Werewolf X: The One Saga to Rule them All!

[wilwarin538]

Welcome to Werewolf X: The one Saga to Rule them All!

This story takes place in the village of Tinseltown. I know Tinseltown sounds like the name of town you would find in a fairy tale, but I’m afraid that this isn’t a fairy tale. Its starts out just like a fairy tale with the sentence “Once upon a time…” but the rest of that sentence isn’t very happy. This story also definitely doesn’t end with “And they lived happily ever after.” it’s more the direct opposite of that.

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The game happens in DAY phases and NIGHT phases. The DAYS and NIGHTS both start at 7pmEST, to find out what time that is for you, just look at the time on this post. During the NIGHT the Werewolves choose their victims. During the Day the villagers lynch another player trying to get rid of all of the Wolves.

I will not allow a mass lynching. Two deaths at once are all I can handle.

Votes will be bolded and in capitals and have two ++ signs in front of them; they will be posted on a separate line like this, I will get very angry :mad: if they are not on a seperate line ( ;) ):

++WILWARIN

Votes are irretractable.

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Discrepancies

Compromising privacy: You can say you're a villager/seer/werewolf, etc. all you want, but under no circumstances should you post anything that would give your claim absolute credibility. You are not allowed to post any PMs or other private conversation between yourself and the game moderator. Infractions of this rule are grounds for immediately disqualification from that game and all future games.

Outside interference: Once you are killed in a werewolf game you should no longer post in the thread, or the Werewolf I thread, or communicate with players that are still alive in the game. You're dead. Dead people don’t talk. Breaching of this rule will result in disqualification from all future games.

Private Messages: Players may not PM one another about the game; all discussion must be open. The exceptions are the Werewolves, who may only PM one another during Night. Please remember to keep space for PMs from other players or me, if relevant.

Role Play: Players should not refer to the game as a game, even though I do, consider this a role playing game. I will have to insist that you do not mention past villages whatsoever. It is, of course, okay to theorize concerning werewolf tactics. This hardly requires the words “When I was a Werewolf in Game VII…” to be attached to the front of the theory. Breaking this rule will result in a warning, breaking it a second time will result in automatic lynching.

Please remember to stay invisible. You can do this by going to User CP, change options and clicking the Invisible Mode button, don't forget to press Save Changes. I would also like atleast one post from everyone every DAY, doesn't matter how short it is, if you miss two whole DAYS you will be lynched.

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The wolves win if the wolf/villager ratio is equal, the villagers win if all of the wolves are killed.

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The Roles

Ordinary Villager: They communicate on this thread only and only during the DAY, they lynch one (or two) suspected wolves per DAY.

Werewolves: These three communicate during the Night about who to kill and then send the person’s name to me, they try to avoid suspicion during the Day.

Seer: The seer chooses one person to dream about, that person’s name is then sent to me, then that person’s role is revealed to the seer.

Ranger: The ranger chooses one person to protect from wolf attacks each night. They cannot choose the same person twice in a row.

Hunter: The hunter chooses one person to die along side him/her incase he/she is chosen by the wolves, he/she wants to try and pick a wolf. He/she also cannot choose the same person twice in a row.

Cursed Villager: Doesn’t know he/she is cursed, I am the only one who knows that. If they are chosen by the wolves they become a wolf, and play on the wolve's team. No one will know who the Cursed villager was/is until the end of the game.

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Players:

1.Anguirel-villainous outlaw and poacher, one of the Gaurwaith
2.Azealia of Willowbottom- the porta potty maker(sp?)
3.Boromir88- Cafe owner
4.Cailìn- barmaid at Boro's cafe, degree in psychology
5.Celuien- the town eccentric best known for her vast collection of pet frogs.
6.Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant-riksha driver
7.Eonwe-boondock saint
8.Gil-Galad-Escape Artist / Womanizer
9.Glirdan-teacher
10.Kitanna-that crazy cat lady
11.Kuruharan-theater owner/traveling fair operator
12.Lalaith-tumbling acrobat and dancing girl at Kuruharan's fair
13.Márcolië Lamen-expert on Gadian Literature
14.The Perky Ent-experimenting food merchant(spice racks and all)
15.the phantom- town drunk
16.WaynetheGoblin- rich man, owns a big mansion

I will be the math geek.

Roles:
3 werewolves
1 ranger
1 hunter
1 seer
1 cursed
9 ordinary villagers

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It is now Night 1. Wolves may PM, I need a name from the seer only. Day 1 will start with my death in 24 hours.

*sorry about the lateness, took me longer then I thought* :rolleyes:

Please don't forget to make yourself invisible. I can still see one of you.

[wilwarin538]

Once upon a time, in the village of Tinseltown, the Werewolves attacked their first victim.

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It was a normal day in the small town; everyone woke up and did the things they did almost every morning.

Anguirel looked over his plan to rob the Tinsel Bank that afternoon.
Azealia sat at her kitchen table trying to find a better career.
The phantom sat outside of Boromir’s café waiting for it to open, while Boro and Cailín crouched under the counter hoping that the phantom would leave.
Celuin took out a large jar of flies to feed all of her(?) many frogs.
Dancing Spawn filled up her car, complaining about how expensive gas prices had become.
Eonwe did whatever it is a boondock saint does in the morning.
Gil practiced getting his hands untied from behind his back as he ran after Lalaith, for her number. Lalaith danced away to Kuru’s fair.
Kuruharan smiled as he finally got the movie poster up he had been working on for an hour, he started to cry when he realized it was upside down.
Glirdan smiled as he finished correcting the papers he had been working on all night, he started to cry when he realized he only had two students.
Kitanna found another stray cat and tried to find room for her in her small house.
While Perky refilled his spice racks, Márcolië confused him by talking to him in the Gadian language.
Wayne took out a large abacus to count all of his money.

Once everyone had gone through their daily routine they realized someone was missing. Wilwarin wasn’t among them.

“Maybe she slept in?” Kitanna* suggested.

“I don’t think so, usually by this time she’s running around telling everyone she’s smarter then them.” Kuru* said, with a sad look as if to say she had done it to him often.

“How about we just go to her house and see where she is?” Eonwe* suggested.

Everyone agreed and the 16 townspeople walked to Wilwa’s house. Like everything Wilwa owned her house was blue. The door was open so they walked in. A quick chill ran down their spines, there was an odd atmosphere in the house.

They huddled together and started to walk towards the main living room, on the one wall there was a large mural of the constellation Cassiopeia (http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/constellations/cassiopeia.jpg) , Wilwa’s favorite constellation. They had seen it many times so usually no one paid attention to it, but this time there was something about it they couldn’t have passed by.

On each star of the constellation a part of Wilwa had been stuck to it. Her two arms, her two legs and her torso in the middle. But where was her head? They nervously looked around the entire house, dreading what they might find, and when they got to the kitchen they finally found it. Wilwa’s head was sitting in the middle of the kitchen table, math supplies, such as compasses and rulers, stuck into it. On her forehead was a note:

5(3-2) +15-(6+4)-7 = number of werewolves
Let’s see if you guys are as smart as she was.

Everyone automatically looked at Glirdan*, who was the teacher after all.

“Uhm….well…..that’s easy…..its 0…the answer to big questions is always 0….I guess there’s nothing to worry about then.” Glirdan* stuttered looking very disgusted and embarrassed.

All the villagers sighed in relief.

“Hick…no stupid…hick…the answer is….hick…3” the phantom* said very drunkenly.

The villagers went into a panick and started running around in circles. Werewolves? What would they do? How could any of them survive with three Werewolves in their midst?

*when I use people’s names it doesn’t mean anything, I’m not hinting towards anyone’s roles

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Living:

1.Anguirel
2.Azealia of Willowbottom
3.Boromir88
4.Cailìn
5.Celuien
6.Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
7.Eonwe
8.Gil-Galad
9.Glirdan
10.Kitanna
11.Kuruharan
12.Lalaith
13.Márcolië Lamen
14.The Perky Ent
15.the phantom
16.WaynetheGoblin

Dead:
wilwarin538(mod)- glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.

Score:
Villagers: 13
Werewolves: 3

It is now Day 1, Wolves stop PMing please. Villagers, you know what to do.

(By the way, I said I will allow a double lynching, but I won’t be happy about it ;) and I would rather you don't edit your posts, just feel free to double post)

[The Perky Ent]

"Alas, that Wilwarin has gone. Always helped me tally my spices. Roasted Quill with a parsley garnish, I believe, was her favorite. " The Perky Ent said, as the thought of Cassiopeia taunted his mind. The Perky Ent's mind was a tempest of emotion that morning. He knew Wilwarin almost like a sister. Perky turned to Márcolië and asked "Is there anything in Gadian concerning werewolves?" But, ignoring Márcolië's well-articulated answer, Perky's stomach got the best of him, and he ran over to Boromir's cafe for a drink

[WaynetheGoblin]

I also knew her like a sister maybe cause she is my sister but this has been a sad day.

[Kitanna]

Wilwa? Dead? She once gave me a stray kitten! How horrible!

[Kuruharan]

*Kuruharan enters surrounded by a crowd of adoring flunkies*

Hmmm...how sad. What will I do if I'm not being taunted for my mathematical incompetence?

There is one thing we need to remember right now...

Try to disperse the votes toDAY and carefully watch who starts accusing who. Two!!! I meant two things we need to remember right now.

Flunkie! Memo to me: Send flowers to the funeral.

[Boromir88]

What a sorrowful morning. She always made for pleasant company in the Cafe and never caused me any problems. What kind of beast must you be to cause such treachery?

[the phantom]

"Oh no- not again" mumbled the phantom, as he stumbled back towards his favorite drinking spot.

"What does he mean, 'not again'?" one villager asked another.

"I'm not completely sure, but- well, this one time, when he was a bit more drunk than usual, he told me that the last village he lived in got invaded by werebeasts. He said he fought 'em and gave a good accounting of himself, but that he eventually had to run to save his life. Said that's why he drinks so much- to forget all the friends he lost."

"Well, that's a bunch of nonsense. That guy can't even stand up straight, much less give a 'good accounting' of himself to werebeasts."

"Yeah, you're probably right. Best to never listen to a word that man says. Can't nobody tell fibs like a drunk."

[Márcolië Lamen]

Me ja'coberi voth. Eri gharis son tel vod. Eri ji, jey si. Ko de coderi Talpi?*

Why would anyone do this to our math geek? Something evil must be here. Alas, the evil runs amuck. I'm afraid my friends. I don't know anything about what to do. No kali la'Gadis* has something I can draw from. But we must survive.



*All translations of Aklai la'Gadis will be at the end of posts.

I don't understand this. There are wolves in our home. Its bad, not good. Does anyone know anything?

Gadian book

[Celuien]

Poor Wilwa! I shall miss discussing the joys of the impossibility of division by zero with her.

Now to set about finding the cruel beasts who did this. All I can suggest is that we all seek them out loudly and actively as we can. Silence only benefits the lupine among us by giving them a shadowy lair from which they can launch attacks on us. If we force them into the open, they're bound to make a slip.

I'd best be feeding the Ribbiters. Mr. Chubbs likes 3 crickets for dinner, and he's very cranky when I'm late.

[Gil-Galad]

bah... i felt something special with her ya know? she wasn't like all the other girls ya know? well its all horrible...so Kitanna, what are you doing tonight?

[the phantom]

Hurry! Get your things packed. Get out of this village before the madness begins thought the phantom to himself as he entered his little shack.

Running away again, eh? How brave! said a voice in his head.

Running has kept me alive this long, and it'll keep me alive again! he snapped back at the voice.

But if the wolves keep going from village to village wiping everyone out, eventually there won't be another village to run to. You have to stand your ground eventually returned the voice.

Stand my ground and die? Ha! What chance does this village have?

Not much if you leave! answered the voice. You're a leader and a clear thinker- when you are sober, that is. The village could really use you.

the phantom sighed, sat down on the floor, and cradled his throbbing head.

"Should I run, or fight?" he asked aloud to the empty room.

After nearly ten minutes of silence, his jaw slowly hardened and his hands balled up into fists.

"I will FIGHT! First, I need to take some medicine and get my head cleared up so I can think better. Then- I'll make some plans."

[Boromir88]

Crazy drunk, I should just ban him from the Cafe.

Hmm, Perky's sort of signalling me over, I wonder if I should close for the day. Or perhaps, since we need to decide what to do I can round everyone up to the Cafe. I suppose it would be a nice gathering place to conduct talks. Plus get the place lively for once.

"Drinks are on the house today fellow villagers. We got things to discuss."

[The Perky Ent]

"Drink's on the house?" Perky said, as he pulled up a seat in Boromir's cafe. "You don't have to tell me twice! Bring forth an ale!" Perky made conversation with Boromir, talking about everything but the morning's incident. He wanted to wait til everyone was present so they could all here what everyone had to say. Besides that, Perky had made everyone's favorite meal for the occasion, and proper manners dictated that everyone should be seated before eating. Looking over the day, Perky realized what he had done. He spent hours upon hours cooking his troubles away, but he realized no amount of curry could get rid of the werewolves.

[Celuien]

Celuien walked into Boromir's cafe, a dripping box under one arm and a willow wand under the other. Loud ribbits could be heard coming from the box.

"Take those disgusting frogs out of here!" shouted one villager. "It's bad enough that you fill your own hut with them. We don't want them in here while we're trying to think."

"Now, now," returned Celuien. "There's no harm in them. Besides, how could you expect me to leave my darlings unattended when there are werewolves rampaging through Tinseltown?" She glared at the villager and sat down at a table.

"What's the stick for?" queried another.

"You'll just have to see," came the mysterious reply. To herself she added what, you've never heard of a willow rod for divining? Granted that's usually for water, but why not try it on wolves too? It's as good as anything else I have to go on. Grasping at straws, grasping at straws...

With that, Celuien ordered a mug of coffee and muttered to herself with a glowering expression on her face.

[Kuruharan]

Kuruharan strolled in.

"My private table please, pronto!"

The wait staff hastily threw some less affluent customers out of the cafe. Kuruharan sat down.

"I'll have the spaghetti. I must say this is an awfully calm and collected village considering what just happened. I've heard that in other villages by this point the fur has already been flying (if you'll pardon the expression). I may need to organize another faire to liven things up."

[Kitanna]

Kitanna sat in the corner of Boromir's cafe gently stroking her favorite cat, a pleasant red tabby. She listened to the conversations going around about Wilwa's unfortunate death.

"I think we are being too calm about all this." She finally said. "Wilwa never did any one in this village any harm and there's no telling who those foul wolves will take next." She returned her attention to her cat.

[The Perky Ent]

"Agreed" Perky interjected, after hearing Kitanna's statement. "We all know she didn't deserve her fate. And for that matter, who is to say any of us deserve it either? Well...naturally the wolves, but we have yet to name them. Let us find them swiftly, so that no more must befall Wilwa's fate."

[Celuien]

"What, Kuru, another faire? Bring more strange folk into the village? For all we know there could be more monsters in the audience, or cast for that matter. No, we've serious business. Less tinsel and glitter, more work."

What should I do? What, what... I could give this old rod a try now. Or maybe I should wait a bit longer to see what happens.

Torn between these two thoughts, she stood at the door of the cafe and gazed down the deserted street, awaiting more arrivals.

[Kuruharan]

"Mmmm...this is most excellent spaghetti. A faire would stir things up a bit. It is in the village's interest to have things stirred up. It is kind of hard to deduce anything when everybody is lying low. (More wine waiter.) Perhaps I should say something that might spark a bit of debate. On the first DAY we might consider making a selection from among those who say little. (Where's my salad?)"

[Glirdan]

Glirdan stumbled into the café looking very disgruntled and upset all at once. "The usual, please," he said as he took his favortie spot at the bar. "I can't believe I got that wrong. How could a drunk beat me in my own perfession? And Wilwa, dead!!! Pourquoi!?!? Pourquoi!?!? For those of you who don't know french, that is "Why!?!? Why!?!?" Me and her were best friends. We used to sit and talk in french and do math problems together!!! We were scholars together in Minas Tirith!!! Why would the wolves go for her!?!? I've been up all night pondering on this. Maybe they thought she was to smart for their own good and that she would eventually find out who it was. And where did these wolves suddenly come form!?!? But the main question is 'Who are the wolves?' I can't imagine any of us in our fair town who would want to do any harm. I think we need to keep a good eye on the Kuru. There's been nothing but trouble since that faire came to town." He then sat and drank his french vanilla in thought, waiting to hear others input on the sad situation.

[Kuruharan]

"Another crack like that and you'll never work in this town again!!" (Heh, I got to use my corny line!:D)

"And what exactly ails you about faires? I've got my livin' to make, same as everybody else!" (adjusts diamond and ruby rings)

[the phantom]

Everyone in the cafe looked up in surprise as the door swung open and a stranger entered the room. He was well dressed, clean shaven, and walked with confidence and grace. His eyes shone with intelligence.

"Who are you, sir?" asked Kuru rising from his seat.

"The man that you threw out of your theatre for being too loud last weekend" answered the stranger. "And I don't blame you- I deserved it."

"Ph-phantom?" stuttered Perky Ent.

"Who else?" said the phantom with a smile.

"I didn't recognize you all.. you know- decent looking."

"Well, get used to it. I'm not touching another mug of ale ever again. I've been running away from wolves and trying to drown my nightmares about them for long enough. I think it's about time I killed them- or at least die trying. I will regain my lost honor."
I think we need to keep a good eye on the Kuru. There's been nothing but trouble since that faire came to town.
Yes, yes, there's nothing wrong with keeping an eye on him. He is a shrewd and cunning individual, and it's bad news for this village if he is a wolf.

However, his cunning could serve us well in the coming days if he is an innocent. I am not willing to cast a stone at him this early- not until we have some evidence against him. We have no real information to work with right now, and I think it would be extremely unwise to kill one of our best thinkers with no evidence.

Now, I'm not saying I think he is innocent- so don't hold my defense of him against me later if he turns out to be a wolf. I'm just saying that if I had to lynch someone on a completely random guess, I would not want Kuru to be the one to die.

[Gil-Galad]

Gil-Galad walked in to see the discussion taking place, he orderd himself an ale and sat down, then seeing Kitanna, got up and sat down beside her

"troubling times eh fair lady?"

[Márcolië Lamen]

After walking in to Boromir's cafe because of Perky singalling her to come in to the village meeting, Marcolie did so. "We all must not jump to conclusions too fast, though must be watchful," she read from one of her (few) non-Gadian influenced books. Like that helps. We were going to do that anyways. At least I was planning on it. You all were too...right?...

[Glirdan]

" Kuru, I have no problem with faires. I said the trouble started when the faire came. And I'm not accusing you of being a wolf either, I said I was going to be keeping my eye on you. But now, I'm getting a little suspicious of you." Glirdan said after phantom and Gil had their say. "Phantom, are you perhaps hinting at something?" Glirdan asked. "What you just said is making me think that you are innocent. I know for the time being, that I will not be voting for you. You are innocent in my eyes." he said as he drank the last of his french vanilla. "Another one please." he said to Boro. " I need a good wake up call after the horrible events of this morning...."

[Kitanna]

Kitanna rolled her eyes as Gil took a seat next to her. "I have a sudden urge to throw my cat at you." The cat in her lap hissed at the suggestion. "But I won't, for my cat's sake."

She then turned her attention to Kuru. "Your faire idea is a bad one. Bringing in innocents from outside the town, it'll be sure death for them. Why tempt the wolves even further?"

[Eonwe]

Returning home late from his job at the meatpacking plant, Eonwe was unaware that anything was amiss in that peaceful vale of Tinsletown, ever a quiet abode of harmony. In fact, the first news he heard was pertaining to free drinks at Boromir’s café.

A fine evening this, and most fortunate it is, too, he thought to himself as he made his way toward that age-old establishment, known for it’s excellent food, fine company, and hearty ale. How wrong he was.

As he entered, he sensed something was different. There was none of the usually boisterous laughter, clinking of glasses, and general hubbub that is typically expected of Boromir’s café. A subdued atmosphere reigned throughout the place. Even the phantom was inexplicably sober. He ordered his usually foaming mug of ale and sat at the bar.

“Well, what’s with the place,” he asked quietly to the bartender.

“Ah, didn’t you hear! Wilwa, may she rest in peace, cruelly murdered, and by three of our own, too, they say! Has the whole town on edge. They say they are really wolves who inhabit the bodies of ordinary villagers. During the night, however, they assume their true form and devour unhappy souls!”

“Tis’ evil news on this fine night, friend! And how are we to rid ourselves of these creatures, if we cannot tell even who has committed this murder?”

“That remains to be seen. Perhaps they will make a false move, and betray their counsels. Who knows; but we must live by our own wits in these trying days.”

[The Perky Ent]

"Well Phantom, I had a feeling you'd come! I prepared someting just for you! Cheease-berry piee, your favorite! " Taken aback, Phantom quickly responded "Why Perky? This is much too much! You did not need to do this for me? I thank you" "Any time, Phantom. I do what I can :D "

From the back, Perky heard someone shout:

"Another crack like that and you'll never work in this town again!!"

Perky turned around, looking at the conversation at hand. Facing Kuruharan, he interjected "There's no need to be hostile. Such anger over a suggestion like that? Yes, I think we've all established that having the fair is a bad idea. No one wants anyone to go poor, but I think the safety of the lives of innocents should trump money. I say this, however, not to infer anything as to the true origin of any of our villagers. I merely think we should watch ourselves more closely. Who knows what awaits us in our dreams. Now, as for these wolves...what is to be done? Does anyone have anything to bring to the table (apart from your drinks)? Has anything suspicous happened?

[Boromir88]

Boromir could not enter into many conversations for long he was always running around busily it seemed. But, he helped out whenever he could.

"ahh, my Kuru, it's a pleasure to see you enjoy the spaghetti."

"Well Marcolie, we definitely have to be on the look out. I would suspect the wolves are amongst us right now. And soon we need to start talking about suspects."

"Another one over here"

"Be right with you Glirdan."

Boromir walked passed Kittana and Gil-galad..."Gil-galad, must I show you that sign on the wall. There will be know mistreatment of women here. My lady Kitanna, if he offends you an any way, well nevermind I think you can handle yourself fairly well. In fact Gil-galad I will have to say your behavior is a bit odd, even if you are known to be quite the womanizer. I'm not saying anything but you said your condolenses to Wilwarin, but seemed to quickly get passed her death before you put a move on Kitanna. I would watch out mi lady. Well, I must go attend Glirdan."

"Celuien, watch Phantom. If he causes any trouble tell me. You know how he gets and despite his vow to not drink again, with drinks being on me I would think the temptation might get to him."

[The Perky Ent]

On the first DAY we might consider making a selection from among those who say little. (Where's my salad?)"Rather quiet are some of the villagers of Tinseltown. Where are they? Why do they not help us track down the murderers in our time of need?

[Márcolië Lamen]

Rather quiet are some of the villagers of Tinseltown. Where are they? Why do they not help us track down the murderers in our time of need?

Rather quiet they are. They must care, unless of course they are the villans, but I can not help but feel they're not helping enough, even early on.

[Boromir88]

Rather quiet are some of the villagers of Tinseltown. Where are they? Why do they not help us track down the murderers in our time of need?~Perky

Rather quiet they are. They must care, unless of course they are the villans, but I can not help but feel they're not helping enough, even early on.~Marcolie

I think it would be too suspicios for all three wolves to not participate. Though I think atleast one (probably two) are hiding in the quiet crowd. And the other is one who has joined us.

We also must remember the different timezones here, so it's still way too early in the day to start pointing fingers at who's quiet and who's not. In fact it's 12:30 am here for me and I'm heading out. We should be able to get a clearer picture in the coming hours. I am interested in hearing those who have not spoken however.

[the phantom]

Thanks for the pie, Perky. :p
Perhaps they will make a false move, and betray their counsels
Yes, Eonwe, we will study every word that is said and every vote that is cast and attempt to unravel the wolves' strategy- which we hope will tell us their identities..... but not today.

No wolf is going to say "Hey guys, I'm a wolf and- oops".

We will have to spot them using our seer (every village of this sort has one), killing strategy, and voting record.

But as it stands now, only one kill has been made, and the wolves did not even choose that kill. And also, there is no voting record at this time, because no votes have been cast.

Today we are flying blind. No one looks more or less like a wolf than anyone else.

However, from a strategic standpoint there are a few people that I do not believe should be candidates on this first day.

I'm going to sit back for a few hours and see who shows their face, and then I'll put forth an idea or two.

Don't rush to vote- and certainly do not band-wagon (in other words, don't let one person get all the votes). We should have at least two, if not three people with multiple votes today. That way, if one of them is a wolf then the other wolves might feel the need to save them and thus reveal themselves with their votes.
I think it would be too suspicios for all three wolves to not participate. Though I think atleast one (probably two) are hiding in the quiet crowd. And the other is one who has joined us.
I agree with this. I do not think that all three wolves will hide amongst the same crowd and work in unison.

Unless of course, they are doing it and assuming that we will all think that they wouldn't do it. :p

But no- I think that is too risky. If I had to gamble with a guess, there is probably going to be one somewhat loud wolf, one extremely silent wolf (who may or may not even show up), and one wolf sort of in the middle ground.
We also must remember the different timezones here, so it's still way too early in the day to start pointing fingers at who's quiet and who's not.
That is correct. That's why I'm going to wait for a while before giving any further thoughts or suggestions on who our lynching candidates should be.
watch Phantom. If he causes any trouble tell me. You know how he gets and despite his vow to not drink again, with drinks being on me I would think the temptation might get to him
I assure you, I am dedicated to keeping my wits clear, and thus will not drink a drop of alcohol. Though I wouldn't mind some coffee, if you don't mind getting it for me, sir.

[The Perky Ent]

We also must remember the different timezones here, so it's still way too early in the day to start pointing fingers at who's quiet and who's not. In fact it's 12:30 am here for me and I'm heading out.

Yes, I have kept that thought in my mind. But, I just thought I should keep the topic up. I do agree with the fact that the wolves, whoever they may be, must not be hiding in Tinseltown. But yes, time is always against us. But if you, Boromir, are correc then one of the following is a werewolf:


The Perky Ent
WaynetheGoblin
Kitanna
the phantom
Marcolie lamen
Celuien
Gil-Galad
Kuruharan
Glirdan
Eonwe
Boromir88


Well that made it easier, didn't it? ;) No, I just like to keep organised.

[The Perky Ent]

>.< My first double post here. I hate to do it, but I must extend the courtesy!

Phantom, you are very welcome for the pie!

[Márcolië Lamen]

Unless of course, they are doing it and assuming that we will all think that they wouldn't do it. :p

But no- I think that is too risky.

I would definitally agree with the statement of it being too risky to all do the same thing. But we must keep our eyes open even upon that. A triple bluff would be possible, though unlikely...

I do agree with the fact that the wolves, whoever they may be, must not be hiding in Tinseltown. But yes, time is always against us. But if you, Boromir, are correc then one of the following is a werewolf:...


It'd be likely one would be amoung us here in Tinseltown, which is why it is so difficult to spot them. However, even stating that is quick while dealing with time zones...

I say wait until everyone would have a chance to be awake then go through the same sorting of those who have been here and those who have not.

Also, notice how Perky Doesn't deny his(?) chance of being a werebeast. If he(?) knew himself(?) to be innocent why would he(?) include himself in the list?...though it is too early to be drawing any conclusions from anything.

[Kitanna]

Also, notice how Perky Doesn't deny his(?) chance of being a werebeast. If he(?) knew himself(?) to be innocent why would he(?) include himself in the list?...though it is too early to be drawing any conclusions from anything.
Perky's list goes in order of who posted first to last. If he had left himself off the list suspicions of him would have gone up. However keeping himself on can mean a) he's innocent and he's confident in that or b) he's a wolf trying to make us think "well, he put him self on the suspect list, surely he's not a wolf". However I find no reason to truly suspect Perky, not yet anyway. I'd rather hear from others before passing judgement on anyone.

EDIT: Rereading Perky's list it appears the first three are in order. Well, it doesn't matter. The point is everyone who posted is on that list and why would Perky leave himself out?

[Kuruharan]

"Your faire idea is a bad one. Bringing in innocents from outside the town, it'll be sure death for them. Why tempt the wolves even further?"

-and-

Yes, I think we've all established that having the fair is a bad idea.

You silly, silly people. If we had a faire and brought in some more innocent people that would drastically improve our chances and virtually guarantee a villager victory. (It would also improve my revenue flow, but that's neither here nor there).

But since everyone thinks it is such a bad idea...

I think it would be too suspicios for all three wolves to not participate. Though I think atleast one (probably two) are hiding in the quiet crowd. And the other is one who has joined us.

To contradict what I said earlier (although this comment is also really nothing more than grist for the mill at the moment)...

I have heard it said that werewolves can be in a state of some excitement when they begin their killing spree. They can sometimes tend to run about the village interacting with their intended victims hoping to throw them off the scent. Essentially they can be some of the most vocal villagers.

Now that things seem to have picked up a little bit of speed, I'd advocate taking a hard look at the people in this room with us. One (and maybe even two) of them is almost certainly a werewolf.

[Anguirel]

At that moment-just as Kuru unveiled his cunning theory-there was a slight distraction up at the Tinsel Bank. There was a smash of broken glass, a sound of a flailing blackjack, and the voice of the banker could be heard begging for mercy. Normally, this would have been a masterstroke of stealth; but with the villagers all huddled close by, it failed somewhat, and an angry mob of Tinsellers charged to the defence of their meagre accounts. They were just in time; they found the banking staff trussed to the walls, and a rangy, thin, man with sparkiling, untrustworthy eyes, a knife, and a bag containing the village's savings, about to mount a weary looking horse. He wore a cloak of some unspecified grey furry material; he liked to boast it was werewolf, but the disappearance of a local stray dog made that claim rather unlikely. This was Anguirel, self-appointed Gaurwaith; and now he was regretting his publicity.

"Er...greetings, friends," he muttered. "I was just...er..planning to redistribute funds for, er, the town's defence. Honest." He was as honest and true as a black rat...

***

Well, thankyou very much. I attempt to be public spirited and you confiscate my hard earned goods. No, I haven't a clue who the wolves are, though give me a quart of yon whisky and might get some ideas...

[The Perky Ent]

Thank you for explaining Kitanna! Márcolië Lamen,
A) I'm a he :D
B) It was a list of the people who have posted and could be werewolves. And, like Kitanna said, if I didn't include myself in that list, it's practically saying "Perky Ent - Not a werewolf, so don't worry about looking into him. Just keep the thought out of your mind, and focus on everyone but him". I might as well wear a T-shirt that says "Lynch me, Please!"

And for my second piece of business:

You silly, silly people. If we had a faire and brought in some more innocent people that would drastically improve our chances and virtually guarantee a villager victory. (It would also improve my revenue flow, but that's neither here nor there).



All about the money, eh Kuru? But putting that aside for now, can you explain the logic in bringing more innocents into Tinseltown? I don't know if you realize this, but the less villagers, the better your chances (probability wise, at least) of finding a wolf. It means innocents will die, and wolves can pick people off during the confusion. I do believe your last faire generated quite some revenue. Have you drained it already? I find your attitude to this whole matter rather suspicious. But I won't start trying to piece anything together until later, when we can put aside the mourning, and start to seek the truth

[Anguirel]

*The quart of whisky has been admnstered.*

Sa-ha, buckoes...allow me divululllul-hic-ge...divulg...er...tell the secrets of crime lore. Takes one to know one! This Gaurwaith's techniques may help ye find the Gaurhoth...though mind that once the werewolves hear them, they may try to contradict them.

After I poignarded Red Fingers, the Elvenking's shirriffs and what have you were running around looking for the killer. Now they ran across me a dozen times; and I didn't risk anything. I could've told 'em Grendelgurd the Hairy did it, but then, if they thought old Grendy was innocent, they would've strung me up, wouldn't they?

So I just kept myself out of theories and possibilities, and I mourned Fingers like a brother. Ahem...that said, I'm going to keep myself out of theories and possibilities, and mourn Wilwa like a sister.

You see, when Fingers bought it, there was jist the Elvenking's police to contend with. This time...the claw of the Dark Lord is here as well as the arm of the Law. I'm scared. But what I'm saying is, don't go for the accusers, nehhh. By and large, go for the seconders, make decisions without showing feeling. In my book, they'll be the ones with whiskers.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

*splash* *thud* *creak*

*Spawn entered Boromir's Café smelling even worse than the phantom after umpteen pints and looked around.*

Ahem, sorry I'm late. I bought a canister of petrol and spent the whole morning trying to find a gas tank from my riksha... Yeah, laugh if you want but it's tough work to cycle all days transporting people and stuff around the village. I'd be very pleased if someone invented a two-phase motor already. In other words: if you want to get up 1:55 AM, it's fine but let me sleep late. ;)

Don't rush to vote- and certainly do not band-wagon (in other words, don't let one person get all the votes). I agree completely. I'd just like to remind you that there's a difference between voting with a majority because you really think someone's quilty and voting with a majority because everyone else is doing so.

So, I guess it's time to start analyzing posts, theories and reactions.

Márcolië doesn't really say anything in her two first posts. In her third post she just agrees with Perky that there are people who have not posted yet. She says that those people aren't helping enough. How have you helped, my dear? At this point you hadn't come forth with any theories.

Márcolië posts often but says very little and she's being very careful. Look at her last post, for example. First Márcolië says something but then she starts to hesitate. There's no need to be so shy to make some solid arguments. Also, notice how Perky Doesn't deny his(?) chance of being a werebeast. If he(?) knew himself(?) to be innocent why would he(?) include himself in the list?... though it is too early to be drawing any conclusions from anything. I think that's rather obvious, don't you think? :)

Now, I'd like to have something to eat. And by drawing conclusions from your faces, I should wash this reek of petrol away.

[Cailín]

Cailín had been quiet up till now. Not only had the death of poor Wilwa disturbed her greatly, she also preferred listening to what the others were saying – expecting that sooner or later, she might catch one of her fellow villagers making a Freudian slip. Alas, no one had complained about sudden shaving problems just yet.

Her little notebook – the one people assumed she used to write down their orders in – was already filled with interesting notes and scribbling about the regular customers. After all, it was quite a shock to find the phantom sober after all this time – he must be afraid, somehow, he might say too much if he were to behave in his usual fashion. Also, Boromir had lately denied her a pay raise, so there was definitely something evil going on there – but maybe it was just greediness, which is not merely a wolfish flaw.

With a desperate shrug, she decided that if nothing else, she could always get everyone as drunk as possible. There was bound to be a wolf who could not hold his (or her) liquor.

So, I guess it's time to start analyzing posts, theories and reactions.

And I guess it's time for that, too. ;)

[Celuien]

"Indeed Boro, I'll happily keep an eye on the phantom. I caught him swimming in my pond once when he'd had too many ales."

But the phantom's transition to sobriety was genuine. Despite several hours in the cafe, he showed no signs of inebriation.

"Now, I have no wish to attack Kuru simply because of the faire. Many of us here have odd professions. And I agree that it would be unwise to lynch him on a first day when we've nothing to go on but random accusations. I believe the best strategy is to try and stir up some response from our quieter villagers. Like I said, silence just gives the beasties cover, and we want them to talk until they give us enough to find them.

And I don't find anything all that strange in Perky's list. He knows we all suspect each other and his list was meant to demonstrate Boro's theory of who could be a wolf, which would of course include him.

Now, to stir things up a bit..."

Celuien picked up her willow wand, closed her eyes, and turned three times.

"Ah ha, I've found you! Explain yourself!"

But the wand pointed to nothingness. She opened her eyes to a chorus of laughter. Disgusted, she tossed the rod aside and peered over the room to find one who seemed to laugh louder than the rest.

"Gil-Galad! You've said little enough since we've been here, other than to bother Kitanna. And why is this so amusing? Is it because the wand should have found you and you're gloating over my failure?"

[Cailín]

*coughs and addresses Celuien in smart-*** manner*

"Celuien, you seem so wise, telling everybody to speak up so the wolves cannot hide behind silence. Yet, if we all start yelling at each other, as innocents, it is far easier for the wolves to hide. When you are crying out, trying to get as much said as possible, it's far easier for the wolves to find something they can use against you, than when you stay silent and only say those things that make sense.

I'm not saying we should all remain silent and not discuss these matters, for we seem to be in serious trouble here. But you are wrong in presuming that we can only save our village by babbling. Quiet reflection and the right words at the right time can be helpful as well, maybe even more helpful sometimes, for the wolves will have no big words and long speeches to hide behind.

You can hardly hide behind silence. It is quite empty and transparent. It is far easier to hide behind the words of the innocents."

*pours another glass of wine*

"Well, at least Gil hasn't drastically changed because of this recent tragedy. Which might be suspicious. Or not."

[Lalaith]

Lalaith awoke, rubbed her eyes, adjusted her navel-jewel and did a few stretches and flik-flaks to get ready for the day. That was a late night that slave-driver Kuruharan forced her to work - some banquet or other for his dubious business contacts.
Let no-one think the life of a girl acrobat was a glamorous one.

Where was everyone? Down at Boromir's cafe, getting drunk - at this hour? Since she'd arrived in town with the fair, Lalaith had been under the impression it was a fairly strait-laced kind of place, full of decent, hard-working types. Not like some places she'd seen.
Listening to the febrile discussions taking place, she realised the full horror of the night's events. Her shock was so great, her navel-jewel fell out, clattering to the floor and rolling under a table unseen. Poor Wilwarin, who had been so kind - she'd been helping her develop a new balancing routine, working out weight distribution with mathematical formulae.
Lalaith listened carefully to the discussions that had been taking place while she slept. She'd knocked around a few places and thought herself a good judge of character. But good enough to spot a werebeast?
Who was trying to lead opinion, to take the lead? Some will have the villagers' best interests at heart, others, maybe not. There's that sot of a Phantom, cleaning himself up like that and handing out advice to all and sundry. Then Perky Ent seemed a little bit, well, too perky for such a sombre occasion. And what of her boss Kuruharan - she knew he was a swine to work for but could he be a wolf in pig's clothing?

[Celuien]

"Yes, Cailín, and I'm not saying as there isn't a time for reflection. And there's nothing wrong with being careful, choosing only to speak when there's something important to be said. And I'm not saying that I won't do just that. What I mean is that we've all got to come out with some ideas and force the wolves to do the same so that at least it gives us something to go on to find them. Even if visibility gives them a way to attack an innocent, at least the attack gives the others something to go on too. Who led or bandwagoned against a vocal and potentially wolf-endangering innocent? As opposed to charging against a quieter villager, which doesn't give us as much information to analyze since it's harder to figure out motives behind the choice. I'm willing to take the chance of being accused and, yes, even lynched, if it gives us something to go after the wolves on.

Nor am I saying that we should all just go about accusing each other and shouting for attention. I just want us all to think hard and try to figure on what's happened.

A glass of wine, please."

[Boromir88]

"Thank you Celuien. People do change I guess."

Kuru:
To contradict what I said earlier (although this comment is also really nothing more than grist for the mill at the moment)...

I have heard it said that werewolves can be in a state of some excitement when they begin their killing spree. They can sometimes tend to run about the village interacting with their intended victims hoping to throw them off the scent. Essentially they can be some of the most vocal villagers.
"That's true, and I agree. There is one problem, that could also be a vigorous villager wishing to help out for the good of the village. Though, I do think that there's atleast one wolf on Perky's list..."

The Perky Ent
WaynetheGoblin
Kitanna
the phantom
Marcolie lamen
Celuien
Gil-Galad
Kuruharan
Glirdan
Eonwe
Boromir88

"Right now I want to hear more from Gil-Galad and Wayne. I think Dancing Spawn brings up some good points against Marcolie and am interested in hearing more from him (right?)"

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Yet, if we all start yelling at each other, as innocents, it is far easier for the wolves to hide. When you are crying out, trying to get as much said as possible, it's far easier for the wolves to find something they can use against you, than when you stay silent and only say those things that make sense. I think you are underestimating us now. What we say and what we think may be two different things. And it's not babbling we want to hear but some reasonable opinions.

If people step forth only to say that they're confused or that they feel sorry for Wilwa, we get nowhere.

By and large, go for the seconders, make decisions without showing feeling. I second that. :p I have troubles understanding everything Angurel says but he's clearly no novice in this kind of things. I'm going to keep myself out of theories and possibilities, and mourn Wilwa like a sister. Hmmm... I'd prefer something more helpful.

[Glirdan]

Glirdan finally snapped back into reality and decided to join in the conversations. "Thank you Boro." he said as Boro brought him another drink. "Even though I've been deep in thought, I have still heard all of your conversation and I'm quite surprised with Kuru. Why do you only care about the money? We are all in grave danger! And you are being overly defnesive in my opinion. You hae definetly become higher on my suspicon list."

Originally Posted by The Ent who be Perky
But yes, time is always against us. But if you, Boromir, are correc then one of the following is a werewolf:

"I quite agree. Someone in that list has to be a wolf. La seul problem est de trouver qui. The only problem is to find out who."

Originally posted by Boro
"Right now I want to hear more from Gil-Galad and Wayne. I think Dancing Spawn brings up some good points against Marcolie and am interested in hearing more from him (right?)"

"Quite agreed. Only sitting there and agreeing with everyone is NOT a good idea. You'll get pinned for being a wolf right away. And I would like to hear more from Gil and Wayne as well. We need to hear from all the quiet people. The only person who HASN'T posted is Zali. Where is Zali? Why isn't she hear?" Glirdan said. He then went back to his french vanilla.

[Kuruharan]

But putting that aside for now, can you explain the logic in bringing more innocents into Tinseltown? I don't know if you realize this, but the less villagers, the better your chances (probability wise, at least) of finding a wolf. It means innocents will die, and wolves can pick people off during the confusion.

*Ahem*

Because it would give us more outs. Don't you see that the fewer villagers there are the closer the werewolves are to victory? As DAYS go by it will (hopefully) become apparent who the werewolves are. Hopefully we will not be in a tremendous state of confusion. However, even if we were, having more villagers would give us more material to work with.

Now, on to real business...


I agree completely. I'd just like to remind you that there's a difference between voting with a majority because you really think someone's quilty and voting with a majority because everyone else is doing so.

Bravo! Whatever happens lets not have people voting for somebody just because others are doing so. One should be convinced by the evidence. (The problem on DAY ONE is that there is no evidence).

"Gil-Galad! You've said little enough since we've been here, other than to bother Kitanna.

Hmm...I too have thought his behavior a bit strange. However, I almost always think his behavior a bit strange. He's been acting acting a bit like a wolf, but I don't know if that means he's a werewolf. He does need watching.

There is one problem, that could also be a vigorous villager wishing to help out for the good of the village.

This is true. I would hope that us innocent villagers would have some solid substance to their statements (hint-hint all us villagers).

"Right now I want to hear more from Gil-Galad and Wayne. I think Dancing Spawn brings up some good points against Marcolie and am interested in hearing more from him (right?)"

I completely agree with this.

[Cailín]

"I quite agree. Someone in that list has to be a wolf. La seul problem est de trouver qui. The only problem is to find out who."

Almost the entire population is on that list... I don't think that will be particularly helpful.

I think you are underestimating us now. What we say and what we think may be two different things. And it's not babbling we want to hear but some reasonable opinions.

If people step forth only to say that they're confused or that they feel sorry for Wilwa, we get nowhere.

I'm underestimating no one, rest assured, but I thought Celuien was a bit too pushy about being vocal. Some people might have nothing more to say than being confused and scared right now and I actually think that's very reasonable behavior in this situation. Not all of us are like the phantom and need a crisis to make the most of ourselves. Though I suppose that would be convenient.

Reasonable opinions? At this stage? Well, I think it's fairly safe to say it's a little early (and too distressing) to be reasonable. But I shall give it my best shot.

Since we shall have to end even this first day by lynching someone, we will have every chance to kill an innocent tonight. As has been said before, but I have quite forgotten by whom in all the confusion, it would neither be wise to

1) Kill someone who seems to make sense in a helpful way, know what they're talking about, makes valid points and has some interesting ideas as to which way we should go about this.
2) Kill someone who has said nothing alarming and whose death would be of little help, information-wise.
3) Vote all for the same person

I have so far failed to put all villagers in either the first or the second category. I have no real suspicions whatsoever. But I think this might be the most sensible way of settling this gruesome affair.

[Cailín]

I completely agree with this.

Well then.

*serves Gil, Wayne and Marcolie another mug of ale*

Speak, gentlemen. ;)

[Boromir88]

Kuru,

Gil-galad is certainly acting odd to me, but it's very possible he's not a wolf as you say. He could just be acting strange.
bah... i felt something special with her ya know? she wasn't like all the other girls ya know? well its all horrible...so Kitanna, what are you doing tonight?~Gil-galad, Post #11
He shows some remorse for Wilwarin, but gets passed it and quickly moves on to Kitanna. This displays that Gil-galad is heartless, and after all Werewolves are heartless too. However, you're right in that Gil-galad could be a heartless werewolf preying on another victim, or simply a heartless person with the only desire to hit on women. Indeed his behavior is always odd. It could just be that he's a womanizer that's only morals are to get women.

[Boromir88]

If no one has heard I'm going to be off at work until 6 pm. It's way to early for me to cast a decision now and vote, I'll be back probably by 6:30 (votings done at 7 for me I think) or so, where I can weigh in on what's been said and make my decision then. Good luck.

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Boro
He shows some remorse for Wilwarin, but gets passed it and quickly moves on to Kitanna. This displays that Gil-galad is heartless, and after all Werewolves are heartless too. However, you're right in that Gil-galad could be a heartless werewolf preying on another victim, or simply a heartless person with the only desire to hit on women. Indeed his behavior is always odd. It could just be that he's a womanizer that's only morals are to get women.

"I honestly don't think there is any harm in Gil. I think he's simply a heartless person who only wants to get women. It is possible he's a wolf but I would suspect Kuru before him." Glirdan said as he drank the rest of his drink. "I'm sorry Kuru but as I've said before, our town was peaceful before you came with the faire. And there was no need to be so defensive when I said we should keep an eye on you. The way you defended yourself was as if you were hiding a dirty, little, furry secret." he said as he turned towards Kuru at her(?) private table.

"I'm sorry folks but I have to step out until late tonight." Boro said as he came in from around back. "You'll have to clear out for the time being."

"Ok my friend. My money's on the table. If you all want to hear more form me, I'll be in the square, contemplating on our desperate situation." With that, Glirdan arose and walked out of the little café.

[the phantom]

I think Dancing Spawn brings up some good points against Marcolie and am interested in hearing more from him (right?)
I agree.
it would neither be wise to...Kill someone who seems to make sense in a helpful way, know what they're talking about, makes valid points and has some interesting ideas as to which way we should go about this.
Which is why I do not believe Spawn should be up for lynching today.

Not that she was under any serious suspicion- but I'm going to be leaving for quite a while and I wanted to make sure before I left and give my opinion on a couple of people who should not be lynched today.

As I said earlier, Kuru should not be lynched. He would make a valuable ally for the village, not to mention he is a strategic thinker like me, and so while he would be tough to spot as a wolf, I think that I would have an easier time spotting him than someone who behaved in a completely random manner, simply because his thought processes are similar to mine.

I would also not lynch Boromir here on this first day. Like Kuru and Spawn, he opens his mouth plenty and so gives away plenty of information to work with. He is a good thinker and has a bit of experience under his belt.

The same goes for Anguirel, though he's not exactly acting helpful so far, what with his bank robbing and all. :p

I believe we should nominate two or three candidates from one of these groups-
1) the crowd that is likely to give us no indication of their thoughts and not say much
2) the crowd that acts in a confusing manner (confusion is a friend of the wolves) and is likely to vote and accuse in an illogical manner

Does this make sense to everyone?

I certainly hope so.

I have things that I need to do now, but I will try and pop in quickly in the early afternoon to see how things are and then again before the voting is over.

[Kuruharan]

First of all, I'm a he (I would think the overabundance of beard would be a dead give away :D )

"Second," Kuruharan turned to address the room, "I'm beginning to wonder about these people who take something that is patently a joke meant to help pass the time and make it the subject of and evidence in repeated statements. There is absolutely no basis for building a case on such a comment that couldn't happen in practical reality anyway. It puts me in mind of something I said earlier of hoping the villagers have some substance to their comments. What Glirdan has been doing is the dictionary definition of 'non-substantive.' I have to ask myself why. I think this is something that everybody should ponder.

Now, I'd like to order my lunch that will look suspiciously like breakfast. French toast, please. And don't skimp on the syrup."

[Glirdan]

Glirdan walked back into the café just as Kuru was finishing his theory. "So, are you all going to start thinking I'm a wolf for, as Kuru kindly put it, giving non-substantive theories?" Glirdan asked the room. "I can tell you now and for a fact that I'm innocent. Of course the only way you'd be able to find that out would be to lynch me, but then you'd all be terribly sorry because you would have lynched one of your own. I have no actual evidence that you are a wolf," he said to Kuru. " Who here has evidence that any of us is a wolf, unless it be the Seer. But we have to start somewhere and the best place to start is to go back to when all the trouble began, which was when you came with your faire." He then turned to Cailin. "Give me something stronger than my usual please." Everyone stared at him as he went and sat in the cornere of the café.

[Celuien]

I've been working on a list of villagers whom I think we should not lynch toDAY, and it looks pretty similar to the phantom's, with the addition of The Perky Ent, who seems like he's being pretty genuine.

Categories are as follows:

Either most likely innocent or otherwise good to keep around for now:
the phantom
Anguirel
Boromir88
Kuru
Dancing Spawn
The Perky Ent

Talkative villagers I'm not sure what to think of yet:
Glirdan
Calin
Márcolië
Lalaith
Kitanna

Villagers who haven't said enough to sway me in either direction:
Gil-Galad
Eonwe
Wayne the Goblin
Azaelia

I think that accounts for everyone.

From the second list, I'm most inclined to suspect Glirdan. His comments struck me the same way as they did Kuru, especially since I think would be unwise to eliminate Kuru so early. However, I'm not particularly inclined to vote for him yet just on the basis of those comments. We're all stabbing in the dark right now, which is why I don't find the accusation cause for that much alarm.

Gil-Galad could merely be a "heartless womanizer" but it strikes me as odd that he hasn't replied to my questions yet. I'm awaiting his response...

[Kitanna]

Of those who have spoken I'm trying to decide how to view Gil. He is acting strangely, but he's always acting strangely so it is hard to decide if it is his usual strangeness or a new strangeness brought on my nightly changes...mmmmm.

Celuien, your idea for making people speak up is both good and bad. If people have more to say in their posts rather then just a sentence or two then it can be easier to spot a wolf. However ig everyone just posts and they really say very little in their posts the chances of lynching an innocent instead of a wolf are high. I would like to hear more from Wayne and Gil of those who have already posted and also I want to see what those who haven't posted have to say. (or has everyone posted already?)

That said. I defiantly think phantom, Kuru, and Boromir should be kept alive for the time being. They are all intelligent people and can be very helpful, provided they're not wolves. It's better to watch them for a couple of days before sending them to the gallows.

[Glirdan]

Originally posted by Kitanna
That said. I defiantly think phantom, Kuru, and Boromir should be kept alive for the time being.

"Yes, I agree with keeping Boro and phantom around. As I've already said, something that phantom said really made me see his innocence.

I think it's about time I killed them- or at least die trying. I will regain my lost honor."

I spotted something in there that made me think of something. Give a wink if you caught it to. Anyway, I'm not to trustworthy of Kuru. I know there's not enough evidence to accuse him, I just have a gut feeling that he's not to be trusted.

I would like to hear more from Wayne and Gil of those who have already posted and also I want to see what those who haven't posted have to say. (or has everyone posted already?)

Agreed once again. We need to hear more from these two. Wayne's only said something once and it wasn't exactly helpful. Gil's barely said anything either, and he's been sitting next to you this entire time!!! Zali's the only one who's been silent. I wonder why???...." Glirdan said as he trailed off into thought.

[Cailín]

Cailín pondered out loud while mixing an exceptionally strong cocktail for poor Glirdan...

"I must say all theories up till now seem a little non-substantive. You can never make a good argument without evidence, and we don't even seem to have clear reasons to suspect each other. The phantom suggests - to say it in a more brutal manner - to get rid of all stupid people first. But people we already find convincing today will have a far easier time deceiving us as this tragedy develops. I do quite agree with him, though (I never thought I'd be caught agreeing with the local drunk), but just because today, there seems to be little else we can do."

She kindly offered Celuien a glass of wine as well.

"Your list, dear frog-keeper, does not really reflect my ideas. Aside from the fact that I'd like to keep myself around - if only to get everyone else drunk - Lalaith would also be one of the people who has not said anything substantial yet. And why all such fans of Anguirel, who has done nothing more than attempt to rob us of our precious savings? But still, you are the first of us to actually make a list, which I suppose is only to be praised."

She casts a quick glance at Gil.

"Already our womanizer is under a lot of suspicion, especially by the -well- women. Are we sure this is not plain annoyance or jealousy? I must say I find Glirdan to be really too aggressive towards Kuru, but I think it's just a slight case of xenophobia."

She cleared her throat.

"Well, as you can see, I am not accusing anyone just yet. I intend to wait for responses of those who are under suspicion already and then vote for someone completely out of the blue. If the wolves are surprised by the voting behavior of the villagers, they are more likely to slip up in the hope to save one of their fellows."

[The Perky Ent]

Yes, it is rather odd for Gil-Galad to suddenly be posting little to nothing. But all the same, he hasn't struck me either way. I defiantly think phantom, Kuru, and Boromir should be kept alive for the time being. They are all intelligent people and can be very helpful, provided they're not wolves. May Eru be with us if they are! Even if visibility gives them a way to attack an innocent, at least the attack gives the others something to go on too. At first glance, it sounded like something a wolf would say, but reading the full paragraph, i see her(?) point. Also...


Also, notice how Perky Doesn't deny his(?) chance of being a werebeast. If he(?) knew himself(?) to be innocent why would he(?) include himself in the list?... though it is too early to be drawing any conclusions from anything.

Now, is it a werewolf throwing out suspicousions away from himself, or just an idea that wasn't thought out very well? Anguirel doesn't strike me as a werewolf. IMO, I think he's the ranger (ironic twist?), though Phantom seems to have taken the job of town defender, as his copious information sways us all. Just some little thoughts I wanted to jott down :D

[The Perky Ent]

think it's about time I killed them- or at least die trying. I will regain my lost honor."

As Glirdan brings up, he seems innocent. He sertainly has been very helpful, and none of us would want to see him die. However, this is after all, a game of lying and deception. If the Phantom is really a werewolf, he certainly plays it well, as non of us seem to suspect him. That's why I brought up the quote. It's convincing. Too convicing. But, despite that, I have no intention of lynching Phantom for the time being. I shall have to meditate on it!

[Celuien]

"Thank you for the wine, Cailin. It's very good.

I can summarize the rational behind my points in one sentence, Perky and Cailin: We can't make theories without data anymore than we can make bricks without clay. And the only way to get said data is to have a conversation. Nothing wolvish about it.

And I think my entire paragraph should be re-quoted, just so there's no confusion.


What I mean is that we've all got to come out with some ideas and force the wolves to do the same so that at least it gives us something to go on to find them. Even if visibility gives them a way to attack an innocent, at least the attack gives the others something to go on too. Who led or bandwagoned against a vocal and potentially wolf-endangering innocent? As opposed to charging against a quieter villager, which doesn't give us as much information to analyze since it's harder to figure out motives behind the choice. I'm willing to take the chance of being accused and, yes, even lynched, if it gives us something to go after the wolves on.

To clarify, if the wolves use vocalness as a reason to launch an attack and that leads to a lynching, at least we as villagers have more data to form a theory than we would have if they had attacked a silent one.

I know that there are reasons other than wolvishness to lay low, and I'm keeping that in mind."

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Please, people, let the wolves do their own thinking. Do not say who you think to be gifted villagers. Unless... but it's too dangerous and a little unfair, too.

"So, are you all going to start thinking I'm a wolf for, as Kuru kindly put it, giving non-substantive theories?" Glirdan asked the room. "I can tell you now and for a fact that I'm innocent. Of course the only way you'd be able to find that out would be to lynch me, but then you'd all be terribly sorry because you would have lynched one of your own. Little snappish, are we? Innocent villagers don't have to defend themselves so furiously. Hmm. I'm not completely contented with Glirdan's behaviour.

[Lalaith]

Good people of Tinseltown, is it really such a good idea to be discussing or hinting at who you think may be gifted among us? Remember that some of us are not what they seem and could use this information in their deadly night-time work.

I agree that vocal people are more useful than silent ones. But I also think that innocents will be seeking to clarify and wolves to confuse. So I, for one, will be more suspicious of those whose posts confuse me.

[Glirdan]

Little snappish, are we? Innocent villagers don't have to defend themselves so furiously. Hmm. I'm not completely contented with Glirdan's behaviour.

"I would beg to differ with that. Innocent villagers who fear for their lives do have to defend themselves so furiously. I will not sit here and take being accused idly. I am sure you would have done the same. If you are not contented with my behaviour, then vote for me. Now, tell me, would a wolf tell you to vote for him?" he turned to Cailin. "Thank you my dear. Could I have another, or anything stornger if you have it?"

[Lalaith]

*points up* - double-posted with dancing spawn.

Clearly we are thinking along the same lines, Madam Spawn.

[The Perky Ent]

Now, tell me, would a wolf tell you to vote for him

Don't think of it as such an obvious answer. The minds of the wolves three work in many ways. Who knows what they ponder in their mind's eye. As stated before Confusion is a friend of the wolves They want us to be confused, so that we might wrongly accuse. Of course, if someone stole my hypothetital t-shirt and danced around Tinseltown (My hypothetital T-shirt says : I'm a WEREWOLF! LYNCH ME, PLEASE!!! (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=414665&postcount=41) . That was my retorical responce to why I added myself to the list of suspects) , they woudl be heavily investigated. I would really like to hear from Boromir about his suspicions!

[Glirdan]

*points up* - double-posted with dancing spawn.

Clearly we are thinking along the same lines, Madam Spawn.

"Who's post would you be pointing to Lalaith?" Glirdan asked. "It would seem like you are pointing to me and saying the same thing about me as Spawn. Are you?"

[Kitanna]

"I would beg to differ with that. Innocent villagers who fear for their lives do have to defend themselves so furiously. I will not sit here and take being accused idly. I am sure you would have done the same. If you are not contented with my behaviour, then vote for me. Now, tell me, would a wolf tell you to vote for him?"

Defending yourself so furiously only makes people think you are hiding something from the rest of us. It is dangerous to defend yourself too much just as it is too defend yourself too little. It makes people wonder, Glirdan.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

"I would beg to differ with that. Innocent villagers who fear for their lives do have to defend themselves so furiously. I will not sit here and take being accused idly. I am sure you would have done the same. If you are not contented with my behaviour, then vote for me. Now, tell me, would a wolf tell you to vote for him?" Well, we just have to agree to disagree, then. And yes, that's what a wolf could say.

Clearly we are thinking along the same lines, Madam Spawn. So it seems. If you have any theories, I'd be interested to hear them. Actually, this concerns everyone.

You know, there are people who have talked less than Wilwa and she's dead... :rolleyes:

[The Perky Ent]

And yet, for some reason, despite his many suspicions, I do not think Glirdan is a werewolf. Just a grumpy ordo. I shall have to look closer into post from now on, as we draw closer to a decision

[Glirdan]

Defending yourself so furiously only makes people think you are hiding something from the rest of us. It is dangerous to defend yourself too much just as it is too defend yourself too little. It makes people wonder, Glirdan.

Yes, I know I am being rather hot headed but I am defending myself as I see fit. I can't exactly prove to you that I'm innocent unless the Seer decides to reveal himself/herself or I get lynched or attacked during the night. But I am telling you, I'm innocent and if you want to get the wolves I suggest you look at people other than me. What about those who've said to much or to little? What about Zali, Wayne and Gil?" he said turning to look at the other villagers in turn. "We need to get more say from those three. We've still heard nothing from and no deffense from Gil or Wayne and there's only 6 hours and 41 minutes left before we have to decide." he said as he trailed back into thought.

[The Perky Ent]

Call me crazy, but I've got an inner feeling that Zali is innocent. I don't think a wolf (though they may be quiet) would be entirly silent. I think we can just stick zali off to the side, assuming there is no more talk from him. Killing him would be a waste of a day, and just wouldn't help us at all. As for Wayne...well...who knows?

[Lalaith]

"Who's post would you be pointing to Lalaith?" Glirdan asked. "It would seem like you are pointing to me and saying the same thing about me as Spawn. Are you?"

You're being a bit paranoid and twitchy, teacher dear. I was actually pointing at Spawn's post, saying that we both posted the same thing, I was writing my post while hers appeared.
Incidently, you were not the only one to discuss possible gifteds: our spicy experimenter, Mr Perky, also did so.

[Glirdan]

You're being a bit paranoid and twitchy, teacher dear. I was actually pointing at Spawn's post, saying that we both posted the same thing, I was writing my post while hers appeared.
Incidently, you were not the only one to discuss possible gifteds: our spicy experimenter, Mr Perky, also did so.

"You'd be a little paranoid as well if everyone kept accusing you of being a wolf. I was just checking to see if you were or not."

[The Perky Ent]

Spicy? You got the spicy platter? I'm so very sorry. That plate was meant for Gil-Galad. You were suppost to get the roasted chestnuts and sherry. Very sorry indeed!

Incidently, you were not the only one to discuss possible gifteds: our spicy experimenter, Mr Perky, also did so.


Can you elaborate on that a little. I think by gifteds, you mean werewolves, but i'm not entirely sure as to what's going on at the moment. Maybe i've been using too much parsnip.

EDIT: Wow. Three pages and not a single lynch yet. Me thinks this will be a very interesting game :D

[Kitanna]

Glirdan's nervousness is making me nervous. He posts a lot, and I do mean a lot, but much of the time he is saying very little. Glirdan, you do not have to defend yourself after every post that makes mention of you. When day started I had no real reason to suspect you, but the more you act like this, the more likely I am to find reason to vote for you.

As for Wayne, Zali, and Gil, I really hope they post soon. Especially Wayne and Zali. Wayne has posted once right after Wilwa's death and it didn't give us much to go on. And Zali hasn't posted at all.

[Celuien]

Can you elaborate on that a little. I think by gifteds, you mean werewolves, but i'm not entirely sure as to what's going on at the moment. Maybe i've been using too much parsnip.


Gifteds = Seer/Ranger/Hunter

Where are Wayne, Gil and Azaelia...

[Kuruharan]

Believe it or not, at this moment I'm actually inclined to think that Glirdan might just be an innocent with a rather flimsy grasp of how to carry on. That is just an instinct though. Careful watching of that one is required, although I'm not inclined to vote for him at the moment.

Whatever we do, let's not lynch Zali today. From what I've read and heard it would be extremely unusual for a werewolf not to interact at all with the intended victims on the first DAY. I'm pretty sure all three wolves are among us right now, but even if Zali is one of them, she can be kept until later. Besides, if she keeps this up she may buy it anyway.

Unfortunately, these thoughts lead me back to exactly nowhere. "Evidence" is far too strong a word for what is against Gil-Galad at the moment. Wayne is...well, Wayne.

As for everyone else, well...nobody else has really done anything too weird, but don't trust anyone. I don't object to suspicion cast in my direction (or anybody else's), just so long as there is some semblance of a rational basis for it. Unfortunately, it is DAY ONE and there is little rational basis for anything.

[The Perky Ent]

Where are wayne, gil and azalea?

Once again, remember the time issue. For some peole, wherever they may be, it could be night. Some people may still be asleep. Others might have things to do but will be on for the voting. Just something to keep in mind (again)

And for those gifted, would this included the cursed?

[Kuruharan]

And for those gifted, would this included the cursed?

Not exactly.

Speaking of The Perky Ent...

...some of his behavior might be construed as an attempt to beat some of the Gifteds out of the bush.

However, at the moment I'm not inclined to think he's guilty either.

[The Perky Ent]

Yes it would seem that way, wouldn't it? I'm just trying to get a hold on who's who as fast as I can, so that I can end this wolfish nightmare! ***slips between First person Real Life and 3rd Person RPG style*** Sorry for the confusion. According to my clock (which i've been having trouble wish), we have around 6 hours to find a coulpret. Still, it is too early to make acusasions. If only more would speak up. Like someone said before, I don't think Glirdan is a werewolf, but merely someone who is caught up in the confusion. Kitanna is starting to register on my radar. She seems too...well...maybe too rash. I'm not sure :D I need more chicken. Now let's see... *delves into "An Expert Guide in Experimental Cooking*

[Márcolië Lamen]

I am currently extreemly mad at my keyboard because I typed up a really long response then it disappeared from the page back key, retyped it, and had the same thing happen so sorry if this is rushed.


Márcolië doesn't really say anything in her two first posts. In her third post she just agrees with Perky that there are people who have not posted yet. She says that those people aren't helping enough. How have you helped, my dear? At this point you hadn't come forth with any theories.

Yes, I have not yet helped the village. I look forward to being able to do so, and will try to now that they is more to reflect upon. I hope, and will do whatever I can to help my esteemed neighbors catch the fiends amoung us friends.



Márcolië posts often but says very little and she's being very careful. Look at her last post, for example. First Márcolië says something but then she starts to hesitate. There's no need to be so shy to make some solid arguments. I think that's rather obvious, don't you think? :)

I would see more with that argument if it had not been about midnight as I was making these posts ;). The inability to sleep combined with the lack of sleep caused my brain to think in extremely hard to understand and vocalize ways.


Upon the fact of those I'd like to see more Zali, Wayne, and Gil come to mind. Silence in itself is suspicious.

Though I feel Zali not posting would be too risky of a strategy for a wolf, so I feel she isn't the one to lynch...especially since there is nothing against her yet.

I have no ideas yet upon who I should be suspicious of. We are all going to be suspicious of each other until this dies out, but hopefully we'll manage to catch the wolves in the act.

Sorry this has nothing much in it, but I think I'm going to give up and switch computers because I just almost lost everything I typed again.

[The Perky Ent]

"Me cother de cotheri deri Gadi." indeed! We are all secretly Gadi inside. For some reason, the three people that are on "everyone's" to-do list (Gil, Wayne, Azalea), are those which I do not suspect. They just seem too low for the radar. These werewolves will probably want to get in good with the town, so less people suspect them. For example, imagine if Kuruharan, Phantom, and Boromir were the wolves! Imagine! I'm not trying to insinuate anything, i'm just saying that the werewolves (in my opinion) will have one loud speaker, a moderate speaker, and a moderate/quiet speaker.

[Glirdan]

"I'd rather not imagine that Perky my friend. It is to horrible to think. But I agree with the fact that Gil, Zali and Wayne are probably innocent, but we can't dimiss the fact that they have barely (or in Zali's case) or not posted at all. It is still possible that they are the wolves." Glirdan said. He then turned to Cailin, but she wasn't there. "She must be around back" Glirdan thought. "I'll just call to her." "Oh Cailin!!! Could you get me another one of those cocktails or perhaps something stronger!?!?"

[Márcolië Lamen]

For example, imagine if Kuruharan, Phantom, and Boromir were the wolves! Imagine!

That would be scary... not that this isn't currently, but with all three of them managing to be those we seem to be trusting most at this moment.


Reading through everything again, only suspicious post I have found was:

I'm going to keep myself out of theories and possibilities, and mourn Wilwa like a sister.


It just seems too un-helpful to keep out of theories, because every theory may have some value. What we least expect may be what's going on, and everyone helping look out for things will help weed out, or at least list, more theories to help us rid ourselves of those wrongdoers in the town. The only reason to be doing so is so not to cast even more confusion upon us. ...it is almost too out there saying look I'm not posting for a wolf, but an innocent wouldn't have a reason to do so at all because we can't go farther down now except losing even more of our villagers to these evil fiends. Any ideas from an innocent's mind could help us extremely later on.

[Cailín]

"All right, all right. You cannot expect me to work 24/7 now, huh?"

She looked glaringly at Glirdan.

"And maybe, dear teacher, it would be wise for you to stay away from the liquor for a little while. Not everyone is really eager to trust you right now and getting more drunk and babbly will certainly not help you. Just ale for you, then."

---

i'm just saying that the werewolves (in my opinion) will have one loud speaker, a moderate speaker, and a moderate/quiet speaker.

That is, if I remember correctly, not just your opinion. Anyway, we cannot know this. It's a very sensible possibility, as you can divide the whole town in these three categories and they will all have about an equal number of representatives.

She (Kitanna) seems too...well...maybe too rash. I'm not sure I need more chicken. Now let's see...

Where does she seem too rash? I have not seen anyone acting rashly today.

I'm starting to become a bit wary concerning you, Perky. You seem a little overly helpful and repetitive. But maybe you are one of those people who seem to blossom during a crisis.

[Cailín]

That would be scary... not that this isn't currently, but with all three of them managing to be those we seem to be trusting most at this moment.

Ho! I am not trusting anyone, least of all the people you just named. There's a world of difference between trusting someone and thinking it unwise to vote for them - at least on Day 1. ;)

[Celuien]

I've just received an urgent message to go to the next village. It seems that my expertise in the care of ill frogs is needed at the West Tinseltown Amphibian Aquarium this evening, so I'll have to be heading over there in about two hours and will be kept there indefinitely.

All of which means that I'll have to be one of the earlier voters toDAY...

[Kuruharan]

I'm not a werewolf so this reputed "Kuruharan, phantom, Boromir88" triad is already burst. Can't speak for the phantom or Boromir though, and I don't trust them either.

In the realm of poking around in order to be annoying:

Cailín and Celuien (I should call them the two Cs or something) bear watching, if for no other reason that they are so bland and have not attracted any attention. They make me uneasy and one (although probably not both {even though that might be possible}) might very well be a werewolf.

Also I think Márcolië Lamen may be on to something in finding Anguirel unhelpfulness to be...unhelpful.

[The Perky Ent]

Well...i'm not a werewolf either. I'm sure that helps. *insert sarcasm here* I think it is possible that one of the two C's are werewolves. I'm gonna try and get closer to a verdict on some people. Kuruharan was, in the beginning, at the top of my radar, but now he's starting to bounch back and forth from my suspicions. The thought of Boromir being a werewolf scares me. Kitaana seems a little hostile, as does Glirdan. I'm gonna have to read through this thread one more time. And yes, I probably am comming off as repetitive and overly helpful. I'll cut back on the turkey :cool:

[Cailín]

In the realm of poking around in order to be annoying:

Cailín and Celuien (I should call them the two Cs or something) bear watching, if for no other reason that they are so bland and have not attracted any attention. They make me uneasy and one (although probably not both {even though that might be possible}) might very well be a werewolf.


This might actually be a strategy I'd approve of. They're dull, let's accuse them? Maybe they spend all their excitingness at night?

Honestly, Kuru, I cannot defend myself in any other way than you just did yourself. I am not a wolf. I'm really a no-special girl here. Celuien alarmed me right from the beginning though, because of his (or is it her?) insisting to be as loud as possible. Even though it looks like he makes valid points in this discussion, he's mostly just repeating the phantom, spawn and some others he listed as valuable. Not that I think we should all vote for him, nor do I really suspect him. I'll just be watching closely.

Zali's absense is beginning to disturb me. Maybe she has been eaten, too? :eek:

[Glirdan]

"I'm sorry my dear Cailin. I'm still distraught because of Wilwa's death and the task that is laid before us. The ale will be fine. It is a sad thing that Celuien has to leave already, before we could even determine anything certain." Glirdan said shaking his head in dismay.

[/QUOTE]Ho! I am not trusting anyone, least of all the people you just named. There's a world of difference between trusting someone and thinking it unwise to vote for them - at least on Day 1.[/QUOTE]

"The only person that I trust out of that trio would be phantom. I have a gut feeling that he's innocent. I really don't have any suspicions anymore. I can't see Kuru be a wolf now. But I don't know whom to vote for. I wish Zali, Gil and Wayne would say something to help me choose who...." Glirdan trailed off into thought once more.

[Glirdan]

"The only thing I can say in my defense like all the rest of you is to say that I'm not a wolf. I've said it before asn I just said it again. But that's all I can say. I don't think we should just be watching one or two people, but everyone. And where is Zali? Maybe Cailin's right. What if she did get eaten......"

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Márcolië, your answer makes you look more innocent to me but I know that you're wise enough not to make a fuss about my accusations, especially after people have pointed out that Glirdan's self defense seemed a bit too heated. So, I'm still keeping an eye on you - just like on everyone else, too.

I don't have much time left before I have to go. I think it's unfair that we may have to cast our votes without hearing of everybody. I understand that some people have unpredictable problems and therefore can't show up but still... *some muttering about commitment*

[Gil-Galad]

many forgiveness for my quietness, i totally forgot about this thread... but i'm merely falling into my character role, if i was a wolf unthusiast one WW game, would lynch me because of that? so it is rather unfair to lynch someone based on their character role

[Kitanna]

many forgiveness for my quietness, i totally forgot about this thread... but i'm merely falling into my character role, if i was a wolf unthusiast one WW game, would lynch me because of that? so it is rather unfair to lynch someone based on their character role
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I wsn't planning on lynching you for your character role. I think your silence is what throws most people off.
Kitanna seems a little hostile
Perky, could you tell me what I said to make you think that?

[the phantom]

I have no time to post, so I'll make this quick.

Since we have no evidence, don't vote off the strategists today- they could be useful, especially if they're gifted.

Second, make a pool of your four primary suspects (for instance, right now it might be Gil, Zali, Glirdan, and Wayne who are being talked about the most), and then divide your votes between them, keeping the totals as close as possible so that the outcome is up in the air- but you probably want to avoid a double lynching.

That's all I have time to say.

Good luck.

[Boromir88]

I got good news, I'm back earlier than I thought I'd be. Well mostly because I was supposed to work at this start of the hockey season celebration party...I got there, got everything set up to go, and turns out boss said I could go that we had plenty of help. So, I'm back, and I will read through the posts to catch up on what's been happening.

P.S., on something totally unrelated, Glirdan if you wish to go ahead and do the votes for the LOTR survivor you still may do so, as that was plan. If not just tell me and I'll do it. :)

[Celuien]

I'm not leaving just yet. There's still a vote to be made and I'm not going anywhere until I cast mine.

I'm not planning to vote for Gil-Galad. My early call to him was totally random and only calculated to get a response, which I see he has now given. Nor will I vote for Zali or Wayne. They simply haven't given me enough to go on.

Cailin is starting to make me uneasy, mostly because she seems determined to cast suspicion in my direction. Not to beat a dead horse, but the only thing Cailin has to accuse me of is asking everyone to participate in the discussion, and she seems to keep pressing the issue even though I've clarified and explained my position multiple times. I also found this strange:

But still, you are the first of us to actually make a list, which I suppose is only to be praised.

Backhanded praise if ever I saw it. I'd also like to point out that there were a few lists out there at the time, although mine was the first to have categories. I'm also curious to know how she reconciles the statement that I'm the first to do anything with her later statement

Even though it looks like he makes valid points in this discussion, he's mostly just repeating the phantom, spawn and some others he listed as valuable.

I am a she, by the way.

Finally, I'm not opposed to being a touchpoint for discussion - that was part of the point of my call for loudmouths. :rolleyes:

[Kuruharan]

Please, people, let's not lynch Zali toDAY. Wolves have spoken this DAY. Let's try to concentrate on them.

I have an idea forming in my beady little brain...but it is not safe for me to mention yet. In fact, it may have to wait until DAY TWO (if I make it that far).

[Boromir88]

Ok I've looke through the posts and here's my further thoughts.

I agree with Kuru in that we should not decide to lynch Azaelia today. I think there's probably some reasoning for her not being here, other than she's a wolf. I think we should keep her on our watch list, but seeing as she's not here right now and we haven't heard from her, I'm in no position so say she's a wolf.

For example, imagine if Kuruharan, Phantom, and Boromir were the wolves! Imagine! I'm not trying to insinuate anything~Perky
No offense taken, it's a reasonable feeling. You want to trust those who try to get things figured out and see who our culprits are. I hope my innocence will be shown in the days to come.

I don't know the reason behind Kuru and phantom in trying to steer opinion, but mine is quite simple. We need to find what the wolves strategies are and I'm trying to help in doing that. I simply offering ideas in what possibly wolves would do, you may either take it or leave it. And I suggest that if you think you got better ideas than please bring them up. Working as a colaborate group can get us through this.

Now my thoughts of course anyone could be a werewolf, you can't trust anyone at this point. Only the Seer can find out who's innocent and who's not. But here's what I think so far.

I'm not too suspicious of Perky, Phantom, Kuru, or Spawn at this point. My reasoning is I don't think the wolves would jump out of the gate early. I think they would tend more to lay back and try to sort of tag along to people, as long as they aren't the one's being suspected or are in danger. Though, I'm not saying none of the above aren't wolves, but right now I feel pretty safe that the ones above aren't wolves.

As I said, I think wolves would like to tag along in the beginning. Not saying much, just kind of going along with what everyone says. Now the problem is these could be wolves tagging along, or could be a villager that buy's into what others say. So right now, a little more suspicious, yet nothing really concrete or definite...

Kitanna
Lalaith
Celuien
Cailin
Azaelia
Marcolie, I buy what she has recently said as of right now.

So that leaves Gil-galad, Wayne, and Glirdan. These right now our my most suspicious, and even if they are, it does not mean they're a guaranteed lock for my vote. There's still a lot of day left and this early on I'm unsure about anything. For reasons I've stated prior and others that have been said.

Ok, that catches up on what I think about the events when I was gone.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I simply cannot wait any longer. I'm irritated because I can't be around until the nightfall but no can do.

If you are not contented with my behaviour, then vote for me. Well, I must do what I'm told to do.

++GLIRDAN

Seriously, we have less material than what I had hoped. Everyone else should vote in a way that seems best to them though I agree with Kuru that voting for Azaelia might be waste of time and blood.

Okay, that's all. May the force be with you or something.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I am sorry I havent posted that much I had to go to church.I have no suspicons yet but I growing more and more sucpicous of gil.Why because of he post he put he was sad about wilwa then he started talking about kitana.

[Márcolië Lamen]

I agree with all of those saying that Zali shouldn't be lynched yet. She hasn't said anything either way so on the first day she shouldn't be the one lynched unless it is necessary.

Looking through the list of people some jump out as to those who have posted alot...and noticable posts....bolded

1.Anguirel
2.Azealia of Willowbottom
3.Boromir88
4.Cailìn
5.Celuien
6.Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
7.Eonwe
8.Gil-Galad
9.Glirdan
10.Kitanna
11.Kuruharan
12.Lalaith
13.Márcolië Lamen--obviously I recognize myself posting so not saying anything.
14.The Perky Ent
15.the phantom
16.WaynetheGoblin

I think at least one of these who are here the most is a wolf, out of the idea of keeping one active and others not so much so.

At the same time, I think at least one of the others is also a wolf.

Those italisized are those who according to others have been really tagging along so far. These are slightly suspicious actions always. Again, I think one is a wolf. I'm including myself even though I know myself to be innocent because otherwise I fit in the catagory.

Underlining those I am slightly more suspicious than the others, especially for a first day... these reasons include


Anguirel- unhelpfulness
Cailìn and Celuien- manage to be bland but also argue. Seems like they could be working together or one could be taking advantage of the other
Glirdan-strong defence of self, seems to be jumping at oppertunities
WaynetheGoblin- low apperence


Nothing about who I'm voting for is locked up but here is my thoughts as of now.

Because it is the first day its important to keep all those strong stratagists I think, its worth risking they're a wolf for at least one night because its a pull out of the hat and if they're villagers then they're the most helpful later on.

Beyond that, no ideas on who to vote to lynch, lets see how it plays out...too bad we must lynch one of our own before having idea of who it is doing this atrocity to us, unless we can manage to find one we'll just be bringing our own numbers down, and this seems too likely tonight.

edit: just mentioning cross-posted with spawn and wayne

[Celuien]

I don't have time to wait anymore.

++CAILIN

I'm sure this will make me look terrible if she is lynched and found innocent, but I have to go with my instinct here.

And let me say one thing. If I were a wolf, I wouldn't have made myself as prominent as I have. It's too dangerous a position to be in. Just look at the number of people who have now included me on their high suspicion list.

At least I don't think I'm being bland.

[Kitanna]

I see dancing spawn has choosen to vote for Glirdan which I hope no one will hold against me as I cast my vote...
++ Glirdan

I voiced earlier today that I found his often fiery defense a little unnerving. Whenever someone mentioned him as one of their suspects he would jump on it in minutes crying his innocence from the mountain. It seems strange to me that an innocent would do something like that. There is nothing wrong with a person saying they are innocent, but one well thought out defense should be enough on Day One.

Also Glirdan posts often (not as often as others though) but unlike the other people who post often he says little. I believe he had one relatively helpful post in the middle, but most of his others have been "I'm innocent!" "Don't lynch me because I am innocent!" and "How can you accuse me like this?" Quite frankly it has me worried.

Maybe he is just a paranoid villager or maybe he's a paranoid wolf. There's only one way to find out and I have a gut feeling he's a wolf.

[Lalaith]

Hmmm...I too find Glirdan's defensiveness suspicious but I've taken on board all the advice about not bandwaggoning. What I've noticed also is a bit of a Perky/Glirdan alliance. So, spreading the votes according to approved village strategy:

++Perky Ent

[The Perky Ent]

Time to jump on the Glirdan band wagon. Just kidding. Unlike Kitanna and Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant, I think that Glirdan is merely just at the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong things. He does not strike me as one of the lupine, but just someone who got off on the wrong foot. My suspicion of Boromir grew when I heard I don't know the reason behind Kuru and phantom in trying to steer opinion, but mine is quite simple. We need to find what the wolves strategies are and I'm trying to help in doing that. I simply offering ideas in what possibly wolves would do, you may either take it or leave it. And I suggest that if you think you got better ideas than please bring them up. Working as a colaborate group can get us through this.

Seems pretty fair. But at the same time, do we want to place our future in the hands of what could be a powerful trio? I keep seeing the image of a Wolf jump from behind a cafe counter and terrorize the villagers. At the same time, I believe strategy is a key part of this game, and if we are lost, there is little hope. I'm not moving either way in terms of Boromir, Phantom, and Kuruharan. I'm just going to keep a close eye on them. Wayne and Marcolie I believe are nothing more than ordos. If you are not contented with my behaviour, then vote for me. Hmm...wait a minute. Could there be a hidden message? I'm fairly confident that Glirdan will not survive the terrors of Tinseltown alive. However, after reading his statement about killing him if you dont' like him, I thought of something. What if he wants to die? Well why would anyone want to die? Here's a thought (hypothetical, of course): Glirdan is the cursed villager. He's a nice person, and he want's to be lynched so he doesn't end up killing us all. It's a stretch, but always a possibility. Well, I must b e off. Eru willing, i will be back before 6.

[Kitanna]

Here's a thought (hypothetical, of course): Glirdan is the cursed villager.
The cursed villager doesn't know they're cursed and even so lynching the cursed villager will yield nothing. They die and that's that. It only works when the wolves kill them during the night.
So even if Glirdan was the cursed villager he wouldn't want the village to lynch him.

[Lalaith]

Perky, a point of information: the cursed villager doesn't know that he's cursed.

[Cailín]

Cailin is starting to make me uneasy, mostly because she seems determined to cast suspicion in my direction. Not to beat a dead horse, but the only thing Cailin has to accuse me of is asking everyone to participate in the discussion, and she seems to keep pressing the issue even though I've clarified and explained my position multiple times.

I have no intention at all to cast suspicion in your direction particularly, but more away from me. Not because I'm a hiding wolf, but because I'm an innocent who does not want to be lynched yet, because I think I might be able to help out.

I do not keep pressing the issue, which I am sure you concluded from what I said as a reaction to Kuru. I only meant this is why I found you alarming at first, and why I from then onwards kept a close eye on you. I understand this seems harsh if you are indeed innocent. It's only too easy to suspect those who suspect ourselves.

But still, you are the first of us to actually make a list, which I suppose is only to be praised.

Backhanded praise if ever I saw it. I'd also like to point out that there were a few lists out there at the time, although mine was the first to have categories. I'm also curious to know how she reconciles the statement that I'm the first to do anything with her later statement

It was meant as praise indeed. I thought it to be a bold move for a wolf to categorise so soon, so even though I suspected you at first, I did not quite find you as wolfish here as I did before.

I did ask whether you were a she ;) Too bad you felt the need to vote for me, so I hope you will really, really regret it when I am lynched and turn out to be innocent.

--

Defenses aside:

Anguirel - very unhelpful up till now. Even if we lynch him and he does not turn out to be a wolf, he probably deserves it anyway, looking at his criminal record.

Azealia of Willowbottom - where are you, sweetie?

Boromir88 - My much beloved boss seems to be smart enough for his own good. The village wants him to live, and I shall not dare arguing with that. Indeed, we need our strategists alive.

Cailín - loveable, trustworthy, what more can I say?

Celuien - Much associated with me at the moment, probably due to the phonetical similarity of our names. Distrusts me, so naturally I am inclined to distrust her. However, I have yet to find anything conclusive against her.

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant - I find myself agreeing with most of her posts. Does that make her innocent?

Eonwe - Too silent. Far too silent.

Gil-Galad - He's acting weird and suspicious, but really, when isn't he? For now, he gets the benefit of the doubt. Womanizer's are always shady characters, by default.

Glirdan - Loud and suspicious. I should not have given him so much to drink. Still, he has already gathered two votes, so I shan't be voting for him, to stay true to the plan we made.

Kitanna - She is not really on my radar yet. Besides, I like cats, too.

Kuruharan - Greedy fellow, but in a smart, sensible way. He called me bland, but seems to share my feelings on lynching Azaelia. Right now, he's not really a candidate for the gallows.

Lalaith - Has not said too much and votes Perky. That sounds reasonable and will not attract much suspicion. Which makes me think it should.

Márcolië Lamen - I was pleasantly surprised by her later words. She seems very eager to get a grasp on the situation and I think we should give her that chance.

The Perky Ent - What can I say, perky? Though I voiced suspicions of him earlier, I do believe he might just be enthusiastic.

the phantom - our resident drunk has really undergone a transformation today. I am anxious to see the decent side of him, so I shall abide by the wishes of my fellow villagers and not start a lynch-the phantom campaign just yet.

WaynetheGoblin - Another one who is too silent. Privilege of the rich, perhaps?

[WaynetheGoblin]

The votes put glirden in the lead.I will pobely vote for hin later.He is one of the biggist posters on this thread.

[Eonwe]

Eonwe - Too silent. Far too silent.

I haven't really had anything to say of any value. wouldn't it look wrose to just start agreeing with everyone? the truth is (maybe im just inexperience or being played for a fool), i havn't really been able to find to much of suspicion from anyone. I think most people (including myself) are playing their cards close to their chests. I don't know if i will vote at all today, because what good is a stab in the dark, especially if you don't even know what general direction your taret lies. We shall see, though.

P.S. The RPG stuff was kind of confusing, i couldn't make out what was jest, in character, and serious stuff :confused:

[Boromir88]

I think my time to vote is drawing near as well. I've had nothing change in my thoughts since the last post, so...

++Gil-galad

He may just be acting odd, but hasn't come out and defended himself and for me seems to be the best choice.

[Eonwe]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

i don't really understand this. people are dropping accusations and suspitions quiet freely. people will say that someone has garnered their suspiciouns, but not really say way (to my mind). could you go into a bit of detail about what makes Gil's behavior suspicions, Boromir? that would maybe help me and everyone else draw their own conclusions about people.

[Cailín]

I shall be forced to leave now and have no idea who to vote for. So...

++ANGUIREL

I have no evidence to accuse you of wolvery, but I think it's safe to say we could accuse you of almost everything else. ;)

[Márcolië Lamen]

I'm not sure if I'll be able to be here after now so I'll vote for

++ANGUIREL

sorry but the reluctance to help seems worlvish to me.

cross posted with cailin

[WaynetheGoblin]

I said not long ago I would vote for glirden and I will ++GLIRDEN He posted alot and now he is not posting at all.

[Kuruharan]

I’ve made a decision. I’m going to vote for

++GIL-GALAD

and thus join Boromir88. This will put pressure on as many people as possible by trying to (hopefully) create as many tie scenarios as possible and hopefully force the werewolves’ hands (or rather paws) in having to make a decision to save one of themselves. I’m not convinced of Gil-Galad’s guilt (far from it, and I don’t trust Boromir88 either), but Gil has been acting funny (even for him) and he might be a wolf.

For future reference…

I am definitely becoming uneasy about these Dueling C’s (their official nickname from now on). Unfortunately, I really don’t have any idea where to go on them for the time being, so I think they were removed from my vote list for toDAY.

Now I’m also growing uneasy about Kitanna. Lalaith has also been in cover most of the DAY. (There! I believe I have suspected just about everybody. That way no matter what happens I’m bound to have been right at some point. ;))

I believe that WaynetheGoblin just voted for Glirdan, although our Moddess may not be happy with his manner.

I believe this brings the score to

Glirdan-3
Cailín-1
Perky Ent-1
Gil-Galad-2
Anguirel-2

[Boromir88]

Eonwe, sure thing...

Post #30 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=414648&postcount=30)

and #55 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=414723&postcount=55)

Is where I've listed my concern for Gil-galad. When I was making my decision on who to vote for it was mostly between Gil-galad or Glirdan. Though Glirdan has been acting very defensive Gil-galad's offered no defense as to why I shouldn't vote for him.

[Boromir88]

Kuru, I'm not convinced either. But, Gil-galad, for me has come off as the most wolfish. Though, it's a decision I don't feel confident in, because of it being early on and not a lot to base your decisions off of.

[Eonwe]

hmmm, no offence, but i don't really see much strangeness in either of those. it sounds more as if he was just playing the role of the womanizer. but that's just my opinion after all.

i guess that i should vote, in accordance with the phantom's plan. but i don't know, i don't really see to much to warent a vote for anyone. we shall see, i have another twenty minutes after all.

[Kuruharan]

...and it helps spread out the range of possibilities.

I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed with the voting. There is like 15 of us (can't remember the exact count at the moment) and only nine of us have voted. I wonder if a wolf or two could be trying to lay low in the voting.

Come on innocents...it is really more helpful to have votes. And don't worry about getting it wrong...life is an exercise in making a fool of yourself.

Now, for dinner I'd like the lasagna with breadsticks.

[the phantom]

Well, I actually made it back in time to vote- but who should I vote for?

Glirdan is already in the lead.

I don't want to vote for Ang or Gil because it could result in a double lynching- and if they're both innocent that would make me look really bad.

I guess I should vote for Perky or Cailin, since they only have one vote.

Nothing personal, Cailin old bean, but I flipped a coin and it said you.

+ + Cailin

[Eonwe]

well, time marches on, and will not be stayed. it sounds as if it were the smart thing for the village to have votes to work with, so i will cast mine.

++Cailín

please remember, i don't really have a suspicion(s) right now, just plying my knife in the dark. come what may.

cross posted with the phantom we use the same logic! (and i should have added :eek: )

[Kuruharan]

...oh dear

[wilwarin538]

Voting is now closed. The lynching might take a while to write since I have a double. *glares at village* And on my first day. :rolleyes:

[The Perky Ent]

Noopoo! I jsut got on!!! Grrr...I wanna vote!!!

If there is any humanity, cause it says 17:59 on my clock

++Gil-Galad


[b]Edit: Grr...my vote wound't matter anyway. :'( I'm going to cry for the next day.

[wilwarin538]

The villagers definetely had taken some action on their first Day. They ended up leading two suspected wolves to the gallows.

"Who should we lynch first?"

"How about we do it in alphabetical order, so Cailin first." someone suggested. Everyone agreed and they led Cailin up to the gallows.

"I'm innocent I tell you, you have to believe me" she begged as the rope was put around her neck.

"Yeah right" Someone muttered cruely. Then that same one pulled the lever. The door fell and Cailin's neck snapped. She hadn't transformed. They had killed one of their own.

"Well then Glirdan must be guilty." They removed Cailin's body and put Glirdan in her place. He gave a small smile.

"Well atleast I will get to be with Wilwa" he said as a tear streamed down his face. The door fell and his neck snapped with an even worse sound then Cailin's. He to didn't transform.

The villagers had killed two innocents in one night. Hopefully they would do better the next Day.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Anguirel
Azealia of Willowbottom
Boromir88
Celuien
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
Gil-Galad
Kitanna
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
The Perky Ent
the phantom
WaynetheGoblin

Dead:
wilwarin538(mod)- glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin(ord)- lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan(ord)- Also lynched by villagers on Day 1

Score:
Villagers: 11
Werewolves: 3

It is now Night 2. I need a name from the Wolves, the Seer, the Ranger and the Hunter.

[wilwarin538]

The villagers awoke that morning, still feeling terrible about what they had done the Day before.

They all gathered in the town square and quickly noticed who was missing. The Perky Ent.

They all glumly walked to his house. As they walked through the expected open door, they could smell spices.

They wandered around slowly, dreading what they would find. Perky was lying on the kitchen floor, fully intact and from a distance only looking like he was asleep. Until they saw his eyes. They weren’t even there. Random spices had been pored into the empty sockets.

The wolves had killed the seer. The one person who could reveal them.

As the villagers quietly walked out the door and back into the town square, the wolves laughed inside.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Anguirel
Azealia of Willowbottom
Boromir88
Celuien
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
Gil-Galad
Kitanna
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
the phantom
WaynetheGoblin

Dead:
wilwarin538 (mod) - glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin (ord) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan (ord) - Also lynched by villagers on Day 1
The Perky Ent (seer) - eyes replaced by his own spices on Night 2

Score:
Villagers: 10
Werewolves: 3

It is now Day 2. Werewolves stop PMing. Villagers, you may converse.

(I decided to post it a little early, I've got things to do so hope you don't mind)

[WaynetheGoblin]

:mad: :mad: .We are not doing well if we dont get a wolf soon we will lose.

[Eonwe]

how true.

[Boromir88]

Oh my, could the death of our Seer come at a more worse time?

Regarding the voting that took place yesterday, I am very dissapointed. 5 People chose not to vote. One of them I will excuse (Azaelia) because she had a reason, the four who did not vote (excluding Azaelia)...

Gil-galad
Perky
Glirdan
Anguirel

So, Gil-galad, Anguirel you better be able to explain why you did not vote yesterday, leaving us with a double-lynching.

[Kuruharan]

Well, that was a fiasco. I was afraid Perky was the seer. He broadcast too many hints.

For some reason my mind is wanting to structure things in pairs. (see below)

Vote order from yesterday-

Spawn-Glirdan
Celuien-Cailín
Kitanna-Glirdan
Lalaith-Perky Ent
Boromir88-Gil-Galad
Cailín-Anguirel
Márcolië Lamen-Anguirel
Kuruharan-Gil-Galad
WaynetheGoblin-Glirdan
the phantom-Cailín
Eonwe-Cailín

Now, to the survivors thus far…

Anguirel- Suspicious. Strange. Unhelpful. Unfortunately, at the moment, there is not much else to say about him. He did attract two votes yesterday.

Azealia of Willowbottom- Impossible to say right now.

Boromir88- Not too suspicious. Did not vote for a known innocent.

Celuien- Mildly suspicious. The surviving half of the Dueling C’s. I’m not as suspicious at the moment, but requires constant watching. Voted for Cailín. In her favor she advocated an active hunt (for whatever that is worth).

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant - Suspicious. First to vote for Glirdan. She began suspecting him on account of his fiery defense. I find this a little odd. As we just saw, innocent villagers are just as likely to mount an aggressive defense as a werewolf (perhaps even more so). More on this below. On a more positive side, she did argue against lynching Azealia. On a potentially more sinister side she and Lalaith seemed to be running in harness some of the time. Much more on this below.

Eonwe - Suspicious. Did not say much and was reluctant to commit himself for the longest time. Then he cast the deciding vote that sealed a double hanging. He may or may not have seen the phantom’s vote before he voted. He bears close watching. I think either he or the phantom is a wolf.

Gil-Galad- Suspicious. Strange. Unhelpful. A Cad. Garnered votes from Boromir88 and myself yesterday. I am still very wary of him but at this moment I don’t intend to focus much energy on him toDAY unless he does something strange even for him. Did not vote yesterDAY. Caused some attention to be focused on Kitanna (more below).

Kitanna- Alarming. She voiced suspicions of Perky, who has now bought the farm and was our Seer. Kitanna also claimed to be made suspicious by Glirdan’s vigorous defense. I claim I find suspicious. She’s also done a good job of avoiding attention and of itself is suspicious. She requires very careful watching. Gil-Galad’s guilt I think is closely bound to Kitanna’s. I don’t think they can both be guilty since Gil-Galad drew so much attention to her yesterDAY.

Kuruharan- Innocent. While I was one of the first to voice suspicions about Glirdan, I was also one of the first to later say I thought he was innocent. I hope this speaks in my favor.

Lalaith- Alarming. I think I need to re-evaluate my hiring practices. She says waaaay to little for our own good. Her few statements have been marvels of non-substance. Then she and Spawn seem to join purposes for awhile. This could be a wolf trying to latch on an innocent, one way or the other. She voted against our Seer.

Márcolië Lamen- Vaguely suspicious. Difficult to get a read on. Must watch.

the phantom- Ahem…well somebody needs to say this. Suspicious. Considering his vote I don’t think it could be anything else at the moment. I can easily see how that was just a strategy to spread votes gone terribly awry. However, I can also easily see that it could be a wolf trick to attempt to throw away the vote only to have it backfire on him. Perky’s death also increases my suspicion of him (although, I admit, for no rational reason that I can see). I’m afraid the phantom is going to have to prove himself by being instrumental in lynching a wolf this DAY to ease suspicion on him. Otherwise he may be in some real trouble.

WaynetheGoblin- Suspicious. Strange. Weird. Unhelpful. Voted for an innocent yesterDAY. Needs watching.

So, in my mind there are a couple of pairs operating here.

Phantom and Eonwe
Spawn and Lalaith
Gil-Galad and Kitanna

Either the phantom or Eonwe may be guilty. This may be a prospect worth some serious investigation. I doubt both of them are though (although ultimately one should not dismiss the possibility since the werewolves cannot directly communicate with each other during the DAY).

Both Spawn and Lalaith may be guilty. I am particularly suspicious of Lalaith at this moment.

Either Gil-Galad or Kitanna may be guilty, but I doubt both are. At this moment I am also rather suspicious of Kitanna.

Those are my thoughts at the moment, make what you will of them.

I also reserve the right to change my mind for no apparent reason at the drop of a hat. ;)

[Celuien]

Oh no. Things do not look good with the loss of the Seer. :(


Too bad you felt the need to vote for me, so I hope you will really, really regret it when I am lynched and turn out to be innocent.


I do. I'm very sorry, Cailin. We seem to have been two innocents caught up in a web of suspicions.

Long post coming soon...

[Kitanna]

Our seer dead? Oh dear...
Though judging by Perky's posts I don't think he dreamt of a wolf. Probably just an innocent. At least that's what I think because Perky really didn't accuse anyone, he simply said "so and so has fallen under my radar"

But I am going to be quite bold here and say I believe at least one wolf voted for Glirdan and one voted for Cailin. As for the other wolf, I am not sure. It is possibly the last didn't vote at all.

But I suggest looking to those who voted without much of a reason.
Right now I am quite worried about Wayne. He said one thing at the beginning of the day and then came in suddenly saying he thought Glirdan was suspicious and gave no reason. Then he voted for Glirdan with no reason to back it up. I am not so sure about dancing spawn. I don't find her overly suspious, but I don't find her all that trustworthy.
As for those that voted for Cailin, I'm quite in the dark on who to suspect. Though I think the phantom may be innocent, but I am unsure of the others.

She voiced suspicions of Perky
I do not recall saying any such thing. Infact, I thought Perky was innocent.
I realize with Perky and Glirdan dead it looks rather bad for me. But I know I am innocent. Also what cause would I have to go after Perky? He had said I was on his suspect list and any sensible wolf would know not to go after someone who suspects you.

[Celuien]

Okay, here's the complete set of theories. I know that the ill-fated duel with Cailin brought me onto the suspicion list, but yesterDAY I was pretty convinced one of the following theories was correct:

1) A Kuruharan/Cailin wolf duo was in play:
Their posts seemed like perfect wolf strategy. Cailin would pick a fight with me, Kuru would say he found us both suspicious as a result, both fanning the flames between us and giving him distance from Cailin.
2) Cailin was a wolf who was trying to cast suspicion on me and was playing off of Kuru’s finding us both odd.
3) Kuru was a wolf stirring the pot between two innocents, hoping we’d finish each other off while he could sit back from a comfortable distance.

I didn’t have time to post this with my vote as I was already running late. Since we now know that Cailin was innocent, 1 and 2 are definitely excluded. And Kuru’s posts during the vote discussion yesterday (and the one I just saw for toDAY while writing this post) have made me seriously question theory 3. In other words, I do not suspect Kuru right now.

At least we have yesterDAY’s voting record (given below with all votes in order and including the number of votes for each person at the time cast):

Votes:
Dancing Spawn……Glirdan (1)
Celuien……………Cailin (1)
Kitanna……………Glirdan (2)
Lalaith……………..Perky Ent (1)
Boromir88…………Gil-Galad (1)
Cailìn………………Anguirel (1)
Márcolië Lamen…...Anguirel (2)
WaynetheGoblin…...Glirdan (3)
Kuruharan…………Gil-Galad (2)
the phantom……….Cailin (2)
Eonwe……………...Cailin (3)
------Voting closed-------------------
The Perky Ent……..Gil-Galad (3rd after close)

Non-voters:
Zali (excused)
Glirdan (proven innocent)
Anguirel
Gil-Galad

I’m almost sure that there’s a wolf to be found among the non-voters. Either Anguirel or Gil-Galad could have stopped the double-lynching yesterday but chose not to do so. I’ll be eagerly awaiting their explanations. Eonwe also looks suspicious for her late (5 minutes before closing) vote that caused the Cailin/Glirdan tie (Glirdan already had 3 votes an hour earlier).

please remember, i don't really have a suspicion(s) right now, just plying my knife in the dark. come what may.
cross posted with the phantom we use the same logic!

I'm not sure why she felt the need to point out thinking like the phantom - unless it was to cover a questionable tie-making vote by saying it was just the same thing a trusted phantom did. I know that the vote could have been a genuine error since Perky would have caused a triple lynch had his vote come in before the deadline, but I still think that Eonwe has some explaining to do.

So, my possible wolves based on the non-voter/tie-maker combinations are Eonwe, Anguirel, or Gil.

There could very well be wolves in the votes cast for non-lynchees yesterday to spread themselves out.

Finally, I’m very well aware that at least a few of you will find me very suspicious today. All I can say I that I’m not a wolf. I don’t expect anyone to simply take my word for it, but if you’ll just give me a chance, I’ll try to prove that I only have the best interests of the village at heart.

[Boromir88]

I don't know how much we can get off of the votes from yesterday though. To me it seemed like a bunch of random accusations and random votes.

I will admit my vote for Gil-galad I was not very convinced that he was a wolf. But at that time he looked to me to be the most wolfish. Though Gil-galad baffles me, it seems he wants to look like a wolf, it's like he's a kamikaze wolf. Doing everything we would expect a wolf to do and not offering a shred of defense. Perhaps, that is his defense, or perhaps he's trying to attempt a double-bluff in looking like a wolf?

The only thing I can really tell from the votes yesterday, is I'm more confident that Anguirel or Gil-galad is a wolf. Though again, I'm not certain at this point.

I say this because they did not vote at all and a double lynching was acheived. Now this is a bold moves by wolves, because I'm sure they would expect suspicion. So, I would think that if lets say one person did not vote, that person would not be a wolf, because to allow a double lynching and be the only person not to vote would look far too suspicious. but with multiple people not voting (5!!!) a wolf hiding in the no-votes would be more protected.

[Kuruharan]

Rereading Perky's list it appears the first three are in order. Well, it doesn't matter. The point is everyone who posted is on that list and why would Perky leave himself out?

Kitanna Post 38

“Voiced suspicions” does not mean outright accusation (or I would have said “outright accusation”). It does mean that you viewed him with skepticism (which in theory is justified) and drew attention to him. I did the same thing myself in one post. However, your subsequent behavior is disturbing, to put it mildly. It is more of an adding effect rather than one particular instance.

We'd all be interested to hear a more in depth response.

[Celuien]

Afterthought -

The triple lynch suspicion caveat only works, of course, if Gil-Galad truly is innocent. I'll have to review Perky's posts to see if there's a hint that he happened to dream of Gil and found a lycanthrope. That would be fortunate for us!

And I agree that it's unlikely that two wolves sat out the vote yesterday. One hiding in the group is far safer for them.

[Eonwe]

sigh...i guess i had it coming. however....

.Oridginally posted by Kuru

Eonwe - Suspicious. Did not say much and was reluctant to commit himself for the longest time. Then he cast the deciding vote that sealed a double hanging. He may or may not have seen the phantom’s vote before he voted. He bears close watching. I think either he or the phantom is a wolf.

I was reluctant for a very long time. I only decided to vote at around 6:50. And mostly you swayed my decision, Kuru. I did not see the phantoms post until after i posted. random bad luck. as for the phantom...i cannot say. i would also like to quote some other stuff for my benifit :)

originally posted by me

please remember, i don't really have a suspicion(s) right now, just plying my knife in the dark. come what may.

Kuru agina

...and it helps spread out the range of possibilities.

this is what really made me decide to vote. and the rest of taht post.

[Kitanna]

We'd all be interested to hear a more in depth response.

And what would you like to hear exactly? I am sure there is nothing I can say that will completely change your mind.

[Boromir88]

And what would you like to hear exactly? I am sure there is nothing I can say that will completely change your mind.~Kitanna
Perhaps assisting us as to who the wolves may be?

[Kuruharan]

The triple lynch suspicion caveat only works, of course, if Gil-Galad truly is innocent. I'll have to review Perky's posts to see if there's a hint that he happened to dream of Gil and found a lycanthrope. That would be fortunate for us!

I think we can take it as a given that Perky dreamed about Glirdan. That is probably what completely doomed him.

And what would you like to hear exactly? I am sure there is nothing I can say that will completely change your mind.

And I'm glad you realize it. You do need outside help (which is suddenly in short supply) but you'd better try anyway. You never know.

Now, time for dinner...I mean breakfast!! Where's my meat and cheese lover's pizza?!

[Eonwe]

Originally posted by Celuien:

I'm not sure why she felt the need to point out thinking like the phantom - unless it was to cover a questionable tie-making vote by saying it was just the same thing a trusted phantom did. I know that the vote could have been a genuine error since Perky would have caused a triple lynch had his vote come in before the deadline, but I still think that Eonwe has some explaining to do.

*ehem* that's a he ;)

no i wasn't trying to alighn my self with the phantom. I think that he is a really good candidate for being chosen to be a wolf (unless its random, idk, this being my first time). please note i have no suspicioun (as yet) of the phantom.

Im not sure, but i want to investigate Boromir and Kuru. they seem like they could be working together, but it also seems to be to closely to be suspicious. right now, that is where my thought will go.

[Celuien]

I think we can take it as a given that Perky dreamed about Glirdan. That is probably what completely doomed him.


I see what you mean. Scratch that idea.

[WaynetheGoblin]

Perky voted for Gil yesterday. Its posible that Perky dreamt about Gil on night one and he was a wolf. Gil couldent have been lynched because that would have made it a triple lynch.

[Eonwe]

please just read over Boromir's and Kuru's posts from yesterDay and tell me what you think. i see supiciousness and i see inocence at teh same time. :rolleyes:

[Kitanna]

Perhaps assisting us as to who the wolves may be?
Wouldn't that be nice if I did know? But I don't, and a good number of other people are just as in the dark as I am. I can make up a list of wolves, but what good would that do?

You do need outside help (which is suddenly in short supply) but you'd better try anyway. You never know.
I see no point, what if I get the wrong kind of outside help? Oh, like, let's say a wolf.

But I must say again I see cause to watch Wayne. I would like to see a reason, a reason better then "because he seems wolfish" for his voting for Glirdan. Why did he seem wolfish? Please, elaborate, Wayne.

Out of the non voters it's impossible to say with Zali. Gil gives us little to go on. He was getting into his character and said little outside of that. Anguirel well he, like Gil, gives me very little to go on.

Now here comes dancing spawn, she is a tricky one. First she mentionsMárcolië, but later she mentions Glirdan and says she is not contented with his behavior.
Please, people, let the wolves do their own thinking. Do not say who you think to be gifted villagers. Unless... but it's too dangerous and a little unfair, too.
This statement though, makes me think she is probably an innocent. I don't think a wolf would discourage that kind of behavior in the villagers.

Those who voted for Cailin:
Celuien was the first, though I think our wolf may have been one either the second or third vote. I'm not wiping her off my suspects list, but I am placing her near the bottom.
the phantom was the second to vote for Cailin. At that time Glirdan already had three votes. At the time of his vote it looked like Glirdan was most likely going to get it. Again, I find the phantom low on my suspects list.
Eonwe was the last person to vote (except for Perky's late vote) and he voted minutes before day ended. Also his vote was (as he says) a cross-post with phantom, which of course is quite possible. However it was his vote that pushed Cailin to the gallows. He bears watching.

[Celuien]

Perky voted for Gil yesterday. Its posible that Perky dreamt about Gil on night one and he was a wolf. Gil couldent have been lynched because that would have made it a triple lynch.

Look closely at Perky's posts. Although I did put the idea of a Gil dream forward, it's pretty obvious on review that he dreamt of Glirdan, which unfortunately doesn't help us.

Sorry Eonwe (especially as I've repeatedly been taken for a he). :o

I don't find the phantom particularly suspect right now, although that could change. While he is on Kuru's list today, I don't think anyone was looking closely at him while the votes were being cast yesterday, which is why I thought a tag-along would be a reasonable wolf strategy (assuming tp's innocence).

I also don't really suspect Kuru. Everything he's said (other than adding fuel to my Cailin duel from yesterday) seems to have been helpful. Boro isn't really on my screen either. At least, I'd rather hear more from my main suspects Gil and Anguirel before looking in their direction.

At any rate, I'll be watching everyone closely today.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Sincerest apologies for not showing up yesterDay, all. I messed up...shame on me.

Spicy? You got the spicy platter? I'm so very sorry. That plate was meant for Gil-Galad. You were suppost to get the roasted chestnuts and sherry. Very sorry indeed!

Is this a hint? I don't know what to think this early on...Everything is shrouded in mystery, and no one is saying anything that broadcasts either "Werewolf" or "Innocent" to me.

[Eonwe]

um a number of things. please don't think im being pushy or winey (although i guess maybe i am being a bit hyprocrytical :)) . im just trying to understand and having kind of a hard time with it.

could people try to say more about their reasoning more often. i hear allot of suspiciouns but i don't really here any reasoning. i think that reasoning is the only thing we can really count on. not gut fealings (although they can be a guide and are sometimes right on), or anything else because all we have are the things people say.

maybe because im new, i not understanding the established lingo. i don't know, but im haveing a hard time keeping things straight.

and another thing. could we maybe start putting the post numbers on our quotes. and being consisted with "originally posted by" i konw that would help me allot to keep up with people's logic and arguments.

again, im not trying to be arrogant or whine or anything, just some things to try and help (myself if noone else). thanks :)

edited for clarity (hopefully)

[Celuien]

Zali - Perky's critical post (http://forums.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=414656&postcount=35)

The list of possible wolves he made in that post included everyone who had posted up to that point, except for one. Glirdan. I think it's more probable that this was an intentional omission pointing to Glirdan's innocence than that the spicy food was meant as a hint of Gil-Galad's guilt.

Not that I'm excusing Gil. Not by a long shot.

[Eonwe]

Yes, I have kept that thought in my mind. But, I just thought I should keep the topic up. I do agree with the fact that the wolves, whoever they may be, must not be hiding in Tinseltown. But yes, time is always against us. But if you, Boromir, are correc then one of the following is a werewolf:


The Perky Ent
WaynetheGoblin
Kitanna
the phantom
Marcolie lamen
Celuien
Gil-Galad
Kuruharan
Glirdan
Eonwe
Boromir88


Well that made it easier, didn't it? ;) No, I just like to keep organised.

bold mine :D and to follow my own suggestion: post #35

[Celuien]

Agh, my bad. I could have sworn it wasn't there...

[Celuien]

I don't know how I missed that on the list. :rolleyes: but post 66 has the same idea.

As Glirdan brings up, he seems innocent. He sertainly has been very helpful, and none of us would want to see him die. However, this is after all, a game of lying and deception. If the Phantom is really a werewolf, he certainly plays it well, as non of us seem to suspect him. That's why I brought up the quote. It's convincing. Too convicing. But, despite that, I have no intention of lynching Phantom for the time being. I shall have to meditate on it!

[the phantom]

I was afraid Perky was the seer.
Me too, Kuru. I wasn't at all surprised to find him dead today. If I was a wolf that is certainly who I would have killed.
Considering his vote I don’t think it could be anything else at the moment.
Phantom and Eonwe
Either the phantom or Eonwe may be guilty.
I think either he or the phantom is a wolf
You should not be suspecting me for my vote, Kuru.

1) Wolves cannot pm during the day, so there's no way Eonwe and I could have coordinated the double post.
2) I VOTED FIRST!! I was not the one who caused the tie. You should look at Eonwe more than me.
3) Didn't you notice that I was trying to SAVE THE SEER??

Look back at my vote. When I voted, the strategic choice was between Perky and Cailin. I said that I flipped a coin to choose, but in reality I suspected (as you did) that Perky was the seer, and so I did not want to vote for him. THAT is why I chose Cailin.

Would you rather of had me vote for the seer?!

You are wrong for suspecting me on the basis of my vote.

I believe you are also wrong about this-
I think we can take it as a given that Perky dreamed about Glirdan. That is probably what completely doomed him.
I do not believe that Perky dreamed of Glirdan.

I believe that Perky dreamed of Azalia and found her to be innocent.

Yes, Perky defended Glirdan more than once, but one of his last posts says this-
Kitaana seems a little hostile, as does Glirdan. I'm gonna have to read through this thread one more time.
There was absolutely NO REASON for Perky to mention Glirdan, so why in the world would a seer say something NEGATIVE about someone who he supposedly knew to be INNOCENT??

That doesn't make sense.

However, look at what Perky said about Azalia-
Call me crazy, but I've got an inner feeling that Zali is innocent. I don't think a wolf (though they may be quiet) would be entirly silent. I think we can just stick zali off to the side, assuming there is no more talk from him. Killing him would be a waste of a day, and just wouldn't help us at all.
That is an extremely concrete defense. Perky even says he has an "INNER FEELING".

I think Perky dreamed about Azalia.

[Boromir88]

I'm not sure if voting behavior is something we should think strongly on. While voting behavior may be a strong determinant in who is a wolf and who isn't later down the road. Yesterday's voting seemed more random. From what I've been reading from a lot of the posts with the votes on it (including mine) no one was really sure on their decisions and and with that randomness everyone's vote looks suspicious. (Some maybe more than others though). I mean my reason for voting for Gil-galad was rather flimsical, but to me it was the most suspicious thing I've seen all day.

The only clue I've seen as far as voting behavior goes could be those who did not vote. Anguirel, and Gil-galad. Again, I'm excluding Azaelia, possibility she's still a wolf, but as far as those who did not vote I think she can be excused because of her absense that day.

I think we should focus more on the context of people's post. For instance, Wayne is someone that's looking suspicious to me...He says this at the beginning of today...
We are not doing well if we dont get a wolf soon we will lose.
That is an admirable statement, shows that we must catch a wolf soon or we'll lose, yet he's said nothing as to help us catch a wolf. Or atleast he's said stuff that's already been previously stated. So far, I've seen very little from his posts, he acts like he wants to catch a wolf, but does very little to help the cause. To me this looks suspicious.

So far my list (in order)-

1) Gil-galad
2) Anguirel
3) Wayne

Maybe after today's vote we can start looking for voting patterns and things like that. But, yesterday's votes everyone seemed far to lost on who to vote for, and far to random (I think) for us to strongly base our suspicions off of the votes from yesterday, atleast at this point.

[Eonwe]

Boromir, im not really sure that because someone doesn't do anything to help catch a wolf they are to be stamped as "suspected". I mean what has anyone really done to help catch wolves as yet. Wayne could just be bideing his time. (although it seems as if he was not very talkative/informative last time). just a thought.

[Márcolië Lamen]

The loss of our seer will hurt our village extreme amounts. Hopefully we'll manage to recover at least some.

I don't know whether to post this in this game thread, but today I got a migraine and thus was not able to come on before now. Now I am off to read some of our Gadian (*cough*American literautre *cough*) history. I will not be able to come on before noon tomarrow because of this being midterm week in the Gadian university. I am truely sorry if this looks to be wolvish behavior.

Now for one more rushed listing before I must go.


Anguirel- I still feel Anguirel is most suspicious, increased by the non-voting yesterday.
Azealia of Willowbottom-not enough to access, need to be watched but not more than the average.
Boromir88- Doesn't seem suspicious at the moment, yet the fact this is managed still deams watching
Celuien-vaguely suspicious, less so than yesterday with the death of the other of the dueling Cs. Could she have influenced Cailin's death because of her wolvish status?
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant- more suspicious than yesterday. Was very outright in posting towards the end of yesterday. First to vote.
Eonwe- May be just new, but has had an overall suspicous feeling. Then yesterday he cast the vote making it a double lynching. Could it have been a plan? I don't think a wolf would be so outright with the double lynching, especially so early, but still requires watching.
Gil-Galad- Han't posted much. Suspicious amounts. Also didn't vote. Suspicious.
Kitanna- Been good of avoiding suspision. I'd watch her, but at this point not call her anything above the normal.
Kuruharan-Seems one of the most helpful so far. If a wolf definitally hiding it with fake help. One of lesser suspisions at the moment.
Lalaith- hides among the others and follows their posts. Very wolvish behavoir. I'm watching out for Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen-I know I am innocent. I'd even offer my place to help the village, though it'd just be wasting a lynch.
the phantom- More suspicoius than yesterday because of late voting mainly. Less so than some others though.
WaynetheGoblin- hasn't been helping. Needs to post more and explain more. Suspicious.

Most Suspicious
Anguirel
Gil-Galad
Lalaith

Suspicious but less-so
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
WaynetheGoblin

Slightly less
Celuien
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
the phantom

Least suspicious so far
Boromir88
Kitanna
Kuruharan

NEA
Azealia of Willowbottom

Known Innocent
Márcolië Lamen

All lists alphabetical. Order for top three in that order however.

[Boromir88]

Boromir, im not really sure that because someone doesn't do anything to help catch a wolf they are to be stamped as "suspected". I mean what has anyone really done to help catch wolves as yet. Wayne could just be bideing his time. (although it seems as if he was not very talkative/informative last time). just a thought.~Eonwe

Very possible, I'm simply offering ideas, not saying mine are right or wrong. I had slightly suspected Wayne yesterday, but I suspect him a bit more today because of that. The best way I can get you to understand is it's all fine and jolly that someone would say we need to catch a wolf. It shows that one is committed to the village.

But there's a difference between saying "we need to catch a wolf", and actually trying to catch a wolf. My thinking is if you fear losing and want to help the village catch a wolf than step out and say your plans and therefor we can think through the situation. Not say "I'm afraid we'll lose if we don't find a wolf" and then doing nothing to help us catch a wolf and not lose definitely deems suspicion. (Again atleast my thinking)

[Eonwe]

Originally posted by boromir (in his last)

Very possible, I'm simply offering ideas, not saying mine are right or wrong.

dido for me :)

and i guess that makes sense.

[Gil-Galad]

sorry guys for not posting, i've had an, how you say, eventful day, me almost commiting suicide and all, but i'm just here to say that i'm an odrinary villager, but i feel it will be best that i leave


++Gil-Galad

[the phantom]

I was about to say it'd been quiet for too long, but wow... that's quite a way to break the silence.

[the phantom]

First, Cel and Kuru- earlier you both seemed to believe that Perky had dreamed about Glirdan.

I disagreed and said that Perky dreamed about Azalia.

After reading the quotes I posted, wouldn't you agree?

Even if you don't, I am convinced and so I will be suspicious of anyone who tries to put forward Azalia as a lynching suspect.

Second, let's examine the voting yesterday.

Ang and Gil were both within one vote of getting killed but did not lift a finger to save themselves. Perhaps they weren't around? Perhaps they were wolves trying to play it cool?

What do the rest of you think?

If you ask me, yesterday would've been a nice time for the wolves to vote for each other to set themselves up later in the game. However, since the wolves knew we were dedicated to keeping the totals low and not bandwagon, they probably would have been reluctant to cast an early vote for another wolf.

They also would not have cast a late vote that would likely lead to their fellow wolf's lynching.

An ideal set up would've been either my vote for Cailin or Kuru's vote for Gil.

However, Cailin was proven not to be a wolf, so I was not a wolf voting for a wolf.

That leaves Kuru and Gil as the only likely wolf-wolf vote, because everyone else either voted at a risky time or for a proven innocent.

Now that we're down to Kuru-Gil, let me say that I do not particularly suspect Kuru. Why? Because he has been accusing me.

That may sound funny, but I think if Kuru was a wolf he would be either slightly nice to me or at least indifferent to me.

You see, Kuru has seen me in other WW villages before, and he knows that I am the type who, if attacked during the day, can turn the lynch mob around right onto the person who went after me. A wolf wouldn't want to take that risk.

And the other possibility that could happen if he attacks me is that he succeeds in lynching me. And, when the village finds out that Kuru has led them to lynch a rather experienced innocent, who do you think they'd lynch next? Kuru of course.

So, going after me is likely to end in death no matter if you succeed in lynching me or not, and Kuru has been around long enough to know that and he's smart enough not to put himself in harm's way like that.

Now, this is not an airtight case at all. Kuru is fully capable of putting one over on me, but I think that the probability of my thoughts being right are high enough that I am willing to place him lower than most others on my guilt list.

So, if you'll go back to the point I was making earlier and consider the fact that I think Kuru isn't a wolf, I would guess that no wolf voted for another wolf yesterday, because the Kuru-Gil vote was about the only likely combo.

Now, do you think the wolves went mainly for one candidate, spread all three of their votes out, went 2 and 1- or did one or two sit out?

Thoughts?

[Anguirel]

Anguirel awoke while the whole village was up already, and increasingly keen on the idea of letting him swing. It was most unlucky; on the island where he had been brought up, the sleeping patterns tended to be rather peculiar. He had also-as it happens-missed the voting for innocent reasons, (relatively), attending the theatre in Brethil with an attractive young female bandit. However, he was aware that neither of these arguments would do; particularly in view of his attire.

Anguirel was dressed in rather fine clothes, excepting his bedraggled cloak; it would eventually chime in the villager's minds that they were vestments belong to the three dead villagers. Anguirel had spent the hours after he had got up, it was clear, robbing the houses of the deceased...and once again timed his crime badly...

***

Alright. So you won't accept wholeheartedly my innocent "it was the theatre and my sleeping wot did it" explanation. More power to you. Here's another defence.

I am an inordinately vain fellow. Hence my, er, clothes redistribution. I love to hog the limelight. As one of you villagers, I'm enjoying being a source of comment and query. However, I don't enjoy it to the extent of wanting to be lynched.

Were I a wolf, I swear I would be stirring the pot for all I was worth, forging alliances, casting out accusations and theories, taking precautions for perfect crimes. You would see a lot of me. You would probably, in fact, lynch me, for something tells me my flamboyance wouldn't fit a wolf well...

Now our Seer is gone, we are left to ourselves. We must deduce with what little knowledge we have. Innocents, look to those who voted for you. Then ask yourself why they voted for you. Did another's suggestions stir them to it?

I agree, also, that the non-voters are wrapped deep in the mire of suspicion. But I assure that, were I a wolf, I wouldn't, to put it bluntly, be winning in such a blank, unstylish, unspicy (pace our Seer) manner. I would regard it as cheating, almost...

Right. My suspects are all three of them quiet; but such triumvirates can be most dangerous. They are, in ascending order of suspicion:

Gil-Galad, using moral blackmail of a rather objectionable, martyring kind to avoid the chop

Wayne, as usual very reticent and with little to contribute...little else against him save fickle instinct

Eonwe, the progenitor of last night's tie. Extremely suspicious.

I doubt all three are wolves, but I'm fairly sure some will be. As for last night's voting-I fear it was largely of the villager's own making, very likely with no wolves involved but Eonwe if Eonwe is guilty.

[Lalaith]

Oh great. First we manage to lynch two innocents on the first day, then the wolves get our Seer.

Now that lynch yesterday, caused by double posts: I'm not going to get too suspicious about the instigators (Eonwe and phantom) I've been in a similar position myself and it's jolly awkward when it happens. That doesn't mean I think they're innocent mind you, but I'm not going to be homing in on them just for that.
Yesterday's voting patterns will become more significant when and if we catch a wolf - and if that wolf is among those who was voted for, or voted. At the moment, it doesn't tell us all that much - I think most of us were just following the "spread the votes around" strategy. As for my own vote, it was based as I explained on the fact I felt that Glirdan and Perky seemed to be a bit chummy. Once poor Glirdan was proved innocent by the lynching, my suspicions of Perky were assuaged. As for who Perky dreamed of, it clearly must have been either Glirdan or Azalia. I'm inclined towards Zali myself. It's a big risk, but do we accept her as a known innocent? Having a known innocent would of course be of huge help to the village.

Wayne - I'm not sure if he's so suspicious, maybe he's just confused. And on the subject of which - what on earth is Gil-Galad playing at?

Oh and Kuru: so my posts were "marvels of non-substance", were they? It was the first day, nobody, except poor Perky, knew anything. I think you're just being mean to me because I wouldn't be "nice" to that important friend of yours at the banquet the other night. :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Now, do you think the wolves went mainly for one candidate, spread all three of their votes out, went 2 and 1- or did one or two sit out?~the phantom, Post 171
I think it's unlikely two sat out and didn't vote, but very possible that one did. As I said, I think if there was only one person who didn't vote in a tie, that person would not be a wolf, because they would most likely understand that immediate suspicion will fall on them for not breaking the tie. I would consider it a too risky move for a wolf to try early on. However, since we had several people not vote, one wolf would be able to hide easier amongst the crowd. Making it more likely that one wolf didn't vote yesterday.

As far as where the other two wolves are hiding, I can't gather from the votes yesterday. I think people's posts today will give us a better clue than yesterday's voting.

[Lalaith]

It's so quiet here, I think there must be very few of us on GMT in this game.
Anyway, as nearly everyone is asleep I've had some time to think and analyze.

Anguirel – Didn’t vote. He hasn’t said or done enough yet, but will probably come forward to vie with Kuru and phantom to take a leadership role. Which is fine if he’s innocent - but he'll need careful watching. Can we trust his excuse for not voting?

Azealia of Willowbottom Didn’t vote. Came late (albeit with good explanation) but has since said next to nothing. I’d be a lot more suspicious of her if I didn’t think Perky probably dreamt of her as an innocent.

Boromir88 – Coincidentally, I’d put Boromir and the two villagers below him, Celuien and Spawn, in the same category. They are not ones to take overt leadership roles, but they are independent thinkers, inclined to be helpful. Generally seems to be thought innocent – which makes me slightly suspicious.

Celuien – has been helpful in many ways but I find her unusually defensive today. Suspicious.

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant – again, has made some helpful and sensible suggestions, but unlike Celuien seems quite carefree. (Incidentally, our so-called alliance yesterday was nothing more than both of us, coincidentally at the same time, asking people to stop speculating on the identity of the gifted villagers. I don’t think you can read much into that.)

Eonwe – acts the confused newbie. Probably genuinely so, but it would make a good cover. That double post with phantom was unfortunate but understandable. Slightly suspicious.

Gil-Galad – Didn’t vote. He and Wayne both seem very dispirited – in fact Gil is suicidal. I know things aren’t perfect, we’ve lost the seer, but this just seems way over-the-top. Suspicious.

Kitanna - Like Celuien, she seems defensive. Suspicious.

Kuruharan – the most vocal and opinionated of our leadership candidates so far. Says he’d spotted Perky as Seer (as did phantom). Some of his suggestions are good but others seem a bit simplistic for a clever strategist. Watch carefully.

Lalaith – a clever girl who voted for the seer. Very suspicious. :rolleyes:

Márcolië Lamen – I’m not getting a handle at all on this speaker of tongues. So, suspicious.

The phantom – Again, a dangerous enemy if he’s not one of us, so another one to watch very carefully. However, his suggestions and strategies have proved reasonably helpful so far.

WaynetheGoblin – again, odd and dispirited. But he doesn’t seem as suspicious as his fellow oddball Gil.

[Celuien]

A rather dramatic gesture from Gil-Galad. Unfortunately, it's not really a defense. But it has accomplished it's intent in making me question his guilt, and Anguirel has tipped me more to thinking that of the two remaining unexcused non-voters, Gil is more likely to be a wolf.

tp - I'll add Zali to my possible list of Seer dreams. I'm unable to find anything to push me more towards Glirdan or her right now since my psychological block and misreading of Perky's list was what initially made me certain that Glirdan was the subject of his dream.

[Anguirel]

Incidentally, rereading the phantom's post I see a surefire way of removing myself from suspicion.

Villagers, it saddens me to say it, but the phantom is a wolf!

There. Just as our reformed alcoholic says, no wolf would dare to mess with the phantom...

[Kuruharan]

1) Wolves cannot pm during the day, so there's no way Eonwe and I could have coordinated the double post.
2) I VOTED FIRST!! I was not the one who caused the tie. You should look at Eonwe more than me.
3) Didn't you notice that I was trying to SAVE THE SEER??

Look back at my vote. When I voted, the strategic choice was between Perky and Cailin. I said that I flipped a coin to choose, but in reality I suspected (as you did) that Perky was the seer, and so I did not want to vote for him. THAT is why I chose Cailin.
-the phantom post 163

Yes, yes, yes. But all that does not say this could not have been an attempt by you to be seen voting but at the same time throw your vote away. At the time Cailin didn’t look too likely to catch another vote. I don’t think it likely both you and Eonwe would be wolves (which I said) but the remote possibility is something to keep in mind (which I also said). There could have been a misunderstanding or mistake. If you were a wolf you may not have been totally sure that Perky was the Seer and wanted to wait until NIGHT. But these are just possibilities. I mentioned them as possibilities (in fact my possibilities can’t all be true). And I still think people should keep this in mind.

There was absolutely NO REASON for Perky to mention Glirdan, so why in the world would a seer say something NEGATIVE about someone who he supposedly knew to be INNOCENT??

That doesn't make sense.

-and-

That is an extremely concrete defense. Perky even says he has an "INNER FEELING".

I think Perky dreamed about Azalia.
-the phantom post 163

Hmmm…I suppose it is possible. However, Perky said Glirdan appeared “hostile.” That is hardly a ringing condemnation. He could have also been attempting to tone down his rhetoric in an effort to save himself. Perky was also just echoing a lot of what, well…I had said.

However, at the moment I’m not looking at Zali, so for practical purposes it does not really matter.

I'm not sure if voting behavior is something we should think strongly on. While voting behavior may be a strong determinant in who is a wolf and who isn't later down the road. Yesterday's voting seemed more random.
-Boromir88 post 164

I disagree. I think yesterDAY’s voting is going to prove to be important. However, it is good to have people approaching it from different directions, so we can just agree to disagree.

sorry guys for not posting, i've had an, how you say, eventful day, me almost commiting suicide and all, but i'm just here to say that i'm an odrinary villager, but i feel it will be best that i leave


++Gil-Galad
post 169

Well…I believe I said he would need to do something strange even for him. This probably qualifies. I wonder if he could be attempting to cover for somebody else. Of course, if he is we still need to get rid of him.

After reading the quotes I posted, wouldn't you agree?
-the phantom post 171

No. It doesn’t necessarily follow. It just means things are more difficult because there can be no real consensus on who Perky dreamed about. But as I said before, at the moment it does not really matter.

However, Cailin was proven not to be a wolf, so I was not a wolf voting for a wolf.

Really…I must say…patting yourself on the back for killing an innocent. Isn’t that a bit much?!

(hint: I know the phantom will understand, but for other people that was a little joke.)

You see, Kuru has seen me in other WW villages before, and he knows that I am the type who, if attacked during the day, can turn the lynch mob around right onto the person who went after me. A wolf wouldn't want to take that risk.
-the phantom post 171

Really? I thought you were the type of person who ran away quickly and then drank copious quantities of alcohol afterwards.

I've been in a similar position myself and it's jolly awkward when it happens.
Lalaith post 173

I bet.

Oh and Kuru: so my posts were "marvels of non-substance", were they?
-Lalaith post 173

Yes and this one is too.

Lalaith – a clever girl who voted for the seer. Very suspicious.
Lalaith post 175

Amen.

I personally think at least one and maybe two wolves voted yesterday. In fact one is almost a given because of statistical necessity.

Also, I do hope that an unreasoning Gil-Galad bandwagon does not develop. That would ultimately not tell us very much even if he is a wolf. We need some healthy debate where everything you say can and will be used against you later.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

And here I thought that we don't have a Cobbler in this Village...

Something more insightful coming up as soon as possible.

[Anguirel]

I have decided to attempt to apply the wisdom of the renowned Elvish philosophers, Socrates, Plato and Rene of the House of Descartes. For a no-good outlaw I'm well-educated, you know. My father fought in the Nirnaeth and I attended a top notch Dor-Lomin public school...

*The villagers recall the time when Anguirel claimed to be a collateral descendant of Beren Erchamion, boasted that he'd kissed Luthien eighteen times, etc etc. This rubbish about his education is pretty mediocre on the scale of his fibbery. What is a philosopher anyway? He's been at the whisky again.*

Anyway, I start with what I know for certain. Ergo, that I, Glirdan, and Cailin are innocent and that the Perky Ent was our Seer.

I then make questions based on that.

One thing I notice in this particular thought experiment is that Marcolie was, early in Day 1, garnering suspicion for posts thin on substance, and a rather obtuse and strained criticism of the Perky Ent for including himself on a suspect list. This opinion against her died away after she distracted attention with a series of cogent attacks on me-also largely for the crime of substanceless opinions, earlier levelled at herself.

Thus I know she has accused two of the four innocents I know of, on shaky grounds. My defensive thoughts are naturally forming against her

On the other hand, my other accuser, Cailin, was innocent; but she accused me, as she herself wittily admitted, more of robbery et al. than of lupine murder...

Yes, all in all I am inclined to add Marcolie Lamen to my list, even as my doubts about Eonwe wane slightly.

[Márcolië Lamen]

I'm trying to figure out about Gil's actions of being suicidal. Could it be trying to bluff us into keeping him alive. More likely I would think he was trying to protect someone else. But that'd mean he's connected to that person...I don't see how Gil could be an innocent and be suicidal. Why wouldn't he at least stay alive to keep another person here. It just makes no sense to me either way on why to be suicidal unless you want to lose, which again, makes no sense.



There was absolutely NO REASON for Perky to mention Glirdan, so why in the world would a seer say something NEGATIVE about someone who he supposedly knew to be INNOCENT??

That doesn't make sense.

-and-

That is an extremely concrete defense. Perky even says he has an "INNER FEELING".

I think Perky dreamed about Azalia.
-the phantom post 163


I think that if I had to guess who was drempt of it'd be Zali. Before evereyone mentioning Glirdan I hadn't even thought of that possibility of the dream. I probably missed something...

I wouldn't yet cast Zali off as a definite innocent, but I would say she's the one I trust most to be innocent now.



Alright. So you won't accept wholeheartedly my innocent "it was the theatre and my sleeping wot did it" explanation. More power to you. Here's another defence.


I'll take benifit of the doubt of that for now, saying its not the highest suspicious action. However I think that Anguirel needs to explain the lack of incentive to help. This can not be explained by sleeping because not all this time was busy. He also had said he'd let others do the work.


Incidentally, rereading the phantom's post I see a surefire way of removing myself from suspicion.

Villagers, it saddens me to say it, but the phantom is a wolf!


A very strong statement. Without explination too expect for mentioning one post. I'd like more explination please?

I do agree though that the phantom is suspicious. That post is slightly suspicious in the strength of defending another. However I doubt a wolf, especially a previous player, would be so strong in defending a fellow wolf. Maybe if we accept Zali to be innocent he's hoping to follow?

Lalaith seems less suspicious than yesterday to me, but is still suspicious.

Top three are now.
Gil the glowing llama
Anguirel
Wayne This one is harder to get. The top two are very much more ahead than anyone else to me at this point.

As for thoughts upon voting of wolves.
I'd be too noticable to sit out two. It is weird though that even without taking that into account the top two suspicious for me are in the list of those who didn't vote.
Makes me wonder about strategy of these wolves of either making others look guilty or why they'd sit out two.
That being said, I'd expect the wolves to have voted for different people. Again, to keep themselves separate.

Beyond that all I can say is I hope we have better luck than we've had.

[Márcolië Lamen]

One thing I notice in this particular thought experiment is that Marcolie was, early in Day 1, garnering suspicion for posts thin on substance, and a rather obtuse and strained criticism of the Perky Ent for including himself on a suspect list. This opinion against her died away after she distracted attention with a series of cogent attacks on me-also largely for the crime of substanceless opinions, earlier levelled at herself.

Thus I know she has accused two of the four innocents I know of, on shaky grounds. My defensive thoughts are naturally forming against her

Yes, all in all I am inclined to add Marcolie Lamen to my list, even as my doubts about Eonwe wane slightly.

My critism of Perky had been focused to just notice every detail and begin discussion. Nobody had posted anything of substance yet and I was trying to engage debate hoping that ideas would come out of it. Once he was defended I did agree with all those saying it was right of him to include himself in such the way he did. Because of this I hadn't made any more posts upon it and since nobody else did, it died out. I didn't feel I needed to just agree with what they'd been saying because it'd just be repetative and un-helpful.

upon my accusation of you, Anguirel it is more because you had said straight out, as I realized, that you'd let others do the work. After you didn't vote, you can't but note that its suspicious action.

I would like to hear a defense from you on this, and until I do I can't declare yourself anywhere below I have placed you. Would you please defend yourself?

I know I am an innocent, but if Anguirel is also, I agree that my actions would appear suspicious. But then again, every action in a village cursed as we are is suspicious in some way, shape, or form.

[Anguirel]

A very strong statement. Without explination too expect for mentioning one post. I'd like more explination please?



Another ludricrous attempt to defame my reputation, madam. I do not genuinely suspect the phantom; this was a joke based on the phantom's clearing of Kuru on the grounds that Kuru had accused him, and that no true wolf would dare to pick a fight with him!

EDIT: Missy, you call for me to defend myself. To that I reply-I do not deign to defend myself from the smearings of a wolf!

Alright, you want something better than that. On the first day, we have nothing to go on, except threads and patches, and you see where they got us. Two dead braves. I was simply keeping my thoughts in reserve and waiting for the situation to develop...only then the twisting path of fate deprived me of its climax. Had I been able to, I believe I would have condemned Glirdan to death, leaving Cailin still among us, and still suspicious...

[Márcolië Lamen]

Another ludricrous attempt to defame my reputation, madam. I do not genuinely suspect the phantom; this was a joke based on the phantom's clearing of Kuru on the grounds that Kuru had accused him, and that no true wolf would dare to pick a fight with him!


Oh, I'm sorry about my reading of it. You mention the joke. I hadn't been able to see that. I'll accept that explination and remove the idea of that being anything more suspicious than living in our infortunate town. I completely missed what you were saying and wouldn't have said it if I had noticed it. Sorry.

edit- reply to your edit:
There is something in lying back until we have information. I agree. I can't take back suspiction, especially when I still can't help but feel your actions to be that of a wolf.

If you innocents feel me to be the best to codemn to death and agree with Anguirel's statements so be it. I am acting suspiciously, I won't deny it. I know I'm not going to last the whole time here. I just want to help the village as much as I can before I'm condemned to death either through looking too suspicious or getting to close for comfortant for the wolves. However, if you focus your intents upon an innocent such as myself then the wolves may manage to hide behind that. I'd watch out for followers in every accusation, even before votes, for patterns.

[Anguirel]

Truce, Marcolie? Your reply satisfies me entirely for now, and I'm vaguely on the scent of a rather larger and grimmer trail; though I won't throw my bombshell till I've heard more from the others...and may not even throw it at all...

I'd be glad of some allies in the dangerous time ahead. Will you take this lonely outlaw's hand in temporary friendship?

[Márcolië Lamen]

Truce, Marcolie? Your reply satisfies me entirely for now, and I'm vaguely on the scent of a rather larger and grimmer trail; though I won't throw my bombshell till I've heard more from the others...and may not even throw it at all...

I'd be glad of some allies in the dangerous time ahead. Will you take this lonely outlaw's hand in temporary friendship?

Truce, your reply statisfies me too and I feel others require more focus. I'd be glad to not forget about suspisions because I can't, but at least focus on those which require more. *shakes hands* Truce.

[Eonwe]

um i got work today(2:30-6), and right after that, i go to buy a suit. homecoming, that everlasting bane of hard-earned cash. so if i vote it will have to be at 2:00-15. so...

for what it's worth, im a bit leary of teh phantom. it just seems that everyone takes him at his word to easilly. as soon as he mentions his thoughts on perky's dream (zali), alot of people start agreeing. (and i could see how that would be a pretty important bit of info) i guess the logic behind makes sense, but still...
i just think that we shouldn't blindly follow until we have quite concrete evidence for his benefit. that goes for anyone, i guess. (i am masterful at stateing obviousness! :rolleyes: )

yeah other than that, i don't konw what to think...

[Kuruharan]

I'm beginning to think Anguirel and Márcolië Lamen require watching. The way they were acting seems a little...odd.

im a bit leary of teh phantom. it just seems that everyone takes him at his word to easilly.

-and-

i just think that we shouldn't blindly follow until we have quite concrete evidence for his benefit.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

i am masterful at stateing obviousness

Somebody has to do it.

Where has Spawn gone off to? I've been waiting for her insightful post for some time now.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I regret to announce that I can't say anything really insightful right now although I promised (and Kuru: I'm sorry, it just took time to reread the whole thread through carefully). Here are some thoughts.

When this tragedy began, there was much babbling about how horrible Wilwa's fate was etc. Kuru and Celuien were the first people to say something strategically helpful.

Kitanna is a mystery to me. She doesn't really say anything in her three first posts. Then she shares some thoughts but there's always that "on the other hand..." which is handy because you can't hold her opinions agains her because, in fact, she really hasn't any. Sometimes Kitanna seems sincere but she is clever enough to hide her sharp claws if she has them.

Gil is causing me a headache. He says very little but it's hard to tell if he's just being himself. many forgiveness for my quietness, i totally forgot about this thread At least he should go to see a doctor... Who would have thought that so young a boy could have dementia. I don't know what to do with Gil but just for the future, if people want to kill themselves here, we should probably let them do so.

Wayne, well, he's another silent fellow.I will pobely vote for hin [Glirdan] later.He is one of the biggist posters on this thread. Huh?I said not long ago I would vote for glirden and I will ++GLIRDEN He posted alot and now he is not posting at all. I don't understand his reasoning.

Oh, to avoid inconvenient cross posting, open a new window and check if someone has posted here while you have been typing or something but no more accidental double lynchings, please.

[Eonwe]

point taken :)

[Celuien]

Wayne's consistent unhelpfulness and lack of logical explanation is getting bothersome. However, I'm not ready to vote for him. I'd almost think that if he were a wolf, his furry colleagues would have coached him during their nightly conferences so as to make him a less obvious target. At this point, I'd only vote for him if there were no better wolf candidates and/or to stop a multiple lynching.

I'd be glad of some allies in the dangerous time ahead. Will you take this lonely outlaw's hand in temporary friendship?

For the time, I will.

EDIT: Kuru and Eonwe - I'm not blindly following the phantom, but I can think of a few good reasons to keep him here for a while longer. Not the least because he is posting strategy.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I'm beginning to think Anguirel and Márcolië Lamen require watching. The way they were acting seems a little...odd.
I agree but I doubt that both of them are wolves. It would have been too risky for Wolf-Márcolië to vote for Wolf-Anguirel yesterday.

spawn-> Glirdan
Celuien-> Cailín
Kitanna-> Glirdan
Lalaith-> Perky Ent
Boromir-> Gil-Galad
Cailín-> Anguirel
Márcolië-> Anguirel
Kuruharan-> Gil-Galad
Wayne-> Glirdan
the phantom-> Cailín
Eonwe-> Cailín

It would have been possible if they knew that Wolf-Wayne would have broken a possible tie but it's still too risky.

[Eonwe]

RIght now my suspicions lie with Kuru and Phantom. I will check back latter, but will pobably vote for Kuru, just because i think it is the best bet.

Kuru in 129

it is really more helpful to have votes. And don't worry about getting it wrong...life is an exercise in making a fool of yourself.

very well...i prolly won't have too much trouble with that

[Eonwe]

ok then, seeing as time runs short (for me), and nothing new has come to my attention, i with go ahead and cast my vote:

++KURU

that said, i need to leave. see you all toMarrow, prolly.

[Kitanna]

ok then, seeing as time runs short (for me), and nothing new has come to my attention, i with go ahead and cast my vote:

++KURU

that said, i need to leave. see you all toMarrow, prolly.

You said you have work so I doubt you'll be back on to answer this, but why? What reason can you give for voting for Kuru? In one of your posts you seemed far more suspcious of the phantom. At the beginning of the day you mentioned some sort of Boromir/Kuru alliance, but you never returned to it. In fact you never truly elaborated on it. You kind of just mentioned it in passing and asked us to reread their posts without letting us in on your own findings.

If by some strange chance you are able to repsond to this before day is out I'd like to hear your reasoning behind the vote.

[Celuien]

*Refreshed while searching thread before completing post - request for explanation becomes a cross post with Kitanna*

Eonwe - I'd like to put in a request for you to explain your vote for Kuru, hoping you'll see this before you leave. If it comes too late, I'd like to hear more tomorrow. I searched but couldn't find anything where you stated your reasons for suspicion. All I saw was your post asking for opinions on Boromir and Kuru, plus one where you seemed to suspect the phantom.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

++KURU
Hmm, interesting. If Kuru is a wolf, I think there's a fair chance that Gil is one, too.


Gil-Galad- Suspicious. Strange. Unhelpful. A Cad. Garnered votes from Boromir88 and myself yesterday. I am still very wary of him but at this moment I don’t intend to focus much energy on him toDAY unless he does something strange even for him. Gil-Galad’s guilt I think is closely bound to Kitanna’s. I don’t think they can both be guilty since Gil-Galad drew so much attention to her yesterDAY. An assumption: Kuru is a wolf. He suspects Gil but...Either Gil-Galad or Kitanna may be guilty, but I doubt both are. At this moment I am also rather suspicious of Kitanna.So, he suspects a fellow wolf to make himself look innocent while turning his attention to Kitanna who isn't guilty in this scenario. An ideal set up would've been either my vote for Cailin or Kuru's vote for Gil. ... and Gil stayed behind to make sure that he wouldn't actually have been lynched.

An assumption: Kuru is innocent. Nothing above means a thing.

I for one won't vote for Kuru today without very good reasons. However, I don't have much time left and I'd really appreciate some active discussion before I have to leave.

[Boromir88]

I'm working on that now Dancing, if you can hang around for 10 minutes or so I'm typing up a post that has my thoughts on everyone, so please stick around. :)

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Ok. I have about a half an hour so you don't have to rush for me. :)

[Boromir88]

Ok so here's my thoughts on everyone...but first off,
I disagree. I think yesterDAY’s voting is going to prove to be important. However, it is good to have people approaching it from different directions, so we can just agree to disagree.~Kuru, post 178
Well obviously you can spot something in the votes that I can not. Which is helpful, but I see everyone's reason for voting yesterday as random, making everyone look somewhat wolfish. I think the time of the votes (or not votes) would be more helpful than who voted for who.

Least suspicious. Now these people all have some suspicion attached to them because I can't be sure of anyone's innocence except my own, but these are the people I'm least worried about being a wolf...

Kuru, has been very helpful. It's a scary thought that if he's a wolf he's running the show. However, so far there's nothing to suggest this, and we'll have to see if his thoughts lead us astray into hanging innocents, or if they're a help in finding the wolves.

phantom, I don't find him overly suspicious right now. He's a smart experienced player, which again if he's a wolf is scary. The only thing that I have found to be slightly suspicious is his vote, which again I'm not going strongly on votes at this point.

Dancing, has been helpful as always, nothing yet and I trust her as of right now.

Somewhat suspicious

Lalaith, nothing to base strong wolf suspicions on Lalaith yet. She's contributed (and I have found her post, forget the number) on her thoughts on people to be helpful. Though I think I'm not seeing enough of that, so slightly suspicious.

Marcolie, I've found this alliance between Anguriel and Marcolie to be very disturbing. I think one is a wolf, the other is innocent. I doubt both are wolves because it would just be far to suspicious and leave them with no flexibility. I right now am more thinking Anguirel is the wolf because of the no voting from yesterday, and some more reasons I'll mention later. So, either Marcolie or Anguirel is a wolf who is trying to attach to an innocent, this "truce" gets me worried. I'm more inclined to believe Marcolie is the innocent one, but something I'll be watching.

Eonwe, seems to make genuine posts, she's curious and trying to get a grasp how things go. Somewhat suspicious because it could be ploy to slip under the radar, though I doubt it.

Azaelia, I let her slip the first day because of her excuse and not being available but I want to start hearing more from her and if I don't she could be going up the suspicious list. I'm not going to right her off as a known for sure innocent simply because I think it's impossible to know what Perky was thinking or who he dreamed of.

Kitanna, not sure what to think of her yet. She's kind of gone passed my radar which gets me suspicious and I will certainly be taking a closer look at her, though right now I have more strongly held suspicions.

Most Suspicious

Gil-galad, his vote for himself makes me less sure he's a wolf. Unless he's trying to pull a really bold double-bluff which I think Gil is the person willing to attempt to try to. But, his vote right now sort of quells my former suspicion on him. Though he's still high up there.

Wayne, as I've said he says very little in his posts. He says "we're going to lose if we don't catch a wolf," well duh, but he's done very little to make sure we don't lose.

Anguirel, again, I find the no-vote suspicious, I find the truce with Marcolie suspicious (trying to attach to an innocent perhaps?) I also am curious in his post #180...
Thus I know she has accused two of the four innocents I know of, on shaky grounds. My defensive thoughts are naturally forming against her
Well, we know you're not the seer, so I'd be interested in hearing how you know 4 people are innocent. How do you know who's innocent an who's not? You make statements like this, but offer nothing to back it.

So right now, in order...

1) Anguirel
2) Gil-galad
3) Wayne

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, I have waited as long as I can and once again, I have to cast an early vote.

++GIL

- He's not very helpful
- Acts suspiciously (didn't vote yesterday, for example)
- Voted for himself today which is either a bold bluff or then he really wants out of here

Good luck to the rest of you.

[Anguirel]

About my knowledge of innocents-if you are not a wolf, you know as much as I do-the three corpses plus yourself. If you are a wolf, you know rather more, naturally. I am making no claims to special knowledge.

I intend to vote; it is merely that, like most of the others, I am undecided. Even your attack, Boromir, does not make me suspect you in the least. Indeed, I am in the tricky position of having to consider accusing Celuien, who extended an arm of alliance to me. Bear with me. I will decide, and I will justify that decision.

[WaynetheGoblin]

Boramir I am tryning my best to get rid of a wolf. Gil is playing very weirdly voting for him self like that. I will probely vote for gil later because of my post before . I am also sorry for not being here I had to go to school. :rolleyes:

[Celuien]

++GIL-GALAD

Mostly because he has been behaving very strangely, which looks suspicious to me. I still can't decide if his self-vote was a bold bluff meant to buy leverage with the villagers or an example of innocent Gil strangeness. But I don't have any better suspects at this point. Furthermore, even if he is innocent, he hasn't been very helpful.

Anguirel - since it's fairly late in the DAY and I won't have time to respond to a new line of argument, can we have a truce until tomorrow? I'll understand if you would rather not do so, but I think that the following plan of action might be more beneficial for now: we should focus attention on villagers who are either very strange, unhelpful or both. As long as they are here, even if innocently, they will appear more suspicious than a clever wolf who gives the appearance of helping the village. And that makes the task of discovering a smart wolf even harder than it would otherwise be.

[Boromir88]

About my knowledge of innocents-if you are not a wolf, you know as much as I do-the three corpses plus yourself. If you are a wolf, you know rather more, naturally. I am making no claims to special knowledge.~Anguirel, Post 201
Makes sense to me, I clearly misunderstood.

I think your explanation is admirable and for today I'm not going to vote for you. I say this because of the quote above and this...
Indeed, I am in the tricky position of having to consider accusing Celuien, who extended an arm of alliance to me. Bear with me. I will decide, and I will justify that decision.
Which I will give you that oppurtunity.

The only thing that gets me still worried about you is your no-vote. You may be able to explain and say you're undecided. The only problem is when votes got tied yesterDAY your vote could have been crucial. Though, I'm not going to go solely on that, I think it's possible you did not intend votes to get tied, and two when they were tied at the very end you probably weren't around, correct? So, for now, your explanation appeases me. And I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about Celuien.

Ok, now on to the gathering votes of Gil-galad. I think those who are voting for him to get rid of him should be watched carefully. I see three possibilities in what Gil-galad is trying to do.

1) He's a wolf trying to protect another wolf. If this is the case it would be good to vote for him because this gets rid of a wolf, doesn't matter who he's protecting. But, I think it's the most unlikely case. I don't think a wolf would sacrifice himself to protect someone. Because one, it gets rid of a wolf, and two could make it easy to find who he's trying to protect.

2) He's attempting a bold double-bluff. Thinking if he votes for himself we'll think it far too bold for a wolf, therefor we would think that he can't be a wolf, thus achieving the double-bluff. I think Gil-galad is more capable of trying to pull off a double-bluff more than from other players.

And 3) which is the most likely reason in my thinking is Gil-galad has come across more urgent priorities and can't commit to the thread anymore. Therefor, he wants out realizing that he can't commit to it like he thought he could.

Now, it may be good to vote for someone simply because they won't be around, and therefor would be no further help to us. However, we are in a desperate situation, and if we take out Gil-galad today, and he turns out not to be a wolf, you must realize by tomorrow the score is going to be Villagers-8 Wolves-3, no Seer, and our survival becomes less likely.

If he turns out to be a wolf, that would be great for the village. But my thinking is most likely number 3 because of just the words he says...
sorry guys for not posting, i've had an, how you say, eventful day, me almost commiting suicide and all, but i'm just here to say that i'm an odrinary villager, but i feel it will be best that i leave
I pretty much believe what Gil, is saying and think other situations have come up and he can't contribute anymore. Though, by voting for him we waste a valuable day in which we could catch a wolf. I don't think he's trying to protect someone, or attempt a bold double-bluff, I believe it when he says he's an ordinary villager and can't commit to the thread anymore. I would like to help him out in this situation, but the problem is, again if we hang him tonight it's basically a wasted night, unless if the other possibilities are true and he is a wolf.

I also think those who are jumping quickly to get Gil-galad out should be watched.

[Anguirel]

Anguirel-The only question is whether rope or claws will spill my innocent blood...

Azealia of Willowbottom-According to the phantom, Perky's dream. I'm happy to stick to that.

Boromir88 – I am not considering Boromir's wolfishness. If he's fanged, he's one of the best night predators to have been spawned in living memory.

Celuien – Defensiveness has been noted. Took initiative strategically. Voted for Cailin, a known innocent, very possibly through mischance. Incorrectly interpreted Seer's dream on oddly thin-but accepted for some time due to her authority-thesis. Quick to take up an offer of alliance not specifically aimed at her, but at Marcolie.

Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant – In depth analysis. Only sign of suspicion is over-vehemence in pursuit of Gil-Galad.

Eonwe – Forged a double lynching of innocents. Short on justification. A slack wolf if he is one; there have been precedents for villagers of his sort being both guilty and innocent. Vote for Kuru swung me against him.

Gil-Galad – Touchy and martyring, probably because of some event in the World Outside. Probably not, I've come to decide, a wolf. Not much worth chasing up even if he is.

Kitanna - Haven't really considered. Looks like befuddled innocent to me, but then I'm a cat-person...

Kuruharan – attracting quite a lot of suspicion, but innocent in my book. If he's guilty, in any case, we're in real trouble. Wisdom needed. Should not be lynched yet.

Lalaith – Seer vote almost certainly mistake. Analysis at a few removes, perhaps, from substance; but who am I to talk? Bit edgy about her discussion of "leaders"; might cause division

Márcolië Lamen – We have a pact. She has satisfied me, I hope vice versa. Useful analyst as well.

The phantom – What passes for a rallying point among us. We're all dead anyway if he's a wolf, so I say we should (like Kuru) keep him about. Besides, his theories ring true.

WaynetheGoblin – contributed nothing of use. Sticking knives in Gil-Galad.


So, alas, my triumvirate looks like Eonwe, Wayne, and Celuien. Remove the talker and they're crippled. Genuinely sorry, o Lady of Frogs, but yours is a friendship I cannot accept.

++CELUIEN

Good night, my friends. I'll see you in the morning.

[Celuien]

Anguirel - the only reason I took you up on the offer was because you were high on my suspect list at the time and your discussion with Marcolie, while not directed at me in particular, had gone a long way toward allaying my fears. Shows what I get for diplomacy. :rolleyes:

I just thought I should explain while I could.

Saving further discussion for tomorrow as I have to leave.

[the phantom]

First- I have no clue what to do about Gil, so don't even ask.
Incidentally, rereading the phantom's post I see a surefire way of removing myself from suspicion.

Villagers, it saddens me to say it, but the phantom is a wolf!

There. Just as our reformed alcoholic says, no wolf would dare to mess with the phantom...
Ha, ha, Ang. :p

Kuru, you said-
But all that does not say this could not have been an attempt by you to be seen voting but at the same time throw your vote away.
I have yet to understand what in the world you mean by "throw your vote away".

1) I obviously had no clue who to vote for, so it was going to be a random pick.
2) We had agreed to keep the totals close, so I did not want to pad Glirdan's lead.
3) I also couldn't vote for someone with 2 votes, because that would have tied them for the lead fairly late in the voting (which would have meant a double lynching).

So who is left?

Strategically the best pick was to vote for someone with one vote. There were two choices- Perky, who I suspected of being the seer, and Cailin.

So my choice was pretty much made for me, Kuru.

I truly have no clue what you are talking about when you say I threw away my vote.

Eonwe, you said-
for what it's worth, im a bit leary of teh phantom. it just seems that everyone takes him at his word to easilly
"Everyone" is taking me at my word?

I wish.
as soon as he mentions his thoughts on perky's dream (zali), alot of people start agreeing
OF COURSE a lot of people are agreeing, because I QUOTED the SEER and he appears to be declaring Azalia INNOCENT.

That is very important information!

What's wrong with you guys? Do you not like proven innocents or something?

Before I stepped in and pointed out Azalia, most people seemed willing to believe that our seer had dreamed of Glirdan- who died, thus leaving us without a single proven innocent.

I'm trying to tell people that we DO have a proven innocent. It seems to me that the last people who would want to accept this would be the wolves. They don't like proven innocents.

Needless to say, I don't understand you, Kuru, nor the people who share your opinions of me.

You seem to want to suspect me for voting for Cailin when my other option was someone who was probably the seer (and indeed turned out to be).

Also, you seem to want to suspect me for strongly defending Azalia, who is probably innocent by the seer's own words.

It's like you are off in the twilight zone.

Your paranoia seems to have influenced your rationality.

Not that I have any better idea of who is a wolf- it's just that at least my opinions are not quite as silly.

[Márcolië Lamen]

I have returned from the village school house to a voting for lynching of Gil
I urge for there not to be bandwagoning since we will not be able to find very much out by a vote. There is something about strange about Gil I do agree, but I don't know if lynching is the solution. And if it is, then at least stop it from being a bandwagon desition as it seems like it could easily turn into.

Now, onto analasis of people.




Anguirel- I still feel Anguirel is most suspicious, increased by the non-voting yesterday.
Azealia of Willowbottom-not enough to access, need to be watched but not more than the average.
Boromir88- Doesn't seem suspicious at the moment, yet the fact this is managed still deams watching
Celuien-vaguely suspicious, less so than yesterday with the death of the other of the dueling Cs. Could she have influenced Cailin's death because of her wolvish status?
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant- more suspicious than yesterday. Was very outright in posting towards the end of yesterday. First to vote.
Eonwe- May be just new, but has had an overall suspicous feeling. Then yesterday he cast the vote making it a double lynching. Could it have been a plan? I don't think a wolf would be so outright with the double lynching, especially so early, but still requires watching.
Gil-Galad- Han't posted much. Suspicious amounts. Also didn't vote. Suspicious.
Kitanna- Been good of avoiding suspision. I'd watch her, but at this point not call her anything above the normal.
Kuruharan-Seems one of the most helpful so far. If a wolf definitally hiding it with fake help. One of lesser suspisions at the moment.
Lalaith- hides among the others and follows their posts. Very wolvish behavoir. I'm watching out for Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen-I know I am innocent. I'd even offer my place to help the village, though it'd just be wasting a lynch.
the phantom- More suspicoius than yesterday because of late voting mainly. Less so than some others though.
WaynetheGoblin- hasn't been helping. Needs to post more and explain more. Suspicious.



Anguirel-I am sastified by what he has said but not cleared mind of suspision yet. Unless more suspision comes though through later days I'll give benefit of the doubt for now.
Azealia of Willowbottom-A likely candadite for Perky's dream. But also acting suspicious with lack of apperance. Is this a wolvish plot of hiding her in the seer's dream? If so we need to look at those who first produced the idea of Zali being the dreamed one.
Boromir88-Doesn't seem suspicious, if a wolf a talented one.
Celuien-Suspicious but not as much of some others. Played a role in Cailin's death, possibly wolvish but possibly not.
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant- a quick acter bringing some suspicion, also very strong in the anti-Gil group. However also a good analyser, won't hide from helping. Is this goor or bad?
Eonwe- to repeat what I said earlier since nothing has changed-- May be just new, but has had an overall suspicous feeling. Then yesterday he cast the vote making it a double lynching. Could it have been a plan? I don't think a wolf would be so outright with the double lynching, especially so early, but still requires watching.
Gil-Galad- Han't posted much. Didn't vote. Then came on today as a suicidal villager. Unless a wolf trying to double bluff is an innocent with that though...hard to understand. I'll say more likely not a wolf, which doesn't explain actions, but I don't think they'll ever be explained. Suspicious but at the same time looked like almost so for no wolvish reason.
Kitanna- Very good at avoiding suspicion. I half need to cast suspision only for this carefulness.
Kuruharan-Seems one of the most helpful so far. If a wolf definitally hiding it with fake help. One of lesser suspisions at the moment for me. However some people find Kuru very suspicious so I'll look out for support with a wary eye.
Lalaith- seems to be hiding amoung us villagers, which in itself is suspicious.
Márcolië Lamen-I know I am innocent. My fate is closely tied to that of Anguirel's which scares me. However, in hopes of helping I'll accept this, if I risk my live to help the village then its the best thing I can do.
the phantom- More suspicoius than yesterday because of late voting mainly.However is a leader. If a wolf its scary. Warrents watching but not anything more yet.
WaynetheGoblin- hasn't been helping. Needs to post more and explain more. Often posts names and only that, that doesn't help. It is also suspicious. Quick to jump on Gil who we don't know the state of. In my view most suspicious at this time.

I'm not voting yet, but if I was now it'd be for Wayne.

[Boromir88]

I'm not voting yet, but if I was now it'd be for Wayne.~Marcolie
As of right now that's looking like the way I would vote too.

I'm sort of lost on what to do about Gil-galad. I think it would be good to vote him out because he isn't going to be a help to us and it seems like he wants out. But, by voting him out, as I said could turn out to be a wasted day if it's true what he says in that he's an innocent villager and doesn't have the time to post on the thread anymore. I just don't think we can afford too many more wasted days.

[the phantom]

I pretty much believe what Gil, is saying and think other situations have come up and he can't contribute anymore. Though, by voting for him we waste a valuable day in which we could catch a wolf. I don't think he's trying to protect someone, or attempt a bold double-bluff, I believe it when he says he's an ordinary villager and can't commit to the thread anymore. I would like to help him out in this situation, but the problem is, again if we hang him tonight it's basically a wasted night,
Good thoughts, Boro.

I think Gil will end up getting lynched today, but I'm not going to help do it. I want to spread the votes around a bit.

So- who should I vote for?

Kuru's desire to suspect me for protecting innocent people makes me want to lynch him, and if we're both still around tomorrow and he keeps this behavior up I may have to- but I still don't think that Kuru would act like this if he was a wolf.

Celuien has a vote, but to be completely honest I have barely looked into her at all because of limited time, so I don't feel right pushing her so close to the edge.

So- nominate yet another candidate?

Of course, no matter what I do Kuru will probably accuse me of "throwing my vote away". :p

Well, I'm not going to pick Ang or Boro. Sure, they might be wolves, but since I do not have a strong suspicion about either I'm leaving them off my random voting list because they generally speak sense and seem to be good thinkers.

How about tossing Wayne into the mix?

++Wayne

He's the kind of person that scares me because he doesn't take up a lot of space. In addition, he looks likely to attract at least one more vote, so if he is a wolf then the other wolves might feel the need to pad Gil's lead.

[Kuruharan]

I can only echo the sentiments that Boromir88 expresses regarding Gil-Galad.

(I’m a bit hesitant about what I’m going to say next…)

However, at the same time, perhaps we should take him up on his offer. It might at least be illuminating. Unfortunately, it is a choice fraught with risk.

I am personally still very suspicious of Lalaith (who has again gone *poof*) and to a lesser extent of Kitanna (although I probably won’t be voting for her today whatever happens…unless she does something exceedingly strange, which, of course, she won’t now.)

I have yet to understand what in the world you mean by "throw your vote away".

(I may regret explaining this later. Actually, lots of people may regret me explaining this later.) It’s simple. On DAY ONE if the village is spreading out their votes and you are a wolf, you want to find somebody to vote for who will hopefully not be hung (I’m assuming that the wolf is not going to vote for another wolf). That way the wolf would be seen to be “helpful” but, in fact, is just covering his tracks. The wolf can do this because the village likely does not want a double lynching the first day. The trick is to find a safe candidate and vote for them. That is what I was theorizing that you were doing. There was no particular reason to think that Cailín would get another vote. Disaster struck when Eonwe voted the same way you did. That is the theory.

Perhaps I should use the phrase “stealth vote” rather than “throwing the vote away.” Maybe it would have clearer connotations.

Do you not like proven innocents or something?

It is not that. Well, at least for me it is not that. It is the fact that we find your reasoning to be a little questionable. I’m willing to say it is possible. However, Perky was the first (and for awhile) only defender of Glirdan. That either implies blind faith or he knew something. His later comment about Glirdan being “hostile” does not really scream “werewolf.” His statement about Zali was rather late in the day.

What I am trying to say (and probably others too) is that it is not nearly as clear cut as you make out. It is unfortunate and I wish it were otherwise, but I think it would be best for everyone if we could just agree that it is a cloudy point. Accepting Zali as a proven innocent is a dangerous mistake.

[the phantom]

it is not nearly as clear cut as you make out. It is unfortunate and I wish it were otherwise, but I think it would be best for everyone if we could just agree that it is a cloudy point. Accepting Zali as a proven innocent is a dangerous mistake
If you say so.

Perky made lots of seerish statements, and when he mentioned Azalia he said he had an "INNER FEELING" about her innocence.

I am willing to take the leap of faith that Azalia is innocent. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but if I'm right then the village will benefit.

You see- if most people believe that she is proven, the wolves will want to kill her, BUT, the Ranger can protect her.

Now, the wolves will know that the Ranger can only protect someone every other night, but they won't know if the Ranger will choose to protect Azalia on the odd nights or even nights, which means they probably won't have the guts to try and kill her because they'll be afraid of wasting their nightly kill.

If you ask me, the possibility of the wolves missing out on a kill is worth a small leap of faith (and I do mean small). And if the wolves don't kill her, then we'll have a (likely) proven innocent hanging around until late in the game which will be helpful. Once again, that is worth a small leap of faith.

The seer brought up Glirdan for no reason and said he was hostile.

But, to my knowledge, the seer said nothing negative about Azalia. The only thing he said was that she was innocent because of an "inner feeling".

Please, reconsider this. Isn't that pretty compelling?

But I guess if you want to be skeptical of the only seer dream we have, then go right on ahead.

Vote for Azalia. Find out if I'm protecting a wolf.

I have very little doubt that after all of this is over Perky will tell us that his dream was of Azalia.

[Lalaith]

The votes as they currently stand:

Gil - 3
Kuru - 1
Celuien - 1
Wayne -1

Of the four people - Gil, Celuien, Kitanna and Marcolie - I felt were most suspicious in post 175 (you know Kuru, one of those posts where I actually wasn't saying anything at all :rolleyes: ) two have now garnered votes. Earlier today, I thought I might vote for Gil, partly because he's just weirding us all out, but I've been swayed by arguments that it wouldn't be helpful.
Then there's Celuien. I agree with those who thought the Anguirel/Marcolie row and subsequent pact a bit odd. But even odder was Celuien's gatecrash. Now I think it's fairly clear that not all three of these people are wolves but I've got a feeling one of them is.
So my vote will go to
++Celuien

And Kuruharan, boss dear, if I survive this day and night, by Yavanna, I am going to have it out with you tomorrow.

[Boromir88]

Before I head off to eat, I'll cast my vote...

++Wayne

I've already given the reasons why.

Just for some info, votes are...

Gil-galad: 3 (himself, spawn, Celuien)

Wayne: 2 (phantom, Boromir88)

Celuien: 2 (Anguirel, Lalaith)

Kuru: 1 (Eonwe)

Edit: Cross posted with Lalaith. Adding Celuien with two votes.

[Kuruharan]

I’m not going to vote for Azaelia today. I never planned to vote for Azaelia today. I’ve said that from the beginning. And I would wonder about anybody else who wanted to vote for her now too. Why are you so eager to make it seem like that is what I want to do? A simple review of my posts will show that I said I didn’t want to vote for Azaelia.

My point was (and apparently I’ve been making it very badly) is that the case that Perky dreamed about her is not so strong. You may be willing to believe it, but I’m not a trusting person and I don’t like leaps of faith. I don’t think this is one I have to make. Especially since we can’t stage a Round hanging.

Please, reconsider this. Isn't that pretty compelling?
-the phantom

Not in face of when the Seer was alone against the village in defending Glirdan. Sorry.

Anyway, this discussion is not really relevant today (as I’ve said a number of times). I’m much more concerned about this Wayne/Gil thing. I’ve finally put my finger on what makes me uncomfortable about this choice. They are basically the same guy. How does one choose between them? I think a different alternative would be better. Unfortunately, I don’t really know who to suggest. Nobody else seems as bothered by Lalaith as myself…

you know Kuru, one of those posts where I actually wasn't saying anything at all
-Lalaith

Because you were parroting a lot of the things other people were already saying.

[Kitanna]

I find it hard to cast a vote down for Gil. Yes his voting for himself is strange, but it doesn't always mean someone is a wolf. Maybe he really does want to get out of the game. Then again he could be trying to protect a fellow wolf who has fallen under a lot of suspcion.

I want to vote for Wayne, but unless someone else votes for either him or Gil then we could have another double lynching and if both are innocent again, well...need I say more?

Eonwe is also on my list, but I want to hear from him about his voting for Kuru before I vote for him.

As of right now I don't know where to put my vote. It could be diastrous if I vote for my main suspect Wayne and there's another double lynching. I don't know how much time is left, so I'll think for a few minutes and return with a vote.

[Márcolië Lamen]

I was about to go and vote for Wayne, but I'm going to withold it for now for fear of people not voting and there being a double lynching. Hopefully I should be able to come back. This shouldn't be an issue. But all that aside, if someone wants to vote for Wayne but isn't because of double lynching, I will also vote making it go up (and I just set alarm for 6:45 so I won't miss voting ;))

Just sharing what I would do. Hopefully we won't have the voting issue like yesterday.

[Kuruharan]

By all means, whatever we do we have to avoid a double lynching. I'm almost inclined to vote for Gil-Galad, even though I'm not convinced he's a wolf, just to attempt to make sure we don't have another fiasco like DAY ONE.

(Of course, now there's probably going to be a massive rush to vote for Gil).

[Kitanna]

When I went away for classes this afternoon I had no idea Wayne was going to get more then one vote. It had been my plan to vote for him, but now I'm worried if I do we may end up with another double lynch.

I feel inclined to vote for Eonwe, but my main reason to vote for him would be his own voting. But he hasn't had the chance to defend himself on his vote for Kuru yet. So I guess I'm going to have to hope that either Gil or Wayne gets another vote after mine.

++ Wayne

He gave no reason as to why he voted for Glirdan. Then he said we "needed to get a wolf or we'd be in trouble" but he said nothing about who he though might be a wolf. I asked him to better eplain himself and he was given all day, yet he failed to do so. (granted he had school, but he's made one vote since, there should have been time for a brief post) Now he is talking about Gil acting strangely when he is it that same boat.

EDIT: I understand the dangers in this vote should no one else vote for Wayne or Gil, espcially if there's a repeat of yesterday.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Sincerest apologies again...I have returned from the depths of the village school and the black hole of work, and am here to post. I am glad that some people seem willing not to take my silence as a guarantee of guilt (thanks, Phantom!!)

Although being pointed out as possibly (and I agree with Phantom, that I *probably* was) a seer's dream is really no less dangerous a position. Who are the wolves going to kill next? A known innocent (namely me, if you subsrcibe to that theory, if I am not lynched before them).

I am very worried about Gil. I think he is innocent, but he is also apparantly in a very tough place in life right now, and I worry. Gil, don't ever give up. Please feel better.

I think I'll wait a little while longer on voting, just to see if either Gil or Wayne turn up again. I don't want another double lynching.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I am sure Gil is a wolf.


++GILGALAD



I just think my idea from before is right.

[Kuruharan]

Oh craap!

I don't want another double lynching.

Well, we seem to be lined up for it now. I'm wondering if I vote for Wayne now, then Márcolië votes for Wayne if that would put us over the hump.

It might be a good test of his sincerity too...

[Kuruharan]

Phew! Hadn't seen Wayne's vote in my prior post.

Everybody remember that Kitanna attempted to drag us into another double lynching!!!!

[Márcolië Lamen]

Kitanna voted so I have a chance to vote who I want.

++WAYNE

[Márcolië Lamen]

uhoh...I hadn't seen Wayne's vote. We're back in a double lynch situation. Someone break it up. My computer had been going slow because of low wireless signal. Sorry about that. Someone break up the double lynching.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I don't want to vote for Gil because what he said last screams innocent to me (though that should be taken with a grain of salt since my suspicions and hunches are often wrong).

Wayne seems unhelpful...I am not sure he is a wolf, but he confuses me and not exactly in a good, this-is-awsome-interesting way.

Out of fear of a double lynching, I will vote for

++Wayne

Because it is clear to me that I should pick one or another since they're tied right now and to lose another innocent would be really bad.

[Kuruharan]

Double Oh craap!!

I just realized I may have had that backwards. Marcolie said he would vote for Wayne before Kitanna voted. She may have voted hoping he'd do so.

On the other hand you can't blame Wayne for trying to save himself.

This is a bit annoying.

[Kuruharan]

++ WAYNE

[Márcolië Lamen]

Marcolie said he would vote for Wayne before Kitanna voted. She may have voted hoping he'd do so.

Except for the fact that I'm a girl so that should say she, yes I had said I'd vote for Wayne before I even saw Kitanna's post. Kitanna and I both voted for the other one saying so I think. But my point is I am a girl.

[Kuruharan]

Sorry.

However, we managed to avert the double lynching.

[wilwarin538]

The villagers had agreed. WaynetheGoblin was the one that would be gone toDay.

They led him to the town square, and led him to the gallows. As they put the rope around his neck, he started to offer everyone money if they would just spare him.

"I'm innocent I tell you. I'll give you all my fortune if you just believe me." he begged.

"I don't think any of us would want anything from a wolf." someone replied.

As they pulled the lever they expected a loud snap just like they had heard from the two lynchings the Day before. But all they heard was a thump.

The rope had broken, and Wayne was now on the ground in shock. The villagers looked through his pockets and found what had weighed him down.

In his pockets were huge bags of gold coins. One villager grabbed one and tossed it at Wayne with all his might, in frustration. They noticed it had made a small mark on his cheek.

They all piched in, grabbing gold coins and tossing them hard at Wayne. Pretty soon there was no movement.

He hadn't transformed, they had killed another innocent.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Anguirel
Azealia of Willowbottom
Boromir88
Celuien
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
Gil-Galad
Kitanna
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
the phantom

Dead:
wilwarin538 (mod) - glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin (ord) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan (ord) - Also lynched by villagers on Day 1
The Perky Ent (seer) - eyes replaced by his own spices on Night 2
WaynetheGoblin(ord) - Coined by villagers on Day 2

Score:
Villagers: 9
Werewolves: 3

It is now Night 3. I need a name from the Ranger, Hunter and the Werewolves. Please send the names also to Alcarillo. There is a possiblity he might have to cover for me tomorrow. Thank you.

[wilwarin538]

The villagers did as they did every morning. They gathered in the town square happy to see that they were still alivve, but scared to see who wasn't.

They soon realised it was Celuien that was missing.

They gathered in a small group and walked to her house. Quickly hearing the sound of frogs. They wandered through the living room and into the room Celuien called her "frog room".

On the far wall was a large tank half filled with water and lots of rocks.

Thats where she was. She had been stuffed in and drowned. All of her frogs jumping on top of her.

Another ordinary villager was gone.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living:

Anguirel
Azealia of Willowbottom
Boromir88
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Eonwe
Gil-Galad
Kitanna
Kuruharan
Lalaith
Márcolië Lamen
the phantom

Dead:
wilwarin538 (mod) - glued in pieces to a wall Night 1.
Cailin (ord) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Glirdan (ord) - Also lynched by villagers on Day 1
The Perky Ent (seer) - eyes replaced by his own spices on Night 2
WaynetheGoblin(ord) - Coined by villagers on Day 2
Celuien(ord) - croked on Night 3

Score:
Villagers: 8
Werewolves: 3

It is now Day 3. Wolves stop PMing. Villagers, lynch away.

[Gil-Galad]

after looking at the posts,Anguirel has made me very mad at his... and i have to vote now because its the only chance i have, people will blame me for voting to soon, well its the only chance i have


++Anguirel

[Kuruharan]

...now I kind of like them.

Anguirel- In his favor it can be said that (in some ways) he was less strange. He was at least present and offering ideas. However, the way he behaved was still odd (as I believe I observed at the time). He requires watching. I certainly would not object to a serious inquisition…uhh, I mean investigation into him toDAY.

Azaelia- Still hard to get a read on. She did help break up the possible double lynch. (phantom read this next bit) I’m not too suspicious of her at this moment.

Boromir88- I am more suspicious of him toDAY than I was yesterDAY. I don’t suspect him too much, but he is definitely on the radar. Playing a prominent role in lynching an innocent is never a good thing. I’m also beginning to find his not finding anything useful in DAY ONE’s voting suspicious. It almost seems like he didn’t want anybody else to find anything there.

Spawn- I’m wary of her. Didn’t say a whole lot to get noticed yesterDAY. This causes the alarms to go off in my head. Needs watching. The relative paucity of things I have to say about her is also worrying.

Eonwe- Suspicious. Does not explain anything. Just acts and expects others to follow along. Later actions will sometimes contradict earlier actions and still no explanation is given. This is very suspicious behavior. Requires watching and may require a vote.

Gil-Galad- Strange. Unhelpful. Suicidal. In some ways the village would be better off if he were dead even if he is a villager. He’s hanging over us like a cloud. And now he is being weird again.

Kitanna- Still suspicious. She early and repeatedly voiced suspicions about Wayne (posts 142, 155). However, on the other hand, so was most everybody else. She was, perhaps, initially more consistent about it. Her behavior at the end of yesterDAY is open to a little interpretation. She will, of course, say that she was attempting to offer Marcolië an opportunity. Even so it nearly caused a mess. I still think she requires watching.

Kuruharan- Innocent. Was one of the first (after our Seer of blessed memory) to say I thought Glirdan was innocent. Argued on DAY ONE against lynching Azaelia, even though that would have been a very safe vote for a werewolf. I was not comfortable with the choice presented to us on DAY TWO (as I said in post 216) but was driven into that choice by necessity. Even so, on DAY TWO I did everything I could to prevent another double lynching, even to the point of voting for Wayne last (and slightly unnecessarily) both to drive home the point of avoiding another double lynching and just to be on the safe side.

Lalaith- Suspicious. Unfortunately, nobody else seems to share my view of her. Never really contributes anything that original to the discussion and hardly ever comments at all. She may be attempting to position herself to try and have me lynched and then when it is seen that I am innocent say something to the effect of, “well he started it.” I really wish some other people would take a serious look at her.

Marcolië Lamen- She is now on my Suspicious list. Seems helpful. However, this almost makes me uneasy. Was involved in that silly farce with Anguriel. Was also involved in the situation that almost lead to a double lynching.

the phantom- Suspicious. He derided me most of the DAY yesterDAY for criticizing his voting on DAY ONE until I carefully explained to him the werewolf strategy I thought he might have been employing. He suddenly shut up about that. He also seemed to want to spend most of yesterDAY arguing with me about the status of the Seer’s dream and Azaelia, even though I repeatedly tried to point out that it wasn’t really relevant to the DAY’s discussion. He also accused me of wanting to lynch Azaelia, which I repeatedly said I didn’t. He also showed one or two traces of the old “hysterical phantom under fire” routine (posts 163, 208) but this may speak in his favor…or it might not. First to actually vote for Wayne yesterDAY, although people had been threatening for some time. I’m not convinced he’s a wolf (partly because I think it depends on Eonwe) but I do not like the way he has been acting.

What are we going to do about Gil-Galad?

I think we need to look at the people who were involved in that little ruckus at the end of the vote yesterDAY (yes, that includes myself) because we nearly had another fiasco and I think at least one wolf was possibly involved in it. However, it may also just have been due to circumstances beyond our control since Gil-Galad was pretty far ahead when votes started to roll in for Wayne and you could not expect Wayne to vote for himself.

Those of us were:
Kuruharan
Kitanna
Márcolië Laman
Azaelia

I think Kitanna and Márcolië Laman make more likely wolf candidates, but I’m not sure about either.

Also we might want to comb through Celuien’s posts to see if there is anything there to glean about who might have benefited from getting rid of her or if there is a discernable reason.

Again I reserve the right to change this at the drop of a hat.

[the phantom]

He also seemed to want to spend most of yesterDAY arguing with me about the status of the Seer’s dream and Azaelia, even though I repeatedly tried to point out that it wasn’t really relevant to the DAY’s discussion
Well, all I can say is that I had my reasons.

You see, I was hoping to get everyone's stamp of innocence on Azalia because then she would be a big juicy wolf target- and also be someone for the Ranger to protect. I wanted to set up that situation to see if we couldn't get the wolves to waste a kill by getting foiled by the Ranger.

That's why I wanted your stamp, Kuru.

But don't worry- I promise I won't mention it any more today. ;)
Lalaith- Suspicious. Unfortunately, nobody else seems to share my view of her.
I might share your view... I'm not sure yet. I've only had time to do a bit of rereading of the thread, but later this evening when I have a bit of time I'm going to look closer at your Lalaith-Spawn theory (at least I think it was you who tied them together). I am a bit suspicious already, but she is not at the top of my lynch list today (right now, anyway).
I think we need to look at the people who were involved in that little ruckus at the end of the vote yesterDAY
If wolves were involved (odds say that one probably was), it makes it less funny and more sinister in hindsight, but I find all the scrambling around to be rather humorous, though I'm sure it would have been extremely nerve-wracking if I had been watching as the posts were made. I only went back and read them after I knew the results.
What are we going to do about Gil-Galad?
That is the main question I came into today with.
He’s hanging over us like a cloud
Yes.

As much as I tell myself to find another suspect, I don't see how we can possibly keep him alive for much longer.

If he is innocent, the wolves certainly aren't going to kill him. He's too suspicious. So he'll just hang around, a continual lingering doubt in our minds.

But if he is a wolf, we are going to feel extremely foolish for not killing him when it made sense to.

I'll be back to say more in about three or four hours.

[Boromir88]

Boromir88- I am more suspicious of him toDAY than I was yesterDAY. I don’t suspect him too much, but he is definitely on the radar. Playing a prominent role in lynching an innocent is never a good thing.~Kuru
Of course it isn't and I regret playing that role. I can't deny that I vocalized suspicions on Wayne, because I did. His actions appeared wolfish to me. I may have been one have the main driving forces and for that I can take the blame. But, just remember, my vote only counts as 1, not 6...and you were one of those. Though it appears to avoid another disastrous double-lynching.

Also, on the other thing...
I’m also beginning to find his not finding anything useful in DAY ONE’s voting suspicious. It almost seems like he didn’t want anybody else to find anything there.
I said I couldn't find any usefulness coming out of them, doesn't mean that others couldn't have looked and found something. Never said we shouldn't look at the votes, I just wrote out my thoughts that the votes seemed random and I doubt we could find anything, because everyone just seemed to vote randomly. People, if having a reason to vote was strategical in when they voted, or in that matter didn't vote achieving a double-lynching. And I do remember many people drawing suspicions off of Day 1's votes, so even if I was trying to hide something it didn't work to well.

Anyway, I'll go through yesterdays events and post my thoughts as usual.

[Eonwe]

Kuru and teh rest of my fellow villagers, indeed i have unexplained bussiness. i only had around 5-10 minutes to post (and vote) yesterDay, so i was force to go with a nagging suspicion. So i voted for kuru.

orig. kuru

Eonwe- Suspicious. Does not explain anything. Just acts and expects others to follow along. Later actions will sometimes contradict earlier actions and still no explanation is given. This is very suspicious behavior. Requires watching and may require a vote.

for the record, i don't expect others to follow along. i'm just getting the hang of things in the village, and it would be rash to put myself foward as a leader in stratagems, etc. this being my first time. anyway, i am a bit peeved at myself, especially after i asked others for reasons :o . but like i said i didn't really have too much rock solid evidence (like ther is an abundance of that!) and just voted my current suspicion. we are still trying to get as many people to vote as possible, right? right.....

as for zali, im willing to take her at her word. i think she comes in serious competition with Sauron for Base Master of Treachery if she would lie about real life issues. and i don't think a wolf would forget about the game, given their prominent role. that combined with some compelling evidence put forth by our late Seer. so for my part, she is marked down as "innocent".

maybe for lack of better insight, i just have no good feelings about some of our "leaders". all i can say is, if they are wolves, they are pulling the wool over our eyes very nicely. and if i was a wolf, my first kills would be anyone who had any opinion at all. i would leave other less prominent peole for lynching or killing at my liesure. if anyone has some insight as to why Celuien was killed, i would be very apreciative, because i cannot figure it at this late hour.

anyway, im off to bed :D

edited: soon after. reason: clarity.

[the phantom]

Well, there's certainly not a lot of action so far today.
if anyone has some insight as to why Celuien was killed, i would be very apreciative, because i cannot figure it
If I knew who the wolves were I would likely be able to tell you why they killed Celuien based on their experience, character, and everyone's accusations and defenses.

But since we don't know who the wolves are, the best we can do is guess.

(all of this info is from a quick little chart I've been making as I go on a scratch sheet of paper, so there might be slight mistakes- so don't suspect me of trying to fool people if I have something wrong)
DAY 1- Celuien's biggest suspects were Gil and Glirdan, and she voted for Cailin.
DAY 2- Celuien's biggest suspects were Gil, Anguirel, and Wayne, and she voted for Gil. She defended Kuru, Boromir, and the phantom. She received a vote from Anguirel.

Reasons for killing-
1) She was on the right track with her suspicions. This would make Gil and/or Ang guilty.
2) She was putting her trust in the correct people. This would make Kuru, Boromir, and/or the phantom innocent.
3) She was neither strongly suspecting nor strongly defending any wolves at all, thus leaving no obvious trail or reasoning behind her death. This would make Spawn, Lalaith, Eonwe, Kitanna, and/or Marc guilty.

But then, of course, there is the layer of bluffing that always underlies the obvious answers. The wolves could be doing a bluff based upon any of the above options, in which case the conclusion of guilt/innocence would be the exact opposite.

Anyway, I don't know if all that was a help to anyone- but there it is.

Personally, I think option 3 is the most likely. If I had to bet, I'd bet that there are at least two wolves in that group of names.

[Lalaith]

Right, first off, I've been thinking about why I'm looking suspicious to some people and I've realised that I'm at a serious time zone disadvantage.
This is the first game I've played that wasn't on GMT and it really makes a difference, particularly as I think most of you are on EST. By the time I get on, most of you have been up and posting for hours, and most things I want to say have already been said by someone else at some point.
Of course, my dear boss wouldn't be satisfied even if I presented him with the names of all three wolves, the Ranger, the Hunter, the Cursed Villager, the Keys of Barad-Dur, the crowns of seven kings and the rods of the Five Wizards. *glares at Kuru*
But enough of that. What on earth was going on in those final hours of voting last night? Could someone who was involved explain to the rest of us? I'll be looking at all you guys very closely. I was already suspicious of a couple of those involved, anyway.
And, before anyone else mentions it, I am going to say that yes, I had noticed that people I vote for keep getting killed by wolves. The Perky thing, fair enough, the wolves obviously had spotted him for a Seer, but Celuien, well that just looks like a frame-up and a wind-up to boot.
What kind of horrible wolf would play such a trick?
*glares at Kuru even harder*

[Lalaith]

At the risk of looking like a loon, talking to myself all alone on here, I've been going over the last hour of voting yesterday myself, to try to see if it throws up any clues.
Ok, lets start an hour before deadline, at the point at which Gil was in the lead. Known innocents are in italics.
Gil - 3
Wayne -2
Celuien -2
Kuru - 1

At this point, Kuru posts without voting. He says of course he's not going to vote for Zali, but doesn't want to vote for Wayne or Gil either. Probably wants to vote for me but doesn't think anyone else will.

Then we get a flurry of posts, close enough together in time for people to perhaps have not been aware of each other.
Kitanna posts. She doesn't want to vote for Gil, she wants to vote for Wayne or Eonwe, but worries about the risk of a double lynching.

Marcolie steps in, says she wants to vote for Wayne but is also worried about lynching.
Then Kuru says he'll probably vote for Gil.
Eight minutes pass (unlikely therefore to be a cross-post) and Kitanna votes for Wayne - she knows this brings the score to Gil 3, Wayne 3 with half an hour to go but says she hopes someone else will vote. Query - why doesn't she play safe and vote for her other suspect Eonwe?)

Azaelia crossposts with Kitanna. Not knowing we are now at a draw, she says she will wait.

Wayne now comes in, three minutes later. Quite understandably, he votes Gil to save himself. Score is Gil 4, Wayne 3

Two minutes after this, Kuru thinks we have a double lynch on our hands and wants to vote for Wayne. (Which ironically would bring it back to a double) Then, next post, he realises that everything's ok.

But then, in another cross-post, Marcolie steps in and votes for Wayne. Back to a double: Gil 4, Wayne 4.

Three minutes later, Zali steps in and votes for Wayne, saving us from a double (but also saving Gil). Kuru simultaneously agonises over the double which he still thinks we have, but curiously doesn't vote himself to save the situation until after Zali has voted. He votes for Wayne.

Then Marcolie comes in again. Her main concern is not the lynching, but the fact that she is a girl.


Now what do we make of all that? Were there wolves in that mess, trying to save their fellow wolf Gil? Or was it just a bunch of bewildered and blundering innocents cross-posting chaotically with each other? (Spawn's suggestion of opening two windows seems more sensible than ever, frankly.)
We could lynch Gil to find out.

[Kuruharan]

particularly as I think most of you are on EST.

Well, I know a couple of us are on Central time (me, phantom).

I find all the scrambling around to be rather humorous, though I'm sure it would have been extremely nerve-wracking

Both. It didn't help matters that both Márcolië Lamen and myself seemed to be suffering from slow internet connections (in my case it was slow as molassas in summer). That did not help matters any at all! I think I probably will do the double window approach from now on.

Anway, realizing that I am contradicting my earlier statement...

I'm not sure that we can really gain that much from studying the near voting disaster. Gil-Galad had three votes by the time phantom voted for Wayne. That is a lot of ground to make up, and you had to assume that Wayne would vote for Gil-Galad. Even when Boromir88 voted for Wayne I still thought Gil-Galad would come out on top (or bottom depending on how you look at it). However, I did not want to vote until the end so that I could do everything to avoid a double lynching. This may have been a mistake on my part. My own instinct was to vote for Gil-Galad and maybe I should have done so sooner. That might have tamped down the fires and ended it there. Of course, had I voted for Gil-Galad and everybody else voted the way they did we would have had a double lynching because Azaelia's and my votes would have balanced each other. So what we have is a situation where Kitanna and Marcolie caused a bit of a mess because of their desire to vote for Wayne. This does put Marcolie on the radar because she was the one who wanted to vote for Wayne. Kitanna I suspected already. Azaelia and myself broke up the double lynch. I don't really see what could be used against us about that.

Where's Anguirel gotten off to? Does he figure that since Gil-Galad voted for him he doesn't need to show up to defend himself?

Let us also not forget that Eonwe was the one who actually triggered the double lynching on DAY ONE.

[Eonwe]

i think gil i inossent. i think he made it pretty clear that he had real life time constraints that made it hard for him to be here. He seconded (?) that by voteing very early toDay. i would be really mad if a wolf would lie (or even hint) about real life to confuse innocents, so i think gil just wants out. really, that's just over te top. is this correct? we'll never now untill we kill three wolves or gil is killed by someone. but as for now, i put him and zali on the same list.

ok then....

Eonwe is also on my list, but I want to hear from him about his voting for Kuru before I vote for him.

this is kittana in 217, by the way

hopefully this will be a bit better than my last post (sorry it was late at night). my fears of kuru and the phantom have not been asuaged. and i will also be so bold as to throw boromir into the mix. there were a couple things back there when i said to myself "wow, that really sounds like they are distancing themselves from eachother. " it just doesn't feel right. as for teh validity of this stuff, can i prove anything? no, can you prove anything? not really. right now it is just suspicion, but i will try to but together something that will back it up later toDay. but anyway yesterDay, i voted what i thought was best, which was kuru. anyway im gonna have to go to class pretty soon, about half an hour. so i will stick around until then...

[Eonwe]

just some more stuff. could it possibly be taht the wolves set up this double lynching, hopeing that innocents would waste a day (by not focusing on people that really deserved it. i really didn't thing wayne was guilty. [the only logic taht i could find was he was unhelpful. anyone that thinks something (however sinserly) that is wrong is unhelpful] i still don't think gil is.) trying to save a double lynching situation. im not sure, but i will try and see if there is anything to it...

fourth, to classes, and immense bordom....

and sorry for the extreme confusion this post could cause.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Reasons for killing-
1) She was on the right track with her suspicions.
2) She was putting her trust in the correct people.
3) She was neither strongly suspecting nor strongly defending any wolves at all, thus leaving no obvious trail or reasoning behind her death.
Or... the wolves thought that she'd be a gifted.

Query - why doesn't she [Kitanna] play safe and vote for her other suspect Eonwe? That's a good question. However, it was clear that Kuru and Márcolië were around and they would show up to cast their votes. If either of them had forced a tie, we'd probably lynch that person today.

On the other hand:
So I guess I'm going to have to hope that either Gil or Wayne gets another vote after mine.
...
EDIT: I understand the dangers in this vote should no one else vote for Wayne or Gil, espcially if there's a repeat of yesterday.That is a bit suspicious to "gamble" like that.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

It's so silent here...

Where are Anguirel and Azaelia? Where is Kitanna?

What are we going to do about Gil-Galad?
I really don't know. It's true that he will probably trouble our minds as long as he lives wether he is guilty or not. Eonwe seems pretty certain of Gil's innocence but I'm not convinced.

Here are yesterday's votes in chronological order:

Gil-Galad -> Gil-Galad
Eonwe -> Kuruharan
spawn -> Gil-Galad
Celuien -> Gil-Galad
Anguirel -> Celuien
the phantom -> WaynetheGoblin
Lalaith -> Celuien
Boromir88 -> Wayne
Kitanna -> Wayne [Gil 3, Wayne 3]
Wayne -> Gil-Galad
Márcolië Lamen-> WaynetheGoblin [Gil 4, Wayne 4]
Azaelia of Willowbottom-> WaynetheGoblin
Kuruharan -> WaynetheGoblin

Yesterday's voting doesn't put Márcolie into a very flattering position.

You know, there's a slight chance that I'm not able to vote today. I don't want to cast my vote yet because there has been so little conversation today and if I was able to come back later, I would probably want to change my vote.

[Lalaith]

Well at least its a bit livelier than when I was talking to myself earlier today...

I don't want to pick on Gil unnecessarily or meanly, and I'm by no means 100% or even 80% sure he's a wolf, but I do think his death would at least explain a few things.
But I've got other suspects too. I was suspicious of Kitanna and Marcolie yesterday, and they're still looking pretty lupine today. (I don't think they're both wolves though, unless they were very bold). Kuru I'm uneasy about - partly, as I explained earlier, because of Celuien's death - but he's less high up on my list.

[Lalaith]

Oh, I've just looked at the werewolf admin thread, Anguirel has been away and should be back in an hour or so.

[Kuruharan]

After doing some rereading, I've changed my mind again. I'm finding this Kitanna and Marcolie question more interesting. Unfortunately, not a whole lot has turned up today.

I'm also going to have to be among the early voters today. I'm going to have to leave in a few hours and I can't be sure I'd be back in time. At the moment I think I'm going to vote for either Kitanna or Marcolie. Hopefully something will happen to guide my choice.

It'll be somebody else's job to make sure we don't have a double lynching toDAY.

[Márcolië Lamen]

Sorry I've not been on yet. I had alot of homework and only am able to even start a post now because I finished calc class early.

That being said, I'm suspicious of everyone in the voting fiasco yesterday. A wolf would probably be hiding in there. However, it doesn't have to necessarily be those causing the ties because someone else might have almost forced them into it.

the people I consider to be part of the fiasco and their votes:
Boromir88 -> Wayne
Kitanna -> Wayne [Gil 3, Wayne 3]
Wayne -> Gil-Galad
Márcolië Lamen-> WaynetheGoblin [Gil 4, Wayne 4]
Azaelia of Willowbottom-> WaynetheGoblin
Kuruharan -> WaynetheGoblin

Boromir could have been trying to hide from the double lynching guilt by being one before.
Kitanna seems most suspicious to me. However I'd say she(?) might have been relying on me voting.
Wayne dead, innocent
Me I know I look extremely suspicious. I don't know how to defend myself. However I know I am innocent.
Azaelia and Kuru voted after the second tie. Could have been trying to hide out but would have voted making it if I hadn't. Looking this way makes them seem even more suspicious.

Everyone:
Anguirel- not involved in yesterday's fiasco, good place for a wolf. Still suspicious. Tried to tie to me? I don't know?
Azealia of Willowbottom-in the fiasco, but not in the middle. Still hiding out. One of lesser suspision I guess...
Boromir88-in the fiasco but not middle again. More suspicious than begining but I'm not sure.
Dancing Spawn - lesser of the suspisions from yesterday, but had been suspicious before.
Eonwe -still suspicious, quiet, ect.
Gil-Galad -Gil is just crazy. I don't have any idea what to do about him....I don't think anyone does.
Kitanna- very suspicious from yesterday. Had been hidden before. Probably most suspicious to me now.
Kuruharan-in fiasco but not much. Suspicious to a degree.
Lalaith- less suspicious than before but is trying to pin it on me. I won't blame that because I know I look suspicious. But it could still be hiding behind an innocent.
Márcolië Lamen What can I say? I thought Wayne was a wolf. I am very sorry my fellow villagers. Please forgive me for playing a big part in yesterday's lynching. Hopefully I get another chance and last through the day today for the village as a whole. I don't want the wolves to get another villager killed for them.
the phantom- wow, I'm so not thinking about phantom. Managing to hide again. But yesterday was acting suspicious now that I am thinking about it. On everyone's case.


So now I need to go to class. The change in our numbers of villagers is alarming. Hopefully this change becomes concave down.