'Top' Reputation Givers

[The Barrow-Wight]

Based on a complicated formula*, I have come up with the following list of ’Top’ Reputation Givers. The number in parenthesis is the user’s score. Notice who is well in the lead.

Compiled 18 October, 2004 by The Barrow-Wight

HerenIstarion (3.04)
mark12_30 (1.03)
Child of the Seventh Age (0.95)
Estelyn Telcontar (0.59)
The Barrow-Wight (0.56)
piosenniel (0.50)
Bêthberry (0.46)
Mister Underhill (0.35)
The Saucepan Man (0.31)
Evisse the Blue (0.19)
Mithadan (0.15)
davem (0.15)
Fordim Hedgethistle (0.13)
Nilpaurion Felagund (0.08)
Nurumaiel (0.08)
Guinevere (0.07)
Amanadial the Archer (0.07)
Eomer of the Rohirim (0.06)
Diamond 18 (0.06)
Lush (0.05)


* The formula (for those who don’t mind a little algebra)
(total points given by user / total reputations given by user) * ((total points given by all users / total points given by user) + (total reputations given by all users / total reputations given by user))

This forumula does not attempt the assess the accuracy of reputations given. It only tells who gives the most postive ones, on average!

[Elennar Starfire]

Fascinating! One wonders how often this is likely to be updated?

[Imladris]

Can you find out who gives the most negative ones?

[Firefoot]

Do we want to know who gives out the most negative ones? ;)

[Neferchoirwen]

HI and Mark. I am not at all surprised *raises a pint to both*

I haven't been giving reputations out recently. I ought to do that more often.

*goes on a rep giving spree*

[rutslegolas]

Congrats HI

Ummm. Negative reps thats a intresting idea Imladris ,can we find that ??

* Thinks * Why can't we give reputation points to oneself ?? :D :D

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Good job, BW - a great idea! Now it is blessed to give! ;) Although I didn't need statistics to know who'd be at the top - HI da man! :cool:

[Diamond18]

I'm not sure if I should be proud to be on the list or ashamed to be last on the list. :rolleyes: :p Actually to tell the truth I am surprised to see my name; if I'm one of the top givers the rest of you "below" me really need to shape up. :D

Or, as I like to think of it, take time to stop and smell the posts....

[The Barrow-Wight]

Actually you are not last, you are 19th. Somehow I forgot to add the 20th top name. It's on there now!

[Mithalwen]

Not a surprise... while others are kind, HI is absurdly generous... but it is a nice example to set :D

[Bêthberry]

What this also suggests is that the reputations as they now stand tend to represent HI's preferences, given his tremendous lead over the rest of us reppers, especially given how 'weighty' this 'wight's' weight is. Not a bad judgement at all to have shaping the system, in my opinion. :D

[Lalaith]

Sorry to be so rubbish at algebra, but can I ask one thing: does the formula take into account the much greater number of points those members who have attained the wisdom of Gandalf give, each time they approve a post, compared to, say, adventure-path starters?

[The Barrow-Wight]

Yes, indirectly. It does use a person's point total, but it factors that with how many reputations they have given and computes that against the averages of all members who have given reputation. In other words, HerenIstarion scored the highest partly because he has some weight in giving reputations, but mostly because he gave so many (all with comments, too!).

[Lush]

I actually somehow made it onto this thing? Wow. :D

For the record, I really enjoy commenting on good posts. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm being constantly distracted away from the forum by the ridiculous demands of something called an "adult" existence, I'd probably comment more.

Heren, you're the liveliest dead body on this forum right now. Must feel pretty sweet. :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It comes as no surprise to see Heren at the top of this list, that crazy son of a gun's even rated me several times! :eek:

I would ask one thing of the list though Barrow-wight. For two barrowdowners with the same 'score' is there a particular reason for one being above the other, or is it purely because one needs to be? I merely wonder why I am 18th and not 19th in this list.

But clever work. And I had noticed that the spectre of mathematics was creeping ever towards the centre of the website in recent times. I wish I had worked harder in school now, I might be able to keep up.

[mark12_30]

I would hazard a guess, Eomer, that although the Wight has here rounded the data to two decimal places (a polite display), the results were probably stored in single-precision variables (seven places after the decimal) or double-precision (fourteen places after the decimal.)

You could just go on a rating spree. It's fun.

I make it a goal that when an under-rated, respectable old-timer casually revisits the Downs, I hunt for a good recent post (or even a good old one) and rate it. Obloquy was one of my more recent triumphs; a quiet chap, but I caught him.

Now if only lindil were around more often...

[Mithalwen]

Yes, I feel rather guilty that I am in some kind of "negative equity" situation ...

[Amanaduial the archer]

Do we want to know who gives out the most negative ones? ;)
Ooh, name and shame time! ;)

I was quite surprised I was there actually - not sure I expected to be: I don't rate as much as I possibly might because I pretty much live in The Shire, so I only have a limited number of people I might rate, and obviously you can't multiply rate within a short time without going on a mad rating spree. But it doesn't surprise me in the least that Heren is first :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Decimal places eh? Now why didn't I think about that? Oh wait, don't bother to answer that question. :rolleyes:

I was just beginning to wonder if it was because I beat Diamond in that impromptu dance contest a while back, and thus I was awarded the higher place due to those extra talents. But your suggestion mark, is possibly more sensible.

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

As always BW you amaze and delight. I am not a math whiz but I think I get the gist of the current system.

I really must work to move up the list however!

[Diamond18]

I was just beginning to wonder if it was because I beat Diamond in that impromptu dance contest a while back, and thus I was awarded the higher place due to those extra talents.

I have no recollection of this. Perhaps the shame prompted me to suppress the memory?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Maybe I imagined it. It seemed to fit right into the little question I had earlier but (though the Wight has yet to confirm this) the following reasoning seemed acceptable.

As I recall we were both very good, but, thanks to a disputed call by the Russian officials, I was awarded the win.

[Mithalwen]

Well there are three other ties - Although it is almost a pity that Davem and Fordim aren't one of them... I do always have a quick look and see "who is the leader at this point" in the input rep stakes..

[Encaitare]

I really must work to move up the list however!

Being at the top of one list not good enough for you, eh, Fordim? ;) :p :D

[Boromir88]

The BW, I agree with everyone, brilliant idea on this recent thread. I pity you for having to figure out everyone, I want to ask one thing, if it's not too much trouble. Is there a way the people not on the Top 20 could view their own reputation giving, to see where we stand? Like is it in our User CP, or what not. And if not, don't bother, I was just wondering, thanks.

-B88-

[The Barrow-Wight]

There were no ties. The numbers you see are indeed rounded numbers, because the actual results of the formula resulted in a lot of numbers behind the decimal point. Once you get behind the top twenty, the differences between places become less and less, so that they are finally only a thousandth or a tenthousandth apart. For example, The difference between 40th place and 41st was only .0006.

I didn't actually have to do the figuring. All I did was create a small script that would read all reputations into a table, which I cut and pasted into an Excel spreadsheet. Then I created the forumulas and Excel did the rest. There is no way for you to look up your own result to this formula. Sorry.

[Boromir88]

That's fine, it will just have to remain a secret :) .

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

I didn't actually have to do the figuring. All I did was create a small script that would read all reputations into a table, which I cut and pasted into an Excel spreadsheet. Then I created the forumulas and Excel did the rest.

Oh, well, that's all you did, is it? For a moment there I thought that you had gone and done something very clever. . .but if all you did was write a script-thingee that was able to tablize the reps, so that you could just whip up a few, no doubt, childishly simple formulas. . .I mean, who couldn't do all those things?

And after that, I suppose, you "merely" finished the cold fusion generator in your basement?

[Mithalwen]

There were no ties. The numbers you see are indeed rounded numbers, because the actual results of the formula resulted in a lot of numbers behind the decimal point. Once you get behind the top twenty, the differences between places become less and less, so that they are finally only a thousandth or a tenthousandth apart. For example, The difference between 40th place and 41st was only .0006.



Oh well as a bean-counter, I don't generally venture further than 2 decimal places myself... and I think there is a circle of hell reserved for people who calculate vat to more and cause rounding differences grrrrrrr...

Still think Fordim needs more outlets for his competitive streak though. But not duelling...

[Sapphire_Flame]

A very cool thing to figure out. Thanks, BW!

And hugs for all you reputation givers; you're such great people. *mwah!*

Abedithon le,

~ Saphy ~

[The Barrow-Wight]

When I run the same formula with data from only the last 30 days, the list changes somewhat.

Top Reputation Givers for the last 30 days
Compiled 22 October, 2004 by The Barrow-Wight

HerenIstarion (1.96635) no change
Estelyn Telcontar (1.57152) +2
mark12_30 (1.37750) -1
piosenniel (1.14201) +2
Child of the Seventh Age (1.02781) -2
Bêthberry (0.75610) +1
Fordim Hedgethistle (0.50716) +6
The Saucepan Man (0.37717) no change
davem (0.32443) +4
The Barrow-Wight (0.31713) -4
Evisse the Blue (0.28750) no change
Nilpaurion Felagund (0.21804) +3
Mithadan (0.18122) -1
Imladris (0.16613) new
Firefoot (0.16353) new
Mithalwen (0.13740) new
Mister Underhill (0.09061) -10
Boromir88 (0.08920) new
Lalwendë (0.08339) new
Son of Númenor (0.06796) new


This used the same formula but only included reps given in the last 30 days. Names that are underlined did not appear on the all-time list. Those names above them need to watch out, because they are moving up fast! :) Our fastest climbers are Fordim Hedgethistle and davem. Our dropping fasts are Mister Underhill and me! :eek:

[Boromir88]

Ahh, now that list makes more sense to me, since I really just kind of figured out how to give reputation some 2 months ago. I'm slowly but surely finding out all the nicks and crannies, of this wonderful forum :) .

[The Saucepan Man]

What we really need is lots more tables like this, so as to keep Professors Hedgethistle and davem fully occupied in their attempts to top them. ;) :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Barrow-wight, are you going to update this every month or whatever? Because that is only going to encourage people to rate just about every post they see.

*subliminal note, rate this post*

[Mithalwen]

Oh I feel less guilty now.....less parasitic. But it was ages before I noticed the rep thingy ... I was so surprised when I looked at the CP and found comments lol ....

I think it will just be an incentive to take the trouble to encourage good posting, and perhaps try to widen the range ... I don't keep a record of whom I rep but so often I get told to spread it around.It is not intentional. Just the same people tend to crop up on the same boards.

[The Only Real Estel]

Barrow-wight, are you going to update this every month or whatever? Because that is only going to encourage people to rate just about every post they see

A concern I share. It's all well & good to rate posts, & I like this newest invention the BW has come up with. But there's a difference between wanting to get high up on the list, so you go browsing for great posts to rate, & wanting to get high up on the list, so you go rating just about every post you see. If people start rating just about everything (not that anyone on a site such as the Barrowdowns would ;)) than it greatly cheapens the worth of any & all reputation points received.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok, I really want to know who the anonymous rater of my above post was, because that's very amusing to me. All convenient/ironic comments on the content aside, it was a fabulous post and well worth the rating. :D

On an aside, I have noticed that I have been getting rated a lot more recently. I do wonder, sadly, if it's because of this thread rather than anything I bring to the forum. :(

[Mithalwen]

Maybe they just want to show their appreciation..... but as long as people leave their names youwill know if they are stalkers, rating-grabbers or true fans .. or in some cases screaming fan girls... ;)


May be we need an honesty box for returning points we feel we don't deserve .....

[mark12_30]

Studying the second list a bit more, I now realise that the numbers in parenthesis are indicators of slip or gain in *position on the list*, and not increase or decrease in the person's own rate-of-rating :p .

[Mithalwen]

Yes, it is like what my dear Mamma would have quaintly called the "hit parade" rather than the FTSE / Dow Jones ...

[Boromir88]

I will admit, that I tend to give reputation to the people who have already given me reputation, or atleast I'm more lenient to the people who have already given me reputation :) . Oh of course it's still a good post, yes, of course lol.

I don't think any of the long standing members, or the more frequent posters (Estelyn, Fordhim, Mith, SpM...etc) will have any problems with the reputation, since I all trust you can control yourselves lol. But, I think maybe some of as Mithalwen put it the "fangurls" might go reputation crazy. And also as Mithalwen pointed out, I know I leave my name (and from the reputations I got most people have left their name) so it's fairly easy to tell.

[mark12_30]

The 'fangirl' list might be amusing, but I don't think it's a big risk here. You do have to hit nine others before you can repeat. Anybody consistently swooning over the same ten people? (And do you leave your name?)

Of course, nobody has joined with the name RoggieOfMorgoth lately; no telling what might happen. Especially with the right eyeliner.

[HerenIstarion]

Am I? um... who would have thought :eek:

But my giving rate is on down-curve right now - a bit busy, I am, no posts, I read, so you'll have the chance to catch on me ;)

cheers

[Mithalwen]

The 'fangirl' list might be amusing, but I don't think it's a big risk here. You do have to hit nine others before you can repeat. Anybody consistently swooning over the same ten people? (And do you leave your name?)

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I don't keep a record of who I rep but quite a lot of time I get told to spread it around... so while I don't swoon, it does seem that if I find a person's posting enlightening / amusing once, I am likely to find other of their posts enlightening/ amusing. I also tend to spend most of my time in the same areas - so that is why I think this can be seen very positively as a reminder to look further afield. Particularly since I have benefitted so much from the encouragement of longer established downers, I am trying to make the effort to encourage good new posting when I come across it. This is a very serious forum at it's highest level and even though I have been reading Tolkien on and off for over 20 years, it was quite daunting starting to post here; receiving a few points was a real confidence boost (sorry Fordim ;) ).

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

(sorry Fordim ;) ).

Erm. . .for what?

[Mithalwen]

Use of the word boost ( other than in the sense of intending to permanently deprive someone of something ) :D

[Bêthberry]

Mithalwen posted:

I don't keep a record of who I rep but quite a lot of time I get told to spread it around... so while I don't swoon, it does seem that if I find a person's posting enlightening / amusing once, I am likely to find other of their posts enlightening/ amusing. I also tend to spend most of my time in the same areas - so that is why I think this can be seen very positively as a reminder to look further afield.

Well, I'm not swooning but I do want to rep a post of Esty's and I had recently given her a rep. I have been looking over old threads for posts to rep so I can again rep her but each time I try I still get the message to 'spread it around more'. I guess I should start counting the reps I give out. :D

I know that I really value the reps I receive as often I think I have a slightly off-base way of looking at Tolkien and so it is good to know that not everyone thinks I'm off the wall. Well, not my friends at least. :p ;)

[Mithalwen]

I would second that.. often a post will cause a new (to me) thought to occur and I post it without taking it away for careful examination first. So if I find a rep or a PM the next day it shows I haven't merely "gone off on one". And it isn't the points ... the comments of those who have no points to give are valued.

[The Only Real Estel]

Well, I'm not swooning but I do want to rep a post of Esty's and I had recently given her a rep. I have been looking over old threads for posts to rep so I can again rep her but each time I try I still get the message to 'spread it around more'

Yeah, that has happened to me a few times. A little annoying at times that you have to search for posts to rate just to be able to rate a post you really liked, but not to bad. Besides, I understand the reasoning behind it-this way two school buds can't plot to vault eachother past Fordim & Davem. :D

[Boromir88]

A little annoying at times that you have to search for posts to rate just to be able to rate a post you really liked, but not to bad.

Tis very true.

This is a very serious forum at it's highest level and even though I have been reading Tolkien on and off for over 20 years, it was quite daunting starting to post here; receiving a few points was a real confidence boost (sorry Fordim ).

Quite true, Mith, when I was bored one day so I just went looking for my very first posts I made on this forum, and now I look at what I'm posting today, wow. Same with, that I've been into Tolkien for some 20 years now, and I only started to reread them just now, since it's becoming more popular. I didn't have the pleasure of seeing my first points lol, I didn't discover I had a User CP until 6, or even less months ago, lol.

[HerenIstarion]

Well, you've read the title and are warned. On with the matter than:

I just went looking for my very first posts I made on this forum

Um, that'd be an advice: in case in some distant or near future, when you're well past your 500th post, you feel the urge to see your first post again, make bookmarks of them now, as the software we are now employing on the fora does not allow to search for more than recent 500 of any user's posts.

On topic:

alas, nothing to add. Or, no, wait! Yeah, um... ahem... fangirls, you say? Where would one, um... look, er, for them? I'm sure you don't think I need any, that for my friend's sake I'm asking, um, and he's, it should be added, he's...er... curios out of, um... scientific interest, yes, nothing more, definitely...

Or was that off-topic as well?

[mark12_30]

H-I-- change your screen name to Roggie of Morgoth. And wear lots and lots of flame-proof eyeliner.

"Oooo, he's so hot."

Come on, who could resist a hottie like that?

Do be careful, however, because there are those at The Downs who resist balrog-swooning on principle. I believe Bethberry tops the list. Do not incur her wrath, or she will pursue you from the depths of Moria to the peak of Zirak Zigil til she smites your ruin on the mountainside.

[HerenIstarion]

H-I-- change your screen name to Roggie of Morgoth. And wear lots and lots of flame-proof eyeliner.

Surely, you mean my friend, that with high level of scientific curiosity should do that :D

thanks for the advice, though, I'll let him know right away!

[Roggie of Morgoth]

I'm come, and I have tons of... er, wossname? Ah, yes, flame-proof eyeliner on, everywhere, even my fingernails are painted black!

So, show me the species I'm scientifically interested in!

Um, do you mind partying in a lab?


PS by the master of puppets behind Roggie

Every person in sight should rep this here post negative for being off-topic, off-Tolkien and generally silly. Or maybe send Roggie warning PMs, which he would not read, as I'd be too lazy to log off and re-log on once so often

Roggie Of Morgoth wan't be posting again anyways. H-I will take care of that :D

[Bêthberry]

Helen posted:
Do be careful, however, because there are those at The Downs who resist balrog-swooning on principle. I believe Bethberry tops the list. Do not incur her wrath, or she will pursue you from the depths of Moria to the peak of Zirak Zigil til she smites your ruin on the mountainside.


Now, now, now. Helen. I see you have contributed to the delinquency of someone as we now have a Roggie of Morgoth (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/member.php?u=4264) registered and online.

But you really must qualify your comments about my anti-swoon crusade. If the swooning is done with wit and cleverness and intelligence--in short, if it is done with the highest standards of Truth and Good Art--why, I don't see that it should lead us to the spiralling depths of darkness where we would be overrun with fangirls. It might even hold out some hopefulness that some fangirls might find some level on the path to Transcendence, depending on how well those (eye)lines are drawn.

EDIT (See, HI, I make my reason clear): The culprit has beaten me to the post. ;) "But at my back, I always hear, the wings of HerenIstarion hurrying near." Apologies to Turambar and Rimbaud. :p

And those wings had best be repping again soon or Helen will become our top reputation giver. :D

[Mithalwen]

*cue a legolas moment* "Aieeeeee a balrog is come...a balrog of Morgoth. scourge of our people!!!!"


I think Roggie should visit regularly ... and definitely get a sig :

[mark12_30]

Nay, my good and dear Mithalwen, the cry is to be rendered thus:

AIIII! AIII! THE BETHBERRY! THE BETHBERRY HAS COME!

Helen, with Bethberry's good and true blade-hilt artistically protruding from her sternum, keels over in a dead swoon. Her arm, flung by the force of her fall, lifelessly points to Roggie Of Morgoth's eyeliner, which despite all claims on the packaging has begun to smoulder around the edges. Roggie looks down on the lifeless form, and with a sigh of regret, sends a glare towards Helen's Bane, who comes to retrieve her blade.

"You could have let her write one good swoon-post. Just one, " he mutters, and stomps off, swiping his whip-handle at his smouldering eyeliner. "Get this stuff off of me. Where's that Mirrormere again? Outside? Drat. Another forest fire, and I'm the one that gets cursed for it."

[Boromir88]

I sit back, read this, and laugh, and just wonder how we come up with some of the discussions we have on the downs, it's just mind boggling.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Let's get back on topic, please. We are wandering.

[The Saucepan Man]

I must admit that I am somewhat alarmed at the concept that one person, or a handful of people, can or should determine what is "good" on the Downs. From a personal point of view, I fully applaud HI's taste, but I do not accept the principle. By which I mean that, in my humble opinion, the Reputation list should reflect the views of all members (or all currently active members at least), not just one or two, and we cannot expect everyone to have the time or inclination to search through a myriad of posts in order to award sufficent reputation to enable them to go back and rep a particular post that tickled their fancy.

If I see a post which I react favourably to but cannot rep because I have repped the poster recently, then I simply don't rep it. Chances are that I will rep another of that person's posts later when I am able to. Equally, I accept that not everyone who likes one of my posts will be able to rep it if they have repped me recently. To my mind, that's simply a function of the system.

[HerenIstarion]

If I see a post which I react favourably to but cannot rep because I have repped the poster recently, then I simply don't rep it.

Maybe it can be stored by bookmarking it? You can go back to it later, when you've 'spread' sufficient amount of reputation 'around'. Than your time is saved - you don't need to rep other ten posts right now on the spot, and quality of reputation-giving is preserved as well, for eagerness to rate what you liked may make you rate what you've barely read. I remember having mere remark of mine positively (and anonimously) rated, and comments read that it was done in a hurry with the goal of rating other post by other user in mind. Better have to-do list, I reckon :)

Master Architect (I was flattered, really) re: I believe you don't blame me for that?! But, kidding apart, even with high reputing ratio, I don't think it is or ever may be entirely my or any one person's 'doing'. Poetic exaggeration it was rather :). It may have been if all but one promised to abstain from reputing at all, but that would not happen.

Roggie re: Maybe he'll reappear in RPG, if I ever get fired from this dratted office and have more time. That's not a promise, mind you

[The Saucepan Man]

Maybe it can be stored by bookmarking it? You can go back to it later, when you've 'spread' sufficient amount of reputation 'around'.You can bookmark posts? How do you do that then? Nevertheless, given the general high quality of posting, it could still become rather time-consuming keeping up. The kinds of posters that I am talking about generate rather a substantial volume of good posts. And I do prefer to spread the rep points that I give around, rather than simply rating the same people again and again (good though their posts generally are).


But, kidding apart, even with high reputing ratio, I don't think it is or ever may be entirely my or any one person's 'doing'.True. But, when one or a few people are rating at a much higher rate than anyone else, it will "skew" (for want of a better word) the result.

[Imladris]

You can bookmark posts? How do you do that then?

For those of you cursed with a Windows computer and blessed with Firefox, you can right click the post number and push bookmark page. Or you can just click the Post Number link and bookmark just like any other web page.

[Bêthberry]

The Saucepan Man posted:
True. But, when one or a few people are rating at a much higher rate than anyone else, it will "skew" (for want of a better word) the result.

No different, really, than any election in a democracy. Those who choose not to vote lose a chance to influence the results. Rather than skewering the 'skewer' ;) wouldn't it better to prod others to participate? I think it was HerenIstarion's enthusiasm which helped get the system going. Sometimes people are shy of new 'technology' and need to see how it can be used before venturing forth themselves with it.

For my part, I had a very good reason for wanting to rep Esty again so quickly and this was not something which would occur regularly. I had wanted to remember Esty's post which I could not yet rep in particular because of its topic: a reference to her fanfiction about Folco, something that I could not rep any other way. I wanted Esty to know that her 'canonical writing' (as opposed to her 'parodic writing') was being recognised. :D

posted again by Sauce
And I do prefer to spread the rep points that I give around, rather than simply rating the same people again and again (good though their posts generally are).

As do I, especially with the newer members. Once reason why I sometimes look through older threads, in addition to the good reading material they provide, is to find other Downers who might not be participating in "this week's hot topic" but who nonetheless do contribute substantially to the Downs. Especially when there is now such a big spread in 'points' I think it is well to recognise those deserving members who have just joined or who post less frequently. (Note I say 'deserving.' I don't 'spread it around' indiscriminately.)

[The Saucepan Man]

No different, really, than any election in a democracy. Those who choose not to vote lose a chance to influence the results. I totally accept your second sentence. Those who choose not to rep have to accept that others will determine the outcome. But in an election, if you choose to vote then your vote counts as much as any other person who chooses to vote. Whereas our system allows for one or more members to make their votes, and thus their opinions, to count for more by virtue of "energetic" repping.

I certainly agree that people should be encouraged to rep a post whenever they feel the inclination to do so. But I have some reservations about people going out of their way (and being encouraged to go out of their way) to do so. Because, for perfectly valid reasons, not everyone has the time or inclination to do so.

Ultimately, though, I do not have any problems with the way in which the Rep table is developing (how could I? ;) ), and I think that it it is generally a very good and worthwhile system. It is, however, as well to acknowledge that, if certain members tend to rep much more than others, then the results will be skewed towards their tastes.

[HerenIstarion]

Whereas our system allows for one or more members to make their votes, and thus their opinions, to count for more by virtue of "energetic" repping

That true as well. But 'energetic' repping brings people to have more reputing/rating power than they originally had. The more I raise somebody's point score, the more points they themselves can give out. After all, each little square counts for one point power (?). Per instance, when the whole system was launched, my power must have been some six or seven, merely cause I've been around for so long, and posted so much. Now it is twelve (?). People who used to rate with 2 points now give 7, 8 or even 9. In addition to one point for each year of membership, one for every thousand of posts and what with that fourth dimension called time, I believe system tends to average, given that participants do not slack too much.

Besides, again, it is not my fault :p . Do you suggest I or somebody who is equally 'energetic' stop rating cause some anonymous 'shy guys' do not rate as much? :eek: I can't issue a bill for them to 'start rating this instant!', but it would not work other way round either :smokin:

[Lhunardawen]

Has anyone else noticed that most of the top rep givers are also the top rep receivers? Does it help improve your reputation, then, if you keep on giving well-deserved reps with your name signed, ceteris paribus (i.e. keep on posting sensible posts)? Just wondering...ignore me... :rolleyes:

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I think the factor of representative voting should be considered as well. Almost every survey is taken to be accurate, though only a fraction of the population is asked for an opinion, since each vote counts for many others. Those who have stayed around here long enough to pack some punch with their rep giving are normally those who are familiar with the spirit of the Downs and have indeed contributed to it substantially - otherwise they wouldn't still be here! I consider their votes representative for others who do not give out points as often. I doubt that there would be much difference if every active member rated every post - but as in every democratic system, those who are dissatisfied need to speak up and be heard!

[Fordim Hedgethistle]

Well, herm, I've been wanting to say something about this for a few days but it might prove a bit. . .that is, I don't want to appear. . .hoom hoom baroom boom. . .it's a bit awkward, but. . .well. . .the thing is. . .you see. . .I rather like the system the way it is, but not, you know, because I've been the fortunate recipient of so much encouragement!

For the reasons that Esty gives above, I think that the weighting system makes a certain amount of sense, and for the reasons H-I gives above I think that we should be encouraging people to rep more often.

I also agree with Saucy though that we don't want to encourage spurious posting just to get through enough that we can rep a particular post again. If I try to rep a post but find I cannot, then, well, like Sauce I just figure that another post from that person will come around. I do try to send off a PM though, to let the person know how much I liked the post.

I tend to be a rather streaky repper, however. I rep irregularly for a week or so, then sit myself down for an hour of Downs time with the express purpose of (re)reading the threads that I've been enjoying in the last while and repping those posts that have been making the thread so good. On days like this it does become, sometimes, an exercise is 'getting back' to people as there might be a post that, at the beginning of the binge, is one I cannot rep, but by the time I'm finished, I can.

I think that bottom line to all this is that everyone has their own way of repping. I also think that so long as the repping is being done judiciously then no matter how one is going about it, the results will be generally reflective of the consensus hereabouts. . .urm. . .that is. . .I hope it is. . .oh dear, this is genuinely embarassing. . . :o

[Lalwendë]

Dare I say this? I have noticed that the 'rep' system is quite socialist. ;) I mean, the wealth of points must be equally distributed, so as to ensure that all participants get a chance of points...

But yes, more people should get involved and have a go at handing out some points. I think the reason for people not doing this is firstly a certain amount of shyness/uncertainty, and also members may not be sure if their 'rep points' are worth anything; I know that both of these things held me back at first.

[Bêthberry]

In terms of Sauce's concern over "energetic" reppers, it should be remembered that there is a limit on the number of reps that can be given out in any 24-hour period, so it is not as if there were carte blanche on the 'ballot stuffers'.

And, also, no post can be repped twice by the same username. It isn't quite "vote early, vote often" !

However, there is that old chestnut about justice: not only must it be done, but it must be seen to be done and I think here I share some of Sauce's concern. The operation of the repping system must be seen and understood and it should particularly be recognised that not all reppers have the same repping weight. My analogy to democracy really breaks down here, as some votes here do carry more weight than others. I suppose Estelyn's analogy to surveys fits more properly, although our system hardly has the statistical controls of good surveys.

Lhunardawen posted:

Has anyone else noticed that most of the top rep givers are also the top rep receivers? Does it help improve your reputation, then, if you keep on giving well-deserved reps with your name signed, ceteris paribus (i.e. keep on posting sensible posts)? Just wondering...ignore me.

We never used to include our names with the rep until Piosenniel made her very well-received point about anonymity. Maybe there are some who develop a 'reciprocity' habit; I can't see into the minds of people here and know their intentions, just as I believe we cannot know in its entirety an author's intention (What?--an allusion to that C-thread? :D ). What is it that accounts for 'presence' on an internet forum? After all, SaucepanMan apparently has a fan club, but I don't. ;)

Fordim posted:

I tend to be a rather streaky poster, however.

Streaking, Fordim? Now, are you asking to be stalked? ;)

[HerenIstarion]

Justice, than:

If anyone is bothered by not being able to give out more points, look from another angle - those with superior rating power inevitably receive less points than they give out :rolleyes:

Or, not to play burra (btw, another missed one) here - I see it as very balanced system - every advantage one may enjoy has another side to it.

cheers :D

EDIT: when I say receive less, I mean at one go. END OF EDIT

[Boromir88]

In our voting system today, yes every person's vote counts as one, but let's look at the electoral college. Delaware has what 3 electoral votes? Florida has about 40, I'm not up on the electoral college but I know their's an imbalance. What that leads to is the canidates will concentrate on the "big daddies" and not care about picking up the small "delaware's." There's a good and bad side to the electoral college, because a person can win California, Florida, and let's say Ohio, and they will be half way to the necessary points needed to win the election, or the points everyone is shooting for. ( which I believe is 263). Indeed it's a good and bad system, where the states (or in this case the barrowdowners), that are more "powerful," get more of a say, so I think you got to look at it from the electoral college standpoint. It is a good and bad system, every system is flawed, I tend to say just stick with the way it is now, if it's working fine, stick with it.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

*ahem!* No political references please - though some comparison may be made, the main topic is still the reputation system on the Downs, not the voting system of the U.S.!

[Boromir88]

My mistake, just trying to compare the electoral college to the reputation system of the bd, where the more "reputatious" people have more "rep points to award" then some of the smaller, rep people, if you get my meaning.

[Mithalwen]

But yes, more people should get involved and have a go at handing out some points. I think the reason for people not doing this is firstly a certain amount of shyness/uncertainty, and also members may not be sure if their 'rep points' are worth anything; I know that both of these things held me back at first.


The rep may not carry points but it is not worthless.....

[Lindolirian]

Say, is there any way to get a list of the members with the most weight to give? Would that not also be a measure of "Most Valuble Member?" It would include a mix of longevity, amount of contribution, and quality of contribution, so pretty much how good they are to the forum. And besides, it'd be a fun contest.;)

[Lhunardawen]

If it is not too much to ask, Chief Wight, can we have another list before the year ends? I'm just curious to see how repping has changed after this thread has been started.

[Mithalwen]

Say, is there any way to get a list of the members with the most weight to give? Would that not also be a measure of "Most Valuble Member?" It would include a mix of longevity, amount of contribution, and quality of contribution, so pretty much how good they are to the forum. And besides, it'd be a fun contest.;)


Surely this list would still be topped by Heren Istarion the Munificent. The Downs' answer to Father Christmas but with the added advantage of being real....... :D

[HerenIstarion]

ho-ho-ho... um?

[Lindolirian]

Well I know that one for certain; I was mainly interested in the runners-up and so on. However, I would prefer to call H-I the Magnificent rather than the Munificent. :p

Oh, I'm so embarrassed. (See below)

[mark12_30]

munificent

\Mu*nif"i*cent\, a. [L. munificus; munus service, gift + -ficare (in comp.) to make. Cf. Immunity, -fy.] Very liberal in giving or bestowing; lavish; as, a munificent benefactor. -- Mu*nif\"i*cent*ly, adv.

Syn: Bounteous; bountiful; liberal; generous.

[Lindolirian]

Ho hum... Well I have been shown up! Thank you, mark12_30! And, sorry Mithalwen, I was just being too silly. Dictionary.com is my new friend. :)

[mark12_30]

Eh, it's not worth losing sleep over. I posted the definition because... *tada* .... I had to look it up myself anyway since I wasn't sure. :p

And I think I've said before that I love your sig, but I'll say it again now.

[Lindolirian]

Out of a mix of boredom and curiosity I have compiled this (unofficial) list of those members with the most reputation points to give, since the combination of longevity and the amount and quality of contribution is what decides the number. According to BW's formula seen here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=318757&postcount=29), I have counted up the points for these people. Now some of them registered in January, meaning that the next period of 365 days is nearly up in which they will rep one more point and some have 2,900 some odd posts meaning once they cross 3,000, another point will be added. (mark12-30, Esty, and SpM, for instance) So here it is:
1. Heren-Istarion: 13
2. The Saucepan Man: 12
3. The Barrow-Wight: 12
4. Bêthberry: 12
5. Child of the Seventh Age: 11
6. Estelyn Telcontar: 10
7. mark 12_30: 10
8. piosenniel: 10
9. davem: 9
10. Mister Underhill: 9
So there you have it: our most valuable members!

I may be missing some; these were just the ones I guessed would be highest according to the memberlist viewed in reputations and in posts. Remember this is an unofficial list.

Edit: Here is Fordim's whom I did not include since he hasn't been here even a year and has less than 1,000 posts. But as anyone can clearly see, he has very valuable and should not be left out of such a list. Sharkû and Mithadan too, since they're mods and have been here so long.
Fordim Hedgethistle: 7
Sharkû: 8
Mithadan: 8

[The Only Real Estel]

Nice list, Lindolirian.

I think it'd be interesting to see who's given the most negative rep points out, though I don't expect to ever see that list. :D

[Lindolirian]

Heren has brought a good point to my attention. I forgot to add in the first point that we all start off with, so everyone's is moved up one point. The Munificent (;)) H-I proved this by rating me and indeed my points went up 14 rather than 13.
Don't forget, my list is approximate, unofficial and subject to errors as we have just seen.

[The Barrow-Wight]

Below is a new list compiled today at 1500 EST using a new formula* and data from the last 30 days.

01 Sapphire_Flame (5.940386132)
02 HerenIstarion (5.340343853)
03 Estelyn Telcontar (3.898897038)
04 Child of the 7th Age (3.502858551)
05 Nilpaurion Felagund (3.487862144)
06 Boromir88 (3.17124316)
07 Lalwendë (3.051662329)
08 Lhunardawen (2.877452177)
09 Regin Hardhammer (2.662787139)
10 Bêthberry (2.55591176)
11 Rimbaud (2.464021547)
12 The Saucepan Man (2.032547077)
13 Fordim Hedgethistle (1.816916266)
14 Arry (1.779145733)
15 Lindolirian (1.668394127)
16 luthien-elvenprincess (1.664899778)
17 Kuruharan (1.618961023)
18 Firefoot (1.608295838)
19 Encaitare (1.599502446)
20 Fingolfin II (1.557386621)

* I developed a new formula to try to make the calculations produce a list of people who are most effectively using the reputations system AND are likewise building good reputations for themselves. The new formula takes all of the following into account.

During the time period (last 30 days)
1) How did the user's reputation go up (or down) compared to the forum average?
2) How many reputations did the user give compared to the forum average?
3) What is the user's 'weight' compared to the average (NOTE: this is the most important part of the formula. Here is where the weight of everyone is averaged so that people like me and Heren_Istarion still have to work hard to get on the list. Even when the advantage of weight is taken away, Heren still places second! He is doing it right! Guess who didn't make the list this time :rolleyes:

If you have any question or want specifics, please ask.

[HerenIstarion]

Which means honorary title of The Rating Santa (TRS) passes on to Sapphire_Flame, meaning I can finally stop practicing ho-ho-ho's and throwing out my belly. That false beard itches, you know ;)

[Sapphire_Flame]

:eek: Oh my! I didn't think I'd ever get on the list of Top Rep Givers™, but there I am! At the very top, no less. *pokes the number one by her name* Curiouser and curiouser.

And, Heren, thanks, but no, on the TRS costume. I doubt I'd look good with a beard, in any case. ;) Maybe I could go by "Annaneth" instead? *grins*

Abedithon le,

~ A very astonished Saphy ~

[Lhunardawen]

Ooh...*pokes name* :D

So I suppose this new formula is more accurate than the one before it?
What exactly is this formula, if I may ask?

[Morsul the Dark]

If my computer died i may have been on this list oh well go H-I! :smokin:

[The Barrow-Wight]

I have decided to not reveal the formula, because I may yet have some refinement to do on it. But never fear! The results you see now are indicative of our best reputation givers and receivers. Yet I see the possibility of further improvement.

[Mithalwen]

Well I know that one for certain; I was mainly interested in the runners-up and so on. However, I would prefer to call H-I the Magnificent rather than the Munificent. :p

Oh, I'm so embarrassed. (See below)


Don't worry about it just happy to raise the profile of this underused word . Due to dyspraxia and the teaching regime fashionable when I was at school, my spelling is wobbly, but I don't tend to use words whose meanings I am unsure of ... this dates back to making the horrifying discovery that sensuous and sensual weren't interchangeable and that countless literature essays were therefore rather racier than I had intended!!!!!

... HI may well also be magnificent but regardless of his rank, munificent is very apt, in my opinion... I on the other hand am clearly Ebenezer Scrooge :(

[Encaitare]

Oh, hey! I'm on that list! I must be doing something right...

Congrats to Saphy and her newfound illustrious position, and also for the two pretty jewels which she's acquired in rather a short time.

[Sapphire_Flame]

Ah, thank'ee, Encaitare! :D And congrats to you for being on the list as well. ^_^

Abedithon le,

~ Saphy ~

[Regin Hardhammer]

Wow. I've never been on a list before. (And in the top ten too) I will carry my 9th position on the rep giving list with pride. Thanks to everyone for so many great posts worthy of rep giving. :D

Congrats to sapphire flame on her top spot.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Wow! I'm sweet 16. Haven't been there in awhile! :rolleyes:

[Sapphire_Flame]

Thank'ee, Regin. :D Congrats on your spot as well.

Abedithon le,

~ Saphy ~

[Lindolirian]

And once again, just because places have changed, our Most Valuable Posters!
17: SpM
16: H-I
15: None that I could find
14: C7A, mark12_30
13: B-W, Bethberry, Esty
12: davem, Mr. Underhill
11: Fordim, pio, Firefoot, Littlemanpoet
I was going to do a Top Ten again, but I didn't want to leave out the others who scored 11, so I just set it out by score. Honorable Mentions to: The Saucepan Man for being Number One, and Fordim Hedgethistle for having all of his points accumulated from rep points.
There they are ladies and gentlemen!

[Sapphire_Flame]

Nice list, Lindolirian. Thanks for the update!

And gold stars for everyone on the list! *sends gold stars*

~ Saphy ~

[Assasin]

Mods, how do you give reps?

[ohtatyaro]

err... H-I gives out 18. Proved it on my very hide (I mean, post) :D

[Kuruharan]

If it is not too impertinent, I don't suppose we could have an updated list for the Downs' top reputation givers...

It is kind of an interesting thing to know. :)

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I'd be interested in knowing what the average forum member is worth in terms of giving points. As far as I can tell, I'm currently worth 5, will be worth 6 in April? If the munificent HerenIstarion is worth 18, I'm worth 5-ish as a member of longish-standing but a long gap in participation, and a brand new member is worth 0 to start with; where in the spectrum do the bulk of us fall?

Curiosity, curiosity.

Sophia

[The Barrow-Wight]

All Time

HerenIstarion
Child of the 7th Age
mark12_30
Estelyn Telcontar
Fordim Hedgethistle
The Saucepan Man
Nilpaurion Felagund
Bêthberry
davem
Lalwendë
Mithalwen
Boromir88
Saphire_Flame
piosenniel
Nurumaiel
Regin Hardhammer
Firefoot
Encaitare
Evisse the Blue
Lhunardawen



Last 30 Days

Nilpaurion Felagund
Child of the 7th Age
Sophia the Thunder Mistress
Mithalwen
Lalwendë
Fordim Hedgethistle
HerenIstarion
Estelyn Telcontar
Lhunardawen
Boromir88
Nurumaiel
Formendacil
Lyta_Underhill
Numenorean
Oddwen
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Kuruharan
Regin Hardhammer
The Saucepan Man
Encaitaire

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Intriguing.

Givers and getters this is? :eek:

[Kuruharan]

Hmm...givers and getters...

Sounds like the formula may have been refined some more.

[HerenIstarion]

Hmm...givers and getters...
Sounds like the formula may have been refined some more

Nay:

I developed a new formula to try to make the calculations produce a list of people who are most effectively using the reputations system AND are likewise building good reputations for themselves

Emphasis mine. Post #88 (on this very page). Read posts of your Wight with care and eat your greens, it'd do you good :D:D:D

[Kuruharan]

Whoops

I now invoke the great chant of contrition...

Ohwhatagoosiam,
Ohwhatagoosiam,
Ohwhatagoosiam...

[Mithalwen]

Oh wow ..... stewards enquiry time... didn't make the list the fist time so that is quite an improvement though Soph is the fastest climbing new entry .. :)

Ah it is good to know you give as good as you get... and that HI is still Mr Munificence....

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

(Elenrod does Letterman's card/rep throwing trick.)

And my heartfelt congratulations to Mr. Munificent. :)

And everyone on the list/s. :) :)

[Lhunardawen]

All Time
Meaning what? Since the start of the rep system?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

In the case of the Barrowdowns, the starts of the rep system and the Solar system are of equal importance.

[Mithalwen]

So is this going to lead to an "Eomer's theory of relativity"? And the discovery that since reputaion travels in a straight line the Downs must be in four dimensional space time?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You know what Mithalwen? I really don't think it's going to get to that stage. :p

You yourself though, appear to have the makings of an interesting little theory. Keep working on it. Rather than space and time, I explicitly linked the rep. system to power politics earlier on. And I'm sticking with that theory.

[The Only Real Estel]

I don't know about anyone else but I'd be interested in seeing another rep list.

I'd also be interested in seeing who the highest rated bder that has given out the least number of reps in return is, but I doubt we'll get to see that. ;)

[Formendacil]

I don't know about anyone else but I'd be interested in seeing another rep list.

I'd also be interested in seeing who the highest rated bder that has given out the least number of reps in return is, but I doubt we'll get to see that. ;)

All the newbies who have never given rep... And all the stagnant members who have never done the same?

[The Only Real Estel]

Formendacil: That's why I dropped the 'highest rated bder' line in there - although I suppose you'd have to subtract the highly rated idle ones (if there is such a thing).

At any rate that doesn't matter, because I doubt we'll ever see that. I would still like to see a new list, though.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Isn't BW still on his leave of absence? Which reminds me: I'm surprised the site hasn't fallen apart yet! :D

[Gurthang]

I don't know if he's back for action, but I just saw his name down on the active users list. So he's here at least.

[wilwarin538]

Now that I look at my reps every fourth or so is from H-I, such a nice person. :D

[Gurthang]

Yes, he does rep a lot, and many of his makes one rich! He is a very generous Downer!

You have to catch his eye, though(I think). Not just a great post with a lot of info and sound evidence. It has to have that something extra. Sometimes that extra can be a sig, as I've found. :D

[VanimaEdhel]

Now that I look at my reps every fourth or so is from H-I, such a nice person. :D

Really? I don't really have any repeats in my reps. I don't know if that's a good sign or a bad sign. :p

Wait a second: my smilies are in a different order every time I click "Reply"...

[Kath]

Wait a second: my smilies are in a different order every time I click "Reply"...

Oh good! I'm not the only person to have noticed that. Any idea why that is?

[Nimrodel_9]

Oh good! I'm not the only person to have noticed that. Any idea why that is? I've noticed that too! How odd...

I think Hookbill has given me the most in the past little while. Thankyou, Hookbill! Thanks to everyone else that has, too! :D

[The Barrow-Wight]

Reputations Given

HerenIstarion (1135)
Estelyn Telcontar (660)
Nilpaurion Felagund (586)
Child of the 7th Age (580)
Bêthberry (498)
Mithalwen (476)
mark12_30 (440)
Eomer of the Rohirrim (338)
davem (330)
Lhunardawen (312)


Reputations Received

davem (387)
Lalwendë (386)
The Saucepan Man (375)
Fordim Hedgethistle (360)
Bêthberry (308)
Boromir88 (293)
HerenIstarion (292)
Eomer of the Rohirrim (292)
Child of the 7th Age (269)
Mithalwen (254)


Give vs. Receive

HerenIstarion (6.3:1)
Estelyn Telcontar (4.0:1)
Child of the 7th Age (3.4:1)
Nilpaurion Felagund (3.2:1)
piosenniel (2.9:1)
Bêthberry (2.7:1)
Sapphire_Flame (2.3:1)
Mithalwen (2.1:1)
mark12_30 (2.0:1)
Eomer of the Rohirrim (1.9:1)

[Formendacil]

These would be the new All-time scores, I assume, and not those of, say, the past month or however long it is now since the last update.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Thanks for the update, sir. Hmm....interesting, verily.

HerenIstarion about ten country miles ahead. All is right with the world! :D

[Kuruharan]

Are those are the numbers of points given out/received rather than the number of times that rep has been given/gotten, or is it the other way around?

I ask because some people are giving out such large amounts of rep that the actual number of reps given to different people might be smaller than would be inferred from looking at the numbers.

Just being nosy. ;)

[The Barrow-Wight]

Those are the number of individual reputations given and received, not their point values.

[Gurthang]

What I find interesting is that davem has received one more rep than Lalwende yet Lal got to 'steals taters from confused gaffers' first. Maybe that shows that quality is better than quantity, or some other such wisdom. ;)

I also notice that HerenIstarion, Child of the 7th Age, Bethberry, Mithalwen, and Eomer of the Rohirrim can be seen on all three lists. Congratulations to all of you, and thank you. :D

And thanks to The Barrow-Wight for showing us the lists.

[Lhunardawen]

Truly 'tis better to give than to receive. :)

[Gurthang]

It hasn't even been a couple months yet since the last list, but I know the WW games have been generating much rep-giving(and not just in those threads). So... How 'bout another list?

Is it possible to catch HI? (I doubt it.) Is Lalwende untouchable? (hmm) Has some newbie come up into the lists? Only The Barrow-Wight can tell us! :D

[Glirdan]

I can tell you now that I'm probably not up on that list. Mind you, I did get four reps for my part in the WW game. Thanks to those who did rep me by the way. And now I'm in Gurthang's sig. How cool is that!?!? :D

[Diamond18]

I'm digging up an old thread, I know... but I'm painting and between coats I've had little else to do besides read through old threads... well I have stuff to do but the energy to do it is another matter. :p Anyway, I saw this one and wondered what the current count is? Both all time and within-last-month?

Humor me, B-W? :D

[Telperaca]

Thanks to anyone who've given this newbie points. :D ;)

[Thinlómien]

I second D18's idea of a new list. That would be nice to know. Of course, if it's too much work, then we're not going to have it. (And that's a bit self-evident...)

[Gurthang]

Yes, it has been awhile since we saw a list, and I'll have to admit that I'm wondering and hoping that my name might appear... sort of a vain thing, I guess.

But, more seriously, I wouldn't be suprised if it's changed quite a bit. I think the last list was out before the werewolf crazy hit. I know that the games generate a lot of giving and receiving, so the list might be completely different. :D

[Mithalwen]

Although I fully admit to a tendancy to digression, I would suggest we try to keep this thread on topic rather than comandeer it as a substitute for the Reputations thread, which was closed for valid reasons.

I think it was there established that if anyone wishes to thank those who have given them rep they should do so by PM and any anonymous reppers are, by definition, happy to remain unthanked. :cool:

[Elonve]

Can't people cheat and give themselves Reputation points?
________
Mflb? (http://www.vaporshop.com)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

They'd have to go to absurd lengths to get such a worthless prize. The system is explained totally in the Reputations thread, which was closed a while back. Have a search through the forum and it will tell you all you need to know.

[Lhunardawen]

A much simpler explanation will be that if you click on the scale icon of your own post, you'll find the reps you've received for that post (if any), and not "What do you think of your own post?" :)

[ninja91]

You all just wait until ninja91 cracks that list! (actually I probably wont :D )

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Calm down, narfforc - since giving anonymous rep is an option on this forum, there is nothing perfidious about it. I would guess that we've all had to cope with it at some time or other (I have); there's nothing terrible about it. Everyone has a right to express his/her opinion, even if I don't agree.

[the phantom]

It was Esty.

[Diamond18]

Well, I for one always sign mine when I give out negetive reps. I like for people to know it's me who is smiting them.

(And really, I can count how many neg reps I've given on one hand and still have fingers left over.)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Stop right here!! The reputation thread was closed because of chat posts, and this one is very likely to get closed as well. If you have something personal to say to another member, please use the excellent PM system.

In case you hadn't noticed, this thread is about reputation givers - how about praising the person who has given you the most reputation points or the best comments instead of whining about the few negative reps?!


edit: This post is not addressed to any one specific member, but a moderator's reminder to all involved. It might be a good idea to close this thread until everyone cools off again.

[narfforc]

Before you close this thread allow me to apologise to the person, whoever it was that I called a moron, I am sorry, you have every right to disagree with what I wrote, secondlly may I humbly apologise to all members who have had to read my childish outbursts (even Obloquy), I am sorry. I would at this point like to thank all those who have given me reputation points, especially:

Bethberry
Lalwande
Davem
Gurthang
Esty
Kuruharan
Dancing Spawn
Manwe
Hookbill

If you are one of those I have forgotten, it is not intentional

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Another moderator's note: Every member has the option of editing her/his own posts to remove inappropriate parts, or if the whole post is off-topic, of deleting it.