Tol-in-Gaurhoth VII (The Saga goes ever on and on)

[Lhunardawen]

What a mess this village is becoming. It seems to me its name Loveland is but a mockery.

Before sharing my own thoughts I would like to begin with a defense of myself: I believe the main reason some of you suspected me of wolvery (or cobblery(?)) is my howling. That, I am afraid, is nothing I do of my own consciousness; it is an involuntary action cause by the phases of the moon. I guess you have to pay a visit to your nearest dictionary, and look for the word wrongly spelled lunatic. That should clarify things. mormegil was right in post #173 - you should probably all seek professional help for my unfortunate condition.

So, though it crushes me to say this, Lhunardawen is near the top of my list. Oh big bro, how could you say such a thing and cause me this pain? My weird time zone disables me from seeing enough to make a sensible vote. I am against random lynching, and that is exactly I would have done if I voted. I was well aware of my action's possible consequences, yet I went with it because no name would really come up. In Day 2 at least I had Day 1's voting and the death in Night 2 to help me decide (though now I realize my deduction was wrong).

Oromin is not a wolf. She is playing the cobbler role to a 'T'. Earlier spawn said something about me spending too much time with Nilp. Would you guys have to force me towards such an end as his just to feel the same regret you did after he was lynched?

And another thing, Oromin is doing now more or less the exact same thing Nilp did when he yet lived. There is a slight probability that she is a wolf hiding behind a possible déjà vu. Very more likely she is the cobbler, and mentioned two other names to sound convincingly lupine. In this case I agree with Enca that Oromin is lying in at least one account. Further along the line I can say I agree with Kath that only one of those she mentioned is actually a werewolf: wilwa. So I would suggest that we all keep from lynching Oromin, at least for this Day.

To mention the obvious and the utterly repeated, the following are now most under suspicion: wilwa, Kitanna, and The Elf-warrior.

[Lhunardawen]

It breaks my heart, but what must be done must be done: I am suspecting Eomer of the Rohirrim of lycanthropy.

He alone questioned the suspicion cast upon tgwbs and The Elf-Warrior. At the same time, he seemed to be utterly convinced of Fea's and Nilp's innocence - both of whom turned out to be innocent indeed. Who better to know of the innocence of others than a werewolf?

There is also a scary irony in him being, as he said, "easy to sway" and the powers of persuasion he possesses, though seemingly unbeknownst to him. He alone voted for Oddwen the first Day, then yesterDay he somehow managed to get her lynched.

Now that Oddwen has been mentioned, I am not exactly sure, but it seemed to me that he "waited" for someone to initiate the voting for Oddwen yesterDay. After Kitanna did he cast once again his vote for Oddwen. Now we know bandwagoning is considered a lupine trait...but he was no bandwagoner. It was originally his idea that Oddwen is possibly a werewolf, anyway. Now that Oddwen's innocence has been proven he is pushing Kitanna towards the gallows, as if to say "I am in no way in league with her."

Then there is that reaction of his upon finding out that Oddwen is the Ranger right before she died. The emotion he showed is quite unsettling. He could have been hiding behind a mask of regret.

I would very much like to hear his defense.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I feel uneasy about deciding the next three lynching targets beforehand.

Kitanna didn't defend herself against accusations but made a rather shaky attempt to turn the conversation to Oromin. I got the feeling that Kitanna has accepted her faith to be the next one to go and she doesn't want to blame nor defend anybody because she's afraid that she might give her fellow wolves' identities away. I'm truly sorry about Oromin's RL problems but as I said earlier, I'm not going to vote for her today.

I think Kath is trying to appear innocent by attacking Kitanna, her fellow wolf. So, you agree that Kitanna is a wolf but you vote for Kath.

[Saurreg]

OOC: MormIt's the week end, I ;aways wake up late.

IC:

*staggers into village square*

Help ma boab! Dah wulves struck again! D'ish time they took me bold Roger und plain Jane. Me Roger wif his natural, unkontrrollable woot woot was dah prroud papa of me many lambs. Und Jane; seeh arn't much of a lookah, but seeh did give good wool. If d'ish goes on, me be brroke!

I pitah the death of Oddy und I state again I nev'r suspected her, not one bit. Now dat death Headah Durelin, seeh kinda taked too much und made me sus'pis of 'er. Now I canna help but feel guilty dat me posts had somethung to do wif 'er rrevealing 'er trrue idenity. Me be shaameful fur long long time...

Ou' rreseident starr gai'zer LMP had sugessted dat we nominate a leadah to guide us tru' d'ish daarke daz. 'tis could work but me haf me doubts. Haven't we all been sus'pis of people trrying to lead public opinion? Und arn't dat a basis of ou' sus'pis on others? Someone who trries hard to sway opinion und kontrol dah votes? Now we welcome d'ish idea?

We also haf frrom dah Kath a ska... ske.... timetable on who to lay low in dah next cop'l daz. Dat is a bettah idea. If Kath's rite (bey dah way, arre yer a lad or lassie? me canna tell wif all dat hair.) den all'z good. But dah prob' is dah timing; fur ev'rry wulf we slay in dah day, another innocent buys dah big one at nite. In wors' caze, six innocents go by dah end of deh third day.

So me be suggest dah dreaded mass lynching - we take t'ree of dah most fawl dog-faces und we chop off dah heads. One of 'em must be a wulf in disguist. Drrastic times call fur drrastic measures.

Whatcha t'ink?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

So me be suggest dah dreaded mass lynching - we take t'ree of dah most fawl dog-faces und we chop off dah heads. One of 'em must be a wulf in disguist. Drrastic times call fur drrastic measures.

Whatcha t'ink?
I would have suggested that myself but I was too afraid of the wrath of our Moddessgoddess. Who are the three that you want to get decapitated (if morm is finally allowed to pursue his profession)? Three lynchings in one day may be a bit too bold but I would settle for two deaths.

[Saurreg]

Well lassie, ++Wilwarin gets me vote. An if we can get a triple tie together wif Elf-warrior und Kitianna den we haf a higher prrob of catching a lycan.

Und- Oooh! Me head! I fe'l dizzy! Somethung's happening! Ayyyeee~~~*

OOC:
I won't be back to cast my vote later
cuz I'm going to town to catch some fireworks.
Hence my vote now.

*~~~ Woooo! Wat was dat? Me fe'ling bettah now. Strrange, me never had dizzy spells before. Must be me worries on dah missing sheep.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Thanks Lhuna. I was feeling a bit weird without suspicion hanging over me. :D

I realise that my huge mistake in picking Oddwen is a serious blow against me. Rest assured, the choice was in good faith. And that emotion you saw from me when her gift became apparent was genuine. Hey! We dancers are emotional to a fault.

Lhuna, you think my confidence in the innocence of Nilp et al is suspicious, but I answer thusly: You look at this from the wrong angle. I was not certain of their innocence; I was much more interested in why they were being accused. A lot of the early reasoning was supect, and I think my initial scepticism has been proven to be wise.

You can see me as a wolf if you like. I have no truly brilliant comeback to that. But I will say this: Why would a wolf-Eomer killFea (who wanted to keep me alive as long as possible) and attack littlemanpoet (who earlier seemed fairly sure of my innocence)? My behaviour has not been wolvish in the slightest.

And if you think I'm going to halt suspicion on you Lhuna, just because of that little attack, then think again. You are still hovering near the top of my lynch list, although it appears that the other villagers are content to buy you time. :p

Oromin is a strange case. I sincerely sympathise with her RL situation. Yet I am more certain that Kitanna is a wolf. Some other villagers seem more sure of The Elf-Warrior and Wilwa but I think we should probably just let Oromin go tomorrow.

++KITANNA

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I feel I'm repeating myself but I've re-read our possible wolf trio's posts again and I really believe that they are the culprits. There is some sort of mutual understanding and defending pattern going on between Kitanna and Elf-warrior. Kitanna's posts #218 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=402768&postcount=218) , #220 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=402770&postcount=220) and #224 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=402783&postcount=224) show a fierce attempt to stand up for E-w but her reasoning is really flimsy.

Elf-warrior is trying to gain Kitanna one extra night by attacking Kath. In his post #249 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=402906&postcount=249) Elf-warrior says that both Kitanna and Kath are wolves but he chooses to vote for Kath over Kitanna. I'm not taking E-w's accusations against Kath very seriously.

E-w also kind of defends wilwa. But is wilwa really guilty or is this some trick of his? It may be possible that Elf-warrior is just mentioning wilwa to make us suspicious of her. If that's the case, Oromin just might be a wolf but I don't know...

If we're up to double-lynching I'd suggest that we get rid of Kitanna and Elf-warrior but that's just my gut feeling.

Here are the votes thus far:
- Oromin -> herself
- Mormegil -> Kitanna
- Elf-warrior -> Kath
- Saurreg -> wilwa
- Eomer -> Kitanna

I think the rest of us should hold their votes until our two possible wolves (Kitanna and wilwa) vote so they can't break a tie and we can tip the scales as we please.

[Kath]

I am a girl to whoever it was that asked.

And Elf-Warrior is trying to take suspicion away from himself and put it on me to avoid getting lynched. He said that if Kitanna was a wolf I would be vindicated and beyond suspicion, which I greatly hope is true but it is not a werewolvish plot. I hope that it will show my ideas should be taken seriously. Also, E-W then decided to vote for me even though he agrees that Kitanna is a wolf, now if that's not suspicious nothing is.

However, I would prefer to go by a list still so we can see people who are trying to go against it.

My vote is certain:
++KITANNA

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I would prefer to go by a list still so we can see people who are trying to go against it. What does the final list look like? 1) Kitanna, 2) Elf-warrior 3) wilwa? I'm fine with the first two but I want to see if they both are wolves before I can promise to vote for wilwa. What are your thoughts about "dah dreaded mass lynching"?

[wilwarin538]

Wow, I don't know what to say. :eek: It seems alot of people are blaming me. May I ask why Ive earned so much suspision?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Actually, I'm quite sympathetic toward Wilwarin. Kitanna, Elf-Warrior and Oromin are certainly worthy of much suspicion but I think Wilwa's been a bit unfortunate here.

I'd take her off the list but I'm not too bothered. There are villagers whose innocence I am more confident in.

[mormegil]

As to not incur "fiery" wrath I think we ought not to go for double or triple lynchings just yet. We all seem to have some sort of consensus about Kitanna's guilt. However there is still some doubt, at least in my mind, of Wilwarin. Oromin is tricky too. I do sympathize with her RL problems but we would be better served at killing somebody who we feel much more certain in. As for E-w I'm more certain of him than I am Wilwa so if we do go for the double I would rather chop his head off than I would Wilwa's; barring of course this crazy town take it into their own hands again.

Oh and Wilwarin to answer your last question please read over the last DAY's posts to see why we suspect you.

[Firefoot]

*lightning, crack of thunder*

*muttershould'vedisallowedmasslynchingsoutrightmut ter*

:p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oromin just cannot be an ordinary villager. No ordo would do what she's doing. She's either the cobbler or a wolf and should be gotten rid of swiftly. Before The Elf-Warrior, in my opinion, though I'd be glad to see him go, um......three days from now?

1- Kitanna

2- Oromin

3- Elf-Warrior

Yes, that's my list. Followed by Lhuna and maybe wilwa. But those two I am prepared to grant more time.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

May I ask why Ive earned so much suspision? Do you really not know? I link here a few posts that support the suspicions (there are more, though).
Post #87 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=401862&postcount=87) by me, #157 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=402373&postcount=157) by morm, #217 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=402765&postcount=217) by Kath, #226 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=402797&postcount=226) also by Kath, #232 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=402840&postcount=232) by me and #234 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=402845&postcount=234) by lmp.

But I've found a good bunch of quotes that speak for wilwa's innocence.
#184 by TGWBS: "Durelin and wilwarin are innocent."
#223 by Oromin: "Lhuna and wilwa are my fellow wolves." Should we really believe?
#246 by Enca:"I do not know why everyone is casting so much blame on Wilwa; it is certainly unjustified." Could this mean that they are the Shirrifs?

See also my post #258 on this page.

I think it's our best interests to lynch Kitanna (and Elf-warrior if a dreadful curse is not casted upon us by certain Goddess) today and see what tomorrow brings. In other words: I agree with Eomer and mormegil.

[wilwarin538]

Originally posted By Feanor of the Peredhil
Wilwa: innocent. She's but an inexperienced lass and her posts reflect it (in a good way, of course). I presume [maybe wrongly] that we would see some muddled subtlety if she was trying to hide anything.

and....

Originally posted by the guy who be short

Wilwarin, I declare, is innocent. The wolves killed Feanor for picking Wilwa as an innocent in such a Seerish way, rather than for picking a wolf (though perhaps she did manage to name one or two; she named so many people that it's not unlikely).

Of course, there could be a little reverse psychology going on, with Wilwa as a wolf, but I like my theory enough to stick to it.

and...

Originally posted by Mormegil
Wilwarin--I'm not as convinced of her innocence as was Fea. A bold wolf could kill somebody that thought her innocent and hope that somebody, another wolf perhaps, points out that no wolf would do that. This would implicate a TGWBS/Wilwarin team. Unless, of course, TGWBS is the victim of her ploy which I don't think is the case. I may vote her too.


It looks to me like this is what started the suspision on me. It all started because Fea thought me innocent. I find that ironic. :smokin: ;)

[mormegil]

The problem with TGWBS and Fea saying your innocent especially Fea is that they really didn't know much of anything. Now if Fea had been the seer than you would be exonerated completely. It is a good thing that others found you innocent but being as they were not gifted it's not as convincing as you would hope. I think what has happened Wilwarin is that the first day most of us found you innocent but our opinion has been shifting steadily towards you. You will have another day or two to show your innocence...make it worthwhile.

Remember that TORE will not be around much today if at all so we cannot expect his vote, which is unfortunate because I think he is truly innocent.

[littlemanpoet]

Let's not do any mass lynchings. Take 'em one at a time. There's still enough of us.... if we get lucky and lynch three in a row, which it's beginning to look like we have a chance of doing, from my point of view.

Encaitare's post # 246 makes me think she's either the seer or a shirriff. More likely a shirriff. The sooner we have a good idea of who the shirriffs are, the better off the village is. If Enca is a shirriff, then Wilwa is the other. In which case it could be that Kitanna, Elf Warrior, and Oromin are the werewolves.

I'm quite convinced of the innocence of the following: Morm, Eomer, Kath, Estel, Spawn.

I'm thinking that if Encai is a shirriff, and Orom a werewolf, then Lhuna is the cobbler.

Elf Warrior, you're wrong. Kath's plan is at least as good as mine. And you're a werewolf. And since you're accusing Kath, I'm even more sure that she's innocent.

If Oromin has an extended absence, the Moddessgoddess will arrange her death anyway, and we don't have to worry about her.

But now Lhuna is acting very wolvish today (or cobblerish), especially if she's accusing Eomer.

Okay, now Saurreg is saying stuff that casts doubt where it doesn't belong. That, my friends, is wolvish behavior. If he's a werewolf, he's been doing a great job of hiding behind his sheep. Talk about a disguise!

Let it be said once and for all that voting for Kitanna today is not bandwagoning, but a serious and level-headed attempt to actually get rid of a werewolf.

So currently, my top suspects in order are:
Kitanna
Elf-Warrior
At a secondary level I'm not sure between:
Saurreg
Lhuna
Oromin

But as I said, if Oromin can't post, let the moddessgoddess arrange her death. Don't waste a lynching vote on her.

++ Kitanna

My computer's still broke, and I'm spending my allotted hour in the public library. This is it for me until Monday.

Edit: final thoughts: I still don't trust Elf-Warrior. If Kitanna turns out to be innocent (which would really, really surprise me), then we need to take a really careful look at Elf Warrior and Saurreg. If Oromin is actually a wolf, then Lhuna is the cobbler. If Oromin is not a wolf, she's the cobbler. Either way, don't worry about Oromin if she's extendedly absent.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I said this yesterday and I'll say it again. ++KITANNA!

Votes:

Orominuialwen
Oromin

Kitanna
morm
Eomer
Kath
lmp
spawn

wilwarin538
Saurreg

Kath
Elf-warrior


OOC: I just found out that we're heading for our summer cabin for two RL days which means that I might miss the whole Day4. There's a slight chance that I might be back to slip my vote in before Night5 but you shouldn't count on that.

[wilwarin538]

Im heading to work now so I'll have to vote now.

++Kitanna

You most definetly wont hear from me again toDay.

[Encaitare]

++Kitanna

[The Only Real Estel]

*Shakes cobwebs from brain*

Well, I'm back & I see a lot has been decided. Here are my thoughts on some of this:

Oromin: Wow. I doubt she is an innocent villager because going through the guise that she's going through would only confuse us, something no innocent should want. But if she is the cobbler than she is likely lieing about both wolves, there would be no reason for a cobbler to indicate who she/he really thinks are the wolves. I will vote Kitanna this round (I apoligize for the lateness of the vote, but it could not be helped, of course), but probably Oromin next round. While I think it would be a time-saver to have Moddessgodess make up a death for Oro instead of us having to lynch her I'm not sure that that will happen.

Leader Plan/Trials: I would obviously not be a big fan of the leader plan now that we seem to have three days worth of people lined up to lynch; although I appreciate the fact that morm would think me able enough for such a role if it weren't for my being so busy of late. Perhaps if we reach Monday & somehow the wolves are still among us we should revisit this idea? The trial plan seems like an unneeded addition to the game - there's nothing wrong with it, but I think we can accomplish the same thing without wasting half a day trying to organize the courtroom. :D

Kitanna: I have been suspicious of for quite some time, although I was beginning to waver a bit before this day. As for Elf-Warrior & Wilwa, I'm not quite sure. They will take more thinking about on my part. As I said, I would rather lynch Oro tommorrow instead of forcing her to drop out of the, er...village, because it seems like forcing her out would be undermining the, er...village. :p

Lhuna: Still not quite sure what to make of her. She accuses Eomer who I am probably the least worried about.

As I said, I will vote ++ Kitanna, but I hope to voice a few more opinions before Day has ended.

[Lhunardawen]

My, my. I give you a new perspective on the game and what I get in return is your suspicion. How ironic is that.

Then again, stupid me forgot that that is how this whole thing really goes.

Thanks Lhuna. I was feeling a bit weird without suspicion hanging over me. :D My pleasure, dear.

You ask why a wolf-Eomer would kill Fea and attack lmp, the former wanting to keep you alive and the latter fairly certain of your innocence? To detract attention, that is why. Your behaviour indeed has not been wolvish - nobody has ever suspected you so far, except for this Lhunatic character. I am well aware that you are smart, and so as a werewolf you can play the game in the best possible way: without any suspicion being directed at you for failing to show any lycanthropic trait.

I know that this pathetic attempt of mine to let the villagers see you in a new light will not make you think I am any less suspicious. Indeed I know that it could possibly, in some way, cause me my dearly-held life. But I am willing to take such a gamble.

From what I have seen during this Day, it seems to me that we could successfully lynch our first werewolf. The connection between Kitanna and The Elf-warrior seems to make very good sense, too - so The Elf-warrior could be our next lynchee ceteris paribus. But I think wilwa could just be a confused innocent. As for Oromin, we probably need not bother about lynching her and just let the Moddess Goddess do her thing.

++KITANNA

On a final note, this could very possibly be the last time I will make sensible statements, for I fear that in the next Days my Lhunacy will get the better of me. You should have sought professional help for me as mormegil suggested. But then again, this could be my last post in the game.

[Firefoot]

Okay, a more-than majority has been reached for Kitanna's lynching, and I will be heading out for the afternoon here shortly. If you have any last minute comments to make, please make them quickly; I will probably be posting Kitanna's death a little early.

[Lhunardawen]

I just could not resist...

And that emotion you saw from me when her gift became apparent was genuine. Hey! We dancers are emotional to a fault. Of course, it could have been genuine regret.

"Aww...too bad Oddwen was not the Seer!"

:p

[Kitanna]

LAST MINUTE COMMENT!!!!

++ KITANNA
meh...

[Firefoot]

This time the villagers were certain they had pinpointed a wolf; everything about Kitanna pointed to a furry secret. Being so confident, the villagers were also eager to give their gallows another shot – after all, werewolves were supposed to be hung. No one knew why, exactly, but that was the way it was supposed to be done.

“Just give me a chance!” pleaded Kitanna. “I’m innocent, honest! I’ll… I’ll even point you in the direction of the real wolves!”

“Wolvish lies, all of it!” retorted the villagers. “You’d probably point out innocents, anyway.” There was nothing Kitanna could say to this, so she remained defiantly quiet.

The villagers had learned from their mistakes in more than one way – they were even willing to let their official executioner oversee the proceedings – so they said. As they drew nearer to the gallows their blood ran the hotter and the more mob-like they became. So while the executioner was allowed up to the gallows, he never actually had a hand in tying the noose, and he certainly did not get to use his axe, which he regretfully left leaning against the base of the gallows.

“I suppose you’ve figured out how to tie a slip-knot by now?” Kitanna asked sweetly.

“Shut your mouth, you wolf,” snapped a villager (the one who was trying and failing at getting a proper slip-knot tied). Finally, though, the rope was tied to everyone’s satisfaction and the noose was slipped around Kitanna’s neck. The shouts and jeers of the mob suddenly grew very quiet: here came the moment of truth.

They were about to pull the lever when with a startling snarl, Kitanna began to transform. Her nose lengthened into a snout, her chest broadened, and thick grey hair sprouted all over her body. Someone shrieked; another shouted, “Hang her! Now!” But the villager in charge of working the gallows was too stunned to move.

One level-headed villager thought quickly. With a stroke of brilliance, he snatched the executioner’s axe (once more, the mob had prevented their unfortunate executioner from reaching it) and, stepping as close to the raging wolf-Kitanna as he dared, took a wild swing at her neck.

In later days, some would debate whether it was luck or skill that guided the hand of the villager (most say luck). The axe did not slice through Kitanna’s neck as intended, but it did lodge between her shoulder blades, effectively severing her spinal column and paralyzing her. She hung limply from the noose, which finally worked though the gallows had never been activated, and soon suffocated.

Victorious at last, the villagers retired to their homes in rejoicing. After several innocents’ deaths, they had killed a werewolf.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Dancing Spawn
Elf-warrior
Encai
Eomer
Kath
Lhuna
LMP
Mormegil
Oromin
Saurreg
TORE
Wilwarin

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3

Score:

Werewolves – 2
Villagers – 10

It is now Night 4. I need names from the Wolves and Seer; Shirriffs should stop PM'ing. Night will end in 24 hours.

[Firefoot]

It was a drizzly sort of morning when the villagers awoke on the morning of Day 4. Quickly taking stock of their numbers (which, alas, was growing ever smaller) and found that [d]Dancing Spawn[/b] no longer lived among them.

What would they do without their beloved landlady? Absurd question: she had had but one tenant, already dead, and it was unlikely that any more would come to this mistakenly named village.

With these heavy thoughts in mind, the villagers headed off to Dancing Spawn’s lovely home. Today, the door was wide open and inside were signs of evident struggle. The front room was the room in which possible tenants had their first impression of Dancing Spawn’s ably run business, and she had always taken great pride in its appearance. Now, however, the curtains were shredded, the furniture in pieces, and the stuffing from the pillows had been ripped out. The wolves had clearly been on a rampage the previous night, and for good reason: the villager they had thought was the Seer was no seer at all. In fact, she was completely ordinary.

On the stairway, the fifth and sixth steps had been smashed in, revealing the contents of the closet beneath. It was into this closet that Dancing Spawn had been stuffed (through the hole in the stairs, not the door). The villagers saw clearly that she had been put through a lot of pain before being killed: her legs and arms were both twisted in such ways as no limbs were meant to be built. Finally satisfied with the painful punishment for not being the seer, the wolves had twisted her head around 180 degrees, instantly killing the unfortunate landlady.

Some thought she looked reminiscent of a pretzel; others merely saw a knot. Either way, it looked to have been an entirely unpleasant experience. Rather sickened by the sight, the villagers retreated outside, and for once, no one had anything to say.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Elf-warrior
Encai
Eomer
Kath
Lhuna
LMP
Mormegil
Oromin
Saurreg
TORE
Wilwarin

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3
Dancing Spawn (Ordinary Villager) – Twisted like a pretzel and stuffed in a closet by werewolves on Night 4

Score:

Werewolves – 2
Villagers – 9

It is now Day 4. Shirriffs may PM each other; werewolves should stop. Day will end in 24 hours.

[mormegil]

What does everybody else think about the seer revealing themselves to us today? I say he/she should if they know enough information to make it worth while. Sadly the only person that can know for certain is the seer. They should use prudence in this but I believe I know who the seer is and will listen to that individual carefully.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Should the Seer reveal his/herself? Let's not panic yet. Loveland was a pretty big village; there are still plenty of innocents yet alive.

If Firefoot is to be read in the way I read her, it appears as if the wolves have no clue who the Seer is. So that's good.

I still think we should lynch Oromin today. It's very clear: In all probability, she is either a wolf or the cobbler. It's the best option we have at the moment.

[The Only Real Estel]

I agree about Oromin to a degree. I'd say she could be at the very least the cobbler. But I'm also suspicious of Lhuna & a little suspicious of lmp. It is satisfying to see the wolves bungle attemtps at killing the seer - whoever the seer is is doing a great job of hiding! :D

I probably won't be able to post again today, if I do I will be extremely suprised.

[Kath]

I'm not so sure about the Seer revealing themselves today. So far it doesn't really look like the wolves have much of an idea as to who the Seer is and I think maybe it would be a better idea to allow them to keep themselves under wraps a while longer, unless of course they know who all three wolves are in which case of course go for it!

What I would like to know though is why sudden suspicion has moved onto Oromin when yesterDay pretty much everyone was determined that Elf-Warrior would follow in Kitanna's footsteps? Oromin may well be the Cobbler using her talent for confusion to try and force us into lynching her rather than an actual wolf. Since she is away at the moment and cannot post it would seem better to go after active participants and use her almost as a safety option. If we lynch Elf-Warrior and he is not a wolf then we move on to Oromin.

[The Only Real Estel]

I would say the opposite. Lynch Oro & fall back on Elf-Warrior. But I could change opinions, I guess. I just don't think it's very likely...

[Orominuialwen]

Just for clarification, I will be around, at least for the time being. I have no idea when I will have to leave, but when I do, I'll PM Firefoot and let her know, or if I cannot do that, I have told her to write my death if I do not post for a whole DAY period. Therefore, don't count me out until you lynch me or Firefoot writes my death. Personally, it would help everyone but my remaining fellow wolf if you would lynch me, and even that person has told me they will be able to manage. I'm pretty much giving you a free shot here. Kill a wolf while you can...

[mormegil]

Too bad our blacksmith is dead my axe is developing rust! :rolleyes:

I think that killing Oromin is a bad idea! We all seem to think that most likely she is the cobbler and therefore technically innocent. We should keep around as many innocents as we can. I am much more convinced of Elf-warrior's guilt than the off chance the Oromin is a wolf. I will be voting right now with out futher hesitation.

++Elf-warrior

I would ask that our seer either dream of Wilwarin or Oromin if they haven't. If they have been dreampt of I suggest either Encai or Kath or possibly Lhuna though I'm not as suspicious of Kath and Lhuna, encai is still high on my list and the other two round out the top.

ps for the sake of our dear axe hating moddess remember to keep your vote on a separate line. :D

[Saurreg]

Me griff for dah Spawn. Dah lass was aft' all dah only soul who looked kindly upon me suggestion. :D


Okay, now Saurreg is saying stuff that casts doubt where it doesn't belong. That, my friends, is wolvish behavior. If he's a werewolf, he's been doing a great job of hiding behind his sheep. Talk about a disguise!

D'ish ol' foggy's detectin' a pattern 'ere; 'evry rround somebody's gotta accuse 'im of something. Und arn't it a surprise dat it's LMP's turn? :rolleyes:

Wulvisf beha'vor eh? Prray tell den mah good man, wot 'rre yer talking about? Is dat due to dah mass lynchin' or dat me be sus'pis of yer plan to hand decsion-makin' to one person?

Mass kynching works cuz we haf a prretty good size population und lotsa suspects but too lit' time. It's kindah like a net wif a big scoop - we're bound to catch a wulf as long as dah kandidates were well chosen. Leader thingy is a tasd too risky und sus'pis. once morre me question dah purpose inhaving someone trry to sway und kontral the others' decision. One 'ery good way of detecting a fury wulf is dat 'e or seeh would trry und sway opinion und dah alert ones be able to catch 'im in dah act. Now adding dah leader thing in, it's like... like throwing dah hounds off dah scent cuzing distraction und such, konfusion even!

Now why we would wanna do a thing. We've got ou' fair share of sabotahin' loonies und 'eir appreticees. Me no think stirring dah pot more would solve dah prob.

Mayhaps we should all look closely at dah star gai'zar und question dah reason behind 'is idea.

As of now me think dat ++wilwarin is still me greatest suspect. She didna retort to me nor others' accusions yes'day. Throw in dah Elf-warrior und we could haf a double lynch today.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Saurreg:
As of now me think dat ++wilwarin is still me greatest suspect. She didna retort to me nor others' accusions yes'day. Throw in dah Elf-warrior und we could haf a double lynch today

No double lynchings. We don't want to bring the wrath of the ModdessGoddess down on us. :eek:

Mormegil, you may have a point on Oro, but I'm not 100% sure of Elf-Warrior's guilt either. Right now I am suspicious of Lhuna, Wilwa, lmp, Oro, E-W, & a little suspicious of Enca & Saurreg.

Posted Lhuna on her suspicions of Eomer:
My, my. I give you a new perspective on the game and what I get in return is your suspicion. How ironic is that...Your behaviour indeed has not been wolvish - nobody has ever suspected you so far, except for this Lhunatic character

I do not suspect you soley because you accused Eomer. I had already thought of the points that you brought out & considered them but I didn't think they stood up to any sort of scrutiny in my opinion. I don't think that we should lynch a smart innocent just because he appears to be...well, innocent.

Eomer of course could be a wolf. Then again, so could I, so could morm, so could you. But innocent behavior alone is not grounds for lynching to me, so I was somewhat suspicious of you accusing Eomer on those grounds alone.

edit: Wow, this usually talkative village (the most posted in ‘village’ already that I know of) has grown strangely quiet this DAY. I thought I wouldn’t be able to post at all, but it ends up I’ve accounted for a third of the posting. :eek:

[Encaitare]

I would ask that our seer either dream of Wilwarin or Oromin if they haven't. If they have been dreampt of I suggest either Encai or Kath or possibly Lhuna though I'm not as suspicious of Kath and Lhuna, encai is still high on my list and the other two round out the top.

And I still don't understand why you suspect me, morm. But go on, dream of me if you like, Seer. I've nothing to hide.

[mormegil]

And I still don't understand why you suspect me, morm. But go on, dream of me if you like, Seer. I've nothing to hide.

As of right now I have no real good solid evidence but your early DAY 1 and 2 behavior was somewhat suspicious and you seem to get all riled up everytime I mention your name. So you are on my suspicion list but lower than you were at once. That at least should make you happy.

Posted by TORE
edit: Wow, this usually talkative village (the most posted in ‘village’ already that I know of) has grown strangely quiet this DAY. I thought I wouldn’t be able to post at all, but it ends up I’ve accounted for a third of the posting.

There are many we have yet to hear from at all. I believe the E-w (wolf) is among them which heightens my suspicions of him, though it doesn't matter now my vote is cast. I do realize that it could be due to RL items but it could also be an attempt to be forgotten.

The way Oromin is going back and forth seems to solidify my belief that she is in fact the cobbler so it's really pointless to kill her. I think we could, rather, develop some social program where we teach her some really valuable life skills so that she can move up from her petty cobblering into something that she can feel really good about. (such as teaching me how to use punctuation :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) That way she won't hate life as much and we can be given credit with saving somebody's life...wait did that just come from the executioner? :eek:

[The Elf-warrior]

The Only Real Estel, If Encaitare is innocent then Wilwarin is almost certainly innocent. Wilwa hasn't denied that she's a shirriff.
From post 172:
I act this way because every small hint of defending or accusing someone is blown out of proportion in this game.

From post 225:


Lhuna and wilwa are my fellow wolves.

This is a lie on at least one account.

From post 246:
I do not know why everyone is casting so much blame on Wilwa; it is certainly unjustified.

Couldn't someone say that he/she knows that Encaitare is lying if she is?
More tomorrow, I hope. I must get to bed.

[Lhunardawen]

The White Fashe wash conshiderate; I wash shpared from my ushual Half Moon fate becaush toDay, and the daysh after thish, are going to be very critical for the village. However, I wash left with thish horrible shlurry shpeech. Pleash bear with it.

How deshpicable, thish thing that happened to our poor innkeeper! The fact that she wash not the Sheer (ash I conshidered she might have been) ish fortunate, but that doesh not make her pashshing any eashier to bear. Shleep in peash, fair one.

It ish very good that our Sheer remainsh inconshpicuoush ash far ash the werewolvesh are consherned. Whoever you are, I commend you. But pleash keep in mind that the shafety of our village and itsh (innoshent) villagersh reshtsh highly on your shouldersh. With that, act ash you will.

I think it doesh not make shensh to lynch Oromin now. She wash wrong about her 'fellow werewolvesh,' for she did not shay anything about Kitanna, who hash been confirmed to be a lycan indeed. Now I have shaid yeshterDay that there ish a chanshe she might actually be a werewolf, however shmall. But at thish time we should prioritishe thoshe we really shushpect. Unleshsh you want to add another day to your carnivoroush life, Eomer. Or maybe to your fellow werewolf, The Elf-warrior - who wash yeshterDay'sh shecond primary shushpect.

Shpeaking of whom, I think it ish besht we lynch him toDay, while some of ush are not yet shertain of the lycanthropy of othersh.

I know that lmp and Eshtel - among othersh - think that I am a werewolf, or a cobbler. If you are not convinshed of my innoshensh, then have the Sheer dream of me toNight. If that ish not enough, lynch me. But I promish you, if you do that, whatever you felt after Nilp and Oddwen were lynched will come back to haunt you.

++THE ELF-WARRIOR

P.S. Well, well, Eomer. Congratulationsh. You have shuksheshfully made it alive to Day 4. Although I have a feeling we will regret that you ever made it thish far.

[littlemanpoet]

What have I said or done for you guys to be suspicious of me? I'd like to see what you drum up, just for the fun of it.

++ Elf Warrior

I've already said why I think he's a werewolf.

Why you guys think Enca & Wilwa are not the shirriffs, I don't know. It seems pretty obvious to me. I could be wrong.

My previous Day's deductions still hold. Nobody's said anything that leads me to change them. They need refinement, but there's a little time.

Don't do the leader thing. Period. It's both too late and unnecessary. I wish I hadn't thought up the trial thing. It's too complicated.

If Elf Warrior surprisingly is not a wolf, then I'd say we need to look at Enca & Wilwa as our two remaining wolves.

What did Spawn say that got the werewolves ready to lynch her? I really kind of thought I would be dead after yesterDay's post, which suggests that maybe I'm wrong about a few things, or that maybe I'm just as right as Spawn was, and they had to choose which threat to off first.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Let's look here: I think we are all in agreement that Oromin is not an ordinary villager. I am utterly certain that she is the Cobbler or a wolf.

The Elf-Warrior, on the other hand, could be anything.

It's very simple mathematics; Oromin looks far more likely to be a wolf than The Elf-Warrior.

That's why I vote for:

++OROMINUIALWEN

But I'm sure that we'll kill those two today and tomorrow so I'm not sure it matters too much.

Lhuna, you are still amusing me very much, cobbler! :D

[wilwarin538]

Originally posted by Mormegil
I think that killing Oromin is a bad idea! We all seem to think that most likely she is the cobbler and therefore technically innocent. We should keep around as many innocents as we can. I am much more convinced of Elf-warrior's guilt than the off chance the Oromin is a wolf.

I agree with this. I don't think that any Werewolf would be ok with being by himself, the WW team wouldn't stand a chance of winning. It just doesn't make sense.

++Elf-Warrior

I think he's our best bet at this point.

[The Only Real Estel]

++ Oromin

For all the reasons that Eomer brought up. Not that it will probably matter, most likely Elf-Warrior will go today & Oro tommorrow. Still, I'm work on a conspiracy theory & if it works out I may vote differently come the next DAY.

[The Elf-warrior]

From post 251
In this case I agree with Enca that Oromin is lying in at least one account. Further along the line I can say I agree with Kath that only one of those she mentioned is actually a werewolf: wilwa. So I would suggest that we all keep from lynching Oromin, at least for this Day.

Quite suspicious methinks. lmp, why would you target Enca and Wilwa if I turn out to be innocent, which I am by the way?

[Encaitare]

I'm not exactly sure of who to vote for, but I sincerely doubt that Oromin is a wolf. The cobbler, probably, but I don't think she'd ask to get lynched if she were a wolf. Therefore:

++The Elf-warrior

[Kath]

I was going to suggest a double lynch of Oromin and Elf-Warrior just to make things easier but I'm not sure whether we will be able to make that work. Those who have still to vote are:

Kath
Elf-Warrior
Oromin
Wilwa

Now since I think that the wolves are somewhere in that list (excluding me) I don't know that they will vote in a way to reach a double-lynching.

Right now E-W has 6 votes and Oromin has 2 votes. To achieve this Oromin would have to vote for herself. There might also be a problem with E-W but he is going to die anyway so unless Oromin is also a wolf and he wants to protect her he should also vote for Oromin. Therefore I'm going to ask people to try and make this work.

E-W, Oromin and Wilwa would you plese vote for Oromin.

++OROMINUIALWEN

[The Elf-warrior]

All right I'll vote for
++THE ELF-WARRIOR
I hope seeing my untransformed corpse will clear your mind. I am most suspicious of Kath and Lhuna. I don't know if Oromin is a cobbler or a wolf. I am only slightly suspicious of lmp and Saurreg. Encai and Wilwa are almost certainly the shirriffs. TORE, Moregil and Eomer are most probably innocent.

Edit: I crossposted with Kath. I don't really care that I didn't vote according to your plan because for one thing the Modess doesn't like double-lynching. For another I don't know if Oromin is a wolf and you're probably a wolf anyway.

[Saurreg]

Yer a fool laddie, throwing yer life away like dat. u should haf made a deal wif somebody on wo' to lynch aft' yer gone. Dat is prresuming yer innocent.

[wilwarin538]

Kath if you look up four posts from your last post you'll see that I've already cast my vote for Elf-Warrior.

[littlemanpoet]

I know that lmp and Eshtel - among othersh - think that I am a werewolf, or a cobbler. If you are not convinshed of my innoshensh, then have the Sheer dream of me toNight. If that ish not enough, lynch me. But I promish you, if you do that, whatever you felt after Nilp and Oddwen were lynched will come back to haunt you.

P.S. Well, well, Eomer. Congratulationsh. You have shuksheshfully made it alive to Day 4. Although I have a feeling we will regret that you ever made it thish far.

Indeed. My suspicions of you, Lhuna, are fading, because you agree with me, and my suspicions of Eomer, meanwhile, are heightening because he keeps on pointing the finger at me (and I know I'm innocent ... I don't care what the rest of you think about me, but my own innocence is a big factor in deciding who's the real werewolf. :D).

And now Estel has me on his rather conveniently wide rannging list. If Elf Warrior is not a werewolf either, that makes me wonder about both Estel & Eomer!

Quite suspicious methinks. lmp, why would you target Enca & Wilwa if I turn out to be innocent, which I am by the way? Because Encaitare has as good as said that she is certain of Wilwa's innocence. Since I don't believe Enca to be the Seer, that means that if these two are not shirriffs, then they are very likely to be wolves. But I do think they are shirriffs, and if my vote against you is incorrect, my current suspicions lie with Eomer & Estel.

[Saurreg]

'Tis a sham dah sherrifs canna steal a move ahead of the wulves und reveal 'emselves. Dat would greatly reduce dah scop' of suspects. A pitah dah gre't Earthmodma sez no... Arn't it a sham?

Me only advis' to dah seer is for 'im to stay low und kontinah to drream. We'rre going wif dah mass lynchin's und dat's a start but there's still too many of us for dah seer to go public. Unlass, unlass dah seer's got two of dah wulves o'relly und 's willing to go und reveal 'em.

I doubt dat any of dah wulves or dah wulf-wannabe w'old challenge dat, cuz we simply hang one of 'em named suspects und dah trruth be known!

Now the question 's - duz dah seer haf enough time before dah wulves rrandomly select 'im?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I do not keep pointing the finger at you lmp, in fact, I've been pretty quiet about you recently! :D

You do act very much like an innocent but I was merely sticking to an earlier theory. If Elf-Warrior is a wolf then I am prepared to declare thee innocent. However, I am pretty much certain that one wolf voted for tgwbs on DAY ONE, thus if Elf-Warrior is innocent I'll be looking directly at you.

It might very well be a terrible theory but I'm not going to give it up half-way through.

As for being suspicious of Estel, he is the only villager whose innocence I am very confident in (besides myself). What's he done to attract suspicion? :confused:

[The Elf-warrior]

When I joined this village I gave a pseudonym, The Elf-warrior. Now that I am about to be lynched I will tell you my real name, Lazar Wolf. Thus, I am from Russia.

OOC "Live among wolves howl like a wolf" is a Russian proverb I found in Bartlett's Familiar Quotations.

*Howls*

Eomer, might Kath be a wolf who was going to vote for TGWBS but couldn't because of RL? lmp, I think it's more likely that TORE is casting a wide net to try to catch all the fish, or should I say wolves.

[Firefoot]

The Day is done. Expect Elf-Warrior's death soon.

[Firefoot]

Once more, the villagers were near certain that they had found a wolf: that shady character Elf-warrior. He was a butcher, after all – perhaps he had grown tired of butchering animals and now sated his needs by butchering the villagers!

The excitement and blood-lust of the villagers was running high: having bagged one wolf, they were eager to catch another and they eagerly ushered Elf-Warrior off to the gallows. Who cared that it hadn’t worked quite right in previous episodes? Third time’s a charm, right? After all, werewolves deserved a proper hanging. The only one who was disgruntled over this was the executioner, but even he was becoming resignedly used to his fate as the mob ignored his protests once again.

Elf-Warrior made no sign of protests as the villagers jeered at and jostled him through the town, and if anything, this just increased their certainty and made them more eager to see him dead. The noose was tied quickly this time, now that the villagers had discovered that slip-knots really weren’t so very hard to tie. They stepped away from the gallows and a hush fell over the crowd, that nervous anticipation before hopefully affirming their choice.

“I go willingly to my death,” said Elf-Warrior in a clear voice that lifted over the crowd. “When you see that I am innocent, think better of me.”

Silence. Then someone shouted, “Wolvish lies!” and the crowd became more mob-like once more. Without further ado, someone pulled the lever and… nothing. The trap door on which Elf-Warrior was standing did not fall in, but remained motionless. What kind of horrible gallows was this?

A few villagers attempted to rectify the problem, crawling underneath to figure out what was wrong. By the time they were nearing a solution, however, the rest of the mob had grown impatient and someone had hastened to Elf-Warrior’s shop and back. “Butcher’s knives!” that someone cried. “Use his own weapons against him!” This idea was quickly taken up (every single one having forgotten that wolves used their teeth and no true weapons), and the villagers started hurling the knives at Elf-Warrior’s body. This was like stoning, only better! And bloodier!

“Spill the wolf’s blood like he’s spilled ours!” cried someone. Eventually, their stock of knives had been used up, but no matter. The villagers had been so concerned seeing the blood of their “wolf” spilled that they had not noticed that Elf-Warrior had long ceased to live; his body was held up only by the tight noose. And the dead Elf-Warrior looked every bit the ordinary villager he had claimed to be. The two remaining wolves grinned inwardly as the dispirited villagers returned to their homes for the night.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Encai
Eomer
Kath
Lhuna
LMP
Mormegil
Oromin
Saurreg
TORE
Wilwarin

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3
Dancing Spawn (Ordinary Villager) – Twisted like a pretzel and stuffed in a closet by werewolves on Night 4
Elf-Warrior (Ordinary Villager) – Stabbed through with knives by villagers on Day 4

Score:

Werewolves – 2
Villagers – 8

It is now Night 5. I need names from the wolves and the seer; Shirriffs should stop PM'ing. Night will end in 24 hours.

[Firefoot]

As was usual, the villagers met outside in the morning, each relieved to still be alive while dreading to find one of their own dead. Today, it was littlemanpoet who had turned up missing. In a routine that was becoming all too familiar, the villagers trudged off to lmp’s house. What cruel and inhuman killing method had the wolves come up with tonight?

LMP did not have a large house, but it was noted in the village for being the only house in the village that had a third story, which lmp had used for his stargazing. It was here that the villagers soon ended up, climbing two sets of rickety wooden stairs and passing two completely unordinary stories.

The third story was a different story, though. Up here, not only had LMP done all of his studying of the heavens, but he had also kept hundreds of books all pertaining to his rather imprecise craft on numerous book shelves. Once there had also been a table and chairs. Now, the place was a mess. LMP was nowhere to be seen, but every single bookshelf had been toppled and books littered the floor in heaps. Many pages had been torn out; some books were missing front or back covers. The only two items in reasonable shape were the table and the telescope on top of it, which was missing only the lenses.

“He’s probably buried in one of these heaps,” moaned one villager. “We’ll never find him.”

But another caught a strange feature of the telescope: it did not point out to the sky through the open window as one might expect; rather, it was aimed downward, toward one of the overturned bookshelves. “I bet he’s under there,” said that villager.

So with a show of combined strength, the villagers moved the heavy bookshelf off the stack and started digging through the books. Soon, they came to a layer that was all pages stuffed around the body of LMP, as a packager might try to protect a fragile item. The pages were especially thick around his head. Hesitantly, they unwrapped LMP and found that his arms and legs had been tied, and that the ropes had been bolted to the floor. LMP could not have escaped if he tried. They also found the missing telescope lenses: they had been stuffed into LMP’s eyes, even though by the time the wolves had gotten that far, they had already figured out that LMP was not the Seer.

“Suffocated,” declared one. The villagers nodded in agreement. Originally, they thought he had been crushed under the bookshelf, but the pages had been too neatly packed.

Sighing with resignation, the villagers headed downstairs and outside. They had a full day’s work ahead of them.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Encai
Eomer
Kath
Lhuna
Mormegil
Oromin
Saurreg
TORE
Wilwarin

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3
Dancing Spawn (Ordinary Villager) – Twisted like a pretzel and stuffed in a closet by werewolves on Night 4
Elf-Warrior (Ordinary Villager) – Stabbed through with knives by villagers on Day 4
LMP (Ordinary Villager) – Suffocated by werewolves on Night 5.

Score:

Werewolves – 2
Villagers – 7

It is now Day 5. Werewolves, stop PM’ing; Shirriffs may start.

[mormegil]

Well I'm starting to wonder if there's more to TORE than meets the eye. Almost everyone thinks he's innocent and therefore is a prime target for the wolves and yet he is alive. I have little time to review today but I would like to look into it a bit more.

[The Only Real Estel]

Wow, I was beginning to think that lmp was a wolf. When he said this:

If Elf Warrior is not a werewolf either, that makes me wonder about both Estel & Eomer!

if my vote against you [Elf-Warrior] is incorrect, my current suspicions lie with Eomer & Estel

I was very suspicious. It made no sense to me that if Elf-Warrior were found innocent (which he was), then the two (possibly the only two) people who weren't so sure he was guilty & so refused to bandwagon would jump to the top of his list. Really, that, along with a few other things, convinced me that I would probably vote lmp this DAY.

Let me review a little of what's been said before I post again.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, I've wasted a lot of time with my earlier theory: that being the trio of Oddwen, Elf-Warrior and littlemanpoet contained a wolf. Hopeless Eomer, utterly utterly hopeless...

I am also very worried because littlemanpoet was obviously suspicious of me and thus a few of you might be more than happy to lynch me today. Of course I am not aware of the wolves' foul strategies but this seems like a bit of a set-up. littlemanpoet's accusations were pretty far off the mark (tgwbs, Elf-Warrior, me) so I don't think anyone here thought he was the Seer. But is that all the wolves can do these days? Try to set-up an innocent? As clearly self-centred as this is coming from me, it doesn't seem so far-fetched. I really think the wolves are clueless as regards the Seer and that the best they can do with their kills is to cause confusion among the villagers. In the meantime this may be frustrating, but in the grand scheme of things this is brilliant news. The Seer is lasting a long time and has much information.

I am still pointing at Orominuialwen. She just has to be a wolf or the cobbler. Why not give her a go? She's our best bet at the moment, I say.

[mormegil]

I know this may sound wolfish but so be it. I am really beginning to fear for the safety of our seer. Yesterday when I said it I was fairly scared now it's a numbers game and it may come crashing down on us. There are 9 now living, 2 are wolves and one is the cobbler. My bet is that the wolves at least know who the cobbler is. So that means that they have only 6 now to choose from. And I'm assuming they have a good idea between 2 to 3 people.

We have had 5 nights and 5 dreams. I would hope that at least 3 of those dreams are of living. If that's the case then we know 4 of 9 innocent (counting the seer) or 1 or 2 wolves. I'm assuming that the seer doesn't know both wolves otherwise they would reveal themselves and be done with it.

Oh well I just wanted to put this down mainly for the seer to think about and decide what they want to do.

[The Only Real Estel]

Eomer, this is the problem I see with Oromin.

At the moment I am most concerned with Oromin & Lhuna, either one of those could be either a cobbler or a wolf. I think that Oromin is more likely to be the cobbler. morm's posts (#286 & #290) made a lot of sense. Oro could still be a wolf, but I think she is most likely the cobbler who, upon learning that she might not be able to finish out the game (I don't doubt her RL troubles), decided to make up some nightly conversation talk with her "fellow werewolves" & then accuses two people nearly at random (I think she accidentally pegged one correctly). If she is the cobbler than the best way to deal with her (at least for now) would be to simply put her in a box - disregard almost everthing she says, but not waste a precious lynching date with her.

I think that there is a good possibility that Lhuna is one of the remaining wolves, as Elf-Warrior suspected.

edit: another day, another cross-post

[Kath]

I on the other hand, am now more of the opinion that Oromin is indeed a wolf. I had thought that Elf-Warrior was a wolf and so didn't think that another wolf would put themselves up to save him but now that we know E-W was an innocent I think Oromin had a fabulous double-bluff going. Confuse us enough that we can't be sure whether she is a wolf or the Cobbler and hope that we go for our main suspect. I would look to lynching her today.

If she is indeed a wolf then the question remains as to who the last wolf is. Those left alive now are:
Encai
Eomer
Kath
Lhuna
mormegil
Oromin
Saurreg
The Only Real Estel
wilwa
One of these is the Seer, two are Shirriffs, one is a wolf and 4 are simply innocents. With the innocence of E-W now proven I think that wilwa too may be innnocent as previously I had thought that they were working together and this is now obviously not the case.

Now lmp also has been proven innocent and maybe we should look at his suspicions as he is usually a rather astute player. YesterDay he said that if E-W was innocent he would be inclined to suspect TORE and Eomer and I too have been worried about Eomer. His track record so far has not been great with the deaths of a good few innocents under his belt, including I believe our guardian. I realise many of us were guilty of her death but I recall him being the leader of the mob and he seemed almost too contrite after her death.

I am not sure who the wolves are but at the moment I would look to Oromin being lynched today.

[mormegil]

The more I think about I think I will vote for Oromin it will rid us of that confusion at least

++OROMIN

I think she may be a wolf but possibly the cobbler.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Kath:
With the innocence of E-W now proven I think that wilwa too may be innnocent as previously I had thought that they were working together and this is now obviously not the case.

I also thought they might've been working together, but I just want to remind everyone that it would be extremely easy for a wolf to 'go along' with an innocent in order to look innocent later. I am not extremely suspicious of Wilwa, but I think my point still bares keeping in mind.

Posted by Kath (about Eomer):
His track record so far has not been great with the deaths of a good few innocents under his belt, including I believe our guardian. I realise many of us were guilty of her death but I recall him being the leader of the mob and he seemed almost too contrite after her death.

Actually Eomer mentioned a suspicion of Oddwen & Kitanna, who we now know was a wolf, quickly jumped on that idea. I realize it might seem like I'm 'sticking up for Eomer' or whatever, but at this point in the, er...village, it's obviously vitally important to keep the innocent villagers around - & I am about 90% sure of Eomer's innocence.

By the way, don't forget about the Cursed Villager. The longer it takes to catch the wolves the better the chance they have of bolstering their ranks. Although at least we will know that 'no one was killed this night' means that there is another wolf, since our Guardian is dead.

[Kath]

Oh now I'd forgotten about the Cursed Villager. What exactly does that role entail? If he/she is lynched by the villagers will we be informed that they were the cursed villager or not? Also will they definitely at some point become a wolf or might they stay as a normal villager through the whole game?

[Firefoot]

Cursed Villager:The Cursed Villager doesn’t know that they are cursed. If the Cursed Villager is killed by Werewolves, the moderator will announce that nobody was killed. The Cursed Villager then becomes a Werewolf and is introduced to his/her new team mates. If the Cursed Villager is lynched, whether before or after transformation, their role will not be revealed.

[Orominuialwen]

I'm glad you've finally figured out that indeed it would be a good idea to lynch me. I find it so funny that despite the fact that I told you I was a wolf several DAYs ago, you still have left me alive. It indeed seems that I have done the thing which will make you least likely to ever lynch me. Never the less, I hope that perhaps toDAY you may manage to do what should have been done DAYs ago. Therefore:

++OROMIN

[mormegil]

I am becoming far more suspicious of Eomer and TORE though I've been wrong before and I was fairly convinced of E-w and was completely wrong on him :rolleyes: . I think LMP may have been right and Eomer could be trying to pull off a double bluff. I think I will be looking more closely in to this tomorrow. That's because I've voted today, but I'm waiting to see what happens to Oromin today and then I think we need to look more closely at those two. They have been far too smooth.

[The Only Real Estel]

I think I will be looking more closely in to this tomorrow

Great. Thanks. Unless you are a wolf you've just set me up for a perfect frameup. :rolleyes:

They have been far too smooth

There seems to be an unfortunate attitude in this game that if someone seems innocent he must be guilty. While that can be true sometimes there is usually some shred of irrefutable evidence that can be found. But suspicions will be suspicions, & I do not hold yours against you.

I hate decisions, I will most likely vote Lhuna or Oromin. I am thinking Lhuna but that is in no way, shape, or form settled & there is still much time before the voting needs to be done. I am curious, morm, why is it that you seem to find it necessary to vote so early? I don't want to be last every time, but if someone brings up something important (especially with this few villagers left) I like to know that I haven't casted an irretractable vote yet...

[mormegil]

I am so highly confused. I think I did make a mistake TORE in voting so ealry. I thought I was fairly convinced of Oromin's guilt though now I'm not as sure. I've been reading through some old posts and now I'm thinking that Wilwarin is actually guilty, unless somebody *coughshirrifcough* can vouch for her innocence. Why I say this is in two distinct posts Kitanna, a known wolf, said something very similar about Wilwarin. In post 102 and 218 she talks about others either their innocence or possible guilt and yet she says in both that Wilwarin deserves watching. After which she does nothing about it and only mentions her in passing. Now this could be innocent yet it seems more than suspicious to me.

Eomer is confusing me like mad. I read through most of his posts and I'm just not sure what to make of him. To have him as the wolf mastermind would make sense yet he went strongly after Kitanna. Of course, that could have been planned but I'm not sure.

Oromin I think is more than likely the cobbler and without anyone else who was overly suspicious at the time I voted for her. (Mainly due to RL problems and I was unsure that I'd be able to get on much after that time, I was wrong of course) But if I were to give it percentages I would say about 33% says guilty and 67% of me says she's innocent yet a cobbler.

Unsure of the others. I would retract my vote and vote for Wilwarin if I could, unless somebody vouches for her innocence.

[Lhunardawen]

But to Mordor with it! I am much too enraged, confused, and eager for wolf-lynchings to be bothered by the Moon's mischievousness.

A mocking laugh I offer to these lycans for desperately killing just any villager thinking he/she is the Seer. I thank thee all for not finding out who the real Seer is.

As for the Seer, have they not had enough dreams to help us in our predicament? I have feared for their life the past Night, and it is very fortunate that their identity has not yet been compromised. But what if these foul, hateful werewolves finally succeed in killing them toNight? Without a single dream being revealed? Then again, maybe the Seer has already revealed substantial information after all, but they have been too much enclosed in subtlety for us to make anything out of them.

Oromin is becoming more and more confuzzling. I was very much convinced that she is just the cobbler, for she made a mistake of choosing me to be her fellow werewolf. Possibly she deliberately did so to force me (and maybe wilwa) to vote for her, thus living out her role as a cobbler. But with these goings-on I am beginning to entertain the possibiity that she is indeed a werewolf, using what happened to Nilp as protection. Has the Seer not dreamt of her yet? But I think we should leave her be for now.

I should have done this Days ago:

++EOMER OF THE ROHIRRIM

[Lhunardawen]

Just to echo everyone else, please take a long, good look at The Only Real Estel. He might be more like one of the Nazgul than Aragorn after all - looks fair, feels foul.

And another thing, look at this:

She (Lhuna) accuses Eomer who I am probably the least worried about.

and this:

As for being suspicious of Estel, he is the only villager whose innocence I am very confident in (besides myself). What's he done to attract suspicion? :confused:

Decided in each other's innocence, eh?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You're right guys, Estel and I are defending each other. Do you want to know why? Because neither of us has done anything even remotely wolvish!

Estel has done nothing. That's not an insult to the good man or anything, I mean that he has been entirely unsuspicious and has done nothing to warrant confusion. I cannot for the life of me see why you are accusing him. Now I am fully aware that this support will probably administer a gigantic backlash against me but o well. Too bad. I don't think he's a wolf at all. If it makes others look bad I'll say this: Encaitare and wilwarin are innocent too. There, I did it; I defended two others. They must be wolves too!

Kath, you really made me laugh with this: "Eomer has the deaths of a good few innocents under his belt."

Let's check this out. I was pivotal in singling out Oddwen, yes. For that I do feel great shame. But I have not hidden from it, have I? As for who else I have attacked, let's see......o yes, Kitanna - the only known wolf! In what way is this having a good few deaths of innocents under my belt? The only other person I am attacking is Orominuialwen and that is so obviously the soundest idea that we have I cannot for the life of me understand why others have stalled on it.

Will I say it again?

Ok:

No innocent would act the way Oromin is acting. I think we can all agree that she is either the Cobbler or a Wolf. This is easily the most we have to go on at this DAY.

++OROMINUIALWEN

It just makes sense, and I'm glad to see that others are taking the advice.

And may I ask for some reasons as to why I am so suspicious? Because littlemanpoet suspected me? But....he was an ordinary villager who knew nothing.

Let's see just how pathetically wolf-Eomer would have played this game:

- He kills Feanor of the Peredhil after she admits that she wants me kept alive.

- He throws suspicion on littlemanpoet who had earlier said that he was fairly sure of Eomer's innocence, probably resulting in the backlash against me started by littlemanpoet.

- He is the second (I think) person to forcefully attack Kitanna, who turns out to be a wolf.

- He kills littlemanpoet who is almost definitely not the Seer (see his vote for Elf-Warrior)

There you have it.

Why are you suspecting me? What is it about me? (And please don't take a spirited defence as evidence of wolvishness.)

[Kath]

I'm sorry Eomer, I think I was making up random bits of history to try and explain to myself why I feel so suspicious of you. However, mormegil's last post has given me pause for thought. He says that had he not voted already he would now vote for wilwa, unless someone could vouch for her innocence. Now this seems to me rather odd as it is a rather thinly veiled request for the Seer to announce themselves and their dreams. At the moment I would guess that the Seer does not know who the wolves are or they would have revealed themselves for the good of the village (or at least I hope they would). Now since morm has already voted and cannot change his vote, and no one else seems the slightest bit suspicious of wilwa, this to me is an odd request.

My vote toDay goes to
++Orominuialwen

but I think mormegil should be looked at more closely over the course of the day.

[wilwarin538]

Well I'm going on vacation with my family later today so I don't think I'll get the chance to vote later.

++Orominuialwen

I will be missing from the entire Day 6 and the early part of Day 7. Try not to miss me to much. :p ;)

[Saurreg]

Me haf been rreading dah posts und quite frrankly, me iz stumped.

I haf not much hope in all dah arguments und accusations put forth, dah wulves are wily, yes they are...

I can only hope dah seer dreams of the two wulves und exposes 'em soon or we be doom.

Dat said Oro iz going to hang, but me haf me doubts about 'er being a mangy feral.

++Wilwarin

D'ere! Me made my choice cuz seeh be most sus'pis in me eyes.

[mormegil]

I'm sorry Eomer, I think I was making up random bits of history to try and explain to myself why I feel so suspicious of you. However, mormegil's last post has given me pause for thought. He says that had he not voted already he would now vote for wilwa, unless someone could vouch for her innocence. Now this seems to me rather odd as it is a rather thinly veiled request for the Seer to announce themselves and their dreams. At the moment I would guess that the Seer does not know who the wolves are or they would have revealed themselves for the good of the village (or at least I hope they would). Now since morm has already voted and cannot change his vote, and no one else seems the slightest bit suspicious of wilwa, this to me is an odd request.

A couple of things Kath in my defense.

I have been suspicious of Wilwarin in the past but essentially was told that she might be a shirriff. I showed decent, not great, but decent evidence that there's a chance she could be the wolf. I was hoping that, if she were the shirriff, somebody such as her fellow shirriff would vouch for her innocence but not her identity. Let's face it the shirriff's are no good to us until one is dead and we know who the other is. At least we would have one known innocent.

Second, I have not been so veiled in my hope that the seer would reveal him/herself. I have been worried about their safety and hate to think what it would mean if they have not told us much of anything and they die. 5 nights of dreams would potentially go wasted. The problem the seer has is if they are subtle in attempts the wolves have the easiest time picking it out and if he/she announces herself we all pick her out but he/she will be dead tomorrow. No Kath I'm an idiot and can't seem to nail a wolf but I'm no wolf myself. Although if I were at least I'd be able to kill some albeit without my axe but that's about rusted anyway :rolleyes:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So you think the Seer should reveal him/herself? I could only possibly maybe possibly sort-of go along with this if he/she knows one wolf for definite.

But then, I'm pretty sure I know who the Seer is anyway, so I'm not too bothered. :p

[The Only Real Estel]

I'm thinking that Wilwarin is actually guilty, unless somebody *coughshirrifcough* can vouch for her innocence.

The problem with this is that they can't vouch for eachother's innocence beyond a certain point. We all know they can't actually reveal themselves, but I don't think they're allowed to say so much that they basically reveal themselves either.

Decided in each other's innocence, eh?

'Twould be a bungling pair of wolves indeed to do that, & a far too daring pair that would try to bluff by doing that.

You know, I just thought of something. There is an extremely off chance that Oromin is a sherrif. I know that sounds wierd, but think about it. There's a good chance that the wolves know who the sherrifs are. If that is the case then they wouldn't kill them at night & they wouldn't allow attention to be centered on them during the day - once one sherrif is dead the other could really hurt them. This could get very irritating for a pair of sherrifs that are just itching to reveal themselves; so if I was the other sherrif & I knew that Oromin would most likely have to back out later anyway...I would encourage her to get herself lynched so that I could reveal myself.

Admittedly, that is a stretch, but if it is true than we should either lynch Oro now, knowing that it would actually help us; or keep her around as long as possible, knowing that she's innocent. But like I said, that's a pretty big stretch.

I still think Lhuna is more likely to be the wolf & Oro an ignorable cobbler; but I can see it won't make much of a difference who I vote for. Should I then vote bandwagon on Oro, knowing that she is most likely a cobbler or a wolf (with the off chance of her being a sherrif, I suppose), but finding it more likely that she's a cobbler who could be ignored instead of lynched? I have no idea right now...though I suppose if she is a wolf I will be suspected for 'defending' her with that bit. :rolleyes:

I'd better smoke a bit to clear my head & blacken my lungs. :p

[mormegil]

So you think the Seer should reveal him/herself? I could only possibly maybe possibly sort-of go along with this if he/she knows one wolf for definite.

But then, I'm pretty sure I know who the Seer is anyway, so I'm not too bothered. :p

I wholly agree and have said something very similar before. I'm just very worried that they may die soon. The choice tonight for the wolves will be out of 5 or 6 depending on who we kill today.

[Firefoot]

The Day had not afforded much discussion, but the villagers were fairly set that Oromin was a wolf. And if she wasn’t, they’d be eliminating just that much more confusion from the town.

“So you will be taking my advice,” commented Oromin, a hint of amusement in her voice. “It’s about time.”

As in Days past, the jostling mob harried and herded Oromin up towards the gallows. One villager declared, “It’s all fixed up now. This hanging should go without a hitch.” There were some who had doubts, though – and they were right.

With confidence now, a few villagers stepped up to tie the noose around Oromin’s neck. Just barely had the rope settled around her shoulders before Oromin started to undergo a frightening transformation – deepened chest; stronger, more muscled legs, broadened snout, and thick grey hair all over her body. Without having the chance to tie the knot, the villagers still standing near leapt away from the beast now tenuously attached to their defective gallows.

The wolf Oromin lunged about on her leash, first outward towards the crowd, then back, bracing herself against the long arm of the gallows before jumping out again.

“She’s going to hang herself,” muttered one villager in mild relief. But as some villagers noted, the beating the gallows was getting from Oromin’s furious attacks was causing it to start rocking with Oromin’s lunges. With one last shove from Oromin’s furry legs, the rope around her neck broke and the gallows toppled over – by some strange chance of fortune, trapping Oromin underneath with the top beam of the gallows across her chest.

Oromin writhed and scrabbled at the heavy gallows trapping her in place. No one would venture near, for fear of being bitten, scratched, or otherwise harmed. One villager had an idea, though and climbed up on top of the long beam, well away from Oromin’s furious attacks.

“Crush the wolf!” he cried. The villagers quickly understood and with their combined weight weighing down on Oromin’s torso, her ribs soon cracked and her organs were crushed, killing her within seconds, and none too soon: not meant to hold so much weight, the wooden beam cracked. Their gallows was now overturned and broken beyond repair (not that it had ever worked anyway); they would need to find a new means of lynching their suspects.

The villagers returned to their homes in relative satisfaction at having caught a wolf, feeling confident that they could catch the last wolf tomorrow and be done with it. After their latest victory, anything seemed possible.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Encai
Eomer
Kath
Lhuna
Mormegil
Saurreg
TORE
Wilwarin

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3
Dancing Spawn (Ordinary Villager) – Twisted like a pretzel and stuffed in a closet by werewolves on Night 4
Elf-Warrior (Ordinary Villager) – Stabbed through with knives by villagers on Day 4
LMP (Ordinary Villager) – Suffocated by werewolves on Night 5
Oromin (Werewolf) – Crushed under gallows by villagers on Day 5

Score:

Werewolves – 1
Villagers – 7

It is now Night 6. I need names from the Seer and remaining Wolf. Shirriffs should stop PM'ing. Night will end in 24 hours.

[Firefoot]

A red sun rose, heralding the dawn and the start of a new Day. A great many villagers would have preferred simply to stay in bed and leave the werewolf problem to work itself out… but, of course, this was not an option and the villagers reluctantly trudged out to the square for the morning head count, which revealed that they had once more lost once of their numbers during the night: Kath was conspicuously absent.

With a tingling of dread, the villagers traipsed off to Kath’s simple cottage. The door was opened, so the villagers went right on in where they were met by a gory sight. Kath’s body lay in a heap on the floor, her head face down. The back of her head was a gory mess… in fact, where was the back of her head? Apparently, Kath had been scalped!

One of the villagers tried to take a step forward for a closer look and tripped. The villagers didn’t see what but realized that it must have been a some kind of wire or string because at the same moment the villager tripped, Kath’s body sprung up as if alive, hanging from the ceiling. For a few instants, her eyeless face gazed eerily out at them before the villager who had tripped hastily untangled his foot from the tripwire and Kath’s body fell once more to the floor with a whump.

What was more, the remaining wolf had been excessively eager with the scalping, taking out the back of Kath’s skull – so that when Kath’s body once more crumpled to the ground, her brains began to spill out at impact. The villagers hastily averted their eyes at this gruesome sight.

Looking straight ahead, the villagers could see the mantelpiece, which they realized had been swiped clear of all its contents. Only three items remained: Kath’s scalp and her eyeballs. Kath’s Seeing eyes saw no more, and what was more: it seemed that any information she had gleaned on the villagers had been cast into the fireplace and burned. Nothing concrete had been left for them to follow up on.

“Dead men tell no tales,” mumbled someone.

Sickened by the sight of Kath’s body and having seen all they needed to know, the villagers hastened back outside, wondering who among them had committed this gruesome act.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Encai
Eomer
Lhuna
Mormegil
Saurreg
TORE
Wilwarin

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3
Dancing Spawn (Ordinary Villager) – Twisted like a pretzel and stuffed in a closet by werewolves on Night 4
Elf-Warrior (Ordinary Villager) – Stabbed through with knives by villagers on Day 4
LMP (Ordinary Villager) – Suffocated by werewolves on Night 5
Oromin (Werewolf) – Crushed under gallows by villagers on Day 5
Kath (Seer) – Scalped with eyeballs ripped out by werewolves on Night 6

Score:

Werewolves – 1
Villagers – 6

It is now Day 6. Shirriffs may start PM’ing. Day will end in 24 hours.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, it took them a while but they got there in the end. It is highly unfortunate that Kath was never the explicit sort, always with the maybes and whatnots. We must review what she had to tell us very carefully indeed.

One thing I'd like to add for now is this: I think Lhuna is the cobbler. She is all over me like the plague yet, as I hopefully made very clear yesterday (and which has surely been made crystal clear by Oromin's revealed secret (by the way - told you it was a good idea! :p )) I have not been acting in a wolvish manner whatsoever.

This leads me to believe that she is the cobbler and is trying to help the wolves, because no-one else is acting cobblerish as far as I can see. But I am more than prepared to lynch her today to put the worry beyond doubt. What say you villagers?

I'm off to study the words of our late Seer.

[Saurreg]

Yer Gawds! Our seer iz dead und seeh hasn't rrevealed anythung yet!

Or has seeh?

but I think mormegil should be looked at more closely over the course of the day

D'ish iz dah only linky dah lass leif before dah blasted wulf scalped 'er und took out 'er eyeballs. Was it just und educated deduction? Or was it 'er way of telli' us somethung abou' ou' over eager, bloodthirsty axe-schwirm Morm.

So far dah execu'or has not rrevealed anything to kast sus'pis on 'imself. But now me haf me doubts. Dah man has pointed his grimmy fingers at almost everybo' in dis'h village but never chased after wif an iron will like me to Wilwarin. Ie seemed to be pokng 'ere und there, stirring dah pot this way und that but once someone becomes prime beef, he almost immediately stops what 'e was going after und jumped on dah bandwagon.

So me bite dah arrow head wif mah teeth und kast me vote wif dah hope dat the dead lass was rite:

++mormegil

Dah execu'or must go! Join me me fellow villagers.

[mormegil]

Saurreg I believe you are forgetting that I was the person who went most avidly against Durelin. I was wrong of course and I rue that decision. However the problem is that Kath did not give anything definitive the very thing I was fearing. I hope our investigation into what she said turns up something. But this is exactly why I thought she should reveal herself. I began suspecting that Kath was our seer two days ago and attempted to subtley follow her lead, which you can see if you look closely into it.

I'm highly surprised at how quick Saurreg is to want to kill me and he accuses me of being blood thirsty. If the village decides to kill me I will accept my fate but you will be killing an innocent.

The reason I believe Kath pointed a little bit towards me is because she may have dreampt of both Oromin and Wilwarin and seeing my slight change of heart thought that I may be a wolf. If this is the case that would make Wilwarin innocent. This would mean she hadn't dreampt of me yet and would have done so last night. One other possibility is that she had dreampt of me and knew me to be innocent but wanted to try and throw the wolves off her trail by accusing an innocent while she search for the wolf at night. These are my guesses though I will be reviewing what Kath said more closely unlike Saurreg. :rolleyes:

[The Only Real Estel]

Dah execu'or must go! Join me me fellow villagers.

I'm not about to at this time of day. With 23 hours & 48 minutes left, Saurreg casts a vote. Interesting, indeed. Now your logic, you may have a point there. But still, like Eomer said, Kath didn't do a whole lot of straight talking - even your refrence there to Mormegil is an "I think".

I am inclined to think that Mormegil is innocent, despite his half-suspicions of me. I am inclined to think that Enca & Wilwa stand good chances of being sheriffs (<---hey, I finally figured out how to spell it! :D); unless Enca is a wolf trying to bind herself to Wilwa, but I find that doubtful. I am inclined to believe that Eomer is innocent. I am certainly inclined to believe that I am innocent. I am inclined to believe that Lhuna is either a cobbler (likely) or a wolf running a bold bluff the way she has. I wouldn't mind finding out, though. I am inclined to believe I don't know what to make of Saurreg, but I don't like casting votes twelve minutes into the DAY.

Therefore my suspect list (which Morm is usually fond of :p) is:

1.Lhuna
2.Saurreg
3.Wilwarin (a distant third)
4.Enca
5.(tied)Mormegil & Eomer
6.TORE

edit: cross-posted with Mormegil & am now further convinced of his innocence because of the reasonable defense he gave of himself.

[Saurreg]

Und what of dah time when i became yer first sus'pis in dah first place? Without proof nor sound rreason? Didcha stop to think carefully when yer pointed dah finger at me. I think yer did. ;)

Me asked those dat suspected me to state thier rreasons why. Fea never got dah chance cuz she was lynched und d spawn later admited seh did so in jes'. But yer never responded und lo! What do me eyes see, yer brand me an innocent one so after. Very fickle no?

Besides dat, how about yer tiered lis' of furst rank und second rank und therefore suspects? All complied in dah first couple of days when no one else around had any inking about what to do becuz there were too many of us[/b]. How could yer haf been so sur'd when everybo' around was busy waiting to read other's posts. All of cuz except Fea - but she was egoistic, loudmouthed und at dah end innocent.

By dah might be a catch which may be linked to Fea's death - of dah 'emfamous observation by dah late Fea about you, Kitanna und Eomer being wulves cuz they both jumped to yer defence? Eomer gave a plausible rreason why 'e did so und dat took my sus'pisons of 'im but kitanna was shifty und she never rreally answered to dah accusation und she was found to be a wulf.

Und dah on dah second day, yer immediately tried to kast doubt un our dear seer, dah sweet lass Kath. No one agreed cuz it was too far-fetch und all who read nev'r found anythung strange about Kath's words but yer. So yer little twirl went on unnoticed until Kitana came trotting by und pointed out again without not too korrectly dat some village "heat" was on Kath which was not true cuz no one else really suspected dah lash - except yer.

So whatcha had been doing was stirring dah pot trying to play unto ur fears und hopefully mislead us into voting wildly und in konfusion.

Edit: Cross-posted with TORE.

[mormegil]

You are correct Saurreg I do question a lot of people and suspect many especially early on when we have nothing to go on. So my attempt is to gauge reactions to what I say. I find that much better than sitting quietly around hoping to guess. I see no reason to think I'm a wolf because I have thought others suspicious. I feel that weather or not I actual pin down a wolf I contribute greatly by stirring the pot, so to speak.

[Saurreg]

But dah prob iz dat once yer got yer rreaction, yer never followed up. When dah crowd moved in another direction, yer threw away dah fish yer caught und rushed on over. Dat's another thing I find trroubling.

Und also wot of those bold "me-suspect' lists? Yer dah only one in dah village who does so frequently. If could be yer very confident (but dah record shows underwis'h) of your think'in or most prob, dis'h is yer shield, a very powerful way of puttin' others on dah defensive to clear their names before yer, lest others suspect also. Rremember what deh always say - dah best defence is und offense. Wot better way to distance yerself from sus'pis then to krreate sus'pis on others.

I haf double checked me klaims on how Kitanna supported yer sus'pis on Kath und me stand by dah statement. No one except for dah foolish lad Elf-warrior (who voted for 'imself even though innocent) approved but he was a young lad, easily influenced.

[mormegil]

I am finished in my defense and will let what I have said speak for itself. I will focus my attention and energy on catching a wolf. We know that there are only 2 shirriffs left and one wolf. Meaning the only one with any sure knowledge is the wolf. I will go and do some back reading to see if I can find anything out because there is no use in arguing to naseum my innocence being that Saurreg already voted for me.

[mormegil]

In reading all of Kath's post I think we can say only one thing for certain and that is Wilwarin is innocent. Early on Kath voiced much suspicion on Wilwa and actually wanted her lynched immediately after Kitanna but by the end in Post 315 she almost unequivocally stated that Wilwa is innocent.

One more item on my defense that I noticed in rereading Kath is notice on Day 3 that's where I began to know she was the seer and see how I begin to echo her and attempt to take charge so as to save her from the wolves. When I was asking the seer to come forward I was asking Kath and I read her response and asked again the next day. She told us also in that post 315 that she didn't know who the wolves are otherwise she would tell us, but then to keep apperances up she says she thinks I should be watched. A good attempt to aver the attention of the wolf however it didn't work. Now this doesn't scream that I'm innocent but I think we can imply that I am based on what Kath said. She used me, knowing I'm innocent, to show the wolf that she didn't know what was going on thus not the seer.

I am thinking of either Lhuna or Saurreg. Lhuna because of what has been discussed in length up til now and Saurreg because of his vehemence against me and his earlier reactions when I accused him. He goes off wildly when anybody accuses him.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Unfortunately for us, Kath didn't really pick the best people to dream about (not that I mean to insult the dead or anything :p ;) ). There are two in particular that I am puzzling over at the moment. And now that they are locking horns it seems plausible that one of them will be dead come nightfall (that tends to be how these situations go, isn't it? :rolleyes: )

I'd much rather kill Lhunardawen. I think she's probably the cobbler but I'd like to make sure. She's certainly more explicitly suspicious than Morm or Saurreg. Do away with her first!

But....I can afford to hold my vote. I may need it before the day is over.

[The Only Real Estel]

But....I can afford to hold my vote. I may need it before the day is over

I second that. I really have never seen the point in voting real early...the night before would be the max for me. I know it can look suspicious to be the last person to vote but I'm equally suspicious of those that cast votes without hearing any arguments.

That said, I am still more suspicious of Lhuna than Saurreg. I've been suspicious of that Lhunatic for quite awhile & that's probably the way I'm going to vote.

[mormegil]

TORE
Eomer
Mormegil
Saurreg


Wilwarin
Lhuna
Encai

These are our remaining villagers. The bottom group has yet spoken at all today. I would like to hear from them fairly soon.

Right now I feel confident about Wilwarin's innocence.
Encai I'm feel pretty good about her.
TORE and Eomer almost from the beginning. I have thought them innocent though they have played in a way that I could see a very wolf acting. I will not expound on that now because I do not believe that they are wolves but could be. I say this because I believe both of them capable of being that clever.
Lhuna could be a wolf but now that Oromin is dead and a wolf I'm more convinced that she's the cobbler, reason being is that I can't picture the wolves agreeing to have both people do that similar of a strategy and if she's not the cobbler then who is?
That leaves Saurreg he's been on and off my suspicion list but came flying up to the top today with his vehemence towards me. I guess mainly he's at my top by default. I don't suspect the others enough with the possible exception of Lhuna so if I were to decide who to lynch in order I would have to say

Saurreg
Lhuna
Eomer
Encai
TORE
Wilwarin

[Saurreg]

He goes off wildly when anybody accuses him.

If dis'h ol' foggy had gone off wildy, yer would haf expected to see pages of rant from me against yer under others who simply included me in 'eir post. So where's dat.

I post me thoughts base on the posts available und you came back with nothing to yer defence but personal attacks? Now dat's somethung worth reading into more. ;)

EDIT: Me sees yer resorting to dah ol' tricks of putting up yer most sus'pis list again. If dat be yer way of putting me on guard und directing dah rest of the villagers at me, me wun be fuzzed.

[Encaitare]

Here's a list of all of Kath's posts and what they contained.

DAY 1

#16 - No accusations or defenses.
#19 - "No gifted villager can really hint at their role until at least one wolf is dead."
#23 - Says she was actually just thinking of the Shirriffs when she wrote the above quote.
#46 - Asks for clarification regarding the role of the cobbler.
#68 - Suspects TGWBS because he is "far too keen to lynch people".
#70 - Says TGWBS accuses without reason.

Does not vote.

DAY 2

#152 - Attributes her lack of vote to RL problems and not being able to get on the computer in time.
#168 - Long post. Can't believe people thought Nilp was a wolf because "his act was just too obvious." Thinks Kitanna voted for Nilp out of the fear that if he really was a wolf, suspicion would be cast on her. Says she will closely watch Encai and make a decision later. Thinks innocent: Mormegil, Wilwa, Dancing Spawn, Eomer. Neutral/unsure about: Oddwen, TGWBS, Kitanna, Saurreg, Encai, TE-W, LMP, TORE. Suspicious of: Durelin, Oromin, Lhuna. Thinks that Lhuna's howling and odd behavior might be a way to hide in the open.
#200 - Mentions suspicions of Oddwen, Durelin, TGWBS, and TE-W. Votes for Durelin.

DAY 3

#217 - Says if Oromin were indeed the cobbler, we should not lynch her; suggests she might be a wolf in disguise. Is suspicious of Wilwa, Kitanna, and TE-W.
#219 - Asks Kitanna to clarify theory regarding TE-W.
#221 - Reiterates suspicion of Kitanna and TE-W.
#226 - Says she "sincerely believe[s]" Kitanna is a wolf and Oromin most likely the cobbler. Thinks only one of the two Oromin named (Wilwa and Lhuna) is a wolf. Is now unsure regarding TE-W.
#236 - Creates plan to lynch, in order, Kitanna, Wilwa, and TE-W. Says if one of them is innocent, Oromin should then be lynched.
#240 - Disagrees with Kitanna that Oromin's absence will hurt the game.
#243 - Says she would not mind changing the lynch order to Kitanna, TE-W, Wilwa. Wants everyone to agree on a plan.
#259 - Says TE-W is placing blame on her to avoid getting lynched himself. Votes for Kitanna.

DAY 4

#283 - Is apprehensive towards the idea of the Seer revealing him/herself. Says TE-W should be suspected before Oromin.
#299 - Wants a double-lynching of TE-W and Oromin. Urges TE-W, Oromin, and Wilwa to vote for Oromin to make this possible. Votes for Oromin.

DAY 5

#315 - Wants to lynch Oromin. Is no longer suspicious of Wilwa. Is "worried" about Eomer.
#318 - Asks about the role of the Cursed Villager.
#327 - "At the moment I would guess that the Seer does not know who the wolves are or they would have revealed themselves for the good of the village." Is suspicious of Morm. Votes for Oromin.

-------------------------------------------------

So what does all this mean? Who might she have dreamed about? The first DAY she makes nothing clear to us. It would seem that she was suspicious of TGWBS, but we know he was innocent. From her posts on DAY 2, she suspects Oddwen, Durelin, TGWBS, and TE-W. All of these were innocent. DAY 3, votes for Kitanna. She may have dreamt about her. I think she dreamt about Oromin as well, since she very much wanted her dead. Also, I think she might have dreamt about me, since she said she was going to watch me closely.

I don't really know who to suspect. The remaining wolf is playing it very close to the vest -- and let's not forget about the Cursed Villager! Vote wisely, O Lovelanders, lest we release another wolf among us!

[mormegil]

I've given it a lot of thought and I'm not convinced of Saurreg's guilt. I truly believe Lhuna is the cobbler so, in my eyes, the most suspicious is Saurreg. The problem I have with this is a single wolf at this stage wouldn't be acting this way. Because if he was successful in lynching me and he kills one more tonight he will be killed in the day and the village wins. I think, now, that he may simply be a misguided innocent.

If that's the case do I want to lynch Eomer? I don't know. Does anybody else have any feelings or ideas on this?

Also we have yet to hear from Wilwa and Lhuna. I would like to hear from Wilwa because I believe her innocent and therefore has a more valueable opinion than the others.

I think I will see about rereading Eomer and seeing what I can find.

[mormegil]

Okay I've now reread all of Eomer's post and I think him to be either completely innocent or the greatest double bluffing wolf of all time. For Eomer to be a wolf he would have had to had Kitanna and Oromin agree that he can lead the charge in lynching them and that's a major piece that's holding me back from him.

I'll wait till morning but I may vote Saurreg.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh dear...I knew it! I knew Kath was the Seer! And alas *hic* it is as I thought it would *hic* be - she died without so much as explicitly *hic* revealing *hic* something substantial *hic*. What shall *hic* happen to Loveland *hic* now?

To be honest, I was so surprised to find that Oromin was indeed a werewolf *hic*. I was very confident that she was merely *hic* the cobbler *hic* playing *hic* her role *hic* the way it is supposed to be played *hic*. Whatever her idea was in getting herself *hic* lynched *hic* like *hic* that, I sure am glad *hic* she cannot terrorize the village *hic* any longer *hic*.

That brings me to believe *hic* that she might have had an agreement with her fellow lycan *hic* to lynch *hic* her so as to throw the trail *hic* off the remaining wolf *hic*. With that said, I suggest we look *hic* very closely *hic* at those who were so eager to get her lynched *hic*.

But I am more than prepared to lynch her today to put the worry beyond doubt.
Therefore my suspect list is:

1. Lhuna
I'd much rather kill Lhunardawen. I think she's probably the cobbler but I'd like to make sure. She's certainly more explicitly suspicious than Morm or Saurreg. Do away with her first!
That said, I am still more suspicious of Lhuna than Saurreg. I've been suspicious of that Lhunatic for quite awhile & that's probably the way I'm going to vote.

I am almost *hic* inclined *hic* to think both of you are werewolves *hic*, but of course that is impossible *hic*. Maybe one of you is the real *hic* werewolf *hic*, and he could *hic* be guffawing so hard right now because the other one fell *hic* for his feigned innocence. Who is who, I have no idea.

I do not know to what extent I have to convince you that I am as ordinary as ordinary can be. If you see it fitting to lynch *hic* me, have it your way. But I tell *hic* you, if you do, all *hic* of you will *hic* be buried in guilt *hic* and shame - save one, who will *hic* merely *hic* pretend to do so but deep inside is laughing *hic* its heart out at your gullibility *hic*.

*gasps*

I want you all *hic* to take a good, long *hic* look *hic* at this: Also, I think she might have dreamt about me, since she said she was going to watch me closely. A Freudian slip *hic*, eh?

I cannot delay *hic* any longer *hic*, but I will *hic* take a few minutes to think about my (possibly *hic*) last *hic* vote. Needless *hic* to say, I am choosing among Eomer, Estel *hic*, and Enca, the last *hic* just because of that suspicious statement.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh...my pounding head...

Okay I've now reread all of Eomer's post and I think him to be either completely innocent or the greatest double bluffing wolf of all time. For Eomer to be a wolf he would have had to had Kitanna and Oromin agree that he can lead the charge in lynching them and that's a major piece that's holding me back from him. If there is anyone who could pull *hic* that off, it is Eomer.

And, take a look *hic* at this:
Kath, you really made me laugh with this: "Eomer has the deaths of a good few innocents under his belt." Seems to me the Seer was not very subtle *hic* after all *hic*.

++EOMER OF THE ROHIRRIM

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Something you failed to mention Enca?

#327 - Kath admits that her suspicions of Eomer have no basis.

This seems to clear me from Lhuna's later accusations. She says that maybe the Seer wasn't so subtle; maybe she did catch wolf-Eomer! Well, if she did then why did she retract her suspicions of me? I believe the suspicion and the retraction happened in the same day. I doubt that Kath had the opportunity to dream about me and for that I curse the Wolf's timing; if he/she had left it another day then I'm sure Kath would have dreamt of me and I would have been cleared.

It's pretty obvious that Kath did not dream about me, because that information would contradict her flip-flopping over me on the same day.

Lhunardawen is being ridiculous. Her accusations against me make little sense. Of course (and this goes for Mormegil as well) I could be a stunningly awesome wolf by helping to kill my fellow wolves, but don't any of you (especially Lhuna) think that that's stretching things just a little bit?

I'll say it again because apparently amazingly good evidence counts for little in Loveland:

-I was one of the first to forcefully attack Kitanna.

-I was the one who pointed out again and again that the clever option was to kill Oromin (and lo and behold! it turned out to be a good idea)

-I attacked those who supported me (Fea, lmp), suicide for a wolf.

What is so hard about this? Why can't you see? I am clearly not a wolf. Stop voting for me.

Right now, I am suspicious of Morm, Saurreg, Lhuna, maybe even Estel and Enca. I'm fairly certain of wilwarin's innocence. As of right now, I have no idea where my vote is going.

[Saurreg]

Dear laddie, how in loveland can yer suspect me after all dat me posted?

I would like to hear from yer too. ;)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Actually, Saurreg is right to question. I think I posted my suspicion list in a careless manner. I should never have bothered with a list; I don't even like them.

Saurreg has done nothing to make me suspicious of him

Likewise, Enca is probably innocent. I just spoke against her because of her comprehensive, yet still selective, collection of Kath's musings, which seemed pretty unfair to me.

It's Mormegil after Lhuna for me. To him it must be quite scary but to me Saurreg's reasoning seems fair. I was worried by Morm's rather arbitrary suspicion lists earlier on in the thread. Now that I think about it, TORE is a big fan of these lists too...

But Mormegil's 'stirring of the pot' (as Saurreg put it) has been evident, wolvish or no, and his suspicion of me has, like I say, no basis whatsoever. Because I am sure that Lhuna is the cobbler, I am leaning toward voting for Mormegil. But I can wait.

[The Only Real Estel]

I was worried by Morm's rather arbitrary suspicion lists earlier on in the thread. Now that I think about it, TORE is a big fan of these lists too...

Not really. When lmp accused me of being too "wide-ranging" in my suspicions I've tried to clarify them - mostly in that one post with that one list.

More later.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

A quick question: Who are the Cobbler suspects? As far as I can see, there is only Lhunardawen.

Of course, this is terribly biased. I am basing this on my own innocence and what I believe has been a lucid, coherent defence, yet she still persists in attacking me. She's trying to draw attention away from the wolves (now wolf). She's being very proactive, whereas I think the remaining wolf is keeping much quieter.

That's why I'm now reluctant to lynch her.

By the way, am I assuming too much with Enca and wilwa? That about which they cannot yet speak? I think we need some reassurance here.

[Encaitare]

A Freudian slip *hic*, eh?

No. A statement.

Something you failed to mention Enca?

I just spoke against her because of her comprehensive, yet still selective, collection of Kath's musings, which seemed pretty unfair to me.

I apologize. I was not trying to tip the scales, but merely to quickly summarize. I hope I did not miss anything else!

This will have to be my last post for toDay, so I shall vote

++mormegil

because he was who Kath suspected just before her death.

(By the way, I believe Wilwa said she'd be away for a few days, so that's why we have not heard from her.)

[mormegil]

If I die I think you ought to look closely at those who want me dead. Right now I am most convinced of Saurreg's guilt possibly Eomer but I feel the Lhuna is definately the cobbler.

[The Only Real Estel]

I'd much rather kill Lhunardawen. I think she's probably the cobbler but I'd like to make sure. She's certainly more explicitly suspicious than Morm or Saurreg. Do away with her first!

I'd say there's a 90% chance that Lhuna will be the recipient of my vote, but I want to hold it until 11 or so, central time. Although I now see that this DAY started at 11:15 central time instead of noon, so I'm guessing the DAY will also end at 11:15? In that case I would probably vote a little before eleven, but I'm hoping for some clarification here.

A quick question: Who are the Cobbler suspects? As far as I can see, there is only Lhunardawen.

Lhuna is the most obvious choice but there could be a cobbler hiding among us hoping to make his/her vote count in the last DAY. If that is the case & we kill a wolf today I think whoever the cobbler is would've done a poor job of fulfilling the role. If we can't get a wolf for a day or two than the cobbler suddenly becomes quite important & will have suceeded.

This is why I say lynch Lhuna. She could be the wolf hoping to hide behind suspicious actions & a "don't make the same mistake you did with Nilp" type of defense. She could be the cobbler, in which case we would still win by getting rid of her before she becomes important.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I might be on later, might not be. Can't risk it so I'd better vote now.

++MORMEGIL

He's pretty suspicious in my eyes. Kath was suspicious of him so here's hoping she was a good judge. I must admit that I am motivated by selfish reasons as well. There is a vote for me and there might be more coming. I suspect Morm much more than I suspect myself. Saurreg's reasoning seems pretty worthy of testing.

By the way Morm, if you think Lhuna is the Cobbler then why are you suspecting me? The Cobbler is meant to accuse whom he/she suspects to be innocent. Is Morm getting mixed up here? I think so.

[The Only Real Estel]

Oh heck, I see no reason to hold my vote longer. I am more than reasonably sure that Lhuna is either a wolf or the cobbler, making this a win-win for the village.

++ Lhuna

edit: cross-posted with Eomer

edit2: 2000th post & it comes in a WW 'village', how fitting :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Just saw Estel's post and I have to say he makes a lot of sense.

(More agreement between the two of us? We're obviously both wolves...)

There is more support for lynching Morm today. I certainly suggest that the village lynches Lhuna tomorrow.

[The Only Real Estel]

By the way, Eomer, I think you're last point about the cobbler isn't entirely correct. I would expect the cobbler to defend an innocent or attack a wolf in such a way that if the cobbler is lynched & discovered the village might lynch the innocent for a wolf or defend the wolf for an innocent. Hope that makes sense, it did before I tried to express it. :D

edit: cross-posting AGAIN, I suppose it's some sort of requirement that I have to cross-post with somebody...

edit2: since wilwa will probably not be able to vote (by her own admission) & double-lynchings are discouraged anyway I imagine the day will probably be cut short soon?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hmm, it's tricky, isn't it?

So are you saying there is no obvious Cobbler behaviour? I don't think the Cobbler would be too keen on a potential bluff. I don't think the Cobbler would want to throw suspicion on someone he/she genuinely thought was a wolf, because chances are the village would go along with the Cobbler's theory. And there you have it, there's a dead wolf. Is there a difference between wolvish bluffing and cobbler bluffing?

[The Only Real Estel]

Hmm, it's tricky, isn't it?

So are you saying there is no obvious Cobbler behaviour? I don't think the Cobbler would be too keen on a potential bluff. I don't think the Cobbler would want to throw suspicion on someone he/she genuinely thought was a wolf, because chances are the village would go along with the Cobbler's theory. And there you have it, there's a dead wolf. Is there a difference between wolvish bluffing and cobbler bluffing?

Well, I began the, er...village looking for explicit confusing behavior from the Cobbler but have begun to wonder the last two DAYS or so if the Cobby might be going for a subtle approach - hoping to stay more under the radar until the final DAY & then flare up & guarantee a sure wolf victory? That would be a daring plan, but if Lhuna isn't the Cobbler (which I still suspect that she is) then I think that's what the Cobbler must be going for. You're probably right that the cobbler would try to steer clear of the wolves entirely, but I wouldn't put it past him/her to defend several innocents in the hopes that they get suspected for wolves when the Cobbler is dead. So if Lhuna is the Cobbler we have to be careful with who we are suspicious of.

[mormegil]

Well I have another theory and it seems that TORE is thinking along the same lines. Saurreg could be the cobbler, hence his behavior right now. I currently think that either Saurreg or Lhuna is the cobbler and either Eomer and Saurreg is the wolf.

++Eomer


I hope I am not wrong in this and tomorrow after I die you can kill him. For I promise you will see that I am innocent and will rue your vote against me.

[Firefoot]

Sorry, all, I see there was some questioning about when the Day was actually ending - I just got back from being out all morning. I'll keep it to the 24 hours, so Day is officially done. Morm's death coming soon.

Edit: This Night could be much shortened since there is so little that needs to happen. Do you want the break of 24 hours? Or should I just post the death as soon as I get it from our wolf? It doesn't matter to me.

[Firefoot]

Gone was the sureness of the villagers; they were to lynch Mormegil, but was he really a wolf? They’d find out soon…

As the villagers led him to the village square, they recalled their other problem: they no longer had a gallows. Some other means would need to be found to lynch Mormegil.

“Burn him at the stake!” suggested someone.

“Nay, chop off his head!” yelled another one. The villagers nodded in agreement with this: it was quick and required not much preparation; if Morm was a wolf, he would not have time to burst his bonds and escape.

But the executioner was not to be ousted of his job. “You have shoved me to the back long enough!” he cried. “My axe has too long been idle. You have decided to lynch me, but it is I who will commit the deed with my own axe as it should have been these past Days. By this you shall know that no wolf am I, but innocent!”

The villagers were utterly bewildered at this, and thought maybe to take their decision back. A wolf surely would not kill himself…!

“Wait!” someone started to call, but it was too late. Morm had dropped himself to the ground and brought the blade to his throat. “In the words of Elf-Warrior… think better of me.” And with that, he heaved the axe upon his own neck. The axe, which had been hopefully sharpened so many times this fateful week, cleaved through to the bone. Morm’s eyes shortly glazed over and his body went limp. He had spoken the truth: he had been innocent.

Ashamed, the villagers returned to their homes without a word to each other. Their numbers dwindled; they were running out of chances.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Encai
Eomer
Lhuna
Saurreg
TORE
Wilwarin

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3
Dancing Spawn (Ordinary Villager) – Twisted like a pretzel and stuffed in a closet by werewolves on Night 4
Elf-Warrior (Ordinary Villager) – Stabbed through with knives by villagers on Day 4
LMP (Ordinary Villager) – Suffocated by werewolves on Night 5
Oromin (Werewolf) – Crushed under gallows by villagers on Day 5
Kath (Seer) – Scalped with eyeballs ripped out by werewolves on Night 6
Mormegil (Ordinary Villager) – Cut off his own head rather than having the villagers handle his axe on Day 6

Score:

Werewolves – 1
Villagers – 5

It is now Night 7. I need a name from the Wolf; Night will end as soon as that has happened.

[Firefoot]

As each of the villagers woke up in the morning, they thanked – well, they weren’t sure who to thank, but they were thankful to still be alive. They met outside once more and made a painfully short headcount – only five left, and Encaitare was now missing.

Encai, being a wandering gypsy, had no real home of her own and had made her abode out in the woods. The villagers weren’t precisely sure where she had camped the previous night, but, looking out in the general direction, they realized that some smoke still rose above the trees. The villagers hastened in that direction, wondering what they might find that could still be smoking.

It did not take long before they found what was left of her camp. Before the arrival of the werewolf, it had been a comparatively cheery place: a small, brightly colored wagon and the horse that drew it. Now, all that was left was a heap of mostly ashes. Encai’s draft horse had been killed and her wagon destroyed; both had been heaped together. Encai (gagged first, so as not to cause so much of a ruckus), had been tied to a stake and stuck on top. Then the whole mound had burned; it still smoked. Little that was left could be recognized: a few metal oddments (jewelry and such), some bones.

The villagers tried to recall who had suggested burning Morm at the stake the previous Day and could not. Meanwhile, one of the villagers had wandered off a bit and found a message scratched in the dirt. The others noticed and went over to see what had caught the villager’s notice. The message read: Good luck to you, my fellow Shirriff and other villagers. If anything else had been written, it had been smudged away.

Sorrowfully, the villagers began their trek back to the village.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Eomer
Lhuna
Saurreg
TORE
Wilwarin

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3
Dancing Spawn (Ordinary Villager) – Twisted like a pretzel and stuffed in a closet by werewolves on Night 4
Elf-Warrior (Ordinary Villager) – Stabbed through with knives by villagers on Day 4
LMP (Ordinary Villager) – Suffocated by werewolves on Night 5
Oromin (Werewolf) – Crushed under gallows by villagers on Day 5
Kath (Seer) – Scalped with eyeballs ripped out by werewolves on Night 6
Mormegil (Ordinary Villager) – Cut off his own head rather than having the villagers handle his axe on Day 6
Encai (Shirriff) – Burned to death by werewolf on Night 7

Score:

Werewolves – 1
Villagers – 4

It is now Day 7. Day will end in 24 hours.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

A new day...right? I guess the game can go fairly swiftly now.

Well my darlings, I've been doing some reading and I've discovered exactly why Lhunardawen is so suspicious of me:

1) - I showed regret at having been responsible for our Guardian's death.

2) - I am clever (apparently).

3) - I agreed with Kitanna and then 'pushed her to the gallows'.

Let me answer these: Yeah, so what?; Kind of you, but so what?; Kitanna agreed with me. Wolves bandwagon, it's what they do. That and kill people.

Yes, quite the magnificent case against me there. Please can someone tell me why I deserve all this suspicion? I am not a double-bluffing wolf! I helped kill Kitanna and Orominuialwen and I think I should be credited, not maligned.

Lhunardawen did vote for Kitanna, but she also refused to vote for Oromin and did, in fact, argue against killing her. She started attacking me only after I voiced concerns about her lack of voting on DAY ONE.

She must go.

++LHUNARDAWEN

[The Only Real Estel]

++ Lhuna

would appear to be the proper choice. Even if she is only the Cobbler we've still scored a big one for reasons I've stated before. If we picked someone else & got neither the Cobbler nor the wolf the wolf (with the aid of the Cobbler) would conquer the village the next DAY. Even if Lhuna is only the Cobbler we still stand a fighting chance of bagging a wolf the next DAY.

Anyone who doesn't vote for Lhuna (except herself) I would suspect a great deal.

[The Only Real Estel]

Hmmm, maybe I was a bit hasty there. I am also suspicious of Saurreg.

Still, I see Saurreg as either a wolf or an ordinary villager, so he's not the win-win that Lhuna is.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Saurreg doesn't worry me that much. I think his reasoning behind Mormegil's lynching was ok, I'm just sorry Morm turned out to be an innocent. His blood is certainly on my hands. But then, Estel doesn't worry me too much, and wilwarin is almost certainly the other Sheriff (and will likely be devoured by the wolf tonight). If Lhuna is not the wolf, I will be lost.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh my goodness, what have I done? The Moon has obviously tricked me - I thought I would be having my cognitive faculties for the last two Days in exchange for some speech defect. But as I read my posts from the those Days it is obviously not so.

Eomer, will you ever forgive me for so blindly going after you? I do not know what madness the Moon has cast upon me for me to do that, but now I realize that you are indeed innocent. I admit I was being ridiculous, but you see, I am not a Lhunatic for nothing. ;)

++THE ONLY REAL ESTEL

is obviously the werewolf. And I commend you, for you are a very good one. You are (probably) the greatest double-bluffing werewolf of all time.

Lhuna is innocent.

Eomer is innocent...and will be lost, because I am not the wolf.

Wilwa is the other shiriff.

Saurreg is innocent. Specifically, the cobbler.

Estel's vote patterns:
Day 1: Oromin (Nothing like voting for a fellow wolf first Day to throw off suspicion.)
Day 2: Lhuna (She's a cobbler. She's a wolf. Let's kill her to be sure. Though nobody else on that Day leaned towards voting that way.)
Day 3: Kitanna (She's obviously a werewolf and will be lynched anyway, so, why not? Plus it is perfect for throwing off suspicion.)
Day 4: Oromin (Since she wants to die anyway.)
Day 5: Oromin (She really has to go, to further throw off suspicion.)
Day 6: Lhuna (See Day 2)
Day 7: Lhuna

And there's this weird - extremely defensive, if I may say so - reply from Estel on post #322 on something mormegil said on post #321.

Plus, lmp was the first one to cast suspicion on Estel (and Eomer, not that it matters anymore)...and he died the Night after. The werewolf thought he had the Seer.

Now I know I seem to be grasping at straws here. Maybe I am. I can only tell you one thing, though: I am innocent. With this I will be so bold as to ask wilwa and Saurreg to vote for Estel toDay, as Eomer has already voted for me. I think we can actually save the village toDay. If I am wrong about Estel's lycanthropy, then you can lynch me if you wish (if the real werewolf has not yet killed me, that is). But I am very confident that this time, we have nailed him.

[Saurreg]

So iz two votes for the Lhunatic und one for dah ree' Estel.

Me wait und see how me suspect Wilwarin votes.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well.....I'm baffled by Lhuna's post. She doesn't mention even once why she no longer suspects me. All she does is mention her 'revelation' about Estel. I'm too confused. Was that a shock-tactic from a bold and fearless wolf? She certainly played the innocent well there.

She has not dissolved my suspicions of her by too much at all.

[wilwarin538]

I am the other shirriff.

I am still on vacation and its going to be longer. You wont hear from me again till sunday night.

++Lhunardewen

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Lhuna:
And there's this weird - extremely defensive, if I may say so - reply from Estel on post #322 on something mormegil said on post #321.

Posted by me:
Great. Thanks. Unless you are a werewolf you've just set me up for a perfect setup. :rolleyes:

There seems to be an unfortunate attitude in this game that if someone seems innocent he must be guilty. While that can be true sometimes there is usually some shred of irrefutable evidence that can be found. But suspicions will be suspicions, & I do not hold yours against you.

I don't see anything too defensive about that. I made a valid point about the setup but apparently the wolves had other plans for that NIGHT. And the other point about 'if someone seems innocent he must be guilty' was being played out right before our eyes.

Plus, lmp was the first one to cast suspicion on Estel (and Eomer, not that it matters anymore)...and he died the Night after. The werewolf thought he had the Seer.

And he/she didn't. And yet we still take lmp's word as he was a seer? Oh well. Anyway, it was pretty obvious that lmp had his telescope pointing at the wrong constellation the last DAY he was around. He made all sorts of wierd/wolvish comments - I've said before that I was going to vote for him that DAY.

Anyways, it doesn't appear too many people took Lhuna too seriously. She's either trying to cause confusion by switching tracks (therefore she's the Cobbler), or she's the wolf & acting very wolfish.

edit: anyway, thanks to wilwa the majority has spoken & we'll probably find out soon enough

[Firefoot]

Okay, that's the end of the Day; Lhuna death will be coming soon.

Sorry, I've not had a great deal of computer acess since yesterday morning; I've sort of had windows of time that have coincided with the endings/beginnings of Day and Night phases. That's why I've not been responding as soon as I might. This has been a hectic weekend for me. :) Now, to really quick think of a death for Lhuna...

[Firefoot]

“Kill the lhunatic wolf!” The shouts went up as the sun went down. Clearly this was their final wolf, hiding behind that bluffing howling of hers.

The small mob of four herded Lhuna down to the village square. Lhuna went willingly, cackling insanely and occasionally howling.

“You do know I’m innocent,” she commented, then laughed maniacally. The villagers exchanged looks amongst them. It seemed that their final wolf had finally cracked.

As they reached the square, the question went up, “So how are we going to lynch her?” The villagers were beginning to run out of ideas. Their gallows was utterly ruined and the executioner’s axe had mysteriously disappeared. Besides that, they no longer had a village undertaker to take care of the dead bodies... and, if she did turn out to be a wolf, the villagers weren’t quite sure how they would fend her off.

“So we’ll have to get rid of her… somehow.” The villagers paused in quiet thought, broken only by Lhuna’s mad howling.

Finally, one of the villagers cried out, “I can’t think! Let us throw her over the cliff some ways out of town and be done with her for good.” Happy with this thought, the villagers hastened out of the town into the more mountainous terrain surrounding the village. They all knew of the cliff, and as they drew nearer, Lhuna got to be downright batty.

They reached the clearing before the cliff, and the villagers began to contemplate how they would throw her over. “I’ll grab her legs… you take her arms…” But suddenly, Lhuna broke free, sprinting for the cliff. Inches from the edge, she jumped.

“I’m a bird!” she shrieked. But alas for Lhuna, she was no more a bird than she was a werewolf. In seconds, she hit the rocky bottom with a resounding thud and moved no more. The villagers peered over the edge and realized that they had rid themselves of nothing more than an ordinary lhunatic; there was still a wolf among them. With fear in their hearts, the final four made their trek back to the village.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Eomer
Saurreg
TORE
Wilwarin

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3
Dancing Spawn (Ordinary Villager) – Twisted like a pretzel and stuffed in a closet by werewolves on Night 4
Elf-Warrior (Ordinary Villager) – Stabbed through with knives by villagers on Day 4
LMP (Ordinary Villager) – Suffocated by werewolves on Night 5
Oromin (Werewolf) – Crushed under gallows by villagers on Day 5
Kath (Seer) – Scalped with eyeballs ripped out by werewolves on Night 6
Mormegil (Ordinary Villager) – Cut off his own head rather than having the villagers handle his axe on Day 6
Encai (Shirriff) – Burned to death by werewolf on Night 7
Lhuna (Ordinary Villager) – Jumped off a cliff on Day 7

Score:

Werewolves – 1
Villagers – 3

It is now Night 8. I need a name from the Wolf. Night will end in 24 hours.

[Saurreg]

Und me vote goes to-

Oops sorry. Dah Great Earthmodma hasn't passed judgement yet. :rolleyes:

[Firefoot]

For most of the night, the entire village was silent. No one could sleep; the doom of the villagers seemed imminent though uncertain. Then, in the very darkest hour before dawn, several things began to happen.

The wolf, having weighed its choices of kills, transformed shape and padded off through the village.

Nilp’s wolves, almost entirely forgotten, lifted up their mournful howls to the waning moon: a sound entirely beautiful and sinister and sorrowful, all at the same time.

From the chosen victim’s house, music woke. The sound was at once familiar and strange, and those who heard it recognized it immediately as the music of their troubadour Wilwa, music that was an echo of happier times.

The music of the wolves and that of Wilwa combined to make a composition that sounded haunting and resigned… and yet, not without hope. Could there still be a way to rid this village of its plague?

Abruptly, with a jarringly discordant chord, the music stopped. The two villagers not present would later find out that the strings of the instrument on which Wilwa had been playing had been ripped off.

Then there was silence. Eventually, the wolf returned home, and the sun soon rose. The villagers knew before they even met together that Wilwa was no longer among them. A trip to her house revealed that after her instrument (they now saw that it had been a mandolin) had been destroyed, her insides had been ripped open. After being destroyed, they had been tied in bundles by the strings from her now useless mandolin, which had afterwards been coated in her blood.

They found a scrawled message on a sheet of paper nearby, short, simple, and to the point: I wish for hope, yet fear there is very little. Good luck. –Shirriff Wilwa.

And so the unlikely trio – wolf, cobbler, and ordinary villager – departed the house. This day spelled doom, either for the wolf or the villagers; only time would tell.

~*~*~*~

Living:

Eomer
Saurreg
TORE

Dead:

Firefoot – drowned and burned by werewolves on Night 1
Nilpaurion (Ordinary Villager) – beat piñata style and killed by villagers on Day 1
Fea (Ordinary Villager) – gutted and stuffed by werewolves on Night 2
Oddwen (Ranger) – killed by Nilp’s villager-provoked wolves on Day 2
Durelin (Hunter) – Deadheaded by werewolves on Night 3
TGWBS (Ordinary Villager) - Slain by Hunter on Night 3
Kitanna (Werewolf) – Paralyzed and hung by villagers on Day 3
Dancing Spawn (Ordinary Villager) – Twisted like a pretzel and stuffed in a closet by werewolves on Night 4
Elf-Warrior (Ordinary Villager) – Stabbed through with knives by villagers on Day 4
LMP (Ordinary Villager) – Suffocated by werewolves on Night 5
Oromin (Werewolf) – Crushed under gallows by villagers on Day 5
Kath (Seer) – Scalped with eyeballs ripped out by werewolves on Night 6
Mormegil (Ordinary Villager) – Cut off his own head rather than having the villagers handle his axe on Day 6
Encai (Shirriff) – Burned to death by werewolf on Night 7
Lhuna (Ordinary Villager) – Jumped off a cliff on Day 7
Wilwarin (Shirriff) – Ripped open by werewolf on Night 8

Score:

Werewolves – 1
Villagers – 2

It is now Day 8. Day will end in 24 hours or earlier if the vote is passed by then.

[The Only Real Estel]

*Takes a drag on my trusty pipe*

the Cobbler might be going for a subtle approach - hoping to stay more under the radar until the final DAY & then flare up & guarantee a sure wolf victory? That would be a daring plan.

It was a daring plan. But it has paid off.

++ The Only Real Estel

I am The Cobbler. Wolf, vote for me and complete the desecration of this accursed village.

These villagers had treated me, my trade, & my ambitions (such as they were) like inferiority. Of course they feigned kindness towards me, but I read their true motives. I caught their looks, their whispers, I am sure they were directed towards me.

Well, I have turned the tables on them. I was as shocked as the others when Firefoot was slain. But I saw that these wolves had afforded me a chance for revenge, and I took it. I aided them as best as I could. I was not sorry when Fea was murdered. I felt no remorse when Durelin was killed; I laughed when she mistook TGWBS for a wolf and helped my cause. I masked my true feelings when Dancing Spawn was done away with & the only sorrow I felt over lmp’s death was that he was not the seer (which I was already fairly certain of). I gloated when the wolves massacred the true seer, Kath, & was glad to see the two sheriffs go in rapid succession. I felt no twinges of guilt over the lynching of the ‘innocent’ villagers – not even those I especially took part in. If you roll a stone it will roll back on you – and a stone was due to roll back on them for what they had put me through.

I would not openly aid the wolves. No, of course not; if I was too obvious I wouldn’t live to see my designs fulfilled. Instead I lurked in the shadows, causing some confusion here; throwing some suspicion on innocents there, but mostly I took glee in the predicament of those that I had hated since before I even knew such a destructive thing as hate. I bided my time, hoping that, rather than help the wolves for a day I could emerge at the end & seal this cursed village’s fate. And now I have.

Still, I am not happy. Vengeance is mine, but it is not sweet. I shall look forward to today’s lynching. My only wish is that I might hang by my own hand – after I have seen the slaying of the very last villager that did me wrong.

And now I go to have one final smoke on my good, trusty, pipe; the only thing in this village that I never bore ill will towards.

[Saurreg]

If me could curz like a drunkened sailor, me would.

Game over. Game Over.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

May you find your peace, cobbler.

++TORE

This is for my fallen comrades.

[Firefoot]

“All is lost!” cried Saurreg.

Meanwhile, Eomer turned to Estel. “It’s time for you to go, old chap. Thank you for your help.”

“You mean I don’t even get to see him die first?” asked Estel in disappointment, indicating Saurreg.

Eomer thought for a moment. “Just for you,” he decided, “I’ll let you witness Saurreg’s death. Then you may die in what manner seems best to you.”

Estel smiled mirthlessly at this pronouncement. “Make it painful.”

With a victorious light in his eye, Eomer looked upon Saurreg. “Rest assured, once I kill you, I’ll do the same to every one of your sheep.”

Saurreg’s face paled. “Not me poor sheep!” And that was all the last words that Saurreg had time for before Eomer underwent a snarling transformation. Saurreg put up a futile fight, but Eomer easily overcame him. Within minutes, all that was left of Saurreg was scattered, bloody, shredded body parts.

And Eomer smiled a wolfish smile. Victory was nigh complete.

Estel’s purpose was finished. With a salute to the remaining wolf, he took off towards his house where he had affixed a noose to the eaves of the house. He climbed a step ladder and fastened the noose about his neck. “Never shall it be said that this village was wholly unable to hang people, though the honor shall go to me alone. Vengeance is mine!” With that, he kicked aside his ladder. His neck snapped, and all that was left of the unloving Loveland was a victorious werewolf and Estel’s dead body, swaying in the dusty wind.

WEREWOLVES WIN!

[Firefoot]

For those of you who are interested:

Seer dreams:

Night 1 - Saurreg
Night 2 - TGWBS
Night 3 - Kitanna
Night 4 - Wilwa
Night 5 - Oromin
Night 6 - Lhuna

Ranger protection:

Night 1 - Eomer

Hunter choice:

Night 1 - Morm
Night 2 - TGWBS

The cursed villager was Mormegil.

[The Only Real Estel]

Great game, all! :)

I would like to know what you thought of me, Eomer. I know I dropped a few subtle hints during the course of the game, did you assume I was cobbler?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It was a really good game. Congrats to all.

Honest to goodness I had no idea you were the cobbler, Estel. :D What kind of hints did you leave? Great strategy on your part, by the way.

I've been speaking to Firefoot about it, and it's kinda silly but here goes: I totally forgot that the cobbler would vote for himself. I had assumed that this last day would be a chaos of confusion and deception. But no, it worked out easily in the end.

I kept a little Diary of Wolvery. I'll be able to post it tomorrow, I imagine. It's a good read!

One thing though: I thought us wolves were really quite unlucky in parts of the game. First of all we had dancing spawn's uncanny suspicion of Kitanna which forced us to panic, and then Oromin had RL difficulties which prompted that huge change of strategy.

It was great fun wolving with Oro and Kit, The Shadow of Terror (hehe! :D ) and The Pretty Face. Hats off, all round.

[Orominuialwen]

I never guessed you were the cobbler either, Estel. I thought Lhuna was, until she died, and then I had no idea who it could be.

It's odd the way things worked out. It's looking definitely like I'll have to leave sometime next week, so it turns out I needn't have embarked on my suicidal strategy after all. Although I sure did confuse the heck out of all of you while I was doing it! I was afraid you were never going to kill me once I said I was the cobbler. At least it provided some cover for Eomer in that he could lead the charge against me. It was so funny to see him repeatedly saying things late in the game such as I am not a double-bluffing wolf! when of course he was! :D I doubt that he'll live past the first day ever again. :p

[Firefoot]

Oromin, I agree. Eomer's posts were full of stuff like that, even at the start: "I have no idea why anyone would want to kill so-and-so." It also made me laugh that the one game Eomer should have been lynched, he wasn't. Knowing everyone's role and watching the game play out has got to be one of the best things about modding, which I thought was a ton of fun. The hardest part was coming up with original deaths at the end... I was at the end of my rope. ;) So thanks to Bethberry for giving me the idea of scalping. :D That death was inspired... though someone informed me it may have been a little over the top. (Perhaps "without a top" describes it better? :p )

Great game, everyone.

[The Only Real Estel]

Well, part of that confusion was me refusing to admit that you were a wolf, Oromin. :p I said you were either a wolf or the Cobbler, but since I knew I was really the Cobbler I knew you were a wolf...but I wanted to buy another day or two if I could. Confusing, huh? Well, I was the Cobbler! :p

[Holbytlass]

Wow! That was great entertainment, thanks players. And great modding, Firefoot.
Estel, the cobbler, well hoodda thunk?! That was a great strategy. Another big whammy, Eomer-the-wolf, oh the irony of people feeling sorry for him cause of his initial early-lynchings in other games and him turning out to be a wolf this time 'round. BTW, congratulations on finally having a special role, Eomer.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

When we were hiding well, and other people were commenting on what a good job the wolves were doing, I almost typed Yes, these wolves are doing rather magnificently, yes?

I quickly decided against that; it would have been far too obvious! :D

Hear that noise? It's the sound of Lhuna tearing her hair out. :p :D

By the way, those killings hurt me just as much as they hurt you. Honest.

To add: Thanks Holby. Yes, the irony was seeping through the keyboard.

[mormegil]

If only the village had listened to me at my death. But no it wouldn't be so. Eomer great job! I started to think that it may have been you when Fea died and your reaction to that it is what I would have done to be honest :D . But what pacified me was leading the charge in killing the other wolves but by the end I had you figured out but of course it was too little too late. Oh one other thing that made me suspcious of you is that you survived past day 1 :p

Tore fantastic job and wonderful strategy! Of course you were aided by Lhuna and others but no matter what I would never have thought you to be the cobbler. For one fleeting day I thought you to be a wolf but that went away quickly. A brilliant start to a great new role.

What did everyone else think of the cobbler role? I think it added a wonderful new element of complexity to the game.

So I was the cursed villager. I had this sinking suspicion from the start that I was. I actually almost posted it when I was about to die but thought better of it

Great game to the other wolves Kitanna and Oromin as well. Kath despite what you think I feel you played rather well and kept yourself alive very long. Which can be hard to do as a seer. I feel so bad about Durelin and Oddwen though. To think one wolf killed one and I killed the other :rolleyes: .

Finally, great job Firefoot! You were excellent. I haven't modded but I was able to get a birds eye view when TGWBS modded and I had to sit out. It is wonderful to watch it all play out with the complete knowledge. Though I hope you dont' think less of me for not figuring out anything really *roll eyes*

Thanks all.

Edit: I was laughing every day about my axe! It was so much fun to have this runing joke between the mod and me. Though I'm glad I could finally use it.

[Encaitare]

Nice playing, everyone. Eomer, as soon as I was killed I knew it was you, but I never suspected TORE. Hope to see some of you in WWVIII! :)

[The Only Real Estel]

Hints & Bluffs: Well, when I dropped hints I made them extremely subtle - I didn't want to be too obvious about it. At one point I said I was off for some oatmeal, some peaches, & some ice cream. This was one hint that I sincerely doubted anyone would pick up one - I don't know if any of you have ever had peach cobbler before but it basically amounts to peaches & ice cream (the oatmeal was just an add on). After not being on for awhile I returned with the action of *shaking the cobwebs from my brain*. Extremely subtle hints, as I said before, but one never knows who might pick up on them (although no one did :p). And then in the last DAY or two I really started discussing possible Cobbler strategies, but that really wasn't hinting, per se.

As to bluffs I decided to ask about what we should be looking for in the Cobbler, etc. as a sort of double-bluff; at one point I thought I had overdone it, but apparently not. After Elf-Warrior mentioned the role I started asking about it. Basically the first day I tried to get everyone's focus more on the role of the Cobbler than wolves - asking for clarifications suggesting that Nilp might be 'the cobbler cobbler', etc. I also asked Firefoot if we would know if we'd killed the Cobbler, as another small double-bluff sort of thing. Also, when Lhuna suggested that the Cobbler might be hiding I quickly brought up that they're job is mainly to confuse us - I didn't want them to focus on my strategy, of course.

As I go back & read my posts I'm amazed at how many times I said the word 'Cobbler'. :eek:

(edit): On one last Cobbler not: I don't think I played that well, I was just saved at the end by the wolf lasting. I knew about half way through that unless Eomer was the wolf I had little chance of looking even the least bit smart, he was the only one out of the other potential wolves that hadn't had much suspicion cast on him & could then possibly last until the last DAY for me to redeem myself. That & I basically hung my entire strategy on the guess that he was a wolf. Had the wolf been taken out & the game won by the villagers I would've done a horrible job as Cobbler, I especially did poorly at the start when I was trying to get a handle for the whole thing. I was just fortunate that my daring & rather unsmart strategy paid off - though I can't say I'd do the same thing if I was given a do-over!

By the way, Eomer I must say I had you figured out from DAY one, though at times (mostly late in the game) I began to waver ever so slightly. I think I'll post some of my thoughts for each DAY...I'll have to get them more orginized first, though. ;)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

O yea, it's real easy to say Of course, I had Eomer figured out right at the start now that the game's over! :p

I thought we wolves were unlucky with our suspicion. I'm not sure why everyone leapt on Kitanna (dancing spawn, wow - she was so troublesome). Oromin's case speaks for itself. And what did I do wrong? I thought I played it real clean, honey! :D

Kuru, get me one of those t-shirts. ;)

And it's nice to see The Saga still being used after all these games.

[Encaitare]

And what did I do wrong? I thought I played it real clean, honey! :D

I thought that after a while your reminders that you'd helped lynch Kitanna and Oromin became suspicious.

I tried to make a subtle hint like TORE. Since I wasn't allowed to say I was the Shirriff, I wrote "There is someone else I do not suspect, and I don't want to see an innocent's eyes fluttering closed as they hang..." I had hoped that someone might make the connection "flutter --> butterfly --> Wilwarin --> innocent." At least people did figure out that we were the Shirriffs from my more outright defenses.

[The Only Real Estel]

This is more or else my train of thought on DAY One:

Bah, Cobbler. Of all the roles, this is the one that I understand the least. Just my luck. I suppose I should (1) cause confusion (2) don't accuse wolves, but I'd also like to stick around past the first few days so I can be a bigger help so I need to (3) act like an innocent villager would.

Okay, here we go. Hmm, Morm makes a typical in-character post & Wilwarin jumps on it - seems like a wolvish trick. Woh, what the heck? I swear I can't understand a word of what Saurreg says without reading it three or four times. *Sigh* Nilp votes for himself? Fire & brimstone, it's the end of the world. :p I think I'll do a bit of double-bluffing of a sort & ask some questions about the Cobbler's role. I think I'll drop a hint, something about peaches (my peach cobbler hint) - I doubt anyone will catch it, but that doesn't really matter. Ah, Dancing Spawn's picked up on Wilwarin as well, I suppose if she might be a wolf than I'd better give a short defense of her (#85). Now this is strange. Eomer is lightly accusing & then quickly pardoning villagers at lightening speed (Fea, Morm, Wilwa, Durelin). That is what I considered doing to keep active while never really comitting to anyone. Since I am not innocent & he is acting like me I think I'll keep an eye on that. TGWBS has started the Nilp bandwagon, as an innocent villager I should bring this up (#104). Oops, that wasn't very smart if he's a wolf I'd better back off (#111). Now Kitanna is giving screwy reasons for why she's voting for Nilp - I'd better speak up (#111). Bah, I need to cast a vote but I don't want to draw attention to any wolves. Hmm, how about Oromin? She's only posted once so I'll use that as my reason so it doesn't look like I'm playing completely at random <---boy, some cobbler I was, voting for a wolf on the first DAY? :eek:

[The Saucepan Man]

Congratulations to all involved for what, from the perspective of an interested bystander, was an extremely enjoyable game. Particular congrats to Firefoot for an excellent job as moderator. :cool:

But my greatest praise is reserved for Eomer and TORE, both of whom played a blinder in my opinion.

TORE, I think that your strategy worked extremely well. I never suspected you as the Cobbler (I had Saureg pinned for that role), and it seems like no one else did either. It was a bold strategy, but it paid dividends in the end.

Eomer, you took my breath away with the boldness of some of your moves. After Kitanna's death, I felt sure that it had been planned by the wolves so that they could use their role in bringing it about to justify their innocence. At first, I suspected mormegil and Kath ( :rolleyes: ), but with them dead I began to watch you closely. With Oromin's death, I became pretty convinced that you were the remaining wolf, having taken the prime role in getting her lynched. It was a bold strategy, because it left you on your own, but it also meant that most of the remaining villagers were convinced of your innocence (with a little help from TORE).

But what I really admired was the way that you dealt with the remaining shirriff, jumping in to vote for Lhuna before anyone had time to organise a mass lynching (again, supported by TORE). As the lone wolf, I thought that you might have difficulties with the shirriffs, since if you killed one at night that would leave a known innocent the next day and the risk of being caught in an organised mass lynching. I presume that you held off attacking the shirriffs until the numbers were down in order to minimise that risk. You handled it extremely well, but I would be interested to hear what your thoughts were on this.

So, well done to the "Wolf" team (yes, that includes you, TORE), and thanks to all involved for some great entertainment. :)

My only complaint is that I missed enrolling by a day. It was a classic game, and I would love to have been involved.

[wilwarin538]

Wow, I really missed alot these past few days, even my own death. :p

That was alot of fun. I'm definetly going to try it again.

It was great Shirriffing with you Enca! :D Eomer and TORE, I didn't suspect you for a single second, you played well. All of you did. ;)

[Kitanna]

Great game everyone!

I'm so glad to see that Eomer stayed on 'til the end. I was a little worried there, but he pulled through.

And Estel, excellent job as the cobbler.

[The Only Real Estel]

And Estel, excellent job as the cobbler

Thank you very much, Kitanna. Especially since I probably contributed to your death quite a bit on accident :o. But that will be included in my DAY two thoughts if I decide to post those. ;)

[Durelin]

Eomer and TORE, you blow me away. ;)

Great game everyone...absolutely suspenseful...you kept me up till 2 in the morning the night I knew I was going to get killed!

Hmm...Has anyone noticed my hints in my posts, yet? Or do I have to go back to bold them? :p

I swear I'll never live past the third night...

[The Only Real Estel]

My train of thought during DAY two:

Fea gone, eh? Strange choice, I would've thought they could've gotten her lynched within a day or two by twisting her words. Oh well. Pity she's just an ordo, though (ordinary villager). I see Kitanna slightly twists Oddwen's word & voices suspicions of her, a wolvish trick perhaps? I am still suspicious of her from yesterday. Ah, morm believes me innocent, excellent. Blast that Saurreg and his confusing posts! Or blast my inability to read them, whichever deserves it more. As an innocent villager I feel I should expose Kitanna's twisting of Oddwen's words (#160). Lhuna has been hanging around her brother too much...but hopefully this can be used to our advantage. Unless of course she is a bold bluffing wolf? I'd better think on this one. Ah, lmp thinks me innocent as well. Hmm, tgwbs suspects Lhuna of cobblery - now that's a card I could play to my favor later on. I'll have to bookmark that one...GASP! Lhuna nailed my strategy! I'd better 'clarify' what I think the cobbler is supposed to be doing (#176). Now Eomer proclaims me likely to be innocent, I wonder...I still believe him to be a wolf, could he have picked up on one of my hints? Eomer mentions suspicions of Kitanna but I doubt he'll act on them, I think they're both wolves. Nope no acting, in fact no further mention of Kitanna that I can see. Eomer & Kitanna jump to #1 & #2 on my list. Tgwbs resuspects Lhuna of cobblery, time to play my card (& I imagine I'll play it again many times)(#199). In fact I think I'll use that card to vote for Lhuna. She won't die anyway, so I still have no voting record to be tied to. And if she is a wolf than this one vote is doing no harm.

[Lhunardawen]

Goodness. I am utterly speechless.

I'll try to regain my speech when my jaw stops dropping.

[Lhunardawen]

IknewitIknewitIknewitIknewitIknewitIknewit I knew it!!!

I knew something's up when Eomer survived beyond Day 3! :p

But the funny thing about this is, I was trying to convince even myself of Eomer's lycanthropy when I posted my suspicions of him on Day 3. What finally convinced me is an anonymous rep on that post saying this:I'll explain this rep after the game. I did a quick count of the points that rep had - I think it was around 24. This is where the fun begins...

I thought it came from Firefoot!!!

But I told myself, "No, no, of course she wouldn't do that. She's the mod." But somehow I believed the rep to be a sign from heaven that I am on the right track about Eomer. So I went after him, but nobody would believe me. Added to that, he did a fine job of defending himself, so in the end I thought Estel really was the werewolf. My hat is off to you, dear big bro. ;) And to you too, Estel. You have no idea how befuddled I was with the two of you, even after my death. Nilp can attest to that.

*starts tearing hair out*

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Wow... you should never underestimate the wolves... or the cobbler. Thanks for the great game, everyone!

Eomer, the wolves of the previous villages are proud to welcome you to the VIP Club (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=393549&postcount=545) of Victorious Werewolves!

Firefoot, excellent modding! :cool:

[littlemanpoet]

Eomer, you were very wise to kill me the night you did. I was reading through your posts and had come to the same conclusion that Mormegil did, that you were either innocent are a daring double bluffer; only I was convinced it was the latter. I was preparing a "Case Against Eomer" that I never got to post. Good game!

Oh, and having not read past page 10 yet, let me just add that with so many villagers, to chain the shirriffs to not revealing themselves until one died, seemed unnecessary to me in the first place, and pretty much proved out that if you're going to hog-tie them, might as well not have them at all.

Edit: Lhuna, you were convincing me, but he took me out! :)

[Lhunardawen]

Edit: Lhuna, you were convincing me, but he took me out! :) That's why I thought either Eomer or Estel was the wolf. The werewolf might have thought you were the Seer and about to dream of one of them, that's why the lycan killed you right before you can say anything.

[The Saucepan Man]

On another note, did anyone else wonder what Jar Jar Binks was doing in the village?

Or was it just me who found that image being conjured up every time that Saureg posted?

:D

[the guy who be short]

Eomer...? :eek: Congrats.

I'll be honest. I was oblivious to wolvery throughout that entire game.

The only thing I figured out for certain were the Shirriffs, which everybody got, and Lhuna's innocence on the Day she was lynched. Explanation: The Night lasted half an hour from 6pm to 6:30pm (I think). In Lhuna-time (Phillipines) that would be 1am in the morning, and it's extremely unlikely shewas awake at 1 to choose who to kill, thus she was innocent.

TORE - Grr... :p Fool, aren't I?

[The Only Real Estel]

Or was it just me who found that image being conjured up every time that Saureg posted?

I was spending too much time trying to figure out what he said to have any images conjured up. :p

I was preparing a "Case Against Eomer" that I never got to post.

I was preparing a "Case against lmp" during the night you got killed also. I don't know if it would've gone over or not, but I had quite a few quotes that either sounded strange or I could twist to sound strange. ;) And then I woke up & found that the wolves had taken you out. :mad: Good game.

[The Only Real Estel]

I wrote a few PMs to Firefoot during the course of the game, mostly so I could have my thoughts somewhere concrete. Here's one from day one:

Sorry to start a sort of confusion about the cobbler's job, but I couldn't resist throwing a little bit of non-wolf related confusion in there :D...plus if me asking about the cobbler's role makes me look less cobbler-ish, than that's obviously a good sign (for now).

I just hope the villagers don't get what I was talking about when I mentioned having "some oatmeal, peaches and ice cream, and a smoke" - it was meant to be a subtle hint to the wolves so that perhaps they'll catch on (don't know if you've ever had peach cobbler with ice cream on it or not), but if the other villagers catch it I might be out of luck...

-Estel-

And thoughts from DAY three (I was gone during most of the proceedings for this day)...

Wow, Durelin wasn't a wolf. I had been looking at her for possibly the third wolf, instead she's the hunter & takes out another villager with her - good luck I must say. What's Oromin saying? Cobbler? Liar!!! :p Darn it, it's obvious that Oromin is either a wolf or a Cobbler & since I was the Cobbler last I checked she must be the wolf. Still, I can't bring that up. I've got to see if I can delay her lynching for a day or two, every day longer that we can keep lynching innocents is vital - especially for this stupid strategy of mine that will probably make me look like an idiot. Morm would elect me the leader of the village!? Ah, if I had only been here earlier...still, if I can get him to take up that call later I could probably get away with getting two innocents lynched late in the game before being lynched for my 'mistakes'. I'll have to revisit that one. Wow, I just realized that as an 'innocent' villager I was bothering Kitanna (being suspicious of her) but as the Cobbler I should have been leaving her alone. This role is going to take some getting used to. It seems that most of the villagers either aren't taking Oromin seriously or else they are suspecting her of being the Cobbler. Good. Let's keep it that way for a few DAYS if possible. It looks like Kitanna is going down, ah, Eomer votes for her. That still doesn't clear him, any wolf would jump on his comrade when the ship is going down...still, I have to be sure to look at this with an open mind. Well, I'm finally back - I think I'll shake the COBwebs from my brain - not that anyone will catch on. It looks like Kitanna is out, I should probably vote for her. Sigh, I probably played a big part in everyone suspecting her. Lhuna suspects Eomer, hopefully that will just make her look like a guilty attention-shifter. So, Kitanna was a wolf. This may be a short game, although if Eomer is one of the remaining wolves it just might not be.

edit: Oh yeah, here's a PM to Firefoot from DAY three (I think):

Mormegil being so trusting of me & lmp & Eomer thinking I am definitly innocent is funny but also revealing. If there were three wolves still then I would want to continue to fly under the radar until the last few days, so that I can cause confusion & swing votes at the most critical times possible. But now that one wolf is down & others might be on the way I need to start drawing attention to myself now - which is not going to be easy. It especially won't be easy to confuse the villagers when they are already so clear-cut as to who they want to lynch. I'm hoping that the wolves can somehow survive until at least Monday, then if I can get Mrom to take up the 'head villager' chant again & get myself appointed I can probably afford to 'go wrong' twice before the villagers decided to lynch me - at any rate I would have bought the wolves three more days. But I'm not so sure that we can last that long...I've been hoping from the start that Eomer is a wolf. If he is then I think we stand a good chance of winning, no one has suspected him & I think he would've picked up by now that I'm the cobbler. I decided to drop another subtle hint by me "shaking the cobwebs from my head" in my last post.

-Estel-


I don't know about you all, but I personally would much rather see Eomer & co.'s PMs then type up these things. Come on Eomer, bring on the main attraction! :D

[Encaitare]

Oh, and having not read past page 10 yet, let me just add that with so many villagers, to chain the shirriffs to not revealing themselves until one died, seemed unnecessary to me in the first place, and pretty much proved out that if you're going to hog-tie them, might as well not have them at all.

Well, it's really not much use to anyone else, but for the Shirriffs it's nice because there is someone who you know you can trust. I admit, though, it was frustrating not being able to directly announce my role and therefore clear myself of suspicion.

[littlemanpoet]

Well, it's really not much use to anyone else, but for the Shirriffs it's nice because there is someone who you know you can trust. I admit, though, it was frustrating not being able to directly announce my role and therefore clear myself of suspicion.

The post in which you defended Wilwarin was enough for me, although it maybe should not have been. You see, I had already decided that Kitanna and Elf Warrior were werewolves, and that you were neither a werewolf nor the seer. So you couldn't be defending a fellow werewolf, not being one, therefore you had to be a shirriff, and Wilwarin the other. It was nice to have you two as "known innocents", if only to my own reasoning, because that decreased the number of suspects .... which was exactly when I started getting really suspicious of Eomer & Estel; and you know the rest of the story.

Maybe it's right that the werewolves can't have the initiative taken away from them by something as structurally built in as a pair of shirriffs. I'm not sure. The way I see it, the village came awfully close to winning this game - which is part of what made it all that more enjoyable and exciting. And to think I played the entire game without my home computer having internet access! :eek: I would have posted more, but that might have gotten me into more trouble with fellow villagers for all I know. As it was, I was forced to think more and yack less. :p

[The Only Real Estel]

The way I see it, the village came awfully close to winning this game - which is part of what made it all that more enjoyable and exciting.

Although I obviously won't deny I was hoping to win, by the end of the game I was feeling more than a little guilty about betraying the village. But I suppose it was my job to be a turncoat... :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Eomer, darling, you forgot to mention something very flattering toward me:

I knew you were a wolf the moment I came home to find myself dead (almost two weeks ago, wasn't it?).

(blah blah random non-wolfish stuff about college and travel and other random stuff blah)

PS: You just moved to the permanent position of my top suspect.
He responded with a response to all the non-wolf stuff and a non-commital "Who, me? What the heck makes you think that?". :D

And yes, that random rep to Lhuna was from me, for anyone who can count and notice who might have done it. I assumed that since the post it was for wasn't concrete, she wouldn't know just what it was for and wouldn't be swayed by it. After all, all I said was "I'll explain this after the game." Apparently randomness is a great decision maker? To explain: I was ecstatic that someone (anyone!) suspected Eomer. Too bad it didn't work.

Beautiful work, Lhuna. I cracked up reading your posts. I had you pegged as cobbler, with Saurreg a close second. Never saw that one coming.

Fantastic modding, Firefoot.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's true, I was at the top of Fea's list all the way. It just made me all the more glad to have killed her at the start. :p ;)

Thanks for all the praise but I definitely don't deserve a lot of it. We wolves were unlucky in bits but we got really lucky in other bits. Sauce remarked upon part of a brilliant strategy which was actually just a useful side-effect. :D

I agree with lmp: this game was extremely close and that's what made it so good.

Expect in-depth wolvish analysis.....soon! (No PMs though, we didn't save them, though I did write down all the interesting stuff: I know you want to hear it)

[the guy who be short]

Of course we do Eomer. :D Wolf-thoughts are always so... interesting.

And mormegil, let's sort this once and for all: how was I odd? :p

[The Only Real Estel]

Expect in-depth wolvish analysis.....soon! (No PMs though, we didn't save them, though I did write down all the interesting stuff: I know you want to hear it)

But no willful editing either. ;)

For instance, if you told your fellow wolves "Estel is defending me quite a bit, he must be a hapless gullible" I still want to here it. :p

[The Saucepan Man]

Sauce remarked upon part of a brilliant strategy which was actually just a useful side-effect.I would be interested to hear your strategy for dealing with the Shirriffs though. Were you consciously avoiding killing one until you had to in order to prevent there being a known innocent?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Night One: Is agreed that we should keep our traditional gaming roles: Eomer - loudmouth; Oromin - quiet; Kitanna - in between.

Day One: Nilp takes all the attention and dies, leaving the wolves pretty inconspicious. Oromin no-shows, Kitanna bandwagons and Eomer picks out a random (Oddwen) to vote for.

Night Two: We decide that Feanor of the Peredhil is a good choice to kill. She's just too intelligent to keep alive. Her death won't reveal much because her posts were all random jumble anyway. ( :p ) Plus, there is just no way that Eomer would kill the beloved Fea, so Eomer is off the hook immediately. Right?

Day Two: For some reason unbeknownst to me, the village tries out my 'Oddwen theory'. We all know what happens here: Oddwen and Durelin both reveal gifts and the wolves have to try pretty damn hard not to laugh out loud. Cover it up with one of these: :( No Guardian to worry about.

Night Three: The gifted Durelin is the obvious choice to kill. Kitanna agrees but is now pretty sure that dancing spawn is the Seer. After all, she had an uncanny and accurate feeling about Kit, apparently from nowhere. Because of this suspicion, Kitanna volunteers to be sacrificed. It would be best if Oromin could do it but: Oromin's RL troubles are revealed. She doesn't think she'll be able to participate too much, so we have to come up with something good for her to do. We decide to confuse the hell out of the village by having Oromin declare that she is the Cobbler, then a wolf, then the Cobbler, then a wolf again. She also names her 'fellow wolves', but no-one buys it, even as a bluff. Still, worth a try. Kit sure she is going to die. Wolves decide to put all eggs into one basket. Eomer is to attack both his comrades.

Day Three: Hunter Durelin has killed Ordo tgwbs? Great elephants! What a result! Oromin leaps right in and starts making heads spin. Eomer attacks Kitanna. Firefoot rubs her eyes in disbelief ( ;) ). Eomer suggests killing Kitanna then Oromin. dancing spawn delighted by village's decision on Kitanna. Kit dies. Village's morale increases.

[The Saucepan Man]

I must say I am baffled by the Werewolves' pick: why Fea? If anyone was going to attract suspicion now that Nilp is dead, it would be the resident pathological liar. :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Night Four: The advice of the now-deceased Kitanna is heeded and we decide to kill dancing spawn of ungoliant. Eomer at least is very convinced we have the Seer. Her suspicion of Kitanna made little sense to us. Plus, we had decided on this sacrificial lamb policy so we had to follow through with it.

Day Four: O dear. Not the Seer, eh? Silent humiliation as villagers mock the wolves' judgment. Vows are made about catching the Seer very soon (true). Elf-warrior is killed and this baffles us, though in a good way. Why he attracted so much suspicion? A complete mystery....Eomer votes for Oromin (who is still not perceived to be a wolf by the village!)

Night Five: Oromin is very amused by her continued survival. Eomer is sure that Kath is the Seer (see her insistence on Oromin's guilt) but he has nagging doubts about littlemanpoet. Realises that, if littlemanpoet is the Seer, then he must die immediately. Kath probably won't dream about Eomer tonight so we can afford this.

Day Five: Oromin finally dies! But the plan has not worked out as well as we would have liked, not at all actually. There is much suspicion around Eomer. He is very worried by this.

Night Six: Lhuna is making me think that she might be the Seer. If she is then so be it: we've lost. But, I have a very good feeling that Kath is the Seer.

Day Six: Eomer actually shouts out in joy when he finds out that Kath was indeed the Seer. Saurreg inadvertantly saves me (I believe) by attacking Mormegil. Eomer not really at his best today. Makes a less than convincing vote for Mormegil. Morm just knows I'm the wolf; I'm glad he's dead. Morm and lmp really had my number and I'm so glad they died just in time.

Night Seven: Encaitare to die. Everyone knows she's innocent anyway. Plus, I think I'd find it easier to manipulate Wilwa than I would Enca (a veteran of Werewolf). But: worrying thing happens tonight. I convince Firefoot to start another DAY immediately. Later realise that this probably clears Lhuna and Saurreg from suspicion because of time zones. Luckily nobody seems to notice, but still rather worrying.

Day Seven: Eomer leaps right in, attacks and votes for Lhunardawen. Saucepan Man later supposes this to be a brilliant strategy but at the time I wondered if I had been too hasty. It had nothing to do with the Sheriffs. At least it was a pretty good assault which no-one really had an issue with. Lhuna changes her mind about me. I feel so bad for her, so sorry sis...

Night Eight: Wilwa the obvious innocent to go. I am thinking that tomorrow will be a really confusing day. A wolf, a cobbler and an Ordo who is losing the numbers game? Surely there will be three deceivers on this day! (Notice that I did not see the absolutely obvious conclusion to be drawn from this scenario - luckily TORE did. :rolleyes: ) I even toyed with the idea of leaving wilwa alive and trying to manipulate her against Estel or Saurreg. Pointless really, I wasn't noticing the simplest solution. Even admitted this to Firefoot! Feel quite embarrassed and silly.

Day Eight: Lo and behold! It was much easier than I thought it would be.

[The Only Real Estel]

I convince Firefoot to start another DAY immediately. Later realise that this probably clears Lhuna and Saurreg from suspicion because of time zones. Luckily nobody seems to notice, but still rather worrying.

Eomer leaps right in, attacks and votes for Lhunardawen. Saucepan Man later supposes this to be a brilliant strategy but at the time I wondered if I had been too hasty.

I did think about the time zones, which further convinced me that you were the wolf - Saurreg had to much evidence against him (I had forgotten about his time zone), & Lhuna couldn't possibly give her kill to Firefoot unless I had miscalculated or she was pulling an all-nighter. I was hoping to do away with Saurreg, though, because I was least suspicious of him (I admit that was partially based on the rough calculation that the odds of him being a wolf twice in a row were 9:225, though of course I couldn't say a gameish thing like that :p); but Eomer forced my hand by voting for Lhuna.

[mormegil]

But: worrying thing happens tonight. I convince Firefoot to start another DAY immediately. Later realise that this probably clears Lhuna and Saurreg from suspicion because of time zones. Luckily nobody seems to notice, but still rather worrying.

I actually picked up on this and at the time it happened I knew that you were online and therefore it fully solidified my belief. I think on something like this in the future we really ought to give at least 8 hours as a minimum.

[The Saucepan Man]

Did no one else work out that, with a known innocent (the surviving shirriff), all the innocent villagers had to do was agree that everyone except the shirriff should vote for one another? That way, either the villagers would guarantee a win (by leaving the shirriff as the sole survivor) or identify the remaining wolf and the cobbler (ie those who refused to play along). With non-retractable votes, this could have ensured a villager win. It was only Eomer pre-empting the situation which prevented this happening, and that should have aroused suspicion.

[The Only Real Estel]

DAY FOUR

Dancing Spawn is gone. What is up with all these darned ordinaries? Oh well. Morm suggests the seer reveals him/herself, I hope they have not dreamed of Eomer or else all is lost. Eomer suggests again that we lynch Oromin - I wouldn't be suprised at all if he was a wolf looking to gain innocent status by voting out both of his fellow wolves. I don't want to kill Oro for at least another DAY, I'd better post suspicions about Lhuna & someone else (#282). Since I'm saying that Oromin is the cobbler & thinking that Elf-Warrior might possibly be a wolf instead of Eomer I'd better propose we lynch Oro first (#284). Wait, I know Oro isn't the cobbler so she is a wolf so I dont' want to lynch her. Remember that! Gah. I'd better post again - 'agreeing' that maybe Oro shouldn't be lynched, I think I'll say I'm suspicious of quite a few people - this will keep the villager's minds busy & I won't run the risk of drawing much attention to any wolf(ves) (#288). Lhuna sounds sincerely innocent. Good, that's the green light I needed to go after her. Lmp points out Enca & Wilwa as sheriffs. Well, EW is going so I think I'll vote for someone who won't be lynched today anyway - Oromin. Lmp is suspicious of Eomer & I? Darn it. I'd be dig some dirt up on him without looking to defensive, I think I'll wait until tommorrow to post it though, that way we can lynch him instead of Oro. Eomer defends me. Cool. So Elf-Warrior was innocent? Good.

Saucey: I think the main thing prohibiting us from that was the wrath of the ModessGodess. Firefoot basically said she didn't want any double lynchings, so, although they were discussed briefly a few times, we never carried any out.

[the guy who be short]

Lo and behold, the phantom has hacked SpM's account...

[The Only Real Estel]

DAY FIVE

No!!! Not lmp!!! I spent all that time for nothing! We probably could've gotten a free day's worth of lynching by getting lmp but now those blasted wolves have screwed things up. Today I am severely ticked off, my whole case has gone for nothing, although I did post a bit of it at the very start of the DAY. Mormegil again suggests that the seer comes forward, I doubt Eomer will allow it. I try to paint Oromin as a cobbler that can be ignored (to save us one more day) & Lhuna as a wolf (#314). Kath quotes lmp on Eomer & I, that has got to stop, & quick. I defend Eomer, then try to take the villagers minds off of the wolves temporarily by reminding them of the Cursed Villager (#317). Oromin will probably die. Oh well, we bought some time. Mormegil grows more suspicious of Eomer & I, storm coulds are gathering. If Eomer kills Morm during the night it will be linked back to one of us so I'd better point out a possible setup now, I think I'll cast a few shadows of doubt around by questioning Morm about his early voting (#322). Now Lhuna questions Eomer & I, things are looking badly. Eomer defends our behavior in a fairly sincere way, I am not convinced but I hope the others are. Oro is definitly gone, why does Saurreg vote for Wilwarin now that it's been generally established that she is one of the sheriffs? Hmm. Ah, I was right, Eomer doesn't want the seer to come out, although he says he's pretty sure he knows who the Seer is...I guess we'll find out if the seer goes the next NIGHT or not. Brought up the possibility of Oromin being a sheriff in an effort to possibly gain her another DAY, but mostly to cause a bit of confusion. Firefoot posts earlier than I thought she would, I don't vote. Darn, we're down to one wolf & a cobbler. I doubt we'll be able to pull this off, if Eomer is about to go I'd better forget my strategy & get myself lynched that day, though I don't know how I'd do it.

PM to Firefoot:

Wow, I thought this game would be over a few days ago. To bad about Oromin, despite what "the other wolf" said it hurts to lose one this late in the game (Some cobbler I turned out to be, I cast suspicion on Kitanna early & voted for Oromin the first day! ).

Still, I'm hoping that Eomer is the final wolf, in which case him consistently staying on Oromin will help his cause.

Now that the game has reached this point I need to start causing some confusion & hopefully directing some suspicion to some innocents. Unfortunately, I can only hope that they are innocent. Saurreg is an easy target because of his confusing speech & early vote - an early vote like that would be a ridiculous thing for a wolf to do, so I'm attacking him a little hoping that he's innocent. Hopefully I can pacify Mormegil by putting him low on my suspect list...I need to stay alive for two more lynchings if at all possible so I can vote for myself on the last DAY, that way the wolf will get an easy majority by voting for me & we will win. Of course I'll look like an idiot for trying to stay in the shadows if a wolf gets hung before then .

If only the wolves hadn't wasted a night on lmp, I had nearly an airtight case against him that I was ready to post as soon as the DAY started - then I found out he was dead. *Sigh*

If Eomer or Mormegil (but especially Eomer) is the wolf than I think we stand a good chance of winning - if not I have no idea what will happen because I'm pretty much banking my entire strategy (such as it is) on the hope that Eomer is the wolf. Well, we'll see what happens, hopefully we can get Lhuna hung since she is suspicious & probably is not a wolf.

-Estel-

Apoligies for the length. :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I have told him via PM but I should really make this public: Estel was certain I was a wolf all the way through; I, on the other hand, considered him to be a gullible ordinary villager to play off of! :D

[The Only Real Estel]

Oh well, Eomer. It means that absolutely no one suspected me of being a Cobbler. :p Though I see I was a bit too assuming when I told Firefoot "I think he would've picked up by now that I'm the cobbler." ;)

DAY SIX

Kath is dead. So Eomer did know who the seer was. Eomer brings up Lhuna being a cobbler, she's my main lynching candidate. Saurreg votes early, I plan to use that against him, but it's also good to see some suspicion being directed towards Mormegil. Still, I think I should create some sort of suspect list with Morm close to the bottom - if I don't show signs of suspecting him (like I began to do yesterday) maybe he will lay off of Eomer & I (#339). Ah, although Morm admits that Eomer & Estel could be acting very wolvish but he mostly thinks we are innocent (for now). Either my list ploy worked or something else did, I don't care much which. Lhuna suggests a Eomer/Estel alliance - may it never be! :p Hopefully I can use this to 'show' that she is trying to shift attention off of herself. Eomer again lightly suspects than quickly acquits a villager, this time it's Saurreg. Looks like Mormegil will go; I'm going to, once again, cast my vote for someone who won't be lynched today - Lhuna. I make up a good case against her just for good measure so I can use it the next DAY (#361). Post my 2000th post on the wolf thread. Yay. Eomer & I start to theorize on the Cobbler's possible motives. I use this to hopefully get through to him that I am the Cobbler, though I drop no real hints (he didn't pick up on it); & to 'show' that Lhuna must go next round or else all will be lost, barring a lucky (unlucky to Eomer & I ) guess on the villagers part. Morm is dead. Good.

DAY SEVEN

Not much here. Enca is dead, which is a smart move because not only is she a known innocent, but from what I remember Wilwarin will be very limited in the time she has today. Eomer says "I am not a double-bluffing wolf." I still bet that he is. Although I suppose it could, techinically, be Lhuna or Saurreg. But they both look to guilty & we all know Wilwa is innocent. Ah, a quick vote from Eomer, I am now convinced again. I was hoping to go for Saurreg for a few reasons, not the least of which the sheer odds of him being a wolf twice in a row. Oh well, Lhuna it is. I throw in my "anyone who doesn't vote for Lhuna I would be very suspicious of" line just for good measure. Our early voting will probably make us both look guilty, but all we need is for one person to join us & the village will be done for. Lhuna proclaims me "the greatest double-bluffing wolf of all time" & votes for me (that would make a good sig!). Eomer covers for me a bit, hopefully it will be enough. Wilwa votes for Lhuna. Barring a colossal mistake from Eomer the village is done for. At least I am still 80% sure that the wolf is Eomer but his pleas of innocence are so convincing that I am at least 20% unsure. I wish I could've gone after Saurreg. Lhuna is dead & she was no wolf. *Whew. It is now obviously Eomer but as long as he doesn't screw up & kill me at night it's over & done.

Two PMs to Firefoot that show I'm getting a bit nervous:

Well, once again I'm hanging all my hopes on Eomer. Lhuna acts like a wolf, which is why she's an easy target, I just hope she's not the wolf otherwise I'll look horrible as a Cobbler. I was going to bring up Saurreg because, although I don't have time to go back & get the exact # of participants in the last two games, just saying there were 15 villagers in each game the odds of him being a wolf twice in a row are roughly 9:225 - so I doubt he's the wolf & I probably couldn't go wrong voting for him. Still, if Eomer is the wolf I have to go along with him...I just hope I'm not wrong!!!

We only need one more vote for a majority so I guess we'll find out soon...cross your fingers.

-Estel-

p.s. Wow, I feel like a turncoat.

This one comes after further review of Eomer's 'innocent pleas' & before Lhuna's confirmation as an innocent:

Darn it. I've been reading some of Eomer's posts & it does seem like there is less chance of him being the wolf than I thought...gah, the suspense is killing me. Maybe I should've gone after Saurreg after all...let the second-guesses begin!

-Estel-

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

No. Absolutely blind to your hints! Which is a real shame because they really were rather excellent. I wish I could say that I picked up on these subtle clues but I really didn't.

[the guy who be short]

I was going to bring up Saurreg because, although I don't have time to go back & get the exact # of participants in the last two games, just saying there were 15 villagers in each game the odds of him being a wolf twice in a row are roughly 9:225Ah, but you know that the probabilities are independant each time, so he had exactly the same chance of being a wolf as anybody else...

[The Only Real Estel]

Eomer, the problem with subtle hints is they might just be innocent comments that you've read too much into. And as a wolf that could be especially disastrous! Besides, it worked out, fortunately. I also said at one point that I was not the seer - I didn't want to be killed during the night on suspicion of being the seer, & I figured that even if you didn't catch any of the hints as long as I defended you somewhat you'd keep me around.

TGWBS, although what you say is true I still would not expect someone to ever be a wolf, say, three times in a row. Being one twice in a row wouldn't be such a trick, but that still partially played into my thinking...just like the fact that Eomer hadn't been a wolf yet was one small piece in my "Eomer=Wolf" puzzle. ;)

My last PM to Firefoot (after Lhuna's confirmed innocence):

...it looks like I was right...or at least right enough. As long as the wolf doesn't stupidly kill me our victory is nigh! *insert the evil smiley that we no longer have*

-Estel-

p.s. I should come up with some sort of spiteful in-character final post...I suppose I should think about that.

DAY EIGHT

Wilwarin was killed, Eomer did not screw up. My only challenge is to get my post in before anyone screws up my plan by voting. Fortunately, I worked it all out the night before so it was a simply job of copying/pasting. I post a final "in-character" post, Saurreg posts, Eomer wishes my soul rest & avenges his fallen comrades by voting for me. Saurreg is slain by Eomer & I trot of to my house, where I complete the only successful lynching of the village & am still hanging there, swaying in the dusty wind...

[Durelin]

I swear I realized at 1 o'clock in the morning after I had PMed Firefoot on Night 3 that I had made a very big mistake... And guess what? Something told me I should've said I wanted to kill Eomer....blast!

[The Elf-warrior]

TORE, at the time I was killed I would have put you on the bottom of my suspicion list just above the shirriffs. Eomer would have been next up. I'm sorry, all of you whom I wrongfully suspected. In retrospect I'm glad I voted for myself instead of Kath or Lhuna And Lhuna, I wish I hadn't changed my mind. :(

[The Saucepan Man]

Saucey: I think the main thing prohibiting us from that was the wrath of the ModessGodess. Firefoot basically said she didn't want any double lynchings, so, although they were discussed briefly a few times, we never carried any out.Given that it was not specifically prohibited, I would have thought it to be a risk worth taking in order to win the game.

Lo and behold, the phantom has hacked SpM's account...Hehe. Re-reading that post, I suppose it did sound rather phantom-ish. Excuse me while I go and have an ego reduction. :D

[The Only Real Estel]

Given that it was not specifically prohibited, I would have thought it to be a risk worth taking in order to win the game.

I suppose it wasn't specifically prohibited but kind've an understood prohibited. Well, either way I obviously didn't want any multiple lynchings to get going. I suppose if someone would've seriously suggested it I probably would've 'reminded' them of a rule against it that really didn't techinically exist. But it probably would've been enough.

[Lhunardawen]

Day Seven: Eomer leaps right in, attacks and votes for Lhunardawen. Saucepan Man later supposes this to be a brilliant strategy but at the time I wondered if I had been too hasty. It had nothing to do with the Sheriffs. At least it was a pretty good assault which no-one really had an issue with. Lhuna changes her mind about me. I feel so bad for her, so sorry sis... :mad: :mad:

Dear big bro, you're wondering why I suddenly dropped my suspicion of you on my last Day? See my siggie.

I second the person (tgwbs?) who said that Eomer would never live beyond Day 1 after this game.

Well, well, Eomer. Congratulationsh. You have shuksheshfully made it alive to Day 4. Though I have a feeling we will regret you ever made it thish far. Now that the game has ended, this statement has me in stitches.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I second the person (tgwbs?) who said that Eomer would never live beyond Day 1 after this game.
I'll third it. You guys let him live for the first time and what does he do? Go and kill you all. :D :p

Oh yeah... I forgot that I'd marked Kitanna so early. No wonder you guys killed me. :rolleyes:

[littlemanpoet]

I never did answer Eomer why I so strongly suspected The Elf Warrior.

I think it boiled down to two good reasons and one bad one (sorry to have to admit):

1. He "protested too much", and since he was a rookie, that stood out to me. "I'm not a werewolf." "I'm innocent". Very many posts included that. It set my suspicion antennae going.

2. He defended Wilwarin at a time when both he and Wilwa were on my suspect list. Now, I could have surmised from it that these two might be shirriffs, which actually might have made more sense, but onto my third bad reason.

3. I didn't know Elf Warrior that well, whereas I'd gotten rather familiar with Eomer, Feanor, Guy, Oddwen, Morm, Wilwarin, and many others who have either played the game before or I'd had contact elsewhere on these boards. That was not the case with Elf Warrior, and I fell to a natural (and illogical) suspicion of unknowns. My bad. Lesson learned. :p

4. Oh. And he didn't play along with my astrology roleplay, so I was ticky-poohed with him on that score too. Make that TWO bad reasons. :p :p

[Lhunardawen]

Plus there was dancing spawn's observation that he was confident of Kitanna's wolvery yet he voted for Kath.

[littlemanpoet]

Well, that's true. One thing I've found in my werewolf gaming, though, is that voting patterns really don't say very much about who werewolves are. Heck, my own voting patterns were highly suspicious! :eek: Just ask Eomer! :p And I was innocent!