Werewolf X: The One Saga to Rule them All!

[Anguirel]

Once again working on the basis of Descartes, knowing myself to be, as the ancient Dwarven phrase describes it, "as pure and innocent as the wind-driven snow," I have to assume that the death of Celuien of the Frogs was a clumsy attempt to stitch me up; and so ask the question "who benefits from me being suspected for lynching?"

Anguirel- well, not unless I'm triple bluffing. Or something.

Azealia of Willowbottom-no more than most, benefit wise. I supported her as a proven innocent.

Boromir88-in on way at all-I've repeatedly defended him

Dancing Spawn - to an extent. Never quite bought my theories (though those theories were, after all, wrong) and regarded me with a bit of suspicion. Maybe.

Eonwe -fits the bill in every way. I have attacked him and suspected him. This could be a perfect, if obvious, way to detract attention from me.

Gil-Galad -would probably like to lynch me, but wouldn't gain anything from it

Kitanna- I didn't rule her out before, so I cannot rule her out now.

Kuruharan-suspicious of my Marcolie pact. But I'm still reluctant to reciprocate that suspicion.

Lalaith- my closest supporter in deeds if not words; also loses from death of Celuien. Could be hiding behind me, conceivably.

Márcolië Lamen-Cleared-she'd come under fire as my erstwhile ally when storm clouds moved against me

the phantom- I, along with the majority, am far too intimidated to suspect him...

That makes my Unholy Trinity Eonwe, Gil-Galad, and Kitanna, with the first one much more likely, and Kuru and Spawn also quite possible. But I'll probably go after Eonwe.

[the phantom]

If you have any information you want to present before I vote, get it in within the next hour, because I'm going to have to vote in about 60 minutes.
That is a lot of ground to make up, and you had to assume that Wayne would vote for Gil-Galad. Even when Boromir88 voted for Wayne I still thought Gil-Galad would come out on top
Me too. That is one reason I am leaning towards voting for Gil today. It seems really odd, to me anyway, that someone in his position would get saved from lynching.

He was up for lynching on Day 1 and Day 2, so finding out he is a wolf would probably give us more information than anyone else. Anguirel is the only person besides Gil who has been a serious lynching candidate, but he was only on day one.

Feel free to introduce another suspect (eg Kitanna) into the mix, but I'm hoping that we will go ahead and get Gil today. Even if he is innocent, at least we will be able to stop wondering and really focus in on some theories.

We still have at least two chances to catch wolves after today- either two days of lynching, or if the Hunter is killed we will have one day of lynching plus the Hunter's shot.

With the list of suspects getting smaller every day, I am about 80% confident that even if Gil is not a wolf we will catch one tomorrow.

[Kitanna]

It seems now or never for me to cast my vote because I know there is no chance that I can get on until late.
++Kuru

I have no strong reason to vote for Kuru except he makes me completely uneasy. And I will admit part of it is his constant accusing of me. Yet when he does it he has twisted a few of my posts around making me look guilty. I also find it strange he waited so long to vote yesterday. Granted so did I, but classes tend to get in the way. But Kuru, I expected him to throw in a vote early in the day for myself since he seemed so certain I was some sort of wolf. That's my vote, those are my reason and I know I'm innocent and just as clueless as any other innocent.

[Kuruharan]

Well, my time of departure is drawing nigh. Thankfully, a few things have started happening. Unfortunately, Kitanna has not posted. The phantom may have a point about it just being time to get rid of Gil-Galad just to find out. I think if Gil-Galad is not a wolf that will put Kitanna back in the spotlight. However, we are running low on wiggle room here.

[Kuruharan]

Ahh...there she is. Unfortunately, her voting against me does not really help my decision making very much. However, I must ponder quickly.

[Boromir88]

Ok, so here's some further thoughts.

Through somep prior experiences, wolves typically like to do two things, divert and bandwagon.

1) Divert- usually do it with their votes, or with their kills at night. In voting of course, try to swing voting away from one person to another. Or, with their kills at night, trying to "frame" people or set others up. Of course they don't want to kill someone who has suspected them, so they kill someone who's said nothing about them and sets others up.

2) Bandwagon- the only problem with this one is that wolves are safe when bandwagonning. I doubt early in the game wolves would try to take control of the situation (that's why I doubt Kuru or phantom are wolves). Wolves like to bandwagon because it's safe, and it's very hard to distinguish a bandwagonning wolf from, and innocent who is convinced by the evidence and bandwagons. Perhaps later on when innocents to wolf ration gets slimmer wolves will start speaking out and trying to manipulate, but I doubt a wolf would try early on. Or atleast from my typical experience, the ones who are the more vocal and try to find the wolves, aren't wolves, because once people start realizing they're leading us into killing innocents they're screwed. So, typically in the beginning wolves like to lay low, and go along with the flow, until innocents start slimming out and then they strike.

Again, these are just ideas, and what I've noticed the typical wolf to do, doesn't mean Kuru or the phantom aren't wolves, but typically a wolf wouldn't jump out of the gates early and try to manipulate.

I will go through yesterday's voting, and lastnights kill, to see who fits these best.

Also, I agree with Eonwe, on the Gil situation. I think he's being sincere, and isn't a wolf, but it's still a lose lose situation. If we lynch him, our chances are he's another innocent bringing us down 7-3. If we don't lynch him the wolves aren't going to kill him, thing is if we do lynch him, a night will be wasted when we could try to find a wolf. This is again, assuming that he isn't a wolf, as I doubt from what he's said that he is a wolf. If he is pulling our leg, it's a cruel and mean thing to do, but I doubt he is, and think he's innocent.

If we keep putting of Gil, then the decision with what to do with him only gets harder, and I agree with phantom in that someone who causes so much confusion, the wolves wouldn't want to kill.

[Kuruharan]

I have to go now. I'm about as unsure now as I've ever been but I'm going to go ahead and vote...

++ KITANNA

...if for no other reason than I have suspected her for a long time and may as well do something to act on it.

Even so, I kind of wish something would happen to resolve our Gil situation. However, I'm afraid of "wasting" my vote on what seems like an easy choice everyone can bandwagon on.

Good luck to my fellow villagers!

[Anguirel]

Gil-Galad, my friends, is our town's Albatross.

He is noticeable, strange, and rather depressing.

However, killing him would just make things worse. I do not wish to wander the seas, or earth, or anywhere else, with the acrobat's corpse round my neck.

Now Eonwe, on the other hand, is a shark...so much so that I almost, as of reflex, plonked a ++ in that bracket...

[Boromir88]

Ok, so I know this has been posted but it's just to help clear out my thoughts. Here's the voting from yesterday...

Gil-Galad -> Gil-Galad
Eonwe -> Kuruharan
spawn -> Gil-Galad
Celuien -> Gil-Galad
Anguirel -> Celuien
the phantom -> WaynetheGoblin
Lalaith -> Celuien
Boromir88 -> Wayne
Kitanna -> Wayne [Gil 3, Wayne 3]
Wayne -> Gil-Galad
Márcolië Lamen-> WaynetheGoblin [Gil 4, Wayne 4]
Azaelia of Willowbottom-> WaynetheGoblin
Kuruharan -> WaynetheGoblin

I'm most likely going to vote for Gil-galad tonight. Though I don't think he's a wolf, the longer we keep him around the more troublesome he may become. Though if he turns out a wolf I would suggest looking at Kitanna and Marcolie very hard. They both voted for Wayne, tying the votes each time. Trying to divert suspicion away from Gil-galad? I admit, I think this theory only holds up if Gil-galad turns out to be a wolf.

I would also look at Azaelia, as she voted for Wayne putting him in the lead, again trying to divert attention away from a fellow wolf? So, if Gil turns out to be a wolf, I'd take a hard look at Azaelia. I disagree with phantom, and though Perky may have dreamed about her, I'm not taking anything for sure at this stage in the game.

I also said yesterday I would be looking at those who quickly jumped on against Gil-galad. If Gil-galad turns out to be innocent, I would turn my suspicion to Spawn, who quickly in voting yesterday jumped on.

I also think Lalaith's vote for Celiuen is a bandwagoning attempt on Anguirel. As far as I know (though I could be wrong) I don't think Lalaith was too suspicious of Celuien before she voted.

So, here's my thoughts...

Assuming Gil-galad gets lynched today...

If he turns out to be a wolf, look at Kitanna, Marcolie, and Azaelia.

If he turns out to be innocent, look at Spawn.

Whatever the case I think we should start looking more into Lalaith.

[Lalaith]

I was deciding whether vote for Gil or Kitanna, when something Kitanna said about Kuru struck a chord with me.
he has twisted a few of my posts around making me look guilty.

Tell me about it, love. :rolleyes:

So I'm going to vote ++GILGALAD

Kitanna, I'm still suspecting you, mind. But I'm going to think very hard about Kuru tomorrow too, if we all survive the night, that is.

Oh and Boro, I think you'll find Celuien was in my quartet of suspects early on in the day yesterday.

[Márcolië Lamen]

On the whole Gil issue, I still feel he is innocent....But he would be one of the few who'd attempt a bluff such as what he did.

As Anguriel has said Gil-Galad, my friends, is our town's Albatross.

I think this isn't exactly what he is, but an albatross is more likely than a wolf to me. At least now.

I think we have others I need to focus more on than Gil. Trying to logically figur e him out won't work. I'm not sure about him, but feel others are probably more worthy of our votes.

So Gil in all isn't useful to have here but a life we may be wasting...

I'll post more later, need to go feed my pet turtles now though.

[the phantom]

I'm really wrestling with this decision, but I have to make it now or not vote at all.

The way I see it, if we don't take care of Gil today he will once again be up for lynching the next day, the day after that, and then the day after that. So, he is a distraction to me, and also I'd feel like a fool if we don't lynch him and he turns out to be a wolf.

On the other hand, there are a couple of people who I might suspect more than him, since he hasn't really given me much to work with. In addition, it's possible that the wolves didn't try to save him yesterday because they figured he was a lost cause, thus his death wouldn't be as informative as we hope even if he is a wolf.

But, if he is a wolf he needs to be killed.

To be honest, I am a bit suspicious of most everyone and no one is firmly in the lead. Once we bag a wolf, my suspicion list will fall in line, but until then everyone is somewhat even in my mind, except Azalia who I still think the Seer dreamed of.

So, since no one is firmly in the lead, it makes sense to me to vote for someone who has been a prime lynching candidate in the past because, if he is a wolf, the voting might tell us who other wolves are.

So, here it goes-

+ + Gil

Don't let a double lynching happen.

[Eonwe]

i'm getting more and more confused. nothing seems to be adding up. ill prolly be waiting until near the last minute to vote, to see what develops. boromir has somewhat passified me, but i still can't let suspicion die. nothing has really changed with my opinion of the phantom and kuru, although nothing has really materialized against them.

this is Anguirel in 258

Now Eonwe, on the other hand, is a shark...so much so that I almost, as of reflex, plonked a ++ in that bracket...

im glad you didn't. could you tell me what makes me suspicios, maybe i can speak to it. all i have done is spoken and voted my mind.

Lalaith, could you tell me why you suspect gil and kitanna. and why you suspect gil more. just curious, of course.

i would really discourage voting gil, who i feel to be innocent. other than that, i don't really have much more to say. im feeling kind of torn in mind........

[Lalaith]

Just to keep track of things, and avoid a double lynching:

The votes as things stand -

Anguirel -1
Kuruharan -1
Kitanna -1
Gil-Galad -2

Five of us have voted. Six are still to vote.

[Anguirel]

My reasons for distrusting Eonwe-

1. Haven't forgiven that suspicious tie-forger

2. Haven't felt much weight in his contributions

3. Feel, based on our records, that he has most to gain from Celuien's death and my disgrace

4. Find his defence of Gil-Galad, which I agree with, a suspicious attempt to ingratiate

5. Know that if he's a wolf, I'll go from Gaurwaith to hero (Eru, I might even get de-outlawed and knighted!)

6. Know if he isn't a wolf, no one will want to lynch me-what wolf would be so stupid as to vote and put up a case for an alternative canditate with the innocent within their grasp?

7. For if Gil-Galad is no albatross, but a wolf, then I am the King at Nargothrond!

8. I appreciate the irony of Gil-Galad running after me and my defending him and running after Eonwe...

9. I seriously doubt anyone will back me up before it's too late so this will remain a fine, romantic, quixotic gesture

++EONWE

[Lalaith]

Eonwe, I don't know why you particularly want me to explain my vote rather than anyone else, but I don't mind explaining.
I am suspicious of what happened at the end of play last night.
Many of us villagers agree that Gil is causing confusion. Finding out whether Gil is innocent or guilty will solve many questions, particularly about yesterday's voting chaos.
I also thought I might vote for Kitanna because her actions during the voting were very suspicious. But I had a last-minute flash of empathy because she, like me, has been bullied by Kuru. I just hope I don't end up regretting my soft-heartedness.

Does that help?

Oh and vote update:

Anguirel -1
Kuruharan -1
Kitanna -1
Gil-Galad -2
Eonwe - 1

Six of us have voted. Five are still to vote.

[Eonwe]

Lalaith, thanks that does indeed help. i didn't have allot of time at the moment and only got around to the last couple posts. so im not just interested in your voting techniques, just all i had time to ask about. (now that you mention it, i might be able to conseed that some things will be cleared up about last Evening.) (and im glad i wasn't involved in that whole muck :) )

Anguirel:

1. Haven't forgiven that suspicious tie-forger

pure accident, i assure you. four minute earlier and i dont' think there would be a case against me on that count.

2. Haven't felt much weight in his contributions

umm....just speak my mind. and voted the same.

3. Feel, based on our records, that he has most to gain from Celuien's death and my disgrace

how so? i have had nothing against celuien ever. or you for that matter.

4. Find his defence of Gil-Galad, which I agree with, a suspicious attempt to ingratiate

not really. those are just my thoughts on the matter of gil.

6 and 7 have me a bit mistified though.

[Gil-Galad]

I myself am rather glad that you'll be voting me off, though i do agree it will be a waste seeing how i am Innocent, i kind of want the wolves to kill me off too incase i don't get lynched

[Boromir88]

I have been pretty much convinced by Gil-galad's words that he is innocent. I find this vote extremely difficult. Though, I'm not 100% sure, I've been pretty much lulled by his words that he's innocent.

Tough choice, if I vote for him and he turns out to be innocent, I have yet another innocent's blood on my hand. If he turns out to be a wolf, than Wooo! but I highly doubt this.

I don't want to vote anyone who already has been voted for (though one's probably a wolf), because of course, this might tie things, and with how slow it's been in here today I can't count on someone breaking the tie.

++Gil

Though I believe him when he says he's innocent, I agree with phantom that it will only be a cloud to have over our heads. That he may or may not be a wolf will keep on slipping in our minds if he stays around. Also, I'm still not 100% sure, and if we just let him hang around and he is a wolf we will feel stupid.

I think after today, if Gil is lynched than you should take into consideration what I said in this post by me...

If he turns out to be a wolf, look at Kitanna, Marcolie, and Azaelia.

If he turns out to be innocent, look at Spawn.
This of course I AM basing off the votes from yesterday by those who voted to tie things up with Gil and Wayne, and those who jumped to try a Gil-galad bandwagon.

[Eonwe]

list of votes so far:

gil -> Anguirel
Kitanna -> kuru
Kuruharan -> kitanna
Lalaith -> gil
the phantom -> gil
Anguirel -> eonwe
Boro -> gil

giving us:

anjuirel - 1
kuru -1
kitanna - 1
gil - 3
eonwe -1

giving us 7 of 11 votes; 4 left. hmmmm.....

this was for my good as much as anything :)

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Azealia of Willowbottom-in the fiasco, but not in the middle. Still hiding out. One of lesser suspision I guess...

I wish you wouldn't say "hiding out". This is the first chance I've had to get online. I have school. I'm a student. I am sometimes unable to post until now. Please don't hold it against me.

I don't think Gil is guilty either. Although I am rather confused and he hasn't been posting at all except to say that he is very busy, is depressed, and cannot play. I don't know if this is a wolf plot to keep himself as "innocent" in our minds or an innocent speaking the truth...or a combination of both.

[Eonwe]

yeah, im gonna have to vote fairly soon. hermmm....

im thinking of voting kuru, becuase that is what my heart tells me to do. ill prolly be back on in another 10-15 minutes to actually cast my ballot.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Uh-oh. I am doing that thing called "bandwagoning"...but I am definitely not a wolf because of it, Boromir. I still think I have an ok chance of having been the seer's dream (which you will find out if I am eaten/lynched later on, anyway).

I am also doing another suspicious thing: Changing my mind. I have been convinced (Mostly by Boromir and Phantom )after re-re-reading the thread that perhaps the way to go is to vote Gil. I agree that he isn't contributing at all (Or not anything particularly valuable), and that if we keep putting off lynching him, he's just going to come up again and again...If you think about it, if he's innocent, it's a perfect situation for the wolves: they've got someone they can hide behind because he'll come up over and over. If he's a wolf, it's a pretty good way of hiding, since all he'd be doing is going around and around in circles.

Therefore,
++Gil .

(Gee I might as well write "suspect me" all over my forehead, yes?)

[Eonwe]

++KURU it is.

now that i think of it, however, i can't really say gil ever gave a concrete reason for not being on (or did you gil?). if he did not, i think that i would have to rethink my "innocent" verdict. arrrhhhh, there are just too many ways to cut things!!!

[Márcolië Lamen]

Wow just got home.

++Kitanna

sorry Its so late and I haven't been on. Want to vote so I don't feel guilty and chose to avoid double lynching and for who is suspicious.

[wilwarin538]

Voting is now closed. Expect Gil's death soon.

[wilwarin538]

The villagers tied Gil's hands behind his back and started to lead him to the gallows. But Gil turned around quickly and yelled....

"Look, a distraction!!!"

All the villagers turned around but quickly realised that nothing was there. When they turned back the rope that had tied Gil's hands was on the ground, and he was gone. Suddenly he appeared on a roof top.

"Haha, suckers you'll never catch me! For I am the amazing Gil-Ga....well hello there...." he said, as he noticed how many females were in the crowd. He took a step forward to get near them, but he had forgotten where he was and fell off the roof.

Everyone ran over to the foot of the building and found him on the ground. He had fallen and broken his neck, he also hadn't transformed.

Another innocent was killed.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Anguirel
Azealia of Willowbottom
Boromir88
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
Kitanna
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
the phantom

Dead:
wilwarin538 (mod) - glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin (ord) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan (ord) - Also lynched by villagers on Day 1
The Perky Ent (seer) - eyes replaced by his own spices on Night 2
WaynetheGoblin(ord) - Coined by villagers on Day 2
Celuien(ord) - croked on Night 3
Gil-Galad(ord) - Fell of a roof top on Day 3

Score:
Villagers: 7
Werewolves: 3

It is now Night 4. I need names from everyone who needs to give me names. Please send them to both me and Alcarillo. He will be covering for me tomorrow. Thank you. Also,sorry about the shortness, not feeling very good today. :(

[Alcarillo]

Dawn with her rose-red fingers shone once more over Tinseltown. The villagers gathered in the village square to count their numbers.

"Where's Azaelia?" Said one.

It was true: Azaelia of Willowbottom was now a victim of the wolves. But where was her body?

The villagers searched every single building in Tinseltown, but still she could not be found.

Then one of them checked the port-a-potty on the edge of town. There she was, her dead corpse sitting on the toilet. The wolves were very cruel indeed to kill somebody and then prop up their body in such an undignified manner. But at least she was an ordinary villager, and not gifted.

The villagers once more returned to the town to continue their discussions.

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Living:

Anguirel

Boromir88
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
Kitanna
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
the phantom

Dead:
wilwarin538 (mod) - glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin (ord) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan (ord) - Also lynched by villagers on Day 1
The Perky Ent (seer) - eyes replaced by his own spices on Night 2
WaynetheGoblin(ord) - Coined by villagers on Day 2
Celuien(ord) - croked on Night 3
Gil-Galad(ord) - Fell of a roof top on Day 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (ord) – Killed and placed on toilet on Night 4

Score:
Villagers: 6
Werewolves: 3

Werewolves, stop PMing, and villagers, discuss!

[Eonwe]

well, seeing as everyone is being so quite, i will try to break the ice. i prolly won't have much to say though. :(

well, this hasn't helped matters much. the two people i was relatively sure were innocent killed off in short order. hopefully gil's innocence will tell us something about wolves and such. hopefully...

like i said, i dont' really have much to say. im still pretty much unopinionated, except taht i don't trust anyone anymore and still find certain people still suspicious. i think it is interesting to note that the people (for the most part) that have been lynched have been peole that i couldn't really get anything on. (wayne, gil, Celuien, Glirdan, to name most).

please no one lead a "lynch eonwe cause he's unhelpful" campaigne. i dont' think unhelpfulness has proved a good lipmus test on past subjects. maybe we should look at those that are leading us in our efforts...

on a side note, i have to work all day tomarrow and won't have access to ye olde net, so i won't be here to defend myself.

[the phantom]

I say it's about time we caught a wolf.

I certainly don't know where one is, but I have some ideas that may help everyone sort out their ideas.

First- werewolf voting strategy.

It is always good to have at least one wolf vote for another wolf at some point.

Every team of wolves (that I can remember seeing) employs this strategy. It's a useful one. You can only use words to distance yourself so much- votes count for more, so it is always a good idea for a wolf to vote for another wolf at some point. It gives the appearance of innocence after the wolf is found. And the thing is, you can't pick the wolf out and say "He voted for her to distance himself!" because if a wolf gets lynched then that means several villagers also voted for the wolf, so you can't tell the wolf apart.

So, as I said in one of my posts a couple days ago, there are certain times when it is smarter to vote for another wolf.

Let's look at Day 2-
Everyone who voted for Gil, Wayne, and Celuien was not a wolf voting for a wolf because those suspects were proven innocent.

The only person who received a vote who was not killed was Kuru. However, the vote cast for him by Eonwe was not cast at a very good time- it was right at the beginning. That doesn't seem like a safe time for a wolf to be tossing a vote onto another wolf.

So, let's move on to Day 3-
Anguirel, Kitanna, Eonwe, and Kuru all received votes and have not yet been found to be innocent. So- let's take a look.

Ang's vote was from an innocent, not a wolf, so that leaves that vote out.

Eonwe, as he did the day before, voted for Kuru. He also did it at a time when there was no chance of Kuru getting lynched because there was only one person left who could vote (technically two, but Spawn was not likely).

Now, this would be a great time for a wolf-wolf vote, BUT- Eonwe also voted for Kuru the day before at a time that wasn't very smart for a wolf-wolf vote, so though I could be wrong, Eonwe-Kuru probably isn't a wolf-wolf vote (and if it was, congratulations for fooling me).

Now, what about the Marc vote for Kitanna? It was cast at the end when there was no chance of Kitanna getting lynched. In addition, Kuru had been declaring a Marc-Kitanna wolf duo, so perhaps he was right and Marc's vote was an attempt to say "No, you're wrong- see, I even voted for her!"

So, the Marc-Kitanna vote is a possible wolf-wolf. We might get a chance today to see if Marc is still willing to vote for Kitanna when she is in actual peril.

Then, there's the Ang vote for Eonwe. It was a pretty safe bet that Gil was going to be lynched yesterday, so an early vote was not really as risky as usual.

However, Anguirel has succeeded on getting on my good side with flattery during this game so his vote somehow doesn't look as suspicious to me. :p

But I suppose that the Ang-Eonwe vote might've been a wolf-wolf vote.

Now, what about Kitanna's vote for Kuru and Kuru's vote for Kitanna?

As I said already, Gil's lynching was a good bet so it was safer than usual to cast an early vote, and to actually have two wolves vote for each other is the ultimate way of seperating.

We will see if the two suddenly back off of each other as the day moves along.

Now, about Gil's lynching- it was inevitable and my head is clearer for it, so it wasn't the worst thing that could've happened. Can we learn anything from it? Perhaps.

Since his lynching was so likely, the wolves had a golden opportunity to vote for someone other than Gil, and thus "throw away" their vote (am I using the term right, Kuru? :p ). Do you think they did? If so, how many of them? It's not as if the village needed help to lynch Gil. He was on the chopping block from the beginning.

Then again, there is always the bluff option of doing the exact opposite of what is expected, so who really knows?

I can't believe how silent it is today. Is anyone there? It's not very helpful to sit back until the end and suddenly cast votes without having accusations or defenses first.

Let's get some theories and such going, people.

[Kuruharan]

I'm beginning to wonder why Boromir88, the phantom, and myself have all survived this long. For me, it is truly something of a puzzle because I'm innocent and the wolves know it. Why wouldn't they want to get rid of me? Is it because I've been wrong about everything? I've seriously suspected (at some point or other) practically everybody but Boromir88, so at some point I must have suspected somebody who is guilty. On the other hand, have I been spared because I am such a promiscuous suspector? Or is it because I've been on the right track the whole time and they are afraid of killing me because it would point back to them?

I can readily think of a reason why both Boromir88 and the phantom would both still be alive...perhaps it is time I begin seriously suspecting Boromir88.

Anyway, I recall saying something at some point that if Gil-Galad was innocent we'd want to take a look at Kitanna. Perhaps we should follow the phantom's suggestion and endeavor to put both Kitanna and Marc on the spot today. Of course, if he is a wolf then he is probably trying bump off two more innocents.

Unfortunately, I'm not going to be around much toDAY. I have bigwigs in the theater and faire business to hob-nob with. I'll try to check in again in the morning and will probably have to vote then.

[the phantom]

I'm beginning to wonder why Boromir88, the phantom, and myself have all survived this long.
I have wondered when someone would ask this.

Here is a good reason why we may have survived this long (I'm assuming all three of us are innocent for this hypothesis)-

We are good thinkers and likely to be followed, and since we have yet to catch a wolf we have obviously been leading people wrong. We have pretty good powers of deduction, but we can't use them very well until at least one wolf has been found, so why would the wolves overly fear our powers of deduction at this point?

Also, the three of us (especially you and I, Kuru) are extremely likely to turn on each other when we keep surviving night after night. The wolves figure it is bound to happen- sort of like it is with SPM and I.

In truth, I suspect that you or Boro would've killed me by now if you were wolves, and you two probably suspect that I would've killed you by now if I was a wolf, and yet we are still likely to take a good shot at each other when it gets down to the final day or two, just because... I don't know. I guess just because that's what we do.

The wolves probably bet on us doing this, and now even if we are on the right track they can't just up and kill us all in the night now- it would take three nights to do it. Plus, it would clue everyone in on the fact that they had decided to kill us after all, meaning that we were getting close to the truth.

In addition, they might be afraid that one of us is the Hunter and would make an accurate kill. That is a very strong reason for them not to kill us.

Where is everyone else, though?

Come on, guys- let's hear your thoughts.

[Anguirel]

Well, we now have more proof that Azaelia was the Seer dream. I would say that this absolves the phantom from suspicion; I had been considering a phantom-azaelia wolf-pack should things have turned out differently tonight.

This means, Kuru, that I believe suspicion of him will be more sterile than ever. For now, I think we should listen, hear and obey...

Here's a new list.


Anguirel- I'm heartened to see no one really wants to hang me anymore. If I were you lot, though, I'd be rather suspicious that the wolves haven't killed me yet. But I can't help not being dead. Yet.

Boromir88-Something in Kuru's thesis, it must be said. This is the first day I've suspected him.

Dancing Spawn - implicated in the Gil-Galad fiasco. But can't help thinking she's too subtle to dirty her hands so obviously. Possible though.

Eonwe -has not proved his innocence one jot. Is still my highest suspect. Perhaps, perhaps, people will believe me today. That was no wolf-wolf vote-I'm after him, pure and simple.

Kitanna- Suspected by the phantom! She must be a wolf! Not implicated in Gil-Galad fiasco. Could be as wolfish as not.

Kuruharan-as he himself says, curious that he's still here. Is that a bit of double-bluffing? Still, some of what he says makes sense.

Lalaith- not much on her...inclined to trust her largely because...er...her name is pretty...

Márcolië Lamen-Possible, but as my ally I will not accuse her till we have some wolf-corpses elsewhere

the phantom- Cleared. Seriously, he's been right so far, and if he's a wolf he deserves the game...


That makes me highest triumvirate Eonwe, Boromir, and Kitanna...

Once again I will probably vote for Eonwe.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I'm sorry this is so rushed but I'm in a terrible haste right now. I'm sorry to say this but Boromir looks rather suspicious to me right now.

I think after today, if Gil is lynched than you should take into consideration what I said in this post by me...

If he turns out to be a wolf, look at Kitanna, Marcolie, and Azaelia.

If he turns out to be innocent, look at Spawn.
This of course I AM basing off the votes from yesterday by those who voted to tie things up with Gil and Wayne, and those who jumped to try a Gil-galad bandwagon.How is it better to be involved in Wayne bandwagon than Gil bandwagon?

Boromir is practically saying that Kitanna and Marcolie (his wolf fellows?) are innocent (theory proven by the death of Azaelia) and making me look guilty. I understand the suspicion but why to say it twice while he himself voted for an innocent?

I've had my suspicions about Marcolie and Kitanna before and here are some quotes that would support the theory of an alliance between Boromir, Kitanna & Marcolie All three aren't necessarily wolves. There might be two lycans in this trio who are just using the third one. Marcolie, I've found this alliance between Anguriel and Marcolie to be very disturbing. I think one is a wolf, the other is innocent.I doubt both are wolves because it would just be far to suspicious and leave them with no flexibility. I right now am more thinking Anguirel is the wolf because of the no voting from yesterday, and some more reasons I'll mention later. So, either Marcolie or Anguirel is a wolf who is trying to attach to an innocent, this "truce" gets me worried. I'm more inclined to believe Marcolie is the innocent one, but something I'll be watching.]
[QUOTE=Boromir]Kitanna, not sure what to think of her yet. She's kind of gone passed my radar which gets me suspicious and I will certainly be taking a closer look at her, though right now I have more strongly held suspicions.
Boromir88-Doesn't seem suspicious, if a wolf a talented one.
Kitanna- Very good at avoiding suspicion. I half need to cast suspision only for this carefulness. a little more suspicious, yet nothing really concrete or definite (#107) Kitanna, Lalaith, Celuien, Cailin, Azaelia, Marcolie
Least suspicious so far (#166) Boromir88, Kitanna, Kuruharan

[Lalaith]

Good morning villagers.
So poor Gil was innocent - but his death has at least made a few things clearer. Azaelia's death sadly tells me nothing - she was an obvious wolf target.
I've looked through what everyone's been saying and it seems Gil's death is not telling us the same things. His being innocent actually makes two of my chief suspects of yesterday, Kitanna and Marcolie look less suspicious to me, not more. They were clearly not trying to save a fellow wolf.
Kuru still looks suspicious, however.
I'm looking at everyone else again as well. There's Anguirel for example, who in post 251 names Gil as one of his "unholy triumvirate" and then a little bit later defends him to the hilt as an innocent. I don't really get his Eonwe obsession, either. Eonwe seems fairly blameless to me.

But I must go now, I will be back in about six or seven hours, (my) late afternoon, when hopefully more of you will be around.

[Anguirel]

Spawn's words-despite my not having cleared her-are rather convincing. Her triumvirate happens to coincide fairly nearly with mine, except that I, of course, am blinkered by my "Eonwe obsession..." and my Marcolie pact.

You see, if he had been innocent, I believe Eonwe would have bought it tonight. My last suspect, Celuien, was shredded the night after I voted for her; the fact that this did not recur with Eonwe's outwardly similar situation-lone vote, little support for campaign, off the wall choice-leads me to think that this time I've hit the mark.

The ease of getting me lynched that the death of Eonwe would have ensured would be far more valulable than the death of quiet Azaelia, who could always be dealt with later and was still suspected by those who distrusted the phantom's thesis.

Lalaith correctly identifies my inconsistency yesterday. All I can say is that "the old order changeth, yielding to the new"; Gil-Galad went from a wolf suspect, in my mind, to something approaching a proven innocent, in sharp contrast to Eonwe who only got more suspicious. Hence my "Albatross" appeal.

I'd be ready to compromise on Kitanna or Boromir to test Spawn's theory, though I'd still rather vote for Eonwe. Of Kitanna and Boromir, I now suspect Boromir more (yes, another change of my fickle mind); he's such an untouchable good fella, he's just bound to have fangs.

[Kuruharan]

the phantom- Cleared. Seriously, he's been right so far, and if he's a wolf he deserves the game...

Be ashamed to speak such heresy. He has not been right so far and he does not deserve to win. Are you and he in cahoots or something?

Anyway, I'm going to have to be leaving for the DAY in about an hour. I'm probably going to vote for Kitanna or Marcolie. Hopefully something will happen to guide my vote by then.

[Kitanna]

Once again I need to vote early or I'll never have a chance to vote.

++ Kuru

He's helpful and intelligent and wolves like to pick off intelligent helpful people yet he has survived. I also suspect phantom for this reason. Both have voted for innocents (whether the innocents were lynched or killed by wolves varies) but they remain untouched. And it seems wherever Kuru casts his supcious, an innocent dies. (the two C's, Gil, Wayne) Now they both seem to want to bring me down. Well I dare anyone in this village to vote for me. I will laugh if I die and then you can all see you've spilled some more innocent blood. Maybe then you'll decide to take a closer look at Kuru and phantom.

EDIT: Notice also that they were the only two to say "I figured Perky was our seer."

[Kuruharan]

And it seems wherever Kuru casts his supcious, an innocent dies. (the two C's, Gil, Wayne)

A gross exaggeration. And I wouldn't be so stupid to kill people that I have drawn attention to. And even though I voted for Wayne, I cannot recall that I was ever enthusiastic about killing him. Besides this tends to prove my innocence in that the wolves may be trying to set me up.

I'm going to vote for...

++ KITANNA

...if for no other reason that to just be consistent.

Good luck fellow villagers.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Uh, that theory of mine I posted above is really badly represented, sorry. Now that I have more time, I've found some more evidence and I try to explain it a little better.

Boromir, Marcolie & Kitanna have all suspected each other just in a way that they don't get each other lynched but also so that it isn't too obvious that they're in cahoots.

These are the votes from the day before yesterday:
Gil-Galad -> Gil-Galad
Eonwe -> Kuruharan
spawn -> Gil-Galad
Celuien -> Gil-Galad
Anguirel -> Celuien
the phantom -> WaynetheGoblin
Lalaith -> Celuien
Boromir88 -> Wayne
Kitanna -> Wayne [Gil 3, Wayne 3]
Wayne -> Gil-Galad
Márcolië Lamen-> WaynetheGoblin [Gil 4, Wayne 4]
Azaelia of Willowbottom-> WaynetheGoblin
Kuruharan -> WaynetheGoblin

Kitanna and Marcolie both made a tie with their votes. All three voted for Wayne. It was very handy to get rid of Wayne first because it was very probable that we'd like to lynch Gil the next day. So, there would be yet another day without catching a wolf.

Boromir made it really clear that he didn't believe that Gil was a wolf but he voted for Gil anyway. The day before Boromir said that those who jump on Gil bandwagon should be watced carefully yet he himself jumped on a Wayne bandwagon. I think that on that day Gil looked really suspicious. On the next day he said: I'm most likely going to vote for Gil-galad tonight. Though I don't think he's a wolf, the longer we keep him around the more troublesome he may become. Though if he turns out a wolf I would suggest looking at Kitanna and Marcolie very hard. They both voted for Wayne, tying the votes each time. Trying to divert suspicion away from Gil-galad? I admit, I think this theory only holds up if Gil-galad turns out to be a wolf. I took the liberty to bold a few things above that I consider to be very suspicious.
Lo and behold, Gil turned out to be an innocent! It must mean that Marcolie and Kitanna are as pure and innocent as the wind driven snow...

I also find this interesting:++ Kuru

He's helpful and intelligent and wolves like to pick off intelligent helpful people yet he has survived. I also suspect phantom for this reason. Both have voted for innocents (whether the innocents were lynched or killed by wolves varies) but they remain untouched. And why isn't Boromir on the list, if I may ask?

I'm beginning to wonder why Boromir88, the phantom, and myself have all survived this long. According to my theory: Boromir is a wolf and therefore hasn't been killed. According to phantom: Kuru and phantom will turn on each other -> much quarrelling -> we end up lynching innocents. And according to my theory again (I already said this in my previous post): Azaelia's death was supposed to prove Kitanna and/or Marcolie's innocence.

[Boromir88]

Well, I guess it's about time to say a few things...How quickly things can change.

I'm beginning to wonder why Boromir88, the phantom, and myself have all survived this long.~Kuru
I think since we haven't been right and are not pointing at the right people they have had not reason to kill us yet.

Also, it's much safer for a wolf to kill someone who doesn't say a whole lot. An innocent who sort of hangs around and doesn't leave a big trail to follow, if lets say myself would be killed by wolves people would immediately look as to who I was suspecting. It would be too dangerous for a wolf to kill someone who steps out and names suspects and if we haven't been right so far there is no reason to kill me. But, if we catch a wolf tonight I wouldn't doubt if I would be one of the considered people to go.

Boromir is practically saying that Kitanna and Marcolie (his wolf fellows?) are innocent (theory proven by the death of Azaelia) and making me look guilty. I understand the suspicion but why to say it twice while he himself voted for an innocent?~Spawn

No, you have misunderstood. As you can see I said...
This of course I AM basing off the votes from yesterday by those who voted to tie things up with Gil and Wayne, and those who jumped to try a Gil-galad bandwagon.
I'm not disregarding anyone as innocent. What I said about which way Gil turns up, who to look at, was based purely off voting patterns from the night before. How Kittana and Marcolie had tied votes possibly to try to save their fellow wolf, therefor I said if he turned out be a wolf look at those people.

You had quickly jumped on to Gil trying to get himself out of the game, and if he was innocent (which he was) I was beginning to look at you because of that.

Boromir, Marcolie & Kitanna have all suspected each other just in a way that they don't get each other lynched but also so that it isn't too obvious that they're in cahoots.~Spawn
On the contraire, no matter what turned out with Gil yesterday I'm still very suspicious of Kittana and Marcolie. Mostly Kittana right now as her early vote for Kuru still puzzles me.

Boromir made it really clear that he didn't believe that Gil was a wolf but he voted for Gil anyway.~Spawn
That was because (and I also said this many times making it clear) he would only be a benefit to the wolves. The wolves weren't going to kill him, he wasn't going to provide any help for us, the sooner we lynched him the better. The more and more days we let him get passed the lynchings he would only keep on popping up as a suspect, creating division in the voting and only being beneficial to the wolves. Also, if he turned out to be a wolf we would all feel very stupid. My thinking was the longer we waited to lynch Gil-galad the tougher a decision would be, and if we were going to do it (even if he was innocent) it was because it would be beneficial to the village. I wouldn't think wolves would kill someone who's not being any help to us, and keeps popping up day in and day out as a possible wolf.

More thoughts later, on who I want to view today.

[Anguirel]

If no one is behind my Eonwe campaign, than I shall, with reluctance, vote for Boromir tonight. But I really can't see why my arguments against him (Eonwe) are scarcely being even considered...

I fear death with every approaching eve. This could be my last chance to catch a villager I am convinced is a lycanthrope. Must I outline my denunciation more times?

Boromir speaks with the rational accent of one above reproach, and it can no longer quell my uneasiness; though there is something in his explanation of why the wolves aren't killing loudmouths.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

If no one is behind my Eonwe campaign, than I shall, with reluctance, vote for Boromir tonight.I have pondered this Eonwe thing for a couple of days and right now he seems sincere. But by all means, vote as you like. I for one will probably have to vote for Boromir if he can't convince me otherwise.

[the phantom]

If no one is behind my Eonwe campaign, than I shall, with reluctance, vote for Boromir tonight.
I hate to say it, Anguirel, but your vote yesterday for Eonwe was one of my possible wolf-for-wolf voting possibilities, and if you back off now and go after Boro who has come out of nowhere to become a lynching target suddenly- that looks a bit suspicious.

But, of course, if Boro turns out to be a wolf and Eonwe innocent then you'll look pretty smart.

I've got something I've got to do, but I'll be back as quick as I can to say more. If you don't have to vote right away, hold off until I'm back.

[Lalaith]

I'm sorry, fellow villagers. I realise that today is a really vital day for considered thought and careful voting, but real life events have conspired against me, I'm just grabbing a few seconds to come on here now. Having wanted to assess properly the post-Gil scenario, I now find I haven't the time to give all this the proper thought it deserves.
Anguirel, I'm kind of inclined to accept your explanations - for now. Like I said, I'm feeling more trusting to Kitanna, and Marcolie, too, I suppose, than yesterday. This new Boromir theory looks interesting but I just don't have the time to go back over the posts and so on to consider it, so I'll pass on that for now.
So, as I can't come back tonight, I'm going to go for
++Kuruharan
I'm not feeling as confident as I'd like about this and I really hope I'm not contributing to some new fiasco, but it's the best I can do.

[Anguirel]

phantom, I'm past caring about other people's scrutiny of my conduct, morals, and/or voting habits. The fact is, if we don't catch a wolf this evening we stand on the gibbet's very block. I'm not going to pussyfoot or politick; I will vote for anyone who fulfills these two criteria:

1. I believe they are a wolf

2. I think I can get them lynched

Eonwe currently fills 1, but not especially 2. Boromir fills 2, but not especially 1. Kuru does not fulfill 1 in the slightest and fulfills 2 to the extent that he's in danger whether I vote for him or not. What I do not want to happen is to be forced into voting for a lesser suspect to defend a believed innocent. I am determined that this evening's corpse must transform.

This means that I will hang on to Eonwe as long as his death is viable. I will vote for Boromir or possibly Kitanna if strong and trustworthy parties condemn them.

Oh, and phantom, please post your hinted words of wisdom...I am sorely in need of them. I must have more mulling-over matter...

EDIT: Note that for those villagers used to, er, living in the small island to the east, the Edain of the Brittirim, the sons of Arthu son of Uthu...you know what I'm driving at...the ones who like to insert "u"s into words like honour, valour and armour...well, for us lot, voting in an hour is not an early vote, but the latest possible. So I either get suspected for voting early or not at all, and I'm somewhat sick of it.

[the phantom]

Okay, I'm back.

Anguirel, here's what I have to say.

I said earlier that your vote for Eonwe yesterday was a pretty safe vote if you were both wolves because Gil was well on his way.

Now today, there is not a candidate that is quite so likely to win, therefore a vote for Eonwe early on would perhaps endanger him, and you indeed seem less willing to cast your vote for him. Are you looking for a way off of the Eonwe bus? Is he your wolf buddy?

Well, now that I've said that, I will also say that I have less suspicion of you than I have of Eonwe, so I won't be voting for you today.

I suspect Eonwe a bit for the double lynching on Day 1 (which may or may not have been an accident), I suspect him a bit for suspecting me who I know to be innocent, I suspect him a bit for gunning for Kuru who my head tells me is likely to be innocent, and I suspect him a bit for showing such restraint and not going after the person who is trying to get him lynched- Anguirel. His response to Ang seems a bit too cool-headed if you ask me. It's wolvishly cool.

So- I am behind your Eonwe campaign in the sense that I suspect him more than I do some others, but I also suspect you a bit. And though I enjoy your flattery quite a bit, it almost seems like the type of things a wolf would say to an innocent to try to 1) get on his good side so as not to be suspected, and 2) make sure that if he is killed that he is connected with an innocent so that the innocent will be lynched next.

My suspicions of the two of you are high enough that I'd be willing to bet a good little bit that at least one of you is a wolf.

But that doesn't mean I'll be voting for either of you since I suspect everyone else to some degree also. I'll be around for the rest of the day, so I'll make sure a double lynching doesn't happen.

Lalaith popped in and voted for Kuru. This was sort of expected seeing as she didn't seem to take his early finger pointing very well. One of them could be a wolf, but they aren't a pair of wolves. It's too dangerous for her to vote for him at this point if they're both wolves.

Kitanna and Kuru, in a repeat of yesterday, voted for each other. It would be the ultimate bluff if they are both wolves, but I don't see the need for them to have taken such a risk at this point. Only one of them is a wolf (or none- though I think one is likely).

Boromir has quickly found himself in the hot seat. My suspicion is always awakened when someone suddenly and unexpectedly moves into a perilous position, but I must admit that Spawn has made some good points, so it's hard to suspect her for what she's done.

I'm interested to see if Marc will still be willing to vote for Kitanna when she is in danger.

[Anguirel]

phantom, you are trying to goad me into charging ahead and voting for Eonwe, while refusing to back me with a vote yourself. If I were to be led down the path you advice, a wolf might be hung, but it would not be a wolf of my choosing...the wolves won't vote for their fellow-wolf, and those down in my book as non-wolves (as spawn now is) seem reluctant too.

You know, I suppose we are two proverbial hair's breadths from disaster, not one...there is still time to see if we can throw off our shackles. I am now, phantom, strongly tempted to vote for you; but I know it would trigger a Loudmouth War. I must hesitate.

I'm going to do some research in the, ah, village annals, and perfect a strategem.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

EDIT: Note that for those villagers used to, er, living in the small island to the east, the Edain of the Brittirim, the sons of Arthu son of Uthu...you know what I'm driving at...the ones who like to insert "u"s into words like honour, valour and armour...well, for us lot, voting in an hour is not an early vote, but the latest possible. So I either get suspected for voting early or not at all, and I'm somewhat sick of it. :D

Well, it's time for me to vote. Of the Kitanna, Boromir & Marcolie trio I'm most suspicious of Boromir and Marcolie. But is there any chance to get either of them lynched today? Will my vote be wasted if I vote one of them? I don't know. But as a stubborn person I must vote for

++BOROMIR

It's pity, though, that I can't stay up and wait to see some further thoughts from him.

[the phantom]

phantom, you are trying to goad me into charging ahead and voting for Eonwe
Yes, pretty much. I'm wondering if you are going to stick with what you believed yesterday.
while refusing to back me with a vote yourself
Can you blame me?

If it was between Eonwe and one of the people lower down my suspicion list (Kuru, Spawn, Boro, or you) then I would gladly give you my vote for Eonwe, but I think that, at this point, it is likely to be between Kitanna and Kuru, and my vote might be needed to break a tie. Plus, if Eonwe gets only our two votes and is not lynched, I might look like I was "throwing away" my vote.
If I were to be led down the path you advice, a wolf might be hung, but it would not be a wolf of my choosing...
Well, to that I would simply say "who cares?"

A wolf is a wolf. If a wolf ends up dead today, that's all that matters. I don't care which wolf. I'd settle for any wolf.

But anyway, the main reason I am unwilling to commit a vote to someone I suspect (Eonwe) is because I'm worried that I won't have my vote when I need it to break a double lynching.

Let me ask you, Ang, should I go ahead and vote for Eonwe right now and just hope and trust that other people won't cause a double lynching?

Are you willing to trust everyone else not to cause a double lynching?

[Anguirel]

Spawn, may you be thrice accursed if you have misled me in dark knowledge. The malediction of a Gaurwaith is everlasting, everhaunting, a glint of steel biting into the very stuff of your mind and thoughts, a malaise that seizes your limbs and saps your vigour. Let it be so, if you have played me false!

But if not, thou art holden blessed, and thy safe passage through the marches of the woods of my fellows shall be assured while I and thou breathe.

++BOROMIR88

If this be an ill choice, Eru allow that in it does not lie our destruction.

I'm wondering if you are going to stick with what you believed yesterday.

I believe it still. But it is true that I do not stick to it...already I am unsure...but what's done is done.

[Márcolië Lamen]

Sorry about not replying yet today. And I have to go write a paper now. I really feel either Kitanna or Kuruharan is a wolf, but I'm not sure which. Kitanna is my most suspicious. If I wouldn't be able to come back on then I'd vote now for her. However, I'll at least be able to come to vote. Can't promise more though.

[the phantom]

I'm glad I didn't cast my vote earlier- it may be needed.

Marc, Boromir, Eonwe, and I still have to vote.

Since Boromir is one of the front-runners, he will no doubt allow Marc and Eonwe to go first to see who he needs to vote for to save his skin, whether he is a wolf or not.

If Marc and Eonwe both vote for Kuru, then Boromir wouldn't have to vote to save himself and my vote would have no impact.

If Marc picks Kuru and Eonwe goes with Boromir then Boro would have little choice but to vote for Kuru, which would leave me in a position where the only way my vote would matter is if I voted for Boromir to force a double lynching- which I'm not going to do. Once again, my vote wouldn't be of use.

But if Marc votes for Kitanna, then my vote will probably be the tie-breaker.

One possibility after a Marc-Kit vote would be an Eonwe-Kuru vote, in which case Boro could stick his vote on top and put Kuru out of reach, or he could vote for Kitanna, which would force me to be the deciding vote between Kuru and Kitanna.

Or Eonwe could vote for Boro, in which case Boro would choose either Kitanna or Kuru to tie with himself, and once again I would be forced to break the tie.

In tie situations, I would lynch Kitanna before Boro, and Boro before Kuru.

So- now that the remaining voters know precisely what choice I will make at the end should it come down to me, let us see which path Marc, Eonwe, and Boromir choose.

[Boromir88]

This is a surprising change of events, one minute I'm village good guy next I'm wolf lynch me.

I guess I can't blame anyone, it's sorely gone wrong, and can't convince anyone of my inncocence, the best I could have done was give explanations as to what I mean and the way I act, but doesn't seem good enough for some people. My vote will be coming here.

[the phantom]

I just noticed this, by Eonwe-
on a side note, i have to work all day tomarrow and won't have access to ye olde net, so i won't be here to defend myself.
Does that mean he won't be here to vote?

[the phantom]

Marc, Boro, Eonwe- are you there?

I'm not going to vote now. Neither of the two in the lead (Kuru and Boro) are one of my top suspects, so I'm not about to break the tie by voting for one of them (unless I have to- in which case I would vote for Boro).

But I also don't want to vote for my suspect Kitanna, because if you guys don't cast your vote then I will have forced a three-way tie.

In the case of a three-way tie- who dies? What are the rules?

[Márcolië Lamen]

I'm here. I'm debating who to vote for. I would vote for Kitanna but that would make it a triple tie. Then one person would have a choice of who to kill. If I vote for one of the other ones it'd break the tie, but niether is the must suspicious to me...

[Boromir88]

Now, I'm here. I don't believe Kuru is a wolf, voting for myself is not an option. Voting for someone else will be wasting my vote, so I must trust to phantom or marcolie in breaking the tie...

++Kittana

The most wolfish one up there, her quick vote for Kuru I see as an attempt to start a bandwagon against him.

[Márcolië Lamen]

I'll break the triple tie and vote

++Kitanna

because all of today that'd have been my vote. It wasn't changed with today's actions.

[the phantom]

Sheesh :eek: - you guys were making me nervous. I was starting to get really paranoid about one of you waiting for me to vote and then stepping in to cause an "accidental" double lynch.

But it's settled now.

Just in case Eonwe shows up and tries to tie the score up-

+ + Kitanna

[the phantom]

Hunter and Ranger- good luck in your picks tonight.

[Márcolië Lamen]

Hunter and Ranger- good luck in your picks tonight.

These picks are going to be really important. Good luck.

[wilwarin538]

Voting is closed. Sorry its late, I lost track of time. Expect Kitanna's death soon.

[wilwarin538]

The villagers lead there newest suspect to the town square. All hoping they had cought a wolf.

She begged them to give her another chance. Insisting she was inocent, but they didn't believe her.

The rope was tied around her neck, and after a few more pleas(sp?) someone went towards the lever.

It was pulled and they heard the expected sickening crack of her innocent neck.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Anguirel
Boromir88
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
the phantom

Dead:
wilwarin538 (mod) - glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin (ord) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan (ord) - Also lynched by villagers on Day 1
The Perky Ent (seer) - eyes replaced by his own spices on Night 2
WaynetheGoblin(ord) - Coined by villagers on Day 2
Celuien(ord) - croked on Night 3
Gil-Galad(ord) - Fell of a roof top on Day 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (ord) – Killed and placed on toilet on Night 4
Kitanna(ord) - hung on Day 4

Score:
Villagers: 5
Werewolves: 3

I need a name fro the Wolvs, the Ranger and the Hunter. No need to send them to Alcarillo he won't be covering for me again till monday.

[wilwarin538]

(posting it early since the last one was late)

The villagers gathered in the town square as they did ever morning and looked to see who was missing.

But everyone was there. No one had died that night. The Ranger had guarded the right person.

The village started there discussions with hope in their hearts. The ranger smiled in silent victory. While the wolves scowled inside.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Anguirel
Boromir88
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
the phantom

Dead:
wilwarin538 (mod) - glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin (ord) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan (ord) - Also lynched by villagers on Day 1
The Perky Ent (seer) - eyes replaced by his own spices on Night 2
WaynetheGoblin(ord) - Coined by villagers on Day 2
Celuien(ord) - croked on Night 3
Gil-Galad(ord) - Fell of a roof top on Day 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (ord) – Killed and placed on toilet on Night 4
Kitanna(ord) - hung on Day 4

Score:
Villagers: 5
Werewolves: 3

Villagers you may speak. Werewolves stop PMing.

[Eonwe]

holy crap, it is quiet. firstly, nice job to the Ranger for keeping us shire-folk safe in the night. :D well done!

although i am not really up on the goings on of tinsletown (i hope to catch up promptly), i must say that kitanna was a very poor choice (hindsight is twenty twenty i guess) she was never really on my suspect list at all. i can't make out why she was lynched, unless...

im off to bed, see you tomarrow

[the phantom]

holy crap, it is quiet
Yes, indeed.

Methinks the wolves are feverishly reworking their strategies to adjust for their failed killing last night- and hoping that their reworked strategy will mesh with their wolf friends, seeing as they are not allowed to pm during the day.

But some of the members of the village (and the wolf-pack) are probably asleep. We are from a lot of different places around the world.
im off to bed
Me too. Perhaps it will not be so quiet eight hours from now.

I'll try to get up early enough to make at least one weighty post before I have to rush off to work.

Ranger- well done.

[Lalaith]

I logged on this morning thinking there'd be a whole bunch of things for me to read, I was a bit surprised when there were just two posts other than wilwa's....
But I was also surprised, in a very good way, that our Ranger had done his/her stuff. Bravo, sir/madam!

Now, as for suspects...I've decided to not trust anyone today. I'm puzzling together different wolf combinations, to see if they work, logically. (Although of course, it doesn't matter if I, or indeed anyone, can't come up with three wolves, because we only have to catch one.)
Anyway, more later.

[Anguirel]

I'm present and correct, but busy this morning...I'll contribute properly in about three hours...

[the phantom]

Well, I guess it's as difficult to post on Mondays for everyone else as it is for me.

I am off work at 3 PM EST, so you can expect me shortly after that.

Before I leave, I'll just say that I could make a case for any villager to be a wolf, and I imagine you can to. Right now, my suspects are, in order- Eonwe, Marc, Anguirel, Boromir, Lalaith, Spawn, and Kuru.

But every time I go back over the thread people change positions in my head, because I'll come up with some new theory.

If we can just catch one single wolf, I think that all of our suspicion lists will truly begin to take a well ordered shape.

I will see you in a few hours.

[Anguirel]

Right. Now to think.

The Ranger has bought us a little time, but the lynching of Kitanna presses us sorely. The stakes are high and we must make the right decision today. We have eight suspects, which means that each innocent has a 3/7 chance of choosing a wolf. (Y'see, chaps, I am properly educated! I can count, even if I am a no-good Gaurwaith.)

What I submit for the approval of the village is the following plan. The Ranger, alone of us, has a 1/2 chance of picking a wolf, because they know whoever they guarded last night is innocent. Should the village entreat the Ranger to come forward and name the person they saved?

On the plus side, this would mean all innocents had a 1/2 chance of choosing a wolf, and that we'd have two live proven innocents. We'd also have a long trail looking at those who suspected those innocents.

On the minus side, we'd still have a high chance of lynching an innocent and then the Ranger would be slain next night, leading to our irreversible defeat. (I checked the rules and I don't think that Rangers can guard themselves...correct me if I'm wrong.)

On consideration I think this is rather risky, but I would be interested in seeing your opinions on it as an idea.

Now, onto the suspects remaining-

Anguirel-I haven't voted for an innocent. Nor have I stuck to my guns. I know the phantom suspects me for the latter reason. However, I believe my defence of yesterday was adequate; my interest is in catching a viable wolf; and my point was proved yesterday, when the tide swung against me and an innocent was hanged. I am, however, suspicious due to the fact that Kitanna was high on my list, and accusation was implicit rather than actual. I can only say that I was impressed by the arguments of dancing spawn.

Boromir88-I voted for him yesterday, of course, also on spawn's counsel. I am now more unsure. The obvious innocence of Kitanna and my thoughts regarding Marcolie mean that he is now the only member of spawn's trio to still attract my suspicion. This rubbishes quite a lot of spawn's proposition. However, he's too unnervingly decent to be cleared.

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant-disseminated a lot of fascinating, powerful, and mistaken deduction. May not be her fault. Quite equally, maybe. Her vote for Boromir could have been wolf-for-wolf-conceivably-if she imagined I was set on voting for Eonwe.

Eonwe-the phantom's curious accusatory non-accusation makes my suspicions of Eonwe deeper. Didn't vote last night. May still be thought of as too risky by most of you. I may return to pursuing him; he's a bigger priority than Boro.

Kuruharan-the obvious scapegoat, with Marcolie, for Kitanna's downfall; too obvious, I think, to be a wolf. I still have faith in him.

Lalaith-Not much faith here, really. Some slight entente with Kitanna. Cleared Marcolie and Kitanna-both innocent in my view-while suspecting Boro a bit; rather an unusual step, as spawn's theory bound them together. Wolf-for-wolf? Could be. Befuddled innocence? Could be.

Márcolië Lamen-is going to need a lot of saving. Don't worry, m'dear, our pact still holds. Vote for Kitanna looks as though it was partly Kuru-influenced (fiery rhetoric, alas!) and partly to show credibility as a non-wolf and no part of spawn's proposed triad. Voting for her as a reaction to the Kitanna mistake would be really stupid of us...and pretty typical, too.

the phantom-if a wolf, then I would tend to partner him with Eonwe. More suspicious than Kuru. This is largely, admittedly, a defensive emotion and reaction; perhaps leave for now and go for cohorts.

Possible triumvirates-

Boro-Spawn-Lalaith

phantom-Spawn-Eonwe

Boro-phantom-Eonwe

and many more...

Tricky, tricky. The Ranger's revelations could turn on the light in this confused darkness, but could also be our undoing.

[Márcolië Lamen]

Good job ranger. You managed to keep an innocent alive.

In terms of suspects, I really don't know. It seems like whoever I start suspecting turns out to be an innocent. I won't give up though.

Looking through the list:

Anguirel-somehow has managed to keep out of lynching guilt.
Boromir88-
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant-Has been having mistaken logic, and strong and arguing it. I want a response from Spawn before making any decisions though
Eonwe-Almost playing the innocent newbie. Suspicious because of repeated suspisoin. Also because of easy partnership as others- mainly phantom
Kuruharan-Almost too obvious after Kitanna's lynching.
Lalaith-I've never completely trusted her. But nothing making her above the rest either.
Márcolië Lamen- I feel like my position now is not a good one for the village. I am in a extremely suspicoius position. Hopefully I can convince you of my innocence or at least of enough to stay alive and have better chance of catching a wolf.
the phantom-an easy position to influence others without being the obvious.


In general I really don't know who to be suspicious of. I'm afraid of making more mistakes.


We need to take advantage of the ranger's managing to save a villager, though.

[Kuruharan]

Hmm...I seem to have missed a lot while I was off schmoozing.

I have to admit to being a bit surprised that Kitanna was not a wolf. I was beginning to feel a little confident when I voted yesterDAY.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.

Unfortunately, I have to leave again for a little bit, but will be back in plenty of time to vote.

[Lalaith]

Hmmm, Anguirel, now you're doing the naughty twisting-people's-words thing - Kuru's speciality. I didn't say I suspected Boro, I said I didn't have time to look into the theory. And why should I have followed spawn's theory anyway? It was wrong, as we now know.

I'm still suspecting everyone, but Kuru remains my chief suspect. I'm still looking at possible wolf combos, when work allows, and will post more later. But a Kuru-Ang combo is looking one of the more appealing, I must say.

[Anguirel]

Oh Eru. phantom reciprocates my ire and distrust, and I've managed to antagonise Lalaith, very possibly needlessly...things are not going well. Besides, nobody seems terribly interested in the vast majority of what I had to say, specifically the more interesting first bit...anyone have any comments?

Re-reading the minutes of our village councils has swung me more towards spawn than Boromir-but like Marcolie, I will wait for her defence.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

It's interesting how most of you think that I'm mistaken really badly, manipulative and whatnot. I'm especially surprised by Anguirel's words...
Spawn, may you be thrice accursed if you have misled me in dark knowledge. The malediction of a Gaurwaith is everlasting, everhaunting, a glint of steel biting into the very stuff of your mind and thoughts, a malaise that seizes your limbs and saps your vigour. Let it be so, if you have played me false! ... considering that I had just said:
But by all means, vote as you like.

I also said that "all three aren't necessarily wolves. There might be two lycans in this trio who are just using the third one" and "of the Kitanna, Boromir & Marcolie trio I'm most suspicious of Boromir and Marcolie".

So, I haven't completely abandoned my theory yet but Anguirel's avoiding of responsibility makes me think... Speaking of which (thinking) I don't have much time right now and I want to take my time to ponder these things.

Oh, btw:
On the plus side, this would mean all innocents had a 1/2 chance of choosing a wolf, and that we'd have two live proven innocents. Three if the Ranger didn't protect the Hunter last night but anyway, they wouldn't be proven since we don't have our Seer anymore.

[Anguirel]

I'm beginning to fear a bandwagon developing against me...

They would be proven if the Ranger told the truth-a wolf isn't going to attack another wolf in the night, and there's no werebear here! And the Hunter shouldn't reveal themself because their death is of use to us, to put it bluntly. Still, thanks for your views on my idea; you're apparently the first to have noticed it...

Fair cop on my irresponsibility. But though you had not entreated me, I was aware that you had persuaded me, which can be far more dangerous, and I was, it's true, eager to escape the consequences of a possible mistake. Besides, I was trying to justify my vote to phantom. I do not relish the rope; too many of my comrades have been choked by it.

[Lalaith]

The Ranger idea was one I'd thought about, too. But perhaps the most relevant person hasn't shown up yet, or hasn't made up his or her mind. I think it should be the Ranger him/herself who decides what to do. It is as you say a risky scheme and one that needs careful thought.

[Anguirel]

Another way in which the Ranger revelation might help is that we'd be able to trust the words, and votes, of a few people and be less vulnerable to wolvish manipulation-a real danger now more than a third of us are wolves.

[Márcolië Lamen]

However, the wolves would also know who to attack.

Pros
two known innocents (plus self)
-no votes will be wasted on them
-nobody will resist their theories
-have better chance to find wolves

Cons
wolves know who the ranger is
-able to kill one who helps us villagers
-won't tell us anything with that kill

the chance before hand of getting a wolf is 3/8, of voting for a wolf is 3/7, and after is 3/6 for lynching and 3/5 for voting. All innocents will know they are wolves too...so they would have probability for them in the finding of a wolf. But is giving away the ranger who got us here and can keep us alive longer worse it?

Only the ranger should make the choice of giving up his or her live for the village though

[Anguirel]

I would be interested to see the phantom's view on this stratagem. It is the kind of cold, heartless, mathematical cunning which is so often his trademark.

[Anguirel]

Well, the phantom didn't-probably couldn't-take my hint to him to show up.

As it seems to me, the village's choice resembles the choice of Nargothrond after the coming of Turin.

Shall we keep quiet, stay as safe as we can, and trust to our Ranger's skill and our voters' lack of it? Eventually, that way lies our end; a slow, drawn out, ignominious demise. A poor death.

Or shall we grasp fate with both hands and challenge the wolves openly? It is very likely that in doing so, we go to our doom. But there is a chance of glorious victory; a larger one of glorious downfall, a tale that will be told around campfires to the sound of weeping and gasping, immortalised in song and in lament. Either way, I prefer it.

Mine is the choice of Turin, both the bitter and the bitter.

This werewolf cloak is genuine. This knife is Elven-crafted. It saved Marcolie Lamen's life last night, in a terrible battle with an unknown wolf.

I am the Ranger. Marcolie Lamen is innocent. Make of that what you will.

Innocents, please believe us at last. Rally to Marcolie and to me, in the last hours I have left with you before nightfall. Study our accusers and their motivations. Vote with us. And we may yet corner a wolf, and revive hope.

Day shall come again!

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I don't have anything interesting to say right now so here are yesterday's votes.

Kitanna -> Kuruharan
Kuru -> Kitanna
Lalaith -> Kuru
spawn -> Boromir
Anguirel -> Boromir
Boromir -> Kitanna
Márcolië -> Kitanna
phantom -> Kitanna

Eonwe didn't vote.

I can't see anything obviously suspicious in the votes except maybe Lalaith's vote for Kuru but I'm not very convinced.

You know, we have to catch a wolf today or we'll be dead tomorrow. Although I completely agree that it's the gifteds' choice wether to reveal themselves or not, a couple known innocents could be quite handy, that's all.

[Lalaith]

Well I think that was brave of you, Anguirel. And obviously, unless someone pops up to say the contrary, I have to believe you.
So, do you have any ideas about what to do?

[Boromir88]

I want to hear what Spawn has to say on her reason for this Boro-Kitanna-Marcolie trio.

At one point I was said to be one of the most innocent ones here, then the night of Gil-galads lynching, I said if he turned out to be innocent I want to look at Spawn, and suddenly I'm in this wolf trio? It seems to me that I may have finally stumbled upon a wolf and she has tried to turn the tables away from her. But, I'm not near ready to make a decision.

I also must begin to question Kuru's leadership. It's about time somebody steps up, it seems as if his "suspicions" have all led us astray. In the beginning he suspects Spawn and Lalaith, and for some reason he changes his suspicions and is was vocal in lynching Gil, Wayne, and Kitanna. I want to begin taking a serious look at Kuru, and his motives. Yes, he's wise and experienced, and I had not suspected him up until yesterday, he seems more so today with Kitanna's innocence, where exactly has he been leading us? Not to lynching the wolves that's for sure.

These were my thoughts coming in after yesterday, I'm home for the rest of the day so I can get more into things later. And congrats to our Ranger.

[Lalaith]

...oh and looking at those votes that spawn drew up, I will now concur that Eonwe's failure to vote is suspect. Kitanna, an innocent, was heading for the gallows, so his work here was done.

[Boromir88]

Oops, just saw Anguirel revealing his identity, I trust him.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I just saw Anguirel's post. That's very brave from you, sir.

So, what shall we do now?

Three of these people are wolves:

Kuru
Lalaith
spawn
Boromir
phantom
Eonwe

I know I'm not one so it narrows my list to:

Kuru
Lalaith
Boromir
phantom
Eonwe

If Marcolie isn't the Hunter but just an ordinary villager, and if the Hunter reveals him/herself, we have 3/4 chance to pick a wolf today!

edit: lots of cross posting...

[Anguirel]

Kuru -> Kitanna
Lalaith -> Kuru
spawn -> Boromir
Boromir -> Kitanna
phantom -> Kitanna
Eonwe-no vote

We now have to accept that out of these five, three are wolves. So I'm sorry if I ruffle anyone's feathers...or fur. At least my declaration means I don't have to tread lightly to avoid losing the support of true-hearted innocents because of capricious urges of self-defence. I know I have behaved in a similar way-notably with regard to the phantom-but we have no time for it now. Reason must rule all.

dancing spawn of ungoliant, you are, you have to admit, in an extremely suspect position. Your theory is in tatters, with two of its participants acknowledged innocents. You did not force me, but you did persuade me, to vote for Boromir. Much earlier on you accused Marcolie on a very flimsy basis-which I temporarily seconded in order to compromise Marcolie and gain her as an ally. You held suspicion against me for a long time, but so did many others, so that is pretty irrelevant.

Your voting list is helpful, though your vague attempt to implicate Lalaith could be wolfish. Your tone-as usual-has been impartial, quizzical and collected. You are an obvious option, I must admit. Rather damningly, you lately made the assertion that the Ranger's testimony would not produce proven innocence without a Seer's confirmation-which is, as long as you trust the Ranger, patently untrue.

EDIT: Your suggestion of revealing the Hunter-who may well be needed later-also looks wolfish. My only problem is that I like your style, and am squaring you as a wolf with real difficulty...


Eonwe, you look as dangerous as ever. Your failure to vote looks like an attempt at avoiding voting for an innocent. And if you knew Kitanna was innocent...well...

You are my two main suspects for the moment. I will analyse the others soon. I need a slight break; the transformation from outlaw to latter-day Turin Turambar is rather draining. Give me some whisky, Boromir, please...

EDIT: This business breaks the heart and destroys one's faith in human nature. Boromir, Lalaith, and spawn have all accepted and congratulated me. Yet at least one of them has to be a wolf. It's sickening. I'm almost glad the foul beasts will take me tonight.

[Márcolië Lamen]

Anguirel's move was a very brave one. Thank you for both saving me and sharing your role with the village so everyone knows innocent stature.

I am not the hunter, so if the hunter feels like reveiling self we'll know three innocents.

[Kuruharan]

is was vocal in lynching Gil, Wayne, and Kitanna.

Bzzzz! Wrong! I believe you had the honor of being one of the leading voices in lynching Wayne. I did not like the choice presented that DAY, but had to make sure there was no tie. Anybody who doubts me can please go back and read DAY TWO. You were at least as vocal against Gil-Galad as myself. And I did not vote for him on his death DAY.

For Kitanna I fully admit my role. But it seemed like a good choice at the time.

My suspicions of Boromir88 deepen.

[Kuruharan]

This business breaks the heart and destroys one's faith in human nature.

Then it has been a constructive experience. :p

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Boromir, I've said my reasons pretty clearly for my suspicions of you, Kitanna and Marcolie in my posts #284 and #290.

Anguirel, I believe you and I'm ready to follow any reasonable plan that you and Marcolie can provide. About this:Three if the Ranger didn't protect the Hunter last night but anyway, they wouldn't be proven since we don't have our Seer anymore. I was nit-picking (hence the use of italics). They aren't officially proven without the Seer but, of course, if two people step forth and claim to be the Ranger, it's obvious that one of them is a wolf.
You did not force me, but you did persuade me, to vote for BoromirUmm, how?

I'm glad to answer any other questions you want to ask me but remember that I don't have much time left before I have to vote. So, any plans?

[Márcolië Lamen]

Kuru -> Kitanna
Lalaith -> Kuru
spawn -> Boromir
Boromir -> Kitanna
phantom -> Kitanna
Eonwe-no vote


Looking at this list there is also two separate parts.

Kuru, Boromir, and phantom all voted for the one who was lynched. It would have been very risky for all three of them to be the wolves. I strongly suspect at least one of them is innocoent and at least one is guilty.

Of the non-Kitanna voters. I have to agree that Eonwe and the lack of vote is suspious. But also this would be very outright of a wolf. I still feel he is very suspcious though.

Lalaith and spawn both also had the ability to do a wolf-wolf vote depending on whether Boromir or Kuru is a wolf.

So I suspect highestly either

Eonwe-Lalaith-Boromir
or
Eonwe-Spawn-Kuru

currently.
But I reserve all right to change my suspicions at any point.

[Eonwe]

My reasons for distrusting Eonwe-

1. Haven't forgiven that suspicious tie-forger

2. Haven't felt much weight in his contributions

3. Feel, based on our records, that he has most to gain from Celuien's death and my disgrace

4. Find his defence of Gil-Galad, which I agree with, a suspicious attempt to ingratiate

5. Know that if he's a wolf, I'll go from Gaurwaith to hero (Eru, I might even get de-outlawed and knighted!)

6. Know if he isn't a wolf, no one will want to lynch me-what wolf would be so stupid as to vote and put up a case for an alternative canditate with the innocent within their grasp?

7. For if Gil-Galad is no albatross, but a wolf, then I am the King at Nargothrond!

8. I appreciate the irony of Gil-Galad running after me and my defending him and running after Eonwe...

9. I seriously doubt anyone will back me up before it's too late so this will remain a fine, romantic, quixotic gesture

#265

This, combined with my vote (lack of, that is) yesterday are pretty much all the evidence you have mustered against me. (am i right, or just overlooking something?)

well, my rebutal of the above aplicable reasons (267) still stands, i beleive (again, unless i have missed something, i haven't been on much, sorry, in the last 2-3 days). as for my not voting yesterday, you say i didn't vote because i didn't have to, an innocent was already being lynched, right. that makes no sense, because i would leave the very trail your ranger eyes picked up. why not just go on the safe side and vote kuru, or some other low number? that is what i would have done if i was a wolf. i am not, and didn't vote because i was away.

that said, it is time to turn my attention to who is a wolf...

[Eonwe]

well, that wasn't too difficult. i will stick with the theory i have had all along:

kuru, and boromir. i haven't drawn a bead on the other, although im tempted to say Lalaith (but i didn't, so don't say i did).

as leaders of the group, i have a sneaking suspicion as to why we have been persuaded to lynch only innocents so far.

Kuru, Boromir, and phantom all voted for the one who was lynched. It would have been very risky for all three of them to be the wolves. I strongly suspect at least one of them is innocoent and at least one is guilty.

Márcolië Lamen, in 344


i think that is exactly what is happening. boromir has been all about his "jumping out the gate" jazz. i have been suspecting kuru throughout. if a wolf trio were to pull desperate bluffs throughout the game, who would you suspect of being guilty. i think these two fit the bill perfectly. (although now that i think of it, spawn would fit more in the "desperate bluffers" catagory

one last point: we have five suspects:

Boromir88
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Kuruharan
Lalaith
the phantom

three of teh five are wolves. that means at least one of my trio is in fact a wolf.

one last thing: please, do not kill me. i don't really care if you had before, because innocents have to die to establish some points of reference. but you will all die if you do. don't say i didn't warn you. -please-

actually not :D this is the last: please enumerate your evidence against me. i don't hold with lynching people on "unhelpfulness". and i don't hold with cheating. and i was gone all day yesterday and had no time to vote. (i used this to defend two innocents, gil and zali. i would be the base master of treachury if i came out and lied about real life stuff. so my no vote yesterday cannot be held against me. that is all. don't kill me, and you won't kill yourselves....

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

10 minutes, guys... I really need to go soon.So I suspect highestly either

Eonwe-Lalaith-Boromir
or
Eonwe-Spawn-Kuru
So, voting Eonwe would be a pretty safe choice? I'm more inclined to believe that the first three are wolves [A) my Boro-Kitanna-Marcolie -theory wouldn't be completely wrong B) I'm not on that list which instantly makes it more correct than the second possible trio]

Tell me, whom shall I vote for?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Argh, sorry for the double. I didn't see Eonwe's post. one last thing: please, do not kill me. i don't really care if you had before, because innocents have to die to establish some points of reference. but you will all die if you do. don't say i didn't warn you. -please-This sounds sincere to me. Besides, same goes for me.

So, can I vote for Boromir? Please, say something soon or I can't vote at all.

[the phantom]

Post coming...

[Anguirel]

Now I am revealed, Eonwe, I can discuss another piece of evidence against you more openly-my theories, my guarding, and their results.

On the first night I chose to guard Boromir88, hoping that the wolves would not see what was to me a clear warning that Perky was the Seer-naming me as ranger, a sign which said "Guard me please", and which I rejected, hoping to guard him the night after. I had not voted that day, for reasons which I have described truly earlier.

On the second day I voted for Celuien but guarded the phantom. Celuien died. I was worried that the wolves had detected me on the basis of the Seer dream and were aiming where I would be least likely to guard. Perhaps they were, though if so I think I would be dead before now.

On the third night, having voted for Eonwe, I tested my theory by guarding him. Azaelia bought it instead. I was very glad; the wolves had fallen for phantom's distraction-dream. (Remembering this incident, the phantom becomes a far less likely wolf candidate, it must be admitted.)

And this, Eonwe, is also why I suspect you. I believe, had you been innocent, you ought to have died that night, not Azaelia. It's not foolproof, true, but it adds to the pile.

I've seen your defence, though, and it is good enough to make me pause. Momentarily.

The others:

Kuru -> Kitanna
Lalaith -> Kuru

The guilt of these two depends on Eonwe's, particularly Lalaith. Lalaith is more suspicious than Kuru, her rhetoric less blustering, her implications slyer and quieter. But she is a quiet, reasonable innocent too, in my experience. (She was a partner in "crime" some time ago, hem hem...)

Boromir -> Kitanna

Opinion swaying against him again. As Lalaith has become Eonwe's opposite, he has become spawn's. Each of my two major suspects therefore has a "foil". Interesting, and dangerous.

phantom -> Kitanna

On consideration, the decoy dream he advertised makes him unlikely. Possibly his suspicion of me was also protecting me. I will not vote for him.

This makes my most likely suspects-

spawn
Eonwe (good defence though, I'll have to think)
Boromir
Lalaith

with Kuru a possibility as well.

EDIT: spawn, vote away, but we'll still have to consider you, I'm afraid, despite the desperate need for unity.

I'm beginning to think the Hunter should come forward after all...

[Kuruharan]

...everyone suddenly notices that Kuruharan actually spends most of his time fiddling with battleaxes, crossbows, and tactical nuclear missiles.

[the phantom]

Wow. A lot has happened since I've been away.

Good job, Anguirel. Seeing as we are in desperate times, I would've come forward myself if I were in your shoes.

Unless someone comes forward and claims to be the Ranger, Anguirel and Marc are off my list.

Spawn- I don't know. She's flown under the radar most of the game and then jumped to the forefront of accusations yesterday. Is she a wolf making her move at the end?

Eonwe- He caused a Day 1 double lynching, but that could have been an accident. But more importantly, he has consistently been calling out Kuru, Boro, and I the entire game. Is that why we've been kept alive? With a wolf stirring up suspicion round after round then surely the village will eventually turn on us in fear. That said, perhaps Boro is Eonwe's partner. By lumping Boro with an innocent Kuru and I, perhaps the wolves figure if Boro dies then so do we, or if we die and are proved innocent then Boro might fall off of the radar. Also, I am amazed with the way Eonwe kept his cool and refrained from counter-attacking Anguirel. People who are entirely innocent usually don't act like that.

Boromir- For his possible wolfishness, see above. On the other hand I still think his sudden jump from not too guilty looking to lynching favorite might be a wolf plot, therefore I don't suspect him quite as much as Eonwe.

Lalaith- She's about the most under the radar person left. This makes me think that she might be a relatively quiet wolf, but at the same time she strikes me as an unsure innocent. Is it an act?

Kuru- On Day 1, he votes for Gil, who remains a strong suspect until lynched two days later, On Day 2, when Gil looks likely, he votes for Wayne, who dies. On Day 3, while Gil is busy getting lynched, Kuru sets up the next day's lynch victim- Kitanna. Also, all of the wolf kills thus far have been kills that didn't alter the course of the village. In other words, the wolves killed people who would not change suspicions, which would cause people who were set up the day before to move to the front of the lynch line. There is plenty of reason to suspect Kuru, however my gut tells me that he would have killed me by now if he was a wolf.

EDIT: I typed all that about Kuru before I saw he had come forward as the Hunter. I was right! He's not a wolf.

When it comes down to it, Eonwe is the most suspicious in my mind.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Thank you, Kuru, our chances just improved quite a bit. I think at least Lalaith & Boromir have to be wolves.
Spawn- I don't know. She's flown under the radar most of the game and then jumped to the forefront of accusations yesterday. Is she a wolf making her move at the end? I'm not. Believe me. If you lynch me, you will lynch an innocent. That's all I can say to defend myself.

I need to go now. Quickly, shall I vote or not?

[Anguirel]

Kuru, well done. Villagers, he can still be of use if you tactically lynch him to give him a chance of wolf-killing-only do it if you're desperate though.

Eonwe does smack of sincerity somehow, but Kuru's revelation makes him look pretty silly...as it does Lalaith.

spawn's slowness to vote (possible non-vote) is not a wolf scrabbling, manipulating and taking advantage of the situation. It might be a wolf lurking off, tail between legs. It might be a confused innocent. I lean towards the latter.

So I'm left primarily with Boromir and Lalaith-my two foil suspects. Intriguing. Of the two of them, I'm quicker to suspect Lalaith (sorry m'lady), very touchy whenever investigation neared her. I shall examine her and Boro's record in the secretary's minutes.

EDIT: dancing spawn, VOTE!

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

My "ten minutes" just became a half an hour...

++LALAITH

I just thought that it'd be my responsibility to vote. Do what you judge to be the best thing to do. Best of luck!!

[Kuruharan]

I don't get to kill anybody if I'm lynched.

[the phantom]

Lalaith?

She doesn't seem like the obvious suspect to me, but what do I know?

I, myself, would much rather vote for Eonwe or Boromir as laid out in my last post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=416737&postcount=352).

I thought I would be able to stick around until the end of lynching today, but I can't, so I'm going to have to cast my vote very very soon.

I trust Anguirel and Kuru, so if you want my vote to go a particular way- speak.

[Lalaith]

I for one prefer to wait and follow Anguirel's lead on the voting.
And while I now acknowledge my mistake going for Kuru yesterday, can I point out that innocents get it wrong too. We've all been getting it wrong, because we haven't killed a wolf yet. I can't really defend myself any more than that, because we've all been voting for innocents to die.

[Anguirel]

Really? The, er, town statutes have changed, evidently.

Anyone object if I follow dancing spawn of ungoliant and vote for Lalaith? I have half an hour before I must commend myself to Eru and the Gods, take confession, obtain absolution, draw my blade and wait for the wolves...

Actually, no, hang it, I trust the phantom more because of that blessed decoy dream...I'll vote for ++BOROMIR. We don't have such a long past together, and I feel happier about it, though Lalaith seems a bit more suspicious to me. Those who believe me, unite behind me if we are to beat the wolves. Wolves, unite behind me unless you wish to look stupid. Unless he's an innocent. In which case...oh, Orome take me. Good luck.

phantom, let Boromir be our compromise candidate. I started by guarding him, now I'm lynching him.

[the phantom]

Anyone object if I follow dancing spawn of ungoliant and vote for Lalaith?
Do what you want.

If it was entirely up to me I would vote for Eonwe (like I should've done yesterday).

If either you or Kuru decide to vote for Eonwe then I will follow with my vote, but if not- well, I'm not sure.

[Eonwe]

but Kuru's revelation makes him look pretty silly

that is does. :). i think i will make the most of a bad situation and stick with boromir as my surefire wolf. :)

Eonwe- He caused a Day 1 double lynching, but that could have been an accident. But more importantly, he has consistently been calling out Kuru, Boro, and I the entire game. Is that why we've been kept alive? With a wolf stirring up suspicion round after round then surely the village will eventually turn on us in fear. That said, perhaps Boro is Eonwe's partner. By lumping Boro with an innocent Kuru and I, perhaps the wolves figure if Boro dies then so do we, or if we die and are proved innocent then Boro might fall off of the radar. Also, I am amazed with the way Eonwe kept his cool and refrained from counter-attacking Anguirel. People who are entirely innocent usually don't act like that.

i've been voteing where my suspicions lie. and no one, except Lalaith, joined me in my voting for kuru. and it doesn't seem like anyone really picked up on you, phantom, as a result of my posts. as for the last two comments, i think i can explain myself very well. i don't really understand this whole thing of pointing fingers to get yourself off the hook. why would i cast suspicion on someone else (when in have no suspicion and no evidence) to same myself. that makes no sense. the point of the game is to lynch wolves. in the process you will lynch some innocents, but they will hopefully point you in the right direction. this tactic of redirecting suspicion doesn't make sense to me, unless you are a wolf. to be honest, phantom, im suprised that you of all people (known for logic as you are) would expect this of me. it doesn't make sense !! not to mention that i didn't think that the thing would really catch on (it didn't, for the most part), so i wasn't really conserned.

that said, i will prolly vote boromir, later in on in about ten minutes.


edit: cross posted with everyone from #355

[Kuruharan]

Actually, I would personally rather vote for Eonwe. He's the one responsible for that double lynch disaster on DAY ONE and has somehow avoided having his head broken for it.

However, at this point I'm not sure that is a good idea. There seems to be a Boromir88 bandwagon forming. Even Eonwe is joining the party.

I must go count votes.

[the phantom]

You know, on second thought I may vote for Eonwe whether or not anyone else says they are going to.

I am a bit more confident of him being a wolf than Boromir, and considerably more than Spawn or Lalaith, and the fact is, we NEED TO BE RIGHT!!!

RIGHT NOW!!!

If we don't catch a wolf then the wolves are GOING TO WIN!! Because they know exactly who to KILL TONIGHT!!!

It would be irresponsible of me not to vote for someone who I was fairly confident about.

Kuru and Ang- you have five minutes to sway me. Then I have to go.

[Eonwe]

did i miss something? ang is the ranger. is kuru the hunter? or did i make taht up? *suddenly confused***

[Eonwe]

phantom, you are completely correct. and we will lose if you vote me. take your second pick, please. that way, we have a whole day to hash this out. IF YOU KILL ME, YOU ALL DIE! vote wisely, and vote correctly, becuase you will be killed if you don't.

[Eonwe]

i need to leave like right now. phantom (and everyone else) please don't kill me. it is for your own good.

++Boromir

good luck all.

[Kuruharan]

Sorry phantom. I don't really know what to tell you. You should do what you think is best. Eonwe does seem more suspicious, but he has finally pulled out the "You'll be sorrrrry!" routine.

I'm probably not going to vote until after 5:30 CST, just to see what develops.

[the phantom]

Um...Kuru?

What do I do?

Bandwagon on Boromir, my second suspicion?

Vote for Eonwe, my first suspicion (for quite a while)?

I've got to leave really soon.

I'm already late.

[the phantom]

Just saw your post, Kuru. I will vote for Eonwe in 60 seconds unless you say otherwise.

[Kuruharan]

...of course, the fact that he is brining up the "You'll be sorrrry!!" routine now is also suspicious.

[Anguirel]

Bandwagon. There's a large chance you'll be right anyway. I think Boromir, Eonwe and Lalaith are wolves. Please, unite to avoid being outmanouevred...Eonwe is saving his skin temporarily...

EDIT: He used the you'll be sorry route in his defence before.

[the phantom]

+ + Eonwe

I've already given my reasons. If I'm right, then I say Boromir should probably go tomorrow.

If I'm wrong- well...

Good luck, everyone.

[Anguirel]

Now watch the wolves choose a third candidate and win...

[Kuruharan]

Be ye of good cheer. There are only three wolves (and one of them may already have voted). Boromir already has two votes. I won't allow a double lynching if I can help it. I'm pretty sure Marcolie will do the same. I'll vote for Boromir88 if I have to just to prevent a double lynching.

[Lalaith]

I'm back. My word, things are hotting up here.
I said before I'd follow Anguirel but now, mainly because I don't feel confident to cast any kind of casting vote, I've had a better and I hope more helpful idea.

Two proven innocents, Kuru and Marcolie are left to vote, so by voting for Eonwe I'll leave it up to them to decide who they think is definitely the wolf, Boro or Eonwe. That way, we avoid the risk of a double lynching (as Boro, who is still to vote, will not vote for himself whether he is innocent or a wolf)

++EONWE

[Boromir88]

Well what can I say, in my defense?

I don't think pleading my innocence will help me in anyway. All I have done has presented what my experiences with wolves be. There's that saying, do as the Romans do, but I urge don't do as the Romans do in Julius Caesar. Meaning have a brain and think for yourself.

If I am lynched today, my innocence will be revealed and I'm assuming there will be no tomorrow?

I tried, I said to seriously look at those who all of suddenly turned. I'm not convinced by Spawn, I think I was on to something when I suspected her as a wolf, really I see no other reason for me to be suspected as a wolf.

Would you say Kuru my suspicions for you are reasonable? I mean somebody needs to step up and say you've led everyone wrongly. I find it difficult to find faith in you since you turned around on your early suspicions and changed them to lynching innocents.

In response to what you said earlier, I clearly explained my reasons for voting for Gil. I explained why I voted for Kitanna yesterday, because one I'm not a wolf, and two I didn't think you were at the time. Though I'm more suspicious of you today (I think my vote will go to Eonwe because I find this bandwagon quite suspicious) and I accepted my blame in the lynching of Wayne. I regret it sorely, but again, my vote counts as one, not 6.

There you have it, I speak what I mean, I'm not feeding my readers with straw.

Edit: So, Kuru is the hunter? If that be the case, then I will scratch my suspicions on you. Before today, I had not doubted you, but after last voting I began to more because you seemed to not have been taking us anywhere, but if you're the hunter then I take back my suspicions...hopefully I have that right.

[Kuruharan]

Where is Marcolie?

[Márcolië Lamen]

Sorry, had a meeting I had to attend to and just got home.

I think Boromir, Eonwe and Lalaith are wolves.

I'd have to say the same.

Probably will vote for Eonwe for safety in numbers stuff.

[Márcolië Lamen]

I have to go eat so

++Eowne

May you prove to be furry.

[Kuruharan]

The time draweth nigh...I fear something unorthodox. I will refrain for a few more minutes.

[Boromir88]

I am more suspicious of Spawn at this moment, but I don't think Eonwe's explained why she's voted for me. It seems like a bandwagon attempt to get rid of one more innocent. But lets hope and take this one day at a time.

++Eonwe

Votes go...

Eonwe- 4
Boromir- 2
Lalaith- 1

[Kuruharan]

Hmm...I'd changed my mind and was thinking it might have been a good idea to try and stage a double lynching. However, since Boromir88 voted the expected way...I guess, for form's sake, I'll put this out of reach.

++ EONWE

[wilwarin538]

Sorry I'm late. (for explanation of my absence please refer to my ,ast post h=in the Taur-in-Gaurhoth thread.

Expect Eonwe's death soon.

[wilwarin538]

(since I have no idea what a boondock saint is, this will have nothing to do with Eonwe's career, I'm also guessing that you're a boy, sorry if thats wrong :rolleyes: )

The villagers agreed on Eonwe that day. They led him to the town square positive he was a wolf. As someone led him up to the gallows a villager yelled out:

"This is getting old. Why do always have to lynch them. He must be a wolf so why not kill him a different way then we usually would?"

Everyone agreed to this and starting shooting around ideas about how to lynch him.

"How about we be-head him? Just like he did to Wilwa!" someone shouted with a tear in his eye.

"Yeah make him pay for what he did, by making him live through the same thing."

Everyone agreed to this also. So they brought him to the other side of the town square where the guillotine(sp?) was located.

They put his head in place and someone went towards the lever. As they got ready to pull it they all expected a transformaton.

The blade fell.

No transformation.

They all stared at the head dreading what would happen that night.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Anguirel
Boromir88
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
the phantom

Dead:
wilwarin538 (mod) - glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin (ord) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan (ord) - Also lynched by villagers on Day 1
The Perky Ent (seer) - eyes replaced by his own spices on Night 2
WaynetheGoblin(ord) - Coined by villagers on Day 2
Celuien(ord) - croked on Night 3
Gil-Galad(ord) - Fell of a roof top on Day 3
Azaelia of Willowbottom (ord) – Killed and placed on toilet on Night 4
Kitanna(ord) - hung on Day 4
Eonwe(ord) - off with his head on Day 5

Score:
Villagers: 4
Werewolves: 3

I need a name from all who need to give me names. I will post the death once i get those names.

[wilwarin538]

The villagers gathered in the town square for what they were sure was the last time. They looked around and noticed that it was Marcolie Lamen who was missing.

They decided not to go to her(?) house. Three of them were about to be killed, why put themselves through having to see another dead friend?

The last six stood around in a circle, waiting for the wolves to transform. Kuruharon and Anguirel had taken off their cloaks reveiling their weapons and armour. Both of them ready to protect and fight.

Dancing Spawn just stood there.

The phantom, Boromir88 and Lalaith started to laugh.

"This was great!" phantom said with a grin. "You guys had both your hunter and guardian and still lost."

"Path......etic" Lalaith said giggling furiously.

"Well, Tinseltown is ours now." Boromir said starting to get a little more serious.

They transformed. Kuru and Anguirel did their best to try to protect Spawn, their final villager, but the wolves were to strong.

Tinseltown had gone from 17 to 3.

From the town of Tinsel to the town of Wolves.

WEREWOLVES WIN!!!

[wilwarin538]

Seer(Perky) Dreams:
Azealia of Willowbottom
the phantom

Ranger(Anguirel):
Boromir88
the phantom
Eonwe
Marcolie Lamen
Lalaith

Hunter(Kuru):
Lalaith
the phantom
Kitanna
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Boromir88

The cursed villager was Kitanna.

Congratulations to the Wolves! Everyone played well. ;)

[the phantom]

I'll be doing my usual post game summary sometime tomorrow. But for now, let me just say...

MWU HA HA HA HA HA!!!

[Anguirel]

I knew who you wolves were the moment you bandwaggoned Eonwe, disobeying my order to bandwagon Boro...argh...

Well, I can't say I didn't do my best. phantom, your decoy dream advertisement about Azaelia saved your wolf hide last night...

What?? It wasn't a decoy dream? Hmmm...

[The Perky Ent]

*EXHALE*

PHANTOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have no idea how angry I got when you killed me! I had everything worked out after I knew you were a wolf. The day after my dream, I would get you lynched, revealing my position. I'd have to trust that the ranger did his job and protected me. That night, I was going to dream about Boromir (because he was on the top of my suspicions) and then get him lynched the next day. 2 werewolves would be dead!. But I guess that's what I get for being so obvious about being the seer. With all my 'gut feelings' and all that. But (And I think i'll take the time to look for it later) , there were so many places where it was dead obvious that the phantom was a werewolf. From his very first post, where he says he's going from village to village running from the wolves. Anyone stop to think that he could be the person he keeps running from? Mr. Hide, anyone?

Not to mention constant mentions of 'Why haven't Kuruharan, phantom, and Boromir been lynched yet' . It seems the phantom is a wight indeed, as he has seduced the minds of the people. Boromir as well. Both made it clear that they would be running the show, and that they shouldn't be lynched because they're the thinkers. I think they're wearing my "I'm a Werewolf! Lynch me please!" under their vests". Lailath was never on my suspicions list. I tip my hat to you, for flying under my radar. But Boromir and Phantom, I don't think you did the good job Lailath did. You guys just mezmerized the town into not lynching you!

But...what's done is done. I hope WWXI comes swiftly, for I intend on joining

Cheers,

~*~ The Perky Ent ~*~

:smokin:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well done! Possibly the greatest team performance by the wolves in any game. Absolutely brilliant. :)

[Márcolië Lamen]

Well played everyone, and congratulations to the werewolves. We should have known earlier looking back, but hindsight is always 20-20.

Two games in a row where the wolves have won without losing a member. Wow.

[wilwarin538]

The most successful — and probably the greatest — team performance by the wolves in any game. Absolutely brilliant.

What about my last game Eomer? I believe all three of us survived till the end also. :p Just kidding. I do agree. This game was very well played. :D I had a lot of fun.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'll edit that to 'possibly'. Must admit to not following the last game. :o

[Glirdan]

Wow, good game. I never expected those threem seriously. Good job Wolves. And great modding Wilwa!! Now to plan for the WW Junior..

*Runs off and starts planning*

[The Perky Ent]

Yes, great job indeed, Wilwarin! You've been very creative in the ways of the deaths. You deserve a cookie. :cool:

[wilwarin538]

Thanks, I love cookies. Aslong as its free of coconut. :D

I would like to thank Firefoot. She gave me a few tips before I started. ;)

[Boromir88]

Woo, I was feeling the heat the last couple days, but managed to pull it off. Of course my plans were foiled when Anguirel successfully guarded Marcolie, but were able to pull it off, plenty of thanks to phantom and Lalaith, excellent wolf partners.

Perky, I hope you enjoyed your fist game. Yes we caught some of the clues like "mirage" and "meditate," but it wasn't to your advantage that two wolves (myself and phantom) were ex-seers that had to leave clues of our owns, so I think we noticed it easier. Hope you play again.

wilwarin, my hats off to your modding. I enjoyed this one thorougly.

[Celuien]

Impressive game, Boro, phantom, and Lalaith! Congratulations on your victory.

I wanted to throw something at the computer screen when Kuru revealed he was the Hunter. I was divided between tp being the Hunter after he posted all of those arrow icons and said so much about fighting or a wolf after the first two days (the reason I didn't want to accuse him just then). Once Kuru revealed his role, that settled things in a hurry.

Since a frog in my throat prevented me from using my DAY 3 post, here it is now. It took too many hours to write for me to simply consign to the Recycle Bin without giving it one airing. :p


Day 3:

Starting with a summary of yesterDAY’s vote:

1) Gil-Galad……………………Gil-Galad (1)
2) Eonwe………………………Kuru (1)
3) Dancing Spawn……………Gil-Galad (2)
4) Celuien………………………Gil-Galad (3)
5) Anguirel……………………Celuien (1)
6) the phantom…………………Wayne (1)
7) Lalaith………………………Celuien (2)
8) Boromir88……………………Wayne (2)
9) Kitanna………………………Wayne (3)
10) WaynetheGoblin……………Gil-Galad (4)
11) Márcolië Lamen……………Wayne (4)
12) Azaelia……………………Wayne (5)
13) Kuruharan …………………Wayne (6)

After the long discussion of ties and tie breaking, I think that it would have been fairly risky for any wolf to attempt to cause a double lynch yesterday as it would have been the best possible way to draw attention. For that reason, I’m removing Márcolië and Kitanna from particular scrutiny today – they were the only voters other than the unfortunate Wayne who came close to causing a tie.

Again, Kuru looks innocent to me – he’s only offered helpful information and worked pretty hard yesterday to keep the vote from ending in a tie.

Continuing the dialogue with Anguirel:

This is going to sound strange, but I’m now almost completely convinced that you are not a wolf. The statement is in no way meant to try and buy favor from you – it’s just what I think. Even more off the wall and at risk of sounding arrogant, I’m going to say that it was your late swing in my direction that finally convinced me. Why? I can see how I looked suspicious yesterday. At the same time, I don’t think I’m a good target for a real wolf to lead a charge against. Now that the Seer is gone, only the wolves know that I’m an innocent. And quite honestly, if I had been lynched yesterday and my completely ordinary status revealed, the future wouldn’t have looked promising for whoever lead the offensive to kill off an innocent villager who had been doing her best to help with theories and strategy. Especially if said leader had been under suspicion from several villagers (including me) as you were yesterday. An innocent with no way of really knowing that I’m not a wolf could reasonably lead the charge. But a wolf who knows that I’m not one of them I think would find me too dangerous to attack directly. However, hopping onto a “lynch Celuien” bandwagon lead by a suspicious villager might just be the perfect place for a wolf who could then turn against you the next day, point out that you lead the charge against a helpful innocent, and then make you the leading candidate for the next round of voting. So, I’ll finally join Kuru in bringing Lalaith onto my high suspect list.

And about your specific complaints against me: as far as I can see, you have three main points:
1) My first post yesterday came at a strategic moment. Yes, it did. On the first day, I drew suspicion for sounding too similar to other vocal villagers. I can’t help it if I think along the same lines as them, so I decided to preempt that accusation by having a post ready early. Who says that wolves are the only ones allowed to have a strategy when they post?
2) I offered to join the temporary alliance with you although the comment wasn’t directed at me. I already addressed this yesterday, but I’ll say it again. You were on my high suspicion list while the conversation with Márcolië was taking place. I thought it would be a good opportunity to extend an olive branch since the conversation addressed my concerns as well. Besides, you said you were in need of plural ALLIES, not AN ally, so I thought that the request could just as easily have been made to all who suspected you as to Márcolië only.
3) I made a mistake when misinterpreting Perky’s post. I knew this would probably come up when the error was pointed out. All I can say is that it was an honest mistake. But frankly, I think the mistake points more toward my innocence than anything else. It’s such a blatant error that a wolf could NOT afford to make it, either as a simple mistake or as a means of misleading the village. At least, a smart wolf would never do so. It’s too obvious a point to give up for analysis. And I’m not that stupid. Really.
4) I’m defensive. Of course I am. I’m innocent and I’d rather not die. It’s as simple as that.

Carefully watching Lalaith today...



Again, great game. :)

[WaynetheGoblin]

The warewolfs in the past 2 games played great.

[Eonwe]

well done indeed. i have to say, kuru, boromir and the phantom were my primary suspects througout the game. but the phantom assuaged me at the very last. lalaith i didn't even think about the whole game through, although my final list (after i died) was boromir, spawn and lalaith.

good job. i hate all you wolves! :D just kidding of course.

i think maybe i should have started out on the junior one (but it didn't exist at the time). it was a ton of fun though!

[Lalaith]

My goodness, I was nervous that last evening...it could have gone either way, with three known innocents and Boro dead, we would have had a very hard time clawing back. I knew my number would be up the next day, too.
I'd never been a wolf before and I didn't think I'd last five minutes, actually. The boys were great though, they spotted the Seer the first day, I had nothing to do with that. It was fun to watch masters at work...and that means the villagers too, there was some great game play on both sides, that last day especially.

[The Saucepan Man]

Wow! Good game folks. It was like reading a detective novel as it was being written.

Only one with a sad ending ... :(

Seriously though, good job Wolves! Although I am seriously miffed that the phantom was a Wolf and on the winning team. As if his head wasn't big enough already! It pains me to say it, but he had me convinced. I thought Kuru was a Wolf until the last few posts (although it is traditional for me to always suspect Kuru :D ). Like Celuin, I thought that tp was the Hunter. :rolleyes:

Good work, Lalaith and Boro too. Although I was practically screaming at the screen: "No! Don't lynch Eonwe! He's clearly innocent! Lynch Boro!" at the end there.

And nice work, Anguirel, revealing yourself there. Although it was pretty clear to me that you were the Ranger from the moment you raised the question, and then pressed it so doggedly.

Great game, and many congrats to wilwa (and Alc) for an excellent modding job. It was so compelling that I even had to tune in on dial-up while I was away on my trip.

[The Saucepan Man]

Of course, but for the no more than two lynchings rule, the Villagers could have instigated a mass vote and won at the end there. :p :D

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Terriffic! I am surprised that
a. I actually was the seer's dream and
b. That I actually lasted as long as I did.

Phantom, Lalaith, and Boromir, well played!! Why did you keep me alive for so long? I figured that once it was evident that I was a dream and innocent, I would be long gone! After all, my death would have revealed pretty much nothing. Other than that I was innocent!

:D

Hope to see you all in WWXI or, if I don't make it into that, WWXII!

[The Perky Ent]

Terriffic! I am surprised that
a. I actually was the seer's dream and



Hehe you're welcome! I wasn't really thinking about thing likes 'Who would Wilwarin pick to be what' because she picked who the people were randomly. It was just an enie-menie-miney-mo sort of thing. I would like to see the wolves reasons for killing who they did. After all, if i'm giving these huge hings like "I have an inner feeling that Azalea is innocent", and you later find out that i'm the seer, and Phantom is the one who points it out in the first place, why did they kill Azalea? I guess I'll just have to ask the wolves

[Márcolië Lamen]

Terriffic! I am surprised that...
b. That I actually lasted as long as I did.

I would like to know that too. My only idea is of you being guarded and wasting a night, or likewise, hoping you'd be protected and so would have no chance at losing a night's killing because of that.

Then again, I think as we're playing its normal to expect your death before it came. I often expected to die from one hand or another and it didn't come until the last night...

[Boromir88]

In the beginning I was cracking up how everyone seemed to take me so innocent, I just want to burst out and say I got you! I got too careless towards the end I think, hence why suspicions arose, but...go wolves!

[the phantom]

Does everyone like our matching sigs? :p
Why did you keep me alive for so long?
I would like to see the wolves reasons for killing who they did.
I actually answered that question somewhat during the game. Remember when I said this yesterday-
Also, all of the wolf kills thus far have been kills that didn't alter the course of the village. In other words, the wolves killed people who would not change suspicions, which would cause people who were set up the day before to move to the front of the lynch line.
I actually came right out during the game and said why my wolf friends and I had been killing certain people- I just didn't mention that I was one of the wolves. ;)

But, I will give a much much much much more complete answer to this, and all other questions in my post game summary, which I will complete sometime late late tonight or tomorrow afternoon. I will post a link to it on this thread. As usual, I will include excerpts from pms that I exchanged with my fellow wolves.

[The Perky Ent]

Je n'aime pas ton nom (because I don't know how to say signature)! C'est tres mal! Phantom, tu es tres merchant! :mad:

[the phantom]

I get the gist of what you are saying, but-
merchant
??

Not in my dictionary.

[Kuruharan]

Congratulations to the werewolves! That was a right thrashing and no mistake!

I’d wondered about a Boromir88/phantom alliance a couple of times, but I never said anything because I didn’t think anybody would believe me.

although it is traditional for me to always suspect Kuru

You see, this is a problem the village traditionally has anytime I play a game. You people really need to break that habit. It is extremely counterproductive.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I knew that there was something wrong with Boromir! This is so infuriating.

*sigh* Oh well, very nice, Wolves, congratulations! This was an excellent game! :D

Wilwa, thanks for modding, you did great job!

[Lalaith]

It seems shockingly inappropriate that my lifestyle of death-dealing and deception should have earned me a welcome at Aragorn's court...

[Cailín]

Great game! Guess it was a good thing I got lynched the first day, for it turned out I hardly had time to visit the Downs... But, I was still reading along of course.

I cannot believe how no one suspected the phantom. He sure has a way to manipulate people... ;) From the start of day one he had already made himself unlynchable.

Well played, wolves!

[Eonwe]

by the way, how ended up being cursed?

[Kitanna]

Well that was fun...very well played on the wolves part.

And Wilwa, great job modding.

[The Perky Ent]

I get the gist of what you are saying, but-
merchant? Not in my dictionary

No, you wouldn't! Unless it happened to be a french dictionary for the gramatically impaired!

[the phantom]

Unless it happened to be a french dictionary
I'm well aware that what you said was in French. As I told you, I knew pretty much what you were saying- until "merchant". It is not in my French dictionary, and every online translator I have gone to does not seem willing to accept it as an actual word.

And so, I ask once again- "merchant"??

Surely you are willing to do me the simple courtesy of translating one single word. After all, you are the one that chose not to post in English- the language that everyone here can read somewhat.

[Anguirel]

He's probably typo'd mechant-naughty.

[wilwarin538]

by the way, how ended up being cursed?

It was Kitanna.

Phantom I pretty sure he meant "mechant" which is "mean" as in not nice. :p

[Lalaith]

I was wondering about The Cursed Villager: have we had a game yet where the wolves successfully found and converted one to their number? It hasn't happened in any of the games I've played in or followed, but I haven't followed all ten.
(I was going to ask this on the admin thread but Saucie said it was supposed to go quiet and I wouldn't dream of disobeying him...)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I think Sono was the converted cursed once upon a time. WWII?

[Lalaith]

I've just been to look, you're right, Sono was converted but only at the end when the surviving wolves (spawn and phantom) had already won.

[The Saucepan Man]

I've just been to look, you're right, Sono was converted but only at the end when the surviving wolves (spawn and phantom) had already won.Yes, it was purely for storyline purposes. BW, the Hunter, and SoNo, the Cursed, were the only surviving Villagers, so I used their roles in the concluding vignette.

[the phantom]

Yes, it was purely for storyline purposes. BW, the Hunter, and SoNo, the Cursed, were the only surviving Villagers, so I used their roles in the concluding vignette.
*sigh*

I have very fond memories of that game.

[Lalaith]

Still...that does mean that we haven't yet had a game where the werewolves were able to make use of the cursed villager.

[the phantom]

*the phantom stumbles into the room looking half asleep, or perhaps half dead*

I've finished my WEREWOLF X SUMMARY (http://www.freewebs.com/phantombarrowdowns/werewolf.htm)!!!

There are probably spelling and grammatical errors as well as a few things that don't make sense, but I really don't care right now. It's after 2:00 AM and I didn't sleep much last night.

*the phantom falls to the floor, fast asleep*

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I have very fond memories of that game.Me too. Besides, it was my first Werewolf game ever. :)
Still...that does mean that we haven't yet had a game where the werewolves were able to make use of the cursed villager. It would be really cool to play in a game where that actually happens. Or better yet, to be that cursed villager. But in case the wolves found the Cursed, I think it would be only fair if the mod told the villagers that they are dealing with yet another wolf from now on. Or then the villagers must have better luck with catching the furry fiends than we had. :o

Edit: Nice summary, phantom!

[Lalaith]

Great write-up, phantom...
just one thing. The night we very nearly ate Kuru, it was actually *you* he would have killed. It was the night before he would have killed me. (ie the night we killed Perky). So it was even luckier that we went for Celuien, as you would have been a much greater loss to our side...