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Old 05-05-2010, 07:00 PM   #1
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I was reading the Fall of Gondolin the other day and it describes the heroic defenders amazingly. And Ecthelion and Glorfindel are shown as the greatest of the lords at Gondolin and Turgon's favorite captains. My question is who do you think is greater (both in battle and in spirit). They both did deeds that are remembered in song and both are balrog slayers.
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:06 PM   #2
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I was reading the Fall of Gondolin the other day and it describes the heroic defenders amazingly. And Ecthelion and Glorfindel are shown as the greatest of the lords at Gondolin and Turgon's favorite captains. My question is who do you think is greater (both in battle and in spirit). They both did deeds that are remembered in song and both are balrog slayers.
Well, it's been argued that Glorfindel merited a resurrection and returned to Middle Earth for his deeds.
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:57 PM   #3
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Well, it's been argued that Glorfindel merited a resurrection and returned to Middle Earth for his deeds.
Re-embodiment was not uncommon among Elves. Ecthelion almost certainly enjoyed this service of the Valar as well, although he may have had to wait until the ban on the Noldor's return to Aman was lifted.

It seems to me that the account actually specifies Ecthelion as the greatest warrior of the Noldor, but it has been a very long time since I have read it.

Since you (ecthelion) share my interest in Elf lords, you might be interested in the fact that there was a Galdor who dwelt with Cirdan at the Grey Havens, and there was also a mighty Elf lord named Galdor of the Tree in Gondolin at the time of its fall. At the Council of Elrond, the comment was made that "what power still remains [in Middle-earth] lies [...] in Imladris, or with Cirdan at the Havens, or in Lorien." Clearly Cirdan kept company with other mighty Elves. Galdor of the Tree returned?

I think Tolkien actually quashes this speculation regarding Galdor in his discussion of Glorfindel's identity, but I prefer to think he is wrong.
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Old 05-06-2010, 09:09 PM   #4
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Well, it's been argued that Glorfindel merited a resurrection and returned to Middle Earth for his deeds.
That was more for his selfless death and saving a marquee character who will eventually save the Eldar and Edain, as well as beget other marquee characters. But strictly speaking, Echthelion taking on Gothmog solo was probably a more heavyweight bout.
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:27 AM   #5
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That was more for his selfless death and saving a marquee character who will eventually save the Eldar and Edain, as well as beget other marquee characters. But strictly speaking, Echthelion taking on Gothmog solo was probably a more heavyweight bout.
Have you ever seen the Tom Loback illustration of that fight? I like his Tolkien artwork- it has something of a stained-glass look to it.

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Re-embodiment was not uncommon among Elves. Ecthelion almost certainly enjoyed this service of the Valar as well, although he may have had to wait until the ban on the Noldor's return to Aman was lifted.
Why did Ecthelion have to wait? Wasn't he as valiant and selfless that day as Glorfindel? If I remember correctly, he slew three Balrogs in addition to Gothmog. So he should also be highly qualified for immediate resurrection, like Glorfindel.
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Why did Ecthelion have to wait? Wasn't he as valiant and selfless that day as Glorfindel? If I remember correctly, he slew three Balrogs in addition to Gothmog. So he should also be highly qualified for immediate resurrection, like Glorfindel.
I said he may have had to wait, because Tolkien does not mention Ecthelion's receiving the same treatment.
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:20 PM   #8
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In regard to ecthelion getting out of the halls of mandos around the same time as glorfindel I think is possible, because you have to remember that ecthelion sacrificed himself to save tuor (who was about to get killed by gothmog). So this selfless act I believe would be a good way to get out of mandos sooner than most.
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Old 05-08-2010, 09:50 PM   #9
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Wow. I absolutely love that illustration you posted, Andsigil!
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Wow. I absolutely love that illustration you posted, Andsigil!
Thanks.

Loback has several illustrations at wikipedia under Tolkien-themed subjects:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca..._by_Tom_Loback
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...m+loback&go=Go

You can see more here, at elvish.org
http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/tom_loback.htm
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Thanks.

Loback has several illustrations at wikipedia under Tolkien-themed subjects:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca..._by_Tom_Loback
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...m+loback&go=Go

You can see more here, at elvish.org
http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/tom_loback.htm
Andsigil, thanks for those links. Do you recommend any other sites for Middle Earth illustrations?
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