Tol-in-Gaurhoth IV (The Saga, erm, Still Continues...)

[Anguirel]

I would remind the citizen assembly of another piece of advice left by Eomer-a denunciation of Hookbill the Goomba. It is interesting, then, to note that the alleged first open werewolf in history, the estimable Nilpaurion, suspects him-although if Master Felagund is indeed a wolf, it is more knowledge than suspicion...

Other groundless and widely unpopular accusations, defying apparent sense, have been suggested by Nilp-chiefly Celuien, who is on the absolute bottom of my list. Could Nilpaurion be driving for suicide to protect Hookbill behind his corpse? If so, using Hookbill as a touchstone would expose him-but would be terribly risky. Yet Hookbill does seem dangerous to me; his condemnation of Eomer was alarmingly naive. It might be said that so was my assault on the phantom ; but I did not, in fact, think the healer guilty, only divisive; I voted, in fact, in a failed attempt to save Eomer, whose rational senses and cunning I was eager to preserve.

[Lalaith]

I was thinking of abstaining from today's vote, as a self-inflicted punishment for Oddwen's fate. But I realise that with just 12 left, and two absentees, the worst-case scenario is that three werewolves vote and just seven innocents. (Assuming that Feanor and Celuinen are not werewolves).
One thought on yesterday's voting: it is nigh on impossible, as some have already pointed out, I think, to work out from the voting who is a werewolf. The chief suspects were all innocent, and the wolves knew it, so it didn't matter which one they voted for.
My other thought: it is human instinct, particularly in times of stress such as these, to trust those who trust us. I for one feel grateful to the villagers who have thought me innocent, and want to trust them in return.
BUT, then a dark thought plagued me, in keeping with these dark times. The only ones who really know that I, or anyone else, is innocent are the werewolves. If a werewolf is lynched, then his remarks will be scrutinised and those villagers who received his public support will be suspected and probably lynched. Which would save his fellow wolves at the fake ally's expense.
This is not to belie any honourable villager defending those they believe innocent. Many of us have done this, as is our duty, and I think that those who have defended me are honourable. But I wanted to bring this up as a general point, to bear in mind (if and when we ever manage to kill a werewolf. :rolleyes: )

[Anguirel]

Indeed. It's just like a wolf to bind themself to an innocent. A despicable and low tactic...

[Celuien]

There was no tie between The Phantom and Oddwen. It was the latter and Eomer. And why just The Phantom and Oddwen? Why not also look at the votes for Eomer also? Why have you discounted him? I would like to hear the reasons.

Those who voted for Eomer (In chronological order):

Saurreg
Hookbill the Goomba
The phantom
Dancing spawn of Ungoliant
littlemanpoet

And for those of you who still persist on calling me wolf. Have it your way. It's not as if I give a fish about it anymore because no matter how hard I try to exonerate myself, someone would still find the flimsiest of substance and use it to condemn me. So vote if you want. And if you think no one's gonna follow you, go ahead and bring your siblings, bring your mother and your father, bring your cousins, aunts and uncles. Bring your entire clan. See if I care.

Twas an error on my part brought on by my long round of deliveries yesterday. I meant to say Eomer and Oddwen, as that was of course the critical tie. A tie that could have been a perfect set-up for the wolves who knew they were helping bring down two innocents. And for what it's worth, I've finally decided that there's no way that you're a wolf.

Nilp - my strange dealings with Saurreg aren't really that strange. It's merely that I became very suspicious of him after he said that his vote was unnecessary on day 1 when it looked like we might have a lot of dead villagers on our hands without more votes to break a tie. I have a pretty good reason to eliminate him from my suspect list now, which is why I'm no longer following up on that loose thread. The reason should be obvious.

If anyone's behavior has been odd recently, it has been Nilp's, for the reasons given above. I don't know that it makes him guilty though. He could just be acting like the suspicious character he always has been.

[Lalaith]

Anguirel, if you are a werewolf, your intelligence would make you a highly formidable foe. But I do not particularly suspect you.

I am somewhat suspicious of dancing spawn at the moment. But it is a hazy suspicion.
Why does Feanor tell us, when she thinks she may not be able to come back, to examine Firefoot, but then return and not mention Firefoot at all, but continue to suspect lmp?
And where is Esgal? She's got just 2 hours before voting to post....

[Saurreg]

I have been scanning through the posts and my gut feeling tells me that Feanor is innocent.

Nilpaurion Felagund's behaviour is unsettling. The first two posts in this thread were great for laughs but as the posts continue, the style wears thin and I think they are no longer humorous but hints of something more mysterious, something darker.

I question of some of his deductions.

On Celuien - He questions the deal she and I made when it was obviously a one-sided affair that would not compromise the innocents. Think about it, that was a passive deal; it would only come into effect if I was executed (thankfully not) and in any case Celuien was free to continue to suspect me, nothing else. Everybody could see that.

On Feanor - Here Nilpaurion casts his finger without hesitation. I question his reasoning and indeed his motives. We have so many villagers that first round accusations are very likely to be random pokings in the dark. Then in the second round Feanor votes for Littlemanpoet whom I have already pointed out was an improbable target and rightfully so, no one followed her lead. I think she was testing the waters and picking out random targets to gauge their reactions and those of their would-be supporters/detractors. She could just as LMP mentioned, just be a little too passionately involved in the game just for fun. I read her posts and i cannot find anything substantial for such a heavy charge to be levied on her.

On Lalaith - Dear Lalaith is now in the thoughts of many including yours truly. We have mixed feelings about her real status and no one really dares to make a call. Here Nilpaurion is quite (depends on the context of "possibly" used here) certain about her innocence but gives no reason why.

On all those possibly innocents - I will not venture to say that they are guity (since we only have three wolves :rolleyes: ) but everybody here is unsure of one another. Except for one or two individuals whom they are willing to belief in, I doubt anyone could paint "possibly innocent" on so many mysterious villagers when an "undecided" would suffice. It almost seems like a subtle endorsement short of like the one I have for Feanor.

Indeed the death of Oddwen is tragic. We must find out the motives behind those votes.

EDIT: Is it just me or based on the aboved points and others that might have eluded me, that Nilpaurion was trying to divert the course of common consent and thoughts?

[Celuien]

Currently, I do not find Lalaith, Anguirel, lmp, Evisse, or Saurreg suspicious. I'm satisifed by Lalaith's explanation regarding her late vote for Oddwen yesterday. My thoughts on Anguirel, lmp and Evisse are more of a gut feeling.

My top suspects are now (in no particular order):
1) Hookbill for the late Eomer vote and because of Eomer's denunciation.
2) Nilp for his odd behavior throughout the past two days and rather strange accusation of yours truly.

I don't know what to think of Esgal, dancing spawn, Fea or Firefoot.

I'm not really certain enough of anything to vote now. I'll be watching as the process unfolds.

Another RL notice: my schedule has changed drastically due to school starting again on Monday. I'll probably have to do all future voting quite early since my only computer time will be between 6 PM and 5 AM EDT (EDT= GMT -4 according to the board).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea - almost certainly a werewolf. Zali's death might just be a smokescreen to reduce suspicion of her. Plus her silence during the last vote unnerves me.
But I wasn't around, darling. Surely you remember. Our beloved dead TGWBS knew I wasn't around. I managed to sneak onto a computer to keep up to date, but it was about a half hour after voting. Before and after, I was in a painting frenzy (no, seriously... I was actually painting).

lmp - possibly a werewolf. Why did Fea vote for him, when it was quite clear that the Eomer, Saurreg, and tp were in the shooting gallery?
Because dear, I've explained this as well. I didn't suspect Eomer, although I left the public possibility there to throw off trackers. I didn't want to vote for the phantom because I had a horrible feeling that he was the Seer. Also, I didn't want my annoyance at his condescention to cloud my judgement. Saurreg, I've never thought was guilty. I thought it was weird that he didn't vote on Day One, but I've thought he was a Sherriff from the beginning (no point in being subtle since we all know that it's been hinted at before). I could have voted for Spawn, because if you'll remember, I was suspicious of her also. But not enough to kill her outright. That's not my style at all. You never vote for somebody you aren't sure on... you sit and watch, and if they happen to die without your involvement, than all the better. At least it's not your fault if they're innocent.

Why does Feanor tell us, when she thinks she may not be able to come back, to examine Firefoot, but then return and not mention Firefoot at all, but continue to suspect lmp?
Because I enjoy casting suspicion on someone new each day. I love to make absolute certain that nobody is able to fly under the radar. I wasn't saying "Firefoot's guilty", I was saying "Look at Firefoot." It's kind of like saying "Wow, Firefoot's got an awesome hair cut." I'm not saying "Let's go scalp her." :D

And did you truly take my words on LMP for serious? Remember that shortly after, I accused someone else, just for good measure, and in the same sentence, I accused three well-knowns not even playing? I was teasing, and the next paragraph actually said "No, in all seriousness..." Remember? I want to lynch ++ NILP for reasons already stated.

Bye 'til tomorrow.

[Anguirel]

My thoughts run along similar lines to yours, Celuien. We should come to a decision quite soon, and for me the main suspects are Hookbill, Nilpaurion, and the spawn of ungoliant who dances...

While hanging Nilpaurion will be a relief to all our brains, innocent or guilty though he may be, I think Hookbill may be a quicker way to a similar end. Though I base my supposition only on Eomer's hunch, Hookbill's rather rash knife-twisting at Eomer, and Nilp's gleeful quintuple-bluff-laden accusation list, I cannot rest easy while the Goomba breathes...

My feelings regarding Madame Spawn are directed by her coolness and savoir-faire, her casual contributions, her easy assumption of supremacy-some of which also apply, I can see, to myself. I need more solid evidence before I accuse her.

And so, finally, I suggest that we hang Hookbill for longterm benefit, or Nilpaurion, frankly, to put our weary crania at ease.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

spawn - possibly innocent. But why vote for Oddie?
No reason, especially considering that I voted for Eomer...

It's nice when someone thinks that you're not guilty but I'm becoming so paranoid that I find those people suspicious. What would be a better way to buy my trust than say: "I believe spawn is innocent." No-one but the seer should have that kind of information. Of course we speculate on the basis of our gut feelings but I think the wolves might have used this tactic in the "Phantom-Eomer" incident.

I'm growing suspicious of Esgal. She hasn't posted very much (ok, neither have I but I don't suspect myself) and that vote for Oddwen bothers me a little.

(Drat! My dad needs to use our computer now so I don't have acces to online for a while but I come back as soon as I can.)

[Anguirel]

Isn't Esgal going to get boringly killed automatically, at this rate, as I so nearly did?

Well...the Mysterious Artist attacks one of my chief suspects. Oh dear. My heart sinks. Must be wrong, if he's relegated to Fea's mere "public suspect"...

[Saurreg]

We have a vote Nilpaurion Felagund and if current wave of sentiments prevail he will be executed.

I add ++Lalaith to the kill list now. Her vote and its timing for Oddwen mistify me and her staunch questioning of Feanor after Nilpaurion made his post reinforces my suspicion. I should think they are in cahoots.

[Anguirel]

Alas. I want to vote for Hookbill, but to save Lalaith I am forced to second the fickle Fea and vote for ++Nilpaurion I'm-A-Werewolf-And-Proud-Of-It Felagund.

[Celuien]

Please stop in Esgal. We've had so much bloodshed recently that we can't afford a pointless, boring death.

Anguirel - Fea might be right this time. Her vote doesn't seem to be a random accusation to provoke discussion since the deadline is drawing near, while her vote for lmp yesterday was early enough to be taken in that fashion. Frankly, in addition to being unsettlingly bizarre, Nilp is confusing me too much to stay around. Therefore, my vote goes to ++ Nilp, with the suggestion that we all look very carefully at Hookbill tomorrow.

[Saurreg]

Well...the Mysterious Artist attacks one of my chief suspects. Oh dear. My heart sinks. Must be wrong, if he's relegated to Fea's mere "public suspect"...

I too share this sentiment.

Bad show Fea. Bad show.

[Lalaith]

Even though it is clearly in my interest to vote for Nilp, I do not actually hold him in high suspicion. I find it hard to countenance the thought of a werewolf screaming out of the closet in this way.
I will hold my fire for a while.

[Anguirel]

It's all your fault, Saurreg. If you hadn't gone after Lalaith and opened a golden opportunity for the wolves to swamp things, I could have crusaded against Hookbill with impunity...

[Saurreg]

but to save Lalaith...

WHY?

Why save Lalaith? What does she have to her defence? All I can read from her posts and votes points against her. Even if I have the sense of a cow (I hope not), how can you be so sure that you would willing to what you did? You are not a Shirriff and neither is she. I will tell you now that I am the other Shirriff since my worth to the wolves is no more and you are most definitely not a Seer since you were one of the main detractors of The Phantom.

EDIT: You are also very bold to state your post-Round 3 intentions aloud for all to see. You are either a hunter who wishes to take Hookbill along for the ride tonight or that you are playing a very clever game because you know that hookbill might well be innocent and incapable of doing harm to you. If the latter is the case, then YOU Anguirel, are a lycan!

[Firefoot]

I'm not really sure what to think right now. I don't really think that Nilp is guilty, but I've certainly been wrong before now. Eomer certainly didn't seem to think that he was guilty, either, but I don't know that anyone (except Nilp himself) actually understood that message.

I only have middling suspicion for Lalaith; I'm not sure it's enough to lynch her on, though I think I'm inclined to lynch her over Nilp.

I am becoming increasingly more suspicious of Hookbill, but more people seem to want to vote for Nilp.

I am feeling easier about Saurreg and Fea for the moment.

I would like to hear from Esgal.

So I'll hold my vote for a little while yet.

[Lalaith]

If Esgal doesn't show, will she die instead of, or as well as, the lynching victim?

Saurreg, I'm sorry you are so convinced of my guilt, I believe you to be innocent. And remember, a Shirriff was wrong before.

[Anguirel]

Firefoot, Lalaith, if you both vote for Hookbill we might yet hang the miscreant...just a suggestion.

Esgal will be an additional corpse, I think.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

(My dad's being mercyful: "You have five minutes.")
Aah, panic! Whom shall I vote for? It seems that Nilp is a quite popular option and I have to tell that I've found his behaviour rather odd. I don't know. If Esgal doesn't show up, it's time for her to go anyway... *eyes closed and fingers crossed* ++ Esgallhugwen!

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Ah, I knew I wouldn't last long in this game. *Shrugs* I thought of playing dumb so that the w-ws wouldn't see me as a threat, but it seems to have backfired on me... damn.
It seems the only way my vote can go in order to save my neck (literally) is to vote

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Sorry man. :(

[Firefoot]

Okay, I quickly went back and read all of Hookbill's posts. What I had previously taken for innocent, I now realize was not so concrete at all, even less so than Anguirel. It is the type of post that I would probably expect from a wolf...

I guess I think that ++Hookbill is more likely to be a wolf than either Nilp or Lalaith. So help me if I'm wrong again.

[Lalaith]

Well Firefoot, I'm always wrong too. Which is why (although it may seem yet another weird illogical Lalaith action) I am going to follow the lead of my suspect dancing spawn and vote for ++ Esgal. Because she's going to die anyway and I'm sick of having innocents on my conscience.

[the guy who be short]

If Esgal doesn't show, will she die instead of, or as well as, the lynching victim?

As well as.

[Anguirel]

As I thought...which makes votes for her entirely pointless, apathetic and escapist. Lalaith, spawn, you shirk your civic duty. Alas.

If only I'd bitten the bullet, er, arrow, and voted for Hookbill...

[Lalaith]

Anguirel, if I'm still here tomorrow, I'll resume civic duties. But today I am just worn out.

[Evisse the Blue]

Ok. From the list of nominees so far, Nilp is the one I'd least want to lynch. Lalaith comes next, although I am beginning to sympathise with her misfortune, if misfortune it is, but suddenly I see clearly what has mysteriously escaped me for so long, and that is Hookbill's very low key behaviour. Very little he said, and maybe for a purpose. And now voting for Nilp, which is such an obvious tactic to save himself. In any case, his death should tell us a lot.

Maybe there's still time. I say we lynch +++Hookbill the Goomba

[Anguirel]

Pah. Women. Pacifists. Harrumph.

EDIT: Well struck, Evisse. A tie. But will it be maintained? I just hope there are no more votes for Esgal...

EDIT AGAIN: Nope, no tie. The judiciary don't teach Maths, or observation...

[littlemanpoet]

As I have said before, the three werewolves seem to be hiding well in their posting. So trust whom you will, but there is frankly very little to go on, since every single member's post can be re-interpreted in "double-think". That said, there seem to be some less "double-minded" posters, and those who are more so. There is a third category: those who are saying so little that there's no way to know.

As I have also said, I think that Celuien, Feanor, Firefoot, Saurreg, and Lalaith are probably innocent.

That leaves me wondering about Anguirel, dancing spawn, Esgal, Evisse, Hookbill, and Nilp.

Ang is showing smarts. He seems the most likely to do double think. His seconding of Nilp does not go unnoticed; could it be a wolfish tactic? Saurreg's reasoning in his recent post does not go unnoticed.

Nilp, is playing a cagey game, right in front of us all. My fear is that he may be the "cursed villager", and secretly wants to be turned into a werewolf, and so is trying to get lynched. I cannot bring myself to add to that vote. There is much evidence to back my suspicion, but it could also be read the other way around, that he is simply playing his "suspicious character" role to the hilt. Even so, I can't vote for him.

dancing spawn, Esgal, and Hookbill haven't posted near enough for me to be able to tell what to think about them. Could we have three quiet wolves?

Upon reading the most recent posts of Evisse, I feel like I'm in court and she's a prosecutor type. This may be righteous indignation against the hidden werewolves, or it might be a clever ploy, because we all know lawyers ain't stupid, they're sharks.

dancing spawn has just voted for Esgal. What do I make of that? Well, that they are not likely part of a werewolve triumverate - unless spawn is playing a very dangerous game of "vote for my fellow wolf to throw off the scent". She has been on my suspect list before, though it was mere gut feeling.

Now Lal has added to the Esgal vote. Hmmmm..... If she doesn't vote soon, she's gone anyway and we'll know her identity. It might be wise to go along with this safe route, limiting the number of villagers killed, but there's a chance my vote could lead to getting rid of a werewolf, so I want to make it count. Eegads! So many ways to look at it!

Okay, I admit this is a somewhat random pick amongst those whom I feel suspicious about, but here goes: ++ Anguirel Sorry buddy. I just don't feel like I can trust ya.

[the guy who be short]

End of voting. No more posts please. Deaths coming soon. :)

[Evisse the Blue]

No tie, but it seems that I cross posted with Lalaith (another misfortune), and I see she voted for Esga. Damn. :( This could still evolve in a tie, though. If Esga and/ or lmp show up at the last moment to create it, I hope nobody's gonna question my being suspicious of that...

[the guy who be short]

Nilpaurion looked around in shock as the villagers, pitchforks ready, surrounded him. The Oddwen Memorial Gallows were still in construction (they were doing it as quickly as time allowed, honest), so this was the only option.

“Are you going to lynch me??” Nilp cried, staring round in confusion at the shiny pitchforks.

‘Fraid so, his alter-ego replied with an evil cackle.

“You do remember that if I die, you do too, right?”

There was a short silence, followed by an expletive.

“I hate you, Adam, you know that?”

The villagers looked on in awe. This was simply too suspicious… was the werewolf side of Nilpaurion Felagund's personality arguing with him? In public? A few thrusts of the pitchfork would tell. They closed in, narrowing the circle.

“Erm… look… could we maybe…”

Lynch him! Lynch him now! He’s a wolf!

The villagers decided to believe Nilp after all. Well, to believe the side of Nilp that accused Nilp, but called itself Adam. Unless maybe Adam was lying… was Alice in there somewhere? Or maybe Alice was telling Adam to...

“Oh, darn this, it’s all too confusing!” Somebody moaned in exasperation. The pitchfork went in. The pitchfork came out, slightly redder and more wrapped in guts than before. Nilpaurion Felagund's body collapsed to the ground as the rest of the villagers joined in. Pitchforks were so multi-functional; it was incredibly handy.

The villagers stepped back, pitchforking complete. The post-pitchforked (and thus very full of holes) body of Nilpaurion remained in a pool of blood.

Heh, how interesting, Adam noted. A blood-puddle. A Bluddle. Heh. Good on you, villagers… You finally got him... Something I couldn't do for years...

The villagers watched Nilpaurion die. Come on, he was the suspect after all, he had to be a wolf!

But nothing happened. There was no transformation into a Beast of the Night. The villagers looked sadly at one another as they realised that this death was simply the product of Nilpaurion Felagund's vindictive alter-ego.

Sobered, the villagers decided to check in on Esgallhugwen, the candle and candle stick maker who hadn’t been at all visible during the Day. What could she be doing all Day long? Was this another one of her notorious Candle-making sprees, where she shunned humanity for extended periods of time and mass-produced small wax animals for the sheer amusement of it?

The villagers knocked on the door. No answer. Surely the wolves couldn’t have killed her by Day?

The people walked in nervously. The Candlestick maker’s home was no place for superstitious peasant folk… who knew what evil arts the wretched woman employed to create those little wax figures? They were endured solely for the light they gave at night.

But inside the house, the villagers screamed in shock. For there, lying on the floor, clearly dead, was the body of Esgallhugwen – in wolf form! One of the triumvirate was killed – not by the villagers, but by chance! What good fortune was this?

The villager’s closed in on the body of the wolf, fascinated by the repugnant beast. What had caused her – it – to just die?

Possibly it was the fumes of the business that had slain the creature. Perhaps it had had a heart attack. Maybe she had simply choked on something – was that a small tree-frog in her throat, or merely an enlarged larynx? It was croaking suspiciously.

The villagers didn’t know. To be frank, they didn’t really care. They simply prayed to and thanked Eru for the good fortune with which they had been graced. There would be much feasting soon.

Living:

Anguirel
Celuien
dancing spawn of ungoliant
Evisse the Blue
Feanor of the Peredhil
Firefoot
Hookbill the Goomba
Lalaith
littlemanpoet
Saurreg

Dead:

the guy who be short (Villager) - partially consumer by werewolves on NIGHT 1.
Kath (Ranger) - lynched by villagers on DAY 1.
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Villager) - turned into a pincushion on NIGHT 2.
Oddwen (Villager) - lynched with kitchen utensils on DAY 2.
Eomer of the Rohirrim (Villager) - lynched and drowned on DAY 2.
the phantom (Shirriff) - poisoned himself on NIGHT 3.
Nilpaurion Felagund (Villager) - pitchforked to death on DAY 3.
Esgallhugwen (Werewolf) - probably choked on a tree-frog on DAY 3.

Score:

Werewolves: 2
Villagers: 8

It is now NIGHT. NIGHT will end in 24 hours at 6:30pm BST, 1:30pm EDT, 12:30pm CDT, or earlier if all activities are completed by then.

[the guy who be short]

The villagers woke up, much as villagers are obliged to do in the mornings. Orodreth viewed late mornings as a sign of treachery, not to mention how unproductive they were.

A headcount revealed that the village was now down to single-figures, which was mildly depressing. The absence of any giant dancing spiders was immediately noticeable as the cause of this. Dancing spawn of ungoliant had been taken in the night!

As per usual, the villagefolk traipsed to the home of the deceased. What would it hold? Would their yearning for blood and gore be satisfied with this death? The door to the small shack creaked open as they filed in.

The remains of dancing spawn of ungoliant lay, face down, in the middle of the floor. As well as being a (rather poor) house-wife, dancing spawn supplemented her income by selling small tree-frogs on the black market – it all made sense now! She had supplied the frog… and now the werewolves had exacted terrible vengeance (though ulterior motives couldn't be ruled out, of course).

The body has suffered cruelly. Turning her over, the villagers saw that her throat had been forcibly removed, and a small, rather limp amphibian had been shoved down her windpipe. What a horrible way to die, asphyxiated by a frog! And to think that two members of their humble village had died so! This must have been some kind of record, surely.

Surroundings inspected for any oddities (there were none), the villagers filed out again, leaving dancing spawn of ungoliant lying on her floor with a frog half-way down her throat, to discuss who the remaining wolves could be.

NB: Yes, I was feeling quite… odd when I wrote that. And yes, I re-used a few jokes. So sue me. My contract with you people says nothing about originality.

Living:

Anguirel
Celuien
Evisse the Blue
Feanor of the Peredhil
Firefoot
Hookbill the Goomba
Lalaith
littlemanpoet
Saurreg

Dead:

the guy who be short (Villager) - partially consumer by werewolves on NIGHT 1.
Kath (Ranger) - lynched by villagers on DAY 1.
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Villager) - turned into a pincushion on NIGHT 2.
Oddwen (Villager) - lynched with kitchen utensils on DAY 2.
Eomer of the Rohirrim (Villager) - lynched and drowned on DAY 2.
the phantom (Shirriff) - poisoned himself on NIGHT 3.
Nilpaurion Felagund (Villager) - pitchforked to death on DAY 3.
Esgallhugwen (Werewolf) - probably choked on a tree-frog on DAY 3.
dancing spawn of ungoliant (Villager) - definitely choked on a tree-frog on NIGHT 4.

Score:

Werewolves: 2
Villagers: 7

It is now DAY. DAY will end in 24 hours at 1:30pm BST, 8:30am EDT, 7:30am CDT, or earlier if voting in complete before then.

[Firefoot]

Oh, dear. Poor dancing spawn.

As always, here is the previous day's voting (proven innocents underlined, werewolves italicized):

Nilp – 4 (Fea, Anguirel, Hookbill, *Celuien*)
Lalaith – 1 (*Saurreg*)
Esga – 2 (Dancing Spawn, Lalaith)
Hookbill – 2 (Firefoot, Evisse)
Anguirel – 1 (lmp)

Did not vote: Nilp, Esga

Now edited voting of:
Day 2 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=395516&postcount=224)
Day 1 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=395113&postcount=111)

I don't have time to post in length right now, and I will be in and out of the house for the rest of today - I may not be posting again until this evening (in about 12 hrs or so).

But I will be looking hard at Lalaith and Hookbill when I get back.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Anguirel
Celuien
Evisse the Blue
Feanor of the Peredhil
Firefoot
Hookbill the Goomba
Lalaith
littlemanpoet
Saurreg


These are those that I like to refer to as "the living". Two of these are those that I constantly refer to as those "thrice-bedamned and disturbingly sneaky *&^%$#@ of werewolves". Now... down to business. Nilp's death, although sadly pointless, did at least get rid of the question "Why was he saying "I'm a wolf, lynch me."?" So though we lost a villager, an important question was answered. The death of Spawn hits hard, since she's been a constant blip on my radar. The trouble is, I've mislabeled my radars, apparently, because the blipping's been wrong every time.


I truly detest you people, because every time someone dies, I have to go alter my entire kill list. It makes life more complicated. Now, down to business.


Celuien: Seer? Maybe. If so, nothing conclusive, and I've got that same question for two or three others. And I've been wrong before (many times... stupid phantom, Eomer, Nilp, Spawn). I'm seeing a growing trend with where my wrongness has led indirectly to the deaths of a bunch of innocents. I would like to, now, point out a discrepancy with this unsettling irony: Littlemanpoet.


Each person I've accused has died, though not directly at my hands. I said of tp and Eomer "I hope you both die." and lo and behold, the two died. One at the hand of werewolf-villagers, one at the hand of werewolves alone. Nilp... I was officially confused at his stance as the village suspect. I thought it might be better to just get rid of him. He died. Spawn I had a wee bit of worry about, but that was mainly at the very end of Day One.

They've all died! Except for one person that I've practically shouted that I think is suspicious. On day one, I had four suspects: tp, Eomer, Spawn, LMP. I voted Eomer. On Day Two, I had the very same four because I was working in a limited time frame. I had already discounted Eomer's guilt, but thought it a bad idea to outright say so in case I was wrong. I wanted very much to vote tp, but I didn't want to screw up just because I was annoyed. Spawn, I was no longer suspicious of. LMP, by default, got my vote. Nobody followed up on this. They all pointed to it as "my early vote that was a shot in the dark" or "Fea's trying to discreetly say that we should look harder." (but didn't).


I'm saying now that my vote was entirely a shot in the dark. It was based on my previous suspicions. The second statement is more to the truth. "Of the few suspects I have, he's the only one I haven't yet discounted. Try taking a look for me, since I can't for myself." But nobody did. Anybody noticing my point yet?


Of all of my suspects, the whole lot of them were bandwagoned (or just heavily suspected after I left), slaughtered, and proven innocent. Except LMP, who was ignored. Why wasn't LMP dealt with in a similar fashion?

[Lalaith]

The werewolves were quick off the mark tonight, alas young spawn, I'm sorry I suspected you.
For what it's worth, wherever your spirit dances now: after you voted for Esgal - even before we found her to be a wolf - I realised you were innocent, because to come up with this way of minimising villager deaths was not the action of a wolf. It was a good idea, and one I was grateful to follow. I was fairly sure that Nilp was innocent and as for Hookbill, there wasn't time to review the evidence and I felt I was being pressured into making a hasty decision.

What Esgal's death then revealed...well now. The first round of voting now becomes highly significant. Phantom, who voted for Esgal, was the second to vote. My own reading of the voting sequence that followed indicates to me that Feanor is probably an innocent. The others I'm not so sure about. Firefoot's vote for Saurreg could be read in different ways.
And I am well aware, before anyone else points it out, that Day One's voting in no way absolves me from suspicion. I also realise that my vote for Esgal could also be seen as a clever bluff and doesn't absolve me either.

[Saurreg]

dancing spawn of ungoliant was never high in my list of suspects. However I cannot say the same for Lalaith whom I have very strong suspicions (or should I say convictions?). Last evening's voting was also very peculiar and Anguriel with his reasonings and intents have made me very wary of him also.

These two are my choices today.

Is it just me or is our Seer totally ineffectual at all? Unless something significant occurs I shall stick to my deductions and gut feelings.

Just a quickie: did anyone other than LMP read my last post yesterday? I thought it was a fair and judicious deduction. Funny why no one bothered to take it into consideration...

[Lalaith]

To correct Firefoot's summary, Esga did not vote for me. Esga did not vote at all, she didn't appear, which is why she died. And Nilp got four votes, not three, Celuinen also voted for him.

[Anguirel]

I must say, Lalaith, your vote for Esgal, while understandable, wasn't that helpful...but I saw its motive, and I'm not going to pursue it, for now.

dancing spawn's death was a surprisingly subtle choice for the wolf-kin, but it has at least narrowed down our shortlist.

I am assured, by every due process of the law, that Hookbill-who escaped our pitchforks yesterday-richly deserves the Memorial Gallows on all counts. I am certain that he is the second wolf, and thus draw up the following charges:

Three counts of murder and conspiracy to murder
Six counts of perjury
Impersonation
Protectionism in tree-frog dealing

The only question is, should we hang him and have done with it, or track down his lupine accomplice through reasoning while we're at it? Whatever happens, we should hang Hookbill at the end of the day, but should we tie another suspect alongside him? Only if it's a universally decided suspect, of course.

I fear the third wolf is a talker, a reasoner, a cunning piece of scum, in all probability a lawyer. Someone not unlike myself. For a start, I think that butcher's too dashed eloquent, though my view is somewhat coloured...coloured. Brings me to the Artist, Miss Fea-steered us towards the innocent Nilp...

All in all, I'm really undecided about the third wolf, but if we don't hang Hookbill by sundown I swear I'll pick up a particularly large and sharp legal document and do him in myself...

++HOOKBILL THE GOOMBA

[Lalaith]

Saurreg, you can lead a phantom-style campaign against me if you like, there's not much I can do to stop you.
But if Anguirel and I were both werewolves he would be a brave double-bluffer indeed to defend me so openly. You could suspect either of us, or neither of us, but not both.
For what it's worth, on day two, I suspect the wolves each voted for a different suspect.
One thing I had forgotten to bear in mind until quite recently: the wolves cannot co-ordinate policy "on the hoof" as events develop during the day, as they can only PM at night.
By the way lmp, from a comment about Nilp you made yesterday: the Cursed Villager doesn't actually know he's cursed, I think.

[Saurreg]

Anguriel has not answered my queries yesterday and he has ignored my first post of this round. Instead he goes straight for Hookbill. To all those who might be blinded by his flowery and well-written post, may I point out that he has not given any real reasons of deduction.

EDIT: Lalaith my dear, you will not know how much your pleading and reasoning bites into me. But the facts are facts and i cannot deny them. Your voting styles, choices and explanations does cast much suspicion on yourself. And it is not just me - read around and you'll find that more and more people are against you. We reap what we sow.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I fear the third wolf is a talker, a reasoner, a cunning piece of scum, in all probability a lawyer. Someone not unlike myself. For a start, I think that butcher's too dashed eloquent, though my view is somewhat coloured...coloured. Brings me to the Artist, Miss Fea-steered us towards the innocent Nilp...
Now... "cunning piece of scum" is forgivable, but lawyer?!? And how can you say that I've been steering people? Nobody followed my Eomer-vote on day one (although you had a blast on day two), and you absolutely ignored my LMP-vote on day two. It's not my fault that Nilp was a very public confusion. I just voted. At that point I half expected everyone to say "Let's vote for Evisse instead because we have nothing against her." Much like what happened to Oddwen.

Do you think, when I vote today, people will follow me? If so, I feel tremendously special, but given who I currently plan on killing off, I highly doubt the likelihood.

[Lalaith]

Look, we now know the identity of one of the wolves and instead of flinging accusations around straight away, I really think we should all try to examine the evidence we have. I have inspected Esgal's posts closely but unfortunately she posted so rarely that we have very little to go on. However, as I said before, can we not learn something from the first day's voting.

A wolf was nominated as the second vote, and yet no other wolf stepped in to save her. Why?

EDIT: Saurreg, I wasn't pleading. In fact, I said there was no point in pleading as I couldn't stop you.

[Anguirel]

How am I supposed to answer your queries, old chap?

I can either say "There are some things that great men do that they wish to go unobserved" and then be turned into mince overnight.

Or I can say, "Goodness, Saurreg, you're right. Oops. Aren't I stupid for blindly defending Lalaith? I'm really not very good at this game, am I, ho ho?" This is called the Hookbill technique.

Or I can play a Nilp and laconically drawl, "Lalaith and I are indeed werewolves. We're wondering whether to use parsley or basil for seasoning."

I think I'll do the third. It's the wittiest.

Lalaith and I are indeed werewolves. We're wondering whether to use parsley or basil for seasoning.

But please, could you oblige us by falling for our demoniac ruse and lynching the patently innocent Hookbill anyway?

Thankyou.

[Lalaith]

Dear Anguirel, please convince me that Hookbill is a werewolf. What has s/he said or done that makes you so sure?

[Saurreg]

A wolf was nominated as the second vote, and yet no other wolf stepped in to save her. Why?

I can see two possiblities:

a. The two wolves have long decided to ostracize their unlucky kindred since the beginning. The werewolves win in the end regardless which lycan stays alive and by habing the unwitting one eliminated, they exonerate themselves.

b. In RL Esgal had difficulty balancing her schedule with the game. She was already on the way out via default and there was nothing they could or were willing to do.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ang, ol' boy, I'd fall for your ruse, only... Well... I don't want to. I've made my point about LMP and I'm watching happily to note that, yet again, nobody is paying any attention to it. Which makes me wonder.

[Lalaith]

Actually Saurreg, you missed the obvious answer which would fit in perfectly with your theory: one werewolf (Lalaith) had already voted and the second (Anguirel) wasn't there, remember? So there was no-one to save Esgal.

The problem for me with this theory, however, is that I know it isn't true because I know I'm not a werewolf. But the only person who had already voted when phantom voted for Esgal was me, so even if the absent Anguirel were a werewolf, there still could have been time for the other one to step in. I think that those who voted immediately after phantom are least likely to be werewolves. A werewolf would have waited to see how the voting developed.

[Saurreg]

How am I supposed to answer your queries, old chap?

I can either say "There are some things that great men do that they wish to go unobserved" and then be turned into mince overnight.

Or I can say, "Goodness, Saurreg, you're right. Oops. Aren't I stupid for blindly defending Lalaith? I'm really not very good at this game, am I, ho ho?" This is called the Hookbill technique.

Or I can play a Nilp and laconically drawl, "Lalaith and I are indeed werewolves. We're wondering whether to use parsley or basil for seasoning."

I think I'll do the third. It's the wittiest.

Lalaith and I are indeed werewolves. We're wondering whether to use parsley or basil for seasoning.

But please, could you oblige us by falling for our demoniac ruse and lynching the patently innocent Hookbill anyway?

Thankyou.

Ah...

Let us make a deal, I am very good at that. Infact let this be a deal for all who are interested.

For this round I will not question you or even bug you. I will also leave Lalaith alone I will in fact vote for Hookbill the Goomba. I will even solicit for votes against him.

And for additional insurance we also lynch someone else.

Your part would be to state whom you suspect next.

If you are wrong this evening, then we all go for you tomorrow.

What say you?

[Anguirel]

He hasn't said very much, and what he has said has been a calculated mask, to seem petrified with fear, bumbling, inept. He's essentially been the opposite of the soignee, cool and collected spawn-he has, in fact, behaved in a similar way to you, Lalaith, but with a few crucial cracks that show it isn't genuine.

He backed the right horse-most likely with help from Wolf Number Three-and massacred Eomer. After Eomer's demise and phantom's slaughter, he "went to pieces."

"Oh dear, oh dear, I do believe all my w-w theories are blown to bits. Quel desastre!"

"I was so very SURE it was Eomer, and then so very SURE it was the phantom..."

The ultimate exercise in ship-jumping. Also an oddly callous overall view of events. Someone's lynched, oh, well, that'll be the accuser dead then. Inevitable death unto inevitable death. Gentlemen (and honoured ladies) of the jury, this reeks of lycanthropy.

When accused, he squeaks "Who? Me?"

Eomer saw this worm for what he was with the eyes of death. I say we follow up this prescient gaze. If he's innocent, then I accept full responsibility for my mistake. You won't have to hang me, because I'll drink mistletoe wine at sundown, and go to my venerable brehonic forebears.

[Saurreg]

Actually Saurreg, you missed the obvious answer which would fit in perfectly with your theory: one werewolf (Lalaith) had already voted and the second (Anguirel) wasn't there, remember? So there was no-one to save Esgal.

The problem for me with this theory, however, is that I know it isn't true because I know I'm not a werewolf. But the only person who had already voted when phantom voted for Esgal was me, so even if the absent Anguirel were a werewolf, there still could have been time for the other one to step in. I think that those who voted immediately after phantom are least likely to be werewolves. A werewolf would have waited to see how the voting developed.

Now hush!

[Lalaith]

Saurreg, I don't think you're a werewolf. I believe you are a Shirriff, because the evidence points that way and no-one has come forward to contradict you.

[Anguirel]

Saurreg, I accept your deal with open arms, though I don't guarantee my suspect for the third wolf will be correct. If Hookbill is innocent, as I say, I'll kill myself without ado, and leave you to use your lynchings for a more valulable purpose than punishing a fool.

[Saurreg]

Not all part of his end of the deal is kept (which will be detrimental to him anyway). But nevertheless a gentleman's promise:

++Hookbill the Goomba

I implore all to consider Anguriel's choice and my endorsement.

If Hookbill is guilty andAnguriel perishes tonight, I will explain my reason behind the deal tomorrow. If i perish tonight, then i hope you will all be able to see where I am hitting at.

Edit:If we are both alive tomorrow. Feel free to think what you may of us.

[Lalaith]

We have 24 hours. I find this haste unsettling.

[Saurreg]

We have 24 hours. I find this haste unsettling.

Then call Anguriel and I, one-track minded souls. The type of guys who would persistly try to drive a square peg into a round hole than look for another way around.

'Cause that's LMP's job. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I find myself agreeing with Lalaith, which is unsettling because I find her so sneaky and untrustworthy. ;)

I don't like this haste with Hookbill at all. We've only just begun our day. If one of our sherriffs hadn't already killed himself (stressful job, must be), I would suspect the two of PMous dealings.

PS: LITTLEMANPOET

[Lalaith]

petrified with fear, bumbling, inept. He's essentially been the opposite of the soignee, cool and collected spawn-he has, in fact, behaved in a similar way to you, Lalaith
Oi! Insults are not the way to a wet-nurse's heart, or vote for that matter.

[Anguirel]

Fea, I'm not ignoring you, but I have no idea if I can take your testimony seriously. Are you actually denouncing LMP? If so, elaborate why.

I'm farely sure the third culprit is either you or him...leaning towards him, naturally, because he voted for me. Back up this nascent inclination of mine with a good solid prosecution...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You want evidence... I'm a villager. Since that's a given, it must mean that someone else is a wolf. :rolleyes: ;) Since you won't take that at face value (and for that I commend you), here's something better:

At first I suspected LMP because he was there to suspect. What do I mean by that? I dropped his name [like a rabid ferrit] because he was one of the four that I actually had actually noticed. Everyone else was staying out of the spotlight. Since you can't prosecute with no evidence, I went with what I had (or thought I had).

LMP had picked up a grammatical error on the part of Eomer (which could just be because he's a writer and notices these things). But he didn't drop it after Eomer explained. I took this for teasing, but kept it in mind, for rainy-day-use.

More than anything LMP did, it was just his very presence that got to me. He was one of our resident loudmouths, but his cool, dispassionate loudmouthing didn't sit right. I still ignored that, but brought up LMP's name for the sake of it. I figured "Well... I haven't really got evidence, but let's see what other people think." That totally backfired when everyone ignored me.

So I figured, "Okay... must be I was wrong. No big deal." But then, just for good measure, I mentioned him teasingly in the same post that I condemned non-players. I got bugged for pointlessly bringing him up. That's when I really started to wonder if I was onto something, because before, it had all been "Well maybe"s. Now, after nobody followed up my advisings, somebody was marking me for harassment.

So I played it safe and stepped back, making sure that my insecurity with him was still in the open, but that I wasn't saying "He's a wolf!" Still, nobody touched it.

Even after every other person I've suspected died a horrible death, LMP has been safely out of the spotlight. It got to the point where I was practically yelling "Hey! Just for the heck of it! Look at him! I'm not saying he's guilty, just look!" and still nobody listened.

Which makes me wonder. A lot. Because everyone I suspected died and was proven innocent. Except him. And he's the only one that I never truly changed my mind to innocent on.

[Lalaith]

Why does no-one except me seem to find it in the least bit interesting or significant that a wolf is dead and that we know her identity?

Once again, I beg that people turn off their spotlights for a moment and instead switch on their searchlights.
I think that instead of frenziedly waving our own pet suspect in the faces of everyone else, we should each of us study dispassionately each and every one of the remaining survivors, what they have done, who they have voted for and when. There is time enough for bandwaggoning later.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Why does no-one except me seem to find it in the least bit interesting or significant that a wolf is dead and that we know her identity?
Because it's not because of us that she died? If there had been a voting trail, or alliances, or something like that, we could track it back, but because it was through pure dumb luck that we caught a wolf, I'm forced to stick with Saurreg's theory:

b. In RL Esgal had difficulty balancing her schedule with the game. She was already on the way out via default and there was nothing they could or were willing to do.
If they could already see that she was going to be lynched, there was no point at all in needlessly tying themselves to her.

[Anguirel]

I'm with that. I fear she was pretty irrelevant, as wolves go...

Well, I'll think your plan over, Fea. Of the other choices, Firefoot went after Hookbill, possibly to distance herself from him, but more likely cementing her innocence. Celuien is as unlikely as ever. Evisse also largely gets out on Hookbill grounds...

[Saurreg]

Quite true. One must remember that when The Phantom stuck out for me and I for him, we were automatically branded as werewolves in cahoots. The group is much smaller now and any such signs would be easily recognizable.

It is logical to think that the werewolves are still coordinating with each other. However I will not discount the fact that they are actually acting on their own for individual survival. Risky but effective if it can last to a final three showdown. More power to the "greater" wolf if s/he can somehow paint himself as a main inquisitor of his luckless partner.

[Lalaith]

*tsk* I'm not talking about yesterday's vote, which I agree was irrelevant, I'm talking about the first day's vote. It more or less exonarates you, Feanor, so I'd be more interested in it if I were you.

EDIT: Esgal wasn't even around on the first day so therefore she couldn't have PM'd her fellow wolves to say "look, let me die if someone nominates me tomorrow, I don't think I'll be around much." She may have done this later, of course, but not on that first day.

[Saurreg]

The votes for the first day were either:

a. Flukes. Everybody was grasping in murky waters, trying their luck to the extreme. Vote for the sake of voting or not to be suspected.

b. Calculated votes to gauge the reaction of those who are accused and their detractors/supporters. A form of observation by agitation.

c. A gambit by werewolves to start a first round of random lynching enmass.

Esgalhugwen was not present during the first round. But if we go by my first werewolf theory and apply c.;

The two wolves have long decided to ostracize their unlucky kindred since the beginning. The werewolves win in the end regardless which lycan stays alive and by habing the unwitting one eliminated, they exonerate themselves.

Then two of the werewolves were present in that round of voting. Each sponsoring its own candidate. However Hookbill was not there to vote. Therefore he is either innocent or the two wolves had agreed that only one of them would vote.

[Lalaith]

At the moment, I have a job to do and babes to tend. But when I have time I will go through this entire wretched thread and sift through the evidence so far, and then post my assessment.
But for the moment I will repeat this: I agree that by the time the votes had mounted up, the other wolves (or wolf) might have been tempted to leave their absent friend to her fate, as she was taking so many with her.
But any wolf present in the last hour or so of voting would know that Eomer at least was watching and waiting, and they knew he would save himself by voting for someone else, even if no-one else did. But he voted more or less at random, he could just as easily have gone for Esgal, which would mean that they lose a wolf with no extra gain.
So I suspect that the wolves simply weren't there, or were amongst those who got confused by the timezones, which means that those who voted weren't wolves.

[littlemanpoet]

Assertions and accusations duly noted, all around.

I am accused of courtesy, eloquence, and surviving so far. Thank you. Fea, you are emotive. Does that make you a werewolf? You are still around too. Does your vote make you a deity, that I as survivor should be such a suspect?

Why did they kill dancing spawn, is what I want to know. What could they have been thinking? I intend to look into this further.

Hookbill does seem a rather paper thin lycan. As you know, I think Saurreg innocent. Ang, whom I suspect, has jumped on Hookbill. It may be that he is the just judge, but it may be that he is a werewolf who is cutting his losses.

My half hour lunch time is over. I shall respond when able.

EDIT: Ah! I get it. Don't mind me, a little slow on the uptake. ++ Hookbill Nicely done, sirs. (sneaking back off line not on lunchbreak, bye guys)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Since the lot of you don't give a hoot about me wanting very badly to kill LMP, it looks like I'll have to change tactics, just to make sure my vote isn't "wasted".

I'm now going to point out to you some voting trends that I've noticed.

Celuien voted twice for the innocent Oddwen. This is wrong, but I already forgot exactly how. See Lalaith's next post for the truth.

Hookbill twice voted for innocents.

Lalaith voted once for the innocent Oddwen, but more importantly, voted for Eswen, who did not vote for her, but relying on the word of Tim the Enchanter, I can assure you all that, had she been there, she would have been voting for Lalaith just to confuse us.. They are the only pair of "I'll vote for you if you vote for me" villagers to never actually have voted for each other.

Evisse seems innocent enough, with no votes against her, and she voted for Hookbill and Lalaith.

However, all voting aside, there are obvious alliances, such as Anguirel and Saurreg, and Anguirel and Lalaith.

Think over this information and glean from it what you might. I still say LMP is too polite for this sort of thing. I'd feel much better if he'd just go and insult someone. He's taking my constant battery with such good will that it makes me want to kill him in his sleep.

PS: if LMP dies in his sleep, it's not my fault. Call it poetic irony, if you will. ;)

[Lalaith]

AARGH! Feanor, you're not concentrating.
I'm going to have to re-post. Firefoot's summary is wrong.

This is my previous post:
To correct Firefoot's summary, Esga did not vote for me. Esga did not vote at all, she didn't appear, which is why she died. And Nilp got four votes, not three, Celuinen also voted for him.

Esga DID NOT vote for me. She did not vote at all. She did not appear. OK?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Wow. That was entertaining. I'll have to do it again some time.

[Lalaith]

Nice re-edit, young lady. ;)

However, I did actually wonder about Firefoot's mistake. Was Esga meant to vote for me?
You see what this village is turning us into. Twitching, snapping paranoiacs.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

However, I did actually wonder about Firefoot's mistake. Was Esga meant to vote for me? You see what this village is turning us into. Twitching, snapping paranoiacs.
You know, I wondered about that myself. Remember when I pointed at Firefoot before I had to leave the other day? Even if they're bad reasons, I usually do have reasons for what I say. And now I'm paranoid. But that's half the fun. The other half is the irony that goes along with whatever I say.

"I hope you two die." They die.
"Let's kill Nilp." He dies.
"Spawn is on my mind." She dies.

I do wonder if they'll kill you though, Lalaith, just because I'm directing my thoughts toward you at the moment. No worries... I'll probably give up and return to my well-knawed LMP bone.

[Firefoot]

I've had just enough time to stop in here and catch up. I've no time to comment, but I did edit that first post. Sorry it was wrong; it felt wrong when I tallied it up but I couldn't figure out why... :rolleyes: However, I did actually wonder about Firefoot's mistake. Was Esga meant to vote for me? Believe what you will, it was an honest mistake. Albeit a rather strange one. But this is what happens when you try to count up several votes before recording them...

Anyhow, I am somewhat surprised at how fast the votes for Hookbill are coming in. I'll probably be casting my vote the same way, though I'll hold off for now. If the voting ends before I come back (I hope not, but he only needs two more votes and it's going fast), consider that to be how I would have voted...

[Evisse the Blue]

You see what this village is turning us into. Twitching, snapping paranoiacs.
Aye. True.

Fea, you may have a point. What point exactly, I am not sure though. Are you saying LMP is one of the wolves using your suspect list to prove the innocence of all there are on it, thus making himself as well look innocent? But yesterday, he had no way of influencing the vote against Nilp and he himself voted for someone else, (Anguirel) though I admit that the timing of his vote made it meaningless. He could have cast that vote to distance himself from him, I don't know. Today he hastily casts a vote for Hookbill.

But there's also another side of this argument. That your suspect list, Fea, has truly not a single wolf among them and being a little scared that it would make you look suspicious, you now turn to LMP, in hope that he is the one exception. Or it may be that you're a sneaky wolf whom nobody is suspecting because there are more suspicious characters around. Truth be told I don't quite suspect you at the moment for the same reason.

By the way, I don't think it was Fea that started the 'lynch Nilpaurion' bandwagon yesterday. Like she said, she has voted in the previous days without anyone following her lead. I think it was Anguirel. And his remark is quite weird:

Alas. I want to vote for Hookbill, but to save Lalaith I am forced to second the fickle Fea and vote for ++Nilpaurion I'm-A-Werewolf-And-Proud-Of-It Felagund.

Earlier, he says:

And so, finally, I suggest that we hang Hookbill for longterm benefit, or Nilpaurion, frankly, to put our weary crania at ease.

So you'd rather vote for someone to set your curiosity at rest than for someone who you believe wholeheartedly to be guilty.

I think Hookbill is very much suspicious. But I am also suspicious of his main accuser, Anguirel. In fact, Esga being a wolf seems to suggest that Lalaith and Anguirel are also wolves. This must be so obvious for everyone that it makes it unrealistic...unless: Anguirel, who is a werewolf, chose to protect Lalaith, knowing she is an innocent who has fallen into disgrace; so that when she is lynched and proven innocent he would also gain credence as an innocent.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea, you may have a point. What point exactly, I am not sure though. Are you saying LMP is one of the wolves using your suspect list to prove the innocence of all there are on it, thus making himself as well look innocent?
Wait... what's this point I might have again? My point was that I'm being set up (all my suspects dying) but there's a discrepancy (LMP is still alive). Also, when I pointed out this fact, absolutely nobody paid attention to it. All the rest of my band-wagons worked out for me, but this one hasn't. (think of band-wagoning as a positive thing, minus the dead innocents).

That your suspect list, Fea, has truly not a single wolf among them and being a little scared that it would make you look suspicious, you now turn to LMP, in hope that he is the one exception. Or it may be that you're a sneaky wolf whom nobody is suspecting because there are more suspicious characters around.
I'm really excited that nobody is saying what I would be saying, if I were trying to kill myself. "Look, everybody on Fea's list is dying. That's just too weird to be a coincedence."

[Hookbill the Goomba]

*Shrugs * I suppose it's inevitable. I did not expect to last till the end of the game. I would much rather have been mauled by werewolves than lynched, at least you know were you stand with w-ws. Getting lynched makes you feel that no one trusts you… :( How many more innocents must die before we lynch a true werewolf? There is not much point in my voting now is there?

[Evisse the Blue]

I'd say there is a point in you voting, and you'd better do it anyway, Hookbill.
Not all of us voted yet and if you are indeed innocent, you may convince some of us of the fact if you say what's on your mind.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Evisse has a point, Hookbill. You aren't sunk yet. Struggle a little, won't you?

You need two more votes, unless nobody else shows. I plan on voting, although my choice isn't set in stone just yet. Evisse hasn't voted either.

Our hasty boys that'a'way *points* seem to be following a plan that I haven't decided if I should join in on yet. Since I don't trust two out of three of them, the plan has an inborn flaw already.

[Celuien]

It's a good thing I was able to return early today. Things are moving along far too quickly.

Why in the world did the wolves pick dancing spawn? I would have thought Saurreg the obvious target now that no one is likely to suspect him anymore. Fea might be on to something when she says it could be a set up to make her look guilty. I might have to move lmp onto my possible suspect list if this is a set up.

I wish I could pick up on guidance from the Seer, who must know something by now.

For now, it looks like Hookbill is going to be lynched today. I think he's suspicious, but whether he's a wolf or not, there are a couple of theories that can be tested by voting for him. Depending on who's still around tomorrow...

++HOOKBILL

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nobody else vote for Hookbill yet! Let's lynch LMP along side of him. We'll kill two suspects, and after that, we can start with a clean slate instead of wondering and wasting a day. Even if they're both innocent, we have enough villagers that we can still win.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay... I don't think I can come back before the voting ends, so here's my vote:

++LMP

[littlemanpoet]

I wish I could pick up on guidance from the Seer, who must know something by now.

Everyone, open your eyes and read today's posts more carefully.

I've made my point about LMP and I'm watching happily to note that, yet again, nobody is paying any attention to it. Which makes me wonder.

Feanor, since you scream everything you say, over and over again, it gets easy for the rest of us to plug our ears, after a fashion. Maybe we shouldn't. On top of that, you contradict yourself. For example, And did you truly take my words on LMP for serious? Remember that shortly after, I accused someone else, just for good measure, and in the same sentence, I accused three well-knowns not even playing? I was teasing, and the next paragraph actually said "No, in all seriousness..." Remember? I want to lynch ++ NILP for reasons already stated.

So, were you serious, or weren't you? Such contradictoriness tends to end up in unwanted deaths. When Nilp was contradictory about himself, he got himself lynched. You're contradictory, and wrong, about others, and you're getting a bunch of innocents lynched, saving your own neck. Some help. You're more harm to the village than good, I'd have to say. Which brings up the much needed question, are you an experienced villager, playing a brash, bold game of werewolf throwing the suspicion everywhere but home?

Now, even if I were a werewolf, which I'm not, so you can waste your useless vote on trying to lynch me, why on earth would I set you up, since you're an insufferable, screaming loudmouth who gets so focused on your own pet wrongheaded projects that you can't even STOP! to see the clear signs being laid down by your compatriots.

Two more things. You have been incomprehensible. Who can make sense of your diatribes? You lost me, except for the oen thing you're addicted to: "lynch LMP! lynch LMP! lynch LMP!" How could you expect any serious villagers trying to find the real werewolf to listen to you? Not to mention your bloodthirsty lust for lynching fellow villagers! :eek:

Okay, all insults duly posted, as requested.

Why then did the werewolves kill dancing spawn? Allow me to posit a few theories, since the wise amongst us will soon have placed their votes to lynch Hookbill.

To shut up the correct and/or dangerous.

First, let's distinguish between those lynched, and those killed. Since the villagers as guilty of the deaths of those lynched as are the werewolves, it's harder to be able to say much there. So let's concentrate on the killed.

dancing spawn voted for Esgal, who was a werewolf. She was correct. By all intents and purposes, it would seem that she made a lucky guess. So maybe there was another reason the wolves killed her. What might be a second possibility? Why do werewolves kill villagers, besides for hunger? There is the danger aspect. How could dancing spawn be dangerous to the wolves? Could it be that they thought she was the seer? After all, anybody who knows anything in this game knows that the werewolves would want to get the seer out of the picture, and everyone of us here knows that the seer is not yet dead. So spawn was correct about esgal, which might lead the werewolves to guess that she was the seer.

the phantom had a plan and was most arrogant about it, but his plan, had it been followed, would have served to foil the werewolves in their search for the seer. This was its strongest merit. He also showed great incisiveness in his reasoning. So perhaps he had a good chance of correctly deducing which amongst us are the werewolves.

Azaelia is still a puzzle to me. She showed no special aptitude outside the norm (which ain't bad at all, my friends :)) . So I don't know. Correctness? Danger? Neither seems to have been in greater abundance than in any other villager.

All I can think of is one other possible motive, which, I believe, has been mentioned already, by phantom, I believe, which is that they are killing at random with no real logic to follow precisely to keep all of us innocents quite confused, at least until the seer picks the right "person" to dream about.

All this said, the people I'm pretty sure are not werewolves are Saurreg and Anguirel, which is a radical change from my position yesterday, but that's for you to figure out for yourselves. Lalaith still seems suspiciously tied to Eswen in getting Oddwen tied up with Eomer.

[Anguirel]

I endorse this. Fea, you've swayed me for the moment. Right-thinking citizens, jump on LMP. May the artist finally have spoken wisdom, though it seems too good to be true...

LMP had better not beat Hookbill, though. That would kill a possible culprit rather than a primary one...

EDIT: Ooo, LMP is trying to buy my favour. Tempting...

[littlemanpoet]

Ang, I don't try to buy favor. I go with the evidence. Maybe sometimes I suck at it, but the evidence seems pretty clear to me, so I've cast my vote in the logical way. I'm not saying it outright because I'm trying to preserve the services of certain individuals who have made themselves as clearly evident as they dare ... wisely.

See it how you like. Lynch me if you like. When you see another untransformed corpse hanging from the scaffold, take a good hard look at Feanor.

In fact, I hope the Seer dreams about Feanor tonight. I'd like that cleared up once and for all.

[Anguirel]

A cogent defence...but hardly an uncommon one. You could, after all, both be innocent...

Naturally enough, my eye now defensively lingers on Evisse again. But I realise that this is biased by her attack. Perhaps she's just seizing the vacant anti-Anguirel position. Someone has to do it, I suppose.

LMP and Feanor, you could be developing a Eomer/Phantom feud. Of course, if one of you is justified, they won't know it, (unless they are the Seer, and neither accusation seems firm enough) but their opponent will. The irony!

I fear Feanor's invective has affected the Courts of the Assizes unduly...I trust the butcher more, but I am willed nonetheless to support the artist. Charisma, magnetism, call it what you will, I'd rather hang LMP first.

My reservation-the third wolf (Hookbill taken for granted, whatever his mewing) is the last wolf. You'd think their defence would be more desperate and unyielding. But LMP has masked his emotions well before. All the same...all the same...ugh.

It's probably Firefoot, due to the principle of the cussedness of nature...

[Evisse the Blue]

This is quite a tricky thing to do, Anguirel and Feanor. Besides seeming yourselves very suspicious right now, you have posed to the rest of us remaining to vote (Firefoot, Lalaith, Hookbill and me) quite a puzzle. Since Hookbill is by now so resigned to his fate as not even bother to cast a vote (something that, by the way, points to his innocence, rather than his guilt; with one of his mates gone, and still a clear numerical advantage for the villagers, he's showing a bit too much resignation. Unless he's an atypical wolf and his resignation is meant to fool us - which I must say, is working quite well in my case), that leaves to the rest of us the burden of a decision. What if we end up lynching two innocents? It is a possibility. What if one of us, not willing to take such a chance, steps in to break the tie, and saves LMP, who later proves to be a wolf? Then we are immediately seen as suspicious. But I am most suspicious of the ones who already voted. Anguirel for one. I don't think I'll vote for LMP, as I can't find anything important to incriminate him. If I'm to follow what evidence we have, I'd vote for Lalaith, and not care if anyone would follow me or not.

I have to go to sleep now, for today has been long and exhausting, and I won't hurry to cast a vote now that I may regret later.

[Firefoot]

Fea's continued case against LMP has me confused. I do not think she is the seer, otherwise I would probably go for it and vote for LMP. As it is, though, I do not believe that LMP is guilty. I will not be voting for him unless I see some really good evidence. So far I haven't seen anything remotely close.

And, alas, I have come to the end of the time I currently have... more in about 2 1/2 hours.

Quick edit: It's probably Firefoot, due to the principle of the cussedness of nature... "Principle of the cussedness of nature"? Um... okay.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So, were you serious, or weren't you? Such contradictoriness tends to end up in unwanted deaths.
But I wasn't being contradictory about myself, I was being contradictory about you. I know I'm innocent. I assumed you were until you didn't die.

You're more harm to the village than good, I'd have to say.
Wrong. But it's not like I haven't heard it all anyhow. "Kill her early. It saves you a headache." But I'm the mysterious and misunderstood artist. Nobody gets me. They look at my work and ask me what had me so depressed I did it. Never mind that it might have been a random thought come to fruition on paper...

Which brings up the much needed question, are you an experienced villager, playing a brash, bold game of werewolf throwing the suspicion everywhere but home?
you're an insufferable, screaming loudmouth who gets so focused on your own pet wrongheaded projects that you can't even STOP! to see the clear signs being laid down by your compatriots.
You can all lynch me, if you like. I'll die happy, knowing that I drove LMP to insult.

You lost me, except for the one thing you're addicted to: "lynch LMP! lynch LMP! lynch LMP!"
If you'd died, I'd have given up and thought "Crud... now I have to alter my kill list again. If you'd garnered suspicion, I'd have dropped you like a hot potato. Until I got somebody to pay attention to me, I wasn't about to stop.

And really, you make it sound like I don't know what's going on. I just don't tell you what's going on. I make it my hobby to randomly accuse people and see what happens. What did someone call it? Observation by agitation? It's a great philosophy. Just because you guys are confused about me doesn't mean that I'm not carefully writing down everything you do in response to my words, as well as marking all of yours.

So there. :p

Oh, and now that I've gotten a decent answer out of LMP, go ahead and kill Hookbill.

[Lalaith]

there are a couple of theories that can be tested by voting for him
This is very true, Celuien, and having read the thread right through, I return now to find that Hookbill's fate is more or less sealed. I too think I get the plan and will go along with it. ++Hookbill
Much, perhaps all, may be resolved in the next 24 hours. What Hookbill's status is revealed to be, and who the wolves (or wolf) decide to kill tonight, will tell us at least half of what we need to know.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well... Hookbill's officially dead. See ya ol' boy. Can't wait to see your fangs bared at the lynching.

I'm still vaguely depressed that LMP is still alive... Just for the sake of it.

[Firefoot]

I see that I'm too late, now that I actually have some time. Oh well... I suppose it couldn't be helped. Hookbill, I hope you're a wolf...

[Saurreg]

Anguriel - before this day ends, would you at least post whom you think are not werewolves?

[Anguirel]

Alright.

Celuien is certainly not a werewolf, due to conduct, voting reactions, style, emotional response, yada yada yada.

Saurreg, you are of course the remaining obsolete Shirriff.

Lalaith I could still be wrong about, which would be irritating. But I'm genuinely taken in by her mathematical hopelessness and apparent honesty, not to mention the entente cordiale we seem to have formed.

LMP is a suspect-although our dear Artist has now let go of him abruptly, as a leech lets go of a wound...which puts Fea in the running again.

Firefoot is probably on our side and gifted, but could also be a werewolf, traitorously turning on the doomed Hookbill...

And is Evisse's distinct refusal to see the wood for the trees as suspicious as it seems to me? I suspected her a while back...

[Lalaith]

I'm grateful for Anguirel's trust, and it would be very politic of me to concur with his assessment of me as mathematically hopeless.
But even though I am just a humble wet-nurse, I am a proud woman and in case I should die tonight, I don't want to go down in Tol-in-Gauroth history as a fool. I would like to point out that making a vote-counting mistake in the heat of the last minutes is not actually a sign of congenital stupidity or indeed of lycanthropy. Even our mighty and wise judge Anguirel was caught out yesterday, thinking Evisse had scored a draw. And Firefoot tallied up the scores wrong, in the cool light of morning, after all the excitement was over.

So you see we can all do it.

[Anguirel]

Absolutely. And do all do it. I'd be suspicious of anyone who always got their figures right. Sauron teaches many a mathematics course, so they say...

[Evisse the Blue]

If Hookbill turns out a werewolf, I'd be the least suspicious of LMP, who voted quite early for him today. So in that case, Feanor's suggestion of lynching them both together makes absolutely no sense. The more I think about it, the more I tend to place her on top of my suspect list.

Anguirel, I do see what you're hinting at. The only thing that's keeping me back from trusting you is other evidence. You led the attack against phantom, you're protecting Lalaith whom I still strongly suspect, you did not suspect Esga at all. Now you also seem to suspect me, and since the only certainty I have is of my innocence, that does not add to your credibility in my eyes.

Since Hookbill is doomed, and perhaps justly so, I see no reason to cast my vote. I agree that his death and the one that will follow during the night, will tell us a lot, perhaps all that we need to know.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Well, to be dead, I feel I still have some things to say. When you all finally see my festering human body in the streets, look to Fea who seems to have am agenda against me for no strongly founded reason.
If anything, this game has taught me not to become a detective :p

It's been fun guys, but this is my final farewell, good luck with killing those werewolves, and next time, don't kill an innocent. :rolleyes:

[Lalaith]

Hookbill my dear, if you are innocent you will not have died in vain, the survivors shall be looking at all sorts of people, don't worry.

[the guy who be short]

The village had decided. Hookbill the Goomba would die this DAY – what was a Goomba anyway? Some orcish word for Werewolf? Most suspicious.

The Goomba, whatever it was, was led to the recently finished Oddwen Memorial Gallows (constructed in less than two days!). He was lead up the wooden steps to stand upon the wooden platform. Due to time restraints, there was no trapdoor, but the villagers wouldn’t let this stop them.

The noose was put around Hookbill’s neck. He was pushed off the platform into the air.

The pole of the gallows snapped.

Hookbill the Goomba landed, slightly choked but still alive, on his stomach. The villagers ignored him, instead starting to cast blame for the failure of the O.M.G. upon one another.

“It’s your fault!” one of them accused another. “I told you the pole was too thin.”

“Me? No, it was the rope, too thin I tell you.”

“This would never had happened if we’d put in a trapdoor…”

“HEY!” one of the villagers shouted. “The Goomba is getting away!” The villager cast a stone at Hookbill, who was rapidly crawling away from them.

The Goomba cried out as the stone connected with his body. Standing up, arms held up in peace, he returned to them.

“My fellow villagers,” he began, “Is it not clear to you that I am innocent of all guilt? For is not the snapping of the gallows evidence that Eru wishes me to live?”

“I’d say it was evidence of shoddy workmanship,” one of the villagers interjected.

Hookbill ignored him. “For Eru protects the innocent, and so, surely, I must be innocent. Why else would the Iluvatar choose to save me from certain death? For surely it is by the hand of the Allfather that I am saved, and He that created us intervenes now to protect his offspring. For what-”

A stone hit him between the eyes, causing him to crumple in a most interesting fashion.

“I couldn’t stand his babbling anymore,” the thrower explained, hurling another stone at the fallen body. The rest of the village soon took to the idea. Why had they wanted gallows at all? Stoning was so much more fun! Look at the interesting dents they were creating!

Eventually, it was clear that Hookbill was dead. The villagers kept throwing stones anyway, since there wasn’t really much else to do.

Suddenly, the form of the Goomba erupted out of the small mound of stones, growing in shape, form and power. A terrible transformation took hold of his deceased form as his legs and arms exploded into muscular, wolvish limbs and his face elongated into a lycanthrope’s snout.

The villagers had finally managed to lynch a wolf.

For tradition’s sake, they shoved a frog down his throat before going off to celebrate.

Living:

Anguirel
Celuien
Evisse the Blue
Feanor of the Peredhil
Firefoot
Lalaith
littlemanpoet
Saurreg

Dead:

the guy who be short (Villager) - partially consumer by werewolves on NIGHT 1.
Kath (Ranger) - lynched by villagers on DAY 1.
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Villager) - turned into a pincushion on NIGHT 2.
Oddwen (Villager) - lynched with kitchen utensils on DAY 2.
Eomer of the Rohirrim (Villager) - lynched and drowned on DAY 2.
the phantom (Shirriff) - poisoned himself on NIGHT 3.
Nilpaurion Felagund (Villager) - pitchforked to death on DAY 3.
Esgallhugwen (Werewolf) - probably choked on a tree-frog on DAY 3.
dancing spawn of ungoliant (Villager) - definitely choked on a tree-frog on NIGHT 4.
Hookbill the Goomba (Werewolf) - Stoned to death on DAY 4.

Score:

Werewolves: 1
Villagers: 7

It is now NIGHT. NIGHT will end in 24 hours at 1:30pm BST, 8:30am EDT, 7:30am CDT, or earlier if all activities are received by then.

[the guy who be short]

The villagers woke up, fearing the worst. Who would be taken this night? What terrible vengeance would the remaining werewolf exact?

Anguirel, the brehon, was missing from the village square. The rabble of villagers that still lived walked to his home, on the outskirts of the small village. He lived in a small shack near the woods, though he often left and wandered through them to commune with bears and the like. Hopefully he was simply away...

The villagers pushed open the door to the shack. Theatrically, it creaked ominously before slowly admitting them into the brehon’s abode.

The townspeople at the back of the crowd pushed those at the front in reluctantly. The reluctance was due to the fact that those at the front could actually see the inside of the hut, which requires a short narrative for the reader to fully appreciate it.

Huts, as we all know, are generally on the small side. This shack contained the one, standard room, and was sparsely furnished according to regulations; the only furniture being a small, wobbly wooden table. This was in the middle of the room.

On top of the table was a head. Anguirel’s head to be exact. It looked woefully up at them, though how it managed this without any eyes was a bit of a puzzle. The long hair was matted with blood, and the head was roughly severed at the neck.

This brings us to the question of where the rest of the body was, which is quite an interesting one really.

An arm was directly in front of the doorway, in a large pool of blood. There was part of a leg – was it a thigh? – underneath the table, in a pool of blood. That squelchy thing by the far wall looked like a liver. It was in a pool of blood. Oh, look, there was the other arm in the middle of the room. It was in a pool of some suspiciously bloody looking red liquid.

Various detached parts of Anguirel’s body were spread around the floor like some sort of horrendous jigsaw puzzle. As well as the small pools of blood these dominated, there were quite a few free-standing puddles of blood dispersed around the room. Oh, and the walls, don’t forget the walls, they were splattered too. With blood, incase you hadn't guessed.

So you can now understand the reluctance to step inside the shack.

The werewolf had presumably eaten Anguirel’s eyes (the only part of his body not littering the floor, excluding the tête-sur-la-table of course), and the various, now-blood-stained crystals and charms around the place now certified what most of them had already guessed. Anguirel was their Seer, and now he was dead.

A closer look around the room revealed something else startling. There were no frogs. None at all.

Now the wolf was serious.

Living:

Celuien
Evisse the Blue
Feanor of the Peredhil
Firefoot
Lalaith
littlemanpoet
Saurreg

Dead:

the guy who be short (Villager) - partially consumer by werewolves on NIGHT 1.
Kath (Ranger) - lynched by villagers on DAY 1.
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Villager) - turned into a pincushion on NIGHT 2.
Oddwen (Villager) - lynched with kitchen utensils on DAY 2.
Eomer of the Rohirrim (Villager) - lynched and drowned on DAY 2.
the phantom (Shirriff) - poisoned himself on NIGHT 3.
Nilpaurion Felagund (Villager) - pitchforked to death on DAY 3.
Esgallhugwen (Werewolf) - probably choked on a tree-frog on DAY 3.
dancing spawn of ungoliant (Villager) - definitely choked on a tree-frog on NIGHT 4.
Hookbill the Goomba (Werewolf) - Stoned to death on DAY 4.
Anguirel (Seer) - Ripped apart by werewolf on NIGHT 5.

Score:

Werewolves: 1
Villagers: 6

It is now DAY. DAY will end in 24 hours at 1:30pm BST, 8:30am EDT, 7:30am CDT, or earlier if a majority is reached before then.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Celuien
Evisse
Fea
Firefoot
Lalaith
LMP
Saurreg


Celuien, you've been long since cleared. Saurreg, you also. Lalaith, I will accept Ang's vote of confidence for you, and I give Firefoot my own. I'll be very put out if one of you lets me down on this.


Evisse, LMP: I'm left with the two of you. I'm loathe to actually believe in LMP's guilt any more. His swift figuring of Ang's role in our village, and subsequent vote, point far away from him. Not to mention that that last Fea-inspired outburst put my mind to rest quite nicely. Besides, I had bigger fish to fry (remember the "good, now you can kill Hookbill").

But our sadly dead Seer (if only we hadn't kill our Ranger...) fingered Evisse early on, using terms like "sinister" to describe her. Also,


And is Evisse's distinct refusal to see the wood for the trees as suspicious as it seems to me? I suspected her a while back...


Yes, it is. Perhaps, like Ang theorized, she was just taking up the vacant anti-Anguirel post, but what would be the point of it? To take suspicion off of him as being the Seer? There's no reason for it, as by then, even the most hard-headed of us (yes, I was pointing at myself for that) had figured it out. My theory is that if I could STOP! ;) long enough to take a closer look, AND figure it out in the early afternoon (yes, LMP, before you yelled at me), that the wolf just had to know by nightfall (which, of course, is why poor Ang died so bloodily).


So here are the rest of us saying "Ang, tell us what you know before you die!" and here's Evisse saying "I'm not convinced. What makes you so sure of this?" Does this hit anyone else as being fishy?


How many other people would like to kill a wolf today and celebrate? Raise your hands now, wee ones.

[Saurreg]

So our Seer is dead. Rest well Anguriel - you would be missed.

As of now I should explain why a deal was made with Anguriel. In my first post of last round, I mentioned that our seer was pretty-much ineffectual. This promptly led Anguriel storming in and casting his vote for Hookbill in his first post. He then made the following quote in reply to my query;

I can either say "There are some things that great men do that they wish to go unobserved" and then be turned into mince overnight.

I could be mistakened but I do believe that was his way of trying to tell me that he was the seer.

With a still-large population of villagers to go by, I thought correctly that I could allow myself to follow his lead. Hence in the deal I wanted a double lynch and also for him to name his other suspects. The second lynching was a provision in the case that before last round started, he had asked already and knew whom the other lycan was other than Hookbill. I wanted him to name his other suspects for similar reasons also.

Anguriel did not keep his part of the deal - that led me to believe that he was not successful in his nightly missions.

Hence with a few hours to spare before the deadline, I asked him to list those whom he thought were innocent. I have reason to believe that he has made four inquries, found out that they were innocent and revealed some of them in his reply,

Alright.

Celuien is certainly not a werewolf, due to conduct, voting reactions, style, emotional response, yada yada yada.

Saurreg, you are of course the remaining obsolete Shirriff.

Lalaith I could still be wrong about, which would be irritating. But I'm genuinely taken in by her mathematical hopelessness and apparent honesty, not to mention the entente cordiale we seem to have formed.

LMP is a suspect-although our dear Artist has now let go of him abruptly, as a leech lets go of a wound...which puts Fea in the running again.

Firefoot is probably on our side and gifted, but could also be a werewolf, traitorously turning on the doomed Hookbill...

And is Evisse's distinct refusal to see the wood for the trees as suspicious as it seems to me? I suspected her a while back...

I hereby submit that from the list of the seer, that Celuien and Lalaith are innocent.

Our suspects now boil down to:

Evisse the Blue
Feanor of the Peredhil
littlemanpoet
Firefoot

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You can kill me if you want, but please, kill Evisse first. If she is proven innocent, I'll kill myself, just to make life easier for you.

[Saurreg]

Unfortunately the rules of the game states that only those whom are accused stand a chance of dying. Suicide via dramatic post is irrelevant unless you care to put double crosses before your name and bold the entry. ;)

[Evisse the Blue]

I'm very sorry, Anguirel...for what it's worth. :( If it comforts you, though I doubt it will, wherever you are, I'll soon be made to pay for my mistake, by the looks of it.

I kind of 'predicted' that you'll be against me today.

Think a little, though, what kind of lunatic werewolf - knowing she is the last, would be so transparent yesterday as to accuse Anguirel, after Hookbill's death was decided? But if you decide to lynch me just to be rewarded with the certainty of my innocence, I won't make too much of a fuss to stop it. I realize I have it coming for being so wrong in my remarks about Anguirel. And even if an innocent is lynched today, the villagers still have the numerical advantage needed to win, if they use what evidence they have wisely.

But, even if Anguirel protected Lalaith, I still cannot let go of my suspicions against her. Every action of hers (and by actions I mean votes) points more or less towards her guilt: it could be mischance or it could be sneakiness, especially since after reading her excellently composed posts I always tend to give her the benefit of the doubt. Notice, Saurreg, that even Anguirel's last words about her were no more of a hunch than ours are.

On the other hand, it could well be that either Feanor or LMP is the last remaining wolf.

I am very hesitant to make any judgements right now, because my recent failure in judgement is still fresh in my mind.

I want to remind you though, that I was right at least in suspecting Esga (though at that moment it was overlooked) and I voted for Hookbill when he should have been lynched, on Day 3. I also did not vote for innocents at the time when the two wolves we are certain of were busy blending in and creating ties.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The depressing thing is that I'm currently so convinced that I'd actually do it tomorrow, just to keep my word.

[Saurreg]

Think a little, though, what kind of lunatic werewolf - knowing she is the last, would be so transparent yesterday as to accuse Anguirel, after Hookbill's death was decided? But if you decide to lynch me just to be rewarded with the certainty of my innocence, I won't make too much of a fuss to stop it. I realize I have it coming for being so wrong in my remarks about Anguirel. And even if an innocent is lynched today, the villagers still have the numerical advantage needed to win, if they use what evidence they have wisely.

Quite right. If we go by my dual theory of werewolf voting behaviour, I'd say the last wolf voted for Hookbill to save its own skin. Look for the votes there. Signs such as sudden reversals in belief, voting patterns or just plain too-good-to-be-true posts explaining the rationale behind the votes may yield alot.

But, even if Anguirel protected Lalaith, I still cannot let go of my suspicions against her. Every action of hers (and by actions I mean votes) points more or less towards her guilt: it could be mischance or it could be sneakiness, especially since after reading her excellently composed posts I always tend to give her the benefit of the doubt. Notice, Saurreg, that even Anguirel's last words about her were no more of a hunch than ours are.

There was really an entente between them. I somehow doubt that no matter how cunning it was, our last lycan would not place itself in such a risky position. Werewolves would usually try to stay involved but not form quasi-long term alliances or partnerships

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Day One: absent
Day Two: Lalaith
Day Three: Hookbill

[Saurreg]

Littlemanpoet also suspected what I suspected - that Anguriel was the seer.

Whether the realization came from a human or werewolf perspective remains to be seen.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Saurreg, don't worry about LMP right now. He can be dealt with if we're wrong about Evisse, but I feel that it's very important that we take care of her first.

[Saurreg]

The cursed villager still walks among us and I fear that if we miss today, we will end up with two werewolves tomorrow.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

That's not necessarily true. I was under the impression that 1) the cursed doesn't know he/she's cursed and 2) if he/she dies during the DAY hours, nothing happens.

Our cursed could be dead and rotting for all we know. On the other hand, we've still got fond memories of our Seer, who highly suspected Evisse.

Do what I did and go down through the list, if you don't want to take my work for it:

Celuien: cleared by Ang
Fea: cleared by Fea, somewhat believed by Ang
Firefoot: cleared (at least for now) by me, mostly unsuspected by Ang
Lalaith: cleared by Ang
Saurreg: cleared by Ang, second Shirriff
Evisse: not even remotely cleared by Ang, very suspicious by me
LMP: not particularly cleared by Ang, latently suspicious by me

If we kill Evisse, we're following up on the words of our late (great) Seer. If she turns out innocent, then oops, oh crap, we'll kill Fea. How's that for a deal? You've still got the numbers to win. Take my word on this one, and then if I'm wrong, kill me. You really can't lose.

[Firefoot]

Those Ang believed innocent without a doubt now have *'s around their names.

Day 4

Hookbill - 5 (Anguirel, *Saurreg*, lmp, *Celuien*, Lalaith)
lmp - 1 (Fea)

Did not vote: Evisse, Firefoot

Voting of:
Day 3 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=395783&postcount=286)
Day 2 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=395516&postcount=224)
Day 1 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=395113&postcount=111)

I am in agreement that Evisse is probably our third wolf. As a rule, when she votes, she has voted late when the outcome of the voting was pretty much decided. Because of this, it would make sense for her to vote for Hookbill on Day 3, but abstain on Day 4 (indeed, giving every possible reason not to vote for him).

Saurreg, we don't know if we still have the Cursed villager or not. If the cursed villager was lynched, we wouldn't know it. All we would know is that we lynched a villager - therefore it could have been Oddwen, Nilpaurion, or Eomer. We don't know. (It says so in TGWBS's first post.)

[Saurreg]

Unfortunately what we believe in may not be shared by others.

I am tempted to propose a double lynch - of both Evisse and LMP. However that would require the cooperation of Celuien, Lalaith and Firefoot.

Both E & L might vote for each other but chances are they would choose a common third party in the dying minutes of the round and dump their votes on him. It would then be up to anyone of us two (with very quick reflexes) to level out the votes again so that in the end three would be executed.

I am quite confident that by employing such drastic procedure, we would stand a high chance of lynching the last werewolf today.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm up for it Saurreg. It would simplify (and complicate) things to get it all over in a swift double-lynching. Simplify because they're both dead, but complicate because we don't know when voting will end so we'd have to hover all day. However, if we can't figure out a way to get them both, then do not worry about LMP. It's more important that Evisse dies today.

[Evisse the Blue]

I know I said I wasn't gonna offer any new judgement and let myself get lynched without a struggle but I want to point out that it makes sense for the remaining wolf to go with a vengeance after someone so transparently guilty like myself.

Secondly, as an innocent that I am (which will be revealed at the end of the Day), I know I don't have any clear certainties even at this point. So it really doesn't make sense for the innocents to focus on one individual and completely overlook the others. Feanor seems pretty desperate to accuse only me, based only on Anguirel's hazy suspicion, which, I'd like to point out, couldn't have been supported by any dream.

Saurreg's idea of keeping the remaining cornered beast in check by lynching more than one person today would work well I think.

But it all depends on who will be the other choice.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Evisse, the reason I'm all over you like ants on honey is not only because Ang pointed to you.

There's also my list. Some members I could cross out because Ang cleared them officially. Others, I crossed out because I cleared them personally. When I got to the end of the list, I was left with you and LMP. Since I only latently suspect LMP, while I think that your transparency is you practicing my long time belief of it being a great idea to hide in the open, I see you as the more dangerous one.

[littlemanpoet]

I was going to say much that Saurreg has already covered in his first post of TODAY. There is, however, one thing he is wrong about: Lalaith I could still be wrong about...Lalaith was someone about whom our late Seer was not sure, but hoped he was.

I wish that Ang had not been quite so "Feanorian" in his response to your "ineffectual seer" post, because Hookbill's doom was already pretty much assured. So I bemoan the fact that he said he'd kill himself if Hookie was innocent, because that really left no room for doubt that he knew he'd be dead today anyway by being so blunt about it. So Hookie was going to get lynched anyway, but we could have had our Seer still undercover and available to dream of the werewolf on this latest night. For all we know, he DID dream of the werewolf, but cannot tell us for obvious reasons. So a bit of mercurial self-defense has let the werewolf slip our notice yet again. :mad:

Granted, Saurreg, that if Ang had not been so blunt, you might have been after his hide and we might have had a double lynching of both seer and werewolf, but the odds of that were, I don't know, something like 6 to 1.

So now we must take a stab at who the last werewolf is. I noticed this from Saurreg:
If we go by my dual theory of werewolf voting behaviour, I'd say the last wolf voted for Hookbill to save its own skin. Look for the votes there. Signs such as sudden reversals in belief, voting patterns or just plain too-good-to-be-true posts explaining the rationale behind the votes may yield alot.

As you noted in a later post, a sudden voting reversal could be seen in either light. Quite right. If I were the werewolf, and I kind of knew that Hookbill was going to get lynched, I'd have switched my vote the first opportunity I saw. But I'm not the werewolf, and I was, as I said before, responding to the seer's clear indication.

By the way, the cursed villager may not still walk among us. If the cursed villager is lynched, she or he is dead. Only if a werewolf kills the cv, does the cv become a werewolf.

I believe my posting history bears out that I have been suspicious of Evisse myself. Of course, Feanor's mercurial play continues to leave me unsettled as well.

[Lalaith]

Most excellently played, gallant Anguirel. You have not died in vain.

At least his death has cleared up what has been worrying me for days, that he might be werewolf. I knew (obviously) that I was innocent, so as soon as Anguirel started defending me, I realised the only way he could know, was because he was either the Seer or a werewolf.
If he was a werewolf, he was befriending me in order to gain credibility for himself, when I was killed and my innocence proven.
I was worried, you see, by his and Esgal's absence on the first day, and drew a possible link between this and the failure of anyone to defend Esgal when phantom nominated her. To add to this theory there was the death of Azaelia on the first night: she was the first on the list, alphabetically, *after* Anguirel. Neither Esgal nor Anguirel were there that first night, so left to his own devices, the lone wolf, especially if he were a nervous newbie, might simply have gone for the first one on the list.
Anyway, enough of this now-redundant theory, Anguirel has proved to be honest, wise and true and now we must honour his memory by catching the last werewolf.

We are now thanks to Anguirel, fortunate enough to have three proven innocents: Saurreg, Celuien and myself, which puts the villagers in a very strong position. I know some of you have pointed out that Anguirel didn't unequivocally back me in his last post. To this I would reply that I think he was trying to leave a bit of doubt, for a slim chance of being left uneaten last night.
I don't think he would have risked voting for Nilp to save me, instead of Hookbill who he knew for sure was a wolf, if he hadn't been sure I was innocent.

I agree that we need to do some mass lynching in order to win, and I'll co-operate with Saurreg on this. But I'm sorry to do it because innocents will die and I quite understand that villagers who have got this far want to survive until the end.

[Lalaith]

Oh but Saurreg, I'm not entirely sure who to lynch, as we have a day I think we should discuss the possibilities. I want to go through the evidence first so that we pick wisely.
It would be a total bummer if, despite a double lynching, we failed to get the wolf and he then was lucky enought to land himself a recruit overnight. That way we would be down to 3 villagers and two wolves, not a good place to be.

[Evisse the Blue]

Actually let this be the fortune cookie of the entire game.

Evisse, the reason I'm all over you like ants on honey is not only because Ang pointed to you.

There's also my list. Some members I could cross out because Ang cleared them officially. Others, I crossed out because I cleared them personally.
Could you elaborate on that?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Of course, Feanor's mercurial play continues to leave me unsettled as well.
I am unsettling. I am mysterious. I do things for reasons that I am unlikely and/or unwilling to explain. You think I'm going to stop acting that way just to please you? Perhaps if you all read a bit closer to what people have been saying, you wouldn't be so confused by what I'm saying.

There's also my list. Some members I could cross out because Ang cleared them officially. Others, I crossed out because I cleared them personally.
Could you elaborate on that?
*facepalm*

Sure, why not. Innocents are underlined.

Celuien: cleared by Anguirel with no room for doubt.

Fea: duh.

Firefoot: She backed me in the very beginning, saying that intentionally killing innocents (tp's campaign) was a bad idea. What kind of wolf campaigns against killing innocents? Also, although he left room for doubt because he wasn't certain, Footie was very low on Ang's suspect list. He didn't clear her exactly, but he wasn't worried about her, and niether am I.

Lalaith: been allied with our Seer from the beginning. That can't be taken for granted. Yesterday I accused her on faulty evidence, but once it was corrected, I saw how slip-shod that particular theory was and dropped it. I've actually got a working theory that she's our Hunter, which is part of why I don't want to kill her. She'd take someone else out with her, and I'm not sure who that person would be. If she planned on taking out, say... LMP... I'd say "Sure, let's kill her. We might be wrong and she could be the wolf and not a hunter, but if she is the hunter, she takes out one of my biggest suspects." But since I'm pretty sure she's innocent, and I'm not nearly so sure if she's Gifted, I'm not even going to bother offering up the idea of slaying her.

Saurreg: inarguably our other Sherriff. If anybody disagrees on that theory, they've yet to mention it.

LMP: I latently suspected him at the beginning, and then decided against it. Then my framing went awry when he was the only one of my suspects not to die and be proven innocent. Which led me to believe there might have been a reason that he wasn't dying... such as the wolves don't kill their own. When everyone ignored this, I screamed at people until they paid attention. Once the idea had been properly addressed, I dropped it. Right now, I don't think he's guilty, but that doesn't mean I don't think we should kill him... just to be on the safe side.

Evisse: the only one of us to have seemingly no clue that Ang was the Seer. The rest of us were like "Oh, hey... we found the Seer. Let's all listen to his inarguable defenses and accusations of people." And many of our Seer's comments were saying "Evisse is sneaky" or "has anyone else been worried about Evisse?".

Is that better?

[Lalaith]

Whoever the Hunter is, I think we should be glad we still have him or her.

Feanor, I think that Anguirel's comments about Evisse were based on his deductions as a player rather than his dreams as a seer. If he had really dreamt of the third wolf he would have gone after them like a rat up a drain, particularly as he knew he was almost certainly going to die last night.

Btw, yesterday I said I thought you (Feanor) were innocent, purely based on your voting on the first day. I do however now qualify this statement, as I subsequently realised that this deduction was based on someone being a rational player rather than someone being bonkers as conkers. And I mean that in the nicest way - bonkers is as good a strategy as any, frankly.

[Evisse the Blue]

Is that better?
Slightly. :p
You still haven't offered anything beyond personal opinions and most of all uncertainties of your own, which hardly count as evidence.
Either you're a wolf, Fea, or an innocent who seems bent on playing to her own tune, which seems rather to harm villagers, instead of helping them.

Evisse: the only one of us to have seemingly no clue that Ang was the Seer. Let's all listen to his inarguable defenses and accusations of people." And many of our Seer's comments were saying "Evisse is sneaky" or "has anyone else been worried about Evisse?".
Are you serious about this? *laughs in spite of herself*
And you think if I were a werewolf I'd be so blatantly suicidal to actually come out and say it? You forget the advantage werewolves have over villagers. If I were a werewolf myself I'd have been the first to know he's the Seer, based on his accusation of Hookbill. So at that moment saying 'Hey I distrust Anguirel even if the rest of you don't' wouldn't be the very smart move for the remaining werewolf. It would be the very opposite of sneaky. So make up your mind, am I dumb or sneaky?

I actually want to point this out, if you people are going to go by the Seer's last words, both when it comes to me or to the others, be careful. The Seer can base his suspicions on Dreams or on hunches, analyses, like the rest of us. I believe his last words were merely personal beliefs, not backed by Dreams. Except for Saurreg, who was cleared beyond any doubt.

[Lalaith]

So at that moment saying 'Hey I distrust Anguirel even if the rest of you don't' wouldn't be the very smart move for the remaining werewolf.

well actually it would, because by his identifying of Hookbill, Anguirel could also have been a wolf, playing a desperate game of survival.
(Similarly, the real werewolf, playing a desperate game, could have left Anguirel alive last night. Had Anguirel still been here this morning, some of us would have thought, hey, he's more or less blatantly said he's the Seer, how come the wolf didn't eat him? Maybe he is the wolf after all?)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Btw, yesterday I said I thought you (Feanor) were innocent, purely based on your voting on the first day. I do however now qualify this statement, as I subsequently realised that this deduction was based on someone being a rational player rather than someone being bonkers as conkers. And I mean that in the nicest way - bonkers is as good a strategy as any, frankly.
Oh goodness... I haven't laughed that hard since... Well, not since Sunday night. But before that... it hadn't been since Friday.... however before that... Well... it's been a happy week. But I just laughed really hard. I'm glad to hear you like my strategy. I've had it planned out from the very beginning, you know.

Either you're a wolf, Fea, or an innocent who seems bent on playing to her own tune, which seems rather to harm villagers, instead of helping them.
Dum dum diddly diddly dum di-dum. I can't very well dance to anyone else's tune, since I don't wholly trust anyone else, whereas I know that I've got the best of intentions. Or at least I did. I beginning to second guess them now, and change them to fit my mood. ;) :p

No... I'm going to stop short right here and be serious for a minute. Pay close attention, because it won't last long, and I'm soon to go back to playing games to watch reactions.

Anguirel did not trust Evisse.

And is Evisse's distinct refusal to see the wood for the trees as suspicious as it seems to me? I suspected her a while back...
Naturally enough, my eye now defensively lingers on Evisse again.
I'd come up with more quotes, but there are many, and I don't feel like hitting copy/paste that many times. I trust Ang's judgement even if it's not backed up by a Dream, because he is not as quick to accuse as I am. I observe by way of messing with people's heads and seeing the outcome. He asks questions and reserves his comments until after he's thought for awhile. He wouldn't randomly accuse, much unlike me. As I've said before... take out Evisse and if I'm wrong, so be it. Judge me in whatever way seems fair to you, but before you do it, think hard and publicly on who you all suspect.

[Firefoot]

I agree with what Fea said in post 375. My real suspicion against Evisse right now is complete lack of suspicion on the part of anyone else. I am about 95% sure that she is our wolf.

I am not particularly for the idea of a double lynching (mostly because I am still fairly confident that lmp is innocent). I can see the logic of doing so, though, so if everyone else is for it, I guess I'm in.

I do think that we should be taking Ang's last words with a grain of salt: the only two that he absolutely cleared are Celuien and Saurreg. Beyond that, his speculations are about as trustworthy as any of ours. While I am inclined to accept Lalaith's innocence, we cannot absolutely discount her.

The other thing is, Evisse, you have been launching a "don't lynch me, don't lynch me!" campaign, but you have not told us who you think should be lynched and why...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Betcha it's me.

Because I'm spear-heading the kill-Evisse campaign. But that's not what she'll say. ;) It's probably have something to do with me being fickle, never being right, and being a constant confusion. :D

[Evisse the Blue]

The other thing is, Evisse, you have been launching a "don't lynch me, don't lynch me!" campaign, but you have not told us who you think should be lynched and why...
I am not starting an 'don't lynch me campaign'. Here's what I said in my first post today:
I won't make too much of a fuss to stop it. I realize I have it coming for being so wrong in my remarks about Anguirel. And even if an innocent is lynched today, the villagers still have the numerical advantage needed to win, if they use what evidence they have wisely.
I started interfering (and who can blame me for staying out of a debate? surely not the rest of you, people) when Saurreg suggested to have more than one lynching. I did not offer any judgements because I cannot guarantee you I'm gonna reach a logical conclusion. I have made one big mistake so far not recognizing the Seer and you'll understand that I don't want to make such a mistake again when the village is so close of getting rid of werewolves once and for all.
I am however at the moment most suspicious of Feanor (based on the same defensive reaction that Anguirel used against me, so if you're gonna buy that as being sound, you have no reason to doubt mine) and Lalaith for reasons stated many times before (and not only by me).

Betcha it's me.
Because I'm spear-heading the kill-Evisse campaign. But that's not what she'll say. It's probably have something to do with me being fickle, never being right, and being a constant confusion.

And would I not be completely right in saying so? :D
But I have a feeling you won't be leading the campaign against me for long. As soon as the votes for me gather, you'll start picking on someone else. And this is because you'll realize you're wrong, and you hate people telling you that you're wrong. :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

But I have a feeling you won't be leading the campaign against me for long. As soon as the votes for me gather, you'll start picking on someone else. And this is because you'll realize you're wrong, and you hate people telling you that you're wrong. :p
Hey, give me some credit! I haven't spear-headed or bandwagoned anyone yet. As soon as the votes for you gather, I'll be extremely relieved. Once you die and I find out the truth, I'll either sigh with relief and start accepting compliments, or I'll sigh with secondary relief and proffer myself to the village as sacrifice for screwing up royally. I doubt the latter need happen though, since I doubt I'm wrong about you.

Although... I'm starting to wonder if you are the Gifted one, and not someone else. It would explain why you interfered at mention of a double-lynching... if you died, as well as someone you didn't suspect, AND you thought you might be wrong on whoever is most recently on your kill-list... You'd hate to see three possibly-innocents die.

[littlemanpoet]

We are now thanks to Anguirel, fortunate enough to have three proven innocents: Saurreg, Celuien and myself...

Lalaith I could still be wrong about, which would be irritating. But I'm genuinely taken in by her mathematical hopelessness and apparent honesty, not to mention the entente cordiale we seem to have formed.

I conjecture that my post #371, though posted almost 45 minutes before Lalaith's post # 372, escaped her notice and that there may have been cross-posting. How else could she blithely have claimed innocence based on the faulty reasoning previous to my post?

Allow me to be clear and concise: Anguirel did not declare Lalaith innocent. Rather, he had a hunch that he really wanted to believe, and would have been very irritated were he wrong. So if Lalaith is the final werewolf, and we foolishly assume her innocence based on the faulty reading mentioned above, we lose.

I find it more than a little worrying that Lalaith has been so quick to follow up the misunderstanding of Anguirel's words by claiming innocence that has in fact not been proven. Does this make Lal the final werewolf? No, but it sure does make her suspicious, especially if we add in her typical failure to account for cross posting, mathematics, and other such mis-steps. She is suddenly looking a lot more suspicious to me than Evisse, and even a little more suspicious to me than Feanor.

So I'm asking all of you to reconsider your current spear-heading against Evisse and take a closer look at Lalaith. I'm not trying to protect Evisse, either. I'm going with the evidence instead, same as yesterday.

Oh, and Lalaith, this would be a good time to offer what defense you can ... if you can. ::LMP looks her way with narrowed eyes::

[Evisse the Blue]

No, I'm not a gifted villager. Since I'll be lynched today anyway, and this will be revealed, I might as well say it. That great responsibility is not laid on me, fortunately (or unfortunately).
You want to know who I'd go after if I were, though? Lalaith. I am so taken aback by the fact that none of you suspect her, though, that I'm starting to doubt the clarity of my judgement.

EDIT: Cross posting with lmp. So I'm not completely mad yet. :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++EVISSE

For reasons already stated, and at this time, because I have to leave. I hope you all see my reasoning (which, quite honestly, is actually Anguirel's reasoning) and, because it's not my own, take it more seriously than you would otherwise.

[Lalaith]

Lmp , are you a politician as well as a butcher? Your talent for quoting out of context certainly points that way....allow me to repost the rest of what I said.

I know some of you have pointed out that Anguirel didn't unequivocally back me in his last post. To this I would reply that I think he was trying to leave a bit of doubt, for a slim chance of being left uneaten last night.
I don't think he would have risked voting for Nilp to save me, instead of Hookbill who he knew for sure was a wolf, if he hadn't been sure I was innocent.

Look, I want the villagers to win and so should anyone else who really is a villager. Whoever we lynch, it isn't personal. The logical reason for a double lynching today is that one of us might still be cursed, and if we (the villagers) kill them rather than the werewolf killing them, then we are still in control of the situation.
You're welcome to lynch me if it will make you feel better, and I hope we still win whatever, but it does seem silly to agitate for the lynching of someone who isn't a proper suspect when we have four who are an unknown quantity.

Of these four, I am currently suspecting Firefoot the least. The other three, I need to think about.

[littlemanpoet]

I know some of you have pointed out that Anguirel didn't unequivocally back me in his last post. To this I would reply that I think he was trying to leave a bit of doubt, for a slim chance of being left uneaten last night.

This is a far wilder conjecture than mine, and does nothing to remove suspicion from you, Lalaith. The seer had made himself baldly, blatantly obvious to everybody but Evisse. All it does is to show that you are trying to use his quoted doubts about you as some sort of proof of innocence through a leap of logic only a person scrambling for a defense would try. It doesn't work that way; sorry m'dear. I'm getting closer to voting for you, so you had better try again.

... by his identifying of Hookbill, Anguirel could also have been a wolf, playing a desperate game of survival.
(Similarly, the real werewolf, playing a desperate game, could have left Anguirel alive last night. Had Anguirel still been here this morning, some of us would have thought, hey, he's more or less blatantly said he's the Seer, how come the wolf didn't eat him? Maybe he is the wolf after all?)

And let's imagine that whoever the werewolf is, had left Anguirel, the known seer, alive last night, and that said werewolf decided to get into a desperate game of "I'm the seer and s/he's the werewolf!" "No, I'm the seer and s/he's the werewolf!" Thrown into confusion, the village would be left with no recourse but to lynch them both, agreeing on a tie. Whoever the werewolf is, would see this as certain doom and avoid it.

[Lalaith]

I'm getting closer to voting for you,

Of course you are. And we both know why.

[Firefoot]

Well, I was seriously ready to vote for Evisse until she said this:No, I'm not a gifted villager. A true werewolf would have left this possibiltiy open: anything to stay alive. This would be an absurd thing for a werewolf to say. So now I'm going to have to look at the rest of you a little more closely...

Excluding those not explicitly cleared by our Seer (and myself), there are:

Fea
Lalaith
LMP

Of these three, I am most inclined to vote for Lalaith. I had been uneasy about her, and then laid off it. However, I do not think that LMP is a wolf, and if Fea is, then she is a pretty dang good bluffer. I don't think Fea is a wolf either, just an emotive innocent. That leaves Lalaith. Hm.

I'll have to think about this some more, but Evisse may not be getting my vote after all.

[littlemanpoet]

Nor mine. So far, Feanor's track record for voting (except in the case of Nilp) is to choose someone that nobody else agrees with her about, because she's - um - how was that said? - bonkers as conkers. :)

Since Lalaith has failed to do any better than cast aspersions at me by way of defense, I must do my "civic" duty and vote: ++ Lalaith There. Done. Sorry if this is wrong, but you seem the most suspicious to me.

[Saurreg]

I see we have new developments. More to come,

[Celuien]

I hereby submit that from the list of the seer, that Celuien and Lalaith are innocent.

Our suspects now boil down to:

Evisse the Blue
Feanor of the Peredhil
littlemanpoet
Firefoot


I had a feeling that Anguirel was the seer. I'm glad our wise judge identified a wolf before they found him out.

Like many have said above, I find Evisse's post in which she tosses suspicion on Anguirel disingenuous. I'm also inclined to trust Anguirel's judgment, even if it wasn't backed up by a dream. Of the remaining non-cleared villagers on Saurreg's list, I'm really not particularly suspicious of anyone. If Evisse turns out to be an innocent, I will be very surprised. But since Lalaith was never specifically cleared, if Evisse is innocent, I will be highly inclined to suspect Lalaith.

I have to leave now and probably will not be back before the deadline. Therefore, my vote goes to ++EVISSE.

*crosses fingers and hopes we've found the last wolf*

[Firefoot]

Well, since I can't be sure that I will be awake in time for the voting deadline, I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote for ++Lalaith. Evisse just doesn't seem like a werewolf.

[Saurreg]

There goes my plan.

I will vote later.

[Lalaith]

Saurreg, not necessarily, but I'm going to have to sacrifice myself I think.

Villagers, you've cocked up bigtime. I AM innocent. Saurreg's plan was the way to victory and I think you might now have blown it.
But I'm willing to die - but save the village, hopefully, if Saurreg agrees to my plan.

I think of Anguirel's two chief suspects, Evisse might be innocent. She consistently suspects me and still suspects me now. She's wrong, but fair enough. Lmp I think doesn't really suspect me, because he's used such sophistry in his arguments, they're just not genuine. He's whipped up suspicion against me deliberately to save himself. I think lmp is the wolf. Either that, or he's a very selfish villager.

At the moment, we have two votes for me, two for Evisse. Lets see which way Evisse votes. If she can be persuaded, for the good of the village, to vote for lmp, I will vote for him too, and Saurreg, you must abstain. Then I die, but I take two possible wolves with me.

If Evisse votes for me (even in the face of the above) then Saurreg, please vote for Evisse and I will do the same.

PS. If Feanor is the wolf, hats off to her. She hasn't had a single vote the whole game.

[Lalaith]

I forgot to mention, (although I'm sure you've worked it out) that my three-way-lynching plan is something of a gamble.
If neither lmp or Evisse turn out to be the wolf, that's three of us gone, and the wolf kills someone else tonight. Almost certainly either Saurreg or Celuien, one of the proven innocents.
So the villagers will be down to three tomorrow, and two of you are going to HAVE to get it right.
However, I think the odds are still ok and so Saurreg I still think my plan holds good.

[Lalaith]

I've got to go now, and won't be back until just before voting deadline, so I'll just add a final plea to Evisse and Saurreg.
Evisse, whether you vote for me or not, you're almost certainly going to die anyway. If you vote for lmp, we will know you are innocent, and you will have the consolation of dying alongside me, another innocent, and helping to save the village.
Here's how I hope things will pan out:
if none of us three who die today is a werewolf or a hunter, that leaves Saurreg, Celuien, Firefoot and Feanor. Who will the wolf kill? The obvious choice is Saurreg, but a bold and rash wolf might kill one of the other two, even though he stands a 50:50 chance of killing the hunter, because he might still find the cursed villager.
But whatever happens what we should be left with tomorrow is three villagers of which at least one proven innocent. So that should swing it for us.
Go on, Evisse and Saurreg, please do it. You know it makes sense.
Oh, and if the hunter is killed, I *really* hope he makes the right choice. That is another way we could still mess up.

[Evisse the Blue]

Please convince me to vote for lmp, because I was gonna vote for Fea. So far her suspect list has consisted only of innocents, (sort of like mine) and I doubt she's in a position to help the village, even if she's not a werewolf, which would be the logical assumption, if the person in question was not Fea.

A three way lynching is a too risky thing to do, in my opinion. It's a gamble indeed, and it denies us the only advantage which we had: bigger numbers.

[Lalaith]

Evisse, the only way you voting for Feanor would work is if both Saurreg and myself also voted for her and I'm just not sure.
I know that killing 3 of us tonight sounds a bit extreme, but I think it will work.
I would like you or Saurreg to read over my conclusions about how things will pan out: if all 3 of us are innocent, and how we would almost certainly still win. If you can see any glaring errors in my logic, please point them out, I may have overlooked something obvious.
What happens in the possible other scenarios, given the current voting?
1. Lalaith, an innocent, dies alone. The werewolf kills someone ( probably, unless he is very bold, one of the two known innocents) in the night, then you are five, of which only one is a known innocent.
2. Evisse dies alone. If she is an innocent, the same scenario as 1.
3. Feanor dies alone. Ditto.

EDIT: I won't be back for a while now. Talk it over.

[Lalaith]

*pant* just back for a final point:
The good thing about speeding up the process with more lynchings is because we thus minimise the number of kills the wolf can make. Because whoever we the villagers lynch, we can't turn a cursed villager into a werewolf and we won't lynch a known innocent (Saurreg, Celuien). We need as many known innocents alive for the final vote as possible.

[Evisse the Blue]

Yes I think I see an error in your logic: you seem very sure the werewolf will try to kill the cursed villager. But it's more than likely the cursed villager is already dead among all those lynchings of innocents, as has already been suggested. Either way, the risk is too big for her/him and (s)he risks too much to kill the Hunter who may yet have the chance to save the village. No, the remaining werewolf knows (s)he stands a much bigger chance if he kills Saurreg and leaves for tomorrow three villagers suspicious of each other. We all know how innocents can accuse innocents, right? As far as I can see, this last wolf is very cunning and relatively sure of her/his victory. We haven't even made him/her sweat. I was half expecting today to see someone so obviously desperate, that it would be a dead giveaway. But maybe we didn't give him/her cause for desperation yet. He/She may be far from the list of suspects even.

I am surprised that my declaration that I wasn't gifted convinced Firefoot of me being innocent. Since the only remaining gifted is the Hunter, and (s)he is more useful to us dead than alive...

Also Celuien's hasty post was not entirely consistent with her analytical posts so far...

I need a little time to think. I'll cast my vote soon.

[Evisse the Blue]

Lalaith, why didn't you cast your vote for lmp already since you clearly suspect him the most? Why wait until the very end of the voting to do that? Even if I choose to vote for you, Saurreg could come along and make this a tie like he intended from the beginning, so the both of us will die anyway. You give me no great reason to trust you by holding out like that. And now I have the burden of deciding if this will be a triple tie or not. As I said, I am basically against the idea because the villagers will stop having the numerical advantage over the wolves. I don't think the odds of still having the cursed villager among us are so high that we need to lynch half of the population in one day.

I think I will give up my democratic right to vote. Sorry. I do not believe in lmp's guilt almost at all. If he's a wolf, then I'll admit I'm dumb and that my part is in the kitchen. :p I'd vote for another person, which would either be Feanor or Firefoot, but I'm pretty sure the two remaining to vote won't follow up on that, so it would be a wasted vote. So that makes it up to you, Saurreg and Lalaith, to decide this day's outcome.

Needless to point it out to the rest of you - if Lalaith chooses to save herself, despite the fact that she proposed as many lynchings as possible today, you need to watch her carefully tomorrow.

[Lalaith]

Evisse:
I have to wait to vote for littlemanpoet, because I need to see what Saurreg and you agree to. That is the only reason I'm waiting, believe me.
And no, I am NOT saying the wolf is more likely to go for the cursed villager. I said that he was more likely to try for Saurreg.
And why are you casting doubt on Celuien? Whatever she does, she is categorically to be trusted, the seer said so. There will not be three villagers suspicious of each other tomorrow, as the wolf cannot kill both Celuien and Saurreg tonight. There will still remain one trusted villager.
Where is Saurreg, for heavens sakes? What does he think? Saurreg and I could still pull off my plan, unless Evisse is the wolf and will step in at the last minute to vote for me. Even though everyone will then realise she is the wolf, she might be gambling desperately that she will kill the cursed villager tonight and so outnumber us tomorrow morning. Its her only hope of survival, now.
I will re-state my case against lmp. It was because the reasons he gave for suspecting me were mostly dishonest smears. Eg
typical failure to account for cross posting, mathematics, and other such mis-steps
This just isn't true. I may have made mistakes, but I have accounted for them openly and honestly, perhaps more than any other villager. He could, if he really suspected me, have accused me of doing this as a double-bluff, but to try to rewrite history is just plain dodgy.
Also lmp doesn't address the issue of Anguirel voting for Nilp to save me, which I think was a fairly strong point in my favour.
Anyway, at the moment I actually suspect Evisse as much as Lmp so I still think they should both die and I would still be prepared to die myself to make this happen. But I'm not sacrificing myself just for Evisse who would probably die anyway.
Saurreg?

[littlemanpoet]

Lalaith, your latest pleas have convinced me of your innocence. I'm sorry I voted for you. Maybe it would be best to lynch three of us after all, so that we do have known innocents outnumbering the remaining werewolf. So if lynching me helps the village, go for it.

[Saurreg]

2 votes for Lalaith, 2 votes for Evisse the blue. I will make my vote now:

++littlemanpoet

Now we will see where Lalaith goes from here. If she is true, three will die today. If not...

Once you die and I find out the truth, I'll either sigh with relief and start accepting compliments, or I'll sigh with secondary relief and proffer myself to the village as sacrifice for screwing up royally. I doubt the latter need happen though, since I doubt I'm wrong about you.

I pray this holds true.

[Lalaith]

Phew. Thank you.

++littlemanpoet

Goodbye everyone, and good luck. I hope this is the end and that the wolf will be found today.
If Evisse steps in to vote now, we'll have found the wolf even before the lynching.

[Lalaith]

PS Saurreg, satisfy the curiosity of a doomed woman, what's that quote of yours?

[Saurreg]

That was quoted from Feanor of the Peredhil in one of her posts today.A quasi-vow she made to kill herself if Elvisse was innocent. I pray firefoot and Celuien would see it and remember.

EDIT: Post 383 to be exact.

[Lalaith]

I've just thought. Unless Evisse slips in with a sneaky vote now, (in which case she's definitely the wolf) I suggest that if the Hunter is killed today or tonight s/he is probably wisest to choose to kill him/herself.

Because if the Hunter screws up and kills an innocent, I believe I'm right in thinking that the wolf definitely wins. What do y'all think?

[the guy who be short]

The village had decided. To save the known innocents and to (almost) secure a victory for the villagers, three brave souls would surrender their lives.

"Evisse... She was the first to garner votes, so she shall be the first to die. Farewell, baker" one of the villagers said.

"And fortune cookie maker," Evisse interjected, "I make fortune cookies too. My cookie for today was 'you're screwed,' incidentally. I found that amusing."

The villagers looked at her. She shrugged and stepped forward, ready to die for the sake of her village. The Odd-noose was tied around her neck, the newly fitted Odd-trapdoor swung open, and her neck snapped.

She hung there, swaying in the wind, limp. And her body remained that of a sweet and humble baker-maiden. They had erred.

As the Odd-trapdoor was moved back into place, the Odd-noose was removed from Evisse's neck. Her body was thrown off the platform (nightfall was closing in, they didn't have time for ceremony).

"Lalaith... Lalaith shall be the next to die. Let us hope she is the werewolf."

"I will die gladly, if the village may be saved," she replied, "but innocent am I, and innocent have I ever been. You slay now one of your own."

Proudly, she stepped up to the Odd-noose. She lowered her head, and it slipped around her neck.

The Odd-trapdoor disappeared from under her feet. She felt herself falling - falling? That shouldn't happen! The rope had come off the frame of the gallows!

What was it with this village? Why couldn't they make gallows properly? Oddwen would be spinning in her grave, if she had one (they had decided to leave her in the street. Nobody wants to touch a carcass, after all).

Lalaith fell through the trapdoor. Unable to prepare, she landed with a thud as her neck broke. The gallows had served its duty, if not in the appropriate manner.

The villagers looked down. Would she transform? Was this the final wolf?

Nope. Another innocent was dead. They turned to littlemanpoet.

"How does this work without a functioning gallows?" he inquired.

"Looks like we'll have to revert to a good old lynching, old boy. Wait here while we get our pitchforks, would you?" they replied.

Five minutes later, LMP was surrounded by the four remaining villagers. Just for of them. He could do it...

The butcher roared, lifting his head and howling at the newly risen moon. His body expanded, bursting out of his bloodstained apron, as hair and muscle sprouted all over his body.

The villagers shivered and shuffled backwards in fear. They had found their werewolf... or he had found them. What now?

LMP looked menacingly at them. He bared his teeth, saliva dripping from his jaws as he advanced upon them. They had to fight, or he would kill them all! But who would dare to attack such a powerful, furious beast?

Feanor of the Peredhil, Werewolf Hunter, stepped forward, crossbow in hand. The wolf eyed her. She eyed the wolf. Time froze.

"Aure entuluva!" she cried suddenly, her voice piercing the silence as she loosed her bolt. It flew true, striking the wolf in the heart. LMP made a strange gurgling noise, presumably indicating pain in the Black Speech.

He keeled backward. She ran forward. Sword in hand, she sliced, and the werewolf's head vacated his shoulders. He was dead.

They had won! The villagers had defeated Sauron, servant of Morgoth, on a small personal level. And if they could do it, so could others all around Beleriand. There was still hope, hope for the long war of the Noldor...

VILLAGERS WIN!

[the guy who be short]

Seer dreams:

Night 1 – Celuien
Night 2 – Nobody
Night 3 – Saurreg
Night 4 – Hookbill the Goomba
Night 5 - Feanor of the Peredhil


The cursed villager was Oddwen.

Wonderful game!

[Saurreg]

Victory!

[Lalaith]

And some stonkingly good deaths, mr moderator. Three cheers for you from the depths of the gallows.

[Saurreg]

Pray tell; is this the first time good triumphed over evil here in the barrow-downs?

[Saurreg]

What the heck...

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5949/vfeaglecopy1da.jpg

Good game everyone.

So the wide-net strategy worked eh? Good.

Anguriel - you were the man! Nicely played. I hope what I deduced were what you intended to reveal.

At first I thought Fea was the seer because she went for LMP.

[Firefoot]

Yes, Saurreg, this is the first time the innocents have won.

But, Kudos, lmp - I never suspected you for a wolf.

Fea, I had started to wonder whether you were the hunter. It was finally making sense why you were being so... noisy. And it seems that you were right about lmp all along.

[Lalaith]

No, I didn't suspect him until right at the end, when he launched his attack on me.

I thought our Seer was ambigious about me because he might have dreamt I was cursed. That was one of the reasons I was willing to die at the hands of the villagers. Now I see he didn't dream me at all. Well guessed, Anguirel. And a good move re Feanor, you let us continue to suspect her as she could be useful dead.

[Kuruharan]

Congratulations to the villagers for proving that wholesale slaughter is a viable defense!

"We must destroy the village in order to save it!"

;)

[Saurreg]

Drastic but effective. But it can only work with a large number of villagers to go around with.

Thank the stars that the cursed villager was already dead. S/he was my main concern on this day.

[Kuruharan]

Drastic but effective.

I can see a potential problem from the villagers point of view, though.

It might not be something you'd want to try too often... ;)

[Evisse the Blue]

LOL! I can't believe it! *shakes head* I've screwed up big time, but thankfully you were smarter than me. Now it's all falling in a place. :rolleyes: No hard feelings, I hope, Lalaith. ;)

I can hardly be blamed though for not suspecting lmp, as I see not many did either. Except Feanor; expect her to drop in any second with the words "I knew it all the time". He played an amazing game throughout, he deserves all the praise.
In fact everyone played very well.

All in all it was a great game, but I'm extremely happy it's over. :D

And as for the Seer not dreaming on Night 2: I later assumed he dreamt of Eomer that Night because he protected him the next day and helped lynch phantom. And see, he did not dream of Lalaith. ;p

[Saurreg]

I can see a potential problem from the villagers point of view, though.

It might not be something you'd want to try too often... ;)

No kiddin. I only wanted a double lynch but werewolves being werewolves opted to take along an additional villager for the ride. *Shrugs* What were we supposed to do?

We should call this the "W-W IV Everything Goes" Technique.

Fortune favours the bold.

[the phantom]

Way to pull off the multiple lynching. That's exactly what I would've done, though I would've pushed for a five-way tie just to be safe- only leaving Celuien and Saurreg, the proven innocents, alive.
Congratulations to the villagers for proving that wholesale slaughter is a viable defense!
A mass lynching is always the way to go when there is only one wolf left. You simply excuse the proven innocents from the voting and assign everyone else to vote for each other so that everyone is tied at one vote a piece and the villagers win. If someone steps out of line and doesn't vote the way they were assigned then you have found your wolf and the proven innocents step in with their votes and kill them.

Circular voting always works. It's a technique I use quite often in real life games of Mafia (a game just like Werewolf).

I was happy to die when I did since I knew that the wolves could not kill the seer while they were busy killing me- but sitting back watching the game unfold was quite a trial. I kept on wanting to jump in and say something. I'm sure the others who died know the feeling.

It was fun being a sheriff with you, Saurreg. I think we pretty much did as much good as we could.

[Lalaith]

No worries, Evisse. :smokin:

The only point of wholesale slaughter is if you have, as we had, one or more known innocents. They are vital, strategically, and everyone else is expendable.

[Lalaith]

Phantom, you couldn't have had a five-way killing.
You had to have at least 3 villagers other than the werewolf still alive because otherwise he would have killed one of the two survivors in the night and won.

EDIT: Sorry, just read *your* edited post. I see what you mean.

[Saurreg]

The honor was all mine Phantom. Had you not stuck up for me in round two, I would have very well perished early in the game.

I am also glad the game is over and I think this would be my first and last.

Good play Lalaith - you have much credit for bringing the villagers to victory.

[Lalaith]

Well, I had to do something to redeem myself. :rolleyes: Well done yourself for your deal with Anguirel and thanks for believing me.

I am also glad the game is over and I think this would be my first and last.


Ha! I know exactly what you all mean. I feel quite drained...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And here I thought that the good move on my part was to scream at LMP's guilt. Oh, and to make sure he was always poised to die, should you all go insane and lynch me.

My idea for proffering myself yesterday was one that my brother saw after I posted and fell out of his chair. "Wait... so if one suspect isn't guilty, they kill you, put their minds at ease, and you're guaranteed to kill the one you've wanted dead all along? That's awesome!"

Well-played everyone.

Ang- fantastic, ol' boy

Celuien- if you'd been a wolf, I'd never have known. Well done.

Eomer- Way to die! Also, way to spar with tp. That's always fun.

Eswen- wish I'd seen more of you

Firefoot- fun, wasn't it?

Hookie- I'll ne'er take ye for an innocent again.

Kath- sorry you died so early

Lalaith- Hehe... you as the Hunter.... I think I accused everyone of that at least once. Did anyone pick up on my plan, once they read what I said about her? "If she choses, say... LMP, and dies..." :p Very excellent sacrifice, m'dear.

LMP- I'm glad I'm a stubborn lass. Would have been depressing to give up on that one.

Nilp- Absolutely fascinating! "I'm a wolf, lynch me." :D

Oddwen- where your death came from, I'll never know. I missed out on that one entirely.

Saurreg- thanks for kicking me in the head with your comments until I paid more attention to Ang.

Spawn- You'll love one of my death requests. It was before my suspicion of LMP cemented (Night One, maybe?), so I was still casting around to play it safe:

I give you now my last request
And hope it works out for the best.
If I die before the dawn,
I'm taking with me Dancing Spawn.
She's posted thrice, but never voices
Anger, confusion, or personal choices.
Her presence is felt, but it's low-key
Which makes me think a wolf, she be.
It's funny that I should now accuse
One who, first post, I set out to abuse.
The one thing though, I truly fear
Is that I'm slaughtering our Seer!

tp- I considered you with every role known to man. I wanted to vote for you just because your arrogant healer talk annoyed me to no end, but I'm glad I refrained (even if it was for different reasons than your innocence).

And now, for my early and earnest calls for closer looks at LMP, plus my astonishingly cool slaying of him, I will be accepting gold token, flowers (black roses, if you don't mind), and praising (with great praise). ;)

Fickle Fea indeed.

[Lalaith]

I'm so glad our esteemed moderator let you kill lmp, Fea. You thoroughly deserved to.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Me too Lal. I almost screwed up big time yesterday (yep, admitting I'm wrong), although your sacrifice would have fixed it. For a space of maybe two hours, Evisse was in the space LMP had been keeping warm. It occured to me though, that I could get the village to vote for Evisse, but since I'd been trying days to kill LMP with no avail, I needed to back down publicly with him, but leave his head in the figurative noose.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Even though I died very early in the game, :( , I've been reading and guessing along with everyone still alive. It was great fun!

I think that was the first werewolf game here that the villagers won, though I could be wrong.

I'm looking forward to playing the next game, hopefully I'll last longer... ;)

[Lalaith]

Yes, I felt for those who died early. Particularly those in whose demise I played a part. *sheepishly offers some of Feanor's black roses to Oddwen and Kath*

I wonder what did happen to Esgallhugwen? I've checked and she hasn't been back since she disappeared that day...must have been very annoying for poor Hookbill and lmp, they were already at a disadvantage, what with this being such a big game....

[Oddwen]

Me, cursed? That would explain the poorly constructed gallows *groan* :D

It's a good thing I was lynched, though, I've been screaming about Lalaith for days...

Good game, everyone!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

poor Hookbill and lmp, they were already at a disadvantage
True about it being a big game, but LMP had the advantage of nobody thinking he was guilty. I'm curious, LMP, what did you think when I started bashing you? And very nice work with the early vote for Hookbill. Clever.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Congratulations for the long-expected victory! It was great to play with you all!
If I die before the dawn, I'm taking with me Dancing Spawn.
Well, I'm glad you didn't die that night :D
I've been reading and guessing along with everyone still alive. It was great fun!
Me too, but as phantom said:
I kept on wanting to jump in and say something.
It was hard when you didn't get to say your opinions.

[the guy who be short]

The game actually ran into difficulty before it even started. I'm not sure if anybdy noticed, but mormegil said he would be in the game but didn't appear in it. Unfortunately, Hookbill accidentally PMed him, thinking he was a wolf, so we both agreed he should be excluded. Which was a shame, I like his style of play.

I almost whacked my head on my desk about mixing up the times. :o Ah well, it happens.

That's about all that went wrong with the game, actually. I loved modding it - it was a great experience. Thanks for all the reps too guys. About four of those boxes come from this thread. :p

And about the tree-frogs... I'm not sure where the idea came from, but it had been lingering in my mind for a long time. Which kinda makes you worry about my mind, doesn't it?

[Saurreg]

Well Mr. Mod, I say you were first-class. My favourite was the post on Hookbill's death. Classic.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

TGWBS, when tp died, there was an envelope that someone picked up. I'm assuming Saurreg got it, as the other Sherriff, but what exactly was it? Just a random addition to the story?

My favorite death by far was Eomer's, what with Ulmo's hugs. I just about fell out of the chair laughing. He's too good looking to die! ;)

[Oddwen]

You were great, Guy, even with your little *ahem* problems. ;)

[Saurreg]

The last communique The Phantom made was addressed to yours truly. It contained a set of instructions of what I was supposed to do (never followed them) and also a comprehensive list of the players with TP's analyse on them (never really read them).

My own letters to the Phantom were far more curt!

EDIT: Here is proof of TP's formidable prowess of analyse. The werewolves were right to eliminate him early:

Dear Sheriff Saurreg,

Should I die tonight, these are my final thoughts.

You should try and figure out who the seer is and follow his/her lead without making it too obvious. To recognize the seer, simply remember that the seer would want to leave clues behind pointing out who the dreamed of and what their status was.

Also, consider behavior to pick out wolves.

Here is a breakdown of what happened on day one-

NAME ANGUIREL
WHO THEY ACCUSED No one.
WHO THEY DEFENDED No one.
WHO THEY VOTED FOR No one.
STATUS Who knows? We have no info.

NAME AZALIA
WHO THEY ACCUSED No one.
WHO THEY DEFENDED No one.
WHO THEY VOTED FOR No one.
STATUS Isn’t it funny that she showed up and made two posts but didn’t really say anything? She is definitely not the seer since she left no clue as to what her dream was. I am a bit suspicious of her.

NAME CELUIEN
WHO THEY ACCUSED Oddwen
WHO THEY DEFENDED Feanor, Eomer, the phantom
WHO THEY VOTED FOR Oddwen
STATUS Cel said this about Fea- “Fea doesn't seem as suspicious as I was starting to think earlier. Just, umm, noisy. Not particularly werewolfish.” And later said this- “At this point, the phantom, Fea and Eomer are at the bottom of my suspect list.” If Cel is the seer then Fea is innocent.

NAME DANCING SPAWN
WHO THEY ACCUSED Kath, Lalaith
WHO THEY DEFENDED Lalaith
WHO THEY VOTED FOR No one.
STATUS Spawn is not the seer because she did not leave a clue as to what her dream was. One person she both attacked and defended and she was wrong about the other person.

NAME EOMER
WHO THEY ACCUSED Anguirel, Nilp, Lalaith, Kath, Fea, LMP
WHO THEY DEFENDED Fea, Nilp
WHO THEY VOTED FOR Kath
STATUS If Eomer is the seer then Anguirel is a werewolf since he dropped his name early and reminded us to keep an eye on him in his next post. However, it doesn’t sound like smart seer behavior to point fingers at so many people since you put yourself at risk of being lynched. But then again, perhaps he was just trying to hide his “Ang is a wolf” dream amidst other accusations. And if Eomer is a wolf, then either Esgal or Oddwen is also a wolf. He popped in at the end to break a five-way tie. Even though his name was one of the names, a wolf would have voted for a sixth person and been willing to get lynched along with five innocents for the good of the team. The only way a wolf would break a five-way tie is if there was another wolf besides himself on the list. The others were Kath (who is innocent of course), Saurreg (we know you’re innocent), Oddwen, and Esgal. So, it stands to reason that if Eomer is a wolf then so is one of those two, probably Esgal since Oddwen was a wolf in the last game.

NAME ESGALLHUGWEN
WHO THEY ACCUSED No one.
WHO THEY DEFENDED No one.
WHO THEY VOTED FOR No one.
STATUS We have no information.

NAME EVISSE
WHO THEY ACCUSED Oddwen, lmp, Lalaith
WHO THEY DEFENDED No one.
WHO THEY VOTED FOR No one.
STATUS Evisse is not the seer since she didn’t separate the people she accused. A true seer would make sure there was a way of discovering who they actually dreamed about from who they just pointed fingers at.

NAME FEANOR
WHO THEY ACCUSED Spawn, Eomer, the phantom, lmp
WHO THEY DEFENDED No one.
WHO THEY VOTED FOR Eomer.
STATUS If Fea is the seer then Eomer is a wolf since she pointed at him the most and ultimately voted for him. When the voting was very much undecided she did not tack her vote onto someone who already had votes. Was this because she was the seer and had spotted Eomer, or because she is a wolf wanting to add another innocent to the list? If she is a wolf, then Esgal and Oddwen aren’t since they already had votes when she voted- she would’ve tacked on her vote to an innocent who already had one (like Kath) to try and save her wolf friend. She made an awful lot of noise and risked getting lynched though. That probably isn’t seer behavior.

NAME FIREFOOT
WHO THEY ACCUSED Azalia, Kath, Oddwen, Saurreg
WHO THEY DEFENDED Fea, Cel, Spawn, Evisse, Hookbill, Nilp, Lalaith
WHO THEY VOTED FOR Saurreg
STATUS Firefoot could be the seer. Declaring as many people as she did to be not suspicious might be something she’s doing to preserve her life. And she said this of Fea “Phantom has called Fea's statements absurd (and I rather agree with that), but wouldn't they also be absurd things for a werewolf to say? What kind of idiot werewolf would say something so very incriminating? Especially this early when we have naught but virtually blind accusations to go by?” and she later said this- “And anyway, I don't really think Fea is a werewolf.” If Firefoot is the seer then Fea is innocent. If Firefoot is a wolf then Oddwen, Esgal, and Eomer probably aren't, since she didn't try to save them with her vote.

NAME HOOKBILL
WHO THEY ACCUSED No one.
WHO THEY DEFENDED No one.
WHO THEY VOTED FOR No one.
STATUS HB posted three times but didn’t really say anything. That makes me a bit suspicious, and certain that HB is not the seer.

NAME LALAITH
WHO THEY ACCUSED No one.
WHO THEY DEFENDED No one.
WHO THEY VOTED FOR Kath
STATUS I find it odd that Lal didn’t really point fingers but went ahead and voted. She’s not the seer, that’s for sure.

NAME LITTLEMANPOET
WHO THEY ACCUSED Eomer
WHO THEY DEFENDED Lalaith
WHO THEY VOTED FOR No one.
STATUS I suppose lmp could be the seer, and if he is then Eomer is a werewolf, since Eomer is the only one that he really truly latched onto.

NAME NILP
WHO THEY ACCUSED No one.
WHO THEY DEFENDED No one.
WHO THEY VOTED FOR No one.
STATUS He posted twice but did not point fingers or defend. Who knows if he’s a wolf (he’s not the seer).

NAME ODDWEN
WHO THEY ACCUSED No one.
WHO THEY DEFENDED No one.
WHO THEY VOTED FOR No one.
STATUS Oddwen only made one post and didn’t say much. She’s not the seer. She could be a wolf, but she was in the last game so I wouldn’t bet on it.

So, Celuien could be the seer declaring Fea innocent, Firefoot could be the seer declaring Fea innocent, Eomer could be the seer declaring Ang guilty, or lmp could be the seer declaring Eomer guilty.

There’s a very slight chance that Fea is the seer declaring Eomer guilty, or that Anguirel or Esgallhugwen is the seer and just couldn’t show up yesterday.

I am sure that the werewolves are narrowing their sights on the seer. Let’s hope that the seer isn’t killed before he/she spots someone.

I wish you the best of luck.

-the phantom

[the guy who be short]

TGWBS, when tp died, there was an envelope that someone picked up. I'm assuming Saurreg got it, as the other Sherriff, but what exactly was it? Just a random addition to the story?Nope, it was a letter than tp wrote before his death. The Shirriffs send me (updated) letters whenever they want. If one of them dies, the latest letter goes to the other Shirriff.

Edit: Cross post.

I'm glad to see so many people enjoyed my deaths. :D My favourite was also Eomer's. The Elmo/Ulmo pun was too good to resist... though I was quite loathe to let such a handsome man die. :p

[Firefoot]

Originally posted by Eomer:
And Nilpaurion....*sniff*.....good luck with your quest, my friend!Originally posted by Nilpaurion:
Second, cousin Eomer ( ;) ), I shall avenge your death, or else my sister will kill me. But wait, she can't do that--see my sig. Another thing unresolved: what on earth were Nilp and Eomer talking about?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The Elmo/Ulmo pun was too good to resist... You bet it is. You would enjoy the chat room... Ulmo is a mod... I've nearly been kicked out a few times for my "accidental" misspellings of his name. Now where is that evil smiley?

[littlemanpoet]

Well, yeah. I was a bit ticked about Esgal. Talk about rotten luck! I may be at fault in the way Hookbill played. Before the game started, I figured I wasn't going to be a werewolf but considered what my strategy would be if I ever was: to convince myself for DAY segments that I was NOT a werewolf, and post thusly. I challenged Esgal and Hookbill to try it out, and my guess is that they did their best. Problem was, it was a strategy that was right for me but probably not for them. I'd say it worked for me fairly well early. The closer to the end of the game, the harder it was to pull off. Frankly, when Esgal went down and Hookbill had already been virtually promised a lynching on the following day, that's when I started feeling desperate. From there on my game plan was to not show it.

I am RELIEVED it's over. If I am ever a werewolf again, it will be too soon. I didn't actually want to be one the first time, and tgwbs will confirm that my response was "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!"

I did make some rookie mistakes early. Such as beating on Eomer on Day One. Such as picking Azaelia for no good reason other than whim. And I made a strategic mistake (can't say rookie anymore) on the final day, which was to pounce on Lalaith. Same thing I did with Eomer. If I had voted for Evisse, there still would have been enough votes available to double-lynch me as well, though, though Firefoot would have probably joined us against Evisse, so it would have been 4 to 3; but I would probably have gone down the following day anyway.

I considered the odds of taking out a known innocent versus risking the hunter in order to try to get the cursed villager. The way I saw it, getting the cursed villager was on a relatively consistent risk ratio of 8:1. The Hunter would have had to choose me on the night that I chose the hunter, so the risk ratio was a lot higher, but shrinking the further into the game we went.

Notice, folks, that the phantom's plan was inadvertently used, and worked. Innocents were lynched early and the Seer remained unlynched long enough to do the damage needed for the village to win. If, however, Esgal had stayed in the game longer, Ang had revealed himself too boldly, too soon.

Most of the strategic things I posted were things I truly believed to be the case, which was all part of trying to not only appear, but think, innocent.

More on strategy when I get to my home computer where I can quote at length from PMs.

Oh, one final thing. Nobody noticed how Hookbill and I made seriously bad werewolf mistakes in the first day, posting during NIGHT hours. But nobody picked up on it, much to my relief.

[littlemanpoet]

Oh! And TGWBS, you never used my double butcher knife and pun at the end! Probably my fault too, because I failed to remind him of it. I had wanted to have him put in my mouth the following: "I do not go to my lynching willingly. As you see, I have brought my two best butcher knives! I shall go down in a haze of gory! Yaaaaa!"

Oh well.

If there's a butcher next game, feel free to use it.

[mormegil]

As a consolation for being edited out of the game TGWBS was gracious enough to give me the inside scoop. It was fascinating to watch. There were so many times around mid-game that I just wanted to scream and yell and say PLEASE LISTEN TO FEANOR!!! That, of course, is when she was going strong against LMP. And I nearly freaked out when people were starting to suspect Anguriel. It's very fun to sit like a fly on the wall, watching and knowing all. Good game all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You played very well, LMP. At many times, you had me doubting myself. The only reason I didn't drop you is because I'd gotten the idea early and wanted to see it through. Only it never saw through! I figured I'd mention it, it'd get shot down, and I'd move on, highlighting players only long enough to be certain of their innocence (which, of course, accounts for "Fickle Fea"). Only it didn't work with you, because you never died, and you were so careful to stay calm and collected in the face of me shouting of your guilt which was apparent to no-one (to be honest, I was never positive... I was just stubborn). I couldn't for the life of me understand why nobody could see what I saw. Which is why it was so doggone convenient that I always had my back up plan of "if all else fails, I'm going to accidentally "reveal" that I'm a wolf, have them lynch me, and take him out with me, just to make sure." Which, of course, was why I was willing to vote ++FEANOR OF THE PEREDHIL if Evisse was innocent.

[Lalaith]

This was the first game I played and I learnt one very useful lesson. Never, ever be the very first person in the game to cast a vote. That earned me a whole bunch of suspicion that I never shook off.
Of course, a lot of people didn't want to vote on the first day for that very reason. I went out for the day after voting for Kath, and I just couldn't believe it when I got back and saw she'd been killed with just two votes out of a total of six.

[the guy who be short]

Sorry, LMP! I forgot about that. :o

Though your death kicked donkey anyway. Well, I think so anyway. :p

Another think that made me giggle was when somebody, I can't remember who, said that they were pretty sure that Eswen and LMP were innocent fairly early on.

I'd have to say the fall of Eswen was extremely unfortunate for the wolves' side. And the numbers and Shirriffs probably helped as the villies win too.

[Lalaith]

Though your death kicked donkey anyway. Well, I think so anyway
ALL your deaths kicked donkey, tgwbs. :)

[the phantom]

As usual I will be writing up a post game summary and posting it on my web page. I will include excerpts from my letters to Saurreg as well as my thoughts on the days after I was dead.

It will probably be up sometime tonight (ten hours from now or so).

And I loved my death, tgwbs! :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Can't wait to see it, phantom. You know how I squirm to see such things in a timely and amusing fashion. ;)

[Orominuialwen]

I just wanted to congratulate you all on a game well played! I've been following it very closely, spending my lunch hours and a lot of my free time reading this thread. I'm so impressed that I think I may have to join the next game just to see what it's like for myself. Oh, and tgwbs, I loved all your deaths, especially the tree frog ones. :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Fascinating stuff. Many thanks to everyone involved for making it so enjoyable, and hearty congratulations to the victorious villagers. :)

littlemanpoet eh? In all honesty I was just being defensive on DAY 1. I didn't really suspect him. Likewise with Hookbill; it was more to do with unfair bullying than real suspicion. Curse those werewolves. They really picked on me.

I should probably clarify this line:

"And Nilp *sniff* good luck with your quest, my friend!"

This was purely and simply a different way of saying "Nilp, you are being absolutely bloody hilarious and I want you to stay alive as long as possible so I can keep laughing."


And as for the phantom and Saurreg.......oops! :D That is a truly awesome signature you have there Saurreg. I guess that whole attack was the reason the Wolves really got started on the lynch-Eomer task. But I'd do it all again!

Especial praise goes to the guy who be short, who did a tremendous job moderating.

Well done everyone. A toast! to Werewolf 4. :D

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Well, Eomer, you were just to smart to be left to you're own devises and to roam about like some kind of... Sherlock Holms... or something. :P

Especial praise goes to the guy who be short, who did a tremendous job moderating.

Here here! *rises a glass*

[littlemanpoet]

Here for your enthusiastic entertainment consumption is the log of the werewolves' exhaustive :rolleyes: correspondence on Night # One.

Any ideas so far? I have a couple ideas, thoughts, rambling notions, etc.. Not saying I think they all merit using......

1. In some folklore, werewolves don't know they're werewolves except when they are. As Saucepan Man pointed out recently, the werewolves' best strategy is to not appear to be working together against the innocents during the day. I've thought of a way to do that, but I'm not sure we can pull it off. It's to virtually convince ourselves, during Day phase, that we are Innocents. This means to believe it and act like it, talk like it, get offended like it, and so forth. What do you think?

2. Reverse psychology. Say "I'm a werewolf! Just kidding." This is extremely risky, as some innocents might see through it.

3. Reverse reverse psychology. Be among the first to accuse. This also is risky.

4. I personally am likely to be a loudmouth. What about you guys?

5. Put forward Fordim's strategy, thus appearing innocent. But only one werewolf can use this, and it also is risky, unless perhaps the three werewolves are the ones who first present and support it, and so forth. Not really convinced this is at all a good idea. If you don't know what I'm talking about, take a look at Game III and look at Fordim's first couple posts.

Okay, I'll shut up now and wait to hear from you guys.

LMP drums fingers on table, waiting for eleven hours before first response....

I will mostly go for number one, that is highly sensible, and seems to be the lesser risk. Also it adds a certain pychosis that I think the Werewolves should have.

Instead of randomly picking a kill, I think we should try to find the Seer first and formost, they seem to be the biggest threat. This is highly difficult so lets keep our eyes peeled and discuss our suspicions, but not only about the Seer, the Ranger and Gaurdian as well.

If we notice that two others seem to be working together (who aren't any of us) I think we should either or both:

a) leave them alone (during the night), so that the other Villagers may think that their both Werewolves, doing so will have them killed instead of us which gives us a lead in killing the Villagers during the night.

b) play LMP's number one and add suspicion towards them that will aid in them getting lynched.

I'm not much of a loud mouth but I'll readily save my own skin, I'm playing the innocent and I don't see the problem with all of us playing this part as long as we don't over do it and don't seem too buddy buddy with each other, I'm not saying post blame upon another, but gently and inconspicuously guide the villagers in the other direction.

What think you?

Greetings all,

I like you're ideas, Esgal. I'm going to see what way the discussions go before I formulate a solid strategy. The seer will be difficult to find until after the third night, methinks. The one who seems the most convincing in the dreams or seeing will not be apparent until then.


What do you guys think about the avenging of deaths?

So yes, phantom, two of the werewolves were actually PMing during Daytime that first day, which was quickly brought to a halt by our wise and gifted moderator.

But two ideas, one from Esgal, and one from Hookbill, were not followed upon; number one, to let the Shirriffs look like guilty werewolves, and to at least talk about kills for revenge. Not following up Esgal's idea is particularly my fault, as will be seen in viewing Night Two pms.

More on subsequent nights to follow.....

[Anguirel]

Congratulations, everyone. May Feanor, Saurreg, Firefoot and Celuien enjoy feasting and toasting, ahem, the victorious dead...

It was a great and epic kill, Feanor. Well written, tgwbs.

[Celuien]

Great game, everyone! How about some applause for TGWBS?

LMP - I never would have suspected you. :eek:

My apologies for being a bit erratic for the past couple of days, especially on this last one. I had an 11 hour shift yesterday and was in the midst of writing a presentation (which I just gave about an hour ago) on very short notice, so I was a little out of sorts.

I notice that I was suspected of being the seer a couple of times. That was halfway my intention with some of the wording I placed around the villagers about whom I had the most certainty, since I was trying to keep the wolves from identifying the real seer before enough nights had passed to gain information. At the same time, I didn't want to actually impersonate the seer and end up confusing the village, causing a rush to execute one of my suspects, or becoming werewolf bait.

Victory for the villagers is sweet at last. :smokin:

[Kath]

*applause for TGWBS*
Fantastic deaths - both werewolf and lynching.

To everyone else thanks for an incredibly amusing game. I followed it even after my sudden and (at least to me!) surprising death and Fea I have to say I'm surprised you weren't lynched simply for insulting everyone in the game!

But congratulations - the villagers won!

[littlemanpoet]

I almost put in a special request to TGWBS for Anguirel's death. Turns out I didn't have to. TGWBS did exactly :eek: what I had imagined wanting <ahem> to do; except for the "off with his head" part. Actually, the other thing I had imagined was hanging, drawing, and quartering, but that would have pointed right to the butcher, which was not such a good idea, eh? :p So the blood spattered walls and body parts all over the place was everything I could have hoped for. :D

[littlemanpoet]

NIGHT # 2

The phantom voted for Esgallhugwen. I am suspicious of him being the seer. But I do not think he should die just yet. Lets see him out, if he starts voting continuously for us, then we should say bye-bye to him.

As for who dies now, I'm not sure. Any thoughts?

the phantom made a random choice between Eswen and Anguirel because of lack of posting, which our mod cleared up, so the best strategy would be for Es to forgive him, or at least seem to, on erroneous information.

Hookbill, the way I see it, you almost got voted for yourself. I think it was Evisse who randomly picked a not completely quiet one, and thus it was Kath, but your name was the next one on her list as I recall. That said, I think you're doing an outstanding job of staying under the radar.

the phantom is drawing a lot of attention to himself. I wouldn't want to off him on merely "annoying" grounds, much as it might be fun to. If he's the Seer, isn't the Seer much more valuable toward the end of the game than at the beginning? There would be fewer players to choose to have a vision about, and the chance of dreaming about a werewolf increases as the game continues.... right?

Feanor and Eomer are also loudmouths, and I don't want to kill either of them off yet. Heck, Fea voted for Eomer. Let her continue to be suspicious of him.

As long as they don't know who we are and we stay alive, the advantage is ours. The thing to do is to "off" a strategic choice. Give me some time to think about this. I'm thinking that we want to off one of the less talkative ones, someone who has barely posted and not even drawn suspicion. By the way, Nilpaurion should be let be too, being a suspicious character.

So I'm thinking about the following (off the top of my head): Evisse, Celuien, Oddwen (although she did receive a vote), ... who else? I can't open up a second window on this stupid computer (at work). I'll get back to you....

Hookbill, I guess it's up to you and me tonight.

Okay, the candidates for "offing", as far as I'm concerned, are:

Azaelia of Willowbottom
Celuien
dancing spawn of ungoliant
Firefoot
Lalaith
Oddwen
Saurreg

I'd like to keep Celuien, Oddwen, Saurreg, and dancing spawn around a little while longer, out of sheer interest to see how they play the game. That leaves:

Azaelia of Willowbottom
Firefoot
Lalaith

Firefoot got offed pretty early last time, so I'd like to giver her a chance to play some more. I'm interested in Lalaith more or less too, so my vote goes for ++Azaelia of Willowbottom. Not very scientific, except that it generally avoids suspicion. Who knows? Maybe she's the cursed or the hunter or the seer. What do you think?

It's not too late for me to have my say is it? I got off of work early. We were lucky that they killed off the Ranger, that ups our odds of not getting killed ourselves.

I was merely joking about offing the phantom, I know better than that, he was the only one that voted for me to off him would drive uneeded suspicion at break neck speed towards me. And we don't need that.

I was thinking about Azaelia as well. She hasn't said much, and we should keep the loudmouths around to argue with eachother, who knows they may sack a couple more of there own before they get to us.

Phantom might very well be the Seer, and if he knows, he might keep on pushing it with me ( but I really hope he's just an arrogant loudmouth who took a wild guess, why would he have chosen me to dream about?), the more he pushes with his accusations towards me the harder it will be to kill him, because doing so will be a powder keg of suspicion.

But let's leave him be, he's an eccentric chronic liar who's so egotistical that he's openly admitted that he's trying to trick us, and we do not yet know the truth between the lines.

My vote is for poor little ++Azaelia of Willowbottom as well. And I will try harder to post for the next day.


Well, that's two for Azaelia. Hookbill?

Let's see what the phantom does with the next day. His vote for you, Eswen, appears to have been a 50/50 raondom shot at those who didn't post, and he was uninformed. My bet is he casts his glance elsewhere - - - unless he's the Seer.

If things go ill for us (one of us gets lynched), there are two strategies worth considering:

1) one of us accuse the other, thus "taking one for the team" while rendering the other with great credentials for innocence.

2) talk up the need to let the Seer live as long as possible because the longer the Seer is in the game, the better the Seer's chance to "off" the werewolves. This has the drawback of being true; it has the benefit of making whoever uses this piece of strategy look quite innocent.

Thoughts?

This message is going to Eswen and Hookbill as well as our mod:

TGWBS, unless you hear differently by 11:30 p.m., our kill for tonight is ++ Azaelia of Willowbottom.

I haven't gotten a rubber stamp from Hookbill on this, but Eswen has agreed with me on it, so at worst it's a 2 out of 3.

Sorry I couldn't wait, Hookie, but bedtime arrives early for me; I'm up at 5 in the a.m.

Hello,

Sorry I couldn't join the discussion. The time difference is annoying, plus I had to sleep early last night. We had a few power cuts yesterday also, which was annoying. I'm agreeing with you both on Azaelia.

[Firefoot]

It seems I escaped a mauling pretty narrowly there. I'm glad you decided to let me stick around. :D

[the phantom]

I'm done with my post game write up. As usual, it is on my Random Thoughts (http://www.freewebs.com/phantombarrowdowns/randomthoughts.htm) page.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

We win! We win! Take that, hairy beasts of the night!


Nilp- Absolutely fascinating! "I'm a wolf, lynch me." :D (Fea)
Thank you. Sorry about almost voting for you. Until an hour ago I was pretty sure you were the last werewolf, and doing an excellent job of avoiding suspicion. Boy, was I wrong. :rolleyes:

Way cool archery, I might add.


lmp, an excellent game you played! And:
By the way, Nilpaurion should be let be too, being a suspicious character. (lmp)
Why, thank you! You got me spot on when you said:

Nilp . . . is simply playing his "suspicious character" role to the hilt. (lmp)
I think I'll use this as a sig for the next game. :D

So, a heartfelt round of applause to everyone in this game, especially to our mod, the guy: vy ze vay, I loved my death. Excellent use of my alter-ego.

Remember your promise. I'm joining the next game.

Right, Adam.

[Lalaith]

Btw, were-boys, put me out of my misery. Why *did* neither of you step in to save Esgal from lynching on the first day? Did you really miss the vote as you both said or was it strategy?

[littlemanpoet]

I really missed the vote. That post was literally 100% the truth. I was extremely, extremely frustrated about the time zone situation. There way no way I was going to quick vote in the 6 minutes I had before work, and the morning ran long, and by the time I got to lunch, it was too late. :(

I have no idea who I would have voted for. Probably Kath, if I had been there early enough to vote (right under the wire).

[Lalaith]

Thanks for that. I'd been worrying at that particular problem like a dog with a bone.

[Lhunardawen]

At long last! The villagers have won! Congratulations!

Your play was excellent, lmp. After hearing the finale spoiler from my brother, I read this: Lalaith, your latest pleas have convinced me of your innocence. I'm sorry I voted for you. Maybe it would be best to lynch three of us after all, so that we do have known innocents outnumbering the remaining werewolf. So if lynching me helps the village, go for it. and I just tumbled over in laughter. You would make a good drama king. ;)

And a very great job moderating, tgwbs. That was some way to get rid of my annoyingly suspicious brother. :D

Awesome game, everyone!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Thank you. Sorry about almost voting for you. Until an hour ago I was pretty sure you were the last werewolf, and doing an excellent job of avoiding suspicion. Boy, was I wrong.
No worries... Until not long ago, I think a lot of people were convinced I was the last werewolf. Heck, occasionally I convinced myself that I was. ;) Gotta think like a wolf to catch one, and all that. About that avoiding suspicion... I really have no clue how I managed that one, since I pointed out everyone (unless they died too early for it).

Fea I have to say I'm surprised you weren't lynched simply for insulting everyone in the game!
I didn't get everyone, did I? Well... maybe... LMP is too polite, it makes me want to kill him in his sleep; the phantom is condescending and infuriating; Evisse is either a wolf or blind; Yeah... maybe I did. Sorry about that. ;) :p

[littlemanpoet]

Feanor, there's no way I would have killed you. You drew suspicion away from me. The only time you caused me concern was when your bouncing bow pointed briefly at me, at which point all I had to do was say what you wanted, and you bounced away again. I think that over all you caused confusion to the other villagers, which helped me. I think that a hunter makes a mistake by being a loudmouth and/or drawing attention to self, because that attention is bound to be suspicion, which means the werewolves will let the hunter live, thus eluding (if not eliminating) the risk of being killed during the kill.

Let's say I had voted for Evisse instead of Lalaith (thinking out loud). The votes would have been Feanor, Celuein, LMP, and probably Firefoot (who thought I was innocent), enough to lynch her. So Evisse is lynched, and everybody learns that she is an ungifted villager.

My choices for kill, having barely escaped lynching myself, most likely, are either a known innocent because it's wise to get rid of someone against whom there is no suspicion, as well as safe to get rid of someone you're sure is not the hunter. That means Saurreg, or maybe Celuien. On the other hand, there was still the (desperate) hope of getting the cursed villager. So we scratch Feanor because she's too suspicious, and we scratch Firefoot because she's unlikely to vote for my lynching. That leaves Lalaith, about whom some people are still suspicious, especially if I don't screw up and blow my wad at her. So I would have to take out Saurreg as the safest and wisest choice.

That leaves: Feanor, Celuein, Firefoot, Lalaith, and LMP. Care to hypothesize what would have happened then?

[Firefoot]

Well, I don't think my vote would have been cast for Evisse, as she had me quite convinced toward the end of the day that she was innocent. (I don't know that I ever thought she was guilty, except I didn't think anyone else seemed guilty either. :rolleyes: ;) ) I don't know if that would have changed the result or not.

Anyway, in this potential situation, I would hazard a guess that Lalaith would be the next to go. I would not have voted for Celuien (proven innocent), Feanor (I was figuring she was gifted by then), or LMP (who I figured was innocent). So let's say Lalaith dies. That night, LMP kills someone else - a choice of Fea, myself, or Celuien. I will guess that Celuien, as a proven innocent, probably goes. I would vote for LMP over Fea, and I don't see any reason why Fea wouldn't vote for LMP.

So there's my hypothesis; it would end in a villager victory anyway though it would seem that only Fea and myself are left to populate the village - not much of a village, anymore.

[Lalaith]

After I woke up and saw that I'd got two votes, my first instinct, as a werewolf newbie, was obviously to argue/vote to save myself. But then I started pondering exactly the above scenarios and their possible outcome, and then I realised that the most important thing was that the werewolf only made one more kill at the very most.
I'd assumed that as Saurreg took me as an innocent everyone else would too, but I realised that if I wasn't trusted, I was completely expendable. The more unknown quantities we lynched that day the better.
Btw lmp, I also guessed you were the werewolf because you were the only one who replied to my little remark about 'could the werewolf not have left the Seer alive as a tactic.'
I put that remark in on purpose, because I figured the poor wolf would be lonely not having anyone to PM with, and wouldn't be able to resist the temptation to talk about tactics...

[mormegil]

Well TGWBS and I spoke on this situation near the end and how you could possibly win. It was difficult because Feanor was choosing you to kill if she were to die. So if she had changed her mind then you could of had a chance, if she didn't your best outcome was a draw. I felt you were on the right track LMP by attempting to cast suspicion on Lailath while others were working Evisse over for you. If only one had been lynched that day, you could have killed Saurreg like you said get the other (Evisse or Lalaith) lynched the next day and kill of Celuein at night. But then there's the uphill battle of casting suspicion on Firefoot during the day, or casting some suspicion on Firefoot and enought on Feanor so that you lynch Feanor and she decides to kill Firefoot when she dies.

All in all it was a long shot at best and with so many known innocents I thought it near impossible for you to win at that stage but we still had hoped that maybe you would pull it off. Actually TGWBS wanted a draw so at the end he could put.

Moderator Wins!

[Saurreg]

Feanor, So I would have to take out Saurreg as the safest and wisest choice.

Then I'm very glad that I voted for you and that Lalaith supported me. Had I taken heed of Feanor's words, victory would not have been this sweet. :D

[Lalaith]

I was very glad when I saw you'd decided to vote later, Saurreg. Very wise decision.

[Saurreg]

Thank you my dear. Very gracious of you.

Now what if I didn't vote? I think the following is most likely;

1. LMP would have me killed in the night as he had stated.

2. Feanor would be the main suspect the next day due to a quasi-vow, most probably would be lynched.

3. She takes along LMP during the execution.

So it would still be a villagers' victory except neither I nor Feanor would still be alive.

[littlemanpoet]

I was already convinced that the game was out of my reach the Day before I took out Anguirel: too many known innocents.

I think you guys'll get a kick out of our Third and Fourth Night PMs. I'll post them up when I get home.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

These signatures are just brilliant. What a lovely close-knit community we made!

[Anguirel]

Have a care, LMP; now I know it was you wot did me in, you're for it next time I'm a wolf or Hunter!

Oops, that was revealing.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Now what if I didn't vote? I think the following is most likely;

1. LMP would have me killed in the night as he had stated.

2. Feanor would be the main suspect the next day due to a quasi-vow, most probably would be lynched.

3. She takes along LMP during the execution.
Exactly. Which is why I kept italicizing "don't worry about LMP". I needed to know that Evisse was innocent or guilty, and I knew that since I had a definate way of killing LMP if I was wrong, that we needed to concentrate on the more difficult matter.

The tough part about the game is PMing the mod with your latest choice and wondering if he's laughing at you because you are so stuck on your wrong answer.

[littlemanpoet]

With Eomer out of the way, we can group up and strike out with a plan I have formulated.

I think a good many of the villagers are suspecting phantom, if he does not die tonight, they will do our dirty work for us. I suggest we kill someone different, Firefoot or Saurreg are my favourites for killings tonight. What do you think?
Do either one of you see that Eomer was basically the phantom's arch nemisis?? Now that he's "out of the way", the phantom will be inclined to turn his sights else where. That's why I didn't vote for him, (lotta good it did him, poor rapscallion). I also didn't vote for the phantom because I said I wouldn't, believe me I'm a very vengeful person but I chose not to because voting for him just because he voted for me would be silly and absurd.

We should keep the phantom alive for just one more night, and we should pick someone who voted for Eomer, to try and throw them off again. that may make them think why did they kill that person and not the phantom again, those wolves must really be hosers (sorry, Canadian slang).

That leaves us (excluding you two that voted for him), Saurreg, phantom, and dancing spawn of Ungoliant. I think we shouldn't kill the phantom tonight (to prove Eomer wrong), so perhaps Saurreg, I was actually going to vote for him, but I wanted to try and boost up someones elses votes so that Eomer may have been saved.

Or perhaps we should kill the phantom, and make them wonder he was so against Eomer and wolves killed him why? or leave him alive to possible get lynched the next day.

I'm sorry my thoughts are all muddled and there are a variety of wheels spinning in my head with various ideas.

What do you guys have to say, I have to go now, work and all that?

Hum...

I'm still confident that the villagers will probably lynch him tomorrow. Do you not think we can take that chance? I don't think we should kill the phantom, not tonight anyway... yes he's getting dangerous, but if the villagers suspect him, they probably won't trust his thoughts... But if both of you are confident to get rid of him, I’ll say he goes, if you don't think we can take the chance.
I won't be able to say anything else as I have to sleep now, but, unless you come to another decision, take it as read that I said phantom dies.

I appreciate your thoughts, but hear me out. The phantom continued to communicate suspicion of Esgal AFTER tgwbs's explanation of why she didn't post the first day. Why would he do that? Is it because he dreamed about her? The phantom is our biggest threat. Being innocent, why did he come up with a strategy to protect the gifted, and exclude himself from being a volunteer? Would it not be because he himself is gifted, and knew that he needed to stay alive? Is he not one of only two innocents so far who have voiced suspicion of one of us? So yes, Feanor is also a possibility for Seer, but she doesn't act like it. Meanwhile, the phantom has been both subtle and a leader.

If he had voted for Esgal this past day, I would have said to you that we have to get rid of him anyway even though that would draw everybody's suspicion to Esgal, and she would get lynched and revealed as a werewolf. I would ask Esgal to sacrifice herself so that all three of us could be winners because if the phantom is the Seer, he is doubly dangerous to us.

I am very relieved that the phantom did not vote for Esgal again, and I do wonder why. The only answer I can think of is that to vote for Esgal twice in a row while nobody else showed such suspicion, would make it obvious that he's the Seer, and he doesn't want to be that obvious. As far as I can tell, the signs point most strongly to the phantom being the Seer, not least because he did show some surprise that he did not get killed last night. I can imagine the phantom trying to throw the werewolves off the scent by being so vehement against Eomer.

I have no problem with Eomer being right about the phantom. If we get rid of the phantom tonight, and he is revealed as the Seer, I for one will not be suspected, nor will Hookbill. There will be some eyes looking in Esgal's direction on the strength of tp's previously voiced suspicion, but that could be argued away creatively, especially because the phantom has named a variety of possible suspects, Esgal being just one of them.

If the phantom is NOT the Seer, then the Seer is doing an excellent job of hiding - which increases the danger for us of course, but that's a chance I believe we need to take. Mind you, I have not read tgwbs's lynch post yet, and will pm again if I have to correct anything I've said here.

Very well.

It was kind of a predictable move, I was more thinking along the lines of we could get rid of more people this way. But I have to agree; it is a little too risky to leave him roaming around. Let us get him out of the picture. I think we were lucky with the two for one deal today. We cannot count on that, nor can we take too many risks. Let phantom die then.

It seems clear that yes the phantom should go, he is getting more and more dangerous and he has a subtle cleverness that I can pick up on easily, however well he may try to hide it.

I have a few more thoughts, phantom could potentially be the Seer, phantom and Fea for all their disagreements could be the shirriffs. I would say more but I have to go. So I agree to kill the Phantom tonight.

So the phantom definitely achieved part of his objective. And if anybody takes a look, I told everybody within the game what the werewolves' strategy "probably" was: "silence the ones who are on the right track".

[littlemanpoet]

Well doesn't that just suck? Poor Esgal. I take it we may not include her in anymore communications, so for now it's just you and me, buddy. For my part, I'm glad I posted mild suspicions about Esgal and Lal, because that may throw people off your scent and onto Lal's ... maybe. Otherwise, you, my friend, are in danger. What do you intend to do about it? As far as I can tell, you're next in line for lynching, and possibly next in line tonight for being dreamed about, which, if we don't 'get the seer, increases the likelihood of your lynching.

I'm sorry I was wrong about the phantom, but I'm glad he's gone anyway, because he was too much on the right track. I'm sort of sorry he turned out to be a shirrif, because now everybody (with any logical ability) can see that Saurreg has to be innocent. That's one less person to suspect besides ourselves. Not good, so he may need to be on our hit list.

That said, I think I have a good idea who the seer is. I did a "find" on the word "seer" just to see if that showed anything. It took a while to check all (then) six pages and set aside many posts before I found these little gems:

from post # 12: It's true that the wolves don't probably care, who is going to get lynced on the first day as long as s/he isn't one of them and therefore we can't point them out by their behaviour. However, the Seer might have something interesting to say. I'd also like to see other residents participating the negotiations before we decide anything drastic.

from post # 56: I have my own theories, too, but I won't say more yet nor give any reasons because that would lead me to "an incredibly boring death". A part of me agrees with phantom's plan but it'll be useless if we lose our seer within next couple of days or nights. Well, the Seer has 18.75% chance to pick a culprit in case s/he didn't dream of a wolf last night - otherwise the odds are a tad better... But the problem is that we wouldn't probably believe him/her anyway and we'd lynch him/her as a wolf. ... There are just too many "what ifs". Sigh. I'm off to bed now. Please, more reasoning and less fighting. And let's wait for those who have remained silent.

This is looking more and more like the type of thing the Seer would say.

from post # 90: I don't have really much time right now so I'm not going to beat about the bush. Here's some of my thoughts. I think phantom made his plan for the good of the villagers. However, it's too delicious a situation for the wolves not to take advantage of it because that's what wolves want to do on days: lynch an innocent.

post # 117 says little in terms of the Seer.

from post # 168: Wether Azaelia's death is a frame up for turning us against phantom (as many of you have mentioned) or then somebody's double bluffing... who? -I haven't figured that out yet but somehow I don't find phantom very suspicious. How much you wanna bet she dreamed of him?

from the same post: Of course, if you lynch me then we can as well follow phantom's plan.

The meaning of this is hard to make out, but is she not suggesting that she is the Seer?

post # 200: I'm suspicious of almost everyone which is rather frustrating.

Now, she may not be the Seer, but I feel there's enough evidence to merit her death tonight. What do you think?

Some good investigation there little poet. I agree. Plus I think she voted for me, didn't she? Even if not, I think you're right. If she's not the seer, then whoever is is keeping very quiet about the fact.

Plus, I don't think I'm going to survive the next vote, Firefoot is looking towards me and sharpening her knife by the looks of things. :|
Is it against the rules for you to vote for me? What I mean is, if it looks like I'm defiantly going down tomorrow they will find out I'm a w-w, so if you vote for me, no-one will suspect you. At least not for a long while. I doubt its against the rules, but at least put forward suspicion or something... but only if it defiantly looks like I'm going to have no neck by next night.

No, my friend, I have the right to vote for whomever I choose, and did consider voting for one of you two today, except I didn't want to be party to a tie, even if it turned out that two of three were werewolves.

I'm informing the guy who be short of our choice with this pm. There. Let him not be able to say that we held him until the last moment this time.

Reading back through all these quotes of spawn's, I sure was grasping at straws! :eek:

So now you know why we voted for dancing spawn. Next time I play, I'll use the phantom's method instead of hunting blindly like I did. You gotta admit, spawn's stuff could be interpreted that she could be the seer. Now, I'd like to hear from spawn what she really was talking about?

Oh, something I forgot to say regarding Night Three: Esgal had some good reasons to keep the phantom alive one more day: he might have gotten lynched anyway. Then we might have gone after Saurreg next, thus removing both shirriffs, who proved themselves to be quite useful to the village after all. But I had a "bee in my bonnett" about the phantom and persuaded my co-wolves (right or wrong) to my own way of thinking. I kinda wish they'd have put up more of a fight.

[Lalaith]

Thanks for posting that, lmp....it's very interesting to find out what was going on behind the scenes. I had no idea you'd killed dancing spawn as a seer suspect....

[littlemanpoet]

Since I have nobody to discuss this stuff with, I'm sending my thoughts to you, despite the fact that it is my decision and you will not, and should not, respond.

Anguirel is the seer. He has identified two people as innocent, which tells me that he has dreamed about a lot of now-dead villagers (cackle!). So I still have a remote chance. If I kill him tonight, his little list will become gospel, and my kill list becomes obvious: kill those the others are sure are innocent, so that they lose certainty. I have to leave Feanor alive or else bring suspicion upon myself. So it looks like Ang, Saur, Cel, in that order. More thoughts coming soon.

Because of Anguirel's list, assuming that he is the seer, there are three known innocents, one werewolf, and four uncertain innocents. If I kill Anguirel, then we have two known innocents, one werewolf, and four uncertain innocents, but every last one of them is absolutely convinced of the innocence of the two known innocents, since the seer's posts become gospel truth to fall back upon (thank the lycan gods that he seems to have been rather inept in his posting and kept dreaming the wrong people!)

Hookbill and I discussed me voting for him. I told him I would, but then thought that I might not because it would look suspicious, until Anguirel's ploy gave me that out.

The two "gifts" still out there are Cursed Villager and Hunter.

Once the Seer is out of the picture: whereas it's useful to get rid of known innocents (such as Saurreg .... and Celuien, considering the supposed Seer's validation of her), it would be better to get rid of Celuien first in case she's the cursed villager, because it's obvious that Saurreg isn't. Not to mention it would be a gas if Celuien found herself a werewolf, a more unlikely candidate I cannot imagine.

The Cursed Villager could be any one of the following: Celuien, Eomer, Evisse, Feanor, Firefoot, Lalaith (she seems cursed!), Nilpaurion, and Oddwen. Odds of killing the cursed villager at this point: 8:1

The Hunter could be any one of the following: Celuien, Evisse, Feanor, Firefoot, or Lalaith. The Hunter has to be after LMP in order to kill LMP when LMP attacks the Hunter. Question: Can the Hunter choose LMP and kill LMP because he's a werewolf even if LMP doesn't attempt to kill the Hunter but someone else? Odds, as it looks to me right now: 15:1 (5+4+3+2+1?) (both have to be looking for each other).

If I have that right, and if I don't go for Anguirel tonight, I have a twice as good chance of finding the new werewolf as being killed and game over.

But Anguirel has a 3:1 chance of dreaming about me tonight. Those are odds I can't take a chance against. He's gonna die tonight, but I'm not yet done figuring things out, so please answer my question and then I'll give you the official kill choice.

What I can't get over is that some of the villagers still don't have a clue that Anguirel is the seer! Which changes tonight.

I hope you find this entertaining.

I sent tgwbs one final PM giving him my kill choice, and asking some further question, I forget now what it was. Anyway. So there it is. That's as far as I got, Night Five. You guys are lucky Esgal died of frog-in-mouth disease. My concern is that I haven't heard from her since then at all..... :eek: :(

[the phantom]

Thank you so much for posting those pms, lmp.

I am delighted to see that the wolves talked about me quite a bit. That was my goal. I was willing to die, just not during the day. I wanted to make the wolves waste one of their free night kills on me.

After that, I knew that Saurreg would be above suspicion during the day, and that the wolves would have to kill him if they wanted him gone, which would mean having to waste the following night's kill on him when there is still a seer on the loose. I figured they would not be willing to do that, and thus leave a proven innocent hanging about, which is definitely a hinderance to them.
I think a good many of the villagers are suspecting phantom, if he does not die tonight, they will do our dirty work for us.
This is why I jumped on Eomer on day two. I figured it was a wolvish strategy to leave me alive in order to lynch me the next day, and Eomer came after me. Fortunately I was persuasive enough to stave it off and died a more useful death the following night.
The phantom is our biggest threat.
Mwu ha ha!! :p
Being innocent, why did he come up with a strategy to protect the gifted, and exclude himself from being a volunteer? Would it not be because he himself is gifted, and knew that he needed to stay alive?
You were correct, lmp. I was gifted. I just wasn't the gifted villager you were hoping for. ;)
Reading back through all these quotes of spawn's, I sure was grasping at straws! :eek:
Well, it was your first game, so that is to be expected. And it seems to me that you have already learned quite a bit that will help you in the future.
Next time I play, I'll use the phantom's method instead of hunting blindly like I did.
Heh- I'm honored. I probably shouldn't have said all that stuff on my site about how I found the seer because now everyone else will know just as quick as I do.

But, I am going to be in Colorado, Texas, Illinois, and Ohio for most of the next couple months, so I won't be playing in a werewolf game any time soon.

Sad, isn't it? The next game will be the first phantomless chapter of werewolf.

Thanks again for posting all that. I love seeing discussions about strategy and learning why certain decisions are made.

[Saurreg]

You guys are lucky Esgal died of frog-in-mouth disease. My concern is that I haven't heard from her since then at all..... :eek: :(

Heed the words of the master, LMP

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Helmuth%20Von%20Moltke.jpg

"No well-wrought plan survives five minutes in contact with the enemy."

[Lhunardawen]

Now, now, lmp. You're giving away the next werewolves' possible gameplans. :D

Sad, isn't it? The next game will be the first phantomless chapter of werewolf. Incidentally (or is it deliberate?), it would also be a Fea-less chapter.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Incidentally (or is it deliberate?), it would also be a Fea-less chapter.
Deliberate on my part, but it has nothing to do with the phantom. You see, my parents were interested during WWI and actually enjoyed hearing about the game-play. By now... they're dead sick of me being online, and so when they see "The Barrowdowns", they yell at me for wasting my time, tell me I should be doing something more productive, and make me go socialize with people I don't like. :rolleyes: So I'm taking a break in order to keep them in a good mood for when I mod, because that will involve even more time clogging up the phone line. :D

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Reading back through all these quotes of spawn's, I sure was grasping at straws!
You gotta admit, spawn's stuff could be interpreted that she could be the seer. Now, I'd like to hear from spawn what she really was talking about?
Well, I guess it could be interpreted that way *innocent whistling*
My reason that would lead me to "an incredibly boring thread" was that I didn't believe phantom was quilty because he had been a werewolf in game II but I wasn't allowed to refer to it. Actually, I don't know if the mod just draws lots about the roles so there could have been a chance for him to be a wolf again but I didn't find his behaviour suspicious. And I said that out loud.

It would have been a good plan (in my opinion) to act "Seerishly" because if the wolves had killed me, the gifted ones would have had yet another day to use their gifts.

Then, of course, some started to find me suspicious. It would have been fine to get killed during the night but getting lynced on day would've been annoying (that's the time to maul wolves, if possible, not innocents).

Because of that, I said Of course, if you lynch me then we can as well follow phantom's plan. Phantom's plan was: let's kill innocents on daytime. What villagers would do by lyncing me: kill an innocent on daytime. There was no deeper meaning in that.

Next time I play, I'll use the phantom's method instead of hunting blindly like I did. But I think you did great, lmp! There's no way that a wolf could guess everyone's roles right so don't blame yourself. :)

[the guy who be short]

Actually, I don't know if the mod just draws lots about the roles so there could have been a chance for him to be a wolf again but I didn't find his behaviour suspicious.
*imparts wisdom to future mods*

I used the random number generating button on my calculator. The formula to use to choose a random number is (Ran X n) + 1. Then use the first digit, and you'll get a number from 1 to n, n being the number of people to choose from. :D

*BDers look at TGWBS strangely...*

Yes, I do like maths. Or 'math' as Americans insist on calling it. :p

[Firefoot]

*Wanders off, fiddles with calculator for a while, wanders back.*

Fascinating, TGWBS! I didn't even know my calculator could do that! :D (Yeah, I'm pretty easily intrigued.)

[Lhunardawen]

So I'm taking a break in order to keep them in a good mood for when I mod, because that will involve even more time clogging up the phone line. :D And perhaps so you could prepare your gory deaths. I'll be playing in that game...so make it good! :D

[the guy who be short]

It was a shame, but I didn't get to use some of the deaths I'd thought out. One I remember particularly vividly is the baker's death (Celuien, I think it was).

Basically, the villages would rush in to the bakery and find nobody there. There would be a short panic - but then they'd find a note from Celuien saying she was out for a while, enjoy the pies.

So they'd eat all these pies they found on her table and wonder where she got the pork from. Until, of course, she didn't come back...

I wanted the make a little joke about how "the fact that Celuien would live on inside them wasn't comforting."

Oh well. I really wanted to use that death.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Jeez, TGWBS. Using a calculator? You've got me beat, technology-wise. My plans involve meenying some eenies. Well... that's tied with IMing whoever happens to be online and saying "Hey, which name sounds more werewolfish to you?" ;)

[the guy who be short]

Thanks for telling us Fea. In your game, all we have to do is eenie-meeny through the list of players, and whoever we land in is a wolf. Simple!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Untrue. You see, the variables (order of names, order of parts) allow for an amazingly large variety of combinations. And besides... I've heard many an Eeny Meenie in my day, and all that is Moed is not equal. ;)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

That death rocks tgwbs.

And dancing spawn, you must know by now that the mods randomly assign the roles? 'Twouldn't be fair otherwise. I used a complicated method involving the racing of mice.

Don't ask.

[Celuien]

It was a shame, but I didn't get to use some of the deaths I'd thought out. One I remember particularly vividly is the baker's death (Celuien, I think it was).

Basically, the villages would rush in to the bakery and find nobody there. There would be a short panic - but then they'd find a note from Celuien saying she was out for a while, enjoy the pies.

So they'd eat all these pies they found on her table and wonder where she got the pork from. Until, of course, she didn't come back...

I wanted the make a little joke about how "the fact that Celuien would live on inside them wasn't comforting."

Oh well. I really wanted to use that death.
Now that would have been quite a scene. All of the scenes you wrote were great. :D

Actually, I think Evisse was the village baker. I liked to sit behind my loom and weave fabric.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

And dancing spawn, you must know by now that the mods randomly assign the roles? 'Twouldn't be fair otherwise. I used a complicated method involving the racing of mice.
True, but it wouldn't be fair either if some people got to be gifted many times in a row and others were regular villagers every time.

Don't ask.
I won't.

TGWBS, that death you planned for the baker is absolutely disgusting! Well, in a good way, I guess. Though it is an interesting addition to lycanthropy lore that werewolves can bake pies.