Tol-in-Gaurhoth XIII: Enter Shamville

[Lalaith]

I hope Ang's computer isn't still down. I'd really like to hear from him quite soon.

[tar-ancalime]

I think I'm going mad with paranoia...I suddenly thought, what if Wilwa, LMP and Firefoot were wolves? Firefoot attacks wilwa's revelation, then is calmed by wilwa's assurance that she (Firefoot) is an ordinary villager. Then LMP comes out with his plan for a second lynching (of an innocent). Firefoot agrees...

Now, I'm not saying this is what I really think. But it could be true, and so could a lot of other crazy things. So I think we should play it safe and just lynch Wayne today.

That's why we have to take Wilwa at her word. Worst-case scenario? We lynch one innocent (in which case, sorry Wayne). The truth is then out. But if we start to get embroiled in more convoluted schemes, we could end up with a real bloodbath on our hands!

As an illustration of what COULD happen: suppose you're right. Wilwa, Firefoot, and lmp are the wolves but they talk us into their plan for one day. We double lynch Wayne and Glirdan. Glirdan really is the Hunter (as Firefoot hypothesized). Despite being one of the victims of the plot, Glirdan too is taken in by Firefoot and chooses me or Eonwe to take down with him. That's three innocents taken down in one DAY, one more kill that NIGHT, and three very happy wolves come morning. I say play it safe, lynch Wayne, and minimize our losses JUST IN CASE.

[tar-ancalime]

I hope Ang's computer isn't still down. I'd really like to hear from him quite soon.

Thanks for posting this. I'd been wondering where he was.

[Lalaith]

It's what he said in his Sil Survivor thread. We can only presume to believe him.

As for your other points, tar-a, I'm glad I'm not the only wuss here. It's nto that I'm not suspicious of Glirdan - I am, he still seems to flip and flop too much - but it just the whole double-lynching plan seems too risky.

Actually, having reviewed yesterday's voting, it's quite unlikely that lmp and wilwa are both wolves, given that lmp gave her a third vote at a time when there was no Menel bandwagon to speak of. But anything is possible I suppose.

[Anguirel]

Yes, I'm afraid the goose-girl is right. I've gone quite insane and have occasional bouts of lucidity only. Occupational hazard of being a fool. I'll be stark raving mad for a lot of the time over the next fortnight...

(Lalaith is right, I just prefer to avoid anachronism...and blimming annoying it is too. Accursed technology.)

I'll be back later, but for the moment, I say we go along with wilwa's plan, and that the Ranger should guard her tonight. There's more at risk defying Wilwa than there is supporting her. In the meantime, we should try and identify other possible members of the triumvirate, and choose a target for her to dream about-I suggest Eonwe myself. May Orome guide us!

[Lalaith]

What I really wanted to know, Ang, was what you thought, in your lucid moments, of the double lynching plan.

There are five of us now who haven't voted, and three of them (LMP, Eonwe and Firefoot) seem to like the double lynching plan. I really don't, as I've explained, I think it's too high-risk and even possibly a wolvish strategy. Tar-a has illustrated one possible scenario, here's another: even if wilwa is really the seer, and wayne a wolf, what if Glirdan is the Ranger? Then we would lose wilwa, and an extra dream, tonight....

However if all four of the other remaining villagers were willing to risk it then I might be persuaded. So before I rush in to vote for Wayne, which is what I'm inclined to do, I'd like all four of you to say unreservedly you would prefer a double lynching - after all, you can't all four be wolves....

I still would like the seer, wilwa or A.N. Other, to dream of LMP or Anguirel, if they haven't already done so. But of course, it's up to you, seer dear. And could wilwa please come back and say what her dreams were about?

[wilwarin538]

My other dream was of Anguirel, he is innocent.

I've been thinking very hard about my next dream. I'm debating between Eonwe and Kitanna now. I'll be back right before voting is closed to explain why.

I have to go now though. Sorry for not giving any reasons. :(

Oh and LMP, Wayne's sig has been like that for quiet a while, way before this game started.

[Celuien]

On the contrary. I would be a very stupid werewolf to put such an onus upon myself. It's not the way I would act if I were a werewolf. Of course, you may not believe that. Still, all I can do is tell you that I said it for the obvious reason, which is that if our seer is Wilwa and has only one free night to dream, please, don't waste it on an innocent!

I know. I believe what you said. But since there's still suspicion swirling about, I was worried that the request to dream about someone else instead of spending the dream on you would help stir up the controversy, so I was swaying back to my original idea that Wilwa should put an end to the lmp is a wolf theory tonight. It seems like every day's discussion is dominated by that argument, which makes it harder to figure out who the wolves are.

And please, Wilwa, tell us who the other known innocents are even if they don't come back to give permission. The Ranger needs to know who to guard over the next few days.

Off to the shop!

EDIT: Cross-posted with Wilwa.

[Firefoot]

I don't really care whether we do a double lynching or not. But I do have to vote soon, so if a clear decision has not been reached I will vote for Glirdan so that we're not penned in one way or the other (as someone could still vote for Wayne).

Wilwa - obviously, I haven't seen your reasoning yet, but if those are the two you're debating between I would go for Eonwe unless you really do have a good reason for dreaming of Kitanna. Kitanna seems very innocent to me right now.

So if we take Wilwa's claim as true (I am starting to trust her more), then the three wolves must come from this list:

Celuien - She isn't wholly innocent in my eyes, but she is less suspicious than about four or five other people.
Eonwe - I'm pretty suspicious of him. A seer dream here might not be a bad idea.
Glirdan - Hm... I'm really not sure. He could be guilty, but now that I'm actually awake and thinking, I'm not seeing him as so guilty any more. My opinion of him flip-flops about as fast as he does. If we decide not to lynch him, a seer dream here would probably be effective.
Kitanna - I think she's probably innocent. Her analyses have all seemed straight-forward and honest to me.
Lalaith - Right now I think she may be innocent. However, a closer look at her posts might not be a bad idea.
LMP - I honestly do not feel very suspicious of him. Not to say that he isn't a superb bluffer, but at this point I think he is innocent.
Tar - 50-50. Sometimes her posts seem innocent; othertimes, guilty. She could bear a closer look.
Wayne - will be lynched; presumably is a wolf.

One of the things I would like to do is look more at possible trios - this will be easier once we know Wayne's (and Glirdan's?) roles.

I really wish I could have done something more in depth, but hopefully if this is the last chance I ever get to post, you all will know where I was going.

[Firefoot]

As I said I would:

++Glirdan

My final opinion is probably leaning against a double lynching, purely because of the risk factor; but if the four rest of you all decide that the double lynching is the best way to go, I would go along with that. Good luck.

[Eonwe]

ok here's how i take it. there is almost assuradly one wolf in teh votes for wayne. wayne is a wofl. that leaves one left to cast a vote. he is in a bad place, becasue wayne is already as good as dead now. that means of Anguirel, Eonwe, Firefoot, Lalaith, and LMP i think there is a fine chance there is a wolf. ang and firefoot are cleared. that leaves me lmp, and lalaith. i know im innocent. that leaves lmp and lalaith.

i would suggest dreaming of lmp, lalaith, or me. but i think lalaith has teh most potential.

ill try to go back and collect teh votes up to this point adn analyze them...

[Eonwe]

and here is voting up to now:

voter - vote

wilwa - wayne
wayne - wilwa
glirdan - wayne
kittana - wayne
tar - wayne
celuien - wayne
firefoot - glirdan

analysis may follow shortly...

[Anguirel]

I agree with Lalaith that a double-lynching at this point would be too perilous.

Can anything be divined from the Day One votes, when Wayne was a leading candidate? I think, for instance, we can clear Celuien definitively...

I'll return with more when I can.

[Kitanna]

Looking back on the posts made after I went to bed I see some very interesting things floating around.

I'm not sure what to think of lmp's idea of the double-lynch of Glirdan and Wayne. I can see how it could help us if Wayne is a wolf and then so is Glirdan, but if we're wrong...I mean I feel Wayne is most likely a wolf, but if we're wrong about Glirdan, then what? If he's the ranger then we're out when it comes to protecting Wilwa and confusion is going to reign tomorrow. If he's the hunter he may just take down an innocent. But if he proves to be a wolf then we take down two and our chances greatly increase in finding wolf number three.

It is a very risky strategy to enact. If we do get a double lynching and Wayne turns out guilty and Glirdan innocent I suggest a dream about lmp. If we get a double lynch and both are wolves I suggest Lalaith. If neither are wolves I suggest the real seer dream of lmp or Firefoot (it'll be pretty clear at this point Wilwa is a wolf.).

But I really can't say I agree with this double-lynching. If we're wrong we have a lot to lose.

[Eonwe]

ok think on this:

these are the situations that arise when you have my knowledge (ei. that im innocnet).

lmp and lalaith are wolves.
either lmp or lalaith is a wolf, and their partner voted for wayne already.
neither are wolves but there are two wolves in the votes for wayne.

lmp, me, lalaith, firefoot adn ang have not voted for wayne yet.

ang and firefoot have been cleared. if we could clear lmp and lalaith, we would have two wolves left int eh voting for wayne. (well, i guess i would be the only one who could say that)

lmp: i'm not to sure of myself. he plays an awfully bold game for a wolf. that makes me lean toward thinking he is innocnet. though of all the unknowns, i would pick lmp to play a game like that. which makes me unsure. but when you throw the seer hints in, i think that would be too far for a wolf.


lalaith: i havn't really looked into her much. she gives a good acounting of lmp's plan and wilwa=seer situation. that lends some credability to her.

me: i know im innocnet, but nobody else does.

i suggest wilwa chooses the most suspicious of us three to dream of, and everyone else do their best to dig up whatever damnation the can on us. we will hopefully be able to agree that we are all innocent.

and that would lead us to two wolves hidden in Glirdan, Kittana, Tar, and Celuien. which would be very helpful.

maybe it would be time for teh hunter to come forth. that would narrow the dragnet still further.

so, tell me what you think of lmp, lalaith, and me. :D

[littlemanpoet]

I think I'm going mad with paranoia...I suddenly thought, what if Wilwa, LMP and Firefoot were wolves? Firefoot attacks wilwa's revelation, then is calmed by wilwa's assurance that she (Firefoot) is an ordinary villager. Then LMP comes out with his plan for a second lynching (of an innocent). Firefoot agrees...Hee hee! I had the same paranoid thought going, minus the part you outline for me. Which is why I stick to my Occam's Razor guideline: go with the simplest explanation that accounts for all the variables. My hypothesis is that.

I'm not convinced that a double-lynching of Wayne and Glirdan is the best idea. It might be wise to promise ourselves that Glirdan is the wolf to be lynched toMorrow unless something makes it clear that he's not a werewolf. We have the time and the numbers to take a chance at one more Day.

Firefoot, I appreciate your provisional confidence in my plan, but I'm quite willing to leave Glirdan alive one more Night, as two werewolves (at this somewhat early stage in the game) is not really any worse than one, since they can't split their kills.

[Lalaith]

Eonwe: Firefoot and Ang are only cleared if Wilwa really is the seer.
Ang: first day votes for Wayne are only relevant if Wayne is a wolf.

The answers to the second question will be revealed of course at the end of this Day and to the first either tomorrow DAY or the DAY after.

Of course, after Wayne's lynching, there will be no opportunity to discuss strategy so it's best to get that clear now.
Here's what I think.
If Wayne is a wolf, Ranger obviously protects Wilwa. Hunter does what s/he thinks best. Wilwa, if seer, dreams of who she thinks best. If someone else is Seer, don't bother dreaming about wilwa, she's obviously a wolf. In this scenario, Kitanna's Firefoot/Lmp suggestion isn't a bad one.

If Wayne turns out to be innocent, Ranger and Hunter must obviously think very hard about what to do, the wolves will be hunting madly for the real seer in the Night.

[Lalaith]

Ok, just seen LMP's post. The consensus seems to be against a double lynching, for which I am grateful.
++WAYNE

[littlemanpoet]

Way too many corpses and grave digging toDay, so I must vote. And I'll settle the double lynching thing here and now because having suggested it, I don't think it's the wisest course of action.

++ WaynetheGoblin

If you really want another known innocent, go ahead and dream of me.

We know that Firefoot and Anguirel are innocent, based on Wilwa being a seer (if she is). That's three known innocents, which gets proven tonight. Either Firefoot or Anguirel die tonight, it's pretty obvious (not saying this as a threat but sheer deductive reasoning - just to make that clear).

So the Ranger needs to guard Wilwa. I suggest that the Hunter pick either Glirdan or Eonwe, and that Wilwa dream of one of these two. I'm pretty convinced of tar-ancalime's innocence. If this is all proven wrong, it's back to the drawing board and we are in really, really big trouble. :eek:

[Eonwe]

i must be leaving for school, and most likely won't have a chance to get back on before 4pm (my time). so i must vote now. becuas thtere is no point in voting for glirdan anymore, i will go for wayne as well.

++wayne

[Anguirel]

Well, unless we've all been bamboozled up the lum and back, this looks like a pretty bad evening for the wolves. And I say wilwa should dream of Eonwe, on whom we have far less information.

++WAYNE THE GOBLIN (again, gratifying to know I was apparently right first time)

[wilwarin538]

Alright, it seems many people want me to dream of Eonwe. That's probably what I'll do.

But I will tell you why I considered these two.

Kitanna pretty much beleived me right off the bat, not many others did. Why did she have such convidence in me, when I had so much suspicion? If she is guilty she was probably trying to get on my good side so I wouldn't dream of her toNight. If she is innocent, then she was just trusting me, for what ever reason.

Eonwe said something about him seeing a post from Wayne where Wayne named Kitanna as the other wolf. No such post excists. Was he perhaps trying to set Kitanna up, so he would seem innocent?

Obvioulsy this reasoning can't work for both of them being guilty, since it would have to require Were-Eonwe to expose Were-Kitanna. Which isn't likely.

But I'm pretty sure atleast one of them is guilty. I will dream of Eonwe toNight. If he is guilty we know who to lynch tomorrow, but that won't necassarily clear Kitanna, if he is innocent I suggest we go for Kitanna.

[littlemanpoet]

Well, unless we've all been bamboozled up the lum and back, this looks like a pretty bad evening for the wolves. And I say wilwa should dream of Eonwe, on whom we have far less information.

As you know I've been pushing for our seer dreaming of Glirdan, but I think Anguirel has a point here. Glirdan's behavior has been a lot more obviously werewolvish than Eonwe's.

Just to review, Glirdan has, all day toDay, been trying to get us off track of what we all seem to have been pretty sure about, saying there's a werewolf hiding in such and such votes ... and saying that we should spread our votes around when, as tar ancalime makes very plain in her astute posting, we need to make sure of enough votes for Wayne. Finally, his flip-flopping has been mentioned. All werewolvish. So he seems rather obvious. Eonwe seems suspicious to a number of us, but his behavior has been far less obvious. In fact, until I go back and have a really good look, I'd have to say that the primary problem I can recollect with Eonwe was his vote placement on Day one, which I can't ever remember what it was now, just that my analysis produced that result. sorry that I can't be clearer in my hurry.

The upshot is that since a number of us feel rather sure of Glirdan, our seer ought to dream of Eonwe. I hope all that makes sense.

I'll shut up now.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Wilwa. I need your case to be stronger against Kitanna. Glirdan seems much more likely to me, three days running.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

A day full of discussion had ended. The Village Daydreamer had claimed to be able to see interesting dreams at night, too, and the votes had been cast, but the townspeople weren't quite sure whether they had caught a lycan or not.

"A wolf! A wolf! We've got a wolf!" half of the villagers racketed pointing at Wayne.

"How do we know that he is a wolf? Just because she told us?" the other half romped pointing at Wilwarin.

"Quiet, quiet. Quiet! There are ways of telling whether he is a werewolf", Eonwe, who was a learned man, said.
"Are there? What are they?" Celuien inquired.

"Tell me, what do you do with werewolves?" Eonwe asked.
"Hang!" Anguirel bawled.

But remembering their first hanging attempt that was a more or less eccentric performance, they came up with another option.

"Burn!" "Burn them up!"
"And what do you burn, apart from wolves?" Eonwe led the villagers.
"More wolves." Glirdan blurted.
"Wood", Kitanna said enthusiastically.
"Good. Now, why do wolves burn?"
"B... because they're made of... wood?" tar-ancalime said hesitantly and scratched her head.
"Good", Eonwe commended. "So how do you tell whether he is made of wood?"
"Build a bridge out of him", Celuien suggested.
"But can you not also build bridges out of stone?" littlemanpoet reminded.
"Oh yeah", she admitted.
"Does wood sink in water?" Eonwe helped.
"No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw him into the pond!" Firefoot shouted.
"No, no. What else floats in water?" sighed Eonwe.
"Bread!"
"Apples."
"Very small rocks."
"Cider."
"Gravy."
"Cherries."
"Mud."
"Churches."
"Lead! Lead!"

"A Goose", notified Lalaith.

"Exactly", Eonwe smiled. "So, logically..."
"If he weighed the same as a goose... he's made of wood", Anguirel concluded
"And therefore...", Eonwe looked the crowd inquiringly.
"...A werewolf!" they squealed.

By mere chance, there happened to be a large enough scale in the Village, and Lalaith was told to fetch one of her geese for weighing. Littlemanpoet and Glirdan lifted Wayne on the one scale pan and the goose on the other. Although it was quite obvious that Wayne did not weigh the same as the goose, the villagers decided to burn him anyway.

Wayne was quickly tied up to a pole and placed in the middle of the village square. Cords of branches and dry leaves were brought at his feet. "You fools! You'll curse the day you killed me", he growled. "Yeah, right", the villagers muttered and lit the pyre. The kindling caught on fire instantly, and red flames reached towards the dusky sky. Thick smoke made Wayne cough and suddenly his body started twitching spasmodically. A blood-curdling howl burst out of his mouth that had became a furry snout, and sharp claws grew out of his huge paws, but the ropes holding back the beast didn't break. A horrendous black wolf glared at the villagers behind a wall of fire as they watched the goldsmith slowly burning to death.



Living:
Anguirel - jester
Celuien - luthier
Eonwe - militiaman
Firefoot - traveller who has a dog
Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose
Kitanna - goat herder
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan
Wilwarin538 - official town daydreamer

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3

Score:
Villagers: 10
Wolves: 2

It is now Night 4. Wolves and Gifteds, you know what to do. Villagers, go to sleep. The Night ends in 24 hours at 9:00 pm. GMT. Good Night!

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

"Happy hunting, you double-faced carnivore"



The villagers had caught their first werewolf last evening, but there were still two lycanthropes around, and it was clear that they were furiously eager to avenge their fallen comrade. When a new day dawned, there were only nine people left in Shamville. To the surprise of the villagers (and to the relief of the persons concerned), both Firefoot and Anguirel were quite alive, though. "But where is Celuien!" Wilwarin cried out. It was true, there was one luthier less on the village square than yesterday.

Presto prestissimo the villagers rushed to Celuien's workshop where she used to build and repair different instruments. The band stepped inside, and in a heap of sawdust they found Celuien. A deep wound on her temple and splinters on the floor revealed that she had been hit on the head with her own mandolin. The stroke had been fatal both to the instrument and Celuien. As though for a final finishing, a violin's bow had been thrust molto violente through her stomach.

"Alas! Poor Celuien, she was so sound a girl", littlemanpoet lamented.

"Yes, always longing for harmony", Kitanna sobbed.

"And she was our Ranger!" tar-ancalime breathed pointing to the back of the room.

On the wall beside all the lutes and viguelas, there hung a quiver full of arrows and a longbow. "Maybe she was just an avid, umm... duck-hunter", Lalaith tried to suggest. But, of course, a name badge with "ranger" written on it and a sleek spandex outfit with an embroidered "R" on the chest, which Glirdan and Eonwe soon found, kind of ruined the theory. The villagers looked at each other devastated. There was no one who would protect them now.



Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Firefoot - traveller who has a dog
Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose
Kitanna - goat herder
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan
Wilwarin538 - official town daydreamer

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4

Score:
Villagers: 9
Wolves: 2

It is now Day 4. Wolves, please stop PMing. Villagers, you may start discussing. The Day ends in 24 hours at 9:00 pm. GMT. Have a nice Day!

[littlemanpoet]

Celuien? What the devil? What are these werewolves up to? Okay, they couldn't go after the seer, which we have strong evidence is Wilwa, but stronger is needed in a confession from Wilwa as to whom she drempt of last night, and whether that person is werewolf or innocent. And I figured the werewolves would be going after Firefoot or Anguirel.

The only three reasons I can think of for their choice were:

1) hey, see what LMP thinks, let's prove him wrong so that he looks like a werewolf. But that's almost stupid.

2) Wilwa is not the seer, but a werewolf, and the werewolves have known that Wayne was unlikely to last anyway, so they went for a really bold bluff and have been lucky to pick out believable people as innocent, one of whom may in fact be werewolves, and were going after Celuien because they thought she was the real seer. That definitely does not follow Occam's Razor at all, and seems quite far-fetched to me, because is also means that either Firefoot or Anguirel is the third werewolf, and that just doesn't look at all right. This little hypothesis cannot be ruled completely out of question, but it seems to be way back on a distant back burner.

3) they're thinking in ways that just don't work for me.

Of the three possibilities, number 3 seems the most likely to me, although number 1 has possibilities.

So, Wilwa, who did you dream of last night, and is that individual a werewolf or innocent?

[wilwarin538]

Celuin? Wow, that's definetely a surprise.

I dreamt of Eonwe last Night just as I said I would. He is innocent.

So that leaves us with:

Glirdan
Kitanna
Lalaith
littlemanpoet
tar-ancalime

Two are wolves, two are innocent, and one is the Hunter.

I'm still thinking Kitanna is a wolf. I know my reasoning isn't to strong but I just have this gut feeling she's one of the wolves.

I won't vote now of course, but if I had to it would be for her.

[littlemanpoet]

Okay. Thanks, Wilwa. Please accept my apologies for doubting you, Eonwe.

If Wilwa is lying, which I doubt, then she is a werewof, and one of Firefoot, Anguirel, & Eonwe is a werewolf, the other two innocent and being duped like the rest of us. Just noting that as an "aside" hypothesis.

If Wilwa is the seer, then I must take a good hard look at ...

Glirdan
Kitanna
Lalaith
tar-ancalime

... because I know I'm innocent, and anybody who thinks I'm a wolf has greater respect for what I might do as a werewolf than I do.

Let me just bring one thing to everyone's attention, going back to Day One:

On Day One, werewolves are looking for any chance of any innocent saying something that gives them the chance to cast doubt on that individual. Up until my "elect a leader" post, nobody had done that, and I can imagine that the werewolves must have been pretty frustrated up until then. Immediately after my "eal" post, Glirdan hits me with a ferocious attack. Eonwe provides a reasoned analysis, and my response to these two is (1) reasonable with Eonwe, (2) suspicious of Glirdan. Following this, Glirdan backpedals so fast, he disappears into distance. This, my friends, is the most werewolvish behavior I've seen from anyone at all outside of Wayne. I'll take a closer look now at the rest of those still under suspicion.

[Glirdan]

Wow!!! This is definetly a shock!!! Celuien, the Ranger. This is not a good thing for the village. But why would the Wolves decide to attack Celuien? Was it purely random? Because there is nothing in the posts that I see that point to the fact that she was the Ranger. Was she hitting close to home on some of her theories and the Wolves felt that they better get rid of her?

Glirdan backpedals so fast, he disappears into distance.

Care to explain yourself here Lmp? I'm quite confuse at what you mean. And yes I did hit you with a ferocious attack, but what else are you supposed to do when something as suspicious as that pops up? Tell me, what would you have done in my place Lmp?

You are not cleared from suspicion in my mind, not yet. And even though Firefoot, Anguriel and Eonwe have been cleared by Wilwa, we cannot forget the fact that there is still a Cursed amongst us. They are cleared, unless the Wolves are able to get the other lycan with them in which case they will have to be watched once more.

The other one I'm really suspicious of is Lalaith and I thought that a dream here would have been more beneficial. There was really no evidence that Eonwe was a Wolf. A dream for Lalaith, Lmp and myself probably would have beeen more beneficial for us, but now there is no more chance for us to know who's what because it's highly likely that the Wolves are going to go after Wilwa tonight and I'd be very surprised if she wasn't attacked.

Kitanna doesn't seem to suspicious in my eyes and niether does tar, yet I'm still going to watch them

[Firefoot]

Celuien? What the devil? What are these werewolves up to? Okay, they couldn't go after the seer, which we have strong evidence is Wilwa, but stronger is needed in a confession from Wilwa as to whom she drempt of last night, and whether that person is werewolf or innocent. And I figured the werewolves would be going after Firefoot or Anguirel. Yeah... what LMP said. The best thing I can think of is that maybe the wolves are going to try and play suspicion off of Wilwa, Ang, and myself.

There is a fourth option that LMP did not mention, and that is that Wilwa is a wolf and that none of Ang, Eonwe, and myself are wolves, but that is seeming pretty far-fetched right now. Right now, I'm pretty comfortable saying that Wilwa really is the Seer.

So of those remaining, I would say that LMP seems the most innocent to me. I'm not too concerned about Kitanna, either (I could probably be persuaded otherwise, though), which would leave at least one, possibly both, wolves between Glirdan, Lalaith, and tar. For one thing, I highly doubt that all three wolves voted for Wilwa on Day 2, which would mean that either Glirdan and/or tar is a wolf. Glirdan is currently more suspicious to me than tar is. Lalaith is definitely confusing me; I had been pretty sure she was innocent. But I would like to see if we couldn't get some pretty good analyses on these five people today. Could be telling.

[littlemanpoet]

Glirdan backpedals so fast, he disappears into distance.Care to explain yourself here Lmp? I'm quite confuse at what you mean. Oh, that was just an expression for visual effect. Just an exaggeration to bring home the point.

[wilwarin538]

I have an idea of maybe why the wolves chose to kill Celuin.

Everyone yesterday wanted the Ranger to protect me, so it was pretty obvious that the wolves weren't even going to and kill me. Maybe they thought that the ranger would not protect me, and protect either Firefoot or Anguirel. Since it was very unlikely the wolves would choose me. So perhaps the wolves couldn't decide between us three who to kill, since they weren't sure of which of us was protected by the Ranger. Then they just chose someone else at random. That person ended up being the Ranger.

Just an idea, it seems to cover everything.

[Eonwe]

no time to really post. i've read everything posted today.
current suspects:

kittana

why? i still believe i wasn't on drugs or anything couple nights ago. meaning im pretty darn sure wayne deleted his post naming kittana as a wolf. and would he delete it? rethought an unsubtle move? i dunno. but looking at kittana (especially if you are suspicious already. guess that always helps, as lmp says ;) ) i don't like it. if i was the wolf i would try to defend people i knew would to be innocent. because taht would make me look good. i looked into it couple days ago, and kittana is doing just that. everything she says makes sense, because she's pretty much omnicient when it come to the clearcut wolf or innocent. all she has to do is keep up her retoric, telling people things that are true, but not daming. if you see waht i mean...think - dout! can't do that...

everyone else but lmp and the known innocnets, as for now. i'll try to come up with some kind of analyzis on everyone later on tonight.

two more things: wilwa must be assumed to be the seer now. if she's not, the real seer surely would realize the amount of damage that she would be doing. not to mention wayne...

mmmmm...waht was teh other...can't remember.

[wilwarin538]

when i was the wolf in wwjii

That is definetely not aloud. ;)

[Eonwe]

eeep. your right. :eek:

excuse me spawn.

[littlemanpoet]

i still believe i wasn't on drugs or anything couple nights ago. meaning im pretty darn sure wayne deleted his post naming kittana as a wolf. and would he delete it? rethought an unsubtle move? i dunno. Maybe it did happen. But why would Wayne do it? Bad sportsmanship? I really, really doubt it, though the thought briefly crossed my mind. My guess would be that seeing that the seer had pointed him out, he considered and almost went through with a desperate move to seem like the seer himself. If that was what he was doing, there's no guarantee that the person named is actually a werewolf. So that seems like a possible "wash" to me. Consider: if there was a case of "duelling seers", Wayne would face a 50/50 chance of getting lynched and surviving one more Day, and potentially getting the real seer lynched instead, which would be a huge coup for the werewolves. Except that I think he figured out that if people had to choose, they would choose Wilwa for the seer and Wayne for the werewolf, hoping for the best, and decided that it wouldn't be such a great idea after all. Who he charged with being a werewolf is largely irrelevant. Besides, I think we all would rather look at the evidence that still is available, rather than the iffy chance that this actually occurred. I understand that you're trying to be as helpful as possible, but I think we might as well stick to what we can be more sure of. What do you say, Eonwe?

[tar-ancalime]

Celuien? :eek:

This has been done already, but please bear with me as I bravely go where...so many have gone before...and do it again.

Assuming that wilwa is the Seer (which, interestingly, has NOT been absolutely proved yet--and I was so sure that this DAY would start with some certainty on that point), we have this configuration:

Ranger: Celuien
Seer: Wilwa

Known innocents: Firefoot, Anguirel, Eonwe

I'd like to point out that any of these three may be our Hunter--wilwa is an adept enough Seer to know that outing them as innocent is very helpful to us, while adding that one of them is gifted isn't all that helpful. All three of these players surely know that too, and Wilwa can trust them not to reveal themselves further.

Unknowns, to include two wolves:

me, Glirdan, Kitanna, Lalaith, and lmp

This group may also contain the Hunter; again I think it's best to keep that information close.

Now, IF (very scary possibility) Wilwa is not the Seer, then our pool of potential wolves grows larger, to include Firefoot, Anguirel, and Eonwe.

I was wrong yesterDAY, but I'm going to refuse to learn from my mistakes and make the same prediction once again: Certainly things will become clear quite soon. It seems to me that by the time another DAY dawns we will certainly know Wilwa's identity, and with it the identities of the other three: the wolves won't let an unprotected Seer live.

(Yes, yes, I know, rehash of things we've already said--but bear with me, I am going somewhere with this; I'm just a little late to the party as usual.)

I'm going to confine my speculations to the five that fall under suspicion given Wilwa's identity as Seer, since it seems pretty unlikely to fall out any other way.

I myself am, of course, beyond reproach, and as others have done I in their own posts I will decline to elaborate on my own virtue.

Kitanna

is a puzzle indeed--almost universally respected till quite recently, and now by her very presence in this ever-shrinking group of people without proven identities she invites suspicion. No one (myself included, I fear) has paid her much attention at all, and I'm beginning to wonder why. She's the only one of the five of us who hasn't been the subject of suspicion--at this stage in the game, isn't that in itself suspicious? Have we been remiss? If she's a wolf I'd suggest a Kitanna/lmp pairing, by the way--he making a lot of noise, she sitting back and staying unnoticed; it's the classic pairing.

Lalaith

I want to hear some more from Wilwa on Lalaith. Such a strong attack on her the other day--as the Seer you'd have to have known that if you died we'd go back and take that as a dream. What were you trying to tell us? Why were you so sure? Also, Lalaith was very much against the double-lynch plan yesterDAY. Even so, she said was willing to go along with it if everyone else agreed--could she have been hedging her bets till the last moment, not willing to cut both of her comrades loose at once? If Glirdan is a wolf then I think we need to look very hard at Lalaith.

lmp

And now we come to the other side of the Glirdan coin. The most vehement accuser of Glirdan. It seems very simple to me--if Glirdan is NOT a wolf then lmp looks very bad.

Glirdan

has been engendering a lot of discussion lately. Several DAYS ago I spoke up in his defense, but as the list of suspects grows ever narrower I'm forced to reconsider. He played fast and loose with the voting record yesterDAY--did he really think we weren't going to notice that? Also he's lately been after Lalaith--whom I suspect of being his fellow-wolf. With his built-in defense ("but of course I'm flip-flopping! That's how I always play!") he can quite safely distance himself from her in this way, then vote for someone else. Tricksy.

I think that we could learn a lot from Glirdan's identity. I really think that if he is a wolf then Lalaith likely is too; if he is not, then lmp is almost certainly guilty. Since we can't count on a dream of Glirdan, there's only one other way to know for sure. As much as I hate to break a thing to find out what it is, we may have no other choice.

I know it's early yet, but at this point I think my vote is likely to go to Glirdan.

[Firefoot]

Looking back at Celuien's posts... she said that LMP seemed pretty innocent to her, while Glirdan was pretty suspicious. Now, she didn't know anything for sure, but it is another innocent's honest opinion.

I've also been looking through some of Kitanna's posts, and she is seeming slightly more suspicious to me, though that may be because I was looking for her to seem suspicious, what with all of you casting doubt on her. Many of her longer posts don't actually seem very analytical at all; rather, she seems to state what people have done and then not remark on it. This could be seen as an act to appear more helpful than she is being. Also, she seems to do a lot of piggy-backing on others' ideas, though this could be bad timing about when she has access. So I have moved her onto my suspect list.

Lalaith has seemed genuinely helpful in her posts. Her comments seem thoughtful and perceptive, but not in a wolvish way. I'm going to stick with my original opinion that she is probably innocent. I won't be voting for her toDay.

That leaves Glirdan and tar-ancalime. I will take a closer look at them tomorrow (ah, weekends!).

[Kitanna]

I won't lie and say I have stuff to add when I really don't. I just wanted my presence known so no one thought I was hiding out. I'm just having some RL issues to work on. And anything I could say seems gone. I was suspicious of Wayne and clearly I no longer need to worry about him. And before yesterday I was suspicious of Wilwa until she cleared herself. Though were my two main suspects and anyone else was just a feeling. So I'm going to go off and look through the posts and hopefully find something of use.

[littlemanpoet]

lmp

And now we come to the other side of the Glirdan coin. The most vehement accuser of Glirdan. It seems very simple to me--if Glirdan is NOT a wolf then lmp looks very bad.

The werewolves may be feeling desperate enough to cast suspicion upon one innocent in by voting for the death of another. We are, frankly, closing in on the werrewolves with the sheer number of known innocents, provided the current hypothesis plays out true.

For your information, tar, I've spent the last two hours doing a thorough review of all four candidates (excluding myself, of course - I'll leave that to others who must suspect me).

Here are my notes on Glirdan; I don't quote whole posts (most of the time), just the points that seem most pertinent to me:

post 39: Reads like an innocent getting suspicious.

44: considers LMP less suspicious based on responses.

49: torn on leader plan. reasons against. ends up against plan.

117: I knew Bergil was innocent. - huh? How do you know, if you're not the seer? Slip of the tongue, yeah, but is this knowing that you know that you know, or is it the slip of a werewolf?
Wayne seems most suspicious. It's early to be a werewolf and say such things about a fellow werewolf.

124:
What you said about Lalaith and her Jackal/Hyde type act made me think as well. Naturally, makes her even more suspicious in my eyes.

131: [to Wilwa:] Which makes you even more suspicious. That seems like a very Wolfish way to defend oneself just because of a stupid and quite obviously (well, now it is anyway) random reason and vote. You are really high on my suspicion list now.

139: Now, after your lengthy post tar (which was well thought out by the way ), I'm inclined to believe that you are an innocent. Either that, or a very clever Wolf.

I'm now a little more suspicious of Wilwa, due to theof the defensivness of her post earlier, but she's not as suspicious as Lalaith or Wayne.

148:
:
I agree that perhaps one wolf is hiding in that mix, but I would say only one. So if lmp is a wolf Anguriel and Lalaith are not, or if Anguriel is a wolf lmp and Lalaith are not. Out of the three I am least suspicious of lmp.

I'd have to agree completely with Kitanna on this one. Lmp seems least suspicious of the three, yet that doesn't remove him from suspicion. I'm more suspicious of Lalaith than I am of the other two, and even more suspicious of Wayne, yet I might give him the benefit of the doubt for today and vote Lalaith instead. There's not enough information for one to go off to pin anything on Wayne where as with Lalaith, there is enough.

199: a werewolf would be more careful to get his facts straight before posting.

Lalaith: I strongly suspected yesterDay and still kind of do today. She definetly is not cleared yet. She voted for Wilwa because of the attack that Wilwa did on her yesterDay. However, I'd have to agree with Wilwa on one point, no matter how much I suspect her, and that's the fact that Lalaith has been acting very strange. Her vote for Wilwa is like a type of revenge for the attack on her which makes me suspect her even more.

211: No Firefoot, I think Wilwa's timing of revealing herself is actually quite good. It makes sense for her to come out after all the votes she accumulated yesterDay. And I'm pretty sure she would have revealed herself sooner if she had the chance (time zone differences). I'm pretty sure she's the Seer, but if not, she's pulling a Fea and she's the Ranger/Hunter. If she's not the Seer, which I doubt, then the real Seer needs to remain hidden.

220: suspicion of LMP

225: to Firefoot: I agree with you that there has to be a mastermind behind it and yes, all of us have shown tallent, I'm not denying that. But now we have to add you in there to, don't we? You've had a lot of good theories going around. So there's a chance that you could be a Wolf. But I'm pretty sure that you are innocent and that either Lalaith or Lmp or both are a Wolf. That's why I don't trust them and they are at the top of my suspect list. I'm definetly watching them.

232: As for Wilwa (or the Seer) dreaming of me tonight, go right ahead and dream about me. But you'll be wasting a dream. I honestly think we should be putting that dream towards Lalaith, the one person no one is certain of. She has been accused quite a bit, or has been on people's suspicion list.

The upshot is that Glirdan has been quite consistent in suspecting Lalaith & me.

If Lalaith is a werewolf, Glirdan has been too all over her to be a werewolf too, so these to are mutually exclusive. Any slips of the tongue & flip-flopping are overbalanced by the straightforwardness of his thinking in general. I'm leaning toward his innocence. So I'm officially not suspecting Glirdan as much as others.

My notes on the rest of the suspects are too verbose, so for clarity's sake I'll save them for another post.

[Eonwe]

What do you say, Eonwe?

ok i might as well be blunt. i saw what i saw there is no mistaking it. but like you said, there is not really all that much to be gleaned. just some mutually dependent situations:

kittana is a wolf. wayne is trying to look like he is confusing people but in fact is really naming a wofl, thinkng people will discredit his confusion ploy, and clear kittana

kittana is not a wolf: wayne is just trying to be confusing.

so i don't want to spend allot of time on it, just something to use in support of whatever position you take on kitanna :p ;) .

cross posted with lmp.

[Glirdan]

Also he's lately been after Lalaith--whom I suspect of being his fellow-wolf.

Now why would you say that? Because of the fact that I strongly suspect her of being a Wolf? I've already voted for her once and she might be getting my vote again. It's either her or Lmp.

He played fast and loose with the voting record yesterDAY--did he really think we weren't going to notice that?

Now what do you mean by this? Do you mean that I strayed from who I would have voted for (Lalaith or Lmp is who it would have been) and voted for a known Wolf? Or is it what I said about spreading out the votes? Because if it's that, let me clarify this for everyone. That was just a suggestion and I knew right away that nobody would do this because we had finally caught a Wolf. I knew it was a waste of time, but I went and sugested it anyway for one reason. To see what you all had to say about it and to try and get a feeling from what you all said. And I can say now that Lmp's response to it was just like my response to his leader plan, which made me really uneasy. I really don't trust him. He's smart, perhaps to smart. He's so smart that some of you, if he's not innocent, got lulled into a false sense of security and trust him, which is exactly what he would want. Because once he had enough people who tust him, he could get them to be persuaed in voting for someone who's innocent. I'm not attacking them, I'm voicing my suspicion for them. I'm not as suspicious about Kitanna or you tar, but neither of you are sitting easy with me. Has no one thought up a possible Kitanna/tar combination? Kitanna would be the very quiet laid back one where as tar would be the outspoken one. And with tar suspecting Kitanna, he can use that to distance himself from her. I suggest looking more into a Kitanna/tar combination.

[Kitanna]

Eonwe, when did you see this Wayne post? Because until yesterday I remember him only making about three posts. I've gone back and looked for it, but I haven't found it.

[littlemanpoet]

Now what do you mean by this? I think it was your mistaken tally of the votes at the beginning of yesterDay (or was that toDay?).

[littlemanpoet]

notes on tar-ancalime

I just don't trust her. But the case against her isn't strong.

post 51: questions LMP, criticizes leader plan, suspects Anguirel, votes Anguirel

135: I have to admit some uneasiness with Lalaith myself, despite what I think is sound reasoning regarding Kuru's death: who better to expound the correct theory than a wolf? By showing us her hand in this way (explaining the reasons for Kuru's death) she's being "helpful," which is so valuable this early in the game; could she be a clever wolf trying to clear herself by being a little forthcoming?

Establishes a plausible either/or between Lalaith and tar-ancalime

if Lalaith is a wolf, then lmp and Anguirel are not.

I have to say that I'm less suspicious of Glirdan than some others seem to be--he appears to me to be working out his thoughts in plain sight, without any guile, and when he changes his mind it's because he's reexamined something. I actually find his posts a little refreshing and they seem to me to be very honest.

Glirdan, Firefoot, and Kitanna seem likely innocent to me.

147: to lmp: I utterly regret that in this post I'm doing much the same by rising to your so obviously proffered bait, but there it is. At least you have pushed me out into the open with the root of my suspicions of you, and even caused me to think through them more carefully.

160:
:
Though incidentally I'm inclined to think tar-ancalime and wilwa to be your fanged backing.

That's where you're wrong, Anguirel dah-ling. If I were a wolf, I would be NO ONE's backup singer.

234: logical as all get-out why wilwa must be understood as seer regardless of her validity.

I feel very strongly that even debating wilwa's veracity is beside the point. No matter who or what she really is, it can only help us to take her advice for at least one DAY and lynch Wayne.

252: logical as all get-out again

287: casts mild aspersions on Kitanna. Sets up dichotomy between Glirdan and Lalaith, sets up pairing between Glirdan and Lalaith; the upshot of these is: "if Glirdan is innocent, then Lalaith is innocent, and if Glirdan is innocent, LMP is a wolf, so let's lynch Glirdan; when he proves to be innocent, we'll see that LMP is a wolf." What she interestingly leaves unsaid is the opposite of the former pairing: if Glirdan is innocent, then Lalaith is a werewolf. If tar-were proven to be correct, which is quite likely, she would obviously campaign for my lynching; if she were successful, she gets the villagers to NOT lynch Lalaith or tar-ancalime for two whole Days. If tar-ancalime and Lalaith are werewolves, that buys precious time, which would bring the numbers from 7 innocent to 2 wolves, to 3 innocent to 2 wolves. We cannot afford to buy into her logic. Actually, she says that she's pretty much suspicous of all of us, leaving the whole post rather moot. But I think her charges against Glirdan look rather trumped up. I'm not sure what to think of her. I'm suspicious, but the proof is not really there. The charges can be trumped up (my current favorite word), but they're not as weighty as my second impressions took them to be.

[Eonwe]

unless i am halucinating, he deleted it. here is how it happened, possibly in my tormented mind (though i doubt it). wayne posted some very short comment about you being a wolf. i went to post and ask him why he suspected this. after i posted, mine was a lonesome post, randomly asking why. i can't think of a reason i would do it unless there acually was a post. hmmm...but like we said, lets not spend so much time on conjecture.


Innocent:

Anguirel
Eonwe
Firefoot
Wilwarin538

To be suspected:

Kitanna – highly (in my opinion)
Glirdan
Lalaith
littlemanpoet
tar-ancalime


here's the votes from yesterday:


wilwa - wayne
wayne - wilwa
glirdan - wayne
kittana - wayne
tar - wayne
celuien - wayne
firefoot – glirdan
lal – wayne
lmp – wayne
me – wayne
ang – wayne

analysis could possible follow....


ps. hunter, consider...

[littlemanpoet]

I'm really sorry to be turning into such a thread hog, but well, start posting a lot more, somebody!

post 25

What would happen if people said as little as possible on DAY ONE and then just voted. We might be able to pick up a few tells or force the wolves out in the open because they think they could pick off somebody. Unfortunately, this would be at least as open to manipulation as any other opening strategy. They would probably just vote for different people they hoped wouldn't get hung (which is potentially what they will do anyway).

That is quite interesting, but I see a few problems with it. If almost nothing was sad and no hints dropped here or there and at the end of day all the villagers just voted at random, well I think it is possible that no single villager would get more than one vote. And if everyone voted for a completely different villager what would that really tell us? With complete silence on DAY 1, well, I think that could be as bad as too much chatiness. I must say that would be an interesting plan though, but I really can't see it helping the village.

50: supports LMP leader plan, but on Day 2 or 3. - questions Glirdan.

Then in his next post he is quick to remove much of his suspicions from lmp and put them on Eonwe. Now I can take this two ways. 1) Glirdan is innocent and has truly changed his mind and sees Eonwe as more of a threat than lmp. 2) He is a wolf and he is changing his mind quickly because he wants to find an innocent to latch on too. Now I am quite inclined to believe number one, mainly because his quick change of opinion draws attention which is not what a wolf would want. But I will also take into account a clever wolf will use such a tactic because the village would not expect it. I will continue to watch him for now.

79: summary of what others are saying, little actual commentary

129: My suspect list:

Wilwa~ For her defense and plea against Bergil’s vote. It seemed as though she was doing all she could to throw off suspicion of herself. Then of course her vote for Bergil.

Wayne~ As the first to cast a vote for Bergil it is possible he tried to get others to follow because several had mentioned Bergil’s vote as strange and his reason too random.

And a distant third Lalaith

Lalaith~ for what could be taken as an attempt to save wolf fellow Wilwa from the noose. Though that is not the best reason which is why she is far down from Wilwa and Wayne. Note how this last suspicion seems to clear Lalaith if Wilwa turns out to be innocent, which a werewolf would know while writing this.

140: I agree that perhaps one wolf is hiding in that mix, but I would say only one. So if lmp is a wolf Anguriel and Lalaith are not, or if Anguriel is a wolf lmp and Lalaith are not. Out of the three I am least suspicious of lmp.

Now I'd like to address Wayne again. Lalaith and Wilwa both gave reasons as to their votes for Bergil, you have not. Wilwa and Lalaith have been defending/listing suspects, you have not. It's dangerous for a werewolf to draw such attention to another werewolf.

153: I find all this tar talk interesting. I never would have thought twice about her post if lmp had not brought it to light as far too cool and calculating. So clearly she needs a good deal of watching. And I was very swayed by lmp and Firefoot's analysis of her. But I'm not sure I really want to vote for her. I have suspicions of Wilwa, Lalaith, and Tar all equally now. I'd throw Wayne in there too because of his unhelpful posts as well. So that leaves me with four to vote for. Lalaith seems to have gained suspicion as a Jykle/Hyde of the village. She is also the one who called for the village to talk much. Talking a lot = Confusion and confusion = wolf breeding ground. I think perhaps Lalaith and Wilwa may be wolves working together. Don't ask me why...just a gut feeling. Tomorrow I will take a much harder look at tar and Lalaith, but if Wayne does not provide substance in his posts then I may just go after him out of sheer annoyance. Risky for a werewolf to name one out of three werewolves as her main suspects; on the other hand, making it a triumverate actually tends to whitewash the werewolf in the midst with the innocence of the other two, don't you think? I find triumverates a rather dicey way to present; look at ALL the suspects (should take this advice more myself! :p)

197: Should I have been one of your dreams Wilwa please, feel free to reveal to the village. guilt clearing words, placed where they are, likely spoken by an innocent?

203: Though I do believe Wilwa may be the seer even if she's not I highly doubt she is a wolf. I feel prepares if not the seer she is possibly pulling a Fea thing and saying she is when in truth she is the ranger/hunter. I feel though she is innocent now.

If Wilwa is not the seer I still think Wayne may be a wolf. Judging by his response to her claim.

This is difficult to decipher, or else I'm getting too tired. Doesn't really tell us much.

210: Her coming out as seer is a very foolish move if she's a wolf and Wilwa should know that. Doing something like that draws so much attention and then when her "wolf" is lynched and proved innocent everyone knows, the real seer has probably dreamt of her and is going to rat her out and the seer-wolf loses and a good chance comes about that the team will be discovered and they would lose. The wolves don't want that. Wilwa as a wolf and saying she is the seer seems far too stupid a plan for the wolves to try to establish.

264 she says there's a lot to lose by double lynching

Rather inconclusive, too, darn it. She's not giving much away; neither is she seeming entirely innocent. Gah!

[Kitanna]

Anywho looking back at the last two days posts I find myself thinking lmp is innocent. He's clearly smart so some of his posts are too risky, even for one so smart, for a wolf to try. Yesterday in his first vote after Wilwa said she was the seer he said if the real seer was out there he should come forth. I feel that is something a wolf wouldn't say. It's almost like "hey! expose yourself to us so I can attack you at night!" Too risky.

Then of course another thing he suggested was a double-lynch. Wolf suicide really. I find all of his actions far too risky, almost stupid, to make him a wolf.

The going back before yesterday he was the one trying to exgage us into conversations. Wolves want silence. His elect a leader plan and others of the like don't seem to me like something a wolf would do. Maybe I'm being naive and under estimating him, but I think he is most likely an innocent.

Right now I am inclined to think that and keep that. So that leaves tar, Glirdan, and Lalaith.

I feel perhaps Glirdan changes his mind very quickly on matters. And it has been happening since day one. I pointed out how strange I found his quick changes then, but pushed it to the back of my mind after that. I wish I hadn't. Glirdan keeps going back and forth with his ideas. One post he feels a person is innocent then in the next post they are probably a wolf. Glirdan is confusing in many ways and that is an easy way for him to hide.

That's all I have for the moment. Glirdan was easy to look at because thanks to lmp most of his posts were outlined so I didn't have to keep going back to page one or to page whatever and search out his posts. Lalaith and tar will take me longer to look at.

[Glirdan]

Anywho looking back at the last two days posts I find myself thinking lmp is innocent. He's clearly smart so some of his posts are too risky, even for one so smart, for a wolf to try. Yesterday in his first vote after Wilwa said she was the seer he said if the real seer was out there he should come forth. I feel that is something a wolf wouldn't say. It's almost like "hey! expose yourself to us so I can attack you at night!" Too risky.

Then of course another thing he suggested was a double-lynch. Wolf suicide really. I find all of his actions far too risky, almost stupid, to make him a wolf.

The going back before yesterday he was the one trying to exgage us into conversations. Wolves want silence. His elect a leader plan and others of the like don't seem to me like something a wolf would do. Maybe I'm being naive and under estimating him, but I think he is most likely an innocent.

Exactly why I suspect him Kitanna. Lmp is smart and would think about these things all the time. He would have thought out all of those things before posting them, trying to think of the outcome of what would happen. That's why I think a dream here would have been more beneficial here. It would have cleared a lot of things up. A dream would have been beneficial for Lalaith and myself for the same reasons. Yes I named myself, even though I know I'm innocent, a dream of me would have cleared a lot of things up for you guys as well. All three of us have been under great suspicion, but now there is only one way to find out who's innocent and who's not...

*I only have about twenty minutes left before I have to vote. Even though tomorrow's the weekend, I have to go to school for rehershalls for the musical at noon and I won't be getting out of rehershall until 4, which is voting time for me.*

I wish the other would post more and give us there input. It would help me in my choosing greatly.

[littlemanpoet]

More thread hogging, but I'm glad to see more posts from others.

post 6: good suggestion to talk as much as we can

post 58: disagrees with leader plan but is grateful for discussion fodder; thinks LMP probably innocent except for niggling doubt based on reputation

post 77: worried about LMP's blithe disregard for timezones

post 80: uncomfortable with Glirdan, watching LMP, questions: Firefoot, Menel, Anguirel, Kuru (latter 4 proven innocent), comfy with Kath & Eonwe, not sure about Cel, tar, Kitanna

101: explains vote for Firefoot as resulting from FF's seeming hypocracy.

posts thru 116: seem straightforward but largely empty of meaningful content

126: arguing and then pointing out the arguing.

155: thoughts on wolves and wolf strategy - shows someone doing a lot of thinking like a wolf, unable to resist the temptation to share it with the innocents?

(Celuien, I think you misunderstood me, I never thought Kuru was the Seer. I have my own theories on that, which I'm certainly not going to discuss openly when wolves are listening.)

This is why I was giving LMP a hard time yesterday and this morning, his insistence on people following his plan in accordance with his own timezone seemed unreasonable and therefore wolvish.

The best way for wolves to protect each other is by starting a bandwagon against an innocent they think is likely to be an acceptable suspect to the rest of the villagers. This is where people like Wayne come in very handy for wolves, which is why I was quite reluctant to vote for him yesterday. It is also why I feel very suspicious of wilwa's abrupt attack on me this morning - an early start of a bandwagon, I wondered - although I know she has time constraints which could explain her hastiness. turns things around, which seeing that Wayne is a werewolf - if she knew this, and that Wilwa was innocent, sets things in a bad light for Wilwa. This makes Lalaith look suspicious to me.

Now, someone is inevitably going to come along and say "oh look how much Lalaith knows about wolves, how suspicious". But that sort of comment would be silly and disingenuous - without wanting to break spawn's rules, we are all veterans here. classic "cover my butt" qualifier

I like a lot of tar-a says, although it doesn't necessarily absolve her in my eyes. - nice words for a fellow werewolf?

It is strange and ironic that Glirdan, who was my chief suspect yesterday, votes for me today.

Wilwa, my dear, getting me lynched will be definitely be your second mistake. Bold words if from a werewolf.

164: I've been going through the list trying out different wolf combos, and one triumvirate just occurred to me which kind of works, logically:

Wayne/Glirdan/wilwarin. Two of these I now trust not to be werewolves; and this trick of creating plausible triumvirates, is suspicious.

171: Now, being innocent myself I can't know for definite who is a wolf and who is innocent. as if she's rehearsing how an innocent might think in order to get it right? or, by turning the grammatical construction into a gerund, it somehow pulls away some of the force of it, so that it might slip by the unwary eye?

195: in response to Wilwa coming out as the seer: Well, well...this is all very intriguing. I'd be delighted to hear what the rest of you have to say to this. Doesn't really tell us much. But if she's a werewolf, it lends a different tone to the words, no?

201: I'm not being funny or anything wilwa, and I'm sorry to be so suspicious, truly I am.
But can I just say that if it so happens that wilwa is not the seer, could the real seer please refrain from revealing themselves? This post seems like something from an innocent; maybe that's why it's there - a very tricksy wolf would not refrain from saying such a thing.

208: lining up with Firefoot - but honestly, darn it.

218: good analysis

219: Glirdan, there's no point spreading votes around that I can see. The remaining wolves will vote for Wayne now, I expect, but so will most of the rest of us, so it won't tell us much.I agreed with this.

250: Wilwa, you're welcome to dream of me tonight if you like, it would be a bit boring (for me) as I'd much rather know the identity of LMP or Anguirel I can see this post either way.

I think I'm going mad with paranoia...I suddenly thought, what if Wilwa, LMP and Firefoot were wolves? Firefoot attacks wilwa's revelation, then is calmed by wilwa's assurance that she (Firefoot) is an ordinary villager. Then LMP comes out with his plan for a second lynching (of an innocent). Firefoot agrees... If she's a werewolf, this is a clever piece of suggestion.

254: the whole double-lynching plan seems too risky

Actually, having reviewed yesterday's voting, it's quite unlikely that lmp and wilwa are both wolves, given that lmp gave her a third vote at a time when there was no Menel bandwagon to speak of. But anything is possible I suppose. It gets interesting when my name shows up in these things. What would a werewolf's purpose be in bringing me up, suggesting that I'm innocent? Linkage to someone who seems innocent on the strength of the vote?

All that said, of the four left, I'm most suspicious of Lalaith.

[Glirdan]

All of those points are very interesting Lmp. You're right in saying that Lalaith is most suspicious and that's who my vote will probably be for once again. There's just something about her that's not quite sitting right, along with all those points. Even though she stopped her Jackyl/Hyde routine, there's still a lot of things pointing to the fact that she's the second Werewolf.

Your points on tar also make me feel a little more uneasy about her. I'm definetly keeping an eye on her from now on.

Now because of this latest bit of information, I'm leaning towards thinking that you are innocent. Why would a Wolf go out and say such things about (possibly) another lycan? For the longest time I"ve been thinking that you and Lalaith were the other two Wolves, but now I'm not so sure. If Lalaith turns out to be a Wolf, that clears you, unless the Cursed gets attacked at Night. But if she turns out to be innocent, the you definetly will be the top of my suspect list.

[Glirdan]

Well, it's time for me to make my vote. Don't expect to hear from me at all for the rest of the Day. I'm going to go visit our dear Ranger (may you rest in peace) and expect to be there all Day. *In other words I'm busy tomorrow* So here's my vote

++Lalaith

Like I said, something's not sitting right. Also read Lmp's analysis of her for further reason's of my vote. Good night all and I pray that I'm right in thinking that Lalaith is the second Wolf.

[littlemanpoet]

Now because of this latest bit of information, I'm leaning towards thinking that you are innocent.Well, thank you. We haven't been very helpful to each other, I fear, but maybe we can ally against the real feral fanged ones. If Lalaith turns out to be a Wolf, that clears you, unless the Cursed gets attacked at Night. Well, not entirely, but I appreciate the provisional confidence. But if she turns out to be innocent, the you definetly will be the top of my suspect list.I'll just have to take that risk. One thing's for sure: we need to get another werewolf in the next two Days, or we're in deep trouble.

[tar-ancalime]

Actually, she says that she's pretty much suspicous of all of us, leaving the whole post rather moot. But I think her charges against Glirdan look rather trumped up.

Well, it only stands to reason, doesn't it? I have four suspects and two wolves. Absent any kind of certainty (which I definitely don't have at this point), the first logical thing to do is to make out the best case against each person. It's what you're doing, what everyone is doing, and after we've done it we compare notes and then lynch someone like the bloodthirsty mob we are.

Thanks for your posts, by the way, lmp--you have certainly spent a lot more time toDAY on analysis than I have, and I'm the first to admit that all four of my cases are trumped-up to some degree. It takes time and effort to create the valuable products you villagers are so actively spurning; I've spent the better part of the day in a delicate operation by which I hope to combine the Powder of Sympathy with a juicy raw steak, in the hope of catching a wolf mid-snack.

However, some more thoughts occur to me now, having read through your and others' posts:

It still seems that the most is to be gained from looking at Glirdan, Lalaith, and lmp. In a remarkable reverse from yesterDAY's call for a double lynch, lmp now seem to be convinced of Glirdan's innocence.

Glirdan returns his trust to some degree, and the two of them have agreed that Lalaith is the most likely lycan among us. Glirdan has already voted for her, and not for the first time.

Glirdan suspects Lalaith and lmp; he reluctantly accepts lmp's contention that Lalaith is the most suspicious, but says that if she turns out innocent then lmp is at the top of his list.

lmp notes that Glirdan has suspected Lalaith too consistently for it to be a wolf double-cross; on consideration I tend to agree with that and even as I was writing my post it occurred to me that the Glirdan-Lalaith wolf duo was perhaps the weakest link in my logic; but it was the best I had and like I said, we've all got to be as open as we can about our suspicions, if for no other reason than to let others point out our errors.

As for Lalaith's actual posts, she is difficult to get a handle on. I think it's because she tends to post general strategic advice instead of specific discussion or analysis--a lot of posts in which she admits to "thinking like a wolf," for example. And anytime anyone does that, it can obviously be understood in two ways, perhaps depending on the reader's existing impression of the writer.

So:

In a reversal, lmp suspects Lalaith but not Glirdan.

Glirdan suspects lmp and Lalaith but agrees that Lalaith is the bigger threat.

And it's so hard to know just what Lalaith thinks....but I still think that these three characters are going to get my focus for the rest of the DAY. I am no longer so sure that I will vote for Glirdan, but you can bet my vote will go to one of these three.

[tar-ancalime]

I'm going to have to stop trying to predict my vote!

It occurred to me that while there is a morass of suspicion surrounding lmp, Glirdan, and Lalaith, I really only do think there's one wolf in that mix.

That leaves one wolf, and one suspect: Kitanna.

I am going in circles today!

I'll have to vote fairly soon but I'd love to hear some commentary from wilwa, Anguirel, Firefoot, and Eonwe before I do so.

[tar-ancalime]

Several DAYS ago I advised Anguirel not to try to lynch one person in order to test another. I am convinced that among lmp, Glirdan, and Lalaith there is one wolf; I am not, however, certain as to which one. Therefore I'm going to retract my earlier statement that we should lynch Glirdan in order to find out about Lalaith and lmp. This is both because lmp has pointed out a pretty serious flaw in my logic, and because I do think the advice I gave Anguirel was sound and I intend to follow it myself.

Several DAYS ago lmp began talking about Occam's Razor--the idea that all else being equal, the simplest solution is the best. I can't for the life of me find a simple solution among lmp, Glirdan, and Lalaith, so I'm going to follow that logic to its natural conclusion and it tells me that Kitanna is our third wolf. There is no one else.

So, although until toDAY I hadn't really paid her much attention at all, here goes:

++ Kitanna

[Lalaith]

Here I am. A goosegirl can have a lie in on a Sunday morning, can't she?

Celuien's death is very interesting, actually. Anguirel pointed out yesterday that she could be considered innocent because of the timing of her vote for Wayne. So her death was not as random as all that. And neither of wilwa's declared innocents were killed. Wilwa's own take on this is quite plausible - that the Ranger could have protected any one of those three.
But there are other explanations, too.
I've only skimmed through the posts so far, and I see that so far Glirdan voted for me today and Tar-a for Kitanna.
I'm not sure what to do, I really am not. For toDAY, I think we're obviously right not to vote from wilwa's list of cleared innocents. This may or may not change tomorrow.
I'm don't have time to scrutinise everyone's posts in detail right now. I'll be back later. As for the others - well, I've just seen our poor jester, mad as a bag of snakes, gibbering in the pond his hair full of goosefeathers, so I fear he may not be joining us today.
(In other words, he posted on the WW admin thread about his online issues.)

[Eonwe]

man, we so should have followed through with lmp's plan and lynched glirdan. that would have cleared up allot. no glirdan (or offense either, by the way), and the votes would be much nicer to look at. oh well.

ok, i don't have much else to say, other than

++kitanna

don't like how she talks, especially today, adn don't like how she voted. if i was a wolf, i would first in line to stab wayne. she was second.

[wilwarin538]

I to must vote early I'm afraid.

++Kitanna

Now its pretty obvious that I'm dead toNight, so this will most likely be my last post ever. :(

I'm thinking Glirdan and LMP are innocent.

I'd lynch Lalaith tomorrow.

Can't say much about Tar.

Sorry its so short, but I gotta run. Its been fun! :D

[Kitanna]

Well I'm too busy today to go back and read through everything. And it seems stupid and pointless for me now anyway.

++ Kitanna

[Firefoot]

Let's see, I don't really have to add a lot to what's been said. I'm rather confused by Kitanna's response; that is not the type of response I would have expected from her. Her vote puts the voting at:

Lalaith – 1 (Glirdan 1)
Kitanna – 4 (tar 2, Eonwe 3, Wilwa 4, Kitanna 5)

There are four votes left - myself, LMP, Ang (who has said he may not be around), and Lalaith. Right now I'd say it looks pretty certain that Kitanna's going to be the (only) one dying toDay. It seems unlikely to me that she is the Hunter, since if she were I don't think she would be quite so bitter. So tomorrow that will in all likelihood leave us with Lalaith, Glirdan, and tar (and LMP, but I really don't suspect him much. His analyses were most helpful), one or two of whom to be wolves. If Kitanna is a wolf, I will be looking at Glirdan and tar tomorrow, since, as I have said before, I doubt all three wolves voted the same way on Day 2. I probably would have preferred to lynch one of them today but that doesn't seem to be much of an option. I don't think double lynching is the best solution to the problem here; we should probably just go with Kitanna today and then take it from there.

[Lalaith]

Why did you do that Kitanna? The field was still open, there were five of us left to vote...and I for one would only have voted for you if I had to, to save myself. You're not very high on my list of suspects. Mind you, my list is a bit of a mess at the moment. Sigh. I've now read all the posts of today and I'm still not feeling at all confident about anything.
And it's so hard to know just what Lalaith thinks
Tell me about it, tar-a, today I don't know what to think. I know what tar-a means about logic going round in circles. Part of the problem is that there are still doubts swirling around in my mind, I'll feel more clear and focused tomorrow. (I'm assuming here that I will still be here tomorrow, and that poor Wilwa will be killed tonight...)
And I personally would have much preferred wilwa to dream of someone other than Eonwe, who I was already feeling fairly comfortable about.
One point I should clear up, LMP:
What would a werewolf's purpose be in bringing me up,
What I was referring to was my earlier bit of paranoia, whereby you, wilwa and Firefoot were all werewolves, I realised that my reasoning was flawed because it was unlikely for you and wilwa both to be werewolves due to voting patterns. (And of course that particular triumvirate theory has now collapsed anyway as Wayne was a wolf.)
My inclination, given my current confusion, is to go with the consensus today.

(just seen Firefoot's post, clearly as surprised by Kitanna as I am)

[Kitanna]

Why did you do that Kitanna?
I'd like to explain the stupid and pointless thing to clear up confusion. Personally, I will not have the time to say anything for the last few days. I have a mountain of homework waiting to get done. So I feel for me to stay in and only have time to come on and vote without any reason is silly for me to do. It's not going to help anyone if I do that. That's why I voted for myself.

[Lalaith]

Ah, ok. Well maybe it's for the best then.
++KITANNA

[littlemanpoet]

I'd like to explain the stupid and pointless thing to clear up confusion. Personally, I will not have the time to say anything for the last few days. I have a mountain of homework waiting to get done. So I feel for me to stay in and only have time to come on and vote without any reason is silly for me to do. It's not going to help anyone if I do that. That's why I voted for myself.

In other words, Kitanna's vote for herself tells us nothing about her guilt or innocence. That's what I suspected.

I'm rather intrigued by tar's take on Occam's Razor, such that Kitanna is one werewolf, leaving Glir, Lal, & me as a "triumverate" amongst whom there is one more. On that logic, I know I'm not a werewolf (I don't expect anybody to take that at face value, decide for yourselves), I am confident that Glirdan is not a werewolf, and would like to hear more from Firefoot why she thinks he is, which leaves (of the triuverate), Lalaith as the remaining werewolf. That is, of course, presuming the innocence of tar, which is in no wise a cleared up issue for me. However, enough votes may be garnered for a double lynching again, of Kitanna & Lalaith, but only with the cooperation of Lalaith. Hah. Fat chance. Since that's the case, I might as well put in my vote for....

++ KITANNA

..... well aware that mine is the deciding vote. If she is a werewolf, my credibility is improved (though not guaranteed); if she is innocent, I suddenly look pretty bad ... again. But that's not guaranteed either.

One last thing to point out: there are two people about whom we keep on saying "says much and gives analysis but you can't determine guilt or innocence by it" - those two are Kitanna & Lalaith. But to complicate things, I find the same thing to be true of tar-ancalime. So in my opinion, which is actually only reiterating what I've said before, our two werwolves are to be found amongst those three.

Finally, thanks very much, Wilwa, for identifying a werewolf and bestowing upon us three known innocents. You have really aided the chances of a villager victory .... that is, if you're not lying through your teeth. With no Ranger, the werewolves must kill you tonight, so I bid you in advance fond rememberances: may you rest in peace, though I do not doubt it will also be in pieces. :p

If Wilwa survives the night, it is because the werewolves are making a desperate gambit to make her look like a liar and throw us all off the hunt. So just in case, let me suggest that Wilwa dream of Lalaith, and the Hunter pick the same. Those are suggestions, of course; I have never tried to force myself upon this group as leader, though I have been accused of it. I can't help it if you see me as a likely leader, but I have never demanded it of anyone. Just a little "bone" to pick there (coughLalaithcough).

EDIT: cross posted with Lalaith. I may have typed out my vote before she did, but that doesn't count. Therefore, the "cleared" or "not cleared" that is no guarantee now falls to Lal as much as me. Well, that's just mucky and mirey as most of this game has been, since we yet again have a bandwagon.

[wilwarin538]

Actually I have reread every post since the start of the game. I admit I might have been wrong about Lalaith. I'm going to dream of tar-a toNight, if anything to get rid of this uncertainty I now have for her.

It seems that ever since the start both Kitanna and tar-a, and Wayne for that matter were all very quiet. Though Tar and Kitanna posted a little more. It just seems like both of them have been doing a good job of avoiding suspicion, for the most part.

I think perhaps that Tar would be a better lynch choice for toMorrow.

Now that was definetely my last post.

Again, its been fun, and thanks LMP. :)

[Firefoot]

As for why I think Glirdan could be a wolf... it's basically because I haven't seen anything to make him seem innocent to me. He is less suspicious than tar and about the same as Lalaith right now. At this point, there are so few suspects that anyone who doesn't actually seem innocent to me is on my suspect list. Of those three, tar is my top suspect.

And even though it's pretty pointless:

++Kitanna

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Shadows had already grown long as the villagers trod to the square. The villagers had decided: Kitanna had got to be a wolf. Her vote had been rather peculiar, besides, what kind of an honest people would become a goat herder, anyway?

"Time to separate the sheep from the goats", Anguirel muttered.

"Yeah, yeah, I'm not in the mood for this now. I'm busy, so try to be quick with this, will you?" Kitanna snorted.

The villagers agreed that Kitanna's request was reasonable. Now the only question was, how they could lynch her as swiftly as possible.

"We could stone her", Wilwarin suggested.

"No, no, there's not enough rocks close at hand and it would take too long to go collecting some", tar-ancalime remarked.

"Oh, I know, we can break her back", Lalaith said pointing at thick branches on the ground, but her idea was turned down. "That wouldn't necessarily kill her instantly. It could take even minutes to get her lynched like that", Glirdan said.

"Let's just have her head and be done with it", Eonwe and littlemanpoet cried.

"You slothful slackers! I really don't have time for this", Kitanna snarled, and with that, she fell on all fours and underwent a hideous metamorphosis. In front of the villagers' eyes crouched now Kitanna in most unearthy form. Bristling her back hair the beast charged forward, but before she reached any of the gaping villagers (or Firefoot's dog), a stone of the size of a fist thwacked her between the eyes with a nasty thud. Only seconds after, the villagers had cracked Kitanna's backbone and cut her head off. It was a bloody mess, but granted, it didn't take long. The villagers had killed already their second wolf!



Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Firefoot - traveller who has a dog
Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan
Wilwarin538 - official town daydreamer

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4
Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4

Score:
Villagers: 8
Wolves: 1

It is now Night 5. Wolf, Seer and Hunter, send me your picks, please. The Night ends in 24 hours at 9:00 pm. GMT. Good Night, sleep tight!

[littlemanpoet]

As for why I think Glirdan could be a wolf... it's basically because I haven't seen anything to make him seem innocent to me. What about his consistent suspicion of Lalaith? Werewolves are rarely that consistent, needing to "go with the flow" of debate, unless they don't have to, of course.....

Go ahead, Spawn, I'll shut up now.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

"Let me show you the world in my eyes"



As expected, Wilwarin538 didn't show up to the square that morning. Although the villagers understood that the remaining wolf had probably been rather thorough with her, they went to call on her cabin.

Wilwarin lived in a pretty little house that had white window ledges, lace curtains and a veranda made of gingerbread. Daisies and Lilies flourished in her garden and the whole setting looked very dreamy as it bathed in the morning light. The villagers knocked on her door without getting any answer. After a little pursuit they found a key under a flower pot and opened the door.

Nothing inside the house suggested that something was wrong. Everything was nice and clean there and a dozy silence hung in the air. The group wandered around the house, but they saw no sign of Wilwarin. "Where is the poor dear", they whispered as they climbed upstairs to her bedroom. It was empty as well, but on her night table they saw her dream journal. She had been the Seer after all.

A terrible croaking and screeching outside the house broke the calm dawn and interrupted the villagers' search. They rushed downstairs, through the house and out of the door to Wilwarin's backyard. Her beautiful flower beds and vegetable patches were swarming with crows and ravens. Completely oblivious to a scarecrow in a corner of the yard, the birds squabbled over food with their feathers flying. Suddenly to the horror of the villagers, they realized that it was no scarecrow that guarded the garden so poorly, but it was their daydreamer who was impaled with a hay pole and she stared at the villagers with empty eye sockets and an agonized grimace on her fair face. Down at her feet, two crows fought for her eyes until the other one flew away with his catch.



Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Firefoot - traveller who has a dog
Glirdan - undead with Michael Jackson's nose
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4
Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4
Wilwarin538(seer) - eyes plucked out and made into a scarecrow on Night 5

Score:
Villagers: 7
Wolves: 1

It is now Day 5. Wolf, you may PM with yourself if you want to. Villagers, you have a chance to end this toDay. Have fun!
Ps. Sorry about yesterDay.

[Firefoot]

Dear Wilwa, may you rest in peace. Sorry I doubted you.

Of the people left... 1. tar, 2. Glirdan and 3. Lalaith. My suspicion of Glirdan is almost purely circumstantial - in all likelihood I will not be voting for him today. As for Lalaith, I had been intending to hold her as innocent based on the supposition that all three wolves would not vote the same; however, being that Wayne was the last to vote and his vote seemed a little odd anyway, I'm not going to wholly discount her. I probably won't be voting for her either, though. That only leaves tar, whom I've been suspicious of for a while anyway. At this point, I don't see any reason why my vote would not go to her.

[Lalaith]

Don't forget LMP, Firefoot.....he's not been proved innocent either....

I confess that you could have knocked me down with one of my own goose feathers when I found out Kitanna's wolf status. It's a question of back to the drawing board theory-wise, as far as I'm concerned...I'm going to bed now but I'll be back to talk in the morning.

[Firefoot]

But I'm not suspicious of him. At any rate, I would be knocking him down a few notches for the same reasons as you, and I've been figuring him innocent for quite a while now. I don't see much reason to focus my suspicions there today.

[littlemanpoet]

Sorry for not showing up sooner for the discussion. Getting Wilwa unimpaled, making fake eyes, making them fit just right, cleaning up all the blood, cleaning and clothing the corpse in Wilwa's best, digging the grave, scribbling all kinds of bad rough drafts for the epitaph, it all takes time.

Thanks again for the confidence in my innocence, Firefoot. I promise you that it will not go unrewarded (as much as in my power as a fellow innocent).

Lalaith, I don't buy your "surprised" act.

I also don't understand, Firefoot, why you're looking so hard at tar-ancalime when it was her use of Occam's Razor that singled out Kitanna as a must-be werewolf. She was at a point of initiative when she did that, which speaks against her being a werewolf. Think, why would a werewolf start a bandwagon against her much-needed cohort? No, it looks much more like a process of deduction and figuring things out for the best of the group.

I still think Glirdan is innocent, and I think we should go after the one upon whom his suspicion has most consistently rested. Though he's not a known innocent, his behavior in this village, even for a jester, has been all too consistent, in my mind, for him to be a werewolf, and thus his suspicion needs to be given a good look.

And remember, Lalaith is the one villager who has spent the most time "imagining things from the werewolves' perspective". Now, why would she do that so much? Could it be because she's the werewolf? She has a lot to answer for, and had better start defending herself convincingly, or she gets my vote.

[Eonwe]

what a shocking development. ;)

right, tar has my suspicions. i would like to think i did my fair share in catching kitanna. if you look at it in those terms (lets face it, whatever you want to call it, bluffing, confusationing, place your own word here, wayne posted that kitanna was a wolf. unforetunately, i was the only one to see it.) then tar had a very, very worthwhile reason for getting kitanna lynched. your own arguemtns back this up (though, because this is werewolf, you could of course use it or discard it...)

lets see if i can dig up anything else...

[Glirdan]

Wilwa, my dear old friend, may you rest in peace. I'm afraid to say that my time here will be very limited if I last throughout. You will not be seeing a whole lot of me today. I've been mourning the loss of our dear Seer.

*In other words, I had rehersahall and I just got home about fifteen minutes ago*

I'm not entirely sure anymore of who the final Wolf could be. Seeing as Kitanna was the final Wolf, it is highly likely that tar or Lalaith is the final Wolf. I'm now pretty much completely sure of Lmp's innocence. His posts yesterDay really made me think. We really need to find the final Wolf, or else there's a possiblity that he/she might attack the person who is Cursed. I suggest really looking into tar today, yet Lalaith is not at all cleared, not at all.

I also don't understand, Firefoot, why you're looking so hard at tar-ancalime when it was her use of Occam's Razor that singled out Kitanna as a must-be werewolf.

I know this was directed at Firefoot, but let me give me my reasoning for agreeing with her. Tar, Wayne and Kitanna have all been the really quiet ones of the village. They have all suspected each other (or, at least I think they did) and in this way, they thought they'd all be able to distance themselves. They way I see it, tar using the Occam's Razor was their way of Kitanna dropping out and at the same time, an excuse for tar to use to distance and clear herself. I really think that we should be taking a closer look at tar toDay. And you're all going to probably be very susprised at what I'm about to say, she seems more suspicious than Lalaith.

[Firefoot]

Hm... maybe so.

I'll be honest, I probably have not been giving Lalaith as much consideration as I probably should have. She is the one who I had thought was the Seer; her posting style seemed strongly reminscent of it. Obviously this is not the case. Oftentimes gifted villagers do come off as seeming guilty; I suppose the opposite could well be true in this case. And maybe the wolves really did intend for all of them to vote the same way, hoping to throw us off track as I have been. I can see the sense in wanting to vote for Lalaith.

You bring up a valid point about tar having started the bandwagon for Kitanna; this was something I had not considered. I'll admit that I have been looking very little at the voting of the past few days as both have been largely one-directional.Originally posted by Lalaith:
Why did you do that Kitanna? The field was still open, there were five of us left to vote...and I for one would only have voted for you if I had to, to save myself. You're not very high on my list of suspects. When viewed in a "I think she might be a wolf" light, this comment definitely seems suspicious. Also, her continued insistence that no one be discounted (her "don't forget LMP" comment to me, for example), could be seen as evidence that she does not want the field to be narrowed so much because that would mean a higher chance of her getting lynched. Hm... this is looking more convincing to me all the time. I'm surprised I didn't pick up on it before. Goes back to that "once you see someone as a wolf, it's easy to keep on seeing them as a wolf..." The opposite is true as well.

Edit: cross-posting with Eonwe and Glirdan, making me start to wonder about tar again...

[littlemanpoet]

Well, I'm going to throw an extra wrinkle into this.

We may have what I would call the "bait and switch" bluff. It goes like this. Glirdan has spent the entire time accusing and suspecting Lalaith, and pretty much nobody followed his lead. Finally, I started taking him seriously, and now he goes and switches to tar-ancalime, just when there's a real possibility of a consensus developing around Lalaith. Could it be that Glirdan doesn't want Lalaith's status known for sure?

Now, the same thing could be said of me, having been after Glirdan the whole time, then suddenly switching away from him to Lalaith. But nobody else was following me after Glirdan at any point, so if I had been doing a bait and switch, I failed to wait until somebody took the bait. Hence, it doesn't obtain in my case.

And something Firefoot said made me think: gifteds often look guilty. Lalaith looks guilty to me, and there's only one gifted left. Does that combination make sense? Has the remaining werewolf picked up on this and left Lalaith alive for fear of a demise should it attack her at night? I don't know, that's pure speculation.

But that gives me another thought. Since there's only one werewolf left, three known innocents, and one gifted, would it be better for the Hunter to stay hidden, or reveal?

Let's say the Hunter is NOT one of the three known innocents. It's not me, by the way. If the Hunter reveals toDay, what are the choices facing the werewolf? Any ideas?

[tar-ancalime]

Tar, Wayne and Kitanna have all been the really quiet ones of the village. They have all suspected each other (or, at least I think they did) and in this way, they thought they'd all be able to distance themselves. They way I see it, tar using the Occam's Razor was their way of Kitanna dropping out and at the same time, an excuse for tar to use to distance and clear herself.

Have I really been quiet? I suppose the number of my posts has been relatively few, but I'd like to think that I have made up in substance what I lacked in frequency. If not, I do apologize.

Now, as to the unfortunately pervasive idea that a wolf-ancalime lurks among you:

On the advice of our Seer we killed Wayne, ridding the village of one wolf.

The very next DAY we killed Kitanna, taking down another and leaving us with only one, whom we can get toDAY if we vote correctly!

I was the first to vote for Kitanna. I voted quite early due to RL time constraints, it is true; but I voted with conviction. Would a wolf give up her fellow in this way, only a DAY after losing Wayne? Please, give me a little more credit than that!

Also, I'd like to ask Firefoot and Eonwe:

If I'm suspicious, why follow me and vote for Kitanna? If I'm a wolf, wouldn't I lead you down the garden path, so to speak?

And for Lalaith: I can't for the life of me see why you would vote for Kitanna, then post the following:

I confess that you could have knocked me down with one of my own goose feathers when I found out Kitanna's wolf status.

Why on earth would you vote for her if you didn't think she was a wolf?

I apologize for my brevity; I shall certainly be back later in the DAY, but that is all I have time for at the moment. We have a chance to end this toDAY, and I want to see it done.

[littlemanpoet]

And for Lalaith: I can't for the life of me see why you would vote for Kitanna, then post the following:
I confess that you could have knocked me down with one of my own goose feathers when I found out Kitanna's wolf status.Why on earth would you vote for her if you didn't think she was a wolf?

Well done, tar. I already didn't trust her. Now I'm as good as convinced.

I am tempted to up and vote right now for Lalaith, but I think I'd like to hear from her first.

[Glirdan]

Glirdan has spent the entire time accusing and suspecting Lalaith, and pretty much nobody followed his lead. Finally, I started taking him seriously, and now he goes and switches to tar-ancalime, just when there's a real possibility of a consensus developing around Lalaith. Could it be that Glirdan doesn't want Lalaith's status known for sure?

Sorry for the confusion Lmp. I'm not saying that I'm not still suspicious of Lalaith. I'm saying that I find there's still a lot of evidence pointing towards tar being guilty.

Have I really been quiet? I suppose the number of my posts has been relatively few, but I'd like to think that I have made up in substance what I lacked in frequency. If not, I do apologize.

You have been a little quiet. You spoke more than the other two, yet quiet enought to remain under suspicion until a few Days ago.

I was the first to vote for Kitanna. I voted quite early due to RL time constraints, it is true; but I voted with conviction. Would a wolf give up her fellow in this way, only a DAY after losing Wayne? Please, give me a little more credit than that!

I've already stated my reasoning for this right here:

The way I see it, tar using the Occam's Razor was their way of Kitanna dropping out and at the same time, an excuse for tar to use to distance and clear herself.

Draw from that what you might. But I still find that we should investigate tar more.

[Glirdan]

And now I'm afraid to say that I have to cast my vote and I will go for the person I have been attacking constantly.

++Lalaith

I really hope I'm right in this.

*Don't take my amount of voting and time of vote into consideration. I'm having to cope with RL situations and events (rehersalls and other stuff)*

[tar-ancalime]

But that gives me another thought. Since there's only one werewolf left, three known innocents, and one gifted, would it be better for the Hunter to stay hidden, or reveal?

Let's say the Hunter is NOT one of the three known innocents. It's not me, by the way. If the Hunter reveals toDay, what are the choices facing the werewolf? Any ideas?

This is an interesting topic, and here are my thoughts on it:

The Hunter, whomever he/she is, should probably not reveal him/herself. Revealing the Hunter at this point would only help the wolf.

A revealed Hunter is an obvious target for our remaining wolf, and as soon as possible: the wolf would likely try to take the Hunter down while the pool of suspects is as large as possible to lessen the probability of being the Hunter's target. The longer the Hunter stays anonymous, though, the less-appealing of a target s/he makes because of the increased likelihood of the wolf's going down too.

The Hunter, on the other hand, by simply staying alive as long as possible, only increases his/her chances that s/he will choose the right person, because the pool of possible suspects will grow smaller and smaller...provided we don't end the game toDAY, of course, in which case the Hunter's role is (happily) moot.

So, my advice is: unless the Hunter is absolutely sure of the wolf's identity and is looking to provoke a showdown, he or she should keep mum, at least for the next short while. As always, things change so fast that this advice may not hold; but it seems to me that for now the Hunter's best move is to keep quiet.

[Lalaith]

Quick check in, will post more later:

Tar-a, I voted for Kitanna because it was the easiest thing to do, she seemed to want it herself. I honestly didn't think she was a wolf, but as I said, I was feeling so uncertain yesterday that I would have felt worried anywhere I cast my vote.

There's four of us left now and of those I suspect LMP (because he didn't go for Kitanna yesterday - although of course I didn't suspect her either) and Glirdan. (because of the flip-floppy thing). I don't particularly suspect tar-a, because she incriminated Kitanna, and because she seems often to reach the same kind of conclusions I do. (Sorry, tar-a, that doesn't really help you given how much suspicion I am under).
More in about three hours.

[Anguirel]

I think Lalaith really might be a case of barking up the wrong tree, but there are arguments that tell against her. They are certainly not, though, so facile as "she thinks from a werewolf's perspective! She must be a werewolf!" That reasoning is absurd, and sounds like it stems from a witch-hunter's incendiary ramblings...

Her vote for Wilwa is a bit incriminating, but the other option, Menel, was also, as far as the wolves knew, an innocent. She also spoke against the risky double-lynching plan.

Plan? What does that remind me of? Ah yes, remember the stalwart Undertaker and his plans, supposedly to provoke discussion, that sank one by one! Note that he's leaning towards Lalaith. Oh yes, I'm onto my old quarry again...

[tar-ancalime]

I don't particularly suspect tar-a, because she incriminated Kitanna, and because she seems often to reach the same kind of conclusions I do. (Sorry, tar-a, that doesn't really help you given how much suspicion I am under).

Not to worry--the truth will out, and there is only one wolf left, after all--I think it's too late for guilt-by-association.

Lalaith, you posted:

There's four of us left now and of those I suspect LMP (because he didn't go for Kitanna yesterday

...but I checked back and he did vote for Kitanna. He said he suspected you most, but Kitanna was definitely on his radar, and don't forget yesterDAY there were two wolves to worry about.

I'm sorry if I seem to be on your case toDAY, Lalaith--there have just been some inconsistencies in your posts lately, and each one I see makes me a little more worried about you. YesterDAY I couldn't make heads or tails of the Lalaith/Glirdan/lmp situation (as you can plainly see by reading my wishy-washy, mind-changing posts); but toDAY's posts (from everyone) are much more illuminating, I must say.

Nice to have our village jester back, by the way! Do you have any other thoughts on the events of the past few DAYS, Anguirel? I don't think I'm alone in saying that your voice has been sorely missed (especially since we know you're to be trusted!).

[Lalaith]

I still think Glirdan is innocent, and I think we should go after the one upon whom his suspicion has most consistently rested. Though he's not a known innocent, his behavior in this village, even for a jester, has been all too consistent, in my mind, for him to be a werewolf, and thus his suspicion needs to be given a good look.

If he's innocent, he knows no more than the rest of us. (Oh and he's not a jester, he's undead...) And the suspicions of the known innocents are presumably slightly more valuable to us right now...


Firefoot, I would have thought my open sympathy for Kitanna yesterday would be more likely to help clear me than incriminate me. Although I suppose I could be a wolf doing a bold double-bluff. And I reminded you about LMP because there are four of us who are uncleared and I thought you'd forgotten, because you didn't mention him at all...although you are a careful and thorough villager so I should have realised you omitted him deliberately.

No apologies needed from anyone, for being on anyone else's case. There are four of us who could be wolves and we should all be thoroughly examined and scrutinised.
Sorry, yet another hasty post, I'll be back in another three-four hours, when I'll have more time.

[Lalaith]

Oh and nice to have you back with us, Sir Jester. You'd been worrying me. Can I have those feathers back please, my geese are getting cold...

[tar-ancalime]

I have to vote now--

++Lalaith

[Firefoot]

Just a few comments; I will be voting within the hour.

If the hunter is Glirdan, Lalaith, or tar, (LMP has already stated he is not), I would say that it would be beneficial to the village for s/he to come out. Then we would be down to two (or three, if you want to count LMP). If we're wrong today we lynch the other tomorrow.If I'm suspicious, why follow me and vote for Kitanna? If I'm a wolf, wouldn't I lead you down the garden path, so to speak? Well, at the point I voted it was a moot point - Kitanna already had the majority.

tar is seeming very slippery to me right now, but I am leaning towards Lalaith for a vote today. If Lalaith should be innocent, I want to lynch tar tomorrow.

[Eonwe]

heres a thought:

im pretty sure we can win now, without even looking at suspicion. just by lynching those not porven innocent.

Ang
Eonwe
Firefoot
Hunter

these are all known innocent

that leaves three people of unkonwn alliagence

we kill one today. (4,2)
wolf kills one at night (3,2)
we kill one tomarrow (3,1)
wolf kills one tomarrow night (2,1)
we kill whoever is left in the morning (2,0)

unless wilwa screwed something up (which is highly doubtable) we are set to win. if the hunter shows up.

im still betting on tar-a being a wolf.

A revealed Hunter is an obvious target for our remaining wolf, and as soon as possible: the wolf would likely try to take the Hunter down while the pool of suspects is as large as possible to lessen the probability of being the Hunter's target. The longer the Hunter stays anonymous, though, the less-appealing of a target s/he makes because of the increased likelihood of the wolf's going down too.

not so. the more i look at it, the more i see that the hunter must come out:

if we lynch the wolf today, game over, none of this matters.

if we kill and inncoent, taht would leave us with (3, hunter vs. 2 unknown)

if the wolf kills the hunter, there are two possiblilities:

1. hunter kills an inncoent (3, 1 {who we will know must be the wolf})
2. hunter kills teh wolf (game over)

if teh wolf goes for anyother known innocent, it will play out as i expained earlier.

so the wolf cannot get at the hunter, because it will leave him by himself, or dead.

i don't see how we can lose, but it would be nice to get to the bottom by logic, not rote (sp?) lynching. and it think tar-a is due for the most suspicion.

[Lalaith]

I've been pondering what to do for the best - I had thought it would be quite cool to go to the pyre silently, and take someone with me. But on balance, I think Firefoot is right, time to unveil.

I am the Hunter.

Edit: cross post with Eonwe, who also agrees with what I've just done.

[Eonwe]

If I'm suspicious, why follow me and vote for Kitanna? If I'm a wolf, wouldn't I lead you down the garden path, so to speak?

the whole thing is a matter of timing (or so i believe). this is how i see it. after this wohle jazz about wayne's comment came out, you knew kitanna was shark's bait. i was going to vote kitanna whatever happened, cuz i thought she was a wolf. so waht would be the logical thing for teh fellow wolf to do? sell the torches, provide the pitchforks, and lead teh charge. milk the situation for wahtever there is left for you to gain.

edit: ooo, very nice lalaith. i do indeed agree. :D

[Lalaith]

For what it's worth, I would rather lynch LMP or Glirdan than tar-a. But then I completely failed to spot Kitanna's wolfishness, so what do I know? :rolleyes:

[Anguirel]

Ah-ha. I suspected as much, Lalaith, from your interest in my Orome hints further back. I'm surprised you had the forbearance to see that the Hunter facade I was putting up was a benevolent plan, not a lupine scheme.

That leaves:

Glirdan
littlemanpoet
tar-ancalime

Well-despite everything-I must admit I don't really think LMP is a wolf after all!

My recurrent accusation was intended to get him on the defensive and protect Lalaith, who was in real danger before her revelation. I also saw we were ahead by a long stroke, knew that no mistakes could lead to my lynching as I am now proven innocent, and thought it would be nice to avenge a few old scores. Ah well. There's an end to that.

tar-ancalime has played a skilful game. But skill-as we've learnt, for example, in Firefoot's case-is no more damning than wit. Or, indeed, ineptitude. It's merely a characteristic like any other, a variable, to be matched to wolves if displayed, but not if not.

In this case, I believe that tar-ancalime when all is said and done is in fact too skilful to be guilty. We've had the good fortune to be attacked by wolves who fell into a Seer's lure; who contained no overarching loud voice to bewilder their foes by day and marshal them at night, no first among equals; an unreliable spurter of contentless one-liners, a substantial but subdued talker, and the last wolf, overly defensive, petrified, amazed that they slipped past the Seer's dying dream, because we didn't go for the obvious answer.

One of my first accusations. I hope it will also be my last.

Q: What's large and hurry with vicious teeth and fangs and howls at the moon?

A: ++GLIRDAN.

And that, my friends, is the Reproof Valiant. The Solution Obvious. The Wolf Were.

[Lalaith]

Actually, Sir Jester, you've been a source of great trouble to me this game. By pretending to be the Hunter, you made me think you were the Seer.

Hence my doubts of poor wilwa.

[Lalaith]

Oh, and as I'm not alone in my suspicions, I'll vote:

++GLIRDAN

[littlemanpoet]

This is the first Day I've given any serious consideration to the Hunter, and only after (I think) Firefoot mentioned the role, and that idea of gifteds looking guilty. Lalaith, thanks for being the Hunter so I don't feel like quite such a fool. With you removed from the suspect list, and me rather confident that tar-ancalime is innocent on the strength of helping to flush out Kitanna yesterday, knowing I'm innocent, my vote goes to ol' bait and switch himself:

++ GLIRDAN

If he's a werewolf, as I think he is, here's a healthy "I told you so" from the first few Days. :p

[Eonwe]

++Glirdan

sounds good to me. we have all the time in teh world, after all...

[Lalaith]

We were rather lucky in that the Hunter was not one of the already established innocents.

[Firefoot]

So sorry I didn't vote earlier when I said I was going to... I was in a hurry and completely forgot. :rolleyes:

I'm glad to see that my (shaky) trust in Lalaith was not unfounded. I would have rather lynched tar today, but oh well. I hadn't cleared Glirdan either.

++Glirdan

[littlemanpoet]

I think Eonwe has a point in his post saying that the werewolf can't win unless we really screw up (which is possible). So, is there any chance that we could go the rest of these Days (if Glirdan is not the last werewolf) with shorter increments? Like say give the werewolf whatever time needed to pick a kill, start the next Day right away after that and go until everybody has voted, and call that the end of the Day, then back to the werewolf, etc.?

I'd hate to see this drag out to the bitter end a week from now, ya know?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Glirdan was the one to gather the most votes that day, and the villagers didn't bother to hide their content as they cracked their knuckles and surrounded him. But the villagers' cheerfulness dropped away soon, when they faced a knotty problem: how do you kill an undead, especially one with Michael Jackson's nose? Was it possible to kill an undead with physical pain? "And my goal in life is to give to the world what I was lucky to receive: the ecstasy of divine union through my music and my dance", Glirdan smiled blissfully. "But then again, I'm already dead", he muttered.

"Let's taunt him to death!"

This easy (and clean) way received instant approval and Glirdan was trussed up with a rope and placed in the middle of the Village Square. "Let us dream of tomorrow where we can truly love from the soul, and know love as the ultimate truth at the heart of all creation", Glirdan philosophized, but the villagers didn't listen. Horrible curses started echoing in the twilight.

"You... you blockhead!"

"Scoundrel!"

"Ni!"

Glirdan rolled his eyes (clearly in horrible agony).

"You dried neat's-tongue!"

"Thou unmuzzled milk-livered hugger-mugger!"

All of the sudden, Glirdan's body fell limp on the ground. The affronts had finally worked! Or maybe the credit should have gone to a throwing axe that had cracked the back of his head, when some frustrated villager had decided to speed things up. In any case, the dead body that laid in front of the lot was a body of an innocent for it had not transformed.



Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Firefoot - traveller who has a dog
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4
Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4
Wilwarin538(seer) - eyes plucked out and made into a scarecrow on Night 5
Glirdan(ord) - taunted to death on Day 5

Score:
Villagers: 6
Wolves: 1

It is now night 6. You know what to do. The Night ends in 24 hours at 9:00 pm. GMT.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

"And now the end is near and so I face the final curtain
my friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
I've lived a life that's full, I've travelled each and ev'ry highway
and more, much more than this
I did it my way"



As usual the villagers met on the square in order to update Shamville's population. The count had declined with two that morning. Firefoot and her dog were missing.

The villagers trod to the traveller's humble shanty which she had built where the forest began. The first thing to catch the group's eye was Firefoot's skinned mutt, whose pelt was hung up to a limb of a spruce. Taking a deep breath, the villagers yanked the hut's door open and stepped in.

Lo and behold! There they saw Firefoot sleeping firmly under her blanket. But once everybody was convinced that it was hardly probable that Firefoot's dog would have just jumped out of his skin by himself, the villagers agreed that everything wasn't quite right after all. Carefully they lifted Firefoot's cover but seeing in what condition her body was, they put the blanket back pretty quickly. In some other occasion, it might have been interesting to discover, how purple, bruised and twisted one human body can be, but considering that the person concerned was one of their friends, it was understandable that they didn't stay examining her corpse very long.



Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Lalaith - goosegirl
littlemanpoet - village undertaker
tar-ancalime - charlatan

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4
Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4
Wilwarin538(seer) - eyes plucked out and made into a scarecrow on Night 5
Glirdan(ord) - taunted to death on Day 5
Firefoot(ord) - mutilated and deformed on Night 6

Score:
Villagers: 5
Wolves: 1

It is now Day 6. It will last 24 hours unless it is fine with everybody that we speed things up. Have a nice Day!

[littlemanpoet]

Most sorry at your passing, Firefoot. I think the werewolf has given up, or she might have attempted Lalaith. That which is below I wrote before hand:

**************************************************

The bulk of this post is being written during the Night phase.

We have three known innocents left "toDay". Who they are depends upon how things went down last Night:
tar went after either Lal or Firefoot. If Firefoot is dead, may she rest in peace knowing that the innocents have won. As Eonwe said, all you have to do is lynch either tar or me toDay; if this horror is not yet over, it means you will have lynched another innocent (me), and tar will take out another innocent tomorrow; just for kicks, let's say Anguirel. That leaves Lal & Eonwe as our innocents, and tar as our werewolf, and the two known innocents finally lynch the werewolf, terror eliminated. Take your pick, because it really doesn't matter.

The other possibility is that tar took a huge risk and banked on Lal being more suspicious of me than of her, and killed Lal last Night. If that's the case, we have three known innocents left, and the results are the same as in the above scenario, innocents have won, terror eliminated.

I'll tell you right now the same thing that tar is probably saying:

I'm an ordinary innocent.

Early on I offered a plan that got the discussion going. I made moves that would be too bold for a werewolf to make. I said things and did things that have all the earmarks of an innocent who doesn't have to watch his words really carefully because he has nothing to hide. On Day two, I pointed out tar's suspiciousness for all to see, and Firefoot caught on. So did Wilwa. But tar is canny enough and I'm trusting (or something) enough that she was able to pull the wool back over my eyes. 20/20 hindsight, I wish Wilwa had dreamed of her instead of Eonwe. Ah well.

I don't envy you guys your task of choosing between us toDay. You are quite right in thinking that either of us would probably play a very cunning werewolf. Just one problem. I'm a mercurial individual, as Anguirel & Lal can no doubt attest from these last few Days. I'm not the kind who can consistently pull off a lie that long, especially posting a lot. The best I can do, which I would have done (and did once in another 'life'), was tell the truth as much as I could, and say as little by way of fib as possible. That's how I would have been a werewolf. That's not what you saw from me over these last few Days. You saw someone who came out and said what was on his mind often, and was often wrong, even a little inconsistent at times, but always doing his best to aid the cause.

tar made an audacious move by initiating the move against her fellow werewolf Kitanna, by which she excused herself in my eyes. Very cunning. I can imagine that Kitanna informed her during the previous Night that her schedule was looking pretty busy and that she was sorry that she needed to really take a back seat and even vote against herself. tar decided to use that to her advantage and make herself look innocent. Just one problem: she voted to lynch the Hunter yesterDay. It may be that she did that before Lal revealed, though; if Lal had not, I would have voted for her lynching yesterDay too. Ah well. So you guys are still in a pickle. Nevertheless, notice that, as I pointed out in my "notes on tar" post, that tar tried to play Lal, Glirdan, and me off against each other, setting up that I would have to be guilty if Glirdan was innocent; however, her scheme backfired when I decided from all Glirdan's posts up until that Day that he had been too consistently against Lal to be a werewolf .... until he became suspicious in terms of the bait and switch. Circles and circles! Argh! Anyway, all this mental turmoil still comes down to the village wins toDay or toMorrow - - take your pick.

So if you want this village to survive with more than just two innocent villagers left, put your vote to

++ tar-ancalime

toDay, like I just did.

I shall come out from my undertaking duties periodically toDay to answer any questions you have to put to me. Otherwise, you can expect silence from me. May you do the right thing.

[Anguirel]

A quick Quip Modest ere I sleep-

I think the undertaker is probably quite right, and I am likely quite wrong, considering my past record. However, for the sake of tradition, I intend to do my utmost to get him hanged.

It's a political statement, apart from anything else. A final, desperate outburst of levity. And then there's the fact that the village is guaranteed victory in any case, and it would be so much nicer if we could be saved by the guidance of someone other than the astute but frightfully self-important littlemanpoet...

[littlemanpoet]

... it would be so much nicer if we could be saved by the guidance of someone other than the astute but frightfully self-important littlemanpoet... Gobtwiddle, of course, my dear jester.

[Lalaith]

LMP, why would the wolf go for me? His/her only chance is to find the cursed villager, and I can't be both hunter and cursed....anyway, I'm off to bed too, I'll talk more in the morning...

[tar-ancalime]

Just one problem: she voted to lynch the Hunter yesterDay. It may be that she did that before Lal revealed, though; if Lal had not, I would have voted for her lynching yesterDay too.

I don't understand why everyone takes Lalaith at her word that she's the Hunter.

She revealed herself yesterDAY with two votes already against her (no chance of cross-posting; plenty of time between those posts)--to me it looked like a desperate ploy to save herself from being lynched by "proving" herself innocent.

lmp, I'm curious as to why you in particular believe her--you said yourself (quoted above) that you were ready to vote for her, and that it was her admission that she's the Hunter that saved her from your keystrokes.

[littlemanpoet]

I don't understand why everyone takes Lalaith at her word that she's the Hunter.Interesting question. If the werewolf "revealed" as the Hunter, would the real Hunter stay quiet? If so, what's the result? The Hunter would knowingly let the village lynch the wrong person. Why would the Hunter choose to do that? The only reason I can think of is that the Hunter figures on picking the supposed werewolf during the Night, on the 1 in 5 chance that the werewolf will pick the real Hunter. The odds are too great, because if the werewolf kills somone else, the villagers still don't realize that the professed Hunter is the real werewolf, and the real Hunter is allowing the innocent villagers to lose. I don't think anybody playing this game is that stupid. If I'm wrong, then the supposed real Hunter deserves to lose. So Lalaith must be the Hunter, because nobody contested her claim.

LMP, why would the wolf go for me? His/her only chance is to find the cursed villager, and I can't be both hunter and cursed. I forgot about the cursed. Which the werewolf wouldn't do, by the way. Thanks for the chance at additional proof that we need to lynch tar.

[Lalaith]

We could end this all today by organising a double lynching. But that seems rather unsporting. Sorry I can't post again until around 3pm GMT at the earliest, I'll leave it up to the rest of you decide.

[Anguirel]

Oh dear, tar-ancalime m'dear...I've admired your style, and I'm frantically searching for any excuse to get LMP lynched, but now you have to ruin everything by doubting Lalaith. Not a good investment; belief in Lalaith is general, and you're in danger of losing a lot of support...

Now, the case I want to put forward. LMP has gabbled across the village tirelessly. The first corpse was a quiet possible Seer, Kuruharan, who mildly suspected him. He inspired so much confidence in our real Seer that she didn't think to dream of him once. (Incidentally, I don't regret our last choice of Eonwe. Having him as an unknown factor could have been most disturbing.)

Of the two kwown wolves, Wayne and Kitanna, he was against the lynching of Wayne on Day One, and joined the Kitanna bandwagon as it gathered speed. Naturally he hadn't defended Wayne when the Seer's accusation was stacked against him. He also did demand that the real Seer come forward if it wasn't Wilwa-a possible wolvish attempt to cover all bases, which Lalaith exposed as a bad idea.

He's been given to suspecting one way and voting another. He had his defence well-prepared when Day dawned, and I wouldn't surprised if the Cursed was omitted from it on purpose. Certainly, I fell for the lure and forgot about him till I was reminded.

He has hurled dogmatic plans into the arena; the first one got support and so implicated a few innocents. Throughout the game his relationship with tar-ancalime has been peculiar; they swap ideas and declare each other's confidence in each other, yet quite often vote for each other.

[Lalaith]

*rushes back in, having forgotten to mention two important points*

Oh, and LMP, the obvious reason why the wolf didn't kill me is that the wolf is you, and you knew I would kill you.
Who they are depends upon how things went down last Night:
tar went after either Lal or Firefoot.

How on earth did you know that the wolf would hunt Firefoot, not Eonwe or Anguirel? All the innocents were potential prey.
This is very strange. Explain yourself.

[Anguirel]

I think I can answer that. tar-wolf wouldn't go after me because I'm trying to get LMP hanged, and Eonwe is pretty quiet. Or that's what LMP will say...

[tar-ancalime]

How on earth did you know that the wolf would hunt Firefoot, not Eonwe or Anguirel? All the innocents were potential prey.

It's simple. (Setting aside the now self-evident fact that he's the wolf, of course, which makes it even simpler.)

Firefoot had been wishing me dead for days! Wolf-ancalime, if such a horrific beast existed, would be slavering to get rid of her. Killing Firefoot was a sloppy attempt at framing me.

Also, lmp could have written that post with "(plug in innocent's name here)" for "Firefoot." It's quite possible he thought of Lalaith as a potential target; still, all he had to do was plug in the appropriate names to a post that has the same meaning no matter whether it reads "Firefoot," "Anguirel," "Eonwe," or "The Ghost of Gaurhoth Past."

How "convenient" for him that the name he got to use was the person who's been suspicious of me from the beginning!

[tar-ancalime]

++littlemanpoet

[littlemanpoet]

How on earth did you know that the wolf would hunt Firefoot, not Eonwe or Anguirel? All the innocents were potential prey.
This is very strange. Explain yourself.
Firefoot is the best at keen analysis. Biggest threat to the werewolf. Plain and simple.

[littlemanpoet]

Oh dear, tar-ancalime m'dear...I've admired your style, and I'm frantically searching for any excuse to get LMP lynched.Really, Anguirel. If you want me lynched on style, that's pretty poor. Unsporting, even. Fine, lynch me. You'll still win the game, because you can get tar next time. Fine. I'm beginning to hope that these ungracious villagers actually do get wiped, because of the trumped up nonsense you're foisting up just to get the one you don't like. Your choice. Why do I bother?

[littlemanpoet]

It's simple. (Setting aside the now self-evident fact that he's the wolf, of course, which makes it even simpler.)

Firefoot had been wishing me dead for days! Wolf-ancalime, if such a horrific beast existed, would be slavering to get rid of her. Killing Firefoot was a sloppy attempt at framing me.

Also, lmp could have written that post with "(plug in innocent's name here)" for "Firefoot." It's quite possible he thought of Lalaith as a potential target; still, all he had to do was plug in the appropriate names to a post that has the same meaning no matter whether it reads "Firefoot," "Anguirel," "Eonwe," or "The Ghost of Gaurhoth Past."

How "convenient" for him that the name he got to use was the person who's been suspicious of me from the beginning!

Having fun wolfing it to the bitter end, I see, gaur-ancalime

[Anguirel]

It's just like you said at the beginning, old chap. "Different approaches."

My approach happens to be that it'll be the biggest jest I've pulled off in my career of foolery if you swing...

Besides, in the fine Hop-Frog/Dagonet/Fool/Touchstone/Trinculo tradition, we Fools constantly flirt with self-destruction. If I'm right, I'm a hero. If I'm wrong...I've fulfilled my calling! What care I for consequences? I am a meddler in mirth!

++littlemanpoet

[Eonwe]

sorry i havn't been on at all toDay. i this have a death wish for tar-a, though i guess it doens't matter. lmp does worry me a bit, though. sorry this is short, but i gotta run.

[littlemanpoet]

It's just like you said at the beginning, old chap. "Different approaches."

My approach happens to be that it'll be the biggest jest I've pulled off in my career of foolery if you swing...

Besides, in the fine Hop-Frog/Dagonet/Fool/Touchstone/Trinculo tradition, we Fools constantly flirt with self-destruction. If I'm right, I'm a hero. If I'm wrong...I've fulfilled my calling! What care I for consequences? I am a meddler in mirth!
The jester's cavalier attitude regarding my hoped-for death is quite unsettling. It's a good thing we know he's a known innocent. Well, innocent of being a werewolf, perhaps, but a more blackhearted rogue I have never met, trying to make of Lal & Eonwe accomplices in his murderous intent.

Tar, I suspect that you are an unwilling victim of the lycanthropic turn you have endured, and so I beg of you, should I "swing", that you would see justice done, and end the beating of the murderous heart of the jester this coming Night.

Everyone, as you can see, I have dug three graves. They each will be required, unless you vote the right person toDay.

[Lalaith]

Ok, if I now vote for tar-a and Eonwe doesn't vote at all, we have a double lynching and all is over.
If we only kill one and we get it wrong today, we still win tomorrow as long as the wolf doesn't get the cursed villager. In which case we lose.

What shall we do, innocents?

[Anguirel]

I say we let the hunt run to a proper conclusion and avoid a double-lynching-too tedious for words. The Cursed Villager almost certainly lies dead already, after all; it's a risk that it would be most chicken-hearted to avoid...

[Eonwe]

I say we let the hunt run to a proper conclusion and avoid a double-lynching-too tedious for words. The Cursed Villager almost certainly lies dead already, after all; it's a risk that it would be most chicken-hearted to avoid...

i dont' think so. lets not talk in statistics (ie, one in fifteen is a cursed, so we have whatever chance that he is still alive). that is crap, because there is no guarentee. and supposeing that the cursed villagers is among us (horros, it could be me!), we kill lmp, the wolf takes down the cursed, and we lose. i certainly don't want the wolf to pull that out of her hat. that would be to embarrasing, after teh immense lead we have today. a vote double lynch.

assuming lalaith isn't posting a vote for tar-a right now...

++tar-a

its better to have it over and done with, and not run the risk. call me craven, but why risk our lusterous victory on a fool's honor? not to mention i've wanted tar-a dead since two Evenings ago....

ps.

What shall we do, innocents?

whatever you want, my dear. ;)

[Anguirel]

What a courageous, fearless, risk-taking, dynamic soldier.

Pah! You root the thrill out of the chase! We should allow the wolf its tiny chance of victory, I say, rather than crush excitement in relentless authoritarianism.

As jester and impromptu Master of Ceremonies, I say, let the dance go on! The curtain is not ready to fall. littlewolfpoet accused me of being unsporting earlier, but I say that a double-lynching now would be the very manifestation of all work and no play boredom.

I leave the matter in Miss Goosey's able hands.

[Lalaith]

Hmmm....I'm in no mood to bow to your whims, Sir Jester, after you led me such a merry dance with your little masquerade. (Did you pick up on my hints btw, all the stuff about wearing my goosefeathers....)
But, still....I do feel that we would be unsporting and what is more, I think our great moddess goddess (who has had to put up with much, including confused rambling PMs from me) would prefer us to go for the single lynch.

I'll be back soon.

[Anguirel]

I could tell you were saying something with the goosefeathers, but I couldn't for the life of me tell what. Was it more vague evidence of your Huntership, in some Indianesque fashion, or a message to me as a supposed Seer?

I think it would demonstrate that a village can defend itself without double-lynchings (we've had not one so far, thank Eru) were we to avoid one, and also preserve one of the exciting unpredictable elements left, namely the Cursed. If we lynch everyone in a paranoiac attempt to stop the Cursed having any chance of being killed, what's the point of having one? No, let that pageant roll into place if the fates will it.

[Lalaith]

I was trying to imply, and hoping that you would thus infer, that you were wearing my garb, my dear jester.

Anyway, it looks like I've been asked to make a decision on behalf of everyone. Something I hate doing. Plus I don't have time to go back and inspect everything thoroughly.
What to do?
Tar-a was suspected by wilwa and now by Eonwe.
LMP is suspected by Anguirel (probably out of sheer devilry) and by me, who can't spot a wolf when it comes and slavers in her lap (vis a vis Kitanna)
oh, lord, Bleak House is starting, I must go.
++LMP


Good luck, village.

[littlemanpoet]

I shall be hanged, or what have you.

Dupes! Fools! Miscreants! Idiots, even! Do you honestly believe that I would allow myself to have outright enemies amongst the innocents, if I was the werewolf? Only fools could think me such a fool. No, I would ingratiate myself to all of you innocents, as tar has so cunningly done. Why, we have two jesters, not one!

The three graves shall be filled. Eonwe, my blood is not on your hands. But because of the foolishness of those who have voted to kill the innocent and save the werewolf, I do hope that one of you is Cursed. If so, you all shall pay for your foolhardiness. Well played, tar. You've fooled them all for one last Day and Night.

Oh, and to borrow, with attributions (coughB88cough) a most terse and well-put phrase, you're all knuckleheads (well, except for the sensible Eonwe).

[Anguirel]

LMP is suspected by Anguirel (probably out of sheer devilry).

Quite right, dear Miss Goosey. If LMP is a wolf I'll be pleased but extremely surprised.

Now, my dear Lady Tar-Ancalime, pay no attention to LMP's pleading that you rip me apart tonight. I've killed almost as many innocents as you have, I believe; Menel, Glirdan, and now probably the Renowned Undertaker. Really no point in Cursing me if I turn out to be that way inclined; I'm doing fine as I am...and I have a final little jest to arrange tomorrow if all goes well...

EDIT: Cross-posted with the Moddess Goddess. Shall I delete?

[littlemanpoet]

I could have sworn there was no Cobbler in this game! :eek:

Anguirel?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

No need to delete, It was just a heads-up. :)

[Anguirel]

Then I'll clarify. I'm a jester, not a cobbler, but my status as a proven innocent has allowed me to have a little fun and wreak a little havoc...some intentional, some not...and I'm saving up a twist. I only hope I get the chance to employ it...

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

The villagers had had enough. They wanted to put an end to the mad massacre, and so they decided to lynch the village undertaker. "You've already taken too many of us six feet under", the ever-reducing lot growled as they approached littlemanpoet. The remaining residents had brought most imaginative gadgets with them in order to finish things as efficiently as possible.

Anguirel squeezed his slingshot and an arsenal of ammunition consisting mostly of walnuts and apples, Eonwe fingered a tuberous billy club, Lalaith bore a cutlass and tar-ancalime held a thingamabob that she called a fool-proof Werecreature eliminator. In one rank the four walked towards littlemanpoet who stood on the other side of the village square glaring at the villagers half smugly, knowing that they would have to admit their mistake, and half peevishly, knowing that he himself would not be able to see that moment.

"You killed our friends: prepare to die", the group bawled.

"Now listen, you idiots, do you really want to fill the three graves I dug today? This is insane, you are a useless bunch of twits!" littlemanpoet hissed. But of course, the villagers didn't tolerate that kind of speech from a death-sentenced, and so they attacked him without hesitating to use their gizmos. The air was thick with nuts and vegetable food, and after Anguirel run out of ammunition, Eonwe and tar-ancalime rushed to contribute the lynching. Finally Lalaith sprang forth and cut littlemanpoet's throat with her sword. Hearts pounding and clothes covered with blood the villagers stepped back to admire the fruit of their collaboration. They had managed to kill the undertaker pretty efficiently, but the down side was that it seemed that he wasn't a werewolf after all. It was proved that the Werecreature eliminator can eliminate normal human beings too, though.



Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Lalaith - goosegirl
tar-ancalime - charlatan

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4
Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4
Wilwarin538(seer) - eyes plucked out and made into a scarecrow on Night 5
Glirdan(ord) - taunted to death on Day 5
Firefoot(ord) - mutilated and deformed on Night 6
littlemanpoet(ord) - maimed with wondrous gadgets on Day 6

Score:
Villagers: 3
Wolves: 1

It is now Night 7. As I said earlier, I'll be without internet access this Saturday. I suggest that we don't use 24-hour-long phases anymore (only two people said that they approved the suggestion and now the other one is dead) and Day 7 will begin probably at 3:00 pm. GMT tomorrow. Is it fine? Post in the admin thread if you have any complains about that, please. Good Night!

[Gurthang]

"Cursed, since your birth dear, and your worst fears have all come true"

During the night, a heart chilling howl split the silence. Every villager sat upright in their beds. To each the howl had sounded almost outside their window. But the silence reigned again, although sleep did not.

When they arose in the morning, each made their way to the center of town, just as they had grown accustomed to do. The Villagers were already used to encountering the loss of a new Villager every morning, and therefore couldn't believe their eyes when they gathered to the village square. Everyone was there and very much alive. What did this mean? Had the wolf become a pacifist in one night? Had someone somehow escaped from the wolves never-missing grasp? They stood for a while in silence, trying to sort out their thoughts. But suddenly the villagers noticed a big 'C' carved on the wall of the nearest house.

They walked over to inspect the carving, which appeared to have been made by claws. Yet the letter had been hewn out of solid stone. Quivering, the villagers turned and walked away, knowing that the symbol had been left by the Werewolf.

"A 'C'? What could that mean?", one thought out loud.

"Clowns, perhaps?", piped in the very cheery jester.

"No, it can't be that. We're talking wolves here."

"Claws!"

"No, it has to Mean something."

"Then it must mean... Cursed..."

All the villagers gasped. But two of those gasps were only a ploy. Terrified they looked at each other. They knew that the nightly howl had sounded much to joyful to be normal. Suddenly they knew why the wolvish noise had sounded so full of glee. One of their own had been converted into a werewolf.


Living:
Anguirel - jester
Eonwe - militiaman
Lalaith - goosegirl
tar-ancalime - charlatan

Dead:
dancing spawn of ungoliant(mod) - mangled, tangled and strangled in fishing nets on Night 1
Bergil(ord) - hanged to death with profitable consequences on Day 1
Kuruharan(ord) - half devoured and prepared to be turned into haggis on Night 2
Meneltarmacil(ord) - sat on, roasted, minced and boiled by three passing by trolls on Day 2
Kath(ord) - chopped up and organized alphabetically on Night 3
WaynetheGoblin(wolf) - burned to death on Day 3
Celuien(ranger) - mauled with musical instruments on Night 4
Kitanna(wolf) - stoned, battered and decapitated on Day 4
Wilwarin538(seer) - eyes plucked out and made into a scarecrow on Night 5
Glirdan(ord) - taunted to death on Day 5
Firefoot(ord) - mutilated and deformed on Night 6
littlemanpoet(ord) - maimed with wondrous gadgets on Day 6

Score:
Villagers: 2
Wolves: 2

It is now Day 7. Day will end in 24 hours, or when everyone has voted. Normally, this villager to wolf ratio would mean that the wolves have won. But the outcome is not yet that certain.

[Anguirel]

Well...after acting so smarmy yesterday...I have to admit I haven't the vaguest idea what's going on. Or why we're not all dead.

My evil stratagem has now completely caved in, so I'll tell you what I had in mind.

In the event of Eonwe being slain and the Cursed One not being found, I was planning to vote for Lalaith, thus forcing her to vote for herself if she wanted the village to win. She would then hunt tar-ancalime, and I, the jester, would alone survive! I would be lord of the village! I would dance on the corpses!

JESTER WINS!

But it was not to be. Now, Lalaith, once again everything lies in your hands. You are the only one of us who cannot be Cursed, as you are clearly the Hunter. I want you to accept my apologies for my framing of Glirdan and LMP-Menel wasn't intentional-and to believe that I've turned over a new leaf. I've repented. Our revels now are ended. I only manipulated people and sent them to their doom when it seemed we were winning by too wide a margin. I wanted there to be a factor of thrill. But now the wolves might actually win-should have won already-

Please believe that I'm on your side. I acted like a Cobbler or a Cursed Villager yesterday and the day before, true; but I would not have known to do so were I the Cursed One. I was playing mind-games, but now the game has swept ahead of me.

Now-I say we lynch the smoother, more dangerous wolf first.

++TAR-ANCALIME

[Lalaith]

Sigh. This game has not covered me in glory: giving the wolf a sporting chance was a foolish, quixotic action.

I don't believe a word you say Ang and I'm very much inclined to Hunt you whether you are a wolf or not.
But I'm pretty sure that voting to kill the known wolf, tar-ancalime now is the only option open, I'll worry about the other wolf, and you, later.

++tar-ancalime

[tar-ancalime]

My goodness, aren't we sure of ourselves today?

Because I have limited computer access this weekend, this is likely to be my only post of the DAY.

I decline to vote.

[Anguirel]

Sigh. This game has not covered me in glory: giving the wolf a sporting chance was a foolish, quixotic action.

It was also the correct action. I do not repudiate it even now. There is more to this game than phantom-style competition. There should be honour even among wolves and fools.

I don't believe a word you say Ang and I'm very much inclined to Hunt you whether you are a wolf or not.


You can doubt my information if you like, but please don't dismiss it. Considering it is vital in order to make some sense of this bedlam we're in.

I have a sudden fear-if we lynch tar-ancalime today, her acolyte Eonwe will kill one of us, well, me, tonight...then it'll be one-on-one. Another rightful wolf victory. How long can we expect this crazy deadlock clemency to last?

Still, we can't now orchestrate a double lynching. Too late to be spoilsports-the numbers are against us...I suppose we'd better just kill what wolves we can.

[Lalaith]

I am not sure why we (myself and the other innocent) have been kept alive, except perhaps to heap further humiliations on us, as I cannot see how we can win now - the scenario you just sketched out, Anguirel, seems inescapable.

How you can talk about honour, though, without blushing, I do not know. I too was a fool, but I was an honest fool, I thought LMP was a wolf, or rather, I thought tar-a was NOT a wolf, which amounts to the same thing.

[Anguirel]

At least I've learnt a lesson. If you're a Villager, there's no point in carrying out Machiavellian schemes against the world. LMP has had his vengeance from beyond the grave. Ah well.

Of course, I suppose Eonwe could repay our generosity to the wolves by attacking you, Lalaith, instead of me, but then you'd probably hunt me rather than him anyway. Oh dear.

Barring more Mod miracles, we're doomed, but at least the original triumvirate will lie dead.

[Lalaith]

For my part, I am most grieved and shamed by the memory of the dead innocents who fought so wisely and bravely and will now lie unavenged. My apologies to them all for flinging away victory for the sake of 'sportsmanship'.

And whether you are wolf or innocent, Anguirel, I am glad that your hideous Hieronymus Bosch-like vision of a crowing jester on the pile of corpses did not become a reality. Better wolves victorious than that, I say.

[Anguirel]

And whether you are wolf or innocent, Anguirel, I am glad that your hideous Hieronymus Bosch-like vision of a crowing jester on the pile of corpses did not become a reality.

Actually I was thinking Edgar Allan Poe. Hopfrog being my predominant influence...

[Eonwe]

giving the wolf a sporting chance was a foolish, quixotic action

hate to say i told you so.... :rolleyes:

i just got home from work, so i will have to go over the situation with my customary senario gleaning...

[Lalaith]

I know, I know. And if you're the wolf, Eonwe, feel free to slay me. I deserve it.

[Eonwe]

right-o.

i'll go with

++lalaith

horros, it could be me!

hee-hee!

tar, if you get back on, you should vote lalaith as well, so i have ang all to myself tonight! oh yesssss! :smokin:

[tar-ancalime]

All right, have at it:

++ Lalaith

I must confess that I'm more than a little chastened by all this talk of "sportsmanship" and "a fighting chance." Was I THAT bad at this game, that I needed the charity of my opponents? If so, I apologize.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

A confusing and bitter day was ending. There were now two wolves against two villagers, but the lycans hadn't moved even a claw in order to claim their victory. After a voting, Lalaith and tar-ancalime had been chosen for the day's lynchees.

"Which one goes first?" the ever-reducing lot inquired.

"This is insane", Lalaith protested, "Wolves should not have a franchise."

"Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? Did you see her repressing me? You saw her, didn't you?" tar-ancalime gloated.

"I have a suggestion", Eonwe smiled. "Let's not lynch Lalaith and tar. Let's kill Lalaith and Ang."

"Sounds good", tar-ancalime nodded. "It was fun to watch you two struggling, though."

"Yes, we thought it would be a nice jesture to let you think you could still survive", Eonwe added.

"A jester never dies! No living man can kill me!" Anguirel bragged but not very convincingly.

"But no living man am I! You look upon a wolf!" Eonwe and tar-ancalime looked at each other and laughed hysterically. Their bodies trembled with laughter that changed into spine-chilling howling. Tar-ancalime bared her teeth which grew sharp and long and thick grey fur appeared to cover Eonwe's skin. Eonwe leaped on Anguirel and plunged his teeth into the jester's neck. Another horrendous wolf stood up and tensed up her muscles preparing to attack.

Lalaith had only a short dagger against the vigorous wolf and although she fought bravely, the wolf was quicker and tar-ancalime closed her jaw around Lalaith's wrist and tore it off with a sickening crunch.

"Now give up, worthy adversary", tar-ancalime panted.

"'Tis but a scratch", Lalaith belittled.

Grimacing furiously tar-ancalime brought Lalaith to the ground and the wolves rent her heart out. After a little feast the lycans walked away satisfied and extremely pleased with themselves.

A somewhat nearsighted fox passing through Shamville on business of his own stopped several minutes and sniffed. "Villagers!" he thought. "Well, what next? I have heard of strange doings in this land, but I have seldom heard of a villager sleeping out of doors in the middle of a square. Two of them! There's something mighty queer behind this." He was quite right, but he never found out any more about it.



WOLVES WIN!

[The Saucepan Man]

What a wonderful study in how to throw away a dead cert victory ... :D

Well done, tar-ancalime. You managed to convince the Villagers of your innocence just long enough to snatch a most unlikely victory. Although you were aided and abetted unwillingly by the most foolish of fools ( :p ), that does not detract from the sheer length of time that you managed to survive under the most intense examination.

Congrats to the Wolves and well done, spawn, for an excellently modded and most enjoyable to watch game.

And I can sense another lmp rant materialising on the horizon ... :eek:

[Kath]

Perhaps we should change the name of the role of Cobbler to Jester :rolleyes:

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Thank you, all my lovely players! I had so much fun while modding this game (though I haven't sleep properly for a fortnight). Here's a little statistics of Nightly activities.

Night 1
Seer -> WaynetheGoblin

Night 2
Seer -> Anguirel
Ranger -> Anguirel
Hunter -> Glirdan
Wolves -> Kuruharan

Night 3
Seer -> Firefoot
Ranger -> littlemanpoet
Hunter -> Wilwarin
Wolves -> Kath

Night 4
Seer -> Eonwe
Ranger -> Wilwarin
Hunter -> Firefoot
Wolves -> Celuien

Night 5
Seer -> tar-ancalime
Hunter -> Glirdan
Wolves -> Wilwarin

Night 6
Hunter -> littlemanpoet
Wolf -> Firefoot

Night 7
Hunter -> tar-ancalime
Wolf -> Eonwe

[Celuien]

Ah, it was a most enjoyable game. Thanks to everyone and congrats to the wolves.

But, why, oh why, Ang, did you have to do that? :mad:

My picks were

Night 1: Ang
This was an almost random choice from the villagers I thought were most likely innocent. Almost, I say, because I knew that Ang was itching for me to be a wolf, so if he lead a charge against me on day 2, I wanted the satisfaction of rubbing in that I'd guarded him.
Night 2: lmp
This was a hard choice for me. For most of the night I was debating guarding lmp or Firefoot. I finally decided on lmp on the basis of the Seer debate, just in case the wolves chose to attack on the chance that he was a Seer in the open.
Night 3: wilwa
An obvious choice, though I wish I had been guarded by someone that night. :p

Just out of curiosity, did anyone happen to spot my anagrams?

[WaynetheGoblin]

I won my first time not even the seer could stop us i am the best also on night 1 I suggestead to kill wilwa im so happy.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I must say it has been a real joy following this game, nothing was missing, it had it all. The kind of game I really want to be in. *kicking my self for not signing up*

The wolfs had me completely fooled, great job !

Allthough the villagers did not win most of you played a good game.

[wilwarin538]

Wow, that was interesting. Congrats wolves! :rolleyes:

Well I had fun, it was a great game, nicely done Spawn! :D

[Kuruharan]

Congratulations to the werewolves.

It was certainly a...strange game on a number of levels.

[Lalaith]

I realise that it was churlish of me to have complained about the wolves getting the cursed villager....once I had decided to give the wolves a sporting chance, then I should really have accepted the outcome of that decision with more grace.

But I did feel bad for people like Firefoot and wilwa (and of course Eonwe :smokin: ) who had been going on about lynching tar-ancalime for ages... my belief in her innocence shows me up to be as goosish as my flock.

And as for Ang: well, I think you're going to be getting lynched first night in any game you play from now on, my dear. You're a blooming liability....

Thanks to everyone for a great if often bewildering game, and well done spawn, most excellent deaths, much appreciated my own.

[Firefoot]

LMP's innocent I said. I want to kill tar-a tomorrow. But no... :rolleyes:

;)

Great game everyone, especially to tar for holding on so long.

[Gurthang]

I feel I must apologize and explain. So first, to everyone, I apologize for my mistake, but especially to the wolves. I'm glad you guys still won, I'd feel even worse if you had ended up losing. Also apologies to dancing spawn, who was kind enough to let me have the back-up mod spot.

Here's what I was thinking. I know that by the original rules, wolves win if they have an equal or greater number than the villagers. This is because they could vote to at least a tie each day and then get ahead in the night, so when they reach that point, they are assured a victory.

But with the addition of the Hunter, that changes. With who we had left, I saw a way that the villagers coulds still win. I figured that Anguirel and Lalaith would both vote for tar, as they did. And I kind of thought that the wolves would also vote together. If both Eonwe and tar voted for Lalaith, as they did, then tar and Lalaith would be lynched. By the rules, the Hunter gets to kill if they are lynched. Her only two choices were Anguirel, which would have left Eonwe for the wolf victory, and Eonwe, leaving Anguirel for the villager win(or Jester Wins! ;) ).

So, from what I saw, the outcome was still up in the air. Normally, I wouldn't have just gone with what I thought, as it wasn't my game, but dancing spawn was already gone. So I had to make the call, and I guess I made the wrong one. So, again, I apologize.

On another note, that was a great game! Anguirel, I was beginning to wonder if you were hoping to be the Cursed and get transformed. You were acting very Cobblerish.

tar, that was some great wolvery. You had everyone convinced you were innocent.

Wayne, I'm really glad you got your win. :D

[Lalaith]

Btw - to explain some of my Hunter choices: on the nights I chose Wilwa and then Firefoot, I didn't actually think I would be killed and required to hunt. The only scenario whereby I would have been a potential wolf victim was if wilwa was lying, and/or firefoot her accomplice. That's the reason I picked them.
(Bear in mind that Anguirel's hunter masquerade led me to suspect he was the seer, and therefore my doubts of wilwa were much stronger than they should have been...)
Nonetheless I am seriously embarrassed that it wasn't until the last night that I actually named a real wolf to hunt... :rolleyes:

[Eonwe]

great game everyone! (though i would be seriously ticked if i had lost. ;) just kidding)

great job tar. you did great evading the susupcion that was mounted against you. and for killing me! :D

great game spawn. thanks for teh great mod job!

and great game wilwa. you provided...um, them...with a huge lead through savy seermanship. well done, i say!

great job to kitanna, sorry we lynched you now...

and last but not least, good job on finnally winning a werewolf game, wayne.

[littlemanpoet]

And I can sense another lmp rant materialising on the horizon ... Tee hee. No real need, anymore.

The final jest was not the jester's, but done to him; poetic justice of a most pleasurable sort, considering. ;)

Congrats to Wilwa on playing a stellar game; you revealed at what appears to have been the best time to give the villagers an excellent chance at winning; one werewolf and three known innocents; quite a handicap for the werewolves. Of course, how were we to know that one of the "innocents" would turn out to be more evil than the werewolves?

Excellent werewolfing, tar-ancalime; few have done it better. I'm feeling quite pleased to have spotted you on Day 2, but you should feel quite pleased to have all but quelled my suspicions same Day, if it had not been for Firefoot.

Lalaith, all is forgiven. You did your best to help the villagers.

Oh, and sorry, but after I was lynched, I was rooting for the werewolves, and positively crowed when the Eonwe, the Cursed villager, turned. Revenge from the grave! Oh, I'm not sure anybody ever bothered to actually fill those three graves I dug, by the way.....

What a game. Great fun, all around. Quite fascinating.

[Eonwe]

Oh, and sorry, but after I was lynched, I was rooting for the werewolves, and positively crowed when the Eonwe, the Cursed villager, turned. Revenge from the grave! Oh, I'm not sure anybody ever bothered to actually fill those three graves I dug, by the way.....

no, i ate them... :smokin:

I must confess that I'm more than a little chastened by all this talk of "sportsmanship" and "a fighting chance." Was I THAT bad at this game, that I needed the charity of my opponents? If so, I apologize.

not at all! the fact that it came down to you and you alone is testimony enough for how well you played. (not to mention that you swung what otherwise was an unloseable game in your (well, teh wolves' ;) ) favor.)

[Glirdan]

Good game everyone!! I swear, that was the funest game I've played and my records been broken!! I've finally been lynched, by myself!!! :D

Lmp, I'm sorry I suspected you forever but I thought you were the Wolf. That goes for you to Lalaith. Tar, good job making it under everyone's radar for so long. Wilwa, nice Seering. Sorry I suspected you. Spawn, awsome game. I loved and can't wait to play in another one for awhile. I might join the next game, depending on when it starts because of other reasons. Once again, great game!!!

[tar-ancalime]

Good heavens! I can't remember when I've had so much fun...with the computer on.

Fantastic game, everyone!

Wilwa, what a great job you did as Seer! (Also, good job waiting so long to dream of me...) Wow.

A few words of explanation from the wolvish perspective:

It's true that Wayne pegged Wilwa as the Seer on the very first Night. I don't know how he knew, and I sort of wish Kitanna and I had believed him!

We chose Kuruharan as our first kill because he was a smart player who had as yet said little, leaving no trail to us. Kath the next night was for the same reason.

The next night was tough--we didn't know if we should go for Wilwa and potentially lose out, or try to get someone else and give the Seer another dream. We chose Celuien because she was another like Kath and Kuru that wouldn't lead directly to us; also I had a suspicion she might be Gifted.

The next night--well, it was obvious what had to be done.

After that, being on my own as I was, I was necessarily thinking of the Cursed Villager. But I couldn't really strategize for that, of course, so I took out Firefoot, who hadn't stopped calling for my head since the second DAY.

Now, as to the other side of things: the lynchings.

We knew that one of us would be caught eventually; we supposed (rightly) that it would be Wayne. So he jsut went ahead and played his usual game, and eventually it went as we had thought. No real surprises there, I think.

But I HAD NO IDEA that you would follow me and vote for Kitanna! When that happened I was sure it was all over. I voted for her because I thought Lalaith was going to get lynched, and since I had to vote early I wanted to do something "safe" (as in, not get someone killed), while not being accused of bandwagoning.

Most of the credit for good strategy must go to my fellow wolf, Kitanna. From my point of view there was a great increase in the number of wolf-blunders after her untimely demise.

Eonwe, I went along and voted Lalaith on the last day as you asked, but Gurthang is right--if it had been allowed to happen that way, Lalaith could have hunted you, leaving all three of us dead and the Jester victorious.

Anyway, this was likely my last game (only my second game, alas!) because all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, I do have a job that demands my attention at least some of the time, and Mr. gaur-ancalime is getting tired of staring at the back of my head in the evenings. So I'm very glad that it was such a well-played game on all sides!

[Eonwe]

Eonwe, I went along and voted Lalaith on the last day as you asked, but Gurthang is right--if it had been allowed to happen that way, Lalaith could have hunted you, leaving all three of us dead and the Jester victorious.

ooo, i totally missed that about the hunter getting a kill if they're lynched. that would have been teh biggest irony of the entire game: everyone dying but ang! glad that didn't happen though. :p

when i found out i was the cursed, i sent a couple frantic pm's to gurthang and spawn asking about different senarios, but didn't get to look at teh answers until my morning (after teh day ended).

[littlemanpoet]

But I HAD NO IDEA that you would follow me and vote for Kitanna! When that happened I was sure it was all over. I voted for her because I thought Lalaith was going to get lynched, and since I had to vote early I wanted to do something "safe" (as in, not get someone killed), while not being accused of bandwagoning.But your logic was quite persuasive. Go and use Occam's Razor that well, and you'll have LMP following your vote. And anybody who thought that I might be onto something, well, there you have it.

ooo, i totally missed that about the hunter getting a kill if they're lynched. that would have been teh biggest irony of the entire game: everyone dying but ang! glad that didn't happen though. I actually thought up a scenario in which the Moderator wins. I explained it Firefoot, but I'm not sure I can reproduce it now.

Lalaith's the Hunter, therefore the only known innocent;
Tar's the known werewolf;
leaving Ang and Eonwe as the two in doubt.

Tar gets lynched (but there, I forgot that the cursed would vote with tar), and the remaining werewolf would take out Ang during the Night; then Lal the Hunter and the remaining werewolf are the only two left, and kill each other. Result: Moderator wins! Yay!

Oh well, that not being possible, I like how it ended.

Warning: gloat post coming soon. :p

[littlemanpoet]

Actually, I collected this set of quotes as possibilities for my next sig, but it works as a quick (ahemLMPcenteredahem) summary of WW13. Enjoy....

Yes, very good plan there Lmp. Except for one thing, you are now not so innocent in my eyes. - Glirdan

littlemanpoet is developing some strange habits. - Kuruharan

littlemanpoet - perhaps he's losing buissiness? needs to fill up that grave yard of his perhaps? - Wilwa

littlemanpoet - i don't trust him. He works in a grave. He might want to kill people to fill in those empty graves of his - Glirdan

I must note that littlemanpoet has been talking...a lot. This is not necessarily bad. In fact, it might be good. On the other hand, it might indicate he is unduly excited about...something. - Kuruharan

littlemanpoet - Waaay too many posts - Kath

The undertaker is moonstruck in more ways than one if he seeks answers in the logic of a fool. - Anguirel

While I have about half-a-dozen wild wolf-voting-for-wolf accusations on my tongue relating particularly to my old chum LMP and to tar-ancalime, I can't believe that the villagers would be stupid enough to lynch their only fool, in Mandos' name. - Anguirel

On my watch list is LMP, who worries me. Mind you, he has a history of worrying me. - Lalaith

"LMP sleeps on the same "bed" the corpse was laid out on" - I'll be dreaming of something far worse than new plans after that little "too-much-information" nugget. Ew. - Lalaith

Excuse me, Mr Undertaker, who died and made you King of Shamville? - Lalaith

I'll be back later with more analysis, and you can be sure that it will be just as cool, just as reasoned, and just as honest as before. - gaur-ancalime - WW13

I don't want to let lmp's obvious disdain for my approach to cloud my judgement. - tar ancalime

LMP, all this heavily dropped "lynch me and you'll regret it" nonsense implicates you still further. - Anguirel

If you are not a wolf, LMP, you will die tonight. You're a dead investment. A sunk equity. A safe vote. - Anguirel, Day Two of WW13 & so the gloating begins..... ;)

As for lmp himself, I am puzzled. He seems to have two faces: one accusatory, argumentative, and unyielding (as in the discussion of time zones yesterDAY); and the other genuinely puzzled, bemused, willing to change his mind, and trying to save our poor village. - tar-ancalime

and no corpses on my dais, Mr funny-business Undertaker - Lalaith

Lalaith has been characterized as a Jekyll/Hyde villager, but I think the appellation is more apt for our undertaker. - tar

But as tar-ancalime suggested, we need to destroy the principle viper first, so my primary target will remain LMP - Anguirel

And littlemanpoet-a fool's curse on ye if you've played me false. - Anguirel ..... (speak of the pot calling the kettle black!) :eek:

Back to the lmp conundrum...While too noisy to be the Seer, I think he's also too noisy to be a smart wolf. - Celuien

man, we so should have followed through with lmp's plan and lynched glirdan. - Eonwe

Ah yes, remember the stalwart Undertaker and his plans, supposedly to provoke discussion, that sank one by one! Note that he's leaning towards Lalaith. Oh yes, I'm onto my old quarry again... - Anguirel

I'm frantically searching for any excuse to get LMP lynched - Anguirel

I think the undertaker is probably quite right, and I am likely quite wrong, considering my past record. However, for the sake of tradition, I intend to do my utmost to get him hanged.... And then there's the fact that the village is guaranteed victory in any case, and it would be so much nicer if we could be saved by the guidance of someone other than the astute but frightfully self-important littlemanpoet... - Anguirel

Oh, and LMP, the obvious reason why the wolf didn't kill me is that the wolf is you, and you knew I would kill you. - Lalaith

and supposeing that the cursed villagers is among us (horrors, it could be me!), we kill lmp, the wolf takes down the cursed, and we lose. i certainly don't want the wolf to pull that out of her hat. that would be to embarrasing, after teh immense lead we have today. - Eonwe

For what it's worth, I would rather lynch LMP or Glirdan than tar-a. But then I completely failed to spot Kitanna's wolfishness, so what do I know? - Lalaith

LMP is suspected by Anguirel (probably out of sheer devilry) - Lalaith

Quite right, dear Miss Goosey. If LMP is a wolf I'll be pleased but extremely surprised. - Anguirel

Well-despite everything-I must admit I don't really think LMP is a wolf after all! - Anguirel

In one rank the four walked towards littlemanpoet who stood on the other side of the village square glaring at the villagers half smugly, knowing that they would have to admit their mistake, and half peevishly, knowing that he himself would not be able to see that moment. ... "Now listen, you idiots, do you really want to fill the three graves I dug today? This is insane, you are a useless bunch of twits!" littlemanpoet hissed. - Spawn's descrip

I, the jester, would alone survive! I would be lord of the village! I would dance on the corpses! JESTER WINS! But it was not to be. ... I've repented. - Anguirel

How you can talk about honour, though, without blushing, I do not know. I too was a fool, but I was an honest fool, I thought LMP was a wolf - Lalaith

At least I've learnt a lesson. If you're a Villager, there's no point in carrying out Machiavellian schemes against the world. LMP has had his vengeance from beyond the grave. Ah well. - Anguirel

[Glirdan]

The irony of my sig is that later that Day Lmp goes and votes for me and I get lynched. I still can't get over that. And now on to the question I've been dying to ask, why exactly did some of you vote for me that Day?

[littlemanpoet]

The irony of my sig is that later that Day Lmp goes and votes for me and I get lynched. I still can't get over that. And now on to the question I've been dying to ask, why exactly did some of you vote for me that Day? I had been on again off again in my suspicion of you. When you suddenly switched from suspecting Lalaith (most) to tar-ancalime, I got suspicious and saw that bait and switch bluff staring at me. Nevertheless, I was most suspicious of Lalaith after having done that bit of analysis of the four remaining suspects (discluding myself, of course). When she revealed as the Hunter, and no one countered her claim, you were next on my list. It should have been tar, but she fooled me; at least, that Day.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

You guys were about to give me a heart attack when you almost lynched Wilwa on Day 2. Otherwise it was great to read your theories and sometimes uncannily accurate reasoning. Very nicely played, my dear Shamvillers!

I feel I must apologize and explain.You need to do neither! I think it was just great how things turned out. Once again, thank you! :)

I actually thought up a scenario in which the Moderator wins.Now that would have been wonderful! At least in my opinion. ;)

[wilwarin538]

You guys were about to give me a heart attack when you almost lynched Wilwa on Day 2.

Ya, it scared me very much. :eek: If you had counted Wayne's vote, I would have been gone I believe. Then the wolves would have had an even better chance of winning. :rolleyes:

[Glirdan]

I had been on again off again in my suspicion of you. When you suddenly switched from suspecting Lalaith (most) to tar-ancalime, I got suspicious and saw that bait and switch bluff staring at me. Nevertheless, I was most suspicious of Lalaith after having done that bit of analysis of the four remaining suspects (discluding myself, of course). When she revealed as the Hunter, and no one countered her claim, you were next on my list. It should have been tar, but she fooled me; at least, that Day.

I see. Yes, when I look back on it, I didn't play it as I normally did. But hey, not a whole lot you can do about that. Good game guys. Now this is what I'd call my ideal WW game. :D

[Anguirel]

I, ah, don't have very much to say!

Ah well. I wanted to be unreliable for once, and look where it got me...

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Ya, it scared me very much. :eek: If you had counted Wayne's vote, I would have been gone I believe. Then the wolves would have had an even better chance of winning. :rolleyes:
No, I counted his vote, but Menel had five votes and you had four. Anyway, it was pretty close. :p

[Eonwe]

thats funnly cuz i flipped a coin and voted menel instead...

[wilwarin538]

Oh, I thought that Wayne's would have made a tie. But still, it was close.

thats funnly cuz i flipped a coin and voted menel instead...

You risked my life on a coin toss?!?!?!?! :eek:

;)

[Glirdan]

Wow... This was an awsome game everyone. I know I've said that a lot but really. I think this is the game I had the most fun in and I can't wait to play with you all again. Sadly, I'm going to have to stop playing for a little while. I need to catch up on my schoolwork. This musical has drained me of so much energy and was so time consuming that I need to take a break. So you won't be seeing me that much for a little while.

Lmp, loved playing in this game with you, especially since it's the first one I've played with you in. Sorry I suspected you for the longest time but I wasn't getting a good vibe from you.

Lalaith, sorry I suspected you so long to but again, you just weren't sitting right with me.

Wilwa, great first time at being Seer. Same goes for you when I suspected you.

Tar, great job making it so far. I knew I should have voted for you earlier on.

Wayne, godd first time at being Wolf. I can't believe we let you last that long.

Kitanna, the one person I suspected least turns out to have a furry little secret. To bad about having to pull out.

To all the rest, great game. It really was. :D

Spawn, can't wait to play in another one of your games. It was really fun. Thanks for the good time. :D ;)

[Gurthang]

Okay, I gotta ask this.

Wayne, did you really post something about Kitanna being a wolf? Or has Eonwe been lying this whole time? ;)

[WaynetheGoblin]

I havent seen this yet but I dont know what he was talking about I didnt post anything adout kittana.