ROTK Trailer Opinions!!!

[kharank]

Well well well!! We finally have a Return Of the King trailer. What do people think?<P>My favourite part by far was the little smile on Gollums face when he looked back at Sam. That was pure genius!!<P>I also liked the shot of Gandalf riding over the (Pelennor?) with his staff alight - pure fantasy cinema!! And the Fell Beasts attacking the cavalry!! <P>Shelob looked good to me, although i'm sure lots of people will say she's too small. That may be, especially as we see her in relation to a halfling. Then again, i think i'll wait for the film!!<P>Did anybody see Gimli sat in Denethors chair, smoking a pipe? That shot killed me!! It when Eomer says 'victory cannot be achieved by strength of arms', or some such!<P>Other peoples opinions are more than welcome. We have the trailer!!

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

I liked Aragorn's speech and the roar that was the reply...I almost cried...<P>I also liked the bit with Gandalf walking on the battlefield and Legolas' expression in (I think) the next shot. Breathtaking.<P>EDIT: Yes, it was. I also like that shot near the beginning after the Ring-toss, when Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn are standing with their horses, supposedly at the entrance to the Paths of the Dead.<p>[ September 29, 2003: Message edited by: Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 ]

[Silmiel of Imladris]

Ok I have seen this preview on AOL but what movie do I have to see to see it in theaters. If it was Second Hand Lions I have already seen it and the preview was not there but that was the week of the 18th. I liked SHL but I don't want to see it again just to see the ROTK preview. I thought the sadest part of the preview was when Elrond said to Arwen: You gave away your life's grace, I can not protect you anymore. And the coolest part was when Elrond told Aragorn: Be what you were born to be! As he gives him Narsil. I like the Elrond lines so far, he has good stuff to say.

[Arwen Evenstar the Fair]

It was totally awesome, they really did a good job with it, the movie looks great! The battles look incredible as well as the stories of the chacters. Now I really can't wait for the movie to come out!!!!!!!!<P>*jumps up and down in excitment*

[Arwen Eruantale]

<I>It <B>can't</B> be over yet!</I> *calms down*<P>*long sigh* Wow.

[HCIsland]

The White Tree is in!<P><A HREF="http://img-nex.theonering.net/movie/preview/images/rotk_trailer01_088.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://img-nex.theonering.net/movie/preview/images/rotk_trailer01_088.jpg</A><P>It's not the clearest image in the world, but the dead tree is definately to Gandalf's left.<P>And then there's this.<P><A HREF="http://img-nex.theonering.net/movie/preview/images/rotk_trailer01_055.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://img-nex.theonering.net/movie/preview/images/rotk_trailer01_055.jpg</A><P>Nothing to spoilerific, and again it's not too clear but Sam's reflection in the pool appears beside Gollum. He overhears Gollum's, "The precious will be ours."<P>H.C.

[Arwen1858]

Why does Arwen look like she's dead?! And why do we see Eowyn on the battle-field with Merry? You're not supposed to know that's Eowyn! <BR>Aside from that, it's AWESOME!! It's so sad what Elrond's saying to Arwen about giving up her grace! And the evil grin Gollum gives Sam is just incredible. I saw the trailer in theatres Saturday, and downloaded it a few minutes ago, and watched it twice more. Now that I have it on my computer, I'm sure I'll see it many more times before the movie comes out! Oh, how will I ever wait til December 17?<BR>I also like the part where Aragorn has Anduril. There's been some speculation on who Eomer was holding on the field when he was crying. After pausing the trailer at that point and looking at it closely, I believe it's Eowyn. <BR>Well, there's what I think about it!<BR>Arwen

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I've already posted my initial thoughts <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002311&p=2" TARGET=_blank>here</A>,<P>But to respond to your points, HC: <P>You are right, that is the dead tree. Well spotted. And yes, it is definately Sam's reflection in the pool. It looks like that leads to Sam's accusation that Gollum means to kill them, since there is then a long shot of the three of them by a pool. Presumably this is in Ithilien, prior to the encounter with Shelob. And, of course, Gollum's evil smile back at Sam is delightful. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And the Fell Beasts attacking the cavalry!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That shot is amazing, isn't it? I assume that these are Faramir's men withdrawing from Osgiliath, and that Gandalf rides out to aid them.<P>One question: Is the voiceover "A day may come ..." said by Theoden? It sounds like him to me, and he talks of not forsaking fellow men and breaking bonds of fellowship, which could refer to the Rohirrim honouring their alliance with Gondor. But then the voiceover finishes "... but it is not this day", which leads into Aragorn crying "This day, we fight", so it could be him. Does anyone have a clearer idea?

[Amarantha_Daisy]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> My favourite part by far was the little smile on Gollums face when he looked back at Sam. That was pure genius!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ooo! I totally agree! It was just so... creepy. I loved it! <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And why do we see Eowyn on the battle-field with Merry? You're not supposed to know that's Eowyn! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I already posted my opinion in the <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002354" TARGET=_blank>The ROTK Trailer is ONLINE! </A> thread, but I'll state it again. I agree... I wish they would have kept Dernhelm's identity a secret. I would have liked to hear some nice gasps... But...ah well.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Nothing to spoilerific, and again it's not too clear but Sam's reflection in the pool appears beside Gollum. He overhears Gollum's, "The precious will be ours." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Eeeek! It is! It is! *I am soooo hyper right now...* But yeah! *cries* Oh...those poor little hobbits... *sniffle*<P>Overall, I loved the trailer. Now I really want to see the movie! ...*tears*

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

Where' s Denethor? I don't remember seeing him in the trailer... oh well, not a huge loss anway.<BR>I LOVE the trailer! Love it! The music toward to end, I found out, is actually the theme of Gondor (or of Boromir). It was played under Boromir's speech at the Council of Elrond. So, are we getting a taste of what Howard Shore is going to do with the score of this one?<BR>Shelob does look a bit smaller than I though.. but heck ,she's still big enough to scare the bejesus out of me!<BR>I love the part with Dernhelm... yes, it's quite obvois that it's Eowyn, but oh well... we also wanted them to not show Gandalf in the TTT trailer, and that didn't seem to ruin anything for anyone as far as I know.<BR>It's just so emotional... and it's only the trailer... the movie is going to be a constant battle with tears, I can't tell already.<BR>I do love that part with Gandalf running across the field... stunning!

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Why does Arwen look like she's dead?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I assume you mean this <A HREF="http://img-nex.theonering.net/movie/preview/images/rotk_trailer01_116.jpg" TARGET=_blank>pic</A>. It's been floating around for a while. I think it was even on one of the original Fellowship trailers. I've heard lots of guesses, but I wonder if it is Arwen laying down her life in Lorien, though somehow it looks like Rivendell. I don't know?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And why do we see Eowyn on the battle-field with Merry? You're not supposed to know that's Eowyn! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't think PJ will be hiding Eowyn from the audience. I mentioned this in another thread, but I think it's next to impossible to hide from the audience that Dernhelm was Eowyn. How would you disguise her voice? You would have to cover her face, but then the audience would be wondering why this one soldier has his face covered and the rest doesn't.<P>I still think Theoden and company will have no idea she's there. What I wonder is, does Merry know who Dernhelm is by the time of the shot we see in the trailer? I'm beginning to suspect he does.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Is the voiceover "A day may come ..." said by Theoden? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm pretty sure that whole speech is Aragorn.<P>I really like it, though.<P>H.C.

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Shelob does look a bit smaller than I though.. but heck ,she's still big enough to scare the bejesus out of me! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I downloaded another copy of the trailer today from OneRing that is of far better quality than my previous one, even when full screen.<P>Watching it it seems pretty obvious to me, what we see in the trailer is only her head!!!<P>H.C.

[Gorwingel]

Speaking of Shelob... one of my friends who went and saw the trailer with me, immediately after the tralier had finished she said "Big spider, I am not seeing that movie" and I said "Yes you are".<P>I thought the trailer was absolutely amazing. It blew me away. I have already watched it about 12 times and it has not yet gotten old. When I saw it in the theater (which is completely worth it) I almost started crying. One of my absolute favorite scenes is when Gandalf is walking across the empty battlefield (I don't know why, but I like it a lot). And another is of course when Frodo takes the hand of Gollum and says that they are taking him against the wishes of Sam. It almost looked like a kind of "Now he likes me better than you! So there!!!". I also like the scene of Frodo's dream where he is reaching out to Galadriel, very cool, and very bittersweet.<P>Overall it was a wonderful trailer. Now, Do we really have to wait to December to see this movie?<p>[ September 29, 2003: Message edited by: Gorwingel ]

[Arwen1858]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Where' s Denethor? I don't remember seeing him in the trailer...oh well, not a huge loss anway.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>shh... don't let Meela hear you say that!! (the part about it not being a huge loss)<BR>I forgot to mention how wonderful the music is in the trailer! It's incredible!!<BR>Ah!!! How will I survive until December 17??!!

[Meela]

No Denethor?? <P>The trailer doesn't work for me anyway. Obviously I'm not missing much if there's no Denethor <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Did anybody see Gimli sat in Denethors chair, smoking a pipe? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>!!!!! *pushes him out*

[The_Hand]

No Denethor!? Well that's stupid and I do not believe I saw Faramir either though that doesn't really matter now. <BR>I loved the music though I thought the TTT trailer music was much better. <BR>I have a real spider phobia... I mean seriously! I closed my eyes all through those scenes in Harry Potter 2. So when I suddenly see that... thing... I nearly fell off my chair! Gosh that was... I'm still shaking.

[Birdland]

Tiger Lily (shout out to T.L.!) and HCIsland: I think the "A time will come..." speech is being made by Denethor. It's a new voice to me. But I can't believe they didn't include him in the trailer at all.

[Faramir Fan]

Don't despair Meela...<P>I am lamenting the fact that all we see of Faramir is his group getting attacked by the Nazgul and Gandalf riding to their aid and a 1 second clip of him in his helmet and you can't really tell it's him...<P>Sheesh when is PJ gonna get it though his thick skull that this movie is about the return of the king to GONDOR...It's not like the job of running the kingdom in Aragorn's absence happens all by itself!!!

[Balin999]

I really liked the trailer. I'm convinced that it won't be too bad after all (and that means sth after my opinion after seeing the second movie).<BR>Hehehe that look of Stinker is REALLY great hehehe. That fat hobbit, gollum!<BR>But one thing that really disturbs me is that scene where you see (I think) Legolas with Aragorn they are somewhere where it's rather dark and they both wear hoods. Then suddenly Legolas says "he's there" in a rather panicked way and the next image shows the Eye.<BR>Now please comfort me and tell me it's not a scene where Sauron fights Aragorn.<BR>Or (even worse?) Legolas and Aragorn fight the Witch king.<BR>*shiver*<BR>But I believe that the movie will be awesome anyway.

[Silmiel of Imladris]

Yo! Hello?! I hate to interupt but could someone please answer my question of what movie I have see to see the trailer in theaters because AOl's picture quality sucks.<p>[ September 30, 2003: Message edited by: Silmiel of Imladris ]

[Meela]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think the "A time will come..." speech is being made by Denethor. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I just listened to the trailer again, and although there is one voice I'm not too sure on (although part might be Gandalf), I didn't think it was Denethor. But maybe it is.<P>Is Theoden speaking at any point? I'm sure one voice was him.

[Maeglanthirion]

OK. About the "A day will come..." speech. It is Aragorn. when it begins, i believe, you see the two armies on the pelannor. Aragorn is riding in front of the armies and thats why it goes to "today, we fight" he's out there giving a pre battle speech to fire up the troops. the voice sounds funny because hes yelling very loud, but listen closely. its aragorn. <P>Also, about the reflection with Gollum, it is indeed Sam, because it cuts to a shot of sam accusing him and then the evil smile of Gollum is because he knows sam knows and Frodo doesn't.<P>I loved ARAGORNS speech. The music was good there. that shot of Shelob looked creepy enough. size doesn't matter that much. and honestly, some of you pick too much. does it really matter that much that Shelob is small or the balrog was too big? who cares, its there, and it adds effect. but Shelob scared the crap out of me, so i cant wait. but the trailer ended well, with the shot of sam in the crack of doom. "NO!" <P>This will by far be the best one. there, i got my thoughts in. a rebutle? an agreement? Don't worry guys, it'll be great. also, find the trailer here. this is a VERY good site. <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/trailers" TARGET=_blank>www.apple.com/trailers</A>

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

The trailer is currently playing with <i>Secondhand Lions</i>, but I'm sure it'll be playing with other films rather soon.

[Tigerlily Gamgee]

As per the quote...<BR>LordoftheRings.net now has screencaps of the trailer up and they accompany each frame with the voiceover that runs over top of them. It says on the official site that that quote is indeed being spoken by Aragorn.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think the "A time will come..." speech is being made by Denethor. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, it is definately not Denethor. The gist of the speech is that a day may come when man will forsake his fellow man and break the bonds of fellowship, but that it is not this day. Now, that doesn't sound like Denethor at all. And why would Aragorn be saying such a thing? It makes much more sense to me as Theoden rallying the Riders of Rohan after deciding to ride to Gondor in response to its request for aid. And it still sounds more like Bernard Hill's voice to me than Viggo's.<P>You are right, Maeglanthirion, that we see Aragorn rallying his troops during much of that voiceover and that it leads into Aragorn's rallying cry: "This day, we fight!". But I think that the voiceover has been edited in over these scenes for dramatic effect. For the reasons that I have stated, I believe that the voice is that of Thedoen. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> please answer my question of what movie I have see to see the trailer in theaters because AOl's picture quality sucks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Silmiel, click on the link that Maeglanthirion gave to get a version of the trailer with excellent picture quality. It takes a while to load (it took my poor aged machine 2 hours ), but it's worth it. Unfortunately, you can't download it to memory (or at least I couldn't with my prehistoric knowledge of computers), so I only have the blurry AOL version to look at now. <P>Edited after seeing Tigerlily's post: It still doesn't make sense to me Aragorn making that speech. So, I disagree with the official site. So sue me. <p>[ September 30, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[peonydeepdelver]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I still think Theoden and company will have no idea she's there. What I wonder is, does Merry know who Dernhelm is by the time of the shot we see in the trailer? I'm beginning to suspect he does. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What about Merry? He's not exactly hiding either...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I am lamenting the fact that all we see of Faramir is <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You saw Faramir?!<P>I was surprised about how there was a lot more focus on Frodo and Aragorn in this trailer than in the one on the DVD. It seemed the main focus of that one was Pippin. Hmmm, maybe they'll make a trailer that focuses on every character... *is getting her hopes up waaay too much* I should probably just shut up now before I make myself disappointed.

[Maeglanthirion]

I don't mean to be rude but i must insist its Aragorns speech. I don't know why I recognize it as his. He has a strange tinge in his voice when he yells. Go back and watch some of the others when he is yelling something. I think it does make sense that he would say it. He's telling them that maybe someday, me will fail and so on, but he says it is not this day. this day we fight, as in, they will not fail today, they will not run, they will not break, they will not forsake their their brethren (hinting the aid of the Rohirrim to Gondor), they will not break the bonds of fellowship. They will fight today beside their fellow men, like all of man unites to fend off the forces of Mordor. well to me it makes sense. Faramir is hard to catch. At the end, when they flip through shots pretty quick, he's wearing a helmet and pointing his sword forward. i had to slow it down to catch it. It sure looks like him to me.<P> I did not catch the white tree. Any indication where that is.

[balrogman]

the best part, bar none, is sams yell at the end of the trailer.....by far the best yell ever

[manaratowen]

i really liked aragorn's speech. it gave me chills.

[Maéglin]

Come on, how about the bit where Frodo is (dreaming?) about Galadriel with her hands reaching out for him. That scene was beautiful accompanied by the music. The music is new by Howard Shore right? It just sounds so... right for the movie.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Shelob didn't scare me at all. But never mind. Maybe I'll be terrified when I actually watch the film . <P>I too am pretty convinced it is Aragorn's voice.<P>When was Faramir? I didn't see him at all!<P>And where was the white tree????

[GrimaWormtounge]

I loved it, but I will have my complaints.<P>The trailer focused too heavily on Aragorn, as did The Two Towers. This is Frodo's story! He should not be a supporting cast member. <P>Actually, that's my only real complaint.<P>Favorite trailer scene: when Pippin looks at Merry with those big teary eyes. God I just want to **** Billy and Dom, especially when they get all emotional in the movies.

[Maéglin]

Ehh, GrimaWormtounge let's hope the censored word is "kiss" and not any other four letter word we know of <P>Elentari, I think the White Tree is in this frame<BR> <P>It is to the right of Gandalf?? I heard somewhere on this board that it was the left of Gandalf but the only thing that resembles a tree to me is that grey coloured trunk.

[Balin999]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>they will not forsake their brethren (hinting the aid of the Rohirrim to Gondor) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No. I think it is the other way round. Theoden and the Rohirrim won't forsake THEIR brethren, as they have come to their aid before (with Eol, is that right???).<BR>Anyway, I think it's rather unnecessary to argue about that since we will know soon anyway.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But one thing that really disturbs me is that scene where you see (I think) Legolas with Aragorn they are somewhere where it's rather dark and they both wear hoods. Then suddenly Legolas says "he's there" in a rather panicked way and the next image shows the Eye. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Is anyone going to bother to look at that scene and think about it and then post his/her opinion here?<P><BR>Always being ignored at this forum is starting to annoy me.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

They should have managed to fit in a shot of Pippin standing in front of Denethor surely? Why is Pippin even in this trailer? At least you see Merry a couple of times.<P>The trailer was alright. Don't get me wrong, the clips look awesome and I'm sure the film will blow everything else away. I just think the actual trailer was a bit anticlimactic. Not even one shot of Cirith Ungol or Mount Doom. (if there is then I apologise, my picture is really poor quality)<P>I thought Sam's yell at the end was a bit strange. I mean, we barely even see Sam all the way through, yet it ends with a completely inappropriate "NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"<P>Strange sequencing methinks.

[Faramir Fan]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>When was Faramir? I didn't see him at all!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Neither did I the first 20 times I watched it... but One Ring says this is him.<P><BR>

[Orofaniel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> My favourite part by far was the little smile on Gollums face when he looked back at Sam. That was pure genius!!<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>LOL, I noticed that part! Gollum had this evil smile... <P>Anyway, I thought the trailer looked rather good. The only thing I thought was a bit....well, the small glimpse we got of Shelob, was a bit dissapointing. I thought she looked a bit...um..small. I was hoping she would be larger, if you know what I mean. <P>Perhaps it's just me. Perhaps it's different when you see it on screen, and when you see the 'whole thing'. All I have to do is wait...

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> quote:<BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>But one thing that really disturbs me is that scene where you see (I think) Legolas with Aragorn they are somewhere where it's rather dark and they both wear hoods. Then suddenly Legolas says "he's there" in a rather panicked way and the next image shows the Eye. <BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P><BR>Is anyone going to bother to look at that scene and think about it and then post his/her opinion here?<P>Always being ignored at this forum is starting to annoy me.<P> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Aww poor Balin...<BR>I had thought of this, but not having come up with any explanation I didn't comment. But seeing as no one has posted on it (again ), I suppose I can say a few words on it. Basically I have no idea what is going on with that, and I agree, it is quite disturbing. As long as they don't start fighting Sauron or something...or the Witch-king...and also, why are they wearing hoods? I take it they are attached to the cloaks or something. But maybe it's just the way of trailers...putting separated images together to look like they belong together and mislead people . So I think I shall ignore that and hope for the best .<P>EDIT: I forgot to comment on those other things! Oops...<BR>About the tree...well, someone must have very good sight because I cannot see anything in that shot resembling a white tree. I had imagined it too be more willowy. I get the feeling that grey trunk think is probably a guard or something. But it is hard to tell because the image is so blurry.<BR>About Faramir...well, that is an interesting looking helmet for one of the men of Gondor. It looks more like one belonging to the Rohirrim, but I won't argue .<BR>Thanks for responding to my queries guys!<p>[ October 01, 2003: Message edited by: Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 ]

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Anyway, I thought the trailer looked rather good. The only thing I thought was a bit....well, the small glimpse we got of Shelob, was a bit dissapointing. I thought she looked a bit...um..small. I was hoping she would be larger, if you know what I mean. <P>Perhaps it's just me. Perhaps it's different when you see it on screen, and when you see the 'whole thing'. All I have to do is wait... <P> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, I agree. Although as someone else said somewhere that we can only see her head, judging by the size of her head...ok, that might end up rather large. What am I talking about? Why do I always end up contradicting myself? It is so <I>irritating!!!!!</I>

[Airerûthiel]

I watched the preview last night online and can safely say it looks fantastic! I can't wait to see Shelob, and the Battle of Pelennor Fields looks as though it will be an epic moment of cinematic history. Elrond had some wicked lines and Gimli sitting in Denethor's chair was sooo funny! Roll on December 17th I say!

[kharank]

Further to previous posts - if you watch a good-resolution trailer, like on <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/trailers," TARGET=_blank>www.apple.com/trailers,</A> and go frame by frame on the appearance of Shelob, right before the end of the sequence you see a great dark mass looming in the tunnel behind her - its literally only a couple of frames before the blackout...this is surely Shelob's body, and the (still large) part we see is merely her head! Nobody panic - this spider's a big-un!! Try it our for yourself, the thing is huge!

[Sleepy Ranger]

In the trailer after Legolas says "He is here." After that we get to see Saurons eye and then a guy fighting alongside the Gondorians who is this person if anyone even noticed him? It isn't Aragorn or anyone else I can think of it and it don't think its Elladan or Elrohir 'cause if it ws one of them I kind of thought they would be together. Anywone else notice that guy exactly after the eye of Sauron???

[kharank]

I dont know who it is either, Sleepy Ranger. I suppose it could be Prince Imrahil, but i hope not, because thats not at all as i imagined him. More than likely its nobody of importance, hence the short length of the shot...

[HCIsland]

Looks to me to be one of Faramir's men.<P>Also in the trailer is what appears to be the "Last Debate" scene which has been moved to Denethor's throne room. It's where Eomer says, "we cannot win this war through strength of arms." It certainly looks like the only people in the room are Gandalf, Aragorn, Eomer, Legolas and Gimli. This is another nail in the coffin for any hope of seeing Imrahil, Elladan, Elrohir or Halbarad. Not that there was much hope anyway.<P>H.C.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I get the feeling that grey trunk think is probably a guard or something. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, it's the White Tree. Only it's black because it is dead (as it is in the Book). You get to see more of it as that shot progresses in the trailer, and it is most definately a withered tree.<P>I am slightly concerned about this shot of an armoured Faramir on horseback. The only time in the Book that I can remember him being on horseback is when he and his men withdraw to Minas Tirith. And, if it is indeed Faramir's men that we see the Nazgul swooping on in the trailer during said withdrawal, then they look to be in their "Ranger" attire. So, when does this shot take place? Does it mean Faramir will be present at the Pelennor or the Black Gate (contrary to the Book)?<P>As for Shelob, I wholeheartedly agree with kharank. It seems clear to me that we really only see her head, but that it is followed by a vast dark abdomen. Taking this into account, she looks suitably large to me. Certainly as large as I have seen her in any Tolkien art. I am more concerned over whether her head will looks suitably spider-like. In my view, she should have multiple eyes and a pair of formidable fangs. It is not clear from the brief glimpse we get of her in the trailer, but she looks to me to have only two eyes, and a toothsome mouth rather than fangs.<P>By the way, don't fret, Balin. I saw the question that you raised, but since I had no suitable answer, I refrained from posting, as I am sure did many others.

[Ainaserkewen]

MondieuMondieuMondieu!!!<BR>Can you tell I'm excited? I just saw the trailor for the first time. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE MOVIE!!!<BR>The music! The costumes, the battles, the spider! Oh it's going to be wonderful!!!<P>PS-please forgive my nonsense, I was just soo happy to see it.

[Balin999]

Ok, first of all, sorry for myself being a little bit..... well you know. <BR>Hm I still can't say what that scene is supposed to be, I still fear that it has something to do with Sauron or the Witch King. <BR>As for the man after that scene, I didn't see him, I just saw a few soldiers, so I guess this man isn't that important. <BR>But I went to the webpage and had a look at it frame by frame, and there it says<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Aragorn (voiceover): I see in your eyes, the same fear <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>So we can agree on the fact that it is Aragorn speaking those words.

[kharank]

It would be slightly easier to guess who Legolas is referring to if we knew when/where the scene took place...<P>It looks like they're still in Rohan, so it could be the moment when Aragorn looks in the Palantir...but then why would Legolas know anything about what Aragorn saw?<P>It may be in Southern Gondor, and they may be awaiting the King of the Dead at Erech...but in the books Legolas held no fear of the Dead, so i doubt he would comment on it. <P>Or it could just be good editing, and in the film Legolas is referring to the approach of a friend, eg. Gandalf, or Elrond bearing Anduril, or (if they appear at all) the Grey Company. Then again, Legolas does look fearful...<P>I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> So we can agree on the fact that it is Aragorn speaking those words. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No we can't. Even official websites get things wrong. I'm still holding out for Theoden. But, as you say, we'll find out soon enough. Anyone care to take a bet?

[Lord of Angmar]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>My favourite part by far was the little smile on Gollums face when he looked back at Sam. That was pure genius!!(kharank)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree entirely! That shot was purely haunting. I had my doubts about the third film, but I can honestly say that it looks like the greatest motion picture ever filmed. It gave me the chills to watch the trailer, particularly the aforementioned shot of Gollum, the scene with Eomer weeping and the shot of Gandalf the White riding with his staff against the Nazgul! Absolutely breathtaking footage. I daresay this trailer brought to life my wildest hopes and fantasies about the third installment of Mr. Jackson's fine trilogy, and I can only hope (and expect) that my excitement will be rewarded and the trilogy will be finished at its pique.<P>Cheers!<BR>-Angmar<p>[ October 01, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I am slightly concerned about this shot of an armoured Faramir on horseback. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Faramir first comes to Minas Tirith and is sent out again to defend Osgiliath. For the guerrilla style warfare he was involved in at Osgiliath, the ranger gear we see in Towers would be appropriate. If he was knowingly going to a siege at Osgiliath, it would make sense he would be in armour.<P>So when he returns from Osgiliath the second time and is attacked by the Nazgul, it would make sense he would be wearing plate armour. This could easily be Faramir and his men charging to engage the Nazgul.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>It would be slightly easier to guess who Legolas is referring to if we knew when/where the scene took place...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>My guess is that they are at Minas Tirith the night after the Battle of Pelennor Fields. As for the line, it is definately part of the same scene - perhaps the same sentence - as a line earlier in the trailer, "The eye of the enemy is moving." So we have, "The eye of the enemy is moving [gap] He is here." I think the good money is on Sauron being the one refered to.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It certainly looks like the only people in the room are Gandalf, Aragorn, Eomer, Legolas and Gimli. This is another nail in the coffin for any hope of seeing Imrahil, Elladan, Elrohir or Halbarad. Not that there was much hope anyway. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Quoting myself , seesh. Just remembered that Halbarad dies at Pelennor, so it's not like he would have been part of the Last Debate anyway.<P>H.C.

[Balin999]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> No we can't <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You're right, we can't. I too thought that it was Theoden, but since I read that on the "lordoftherings.net" site, I think that it's Aragorn.<BR>We will see.<BR>No, I won't bet on anything.

[Maeglanthirion]

About the Faramir helmet thing, watch the end of TTT when their in Osgiliath. You'll see all the Gondor warriors armoured the same. I still firmly believe Aragorn is giving that speech. it just makes so much since. Viggo Mortenson has a strange voice. At normal volume, its very low, but when raised, the pitch changes, and towards the end you can hear it lower a bit. And Bernard Hills voice is deeper than that. <BR> <BR>Ummm... i'll have to check out the white tree and Shelob shadow thing. And since the official website is in part run by New Line, rarely would it be wrong on such a major issue. But that speech nevertheless moved me.<P> I think when you see the Nazgul sweep down on some cavalry, its the Rohirrim. The attire of the warriors i think is the kind of earthy cloaks and armour they wear. About Faramir on horseback, i never remeber him being on horse, but he was in the battle. And i do think its okay the trailer focuses a lot on Aragorn. I mean, the title of the book/movie is Return of the King, right? But yes, Frodo and Sam's part was significant, but i doubt they want to give away too much what happens. No Mt. Doom except for at the end cause thats for suspense. No Cirith Ungol most likely they don't want people to know Frodo got bit or something. i don't really know. No Shelob cause they don't want entirely to give away her appearence. I can't explain the whole Legolas, Sauron thing. I won't dwell on it though. We'll see when the movie comes out.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> So when he returns from Osgiliath the second time and is attacked by the Nazgul, it would make sense he would be wearing plate armour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, except that ...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And, if it is indeed Faramir's men that we see the Nazgul swooping on in the trailer during said withdrawal, then they look to be in their "Ranger" attire. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> but since I read that on the "lordoftherings.net" site, I think that it's Aragorn. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, except that ...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Even official websites get things wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> No, I won't bet on anything. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I can give you good odds.

[balrogman]

cool!(by the way, its aragorn, you can tell by the voice)

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And, if it is indeed Faramir's men that we see the Nazgul swooping on in the trailer during said withdrawal, then they look to be in their "Ranger" attire. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Just to make sure we are talking the same thing, this is the pic right?<P><A HREF="http://img-nex.theonering.net/movie/preview/images/rotk_trailer01_069.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Nazgul and Riders</A><P>There is definately at least a couple of people in plate in that picture (the high-res trailer shows this clearly). So this could easily be Faramir and his men returning to Minas Tirith after fighting in Osgiliath. Faramir would be in plate.<P>H.C.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Just to make sure we are talking the same thing, this is the pic right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, that's the one.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> There is definately at least a couple of people in plate in that picture <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, on studying the shot again, I think that you may well be right, HC (unfortunately I don't have the hi-res trailer to hand, and I'm not spending 2 hours loading it again). And I am pretty sure that they are Faramir's men being swooped on by the Nazgul. It ties in with the shot we see of Gandalf riding out to aid a company of horsemen beset by Nazgul. But I remain unsure as to whether or not this is the same scene as the shot of Faramir on horseback leading a charge. That shot leads into a shot of Gondorian cavalry riding towards an Oliphant's leg, but that could just be the editing again. I hope that you are right, for I would be concerned if Faramir was present at the Pelennor when his rightful place at that time is with his pyromaniac father. <P>As regards Shelob's size, have a look at <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/staticnews/1065026192.html" TARGET=_blank>this</A>. If this guy's right, the size looks about right to me.<P>And, since I seem to be in a minority of one here, I think that it's best if I shut up now about <I>Theoden's</I> speech.

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I would be concerned if Faramir was present at the Pelennor when his rightful place at that time is with his pyromaniac father. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Absolutely.<P>Editted to add: Perhaps the Faramir charging shot has to do with a battle at Osgiliath. We never get any first hand accounts at Osgiliath, so I thing some battle scenes there would be cool.<P>H.C.<p>[ October 01, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

[Lord Melkor]

Hmmm, I got another question. Who is saying "The end has come...."?<P>It's in the beginning of the trailer and I have no idea whose voice that is. It sounds very rough and raspy. Who knows, maybe it's Sauron! <p>[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: Lord Melkor ]

[Salix]

The lordoftherings.net frame by frame has the person saying 'The end has come' by a narrator. When I first heard the trailer, I thought it was Elrond. <P>My question is, where is Sam in the Shelob's lair clip?

[The Only Real Estel]

Well, I think Legolas saying, "He is here!" validates the Sauron appearing at the battlefield rumours, & my friend says that that final pic of Legolas yelling in battle could be when he yells to Aragorn before Sauron & Strider engage in battle...I guess I'll have to wait on that one.

[Arwen Eruantale]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>My question is, where is Sam in the Shelob's lair clip?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think Sam has already gone on ahead, and I'll bet that that is a shot where he looks back.

[kharank]

I don't see how Legolas saying "he is here" proves that Sauron appears in battle. The shot with Legolas saying this takes place at night, and he is hooded and cloaked, not in the battle gear of later clips (granted, the gear could be under the cloak). Further, the mountains behind him look like the White Mountains as seen in The Two Towers, and certainly aren't the Ered Lithui of Mordor. And where are the rest of the army before the Morannon? THe shot of Aragorn before the Black Gate takes place during the day, and with vast armies. I'm not saying that Saurin DOESNT appear in battle, i just think that the Legolas clip doesnt really give us any proof that he will...

[Thenamir]

Saucepan Man:<P>I have always been exceptionally good at picking out voices and recognizing actors from same. Please PM me with your odds and wagering limits on that speech being Aragorn's voice. I'd like to take you up on your bet.

[HCIsland]

I'll take a piece of that action. <P>H.C.

[Rose Cotton]

OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>I LOVE THIS TRAILOR!!!!<P>Here are my thoughts:<P>First: I like Elronds lines. In TTT he was becoming an antagonist and I didn't like that. I like these lines better. <P>Those shots of the Nazgul are spectacular!!! Especially when you see the thousands of orc armies below them!<P>In the scene where Frodo and Sam are climbing up the side of the cliff, isn't that Minus Morgal behind them?? Cause I remember it was glowing grean in the first movie too.<P>I also noticed that you can see Cirith Ungul in one of the shots. (just like in the book)<P>Bad news: It looks like we're going to get some more Arwen scenes. <BR>Good news: We finaly get Narsil!!!<P>And Gollum's evil smile at Sam is priceless. I hope that sometime in the movie Sam says: "I hate to say I told you so Mr. Frodo, but I told you so."<P>And what's with that place that shoots the green lazerbeam into the sky. You see it in the begaining and then a close up later on. I don't understand where that is or what's going on.<P>I'm kindof dissapointed that Shelob is in the trailor. I was hoping she would be a suprise. Oh well. She still looks ausome.<P>And I think that the speach is said by Aragorn. Remember, he has to show is kinglyness.<P>I wonder what Galadriel is doing? I know it's got to be a dream but I'd like to know when Frodo has it and what measage Galadriel is giving.<P>I'm so thrilled to see Merry and Pippin in this movie. They promise to be great characters.<P>Finally, The final picture of Sam is so wonderfull!!! I know I will love this movie!

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I don't see how Legolas saying "he is here" proves that Sauron appears in battle. The shot with Legolas saying this takes place at night, and he is hooded and cloaked, not in the battle gear of later clips<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> True, but earlier (while in the same garb) he says, "The eye is moving." Therefore I'd associate those to clips with eachother, meaning that the eye is indeed, there (which would have to prove that he well take 'humanoid form' ).<p>[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

[HCIsland]

I think your stretching this Estel. "The Eye is moving," more than likely refers to the direction of it's gaze.<P>H.C.

[Orominuialwen]

The trailer was so awesome!!! Even though it took me over an hour to download it and another hour to download Quicktime, and then after that I couldn't figure out how to make it not be a zipped file anymore, but once I saw it, it was SO worth it !! My favorite part is Gandalf riding out with his staff glowing and Aragorn/Theoden/whoever's speech. After I saw it, I couldn't stay still. In fact, I'm still shaking after a whole 24 hours! And I'm still holding out for Imrahil. I think I saw banners of Dol Amroth in a background I downloaded that I think is of the Pelennor Fields. I don't care if it's unrealistic, I'm not giving up until the last credits roll! <P>Edit: Does anyone know if I can still download the FotR and TTT trailers and if so, where?<P>[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ]<p>[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ]

[Arwen1858]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Does anyone know if I can still download the FotR and TTT trailers and if so, where?<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Try <A HREF="http://www.imdb.com" TARGET=_blank>imdb</A>.<BR>I think they have movie trailers usually.<BR>Arwen

[Birdland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>My question is, where is Sam in the Shelob's lair clip?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nooooo, Sam hasn't gone on ahead. Remember in the book, while Frodo is running ahead with Shelob in hot pursuit, Sam is prevented from following by Gollum, who is trying to throttle him. <P>Then, thanks to a fortuitous head butt, Sam escapes Gollum's clutches and runs to Mr. Frodo's rescue. Only to find that he is (SOB!) <I>TOO LATE!</I><P>...anyway, that better be how they do it.

[Gorwingel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Does anyone know if I can still download the FotR and TTT trailers and if so, where?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>They are still on the offical website<BR>Right here <A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net/index_rotk_trailer.html" TARGET=_blank>LordoftheRings.net</A><BR>Scroll down to find them<P>Additionally they are also on the theatrical editions of the DVD. That is where I usually go if I want to see them now.<P>Oh and additional comment. Up a couple of posts Rose Cotton talked about how she liked Elrond's lines. I totally agree with everything she has said. Originally when I watched FOTR I really didn't like Elrond, but since I have grown to really enjoy him, and right now it seems they are giving him much better lines. I also really enjoyed the lines that he had in the Extended Edition while they are still in Rivendell, and Aragorn is at the grave of his mother. Even though the scene seems totally out of place, Elrond's lines it that scene are awfully beautiful, and touching.

[Finwe]

I saw the RotK trailer and all I could do was just sit there and cry my eyes out. The part that struck my heart the most was when Merry told Pippin, "We will see the Shire again." Pippin's face showed how much that poor little dear had been forced to grow up in only a couple of months' time. I think that is the worst part of war. It takes the innocence from people (or Hobbits) like Pippin, and that is the worst crime of all.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Then, thanks to a fortuitous head butt, Sam escapes Gollum's clutches and runs to Mr. Frodo's rescue. Only to find that he is (SOB!) TOO LATE!<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I was pretty certain that was the bit where Sam gets his feet firmly planted on the ground and throws himself backward onto Gollum...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I'm still holding out for Theoden. But, as you say, we'll find out soon enough. Anyone care to take a bet? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hmm...maybe not to bet...but it is NO WAY THÉODEN!!!!

[kharank]

With reference to the many queries about the laserbeam/flame/whatever bursting from Minas Morgul, I think this is a slightly amp-up version of something that does appear in the books.<P>To signal the start of the War, Sauron sends up a great burst of flame from Mount Doom.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And Minas Morgul answered. There was a flare of livid lightnings: forks of blue flame springing up from the tower and from the encircling hills into the sullen clouds (THE STAIRS OF CIRITH UNGOL - THE TWO TOWERS) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Granted, its not exactly as it sounds in the book, but my bet is that the blue-green light is the answering signal from Minas Morgul, after which the Witch-King marches forth.<p>[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: kharank ]

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I think your stretching this Estel. "The Eye is moving," more than likely refers to the direction of it's gaze.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> Possibly. But if the two scenes happened close to the same time, then it might not be to much of a stretch to suppose that he was still talking about Sauron...he could be talking about the Witch-King, but I think that's kinda unlikely...

[HCIsland]

Oh, I agree with that. He is talking about Sauron, but just his gaze.<P>H.C.

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, you've got me back on to <I>that</I> speech. I ask only one question. Why would Aragorn be saying that this is not the day when friends will be forsaken and bonds of fellowship broken? He is fighting for his Kingdom and, ultimately, the fate of Middle Earth, not for any distinct group of "friends" with whom he has "bonds of fellowship". The only conceivable explanation, to my mind, is that he is talking about fighting to buy Frodo time. But that's hardly a suitable basis for a morale boosting speech for his troops.<P>On the voice alone, I cannot tell. It could be either. And, of course the editing of the trailer does suggest that it is Aragorn. But it is the <I>subject matter</I> of the speech that leads me to think that it is Theoden. But then again, there are many here who, I am sure, have seen both of the previous films many more times than I, who think it is Aragorn ...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'd like to take you up on your bet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmm, it's the last point above that concerns me most. I shall have to listen again to suitable excerpts from the two previous films and get back to you, Thenamir (and HC) ... <P>The green light is shooting up from Minas Morgul, which clearly has a "green theme" in this film. We see it both from a distance (from Minas Tirith by the looks of the tower in the foreground) and as a backdrop to a Nazgul swooping down from Minas Morgul. I think that kharank hit the nail on the head with the quote about Minas Morgul answering the signal from Barad-Dur.<P>As for "He is here" by Legolas, this does seem to be part of the same scene as the earlier excerpt, when he is saying "The Eye of the Enemy is moving". Which does suggest that it is about Sauron. It looks to be either in Edoras or Minas Tirith, more likely Edoras from the look of the mountains in the background. It is certainly not the Black Gate, so it is not evidence of Sauron making an appearance there. Frankly, I am at a loss even to speculate what Legolas might mean by this ... <P>... OK, I'm not one to pass up the opportunity of speculating as far as this trailer is concerned. Perhaps he says this at the same time as Pippin is looking into the Palantir, and it's a reaction to Sauron's "presence" in the Palantir. Pure speculation, of course. <P>While on the subject of Sauron appearing, there is a shot towards the end (in the sequence where a number of shots appear in quick succession) where Aragorn is wielding Anduril with a slightly desparate look in his eye. Conceivably, this could be during his fight with Sauron <I>if</I> such a fight is to take place.<P>Finally, back to my favourite subject. No, not Aragorn - er Theoden's - speech, but Shelob. I think that the scene where we see her chasing Frodo takes place earlier than his and Sam's final confrontation with her. There is a shot fairly early on in the trailer where we see Frodo, covered in webs, walking out of the caves towards Cirith Ungol. This I should imagine, is just before Shelob emerges just behind him, between him and Sam. The shot of Shelob chasing Frodo looks to take place <I>in </I> the caves, ie before Frodo emerges from them and walks towards Cirith Ungol. It looks like there will be an initial confrontation, a chase, an escape (presumably involving the Phial of Galadriel), and then a final confrontation, when we all know what happens. Which is <I>similar</I> to the book.<P>I am still wondering, though, why Shelob is chasing Frodo when he is holding up Galadriel's light ...

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>but just his gaze.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Possible. But they should already have known that Sauron is looking at them; they whole reason they staged the battle was to get him to look at them & not Frodo.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I am still wondering, though, why Shelob is chasing Frodo when he is holding up Galadriel's light ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Perhaps it's because the light isn't shining directly at Shelob? He's kind've half running with it, & I'd guess it'd have more effect if he turned & faced. Just a wild guess, though...

[Lily]

My brother got the trailer on our comp. so I can watch it when ever I want. I've watch it oh...about 4 times by now lol! But my favorite thing is the music in the background. Especailly at the end. I also love the Wraiths on Wings diving onto Gondor. Also I'm going to be screaming a lot watching the Shelob part, *shiver* I also like the giant view of all those soliders on that hill! Wonderful! Also when Gandalf makes his staff glow! In short I love the whole thing!!!!!

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But they should already have known that Sauron is looking at them; they whole reason they staged the battle was to get him to look at them & not Frodo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Exactly. Maybe I should explain. I don't think Aragorn looks into the palantir until Minas Tirith. I don't think they'll play up the whole distracting the Eye from Frodo until after Pelennor Fields. After the battle Aragorn challenges Sauron through the palantir and then assembles the Host of the West to march to the black gates. It more directly connects cause and effect for the film audience. So, when Legolas says his "he is here" line, I think this is after Aragorn has looked into the palantir and they are waiting to see if Sauron takes the bait.<P>This brings me to ...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The only conceivable explanation, to my mind, is that he [Aragorn] is talking about fighting to buy Frodo time [in his speech in the trailer]. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That, in my mind, is exactly what he is doing. I think PJ is really going to hammer this point. He wants everyone to get it.<P>H.C.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>So, when Legolas says his "he is here" line, I think this is after Aragorn has looked into the palantir and they are waiting to see if Sauron takes the bait.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I suppose it could work either way. One can only wait...

[tom bombariffic]

Hello All, especially to my good friend Kharank. <P>I've only just found this topic so im probably repeating what everyone said, but my favourite bits were with Elrond, when he's giving Aragorn Narsil, etc. And, of course Gandalf with his big ol' staff. But Shelob wasn't how I imagined her: she wasn't too small, but I imagine her much fatter, with thinner, more spindly legs. and much less hair. Although i'm sure everyone sees her differently.<P>Well, i'm off to watch it again. and again. and maybe another time.

[ArathorofBarahir]

In my opinion the trailer was absolutely fantastic I cannot wait to see ROTK in theatres on my Christmas vacation. I think it will be the best movie of the trilogy.

[balrogman]

yeah a great visual part is when gandalf is chargin the orcs and nazgul(or as my friend calls them, the dragons) and his staff lights up. brilliant!

[Essex]

favourite bits:<P>the look on gollum's face as Frodo is climbing up towards him. It's like the look<BR>a dog may give you when you are eating a juicy steak and he wants it!<P>gollum's sneaky smile. <P>eowyn removing her helmet (obviously to the witch king)<P>But of course the best bit, that blows me away every time I see it is Sam screaming<BR>"Noooo!". Marvellous.<P>least favourite bits:<P>"what does your heart tell you?" - not taken from tolkien's text and, to be honest,<BR>this makes me cringe.<P>all this stuff about elrond and arwen is, to be honest, a little boring. Why is Elrond<BR>so high and mighty about his daughter marrying a mortal when he is half human himself?<P><BR>ps I think Legolas is talking about the king of the dead

[HCIsland]

'Cause he watched his brother die?<P>It's a bit of a change from the book but honestly, I don't see a problem with a father being a tad upset that he's going to be seperated from his daughter for ever.<P>In the book he tells Aragorn that Arwen can marry no one less than the King of both Gondor and Arnor. To me this seems colder.<P>H.C.

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> what does your heart tell you <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually that, or more particularly Gandalf's tender expression in response, is one of the high spots for me.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> not taken from tolkien's text <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If that puts you off a scene, there can't be much in these films that you like. <P>As for Elrond, I like the look of the scenes in RotK involving him. While I take HC's point about him (quite understandably) not wanting to be separated from his daughter, I thought that he was nevertheless portrayed as unnecessarily grouchy in TTT: selfish and overbearing with Arwen and only grudgingly offering assistance to the cause (and to Aragorn's cause). It looks to me like he will be somewhat redeemed in RotK (in his actions if not in his sulky expression ).<P>And surely we can't begrudge Arwen a few scenes in this film at least, given that her marriage will be one of the final big scenes. Just be thankful that it seems to be pretty clear now that she won't be accompanying Aragorn on the Paths of the Dead or turning up at the Pelennor or the Black Gate.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Yeah, Saucepan Man, tis a relief indeed...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> nazgul(or as my friend calls them, the dragons)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No, they are flying dinosaurs!!!!!<P>And Essex, that is a very probable theory with Legolas you have there!

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I thought that he was nevertheless portrayed as unnecessarily grouchy in TTT: selfish and overbearing with Arwen and only grudgingly offering assistance to the cause (and to Aragorn's cause). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I do agree with this.<P>H.C.

[HCIsland]

I know some people have been complaining about the Shelob. This is a very clear image of her from the trailer.<P><A HREF="http://film.msn.dk/pub/images/docs/intertain/film/reviews/lotr3-trailer-6-360.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Trailer Shelob</A><P>If this doesn't scare the crap out of you, I don't know what will.<P>H.C.

[Finwe]

*runs off and hides quaking under her Legolas poster*<P><BR>I'm going to be shaking right there in my seat when Shelob comes on screen. As it is, I'm getting goosebumps!!!! <P><BR>As for the whole Legolas-"he-is-here" issue, here is my two cents' worth. I think that Legolas could be talking about Sauron, right when Pippin is looking into the Palantir. Thanks to Legolas's alertness (word?), Aragorn dashes off to the young Hobbit's side just in time to save him from Sauron's mental clutches, and in the process, wrenches the palantir under his own control. It's certainly dramatic enough!

[Birdland]

OK, I'd say that spider is plenty big enough. (Though it does look bigger in that picture then the quick glimpse of it in the trailer.) <P>Lucky hobbits don't wear shoes, otherwise Frodo's would be full of pee about now.

[Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1]

Ok, Ok...everything I complained concerning Shelob I take back now....<BR>That thing is absolutely putrid...I swear I am going to throw up...*backs away into a corner, turns around and vomits*.<BR>I think we need a vomiting smiley on this forum...

[The Saucepan Man]

Ah yes, she certainly looks scary enough in that picture. <P>And, much to my great relief, suitably spider-like too. There had been rumours that she would have a humanoid head, but this image puts paid to those (the blurry freeze-frames I had seen before were indistinct). Glad to see the fangs, rather than a mouth – <I>two</I> sets of fangs, in fact, by the look of it. But, are those supposed to be her eyes on the front of her head, or are they just the top of her fangs? If they are eyes, they make her look rather boss-eyed. And I would expect them to be further up on top of her head, and more of them.<P>No horns though, by the looks of it. So perhaps Jackson is going for spider "realism" at the expense of Book accuracy. Oh well, can't say I mind too much.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think that Legolas could be talking about Sauron, right when Pippin is looking into the Palantir. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, Finwe. The same thought had occured to me. As I said ealrier in the thread:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Perhaps he says this at the same time as Pippin is looking into the Palantir, and it's a reaction to Sauron's "presence" in the Palantir. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It makes sense because the scene does look to take place at Edoras. He could be talking about the King of the Dead, but the mountains in the background suggest that this is not the Paths of the Dead and, in light of the other sequence of Legolas talking about the eye moving, I would guess that Legolas is talking about Sauron here too.

[Essex]

Saucepan, your point<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If that puts you off a scene, there can't be much in these films that you like. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, there's a lot a like, even with the amazing amount of changes, mainly small, that Jackson has done. It's incredible how good the films are, especially after repeat viewings.<P>My only bone of contention are the scriptwriters not using enough of the text as they can. Over the past two years I've been writing a document explaining where the script and the books tie up word for word. I realise, seeing as there is no narrator, some things are impossible to show. (One of the first grating ones was not showing the length of time between Bilbo going away and Frodo leaving. That would have added to the emotion of Frodo meeting up with Bilbo again. But how to show 17 years have passed in the hobbits' looks (except Bilbo) would have been hard).<P>I've pretty much finished the doc for the FOTR comparisons between book and script, but I'm not that web inclined so have 'no where' to put it (don't have a web page and use my work's internet connection!!) any ideas where I could put it on the WWW?

[HCIsland]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> (One of the first grating ones was not showing the length of time between Bilbo going away and Frodo leaving. That would have added to the emotion of Frodo meeting up with Bilbo again. But how to show 17 years have passed in the hobbits' looks (except Bilbo) would have been hard).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The Bakshi film showed 17 quick flashes between a Shire scene, alternating between summer and winter. That was annoying. They should have but a warning for people with epilepsy before doing that.<P>H.C.

[The Only Real Estel]

It would have been risky to make an early judgment on Shelob anyway, since she was half covered in shadows. Your link was nice though HC, I at first wasn't sure she was big enough, but she looks pretty big now (maybe pretty shouldn't be used in a sentence about Shelob? )!

[Orominuialwen]

I thought the trailer was absolutely beautiful!!! I've watched it 12 times now. My new motto is:<BR><I>There can be no triumph<BR>without loss<BR>No victory<BR>without suffering<BR>No freedom<BR>without sacrifice</I><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I thought that he was nevertheless portrayed as unnecessarily grouchy in TTT: selfish and overbearing with Arwen and only grudgingly offering assistance to the cause (and to Aragorn's cause). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree with what was said about Elrond. He was WAY less unsupportive of Arwen and Aragorn in the book. Hopefully he'll be a whole lot better in RotK like you say. <P>[ October 08, 2003: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ]<p>[ October 08, 2003: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ]

[Dwalin]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I thought the trailer was absolutely beautiful!!! I've watched it 12 times now. My new motto is:<BR>There can be no triumph<BR>without loss<BR>No victory<BR>without suffering<BR>No freedom<BR>without sacrifice<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You like those lines too! When I saw them, I wrote 'em down and adopted them as my new catchphrase.<P>I thought the trailer was great. I only have one gripe. The music seemed a bit...anticlimactic. I don't know, I think it should have grown a bit louder toward the end. Other than that, the trailer was great; I can't wait for Dec 17th.

[kharank]

Hi everyone!<P>Sorry, very selfishly posting to get my forum into the 100 mark, and also to give a warning - anyone who has watched the cinema-release version of Fellowship and then the Extended will realise that the same lines will sometimes be recorded by several different actors, and PJ will arrange them according to his whims. Its therefore not entirely fruitful to guess whose speaking the great speech in the trailer, as it may change for the film! ALthough i still think its Aragorn...<P>By the way, great to see you Tom Bombariffic!

[Everdawn]

I thought... "WOw, not only is Arwen a horse stealer (The Glorfindel episode) but she's a blacksmith too!" then i laughed. I loved the trailer! I couldnt even care now if it isnt exactly like the books!

[deedlit]

Alwsome trailer <P>Best part.. Gandalf riding into battle with a glowing staff! woot<P>Elrond .. nice lines..<P><BR>Except this phrase.. by Aragorn<BR>'What does your heart tell you?'<P>WHY?<P>sounds exactly like something I heard from StarWars Ep1 when Anakin ask the mother..'will i see you again?'

[Tar-Palantir]

I finally saw it during the previews for "Kill Bill Vol. 1" two nights ago in the theater. I was glued to the screen and had physical goose bumps and watery eyes - this movie looks to be very, very good. I truly hope hope PJ pulls it all together and gives us a nice grand finale.<P>If you haven't seen the trailer on the BIG screen yet, you should.<P>Cheers,<BR>TP

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>If you haven't seen the trailer on the BIG screen yet, you should.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Unfortunatly there are no movies worth paying $5 for that future an RotK preview playing in any of my 3 theatres at the moment .<P> Drinks all around,<BR> Estel<p>[ October 15, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

[ladyhwi]

I must admit I have not read every post, being sleepy now. My offering on the Legolas shot' "The eye is moving and He's here" couldn't that be after the first battle on Pelennor fields when close to the black gate they were met by The Mouth of Sauron? Aragorn's purpose in leading an army there was to lead The Eye away from Orodruin and call out the rest of the host of mordor was it not? <BR>I was thinking also that... <BR><I>HCISLAND is it? </I> that Aragorn when in his speech metioned fellowship, maybe he meant the long standing pledge of arms and fellowship between the Eorlingas and Gondor

[Frodo2968thewhite]

Shelob is definately big enough!!!! *looks over shoulder a couple of times* <BR>If Shelob is that scary, just imagine how HORRIFYING Ungoliant must have been!!! *shivers* I've watched it 38 times all the way through; and the Aragorn speech, Shelob scene, and ending scenes 13 times more! But after seeing it once, and seeing how wonderful the movie will be, I HAD to go over to the support group!!!!!!!!!

[The Saucepan Man]

I'm not one to say "I told you so", but that speech is almost certainly made by Theoden, not Aragorn. <P>See the link given <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002388" TARGET=_blank>here</A>.<P>

[Thenamir]

Saucepan Man:<P>I'm still waiting to hear your odds and wagering limits on whether that speech is being delivered by Aragorn or not. You seem quite confident, and therefore should be unafraid of a the chance of a bit of gain on the matter. What say you?

[Lady Alasse]

Does anyone have an Idea as to who the person is in the trailor right after the reforging of Narsil? It shows his reflection in the water and I really don't think that it is Frodo.

[HCIsland]

There are other shots floating around that more clearly show them. They are just anonymous elven smiths.<P>H.C.

[The Only Real Estel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I'm still waiting to hear your odds and wagering limits on whether that speech is being delivered by Aragorn or not. You seem quite confident, and therefore should be unafraid of a the chance of a bit of gain on the matter. What say you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ops wagering bets? I thought such things where off-limits .

[Finwe]

I'm just curious, and I don't think this question has been asked before. Is the person that Eomer is holding in his arms and crying over Theoden or Eowyn? I talked to Saucy about it, and he said he had a suspicion that it was Eowyn, due to the fairer hair of the person in Eomer's arms. Any thoughts?

[HCIsland]

Eowyn.<P>H.C.

[Finwe]

Ah, thank you greatly!

[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Ops wagering bets? I thought such things where off-limits <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thena and I have agreed to a wager of a virtual beer, which I think is in order. If it's Aragorn, I stand Thena a virtual beer. If it's Theoden, he stands me two. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I talked to Saucy about it, and he said he had a suspicion that it was Eowyn <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>True, much as my instinct is to go for Theoden on these matters.