"Minor works" Quotes

[HerenIstarion]

Farmer Giles of Ham
The Adventures of Tom Bombadil
Leaf by Niggle
Smith of Wootton Major
On Fairy Stories
Mythopoeia
The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Son
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
Father Christmas Letters
The Monsters and the Critics
Roverandom
<font color="FFF013">The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun
A Secret Vice

Add up in case I've missed anything

[Estelyn Telcontar]

OK, that hint was quite clear, thanks! I don't have The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun anywhere (can you tell me where it's been published?), but I do have a brief summary of it in Tom Shippey's J.R.R.Tolkien: Author of the Century, so I can make an educated guess. The speaker is the Corrigan, speaking to Aotrou.

Wow, you did find a very obscure work there, HI! smilies/rolleyes.gif

[HerenIstarion]

She is. Your turn to serve smilies/smile.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

I found this interesting site listing other Tolkien writings (http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/Mss/JRRT/mss-jrrt-s-7.html). I thought it might be of some interest to all posting on this thread... smilies/smile.gif
I might start a new topic conserning this list in the Books forum too.

[HerenIstarion]

thanks for the link, Annunfuiniel, and welcome to thread smilies/smile.gif

[ March 17, 2003: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[Estelyn Telcontar]

We haven't begun yet!

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That's Mew the seagull, in response to Rover's repeated assertions of his desire to return to terra firma; from Roverandom

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Right you are, Sir Squatter - proceed at will!

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Here's a good one:
Dear me! This is very peculiar!
How very true.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I was on the wrong track at first, looking for this quote in Roverandom, but now I discovered that it's in one of our old favorites, Farmer Giles of Ham! It's the parson, speaking of Giles' sword.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Indeed it is. That sudden flash of divine inspiration puts you back in the hot seat. smilies/wink.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Just drop me a line...

[Bruce MacCulloch]

The mer-dog saying farewell to Roverandom.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Absolutely right, Bruce, and welcome to the thread!! smilies/smile.gif Your turn...

[Bruce MacCulloch]

...and welcome to the thread!!! I didn't seem to have much choice, since someone (I won't mention Esty's name) has been hounding me to join in for some time now. smilies/tongue.gif

OK - here we go then:
But you'll find it all right.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

'Twas the Porter to Niggle when asked the destination of the train.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

That would be correct, Esty! Would you like to pick what's behind Door #1, or would you like to ask the next question?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Oh dear, difficult choice - can't I have both? Oh well, here's the next: Ten Thousand Thunders!

[alaklondewen]

Great! I finally know one. This is Augustus Bonifacius in Farmer Giles of Ham. He said this several times when he found out Giles was returning to Ham with the Chrysophylax's treasure.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Right you are, alaklondewen, and welcome to the thread! It's nice to have another new face here with us in our little barrow! Now you may try to stump the rest of us! smilies/wink.gif

[alaklondewen]

Thank you, Estelyn for the welcome. I've been watching this thread for a while, but I am still working on the reading list. I'm sure I won't be able to stump you, but I'll try.

It'll make them laugh.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Nokes the Cook to his apprentice Alf, regarding telling the children that the star was not a trinket but a ray-star from Faery.

[alaklondewen]

Absolutely right! Carry on smilies/smile.gif

[Bruce MacCulloch]

I told you so

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That was a rather generic quote, Bruce, so it took some widespread searching to find it. Those words were spoken by the blacksmith, with his usual cheery optimism smilies/wink.gif , in Farmer Giles of Ham.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Ah, but the generic quotes are the most fun, being the hardest to isolate! smilies/wink.gif
Very nice job, Esty! Your turn.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Help me up!

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Come, Maggot! Help me up! A tankard now you owe me.

An indignant Tom reproves Farmer Maggot for failing to recognise him and names his compensation. It's from The Adventures of Tom Bombadil.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

...drrrrrrrummmmrrrrrooooolllllllll.......
and the Oscar goes to - Sir Squatter! Proceed at will!

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Here's a cheery message:
The world wept then, as it weeps today

[Envinyatar]

Tídwald to Torhthelm:

"Aye, that's the battle for you,
and no worse today than wars you sing of,
when Fróda fell, and Finn was slain.
The world wept then, as it weeps today:
you can hear the tears through the harp's
twanging. . ."

"The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth, Beorhthelm's Son" - The Tolkien Reader

[ April 16, 2003: Message edited by: Envinyatar ]

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Envinyatar has it. Welcome to the thread, and you may quote when ready.

[Envinyatar]

'Lo, this is one of the ring of Harbourless Isles, that draw all ships toward their hidden rocks and quaking sands, lest Men fare over far upon Garsecg and see things that are not for them to see . . .'

[Envinyatar]

My mistake! That quote above was from BoLT II, The History of Eriol, and not form The List, which I am putting here to remind myself and any others who might join:

Farmer Giles of Ham
The Adventures of Tom Bombadil
Leaf by Niggle
Smith of Wootton Major
On Fairy Stories
Mythopoeia
The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Son
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
Father Christmas Letters
The Monsters and the Critics
Roverandom
The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun
A Secret Vice
_____________________________________________

And here's a more acceptable offering:

He bewitched a piece off somebody's window curtains . . .

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That's the Man in the Moon to Rover, concerning Artaxerxes' trousers, from Roverandom.

[Envinyatar]

Yes, indeed. Please continue.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Very well then. Let's see what you make of this one:
A barrel of a boy with a big mouth like a frog's.

[Envinyatar]

I should have thought it was a nice boy with a friendly grin, eh?!

Master Nokes talking to Prentice about the missing Star trinket from the Great Cake:

"Oh, did she? Well, it was Cooper's Harry then. A barrel of a boy with a big mouth like a frog's."

Smith of Wootton Major

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That it is. Carry on. Sorry about the delay.

[HerenIstarion]

With an important tone and smile of the father founder, I ask you, Envinyatar, where are you?
smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ May 08, 2003: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[alaklondewen]

I really enjoy this thread, so I'm bringing it up to the top and offering the next quote.

all hail and life both long and sweet,

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I'm so glad this thread didn't die while I was gone! alaklondewen, can you give a little clue, so that I have an idea where to start searching for it?

[alaklondewen]

Welcome back, Estelyn! The above quote is from a work that was not written in prose. It is also a rather obscure work.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That was a tough one, since it's from a very obscure work indeed! I finally found it: ...all hail and life both long and sweet,
wherein desire at last to meet!
says Itroun to Aotrou in The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun.

[ June 08, 2003: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

[alaklondewen]

Correct you are, Estelyn! It is one of my favorite 'minor' works by the professor. The board is now yours.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Yes, I think I shall express the accusative case by a prefix!

[Bruce MacCulloch]

That was quite a tricky one, Esty! You had me rummaging to find it for quite a while. smilies/wink.gif

It was a little man, whose name he had forgotten that the Professor wrote of in "A secret Vice".

[Estelyn Telcontar]

smilies/biggrin.gif - Nice to have kept you busy for awhile, Bruce! You're right, of course, and therefore entitled to pose the next quote.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

'I aint a-going to say'

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That was Perry-the-Winkle in The Adventures of Tom Bombadil.

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Oooh! Not too shabby, Esty. smilies/wink.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's new one that tickles my fancy: I don't believe half of them know where they are going to, or why they are going there, or would know it if they got there.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Such a nice quote - anyone going to take a guess?

[alaklondewen]

Well, what I thought it was it wasn't. Estelyn, would you mind giving us some kind of direction?

Thanks.

[Beren87]

Is it about the Knights going to see Chrysophylax?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Nope, wrong story, Beren. I will gladly give a clue - the quote comes from a children's tale.

[HerenIstarion]

that must be Rover about motorvehicles passing him by

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Finally!! That's it, HI, and how nice to have you back on the thread again! I look forward to seeing what you have next for us.

[HerenIstarion]

thx, Estelyn smilies/smile.gif

I would not have, thee run nor ride
to-day nor ever from my side

[alaklondewen]

This is Itroun to Aotrou after Itroun gave birth. She says:

I would not have, thee run nor ride
to-day nor ever from my side;
yet after sickness, after pain,
oft cometh hunger sharp again.

[ July 03, 2003: Message edited by: alaklondewen ]

[HerenIstarion]

that's it, alaklondewen, go ahead smilies/smile.gif

[alaklondewen]

Thank you, HerenIstarion.

Speak to me words! Show me a face!

[HerenIstarion]

that is first speaker of "Sea-Bell", self appointed king of a new found land:

Here now I stand, king of this land,
with gladdon-sword and reed-mace.

Answer my call! Come forth all!
Speak to me words! Show me a face!'

[alaklondewen]

Very good! The poem is one of my favorites from the Professor. The floor is now yours. smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

*H-I bows

next one:

What hast thou, lord, to give to me?

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

..."We meet again
here after waiting, after pain!
Aotrou! Lo! thou hast returned—
perchance some kindness I have earned?
What hast thou, lord, to give to me
whom thou hast come thus far to see,"


It's Itroun to Aotrou from the eponymous Lay (thanks go to Estelyn for e-mailing me the complete text).

[Estelyn Telcontar]

(...which I only did because, as far as I know, it's not in print anywhere anymore...)

[HerenIstarion]

oh laziness imposed by the use of "find" option of MS Word! Both you esteemed lore masters (and mistresses) failed to notice that speaker named is wrong smilies/rolleyes.gif, for it is Corrigan speaking and no other...

yet since the passage given is absolutely correct, I count it as a score and invite you to proceed smilies/smile.gif

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

I'm not sure that I deserve to proceed after so egregious a mistake, but I shall nonetheless.

It isn't a bad place, I'm told

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I thought you were talking about the Barrow-Downs forum, Squatter, but I found out that the quote has a different source! It's the seagull Mew, speaking to Roverandom of the Isle of Lost Dogs.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Indeed it is. I'm sure I'd be much more complementary about the Downs, though.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Complementary to the Downs, Squatter?? I'm sure you are! Here's a new quote for all of you thousands who are turning the pages of their books: We shall all be in our graves before then.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Well, well; it would appear to be my week for mistakes. Of course I meant 'complimentary', so that will do nicely for Merendis' celebrated List.

There's no mistake to be made about your quotation, though: Even if I had the craft, I should be working for weeks. And we shall all be in our graves before then.The ever-cheerful blacksmith of Ham addresses the villagers concerning the manufacture of mail.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's it, Squatter, and let's hear it for unquenchable optimists!

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Righto, O Ghosted One. When choosing these quotations I often think: Help me with this one!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

The assistance required in that quote is quite appropriate for the Barrow-Downs - Tídwald asks Torhthelm to help him move a corpse in The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Unlike Tídwald's burden, there are no flies on you Esty. Your turn.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Awwww, Squatter, you do make a lady the nicest compliments!! smilies/biggrin.gif Here's one that should inspire all to do some thinking

[HerenIstarion]

An answer is both easy and difficult, for the quote comes from 'Leaf By Niggle' and refers to Niggle's lone sojourn in the cell of the Workhouse, yet the speakers are some mysterious 'they' smilies/rolleyes.gif

They kept him in the dark for hours at a stretch, [/i]'to do some thinking'[/i] they said

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Quite right, HI, and nice to have you joining our duet to make a trio again! Please carry on.

[HerenIstarion]

I came across a nice cracker, I reckon smilies/tongue.gif :

they were too fond of sardines

and I'd rather learn who're "they" as well smilies/rolleyes.gif

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

'They' are a collection of mythological characters associated with the sea, whom the speaker names as former resident magicians. This illustrious group consists of Proteus, Poseidon, Triton and Neptune, and their fondness for the Mediterranean may have more to do with their origin in Graeco-Roman myth than any piscine predilections they may have entertained.

The quotation is from Roverandom, and the speaker is the Man in the Moon. Naturally it is the eponymous canine hero whom he addresses.

[ July 20, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

[HerenIstarion]

Dear Squatter, the way you express yourself is fascinating! The answer is as precise as severest examiner may wish. You serve smilies/smile.gif

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Why thank you, old boy. I suspect, though, that many who are new to English find themselves crying pot and jam him!I can't say that I blame them either.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

'Done by a seaweed wizard, blister and wart him!' he swore. 'Done by a Persian plum-picker, pot and jam him!' he shouted, and kept on shouting till he was tired. "He" is, of course, the wizard Psamathos, speaking to Roverandom of the wizard Artaxerxes.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Spot on, Esty. Let's have another.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's a careful character: No risks for him.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That just goes to show how wrong one can be; especially if that one is Nokes, the former Master Cook. He's making a comment about the eponymous hero in a conversation with Prentice (soon to reveal himself to him as the King of Faery) in Smith of Wootton Major.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You are so right, Squatter! Good job, and please carry on...

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Here's a cheerful little line: I can't abide his eyes, bleak and evil

[Estelyn Telcontar]

...and it comes from that most cheerful poetry, The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth, with Torhthelm speaking to Tídwald of a dead foe: Put the lantern out! He's looking at me.
I can't abide his eyes, bleak and evil
as Grendel's in the moon.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That boy certainly knows how to complain. Absolutely right, Esty. Your turn.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

This is a comforting sentence: Never you worry, lass! I'd like to know not only the speaker, but also the "lass" who's being consoled.

[gilraën]

I only have the audio version of Farmer Giles but I remember him (Farmer Giles) saying this to his horse, did I remember wrong?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Your memory serves you well, gilraën - he is reassuring his mare that she will not have to carry the dragon's treasure back. Welcome to the thread, and please puzzle us with a new quote!

[gilraën]

Forgive me if my memory serves me wrong in this.


"Let him decide"

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Now at farewell I will make you my messenger. If you meet the King, say to him: The time has come. Let him choose.The Queen of Faery addresses Smith in Smith of Wootton Major

[gilraën]

Absolutely correct Squatter smilies/smile.gif

I knew I hadn't remembered it perfectly.

Your turn.

Those Audio tapes, on the way to work, have kept me sane for a long while, other drivers! smilies/rolleyes.gif

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

It was close enough, gilraen; it's nice to see a new face in the thread. Here's one to ponder while I'm in the land of Nod: You'll get nothing cheaper

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That was difficult to find, since it's not typical for the work in which it appears: Hullo there, my lads! You're late comers,
if it's fighting you look for; but I can find you some,
if you need it tonight. You'll get nothing cheaper. Tídwald is the speaker in The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Son.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Indeed it is. My favourite Minor Work rears its dreary head once more. Your turn.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's a nice question: Can you hear what I'm saying?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Hellooooooo - did anyone hear the question?

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

It's from Roverandom. At first that was all Rover could think of to say to little boy Two when they met on the Dark Side of the Moon.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, you did hear! The answer is right, of course, and you may proceed.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

The result, perhaps, of an all-you-can-eat buffet? I feel rather full

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I'm sure it must be a member of the Non-Gender-Specific-Ship after the food fight on "The Reunification of the Entish Bow"... smilies/tongue.gif

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Although The Re-unification of the Entish Bow (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=21&t=000017) is undoubtedly a masterpiece of this young century's literature, its status as one of J.R.R. Tolkien's minor works has been thoroughly debunked by professor E.B. Smallworthy of Barterhouse, Oxford. Unfortunately his web-site was recently crashed by a vicious ping-flood attack, so I can't offer you a link.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

OK, OK, if you absolutely must be fussy and canonical about it smilies/wink.gif, here's the answer - it's Tim, the last recipient of the Faerie star in Smith of Wootton Major. He says: Dear Mr Cook, only cut me a small slice please. I've eaten so much already, I feel rather full.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That's the fellow. Your turn.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Who says this truth? He who would enter into the Kingdom of Faërie should have the heart of a little child.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

I very much doubt that he says it any longer. That was Andrew Lang, quoted by Tolkien in On Fairy-Stories.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Right once again, Squatter - and "says" is literary, meaning that he still speaks to us through his works today! smilies/tongue.gif Your turn!

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Here's a useful one for explaining my chat-room departures: It's after three!

[Tinuviel of Denton]

Is that from the song about the Inn? The one that goes:

There is an Inn, a merry old Inn,
Beneath an old gray hill
And there they brew a beer so brown
The Man in the Moon himself came down
One night to drink his fill

I think the verse that contains the line "It's after three." is near the end.

[Narduewen]

Yep, I found it in that poem,

While the landlord shook the Man in the Moon:
'It's after three!' he said.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That's the bit I was looking for. It was indeed the landlord to the Man in the Moon from The Man in the Moon stayed up too late in The Adventures of Tom Bombadil. The convention we've been following here is to name the speaker, the person addressed and the work from which the quotation came. Completing the quote is optional.

Anyway, it's your turn Narduewen.

[Narduewen]

Sorry for the wait. Next quote,

"Where first"

[Estelyn Telcontar]

'Where first' you say? A fool's question! That's Tídwald; however, he's quoting Torhthelm, who said: Where first do we make for? Have we far to go?
The night is passing, and I'm near finished... both in The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth, Beorhthelm's Son. Appropriately, it's midnight as I write this...

[Narduewen]

Well done! I was thinking of the first one, and I didn't even know there was a second one. You turn.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I cannot come!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

It looks like everyone is taking this quote seriously - anyone going to come? smilies/wink.gif

[HerenIstarion]

I'll have a go, may I?

It may be Firiel to elven mariners stating her inability to follow them, though they were apt to take her along:

The oars were stayed. They turned aside:
'Do you hear the call, Earth-maiden?
Fíriel! Fíriel!' they cried.
'Our ship is not full-laden.
One more only we may bear.
Come! For your days are speeding.
Come! Earth-maiden elven-fair,
our last call heeding.'

Fíriel looked from the river-bank,
one step daring;
then deep in clay her feet sank,
and she halted staring.
Slowly the elven-ship went by
whispering through the water:
'I cannot come' they heard her cry.
'I was born Earth's daughter!'

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You most certainly may - it's great to have the thread's founder looking in again, HI! Too often "I cannot come" has been your motto! smilies/wink.gif You are right, of course, it is Fíriel. Go ahead with a new one.

[HerenIstarion]

Thank you for your kind words, Estelyn, you are very encouraging smilies/smile.gif and lovely

Next one, a bit tricky, I should warn you:

We've come to the causeway

[ September 16, 2003: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Now, that would be old Tídwald again: We've come to the causeway. The cart's near it,
so courage, my boy.
The weight of the duke begins to tell in The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth, Beorhthelm's Son. It's good to see you back here, old boy.

[HerenIstarion]

Thank you, Squatter. I'm equally glad to be here and to be welcomed smilies/smile.gif. My apologies for the delay, you've got it right, of course, and are welcome to proceed

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Squatter, are you going to carry on here? Now that I'm back, I'd love to see this thread alive again.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Sorry about that. I forgot that I'd answered on this thread.

This one's on a theme close to my heart: That's the time for drinking!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, I thought right away that this one sounds like it's from The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, and I was right - it's the Willow-wren, speaking to Tom.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Indeed it is. Your turn.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Here's one that seems appropriate to some forum discussions: Stop this nonsense!

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That's the Sea Serpent, on waking from a nightmare unintentionally brought on by the hapless Artaxerxes in Roverandom. The same phrase is shouted at the PAM by the mer-folk to make him cast the unfortunate spell.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Wow, two answers for the price of one! I meant the second one, but you're right in both cases, of course. Your turn to pose a no-nonsense question...

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Let's see for how long I can keep up an alcoholic theme: The wine is sweet, the cup is steep!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Aotrou is speaking to his wife Itroun in The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun: "I drink to thee for health and bliss,
fair love," he said, "and with this kiss
the pledge I pass. Come, drink it deep!
The wine is sweet, the cup is steep!"

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That's the one.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

The source of this quote is rather obvious, yet it tickles my fancy to hear the last word used in that context: ...they're better than oysters at chat. Who is speaking, and of whom?

[HerenIstarion]

That is Master Of All Rovers to little Rover. He claims mermaids to be a lot more talkative than oyesters smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

The "of whom" is correct, HI, but the speaker is not quite accurate - take a closer look...

[HerenIstarion]

My choice of wording must have been poor. Under Master of Rovers I meant mer-dog claiming such a title on the prosaic ground of being first of the name smilies/smile.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, then you were right - it was indeed the mer-dog! Go ahead with a new one!

[HerenIstarion]

May you be blessed smilies/smile.gif

Next serve, than:

Not a nice trick to play, I don't think

[HerenIstarion]

Did it prove nasty trick to play smilies/rolleyes.gif ?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Well, I did look for it in Roverandom and in Farmer Giles, since it sounded like it could have been there, but couldn't find it. Will you give a clue please?

[HerenIstarion]

I'll try to give you a tricky hint then smilies/rolleyes.gif

The sentence occurred in a conversation of two, one of whom thought himself superior and was 'kindly' joking, patronizingly inviting another to share a joke, yet this another, though usually humbling himself, this time was explicitly showing that the joke was not shared

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, I found it now! Nokes, the Master Cook, is speaking of the disappearance of the Faery star to Alf Prentice in Smith of Wootton Major. He looked at Prentice with a smirk, and Prentice looked at him with dark eyes and did not smile at all.

[HerenIstarion]

that's the bloke smilies/smile.gif Your turn

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Procrastinating? Tomorrow, if you like.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Anyone want to try today? Or tomorrow... if you like! smilies/wink.gif

[HerenIstarion]

First and Second Voices about Niggle's progress to the second stage of his treatment

[Estelyn Telcontar]

'Twas the First Voice, speaking to the Second Voice, so you have it, Heren! Your turn...

[HerenIstarion]

next one, than smilies/smile.gif

What was the message?

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

It was "The time has come. Let him choose."

It's Prentice speaking to Smith in Smith of Wootton Major

[ 9:29 AM November 30, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

[HerenIstarion]

yup smilies/smile.gif, that's him. pray proceed

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Who's this negative character?

No, more's the pity

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I've been looking and can't find it - a clue please?

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

You ought to pay more attention to your dialogues. I'll not light any more candles in the dark.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Ah, my first instinct was right, and I found it the second time around - it's Tídwald speaking to Torhthelm in The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Son.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

I didn't think you really needed that clue. Indeed it is, and it's your turn to give us a quote.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Alas, this appears to be the motto of this thread: only for a few

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

This is a rare instance of a Troll talking about baking: Only on Thursdays I bake my bread,
and only for a few.It's the Lonely Troll addressing a large group of uninvited guests in Perry the Winkle, one of the poems from The Adventures of Tom Bombadil.

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[Estelyn Telcontar]

Right you are, Squatter - pray proceed!

[The Perky Ent]

yep

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

This will be literally true if I don't sign off soon. Behold the morn is cold and greyWho's this cheerful character?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Well, it took awhile, but I did finally find it in a very minor work! Itroun is the speaker, in The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun. "Behold the morn is cold and grey,
and why is my lord so long away?
I do not hear his feet returning
neither at evening nor at morning"

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Absolutely, Estelyn. I was wondering when someone would get that one.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Well, now that we have successfully resuscitated this thread, You never know what will happen next

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

...when once you get mixed up with wizards and their friends.The eponymous hero describes to Mew the tribulations of those who fail to stay out of the affairs of wizards in Roverandom.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

...for they are subtle and quick to anger. ...as Gildor warned Frodo.

Yes, that's right, and you may continue!

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Don't mind if I do, yer 'Ighness. These are hungry folk

[HerenIstarion]

that be Tidwald:

These are hungry folk
and masterless men, miserable skulkers.
They're corpse-strippers:
a cursed game
and shame to think of.

about marauders.

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

It would indeed, Heren. It's good to see you back.

[HerenIstarion]

thanks smilies/smile.gif

here be dragons:

At least they may be getting rare

um?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's the older dragons in Farmer Giles of Ham, hoping that knights are dying out: 'So knights are mythical!' said the younger and less experienced dragons. 'We always thought so.'
'At least they may be getting rare,' thought the older and wiser worms; 'far and few and no longer to be feared.'

[HerenIstarion]

that was quick smilies/smile.gif

yes, indeed. Pray proceed

[Estelyn Telcontar]

For some reason, the word "rare" stuck out to me in that quote - I couldn't help but wonder if that's how the dragons like their knight served?! ("One knight, medium rare, with a salad and fries on the side") smilies/wink.gif

Here's a new quote: there's work to do

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

That's Tídwald; telling Torhthelm to get on with his work in The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth. Brave words, my lad!
The woven staves have yet worth in them
for woeful hearts. But there's work to do,
ere the funeral begins.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's right, Squatter - you must know that poem by heart already! Your turn...

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

This question doesn't refer to me, because the evidence of that is right here in black and green. What does he do with himself all day?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's one dog to another, the title hero of Roverandom asking his moon friend about the Man-in-the-Moon. 'What does he do with himself all day?' said Roverandom to Rover.
'Do?' said the moon-dog. 'O he's always pretty busy — though he seems busier than I have seen him for a long time, since you arrived. Making dreams, I believe.'

[The Saucepan Man]

This thread has reached the end of its natural life. Please start a new one if you wish to continue the game.

Thanks. :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

The old thread is closed, long live the new thread! Let's continue the tradition started by Heren Istarion in hopes that he will be able to join us often! Here is the list of Tolkien's works that we've been using:

Farmer Giles of Ham
The Adventures of Tom Bombadil
Leaf by Niggle
Smith of Wootton Major
On Fairy Stories
Mythopoeia
The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Son
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
Father Christmas Letters
The Monsters and the Critics
Roverandom
The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun
A Secret Vice Since I found the last quote on the old thread, I will start us off with a new one: that was in fair fight, sword in hand

[HerenIstarion]

Sounds something Green Knight might have uttered, but I can not find it. A clue, perhaps? :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

The speaker is another author, quoted by Tolkien.

[HerenIstarion]

hum... Andrew Lang in "On Fairy Stories"?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You got it, HI!! That quote amuses me: He [Andrew Lang] was at pains to defend the slaying of the Yellow Dwarf by Prince Ricardo in one of his own fairy-stories. 'I hate cruelty,' he said, '...but that was in fair fight, sword in hand, and the dwarf, peace to his ashes! died in harness.'

[HerenIstarion]

mushroom driven visions arise: marching yellow dwarves hand in hand with green knights and loads of Ricardos after them...


:) Presumably, my turn to serve. Here we go, than:


Good steward, if thou love me well, bid make my bed

yeah, I'm a bit sleepy, despite it being the midst of a working day
:smokin:

[Bruce MacCulloch]

That would be Aotrou.

[HerenIstarion]

hola, Bruce, haven't seen you for ages :)

Yes, that's the guy. Go ahead

[Bruce MacCulloch]

I have cares of my own

[HerenIstarion]

assuming that is the next quote (and not an explanation of rareness of visits to the BD :p ), I'd say that would be Farmer Giles, trying to get out of dragon-hunting duties

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Indeed it might be Farmer Giles, but it isn't. ;)
As to my scarceness of late, chalk it up to that affliction called life.

[HerenIstarion]

That'd be Tidwald, than:

I have cares of my own
in my heart, Totta, and my head's weary.
I am sorry for you, and for myself also.
Sleep, lad, then! Sleep!

[Bruce MacCulloch]

Very astute there, H-I!

[HerenIstarion]

Thanks, yer honour

I'll try a tricky one on you for the next serve :):

'Don't mistake the cat which is slowly emerging from the bag

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Hmmmm, that is tricky! Sounds like it could be from one of the essays, since I don't recall a line like that in one of the fictional works. However, I have no idea where to start looking - will you give a hint, please?

[HerenIstarion]

philology is the word :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Thanks for the clue - that narrowed it down, and I found it in Tolkien's essay 'A Secret Vice' - he himself is the speaker.

[HerenIstarion]

Aye, that's him :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

This quote won't be hard to locate, but I find it so captivating that I want to share it. It is so beautiful and so typically Tolkien, reminding of his legendarium, though not belonging to Middle-earth:...the moon rose up out of the sea, and laid the silver path across the waters that is the way to places at the edge of the world and beyond, for those that can walk on it.

[HerenIstarion]

Author's narrative from the Roverandom (possibly describing Rover's thoughts as he was left sleepless adn observant by the boy's bedside)

Just an idea - should we open up a thread for "he himself quoteth' kind of quotes? Where it would be clear Tolkien himself uttered the words, but circumstances should be guessed/figured/remembered out? What d'ya think?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Right answer, HI - and yes, I was so enthused about that sentence that I didn't stop to think that it's not a quote! I'm not sure it's worth opening up another thread for authorial statements, since we don't have many participants, but when we run out of quotes, we may want to do that...

[HerenIstarion]

right you are

next one than:

'You had best get a bed in an inn'

who and whom to also :)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

That would be said by the fishermen who caught the Man in the Moon out of the sea.(Adventures of Tom Bombadil)

[HerenIstarion]

that's them. an that's him. :)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

We must be satisfied with the soup that is set before us, and not desire to see the bones of the ox out of which it has been boiled.”

[HerenIstarion]

That'd be Tolkien himself again, quoting some Dacent (sp?), but applying the quote differently: Under soup, Dacent(sp?) meant the guesses of comparative philology and under bones the working out process, whilst Tolkien meant Fairy Tale as presented by its author and its sources respectively

[Mariska Greenleaf]

That would be Dasent . Perfect!

[HerenIstarion]

ah, Dasent, yes. thanks :)

next one may sound a bit uncivil, but it's a quote, what can I do?

My lad, you're crazed

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Tidwald to Torhthelm, in the Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's son.

[HerenIstarion]

My lass :smokin: , you've got correct answer. Off you go

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Thanks.

Come out! Come out! Come out!

[HerenIstarion]

um, where to?

but, to be honest, I know where to:

to the streets, for it was Garn inviting villagers to see the great show of blunderbass-to-get-rid-of-giants-tresspassing as performed by Aegidius Ahenobarbus Julius Agricola de Hammo, or, in vulgar, Giles :)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Right you are!:smokin:

[HerenIstarion]

next go:

I'll do it if you are too busy. But it was your idea and not mine

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's Alf Prentice to Nokes, the Cook, in Smith of Wootton Major, when asked to make the Fairy Queen for the Great Cake.

[HerenIstarion]

Ten mark. Over to you :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Catch me first!

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Said the little bird to Tom Bombadil.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Right you are, Mariska - go ahead with the next one!

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Who would have thought of seeing you here?

good luck!:smokin:

[HerenIstarion]

Either Giles to Chrysophylax, or vice versa (in both their meetings something similar was uttered by both antagonists). I'd cast my vote on the dragon, who was just flying about (=chasing knights down the slope) and stumbled unto Giles around a corner

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Absolutely right!

[HerenIstarion]

* bows

Good morning, lord

+ who, whom to, circumstances :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I've been searching for this one, looking through all of the minor works that could have someone addressed as "lord" - I started with The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun, looked through Farmer Giles, and even skimmed Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, which I haven't actually read yet, but I can't find it. Could you give a clue, please?

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

'Good morning, lord!' said Giles, as cheerful as day, not waiting to be spoken to.

You didn't look hard enough, Estelyn. It's Farmer Giles to Augustus B. A. A. P. and M. rex et cetera on the bridge at Ham. The King has come to collect his 'rightful' tribute: the treasures of Chrysophylax, and to punish Giles for his recalcitrance and insubordination in not travelling straight to court after winning them. He is destined to be disappointed in both ambitions.

[HerenIstarion]

Sqautter, you've got ten mark :) Over to you

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

Thanks, old boy.

Whence these words?There is plenty of material hereDirections to plagiarists, perhaps?

[HerenIstarion]

Leaf by Niggle

Thus spake First Inspector unto the Hero and the great dee...I mean, picture, of his

[The Squatter of Amon Rûdh]

It certainly is, Heren. Give us another.

[HerenIstarion]

thanks :)

next one, than:

you may come inside

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Said the cook in the inn where the man in the moon knocked on the door for
"fire and gold and songs of olk and red wine flowing free".
(Adventures of Tom Bombadil)

[HerenIstarion]

corrrrect :D

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Thanks;

The land you loved is doomed

ps: Never heard that before, my message is too short! ??

[HerenIstarion]

Pardon? How do you mean, what message is too short?

as for the quote, that is Tolkien himself, about (alleged) Escapism inherent to fantasy and the people apt tp criticize it

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Oh, I'm sorry, I just wanted to post the quote, and I got an error from the board that the message should contain at least 10 characters, never saw that before...

you were right of course! Proceed please...

[HerenIstarion]

I have ancountered the same feat of the board two minutes after I asked :)

next one:Let the work come!

[Guinevere]

Ah, at last a quote in this thread that I recognize! :)

It's from "Smith of Wootton Major" (which I recently have read for the first time) .
The smith says this to his son Ned, after giving back the star.

"The name of grandfather hasn't weakened my arm yet a while. Let the work come!"

[HerenIstarion]

correct :) over to you

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Welcome, Guinevere! How nice to have you join us here! :)

[Guinevere]

Thank you for the nice welcome, Esty! :)
I haven't read all those minor works, but I keep trying ;)

Just the other way about to what it used to be

[HerenIstarion]

That'd be Niggle about his Tree, when it was finished, but not finished with, o'course

[Guinevere]

Probably all too easy for you... ;)

[HerenIstarion]

May be, may well be...

Well, next one to torment you with, [but]:

Don't trouble your mind about it

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That was Prentice, speaking to Nokes, who was wondering what happened to the Faery star in the cake in Smith of Wootton Major.

[HerenIstarion]

yes, it was. proceed :)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I hope you can get this one right despite what it says...O never mind about getting it right!

[HerenIstarion]

Ah, tricky princess :smokin:

At first I thought that must have been either priest or any one other from the village known (in vulgar) as Ham to the smith of said village, concerning Aegidius A.J. Agricola's chain mail, but it proved itself to be Artaxerxes to Rover, when the latter was continuosly mispelling his name


'Please, Mr Arterxaxes, I mean Ertaxarxes,' began Rover, rather flustered and trying to be very polite.
'O never mind about getting it right! I don't mind!' said the wizard rather crossly

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Know thy wizards, HI! ;) That's the one.