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Old 08-06-2003, 09:32 PM   #1
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Can anyone here tell me what Gimli says to Haldir in Lothlorien, in the Extended Version? Or maybe it's just a bunch of nonsense...either way I'd like to put the issue to rest with myself! <p>[ August 06, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]
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Old 08-06-2003, 09:47 PM   #2
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We discussed this a while back here, and I think it came to the point that what he said wasn't even Dwarvish language. Someone tried to translate it, but it wouldn't translate. I think only one word could be made from it and it was like "what" or something like that. But it's practically nonsense.
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Old 08-07-2003, 12:52 AM   #3
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It can be made up but it is supposed to mean "I spit upon your grave".<P><A HREF="http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_fotr.htm#ishkhaqwi" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> are Gimli's words in Lorien explained.
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Old 08-07-2003, 11:42 AM   #4
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I think Gimli intended to put a curse on Haldir. Unfortunately it worked.
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Old 08-07-2003, 06:14 PM   #5
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I see, sorry I didn't see that previous discusion . Thanks anyway, now I at least know what he said, guys.<p>[ August 07, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]
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Old 08-07-2003, 08:12 PM   #6
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Sorry O.R.E. - But I think that German translator was talking through his hat, and offers no basis for his rather lame version of Gimli's smart-mouthed remark to Haldir.<P>Here's a thread that I started on the same question - <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001355" TARGET=_blank>Smile when you say that, Gimli!</A> - and there is a link mentioned in it regarding Dwarvish words and word fragments. I have a feeling that the Tolkien linquists hired by P.J. just made up Dwarvish "sounds" based on the Good Professor's notes. <P>Whatever the origin of the phrase, I still think Gimli could have come up with something more dissin' than "I spit on your grave." (Ooooooohhhhhhhh! I'm scared!)
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Whatever the origin of the phrase, I still think Gimli could have come up with something more dissin' than "I spit on your grave." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>In different times there are different traditions and different insults...maybe that "curse" wouldn't be taken so seriously nowadays <p>[ August 08, 2003: Message edited by: dancing spawn of ungoliant ]
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Old 08-08-2003, 10:31 AM   #8
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I agree that he just babbles on about something then says "I sounded so stupid" or something like that. He was just stammering while trying to think of how to ask "just one hair from your golden head." But thats just me.
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Old 08-18-2003, 08:05 PM   #9
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<B>Only Real Estel:</B><P>Isn't there already a thread like this?
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Old 08-19-2003, 01:35 PM   #10
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Arwen Eruantale: There was a thread from a long time ago on this that I didn't see. But Amerantha_Daisy started her's <I>after</I> mine, since I think you were talking about hers .
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Old 08-19-2003, 01:51 PM   #11
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Oh.. Sorry, Only Real Estel. <P>Hey, aren't you technically insulting yourself with that new sig?<P><B>Frodo Lives!</B> <I>Revive the slogan!</I><P><B>EDIT:</B> 101 posts!<p>[ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: Arwen Eruantale ]
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Old 08-19-2003, 02:47 PM   #12
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Hey, aren't you technically insulting yourself with that new sig?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Techinically, yes. But:<BR> *I'm not know for worry about techincalities.<BR> *And I can't afford to let that git in the way including something that made up, & that's not just a quote.<BR> So yeah, I am, but it doesn't make a diference to me! <p>[ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]
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