The "is it" game

[The Perky Ent]

Grr. I knew I should have guessed Valmar and Valimar. They were the three (if you include Valinor) i was thinking oh. Oh well.

VE

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

;)

Is it a nickname of the Prophet?

[The Perky Ent]

My resources run dry. Reveal yourself!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Vefantur, nickname of Mandos, who was associated to a prophecy. Therefore, he can be called a prophet. :D

Nächste Buchstabe, bitte!

[The Perky Ent]

Mandos eh? I was thinking it was Malbeth or something. Good one.

VEA

[NightKnight]

Is it a storyteller?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the first during the second?

[The Perky Ent]

yes Nil, it is Vëantur

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Uh-oh. I'll be the target now! :eek:

L

[Dimcollowen]

random guess her but is it Legolas?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it below the Rerir?

[paavo]

Was he wise enough not to be offended by a thing given in good will?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it those who rule from the shaded lands?

[Gil-Galad]

Is it a place that lived two peoples, maybe 3

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

random guess her but is it Legolas? No
Is it below the Rerir? Not Lake Helevorn
Was he wise enough not to be offended by a thing given in good will? Not Labadal
Is it those who rule from the shaded lands? Not the Laiquendi
Is it a place that lived two peoples, maybe 3 Not the Land of Willows

[paavo]

Did he meet his doom at the same place as the one who returned?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it those who rule from the shaded lands?

[Gil-Galad]

Is it a place that lived two peoples, maybe 3

[NightKnight]

Is it the Singers?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did he meet his doom at the same place as the one who returned? Not Lugdush
Is it those who rule from the shaded lands? Not Lords of the West
Is it a place that lived two peoples, maybe 3 Not Land of the Dead that Live
Is it the Singers? Not Lindar

[The Perky Ent]

Is it one of the last to die by what would be broken?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it one of the last to die by what would be broken? Not Léod

[The Perky Ent]

Is it one of the last to die by what would be broken?

[paavo]

Did he meet his doom at the same place as the one who returned?

[The Perky Ent]

Paavo, I think you and I share the same question :D But let's try and confuse him

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it one of the last to die by what would be broken? Not the Lord of the Balrogs
Did he meet his doom at the same place as the one who returned? Uh, I give up.

[The Perky Ent]

If paavo has the same answer as the one i'm thinking of, which I think he does, then i'll have to take this back. Otherwise...


Is it one of the last to die by what would be broken?

[paavo]

Now that you mentioned it I think we do have the same answer, Lóni, that is. :)

[The Perky Ent]

That's the one!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:mad: :smokin:

LI

[The Perky Ent]

Is it that which precededs the sporadic?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it that which precededs the sporadic? Ugh, you've caught me.

[The Perky Ent]

:D

Lithe! Comes before Overlithe, which I believe is the hobbit version of Febuary 29th.


I apologize if it's terribly wrong, or confusion. I've always been a lunar fan!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

LIS

Someone might get it now . . .

[The Perky Ent]

Hmm...Lis...the unknown twin sister of Dis?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I actually managed to stump you guys?

Hehe, I guess it was more unheard-of than I thought.

And no, Perks, this isn't the unknown twin of Dís. :p

[paavo]

I am simply afraid I will get it right and will have to be the subject of your nasty questions. :) Is it a flower?

[The Perky Ent]

I'm stumped! So I'll guess the stupidest answer of all time

Listening - What the ainur did before Eru gave them sight

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:p

Is it a flower? Not Lissuin

I'm stumped! So I'll guess the stupidest answer of all time

Listening - What the ainur did before Eru gave them sight No, Perks. This one was actually mentioned. And it's a proper noun, so there. :p

[The Perky Ent]

Lis, the twin sister of Dis :p

[paavo]

Would there be a beautiful sound (for some people at least) on a windy day?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

paavo got it! It is Lisgardh, land of reeds at the Mouths of Sirion.

Your thread, thread-starter. :)

[paavo]

Starts with a T

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Did it lead to the death of the foolish?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the silver series?

[NightKnight]

Is it odd?

[Gil-Galad]

Was he a sailor of late?

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it one who succumbed to illness in battle?

[Telchar]

Is it a feast day in the calender of Gondor?

[paavo]

Did it lead to the death of the foolish? Not trolls
Is it the silver series? Not a really good answer but it is not Tilion
Is it odd? Not the third age
Was he a sailor of late? Not Tuor
Is it one who succumbed to illness in battle? Not Theoden
Is it a feast day in the calender of Gondor? Not Tuilérë

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it one who succumbed to disease in battle?

[Thinlómien]

Was he renown for his shield?

[NightKnight]

Is it odd?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the silver series?'


Paavo: :confused:

[paavo]

Was he renown for his shield? Not Thorin Oakenshield
Is it the silver series? Should have thought of this in the first place. I didn't think the question was so straight forward. Not Tyelpétema
Is it one who succumbed to disease in battle?not Turin Turambar - he did kind of succumb to a disease when slaying Glaurung. :p
Is it odd? There are many things that are odd, so thus it is not The fellowship of the ring

I wonder how long I can make up answers that make absolutely no sense. :)

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the place where dreams are started?

[paavo]

This is again a long shot but in a way all dreams are started from the Timeless halls since Eru did create everything in being. So it's not the Timeless halls

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the place where dreams were started?


Yeah Paavo, that was a long shot :p Think First Age for mine!

[paavo]

I have given already so many bad answers that I give up (hah, I got the perfect excuse for not knowing the answer :p )

[The Perky Ent]

The Twilight Meres, more commonly know as Aelin-uial, where Turgon and Finrod were given the ideas of Gondolin and Nargothrond!

[paavo]

Next letter u

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the haven finder?

[Telchar]

Was it a Hobbit Family?

[paavo]

Was it a Hobbit Family? not Tunnely
Is it the haven finder? Yes, it is Turuphanto. The thread is your Perky :)

[The Perky Ent]

Alrighty! Now to find something good...


W!

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it the last comfort before the sundering?

[The Perky Ent]

Now I get to show how bad I stink at Answering these!

It's not Westerness

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it the last comfort before the sundering?

[The Perky Ent]

I could keep comming up with random things that don't match, but I'll spare you.

What's your well thought of answer?

[Telchar]

Is it how the bright flees from darkness?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

West farthing. The Shire was always, as Frodo (and indeed Bilbo) thought to be a place of comfort for them, as Frodo believed that he should always be comforted that the shire was safe behind. The West farthing was where Bag end was and was the last part of the shire before the sundering sea. :D

[The Perky Ent]

I got the Sundering See part. I was thinking maybe the Walls, but oh well.

Wa

[Telchar]

Lets try again :)

Is it how the bright flees from darkness?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Did it shut the door?

[NightKnight]

Is it the Raiders?

[paavo]

Dit it go for Frodo first?

[paavo]

The perky ent?

[Mettare]

First letter: H

;)

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it where the Dark Lord dwelt?

[Mettare]

Not Hells of Iron.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

You're a clever one, Mettare! :p

Is it where Sauron's power began again?

[Mettare]

Not Hill of Black Magic, either.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it where Sauron's power began again?

[NightKnight]

Is it a very strong one?

[paavo]

Did he recover it with his health?

[Mettare]

It's not Hyarastorni, not Helm Hammerhand and not Herugrim.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it where Sauron's power began again? :D

[paavo]

Was the mother of it left without it?

[Gil-Galad]

Is it the Men of the Serpent?

[Mettare]

Not Haunted Pass, not Hope and not Haradrim.



Hookbill the Goomba, if what you have in mind is Hill of Sorcery then that's what I meant when I said Hill of Black Magic, sorry for the loose translation. If not, keep going, I'm really running out of such places soon... ;)

[Telchar]

Was he a sailor that met Erendis?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it where Sauron's power began again?

[Mettare]

:rolleyes:

Ok, both of you, give me the answers and I give you the letters..

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Hollin. Formally Eregion. Where the 19 rings of power were forged. :D

[Telchar]

The Mariner: Henderch.
The was in following Aldarion on his last visit to Erendis.

[Mettare]

:)

HAL

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Is it one who met his death on the fields of Pelennor?

[Telchar]

Is it "he who saw the tree-man?"

[Mettare]

It's not Halbarad and it's not Halfast Gamgee.

[Telchar]

Is it where the Ring Bearer slept?

[Mettare]

Not Hall of Fire.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it where the worm fell?

[Telchar]

is it the equivelent of the title of a famous earth wind and fire melody?

[Mettare]

Don't know either. :(

[Telchar]

Halimath is the equivelent of our SEPTEMBER - "September" is an old earth wind and fire tune - it's very 70s funky ;o)

But my question might be too far fetched - others must decide.... :)

[Hookbill the Goomba]

The hall of Meduseld. Where Wormtong fell from his position as Théoden's adviser.

[Mettare]

:)

HALIF

[Gil-Galad]

Is it a resting place of a great heroe to men?

[Mettare]

Yep, it's Halifirien.

Your turn! :)

[Gil-Galad]

oh joy joy joy....



G

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Did the king fall there?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it dead before we knew it?

[Mettare]

Is it the one who waved them good-bye?

[paavo]

Is its name a paradox?

[Gil-Galad]

Not Gladden Fields, or Glorfindel, what were yours Nilp and paavo?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Garulf, who was, obviously, dead, before we, the readers, knew him.

[paavo]

Galvorn whose name comes from the words 'shining' and 'black' which I at least found somewhat paradoxal.

[Gil-Galad]

ah, this won't be too good for me

GOL

[NightKnight]

Doesss it have a birthday, preciousss?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Was it a worm's abode?

[Dimturiel]

Is it a name for an evil race?

[Gil-Galad]

not Gollum, Golug


hookbill, what is yours? its right on the edge of my tongue but i can't get it out...

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Golden Hall (of Théoden). Where Wormtong dwelt once. :D

[Gil-Galad]

GOLD

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it he whose breath is death?

[Gil-Galad]

*sigh* you elude me again Hookbill...

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Golden, the. A title of Smaug whose 'Breath is death'.

[Gil-Galad]

i can't think right now... i thught it was a dragon

GOLDE

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Did it serve the best beer in the Eastfarthing? :D

[Gil-Galad]

not the Golden Perch

[Thinlómien]

Was it a place where kings lived?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the one who was buried alive?

[Gil-Galad]

not Golden Hall

Nilp, your anwser eludes me

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The Golden, the title of Ar-Pharazôn, who launched an attack on Valinor. Upon stepping on the Undying Lands, he and his men were buried when some hills fell on them.

[Gil-Galad]

hmm... if it wasn't golden before when hookbill said it...


GOLDEN

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it where you'll find what the wises cannot tell?

[Gil-Galad]

not the Golden Wood

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the one who gave name to the last and the greatest?

[Gil-Galad]

not Golden-Haired

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the one who gave name to the last and the greatest?

[Gil-Galad]

not Goldenhead

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it renamed?

[Gil-Galad]

What is your anwser Nilp? it may be the right one

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Goldenbed, or Rathlóriel, the epessë of the river Ascar.

[Gil-Galad]

yeah its the right one, your turn Nilp

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, dear. Now I'm the target of nassty questions? *gulp*

N

[paavo]

Was it a chameleon of sort?

[Gil-Galad]

was he a king of a cave who later became reincarnated as a weird barrowdowner?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Was it a chameleon of sort? Not Nenya.

was he a king of a cave who later became reincarnated as a weird barrowdowner? What? Do you mean me? Or my father, Nóm?

Digression: I am proud to tell you that I now know how to properly pronounce paavo's name. :D :o :rolleyes:

[paavo]

Was it a chameleon of sort (a living one)?

Digression continued: Well, well. I have to congratulate you for that. Not quite many people know that my name ought to be pronounced with a soft 'b' followed by a short 'a' like in 'case' and 'vo' as in 'vote' at the last. :p ;)

[Gil-Galad]

was he a king of a cave who later became reincarnated as a weird barrowdowner?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Was it a chameleon of sort (a living one)? Not Nazgûl?

was he a king of a cave who later became reincarnated as a weird barrowdowner? Not Nimrodel?

Digression continued again: Heh, well, I've been really interested in Suomi lately. ;) :p :D

[paavo]

Was it a chameleon of sort (a living one)?
Then I guess I can soon start asking the questions in finnish. :p

[Gil-Galad]

was he a king of a cave who later became reincarnated as a weird barrowdowner?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it down without a barrow?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Was it a chameleon of sort (a living one)? I give up!
was he a king of a cave who later became reincarnated as a weird barrowdowner? Okay, hit me. Not a literal hit, of course! :p
Is it down without a barrow? Not the North Downs

No, not yet! My Finnish is not good, not good at all. :o

[paavo]

The correct answer is Nahar, the horse of Orome whose coat was said to be white during the day but silver in the night.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Gil-galad?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

http://www.geocities.com/louis_martian/smilies/evil.gif

NA

[paavo]

Did he propbably hold friendship in great esteem?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Fight me! *Sharingan goes active*

Eh . . . maybe not here. But you will pay for that remark. :p

Maybe you can give him the thread, and then ask him all sorts of horrible questions!

Hmmm . . . http://www.geocities.com/louis_martian/smilies/evil.gif

Enedwaith, Gil-galad can still come and give me an answer to his conundrum, and I will still give a letter in return. I just had to get things moving again, y'know.

Did he propbably hold friendship in great esteem? Not Narvi

[Gil-Galad]

heh... mine was Nilpaurion Felagund I.E. you!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm . . . not exactly a king of a cave.

I'm not even in the books.

What's the ruling on this?

[The Saucepan Man]

The rule:

... the idea of this game is that someone thinks of a word (ME related of course) and gives the letter it begins with. The issue:

I'm not even in the books.Is the name of a member of the Barrow Downs, loosely but not directly based on a ME character, sufficiently ME related?

The ruling:

Your question, Nilp. Your decision. :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

My decision? :( :D :confused:

Well, I'm not king of a cave, so sorry Gil. (I haven't published an autobiography yet, you see.)

[paavo]

Would it come in handy up here in Finland? (Hint: Based on your behaviour it could help you too :p ;) )

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Would it come in handy up here in Finland? (Hint: Based on your behaviour it could help you too :p ;) ) Not Narsil? :D

While you ask the question again . . . I'll go ask someone.

[paavo]

Nah, I'm not so boring as to ask the same question twice: I'll leave the hint part out this time. :p
Would it come in handy up here in Finland?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Would it come in handy up here in Finland? Not Narya?

You'll get yours someday!!! :mad: :D

[paavo]

Narya actually was my original answer but just for the fun of it: Would it come in handy up here in Finland? :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Would it come in handy up here in Finland? Not nar (as in Elvish for 'fire')?

[paavo]

If it was up to them, would the world soon be one big Swiss cheese?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:p

If it was up to them, would the world soon be one big Swiss cheese? Not Nameless Things

[paavo]

Is it a border between the new and the old?

[JennyHallu]

Is it the waning of the year?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a border between the new and the old? Not Narvinyë
Is it the waning of the year? Not Narquelië

[JennyHallu]

Is it a survivor of a bane?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a survivor of a bane? Not Nár

[JennyHallu]

Is it a survivor of a bane?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a survivor of a bane? Not Nain I

[paavo]

Is it a border between the new and the old?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:p

Is it a border between the new and the old? Not Narrow Ice?

[JennyHallu]

Is it a king who first saw dragons?

[paavo]

:( :D I will correct my mistake right away:
Is it a border between the old and the new?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a king who first saw dragons? Not Náin II
Is it a border between the old and the new? Not Narquelië? IIIA and IVA?

[paavo]

Is it a border that separates the old and the new?

[JennyHallu]

Is it the holder of a really creepy job?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a border that separates the old and the new? Not the Naith of Lórien?

Is it the holder of a really creepy job? Not Námo?

[paavo]

Luckily I have some finnish "sisu" (I'm sure you know what that means :) )
Is it a term that was used probably out of fear?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I don't know what 'sisu' is, yet, but I'll find out soon enough. ;)

Is it a term that was used probably out of fear? Not Nazgûl?

Off-topic: Sorry about losing to the Swedes on ice hockey.

[paavo]

I don't want to be picky but didn't you already answer nazgul once? :smokin:

Off-topic: Oh go ahead and twist the knife in the wound and pour salt on top! My mind had happily pushed that matter aside into the forgotten parts of my brain and I had gone to the sweet bliss of oblivion - That is all history now! :mad: :D But seriously, thanks. You can't help it, the better team won.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Okay, you got me. What's your answer?

Off-topic: ( :p ) Well, I don't know. Germany had the best goalie, too, during World Cup '02, and arguably they are the best team then. But they still lost. Hmph, that Ronaldo.

If it would help I was rooting for your team--I have an ulterior reason, of course. :cool:

[paavo]

How would "Nameless" aka Sauron sound as an answer? :p

Off-topic: Your reason might not be as ulterior as you think: my all-seeing-eye (this might come as a surprise) sees all!:smokin:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You definitely have a lot of sisu.

And I have a lot of reading to do. Back to the books again . . .

NAR

Off-topic: Ha! My Sharingan can beat your eye any time of the day, any day of the year! :p

[JennyHallu]

Is it a warning fire?

[paavo]

Is it a proof that Saurons forces can do something besides destroying everything they come across?

Off-topic: You ignorant fool! Do you really think that something that has been passed down from the Hyuuga's Byakugan is a match for my eye? You do know that the rumor of Sharingan being able to see in to the future is just an illusion? Watch out for the number thirteen and be prepared for some bad luck.. :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a warning fire? Not Nardol
Is it a proof that Saurons forces can do something besides destroying everything they come across? Not Narchost?

Off-topic. Expect a PM, you Hyuuga loser. :p

[JennyHallu]

Is it a quiet place to hide an army?

[paavo]

Was the world a fair place before the fall of its kings?

off-topic: I see, you cannot admit your defeat in public. :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it a quiet place to hide an army?
Was the world a fair place before the fall of its kings?

Why do I have the feeling that you both mean Nargothrond?

Off-topic: What defeat? You're clearly under my hypnotic genjutsu, weak-minded being. :p

[JennyHallu]

Is it someone fed up with responsibility?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it someone fed up with responsibility? Not Narmacil I

[JennyHallu]

Is it someone who died before his time?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it someone who died before his time? Not Narmacil II

[JennyHallu]

Is it a long story?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm already bored.

Hush, Adam! Enedwaith, you're correct, JennyHallu! The Narn it is!

Your turn. :) And please remind me to rep you. ;)

[JennyHallu]

a

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did it go with the banished, but never came back?

[JennyHallu]

Did it go with the banished, but never came back? Not Aredhel

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Did it go with the banished, but never came back?

[JennyHallu]

drat. was hoping it would take you just a little longer to get me.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's Alatar. He went with Saruman (who was banished from the West during his death), and never came back (unless you count ATM RPG as canon.)

[JennyHallu]

Alatar went with Saruman? I thought he took off with Pallando, long before Saruman's death, and hadn't ever been heard of since then...

Anyway

AR

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it where everything happened?

[JennyHallu]

Is it where everything happened? Not Arda

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Is it where the dirt breathed?

[JennyHallu]

Is it where the dirt breathed? Not Ard-Galen?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Of the Blue little was known in the West, and they had no names save Ithryn Luin 'the Blue Wizards;' for they passed into the East with Curunír, but they never returned . . .
UT IV 2--second emphasis mine

Enedwaith . . .

Is one removed from it?

[JennyHallu]

Enedwaith . . .

Is one removed from it? Not Arnor

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is one removed from it?

[JennyHallu]

So you don't mean "Is it one removed from Enedwaith?"

But I get it now...Not Aratar.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:D

'Enedwaith' = anyway in my vocabulary. ;)

Is it alive before the World was formed?

[JennyHallu]

Is is alive before the world was formed?

Come now, Nilp, that's a "was it" question. This isn't the "was it" game...

Plus I'm not entirely sure I've got your answer. Not Arien?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

the idea of this game is that someone thinks of a word (ME related of course) and gives the letter it begins with. The others then try to think of a word that begins with the given letter and then ask a question which could be answered with the word the asker has thought up. (paavo)The question doesn't necessarily have to start with 'is it.' I just started my question with 'is it,' disregarding grammar, because I want it to fit the game's title.

Is it alive before the World was formed?

[JennyHallu]

I wasn't complaining, just hedging for time...and maybe teasing you for your grammar, just a little bit ;)

Is it alive before the world was formed? Not Araw

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Really sorry. :o I thought that . . . well, never mind. Again, really sorry.

So . . .

Is it where the wise turned back?

[JennyHallu]

Is it where the wise turned back?

Not Argonath?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

:D

Is it where the wise turned back?

[JennyHallu]

Not Aros?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it where many of wise turned back?

[JennyHallu]

Agh! Running out of place names...

Not Armenelos?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it where many of wise turned back and returned home?

[JennyHallu]

Not Araman?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the last?

[JennyHallu]

Not Arvedui.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the last?

[JennyHallu]

Not Ar-Pharazon.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the last?

[JennyHallu]

Not Aragorn. (I suppose we'll go with last Ranger, rather than last King.)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the first?

[JennyHallu]

Not Aranarth.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the first?

[JennyHallu]

Not Ar-Adunakhor

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it the worst?

[JennyHallu]

I confess myself stymied. Give me your answer, and I'll give you your letter.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's Ar-Gimilzôr, acclaimed worst enemy of the Elendili.

[JennyHallu]

Oh, fine...

ARA

[paavo]

Who is hiding? where? When? Oh, you mean all the people who went to hiding when they saw my graceful figure approaching :p

Is there a chance of mistaking it for something much bigger? (You can add an "is it" there if you want ;) )

[JennyHallu]

Not Araphant? (since it sounds like Oliphaunt?)

[paavo]

Was he the son of the singer and the succesor of the greatest?