Werewolf IX: the Saga Owns You and You Know It

[Encaitare]

Hail and welcome to the latest [and, hopefully, greatest] village of horrors. This is the village of Swankytown, all but a ghost town ever since the exodus of villagers with broader horizons, whom most people would probably dub “the smart ones”. And we shall see that they were indeed smart to get away, before the accursed Werecreatures fell upon the unsuspecting, provincial little village…

For this is Tol-in-Gaurhoth IX! (Or 9, if you prefer.)

The game shall be run thusly:

DAY and NIGHT shall be 24 hours in length, and 24 hours in length shall be the NIGHT and DAY. During the DAY, Villagers will vote for one of their number to lynch. During the NIGHT, Werewolves and Beorning will each choose a hapless victim to slay.

I, your humble Moderator, dwell upon the Eastern shore of the nation called the USA, and so I shall refer to the times in Eastern Standard Time. In EST, the DAY and NIGHT shall begin, alternately, at approximately 7:30 PM. For the ease of those in other time zones (and to save you from having to do any mathematics), you can simply refer to the time on my posts, translated into whatever your local time is.

The game shall end when either the three Wolves and the Beorning are killed, or when the Wolf to Villager ratio is equal. Let us hope that it does not come to this, O Swankytowners!

Remember to stay invisible!

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The roles in the village of Swankyton are as follows:

Ordinary Villagers: The so-called “ordos” shall converse during the DAY and vote for someone to lynch. Hopefully, they can hold their own against the evil creatures.

Werewolves: Wolves communicate at NIGHT and only at NIGHT to choose one victim, and then PM their choice to the Mod. The clever fiends do their best to evade suspicion during the DAY.

Black Beorning: The Beorning turns into a bear and chooses one victim per NIGHT to kill. This player wins if s/he is the ONLY surviving Villager.

Hunter: The Hunter makes a choice of another Villager each NIGHT to take down with him if s/he is slain or lynched.

Ranger: The Ranger chooses one Villager each NIGHT to protect from Wolf attacks. S/he cannot protect against Bear attacks.

Seer: The Seer chooses one Villager each NIGHT to dream about. It shall then be revealed to the Seer who/what that Villager is. The exception is the Cobbler, who appears to be an Ordo.

Cobbler: The Cobbler despises his/her pitiful existence. S/he wants you all to die, and the Wolves or Bear to win. (You all must have ostracized the poor Cobbler to Sammath Naur and back to make him/her so bitter!) S/he will do anything within his/her limited power to confuse the Villagers and so ensure a Werewolf victory, including letting him/herself be lynched. S/he does not know who the Wolves are. The Cobbler appears to be an innocent villager to the Seer.

Shirriffs: The Shirriffs go back a long way, and therefore know that each other is innocent. They PM by DAY to discuss strategies and suspicions. There are two Shirriffs.

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Other stuff:

Votes are irrevocable, and must be cast like this:

++ENCAITARE

Multiple lynching is allowed, but remember that it is a strategy which should be used sparingly, if at all.

Let us know if you will be absent by posting on the original Tol-in-Gaurhoth thread. Otherwise, please refrain from posting on that thread, whether you are dead or not.

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These are our players (I have made up occupations for a couple of people who did not give one):

1. Folwren - blacksmith
2. Shelob - student of the Ancient and Long-Dead Gadian Language; a llama famer on the side
3. Holbytlass - seller of "zoo-doo" fertilizer
4. the guy who be short - politician
5. Meneltarmacil - zookeeper
6. WaynetheGoblin - dentist
7. wilwarin538 - tailor
8. Alcarillo - mayor
9. Durelin - Mistress of 1337
10. Saucepan Man - mushroom harvester
11. Kath - gardener
12. the phantom - apothecary
13. Azaelia of Willowbottom - flower-selling lass
14. Cailín - constant crocheter
15. Nilpaurion Felagund – irritatingly deep-thinking philosopher
16. Kitanna – cable tech (aka the obligatory anachronism)
17. mormegil - merchant
18. Gil-Galad - lawyer, has a pet bird
19. SamwiseGamgee - philosophical badger farmer
20. Glirdan - cheese seller
21. Bergil - very bad carpenter

And I, Encaitare the aspiring writer.

There are:

3 Werewolves
2 Shirriffs (who may reveal themselves if they deem the time to be right)
1 Black Beorning
1 Cobbler
1 Seer
1 Hunter
1 Ranger
11 Ordinary Villagers

It is now NIGHT one. DAY one will commence in 24 hours. I've already got a name from our Seer, so no worries about that. Wolves may PM; Shirriffs may not.

[Encaitare]

A pale sun rose over the near-abandoned village of Swankytown. An eerie mist had descended, settling upon the rooftops and making the villagers, who were just getting out of bed, feel vaguely uneasy and wonder if maybe they ought to go back to sleep. The village square was abandoned in the morning’s early hours; a tumbleweed rolled halfway across it before realizing that this was not the Old West.

Gradually, the villagers left their homes, opening their dilapidated shops and socializing in the square.

WaynetheGoblin admired his new dental tools, including a wicked-looking pair of tongs that Folwren had forged for him.

With a sly nod, The Saucepan Man sold some ‘medicinal’ mushrooms to the phantom.

“600|) |\/|0|2|\|!|\|6,” Durelin said to Shelob. “’Tai,” Shelob responded. Neither understood a word the other said.

Glirdan fed a piece of cheese to Gil-Galad’s pet bird; the bird’s beak got stuck and Gil threatened to press charges.

Holbytlass tried to sell some of her “zoo-doo” to Kath at the same time that Azaelia of Willowbottom tried to sell Kath some flowers. “I’m a gardener!” Kath admonished. “I’ve plenty of my own flowers!”

Azaelia had more luck with Wilwarin538, who bought a carnation to place in the buttonhole of a suit she’d just finished.

Alcarillo and the guy who be short glared at each other from opposite sides of the street, trying very hard not to blink. Cailin kindly crocheted some blindfolds so they wouldn't have to look at each other.

Meneltarmacil eyed the lopsided animal cages Bergil had made, and wondered if they’d hold much longer.

Nilpaurion Felagund tried to philosophize with Kitanna, but she was too confused by the lack of TVs to repair to listen to him.

And Mormegil was doing whatever it is that merchants do early in the morning.

But by ten o’clock they realized that one of their number was absent. Where was Encaitare, the writer?

“She said she’d let me read the first draft of that novel of hers this morning,” one of them said.

“I bet she got caught up in her bizarre stories and forgot she had an appointment,” another suggested. “Let’s go snap her out of it.”

They all decided to go down to her house and see if everything was alright – they really had nothing better to do, anyway. Plus, there had been mysterious howling almost every night for the past week from the woods which bordered Swankytown.

Encaitare’s home was silent, but they found that the door was unlocked. They let themselves in.

Inside, a gruesome sight accosted their eyes. Encaitare was on the floor, impaled all over with her quill pens, which through a display of capillary action which would have impressed any geek, were stained with her blood halfway up their length. Several pages from her manuscript lay scattered around her body; one was pinned to her chest with a particularly large quill. Gingerly, one of the villagers removed it – the words were written in browned blood. The villager read it aloud:

Dear Village of Swankytown,
Looks like Encaitare’s tale has come to its conclusion. Don’t get too upset over the manuscript. It was pretty lousy.
Signed,
The Werewolves

The villagers were horrified, so they hurried out of the house. Next door was Kath’s home, and they noticed that her side garden was looking oddly trampled.

“My magnolias!” Kath cried. “My petunias! My sweet honeysuckles! They’ve been squashed!” She peered at the curious footprints.

“What could have made those huge prints?” the villagers wondered. They followed the tracks to Shelob’s house, where they nearly tripped over a mutilated llama.

Thunder crashed as Shelob looked at her fallen pet in disbelief. Rain began to pour. She dropped to her knees and raised her face to the sky, arms outstretched. She shrieked something in the Ancient and Long-Dead Gadian Language: “Jeeeyyyyyyyy!!!!! Ved ko???”

“Huh?” the villagers asked, miffed that they were both getting very wet and ignorant as to what she was saying.

“Noooooo!!!” Shelob translated. “Why? Why?”

“It’s a bear!” they realized. “There’s a bear on the loose, too!”

“Whyyyyyy???????” Shelob continued to moan.

“Because,” they grumbled. “Forget the stupid llama. Let’s get to finding these horrid werecreatures.”

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The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1

It is now DAY 1. Werewolves may not PM; Shirriffs may. 24 hours until NIGHT falls, so use the hours well: start talkin'!

[Reminder: don't edit your posts more than to correct little things like spelling or bolding names. If you have something more to say, don't be afraid to double-post.]

[mormegil]

I've just the things for this situation. I've just aquired recently some charms that are sure to keep away those pesky Were creatures. Now that demand has gone up due to recent events I would like to double the price. If charms are not your thing I've got enough weapons to help defend yourself. Let me know what you want and it's yours.

[Holbytlass]

What a shame, Enca wasn't much a customer but she and her stories will be missed, especially the scandals about the politicians. And that poor llama, one less supplier for my business.

[Alcarillo]

Alas! My poor village of Swankytown is infested by werewolves! If re-elected I promise to take measures that will ensure that such a tragedy will never happen again in our village. Maybe I should outlaw pointy quills.

And remember to re-elect me, Alcarillo, as mayor of Swankytown!

[Alcarillo]

especially the scandals about the politicians.

Pure lies. Except for those about tgwbs.

[WaynetheGoblin]

My teeth will never be the same now that we lost someone.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

What a terrible loss...Enca was always happy to buy a flower or two from me, no matter how wilted they were.

[mormegil]

I've been among this town for only a short while, however I have given attention to all members of the village and I have some ideas. If I were a betting man I would say that

Kitanna
Bergil
Wilwarin of the numbers
are all wolves and that

Meneltemacil

is the bear.

Just in being among this town I've always felt something strange about them, not least because of their strange request. They were constantly asking for raw meat and other products such as large quantities of hair care products. Had I had the presence of mind to suspect them I would have known at the time they were wolves and a bear. Well there is my judgment for the time.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, this was a terrible tragedy for Swankytown. I remember Enca well, always used to come and watch the monkeys, somehow they seemed to to really bond with each other.

As for the wolves and bears in the zoo, I can assure you that they are fed regularly and well-taken care of, with plenty of space to move around in, and cannot get out of their pens (I don't trust Bergil's skills enough to let him build a box, let alone a pen for large carnivorous animals!).

I'll check back here later, but now I've got to go feed the boa constrictor.
*gets a cage full of white mice and heads over to the reptile house*

[The Saucepan Man]

Lawks a Lordy! Looks like we've got ourselves an outbreak of lycanthrope in this here village. I heard of a similar thing happening in another village over yonder when I was harvesting mushrooms in the area. They say that the villagers there prevailed, though many died before the fiends were vanquished, both through the creatures' night-time activities and through the lynching of poor innocent villagers.

Seems it may be time for me to move on, being as I'm itinerant an' all. Then again, this village has treated me kindly, so I feel duty bound to stay and help in this time of need. That and the fact that there are still mushrooms in these parts to be harvested.

Let all speak! Mayhaps the beasts will drop their guard and we will be able to tell who is foul and who is fair.

Who am I kidding? We are just going to have to hang whoever seems the most suspicious and keep our fingers crossed. :rolleyes:

Personally, I have four main suspects:

Kath
Shelob
Menaltarmacil and
Bergil

Kath's garden was clearly visited by this Werebear. Could it have come from her house? And the tracks led to Shelob's house. Is that because that is where it lives? Meneltarmacil seems far too well-acquainted with beasts of all kinds. As for Bergil, he's on my list because the shelves that he put up for me keep falling down.

Mark my words. It's those four that we should be keeping our eyes on.

[Kitanna]

Oh my! Not dear Enca, she was always such a sweet girl. And the llama, well the llama never did no harm to anyone. What sort of heartless monster would do that?

[Folwren]

Great scott...someone dead! I never thought I'd see the day. It's no wonder, though. Enca's doors don't have any proper locks. If I'd had known, I would have made her some. And if she felt threatened (one would have thought that something would have made her feel threatened if she were going to be slaughtered), she might have said something and iron could have even been put on the lower windows of her house. The possibilites of what might have been done to prevent such a murder are tremendously numorous.

And my dear Saucepan Man, I have to say that I agree with you on at least one of your suspects. I think that Menaltarmacil is the Bear.

(And I find Alcarillo rather questionable, too. What time to ask for votes! Heavens, man, one of your people just died. You didn't even mention a day of prayer or fasting...I'll warrant you didn't put the flag at half mast, either.)

[Glirdan]

Oh poor Enca! Poor, poor Enca! She was my best customer! She always came to my shop and bought the mozzerella cheese! Now my sales profits will greatly decline!

On a sidenote, please don't press charges Gil! How was I supposed to know your bird didn't like cheddar cheese? From now on, whenever you come to my shop, you get free cheese!

On another sidenote, I'll buy a sword and shield my dear mormegil.

Getting back on topic, I believe it's to early to cast any votes. We should approach this disaster with caution. We could end up lynching an innocent if we just randomly accuse people. If I had any suspicions, it would be the Saucepan Man and mormegil (don't get mad at me for that my dear old friend) due to their rashness in automatically accusing people. But as I said, I'm not casting my vote yet. Let's wait and see what the other villager's have to say about this.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, perhaps it's best to look at the motives behind this attack. Clearly, someone wanted Enca to die. Why would somebody want that? Alcarillo's comments are interesting, perhaps he didn't want public opinion to be swayed against him and did away with her. Or maybe tgwbs wanted to make it appear that Alcarillo was incapable of protecting the town against the wolves and bear so he would fall out of favor and tgwbs would become mayor in his place.

However, it is hard to tell at this point who is a beast and who is not. My 20-sided die (we have 21, but subtracting my name gives us an even 20), useful for choosing things at random, says Alcarillo is the one we should look at, though like I said, this choice is random.

The monkeys have really been taking Enca's death hard. I'd better go try to cheer them up. Maybe a few bananas will help. *sigh* Such hard times have fallen on us lately... Why did it have to be our village?

[Shelob]

Sorry all, about coming somewhat late to the proceedings. But seeing as you all ran back to town so quick I was left alone to burry my poor Llama before it started to rot, and take it from me, that would have been a lot easier had some of you stayed to help.

To your proceedings though, it doesn't seem that I've missed all that much...Mormegil and Saucepan Man seem to be the only two with suspects for all four of the accursed beasts. Menaltarmacil, Bergil, and Alcarillo seem to be the names being thrown around the most though...and five others of us (Suacepanman, Mormegil, Myself, Kath, and Wilwarin538) have been suspected but once. At this point I'm inclined to wait and let more people have their say before settling into accusition/deduction mode. Though I would like to point out to the Pan Man that my Llamas are probably the easiest things to kill around here, the tracks just lead to Swankytown's equivalent to Fast-Food...

...one parting question to our esteemed dentist WaynetheGoblin before I go to feed my remaining Llamas, how exactly does our loss effect your teeth, unless maybe you chipped them on something unusual last night?

[the phantom]

Hmph! Looks like this month is ruined.

I had finally saved up enough money to buy a few nice things and enjoy myself a bit, but instead I have a fair chance of being killed sometime in the next couple weeks.

My, how fortune turns.
If I had any suspicions, it would be the Saucepan Man and mormegil (don't get mad at me for that my dear old friend) due to their rashness in automatically accusing people
Though I might be inclined to have a similar gut reaction to their early finger pointing, the fact remains that we must decide on someone to lynch before the day is out, and we can't reach such a decision without a bit of finger pointing first. I don't really see anything wrong with people making guesses and speaking their mind.

For one thing, it gives us some information to work with. The more people accuse and defend, the better idea we villagers will get of who is in league with who, and who is avoiding who. Perhaps one of the culprits may even slip up? Not likely, but we can hope.

Of course, I'll probably get all upset when someone points a finger at me, so I'm not saying you can't get mad if a finger is pointed at you- but try not to use that as a basis for guilt. It is simply the way this must be done.

I'd also like to make a proposition- a deal with the devil, you might say.

Whoever the werebear is, listen carefully.

If the reports from the trackers are true, we are dealing with three werewolves and one werebear. Whoever the bear is, please realize that the wolves are your enemies just as much as we villagers are. The only way you can rule supreme is if you kill the wolves.

I would like to ask you if you could try and kill the wolves at night. Chances are you will be wrong most of the time and will end up killing an innocent (which is something you want to do anyway, so failing won't hurt your cause), but if you are trying your best then perhaps you will take at least one down. Yes, it will help us innocents, but it will help you as well.

You, as a solitary operative, will be much harder for us to find than the wolves, therefore you should fear the wolves more than us, for the wolves can kill you at night and also win the game by leveling the population. And if you think of it that way, by killing an innocent each night you are actually helping the wolves reach their population goal twice as fast.

I think it might be beneficial for you (and for us) to try and take out wolves at night to thin their ranks.

And I don't want to hear any of you people whining about me trying to cut a deal with the bear. Cutting a deal with the bear is how I'm trying to help this village. There is not much we can do against the evil that has risen against us, so we need to use every means available.

[Gil-Galad]

next thing you know my bird is going to be werewolf food!

[Cailín]

*gasps*

Not Enca! I never truly enjoyed her tedious stories, but still, she was always very polite... And my scarves looked ever so good on her.

I don't want to believe anyone of us could be so violent and cruel. But if I have to accuse someone, I am inclined to suspect Wilwarin538, for with her fast needlework, she's been trying to put me out of business since forever. Surely that is a clear sign of evilness.

But I don't know. *wails* And I'm scared.

I will crochet something nice for poor Enca. Let's hope she finds peace in a better place than this cursed, were-infested town.

[wilwarin538]

Alas my dear friend Encaitare, she always had marvelous taste in clothing. I will indeed miss her greatly.

I've noticed people have already tossed names around, I'm not at all suspicious of those who have already suspected someone, since its such a bold move. I am more suspicious of those who have hardly said a thing, like Alcarillo, Wayne, Holbytlass and Azealia, just to name a few.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I think perhaps we should wait until we have heard from almost everyone before we start pointing fingers...How can anyone be truly suspected until we get to know everyone? Or, barring that, at least hear from them once or twice. There are many people who haven't said anything at all yet...Surely they should get a fair say?

[Kath]

Poor Enca! She was such a lovely girl, and had promised to write me all those little signs for my flowers in that beautiful handwriting of hers. Her death was a tragedy to be sure, but so was the trampling of my garden! Now it seems that we have a bear and wolves on the loose I don't know if there's any point in trying to repair it before they go digging everything up again. I was trying all morning to at least tidy things up a bit so I apologise for my late arrival here.

Anyway it seems that there have been a lot of random accusation flying around with my name among them for my misfortune in living next to Enca. I suppose though that this is the best strategy we have at the moment to find these accursed wolves so I'll live with it and make my own. If I had to choose three people who were wolves I think I would go for:
Meneltarmacil
SamwiseGamgee
mormegil

The werebear I have no idea about. the phantom's plan for a deal with this creature does seem a good one. At least if it is trying to kill wolves it is less likely to kill the rest of us. But I fear that the creature may not agree to this plan. Still, if it doesn't we are no worse off than before (it would be difficult to imagine being any worse off actually) and if it does then it helps us. I was almost inclined to suspect the phantom for making the plan as some kind of double-bluff but after weighing it up I think it is too helpful to us to be the invention of a werecreature. Though he still merits watching.

But then, all of this is pure speculation. We have no facts and won't for a while yet.

[SamwiseGamgee]

Alas, and so doth poor Enca pass to shadow. Would that I could muse with her once more, discussing the metaphysical beauty of a badger's snout or the sollipsistic whinings of a barbershop quartet of weasels. Ah, she shall be missed as a lover misses his heart, stolen by his maiden.

But wait, what do I see: Kath accuseth me of foul, wolf shaped treachery! Oh, the outrage! Still, I shall not hold such wild accusations against her, she merely saw that I had yet to talk, forgot that today was badger milking day and so accused me. I shall let it slide.

Such first day lists are just crazy antics, fuelled by the inherit paranoia of living in a village with four murderous wretches wandering the streets by night. There is little that one can draw from them. When, however, they occur down the line of Swankytown, they should be viewed with some suspicion.

Now, Herr Phantom, you talk of striking a deal with the devil? But I put it to you, good sir, that you are in fact the devil himself, that is: the bear! *gasps from the gallery* Did you not formulate this plan to kill the wolves, thus helping yourself, and then almost fall off your seat when you realised that an audacious twist could be added: you would plead with the bear and then later in the game, when the wolves were all dead and suspicions turned on you, quote this post and say something like "Hey, why would the bear appeal to himself? Don't waste my time!" And then we'd all spank ourselves for being so insolent as to even suspect the phantom. I look forward to your reply.

[Glirdan]

the phantom's plan at first seemed really were creature-ish if you ask me. But I think he is just thinking o this plan for the benefit of the village. I have no suspicion of the phantom at all.

I am now more suspicious Wayne. As Shelob said:

how exactly does our loss effect your teeth, unless maybe you chipped them on something unusual last night?

Please Wayne, explain yourself.

My main suspicons lie on Wayne now. I am truly sorry for ever suspecting you mormegil my friend. Even though you ahve only been here I short time, it feels like I've known you for ever. And my apologies to you as well Saucepan Man.

[Durelin]

0/\/\|=6! /\/07 3/\/(4!

*whirling her dark cloak, she jumped down from somewhere above all with a z0r*

\/\/3|23\/\/01\/35 =

The Saucepan Man
Cailín
Azaelia of Willowbottom

Because I have seen them associated with bad numbers (see poor Enca's second to last words)... Saucie most certainly is 'lo'...Cailín is definitely 'la'...and Azaelia has recently been seen as 'le'. Mysterious that these be so closely related, pinned as strange a trio by numbers....

And as for teh w3r3b3ar...the guy who be short, the one so closely associated with 'a'....

[the phantom]

Now, Herr Phantom, you talk of striking a deal with the devil? But I put it to you, good sir, that you are in fact the devil himself, that is: the bear!
Don't be silly. As you are aware, I am a very logical person. No matter what I am, werewolf, werebear, or villager, you can bet that anything I do is meant to help myself in a logical fashion. And my proposition to the werebear would be incredibly illogical if I was indeed the werebear.

The fact is, because the werebear has no teammates, he/she does not care who dies in each round of voting and such, therefore it is nearly impossible to spot the werebear based on votes. Because of this, the werebear will blend in with everyone else, and there is no way to stop him/her from doing this. It is obviously the safest way for the werebear to behave.

The moment I tried to make a deal with the bear, I KNEW someone would accuse me of pulling a double bluff. My deal calls attention to me- it draws a line between the werebear and I. There is NO WAY the actual werebear would do something like this.

There is no reason for the bear to "bluff" or "double bluff". There is no advantage to be gained. All the werebear has to do is play like everyone else. It would be stupid of him/her to come out and draw attention to himself/herself- even in an attempted double bluff. The risk is not worth it.

What I have done makes it much more likely that the seer will dream of me tonight- something that the bear would want to avoid at all costs.

The fact is, if I was the bear, I would not have been stupid enough to link myself to the bear. It is not logical. And I'm slightly upset that you would think that I am truly that stupid.
I am more suspicious of those who have hardly said a thing
I agree with this point, Wilwa.

If we are going to randomly kill someone, it makes sense (to me anyway) to kill someone quiet.

I say this because loud people always give you information to work with. Everyone knows that I am going to say plenty. The Saucepan Man and mormegil are also known for being extremely outspoken. This means that we are going to provide you with evidence to use either for us or against us. You will have an idea of where we stand.

That is not true of the quiet folk, which is why they are dangerous. They give us no information to base our accusations on.

When in doubt, lynch someone who you think won't say all that much. I know it seems pretty mean- but no matter who we lynch it'll be pretty mean since we obviously have no suspects at this time.

I have to be going, but I will be back towards the end of the day to help wrap things up.

[Glirdan]

I am more suspicious of those who have hardly said a thing, like Alcarillo, Wayne, Holbytlass and Azealia, just to name a few.

One of the reasons why suspect Wayne. And because of his teeth comment. You have some explaing to do! Better be a good reason there Wayne, or you could be in big trouble. But we still haven't heard anything from others, like Gil (not a whole lot anyway) and Bergil. And I'm not voting for anybody until we've heard from them.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

The Saucepan Man
Cailín
Azaelia of Willowbottom

Because I have seen them associated with bad numbers (see poor Enca's second to last words)... Saucie most certainly is 'lo'...Cailín is definitely 'la'...and Azaelia has recently been seen as 'le'. Mysterious that these be so closely related, pinned as strange a trio by numbers....


I'm afraid I am missing something important..."lo, la, le"? Clarification, please?

I would also like to know why suspicion is falling on me, when there are others who have yet even to speak? Of course, I understand that fingers must be pointed almost randomly, since we have no idea who is what.
For my part, I will not voice suspicion or accuse anyone until we've heard from everyone. There are still some who have yet to speak.

[Alcarillo]

I realize that some have become suspicious of me, for three reasons:

1. "Unsympatheticness" to Enca's death.
2. Menel's 20-sided die.
3. I have not said much.

The first two of these don't hold much merit. The first is simply explained by being in character. The last, the only one that seems sensible, can be explained by some people having to sleep. ;)

Who do I think are the wolves? Like the rest of you I will put forth nearly random lists, based mostly on occupations and such:

1. WaynetheDentist

That tooth comment was a little too wierd.

2. Morm

He's always travelling between the villages. Who knows if those were his previous victims?

3. tgwbs!

Because I want to be mayor for another term.

Although we should all wait to hear what they have to say before we cast votes. Like I said, this is a pretty random-ish list. I also think Menel might've unleashed a bear upon the village. Or it might be Bergil's fault, making faulty cages. Who puts animals in cages of wood? Use iron! And I like the phantom's bargain with the bear. It gets rid of those werewolves more quickly!

[Kitanna]

I'm trying to decide if Wayne's teeth comment was just to be funny or if he's trying to throw us off. Either way it's quite annoying.

Others have been saying they suspect SpM and morm. At the moment I find no reason to truly suspect them. Pulling out a group of names is just a way to start. Besides they're logical and can be a great help (provided they're not wolves that is).

phantom's "make a deal with the bear" is slightly odd, but I think if anything phantom would be the cobbler with that kind of idea.
What I have done makes it much more likely that the seer will dream of me tonight- something that the bear would want to avoid at all costs.
I think he may be on to something with that.

[Glirdan]

phantom's "make a deal with the bear" is slightly odd, but I think if anything phantom would be the cobbler with that kind of idea.

Come to think of it Kitanna, his comment did seem kind of Cobblerish. You might be on to something there. I think now we should be keeping an eye out on him and Wayne. And now, because of what Alcarillo said about TGWBS, I'm starting to suspect or beloved mayor. We have a few people to be keeping our eyes on.

[Durelin]

I'm afraid I am missing something important..."lo, la, le"? Clarification, please?
10. Saucepan Man - mushroom harvester
14. Cailín - constant crocheter
13. Azaelia of Willowbottom - flower-selling lass

lo
la
le

I can only look at numbers, as there is little else to see...

;)

[Shelob]

And I'm not voting for anybody until we've heard from them.

Same, unless of course it gets too close to days end for comfort and we still have heard little or none from them...

As to more recent doings, namely the Phantom's werebear plan, I don't see it as being necessarily suspicious. Kath's probably spoken the closest to how I see it; It's not enough to name the Phantom as a high suspect and it's not enough to dismiss him from the lists. Mind you, usually only death's enough to take you from the list of the suspicious, anyone still breathing has breath in them to lie.

For my own suspicions, I would still like an explanation from WaynetheGoblin before doing anything but he's definately high on my list. It doesn't ususally do to just "go with the flow", but seeing as we've no other clues beyond general opinion I would say that Meneltarmacil needs to address all the accusations towards him before I make any further choices. Though that probably goes for Bergil and a few others too. I would say that beyond those my highest suspects would be our political duo (it's possible they've taken they're typical wrangling to new lows), but that could just be a natural dislike of politicians making itself known.

Finally I would repeat the wish of many, that those who have said little speak up and give us more to work with.

[Holbytlass]

Do you know what would happen if I didn't collect everyday?!

All that has been said in the past 17 hours or so is all bunk. We all know it is throws in the dark, even if some accusation is true, it was pure luck, except what the seer has to say about one person. But it is still important bunk, to get the ball rolling.
As for myself I am most incline to believe The Phantom. While I do think he is smart for a double-bluff, I think he definitely would think of all possibilities about drawing attention to himself, especially from the seer.
And I agree to get rid of quiets first in these initial days even if I'm on the list.

[Glirdan]

Yes, the phantom is definitely smart enogh for a double-bluff, but I don't think he's a werecreature. I think he's probably the cobbler because then he wouldn't have to worry about the seer because the seer sees the cobbler as an ord. I would suspect the phantom as the cobbler than anything else. I know I for one will definetly be keeping an eye on him from now on. But Wayne is still ast the top of my list.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I do know now that my post was very stupid. I will not post one sentence post. Please do not leanch me. Its my first time i want to last awhile.

[wilwarin538]

Well three of the people I mentioned before(Alcrillo, Holbytlass, Zali) have all posted again, and told some of their opinions, so my suspicion of them has lestened.

Wayne, my dear brother, has posted again but still little was said. All I can say is I know how much he wants to play so I'm willing to give him another chance to say his oppinion and defend himself. But if he can not clear himself I fear I will have to vote for him. :(

Also I think what phantom has said makes a lot of sence.

[Alcarillo]

Well, the first day is mostly shots-in-the-dark. If nobody does anything suspicious I too might vote for Wayne. There is little cause to suspect him aside from the teeth comment, but of all of us who have posted he has said the least. His posts say, basically:

1. My teeth are different.

2. Please don't lynch me!

Everybody else who has posted has made some sort of contribution to the discussion and has made his or her position clear. But I shall not vote yet. Even if he is lynched and he is neither a wolf nor a bear, we don't need to worry about such uninformative posting again. True, it is always unfortunate to lynch an innocent, but he seems least valuble to the village right now.

[Meneltarmacil]

As far as the phantom's plan is concerned, I don't really see him as a furry beast because of it. He may very well be the Cobbler, or merely an innocent villager suggesting an unusual course of action. However, I notice that SamwiseGamgee was the first to accuse him of being the Bear, perhaps he is hiding something.

As for the accusations that I might be hiding a rather hairy secret of my own, Shelob, the accusations by The Saucepan Man, mormegil, and Alcarillo seem to be because of my occupation as Zookeeper and not because of anything I've said here.

[Alcarillo]

As far as the phantom's plan is concerned, I don't really see him as a furry beast because of it. He may very well be the Cobbler, or merely an innocent villager suggesting an unusual course of action. However, I notice that SamwiseGamgee was the first to accuse him of being the Bear, perhaps he is hiding something.

As for the accusations that I might be hiding a rather hairy secret of my own, Shelob, the accusations by The Saucepan Man, mormegil, and Alcarillo seem to be because of my occupation as Zookeeper and not because of anything I've said here.

True, true. More jest than accusation, they seemed to be to me. It was an in-character stab-in-the-dark. I had no intention of actually voting for you, of course. Of those I have accused, only Wayne is based off of some sort of evidence in his posts. The rest were basically random, based on occupations. Disregard them.

But that is an interesting point about SamwiseGamgee. It's not quite enough to get me suspicious, but he does show up on my radar now.

[Kath]

There is just one thing that I would like to mention right now and that is this belief that having people who are loud in the village is so exceedingly important that we must not kill anyone who is able to make a sensible and seemingly helpful post of over three paragraphs. Now yes, it is important that we have people who can do this but what we have to beware of is that these people could be werewolves, the cobbler or the werebear. I am not saying lynch all the loud people, I just want everyone to realise that this is possible and that they should not be exempt from suspicion, and that 'I'm loud' is not a valid defence.

There seem to be two people now that everyone is suspicious of;
WaynetheGoblin
Meneltarmacil

I personally don't believe that Wayne is suspicious, just a little inexperienced and I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Menel I accused to begin with and I'll not let that go yet, I want to see some more posts first.

I also accused SamwiseGamgee, and may I say sir what a marvellous reply!
Kath accuseth me of foul, wolf shaped treachery! Oh, the outrage!
Seems a rather over the top response to a random accusation! And you'll let it go will you? How magnanimous of you. I certainly think I'll be watching you.

[Glirdan]

My dear Wayne, if you don't want to get lynched on the first day, please, for your sake, make up a deffence! Otherwise, I will have no choice but to vote for you seeing as there really is no one else I suspect of any "furry" activity. And as I said before, the only suspicion of the phantom I have is that he is the cobbler. Other that that there really isn't anyone else.

[Kitanna]

I would personally like to see something from Gil. He has been very quiet and the one post he had was rather pointless.

[Holbytlass]

I see a wagon of band coming through....

I see nothing wolfish of Wayne's teeth statement, for heaven's sake he's a dentist! And as for his lack of defence, well, I for one chalk it up to newness.
It seems to me that there are some who feel that The Phantom is the cobbler. So why are there villagers quick to say they are going to vote Wayne, a possible werecreature/anti-villager than The Phantom, a probable anti-villager at the very least?
Now I know this is going to land me in a muck pile, but I put this out there to make people think.

[Glirdan]

I see what you mean Holbytlass, it just seemes to me, as I'm sure it did to Wilwa and Alcarillo, that he sounded rather wolfish. But now you have me torn in mind for whom I will be voting for. I don't know whether I should vote for the phantom or Wayne. If Wayne is a wolf, he poses the greater threat than the Cobbler. I mean, what can the Cobbler do? He doesn't know who the werewolves are or who the werebear is, therefor, when he votes, he could be putting out one of those he would like to win. I'm still leaning towards voting for Wayne, but the phantom is now a possibility.

[Meneltarmacil]

I don't really think lynching Wayne would really do a whole lot for us. I mean, yes it would get rid of his unhelpful posting, but I do not believe it will really help us track down the werebeasts. As for the phantom, it's kind of hard to tell exactly what he is from what he said. He is probably not a wolf unless he's double-bluffing, which I agree he is clever enough to do. He may be the Bear, using his post to try and convince us he's innocent, but I personally don't think there's enough evidence to say anything at this time.

Kath, both you and Shelob seem to want me to explain myself. May I ask why you suspect me?

[Kitanna]

I agree with you, Holbytlass, at least about Wayne. I can say that I will defiantly not be voting for him today. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's new. Though should his lack of defense continue I will have to change my stance on him.

As for the phantom I think if he's gifted at all he's probably the cobbler and therefore does not need to be lynched yet. The cobbler isn't all that dangerous at the beginning of the game.

As of right now I do not know how to vote. It looks like I will pull a random name from the list and vote for them.

[wilwarin538]

Well I don't think I will vote for the phantom, even though some think he is a cobbler. I think that he has some could ideas, and I think he could indeed help us. Even if he is the cobbler he is clueless about the identities of the Weres just as much as we are, so he isn't a threat. Now I'm not defending the cobbler, not at all, I just think that the phantom could have good ideas.

Originally posted by Kath
There is just one thing that I would like to mention right now and that is this belief that having people who are loud in the village is so exceedingly important that we must not kill anyone who is able to make a sensible and seemingly helpful post of over three paragraphs. Now yes, it is important that we have people who can do this but what we have to beware of is that these people could be werewolves, the cobbler or the werebear. I am not saying lynch all the loud people, I just want everyone to realise that this is possible and that they should not be exempt from suspicion, and that 'I'm loud' is not a valid defence.

As Kath said, those who post a lot of valuable posts are better to keep around instead of a bunch of people who don't really participate. So I think we should keep phantom around, since the cobbler isn't a threat to us at this point any way. I think we should consintrate on the Wolves and the Bear. They are our main threats right now.

So unless I become suspicious of someone else, or Wayne actually posts something to defend himself, Wayne is probably who I will vote for.

EDIT:Cross posted with a few people: I supose I might have been a tad harsh about Wayne, he is new at this, as I was at one point, so I think I will back off of him a little. I just really wish he would at least try to defend himself. If he continues to post like this, then I will have to vote for him, though not toDAy most likely. Now I just don't know. :confused:

[Holbytlass]

Here's something else to muddy the waters....
If The Phantom is the cobbler, then he is double-bluffing. Reasonable enough, he's a smart guy BUT, then he is bluffing using a plan that whether his bluffing works or not will help the villagers and that is a very un-cobblerish thing to do.
To put it plainer, I think The Phantom is a helpful villager and Wayne the Goblin doesn't deserve our votes today.

But then who does?!....

ther's still time to gleen from what has been (or not been) posted.

[Glirdan]

I believe I will do as Kitanna is doing. I will give Wayne the benefit of the doubt. But, should he be accused once more and not come up witha reasonable deffence, I will be forced to vote for them, unless there is someone more likely. I'm not quite decided in mind, therefor, I might vote for Wayne. If there is anyone else now who should be considered, it would be Gil. He posted once, and hasn't said a thing since. We should be looking towards him now. The phantom is now exempt in my books and I will not be voting for him.

[Shelob]

I see nothing wolfish of Wayne's teeth statement, for heaven's sake he's a dentist!

I was probing for responses myself...and it was a rather strange thing to say, you think it wouldn't so much be his teeth as his practice that would suffer if he was so distraught at our loss...

...in any case I haven't seen much to make me want to vote for anyone. At best I'd say that the "Phantom as Cobbler", or the "SamwiseGamgee is hiding something" suggestions are the two possibilities with the most empirical (or as empirical as is possible) evidence for them, and even those are very probably ill-phrasing or paranoia induced readings. And then there are the people who haven't said/contributed enough for anyone to really consider them one way or the other...

Meneltarmacil, I just like responses, they're practically the only thing we've got to work with today. Add to that the fact I was just picking you because your name had come up the most at that point I feel yours and Alcarillo's points about those being "shots in the dark" based off your occupation are enough. Not enough to wipe you completely from my radar, but enough to keep me happy.

As it stands though I've got WaynetheGoblin, Meneltarmacil, Phantom and SamwiseGamgee all hovering high on my radar....most likely I'll vote for one of them.

Though speaking of voting I may have to do mine earlier than I should like, certainly too early for it to be the best of decisions, however as I've a little while yet before I must go care for my Llamas (I've decided to move them all into my house, that way I'll be able to guard them better) I'll wait, watch and think deeply about what to do with the little I have...

...Until then.

[Kath]

Kath, both you and Shelob seem to want me to explain myself. May I ask why you suspect me?
My accusation of you at the beginning was completely random and based on nothing more than me looking at the list of names and choosing the three that jumped out at me. However, once I had picked you I realised that there were quite a few others that felt the same. It seemed odd that a lot of people would have the same suspicion and so I looked to you to explain or defend yourself so I would have more posts/words from you to use to make some kind of decision about you. So far this has not happened and so I am unable to decide whether I think you guilty or innocent. Does that answer your question?

[Alcarillo]

Well, I don't think the phantom is guilty of anything. Menel is simply facing some anti-zookeeper-ism. Wayne is probably just a blundering new guy, although I might vote for him if nobody else comes along. Somebody must die today. I'd like a few more posts from those quiet people.

[Glirdan]

I'd like a few more posts from those quiet people.

I quite agree Alcarillo. Where is Gil and Bergil to defend themselves? As it stands, I might vote for Wayne. I don't see any harm in Menel seeing as he is just the zoo-keeper and as you put it Alcarillo, he is just facing "anti-zookeeper-ism" and is most likely no harm to anyone and I really don't see any harm in Samwise either, but I may vote for him. He is another who needs to defend himself.

[Holbytlass]

Unless something hugely profound comes along and I seriously doubt it, this being the first day and all, I shall be voting for Bergil because he has said nothing and has not stated elsewhere that he wouldn't be able to and it has been 19 1/2 hours to at least make an appearance.

[wilwarin538]

I agree Holby, I suppose Bergil is really the only choice we have. I will wait though before I vote, just in case.

[Kath]

Now hold on just a cotton pickin' minute because I am a little confused here. There are some people who think that the phantom is the Cobbler, and yet they are not going to vote for him. Rather they are going to vote for someone they believe to be innocent just because the phantom is loud. I do recall just warning against that but it seems no one listened. Yes, ok, we need loud and clever people but what we do not need is a loud and clever person that many people think to be in league with the werecreatures! Remember, the Cobbler is not on our side! S/he will become dangerous to us in the near future and if we don't suspect anyone of being a wolf then surely it is better to vote for a person you think to be against the village than someone you simply have not heard from.

Now I am not saying vote for the phantom because I personally don't think he is the Cobbler, but what I am saying is that if you think he is you should vote for him rather than just picking someone else at random that you don't truly have suspicions of, just to keep a loud person alive.

[Alcarillo]

Now I'm not sure if I should vote for Wayne or Bergil, but I'll probably vote for the former.

I agree with Kath that you should vote for the phantom if you think he's suspicious. Vote for who you think is guilty.

In my case, I don't have very many ideas of who's guilty and who's not, but I think lynching an unhelpful person is the best we can do.

[wilwarin538]

I don't think the phantom is the Cobbler. Even if he is though, he isn't a threat to us now, in a few Days where the cobbler could start to become a threat then I think the phantom would be most peoples first choice, not mine mind you. I don't think we should lynch someone who could have good ideas, just incase he is innocent. At this point I have no idea. Bergil is really the only one I could vote for, Wayne is still a possibility though.

[Kitanna]

Now I am not saying vote for the phantom because I personally don't think he is the Cobbler, but what I am saying is that if you think he is you should vote for him rather than just picking someone else at random that you don't truly have suspicions of, just to keep a loud person alive.

You make a valid point, Kath. But allow me to say that I have my suspicions of phantom as the cobbler, but I also know there is a good chance of him being innocent. Right now I am feeling he is not a werecreature of any sort and I do not want to cast my vote for him.

None of my suspicions today have any real foundations. So no matter who I vote for it will be a shot in the dark.
I suspect Wayne for his toothy remarks and lack of defense, but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for right now.
I suspect Samwise because he was the first to mention phantom's bear plan as a bad thing (he was not the only one thoug), but someone was bound to do that. Samwise just happened to be the first. Also Kath mentioned Samwise's over the top reaction to her accusation...strange, but right now I see that as no reason to cast him down.
Then there's Gil and Bergil who my only reason to suspect them is because of lack of posting, but I don't want to vote for either of them until they defend themselves.

So one way or the other my vote will be random and in the end will probably not count toward anything today. I do not believe any of my reasons for suspecting people are good enough to cast a vote and head them for the noose.

[Meneltarmacil]

For the record I am suspicious of the following people:

SamwiseGamgee, because of his attack on the phantom.

Bergil and Gil-Galad, due to their silence. WaynetheGoblin is a similar case, but he can be excused somewhat as stated earlier.

And the phantom himself does stand a slight chance of being the Bear, though I think it more likely that he is an innocent villager.

And now if you'll excuse me, the hippopotami must be fed.

[Shelob]

As I said, far to early and with far to little to base my decision on but yet I must vote for I know not if I'll have another chance.

Given what I have I feel it's unfair to vote for someone simply because they have spoken little, if at all. For that I am then ruling out WaynetheGoblin and anyone else who has posted practically nothing. Of the three remaining from my list then I'm left with SamwiseGamgee, Phantom and Meneltarmacil. However I have nothing worth basing a vote on for any of them.

Meneltarmacil was accused randomly and early, with enough suspicion stuck to him that I can't quite shake it.

Phantom made a suggestion to the bear which would, with luck and the bear's cooperation, thin out the ranks of the wolves quickly, but this could be a cobblerish trick or a bear's way of hiding out in the open, or the suggestion of an innocent more worried by the wolves than the bear.

As to SamwiseGamgee, his reaction to Kath could be a were-ish one, or it could just be ill-phrased, his accusition of the Phantom could be a coverup, it could be gauging for a reaction.


Of those three I'm torn between Phantom or SamwiseGamgee being the more worthy of a vote. However since I feel that the Phantom has, from what little there is, a better chance of being a danger to the village I shall vote for ++The Phantom and hope.

[the guy who be short]

Hail, fellow villagers.

I have returned from business early to horror and dismay! Unfortunately, I must turn in soon, and have had only enough time to glance at the earlier proceedings, so handily noted down.

I do not know who the wolves are. I do not know who the gifted's are. I can either vote blindly, most likely get it wrong, lead the voting, probably be lynched myself, and be mistrusted or I can note vote at all.

The latter seems a lot more appealing, and would be beneficial to my continued existance. However, it would mean I was not performing my social duties.

So vote I must.

++Alcarillo for being incompetant in protecting us from wolves!

It's as good a vote as any this Day.

Good Night.

[mormegil]

I find all this talk of the phantom to be a bit ridiculous. I cannot really believe him to be a werecreature or the cobbler. No I've spent some time with the fellow during my stay in this twisted little village and I have to say that no matter what he does he appears suspicious. So the fact that he appears 'normal' seems a good sign that he's innocent. So I'm pretty sure that he's not guilty. If anything the only thing I find cobblerish is that his normal behavior took up so much talk for one day. Now I would envision a cobbler phantom being a bit more subtle till near the end. I think his idea is somewhat sound and understandable. Basically he is asking the bear to benefit him/herself and the village as well. I don't think the cobbler would ask the bear to kill the werewolves (remember he would be on their team really). So let's stop diverting our attention from the real issue and get off this mentioning the phantom in nearly every post.

TGWBS has some pretty nefarious politics if he will openly admit he wants a competitor killed.

I'm glad to see that the village would like some of those who are quiet to talk a bit more. I don't think you need to be as loud or long as SpM, the phantom or myself for example but say at least something to give us an idication as to where you stand. Especially with so many people around having a good percentage being essentially silent is rather tedious.

I guess I will hold that I find Menel suspicious, if for no other reason than a gut feeling. Sometimes you just have to trust your own instincts. Why trusting those has kept me alive so far.

I don't think Shelob is really guilty and I find that she is contributing much to the discussion.

Kath is worrying me a bit. Again something just doesn't sit right and another gut feeling.

Wayne--Let him live at least one more day

So currently I think I will vote either Kath or Menel.

[Alcarillo]

It's as good a vote as any this Day.

True, true.

Should I vote for Bergil or Wayne? Those are the two I think are best to be lynched. At least Wayne has said something. We have no idea about Bergil. I feel as though we should lynch the silent, if they won't help the village. So, here goes.

++Bergil

[Gil-Galad]

Wayne and Bergil are indeed quiet, as myself am as well and i admit that... i shall review and vote shortly

[mormegil]

I was thinking about it a bit more and I think that lynching Bergil may be a mistake. He's new in many respects and ought to give him the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he had some urgent carpentry business that needed to be dealt with and was unable to inform anybody of his absence. The Ent's have some wisdom on no being too hasty in matters. I think that is a lesson we could take now.

[the phantom]

Ha ha! This is hilarious.

Some of you guys think I am the cobbler, and a couple still think I might be the bear.

I'm currently preparing a post to put down those ideas. Wait and read it, and after you read it ask yourself if you really believe I'm a bad guy.

[Cailín]

My fellow villagers, sorry for my almost complete silence up till now, but I was rather caught up in daily affairs, as happens so every now and then.

I've been reading carefully what you all said, and so far, I'm mostly confused. Sure, the phantom's idea sounds very sensible, but I don't know if we can trust people who are so willing to strike a deal with evil. Also Gil-Galad has said little, except concern for his bird. Odd, but not truly suspicious.

Wayne, I think, is just an inexperienced lad who does not really know what to say in the face of a tragedy.

A lot of names have been thrown around so far, especially names of the extremely loud and quiet ones.

Kitanna & Kath seem very sensible to me and I feel inclined to trust both. Which is just the reason why I think something's fishy about them.

Durelin's name has not been mentioned yet, but I'd say her death would at least clear up some confusion since I don't understand half what she says and what I do understand, I don't particularly like (though 'la' sounds rather nice :) ).

So far, I think my vote will go to Bergil. He has not been very helpful so far. But I do not distrust him, so it's really for lack of a true suspect...

[Kitanna]

Talk of lynching Bergil is utterly ridiculous. Lynching him for his silence at this point will most likely solve nothing. It's possible he's a wolf of course, but his silence at this point should not be a reason. Should Bergil say something in the next few and then fall silent once again then perhaps he should be lynched, but for now I don't think he should be killed.

I must step out for a bit and I have not decided how to throw my vote. Hopefully I will return in time to vote...

[the phantom]

Now, I would like to put a stop to the idea that I am the bear. I thought I settled the matter fairly well in this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=410688&postcount=26) post (read it again if you wish), but if you want further evidence look at what someone else said.

Posted by Holby-
As for myself I am most incline to believe The Phantom.
Thank you.
While I do think he is smart for a double-bluff...
...true...
...I think he definitely would think of all possibilities about drawing attention to himself, especially from the seer
Exactly! Of course I would've thought of that, and therefore would not have done it. Your analysis is perfect, Holby.

If I am a bear or wolf then I am a foolish one- and anyone who knows me knows I am not foolish. I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but the fact is I could do a much better job at werewolfing or werebearing than what I have done today, and anyone who has seen me in action knows it.

Now, I will get rid of the idea that I am the cobbler.

First, since when does the cobbler want the werecreatures to kill each other? He/she is on their side, so why would he/she ask the werebear to try and kill the wolves?

He/she wouldn't. He/she doesn't want any werecreatures to die.

Also- and most importantly- the cobbler's purpose is to cause confusion. That's what he/she is good for. Now- why in the world would a cobbler attempt to mess with people and confuse them so EARLY? At this point, we are all plenty confused! We have no information to work with- no votes, no deaths, no anything!

I ask you, what fool of a cobbler would try and make a move at this point in the game? It is irrational. A cobbler would want to bide his time and try and strike a blow at a critical juncture. Now is not a critical time. Now is simply a shot in the dark. A cobbler can't do much damage this early, so why try to and thus call attention to himself/herself?

Once again, I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but if I was the cobbler I would be playing much better than this, and you know it.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

hmmm... I don't right now see much danger from Phantom...His plan is helpful to us supposing it works, and therefore, at least for now, I am not suspicious that he is a wolf or the cobbler or what have you.

I, too, am going to give Wayne a break toDAY. It's his first game and no one wants to be killed off on their first day. His tooth comment was strange, but I agree with everyone else that it was inexperience. (but the way to fix inexperience is to post, so where are you, Wayne, and what is your opinion?)

Besides, Bergil still hasn't shown his face at all, not even to make a two-line nothing post, and has not explained his absence. Unless he shows up soon, he will probably get my vote. Not that I find him suspicious because of silence (he's *too* silent for that), but out of lack of anyone else better to vote for so early on.

[wilwarin538]

I am not suspicious at all of phantom and I never have been. Bergil has not said any thing, and even Wayne has defended himself somewhat. So Bergil has my vote today,

++Bergil

I just hope that we get lucky and he is a wolf or a bear.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I am sorry for my absence, it wasn't very smart of me. I am grateful that you all gave me an extra day. I will make it up to you. My vote is for:

++Alcarillo

Because I've got a bad feeling about him.

[Cailín]

Talk of lynching Bergil is utterly ridiculous. Lynching him for his silence at this point will most likely solve nothing. It's possible he's a wolf of course, but his silence at this point should not be a reason. Should Bergil say something in the next few and then fall silent once again then perhaps he should be lynched, but for now I don't think he should be killed.

I do believe you are right. But I also think the phantom's defence to be convincable enough to let him live for now.

I'm now torn between SamwiseGamgee for attacking the phantom's plan (though someone was bound to), or maybe Glirdan - since he was all over poor Wayne, who I think is an innocent. Also, he underestimates the power of the Cobbler... Kath also seems a little bit suspicious, though I can't quite explain why.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I'm back!

Sorry for not contributing as much as I would have liked. Those mushrooms can't be left unharvested and it's been a long day in the fields.

Mushroom anyone?

My thoughts on the proceedings to date:

The phantom: Not a Bear for the reasons that he and others have stated. The Bear will not be doing anything to draw attention to him/her-self to-Day. Not the Cobbler because he put forward an ant-Wolf plan and, in any event, the Cobbler does not need to draw attention to him/her-self to-Day. If he's bluffing, he's a Wolf. After all, the Bear will already have concluded that trying to kill the Wolves is to his/her benefit, and so a Wolfish phantom loses nothing by saying it, but can use it to point to his innocence. But I tend to think that he is merely an innocent villager putting forward a sensible proposal to the Bear.

Glirdan has got my suspicions up. He(?) talks a lot but does little more than agree with what others have posted and repeat the accusations and points that others have made. Might he be a beast trying to stay inconspicuous?

Meneltarmacil has done little to counter the (admittedly light-hearted) accusations made against him. He merely asks the reason for the accusations. Is he a beast trying not to say too much and thus avoid being caught out?

Kath suggests that people vote for the phantom if they think that he's the Cobbler (as many seem to). The phantom is almost certainly not the Cobbler. Is she suggesting that people vote for him because she is a lycanthrope and wants to try to eliminate a potentially dangerous opponent while avoiding openly accusing him herself?

As for those who have said little or nothing to date, I will not be holding this against them. Not only does it seem unfair to vote for those who have not had an opportunity to defend themselves, but it seems unlikely to me that a beast would do such a thing on the first Day. As has been shown, it draws too much suspicion. And Wayne is probably just a new guy slightly unsure of himself. He may be worth a vote in a Day or two if he continues to be unhelpful. But not yet.

I plan on voting for someone who has contributed reasonably regularly without giving too much away. Glirdan, Menel and Kath seem to fit this category nicely, although I will review proceedings to see whether there might be any other suitable candidates.

[Kath]

Kath suggests that people vote for the phantom if they think that he's the Cobbler (as many seem to). The phantom is almost certainly not the Cobbler. Is she suggesting that people vote for him because she is a lycanthrope and wants to try to eliminate a potentially dangerous opponent while avoiding openly accusing him herself?
No Mr Saucepan Man I am not. What I was trying to do was put right something I think shouldn't happen, the habit of not voting for a person just because they are loud. the phantom was simply an example since at the time some people believed him to be suspicious.

I think I am going to have to vote now as I daren't miss the deadline and I do have to go to bed at some point! My suspicions earlier lay upon Menel, SamwiseGamgee and mormegil and I have to say that I haven't really felt that any of them have cleared themselves, at least in my view. But I have to vote for one and as I can't choose I will simply pick the first from the list so:

++MENELTARMACIL

[Gil-Galad]

Talk of lynching Bergil is utterly ridiculous. Lynching him for his silence at this point will most likely solve nothing. It's possible he's a wolf of course, but his silence at this point should not be a reason. Should Bergil say something in the next few and then fall silent once again then perhaps he should be lynched, but for now I don't think he should be killed.

I must step out for a bit and I have not decided how to throw my vote. Hopefully I will return in time to vote...


hmm...Kitanna could be right, but she could also be a werewolf trying to save Bergil that is another werewolf... very interesting... i'll have too go

++KITANNA

if you are innocent, my apologies, but i can't take that chance now

[Cailín]

Well, I have been rereading this discussion, but don't feel all the much wiser for it. However, bed is calling, and I will have to make a decision now.

Folwren, Durelin, Nilp, Gil-Galad, Wayne and Bergil all have said too little or nothing at all to raise my suspicion. Voting for any of them doesn't seem like a sensible thing to do if we want to save our beloved village as soon as possible.

Holbytlass, TGWBS, The Saucepan Man, Kitanna, wilwarin538 and Shelob all seem innocent to me, so far.

Meneltarmacil has been accused many times, especially of being the bear and even rather pointedly by Folwren. This certainly draws attention and they may have seen things I missed.

Alcarillo, our dear mayor, has not behaved very tactfully today. But even Presidents make political mistakes every now and then and this is a rather stressful period for him. So, I have no real suspicion towards him.

Kath has been highly opinionated, too fierce maybe. Perhaps she took the attack on her garden very personally? I will be watching her, that's certain.

The Phantom drew the most attention today, but even though his plan is not extremely helpful, it is not a bad plan either. I hope the Werebear sees the sense in it, too.

Azaelia of Willowbottom... a bad feeling. I can't help it. Too innocent with all her cute little flowers.

mormegil is a newcomer in our town and I am surprised not all fingers pointed towards him immediately. He definitely seems to have a strong position, even though he has only been with us for a short time, and therefore could be dangerous.

SamwiseGamgee, I just don't know about him. A lot of you seem to suspect him, but his reaction to the phantom and Kath's accusation seemed too rash for a well-thinking wolf.

Glirdan is my main suspect. He has been pointing fingers a lot, especially to the quiet, inexperienced ones, and seems to want to be good friends with everybody, agreeing and nodding a lot, changing his mind randomly... I am aware I did so myself a few times, but I was suffering from a great shock, you know. Since I will be retiring soon, I will now vote for

++GLIRDAN

and hope the best of it.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, the reason I haven't said much to counter the accusations against me is because the only reasons given are the facts that I hang around animals a lot (true, but what good zookeeper doesn't?), order raw meat from Morm (My lions, tigers, etc. need it), and may have let a bear escape from my zoo (which I didn't do, I assure you those pens are secure and in no way has Bergil had any hand in building them). Such reasons are only due to my occupation and in no way are they related to what I have said so far.

Kath accused me shortly after Morm and SpM made their lighthearted accusations and Shelob seems to have joined in on it as well. I think at least one of these people may be a bandwagoning werebeast. And as stated above, Kath wants people to vote for the phantom as the Cobbler when he is taking a position completely contrary to what the Cobbler should be doing. Granted, it may be a double-bluff and he is clever enough to pull one off so the possibility is not out of my mind. But for now, my vote goes to

++Kath

[mormegil]

I will vote

++KATH

one other reason to add is that she voted for my other suspect (Menel) which makes me think she is trying to throw our attention to him, who many have mentioned, thus avoiding the noose today herself.

[Glirdan]

I see some of you have accused my of being a werecreature. Why would I kill one of my best customers who is also one of my dearest friends. As for the Llama, I like llama's. They're cute and cuddly and I would never do anything to harm Shelob.

As for me being hasty in voting for Wayne. I take that back. I will not vote for Wayne. I was just in grief and shock after the death of poor Enca and he was the only one who made me suspicous of anybody.

The phantom convinced me that he is no werecreature or cobbler.

I will not vote for Bergil until he has said something. If he hasn't said anything I might vote for him.

Kittana is making me suspicious because of her saying that voting for Bergil is "utterly ridiculous". She might get my vote.

Menel and Alcarillo both seem inocent. People are accusing Menel due to the fact that he's the zoo-keeper. Our dear mayor hasn't done anything of great suspicon today and I see no point in voting for him.

Wilwa, Folwren, Holby and Shelob all seem inocent to me.

TGWBS casting his vote for Alcarillo seems a little suspicous to me. Maybe he's the wolf, wants to get rid of the current mayor and become mayor instead. He is on the list.

The rest are all to silent to vote for. I will wait a little longer before casting my vote.

[the phantom]

Mr. Saucepan, your assesment of my behavior is correct. I am certainly not the cobbler or bear- wolf is the only possibility, and that possibility is slim seeing as I have attracted attention to myself- which puts me high up on the seer's list to dream about at night. Logically, only someone with nothing to hide would put forth an attention getting plan on the first day.

I don't have too much time right now (I'm trying to divide my attention between this and my daily duties), but someone might want to take a look back at reactions to me. As Saucy said, to the werecreatures I am "a potentially dangerous opponent", so would that make the beasts try to get me lynched?

On the other hand, they might try and buddy up to me during the day in hopes that I would ignore them.

I have more to say before the day is done, but I will wait a bit. I'm not sure if I will vote or not. It depends on who is on the chopping block, whether or not my vote will matter, and if I feel inclined to lynch someone over someone else (which isn't likely, seeing as we have no concrete evidence at this time).

Also, keeping the votes low might help find the wolves. You see, when the voting is very close, the wolves feel more pressure to help out one of their fellows if he/she has a couple votes. Where as, if one person has nine votes and the second place vote getter has only three, if the person with three is a wolf then the other wolves know he/she is safe because the other person is so far ahead.

Perhaps I'm not explaining terribly well, but I think you understand what I am getting at. Having multiple candidates rather than one bandwagon vote-getter sometimes makes the individual votes more meaningful (more telling).

[Holbytlass]

I stand by my decision earlier and I have some major scooping to do for the next three hours, so I vote now.


++BERGIL

As I don't find The Phantom suspicious at all or any of the others mentioned for being quiet as profoundly suspicious.

[The Saucepan Man]

Glirdan is my main suspect. He has been pointing fingers a lot, especially to the quiet, inexperienced ones, and seems to want to be good friends with everybody, agreeing and nodding a lot, changing his mind randomly...Very true. However, I have a feeling that he is just an excitable chap who is eager to contribute and to agree with what others say. He's not off my list, but I shall probably give him the benefit of the doubt today.

Another two who fit the pattern of contributing regularly without saying too much are Alcarillo and Shelob.

Shelob voted first and voted for the phantom. I have a feeling that the phantom is innocent (although nothing is certain at this stage). There had been much suspicion voiced about the phantom and it is possible that Shelob was trying to start a bandwaggon against a formidable opponent.

Alcarillo accused Wayne when he was top of many people's suspicion list, but then voted for Bergil when he saw the accusations against him massing. He may well be a beast trying to hide his vote amongst someone that he thinks other villagers will vote for.

So my current suspicion list is:

Kath
Meneltarmacil
Glirdan
Shelob
Alcarillo

Quite a long list, but that is to be expected at this stage.

As I said, I'm prepared to give Glirdan the benefit of the doubt to-Day. I am also willing to forego voting for Kath to-Day as her explanation for urging people to vote for the phantom was a good one.

Hmm, I shall have to ponder which one of the remaining three suspects will gain my vote to-Day.

[Glirdan]

Seeing as I have to go tend to my cheese shop, I will cast my vote now. I will give Kitanna a break today an dvote for... ++Bergil

Good night everyone. If Bergil is innocent and gets the noose, I will be sorely upset that I was part of the group that condemned him to this fate. Good night to everyone.

[SamwiseGamgee]

I find all this talk of the phantom to be a bit ridiculous. I cannot really believe him to be a werecreature or the cobbler. No I've spent some time with the fellow during my stay in this twisted little village and I have to say that no matter what he does he appears suspicious. So the fact that he appears 'normal' seems a good sign that he's innocent. So I'm pretty sure that he's not guilty. If anything the only thing I find cobblerish is that his normal behavior took up so much talk for one day. Now I would envision a cobbler phantom being a bit more subtle till near the end. I think his idea is somewhat sound and understandable. Basically he is asking the bear to benefit him/herself and the village as well. I don't think the cobbler would ask the bear to kill the werewolves (remember he would be on their team really). So let's stop diverting our attention from the real issue and get off this mentioning the phantom in nearly every post.

Is it just me, or does that seem a little werewolfish. It really does seem like he's accusing and yet defending at the same time. Very wolfish. And, as SpM said, the only real possibility for the phantom is werewolf. Are the two perhaps working in unison? I wonder.

Edit: Italics not working as anticipated

[Kitanna]

Kitanna is making me suspicious because of her saying that voting for Bergil is "utterly ridiculous". She might get my vote.

Oh yes, I must be a wolf because I find it unfair to lynch someone who has not yet defended himself. Despite the fact of course there could have been RL problems, no no, I must be suspicious because RL problems of another player should not be taken into account here.

I care not what anyone thinks. I would rather see Bergil defend himself before throwing a vote out for him. Should he live past today and remains silent tomorrow then I will most likely vote for him, but until that time I will not do such a thing.

[SamwiseGamgee]

Quick double post, I know, but after some cross posting I went back and noticed that mormegil voted for Kath immediately after Menel, and with almost no reasoning. That looks rather wolfish to me.

[The Saucepan Man]

I am very suspicious of all these votes for Bergil - someone who has not even had the opportunity to defend himself. And it seems very un-Wolf/Bear-like to me to say absolutely nothing on the first day. It is bound to attract suspicion (as indeed it has).

Alcarillo started the votes against Bergil having already received a vote himself and knowing (on the basis of accusations already voiced) that others would probably vote for Bergil too. So, for the reasons stated above and to try to prevent what I perceive as a possible injustice against Bergil, I will cast my vote for:

++ALCARILLO

I am not saying that Bergil is innocent. Merely that he ought to have an opportunity to defend himself before we string him up.

If Alcarillo is hanged and found to be guilty, or if Bergil is lynched and found to be innocent, I think that we should all take a very close look at those who have voted to-Day for Bergil.

[Kitanna]

I have read through Glirdan's post and he has made his way to my suspects list. He seems rather fickle, which is not a reason to string him up, but it bears looking into.

He starts out with SpM and Morm on his list of suspects. Then he says he believes the phantom's plan is werecreaturish, but says he has no suscipions of him. In that same post he says that Wayne is is suspect for his toothy comment. Yet he gives no reason as to why he changed his mind about Morm and SpM.

I don't have time highlight everything, but he did say this about Bergil and Gil.
And I'm not voting for anybody until we've heard from them.
And yet you vote for Bergil...strange.

For that I will now cast my vote. My picking randomly method is out and I have decided upon

++ Glirdan

[the phantom]

And, as SpM said, the only real possibility for the phantom is werewolf. Are the two perhaps working in unison? I wonder.
No.

If I was a wolf I would not have allowed my fellow wolf to defend me, and I imagine that if SP was a wolf he would refrain from defending a fellow wolf- particularly when the need is not desperate (I only have one vote, so it doesn't look like I need to be saved).

Now, how about some pre-night strategy?

Most people have accepted at this point that it is unlikely that I am guilty. This makes me a target tonight because wolves usually try to keep the most suspicious villagers around (in other words, they kill the ones most provably innocent).

Also, I'm a pretty smart guy, so that also would make the wolves want to kill me.

Third, it is possible that the seer will dream of me tonight or the next night. Though the seer likely believes I am innocent (as most people do), he/she will probably want to be sure because of my reputation for being a formidable foe. If the seer dreams of me, I will become a proven innocent- something that can really hurt the wolves.

The wolves know that if enough proven innocents are floating around, the village will win, because if the village absolutely has to it will institute a mass lynching enforced by the proven innocents.

Now, if I am found to be innocent but I am killed during the night, the seer's dream has been rendered useless. Therefore, the fact that the seer is likely to dream of me makes the wolves REALLY want me dead.

So, I would like to make a suggestion. Seer- go ahead and dream of me. If you are able to later move me to "proven innocent" status it will be helpful to the village.

Ranger- guard me tonight. The wolves want to kill me because I am smart and I might soon be a proven innocent, so it might be worth your effort to keep me safe tonight.

Just imagine- what if the wolves decide to kill me and are foiled?! No wolf kill! That would be excellent!

And I hear you saying, "Well, they won't try now that they think you're going to be guarded."

I'm not so sure. I think that they may very well out think themselves and think, "Since the Ranger thinks the wolves won't kill Phantom, he/she'll probably guard someone else, thus leaving Phantom open." And then they will try to kill me.

Werebear- tonight, kill whoever you think is a werewolf. If you're wrong (you probably will be) then you still win because you will kill a villager, so you have nothing to lose.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Azaelia of Willowbottom... a bad feeling. I can't help it. Too innocent with all her cute little flowers.



I can't help the occupation I chose before any of us knew our roles in the village. What can I say? I like flowers. Maybe I should be suspicious of you because you constantly crochet? It comes to the same thing, all arts and crafts-y.

I'd feel bad about voting for Bergil because he hasn't been able to defend himself. I think that probably all the werewolves are out there, actively posting already. It's beyond me at this early point to decipher who is hiding a fanged and furry secret, though. So unless Bergil shows up in the next 15 minutes, I may vote for him.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Just thought I'd make up a list of votes...

Alcarillo-3 (TGWBS, Wayne, Sauce)
Bergil-3 (Alacrillo, Wilwa, Holbytlass)
Meneltarmacil-1 (Kath)
Kitanna-1 (Gil)
Glirdan-2(Cailin, Kitanna)
Kath-2(Nenel, Mormegil)

And add me to the

++Bergil group just because it's 7:29 and I don't know what else to do.

[Encaitare]

"Sorry, Bergil," the villagers said as they fastened a noose around his neck. "We don't really have any reason to suspect you... but hey, that's they way things go sometimes, isn't it? Some days you're the dog, and some you're the tree." Bergil did not look comforted at all.

"It's not fair!" he said as he stood upon the rickety gallows which he had built himself some time ago.

"It is pretty ironic," the villagers giggled. "But someone's got to die toDay, because that's how it is."

One of them pulled the lever that let the trapdoor fall open, and Bergil fell. So did the entire gallows, pulled apart by the jerk his body made on the rope. The lumber collapsed on him, and there was silence.

"Should we see if he's alive?" they wondered. Cautiously, they lifted the fallen pieces of wood away. Underneath was a blood-covered, clearly dead, and clearly ordinary corpse.

"Someone had better build a new gallows," the villagers muttered as they went off to bed.

~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Folwren
Shelob
Holbytlass
the guy who be short
Meneltarmacil
WaynetheGoblin
wilwarin538
Alcarillo
Durelin
Saucepan Man
Kath
the phantom
Azaelia of Willowbottom
Cailín
Nilpaurion Felagund
Kitanna
mormegil
Gil-Galad
SamwiseGamgee
Glirdan

The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1
Bergil (Ordinary Villager) - Crushed under the gallows on DAY 1

It is now NIGHT 2. I need names from the Wolves, Bear, Seer, Hunter, and Guardian. Wolves may PM; Shirriffs must stop.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Durelin, but her (really late) vote did not affect the outcome of the lynching.

[Encaitare]

DAY 2

The villagers awoke the next morning with some trepidation. As each ate a quick breakfast, he or she hoped that the Werecreatures had not struck again. But when they gathered in the village square, they realized that not one, not two, but three of the villagers were not present: the guy who be short, SamwiseGamgee, and Kitanna.

They went first to SamwiseGamgee’s house…

The previous night, the guy who be short sat in his house, sharpening his various weapons. “I’m almost sure who one of those wolves is… it’s got to be SamwiseGamgee!” he said to himself. “And I’m going to make sure that he doesn’t plague this village anymore!” Stealthily, he sneaked out his back door and over to Samwise’s house.

When he got there, he threw the door open, brandishing his sword Sintúril, Flame of the Short. “Ha-hah!” he shouted. “You wolfish fiend! Behold, I shall slay thee!” Samwise tried to defend himself, but TGWBS overpowered and killed him.

TGWBS had triumphed – but then he thought, “If he was a wolf, why didn’t he change? Oh no!” He realized that he had killed an innocent! In anguish he returned home.

“Oh no!” was what the villagers also thought as they ran to TGWBS’s home. They found his body surrounded by weapons; it seemed the wolves had impaled him on his own sword. On the floor next to him was written (by a wolfish paw, it appeared), SPILLER OF INNOCENT BLOOD.

Finally, they went to Kitanna’s little house on the outskirts of town. They never thought that Kitanna had liked them all very much, not since they had pointed out to her that there was no such thing as the “cable TV” she had always blathered on about.

None of them had even been inside Kitanna’s home before, so the décor quite astounded them. Upon the walls were angry statements, such as STUPID VILLAGERS, I HOPE THEY ALL DIE and WERECREATURES RULE and CABLE IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN SATELLITE. In the next room was Kitanna’s body – and just her body. Her severed head was placed inside a box with the front removed so that her face stared out at them. Yet the villagers seemed even more baffled by the strange messages.

“What does it mean?” they wondered. “Cable? Satellite?”

“Maybe she didn’t like the moon,” one suggested. “And she liked… string.”

“No, dummy, she can’t have not liked the moon if she was on the Werecreatures’ side,” another countered. “But the string… you may have a point there.”

“What a stupid anachronism,” someone finally said, and they all nodded in agreement.

Living:

Folwren
Shelob
Holbytlass
Meneltarmacil
WaynetheGoblin
wilwarin538
Alcarillo
Durelin
Saucepan Man
Kath
the phantom
Azaelia of Willowbottom
Cailín
Nilpaurion Felagund
mormegil
Gil-Galad
Glirdan

The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1
Bergil (Ordinary Villager) - Crushed under the gallows on DAY 1
SamwiseGamgee (Ordinary Villager) – Killed by Hunter on NIGHT 2
TGWBS (Hunter) – Impaled by Wolves on NIGHT 2
Kitanna (Cobbler) – Given a TV closeup by Black Beorning on NIGHT 2

It is now DAY 2. Wolves, stop PMing. Shirriffs may communicate. Have at it, villagers!

[Gil-Galad]

And add me to the

++Bergil group just because it's 7:29 and I don't know what else to do.


woah... well i find Azaelias post, she could be a werewolf trying to join the crowd with Bergil... shes on my suspicons list

[Gil-Galad]

everyone that voted for Bergil is now on my suspects list

Alacrillo, Wilwa, Holbytlass, Azaelia

and about my vote for Kitanna, my suspicons were right, she was the cobbler and thought that Bergil might be a werewolf... well those four are on my suspects list

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

When the plot thickens, boy, does it thicken! Hunter and cobbler revealed and killed on the second night!

woah... well i find Azaelias post, she could be a werewolf trying to join the crowd with Bergil... shes on my suspicons list

I assure you, I am innocent. I was working on making up a list of who had voted for who when I looked at the clock and had a heart attack because I had one minute left to vote. I picked Bergil because I had no suspicions of anyone, and I knew nothing about him. He had not even shown his face. I was reluctant to kill anyone who had made input because I didn't know enough about anyone. It was a last-second, random choice, fueled by the necessity of time, and one that I regretted the instant that I made it.

That being said, Alcarillo is now on my suspicion list. He led the voting for Bergil...And TGWBS was killed by werewolves. Those two have always had something of a political rivalry, and TGWBS even voted for Alcarillo...Or perhaps we're just being invited to draw an incorrect connection by the Wolves.

[Gil-Galad]

oddly enough, heres the list with 1 being the highest suspicons

1.Alacrillo
2.Holbytlass
3.Wilwa
4.Azaelia

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Yeah, that's pretty much mine, too. (If you ignore #4, that is)...just because I don't have anything better to go on than voting order at this point. I really want to see what those three have to say about their motives.

[Alcarillo]

That being said, Alcarillo is now on my suspicion list. He led the voting for Bergil...And TGWBS was killed by werewolves. Those two have always had something of a political rivalry, and TGWBS even voted for Alcarillo...Or perhaps we're just being invited to draw an incorrect connection by the Wolves.

The wolves frame me! I understood tgwbs vote against me as a half-baked guess based merely on role-playing, and I would not be so bold as to kill my obvious political rival. It also seems too bold for all the wolves to vote for one single person. Bergil was just a casualty of the unknown of the first day. And at least we didn't kill a loud innocent.

[mormegil]

Shelob voted Phantom
TGWBS voted Alcarillo
Alcarillo voted Bergil
Wilwarin voted Bergil
Wayne voted Alcarillo
Kath voted Meneltarmacil
Gil-Galad voted Kitanna
Cailin voted Glirdan
Meneltarmacil voted Kath
Mormegil voted Kath
Holbytlass voted Bergil
Glirdan voted Bergil
Saucepan Man voted Alcarillo
Kitanna voted Glirdan
Azaelia voted Bergil
Durelin voted Bergil (I believe but deleted that post???)

Did not vote
The phantom
Bergil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Folwren
Samwisegamgee

I find it interesting that Durelin removed her vote with no explanation. Would you like to state anything now?

Also all who voted for Bergil
Alcarillo
Wilwarin
Holbytlass
Glirdan
Azaelia
Durelin

I really cannot understand why you would vote for him. Nilp didn’t speak either and there was not mention of lynching him at all. I suspect somebody to be a wolf in there if not more. Holbytlass’s, Glirdan’s and Azaelia’s votes were at critical times When Bergil and Alcarillo were tied they came along and put a lot of distance between the two. But I don’t think we should eliminate anyone from that list for now. Though our cobbler thought Glirdan to be innocent, I believe, though that really doesn’t mean much.

I’m still highly suspicious of Kath and somewhat of Menel.


ps 1000 post :D

[WaynetheGoblin]

I think WILWA AND ALCARRILLO right now. They voted for bergil.

[Meneltarmacil]

What a tragedy. Three people dead (though at least we're rid of the Cobbler). What is this town coming to?

I notice that Azaelia's vote did put Bergil in the majority when the deadline was close and both he and Glirdan were about to be lynched. She does seem a little wolfish to me, but I think her defense of herself makes sense as well and therefore I'm going to reserve judgement for now.

And as for Alcarillo, the wolves may just have been trying to frame him, or he may be a double-bluffing wolf. (However, I doubt the latter is the case)

Glirdan, though, seems to have changed his mind on a lot of things and several people voted for him yesterDay. I think he may be up to something.

[Alcarillo]

Nilp didn’t speak either and there was not mention of lynching him at all.

Kath notified us of Nilp's abscence in the discussion thread.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I hate to say I told you so, but ...

... to try to prevent what I perceive as a possible injustice against Bergil ... :p

It was foolish to vote for him. Quite apart from the fact that he did not have any opportunity to defend himself, his death tells us very little because he said nothing yester-Day.

Anyway, here's how the voting went yester-Day (in order):

1. Shelob for the phantom (TP - 1)
2. TGWBS for Alcarillo (TP - 1; Alcarillo -1)
3. Alcarillo for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 1; Bergil - 1)
4. Wilwarin for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 1; Bergil - 2)
5. Wayne for Alcarillo (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2)
6. Kath for Meneltarmacil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1)
7. Gil-Galad for Kitanna (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1)
8. Cailin for Glirdan (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1)
9. Menel for Kath (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 1)
10. Mormegil for Kath (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 2; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
11. Holbytlas for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 3; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
12. Glirdan for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 2; Bergil - 4; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
13. The Saucepan Man for Alcarillo (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 4; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 1; Kath - 2)
14. Kitanna for Glirdan (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 4; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 2; Kath - 2)
15 Azaelia for Bergil (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 5; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 2; Kath - 2)
16. Durelin for The Saucepan Man (TP - 1; Alcarillo - 3; Bergil - 5; Menel - 1; Kitanna - 1; Glirdan - 2; Kath - 2; SpM - 1)

Did not vote:

Bergil
Folwren
Nilpaurion
SamwiseGamgee
The phantom

Something else I said yester-Day:

If Alcarillo is hanged and found to be guilty, or if Bergil is lynched and found to be innocent, I think that we should all take a very close look at those who have voted to-Day for Bergil.That certainly seems to be the case today. Although some seem to be picking on only some of the villagers who voted for Bergil.

*Glares at Gil-Galad and WaynetheGoblin*

Why didn't you include Glirdan in your list, Gil. And why did you only mention wilwarin and Alcarillo, Wayne?

Clearly, not all of those who voted for Bergil are guilty. But I do believe that at least one Wolf (and, if they were being particularly bold, possibly two) voted for him. He was a reasonably "safe" vote, at the outset of voting at least. He did not speak yester-Day and therefore few conclusions could be drawn against those voting for him.

But let's look at each one:

Alcarillo was the first to vote for Bergil (although a number of villagers had already indicated that they might vote for him). At that stage, Alcarillo already had a vote against him, so he may have been voting to save his furry skin. Then again, I doubt that a Wolvish Alcarillo would have killed TGWBS, who voted for him yester-Day. TGWBS's death was probably a clumsy attempt at a frame-up by the Wolves. Despite voting for him yester-Day, therefore, I am less inclined to think Alcarillo a Wolf to-Day (although, like anyone, he could be the Bear).

Wilwarin voted for Bergil to put him ahead of Alcarillo in the voting. Very suspicious if Alcarillo's a Wolf. Still somewhat suspicious even if not.

Holbytlas voted for Bergil to put him ahead of Alcarillo and Kath on the votes. Much the same applies as with wilwarin, with the added possibility that, if Kath is a Wolf, Holbytlas might have been voting to save her.

Glirdan voted for Bergil to give him a clear lead in the lynching stakes, having said that he would not vote for someone he had not heard from (and also having spent most of yester-Day flip-flopping between suspects). He remains very suspicious in my eyes.

Azaelia sealed Bergil's fate with her vote, having said that the Werewolves were probably all posting. Apparently, she panicked. A very strange panic vote. Surely better to vote for someone who stood no chance of lynching. But in her favour, if she was a Wolf, she would have known that Bergil was innocent (of Wolvery) and unlikely to be the Bear and that her vote would therefore attract suspicion to-Day.

My top suspects at the start of Day 2 are therefore:

Glirdan
Holbytlas
Wilwarin
Alcarillo
Azaelia.

[Gil-Galad]

i was going by Azealia's account of votes, i'm lazy alright


1.Alacrillo
2.Holbytlass
3.Glirdan
4.Wilwa
5.Azaelia

[Holbytlass]

I'd like to point out that even though I was the 3rd person to vote for Bergil, I was the first to say definitely who I was voting for, so it appears that the others are bandwaggoning. Again, I chose Bergil because he said nothing and had no prior excuse. I feel bad that he was innocent, which statistically he would be, but I am glad he at least wasn't a gifted.

Looking over everyone's statements yesterday, the three main ones that 'red flagged' were
Wilwarin she seems to be aligning herself with me

Cailin she's all over the board with her suspicions and accusations, is most suspicious of Menel based on "pointedly" by Folwren. Which I found to be nothing substantial than votes Glirdan.

Glirdanmostly suspicious of Wayne and Phantom and then Kittana but out of no where votes Bergil.

If I'm correct in my assumptions, then Wilwarin and Glirdan bandwagons on Bergil and Cailin votes for Glirdan to throw off suspicion when he isn't likely to be lynched.

[Folwren]

But it doesn't make sense that the wolves should vote for Bergil...he said nothing, therefore he was no danger to anybody. Why didn't they shoot at people who had accused them? The Phantom seems too dangerously smart for the wolves and bear to keep him alive. TGWBS was likely killed last night instead of being short because people know he's a good thinker, too. Why would they vote for Bergil? He was totally, and completely harmless to the wolves as long as he kept silent and said nothing.

However, as little as all that makes sense, my doubt still lies with Alcarillo. And because I have no time to say more (they were supposed to stay down watching that movie for another half hour, blast it, and now we have to clean up), I'll have to try to say my say tomorrow morning.

But I'm telling you, Alcarillo seems very, very questionable in my eyes.

-- Folwren

[The Saucepan Man]

i was going by Azealia's account of votes, i'm lazy alrightLazy by Day and fuzzy by Night, eh? :p ;)

Some thoughts on the subject of the phantom.

His plan to make a deal with the Bear inclined me to think him innocent for most of yester-Day. As he said himself, it was something that was bound to attract suspicion (although he showed himself capable of dealing with that) and might have prompted the Seer to dream of him. A Bear would certainly be looking to do neither of those things, and it seemed to me that a Wolf would be unlikely to act in that way too.

But then, what does he do at the end of the Day? He invites the Seer to dream about him. Such a statement, it seems to me, actually makes it less likely that the Seer will dream of him. The Seer is unlikely to welcome being told what to do (that’s certainly the way I would feel). What’s more, the whole tenor of what the phantom is saying here is directed towards reassuring everyone (including the Seer) of his innocence. He even makes so bold as to point out that most people think him innocent (which seems to me to be somewhat over-stating the case). While, on the face of it, he is suggesting that the Seer dreams of him, the underlying message is that it would be a wasted dream, not least because (so he says) he might die over-Night.

He also asks the Ranger to guard him. This seems to me to be rather selfish. There are others who are more deserving of the Ranger’s protection, not least the Seer (and the phantom makes it quite clear that he is not the Seer). If the phantom is merely an ordinary villager, as he claims, why should he be any more deserving of the Ranger’s services than the rest of us? Of course, if he’s a Wolf, it serves his interests to ask the Ranger to protect him because that means that the Ranger will not be protecting someone who is innocent.

Added to that is the phantom’s failure to vote. Although he attempted to explain why he might not be voting, he is surely intelligent enough to have realised that Bergil was most unlikely to be a Wolf and that, by lynching him, we would learn very little. Why did he not, like me, step in and attempt to save Bergil from the noose? And why was he very careful yester-Day not to give anything away as to who he might be suspecting?

In light of all this, the phantom is beginning to look rather suspicious, if you ask me.

[Holbytlass]

Clarification: that I was the first person to say definitely that I was voting for Bergil.

[the phantom]

It seems that Alcarillo is positioned to be the primary lynch candidate today. I'm not surprised. If Alca is a wolf, he probably figured killing tgwbs would make everyone think he was being set up, thus making him appear to be innocent. Also, since tgwbs voted for him, it is possible that the wolves were afraid he was the seer and had spotted Alcarillo and wanted tgwbs dead before he caused any more trouble.

Now, I am only stating theories. I am not accusing Alcarillo. There are plenty of people doing that already, and I am not about to pile on and start a runaway bandwagon vote. Such votes often yield no real information, especially if the target (Alca, in this case) turns out to be innocent, which he may very well be.

But, for the sake of learning something, let us apply the voting order to this situation. If Alca is lynched today and found to be a wolf, it is very unlikely that Kath, Gil, Cailin, Menel, morm, Wayne, or SPM are wolves. Some of them voted for others when he was tied with the lead, and the others voted for him when the voting was undecided. Moves such as those are very risky for wolves this early in the game, when no concrete information is available.

Now, if Alcarillo is innocent, then what? We know that the top vote getter (Bergil) was innocent. If Alca is also innocent, why would a vote for Bergil be suspicious? If no wolves were on the chopping block, wolves could vote for whoever they pleased- or they could even abstain.

If Alca is innocent, then the only way a vote for Bergil looks suspicious is if Kath is a werewolf. It was right after Kath received her second vote (tying her for the lead) that Bergil took the lead.

Then again, I can't blame people for trying to avoid a multiple lynching on the first day (which would have happened if someone wouldn't have broken the three way tie).

Now, about the bear kill. It appears that the bear has either agreed to go after the wolves, or at the least he/she doesn't want to hinder us from catching the wolves. Note that the bear did not go after one of the people who have a lot of experience with this sort of thing (SPM, morm, or I, for example). It appears that the bear wants to keep people around who might be good at catching wolves. The bear does not fear that the village will go after him/her at this time, because we all know it is easier to go after the wolves since there are three of them and they work as a team.

[Holbytlass]

Why didn't you vote, Phantom, Folwren and Samwise?

Nilp has his excuse because of stating he wouldn't be here.

[the phantom]

He invites the Seer to dream about him. Such a statement, it seems to me, actually makes it less likely that the Seer will dream of him.
I am not so sure. If someone told me to dream of them, I would suspect that perhaps they do not want to be dreamed of, and so I would likely dream of them. Surely you would admit that if you were the seer you would've dreamed about me? Am I right, Mr. Saucepan?
The Seer is unlikely to welcome being told what to do (that’s certainly the way I would feel)
Ha ha! Do I seem like the kind of person who would particularly care about hurting someone's feelings?

And if I did offend the seer, surely that made it much more likely that I would be dreamed about, right?
He also asks the Ranger to guard him. This seems to me to be rather selfish.
Yes. :p
If the phantom is merely an ordinary villager, as he claims, why should he be any more deserving of the Ranger’s services than the rest of us?
To be quite honest, I was truly hoping that the wolves would try and kill me last night, and that the Ranger would foil the attempt. I was willing to take a risk to help the village. So sue me.

Really, SP, I was hoping that we could, for once, work together without turning on each other. I think you are, perhaps, too scared of me to do such a thing. It's too bad, because you are not on my suspect list and even if you were I'd be willing to let you hang around longer than my other suspects in case you were innocent so that I could benefit from your (usually) good observations.

[The Saucepan Man]

But it doesn't make sense that the wolves should vote for Bergil...he said nothing, therefore he was no danger to anybody.But that's precisely why he makes such a good candidate for lynching from the Wolves' point of view. He said nothing. He accused no one and defended no one. He was a blank sheet. His death tells us very little. What's more, he was (unfairly, in my view) attracting a lot of suspicion. If one of the Wolves already had a vote or two against him/her, then a vote from him would have been the obvious choice for those trying to save that Wolf.

I think that there is a reasonably good chance that at least one Wolf had a vote or two against his or her name yester-Day and that at least one Wolf voted for Bergil.

I'm not surprised. If Alca is a wolf, he probably figured killing tgwbs would make everyone think he was being set up, thus making him appear to be innocent. It seems to me that a bluff like that would be an unnecessary risk for the Wolves on Night 2. Although, if Alcarillo is a Wolf and another Wolf voted for Bergil to save him, I suppose it might have been a risk worth taking.

Now, about the bear kill. It appears that the bear has either agreed to go after the wolves, or at the least he/she doesn't want to hinder us from catching the wolves.I am not sure that we can really draw too many conclusions from the Bear kill. Kitanna did not do much to suggest that she was the Cobbler or to give the impression that she was a Wolf. It is quite possible that the Bear simply chose her randomly.

[The Saucepan Man]

Why didn't you vote, Phantom, Folwren and Samwise?Er, Holby, Samwise is no longer with us ...

Surely you would admit that if you were the seer you would've dreamed about me? Am I right, Mr. Saucepan?No. I don't like being ordered around. :p

And there were others that I suspected far more than you at that time (as it happens, there still are).

I was willing to take a risk to help the village. So sue me.How nice of you to selflessly put yourself forward for the Ranger's protection. :rolleyes:

Really, SP, I was hoping that we could, for once, work together without turning on each other.Up until I re-read that post of yours, I was more than willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Now I am not so sure. In any event, no one is above suspicion at this stage as far as I am concerned. You are not top of my list, but I will be watching you with a more wary eye now.

I think you are, perhaps, too scared of me to do such a thing.No. I am not scared of you. But I do respect you. If you are innocent, I would like to see you stay around for as long as possible. But, if you are a fiend, then I would rather see you swinging from the gallows sooner rather than later. Which is why my eye is on you.

Edit: And you didn't explain why you chose not to vote yesterday.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

First of all, I would like to announce that I, Nilpaurion Felagund, am of sound mind, and that I would not launch a tirade of suspicion aimed against myself. For it has been coming to my mind that in my previous lives, I have earned enough suspicion to be branded 'suspicious' for life, and anything I do now would still be viewed with suspicion.

Second, I would like to apologise my silcence yesterDAY. A horrible headache came to me while I was pondering the meaning of 'were', and I had to outthink the headache to escape from its grasp.

Now, I find it slightly odd that our good dentist, TheGoblin, has run into suspicion yesterday. He is a rookie, and it was but DAY 1. We have nothing to work on save our characterisation and our gut feelings--or grudges (cf. Mayors' battle).

But then comes Alcarillo's call for the silent to speak up (#53 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=410750#post410750)). Who casts the first name? Glirdan (#54 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=410753#post410753)). First he just brings the name up, saying he still might vote for Wayne, but:

As for me being hasty in voting for Wayne. I take that back. I will not vote for Wayne. I was just in grief and shock after the death of poor Enca and he was the only one who made me suspicous of anybody. (Glirdan in #82 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=410814#post410814))

Then, in his very next post, he slides the dagger into Bergil (#86 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=410822#post410822).)

Now, another name I seen flip-flopping between Wayne and Bergil is Wilwa. Look how she changes her mind.

Wayne, my dear brother, has posted again but still little was said. All I can say is I know how much he wants to play so I'm willing to give him another chance to say his oppinion and defend himself. But if he can not clear himself I fear I will have to vote for him. (Wilwa in #37 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=410715#post410715))

I agree Holby, I suppose Bergil is really the only choice we have. I will wait though before I vote, just in case. (Wilwa in #56 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=410756#post410756))

One of them is a wolf. I'll bet my reading glasses on it.

[the phantom]

Surely you would admit that if you were the seer you would've dreamed about me? Am I right, Mr. Saucepan?
No. I don't like being ordered around. :p
Getting cheeky, eh? Well- go to your room, young man!
I was willing to take a risk to help the village. So sue me.
How nice of you to selflessly put yourself forward for the Ranger's protection.
You missed the point. The "risk" I was taking was making myself a target for the wolves. I knew there was no way for me to guarantee that the ranger would be protecting me, thus it was a bit of a risk.
no one is above suspicion at this stage as far as I am concerned
That sort of goes without saying.
No. I am not scared of you. But I do respect you. If you are innocent, I would like to see you stay around for as long as possible. But, if you are a fiend, then I would rather see you swinging from the gallows sooner rather than later.
Well answered.
I will be watching you with a more wary eye now.
Which is why my eye is on you.
I think it is on me a bit too much, as your eye seems to have missed something.

Read all the posts written by the five people on your primary suspect list. One of them says something that should make you reconsider where you have placed them (too high or too low, I won't say which, and I won't say who either- I'm hoping you will catch it but that the furry fiends won't- if you think you have found what I am talking about then give me a little wink, but don't revise your list because that would be too obvious).
And you didn't explain why you chose not to vote yesterday.
I didn't want to vote for a few reasons.

1) I didn't have any clue who to vote for.

2) I knew it was probable that whoever I voted for would be innocent.

3) I wanted to keep the candidates close together with low voting numbers. The way I saw it, the wolves would be aware that me and others were floating around with unused votes, and so if one of their wolf buddies was remotely close to being in the lead it would encourage them to go ahead and bandwagon on an innocent to avoid me or someone else hopping in and tying up their furry friend for the lead.

4) I didn't want to vote for an innocent because it might lead to me being suspected and then lynched. I have been in and out for most of the summer and thus not able to participate in werewolfing. I do not want to get lynched early in this village. I want to contribute at least a little something before I go.

5) Most Importantly... I did not feel the need to save Bergil. I had no reason to believe that he was innocent above anyone else.

Today I am more likely to vote because I have slight suspicions of both innocence and guilt, and thus I might try to save someone I think innocent or vote for someone I suspect as being guilty. Yesterday I did not have any suspicions.

And also, the thought occured to me- what if I try to save Bergil and then he turned out to be a wolf? It wasn't worth that risk.

Is that answer suitable? I hope so, because it is the truth.

[Shelob]

Well things don't look promising for Alcarillo, not only have we a kill that seems to point to him but he also falls on the "voted for Bergil" list...he's so suspicious it's almost too suspicious...

...which would almost work well for a wolf, since being "too suspicous" would suggest he's being framed...now if only I felt suspicous of him.

As it stands though I just can't see it. Firstly Alcarillo voted first for Bergil. True others would likely jump onto a Bergil bandwagon, but that means Alcarillo would have intentionally been placing himself high on everyone's lists. I find that to be risky behaviour for a wolf anytime, esp. this early in the game. Secondly this means the wolves would have intentionally killed someone guaranteed to bring suspicion pouring down on a wolf. Again, not the smartest of moves for them and very risky this early.


I agree that at least one person who voted for Bergil is probably a werewolf (for them that was probably too good a chance to pass up), I just don't think Alcarillo is the most likely. If I were to judge from the timing Holbytlass or Wilwarin would be the least suspicious as they both un-tied the Bergil count. Wolves (and even the bear) would probably have liked having a tie on the first day, so long as their names weren't on the tied list. Not to discount those two, least suspicous of the most suspicous would be the best place for a wolf if they were going to push an innocent to death.


Well there's to that...beyond that though I felt like I was watching Phantom vs. Saucepan Man tennis, from which I gathered that Saucepan Man is keeping an eye on Phantom and Phantom remains as annoyingly suspicous as before. You two have been so helpful that my head aches in appreciation.

'Til later.

[Glirdan]

I see you are all still suspicous of me, for voting for Bergil yesterday. Let me make my mind clearer to you all. I said I wouldn't vote for those who haven't spoken and I go vote for Bergil. As I said, I didn't have a lot of time to vote because I had no chance after that to come back to the square and I had no evidence against Kitanna (may you rest in peace) to lynch her. And as I also said, if Bergil was the one to get the noose, and he was innocent, I said that I would be terribly sorry for being part of the group that condemned him to that fate. I now wish I could have taken my vote back and gone for someone else. I see now that what I've done has landed me in a pile of mud.

As for my suspicions, Alcarillo is at the head of my list because

1) He was the leader for the lynching of Bergil

2) Today we TGWBS dead and we know how much of a rivlary they had for the position of mayor. I will definetly be keeping an eye on him. I have no other suspicions as of yet.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Alcarillo is on many a suspicious list today. He does look suspicious, but less so than Glirdan and wilwa, in my opinion. He could just be, after all, the perfect target for the wolves to frame.

Yes, I must admit he did flip-flop on his choice of suspects, but he did not put the name of Bergil in the chopping block first. That makes him less suspicious for me.

. . . Unless all the wolves were active, and he thought he could bait one of the villagers to name a quiet person. Then he killed short prince that NIGHT so he can point to a frame-up the next DAY.

The plot sickens . . .

[The Saucepan Man]

You missed the point. The "risk" I was taking was making myself a target for the wolves.If innocent, you were a target anyway. In those circumstances, I simply cannot see how "volunteering" for Ranger protection can be regarded as selfless.

That sort of goes without saying.No. It is always worth reiterating. It is all to easy in this situation to magnify this or that piece of circumstantial evidence and get hung up on one person or a group of people, while those who do little to arouse suspicion are able to fly under the radar. I speak from experience. Just because I identify my main suspects at any given time, it does not mean that I am not constantly assessing the case against every other villager as our discussion develops. And I would counsel every innocent villager to adopt the same course.

One of them says something that should make you reconsider where you have placed them ...Save that Alcarillo has lessened in my supicions from yester-Day, my list was in no particular order. It comprises those who voted for Bergil. I doubt that more than one of them, two tops, is a Wolf.

For the record, I also regard the following as suspicious (as I did yesterday):

Meneltarmacil
Kath
Shelob

Because they all seem to be maintaining a presence in the village square without giving too much away.

And of course, my dear phantom, I also suspect you for the reasons that I have stated.

Is that answer suitable? I hope so, because it is the truth.No, not really. I am always wary of those who do not vote because it leaves no trail. A rather Wolfish trait, to my mind.

[the phantom]

my list was in no particular order
Then never mind my comment about having someone placed too high or too low. However, you are still missing something one of them said. I will say no more on that matter, though.
I am always wary of those who do not vote because it leaves no trail. A rather Wolfish trait, to my mind.
But not a phantomish trait.

When I play the part of the bad guy in the village, I am always sure to leave a clear trail or two- that leads to the wrong place, of course. :p Surely you and a few other experienced villagers know that from previous encounters with me in other villages.
beyond that though I felt like I was watching Phantom vs. Saucepan Man tennis
Ha ha! :D

Sorry 'bout that, Shelob. I'll try to stop fighting with him.

(but he started it!)

[the phantom]

It's been quiet for about three hours now. Please, if you have something to say go ahead and say it. I would like to have a few comments to read when I return.

I'll be back in about eight hours. Don't burn the village down while I am away. :p

[Cailín]

What a night! Both the Hunter & Cobbler dead, but still no clear trail that will lead us to the true werecreatures.

Alcarillo's position does not look good right now. I am not sure what to think - it looks like he has been set up. He would be just too obvious a wolf. If he's innocent, Azaelia must also be innocent - sure, she voted for Bergil, but she had to do something to prevent the doublelynching of two innocents on day 1.

At one point, Kath & Bergil & Alcarillo each had two votes, then Holbytlass came and broke the tie, thus saving Kath (and Alcarillo of course, but he has been saved more than once). The Kath - Holbytlass connection might just be accidentical, since Holbytlass was already planning to vote for Bergil. In hindsight not the best idea, but just as likely the act of a desperate villager as of a werewolf.

Cailin she's all over the board with her suspicions and accusations, is most suspicious of Menel based on "pointedly" by Folwren. Which I found to be nothing substantial than votes Glirdan.

Hmpf :rolleyes: I just speak my mind and actually need to voice all my thoughts as to prevent from me totally confusing myself, as so many in this village already seem to be doing. Anyway, there was so much early suspicion of Menel for no clear reason that I thought there might be a subtle Seer's voice involved. I realize that is not very substantial, but there was not much else to go on.
I still distrust Glirdan, though, even though our Cobbler seemed to have thought him innocent (or just a safe vote). He's now very suspicious of Alcarillo, because of his vote for Bergil, even though he voted for him as well... If TGWBS's death was indeed a set up by the wolves, Glirdan is definitely going along with that. If Alcarillo is lynched today and found innocent, he is one we should be looking at.

[The Saucepan Man]

It's been quiet for about three hours now.It's too quiet. I don't like it.

That tumbleweed will be back soon.

If he's innocent, Azaelia must also be innocent - sure, she voted for Bergil, but she had to do something to prevent the doublelynching of two innocents on day 1.I don't see how that necessarily follows. A Wolf may well want to avoid creating a double-lynching situation in order to avoid doing anything that looks suspicious. And, there were still 6 votes uncast when Azaelia voted. She may well have been waiting to vote near the deadline to try to make sure that no Wolf faced the gallows as a result of those uncast votes.

The Kath - Holbytlass connection might just be accidentical, since Holbytlass was already planning to vote for Bergil. In hindsight not the best idea, but just as likely the act of a desperate villager as of a werewolf.Actually, I think that it's a definate possibility. As far as I can see neither of them has voiced any supicions of the other.

I still distrust Glirdan, though, even though our Cobbler seemed to have thought him innocent (or just a safe vote). He's now very suspicious of Alcarillo, because of his vote for Bergil, even though he voted for him as well... If TGWBS's death was indeed a set up by the wolves, Glirdan is definitely going along with that.If TGWBS's death was an attempt to set up Alcarillo, then it is worth looking at those who have been gunning for Alcarillo to-Day. I would say that this applies to the following:

Gil-Galad
Azaelia
Folwren and
Glirdan.

Interesting how Glirdan's name keeps popping up whenever I try to spot potentially suspicious behaviour. Only problem is he seems the type who is easily swayed towards whatever is the current theory. Which makes him the perfect target for Wolvish manipulation ...

I'm wondering whether we should lynch Alcarillo simply because, whether he is innocent or gulity, his death will tell us more than the death of any other villager. I know it sounds harsh, but the chances are we will end up lynching an innocent to-Day anyway. The problem with that of course is that he may be gifted ...

[Meneltarmacil]

My prime suspect at this point would be Glirdan, due to his serious inconsistency in who he accuses, as if he's not sure who would look more suspicious and make him look more innocent. He may be a werebeast trying to blend in. I still think Kath ought to be watched for the same reasons I stated yesterDay.

[WaynetheGoblin]

If you go back to post 107 saucey said I only put 2 people on my sucpect list.That is because thats all I suspected then. Now I suspect the same as saucey.

[Cailín]

Interesting how Glirdan's name keeps popping up whenever I try to spot potentially suspicious behaviour. Only problem is he seems the type who is easily swayed towards whatever is the current theory. Which makes him the perfect target for Wolvish manipulation ...

I have been considering this myself, too. I found a similar way of behaving in some of my own posts and his constant swaying might be more the whims of a terribly confused newbie as the suspicious behavior of a werecreature.

I'm wondering whether we should lynch Alcarillo simply because, whether he is innocent or gulity, his death will tell us more than the death of any other villager. I know it sounds harsh, but the chances are we will end up lynching an innocent to-Day anyway. The problem with that of course is that he may be gifted ...

It's dangerous, surely, but so far, it seems to be the best thing to do. Except: I fear that this is what the werecreatures want us to do. Especially if they suspect Alcarillo might be gifted (though that seems unlikely).

Tis very quiet here now indeed. I´m still waiting to hear from a lot of people...

[mormegil]

In regard to the Alcarillo plot I think Gil-Galad and Azaelia are both attempting to sway early opinion toward lynching him. Gil-Galad is notoriously quiet and yet at the start of day 2 he has 3 of the first 5 posts and who has the other 2? Azaelia. Both of whom bring up Alcarillo's name and place him at the top of their list. I believe Alcarillo to be most likely innocent.

As far as Glirdan is concerned I think he is just swayed by popular opinion. I think I may be going for Azaelia first but keeping an eye on Gil too. Of course I won't take my eye off anyone!

[the phantom]

If Alcarillo is lynched today and found innocent, he (Glirdan) is one we should be looking at.
I'm not so sure. If Alca turns out to be innocent, then that would mean both of the top two vote getters yesterday were innocent- which would mean that the wolves would not have felt the need to vote for Bergil and pad his lead over Alca because they wouldn't care which of the two bit the dust.
Interesting how Glirdan's name keeps popping up whenever I try to spot potentially suspicious behaviour. Only problem is he seems the type who is easily swayed towards whatever is the current theory. Which makes him the perfect target for Wolvish manipulation ...
I found a similar way of behaving in some of my own posts and his constant swaying might be more the whims of a terribly confused newbie as the suspicious behavior of a werecreature
As far as Glirdan is concerned I think he is just swayed by popular opinion.
I have the same doubts about Glirdan's guilt that are expressed by SPM, Cailin, and morm.
I'm wondering whether we should lynch Alcarillo simply because, whether he is innocent or gulity, his death will tell us more than the death of any other villager. I know it sounds harsh, but the chances are we will end up lynching an innocent to-Day anyway. The problem with that of course is that he may be gifted ...
My thoughts exactly. I figured it would come to this, which is why I didn't feel the need to join in the push against Alca. I assumed his lynching was, perhaps, inevitable given the nature of the voting yesterday. It hardly matters that tgwbs was killed by the wolves- that doesn't sway me towards Alca or away from him. To me, the best reason to lynch Alca would be to obtain information.

Of course, I'd much rather lynch someone I suspect, but my suspicions are so shallow at this point that I don't really have much of a better target to offer.

Shelob voted for me, so naturally I'd like to suspect her (though I know there's probably no true reason to).

Alca voted for a candidate he figured would get jumped on by others. This might be guilty behavior- however he is showing a lot of faith in his fellow villagers to finish the job. Would a wolf be so willing to leave things to chance? I wouldn't have myself.

Wilwa was the second to hop on the Bergil vote. Was she a wolf trying to put an innocent safely in the lead, or an innocent figuring we have to lynch someone, it might as well be Bergil?

Wayne stepped in and voted for Alca, putting him into a tie with Bergil. Was Wayne an innocent thinking I don't want to vote for Bergil- Alca seems like a better idea, or a wolf thinking I think I should tie up the lead between two innocents?

Holby put Bergil into the lead over Kath and Anca. Was she a wolf saving one of her fellow wolf's skin, or was she an innocent that didn't want to see a triple lynching and figured Bergil was as good as anyone?

Azaelia's last minute vote seems a bit odd. Why vote so late for someone who already appears to be on their way to the gallows? Was she an innocent who felt it her duty to vote, and so she, not knowing in the least who to vote for, simply tacked on her vote to the favorite of the day? Or was she a wolf and felt that her fellow wolf (Alca) was too close to the lead for comfort, and wanted to pad Bergil's total?

Any thoughts on the possibilities that I have offered?

[Kath]

Three deaths! But at least one was in our favour. Shame we had to lose the Hunter though.

This Holby-Kath theory seems a little tenuous to me (though of course I would disagree with it) because Holby had been voicing her suspicions of Bergil for quite a lot of the day as I recall.

My suspicions still lie with Menel and mormegil though it is difficult to find reasons to support this. Menel never truly answered any accusations thrown at him, even when my reasoning was explained. I would still like to hear from him. mormegil also, he voted for me pretty much out of the blue, very soon after Menel's vote. I realise that this has been said before but I've only just got back from tending to my poor trampled flowers and I need to catch up a bit.

Of course I also believe that anyone who voted for Bergil bears watching - that being Alcarillo, Wilwa. Holby and Azaelia, though they could just be advocates of the 'lynch the quiet ones' brigade. See, that is exactly what I was trying to avoid yesterday! Lynching someone just because they are quiet regardless of the fact that we had no reason to suspect Bergil since he had said nothing that could be in the slightest bit incriminating. So whoever it was that said I was being 'too fierce' yesterday, there is the reason why.

So, those on my suspect list are:
Menel
mormegil

I don't have any clear thoughts about the Bergil-voters, I don't really feel suspicious of any of them so I won't put them on the list as of yet.

Oh one thing though, it does seem like the bear has, whether on purpose or accidentally, begun to follow the phantom's plan! And yet somehow that doesn't allay my fears that he is simply a very clever were-creature.

[Folwren]

I've been questioned several times why I didn't vote yesterday. My answer is simple and totally unconnected with the game-

At three o'clock our time (four o'clock game time, I think), the entire family (that includes me) piled into the car and went to the river for swimming and dinner...didn't arrive back home until almost seven (therefore almost eight) and I could not cast my vote. I tried to before leaving, but Mom need help preparing dinner. You can question my honestly about all this, but why do so? If you ask me who I would have voted for, I'll answer without a blush - Alcarrilo. The nerve he had to ask for people's vote after one of his citizens died is possitively revolting in itself. He seemed heartless and careless that someone died.

Said by the Saucepan Man:
If TGWBS's death was an attempt to set up Alcarillo, then it is worth looking at those who have been gunning for Alcarillo to-Day. I would say that this applies to the following...

Aye, I've been pushing for him as suspectible (in fact, I've as good as said that I won't waver from my belief that he's guilty), but I've no design. TGWBS was killed last night by the wolves...why? I didn't read all of Day 1's talking because I have little time to do so, so I don't know what all he said. But TGWBS is smart and observant, and if the wolves are smart, too, they'll knock down all the intelligent people. I don't see why they would bother to kill TGWBS only to frame Alcarillo. That may have been one reason why it might have been done (if the thought even entered their heads), but I doubt it was the only one. Besides that, if Alcarillo is indeed guilty, TGWBS was one of the people (was he the first?) to vote for Alcarillo to be lynched and Alcarillo felt threatened because of it (he was very near becoming the rope's victim) why shouldn't he convince all his canine friends to help him overthrow a dangerous adversairy?

If Alcarillo ends up to be an innocent I shall be very much surprised and very much confused. I feel dumb to say that I find this all very difficult to follow and suspicions are hard to make...and for me, once they're made, hard to shake. If I had more time, which I don't, I would be doing better. As it is, time is short, and Math is calling.

-- Folwren

[the phantom]

TGWBS was killed last night by the wolves...why?
I think it is good to continue asking that question.

The biggest reason for the wolves to kill is to take out the seer. Yesterday, tgwbs defined Alca as his top suspect quite clearly. It made him look like he could possibly be the seer. And if he was the seer, his message was clear- Alca was bad.

Now, if Alca is indeed a wolf then it is quite easy to understand why tgwbs was killed- the wolves suspected him as the seer.

But... if Alca isn't a wolf- why was tgwbs killed? Was it a random choice? I doubt that the wolves were entirely random in their selection.

We shall see who they kill tonight. I have an idea of who I would kill if I was a wolf- I will see if the wolves do what I would do. If they don't, and instead kill someone entirely random (someone who has barely posted and hasn't said much in the way of suspicions), then we will have to rethink the way we are thinking about this particular group of beasts (and realize that catching the first one might be a bit tough).

If I was a wolf, I would not have killed Alca or tgwbs because the two of them were sure to be attacking each other in the future. Wolves want to keep people around who have their eyes on each other because they are sure to stir up suspicion against each other- and wolves love having suspicious people around. It makes it easier to hide.

So why kill tgwbs?

It either has to be that they thought he was the seer (which means that Alca is almost certainly guilty), or they wanted to set Alca up (which means that Alca is probably innocent, unless it was a double bluff), or that they wanted to kill randomly to avoid leaving a trail.

Any thoughts?
And yet somehow that doesn't allay my fears that he (phantom) is simply a very clever were-creature.
Clever? Yeah. Were-creature? Nope.

If I were a clever were-creature, at this point in the game my plans and manipulations would still be far too subtle and clever to spot- and you know it, m'dear. ;)

[Folwren]

Observed by the Phantom:
It either has to be that they thought he was the seer (which means that Alca is almost certainly guilty), or they wanted to set Alca up (which means that Alca is probably innocent, unless it was a double bluff), or that they wanted to kill randomly to avoid leaving a trail.

Could you please explain to me why killing TGWBS would set up Alca?

[Cailín]

Shelob voted for me, so naturally I'd like to suspect her (though I know there's probably no true reason to).

Alca voted for a candidate he figured would get jumped on by others. This might be guilty behavior- however he is showing a lot of faith in his fellow villagers to finish the job. Would a wolf be so willing to leave things to chance? I wouldn't have myself.

While it's true it's not very wolfish to start leading an attack on an innocent, at the time that Alcarillo voted, it seemed like everyone was half-convinced to vote for Bergil. Maybe Alcarillo was a werewolf just giving that last little push to make Bergil the suspect of the day. Or maybe not.

Wilwa was the second to hop on the Bergil vote. Was she a wolf trying to put an innocent safely in the lead, or an innocent figuring we have to lynch someone, it might as well be Bergil?

It seems to me a little too obvious when two wolves start off by voting for an innocent.

Wayne stepped in and voted for Alca, putting him into a tie with Bergil. Was Wayne an innocent thinking I don't want to vote for Bergil- Alca seems like a better idea, or a wolf thinking I think I should tie up the lead between two innocents?

That seems far-fetched. Wayne was only fifth to vote, far too early to be thinking about strategy or try to enforce a double lynching. I think Wayne might have sympathized with Bergil, since they were both in danger of being lynched solely because of their silence.

Holby put Bergil into the lead over Kath and Anca. Was she a wolf saving one of her fellow wolf's skin, or was she an innocent that didn't want to see a triple lynching and figured Bergil was as good as anyone?

I really wouldn't know. Of course, Holby suspects me and since I know I'm innocent, that makes me slightly less inclined to believe her. ;)

Azaelia's last minute vote seems a bit odd. Why vote so late for someone who already appears to be on their way to the gallows? Was she an innocent who felt it her duty to vote, and so she, not knowing in the least who to vote for, simply tacked on her vote to the favorite of the day? Or was she a wolf and felt that her fellow wolf (Alca) was too close to the lead for comfort, and wanted to pad Bergil's total?

At the time Azaelia voted, there was only one minute left till the end of Day 1. It seems very unlikely she felt uneasy because at that moment, Alca was not in danger of being lynched at all anymore. But she said she panicked, so she might just have wanted to be sure.

A lot of these questions would be answered by finding out one thing: is Alcarillo an innocent?

As for Kath - it's hard to believe she and Holby are in league together. Kath was fiercely against lynching Bergil, while Holby started the 'let's kill Bergil' campaign. But they might just be really sneaky.

[Cailín]

Cross posted with the phantom and Folwren ;)

As to why the wolves decided to kill TGWBS: might have been just because he's a clever player and no one suspected him so far. Neither did he voice a lot of real suspicions (except for Alca), so it was a pretty safe kill, I guess.

[the phantom]

Could you please explain to me why killing TGWBS would set up Alca?
Simply because their names are linked (as political opponents). The death of one automatically makes everyone think of the opponent. It's a natural reaction.
It seems to me a little too obvious when two wolves start off by voting for an innocent.
That is most likely true. I wasn't trying to suggest that.
Wayne was only fifth to vote, far too early to be thinking about strategy or try to enforce a double lynching.
Too early to enforce a double lynching- definitely. Too early for strategy- I'm not so sure.

If no wolves had been voted on at that point, I think it would be acceptable for a wolf to elevate another innocent to the front, especially if the other two wolves were still out there holding their votes.
It seems very unlikely she (Azalia) felt uneasy because at that moment, Alca was not in danger of being lynched at all anymore.
That is not true. At that point, Bergil was only ahead by one vote- and five people (besides Azalia) had not voted. Any of the five could have popped in and cast a vote for Alca, which would have tied him for the lead- in other words, killed him.

Alca was in danger to the end.

[mormegil]

Kath I will respond to your queries by saying that Menel and I voted 2 minutes apart which I would call a cross post. I noticed that he voted the same way right after I posted. And you said that my vote for you came out of the blue. My vote was in post# 81 but in post# 64 I said

Kath is worrying me a bit. Again something just doesn't sit right and another gut feeling

I just haven't been able to feel good about you yet. I'm not 100% sure as to why but there seems to be some inconsistency. I explained my vote for you in #81 saying that you voted for the other person I suspected most (Menel) and therefore I thought you to be the more likely person, hoping that I would jump on your bandwagon.

Now I could be wrong but I think there is more than meets the eye with Kath.

I would posit that Kath and Azaelia are wolves. They are avoiding the mention of each other and both are suspcious yet disconnected.

It seems as though the current thought is "kill Alcarillo, innocent or guilty, and let's find out for sure" I can see that some information could be gleened from this, but I for one loathe killing people I find innocent (i.e. Bergil). I would much rather kill somebody we find connected to Alcarillo and determine from their. Such as Azaelia.

[The Saucepan Man]

I have the same doubts about Glirdan's guilt that are expressed by SPM, Cailin, and morm.I am prepared to give Glirdan the benefit of the doubt for another Day. He seems too easily swayed by the opinion of others. But if he continues to flip-flop, there will come a time when he will reach the top of my suspect list.

Shelob voted for me, so naturally I'd like to suspect her (though I know there's probably no true reason to).The only reason to suspect Shelob at the moment is that she is doing a good job of "flying under the radar" - staying active and voicing suspicions without giving too much away.

Alca voted for a candidate he figured would get jumped on by others. This might be guilty behavior- however he is showing a lot of faith in his fellow villagers to finish the job. Would a wolf be so willing to leave things to chance? I wouldn't have myself.I find Alcarillo's vote yesterday suspicious, but I find it hard to believe that he would, on Night 2, be so bold to kill the villager who voted for him yesterday and against whom he was notoriously antagonistic.

Wilwa was the second to hop on the Bergil vote. Was she a wolf trying to put an innocent safely in the lead, or an innocent figuring we have to lynch someone, it might as well be Bergil?To my mind she is the least suspicious of those who voted for Bergil. If Alcarillo is guilty, it's unlikely that another Wolf would have followed his vote so soon after he had cast it. If he is innocent, then a Wolf might just as likely voted for him or (more likely) added another innocent to the mix.

Wayne stepped in and voted for Alca, putting him into a tie with Bergil. Was Wayne an innocent thinking I don't want to vote for Bergil- Alca seems like a better idea, or a wolf thinking I think I should tie up the lead between two innocents?Alcarillo was one of the leading accusers of Wayne early in the Day. I tend to think Wayne was just voting in response to that. Of course, if Alcarillo is guilty, Wayne is likely to be innocent of Wolvery.

Holby put Bergil into the lead over Kath and Anca. Was she a wolf saving one of her fellow wolf's skin, or was she an innocent that didn't want to see a triple lynching and figured Bergil was as good as anyone?If either Alcarillo or Kath is guilty then Holby will have some serious questions to answer. With (as far as she knew) 10 votes still to go, I don't see that saving a double-lynching comes into it. But, for now, I am prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Azaelia's last minute vote seems a bit odd. Why vote so late for someone who already appears to be on their way to the gallows? Was she an innocent who felt it her duty to vote, and so she, not knowing in the least who to vote for, simply tacked on her vote to the favorite of the day? Or was she a wolf and felt that her fellow wolf (Alca) was too close to the lead for comfort, and wanted to pad Bergil's total?As I said earlier, Azaelia's last minute vote is very strange. She said that she thought the Wolves had been active during the Day and yet voted for someone who had not spoken all Day, thus sealing his fate. As the phantom has noted, with 5 votes left to cast it remained possible that other villagers would show up at the end of the Day to vote for Alcarillo (or even Kath or Glirdan, both of whom had 2 votes) so she could well have been voting to save a fellow Wolf.

And even if Alcarillo is innocent, she still remains suspicious, given that she and Gil-Galad both led the accusations against Alcarillo at the start of to-Day - which might be considered Wolfish if TGWBS's death was an attempt to set him up.

I am very wary of Azaelia.

My suspicions still lie with Menel and mormegil though it is difficult to find reasons to support this.I have few suspicions of mormegil at this stage. He seems to be genuine in his efforts to address our perilous situation. And the only basis for suspecting Menel is that he is posting frequently but contributing little. Which also applies to you, Kath. I would prefer to see a little solid reasoning behind your accusations.

TGWBS was killed last night by the wolves...why?There are a number of reasons. He could have been killed because he was close to the truth (which would point to Alcarillo's guilt). As the phantom said, the Wolves may have thought him the Seer. Or he could have been killed to set up Alcarillo, who was the leading vote-getter yester-Day behing Bergil. Or it may simply have been because TGWBS said very little yester-Day and therefore did not leave much of a trail.

Could you please explain to me why killing TGWBS would set up Alca?Because the only trail that TGWBS did leave points towards Alcarillo. You yourself have accused Alcarillo on the basis of TGWBS‘s death. If Alcarillo is innocent, the Wolves would have known that TGWBS‘s death would lead to such accusations against him and make him (rather than a Wolf) a likely candidate for lynching to-Day.

As an aside, it is interesting that Alcarillo was not TGWBS's Hunter target. Something obviously made him change his mind, although he unfortunately chose the wrong alternative target.

It seems as though the current thought is "kill Alcarillo, innocent or guilty, and let's find out for sure" I can see that some information could be gleened from this, but I for one loathe killing people I find innocent (i.e. Bergil).I share your unease, particularly as, on balance, I tend to think Alcarillo innocent (of Wolvery at least). But, unless we are able identify a beast with some degree of certainty, I fear that lynching Alcarillo might be the best plan we have. He is at the centre of most theories being put forward. If he is guilty, the votes cast yester-Day become very illuminating as it is likely that at least one of his fellow Wolves was trying to save him. On the other hand, if he is innocent, then those who have been strongly accusing him to-Day will fall under suspicion on the basis that TGWBS's death was probably a set-up. And there is always a possibility that he's the Bear, although it's a long shot.

If I had to name the villager most likely to be a Wolf in my opinion, it would be Azaelia. But I am by no means certain and I am not sure how much we would learn from her death if she turns out to be innocent.

[mormegil]

I have two things I would like to address now.

I recently thought of a frightening possibility--that is both SpM and the phantom are wolves and working together. It would seem at first glance that they are not but upon reading closer they are becoming more agreeable after initially having some hostility. Distance yourself dramatically at the start and slowly merge into the same, seems a good strategy for two very intelligent people who are well known to disagree. I don't think I am correct in this but I wanted to raise the idea because if it were true the ramifications would be frightening. They are both very clever and can easily sway most people. So the two combined would be incredible. See how they weave this web and we all follow. Again it's unlikely that this is the case but I wanted to mention it. If they are innocent their teamwork is much to our advantage.

Secondly where is durelin? I noticed I had her vote incorrect. I thought she voted Bergil but according to SpM it was SpM. Why did she delete that vote? And where is she today?

[The Saucepan Man]

I recently thought of a frightening possibility--that is both SpM and the phantom are wolves and working together.I am not a Wolf. I cannot speak for the phantom. But I will work with him for as long as he is putting forward sensible analysis which seems to me to be serving the village's best interests. That said, I am still keeping a cautious eye on him.

I thought she voted Bergil but according to SpM it was SpM.Durelin always votes for me. It's traditional. :D

I suspect that she deleted her vote because it came after the Day had ended. I see little of consequence in her having done so. Her silence so far to-Day, however, is slightly more worrying.

[Folwren]

Brought to the surface by mormegil:
I recently thought of a frightening possibility--that is both SpM and the phantom are wolves and working together. It would seem at first glance that they are not but upon reading closer they are becoming more agreeable after initially having some hostility. Distance yourself dramatically at the start and slowly merge into the same, seems a good strategy for two very intelligent people who are well known to disagree. I don't think I am correct in this but I wanted to raise the idea because if it were true the ramifications would be frightening. They are both very clever and can easily sway most people. So the two combined would be incredible. See how they weave this web and we all follow. Again it's unlikely that this is the case but I wanted to mention it. If they are innocent their teamwork is much to our advantage.

Looky here, man, if it turns out that they are not in league with one another, and they are both innocent villagers, or, better yet, one or both of them is gifted, you've just possibly given ground for people to suspect you.

They are indeed both very smart, and possibly very dangerous for the side that they oppose...but I have not found anything in either of their posts to be doubtful of. It is possible that one is a wolf or bear, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that both are.

- Folwren

[Folwren]

Cross posted with SpM...

I suspect that she deleted her vote because it came after the Day had ended. I see little of consequence in her having done so. Her silence so far to-Day, however, is slightly more worrying.

She's been absent a lot from the entire BDs lately. It may have nothing to do with her character here.

[Cailín]

They could both very likely be the bear. Just as any of us. I have no evidence of yet to find them wolfish. But mormegil is right - we shouldn't let our guards down. Both are intelligent players and aside from the Shiriffs and the Seer, nobody knows who's innocent besides themselves.

[mormegil]

Looky here, man, if it turns out that they are not in league with one another, and they are both innocent villagers, or, better yet, one or both of them is gifted, you've just possibly given ground for people to suspect you.

They are indeed both very smart, and possibly very dangerous for the side that they oppose...but I have not found anything in either of their posts to be doubtful of. It is possible that one is a wolf or bear, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that both are.

- Folwren


That was a rather vehement defense for somebody other than yourself. This is for everyone, I said it's only a possibility but scary enough that I wanted to post it. If suspicion comes my way so be it. I will continue my efforts, weak though they be, at helping our village out. That's right our village. Though I am new here I have grown to love Swankytown and consider it my own.

[Holbytlass]

Nothing profound here, so don't hold your breath (maybe your nose, though)...

When I voted Bergil, since that's who I said I would, I didn't tally up votes or see who voted who as long as it wasn't my name. So seeing my vote as some sort of tie-breaker is coincidence.

A SaucePan Man and Phantom league, now that is frightening, but I still, at this point, have no suspicions against either. I fully admit I have been doo-ped before.

So for me, in this vast quagmire of theories and scenarious, will be sticking with my suspicions of Wilwarin and most likely voting for her.

[the phantom]

I recently thought of a frightening possibility--that is both SpM and the phantom are wolves and working together.
Ha ha! Yes, that would be frightening, and I'd be delighted if we were teamed together sometime in the future.

But in this game, I assure you we are not.
Distance yourself dramatically at the start and slowly merge into the same, seems a good strategy for two very intelligent people who are well known to disagree.
Yes, that might be a good strategy, however I have not followed that strategy. I don't believe I have ever been overly hostile to SP yesterday or today, and so I have not distanced myself "dramatically" as you put it.
See how they weave this web and we all follow.
I don't really think people are following us. I am merely providing as much analysis as I possibly can and I am also trying to feel other people out and determine who I might want to follow, or at least give a long listen to.
Again it's unlikely that this is the case but I wanted to mention it.
Yes, it is unlikely, but I don't mind you mentioning it. You wouldn't be fulfilling your duty as a villager if you thought of it but didn't say anything.
I cannot speak for the phantom. But I will work with him for as long as he is putting forward sensible analysis which seems to me to be serving the village's best interests.
How sensible of you. ;)
That said, I am still keeping a cautious eye on him.
Heh. I imagine everyone is, in the back of their minds.

It's my fault for having a suspicious screen name like "the phantom". :D
They could both very likely be the bear.
What? We are both the bear? If so, then I believe the mod made a mistake and assigned one too many "bear" roles. :p

Just kidding, I know what you meant. And to that, I will only answer that I thought the idea of me being the bear was pretty well taken care of yesterday.
aside from the Shiriffs and the Seer, nobody knows who's innocent besides themselves
It's true that nobody besides the gifted can know someone else is innocent, but it is entirely possible to be mostly sure of someone's innocence. For instance, if two villagers stepped forward and said "We are the Shirriffs", and no one challenged them, we could then be relatively confident that the two were innocent despite the fact we aren't gifted.

However, if you think you have spotted an innocent, particularly a gifted innocent, you might not want to point them out, since the wolves will then know who to try and kill.

The fact is, as "clever" as Saucy and I are, the most we can do is analyse, which is not nearly as dangerous to the wolves as what a gifted can do to them, thus the wolves will always be looking for hints about who is gifted and making their best guess at killing them.

Everyone keep that in mind as you post.

[Kath]

Time to answer some questions it seems.

Ok morm your cross posting theory I will buy but I still don't entirely get the vote. Since you knew that I did not trust you why would you assume that I would want you to 'jump on your bandwagon' as you say? If anything I would want you away from the votes so that if you were later lynched and revealed to be a wolf I would be in no way linked to you. I don't want to be linked to you. In answer to your other point I have mentioned Azaelia once, in my last post in fact. But I haven't really talked about her because I don't find her suspicious. Ok, yes, she voted for Bergil but so did a lot of people. She voted late but some people didn't vote at all. Durelin voted after the deadline and then retracted it but there is little suspicion surrounding her.

Now just a moment Saucepan Man I have a bone to pick with you. You say this:
I have few suspicions of mormegil at this stage. He seems to be genuine in his efforts to address our perilous situation. And the only basis for suspecting Menel is that he is posting frequently but contributing little. Which also applies to you, Kath. I would prefer to see a little solid reasoning behind your accusations.
Which implies that you are suspicious of me due to this lack of solid reasoning. In that case may I please draw your eye to this post by mormegil, who used it in his reasoning for voting for me. By your logic then you would also have to be suspicious of him as this was all the reason he has given.

Kath is worrying me a bit. Again something just doesn't sit right and another gut feeling

As to making posts that are full of substance that is difficult to do when people like the phantom, morm and SpM are around because they tend to say everything there is to say in one long post. If I were then to follow on with an analysis of my own it would be very similar to everything posted before except for different suspicions, which can be shown in a simple list. I give explanations where I can but I'm afraid that it is often gut feeling, or some undertone that I have seen in a post that makes me suspicious of a person. I can no more explain that in words by quoting those of my suspects than I can magically mend those flowers of mine! But I shall try at least to find some evidence for you.

My suspicion of Menel remains and I think that's fair at the moment seeing as he still hasn't replied in any way to the accusations made against him. Here is his only post today:
My prime suspect at this point would be Glirdan, due to his serious inconsistency in who he accuses, as if he's not sure who would look more suspicious and make him look more innocent. He may be a werebeast trying to blend in. I still think Kath ought to be watched for the same reasons I stated yesterDay.
Glirdan suspicious, Kath bears watching. And those reasons were:
Kath accused me shortly after Morm and SpM made their lighthearted accusations and Shelob seems to have joined in on it as well. I think at least one of these people may be a bandwagoning werebeast. And as stated above, Kath wants people to vote for the phantom as the Cobbler when he is taking a position completely contrary to what the Cobbler should be doing. Granted, it may be a double-bluff and he is clever enough to pull one off so the possibility is not out of my mind.
Yes I accused him but I have explained the reasons behind this before. No I did not want people to vote for the phantom because I thought he was, I quite categorically stated that I did not believe him to be. As I had been trying to explain all DAY I was simply trying to stop people from voting for those who were silent as it was unfair and not always a safe move. That, I think, was proved by Bergil's death.

And since we're talking about Menel, there was a pretty dramatic U-turn going on in his posts which I find quite suspicious. He goes from this where he lists his suspicions:
SamwiseGamgee, because of his attack on the phantom.

Bergil and Gil-Galad, due to their silence. WaynetheGoblin is a similar case, but he can be excused somewhat as stated earlier.

And the phantom himself does stand a slight chance of being the Bear, though I think it more likely that he is an innocent villager.
To his final post when he votes for me. I hadn't been on his list until then!

So Saucepan Man, that have content enough for you or must I dissect morm's every post in the hope of finding something concrete which, since he is a clever little bunny, I think will be unlikely to happen?

[wilwarin538]

I see my vote has cast some suspicion on me. I will explain my vote. Bergil hadn't said a thing yesterday, as you all know, and he didn't post a warning of his absence. Though now we know it was because he was confused of the times.

This might sound mean but its true. We had to lynch someone. Bergil hadn't said anything so at the time I didn't really feel guilty about voting for him. Besides there was suspicion around other people, and I was only the second one to vote for him, the remaining votes could have easily been given to someone else.

Now that I see he was innocent and I see his reason for why he didn't post, I truely feel terrible. I will definetly have a better reason for my voting from now on.

Now my suspicions; Zali's vote was very last minute and very strange. I don't think Alcarillo is a wolf because I do not believe that the wolves would kill someone who was only suspicious of one person, especially if that one person was a lycan. I think Glirdan is just trying to be on everyone's good side, now that could make him an innocent wanting to last a while in his first game or a wolf trying to evade suspicion.

So for now I am suspicious of Azealia and I'm 50/50 for Glirdan.

[Meneltarmacil]

Kath, I apologize if I misinterpreted your post. I was not trying to twist your words around or anything. What accusations are you talking about that I haven't addressed yet? I already explained that they were just occupation-related. The only other ones, besides yours, were mainly people agreeing with the lighthearted accusations without really saying why.

As for who I suspect:
Folwren appears somewhat suspicious to me at this point, and my suspicions are growing by the minute. He (She? I'm not sure) quickly jumps on the idea that I am the Bear, yet the idea that I was guilty was only made lightheartedly and I do not recall him giving much of a reason for his suspicion. Later, I notice him claiming that Alcarillo is a wolf (but only after the idea was proposed earlier), though it would take a very bold wolf to cast suspicion on oneself like this. He then jumps at yet another idea, this being the SpM/Phantom-as-wolves suggestion by mormegil. He seems to avoid proposing ideas of his own and instead just nods his head in agreement with others. I think he may be a werebeast trying to stay out of trouble by agreeing with everybody.

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh, and I've been at school all day, so I really couldn't respond until just a little while ago.

[the phantom]

About your suspicions, Kath, I haven't really been thinking about Menel, so I don't know how much there is to your claim. However, I will say that there are individuals that I suspect more than him at this time and thus I will not vote for Menel today.

Concerning morm, you could very well be right but I'm inclined to disagree. morm has been in a village with me before, and so he knows that I sometimes have a tendancy to snap back at people who point a finger at me- and that I'm pretty good at convincing the rest of the village to go along with me.

I doubt he would have been willing to point a finger at Sauce and I the way he did if he was a wolf or bear. No, no- he would've done all he could to avoid becoming my opponent and would follow my lead so long as I was on the wrong trail (which everyone is on early in the game).

Now, you can call this evidence flimsy if you wish, but I believe it is true.

As far as who to lynch today, there aren't many people I am willing to vote for. Alca seems like the logical choice. Even though the odds say he isn't guilty, his death might perhaps be informative.

I suppose I might be willing to support a lynching of Azaelia since others have made good points about her.

There are others that I might be able to make a weak case for (Folwren, Holby and Kath, for instance), but I am not willing to vote for them on such slim suspicions. For one thing, their deaths just wouldn't be as informative as others.

I have to leave for work very very shortly, so if you have any last minute thing to say, get it in before I cast my vote (in about ten minutes).

[The Saucepan Man]

So for me, in this vast quagmire of theories and scenarious, will be sticking with my suspicions of Wilwarin and most likely voting for her.Could you explain a bit more exactly why you suspect wilwa, Holby? The only reasons you have given, as far as I can see, are that she seems to be "aligning" with you (whatever that means) and her vote for Bergil (which, as I said, I find the least suspicious of the Bergil votes). That does seem to me to be rather scant evidence on which to base a vote.

But I haven't really talked about her (Azaelia) because I don't find her suspicious.Any particular reason? Her last minute "panic" vote yester-Day looks very suspicious to me.

Which implies that you are suspicious of me due to this lack of solid reasoning. In that case may I please draw your eye to this post by mormegil, who used it in his reasoning for voting for me. By your logic then you would also have to be suspicious of him as this was all the reason he has given.Hehe. I thought that you might spot that. How very observant of you. The fact is that my impression of mormegil to date is of someone trying to help out the village. Yes, he puts forward his gut instincts. But he also puts forward analysis and ideas, which is what I like to see. You, on the other hand, seemed merely to be posting your suspicions without giving us any real idea of the reasoning behind your conclusions. In short, you fitted my conception of "Wolf-like" behaviour - posting often enough not to attract suspicion as a "quiet one", but not really giving us much to work with. Meneltarmacil and Shelob also fit that pattern in my view.

As to making posts that are full of substance that is difficult to do when people like the phantom, morm and SpM are around because they tend to say everything there is to say in one long post.But there is nothing to stop you saying whether you agree or disagree with what we (or any of the villagers) are saying and, if so, why.

Having said that, I am grateful to you for your further explanation of why you find Menel suspicious. That sort of thing is much more helpful.

He (Folwren) then jumps at yet another idea, this being the SpM/Phantom-as-wolves suggestion by mormegil.Actually, I rather got the impression that he was challenging morm's suggestion.

A further thought on the idea of lynching Alcarillo for the information it will tell us. One drawback, if most villagers vote for him, is that to-Day's vote would then tell us very little, particularly if he turns out to be innocent. I have no objection to Alcarillo being lynched because, either way, I think that it will tell us a lot. But I certainly would not want to see all the votes go his way. Much better to spread the votes around in an effort to force the Wolves into doing something which might give them away.

[the phantom]

I have to go, now. Here is my vote-
+ + Alcarillo

I hope there are no hard feelings, Alca, but you must understand there isn't a better option that I can see. If you are innocent, then you can rest assured that I will try my best to make your death useful to the village if you end up being lynched today.

Now, if we are wrong today and then wrong again tomorrow, we will be in big trouble. Since there is a double killing each night, that would mean that, on DAY 4, the ratio would be 10 villagers, 3 wolves, 1 bear. Only having fourteen people with three of them being wolves is very bad.

If neither we nor the bear manages to kill a wolf by DAY 4, then the wolves will be very well off.

However, if we can just find one wolf, the other wolves might begin to fall into place.

Seer, use your dream wisely. You may not have many chances left. The wolves are sure to be trying to kill you.

[Glirdan]

I tell you now that I will not be moving from my suspicions of Alca. Ever since the death of TGWBS, he(?) became the top person on my suspicion list. Out of all the villagers, who has the most motive to want TGWBS dead? None other than Alca because of the fact that TGWBS wanted to replace him as mayor. Alca so far is most suspicious.

None of the others seem remotely suspicous, unless it's Durelin due to his scilence today.

I will wait a little longer before I cast my vote.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Menel
He (Folwren) then jumps at yet another idea, this being the SpM/Phantom-as-wolves suggestion by mormegil.

Originically posted by SpM:
Actually, I rather got the impression that he was challenging morm's suggestion.

Exactly so. I found Morm's suggestion surprising, but not altogether impossible (though very nearly so).

I don't believe that I've flip flopped once, Menel. My first accusation was against you, to be sure, but that was after some observations just as cold as Alcarillo's.

Originally posted by Menel:
Later, I notice him claiming that Alcarillo is a wolf (but only after the idea was proposed earlier), though it would take a very bold wolf to cast suspicion on oneself like this.

It was not 'Later', as you put it, it was in the same post. I felt a strange dislike for his politicianing skills from his first post on. I made only one post yesterDAY and that was where I voiced the two people I suspected. Today, I've held through with my reasoning set on one person, up till now, and I can tell you, I'm not one to suddenly decide something because someone throws it out there.

By Menel:
He seems to avoid proposing ideas of his own and instead just nods his head in agreement with others. I think he may be a werebeast trying to stay out of trouble by agreeing with everybody.

I beg to differ. I have put up plenty of opposition to different things. I can't say I agree that to kill TGWBS was an attempt to frame Alcarillo, though many others have mentioned this. (And you'll laugh at me when it's made clear that Alcarillo is one of my main suspects because of his death.) I don't understand why wolves should vote for Bergil when he was an innocent, silent citizen. They might have pounced on anyone else. If they wanted Alcarillo done in by the villagers, why not take advantage of so many votes and have him lynched yesterday instead of framing him with TGWBS's death? It might have gone the other way, you know. Many people have accused Glirdan of possible werewolvishness, have I ever mentioned him?

And you may ask why I answer your accusation with such fierceness, and I'll answer with - I don't want to be killed. Anyone can see that your accusation is totally in earnest, and it could make sense, if those points against me were true.

What's more, many of our village numbers have been already killed (a considerable amount, anyway), and it would be a shame and pity to waste your research on me, because I am absolutely and entirely innocent. You'll find no interior motives in any of my words or posts...I merely wish to clean this village of werecreatures.

-------------------------------

I realize that I am putting up considerable risk if I decide to vote for Alcarillo this evening. What if he is, after all, innocent? Then whoever has voted for him will be suspected. Perhaps I should wait...I can afford that. I have, however, unearthed another villlager to be wary of - Kath.

Originally posted by Kath:
Ok morm your cross posting theory I will buy but I still don't entirely get the vote. Since you knew that I did not trust you why would you assume that I would want you to 'jump on your bandwagon' as you say? If anything I would want you away from the votes so that if you were later lynched and revealed to be a wolf I would be in no way linked to you. I don't want to be linked to you. In answer to your other point I have mentioned Azaelia once, in my last post in fact. But I haven't really talked about her because I don't find her suspicious. Ok, yes, she voted for Bergil but so did a lot of people. She voted late but some people didn't vote at all.

The cross posting theory doesn't make any sense. Why should she buy it with the little evidence that Morm put out? Is she hoping to cast doubt on the two of them (Phantom and SpM)? If those two are both villagers and they are both reasoning against the wolves, won't the wolves want them doubted and hopefully someday dead?

And people's suspicion towards Azaelia were not only for her vote for Bergil......

There are things have to be explained. No, of course you don't want to be linked with Mormegil. No one wants to be linked with anybody who turns out to be a werewolf. But anybody might be a werewolf in this game. Anybody. So, according to your reasoning in this paragraph, if you didn't want to vote with Morm because if he's someday lynched, you had jolly well better not vote with anybody because they may, too, turn out to be a were creature.

-- Folwren

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I get to be like phantom and make a long post to defend myself! :p

As I said earlier, Azaelia's last minute vote is very strange. She said that she thought the Wolves had been active during the Day and yet voted for someone who had not spoken all Day, thus sealing his fate. As the phantom has noted, with 5 votes left to cast it remained possible that other villagers would show up at the end of the Day to vote for Alcarillo (or even Kath or Glirdan, both of whom had 2 votes) so she could well have been voting to save a fellow Wolf.

I knew it would look strange as soon as I made it. I had thought it odd that so few people had voted when it was so far along, and I was waiting to see if anyone else materialized before I cast my vote. I could make neither head nor tail of anyone's actions over the course of the day, and I did, indeed, panic when I realized it was 7:29 and I still hadn't posted. I saw a dangerous tie, and I thought incorrectly that it would be the lesser of two evils to vote for the person who had never posted rather than Alcarillo, who I thought was just flying blind like the rest of us. I did (and do) believe that the wolves are active among us, but as to who they are, I'm clueless, since I am not one of them.

If I had to name the villager most likely to be a Wolf in my opinion, it would be Azaelia. But I am by no means certain and I am not sure how much we would learn from her death if she turns out to be innocent.

You'd learn nothing from my death (which seems rather likely) since I'm innocent. (And by saying this I have just made myself even more suspicious. Being quiet is suspicious, voting is suspicious, defending oneself is suspicious...What can a girl do?)

It seems as though the current thought is "kill Alcarillo, innocent or guilty, and let's find out for sure" I can see that some information could be gleened from this, but I for one loathe killing people I find innocent (i.e. Bergil). I would much rather kill somebody we find connected to Alcarillo and determine from their. Such as Azaelia.

I'm curious. What does my death prove, assuming (truthfully) that I am innocent? And how, exactly, am I connected to Alcarillo ?

Azaelia's last minute vote seems a bit odd.
*Snip*
Was she an innocent who felt it her duty to vote, and so she, not knowing in the least who to vote for, simply tacked on her vote to the favorite of the day?
Bingo. I panicked and did just that.

Edit: Cross-posted with Folwren and Mormegil.

[mormegil]

As for who I suspect:
Folwren appears somewhat suspicious to me at this point, and my suspicions are growing by the minute. He (She? I'm not sure) quickly jumps on the idea that I am the Bear, yet the idea that I was guilty was only made lightheartedly and I do not recall him giving much of a reason for his suspicion. Later, I notice him claiming that Alcarillo is a wolf (but only after the idea was proposed earlier), though it would take a very bold wolf to cast suspicion on oneself like this. He then jumps at yet another idea, this being the SpM/Phantom-as-wolves suggestion by mormegil. He seems to avoid proposing ideas of his own and instead just nods his head in agreement with others. I think he may be a werebeast trying to stay out of trouble by agreeing with everybody.

I actually find Folwren suspcious myself but she definetely did not agree with me

Looky here, man, if it turns out that they are not in league with one another, and they are both innocent villagers, or, better yet, one or both of them is gifted, you've just possibly given ground for people to suspect you.

They are indeed both very smart, and possibly very dangerous for the side that they oppose...but I have not found anything in either of their posts to be doubtful of. It is possible that one is a wolf or bear, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that both are.

After which I quoted her and gave a reply to her post. Either you are not reading carefully or hoping that our opinions are swayed. This could be for bad or good but you caused me to raise my eyebrow when I read this. I think I will keep a closer eye on you my friend.

I will either be voting for Azaelia today because I think she is guilty or Alcarillo be he could be guilty but as spoken his death will shed light upon our situation.

Edit: Cross posted with Folwren

[Kath]

Folwren I thought that morm's cross posting theory made sense because his and Menel's posts were only a couple of minutes apart and with the time it takes to type a post and then submit it a few minutes can pass with ease. That to me is actually a fair piece of evidence. Also, yes I'm casting doubt on mormegil, I don't trust him, but I've never said that I was suspicious of SpM. I argue with him a lot but only to get points across.

If those two are both villagers and they are both reasoning against the wolves, won't the wolves want them doubted and hopefully someday dead?
Fair point but every person in this village should be reasoning against the wolves so whoever you suspect this would hold true.

So, according to your reasoning in this paragraph, if you didn't want to vote with Morm because if he's someday lynched, you had jolly well better not vote with anybody because they may, too, turn out to be a were creature.
Not so. I don't want to be linked with mormegil because I suspect him. I'll happily be linked with various others that I believe to be innocent.

[Cailín]

The day is drawing to an end (at least, in my timezone it is :p ) and still there's no one really sure what to do here. Me probably least of all. Right now, everyone looks very suspicious to me.

I hate the thought that we would again lynch an innocent today and might lose two at night. Even worse should we lynch a gifted. If Alcarillo turns out to be innocent, all votes on Day 1 seem to be sort of meaningless. The wolves had nothing to worry about, so why would they? For all we know, they might have voted for each other - though I don't seriously believe that. If he's guilty, we'd know a lot more, but somehow I doubt that he is.

I still feel inclined to vote for Alca, in want of a better suspect. But I can wait a little longer.

[Cailín]

OK, now I really need to leave so I will have to cast my vote now. I hope I'm not making a huge mistake and that you will all forgive me if I am (though I trust you will not.) ;)

++ALCARILLO

Even though I think you might be innocent, I see no other way to get a better clue. If you're innocent, I apologize. But I really do hope you have a furry problem.

(voting aside: I think mormegil and Kath are in league together. They are so hopelessly accusing each other without result - so far.)

[mormegil]

I must vote now or never.

I will vote

++Azaelia

Because I first want some votes spread out and second because I think she is guilty and I'm not sure about Alcarillo. I have a difficult time voting for somebody I don't believe guilty.

[wilwarin538]

I suppose I should vote now. Since I am not suspicious of Alcarillo I will vote for:

++ Azealia of Willowbottom

EDIT(crossposted with Mormegil)

[Folwren]

By Mormegil:
After which I quoted her and gave a reply to her post. Either you are not reading carefully or hoping that our opinions are swayed. This could be for bad or good but you caused me to raise my eyebrow when I read this. I think I will keep a closer eye on you my friend.

Was that last sentence direction to me or Menel? Couldn't quite make out...

And if it appeared that I leapt to defend you, Morm, it's because I would be very, very sorry to see you lynched, and sorrier still to find that you are a werewolf.

And now, I'm going to have to vote because I won't get a chance any later on. I'm not quite sure of Kath yet, so my vote must go the way I intended it to yesterday.

++Alcarillo

I dread that he may turn out to be innocent. But if he is not, then I will be quite happy that I suspected him from the first and stuck to it.

-- Folwren

[Holbytlass]

Could you explain a bit more exactly why you suspect wilwa, Holby? The only reasons you have given, as far as I can see, are that she seems to be "aligning" with you (whatever that means) and her vote for Bergil (which, as I said, I find the least suspicious of the Bergil votes). That does seem to me to be rather scant evidence on which to base a vote.

It is scant evidence and mostly based on gut-reactions, which is hard to defend. By aligning, I mean the wolf-tactic of getting in close with an innocent. I saw her agreeing with me as tactics and on first impressions I saw her as 'flip-flopping' which is somewhat excusable for a newbie but she's a veteran.

[Shelob]

Pheh, I've tried organizing this for a while now. You're just getting a list with my thoughts on people. Deal with it.

Folwren -- Doesn't seem particularly suspicous to me, her somewhat vehement response to Mormegil's was a little strange but while it's worth noting it's not enough to make her outstandly suspicous.

Shelob -- I know myself to be innocent, in response to Saucepan Man having me on his list of "talkative but not particularly outspoken" I'm trying, but I'm fighting a battle against nature and so don't have high hopes of looking anything except "talkative but not particularly outspoken"

Holbytlass -- I don't really see her as being suspicous. I certainly don't understand the proposed Holby-Kath connection.

Meneltarmacil -- Meneltarmacil's being 'shifty'. I certainly still suspect him but can't really get a feel for why. My best example would be that Meneltarmacil says (of Folwren)
I notice him claiming that Alcarillo is a wolf (but only after the idea was proposed earlier)
When Folwren was the first person on DAY 1 to mention Alcarillo as being suspicous.

WaynetheGoblin -- Having dropped most of my suspicions from yesterday (though the teeth comment still strikes me as strange) I notice that Wayne again posts little and specifically parallels his suspicions to those of a well trusted and outspoken person (Saucepan Man, to be more specific)

wilwarin538 -- Not sure how to feel about Wilwarin, the timing on her vote for Bergil could either be innocent-trying-to-avoid-a-tie or werewolf-trying-to-save-werewolf, it depends on whether Alcarillo's innocent or not. And even in that case her vote was early, when a tie wasn't that big a deal. If Alcarillo's guilty I'll need to look closer at her, but elsewise I think she's probably innocent.

Alcarillo -- Definately in a suspicous looking position. In the least I agree his death would likely tell us the most, however beyond his position I see little to suggest he's a werewolf.

Durelin -- Little to work with. Other than his absence today nothing particularly suspicious.

Saucepan Man -- Nothing I've been able to find suggests he's a wolf, though I doubt anything would be there if he were. As to the Phantom-Saucepan Man suggestion, I'm doubting it. It's concievable, I just don't see it. In any case those two are more helpful to keep around, if they're innocent they're a huge help in finding wolves and if one/both are guilty the longer they're around the more of their masterplan we'll be able to see if we lynch them.

Kath -- Very insistant on a few people. I figure it's too dangerous a strategy for a wolf to be using. Not to discount the possibility, her lack of reasons make her suspicious. And while I know she has since answered questions I've not yet had the time to read them carfully, until I do I feel she's worth keeping an eye on but not an immediate danger.

the phantom -- Irksomely suspicous, as always. He hasn't risen in my suspicions though, so as before with The Saucepan Man I feel that even if he is guilty his death would be more useful later.

Azaelia of Willowbottom -- People have brought up good points about her vote and it's implications, but I believe she simply panicked and went with the majority. I know that's what I'd likely do if I looked down and had a minute to vote with no real suspicions.

Cailín -- I haven't found anything particularly suspicous about Cailín. Nothing beyond the natural suspiciousness of being in our village while there are were-creatures running about.

Nilpaurion Felagund -- Hasn't really spoken enough for me to find any reason to suspect him beyond his lack of speaking.

mormegil -- I don't honestly feel that Mormegil is anything but what he appears. I haven't been able to find something to suspect him as he seems to be really helpful (which is potentially reason enough).

Gil-Galad -- Elusive. He doesn't post much (either in quantity or in information) so it's hard really suspect him.

Glirdan -- Beyond his undecidedness (trying to please everyone) I see little reason to suspect Glirdan. I feel like he's probably in much the place I am, suspected because we're not naturally agressive in taking stands yet too talkative to be ignored.


Sorry if I seem a bit short (curt might be better), I'm having scheduling issues with school which have left me ill tempered. This calmed me somewhat though so expect me back shortly once I've had some time to think more on everything that's been said, esp. theories containing more than one person.

[Holbytlass]

Scat as the evidence is, I have to vote now,

++WILWARIN

[Folwren]

It turns out that I had another hour. My dad didn't call until something like ten minute after I'd cast my vote to say that we wouldn't be leaving until 5:30 instead of 4:30. Anyhow...in my extra time, I've been doing research of the first DAY.

Before I tell you what I've gotten so far, let me call back to mind what Menel has just said today not too terribly long ago...

Originally posted by Menel:
Later, I notice him claiming that Alcarillo is a wolf (but only after the idea was proposed earlier), though it would take a very bold wolf to cast suspicion on oneself like this.

As Shelob kindly pointed out (and I went back to check it) I was the first to point out Alcarillo as questionable. Whilst going back to find out if Shelob's research was correct, I read on and found, some time after my post....

Originally posted by Menel:
Well, perhaps it's best to look at the motives behind this attack. Clearly, someone wanted Enca to die. Why would somebody want that? Alcarillo's comments are interesting, perhaps he didn't want public opinion to be swayed against him and did away with her. Or maybe tgwbs wanted to make it appear that Alcarillo was incapable of protecting the town against the wolves and bear so he would fall out of favor and tgwbs would become mayor in his place.

However, it is hard to tell at this point who is a beast and who is not. My 20-sided die (we have 21, but subtracting my name gives us an even 20), useful for choosing things at random, says Alcarillo is the one we should look at, though like I said, this choice is random.

Now who's the one claiming that Alcarillo is the wolf only after the idea's been proposed, I ask you?

This may be nothing, really, but I find it odd that he should be the one guilty of what he accuses me of.

- Folwren

[The Saucepan Man]

As I said earlier, we want the votes spread around a bit today so that, if we do catch a Wolf, they might tell us something.

Currently, six votes have been cast out of a possible eighteen. A long way to go, even if a few villagers end up not voting. At the moment, the votes stand as follows:

Alcarillo - 3
Azaelia - 2
Wilwa - 1

Let's try to give the Wolves a bit of a work-out.

++MENELTARMACIL

He seems to be trying very hard to say little that might be used to incriminate him. He tends to follow theories put forward by others, but this seems to me to done in a calculated rather than a naive manner. And, as has been pointed out, the accusations that he makes are often cobbled (no pun intended ;) ) together from quotes taken out of context or from a (possibly deliberate) misreading of what people have said.

[Durelin]

OMG ! R s|_|ch a p0z3r....

Durelin -- Little to work with. Other than his absence today nothing particularly suspicious.
Her absence, please. Keep me from having identity issues here. ;)

Durelin always votes for me. It's traditional. :D
Yes, I'm afraid it has become so... I guess I figure no one will agree with me, and thus if Saucie's innocent then I haven't killed him, and if he isn't then I can say at some point that 'I told you so...'

All I can say is, I am innocent, and completely useless. Chances are I will be killed by the wolves or the bear, being the quiet and pointless one.

I'm considering starting a lynch phantom campaign and seeing where that leads me...

Actually, I'll be back with more useless...or useful...inf0rmation soon...

[Kath]

Well looks like it's voting time for me.

++MENELTARMACIL

I chose him over mormegil because he has been at the top of my suspicion list from Day 1 and as it doesn't look like I will get any support if I go after morm, I might as well make my vote count. You all know my reasons so there's my vote.

[Gil-Galad]

i better vote before i forget

++Alcarillo


she did start the group on Bergil... and i was right about Kitanna, who knows i may be right about him/her(don't know)

[Glirdan]

I to have to leave and therefor cast my vote. It shall be...

++Alcarillo

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I've learned my lesson: Vote early. So here is my vote, before 7:29 PM...

++Alcarillo .

It's either I vote for Alcarillo or risk death myself. This being my first game since June, I'd love to live a little while longer, so I am going for the former.

Edit: Cross-posted with Glirdan.

[Shelob]

Not as soon as I expected. Ah well.

I haven't given as much though as I would have liked to all the theories which have cropped up, and given I have A. little time left to the day and B. to leave anyway I'm just going to vote.

Given how I feel about everyone I figure Alcarillo's death would tell us the most, but I really don't think he's guilty. I'd rather vote for someone whom I feel has more evidence against them, even if their death will likely tell us less. With that I'll vote

++Meneltarmacil.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ten minutes, my sugar sweets.

[Alcarillo]

I am back from my duties as mayor!

Well, it looks like I might die soon, so I probably won't even cast a vote. If I am lynched I bequeath my position as Mayor of Swankytown to Alice, one of Nilp's alter egos.

Now to read through the previous posts. . .

[Meneltarmacil]

Okay, I'll admit I didn't look over things carefully enough when I accused Folwren earlier, and I freely admit that I was wrong about him accusing Alcarillo "after the fact." I've really been misinterpreting people's posts and thinking they meant something they didn't. I apologize for doing so, and as I really don't have much to go on, I'll vote for:

++Azaelia of Willowbottom

out of all those that already have votes. I don't really think Alcarillo's a double-bluffing beast, and I'm out of ideas as it is.

[Durelin]

That brings the count against Alcarillo to 6, I believe. 6 whole votes...

I don't like this bandwagoning. If Alcarillo turns out to be innocent, we're going to have to really look who was key in getting people to hop on the 'lynch Alcarillo' bus.

If he's guilty as sin, then I ask forgiveness for not being as *perceptive*...or something.

But I think we are making too many assumptions, which is something that can insure a wolf victory...or even more likely really, a werebear victory.

It seems as though the current thought is "kill Alcarillo, innocent or guilty, and let's find out for sure" I can see that some information could be gleened from this, but I for one loathe killing people I find innocent (i.e. Bergil). I would much rather kill somebody we find connected to Alcarillo and determine from their. Such as Azaelia.I quite agree, for the most part.

It's either I vote for him or risk death myself. This being my first game since June, I'd love to live a little while longer, so I am going for the former.Now, this may be just what it is...a tad careless comment from someone who's not at all used to these situations.

This confuses me, as this comment almost makes me sure of her innocence, in one way. But in another...it makes me a little more suspicious of her. Not enough for a lynching...but it seems like Alcarillo's fate is sealed anyway.

Am I correct to say that the phantom was the first to vote for Alc? If so, tis very interesting... But I'd rather look at who voted just a little later, bringing it to a bandwagon. And that brings me to look at Folwren. Her vote is very interesting. She voted for Alcarillo following two votes for Azaelia, bringing ahead again (or behind, depending on how you look at it).

Therefore...

++Folwren

Not that it will do much good...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Voting is finished. Expect a death post very shortly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It had simply been that kind of day. The villagers of Swankytown had been through it before... yesterday. Accusations flew through the air like uncalled-for and occasionally directionless pidgeons. The resident apothecary drew his customary amount of attention as he and the local mushroom harvester exhibited a fantastic display of tennis skills in the village common. It was met with many cheers and many comments of "what in the world is this accomplishing?" from the masses.

The flower-seller drew some notice for varied and sundry reasons. Perhaps it was her unnaturally good looks... perhaps it was the dead flowers that she had forgotten to remove from her plaited hair.

The zookeeper was closely watched... That may have been due to the way his facial features seemed to reflect his animal charges. His beady eyes brought to mind a rat; his blunt nose a Fordim-Warg, more commonly referred to as "pug". The greenish tinge to his skin may have been from one too many swims in the zoo's frog pond, but there had been a rumor about the village some years back that his family simply had a well-hushed strain of iguana blood. It would certainly explain those mysterious scales...

The tailor and the blacksmith also warrented some curiousity.

The mayor watched this all worriedly. He was running for re-election, of course, and all of his citizens were accumulating votes! He needed not to worry however, for when the votes poured in, the majority went to none other than himself. Alcarillo had won the day's event... in a depressing sort of way.

He steeled himself, mentally composing a speech. "And I will pass my title gracefully to Alice..." No, he thought. What about "And so I pass into history...." No, too presumptuous. The villagers heard his muttering as they hoisted him to their shoulders and carried him down the road. I always wanted to crowd surf... he thought absently. He pulled a small yellow legal pad from his anachronistic pocket and a pen from his jacket. "It has been an honor to..." No, it simply does not work for the occasion. I knew I should have hired a secretary.

The group had began to chant. He listened proudly, admiring his village's quick thinking creativity. "Kill the may-or! Kill the may-or!" they chanted, carrying him none too gently. Alcarillo began to fret. How would he ever go town in history as the greatest mayor Swankytown had ever seen if he could not compose an appropriate farewell speech to his lynch mob voters? I can do this. he thought. I didn't beat out so many other runners in the last Swankytown election extravaganza for nothing!

They had reached the recently fallen gallows. Torches were lit, as the sky had began to darken as Alcarillo's death was finalized. He was deposited with a thunk onto the muddy ground. A pitchfork found it's way into a villager's hands. It was pointed at the mayor. "We have decided to relieve you of your position, Mayor Alcariwolfo!" He began to stand to give his half composed speech and was forced to the ground. "Grovel." commanded the villagers.

"A true leader never negotiates with terrorists." he stated mayorly. This was not, of course, the reaction that the village had expected, so they stabbed him in the foot with the gardening implement. He jumped and swore. "I must tell you, my dear people, that you are making a terrible mistake. I don't suppose you could rethink this? I assure you that I would make a far better mayor next term than Alice..." They ignored this and with the spirit of all those who have ever wanted to unduly punish a politician for attempting to do his job, the villagers jumped Alcarillo. Within moments, his body was lifeless. He had not transformed. He had not sent a quick message to his counterpart, he had not made a last moment plea that his dreams be heard. He did not howl at the moon, or transform to bear in the now appearing moonlight.

Alcarillo had been nothing but an ordinary villager. The people nearly panicked when they realized that they had another night of double death to look forward to.

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Dead:

Bergil (ordinary villager)
TGWBS (Hunter)
Kitanna (Cobbler)
SamwiseGamgee (Ordinary Villager)
Alcarillo (Ordinary Villager)

Alive:

Azaelia of Willowbottom
Cailín
Durelin
Folwren
Gil-Galad
Glirdan
Holbytlass
Kath
Meneltarmacil
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Saucepan Man
Shelob
the phantom
WaynetheGoblin
wilwarin538

NIGHT time players please send your applicable PMs to Encaitare. She resumes Moddess Goddess duties now. DAY time players, quit your tomfoolery.

My apologies for the lateness of the death.

[Encaitare]

The villagers gathered once again in the square, feeling chills going down their spines that came from more than the briskness of the early morning -- for two of their friends were not present.

With jaded expressions, they made their way to Mormegil's home. It was nearly the largest in the village, second only to that of the late mayor, although they probably would not have impressed a city dweller overmuch. Yet the villagers stood in Mormegil's parlor, wondering where to look first.

"Maybe we should split up into groups to make it go faster. He's got to be around here somewhere," someone suggested grimly. But suddenly, there came a shriek from Azaelia.*

"I just felt rain!" she cried.

"We're inside, Zali," a villager said kindly, no doubt thinking that the poor girl's mind was being affected by recent events. "There it is again!" Azaelia insisted. She put a hand to her head anyway, and her fingers came away red and sticky.

In trepidation, the villagers looked up. Only a few feet over their heads was Mormegil, hung from the broken chandelier by a golden chain, much like the ones he had shown them with his anti-wolf charms. And indeed, there was a charm as well: a large heart-shaped one where his real heart ought to be.

"I knew those charms were fakes," someone complained, just as the chain snapped and morm's body came crashing to the floor. Everyone shouted and jumped back. They tried to avoid looking at the body, but a bit of white poking out of his pocket caught their eyes. It turned out that mormegil had letters in his pocket addressed to "my dear friend". Clearly morm had been corresponding with someone -- but who?

With yet another mystery upon them, the villagers trudged to the phantom's home, for he was the other who was absent. They knew they would find only a corpse inside his house, and so they tried to walk in with brave faces. But being only human (for the most part, anyway), they were again greatly shocked.

The phantom was laid on his bed as though he were a sick patient. But his abdomen was torn open and stuffed with herbs and spices so pungent that it made the villagers' senses reel -- though it was doubtless better than the stench of blood and decay that had greeted them in other cases. Upon closer inspection, they saw that the phantom's eyes had been removed and replaced with small poultices labeled "Chinchona bark."

"Too much of that can cause blindness... and death," said the Saucepan Man*, who had done business with the phantom on several occasions and knew of such matters.

"He was our Seer!" the villagers realized, eyes widening in shock. More frightened than ever, they returned to debate in the square. The wolves exchanged sly sidelong glances, and the bear laughed inside. They could scarcely contain themselves, so thrilled were they by their own cleverness.

*Remember that references to anyone aside from the deceased have no deeper meaning -- there are no hints to people's roles, of course!


Living:

Folwren
Shelob
Holbytlass
Meneltarmacil
WaynetheGoblin
wilwarin538
Durelin
Saucepan Man
Kath
Azaelia of Willowbottom
Cailín
Nilpaurion Felagund
Gil-Galad
Glirdan

The Deceased:

Encaitare (Moderator) - Stuck full of quills by Wolves on NIGHT 1
Llama (Mammal) - Mauled into oblivion by Black Beorning on NIGHT 1
Bergil (Ordinary Villager) - Crushed under the gallows on DAY 1
SamwiseGamgee (Ordinary Villager) – Killed by Hunter on NIGHT 2
TGWBS (Hunter) – Impaled by Wolves on NIGHT 2
Kitanna (Cobbler) – Given a TV closeup by Black Beorning on NIGHT 2
Alcarillo (Ordinary Villager) - Dismembered by villagers on DAY 2
Mormegil (Shirriff) - Charmed by Black Beorning on NIGHT 3
The Phantom (Seer) - Rendered blind by Wolves on NIGHT 3

It is now DAY 3. Wolves, stop PMing.

(Sorry this is a few minutes late; it took me longer than expected to write.)

[Folwren]

Horros, horrors, HORRORS! How can we survive? This is insane! Last night I wast haunted in dreams of Alcarillo swinging in his correct form from the gallows. Our Seer gone...Mormegil gone (poor chap, I liked him). Alcarillo, dead and innocent, proved many of us wrong. And now because of his death, many of us may be suspected for his vote.

What are we to do?

- Folwren

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh dear. This is not good. the phantom dead, and he was the Seer. And one of the Shirriffs too...

I'd say we're dealing with some rather intelligent werebeasts here, finding the Seer this early on. But I do think at least one of them probably voted for Alcarillo yesterDay, possibly Folwren or Gil-Galad.

If you'll excuse me, I must go calm down my elephants, who have been worried sick since this killing started.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Either the Wolves were lucky or he said something that made the Wolves uneasy.

I'll be checking on his posts now to see if anything will come up.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I think it's fair to say that this is not a great situation to be in. In fact, I would go do far to say that we are up doodoo creek with little in the way of a paddle.

However, yester-Day's lynching and the last Night's murders (grievous though they are) have cleared up quite a few things in my mind. There are now a good number of villagers who I firmly believe to be innocent. And also one or two of who's guilt I am now pretty certain.

Anyway, here's yester-Day's voting (in the usual format):

The phantom for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 1)
Cailin for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 2)
Mormegil for Azaelia (Alcarillo - 2; Azaelia - 1)
Wilwarin for Azaelia (Alcarillo - 2; Azaelia - 2)
Folwren for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2)
Holbytlass for wilwarin (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1)
SpM for Meneltarmacil (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 1)
Kath for Meneltarmacil (Alcarillo - 3; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Gil-Galad for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 4; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Glirdan for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 5; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Azaelia for Alcarillo (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 2)
Shelob for Meneltarmacil (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 2; wilwa - 1; Menel - 3)
Meneltarmacil for Azaelia (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 3; wilwa - 1; Menel - 3)
Durelin for Folwren (Alcarillo - 6; Azaelia - 3; wilwa - 1; Menel - 3; Folwren - 1)

Did not vote:
Alcarillo
Nilpaurion
WaynetheGoblin

I am not going to say much more now, as I want to see how the Day develops.

However, I think it's pretty clear that it is vital that we kill a Beast to-Day. Otherwise the ratio of innocents to beasts will start to look extremely ominous. So I would urge all innocent Villagers to think very carefully, look over the events of the past three Nights and two Days, share your thoughts and, when it comes to it, use your vote wisely.

And that goes for the Bear too. The phantom was quite correct that it is the Bear's interests to sniff out some Wolves. And if it was true before, it is even more so now.

[Glirdan]

Mormegil!! Oh mormegil!! My good friend. I have only known you for a short time and yet I feel like I've known you forever. And now your gone! Taken from us by this horrible and gruesome fate! Why oh why!?!?

And our seer too!! How could this have happened!? How did the wolves find out the phantom was the seer? He must have had a dream about a wolf and he/she found out somehow. The phantom is far to clever to let out anything as important as that! Unless the wolves chose randomly, yet that seems highly unlikely.

The first victim of the wolves was poor Enca and she had no special role. Then it TGWBS who was the Hunter! And now our seer!? This is not just a coincidence.

And the bear! His first victim was (not counting Shelob's poor llama) Kitanna who happened to be the cobbler! And now he got a shiriff!? Coincidence? once again, I think not.

If this goes on, our village will be utterly destroyed. We need to find the werebeasts, as soon as possible. I have a few suspicons, but no concrete evidence to base them on. I will wait and see. For now, I have to get back to my sho before the cheese goes bad. I'll be bakc later on in the Day.

[The Saucepan Man]

Mormegil!! Oh mormegil!! My good friend. I have only known you for a short time and yet I feel like I've known you forever. And now your gone! Taken from us by this horrible and gruesome fate! Why oh why!?!?

And our seer too!! How could this have happened!? How did the wolves find out the phantom was the seer?Hmm. Methinks he doth grieve too much.

He must have had a dream about a wolf and he/she found out somehow.I doubt it. Had he dreamed of a Wolf, he would have left a clue or two as he knew that he was a target. My guess is that he dreamed of mormegil and me. Read his posts and you'll probably see why. And it makes sense that he would dream of the two of us.

[Holbytlass]

In fact, I would go do far to say that we are up doodoo creek with little in the way of a paddle.
Hey!! You took my line! :p

Hindsight being 20/20 and all, to me The Phantom didn't dream about any were-creatures. Which is why he may have been relunctant to vote first day. It's a common trait for seers to not want to point fingers or vote for unknowns because given enough time they will come to know a persons hidden agenda.
And there was nothing pointing to him being a seer and rather clever of him to act as if he was talking to someone else therefore throwing the werecreatures in another direction, plain and simple, he got it cause he's too smart. Same with Mormegil.

I am very certain of the innocence of one person ;) (other than myself) and not that I'm suspicious of you, SaucePan Man but I'll be nice and look-over the posts that may clear you.

How does the rest of you feel about the other shirrif revealing themselves? Of course, the fianl say would be up to them but it would be nice to have another known innocent.

[Folwren]

This is indeed serious. Very serious. Indeed, you will all search very deeply those who voted for Alcarillo, and I can probably tell you now, that fewer people than I will be most suspected...no one talked about it as much as I did, nor as certainly as I did. No one else was as set on getting him killed. I was obvious about it and maybe that'll help me when I saw, I honestly and absolutely thought he was a werecreature, and I myself and am absolute innocent, neither gifted nor wicked.

Today's talking will determine a lot for the future of this village. I regret to say that I will likely miss a lot of it because I am going to be extremely busy all day. I will, however, be doing my utmost to stay allert and with all the proceedings and I hope that if any defence for myself is necessary past now (which, I'm sure it is, since Menel has already half accused me *ahem*) I will be able to give it.

I apologize to every one for helping hang Alcarillo. I don't know what I can say to make you believe that I did it out of pure and true thoughts that he was a werewolf. I will say this - our village is dying. The innocent are being killed not only by the werecreatures, but also by the good villagers themselves. Even the Hunter chose an innocent. If I am killed, I will be one more good person dead and I will be leaving no trails to help you find who the evil are.

-- Folwren

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

wilwa looks a lot less suspicious now, because her tie-breaking vote on DAY 1 saved two innocents, not Wolves.

Glirdan looks more suspicious to me. What do you mean by this:
Mormegil!! Oh mormegil!! My good friend. I have only known you for a short time and yet I feel like I've known you forever. And now your gone! Taken from us by this horrible and gruesome fate! Why oh why!?!? (Glirdan in #189) Are you trying to hint something? But what? I'm the second Shiriff, so you can't be hinting that!

But hopefully, this statement by tp might save you:
I have the same doubts about Glirdan's guilt that are expressed by SPM, Cailin, and morm the phantom[/b] in # 132) Too equivocal, but it might be backed by a dream. Considering your actions on DAY 1, he might have dreamt of you.

I'm not really sure, though.

About Sauce:
See how [Sauce and phantom] weave this web and we all follow. ([i]morm in #142) With the phantom gone, who will weave the web now? ;)

And look how he presses his innocence by claiming that the phantom dreamed of him:
My guess is that [the phantom] dreamed of mormegil and me. Read his posts and you'll probably see why. And it makes sense that he would dream of the two of us. (Sauce in #190) Why say this?

Searching the phantom's posts, this is all I've got:
It's too bad, because you [Sauce] are not on my suspect list and even if you were I'd be willing to let you hang around longer than my other suspects in case you were innocent so that I could benefit from your (usually) good observations. (the phantom in #115) This is a good hint to you innocence, yes, but it is just that: a hint. Of course, that's all the Seer could give; if he said a little more, that might have been suicidal.

You are not that high on my suspect list, but I think you are not definitely innocent. Just wanted to say that.

Alas that morm had to die.

[Shelob]

Hmm. Methinks he doth grieve too much.

Even though you ahve only been here I short time, it feels like I've known you for ever.

I have only known you for a short time and yet I feel like I've known you forever.
And repeats himself...

I've read quickly through the Phantom's posts, trying to gleen what I could, and I'm willing to bet that he didn't dream of a werewolf. However, like Glirdan, I doubt this was a random kill. My guess would be that either the phantom was hitting to close to home for the werewolves to feel comfortable, or that they were just trying to get rid of someone who was, to them, a nuisance and, to the rest of the village, a help.

Even in the second case though it seems likely that there would have been some reason they chose Phantom over others who fit that description.

One interesting note is that these wolves seem to have a pattern of killing people commonly associated in contrast to another person. Excluding Encaitare of course.
First they Kill TGWBS, whom we all associate with Alcarillo because of their mayoral competition. Then they turn right around and Kill The Phantom whom, I'm sure, we all connect to SPM through there numerous (very numerous) arguments and responses to each other's responses. I'm not sure if it'll be particularly helpful, but it certainly could be.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

First they Kill TGWBS, whom we all associate with Alcarillo because of their mayoral competition. Then they turn right around and Kill The Phantom whom, I'm sure, we all connect to SPM through there numerous (very numerous) arguments and responses to each other's responses. I'm not sure if it'll be particularly helpful, but it certainly could be. (Shelob) Good observation. They could be doing the same thing a second time around--not likely in my opinion, although the very fact that someone might think it's unlikely makes it plausible (ugh!)--or they did the first one to screen a Wolf with this second attack.

Or perhaps you just said that to make us look at Sauce. :p

All this thinking and guessing. I used to join these games just to see myself lynched . . .

[Cailín]

Uh-oh, this does not look good for us. Both one of the Shiriffs and our Seer dead. Other Shiriff, maybe you should reveal yourself? It would be most helpful to have another known innocent today...

First off, I want to apologize for being part of lynching Alcarillo. I already feared he would be innocent and I've been pondering for a long time whether to vote for him or not. I decided to do so in the end, simply because I had no other real suspects and mine would only be a second vote - anything could happen still. I made a mistake, and I'm sorry. I can't really defend myself otherwise.

I doubt the werecreatures were aware the phantom was the Seer. I agree with previous said: he did not have a dream involving something furry. So who did he dream about? Looking through his posts I'm not sure - I don't think he dreamed about Glirdan, even though he appears to be defending him. I think he did dream about morm and might have dreamed about SpM, because he'd consider both as very dangerous, should they be wolves - and he mentions both as loud players in one of his first posts. However, it's all a little too vague to be absolutely sure.

So, who to look at now?

Azaelia definitely doesn't look any less suspicious. Neither does Glirdan, for that matter. But I dare not believe both of them could be wolves, seeing how they behaved so similarly.

If the bear decided to stick to the phantom's plan, it's probably Kath - the only one really suspicious of morm. However, we cannot be sure of that.

It's a bit too early to start accusing today. But I think we all know if we don't manage to find a wolf or a bear now, this village is doomed. :(

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

OK, I have less than even odds of coming back here, so I have to vote now.

++Glirdan

After much thought, I just don't think phantom dreamt of you. And your actions . . . they're just too strange.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

If you read post #193, you'll all see that the second Shiriff has already declared himself.

Oh, I forgot: since I'll die toNIGHT--unless Kath--I mean the Ranger--protects me, I now declare that this game will have no bearing on my lynch rate. So let it be written, so let it be done.

[Cailín]

If you read post #193, you'll all see that the second Shiriff has already declared himself.

Oh, I forgot: since I'll die toNIGHT--unless Kath--I mean the Ranger--protects me, I now declare that this game will have no bearing on my lynch rate. So let it be written, so let it be done.

Oops, sorry. I missed that. :rolleyes: Dang, that's no help, cause I didn't suspect Nilp anyway.

[The Saucepan Man]

And there was nothing pointing to him being a seer and rather clever of him to act as if he was talking to someone else therefore throwing the werecreatures in another direction, plain and simple, he got it cause he's too smart. Same with Mormegil.I tend to agree with this. The Wolves got lucky. And the Bear was probably trying to kill a Wolf and picked the wrong person (which would tend to point towards Kath). If s/he wasn't then s/he should have been, and certainly should now.

I am very certain of the innocence of one person (other than myself)It would be nice if you would share your thoughts on this.

... and not that I'm suspicious of you, SaucePan Man but I'll be nice and look-over the posts that may clear you.OK. I'll give you some help.

As Cailín points out, the phantom specifically identified mormegil and I as experienced and outspoken villagers:

I say this because loud people always give you information to work with. Everyone knows that I am going to say plenty. The Saucepan Man and mormegil are also known for being extremely outspoken. This means that we are going to provide you with evidence to use either for us or against us. You will have an idea of where we stand.

Note that the bear did not go after one of the people who have a lot of experience with this sort of thing (SPM, morm, or I, for example).

The fact is, as "clever" as Saucy and I are, the most we can do is analyse, which is not nearly as dangerous to the wolves as what a gifted can do to them ...It seems logical that he would dream of those that he considered to be dangerous if lyncanthropic.

I would also expect the phantom to give anyone who dared accuse him of beastliness quite a going over. As he said himself:

Concerning morm, you could very well be right but I'm inclined to disagree. morm has been in a village with me before, and so he knows that I sometimes have a tendancy to snap back at people who point a finger at me- and that I'm pretty good at convincing the rest of the village to go along with me.Both mormegil and I voiced suspicions of him, and yet he did not bite back. Rather, a number of his comments indicate that he was inclined to trust us:

I don't really think people are following us [the phantom/SpM]. I am merely providing as much analysis as I possibly can and I am also trying to feel other people out and determine who I might want to follow, or at least give a long listen to.

Really, SP, I was hoping that we could, for once, work together without turning on each other. I think you are, perhaps, too scared of me to do such a thing. It's too bad, because you are not on my suspect list and even if you were I'd be willing to let you hang around longer than my other suspects in case you were innocent so that I could benefit from your (usually) good observations.

I don't believe I have ever been overly hostile to SP yesterday or today, and so I have not distanced myself "dramatically" as you put it.

I doubt he would have been willing to point a finger at Sauce and I the way he did if he was a wolf or bear. No, no- he would've done all he could to avoid becoming my opponent and would follow my lead so long as I was on the wrong trail (which everyone is on early in the game).If you review his posts, you will see that mormegil and I were really the only villagers who he spoke of in a reasonably positive light - save for one comment about Shelob, whom he said he had no real reason to suspect.

And look how he presses his innocence by claiming that the phantom dreamed of him ...Yes, I am seeking to establish my innocence. But I am not doing so for selfish reasons. Indeed, if I am low in people's suspicions, is more likely that I will be targeted by the beasts. I am doing it because I am in a position to do so and I think that it may be helpful for those who are innocent to have as many people that they feel they can trust (or at least put to the bottom of their suspect lists) as possible.

You are not that high on my suspect list, but I think you are not definitely innocent. Just wanted to say that.I don't expect anyone to clear me entirely on the basis of the phantom's comments. But I do think that it would be foolish to waste your time worrying about one of the few people about whom their is solid (if not decisive) evidence of innocence.

But hopefully, this statement by tp might save you:That statement no more clears Glirdan than does the fact that morm, Cailin and I thought him innocent but easily swayed. I very much doubt that the phantom dreamed of Glirdan. And I, for one, am beginning to think that this "agreeing with everyone" thing is more of an act than it at first appeared.

Nilp, I am not entrely sure why you chose to reveal yourself. Glirdan's comment didn't seem to me to necessitate it. He was always very unlikely to be the other shirriff. It's your choice of course, but it seemed to me rather too early to do so in circumstances where you were not under any particular suspicion and unlikely to be lynched. A known innocent would have been much more useful later in the game, with less beasts about (assuming that we get that far), but it is alas now quite likely that you will die to-Night.

My guess would be that either the phantom was hitting to close to home for the werewolves to feel comfortable, or that they were just trying to get rid of someone who was, to them, a nuisance and, to the rest of the village, a help.The phantom made few accusations. A sensible course, given his role. But if he did hit near the mark, that would tend to put Azaelia in the frame, since he seems to have suspected her the most.

First off, I want to apologize for being part of lynching Alcarillo.Hey, don't worry. Innocents are bound to vote for other innocents. It is inevitable. I played my part too by suggesting that Alcarillo's death would give us information either way. And actually I think that it did (although it's a shame that he attracted quite so many votes).

There are, howver, two (and only two) villagers who have voted for a known innocent on each of the previous Days:

Azaelia of Willowbottom and
Glirdan.

It's a bit too early to start accusing today.It may be too early to start voting (unless, like Nilp, you are unlikely to be around later), but it's never too early to start accusing. The more everyone's thoughts are shared as the Day progresses, the better shape we will be in when the time comes to vote.

[Cailín]

I tend to agree with this. The Wolves got lucky. And the Bear was probably trying to kill a Wolf and picked the wrong person (which would tend to point towards Kath). If s/he wasn't then s/he should have been, and certainly should now.

I thought it might be Kath... but I think we'd do better to try rounding up the wolves first, since the bear is so hard to detect and we can't afford another mistake right now.


That statement no more clears Glirdan than does the fact that morm, Cailin and I thought him innocent but easily swayed. I very much doubt that the phantom dreamed of Glirdan. And I, for one, am beginning to think that this "agreeing with everyone" thing is more of an act than it at first appeared.

I still had hopes for him to be innocent... But it is rather strange. If he's a wolf, he'd have known Alca to be innocent. He also knew - had he read all posts - he'd move, together with Azaelia, right to the top of the suspects list should Alcarillo prove to be innocent. I still think he might very possibly be a wolf, but I find it unlikely he and Azaelia are both wolves. I'm waiting to hear (more) from both till I decide - Glirdan's only post today seems a tad over the top.


It may be too early to start voting (unless, like Nilp, you are unlikely to be around later), but it's never too early to start accusing. The more everyone's thoughts are shared as the Day progresses, the better shape we will be in when the time comes to vote.

I meant accusing as in deciding who to vote for ^^ You are right, of course.

[Kath]

I tend to agree with this. The Wolves got lucky. And the Bear was probably trying to kill a Wolf and picked the wrong person (which would tend to point towards Kath). If s/he wasn't then s/he should have been, and certainly should now.
Er, what? I'm a little confused. Are you saying that I'm the Bear or that I was supposed to be killed. If the former then why on earth would I kill morm after going after him all day! Trust me, I'm not that brave!

Sorry, no time to analyse right now. I'll come back and take a proper look later.

[The Saucepan Man]

I thought it might be Kath... but I think we'd do better to try rounding up the wolves first, since the bear is so hard to detect and we can't afford another mistake right now.Agreed.

I still think he [Glirdan] might very possibly be a wolf, but I find it unlikely he and Azaelia are both wolves.It is quite possible that two Wolves have voted for both of the innocent lynchees. Neither were instrumental in instigating the lynchings, so it's quite possible that they thought others would be suspected above them. I am certainly coming round to the conclusion that one of them at least is a Wolf.

Are you saying that I'm the Bear or that I was supposed to be killed.I am saying that you might be the Bear on the basis that you suspected mormegil to be a Wolf. And the fact that you openly voiced strong accusations of mormegil does not excuse you entirely. It could be a double-bluff.

But, like Cailín, I am more concerned with finding the Wolves at the moment.

[Holbytlass]

The person I am fairly certain of their innocent is Glirdan despite his crazy posting, but then I was certain of Wilwarin being suspicious. But more has come to light and I need to analyze more, which is a long and painful task for me.

[The Saucepan Man]

The person I am fairly certain of their innocent is Glirdan ...What on earth makes you certain of his innocence?

[Folwren]

I've been thinking a lot since I last talked. I have been suspicious of Kath of late, as you'll note from my talking yesterDAY. But with Morm dead last night, and her having said what she did about not wanting to be linked with him when he was lynched and found to be something bad, I somehow came to the conclusion that she probably wasn't guilty of his death. I'm not saying that she's not a werewolf, but I somehow doubt that she's the Bear.

In the game up till now, I have only accused three people directly - Meneltarmacil (in my first post and rather flippantly), Alcarillo (poor chap), and Kath. But the wheels in my head have been turning since dawn today (well, in real life, since evening last night) and though I don't have time to back up my accusations and though I also am not completely founded on all of them, I'll list out who I think now worthy of scrutiny:

Meneltarmacil
Kath
Azaelia of Willowbottom and
Glirdan

Meneltarmacil may only be from personal dislike of being attacked by him not only once, but now twice, but I think he suspectible, if not guilty.

Kath is, as I said, probably not guilty of Morm's death, but she may be of the Phantoms.

And that's all I've got to say for now. I will not be back until sometime later today.

-- Folwren

By the by, this list is not in order from most suspected to least so. It is actually in no particular order at all.

[The Saucepan Man]

Meneltarmacil may only be from personal dislike of being attacked by him not only once, but now twice, but I think he suspectible, if not guilty.If we all just suspect people who suspect us, we'll get nowhere. Come on, you need to come up with better evidence than that!

Kath is, as I said, probably not guilty of Morm's death, but she may be of the Phantoms.Reasons, dear Folwren. We need reasons. How can we assess whether you might be hot or cold if you don't give your reasoning?

Azaelia of Willowbottom and
GlirdanDitto.

Really folks, you might as well not contribute if you're not going to try to provide some kind of insight into our dilemma. :mad:

I don't have to stay here you know. There are perfectly good mushroom crops elsewhere for me to harvest. :rolleyes:

*Rant ends*

Sorry, Folwren. It's not just you. You just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back. ;)

[Kath]

I am saying that you might be the Bear on the basis that you suspected mormegil to be a Wolf. And the fact that you openly voiced strong accusations of mormegil does not excuse you entirely. It could be a double-bluff.
I see. Well all I can say to that is I am not clever enough to carry it out nor brave enough to attempt it! If I were the Bear and had tried that I strongly suspect that I would be dead by now!

Now, as to other people;
Folwren - I must say she confuses me. She went after me yesterday for accepting morm's cross posting defence, then backtracked on that and went for a new tack, accusing me of the phantoms death instead, with no real reason. Is she going to expand on that at all? And then we have this quote from her;
If I am killed, I will be one more good person dead and I will be leaving no trails to help you find who the evil are.
As I recall very few people have been suspicious of Folwren so it seems odd for her to give a defence just out of the blue like that. To be honest I am not sure that she is guilty, she could just be a little confused or freaked out by all the accusing going on, but I'd like to hear some explanations from her quite soon.

Shelob - We haven't really heard much from her but what she has said has been quite helpful. That comment about the wolves killing one of a pair of adversaries is a good one. Are they trying to frame the survivor or are they playing a clever double bluff?

Holbytlass - Well she is another with no reasons for her suspicions but she has said that she'll be back later with more information so I'll wait for her.

Meneltarmacil - I suspect of wolvery for reasons that I have explained before. Unless things change majorly today and he manages to avert my suspicions he will be the recipient of my vote again.

WaynetheGoblin - Hasn't been as talkative as he was on the first day. Is this because he has learnt his lesson about slips of the tongue? And if so is he keeping quiet because he is a wolf and now wants to avoid suspicion of any kind? I'd like to see some posts from him today.

wilwarin538 - It seems now that she saved two innocents from the noose the other day though this could be a way of avoiding suspicion. Still, I have to say that I don't suspect her.

Durelin - Another person with an out of the blue insistence on innocence;
All I can say is, I am innocent, and completely useless. Chances are I will be killed by the wolves or the bear, being the quiet and pointless one.
Actually looking at that it is incredibly similar to Folwren's declaration of ord status. Is it possible that these two are wolves working together? If they consulted each other to find a way to avoid suspicion then this similarity might be explained.

Saucepan Man - Well, what am I supposed to think! He is about the only really loud person left (except for Nilp who we know to be innocent) and being an obvious and important presence in the village is often a wolvish strategy. And yet I find myself unable to suspect him. the phantom we now know was the Seer and he stated that Saucepan Pan was not on his list of suspects. Now it seems unlikely that such a person would just believe in innocence and so I'm guessing that he dreamed of SpM and found him innocent. So Saucy, no suspicion here.

Kath - Not a bear, not a wolf. But then I would say that!

Azaelia of Willowbottom - I was accused yesterday for not finding her suspicious. Today I have heard nothing from her and would like to wait for something at least before deciding whether to join this particular bandwagon or remain thinking of her as an innocent.

Cailín - Another one who thinks I am the Bear;
If the bear decided to stick to the phantom's plan, it's probably Kath - the only one really suspicious of morm. However, we cannot be sure of that.
This I suppose is a fair comment, except that if I was the Bear and following the phantom's plan in this way I would surely have killed Meneltarmacil the night before having been suspicious of him all day.

Nilpaurion Felagund - Claims to be the second Shirriff and has not been contested so I think we'll have to take that as being the truth. Therefore beyond suspicion.

Gil-Galad - We have heard nothing from him yet today so again I will wait.

Glirdan - Has certainly taken a beating today, and I can't say that I disagree. His little speech this morning was incredibly over the top, but then I thought SamwiseGamgee's defence was too much and he turned out to be innocent. Just a couple of things that he said caught my eye;
Unless the wolves chose randomly, yet that seems highly unlikely
Why? If they didn't know who the Seer was and had no real idea as to who anyone was then all they could really have done was choose randomly. Also, as Shelob said, killing the phantom could have been a way to try and set up the Saucepan Man, who by default I have to think of as innocent, so we would lynch an innocent today. Therefore we have a reason for the wolves to have chosen him. Also;
And the bear! His first victim was (not counting Shelob's poor llama) Kitanna who happened to be the cobbler! And now he got a shiriff!? Coincidence? once again, I think not.
Has he misunderstood? It is a good thing that the Bear killed Kitanna, the Cobbler is an enemy of the village.
He is another one that confuses me in that some of his comments could be easily misconstrued, like Wayne's before, but it seems only right to give him the benefit of the doubt to explain himself so I'll wait for another post. If one is not forthcoming then he'll have to go on my suspect list, which as of now reads like this:

Meneltarmacil
Folwren
Durelin

[The Saucepan Man]

He is about the only really loud person left (except for Nilp who we know to be innocent) ...You might want to add yourself to that category now, Kath. Good thoughts. Just the sort of thing we need around here at the moment. :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Since Kath remains highly suspicious of him, some further thoughts on Meneltarmacil.

When he voted yesterday, the votes then cast stood as follows:

Alcarillo - 6
Azaelia - 2
Wilwarin - 1
Menel - 3

At that stage, there were still (as far as he knew) four votes left to be cast (after his).

He voted for Azaelia.

That is useful in two respects:

1. It tells us that, if Azaelia is a Wolf, Menel almost certainly is not. His vote increased her chances of being lynched instead of Alcarillo. It's a risk that a Wolf would be unwilling to take.

2. It also tells us that Menel is unlikely to be a beast of any description. He was in danger of being lynched himself, something that each of our furry fiends want to avoid at all costs (moreso than an ordinary villager). To reduce that risk, his best option would have been to vote for Alcarillo and put him further ahead. Yet he did not do so. He voted for Azaelia, bringing her level with him. That seems a very non-Lycanthropic vote to me.

Neither proposition is certain, since Menel could be playing it outrageously boldly, or he might have thought that a vote for Alcarillo would look too suspicious.

Any thoughts?

[Folwren]

NOOO!!!!!!! Pages and pages worth of typing GONE! :eek:

Okay, sorry folks. I really seriously honestly did have over a page's worth of writing here on my reason and defense. Then the blasted computer malfunctioned and I lost it all in a single swipe. Well, that's the last time I type such serious stuff here on the internet. :mad:

After I eat lunch, I'll come back and retype, if I can, all that I just lost. Please forgive me. I promise I will be back, Saucepan Man, with proper back up to my accusations. (Well, as proper as I can scrape up.)

- Folwren

[Cailín]

I see. Well all I can say to that is I am not clever enough to carry it out nor brave enough to attempt it! If I were the Bear and had tried that I strongly suspect that I would be dead by now!

The funny thing is, you would not be. Nobody's going after the bear today and I don't think you are a real wolf-lynching candidate either. I'm not saying that you really are the bear, because, honestly, I have absolutely no clue as to who the bear is.

Folwren - I must say she confuses me. (...) To be honest I am not sure that she is guilty, she could just be a little confused or freaked out by all the accusing going on, but I'd like to hear some explanations from her quite soon.

Agreed. Her contributions haven't really been helpful up till now, but they were enough to make me not suspect her. She voted Alca yesterday, following the phantom's plan to clear things up a little, yet accuses the exact same people she accused from day one - without solid reasoning.

Shelob - We haven't really heard much from her but what she has said has been quite helpful. That comment about the wolves killing one of a pair of adversaries is a good one. Are they trying to frame the survivor or are they playing a clever double bluff?

SpM and the phantom clearly seemed allies in this game - at least to me. Sure, they did argue, but rather to edge on the rest of us (and possibly to amuse themselves a little). It was quite evident the phantom never suspected SpM and SpM was just a little on guard. So trying to frame the survivor seems incredibly far-fetched. Nobody's suspecting SpM anymore than yesterday. If it's a clever double bluff and The Saucepan Man is, in fact, a wolf, someone save us...?

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What catches my eye the most is that both the wolves and the bear are killing as much experienced players as possible. Being a newbie myself, I am (or at least am considered) easily manipulated and easy to fool. TGWBS, Kitanna, Morm, the phantom all were experienced players. Without these people - who were also regular contributors - the village will become a lot easier to infiltrate by the werecreatures. I'm still suspicious of others I consider very experienced who are saying too little to be accused, like Shelob and Holbytlass.

Now I'm hoping the bear might still be on our side for now. But tis funny that the bear should choose to kill Mormegil rather than Glirdan or Azaelia who seem to be the main suspects today. So I think with the bear we should be looking at someone who does not agree with the public opinion - or someone far too clever for their own good.

We have fourteen people left, three are wolves. Two out of 14 are known innocents, at least for me ^^. The people under the most suspicion right now are Glirdan, Azaelia and Meneltarmacil. Now, do we honestly believe these three are our wolves, or would that just be too easy?

I'd say we're dealing with some rather intelligent werebeasts here, finding the Seer this early on.

I notice that Azaelia's vote did put Bergil in the majority when the deadline was close and both he and Glirdan were about to be lynched. She does seem a little wolfish to me, but I think her defense of herself makes sense as well and therefore I'm going to reserve judgement for now.

Glirdan, though, seems to have changed his mind on a lot of things and several people voted for him yesterDay. I think he may be up to something.

Is Meneltarmacil really flattering himself here? When I'm looking through his posts I really find nothing suspicious there. Only perhaps that he voted Azaelia, and at a crucial time too, while feeling so strongly about Glirdan earlier. It makes a Glirdan - Azaelia - Menel team very unlikely. Kath, I may have missed something here, I apologize - but why exactly do you find Menel so suspicious? His voting behavior - as SpM rightly points out - has not been so strange either. Only if Azaelia is not a wolf, Menel just may be one.

Right now, I think Glirdan is the most suspicious in his behavior. Azaelia has a similar record, but I find that her defense is just slightly better. It seems that on Day 1, she prevented a doublelynching by making a desperate last minute vote and day two, she was just unlucky, jumping on the wrong bandwagon. I'm not saying she's innocent, I'm still wary about her, but I'm inclined to vote Glirdan tonight.

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I'm not feeling at my most helpful-ishness either and I have this strong, bad feeling that once we know who the wolves are, I'm going to pull my hair out of frustration. *sniff* I mean, what do I know? I'm just the girl who crochets scarves, you know.

[Holbytlass]

What on earth makes you certain of his innocence?
I said fairly certain, because of what THE PHANTOM said to you about re-reading the posts of your main suspects and one of them should be moved higher or lower on the list. So I looked back and something Glirdan said jumped out at me, so that's why.

[Shelob]

SpM and the phantom clearly seemed allies in this game - at least to me. Sure, they did argue, but rather to edge on the rest of us (and possibly to amuse themselves a little). It was quite evident the phantom never suspected SpM and SpM was just a little on guard. So trying to frame the survivor seems incredibly far-fetched. Nobody's suspecting SpM anymore than yesterday. If it's a clever double bluff and The Saucepan Man is, in fact, a wolf, someone save us...?

As Kath pointed out Phantom did tend to suggest that SPM is innocent. Given that he was the seer I don't think we're wrong to assume that SPM is therefore innocent.



2. It also tells us that Menel is unlikely to be a beast of any description. He was in danger of being lynched himself, something that each of our furry fiends want to avoid at all costs (moreso than an ordinary villager). To reduce that risk, his best option would have been to vote for Alcarillo and put him further ahead. Yet he did not do so. He voted for Azaelia, bringing her level with him. That seems a very non-Lycanthropic vote to me.

True, but with some holes. If Menel is a werewolf he probably would have looked at the votes (6-Alcarillo, 3-Menel) and reacted in the way one expected, by voting for Alcarillo. Self Preservation would dictate that he do that, and he would have not only the self-preservation of himself to think of but the self preservation of his fellow wolves as well. Now if Menel were the Bear self preservation would have dictated the same thing, but since it would be self preservation solely of himself it might demand he put more thought into it, it wouldn't be as much a gut-reaction as for the wolves. Even with the remaining votes the Alcarillo Bandwagon was started and it was pretty unlikely all the people who hadn't voted would and that they would all vote for Menel. At that point he could have realized that a vote for Alcarillo would make him look like he was trying to save himself while a vote for someone else (even if it placed someone else in his same position, thus opening them up to take the lead) would look the next DAY like he was an innocent. So non-Lycanthropic yes, but non-wolf should not mean non-were.

Since I'm still in school I haven't been able to go over it more carefully, those two things just caught my eye.

[Meneltarmacil]

Meneltarmacil - I suspect of wolvery for reasons that I have explained before. Unless things change majorly today and he manages to avert my suspicions he will be the recipient of my vote again.

Once again, Kath accuses me of lycanthropy citing as her evidence things I have already explained. And, once again, Shelob accuses me shortly thereafter. I think it is possible that one of these may be a werebeast, either WereKath proposing the idea and Shelob being persuaded by her reasoning, or Kath being innocent and WereShelob using Kath's suggestion to cast suspicion on me. The latter is more likely than the former in my opinion.

As for other people, my suspects right now would be Glirdan, due to his impersonating the other Shirriff, and Holbytlass for acting so convinced of his innocence. Though I don't think they're both wolves, as I doubt Holby would make herself look guilty by defending her fellow wolf.

[Folwren]

Okay, folks, I've re-written everything. It's a lot of stuff. Hope I don't bore you to tears like I'm expecting to.

By Kath:
As I recall very few people have been suspicious of Folwren so it seems odd for her to give a defence just out of the blue like that. To be honest I am not sure that she is guilty, she could just be a little confused or freaked out by all the accusing going on, but I'd like to hear some explanations from her quite soon.

I’m going off instinct. In my mind, I can see my self suspectable because of my campaigning (so to speak) against Alcarillo and in favor of his death, which came about and ended up proving him innocent. Because I rallied so mercilessly against him and because he ended up lynched, people may believe that I killed an innocent on purpose. I’m trying to tell you I didn’t. And I also tell you, nt only did I truly believe him to be a werecreature, but I myself am completely innocent. (But any one will say that.)

I find this all very difficult. In an actual game where you’re playing with people personally it’s easy to tell at some point in time if they’re being true or false. A red face, a shifty eye, too loud a voice...you can use it all. But here...with the inability to see each other, it’s tripping me up, and I am indeed confused and panicky. Anyone who could see me would know that I was speaking truthfully when I say ‘I am innocent’, but nothing can be certain over a computer. That’s why I’m hasty to step out before anyone accuses me. If you ask me, I’ll tell you - yes, I do have a guilty conscious. I feel horrible now that Alcarillo’s been killed and found innocent. But I am not a werecreature.

By SpM:
Really folks, you might as well not contribute if you're not going to try to provide some kind of insight into our dilemma.

Look, I told you before I wrote my suspects that I didn't have time to tell you why. But now I’ll do my best to give some reason of why I suspect those names that I put down.

Glirdan I began to doubt yesterday with all his wishy-washy changing ideas, but this morning’s post really made me see a red flag go up for his name. People have excused him so far on account of his newness to the game, but I’m new and although I have my faults (indeed I’m very, very lacking in the skills needed in this game, apparently) I haven’t changed my opinion on people until (as in the case of Alcarillo) I am proved irrevocably wrong

Azaelia - I don’t think she’s said anything today thus far, but after everyone else’s death she seemed very sorry about it (like Glirdan this morning). Sorry, but not serious. An ordinary villager is less likely to say ‘Oh poor Short Guy! He got killed.’ and more likely to say more on ‘Why was he killed? Who killed him? Who will be next?’ She’s too light for a villager who is part of a village being torn apart by werewolves and a ravenous Bear.

My explanation for my suspicion of Kath is more difficult to analyze. All your defenses, Kath, and your rebukes, Sauce Man, have confused and partially angered and hurt me. However, looking at it with as cool a head I can manage, I come up with this -

Before she told Morm that she seriously suspected him, I found her posts things to be wary of. To me, she appears to speak carefully and kept to the shadows as much as she could, though at the same time, she tried to sound lighthearte, untroubled by the scheming thoughts that a werecreature might have, and she also tried to sound as though she really was a regular villager. But it all seemed like a false mask (to me).

When Morm made his suggestion that the Phantom and SpM might be both bad, it occurred to me that Morm might possibly himself be bad (though I doubted it) and he might want to throw a shadow of doubt on those two. It also struck me as somewhat dangerous for him. What if those two were doubted and eventually killed because of it? What if the villagers then turned on Morm for first suggesting it when they turned out to be good? That’s what I said what I said.

However, when Kath leapt on Morm not because of what he said, but because of a personal dislike, my suspicions hardened and took shape in a post I later wrote.

Last night’s killing threw me off. Kather wouldn’t have killed Morm after saying what she had. IT would be too dangerous for her, and there was no real reason.

So it is that I come to the conclusion that Kath is not guilty for Morm’s death, but she may have helped in the Phantom’s. My point is, my suspicion since yesterday has not been strengthened by his death, nor has it been weakened by it. I have begun to waver on it with how both Saucepan Man and Kath have attacked me on it and I’m beginning to rethink these, but you asked for my reasons for putting her name down and those are all the reasons I can come up with.

As for Menel, well, you’ll be happy to know I have less to say concerning him. I only suspect him because he accused me of doing something he himself did, he seems to misread people’s posts and makes them look terrible on account of it, and, as I said before, I don’t like him because he’s pointed at me more than once and I know that I for one am innocent. This is my weakest accusation...the one I least believe in, so I won’t stick to it.

His voting for Azaelia also helps prove me wrong, so he may be a happy, innocent villager himself.

[wilwarin538]

Alas, two gifteds in one night, and most likely we will lose are other Shirriff toNight. We must lynch a Were creature today.

Glirdan is one of my main suspects, he always seems to be agreeing with everyone, like he is trying to get on everyone's good side. When I read his first post today I thought he was the other Shirriff, but it turned out to be Nilp, so now Glirdan's post is making me very uneasy.

I am also suspicious of Azealia and somewhat suspicious of Menel, for reasons previously stated.

My list, in order of how suspicious they are to me:
Glirdan
Azealia
Menel

It seems that today I will probably vote for Glirdan.

I also have a question for Holby. Would you please explain the reason for your suspicion of me yesterDay? It doesn't look like you explained it. Thank you.

(sorry about how short and simple this is, I've got homework to get to :rolleyes: )

[Holbytlass]

wilwa looks a lot less suspicious now, because her tie-breaking vote on DAY 1 saved two innocents, not Wolves.

Glirdan looks more suspicious to me. What do you mean by this:Quote:
Mormegil!! Oh mormegil!! My good friend. I have only known you for a short time and yet I feel like I've known you forever. And now your gone! Taken from us by this horrible and gruesome fate! Why oh why!?!? (Glirdan in #189)

Are you trying to hint something? But what? I'm the second Shiriff, so you can't be hinting that!

Seeing that Nilp has not been challenged on being the other shirrif, it is safe to assume that his intentions are not to confuse or direct falsely. After seeing these two observations of his I am inclined to think he is on the right track.

I thought Glirdan was the ranger from him wanting to buy a sword and shield from Morm, but a real ranger would not then turn around and put in another clue about a different gifted role.

And Wilwa, I don't find you suspicious anymore, no hard feelings I hope, the fumes can make my head fuzzy sometimes.

[Holbytlass]

Just saw Wilwarin's question...At the time I didn't see anyone more suspicious and least of all Alcarillo, so you might say I was sticking to my guns.

[Glirdan]

Let's get one thing staright here. I was NOT trying to impersonate a Shirriff!! Morm, as I have stated previously, was a very dear friend of mine and I was grieving heavily for his death. Why on earth would you cast suspicion on someone who was greiving for a close friend!? I don't know how you took what I said earlier to be werecreaturish? I'm now in a state of shock, in case you don't know.

Enca and Morm, two people I've know very well, are dead! The phantom's death, even though me and him weren't great friends, was a terrible loss, especially since he was the Seer. And now I have to live with the fact that I've condemned two innocents to death. And because of that, it's put me in a pile of muck. I hope (if I'm not the one who gets lynched, which seems to be the case) that I don't make this mistake again.

As for my suspicions, I don't really have time to go through all the posts (homework) and have none right now. Although if I had any, it would be Gil due to the fact that he has been awfully silent as of late. Is it due to personal reasons, or is he a wolf or bear? Wayne as well. I will wait a little while before I vote.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I doNt think were doing to wEll cause we lost are seeR. I think that these people Are werewolfs. gliRdan Gil and menel.

[Durelin]

Actually looking at that it is incredibly similar to Folwren's declaration of ord status. Is it possible that these two are wolves working together? If they consulted each other to find a way to avoid suspicion then this similarity might be explained.Working together with Folwren when I voted for her lynching, and am still suspecting her as a guilty party?

If it's a clever double bluff and The Saucepan Man is, in fact, a wolf, someone save us...?I think it's time for someone to save us. ;) Personally, I think the 'clever double bluff' option is incredibly believable... Actually, as soon as I saw that the phantom, who was none other than our precious seer, had been killed...the first person I considered was Saucepan Man.

Did not the Seer only have 2 nights to dream, as his 3rd was tragically interrupted? I suppose it is plausible that he dreamt of Saucie, but if Saucie was not much of a suspect to begin with...why waste a dream on him? I consider him a suspect, though. And that's not *playing favorites*...or, well, the opposite, really. It seems Glirdan and Azaelia, and particularly the former, are the picks today. And they, of course, are the two names that Saucepan Man first pointed out. If either of them are horribly and wrongfully lynched, Saucie's guilt will be a little more certain to me.

I'm still wary of Folwren, particularly since Alcarillo turned out to be innocent as I thought. Her voting for Alcarillo seemed to be at a key moment, keeping the bandwagon rolling toward his lynching. Plus, today she has been very much a follower. She has practically copied exactly what Saucepan Man has said, and of course has the same suspects...now, anyway. Previously, her list had several names before that of Glirdan and Azaelia, but in her most recent post, they are the first, and who she seems to be mostly concerned with. Her accusations conerning Menel are also rather poor, though I would not disregard Menel as an innocent. Saucepan Man's explanation for his non-wolfishness is a good one, and though Saucie is always suspicious, for now I will at least hear his advice.

But if Saucie is a wolf, than Folwren most certainly is not (and vice-versa), as I doubt the wolves would ever be foolish enough to think exactly in the same way. Though Sauce does speak of Folwren accusations as without reasons. I agree with that, though now she has given some reasons, but...was that an attempt to distance himself from her? I still doubt this, but anything's possible.

wilwarin is concerning me slightly, because she seems to be following the crowd a lot, as well. I don't like that. That's trying to blend in and go unoticed, or just be impossible to pick out from all the bandwagoning.

F0rgiv3 m3 f0r t3h lengthiness. H4d a bi7 to say in my abs3nce(s).

EDIT: Cross-posted with the following: Holby, Glirdan, and Wayne

[wilwarin538]

Well it seems I will not be able to vote later. So here goes:

++GLIRDAN

I truly hope he is guilty. I would hate to be responsible for an innocent's death.

[Cailín]

As for other people, my suspects right now would be Glirdan, due to his impersonating the other Shirriff, and Holbytlass for acting so convinced of his innocence. Though I don't think they're both wolves, as I doubt Holby would make herself look guilty by defending her fellow wolf.

And why would Holby defend an innocent who she knows has every chance to die tonight, if she were a wolf? If she saves him, an actual fellow wolf might die. I don't think there's a were-relation between the two.

--

A lot of people seem to be thinking along the lines of Menel, Azaelia and Glirdan. I don't really believe that to be our wolf trio, but I pray it's true. Though Durelin just made another valid point, and I was thinking along the same lines earlier today when I made my newbie statement. If The Saucepan Man and say - Shelob - are working together, we are all following tremendously well. Has there been any other original thought today than what SpM said first? I mean, sure, he is a good reasoner and I still sort of think the phantom dreamed about him - but we can't be sure. The phantom never clearly stated he thought SpM was innocent, as Holby rightly says - he was far more determined about Glirdan.

I don't think I will start a lynch SpM campaign just yet - I'm still half convinced he's innocent - but I'd love to hear some more input from Azaelia, Glirdan and all the others who are heading straight for the gallows right now. If you're innocent, please don't follow what others already said before you, but give us some new thoughts. All the nodding and agreeing will just make you look more suspicious and won't be any help. I'm sorry to be so harsh, but if you're not the furry ones, you're making it very easy for some clever wolves out there. (As I might be, but I just think I need more opinions before I make my decision here.)

P.S. I'm still slightly wary of Kath. Maybe the werebear tried to frame her? ^^

[The Saucepan Man]

... your rebukes, Sauce Man, have confused and partially angered and hurt me.No hurt intended, I can assure you. As I said, it was not just you that I was ranting at. You just happened to be the one in the way at the time. :rolleyes: ;)

I just wanted to get people talking, discussing and airing their views. And happily, it has worked. There is a much more healthy discussion going on now.

Although:

I think that these people are werewolfs. GLIRDAN GIL AND MENEL.Would you mind explaining why, old chap?

Glirdan's latest post was not particularly helpful either.

I thought Glirdan was the ranger from him wanting to buy a sword and shield from Morm, but a real ranger would not then turn around and put in another clue about a different gifted role.Ah, I see. Yes, I recall that comment standing out to me at the time but, on consideration, I dismissed it as a piece of "in character" banter. The same goes for his comment this morning about mormegil, although I did think that the greiving was rather over the top.

The phantom's comment led me to something that Azaelia had said. Something that made her look more suspicious than her place at the bottom of my list may have warranted. But I could be wrong. Certainly, she and Glirdan are my current main suspects. And I am tending towards Azaelia at the moment. I had hoped that she might have said more to-Day ...

I amworking on pulling together my thoughts on everyone who is still with us, and hope to share them shortly.

[Glirdan]

I will now have to cast my vote. It shall be....

++Gil-Galad

Due to his scilence (not thorughtout the entire game), he has mad me suspicous of him. Wayne also, but I think that it's more because he is a newbie, not because he is a werecreature.

[The Saucepan Man]

A lot of people seem to be thinking along the lines of Menel, Azaelia and Glirdan. I don't really believe that to be our wolf trio, but I pray it's true.I don't either. If Azaelia is a Wolf, Menel is almost certainly not one. But I do think that at least one of those three (and probably not Menel) is a Wolf.

If The Saucepan Man and say - Shelob - are working together, we are all following tremendously well.I do hope that no one is mindlessly following anything that anyone else says. If you are innocent, you should only vote for someone that you believe is guilty, particularly to-Day.

And I would much prefer that the votes be spread around, rather than being concentrated on just one or two candidates. It makes the voting much more informative the next Day.

I mean, sure, he is a good reasoner and I still sort of think the phantom dreamed about him - but we can't be sure. The phantom never clearly stated he thought SpM was innocent, as Holby rightly says - he was far more determined about Glirdan.Of course you can't be sure. I wouldn't expect you to be. But I hope you will not think me immodest if I insist that the phantom seemed much nore confident of me than he did of Glirdan. His comment about Glirdan was simply based on his behaviour.

Now I really must get on with ordering my thoughts ...

[Kath]

My reasons for this vote have been explained earlier and as I have not been able to get online since my last post they have not changed. Therefore my vote goes to ;

++MENELTARMACIL

[Meneltarmacil]

I really am not all that convinced of anything about Glirdan at this point. He may be a werebeast, he may not. As far as whether or not he was guilty of Shirriff impersonation, I don't know, though his repetition of "I feel like I've known mormegil for a long time" does appear a little suspicious. Holbytlass falls into the same category in my book. Might be a Beast, might just be innocent. I'd like to hear more about why she feels Glirdan is innocent, however.

I am most suspicious of Shelob and Kath at this point, though. I'll probably vote for one of them by the end of the Day.

[Cailín]

It's getting late and I will not have another opportunity to cast my vote today...

I'll be going with my first instincts this game and vote:

++GLIRDAN

Because of reasons stated before: suspicious behavior, voting for two known innocents. I hope the votes spread out a little and the outcome of this lynching will not doom our village. I still have hope for us. ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

Thoughts duly gathered. Here they are, in case anyone finds them useful:

Folwren:
Unduly anxious about looking suspicious for having voted for Alcarillo, when she had not really been accused. Overly defensive?
Didn’t vote on Day 1 (which I still regard as supicious).
Voted for Alcarillo on Day 2 to put him ahead of Azaelia. But is now strongly accusing Azaelia.

Shelob:
Voted for the phantom on Day 1. But there was no particular reason to think him innocent then.
Her vote for Meneltarmacil on Day 2 could have been part of an effort by the Wolves to spread their votes around.
Has appeared to be helpful and contributing without really putting forward any strong views on whom she suspects.

Holbytlass:
Seems “too innocent”, if you know what I mean. Looks like she’s trying to appear innocent and helpful, but without giving too much away.
A possible pairing with Kath, given the timing of her vote for Bergil on Day 1.
Her rather baseless supicion of (and vote for) wilwarin on Day 2 is supicious, but she has since changed her position on wilwarin.
On Day 2, she could have been trying to “hide” by voting for someone unlikely to be lynched.
To my mind, Holby plays her cards very close to her chest. She only identifies one main suspect each day and sticks to that. But that could be seen as a good thing.

Meneltarmacil:
Despite my vote for him yester-Day, I really don’t think him to be a Wolf. His vote for Azaelia on Day 2 rather than Alcarillo persuades me otherwise.
Almost certainly not a Wolf if Azaelia is.

WaynetheGoblin
Difficult to say as he doesn’t really say much.
The only thing which I find at all suspicious is his failure to vote on Day 2.
I’ll keep him in the “don’t know” category.

Wilwarin538:
I am not so sure that her vote “to save two innocents” on Day 1 clears her, as she voted for another innocent, namely Bergil.
Her vote for Azaelia on Day 2 clears her if Azaelia is a Wolf.
Not much else to go on, but I tend to think her innocent.

Durelin:
Despite her accusation of me, it appears that she is trying to be helpful.
But her votes for unlikely lynching candidates (me on Day 1 and Folwren on Day 2) could be attempts to avoid suspicion.
Another don’t know, although I have my eye on her as a possible Bear since she has been successfully doing very little to garner suspicion.

The Saucepan Man:
I am innocent and I believe that the phantom’s comments speak in my favour.
I am glad that some of you here at least are prepared to give me the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

Kath:
Difficult one this. I did suspect her originally for her lack of analysis but she has been much more forthcoming recently.
She has stuck doggedly to her conviction of Menel’s guilt and has named very few other suspects, similar to Holby.
As noted above, she could be a pairing with Holby, given that Holby’s vote for Bergil on Day 1 took some of the pressure of her.
I just have a bad feeling about Kath, although it may be nothing.

Azaelia of Willowbottom:
Her last minute vote for Bergil was very strange. She claims to have panicked. If she is telling the truth, it seems to me much more likely that a Wolf would have panicked than an innocent because Wolves have more reason to consider the implications of their vote. An ordinary villager, if unsure of whom to vote for, would have just voted for someone who was unlikely to be lynched. If she is not telling the truth then she is not to be trusted.
She was the first to suggest that Alcarillo was responsible for TGWBS’s death (executing a frame-up plan?) and led the calls for Alcarillo’s lynching.
She hardly ever accuses anyone except the person she votes for.
She has voted for two known innocents.
She seems to have been the phantom’s only real suspect. Was he getting too close for comfort?

Cailín:
Another “don’t know”.
Her vote for Alcarillo is not overly suspicious as she was only the second person to vote for him.
She seems to be trying to help the village’s cause, and I have no particular reason to suspect her.
Which of course makes me slightly suspicious.

Nilpaurion Felagund
I think it’s pretty clear now that he is the second shirriff.

Gil-Galad:
He has said very little of consequence, although I’m sure that he knows that this is bound to attract suspicion.
He seemed very proud of himself for voting for Kitanna, and eager to make sure everyone knew about it. He had no reason to know, when he voted, that she was the Cobbler, so perhaps he was using this to try to establish a false innocence.
Definitely suspicious.

Glirdan:
Flip-flopper and seemingly over-eager to please. I originally put this down to naïve excitement, but now I’m not so sure.
He has voted for two known innocents, and with quite suspicious timing too.
Could be paired with Kath for the timing of his vote for Bergil on Day 1, or with either Azaelia or Menel (but not both) for the timing of his vote for Alcarillo on Day 2.
Over the top grieving for our fallen villagers, but this could just be “in character” interplay.

So, in summary:

Top suspects: Azaelia and Glirdan. Azaelia edges it on the evidence and because I still have this nagging feeling that Glirdan is simply guileless.
Secondary suspects: Holbytlass, Folwren, Kath, Gil-Galad and Shelob.
Don’t knows: Cailín, Durelin and WaynetheGoblin.
Probably not Wolves: Meneltarmacil and wilwarin.
Definitely innocent: Nilpaurion and The Saucepan Man.

[The Saucepan Man]

Glirdan has three votes already and Azaelia has none! :eek:

We need to try to keep these Wolves on their toes.

So, without further ado (and for the reasons previously stated):

++AZAELIA OF WILLOWBOTTOM

[Shelob]

Carrying on with my suspicion from yesterday I think I'm going to vote

++MENELTARMACIL

again.

[Meneltarmacil]

Having stated my reasons for who I think is most guilty, my vote goes to

++Shelob

The tigers are probably getting pretty hungry about now, so I'll be off feeding them.

[The Saucepan Man]

It certainly seems like Menel has a policy of refusing to cast the vote most likely to save his own skin.

Surely, with 6 votes left (including from some who those have accused him to-Day), he would have voted for Glirdan, or even Azaelia or Gil-Galad, if he were a beast.

He is either a beast who likes living on the edge, or completely and thoroughly innocent ...

[Durelin]

You're a bit of a contradiction today, Cailín! You spoke of following, and now you vote for Glirdan...interesting.

But Meneltmarcil's recent vote upsets me. I am nowhere near sure of anyone'sinnocence, except the poor souls who have perished, but his vote for Shelob is quite intriguing, and perhaps revealing. With two votes against him, he votes for one person who voted for him. Still, he would have had a better chance by voting for Glirdan like the rest. So, perhaps Saucie is right about him, and my reaction to his vote is baseless.

*sighs* Another almost blind vote... I don't know where we'll be if it's another innocent, which it most likely will be.

What can I say, I'm a pessimist?

I am also a contradiction today, and I take back my comment on Cailín. I suppose it doesn't do much good going against the crowd altogether...one person will still get lynched today.

++AZAELIA OF WILLOWBOTTOM

Saucepan Man's list was helpful. The arguments against her make the most sense to me, and as I said before...what's the point of voting for someone, knowing that there is hardly a chance this will affect anything. The only point to avoiding being counted among the lynchee votes is staying away from blame if they are innocent. I have no reason to do that.

I hope we've got ourselves a wolf, though as always, I'm skeptical as well as pessimistic. At least we'll see if Saucie can be trusted for sure.

[The Saucepan Man]

The votes currently stand at:

Glirdan - 3
Gil-Galad - 1
Menel - 2
Azaelia - 2
Shelob - 1

[Holbytlass]

I'm not sure of anyone right this second, so I will be the 'suspicious' second vote for
++Azaelia

to keep the wolves on their toes.

[Durelin]

A tie... I almost regret my vote... A double lynching certainly is not in order... I'm glad there are several votes to go.

[The Saucepan Man]

I suspect that Holby cross-posted with you Durelin.

But Folwren, Azaelia, Gil-Galad and Wayne are yet to vote. At least two of those are likely to do so.

So it won't necessarily be a tie.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

So sorry, I was at school and then had a meeting.

She was the first to suggest that Alcarillo was responsible for TGWBS’s death (executing a frame-up plan?) and led the calls for Alcarillo’s lynching.
She hardly ever accuses anyone except the person she votes for.
She has voted for two known innocents.
She seems to have been the phantom’s only real suspect. Was he getting too close for comfort?

I know I've looked far too suspicious over the course of the game, and I did indeed vote for two "known innocents"...but the thing of it is, no one knew that Alcarillo and Bergil were innocent at the time. (Except maybe Phantom, but we'll never know that for sure.). I never accused anyone except for who I voted for because I voted for the person I found the most suspicious. If you go back to my post about Alcarillo after TGWBS' death, I did suggest that it was a frame-up plan.

Actually, I had (and have) absoloutely nothing against the Phantom . I know that fingers are pointed at the wrong people all over the place in this game. I was not concerned that he expressed suspicion of me, since everyone else has, too.

If an innocent is lynched today, the were-villager ratio is going to be really unbalanced. I am particularly frustrated because I am innocent, and it seems that the "Kill Zali" bandwagon is picking up steam. If you want the weres to win, by all means, lynch me. I'm not at all gifted or a werewolf/bear...but that is a threat. If I die, the rest of you innocents are facing a rather bleak future as a village. Please. Just consider it.

[The Saucepan Man]

If you go back to my post about Alcarillo after TGWBS' death, I did suggest that it was a frame-up plan. Of course you did. You wanted to be able to point back to it in case it became an issue, as you have just done. But the very fact that you mentioned it, right there at the beginning of the Day, strengthens my view that you were one of those who conceived it as a plan.

And your attempt to appeal to those yet to vote reeks of a Wolfish ploy to escape the noose.

Why do you not vote now to save yourself? Or is it because your Wolfish pal, Glirdan is also facing the gallows and you are waiting to see whether anyone else is going to vote?

[Gil-Galad]

you know what i realized? The Saucepan Man has always been the helpful villager, and that is clouding our judgement about him... if i am wrong my dear saucey, no hard feelings

++The Sauce Pan Man


its more that he is going right under our noses and he could be a wolf/bear

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

OK, fine. You've forced me into a corner where everything I do seems suspicious. :p

If Glirdan is innocent, let the record stand that I was forced into a corner (by, perhaps, a Saucepanman who is hiding a fanged and furry secret...).

I will vote ++Glirdan

Partially due to intimidation (naming no names, Sauce :D just kidding, that's what this game is all about), and partially to break a tie, and partially again to save my own innocent butt.

(If I'm lynched, please, someone remember to plant azaeleas on my grave...they're my favorites... :( )

Edit: cross-posted with Gil-Galad

[Folwren]

This vote makes me sick. Down right sick to my stomach. Do I have to vote? Must I?

No one's here to really answer me.....I don't have time to wait five minutes for Sauce Man to reply.

I can't vote. I want to vote Azaelia, but that'll put two people in the noose at once. And what happens if they're both innocent? ...

But what if both are guilty?

Heaven help me.

++Azaelia of Willowbottom

Consider it thus:

Glirdan can not be saved.

My suspicion added to what Saucepan Man said in his summing up of everything made an equal sign that said guilty as far as we can tell.

[The Saucepan Man]

You know, I'm beginning to think that a double-lynching of Glirdan and Azaelia may not be such a bad thing. That's the way that I would have voted, Folwren. :)

Although heaven help us tomorrow if we are wrong. :eek:

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Heaven help you all, indeed, when you find out that I am innocent. I'd beg you to reconsider, but votes cannot be retracted. I tried to warn you.

edit: cross-posted with Sauce. Goodbye. :(

[Glirdan]

Well, it seems like toDay is my last day amongst all of you. I just have one final request. Someone take care of my cheese shop, as a final favor?

[Encaitare]

Voting is closed. Double lynching will soon be posted.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Farewell, sweet village. I'm on to a better place.

Please bury me somewhere with lots of pretty flowers, preferably azaeleas.