Tol-in-Gaurhoth XV-The Villagers Strike Back!

[Anguirel]

On what had once been the grandeur and beauty of Finrod's watchtower at Tol Sirion, now all was spoiled and wracked, slaking the ever-present ravenous hunger of Sauron's monstrosities. When it became too much for them, they would surge out into the lands of the defenceless Edain, pick vulnerable villages, disguise among the countryfolk and devour them by night. Werewolfs; wolf-spawn with fair words in human form.

That's what the tales tend to tell. But this bard sings another strain;
Three heroes bold with Elvish arts
And wolvish hides o'er their hearts
Unto the Isle did wend their way
To harass Sauron in the day;
And as foul wolves did fawn and feign.

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Welcome to Werewolf XV!

Gameplay: The game consists of two different phases: Night Day and Night. Nights and Days begin at 2:00 pm. GMT, thus lasting 24 hours, each. (Except when lengthened or shortened by Modular Omnipotency.)


Day

During Day, the Heroes PM with each other and choose one Werewolf to kill.
Sauron chooses one Werewolf to cast his (her?) all-seeing eye upon.
Carcharoth chooses one Werewolf to kill if s/he dies during the Night.
Draugluin chooses one Werewolf to protect from the Heroes.

These Werewolves then PM their choices to me and my staunch ally Cailin.


Night

The Werewolves will wake up and (usually) discover one of their own dead. The Werewolves must publicly discuss their suspicions in order to find out, who the Heroes are. Eventually wolves start to cast votes for who they feel is an hero and must be lynched. Votes are irretractable and are cast by bolding a name with a ++ sign before it, all in CAPITALS and on a separate line. Like this:

++ANGUIREL

If you don't vote like this and I end up lynching a wrong wolf because I didn't see your vote...then the dungeons of the Tol await ye.

At the end of the Night the player with the most votes is lynched and their secret role is revealed.

Double lynching is allowed, but triple or more lynching will lead to two candidates being randomly killed.

Oh, and if poss we should call lynching "devouring". Double devouring. It sounds so good.


Winning

The Werewolves win if they kill all of the Heroes.
The Heroes win if they reduce the wolves to their own number.


Roles

Ordinary Werewolves- try to find out who the Heroes are and devour them by Day.

Heroes- choose one person to kill every Day by PMing one another and discussing their strategies. Heroes may not PM each other during the Night.

Sauron- chooses one person to gaze upon each Day. The role of this person is then revealed to them. Huan, the Cobbler, appears innocent.

Carcharoth- chooses every Day one Werewolf to die with them if they are killed by the Heroes. If the Carcharoth is devoured by Night, they can choose a new werewolf to die with them, who is then killed automatically.

Draugluin- chooses one fellow werewolf to protect every Day. If that player is the victim, they survive and there is no death that Day. Draugluin may not protect the same person twice in a row.

Huan-secretly a massive wolfhound, he will endeavour to confuse the wolves and help the Heroes.


Other stuff

The players will be told if Draugluin is successful.

Do not edit your posts, please. Double posting is perfectly acceptable here.

If I use players' names in my narrations, they are not "hidden clues" or anything.

You can say you're a Hero/Sauron/werewolf, etc. all you want, but you are not allowed to post anything that would automatically prove your claim (like PMs and such).

Once you are killed in a werewolf game you should no longer post in this thread, or the Werewolf I thread, or communicate with players that are still alive in the game. You're dead. Dead people tell no tales.

Players may not PM one another about the game; all discussion must be open. The exceptions are the Heroes, who may only PM with each other during Night.

Players should not refer to the game as a game and mention past Villages in their posts. There are plenty of other ways to give reasons for a theory than say "In Game III..."

If you have any questions, either PM me or ask them in the Werewolf 1 thread, please.

Please remember to stay invisible.


INHABITANTS OF TOL-IN-GAURHOTH

1.Saucepan Man-Big Bad Wolf
2.Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
3.Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
4.Rune-Wolf-in-Shepherd's-Clothing
5.Formendacil-Lobo
6.Farael-Werewolf In Denial
7.Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
8.Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
9.Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
10.Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Taild
11.Kitanna-Beta Wolf
12.Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
13.Kath-Runt of the Litter
14.Mithalwen???-Alpha Female
15.Meneltarmacil-Lone Wolf
16.Wayne-Fairy Hunter
17.Nonnacedak-Scavenger
18.Glirdan-Butcher
(19.Anguirel-Injured but Large Wolf)

There are

3 Heroes
Sauron
Draugluin
Carcharoth
Huan
11 ordinary werewolves
Et moi.


Now to 2:00 pm-quick Day 1 (Night in normal werewolf terminology)

2:00pm today-2:00 pm tomorrow-Night 1 discussion

Sauron, send me your choice, Heroes, PM and strategise...

[Cailín]

As Arien descended below the horizon, a chorus of wolvish howls greeted Tilion's ascent and the onset of deep, black, consoling Night. The wolves of Tol-in-Gaurhoth were in their element.

Some suggested taking a trip to the ruins of Erbar Telemarth to find victims among the rubble. Some preferred preying on new, vulnerable hamlets.

But as the wolves started to lope out of the Tower, one of them stumbled over something large, dark and hairy. It was a prone wolf, apparently not awake yet, but because it was unusually large the werewolves feared to provoke it with a nip. At least till Nonnacedak came forward.

"It's dead, y'know," the scavenger remarked. "It's old Anguirel. He never recovered from the arrow that Elf hunter, the one they called Celegorm, hit him with. Time for a feast!"

And with that, several wolves started to plunge into their ex-comrade's guts. Until another voice interrupted them-Mithalwen, the huge alpha female.

"Wait. The arrow hit Anguirel on the leg. But the leg's hardly hurt. The wound's almost healed."

"Aye, madam, I did it myself, restoring it with Wargish arts," cut in Eomer gallantly.

Kath, a runt, nervously crept towards the body and prodded the neck. The throat of the deceased wolf had been cleanly cut by a succession of slashes; slashes that formed Elven runes...

We are the Three. We strike for the Villagers. You will fear us. Despair and die.

It was a lot of writing, but Anguirel was, indeed had been, very large. There were Heroes in the Isle of Werewolves...

Dead

Anguirel (Werewolf)-throat cut as he slept on Day 1


Living

Saucepan Man-Big Bad Wolf
Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
Rune-Wolf-in-Shepherd's-Clothing
Formendacil-Lobo
Farael-Werewolf In Denial
Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Tails
Kitanna-Beta Wolf
Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
Kath-Runt of the Litter
Mithalwen-Alpha Female
Meneltarmacil-Lone Wolf
Wayne-Fairy Hunter
Nonnacedak-Scavenger
Glirdan-Butcher

NIGHT 1 has begun. Start talking, wolves, and decide on a devouree.

[mormegil]

Warg?!?! Warg indeed more like a nasty elf. Notice that he's not from these parts and comes to us from afar. I think we best devour Eomer and be done with his pathetic life.

As far as Anguirel goes, I don't miss him too much. He was too big for his own skin, acting all big and mighty why he'd make himself leader if we'd let him. Though I do miss his picking on the smaller wolves I don't miss him.

[WaynetheGoblin]

Well I will tell you now that I will be posting longer post. Im scared because heros win everthing. Poor poor anguirel he always helped me to find a fairy so I could eat it. I think we should look at eomer because he comes and look what happend a werewolf got killed. Good-bye I am going to a birthday party.

[Glirdan]

Ang, Ang, my dear friend Ang. Tis a sad fate that which you met. You always chose the best meat in the store (not that there's any bad meat for Wolves). I will miss you dearly. I think there is also someone else we should look at. A certain Rune perhaps? A Wolf in Shepards clothing? Or is he a Hero disguised as a Wolf in Shepards clothing? I also agree with morm and Wayne. We need to keep a close eye on that Warg Eomer. He could be trouble. I will be back later. I need to go tend to the meats.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well of course you should all be looking at me. Rarely have you lot had a chance to glance upon the glory and beauty of a Warg. But I expected to be suspected. It's very easy to pick on those different from you.

Poor Anguirel. He was, as far as I could tell, a fine wolf. Black-hearted and mean, just the type of character I could respect; and just the type this island needs. Now, who among you wolves is willing to hunt down these Elves and show them no mercy, as opposed to spending precious time bickering over petty lupine politics?

[Oddwen]

Heroes amongst us? *howls* I hate Heroes. And they taste so bitter...

I say we killkillkillkillhahahaaa*howwwwwwwlllllll*

But who? The Fairy Eater? The Warg?

But first, onto breakfast!

[mormegil]

It's very easy to pick on those different from you.


Fun too!

Now, who among you wolves is willing to hunt down these Elves and show them no mercy, as opposed to spending precious time bickering over petty lupine politics?

I see that you wargs are thrifty on courage too.

Now I would also question our butcher? Since when do we need our meat cut for us. It seems to me that he could be one of those vicious, foul bright eyes and deserves my fangs in his weak flesh. I say we kill Glirdan!

[Glirdan]

I know he's a Crabby Old Wolf, but morm is getting a little out of hand and jumping around a lot. Being a butcher was the only thing I knew how to do before I became a blessed Wolf.

I'm agreeing with Oddwen. Why would a Wolf want to eat fairies for food? They're magical and taste disgusting because of the magic!! And Lhuna. A Girl-Who-Cried Wolf? What's the deal with that? Is she insane!? Or is it a cover for a hairy little secret she has.

[The Saucepan Man]

**GRRRRRRROOOOWWWWWLLLLL!!!**

Be afraid! Be very afraid! For the Big Bad Wolf is here ...

Contrary to Mannish folklore, Villagers have much to fear for me. For I am admirably equipped with huff and suitably arrayed with puff, and I have more than enough to blow their houses down.

Heroes, eh? Why, let us have some sport with them. Let us hunt them down and tear them limb from limb. Let us search them out and devour them 'til nothing be left of them. We have nothing to fear from them, for they are cowardly fools who dare only to strike during the day, while we sleep. They can be no match for a group of fine Wolves such as us (well, most of us). So let us avenge the death of our fallen comrade, Anguirel.

I say that, in fine Wolvish tradition, we pick on the weakest among us first. So that would be:

Eomer, a paltry Warg.
Kitanna, a mere Beta Wolf
Oddwen, yet but a whelp
and
Kath, a useless runt.

What say you, fellow beasts?

Now, who among you wolves is willing to hunt down these Elves and show them no mercyNow, how'd you know that they're Elves, eh?

[The Saucepan Man]

Or is it a cover for a hairy little secret she has.Surely you mean a hairless little secret? Or are you more used to hunting Wolves than trying to be one ...?

[Glirdan]

The first one. (I'm so used to saying hairy!! I'll have to get used to changing it.) I meant hairless, yes.

[Gurthang]

Well, whatever we decided to do, let's do it and get somebody dead! I'm a bit hungry, so the longer we wait the madder I'll be. True, Anguirel's body is right there and no one's taken to it, yet he was a rather old fart and so his meat isn't tender like I love.

Also, I say we look at our Big Bad Puffing Saucepan Wolf. Or maybe I should be saying Saucepan Man! Really, as long as I've ever heard of him, he's been a blooming innocent man every stinkin' time. I'm not so sure his heart has turned as black as we would want! I say he's still a villager, even if the odds have changed a bit! :p ;)

But I do like the idea of killing them youngsters. They've got to be very tender indeed! Although, I do have to admit that Oddwen's a bloodthirsty fiend after my own death-loving heart. I'd keep her for now, but if my choice was to be made on the spot, I'd choose that little runt, Kath.

Ah, but my memory tingles! I seem to remember Nonnacedak somehow never being around for a kill, yet always showing up for a piece of the meat! That's foul and even by a wolfish standard! I say out with thieving scavenger!

[Meneltarmacil]

Grrrrrrrrrrr, I say we ought to look at Nonnacedak, our Scavenger. He seems to be enjoying his meal. Perhaps he invited these heroes in so he could have more dead meat to eat...

But I really don't care what you think. I'll make my own plans, being a Lone Wolf and all.

[The Saucepan Man]

Also, I say we look at our Big Bad Puffing Saucepan Wolf. Or maybe I should be saying Saucepan Man!Fine words, my friend, but mayhaps dissembling ones, coming from one named after a sword wielded by a Mannish Hero! Or should we look at your chosen name. What Wolf chooses to name himself in the cursed Elven tongue?

Perhaps there is more to you, Gil-Gurth, than meets the eye ... :p

[Gurthang]

Fine words, my friend, but mayhaps dissembling ones, coming from one named after a sword wielded by a Mannish Hero! Or should we look at your chosen name. What Wolf chooses to name himself in the cursed Elven tongue?

I chose...! Surely you remember that our names are given by either what we do, an aspect of our being, or by our lord, Sauron. Mine is the latter. As to the bizarre elvish twist it puts to your tongue, I do not know, but I for one would not be questioning Lord Sauron's choice. I hear that he walks among us even now! Yes, he's here to counter these oddly deceitful heroes, so I'd not be talking so much about the Dark Lord and his choices if I were you.

[Oddwen]

As to the bizarre elvish twist it puts to your tongue, I do not know, but I for one would not be questioning Lord Sauron's choice.
Sounds like an elvish plot to me...I say our Exorcist should get to work, and see if he can't expel these blasted heroes! And if he can't, I say we EAT him!

Or "Lobo" there...did Sauron give you that name too? Sounds like some cursed domesticated name...you probably eat your food out of a bowl!

*growls*

[mormegil]

Dark Lord? What has that prat done for us lately? Garn! I'll tell you what all he's fed us is lousy orc-meat! That don't sit too well in my gut but maybe for those who dont' care what they eat it's okay. Glirdan our butcher doesn't seem to mind what meat he serves us up. Now I've got some advice for all you young runts that don't know your fangs from your claws. We better watch those that are attempting to blend in well, like Glirdan he seems to be agreeing with everybody's suspciion. First he follows my poke at our resident mutant hyena aka Warg. Then the little maggot eater goes and agrees with Oddwen. Look at the filthy Gurthang fellow, jumps on our scavenger after Menetarmacil does. Our scavernger don't bother me none, why he's one of the few that doesn't get in my way while I'm trying to have a good eat.

[Mithalwen]

Well sweeties, I have been listening to what you have had to say since poor darling Anguirel was slain, and here are my observations.

I have noticed that sometimes novice wolves we have sent into villages make the mistake of speaking too much too soon & being too effusive in praise of the dead. Now Anguirel was a fine figure of a wolf and I shall miss him but I very much doubt he spent much time chasing fairies .... ;) That was really not his style. So what was the point of Wayne's post. But Wayne is Wayne and unpredictable.

I find it a little odd that the first three to speak all accuse Eomer to some extent. Too crude to think that three little heroes were sticking their necks out in a row but I wouln't be surprised if one of them was not so furry as they like to seem. Interesting though how when they speak again - having all spoken against Eomer they start to turn on each other.

Mormegil speaks against Glirdan. Glirdan against Wayne. In some ways that might be seen as natural wolf behaviour but in the light of the early mini band-wagon, I have my doubts.

Oddwen's post is insubstantial and merely echoes the already voiced suspicions of Wayne and the Warg.

Eomer deflects accusations but only Gurthang of those who have barked so far has not named him as a suspect. While I hold that this pack should be welcoming of those of other cultures who seek sanctuary in our land the sole condition is that they must be wolfish through and through.

Which brings me to the Big Bad Saucepanwolf. I note that while he picked up on Glirdan's slip he made an interesting one of his own.

"Villagers have much to fear for me". Shouldn't that be from? Or is it that your fellow villages fear for your hame - or perhaps your skin? Anguirel's death creates a vacancy... maybe you think you will now be the biggest beast in this forest.

Well I think that will do for now. Time for a tincture, kitten's blood on the rocks methinks. See you later darlings...

[Mithalwen]

NB Cross posted with Menelmatarcil, Oddwen, morm, SPM,Gurthang... not in that order.....

[Glirdan]

Well I say! Just because I give you meat doesn't mean I don't care what kind of meat you get!! The Dark Lord is only giving me filthy orcs to cut up!! It's rather annoying. I can't WAIT 'till we find one of those filthy little Heroes. Then, I'll forget all about my butchering and REALLY have a feast!!

Yet I'm growing uneasy about those who haven't spoken up, which are quite a few I might add.

Oh and morm, next time there's meat that isn't an orc, try leaving some for the others, ok? We're all sick and tired of the rotten orc flesh we eat every day.

[Farael]

So now Mr. Glirdan seems too happy to accuse us who like to use our brains rather than our paws... or hands in my case... and yes, I say Mr. Glirdan for he has just become my prime suspect. Why would you blame pretty much everyone who is still trying to understand what is going on in this place? It is bad enough that I have to live with you wolves every day that now I've sprouted hair all over me! I really hope this wolfishness is not contagious.

But I am ranting... we are all too upset over this death in which we were not invloved so I think I shall go home for now and comb my hair until I look normal again... then I shall come back and we will kill those filthy heroes. By the way butcher, get me some meat for tonight.... and it better be good, or else I'll devour you even if I am wrong and you are not a hero.

Did I just say devour? I meant Lynch... for that is what we men do... even men who are faithful to the Dark Lord Sauron like myself.

[Glirdan]

Well now see, I think you pretty much gave yourself away there Farael.

a) Attacking others on Day 1 is pretty much what you tend to do when you're confused and have no evidence of who would do such a horrible thing.

b) When I say give yourself away, I mean your looking pretty suspicious and man like in my eyes right now. I want everyone to note what Mr. Farael just stated in his last scentence:

Did I just say devour? I meant Lynch... for that is what we men do... even men who are faithful to the Dark Lord Sauron like myself.

I bolded that part purposely because that is what makes me suspect him of Heroisim. Most Wolves wouldn't say "Lynch". I know I would say devour, just like he did off the bat. Not to mention the whole "we men" part. That seems to me like an outright confession!

Oh, and Farael, I'll get you some meat. But I don't promise you that it will be good. After all, we only get orc flesh.

[mormegil]

Farael-Werewolf In Denial

And nasty elves are quick to accuse!

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I hate Heroes. And they taste so bitter...Ooh, prey tell, when do you have had a chance to plunge your teeth into a hero?

I say that, in fine Wolvish tradition, we pick on the weakest among us first. How convenient for a Big bad wolf to suggest that... Although, it's true that we need to have strong lycans to fight the heroes. Look at what they did to Anguirel - they must have chosen him just because he was injured.

Now, it's soon time for me to take a nap, but I want to say this first: this is not a diner! Let's not discuss who would make a best meal but who is most likely to be a hero.

Oh, and Glirdan, don't forget this:... or hands in my case... Seems like a confession, indeed. But this Werewolf In Denial of ours seems more like a mental case than a hero. Although... What's this sudden quarrel between you two, eh?

[Mithalwen]

So since you were the quickest to accuse anyone Mr Grumpy-mormegil does that mean you are a nasty elf yourself?

[mormegil]

So since you were the quickest to accuse anyone Mr Grumpy-mormegil does that mean you are a nasty elf yourself?

You're always trying to make yourself captain aren't you. Why you must think you're the great Carcharoth himself. Young upstarts like you need to learn their place and I tell you I've killed more elves than you have hairs on that body of yours so learn your place and listen to what I say or there will be trouble. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Thrifty on courage? That's exactly the kind of outrageous statement that passes for wisdom in these parts. How dare ye, Mormegil? I was asking those willing and merciless wolves to join me in the hunt for these Elves. And yes SpM, I say Elves because they used foul Elven runes on the carcass of Anguirel. Even if these heroes are not Elves they are no better. Grrrrr!!!!

I hate Elves. And Men. And Dwarves, ooooh, I just hate Dwarves. And I also hate those 'True' Wargs [which I'm sure you'll all have heard about]. Think they're so much better than me. Mocking me all the time, how I loathe them...

In any case, I am currently inclined to ignore the reasoning of the Crabby wolf and the Big Bad Wolf because they show no knowledge of the right nature of Wargs and seem stuck in their ignorant ways. Tell me, my wolves, where did you hear such nonsense and untruths about the Wargs? Have your studies been based on the lore and histories laid down by the Elves, they who twist all to suit their purpose? To turn wolf against Warg, that is their aim!

[Mithalwen]

Mormegil, perhaps it is age, perhaps it is the truth hurting, but clearly you forget to whom you speak. I am neither Carcharoth nor any captain but I am no upstart. I know my place and that place is Alpha female.

I note your only defence is to threaten me and that would be mistake. Is the trouble you threaten that I should not emerge from my den next nightfall, victim of you and your associates?

But be assured I am listening most carefully to what you say - else I would not have noticed your double standard..... not that one expects much in the way of morality from wolves ... but in this dangerous situation a little consistency might be helpful....

And Eomer, bear in mind that while Wargism might have been the lupine orientation that dare not speak it's name in times gone by it is now in danger of being the one that does not shut up. At this rate you run the risk of being devoured not for being a warg but for demonstrating too volubly the chips on both your shoulders. In some of the villages we have attacked in the past, we have had easy victories since the inhabitants chose to avail themselves of the opportunities to rid themselves of those they find annoying.

We must not fall into that trap. To devour an innocent is a victory only for the heroes - this is not a time to settle petty grudges.

Many have accused you. Perhaps you are an easy target - but you are not the only one. I fear that we may miss among the noise more silent suspects.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I will indeed bear that in mind, Mith. :rolleyes: :D

But perhaps you are looking at this from the wrong angle. Maybe the early votes could be less confusing than you would have originally thought, considering how things have gone. But I won't try to scare any of the 'fair folk' by being less cryptic than that, or than this. So I'll hush. ;)

I'll refer back to this, if need be (as it may well prove).

[Formendacil]

You're always trying to make yourself captain aren't you. Why you must think you're the great Carcharoth himself. Young upstarts like you need to learn their place and I tell you I've killed more elves than you have hairs on that body of yours so learn your place and listen to what I say or there will be trouble. :p

And you don't?

I beg your pardon, O Crabby One, but I have been on several hunts with you and you always try to manipulate the voting so that YOUR chosen victim dies, and because of your placement in the timezones, you manage to make it look innocent.

Methinks, fellow werewolves, that we're going to see a glorious clash of personalities between these two "silverbacks". Wouldn't it be deliciously evil if they were both ordinary Werewolves?

Or "Lobo" there...did Sauron give you that name too? Sounds like some cursed domesticated name...you probably eat your food out of a bowl!

Young whelp, are you being provoking or just plain stupid? Anyone with the slightest touch of linguistics should be aware that "Lobo" means "wolf" in the language of Spanish Harad- a language derived from the heathen Rome so despised for its conquest of the North that it may be considered synonymous with the Lord Melkor's forces.

Have you such a pedigree to YOUR name?

These first Nights are always so trying...

There will be no conclusive evidence one way or another. How better to stir up the day than a vote...

How about Glirdan then? Our little butcher has made several little errors of late that could be attributed to too many expeditions in the human villages- but it could also be an Elvish tongue trying to adapt to the speech of wolves.

On this day of useless rhetoric and self-defensory bandwaggoning what better choice do we have than foolish slips of the tongue?

++Glirdan

He may be innocent. The odds are that he's innocent. But his reaction should be interesting...

[Boromir88]

I wish I could perform some sort of ritual that would spare the wolf's life, but alas that's something I'm still trying to perfect. Remember our brethren have been infected with a wicked spirit, this isn't by their own free will, it's no doubt the work of them nasty elves.

Anguirel's a sad loss, but we'll survive without him. I say we kill Kath for just being the runt of the pack. The elves could easily effect such a weakling that probably wants to enact revenge for all the years of getting kicked around.

[Mithalwen]

Well Eomer, my poppet, if I weren't confused before, I am now. Your words suggest various possibilities. Your cryptic speech makes me hesitate to define them. But we all know the situation and can draw our own conclusions (or should that be confusions?). And I see there has been a vote cast and I must depart before too long so I shall review the new posts and make a decison whether to strike early or risk not being able to return before matters are settled... a leader or a follower .. I suppose that answers the question!!!

[Glirdan]

Seems like a confession, indeed. But this Werewolf In Denial of ours seems more like a mental case than a hero. Although... What's this sudden quarrel between you two, eh?

Didn't notice that part. I guess I was being, as a stupid old tree lover would say, "hasty". I wouldn't say that we are quarelling Spawn. I would say that he was pointing out the many mistakes that I have made (and has earned me a vote by the looks of things) and I have accused him because what he said seems very, and I'm sure you'll agree, Heroish. Right now, he is my chief suspect. But you could be right in saying that he's just plain loony.

Now to adress our Lobo over there. You're vote for me, no matter how much I tell you is the wrong vote, is not at all surprising given the many mistakes that I have made thus far. And it's most likely that I'll make other such little mistakes which will eventually get me into even more trouble. What I just said could get me into more trouble.

Yet, now I wonder why you have cast you're vote so early on, not to mention after only one post? Is it because you have something to do (timezone problems). Is it trying to diminish the possibility that you are a hero when you actually are? Or is it just because you wanted to? You're definetly one worth watching for the nxt little while and I promise you, I will be doing just that.

[Formendacil]

Yet, now I wonder why you have cast you're vote so early on, not to mention after only one post? Is it because you have something to do (timezone problems). Is it trying to diminish the possibility that you are a hero when you actually are? Or is it just because you wanted to?

How about a combination of a couple of those?

There are, truly enough, real timezone problems out here, with days starting and ending at 2 in the morning, compounded by having an eight-hour evening shift.

At the same time... I just wanted to. I've fought enough villages to know that the first night of attack is always a useless day of bandwaggoning and rhetoric. It's value is only for those who survive to the next few days and are able to examine the voting patterns and slip-ups of speech for clues to finding the perpetrators.

You're definitly one worth watching for the next little while and I promise you, I will be doing just that.

Do that then. You will be watching the wrong wolf, I assure you, but if it eases your mind...

For myself, I do not think of you as guilty- yet! As of now, you are merely a neutral case that could be proven either way. Time will tell, if you don't.

[Nonnacedak]

All I can say is we need more death around here and I feel that we will be seeing a lot more in the near future. This pleases me to a level you fellow lycans will never understand. I see there have been a few accusations toward the only lycan who chooses the dead over the living but that of course was well on its way. Being an outcast amoung outcasts will get you this kind of unpopular attention.

Accusers beware of my bite as I feel that this little habit of mine has made it rather unhealthy even to the likes of fellow lycans!

I await further chatter to make any kind of judgment.

[Mithalwen]

Anguirel's a sad loss, but we'll survive without him.


The point is sweetie, that we aren't going to survive. At least not all of us. We know the score - these so called heroes are playing us at our own game and we must win if we are not to be the laughing stock of the Lycanthrope world. And why are you editing your posts?

Kath has not yet dared squeak.

Statistically at least 2 of the "heroes" have posted only they know about anyone other than themselves save the Lord Sauron. There is also be a traitor if our own true blood in our midst who cares not for his own skin if he can protect his allies. There may be signs out there. I urge you to look for them since I must away. I fear having urged you not to cast votes for frivoulous or spiteful reasons may have to do so myself since I cannot delay my departure further. Hypocritical maybe but better than not voting at all I think.

I will have one last look and then decide.

[Meneltarmacil]

All right, I've returned from raiding the nearby villages. Here are my thoughts.

Interesting that crabby old Morm has accused Gurthang of bandwagoning on my suggestion when Gurthang actually suggested it first. He's most likely just confused, though, so I'm willing to overlook it for now. Farael's comment isn't really suspicious to me, as he's probably just playing his role as a Werewolf in Denial. Glirdan quickly jumps in to accuse him of being a Hero, though. Could Glirdan be a Hero or the Cobbler trying to throw us off track? Formendacil's early vote for is odd, but since it's for the suspicious-looking Glirdan, I can understand. Still, if Glirdan's not a Hero/Cobbler, Formendacil may be.

[Mithalwen]

Ok I have reached what I think is the most sensible decison in the circumstances.

As I said I suspect those who post very early. Of the trio I perhaps would have gone for Glirdan but he may well be clumsy rather than guilty. He already has a vote and I am not certain enough to jump on that band-wagon.

Mormegil. He voted first which is always suspicious to me. He has insulted and threatened him and I do suspect him still - more than Glirdan. But he may just be his grumpy old self. and it might seem spiteful to vote for him because he was nasty to me - How dare he the cur?!!!!

However at the eleventh hour my hackles have been raised by a little thing I noticed on my final read through. The Big Bad SaucepanMan asked Eomer how he knew Anguirel's assailants were Elves. He did not ask Mormegil who was the first to say they were. This seems uncharacteristically careless as does the little slip about the villagers fearing for him. He has also been quiet. I know it is early days for his habitual screeds of analysis but he does seem to have had a personality change. So on the whole I feel it is a choice between Huff-Puff and Crabby (solicitors of Taur na Fuin :p ). I mean they both could be ...... but

++ THE SAUCEPAN MAN

Well it is worth a shot ....... off for more drinkies and to find nice fresh meat .... try not to devour more than necessary tonight darlings - unless you are certain...

[Kath]

Well well Anguirel dead. Can't say I'm too bothered. Just because I'm a runt he treated me as worthless! Which seems to be the opinion of many of you bigger wolves. To you I say that even Sauron himself was small compared to his masters, so don't judge someone by their size but by their worth.

A vote for Glirdan has already come in and I'm not surprised. But I wonder if all those seeming slips could be Cobblerish rather than Wolvish. They seem overly obvious. Either way it's probably a good idea to get him out of the way.

And what about Wayne?
Im scared because heros win everthing.
Caught me as a strange remark the first time I read it. On first glance a remark fitting of an ordinary werewolf, but then it seems odd to mention it in the very first post.

Farael - is this werewolf in denial act all a clever cover up for his actually being a Hero? Some of what he's been saying has been slightly contradictory.
But I am ranting... we are all too upset over this death in which we were not invloved so I think I shall go home for now and comb my hair until I look normal again... then I shall come back and we will kill those filthy heroes. By the way butcher, get me some meat for tonight.... and it better be good, or else I'll devour you even if I am wrong and you are not a hero. Did I just say devour? I meant Lynch... for that is what we men do... even men who are faithful to the Dark Lord Sauron like myself.
So, wants not to be a werewolf but seems quite happy to use our ways for revenge. Then goes right back on his words. Definitely odd.

I've got nothing else right now. And most of that is likely to be rubbish. We won't know anything til tomorrow I fear, and we have something more to go off.

[Boromir88]

The point is sweetie, that we aren't going to survive. At least not all of us. We know the score - these so called heroes are playing us at our own game and we must win if we are not to be the laughing stock of the Lycanthrope world.
Well, if we are all dead why does it matter if we are the laughing stock?
And why are you editing your posts?
If you must know, I changed "lynch" to "kill." Because, I'm not used to having things suddenly switched around and found out we're eating here, not lynching. Though I could perform an expulsion of the spirit, though as I said this would result in the death of the wolf as I have yet to find a way to save the mate after the spirits been expelled.

[Nonnacedak]

Im sorry to say that I must cast my vote now since I shall be away for the rest of the night. And the random vote goes to!

++Meneltarmacil

:D

I didn't want to jump on any kind of bandwagon the first night so there is my vote.

[Glirdan]

Let me explain my reasoning for jumping down Farael throat. I did not notice what he was at first. Now that I know what he is, I see that he's probably just acting in character. However, that still doesn't ease my mind. As previously said, what if he's a Hero in Wolves clothing who really isn't in denial about being a Wolf? That's all very confusing and all, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

This is adressed to Mith (if you get back tonight) where is morm's vote? I do not see it anywhere. By the looks of things, Formendacil was the first to vote (for me I might add). Unless I'm just blind and can't see it when it's right in front of my face. So, would someone mind clearing things up?

[Boromir88]

Hmm, Meneltarmacil says we should look at Nonnacedak, Nonnacedak makes it a point to us that his vote is random (as is everyone's so what's the need in saying it's random)? What to make of this developement. It seems like Nonna's vote has more of a purpose than just being random...trying to strike back against the brother who says we should suspect you?

[Boromir88]

Cross-posting with Glirdan...we might as well just kill Farael. Wolf in denial hey? Well if 'e don't wanna be a wolf, I say we eat him.

Edit: Still having difficulties adjusting from the terminology of "lynching" and "devouring." I will get it down in good time.

[mormegil]

++Glirdan

A bit too eager to jump on any bandwagon available. Plus I like to chew my own meat and not have it butchered.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Glirdan's a bit too eager to jump on bandwagons, eh Morm? But, at the same time, you know that a vote for Glirdan at the moment is pretty safe because of the substantial murmurs against him. Slight hypocrisy there, methinks. Why don't I take your advice and start up a Morm bandwagon?

We'll see.

[Meneltarmacil]

I don't believe there's any reason to be suspicious of Farael at the moment. He's just playing his role here. Boromir88 seems to think otherwise though. Perhaps you could offer more of a reason why?

Anyway, at this point, my vote, for reasons I've mentioned before, will go to Glirdan unless further events change my mind.

[mormegil]

My dear oversized Hyena, if you will note I was the first to bring up suspicion against that Elf, therefore I do not see how sticking to my own thoughts and suspicions can be viewed as bandwagoning, though I was waiting to see who would play that angle!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My fellow wolves I hate every one of you with every fiber of my harry body, rivals! That is all you are to me! None the less I am sorry that I have been absent, what can I say? There was some sheep that needed my atention. . .

A lot have been said and votes have already been castet for wom people think should be our next meal! (May there meat be jucy sweet) I my self has not made up my mind, but one thing I will comment on is Glirdan.


I think there is also someone else we should look at. A certain Rune perhaps? A Wolf in Shepards clothing? Or is he a Hero disguised as a Wolf in Shepards clothing?

What would that make me? A Hero clothed in a Wolf in a Shepards clothing or A Hero in a Wolf in a Shepards cothing clothing ? :p


I don't see anything suspisios about Glirdan's behavior, infact it seems very wolfish to me. It seems he is very eager to find these Heroes and therefor makes some small mistakes.

and if I may say so Bandwagoning wont do us any good after my opinion.

I will return later with more comments and maybe a vote

[Boromir88]

Boromir88 seems to think otherwise though. Perhaps you could offer more of a reason why?~Meneltarmacil
Simply suggesting if Farael doesn't want to be a wolf, refuses she's a wolf, we should be nice little wolves and make it so she aint a wolf anymore, if you get what I mean.

I'll probably vote for Nonnacedak unless someone is a good little hero to come out and admit it. I mean if you are one of these Elven beasts you could save your troop a lot of trouble and needless deaths by admitting it. Might as well get it over with, because you will fail in the end, the sooner your death the easier it will be for everyone.

[WaynetheGoblin]

Morm, glirden,mith have posted 7 times each. I dont post that much on day 1 and glirden allways anows me with his I want to post more then evryone so.
++GLIRDEN

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, it's getting late where I am. I'm going to vote now.

++Glirdan

If anyone needs me, I'll be off howling at the moon before it sets. Owwwooooooooooooo!

Edit: cross posted with Wayne

[mormegil]

Morm, glirden,mith have posted 7 times each. I dont post that much on day 1 and glirden allways anows me with his I want to post more then evryone so.
++GLIRDEN


Well you fairy loving ninnyheimer if you want to post more than everyone I suggest more than 2 per day, however if they are not of some substance I will suspect you are trying to be too loud and go after you with my sharp fangs...they may be old but they have a lot of bite left in them. And young fresh meat would be nice indeed. I hope you take my advice.

[Glirdan]

*commence venting (take nothing seriously)*

Well Wayne, I must say that you are rather annoying yourself. Always talking about those stupid, disgusting fairies you eat. What kind of Wolf does that? It's disgusting!!

Morm defending me also strange (somewhat) when he already voted for me, the hypocrite! And saying I'm bandwaggoning with people on suspicions when you and go do pretty much the same thing with your vote for me. Once again, hypocrite! (this is all for fun morm, don't take ANY of it seriously).

Rune, what in Melkor's name are you talking about? You confused me soooo much!!! GRRR!! I don't like being confused. :(

*end venting*

Well now that I've had a little fun, time to get more serious, not that some of that wasn't serious.

My vote, unless something else changes will be for Farael. I still can't shake the feeling that he is infact one of those delicious tasting Elf Heroes. Mmmmm, Elf flesh!! :D I'll be back later. I have to go get that meat for Farael, if he gets back on time.

[Gurthang]

Cobbler: Rune or Glirdan

73% sure

[Gurthang]

Cobbler: Rune or Glirdan

73% sure

*ahem* (This is rather embarassing :o )
That should be:

Huan: Rune or Glirdan

73% sure

[mormegil]

Morm defending me also strange (somewhat) when he already voted for me, the hypocrite! And saying I'm bandwaggoning with people on suspicions when you and go do pretty much the same thing with your vote for me. Once again, hypocrite! (this is all for fun morm, don't take ANY of it seriously).

Oddly I don't think I defended you, rather I went after Wayne and his ridiculous statement and odd vote. Nay I am no hypocrite. As I stated before to Eomer I started the day suspicious of you and have continued on it, so how does that make me a bandwagoner?

[Gurthang]

However at the eleventh hour my hackles have been raised by a little thing I noticed on my final read through. The Big Bad SaucepanMan asked Eomer how he knew Anguirel's assailants were Elves. He did not ask Mormegil who was the first to say they were. This seems uncharacteristically careless as does the little slip about the villagers fearing for him. He has also been quiet. I know it is early days for his habitual screeds of analysis but he does seem to have had a personality change.

Actually, I don't think that points to him being a hero. Think about it, we all know Saucepan to be rather intelligent, sometimes irritatingly so ( ;) ), and it would be rather foolish of him to suddenly change his style of play if he became a part of the minority for once. I really don't think he would play like that, he's too smart.

I rather like the Glirdan bandwagon, although I don't think I'll join it. Everyone always complains about bandwagoning, but I really don't see what's so wrong with it. It let's one prepare properly for a meal instead of making a last second decision. I like to know what I'm having ahead of time, and a cut of butcher doesn't sound bad at all.

Voting:

Glirdan: 4
Menel: 1
Saucepan: 1

At one time, I had my eye on Farael, until I saw his occupation. That doesn't entirely clear him though, since he could just be using that as a lucky cover.

Well, it's about time I got to sleep. Wouldn't want to eat on no rest after all.

++Rune

Because Glirdan doesn't need my help to die, he looks to be on his way, and Rune made me confused when he talked about clothing a sheep in a wolf or wolfing a sheep in a cloth, or whatever it was.

[Oddwen]

Ooh, prey tell, when do you have had a chance to plunge your teeth into a hero?
There was that one time, remember...some elves and a man came over for some reason, we ate the elves but the man got away...

And to the Wolf with the Mannish name - yes, perhaps I am stupid. But I know a Mannish name when I see one.

All this talk about 'bandwagoning' gets to me...it needs to be done, ya gets it done. If ya gots ta be a copycat, so be's it. There has to be bandwagoning else no-one gets eaten!

My defence of the common excuse being over, I must place my vote for

++GLIRDAN

Ha ha! I'm baaa-a-aandwagoning!

No, really. He's jumping on the slightest mention of his name like a fish. I like fish. They taste great.

Though...who decided we're a democracy, one wolf one vote?

Still awaiting the Wolf who cried Girl.

CP'd with Gurth

[Kitanna]

I don't have a lot of time here so I'll try to make this as quick as possible. I've read through everything and a few things struck me as odd.
1) At the beginning there was a lot of jumping on Eomer (first morm, then Glirdan, and then a quick mention by Oddwen). For the most part I'm just going to push that to the back of my mind.
2) There have been a few slips in speech. Often times pertaining to us being wolves instead of regular old villagers. Since it is day one I'd like to let it go. If those before me hadn't slipped up and been called on I'd probably be making the same mistake.
3) This Glirdan bandwagon, I'm not sure what to think. I honestly haven't found anything to really peg him as a hero yet, but maybe I'm not reading carefully enough. I'll reread all his posts.
4) Nonnacedak's vote for Menel. Random he says, but wasn't Menel calling for us to take a harder look at Nonnacedak? Maybe Nonnacedak is trying to cover his hairless behind from further questioning by Menel. Maybe he's really an upset wolf who wants to get even with Menel. Or maybe he picked a name out of a hat.

Well I think I most vote now because I'll probably sleep right through the end of day one.

++NONNACEDAK

My suspicions aren't very strong, but his vote for Menel seems slightly less random then he makes it out to be.

[Lhunardawen]

*yawn* *growl*

Well, well, sorry to be awake so late, fellow lycans, but a beautiful girl-wolf like me needs her sleep. Sometimes I just feel like I'm living in a different time zone.

So I see poor big Ang's dead! Well, it's a bad sign for our village but I think it serves him right for being such a bully.

And what's this? Heroes? This should be fun...I heard they taste oh-so-good! I hope we catch these awful creatures and have a feast on their tender yummy flesh!

And Lhuna. A Girl-Who-Cried Wolf? What's the deal with that? Is she insane!? Or is it a cover for a hairy little secret she has.Now, now. Is this an innocent slip-up or a revelation of something...interesting?

But Wayne is Wayne and unpredictable.In a crisis such as this unpredictable is always bad. I say we devour him and spare ourselves the trouble of trying to understand what he's doing.

As I stated before to Eomer I started the day...Started the WHAT??? My, my, Crabby Wolf.

That's all I see for now. You see, I'm too drowsy to make anything analytical out of your ramblings. Besides, analysis? Isn't that a very mannish thing to do?

[Farael]

We might as well just kill Farael. Wolf in denial hey? Well if 'e don't wanna be a wolf, I say we eat him

By all means!! And while you are at it, all hail Huan the wolf. Yes, I'm saying it to you, boromir but I shall not waste any more energy on you, for now I know not to listen to your empty words.

And who was it that said that I'm a wolf in denial? I scoff at that, SCOFF I say! For as far as I know, you are all men who believe to be wolves. The only difference is that I see the truth. I even brushed my teeth before coming here and you know how many times I cut myself since I grew this silly fangs? but no, you don't appreciate civilized company, I hate you!!! almost as much as I hate those heroes.

Alas, I am not a hero myself. Sure, some of you may think that I am a hero in a convenient desguise but let me tell you one thing. I might be something I do not admit I am but one thing is for sure. I am no hero myself.

Now I shall go and fetch myself some meat... I do not fancy werewolf meat tonight, at least not the same one that has been sitting here for most of the day already. And the butcher of this one-warg town only has orc meat so I say, why do we need him? He is so intent on making controversy I would almost guess he has infiltrated our ranks as it was said that filthy Huan has done.... yet something tells me is that supposed exorcist and so I shall cast my vote for the one whom I believe a Hero

++GLIRDAN

And now I shall leave you... but tell me when it's time to get rid of that Hero among us.

[Lhunardawen]

Alas! I fear I've roused myself from sleep too late!

Frankly I see no reason as yet to strongly suspect Glirdan of heroism. So he's admitted to a few mistakes himself, and my female instinct tells me those are sincerely accidental. By all rights I could be wrong, but I'm telling you what I think (not that it would matter this time, I'm afraid). If ever he IS a hero, please don't suspect me of being one of his associates.

I'm just afraid that we might be indulging in cannibalism toNight, and the abhorred heroes among us will be rubbing their deceptively hairy hands in glee. And if Glirdan IS one of us true-blue lycans, I think one of them heroes will have voted against him, seeing that it's easy to hide themselves amidst the bandwagon. Bandwagonning, after all, is the way of real werewolves.

I still say we rid ourselves of Wayne. How anyone can stomach feeding on those cute fairies is beyond me.

[Lhunardawen]

*sigh*

Maybe I really DO live in a different time zone. Why else would you all choose to be quiet when I want you to speak up? Or is this some kind of...okay, okay, I refuse to give in to paranoia.

Well the time has come for me to leave and do girly-wolvish stuff you probably know nothing about. And before I go, I shall prove to you all that I am a girl of my word.

++WaynetheGoblin

Is it me, or is there something deja-vu-ish about this?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, well, haven't you been assiduous. 11 votes already. In chronological order...

Formendacil -> Glirdan
Mithalwen -> SpM
Nonnacedac -> Menel
mormegil -> Glirdan
Wayne -> Glirdan
Menel -> Glirdan
Gurthang -> Rune
Oddwen -> Glirdan
Kitanna -> Nonna
Farael -> Glirdan
Lhuna -> Wayne


Glirdan [speaks] against Wayne Funny, because just in his previous post Glirdan was agreeing with Wayne. It's also true that he's been eager to agree with just about everyone. Somehow I could think that a Hero would be more cautious... unless he's bluffing, but maybe he's our Huan. It looks like we are going to find it out soon anyway.

I'd like to point out a few trios in our village. Gurthang and Menel both mentioned Nonnacedak very early when he hadn't even posted yet. Nonna then "randomly" votes for Menel. Now, dog does not eat dog, but a hero just might do that. Or perhaps Kitanna is somehow involved... she didn't like Nonna voting for Menel. Maybe those two have some common activities during Day.

Another interesting combination would be mormegil, Eomer and Nonnacedak. Mormegil accuses Eomer because he's a Warg. Obligatory suspicion towards a fellow hero without good enough reasons to get them devoured? Also, Morm defends Nonnac before he has even posted, but doesn't mention him by name. Instead, Morm refers to him as a scavenger. Maybe an attempt not to draw too much attention to him?

Then there is this trio: Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf who is the vocalist, Butcher who plays the saw and Huffing and puffing Big Bad Wolf who plays the wind instruments... (sorry, couldn't resist :rolleyes: )

I have to reread everything before I vote and I have now other things that I must do. I hope I'll be back in a couple of hours.

[The Saucepan Man]

He has also been quiet. I know it is early days for his habitual screeds of analysis but he does seem to have had a personality change.Well, m'dear, I have had Wolvish affairs to attend to which are unrelated to our present troubles. I am sure that I do not need to tell you that one cannot always be present at our Wolvish counsels when one would like to be. The fact that you seek to use this against me does raise some concerns in my mind with regard to your own nature. As for the other points on which you base your vote against me, well these great claws are wonderful instruments for killing, but not so great when it comes to typing. :p And yes, I did notice that Mormegil mentioned Elves before Eomer - after I had posted - but since that was all part of the traditional early mutterings, I am not overly concerned about either because of it.

Glirdan seems to have been chosen as the main subject of scrutiny this night. Which troubles me, as I would have preferred the votes to have been more evenly spread. Had they been so, they would be more useful in nights to come (unless Glirdan does prove to be a Hero). Were it not for the concentration of votes against Glirdan, I may have been tempted to vote for him myself. He has, after all, seemed eager to agree with most theories that have been proposed (save for those against him, of course). And he is guilty of a number of slip-ups, the aggregation of which may speak against him. Yet I tend to think that he is a Wolfhound come among us to aid the Heroes. No matter, we will most likely know one way or the other soon enough.

So, rather than joining a bandwagon which seems likely at this stage to overrun its victim, I prefer to place my vote elsewhere this night. And, rather than bring forward a new candidate, it would seem sensible to place a vote for one who has garnered a vote already. Of these, the likely suspects, to my mind, would appear to be Nonnacedak and Wayne. I agree with others who have noted that Nonnacedak's early reaction vote against Meneltarmacil makes him look suspicious. Perhaps it is too early in the hunt to be drawing conclusions from such matters, but we have little to go on on this, the first night. And as for Wayne, well he is saying more than I would normally expect from him (although he could hardly say less), which marks a change in behaviour. He was also one of the earliest to jump on the Glirdan bandwaggon, having not voiced suspicions of him before. And, if we do not kill and devour him now, we will no doubt be debating whether to do so in nights to come.

I will be back later to cast my vote, but it will most likely be for one of those two.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I dont have much to say, It is simply too early to say base suspesions on anything of substanse. There is however some people who has actet kind of odd.

Wayne
Noona
and
Farael

I will let Noona and farael get another chance. Wayne however is as some has statet unpredictable, even with his longer post's.

++Wayne

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, not much to go on since I was last here. With the votes yet to come, any of Glirdan, Meneltarmacil, Nonnacedak, Rune, Wayne or myself may yet succumb to this night's devouring, although Glirdan seems to be the most likely candidate.

I am wary of reading too much into Wayne's behaviour, and Nonnacedak's quick vote against Meneltarmacil in retaliation does seem suspicious to me. Moreover, by keeping the field as open as possible there is yet a possibility of catching a late voting Hero trying to save a comrade. I shall therefore cast my vote for ...

++NONNACEDAK

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, much hasn't been said while I was away. I agree with SpM that it would be better if there were at least a couple possible candidates for devouring. If Glirdan get's killed and everyone has voted for him, we can't look very much into the voting patterns wether he's a hero or not. Therefore I'm going to vote for

++NONNACEDAK

because both of my theories involved him and I don't want to climb the Glirdan bandwagon.

edit: Cross-posted with Saucy.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What say ye wolves to me giving my vote to Nonnacedak? I don't particularly suspect him but maybe it could tell us more about the few remaining votes? What do you think (if anyone can make it back here to discuss it).

The one who I suspect has not garnered a single vote and it could be a waste for me to vote that way on this night.

[Boromir88]

By all means!! And while you are at it, all hail Huan the wolf. Yes, I'm saying it to you, boromir but I shall not waste any more energy on you, for now I know not to listen to your empty words.
You don't have to listen to me, and I am no Huan. Listen to yourself, but I'm merely suggesting if you don't want to be a wolf we can easily make it so that you aren't.

Is there anyone else left to vote besides me? If so I dearly wish to get Nonnacedak as I find this bandwagon against Glirdan troubling. I do agree with our Big Bad Wolf in one thing that we want our votes spread out, and this stream of people against Glirdan is rather troubling. If I am the only one left to vote then this vote will be pointless. But, I'm going to vote for the way that I said for most of this day as I find no reason to suspect Glirdan and I think our heros have sneakily piled up this bandwagon. Tomorrow If I'm dead I would take a look at these people:
mormegil -> Glirdan
Wayne -> Glirdan
Menel -> Glirdan
and...
Oddwen -> Glirdan
Who put it out of reach.

[Boromir88]

Knuckle-head me forgot to tag on my vote:

++Nonnacedak

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Three votes left, I think. One of them mine.


If I vote for Nonna then he will have 5 and Glirdan will have 6 (I hope I've counted right!) and then there will be two votes left, which could make things very interesting. Of course, it could simply look as though I am trying to save Glirdan, a task which looks very possible at the moment. And it's also likely that all the Elves have voted already, which would make heavy-analysis of the final votes all the more pointless.

*sigh*

I don't know what to do.

[Boromir88]

If I vote for Nonna then he will have 5 and Glirdan will have 6 (I hope I've counted right!)
You have, and that reminds me to add Farael to the list, as before I didn't see she voted for Glirdan, and she's the one that got it up to 6 votes.

Of course, it could simply look as though I am trying to save Glirdan, a task which looks very possible at the moment.
You and me in the same boat. This is the problem with voting when 1 or 2 people have the concentration of votes. If you're wrong it looks like you tried to save a fellow hero, if you're right...well it still looks like you betrayed your fellow hero. Which is why I think atleast one hero is in the group I mentioned above that really started to spread things between Glirdan and the rest.

And it's also likely that all the Elves have voted already, which would make heavy-analysis of the final votes all the more pointless.
It's likely, and in fact logically and mathematically likely that neither Glirdan nor Nonna our heros. Despite all this, I would still encourage you to vote, even if it's just looks like a throw-away vote at someone who has no chance of being devoured today.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, I wanted to vote for Oddwen but I've read her last post more carefully and I'm happier with her for the moment; so now I'm even more bamboozled.

I've decided not to vote for Nonna or Glirdan, because I don't find either to be particularly Elvish. This could look either noble or manipulative but that's what I get for leaving my vote so late. So be it.

I'm going to vote for one of the quiet ones, someone who is hiding in the middle-ground; because that's probably where 1 or 2 Elves are lurking and ready to pounce. I'll be back in 5 minutes.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Actually, forget the quiet ones! I'm voting for

++MORMEGIL

because he seems sneaky. The quiet ones all seem so genuine. :rolleyes:

[Anguirel]

Even as the Black Warg finished his speech, the sky darkened, in the blackest watch of the night, before dawn's outbreak, and a bellowing, atavistic, spine-curdling voice of command called out:

Sorry I'm late, minions. Now, let the...devouring...commence...

Voting closed. Night 1 finishing soon.

[Anguirel]

In fine wolvish tradition, the Hounds of Sauron had squabbled long and hard as the blood in the dead Anguirel's veins cooled. Though some spoke for applying animal cunning and fiendish logic to the problem, few dared run against the prevailing, and bloody, emotions, lest they be accused of Elvish intellect, Human rationality or even Dwarven common sense.

Thus the deciding factor, as ever, proved to be hunger. Hunger for vengeance at the blow to the Isle's pride; (for few save the maternal alpha female Mithalwen genuinely showed any grief over their slain comrade); hunger for praise and promotion should they catch a Hero; but most of all, hunger for meat, dark, rich, juicy, saucy, satisfying, overwhelmingly filling meat, to finally slake the screaming of their fell stomachs.

So naturally the two leading candidates to be ripped to pieces were those who were known to be hoarding food; Glirdan, the butcher, who actually had the temerity to sell meat to his fellow-wolves, in exchange for bone-marrow (such was commerce in Tol-in-Gaurhoth); and Nonnacedak, a notoriously sly carcass muncher, a scavenger who avoided raids on villages, but turned up when the struggle was over to feed on cadavers. It was thought that it might be hiding some such catch in its filthy lair.

However, the prospect of the butcher's store was the more tempting to the lupine rabble. As one, they encircled the corpulent meat-seller.

Eager to keep up appearances-though most of the crowd was certain that here was no hero-the very idea was risible-the self-styled Exorcist, Boromir88, advanced to "cleanse the goody-goody spirit."

"In Nomine Melkoris, et Sauronis, et Thuringwethilus Sancti..." he intoned.

"That's enough. Let's eat," interrupted the Big Bad Wolf himself, the Saucepan Man. And in a flurry of fur and vast, razor-sharp claws, the Wolf Pack pounced on its chosen victim.

A sudden, unusually vehement roar beneath them made them momentarily pause.

But it was only the butcher's last, vain defiance. In a second Rune had torn open his gorget and mormegil had sunk his fangs into a hindquarter. The wolves feasted for three hours, till only thin scraps of stringy flesh were left. These Nonnacedak took; thankful that the same fate had not befallen him.

And though the Heroes remained hidden, the plundering of the Tower's butchery proved some compensation. As the sun rose, they repaired to their lairs contented, wiping the gore from their whiskers.


Dead

Anguirel (Werewolf)-throat cut as he slept on Day 1
Glirdan (Werewolf)-devoured on Night 1


Living

Saucepan Man-Big Bad Wolf
Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
Rune-Wolf-in-Shepherd's-Clothing
Formendacil-Lobo
Farael-Werewolf In Denial
Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Tails
Kitanna-Beta Wolf
Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
Kath-Runt of the Litter
Mithalwen-Alpha Female
Meneltarmacil-Lone Wolf
Wayne-Fairy Hunter
Nonnacedak-Scavenger

It is now Day 2. Night will recommence at 2:00 pm GMT tomorrow. I need names from Sauron, Draugluin, Carcharoth, and of course the Heroes. Please also send your choices to Cailin for her information. She has a rather esoteric accent on her name so you may be better off clicking than typing it. Sweet dreams filled with Elven corpses to you all...

[Anguirel]

The moon that greeted the wolves of Tol-in-Gaurhoth as they loped from their squalid quarters and started to howl was larger and brighter than ever.

"A good omen," Boromir88 pronounced, his yellow lupine eyes reflecting the pale, sickly light of Tilion.

"Perhaps the Lord Sauron has driven the Elf-scum away during the foul hours of accursed sunlight," Lhuna suggested. "Perhaps all of us wolves remain to revenge Anguirel by mercilessly preying on nearby villages."

"Perhaps not," the harsh growl of Gil-Gurth responded. "Look over here."

Another wolvish corpse provoked a fresh bout of howling and moaning. It was lost on none of the werewolves that the Heroes had once again struck at the Isle's largest and strongest hounds; for the Big Bad Wolf, the Saucepan Man, lay in a contorted position on the rocky ground. He had evidently fought hard despite being taken sleeping; this time there was no mere sly dagger slash, but a whole array of deep wounds. Farael, who remembered most of Mannish customs still, identified the strokes.

"They got him with a broadsword here...and this is clearly an axe-stroke...and he's been shot in the eye, though the arrow has been torn out..."

But the wolf-in-denial lurched back as the prone but massive wolf stirred. He was still alive, and he began to emit many strangled gurglings. Cautious of sudden death-throes, the other wolves edged back.

Then the Saucepan Man did something which amazed and disgusted them all. He choked out a phrase...in Elvish!

"Aure entuluva!"

Thus died Huan, faithful hound of Orome and Celegorm, implacable enemy to all wolves, wrongfully slain by his own allies. And, though initially daunted, the wolves soon began to rejoice, in their own despicable fashion, as they maimed their foe's carcass.


Dead

Anguirel (Werewolf)-throat cut as he slept on Day 1
Glirdan (Werewolf)-devoured on Night 1
The Saucepan Man (Huan)-murdered by mischance on Day 2


Living

Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
Rune-Wolf-in-Shepherd's-Clothing
Formendacil-Lobo
Farael-Werewolf In Denial
Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Tails
Kitanna-Beta Wolf
Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
Kath-Runt of the Litter
Mithalwen-Alpha Female
Meneltarmacil-Lone Wolf
Wayne-Fairy Hunter
Nonnacedak-Scavenger

Night 2 has now begun. Growl your way to a second devouree, wolves.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

My, my, that distinctly Valinorean-flesh tasted soooooo sweet! :D

A good start, wolves. Glirdan is gone but at least he wasn't special in any way (meaning no offence to the dead, mind you). And we have even been aided by the death of an enemy. Things are going well. Let us now capitalize on this opportunity.

We have to ask ourselves: Why was The Saucepan Man slain by the Elves? There are two tempting answers. Either because his intelligence would have been a huge loss to the island (at least it would have been if he was on our side) or because the Elves suspected that he was gifted.

I am inclined to think the latter because, despite his intelligence, The Saucepan Man seemed all set to be locked in a war of attrition with Mithalwen today.

Trouble is, I can't make head nor tail of what gift he apparently showed. If he was a potential Seer (as Lord Sauron) then he didn't make clear his First Day dream, something which he should definitely have done being such a natural target for the Elves.

So.....very strange kill; but we should be delighted with it all the same. :D

How do the rest of you read this riddle?

[mormegil]

Nice kill Elves! This hound tasted great and his carcass was very large and meaty. There couldn't be a better kill for us wolves than that nasty Hound, Huan!

I find it interesting that so many voted Nonnacedak when I didn't really think his reaction to Menel was anything but knee-jerk. Also telling is that Huan voted him so obviously that fiend didn't think him to be an Elf ally. So if Nonnacedak is innocent then I feel that we should look at Spawn, Boromir, and Kitanna very closely. Also if you want to talk about "safe" votes then Eomer's is rather interesting. He gave no real reason to vote for me other than I seem sneaky. A sneaky person isn't nearly as vocal and loud as I. It seems more that this 'warg' has an inferiority complex and envies us wolves or worse wants to kill us.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I thought I made it painfully clear, Mormegil, that I had no idea what to do toward the end of that Night. If I had abstained from voting, it would have been suspicious. If I had voted for Glirdan or Nonna, it would have been suspicious. If I had voted for anyone else it would have been suspicious.

If it makes you feel any better I don't really suspect you at the moment. But then, I don't really suspect anyone. Tonight's discussion will give us a better idea.

(As for use of the word 'sneaky', I didn't put a whole lot of thought into that. Let me change that to 'obnoxious'. :p ;) )

[Oddwen]

Mmm, traitor's flesh! Thanks to the elves for the wonderful breakfast!

What a lucky break for us, y'alls. Now, as to cause of death, should we look at the obvious, being:

Mithalwen, the only vote for SPW?

Eomer, Kitanna, Oddwen and Kath, for being mentioned as candidates for devouring?

Gil-Gurth, for having a few words with SPW?

Nonna, being as SPW voted for him?

Or another person altogether, maybe.

Oh, and P.S.,

Huan: Rune or Glirdan

73% sure
You wuz wroooong, señor cara resacas!

[Kath]

How do the rest of you read this riddle?
My view on it is that the Elves thought old Sauce would likely be more threat to them alive than dead. He's long had a reputation for cleverness. I don't know that there were any clues in what he said as to him being a Gifted. In fact the only thing I would see as pointing that way is that he was a bit quiet, unusual for him.

Mithalwen voted for SPW - because of their feud dictated by roles? Mith can't have known who he was whether she be wolf or Hero so here there isn't much chance of a bluff I think.

Sauce voted for Nonna - but again he cannot have known anything for certain.

So looking at those surrounding Sauce is useless. He was a traitor yes but not one that knew anything that could help us catch the Heroes. I feel that we might get bogged down in trying to decipher the reasoning behind things Sauce said and did when however much we analyse him it won't tell us anything helpful. I would be wary of those who encourage that course of action. mormegil for example uses this reasoning:
Also telling is that Huan voted him so obviously that fiend didn't think him to be an Elf ally.
To make a case for Nonna's innocence. NO! It tells us nothing except that a person with no more knowledge than the rest of us (excluding the Heroes) found him/her(?) suspicious.

Now I have this right yes? Huan would not have known who the Elves were? So long as I have that bit of information right then everything I said above holds true and I'm not too keen on morm. If on the other hand I'm wrong, ignore it all!

[mormegil]

Kath, you miss my point, it figures you lousy runt! What I meant is that Huan (SpM) wouldn't vote for somebody that he actually found suspicious of being an Elf. Therefore we can assume that 1 of the 4 votes at least didn't find him suspicious and that it's probable that at least one of the other 3 who votes for Nonna didn't find him and are dirty Elves. I've got an eye on all three

Boromir
Spawn
Kitanna

Though Eomer is still on as well as all others but you Kath have risen in the ranks to a close watch as well.

[Kath]

What I meant is that Huan (SpM) wouldn't vote for somebody that he actually found suspicious of being an Elf.
Why not? Nonna had already received some votes as I recall so had Sauce not been killed by the Elves he wouldn't have been suspected at all for his votes.

[mormegil]

Why not? Nonna had already received some votes as I recall so had Sauce not been killed by the Elves he wouldn't have been suspected at all for his votes.

I'm really confused. Why would SpM vote for somebody he thought could be an Elf that had a good chance of dying?

[Kath]

Oh let me think! He votes for Nonna who then turns out to be an Elf. He is then cheered for getting one of the enemy and it is very likely that he will be exempt from suspicion for at least a Night, giving him a bit of leeway.

[Nonnacedak]

Har Har the Huan is dead and I rather enjoyed the chucks of his head!

I would go on the defensive here usually because it seems I was the second most popular (or unpopular) wolf on the first night of voting. I don't really feel like I necessarily need to however because I simply voted for someone who was actually second (not first) to randomly accuse me. Also the only reason for those beginning accusations was because I enjoy a delightful fleshrot. A solid and founded reason?

I say nay.

Could their foolish prejudice spark thoughts of revenge and contempt?

I say yea.

[Kitanna]

Morm, you're quick to jump on those of us who voted for Nonna because SpM voted in this group, but what about those who went after Glirdan and caused his death?
Formendacil
mormegil
Wayne
Menel
Oddwen
Farael
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the whole list of those who voted for Glirdan.

It's probable one hero is hiding in the Nonna list and one is hiding in this list.

[mormegil]

Morm, you're quick to jump on those of us who voted for Nonna because SpM voted in this group, but what about those who went after Glirdan and caused his death?
Formendacil
mormegil
Wayne
Menel
Oddwen
Farael
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the whole list of those who voted for Glirdan.

It's probable one hero is hiding in the Nonna list and one is hiding in this list.

Undoubtedly there could be a hero amongst them, but the difference, in my eyes, is that Glirdan looked highly suspicious and seemed overly anxious to agree with everyone's ideas. I will spend my time looking at those I've mentioned earlier and by getting one Elf in that mix I think we can find hints towards others. Plus the list of those who voted Nonna is much smaller. If, however unlikely, Nonna is innocent then most likely that list of mine is moot. Now Kitanna, who are you to question me? You are no Mithalwen and haven't earned your stripes and you're nothing better than orc food! :p

[Formendacil]

Morm, you're quick to jump on those of us who voted for Nonna because SpM voted in this group, but what about those who went after Glirdan and caused his death?
Formendacil
mormegil
Wayne
Menel
Oddwen
Farael
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the whole list of those who voted for Glirdan.

It's probable one hero is hiding in the Nonna list and one is hiding in this list.

A hero among us?

That little list there, Kitanna, is half the island, almost.

I must say, when I said I was voting for Glirdan to stir things up, I really wasn't expecting such a bandwaggon to hitch itself behind me. Still, I certainly got an interesting thing going, with plenty of information to analyze.

SPM's death, though a bit of an odd one from my point of view, is quite a logical one for the Heroes to have made. Since they knew that SPM wasn't one of their own, it was quite logical that they would have wanted to kill off one of the most intelligent wolves, and -more importantly- it was a move that any Wolf with half a set of smarts would do- and with yesterday's contorted voting record, we really have no way of guessing who it could be.

In my opinion, we are really in a situation as bad as last Night- more random voting on little or no evidence, with only the future's hindsight to clarify our actions.

[Gurthang]

Well, that was a good Day that just ended, if a Day can ever be called good. Death was rampant and seemingly brutal... Huan has been murdered by his own mates... Saucepan isn't around to be automatically suspected in a few days... yes, not bad in my eyes.

I'm not sure that you all are looking at this from the right angle. You, mormegil, say that there is probably an elf in those who voted for Nonnacedak, and you, Kitanna, say there is one in the votes for Glirdan. Well, right you both may be! The odds favor Kitanna, true, but a wolf is probably in both groups, and I don't think that knowing that will really help us.

I would like to put forth a note that morm gives us a list for the opposite of his own vote. Trying to revert suspicion? Kitanna also does the same thing with her list. And for another thing, each has the other list-giver on his/her own list. I find that to be a strange coincidence.

You wuz wroooong, señor cara resacas!
Quite. And for once I am glad. Had I been correct, then we would have lost a great wolf, and Huan would still be among us. As it is we lost only a traitor and Huan is dead.


Now, since you all seem in the list mood, I'll put forth a few, some repeated, though.

Glirdan voters:
Formendacil
mormegil
Wayne
Menel
Oddwen
Farael

Nonnacedak voters:
Boromir
Spawn
Kitanna
Saucepan Man

Other voters:
Mithalwen (Saucepan)
Nonnacedak (Meneltarmacil)
Gurthang (Rune)
Lhuna (Wayne)
Rune (Wayne)
Eomer (mormegil)
Kath (none)
Glirdan (none)

I'm going to say that there is a hero in each group. So my current "primary" suspects are mormegil and Kitanna (reasons above) and Kath for not voting. Note that these are very flimsy reasons, and shall be assuaged with a proper response.

[Boromir88]

Another interesting combination would be mormegil, Eomer and Nonnacedak.~Spawn Post 66
Something that's also come to my mind. Rather interesting I see. As mormegil has been rather defensive of Nonnacedak, why would a Hero be so blatantly defensive of another? Probably a bold bluff. But another thing that gets my attention is the hypocrisy of mormegil:
And nasty elves are quick to accuse!~post 24
So you call yourslf a nasty elf then mormegil? If I recall the very first post of the game was by you:
Warg?!?! Warg indeed more like a nasty elf. Notice that he's not from these parts and comes to us from afar. I think we best devour Eomer and be done with his pathetic life.
He sets up this quick little feud with Eomer, Eomer is more than happy to join in. I suspect Nonnacedak, he defends Nonnacedak and for some unexplained reason I'm at the top of his list? Seems like you want me dead for some reason morm? And the only person I could think of who would want me dead would be those stupid heroes.

It was quite a blessing Sauce was destroyed. I wish he wasn't our Huan as his intellegence and Leadership will be missed, but if he's going to do nothing but stir help for the Heros, it truly is a blessing that he's dead.

Anyway topping my list is:

Nonnacedak, followed by morm, then Eomer.

[Mithalwen]

Hello darlings! Well that was an unexpected piece of good fortune.

I haven't had time to go over with a fine toothcomb all that has passed since I was last here but I would like to clarify my reasons for voting for SpM and my take on his death.

I had to vote early or probably not at all. Not everyone had spoken and while I had my suspicions which I think I stated clearly, I did not have enough certainty to make a full blooded attack at that point. Being uncertain of nailing a hero, I felt it was important not to risk a double lynching of true wolves so early. Day one can be quite random and a few number of votes could clinch things.

Glirdan was behaving suspiciously but I felt there was a fair chance he was hapless not heroic. I notice that he didn't really understand my final post which might have been a further clue. Morm well ...... I so nearly voted for him but my instinct told me there was something not right with the Saucepan Man. I felt a little guilty, before the truth came out when I read the later comments, because indeed it was a little unfair to highlight him not being around much when my own attendance was (and will be if I survive) sporadic. However that was the least of my worries. The main concerns was the highly uncharacteristic slips and inconsistencies - if the elf thing was unimportant why question one and not the other? It didn't feel right. However I was not sure at all - it had not occurred to me that he was Huan and now it makes more sense.

But given the uncertainty and earliness , I also thought it wise to vote for the person who had attracted least suspicion from others among my suspects ... if further evidence proved me right; well great .. if not I would be less likely to start a bandwagon based on a hunch.

Well that makes sense to me.

As for SpM's death. I think that the elves did not think he was Huan either. They knew both of us were not of their number and decided that they might rid themselves of 2 of the big beasts in one go - ie it was a clumsy attempt to frame me. Had he proved to be a true wolf this might have been a very difficult day for me to survive. That is how I read it - but of course I know I am a wolf.

Right now to have a closer look at what has been going on. We are in a slightly better position tonight because we have lost the traitor. That reduces confusion. The Lord Sauron has had another day to gather information. Glirdan's death was unfortunate but we might have been in a much worse state.

[Boromir88]

Posting again just to add some more:

morm, it seems like you misunderstand what Kath is saying. Just because Sauce didn't think Nonna was a hero, doesn't mean he isn't a hero. The Cobbler doesn't have inside knowledge like the Seer. Perhaps Sauce didn't think Nonna was a Hero, but doesn't mean he isn't one. Or Perhaps Sauce just didn't think Nonna would be lynched, which he wasn't.

[mormegil]

I would like to do a chronological list as it may shed light on our situation.

Formendacil votes Glirdan (Glirdan 1)
Mithalwen votes SpM (Glirdan 1, SpM 1)
Nonnacedak votes Meneltarmacil (Glirdan 1, SpM 1, Menel 1)
Mormegil votes Glirdan (Glirdan 2, Spm 1 Menel 1)
Wayne votes Glirdan (Glirdan 3, SpM 1, Menel 1)
Meneltarmacil votes Glirdan (Glirdan 4, SpM 1 Menel 1)
Gurthang votes Rune (Glirdan 4, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1)
Oddwen votes Glirdan (Glirdan 5, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1)
Kitanna votes Nonnacedak (Glirdan 5, Nonna 1, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1)
Farael votes Glirdan (Glirdan 6, Nonna 1, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1)
Lhunadarwen votes Wayne (Glirdan 6, Nonna 1, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1, Wayne 1)
Rune votes Wayne (Glirdan 6, Nonna 1, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1, Wayne 2)
SpM votes Nonnacedak (Glirdan 6, Nonna 2, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1, Wayne 2)
Spawn votes Nonnacedak (Glirdan 6, Nonna 3, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1, Wayne 2)
Boromir votes Nonnacedak (Glirdan 6, Nonna 4, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1, Wayne 2)
Eomer votes Mormegil (Glirdan 6, Nonna 4, SpM 1, Menel 1, Rune 1, Wayne 2, Mormegil 1)

My earlier accusations were before much analysis and this can shed some light on things.

Menel's vote which was 3rd for Glirdan could be an attempt to give a lead to somebody else and saving himself, but he did voice some suspicion of him early on.

Gurthang's vote for Rune raises an eyebrow and really doesn't give a good explination at all here (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=435165&postcount=59). If you don't have anything wrong with bandwagoning why not join? Instead he goes for a safe vote of Rune, whom nobody suspected so there is little chance of him being devoured that night.

Oddwen and Farael essentially lock up Glirdan's death but since I found him odd and suspicious I can understand their vote.

I do find the block of three votes for Nonna odd from SpM Spawn and Boromir.

Also Eomer's vote for me was interesting.

[Boromir88]

I do find the block of three votes for Nonna odd from SpM Spawn and Boromir.
Funny that you think that but don't find these 3 block votes for Glirdan (who is now a proven wolf) "odd":
Mormegil votes Glirdan (Glirdan 2, Spm 1 Menel 1)
Wayne votes Glirdan (Glirdan 3, SpM 1, Menel 1)
Meneltarmacil votes Glirdan (Glirdan 4, SpM 1 Menel 1)
It's highly unlikely that all three of you are the heroes, but certainly I would put my life on it and say one of you are.

[mormegil]

Notice Mr. Exorcist, whatever good you have done, I did mention Menel as suspicious. I don't find Wayne suspicious due to his vote mainly because he's Wayne and not a lot of analysis goes on in that head there. So Menel was an odd vote and I noted it.

Menel's vote which was 3rd for Glirdan could be an attempt to give a lead to somebody else and saving himself, but he did voice some suspicion of him early on.

and I don't note myself well because you nitwit I'm a wolf and I know it!

Now on to you.

for some unexplained reason I'm at the top of his list? Seems like you want me dead for some reason morm?

I believe I gave my reasons earlier and if I wanted you dead you would be you foul smelling puke guts.

[Kath]

Does anyone else find a little odd that morm seems to have dropped the whole 'Nonna is practically a proven innocent' idea without so much as a word?

Changed your mind morm, or worried you might have let too much slip there?

[Meneltarmacil]

I remain slightly suspicious of Boromir88 for his suggestion of going after Farael for no good reason. His jumping on a recently-started Nonnacedak bandwagon makes him a possible Hero, as I will explain below.

In terms of voting patterns I figure that if the Heroes split their votes three ways to hide suspicion, then they will most likely have one for Glirdan, one for Nonna, and one for somebody else. That somebody else, in my opinion, is probably Wayne, as there is a good reason that can usually be cited for voting for Wayne, that being his silence. Also, it is not very likely that a Hero would start a new bandwagon the first Night, as such a person would automatically be suspected of attempting to kill off an innocent (unless a double-bluff was being employed). The same may go for someone casting a "critical vote" that breaks a tie, though this may actually mean that the "critical voter" is actually a Hero trying to save one of his/her own.

If this is the case, then:
Hero #1 who voted for Glirdan would be:
mormegil (a critical vote, which put him ahead of Saucepan and myself)
WaynetheGoblin
Meneltarmacil (I'm an Ordinary Wolf, though, and I seem to recall I cross-posted with Wayne there.)
Oddwen
Farael

Hero #2 who voted for Nonnacedak would be:
dancing spawn of ungoliant
Boromir88

Hero #3 could be anyone who didn't vote for either. If this is indeed the case, I'd suggest Rune. He very well could have gotten away with suspecting Wayne, as there is, as previously mentioned, the "let's-get-Wayne-because-he's-too-quiet" line of reasoning. Since the Nonna bandwagon wasn't rolling yet, Rune may have been attempting to start a Wayne bandwagon off of Lhuna's original vote for him.

Boromir88, due to what I think may have been repeated attempts at urging a vote for Farael from people and then finally voting, strangely, for someone else, is likely to be Hero #2.

Hero#1 could be one of many people, and is tough to call. It should also be noted that a different voting pattern could have been organized, and two HEroes may have voted for one person.

Rune and Boromir88 are my primary suspects.

Oh, and due to the length of time spent writing, there's probably some crossposting in this post.

[Farael]

It is hard to say, my hairy friends, who among us is a liar and a bloody elf. Last night I called Boromir Huan yet Saucepanman ended up being him. Even worse, I voted for our butcher and he was just an innocent (albeit quite dumb) wolf. I must admit his flesh was rather tasty, specially when compared with that orc meat he would give us, but that devouring should have waited until the elves are all gone.

For the time being, I shall forgive Boromir and his discriminating act against me for not being a werewolf. I wonder what he thinks of our warg friend over there, but I hope he shall understand that I'm a man and not an elf. And that I hate elves just as much as he does, murderers of their own friends as we have seen tonight.

Gurthang says that there ought to be a wolf in the three groups of people he divides us on. Those of us who voted Glirdan, those who voted Nonnacedak and those who voted anyone else. Well, I must say I disagree. Glirdan was acting VERY suspiciously so I would believe that the wolves, knowing he was not one of them, would want him alive. I don't think Nonnacedak did anything wrong but having odd eating habbits yet she was the runner up on the voting. Four people voted for her and I risk to say that two of those are wolves. We know who Huan was and so that leaves two out of three.

My fanged friends, we cannot go wrong! I say we pick one of those three before this night is over and we shal rid ourselves of one of those heroes!! let's teach them who rules this town while the moon is on the skies.

[Farael]

cross posted with Meneltarmacil

He brings up an interesting idea, but I stick by mine... I still think we have two heroes on one bandwagon.

[Boromir88]

Interesting that you leave out Kitanna, Menel, who also voted for Nonna. Though this could just be a mix up, but you did forget our lady runt.

Boromir88, due to what I think may have been repeated attempts at urging a vote for Farael from people and then finally voting, strangely, for someone else, is likely to be Hero #2.
I didn't make any attempts at voting for Farael, or trying to garner support against Farael. I merely suggested to our wolf-in-denial that if she doesn't wish to be a wolf anymore I would be more than happy to make it so.

Actually Menel, I wonder why you find my vote strange. Post 44 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=435095&postcount=44) I, myself bring up the first accusations (serious accusations that is) against Nonna, and post 51 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=435142&postcount=51) , hours before my vote, (and hours before Kitanna's first vote against Nonna) I said I would probably be voting for Nonnacedak. What's so strange about my vote?

I must say Meneltarmacil your reasons against me our flawed and weak. Though you already know this, but you are free to vote for who you wish, and even if I do get eaten hopefully my death will be a benefit to the village.

[Boromir88]

Crossposting with Farael.

For the time being, I shall forgive Boromir and his discriminating act against me for not being a werewolf. I wonder what he thinks of our warg friend over there, but I hope he shall understand that I'm a man and not an elf. And that I hate elves just as much as he does, murderers of their own friends as we have seen tonight.
For now I forgive you, as I have no reason to think you a hero, even if you are in denial, hopefully if we survive this will you be chance let me show you the light and see the error of your ways? :p

[Farael]

Error of my ways? that we'll see.... and by the way, if you have not noticed for my facial hair, I'm a HE not a SHE

[Mithalwen]

I have just realised how I confused poor little Glirdan. I said I suspected Morm for voting first when I meant to say posting first.

I am not much clearer now on my suspects. I still suspect Mormegil though he has backed off from snarling at me. This could be because he is a true wolf who has realised the error of his ways and truly feels that I have earned my stripes or it could be because I have earned my stripes it would be it would be stupid to attack me.......

Yesterday I felt Eomer was a wolf despite being a warg... but if Mormegil were a hero their exchanges might be a clever bluff to ensure one of them survived a while.

Wayne ...... oh so random that one doesn't know what to think. I want to kill a hero but he has contributed little but confusion so far.

Kath I am inclined to think is a true wolf becasue of her eminently sensible comments. The non-vote is a concern but not sufficiently so to change my mind just now.

Oddwen - her posts have made me laugh but I must try and look past them just in case she is cleverly flying under radar..

Feel uncertain about Gurth, Formen and Boromir - maybe irrationally, just because I have observed their cunning in other skirmishes and .... well I don't know I just keep changing my mind.

I have not yet been able quite to fathom why Nonna attracted so many votes... will have another look.

I won't be able to stay much longer now but I will be able to vote tomorrow - I really don't know at this stage.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Boromir, I should point out that the whole 'Warg' debate goes back before any activity on this here island. I think it's only fair to point that out. ;)

Mormegil is getting in quite a tangle and he seems set on making as many enemies as possible. Another Glirdan, perhaps?

Mithalwen, I doubt the killing of SpM was an attempt to frame you (though one does tend to place oneself at the centre of the policies of others). Had SpM survived to this, I imagine the two of you 'loudmouths' would have torn each other apart. It would have been delightful for the Elves. Why would they go and ruin that scenario? As things stand I feel that you, the Alpha Female, stand at the top of the village. Let's face it: everyone wants to trust you. You are big and important and — most importantly — rational and clear. Unlike some others hanging around this island. Like I say, I want to trust you...

Want to know who I suspect? Kitanna. An experienced 'wolf' who knows that keeping quiet is the smart thing to do. That also goes for Kath and dancing spawn who have been only slightly more vocal.

[mormegil]

Does anyone else find a little odd that morm seems to have dropped the whole 'Nonna is practically a proven innocent' idea without so much as a word?

Changed your mind morm, or worried you might have let too much slip there?

A bit pedandic are we? Merely because I didn't mention him in my last post she jumps on me. However in the penultimate (not counting this post) I mentioned him here

I do find the block of three votes for Nonna odd from SpM Spawn and Boromir.

And yes I do think Nonna is innocent, so what? I find those who voted for him as suspicious. There are others I think innocent yet didn't get votes so I haven't brought it up. I find it interesting that you can't seem to drop the idea. So although I give this response to you I have little hope of you changing that obtuse mind of yours.

[mormegil]

I still suspect Mormegil though he has backed off from snarling at me. This could be because he is a true wolf who has realised the error of his ways and truly feels that I have earned my stripes or it could be because I have earned my stripes it would be it would be stupid to attack me.......

Remember that you are Alpha and my comment was to Kitanna the beta wolf.

OOC: Please remember that none of what I say is meant to be truly offensive to anybody ;)

[Mithalwen]

Funnily enough I want to trust you too..... Eomer. Unfortunately while I know you can trust me ......

I did not intend a vendetta against SpM. I respect his intelligence greatly. I think he is without doubt one of the cleverest people I have ever encountered. I only suspected him because he wasn't up to par. As has been pointed out, Huan on night one knows nothing more than the wolves. I think that is why he was inconsistent because he didn't know who he was helping. That is why it makes more sense knwing he was Huan. If he had been a hero and knew who was who I think he would have been more polished. Anyway this is a digression. Fact is whether by luck or judgement my vote was a good one.

I can be rational and I can be very instinctive. Sometimes I don't know which way to go.....and that is my problem tonight.

[Meneltarmacil]

Sorry, Boromir. I forgot you made those posts.

Anyhow, it is still likely that a Hero is in the list of those who voted for Nonnacedak. If the plan indeed was for the Heroes to split their votes, then Nonna would indeed be a good target for those who didn't vote for the biggest bandwagon around. Suspicion of Nonna had been voiced by many, and one vote would likely bring others. Consdier this: The plan would have been for two of the Heroes to join a bandwagon, or if a second bandwagon arose, to have each one join a separate bandwagon. The other would vote for Wayne, the silent one, in an attempt to have the vote split yet be able to give a good reason for it. And I do find it interesting that after suspicion of Nonna had been voiced by many and a vote already placed, our good Saucepan Huan votes for Nonna as well, creating another bandwagon for Heroes to hide in.

Boromir88, you may have accounted for yourself thus far, but if a Hero is hiding in that bandwagon, you still may be it. Kitanna was the first to openly vote for Nonna, something that it is wise for a Hero to avoid. I am not going to let her out of my sight, though, as a Hero can always double-bluff. Saucepan is dead and was not a Hero, and I feel, as before, that he was trying to get a bandwagon rolling. Spawn and Boromir88 are the best candidates for Hero #2. Trying to decide between them is difficult.

dancing spawn of ungoliant:
--Was somewhat quiet. Possibly trying to stay under the radar.
--Voted after Kitanna, but also after Rune cast the second vote for Wayne. Cross-posted with Saucepan, so she wouldn't have known that a second bandwagon was opening.
--Did not voice much suspicion of Nonna until the post right before she voted.

Boromir88:
--Louder than spawn
--First says "Kill Kath." Then he is in favor of killing either Nonna or Farael.
--Votes for Nonnacedak after 3 votes have sufficiently established Bandwagon #2. Would have voted according to plan.

If I'm right in that the Heroes split their votes, Boromir88 may well be Hero #2. Though Kitanna and spawn may also bear watching, particularly spawn.

Nevertheless, Rune son of Bjarne is probably getting my vote this time.

Edit: Some cross-posting, plus I put too much in bold.

[Mithalwen]

Remember that you are Alpha and my comment was to Kitanna the beta wolf.

OOC: Please remember that none of what I say is meant to be truly offensive to anybody ;)

Ah but yesterday you were threatened me about learning my place when I questioned you and I was pleasantly surprised to survive the night....... so my fears are hardly allayed

[Boromir88]

And yes I do think Nonna is innocent, so what?~mormegil
Well depends on how you would define innocent. Do you mean innocent as in he's an innocent wolf, or innocent as in he's an innocent elf-buddy of yours? :D

Want to know who I suspect? Kitanna. An experienced 'wolf' who knows that keeping quiet is the smart thing to do. That also goes for Kath and dancing spawn who have been only slightly more vocal.~Eomer
I happen to agree with this, of all the nonsense Menel spews I do happen to agree with him that it's reasonable to assume a hero may be amongst those who voted for Nonna (whether Nonna is innocent or not). My reason for saying tha that Menel was wrong, is because he makes it seem as if my vote for Nonna was a bandwagon. When I point out the first suspicions against him, and make it pretty clear than unless someone admits they are a hero I'll be voting for Nonna (all of which were long before Kitanna's first vote for him). So, if anyone was a bandwagoning hero against Nonna, it would be Kitanna, Sauce (though he's dead now), or Spawn.

So, I think Kitanna or Spawn are possibly heroes, but I really see yet a strong reason to suspect them. I'm interested in the group that voted for Glirdan, because mathematically there's a hero in there, and also there was a big bandwagon for him in the beginning. While I think a few of them were misled wolves who believed the rhetoric against Glirdan, I would put my life on the line and say ONE hero voted for Glirdan, and that's where I'm concentrating right now.

Mith gets me worried, as no one really is suspecting her (which always worries me), but with the Saucepan thing yesterday, I think she brought up valid points that he made uncharacteristic mistakes for being The Pan Man and something wasn't right with him. (Which happened to be the case). And for that, I think Mith to be one of the more innocent looking ones of this pack.

[Boromir88]

Oh, and my apologies to Farael for mistaking the gender...you know how it goes, male-wolves, woman-wolves look the same to me. :D But seriously though, my apologies.

[Mithalwen]

Boromir. I think your always comment is unfounded. Our shared skirmishing history is too brief to base that judgement on. The reason I am not a prime suspect is, I would have thought obvious. On night one I offered rational analysis and independent thought and I am the only person to have voted for a known "wrong un".

I cannot prove that I am a true wolf but, attempting to look objectively at the situation at this point, I think it would be peverse to suspect me particularly.

[Formendacil]

Lots of noise floating around the village, but very little that strikes me as being proof, but simply more of the same directed, if half-pointless, noise that is usually generated by Night1.

Boromir88 also seems to be innocent, playing a more or less typical game. However, after two games of playing in character all game (and being innocent) he has dropped it in this game (perhaps because of EVERYBODY's Night1 RPing). It could mean he's now the enemy, or it could mean that he's simply dropped it.

Eomer seems to be innocent. He's playing a more light-hearted, casual game than usual. Not that I REALLY know his style, but he seems to be more intense as an enemy than as an innocent.

Gurthang is playing a much more cautious game than previously, which could mean a more serious role (ie. Hero or Gifted) or it could be a lesson learned.

Lhuna, as usual, appears in an odd timezone, and is thus spared the cross-examination that the rest of us have to endure. Her game seems quite normal as well, but since her normal game is suspicious (although innocent), that really doesn't say much.

Morm seems snappier than usual- and more defensive. I'm inclined to think that this is more due to the greater number of attacks on him so early in the game, but it might mean that he's the enemy...

As regards the rest of the village, although I've played with several of them, I'm unfamiliar with their styles, so I will refrain from any comments based on those. I toss these out into the village for whatever value they may have.

[Formendacil]

Hmm... the rearranging of my post to a pedantic alphabetical order has made Boromir's entry seem a little out of place. In explanation, my thoughts on him were written as an afterthought, and then copied.

[WaynetheGoblin]

Sorry that i have been quiet i was out fairy hunting. Saucepanman got killed on day 2 he dosent get far in games any more it is weird that morm droped the subcect on nonidak like that he is higher on my list. Kath did not vote she is also high on my list. I will be back later to vote for one of them.

[Nonnacedak]

First off I want to state that I obviously agree with the theory that at least one Hero was in each of the bandwagons. Since I can only vote for one person and there were less people in my pool of accusers I shall vote for either Spawn or Boromir. Kitanna was the first person to vote for me but I think a Hero would jump in the wagon a bit later than try to start one.

Also Gurthang was actually the person to first accuse me randomly but then when it comes time to vote he does something even more random and votes for Rune. This doesn't really prove anything it just strikes me as odd.

None of this is hard evidence but its all I have to go on. Hopefully things will be even more clear by the end of the night.

[Nonnacedak]

One more thing just to clear up. I am a Male-Wolf and NOT a Female.

[Kath]

Wayne appears to be repeating the same comments as have gone by already. I think I was asked to explain my lack of voting - the reason is on the discussion thread but to reiterate I was confused about what time Night ended.

Anyhow, morm your reply wasn't half snappy! And still I don't understand your reasoning. Sauce cannot have known who anyone was so how does his vote for Nonna put him/her in the clear?

[mormegil]

Anyhow, morm your reply wasn't half snappy! And still I don't understand your reasoning. Sauce cannot have known who anyone was so how does his vote for Nonna put him/her in the clear?


Have I ever once said that Nonna is in the clear? NO! I have said that I believe him innocent and obviously SpM did too, otherwise it's not likely he would have voted for somebody he thought to be a trecherous Elf. Now what does this mean? SpM and I as well as many others found Nonna's post rather innocuous and people jumped all over it. That is what I find suspicious my dear runt, is that he accrued four votes over something I don't view as particularly suspicious. I'm not giving him a free ticket. I think Farael is most likely innocent as well as Mith among others but have I said that I know they are? NO! Now get back in your place before I chew you leg off.

Now I need a bit of rest, all this discussion has made me this old wolf a bit tired.

[Meneltarmacil]

In analyzing who Hero #1, the one riding the Glirdan bandwagon, is, I find Oddwen to be a possibility. She posts every now and then to show us that she's here, yet offers very little analysis in her posts, intead acting completely crazy and tossing out silly reasons to vote for people. She then joins a rapidly-moving bandwagon, trying to cover it up by saying "Haha, I'm bandwagoning," implying that she's not, in an attempt to throw us off.

A secondary suspect is mormegil due to the fact that he put Glirdan in the lead by casting a second vote. However, since the competition consisted of an Ordinary Wolf (yours truly) and HuanPan Man, whose identity definitely was not known by the Heroes at the time (otherwise they wouldn't have killed him), this doesn't say much.

Farael is yet another possibility, as he has been quite silent and offers little.
As for Wayne, same thing though my theory presumes that he is innocent. However, he may not be

I can probably eliminate morm for reasons stated above. Farael and Wayne are pretty much unknowns. Oddwen, however, could certainly offer more than she has thus far. I will keep a close eye on her from now on, as she has become my primary suspect for Hero#1.

To sum up my findings:
Hero#1: Oddwen
Hero#2: Boromir88, or possibly dancing spawn of ungoliant
Hero#3: Rune son of Bjarne

EDIT: Changed "eaten" to "killed," cross-posted with morm

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Huan is gone that is great. I must say that I am not suprissed it was saucepan, I allways thought he smelled of wet dog. . .

Hero #3 could be anyone who didn't vote for either. If this is indeed the case, I'd suggest Rune. He very well could have gotten away with suspecting Wayne, as there is, as previously mentioned, the "let's-get-Wayne-because-he's-too-quiet" line of reasoning. Since the Nonna bandwagon wasn't rolling yet, Rune may have been attempting to start a Wayne bandwagon off of Lhuna's original vote for him.

Good theory Menel and of course I can not prove that this was not my entention, but I will try explain anyway.

Why I votet Wayne:

I did not think he was Heroe or Huan and I was right. He made some slips, but that is what happens when you try to find Heroes. Sometimes you have to put your own throat on the line in and then you make mistakes.

You are right I did found it a safe vote, I did so for several reasons. If wayne turned out to be a wolf it would be no great loss, It was not so much because of the non talking part I votet for him more that he is unpredictable.

So why did I not vote for my other suspects? I wantet too see what they are all about, I allready knew what kind of wold wayne was the young one i do not.

I never thought about if it would start a bandwagoning, but I certenly did not want to jump on one so early on.

Enough about me, I will return soon with my thoughts on you beasts.

[Gurthang]

Well, I can see we have some misconceptions about bandwagons. I am going to try to sort it out a little, since some, namely Menel, are basing a few suspicions wholly on bandwagons.

First of all, the first person to vote for someone is not the starter of the bandwagon. If that is the case, then everyone who voted for someone new was a bandwagon starter, and there are quite a few of us. I would not even call something a bandwagon unless it had at least three votes. Therefore, I would say that the bandwagon starter would be second or, more likely, third to vote for someone.

And Farael has disregarded everyone who voted for Glirdan because he was suspicious and the heros would have left him. I don't think so, if he looked gone, they might as well jump on the wagon and vote for him. And especially the first few would not know he would get all of the votes he did, so they could have very well been a wolf hoping to vote for that suspicious person. I'd also point out that a vote for someone suspicious like Glirdan is a very safe vote for a hero, in that it doesn't make them look guilty when he's proven innocent. Keeping these things in mind, you, Farael, are looking suspicious.

Yet at the same time you are talking sense. I agree that there is likely a hero in those who voted for Nonnacedak, so it would make sense to pick one out of there. That does not mean I intend to get all of them killed! There is a good chance that there is an elf in that pack, but I'm not sure I want to kill all of them to find out.

Or on second thought, maybe we should just kill all three to make sure. After all Death is part of my name! :D

Anywho, mormegil, Kitanna, and Kath have ignored my earlier post. They remain on the list, though Kitanna is probably slightly higher due to Farael's idea. Although, Farael also posted a list that just happened to be the opposite of his own vote. Therefore, by all fairness, he is suspicious for that just like morm and Kitanna are. Added to the reasoning above (third paragraph) he is just behind Kitanna.

[Boromir88]

First off I want to state that I obviously agree with the theory that at least one Hero was in each of the bandwagons. Since I can only vote for one person and there were less people in my pool of accusers I shall vote for either Spawn or Boromir. Kitanna was the first person to vote for me but I think a Hero would jump in the wagon a bit later than try to start one.
I think this is reasonable as I've already stated, but right now I'm focusing on One hero, in my thinking we need one hero at a time here. So, mathematics tell us with 3 heroes amongst 16 people someone voted for Glirdan. Also, I have a strong feeling with the bandwagoning votes someone voted for Glirdan.

My heart tells me it's reasonable to assume that someone voted for you, and if anyone would be a bandwagoning hero. However, don't try to pass off my vote for you as a bandwagon, for it was no bandwagon against you, I announced clear suspicion of you, I made it pretty clear I was going to vote for you. If anyone did any bandwagoning it would be Spawn or Kitanna.

Now apparently mormegil thinks my vote for Nonnacedak wasn't a bandwagon, and just me jumping to find an excuse to vote for him, and one that is weak at that. That also I find reasonable to assume, and I will say my "excuse" for voting for Nonnacedak wasn't very strong, but what else are we to go on Day 1? Until someone changes my mind, or a good little hero steps out and claims himself I'm still sticking with Nonnacedak as my votee.

I am very weary about mormegil. I'm actually rather split, while I have announced strong suspisions on him, I can not yet be sure of him. Though he be a crabby-"wolf" I give it to him that he's a wise and smart wolf. It would be bad for us to lose him if he truly is innocent, and see, since I am not sure on him, I can't pull the trigger, or should I say sharpen my claws and teeth? Because, if he is an innocent it would be a great loss to the pack. The reason, right now, I find it trouble to vote for him, is I just can't see a hero taking a lead and so strongly announcing and explaining his suspects. Because, knowing that he could be wrong (and in his suspiciouns against me he is wrong), this would put him in a lot of danger and under a lot of light. So, as of right now, I'm unsure of mormegil, though he be one of my stronger suspects I most likely WILL NOT vote for him today. For now, I can hold off on mormegil, until I get to view a bit of him more, and see whether he is getting us off our duty, or helping us find these heroes.

[Farael]

Well Gurthang I posted a list opposite to my own vote because... oh, right I VOTED THE WRONG WOLF. I think that Glirdan was being too favorable for the wolves for them to vote him off. Let's face it, if he had not been killed, the mighty Cacharot (whom I've heard is among us) would have chosen him as his victim, Sauron would have searched for his true role in his dreams.... that's just too convenient for the wolves, now they both know that Glirdan was not it so they must have chosen someone else. You can say I'm wrong, and I'll take that... but I'm not going to take any accusations, specially from a stinking wolf! If you had half the intelect we man have, you would know better than accuse me. Look around you, this is what the Heroes are aiming at.

Right now I have my eyes set on dancing spawn of ungoliant. There's something wrong about her.

Gurthang you should learn from Boromir and Morgmegil.... they have stopped suspecting me because I'm a man in a wolf town... or are they framing me? no, I'm being paranoid here...

[Gurthang]

Well Gurthang I posted a list opposite to my own vote because... oh, right I VOTED THE WRONG WOLF. I think that Glirdan was being too favorable for the wolves for them to vote him off. Let's face it, if he had not been killed, the mighty Cacharot (whom I've heard is among us) would have chosen him as his victim, Sauron would have searched for his true role in his dreams.... that's just too convenient for the wolves, now they both know that Glirdan was not it so they must have chosen someone else. You can say I'm wrong, and I'll take that... but I'm not going to take any accusations, specially from a stinking wolf! If you had half the intelect we man have, you would know better than accuse me. Look around you, this is what the Heroes are aiming at.

Right now I have my eyes set on dancing spawn of ungoliant. There's something wrong about her.

Gurthang you should learn from Boromir and Morgmegil.... they have stopped suspecting me because I'm a man in a wolf town... or are they framing me? no, I'm being paranoid here...

My, my, my... a bit touchy are we my little wolf-in-denial. I must say that I am pretty certain you are wrong in this and I believe at least one hero voted for Glirdan, despite his suspiciousness. In fact, I'm not so sure you aren't the hero I'm speaking of.

Kitanna has not been around for a while. My suspicion of her is not high as is, and it won't take much to persuade me otherwise. So don't be too surprised if you end up with my vote, Farael.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Farael's theory got me thinking and it seems very likely that the heroes would act in such a way. Surely they would know that joining a bandwagoning would be looked upon with scepcis and therefor chose to vote for another wolf. Unfortunatley we kind of have to bandwagons, so the only way the theory works is if the heroes votet as some of the first and therefor did not know it was going to be a bandwagon. . . If this is the case then they could just as well have been voting for Glirdan.

Conclution: either the theory fails or all of the Heroes is among us who did not vote for Glirdan or Noona.

But I think you have a point. We should not take it for grantet that the heroes would join a bandwagon. Of course you could just be a heroe trying to remove atention frome your friends. . .


EDIT: Cross postet with Gurthang

[Farael]

Everyone could be a Heroe, Rune, and that's what the three heroes among us are playing with.

Now Gurthang, you can blame me of being jumpy, but would you not be if you good willingly tried to help and got suspected upon because of that? I don't want to feud with you right now as you are not my top suspect, but if you keep acusing this innocent man I'll have to start suspecting that you know I'm innocent and you are trying to make me look guilty. But the only way you'll know that I'm innocent is if you are guilty. Are you guilty Gurthang?

Maybe I'm being a loudmouth, and maybe that's going against me, but we must get those heroes talking and confront them until they make a mistake. I ask of you, werewolves and warg, prove your innocence by talking. Make it suspicious to be silent so that the heroes are forced to talk. Sooner or later they will make a mistake and then we will catch them. They benefit from the silence of the innocents for they hide on our doubts and feuds.

[Kitanna]

Kitanna has not been around for a while.
I apologize for that. I'm not keeping quiet on purpose, I try to say something when I have the time to sit down and ponder what others have said.

I would like to put forth a note that morm gives us a list for the opposite of his own vote. Trying to revert suspicion? Kitanna also does the same thing with her list.
I noticed I was doing this after I made my post, but I still stand by it. It is more likely than not one wolf was in the Nonna list and one in the Glirdan list.

To pick a top suspect from each list I'd say morm in the list that voted for Glirdan and Spawn on the Nonna list.

Morm~ He jumped in early (which holds no real bearing) but early on he turned things onto those who voted for Nonna instead of those who voted for Glirdan. He knew eyes would turn toward those who voted for Glirdan and perhaps he was trying to hide behind the group that had the Huan as a voter.

Spawn~ Was the third to vote for Nonna. Boromir had already stated at this point he would most likely vote for Nonna. With two votes for Nonna alredy this seems like a nice place for a hero to hide in.

[Gurthang]

Now Gurthang, you can blame me of being jumpy, but would you not be if you good willingly tried to help and got suspected upon because of that?

That's not really an excuse to be jumpy, as it is what usually happens. Everyone is putting forth suspicions and guesses. Those who's suspicions don't make sense or are being willy-nilly with their accusations (or just plain hindering everything) usually get killed. Which means that some innocent wolves will get killed because they chose the wrong accusations.

But rest assured, I'm not really looking for a debate with you. My mind is pretty much made up for toNight, but that isn't sealing your fate. My vote won't even matter unless others back it up, so don't fear that I am your sole killer.

Now, another theory. Let's say that Nonnacedak is a hero. (YesterNight) Glirdan had 6 votes, Nonna had 1, and there were 8 votes left. This means that 5 out of 8 had to vote for Nonna for him to die. That looks pretty good from a hero standpoint. They can safely vote for Nonnacedak, a fellow hero, and leave a 'safety' for later. If Nonnacedak is proven a hero, his voters look (more) innocent. If one of the voters is a hero, than Nonna looks (more) innocent. This looks even more possible when Wayne gets a sudden 2 votes.

All that means that Kitanna, Spawn or Boromir could be heros and that Nonna might still be a hero if one the those three are. It would be a pretty safe and brilliant strategy for the wolves, especially with how close it ended up.

Also, if Nonnacedak would be found to be a hero, than Eomer's vote looks like an attempt to stop the bandwagon.

If, right now, I had to pick who I thought our three heros were, they'd be: Spawn, Nonna, and Farael. But I'd not bet on it.

[Meneltarmacil]

Spawn~ Was the third to vote for Nonna. Boromir had already stated at this point he would most likely vote for Nonna. With two votes for Nonna alredy this seems like a nice place for a hero to hide in.She actually cross-posted with The Saucepan Man and therefore thought she was only adding a second vote.

With each post, Farael is looking more and more suspicious. He is now looking like a Hero to me. Perhaps I was wrong in that the three Heroes voted for three different people. Maybe there was nobody in that Nonnacedak bandwagon after all.

The three heroes, to me, appear to consist of:

Rune son of Bjarne
Farael
Oddwen

Time draws late in my location, and I find it difficult to decide between Farael and Rune as to who I should vote for. Therefore, true to my nature as a Lone Wolf, I'll keep out of the majority who want to see Farael dead and vote, as I've said before, for

++Rune son of Bjarne

[mormegil]

Morm~ He jumped in early (which holds no real bearing) but early on he turned things onto those who voted for Nonna instead of those who voted for Glirdan. He knew eyes would turn toward those who voted for Glirdan and perhaps he was trying to hide behind the group that had the Huan as a voter.

A couple of things here Kitanna. I posted fairly early on that I believe that a Hero could be among the group that voted Glirdan, however I believe that one was among the three that voted Nonnacedak. Now I would like to narrow the list a bit and therefore being that I believe that one of three is a hero it makes sense to go for that group does it not?

Now to say that I am trying to hide is absurd. Being the most vocal, by far, does not allow me to hide, in fact I'm very much in the open and the problem with that is obvious, though I only be a wolf, the words I say are twisted and used against me. That is okay because it helps to know what I think about others.

Now Kitanna and Gurthang much more and it seems like they may be in cahoots. I hope to be able to look more closely into that.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

(I should already be getting to school, so this is really hurried, sorry.)

--Did not voice much suspicion of Nonna until the post right before she voted. Of course I didn't voice much suspicion of Nonna before my second post - He himself hasn't posted at that stage yet. Somehow I didn't find it very reasonable to suspect people before they have said anything (unless they stay completely silent, but you know what I mean).

I didn't have time to go properly through everything you have said thus far so I won't go into that much. I'm surprised, though, that there's so much fuss about Nonnac 'bandwagon'. As Sauce said (though we didn't know that he'd be a traitor then) it would have been a good thing to have a couple pontential devourees. If the heroes had waited till late to cast their votes, we could have seen if they are trying to save someone. Now there are so many with only one vote that it doesn't tell much. Of course, I'm not saying that there couldn't be heroes that voted for Nonnac, but don't tell me that you are so blind that you don't know why it would have been a good thing to spread votes out more evenly.

Now I'd look at wolves who are a bit too eager to conjure up theories without giving them too much thought or who are making flawed accusations...

I'll be back a few hours before the voting is closed.

[Formendacil]

So few posts...

And so few votes...

It's 10:45 pm my time, and I have my beauty sleep coming in, in the near future, so this will be it for me Tonight- so I really ought to vote.

However, the candidates up for devouring are really rather lacklustre in quality. We have no one who has been screaming "I am a Hero" to the village, either figuratively or literally. We don't even have any strong suspicions, just a load of nondescript mutterings over the innocence of Nonnacedak. He may or may not be innocent, but the question is entirely up in the air at the moment, far more so than people seem to be thinking, in my opinion.

Rightly or wrongly, there seem to be enough people voting for Nonna to get him killed without my help. Unfortunately, the rest of the village looks no more appealing.

So I'm going to cast a protest vote. This alpha female has been arguing against anyone and everyone, Morm and Eomer coming to mind especially. I don't really think her the enemy, but she deserves more scruntiny than she's been given, and we all KNOW her to be a very crafty writer. We need to keep a closer eye on this one- whether she is innocent or guilty. And so I vote,

++Mithalwen

[Lhunardawen]

I told you all Glirdan is a werewolf, just like the rest of us! But no matter...he was still good fodder.

And as for SpW...that was excellent! An excellent job for these dumb heroes, I mean. I hope they'll have this kind of luck for many days to come.

Lhuna, as usual, appears in an odd timezone, and is thus spared the cross-examination that the rest of us have to endure. Her game seems quite normal as well, but since her normal game is suspicious (although innocent), that really doesn't say much.Well, sir, begging your pardon, but nobody so far had the mind to cross-examine me toNight. I could verily answer questions directed at me once I wake up, but there's none. And that's a good thing, because I am a true werewolf. There's no reason for anyone to fear or attack me, whichever the case.

Now, I think SpW was killed just because he is a threat, whatever he is. He is witty and intelligent and a great boon to whatever village he is in, at times perhaps even when he is a villain. And I'm inclined to think that our heroes were afraid of him and so decided to kill him early on, before he can contribute anything substantial to the village.

With that said, maybe we should look more closely at those who are hardly experienced. Those who are more learnéd are likely to keep him and relish the challenge.

So far toNight, I can say that mormegil is the one shining the most under the moonlight. He has said some provocative words and sensible observations. Right now I'm inclined to think he's either Gifted or a helpful ordinary werewolf. It would be very hard for a hero to hide in the open if that's what he's trying to do, for he can very easily be devoured by us at the rate he's going.

As for Madame Mithalwen...well, she's quite tricky. The feud he had with SpW last Night seems sincere, and it doesn't seem likely that the heroes were trying to frame her. She could very well be hiding behind that feud to justify why she couldn't possibly be a hero, but I'm willing to give her time to prove her wholehearted wolvery.

Frankly it still escapes me why a Nonnacedak bandwagon was started yesterEve, but I guess I'll have to reminisce on the events. I still believe that majority of these nasty heroes voted for Glirdan. Though he seemed too suspicious to be true, the heroes must be grasping at straws to eradicate someone who they know is not among them.

I shall be looking back at the past happenings and see what I can contrive. Then, I must vote.

[Farael]

Well, it is time for me to leave you wolves for I need to brush my teeth, which takes an awful lot of time when you have fangs like mine. Still, before leaving you all I shall cast my vote and explain it.

I still believe that there are two heroes on the Nonna bandwagon so I shall vote one of them. Boromir has not been very friendly but I am not suspecting him right now. Therefore we are left with dancing spawn of ungoliant... who has not really said anything but when she did, it has been only to defend herself. I do not know about you but she is my prime suspect right now, and as I must go now I shall cast my vote

++Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant

May the Dark Lord forgive me if I'm mistaken

[Nonnacedak]

++Dancing Spawn

I said I would choose someone in my Bandwagon and I feel that this is as good a guess as any.

[Lhunardawen]

For now I shall resort to partially analyzing the voting patterns last Night, since all your talk is confusing me. Besides, it's very hard to see through talk who is a werewolf or who is not; one can be a werewolf and stay true to the nature of a werewolf, or be very helpful in concern for the village though that is quite contrary to the ways of werewolvery.

As I said before, I am inclined to believe that at least one hero voted for Glirdan just to get rid of who is to them a proven werewolf, and doing so will cast little suspicion on them due to the randomness of the first Night. If that was their hope, well I'm sorry but you're obviously mistaken (at least as far as I'm concerned).

Those who voted for Glirdan are

Formendacil
mormegil
WaynetheGoblin
Meneltarmacil
Oddwen
Farael

in that order.

Formendacil - he said that his vote was merely to elicit discussion, hoping to find something interestingly revealing. Perhaps he has succeeded. For now I shall think of him as an ordinary werewolf, but I will not forget the outcome of a certain village in history where this same thing has happened...

mormegil - he's being too noisy for his own comfort. If he be gifted, as I sense he is, he will do well to tone down a bit to avoid being devoured but not too much that the heroes will suspect him.

Wayne - confusing as always. Whatever he be, I say we get rid of him as fast as we could. The less confusion, the better.

Meneltarmacil - delightfully helpful, but this could be a guise he's hiding beneath. I feel a little uneasy about him, but that's probably just the female instinct.

Oddwen - she's flying under the radar with all those (to me) senseless posts she's making, and that's always scary. She might be having my vote toNight.

Farael - my guess is that he's just staying true to his character, but deep in his heart he's still a werewolf like the rest of us. Werewolf enough to help us locate and devour those heroes, anyway.

Well, the time draws nigh for me, so

++ODDWEN

I prefer helpful werewolves, and all that bloodthirstiness is a bit over the top.

By the way, does anyone have any ideas how we can put Sauron, Draugluin, and Carcharoth to good use? Not that I will be around to see the suggestions toNight, but I just wanted to remind you that we have them. Good Night all, and see you tomorrow Night. That is, hoping I'm still alive...

[Gurthang]

++Dancing Spawn

I said I would choose someone in my Bandwagon and I feel that this is as good a guess as any.

As good a guess? I find it rather odd that your guess happened to fall on the one of the three who already had a vote. Still, scraps aren't a meal, but the more scraps the closer to a meal they become.

It seems that the moon is bright enough these Nights for me to have shadow. But this shadow I speak of has a name. Starts with a Menel, ends with a macil, only has a tar in between; not that I'm naming names. :p It seems that we have many of the same ideas, yet his have been following mine pretty steadily. I'm not quite sure what to make of it.

I'm still leaning heavily towards Farael, but others are popping up in my mind. At least I'll have something to start with tomorrow.

[Gurthang]

Well, I went back through everything that Farael has said. Nothing has changed my mind, and a few things would even make more sense if he were a hero.

++Farael

See you all at dusk.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Well, sir, begging your pardon, but nobody so far had the mind to cross-examine me toNight. I could verily answer questions directed at me once I wake up, but there's none.

Actually Lhuna is the one wolf wich I am "sure" (You can never be sure in such a matter) is of her innocens.

1. I agree with allmost anything she says, she is just better to get the message across than I am.

2. She does not seem eager about making people follow her path, but just states what she thinks and then let people decide. (others can be very agressive tryong to convince people that they are right)

3. She refusses to jump on a bandwagon unless there is a reaseon, she is the only one actually cuestioning the one on Noona. While others has just continued as if it was the most natural thing in the world.

I know that last night I said Noona was on my list and he was, but it was based on allmost nothing. I have now allmost removed Noona frome my Suspect list, the only thing that strikes me as a little odd is the fact that he chooses one of those who votet for him. I know Noona has explained why, but it just seems a little like vengance.

Farael is the person I am most split in my oppinion about, on one hand he seems reasonable and on the other hand there is somthing sneeky abouth him.

I allso have an odd feeling about Formendacil, but I cannot say why. I will return soon with my thoughts on Formendacil and hopefully a vote.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

The thing I found a bit odd about Formendacil is that his posts has been without bite. They are kind of vauge and points in a lot of directions. This is quite normal infact my posts are just as vauge, but this is Formendacil. He is not acting like the wolf I used to know, he is keeping out of discutions, dont acusse people and does not post as much as you woul think. (All of this is by Formendacil standarts)

Therfor I took a look at his posts for tonight.



I must say, when I said I was voting for Glirdan to stir things up, I really wasn't expecting such a bandwaggon to hitch itself behind me. Still, I certainly got an interesting thing going, with plenty of information to analyze.

First he defends his vote for Glirdan by saying that it was to stir things up, this I can accept. Then he goes on to saying that it was really a good thing. . . a bit odd, but not that odd.

He allso states that there is now plenty of information to analyze, but lets see what he says latter on.

In my opinion, we are really in a situation as bad as last Night- more random voting on little or no evidence, with only the future's hindsight to clarify our actions.
Is this not a contradiction? Last Nght we had nothing to go by, but now as you say we have things to go by and yet your conclution is that nothing has changed.


SPM's death, though a bit of an odd one from my point of view, is quite a logical one for the Heroes to have made. Since they knew that SPM wasn't one of their own, it was quite logical that they would have wanted to kill off one of the most intelligent wolves, and -more importantly- it was a move that any Wolf with half a set of smarts would do- and with yesterday's contorted voting record, we really have no way of guessing who it could be.

I just dont under stand this part. You give us a long expanation to why this would have seemed like a good kill for the Heroes, but just before you tell us how odd you think it is. I don't get it!

I know I have no great case, but it is the best i could come up with.

++Formendacil

[Boromir88]

Interesting arguments, all rather intriguing. Menel does make sense in his suspicion against Rune. Saying he's preying on someone that would be an easy target. However, would you not agree that yesterday Glirdan would be an easy target for a hero?

Rune and Farael, the problems with your belief that a hero would not have bandwagoned against Glirdan are:

1) With 6 people voting for Glirdan a hero can easily hide in there.

2) The mathematical probability.

3) You may think that for a hero to bandwagon against someone would attract suspicion to them. Yes, that's probably true, but also consider there's other innocent misled wolves in there, so the hero would feel safe. Also being a specialist in the matter Heroes place strategic votes yes, but they don't care who gets eaten as long as it's not them.

So, it's quite likely a hero voted for Glirdan. Am I saying 100% sure there's a hero in there? No, but it's a big enough probability to bet my life on it.

I see some intriguing arguments but Nonnacedak has shown me nothing to suggest he's innocent. He just agrees with Morm in that we should look at myself, Spawn, and Kitanna.

++Nonnacedak

[Boromir88]

Before I go, let it note that if I am alive tomorrow I immediately suspect those going against Spawn.

I'm not saying Spawn isn't a hero, but I see no reason to think she is, and seeing as we've had prior notice she won't be around a lot today, she makes an easy target for heroes to attack and misled wolves to bandwagon. Anyway, that's all I have to say.

[WaynetheGoblin]

Im sorry I havent posted much but im exited about chrismas so I forget about the game. People that bandwagoon are high on my suspect list.
1.Faeral
2.morm
3,rune
4.nonadak
5.Menel
6.Lhuna
7.oddwen
8.formen
9.gurthang
10.kath
11.spawn
12.mith
13.kittana
14.boro
15.eomer
I cant explain my list right now I have to go to school so.
++FAERAL

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune and Farael, the problems with your belief that a hero would not have bandwagoned against Glirdan are:

If you look at my post you will find that I conclude that the Theory fails and only agree with the fact that Heroes might not join a bandwagon every time.



Wayne I would like to know why I am nr. 3 on your list. I did not jump on a bandwagon so that can be it, is it because of Menel's theory or do you have one of your own ?

[WaynetheGoblin]

i am just about to go and yes it is his theory.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I got back only now. :( I'll go reading toNight's posts before I say anything.

[Mithalwen]

So I'm going to cast a protest vote. This alpha female has been arguing against anyone and everyone, Morm and Eomer coming to mind especially. I don't really think her the enemy, but she deserves more scruntiny than she's been given, and we all KNOW her to be a very crafty writer. We need to keep a closer eye on this one- whether she is innocent or guilty. And so I vote,

++Mithalwen


Formendacil this is stupid and I know you are not. If he weren't already dead I would suspect you of being Huan. Your first semi-random vote started Glirdan on the path to death - a true wolf. How exactly does voting for someone you don't really think of as the enemy help the pack? At best it is merely a cop-out at worst - well I assure you my death would be a loss to the pack. I am a true wolf. When by my death I am proved it (and I do not expect the elves to let me live long) you may well rue this vote - How many innocents can you expect to vote for and survive.

I was right to be uncertain of you. As point of fact I haven't been arguing against all and sundry. Mormegil I have suspected since get-go and have explained why. As for Eomer I said I thought him innocent initially, but like all sensible wolves I do not take first impressions for granted.

I am trusting Boromir more now and like him will hang fire on Mormegil probably.

I do not particularly suspect Dancing Spawn... she has not hit my radar in a negative way. So no strong feelings even now save the strong urge to smack Formendacil for being so dim GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I am so tempted to vote for Wayne for that ridiculous list of his. Maybe it was just meant to be a joke?

Sorry I haven't been around much tonight, but I have read everything and it does seem as if there's not too much info to go on. Not to worry; remember it is rather a large island.

I'll vote for someone who 'feels' wrong to me. I know her better than most of you wolves. She is fiendishly clever and knows strategy inside out. If she is one of the tricky Elves, then she is doing a wonderful job of hiding it.

++KITANNA

More than anything though, it's a reminder to all of you not to get bogged down in voting for just one or two. Spread the votes, and gauge reaction.

Oh, and to anyone critical of me for voting by 'feeling' as opposed to rational deconstruction of the arguments, remember that Elves can construct coherent arguments too. I posit that my method is just as valid; but if you want to dispute this then, by all means, go ahead.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Had another look and Wayne's list becomes clearer: a list in order of suspicion rather than a list of suspects.

Sorry. :o

[Mithalwen]

Eomer, I think I will follow your example. Formen -could a hero be so stupid..... ? I want to smack him and that is clouding my judgement. But Menel is creeping me out and I don't know why.


++Menetamacil

[mormegil]

I wanted to vote for Gurthang as something is not sitting right with him as I explained earlier but Kitanna is not sitting right also and now she has a vote. I'm unsure about Spawn being a hero and therefore I will vote my secondary suspect.

++Kitanna

I'm sure that this vote will be view as suspicious and that is fine perhaps it will help me live through the night so I can help save this pathetic population.

[mormegil]

Votes
Rune
Mithalwen
Spawn 2
Oddwen
Farael 2
Formendacil
Nonnacedak
Kitanna 2
Menentarmacil


I hope I didn't miss anybody and it seems as though our votes are spread out.

[Kath]

++RUNE

I'm two minutes off the deadline so if you want an explanation you'll get it tomorrow!

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

There's now too little time to make any solid theories on my own and I feel bad about it, but there's this horrible, unpredictable factor called RL. I'm also afraid that in a hurry, I could make flawed reasonings *coughKitannacough* ( :p the cross-posting thing that Menel kindly corrected) so even though I trust the most my own brain, I must now go with a theory that sounds the most reasonable to me.

Before that, a few ponderings based on what other wolves have said:

Formendacil has made contradicting statements today and his "protest vote" for Mith was reather odd. A nice way to vote without leaving any tracks to follow. Sure, he's right that Mith's innocence shouldn't been taken as granted, but right now, there's a whole bunch of wolves who seem more suspicious than her.

ToNight has made me a bit more wary of Kitanna (I voiced mild suspicion of her yesterNight). But I'm not sure what to think of her. As I said earlier, I'd be suspicious of people who make accusations so eagerly that they fail to check all the available information of their suspects, but then again, little mistakes happen to everyone.

As Boromir said, perhaps I have been toNights "easy target" because of my absence and now some consider my silence to be suspicious (which I find a bit unfair since I gave you a fair warning beforehand). Since there hasn't been much suspicion of me after Boro's post, I should think that there was at least one hero trying to get rid of me. Nonnac's vote for me -- well, apparently this guy's strategy is quite clear: if you suspect or vote for him, he'll vote for you. :D

Farael on the other hand said that there was "something wrong" with me and then he complains that I've been so silent and when I posted, I just defended myself. Well, it was pure chance that I even got here before school. The only thing I did to defend myself was when I corrected Menel's somewhat flawed accusation.

Hmm, we have now a three-way tie... not good. There are 2 votes for me, 2 for Farael and 2 for Kitanna. Obviously, I won't vote for myself. Help... Kitanna or Farael. I haven't been suspicious of Farael before toNight, though. I need to think a few minutes.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

OH NO! The deadline's now. And some cross-posting, too.

++KITANNA

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ang didn't specify the deadline. He might let it run until 3.30 PM, about the time the day started yesterday.

If so then the other voters might have time to drop by. Kitanna and Oddwen, I think.

[Oddwen]

Oh, dear...I try to make sense sometimes, I really do.

And oh shoot...deadline? Yipe!

I am a follower not a leader, and I can agree and sympathize with anyone, which does not help me here. :mad:

As a few have pointed out Formendacil is slightly off.

And I really can't put my finger on it, but B88 and spawn don't sit right.

And anyone who says "I trust this or that person" creeps me out. Ergo Rune seems to me suspicious.

And since I don't know Wayne, he seems to me doubly so. And then I read your posts saying "Wayne is Wayne", and it feels like you're trying to allay my fears, so should I pay attention...?

Dang, a vote, dang-double-dang.

Who has not voted? D-spawn and myself? Three-way-tie? No, a four-way! Kath's vote for Rune set that. Is D-spawn stalling, because she's a hero and there are one or more heroes in the tie? *gnaws wrists* Will I be suspected of this too?

One more medicated peaceful moment...

[mormegil]

Just for public knowledge I want to let all know that I currently suspect

Gurthang
Kitanna
Boromir
Formendacil

In that order and if I do die tonight somebody please look closely into each and everyone.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will delete this if the deadline has passed. . .


And anyone who says "I trust this or that person" creeps me out. Ergo Rune seems to me suspicious.


I dont trust Lhuna I just dont suspect her because she seems to have the same view on things that I do. Specially the fact that she just say what I have been thinking and not convinces me to think something make me belive in her wolfishness.

[Oddwen]

If so then the other voters might have time to drop by. Kitanna and Oddwen, I think.
Who has not voted? D-spawn and myself? Three-way-tie? No, a four-way! Kath's vote for Rune set that. Is D-spawn stalling, because she's a hero and there are one or more heroes in the tie? *gnaws wrists* Will I be suspected of this too?
Nevermind. Time changes stuff, I guess.

It now stands:

Kitanna 3
Rune 2
Spawn 2
Farael 2
Oddwen
Formendacil
Nonnacedak
Menentarmacil
Mithalwen

I don't even really suspect Kitanna. Though, she could be hanging about, like I accused Spawn of in my last post.

Dang. If I vote for someone with two votes, it'll be a double-lynch, or Kitanna could vote for another two-voter and take a chance on not being chosen. If I vote for someone with one vote or no votes, Kitanna could take someone with her. If I vote for Kitanna, then she dies. Dang. And if she's not a hero, then we've lost another Wolf.

++RUNE
I shall go with my chosen bloodthirsty role. He I suspect more than anyone toNIGHT. It'll come back and bite me in the hindquarters, I know, but I've got to do something.

Crossposted w/ morm & Rune.

[Kitanna]

I don't know what I did to get on everyone's lists, but if that's the way you all feel then throw your votes away.

++MORM

He hasn't been sitting right with me all day. He's a clever one, probably the most clever one we have left. It's hard to tell when he's telling us the truth or just trying to cast any suspcions off himself onto someone else.

[Anguirel]

The Beta Wolf was silenced by the ominous, and somewhat familiar, darkened whirlwind roaring out of the Anfauglith.

More devouring, it hissed. That has to be...entertaining...

Voting closed. Night 2 ending soon.

[Anguirel]

Since the misguided slaying of Huan by those he was trying to help, a confident-even complacent-spirit was abroad within the dark hearts of Tol-in-Gaurhoth's denizens.

"Let's kill two scum today," the bloody-minded Oddwen suggested, saliva pouring from her blood-streaked jaws. "If our luck continues, we'll surely slay two of these so-called Heroes and leave the last to be hunted down without mercy!"

"And if our luck doesn't continue," Meneltarmacil agreed, "we'll have twice as much meat as usual. Even Glirdan's supplies are starting to thin...we need more flesh."

"Aye," Nonnacedak joined in cautiously, "as long as it isn't mine." He had not forgotten his close shave of the Night before.

"I say we should still eat that pathetic little jackal!" Boromir88 growled. "Truly it is aid that the blood of parasites imbues the faithful with holy strength. Besides, he's doubtless got more corpses hidden away."

"Garn!" Kath spat. "If we slay Rune, every one of his sheep will be ours for the taking!"

The wolf o' nine tails, dancing spawn, simply stared at Kitanna, so much smaller than she, a glint of greed in her dark eyes, and the gaze of other wolves began to be drawn to the hapless Beta Wolf too.

At length it was decided that Rune would be devoured for his flock's sweet, fat, meat, and Kitanna because she wouldn't be able to fight back. Ostracised from the pack, the pair were herded into the courtyard of the Tower's prison complex.

"Don't worry, Kitanna," Rune growled. "Neither of us will die this day. I can keep them back."

"You?" Kitanna sneered. "Look, you may be larger than me, but that ain't saying much."

"Size," Rune said, "isn't everything. BARUK KHAZAD, KHAZAD AIMENU!"

The Hero cast the manky wolf-hide which had disguised his true Dwarven nature to one side, and his sheep too began to lose their form; coalescing around him into a suit of mithril armour and a vast double-handed axe.

Kitanna seemed as surprised as the rest, but seeing that in the Dwarf lay her only chance of survival, she lurked behind him thankfully. The werewolves, their foe revealed, made several abortive charges, but each time the swing of the Dwarf Lord's axe repelled them, for they did not wish to die tonight. Rune was conducting a fighting retreat, and he and Kitanna were now out of the courtyard and the Tower.

"Quick," the Beta Wolf snarled, "onto my back, Dwarf. I'll carry you out. Thankyou for saving me. We'll escape together, and perhaps I shall be cured of my disease."

"Perhaps," the Dwarf agreed taciturnly, clambering onto the Wolf. They sped off in the direction of the Sirion. But at this point, instead of leaping over the fast-flowing water, she reared up, knocking the Dwarf in. He sunk rapidly, cursing her and all wolves as he drowned.

"Kitanna!" Eomer gasped. "Truly you are an Alpha Wolf! You defeated a Hero! And a Dwarf at that!"

"It was nothing," she shrugged modestly; but at that point a vengefully hurled Dwarf throwing axe surged through the grey water and sliced off her head.

"Ah well," Lobo remarked, "shame about Kitanna, the bold Dwarfsbane, and all that, but it looks like we'll have something to eat for supper after all..."


Dead

Anguirel (Werewolf)-throat cut as he slept on Day 1
Glirdan (Werewolf)-devoured on Night 1
The Saucepan Man (Huan)-murdered by mischance on Day 2
Rune Son Of Bjarne (Dwarven Hero)-drowned in the Sirion through Kitanna's treachery on Night 2
Kitanna (Werewolf)-beheaded in Rune's last act of vengeance on Night 2


Living

Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
Formendacil-Lobo
Farael-Werewolf In Denial
Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Tails
Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
Kath-Runt of the Litter
Mithalwen-Alpha Female
Meneltarmacil-Lone Wolf
Wayne-Fairy Hunter
Nonnacedak-Scavenger

Day 3 now begins. Remaining Heroes, Sauron, Draugluin and Carcharoth, send your choices to, I stress, both me and Cailin.

Night 3 ought to begin at 2:00pm GMT tomorrow. If something goes pear-shaped, I'll try to get prior warning out. As a last resort, there's the valiant Cailin brigade.

[Anguirel]

The celebrations over the death of Rune had continued into the first rays of morning, and as twilight hardened into night proper, many wolves slunk out of the tower for the Wolfmoot looking distinctly hungover. Eomer and Mithalwen had co-operated in a lightning raid on the Orc liquor stores; many kegs had been smashed open and their heady produce imbibed. Oddwen groaned, rubbing her head with a lethal claw, as she joined the circle of wolves.

"Melkor be praised," Boromir88 rasped out, tottering unsteadily into the centre, his eyes bleary.

"We're...hic...all...here!"

And it was so.

Hidden among their inferiors in the gathering, two wolves crowed quietly; Sauron silently congratulated the vigilance of Draugluin; Draugluin's whiskers twitched in anticipation of rapid promotion...and sneered at the heroes, who, whoever they were, did not seem to be having much luck.


Dead

Anguirel (Werewolf)-throat cut as he slept on Day 1
Glirdan (Werewolf)-devoured on Night 1
The Saucepan Man (Huan)-murdered by mischance on Day 2
Rune Son Of Bjarne (Dwarven Hero)-drowned in the Sirion through Kitanna's treachery on Night 2
Kitanna (Werewolf)-beheaded in Rune's last act of vengeance on Night 2


Living

Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
Formendacil-Lobo
Farael-Werewolf In Denial
Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Tails
Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
Kath-Runt of the Litter
Mithalwen-Alpha Female
Meneltarmacil-Lone Wolf
Wayne-Fairy Hunter
Nonnacedak-Scavenger


Night 3 has now begun. The Heroes are on the back paw; can the wolves continue their success?

Deadline for votes should be 2pm GMT tomorrow this time.

[Kath]

Right my reasoning for voting Rune as promised. It was actually based entirely on this one post (146) where he tries to formulate an argument against Formendacil. There is too much in it to copy and show here but he seemed to be being deliberately obtuse and was making up rubbish to get the focus off himself. It looked a very shoddy argument designed specifically to pass blame.

But thankfully he was a Hero! And we have had a stroke of luck in no one dying yesterDay as well!

Now from a purely instinctual point of view those I'm not too keen on at the moment are Oddwen, morm and Lhuna. I just want to watch a while today and see if my suspicions are founded in any way.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Praise the Guardian! May our luck continue. Any ideas who he/she protected yesterday? I have my ideas as to who the Seer is and also the identity of another gifted (if my reading is wise). Those two I am going to place my trust in.

I will also place my trust in Oddwen and Kath, for reasons which should be crystal clear. So I think we are in very good stead! :D

Sincerest apologies to Kitanna, though. It was an ill-fated choice on my part to pick on you. I'll be back later tonight. Any ideas how we can use the numbers advantage?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Whoa, good job, Draugluin!

YesterNight's votes:

Menel -> Rune
Formendacil -> Mith
Farael -> spawn
Nonnacedak -> spawn
Lhuna -> Oddwen
Gurthang -> Farael
Rune -> Formendacil
Boromir -> Nonnac
Wayne -> Farael
Eomer -> Kitanna
Mith -> Menel
morm -> Kitanna
Kath -> Rune
spawn -> Kitanna
Oddwen -> Rune
Kitanna -> morm

I don't understand why Kitanna didn't save herself last Night when she had a chance. Didn't she notice that there was a tie between her and Rune?

Here's a little summary of who accused whom from last Night:

Boromir suspected mormegil, Wayne, Menel, Kitanna, spawn & Nonnac, was quite neutral about Mith and later of spawn
mormegil suspected Kitanna, Gurthang, Boromir, Formendacil & spawn, was quite neutral about Wayne, Farael, Mith and Nonnac
Kath suspected morm & Rune
Menel suspected Boromir, morm, Wayne, Oddwen, Farael, spawn, Rune & Kitanna
Farael suspected spawn, Gurthang, was quite neutral about Nonnac
Mithalwen suspected morm, Eomer, Wayne, Gurthang, Formendacil, Boromir & Oddwen, later seemed quite neutral about Kath, Eomer, Boromir & spawn
Eomer suspected Kitanna, Kath & spawn, was quite neutral about Mith
Formendacil suspected Gurthang, morm & Mith, was quite neutral of Boromir, Eomer & Lhuna
Wayne suspected morm, Kath, Farael, Rune, Nonnac & Menel (that was the top 5 of his list + Kath whom he mentioned earlier)
Nonnacedak suspected spawn, Boromir & Gurthang
Gurthang suspected Farael, Kitanna, morm, spawn & Nonnac
Farael suspected spawn & Gurthang
Rune suspected Farael & Formendacil, was quite neutral of Lhuna & Nonnac
Kitanna suspected morm & spawn
Lhuna suspected Wayne & Oddwen, was quite neutral of Farael, Menel, Formendacil, morm & Mith
spawn suspected Formendacil, Kitanna & Farael

Please, tell me if I have interpreted something you have said wrong or if there are any mistakes on that list (there was so many posts that I might have not noticed everything). The persons after the word "suspected" were found 1) very suspicious 2) suspicious 3) mildly suspicious 4) suspicion of them was expressed as a joke, or 5) just some thing they had done was considered strange. I didn't want to separate those things, because real accusations can be disguised as a joke, for example. Besides, after that, the whole list would have looked so messy that no-one would have understand a word from it. :rolleyes:

I have to leave now to a concert, I'll tell you my own theories when I get back.

[mormegil]

Menel voted Rune (Rune 1)
Formen voted Mith (Rune 1, Mith 1)
Farael voted Spawn (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 1)
Nonna voted Spawn (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2)
Lhuna voted Oddwen (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1)
Gurthang voted Farael (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 1)
Rune voted Formen (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 1, Formen 1)
Boromir voted Nonna (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 1, Formen 1, Nonna 1)
Wayne voted Farael (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1)
Eomer voted Kitanna (Rune 1, Kitanna 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1)
Mith voted Menel (Rune 1, Kitanna 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Mormegil voted Kitanna (Rune 1, Kitanna 2, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Kath voted Rune (Rune 2, Kitanna 2, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Spawn voted Kitanna (Rune 2, Kitanna 3, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Oddwen voted Rune (Rune 3, Kitanna 3, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Kitanna voted Mormegil (Rune 3, Kitanna 3, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1, Mormegil 1)

This puts Spawn in a bad light though I'm not sure why Kitanna didn't vote Rune to save herself?!?!

[Mithalwen]

I just want to apologise to Menel. With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight I realise I was totally wrong last night . I allowed my judgement to be clouded by wolves I have known longer and my desire not to make a spite vote re Formendacil. I need to review everything. So ... more later.

[Oddwen]

Bully for Drauglin! Good job, bucko.

I believe that I may have been the chosen target for the heroes and our Devilish Drauglin. My vote for Rune may have seemed a bit Sauron-ish to them. But I'm not, so rest assured. :D

I don't understand why Kitanna didn't save herself last Night when she had a chance. Didn't she notice that there was a tie between her and Rune?

*scratches behind ear* This confuses me also. I guess we'll never know.

Let's review Rune, shall we?

Night one:

Glirdan mentions Rune in his first post. However, we know Glirdan was innocent, so that doesn't tell us much. Rune pops up and says how he "hates us all", and says Glirdan seems "wolfish". Glirdan vents at Rune. Gurthang is sure that either Rune or Glirdan are the Huan (but we allll know how wrong he was :p;) ). Gurthang then votes for Rune, because he didn't want to join the Glirdan bandwagon, and one of Rune's statements confuses him. Rune then expresses suspicions of Wayne, Nonna, and Farael. He votes Wayne because of his "unpredictableness". Glirdan is lynched.

Night two:

Morm points out that Gurthang didn't give a very good explanation for his day one vote of Rune, calls it "safe". Menel minorly suspects Rune, calling his vote for Wayne "safe", because he could have gotten away with it without being part of a bandwagon. He calls Rune and B88 his primary suspects. Then he says Rune will probably be getting his vote. Nonna calls Gurthang's day one vote for Rune "random" and "odd". Menel says Rune could be "hero #3". Rune then explains his vote for Wayne, agreeing that it was a safe vote because even if Wayne wasn't a wolf, he was unpredictable, also says he didn't vote for Nonna or Farael because "they're new". Rune then agrees with Farael's theory. Menel then suspects Rune, Farael, and Oddwen as the heroes. He finds it hard to decide between voting for Rune or Farael, an keeps out of the majority by voting for Rune. Rune then says he trusts Lhuna because he agrees with what she says. He says he's all but removed Nonna from his suspect list save for his seeming "vengeance" vote for Menel. He finds Farael still "sneaky" and finds something odd about Formendacil. In his next post, he calls Formendacil's posts "without bite" and "going in all directions", not like the "wolf he used to know". He breaks down several of Formen's posts, and then votes for him. B88 says Menel's argument against Rune makes sense. He then tells Rune and Farael the problems with their theory. Rune then says that he saw the problem. He asks Wayne why he's number three on his list. Kath votes for Rune, promising an explanation the next Night. Rune seems suspicious to Oddwen because he's ready to trust Lhuna. Rune attempts to appease Oddwen, saying that he doesn't trust Lhuna, he merely agrees with her. Oddwen votes for Rune because she would like to see him go rather than Kitanna. Rune and Kitanna are lynched, and the rest is history.

Reading this history, I am inclined to see as suspicious:

Gurthang he could have voted for a hero the first day to try to distance himself from the other heroes, not knowing that Rune would be the first to go
Nonna and/or Farael, because I see Rune mentioning them but "giving them a chance because they're new" a little odd. I also find that Rune saying how he doesn't suspect Nonna and that he still found Farael sneaky a bit odd as well.

Disseminate this at will.

[Mithalwen]

Clearly those who voted for Rune were likely choices for both the enemy and Draugluin. I am now fairly confident of 4 or 5 innocents (which is 3 or 4 up on yesterday!) . As to the identity of the two remaining "heroes" ... I need to do a lot more looking and listening.....

[Gurthang]

I don't understand why Kitanna didn't save herself last Night when she had a chance. Didn't she notice that there was a tie between her and Rune?


...though I'm not sure why Kitanna didn't vote Rune to save herself?!?!

*scratches behind ear* This confuses me also. I guess we'll never know.

I believe that Kitanna realized that, even if she did not die last Night, she would still be in the running toNight. Trying to save herself would just make her look more guilty in most of her accusors eyes. So, knowing herself to be innocent, she decided to let herself be taken out of the picture so we could look elsewhere for the heros. If we spent all of toNight looking at her, then we really would get no closer to finding those we seek.

Eomer, I take it from you post that you do not believe Oddwen or Kath to gifted. I won't claim to have spotted our more powerful allies. I've got my hunches, but I've learned that I'm not very good at spotting clues.

Farael still is my #1 pick, but I really don't have a lot against her. Mainly, the fact that she disregards everyone who voted for Glirdan and also her jumpiness at my questioning yesterday. I'm going to try to look at Nonna a little, and maybe morm.

Also, I still think it would make sense to look at the voters for Nonna on that first day. There are only two left, of whom I think I find Boromir a little more suspicious than Spawn, but I will look at both.

[mormegil]

I have a great plan that might save a bunch of you prats. Now listen to me and listen good! We have 14 total left, 2 of them heroes, 3 gifted and 9 innocents. Now, Draugluin knows who one innocent is being as he/she protected them last night. There is a chance that who was protected was Sauron but it's unknown. Now Sauron has been able to learn the identity of 3 others, hopefully one hero but more than likely only innocents. That means they could know up to 3 innocents but likely at least one is dead, so I will go with 2. And we have Carcharoth hidden among us. That would make 5 to 7 known innocents. More than likely it's 6 but out of 14 that's not too bad. There is a chance that overlap could exist, ie Sauron dreamt of Carcharoth or Draugluin protected somebody that Sauron dreamt of.

What I propose is for all to step forward and let us know what they know. This would narrow the field by almost half. Then they could orchestrate a double devouring (think of all the meat) of the two highest suspects on that list. It's likely that Draugluin would be the first to die then Sauron but Sauron would be able to get one more dream in and we would have another double devouring.

The plan might be best implemented today however it may be best to do tomorrow. Of course I will let those who know best decide. This of course could be seen as a ploy to get the gifteds to reveal themselves but think about it, at this point I don't think a hero would want this, to be more visible in a group of 7 to 8 as opposed to a group of 14.

I still hold that Gurthang is guilty and he is not sitting right with me. I think I will vote for him today if the plan is not implented.

[Nonnacedak]

Nonna calls Gurthang's day one vote for Rune "random" and "odd".

The only reason I said that was because he first voiced suspicion on me and then quickly changed his mind to Rune. It may not have been as random as I thought however because I actually never really read why he voted for Rune.

Also, I still think it would make sense to look at the voters for Nonna on that first day. There are only two left, of whom I think I find Boromir a little more suspicious than Spawn, but I will look at both.

Like Gurthang I still think one Hero was in the group that voted for me. Neither B88 or Spawn have voted for Rune on both nights so Im for sure going to vote one of them. I need to see more of their posts to make a final decision however.

[Gurthang]

Gurthang is sure that either Rune or Glirdan are the Huan (but we allll know how wrong he was ).

First off, I said I was 73% sure. Misquoting, naughty naughty.... :p

Thank you, Oddwen, for that analysis, despite it implicating me.

I've always assumed that hero's will not usually openly defend each other in their posts. Which means that they will either suspect each other or ignore each other completely. So, grouping by who Rune found suspicious, trustworthy, and did not say anything.

Rune's Suspects:
Glirdan
Wayne
Nonnacedak
Farael
Formendacil

Rune's Trustees:
Lhuna (agrees with what she says)
Nonna (all but removed from suspect list)

Which leaves:
Rune's Ignorees:
mormegil
Gurthang
Eomer
Boromir
Spawn
Oddwen
Kath
Mithalwen
Meneltarmacil

Okay, that really doesn' narrow it down much. I do notice that Rune jumped back and forth on Nonnacedak. Could be suspecting then not suspecting a fellow hero.

Well, later I'll see if I can make a list of people who mentioned Rune and see what I come up with. Maybe cross-referencing the two will help.

[Formendacil]

What I propose is for all to step forward and let us know what they know. This would narrow the field by almost half. Then they could orchestrate a double devouring (think of all the meat) of the two highest suspects on that list. It's likely that Draugluin would be the first to die then Sauron but Sauron would be able to get one more dream in and we would have another double devouring.

You ALWAYS seem to want the Gifted ones to step forward and tell all.

Although I can see a benefit to the village of doing so, I also think that you would be robbing the village of the chance to benefit from their experience for a day longer. Furthermore, this plays right into the hands of the Heroes, who have thus far been totally clueless.

Who died and made you the King of Tol Sirion, anyway?

I think you innocent, Master Mormegil, but your insistence on trying to direct the ways of the village are irksome, and could easily point to Elvish trickery.

Now, in regards to my vote of our last Night together, I admit that it was a rather foolish vote on my part, and had I been more awake, I would surely have seen that. But I ask you to look at what timezone I live in, and see that it was rather late at night, and I wouldn't be up in time for a vote that could be better-placed. What's more, it was late, and I was too tired to clearly think through the village, so I did my civic duty.

If you don't like that explanation, then tough cookies. Go and help the Elves out.

[Boromir88]

I'm in favor of mormegil's plan. Or atleast to a limited degree, perhaps the Ranger step out and say who he/she protected, but it may be too early and unwise to have Sauron himself step out for right now we have the upperhand but we don't want things to slip out of our paws.

As far as analyzing everyone, you'll hear more from me later. But, Praise Melkor indeed! We have been in good favor we should make a sacrifice to him tonight for his grace.

[Mithalwen]

I am yet to do my review but re. Morm's plan, I think that both the enemy and Draugluin would have picked the person they though most likely to be Sauron. While neither them can be certain without a confession it seems likely that the enemy will attack the same person again today knowing that Draugluin cannot protect them. I say we think carefully before we condemn two gifteds to death on successive days - Draugluin presumably may not protect themself.

[Boromir88]

Good point Mith, so I guess if the plan is to work then Sauron would have to step out and name who he/she has dreamed of. There is a possibility though that though the heroes probably went after who they thought was Sauron, and Draugluin protected the same person, that that person may not be Sauron. However, at this stage in the game I'd say it would be too risky to try and bet on.

[mormegil]

Who died and made you the King of Tol Sirion, anyway?

I think you innocent, Master Mormegil, but your insistence on trying to direct the ways of the village are irksome, and could easily point to Elvish trickery.


Nobody you twit but perhaps this Island would be better served if nobody tried to set forth plans or establish some leadership. I do not want leadership, however I am not afraid to voice my thoughts and ideas and I am ready to accept that not all would want to agree. Perhaps you would rather all of us be silent?

Although I can see a benefit to the village of doing so, I also think that you would be robbing the village of the chance to benefit from their experience for a day longer. Furthermore, this plays right into the hands of the Heroes, who have thus far been totally clueless.

I answer that with a quote from me.

The plan might be best implemented today however it may be best to do tomorrow.

How does this play into the Hero's hands? If they are likely to be dead in two nights?

You ALWAYS seem to want the Gifted ones to step forward and tell all.

No I always want to win and I will do what it takes to win.

[Meneltarmacil]

Apology accepted, Mithalwen. However, though being the Alpha male has it's benefits, I really don't care much for the leadership role. I prefer being able to do what I want on my own time without having to mediate petty quarrels, avoid murder attemps by ambitious underlings, and such. But thanks anyway.

It seems my theory may have been correct. Rune, "Hero #3," is now dead, and that leaves Heroes 1 and 2, at least one of which likely voted for Glirdan the first round. I find it unlikely that one of them voted for Rune, at least not early on.

People Voting for Glirdan, Against Rune:
Formendacil
Farael
WaynetheGoblin
mormegil

The name that stands out the most here would be Farael, and he is now my prime suspect for Hero #1. Oddwen, another suspect I had for Hero #1, does not appear that suspicious anymore as Rune would not have been killed if she had voted for someone else.

As for Hero #2, Dancing spawn is certainly possible, as she was one of the Kitanna voters. However, since her "third vote" for Nonnacedak was a cross-post with Sauce, it is diffucult to accuse her of jumping on a bandwagon. The only person we could consider as being part of a "Nonna bandwagon" is Boromir88, and there is little evidence that would point to him. However, spawn may be a Hero who, like Rune was just going to vote for an easy target, which Nonnacedak was due to the many suspicions of him.

In conclusion, Farael is my top suspect, followed by dancing spawn.

[Boromir88]

I think Gurthang explains pretty well as far as why Kitanna didn't vote for Rune. I think another reason could have been that if she voted for Rune it would of course look like she's saving herself (which we would expect from any one whether innocent or not). So, if Rune turned out to be innocent Kitanna would expect to be dead next day. So, either way Kitanna felt like she would be dead soon whether it be today or the next, truly I noble sacrifice for a wolf. I would have prepared the body for proper burial if it wasn't the case that we needed something to eat. Oh well, still doesn't make her sacrifice less noble.

Ok, so this is purely off voting and hopefully later I can decipher some more. Voting was spread out yesterday, which could give us some helpful clues.

For Rune:
Meneltarmacil
Kath
Oddwen

For Kitanna:
Eomer
Mormegil
Spawn

For Spawn:
Farael
Nonnacedak

For Farael:
Gurthang
Wayne

For others:
Lhuna-Oddwen
Formendacil-Mith
Boromir-Nonnacedak
Mithalwen-Meneltarmacil
Kitanna-Mormegil
Rune-Formendacil

Now based off voting yesterday I'm not ready to exempt anyone who voted for Menel as a sure innocent. Though it does show favor to Kath and Oddwen as being innocent. Since voting was close they delivered crucial votes to end Rune's pathetic little life. Menel's vote doesn't clear him, he was the first vote, and it's possible that he didn't believe Rune would be lynched that day, but if Rune is happened to be lynched he'd have a good record to point to and say "See I voted for a hero." But, as of right now I have no reason to think Menel, or anyone who voted for Rune as another hero partner. Though I did find his argument against Rune well done yesterday (as I pointed out yesteray, and it turned out to be he was true) so right now anyone who voted for Rune looks pretty favorable. Though I'm not going to cast any of them off as sure innocents.

For those who voted for Kitanna I would probably say Eomer is the most suspicious of them. Spawn's vote looks bad, but as an experiences wolf (or perhaps human? She should expect that such a vote would make her look bad). Could it be a bluff possibly, but right now I think of those who voted for Kitanna, Eomer would look the most hero-esque simply because it would be a safer vote for a hero to hide in instead of someone like Spawn's vote. As much as I'd hate to admit, our crabby wolf does have a point in that someone has to propose ideas and find ways to win. Mr. Morm is acting no different from any other wolving adventures I've been on him with, he's always the one to propose plans, as crazy or "evil-intended" as they sound (i.e. saying our gifteds should come forward) his plans are usually with the best of intentions. Though, it's possible he knows this and is only using it for his own evil purposes, I do doubt it, and think our crabby wolf is just trying to help.

As far as some of the other votes go. Now, my main reason for saying I would suspect those who voted for Spawn was because she was not here a lot yesterday and would be an easy target to pile up on. I did not want another bandwagon started, especially against someone who wasn't here and explained she wasn't going to be here. After her vote Spawn will have a lot of explaining to do, but based on yesterday Farael's and Nonna's vote both seem like an attempt to get the ball rolling against Spawn, and I still hold those same beliefs. Nonna's vote especially looks like an attempt to get the ball rolling.

As far as some of the other votes, I'm afraid I can't make much out of them, seems like people just voted for who they believed to be guilty. Though a hero is probably hiding in there somewhere, I can't make out those votes, perhaps someone will be able to.

I will say my vote for Nonna is because I highly suspect him, no one changed my mind for who to vote yesterday and his vote for Spawn only made him look more heroish in my eyes.

[Boromir88]

Well, I'm posting again because I guess it's about time for me to start grouping people here...

Seems fairly innocent:
Meneltarmacil
Oddwen
Kath

Unsure, yet I'm willing to trust:
Mithalwen
Mormegil
Gurthang

Plain out unsure about:
Formendacil
Farael
Wayne
Lhuna

Who I'm keeping my eyes on:
Nonna
Spawn
Eomer

I think that's everyone.

[Mithalwen]

I am still analysing but unlike Boromir so far I think it highly unlikely that anyone who voted for Rune is a hero if you look at when they voted and the sequence - thank you Mr Grumpy-Morm!

[Farael]

Morm, Morm... are you a eager wolf or a cunning Hero? I must say I did not suspected you until today but am I the only one to notice a shortcoming in your plan? what if one of the heroes said to be Sauron? it would be a risky act, but would you risk devouring the true Sauron? even if it is a 50% chance, with only one hero left he/she could meassure his/her time and play it safe. Without Sauron we would have no way of knowing who the hero is but to have him/her make a mistake and he/she could easily attack Dragulin the first night and avoid Carcharoth so that he/she does not get accidentally killed. Your idea is noble indeed but too risky, not only for the gifteds who I'm sure are willing to risk their lives for the rest of us, but for all of us werewolves, warg and man. If we manage to get another hero, then we should consider that plan again, because it would be suicidal for the hero to pretend to be gifted.

Also, keep in mind that this sneaky hero could easily say he dreamt about Dragulin, Rune and anyone else and that he/she knew their roles. How are we going to tell it's a lie if the gifteds come out?

To explain my vote for spawn as I don't want to make myself more suspicious to those who already suspect me, I still believe that there is at least one hero in the Nonna bandwagon and I am not suspecting Boromir as much as before.

Regarding to-nights suspicions I shall think some more about them. I realize I'm walking the thin edge and I don't want to make you devour an innocent man just by mistake.

[WaynetheGoblin]

Werewolfs take the lead yae it looks like menel is innicent for being first to vote for rune i think the heros might of gone for him. i do not suspect kath as much now i didnt know that was the reason she didnt vote on night 1.that is all i have to say good bye.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Now from a purely instinctual point of view those I'm not too keen on at the moment are Oddwen, morm and Lhuna. I just want to watch a while today and see if my suspicions are founded in any way.I don't quite understand Kath's suspicion of Oddwen. If the votes tell anything, it would really seem that both wolf ladies are true lycans and nothing more.

This puts Spawn in a bad light though I'm not sure why Kitanna didn't vote Rune to save herself?!?! Funny you should say that when you yourself tied Kitanna with me and Farael.

I believe that you realize that I wouldn't have voted myself at that stage because I'm sure of my innocence, but I can't be 100% sure about anyone else's. I had become suspicious of Farael only that Night whereas I had been unsure of Kitanna already the night before. I hadn't a clue that Kath had cast her vote for Rune thus giving yet another person a second vote. I was confused about the voting deadline, that was my mistake. When I saw Kath's vote I hadn't time to start analysing Rune's behaviour since I was just concerned to break the tie between Kitanna, Farael and me before the Night would end. I understand now that I should have voted myself like Kitanna did, so you wouldn't suspect me anymore... I try to remember that in the future. :p

About morm's plan - if we want to use it, we need to consider carefully, when to do it. If the Seer and Draugluin step forward, we'll lose them both in the next Days unless we can't catch the Heroes first. However, if Draugluin and the Heroes both picked the Seer yesterDay, s/he'll be gone after next Day and we might not be able to decipher, whom s/he had dreamed of. We would still have our Draugluin left, though.

I'm so tired now that the lines don't stay straight. I'll take a nap and come back when I'm able to think again.

[Mithalwen]

Farael - you get more suspicious by the second.
Some of us have already pointed out flaws but this is unlikely I feel. It is harder to claim to be Sauron than any other gifted. Sauron has more knowledge than anyone at this point. Anyone claiming to be Sauron tonight has to fake 3 dreams that are plausible with their voting and posting. I personally am not certain of the Dark Lord's identity and will not speculate since you can all read as well as I.

But at the moment I must say, you are heading up my hit list , Farael.

You have consistently attracted much suspicion - no smoke without fire?

[mormegil]

I would welcome the hero being stupid enough to claim to be Sauron. The point is we will loose Sauron soon enough, if this is done, and the Hero will identify him/herself for us. Then we'd be down to one Hero and many known innocent. The idea of the double devouring each day is to kill unknowns faster than the Hero can kill known innocents and we win! However, I agree with Mith those comments of yours moved you up to very high on my list. I say that Farael and Gurthang our the Heros.

The key to my plan is Sauron. He/She knows how much or little he/she knows currently. So if Sauron were to step forward perhaps all gifteds should comply as well. I don't think it will happen today but tomorrow would be ideal. The only problem is what if the Heros get Sauron tonight. A lot of information could be lost. I leave it in Sauron's hands to decide what is best.

Edit: 2000th post :D

[Boromir88]

I've been scrounging through the records these last days and something with Gurthang just doesn't sit right with me now. Day 1 he randomly votes Rune (which I think everyone's votes early on are pretty much random...if not all the time, it just seems like we're lunging into the dark and hoping our claws find threachurous blood). Anyway, Day 1, Gurthang tosses out a vote for Rune for some reason.

And, what about this, I'm actually going to agree with Nonna's Post 81 where he marks this as odd and just seems like a throw away. Gurthang's reason for voting for Rune (as he explains it), was first he doesn't mind bandwagoning, he doesn't see a problem in it, but he doesn't join in he just throws out a vote. His vote seems like...

1) A hero that doesn't want to get his sword dirty in an innocent's death. Knowing that if he tagged a long it would seem like "bandwagoning" and also he would get his sword fresh with innocent wolf blood.

2) By voting for Rune, if Rune every happens to by eaten (which is the next day as we see) he atleast looks semi-safe. Gurthang's vote was a safe move for a hero to make and I now have my eye set upon him.

Despite my actually agreeing with Nonnacedak it doesn't make him seem any better to me, but Gurthang has quickly moved up my list.

I may be in the minority here, but to me Farael's post really doesn't make him seem more suspicious, it actually seems to be in good intentions and a reasonable question. Of course it would be hard and actually rather stupid for a hero to claim to be Sauron. However, we know how us wolves are in situations like this, when we're attacking villages. I've seen fellow wolves pull off successful disguises of being a gifted. Though it results in their own death eventually, a good guise as a gifted is able to draw them out and get them killed in the process, also just establish total chaos and confusion in the village. So, I don't see why Farael pointing out additional faults in Morm's plan makes him look more suspicious, I actually find it as a reasonable logical thing to point out. What if a hero tried to claim to be Sauron? Grant it, the hero would most likely seal his/her own fate, but a successful attempt could bring out the gifteds and get them killed in the process, as well as split the pack in two and cause chaos.

So my updated, adjusted suspect list, in no particular order:

Nonnacedak
Gurthang
Spawn
Eomer

[Nonnacedak]

At the moment Gurthang is definatly moving up my suspect list. I still suspect Dancing Spawn but because of recent posts I am leaning towards Gurthang. Like I said and B88 reiterated his random switch from me to Rune at the very beginning looks like he was trying to do a quick Hero cover at the beginning by starting a vote for a fellow Hero.

Now B88 you were the only person to vote for me last voting round and you are constantly putting me at the top of your suspect list. You do this but you really never say why I'm your main suspect.... Since your the only one that suspects me and you always just put my name and never try to prove that I'm a Hero I really shouldn't care to much. I guess your just baffeling me.

[Gurthang]

At the moment Gurthang is definatly moving up my suspect list. I still suspect Dancing Spawn but because of recent posts I am leaning towards Gurthang. Like I said and B88 reiterated his random switch from me to Rune at the very beginning looks like he was trying to do a quick Hero cover at the beginning by starting a vote for a fellow Hero.

Now B88 you were the only person to vote for me last voting round and you are constantly putting me at the top of your suspect list. You do this but you really never say why I'm your main suspect.... Since your the only one that suspects me and you always just put my name and never try to prove that I'm a Hero I really shouldn't care to much. I guess your just baffeling me.

First off, I'll explain my first day vote. Which probably won't make any difference.

Glirdan had four votes. I didn't suspect him, but I had no reason not to, either. So I just said the bandwagon was fine with me. I had mentioned Nonnacedak early, and this is why you are questioning me. Was it not because you are a scavenger that I questioned you? I accused you for your occupation, as many do on the first day. We really have nothing to go on then, so we randomly accuse and gauge reactions. Nothing about your reaction stuck out to me, so I let it go. Now, since then I have noticed scraps here and there against you (so you are wrong saying Boromir is the only one to suspect you.). Notice that the same has happened to Farael; early I was worried about him(don't know if I posted saying so or not), but found that it was just for him being a werewolf-in-denial. Since I have become suspicious for other reasons.

So, when it came time that I had to vote, I really had nothing. So, rather than not vote or vote for someone who already had votes who I did not suspect, I quickly thought of anything that I could use as an excuse to vote for someone. I remembered Glirdan mentioning Rune's confusing post (which had slightly confused me, also) and so I used that. I jumped on the first thing that came to mind, so if that's a cop-out, then I'm guilty of it.

Now I'm really getting uneasy about all these people suspecting me. Morm and Oddwen have put forth good reasons and are making sense to me (despite being wrong), so I don't hold that against them. Boromir, I'm not sure, he's got a valid point in his post, but I almost feel like he's jumping out because of the other two. Nonna has come out again (he's suspected me before) but he's been silent about me for awhile, and I really feel like he's just coming back now that there's more support against me.

I'm still leaning on Farael, and Nonna is really close up there, too. I'll try to glance through the thread before Night ends, but I'll most likely vote for one of them.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, what can I say? There's some evidence for Nonnacedak and Gurthang turning up that I'll have to look into, Nonna may actually be looking a little more suspicious than spawn right now.

However, I'm going to stick to my guns and vote

++Farael

[Boromir88]

Now B88 you were the only person to vote for me last voting round and you are constantly putting me at the top of your suspect list. You do this but you really never say why I'm your main suspect.... Since your the only one that suspects me and you always just put my name and never try to prove that I'm a Hero I really shouldn't care to much. I guess your just baffeling me.~Nonna
Let's see,

Post 44 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=435095&postcount=44) gives the reason for voting for you on Day 1. Day 1 we don't have a lot to go off of, I felt like your vote for Meneltarmacil was because he had suspected you. Mormegil thinks it's an "over-reaction" and uses it to suspect me, but me personally, I felt this as on odd action, and really the most suspisious thing on Day 1.

Day 2, I really wasn't convinced in anyone else's guilt so I stuck with yours. In fact as I clearly stated in post 148 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=435506&postcount=148) (and earlier today in post 188 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=435792&postcount=188) I will suspect anyone who voted for Spawn, because we were aware that she would not be there that day very often and with her absense it would be easier to go after if she isn't here to explain herself. I saw your vote as this precise thing, especially since it was after Farael's who had first voted for Spawn.

Also, just something doesn't sit right in me. Just some of your comments like where you more than eagerly jump onto the idea that someone who voted for you had to be a hero. Seems like you have this thought out that someone who suspects you or votes for you has to be a hero.

It just strikes me as strange that you are rather persistant in seeing the people who vote for you dead. Persistant in that I have not explained my reasonings for suspecting you (and yet as I show above I have laid them out, whether others agree with me or not is a different problem, that's why I suspect you and I've laid it out and your insistance that I have not done so only I hope raises more eyebrows). You've been very anxious to kill the one's who have voted for you, makes me wonder if you and your little hero-buddy tried to wack me last night.

Boromir, I'm not sure, he's got a valid point in his post, but I almost feel like he's jumping out because of the other two.
Well unless if it comes down to you or someone who I feel likely to be innocent than don't expect yourself to be in my stomach today. My post was mainly to basically cancel this one:
Unsure, yet I'm willing to trust:
Mithalwen
Mormegil
Gurthang
Because, at that time you seemed to make sense (and you still do with your reasons for suspecting on Day 1), but just going through some posts your vote for Rune on Day 1 sticks out, and it very well could be for the reason that you say, only time will tell.

[Oddwen]

First off, I said I was 73% sure. Misquoting, naughty naughty....
Oh yes, I'm a ver-ry naughty wolf, sir. Pardon the misquote, that post was a retype and I was slightly frustrated. *throws computer agains the wall*

Right now, my suspicions are strongest against Nonna and Gurthang for reasons expressed above. As it stands, I am prepared to see either one of them lynched.

Re: Morm's great plan:

Unless Sauron knows of a hero, I would advise another Day's wait for them to reveal themselves.

Must leave, I hope to be back before the end of this NIGHT.

[Formendacil]

This game is doing a remarkably good job of keeping my confused. Nobody seems particularly innocent to me- or particularly guilty. Morm and his manipulating seems so blatant that I am half-tempted to think him a Hero deftly conducting the tune of the entire village. And yet, this is so similar to his record, to his past Innocent self, that I am loathe to condemn him based on this alone. If some wolf, more analytical than I, were to dig up the evidence to convict him, I could well be persuaded to vote along with them, but as things stand... well, I just can't justify it to myself.

Of the names that keep occupying the top suspicion spot today, Gurthang, Farael, and Nonnacedak, I am inclined to think Farael guilty. His actions seem to be those more of an Innocent who has never been in one of these situations before than of a Hero slipping up.

Gurthang is a good deal more sedate and less confusing than I am used to, but this very fact inclines me to think that he is guilty. Looking at the rest of the evidence, I really don't have any reasons leaping out at me as guilty, but this one reason is enough to worry me.

Nonnacedak is a bit of a wild card. Although his actions have been rather suspicious thus far, his normal style on the forums is such that I am almost tempted to see him as a sort of Wayne- for which reason I am hesitant to condemn him as guilty, as well as the fact that, like Farael, he's a newcomer to this game.

Of the three, Nonnacedak is the most suspicious of the three, and if nothing transpires in the coming hour or so to speak up for someone else's guilt, I shall likely vote for him due to a lack of options, but I like it not...

[Formendacil]

Over an hour, and not a post on this thread. More spectacularly, not a post on the whole forum, that I could see...

Well, I'm as good as my word. It is 11:30 pm here, time for me to sleep, and- more importantly- to post my vote of the night. I do not think I shall return ere the end of the night.

As promised, I shall vote for Nonnacedak, having seen nothing new regarding anybody, and being entirely too tired to think up a different strategy.

++Nonnacedak

[Nonnacedak]

I guess Im moving up people's suspect lists pretty fast and I can already see the bandwagon starting. Like I said people just like to pick on someone that is different :( . Oh well....

++Gurthang

If Gurthang really is a Hero and I end up dying tonight let me just say that I hope all you accusers burn in the afterlife!

[Lhunardawen]

Excellent job, Master Draugluin! I see someone who will be treating us to plenty of flesh at the end of this ordeal... ;) (hoping Sauron stays alive to reward him, of course)

Well, well, the past Day and Night has been wonderful for the village (except for the death of poor Kitanna, but she pretty much brought it upon herself), and the rate we're going I daresay we'll be killing off these nasty heroes in a few Nights! But as they say, a cornered foe becomes more dangerous, for he will do anyhting to save his skin. So all the more reason for us to be careful and vigilant.

This might be rather odd for me to say but toNight, as I was going through the happenings after I left last Night, I chanced upon Rune's *snarl* comments about me. For a while it made me feel good that someone trusted me enough to believe I am innocent, but after finding out that he was a hero those same words made my fur stand on end. It might have been his strategy to latch himself onto a proven innocent (in his and the other heroes', as well as my eyes, that is) to give him some sense of belonging to this village or whatever his intention was. But realizing that made me think that the other heroes might be doing something similar, to a different degree and form.

Now I recall Gurthang saying something about a shadow of his named Meneltarmacil. I will not be quick to say anything conclusive regarding that, but I believe that in this scenario if anyone is likely to be supected more it is Gurthang. Although it's funny that Menel doesn't seem to have noticed this comment...maybe he's just shrugged it off or something, I don't know. I'm inclined to think that Menel is a werewolf what with all his helpfulness and his being instrumental to the discovery of Rune's heroism but these heroes can be incredibly tricksy...

[Farael]

Well, I have been listening to everyone's comments and to be honest, I have very little to go on with. There is not really anyone who sticks out from the rest as "most guilty". Perhaps some will think that's me and let me tell you, you will be making a big mistake. But of course, that plays into the hands of the Heroes so expect (and maybe suspect) someone to react to my words.

Perhaps I will not live to see another moonrise but mark my words, by tomorrow evening I will not be the only one feeling sad that I'm dead.

I shall meditate a little over what has been said today and then I shall cast my vote. Don't expect it too be very logical as odds are I'll go with my gut feeling at the time of the vote. What can I say? It might have been the Christmas bug but there has been very little posting to work with, and everyone is far more experienced than myself so it's not an easy task to read into what is said.

For those who suspect me this will probably be the 'confirmation' of that suspicion... but listen to my words, I am no Sauron and that's for sure but when I'm dead, see who has been accusing me. I'm not sure everyone who has done it has his/her hands clean.

And as I am pretty much surrending myself as the sacrificial goat for to-night, I shall give you another hint for when you analyze what went wrong... I already explained my vote for spawn, it was not as much that she talked little for I knew she would, but for the content of what she did say. It's not about quantity but quality.

Just to help you all after I'm dead.... even if I cannot convince you of my thoughts on other people, I can surely tell you what I think.

[Lhunardawen]

Well, I was studying the posts of our previously revealed adversary Rune, hoping to find something substantial. Make of it what you will.

(post #68) Expresses suspicion of Wayne, Nonna, and Farael, saying they acted kind of odd. Gives Nonna and Farael another chance and votes for Wayne due to his unpredictability.

That probably doesn't automatically make them innocent. My instincts actually lead me to think that the one of the two he did not vote for could, however unlikely, be his fellow heroes, and he was just trying to dissociate himself from them. The vote for Wayne, on the other hand, could be a vote for a fellow hero that he hopes nobody will really notice. Everyone seemed to be quite oblivious of Wayne, anyway.

(post #126) Explains his vote for Wayne upon the questioning of Meneltarmacil. It doesn't really matter, now.

(post #131) Agrees with Farael's theory on heroes that they were not (much) involved in the Glirdan bandwagon, or at least that's how I understood it. I think he meant that a hero was likely to "start" the bandwagon, meaning voting first without "knowing" that it would end up being a bandwagon. Note that his conclusion says "or all of the heroes is among us who did not vote for Glirdan or Noona (sic)." Hmm...well, he was one of those, having voted for Wayne. Perhaps he's telling the truth, or was "trying to remove attention from his friends," as he later suspected of Farael.

"We should not take it for granted that the heroes would join a bandwagon," he also said. I think he's right about that.

(post #145) Here's the "scary" post I told you about above. Perhaps there's something we can glean from the reasons he said he's "sure" I'm innocent. Perhaps not. But see for yourself. 1. I agree with allmost anything she says, she is just better to get the message across than I am.

2. She does not seem eager about making people follow her path, but just states what she thinks and then let people decide. (others can be very agressive tryong to convince people that they are right)

3. She refusses to jump on a bandwagon unless there is a reaseon, she is the only one actually cuestioning the one on Noona. While others has just continued as if it was the most natural thing in the world.

Also, he almost removes Nonna from his list, but still finds it odd that he seemed to vote with vengeance by voting for one who originally voted for him (i.e. dancing spawn). For some reason this makes me suspect Nonna a bit more.

Farael, he said, seems reasonable on one hand but rather sneaky on the other. Then he says he has an odd feeling about Formendacil. With this maybe I can peg Formendacil as an innocent werewolf.

(post #146) His desperation post as he accuses Formendacil on rather shaky grounds, and admits it's no great case. Now I'm sure Formendacil's a true wolf...unless this is more deception.

(post #150) Most remarkable here is his defensiveness for being ranked by Wayne as third most suspicious. Perhaps Wayne is innocent...or more clever than we think?

(post #165) Insists that he doesn't trust me, but simply does not suspect me (turns out we think alike, or so he says), specially due to the fact that I merely speak my mind and am not persuasive.

Well, that's the end of that. There was little to go on, but I think he's revealed more than he means to. We shall see.

[Lhunardawen]

Well, well, Farael, giving up the fight already are we? Let me tell you this, you remind me of someone I know: me. Therefore I think you really are innocent. Not that that made sense.

The time is drawing near for me to leave, and so I will once again think back and think well. Then vote.

[Lhunardawen]

Well, I'm rather unwilling to vote for Nonnacedak just yet. I know I haven't mentioned him much toNight but he really doesn't sit well with me. He fits in with Rune's categorization of the heroes anyway, if we'll believe him.

++GURTHANG

[Gurthang]

Now I recall Gurthang saying something about a shadow of his named Meneltarmacil. I will not be quick to say anything conclusive regarding that, but I believe that in this scenario if anyone is likely to be supected more it is Gurthang. Although it's funny that Menel doesn't seem to have noticed this comment...maybe he's just shrugged it off or something, I don't know. I'm inclined to think that Menel is a werewolf what with all his helpfulness and his being instrumental to the discovery of Rune's heroism but these heroes can be incredibly tricksy...

I'd like to note that I put this really as a side thought. Hence me not being suspicious of Meneltarmacil. I had just found it (some of the posting) as strange. First, I posted mocking suspicion of Nonna for being a scavenger. Menel did the same shortly after. I also seem to remember him saying something about there being one hero vote for Glirdan, one for Nonna, and one for another werewolf. I had said much the same a little earlier. I think there was one other thing, I don't remember, but I had just found those a little odd. Maybe we are simply thinking along the same lines, but I thought I'd just say it since I had noticed it.

My vote is still between Farael and Nonnacedak. I'm going to glance through the posts and see what they said about Rune. I don't think I'll have time tonight to do the cross-referencing I'd hoped.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

My apologies for not being around earlier.

I will also apologise for being so useless up to now. With all my recent treachery in the lands of Beleriand and Middle-earth I had forgotten just how difficult it is to discover the secrets of traitors. I can make little sense of what has happened so far. I am utterly clueless as to who the Heroes are; however I am fairly certain of the identity of two innocents and, now, three gifteds.

I'll be back on in a little while with my suspect list.

[Farael]

I could vote for Gurthang to save my furry face, but has anyone noted the lack of real arguments Menel has had against me?

He basically went for defending me for being just a little different to suspecting me because I say little. This change of mind also happened after Huan was revealed, and I must admit that I could have been confusing for some honest wolves searching for the truth. He was also the first one to vote for Rune, so he could not know we would actually devour Rune after all. Here's an interesting tidbit I found on post number 187

It seems my theory may have been correct. Rune, "Hero #3," is now dead, and that leaves Heroes 1 and 2, at least one of which likely voted for Glirdan the first round. I find it unlikely that one of them voted for Rune, at least not early on. (my emphasis)

Was he not the first one to vote for Rune? I might be mistaken as it is quite late and I might have the context wrong, but I was going over his posts looking for any serious reasons for suspecting me and I have found this instead. Also, he did vote Gilrdan on the first night, for those of you suspecting someone from that group of voters (in which I'm included)

Having a retaliatory vote is not exactly what I need right now but if anyone, my suspect included, explains to me both his lack of reasons for voting this innocent man and his slip up regarding Rune's devouring, I shall publicly apologise to...

++Meneltarmacil

[Farael]

Just read Gurthang's last post.... perhaps my little recolection of facts against Menel will change your views of his 'innocence'? it seems you have some evidence -circumstantial, as all evidence we seem to have- against him.

[Gurthang]

Hmm... puzzles... let me see.

Eomer, I already see that you believe Oddwen and Kath innocent (but not gifted). I'm inclined to agree with you there. You said you (thought you) knew two gifted, and now three. The possible third person jumping to my mind is Farael, who hinted earlier at being gifted. I don't know whether to believe Farael or not, his post really made little difference in my suspicion. It could just as easily be a hero bluff as a gifted hint, although for some reason I feel that I should want to believe him gifted (if that makes sense). If you do speak of Farael, please explain; why do you believe him?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

There would have been absolutely no good reason for a Hero-Farael to say what he said. He could well have died soon before, but now he will certainly die soon.

Check out Rune's post #127 (I think that's the right number—it's about there, anyway). Maybe it's just the strange wording, but he seems to be saying:

1) I voted for Wayne.

2) I didn't really suspect Wayne.

3) I believe him innocent.

4) And then ignores him.

It's as if Rune is implying that we should all presume Wayne's innocence, at a time when Rune's guilt was very much secret.

This strikes me as a clumsy attempt to cross swords with each other, and then reconcile soon after; so that when the guilt of one was found, the innocence of t'other would be presumed.

Now, this theory is clearly unworthy due to the lack of content in Wayne's posts. I will have a quick scurry and try to find any evidence in his words. There's a good chance that Wayne is an innocent bystander here, but I'll try to judge that by reviewing his posts. I'll be back in a few minutes.

[Gurthang]

Voting:

Farael: 1
Nonnacedak: 1
Gurthang: 2
Meneltarmacil: 1

Votes left: 14

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Yeah, my above theory is rather dreadful. :rolleyes: I just thought I'd point out the post from Rune, which I find very strange. (By the way, it's #126)

I have no idea who to vote for. There are several I think innocent but none that I think particularly guilty. Mormegil's snappiness and willingness to fight just about everyone makes me uneasy but then he is a famous loudmouth and this could well be just his way.

So I'm going to vote for someone whose death will, I think, give us the most information. Back soon.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nonna? No. Bandwagon reason.

Menel? No. Other reason.

Farael? No. Obviously.

Gurthang? Perhaps, but he already has 2 votes.

Introduce one more to the list? Yes. To spread it out and see where the votes come from more clearly.

(Sorry, his death might not give us the most information, but it will arrange the current votes in an interesting way.)

Plus, I certainly don't presume him innocent.

++WAYNE THE GOBLIN

[Farael]

Some people seems to have guessed what I never meant to imply. When I said that I would not be the only one regretting my loss I meant to say that you werewolves (and warg) would regret devouring an innocent.

Yet it seems that comment was more of a freudian slip for now I gather I have given myself out as gifted. Now you shall all know the truth for I will play a dangerous game. I said that I'm no werewolf and I did not lie to you. I should have said I am not just about any other werewolf for I am mightyer than our crabby old wolf. I am Carcharoth the powerful, Carcharoth the mighty. I shall give my life for my Dark Lord Sauron, for I know that the good Draugluin will not be able to protect him to-night.

I know some of you will say I am just bluffing, that I picked up on what Gurthang said and now I'm posing as the mighty wolf. But mark my words, fellow werewolves, should I be devoured tonight it will be a big loss for all of us.

I am a little concerned over Gurthang and Eomer pretty much talking to each other, but given that it is fairly late in North America and fairly early in England, it might just be that they know they are the only ones around on that timezone.

Still, unless someone convinces me of Meneltarmacil's innocence, I shall take him down with me when I'm dead. I have no hopes of surviving to-morrow, but I will gladly give my life for my Dark Lord.

I will love to see Meneltarmacil devoured and to get an oportunity to slay the remaining Hero when I fall, victory shall yet be ours!!

Voice your thoughts, howl at me and curse me for revealing myself in such fashion but there is still enough moonlight and enough uncasted votes to finish this deal before the sun sets.

Finally, I'd like to say that I shall not ask for the other gifteds to speak up as this has been my choice, or rather my reaction to the fact that some people seem to have picked up my secret.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRAAARRRRRRRRRR I shall taste hero blood.

Note: Eomer voted before I could wrap up this post. I'm sorry, for I would have wanted you to re-consider your vote in light of this facts... you say Meneltarmacil to be Innocent? enlighten me.

[Gurthang]

In response to Eomer's suspicion of Wayne, I do have something to say. I hope I'm not blowing something here, but I think that Wayne is either Sauron or a hero.

Let me explain. Usually, in his first post of a game, Wayne hints what his role is, usually with capital letters or bolded letters spelling something out. I specifically noticed that he did not this game. The only reasons he wouldn't are if he were a hero or Sauron. I know he's been a Ranger or Hunter before and still gave his hint.

But which is he? I'm not sure, but I do find it a bit strange that Wayne first mentions Eomer, and now Eomer is suddenly making a case against Wayne. If Wayne is a hero, then Eomer is likely innocent. If Wayne is Sauron, then perhaps Eomer is a hero.

Now, most of that is speculation, and really leaves us just wondering what to do about it. For myself, I need to get some sleep, so I won't be making a descision about this toNight.


So, back to my descision between Farael and Nonnacedak. I went through the thread quickly, and hardly found any interaction between Rune and either of the two in question. Here's what I've got:

Rune(#68)-lets both Nonna and Farael be for their newness.
Nonnacedak(#121)-notes my ‘odd’ switch to Rune on Day 1
Farael(#132)-tells Rune that ‘everyone can be a hero’
Nonnacedak(#180)-says he’ll vote B88 or Spawn because they have not voted Rune either night
Nonnacedak(#197)-again mentions my Day 1 switch from himself to Rune
Farael(#212)-notes how Menel was first to vote for Rune on Day 2


Through this, I've found more scraps to add to Nonna's evidence pile(which has grown quite a bit), and I've actually become less suspicious of Farael. His recent posts have been making sense to me and seem to be innocent. I also want to believe what he says in post #206. So, that being said:

++Nonnacedak

Even if Nonnacedak proves to be a hero, I still wouldn't count out Spawn and Boromir completely. For my reasoning in this, see post #198.

[Gurthang]

Farael, I have nothing against your choice. I really am the ever so slightest bit suspicious of Menel, so I do not object. I'm sorry if I have pushed you out. I am glad though, that I did not vote for you. Happy Hunting.

Eomer's vote is interesting. It looks like the end of this Night may reveal quite a great deal. Good luck fellow wolves. Let us hope that Draugluin is lucky again during the Day.

[Farael]

Don't feel sorry Gurthang for I might have not noticed that I had posted something that hinted at my giftedness. That is not what I meant but if I am to be slayed by the heroes I shall take one with me. Or more, if my suspicions against Menel are true and I can convince more people to vote against him.

Sauron's orders would be much appreciated, but I will not ask him to reveal himself just yet.

[Gurthang]

First off, Voting:

Farael: 1
Nonnacedak: 2
Gurthang: 2
Meneltarmacil: 1
Wayne: 1

Votes left: 7

(I just realized earlier that there wer 9 votes left and I accidentally put 14 left.)

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

It could just as easily be a hero bluff as a gifted hint, although for some reason I feel that I should want to believe him gifted (if that makes sense).There's also a third possibility -- that Farael is an innocent acting a gifted and if he won't die toNight, he will offer himself to the Heroes to kill and gives the gifteds another Day to do what they're supposed to do.

Nonnac has now voted for Gurthang even though he was so eager to get someone killed from the 'Nonnac bandwagon' - did he get scared of Boromir's theory and is now trying to look less guilty? There has been much talk about Nonnac, Gurthang and Farael today. Of all these, Nonnac looks most suspicious, but I'm not so sure that I would vote yet. I have to look more closely at people who have slipped under my radar, because those villagers make most dangerous enemies.

EDIT: Obviously cross-posted with Farael and a couple of other people, too. I have no reason to question Farael's confession.

[Mithalwen]

++FARAEL

Meneltarmacil is innocent. 100% certain.

I am now convinced that Farael is a wolf. If he is the hunter he is severely misguided. Either way we are better off with him dead.

[Mithalwen]

By the way I haven't had time to analyse the posts since my return but I think Gurthang is innocent.

[Mithalwen]

If you save his life now, Menel or I will die tonight for I am Draugluin and I protected Menetarmacil yesterday. As I said in my first post of the night I realised when Rune was shown to be a hero how wrong I was. I believed him to be Sauron. Now I think Gurthang might be. I speak now for it is desparate. I cannot protect Menel today but I will protect him tonight.

On the first night I protected Eomer. As I said on Night one I trusted him most then doubted. I nearly chose Saucepan Man - thank Melkor I changed my mind. Tthe clinching reason for my vote on Night one was that if SPM were innocent he would need my protection - my vote would protect my identity.

I swear I speak the truth. I do not expect to live another night - maybe one... but the pack must be saved. Trust me.... you know how bad I am at lying.......

Please, please save Menel.

[Boromir88]

Well what interesting progressions we have going on. My vote should be no surprise to anyone here...

++Nonnacedak

Of things that transpired lately.

To Farael, our master Carcaroth, I would not go after Meneltarmacil tonight. However, you are the one with the choice, so do what you feel right. Myself personally would not go after Meneltarmacil. Even though I did notice that he changed from defending you when I accused you, to now accusing you, I still don't see him as a hero. My suggestion to you would be to get rid of the two people who have been the most suggested (Nonnacedak and Gurthang). Meaning say if we eat Nonnacedak, you bring Gurthang down at night, or the other way around. This way we don't get hampered down in voting by the other one the next day. If these are the villages two biggest suspects, we go after them, not for other personal reasons. Though again, you are the one with the decision, I would do things differently, but afterall it's up to you.

I doubt you will die tonight, unless of course you pick someone who is not a hero, then the heroes would be more than glad to kill you. I'm almost tempted to tell you not to go on the hunt tonight, for the risk of killing an innocent wolf, but at the worst taking down another gifted. If you are going out for the kill, my suggestion would be to go after Gurthang or Nonnacedak, which ever one isn't eaten by us.

[Boromir88]

Wow slow day but surely a grand finale ending.

Lady Mith, I suspected you as a gifted, though a different one at that. While I understand your urgency in defending Meneltarmacil, I don't see your blood-rush hastiness in voting Farael, and I see it as a very unwise move. I doubt Farael's move here is one of a hero, as you say just a misguided Carcharoth, who thought he found something. You rushing to Menel's aid to prevent his death (atleast by Carcharoth tonight) is noble, but your vote for Farael is puzzling to me. If he be Carcharoth, like he says he is, what's the reason for your vote for him? You could have saved Meneltarmacil from Carcharoth's claws tonight without hastily voting for someone who most likely is Carcharoth.

[WaynetheGoblin]

++FEAREL
Evryone can be a hero yea right I am in a rush and got to go good bye.

[Mithalwen]

Because he went on a fishing trip last night and when told how bally stupid it would be to claim to be Sauron he claims to be Carcharoth and to go after the one certain innocent. Why suddenly does noone suspect him? I KNOW Menel is innocent, the wolves know he is innocent. Farael claims to be Carcharoth, saves his miserable skin and theheroes get another crack at an innocent today. Tomorrow you are two innocent wolves down and it is game on again for the heroes. Either Farael is a hero or he is stupid.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I am now convinced that Farael is a wolf.Okay... well, now I'm confused. I, too, think that there are much better choices to bring down than Menel, if Charcharoth gets the chance to kill, but why did Mith vote for Farael if she believes that Farael is innocent? I don't doubt Mith being Draugluin, but I just don't get that. I trust in Mith, but I don't know what to do now. I'm still somewhat suspicious of Nonnac and Gurthang's theory of Wayne and Eomer is interesting (though I wasn't aware that Wayne had a habit like that). But I'd like to know, what on earth is going on in this village right now.

edit: Cross-posted with Mith. I assume that she meant to say that she's convinced that Farael is a hero, not a wolf... That would make more sense.

[Boromir88]

Why would a hero, trying to pass himself off as Carcharoth, claim he would "hunt for" the very person he tried to kill that night, knowing it was unsuccessful and the Ranger had protected that person?

If Farael was the fake Carcharoth, it just doesn't make sense to say he's going to kill the very person he unsuccessfully killed last night?

No, Farael's move does not seem like a fake Carcharoth, just a misled Carcharoth. Being Carcharoth he would have no idea that you protected Meneltarmacil, or that the Heroes went after him. It seems like Farael was acting on suspicions that Meneltarmacil had been hypocritical and switched from defending him, to now wanting to eat him.

If Farael was a hero in disguise of Carcharoth, I very much doubt he would chose to pick the same person they tried to whack last night. Just seems like Farael has been misguided and believed Menel was guilty, as we find out he's not and I tell Farael the same plan as I said in an earlier post. Go after Nonna, or Gurthang, whoever we don't eat. Though now it looks like we'll have a mass murder anyone unless someone breaks this tie.

[Mithalwen]

OK. I don't believe I exposed myself to get this response. Do what you have to to save Menel even if you don't kill Farael.

Read back... why do you suddenly trust him?... I feel like Judith in life of Brian.

I know my time is nearing it's end. Save Menel and yourselves. Basically I know Menel is innocent therefore anyone threatening him is my enemy whatever they say they are.

Farewell

[Mithalwen]

And even in the highly unlikely scenario that he is Carcharoth he is more use dead than alive so it is win / win as long as he doesn't kill the known innocent...........

[Kath]

All of this today has me greatly confused. From what I've gathered we have Farael saying he's Carcharoth and Mith saying she's Draugluin. So the only Gifted left in hiding is Sauron?

Right now I would dearly love to kill Wayne for pure unhelpfulness! Eomer's theory would give me an excuse . . . though speaking of Eomer, it would be great if he could give a list of those he suspects since he seems to have figured out who half the village is. It might help narrow things down.

However, that won't change this tie. How many votes are left? 4? I can hang on right til the deadline which might be better than voting now. I am most likely to vote for Farael. As Mith says she knows Menel is innocent and so it is important to vote for someone who might threaten his life. And if Farael dies tonight but doesn't decide to take Menel with him, well, he might just get a Hero which would be a great help.

[Boromir88]

Wow, mass cross-posting, I'm glad I have the whole day off from any killing. :p

Now if Farael is a hero I will look strangely stupid.

I know this seems suspicious, but it seems like any one of these people's lives are in danger of the Heroes tonight, so I'm just coming out with it.

Obviously if Mith protected Meneltarmacil, and the Heroes went after him they both thought he was Sauron. Which may explain why Menel has suddenly changed to suspecting Farael, he may have spotted something. (that is if he is Sauron). How do we know that he is Sauron though? It could just be that both the Ranger and the Heroes were mistaken?

I have direct insight from the Lord Melkor himself. Being the Pack Exorcist, and a loyal servant of Morgoth the Dark, I of all people should know Melkor's biddings and have the insight directly from the First Dark Lord himself as to what his will is for us. Lord Melkor will not be pleased by these unfoldings today. We have given the upperhand to the heroes. There is mass confusion and questioning. Who's Sauron? Who's Carcharoth? Who are the heroes? Who's to die? And we have ended with a tie in the voting (one of which is probably Carcharoth-Farael who unless around can not change his mind and not kill Meneltarmacil).

So unless if someone breaks this tie I fully expect Nonna (who if I have the interpretted the sign from my Lord correct actually is a hero), but expect the death of our Carcharoth Hunter, and another innocent Meneltarmacil.

I hope this makes some sense. IF Farael turns out to be a hero, I will look utterly stupid. But, I believe he is Carcharoth, if this tie is not broken, he will be eaten along with most likely another innocent (Meneltarmacil) since Farael is not around to change his "prey." If this scenario turns out as bad as it look, Melkor has cursed us and we must be in his debt tomorrow if we want to see victory.

[Boromir88]

The only problem is Kath, if there remains (between Nonna and Farael) a tie in this voting, Farael's last victim to chose will be killed. Therefor, he won't have the night to chose a new victim. Unless Farael is around to quickly change his victim, the last person he chose (which seems most likely to be Meneltarmacil) will go down with him.

So, either I'm proven totally stupid and Farael is a hero, and everything turns out good.

Or, as my Lord Melkor has given me the forsight, that Farael is Carcharoth, and if this tie remains the last victim he chose will go down with him for the eating. Or, if the tie is broken and Farael is eaten, the last victim he chose will go down with him. He won't have the night phase to change his target. If Farael is eaten, and he's not around to quickly change his mind, it's likely his victim is Meneltarmacil and will go down for an eating alongside him.

[Kath]

Farael: 3
Nonnacedak: 3
Gurthang: 2
Meneltarmacil: 1
Wayne: 1

Oh Boromir! Why did you have to go and say that! I don't really believe that you would stick up so for a fellow Hero so I can only conclude that you are innocent and Nonna is a Hero. I appear to be the only one who hasn't voted who is actually here so it's up to me to break the tie. If I vote for Farael and he dies and kills Menel that's two of our side gone. If I vote Nonna and he's innocent and then the Heroes kill Farael and he takes Menel with him that's three of our side gone.

I'm hoping Farael will have time to change his mind if we don't sentence him to the death so:

++NONNA

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Votes:

Menel -> Farael
Formendacil -> Nonnac
Nonnac -> Gurthang
Lhuna -> Gurthang
Farael -> Menel
Eomer -> Wayne
Gurthang -> Nonnac
Mith -> Farael
Boromir -> Nonnac
Wayne -> Farael
Kath -> Nonnac

That's all, I think. So, 3 for Nonnacedak and 3 for Farael. Four votes left, anybody can still end up devoured. I believe both Mith and Farael are really what they claim to be, but it's true that Charcharoth is most useful dead if they happen to kill a hero with them.

Edit: And cross-posted again... *sigh* I hadn't realized that Farael (if he's Carcharoth) might not have the chance to change his pick. And Kath has now voted for Nonnac.

[mormegil]

Gurthang or Nonna?

Any tips wolves?

[mormegil]

++Nonna

Sorry old lad.

Though I would like to vote for Wayne for his seeming lack of reading.

Evryone can be a hero yea right I am in a rush and got to go good bye.

Even if he is innocent this is death worthy and I cannot believe he would vote Farael at this stage. It forces me to vote for Nonna, whom I think is innocent.

I still think Gurthang to be guilty and would like him gone.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I think it's my responsibility to vote for

++Nonnacedak

so that no-one can pop up and make a tie between him and Farael knowing that we'd lose two innocents at once (I still believe that Farael was sincere and I haven't suspected Menel at all). Okay, it's still possible to make a tie, but not probable.

Edit: Guess what! Cross-posting... again...

[Anguirel]

As in the usual way of things, the wolf o' nine tails was cut off by the howling of the dark tempest that heralded Devouring Hour...

I sense that secrets have been ripped to shreds. Now flesh will be also!

Voting closed. Night 3 ending soon.

[Anguirel]

The conference of the wolf pack was strangely bewildered and flustered on this ight-even though, for once, it was not reacting to a killing. It was as if the regular corpses found as dusk settled had been an oddly familiar, stabilising influence, an axis around which action could move. Faced with no such murder, the wolves were confused, even dismayed.

When Farael began to start a movement against Meneltarmacil, accusing him of "lacking pack spirit", all Angband started to break loose.

"Menel is Sauron and I'm Draugluin!" Mithalwen growled defensively.

"Well I'm Carcharoth!" Farael retorted. "You may have whelped me, mumsie, but I'm a lot bigger than you..."

As the great wolves, their hackles rising, started to spring together, while Eomer chased Wayne and the latter chased a fairy, Gil-Gurth raised his paw.

"We nearly mangled Nonnacedak on the first night! I say we were right then!"

Their lupine nerves shaken, clutching for some kind of sanity as their temper and hunger reared out of restraint, the pack, as one, turned on the luckless scavenger.

"You spared me before!" he shrieked, his voice high-pitched and desperate. "Do it again, please! For yur own good! My power is awesome," he continued unconvincingly, "I'm, er, Sauron! I'm Thuringwethil! I'm Maedhros the Tall! I'm Finrod Felagund! Don't hurt me and I won't hurt..."

At this point mormegil ripped off his forepaw, and the relntless tearing and biting began. It did not cease till the sun began to rise. The wolves looked up from the innocent corpse they were mauling, and remembered the dire words of Huan the Hound:

"Aure entuluva! Day shall come again!"


Dead

Anguirel (Werewolf)-throat cut as he slept on Day 1
Glirdan (Werewolf)-devoured on Night 1
The Saucepan Man (Huan)-murdered by mischance on Day 2
Rune Son Of Bjarne (Dwarven Hero)-drowned in the Sirion through Kitanna's treachery on Night 2
Kitanna (Werewolf)-beheaded in Rune's last act of vengeance on Night 2
Nonnacedak (Werewolf)-mauled mercilessly on Night 3


Living

Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
Formendacil-Lobo
Farael-Werewolf In Denial
Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Tails
Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
Kath-Runt of the Litter
Mithalwen-Alpha Female
Meneltarmacil-Lone Wolf
Wayne-Fairy Hunter

Well, Day has come again. It will end at 2:00 pm GMT tomorrow. I and Cailin need names from Sauron, Draugluin, Carcharoth and the remaining Heroes.

[Anguirel]

Nonnacadak's stash of unappetising, but nevertheless to wolves appealing, scavenged left-overs had been discovered while his corpse was still being maimed, and the new source of sustenance had led to yet another wild wolvish revel, with howling and Orc-chasing into the early hours of daylight itself. Only the most farsighted of the pack went to their bloody sleeping pallets with foreboding persistently gnawing at their innards.

When the hateful craft of Arien had at last sped its course, mormegil, as the most senior wolf in attendance, and the worst-tempered, if not the largest, called his fellow-lycanthropes to a new meeting-place, at a rocky outcrop overhanging the rushing river, a short distance from where the Dwarf Lord had drowned. Boromir88 had decreed that all further wolfmoots should take place here, in order that the hidden heroes might be disheartened.

But there was one thing about this outcrop that only one wolf, Meneltarmacil, knew. There was a crevice in its centre which could easily be crawled into and left safely, which the Lone Wolf had discovered long ago. He knew and loved this lurking-spot; it provided him with protection from the coldness of the wind, while letting him feel it in his whiskers; and it hid him from the sight of the company he shunned.

He had, it became apparent to the twelve remaining wolves, died here; the struggle had widened the crevice and made it more noticeable. A vast stake had been thrust into the crack, and the Lone Wolf's decapitated head had been impaled with it, the empty eyes staring at the company.

Empty eyes? A punishment usually practiced by wolves on village seers! So Meneltarmacil, the wolves shuddered, must have been their Seer-in other words, Sauron himself!

As a moan of despair began to leap up, a voice of unspeakable power sounded in their dark minds.

They thought they had slain me. But I walk among you still. The guileless Heroes fell straight into my trap. The Lone Wolf was but one of my minions, and of no account!


Dead

Anguirel (Werewolf)-throat cut as he slept on Day 1
Glirdan (Werewolf)-devoured on Night 1
The Saucepan Man (Huan)-murdered by mischance on Day 2
Rune Son Of Bjarne (Dwarven Hero)-drowned in the Sirion through Kitanna's treachery on Night 2
Kitanna (Werewolf)-beheaded in Rune's last act of vengeance on Night 2
Nonnacedak (Werewolf)-mauled mercilessly on Night 3
Meneltarmacil (Werewolf)-hacked to pieces and impaled by Heroes on Day 4


Living

Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
Formendacil-Lobo
Farael-Werewolf In Denial
Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Tails
Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
Kath-Runt of the Litter
Mithalwen-Alpha Female
Wayne-Fairy Hunter

Wolves, it's now Night 4. Determine who did the deed, or fear more reprisals by Day!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, I missed the chaos yesterday but I was extremely disheartened reading it. We're showing every sign of throwing this away.

I might as well share what my guesses were. I too thought that Meneltarmacil was the Seer and I also thought that Boromir88 was the Hunter. Menel was clearly insightful and his work ensured the ongoing protection of the Seer. Kudos to you, brave wolf! I am very prepared to trust Boromir88 for the time being.

What we really need at the start of this night, though, is clarity regarding the dispute between our self-proclaimed gifteds. If you would be so kind to eliminate this confusion, Mithalwen and Farael.

[Mithalwen]

What is the point - noone listens?

[Boromir88]

If Meneltarmacil turned out to be Sauron I would be seriously suspecting Farael because it would explain his change from defending him to suddenly suspecting him, but now that he is not Sauron I still have my doubts.

What is the point - noone listens?
Unless you know something we don't know, I take Farael's Carcharoth claim as genuine. In any event, however I will be watching him closely.

Gurthang and Wayne top my list today. Gurthang for reasons I explained yesterday, and Wayne for his tying vote for Farael as morm has pointed out. Eomer, you have also been unusually quiet for yourself, I hope you step out more to help us with this task.

[Mithalwen]

Well I am fairly sure Gurthang is at least innocent. But I would be surprised if I am not dead tonight so it is your necks that are on the line ... I am reading everything again but at the moment I think I shall probably vote the same way again.

Wayne at least listened to me. I really feel I sacrificed my self for nothing.