Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVI: No man is an Island

[Gurthang]

Know innocents in bold; known wolf (and cobbler) is underlined.

Day 1

Azaelia - Menel (Menel-1)
Alcarillo - Garin (Menel-1, Garin-1)
Nilp - Nilp (Menel-1, Garin-1, Nilp-1)
Lhuna - Nilp (Nilp-2, Menel-1, Garin-1)
Amana - Kuru (Nilp-2, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1)
Gil-galad - Nilp (Nilp-3, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1)
malkatoj - Nilp (Nilp-4, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1)
Farael - Eluchil (Nilp-4, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1)
Naria - Nilp (Nilp-5, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1)
Rune - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1, Gil-Galad-1)
TGWBS - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-2, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1)
Menel - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-3, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1)
Valier - Eluchil (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-3, Eluchil-2, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1)
Kuru - Garin (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-3, Eluchil-2, Garin-2, Menel-1, Kuru-1)
Cailín - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-4, Eluchil-2, Garin-2, Menel-1, Kuru-1)
Gurthang - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-5, Eluchil-2, Garin-2, Menel-1, Kuru-1)
Garin - Gil-Galad (Gil-Galad-6, Nilp-5, Eluchil-2, Garin-2, Menel-1, Kuru-1)

No vote:
Kath
Eluchil

Day 2
Alcarillo - Cailín (Cailín-1)
Lhuna - Eluchil (Cailín-1, Eluchil-1)
Amana - Lhuna (Cailín-1, Eluchil-1, Lhuna-1)
Nilp - Cailín (Cailín-2, Eluchil-1, Lhuna-1)
Farael - Garin (Cailín-2, Eluchil-1, Lhuna-1, Garin-1)
malkatoj - Lhuna (Cailín-2, Lhuna-2, Eluchil-1, Garin-1)
Rune - Garin (Cailín-2, Lhuna-2, Garin-2, Eluchil-1)
TGWBS - Lhuna (Lhuna-3, Cailín-2, Garin-2, Eluchil-1)
Naria - Cailín (Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Garin-2, Eluchil-1)
Azaelia - Garin (Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Garin-3, Eluchil-1)
Cailín - Eluchil (Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Garin-3, Eluchil-2)
Valier - Garin (Garin-4, Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Eluchil-2)
Kuru - Garin (Garin-5, Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Eluchil-2)
Garin - Lhuna (Garin-5, Lhuna-4, Cailín-3, Eluchil-2)
Gurthang - Garin (Garin-6, Lhuna-4, Cailín-3, Eluchil-2)

No vote:
Eluchil
Farael

Day 3
Alcarillo - Nilp (Nilp-1)

I believe that that is all correct. Please inform me if it isn't.

Just to remind you, Farael, you didn't vote yesterDay, so you must do so toDay. We cannot afford a repeat performance of yesterDay.

(So much for half an hour... more like twice that.)

Analysis coming soon.

[Gurthang]

Whoa! My mistake!

Farael, you did vote yesterday.

It was Meneltarmacil who missed the vote. Menel please vote toDay or we will lose you. (Unless you are a wolf, then go ahead and don't vote. :p )

So the lists are still correct, except for the 'No vote:' after Day 2.

[Farael]

At this moment, I’m not sure I favor the Seer coming forward even if they do have the name of a wolf. If the name they have is Nilpaurion, he stands a fair chance of getting the chop toDAY anyway. I don’t want the Seer put at risk for that when he/she would be in a position to find out another name from Nilpaurion. However, if the name is somebody else than Nilp, then Nilp’s status is still at issue and we have to find out about that anyway. The Seer can (hopefully) come forward with the name later, whether Nilp is a wolf or not.

Of course, it is also pretty likely that the Seer only has the names of innocents. This is certainly useful knowledge that I don’t particularly want, even temporarily, lost before the Apprentice could pick it up.

Obviously, the Seer will have to make the decision, but for the moment I would strongly urge caution.

Of course the Seer is the one to decide, but I was putting forward my theory specially in case we happen to have someone acting as the seer who is new to this.... situations. Not that I'm an expert myself. Yet my reasoning was that IF the Seer knew a werewolf he/she should come out... and obviously, if that know werewolf is Nilp, I'd wait it out this night so that I can ask him about someone else.

Having said that, I'm not sure if we should all just concentrate on Nilp as that'd mean that the werewolves can hide in the possibly massive bandwagon.... I'd suggest everyone entretains at least another theory, both to stimulate conversation and make it harder for the furry mammals with big teeth to hide among us.

[Lhunardawen]

My suggestion is this: Lynch Nilpaurion Felagund toDay, while having the Seer ask Garin whether Lhuna's a wolf during the Night.
Then the Seer, under the protection of the Ranger, asks Garin about Lhuna.Oh, please do, Seer. For everyone's peace, dream of me and clear my name.

Besides, I'm pretty certain the Seer has enough smarts to ask Garin already; after all, what could Gil, Kath, and Eluchil tell them that would be of any real help? Odds are, as Kuru said, they were able to ask only about an innocent and not a wolf.

But I do agree with all those who say that it's best for them to hold their peace until they catch a werewolf. Hopefully when they do declare themself, the Ranger would be around to protect them for two days tops, and then have the Apprentice take their place.

I'm not very sure about this whole lynching Nilp idea. Rather let's look towards those who are under the radar, and of them I'd like to suggest scrutinizing malkatoj, Naria, and the guy who be short.

I'll be posting a Naria analysis shortly. If anyone would, please do the same for the other two, or for someone else.

[Lhunardawen]

[tgwbs] My, my aren't we a little bold. It seems to be a bit abrupt to be away from the meeting for so long and come in with tail feathers all ruffled. Why are you so defensive for Nilp? I'm not accusing you of anything,but it seems to me like you are trying to keep us away from something you may know...hmmm like a wolf maybe.

That being said I will cast my vote:
++ Nilpaurion Felagund

It is a little more than suspicious to me for him to be jumping into the fire like he did.Am I the only one who finds this post scarily odd? There's just something about that non-commital suspicion of tgwbs that sent a chill down my spine.


I thought their sudden votes to be extremely suspicious. I was accused of jumping on a bandwagon and not having a good enough reason for my vote. Then those same people(except for Farael) turned around and made their own bandwagon and for no apparent good reason they all voted for someone that I thought really didn't attract too much attention to himself(with the one post). *tisk tisk* Poor Gil-Galad.

I'm assuming that this is going to attract some kind of attention for myself beit good or bad, but I thought I should get that out there. That being said I don't know at this point whom I'm going to vote for as of yet for the day has only just begun.

Cailin and Meneltarmacil are getting kind of cozy in their big furry coats. Maybe one is the Alpha Female and the other is the Alpha Male.....hmmmmI don't know about all of you, but there's something fishy about this post.

1. First paragraph she tries to wriggle out of the suspicion initially cast upon her and other Nilp-voters, then suspects the Gil-voters in return. I sense too much handwashing in this post, it's eerie.

Well, she did say that she knows she would be attracting suspicion for saying so, but that could be a bluff. She has to look helpful to survive, of course. Only she didn't seem to be quite helpful enough, not that I blame her (partly because I was worse than her that Day).

2. The mention of Cailin and Menel is just too self-clearing a frontal attack. Throw in two names in a curt accusation and you're already a big help to the village. Especially effective when you think you've attracted too much suspicion on yourself.


hehehe....at least we're all trying to find out who the ww are and not doing too much bickering(says with sarcasm).

Cailin stands out the most for me. She has consistentley posted after someone has said somthing about her with great defense. And, at least it seems to me, she is always trying to get the spotlight off of her and onto somebody else and noone in particular I might add. Quite the wolvish behaviour if ya ask me.

I can't really explain my vote any better than that so:

++CailinIronically, Cailin's being defensive attracted her more attention. A bit illogical, if you ask me, but maybe that's just me.

Plus, as I mentioned earlier, this pushed Cailin and me to a double-tie and for the moment saved Garin.


Okay, think I'm grasping at straws if you will. Partly I'm trying to make up for my uselessness the past Days, but for the most part I'm trying to spread some light towards the more dimly lit areas of this village.

[Gurthang]

Some Random Facts:

Voted for the wolf twice:
Kuru

Voted for the wolf once:
Azaelia, Alcarillo, Farael, Rune, Valier, Gurthang

Voted for a known innocent twice:
Cailín

Voted for a known innocent once:
Farael, Rune, TGWBS, Menel, Valier, Gurthang, Garin, Lhuna

Voted for two unknowns:
Nilp, Amanaduial, malkatoj, Naria

Tie-Creators:
Alcarillo votes Garin to tie him with Menel.
Nilp votes Nilp to tie him with Garin-Menel.
Amana votes Kuru to tie him with Garin-Menel.
Farael votes Eluchil to tie him with Garin-Menel-Kuru.
Rune votes Gil-Galad to tie him with Garin-Menel-Kuru-Eluchil.
Kuru votes Garin to tie him with Eluchil.
Gurthang votes Gil-Galad to tie him with Nilp.

Lhuna votes Eluchil to tie him with Cailín.
Amana votes Lhuna to tie her with Cailín-Eluchil.
Farael votes Garin to tie him with Eluchil-Lhuna.
malkatoj votes Lhuna to tie her with Cailín.
Rune votes Garin to tie him with Cailín-Lhuna.
Naria votes Cailín to tie her with Lhuna.
Azaelia votes Garin to tie her with Lhuna-Cailín.

Tie-Breakers:
Lhuna breaks Nilp from Menel-Garin-Nilp.
TGWBS breaks Gil-Galad from Menel-Garin-Kuru-Eluchil-Gil-Galad.
Valier breaks Eluchil from Menel-Garin-Kuru-Eluchil.
Kuru breaks Garin from Menel-Garin-Kuru.
Garin breaks Gil-Galad from Nilp-Gil-Galad.

Nilp breaks Cailín from Cailín-Eluchil-Lhuna.
malkatoj breaks Lhuna from Eluchil-Lhuna-Garin.
TGWBS breaks Lhuna from Cailín-Lhuna-Garin.
Naria breaks Cailín from Cailín-Garin.
Valier breaks Garin from Lhuna-Cailín-Garin.
Garin breaks Lhuna from Lhuna-Cailín.


Actual Analysis. (aka. trying to make sense out of the above mess.)

So, to make sense, here some more lists. :p

It seems to me that people who either broke a tie in favor of a wolf or brought someone into a tie with a wolf would be more likely to be wolves. So, with that in mind.

Broke in favor of wolf: Lhuna, TGWBS, Valier, malkatoj, TGWBS, and Naria.
Tied someone with wolf: Nilp(although this was himself, so I don't know if that really counts), Amanaduial, Farael, and Rune.

My thoughts so far are that I see TGWBS name twice. That also makes me see that above he voted for an innocent and an unknown.

So, the opposing list, which I'll have cancel names out.

Broke against wolf: Kuru and Valier.
Tied wolf with someone: Alcarillo, Kuru, Farael, Rune, and Azaelia.

That leaves:
Lhuna
TGWBS
malkatoj
Naria
Nilp
Amanaduial

Now, I know there are innocents in that list, and I know that there are no guaranteed wolves (I'm still planning on voting for Nilpaurion, so he'll stay at 1), but those are just the facts and conclusion I came up with. Now, if I put those into order by taking into account the above random facts and when their tie-creating/breaking occurs, I'd have them like this:

1. Nilpaurion
2.TGWBS
3.Lhuna
4.Naria
5.malkatoj
6.Amanaduial

I also notice that four of the people on the list, everone except TGWBS and Lhuna, have voted for two unknowns. Yet their voting shows that they aided (by chance or intent) the wolves.

[Lhunardawen]

Hopefully my posts above are enough to explain my vote. I still hope to be back later toDay, but there's a possibility I won't be able to, so

++NARIA

Please think well before you vote, fellow villagers.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, I'm finally quite pleased to see you drop your presumptions of my innocence just because I always have been innocent (and suicidal) in previous games. :)

I'll bask in the suspicion newly returned to me, and not reply to it, if you don't mind.

I find this odd, though:
However – even though Garin has voted for Lhuna right before his death, he was already convicted by then and it might have just been a clumsy attempt to make his fellow wolf look innocent in our naive eyes. (Cai)
Is this an attempt to mislead? There was this triple cross-post (check the times of the votes of Kuru, Garin, and Gurthang) so Garin thought he was making a tie with Lhuna. Why do that? Why take a fellow Werewolf with you to the grave? A great bluff? A silly one.

Although, under Formodacil's rule:
In the event of a tie, the first person to achieve the winning number of votes will be executed. (Form)

So, this vote wouldn't have killed Lhuna. Hmmm, but was he hoping for Menel to come and vote for Lhuna (as he had been repeatedly saying)?

It seems perfectly illogical to say that I am guilty because Garin defended me (okay, so I responded to your suspicions of me; sorry, incidental) but think Lhuna guilty because Garin voted for him. ILLOGICAL!

I may seem guilty as Morgoth (and I like that), but I think you're quite crazy to think Lhuna guilty. Cai, I still think you're lupine.

I shall return to post the rest of my observations. After all, if I were a Werewolf, I'll be leaving a veritable treasure trove of information. If not, well, at least you'll see that my supporting evidence will be first-rate and worth considering.

[Cailín]

Some quick notes, I shall return shortly with some more extended views.

Lhuna, I understand your vote for Naria and she was also on my possibly suspicious list, but I felt a little more strongly about some of the others. Your case seems to hold, though, even though you think you’re grasping straws. I shall think about it.

Kuru – I think you are indeed innocent, but I’m simply a little wary of you because I know how dwarfs can be. I do not agree with your feeling concerning Gurthang, but you’re right that those who voted for Garin should not get a get-out-of-jail-free-card all of the sudden.

Amanaduial – there are two reasons I am watching you a little closer. 1) Because of your voting pattern and 2) Because you are a little confusing at times. However, since I thought you clearly innocent yesterDay, I shall probably not be voting for you.

About our two silent fellows, TGWBS and Malkatoj… I find the former most worrisome because he does not even try to analyse some and apparently does not feel guilty for not helping us out at all. But – for now, it is still early - I would be in favour of lynching either Nilpaurion or Naria today.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A Case for Innocence

(Not for me, silly; it would be wasted keystrokes. Better make my death good though, Formodacil. Maybe something with pitchforks or trees or giant devouring spiders. :p )

Sorry, I lost my downloaded copy of the thread (which would have allowed me to analyse everything in the comfort of my home, instead of being harried by monetary considerations in internet cafés), so I couldn't do a proper case against someone. It would take more to convince of guilt than of innocence (for me, at least), so this is the best I could do. Hope it would suffice.

Most of the information here are based on the voting (and the resulting lynching of a Werewolf) that happened yesterDAY (qv. Appendix below).

Lhunardawen

I am almost completely sure of her innocence. Most of my arguments can be seen in post 258 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=439074&postcount=258). Also, I realised that her vote for me DAY 1 (which made me initially suspicious of her) was simply her seeing what some of you failed to see: Dice don't have memory, and neither do WW role assignments.

Valier

Rune Son of Bjarne

If either of these two were werewolves, they're very bold and smart (or the werewolves concocted an excellent sacrifice plan, although considering what the Seer could do with a dead Werewolf, it's highly unlikely.) They were the ones that gave impetus to the Garin bandwaggon.

Gurthang

He suggested quite a good plan early in the game, usually a good sign of a thinking, helpful villager. Plus, he was the one that sealed Garin's fate.

Kuruharan

He's the one I'm least sure of. He also was the vote that killed Garin, although, being more experienced, it could have been part of a Werewolvish plan. (He said in 222 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=438828&postcount=222) that he was monitoring the thread while posting, which suggests he knew that he'd cross-post.)

Appendix

DAY 2 votes with voting times (GMT). Possible cross-posts in groups.

05:55 Alcarillo- Cailín (Cailín 1)

08:47 Lhuna - Eluchíl (Cailín 1 - Eluchíl 1)

10:49 Amanaduial - Lhuna (Cailín 1 - Eluchíl 1 - Lhuna 1)

13:13 Nilp - Cailín (Cailín 2 - Eluchíl 1 - Lhuna 1)

19:22 Farael- Garin (Cailín 2 - Eluchíl 1 - Lhuna 1 - Garin 1)

19:50 malkatoj - Lhuna (Cailín 2 - Eluchíl 1 - Lhuna 2 - Garin 1)

20:16 Rune - Garin (Cailín 2 - Eluchíl 1 - Lhuna 2 - Garin 2)

20:30 TGWBS - Lhuna (Cailín 2 - Eluchíl 1 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 2)

21:39 Naria - Cailín (Cailín 3 - Eluchíl 1 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 2)

21:46 Azaelia - Garin (Cailín 3 - Eluchíl 1 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 3)
21:47 Cailín - Eluchíl (Cailín 3 - Eluchíl 2 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 3)
21:50 Valier - Garin (Cailín 3- Eluchíl 2 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 4)

21:58 Kuruharan - Garin (Cailín 3 - Eluchíl 2 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 5)
21:58 Garin - Lhuna (Cailín 3 - Eluchíl 2 - Lhuna 4 - Garin 5)
21:59 Gurthang - Garin (Cailín 3 - Eluchíl 2 - Lhuna 4 - Garin 6)

[Lhunardawen]

...know what that means?

*lets out a giant hoooowwwl*

Did you really think you could get rid of me just like that? Once a Lhunatic, always a Lhunatic - but this time I'll be more kind and just bother you on full moons.

And because of that pizza with helpfulness potion that I ate yesterDay, the scariest things you'll hear from me are a few Lhuny laughs and howls at the full moon.

*laughs Insanely*


About our two silent fellows, TGWBS and Malkatoj… I find the former most worrisome because he does not even try to analyse some and apparently does not feel guilty for not helping us out at all.If anything I agree with you, dear, especially concerning tgwbs. I mean, he used to be all talkative and all, casting suspicions around and almost getting himself lynched with his talkativeness. What's with the attitude change? Uncertain how to conceal his lupine traits?

*cackles* --> That's a new thing I learned from my long disappearance.

Anyways, that innocent list of Nilp's is very interesting. I should say we share a lot of similar opinions, and that makes me believe in his innocence more. Unless I'm the unfortunately gullible Estel to his Eomer, if you get my drift. *giggles*

Oh, and don't worry, I remain perfectly capable of creating those pizzas you so love, only now I have new potions available. There's this new Lhunacy potion pizza, if you want to howl as beautifully as I do.

*howls at the full moon*

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Don't worry, my dagang sister, you don't need to say I'm innocent. They'll just say we're in league and lynch us side by side (if that's possible. ;) )

This might be my last post in this here game, so I'd like to thank you, Farael, for you seem to see things in a better way. :)

And . . . My fair village, watch out for Alcarillo!

[Cailín]

Well, that took a little longer than I had expected.

I basically agree with your cases for innocents Nilp, though I had Alcarillo added to the list because I am quite convinced a wolf wouldn’t start Day 1 with a vote on another wolf. Of course, I could be wrong, but if I were Garin I would have been seriously ****ed off, especially since Alcarillo was not the only one to question Garin’s behaviour (rightly, we know now). Your list makes me doubt your guilt again, but I still think that lynching you might be a good idea, for you’re bound to confuse us all to no end anyway.

Your voting analysis is very helpful Gurthang, thanks. I’d say voting looks especially bad for Naria, but that’s only because I am a known innocent to myself.

I’m by now pretty convinced that Lhuna is innocent. Even though I had not previously considered this, Garin might be thinking to save himself or enforce a double lynching by his last minute vote for the lunatic. Since the rules for double lynching were sort of confusing for a while, I find it quite easy to believe Garin misunderstood. However, I don’t underestimate the ex-wolf and deep down I still have some doubts.

About the whole Seer thing… it worries me a little. I would suggest the Seer does not come forth unless he / she has crucial information. On the other hand, we still have an Apprentice and a Ranger as well, but the more people die, the likelier it becomes that the wolves pick out one of our Gifteds and so we cannot count on that strategy – the one Gurthang proposed on Day 1 - working anymore. Even if the Ranger defends the Seer, we might lose the Ranger or the Apprentice and with that a very valuable player. I suggest the Seer continues to lay low for today, unless he / she is certain we have the game in the bag. ;-)

Edit: had not expected anyone to post at this hour, so I cross-posted with Nilp's final dramatic message. Wonder what you mean about Alcarillo, though.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh look, Nilp defended me! This must mean we're in cahoots!

*laughs*

But please, I implore you, I think the lycans are cackling to themselves right now because they manage to hide beneath the radar while we innocents argue. Think of the polar ice caps!

*guffaws maniacally*

I'm still all in favor of looking towards the creepily silent ones, because we never know if they are silently planning to devour each of us. Creepily, of course. And with all of you eating my fabulous pizzas, I'm pretty sure we all taste darn good.

*howls at the moon yet again*

[Cailín]

...

You know, maybe double lynching you two would not be such a bad plan after all. :p This 'timezone' disease is having some interesting lupine side effects, I observe.

[Lhunardawen]

...

You know, maybe double lynching you two would not be such a bad plan after all. :p This 'timezone' disease is having some interesting lupine side effects, I observe.*laughs coyly* Believe me, I had no idea timezones could come out like that. I've had this for quite some time now...punny, eh? ;)

But won't you even just let the Seer dream of me, as Alcarillo and Menel previously proposed? Aww, poor little me... :(

But of course, the Seer should not be wasting dreams on obvious innocents like me. After all, we have werewolves to catch lest we all want to turn into their Full Moon feast.

*howls*

[Lhunardawen]

Well, the night is getting deeper over here in the land of the timezone-afflicted people, and I still have some more howling to do. We have to keep our voice in shape after all.

See you all tomorrow, and the Seer toNight in my dreams...if they will.

Don't let the werewolves bite!

*howls*

[malkatoj]

And even on a weekend, I've got school things to do, so I'll be posting my vote. I may get on again later today, but no guarantees.

I said earlier that I'd probably vote for TGWBS unless something swayed me otherwise. Well, after looking over the thread, he still hasn't posted at all and I'm inclined to believe he's waiting to jump the bandwagon again.

++TGWBS

[the guy who be short]

Hmmm. Accused lots, eh? For not saying much, eh? *Points away at explanation somewhere near the beginning* For unexplained votes, eh? *Points at eyeglasses*

I'm unable to return toDay, so I must vote now. And right now, the person I'm least trusting of is... Kuruharan.

But Kuru voted for a Wolf twice! you undoubtably cry.

And that's what disconcerts me. He's ruthless enough and cunning enough to kill Garin off first, then assuming an air of innocence. His rationale is too rational. Pu simply, I don't trust his intellect.

++Kuru

So I've probably signed my death sentence with the vote. Look at him when I'm gone.

[Valier]

Like I said my earlier,exuse my hasty vote.I have school all day today and I won't be back till after the vote.My suspision of Nilp still stands..for now.I think the best course of action would be to lynch Nilp now then have the seer look into another villager this evening.maybe killing two wolves with one stone.

Hope we get a wolf tonight ,but if not...hopefully this will open more doors,towards finding the last lone wolf(implying we lynch one today)

++Nilpaurion Felagund

See you all later!Happy wolf hunting!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hey I just wantet to say that I am here now and should be able to check the thread until the deadline (I will check every 30-40 min. I my friends will allow it)

I have read your posts and for the moment I have nothing to add, but this: You have made my brain hurt! It will likely be a late vote frome my side

[Kuruharan]

Nice to see everyone is behaving rationally. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure if we should all just concentrate on Nilp as that'd mean that the werewolves can hide in the possibly massive bandwagon.... I'd suggest everyone entretains at least another theory, both to stimulate conversation and make it harder for the furry mammals with big teeth to hide among us.

While I agree this idea has some merit, I think the dangers of werewolves being able to escape and manipulate the vote when everybody gets involved in a lively squabble over their pet theories are at least as great. At this moment, this could perhaps be more unfortunate for us. I once heard tell of a village that came to ruin because the villagers persistently refused to deal with the obvious issues in front of them and squandered their time by obsessively chasing obscure theories down rabbit holes. By the time they got around to dealing with the obvious problem it was a little bit too late.

I think at this moment focus is critical, even if werewolves get lost in the voting a bit (which is a little harder for them now because we can go back and look at prior evidence). We don’t want to have this hanging over our heads, because it is never going to go away.

It seems perfectly illogical to say that I am guilty because Garin defended me
-Nilpaurion

It is not only that he defended you. It is that he rather oddly mentioned your name in his first post, and then unquestioningly defended you afterwards. This behavior toward a person by a wolf is enough to provoke serious questions.

All the above being said, I’m suddenly consumed with doubts about Nilp’s guilt. Unfortunately, I now have a theory that involves a couple of other people, but the only way I can think of to reliably test it is by killing Nilp even if he is innocent. Even if he is innocent I think it will tell us a lot about some other people. However, killing an innocent is always a bit of a problem…

And that's what disconcerts me. He's ruthless enough and cunning enough to kill Garin off first, then assuming an air of innocence. His rationale is too rational. Pu simply, I don't trust his intellect.

Oh, please…we have gone over this already. I can’t believe I have to waste more time on this, but let me expound on this at length. I am the one person here (while it is certainly something that would occur to me) that would be utterly incapable of actually pulling this off. My remaining associate would probably denounce me because they, not being able to trust me anymore (especially because I’d voted for my fellow wolf two DAYs in a row), would think they could win a solo victory. I wouldn’t have a prayer of saving myself because everybody would believe my associate and nobody would believe me (and the only way I could save myself is by turning on my “comrade.”) Basically, the werewolf side would be toast because people would cease trusting my "buddy" and ultimately turn on him/her when they later kept failing to find a wolf.

While it is all very flattering, to be sure, to be seen as this capable and devious, one also has to take it into account when one is thinking what it is and is not possible for me to do. Being permanently branded as “devious” is actually very hamstringing. You have to take this into account when theory building by asking yourself, “Could this person actually be able to do this and be believable while doing it?” The answer in my case is “No.” I couldn’t do it even if I were a wolf and wanted to. But I’m not a wolf so I couldn’t do it anyway.

TGWBS has suddenly returned himself (you will recall that he was one of my original suspects) to my “Passionately Desire to Kill” list. However, for the moment I’d still rather vote for Nilp.

But there is still plenty of time.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will be not be saying much today as I am generaly confused and you have all done a very good job analyzing.

Nilpsurely could bee a wolf, but it could allso be that both Gil and Nilp is innocent and Garin just votet for one of them. (thus killing a innocent and framing an innocent) No mather how much I want to belive in his innocens I must admit that his death would give us answers.

TGWBS is kind of scary. He has avoided making him self seen in any real debate, just a bit to neutral for my taste. This could be a coinsedence. I dont know.

Luhna: What was that all about !? :eek: For the first time ever I acctually belive that I would have to vote for you at some point. :(

I still suspect Menel and Malkatoj the latter might get my vote to day, but I really dont know.

I really have no clue about Kuru, I guess I will have to vait and see.

and I know belive Valier to be innocent!

That is all for now. . .

[Gurthang]

But Kuru voted for a Wolf twice! you undoubtably cry.

And that's what disconcerts me. He's ruthless enough and cunning enough to kill Garin off first, then assuming an air of innocence. His rationale is too rational. Pu simply, I don't trust his intellect.


Yes, I was sort of thinking the same. And Kuru saying he couldn't pull it off just doesn't put the suspicion out of my mind. Still, I have many people to think on before him.

All the above being said, I’m suddenly consumed with doubts about Nilp’s guilt. Unfortunately, I now have a theory that involves a couple of other people, but the only way I can think of to reliably test it is by killing Nilp even if he is innocent. Even if he is innocent I think it will tell us a lot about some other people. However, killing an innocent is always a bit of a problem…

Yeah, I agree. I think Nilp's death will answer questions. I really hope he's a wolf, but regardless, it might clear a lot up. Still, we might be losing an innocent, and yet, I've got no one I'd rather vote for.

We've had a few votes so far:

Acarillo - Nilp (Nilp-1)
Lhuna - Naria (Nilp-1, Naria-1)
malkatoj - TGWBS (Nilp-1, Naria-1, TGWBS-1)
TGWBS - Kuru (Nilp-1, Naria-1, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1)
Valier - Nilp (Nilp-2, Naria-1, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1)

[Meneltarmacil]

As I doubt more will be revealed later in the Day, I'll vote now for

++Nilpaurion Felagund

*heh heh* Maybe he is the world's boldest wolf after all. Arooooooo!

[Meneltarmacil]

Keep in mind that not only does the Seer have some innocents known, but the Ranger knows that the one he/she protected earlier toDay is innocent.

[Kuruharan]

Yes, I was sort of thinking the same. And Kuru saying he couldn't pull it off just doesn't put the suspicion out of my mind.

And you prove my point. ;) :p

We have a rather sizable block of people who have not said much, or anything, toDAY. We’ve only got a few hours left. I was hoping for more in the way of constructive conversation.

[Gurthang]

I don't know. I don't really have much more to say at the moment. I've done my voting analysis, but I've pretty much decided on Nilp for toDay, so I want to wait and see where we should go from there. But you are right, it has been rather quiet recently.

Although I do find Lhuna's sudden burst of Lhunatic-itis rather strange. Maybe it's because we actually got it right (that her and Nilp are wolves) so she's having some fun before the game's over.

Menel, I'm glad to see you voted, thus making sure you won't die toDay for not.

[Farael]

Well, Nilp has made an interesting case for his innocense by not arguing towards it at all. It might be a complicated bluff but even if it is not, I'm afraid I shall cast my vote now, taking into account what I said before on the day.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

I'm afraid that his words have not quite calmed my suspicions completely.

[Cailín]

(I am not sure if it was just me, but the BD forums did not work for me for a large part of the day, which somewhat explains my silence)

On the other hand, I feel I have little to add to the discussion right now and would really like to hear from some other people – Naria in particular. We shall not hear again from Lhuna or Nilp for toDay and I am quite certain Nilpaurion is going to die tonight. His death will tell us more and I hope that toNight’s events may clear things up a little, too.

Now there are a few things that are rather worrisome:

1) Lhuna's behaviour in her final posts toDay. Where did the sudden change come from? I hardly believe she thought it was game over for her, her prospects were not looking too grim at all. I think she was just having a bit of random fun, though admittedly very suspicious and not much helpful fun. I’d say she was the Cobbler if the Cobbler were not dead already.
2) Kuruharan and TGWBS. Now TGWBS posts one dramatic, little helpful post in which he votes for Kuru. He seems quite certain he will not survive the Day. Now why would that be? Also, Kuru, I wish to believe you but with every post you write in your defense I am again reminded of your shrewdness and intelligence, which are apparently working against you right now. I have a hard time believing you’re incapable of doing anything. However I am not going to be concerned with or about you toDay.
3) There are four votes for Nilp by now. I’m pretty sure there is a lupine among the voters and I hope that everyone will be smart enough not to place too much weight on toDay’s voting, since the outcome seemed pretty fixed from my first post.

I cannot really think of other things to say right now so I hope there are more different people who have anything to add to the discussion, though I highly doubt it.

[Amanaduial the archer]

The three have been fairly silent and while Malkatoj has said it is because of his schooling, I can't recall if TGWBS or Amanduial had any excuses. Not on this thread, no, but I did comment on that on the general Tol-in-Gaurhoth discussion thread: I am a student, and due to other extra-curricular activities (such as the Shostakovichfest concert and rehersals all day today, hence my only coming on just now), I have rather limited time to post. I'm doing my best :)

So the votes stand thus so far:

Nilpaurion Felagun - 4 (Farael, Alcarillo, Valier, Menel)
Naria - 1 (Lhuna)
TGWBS - 1 (Malkatoj)
Kuru - 1 (TGWBS)

Left to vote: 8 people (Nilpaurion, Rune, Naria, Amana, Kuruharan, Azaelia, Cailin, Gurthang).

Looks like 'The Carnivore' as he bills himself is making a comeback with four votes. However, I'm afraid I must stand with what my standing opinion throughout the game: I really do not consider Nilp to be a wolf. He's just too blatant - I honestly do not think there could be a double bluff that elaborate. Although it may annoy him, I am not a Nilp-basher. Gurthang and Kuru pointed out the interesting point (oh, vocabulary failure) that his death could answer some interesting questions - but I won't vote for him on this basis. However much it may annoy him, I stand by my earlier words: I refuse to vote for Nilp mainly because he told us to!

People I have consistently been suspicious of so far include Lhuna and Cailin. Now, my suspicions on Cailin are waning - she's just so damn rational! - but Lhuna...ah, Lhuna, Lhuna, Lhuna. Like Cailin said, she did display something of a change in attitude today - and she seems rather fixed on throwing all suspicions of her guilt onto Nilp, constantly 'warning' us about him - where he's one villager whose guilt I really doubt. I'm not sure: three quarters of an hour left, I'm not sure I'll vote quite yet, leave it for a wee while, but I've got my eye on you. Two people who I would really like to hear more from are Naria and Azaelia. Sneakily quiet, and I should like to see how Naria responds to all the suspicion raised around her - I must admit, a very good case is being made against her, and it is most convincing - she is currently in line with Lhuna for my vote today...

[Naria]

Since she isn't going to be back on I'll generalize my comment. I really don't know were she came up with that analysis. It looks to me like she is trying desperately to take certain eyes off of her. She has done a complete 160 and has said nothing about me up till today and vaguely goes into why she suspects me and votes for me. That my fellow villagers is suspicious behaviour. Then her abnormal behaviour in her last couple of posts. She is either using some really good hallucinogenic ingredients in her pizzas or she's trying to tell us something-wolf?

Well the time is ticking away I have too go and close up my store for today. I have suspicions about Luna(obvious reasons) and a couple of others that I don't want to go into right now. I will maintain my opinion about Nilpand vote for him today.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Malkatoj

I have had great doubts about this one, but Malkatoj remaines my main suspect so she will get my vote. I was very close to voting Nilp , but I had to great doubt about Garin's motivation to vote for Gil-Galad.

I am sorry if this is to no help at all, but I would just not feel right to vote Nilp, nomather how helpfull his death would be.

[Cailín]

I have made up my mind.

++NARIA

I am pretty sure there is something wrong with her and though I am still more or less in favour of lynching Nilp as well, I find Naria appearing far more guilty right now.

Plus, I don't like how the voting is going in one singular direction.

Like Cailin said, she did display something of a change in attitude today - and she seems rather fixed on throwing all suspicions of her guilt onto Nilp, constantly 'warning' us about him

To me it seemed as if Lhuna were defending Nilp. However, I suggest the Seer dreams of Lhuna toNight, if he / she has not done so before, just so we can be sure.

[Farael]

Not on this thread, no, but I did comment on that on the general Tol-in-Gaurhoth discussion thread: I am a student, and due to other extra-curricular activities (such as the Shostakovichfest concert and rehersals all day today, hence my only coming on just now), I have rather limited time to post. I'm doing my best

My bad then, I offer you my sincere apologies.

With regards to the voting today, while I'm not trying to sway anyone into voting like I did (specially as it seems Nilp will be lynched without my efforts anyway) I'd like to note that for as long as Nilp lives, he'll be a distraction. And distractions only help a group of two among the fifteen of us. The same two those thirteen innocents remaining want to see dead.

I hate to compromise so deeply against anyone as should Nilp be innocent I'll look twice as suspicious, but read the logic into my words and remember that hindsight is always 20/20.... I think Nilp is suspicious and makes for a great distraction and barring a majour breakdown by one of the werewolves I think he should be lynched so that we can move on. As Kuruharan said, sometimes it's best to deal with the obvious rather than entretain weird theories that in the end favour the werewolves.

[Kuruharan]

I have a hard time believing you’re incapable of doing anything.

For my next trick, I shall (unlike a balrog) sprout wings and fly to the moon!

Enough of this nonsense! I’m confident of learning something useful that will stand us in good stead for the future if Nilp is guilty or not.

++ Nilpaurion

I’m completely perplexed by the attitudes of some people who think finding out information about a suspicious character is not a worthwhile motive for voting. They instead vote for somebody else based upon as little or even less evidence. They feel better about this because they thought it up themselves.

That seems suspicious.

[Gurthang]

I am also having some trouble getting throught to the Downs'. Not that I've had a lot to say.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

If you didn't know that was coming, you weren't here toDay. :p I really hope this clears the air a little.

[Amanaduial the archer]

So far...

Nilpaurion Felagund - 7 (Farael, Alcarillo, Valier, Menel, Kuru, Naria, Gurthang)
Naria - 2 (Lhuna, Cailin)
TGWBS - 1 (Malkatoj)
Kuru - 1 (TGWBS)
Malkatoj - 1 (Rune)

Looks like the Carnivore is for the chop - and foils on your, Farael, you're being very persuasive! However, I continue to believe that Nilp is not a wolf, even if he is a 'distraction' - looks like he's headed for the gallows without my help anyway.

This vote is...well, somewhat uncertain, to say the least. But I'm afraid as I can't seem to form as coherent an arguement against anyone else especially in the short time we have left of the Day, I am voting for...

++Lhuna

EDIT: crossposted with Kuru and Gurthang.

[Cailín]

For my next trick, I shall (unlike a balrog) sprout wings and fly to the moon!

Ay, I would indeed not be surprised. :p

I’m completely perplexed by the attitudes of some people who think finding out information about a suspicious character is not a worthwhile motive for voting. They instead vote for somebody else based upon as little or even less evidence. They feel better about this because they thought it up themselves.

Hmm are you referring to my vote, Kuru? For I believe that I was first to suggest lynching Nilpaurion toDay for information and I do consider information the most valuable thing one can obtain in this game. However, the case against Naria is - in my opinion - stronger and if she's not a wolf, I shall eat my... Well, let's not make hasty promises. I feel bad about voting for Nilpaurion because I thought it up and everyone just jumped on the bandwagon. Now that makes one suspicious.

Farael has it right though. Lynching Nilp will definitely clear the air.

[Gurthang]

Votes:

Nilpaurion Felagun - 7 (Farael, Alcarillo, Valier, Menel, Naria, Kuru, Gurthang)
Naria - 2 (Lhuna, Cailin)
TGWBS - 1 (Malkatoj)
Kuru - 1 (TGWBS)
malkatoj - 1 (Rune)
Lhuna - 1 (Amana)

With Nilp, who probably won't vote, and Azaelia left.

If Nilp is a wolf, especially if he is a wolf, I will be looking at the ones who voted for him. There was enough suspicion and likelyhood that he would be lynched that it would be an easy vote for a fellow wolf to make.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Farael has it right though. Lynching Nilp will definitely clear the air. Yes, but it does rather leave us with a problem in that we're lynching one who could well be a villager, and who I think probably is; kinda brings us closer to the wolves in numbers, even if there are only two of them left. And as for bandwagoning - unfortunately, six people followed you in voting for Nilp and only a third of that number could possibly be wolves. Doesn't really narrow it down enough, unfortunately.

EDIT: crossposted with Gurthang.

[Farael]

Yes, but it does rather leave us with a problem in that we're lynching one who could well be a villager, and who I think probably is; kinda brings us closer to the wolves in numbers, even if there are only two of them left. And as for bandwagoning - unfortunately, six people followed you in voting for Nilp and only a third of that number could possibly be wolves. Doesn't really narrow it down enough, unfortunately.


I stand by my words and I will die for them if needed be. If we do not lynch Nilp, it will be all too easy for a werewolf to keep bringing his name up as I believe most of us think him at least plausibly werewolvish. I say lets get rid of him now because later it WILL be getting REALLY close to the wolves number... we still are too many for them to come out and eat us all.

[Formendacil]

As the third day following the death of Formendacil drew to a close, the village was no closer to having definitely ousted a Werewolf than it had been any of the days previous. Of course, most of the villagers were quite certain that they had found a Werewolf, but persuading people that their pet theories were rational and right was about as easy as pulling teeth…

One of the most popular theories of the day was that if Nilpaurion was so insistent on proclaiming himself a carnivore, then they ought to give him what he was asking for, and lynch him. Even if he was innocent, the proponents of that opinion reasoned, it would clear up a lot of the confusion, and possibly shine a light on the Werewolves’ voting pattern. And so what if there were still two Werewolves in the village? The ranger, whoever he or she was, had protected them the night before.

Even as the villagers did their best to remain rational and discerning, the pressure they had been under for several days was beginning to tell. Amanaduial and Rune were not speaking to each other. The Guy Who Be Short, who was normally a cheerful and talkative fellow, had become rather sullen and silent. Valier had taken to drinking, joining Azaelia in the town “drunk tank”- except that Azaelia, under the stress, had sworn off drink, and was actually succeeding in having less than four ales a day. Lhunardawen was perhaps the one most affected, for she had started to howl, as if she were a wolf, and had begun to laugh at just about any suggestion made.

“It must be a sign of wolfishness,” said Naria spitefully, since Lhuna’s pet theory of the day had been that Naria was a Werewolf.

“I think it’s just heredity,” said Farael. “It’s not that different than Nilp’s carnivore fixation.”

“Then they’re both Werewolves,” said Malkatoj. “Problem solved. Let’s lynch them.”

“Now, now!” said Valier. “Tha’s againsht the rulesh… On’y one pershon a day!”

“Drunk though she is,” said Gurthang, “that is what we decided when this crisis started! Anyone who wants to change it must be a Werewolf looking to kill off more Villagers.”

“Are you calling me a Werewolf?” demanded Malkatoj.

“If he is, so what?” said Kuruharan. “There’s something about you that doesn’t sit right with me…”

“If you don’t care for my personal philosophy, say so!” replied the professor. “What that has to with the situation at hand, I don’t know!”

“You can learn a lot about people by looking at what they believe in,” said Alcarillo.

“Yes, and don’t think I haven’t been watching you, Mr. Moneybags!” retorted Kuruharan.

In the end, although about half of the village did not support a bandwaggon to lynch Nilpaurion, their votes were scattered and not a single one of their candidates came close to the number of votes that Nilpaurion garnered.

And so the village marched him up to the noose, and placed it around his neck.

“Any last words, Werewolf?” said Meneltarmacil.

“I am a carnivore, not a Werewolf,” declaimed Nilpaurion proudly. “I am no more harmful than the carnivorous ranch dog that keeps Gurthang company at night. I want the entire village to know that I go to my death with my head upright and my conscience clear, knowing that I die for a noble cause, to help my friends and neighbours find the vile killer that killed the noble Formendacil, and have since gone on to kill the village.

“I die knowing that I have done all I can to help in this matter, that I have lived a good and upright life, that I have no shirked my duty or hid in the face of danger, that I have, in fact, braved the dangers of teasing my silly Lhunatic sister. I go knowing that my memory shall not be soiled by unseemly work or unnecessary seriousness, but that I have done my foremost to spread goofiness, oddity, and good-hearted fun.

“I ask the forgiveness of the Valar and of the One Himself: Eru, whom I dare name in my last hour, that all of you who have voted for me in good faith shall come under no cruel judgement in the hereafter as a result, but that when we are all reunited in Arda Remade, that we shall remember these times with amusement, and all sorrow be forgotten.

“I consign my spirit to the judgement of the Valar, and I go forth from the Circles of Arda knowing that when the Second Music is sung, and Arda Remade created, that I shall run with Huan and the Hounds of Oromë, and follow the cry of the Valaróma. May Elbereth protect you all from the Wolves of Sauron!”

“Are you done yet?” growled Kuruharan.

“Yes, I think that’s about it. Does anyone have a message for me to pass on to Formendacil, Gil-galad, or Eluchíl?”

The village looked at him stonily.

“I’m done,” he said to his executioners.

The box was kicked out from beneath his feet, the rope when taut, and Nilpaurion was dead. Nothing happened.

“He’s not a Werewolf,” said Amanaduial, “he’s just an ORDINARY VILLAGER.”

“Oh, Nilp…” said Lhuna. “You IDIOT!”

DAY 3 is over, NIGHT 4 has begun.

Werewolves, Ranger, and Seer, I need your nightly picks.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

Due to unexpected burps in Formendacil's real life work schedule, NIGHT 4, our currect phase, will be about 2.5 hours shorter than normal, with DAY 4 being correspondingly longer.

Narration on the opening of DAY 4 may be postponed about ten hours, but the pertinent information will be posted in time.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

The sun was rising again over the village that would someday be known as Dol-in-Gaurhoth. The villagers, over-confident from the Werewolves' lack of success the night before, rose expecting to find things as they had the morning before.

But such was not to be the case...

As the villagers gathered in the village square, and casually took their morning head count, they soon realised that one of their number was missing. After some frantic checking to see who was there, and who wasn't, it soon became apparent that the Werewolves had taken Valier from their midst.

Together, the villagers made their way to Valier's home, but there was no sign of her there, dead or alive. There was, however, signs of an attempted flight from the village. Clothes were scattered on the floor, cupboards were thrown open, there was hardly any food to be found, and things were in total disarray.

"Here's all the stuff she was planning to take," said Farael, after a bit of searching. He held up a sack of food, clothing, and other essentials, apparently abandoned by her back door.

"Let's check out the brewery," said Lhunardawen. "It's rather apparent that she isn't here."

"Why would she go to the brewery if she was planning to flee?" asked Gurthang.

"I don't know," said Lhuna, "maybe she needed something from there. It's not like she would have left the village without this sack. It's leagues from any other settlement."

"She may have wanted some of her brewing equipment, or maybe some ale for the journey," suggested Cailin.

And so the villagers made their way to the brewery, and found to their startlement that the door was ajar. Cautiously, they made their way in. It was not long before they found Valier's body, sunk at the bottom of a vat of ale. Once again, the Werewolves had left them a message.

Stubborn little buggers, aren't you, Men of the West?

Well, no matter. Yet another of your number is down. And another soon will be. Your chances of finding us seem not to improve. You really ought to leave while you still can. Rhovanion WILL be ours.

The Werewolves in Your Midst.

P.S. Try the new brew, it's deliciously zesty!

"Eeww!!!" said The Guy Who Be Short. "That is just plain sick. At least she died INNOCENT."

"I wonder why the Wolves would have killed Valier," mused Kuruharan. "Let's think back over who she accused, and see if we can find a pattern."

"Or maybe they just killed her to throw us off by making us think that," said Gurthang. "You're too smart for your own good, Master Dwarf!"

And so began yet another day of debate...


Night 4 is over, Day 4 is begun.

You may begin posting.

Those alive:

Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town
Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia - Town Drunk
Farael - Worm Hunter
TGWBS - Hat Maker
Rune – Misplaced Hobbit Peace Activist
Alcarillo - Moneylender
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person
Gurthang - Rancher
Amanaduial - Northman Travel Guide
Naria - Store Proprietor
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant
Malkatoj – Philosophy Professor

Those dead:

Formendacil - Moderator - Killed by Werewolves, Night 1
Gil-Galad - Shrubber - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 1
Kath - Gongfarmer - Cobbler - Killed by Werewolves, Night 2
Garin - Horse Loaner - Werewolf - Killed by Vilager, Day 2
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper - Ordo - Killed "Accidentally" by Werewolf, Day 2
NIGHT 3 - NO DEATH
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 3
Valier - Brewmaster - Ordo - Killed by Werewolves, Night 4

[the guy who be short]

Hourra!

I mean, er, oh dear, another innocent dead.

Except that this unexpectedly early daybreak gives me a chance to post in the early morning, as well as the late evening, of the day.

Which means what you've all been waitin' for: Analyses.

I'll be on the case of Valier's death, and going over Nilps comments, in the course of the next two hours. Do not expect this everyday.

[Kuruharan]

Well, I have to confess that yesterDAY turned out pretty much as I was expecting…unfortunately. Still, I now feel pretty confident about one conclusion and I think it was probably worth it.

Since our Seer has apparently not received an answer yet, I think I will wait a bit before offering an opinion about where to go from here (probably about the nine hours mentioned by our moderator).

I am a little surprised the wolves picked Valier. I’ll go review her posts and suggest all other honest souls do the same.

[Gurthang]

Know innocents in bold; known wolf (and cobbler) is underlined.

Day 1

Azaelia - Menel (Menel-1)
Alcarillo - Garin (Menel-1, Garin-1)
Nilp - Nilp (Menel-1, Garin-1, Nilp-1)
Lhuna - Nilp (Nilp-2, Menel-1, Garin-1)
Amana - Kuru (Nilp-2, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1)
Gil-galad - Nilp (Nilp-3, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1)
malkatoj - Nilp (Nilp-4, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1)
Farael - Eluchil (Nilp-4, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1)
Naria - Nilp (Nilp-5, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1)
Rune - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1, Gil-Galad-1)
TGWBS - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-2, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1)
Menel - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-3, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1, Eluchil-1)
Valier - Eluchil (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-3, Eluchil-2, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1)
Kuru - Garin (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-3, Eluchil-2, Garin-2, Menel-1, Kuru-1)
Cailín - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-4, Eluchil-2, Garin-2, Menel-1, Kuru-1)
Gurthang - Gil-Galad (Nilp-5, Gil-Galad-5, Eluchil-2, Garin-2, Menel-1, Kuru-1)
Garin - Gil-Galad (Gil-Galad-6, Nilp-5, Eluchil-2, Garin-2, Menel-1, Kuru-1)

No vote:
Kath
Eluchil

Day 2
Alcarillo - Cailín (Cailín-1)
Lhuna - Eluchil (Cailín-1, Eluchil-1)
Amana - Lhuna (Cailín-1, Eluchil-1, Lhuna-1)
Nilp - Cailín (Cailín-2, Eluchil-1, Lhuna-1)
Farael - Garin (Cailín-2, Eluchil-1, Lhuna-1, Garin-1)
malkatoj - Lhuna (Cailín-2, Lhuna-2, Eluchil-1, Garin-1)
Rune - Garin (Cailín-2, Lhuna-2, Garin-2, Eluchil-1)
TGWBS - Lhuna (Lhuna-3, Cailín-2, Garin-2, Eluchil-1)
Naria - Cailín (Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Garin-2, Eluchil-1)
Azaelia - Garin (Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Garin-3, Eluchil-1)
Cailín - Eluchil (Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Garin-3, Eluchil-2)
Valier - Garin (Garin-4, Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Eluchil-2)
Kuru - Garin (Garin-5, Lhuna-3, Cailín-3, Eluchil-2)
Garin - Lhuna (Garin-5, Lhuna-4, Cailín-3, Eluchil-2)
Gurthang - Garin (Garin-6, Lhuna-4, Cailín-3, Eluchil-2)

No vote:
Eluchil
Menel

Day 3

Acarillo - Nilp (Nilp-1)
Lhuna - Naria (Nilp-1, Naria-1)
malkatoj - TGWBS (Nilp-1, Naria-1, TGWBS-1)
TGWBS - Kuru (Nilp-1, Naria-1, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1)
Valier - Nilp (Nilp-2, Naria-1, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1)
Menel - Nilp (Nilp-3, Naria-1, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1)
Farael - Nilp (Nilp-4, Naria-1, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1)
Naria - Nilp (Nilp-5, Naria-1, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1)
Rune - malkatoj (Nilp-5, Naria-1, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1, malkatoj-1)
Cailin - Naria (Nilp-6, Naria-1, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1, malkatoj-1)
Kuru - Nilp (Nilp-6, Naria-2, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1, malkatoj-1)
Gurthang - Nilp (Nilp-7, Naria-2, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1, malkatoj-1)
Amanaduial - Lhuna (Nilp-7, Naria-2, TGWBS-1, Kuru-1, malkatoj-1, Lhuna-1)

No vote:
Nilp
Azaelia

[Gurthang]

I am a little surprised the wolves picked Valier. I’ll go review her posts and suggest all other honest souls do the same.

Kuru, I'm sorry, but I just can't do that. If you are a wolf, we would be playing into your hands. You kill someone who is completely on the wrong path, then suggest that we look at what they thought, thus leading us to information that is wrong.

Now, I'm not saying that you are a wolf, and I'm not saying that Valier was wrong; I'm saying that we have to make our own conclusions and review what we think is pertinent. I think that asking everyone to all do one thing is not a good idea. I will continue to look at voting, but you may be one who I focus on, sooner or later.

For now, I'm dividing the village into two groups. Nilp voter... and everyone else.

Voted for Nilp yesterday: Alcarillo, Valier, Menel, Farael, Naria, Kuru, Gurthang

Voted for others: Lhuna, malkatoj, TGWBS, Menel, Rune, Cailín, Amanaduial

I'd be willing to bank quite a bit that there is a wolf who voted for Nilp, since it was pretty apparent early on that he would be lynched. Both wolves might even be in that group. But, I'm thinking that the other wolf voted for the first one. That would make perfect sense to me, since there was very little chance that the wolf receiving the vote would be lynched, and it will make the other look less suspicious if either is found.

So here are pairs. The first is someone who voted for Nilp, the second is one who voted for the first.

Naria-Lhuna, Naria-Cailín, and Kuru-TGWBS.

That's my theory so far, I'll be back later to look into each of these pairs.

[Cailín]

My apologies, fellow villagers...

I know it is a rather bad day to be absent, but something unbelievably stressful came up in real life, and since I will have to get up at 5:00AM (GMT+1) tomorrow morning, I shall be going to bed in a short while and not be on all day. I might make it online tomorrow evening, but then again I might not.

I am not surprised and yet rather surprised at the werewolves' kill. Sure, we all considered Valier a known innocent, but I would think the wolves would be more interested in finding out the Seer (which might have been Valier, but I for one would never believe it since she has been expressing doubts about me since Day 1, yet never said anything conclusive and she would have dreamed of me by now, were she indeed the Seer. In this theory, it does not even matter whether I am innocent or not. They might have thought her the Seer for picking up on Garin so early, though.)

Anyway, I shall be voting for Naria, my main suspect yesterDay and toDay. I just think she seems most wolvish.

++NARIA

Looking forward to TGWBS's contributions, at last. And again, I'm dreadfully sorry.

[Kuruharan]

Kuru, I'm sorry, but I just can't do that. If you are a wolf, we would be playing into your hands. You kill someone who is completely on the wrong path, then suggest that we look at what they thought, thus leading us to information that is wrong.

:rolleyes: People would fall into roughly three categories: those heavily suspected by Valier, those only mildly suspected by Valier, and those not suspected at all. Those not suspected at all would be the ones to be the most interested in because they would have the least to lose by killing her because they would be in the least danger. I was hoping to have at least one other brain than just mine reviewing the evidence, if for no other reason to ensure nothing was overlooked. However, having other ideas from the evidence would also be good. Believe me, stifling ideas was the least of my intents.

Why are you so critical of others offering suggestions?

[the guy who be short]

So why did the village end up lynching Nilp? What evidence was against him, how strong, and where the bandwagons? *Smokes Sherlock pipe*


Cailin is the first to mention Nilp on Day 3, and to offer evidence against him. I'm not too sure I feel this is at all incriminating, as Cailin seems to be experiencing a knee-jerk reaction - Nilp voted for her the day before.

Gurthang then latches onto Cailin's theory.

More or less half the village accuses Nilp at this point, now that the ball is rolling.

Farael is the first to say something to the contrary of puclib opinion, claiming he is "not sold on Nilp".

Nilp forms a list of those he believes innocent, including Rune, Valier, Lhuna and Kuru, whom he is less sure of. Then he thanks Farael for not believing in his guilt - and says to "look to Alcarillo."

... And now I am being whisked away. Sorry, I'm unable to complete this. For the record, I think Valier was killed as she was fairly quiet, offering few leads. I would have been a good choice, had so much guilt not been cast upon me. In any case, if somebody could complete the analysis of Nilp, and analyse both Valier's posts and Alcarillo's (I believe very much in honouring the wishes of the dead), that would be great.

[the guy who be short]

Apparently I have a few more minutes left. The analysis of Nilp will however take too long, and thus far appears fruitless. And while I hardly trust Kuru, (ooh, we're a pair ;)) an analysis of Valier is a must. Plus, I have time for the 14 posts she's made. I will be going in reverse chronological order.

Her last post was a "safe" vote for Nilp, misguided but hardly remarkable.

Before this, she creates a list of people she believes to be innocent: Farael, Rune, Kuruharan, Gurthang
What's remarkable here is Kuruharan's comment above:
Those not suspected at all would be the ones to be the most interested in because they would have the least to lose by killing her because they would be in the least dangerHe falls into this category. Scheming mind at work, anybody?
As for the others - Rune and Farael appear on Nilp's list too, and so I will presume innocent, as I will Gurthang.

Valier also declares these villagers to be puzzling: Alcarillo, Amanaduial, Azaelia, Naria. The other villagers she mentions are as follows: Menel - creepy, Cailin - innocent, TGWBS - odd but sound, Lhuna - unsure, Nilp - will vote for, Malkatoj - bad feeling.

An overview of her last analytical post then:

Innocent: Farael, Rune, Kuru, Gurthang, Cailin
Neutral: Alcarillo, Aman, Azaelia, Naria, TGWBS, Lhuna
Bad feelings: Menel, Nilp, Malkatoj



That is all. The theory I'm fondest of at the moment is that she struck a nerve. She voted Garin and, if somehow here list were more or less accurate in several aspects, she could be suspected of being the Seer. Which means Malkatoj and Menel bear looking into.

Right now, I feel analyses of Malkatoj and Alcarillo would be good things.

[the guy who be short]

With the last of my time, I shall analyse Malkatoj. I've had uneasy feelings for a while, so here goes.

So far, she has voted for me, Nilp and Lhuna. Though I have theories of my own concerning her vote for me, I shall of course keep them to myself, as it would be foolish to ask you all to accept my innocence. Analyses of the other two votes, then:

Day 2: malkatoj - Lhuna (Cailín-2, Lhuna-2, Eluchil-1, Garin-1) Lhuna appeared to be quite a popular choice on Day 2. If Malkatoj is a wolf, then Cailin's guilt is obviously implied here.

Day 1: malkatoj - Nilp (Nilp-4, Menel-1, Garin-1, Kuru-1) Sigh. I presume malkatoj has been in a village before? And, if so, should REALLY know that when Nilp says "kill me," it don't mean nothing, excuse the double negative. Not promising.



Now, I shall work backwards once more. Starting with a vote for me.

I said earlier that I'd probably vote for TGWBS unless something swayed me otherwise. Well, after looking over the thread, he still hasn't posted at all and I'm inclined to believe he's waiting to jump the bandwagon again. Come now! Voting for somebody because they haven't said anything? Seems a little off to me. As for bandwaggoning again... I can hardly be said to have joined any bandwagons. Started, perhaps.

Before that, she says this:

TGWBS: I'm very suspicious of his almost complete lack of posting. Has anyone else noticed that he comes in every day with nothing to say except a bandwagon vote, no reasoning behind it? It's unnerving, and as of right now, he will probably get my vote. Bandwagon votes? Where? :rolleyes: No reasoning? Perhaps my Lhuna-vote didn't have an essay behind it, but my GG-vote hd clear rationale behind it.

She also mentions her uneasiness concerning Alcarillo, Lhuna, Gurthang and Nilp. She also claims that one of those who voted Garin would have been a wolf undercover.

That's all for the past two days. And, hypocritical as it may seem, she's a bit too quiet for my liking. Yes, I know, I know, but I do try...

[Amanaduial the archer]

ARGH, hate this site, just made a hugely long post and then it got deleted gah gah gah!!!

....*deep breaths*

Right.

From the beginning again then... *weeps*

Gurthang, I'm afraid I find the whole of your last post really rather baffling. Maybe it's just me. You say that Valier was on entirely the wrong track - what, simply because she voted for Nilp? Fair, I suppose - but there are deeper considerations, the most obvious ones being that Nilp was by no stretch of the imagination the only person she suspected, even if he was the one who she finally plumped for for the chop. I feel somewhat more inclined to go with Kuru on this one; indeed, Kuru's distinctions of those we maybe should consider looking at are...well, I couldn't put it better myself: "those heavily suspected by Valier, those only mildly suspected by Valier, and those not suspected at all. Those not suspected at all would be the ones to be the most interested in because they would have the least to lose by killing her because they would be in the least danger."

So, to consider Valier's last real analysis post, #244 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=439046&postcount=244)...well, unfortunately TGWBS has rather beaten me to alot of my analysis (apparently we were cross-posting before the untimely demise of my own post), but hey, I shall reiterate; why not...

Those who Valier said she was 'fairly sure' to be innocent consist of just three names (narrowing it down...not...): Rune, Kuru and Gurthang (what were you saying about her being entirely wrong, Gurthang? ;)). So we can presume solely on the basis of Valier's death that these three for now can be considered in the clear, and suitably un-lupine: she considered them innocent and therefore posed no threat to her.

To add a few additional notes to that, Rune could be considered to be especially in the clear: as well as being mentioned in the above cited post, he also vehemently proclaimed his belief in Valier’s own innocence in post #273. The faith was therefore mutual: neither posed any threat at all to the other, so, if Rune was a wolf, it would be a little pointless to kill her off, or at least, there would be other rather more suitable victims. On the other hand, however, Rune’s post did follow Valier’s chronologically: maybe, seeing that she had no suspicion of him, he gave her his firm vote of confidence, knowing that then to kill her off would throw no light of suspicion onto him at all, while bringing the ratio of wolves to villagers up – a cunning plan for a wolf. However, I think it is more likely that he is innocent based on the mutual faith that apparently existed between them (although I’m not entirely sure looking at the previous counter-argument…)

Also, I think this would be a suitable moment to mention Farael in the same breath as ‘innocent’: like Rune, he declared that he thought Valier to be innocent (post #241), but this time before Valier’s analytical post. She mentioned no suspicions of him at all, and, again, the lack of suspicion is mutual: there would really be little merit in killing someone who posed so little threat to you. So I think, again based on Valier’s death, that Farael is probably innocent.

As for those she suspected…well, here’s the section:

Meneltarmecil-This guy ...well gives me the creeps.I just don't get him yet he "Howls at the moon" is that a good sign really?

Cailin-I have been suspisious of her since the beginning,but theres not much to go on,she did vote for two innocents, and has been suspisious of me and defensive with anyone who accuses her.I think she is innocent though..safe for the day anyways.her defensiveness is a natural reaction of an innocent.

TGWBS-His lack of posts is odd,But his points on Lhuna are sound.

Lhunardawen-I have a feeling....don't quite know yet

Nilpaurion Felagund-My vote will more than likely be for him I don't believe the crazy stuff.I'm curious as to weather to lynch him to see,or go a little differently.

Malkatoj-I have a bbbaaddddd feeling about this one though I'm not sure I'll act on it yet,or if I should even.

So, Menel, Cailin, TGWBS, Lhun, Nilp and Malka – and yes, I am leaving Cailin on that list. Now, firstly I would like to point out that, obviously, Valier’s word can hardly be taken as Law here: for one thing, she suspects a known – and now dead – innocent. There is also the fact that some of her suspicions do seem, well, frankly a little suspect themselves: for example, her reasons for Malka consist quite simply of ‘a bad feeling’; similarly, Lhunardwen is accused on the basis of Valier’s gut feeling. Because of this, out of the list of six (five if we do not include the dear deceased, Nilp), these two would probably be least likely, in my opinion, to take her out if they were wolves. I mean, yes, on the one hand this could be considered a danger as, given a day or two, this ‘feeling’ could certainly develop into something more risky – maybe it would be best to take her out early. But, on the other hand, why bother? These two have had suspicion voiced from other corners – a ‘bad feeling’ was very unlikely to yield any solid votes, Valier even says this herself; there would be other, more ‘deserving’ candidates for the Night’s hunt than Valier on this basis. I therefore doubt that these two are wolves (again, strictly on the basis of Valier’s death), although I hold onto my previous suspicions about Lhun (even if they are now waning quite considerably!). And TGWBS – no, I believe, like several others in this village, Malka previously stated that she has not been in a village before, so she wouldn’t necessarily be familiar with Nilp’s behaviour.

Now, Cailin…well now. Valier, in the above mentioned post, seems actually rather unsure of Cailin, for the first time really. Maybe this could put Cailin in the clear (TGWBS, you go as far as to pretty much stating this as fact), as Valier was a decreased threat to her – BUT, she has posed a threat from the beginning: as Valier says, she has suspected Cailin “from the beginning”. Such suspicion could very easily re-emerge, I reckon – maybe Cailin, if she’s a wolf, thought that it would be best to get Valier out of the way just in case; because Valier had said her faith in Cailin was increasing, Cailin considered that she would not be as easily linkable to Valier’s death. I don’t know – but I reckon Cailin is still very much in the running for wolf-hood.

Another villager I would like to mention is Gurthang. Sure, Valier says she does not suspect him, thereby meaning she poses little or no threat to him – but remember, she’s got it wrong before, she could similarly be wrong about Gurthang’s innocence. I don’t know, I feel somewhat uneasy of him… He seems to be a prime bandwagoner, both on the mob that went after Nilp (latching onto Cailin’s theory), then – and this is an interesting one I think – onto Valier’s ‘bad feeling’ about Malkatoj (post #247)…but doesn’t really give any other explanation for this mention; he just pretty much repeats what Cailin said. I sense bandwagonage. Maybe he thought that, as Valier did not suspect him, she posed no threat, and that he could secure a pleasant relationship with her by agreeing with this feeling and maybe trying to incite feeling against another player in the hope that it would start a ball rolling – even though, again, there is no evidence. This seems like he was just trying to safely displace all suspicion onto Malka (although admittedly there was very little around him – but this could be like the paranoia Garin displayed), while almost in cahoots with Valier – meaning that killing her would be unlikely to be linked to him.

Hmm. I am unsure of how my vote will go for today; leave it for a few hours certainly… (although I shall be unable to post at the very, very end of the extended Day 4, due to it being about 12.30 my time – could we not leave it at 10.00pm GMT? It will confuse the days rather otherwise…*shrugs*)

(And crossposting with The Guy Who Be Short)

EDIT: And if anyone comments on me not adding much again, I'll 'ave yer! If that ain't a long post, I don't know what is! ;)

[Farael]

Well, with time to post in his hands, TWBS seems much less suspicious all of a sudden. I guess I should say "although this might be an extremely laborated octuple-bluff in which he pretended to be busy so as to draw a little suspicion but then masterfully erased it as there was nothing hard to go against him, for he had said too little for anyone to make a clear case against him" but if such bluff was indeed intended, I shall cry defeat and plead for my sorry life.

No, I do not belive him to be guilty at the moment, which leads me to my second point. Who IS guilty after all? we have very little to go on, I believe. There are too many suspects, considering that there are only two werewolves in our midst. Does anyone else think that now it is the time for the Seer to step up? He can no longer ask Moderacil nor Garinwolf, but he ought to know three innocents at the very least. Add the Seer himself that would make it four known innoncents. Any information the Seer gets from a dead innocent is only that innocent's thoughts and therefore their guess would be as good as ours. I say now it is the time for the Seer to step forward and possibly the hunter. That'd make for five known innocents (if the seer does not know about any wolves) and the ranger can still protect the seer for two nights. Obviously, the wolves won't attack the hunter, although it would somewhat defeat the hunter's purpose. Yet it would still make for another known innocent and we need some of those right now.

Any werewolf trying to bluff as gifted will soon be dead, as we will lynch one and should that be found to be innocent, we will lynch the other and that is that.

Yes, the more I think about it the more convinced I am that this is the time for the seer to step forward. We have been lucky so far but we should not let the wolves gather any kind of momentum, I say let's finish them off while they are still down. And they are down now, we have gotten a werewolf and they killed the cobbler while we still have all our gifteds and the apprentice.

[Farael]

Cross posted with Amanduial... rather confusing post if you ask me as she seems to go back and forth between saying that Valier might have been on to something and that she was wrong.

[Gurthang]

:rolleyes: People would fall into roughly three categories: those heavily suspected by Valier, those only mildly suspected by Valier, and those not suspected at all. Those not suspected at all would be the ones to be the most interested in because they would have the least to lose by killing her because they would be in the least danger. I was hoping to have at least one other brain than just mine reviewing the evidence, if for no other reason to ensure nothing was overlooked. However, having other ideas from the evidence would also be good. Believe me, stifling ideas was the least of my intents.

Why are you so critical of others offering suggestions?

Kuru, Kuru, Kuru. Your idea was not what I thought was bad; it was the 'all honest souls' part that caught my attention. As for you going at it alone, TGWBS had already stated his intent to review Valier, as he has now done, so I thought you two were enough to go on her. Although you are a pair, so maybe I'm wrong. :p

Also, I am thinking I will vote Naria. Others are suspicious of her, but I hadn't given her much thought until she turned up on my list yesterday after I analyzed voting. She was also a part of the Nilp bandwagon; then she turns up twice in my pairs (although not really her fault). Regardless of what I do end up deciding about my pairs, she is currently my top suspect and will likely get my vote. That is, unless something important is made known.

Now, as for my pairs.

Naria-Cailín
I am pretty much willing to take this pair out. Cailín has already voted for Naria. Bold move this early in the Day, especially when Naria was second yesterday (although with just two votes).

Naria-Lhuna
I've already stated my suspicion of Naria, and Lhuna has been brought up many times in these debates. Personally, I found Lhuna's first Day vote rather odd, as well as her sudden switch away from wanting to grant Nilpaurion's death wish. They did both vote for Nilp on Day 1, which, to me, points to them not both being wolves. Lhuna's vote for Naria yesterday was also pretty early, so that detracts from them being a pair.

Kuru-TGWBS
This is probably the most dangerous pair of the three. I was very suspicious with Guy's sudden attack on Kuru yesterday. It made a little sense, but came out of nowhere and seems to have vanished since. I am happy to finally see him talking though. Kuru keeps going back and forth in my mind. Some of the things he says strike me as strange, but then not so much the second time. His responses have seemed a little over-defensive also.


Some quick thoughts on others.

Nilp said look at Alcarillo. I doubt he's a wolf. He voted Garin early on Day one, when anything could happen. Not a great time to push a fellow wolf in the direction of the gallows.

Farael, I feel pretty close to the same about. He voted early for Garin the Day he died. He could have easily voted for another and hoped for the best. The same goes for Rune, who was the second to vote for Garin, which also tied him for the lead.

Gurthang, I'm afraid I find the whole of your last post really rather baffling. Maybe it's just me. You say that Valier was on entirely the wrong track - what, simply because she voted for Nilp?
Not really, I was just saying that I don't think we should focus completely on only what she said. And the rest is just a theory I've come up with, if you don't agree with it, that's fine. It's kind of a stretch anyway (which is why I am not voting by that theory alone).

[Gurthang]

Oh, and I didn't say I thought she was completely wrong. No, I thought I made that part quite clear. :p

Now, I'm not saying that you are a wolf, and I'm not saying that Valier was wrong[emphasis mine]; I'm saying that we have to make our own conclusions and review what we think is pertinent. I think that asking everyone to all do one thing is not a good idea.

[Naria]

I think the seer should come forth and let us in on a few details that we're missing. We're all over the place in our thoughts for suspects. I am sticking with my thoughts for Lhuna unless something else comes up that interests me. For reasons that I had stated yesterday. I think Alcarillo may be a suspect too me as well. He voted for Garin on the first day, maybe a vote to throw us off the track, then went too vote for two innocents...hmmm.

I hope to hunt down the real wolves before they hunt down us.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Valier dead !

It seems pretty clear to me that the wolves choose Valier because of her allmost known innocens. I think it would be a mistake to read to much into her post's, she was wrong just as the rest of us (in her voting), thats why I belive she was no major thread to the wolves. They knew she would not likely be lynched and therefor was of no use to them.

For the first time I am beeing talked about, I am quite glad about it as it was quite strange for me not to be suspectet frome day one.

well I still suspect the same people, but I will save accusation for a while, I hope to returne with a magnificent post.

[Kuruharan]

it was the 'all honest souls' part that caught my attention.

If you didn’t have a problem with the idea, then why mention anything about it at all? You were either being obtuse or were just trying to stir up trouble for me. That part of my comment was obviously just a turn of phrase. You are growing ever more suspicious in my mind.

But, I have a few thoughts in regard to Valier other than what TGWBS said, although similar to Amanaduial. I’m actually more interested in some of the things she said in earlier days, these things can stay in the back of a person’s mind to be revived at a later date. If she had pointed a finger at a wolf early and then dropped it, the wolves might think this a good time to get rid of her. Skipping over the irrelevant posts…Valier’s attitude toward Cailín, I agree with Amanaduial, needs consideration. As has been said above she was always suspicious of Cailín (this started in post 150). This continued in post 180 where she mentioned Cailín alongside Garin and Lhuna. Then, suddenly in post 216, Valier said she trusted Cailín a little more and voted for Garin (huzzah). Then in her famous post 244 she says she believes Cailín is innocent. If Cailín is a werewolf, last NIGHT was the perfect time to rub out Valier. That, at least, is what I glean from Valier’s posting and I think it is something to keep in mind.

Regarding the Seer, while I remain hesitant, some of the points Farael made seem compelling to me. I think it is perhaps time for the Seer to step forward and tell what they know, especially if they know the name of a wolf (although I kind of doubt it). In fact, I’m rather afraid that the Seer is not currently in possession of a great deal of ground breaking information. There is a good chance that at least one person the Seer asked about is already dead. However, if we can assemble at least some semblance of a list of innocents, perhaps it will be enough to do us some good and the wolves won’t be able to kill the innocents off quickly enough to save themselves. I’m not so sure I agree about the Hunter…but it probably is time for the Seer. Unfortunately, unless we get a wolf the Seer (and inevitably the Apprentice) may not have a whole lot to work with. There is still a large element of risk with this.

I do have a theory I would like to propose, but I am going to wait until later in the DAY to do so in order to give the Seer a chance to reveal anything they may know.

[Farael]

Unfortunately, unless we get a wolf the Seer (and inevitably the Apprentice) may not have a whole lot to work with. There is still a large element of risk with this
That is EXACTLY the point... the seer has nothing to work with right now, so he should come forward and share his information before he gets killed! we still have the apprentice and if we don't take any risks, we will not get those werewolves. They have shown to be quite cunning as I don't think anyone here can make a GOOD argument against anyone else. The only situation in which I'd tell the Seer not to bother is if two of the names he got from either Moderacil or Garin were of people who are dead now (or even the three of them) that would leave only one known innocent and the seer, which sort of defeats the purpose of my idea. If the Seer knows two live innocents (at the very least) he should come forward so that we have SOMETHING to work with.

But then it is all up to the Seer, not me, to decide.

[Formendacil]

Regarding this:


Hmm. I am unsure of how my vote will go for today; leave it for a few hours certainly… (although I shall be unable to post at the very, very end of the extended Day 4, due to it being about 12.30 my time – could we not leave it at 10.00pm GMT? It will confuse the days rather otherwise…*shrugs*)

I may have been unclear, but Day 4 will end at the same time as all the other days have ended: 5:00 pm EST, 10:00 pm GMT. It is only the start of the day that is affected.

All future days will run on the same pattern- unless we go to Friday, in which case I may be extending Day 7 in a similar manner.

Also, none of this day-changing was in my original plan. When the game started, I never worked afternoons, but I am now working a couple, so my 3:00 local time start has been screwed up a bit.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Gurthang]

If you didn’t have a problem with the idea, then why mention anything about it at all? You were either being obtuse or were just trying to stir up trouble for me. That part of my comment was obviously just a turn of phrase. You are growing ever more suspicious in my mind.

As are you in mine. The fact that you said 'all honest souls' seemed to imply that anyone who did not follow your advice was not an honest soul. I didn't like the sound of that, and so I said so. I did not have a problem with anyone going back to review what Valier said; I had a problem with you implying that anyone who did not is dishonest, thus being a wolf.

Another villager I would like to mention is Gurthang. Sure, Valier says she does not suspect him, thereby meaning she poses little or no threat to him – but remember, she’s got it wrong before, she could similarly be wrong about Gurthang’s innocence. I don’t know, I feel somewhat uneasy of him… He seems to be a prime bandwagoner, both on the mob that went after Nilp (latching onto Cailin’s theory), then – and this is an interesting one I think – onto Valier’s ‘bad feeling’ about Malkatoj (post #247)…but doesn’t really give any other explanation for this mention; he just pretty much repeats what Cailin said. I sense bandwagonage. Maybe he thought that, as Valier did not suspect him, she posed no threat, and that he could secure a pleasant relationship with her by agreeing with this feeling and maybe trying to incite feeling against another player in the hope that it would start a ball rolling – even though, again, there is no evidence. This seems like he was just trying to safely displace all suspicion onto Malka (although admittedly there was very little around him – but this could be like the paranoia Garin displayed), while almost in cahoots with Valier – meaning that killing her would be unlikely to be linked to him.

Quite frankly, this is wrong. And I can prove it factually.

You say I was "latching onto Cailin's theory" concerning Nilp. Actually, I came up with my own theories about that, so if anything, Cailin was latching onto me.

My post #155
Although, if Garin is a wolf, I'd look into Nilp actually being one also, which would make sense because of Garin saved Nilp with that last minute vote.

Cailin had mentioned Nilp thrice before that post. I'll post the core of them (where his name is). If you want to see the whole posts, just look up the numbers.

#107
How dreadfully selfish of you to start being all suicidal at a time like this! *sobs* Do you even care about the rest of us? Do you?!


Then again, this was not wholly unexpected. I’d advise everyone not to vote for Nilp, since his dead will tell us naught and by the by, he is just an attention-seeker, really. Moreover, we might be able to squeeze some sense out of one of his personalities before the end, so I vote for keeping him around for a little while longer.
#130
I have not much to go on, actually, just as much as all other innocents and may therefore seem rather judgmental. Though I do believe that Nilp is just being himself and I would have preferred to have kept him around for a few more days, he might as well be guilty and I could accept Lhuna’s vote as mere irritation. However, I have a rather high regard for our Potion Pizza Maker and would have thought her vote to be a little more… helpful.
#146
It seems like the wolves are on the good side for now, which is a positive thing! What luck they killed their only possible ally! Though I feel rather bad for killing Gil since he was just an innocent, let us be honest, we would have killed him eventually anyway. And I am rather curious to see whether Nilp continues along the same lines.

Those are not exactly the same thoughts I was having, quite the opposite in fact. I don't see how you can say that I was following him.

And as far as malkatoj is concerned, I did echo Valier's feelings. But I had already expressed slight concern about malkatoj Days before.

My post #137
I'm thinking my vote will be for either Garin, Eluchil, or malkatoj. Garin just seems almost overly defensive. Eluchil was somewhat flip-floppy earlier, and malkatoj's vote for Nilp (the third for him) seemed an awful lot like a wolf starting a bandwagon.


Which, by the way, is a feeling I still can't quite shake. But that's not near enough to make a case on, and I've got a lot more evidence against others.


But, at the moment, I have another thing entirely that I want to happen. I have seen very strong Hunter hints from two different people. One of them is a wolf, the other is the true Hunter. I'd prefer to have them come out themselves, but if necessary, I will simply call them out.

[Lhunardawen]

Don't worry guys...the Lhunatic is not to return again. Not in this game, anyway.

I must admit that I find this killing of Valier last Night rather odd...unless the wolves thought she was gifted, which I rather doubt they did. This would be a more likely explanation for her death: to incriminate those she suspected and/or to clear those she trusted enough to consider innocent. Either way, I believe this was done to help the wolves. Likely she mentioned at least one wolf among those she pegged as innocent, and then the lycans took advantage of this to let themselves off the hook.

Kuru, Gurthang, Rune, Farael, and Cailin. Which is which, I wonder.

It's weird, but Gurthang, suddenly I also share your growing suspicions of Kuruharan. For one, senseless as this might be, I wonder that he is yet alive considering that someone of his caliber should have been killed early on by the wolves.

Second, I am a bit wary of how he seems to manage to sway the village into doing things the way he wants them done. There's Garin's lynching, then later on Nilp's lynching. I'm just afraid that we might end up lynching the innocents one by one under his subtle direction.

Now I'm sure this will elicit another tirade from our dear Dwarf, but that's another thing that scares me; he's being overly defensive. It just strikes me as suspicious that he makes himself look less capable of doing anything bold than we believe he can...indeed perhaps than he believes he himself can. Could be a way to keep the werewolves from killing him, but could also be a way to keep us from suspecting him any further.

He reminds me of a certain Eomer from a certain village called Loveland...too much...

But for the meantime, I'm willing to put this growing suspicion on hold. Which reminds me, Kuru, yesterDay you said this: Unfortunately, I now have a theory that involves a couple of other people, but the only way I can think of to reliably test it is by killing Nilp even if he is innocent.Whatever this is, I believe now is a good time to let it out, since my poor brother is already dead. :rolleyes:

Enough Kuru talk for now, and let's focus on Naria, who in my mind is just becoming too clearly lupine. I'm nearly so convinced of her lycanthropy that I might be completely willing to drag her myself with me to my death, if needs be. Maybe it seems a little overdramatic, but I just feel that way.

I mean, seriously. And I'm not going to trust my mind's newbie rationalization any longer.

Since she isn't going to be back on I'll generalize my comment. I really don't know were she came up with that analysis. It looks to me like she is trying desperately to take certain eyes off of her. She has done a complete 160 and has said nothing about me up till today and vaguely goes into why she suspects me and votes for me. That my fellow villagers is suspicious behaviour. Then her abnormal behaviour in her last couple of posts. She is either using some really good hallucinogenic ingredients in her pizzas or she's trying to tell us something-wolf?

Well the time is ticking away I have too go and close up my store for today. I have suspicions about Luna(obvious reasons) and a couple of others that I don't want to go into right now. I will maintain my opinion about Nilpand vote for him today.My dear, if you really have something specific to say in your defense, you shouldn't let anyone's absence constrain you. It's seems to me just a pathetic attempt to save your hide for fear of slipping into a self-incriminating comment.

And what do you mean "obvious reasons" (for suspecting me)? Because I suspected you? There's just no way I can take eyes off of me with a suspicion of someone who was previously unsuspected.

There's really not much posts of you for me to analyze, but my radar is just beeping like crazy about you.


But, at the moment, I have another thing entirely that I want to happen. I have seen very strong Hunter hints from two different people. One of them is a wolf, the other is the true Hunter. I'd prefer to have them come out themselves, but if necessary, I will simply call them out.I've seen Hunter hints from just one person early on in the game. I wonder if we speak of the same...

[Lhunardawen]

Does anyone else think that now it is the time for the Seer to step up? He can no longer ask Moderacil nor Garinwolf, but he ought to know three innocents at the very least. Add the Seer himself that would make it four known innoncents. Any information the Seer gets from a dead innocent is only that innocent's thoughts and therefore their guess would be as good as ours. I say now it is the time for the Seer to step forward...

...Yes, the more I think about it the more convinced I am that this is the time for the seer to step forward. We have been lucky so far but we should not let the wolves gather any kind of momentum, I say let's finish them off while they are still down. And they are down now, we have gotten a werewolf and they killed the cobbler while we still have all our gifteds and the apprentice.The momentum thing is just too true...especially since I fear we're all being manipulated into doing things the werewolves want done...


Regarding the Seer, while I remain hesitant, some of the points Farael made seem compelling to me. I think it is perhaps time for the Seer to step forward and tell what they know, especially if they know the name of a wolf (although I kind of doubt it). In fact, I’m rather afraid that the Seer is not currently in possession of a great deal of ground breaking information. There is a good chance that at least one person the Seer asked about is already dead. However, if we can assemble at least some semblance of a list of innocents, perhaps it will be enough to do us some good and the wolves won’t be able to kill the innocents off quickly enough to save themselves. I’m not so sure I agree about the Hunter…but it probably is time for the Seer. Unfortunately, unless we get a wolf the Seer (and inevitably the Apprentice) may not have a whole lot to work with. There is still a large element of risk with this.Dangerously risky, yes...


That is EXACTLY the point... the seer has nothing to work with right now, so he should come forward and share his information before he gets killed! we still have the apprentice and if we don't take any risks, we will not get those werewolves.Very true; I'm sure the werewolves are on the hunt for them...


I think the seer should come forth and let us in on a few details that we're missing. We're all over the place in our thoughts for suspects. I am sticking with my thoughts for Lhuna unless something else comes up that interests me. For reasons that I had stated yesterday. I think Alcarillo may be a suspect too me as well. He voted for Garin on the first day, maybe a vote to throw us off the track, then went too vote for two innocents...hmmm.Okay, she will.

I am the Seer.

I've been trying my best to hide beneath my usually suspicious self to stay alive as long as I can, and it has gotten me to this point. However, I am humble enough to admit that there's not much I can do with the information alone and on my own, and I have the timezones to blame much for this.

Alcarillo is innocent, as well as Gurthang. Also Valier, but that is not much help now for she had already been killed. A dead one guesses that Cailin too is innocent, but obviously we can't trust that completely. The information is not much, but I can't risk losing all these in one fell swoop, bringing you all back to square one.

If ever I am finally killed by the wolves, I lay the charge on the Apprentice and the known innocents, perhaps also the Hunter if they will, to take over the hunt for our foes. And surely I won't be around to see what becomes after this, for the night is deepening where I am. I trust you would believe me and wield the information properly, for the sake of the village.

May Eru have mercy on us all...except the werewolves, of course.

++NARIA --> I must admit that I haven't dreamt of her at all, but I remain hopeful...

[the guy who be short]

Thanks Loony. :D That's excellent. We can narrow our lists now, though we must sadly say goodbye to Alcarillo or Gurthang tonight. Hopefully, they aren't gifted. In any case, one more night is guaranteed to Lhuna, possibly two if the Ranger should live. I'd like you to ask about me (is that selfish? Oh well) and, more importantly, Kuru and Cailin. I'm not quite up to date with the rules - are you allowed to ask Garin again?

In any case, Naria has made her role quite clear. Let's not kill our hunter, please?

[the guy who be short]

Meneltarmacil
Cailin
Azaelia
Farael
TGWBS
Rune
Alcarillo - Innocent
Lhunardawen - Seer
Gurthang - Innocent
Amanaduial
Naria - Hunter?
Kuruharan
Malkatoj

[Amanaduial the archer]

Cross posted with Amanduial... rather confusing post if you ask me as she seems to go back and forth between saying that Valier might have been on to something and that she was wrong. Not so much confused as simply weighing up both arguments - I was pretty much thinking aloud. It's a habit when writing essays, I do all essay subjects and you only get half marks if you only analyse one side of the argument - RL habit ;)

My, my, Gurthang, you just love that quote HTML, don't you - however, unless Lhuna is lying about being the seer (pretty much impossible, from the rules), we must accept that you are innocent, along with Alcarillo. Well, that's the Hunter's job cut out: how to protect two people at once? Which brings us to Naria, who is something of an enigma: From Cailin and The Mighty See's votes and suspicions (Lhuna - apparently I am forced to drop my suspicions on you as well. Ho hum, I will soon be forced to draw up a whole new line of suspects...), as well as the suspicion which gathered around her yesterday, Naria looked really rather guilty - yet now new clues hint that she is in fact probably the Hunter.

I hope to hunt down the real wolves before they hunt down us.

Well, it's hardly subtle.

However, this produces an interesting dilemma in itself: what if she's lying? Why would the Hunter, of all people, come forward?! My, my, the wolves will be spoilt for choice tonight, almost too good to be true for them - two known innocents, the Seer and the Hunter all arrive within ten posts of each other?! Not sure we'll even be able to gather much by who does die tonight, bearing in mind these four would all make blindingly obvious choices for any wolf, and between them those who have suspected them or been suspected by them pretty much comprises of the entire village. - I'm in school and so can't comment on this in the detail I would like right now (registration in five minutes...), but maybe I shall attempt to follow up tonight, depending on time.

The momentum thing is just too true...especially since I fear we're all being manipulated into doing things the werewolves want done... Interesting that you should say that, Lhuna: who were the people pushing for you to come forward? Farael, Kuru and, oh look, Naria are the most prominent ones to spring to mind...

I have suspicions about Luna(obvious reasons) and a couple of others that I don't want to go into right now. Oh, I just don't like this. It pretends to be cautious, maybe, or...or what? Why would you not go into the reasons on your suspicions on someone? Unless you were the Seer maybe, and had information from dreams, but didn't want to reveal your identity - but Naria evidently isn't, that post is taken and not by her. As for 'obvious reasons' about her suspicion on Lhuna - what obvious reasons? She doesn't detail any, she doesn't even make reference to anyone else's posts for arguments - she simply states that there are obvious reasons. Maybe this is an allusion to previous suspicion about Lhuna - there were several people yesterday who were prepared to lynch Nilp in the hopes of finding out about Lhuna (well, we got that certainly!). It looks like a thinly disguised bandwagon to me. I can't remove my suspicions around her, regardless of the heavy hint dropped in the above cited message. I still think that for the Hunter to step forward would be rather foolhardy from their point of view - they'd be an obvious choice for the wolves to take out.

I say now it is the time for the Seer to step forward and possibly the hunter. No. And what was Lhuna saying about manipulation? That's what this looks like: a lupine attempt to join in with the cries for the Seer to reveal their identity, and to see if they could urge the Hunter to join in in the spur of the moment - allowing them to know the identities of two of the most prized villagers as prime targets to take out. Naria then added her little 'hint' - which was just about ambiguous (hmm) so as not to exactly be lying if she wasn't the Hunter, handily allowing her to, maybe, gain some security. Maybe Farael and Naria are in cahoots - this just seems a handy little hint. Along with the suggestion that lynching Nilp would 'clear the air' rather than because he was an actual wolf, (and maybe taking Lhun's arguments of #316 into account)...well, he's suddenly looking somewhat less innocent to me.

So...I have two main suspects at the moment. But who to vote for this evening...

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Apologies for my lack of appearance yesterDay...And apologies for my soon-coming early vote, as I will be out all day, and may not be back before 5:00 (Though as a side note, does the day end at the same time? I was a little confused by the change...)

Naria was at the top of my suspect list...She seems somewhat inconsistant, and her suspicions of Alcarillo seem to me to be unreasonable...but this has given me pause:


I hope to hunt down the real wolves before they hunt down us.

What are you implying here, Naria? If you are implying what I think you are, it's pretty much a sure bet you'll be someone's meal tonight...

This calls for a re-think of my voting strategy for the day.

ETA: Also, Lhuna's revelation is a big thing, too. And it also means that Naria may not be a meal tonight either (wasn't reading very carefully, oops.)...
Back to plumb the depths of the thread for anything remotely suspicious.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

la-la-la, listing...

Ok, people still alive...

People I just don't know about...
Farael-comes off as rather suspicious... His cries for the Seer to come out and share would lead to the death of the seer (though that may be inevitable at this stage)...Lhuna chose to hide it, but there are other ways for a seer to say who is, and isn't, innocent. Little hints buried inside posts, etc. So for that reason alone, he is most suspicious to me.
TGWBS-Of all those on this list, I know the least about him...and feel that he could be the most dangerous of everyone on this list, were it true that he was a wolf.
Kuru-Again, rather dangerous, especially if the other wolf is TGWBS...
Obviously, at least one of those three has to be innocent, so I dunno.

Who I think is innocent:
Cailin...for now, based on a dead person's assumption, and at that I am inclined to let her go for a while, unless we see something that really points to the contrary.
Me (innocent, but I can say that all I want and I still won't be a known...)
Rune -I'm inclined to say Rune is innocent simply because I feel like I know the most about his thinking than anyone else up there...though that's not particularly a good reason in and of itself...
Meneltarmacil-My gut instinct told me to put him here. Not much consolation, as my instincts have been very wrong in the past...

People I can no longer wonder about:
Alcarillo-known innocent
Lhuna-Seer
Naria-Hunter...We have had hunter-bluffs before, but since no one else has spoken up and said, "no, I'm the hunter", I believe she is the real deal.
Gurthang-known innocent

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

And now I have triple-posted...

I face a dilemma. I have to vote now because I honestly have no idea when I will get home this afternoon, and it could very well be after 5:00...Because I didn't vote yesterDay, I have to vote toDay or will die.

So voting early is better than not voting at all, no?

I have been thinking it over, and it's between the three people I listed in the first group in my last post. I honestly don't know what to do... Farael seems most suspicious, but not the most dangerous particularly if TGWBS and Kuru are working together.

So should I vote for Farael whose seer request is one big red flag? Or for TGWBS who also seems suspicious to me?

Well, innocent people make mistakes...Everyone does. So I think that I will watch Farael's behavior over the next day, and vote for

++TGWBS

(And if you're innocent, I apologize...but you'd be too dangerous as a wolf, if my reasoning makes any sense at all...)

[Kuruharan]

I am the Seer.

I thought so. And if you don’t believe me, please go back and reread how I always tried to defend you but not be too obvious about it. And you being the Seer was one thing I thought Nilp’s death definitively proved…since you asked so politely. (Some confusion had crept into my mind and I wasn’t sure on DAY THREE and felt I needed confirmation.) The reason why I wanted you to come forward was because I didn't want your information to be lost if the wolves reached the same conclusion about you that I had.

I wonder that he is yet alive considering that someone of his caliber should have been killed early on by the wolves.

I’ve wondered this myself, but the continual clouds of irrational (and ill-founded) suspicion that permanently hang over my head is reason enough, don’t you think? Why kill somebody that might lead back to you if the villagers might do it for you?

There's Garin's lynching

Truly, my work in this department brought on utter catastrophe for the village. (I would spread the credit around to other people who deserve it, but that might do them more harm than good at the moment since, to hear some people talk, lynching Garin was the greatest mistake the village has made thus far. :rolleyes: )

then later on Nilp's lynching.

I was hardly the only one. Some of our proved innocents were rather forward in that. However, if being suspicious of Nilp is enough to get one hanged, why is it enough to suspect me and not enough for the other six people who voted for him?

Now I'm sure this will elicit another tirade from our dear Dwarf, but that's another thing that scares me; he's being overly defensive.

If you will take a look back up at post 315 (as a matter of fact, the one above yours) you will see our now proved innocent Gurthang behaving in a manner that could be described as defensive. I’m left wondering why people can’t take the lesson learned from this example and apply it elsewhere. However, defensiveness is not just about self-preservation. It is also about keeping others from making mistakes and not wasting this brilliant start (that somebody helped in obtaining for you).

Final comment in my own defense that I’m ever going to make (since I’m tired of wasting time on this), I would ask everyone here to remember who here has voted for known wolves the most, me. If you think this is an elaborate plot on my part to get rid of fellow wolves so I can win on my own, then I can only laugh at you. (And will unceasingly if you hang me.)

Now, on to actual stuff that might help us.

Ummm…Amanaduial, need I remind you that you are one of the people who actually voted for Lhunardawen. Indeed, your behavior throughout has been rather puzzling. You have gone on lengthy expositions that have usually not amounted to a whole lot of substantial information, seemed to go out of your way to inject confusion into the mix, and generally carried on crazy.

I continue to wonder about malkatoj. Unfortunately, there is not much substance to go on there.

However, I will defer to our proven innocents to suggest real plans of action since they don’t have to worry about their suggestions being taken the wrong way and are free to say what they please, but I hope they don’t overlook Amanaduial.

Oh, and another thing, I’m pretty confident Rune is innocent as well. He voted for Garin pretty early on DAY TWO. I’m sticking him in the innocent column on my list anyway.

[Meneltarmacil]

Okay, we now have four known innocents.

However, Lhuna and Gurthang were my primary suspects, so it's *heh heh* back to square one for me.

If we want more known innocents, (though this would run the risk of losing another Gifted) I suggest that at some point in the future the Ranger could declare him/herself nd give the name of the person he/she successfully protected. That would add two more known innocents, bringing the total up to six.

I don't know who to vote for, honestly. Maybe TGWBS, but I'm really not sure.

[Gurthang]

Thanks Loony. :D That's excellent. We can narrow our lists now, though we must sadly say goodbye to Alcarillo or Gurthang tonight. Hopefully, they aren't gifted.
Not necessarily. The Ranger has a tricky job toNight. On the one hand, he will protect Lhuna, so that she can dream of the wolf we will kill toDay. But, knowing that the wolves know that, and so will obviously not choose Lhuna, they can protect someone else, and hopefully pick the same as the wolves. Yet the wolves are reading this thinking 'now we can kill Lhuna because the Ranger won't protect her.' So the Ranger has to protect Lhuna. Which means the wolves won't pick her...

Well, you get the picture. Basically it's an endless ring, so it just comes down to what the Ranger thinks will be the wolves priority. Choose wisely, friend. :D

In any case, Naria has made her role quite clear. Let's not kill our hunter, please?

Yes, it's pretty obvious that Naria has left Hunter hints. But that makes me even more convinced of her guilt. There is another, one who has come on toDay and said they would not be here to do anything, who left Hunter hints... on Day 1! Cailin won't be here to come out, so let me show you.

So, it seems we have traitors in our midst! Let it then be known now, that whoever I find guilty of these crimes, will have reason to fear my wrath. Such brutalities will not go unanswered! *cough* but I fear there are more people than me who have a say in this. Though should they?

Well I never said I have nothing to hide – though no furry things, make no mistake, I prefer my secrets aahhh smooth, shiny, silverish – but I am talking too much. I will definitely say, though, I do not ‘chatter.’ You will find my conversation is always dignified, my friend.

I take these to be Hunter hints. Does anyone agree? I think that Lhuna did, although she isn't here to say so.

I believe Cailin over you Naria, and if you are the Hunter, I would almost think that the above hints (from Cailin) are more of a Ranger nature. So I am still wanting to lynch you toDay. If you are a wolf, hooray for the village. If you are the Hunter, then I would not advise you to pick Cailin. But that is your choice not mine.

But I still think you are a wolf. :p

[Alcarillo]

Alcarillo is innocent, as well as Gurthang. Also Valier, but that is not much help now for she had already been killed. A dead one guesses that Cailin too is innocent, but obviously we can't trust that completely. The information is not much, but I can't risk losing all these in one fell swoop, bringing you all back to square one.
Ah, thank you. Now I don't have to fight any accusations anymore. It's all smooth-sailing from here. :cool:

As for suspects, well, I don't have any. TGWBS, I guess.

[the guy who be short]

First thing's first: I thought so. And if you don’t believe me, please go back and reread how I always tried to defend you but not be too obvious about it. And you being the Seer was one thing I thought Nilp’s death definitively proved…since you asked so politely. (Some confusion had crept into my mind and I wasn’t sure on DAY THREE and felt I needed confirmation.) The reason why I wanted you to come forward was because I didn't want your information to be lost if the wolves reached the same conclusion about you that I had.This definitely speaks in your favour, Kuru. I'm not willing to name you innocent, but I'm now confident enough to pursue other investigations. Voila les loups-garous!

Predictions:
Naria will not be killed. We still have an Apprentice to replace her.
Lhuna will definitely not be killed. We still have an Apprentice to replace her. And the Ranger will most probably guard her.

I think it's incredibly important that we all, as a village, discuss who Lhuna should dream of this Night. I say discuss, but there are two major drawbacks. The first is that lupine influence will exist, marring the suggestions. The second is that, if one name is definitely chosen, the wolves can just kill that person (if innocent) in the Night. While discussion is necessary, Lhuna should have the final say.

And for Lhuna to decide, she will need evidence to work off of. Which means more analyses. :) I myself will return in a few hours.


I have just noticed Gurthang's post.

Not necessarily. The Ranger has a tricky job toNight. On the one hand, he will protect Lhuna, so that she can dream of the wolf we will kill toDay. But, knowing that the wolves know that, and so will obviously not choose Lhuna, they can protect someone else, and hopefully pick the same as the wolves. Yet the wolves are reading this thinking 'now we can kill Lhuna because the Ranger won't protect her.' So the Ranger has to protect Lhuna. Which means the wolves won't pick her...We have an apprentice. So the situation isn't quite as dire as you make it out to be.

As for Cailin as Hunter, well, she hasn't mentioned it so far today. However, I do believe that Cailin is probably the Hunter now, as a wolf would not feign Hunterism so early in the village's life. To do so would immediately bring the suspicion of the real Hunter upon them. So, my vote too will probably go to Naria. Thank's for pointing that out.

I think I now know who the Ranger is too, though perhaps it's just me picking up on things that aren't there.

In any case, Gurthang, I hope you're not gifted, because you will almost certainly die tonight. You're the loudest certain innocent.

As for the Ranger, choose wisely tonight.

[the guy who be short]

I'm not allowed to edit, so ignore the first part of my last post about Naria, where I speak of her as our Hunter.

And now, to my own defence! So far I believe I have counted three people pointing their fingers firmly at me. Evidence, please? Analyses? Motives? Reasons, people! I'm quite happy to die, but fain to do so foolhardily for no cause.

[Gurthang]

Thoughts on everyone:


Meneltarmacil - Seems to be having way to much fun *hehe*ing to seriously be a wolf. I'm actually willing to say he's innocent.
Cailin - Either the Ranger, Hunter, or a wolf. I'd bank on Hunter.
Azaelia - Unsure. Hasn't said a whole lot. Voted third for Garin, which speaks in his favor.
Farael - Voted first for Garin on his deathday. Could be a wolf, but that's a stretch.
TGWBS - Quiet and therefore suspicious. He actually did some analysis, so I'm will to push him down the list a little.
Rune – His voting makes me think him innocent.
Alcarillo - Proven innocent.
Lhunardawen - Seer
Gurthang - Proven innocent
Amanaduial - Quite a bit she's said has made me jump. Evidence seems to be building up against her in my mind.
Naria - Either the Hunter or a wolf. I'm thinking wolf.
Kuruharan - He's been climbing in suspicion. He's a very smooth talker, though, so very dangerous if a wolf.
Malkatoj – Bad feeling that I can't shake. I really wish she'd speak more. She hasn't even been here yet toDay.

Suspect:
Naria
Kuru
malkatoj
TGWBS
Amanduial

More likely innocent:
Menel
Azaelia
Farael
Rune

innocent:
Lhuna
Alcarillo
Gurthang
Cailin

In any case, Gurthang, I hope you're not gifted, because you will almost certainly die tonight. You're the loudest certain innocent.

That is, unless the Ranger protects me, but then that means the wolves won't pick me, which means.... :D

Yes, Ranger, you've got your work cut out for you. Oh, I'm not gifted, so don't worry about that. Just a plain old innocent, five straight now. *sigh*

[Naria]

Looks like I have a few people who don't believe me! I am the HUNTER!! and by saying that I will more than likely be dead tonight, but I would rather go by the fangs of a wolf than by the knives of the villagers. I hope the Ranger protects me so I can go on for at least one more day, but if I die sobeit. Cailin is NOT the HUNTER. Because of this and my inevitable lynching; what she has said in her original postings about "being a hunter". I am going too vote for her today. She isn't a Seer, she isn't a Hunter(ME), and I have a different idea about who the Ranger is.

++Cailin

[the guy who be short]

Naria, I'm afraid I don't believe you - my reasons are outlined above.

However, in case you are the Hunter, it is a simple matter of killing Cailin. You must understand that your death is a win-win situation for the village.

In scenario one, you are a Werewolf. You die, we cheer.

In scenario two, you are the Hunter. This means Cailin is obviously a werewolf. You kill her as you die, and we catch a werewolf anyway.

Either way, I believe we have a wolf in the bag today.

++Naria

[Naria]

In scenario two, you are the Hunter. This means Cailin is obviously a werewolf. You kill her as you die, and we catch a werewolf anyway.

How does this make her "obviously" a werewolf? I don't really know, just like the rest of you, who the werewolves are. I wouldn't be so sure of the win-win for the villagers. You don't know who I have picked to come down with me. It could be you or it could be someone else. I understand my role as a Hunter thank you and believe I will make the right decision when it comes too who will die with me.

[Gurthang]

Votes:

Naria - 3 (Cailin, Lhuna, TGWBS)
TGWBS - 1 (Azaelia)
Cailin - 1 (Naria)

Left - 8 (Menel, Farael, Rune, Alcarillo, Gurthang, Amana, Kuru, malkatoj)

How does this make her "obviously" a werewolf? I don't really know, just like the rest of you, who the werewolves are. I wouldn't be so sure of the win-win for the villagers. You don't know who I have picked to come down with me. It could be you or it could be someone else. I understand my role as a Hunter thank you and believe I will make the right decision when it comes too who will die with me.

If Cailin intentionally left those hints (I cannot believe that she didn't) then she is either the Hunter or a wolf. Leaving hints of being a gifted is not something an innocent villager is going to do. Unless you have some deranged far-fetched plot that almost works but was screwed up by the wolves. *cough*me in WWXIV*cough*

Sorry. Anyway she is one or the other. If she is innocent, she made a poor choice by leaving fake hints. Regardless, I still think you are a wolf, Naria, so I'm not too worried about it.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hey gang what's up!? Did I miss anything important ?

:rolleyes:

First let me appologise for my absence of late. This will end now! I will dedicate lots of time to this subject, well it depends on how long I will live.

I did not mention Naria in my last post because the hints that was left was so darn obvious and there for I did not know what to make of it. If she really is the hunter it did not make much sense to come forth like that. This could of course be because of inexpirience or because she is a wolf. (Those relative sweet creaturs)

Gurthangs post has made me lean more to the latter posibilety. . .
Yes, it's pretty obvious that Naria has left Hunter hints. But that makes me even more convinced of her guilt. There is another, one who has come on toDay and said they would not be here to do anything, who left Hunter hints... on Day 1! Cailin won't be here to come out, so let me show you.

and thank you for that.

At the moment I will be willing to vote for:

TGWBS
Naria
Menel
and
Malkatoj

[Cailín]

Ai, it is a good thing I got home earlier than expected.

I am NOT the Hunter and I believe Naria when she says she is, so sorry I voted for you. Your voting pattern was seriously incriminating, but I suppose we all make mistakes.

I am an INNOCENT VILLAGER. Yes, this claim does not prove much and I doubt anyone will believe me. I hardly intended to leave these clues and the second one was referring to my occupation, not my 'role' in this game. I feel a bit foolish now for not considering you might think it clues.

Anyway, should Naria be lynched toDay and pick me, we'd lose two innocents in one Day. That would be bad. I am now personally looking at Amanaduial, TGWBS, Meneltarmacil and Kuru, but since I just got home I have not yet had time to do proper analyses.

Lynch me or shoot me for I have been foolish - I should not have been so ambiguous but I was getting into the noble thief thingie a little too much.

Gurthang, I ask you to reconsider. Start with imagining me as a terrible fool.

[Cailín]

I don't know if I can still stop this, but what I basically said is:

Narnia is indeed the Hunter. Whatever you do, do not kill HER!

[Gurthang]

Cailin, I actually believe you, to a certain extent.

I believe you in so much that I will consider Naria the Hunter. Sorry Naria. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, I am not so sure about you Cailin. I think you may have intentionally left those hints, but then reconsidered, and now you are worried about you own hide and so have reliquished them. But that wouldn't make a lot of sense either. You are looking more wolvish, though.

[Gurthang]

So, back to the drawing board. I think that either Kuru or malkatoj would be a good choice for toDay. I'll be back with more later.

[Farael]

Naria, I'm afraid I don't believe you - my reasons are outlined above.

However, in case you are the Hunter, it is a simple matter of killing Cailin. You must understand that your death is a win-win situation for the village.

In scenario one, you are a Werewolf. You die, we cheer.

In scenario two, you are the Hunter. This means Cailin is obviously a werewolf. You kill her as you die, and we catch a werewolf anyway.

Either way, I believe we have a wolf in the bag today.

++Naria
Not as simple as Mr. TWBS puts it because
a) As it happened, Cailin could have meant something else... for the time being I will believe that her comment on shiny things was regarding her being a noble cleptomaniac... after all, the first days is when most roleplaying is done as there is nothing else to go on with.

b) The Ranger cannot protect anyone without at the very least, a nasty looking knife... what if she was hinting at another type of giftedness? wouldn't it be too convenient for the wolves for the Hunter to take down the Ranger so that that very same night they can take off the Seer? if that happened, it would be smooth sailing from there, barring any majour wolvish mistakes.

c) If you study your history books you will see that long time ago there was a village populated by werewolves which was infiltrated by brave heroes... yes, quite ironic that now the opposite has happened... yet that village also had a "Hunter" who decided to come forward because he was about to be lynched and did not have any good clues with regards to whom to take down with him. He thought that his revelation would stir conversation and it did, alas from the wrong person. The point here is that as Naria saw she was soon to be killed, tried to warn us because if she took down another innocent with her, it would be just playing into the hands of the wolves.

Really, I believe you smarter than that and I think you were trying to push us into making a BIG mistake. Even if you were not, we should try to save Naria, so I propose

++TheGuyWhoBeShort

[the guy who be short]

Buggrit, buggrit, buggrit! Millenium Hand and Shrimp!

By which I mean, roughly: crud.

Basically, I'm lost. Utterly bamboozled. Suspicious of Malkatoj. Regretting the vote. Even more lost.

I suppose it was a bit rash to vote before Cailin reappeared, though as I believed her to be a wolf I didn't think she'd come back anyway. I'm not even sure what I think anymore - maybe Cailin actually is a wolf.


The entire message above is condensed in the following: Anybody have any ideas about what to do now?

[Farael]

I know, I'm double-posting but I just wanted to add that on point b) I actually thought she meant she was the ranger for some reason... probably because a hunter would hint at taking someone down, or so I think.

[Farael]

Crossposted twice with TGBS.... but I guess I did not double-post after all!!

[Meneltarmacil]

Saving our Hunter before it's too late *heh heh* does sound like a good idea. A very good idea, in fact.

++the guy who be short

*heh heh* I can just see people posting "Menel's a bandwagoning wolf" coming in... But I'm not a wolf! Seriously!

*snarls, howls*

[Cailín]

I feel terrible for leaving you in disarray again, but this will probably be my last post toDay.

Just to try to organize the chaos, this is what we now know:

Seer- Lhunardarwen
Hunter- Naria
Innocent- Gurthang
Innocent- Alcarillo

We all think Rune innocent, but we don't know. We do hardly doubt Farael, and yet we don't know. Some dead guy or gal thinks I'm innocent but you don't know.

We must catch a wolf toDay to make Lhuna's last dreams worthwile. Now the ones who proposed the plan of lynching me and Naria simultaneously (cause that would have been the result) would normally be my immediate suspects. However, it was Gurthang mostly, supported by Guy... and we know Gurthang is innocent, plus, he had a point (that rarely happens during these games and is therefore an important occasion).

I do not trust Kuru. I'd ask Lhuna to dream of him toNight, in the happy event that we do catch a wolf. Mostly because I very much wish to be able to believe him, and that is the only way. I hardly trust Amanaduial. She makes less sense each Day and was especially confusing this early morning. Malkatoj is extremely sneaky, and so is Meneltarmacil - someone we have hardly yet discussed or pointed at since Day 1. I'm not quite fond of the TGWBS is guilty theory, for though he has made some possible incriminating votes, it seems he's only accused because of his silence.

I have to leave now, so sorry. Choose wisely, dears.

[the guy who be short]

Looks like I'm dying today... ah well. And, unfortunately, I have little time to analyse you lot before I retire.

When it's all over, look to Malkatoj and Menel. I especially dislike Malkatoj's silence since I accused her, and Menel just feels odd.

For the record, Cailin, Naria, Kuru, I believe to be innocent.

Rune and Farael and Azaelia and Amanduial are wild cards. Rune is the one I feel safest of, the others worry me a little.

Farewell.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

We all think Rune innocent, but we don't know. We do hardly doubt Farael, and yet we don't know. Some dead guy or gal thinks I'm innocent but you don't know.

and I am glad, but it is a dangours thing to do.



I do not trust Kuru. I'd ask Lhuna to dream of him toNight, in the happy event that we do catch a wolf. Mostly because I very much wish to be able to believe him, and that is the only way. I hardly trust Amanaduial. She makes less sense each Day and was especially confusing this early morning. Malkatoj is extremely sneaky, and so is Meneltarmacil - someone we have hardly yet discussed or pointed at since Day 1. I'm not quite fond of the TGWBS is guilty theory, for though he has made some possible incriminating votes, it seems he's only accused because of his silence.


I must agree that Kuru would be a good person to dream about.

I am glad that you chose to mention both Menel and Malkatoj, I have been suspecting them both since day one. Unfortunatley people stopped thinking about Menel when he pointet out the cobbler. (exept Luhna who belived it to be a wolfish plot to confuse us) Malkatoj made a wolfish vote on day 1 and have been sneeky this is enough for me to vote for her, yet another time.

[the guy who be short]

Today is going very badly for the village. So far, all the 7 votes have been for people I am now confident are, in fact, innocent. Perhaps the best thing to do is to kill me off, as I know I am not gifted. Or maybe there can be some sort of effort against Malkatoj, who many people seem to suspect. I don't much mind, my life isn't that valuable.

Before I go, however, I have some final things to say.

Firstly, I am relocating Farael and Azaelia to "suspicious" status, along with Malkatoj and Menel.

A final note. I am certain that Naria will die this night. Please choose somebody sensible to kill - i.e. nobody I think is innocent!

[Farael]

I almost forgot to make a quick statement with regars to me asking the Seer to come forward. At the present time and unless we nail another wolf, the Seer is useless. That's probably what Lhuna thought when she came forward.

Now, what reminded me of this? oh yeah, dreaming about Kuruharan.... well, I think we should wait until we get a werewolf before asking about him, because if you ask half of the innocent people still alive they will say him innocent... while the other half will say him guilty. Problem is that innocents know nothing about who is guilty and who is not and so someone might think Kuruharan is innocent and set him somewhat free of suspicion while he might be a cunning wolf. I say this because from what I understand, you can't ask about the same person twice, so I'd wait a little. Although who knows? maybe we'll get a werewolf by the end of the day. I'm half-regretting having cast a quick vote against TGWBS but I think we should save Naria, and he had a vote and was looking suspicious. No, I stand by my choice and as I said before, I'll die for it if needed be.

[Gurthang]

Votes:

Naria - 3 (Cailin, Lhuna, TGWBS)
TGWBS - 3 (Azaelia, Farael, Menel)
Cailin - 1 (Naria)

Left - 8 (Rune, Alcarillo, Gurthang, Amana, Kuru, malkatoj)

Humperdink.

I'm almost at a loss. But then in the darkness, a phrase shone through:


For the record, Cailin, Naria, Kuru, I believe to be innocent.

Why do you believe Kuru to be innocent?! Was it not just yesterday that you voted for him? Hmmm... this could do with some looking into.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Votes:

Naria - 3 (Cailin, Lhuna, TGWBS)
TGWBS - 3 (Azaelia, Farael, Menel)
Cailin - 1 (Naria)

Left - 8 (Rune, Alcarillo, Gurthang, Amana, Kuru, malkatoj)


ehm this does not add up Gurthang.

since I am really confused about TGWBS I will not vote for him, but for Malkatoj.

++Malkatoj

[Kuruharan]

Things seem to have gotten into a bit of a muddle all of a sudden.

I’m torn between voting for Amanaduial and TGWBS. Both of their behavior has been strange. I still have half an hour to re-read the thread.

Where has malkatoj got to?

[Gurthang]

I am now in full support of lynching Guy toDay. He has been extremely inconsistent; Quietness speaks against him.

The main reason I now call for his death is his switch on Kuru. He jumped onto Kuru after little or no previous inclination, and then simply dropped the attack the next Day. Just a little while ago, he decided that Kuru is innocent. The last time he said anything about Kuru, prior to that post, he stated he was NOT willing to call him innocent. Between those two posts, Kuru has said nothing.

Not to mention that those two are one of the pairs. In fact, they are the only pair left, since Naria was in both of the others.

Expect me to vote for TGWBS later.

If, and only if, he is a wolf, I would advise the following.

Lhuna, please ask TGWBS about Kuru.
Ranger, please protect Lhuna, so she can tell us about Kuru.
Naria, do not hunt Kuru. We will know everything about him tomorrow. Pick someone else, like malkatoj perhaps.

Remember, only follow that if Guy is a wolf. If he is not, you can still do it, but it won't be nearly as effective.

I'll be back later to explain why this will help us.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Well, I'm with TGWBS on one thing: Buggrit!

Hom. Oh, firstly, I'd like to start off with a fact that has apparently still been overlooked: very much female in this corner. If you want to suspect me, fine, your choice, but, y'know, at least put me down as wily female rather than Sauron-figure male. ;)

Ummm…Amanaduial...your behavior throughout has been rather puzzling. You have gone on lengthy expositions that have usually not amounted to a whole lot of substantial information, seemed to go out of your way to inject confusion into the mix, and generally carried on crazy. *sigh* Seems I'd have been labeled as Cobbler had she not been taken out quite so early in the game. I...it's a habit. I was procrastinating from an RS essay (Virtue ethics: what makes someone Good? Lol, relevant or what...) at that time, so I was somewhat in that mindset when I made my last two posts. But Cailin, Cailin, Cailin - O how you have fallen, you who believed so firmly that I was innocent earlier in the game? Shows how far things can change since the beginning, and indeed, on that note I once again refer to TGWBS - all my suspicions has been forced to alter, and I am now somewhat back at square one. Well, maybe not completely...

Naria-Hunter...We have had hunter-bluffs before, but since no one else has spoken up and said, "no, I'm the hunter", I believe she is the real deal. Well...I mean, actually, no - I've already voiced my doubt on exactly how wise announcing that you are the Hunter is. How likely is it that the real Hunter is going to come forward and blow their own cover? Maybe they might vote for her, suspecting her to be a wolf - talk about a good cover - but I find it unlikely that they would come forward. I think Naria being a wolf is still more likely - it would, as I've said, be an excellent cover for a wolf, and she secures her safety from the other villagers. Well, theoretically - the fact remains that she is still jointly in the lead with votes, and as the first person to have accumulated three votes, she is still first in line to execution. Sure, we might think twice about denouncing her as a wolf (the total irony of the possibility that we might kill one of our greatest assets is one that certainly makes me a little jumpy) but this would be an almost perfect lupine plan.

My doubts on Farael, as seen in my previous post; apparently this view is not solidly held, although I note that people are no longer totally overlooking him - "wildcard" "suspicious status", "hardly doubted but we don't know." We sure don't - and as I feel less sure on him that on Naria, it will probably be Naria who gains my vote tonight. But, half an hour left, depends on whether a vote by either may sway my ideas...

(Oh, and Kuru and Cailin: I solemnly swear to try to be more one-sided and less rounded in future. Sound good? :p )

(Crosspost with Gurthang, Kuru and Rune)

[Kuruharan]

Well, I’ve re-read the thread. (Well, re-skimmed might be more accurate.)

I see Gurthang also finds this individual’s switch on me to be a little strange.

So,

++ The Guy Who Be Short

I’ve been suspicious of him from DAY ONE and his behavior has continued to be bizarre. He was almost totally silent (except to vote for innocents, including our Seer) before. Now that we may be closing in on him he is certainly vocal enough. He had the appearance of somebody watching the rest of the people slash at each other. Plus, his sudden reversal on me is a bit…odd. It is almost like he is canvassing for support or something. Since I’ve been suspicious of him for so long I think I carry on through with it.

Umm…malkatoj did vote yesterday…didn’t she?

[Formendacil]

In case I have not been perfectly clear about times, Day 4 has approximately 15 minutes left to run.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Amanaduial the archer]

Oh, meh, I'm off to play the cello, and I won't be back probably until after the deadline, so I hereby make my vote with quarter of an hour to go of the Day:

++Naria

EDIT: Crosspost with Kuru and Modacil. And yes, Kuru, Malka did vote yesterday.

[Gurthang]

Amana, if you are trying to say you are the Hunter, you really should just say it. It's almost like you were saying it in a round about way. If you are, say so. There's not time left.

[Kuruharan]

Malka did vote yesterday.

That's right. I remember that now. *Whew* we're not going to have another summary execution toDAY, thank goodness.

[Gurthang]

I dare not wait longer.

++TGWBS

Let's hope he's a wolf.

Gifteds, good luck toNight. Wolves, crappy luck to you. :p

[Alcarillo]

Swayed by Gurthang's words, I shall vote for

++The Guy Who Be Short

[Gurthang]

Kuru, if I die toNight, look at Amana's second to last post. That longer one.

[Formendacil]

As the day drew to a close, the ballots were being counted. The Guy Who Be Short, who had been among Naria’s greatest opponents before Cailín had made clear that she was not a Hunter, seemed to have drawn the short straw of the day.

“I’m telling you,” he insisted, as they began to encircle him, and prevent his escape, “this is pointless! I may be misguided, but I’m innocent.”

Seeing the villagers massed around, The Guy Who Be Short took a long, deep breath, clearly sizing up his odds- odds which no sane man would have bothered attempting. But desperation seized him, and The Guy Who Be Short knocked over Farael, and tried to make a run for it.

As with Garin’s attempted escape, the entire village chased after him, and the speedier ones among them were soon catching up. Only one villager didn’t give chase. Amanaduial coolly drew an arrow from her quiver, set it to her bowstring, raised her longbow, drew back on the string, and with a faint whistling, the arrow sprang forward, taking down The Guy Who Be Short in the back. He dropped like a lead weight to the ground.

“I can’t believe… you didn’t believe… me,” he gasped in his last moments.

“Can’t believe it?” said Meneltarmacil, “he certainly earned his death!”

“I agree,” said Alcarillo. “He’s as mad as a hatter.”

“He was a hatter,” said Azaelia, dryly.

“That’s why it was funny,” said Alcarillo.

“Well, he hasn’t changed a bit,” said Lhuna, “and I’m pretty sure he’s dead. I guess he’s just an INNOCENT VILLAGER.”

“He’s still an idiot,” said Gurthang.

“Let’s not speak ill of the dead,” said Naria. “At least we can give him a proper burial- and let’s get it done before sundown if we can…”

And so the villagers of Dol-in-Gaurhoth gathered up the body of the dead Guy Who Be Shot and buried him beneath the hanging tree in the village square. On a slat of wood, they wrote his epitaph. The top of the board, whereon was written his name, was lost, and so he is only known to history as “The Guy”.

“Here Lies The Mad Hatter.
May he rest in peace,
Troubled no more by Hare-y beasts.”

Day 4 is now over, Night 5 has begun. Posting should be over.

I will be needing names from the Seer, Ranger, and Werewolves.

Day 5 will begin and end at the normal times.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

The fifth day after Formendacil’s death began with a red sun rising over the village.

“Red at night, sailor’s delight; red in the morning, sailors take warning,” murmured Alcarillo.

“What do sailors have to do with us?” asked Farael. “We’re way too far inland.”

“Just a rhyme I picked up in Pelargir,” said Alcarillo. “Anyway, it strikes me as a bad omen. I imagine that somebody died last night.”

“And somebody will probably die today,” agreed Kuruharan, coming up behind them.

The village square was slowly starting to gather the remaining villagers. One by one they trickled in from their respective homes, until finally the last-rising Lhunardawen arrived.

“Did you have another vision?” Meneltarmacil wanted to know immediately.

“Yes, hold on,” said Lhuna. “Is everybody here?”

They took their morning headcount. Someone was missing. Gurthang, usually an early riser, being a rancher, had not risen.

As one, they made their way to the small house where Gurthang lived when pasturing his cattle near the town. “Better than life on the range,” he had said.

Bravely, Amanaduial pushed the door ajar, and then stopped, horrified, at the gory scene that met her eyes. The others pushed in behind her.

What they saw was not for the faint of heart. Gurthang’s home was covered in sticky, drying blood. Guts had sprayed the walls, and shreds of flesh were scattered over the furniture and across the floor. What was left of his body lay crumpled in the middle of the floor.

“He put up a fight at first,” said Malkatoj. “Look at all the wolf hair scattered around!”

“Let’s not bury him, what’s say,” suggested Naria. “It’s a bit uncustomary, but I think a cremation would be more in order.”

“Before we grab our torches, let’s see what message they left us,” said Rune.

“Why bother?” asked Kuruharan. “It’ll just be more self-satisfied crowing about how stupid we are and unable to find them.”

“How would you know?” asked Meneltarmacil. “Are you a Werewolf?”

“Having a brain doesn’t make me a Werewolf!” retorted the Dwarf.

At this point, Naria had caught sight of the note, pinned to the wall, smeared with blood. She looked over it once, and then crumpled it up, and tossed it onto the floor.

“More of the same,” she said. “We may as well let it burn.”

Leaving the house, the Villagers set fire to Gurthang and his home, and returned to the village square to try and out his killers in yet another day of accusations and lies.


Night 4 is over, Day 4 is begun.

You may begin posting.

Those alive:

Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town
Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia - Town Drunk
Farael - Worm Hunter
Rune – Misplaced Hobbit Peace Activist
Alcarillo - Moneylender
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person
Amanaduial - Northman Travel Guide
Naria - Store Proprietor
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant
Malkatoj – Philosophy Professor

Those dead:

Formendacil - Moderator - Killed by Werewolves, Night 1
Gil-Galad - Shrubber - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 1
Kath - Gongfarmer - Cobbler - Killed by Werewolves, Night 2
Garin - Horse Loaner - Werewolf - Killed by Vilager, Day 2
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper - Ordo - Killed "Accidentally" by Werewolf, Day 2
NIGHT 3 - NO DEATH
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 3
Valier - Brewmaster - Ordo - Killed by Werewolves, Night 4
TGWBS - Hat Maker - Ordo - Shot by the Village, Day 4
Gurthang - Rancher - Ordo- Killed by Werewolves, Night 5

[Kuruharan]

Well, I'm afraid this hardly comes as a shock.

I don't have time at the moment for an in depth analysis.

However, I am very interested to see if Amanaduial has anything approaching coherent to say...

More when I return.

[Cailín]

Well, I had expected this. Poor Gurthang. Lhuna, what can you tell us? I fear it is not much...

I was rather suspicious of TGWBS the previous days, but ultimately got this nagging feeling he might be an innocent after all. I was not surprised, though very disappointed of course when it turned out he indeed was an Ordo.

I’m too sleepy to make much sense, so I shall just list names again.

Proven Innocents:

Alcarillo
Lhunardawen
Naria

Likely Innocent But Also Likely Not (and how ironic if among these are in fact our wolves):

Azaelia
Farael
Rune

Those Who Are Probably Going To Argue One Another To Death toDay:

Kuruharan
Meneltarmacil
Amanaduial
Malkatoj
Cailín (I suppose I go into this category myself)

Among those who are left, there are still two other Gifteds!

I would ask any of our Gifteds, even though this might sound illogical, to reveal themselves IF and only IF they are likely going to be lynched toDay. And that is not when Amanaduial mentions you in one of her jumpy posts or when Malkatoj expresses one of her bad feelings, or if someone random votes for you, but if you are in real, actual danger. We cannot risk losing you and if your claim is fought, we have found ourselves a wolf!

I could agree with lynching anyone in the last category (excepting me of course, I am not yet as suicidal as some Ordos were) but possibly also in category two if someone comes up with an excellent theory (and then I am of course inclined to trust our three proven innocents more, though anyone could be wrong).

I will analyse tomorrow and see if I can come up with anything at all, though I must admit I feel as much at loss as yesterday. I was so convinced of Naria’s guilt, I shall have to come up with an entirely new theory.

[Amanaduial the archer]

And that is not when Amanaduial mentions you in one of her jumpy posts or when Malkatoj expresses one of her bad feelings, or if someone random votes for you

...Or if someone randomly attacks you with general abandon in a sleepy post. Honestly, by all means suspect me, I can't control your minds, but please do not randomly insult me. Kuru too.

As for that remark, Kuruharan...*sigh* Am I honestly the only name you can think of as a suspect? Lhuna 'outed' Gurthang as a known innocent, along with Alcarillo: quite frankly, how likely was it that both of them were going to survive the night, no matter who the werewolf was? Yes, Gurthang indicated suspicion over me in several posts, and malkatoj was also mentioned - but not so conveniently for you, despite your chuminess yesterday, Gurthang indicated suspicion over you as well only yesterday. And after that you two just seemed to get closer and closer...nice attempt at washing your hands of any blame. I don't suppose you're as blameless as you'd like to make out.

And Cailin - Naria isn't actually proven to be innocent: we only have her word on her being a Hunter. I mean, yeah, very likely, but not completely without doubt.

I await Lhuna's news with interest from her dreams last Night - until then, however, I'm with Cailin: really should sleeeep...:)

[Meneltarmacil]

Don't know who to vote for... and also probably won't post much for several hours due to mountains of work.

However, if we can narrow down the known innocents even further, we may be able to find the wolves through process of elimination.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Just checking in quickly, and to warn ahead of time to expect another early vote since I have work until about this time tomorrow as well, and school before that, etc...you know the drill.

The turn of events was not too unexpected last Night, since he had just been confirmed as innocent. So we learn pretty much nothing from that... Off to eat supper, then analyze some more...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will be following this day very close, not because I am totaly lost, but because I am sick.

I will proberbly wait until Luhna have postet before I make up my mind about anything.

I still think we should consider Malkatoj, but lets see what happens.

[malkatoj]

Ack, sorry I missed yesterDay, I was eaten by college things and working to earn money to get to Europe. I've read over the posts from the Day, but not quite enough to form my suspicions completely (though Gurthang was high on my list...this complicates things).

I'll be reading over yesterDay's posts and paying very close attention to toDay's. Apologies again if I don't post much, but it's end-of-semester week in school so I have lots of work to do (don't teachers know that BD is more important?).

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

So... A list and A Vote...

Known Innocents
Alcarillo-Known
Naria-Hunter
Lhuna-Seer

Who I think is likely to be innocent
Azaelia- again, I can say I am innocent and I know it, but none of you will know for sure, so here I am.
Cailin-because she still hasn't done anything to make me suspicious
Rune-because, again, he seems reasonable, and hasn't done anything too crafty and clever and wolfish.

Suspicious
Kuruharan-Still. But slightly less so because TGWBS is not a wolf. The scariest thing about him yesterDay was his potential to lay waste to this entire town when paired with TGWBS. Now, I think he does feel defensive (But then again, we all are to some extent, and it's a natural part of this game), and this just doesn't feel right: Final comment in my own defense that I’m ever going to make (since I’m tired of wasting time on this), I would ask everyone here to remember who here has voted for known wolves the most, me. If you think this is an elaborate plot on my part to get rid of fellow wolves so I can win on my own, then I can only laugh at you. (And will unceasingly if you hang me.)
I know how frustrating it is to defend yourself and have no one listen (see just about every other game of werewolf I've ever played), but that just isn't right. I voted for the one known wolf that we killed: Garin. As did the majority of people!
Amanaduial-Looking back over yesterDay, her posts are very confusing. Seeing all sides of an issue is important, I do agree, and I try to see everything both ways, but there's a line there between helping others to see the big picture, and just creating confusion
Farael-This is left over from yesterDay, really, and I have nothing to compare his behavior against toDay, so he gets away with no vote for me.

Who I just don't know about
Meneltarmacil
Malkatoj

So obviously, I am going to vote for someone on my list of suspicious people. But none of them has said anything toDay, except for something very, very brief from Kuru. And now I attempt to reason myself out of the corner that my schedule has put me in.
Of the three on my list, Kuru would be the most dangerous, were he a wolf. I think.
Aman could just be trying to be helpful and failing...Sometimes thinking aloud can have disasterous results (and don't I know that's true). And I wouldn't want to vote for her simply on that basis.
My main peeve with Farael is that he called for the revelation of the Seer yesterday...but that doesn't seem like a fair reason to me.

At this point, any vote I make will be unfair. It's so early on. And I hate being the first to vote. Especially when none of my suspects have posted yet. So this is a half-random vote. I'll pick the person that I think is most dangerous (yeah that went well yesterDay *sarcastic*), hope for the best, and ask forgiveness in the event that the seer should return in a couple hours time and say that my suspect is, in fact, innocent.

So here's my vote.

++Kuru

Apologies if you're innocent, Kuru...Must feel like you're wearing a Kick Me sign on your back. :-/ (Perhaps you should be flattered that someone thinks you're dangerous? No, that didn't come out quite right)

[Kuruharan]

I'm currently working on an in depth analysis of Amanaduial's posting as well as a voting record for all the survivors. I think it will be rather illuminating. I hope we don't have anymore hasty voting before I can finish...

[Alcarillo]

I'm going to bed now, just to warn you, so you won't hear from me for the rest of the day. I don't think I'll vote today; it's just too early and I'm not sure about anything.

Good luck!

[Lhunardawen]

Well, I had expected this. Poor Gurthang. Lhuna, what can you tell us? I fear it is not much...Yes, it is not much, but I think it's good enough. I'll tell you all in a sec.

And I do agree about Gurthang. I feel so guilty for having (directly or not) caused his death. Especially at a time like this, he would have been a very great help to us...which could explain why he was killed last Night.


And Cailin - Naria isn't actually proven to be innocent: we only have her word on her being a Hunter. I mean, yeah, very likely, but not completely without doubt.Aman, this could have something to do with your being a first-timer, but usually when someone claims to be the Hunter, that person is the real deal. Nobody in his/her sane mind will do something like that if not true. Besides, if Naria is really NOT the Hunter, the real one will come out so we could commence with lynching Naria.

But that brings to my mind this unlikely possibility: You are the real Hunter. When I mentioned yesterDay that I've been picking up Hunter hints from someone, it was you that I had in mind. And with your continual opposition of Naria's claim, I'm beginning to think more that you might really be the Hunter. That, or you're a bold wolf. Less likely, a misled or very suspicious ordo.

If my former assumption is right, please come out and say so. It confuses all of us, your hinting (so it seems) that Naria is lying. We're already confused enough looking for the wolves.

Anyways, I'm just wondering who the Ranger could have protected last Night. While I hope it wasn't me, so could go on living two more Days, tops...I think I'll be more helpful dead than alive. Think about it. Unless we lynch a wolf, I won't be getting anything certain - even if I ask the more insightful dead innocents. However, when I am killed and the Apprentice replaces me, they will get the chance to ask dear Formendacil again, as well as Garin. That's two certain dreams automatically.

The risk here, however, is if the wolves get to the Ranger and/or the Apprentice first. And right now, that's a risk we can't take. Not at all.

[Kuruharan]

Amanaduial’s Posting History

DAY ONE

Post 60 – Basic stupid DAY ONE post

Post 102 – Basically another stupid DAY ONE post – votes for me

DAY TWO

Post 169 – Critiques Lhuna for a hasty vote
Says Nilp is strange
Comments on Alcarillo being overly competitive
Makes a completely random and senseless remark about Rune (even though it was in Rune’s favor it was still senseless)
Comments on malkatoj
Then votes for Lhuna in her first post of the DAY, doing the exact same thing she faulted Lhuna for, which seems to have formed the basis for her own vote

Post 171 – Thinks Nilp is innocent

Post 188 – Gurthang had challenged her criticisms of Alcarillo, so she defended herself
Expressed conflicting opinions of Cailín
Then expressed confusion regarding the knowledge possessed by the Cobbler
Then mentioned (obliquely) the possibility she might change her vote

Post 209 – Defended Garin
Attempted to defend Garin by throwing suspicion on Cailín
Says she “thinks” Garin is innocent and further defends him

Post 220 – Does an “oopsie!” for thinking she can change her vote
Criticizes Valier for voting for Garin

Post 225 – Asks if Eluchil’s failure to vote would override Garin’s impending doom.
Says Eluchil still had time
This is a very curious post considering the way she defended Garin and what Garin turned out to be

DAY THREE

Post 233 – Says Valier and Alcarillo are probably innocent
Suspects TGWBS. Lhuna, and malkatoj because they don’t post much
Vague about Meneltarmacil
Suspicious of Nilp
Wonders again about the knowledge of the Cobbler

Post 281 – Now refuses to vote for Nilp, even though she suspected him in the previous post, because Nilp is just like that.
Says her suspicions of Cailín are waning but those of Lhuna seem to be growing
Wants to hear more from Naria and Azaelia
Says Naria is also in line for a vote from her

Post 288 – Still defends Nilp
Votes for Lhuna

Post 291 – Still sort of defends Nilp

DAY FOUR

Post 305 – Says Rune and Farael are probably innocent
Says her suspicions of Lhuna are waning, but she still holds them
Suspects Cailín
Argues against Gurthang – this argument was rejected by Gurthang in post 315

Seer Revelation in post 317

Post 320 – Concedes Gurthang and Alcarillo are innocent
Says Naria looked guilty but is probably the Hunter
Comments that the wolves have lots of choices that NIGHT
Notes that Farael, me, and Naria were the ones most vocal about the Seer revelation
Then faults Naria for suspecting Lhuna (Pot calling Kettle “Black”)
Says will vote for Naria or Farael, which is strange because earlier in this post she said she thought Naria was the Hunter. She does explain she thinks this might be a wolf plan.

Hunter Revelation in post 331

Cailín says she is not the Hunter in 336

Post 354 – Explains why she continues to believe Naria is a wolf in further detail, in spite of these revelations.
Says Naria is currently tied for the lead and since Naria got there first she’d be the one hung under current circumstances (I think this is very important in light of her later vote)
Believes Naria is operating a perfect wolf plan
Still suspects Farael

Post 357 – Voted for Naria, brining back the tie I’d just broken by voting for TGWBS. Was she perhaps hoping somebody else would come along to vote against Naria?

DAY FIVE
Post 367 – Accusatory of me
Says Naria is not proven innocent, but says it is likely that she is. This is an utter contradiction to her behavior on DAY FOUR with no explanation. This is especially troubling in light of her eager pursuit of Naria.

Voting History

Meneltarmacil – Gil-Galad, No Vote, Nilp, TGWBS

Cailín – Gil-Galad, Eluchil, Naria, Naria

Azaelia – Menel, Garin, No Vote, TGWBS, Kuru

Farael – Eluchil, Garin, Nilp, TGWBS

Rune – Gil-Galad, Garin, malkatoj, malkatoj

Alcarillo – Garin, Cailín, Nilp, TGWBS

Lhunardawen – Nilp, Eluchil, Naria, Naria

Amanaduial – Kuru, Lhuna, Lhuna, Naria

Naria – Nilp, Cailín, Nilp, Cailín

Kuruharan – Garin, Garin, Nilp, TGWBS

malkatoj – Nilp, Lhuna, TGWBS, No Vote

Those Who Have Voted Twice for a Wolf
Kuruharan

Those Who Have Voted Once for a Wolf
Alcarillo, Azaelia, Farael, Rune

Those Who Have Never Voted for a Wolf
Meneltarmacil, Cailín, Lhunardawen, Amanaduial, Naria, malkatoj

Voting Order DAY FOUR
Cailín – Naria
Lhunardawen – Naria
Azaelia – TGWBS
Naria – Cailín
TGWBS – Naria
Farael – TGWBS
Menel – TGWBS
Rune – malkatoj
Kuru – TGWBS
Aman – Naria
Gurthang – TGWBS
Alcarillo – TGWBS

I find Amanaduial disturbing for a number of reasons. First of all there are these repeated bits of confusion about the rules, which could be designed to spread confusion among the innocent. Then there is the general style of her postings which are usually either quite brief or long and rambling. The lengthy posts tend to be quite confusing to attempt to sit down and decipher as the meaning can be buried under a prodigious amount of verbage. A few posts also contradict each other from beginning to end. This all could smack very strongly of a wolf who is attempting to appear helpful while in actuality attempting to lead every one astray. Finally, there is the fact that she has never voted for a wolf. Those are my more general reasons for suspicion.

Specifically, she defended our deservedly dead enemy Garin. She actually went to some lengths to do this and posted about it several times. Then there is that very strange post 225 where she’s asking about Eluchil’s death overriding Garin’s. In light of Garin’s status this seems just a touch over-concerned.

Her behavior toward Cailín and Farael could charitably be described as “waffling” and usually for not entirely sound reasons.

However, the real whopper is her behavior toward Naria. Now, granted, she was hardly the only one to express suspicions about Naria. What is different is how she reacted after Cailín declared she was not the Hunter and said Naria was. Not only did Amanaduial continue her pursuit of Naria it became even more strident. She pointed out that Naria was the one currently in line for the chop. After my vote for TGWBS she promptly swooped down and created another tie. As I said above, was she hoping somebody else would come in and off Cailín? Then toDAY Amanaduial says she thinks Naria is at least “innocent” (without explaining herself), which in effect means she now thinks Naria is the Hunter. This is downright incriminating given her behavior yesterDAY.

I believe that yesterDAY Amanaduial was hoping that Naria would be killed and that Naria would kill Cailín (since Naria had voted that way and a dark cloud of suspicion did fall on Cailín for a bit there yesterDAY). This would dispose of two innocents at one blow, and one of them a dangerous innocent at that. ToDAY she’s changed her tactics because she thinks she can score more points by going along with the notion that Naria is the Hunter. She is probably thinking of going after me based on my arguments with Gurthang. We’ll see when we get there.

One thing that could speak in her favor is that she supported Nilp (mostly, she spoke against him in post 233...possibly an attempt to goad the rest of us in one direction while she switched sides). However, this could have been a little ploy on her part to build immunity for herself by supporting somebody who was probably going to get it at some point. Then, afterwards, if people began to seriously call her into question, she could go back and say, "See, I told you so!"

Now, is this an iron-clad case against Amanaduial?

No, I’m afraid it isn’t. Each one of these things taken individually, while some do seem a little more suspicious than others, could be reasonably explained away. However, it is the continual piling of one odd behavior on top of another that really begins to grow alarming. Even so, this could be just a pile of unfortunate circumstances. But, I think this pile reeks strongly of a wolf and I think it deserves serious consideration. (She even voted for our Seer twice.) I'm also not convinced that Cailin has clean hands in all this business, but I think Amanaduial is deserving of our attention for the present.

I do have a tactical suggestion to make, but I’d like to wait for our Seer and our confirmed innocent to offer their opinions before offering it. (I’m afraid Naria doesn’t quite count as “confirmed” even though I’m perfectly prepared to believe her).

[Kuruharan]

Well, I was hoping for something a little more helpful from Alcarillo.

However, our Seer has arrived. Unfortunately, I'm just leaving.

So I'm going to offer my tactical suggestion now. I think you are quite right to demand an answer from Amanaduial about her alleged Hunterness (I personally don't believe it). If she claims to be the Hunter, we have a problem of dueling Hunters. The only available option would be to kill one of them and order them, if they are in fact the Hunter, to kill the other.

It is a bit ruthless, I know, but when you have dueling Hunters it is really the only thing to do.

We also might want to consider killing Naria toDAY if things really become cloudy (i.e. Amanaduial denies being the Hunter and can plausibly explain things away). There is a chance (even though I believe her) that Naria is lying. If she is the Hunter we can tell her to pick her best target. However, I think this is only an option of last resort...

[Cailín]

...Or if someone randomly attacks you with general abandon in a sleepy post. Honestly, by all means suspect me, I can't control your minds, but please do not randomly insult me. Kuru too.

I did not mean to insult you, dear lady, I apologise. I only intended to give strength to my words and could have easily used any other person - because generally, we have all been clueless.

About Naria being the real Hunter or not... if not, then let the real Hunter please step forth. We could double-lynch them (or have them shoot one another) and at least Lhuna will have a wolf to ask toNight. Since no one has said to be the Hunter, however, I am perfectly prepared to believe her.

Great analyses Kuru, that's very helpful. I remember Amanaduial defending me as well, at the start of the game, which made me so sure of her innocence for a while. I shall analyse you after I've had some breakfast, because no one else is likely to do so and I think it would be helpful whether you are innocent or not. Maybe we should try (with the aid of the entire village) building a case for Malkatoj, Meneltarmacil and me in the same way, so we have everyone currently under suspicion covered.

I am not in favour of lynching Naria and have her shoot someone. I would not like losing two innocents and possibly a Gifted who will have no chance to reveal himself in such a scheme.

[Lhunardawen]

Kuruharan, thanks a lot for that very detailed analysis. I guess there is solid ground for Aman to be found suspicious toDay, but there's another lycanthropy issue I'd like to raise: Meneltarmacil.

He was the subject of my dream yesterNight, and while my source isn't exactly the most reliable, a sound enough argument was given that he could be a very bold wolf.

1. It's a perfect cover, pointing out the potential Cobbler during the Day and killing her come Night. No one would think of a wolf killing an ally, more so after one of them points her out, but as I said Days ago the cobbler is completely dispensable as far as the wolf's cover is concerned.

If you will remember, he apologized to Kath after pointing out her use of the word cobbled, saying in his defense that we're all getting a bit paranoid. I don't know about you all, but I guess that increases the cover.

The next Day, after Kath's death, he shrugged and said he just pointed out a potential threat, making the issue less of a big deal than it was before.

2. He defended Nilp during the first two Days, going as far as almost voting for me and ending up voting for Gil-galad because we both voted for Nilp. Fair enough, I suppose...

But by Day 3, he made a complete 180 and decided to join the "Lynch Nilp!" campaign. Why the sudden turnaround?

3. His primary suspects, he said, were Gurthang and me...until I revealed myself. He said he's back to square one, and points vaguely at tgwbs, for no reason. Who turns out to be an ordo.

A lot of people did that, actually, and I guess it's a safe guess that at least one of our remaining lupine friends voted for him. Seriously, I don't even understand how he managed to be lynched yesterDay. Anyone care to explain that?

For the record, Zali, Farael, Menel, Kuru, Gurthang, and Alcarillo all voted for tgwbs. The list includes two of our known innocents, but I'm pretty sure at least one of these is a wolf.

Well, I don't know. I just don't know. Maybe I'm grasping at straws (again :rolleyes: ), but at least by raising some suspicions we can hopefully find them answered, and that could help us.

Kuru, by the way, I'm wondering about this: How did you come up with the idea that I might be the Seer? And how did Nilp's death prove it?

[Lhunardawen]

Innocent, definitely:
Lhuna
Alcarillo

Most likely innocent:
Naria --> I'm now prepared to believe her unless Aman suddenly comes out and claims to be the Hunter...now that would be messy.
Cailín

So innocent-seeming that I'll kill myself if they turn out to be the wolves after all:
Rune
Farael
Zali

Dodgy (read: quite suspicious):
Menel
Kuruharan --> I'm sorry, but I can't let go of my suspicion just yet...
Aman
malka

Well, that didn't help...

[Lhunardawen]

So I'm going to offer my tactical suggestion now. I think you are quite right to demand an answer from Amanaduial about her alleged Hunterness (I personally don't believe it). If she claims to be the Hunter, we have a problem of dueling Hunters. The only available option would be to kill one of them and order them, if they are in fact the Hunter, to kill the other.

It is a bit ruthless, I know, but when you have dueling Hunters it is really the only thing to do.

We also might want to consider killing Naria toDAY if things really become cloudy (i.e. Amanaduial denies being the Hunter and can plausibly explain things away). There is a chance (even though I believe her) that Naria is lying. If she is the Hunter we can tell her to pick her best target. However, I think this is only an option of last resort...I'm a little wary of this. If they both turn out to be innocent, we'll be losing two innocents in a single blow. Plus another one during the Night...which could be me.

Last resort? Hmm...I guess we'll have to wait for Aman. Unfortunately, I can't.

(Oh, where is Gurthang when you need him... :()

Okay, my guess is that Naria really is the Hunter. Otherwise, Aman could have instinctively jumped out and cried "Liar!" If Aman admits to being the Hunter, I guess we have no choice but to pursue the duel...but if she doesn't, I'm not yet too sure about lynching her.

I fear, somewhere deep inside, that this is yet another manipulative move to lynch an innocent. I'm very sorry Kuru, but I guess you can't blame me for being so suspicious. This isn't the first time something like this has happened.

Where is the double-lynching rule when you need it... ;)

I'll be back for a vote, and then I must go.

[Lhunardawen]

I'm afraid we have too many targets toDay: (Naria), Aman, Menel, and Kuru (at least for me). This makes it a lot easier for the wolves - whoever the Angband they are - to hide, wherever the Angband they are.

Oh wait...Kuru, if I die toNight, look at Amana's second to last post. That longer one.Apparently Gurthang trusted Kuru enough to leave Aman's case to him. Sounds perfectly reasonable.

Conassign to Mordor my suspicious self, but it could be another perfect cover for Kuru. Of course he'll do as Gurthang asked ere his death, and none of us will think of suspecting Kuru for that.

I'm quite sure that if Aman and Kuru are the wolves, they are prepared to fight against each other to death to leave the other alive and completely covered. But assuming so might be pushing it...well, who knows...

I guess, Master Dwarf, that you can't blame me for suspecting you too much. You're a powerful ally, but a formidable foe. And I guess we can risk our ally to prove he's not a wolf. Or at least, I can.

++KURUHARAN

Of course, the Hunter issue can't be abandoned just like that. I'll leave you loyal innocent villagers to settle it...please do it with as little bloodshed as possible, if you can. We'll deal with the other suspects later.

Ranger, it's completely your call if you will protect me toNight. I guess it's better for the Apprentice to take over as I explained above, but I fear for both of you. At least two of us three should remain alive as long as possible. Otherwise, the village will be lost.

And if ever I do die toNight, Apprentice, I trust you are prepared to take my place. Mine, or the Ranger's. If you become the Seer, be sure to ask Moderadacil about Kuru, if he hasn't been lynched yet. Or else ask about our other suspects. If you don't find a wolf, conceal yourself and ask Garin the next Night.

Village, please lynch a wolf toDay. Easier said than done, I know, but it has to be done.

Farewell...

[Amanaduial the archer]

Yes. Where is Gurthang when you need him? He would surely be able to add to Kuru's 'analytical' post (and if you could insert 'suspicious' instead of the repeated 'stupid', sir, I would be most obliged) in which he points out only really the most incriminating facts.

In light of the analysis of my Hunter position, I'm pretty much beggared no matter what I say, right? If I say I'm the Hunter, we have a duel, and bearing in mind Kuru's witch-hunt, I'll probably end up dead; yet if I say I'm not the Hunter, it may seem that I'm merely playing up to Lhuna's words: Okay, my guess is that Naria really is the Hunter. Otherwise, Aman could have instinctively jumped out and cried "Liar!" If Aman admits to being the Hunter, I guess we have no choice but to pursue the duel...but if she doesn't, I'm not yet too sure about lynching her.
So if I say I'm not, hey, I'll probably end up dead. Again. So I guess you're just going to have to believe me when I reply: No. Actually, I'm not the Hunter. I'm not convinced that Naria is, but I'm not.

Kuru...goodness, sir, an 'iron clad case'? Well, I'm glad you didn't leave it at that, I'm sure you are not that naive, but I thought you were persecuting me for seeing both sides of the case - the repeated references to my own hypocrisy could easily, it would appear, be turned around to backfire onto you. However, I have no intention of letting this turn into a personal attack on Kuru, or of over-analysing your over-analysis - granted, you do make several points which may, I admit, seem suspicious - but only when viewed with a certain sort of eyes. If anyone does wish me to explain away that entire post, then I will, certainly, but I do not really feel it to be the most important thing at the moment: to focus on myself when we are trying to find a wolf would seem rather self-obsessed, not to mention pointless - and also, no doubt, would be construed as 'suspicious', bearing in mind Cailin was earlier suspected of such behaviour being suspicious. But if you wish me to attempt to explain to you the examples in that post (I shall refrain from adding any adjectives), say the word. (I will probably have to explain a few of them later toDay anyway - the question of Naria, for example). And I shall attempt not to make my explanation as personally judgemental as yours.

I have to go now - much work to do, and English coursework for next week. But, for fear of seeming to be just turning on Kuru because he's attacking me (funny how your opinion of me turned about when I considered you suspicious), I ask you to consider that post, as well as his general posting style, and to consider at the same time the phrase "The lady doth protest too much..."

[Cailín]

Kuruharan

Day 1

Do we all still remember what happened here? Mostly, we were all clueless and Nilpaurion of course started his usual lynch-me campaign. People who proceeded to vote for Nilp were under a lot of suspicion too, which is why the second bandwagon against Gil-Galad came into being. Gil was eventually lynched and turned out to be an Ordinary Villager.

Post #52, #68, #79 and #84

Mostly random in-character babbling. Points at Kath, Gurthang. Reminds us to spread the voting.

Post #108

Approves of Gurthang’s plan, does not like the Nilp-wagon

Post #122

Suspects Garin and shows inclination to vote for him

Post #134

Votes for Garin, which is Garin’s second vote. Suspects TGWBS and Meneltarmacil for starting the Gil-wagon.

As we can see, Kuru played a very correct game this Day. He defends both known innocents and accuses a known wolf! His suspicion of TGWBS and Meneltarmacil is not at all incriminating either. So we have basically three options: 1) Kuru is a very lucky innocent. 2) Kuru is a very smart innocent. 3) Kuru is a very cunning wolf.

Day 2

Kath the Cobbler died during the Night. Many people were under suspicion and it was a rather close race between me, Lhuna and Garin. In the end, Garin was lynched and found to be a wolf indeed.

Post #144

Continues suspicions of TGWBS and Meneltarmacil

Post #149

Wonders what the significance of Menel picking up on Kath’s clue is.

Post #159

Continues suspicions of TGWBS and Menel, especially wants explanation from TGWBS. Doubts Nilp is a wolf cause of Garin’s last vote to save him.

Post #176

Basically wonders about me and those who seemed to be trying to start a Cailín bandwagon (i.e. Valier, Eluchil and Alcarillo, now all known innocents).

Post #189

Still finds Garin suspicious but now focuses on Valier. Possibly me as well. Questions Malkatoj due to her silence.

Post #206

Does not find me particularly suspicious. Worries cause Eluchil currently flying under the radar. Does not want to vote for Lhuna, either. Still wants to vote for Garin.

Post #214

Nothing of interest

Post #222

Condemns Garin to the gallows in the pre-final vote.

Again, a pretty good day for Kuru. Only the flawlessness of his record would make me suspicious. I wish to point out that I think if we assume our wolves are pretty stupid, the remaining two wolves must be Amanaduial and Malkatoj. However, though it is no doubt possible, I find it hard to believe none of the wolves voted for Garin. Also, Meneltarmacil did not vote at all, so that might be rather worrisome. But I was talking about Kuruharan, though honestly, cannot find much that would incriminate him.

Day 3

No death! Who would the wolves have attacked? I personally think it might have been Gurthang, because he was under no suspicion whatsoever and seemed to have been a valuable ally for the townspeople. People are pretty fixed on killing Nilp toDay, which happens and he is found innocent.

Anyway:

Post #235

Kuru analyses Garin’s posts. Defends himself against light accusations. Points at Gurthang, Nilp (though doubts Nilp’s a wolf) and Amanaduial for being cobblerish. Defends Lhuna. Clears Farael, Valier and Alcarillo for now.

Post #249

Continues to add fuel to the possible suspiciousness of Gurthang. Seems to be convinced Nilp should be lynched before we continue. Then wishes to look at those who voted for Lhuna.

Post #272

Wishes us to focus on killing Nilp for information, though he doubts Nilp is guilty. Shows a passionate desire to lynch TGWBS afterwards. Defends himself.

Post #277

Nothing of interest.

Post #286

Votes for Nilpaurion and is generally exasperated with the rest of us.

Well, Kuru seems to have been his cold, rational self toDay. Still very correct posting, though maybe a little defensive. I could hardly blame anyone for that, though.

Day 4

Valier is killed by the wolves, puzzling us all.

Post #297

Wonders why the wolves picked Valier. Waits for the Seer.

Post #301

Not much of interest, continues being generally annoyed.

Post #312

Concludes Valier’s death only possibly incriminates me. Pushes the Seer to step forth and speaks of a theory he will propose.

Post #324

Says he already thought Lhuna to be the Seer. Continues to defend himself. Wonders about Amanaduial and Malkatoj. Clears Rune for the moment.

Post #352

Seems a little confused. Torn between voting Amanaduial or TGWBS.

Post #355

Votes TGWBS

Post #359

Is relieved Malkatoj has voted yesterday and thus there will be no double lynching.

Too bad we never really heard Kuru’s theory this Day, but I’d say he continues to be on the safe side. Gurthang’s final post implies he was starting to trust Kuru as well. I’m inclined to believe he thought Lhuna might have been the Seer, for he has indeed defended her.

Well, disregarding his posts for toDay I am forced to conclude that if Kuruharan is a wolf, he is a terribly cunning and clever one and I’d almost say: deserves to win. I can find absolutely no evidence that Kuru might be wolvish and I can hardly believe he would have dared to play such a bold game. Plus, I wish to add in Kuru’s defence that the wolves have not been very… successful yet. They still never found a Gifted. And I seriously do believe Kuru would have found one by now or would have killed Lhuna earlier in the game.

So I guess what I am saying is that Kuruharan has got me convinced for now and I shall now focus on Amanaduial and Malkatoj, especially the former whom I distrust more every second.

I am sorry for the sheer length of this post, but Kuru posted a lot and I don’t wish to edit all my findings.

[Cailín]

Obviously, there is a lot more to conclude from the sum-up I made above. However, I am mostly concerned with stopping the bandwagon for now. Let us not lynch the dwarf before we know more. Yes, I realise he's a threat should he prove to be a wolf - possibly the most dangerous left in the village -, but that works both ways so he's also a great loss should he indeed be innocent, as I now believe he is.

So let's consider carefully. We have come so far already.

I am in favour of lynching Amanaduial right now, simply because it would clear up much confusion. Malkatoj and Meneltarmacil are less high on my to-lynch list, but I would more or less support either. I do not wish to disregard Rune, Farael and Zali so easily, though I believe them innocent. I'm rather surprised no one has yet fought this assumption, while a wolf might definitely have tried to cast suspicion on any of them.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh, look...I found a way to be back!

So, Aman, at least that makes things a little less confusing now: you're not the Hunter. Now the only thing that confuses us regarding you is your innocence or lycanthropy, whichever the case.

Honestly, I'm really not sure whether lynching you is the right thing to do. We can blame your being inexperienced for your suspicion of Naria, but then again you can be smart enough to hide behind the same explanation.

As for the issue concerning Kuruharan: Despite his claims of being incapable of playing such a risky game were he a wolf, don't you really think he can pull that off? If my memory serves me right, there was once a certain village called Loveland where a certain Lhunatic and her fellow villagers managed to fall under the control of a very, very cunning werewolf named Eomer - who ended up single-handedly destroying the entire village.

What's your point, you ask? It's just that if it happened once, it can certainly happen again. And I'm sure you all agree with me that this Eomer is not the only wolf who could play as boldly and smartly as that.

Whether you agree with me or not, Master Dwarf, you hold a certain amount of control in this village; I'm sure that I will be proved right in saying this when Aman ends up being lynched toDay. I normally don't have a problem with that, but the problem here is that we aren't even certain on which side you are playing for.

One thing that very slightly worries me about my suspicion of you is that you defended me early on during the game. Now if you had me pegged as an innocent or possibly as a gifted - perhaps even as the Seer - then you should have killed me earlier. But then again, you could just be latching onto a certain known innocent (assuming you are a wolf) to get the chance to use the words "I told you so," and then claim that you previously had the idea that she was a gifted once she declares so.

I guess for this I'll receive another exasperated tirade. But I wonder why you seem all to eager to stop any ideas of suspicion against you. You see, all of us have to undergo some questioning at one time or another. You stand out to me for the reason that whenever someone expresses doubts about you, you answer irritatedly (it seems) and dismiss the idea very easily. It's as if you don't want anyone suspecting you too thoroughly, so before they have the chance to scrutinize you, you tell them to back off - with exasperation (again, so it seems). That's how they came to me, and I find the thought rather troubling.


I do not wish to disregard Rune, Farael and Zali so easily, though I believe them innocent. I'm rather surprised no one has yet fought this assumption, while a wolf might definitely have tried to cast suspicion on any of them.Not that I'm defending them but it's possible that they really are innocent, and the wolves don't want an innocent being lynched who could lead directly to them. Perhaps they think that there's already enough confusion in this village to hide them.

But you're right, of course, in saying that we shouldn't just forget about them.

[Lhunardawen]

Now I'm afraid I really must go. Good night, villagers. Bad night, werewolves.

And if I die tomorrow Night, well... please save the village. And kill the wolves.

[Farael]

Well, I feel guilty for fueling the "Lets kill TWBS" bandwagon but my rationale was to save Naria (and probably another Innocent or even Gifted) and he had a vote already. Having said that, I might not have time to post much today so I shall somewhat follow Kuruharan's 'advise' and vote for

++Amanaduial

My reasoning is poor and my vote is all but a random vote.... yet Kuruharan makes a good dissection of her posts and I'm not sure I can come up with anything better on my own.

[Cailín]

You make me doubt myself again, Lhuna, which is not very nice. Anyway - I just would find it unfair to vote for Kuru because of good behaviour (aside from being arrogant and exasparated) while we don't even consider Rune, Zali and Farael - just because they are not cunning enough?

And though you are right and this Eomer you speak of (by the way - it is rather remarkable how often he has been mentioned in a game he does not even participate in ;) ) is indeed a great example of low cunning and exceptionally bold strategies, this does not automatically mean we're facing the same thing here. It would also be silly to keep coming up with rather far-fetched theories while the guilty ones are obviously right in front of us!

I wish I knew for sure, but I think we shall likely find our wolves among the following people: Kuruharan, Amanaduial, Meneltarmacil and Malkatoj. I'm starting to regret we're not able to pull a double lynch.

Edit: Cross-posted with Farael.

[Kuruharan]

but the problem here is that we aren't even certain on which side you are playing for.

Truly this statement is the epitome of balance and equity since you don’t know which side anybody else is playing for either, except for Alcarillo. As for why I thought you were the Seer, you said things that made me think so. I don’t have time to go back and find them now. I became confused because Nilp suddenly changed his behavior and started acting rational. It was possible he was the Seer and was trying to discreetly let us know something important. I thought it had to be one of the two of you. I was right. Unfortunately, I was convinced that Nilp was pretending to be the Seer while being a wolf. However, if he had proven to be the Seer I would have been convinced you were a wolf. That was my theory that DAY, and you can probably appreciate why I didn’t want to say too much about it at the time. Alas, he was neither the Seer or a werewolf…he was just strange.

all to eager to stop any ideas of suspicion against you.

Because they are a waste of time and could be rather unfortunate for the village.

Anyway, I hope you will excuse my “defending” myself, since I already promised I wouldn’t. But I thought it was fair to answer your question about why I decided you were the Seer.

Anyway,

Amanaduial

In light of the analysis of my Hunter position, I'm pretty much beggared no matter what I say, right? If I say I'm the Hunter, we have a duel, and bearing in mind Kuru's witch-hunt, I'll probably end up dead; yet if I say I'm not the Hunter, it may seem that I'm merely playing up to Lhuna's words:

-and-

So if I say I'm not, hey, I'll probably end up dead. Again. So I guess you're just going to have to believe me when I reply: No. Actually, I'm not the Hunter. I'm not convinced that Naria is, but I'm not.

If you are innocent why would you even begin to beat around the bush here? Cailín’s behavior seems much more likely to be an innocent here because she instantly denied being the Hunter and did not do a song and dance routine like this about it.

I'm starting to regret we're not able to pull a double lynch.

Yes, at the moment I think that would solve a lot of problems.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I see that Luhna has allready made an exelent case against Menel, what I don't understand is that Luhna can keep briniging this up and you just collective chooses to ignore it.

Now lets look at Menel's voting history.

Meneltarmacil – Gil-Galad, No Vote, Nilp, TGWBS

He seems to vote for what is popular, exept for when we are about to kill off a wolf!

Then there were the whole cobbler thing. To claim that Menel could not be a wolf because of this is rubbish. Sure Menel was the one that pointet it out, but this means that all became aware of it. We can conclude that the wolves decidet to kill the person wich had the greatest chances of being the cobbler. Now this could just be to throw us off, but it would make more sence if it was to create a cover for Menel.

A thing that I have noticed about Menel is that he has been acting different than he normaly does. He has not been as helpfull as I usually find him being and then there was the whole howling thing. I have not could decide if he was endeed a wolf or a giftet trying to stay alive for as long as posibel. I now belive he is a Wolf.

Now on to Malkatoj.

malkatoj – Nilp, Lhuna, TGWBS, No Vote

Has been absent for long periods and as we can see never votet for a wolf. All around a very sneeky person. What reson do we have to keep her in the village?

I still think her vote for Nilp is suspisios. . .

I will vote for either of these, I dont really care who.

[Naria]

I'm going to be quick here for I have app't all aft. I agree with most of the analyses done on AmanB]. I would like to thank her, however for saying that she isn't the Hunter- saving us all a big headache(regarding a senseless duel between her and I). I have suspicions about her and [B]Malka which have pretty much been analysed enough for me. But since I don't really have too much to go on in regards to Malka-her far and few between posts-and I'm running out of time to do this post. I am on the fence with both of them but more inclined to go with Aman, since I'm not convinced that she believes in my innocence(from yesterday's vote & post and today's posts)and would gladly watch me hang. I might be wrong but her sudden behaviour towards me has me concerned, as it should. Don't know if any of this made sense to any of you, It does to me and I will explain later if I'm still alive when I return. But I need to make my vote know. If I get lynched today, Apprentice please do your best to save the village.

++Amanaduial

[Naria]

Ooops, sorry 'bout the bolding. :eek:

[Amanaduial the archer]

NB: this post was formulated before Naria made her post - cello lesson...

I am actually mildly astonished by the reasoning in the past Day: I mean, the sheer irrationality of some of the 'arguments'...

I'm sure that I will be proved right in saying this when Aman ends up being lynched toDay. Good lord, woman, I'm sure I don't like the sound of that 'when'! Kuru still has more votes than me - but then, maybe that's why he's getting quite so defensive (for example in the way that he attacks anyone who comments on him at all - for example, #312 when he comments on someone being 'ever more suspicious' when they find him suspicious. Surely this isn't quite right). But as I said previously, I agree with you on this point, Lhuna: whether wolf or not, Kuru is definitely attempting to pull the strings. He's proved that he's smart enough to stay alive so far, but he makes me uneasy, and not simply because of the personal tirades that he keeps launching at me which seem actually slightly reminiscent of Garin's behaviour earlier in the game (the behaviour that got him lynched, incidentally), but also because of his slightly peculiar wording in places. Yes, I accuse you of over analysing me, Kuru, but I'm afraid I must take a moment to look at Kuru's behaviour... He has probably, so far, been the most commanding character in the game. Sure, Gurthang was influential - but he didn't go as far as to start suggesting, and I quote, 'orders' for the other game characters. And the 'I told you so' nature once he's proved right - very keen to make sure that other villagers know that, e.g. he backed Lhuna:

I thought so. And if you don’t believe me, please go back and reread how I always tried to defend you but not be too obvious about it It is just like a wolf's cover: Kuru protected Lhuna and was then trying to use it to his full advantage. If he were a wolf, he'd know she was an innocent - this total conviction into someone's innocence does seem to come from a certain definite knowledge, and the wolves (and Seer after a dream) are the only ones who could have that definite knowledge on anyone in the village. Where other people seem at least moderately uncertain about the other villagers, Kuru makes definitive statements about people that seem to come from a certain knowledge about them. This worries me rather.

He also seems to have a very developed gameplan - everything is set out, if he has a theory, he may say that he will 'wait' before revealing it, he made strong suggestions as to exactly who the Seer should dream of and the Ranger should protect, strongly urging the villagers to act one way or the other... It's all so manipulative. And it does sound somewhat like the words of a desperate man, unsubtle as this would be in the game of werewolf.

Ah, Rune resurfaces! However, there are still two seriously unknown quantities: Azaelia and Malkatoj. Farael too, actually: his most recent post puzzled me in that it made no attempt at reasoning behind his vote (although at least he accepted this), and instead simply followed Kuruharan's 'advice'. Hmm. Firstly, I think this nicely highlights the point Lhuna made (and which I made earlier in this post) about his manipulation: apparently, it's working. Also, why does Farael not make an attempt at reasoning? Following in the highest degree, and it worries me: makes these two seem like allies. I don't, however, think I've really seen enough of Farael's posts: generally, they're rather short, and I haven't currently time to go back over the whole thread. But I only have a slight twitching of unease against him: it isn't enough, certainly, to form a vote.

Azaelia and Malkatoj....Azaelia, I have absolutely no idea about. Totally unknown. Malkatoj...hmm, like, apparently, several others on this thread, my suspicion of her is really to do with her absense, although I concede that this is really hardly fair. Maybe she's hiding in order to avoid incriminating her - Malka is new to werewolf I believe, like myself. But I don't really think this is that likely - I mean, yeah, on the one hand, 'prevention is better than cure', but on the other hand, some sort of defence would surely be better - I'm not sure I can make a full judgement on her either from her posts, which is why I am slightly surprised at the amount of suspicion surrounding her, but I will be keeping an eye on her. If I survive the Day :rolleyes:

Oh, and as a final remark, I should just like to comment on Naria:

Then toDAY Amanaduial says she thinks Naria is at least “innocent” (without explaining herself), which in effect means she now thinks Naria is the Hunter. This is downright incriminating given her behavior yesterDAY.

(I’m afraid Naria doesn’t quite count as “confirmed” even though I’m perfectly prepared to believe her).
Yes. Aware of that. Don't mean to come off curt, there, but I would have thought that it was fairly obvious from yesterday that I held reservations about Naria - with time, bearing in mind no-one has come forward and people seem quite prepared to believe her today, I'm coming to accept that suspicion around her is certainly dying down at a very rapid rate, although I'm not entirely convinced - I did not say that I thought she was innocent for sure. But when I said...

Naria isn't actually proven to be innocent: we only have her word on her being a Hunter. I mean, yeah, very likely, but not completely without doubt.

...I was actually contradicting Cailin's post prior to that in which she stated Naria to be the Hunter and a known innocent. My doing it in these words was, probably mostly, to appear less adversarial - I don't believe in hacking people off at the knees every time they make a statement that I don't agree with, although apparently some villagers do.

And as to when you commented on, I quote, "I think you are quite right to demand an answer from Amanaduial about her alleged Hunterness (I personally don't believe it)" - well, actually I never alleged it. I didn't contradict it because when Gurthang first brought up the point, I didn't see the point, it didn't seem like a reasonable concern, more a spur-of-the-moment and rather dramatic post - and then Lhuna brought it up again and it was followed up - and answered as soon as I could that I was not. I never said I was the Hunter, I never knowingly even hinted that I was any such thing - so please don't try to turn it against me, or even use it to promote my death. You wish we had double lynchings? I bet you do: take two innocent villagers out in one fell swoop and even up the odds a bit for you and your ally, whoever he or she is.

If you are innocent why would you even begin to beat around the bush here? Cailín’s behavior seems much more likely to be an innocent here because she instantly denied being the Hunter and did not do a song and dance routine like this about it.
Call it a disclaimer! I was pointing out what would no doubt be pointed out after I said I wasn't the Hunter, very likely by you. Frankly, Kuru, your world-weary exasperation is beginning to wear a bit thin on my patience and the thread of my suspicion is thickening with it: it just seems to be part of a cover.

So for now, despite my worries on Malka (and my uncertainty on other players who I have no time to comment on in any detail right now), today's vote is for:

++Kuruharan

My, that was disjointed...

[malkatoj]

Those Who Have Never Voted for a Wolf
Meneltarmacil, Cailín, Lhunardawen, Amanaduial, Naria, malkatoj

Rune, Rune, Rune. Not voting for a wolf makes me one? If that's the case, we've got ourselves 6 werewolves here and we already know that one's dead. If my absences add to it, then I guess I've learned not to play during finals week.

All around a very sneeky person. What reson do we have to keep her in the village?

I still think her vote for Nilp is suspisios. . .

Sneaky? Okay, this is perhaps an acceptable excuse on Day 1 when we have no evidence, but you really shouldn't be going on against someone this late in the day because you think they're 'sneaky.' What reason do you have to keep me? I think this is entirely the wrong question to be asking here. We don't want to go killing off people because we have no reason to keep them, we want to kill people off because we have sufficient reason to believe they're wolves. Your reasons are not sufficient. My vote for Nilp, suspicious? Why, pray tell? If you haven't noticed, this is my first time playing in one of the 'big-kid' games (played a Junior game once) and I had no way of knowing that he has that crazy tendency to act suicidal. I wasn't the only one voting for him, either, why are the others not suspicious?


Okay, on to my own thoughts. At this point, we have reason to suspect just about everyone (well, okay, not the known innocents, but mostly everyone else) and if we look hard enough, we'll find suspicion everywhere. Paranoia creates itself and we're all falling into the trap. However, the cases against both Meneltarmacil (as posted by our wonderful seer, Lhuna) and Amanaduial (as posted by Kuruharan and others) are very strong and one of them will likely get my vote unless someone does something that screams 'I'm a wolf!' Before I cast my vote, however, I'd like to see what some others have to say for themselves. I shall return fairly shortly.

[Meneltarmacil]

My, my, my, aren't we suspicious of people? *heh heh*

I assure you, I am no wolf. I don't think I would have said that Lhunardawen and Gurthang were my primary suspects if I were really trying to cover my tracks. (Yes, I know, that's just what a wolf would say to keep himself alive).

However, I had not yet expressed any suspicion of Gurthang at that point. It really does not make any sense for a wolf to come out and say that he suspected a known innocent if he had not said anything about that innocent before.

Of course, for all you know, all of my statements could be elaborate bluffs coming from a clever wolf. If you want to lynch me, it won't be that bad for the village, as I am an Ordinary Villager and in no way Gifted.

Aman did look a little suspicious in some of her posts earlier, and I find myself in agreement with the arguments against her. I will review her posts myself before making up my mind, though.

[Farael]

See Amanduial, I know being under suspicion from someone as vocal as Kuruharan can be stressing and I will be the first to say, I've made a few bad choices. Namely, voting for TGWBS and Nilp, although I stick by my choice both times. At the time I thought it was the best vote I could take and I alone did not seal their "destiny" so I can see that more people agreed with me (and more than the two werewolves)

Now, Why am I saying this? I believe I wrote on my post that I was on a hurry and did not know if I'd be able to post again before the deadline... and let's face it, Kuruharan did make a good case against you. I had nothing better to go on with, it was six ten AM and I had fifteen minutes to get ready and take the bus... sorry if I could not write a dissertation over my post. Still, as my vote was I believe the first against you, it would not make a difference if not many people think you innocent.

I've also grown a little weary of Kuruharan's style but for the time being he has managed to make better cases against other people than what others have been able to make against him. As simple as that.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Not voting for a wolf makes me one

Of cours not, but you cannot claim that it makes one seem more innocent either.

Sneaky? Okay, this is perhaps an acceptable excuse on Day 1 when we have no evidence, but you really shouldn't be going on against someone this late in the day because you think they're 'sneaky.

Well we must agree to disagree on this point. I see it as a great reason, if not wolves can just chose to be more or less abcent and not get votet for.

My vote for Nilp, suspicious? Why, pray tell? If you haven't noticed, this is my first time playing in one of the 'big-kid' games (played a Junior game once) and I had no way of knowing that he has that crazy tendency to act suicidal. I wasn't the only one voting for him, either, why are the others not suspicious?

I know you only played in a wwj before, I was there remember!? Your vote was suspicous because it was you who made it a bandwaggon.

At last let me say that I am glad to se a response from you, this will give me (and others) something to judge you by.

Why do you think I votet for Gil ? It was because I thought it was wrong to vote Nilp, the only reason I votet for him and not you at that point was him being the more expirienced player.

You may say that my case against you is weak, but the matter of fact is that we really now nothing about you and therefor we run a great risk by having you in the village.

[Kuruharan]

seem actually slightly reminiscent of Garin's behaviour earlier in the game

The same Garin you defended fang and claw? Oh yes, I remember him.

he made strong suggestions as to exactly who the Seer should dream of and the Ranger should protect, strongly urging the villagers to act one way or the other...

Tsk...such falsehood. Go back over my posts. I never made the slightest suggestion about who the Seer should dream about or who the Ranger should protect. (I did offer a possibility today of a circumstance where I thought the Hunter might want to make a particular suggestion).

Kuru makes definitive statements about people that seem to come from a certain knowledge about them.

When one reviews the evidence, it is hard to avoid coming to conclusions about certain people.

I was actually contradicting Cailin's post prior to that in which she stated Naria to be the Hunter and a known innocent.

I wasn't denying that. However, at the same time you were contradicting yourself.

I didn't see the point

What do you mean you didn't see the point? If you are innocent what could possibly be gained by your hiding something like that?

[Cailín]

Such silence today! I know I am to blame as well, but I just got home.

I see suspicions are rising and I must admit, I am clueless as to what to do next. Lynching a wolf today seems crucial because of Lhuna's position and I wish we could allow her one good final dream. I'm also noticing something else.

Though Meneltarmacil, Malkatoj and others are suspicious as well, especially Menel, I would say that we have two large cases here against Kuruharan and Amanaduial. I am inclined to believe Kuru over Amanaduial, but I might be seriously manipulated or something. I'm not really the sharpest this game anyway. However, I detect something which is more crucial than anything else: there is no way this village is going to accept Kuruharan as an innocent no matter what happens and though I wish to believe Amanaduial is a wolf, which will allow Lhuna to dream of Kuru tonight, I can in no way be sure. I tend to forget Amanaduial is a newbie to this game, because of the way she posts, but she is and therefore more likely to make mistakes.

++KURUHARAN

You have played a very clean game and whatever you turn out to be, Sir, you are undoubtedly one of the most brilliant players I ever had the honour to argue with.

So, now here's to hoping I am wrong.

[malkatoj]

In an attempt to not fail high school, I'm going to have to vote now so as to get myself off the computer.

Menel, your defense is not as strong as the evidence against you. I apologize if I'm wrong, but you definitely act like a wolf. Your defenses are too much based on how you are, and I, not knowing you, can't be sure that you're telling the truth. Therefore,

++MENELTARMACIL

[Kuruharan]

I don't think I'm going to be able to save myself toDAY and I've got to leave my conncetion.

I cast my protest vote for ++ Amanaduial.

After you have the inevitable nasty shock you are about to get, (and I assume after you get Amanaduial) pay attention to what Rune is saying about Meneltarmacil and malkatoj...although obviously I don't think both are guilty.

Have an eye for Azaelia too.

It's been fun. :p

[Meneltarmacil]

No time to read, no time to review, must vote now.

++Amanduial the Archer

Sorry if I'm wrong.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Meneltarmacil - 1
Kuruharan - 4
Amanaduial - 4

Well, currently you're in line to die having reached 4 votes first, but hey, I'm not sure that won't change - 2 villagers left to vote could make alot of difference. Not sure how you and I came to be directly competing, Kuru - and even if you are a wolf, there's at least one other wolf somewhere in this village who is probably watching the proceedings and cackling gleefully...

[Formendacil]

Despite the revelation of a seer in their midst, contact with the dead did not clarify things for the village much during the fifth day following Formendacil’s death.

“The dead one couldn’t deceive had it wanted to,” explained Lhuna, “but being dead didn’t give it any more insight into the truth of the matter. All that I got out of it was a list of reasons why we ought to take a closer look at Meneltarmacil.”

“I’m innocent,” said Meneltarmacil promptly.

“Well, you would say that, whatever you were,” said Amanaduial dryly.

“Are you saying that you think otherwise?” prodded Kuruharan.

“I’m saying that I agree with the seer,” said Amanaduial.

“Hold on!” said Rune. “That was the dead guy’s advice, not Lhuna’s!”

“Actually, it wouldn’t hurt if we did take a close look at his record- and everyone else’s,” said Alcarillo, a bit over-confident with Lhuna’s declaration of his innocence. Farael looked at him, irritated.

“Are you saying that I’m guilty as well?”

“No reason you couldn’t be,” said Alcarillo. “YOU haven’t been cleared of charges.”

“If I didn’t trust Formendacil’s after-death word…” muttered Farael.

“What?” said Malkatoj, “you’d turn big and hairy and kill us all?”

“That was not called for!” said Farael.

“Over defensive, are we?” said Cailín.

“No, that would be Kuruharan,” said Amanaduial.

“Enough of this,” said Naria, her reputation as a Huntress now taken for granted. “Who are we killing?”

“That’s just a bit too blood-thirsty for my tastes,” said Rune.

“She’s right, though,” said Cailín, “we have to kill somebody.”

“Does anyone other than me ever get the idea that summarily killing somebody every day, when they may or may not be a Werewolf is not exactly morally justified?” said Meneltarmacil. “That maybe we’d be better off in the One’s eyes if we DIDN’T?”

“Why, are you a Werewolf?” asked Farael.

And so the day went on…

The end of the day came, and it was a tied vote between Kuruharan and Amanaduial. The village looked to Alcarillo and Lhunardawen, their proven villagers, to make the choice between.

“After all,” said Farael, “it wouldn’t be ‘morally justifiable’ to kill two…”

Alcarillo and Lhuna looked at each other.

“Erm… How about we flip a coin?” said Alcarillo. For lack of a better idea, Lhuna agreed.

“All right, Heads: we kill Amanaduial, Tails: we kill Kuruharan.”

Alcarillo tossed a silver penny into the air. The village stepped back, and the coin landed on the ground. Lhunardawen bent over it.

“Tails,” she said.

“Grab his axe!” said Meneltarmacil, lunging for it.

“Block his escape!” cried Amanaduial.

“Idiots!” said Kuruharan. “You’re all idiots! I’m as innocent as Alcarillo!”

“Remember what he said about dying not being a part of his plans,” said Naria. “Don’t let him escape!”

“Of course this wasn’t a part of my plans!” said Kuruharan. “But I’m smart enough to see that escape isn’t possible.”

“Still so over defensive,” said Amanaduial, shaking her head.

They brought him up to the hanging tree, put the noose over his neck, and gave him one last chance to speak to them.

“Last words?” said Kuruharan. “I’ve got none. I’m going to Mahal, and that’s it. The rest of you idiots can go to Sauron, or whatever evil spirit will have you.”

And so died Kuruharan, son of Khoreth, son of Kili, of the Line of Durin. His life, they said later, was CURSED, but no evil came of his actions to shame him before his fathers.

DAY 5 is over, NIGHT 6 has begun.

Werewolves, Ranger, Seer, I need your PMs.

Villagers, remain silent.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

The Ranger confidently stood guard over the village that was his care, waiting for the morning sun to arise. It had been a quiet night, thus far, and he was confidently expecting it to remain that way.

Such was not to be the case, for the Ranger himself was the target of the Wolves’ murderous intentions that night.

It was a silent attack, cunningly planned. After being driven off by him three nights before, they were wary of his skills. But it was two on one, and the Wolves had the advantage.

There was the faintest of sounds behind him, and the Ranger turned immediately, his hardened senses immediately alert.

And he turned to see one of the mighty werewolves waiting; its eyes glowing in the dark.

The Ranger’s sword flashed in the moonlight as he strode towards the Werewolf. But the noise that he and his prey were making completely masking the sounds of the other Werewolf approaching him from behind. Even as he brought his sword to bear against the one, the other leapt at him, hitting him hard in the back, and biting at his neck.

It was soon over. The Ranger was dead, the sun was rising, and the Werewolves had slipped away, leaving only a piece of parchment behind.

When the village gathered the next morning, they discovered the body of Alcarillo, lying facedown in the village square, a long sword in his hands, bite marks and claw marks marring his body.

Only then did they realize the truth. The greedy moneylender in their midst had been a selfless Ranger of Gondor- and he had just died protecting one of their own.

Getting arrogant, Men of the West? the Werewolves had written.

You shouldn’t be. We’ve just killed the only man in your village who’s successfully stood against us. Your discussions of late have been FAR off course. You’ll never catch us.

The Werewolves in Your Midst

Lhunardawen crumpled the parchment angrily. Her only sure ally had been killed.



Night 6 is over, Day 6 is begun.

You may begin posting.

Those alive:

Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town
Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia - Town Drunk
Farael - Worm Hunter
Rune – Misplaced Hobbit Peace Activist
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person
Amanaduial - Northman Travel Guide
Naria - Store Proprietor
Malkatoj – Philosophy Professor

Those dead:

Formendacil - Moderator - Killed by Werewolves, Night 1
Gil-Galad - Shrubber - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 1
Kath - Gongfarmer - Cobbler - Killed by Werewolves, Night 2
Garin - Horse Loaner - Werewolf - Killed by Vilager, Day 2
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper - Ordo - Killed "Accidentally" by Werewolf, Day 2
NIGHT 3 - NO DEATH
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 3
Valier - Brewmaster - Ordo - Killed by Werewolves, Night 4
TGWBS - Hat Maker - Ordo - Shot by the Village, Day 4
Gurthang - Rancher - Ordo- Killed by Werewolves, Night 5
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant - Cursed (Ordo) - Lynched by Village, Day 5
Alcarillo - Moneylender - Ranger - Killed by Werewolves, Night 6

[Formendacil]

Attention villagers,

I have already hinted at the fact that toDAY might have some unusual hours, due to the burp in my schedule that manifested itself earlier this week.

Today, Day 6 of the game, will therefore run for an extra 6.5 hours, coming to a halt at 9:30 pm, my time.

This is: 11:30 pm EST,
or 4:30 am GMT.

Now, this will admittedly make things a bit different. I wish I could say that my whole purpose of the shakeup was to change the voting patterns a little, but that's not the case. Those of you in North America will undoubtedly find the change beneficial, those of you in Europe not so much.

Night 7 will take place from the end of Day 6 until the normal starting time of Day 7, and will therefore be 6.5 hours shorter than a normal night.

Sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope this explanation is clear.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Cailín]

Oh no.

We lost our Ranger… and got a new one. And though I am happy Lhuna is alive, this means we shall have no reliable Seer dreams anymore if we don’t manage to catch a wolf. And it is getting more perilous.

I thought Kuruharan was innocent and should probably have sticked with my impulse. However, I am grateful we never trusted him, for otherwise the wolves would surely have gone after him and instead of some nice dwarven meat would have found a powerful ally.

We have nine people left, of which we know two definite innocents. The new Ranger can protect Lhuna again, and will have to do so. We need to keep her alive as long as possible. Naria will thus probably die toNight and there’s no way we can stop this. However, she will be able to take someone down with her. We have to carefully consider who that is going to be. It may absolutely not be the new Ranger! I’d sooner offer myself as a shoot-ee. But I personally prefer it to be one of the following: Meneltarmacil, Amanaduial or Malkatoj.

Lhuna – can you tell us anything?

So, we basically have two wolves versus seven innocents. For at least two more nights, assuming the wolves do not find the new Ranger, we have two known innocents. This, however, is not enough. We have to find ourselves a wolf and rather toDay than tomorrow.

The people left:

Meneltarmacil – Definitely on our to-lynch list, I suppose. Despite the arguments he offers in his defence, we cannot trust him. The case Lhuna made against him yesterday is not flawless, but interesting enough.
Cailin – Cannot say anything about me other than the things I’ve said before.
Azaelia – I have doubts concerning her. Yet I still believe her to be innocent.
Farael – I more or less trust Farael, though later votes are somewhat strange.
Rune – Also one I consider innocent.
Lhunardawen – Beloved Seer.
Amanaduial – I shall say it again: Amanaduial may be innocent, but I don’t trust her. Absolutely not.
Naria – Much Questioned Hunter. Hunter, though, no doubt.
Malkatoj – Silent and sneaky, none contributive. A dangerous possible wolf.

What will analysis yet do for us? I don’t know. Tomorrow, however, I have the entire day off and therefore will no doubt provide ample far fetched theories to keep us confused and puzzled for a few more days. And hopefully, we will finally spot the wolves hiding among us.

Good Night, dears!

((Ai, Form, not liking the new times here. :( Know it cannot be helped, though))

[Amanaduial the archer]

Yeah, the times could be a small problem for me too, but not much I guess: it just means a shortened Night which, as it's uneventful, isn't a problem, and that I won't be present probably for most of that extra 6 and a half hours... Hope your schedule sorts itself out for the better, O Mighty Moderacil.

Ouchie...looks like our advantage when the wolves took out their own Cursed one two nights ago has somewhat been weighed out in that we've just lost our most important asset: the Ranger. Seems that revealing his innocence may have been just a little too revealing, Lhuna, kinda made him an obvious target for the wolves, whoever they are on the game: saved him from the villagers but opened him riiight up to the wolves, rather a double edged sword if that's the correct phrase - still, at least we have an apprentice to replace him. Now for Eru's sake, keep your nose clean and don't give yourself away as well! :)

Cailin, I agree with your logic in basis, but am not sure that the Seer would actually be the best one to protect tonight - surely the Ranger is a more important asset? But also more risky: we know for sure that Lhuna is Seer, whilst anyone of the rest of us could now be a wolf (bar, we still assume for the basis of clinging onto what we have, Naria), so at least Lhuna would be a sure one to protect. And with so few people left, she must only have a few people left to ask about, which is another plus when there are so few people remaining in the game. Tough dilemma for the new Ranger there... Lhuna, again I'm with Cailin: any news?

Hmm. Now onto the rest of the village... Unfortunately, I am getting more and more lost by the minute: my main suspects keep being proved innocent, thus making me feel a bit silly and also rather useless. Sorry... Certainly compiling a case for today may take a little longer: I want to get one right toDay, there's no time for any more mistakes...

Here is a very preliminary rundown on my feelings

Cailin: I know I questioned this as being a reasonable way of thinking earlier, but I have actually got a feeling about Cailin that she's probably innocent. I don't know: maybe it's because she is so very constant - her prescence is somehow somewhat reasurring. Watch that backfire if she turns out to be a wolf. But as her feelings on me have reversed themselves, mine are rather doing the same: I can't help getting actually less suspicious of her. But like I say, that is only a feeling - lordy knows, she could still be a wolf :rolleyes:

Lhuna: Well, she ain't even a consideration, for obvious reasons. 'Beloved seer' indeed.

Meneltarmacil: hmm. General consensus seems to be that this is a guilty party, and indeed, I am entirely uncertain about Meneltarmacil, the most recent considerations in my mind being those arguments rather convincingly presented by Lhuna, and the fact that, actually, Menel has hardly defended himself. At all. And he seems even more determined (even than me! ;)) to play devil's advocate to himself, which is, I agree, a little puzzling. Worried about this one: if I had a 'to lynch' list, as Cailin puts it there, he'd be pretty darn high up.

Amanaduial: Not sure I can give an entirely objective view on this one...

Naria: Hunter, allegedly, and I'm afraid I'm just having to come to accept this one, although it is not yet fact in my mind. But I can't really find anything solid against her, leastways not enough to make a vote on.

Malkatoj: her behaviour could certainly be considered erratic, but I didn't consider it quite strange enough to review particularly until general suspicion seemed to grow - I must say, I was not immediately struck by her oddness myself. Problem: her general absence makes it difficult to determine whether her behaviour is in fact a result of wolfishness or simply harriedness over a lack of time. However, I will have to maybe do myself a wee bit of studying as to the Nature of Malka over the next Day, see whether I can make up my mind either way.

Farael: I don't think I'm currently awake enough to post anything coherent concerning my views on him. Schleeeeepy... Like Malka, I will need to some some review-age tomorrow. Ditto to Rune really, although the latter is far less likely to be a wolf, I need to have a look - see if I can dredge something up from the posts...

Azaelia: a totally unknown quantity. Absolutely no idea about this one.

And now I must sleeeeeep. Good wolf-catching to you all then, until I return later.

[Meneltarmacil]

I am not guilty of wolvishness. I'm serious, I'm not a wolf.

Amanduial the archer on the other hand, bears watching, mostly due to her frantic defense of Garin.

I'll post later when I've completed some work I have to get done.

[Farael]

I am afraid I cannot say for sure that I will be available today (game day) as I'm fairly tired now and I have a busy day tomorrow which might not end until late in the evening, so keep that in mind if I do not respond to anyone's criticism.... now on to the suspecting

We know now that Kuruharan was the cursed, and he made a big case against Amanduial... now, I guess someone (probably Amanduial herself) will say that we cannot trust him, as he was the cursed, yet what would the cursed's goal be?

From the beginning Kuruharan was very vocal and loud, so I would say he was trying to get noticed by the wolves.... and what would make him liable to be devoured by night? Pointing his cursed finger at a real wolf. So I say, Kuruharan might have been on to something when he argued against Amanduial and I think we should get rid of her tonight.

Furthermore, she STILL does not trust Naria, who by the time I believe everyone has accepted her to be the Hunter (everyone but Amanduial that is) and I still find her not-complete denial of being the Hunter a little fishy.

She is still the top suspect in my list and even if at the moment I'm far too tired to make a good review of her posts, I'd like to remind you all to keep an eye on her. With Kuruharan gone she might be the most vocal today.

(Note: Please Amanduial forgive me if I said something that sounded even remotely offensive... not meant at all, I'm just expressing my suspicions)

[Farael]

This is really scary.... not only I read Amanduial's answer on the game thread but also Moderacil's description and for some reason I still thought that the Cursed knew he was cursed... disregard my first comment about him wanting to be caught, but even more so, he probably thought Amanduial was a wolf anyway. So I guess my point remains.

Sorry if my previous post got confusing, I guess I'm too tired

[malkatoj]

Farael, I'm under the impression (correct me if I'm wrong) that the Cursed does not know that he's cursed unless the wolves kill him. Sorry to shoot down your idea, and sorry again if I'm wrong.

Mostly dead right now and still have an essay to write, but I'll have some coherent thoughts put together by voting time.

[Lhunardawen]

I'm sure the weariness you all feel is not just the result of the dreaded sickness called RL (something similar to timezones, I suppose), but also of the peril we continue to face after almost a week. I would have made you all a special lembas potion pizza to keep you going until just a few more Days but alas! I myself am very tired already. I'm almost hoping that I was the one killed instead of Alcarillo, just so I could finally have my rest for all eternity. Speaking of our dear Ranger, I had a feeling I shouldn't reveal his innocence for fear of the werewolves going after him, but I felt that I have no choice. Thank Eru for the Apprentice, and I would ask them to stay as hidden as possible without attracting suspicion from the rest of us. If we are about to lynch you, I guess we have no choice but to allow you to speak up.

Now, we must forget all weariness for the meantime. We have work to do.

Despite the obvious relief we feel that we lynched Kuruharan before the werewolves got to him, we shouldn't forget that he's still an innocent as far as we're all concerned. With that said I'm sure at least one of the wolves voted for him. Perhaps the other one voted for Aman, but I shall speak of that in a minute.

I now realized that it was a good thing I haven't dreamt of Kuru after all, or else the werewolves would have gotten to him as soon as I revealed his innocence. And all throughout the game I've been wondering why the werewolves never attacked him in the first place. They knew he was innocent, and so they should have killed him right away knowing he would make a formidable foe. I think that uncovering possible motives for not killing him on a Night will take us a step closer to finding out the wolves. Any ideas?

The voting went this way yesterDay:
Zali - Kuru
Lhuna - Kuru
Farael - Aman
Naria - Aman
Aman - Kuru
Cailin - Kuru
malka - Menel
Kuru - Aman
Menel - Aman
Rune and Alcarillo - no vote

If Aman really is a wolf, I guess Menel's vote incriminates himself. With Kuru already having four votes cast against him, he was the sure lynchee for the Day, and Menel could have just voted for Aman without really endangering her. However, there were at least fifteen minutes left when Menel voted, so it was still possible for Aman to be lynched.

Now consider that Rune did not vote yesterDay. We could believe his RL excuse, or maybe we could not. But just one thing I have to ask you, Rune, is this: People I belive innocent:

Luhna and only Luhna.While it felt good to me at that time to know that someone completely believes in my innocence, now I find myself wary. How were you able to ascertain my innocence when I was pretty much being suspected by everybody?

At this point I am inclined to think Cailin, Farael, Naria, and Zali innocent. Rune has some questions to answer, but minus that I still think he's innocent. malka is completely unknown and must be assumed suspicious until proven innocent. Those on our urgent lynch list are Menel and Aman, and I'm more prepared to lynch Menel than Aman toDay.

[Lhunardawen]

Look at this...our wolves have committed a stupidity.

If they have killed Naria the Hunter last Night, Hunter would have been our Apprentice's role now. And with me and Alcarillo proven innocents, they would have killed the two of us one after the other, with no one but the Hunter left as a gifted.

I was completely convinced that our wolves are brilliant or at least very good in hiding, but now I see that they're not really very bright at all. :p

But look again...they could have been worried that Naria's huntee would be one of them, and so decided not to kill her. And who is Naria's most-likely huntee last Night? Aman. After all, she voted for her.

Then again, this could be a way for them to set Aman up.

Just something for you guys to think about.

[Lhunardawen]

This will be my last post before the day ends where I am, unless some miracle occurs.

I know it will surprise all of you - except the wolves , if ever, of course - but I have reason to believe that Aman is innocent. At least this is the verdict that one of the most reliable (though dead) villagers reached when I asked him about her (and no, it's not Kuru).

First, her votes are consistent - albeit consistently wrong: Kuru, Lhuna, Lhuna, Naria, Kuru. We'd expect a more erratic voting pattern for a wolf which usually includes one fellow wolf, whereas all of Aman's votes so far are directed at innocents (I'm no longer doubting Naria).

And second, no one had voted for her prior to yesterDay. Again, we'd expect wolf-on-wolf voting for cover, at least on the first Days.

Of course after she had come under heavy fire the past Day I don't expect you to release your suspicions of her just yet. But right now, I think it's better for us to lynch Menel instead of her...unless something interesting that sounds like "I'm a wolf!" comes up in my absence. And whatever happens, I expect you loyal villagers to do what you know must be done for the good of the village. Anyone who does otherwise shall face my terrible wrath.

I shall be back a few hours ere the Day ends (which is practically tomorrow before noon, GMT+8) to see what transpires and to cast my vote. Innocents, take care of the village in my absence.

[Cailín]

Cailin, I agree with your logic in basis, but am not sure that the Seer would actually be the best one to protect tonight - surely the Ranger is a more important asset?

Hmm no, Aman. First, a Ranger cannot protect himself... and second, what good is a Ranger when he does no other job than saving himself Night after Night? Besides, we need Lhuna around if we manage to kill a wolf and have again a completely reliable source, so there is no other possible scenario for toNight. Even though you may not have accepted Naria as the Hunter yet, the rest of us have, which makes her too dangerous for the wolves to stay alive.

So toDay we're deciding on both a lynchee and a huntee. Of course, Naria has the final say in the huntee, but I fear she might decide to actually shoot the Apprentice / Ranger, so it would be a good thing for her to make her huntee public. If the wolves then do not kill her toNight, that would also suggest she has picked the right target.

For now I argee with Lhuna and say we kill Menel toDay and hunt Aman during the Night (sorry, guys). But I wish to analyse all our quiet ones first so I may once more remember why we do not suspect them and if that is fair. I have this sinking feeling in my stomach that we may be on the wrong track entirely, so no one is going to escape having his posts reviewed toDay.

[Amanaduial the archer]

I was completely convinced that our wolves are brilliant or at least very good in hiding, but now I see that they're not really very bright at all. Ooh, she's scathing! I shouldn't think insulting them would be the best thing, they'll come after you just because of injured pride! But indeed, that is at best rather careless of the wolves - but personally I wouldn't regard it as suspicious, I do view it as probably just being a slipup. Now, maybe that's just me being biased because, as Lhuna said, the survival of Naria who voted for me yesterday does somewhat seem to incriminate me - but please, survey the following the following voting logic from post #392:

I am on the fence with both of them but more inclined to go with Aman, since I'm not convinced that she believes in my innocence(from yesterday's vote & post and today's posts)and would gladly watch me hang. This certainly gives the impression that, basically, I get Naria's vote because she sees me as a threat to her personally from the village: I consider her suspicious therefore she tried to take me out in order to protect herself. Now, while this definitely does absolutely nothing to assuage my own personal suspicions of Naria (alright, there were fading, but right now? Shootin' up again ;)), it should at least act as some defence of me: Naria didn't so much vote for me because she thought I was a wolf, more because I was a threat to her. This may be wrong, she didn't make a very long post yesterday so I'm working with what I've got, but hey, that's my take on it. Maybe Malkatoj would be a more worthy object of our suspicion based on Naria's post: where Naria voted for me seemingly purely to protect herself from my suspicions (I had voiced suspicions about her and therefore, as a fellow villager, I posed a 'threat'), she also voiced suspicions about Malka, but did not, I deem, make the reasons quite clear enough.

Maybe she was simply going on other people's suspicons on this shady character, but other people have already voiced concern about Malka - but none of us can really find enough evidence against her. Or really any substantial evidence at all. Often the most we can amount it to is a 'bad feeling', and I'm not sure that really can stand up strongly enough when it's a life or death situation. Certainly, Malka bears post analysis, although I don't have time to do it now. Similarly Azaelia definitely bears analysis: where Malka has got the rather rough end of the stick based on her silence and is being considered guilty until proven innocent, general consensus on Azaelia seems to be that she is innocent until proven guilty, again based on her silence. Is she a wolf staying low, or merely with limited computer access? Hmm.

No more time right now, sorry - I must fly, for The Miller's Tale calls...

[Cailín]

Amanaduial - please accept Naria's innocence. If she were not an innocent, the real Hunter would have come out and said something a long time ago since we then would have been able to catch a wolf. I know you are inexperienced, but this should seem rather logical even to someone who has never played before. Our Gifteds are no use when they stay hidden if they know a wolf. That's what the game's all about: catching wolves, and your stubbornness on this account is highly alarming. Small wonder Naria decided to vote for you. You will make things a lot easier on yourself if you can accept Naria as a known innocent. :)

Now to business:

Rune

#70, 72

In character Day 1 posts

#103

Agrees with Gurthang’s famous Seer plan.

#116

Expresses desire to vote for someone on the Nilp wagon. Quoting:

Naria
Malkatoj
Gíl-Galad

I have left Luhna out for now because she was the first to vote for Nilp (not counting him self)and because she tend to get annoyed by people acting like Nilp.

Interesting because Rune seems to be defending Lhuna from the start.

#127

First to vote for Gil, second wagon.

Day 2

#178

Nothing much, explicitly does not clear Menel.

#184

Nothing, really.

#186

Suspects Garin and Meneltarmacil.

#191

Lightly suspects Malkatoj.

Quote:

This is why I will not write Menel off as inoccent, actually I need the seer's word before I belive in the inoccens of anyone.

Luhna if you are a wolf I will start weeping for once again I am convinced of you innocens!

Now is not this odd??

Further says to be wanting to vote for Menel or Garin. Possibly Malka as well.

#200

Votes for Garin. I’m not sure how I feel about this. Both Lhuna and me had two votes by then, so Rune was tying the scores. Might be he felt me or Lhun would gather more votes anyway and this would clear him in the future.

#203

Further defends Lhuna.

Day 3

#271

Claims we hurt his brain.

#273

Agrees Nilp’s death might be telling.
TGWBS is too neutral.
Lhuna has finally managed to make him doubt her innocence.
Still suspects Menel and Malkatoj.
Does not know about Kuru, clears Valier.

#283

Votes for Malkatoj, believes Nilp is innocent.

Day 4

#311

Understands why wolves chose Valier. Is glad he is mentioned too. (though he is really only mentioned by people who are convinced of his innocence).

#335

Is sooner prepared to believe me the Hunter than Naria. Is thus willing to vote for:

TGWBS
Naria
Menel
Malkatoj

#347

Believes still in Menel and Malka’s guilt.

#351

Too confused about TGWBS to vote. Votes Malkatoj instead.

Day 5

#370
Keeps insisting we should consider Malkatoj.

#391

Again, all about Menel and Malkatoj. At least he’s consistent.

#398

Little fight with Malkatoj here. Believes Malkatoj should be on our to-lynch list, to put it in my own words.

--

For now, Rune seems as innocent as they come and I think we should try listening to him when it comes to Malkatoj and Meneltarmacil. Should these two prove to be innocent, we can always take a second look at Rune. For now, however, I'll trust Rune as much as I can. Though I do want an answer to one question: what made you so sure of Lhuna's innocence?

[Cailín]

Day 1

#63

Typical Day one post. Playfully accuses Farael and Eluchil.

#66

Thinks Menel should perhaps not be so random.

#106

Fourth to vote for Nilpaurion Felagund. Claims to have no better idea plus the overly familiar strange feeling.

Day 2

#156

Defends her vote by saying she cross-posted (though a third vote is as bandwagon-ish as a fourth on Day 1).

(Note: I am a student, and my time is therefore limited. With an earlier voting deadline, I'll almost always have to post my votes early and therefore with less evidence or reasoning than others who have time later may have. I'm in EST, by the way.)

Malkatoj, I mean nothing offensive by this, but look at Nilp or Lhuna’s votes – they are always early, but basically never unreasoned.

Suspects Menel and TGWBS for voting for Gil.

#196

Considering your earlier quote, this seems strange to say:

Anyway, I find both Lhunardawen and Alcarillo's early votes suspicious. Neither of them have a lot of (or any) reasoning behind them.

Suspects Alca, votes for Lhunardawen.

#199

Defends herself and her silence again.

Day 3

#234

Suspects TGWBS, Alcarillo, Lhunardawen, Nilpaurion Felagund and Gurthang. All known innocents now. Would a wolf not at least include its fellow to provide some cover? Possibly not.

Thinks one of the people who voted for Garin might have been a wolf:

Farael
Rune
Azaelia
Valier
Kuruharan
Gurthang

#238

Tells zombie Eluchil to stay dead.

#268

Votes for TGWBS (because he’s silent, and how ironic)

No posts on Day 4

Day 5

#371

Continues ranting about lack of time and some curious place called school.

#395

Continues defending herself. Suspects Meneltarmacil and Amanaduial.

#401

Votes for Menel.

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Not a whole lot to go on, but then again, Rune has not posted much either and yet provides better reasoning and all together seems far more innocent. High school can be harsh, Malka, but you could still be a wolf who finds this forced absense all too convenient. I would consider Malkatoj for the gallows toDay.

[Cailín]

I'm starting to feel rather weary of scrutinizing posts for clues for now... So here's my midday review and I hope to see more useful posts from others later on.

Known Innocents

Lhunardawen
Naria
Cailín (again, personal, of course)

Probably Innocent

Rune

Don't knows

Azaelia
Farael

Suspicious

Amanaduial
Malkatoj
Meneltarmacil

Though anyone besides those in the first category could yet be guilty. I have officially stopped underestimating each and every one of you.

My proposed strategy - also for now:

Lynch Malkatoj toDay. Even if she turns out to be innocent, her continued absense is not very helpful. If Malkatoj turns out to be a wolf, I'd feel a lot better about some of the others - like Rune for example, and everyone who has been on her case since the beginning.

If Malkatoj is a wolf, hunt Amanaduial during the Night. Their lack of mentioning each other is highly disturbing and leads me to believe they might be allies during Night time.

If Malkatoj is innocent, hunt Meneltarmacil or possibly still Amanaduial.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Now consider that Rune did not vote yesterDay. We could believe his RL excuse, or maybe we could not. But just one thing I have to ask you, Rune, is this:

While it felt good to me at that time to know that someone completely believes in my innocence, now I find myself wary. How were you able to ascertain my innocence when I was pretty much being suspected by everybody?

Well It is a long time since now and I can of course not remember my thoughts at that exact moment, I guess you will have to settle with a strange explanation. Lhuna have I not allways been able to tell if you where innocent or not? Three villages have we been in and in every one of them I have declared that you are the only one I belive to be innocent. (It has cost me my life two times, you are a dangerous acquaintance miss Lhuna) The only time I questioned it was when you had your neurvos brake down. I guess it is your logic that strikes me as beeing very like mine, maybe logic is not the word. I get you thoughts, now that allsi sounded wrong. I hope you know what I mean.

I have not postet before, because I have had nothing to say at all, as allways I want to vote Malkatoj or Menel.

P.S. As I said in the paning thread I fell asleep in front of the cpu, I was very sick remember. (about me not voting)

[Amanaduial the archer]

If Malkatoj is a wolf, hunt Amanaduial during the Night. Their lack of mentioning each other is highly disturbing and leads me to believe they might be allies during Night time.

#395

Continues defending herself. Suspects Meneltarmacil and Amanaduial.

Hmm. Plus see my last post and one of the posts of yesterday. Hardly not mentioning her...

[Cailín]

Why so silent everyone?

I realise you are mentioning each other now - Aman - you could hardly avoid to now you're both under much suspicion, but most of the times wolves avoid explicitly naming each other, specially the first few days. It took Malkatoj very long to suspect you and you have not named her often, either.

[Cailín]

I'm going out now - I shall return at about 11PM GMT to cast my vote.

I hope to see some posts and possibly clever insights from Malkatoj, Azaelia, Menel and Naria by then, because I cannot analyse an entire game by myself (and this criticism is not meant for Aman or Lhuna).

[Meneltarmacil]

My vote for Aman was because I genuinely suspected her, and I fully intend to vote for her toDay as well. Her fierce defense of Garin prior to hs lynching was the main evidence.

*heh heh*

And I might also add that circumstances had me pressed for time there.

*hee hee*

EDIT: Forgot to finish a sentence.

[Naria]

Hi, I'm here finally. Sorry about the late post, busy day. I know a few of you are waiting to see who my "hunte" is going to be, but alas I'm not going to make it that obvious till I vote. I haven't really done an analyses yet since some of you have done just a wonderful job. I think I'll give it a go today:

Menel- My suspicions of him are growing in light of Luna's dream and his past posts. He also is just now declared his innocence, vaguely and without "heart" I might add. He has yet to bring me up as the Hunter; I'm thinking that he either doesn't really care or he doesn't want to bring attention to himself that I would look at. High on my list.

Cailin- Hmmm, she has defended me adamentally since I have said that I'm the Hunter. Although I am grateful for that I can't help it think that maybe it's a crafty ww plot. It would make sense. I would in turn think that she must be an ordo if she is going to "help" me like that and ya know what, I did. But I started to think maybe that's exactly what she wanted me to believe. I really want to believe in her innocence. So not too high on my list

Azaleia- I, like the rest of you, don't have too much to go on here. I have looked through her posts and found nothing suspicious to me. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. So not high on my list.

Farael- He has been low on my radar since day 1. And that would be the only reason for suspicion. No one has suspected him or even voted for him. It makes me just a little nervous that's all. Not high on my list.

Rune- Same comment for him as I did for Farael. Except for a few banterings back and forth. I would like to think him as innocent as well. Not high on my list.

Lhuna- Our most wise seer, need I say more? Innocent.

Aman- Since she has already had a complete analyses done on her I shant go and do it again, besides her posts are usually reeeally long. I don't know why she hasn't accepted that I'm the Hunter and because of that my suspicions of her are lessening. If she were a ww why would she want me to die?Wouldn't that be suicidal for her? She's either a sneaky critter or an ordo that truly doesn't believe me. However, I can't blow off what other's have said and almost no defence by her. Still high on my list.

Naria- Hunter with time tick'n on a pick!! YiKEs

Malka- For now I don't know about her. Nothing has stood out for me in her posts. It's almost like she really doesn't want too be here or she doesn't want to take the chance on incriminating herself by writing too much. hmmm. ww? high on my list.

That looks to be about it. I know I didn't do that great of a job for an analyses, blame it on inexperience. I will wait for a bit before casting my vote.

[Meneltarmacil]

Might as well get my vote out of the way, heh heh.

++Amanduial the archer

And Naria, I did in fact think you were the Hunter.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Well, the extra time is nice, especially since I haven't had a chance to log on so far toDay.

So about me first. I've voted the wrong way twice (which I mainly blame on having to vote so early), so I resolve to be much more careful toDay.

So here we go... Analysis.

Innocent
Naria and Lhuna, obviously.
And me.

Not suspicious/Very little suspicion
Cailin-She seems very reasonable to me. Her posts make good sense and so far she has not set off any red flags, of the big or small variety
Rune-He hasn't given me any reason to suspect him so far, either. Again, he comes off as reasonable.
Farael-I'm still watching him, but I have decided to relegate him to low suspicion standing, as in unless any drastic twists happen, I won't vote for him toDay. The only thing I was really suspicious of was his call for Lhuna to reveal herself, and he hasn't done anything wolfish since then.

I suspect...
Amanaduial-I went back through her posts and am confused. I also really don't like her refusal to outright say that Naria is the hunter or her continued suspicion of our hunter. Perhaps you see her as a danger to your own cover?
Meneltarmacil - Simply the fact that he came out of the tie alive casts him in a suspicious light. The wolves left him alive for a reason, and perhaps it was because the Wolves wanted someone to distract us villagers from the true culprit, Aman...Though either person out of the lynch alive could have done that.

Entirely unknown
Malkatoj-I do not like suspecting someone simply on the grounds of silence...so as long as there is someone else in my suspicion category, no vote from me. I will be reading what few posts Malka makes with care, though.

My suggested strategy for today, at the risk of sounding bloodthirsty...
Lynch Aman today, because I feel more suspicion toward her (Menel is only suspicious to me because he came out of the tie alive), then hunt Menel during the night...If the hunter is not killed, we can begin to believe that he really is a wolf. (Or that the wolves are cleverer than that...).
I'd also suggest for the Seer to gather information on him at night, as well, but that strategy may be superfluous since we'll at least find out something from the hunter's state of being.

Or the other way 'round: lynch Menel, then hunt Aman. It amounts to about the same thing.

Either way, one of them will get my vote today.

OK, my strategy definitely sounded better in my head...*headdesk*

[malkatoj]

My suspicions from yesterday remain, and nothing especially exciting has happened today, so

++MENELTARMACIL.

[Naria]

I'm going to stick to my vote and theory concerning Aman.

++Amanaduial

[Amanaduial the archer]

Argh, Menel, it is frustrating the way you don't seem to want to full qualify any of your decisions...

++Meneltarmacil

I apologise for this being such a short post, but my laptop is about to die and my little sister is holding the charger hostage, hence I probably won't be able to post again. So if this is goodbye, hey, I'm sorry it isn't more spectacular: I merely ask you to do your duty, and not to make the wrong choice by voting for me. I have no time to defend myself now, there is much I would like to add. But please, review with an unbiased eye...

[Cailín]

I have to vote now and I just don't know anymore! I've made the wrong call so often now that I can hardly make my decision. It will be between Amanaduial and Menel toDay, that much I can gather from the voting and I shall therefore not be a coward and vote for someone else. Please look at Malkatoj tomorrow, if I'm not there anymore (I doubt it because I still think it's most likely the wolves will go for our Hunter next - though they might attempt to catch the ex-Apprentice).

And now I shall do something I have never done before and you shall probably never see me doing again. Trust to fate. *rolls a die* It is:

Amanaduial

But, and this is going to sound silly, as I was writing her name down, I got a bad feeling. And I think that says more than any random roll of dice.

++MENELTARMACIL

You must be a wolf. At least, I very much hope you are. And if you're not, you're a creep anyway.

I hope I did not confuse or puzzle you all too much with this post. Good luck and I pray you all vote wisely. Also, Naria, I trust you make the right decision toNight. :)

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Well...The voting so far stands

Aman-2 (menel and Naria)
Menel-3 (Malka, Aman, and Cailin)

I must say, Menel's pretty-much unexplained vote for Aman has given me pause. In the meantime, I'm going to withold voting for now, since it still feels early in relation to the length of time we have. But I'm definitely leaning more toward Menel than I was before.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

How I Rate People
by Rune

Lhuna and Naria = Innocent.

Cailin - Seems pretty Innocent to me, but if Menel or Malkatoj turn out not beeing wolves I will be ready to rethink this.

Farael - I have no clue. I have not really payed any atention to him and that allways worries me.

Amanaduial- All the talk that have concerned her of late have made me rethink my opinion of her. Might be a wolf, but I got she will not be on my list right away

Azaelia - Seems innocent to me.

My two top suspects remains Meneltarmacil and Malkatoj.

++Meneltarmacil

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I've done some more thinking...and I have decided that Menel seems most wolfish....Unexplained votes are a pet peeve of mine, especially this far from Day 1. I am willing to let Aman's largely-unexplained vote for Menel go because she posted saying that she legitimately had reasons but had no time to write them. I still recommend that you hunt Aman, Naria, but I'm sure you have your own strategy planned out and all ;)

So without further ado, a vote for

++Menel

[Lhunardawen]

Menel - Aman
malka - Menel
Naria - Aman
Aman - Menel
Cailín - Menel
Rune - Menel
Zali - Menel

So the voting's down to me and Farael, and if I'm not mistaken he said he won't be able to post toDay. So it's down to just me.

Even if I vote for Aman, Menel will still be our lynchee. And right now I'm not exactly worried about having him lynched. If he really is our second wolf, does anyone have any suggestions about who the subject of my next dream should be? I'm thinking malka, but you might have better ideas.

And if Menel's not a wolf - we should be looking at the silent ones, especially Zali and malka, perhaps even Rune and Farael even if I still can't picture them as our remaining wolves. And if ever they are, well, I'll hate them for the rest of my life. :p And if one of them turns out to be Cailín, however unlikely...

I'm still not very sure about Aman.

Naria, please choose your next huntee well. I'm not sure if I will die toNight, but hopefully I don't if Menel turns out to be a wolf. And please hope that I ask him the right question, in that case.

++MENELTARMACIL

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Menel - Aman
does anyone have any suggestions about who the subject of my next dream should be? I'm thinking malka, but you might have better ideas.
I think Malkatoj would be an exelent choise, if neiter her or Menel turn out to be wolfs I will kill my self.


And if Menel's not a wolf - we should be looking at the silent ones, especially Zali and malka, perhaps even Rune and Farael even if I still can't picture them as our remaining wolves. And if ever they are, well, I'll hate them for the rest of my life. :p


I think you would be in title to do so; infact if I will hate my self for the rest of my life, if I turn out a wolf. Imagin not telling my self of such a thing. (this was just a silly remark, please do not be confused and kill me)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry for dubble posting.

Lhuna you seem to have made a mistake. Malkatoj votet Meneltarmacil just like last Day.

[Lhunardawen]

I think Malkatoj would be an exelent choise, if neiter her or Menel turn out to be wolfs I will kill my self.I'll hold you to that, Rune. ;)


I think you would be in title to do so; infact if I will hate my self for the rest of my life, if I turn out a wolf. Imagin not telling my self of such a thing. (this was just a silly remark, please do not be confused and kill meImagine being a wolf without knowing it... :D

Sorry. I need a bit of a laugh, you know.


Lhuna you seem to have made a mistake. Malkatoj votet Meneltarmacil just like last Day.Why, I have! You really can't blame me for that, can you? I've been under much stress...

I wonder what this means, further cover for herself? After all it's nearly the end, for good or ill...

[Formendacil]

After Alcarillo’s death, the only thing that the village could decide on was that they didn’t want to kill Lhunardawen. After the better part of a week, two Werewolves still remained hidden in their midst- and about those two Werewolves, the villagers each had some very specific ideas.

The most prevalent idea of the day was that Meneltarmacil was guilty. The dweller on the edge of town had always been considered creepy, but he also seemed more silent than usual, and the remaining villagers were jumpy. Taking his distraction for a sign of Wolfishness, they chose him as their victim.

“What…” said Meneltarmacil, snapping out of his trance. “You’re lynching… me!”

“I believe that is what I just said,” said Naria, the self-proclaimed Huntress having taken on the persona of village law enforcement.

“But… you can’t!” said Meneltarmacil. “I’m the new Ranger!”

“You’re just saying that to get out of a sticky situation!” said Amanaduial.

“I notice that it doesn’t hurt you any,” said Farael.

“No, seriously!” said Meneltarmacil. “Alcarillo’s been training me for months!”

“There’s no way to know short of lynching you,” said Naria. “If we let you live, we’ll never KNOW!”

“I won’t let you do this to the village!” said Meneltarmacil, grabbing his sword. “This is idiocy.”

“What this is,” said Naria, “is following the rules.” She drew her own blade.

Meneltarmacil lunged at Naria, dodging her blows, and attacking with his own.

“You have some skill,” said Naria. “But swordsmanship does not a ranger make.”

“She’s getting a little arrogant, isn’t she?” said Malkatoj to Cailín.

“Oh please!” said Rune, “enough fighting!”

“The village rules were agreed to by Meneltarmacil,” said Lhuna, hard. “He was selected for death today.”

“That’s cruel!” said Rune.

“Careful, or you’ll be next,” said Amanaduial.

Meanwhile, the duel was ending poorly for Meneltarmacil. Naria was clearly the more experienced of the two, and soon he lay, swordless, on the ground.

“Go ahead!” he said, “end it!”

“Any last words?” said Naria.

“I’d rather they weren’t…” said Meneltarmacil, “but if you insist… Then I’m going to say that you’re all idiots. It’s a classic quote, and quite appropriate.”

And in a blow, Naria’s sword crashed down and Meneltarmacil’s life ended. Severed with his neck was a silver chain.

“Look!” said Cailín, pulling it out of the dead man’s tunic. “The Tree of the Kings! Meneltarmacil was the APPRENTICE RANGER, after all.”

“I guess we are idiots,” said Amanaduial.

Day 6 is over, Night 7 is in session. I am waiting for my nightly names. Day 7 will begin at the normal time.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

It was late at night in the village that would come to be known as Dol-in-Gaurhoth. All of the villagers had sought their respective homes, and all of them should have been in bed.

But not all of them were.

Two of the villagers, seemingly harmless by day, had transformed into hideous beasts, and while they prowled the village looking for an ideal victim, there was one other villager awake.

The tired figure of Lhunardawen remained awake in her shop, trying to create a pizza that would divine the secrets of Werewolves. A Lhunatic thing to do, perhaps, but after the deaths of Formendacil, Nilpaurion, Alcarillo, and now Alcarillo's apprentice, Meneltarmacil, Lhuna was running out of options.

Yet again, she had been visited by a spirit of the dead, but the dead villager's thoughts on one of her suspects were no more lucid or helpful than her own thoughts were. But the spirit had insights, and was certainly more objective in death than in life, and Lhuna had every intention of conveying the ideas to the village in the morning.

But the Wolves did not have any such intentions. For unbeknownst to Lhuna, it was that very potion pizza person that the Wolves stalked that night. Even as the spirit of the dead departed, and Lhuna found herself completely without inspiration, the door of her shop opened, and two hairy beasts strode in.

Lhuna lunged for Formendacil's sword, which she had shamelessly taken possession of since his passing. One of the Werewolves, missing it's tail, halted a moment, recognizing the blade.

But the other continued forward, growling. With a mighty leap, it lunged at her. The tailless Werewolf circled around, and attacked from behind.

Lhuna didn't stand a chance. Soon, the cuts and bites of the Werewolves had left her covered in blood, and with several broken bones. As she lay on the floor, waiting for the Werewolves to finish her off, she suddenly became aware that the two beasts had stopped moving, and that their backs bristled with fury.

Between her and the Werewolves, a silvery figure appeared, wielding a sword that looked identical to the one the Wolves had knocked out of her hand. The tall figure looked rather familiar, very much like one Formendacil who had been slain by the same Werewolves.

"Be gone!" said the spirit, forebodingly. Hesistantly, the Wolves obeyed, with one last snarl at Lhunardawen.

The spirit turned to the broken woman on the floor.

"They shall trouble thee no more."

"What are you doing here!" gasped the dying pizza person. "You're dead! Gone beyond the circles of Arda!"

"I have lingered for but a short time, until my death is avenged," said Formendacil.

"Then you should have come sooner, and saved me from this!" said Lhunardawen.

"The dead may not always interfere with the living," said Formendacil. "Because of our kinship, I may be with thee in these last hours, and to spare thee the final blows of the Werewolves. But I may not, and can not, save thee."

"Well," said Lhunardawen, her voice growing weaker as her blood poured out. "If we're just going to sit here, can you tell me who the Werewolves are?"



Dawn came to the village, and the villagers gathered again in their village square. But Lhunardawen was not among them. When they made their way to her shop, and discovered her broken body, they were amazed to see that it was neatly arranged, as if death had come slowly, with time to reflect. And there was no explaining the exasperated and annoyed- but loving- smile on her face.

"So she is dead then," said Cailin. "I feared it was so."

Night 7 is over, Day 7 is begun.

You may begin posting.

Lhunardawen your seer has been killed.

Those alive:

Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia - Town Drunk
Farael - Worm Hunter
Rune – Misplaced Hobbit Peace Activist
Amanaduial - Northman Travel Guide
Naria - Store Proprietor
Malkatoj – Philosophy Professor

Those dead:

Formendacil - Moderator - Killed by Werewolves, Night 1
Gil-Galad - Shrubber - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 1
Kath - Gongfarmer - Cobbler - Killed by Werewolves, Night 2
Garin - Horse Loaner - Werewolf - Killed by Vilager, Day 2
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper - Ordo - Killed "Accidentally" by Werewolf, Day 2
NIGHT 3 - NO DEATH
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 3
Valier - Brewmaster - Ordo - Killed by Werewolves, Night 4
TGWBS - Hat Maker - Ordo - Shot by the Village, Day 4
Gurthang - Rancher - Ordo- Killed by Werewolves, Night 5
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant - Cursed (Ordo) - Lynched by Village, Day 5
Alcarillo - Moneylender - Ranger - Killed by Werewolves, Night 6[/QUOTE]
Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town - Apprentice Ranger - Executed by the Village, Day 6
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person - Seer - Killed by Werewolves, Night 7

[Cailín]

I knew it, but it still hurts. :( Lhuna, rest easy. I know what this game must have cost you (judging by what it is still costing me – my sanity) and though I feel rather lost without you, I am glad you can finally be at peace.

Okay. Menel was the Ranger. The key is to keep breathing. I feel endlessly stupid and dungheaded of course, but I thought Menel was a safe choice, also because he once explicitly stated to be simply an innocent villager. And yesterDay I got this strange feeling that Amanaduial might have been the Apprentice. Besides, I was reluctant to let go of one of the few very vocal players left. But not anymore.

I was rather torn this morning, whether I should completely change my views or whether I should stick with the old ones. Thinking rationally, the choice was easy. I am not swaying. There is little chance we can build a convincing case against one of the silent ones who have not yet been under much suspicion. If the wolf pair is Rune and Farael, we shall not find out anymore. It’s too risky and they have played too well. However, if Amanaduial or Malkatoj does turn out to be a wolf and we let them slip now, I think we shall forever hate ourselves. Surely even these two must understand this, if not of herself, if they are innocent, I’m sure they feel the same way about the other.

I have seen this happening before. I have read about it. A 180-degree turn just as you are starting to get to the bottom of it, is never a good idea. Just read some of the older legends – especially with the name sounding similar to my own -, and you will see what I am talking about. And yesterDay and the Day before that, I changed my mind right before voting each time. Bad plan. So I’m not going to change my mind anymore. In my view, Amanaduial and Malkatoj must die before the end.

Starting with Malkatoj. Of the two, she seems the most wolvish and is besides the least interesting to keep around, seeing that Amanaduial contributes far more to the general discussion. Whatever happens, whether she claims to be Eru himself or whatever, my vote is for Malkatoj toDay and I shall not let myself be deluded again. What say you?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Damn I killed our Apprentice Ranger and thereby our seer. Well you helped, but I feel like I did it my self.

If this makes people look at me as a wolf I would normaly say: fine kill me, but we really cannot afford to kill any innocents.

What do we do now, I don't know.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

"have just read Cailín's post"

I will support voting for Malkatoj or we could do something completley wack.

[Farael]

Are we going to hesitate any longer? last day I came back in time for the voting (pretty much at the alst minute) but it would have been impossible for me to save Menel and while I hesitated I guess we all lost our temper and got rid of the wrong person but... are we going to wait any longer to rid ourselves of Amanduial? Menel voted for her even before she could vote for him... I don't care what happens today, she has to go. I say

++Amanduial so that nothing can sway my vote otherwise.

[Amanaduial the archer]

but... are we going to wait any longer to rid ourselves of Amanduial Oh, nice phrasing there, Farael. :p But please, come on, at least qualify your vote - give some sort of explained reason for attempting to kill me!

If this makes people look at me as a wolf I would normaly say: fine kill me, but we really cannot afford to kill any innocents.
Ok, the previous phrase didn't, but that sure did, Rune. As for killing me...come on, haven't we all killed enough innocents already? You want to kill another?

I haven't time to make a full post - I'm all sicky and have just come back from singing in a concert (I can actually now taste blood in my mouth when I cough...), and now intend to sleeeep. But when I come back...well, Farael frankly your vote disappoints me, not because it is for me, of course, but because of the way it is phrased without any actual reasoning. Please, come on, if you're going to vote for anyone, myself included, please, at least reason it out - and don't just give a reason as 'because someone else did'! :)

No time. Sleep calls. Shall muse on this all tomorrow...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ok, the previous phrase didn't, but that sure did, Rune

The phrase was the result of a anger/Full of the sense of approaching death/fustration mixture, it was not very well put together at all.

What I was saying was that if people at some point finds me wolfish because of the result of a lynching wich I played a significant part in. I would say finish me off so that you will not be troubled by me in the final stages. The problem right now is that we are at the final stages. . .

In fact I am suprised about you putting so much into this phrase Amanaduial. . . It seemed pretty much as a stupid, but innocent thing.

I guess it is not up to me to judge these things.

[Farael]

See Amanduial, you keep trying to raise suspicions about one of the lest suspected villagers (Rune) and most people are right on thinking I'm innocent as well.... your behaviour was been suspicious all the way through. You take accusations so personal it almost seems you have a "cola de paja" as my grandfather used to say... that means that you are guilty of something and you jump every time someone mentions you because you are concerned that if you let even one comment go unanswered the truth will come out.

I think more than an excelent case has been done against you and I have nothing to add to it. I stand by my vote, if you don't like it, lynch me.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Last Night's events were unfortunate, but not entirely unexpected.

My voting record has been quite unfortunate over the past few Days...so here's to hoping that we catch ourselves a wolf.

Farael is sounding reasonable, and I agree with his statements made in the previous post.

Unless something changes, I'll be sticking with my suspicion of Aman toDay...But it's after 11:00 pm here and I am getting really sleepy. I can't think clearly on no sleep, so it's off to bed for me... Don't expect anything out of me for the rest of the night here. I'll try to get on again first thing after I wake up.

[Cailín]

Farael, indeed you are even more strong-willed than I am toDay. I will likely stick with my vote for Malkatoj, still, because even though I believe the case against Amanaduial is strong (and getting repetitive after three Days - don't know why she'd want more reasons), Malkatoj's silence is more disturbing and at least Amanaduial has made an attempt to defend herself in a admittedly suspicious manner. Besides, if one of them turns out to be innocent, I suppose the voting would be more telling if we spread the votes instead of all going for one person.

But I still think you are making sense and I will certainly pay attention to what you're saying.

Rune, I know how you feel. I also cannot avoid feeling a little responsible for Lhuna and Menel's death, but Menel has failed to reveal himself even though Lhuna and I both insisted the new Ranger should reveal himself if it were likely he would be lynched. We would then possibly have been able to lynch Wolf-Aman yesterDay and allow Lhuna one more dream. But tis no good dwelling on the past and we have all made mistakes these past few days - doubtless Menel believed himself safe for the moment, especially since I stated I'd vote for Aman or Malkatoj.

I think we may now be sure Naria gets attacked toNight - being the last known innocent in the village and so I propose that we lynch Amanaduial and shoot Malkatoj or the other way around. Naria, what do you think? Seeing you're the last known innocent, I'd respect your opinion the most.

[Cailín]

I have to leave now and I may or may not be home before the deadline. Anyway - I shall vote now.

++MALKATOJ

I am sure this needs no further explanation, see my previous posts for reasons / speculations and theories. Good luck, villagers.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My god this is a slow day! I don't think I have ever seen anything like this before.

I have been going thru the case against Amanaduial and I actually have come to agree with it more or less. Farael comments about your accusations against me made me realise, that it was indeed a strange thing to do. You seem to be desperate to get you self of the hook by accusing people whenever you get the chance.

I think I will Malkatoj again, but I am not completley sure. I will give her (and you) half an hour to change my mind then I will vote.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Malkatoj

First we take Malkatoj then we take Amanaduial. (It does not sound as good as Manhattan and Berlin)

[Farael]

I have been going thru the case against Amanaduial and I actually have come to agree with it more or less. Farael comments about your accusations against me made me realise, that it was indeed a strange thing to do. You seem to be desperate to get you self of the hook by accusing people whenever you get the chance.


Rune, I have not accused you at all. I'm trying to raise the town against Amanduial, I think you Innocent... please do tell me where you thought I was accusing YOU

[Naria]

I will once again be voting for Aman for reason's that I have stated before and reason's other people have stated, I feel no need to go into any of them again.

++Amanaduial

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

It''s rather quiet around here... I expect that as we get closer, more people will show up...

I'd prefer to vote Aman today, because, as I have said several times before, mere lack of participation is not necessarily a valid way to pick someone to lynch...there are more factors to take into account. I'm not trying to defend Malka here since at this point, she's even quieter than I am, and that is definitely an accomplishment, and I agree that her lack of participation has arrived at the point of suspicion.

Aman, on the other hand, each time I review her posts, I get more suspicious. I've said before that seeing something from all sides is important when used to clarify, but her use of it seems to me more in the direction of muddying the waters and causing confusion. So I guess I'd rather lynch her today and go for Malka as a hunter victim...Though either way it amounts to the same thing.

But I just had a thought: If the wolves feel that they're in danger because we've found both of them, the remaining one (Or both if today's lynchee is innocent) won't kill Naria because though she's known, she's dangerous to kill. If that makes sense. I know there's a better way to put it, but it's not coming to mind.

So today, I'll vote

++Aman

Because she seems more suspicious of the two suspicious ones, at least to me. Here's to hoping we catch a wolf today, and, if our hunter is lost, another tonight!

ETA: I was right about others showing up--Cross-posted with Farael, and cross-voted with Naria.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Aman, on the other hand, each time I review her posts, I get more suspicious. I've said before that seeing something from all sides is important when used to clarify, but her use of it seems to me more in the direction of muddying the waters and causing confusion. Seems my efforts to be less well-rounded in my approach didn't work :rolleyes: :p And it seems it may get me lynched before the Day is up, in...goodness, less than 20 minutes...

I'm not sure a defence is much good now except to say how surprised I am that I'm being chosen over Malkatoj, when, from her posts, I was fairly sure I wasn't alone in picking up danger signs about her - and plus that constant creepy absence...;) 3-2 in favour (ha!) of my being lynched, and I come to a strange pass of who to actually vote for...

I have a quarter of an hour left in this village, and as this is certainly not time to form any sort of reasonably argument in my defence (I apologise for my absence today, by the way: concerts and rehersals today and yesterday...), all I can say is...well, you're making a mistake. Cliched it may be, but what can I do? Argue in my defence I get persecuted, argue in someone else's defence and I get persecuted...

Still, I'll drink to that: cheers, and may you have a happy last few days hunting as the wolves narrow the odds and you choose to kill yet another innocent villager toDay!

[Formendacil]

The village was sullen, and silent following Lhunardawen's death. Bereft of a leader, the villagers were hesitant to attract any attention to themselves, and remained subdued and quiet. Naria, the only seemingly sure innocent in the village seemed unwilling or unable to fill in as the village leader.

The voting was quiet, although those voting were convinced that what they were doing was correct. And it was Amanaduial who got the death sentence that day.

"What you're up to is wrong," she warned them. "You'll regret it!"

"Why?" said Rune, a smouldering antipathy towards Amanaduial burning after a week of dispute. "Are you a Werewolf?"

"Actually," said Amanaduial, lunging for him, "I am!"

Amanaduial's long hunting knife flashed in her hand, but it wasn't at Rune that she lunged, but at the village protector, Naria. Naria was knocked to the ground, winded and wounded, Amanaduial's knife stuck in her right shoulder. Amanaduial took flight.

"Get her!" cried Farael. And the remaining villagers took off- except for Rune. The short fellow calmly bent down, grabbed one of the smaller stones out of the ground, and hurled it after the fugitive. It struck her hard in the back of her head. She collapsed, stunned.

Cailin was the first to reach Amanaduial.

"Quick!" she cried. "A sword!"

"Here!" Malkatoj handed her Formendacil's blade. Not waiting for the rest to veto her act or approve it, Cailin made a swift chop with the sword, severing head from body. Amanaduial's head rolled away from the body, and began to change, as did the body itself. Soon the severed form of a dead wolf lay before them.

"Hurray!" cried Rune. "We finally got another one!"

"Yes, the village is saved!" cried Malkatoj.

"Not yet," said Farael. "Those notes said 'the Werewolves - plural- in your midst', even after Garin's death."

But even this solemn pronouncement did not dampen their spirits.

Day 7 is over, Night 8 is begun.

Posting is over.

I need the nightly names from the last Werewolf, and from the Hunter.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

It was a week since the village had discovered the dead body of Formendacil, the eighth day of deliberating, of trying to find the Werewolves. And yet again, they awoke to find one of their number missing. This time, it was Rune.

What had happened to the short, shoeless, little man, none of them knew- except one, of course- but they all guessed. And when they came to Rune's home on the east end of the village, they were proven right. Rune, Son of Bjarne, lay dead on his floor, the taletell marks of his Wolvish killers marring his body.

"Did he leave any instructions about what to do with his body?" said Malkatoj, with a sniffle.

"No," said Farael. "He always spoke of other things: peace, prosperity, a new world order, the importance of community, of living in a commune of peace. That commune-ism was his chief interest."

"Wasn't there a connection to a Dwarf?" asked Cailin. "I seem to recall some bearded dwarf creature figuring into all that commune stuff."

"No, it wasn't a Dwarf," said Naria. "I think it was a comedian. Markes, or something like that."

"He looked like a Groucho, anyway," said Cailin.

"We'll bury him with the others, then," said Azaelia. "With all his talk of community, it only seems appropriate. Such a pity that someone so devoted to peace had to die so violently."

"That's why the sword can never be laid down," said Naria. "Be as pacifistic as you like, the other side can never be guaranteed to do the same. 'tis better to keep your trust in arms."

"Which reminds me," said Malkatoj, "though I doubt that any of us could really have forgotten it, but we still need to hunt out at least one more Werewolf."

"Hunt it out, and kill it," said Naria, coldly.

Night 8 is over, Day 8 is begun.

You may begin posting.

Those alive:

Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia - Town Drunk
Farael - Worm Hunter
Naria - Store Proprietor
Malkatoj – Philosophy Professor

Those dead:

Formendacil - Moderator - Killed by Werewolves, Night 1
Gil-Galad - Shrubber - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 1
Kath - Gongfarmer - Cobbler - Killed by Werewolves, Night 2
Garin - Horse Loaner - Werewolf - Killed by Vilager, Day 2
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper - Ordo - Killed "Accidentally" by Werewolf, Day 2
NIGHT 3 - NO DEATH
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 3
Valier - Brewmaster - Ordo - Killed by Werewolves, Night 4
TGWBS - Hat Maker - Ordo - Shot by the Village, Day 4
Gurthang - Rancher - Ordo- Killed by Werewolves, Night 5
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant - Cursed (Ordo) - Lynched by Village, Day 5
Alcarillo - Moneylender - Ranger - Killed by Werewolves, Night 6[/QUOTE]
Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town - Apprentice Ranger - Executed by the Village, Day 6
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person - Seer - Killed by Werewolves, Night 7
Amanaduial - Northman Travel Guide - Werewolf - Killed by the Village, Day 7
Rune – Misplaced Hobbit Peace Activist - Ordo - Killed by Werewolves, Night 8

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Of course, we do not know who Naria's hunt-ee was this past Night, but I find it suspicious that after all our talk of lynching either Aman or Malka and hunting the other, that Malka is still alive.

Though perhaps it was too obvious, and Malka is a frame-up. I'll have to review carefully.

[Cailín]

Poor Rune. Such a kind little fella.

But yay, we finally managed to lynch a wolf yesterDay - and what a traitor Aman turned out to be! Now I have a few theories why Naria was not killed last night, seeing that she is the official last know innocent.

1) Malkatoj is the final wolf and decided to drag it on for another Day.
2) Malkatoj is not the final wolf. We lynch her toDay and the wolf hopes Naria takes down an innocent with her toNight, ergo, a wolvish victory. It is likely Naria would choose me as a secondary victim, so that would be rather convenient.

However, if Malkatoj is indeed innocent and the wolf had killed Naria and indirectly Malkatoj toNight, we'd still have only one day left to find the wolf and chances would be considerable I'd be the one lynched if Malka is proven innocent.

Either way, if we don't catch a wolf toDay, it is over. Unless Naria would choose not to hunt anyone. And therefore I'd ask Naria to seriously consider that if we don't manage to find a wolf toDay and finds herself clueless. If we lynch an innocent, would we leave it up to Naria to make the right decision or would we rather argue over it another Day? I'm not sure, whatever the majority prefers, I suppose.

I still think option 1 provided above is the most likely - this might be just an attempt to sow discord for another Day. However, I shall decide on my vote tomorrow when I am a little more clearheaded. Sleep well, dolls.

[Farael]

You know Cailin, I was remembering last night's voting and well.... you are the only one who did NOT vote for Amanduial and is still alive.

Don't you think it's quite convenient? you convince us to vote Malka today and Naria not to hunt anyone tonight... that way you ensure your survival for another night to eat us all, eh

There have been suspicions against you but the biggest clue against you is that Azaelia voted for Amanduial yesterday, so did I and Naria... I'd say that gets us of the hook as a wolf would know that with so few of us left a vote could make the whole difference.

Malkaltoj did not vote last night but I'm willing to give her another night's grace. I think you are too dangerous Cailin, the only experienced unknown. And so far two of the wolves were inexperienced... I think that Sauron would have been smarter than to choose three inexperienced wolves. I think tonight you shall be our lynching pray and we will let Naria decide what to do.

And before you start spreading misinformation about me, try to see who lead the votes against Garin and Amanduial. I am innocent. You are not.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Interesting points, Farael...

I'm going to have to vote within the next hour and a half or so, because I have work.

It's a shame not to have more to go on, because these early votes of mine invariably go wrong.

I'm at a point where a lot of people are looking suspicious, so I must review.

[malkatoj]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry. I disappeared to another state to visit my boyfriend and didn't have access to a computer. I thought I would. Sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry.

On the other hand, WOOHOO a wolf is gone! One left, and I'm definitely agreeing with Farael after reading the posts over. Cailin's recent voting record looks extremely suspicious. Her most recent post about also seems very confusing and self-defeating--she seems to be assuming that the remaining wolf will go for Naria if not lynched today. How would a non-wolf know wolfish plans?

I would like to see what else comes up during the DAY but I unfortunately have to go to sleep since I'm at school more than usual tomorrow. (I hate senior year.) So, since I won't be back on to my knowledge and even if I am, better safe than sorry:

++CAILIN

(sorrysorrysorrysorrysorry)

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

If you had not just posted, Malka, you would have gotten my vote this evening.

As it is, Farael's and Malka's reasoning has drawn me to the conclusion that perhaps our wolf is trickier than we thought...Cailin has always been reasonable, perhaps too reasonable.

Though the suggestion of Naria not choosing if she doesn't have a sure target and our lynch-ee today is innocent does make sense if I think about it...because we're a village of 5, 4 of us innocent. If our lynch-victim is innocent, we're down to 4, and 3 innocents. And then, if Naria is eaten toNight, and she picks an innocent victim, that's another two down. One wolf and one innocent. We lose. Which may be why Naria is still alive...because the wolf was hiding behind a hope that she would become confused and take an innocent out tonight.

However, I do not know about Farael, either...he also is very reasonable, or at least reasonable-seeming. But I've harbored some degree of suspicion against him for a long time. His idea of letting someone suspicious (Malka) slide for another night could be letting a wolf get away. And he did bring up an argument against Cailin first. (And to really beat the dead horse, he was the one to call for Lhuna to reveal herself.)

And Malka's previous lack of participation is also suspicious, though that alone should not condemn her, and she was absent yesterDay.

Naria is the only one I know for sure is innocent.

And my schedule demands that I have to vote now or not at all. eek.

My mind says Cailin. My gut says Farael. And Malka lurks around the edge of it all (I, too, have a sense of melodrama).

But my time is up. I've convinced myself. I am going to vote for

++Farael

But my gut instincts have been very, very wrong before. So wrong that I don't know why I bother to listen to them anymore. I just know that Cailin and Malka both feel wrong. I would urge all those who have not voted yet to please withold and use all time available to vote, to gather all facts that you can because this could just be our last day to catch a wolf. I'm not saying vote for Farael. I'm saying look around, post a lot, weigh your options carefully.

If this is putting pressure on anyone, I apologize.

If Cailin is innocent (stranger things have certainly happened) I would recommend looking at Farael because he sounded off with a lot of force against her, and was the first to do so.

Well. I hope we all survive this coming Night. And I hope to "see" this village alive and kicking when I return from work on Wednesday night in time to see the events of the rest of today, and to see if we survived.

[Farael]

However, I do not know about Farael, either...he also is very reasonable, or at least reasonable-seeming. But I've harbored some degree of suspicion against him for a long time. His idea of letting someone suspicious (Malka) slide for another night could be letting a wolf get away. you kidding my friend? if I wasn't almost convinced of Cailin's guilt I'd be voting for you!!! you say you don't want to let a suspect get away yet... you vote for me rather than the suspect?

And he did bring up an argument against Cailin first. (And to really beat the dead horse, he was the one to call for Lhuna to reveal herself.) You know as well as I do that it was the right call to make at the time. There is no way Lhuna would have survived this far and she would have gathered no new information. At least we knew of a few innocents for a while.



If Cailin is innocent (stranger things have certainly happened) I would recommend looking at Farael because he sounded off with a lot of force against her, and was the first to do so.
Please, review yesterday's posting to see who sounded off with a lot of force against Amanduial the Wolf!!

Well. I hope we all survive this coming Night. And I hope to "see" this village alive and kicking when I return from work on Wednesday night in time to see the events of the rest of today, and to see if we survived.
Mark my words... not only you will find the village alive and kicking, but it will be wolf free.

We know that Naria is innocent and unless Malka has lied to us by saying she did not have Internet until just a while ago today (which would not qualify as "fair game") it would have meant that she could have not chosen the wolve's kill for the night. That leaves Azaelia, Cailin and Me. If my voting record does not speak for itself (Fangarin and Amanduial the wolf) then I say you should kill me now and rid yourselves of the doubt. But you will be voting towards your own destruction.

That leaves Azaelia and Cailin. I'm willing to spare Azaelia for the time being as Cailin has been much more suspicious than her. I will cast an early vote because I can't be certain I will be around tomorrow, but I trully believe

++Cailin
Is the wolf.

[Cailín]

I feared this might happen. This sudden voting for me is unreasoned, not very bright and probably the result of our longstanding weariness. Believe me, I wish I were a wolf. If I was, I would have played a brilliant game, and I have not. I said yesterDay how dangerous it would be to change strategy just before the end and obviously, no one really paid attention or thought I was just being wolvish.

I don´t think Farael is guilty. If I am lynched and found innocent toDay Naria is likely going to hunt you and the wolves lose. I think you just took too big a risk for a wolf, but I am not too certain. If I vote for you now, and you are innocent - as I believe you are - I shall be the one hunted toNight and we lose too. So I will definitely not to do that. Anyway, I hope you will soon regret your decision Farael, or prove to be the final wolf for your own sake. I was not against the lynching of Amanaduial, and have always argued for it, even though I never actually voted for her, which - I grant - must seem a little suspicious. However, Malkatoj is still the important suspicious one. Her votes were more off than mine and her enthusiasm to start the upcoming bandwagon against me shows.

Huhm, but anyway:

++CAILIN

Naria - I leave it up to you and if you are not killed toNight, I leave it up to the remaining villagers tomorrow. I can't get Malkatoj lynched anymore toDay. And if I have to die, I shall go on my own terms and I shall not be disgracefully shot in the Night. Besides, I have always wanted to vote for myself once. Nilp has it right, tis quite fun. I will be around later on to provide you with my final thoughts.

[Cailín]

I actually have classes to attend but I feel I have to share my thoughts with you right now.

I am sorry Farael is so convinced of my guilt, for the longer I think about it, the more I think he´s innocent. Imagine Farael being the last wolf. Naria was set to kill Malkatoj or possibly –but not probably- me last night. Farael could have just killed Naria & Malka and try framing me or Malka for it toDay. This scheme would likely have succeeded, for I am the most suspicious character after Malkatoj. Bút, the wolf chose to kill Rune, an ordinary instead. Wolf-Farael has nothing to gain and everything to lose if he followed this strategy. Accusing me during the Day and me an innocent being lynched, plus no more suspicious Malkatoj to fall back on, Farael would be in serious danger. Therefore I can only conclude Farael is a slightly deluded innocent.

Because of the reasoning above, I could never have voted for Farael. Even if I would have been able to convince Naria of my innocence, that would quickly have changed toNight and Naria would very likely have hunted me – seeing as she was suspicious of me since the beginning.

If Azaelia is the final wolf, kudos to her. Well done. But I’m still 90% certain the final wolf is Malkatoj. Remember - she was the only one who clearly had anything to gain by toNight's events. So consider it my dying wish that she is hunted toNight and if it comes to that, lynched tomorrow. And also – ironically enough – I am pleading for Farael’s life. He is simply a little foolish, but I highly doubt he’s a wolf.

[Formendacil]

Another day had passed. The last of the villagers were quiet and wary. They no longer trusted any of their companions. All that they wished to know was who was guilty. But no one, naturally, was exactly forthcoming in answering that question.

The votes for the day were tallied, each of the villagers stonily counting over each other's shoulders. Cailín had drawn the short straw.

"I won't put up a fuss," she said. "I must have done something to deserve this- unless you're ALL werewolves.

They went to the hanging tree.

"Erm... any last words?" asked Farael, uncomfortably conscious of some of the death speeches they had already heard.

"No, I don't think so," said Cailín. "I'm ready to go. This almost feels like a Numenorean release..."

"Then our apologies if you're innocent, and our hatred if you're not," said Naria, and soon Cailín hung from the tree- dead.

"Not a single sign of wolfishness," said Azaelia, drawing away from Farael and Malkatoj, as if one of them would eat her.

"This is getting frustrating," said Naria, irritably.

"Come on," said Malkatoj. "Let's all go to bed. By this time tomorrow, it should all be over."

DAY 8 is over, NIGHT 9 is begun. Please cease posting- not that you have done any of that for the last twelve hours...

Due to the number of villagers remaining, tomorrow will be the last day. Due to the lack of a Night therefollowing, and due to my annoying worklife, I'll probably let the day end slide for a few hours.

Werewolf, Hunter... the last night comes. Names please.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

I appear to have been rather wool-headed yesterday... and probably still am, mind you. I blame it on the pizzas...

Anyway, when I said that the DAY END would be delaying for Day 9 (the final day...), I should have said the DAY START would be delayed.

Anyone calling me a "fool of a Took" would be quite justified, right now.

[Formendacil]

Okay, Night 9 is- belatedly- over. Day 9 is begun.

Naria has given me notice that she will not be voting today. By special act of the Moderating Power, I herewith consign victory to whomever shall vote for the other first: Villager or Werewolf.

[Formendacil]

And...

I am really stupid today, for some reason...

I should perhaps have mentioned that Farael is dead.

That leaves Malkatoj and Azaelia.

And yes, Farael, I'll give you a death- just give me time to collect my wits, go to choir practice, and hopefully regain my sense.

[Formendacil]

The ninth morning after Formendacil's death, the last villagers of Dol-in-Gaurhoth rose.

Malkatoj and Azaelia met each other in the square. No one else appeared.

"What happened?" asked Azaelia. "Surely the Werewolf didn't get Naria."

"I don't know," said Malkatoj, baffled. "Let's go check."

They came to Naria's home, and discovered that the Huntress was gone. Only a parchment note- so terribly similar to those of the Werewolves- remained on her doorstep.

"Dear Villager," it began.

"For there is only one of you left. By now, Farael is dead. And I was unable to stop the Wolf. It was foolish of me, perhaps, to claim to be the Huntress. Not that I am not a Huntress, but that I have been unable thus far to save anyone. At least Alcarillo died honourably. The fact that I am still alive speaks of nothing but contempt for me by the Wolves.

I am leaving- this village, this land, this world.

Good-bye."

And it was signed:

~Naria~

"Oh dear..." said Azaelia.

"Umm... yeah...." said Malkatoj. "What about Farael?"

Standing a safe distance away from each other, and eyeing each other suspiciously, the two women made their way to Farael's home. The last man in the village lay bloodied, but neat, on his bed, hands folded over his chest.

"Naria must have been here," said Malkatoj. She turned to Azaelia.

"Okay, Werewolf, it's you and me. Let's have this out now- once and for all."

Fear in her eyes, Azaelia fled the house, certain a Werewolf was behind her....

[malkatoj]

++Azaelia

(Unless this means the game is over? It should, but you didn't say that, so just in case.)

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

++ Malkatoj.

Is the Wolf.

It's too late but whatever.

Here's hoping my death is good. Goodbye cruel world :p

School was my downfall.

[Formendacil]

Malkatoj tore after Azaelia, sword in hand. Azaelia, terrified, made it out of the village, and onto the rolling plains, hoping to escape the Werewolf that was surely pursuing her, and maybe make it back to civilization.

Such was not to be the case. Nightfall came, and although Azaelia still eluded her, it was only a matter of time before Malkatoj transformed, and had her faster, lupine form with which to pursue her. A lupine form with no tail.

And so it came to pass that the last, brave villager of Dol-in-Gaurhoth was felled by a Werewolf. Falling dead upon the tall, wavy grasses of Rhovannion, there was no one to see her die or to mark where she lay.

What befell the Werewolf Malkatoj, none could say. It was assumed that she joined the forces of evil in Mordor or Angmar. When she came at last to her end, no one knows.

The final episode in the life of the cursed village of Dol-in-Gaurhoth came less than a month after Formendacil's death, a fortnight after Azaelia's slaying. A company of Gondorian Rangers, and an old man in grey came to wooden palisade, hoping to find shelter for the night, only to find the burned home of Gurthang, the fresh graves, and the rope dangling off the great tree the villagers had used for hanging.

"What befell these people, Incánus?" asked the captain, bewildered. "You said that there were twenty people in this village, but verily, I see a good dozen graves, and there is not a sign that anyone lives here."

Incánus looked over the scene before them.

"I know not, Ingold," he replied. "But it was not a pestilence, else the last few bodies would remain."

"I'll have my men search the village," said Ingold. "Whatever befell them, it bodes ill."

Ingold and his men searched the village from top to bottom, and what they saw was disquieting, but what had happened remained uncertain, until they made camp in the village that night and Ingold fell asleep.

In his dreams, the figure of a tall Dúnadan of later middle age appeared to him, a bloodied sword in hand.

"I am Formendacil," said he. "For my sake, the inhabitants of this town remained to confront the evil in their midst. For I was slain by Werewolves of Sauron- people in Wolvish form whom I had otherwise counted as friends. Now all the villagers have joined me in death. Sleep in peace, Man of Gondor, for the servants of evil will avoid this place."

The figure faded. The next morning, Ingold sought out Incánus, and told him of his dream.

"Dol-in-Gaurhoth," murmured Incánus. "The Hill of Werewolves. That is disquieting, indeed, for I had not thought that such servants of Sauron remained still."

"Can we hunt down these foul beasts?" asked Ingold.

"I think that some of them are dead already," said Incánus. "These villagers caught a couple of them. But no, I don't think we can hunt them. All we can do is watch, and wait. It is only a matter of time before another village suffers the legacy of TOL-IN-GAURHOTH."

~Finis~

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

I'll have my Moderator's Analysis and Comments up sometime over the weekend.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I cannot belive that you let Malkatoj live!

well I guess she played her cards right at the end.

It has was fun not to be killed on day 2 for once, I was kind of shocked when I was not lynched. All in all it was a good game, allthoug kind of quiet in the end.

Lhuna you just have to accept that I know when your innocent.

actually I will save further comments to another time. . .

Great Moderating by the way

[the guy who be short]

That was foreseeable. :p

[Kuruharan]

I’m claiming a moral victory for myself.:D Not only did I completely peg two wolves but I was thoroughly suspicious of the third. If only certain people had listened. :rolleyes:

Actually, after I was lynched I was convinced that Cailín was the werewolves mastermind who had done the whole thing. As it turned out, I was right the first time. On the whole it is probably better that I died when I did (for any number of reasons).

However, I do hope in the future that people will first look and act on the evidence before they start flying off the handle on gut instinct. ;)

[Garin]

Congratulations, Malkatoj, I didn't think we would pull it off near the end. I truly need to work on my people skills because my attitude just got me lynched on the 2nd day of WWJ. That experience made me appreciate working with you the 'big boys'and I really appreciated Form's modding in comparison.
My big problem was that I lacked confidence and took all my advice from a non-participating veteran. I'm still finding my Downs identity I suppose.
He talked me into Kath and the minute I posted my vote I KNEW she was the cobbler. It was too late however.

[Gurthang]

Lhuna, I'm so, so sorry. :(

I can't believe malkatoj survived that long under so much suspicion. Huh.

(Post 1,000! :D)

[Farael]

Darned Darned and a lot of inenteligible swears in Spanish!!! I was so utterly convinced of Malkatoj's innocence!! and I agree with Kuruharan

...I was convinced that Cailín was the werewolves mastermind who had done the whole thing... I always suspected her... she was too smart and defensive. On the night she got lynched, she came out too strong, giving too much advise to my eyes.. I was weary (and to be honest, a little tired) so I figured "ok, let's finish this up..."

It's a shame Naria couldn't be here, it would have been a great finish... but I'm glad I was not alive for the last day, as I would have voted for Azaelia... her last post the last night made me feel suspicious... and Malkatoj was so abscent that I figured she was just an innocent with not enough free time. I don't want to sound like a sore looser, but barring her not being here often there was no real evidence against her. Which reminds me, Malka, were you really busy or did you take advantage of the situation? if you did, I must say you out-smarted us all... but then, you won so I guess you out-smarted us anyway.

I'm sorry my fellow villagers that I failed you... you all played a good game, it could have been either way.

And just to clarify what could have been the most controversial topic with regards to what I said... I trully believed (and still do) that it was a good time for Lhuna to come out... there were plenty of nights before we managed to get our second wolf and even if she hadn't came out she might have been dead anyway. It was unfortunate that one of her known innocents was our ranger... and that we lynched our apprentice the following day!!


Edit: Where are my modals?!?! Moderacil, it was a pleasure to read your stories... but could I please get a death? I am somewhat looking forward to my death... Although if you are busy it's all good

[malkatoj]

Shock and confusion! You guys were half prepared to kill me on the second day, I could not believe when I lived to the end like this. Especially when you caught on to Aman. And the entire time everyone is saying 'so Malka's a wolf, but I'll let her go another day because we need to find this out' and well, I killed you all!

Awesome modding, Form, and awesome playing everyone else. Thanks to my fellow wolves for rocking so awesomely.

Oh, and Form, which of us had no tail?

:smokin:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Shock and confusion! You guys were half prepared to kill me on the second day, I could not believe when I lived to the end like this. Especially when you caught on to Aman. And the entire time everyone is saying 'so Malka's a wolf, but I'll let her go another day because we need to find this out' and well, I killed you all!


I cannot belive it either! You kept getting more and more wolfish in my eyes, but I could not make a strong case against you. (mostley because of your limited posting)

[Meneltarmacil]

I guess I should have been more talkative this game. I didn't really feel the need to contribute when I didn't have any helpful ideas; however, seeing as it got me lynched, perhaps I should post more frequently in the future.

Anyway, interesting game. Nilp, of course, *bonks him with large club* was his usual "Lynch me!" self, which is always amusing, and the wolves played a good game too for the win. Kudos to the villagers as well for lynching two of them.

[Valier]

Great game everyone!...So Malka was the wolf. Cudos You deserved to win.I was sooooo shocked when I died I had to read it twice!

[malkatoj]

Yeah, I really did try to post as much as possible, as long as there was something to say--posting seemed pretty limted in general, so if I got on a computer for an hour there wasn't usually a need to make more than one post, simply because people didn't do too much. Not just trying to hide my wolfishness!

I'd like to be a villager sometime, though--I've been both wolf and mod for WWJ and now a wolf here. Though I did notice that both times I was a wolf, we killed Kath on my suggestion the first Night. I should probably stop doing that. (Kath--it's because you're smart and logical and will kills us, I promise.)

So I've learned not to play Werewolf during finals week. I should keep this in mind forever.

[Garin]

Gurthang, I wanted you dead on the first night but my veteran friend talked me out of it and said I could get you lynched on your final statement of the first night. This should be seen as a compliment, for I saw you as a reasonable, actually dangerous threat. But werewolves won! I loved playing with you guys and Malk you are a stud/ess! I wish you weren't in highschool/England.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Garin:
My big problem was that I lacked confidence and took all my advice from a non-participating veteran.

Gurthang, I wanted you dead on the first night but my veteran friend talked me out of it.

Er, this "veteran friend" of yours isn't a member on the 'Downs is he/she?

[Garin]

Er, this "veteran friend" of yours isn't a member on the 'Downs is he/she?
Yes he or she is and I hope to face him or her in the next game... I'll go to the thread and announce my intentions.
s.

[The Only Real Estel]

Ah, well, not to be a wet-blanket or anything (& it could be that I missed some sort of explanation earlier) but, is that entirely legal? :confused:

Not that I care but I was under the impression that there wasn't to be communication about the game (or at least not roles) with any other BDers.

Like I said, I don't much care, just wondering if I'm way off here or...

-Estel-

[Garin]

He/she was not active in the game and referred me to the site. They were not active in the game and basically got my *** lynched. Sorry for being honest. It seems people know people on this site, I never PMd out of turn and even told the Mod that some people thought they could, hence that early warning. Someone turned me onto the site and I went to him/her for advice because him/her was not involved. Besides the advice of him/her sucked and I am now my own man. That should **** him/her off.

[The Only Real Estel]

I see. I'm pretty sure it was one of the firstermost rules so it might be buried by now...not to surprised you didn't look it up.

Anyways, I was just curious, it's by no means up to me whether you're fine or not so I think I'll butt back out of this. :D

-Estel-

[Farael]

Aye, someone forgot to sign his/her rep!!

You failed nothing and it was a pleasure playing with you.

Thanks whoever that may be... but let me know who you are!

[malkatoj]

Garin, just in highschool, not in England--I'm from Massachusetts. It's fun!

[Garin]

Garin, just in highschool, not in England--I'm from Massachusetts. It's fun!
So New England. The HS is all I need to hear. I'm not prepared for the jail house.
To The Only Real Estel I know I broke no rules I was just asking a friend for advice. I am against cheating and it is all too obvious that the advice failed, I won't turn to him/her again in the next match. As much as I wanted to I never cheated.
Farael Was from me, good play!

[Gurthang]

Well, thank you, Garin, for the compliment, although I'm glad to see that you didn't get me lynched that second day.

I must say that I'm rather concerned about your asking for advice from outside the game. I know that the him/her(I'm pretty sure this him/her is morm, as that's who referred you to the Barrowdowns, if I recall correctly.) wasn't in the game, but it still seems unfair that you used outside help. I don't know that it's actually against the rules, but, in my mind at least, it violates the spirit of the game. That being that each has to rely on himself to figure stuff out, except the wolves, who want to be a team and get nobody to figure anything out. Asking someone for advice just seems to take that 'alone', or for werewolves: 'alone with two', element out of the game.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd advise against asking 'outsiders' (outside the game) for help.

[Cailín]

If you had all just listened to me... :rolleyes:

Oh well, wonderful game everyone. I had a great time playing. And Formendacil - your modding was absolutely brilliant. I was so sure we were going to win, but then Naria had to leave. Congrats, Malkatoj, I suppose. ;)

Edit: I was going to rep you all, but it seems I've been too generous as of late. Uh yeah - but it's coming still. I hope. If I don't forget.

[Formendacil]

My big problem was that I lacked confidence and took all my advice from a non-participating veteran. I'm still finding my Downs identity I suppose.
He talked me into Kath and the minute I posted my vote I KNEW she was the cobbler. It was too late however.

Yes, he's a bit of a nosy one, isn't he... Always trying to control things, act in a leaderly way... try and get a group effort going...

Nice to see that he didn't succeed this time.

(And yes, I know of whom you speak. You mentioned him in one of your first posts.)

Farael: Terribly sorry about the lack of a death... Two weeks of having to post death scenes really wears you down. I'll see what I can do- but no promises.

And yes, I will be posting a Mod's Analysis... I just don't have time tonight/morning or for quite a while tomorrow.