Support Group for...RETURN OF THE KING!

[Elennar Starfire]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Charred, or toasted? I'm confused... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>A marshmallow Faramir is when you hold it near the flames until about half a second before it catches on fire. If you leave it in a little too long, you can still save it from being a Denethor if you blow it out quickly enough, before it gets really blackened.

[helín anyára]

Wow, Knight of Gondor, looks like there was a considerable need for this support group... Someday when I have a couple *hours* I'll read through the hundreds of posts. <P>You know, this is very bitter-sweet. Only a couple more days until the EE of the Two Towers... only a couple weeks until RotK. It's the last in the trilogy! *sniif* What are we going to look forward to after that? (Besides the EE). I've never gone to a midnight showing for anything before- perhaps this is a worthy cause. I'm deliberately not watching any spoilers or clips, except for the trailor; I want to relish the movie when I see it all for the first time.

[Meela]

I'm utterly falling apart.<P>*collapses in a heap and cries for Denethor*

[Gorwingel]

Meela, why are you falling apart?<P>Remember Denethor is going to be in the Extended Edition that is coming out this Tuesday. You will be fine.<P>Only 31 days, Yay!!! <P>Will find something to look forward to after the movies come out. Don't worry, there is always the probably-will-most-likely-come-out-someday Hobbit movie <p>[ November 16, 2003: Message edited by: Gorwingel ]

[Amarantha_Daisy]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Remember Denethor is going to be in the Extended Edition that is coming out this Tuesday. You will be fine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>*twitch* I didn't even think about that! Tuesday...It's so soon! *bursts into tears anyway*<P>31 days sounds so...not far away! So close, and yet so far away. So it's like...one month from Monday... Bah. 31 days sounds closer. I'll have to tell all my friends now, and bug them about it. Even if they don't care. I'll make them care!<P>*burns marshmallow* Oopps... Oh well, it tastes fine anyway. *wipes charcoal from lips*

[Sapphire_Flame]

*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!* The EV of Towers is out TOMORROW!!! I'm so excited!<P><B>AND ONLY ONE MONTH UNTIL ROTK!!!</B> *squeeeee!*<P>(ps-Enny, I don't really care how much I'm squeeeing, so )<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Knight of Gondor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> (I) act out scenes with my semi-LotR obsessed friend. Today, during lunch, we were acting out the scene where Gandalf races with his glowing staff to save Faramir, and I crashed into a laboratory table, and gave myself a nasty, purplish-black bruise all across my stomach.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That IS obsessed! I just act out the scenes vocally. I’m like Viggo Mortenson or Lawrence Maokore. Once you get in to it, you get TOO in to it, and someone gets hurt!<P>And from what I can tell (*spoiler*), Gandalf doesn’t rescue Faramir...Faramir is dragged back to Minas Tirith on his horse.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Take the RotK trailer, and then mix it with like Rock music, and make sure to time it just right, so that when the song cresecndos (intensifies for percussion illiterates 8D) it gets to the part where the trailer intensifies. Take the song, "Pressing On" by "Relient K". I mixed it with the trailer of TTT, and when Saruman says, "There will be no dawn for men", the wallblows up. I timed it just right so exactly at them moment the singer sings, "I'm pressing ooooooooooon!" and then the song gets loud and crazy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>*Gasp* I didn’t know anyone else in the world could think that any music but Howard Shore could fit with TTT. “Pressing On”?? Augh!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Then I decided to pull a Denethor (because I'm really looking forward to seeing Denny)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Do you eat at Denny’s often?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> and set the thing on fire (it was made of wood so it burned easily) and quickly stuck my hands into the flames and pulled them out, trying to see how long I could keep them in without them burning. Needless to say, the teacher called one of my group members to tell them something, which, of course, distracted me. Thus, I have icky second degree and first degree burns on my hands, which HURT!!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I’m sorry, no personal offense to you, but that was STUPID!! I can’t beGIN to tell you how utterly DUMB that was. Now I’ll bet your hands hurt when you type. And I’ll bet you can’t hold a sword worth beans. It hurts to wrap your grip around a pint of ale, and you can’t bend a bow to save your life! *Shakes head in disgust*<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> On the 16th December I'm having a celebratory 'the-wait-is-over!' bonfire in my garden. I'll be cutting marshmallows into Denethor/Faramir shapes and acting out scenes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Meela, you’ll look silly attending that party all by yourself!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Those soundtrack clips are great!!(I'm listening to them now) I tried to download them earlier, but my computer got all messed up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>*Refuses to listen*<P>By the way, it gives me great pride to announce to you that, beginning twelve days from the release date of RotK that I will introduce The 12 Days of Return of the King! *Silence* Like, the Christmas song? I did some Christmas songs last year that were hits...

[skadork]

Gladness! I can breathe again!<P>Is it just me or is there excessive amounts of self-inflicted burns going on? you know, the time WILL come when you'll get to see the movie...you don't have to burn yourself to death!<P>---------------------------------------------<BR> Take the song, "Pressing On" by "Relient K". I mixed it with the trailer of TTT, and when Saruman says, "There will be no dawn for men", the wallblows up. I timed it just right so exactly at them moment the singer sings, "I'm pressing ooooooooooon!" and then the song gets loud and crazy.<BR>---------------------------------------------<P><BR> WOW! If I may...YAY for Relient K! But now I'm glad knowing that I'm not the only one who does things like that...I tend to be the type of person who knows a song for almost any word a person can say. Another songs to fit in there would be My Evil Plan to Save the World by Five Iron Frenzy. I'm quite done now...I have serious problems with rambling & random-ness.

[Finwe]

Knight, not all of us are as sane as you are!!!! I just happen to be an avid pyromaniac and Denethor fan (although not as Denny-obsessed as Meela) who is also a bit of a masochist (I don't mind injuring myself. In fact, I can't get through the day without injuring myself at least once, and that too in a LotR-related incident). Yes, I am obsessed, and I'm PROUD OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Meela]

Rival! Woohoo! *grrrrr*

[Aethelwine]

*restrains Meela, so she can't attack Finwe* Stop Meela, before you do anything you might regret latter (or not)! I like Denny to! <BR>...<BR>Whoops, I shouldn't have said that, should I?<BR>*backs away slowly, while Meela turns around, growling*<BR> <BR>It's not what you think, Meela! *runs for cover*<P>Yeah, I'll stop now.<P>27 days till ROTK comes out! I'm getting really nervous now...<BR> <BR>What do you all think about *SPOILER* Saruman not being in ROTK? I understand PJ's decision, but I ain't likeing it!! <P>Navaer,<P>Aethelwine.

[Finwe]

No, I don't believe that was a very intelligent thing to say. How about this? I don't <I>like</I> Denethor, I just have a <I>strong admiration</I> for him. <P>PJ has been changing a lot of things, and some of them I definitely do NOT agree with (like *SPOILER* Faramir getting dragged back into Minas Tirith by his horse) but I still trust PJ and I think that he's an excellent director.

[Meela]

More rivals! *grrrr*<P>I love that picture of Faramir being dragged back by his horse. It's rather touching.<P>I think Saruman and Grima should not be left out of Rotk. Fans of the movies who don't know the books may want to know his end and will not see it unless they see the extended version, and we don't yet know if they're in that. It's just confusing, and they could easily have put a small conclusional scene in of their fates.

[Elennar Starfire]

Meela, I don't think anyone else likes Denethor <I>that</I> way! You're the only one weird enough. We just think Denethor's a neat character. <P>*squeeeee* My school library is going to have a LotR trivia game, and they put up a RotK poster! (I squeed and did a happy dance right there in front of everyone when I saw it) I must enter this contest! I wonder what the prizes are? Hmmm...

[Coriel]

wow, its been so very long since i've last been to barrowdowns...<P>i'm really excited of the new movie coming out in december, i can't wait to see it <P>*sets down her famous carrotcake (with creamcheese icing and a picture of the one ring on it) for all to enjoy*

[Sapphire_Flame]

*sigh* The soundtrack comes out next Tuesday! I'm so excited, I can't wait to hear the whole thing! *squeeee!*<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Laitoste]

Man, I don't need a support group now, just be there for me after I see the RotK! I just know that I will walk out of the theater crying! Plus I'll be really mad about the little things that have been changed. Anyway-no more LOTR in theaters! I won't make it!

[Elennar Starfire]

Yum, carrotcake! *eats a piece* <P>Does Denethor have different coloured eyes? It seemed to me he has one blue eye and one green eye, but it might have been the light. Yep, I saw TTT EE! It will help me survive until December 17. Or maybe a little later, I might not be able to see it until December 20. That's the longest I'll have to wait though! Better than TTT, I had to wait a week after it came out!

[Minyataurien]

*takes bits of all food compiled on thread*<BR>ooo... can't wait!<BR>hope PJ did a good job, i'm a little worried. just got to trust he'll hold through. 25 days...too much suspense!!<P>*wonders if Meela will ever find another Denethor fan*

[Meela]

I've met about 4 or 5 other Denethor fans, one fangirl (who I scared into not being a fangirl) and 3 or 4 'admirers'.<P>I'm the only true Denethor addict and fangirl.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

I like Denny too! No, just kidding Meela! <P>I love carrot cake!<P>Ooh, I didn't know about the Faramir and horse bit, that's going to be...um...interesting. I am NOT going to read ROTK before it comes out, because I expect I'll be weeping with frustration or something. That's the good thing about the spoilers. I get to prepare myself. I need to, because I'm only allowed to see this one twice! My mum only wanted me to see it once, but my dad twisted her arm (just like with letting me watch the Rugby World Cup Final instead of going skating)

[Finwe]

I started crying at the end of The Two Towers again last night when I was watching. *sniffle sniffle* I have a really strong feeling that I'll be bawling like a baby after Return of the King is over because: (1) It's going to be an absolutely MAGNIFICENT movie (Almost everyone already thinks it's going to win the Oscar for Best Picture); and (2) It's going to be OVER!!!! No more LotR movies!!!!

[Knight of Gondor]

We are seriously getting down to the wire, folks. Unless I am wrong, the RotK soundtrack is out now?! YES!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> WOW! If I may...YAY for Relient K! But now I'm glad knowing that I'm not the only one who does things like that...I tend to be the type of person who knows a song for almost any word a person can say. Another songs to fit in there would be My Evil Plan to Save the World by Five Iron Frenzy. I'm quite done now...I have serious problems with rambling & random-ness.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Skadork, fear not, you are not alone on this board. And I think you know what I mean. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Knight, not all of us are as sane as you are!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thank goodness you aren’t in the service of the White City like me too! Though it’s rumored that not everyone in the city is sane...say, our Steward? The dude’s been spending a lot of time with some sort of gigantic marble lately....most unhealthy if you ask me.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> What do you all think about *SPOILER* Saruman not being in ROTK? I understand PJ's decision, but I ain't likeing it!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I can sort of understand it. I agreed with leaving all the extended stuff beyond The Stories that Meant Something, because the sweetness of the moment would have died away slightly. I think, if they could do it over, they’d want to put the Saruman stuff in TTT:EE. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> PJ has been changing a lot of things, and some of them I definitely do NOT agree with (like *SPOILER* Faramir getting dragged back into Minas Tirith by his horse) but I still trust PJ and I think that he's an excellent director.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I still give him a lot of credit for LotR. Folks are mad at changes he made, but people just don’t understand you can’t translate the entire book on to the screen. And the Faramir thing actually sounds okay. Instead of riding back after the Nazgûl attack, he’s dragged back, wounded. This probably is also so that we won’t have to follow Faramir’s path on the battlefield.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> *squeeeee* My school library is going to have a LotR trivia game, and they put up a RotK poster! (I squeed and did a happy dance right there in front of everyone when I saw it) I must enter this contest! I wonder what the prizes are? Hmmm... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Why do you people go “squeeee” without an “L”?<P>You really should ask for that poster when the library is done with it, Elennar. I’ve been able to get a fair amount of goodies by asking for them when they’re done. The sneaky, filthy treacherous jerks, they’ll just throw them away otherwise, often times!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> *sets down her famous carrotcake (with creamcheese icing and a picture of the one ring on it) for all to enjoy*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>*Stares dismally at cake* Don’t care for carrot cake.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm only allowed to see this one twice! My mum only wanted me to see it once, but my dad twisted her arm (just like with letting me watch the Rugby World Cup Final instead of going skating)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I know how you feel, Elentári! My parents weren’t thrilled with how IN to LotR I was, and when I wanted to watch FotR: EE instead of White Christmas, it was nearly the end! But thankfully we were still able to go to the theater the NEXT MORNING. That was a close one.<P>I only saw TTT twice, but I saw FotR five times. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I started crying at the end of The Two Towers again last night when I was watching. *sniffle sniffle* I have a really strong feeling that I'll be bawling like a baby after Return of the King is over because: (1) It's going to be an absolutely MAGNIFICENT movie (Almost everyone already thinks it's going to win the Oscar for Best Picture); and (2) It's going to be OVER!!!! No more LotR movies!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>EVERYONE says that this movie will be a tear-jerker. Elijah Wood, Dan Henna, Sala Baker, all sorts of folks.<P>Can’t wait...21 days left! (19 hours, 00 minutes...)

[Gorwingel]

It better be a tear-jerker, I expect it to be (You don't know how much tissue I will be bringing to the theater on the 17). I just need though to try not to expect too much of just one film. I think it will be wonderful though, and it will most definitely win the Best Picture Oscar <P>Only 21 days!

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

I hope it will win best picture...but apparently Cold Mountain is expected to be a contender or something...I dunno. Is that even its name?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Why do you people go “squeeee” without an “L”? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I was thinking that too, Knight!<P>I can't WAIT til this film comes out...I want to see if it will make me cry... Nothing makes me cry... Well nothing since the Lion King anyway...

[Finwe]

There can be no contender for the Best Picture Award, with our beloved Return of the King!!!!!! All other contenders must fall into shadow!!!! And since they're not Maiar, I'm counting on the fact that they won't return. <P>I just can't believe that it's all going to be over on December 17th this year. It seems like after one movie is over, then there is another to look forward to for the next year. But then again, PJ might end up making The Hobbit into a movie, and if he does, then that should come out in a year or two. Ah well, I'm going to console myself by watching previews of "Troy" and waiting for that one to come out. (If the real Paris looked ANYTHING like Orlando Bloom, heck, why wait for him to kidnap me? I'd kidnap HIM!!!! )

[Failivrin]

yes, Cold Mountain is it's name. i saw the trailer the other day and, my darlings, i hate to break it to you, but IT LOOKED AMAZING. i was sitting there breathless by the end of the trailer and it is far more Oscar-y than LOTR. however, i still think ROTK has a chance. i'm hoping they will concentrate on getting the actors nominations again this time- i can't believe Kelley didn't win for FOTR.<P>anyway, more good news, Cold Mountain doesn't really have any contenders for best actor or supposrting actor. it is very strong in the actress category (where LOTR is undoubtedly weak) but the only man who could qualify is Jude Law and i don't think he'll win. so far the only other other contender for actor i can work out is Tom Cruise for The Last Samurai.<P>ah! Troy! i love that shot of all the boats.

[Elennar Starfire]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Why do you people go “squeeee” without an “L”? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Because when you actually squeal, it sounds like "squeeee." <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You really should ask for that poster when the library is done with it, Elennar. I’ve been able to get a fair amount of goodies by asking for them when they’re done. The sneaky, filthy treacherous jerks, they’ll just throw them away otherwise, often times! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thanks for the suggestion, I will do that!<P>How I'm surviving: Obsessively watching every last scrap of extra features on the TTT EE DVD, in order. Took me two days just to get through 'Designing and Building Middle-Earth,' but since I don't have school for a while now, I should be able to get through it all more quickly. Wait a minute, is that a good thing? I'll be done sooner, which means I'll have to find something else to do!

[Sapphire_Flame]

Okay, who has the Soundtrack?!?!?! So awesome, if you don't have it, get it! It's great! (tracks 5 and 11, expecially)<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Amarantha_Daisy]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Okay, who has the Soundtrack?!?!?! So awesome, if you don't have it, get it! It's great! (tracks 5 and 11, expecially) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>*tears* I can't get it! I have to wait to get it for Christmas, because I need to save my money to buy people holiday presents... *sniffle* I've heard a lot of good things about it, though...<P>*grabs some carrot cake* Only 19 days left! That sounds so....Not far away! Oh the torture!

[Elennar Starfire]

Lookie what I brought! Eye of Sauron toast, and Rohirrim rolls!

[Oddwen]

*squeeeeee!* I got my soundtrack and midnight showing tickets yesterday! *enter the HFCD* And my DAD's going, I thought he wasn't! *yay*<BR>ONLY 20 DAYS!

[Knight of Gondor]

17 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes and about 15 seconds by the time I'm done typing and this goes through.<P>I would have thought there would have been an LotR parade float! Why not??<P>I'm so excited to be getting a costume ready! I'm just working with my sister on it, but she's doing all the work. (For more costume discussion, you could check out my costume thread...)<P>How's everyone holding up? I got Oliphant hors d’ourvers...<P>Did anyone see the Aint It Cool news website? They got to see RotK! They didn't spoil it TOO bad...

[Sapphire_Flame]

Sauron toast? Kewl! *grabs a piece*<P>I just got my tickets for opening day! I'm so excited to go see it! Plus, my mom got the fabric and stuff to start my costume. It's gonna be so kewl. <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~<P>EDIT: PS- Oddwen and Elennar, your sigs are so awesome!!! <p>[ 11:42 PM November 28, 2003: Message edited by: Sapphire_Flame ]

[Oddwen]

I started on the mockup for my cloak...at last. <P>I've just been reading a [i] [b]SUPER [i] [b] spoiler filled report. Oh, man! The return of the MOTH!<BR>And Denethor flies. More I will not say. I am stuffing my mouth with hmmff mfmff mff...

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Because when you actually squeal, it sounds like "squeeee." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Oh, when I squeal it comes out like 'eeeee' (Very high pitched, and it scares the heck out of anyone in the same room ).<BR>Read an interesting article debating whether ROTK should win Best Picture or not...basically stocking up on spoilers and reading articles is how I am surviving.<P>The NO Person:<BR>'I've sat through both its dreary predecessors, kept awake only by the deafening volume at which the soundtrack was played...-the ring itself. Has there ever been an object in movie history that has been less worth giving a damn about?...On all levels, <I>The Bored of the Rings</I> falls short...In the Rings battle, it's more "Er who is fighting who again? And remind me what it was all about..."'<P>The YES person:<BR>'[FOTR] was pure magic, a three-hour justification for the existence of cinema...No one had any right to expect the second instalment to better the first, and yet it did, in every department. Where FOTR started with a necessarily long, hobbitish exposition ,TTT hurled us straight back into the most memorable episode of its predecessor (the heroes' encounter with the Balrog fire demon) but from a different perspective, in one of the most heart-stoppingly thrilling openings in cinematic history...TTT in particular perfectly demonstrated not just his [PJ's] extraordinary visual nous, but also his willingness to juggle several plot strands and to credit the audience with the intelligence to follow them.<BR>Of course this is too demanding for some [lol- a blatent dig at the NO guy]. As before, those with a fun-size IQ, a guppy's attention span and the<I>joie de vivre</I> of a JFK customs official will be hopelessly lost by ROTK, bless them...' (And so it goes on).

[The Human Of Our Time]

I think I'm a person who is squealing in delight for this movie. I just recently got and watched the extended edition of Two Towers and I can't wait for Return of the King! I really want to see how Gollum's fate will be presented on screen.<p>[ 1:05 PM November 29, 2003: Message edited by: Sméagol ]

[Meela]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And Denethor flies. More I will not say. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Say more. Now.

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>And Denethor flies. More I will not say. <BR>------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>Say more. Now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ditto. And where did you find these spoilers anyway?<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Elennar Starfire]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> EDIT: PS- Oddwen and Elennar, your sigs are so awesome!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thankies!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> those with a fun-size IQ, a guppy's attention span <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>OOOOHHH! Owch! Point for the YES person! *cheers* I must remember that! (I love good insults!)<P>*runs off to bake Rohirrim cookies*

[elfearz1]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I started on the mockup for my cloak...at last. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>oooh! post pics or PM the pics when you're done

[Oddwen]

It's more like he sails, actually. Aflame. I also really think that Meela will be somewhat disposed to violence towards Gandalf as well. <P>I found them at tolkienonline.com, but I think it's been taken down.<P>I'll have to see about pics, Elfearz. Cameras are not kind to me. I think it's a conspiracy.

[mollecon]

Tomorrow folks - I'm gonna reserve tickets for the midnight premiere of RotK on the night between the 16th & 17th.. .

[pandora]

RotK will be out here soon and I will not be seeing it. The first two movies were such a crushing disappointment that I simply won't part with any more money to support Jackson's awful version of the characters and story.<P>The films have worked well, very well, as a set of images (with the exception of the casting of Boromir and Aragorn) but the script has been truely pathetic.<P>Return of the King, if the stories are ture, will be another display of Jackson's ignorance of JRRT's meaning as well as his talentlessness as a movie maker.<P>Having read the scene of Gandalf dismissing Saruman last night I can say that any adaptation of Lord of the Rings that does not contain this scene is not actually an adaptation of the book at all. Given the constraints of adapting a book for a movie I could live, reluctantly, without the Scouring of the Shire but the downfall of Saruman is simply a basic element of the book and particularly of the character development of the book. <P>But then, Frodo's biggest development point in the first book was sacrificed at the alter of Jackson's ignorance: we finally see what it is in him that Gandalf sees when he defies the Nazgul alone and unaided. Except that in the film he is rescued instead. Later, instead of taking the burden on himself and leaving the Fellowship he asks Aragorn's advice. Over and over again Jackson has betrayed the central themes and characters of the book for no great purpose. <P>His additions have never improved anything and his choices as a director have been third-rate.<P>The loss of the final part of the story: the Scouring of the Shire shows how little ability Jackson has as a movie-maker, especially when combined with the loss of Saruman's excommunication. Audiences love a good bit of fore-shadowing. Done right, it can really lift people's enjoyment of a film as the events alluded to earlier are finally revealed and explained. In the LotR the best example of this is when Sam sees the damaged shire in the mirror (it's also a subtle characterisation point that Sam continues on dispite this vision, but Jackson's not interested in characterisation). By dropping this, at least partly in favour of the appalling Saurman/Gandalf breakdancing competition, Jackon managed in one fell swoop to undermine the characters, the story, the meaning, and the dramatic tension of the story.<P>The second film had about 10 minutes worth of material that worked, basically the Ents. Everything else was a good slide-show but fell apart as soon as the action started. From the laughable wargs to the dire "Aragon's dead! No, wait a minute-there he is" sub-"plot", to the sudden appearance of the Olympic Torch runner, to the ludicrous charge of the Rohirrim down that huge hill - nay, cliff - onto the waiting pikes of the orcs it was a fiasco.<P>So, no Return of the King for me, thanks. Twice bitten, thrice shy (I'm a slow learner)!

[Meela]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It's more like he sails, actually. Aflame. I also really think that Meela will be somewhat disposed to violence towards Gandalf as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He sails?? <P>*slaps Gandalf round the face*<P>By sails... do you mean he gets knocked across the room? Or does he sort of leap onto the pyre in a flying sort of way? Or is it at a completely different moment?<BR>I'm intrigued! If it's a major spoiler for everyone, could you PM it to me? I really have to have all the details now...

[Aethelwine]

*Laughs* Dear <B>Meela</B>, you never seize to amaze me! <BR>Now I want to know to!<P>*off-topic* BTW Meela, which Denny do you like most? Book or movie?<P>Well <B>pandora</B>, I'm sorry you feel this way. But ofcourse, we're all entitled to our own opinions. So I'm not trying to talk you into going, I wouldn't want to! But I have to say, seeing as how complex the books are, I think PJ did a great job. <BR>But I'm curious, what do think is wrong with the casting of Aragorn and Boromir? In my opinion they were excellent. But I would like to hear your view. <P>Right, I just have to say one ting: <B>It's the final countdown!!!</B>Just 16 days, and then...<BR>I'm going to need you all, I'm getting so nervous... I don't know what to feel! <P>Cheers!<P>Aethelwine.

[Elennar Starfire]

Hi all, I'm back, and I brought those cookies I promised! *puts down tray of Rohirrim cookies* And since cookies are best with milk, I brought that too!<P>I fell over today when I realized that RotK comes out in only 16 days. I guess it never really clicked in my mind just how close it was until now. I knew, but didn't really react. Now, I am in danger of falling over again at any moment. Except when I'm sitting down at my computer, because I'm too busy typing to fall over. <P>I am quite curious as to Denethor flying, but I want to wait until I see the movie. Please tell everyone who wants to know through PMs.

[Meela]

Book or movie Denethor? Both suit me just fine! I think I actually fell in love with him when I read about him (I was reading all I could find about Faramir, and stumbled across him). Then I saw a picture of the film character and that confirmed my affections.<BR>Thinking about it, I think I'm more attracted to film Denethor.

[pandora]

Casting wise I thought Aragorn and Boromir were the wrong way around: Sean Bean just looks like a Ranger to me. Plus, he has a lot more charisma; in the scenes he shares with Figgy Madeupname I fond myself forgetting that Aragorn is supposed to be the OTHER guy; in fact I found myself forgetting the other guy was there at all! Vigorous Mortislock, or whatever his name is, just looks expendable to me; all he needs is the red jersey.<P>The only other casting issue I had was Sam who seems slightly too spritely to me but he grew on me, unlike the script. It's a moot point now but I wondered if Woods could carry off the "I have come" bit at the end. Ian Holm was just fantastic at that bit and it still sends shivers up my spine when I think about. Woods is perfect for the Frodo that leaves the Shire but I'm not so sure he can do the Frodo that arrives at the Crack of Doom.<P>Talking of Ian Holm, I wonder if Michael Horden would have made a good film Gandalf if he had played the part. When I read the book it's his voice I hear for Gandalf but I think McKellen looks the part better. Plus, of course, McKellen is still alive which makes makeup cheaper (but a higher fee, so maybe it balances out).

[Knight of Gondor]

Meela, I finally finished TTT:EE. That sure seemed like a lot of Denethor to me! Didn't it sate your thirst for Denny, at least for now? <P>Pandora, I can sort of see where you are coming from, but I urge you to 1) be careful bad-mouthing the movie here in the support group that we are all having looking forward to the movie and 2) try not to be so harsh on Peter Jackson. Yeah, some of the things he did weren't the best decisions. But I think if you give the guy half a chance, you'll find he had the utmost appreciation for the movie. There are a lot of little details you never see in the movie that prove how much Peter loved the stories.<P>Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, and if you still don't like it, I feel sorry for you. I personally think it is one of the best movies I've ever seen, much less the best adaptation of LotR the world has ever seen. Let me ask you this, then. How would YOU have done better? And not just with casting. Everyone has their own ideas about who should have played whom, I'm talking policy, location, props, plot, etc.?

[pandora]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Pandora, I can sort of see where you are coming from, but I urge you to 1) be careful bad-mouthing the movie here in the support group that we are all having looking forward to the movie <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, I know. It just been such a total let-down for me; I was so looking forward to the project before I saw FotR. I get wound up when people are almost literally jumping up and down in excitement about the final installment and then I have to vent!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> 2) try not to be so harsh on Peter Jackson. Yeah, some of the things he did weren't the best decisions. But I think if you give the guy half a chance, you'll find he had the utmost appreciation for the movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I gave him 2/3rd of a chance. The first film was basically just Bakshi's version re-filmed (including several lines of dialog, an entire scene and a "prologue" all copied from the earlier film but not in the book) so I thought I'd give him a second chance with material that Bakshi hadn't covered in TTT. Alas, without a real fan's work to copy all we got was Jackson's mistakes.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> There are a lot of little details you never see in the movie that prove how much Peter loved the stories.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I would have liked to have seen them!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I personally think it is one of the best movies I've ever seen, much less the best adaptation of LotR the world has ever seen. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I think Bakshi did a better job of Fellowship in an hour than Jackson did in 3+. The scene with Frodo, Bilbo, and the Ring stands out as a point where Jackson showed his amateurishness: the Bakshi version is a strong, moving scene of pathos, Jackson's is a silly, badly done cheap shock. Again, Bakshi's battle at Weathertop is actually quite atmospheric and spooky while Jackson's is the Keystone Kops in cloaks (or Kloaks). <P>Basically, dispite being a total mess and a let down, Bakshi's version of the Fellowship is better than Jacksons in almost every scene as regards script and, especially, direction.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How would YOU have done better? And not just with casting. Everyone has their own ideas about who should have played whom, I'm talking policy, location, props, plot, etc.? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'd have changed the director. Simple as that. The cinematography, set and costume design, the vast majority of the casting and acting, and locations were superb. Un-beatable I think.<P>The only problem is the director and his total lack of sympathy or understanding for the story's meaning and the characters' development. We don't need Bilbo's bug eyes, Frodo being rescued, Gandalf hiding behind doors in storms and scaring Frodo into an early grave, badly designed wargs, even MORE false deaths, breakdancing wizards with continuity errors, dwarf-tossing jokes, suicidal Elronds, Sauron playing golf, skateboarding elves, horses charging pikes down cliffs, extra bonus orc characters, people being rescued by balrogs, ninja hobbit fighting machines and all the rest of it.<P>Just film the books. Adapt where the medium, budget and time require, but just film the books. Right? Don't try to add things because you ain't no Tolkein.<P>You did ask!<P>But the visuals ARE still terrific.<p>[ 11:52 AM December 01, 2003: Message edited by: pandora ]

[Lord Melkor]

Well Meelam since you really want to know I'll tell you what happens to Denethor. <P>*WARNING, HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD, PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK*<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<P>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<P>.<BR>.<BR>.<P>.<BR>.<BR>.<P>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<BR>.<P>1. When Denethor is on fire he runs around, through the courtyard with the White Tree and finally hurls himself from the tower to a grissly death while he's still burning.<P>2. When the attack on Minas Tirith begins Denethor starts going crazy until Gandalf knocks him out and takes charge of things.<P>At least that's what I read at tolkienonline.com from a guy who claims he saw the movie as a preview.<P>[ 1:41 PM December 01, 2003: Message edited by: Lord Melkor ]<p>[ 1:42 PM December 01, 2003: Message edited by: Lord Melkor ]

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The first film was basically just Bakshi's version re-filmed<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>*raises an eyebrow* Excuse me? My dear, I've seen the Bakshi version, and these are nothing like the Bakshi version. When PJ brings something up (i.e. Narsil), he follows it up with explanation as to why it is important later, instead of just letting it hang. And, if you didn't notice, PJ actually finished making the movies. Or couldn't you tell that the Bakshi one stopped halfway through?<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR> There are a lot of little details you never see in the movie that prove how much Peter loved the stories.<BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>I would have liked to have seen them!<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You evidently aren't paying enough attention. *Note: I hate to be supporting this scene, but here it goes.* Remember those rather ill-placed scenes of Arwen in Rivendell? Much of that dialogue, especially on Elrond's part, was directly from the Appendicies in RotK. If you've actually read the Books thoroughly, including the Appendicies, you can find many interesting references to other parts of the story, and even to passages in Silm and UT.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think Bakshi did a better job of Fellowship in an hour than Jackson did in 3+.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>... Just what is going on in your little mind? The Bakshi version is awful. Okay, it gets points for being amusing, but still; it left out so many parts of the story, some of which PJ left in, I might add, and some of the changes were absolutely horrendous. Like how they evidently didn't think that the actual story would hold people's attention, and so added superfluous special effects and background paintings, which were more annoying than mood-setting.<P>I think you need to give PJ a little more credit. It would be incredibly hard to film the Books exactly; and PJ did the best he could. Sure, some of his alterations weren't the best, but he did what he thought would appeal to the audience. I'll admit, I'm annoyed about a few of the changes myself, such as the removal of the Scouring from the next movie, but I do acknowledge that it takes a lot of work to bring such a deep and complex work of literature to the screen, and so some allowance should be given. Some of the changes were, in fact, just pieces that were exposition in the novel, and exposition is incredibly hard to transfer to film, not only in making it sound correct, but in holding the audience's attention.<P>I personally think PJ could have done a better job on some parts than he did. But I also think he did some scenes brilliantly, and that he really did stay true to the feel of Tolkien.<P>You can cry and moan about it all you want, <B>pandora</B>, just don't do it here. This thread is for people who enjoy the Movies, not those who hate them.<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[pandora]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Excuse me? My dear, I've seen the Bakshi version, and these are nothing like the Bakshi version. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>THESE aren't, the first one is. The scene in Bree with the Nazgul and the beds is a direct lift from Bakshi despite not being in the book, the opening is another direct lift which Bakshi needed because of the failure to get the film finished, and various parts of Sam's dialog are lifted from the animated version. <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Or couldn't you tell that the Bakshi one stopped halfway through? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I spotted that in the cinema. The audience was non-plussed to say the least!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Remember those rather ill-placed scenes of Arwen in Rivendell? Much of that dialogue, especially on Elrond's part, was directly from the Appendicies in RotK. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>PJ's version of Elrond gives me more trouble than Arwen (apart from the Ford).<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Bakshi version is awful.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, it was. I think it was better, but still awful apart from the voice-acting which was very good.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Like how they evidently didn't think that the actual story would hold people's attention, and so added superfluous special effects and background paintings, which were more annoying than mood-setting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Again, I generally agree, although the special effects did a much better job of conveying a mystical struggle between Saurman and Gandalf than the version in PJ, which must rank as one of the worst scenes in any film ever made.<P>Another place where Bakshi's mess managed to come together was the nazgul. There the strange backgrounds worked well for evoking their desolate world.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Sure, some of his alterations weren't the best, but he did what he thought would appeal to the audience.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Where PJ sticks to the book he succeeds and succeeds well. Where he diverges he fails every time. As you say, exposition and long speeches are never going to make it into a film version that has a chance of getting funding but there's still no need for the balrog sequence to have been so long and then slaughter Lorien to get it squeezed in at the end of the film. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You can cry and moan about it all you want, pandora, just don't do it here. This thread is for people who enjoy the Movies, not those who hate them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Fair enough. Just pointing at the Emperor's clothes.

[Jjudvven]

I found the parts that I liked the most from the movies so far were the parts that were done straight from the book. I'm hoping the third installment of the Trilogy will have more moments like that from the book. I find myself looking forward to it, no matter what doubts I have about it. Although I am extremely annoyed about PJ leaving out the scouring of the Shire. I heard that there is much less with elf-girl Arwen, which is a great relief to me.

[Meela]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Meela, I finally finished TTT:EE. That sure seemed like a lot of Denethor to me! Didn't it sate your thirst for Denny, at least for now? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No. I need more. Now. <I>Now</I>, I say!

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The scene in Bree with the Nazgul and the beds is a direct lift from Bakshi despite not being in the book,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just because Tolkien didn't describe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen in the Books. I thought the scene was well-placed, and a chance to get in a bit of exposition without sounding silly.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>the opening is another direct lift which Bakshi needed because of the failure to get the film finished,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What Tolkien-based film <I>wouldn't</I> need a prologue? Even the Books have one.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>and various parts of Sam's dialog are lifted from the animated version.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Such as what? All the bits I noticed as coinciding happened to come from the Books as well.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>PJ's version of Elrond gives me more trouble than Arwen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Fair enough. I actually find them equally irritating, and so skip most of the scenes involving them. One thing I found particularly annoying about Fellowship was Arwen's usurping of Glorfindel's part. A mistake shared by the Bakshi version I might add, with Glorfindel being preempted by Legolas.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Again, I generally agree, although the special effects did a much better job of conveying a mystical struggle between Saurman and Gandalf than the version in PJ, which must rank as one of the worst scenes in any film ever made.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I actually thought PJ's version was rather amusing... I just think it's rather stupid of the Bakshi artists to think that if something is <B>magic</B> it has to be <B>bright</B> and <B>sparkly</B>.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Another place where Bakshi's mess managed to come together was the nazgul.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm always inclined to laugh at the Nazgul. They act like escapees from a leper colony.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Where PJ sticks to the book he succeeds and succeeds well. Where he diverges he fails every time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It's really hard to argue with that, so I won't. I'll just say that for some people, the changes are less appalling than they are to others. Like, I really can't handle the whole warg attack and "death" of Aragorn, and some people thought the scene was well done and enjoyed it. It depends on the person, and how much of a purist they are. <P>Oh, and to those interested, <A HREF="http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/bakshi/bakshi.htm" TARGET=_blank>*here*</A> is an interesting look at Bakshi's LotR. Good for a laugh. <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[pandora]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Just because Tolkien didn't describe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen in the Books. I thought the scene was well-placed, and a chance to get in a bit of exposition without sounding silly. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh, yes: it's a good scene but the fact is that the Jackson was a straight copy; given that a certain amount of scorn was poured on earlier attempts (and can you think of another?) this seemed a bit dishonest.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> What Tolkien-based film wouldn't need a prologue?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't think it needs a prologue and I don't find the one in the Book particularly good (nor did JRRT for that matter). Without the one in the films the story regains its brilliant musical flow from the light, carefree world of the hobbits gradually through more and more moments of discord to the dark, deep, brassy notes of the mountains of Mordor (in the book even the vocabulary changes from the start to the end; the words themselves get heavier as Frodo struggles with the ring). The prologue just confuses this and all the material in it that was needed could have been in Elrond's flashback.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Such as what? All the bits I noticed as coinciding happened to come from the Books as well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'd have to re-watch both versions now. I did notice a few lines when FotR came out and I did check them but that was quite a while ago now.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> One thing I found particularly annoying about Fellowship was Arwen's usurping of Glorfindel's part. A mistake shared by the Bakshi version I might add, with Glorfindel being preempted by Legolas.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, that's fim adaptations for you: characters get compressed into each other. The real flaw was undermining Frodo's bravery by not allowing him to face down the nazgul alone.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I just think it's rather stupid of the Bakshi artists to think that if something is magic it has to be bright and sparkly. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Maybe but at least it was a subtle evokation of struggling wills, not "I'm a great wizard; eat knuckles you old fool".<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I'm always inclined to laugh at the Nazgul. They act like escapees from a leper colony. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>As opposed to PJ's highly inflammable clowns? <P>"'Ere, Gothmog. Fancy a smoke?"<BR>"Yeah, thanks, Khamul."<BR>*WOOF*<BR>"Ah ah ah ah ah"<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Oh, and to those interested, *here* is an interesting look at Bakshi's LotR. Good for a laugh <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I found that a few years ago; it's very good. But Bakshi still did a better job. Especially given his circumstances.

[Sapphire_Flame]

Uh-huh, yeah, whatever. If you have such a thing against PJ's movies, what are you even doing here? Just drop it and go away; let those who appreciate the films do so in peace.<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[mollecon]

Got my tickets for the midnight premiere!

[The Saucepan Man]

<B>Pandora</B>, I largely disagree with you on the question of the merits of the LotR films as adaptations of Tolkien's works. I am not going to take issue with the many points that you raise, for I have expressed my views on numerous occasions elsewhere in this forum. In the final analysis, these types of issue come down to personal taste.<P>But there are two points on which I feel that your comments have gone beyond the scope of personal opinion.<P>First:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> ... how little ability Jackson has as a movie-maker <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Jackson has brought to the screen a literary masterpiece which has traditionally been regarded as unfilmable. And, in doing so, he has made films which have brought great acclaim, amongst both film critics and his peers in the industry. They are also films which have been incredibly successful at the box office. Millions upon millions of people have been to see them, the vast majority of whom have enjoyed them immensely. The first two films have won numerous awards, and both RotK and Jackson himself are now in with a reasonable chance of winning Oscars. Surely, by no stretch of the imagination, can Jackson be regarded as a film-maker with little ability, whatever your personal opinion of these films might be.<P>Secondly:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Just pointing at the Emperor's clothes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>By this comment, you are implying that those of us here who enjoy the films only do so because we are "going along with the crowd". On the contrary, however, the vast majority, if not all, of those who post here are perfectly capable of making up their own minds about these films, and do not need to rely upon others to help them form their views. I therefore find this comment rather surprising, particularly on a thread devoted to those who are looking forward with great anticipation to the final instalment of this trilogy of films.

[Sapphire_Flame]

Hear hear, Saucepan! <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Finwe]

Sure, pandora, Bakshi did a much better job. At least PJ's Balrog didn't wear fluffy black bedroom slippers! Give him some credit for his efforts.

[mollecon]

Thx, Saucepanman

[pandora]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> At least PJ's Balrog didn't wear fluffy black bedroom slippers! Give him some credit for his efforts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But his Balrog didn't save the Fellowship from certain death. Once again Jackson's technical achievements (the visuals) beat Bakshi hands down while Bakshi's direction and understanding of the story is superior.<P>That's my last word on this thread; it is the wrong place for it and I'm sorry my venting get the better of me. My cat was killed today and it has reminded me that there are more important things than raining on someone's parade, regardless of how strongly I feel about it.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Aww, commiserations for your poor cat.<P>I personally found the Bakshi version intolerable. I couldn't sit through more than 15 minutes of it at a time...I still haven't got all the way through. And I don't bore easily.<P>Anyway....we're getting there! Two weeks!!! Does anyone know when the London premiere is?! (Doubt I'll be able to go to stand and scream, but I'd like to know when it is at least). I thought it was on the 11th, only the Berlin one is on the 10th...

[Sapphire_Flame]

Ah, good, the thread can get back to normal...<P>I'm so excited! Only two weeks left! I was listening to the soundtrack at school all day today. *sigh* Prettyful music... And my mom is starting on my costume too! It's gonna be so great! *squeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!*<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Orominuialwen]

I seem to have missed a whole lot here!! Anyway, I'd like to comment on some of the stuff pandora has said. But first, pandora, if you do come back here, I believe I may have met you, or someone a whole lot like you in real life. Would you happen to know who Herman is and what color he is? (if that made no sense, then just ignore me ) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> the script has been truely pathetic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Personally, I loved the script. Certain parts of it, especially Aragorn's speech in the RotK trailer, remind me immensly of<I>The Charge of the Light Brigade</I>, which is one of my favorite pieces of poetry. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> We don't need Bilbo's bug eyes, Frodo being rescued, Gandalf hiding behind doors in storms and scaring Frodo into an early grave, badly designed wargs, even MORE false deaths, breakdancing wizards with continuity errors, dwarf-tossing jokes, suicidal Elronds, Sauron playing golf, skateboarding elves, horses charging pikes down cliffs, extra bonus orc characters, people being rescued by balrogs, ninja hobbit fighting machines and all the rest of it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Huh???<P><BR>Anyway, if you think PJ version of LotR is bad, you haven't seen a whole lot of the movies that are out there. The vast majority of stuff is utter drivel. In my opinion, LotR is the best movie I've seen in my entire life, and I seriously doubt that anything that even comes close will <B>ever</B> be made. There, I'm done with my ranting. And I'm very sorry about your cat. <P>On a new topic, there was a brief 45 sec. thing on LotR tonight, and there is supposed to be a big special on it tomorrow!!! I <I>finally</I> saw TTT:EE on Saturday!! *squeeeeeee* 'Twas wonderful! Hmmm, lets see. Oh, I saw a guy at my school walking down the hall with the word squee written on the back of his shirt. I tried to follow him, but I only succeeded in losing him in the crowd and making myself late for algebra. My dad is going to get me the soudtrack, but he said the store didn't have it. He doesn't seem to realize how imporant it is to me!! Also, he keeps putting off getting tickets for the 17th, <B>WHEN IT'S ONLY 2 WEEKS OFF!!!</B>I really <I>really</I>don't want it to be sold out like the trilogy was. My best guy friend says he wants to go see RotK with my brother and me on the 17th, but he says if we wear costumes, he'll sit on the other side of the theater (I'm pretty sure he's only joking, though ) I'm gonna wear my halloween costume that wasn't ready in time for Halloween -- Éowyn's white dress. My little brother's going in his Frodo costume- he looks uncannily like Elijah Wood. I'll try to post a picture afterwards if my mom will allow it, although she may not. If I do have a picture, it wil go <A HREF="http://breeunderbreehill.com/barrow_downs_members.htm" TARGET=_blank>here</A>.<P>Namarië one and all!<P>EDIT: Wow, this must be one of my longest posts!!!<p>[ 8:21 PM December 03, 2003: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ]

[Elennar Starfire]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The first film was basically just Bakshi's version re-filmed <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I noticed that some things were very similar, indeed, almost identical, but there was also much that was different.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The only problem is the director and his total lack of sympathy or understanding for the story's meaning and the characters' development. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Why are directors always blamed for the mistakes in movies? People need to learn the difference between script writers and directors. Directors only decide how to film the scenes that are written in the script. With a bad script, the movie will be bad no matter how good the director is. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> suicidal Elronds, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Erm, how exactly is Elrond suicidal?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> One thing I found particularly annoying about Fellowship was Arwen's usurping of Glorfindel's part. A mistake shared by the Bakshi version I might add, with Glorfindel being preempted by Legolas.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think that Arwen taking over Glorfindel's role was a bit better than Legolas, because Arwen at least lives in Rivendell.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Ah, good, the thread can get back to normal... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sorry!

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think that Arwen taking over Glorfindel's role was a bit better than Legolas, because Arwen at least lives in Rivendell.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah. I thought that made more sense as well! <P>*squeeeee!* Only 13 days left! And then there's that big special on tonight; I can't wait to see it!!! *skips around in hyper-insane-excitedness*<P>Oh, and I brought entdraught! Have some, it's really good. <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Meela]

*glugs some entdraught and grows 30 feet tall*<P>I got a ticket for Rotk today!! I'm seeing it on the 17th! So soon... *squees and faints at the thought of seeing Denethor so soon*

[Finwe]

I still can't believe that RotK is only two weeks away! And I'm still in denial that it's all going to be over in those two weeks. *sniffle sniffle*

[Mariska Greenleaf]

I haven't joined this support group so far...<BR>I've been waiting for rotk all by myself, and guess what? I bought my ticket yesterday, I'm going the 16th for a nine hour journey through Middle Earth... all by myself...sad isn't it?

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

It is rather, but hey it's worth it!!! I'm really annoyed because the cinema we were planning to go to see ROTK in, which is like 5 mins legging it from my school, IS PLANNING TO HAVE AN INTERVAL!!!! That is gonna break up the continuity soooo much!!! Grrrr...

[Ainaserkewen]

Sorry to interupt any current conversation, but:<BR>Fairly local channel had a prime-time show on last night on the making of ROTK. Most of the stuff I already knew from the books and here, but they had live actor interviews, they followed actors around on their daily erands and everything. It was good fun.<P>They talked a bit with the kiwi's playing orcs. They had a very fake looking battle scene with blue screen, after all the chaos someone yelled out "30 minute lunch" and they showed how orcs eat lunch. Some of them didn't ever take off their masks, but shoved food into their mouths. They showed one orc singing and playing "Sunshine lolipops and rainbows" on his sword(most amusing) and then they followed Viggo on a secret errand to get something from a convinience store IN HIS COSTUME! The clerk laughed. They were at a hobbit(including gollum) actor's party. They talked to Sean A. and how he had to put on 40 pounds for the role. Andy Serkis told how he modeled his gollum voice after his cat. Funny Part: They interviewed Orlando and he explained how his character was the quiet guy and always had some facial expression to share. He did a few and looked rediculous because he wasn't in his wig. <P>They mostly had footage from the first and second movies, but some ROTK stuff did get in. Like pippin with Gandalf in Minas Tirith. Plus at the end of the show, they showed a short scene of Arwen talking to Elrond. He takes her hand and says "Your hands are cold, the gifts of the Eldar are leaving you." and then she says something about her choice and stuff, "There is no ship now that would bare me hence." she said. I guess the scene is a spoiler for those of the audience who don't know what will happen. Didn't bug me too much though. All around, it was a good show. They interviewed everyone, but mostly PJ and Sir Ian Mckellen, who had alot to say about his twinkling eyes.

[Sapphire_Flame]

I saw that too, Aina! It was so great, I loved how they followed the actors around to see what they did during a "normal" day.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Like pippin with Gandalf in Minas Tirith.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>*squeeeeeee!* I had a serious fangirl moment when I saw that bit. *sigh* Oh Pippin... <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Enorëiel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Fairly local channel had a prime-time show on last night on the making of ROTK. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Gah!!! I thought that was on tonight!! I was all set and ready to watch it! Dang it! Is there any chance they might show it again? A friend of my watched the end and said it was really good *glares evily at friend*, and here I am the 'obsessed' one and I missed! Save me from insanity! Please say it's coming on again!

[vanaelda]

Omg omg omg!!! GUYS GUYS GUYS!!! It comes out in like less than two weeks. I have been looking at New Line's website and they have a bunch of cool little movies that you can watch on RotK to tide you over if you want. Just thought I would give you the DL! Fozzshizzle!!!!! lol j/k!!<BR>I can't wait!!!!!!!! Have fun and enjoy the site!!!! I did it was great!!!<BR>

[Orominuialwen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Fairly local channel had a prime-time show on last night on the making of ROTK. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I believe they showed that (or something similar) where I am, but I couldn't watch because I had to go to a meeting for my robotics club, and my mom forgot to tape it. Aaaarrrrggghhhh!!! She says maybe we can find it on the web though (I hope, I hope, I hope). My dad <I>still</I>won't get our tickets for the 17th yet, and I'm starting to get very worried. I just went and bugged him about it though, so maybe he'll <B>finally</B> go get them! *has nightmares about all the theaters being sold out*

[Knight of Gondor]

I taped it, but missed the first three minutes of it, and the reception is slightly fuzzy. You'd have to shell out major bucks before I could make copies to send to everyone. But don't sweat it, it'll prob. be on the RotK DVD!

[Enorëiel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But don't sweat it, it'll prob. be on the RotK DVD!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>ROTK DVD?! That doesn't come out 'til next year! I wants to see it now! <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I can't WAIT til this film comes out...I want to see if it will make me cry... Nothing makes me cry... Well nothing since the Lion King anyway... <BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ha! Me too! I have a feeling that I will for sure cry at the end of the movie though. I almost cried while listening to the soundtrack (which says a lot!) and from what I keep hearing from others - it's going to be a major tearjerker.

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I was all set and ready to watch it! Dang it! Is there any chance they might show it again?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It's showing anytime of the day at my house! I taped it (smart me). It's v. v. kewl...<P>*sigh* Less than two weeks! I can hardly stand the suspense!!!<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Meela]

I watched the preview earlier. I've begun to cry when Faramir goes on his 'suicide mission' to Osgiliath. And I always cry at Into the West, from the soundtrack. I didn't cry at Fotr, and I almost cried at TTT. This time I will be crying.<P>The weird thing about Faramir is that as I grow more and more obsessed with Denethor, the more I feel like I want to see Faramir die (in a sort of "look at him burn! Pretty flame!" way). You love Denethor, therefore you think like Denethor.

[Laitoste]

I watched the Primetime show too. I taped it and plan to watch it over...and over...and over...and over...and over...and over...etc. My dad loved the part with the orc singing. It was hilarious . It made me rethink my opinions of TTT. I have decided that, while some of the changes were a bad idea, that the movie is still excellent and that I shouldn't expect it to be just like the book (You should've seen my ranting after I came out of the theater last December!).<P>11 days left. But I can't go right away!! I have to wait until around Christmas to go, because my parents don't want me to go on a school day, and I can't go that weekend because of a christmas party at my grandma's. AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[Catherine]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I watched the Primetime show too. I taped it and plan to watch it over...and over...and over...and over...and over...and over...etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Same with me!! I cant believe its only 11 more days!! I am so excited!!!

[Sapphire_Flame]

WE'RE IN SINGLE DIGITS!!!!!!!!! Only *<B><I>9</I></B>* days left!!!<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Catherine]

AHHHH 9 days!!!!! I cant believe it I am so excited! I am seeing it the first day it opens!!!!!!!!!! But its sad cuz its the last one!

[Finwe]

I can't take this any more! It is pure torture just waiting for RotK to come out! I'm practically salivating in anticipation. The horrible part is, one of my friends already has the finished DVD. His uncle was on the editing team, and thus, my friend received full copies of the extended versions of all three films, and *sniff sniff* won't let me see them!!!!!! Even though I have a 12 x 10 ft. projector! That should be incentive enough!

[Elennar Starfire]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> WE'RE IN SINGLE DIGITS!!!!!!!!! Only *9* days left!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sapphire, I nearly fell over when I read that, and just barely managed to avoid squeaking. I still can't breathe properly. <P>I NEED TISSUES!!!! I don't have nearly enough yet! I shall most likely flood the theatre.

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I still can't breathe properly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Me neither! Have you seen the clips that were linked to in the forum? So kewl! *squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!*<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[beebombadil]

re: The horrible part is, one of my friends already has the finished DVD. His uncle was on the editing team, and thus, my friend received full copies of the extended versions of all three films, and *sniff sniff* won't let me see them!!!!!! <P>Doubtful. Very doubtful. Your friend may have a rough cut of the theatre version but I promise you, he doesn't have the extended cut. Trust me. There's a reason he is not letting you see it.

[Catherine]

8 DAYS!!! HOORAY!!!! I cant wait....i am sooo ready! This past week I have been in such a good mood!

[Knight of Gondor]

Back by popular demand....it’s.....THE TWELVE DAYS OF CHRISTMAS, Return of the King style!<P>On the first day of waiting, an Elf-lord gave to me....A King come to set the world free.<P>On the second day of waiting, an elf-lord gave to me: Two midnight viewings and a king come to set the world free.<P>On the third day of waiting, an elf-lord gave to me: Three dormant elf-rings, two midnight viewings, and a king come to set the world free!<P>More to come as the days grow thin...<P>God bless!

[Mattius]

On the Forth day of Waiting an elf-lord gave to me: four hobbits striving, three dormant elf-rings, two midnight viewings, and a king come to set the world free!

[Sapphire_Flame]

*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*<P>Sorry to interrupt the song, but I just saw the coolest clip of RotK!!! Go <A HREF="http://www.memoirsoftheshire.com/musiclinks.htm" TARGET=_blank>HERE</A>, and click on "Pippin Video". It's so amazing!!! I am having a serious fangirl episode here! It's so great, but really sad! Poor Pippin!<P><B><I>I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE!!! ONLY A WEEK LEFT!!!</I></B><P>Abedithon le,<P>Aranel, the Obvious Pippin Fancier

[Mattius]

Man that site kicks *** !

[Enorëiel]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!<BR>That was so freaking cool!!! That Pippin clip was awesome!!!! *squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!*<BR>I only wish my stupid speakers were working!!! But from what I saw - ah! Amazing!!!

[Finwe]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! <P>I CANNOT take this any more!!!! I need the movie!

[Orominuialwen]

Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! I have either the flu or an extremely nassssty cold, so unless I'm better in a week or less, I might not get to see RotK on the 17th. And my dad STILL won't get tickets yet- aaaarrrrggggghhhhh!!!!! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Nothing makes me cry... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No so for me. I am one of those pathetic people who cries too much. I even cry at movies I have to watch in school. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> click on "Pippin Video". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I couldn't find anything there that said Pippin Video. But it could just be my computer rebelling against me.<P>Only 1 more week left! squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! I must go now, because my mom's making me go to bed, even though it's only 9 pm where I am, because I'm so sick.

[Knight of Gondor]

Hang together people, only another week.<P>On the fourth day of waiting, an elf-lord gave to me: four knights of Gondor, three dormant rings, two midnight shows, and a king come to set the world free.<P>On the fifth day of waiting, an elf-lord gave to me: FIVE SEABIRD WINGS! Four knights of Gondor, three dormant rings, two midnight shows and a king come to set the world free.

[Finwe]

Ai Elbereth, Knight, that was hilarious! Now I'm going to go around singing that song everywhere at school, and I'll probably end up being smacked and told to shut up by one of my friends.

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I couldn't find anything there that said Pippin Video.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Scroll down past where it says RotK Clips and it should be under the big *NEW*.<P>LESS THAN A WEEK!!!!!!! *squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*<P>Abedithon le,<P>Aranel, the Obvious Pippin Fancier

[Ainaserkewen]

Going back to the primetime special thing...Where are you all from that saw it??? I guess it could have been on different channels but I was under the impression that it was a Victoria(The new VI) thing. Come to think of it, I was probably wrong anyway. Mondieu Mondieu! 6 more days, I think I'm going to scream. I got into a big argument with a friend who I didn't know was so anti-LOTR, she was going off on wastes of time and money, yadadadada, THAT'S THE BLOODY POINT!<P>I got myselt a little steamed, but we're still friends, and I have alot of other people to talk to anyway. Humff.<P>Today I took someone's idea and wront "FRODO LIVES" on my fingers. I'd have painted my toenails, but that would have required effort, and sandals to show it off. Plus it's like 2 degrees outside and I'm not wearing sandals. Anyway, I'm rabbling. Got to get to class. See you all in spirit at the opening.<P>-Stay Puft!

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Going back to the primetime special thing...Where are you all from that saw it???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The States. Me, myself, I'm in Utah; it was on at about 9:00 PM here.<P>*sigh* Can't wait!!!<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Catherine]

Less than a week only 6 days!!!! AHHHHhhhhh this is sooooooooo great!!!

[Enorëiel]

Yay! My brother fixed the speakers so I was able to watch the video - with sound! SO much better . I have to keep repeating to myself that there's less then a week left - I can't believe it!! In four days, 15 hours and 14 minutes (MST that is) I will be the happiest girl alive!!!! <p>[ 11:05 AM December 12, 2003: Message edited by: Enorëiel ]

[Ainaserkewen]

Everyone is building up to this premier! A local newspaper featured a HUGE 4 page LOTR spread, they had summaries of the first two movies, the story behind New Line getting involved, actors interviews, the works. All in a newspaper!? Victoria theaters are hosting a 12 HOUR SHOWING of all three movies on tuesday with a special showing. They're doing that all across Canada apparently too.<P>5 more days, I can hardly wait. IT'S CRUNCH TIME, COUNT DOWN TIME PEOPLE!

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In four days, 15 hours and 14 minutes (MST that is) I will be the happiest girl alive!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You and me both! (and in the same time zone even. kewl...)<P>*squeeeeeeeee!* >_< I can hardly wait!!!<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Salix]

Argh! There's no way I can see Trilogy Tuesday because my school has two performances of a musicaltheatre/dance cabaret on the same day, which means I'm moving scenery from 8:30 in the morning till about 9 in the evening. Stupid tech crew. Still, I might be able to see the midnight showing! I have four days, twelve hours and 10 minutes!

[Meneltarmacil]

To continue Knight of Gondor's theme...<P>On the sixth day of waiting, an elf-lord gave to me: (sorry Meela) Six stewards burning, FIVE SEABIRD WINGS! Four knights of Gondor, three dormant rings, two midnight shows and a king come to set the world free.<P>On the fifth day of waiting, an elf-lord gave to me: Seven stones of seeing, six stewards burning, FIVE SEABIRD WINGS! Four knights of Gondor, three dormant rings, two midnight shows and a king come to set the world free.<P>Oh, and I think nine should have something to do with Nazgul.<p>[ 4:00 PM December 12, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ]

[Knight of Gondor]

For all of you who are finishing my 12 Days of RotK, feel free, but just so you know, I already had them all written out, so I will continue to do so. <P>On the seventh day of waiting, an elf-lord gave to me: Seven Umbar Corsairs, six oliphants, FIVE SEABIRD WINGS! Four knights of Gondor, three dormant rings, two midnight shows and a king come to set the world free. (Note: I already did the 9 Nazgul in my 12 Days of LotR last year, so I didn't want to repeat)<P>Now, big long post coming, so ye brave ones, get ready to stick it out. See, I can't read all of the responses online, not all at one time. So I save the site and then read it later when I have more time. Here goes.<P>Unable to read through all the responses until now (my, how Christmas can be busy), I thought that, five days from the RotK release, I’d post my responses to some of the posts here.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> There are a lot of little details you never see in the movie that prove how much Peter loved the stories. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I would have liked to have seen them!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You did! I’m talking small things, like Dwarf runes in Moria, like the subtle things of Rohan designs. Like references to the older ages of the world. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think Bakshi did a better job of Fellowship in an hour than Jackson did in 3+. The scene with Frodo, Bilbo, and the Ring stands out as a point where Jackson showed his amateurishness: the Bakshi version is a strong, moving scene of pathos, Jackson's is a silly, badly done cheap shock. Again, Bakshi's battle at Weathertop is actually quite atmospheric and spooky while Jackson's is the Keystone Kops in cloaks (or Kloaks).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I really don’t know who this Bakshi is that you like so much, but if you like him, go on back to him.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The only problem is the director and his total lack of sympathy or understanding for the story's meaning and the characters' development. We don't need Bilbo's bug eyes, Frodo being rescued, Gandalf hiding behind doors in storms and scaring Frodo into an early grave, badly designed wargs, even MORE false deaths, breakdancing wizards with continuity errors, dwarf-tossing jokes, suicidal Elronds, Sauron playing golf, skateboarding elves, horses charging pikes down cliffs, extra bonus orc characters, people being rescued by balrogs, ninja hobbit fighting machines and all the rest of it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don’t really have a major quarrel with you personally, but your statement that Peter Jackson had no sympathy or understanding for story meaning/character development reflects a lack of attention on your part, as well as prior bias. I also think you set yourself a standard that no one could come close to.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Bakshi version is awful. Okay, it gets points for being amusing, but still; it left out so many parts of the story, some of which PJ left in, I might add, and some of the changes were absolutely horrendous.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I’ve never seen this Bakshi dude, or his film. (Play?) I think that it sounds like a unique adaptation that might please a very select body of Tolkien fans, and if some like it, then you have full rights to like it. Just don’t knock that which the rest of us happen to enjoy, okay?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think you need to give PJ a little more credit. It would be incredibly hard to film the Books exactly; and PJ did the best he could. Sure, some of his alterations weren't the best, but he did what he thought would appeal to the audience. I'll admit, I'm annoyed about a few of the changes myself, such as the removal of the Scouring from the next movie, but I do acknowledge that it takes a lot of work to bring such a deep and complex work of literature to the screen, and so some allowance should be given.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ditto. We must also remember that Peter Jackson is NOT a separate entity all his own. While this Bakshi fellow may have been sole owner and director, etc., he couldn’t hold a candle to the resources Peter Jackson has. But even he had to answer to someone higher up, and he had to prove himself to the studio company. If it hadn’t met with their approval (and remember that, while upsetting Tolkien Purists it was BECAUSE of some of the minor changes that Lord of the Rings enjoys the success it has today. I can prove this merely by a show of hands who has heard of Bakshi versus Peter Jackson!) then the Lord of the Rings movies that we know today would not be here.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Fair enough. Just pointing at the Emperor's clothes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hm, that’s interesting. I almost wonder if, in this case, fools CAN’T see them! Sorry, honestly, I do not mean personal offense to Pandora. But I take note of the fact that millions love (and pay to see) PJ’s Lord of the Rings. And he DOES in fact have clothes. While some may not particularly enjoy the style, most like them. (They like them to the tune of $32 Million – that’s the sum that is expected for Peter Jackson to earn)<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm always inclined to laugh at the Nazgul. They act like escapees from a leper colony.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Where do all these dissenters come from? I thought the Nazgûl were done pretty doggone well. That happens to be what they look like in the books, unless you put the Ring on.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Like, I really can't handle the whole warg attack and "death" of Aragorn, and some people thought the scene was well done and enjoyed it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, the imagined “death” scene didn’t really happen in the books, you’re right. I think Peter Jackson did that just because he wanted to surprise/shock fans who’d already read the books and figured they knew every move before it was made. But I thought the wargs were brilliant. Seeing as how they were not actually there! What did you want, giant dogs? First, Hulk already did that, and second, you’d complain because they only looked like giant dogs. I don’t recall Tolkien describing wargs to a T.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I don't think it needs a prologue and I don't find the one in the Book particularly good (nor did JRRT for that matter). Without the one in the films the story regains its brilliant musical flow from the light, carefree world of the hobbits gradually through more and more moments of discord to the dark, deep, brassy notes of the mountains of Mordor (in the book even the vocabulary changes from the start to the end; the words themselves get heavier as Frodo struggles with the ring). The prologue just confuses this and all the material in it that was needed could have been in Elrond's flashback.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But since we don’t like Elrond, that wouldn’t have worked, now would it? I don’t think you guys are being realistic. This movie would not have had the success it had if it had been changed drastically from the version it is today. <I>I</I> find myself needing a prologue before explaining something to the uninitiated. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Maybe but at least it was a subtle evokation of struggling wills, not "I'm a great wizard; eat knuckles you old fool". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I’m about to shock you, so get ready. Some of the changes, such as the wizard duel, were for the better in my mind. Yes, they may actually differ from the book. But in the book, Gandalf was “taken” and put on top of the tower. As great of a wizard as Gandalf was, he would not have been imprisoned without some sort of fight!! It may be a little unrealistic that it was just Saruman that took him, even though he was powerful enough. The other change that was better in my mind was that Narsil stayed in Rivendell. Aragorn was a Ranger in the wilds for a while, and could not have abided using a broken sword for defense. Not to mention the 800-year-old heirloom doesn’t belong getting rained on, and your average wear and tear in the wild.<P>[quote] I found that a few years ago; it's very good. But Bakshi still did a better job. Especially given his circumstances. [/quote<P>This is a matter of opinion, and I think you’ll find you’re vastly outnumbered to the opposite. I’m sorry to hear about your cat, and I hope you don’t feel like we all hate you for disagreeing. It’s your opinion, and your right to hold it, but it’s also our right to oppose your opinion, and to tell you why. <P>Meantime, folks, it’s only five days until the RotK release! Are we pumped, or WHAT? I’ve already got my costume ready (fabric resembling a chain mail shirt, a tunic, a cloak, vambraces, and an Elven Broach), and as I speak, I am sitting on my tickets. (They’re in my wallet) This movie is gonna be really awesome. And I think we’re a testament to our own will power to wait. I started this thread, what, back in September? Give yourselves a round of applause!<P>Oh, and by the way? I'm on Eastern time zone, so I will see it way before you all on the West Coast! Ha!

[Meela]

Omg... I almost actually fainted.<P>There is now an official <A HREF="http://www.johnnoble.net" TARGET=_blank>John Noble</A> site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<P>With 5 whole days to get through until I see him on the big screen, this should just about keep me going

[Orominuialwen]

<B>My dad finally got our tickets!!!!</B> Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Because he waited so long, all the theaters remotely near our house are sold out, so we have to go to one that's rather far away. The only showing s they had were 5 and 8 pm, so we're going at 8, which means it won't be over 'til 11:30. I just have to finish hemming my dress this weekend. Oh, they just had a thing on the radio about RotK . <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Oh, and by the way? I'm on Eastern time zone, so I will see it way before you all on the West Coast! Ha! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> *sticks tongue out at Knight* I'm in the central time zone so it won't be quite as long for me. <P>Only 4 days, 2 hours, and 18 minutes until I get to see RotK!! <p>[ 11:37 PM December 19, 2003: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ]

[Elennar Starfire]

4...days...the number of lembas Pippin ate, and coincidentally one of my favorite numbers(after 3, though I don't like 2 much (yes, I know I'm weird)) Keep breathing, that's the key. Breathe! <P>Maybe in that 12 days song you should say 'three elven rings.' Just my thought.<P>Orominuialwen, might I request that you shorten that squee a little? It is so long it causes me to have to scroll over to read the last word on a line. I don't know if it's just that I have a small computer or something, but I suspect others may have the same problem.

[Gorwingel]

Well I will be having a sociology test and a Physics lab on Wendesday. But I don't care! I might be extremely zombie like that day, but ROTK is most definitely worth it.<P>My, the waiting time is quickly dissapearing.

[Knight of Gondor]

Yes, please shorten the squeal, we'd all appreciate it.<P>I say "three dormant elf-rings because that's how it winds up in the movie". Hope that isn't really a spoiler. Plus, I already did say three elven rings in my TTT 12 Days of Waiting.<P>Here's the next:<BR>On the eighth day of waiting, an elf-lord gave to me: Eight spider legs hewed, seven Umbar Corsairs, six oliphants, FIVE SEABIRD WINGS! Four knights of Gondor, three dormant elf-rings, two midnight viewings and a king come to set the world free.

[Morquesse]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> On the eighth day of waiting, <BR>an elf-lord gave to me: <BR>Eight spider legs hewed.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, I'm glad he gave them <BR>to you instead of me. <P>So, what scene are you<BR>guys most looking forward<BR>to? I want Shelob. <P><BR>4 days!!! <BR>~M

[Gorwingel]

I was thinking tonight how I can't believe that ROTK is almost here. Because I almost feel as though it should not be here already, but it is. I keep thinking back to when I first saw the films and then read the books, and how much I have changed as a person since then. I know it sounds dumb, but it really has been a life changing experience for me. It has opened me up to a world that I never thought I would ever be a part of.<BR>I am really sad to see it all come to an end, but this is cool.<P>Only 3 days officially, but it feels to me like only 2. I don't really think of 12 midnight as waiting till Wendesday, because for me it is still Tuesday evening.

[Catherine]

OMG It is only three days!!!! I Cant believe it!! I am soo happy...I wish I could see it right now! AHHH!! I cant wait!!!!!

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Where do all these dissenters come from? I thought the Nazgûl were done pretty doggone well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sorry, Knight. I was talking about the ones in the Bakshi version. That's an animated LotR that was made in the 70's, and it's really, really horrible. Funny, but horrible.<P>*squeeeeeeee!* Only two days, one hour and 48 minutes until I get to see RotK! <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Ainaserkewen]

I just go my ticket in my hands this morning. I've been handling it all day...I hope I don't lose it. The pressure is building, do you feel it? Everybody is starting to hold their breaths for this...even those who don't care. The newspapers I swear are more obsessed than me...for the last two weeks the colonist has run at least three articles concerning anything LOTR and then added a few pictures. I love it! I want to do something special in school on weds. but not too nerdish like wearing my pointy ears...I like the painting "Frodo Lives" on my toenails idea but I have dinky baby toes so it doesn't work. Any crazy but not-so-crazy ideas for me?

[Sapphire_Flame]

Paint "Frodo Lives" on your fingernails instead of your toenails.<P>I don't really care; I'm wearing my costume to school on Wednesday, partly because it's THE DAY, and partly because I'm leaving at lunch to go see it, and didn't want to have to run home and change first.<P>Only 1 day, 22 hours, and 24 minutes left until I get to see it!!! <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Enorëiel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I don't really think of 12 midnight as waiting till Wendesday, because for me it is still Tuesday evening. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Exactly how I feel! Which makes the waiting seem a whole lot smaller! <P>I purchased my ROTK tickets a week ago from my nearby line party, the check's been cashed but I have yet to see if I got them *fingers crossed*. I'll find out tonight when I go to pick them up and let me tell you... if they somehow messed up and don't have tickets for me, let's just say Mordor is nothing compared to the wrath they'll receive

[Meela]

Now that we're down to only two days, I actually feel incredibly flat. Looking back at the last two months, it has been one of the most fun experiences of my life. The endless trailing around stores looking for new books and action figures, planning costumes, drooling over Denethor, squealing at a dozen spoilers a day... I can't imagine anything better. And now the film is almost here, all I want is another one or two months of waiting. Or at least a couple of weeks.

[Elennar Starfire]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I like the painting "Frodo Lives" on my toenails idea but I have dinky baby toes so it doesn't work. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I have dinky toes too. What I did is I took a fine tip marker, wrote Frodo Lives on my toenails with that, and then painted over it with clear nail polish. If this doesn't work for you, you must have amazingly tiny toes.

[Knight of Gondor]

Ladies and gentleorcs, now entering the 48-hour blitz prior to the movie's official release. I spend today doing errands, among which were visiting costume shops in the area in order to find long-haired wigs and a beard that might possibly pass for Aragorn's scuzzy beard. (O, the tortures of not being able to grow a full beard yet!)<P>How's everyone holding up? Make sure to check out Foxtrot.com for some LotR-related laughs. Meantime, I cooked up some laughs of my own...<P>On the tenth day of waiting, an elf lord gave to me: 10,000 Barrow-Downers, Nine Nazgûl-minus-one, Eight spider legs hewed, seven Umbar Corsairs, six oliphants, FIVE SEABIRD WINGS! Four knights of Gondor, three dormant elf-rings, two midnight viewings and a king come to set the world free!<P>Keep waiting! Time until midnight viewing, 19 hours, 14 minutes, and 30 seconds! Estimated time until I see it...add 12 hours, because I see it at noon.<P>Stay strong!

[Beren87]

Hobbit costume complete, money for 28 tickets reserved, Books re-read, movies re-watched, snacks ready to be smuggled inside various cloaks, aptly prepared for dissapointment.<P>This fan is ready.

[mark12_30]

I'm sick as a dog, and on antibiotics. But I've got five tickets, and there are four people counting on me for the midnight showing, so I can't not go. (Like I wouldn't!!!) <P>Drink bottle-- check. Minty Listerine-- check. Cough drops-- check. Normal everyday hobbit-clothes-- check. Fellowship Brooch-- check. Elvish earrings-- been wearing 'em for days and days. Pocket-hankerchiefs for tears-- check. Tisuues for nose: check. Apples in pocket-- uh oh, gotta remember that. <P>Eeee! I meant to bake Lembas! Gotta do that!

[Gorwingel]

Well I am completely prepared. Proper outfit-check, pin of Lorien-check, Tissues-check, pre-purchased tickets for 6 of my friends and I-check, Gandalf for President pin-check, pure excitement-duh!!!<P>I am completely prepared

[Mariska Greenleaf]

In about 5 hours the trilogy starts, I'm getting a bit nervous actually...Another 11 hours at least untill rotk...<P>I packed lots of food and drinks.<BR>And tissues, but that is because unfortunately, my grandfather died yesterday. I wasn't going to go to the trilogy, but my parents insisted on me going, because it wouldn't change anything. So I'm going, and I expect to cry for about nine hours non-stop...

[Enorëiel]

I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather Mariska Greenleaf! I hope everything will go alright!<P>I never thought I'd see today!!! I can't believe it's actually here!!!<P>Let's see, Costume - check, tickets - check (FINALLY!!!!), Tissues - packed, Money - packed , Camera - packed (for <B>outside</B> the theater ), movies - almost rewatched and books - 30 pages from the end (I'm saving that for later tonight). <P>Only 16 hours and 6 minutes to go!!!!! Yayness!!!!!<P>Go me! This is my 100th post!!! More reason to party!!!

[Ainaserkewen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How's everyone holding up? Make sure to check out Foxtrot.com for some LotR-related laughs. Meantime, I cooked up some laughs of my own...<P><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><B>Knight of Gondor </B>you beat me to it...I was going to mention that too. There have been some funny comics recently, eh? I love it when cartoonist get involved in the real world.<P>Tomorrow, tomorrow! I am dying in the wait. I will try that "Frodo Lives" thing with the felt pen(never even thought to do that) I do have elf ears and I'm debating whether or not to where them. A bunch of teachers from my highschool are all showing up in extensive costumes, and lets just say I want to be uh, comfortable when I watch this 3 hour and 12 minute movie.

[Knight of Gondor]

Unrelated, but my dad brought home three whole boxes of tissues. How thoughtful of him, only he forgot that I don't cry!<P>Costume, ready. Songs for singing outside theater? Ready. In fact, we are cooking up Lembas too! We wrap it in leaves, and put it in a hand-made bag with the White Tree of Gondor insignia on it.<P>Meantime...<B>ON THE TWELF”TH DAY OF WAITING AN ELF LORD GAVE TO ME: 12 MILLION HAPPY VIEWERS!! 11 White Tree Guardians, 10,000 Barrow-Downers, Nine Nazgûl-minus-one, Eight spider legs hewed, seven Umbar Corsairs, six oliphants, FIVE SEABIRD WINGS!..... Four knights of Gondor, three dormant elf-rings, two midnight viewings.................AND A KING COME TO SET THE WORLD FREEEEEEEEE!!!!!</B><P>Savor these final moments, friend.

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Savor these final moments, friend.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Indeed. And drive all non-fans crazy in the process. <P>Okay: 5 tickets, for my dad, brother, friends and myself=check, costume=semi-check (is in production as I type), lembas and entdraught to sneak into the theater=check, constant Nazgirl-like shrieks of excitement=check checkity check! I'm so prepared! <P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Coriel]

<I>Ainaserkewen, look at your privates messages, if you have the time.</I><P>i can't wait to see the movie either the only bad part is that i dont know how long i'll have to wait before i can actually get around and get the ticket...:S that and i need to figure out who else might want to go with me.

[Jjudvven]

I was planning on buying tickets in advance again this year, but it doesn't look like the theatre that I am planning on going to will be sold out for some reason. So I'll save some money... wee haw.

[Catherine]

I Cant BELIEVE IT!! Only one final day of waiting!! I think all this waiting will pay off! I cant wait to see Orli, Elijah, Billy, Dom, Viggo, and everyone!! I am soo happy!

[Meela]

*runs around excitedly*<P>The tension is killing me! I've been getting up in the middle of watching TV, reading a book, eating... and just running round screaming my head off.<P>*screams*

[doug*platypus]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Oh, and by the way? I'm on Eastern time zone, so I will see it way before you all on the West Coast! Ha! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Contrary to popular misconception, the world doesn't begin and end at the borders of the USA. I'm in Aotearoa (New Zealand) and on daylight savings time no less. The internet may have been invented by the US military, but that doesn't preclude the rest of us from using it.

[Finwe]

*runs around screaming like a rabid squirrel*<P>I can't take this anymore!!!! TORTURE!!!! <P>*starts a group of Barrow-downers chanting "We want the King! We want the King!"*

[Elennar Starfire]

Final day!!! *does a hobbit dance* I will not be able to sleep tonight, because I will be thinking of all the people who are watching RotK at the midnight viewing while I am at home in my bed, wishing I was at the theatre instead. Imagining Shelob, the Witchking, and how good Pippin looks in Gondorian armour. (Yes, I am a Pippin fancier) <P>~Breathless, sleepless, still ticketless (Pippinless as well) Elennar.

[Knight of Gondor]

I had in mind the fact that others will see it before me, and that America isn't the be all and end all. That's why I specified "West Coast". <P>I kept dreaming last night that the movie had already come out, and I got up this morning really happy, until I got through the fog of slumber and realized it would be a whole day still. Yet, only two hours until worldwide release...and only 14 hours until I get to see it! Meantime, my siblings (Eowyn and Gandalf, as they are going as) are going to carol outside the theater with my famed 12 Days of RotK, as well as some other Christmas dities I adapted for the occasion.

[Amarantha_Daisy]

*twitch*<P>*joins Finwe* We want the King! We want the King!<P>Life is *so* not fair... I just learned that my cousin's boyfriend is a big LotR fan, and they're going to the midnight showing. I wanna go! <P>Tomorrow...

[Meneltarmacil]

Tomorrow after school I will witness the destruction of the Ring and the crowning of Aragorn along with the rest of my school's sci-fi/fantasy club, having already pre-ordered our tickets. Thank you for helping me through the wait!<P> <P>*breaks down and hugs everybody in the support group*<P>*gets really embarassed and hides*

[Knight of Gondor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Tomorrow after school I will witness the destruction of the Ring and the crowning of Aragorn along with the rest of my school's sci-fi/fantasy club, having already pre-ordered our tickets. Thank you for helping me through the wait!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You bet. But watch it on the spoilers! <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>*breaks down and hugs everybody in the support group*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>*gets really embarassed and hides*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You think YOU'RE embarassed!

[Oddwen]

I SAW IT I SAW IT I SAW IT I SAW IT!!! If I weren't a lady, I'd be swearing the board blue right now.<P>Dear lord, help me. I'm sobbing right now, and it was all I could do in the theater to keep from bawling. <P>It was more Tolkien than Jackson, fortunately, and I think Elijah Wood was near perfect.<P>Meela, you're going to seriously maim me, but the only bad part of the whole movie was Denethor. (Besides my old gripes with Legolas and Aragorn, but I won't get into that.)<P>I've got to go to bed and cry myself to sleep.<P>GO SEE IT AS SOON AS EVER YOU CAN.

[mark12_30]

It rocks, it rocks, it ROCKS. But thank God for spoilers; I was braced for the changes. <P>Even the crazy stunts were fun. Sense of timing was incredible. I didn't cry as hard as I thought I would. But I'm going to see it again after I get about six or eight hours of sleep. (My friends can't believe I took the day off for a movie. I can't believe they didn't... I wouldn't do it for another movie. But this one????)

[Meela]

Actually, I'm expecting Denethor to be a total loser. But he's still my Denethor, and I have never had a big complaint about the films so far. He will not be my first.<P>Actually, from what I've seen so far, he's not too bad. I've heard he's a total villain rather than a broken man, but I prefer him as a villain. That's how I've always seen him.

[Dininziliel]

I am about two hours away from seeing RotK. I have enjoyed reading everyone's posts--the incredible joy and squeeing is contagious. <P>Just wanted to touch base with "my tribe" because this first time I am going alone (everyone else has to work and are not quite as much a Tolkien "geek" as I).<P>There is much more to mine in the books. The experience gets deeper as you read them each time for your life passages. But, it is so good to share the excitement and love of the story.

[Finwe]

*breaks down and starts sobbing madly*<P><BR>I'm seeing it tomorrow!!!! I can't wait!!!!

[The Elusive Spirit]

It's of Finwe. You'll survive to see it. I cant see it till Friday. I'm currently working very hard to make my parents lives miserable!!!! *evil cackling*

[Catherine]

OH MY GOD!!! I JUST SAW IT!!! IT WAS SO GREAT!! I am sad they left out some parts....but it was still soooo GREAT!! But its sad cuz i dont have anything to look foward to!

[Laitoste]

Folks, I don't get to see it until NEXT WEDNESDAY! My parents weren't about to let me miss school and I had a major AP Bio paper to write last night. They also don't want to pay for the evening showings, and we have to go to my grandparents' this weekend. So I still need you! Don't leave me!!!!!!! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Knight of Gondor]

Stay strong, old boy, I started this post, and I'm going to see it through. I've seen it, and I can tell you, the wait is worth it. I know it's hard, but come next Wednesday (Christmas Eve?!) you'll be gratified.

[Sapphire_Flame]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Folks, I don't get to see it until NEXT WEDNESDAY!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Awwww!!! I sorwy! Don't worry! It's well worth the wait, I'm sure you'll survive!<P>Hang in there guys! If you haven't seen it, just remember: you will!<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~

[Orominuialwen]

<B>I SAW IT!!!</B> It was wonderful and beautiful, and everything that I'd hoped for and more. My deepest apologies for the overly-long squee earlier. I got <I>much</I> too carried away. I've edited it, so it's much shorter now. I'm sorry for not being able to do it sooner. Anyway, I wore my costume to school, and I was not the only one. Some of the costumes were one of the Nazgul, Rosie, and Sam. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see Sam at all, and I barely got a look at Rosie. My brother and I were the only ones at the theater in costume (Frodo and Eowyn, respectively). Poor Laitoste! I've found it helps if you watch the trailer over and over. I will have more about everything later, but I'm being ordered of the computer now.<P>RotK was the best movie I've seen in my entire life.

[Orominuialwen]

Has anybody heard the NPR story on Tolkien and RotK? I didn't get to hear it live (I was at school), but <A HREF="http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5&prgDate=18-Dec-2003" TARGET=_blank>here's</A> where you can listen to a recording of it -- they play Aragorn's speech (the short version) in it!! Scroll down about half way down the page.<p>[ 5:12 PM December 24, 2003: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ]

[Laitoste]

I just saw it!!!!!!!!! It was, well, I really can't describe it. It was the best os the trilogy, by far. I LOVED IT!!!!! (Can you tell?) I cried through the entire thing (well, kinda), and I don't cry during movies. It was so cool. Thanks everyone, for being here! I can't believe that there won't be another one next year. What will I do? (Other than watch my DVDs constantly, of course, and READ!!!!-no question there! )

[Orominuialwen]

Yay! Glad to hear that you got to see RotK Laitoste. Merry Christmas everyone! Hope you all have a good day and get some nice LotR-related presents (I got FotR:EE ). I also got PotC, so it's been quite a good Christmas. Have a good day one and all!

[Elennar Starfire]

I got a cute christmas present... A pocket pack of tissues and a ticket to RotK. Though I have already seen it, still: SQUEEEEEEEE!!!<P>'Tis a most wonderful film.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

That sounds like the perfect Christmas for you, then! <P>I saw it on Wed. the 17th... and all I can say is wow wow wow. It was beautiful and amazing and bittersweet and touching... absoloutely the best movie I have ever seen! There were a lot of million-dollar moments in there... (Million-dollar moment is a phrase I've never heard except out of my own mouth, so, for anyone who might be confused, it's a moment I'd pay $1 million to see!)<P>To all of you still waiting... Hang in there, all the waiting you have to do will, I'm sure, make the movie that much more amazing for you. It is way beyond well worth the wait!

[Knight of Gondor]

Anyone else here that has not seen it yet? We're still here for you!! I even held back a loaf of raisin bread for you!

[Lathriel]

Now all we need is a support group for ROTK:EE. That will be a long wait. Will they put in the houses of healing or Faramir and Eowyn. They better!

[Orominuialwen]

I think they're going to. Otherwise, to use I phrase of mine which I'm fond of, there would be riots on the Barrow-Downs! We do need a RotK:EE support group, though. When is it supposed to come out?<P>My dad says we can see RotK again! I think my family's going this friday. I can't wait! My mom still hasn't even seen RotK.<P>My plan is to see RotK at least once a month until it goes out of theaters. <P>EDIT: Oohh, I like your new avatar, Knight of Gondor. Very spiffy. <p>[ 4:00 PM December 31, 2003: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ]

[The Only Real Estel]

Yes, <B>Knight of Gondor</B>, start up a RotK EE thread & see if you can top the 409 (now 410) posts that this one generated !<p>[ 4:00 PM December 31, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

[rryan24]

My, my are you ever in demand Knight of Gondor! But yes, I do think you should start up a RotK EE thread! And if no one else will contribute to wracking up the posts for that one I probably will all by myself! I can't wait! I'm getting too anxious for my own good. By the way, I do agree with Orominuialwen, VERY spiffy avatar, if I do say so myself.

[Lathriel]

Just thought I would spread the word. I saw a movie picture on TORn where Faramir was being healed by Aragorn. This can only mean that Houses of Healing will be in the EE!!

[Sapphire_Flame]

I heard there is going to be an additional <B>ONE HOUR AND FIVE MINUTES</B> of footage in the RotK: EV!!! *sigh* Can't wait!!!<P>Abedithon le,<P>~*~Aranel~*~