Werewolf IX: the Saga Owns You and You Know It

[Folwren]

Glirdan, I had no hand in your hanging.

Azaelia, before you go, I would like you to know that I honestly have no hard feelings against you, except that I think you're killing many of my neighbors. If you are innocent in truth, then know now before you go that had I had anyway of knowing of your innocence, I wouldn't have voted the way I had.

-- Folwren

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Understood and agreed. No hard feelings for anyone after this mess is cleaned up.

The same goes for you, Glirdan...I voted for you in an attempt at self-defence. If you're innocent, like everyone else I've had the misfortune of voting for, forgive me?

[Glirdan]

Ya. It's just a game after all. No hard feelings anybody.

[The Saucepan Man]

Voting is closed. Double lynching will soon be posted.That is generally understood to mean no more posts until to-Morrow ... :rolleyes:

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

[Quote=Sauce] That is generally understood to mean no more posts until to-Morrow ... :rolleyes:

Ah, but she didn't say posting was closed, and this is, after all, quite an unusual situation...

[Glirdan]

Ah, but she didn't say posting was closed, and this is, after all, quite an unusual situation...

I'd say. I just want to see what my death is like. Make it cool Enca. But no matter what you do, I'll be happy with it. :)

[Encaitare]

"Kill them!" the villagers cried, caught up in the bloodlust of a double lynching. "Don't let the filthy beasts live a second longer!"

"So, who shall we get rid of first?" they asked themselves.

"Ladies first," Glirdan said nastily to Azaelia.

"I am innocent," she said, holding her head high.

"Innocent until proven guilty," the villagers said as she was led up to the gallows. "And the only way to prove it is right up here."

"Don't forget the flowers," Azaelia whispered just before the floor dropped out. The villagers winced as they heard the sound of her neck snapping. She had been as innocent as she had claimed all along.

"Cut her down quickly! If she wasn't a werecreature, he must be!" But where Glirdan had once stood was now an enormous bear. The villagers screamed and backed away as he growled at them. Words were just discernible in his snarls: "You can't kill me! Just go ahead and try!" The villagers thought it was certain death; the creature was huge and could easily maul them or take their heads off with a single swipe of a massive paw.

"Get out of the way!" Folwren the blacksmith cried, throwing a knife he had crafted. It stuck in the Beorning's shoulder; the creature bellowed but was far from defeated. "Take these!" Folwren shouted to the villagers, distributing weapons of his own making. Blades flashed as they were embedded in the bear's flesh. But all the attacking simply seemed to stir him to greater wrath. Several villagers were tossed aside like rag dolls or slashed by his claws. Finally, though, someone got a lucky shot and threw a blade directly into the Beorning's forehead, and he went down.

The villagers were shaken, and in some cases slightly injured, but still alive. "I've got azaeleas in my garden," said Kath quietly.


Living:

Folwren
Shelob
Holbytlass
Meneltarmacil
WaynetheGoblin
wilwarin538
Durelin
Saucepan Man
Kath
Cailín
Nilpaurion Felagund
Gil-Galad


The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1
Bergil (Ordinary Villager) - Crushed under the gallows on DAY 1
SamwiseGamgee (Ordinary Villager) – Killed by Hunter on NIGHT 2
TGWBS (Hunter) – Impaled by Wolves on NIGHT 2
Kitanna (Cobbler) – Given a TV closeup by Black Beorning on NIGHT 2
Alcarillo (Ordinary Villager) - Dismembered by villagers on DAY 2
Mormegil (Shirriff) - Charmed by Black Beorning on NIGHT 3
The Phantom (Seer) - Rendered blind by Wolves on NIGHT 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Ordinary Villager) - Lynched by villagers on DAY 3
Glirdan (Bear) - Pincushioned by villagers on DAY 3

It is now NIGHT 4. Wolves may PM. I need names from the Wolves and Ranger.

[Encaitare]

The villagers assembled in the square feeling that they had achieved a victory. No longer would there be two corpses waiting for them each morning. Yet they realized that their number was still dwindling, and they would have to do their very best to catch the Wolves, all three of which were still alive. And indeed, someone was not among them that morning: the Saucepan Man.

His home was near the dark woods, since he often ventured into the thick forest to search for rare mushrooms. Warily eyeing the woods, which were foreboding even in the daylight, the villagers entered his home.

The living room looked completely normal. In fact, everything looked too normal. The villagers decided to poke around a little bit. There were several items from Saucie’s fungus collection scattered about, and a tray of stuffed mushrooms was on the table. A few paring knives were safely in the wooden rack. But upon closer inspection, they saw that the rack was stained with something dark. They pulled out the knives to see that the Wolves had not even bothered to clean their murderous weapons.

“There’s got to be a body around here somewhere,” one villager said. But there was nothing under the table, or behind the couch. Nor was there a body in the other rooms of the small house.

“What about in that big cabinet?” someone asked.

“I don’t think so,” another responded. “That’s where he keeps all his mushrooms. Would a body fit in there?” They pulled open the door just to check. And lo and behold, there was the body of the Saucepan Man, wedged onto a shelf between the jars which held his wares.

Most of the flesh and muscle had been carved from his body so that what remained glistened sickeningly at the villagers. And a sign hung around his neck: “We made you a little snack.”

Slowly, the villagers turned to look in horror at the platter of mushrooms stuffed with a special Sauce.


Living:

Folwren
Shelob
Holbytlass
Meneltarmacil
WaynetheGoblin
wilwarin538
Durelin
Kath
Cailín
Nilpaurion Felagund
Gil-Galad


The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1
Bergil (Ordinary Villager) - Crushed under the gallows on DAY 1
SamwiseGamgee (Ordinary Villager) – Killed by Hunter on NIGHT 2
TGWBS (Hunter) – Impaled by Wolves on NIGHT 2
Kitanna (Cobbler) – Given a TV closeup by Black Beorning on NIGHT 2
Alcarillo (Ordinary Villager) - Dismembered by villagers on DAY 2
Mormegil (Shirriff) - Charmed by Black Beorning on NIGHT 3
The Phantom (Seer) - Rendered blind by Wolves on NIGHT 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Ordinary Villager) - Lynched by villagers on DAY 3
Glirdan (Bear) - Pincushioned by villagers on DAY 3
The Saucepan Man (Ordinary Villager) – Stuffed into mushrooms by Wolves on NIGHT 4

It is now DAY 4. Converse!

[Gil-Galad]

hmm... my thoughts on Saucey being too helpful were right, the wolves hit him off probaly because they are afraid of Saucey finding them out, i initally beleived that Saucey was a wolf because he seemed like the too helpful villager... now i must wait for other comments...

[Folwren]

I actually guessed that the Sauceman would be the next dead. The wolves knock off the smart people at night, and vote for the innocent that are being picked on already during the day.

The wolves have crippled us. Crippled us to a point that I have no idea how we're going to make a come back. Saucepan Man was smart and expierenced. Who else here playing is like that? I'm not experienced. On a normal bases, I'd claim to be smart, but I've proved myself a fool again and again this game. Kath may be helpful, but I still slightly suspect her, but not enough to press anything. Shelob is sensible, and I don't think she's guilty of anything. Nilp, thank goodness, is known to be good. He's seemed smart in his commens around the Downs.

Menel, now, is back to the top of my list. For a bit, he knocked me off his trail because of his vote for Azaelia because I thought that she was guilty. But now that she is proven to be innocent, Menel’s vote makes sense if he were a wolf. And last night he voted for Shelob - a name that had not come up in anyone suspicious list (that I remember) ever before. He had never mentioned her. I am almost sure that Shelob is innocent. For him to vote for her brings even more doubt to my mind about him.

We must be very careful. We have two gifted left to us - Nilp, the Sherriff - and the ranger. I have made a guess in my mind who the ranger is, but I won't say for fear that the wolves decide to pick up and make a wild stab in the dark and I be right. We've got to talk today, people. We have to talk. Our choice must be made carefully today lest we kill another innocent.

We have roughly twenty-two hours. Let us use them well.

-- Folwren

[Meneltarmacil]

Folwren, I voted for Azaelia because it was basically between her and Alcarillo at that point. Between the two, Alcarillo seemed the most innocent at the time because killing tgwbs would imply that he was a Wolf, something an actual werebeast would usually avoid, so I voted for Zali on that basis.

I suggest taking a look at some of those who voted for Zali yesterDay.

Holbytlass: As I said before, she was apparently convinced of Glirdan's innocence, and he turns out to be the Bear. She is most likely a misguided innocent, though, as nobody except possibly the phantom would really have known he was the Bear.

Folwren: Tough call, but your vote did cause the innocent to die along with the Bear. I'm not as suspicious of you as I am of others, though.

As for the others, I still suspect Kath and Shelob, Kath for taking lighthearted accusations against me seriously and continuing to stand by it though I have already explained myself at least once, Shelob for jumping on Kath's bandwagon.

[Meneltarmacil]

Another suspect on my list is Gil-Galad. He's been extremely quiet this whole time and voted for Saucepan yesterDay, who turned out to be innocent.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Menel:
Folwren, I voted for Azaelia because it was basically between her and Alcarillo at that point. Between the two, Alcarillo seemed the most innocent at the time because killing tgwbs would imply that he was a Wolf, something an actual werebeast would usually avoid, so I voted for Zali on that basis.

That's a reasonable excuse. I'll take it for now and won't push my doubts on people any further until we've heard from some others today.

Folwren: Tough call, but your vote did cause the innocent to die along with the Bear. I'm not as suspicious of you as I am of others, though.

Yes, I know it caused her to die along with the Bear. I've been turning that over in my mind since she died. I thought that both she and Glirdan were as guilty as one another...I mean, I suspected them both the same amount and when Glirdan was beyond saving, I figured I'd get rid of her, too. For, really honestly, she looked guilty.

If we hadn't killed her, she would have been suspected today, too, and we might have wasted our votes and time on her. I'm sorry she's dead, but she couldn't have proved herself innocent today and things might have gone the same way today and gotten us no further. So perhaps my vote, wicked as it may appear, saved us time.

Now, what I'm wondering is why you suspect Shelob? Any particular reasons? We need all the reasoning we can possible get today.

Anyone who doesn't talk today I will highly suspect, people. It's a dangerous stage of the game for both innocents and wolves - wolves because they may give themselves away if they talk, and really give themselve away if they don't - and innocents because if we lynch another of our own, we only help the wolves.

- Folwren

[Meneltarmacil]

Now, what I'm wondering is why you suspect Shelob? Any particular reasons? We need all the reasoning we can possible get today.

I suspect Shelob because she quickly picked up on Kath's suspicions of me and continues to accuse me. It is very much in the nature of a werewolf to bandwagon, and she is doing a good job of it. Though I also suspect Kath for starting that whole thing. (I have said most of my reasons for suspecting these two a couple of posts up.)

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Menel:
I suspect Shelob because she quickly picked up on Kath's suspicions of me and continues to accuse me. It is very much in the nature of a werewolf to bandwagon, and she is doing a good job of it. Though I also suspect Kath for starting that whole thing. (I have said most of my reasons for suspecting these two a couple of posts up.)

Okay, then. I'll look over that and see what can be found.

-- Folwren

[Gil-Galad]

i've always been suspicous of Saucey because of his helpfulness, everyone beleives that hes inocent cause he helps out, so thats what i thought...plus i got school yo

[Cailín]

Ai, Saucy lost to our village now too. This is getting more and more painful.

*begins incoherent rant*

If I learned one thing these last few days, it is that you can't trust anyone. You may want to trust them, because they appear to make sense while you have no idea what's going on. But reasoning seems to be the best mask to hide behind during these perilous days and nights.

The thing is: if the wolves are clever, and the villagers have no idea what's going on, trying to be reasonable seems to be of little help. We have been voting off innocents one by one these past few days and the wolves could easily hide behind the confused villagers. They did hardly have to go through the trouble of saving each other and making schemes, for we did all the dirty work for them. YesterDay I was almost certain we were looking at the wrong set of people. Today, I'm sure. We are pretty damn lucky Glirdan turned out to be the bear - the wolves were probably rubbing their paws with glee expecting the doublelynching of two innocents - and not all hope is lost yet. But if we want to change our fortunes, we will now have to free ourselves from the traps the wolves set where we so easily fell into. We must not forget the wolves are now at a major advantage. They are in no danger of the bear anymore. Most of the people they consider a threat are gone. And we're all clueless.

I'll be back in about two hours to make a rather more extended post featuring all my revolutionary accusations. For now: take care all of you.

*incoherent rant ends*

[Cailín]

Here goes:

So, now we know a lot more people to be innocent, I think we should go back to the voting on day one. Just to make things less complicated I will consider Glirdan a known innocent on our side as well, since he would not really gain anything by voting for people he thought not to be wolves and has just as much knowledge about wolf-identities as the rest of us.

Alcarillo-3 (TGWBS, Wayne, Sauce)
Bergil-5 (Alcarillo, Wilwa, Holbytlass, Glirdan, Azaelia)
Meneltarmacil-1 (Kath)
Kitanna-1 (Gil)
Glirdan-2(Cailin, Kitanna)
Kath-2(Menel, Mormegil)

Not much to go on here. Most of our known innocents voted for other known innocents. Wilwa and Holbytlass went with Bergil but no real conclusions can be drawn from that. But the Kath against Menel thing started this day and I think that's interesting to have a closer look at.

Kath, both you and Shelob seem to want me to explain myself. May I ask why you suspect me?

My accusation of you at the beginning was completely random and based on nothing more than me looking at the list of names and choosing the three that jumped out at me. However, once I had picked you I realised that there were quite a few others that felt the same. It seemed odd that a lot of people would have the same suspicion and so I looked to you to explain or defend yourself ...

I guess I will hold that I find Menel suspicious, if for no other reason than a gut feeling. Sometimes you just have to trust your own instincts. Why trusting those has kept me alive so far.

You can see that the accusations concerning Menel are based on no more than gut feelings and light-hearted reactions getting out of hand. So I must insist not to accuse Menel today just because he has been on the radar for a long time. The accusations that all started it are meaningless. It makes Kath look slightly suspicious. She is not the Seer and has been on Menel's case from the beginning. Really strange. That’s not saying we should not accuse Menel, but not for these reasons.

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Night 2 follows and we lose our Hunter & Cobbler, plus TGWBS takes another ordinary villager down with him. Note that looking back, this is our first clue to the werebear's identity. Glirdan was accused by Kitanna the day before and since he was only aware of his own innocence, I think both me and Kitanna were on his to-slay list this night.

Gil immediately jumps on Azaelia's case here. Werewolf behavior? Rather rash, then, but somehow I think Gil would always be rather rash.

That certainly seems to be the case today. Although some seem to be picking on only some of the villagers who voted for Bergil.

*Glares at Gil-Galad and WaynetheGoblin*

Why didn't you include Glirdan in your list, Gil. And why did you only mention wilwarin and Alcarillo, Wayne?

This would now suggest a Holbytlass - Wayne pairing. Could be a possibility and surely would explain Wayne's silence for Holby would have warned him to shut up after his multiple strange comments, as I’ll get back to later.

Holbytlas voted for Bergil to put him ahead of Alcarillo and Kath on the votes. Much the same applies as with wilwarin, with the added possibility that, if Kath is a Wolf, Holbytlas might have been voting to save her.

Holbytlass, Kath, Wayne trio, anyone?

If Alca is innocent, then the only way a vote for Bergil looks suspicious is if Kath is a werewolf. It was right after Kath received her second vote (tying her for the lead) that Bergil took the lead.

We now know only Holbytlass might be suspicious because of that and she said she was planning to vote Bergil from the beginning. The lynching of Alca this day was not very helpful after all.

If I were to judge from the timing Holbytlass or Wilwarin would be the least suspicious as they both un-tied the Bergil count. Wolves (and even the bear) would probably have liked having a tie on the first day, so long as their names weren't on the tied list.

True, true. Very interesting. However, Wilwa voted too soon to be going for a tie and Holbytlass might be trying to save Kath. Anyway, Shelob defending Holby and Wilwa here is sort of suspicious since especially Holby does not look good after this voting session. So here we have minor evidence of a Shelob - Holby - Wilwa connection. Also, we now know that of the people who voted Bergil on day one, Holby and Wilwa are the only ones who could still be suspicious.

For the record, I also regard the following as suspicious (as I did yesterday):

Meneltarmacil
Kath
Shelob

If TGWBS's death was an attempt to set up Alcarillo, then it is worth looking at those who have been gunning for Alcarillo to-Day. I would say that this applies to the following:

Gil-Galad
Azaelia
Folwren and
Glirdan.

Even though he is no longer here to help us, SpM gives two very interesting lists on Day 2. The first being interesting because at this point there was still no pressing to lynch Alcarillo at all. At this point his (and other people's) main suspects were ones we still can regard as possibly suspicious.

The second list is interesting because this might be exactly what the wolves were rejoicing at. Alcarillo's set up was maybe transparent, but not this! They knew that if Alca was killed today, a lot of innocents would be targeted next. Just because of this, though it may seem as a contradiction, I think Folwren and Gil might be just as innocent as the other two (Glirdan being not exactly innocent, but he was in the eyes of the wolves).

If you go back to post 107 saucey said I only put 2 people on my sucpect list.That is because thats all I suspected then. Now I suspect the same as saucey.

This is strange! Right after the Saucepan Man gives his new list consisting of Gil etc. Wayne changes his mind, without stating why. If Wayne is a wolf, now we know Wilwa, Gil and Folwren are innocent.

Looky here, man, if it turns out that they are not in league with one another, and they are both innocent villagers, or, better yet, one or both of them is gifted, you've just possibly given ground for people to suspect you.

Remember when Morm brought up the idea the phantom & SpM working together? This aggressive speech now speaks a little for Folwren's innocence. Surely a wolf would have sat quietly and enjoyed the growing suspicion among innocents?

Yes I accused him (Menel) but I have explained the reasons behind this before.

No, Kath. It now appears you haven't. You are taking an awful lot on gut feeling. Please explain.

Not so. I don't want to be linked with mormegil because I suspect him. I'll happily be linked with various others that I believe to be innocent.

Though I seem to be making a case for Kath being a wolf here, I think this needs to be mentioned too. It's strange Kath would have enstranged herself from morm so much if she was a wolf and knew him to be innocent. On the other hand, he kept accusing her and she would have made herself look more suspicious if she had still aligned with him.

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So, we've reached the voting on day one. As SpM said, he wanted the wolves to get a bit of a work out. So, at the point of his vote:

Alcarillo - 3 (phantom, Cailin, Folwren)
Azaelia - 2 (Wilwa, Morm)
Wilwa - 1 (Holby)

And he votes Menel. Kath quickly follows. Then Gil votes, putting Alca clearly in the lead. Glirdan increases the distance between Alca and the others. So does Azaelia. Shelob stops the band wagon, voting Menel. Now instead of saving himself once and for all, Menel votes Azaelia. Risky – especially if he’s a wolf and knows Azaelia is innocent. Azaelia was already in no danger of being lynched, so he did not try for a double lynching of two innocents. Durelin casts a useless vote on Folwren and Alcarillo is lynched.

Now why Glirdan killed Morm the following night is still a mystery to me, but maybe he tried to throw off suspicion. The wolves decide the phantom is too dangerous and rob us of our Seer. Bad night. Very, bad night. Let's look at the day.

But I do think at least one of them probably voted for Alcarillo yesterDay, possibly Folwren or Gil-Galad.

This would be very tactical indeed if Menel was a wolf. He does not accuse our proven innocents, but instead the ones we still have doubts about, making a connection between him and them unlikely.

Shelob makes an interesting post then.

My guess would be that either the phantom was hitting to close to home for the werewolves to feel comfortable, or that they were just trying to get rid of someone who was, to them, a nuisance and, to the rest of the village, a help.

The silly thing is, the phantom was extremely far from home at this point. Almost the only ones he found suspicious, we now know were innocent - most prominent among them Azaelia and Glirdan. Also Shelob is accusing Glirdan in this post... This could be a very subtle nudge in the direction of the doublelynching of Azaelia and Glirdan.

The discussions that day are so confusing and would take me too much time, so that I will go straight to the voting:

Nilp: Glirdan
Wilwa: Glirdan
Glirdan: Gil
Kath: Menel
Cailin: Glirdan
SpM: Azaelia
Shelob: Menel
Menel: Shelob
Durelin: Azaelia
Holby: Azaelia
Gil: SpM
Azaelia: Glirdan
Folwren: Azaelia

So both Shelob and Kath are voting for Menel here, making it likely and believable they should do so again today. It is rather reckless for two wolves to be aligning with each other like that, but not impossible.
Menel himself votes Shelob, thus doing everything not to save himself. He is one suicidal wolf if he is one, but maybe he just knew Kath and Shelob would not get support from others.
Durelin and Holby both vote for Azaelia, Holby even stating she wants to give the wolves a work out. A work out or a doublelynching of two innocents (since she likely cross posted with Durelin).
Gil casts a rather strange vote on SpM here. Again - are the wolves trying to set him up by killing SpM tonight, or is it a double bluff, or totally unrelated. My guess would be the third option.
Folwren finally decides a double lynching is in order. Suspicious? Yes. Evidence? No. As SpM said, he'd have done so himself.

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Today:

Folwren: Tough call, but your vote did cause the innocent to die along with the Bear. I'm not as suspicious of you as I am of others, though.

In the eyes of the wolf, both were innocent. We are just lucky.

OK. My entire thought process is up here. I am sure you are all bored out of your minds right now. For the ones who don’t want to read all ramblings – here’s a simple list of the ones who I suspect the most.

Kath
Shelob
Holby
Wayne

I have doubts about Gil, Wilwa and Menel. The others are not really high on my suspect list right now.

I am aware I have included none of my own quotes in the above essay-like post. I must admit there’s also some evidence pointing towards me right now. All I can say I’ve been trying my best to help this village since the beginning and certainly am now, since I feel it will soon all be over – for the better or the worse.

[Kath]

So yesterDay I was likely to be the Bear and toDay I am probably a wolf in league with either Holby, Wayne or about three others that Cailin mentioned. Oh well, at least I was right about Azaelia being innocent.

Now as to my reasons for suspecting Menel I did post them. I wrote a whole long post with everything I thought in post 150. I don't think that Menel ever really responded to any of what I said and so I will still suspect him.

However, I am beginning to agree with him about Shelob. I hadn't really taken it into consideration before but if she were a wolf it would be quite helpful to hang onto me. I have become more loud as of late and so she never needs to explain her suspicions of Menel since I have already done so. Also I suppose, if I were lynched and found innocent then she might be considered innocent by default.

I'm sorry I'm not quite ready to do a full ananlysis of everything yet, it took me long enough just to find that old post of mine! I will be back later when I'm a little more awake and more people have posted.

[Cailín]

So yesterDay I was likely to be the Bear and toDay I am probably a wolf in league with either Holby, Wayne or about three others that Cailin mentioned. Oh well, at least I was right about Azaelia being innocent.

I never seriously thought you were the bear, I was just suggesting, not immediately persecuting and towards the end of the day you had already convinced me - as you can see in the post where I not quite so seriously stated the bear might be trying to frame you. Same as anyone innocent in this village, I can't trust anyone and taking all previous posts into consideration, I found I could make a small case for you. Nothing personal (though if you are a wolf, it is ;) )

Now as to my reasons for suspecting Menel I did post them. I wrote a whole long post with everything I thought in post 150. I don't think that Menel ever really responded to any of what I said and so I will still suspect him.

I read that post and some of the things, especially the last statement does make sense - though I think he just voted for you as a response to your vote - by the by, most of the people seemed to be making constant u-turns on day one. Anyway:

Yes I accused him but I have explained the reasons behind this before.

It was more these reasons I was concerned about - that's to say, I did not see the reasons to begin with.

However, I am beginning to agree with him about Shelob. I hadn't really taken it into consideration before but if she were a wolf it would be quite helpful to hang onto me. I have become more loud as of late and so she never needs to explain her suspicions of Menel since I have already done so.

True, this is also the reason why I found her so suspicious.

I'm sorry I'm not quite ready to do a full ananlysis of everything yet, it took me long enough just to find that old post of mine! I will be back later when I'm a little more awake and more people have posted.

I hope more people wake up soon. Tis been awfully quiet here. Again.

[wilwarin538]

I would like to explain the lack of vote from my brother(Wayne). He was outside with his friends and lost track of time. At about 7:25 EST he rushed into the house realising what time it was and jumped on to his computer. He wrote out his post(a vote for Glirdan) but once it was posted it showed up after Enca's post which closed the voting, he decided to just delete it.

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We got the bear, that is amazng. Now we have one less death to worry about. But we also lost Zali, that broke my heart when I saw she was an innocent since I had voted for her on DAY 2. We have also lost Saucy, he was very smart and he would have definetly been able to help us. The wolves have definetly weekened us, but we could still win. But if we lynch a villager for the next three days, the wolves win. So we have to get those wolves and fast, if we lynch to many villager before getting a wolf then we are doomed.

I think we should look at what Saucy posted here:
Top suspects: Azaelia and Glirdan. Azaelia edges it on the evidence and because I still have this nagging feeling that Glirdan is simply guileless.
Secondary suspects: Holbytlass, Folwren, Kath, Gil-Galad and Shelob.
Don’t knows: Cailín, Durelin and WaynetheGoblin.
Probably not Wolves: Meneltarmacil and wilwarin.
Definitely innocent: Nilpaurion and The Saucepan Man.

We will just desregard the mention of Azealia. He was right about Glirdan though.

I agree with a bit of this. Though for me I would switch Menel's name to Top suspects, Shelob to I don't knows and Holby I feel is innocent. Folwren also to Top suspects.

So mine would be:

Top suspects: Meneltarmacil, Folwren
Secondary suspects: Kath, Gil-Galad
Don’t knows: Cailín, Durelin and WaynetheGoblin, Shelob
Probably not Wolves: Holbytlass
Definitely innocent: Nilpaurion and wilwarin538

So I think that I will eather vote for Folwren or Menel. If you want to see my reasons go read Saucy's post, the one that had that list in it.

[Cailín]

Soo *is feeling loud today*


I think we should look at what Saucy posted here:

I'm not too sure. All SpM's theories were more or less based on the assumption that Azaelia was a wolf. But she wasn't.

I agree with a bit of this. Though for me I would switch Menel's name to Top suspects, Shelob to I don't knows and Holby I feel is innocent. Folwren also to Top suspects.

But why? Referring to speculations is not really enough right now. Why Menel, because he voted for Azaelia? May I remind you, you did the same. As did many others, almost all of us thought she was guilty. Why do you feel Holby is innocent? And what about Folwren?

I realize I'm all over you here, but we need some opinions and if you are a wolf I am very much trying to catch you off-guard, of course ^^. In the same post Saucy says you're cleared if Azaelia is a wolf, but you're not. You are one of those who have voted for three known innocents in a row, disregarding your vote for Glirdan who might have been an innocent for all you know or care, if you are indeed a wolf.

So mine would be:

Top suspects: Meneltarmacil, Folwren
Secondary suspects: Kath, Gil-Galad
Don’t knows: Cailín, Durelin and WaynetheGoblin, Shelob
Probably not Wolves: Holbytlass
Definitely innocent: Nilpaurion and wilwarin538


Fair enough.

Mine:

Top suspects: Shelob, Kath
Secondary suspects: Wilwa, Wayne, Holby
Don't knows: Menel, Durelin, Gil
Probably not a wolf: Folwren
Definitely innocent: Nilp, myself

But am reconsidering every post :p

[wilwarin538]

Originally pposted by Me
If you want to see my reasons go read Saucy's post, the one that had that list in it.

That's where most of my reasons are. I know Saucepan was wrong about Azealia, as we all were. I was just using his post as an example because it covered everyone.

He was suspicious of Holby cause she seemed "to innocent". Well I do think she is innocent. I just have a good feeling about her. Actually almost all of my thoughts are just gut feeling. I have a bad feeling about Folwren, but what Saucy said about Folwren helped it along a little. Menel, well Menel is suspicious of people cause they're suspicious of him, I don't like that.

[Holbytlass]

*waking up, rubbing crud from my eyes*

I thank those who do lengthy analyzing posts, never have been good at that myself, it always gives one something to think about and go back and check.

As for me (and has been my defence all along), I usually state before voting begins, who I'm going with, therefore I don't count up the votes and try to save anyone. Yesterday, in the beginning of the day, I was propably going to still go with Wilwarin, but then with Nilp proclaiming his being the shirrif and trusting his analysis and trusting SpM with his keeping the wolves on their toes, I voted for Azaelia (thinking I'd be the second one, but cross-posted with a couple of people). I'm innocent, the only 'dirt' on me is....well, you know.

I'm going now to dig through this pile of stuff and see who's thoughts might be on target.

[wilwarin538]

Originally posted by Holbytlass
Yesterday, in the beginning of the day, I was propably going to still go with Wilwarin,

Alright now I'm confused. Early in the Day yesterDay you said you weren't suspicious of me, but now you're saying you would have probably voted for me?

If this sounds to defensive its cause I am very confident of your innocence Holby but that comment is starting to make me doubt how confident I should be. Its almost like you are saying that to make up for the fact that you voted for Azealia.

[Durelin]

Well, I was wrong about quite a few things...time to figure things out all over again.

I still have my eye on Folwren, and I find wilwarin to be suspicious.

Unfortunately, I am l0w on time, so I w!ll have to return l4ter to be more h3lpful...

[Kath]

Oh this is getting so confusing! I can barely remember who's alive let alone who hasn't posted yet! I'm going to ignore accusations coming my way unless there is something I feel I should respond to because I have been thought of as suspicious from very early on and if I haven't proved my innocence to people by now I doubt it's going to happen.

So, quick analysis of people:
Folwren - Still not entirely sure about her. That sudden defence yesterDay gave me pause for thought and though she has explained her reasons for that, well I just don't entirely trust her. I suppose my new suspicion regarding Shelob is going to give her cause to suspect me as well.

Shelob - I have become suspicious of her recently thanks to Menel's comment on her bandwagoning, but then it seems silly to agree with the opinion of someone I so deeply suspect. Therefore Menel will stay top of my list but only if he is proved an innocent will I think Shelob is innocent.

Holbytlass - I have been accused of being in some kind of partnership with her because I haven't mentioned her much. But then, I haven't suspected her so far. She says she'll post again with more thoughts and I'll think more about her after that. But saying that, I wanted to wait for something more susbstantial yesterday and it never arrived. I would like some more from her if possible.

Meneltarmacil - I'm sorry Menel but I just don't trust you. You can say I took some lighthearted comments too far and that you have explained your innocence but you are still wolvish to me.

WaynetheGoblin - Well we have heard little from him and he missed the voting though wilwa has explained that. We all gave him the benefit of the doubt for being a newbie but I think we need to hear a deal more from him soon otherwise I am going to have to go against my own advice and become suspicious of him because he has barely said anything.

wilwarin538 - I can't get any feeling on her. While I don't feel suspicious of her I am wary of thinking of her as an innocent. The thing is that while she suspects me she also agrees with a lot of what I say (if not consciously). Her suspect list is similar to mine.

Durelin - Well we have heard nothing from her today so again, I'll wait to pass judgement.

Kath - Well at least you all know I'm not the Bear now! An innocent in my view.

Cailín - We have heard a lot from her today and that was nice. The very long post on Day 1's voting though confused me completely! But I don't think she's guilty of anything aside from making me read a really long post when I wasn't that awake.

Nilpaurion Felagund - An innocent Shirriff, surprisingly not dead yet.

Gil-Galad - We really have not heard much from him, and everything he has posted has been next to useless. He agrees with whatever the current theory is and votes for whoever the current suspect is (that I recall). If we don't hear something pretty susbstantial from him today he is going to go on my susect list.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I thank wilwa for explaining wht happend yesterday. My suspect list is MENEL SHELOB AND GIL.

[WaynetheGoblin]

This is what I think. Top suspect SHELOB GIL AND MENEL. Secondary suspects KATH AND CAILIN. Dont knows DURLIN AND WILWA . Probly not a wolf FOLWERN. Defently not a wolf NILP AND WAYNETHEGOBLIN.

[Gil-Galad]

Cailin is on my suspect list... he/she has stated her/himself as innocent and tried to bring a focus on Folwren

also, Kath, i didn't join in the current thoery, i got suspicous of Saucey because of his helpfulness to the village and that can be a great cover for a wolf, your comment on me isn't truthful, maybe your a wolf trying to get me into trouble? also school started so don't expect me too post every hour, i had Kitanna and saucey as my suspects, nobody else did and when i voted for them, nobody else did

[Meneltarmacil]

Let's see here...

As I've said before, Gil-Galad is on my suspect list. He's been very quiet and voted for Saucepan yesterDay. One thing that really strikes me as odd is that he is quite loud in his defense of himself, though his vote really has not generated nearly as much suspicion as that of others who voted for innocents, and these others haven't been as loud as Gil has in their defense. Yet I can excuse him for now. I'll most likely vote for Kath or Shelob today, probably Kath as she seems to recently be having trouble explaining why she doesn't trust me.

My list of suspects will be coming soon.

[Folwren]

Today's been very confusing for me, I must say. I'm glad more people are talking, but I've been working (and working hard at that) all day and it's been hard to keep up. There have been a lot of accusation. Cailin has said a lot, that's great, and a few others have said a considerable amoun.

Wayne, please express why you think the people you listed are guilty.

Durelin and Wilwarin, why do you suspect me?

And, everybody, I've noticed that a lot of people are suspecting Kath. I had a lot of doubt of her two days ago, and some yesterday, but even less today. The more I think about the matter, the more I think it would be a very, very dangerous and an extremely bad thing to get her lynched. A very bad thing.

My suspects...none right now for certain. I have a lot of thinking to do before I make a list and explain why.

-- Folwren

[Kath]

i had Kitanna and saucey as my suspects, nobody else did and when i voted for them, nobody else did
So Gil you voted for different people, I apologise I was going from memory. So why does that statement make me really suspicious of you? It's weird, I'm thinking, oh so he knew who two innocents were, that means he must be a wolf. Which is a bit of a silly thing to think but then, why? You could be a wolf with this inside knowledge.

Oh and Menel I am still absolutely sure why I think you are suspicious, for the exact same reasons I did two days ago. You will be my vote again today I should think unless I have a sudden revelation about you being inncocent - unlikely.

My suspect list at the moment is going:
Menel
Gil
Folwren

They are the most suspicious to me at the moment but I am waiting to hear from Holby and Durelin before I decide whether they need to go in there anywhere.

[Cailín]

I'm slightly annoyed we have not heard from Shelob yet, since she is so high on my suspect list right now.

Hmm more posts to analyze. First of all, Gil's brain seems a bit muddled. He accuses me (I'm a she, by the way) of bringing focus to Folwren, while I think I had far more to say about Kath, Shelob, Wayne and some others. It's all very suspicious.

Folwren - I more or less agree about lynching Kath. Though I still have doubts about her, it's not worth the risk today. She is one of the most helpful people around now and I don't want this village to become more silent than it already is.

Wilwa is slowly growing more and more suspicious in my mind. Somehow, her first post today triggered something, though I am not sure what it is yet.

If Wayne is a wolf, he's likely to kill himself in his confusion. He may live for now. ;)

Right now, I'm leaning towards voting Shelob or Gil, whose votes have been so random they can't be random. Though Kath and Holby are still lingering somewhere in my mind in the shapes of snarly, hairy things - right now, I feel we might still need them. And they may be innocent.

Kath - sorry for making you read that very, very long post. I'm glad I only had to write it. :p

[Shelob]

I'm slightly annoyed we have not heard from Shelob yet, since she is so high on my suspect list right now.

*cough (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=412354&postcount=1267)*

And I just got back (clearly) a little more time so I can read/type is all I ask.

[Shelob]

Firstly,

You may want to trust them, because they appear to make sense while you have no idea what's going on. But reasoning seems to be the best mask to hide behind during these perilous days and nights.

Cailín seems to warn us off trusting those who "appear to make sense" because that's a good mask for the wolves to hide behind. Yet today more than any other day Cailín speaks. The past few days she's spoken but as the game has progressed she has seemingly become more and more outspoken, a fact which is strange only because the ammount she speaks seems to be inversely related to the number of 'loud people' remaining.

This boarders on being a direct accusation of Cailín, but think about it. Slowly as the 'loud people' we're all used to listening to and arguing/agreeing with are killed off Cailín slips herself nicely into their old places. Finally when they're all gone she warns us off trusting people who seem to make sense because it's likely they're wolves hiding behind usefull, sensical suggestions while at the same time making sense and useful, sensical suggestions.

And you all trust her.

Only Gil-Galad has suggested that Cailín is suspicious and that was because she said she was "innocent and tried to bring a focus on Folwren", something which (given Folwren's vote for Azaelia yesterday) is not particularly suspicious. True a wolf would likely try to sway us towards a suspicious looking villager, but so would any villager who found that person significantly suspicious looking.


To address Menel (for reasons other than Kath's stated), I still think he's a wolf. Yes, you could argue that if he is a wolf he's behaving in an amazingly risky fashon, and that because he's behaving thusly he's not a werewolf. But I think you're wrong. Never yet has there been enough suspicion on Menel for him to be seriously facing a lynching, if he's a wolf he must have realized this. The next step would be to assume that if you're not really in danger voting as if you were in danger (ie: to save your own skin) would guarantee that the next DAY you did draw a dangerous amount of attention. Villagers though would, in their clear consciousness, not see the need for voting so that their vote didn't look suspicious. For a villager the point is to vote so as to lynch those most likely to be wolves, not to vote so that their voting record looks innocent.


As it is I find both of them to be very suspicious right now. As to whom else could be a wolf, I'm not sure. I have a strong inclination to think that we should be fearing those quiet people like Wayne and Gil who have basically sat back and allowed the villagers to do the wolves work for them, somehow I just feel that only the quiet benefit from killing off the loud--and allowing the remaining talkers to lynch themselves.

[Cailín]

And you all trust her.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up and was slightly surprised it did not happen before. I must say I do contradict myself a little - but really now. While the outspoken ones are killed off one by one, silence seemed to have fallen on our village this morning. There were so few replies when I woke up, so much less than previous days, that I started to worry. This game needs debating or there is no way we can catch the wolves except on sheer luck or voting behavior. If there is no one else around, I will have to speak up. Also, though this might be a weak excuse in some eyes, I am a newbie. During this game I slowly grew more confident and dared to voice my opinions a bit more (and especially in more extended ways).

Anyway - if I were that smart a wolf, I would not have made that first post, but kept to reasoning alone. As I said, I expected to get comments on this. With the first post, I was just trying to make clear that I felt we have been heading in the wrong direction for a couple of days now. That it was time to make a u-turn.

I can't say more than this. I can't actually prove I'm innocent, but I hope you will all believe I'm trying to help here.

--

Gil is drawing a lot of suspicion right now. Subtle, or as a secondary suspect by most. Since 33% of us is now wolfish, I find this similar way of thinking disturbing. I can't stay awake much longer (*yawns*), but I'm still hoping to get some more posts to work with...

[Meneltarmacil]

Much as I find it hard to trust Shelob, she does have a point about Cailín. She's probably innocent, but if Shelob somehow doesn't turn out to be a Wolf, I'll find it hard to trust Cailín.

Okay, the list I was going to make:

Primary Suspects: Kath, Shelob
Secondary Suspects: Gil-Galad, Folwren
Don't Know: Holbytlass, Cailín, wilwarin538, Durelin
Probably Innocent: WaynetheGoblin
Definitely Innocent: Nilpaurion Felagund, Meneltarmacil

[Shelob]

I'm sure the wolves find it helpful that you all have the same list:

"Primary Suspects: exactly the same as everyone else
Secondary Suspects: the same as everyone else
Don't know: the same as everyone else and the person I coppied this from
Probably innocent: the same as everyone else
Innocent: Nilp and insert my name here"

When it comes time to vote all they have to do is go with the flow and they're invisible. (and yes, I exagerated it a little, the middle three rows do shift between you, just not a whole lot)

For myself I'm keeping Menel and Cailín at the top of my list, though I'm willing to bet that only one of them is really a wolf. I'm really worried about those who rarely speak (Wayne, Gil-Galad and to an extent Durelin), and I don't really know what to think of everyone else.

Finally, as much as I dislike you all having the same list, I will conceed that the line

"Innocent: Nilp and insert my name here"

holds true for me.

[Cailín]

I would love to wait up a little while longer and see where this all ends, but my schedule tomorrow really prevents me. So, I will have to be the first one to vote today.

I am not voting Gil, since so many people seemed to want to bandwagon. Also, I will not be voting for Wilwa right now, though I definitely suspect her too.

I'll stick to my previous thoughts and vote

++SHELOB

even though, if she's innocent, it's likely I'm next.

Edit: cross-posted with Shelob herself.

[Holbytlass]

Wilwa, I didn't mean to confuse anyone let alone one who thinks I'm innocent, I was just putting down what I was thinking. You won't be disappointed in your confidence of me.

Innocent: Holby Nilp Wilwa Kath(I know what some of you are thinking :rolleyes:, and Wayne

that leaves:Cailin Folwren Durelin Shelob and Meneltarmecil

Gil-Galad: obviuosly first for his too quietness. He's susp of Wayne, Bergil, Kittana, Azaelia, Alca, Wilwa, Holby and Glirdan. Votes Kittana 1st day, Alca 2nd day but then out of nowhere he votes SpM 4th day because of his too helpfulness and the wolves kill SpM that night. No, it's not a set-up, it's a bluff because were-Gil would already know the line-up of the wolves strategy of killing off smarties, thereby setting up an aliby of a set-up.

Menel: for his all over the board and his insistance that Kath is guilty. But I agree with him on Shelob so I think he's trying to distance himself.

Duerlin: bceause of her uncharacterisitic quietness

the other three I'm just not sure on.

[WaynetheGoblin]

Gil-galad has been very quiet he is on the top of my suspect list.

[Kath]

Wayne, you have been very quiet. By your reasoning you would be on everyone's suspect list. Could we have a little more of an explanation please?

[WaynetheGoblin]

Ok gil menel and shelob post the least that is why I suspect them. Im a hunted spirit go me.

[Kath]

Ok gil menel and shelob post the least that is why I suspect them.
Actually Wayne, Menel and Shelob post quite often. Any other reasons there?

[Holbytlass]

++Gil-Galad

I gotta go, gotta doo

[WaynetheGoblin]

Kath your right they do post a lot.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I think I will vote for my higest suspect ++GIL-GALAD.

[wilwarin538]

This is why I am suspicious of you Folwren:
Originally posted by Saucy
Folwren:
Unduly anxious about looking suspicious for having voted for Alcarillo, when she had not really been accused. Overly defensive?
Didn’t vote on Day 1 (which I still regard as supicious).
Voted for Alcarillo on Day 2 to put him ahead of Azaelia. But is now strongly accusing Azaelia.

But I did rereaad your posts, and I think I might have exagerated a little. You are now only a secondary suspect for me and Gil has taken your place. Wayne has also moved up on my list, which is now:


Top suspects: Meneltarmacil, Gil-Galad
Secondary suspects: Kath, Folwren, WaynetheGoblin
Don’t knows: Cailín, Durelin, Shelob
Probably not Wolves: Holbytlass
Definitely innocent: Nilpaurion and wilwarin538

I think I wil vote for:

++Gil-Galad

Don't really feel comfortale bandwagoning, but oh well. :rolleyes:

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I think I've waited long enough to vote.

++Shelob

I've already explained my reasoning.

[Shelob]

I'm caught between Meneltarmacil and Cailín, however given that I've got more arguments against Menel while Cailín has only recently (ie: today) begun to worry me I'll cast my vote for
++MENELTARMACIL

(Edit: Cross posted with Menel)

[Kath]

You could all see this coming. The reasons have been explained before so:

++MENELTARMACIL

[Encaitare]

This is your five-minute warning. Four of you have not voted, but if you do so now the lynching could really go to anyone.

[Encaitare]

Despite the fact that Gil-Galad had received but three measly votes, the majority ruled and it was time to find out whether he was really a wolf or not.

"You can't do this! I'll sue you for all you're worth!" he shouted as he was forced onto the gallows.

"That's not much, pal," the villagers said wryly. The tumbleweed from DAY 1 rolled through the derelict town in agreement.

"I'm not a wolf! And since I'm not a wolf, there'll be more deaths! And then I'll sue you all in the afterlife!" he carried on. His bird squawked, proividing accentuation to each exclamation point.

"Lawyers," the villagers muttered. But Gil wouldn't shut up, as lawyers are wont to do. Finally, someone picked up a rock and chucked it at him. The others followed suit, crying "Stone him! Stone him!"

And they did. And much to the chagrin of the villagers (and the delight of the wolves), Gil-Galad was nothing more than an ordinary villager. But he did get his revenge. For as the villagers went back home in the orange light of the setting sun, three of them got a little present from Gil's bird on their shoulder.

Living:

Folwren
Shelob
Holbytlass
Meneltarmacil
WaynetheGoblin
wilwarin538
Durelin
Kath
Cailín
Nilpaurion Felagund


The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1
Bergil (Ordinary Villager) - Crushed under the gallows on DAY 1
SamwiseGamgee (Ordinary Villager) – Killed by Hunter on NIGHT 2
TGWBS (Hunter) – Impaled by Wolves on NIGHT 2
Kitanna (Cobbler) – Given a TV closeup by Black Beorning on NIGHT 2
Alcarillo (Ordinary Villager) - Dismembered by villagers on DAY 2
Mormegil (Shirriff) - Charmed by Black Beorning on NIGHT 3
The Phantom (Seer) - Rendered blind by Wolves on NIGHT 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Ordinary Villager) - Lynched by villagers on DAY 3
Glirdan (Bear) - Pincushioned by villagers on DAY 3
The Saucepan Man (Ordinary Villager) – Stuffed into mushrooms by Wolves on NIGHT 4
Gil-Galad (Ordinary Villager) - Stoned to death by villagers on DAY 4

It is now NIGHT 5. Names from the Wolves and the Ranger, an it please ye.

[Encaitare]

Nine villagers gathered in the square.

Eight were the number counted by one villager, until he remembered to include himself.

Seven of them were shivering in the chill of the autumn morning, except for the two who had remembered to bring a coat.

Six eyes tried very carefully not to betray a gleam of happiness at last night’s successful killing.

Five noses were running due to the cold.

Four handkerchiefs were all they had between themselves, and no one was willing to share.

Three crows flew overhead.

Two dead leaves, the very last ones, fell from a skeletal tree.

One villager was dead, and his name was Nilpaurion Felagund.

~*~*~*~*~

Half full was the glass of water on Nilp’s table – although most of the villagers perceived it as half empty, and they had every right to do so.

The villagers realized in horror that a full third of their number was lupine.

The Shirriff’s body had been quartered, and the pieces were scattered.

One quarter was nailed to the wall of each corner of the room, and the fifth piece, the head, was in the dead center of the room.

The villagers left the house in a grim silence that enveloped them all.


Living:

Folwren
Shelob
Holbytlass
Meneltarmacil
WaynetheGoblin
wilwarin538
Durelin
Kath
Cailín


The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1
Bergil (Ordinary Villager) - Crushed under the gallows on DAY 1
SamwiseGamgee (Ordinary Villager) – Killed by Hunter on NIGHT 2
TGWBS (Hunter) – Impaled by Wolves on NIGHT 2
Kitanna (Cobbler) – Given a TV closeup by Black Beorning on NIGHT 2
Alcarillo (Ordinary Villager) - Dismembered by villagers on DAY 2
Mormegil (Shirriff) - Charmed by Black Beorning on NIGHT 3
The Phantom (Seer) - Rendered blind by Wolves on NIGHT 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Ordinary Villager) - Lynched by villagers on DAY 3
Glirdan (Bear) - Pincushioned by villagers on DAY 3
The Saucepan Man (Ordinary Villager) – Stuffed into mushrooms by Wolves on NIGHT 4
Gil-Galad (Ordinary Villager) - Stoned to death by villagers on DAY 4
Nilpaurion Felagund (Shirriff) – Quartered by Wolves on NIGHT 5

It is now DAY 5. Do your stuff!

[Meneltarmacil]

More innocents dying every day, and we haven't caught a single wolf. The situation is getting really desperate now.

The wolves killed Nilp, which doesn't leave a lot of tracks to follow. However, Gil-Galad was lynched yesterDay, and a wolf may have been among those who voted for him. These would be WaynetheGoblin, Holbytlass, and wilwarin538. I really don't see anything too suspicious here, though I have expressed some doubts as to Holby's innocence before and this adds another reason to doubt her. Wayne I have pretty much taken for granted as an innocent villager just trying to stay alive, though I may be wrong there. As for Wilwa, the voting was quite close, and she happened to be the one who put in the third vote for Gil. She's a little suspicious in my mind, but not as much as others.

Kath and Shelob, once again, have tried to get me lynched, and are still at the very top of my list. Again, one of them will probably receive my vote by the end of the Day.

[Folwren]

Confound it all, ranger, why aren’t you doing your job? Of all the people left in this village, who did you think needed your protection? Who other than Nilp? Well...too late now. *ferocious look around the villager’s faces*

I am down right sorry that I wasn’t here last night. I figured that it was going to be Gil-Galad or myself that was lynched last night. It’s a sorry sight indeed when one finds that his guess is correct. I knew well that Gil-Galad was innocent, and I think that the people who voted for him new it, too. There was at least one wolf who helped hang him, and I think there were two.

My main suspects today are Wayne and Holby. Wayne for his blatant and obvious attacking on Gil for no reason other than his silence, a thing which he himself is quite guilty of, and Holby for her incessant, dumb reasoning for the people who she suspects and who she doesn’t suspect. Gil-Galad has done absolutely nothing this game to deserve a vote from any right minded villager.

There are other reasons but I have absolutely not time to explain.

I have no idea if I will be able to vote again this evening. We are having desperate computer troubles and may not even have a computer tomorrow. I will try my best, however, to not only vote, but also read what people say and say stuff myself.

- Folwren

[wilwarin538]

Confound it all, ranger, why aren’t you doing your job? Of all the people left in this village, who did you think needed your protection? Who other than Nilp? Well...too late now. *ferocious look around the villager’s faces*

Well the ranger can't protect the same person twice. The ranger probably protected Nilp the first day we knew he was the shirriff and couldn't protect him again. He/she probably tried his/her best, we can't get angry at the only gifted left who can help us.

I have to go to school now but I will come on with my suspicions later.

[Holbytlass]

Day 1
1. Shelob for the phantom (TP - 1)
2. TGWBS for Alcarillo (TP - 1; Alcarillo -1)
3. Alcarillo for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 1; Bergil - 1)
4. Wilwarin for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 1; Bergil - 2)
5. Wayne for Alcarillo (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2)
6. Kath for Meneltarmacil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1)
7. Gil-Galad for Kitanna (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1)
8. Cailin for Glirdan (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1)
9. Menel for Kath (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 1)
10. Mormegil for Kath (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
11. Holbytlas for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 3; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
12. Glirdan for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 4; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
13. The Saucepan Man for Alcarillo (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 4; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
14. Kitanna for Glirdan (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 4; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 2; Kath - 2)
15 Azaelia for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 5; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 2; Kath - 2)
16. Durelin for The Saucepan Man (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 5; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 2; Kath - 2; SpM - 1)

Did not vote:

Bergil
Folwren
Nilpaurion
SamwiseGamgee
The phantom

Day 2
The phantom for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 1)
Cailin for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 2)
Mormegil for Azaelia (Alcarillo - 2; Azaelia - 1)
Wilwarin for Azaelia (Alcarillo - 2; Azaelia - 2)
Folwren for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2)
Holbytlass for wilwarin (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1)
SpM for Meneltarmacil (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 1)
Kath for Meneltarmacil (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Gil-Galad for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 4; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Glirdan for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 5; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Azaelia for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Shelob for Meneltarmacil (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 3)
Meneltarmacil for Azaelia (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 3; wilwa - 1; Menel - 3)
Durelin for Folwren (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 3; wilwa - 1; Menel - 3; Folwren - 1)

Did not vote:
Alcarillo
Nilpaurion
WaynetheGoblin

Day 3
Nilp for Glirdan (Glirdan-1)
Wilwa for Glirdan (Glirdan-2)
Glirdan for Gil (Glirdan-2, Gil-1)
Kath fir Menel (Glirdan-2, Gil-1, Menel-1)
Cailin for Glirdan (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-1)
SpM for Azaelia (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-1, Azaelia-1)
Shelob for Menel (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaeleia-1)
Menel for Shelob (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-1, Shelob-1)
Durelin for Azaelia (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-2, Shelob-1)
Holby for Azaelia (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-3, Shelob-1)
Gil for SpM (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-3, Shelob-1, SpM-1)
Azaelia for Glirdan (Glirdan-4, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-3, Shelob-1, SpM-1)
Folwren for Azaelia (Glirdan-4, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-3, Shelob-1, SpM-1)

No vote: Wayne

Day 4
Cailin for Shelob (Shelob-1)
Holby for Gil (Shelob-1, Gil-1)
Wayne for Gil (Shelob-1, Gil-2)
Wilwa for Gil (Shelob-1, Gil-3)
Menel for Shelob (Shelob-2, Gil-3)
Shelob for Menel (Shelob-2, Gil-3, Menel-1)
Kath for Menel (Shelob-2, Gil-3, Menel-2)

No vote: Nilp, Gil, Durelin, Folwren

[Kath]

No vote: Nilp, Gil, Durelin, Folwren
Oh now that's interesting. Nilp and Gil we know to be innocent but I have been suspicious of Durelin and Folwren for working together. Now I am not so sure. It seems likely that at least one wolf would vote for Gil. Of course, this is based on my assumption that Menel is a wolf. If he would just die so we could see either way it would make things a lot clearer!

Speaking of Menel:
Kath and Shelob, once again, have tried to get me lynched, and are still at the very top of my list. Again, one of them will probably receive my vote by the end of the Day.
So, you will be voting for one of us, because we are voting for you. Not particularly helpful to the village, just going after us as some kind of revenge.

Still, the lack of voting from Durelin and Folwren is odd. Argh! I am having such trouble with this, everything everyone does looks suspicious in some way. I have no 'known' innocents in my head except myself, just people I can't get a feel on and those I feel could be guilty.

No idea:
WaynetheGoblin - too confusing at the start and such a sudden change from being loud to being quiet. Missing votes and having no reasons for the votes he does make. It all points to a rookie wolf but I just can't see it.

wilwarin538 - I read her posts and get nothing, I don't suspect her but I can't exonerate her because she is too, almost ambiguous.

Cailín - has steadily become louder but as a first timer (?) this could just be her confidence naturally increasing so again, nothing on her.

Holbytlass - again I can't see her as suspicious, which is exactly why I shoudl suspect her I feel.

Could be guilty:
Folwren
Shelob
Meneltarmacil
Durelin

More when I've had a chance to think.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Wilwarin:
Well the ranger can't protect the same person twice. The ranger probably protected Nilp the first day we knew he was the shirriff and couldn't protect him again. He/she probably tried his/her best, we can't get angry at the only gifted left who can help us.

I had no idea she couldn't protect the same person twice. My apologize.

By Kath:
Argh! I am having such trouble with this, everything everyone does looks suspicious in some way. I have no 'known' innocents in my head except myself, just people I can't get a feel on and those I feel could be guilty.

Yes, I know how that is. That's who I was yesterday and one reason why I didn't vote the last time I was on. I wanted to think more on it, but by the time I'd thought and when I got back to the computer, I was too rushed to get on (our internet gives us problems and doesn't work quickly at all).

I have nothing more to say until other people talk.

-- Folwren

[Holbytlass]

TGWBS was killed last night by the wolves...why? I didn't read all of Day 1's talking because I have little time to do so, so I don't know what all he said. But TGWBS is smart and observant, and if the wolves are smart, too, they'll knock down all the intelligent people. Stating the wolf-strategy?

Could you please explain to me why killing TGWBS would set up Alca?
Because the only trail that TGWBS did leave points towards Alcarillo. You yourself have accused Alcarillo on the basis of TGWBS‘s death. If Alcarillo is innocent, the Wolves would have known that TGWBS‘s death would lead to such accusations against him and make him (rather than a Wolf) a likely candidate for lynching to-Day.
I can't say I agree that to kill TGWBS was an attempt to frame Alcarillo, though many others have mentioned this. (And you'll laugh at me when it's made clear that Alcarillo is one of my main suspects because of his death.)
Folwren claims to not understand the set-up to Alca but uses it for his suspicions of Alca.

Quote:Originally Posted by Folwren
Looky here, man, if it turns out that they are not in league with one another, and they are both innocent villagers, or, better yet, one or both of them is gifted, you've just possibly given ground for people to suspect you.

They are indeed both very smart, and possibly very dangerous for the side that they oppose...but I have not found anything in either of their posts to be doubtful of. It is possible that one is a wolf or bear, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that both are.

- Folwren

That was a rather vehement defense for somebody other than yourself.
I think Folwren is trying to get on with Morm, to hang with an innocent.


Horros, horrors, HORRORS! How can we survive? This is insane! Last night I wast haunted in dreams of Alcarillo swinging in his correct form from the gallows. Our Seer gone...Mormegil gone (poor chap, I liked him). Alcarillo, dead and innocent, proved many of us wrong. And now because of his death, many of us may be suspected for his vote.
If I am killed, I will be one more good person dead and I will be leaving no trails to help you find who the evil are.

As I recall very few people have been suspicious of Folwren so it seems odd for her to give a defence just out of the blue like that. I agree, Folwren seems over the top when a person he votes for is found to be innocent, wants understanding and then cries 'wolf' whenever anybody else has voted for someone who turns out to be innocent.

Folwren's voting record isn't all that great either!
Day1- no vote (but says he doesn't understand why wolf's would vote for Bergil, now wouldn't that imly those who voted Bergil are not wolves)
Day2-votes Alcarillo (innocent)
Day3-the infamous vote that put 2 people on the block (one innocent, one lucky to be the bear)
Day4- no vote again (again cries 'wolf' to those who voted Gil, when he knew him to be innocent)

sorry that I wasn’t here last night. I figured that it was going to be Gil-Galad or myself that was lynched last night. It’s a sorry sight indeed when one finds that his guess is correct. I knew well that Gil-Galad was innocent, and I think that the people who voted for him new it, too. There was at least one wolf who helped hang him, and I think there were two. Weird that Folwren wasn't here when he thought himself to be lynched. What I think is, since Folwren knew Gil to be innocent, he didn't try to save him by at least voting.

s today are Wayne and Holby. Wayne for his blatant and obvious attacking on Gil for no reason other than his silence, a thing which he himself is quite guilty of, and Holby for her incessant, dumb reasoning for the people who she suspects and who she doesn’t suspect.

I do laugh at this, it may be true my reasoning is dumb, but manners dictate that one doesn't say it out loud. Or use a synonym or innuendo, 'unhelpful' unfounded' 'nreasoning'etc...

To sum up why I Folwren is now at the top of my suspect list....
poor voting record
overly defensive
overly offensive (in manners and pointing fingers)

[Cailín]

First of all I apologize for my lack of posting today. First day at college tends to be a little stressful. I am shocked to find hardly anyone had said anything today yet. We're not giving up yet ^^

Anyway, I voiced my worries last night about Gil's lynching when I noticed how many people 'sort of' felt Gil was suspicious, without emphasizing it too much. I feared the day would end like this. Wolves won't really start a lynch-an-innocent campaign right now, but they were definitely happy to go along with it.

No vote from Folwren again? This is starting to worry me a little. Surely an innocent would not be afraid to cast his or her vote well before the deadline? Folwren is online a lot, actively posting, but still he seems to be unable to make actual decisions. He also has my suspicions up for contradicting himself quite a few times in this game now.

I still mistrust Shelob for reasons I stated before. Because of that I cannot really believe Menel's guilty, though I could be wrong. One of them has to be a wolf at least. I'm boldly willing to vote for either one today. As long as a majority of innocents feel somewhat alike, we might have a chance.

Wilwa I don't really trust either. If you look at her voting behavior - she has voted for known innocents all the time and I found her vote for Gil yesterday particularly suspicious. She said she did not feel comfortable bandwagoning - but she did and did before. Like Kath, I don't find any solid evidence in her posts, but I can't feel good about her either.

I think Holby might be innocent. Durelin I really don't know.

Kath is a problem. She seems to trust me a little and because of that I feel more inclined to trust her. But that's not really a good thing, I suppose. Right now, purely on intuition, I don't think she is a wolf. She has been too strong about her own opinions and keeps insisting to get Menel lynched. Strangely enough, she's the only one in the game who has not voted for a known innocent before. Very good cover, or innocent indeed. Besides, she is about the only one here who still talks.

Come on, my fellow villagers. The wolves are slowly establishing a majority and we need áll your votes and voices.

Cailín - has steadily become louder but as a first timer (?) this could just be her confidence naturally increasing so again, nothing on her.

Indeed, I am a first timer.

Edit: cross-posted with Holby (yup, this post took me that long). She seems to share some of my worries concerning Folwren.

[Shelob]

Today has not been a good posting day, I would have thought for me alone but then we've so little. :( . A warning though, from that, I will have to vote early today, like Cailin I'm begining college today (unlike her it's just one class, and voluntary on top of all my senior work).

As to what has been said, a simple thanks first to Holby for the voting record. It saves me time and this far into the game the voting has got to tell us something. Though it doesn't seem to tell us much.

I would draw though, the self same conclusion that those spoken few have. The Record looks ill for Fowlren.

To Durelin, who with little reason sits like a foggish blight upon my mind, I see no clear and crystal reason to suspect him. Though his silence unexplained does vex me over much.

Wayne, beyond his silence and seemingly light grasp on where we stand (I do post, as was kindly pointed out) my sole reason for suspecting him is ill-feeling. From day one something did not sit well about him and we have shrugged it off, giving Wayne the benefit of being new. I begin to feel that doing such has cost us greatly.

Holby and Wilwa, these two I can find nothing against. They are helpful. I see no reason to really suspect either but at this point should probably be looking closer.

To Kath, she has voted in a way most simple, For Menel. Little can be gleaned from that, though all else she has posted has seemed a help for us.

Cailin, I suspect Cailin. It comes as I have before stated from a fear she has slipped herself into an un-lynchable position. I admit this is most likely newness giving way to expreience, but for her and Wayne both we give them this excuse and thus ignore them. Newness does not, indeed should not, be synonymous to innocence, it does not follow.

Menel, as before he stood so stands he now. I do not trust him. However, given evidence and dire need I shall not vote for him again unless we shall this problem solve for once and ever more.

For myself, what more can I say. You suspect me for following one who made good points, and for adding my points to hers. If that is reason to be lynched than lynch me, people who accuse for that and nothing more deserve the state to which it brings them.


I think strongly, more so than I have before, that we are neither being guided nor manipulated by wolfish plots. I suspect that we have been left to lynch ourselves, with perhaps one wolf giving hints to keep us all in line. From that I would Wayne and Durelin suspect, and since there is little reason not to I think I shall. I will not write all others off my list, nor abandon all suspicions previously held, but from now 'til I again have computer access I shall with that leave you. Hoping for more voice to given be, and that those still silent we may have chance to see.


(Sorry about the way it's written, I just got out of Shakespeare class and that always has a somewhat detrimental affect upon my speech.)

[Kath]

As of now we have only not heard from Wayne and Durelin, unfortunately they are two of the people I feel somewhat suspicious of and so I would prefer to leave any further analysis until I've seen some posts from then. However, what with Wayne's record of appearing simply to list his suspicions (with no reasons) and vote there is little point in waiting for him. In fact this may point to his wolvishness in a purely technical way, if he is online only close to Night rather than through the Day.

Now, I want to lynch a wolf today, but I cannot see how we can be sure of doing that. We all suspect different people and for different reasons, and of course everyone claims to be innocent. My only idea would be for everyone to put who they think is the most suspicious in order, and then for everyone to vote for the person who is most suspected by the most people (if that made any sense). That way, even if the person we lynch is innocent (I sincerely hope not or we are in serious trouble) we can see something from these lists. The problem there would be that the wolves could simply copy the list from an innocent and agree to sacrifice one of their own if need be to hide themselves.

I don't really feel that little plan will work but I thought I'd put it out there just to see how people would react to it.

As of now my main suspect is still Menel, but he is very closely followed by Folwren, and if there are enough people that want to vote for Folwren and few that want to vote for Menel, I will (reluctantly) change my vote so that we can ensure the death of someone we truly feel to be guilty.

As I see it now, people's plans for lynching go as follows:
Folwren - Wayne or Holby
Shelob - Folwren or Cailin
Holbytlass - Folwren
Meneltarmacil - Kath or Shelob
Kath - Menel or Folwren
Cailín - Menel or Shelob

I don't know about wilwarin538, Durelin or WaynetheGoblin yet as they have given no indication of who they will vote for. But that list suggests there there would be more chance of a group vote for Folwren than for Menel, so if the votes do pan out that way you can rely on mine to be for Folwren. I realise that this sounds like bandwaggoning and abandoning my principles but we have to get a wolf toDay or there is practically no chance of us winning.

So far it seems that the wolves have attacked those who were loud, possibly not because they were close in their suspect lists, but because they were listened to by the village. the phantom, SpM, TGWBS and Nilp are all loud people and were all killed by the wolves, and that seems like more than a coincidence to me. If the wolves continue in the vein I would expect either myself, Cailin or Holby to be killed by them tonight. I am possibly least likely to die as quite a few people are suspicious of me but if either Cailin or Holby doesn't die I could become suspicious of them where at the moment I am not.

Anyway, right now my suspect list goes:
Menel
Folwren
WaynetheGoblin
Durelin - with position subject to change depending on her post

[Meneltarmacil]

I too feel it is important that we kill a Wolf toDay. If we cannot, our situation will become even worse and we'll have dug this hole so deep that getting out is next to impossible. Though I do suspect Kath and Shelob more than the others, I am wiiling to let them live if it means we actually do get rid of a Wolf. I will also consider voting for Folwren, as I have noticed (as I mentioned a while back) some rather wolfish behavior from him/her (I still don't know if you're a guy or a girl, Folwren) myself.

[wilwarin538]

As I stated yesterday I am suspicious of Folwren so I will probably be voting for her. Won't do that now, but I will later. I have homework so that's all I can say. :rolleyes:

[WaynetheGoblin]

I am also suspicious of folwern. I also will probely vote for her but I have to do something so I will vote later.

[Cailín]

Folwren is an acceptable choice for me too - though I did not feel suspicious of him (or is it her?) till today. I also am sort of wary we might be repeating what went wrong yesterday - everyone being slightly suspicious of someone and with just a little push on the side of the wolves, again, an innocent was dead at our hands.

Cailin, I suspect Cailin. It comes as I have before stated from a fear she has slipped herself into an un-lynchable position. I admit this is most likely newness giving way to expreience, but for her and Wayne both we give them this excuse and thus ignore them. Newness does not, indeed should not, be synonymous to innocence, it does not follow.

I completely agree and I admit that's why I overlooked Folwren at first as well - his behavior and mine seemed kind of similar. Gradually, though, we adjusted in different ways and he in a way that seemed strange and suspicious to me.
I overlook Wayne because I think - this sounds harsh - if he has had nothing intelligent to say during day, how could he during nights? I don't think that is fair but I'm also unwilling to risk a life of someone whose death would tell us nothing - and Wayne's would not.
I'd be happy to be unlynchable, but I fear I'm not.

Shelob - too bad we don't trust each other. Especially if you are, indeed, innocent as you claim.

but if either Cailin or Holby doesn't die I could become suspicious of them where at the moment I am not.

Dang, if the wolves don't kill me tonight, I will be on tomorrow's lynching list? How is that fair? ;)

---

I'll be back later, hopefully Durelin has posted something by then.

edit: crossposted with wilwa and wayne. Not so sure about Folwren anymore. :(

[Folwren]

Wow, this is looking really bad for not only myself but also for the entire village.

Look, people, I don't know if this is legal or if it's totally against the laws of the game or the laws of the Barrow Downs itself, but I swear upon all that I hold true, that I am innocent. I'll go to court (our lawyer died, unfortuntely) and say it with my hand on a Bible.

Everybody that's posted since Holby's long post against me has said that they think me extremely suspicious and will vote for me. I'm as good as dead if things stand as they are. It will be a bad, bad, bad mistake for you to lynch me.

As Menel said, if you kill an innocent today (which would be the case if you killed me), there's very little liklihood that the villagers will come out the winners.

Before I go, I'd like to explain two things -

I did suspect Alcarillo after TGWBS's death, but that was also adding onto what I'd thought of him the day before. I did not think that the wolves would set something up like that merely because if I had been them, I wouldn't have. I would have been oblivious to the fact that he might be suspected if Guy were killt.

I did not vote last night because I didn't get on the computer after something like two o'clock and I thought I'd be able to get back and vote before leaving for the dance. As it is, I left the computer at two thirty (I posted then, remember?) and then went out to work with my two year old horse. I worked with him until three-twenty, at which time, I took all three horses out to pasture. On our way back, my brother told me that there was thirty pounds of grain lying out on the ground in the corral and the horses were going right down to it to eat it. To leave it there would be murdering my three horses, so I went down and shoveled it all out of there. When I got back, it was four. I had to shower and eat dinner before leaving at four-thirty for our English Country Dance. I got home at ten thirty.

And that's my explenation for last night's absence. I had a good reason for not voting on Day 1, too.............Ah, yes, I told you then. The family went to the river for the afternoon. Left around three o'clock and I didn't get a chance to post before that. Didn't get back until after eight.

If you kill me, do so for some other reason than for not voting, because when I'm dead, you'll want to think you lynched me for something better than that.

-- Folwren

P.S. Oh, I still really, super suspect Wayne.

[Cailín]

Okay. After Wilwa and Wayne's rash posts, I started to reconsider. Everyone seems so eager to be rid of Folwren, there has to be wolfishness involved. Of course, the wolves would make themselves just as suspicious by refusing, but I fear Folwren might be not the right choice tonight (little to do with his/her spirited defence of himself, I might add).

I'm never going to get support for Shelob but there's another one some of us would lynch. And that would be Menel. Now, Menel would not be my first choice but I am willing to go along with it, since he has provided us with nothing but quite a shady defence at least.

This will not make me look any better, I fear, and I still think Folwren could be the wolf we're looking for. But since I neither trust Wilwa nor Wayne and they are both so quickly to jump on the band-wagon, I dare not vote Folwren tonight. I think Menel would be the better option, specially since it will say a lot about Kath's and Shelob's positions.

What say you?

[Kath]

Damn she's good! I was almost convinced there and I'm really not sure now if she is the right person to lynch! Everyone suspects her but that is almost a bad thing. Wayne and wilwa are now giving me real pause for thought as they both but especially Wayne appeared simply to say they agreed and that was it! I quite believe Wayne to be a wolf now and that also is making me feel that perhaps Folwren is not, as it would be strange for one wolf to completely attack another.

We don't have many choices here. We can all vote together and lynch Folwren, we can all vote together and lynch Wayne (as I believe many of you are also suspicious of him), we can try to create a double lynching situation but that is difficult to ensure and if one of them is innocent that's the rest of us dead as we'll have greatly improved the wolves odds, or we can all vote our own separate way and see what happens.

I would prefer one of the first two options but I truly can't choose which. That little defence of Folwrens' just rang so true that I'm having real trouble believing her to be guilty. I hate that, I have to go completely back on all I've said. To be honest, I think I would prefer to lynch Wayne, and then, if he is innocent we'll almost know that Folwren is a wolf and we can lynch her tomorrow. Whereas, if we lynch Folwren today, whatever the outcome, it won't help us much with Wayne and we'll just have to go through all of this again tomorrow.

I'm sorry to have suddenly appeared with this but until that last post of Folwren's I was very sure that she was guilty, but now!

Please, tell me what you think and which course of action you would prefer to go with just so we all know where we stand, and please, don't vote until you have. I'll come check this every time someone posts so if everyone can get in fast enough we could at least make sure we agree on what we're doing.

EDIT: Cross posted with Cailin and while Menel would still be my first choice I don't believe that there will be enough support for his lynching, and it would still not tell us as much as I think Wayne's would as only myself and Shelob ever speak of him and we need to know about Folwren.

[wilwarin538]

But since I neither trust Wilwa nor Wayne and they are both so quickly to jump on the band-wagon,

Hold on a sec. I am not bandwagoning about Folwren. I was suspicious of her yesterday, and probably should have voted for her, but I didn't and I wish I had, since Gil ended up innocent.

Wayne I agree is bandwagoning, he sems to always just shoot out the names that have been said the most and then doesn't give a reason for them.

I'm not to sure about Menel, never have been. Sometimes I think he's suspicious and other times I don't think he is. :rolleyes:

By the way I remember someone(not sue who) said I've only voted for only innocents. That's not really true. I voted for Glirdan and I believe my vote on Day 1 saved an innocent. But yeah you are right I have voted for a few innocents, and I feel terrible, but I'm not the only one I'm sure.

[Shelob]

please, don't vote until you have.

It should probably be "have to", and in either case I must vote now *shakes fist at school*.

++FOlWREN

Why you ask. Because I've still got a bad feeling about her and (even with Cailin's most recent post) I doubt we'll get enough support to lynch Meneltarmacil.

I agree that Wayne is really suspicious but as it stands I can see more against Folwren than against him (probably 'cause Folwren posts while Wayne doesn't, therefore leaving nothing to work with).

Do with my vote as you please but it's too early for my liking, too much of a guess.

Luck to you all, I'll be back well after this DAY ends but until then I hope we're right. *insert desperate smiley*

[wilwarin538]

To be honest, I think I would prefer to lynch Wayne, and then, if he is innocent we'll almost know that Folwren is a wolf and we can lynch her tomorrow. Whereas, if we lynch Folwren today, whatever the outcome, it won't help us much with Wayne and we'll just have to go through all of this again tomorrow.

I personally think that this is a good idea. I am willing to go with it. If Wayne is a wolf, which I am beginning to think is the case, then we'll be even better off.

(EDIT: crossposted with Shelob, I guess she won't be going along with your plan then Kath. :rolleyes: )

[Cailín]

@ Wilwa: Glirdan is as good as an innocent in my current arguments, for the wolves have no idea who the bear is and Glirdan is as good as innocent to them. Glirdan being the bear was lucky. According to me. ;)

Yes, Folwren does provide quite a defence, though I'm not sure about the whole bible thing. ;)

Wayne might be a fine choice too, since he does not really contribute anyway. I think we cannot excuse him for being new any longer and maybe he has fooled us long enough with that. We can get Folwren to support Wayne, Kath... Shelob probably as well and Wilwa might too. That's already a majority, so Wayne might be an option a lot of us would be satisfied with.

The problem is... I really can't convince myself he's a wolf. I can't. He's too much like Gil.

But: those of us who are innocents just don't know. And we have to make a decision - sooner or later.

Edit: cross-post, so guess Shelob did not like the plan.

[Holbytlass]

While I empathise with not getting to the village square on time to cast a vote due to extenuating circumstances, it has become too much of a habit, it has been stated numerous times that we would prefer an early vote than none at all.
I am still suspicious of Folwren but would consider kath's plan since I do trust her.

[Kath]

Well Shelob has already voted so we'll have to leave her out of this.

Supporters for lynching Wayne sa of now are:
Kath
Wilwa
Cailin
Holby

So we need to hear from:
Wayne
Menel
Folwren

[Durelin]

Please forgive me for my absence. It was forced labor that kept me away.

I think we need to take a second look at Shelob. He/she seems very ready too lynch Folwren. But, I'm not really ready to lynch anyone, though someone has to be lynched, so...maybe being more decisive than I is a good thing.

Also...a Folwren - Durelin team was briefly mentioned. Absolutely suspicious, I know. They both couldn't vote yesterday. They have been suspicious of each other. You might be on to something there.

Wayne's bandwagoning to the extreme, and he's being...well, excuse my hypocrisy and forthrightedness, but he's been pretty useless when it comes to getting anything figured out.

I'm really tempted to vote for Wayne, and just this once, I am going to give into temptation.

++WaynetheGoblin

Might seem like I'm defending Folwren, but...well, everyone's deserving of their own opinion...

[wilwarin538]

So we need to hear from:
Wayne
Menel
Folwren

I have a feeling Wayne might be against your plan Kath. If atleast Menel agrees, which he probably will, then we can all vote.

Actually I will just vote now:

++WaynetheGoblin

[Kath]

Durelin! I am so sorry I completely forgot you!

Well now this means that in support we have:
Kath
Durelin
Wilwa
Cailin
Holby

And have only to hear from:
Wayne
Menel
Folwren

And if all those in support vote now we'll be sure to lynch Wayne anyway. Agreed?

[Durelin]

I now just hope that Kath isn't a wolf.

*smacks head*

[WaynetheGoblin]

I still think Folwren is a wolf. But at the same time I think menel is a wolf. I have been thinking menel has been a wolf since day 1. Folwern I have a very bad feeling about you. If I did vote I would go for folwern so ++FOLWREN.

[Kath]

I have been thinking menel has been a wolf since day 1
Since when!?!

Anyway, in the hope that this will all go to plan and those that said they would vote Wayne now will:

++WAYNETHEGOBLIN

[Cailín]

All right. Let's hope for the best.

++WAYNETHEGOBLIN

[Holbytlass]

Also...a Folwren - Durelin team was briefly mentioned. Absolutely suspicious, I know. They both couldn't vote yesterday. They have been suspicious of each other. You might be on to something there.

What's this?! A Freudian slip? Bears looking at tomorrow.

++WaynetheGoblin

[WaynetheGoblin]

Just like that im not lasting a nother day whell this will be my final post on this werewolf game good bye.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I honestly don't think that WaynetheGoblin is a wolf. Since I really don't think his death would help us a whole lot, I will vote for

++Folwren

the only other person voted for today and who is, in my opinion, acting more suspiciously then Wayne is.

Not that I am trying to say that Wayne is completely innocent, but his death will tell us next to nothing compared to that of Folwren, who is equally if not more suspicious, albeit for different reasons.

[Meneltarmacil]

Actually, I have just reviewed the voting, and five out of nine of us have voted in favor of lynching Wayne. So my vote wouldn't have helped anyway.

[Encaitare]

"He's a dentist, which makes him inherently evil," the villagers decided.

"Once he pulled a tooth of mine that was completely healthy!" one shouted. "My mouth was sore for weeks!"

"You think that's bad? Once he drilled a tooth without any painkillers!" another added.

"It was an accident, I swear!" WaynetheGoblin said, trying to defend himself.

"Pure evil!" the villagers cried as one. "Strap him into his chair! Let's give him a taste of his own medicine!"

They dragged Wayne to the office at the side of his home and forced him into the chair.

"How about a little tooth extraction?" one villager said evilly, picking up a nasty-looking tool.

"No! I'm innocent! I'm the--" Wayne began frantically, but the villager had already shoved the tongs into his mouth and, with an awful cracking sound, ripped the tooth out. Blood spattered Wayne's white dentist's coat.

"Another one!" the villagers encouraged, but Wayne had passed out from the pain.

"Now what?" said one villager in disappointment.

The others shrugged. "Let's just lynch him."

"Wait a second. 'Snot very nice, lynching someone who's unconscious," someone said.

"Not nice?" said another. "We've voted, and Wayne has to go. No questions asked."

"Yeah! That's right," the others agreed. And so they lynched him, although it wasn't terribly exciting.

"Darn," the villagers said after they were sure Wayne was dead. "Another innocent dead."

"Wait," said the same villager who had protested before. "What d'you think he was going to say before? I'm the--, he said. He was the what?"

"Uh oh," said a villager who was quick on the uptake. This villager rushed to the dead body and unbuttoned the dentist's coat. Underneath, the late Wayne was wearing a Ranger's garb.


Living:

Folwren
Shelob
Holbytlass
Meneltarmacil
wilwarin538
Durelin
Kath
Cailín


The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1
Bergil (Ordinary Villager) - Crushed under the gallows on DAY 1
SamwiseGamgee (Ordinary Villager) – Killed by Hunter on NIGHT 2
TGWBS (Hunter) – Impaled by Wolves on NIGHT 2
Kitanna (Cobbler) – Given a TV closeup by Black Beorning on NIGHT 2
Alcarillo (Ordinary Villager) - Dismembered by villagers on DAY 2
Mormegil (Shirriff) - Charmed by Black Beorning on NIGHT 3
The Phantom (Seer) - Rendered blind by Wolves on NIGHT 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Ordinary Villager) - Lynched by villagers on DAY 3
Glirdan (Bear) - Pincushioned by villagers on DAY 3
The Saucepan Man (Ordinary Villager) – Stuffed into mushrooms by Wolves on NIGHT 4
Gil-Galad (Ordinary Villager) - Stoned to death by villagers on DAY 4
Nilpaurion Felagund (Shirriff) – Quartered by Wolves on NIGHT 5
WaynetheGoblin (Ranger) - Suffered tooth extraction and lynched by villagers on DAY 5.

It is now NIGHT 6. A name from the lycanthropes, pretty please.

[Encaitare]

"We are but seven this morn," Folwren noted as they congregated in the village square.

"Just like the sons of Feanor," Shelob commented.

"Yeah, and look what happened to them," Holbytlass said darkly.

"Ooh, can I be Maglor?" asked Meneltarmacil excitedly.

"No, you can't," Wilwa said firmly.

"So let's see who's missing..." Kath said, looking around at the small group.

"It's Durelin," Cailín realized.

Durelin had often been a bit of an enigma to the other villagers, largely because she often told them to "Ph34r my 1337 sk!llz," and whenever she wrote them letters, they were cluttered with numbers and symbols that made the words hard to decipher. Yet they had been fond of her, and it was with heavy hearts that they went to her "hum813 h0m3".

They found her sitting in her favorite chair, which was so comfortable that Durelin had claimed it was impossible to leave. Indeed, it would have been quite hard for her to get out of the chair, because a sword had been run straight through her, pinning her to the back of the seat. Written in browned blood on her forehead was the word "PWNED".

"Look!" a villager cried, pointing at the wall. There was another message:

You have no chance to survive. Make your time.

Although the Wolves' language was crude, the villagers got the idea. "Back to the square!" they said. "Let's make sure we get one of those furry beasts toDay."

~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Folwren
Shelob
Holbytlass
Meneltarmacil
wilwarin538
Kath
Cailín


The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1
Bergil (Ordinary Villager) - Crushed under the gallows on DAY 1
SamwiseGamgee (Ordinary Villager) – Killed by Hunter on NIGHT 2
TGWBS (Hunter) – Impaled by Wolves on NIGHT 2
Kitanna (Cobbler) – Given a TV closeup by Black Beorning on NIGHT 2
Alcarillo (Ordinary Villager) - Dismembered by villagers on DAY 2
Mormegil (Shirriff) - Charmed by Black Beorning on NIGHT 3
The Phantom (Seer) - Rendered blind by Wolves on NIGHT 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (Ordinary Villager) - Lynched by villagers on DAY 3
Glirdan (Bear) - Pincushioned by villagers on DAY 3
The Saucepan Man (Ordinary Villager) – Stuffed into mushrooms by Wolves on NIGHT 4
Gil-Galad (Ordinary Villager) - Stoned to death by villagers on DAY 4
Nilpaurion Felagund (Shirriff) – Quartered by Wolves on NIGHT 5
WaynetheGoblin (Ranger) - Suffered tooth extraction and lynched by villagers on DAY 5.
Durelin (Ordinary Villager) - Pwned by Wolves on NIGHT 6

It is now DAY 6. Do what it is you do, everyone. Remember that if a wolf is not found today, it's Game Over for the village...

[Folwren]

I think I've said so before, but I always thought that Durelin was innocent. Why did they choose her? I know why they left me alive...ha. The villagers will do that job this evening, unless I can change people's minds. But why Durelin? Why not Kath, or Cailin, who both talk twice as much as Durelin?

As for me...saved one day to likely only be killed the next.

I am glad that my post made you believe me yesterday, but I am horror struck that it only got the ranger killed. I had no idea whatsoever that Wayne was the ranger...I thought Kath was. That’s why I thought that she would be dangerous to have killed. I did say that it would be a very bad idea to kill her. I did! I truly, honestly thought that she was the ranger. And I seriously believed that Wayne was a wolf - particularly after he jumped onto what appeared to be my bandwagon. (I’m astonished that I wasn’t hanged last night.)

And to explain my absence - Our computer crashed yesterday afternoon. I wasn’t on any time after my post of defense. My dad managed to get it up and running again sometimes after eight, but by then, I figured my time was up, and my body lying cold in the ground. Really, if you think about it, I had little or no reason to get on anyway, because I didn’t think that my desperate begging (or reasoning) would get anyone to change their minds.

Now I see it would have been better if I hadn’t gotten anyone to change their minds. Actually, if I had been killed last night, the same thing would have happened - I would have been killed, everyone would look at Wayne, and today he would have (probably) been killed. Instead, it’s turned around - Wayne was killed and today (unless I can change your minds again), I’ll (probably) be killed, too.

Here’s why not to do it:

Because my post from yesterday still stands true. Evidently, Kath thinks I’m good at defending myself. That’s awesome. It still stands, that post.

I didn’t know that Wayne was innocent. No one knew, except the wolves. And no one knew that he was the ranger.

If you kill me today, you will have killed an innocent, and the game will be over - finished by the villager’s own hands - with the wolves winning. We haven’t killed a single wolf, do you realize that? There are seven people left - four villagers, three wolves. We kill a villager today, the wolves win. If you kill me, it will be killing a villager. I can’t make you believe that by saying anything more than what I’ve already said. Reread the post from yesterday. I meant every single word of that first paragraph. (Including the one about the Bible, Cailin.)

Why to do it:

Because you all doubt my sincerity now. You’ll doubt everything I say because I said that I believed Wayne to be guilty. I pressed for Azaelia’s death, and I ultimately got her killed, too. I pushed for Alcarillo’s death, and he was killed that night. You’ll doubt me because every person I’ve accused and gotten killed thus far has been innocent. They’re good reasons to doubt me, I know, and I won’t argue with that. I can’t prove to you that I didn’t know that everyone I accused (who got killed) was innocent. I can hardly even hope that you’ll believe now, but you have to, because if you don’t, then I’ll die, and the village will, too.

But consider...consider very carefully, everyone. I wasn’t the one who got Wayne killed. I suspected him, to be sure, but I didn’t argue for his death. I said in one post that I suspected him and why I did, and in my other post, I said that I still did suspect him. I didn’t say, lynch Wayne. I said I suspected him.

And if people blame me for jumping immediately to my defence, then so what to them? I go by instinct. It's human instinct to live. And it's my instinct to argue in my defence, or someone else's defence if need be. It's also by instinct that I feel threatened...consider my near death yesterday and the threat to be lynched today if Wayne turned out to be guilty.

[Holbytlass]

'Nobody's laughing now
God's grace lost
and the Devil is proud(DMB)

werewolf strategy thus far....kill off major smart loud talkers, then Nilp because he was the other shirrif. Which makes the mistake of the ranger understandable now. Thinking the wolves would kill the other shirrif the night after he revealed himself but didn't because they kept with their plan of killing smarties.
Now Duerlin, while I personally consider her to be smart, she wasn't very vocal in this town, nor has she had lots off suspicion. We should be looking at the medium smarties.

[Holbytlass]

Day 1
1. Shelob for the phantom (TP - 1)
2. TGWBS for Alcarillo (TP - 1; Alcarillo -1)
3. Alcarillo for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 1; Bergil - 1)
4. Wilwarin for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 1; Bergil - 2)
5. Wayne for Alcarillo (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2)
6. Kath for Meneltarmacil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1)
7. Gil-Galad for Kitanna (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1)
8. Cailin for Glirdan (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1)
9. Menel for Kath (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 1)
10. Mormegil for Kath (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
11. Holbytlas for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 3; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
12. Glirdan for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 4; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
13. The Saucepan Man for Alcarillo (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 4; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
14. Kitanna for Glirdan (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 4; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 2; Kath - 2)
15 Azaelia for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 5; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 2; Kath - 2)
16. Durelin for The Saucepan Man (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 5; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 2; Kath - 2; SpM - 1)

Did not vote:

Bergil
Folwren
Nilpaurion
SamwiseGamgee
The phantom

Day 2
The phantom for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 1)
Cailin for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 2)
Mormegil for Azaelia (Alcarillo - 2; Azaelia - 1)
Wilwarin for Azaelia (Alcarillo - 2; Azaelia - 2)
Folwren for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2)
Holbytlass for wilwarin (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1)
SpM for Meneltarmacil (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 1)
Kath for Meneltarmacil (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Gil-Galad for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 4; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Glirdan for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 5; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Azaelia for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Shelob for Meneltarmacil (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 3)
Meneltarmacil for Azaelia (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 3; wilwa - 1; Menel - 3)
Durelin for Folwren (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 3; wilwa - 1; Menel - 3; Folwren - 1)

Did not vote:
Alcarillo
Nilpaurion
WaynetheGoblin

Day 3
Nilp for Glirdan (Glirdan-1)
Wilwa for Glirdan (Glirdan-2)
Glirdan for Gil (Glirdan-2, Gil-1)
Kath fir Menel (Glirdan-2, Gil-1, Menel-1)
Cailin for Glirdan (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-1)
SpM for Azaelia (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-1, Azaelia-1)
Shelob for Menel (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaeleia-1)
Menel for Shelob (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-1, Shelob-1)
Durelin for Azaelia (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-2, Shelob-1)
Holby for Azaelia (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-3, Shelob-1)
Gil for SpM (Glirdan-3, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-3, Shelob-1, SpM-1)
Azaelia for Glirdan (Glirdan-4, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-3, Shelob-1, SpM-1)
Folwren for Azaelia (Glirdan-4, Gil-1, Menel-2, Azaelia-3, Shelob-1, SpM-1)

No vote: Wayne

Day 4
Cailin for Shelob (Shelob-1)
Holby for Gil (Shelob-1, Gil-1)
Wayne for Gil (Shelob-1, Gil-2)
Wilwa for Gil (Shelob-1, Gil-3)
Menel for Shelob (Shelob-2, Gil-3)
Shelob for Menel (Shelob-2, Gil-3, Menel-1)
Kath for Menel (Shelob-2, Gil-3, Menel-2)

No vote: Nilp, Gil, Durelin, Folwren

Day 5
Shelob for Folwren (Folwren-1)
Durelin for Wayne (Folwren-1, Wayne-1)
Wilwa for Wayne (Folwren-1, Wayne-2)
Wayne for Folwren (Folwren-2, Wayne-2)
Kath for Wayne (Folwren-2, Wayne-3)
Cailin for Wayne (Folwren-2, Wayne-4)
Holby for Wayne (Folwren-2, Wayne-5)
Menel for Folwren (Folwren-3, Wayne-5)

No Vote: Folwren

[Holbytlass]

Folwren, I believe you. I know I was gunning for you yesterday but especially with the wolves kill last night, I see better. You are new to the village(s) and I think if you were a wolf, your teammates would tell you to tone it down (or slip you a Ritalin, I mean that in the nicest way).

Now I ask you to believe me that I am innocent. I think I'm right that we have a trio of 'medium' wolves. And if we are to trust each other than percenatge-wise it may be doable to find 3 wolves out of 5 villagers (the whole point of taking us out of the equation). Or at least we can stop wasting our time on each other. Truce? *holding out hand*
This is for the other 2 innocent villagers as well, if you beleive Folwren and I to be innocent then the percenatges go down even further for you because that leaves only 4 people to study and 3 of them are wolves. I know this is asking alot but at least consider.

[wilwarin538]

Holby I believe you to be innocent, I have for a while. But I just don't trus Folwren, its almost like she's trying to sweet talk her way into being erased of suspicion. I think we should follow through with Kath's plan from yesterday.

Anyway its way past my bedtime so I have to go to sleep. Hopefully I can post tomorrow morning.

[Cailín]

I am weary of killing innocents every day. Again and again we have failed to find a werewolf. The wolves were smart to kill Durelin: nobody suspected her and right now, we all suspect each other.

I'm not sure if Holby classified me as a medium smartie as well. I'm innocent, for one, and I think I've been one of the most foolish people throughout this game. Oh well.

I don't know who is innocent anymore. I don't know who so brutally murdered Durelin last night. Holby and Folwren seem to have formed a partnership- but I don't wish to be part of a team right now. I don't think Folwren is guilty. I'm not sure about Holby. There's only one person I can think of, of whom I would really like to know what part she has played in this tragedy.

My vote, as I probably should have done days ago, will be going to Kath today.

Why?

Kath is - in my opinion - the most capable player left. She has isolated herself from everyone in this village during these last few days and has steadily voted for Menel - except yesterday when he would likely have been killed, had Kath decided to keep voting for him. Because of that, her voting is so seriously unsuspicious, it is highly doubtful it wasn't planned.

Like Folwren, I thought she might be the ranger for a while. Two days ago I already highly suspected her, but was easily fooled cause it seemed she trusted me. I did not want her dead - she was one of the few people still actively posting and actually responding to others instead of just voicing random suspicions and vote.

Yesterday especially she said some things that made me wonder. Yes, it is true that typical wolf behavior would be staying in the background, but being loudest seems like a good cover as well. For who have been lynched these past few days? All the quiet ones, one by one.

If we do not find a wolf today, we are doomed. The same goes for tomorrow and the day after and the day after. Do I still think we can win? Not really. Do I think Kath is guilty? Yes, I really do.

I hope some will choose to support me in this - for unless the villagers are of a single mind, we will certainly lose today.

[Holbytlass]

The 3 wolves are Kath Shelob and Menel.
I will be back, but look at the voting record.
Folwren, Cailin, Wilwa and I have basically have voted with the pack, or for innocents because we are in the dark.
But systematically, Kath and Shelob have been voting for Menel (he being the sacrificial wolf) and the bit of petty squabble between Shelob and Menel, that's for if either ever get lynched the other will look good.

[Shelob]

I'll agree with your other two wolves Holby, but I assure you am I not one. If you go from that and I am lynched for being sucked into some wolvish plot it bodes ill for all. For my defense, the very self same record you do point us to. Kath has, all by yesterday, voted for Menel, a doable wolvish trick but risky. Menel has voted but once for, Kath twice for me, once for a now proven innocent and once for Folwren. With the exceptions of his votes for me (most notably the second) the one for whom he's voting has never really been in danger. Were I wolf as well as him 'twould be suicidal.

To Kath though, it is more likely she and Menel could be working together, with the exception of the day we lynched our Ranger her votes for Menel never put him into real danger. He has not overly tried to get her lynched and certainly never voted for her when she was in real danger of being lynched.



For the others though, that is Wilwa, Holby, Folwren and Cailin. I have little reason against Wilwa or Holby. I still suspect Folwren and Cailin, but with things so dire shall not vote for either unless it is the will of the village to see them lynched.


And if you're willing to accept a two part post from me, I need to go to school. Once I'm there I'll all but certianly have a chance to post again (and if I don't I'm sure you'll all be glad to know that the lab glassware will once again be clean)

[wilwarin538]

The 3 wolves are Kath Shelob and Menel.
I will be back, but look at the voting record.
Folwren, Cailin, Wilwa and I have basically have voted with the pack, or for innocents because we are in the dark.
But systematically, Kath and Shelob have been voting for Menel (he being the sacrificial wolf) and the bit of petty squabble between Shelob and Menel, that's for if either ever get lynched the other will look good.

I suppose that could be a possibility. If the majority decides on Kath I will vote for her, there are three wolves so there is a possibility that she is one. I still believe Folwren is a wolf so if Kath is then we should get Folwren tomorrow.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Holby:
Folwren, I believe you. I know I was gunning for you yesterday but especially with the wolves kill last night, I see better. You are new to the village(s) and I think if you were a wolf, your teammates would tell you to tone it down (or slip you a Ritalin, I mean that in the nicest way).

*chuckles quietly* Well, good. I'm glad you think that. It's probably true.

Originally posted again by Holby:
Now I ask you to believe me that I am innocent. I think I'm right that we have a trio of 'medium' wolves. And if we are to trust each other than percenatge-wise it may be doable to find 3 wolves out of 5 villagers (the whole point of taking us out of the equation). Or at least we can stop wasting our time on each other. Truce? *holding out hand*

This is asking a lot. And it's extremely dangerous. Not for me, necessarily (unless you're lynched and found guilty tonight and then they turn on me because I did a truce which is feasable) but for the village. If you are a wolf and are thus excused from guilt on my part, then that's one less vote to get someone killed. But, because it may be the best way, I'll do it - for today. *shakes hands*

Originally posted by Wilwa:
Holby I believe you to be innocent, I have for a while. But I just don't trust Folwren, its almost like she's trying to sweet talk her way into being erased of suspicion. I think we should follow through with Kath's plan from yesterday.

This comment - about trusting Holby and mistrusting me - somehow leads me to believe that you're innocent, Wilwa. I think you're wrong. I think you're very wrong - particularly about following Kath's plan from yesterday, but I think your an innocent. I can't exactly put it into words, I'm afraid. But somehow...it makes sense to me that only an innocent would say that.

Out of Cailin, Shelob, Kath, and Menel, however, I find it hard to decide which of them is guilty and who is innocent. Truth to tell, I am very, very reluctant to state any suspicions because every time before in this game, I've been wrong. I have to think more about it...

I don't have time now. I have bills to pay that have to go out with the morning mail.

Until later.

- Folwren

[Cailín]

The 3 wolves are Kath Shelob and Menel.
I will be back, but look at the voting record.
Folwren, Cailin, Wilwa and I have basically have voted with the pack, or for innocents because we are in the dark.
But systematically, Kath and Shelob have been voting for Menel (he being the sacrificial wolf) and the bit of petty squabble between Shelob and Menel, that's for if either ever get lynched the other will look good.

I agree with Holby on this. I was going to suggest Menel and Shelob as wolves tomorrow, should Kath prove to be one.

I see the village is still unsure as to who to vote for. I cannot vouch for my innocence in anyway and I can see why I would be a suspect. But remember: at this point, all our voting records are against us. There's only three of us left that have a reasonably acceptable voting record. And this may seem like a weird statement, but those three are the suspicious ones. They knew beforehand who was innocent and who was not.

I am not 100% sure about the three wolves, but I have no doubt Kath is one and it seems that we could gather enough support to get at least her lynched today.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Cailin:
I am not 100% sure about the three wolves, but I have no doubt Kath is one and it seems that we could gather enough support to get at least her lynched today.

Ah, but what if you're wrong?

Looking over yesterday's words, Kath may very well be a wolf. She switched for me to Wayne directly after my defence...being pretty much the leader of everyone at this point, she changed half the people's votes from me to him. If she was a wolf, she probably figured that it would be better to lynch Wayne yesterday and get me today. You see, we're both innocents in her eyes. But I'm questionable. Far, far more questionable than Wayne. Therefore, if she could get Wayne lynched and let me last the night, the villagers might just decide to carry out her former plan of killing me. That being done, the wolves would win.

But that's all only speculation. I have no idea if that's what she really had in mind, though being smart, she may well have done just that.

What I want to know is - Where are Kath and Menel now? Why haven't they said anything yet today? Is too much at stake right now for them to talk? It hasn't been like either one to remain silent these past few days, why now?

P'raps we should write our suspects in lists from most suspected to least, like Kath suggested yesterday.

-- Folwren

[Holbytlass]

What I want to know is - Where are Kath and Menel now?
Probably school, work


Suspect List
Kath
Shelob
Meneltarmacil
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Cailín
Folwren
wilwarin538

[Cailín]

Ah, but what if you're wrong?

As I implied before, I don't really care if I'm wrong. All I know is that if we don't get Kath lynched today, we will doubt her tomorrow and the day after and the day after and as the wolves have showed us before - best to kill the smart, loud ones first.

I'm very interested in what she has to say but I don't think anything can make me change my position. Too often have I trusted others and all those times, those others turned out to be wrong - and so was I. Right now I'm going with me alone *selfish*.

I know you don't trust me, Folwren, at least, that's what I read between the lines. Maybe it is enough, for now, that I do trust you.

My suspect list is similar to Holby's, but of course, I trust me more.

[Meneltarmacil]

Yes, I was in fact at school today, and just got in the door.

Anyhow, I am not sure who to lynch toDay, mostly because I really cannot be sure who the Wolves are. I mean, voting for who I thought was guilty was fine in the past, but now the lives of everybody in this town depend on who dies toDay.

That having been said, my main suspects would probably be Kath, Folwren, and Shelob, though as I said I cannot be sure. Anybody could be a wolf, actually.

[Folwren]

This is going to be hard day voting. We have approximately four hours and nineteen minutes left.

I don't know who I am yet going to vote for. You see, I don't fully trust Holby, but then I don't fully trust Menel, Shelob, or Kath, either, who are on the top of Holby's list...and whoever we kill today has to be wolvish, or we're done for. Holby's been very, astonishingly nice to me today, so it's kind of mean to say that I still doubt her, but what can a chap do in a game like this?

Time left, four hours and seventeen minutes.

-- Folwren

[Holbytlass]

I have to vote now or never....

++KATH

P.S. Wilwa, will you please come get your butterflies out of my tummy!

[wilwarin538]

But they aren't in your tummy, they're in mine.

++KATH

[Shelob]

Well, given all that's been said. Most especially those two votes. I shall vote

++KATH

I just hope we're right.

[Cailín]

I will really be forced to drag myself away from this thread now.... :rolleyes:

++KATH

May you prove to be big, fanged and furry. ;)

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I'm also going to vote

++Kath

as she's at the top of my list.

[Folwren]

The die is cast. Now to see where it will last us.

Either the wolves are dancing for joy, or they're sitting glumly in their seats. We'll find out in two hours and three minutes.

As for me, I will vote, although it is not necessary.

++Menel

Just because I doubt him and Kath does not need another vote.

- Folwren

[Kath]

Though there is little point in explaining it now, I have been ill all day and so was unable to get online.

You will see after my death tonight that I am an innocent, but after Wayne's death yesterday I am a more informed innocent.

The people you need to look at as wolves are Holby, Shelob and Folwren.

Folwren fooled me well yesterday, and Holby had for most of the game, but after reviewing the voting records that Holby herself kindly presented, the three of them show themselves to be suspicious. I have no time now to post what in my mind is proof, I just hope that you will believe the words of a (soon to be proven) innocent, who wants only the best for her village. Menel has been suspicious of Shelob and I hope he looks though and sees the same things I have. Cailin will probably become the 'leader' now as she is about the only loud person left (that I trust) and so she will need to take a close look as well.

I wish the remaining innocents the best of luck, you will need it!

[wilwarin538]

Actually Kath if you really are innocent(which I doubt) then the wolves win. There are three wolves and four innocents at this time. The fact that you are talking about the next Day must mean that you think the game will still be going on after your death. The game will only continue if you are guilty.

That post just made me even more positive that we just got our first wolf.

[Kath]

In that case I suggest you book yourselves a place in the next game and congratulate our three wolves on a fantastically played game this time round!

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted, and I didn't die on the first day which is always an added bonus.

[Encaitare]

Expect Kath's death in a few minutes.

[Encaitare]

"Kath must be a wolf," the villagers said. "She has to be."

Kath, to their surprise, laughed harshly. "You're fools. Keeping me alive is your last hope, but nooooo! You just have to lynch me! In killing me, the rest of you innocents are killing yourselves, too."

"She's bluffing!" a villager said quickly -- too quickly, the others might have thought, if they hadn't been caught up in the wolf-catching frenzy. "Only one so wretched as a werewolf would laugh in the face of death!"

"Yeah!" the others shouted. Kath shook her head in disbelief.

"Go on, then," she said. "Soon enough you'll all be dead."

"A threat!" cried another villager. "Lynch her, quickly!"

Kath did not fight them as they shoved her up onto the gallows and tightened the noose around her neck. Someone let the trapdoor loose. The villagers watched in silence as she died. No change came.

Suddenly, there was an awful sound of laughter from behind Folwen, Holbytlass, and Cailín. They turned around to see Meneltarmacil, Shelob, and Wilwarin cackling aloud.

"You... stupid... fools!" Menel managed to gasp out. "Kath was right, but you just wouldn't listen!"

Shelob said something in Gadian that probably went along the same lines.

Wilwa wiped the tears from her eyes and grinned evilly at the three remaining innocents. "It's a shame everyone's dead... I'd say they all spiced up the town a bit."

"Lended a little flavor to an otherwise drab palate," Shelob agreed.

"Well, nice knowing you," Menel snarled as he and his fellow wolves transformed to terrorize the village of Swankytown for the last time.

~*~*~*~*~

WEREWOLVES WIN!

Homo Homini Lupus
Every man is a wolf to another man.

finis

[The Saucepan Man]

Wow! Those are the last three that I would have suspected. So you didn't need to kil me so early on, did you ...? ;)

The three of you played a blinder! Congratulations! :)

[Kitanna]

Wonderful job to all involved. Especially to you wolves, since all three of you made it to the end. Cheers! :)

[Glirdan]

Awsome game everyone!!! Good job on your parts Menel, Shelob and Wilwa. I would never have suspected you guys. EVER!!!!! Congrats!!!

[Shelob]

Shelob said something in Gadian that probably went along the same lines.

"Ve...panu...Jpois. Kath noalera su-Cothi, tchon ve j'eera."

It's the closest I can get at least.

[WaynetheGoblin]

The wolves defintly did a wondorful job. I now know how much fun this game is and you guys will probely see me in the next game.

[Alcarillo]

Great game, everyone! Sorry about your lynching, Bergil, and I forgive you, Folwren, for rallying against me. ;)

[mormegil]

Very well done wolves. Rather impressive! I suspected some of you but I must applaud the interplay going between Menel and shelob, that was splendid. Enough to distance yourself but not enough to get lynched. Though at the end I suspected it a bit. Well played all.

My traditional question when I'm killed is why? Glirdan please answer for you crime.

[Glirdan]

My traditional question when I'm killed is why? Glirdan please answer for you crime.

I was waiting for someone to ask me this. It was, just as (correct me if I'm wrong) Cailin said earlier. To shift suspicion off of myself.

[Holbytlass]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Now to drown myself in the putrifaction that was once Swankytown!
Well, one bonus, everyone now knows I meant well.

Good game, good game

[The Saucepan Man]

I have to say that Menel's voting strategy was exceedingly bold. An excellent move on the Wolves' part, though, as it threw me off his scent completely.

And yes, the interplay between Menel and Shelob, picking up on (and effectively neutralising) Kath's suspicions was very well executed.

I did suspect Shelob slightly, but there were others that I would have voted for before her, including most of those lynched in the last few Days ... :rolleyes:

Mind you, funny how quiet it went during those last few Days. ;) You did well to lynch the loudmouths first. I did think that I might survive the Night that I died, as I looked rather suspicious for my vendetta against poor Azaelia (sorry Zali :( ). But I guessed that Nilp would survive that Night, as it was likely that the Ranger would be guarding him and that the Wolves would therefore pick another victim (ahem!). And I must admit that I had completely forgotten that the Ranger could not guard the same person two Nights running.

Once again, very well played Wolves. For all three of you to survive to the end just shows what a good game you played.

[Folwren]

Wow. Incredibly played, wolveses! I did suspect Menel, somewhat. Wilwa a little bit, until this last day, then she knocked me off her trail. Shelob...nope.
I'm glad I voted for Menel in the end!!

(Lot o' good it did us.)

By Alcarillo:
Great game, everyone! Sorry about your lynching, Bergil, and I forgive you, Folwren, for rallying against me.

Thank you! I knew you would, but I still feel awful. ;) I’m amazed that I lived to the end of the game, actually. I really truly thought I’d be dying right after you.

As for playing again...I'll wait a few rounds. This game is too intense for me to do again and again all in a row. I might get sick from the sleepless nights. :p Definitely a lot of fun, though. I'm astonished I lived through Yesterday.

I dislike loosing, but I have to say - you wolves were really great.

- Folwren

[mormegil]

Just an FYI phantom and I PMed after the fact and he dreamt of Shelob the night that he died so great pick on killing him that night.

[wilwarin538]

Oh that was fun! I am so playing again. :D :D :D

[Shelob]

so great pick on killing him that night.

Made more entertaining by the fact we didn't have any idea he was the Seer.

If you'll all wait a while I'll post the reasons for our kills.

[Encaitare]

Great playing, everyone. I love being omniscient. :D

I'd love to see the wolves' reasoning, when they get the time to explain their wiliness to us. :)

[Shelob]

NIGHT 1

Enca dies...and Glirdan gets my llama (not happy)

NIGHT2

Night 2 proves this game could have gone very differently. It began with this

Glirdan shouldn't leave a trail that leads to us, and we can then cast some suspicion on the innocent based on who he thought was guilty after we kill him toNight

Which is just an entertaining note because had we gone with that plan I'd bet we wouldn't have won. However we chose TGWBS solely because he wasn't really associated with us and would almost certainly get a bluff/double-bluff going. A risk, but one which ended up working. (And he was the hunter, that surprised me and undoubtably my fellow wolves)


NIGHT 3

Thanks to Menel suggesting him Phantom come up quickly as someone worth killing. Finally though I think we ended up killing him for this

Read all the posts written by the five people on your primary suspect list. One of them says something that should make you reconsider where you have placed them (too high or too low, I won't say which, and I won't say who either- I'm hoping you will catch it but that the furry fiends won't- if you think you have found what I am talking about then give me a little wink, but don't revise your list because that would be too obvious).

and this

We shall see who they kill tonight. I have an idea of who I would kill if I was a wolf- I will see if the wolves do what I would do. If they don't, and instead kill someone entirely random (someone who has barely posted and hasn't said much in the way of suspicions), then we will have to rethink the way we are thinking about this particular group of beasts (and realize that catching the first one might be a bit tough).

If I was a wolf, I would not have killed Alca or tgwbs because the two of them were sure to be attacking each other in the future. Wolves want to keep people around who have their eyes on each other because they are sure to stir up suspicion against each other- and wolves love having suspicious people around. It makes it easier to hide.

The first because we feared he caught something Wilwa said that would prove her a wolf and the second because we couldn't figure out what he meant. I personally felt the second of those was some kind of test, on the assumption he had a good idea who the werewolves were and would either prove or disprove his theory by their kill. By killing him we insured that he couldn't explain what he meant/what he was refering to. Problem Solved. (Though for the record we all thought Holby was the seer)


NIGHT 4

Shortest night's worth of discussing yet. 5 PMs. In short: Saucepan Man was too dangerous to keep around, and the ranger was almost certainly protecting Nilp so we should wait to kill Nilp.


NIGHT 5

Nilp. This one's really easy though, since we figured that the Ranger had protected Nilp the night after he'd announced himself to be the other sherrif we reasoned that he'd be free to kill tonight (though we did check to make sure Rangers couldn't protect the same person two nights in a row), which means this Death actually took longer/more PMs than SPMs death.

NIGHT 6

Pretty much decided without me, on the basis that since either Durelin or Cailín would be good kills and Durelin would leave less of a trail.



I think that's all our reasoning. Menel, Wilwa, feel free to add anything I might have forgotten.


when they get the time to explain their wiliness to us.

If you're expecting an over-arching plan, good luck...we kinda discussed strategy on the first NIGHT, before we really had a feel for how the game would go. But once we were into it things just kinda happened. Menel and I got into the habit of accusing each other. I voted for him originally, I believe, because I figured after having agreed to his suspiciousness voting elsewise would cry "WOLVES". Once we thought about it though we did realize that by continuing this the death of either of us would render the other 'innocent' and would almost certainly guarantee Kath's death. And Wilwa just did whatever she wanted, which worked well for her.



Thanks everyone, I enjoyed this game a ton. Glad we could give you all a good chase (and, were I to judge, a fair number of headaches).

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Like what Sauce said, I expected to be alive the DAY after I declared myself. But I was out all day, missing a chance to make my case.

I missed Menel entirely. To me, he was just a villager with a vendetta.

Shelob was already tweaking my antennae--or my red dotted eyes--but her suspicion, in my eyes, was tied to Kath's. And since after my death Kath told me she's innocent, I thought her innocent, too.

And wilwa . . . argh! How wrong was I about her!

Excellent, excellent game, everyone! Especially to the winners! :D

[Meneltarmacil]

We actually decided (I think it was Wilwa's idea) that it would be a good idea to throw you off track by killing those who defended us. And it seems to have worked, too.

Oh, and by the way, I kept saying "Kill The Saucepan Man" until he was actually dead, since I figured he'd probably pull out some kind of scheme involving mass-lynchings or something at the end and get a lot of people to follow him.

[wilwarin538]

One of the reasons I wanted to kill phantom was cause of his little comment to Saucy, I thought that tp had caught what I said here:

I don't think the phantom is the Cobbler. Even if he is though, he isn't a threat to us now, in a few Days where the cobbler could start to become a threat then I think the phantom would be most peoples first choice, not mine mind you. I don't think we should lynch someone who could have good ideas, just incase he is innocent. At this point I have no idea. Bergil is really the only one I could vote for, Wayne is still a possibility though.

I realised much later that it sounds like I said I wouldn't vote for the cobbler. So yeah I though he had found me out. :rolleyes: Wait....had you? :eek:

By the way, I remember someone posting all three of are names(us wolves) and saying that eather we were all innocent or we were all guilty. I remember thinking how funny it was. If anyone remembers posting it or knows where it is can you indicate it to me. It would make a great sig. ;)


Also, right before people started to vote for Wayne the day he was lynched I found this post of his:

I doNt think were doing to wEll cause we lost are seeR. I think that these people Are werewolfs. gliRdan Gil and menel.


If you rearange the capitols it spelles RANGER. After that I went along with lynching him. Sorry lil' bro.

[Folwren]

If you rearange the capitols it spelles RANGER. After that I went along with lynching him. Sorry lil' bro.

Did he do that on purpose, so you suppose? I'd never even considered...

I was expecting you to be killed the night you were, Saucey. The way the wolves were going around slaughtering people at night, I figured your turn had come...being the next loud one.

As for him mentioning a mass lynching and pulling it through, I entertained the thought several times. But I didn't think I coudl get people to do it, since no one believed me to be innocent (which I was, haha!) But I never did. So we lost anyway.

-- Folwren

[the phantom]

Made more entertaining by the fact we didn't have any idea he was the Seer.
That's what I figured- and now I ask why, oh why, did you kill me? :eek:

Generally, if you don't kill the seer by Night 3 you will be walking on thin ice after that, so wolves should always be trying to kill the seer. You're lucky that I just happened to be the seer.

Heh- I remember telling Enca at the beginning of the game that it was a bad idea for me to be the seer because I'm the type of person that everyone wants to kill. Well, it turns out I was right.

I played exactly the way I wanted to. The wolves did not think I was the seer. That was the ultimate goal. The way I figured it, the wolves would be trying to kill the seer, and thus if I did not appear to be the seer I would be spared during the night.

You see, I assumed the wolves would be extremely methodical in their kills rather than feeling things out with their gut.

But the gut approach was the way to go in this game because I seem to be someone who your gut always tells you to kill right away for some reason.
Though for the record we all thought Holby was the seer
And you still killed me. Grrr. I played my part well, got a bead on the wolves and dreamed of one of them, but then I was dead and couldn't tell anyone.

I knew it was a bad idea for me to be the seer. Some things just aren't meant to be.

The night I died, my dream was about Shelob. I picked her for reasons that I will explain in my post-game entry on my website. My post-game entry will also tell what every comment I made meant, why I said it, why I said it the way I did, and what I was hoping to accomplish.

I'll post the link later (when I'm done with the write-up). I'm sure you'll enjoy it if you like talking strategy. There will be quite a bit in there for you, Saucy. ;)

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Well played everyone! (especially wolves!) It was so much fun to read. But I must say that being one of Shelob's best friend's during her werewolf playing is trying. :p She is mightily obsessive about werewolf (part of the reason I think the wolves did so well this game.) But Menel, killing the Phantom! Brilliant! I thought that was the best kill of the game. And Wilwa, congratulations on being so secretive, you stayed off of everyone's list, including mine! (And I knew you were a wolf...)

Very well played to you all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I accused the phantom of being the bear before I became temporarily omniscient. What a ruse that first day post of his would have been...

As I was reading the thread (post omniscience) I was chatting with Encai about who was making silly errors and what was funniest.

I couldn't believe that the phantom lasted as long as he did. I'd have attacked him early, and even if not, I'd certainly keep tabs on him and nail him as soon as he started voicing things that made it look like he was gifted. I also couldn't understand why he seemed to trust Saucie so much. I had to outright forbid myself to PM him and ask "What makes you think he's trustworthy?" because of course he was, but those sorts of curious questions could sway games unintentionally. So now, tp, why the heck did you trust him?

Glirdan, nice playing. Wolves... beautiful.

Encai... fantastic mod-job. Thanks for letting me kill off a politician. That relieves stress like you wouldn't believe. ;)

[Encaitare]

Encai... fantastic mod-job. Thanks for letting me kill off a politician. That relieves stress like you wouldn't believe. ;)

My pleasure. I still have to draw you, by the way... I'm not exactly sure what to do with ye...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

My pleasure. I still have to draw you, by the way... I'm not exactly sure what to do with ye...
Incredible the way this game makes morals fly out the window... you bribed me to kill someone in a highly addictive game that concentrates on lying, backstabbing, and mind games. Oooooh, and it is so much fun.

[Cailín]

My God, I had never expected this outcome! Well played Wilwa, Menel and Shelob! I would never have guessed it was you three behind all this.

I really enjoyed this game, thanks Enca and all my fellow villagers. :D

Edit: Ooh. I think I finally figured out how the reputation system works. *blush* I was wondering where all those little green dots came from... Thanks everyone for your nice comments, even though I completely lost this game and was clueless till the end ^^ Now just to find out how I can give out those things myself... Assuming I can.

[Kath]

Noooo! I knew Menel was evil! Why didn't I stick to voting for him this would have been so much easier! That's it, next time I think someone is a wolf they will never be without suspicion from me!

But well done to wilwa, I truly had never guessed about you!

[Glirdan]

Great modding Enca!!! I loved how I became a picushion!!!! Sorry about the llama Shelob, but it kicked me!!!! Aa for why I got rid of Kitanna, it was purely out of revenge and that I suspected her of wereish activities.

[Holbytlass]

Now that I have had a chance to sleep off the disappointment, a hearty congratulations to the victorious wolves. Very well played game!!


Comprehensive and convincing prosecution. I'll be interested to see at the end with what intent it was made...

This was about the big accusation post about Folwren. Okay, now that the game is over and you see it was with good intentions, who repped me? And thank you.

(Though for the record we all thought Holby was the seer)
That's right, I was originally suspicious of Wilwarin. Man, I wish I stuck with that, I just didn't have hard-core evidence (but then, do we ever really?)

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Holby:
That's right, I was originally suspicious of Wilwarin. Man, I wish I stuck with that, I just didn't have hard-core evidence (but then, do we ever really?)

You brought some darn good evidence against me with that 'comprehensive and convincing prosecution'. That's the post that made me think I was dead.

But I got you to believe my innocence in the end. :D

-- Folwren

[the phantom]

My post game summary (http://www.freewebs.com/phantombarrowdowns/randomthoughts.htm) is finished.

Enjoy. :)

[Shelob]

Hmph. It's awfully infuriating when I set up circumstances to be perfectly in my favor but a random chance ruins everything.

It wasn't random chance there friend...we killed you simply because you were too smart for our own good and we couldn't figure out what you meant by talking about who the wolves should kill.

It looked like you were setting up a trap for us. If you were and you were alive after to explain it we'd have died. By killing you we insured you couldn't explain it (if you had a plan) and that we'd be safe from your analyzing (in either case). End of Story.

That's why we chose you over our suspected seer. We figured you were more of an immediate threat and that if the seer already had one werewolf pegged (since it looked like were Holby the seer she'd dreamt of Wilwa) that werewolf would be just as dead whether we killed the seer that night or the next.



I looked back through day one to see if Morm pointed at someone as being his pal, or if someone else pointed at Morm. And I found someone- Glirdan.

When you made that hint to Saucepan Man I figured you'd either caught a gifted or one of us. So I went back and looked at all the posts of the people on SPM's list. I noticed the same thing you did with Glirdan (though I didn't know that Menel was actually a sherrif, so mine was much more of an assumption), but I also noticed one of the few clues that Glirdan was the bear.

Theory #2

In post #82 in the thread Glirdan says
As for the Llama, I like llama's. They're cute and cuddly and I would never do anything to harm Shelob.
I'm not sure, but I believe by that point in the game the only two people accused of being the bear (the one to kill the llama) were Menel (by Folwern) and Phantom (by whomever). Also Glirdan had barely mentioned me, he mentions me when he picks up and begins to push the Wayne thing, and again in that post when he says he thinks I'm innocent. It's possible to read this as a paranoia induced response from the bear, I don't think it's particularly likely though...but it's worth considering.


I didn't think it was likely 'cause I assumed he and Menel were the sherrifs, once it was clear Glirdan wasn't the sherrif (after Nilp revealed himself) I'd forgotten about it. Which was annoying 'cause had I remembered I probably could have gotten us one more night of a double kill...but now I'm glad I caught something you missed :D, even if I couldn't put it to use :rolleyes: .



If you are innocent and clueless then you should be suspicious of everyone, but Shelob was the exact opposite. She seemed to be willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I figured she was trying to stay on everyone's good side.
Actually...I can't see suspiciousness in people. I naturally give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Just like I'm not naturally talkative/outgoing. I seem to be naturally inclined to act in a really suspicous way. Go Figure.


In short: Nice write up.

[wilwarin538]

Originally posted by Shelob
though I didn't know that Menel was actually a sherrif,

He was?!? :eek: And I thought he was a wolf like us! :rolleyes: He had me fooled. ;)

[Shelob]

Be Quiet...

Mormegil was the sherrif.
Meneltarmacil was the wolf.
Mithalwen was the person I almost voted for on Day 2.
M is the letter too many people have begining their names.

Thank You.

[The Saucepan Man]

Mithalwen was the person I almost voted for on Day 2.I too would have voted for Mithalwen on Day 2 ... had she been playing. :p

Having reviewed my notes, it has become clear to me that one can analyse 'til the cows come home and still be completley, utterly and hopelessly wrong. :rolleyes:

Here are some gems:

On analysing the Night 2 kills:

Glirdan is almost certainly not the Bear (and therefore may be worth keeping around).Kitanna had voted for Glirdan the previous Day, and I figured that the Bear would not take the risk of killing someone who voted for them when he could kill almost anyone else with little risk. I figured wrong!

On Day 2:

If the Wolves are trying to set up Alcarillo, we need to look at:

Gil-Galad
Azaelia
WaynetheGoblin
Folwren
GlirdanAs I understand it, the Wolves were trying to set up Alcarillo. But working that out sent me in completely the wrong direction!

After learning the Night 3 kills:

The phantom had two dreams: probably SpM and mormegil. Possibly Shelob.This is about the only thing I got right all game ...

I am now pretty certain that Shelob is innocent and most likely the other Shirriff.I can't remember why I thought this now. It was something that Shelob said about mormegil or vice versa. I compounded my error by compiling the following list at the outset of Day 3:

*Top suspects: Azaelia, Glirdan, Kath and Holbytlass.
*Level 2 suspects: Folwren, Gil-Galadand Nilpaurion.
*Don’t knows: Cailin, Durelin, WaynetheGoblin.
*Non-Wolves: Meneltarmacil, Shelob, wilwarin.Now that's just ridiculous. But it was based on my belief (on the basis of what I thought was pretty good evidence) that Azaelia was a Wolf, and also my assumption that Shelob was the other Shirriff. At least when Nilp revealed himself, I was able to move Shelob off the bottom row. In fact, she went straight up to a Level 2 suspect.

Of course, things changed during the course of the Day and, had I not died on Night 4, I would have been looking at Holbytlass, Kath and Shelob very closely. Maybe I would have followed through with my suspicions of Shelob. But I suspect that it's more likely that I would have voted in a similar way to the other innocents on Days 4, 5 and 6.

So you see Wolves. You really didn't need to kill me at all. :D

[Gil-Galad]

one thing that got me mad is that, you accused me of being a wolf because i was quiet, so i defended myself then you accused me for that...

[Glirdan]

On analysing the Night 2 kills:

Quote:
Glirdan is almost certainly not the Bear (and therefore may be worth keeping around).

Kitanna had voted for Glirdan the previous Day, and I figured that the Bear would not take the risk of killing someone who voted for them when he could kill almost anyone else with little risk. I figured wrong!


Well, I'd say you were completely off there Saucy!! ;) I'm quite surprised at how long it took for people to suspect me of anything on Day 1. Which just proves that I did a pretty good job avoiding suspicion for the time.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

tp: ooooh, I understand now about Saucie. See, I knew the roles of who you dreamt about, but I didn't know the exact identities. Except for Shelob. I found it hilarious that you died just as you hit spot on. Omniscience is fun.

[Glirdan]

Poor phantom couldn't tell anyone about his dream of Shelob. And it probably could have helped the villagers or myself to win!!! Drats!!! CURSE YOU WOLVES!!!!!!!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Glirdan, was it your intention to act all close with morm and then to kill him suddenly? It sounds like a very bold plan for a bear.

[Glirdan]

Glirdan, was it your intention to act all close with morm and then to kill him suddenly? It sounds like a very bold plan for a bear.

From the start of Day 2, I said to myself that I had to get someone completely unsuspected to cast suspicion off of myself and by unsuspected I mean no one would think that I would go after him because of the "bond" we had. I wasn't thinking of morm right from the start. About half way throught the Day, I decided to get rid of morm because he was the one I was acting close with and I thought no one would have suspected me. Obviously, it didn't quite work. I was a little over dramatic which was probably why more suspicion was cast on me.

Now I want to know why no one suspected me of being the bear, but always the wolf. Anybody care to answer?

[Shelob]

*Non-Wolves: Meneltarmacil, Shelob, wilwarin.
I figured we had you confused to no end...I hadn't realized we were doing that well.


Now I want to know why no one suspected me of being the bear, but always the wolf. Anybody care to answer?
Probably because the wolves are more likely to slip up. A wolf has to try and not only protect themselves from suspicion but also to make sure that they're protecting their fellow wolves. A bear only has themselves to protect so it's somewhat easier for them, they don't have to worry about slidding suspicion of themselves and onto their friends.