The "is it" game

[paavo]

ok, I'm going to try to keep this simple but since it's me, I probably end up confusing everyone. :)

the idea of this game is that someone thinks of a word (ME related of course) and gives the letter it begins with. The others then try to think of a word that begins with the given letter and then ask a question which could be answered with the word the asker has thought up. If the one who thought up the word in the first place can't answer the question he has to give the next letter of his word. Before the person who has set the clue gives the next letter he has to ask for an answer from the asker. after the asker has given the correct answer the setter of the clue can give the next letter. others should not ask questions before the setter of the clue has given the next letter. Confusing, I know :) but an example should clear this a bit.

I could think about "Herugrim" so I would post:
- It starts with H.
"Hobbit" could spring up to someones mind so he could ask:
-is it a race in ME?
I could answer:
-no, its not the Haradrim
then Mister x, as I am going to call the other guy from now on, could ask the same question again or he could try to narrow down the possible answers and ask:
-is it a race in ME which likes to live in holes.
I would of course answer:
-no, it's not a hobbit.
then mister x could ask:
-does it protect you from harm?
I can't think anything that protects you from harm and begins with 'H' so I have to answer:
-I can't think of anything
mister x then has to say his answer:
- a Helmet
now I would have to give the next letter:
-the next letter is 'e'
mister x could then ask:
-was it used at the battle of the pelennor fields?
I could asnwer:
- no, it's not the Heads that were catapulted into minas tirith.
mister x asks the same question:
-was it used at the battle of the pelennor fields?
I can't think up anything else that was used at the battle so I have to say:
- yes, it is Herugrim.

I hope this cleared things up. :)

before I completely confuse you all I'll start off: my word begins with 'S'

and my apologies if a similar thread already exists.

EDIT: as there has been some confusion with the rules, I will try to clarify them as saucepan suggested.

the same answer cannot be given more than once to the questions being asked by the guessers. That's why, for example, we can keep on asking "Is it a Dwarf?" and expect a different answer each time. If the person who has set the clue cannot give an answer, then he/she must ask the person who asked the question to give their answer. If their answer is one which has previously been given, the game simply carries on.
the person who has set the clue needs to keep in mind the answers already given and guessers should try to avoid asking a question to which the only answer (or at least the only answer that they can think of) is one which has already been given.

[Evisse the Blue]

This looks like a really fun game!

Ok, so: Is it a character from the Lord of the Rings?

[paavo]

thanks :)

no, it's not Saruman.

[Firefoot]

Is it a person?

One question: can more than one person ask a question before you answer, or do the questions have to come one at a time?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a an evil creature?

[paavo]

sure, but if I can't answer to question and have to give the next letter, the other persons question might not be valid anymore.

and no, it's not Samwise. :)

EDIT: to Evisse: no it's not Sauron (if you can say Sauron is a creature :) )

[Evisse the Blue]

Does it protect you from danger?

[Firefoot]

Is it a place?

[paavo]

no, it's not a shield nor is it the shire.

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a nickname?

[paavo]

it's not strider.

[Niluial]

Is it a river?

[Firefoot]

Is it an object?

[Thorongil]

Is it an event?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a period in the history of Arda, remembered only by Elves?

[paavo]

it's not silverlode, silmaril, siege of Barad-dur nor is it.... oh, shoot! I can't think up anything for your question evisse! tell the right answer and I'll give the next letter. :)

[Evisse the Blue]

Sunless years.

[paavo]

qood question evisse. :)

the next letter is h

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a monster?

[paavo]

it's not "shadow and flame"

[Evisse the Blue]

Did it attack Frodo?

[The Saucepan Man]

Was it wounded by Sam? ;)

[Firefoot]

Is it an Orc?

[Gil-Galad]

Was it created during Saurons reign?

[paavo]

to Evisse and Saucepan man: it's not Shelob. :p
neither is it Shagrat or... or... now why did you have to ask that question gil-galad?! :) I can't think anything for that.

[Morsul the Dark]

well SH

not shield
shire
shagrat
shelob

is it a nickname?

[paavo]

it's not Sharkey.

[Gil-Galad]

i know i'm evil... :smokin:

Is it.....Dead?

[paavo]

Gil-galad, if you'll give the answer to your previous question i'll give the next letter. :)

[Firefoot]

Is it a horse?

[paavo]

Firefoot you evilevil man! yes it is Shadowfax. :)

take it away.

[Firefoot]

Thanks... that would be woman. :)

Starts with a B.

[paavo]

I'll be happy to ask many many questions if you just gave the letter your word begins with. :)

and sorry about the confusion. :)

[Firefoot]

Wow, that was fast. I realized that just after I posted, and edited it, but you had gotten in your post first.

It starts with a B. :)

[Morsul the Dark]

well let's see B? many words come to mind some more obvioous then others so.

Ill try the more obscure ones first

is it a dwarf?

[Firefoot]

It's not Balin.

[paavo]

is it "oldest and fatherless"?

[Morsul the Dark]

ok not Balin...not the dwarf I had in mind however you most likely would have said yes it is were it the one i thought of so...

Is it a boat?

[Firefoot]

It is neither Bombadil or the boats the Elves gave to the Fellowship.

[Morsul the Dark]

ok thats another not what i was thinking of...

is it a man who transforms into a bear?

[Firefoot]

It's not Beorn.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it an area east of the old forest?

[paavo]

ok thats another not what i was thinking of...



if you don't get the anwer your looking for you can simply ask the same question again. :)

[Morsul the Dark]

oh yeah see i misunderstood a bit

[Firefoot]

It's not Buckland.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a =dwarf that falls asleep in mirkwood due to the river water

[Firefoot]

It's not Bombur.

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a river?

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a city containing the prancing pony?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

paavo says if you don't get the anwer your looking for you can simply ask the same question again
Sooo... is it a dwarf? ;)

[paavo]

is it a man mistaken for a horse?

[Firefoot]

It is not the Brilthor, Bree, or Bifur.

The only answer I could think of for paavo's question (and if this isn't what you meant, I'll give you the next letter) is Brego, who was made into a horse in the movie. It's not him either.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Is it a Dwarf who travelled with Bilbo on the quest to Erebor?

[Firefoot]

It is not Bofur.

[Gil-Galad]

does it have 4 legs?

[Firefoot]

It is not Bill the pony.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Is it a place where the dead lay in unrest?

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a land named after a color where vegetation doesn't grow?

[Firefoot]

It is neither Blackroot Vale nor the Brown Lands.

[Morsul the Dark]

is a hole in a hole in the ground, not a nasty dirty hole mind you, in the ground?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Is it a rather dangerous graveyard of sorts, east of the Old Forest?

[Firefoot]

It is not Bag-end, and it is not the Barrow-downs.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a hobbit that lives in bag end?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Is it a dead man who attempted to tread a path that he shouldn't have?

[Firefoot]

It is not Bilbo, and it is not Baldor.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a ferry on which the hobbits escaped the ringwraiths?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Is it ever referred to as The Dark Tower?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it where Gandalf cast the Balrog into the Chasm?

[The Saucepan Man]

to Evisse and Saucepan man: it's not Shelob.

if you don't get the anwer your looking for you can simply ask the same question again.Paavo, doesn't that mean that you should have given separate answers to the questions that Evisse and I asked? I know that this was the last game, but I just want to be clear on the rules.

Anyway, as to Firefoot's clue:

Is it a mountain?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Is it an Elven bow?

[Thorongil]

Is it a Dwarf?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a river?

[paavo]

Paavo, doesn't that mean that you should have given separate answers to the questions that Evisse and I asked? I know that this was the last game, but I just want to be clear on the rules.



that's completely true. it just seemed that you were both after Shelob so I thought I'd answer to both of you. I did intend to say that if the answer doesn't satisfy you, just ask the same question again, but somehow I didn't.
sorry for the confusion :(

And Firefoot you are one shrewd woman ;) Brego is excatly what I was looking for! And I thought I was clever and would get the next letter... :)


EDIT: lets see how you manage this! is it a sword that talks?

[Firefoot]

It is not Buckleberry Ferry, Barad-dûr, Bridge of Khazad-dum, Bundushathur, Belthronding, Borin, the Brandywine River, or the Black Sword.

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a mystery?

[paavo]

It is not the Black Sword.
I give up! :)


is it the ME version of telegram?

[Firefoot]

It is not the Blue Wizards or the Beacons.

[paavo]

is it a soldier and a steward?

[Thorongil]

Is it a city?

[Firefoot]

It is not Beregond or Belegost.

[Evisse the Blue]

is it a singer?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Is it the son of a singer?

[Firefoot]

It is not Bëor (who sang when they reached Beleriand) or his son Baran.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a man in the fellowship who died protecting merry and pippin?

[paavo]

is it a mystery (at least partly)?

[Firefoot]

It is not Boromir and it is not Berúthiel's cats.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a man that shot smaug with a black arrow?

[Firefoot]

It is not Bard.

[Gil-Galad]

Is it a good easterling?

[Morsul the Dark]

is a fiery creature also known as flame of udun?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it the one who's oldest and fatherless?

[Gil-Galad]

Is it a Easterling from the First Age?

[Firefoot]

It is not Bór, a Balrog, Bombadil, or Brodda.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Is it a fast moving plant?

[Firefoot]

It's not Bregalad.

[The Perky Ent]

Is it a person who the ring has no effect on?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Is it a dwarvish dwelling on a mountain?

[Firefoot]

It's still not Bombadil. ;)

[paavo]

I forgot to tell that you are actually not allowed to ask a question with an answer which has already been asked. my bad. :(

can it be seen only by few?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a race?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it a ferry?

[Firefoot]

It's not Buckleberry Ferry or Burárum.

But I can't think of anything that is only seen by a few... my brain is fried. :p

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the place where the Anduin empty's?

[paavo]

The "Blue ring" AKA Vilya, which can only be seen by other rignbearers, is my answer. Next letter please. :p

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, let's get the rules straight here.

Firefoot has given the answer "Bombadil" three times and "Bucklebury Ferry" twice. Now, my understanding is that the same answer cannot be given more than once to the questions being asked by the guessers. That's why, for example, we can keep on asking "Is it a Dwarf?" and expect a different answer each time. If the person who has set the clue cannot give an answer, then he/she must ask the person who asked the question to give their answer. I presume that, if their answer is one which has previously been given, the game simply carries on.

So, in the case of "Bombadil" above, I think that "Is it the eldest and fatherless?" was asked twice and "Is it someone unaffected by the Ring?" was also asked (by The Perky Ent). So, in response to the second two of these questions, Firefoot should have asked the guessers to come up with their answers. Since I doubt that they would have come up with anything other than "Bombadil", the game would have carried on without Firefoot revealing another letter. However, if The Perky Ent could have come up with another 'B' answer for someone unaffected by the Ring, then Firefoot would have had to have given another letter.

Assuming that this analysis is correct, the person who has set the clue needs to keep in mind the answers already given and guessers should try to avoid asking a question to which the only answer (or at least the only answer that they can think of) is one which has already been given. (You can check the answers previously given quite easily by scrolling through the posts below the "Reply" box.)

Sorry for being such an anorak about this, but it's as well to make sure that the rules are clear, particularly as this seems to me to be a rather good game. Paavo, would you mind editing your first post to clarify the position on this point?

Anyway, on with the game ...

Is it a mountain?

[Firefoot]

The next letter is L.

It is not the Blue Mounains, and since the place where Anduin empties (Bay of Belfalas) does not start with "Bl", I suppose that makes that question not count.

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it an entrance?

[paavo]

thanks saucepan man, rule clarification was sure needed. I have now edited my first post and as you can see I have "borrowed" some of your text, since you put the rules in such intelligible form (something what I cannot do) :)

is it a place where only two hobbits have been?

[Firefoot]

It is neither the Black Gate nor the Black Land.

[Thorongil]

Is it a hobbit?

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it a king?

[Firefoot]

It is not the Black Captain.

I can't find any hobbits that start with Bl, so if you will provide your answer I will give you the next letter.

[Thorongil]

Is it Blanco, one of the first hobbits in the Shire?

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a group also known as the nine?

[Firefoot]

It is the Black Riders. Morsul, go ahead.

[Morsul the Dark]

finally :rolleyes:

begins with T

[Gil-Galad]

DId he slay a dragon?

[Morsul the Dark]

it isn't Turin

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the family from which Pippin comes from?

[Gil-Galad]

Did he live in Gondolin?

[Morsul the Dark]

it is not Took

Dont know the answer to Gil-Galad's

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the name Beren gave to Luthien?

[Gil-Galad]

was it a man that lived in gondolin

[Morsul the Dark]

don't know that one either here is a big hint

it isnt in the first or second age

and if i understand the rules

THI is the word so far

[Gil-Galad]

Is it the Lord of Doriath?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it a family of the men of bree?

[Morsul the Dark]

it is not thingol nor is it...fine

THIR short game heh... I prefer to be on the guessing side :p

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the age between the second and fourth?

[Morsul the Dark]

it is the third age

[Gil-Galad]

is it a man?

[The Perky Ent]

Um...Gil-Galad. I haven't given the letter yet, so I'm just gonna ignore that one.


The letter is....E!

[Firefoot]

Does it know all about runes?

[The Perky Ent]

Well, I don't think I know that one. And I think the rule is, if you can't guess it, you have to give the next letter.

So....El

[Gil-Galad]

is it a race?

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a half-elf from rivendell?

[The Perky Ent]

It is not elves or Elrond

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Is it an object?

[The Perky Ent]

It isn't elessar

[Firefoot]

Is it also known as Varda?

[The Perky Ent]

It isn't Elbereth

[paavo]

Well, I don't think I know that one. And I think the rule is, if you can't guess it, you have to give the next letter.



actually you have to wait for the asker to give the right answer before giving the next letter. since otherwise the asker could ask for the same answer with a slightly different question. I have edited this also in my first post.

[The Perky Ent]

ok, well, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter, since I've already given the next letter, but now i know.

[paavo]

is it someone who could be mistaken for a member of the Rohirrim?

[Firefoot]

The one that I had in mind was Elrond.

Is it another name for a tall mountain?

[Morsul the Dark]

is a brouche that Galadriel gave as a gift?

[The Perky Ent]

I thought that might have been it, but anyways....hmm. I'm stumped both ways. I can't get the mountain, unless you were going for Erebor, which I highly doubt. As for the mistaken Rohirrim, the only one I can think of is Eowyn, and that's not right. So, if you can, give me your answers, and we can get this over with.

[Firefoot]

Elerrina is another name for Taniquetil.

[The Perky Ent]

And unless you mean the phial of Earendil, then it's not Elfstone

[paavo]

my answer is Elrohir. Rohir could be translated "horse-lord" and thus Elrohir could be mistaken for a rider of rohan.

[The Perky Ent]

Well, here's the dead give away: Elo

[Firefoot]

Is it a tall tower where a palantir was placed?

[The Perky Ent]

Yes, it is Elostirion! Good job! Your go!

[The Saucepan Man]

Paavo is right. The game only works if, when the person setting the clue cannot answer a question, the question-asker gives the answer that they had in mind. Only when they have done so should the next letter be given. Otherwise people could ask questions to which there is no answer that fits and thereby get all the letters.

It would be best of people hold off from asking questions until the asker has given the answer that they had in mind and the next letter has been given. Otherwise it tends to get somewhat confusing.

[Firefoot]

Thanks. :)

Starts with an F.

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the un-loved one?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it one from a party of thirteen?

[paavo]

is it probably the biggest living thing in ME?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Is it an elvish name for men?

[Thorongil]

Is it a ringbearer?

[Firefoot]

It's not Faramir, Fíli, Flame of Udun, Frodo, or Fírimar.

[The Perky Ent]

Is it a forest?

[paavo]

is it probably the biggest living thing in ME? :)

EDIT: whops, forget that question, Perky ent probably has the same answer.

[Firefoot]

It is not Fangorn. :)

[paavo]

is it probably the most miserable from the four?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it a forest?

[Firefoot]

It is not Fredegar Bolger, and it is not Forest Under Night.

[paavo]

is it probably the most miserable from the four? :p

[Firefoot]

I had a feeling you would ask that again... and I have no idea.

[The Perky Ent]

Firefoot, which? Or are you stumped on both and need answers for both?

[Firefoot]

Just paavo's question. I gave another answer for your question two posts ago.

[The Perky Ent]

Ok, sorry about that! Anyways, is it a forest?

[paavo]

my brilliant answer is of course... *drums* the Fourth age!

[Firefoot]

*groans* That was a clever question. So the next letter is I.

Perky,It would be best of people hold off from asking questions until the asker has given the answer that they had in mind and the next letter has been given. Otherwise it tends to get somewhat confusing. So if your forest starts with "Fi", then you can ask your question again...

[paavo]

is it the shortest of the four? (ok, this is probably not so difficult anymore :) )

[The Perky Ent]

Ok. Sorry. Anyways, Is it a forest?

[paavo]

wow, you sure do like forests, perky ent. :D

[The Perky Ent]

Well I am an ent, paavo ;)

[Firefoot]

It is not Firien Wood, and it is not the First Age.

Is that the Forest you wanted? ;)

[The Perky Ent]

Yes it was! Anyways, is it a son of Finwë?

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it a son of Finwe who crossed the Helcaraxe? ;)

[Firefoot]

It's not Finarfin and...

Oh, Saucepan, you would figure it out, wouldn't you? Yes, it is Fingolfin.

[The Perky Ent]

D'oh! Beaten on a technicality. So, even if it's a right question, you can refuse it if there's another possibility? Ouch! That's makes it harder. Oh well, I'll just have to try harder!

[The Saucepan Man]

... although I nearly asked whether it was a son of Finwe who turned back. :eek: So it was a 50/50 chance. :D

OK. The next letter is 'M'.

Ask away ...

[Firefoot]

Is it also known as "Mornan"?

[The Saucepan Man]

You had me using Google there. Think I've got it.

No, it's not Morthond Vale.

[Firefoot]

Easy? Me? Nah. ;)

Does it have white horses?

[The Saucepan Man]

... it's not the Mearas.

[Firefoot]

Does it have white horses?

[The Saucepan Man]

How did I know that you were going to ask that again? ;)

It's not the Mark.

[Firefoot]

Does it have white horses?

[Gil-Galad]

Is it a person of evil

[Morsul the Dark]

is a a valor who was locked in chains but escaped?

[The Saucepan Man]

... but I think that I'm on your wavelength now.

It's not Mouth (thinking of the riddle game).

Gil-Galad, it's not Mauhur.

And Morsul, it's not Morgoth.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it a person named melkos?

[The Saucepan Man]

No, it's not Melkor either. :D

Edit: I'm away 'til Sunday now. Keep asking away, but I won't be able to answer until then.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it the land where baradur lies?

[The Perky Ent]

Is the the one who came back?

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, I'll just answer those, then I'm off.

It's neither Mordor nor Mithrandir (the one of the Istari that we know returned to Aman).

[The Perky Ent]

Is it where they found the survivor?

[Morsul the Dark]

is it no mine it is a tomb

[Thorongil]

Is it one who came back?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it an enemy of the Enemy?

[Fingolfin II]

Is it a town in the Shire?

[Firefoot]

Does it have white horses?

[paavo]

is it something that people came to see from afar places, but not a single man has seen it?

[Fingolfin II]

Is it a steward of Gondor?

[Gil-Galad]

is it an elvish realm?

[The Saucepan Man]

Goodness, me. I go away for a couple of days and come back to face all these tricksy questions!

Oh well, I shall do my best ...


Is it where they found the survivor?It's not the Misty Mountains (I'm thinking of Celebrian, but you probably have something different in mind).


is it no mine it is a tombIt's not Moria.


Is it one who came back?Hmm, this one again. Well, this time it's not Melian (who returned to Aman following the death of Thingol).


Is it an enemy of the Enemy?It's not Meriadoc Brandybuck.


Is it a town in the Shire?It's not Michel Delving.


Does it have white horses?Gah! I was hoping not to have to see this question again. It's not Meduseld (white horse banners).


is it something that people came to see from afar places, but not a single man has seen it?It's not the Master-Stone (of the Palantiri).


Is it a steward of Gondor?It's not Mardil Voronwe.


is it an elvish realm?It's not Mithlond.

I have a horrible feeling that I am going to see some of those questions again. I also have a horrible feeling that I am just staving off the inevitable, and that I will be forced to reveal the next 2 or 3 letters very soon ... :rolleyes: :D

[Evisse the Blue]

I have a horrible feeling that I am going to see some of those questions again.Hahaha! Yes:

Is it an enemy of the Enemy, that the Elves are glad to see?

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it an enemy of the Enemy, that the Elves are glad to see?Are you implying that Elves aren't glad to see Merry? ;)

Evisse, you're not thinking of Mithrandir, are you? I gave him as the answer to an earlier question.

Assuming that you are not, who could it be? Malach Aradan? He spent a lot of time with Elves.

Well, it's not Malach Aradan. :D

[The Perky Ent]

Is it where they found the survivor?

[Morsul the Dark]

is it manwe?

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Is it a secondary river in Beleriand?

[Firefoot]

Does it have white horses?

[Evisse the Blue]

Are you implying that Elves aren't glad to see Merry? *LOL* No - far from it. But you have to admit they're not exactly beside themselves with delight when they meet him - or any hobbits, for that matter :D :p
But still I haven't found my answer. So:

Is it an enemy of the Enemy whom the Elves are glad to see?

[Thorongil]

Is it golden?

[paavo]

is it something that people came to see from afar places, but not a single man has seen it?

[The Saucepan Man]

You people and your pesky questions! :D


Is it where they found the survivor?It is not Minas Tirith (where Luthien and Huan found Beren).


is it manwe?Nope.


Is it a secondary river in Beleriand?It is not the Mindeb.


Does it have white horses?By Jove, I think that I may have got it at last! :eek: It is not the Moon.


Is it an enemy of the Enemy whom the Elves are glad to see?Hopefully this one too. It is not Minastir.


Is it golden?It is not a Mallorn Tree.


is it something that people came to see from afar places, but not a single man has seen it?Ulp! I think that I am going to have to call you on this one, paavo. :rolleyes: What is your answer?

[Morsul the Dark]

is it the race doomed to die which according to Elrond is weak?

[The Perky Ent]

Hate to say it again, but it works ;) Is it where they found the survivor?

[Fingolfin II]

Is it a holy mountain that existed in Numenor?

[Evisse the Blue]

Hold yer horses! :)

It would be best of people hold off from asking questions until the asker has given the answer that they had in mind and the next letter has been given. Otherwise it tends to get somewhat confusing.

So we're supposed to wait until paavo answers his question and Saucepan gives the next letter. Afterwards, some of the questions we're asking now, may not even apply.

[The Saucepan Man]

Once paavo gives his answer, I will give the next letter. You can then decide whether your question still applies or whether you need to ask a different one.

It occurs to me that giving into questions in this way can be a good tactical move, as it may allow me to avoid having to try to answer questions which I know will come up again but for which I have no answer. :p ;)

You know paavo, this really is a good game. :)

[paavo]

to tell you the truth saucepan man, you already answered to my question. :)
the word I was looking for was Mallorn. Not Mallorn generally but the Mallorn Sam got from galadriel and planted in the shire. I suppose no man ever saw since "big folk" were forbidden to enter inside the shire.


thanks. :) I like this game too, I've been playing it with my family for years (although not ME related).

[The Saucepan Man]

Darn it! That means I have to answer Perky's question again. :( ;)

OK, here we go:


is it the race doomed to die which according to Elrond is weak?It is not Men.


Is it where they found the survivor?It is not the Mound of the Elf-Maid (where Nienor was found).


Is it a holy mountain that existed in Numenor?It is not Meneltarma.

Keep 'em coming. :)

[paavo]

has he no fear?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it an enemy of the Enemy which the Elves are glad to see?

[The Saucepan Man]

has he no fear?It is not Mandos (can't see him fearing much).


Is it an enemy of the Enemy which the Elves are glad to see?OK, Evisse, I yield. :rolleyes: :D What's your answer?

[Evisse the Blue]

My answer is Menelvagor - the constellation. It had a special significance to the Elves, who sang when it appeared in the sky - as it reminded them of the final battle. More than that, it's mentioned that he represents Turin, who will fight with Melkor at that final battle, so he's the enemy of the Enemy.

[The Saucepan Man]

Good one, Evisse. :)

OK, the next letter is 'A'.

Hopefully, that should make things a lot easier for me as well as you lot. :rolleyes: :D

[Evisse the Blue]

Teacher of the skilled?

[paavo]

since the next letter is 'A' I can repeat my question! has he no fear? :)

[Firefoot]

Ah, you found me out at last.

Is it a yellow flower?

[Morsul the Dark]

im out except for this one

is it a charactor in a song sung by frodo at the prancing pony?

[The Saucepan Man]

Teacher of the skilled?It is not Mahtan.


since the next letter is 'A' I can repeat my question! has he no fear?Double Doh! OK, no books to hand, so I'm gonna say ... it's not the Master of Doom (as Turambar doesn't seem the sort to scare easily :rolleyes: :D ).


Ah, you found me out at last.

Is it a yellow flower?Took some effort, though. :) It's not Mallos.


is it a charactor in a song sung by frodo at the prancing pony?It's not the Man in the Moon.

[Morsul the Dark]

is it Sam's nickname when he gets the ring according to the chapter title

[Firefoot]

Is it a character who loved the Princess Shepherdess?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the keeper of the slain?

[paavo]

has he no fear? :p

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it a place?

[The Saucepan Man]

I'll come back to this when I have my books to hand. :rolleyes:

[The Perky Ent]

Take your time, Saucepan! We're not going anywhere :rolleyes:

[The Saucepan Man]

is it Sam's nickname when he gets the ring according to the chapter titleIt's not Master Samwise.


Is it a character who loved the Princess Shepherdess?It's not Mamandil.


Is it the keeper of the slain?It's not a Master of Spirits.


has he no fear?Hmm, there are a number of names that I could give, but they would all be guesses. So I'm going to have to call you again, paavo. What's your answer?


Is it a place?It's not Maglor's Gap.

[Fingolfin II]

Is it the creator of a race?

[paavo]

my answer is Master aka Tom bombadil.

"No one has ever caught old Tom walking in the forest, wading in the water, leaping on the hill-tops under light and shadow. He has no fear. Tom Bombadil is master."
from "in the house of Tom bombadil"

[The Saucepan Man]

Well done, paavo. You have forcibly extracted the next letter from me. :D

It is 'R'.

Fingolfin II, it's up to you whether you want to put your question again.

[paavo]

Well done, paavo. You have forcibly extracted the next letter from me. :D



my pleasure. :D

is it highest of the three?

[Firefoot]

Is he called the faithful?

[Morsul the Dark]

is it the end of this phrase Eriol the ________?

[The Perky Ent]

Is it the founder?