Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVI: No man is an Island

[Formendacil]

Greetings 'Downers, and welcome to the 16th Werewolf Game played on this illustious forum. I am your Moderator, and I hope you will enjoy your viewing and playing. In a moment, I shall post the rules to this thread, but I wish to announce for the player's benefit, that I have decided to take the cautious later start. We shall therefore be starting at 5:00 pm EST (10:00 pm GMT) on Monday, January 9th, with Day 1 of the game. Night 1, when I receive the Seer's first pick, and shall myself die, shall take place from when I send you your roles until the beginning of Day 1.

Until the start of the game, you may use this thread for any queries you may have concerning the game. I have changed the definition of the Seer for this game, changed the day-by-day restrictions concerning the Ranger, and I have created a new character for the Village side.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

ROLES:

Werewolf- There are three Werewolves in this village. Their goal is to reduce the population of the village until it is even with the number of wolves left in the village.

Seer- There is one Seer, and his goal is to help find Wolves with his nightly dreams.

Ranger- There is one Ranger, and his job is to protect the Villagers from the Werewolves at night.

Hunter- There is one Hunter, and his duty is to take a Wolf with him to the grave when he meets his fate.

Apprentice- There is one apprentice, and his duty is to replace the first Seer, Ranger, or Hunter to die.

Cursed Villager- There is one Cursed Villager, but he does not know he is cursed, and so behaves like an Innocent Villager, unless the Wolves choose to kill him during the night, in which case he joins the Wolf team.

Cobbler- There is one Cobbler. The Cobbler is actually one of the enemy, sent to distract and confuse the Villagers while the Wolves hunt or try to remain hidden.

Innocent Villager- There are 10 Innocent Villagers, and their job is to lynch Werewolves during the day.

RULES FOR ROLES

Werewolf- Each night the Werewolves must select someone to kill and PM the name to me, the Moderator. When someone is killed, his death and role are announced to the village the next morning (except for the Cursed Villager, if he is "killed" he becomes a Wolf and so no one dies that night). The Wolves can PM amongst themselves during the Night cycles, to discuss strategy.

Seer- Each Night the Seer must select a dead villager to dream about- and PM the name to me. The Moderator, me, then PMs the dead villager he has chosen, to ask that person to reveal what they know or guess about the role of whoever the Seer chose. The person being PMed must tell the truth, insofar as they know it. If they do not, they must clearly use the word “guess” in their reply. The reply of the person PMed will be sent back to me, and I will send it to the Seer. The Seer cannot pick the same person two nights in a row, and may only pick the Moderator on the first and second nights: the one when he is the only one dead, and the one when it is him (me) and one other.

Ranger- Each night the Ranger must select someone to protect from the Wolves and PM the name to me. If he picks the same person that the Wolves pick for their kill, that person survives the night. If he protects the Cursed, the Cursed cannot be turned into a Wolf that night. The Ranger cannot protect himself, and he may only protect the same person two nights in a row- no more.

Hunter- The Hunter can, at any time, PM me with the name of a person he believes to be a Wolf. The Hunter can change his pick at any time. If the Hunter is lynched during the day or killed at night, the most recent person he PMed to me will die with him. The Hunter can never choose to kill no one.

Apprentice- The Apprentice is an ordinary villager until the death of one of the three Gifteds: Seer, Ranger, Hunter. When one of these dies, the Apprentice will replace that person, and assume the role they had, be it Seer, Ranger, or Hunter. If more than one Gifted should die at the same time, the Apprentice may choose, via PM to me, which role he would like to assume.

Cursed Villager- The Cursed Villager is exactly like an Innocent Villager, except if the Wolves target him at night he doesn't die, but instead joins the Werewolf team, and becomes a fully functional Werewolf.

Cobbler- The Cobbler appears as an Innocent Villager to the Seer, and has all the same powers or lack thereof, of any of the Villagers. His goal is to assist the Werewolf team.

VOTING RULES

During the day, every member of the village must form theories about who is a wolf based on accusations, defenses, voting record, and seer hints and then vote to lynch someone.

At the end of the day, whoever has the most votes against him is lynched, and his identity is made known (unless he is the Cursed Villager- the Cursed will appear to be an Innocent Villager, unless of course he has been turned into a Wolf).

Votes are cast like this-
++ Formendacil

If cast otherwise, I cannot guarantee that I shall see them, and be able to count them.

Votes cannot be taken back.

In the event of a tie, the first person to achieve the winning number of votes will be executed.

Each day, I expect EVERYONE to VOTE, and also to POST.
Failure to post at least once a day could result in death, depending on the mood of me, the Moderator.

Failure to Vote for two days running will result in death, regardless of the Moderator’s mood.

ABOUT THE NARRATION

Since I am the moderator, I will be narrating the results of each Night and Day. My narration DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING!! In my little stories, villagers will be named and they will say and do things, but what they say and do is NOT meant to be used as EVIDENCE!! It is purely entertainment.

Also, during the course of this game, I would appreciate it if you would all acknowledge the fact that I am a working bum, though I have more free time than most, and so I will not be able to respond IMMEDIATELY to all queries.

Also be aware that, because of the different nature of the Seer’s Role, you are expected, dead or alive, to be available until the end of the game. If this is not possible, you should perhaps consider pulling out. If something comes up, PM me and I will be lenient- and fill in on your behalf (but Seer, do not expect the truth out of me). For this reason the Seer is to PM me with his nightly request of the players.

I am looking forward to a well-played game. You will all receive your roles Friday or Saturday.

The players-

Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town
Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia - Town Drunk
Farael - Worm Hunter
TGWBS - Hat Maker
Garin - Horse Loaner
Kath - Gongfarmer
Rune - Misplaced Hobbit Peace Activist
Valier - Brewmaster
Gil-Galad - Shrubber
Alcarillo - Moneylender
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person
Gurthang - Rancher
Amanaduial - Northman Forest and Mountain Guide
Naria - Store Proprietor
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper
Malkatoj - Professor of Philosophy

If I don't get an occupation from you by the time I begin sending out PMs, I will assign you one.

If you have already stated your preference, then don't worry, I will put it next to your name later.

Wolves, Seer, Ranger, and Hunter- I want your nightly picks ONE HOUR BEFORE THE DEADLINE AT THE LATEST. That means I need them by 4:00 PM EST. If your pick is late, I can promise you nothing save what whim dictates.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

EDIT: The Apprentice will not know who he is until the death of the First Gifted. If the Apprentice dies before any of the Gifteds, his role will be revealed to the village at that time.

[Gurthang]

Until the start of the game, you may use this thread for any queries you may have concerning the game.

I shall do just that.

First, about the Seer. Is the Seer dreaming of a dead villager? Or does the Seer 'dream' of a dead villager who then tells him about a live villager? Or tells of all the live villagers? Or just gives his best guess about all of them?

I'm pretty confused about that...

Also, when the Apprentice becomes a gifted, is he told everything the gifted did? For instance, Seer's past dreams or Ranger's picks, which could be very useful if the Ranger had been successful.

Finally, if the Ranger protects someone two nights in a row, does that mean that he cannot protect them again? Does he have to wait one night to protect again, or two? Does this mean he could protect one person two thirds of the entire game? (two nights on, one off, two on, one off, etc.)

And finally, if the Apprentice is voted to lynch, does someone yell "You're Fired!". :rolleyes: :D

[Garin]

For the record I have sent a PM to our moderator re: the seer. I am unclear as to what the seer is supposed to accomplish by asking advice from someone who was unlucky enough to get killed. This seems to diminish the importance of the seer. Chances are I am am misunderstanding the whole thing. Formendacil you need not pm me if you can address the matter on this thread.

[Formendacil]

Okay, allow me to clarify the new role of the Seer, as it will be used in this game.

Normally, when the Seer dreams, the Seer gets a vision from the Moderator, correct? They ask the Moderator about the true nature of any villager and get a true answer.

However, in this game, when the Seer dreams, they will still send a Private Message to the Moderator, and they will still ask about the true nature of ANY villager they want, but the person they are asking will only have their own, pre-death information to go on.

During Night 1, before Day 1, the Seer can only ask the Moderator about someone, because the Moderator is the only person dead. Obviously, unless they ask about the Cobbler or Cursed, they will get a true answer.

During Night 2, the Seer may again ask the Moderator about someone, if they wish, or, alternatively, they may ask the person lynched on Day 1 what they know/guess about so-and-so. The Seer, if he's wise, will probably pick the Moderator to ask, since this is the last time he can do so... but supposing that a Wolf is lynched on Day 1? Well, the Seer could ask the dead wolf about... SPM (not that he's playing). If SPM is a wolf, the dead wolf has to reveal it. If SPM is not a Wolf, the dead wolf has to say that "I do not know. I guess him to be a _______."

Now, obviously this weakens the Seer's role to a certain extent. Which is why I am allowing the Ranger to guard the same person for two nights in a row: to reset the balance of power.

Similarly, the Apprentice was a role I thought up to allow me to use both the Cobbler and the Cursed. Regarding this question:

Also, when the Apprentice becomes a gifted, is he told everything the gifted did? For instance, Seer's past dreams or Ranger's picks, which could be very useful if the Ranger had been successful.

The Apprentice is not informed.

True, this does mean that the Apprentice is not able to access the dead Gifted's choices, so the usual fear of dying without revealing what you know is there, but it also means that the new Ranger, for example, could go on guarding the same person that the old Ranger had been guarding. In theory, you could get the same person guarded 4 nights in a row.

Additionally, the new Seer, if that was the Role the apprentice inherits, could contact the Moderator in his dream, allowing for a potential maximum of three nights on which the Seers could contact the Moderator.

Finally, if the Ranger protects someone two nights in a row, does that mean that he cannot protect them again? Does he have to wait one night to protect again, or two? Does this mean he could protect one person two thirds of the entire game? (two nights on, one off, two on, one off, etc.)

Correct. If the Ranger takes a night off and guards someone else, they may go back to the person they were previously guarding.

NOTE: An edit is being made to the original rules post with information not contained here.

[Garin]

Thank you Form, I did neglect to tell you that the apprentice is a great idea.

[Formendacil]

Thank you Form, I did neglect to tell you that the apprentice is a great idea.

Why, thank you!

I did think it was rather inventive...

[Kuruharan]

Hmm...interesting variation.

Is the Seer allowed to only ask one question in the form of "What do you know about so-and-so?" If not, I'd immediately go to the first dead wolf and demand the names of its compatriots.

I just want to make sure I am clear on this. You know how some ruthless souls immediately start looking for loopholes with the express purpose of exploiting them mercilessly.

[Cailín]

Interesting new necromancy-like addition, Formendacil. I am quite curious to see how it shall work in practice. Just to double-check: so it is impossible for a dead person, whether he be good or evil during his life, to lie about the true identity or what he believes to be the true identity of the person the Seer asks him about?

Also, I really like the idea of the apprentice!

[Formendacil]

Hmm...interesting variation.

Is the Seer allowed to only ask one question in the form of "What do you know about so-and-so?" If not, I'd immediately go to the first dead wolf and demand the names of its compatriots.

I just want to make sure I am clear on this. You know how some ruthless souls immediately start looking for loopholes with the express purpose of exploiting them mercilessly.

This is why both the questioning Seer and the answering Dead Guy have to hand their questions/answers to me, and not to the person in question. That is also why the game manager is titled "Moderator".

However, in answer to the question, yes they do have to ask "What do you know about so-and-so?"

Interesting new necromancy-like addition, Formendacil. I am quite curious to see how it shall work in practice. Just to double-check: so it is impossible for a dead person, whether he be good or evil during his life, to lie about the true identity or what he believes to be the true identity of the person the Seer asks him about?

Also, I really like the idea of the apprentice!

They cannot lie. If they don't actually KNOW, then they can dissemble to a certain extent, (very useful for a dead Cobbler), but they cannot lie. Again, this is why the questions and answers are being handled through me: to prevent cheating.

And, as a notice to people playing who might be tempted into dissembling too far, or lying outright, I, as Moderator, reserve the right to edit your replies as I see fit should you die.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[malkatoj]

The Seer, if he's wise, will probably pick the Moderator to ask, since this is the last time he can do so.

So, for clarification, why is this the last chance to ask the moderator? If he's dead, then it doesn't make sense (to me, right now) to not be able to ask him, but if the seer is still able to ask the mod then it makes no sense to ask another player since he would get more accurate/definite information from the mod.

[Formendacil]

So, for clarification, why is this the last chance to ask the moderator? If he's dead, then it doesn't make sense (to me, right now) to not be able to ask him, but if the seer is still able to ask the mod then it makes no sense to ask another player since he would get more accurate/definite information from the mod.

The reason that the Seer can only ask the Moderator on the first two nights is that otherwise the Seer would (if he had half a set of smarts) ONLY ask the Moderator, and the whole point of my changing the Seer's roles is to change that very part. The reason that the Seer can even ask the Moderator at all on the first two nights is because on Night 1, there's no one else, and on Night 2, there's only one alternative, so I wanted to give them some choice.

[Kuruharan]

But you can only ask about one at a time?

[Formendacil]

But you can only ask about one at a time?

They can ask.

But I'm only going to pass one question on, and it'll be the question that I see fit to ask, not necessarily the one they want answered the most.

[Valier]

If the Werwolves pick the person who is being guarded that night to kill,does the Mod(You) let them know via pm?Or is it publicaly known who is being guarded? :confused:

[Gurthang]

You know how some ruthless souls immediately start looking for loopholes with the express purpose of exploiting them mercilessly.

And why shouldn't we. ;)

I trust our mod will close any loopholes as they come into play.

Some interesting changes, Formendacil. I do have one further question. Other than the Moderator, which is limited to two times, can the Seer ask any one person infinite times (about different people, of course). Meaning, once a wolf is known, can the Seer ask him every night if 'so and so' is a wolf?

[Kuruharan]

And why shouldn't we.

We should. I play to the uttermost limit of the rules. That is why I want everything spelled out clearly beforehand, so that I will know what I can and can't do, and I try to do everything I can do (or at least everything that seems profitable.)

[Lhunardawen]

All I can say is, this is going to be a lot of work on your part, Moderadacil.

Oh, and another thing: In the event of a tie, the Werewolves have the option to PM me, the Moderator, and request which of the tied candidates they want killed. The Werewolves may PM me before the end of the day, if a tied vote looks likely, or they may opt to not select the kill. If the kill is not selected, both candidates die.I think this would sway the Day lynchings in favor of the werewolves too much. If some wise (so to speak) villagers managed to latch onto an actual werewolf, all the werewolves have to do is to try to convince the naive (again, so to speak) villagers to do a double-lynch with an innocent villager, and their fellow wolf would be spared from the lynch.

[Formendacil]

If the Werwolves pick the person who is being guarded that night to kill,does the Mod(You) let them know via pm?Or is it publicaly known who is being guarded? :confused:

As in all Werewolf games, the choice of the Ranger is secret. If the Werewolves attack that person, they will know they picked the Ranger's choice, since the victim won't die and won't become one of them.

The village will be told in the morning if the non-death was the Ranger's Pick or the Attacking of the Accursed.

I do have one further question. Other than the Moderator, which is limited to two times, can the Seer ask any one person infinite times (about different people, of course). Meaning, once a wolf is known, can the Seer ask him every night if 'so and so' is a wolf?

They may not. It is to be a new, different person every Night.

Thanks for asking, as I didn't clarify that.

I think this would sway the Day lynchings in favor of the werewolves too much. If some wise (so to speak) villagers managed to latch onto an actual werewolf, all the werewolves have to do is to try to convince the naive (again, so to speak) villagers to do a double-lynch with an innocent villager, and their fellow wolf would be spared from the lynch.

Maybe, maybe not...

Although I have participated in double-lynchings in Games that permitted them, and used them to my benefit, I am not a fan of them. In any game where the Moderator called for a vote, I have been in favour of No double-lynchings.

What's more, the way the village finds a Werewolf is through the voting records and night kills of the Werewolves- through the choices they make, in other words. The double-lynchings FORCE the Werewolves to make some high-profile decisions for the villagers to analyse.

And, having played with Morm many a time, I am of the opinion that it is the villagers who manipulate the other villagers into double lynchings, not the Werewolves.

I trust our mod will close any loopholes as they come into play.

He will.

In case no one has noticed yet, I subscribe to Mithalwen's and the Phantom's "Divine Right of the Moderators". Trespassers WILL be prosecuted.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

Okay people!

I have sent out your PMs containing your roles. Remember to keep them secret!

Now would also probably be a good time to set yourselves to Invisible Mode.

Werewolves, you may begin PMing anytime you desire.

The Seer may submit a name as soon as they wish.

As for the rest of you, hang in there... We'll get properly started soon enough.

Finally, concerning Azaelia and Kath: neither of you have submitted occupations- at least that I could see. If you did, let me know, but in the meantime Azaelia is the Town Drunk and Kath is the local Gongfarmer.

:p

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Kath]

Cool. What's a Gongfarmer?

[Eluchíl]

Cool. What's a Gongfarmer?
Someone who farms gongs.

[Kath]

Thanks :rolleyes: I must mention by the way that my participation will be somewhat limited the first day as that is when my exam is. I might only be able to make two posts that day but I will try to make them long and insightful!

[Formendacil]

Cool. What's a Gongfarmer?

"Look it up and you shall find out."

Be warned, it is not the... cleanest... of jobs. But somebody has to do it.

[Kath]

I suppose I'll be a clueless Gongfarmer then. Could be fun.

[Eluchíl]

I think it's a septic/toilet cleaner. Good luck with that.

Because I watch Dirty Jobs and empathize you can have a free pint at my inn. I would ask that you wipe your feet first. ;)

[Lhunardawen]

And, having played with Morm many a time, I am of the opinion that it is the villagers who manipulate the other villagers into double lynchings, not the Werewolves.Perhaps, but giving the werewolves the right to choose whoever they want lynched in the case of a double-lynch could encourage them to do so as many times as they want, as subtly as they can, and each time to their advantage.

Look, let's say you and I were set up for a double lynch. The werewolves can choose only one of us, and in this case they decided to have you lynched. The next Day, when they see that I'm yet alive, the villagers could all think that I'm actually a werewolf protected by my "fellow wolves" from the previous lynch. And with that in mind, they'll have me lynched that Day.

(I hope you got that.)

Anyways, my point is that I'd prefer that you just randomly select the lynched villager in that case; factor in the werewolves' decision to pursue the double-lynch if you wish, as long as they don't get to choose which one to lynch. Or, to make things simpler, just forbid double-lynching. :p

[Garin]

I have always opposed the idea of double lynchings unless there is werebear in the mix. It ends up killing innocent villagers and playing into the werewolves hands. I think we should try to avoid ties and come up with some sound reasoning for each lynching, after all, we are KILLING PEOPLE. The first day will be crazy as usual. I think the most silent will get bumped off. Will the Euros/Brits/ Students please identify themselves so as we don't get suspicious for no reason?
My most active hours will be at the beginning and near the end of each day, being 3 pm (1500) by my time. I can't wait to lend you horses, I have the finest stock.
Villagers win!
Garin :D

[Cailín]

Will the Euros/Brits/ Students please identify themselves so as we don't get suspicious for no reason?

Well, I fit both in the Euro and Student catagory. I'm not normally known for my silence, however. I should be able to post something at the start of each day on most days (which is 11PM for me - I am GMT+1), but I will be gone on Tuesdays (from 11PM till 5PM - pretty long), Wednesdays (from 10AM till 7:30PM) and Thursdays (10AM till 6PM). Of course, that does not necessarily mean I will be home and active during the rest of the hours - for I am quite a busy girl at the moment -, nor that I can never post during classes (because I have these remarkably fun classes in which all they want you to do is speak English, drink tea and use slang all the time). But especially on Tuesdays, do not expect too much from me. And between 11PM and 6AM I am usually asleep.

All times are GMT, by the way, for your convenience. ;)

Perhaps, but giving the werewolves the right to choose whoever they want lynched in the case of a double-lynch could encourage them to do so as many times as they want, as subtly as they can, and each time to their advantage.

I am not so sure, Lhuna, whether it would be all to the werewolves' advantage. Each time they would be giving a preference as to who they wish to see lynched and while doing that, they'd reveal much more about themselves than they might wish. However - I quite agree that the current arrangement might not be the best way to go about it. But it's all up to the moderator and who knows how it may work out?

[Garin]

Compliments of www.chiptin.com
Some earlier terms I've found of interest: the name for the medieval privy closet was garderobe. The individuals in those days who cleaned out the privies and cesspools were called gongfermors or gongfarmer (appeared in 1814) - a scavenger. Gong is a word (appeared in 1633) for the contents of a privy, the ordure (appeared in 1388) as the French called it. A gong-burl was the hole of a privy.

[Gil-Galad]

remind me again what day we are starting the bloodbath?

[Meneltarmacil]

I happen to be a student, and am living in the eastern US, so I'll probably be able to post only from 2:30 PM until around 10:00 PM my time (homework permitting), and possibly for a few minutes around 6:00-6:15 AM my time, depending on how quickly I get my morning routine time.

[Formendacil]

Like Garin, I am not a fan of double-lynchings, at all. My "Werewolves" pick was, and still is, viewed in my mind as much more of a double-bladed sword that Lhuna seems to view it... but I'll bow to the masses on this issue and simplify it somewhat.

Please refer to the original rules post for clarification.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

P.S. Just about 40 hours until Day 1 begins....

[Alcarillo]

I'm a student, on America's western coasts (that'd be GMT -8), so I can be on from 3 o'clock to about nine-thirty-ish or tenish on school nights (my time). On the weekends I can be online fairly at anytime.
I am not a fan of double-lynchings, at all. My "Werewolves" pick was, and still is, viewed in my mind as much more of a double-bladed sword that Lhuna seems to view it... but I'll bow to the masses on this issue and simplify it somewhat.
Am I the only person here who thinks double-lynchings are infinitely more entertaining to read than single-lynchings? O, the excitement, the risk, the horrible anticipation of two dead ordinaries . . . It is certainly one of the game's greatest periods of tension, second only to the final day.

[Lhunardawen]

Like Garin, I am not a fan of double-lynchings, at all. My "Werewolves" pick was, and still is, viewed in my mind as much more of a double-bladed sword that Lhuna seems to view it... but I'll bow to the masses on this issue and simplify it somewhat.Or to me. :p

I'm a university student on GMT+8 (weird time zone, yes), and I'm usually available only in the afternoon, around 3-5 local time. On Wednesdays and Sundays I could be around longer than that, but still in the afternoon. Saturdays will be more difficult since I have commitments that usually take the whole day, but I'll do my best to be around on those days. The phases start at six AM over here, so there's no way for me to be around early or late in the Day/Night. Expect relatively early votes from me, and feel free to scrutinize me though I can't answer you right away.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm supposed to tell you that the times I'll be active here is almost the same as Lhuna's, but you'll lynch me on the first DAY enedwaith.

Won't you?

[Amanaduial the archer]

Cobbler- The Cobbler appears as an Innocent Villager to the Seer, and has all the same powers or lack thereof, of any of the Villagers. His goal is to assist the Werewolf team. Woah, interesting new development (I think) - so there are now four 'bad guys'?! More than a fifth of our number? Gah! ;)

I'm supposed to tell you that the times I'll be active here is almost the same as Lhuna's, but you'll lynch me on the first DAY enedwaith.

Won't you? If...you say so, Nilp. *evil*

[Kath]

Well, I should be able to be online from about 4pm to the deadline except the first Day. I might get on between 9 and 4 sometimes depending on school timetabling.

[Farael]

Well, I'm a student too and I live at GMT -6 if I'm not mistaken, but I can't tell you guys exactly my times because I don't even know them. Don't expect me to post often before noon my time (6 PM GMT) on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays but I don't know when I will or will not be around. I'll try to let you know as the game goes on!

[Valier]

I believe my start time is 4 in the afternoon I'm central time.I am also attending university and should be able to post around that time,Thursdays I will post a little later on,depending on homework. :p

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Form, I did submit you an occupation (I forget what it was now, so it can't have been anything special) but I much prefer the drunk role. A chance to
have a little more fun :p

But I should warn everyone that I am a student, and as such, will be in school. On Tuesdays and Wednesdays, I have work until 6:00 so expect early (or, worst-case scenario, absent) votes or late appearances, whichever the case, should Day ever fall on one of those two weekdays.

Just thought I should let everyone know.

[Lhunardawen]

Lord mod, you forgot to edit in Zali's and Kath's occupations.

[Garin]

Thanks to everyone who submitted their expected schedules. Suspicion tends to go towards the quiet ones or the very vocal folks. Hopefully, I'll be fairly vocal but not annoyingly so. I think the non-participants are the most worthy of punishment and suspicion, so it's good to know in advance why some are absent or quiet.
good luck everyone.

[Formendacil]

Lord mod, you forgot to edit in Zali's and Kath's occupations.

No, I didn't...

I was simply giving them time to point out that they had, in fact, submitted occupations as of that time, which I had not seen.

I will, however, edit them in now.

Discussion of rules, times of availability, and all other non-playing of Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVI is herewith ended on this thread, and banished to the main Tol-in-Gaurhoth thread. The first post of the game proper will be posted quite soon. Please note that the game is not in session.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Formendacil]

“The might of Hyarmendacil no enemy dared to contest during the remainder of his long reign. He was king for one hundred and thirty-four years, the longest reign but one of all the Line of Anárion. In his days Gondor reached the summit of its power. The realm then extended north to Celebrant and the southern eaves of Mirkwood; west to the Greyflood; east to the inland Sea of Rhûn; south to the River Harnen, and thence along the coast to the peninsula and haven of Umbar.”
-Appendix A iv: Gondor and the Heirs of Anárion

“Stirred up, as was afterwards seen, by enemies of Sauron, [the Wainriders] made a sudden assault upon Gondor, and King Narmacil II was slain in battle with them beyond Anduin in 1856. The people of eastern and southern Rhovanion were enslaved; and the frontiers of Gondor were for that time withdrawn to Anduin and the Emyn Muil. (At this time it is thought that Ringwraiths re-entered Mordor.)”
-Appendix A iv: Gondor and the Heirs of Anárion

“1856 Gondor loses its eastern territories and Narmacil II falls in battle.”
-Appendix B: The Third Age

“Calimehtar, son of Narmacil II, helped by a revolt in Rhovanion, avenged his father wit a great victory over the Easterlings upon Dagorlad in 1899, and for a while peril was averted.”
- Appendix A iv: Gondor and the Heirs of Anárion

The year is 1900 of the Third Age. A weakened Gondor under King Calimehtar has withdrawn beyond the Anduin, leaving its territories in Rhovanion to fend for itself until a day when the realm would again be able to exert its rule across the plains. Such a day would be long in coming.

But indeed, there were few people left in Rhovanion who yet claimed the King in Minas Anor as their lord and sovereign. Only a few of the Dúnedain of the South had ever settled beyond the Anduin and north of the Ered Lithui, and only a few of the non-Dúnedain of Gondor had ever settled there with them.

The lands of Rhovanion had, since the days of Narmacil I, before the Kinslaying, been mostly populated by the Northmen, men of Edainic descent, akin at a great distance to the Gondorians, and trusted by them. And indeed, since the days of Narmacil I, Rhovanion had been mostly left to their cares, though some few Dúnedain remained hither and thither among the plains.

But the invasion of the Wainriders in 1856 spelled the end for the Gondorian pretensions of ruling Rhovanion, for they swept right through it, killing Gondorian and Northman alike, until they were halted at last before the Emyn Muil. Those loyal to Gondor that remained in Rhovanion fled, died, or were enslaved.

In 1899, King Calimehtar drove the Easterlings out of Rhovanion for a while. But those who had fled to Gondor or to the emerging Northman kingdom of Dale were unwilling to return to lands they had once dwelt in, where protection from invasion was scarce to be found, and it was only a few people who returned from hiding and a few brave souls that returned from Gondor that attempted to resettle Rhovanion.

Among those few villages to which people returned, one is remembered to history as Dol-in-Gaurhoth- the Hill of Werewolves. It was a small village indeed, no more than twenty villagers in the year 1900. Guarded by wooden palisade, it sat on a small hill nestled in the mountainous range of hills that guarded the southeastern side of the inland Sea of Rhûn.

As for why it was called Dol-in-Gaurhoth, well, that is the story that you are about to hear….

[Formendacil]

The villagers of Dol-in-Gaurhoth were a diverse lot. Hardy souls, all of them, or else would not have returned to Rhovanion after the defeat of the Easterlings, who already began to menace their dreams from the East.

Many of those who resettled what would someday come to be known as Dol-in-Gaurhoth were Dúnedain, or Gondorians of mixed descent. But let it not be said that one needed to be a Dúnadan to possess the courage that caused these men and women to brave the lawless land they returned to settle, for though their span of years might have, even then, been longer than those of other Men, courage cannot be measured by the conventions of Elves or Men, and only the One can truly know the heart that spurs a person to acts of bravery.

The names of those who resettled the village are long forgotten by most, but their names are not forgotten by the scholars- save one. Of Gondorian blood were: Formendacil, Meneltarmacil, Cailín, Farael, Valier, Gil-galad (named, it is said, after the Elvenking of yore), Alcarillo, Lhunardawen, Gurthang, Naria, Nilpaurion Felagund, and Eluchíl. Of Northman descent were Azaelia (said to be of Willowbottom), Garin, Kath, Amanaduial (an archer of some repute), Malkatoj, and Rune son of Bjarne (a very short Man indeed, and believed in times since to have actually been one of the Hobbits that dwelt along the Anduin with the Northmen forebears of the Rohirrim). There was even one of the Dwarven kin in the village, Kuruharan of the line of Durin. Only one name is lost to history, though one of his features is remembered still: the Guy Who Be Short.

These villagers lived in apparent peace and harmony in their early months together, but there was an evil menace in Middle-Earth, the same evil menace who had spurred the Wainriders against Gondor, and evil menace that would be revealed in later times to be Sauron, the once and future Dark Lord of Mordor, by whose cunning Númenor had sunk beneath the waves, the Lieutenant of Morgoth Bauglír.

Though possessed of great power and might, Sauron was possessed of more subtle skills and of a more vast arsenal of weapons than the brute force of the Wainriders, who hid east of Rhûn, licking the wounds King Calimehtar had inflicted on them. And indeed, three of the villagers in Dol-in-Gaurhoth were men under his influence- and a fourth was poised to become so also, and it is from them that the village takes its name “Hill of Werewolves”.

The use of Werewolves to undermine small numbers of his enemy goes back to the years when Sauron was still a servant of Morgoth, and many were the peoples and races they came from that had seen last before their death the fangs of those they had thought their friends. And, indeed, the poison of the Accursed who carried the evil unknowingly would ensure that the Werewolves would trouble the word until long after Sauron had fallen.

But at this point, the village was yet hopeful for their long-term prosperity, and none save the Werewolves know of the hidden menace that waited to prey on their village. Not until the very night when the first of them died….

[Formendacil]

*Break in the narration*

Okay, everybody, the game starts in about half an hour, as soon as I post the final piece of narration for the moment. I think everyone's up on the rules, but since we have quite a few rookie players, let's review a couple of rules regarding Private Messaging:

NO ONE is allowed to Private Message another player about the game, except for the Werewolves, and they are only alllowed to do so at Night.

Everybody should be in Invisible mode from now until the end of the game. This is to make sure that nobody can track what team you're on. When you are not invisible, people can see if you're Private Messaging, and they can deduce (rightly or wrongly) things from this fact.

These rules apply to dead players as well as live ones, due to the experimental new Seer that we're trying out.

Remember, all questions or "real life" announcements should be posted to the main Tol-in-Gaurhoth thread.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

P.S. 20 minutes to gametime.

[Formendacil]

Formendacil was an older man, of pure Dúnedainic descent. Born in Ithilien, he claimed among his mother’s ancestors the first Dúnedain to settle Rhovanion, and descended from men who had sailed on Isildur’s own ship from sunken Númenor. His father had been a purebred descendant of the Dúnedain of Cardolan, some of whom had fled past Tharbad to Gondor in years gone by.

Formendacil was a proud man, over-proud some said, although not without reason. He was of noble Dúnedainic lineage, well read, and had the long lifespan of his kin. As a young man he had enlisted in the armies of Arthedain and served his father’s kin in fighting the Shadow in Angmar, but as he grew older, and passed his sixtieth year, he returned to his homeland of Gondor. There, he saw service in Calimehtar’s army that avenged Gondor against the Wainriders, and in doing so he came to the broad land of Rhovanion that his mother’s kin had settled. Perhaps there was some familial connection to explain it, but he fell in love with the rolling and empty plains, and after being discharged from the King’s service, he was among those who eagerly set out to resettle the empty plains.

Not everyone in the village cared too much for Formendacil. Those of Northman descent found him rather distant. The Dúnedain, for the most part, didn’t warm up to him, but to say that anyone in the village hated him would have been to exaggerate.

He was, put simply, a loner. A hard, soldier’s life, a lack of a wife and family, and a general preference for the quiet had left him content to be alone among others. The wide, open loneliness of the plains suited him.

Of those in the village, Formendacil was perhaps closest to Lhunardawen and her brother Nilpaurion. Long-time inhabitants of Osgiliath, they had abandoned the dying urban centre of Gondor at the same time that he had. No one was quite sure how they were connected to Formendacil. Lhunardawen called him “brother” at times, but Nilpaurion tended to refer to him as friend, and no one could see a familial resemblance anyway.

But be that as it may, Formendacil spent more time with Lhunardawen and her brother than he did with any of the other villagers, and it was from their home that he was walking on that fateful night…

Formendacil had been enjoying a fine dinner at the home of siblings, finished with a delicious blueberry cheesecake before he set out, alone, for his own home.

The village, inhabited as it was by only twenty people, was spread widely across the top of the hill that would someday be remembered as Dol-in-Gaurhoth. With so few villagers, all were indoors after hours, and as Formendacil walked the lonely streets between Lhuna’s home and his own, he was the only soul to be seen or heard.

He had gone perhaps halfway across the village when a blood-chilling howl froze him in his tracks. Soon, the blood-chilling shriek was joined by another, and then another. Formendacil reached for his sword (all the villagers who had a weapon went about carrying them due to the nearness of the East). Those were the howling of wolves, he knew. But they were not the local wolves that sometimes came down from the north to trouble Gurthang’s herds. Nay, this howling reminded him a great deal more of the larger, and fiercer wolves that following the armies of Angmar and that had wreaked havoc on the people of Eriador.

Formendacil paused, listening, and realized that the howling was coming from three sides. Taking to flight, he clambered up the side of Valier’s silent brewery, drawing his sword again as soon as he reached the roof. From here, at least, he had a better vantage point.

But the first things that he saw were the glowing eyes of a massive Wolf, tracking him from the roof of the nearby store belonging to Naria. The Wolf was in a crouch, ready to pounce.

And pounce it did. Formendacil dove out of the way, on his feet in a moment, sword ready to strike. But even as he prepared to combat the wolf, he was taken from behind by another of the Wolves, who had hit him with an enormous leap from the roof of the Guy Who Be Short’s Hattery.

Once the third wolf joined the others on the roof of the brewery, it was all over. Formendacil died bravely, sword in hand, as befitted a soldier, but he was no match for the three ferocious beasts, although when his body was discovered the next morning, at the foot of the brewery, broken and mangled, the severed tail of a Werewolf was found next to him.

Minutes after Formendacil’s spirit was torn from his body, a shadowy image of him appeared in one of the homes of the village. The village Seer awoke, startled.

“Formendacil!” said the Seer. “Why have you died?”

Formendacil’s spirit raised a shadowy hand, and gestured at the village.

“Them?” asked the Seer.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When the village gathered around the dead body of Formendacil, discovered in its gruesome fullness the following morning, Nilpaurion was the first to step forward and identify what had happened.

“Wolves,” he said definitely. “Big ones.”

“And how do you know that?” said Garin, the horse loaner always a little sceptical of the wannabe carnivore’s ways.

“I just know these things,” said Nilpaurion. He was a bit of an odd character, eating only meat and generally acting suspicious.

“I don’t suppose that this would have given it away any?” said Lhuna, carefully holding up the severed tail of a wolf.

“Not just any wolves,” said Malkatoj, “these are Werewolves that killed Formendacil.”

“How can you tell?” asked Kuruharan, ever a sceptic.

“Because they left us a message,” said the professor. She gave Formendacil’s body a kick, and a piece of parchment was clearly visible where it shifted.

“What does it say?” demanded Azaelia. The Guy Who Be Short grabbed it, and read:

Greetings, Foolish Men of the West,

You have trespassed on the lands of the Wainriders for too long. Be gone ere the sun sets this night, or another shall be culled from your numbers, as this one was. What a fool this loner was! He should have remembered that no man is an island.

And it was signed:

The Werewolves in Your Midst

The villagers looked at each other, and the bravery that had caused them to come there in the first place caused them to being muttering and dark looks started to spread among them.

“Shall we be driven out by a pack of wild wolves?” Meneltarmacil demanded to know.

“We shall not!” said Naria, loudly.

“I’ll tell you what we’ll do,” said Gurthang, “we’ll hunt down these werewolves and lynch them!”

“Come on,” said short little Rune, “let’s not be so violent! No more war!”

“Be quiet,” said Amanaduial darkly, “or YOU’ll be the first one lynched.”

And so, as the brave, but foolish, villagers began to accuse each other with little or no reason, the first Day after the death of Formendacil began.

Day 1 had now begun. You may commence posting.

[Farael]

Poor old Formendacil may his soul find a proper resting place. He was brave even if I never got to know him half as well as he deserved. Gentlemen and ladies, let us find those wolves quickly and exterminate them mercilessly. My profession might have declined since the times we hunted those big worms - those other people call dragons - but I am not the only brave soul in this town. We can take them, by day or night if we stay together, but our best chance will be to find them now. I shall be looking at you, my friends, and I hope you forgive me if I ever suspect the wrong person.

[Cailín]

Alas, alas, such a tragedy for us poor noble souls. Have we not yet faced enough hardships? And poor Formendacil, such a valiant man. May we forever rightly spell his name.

So, it seems we have traitors in our midst! Let it then be known now, that whoever I find guilty of these crimes, will have reason to fear my wrath. Such brutalities will not go unanswered! *cough* but I fear there are more people than me who have a say in this. Though should they?

Like for example you, Meneltarmacil, surely know more about this. Always sneaking around, I mistrusted you from the very first time I tried to rob you.

And what about Rune? He is always prattling about these little things, Soddits or somewhat, I suspect him to be at least slightly… deranged.

But with Eluchil always being so overly polite, Malkatoj preaching about things no one can quite comprehend and naturally Kath – definitely something smelly about her - , I remain quite clueless as to who is responsible for these foul deeds, so let's all start pointing fingers, right?

I mean, heh, I am of course not accusing anyone. But a fool could see there is something fishy about the people I mentioned above.

[Garin]

Farewell old warrior. By the looks of his wounds, this is the work of the same beasts that mauled the finest colt in my stock two nights ago. Now that they have a taste for villagers my horses will be spared. Small consolation, if I have no one to rent them to. I sometimes tired of Formendacil's rehashing of war stories after too much of Valier's ale. Although he showed disdain for us Northmen, he will be missed. Not as much as my colt, however. Some of you are hiding a great evil and we will not let you succeed. I noticed Farael skulking about last night but I suppose the evenings are the best time for hunting worms. Also, don't think I didn't notice that Gurthang's stock was spared by these beasts. However, maybe he just is luckier than me. Stop looking at me with such suspicion Nilpaurion.

[Kuruharan]

Hmm...on the one hand, now would be a good time to sell weapons because everybody is going to want one. On the other hand, now would be a good time to sell liquor because everybody is going to want some and perhaps the wolves will become so drunk they will make a mistake.

GET 'EM WHILE THEY LAST!!! (prices doubled on everything.)

Be it known that I will badger the reticent. The more people talk, the more opportunities we have to pick up on werewolf clues (and hopefully give the werewolves more opportunities to make mistakes).

[Meneltarmacil]

Sneaking around, am I? Heh heh heh.... I certainly do seem to be the kind to attract suspicion, eh? Speaking of your robbery attempts, I hope the numerous booby traps I've set all over my house were enough to dissuade you from coming here again...heh heh heh...

One might think you're the one skulking about killing people off, Cailín, the way you've been stealing things...

Mwahahahaha... off to my strange things I do all day... heh heh.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Thanks but no thanks, Kuruharan. My money is better spent in the pub...

But it is a real shame about Formendacil...We can drink his funeral ale today. And tomorrow. And the next day...

DRINKS ON ME AT THE PUB!...I'll drink you werewolves under the table!!

ETA:Double-Posted with that suspicious guy... *looks at him with suspicion*

[Kath]

Well, well, werewolves. Will they get me out of doing this disgusting job? Only if I'm dead. I see. Then lets get rid of the things so there isn't any more of this muck to clear up.

There will of course only be vague musings as to who is a wolf today, as only a maximum of 4 people can possibly know. So, without further ado, let pointless namecalling, insulting and accusations commence!

I would go with my tried and trusted method of picking names systematically, but as there is no list in the mod gods most recent post and I can't be bothered to go find one, I suspect everyone!

[Garin]

So quick with the accusations Cailin but I suppose this is the best way to put the wheels of justice in motion. As of today, none of us really knows anyone else anymore, except of course, the canine demons know eachother. Let us look carefully at each claim and defense, for within 23 hours one of us will die by our hands. I shall take a long bow Kuruharan, I will be sleeping on on my roof because I still fear for the safety of horses, despite the lycan preference for the flesh of villagers. Perhaps I can put an arrow in some wolfish hide. Really Azaelia, how can you drink at a time such as this?

[Garin]

Here is the list. from the beginning of the game:
Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town
Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia - Town Drunk
Farael - Worm Hunter
TGWBS - Hat Maker
Garin - Horse Loaner
Kath - Gongfarmer
Rune - Misplaced Hobbit Peace Activist
Valier - Brewmaster
Gil-Galad - Shrubber
Alcarillo - Moneylender
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person
Gurthang - Rancher
Amanaduial - Northman Forest and Mountain Guide
Naria - Store Proprietor
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper
Malkatoj - Professor of Philosophy

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Really Azaelia, how can you drink at a time such as this?

I'm the town drunk, with pride. Drinking at any time is really quite easy when you put your mind to it, as long as you have the money. Besides, it's in dear Formen's memory.

(RL Azaelia says, though I, of course, have no real experience in this, and I can't stand even the smell of beer...Don't want you all to think I was breaking the law!)

But enough of this pretense. Don't suppose any of you werewolves want to just come forward and tell us...

*looks around hopefully*

Darn.

*ambles off in the direction of the pub*

[Valier]

What a shame! what a shame! Formendacil was a nice enough fellow, stopped into my Brewery from time to time he did.He will be missed (looking around suspisiously).

Drinks you say Azaelia? Your paying? So early? Wish to wash away a few sins, do you? (watching Azaelia wobble toward the bar ahead of everyone else)

Well unlike Kuruharanwho will likely double his prices,I will lower mine slightly for an hour.Let's all drink to the dearly departed

[Amanaduial the archer]

By the looks of his wounds, this is the work of the same beasts that mauled the finest colt in my stock two nights ago. Now that they have a taste for villagers my horses will be spared. Unlucky, Garin - for you and me both; I was supposed to be taking some green group of travellers South come the end of the week. Somehow I doubt that'll be on the cards anymore once they get whiff of this tale. Bloody wolves, demolishing trade left, right and centre...still, I see some people were 'surprisingly' unaffected, and it's amazing how some can even turn a disaster to their advantage - naming no names of course... None of your stock hit, Gurthang? Ooh, Kuruharan, interesting time for your prices to all suddenly rise at once...

Looks like I picked the wrong village to use as a base these past months. Still, it'll make an interesting story to tell en route with the next lot of travellers, I suppose...And I reckon one of my arrows could find a nice home in the side of a wolf if one of them does slip up; I could do with a nice new pelt for a saddle-rug...*fingers bow absentmindedly*

As Kath rightfully says, it's probably gonna be pointless name calling all the way today - I must admit, I know very few of you well, although most of you probably know me by sight if not by name: I've been passing through this village for nigh on three years by now. Not sure if that gives me firm enough grounding to suspect anyone... But to take Kath up- hang on a second, darlin', did you say four people can know? And, eh, well...how is that an 'innocent villager' should know so much about how many wolves there are, hmm? Seems a little suspicious that you already seem to know so much about the wolves, hmm? I mean, unless you're willing to share, if you know anything of the events of last night, please do share...? *narrows eyes*

"No man is an island", eh? *Studies the note* Ominous to say the least...

(There, a good three people senselessly accused in one post - not bad going ;))

[Kath]

Yes indeed Aman I did say four, for we have in our midst a Seer, who may already know the identity of one of the wolves here. Of course it is possible that he/she does not, and that is why I said a maximum of four.

Now I must away, those pits don't clean themselves and I need a good nights rest before I attempt them.

[Garin]

Indeed, Amanaduial, I expect travel will become infrequent in these parts until we make the hides of the demonic beasts into wintering hats with the help of TGWBS. Come to think of it his small flock of mangy sheep seem to have weathered wolf attacks as well.
Yes Kath? Four people? The way I see it the seer can only ask questions of the dead and we have our first victim just now. Correct me if I am wrong, this modification of the seer role has been confusing.

[malkatoj]

Formendacil? My, why this is quite an astonishing thing to happen! Though few of us spoke much with him, his life was worth as much of any of ours. Clearly we cannot waste our time much longer, for we are all at risk. Though the probabilities of wolf-ness is equal among everyone, there are some who seem to be hiding, and of those we must be weary. I speak of Farael, our beloved worm hunter: is it not possible that his endless speach about how the worms should be destroyed serves as a distraction for us, ensuring that we will not realize the matter of most importance here? We must kill wolves, not worms. And Eluchil, our mild-mannered innkeeper: acting so mild-mannered so as to avoid suspicion, hmm?

Alas, it is too early to know for sure and we must not vote simply because our fancy bids us. I will be looking closely for any fallacy in arguments or reasoning behind votes, so I hope you all will keep them reasonable and sensible.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Come to think of it his small flock of mangy sheep seem to have weathered wolf attacks as well. Ah, credit the wolves with some taste ;) No, I do apologise, that was bad taste; and besides, it has been a bad winter for us all. They went for horses, then for a full grown, if slightly more elderly, man - yet there are apparently only three of them. A scary prospect indeed...*nervously looks around*

[Meneltarmacil]

Heh heh heh...time for a little randomizing...

*rolls 20-sided die*

Hmmm... It's a 3. Looking at the list Garin posted, that would point to Azaelia. More than just a drunk, perhaps? Keep in mind this is just random though...

I'll be back... *more evil laughter*

EDIT: Cross-posted with Amanduial.

[malkatoj]

I'm not quite sure I would agree with this being a time for randomizing, Meneltarmacil. Indeed, we must be as careful as ever. Simply because the chances are equal does not mean that the die will be the same as the list.

(Did you really roll a 20-sided die? Sweet...)

:smokin:

[Eluchíl]

It was indeed a tragedy. My guests enjoyed the many stories he had to tell od the many years and exploits he had enjoyed. It is the sign of the times, I fear. My friend Cailin, you should know more than anyone that finger pointers often have the most to hide. Not that I'm accusing anyone myself. Although, I did seem to hear much ruccus near my inn that night. Chatter, it seemed like. With some clatter. But when I went to investigate, there was no one. Isn't that queer? Well, you'll never see me out after midnight. I have responsibilities to tend to, and what with evil afoot, I should focus on my customers and keep!

[Kuruharan]

Ooh, Kuruharan, interesting time for your prices to all suddenly rise at once

Laws of supply and demand good people. I’m the only source of high-quality dwarven manufactured (in Khazad-dûm of Iron Hills iron no less) weaponry in the village. There is a sudden need for such tools. I can charge what I like. The only problem is that I’m not sure I want to sell weapons to some of you. I suppose, at the very least, I can feel pretty safe in selling some nice suits of armor.

Well unlike Kuruharanwho will likely double his prices,I will lower mine slightly for an hour.

Better and better. You’ll run out of hooch right quick now. Then I’ll be able to triple prices. :D I’m not a famous world-renown merchant extraordinaire for nothing. ;)

for we have in our midst a Seer
-Kath

Awfully early to be probing around at this isn’t it…?

What, I say, what could she be about?

[Meneltarmacil]

Why, in fact I did roll a 20-sided die in real life, malkatoj. Actually, heh heh, I do not plan to vote for random people this early on. I just wanted to have an option we could fall back on in case nothing turned up later...

However, given that a certain Nilpaurion Felagund also resides in this village, I believe that he'll probably show up asking to be lynched before long....heh heh.

You probably won't be seeing much more of me for quite a few hours, but trust me, I'll be back before you know it...hehe...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Oh my what a terrible thing that has happend. . .

It is a tradic day indeed, but let us not talk of more killings it is not the way to go about this. I say we stop the accusations and sit down in a cirkle and talks this thru. I mean Werewolfs are people too. . .ehh maybe not, but they got feelings and surley they are just a bunch of mis-understood creatures who had a terribel childhood. Surley a little extra hair and fangs should not stand in the way of what could be a great friendship.

Kuruharan I am very pleased with your initiative to raise the prices on the weapons, otherwise we would allready have a bloodbath in the town. You are a peace lover like me no doubt.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

*looks around at the rest of the people in the pub, and listens with more than half an ear for the first time in her life*

*pushes mug of ale away*

For maybe the first time in my life, I think I want to stay sober today.

Well. How do you propose we get rid of these beasts, Rune? Because surely they will not simply disappear should we offer them a little kindness. Killed for our troubles, rather!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Why, in fact I did roll a 20-sided die in real life, malkatoj. Actually, heh heh, I do not plan to vote for random people this early on. I just wanted to have an option we could fall back on in case nothing turned up later...

Why did you do it then ? You could allways mention it latter, when you had found out if there was anything to go by.

Now Menel If you are a wolf just tell me, I can help you. Sure I am undistinguished, but I will make sure they dont kill you. We could proberbly arange a large cage in wich you could live and I would come each day and take you for a walk. . . How does that sound?

and Azaelia just because you don't like my methodes does not mean that you have the right to treat me like an inferior. I belive I told you how I would deal with these misunderstood creatures. If this fails I will of course need to rethink my stradegy, but for now I will stick with kindness.


(hey Azaelia did you edit your post? maybe I am just to tired because when I read it the second time, the last part was different from what I rememberd)

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

All right, no need for argument just now, I suppose. I certainly did not mean to treat you as a inferior.

(and I may have edited. I am a compulsive editor, and I have just remembered that this is something frowned upon in WW games, and possibly in general. My apologies, Rune. Next time, if it happens, I'll leave a note saying it, or just make a new post.)

[Farael]

...My friend Cailin, you should know more than anyone that finger pointers often have the most to hide. Not that I'm accusing anyone myself...

My, my, my... so you are not accusing anyone just mentioning that people who behave like Cailin have the most to hide, eh? Come on, if you want to point fingers go ahead that's what we'll all do before the day is over.

Now, here are my thoughts this early on the day about all of you. Please note the names are in no specific order

Meneltarmacil - What is the deal with this Meneltarmacil man? I know he's been odd since well before we knew about the wolves but who knows how long have those wanna-be big dogs been living among us? I would say that being always weird is the best way of hiding wolfishness

Cailin - In spite of my reply to Eluchil's words, I do think that Cailin pointed too many fingers too early on the day. Maybe it was the anger speaking or the desire to start some arguments going yet not even half of us had had time of saying a word before her rant.

Azaelia - She seems ready to forget about our dearly departed Formendacil and drink herself cheerful, even though we should be using our brains today, not impairing them. Yet I have heard some stories regarding her problems with drinking so I will let it go. For now.

TGWBS - It should be noted that he has not talked yet

Garin - Offered a few mild accusations at the beginning of this day and then mellowed down and said pretty much nothing on his other posts. Still, he looks pretty innocent, as someone who tried to spark some debate and then tried not to stick his neck too far off the line.

Kath - Said nothing besides admitting to be slightly lazy. No wonder how she landed such an awful job. Still, you can't say she has done anything too suspicious for the time being.

Rune - Maybe you would like to have a talk with the werewolves? go ahead, they are three of the twenty people present right now in this town. If you find them I'll even let you talk to them before the lynching. Yet if I were you, I would not talk to them after the sun sets.

Valier - Suspects Azaelia yet offers to lower the prices anyway. Is this a wolf trying to get us drunk and weak or just a well intentioned busineswoman?

Gil-Galad - Has not said anything yet...

Alcarillo - Not talked either

Lhunardawen - I dont think she has waken up yet... how could someone oversleep at times like this I do not know, but some blame things called "timezones". I'm not a doctor so I don't know what those are.

Gurthang - Not talked yet

Amanaduial - Makes three pointless accusations in one speech and then makes a comment about it. Is he trying to cover his bases and pretending to be just 'randomly' calling names while trying to raise suspicion against innocent people?

Naria - If she said something, I must have missed it

Nilpaurion Felagund - I think he has the timezones as well... someone ought to find a cure

Kuruharan -Really, do you NEED to raise the prices at times such as these? I was going to get something from you but now I'll stick to my good wormhunting knife and hopefully stick it on some wolvish throat.

Eluchil - Points a finger against fingerpointing and then says she's not 'accusing anyone'... come on, if you have something to say, SAY IT

Malkatoj - Says that the odds are equal for all of us to be a werewolf yet calls Meneltarmacil out on rolling a dice. Then goes off on a rant about my little comment on my profession yet does not quite accuse me, just warns everyone that he'll be on the look for false reasoning.

Having said all that, I do not who to suspect just yet... or rather, who not to suspect. I'll get back to you later as new thoughts come up.

Edit: for some reason I was missing half a sentence on what I said about Menel. My bad, I only added what was missing

[Farael]

Cross posted with Azaelia and Rune... it seems Azaelia wants to stay sober so I'll take back what I said before for the time being

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Each to their own, I guess. Myself, I know I won't sleep soundly until all the wolves are gone. Their note did certainly imply they were going to keep picking us off.

(I am also fairly worried because my schedule is such that I will not be able to get online until 6:15 Tuesday, which means I'll miss voting entirely, and I am now faced with voting early or skipping voting at all...*worries*)

[Meneltarmacil]

Looks like I'll be able to post a little more before having to go to sleep after all...

Anyway, Rune, I'm not a Wolf, I'm actually perfectly normal.

What? You don't think I'm perfectly normal? I don't *cackle* know what could *cackle* possibly give you that *cackle cackle OWWOOOOO* impression...

I'll wait on voting until later, see if any bandwagons develop and take note of who's on 'em.

Oh, and you might be able to catch a glimpse of me sneaking around about 6:00-6:15 AM my time doing, heh heh, the things I usually do around the village then...

I'll then be absent until 2:30 my time.

I'll see you later... heh heh...

[Naria]

Coming back after my early morning walk I noticed a crowd gathered by the pub and walked over too see what was going on. I let out a screech at whom I saw lying on the ground. **sniff** He was such a good man, not really noticed by too many, but he had come into my store on occasion and was very polite. He will be missed.

*Looking at the crowd of people* Hmmm, we best be putting our heads together before nightfall and find out who or what did this before one of us is next.

[Kuruharan]

You are a peace lover like me no doubt.

I certainly enjoy having my enemies in pieces, if that is what you mean. ;) :smokin:

Really, do you NEED to raise the prices at times such as these? I was going to get something from you but now I'll stick to my good wormhunting knife and hopefully stick it on some wolvish throat.

And when it utterly refuses to penetrate the wolvish skin (or fur for that matter) you will see the error of your ways.

I find Gurthang's silence in particular to be a little distressing. He normally has something that at least seems useful to say. However, at this point it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Just making a note for future reference.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

(I am going to have to vote soon, else I will miss it completely. It isn't my fault, blame my job. Hopefully this won't come up again.)

So here's the list and what I think of everyone who has commented so far.
Meneltarmacil - He seems to be the most singularly suspicious of everyone, muttering and snorting, and OOO-ing, but I'm not sure what to think, it could be an act.
Cailin - hasn't posted enough for me to really get a handle on so far
Farael - know the most about her thoughts, but don't see anything too suspicious thre
TGWBS - silence
Garin - has posted a fair bit, but I still don't feel I know where he stands
Kath - hasn't posted enough yet either
Rune - I'm content to let his peace strategy rest for a while. You never know what might work.
Valier - Always had a soft spot for her ale... but she hasn't posted enough yet
Gil-Galad - nothing so far
Alcarillo - silent
Lhunardawen - silent
Gurthang - silent
Amanaduial - Has posted, but not enough to know
Naria - Just made a post, but not enough there yet
Nilpaurion Felagund - silent
Kuruharan - Don't really like how he's trying to capitalize on our unfortunate situation by raising his weapons prices, (Is he trying to keep them out of our hands?) but he hasn't come up enough to really know
Eluchil - Hasn't come up enough to know
Malkatoj - same as above.

So I'm in a tough spot here.

I agree with all who have said that today will be random name-calling for the most part. , but it doesn't make things any better to know that I will be making an essentially random vote soon. :p

EDIT: cross-posted with Kuru

[Valier]

All the accusations!! Personally, I distrust everyone as of late! for anyone notice that a few members of our lovely town have not shown up for the drink specials I am offering,For the death of Formendacil...of course.
Maybe their still sleeping...(late night?) I'm not accusing anyone outright quite yet but it makes me wonder that's all..

(So just to clarify this game day ends at the same time it started today?)

[Naria]

What is with the pushing of the liquor Valier? Want a few of us drunk do we? Hmmmm. Ya know, having most of the town drunk isn't gunna get us any closer to reaching a verdict.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

All the accusations!! Personally, I distrust everyone as of late! for anyone notice that a few members of our lovely town have not shown up for the drink specials I am offering,For the death of Formendacil...of course.
Maybe their still sleeping...(late night?) I'm not accusing anyone outright quite yet but it makes me wonder that's all..

(So just to clarify this game day ends at the same time it started today?)

(yes, the game ends at 5:00 PM EST tomorrow.)

Apologies for accusing anyone...I am in a tight situation here, and the time has come that I must vote. (I am EST so it's almost 11:00 PM here, and I have school tomorrow)

So for me, voting really will be pretty much random. Doubtless, it's randomosity (whee, I made a new word) and its earliness will cause suspicion and accusations to come raining down on me like, well, rain.

Here's my rationalization, inasmuch as any such thing exists. I don't want to vote for someone silent, so that leaves out Shorty, Gil, Alca, Lhuna, Gurthang, and Nilp. It just isn't fair to vote for someone who hasn't been around to draw suspicion. And it's only been about 6 hours since the game started. I'm willing to cut slack for those who haven't shown up yet, since it's so early on in the game, and the day.

As such, the only truly suspicious person (by profession, nothing more) today is Menel, so he'll get my vote today.

++Meneltarmacil

I'm sorry, it really honestly is nothing personal. You're just trying to attract suspicion, is all.

And should I return to find that I have been lynched, it's been real, everyone. 'Night, all.

ETA: Crossposted with Naria...And to say, apologies again for the early vote, and in advance for my absence after.

[Kuruharan]

We do need to spread the votes out some (especially on DAY ONE).

Just a little reminder.

[Gurthang]

Call me crazy (and I just might be, having herded for so long) but I've got an idea. Now, I know I'm not known for my brain, thinking things, but here's my plan:

If our Seer is of the lucky sort, he'll get the name of a lycan from our poor deceased Formendacil. That happening, I would suggest that the Seer should come out and name the wolf. Now, I know this means certain death for our current Seer, but since we have an Apprentice, we will still have a Seer with us, and we have for certain a wolf. Also, if he deem it good, the Ranger can protect the current Seer for a couple nights, so he won't even die for two more nights, at the least.

Now, I'd wait until the Seer can dream from Formendacil twice, just so we have two certain names, and I'd only have the Seer come forward if they find a wolf. It really doesn't set the village back that much (effectively, we lose our Apprentice) and we get one of the lycans in the first two days.

Now, you'll probably think that's a wolfish suggestion, but really, that doesn't make sense. Even being the rancher that I am, I'm not as stupid as that. But go ahead and talk about it anyway, conversation is good. I'd just like to stress that the Seer should not come forward unless they find a wolf from their two Formendacil dreams.

P.S. I haven't gotten to catch up yet, so I'll get back on any comments I find important.

[Garin]

Azaelia posted As such, the only truly suspicious person (by profession, nothing more) today is Menel, so he'll get my vote today......Crossposted with Naria...And to say, apologies again for the early vote, and in advance for my absence after.
Fear not Azaelia, I respect your integrity for not forsaking your duty as a villager to defend our safety. It is indeed a random vote and I have yet to decide, you have fulfilled your duty. If you were guilty I expect a more tactful move. However, I have yet to trust any of you and it is my family and my stock that I hold as important.
Garin - has posted a fair bit, but I still don't feel I know where he stands
Too early and so many not heard from, but accusations and rebuttals have revealed much character from our fellow villagers. I don't stand in accusation of anyone until all of our people are heard from. However, remain silent in the face of this crisis and I believe you ( the mute) should and will die. I respect that hours are hard and long on these foresaken plains. I have faith that we will know much more soon.
Farael posted: Garin - Offered a few mild accusations at the beginning of this day and then mellowed down and said pretty much nothing on his other posts. Still, he looks pretty innocent, as someone who tried to spark some debate and then tried not to stick his neck too far off the line.
You are quite observant Farael, one must stimulate debate but avoid being wolf bait the following evening. I respect your rebuttal and find myself to trust you a bit. Although, I admit to partaking in some sickening grog at the passing of a townsman- fare thee well Form . I hope you find a market for your worms in a town so devoid of fishmongers. Maybe with some spices from Southern Lands we can make them edible.
I will glower over the postings of all as i perch upon my roof and guard my spooked animals from more massacre.

[Alcarillo]

Well, I wake up to find that our dear friend has been killed. I shall miss the way he paid back the loans on time. :(

Well, my pet cat has unexpectedly managed to disorganize all of my money, so this might be my only post for today. I shall have to return back to my house to get things back in order.

Anyways, due to my tight schedule, I feel I shall have to make a random vote. Now, it's absolutely unfair to lynch somebody without givin' them an opportunity to defend himself, which means that I shall abstain from voting for Nilp, as tradition would call for. With the help of my pet cat, I have chosen

++Garin

to die. Nothin' against him, but I need to say sumin' an' cast a vote before I head back home. A random vote is as good as any this confusin' day.

*walks away, muttering about darned cats and how some coins are so hard to find*

[Garin]

Posted by Gurthang:
I would suggest that the Seer should come out and name the wolf. Now, I know this means certain death for our current Seer, but since we have an Apprentice.
Now what do you suggest of the apprentice, shall he come forth to the slaughter as well? Losing the seer so early would be a blunder since there are more gifteds an apprentice can replace. Let the wolves prey upon a random villager. We should not offer anyone upon a platter, just yet.
Your idea of the gifteds becoming so vocal remind me of an old friend, long dead. I say a true seer can let his knowledge be known without baring his neck for the fangs of the filthy wolves.
I'd hate to stand in accusation Gurthang but I am wary of your suggestion. May our village survive.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Garn! Where's a nice long piece of 'dentulflos' when you need one? I got some pieces of sheep shank stuck in my teeth!

Oh, so someone got his/her/its piece of fresh meat, too, eh? Poor Formendaga* . . . errr . . . Formendacil. But I think I know who killed you.

It's obvious: spawn, Holby, and Eomer are the Werewolves among us. They've been too silent, plus two of them have motives. What more can be said? What do you mean they're not playing???

Crikey. It's back to Plan A, then.

However, given that a certain Nilpaurion Felagund also resides in this village, I believe that he'll probably show up asking to be lynched before long....heh heh (Menel)
You know me too well, my friend.

Lynch me. I'm serious. Do it or else I shall be forced to do the unthinkable and vote for myself. You don't believe me? Fine!

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Let's see if you don't believe me the next time!
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* 'daga' is a familial term of teasing. To Lhuna and I, that is.

[Cailín]

Despite being in a bit of a hurry, since it is the start of my workday again and you know how much I love my job: a few more random accusations, heh, I mean observations.

Now this Garin person… Much of a talker, I have noticed, but not particularly saying much, if you get my meaning.

Some of you are hiding a great evil and we will not let you succeed.

If he could just identify the you and we, we’d get a lot further.

And Azaelia has quite a strange look in her eyes… so very aware of her surroundings. Oh, she is sober? Well, that would be a first.

My friend Cailin, you should know more than anyone that finger pointers often have the most to hide. Not that I'm accusing anyone myself. Although, I did seem to hear much ruccus near my inn that night. Chatter, it seemed like. With some clatter. But when I went to investigate, there was no one. Isn't that queer? Well, you'll never see me out after midnight. I have responsibilities to tend to, and what with evil afoot, I should focus on my customers and keep!

Well I never said I have nothing to hide – though no furry things, make no mistake, I prefer my secrets aahhh smooth, shiny, silverish – but I am talking too much. I will definitely say, though, I do not ‘chatter.’ You will find my conversation is always dignified, my friend.

and Azaelia just because you don't like my methodes does not mean that you have the right to treat me like an inferior. I belive I told you how I would deal with these misunderstood creatures. If this fails I will of course need to rethink my stradegy, but for now I will stick with kindness.

Alternative methods… Well we could always pretend to be kind and understanding and cut their heads off as soon as they step forth in our group sessions, I suppose.

What is with the pushing of the liquor Valier? Want a few of us drunk do we? Hmmmm.

I must say that is the most sensible idea I heard so far. Loosen those tongues a little, for most people are still far too much on guard for me to trust anyone.

As to Gurthang’s idea, I find it neither wolvish nor insensible and definitely worth considering, though the Seer should get the final say in things, as ever. The only other person who seems to be using his brains is Kuruharan – immediately tripling his already outrageous prices - , though I doubt we’ll love him more for it.

((I fear I am not really caught up with everything, but am forced to leave anyway.))

[Garin]

Nilpaurion it is foolish to offer yourself to the noose, unless it is a bluff. I play a strange new game from the west named Pokr that you bring to mind.
Et tu, Alcarillo. Please don't ask for my murder without an explanation beyond 'gotta go.' We need reasons, we still have several hours and I want a wolf to die. It helps to have a reason on this so random of days.
I am done for now and seek the solace of Azaelia who should now be trembling and sweating and vulnerable from the lack of drink

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nilpaurion it is foolish to offer yourself to the noose, unless it is a bluff. I play a strange new game from the west named Pokr that you bring to mind. (Garin)
I have been like this ever since my first incarnation, lo all those ages before. It is too late to change. Welcome to my game, Herr Garin. ;)

[Garin]

I have been like this ever since my first incarnation, lo all those ages before. It is too late to change. Welcome to my game, Herr Garin. (Nilpaurion)

Danke selbstmörderischer,
I hope we live to revel in the village's triumph over the lycans. You are probably too crazy to be guilty.
guten Nacht

[Naria]

**Looking out the window of the town hall** There are still three of us missing: TGWBS, Gil-Galad and Lhuna I think that we should wait to hear from them before anyone else decides to make an "early vote". Hopefully soon though, the day is getting on.

[Lhunardawen]

Alas that my delicious blueberry cheesecake is the last thing the dashing gentleman had ever eaten...sleep in peace, dear Formendacil.

My apologies, fellow villagers (and rotten lycans loitering around) for my late appearance, but yes, as Farael said, I do have timezones and it's such a malady. Too bad we don't have a doctor. Plus there have been a lot of orders for my famous forgetfulness potion-laden pizzas; no doubt this recent tragedy is to blame for that, but I certainly don't mind the inflow of cash.

That makes me miss Formendacil even more, for he mentored me in the arts of creating the perfect pizza...

But there's no time for me, indeed for all of us, to agonize over his death right now. What we all must do now is kill all these werewolves so our village could continue to survive.

However, it is apparent that on the first Day nothing substantial will be happening, and the events toDay normally make sense only after a few Days. There are not much real suspicions around either, for most are just based on the occupations. It will do us good to continue this kind of baseless finger-pointing, for in the Days to come they will reveal to us hopefully more than we thought they could. And also, we should keep our votes as scattered as possible, but not to the excess. Those who join large-scale bandwagons will surely be questioned the next Day, as well as those who vote for someone else when there already is a sufficient number of votees.

A rather confusing circumstance we are stuck in, is it not?

As for this Nilp guy, we have not much to lose if we lynch him. If he's a wolf, hooray for us. If he's a gifted, stupid of him for voting against himself. If he's an ordo, we have one less villager to worry about. Of course I would rather cast my vote against a known villain, but what do we all know right now? Except for the Seer (whoever they have dreamed of last Night), we're all completely clueless. (Oh, and of course, these dirty werewolves also know quite a lot of things.) Speaking of the Seer, I think it is best for them to stay hidden until whenever they deem the time is ripe, but it's their role and they'll do as they please.

I'll wait for some time and be back for my final words and a vote before returning to making pizzas, in honor of dear Formendacil. Pizza-making is a time-consuming task, you know.

[Gurthang]

I find Gurthang's silence in particular to be a little distressing. He normally has something that at least seems useful to say. However, at this point it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Just making a note for future reference.

Why thank you... I think. That seemed like a compliment... almost. ;)


Now what do you suggest of the apprentice, shall he come forth to the slaughter as well? Losing the seer so early would be a blunder since there are more gifteds an apprentice can replace. Let the wolves prey upon a random villager. We should not offer anyone upon a platter, just yet.
No, the Apprentice would take the Seer's place, but would remain silent (like a normal Seer). It'd be just as if we had only one Seer and no Apprentice, except we find a wolf for certain.


Your idea of the gifteds becoming so vocal remind me of an old friend, long dead. I say a true seer can let his knowledge be known without baring his neck for the fangs of the filthy wolves.
Well, leaving hints does us no good if the only ones to spot them are the wolves. That would leave the Seer open for attack since the Ranger wouldn't catch the hint. I'm not sure hinting is the best. I really prefer an all or nothing approach. Either tell us you're the Seer and give us all your dreams, or don't do anything that would even make the wolves have the slightest inclination that you are the Seer.

Yet on the other hand, a Seer would be wise to leave clues that can only be found once we know who they are. That way if they die without telling us anything, we can look back and know who they dreamed of.

That may have seemed a bit contradictory, but I don't see it so. Don't make any hints that can be seen prior to your death, but maybe leave ones that can be found after the fact. Or simply come out and say it all straight up.

The only other thing that caught my attention was Eluchil's post(#67). It seemed rather back and forth to me, but that's not really enough to build a case on.

Garin is speaking quite a bit. I hope he doesn't try to become a leader in this village. We have many with great courage and good minds, let's not get sidetracked behind one person, as sometimes happens. (Unless that person is the Seer.)

As far as me being quiet, well, I prefer the slow and steady approach. :D

[Eluchíl]

Eluchil - Points a finger against fingerpointing and then says she's not 'accusing anyone'... come on, if you have something to say, SAY IT

*talks as he's washing a few pitchers* For the record I'm quite male. But to the point, I wasn't pointing a finger, I was stating a maxim. I did say what I had to say, and I made my point. People who point fingers usually have something to hide. Period. Now, showing how other's are shady could be an attempt to throw people off your own trail. That is shady in of itself. Perhaps it's you that has an angle to work, eh? *rinses them off*

[Lhunardawen]

I guess it's my fault for letting myself be inflicted with this terrible timezones...

Very well. This is probably not the right thing to do - but really, who knows what is the right thing to do on the first Day? But since he proferred himself...

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

A reluctant bye-bye, all. Please try not to give the wolves too much entertainment.

[Eluchíl]

I guess it's my fault for letting myself be inflicted with this terrible timezones...

Very well. This is probably not the right thing to do - but really, who knows what is the right thing to do on the first Day? But since he proferred himself...

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

A reluctant bye-bye, all. Please try not to give the wolves too much entertainment.
Kind of quick on the trigger, aren't you? You didn't seem to think very hard on it. We are talking about men and women's lives here. Or maybe that doesn't mean anything to you...for some unknown reason...werewolf.


:D

[Meneltarmacil]

Mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha! Yes, I expected that, Nilp.

What is very interesting is Lhunardawen's vote for Nilp. Timezones or no timezones, *heh heh* whatever those are, that looks a little suspicious to me.

[Kath]

:D I see Nilp has made himself known. And it looks like we've heard from everyone except TGWBS now, I wonder where he's disappeared off too, resting from his eventful Night perhaps?

And 4 votes already:
Menel (Zali)
Garin (Alcarillo)
Nilp (Nilp and Lhuna)

And now master Kuru it appears I am not the only one 'probing' about the Seer, Gurthang has appeared with what I feel is quite a good idea. If the Seer knows about a wolf and has the chance to reveal it to us, without fear that the village would be left Seerless as the Apprentice can later take over and really without fear of death because the Ranger can protect two nights in a row it seems foolproof. But then, there is always some mightily clever person who gets round these foolproof plans, and if that person is a wolf then we have a problem.

The problem I'm having right now is that everyone looks innocent. I mean there are occupations and role related comments, but nothing that screams 'I'm a wolf!'. Even Nilp, who has offered himself up for lynching hasn't claimed to be a wolf, though with him that could be a suspicious move, so voting for him doesn't mean we're voting for a self-proclaimed wolf.

[Amanaduial the archer]

Everyone looks innocent? Oh, Kathkathkath...

Kind of quick on the trigger, aren't you? You didn't seem to think very hard on it. We are talking about men and women's lives here. Or maybe that doesn't mean anything to you...for some unknown reason...werewolf.

Indeed, Eluchil, it would probably be rather hard to come up with reasons against others if you were in fact the werewolf - suspicious, Lhunardwen.

Amanaduial - Makes three pointless accusations in one speech and then makes a comment about it. Is he trying to cover his bases and pretending to be just 'randomly' calling names while trying to raise suspicion against innocent people? Well, the opposite of Eluchil in the gender stakes but with the same confusion: I am quite firmly female, thanks ;) As for the comment - I hardly think my accusations were entirely pointless. And even if they were, how is it that you've settled so firmly on my guilt, Farael, yet go as far as to make excuses for Cailin's innocence?! Looks like there's some sort of alliance here, and as I'm not sure what exactly a worm hunter would have to offer a kleptomanic of Cailin's standards - I don't mean to appear rude, but I've heard worm hunting really has to be a passion rather than being in any way a financially-fuelled occupation - this does look a little odd. And it is a little peculiar that, as was mentioned earlier, you were seen skulking around at night; Do the worms really come out at night, Farael? If so, it really is, sorry, would be a rather convenient job for...a werewolf.

I refuse to vote for Nilpaurion, simply on the grounds that he told us to - maybe this is some sort of elaborate double bluff, but I somehow doubt it. Besides, I'm hoping Alice may make an appearance, and she always makes interesting reading. Who knows what hidden secrets can appear in an argument between one man and his subconcious...

Although I agree with Kuruharan on some of his points - such as that which he brought up about whether in fact it is safe at all to sell any armour to potential wolves! - I must admit I am having some trouble with the oppurtunism displayed by both himself and Valier. Take this for example...

Better and better. You’ll run out of hooch right quick now. Then I’ll be able to triple prices Ah! Could this be an open declaration of wanting to get rid of another villager in order to make more money? A cloaked threat, or just a little healthy competition? Viva la thatcherism, or run for the hills?

And when it utterly refuses to penetrate the wolvish skin (or fur for that matter) you will see the error of your ways You mean, Kuru, that....that you would consider it to be wrong or foolish to try to kill a wolf?!

Alright, that's it...

++KURUHARAN

(Mainly because I won't be able to make a post probably for the rest of the day, sorry...)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I hoped I should never say this, but I agree with Gurthang.

If the seer gets a wolf and we lock it in a cage, then we have a source that can tell the new seer who's who. If he does not tell then we risk him/her beeing killed by a mistake and that would leave us without a clue.

Before you get all crazy about it then remember that it is only if he/she gets a wolf in one of the first nights.

[Garin]

Garin is speaking quite a bit. I hope he doesn't try to become a leader in this village. We have many with great courage and good minds, let's not get sidetracked behind one person, as sometimes happens.
Gurthang, I know all too well that my inexperience precludes me from any leadership role. I have neither made any blatant accusations or put forth tactics as you have. I am simply taking advantage of the fact that I currently have time to enter into the village dialogue, for in the future I won't be so fortunate. Besides, look at the miniscule amount of posts I've actually made. I'm just trying to catch up.
Any true and honest leader will be wolf fodder before too long, so count me out. Just want to establish myself as an active member of the village.

[Gil-Galad]

Sorry guys, my brother was on the computer for 6 hours doing his University work, i had no chance to get on, but i'm here now


now what i find most suspicous is Nilp's post.... could be a double-bluff...not sure...but i find him most suspicous(sorry nilp) and therefore, i most vote now for i will not have another chance, so therefore i must vote


++Nilpaurion Felagund


and it will be a shame if i voted wrong...


also, this is very cobbler-esque, and if Nilp was the cobbler, i wouldn't be surprised if he ran out on the first night... cause Nilp was just crazy like that

[malkatoj]

As I'm a student and in school and probably won't be back in time to vote later today, I feel like I should get it out of the way now.


++NILPAURION FELAGUND

Simply because he's sticking his neck out more than anyone else. We have little to go on, knowing only one kill and that llama is the mod, so it doesn't tell us anything about the wolves. Based on that, Nilp is the only one who stands out at all. He may be innocent, just as likely as anyone else, but I've got a strange feeling about him.

[Cailín]

Lynch me. I'm serious. Do it or else I shall be forced to do the unthinkable and vote for myself. You don't believe me? Fine!

++Nilpaurion Felagund

How dreadfully selfish of you to start being all suicidal at a time like this! *sobs* Do you even care about the rest of us? Do you?!

Then again, this was not wholly unexpected. I’d advise everyone not to vote for Nilp, since his dead will tell us naught and by the by, he is just an attention-seeker, really. Moreover, we might be able to squeeze some sense out of one of his personalities before the end, so I vote for keeping him around for a little while longer.

**Looking out the window of the town hall** There are still three of us missing: TGWBS, Gil-Galad and Lhuna I think that we should wait to hear from them before anyone else decides to make an "early vote". Hopefully soon though, the day is getting on.

Why, TGWBS has been awfully and uncharacteristically quiet. No wonder his name was forgotten, I’d say. However, I doubt he is guilty, he probably merely forgot he had a place to be today.

Very well. This is probably not the right thing to do - but really, who knows what is the right thing to do on the first Day? But since he proferred himself...

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

As for this Nilp guy, we have not much to lose if we lynch him. If he's a wolf, hooray for us. If he's a gifted, stupid of him for voting against himself. If he's an ordo, we have one less villager to worry about.

If he turns out to be important though, I shall have to kill him again personally.

I agree Lhuna’s vote is rather easy, almost suspiciously easy. A vote for Nilp so early in the day would seem safe, since he has literally asked for it.

The problem I'm having right now is that everyone looks innocent. I mean there are occupations and role related comments, but nothing that screams 'I'm a wolf!'.

Why you just screamed it yourself, dear. Are you having trouble concealing your identity? Forced to let it out in a roundabout way?

As to Garin, who is trying to be so helpful and ‘establishing himself as an active member’, I find your behaviour quite suspicious. You claim you do not wish to assume the role of a leader, and yet your actions speak differently. I catch you trying to steer the discussion in a certain direction and you’re definitely not as idiotic as you’d wish us to believe. You cannot have all the good and none of the bad – those who wish to be active must also claim responsibility for what they say and actually your inexperience does not vouch for your innocence at all. As a loudmouth, you cannot stay out of shot. So be careful how much value you place on your own life. Better to die in service of the village than live and never find out anything at all. Though there are some less noble people who might disagree with me on that.

There are already votes for 4 people so early in the day – and no less than 6 people have voted!

Azaelia voted Menel – giving no other reason than that Menel is creepy, which we all can see and is fair no doubt.
Alcarillo voted Garin – with hardly a reason at all but probably based on the feeling I tried to describe above.
Nilpaurion and Lhuna both voted for Nilp.
Amanaduial voted for Kuruharan – without any other reason than Kuruharan being the most unsympathetic inhabitant of our little village. Still fair.
Gil-Galad also voted for Nilp.

Well, things are looking bad for our residential suicidal maniac. If I had to vote now, I'd prefer to cast my vote for Lhuna, who is basically the only one who really alarmed me as of yet. I’m not inclined to vote for any of the people who have gathered votes so far, but it is still early and who knows what may yet happen.

Edit: crossposted with Malkatoj

[Kuruharan]

Now that Gurthang has appeared, I feel a little bit better on that score.

And now master Kuru it appears I am not the only one 'probing' about the Seer, Gurthang has appeared with what I feel is quite a good idea.

Shockingly, I agree. I’d forgotten about the Apprentice (I should fix up a little scorecard for myself with the rules changes). If the Seer does find a wolf, they should reveal it. Unfortunately, the trick is guessing the correct individual to dream about.

Could this be an open declaration of wanting to get rid of another villager in order to make more money?

Silly. I want there to be as many villagers as possible. That equals more potential customers. More potential customers equals more potential money.

that you would consider it to be wrong or foolish to try to kill a wolf?!

No. I mean it would be both wrong and foolish to try to kill a werewolf with a worm-hunting knife (of non-dwarven manufacture).

I’m not sure I at all approve of this lynch Nilpaurion bandwagon that has suddenly blown up. I’m not sure killing him will tell anybody about anything (unless, of course, he does turn out to be a wolf). I probably will not be voting for him myself.

[Garin]

Posted by Gil:
also, this is very cobbler-esque, and if Nilp was the cobbler, i wouldn't be surprised if he ran out on the first night... cause Nilp was just crazy like that
If he is a cobbler he is not playing his role very well.
Posted by Cailin:
Then again, this was not wholly unexpected. I’d advise everyone not to vote for Nilp, since his dead will tell us naught and by the by, he is just an attention-seeker, really. Moreover, we might be able to squeeze some sense out of one of his personalities before the end, so I vote for keeping him around for a little while longer.
I tend to agree on this point.
You claim you do not wish to assume the role of a leader, and yet your actions speak differently. I catch you trying to steer the discussion in a certain direction and you’re definitely not as idiotic as you’d wish us to believe.
I stand by my previous statement. I can try to silence a bit but then that would be viewed as suspicious, wouldn't it? By being vocal, I'm literally sticking my neck out. That is why I have such disdain for the silent and am glad so many explain the reasons for being periodically absent.
As for the seer/apprentice situation I am beginning to be swayed towards the idea the more I think about it. So is that suspicious?
I doubt I will cast a retribution vote against Alcarillo. I hold no ill regard towards Cailin although some have already cast suspicion upon he/she in previous posts. I will save my vote for later. Again sticking my neck out. Because early votes can be dismissed as random while later votes can be seen as agenda driven.
Edit: Originally called Cailin a he but that seemed to remember him being a she. I wished they posted sex on public profiles. No, not that kind of sex.

[Farael]

Kind of quick on the trigger, aren't you? You didn't seem to think very hard on it. We are talking about men and women's lives here. Or maybe that doesn't mean anything to you...for some unknown reason...werewolf.


Why, aren't we a little jumpy... I would think it is the lack of experience in these deals talking but tonight I have nothing better to go on and I am afraid I must cast my vote early to make sure I get a vote casted.

The Nilp growing bandwagon is a bad idea. Even if the guy is really guilty I would let him live at least another night and keep an eye on him, as should he be innocent any votes against him will say very little. But it is up to you fellow villagers what you do with your votes. Right now, I chose to go with the one my gut tells me is most likely to be guilty. I may be wrong, but I don't think

++Eluchil

sounds quite alright.

I have to go now, and I may or may not be around later. We will see.... think hard and vote smart my friends.

[Cailín]

Farael - your vote is all well and good but how can you stop a bandwagon by simply adding new names to the already extended group of possible lynchees today? I mean - everyone should vote for the one he deems most suspicious, but it is hardly helpful to all vote for someone else, thus making it easy for wolves to vote wolf on wolf.

I stand by my previous statement. I can try to silence a bit but then that would be viewed as suspicious, wouldn't it? By being vocal, I'm literally sticking my neck out. That is why I have such disdain for the silent and am glad so many explain the reasons for being periodically absent.

I have no wish for you to silence a bit. I just wish to hear more pointed, instead of just general statements, which give you the appearance of being vocal without risking anything.

As for the seer/apprentice situation I am beginning to be swayed towards the idea the more I think about it. So is that suspicious?

No. I think we basically all agree it is a sensible idea. By killing a wolf we'd have a good, reliable replacement when the Seer can no longer appeal to dead Formendacil and with the Apprentice and the Ranger being able to guard the Seer two nights in a row, I think this way we shall make the most use of our Seer as is possible.

I doubt I will cast a retribution vote against Alcarillo. I hold no ill regard towards Cailin although some have already cast suspicion upon him in previous posts.

It's her, thank you very much. ((I wonder why people always assume I am male, when my name could not be more girlish...)). I am glad there are no ill feelings, for I merely meant to illustrate how suspicion might go towards you.

[Garin]

It's her, thank you very much.
Please see that I caught my mistake earlier and added an edit. My apologies.
:)

[Farael]

Well Cailin, I never said I was trying to stop the bandwagon, I only said I did not want to join it. And we have had only three people voted (besides Nilp) so I don't think the votes are too spread out just yet. Eluchil didn't sound quite right to me so I voted him. Feel free not to follow my instincts.

Having that said, I'd like to add another bit of a tidbit in favour of the seer coming forward if he gets a wolf on the first few nights. After we lynch the wolf, the seer should be able to ask him (or her) about someone, and therefore know at the very least, an innocent for sure. If we are lucky we'd get another wolf. And then, the ranger can protect our seer at least the night after we get the wolf... and another night if we get lucky and nail yet another wolf on the second night. But it all depends on the Seer finding a wolf in the first few nights. For the time being, we should try to help the seer by nailing a wolf by our own devices!

[the guy who be short]

I'm here!

Apologies for my lateness, villagefolk, I was unfortunately occupied with my books, and then out of the village to see the nearest toothtinkler.

Now, there are many villagers amongst us. Twenty in fact. And nineteen of us are guilty of something or other - only I have managed to live a life of pristine perfection and purity, pursuing the practice of hat-cobbling for the people. And no, that doesn't mean I'm the cobbler. Stop reading into things so much. Sheesh.

Fine, I'll be serious. One of us is dead, after all, Eru rest his soul.

I would like to declare myself openly hostile to all those those trying to kill Nilp. Nilp is Nilp. Is Nilp. Is suicidal. Got it?

Out of all those foolish enough to do so, I am most suspicious of Gil-Galad, for reasons obvious enough.

I would also like to declare my suspicions of Kath, we all know what a lying little sneak she is. ;)

[Naria]

My, my aren't we a little bold. It seems to be a bit abrupt to be away from the meeting for so long and come in with tail feathers all ruffled. Why are you so defensive for Nilp? I'm not accusing you of anything,but it seems to me like you are trying to keep us away from something you may know...hmmm like a wolf maybe.

That being said I will cast my vote:
++ Nilpaurion Felagund

It is a little more than suspicious to me for him to be jumping into the fire like he did.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It seems to me like we are about to give the wolves a great start. . .

Naria do you really think it is going to help us find them if we all vote for the same person for no other reason than him beeing him self. If Nilp turns out to be a wolf then it is great, but if he is not and (I dont think he is) It will be real hard to find a wolf.

I guess I will be voting either:

Naria
Malkatoj
Gíl-Galad

I have left Luhna out for now because she was the first to vote for Nilp (not counting him self)and because she tend to get annoyed by people acting like Nilp.

[Meneltarmacil]

Hee hee hee, I thought we might have a Nilpaurion Felagund bandwagon on our hands. And, ha ha, I was right! Now we finally have something to go on, as wolves often turn up in bandwagons.

Of Lhunardawen, Gil-Galad, malkatoj, and Naria, I'm pretty sure at least one of you is up to no good. I'm thinking that Lhuna or Gil-Galad is most likely to be the wolf here, as they probably should have recognized that Nilp was just being himself.

Of those two, Lhuna is probably going to get my vote due to the fact that Gil-Galad is just Gil-Galad, and is therefore likely to be somewhat unusual at times.

However, I'll wait for another hour or so before deciding.... *heh heh*

[Garin]

Posted by Farael
I shall be looking at you, my friends, and I hope you forgive me if I ever suspect the wrong person.
Forgive me but this could be translated as "If my voting pattern looks guilty please ignore it."

Posted by Gil-Gilad
and it will be a shame if i voted wrong...
It certainly will be. I question anyone who voted for Nilp because it is an easy vote, and might be an attempt to stay in the shadows with the excuse, "Well, he wanted to die." I doubt Nilp to be a wolf or a gifted. He better not be a gifted, at least.

I am up busy cleaning out the stables because Kath didn't show up to help with the manure, that being her specialty. I will be quiet up until a half hour before the deadline.

[Kath]

To all newbies, the thing about Nilp is that he frequently and consistently votes for himself whatever he is. His alter egos sometimes pop in to try and stop him but mostly he just gets himself lynched, it's a thing of his. However, unlike TGWBS who seems to believe him innocent and so suspects those who vote for him (possible alliance?) I am quite prepared to believe that he could be a wolf.

I said earlier that no one seemed to be screaming 'I'm a wolf' (nice pick up there Cailin but even I'm not that stupid), now here we have someone willing to be lynched. All we have to decide is whether it is some elaborate bluff. However, we won't know that until the fellow is dead.

Bandwagoning always leads to accusations the next day but hey, we've nothing better to go on yet. Unless the situation changes dramatically in the next few hours I will grant the insane man his wish and help to lynch him. If he is an innocent then so be it. We'll have rid the village of a certain source of confusion. If he is a wolf then fantastic! Let's hope they all do it.

However, I wouldn't hold anyone who has voted for Nilp in suspicion much, as most people are likely just confused and want to find out what's going on. Hmm, except maybe malkatoj - a funny feeling about him? Sounds like a half baked reason that's been pretty hastily cobbled together due to time contsraints.

As for other suspicions, that against Lhuna for her quick vote for Nilp seems a little odd. She has the same timezone difficulties as him so it is unsurprising, and it seems she only had time for one post ergo the early vote for the only person who has thus far given any cause to lynch him. So Cailin, any other reasons for suspecting the girl? Or was it a first day random accusation?

In fact Cailin has come to my attention a few times while reading through this thread. Very quick to accuse but is hanging back on a vote. Thing is that everything she says makes perfect sense and is exactly what I'm thinking (which is why it's driving me nuts and making me suspicious of her).

Oh well. We've had 9 votes now I think and only 5 of them are for Nilp. If people are serious about stopping this bandwagon (Farael) they might do well to decide on one other person to vote for, as they might just tip the balance. However I should say now that without some seriously good evidence against someone else, my vote will go to Nilp.

[Meneltarmacil]

hastily cobbled together
Heh heh heh. Something you're trying to say there, Kath?

[Kath]

That's it. From now on I use small words! Nowt more than one syl lab bull.

[Kuruharan]

I want to say that I'm finding some of Garin's behavior to be a little furry. He's just almost a little bit too eager but then attempts to diffuse speculation on him for this point.

Unless something really strange happens in the next little bit, I'm probably going to cast my vote for him (even though it probably won't amount to much more than a protest vote.)

DAY ONEs :rolleyes:

[Meneltarmacil]

Sorry, Kath. I guess we're all getting kind of paranoid here.

[Garin]

Posted by Kuruharan:
He's just almost a little bit too eager but then attempts to diffuse speculation on him for this point.
Please elaborate, I'm not sure what you mean. I really need to get to work so I promise, I must, be silent for the next hour.

[Valier]

Well..I'm a little confused about the Nilp situation :confused: I don't understand why he would want to kill himself!(well lynched I guess..)And why is tgwbs defending him so dilligently? Is this some friendship from other games or are they partners in crime?

As for Garin..He is a little too chatty, if you get me ,Always having to defend yourself is also a little suspisious.

As for Eluchil I thought you were a mild-Mannered Inn keeper? But you seem quick to disclaim finger pointers!What is everyone supposed to do, with horrid Werewolves lurking about!(Disperses some free booze,with a smile!) I hope Werewolves can't hold their liquor!

(Should we post an hour before the deadline who we want killed?Or do we have till that final hour?)

[Meneltarmacil]

Heh heh, we do in fact have until that final hour. Unless something happens in the next twenty minutes, however, I'll vote for Lhuna an hour early.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

There is a lot of you who really pussles me, but I dont have anything specific to point out. I guess It will have to wait until the day 2 and by that time I shal hopefully be a great deal wiser.

Now on to the voting, I have decidet that of the three I find Gil-Galad slightly more suspicious than the other two.

++Gil-Galad

[the guy who be short]

Behold! I return, at the turn of the tide!

Well, mainly to turn the tide, actually.

Now, I was going to focus my attack on either Kuru, Garin or Menel, the other candidates already named, so that they could be killed to save Nilp, even though I suspect none of them.

Fortunately, Rune's vote allowed me to choose more wisely:

++Gil-Galad

The only experienced Werewolver, other than Lhuna, to vote for Nilp.

[Meneltarmacil]

Creepy guy stuff aside for now, I was torn between Gil-Galad and Lhunardawen and I was going to vote for Lhuna; however, we have more of a chance of not killing off Nilp if we vote consistently for Gil-Galad. I know this will seem like bandwagoning, and to some extent it is, but as voting for Lhuna probably won't accomplish anything and she's probably going to articulate her thoughts better than Gil (no offense intended, Gil-Galad), I'm going to vote for

++Gil-Galad

[Cailín]

I'm not accusing you (TGWBS) of anything,but it seems to me like you are trying to keep us away from something you may know...hmmm like a wolf maybe.

Well, that would seem like an enormously stupid thing to do. Though nothing is impossible.

I said earlier that no one seemed to be screaming 'I'm a wolf' (nice pick up there Cailin but even I'm not that stupid),

Huhm, well, you never know. Imagine how stupid I'd feel if you turn out to be a wolf and I had not picked up on this.

So Cailin, any other reasons for suspecting the girl? Or was it a first day random accusation?

Pretty much, yes. I have not much to go on, actually, just as much as all other innocents and may therefore seem rather judgmental. Though I do believe that Nilp is just being himself and I would have preferred to have kept him around for a few more days, he might as well be guilty and I could accept Lhuna’s vote as mere irritation. However, I have a rather high regard for our Potion Pizza Maker and would have thought her vote to be a little more… helpful.

In fact Cailin has come to my attention a few times while reading through this thread. Very quick to accuse but is hanging back on a vote.

Simply because I have not yet seen real suspicious behaviour and I do not wish to jump on the first bandwagon that happens to roll by. Accusing people and pointing fingers is one of my major character flaws, but you must know my childhood was very traumatic.

A Not Very Helpful Review:

Meneltarmacil – Creepy, spiteful, mean and sneaky. Not much difference from before, in short. He is flying below my radar for the moment.
Cailin – Lovely, innocent, as ever.
Azaelia – Was quick to vote with little reasoning, but has not given me any cause to suspect her as of yet. Besides, reasoning is not really something you can do with no evidence at all.
Farael – Strangely enough defended me. Seems to agree with me about the Nilp issue. Voted for Eluchil, which I can sympathize with. Never trust good mannered people.
TGWBS – Well, his posts seem to be as short as himself. Seems to be queerly fond of Nilp.
Garin – One of the most discussed villagers, I think. I’m willing to give him another Day. I mistrust him, though.
Kath – Has all the appearance of an innocent. Of course, appearances deceive. And did I mention she was smelly?
Rune – He makes the most sense to me, as of now, as long as he does not mention Hobbits. I am inclined to believe him innocent.
Valier – Complains about silent people, but contributes little all the same.
Gil-Galad – What can I say about Gil? Do I suspect him? Well, of course.
Alcarillo – Has said little, voted with no reasoning and mysteriously vanished from the scene. I cannot say too much about him.
Lhunardawen – I expressed some sentiments above, but feel like it is of little use to vote for her.
Gurthang – The only one who has had a clever plan so far. Though who knows if he would have proposed it if he did not think the Seer would figure it out himself.
Amanaduial – I have no suspicions of Amanaduial as of yet.
Naria – Seems to be strongly opposed to liquor which makes me suspicious enough.
Nilpaurion Felagund – Pretty much all has been said.
Kuruharan – Seems his regular self. Nasty, dirty profiteer, but wolvish?
Eluchil – Hmm… I have my doubts about this one.
Malkatoj – Has not said much and jumped on the Nilp-wagon. I cannot quite get a grasp on her yet.

Two more votes while I was typing. Seems like Gil is also heading in a possibly dark direction. I rather lose him than Nilp now (apologies, Gil!), so my vote will probably be for him as well. Also, tie breakers are always interesting.

Edit: despite good intentions, cross posted with Meneltarmacil.

[Meneltarmacil]

My last post was a cross-post with the guy who be short. I was not trying to cast a third vote, just posting a second one. Please take that under consideration.

[Gurthang]

Menel - 1 (Amanduial)
Garin - 1 (Alcarillo)
Nilp - 5 (Nilp, Lhuna, Gil, malkatoj, Naria)
Eluchil - 1 (Farael)
Gil-Galad - 3 (Rune, TGWBS, Menel)

[Valier]

HHHmmmm this one is hard I really don't have anything to base this on. But I don't want to jump on any bandwagons but that is all there seems to be...So I will go with the smallest bandwagon for I also agree with Farael on this one so my vote is for...
++ELUCHIL

(Also if someone can again explain how to quote a line or two from someone not the whole post :D )

[Kuruharan]

Please elaborate, I'm not sure what you mean.

That's just it. There really isn't anything to elaborate on. Some of the things you’ve done have sort of struck me as being a bit…sly. I will probably have a completely different view tomorrow. It’s just DAY ONE, you have to expect this sort of thing. In fact, it’s really something of a backhand compliment to be voted for on the first day…sometimes.

However, at the moment I am suddenly feeling a lot more suspicious of TGWBS. His vote really seems to have been the one to build some momentum for this new lynch Gil-Galad bandwagon. These second votes for somebody are always important.

And oddly enough, Meneltarmacil has also now landed himself squarely on the radar for the exact same reason (ironically enough in an attempt to clear himself).

Oh well. Depending on who is gotten we might learn something toDAY after all.

Still I feel most comfortable (which isn’t much) with this vote.

++ GARIN

DAY ONEs :rolleyes:

[Cailín]

I much share your thoughts, Kuru. Day One is so hopeless. Well, this is hardly helpful.

In voting order:

Azaelia - Meneltarmacil
Alcarillo - Garin
Nilpaurion Felagund - Nilpaurion
Lhunardawen - Nilpaurion
Amanaduial - Kuruharan
Gil-Galad - Nilpaurion
Malkatoj – Nilpaurion
Farael - Eluchil
Naria - Nilpaurion
Rune – Gil Galad
TGWBS – Gil Galad
Meneltarmacil – Gil Galad
Valier - Eluchil
Kuruharan - Garin

Yet to vote:

Cailin
Garin
Kath
Gurthang
Eluchil

For now my vote shall go to, and I hope it is indeed wisdom:

++GIL GALAD

But I shall be looking closely at Garin and TGWBS as well, much due his uncharacteristic silence.

[Cailín]

*double posting*

With as well I naturally mean tomorrow. :)

[Gurthang]

That's just it. There really isn't anything to elaborate on. Some of the things you’ve done have sort of struck me as being a bit…sly.

I'm actually having that same feeling; and sometimes those feelings just happen to be right.

I'm thinking my vote will be for either Garin, Eluchil, or malkatoj. Garin just seems almost overly defensive. Eluchil was somewhat flip-floppy earlier, and malkatoj's vote for Nilp (the third for him) seemed an awful lot like a wolf starting a bandwagon.

But I'm also wondering if I should put Gil right up there beside Nilp. If we made it close (or a tie even) we could force some wolves to make an open decision. I'm not sure that's the best idea, though, because if it is a tie, then we'll be so suspicious if only one dies it pretty much guarantees the other's death tomorrow. Still, if everyone who is left to vote would vote either Gil or Nilp... but that's not going to happen.

Speaking of not going to happen.
Having that said, I'd like to add another bit of a tidbit in favour of the seer coming forward if he gets a wolf on the first few nights. After we lynch the wolf, the seer should be able to ask him (or her) about someone, and therefore know at the very least, an innocent for sure. If we are lucky we'd get another wolf. And then, the ranger can protect our seer at least the night after we get the wolf... and another night if we get lucky and nail yet another wolf on the second night. But it all depends on the Seer finding a wolf in the first few nights. For the time being, we should try to help the seer by nailing a wolf by our own devices!

That would be great; but the sheer odds are so close to impossible that it almost makes you suspicious for even suggestingt he possibility! :p

Vote will come soon, but it will be for some one who already has more than one; so Nilp, Gil, Garin or Eluchil.

[Gurthang]

Menel - 1 (Amanduial)
Garin - 2 (Alcarillo, Kuru)
Nilp - 5 (Nilp, Lhuna, Gil, malkatoj, Naria)
Eluchil - 2 (Farael, Valier)
Gil-Galad - 4 (Rune, TGWBS, Menel, Cailín)

I hope that's right.

[Gurthang]

Well, we're out of time. (I'm pretty sure at least. Deadlines in 2(?) minutes?)

I'm not voting Nilp. I don't think he's guilty, just being himself. Which will be suspicious later, but not now.

Eluchil hasn't done enough to get my vote toDay. I'll be watching, though.

I don't think voting Garin will get us anywhere, since he can still save himself and I don't think anyone else will vote for him.

Well, let's make the wolves make a choice.

++Gil-Galad

Sorry, I know I just jumped way up in the suspicious category. :rolleyes:

[Garin]

Yes, I am a bit chatty and naturally defensive. I waited to vote to see if I needed to prevent my own lynching. It'll be nice to have the night off.
++Gil-Gilad

[Formendacil]

The day after Formendacil’s death was a day of great confusion in the village. Everybody wanted to kill the Werewolves, but they were singularly lacking in any evidence leading back to the Werewolves.

“I know!” said Rune. “We can look for someone who’s missing their tail!” He brandished the severed wolf tail that Formendacil had chopped from his murderers.

“Won’t work,” said Alcarillo. “They would have changed back to men by now.”

“Unless they’re women!” said Naria, pointedly.

“I think that my point still stands,” said Alcarillo. “Men and women don’t have tails.”

“That’s what you think!” said Nilpaurion. “I am a carnivore. I have a tail!”

“No you don’t,” said Kath, pointing at his rump, which was distinctly tailless.

“Then I’m clearly the Werewolf that attacked dear Formendaga,” said Nilpaurion. “So I think you should kill me.”

“Ignore him!” said The Guy Who Be Short. “He’s always had a death wish. If I had a silver penny for every time he’s tried to kill himself with my leather-cutting tools in my hatshop, I’d be living in Minas Anor or Pelargir.”

“Fine then!” said Lhuna, “if this idiot brother of mine wants to die so badly, then let’s kill him!”

There was a chorus of agreement, Nilpaurion’s own voice loudly amongst them, but several voices put forward motions of dissent.

“Don’t be ridiculous!” said Meneltarmacil. “Why on earth would a Werewolf be so blatant? And Nilp is ALWAYS this way. Killing him would be pointless!”

“Especially if he has gifts that could help the village,” agreed Garin. “If he’s a gifted person, we’d be stabbing ourselves in the feet.”

“If he’s a gifted, I’ll kill him a second time personally,” growled Cailín.

“I’m rather suspicious of all of you who are voting for Nilp so quickly,” said The Guy Who Be Short. “Lhuna! You’re voting for your own brother.”

“I’m voting for Gil-galad!” said Rune. “I’ve always said he’s nuts.”

“There’s too many people voting for Nilp, so I’m with you!” said The Guy Who Be Short.

Night was coming, and still the village debated. In the end, they chose Gil-galad as their victim, unwilling to execute someone who might just have been mad. The decision made, the villagers grabbed and bound their victim, and marched him up the to the top of the hill, where a tall, gnarled old oak stood.

“I’ve got rope,” Garin offered, “from the shop.”

Amanaduial and Meneltarmacil knotted the rope around Gil-galad’s neck, and strung it up over the tree. The victim was stoically calm.

“You’re doing the wrong thing!” he said. “You’ll regret this!”

But the villagers wanted blood. One of their own had died and they were feeling threatened. They kicked the box out from beneath Gil-galad and his neck snapped.

“Nothing,” said Farael, “nothing. Looks like he was just an ORDINARY VILLAGER.”

NIGHT 1 is now in session. Werewolves may PM. Werewolves, the Ranger, and Seer should have their nightly picks as soon as they can.

[Eluchíl]

Looks like I'm late. Oh well. It would have went down like this...

Why, aren't we a little jumpy... I would think it is the lack of experience in these deals talking but tonight I have nothing better to go on and I am afraid I must cast my vote early to make sure I get a vote casted.

The Nilp growing bandwagon is a bad idea. Even if the guy is really guilty I would let him live at least another night and keep an eye on him, as should he be innocent any votes against him will say very little. But it is up to you fellow villagers what you do with your votes. Right now, I chose to go with the one my gut tells me is most likely to be guilty. I may be wrong, but I don't think

++Eluchil

sounds quite alright.

I have to go now, and I may or may not be around later. We will see.... think hard and vote smart my friends. You're confusing distain for 'being jumpy'. I am merely the vanguard for reason in a time of insanity. But if you enjoy hanging someone for being astute, perhaps it is you that is the wry one.

++ FARAEL

---

As for Eluchil I thought you were a mild-Mannered Inn keeper? But you seem quick to disclaim finger pointers!What is everyone supposed to do, with horrid Werewolves lurking about!(Disperses some free booze,with a smile!) I hope Werewolves can't hold their liquor! But my dear, how is disclaiming finger pointing not mild-mannered? Is there no civility? Is there no justice? Is there no reason!? (Charlie Brown moment) Well, with horrible blood-thirsty monsters around you can just keep the booze a'flowin'. The moon is full, it's time to celebrate!

HHHmmmm this one is hard I really don't have anything to base this on. But I don't want to jump on any bandwagons but that is all there seems to be...So I will go with the smallest bandwagon for I also agree with Farael on this one so my vote is for...
++ELUCHIL

(Also if someone can again explain how to quote a line or two from someone not the whole post :D ) I understand your decission. Please, feel free to have a free respite and drink at my inn to show there is no hard feelings, and that we are still friendly. :)
(just edit out snippets and post them together in whatever sequence you like. I use the [ quote = user ]Lalala[ / quote ] -- Hope it helps.)

[Formendacil]

The day after Gil-galad’s lynching dawned cold and bright. Perfect weather for a day of accusational oratory. But one villager did not awake with the rest of the village to hunt Formendacil’s killers…

Kath had always dwelt on the edge of town, in one of the more ramshackle dwellings. Some said this had to do with the smell. Being a gongfarmer was never a pleasant job.

When Kath didn’t appear, Kuruharan the arms merchant, Gurthang the tough rancher, and Amanaduial the archer travel guide banded together and carefully made their way to the stinky house on the edge of town. The rest of the village, not so bold, held back watching, despite the fact that all their number was present and no one missing (other than Kath) who could be a Werewolf.

With one blow of his Dwarven fist, Kuruharan sent Kath’s door flying. The three warriors peered in cautiously, then jumped back, startled, at the sight that met their eyes. The mangled body of Kath was lying facedown in her own dirt floor.

Slowly, the villagers got over their shock, and entered the building, searching for clues of the attackers.

“They got her without a struggle,” said Meneltarmacil, surveying the scene. “Not a weapon or piece of wolf anywhere.”

“They’ve left us another message,” said Cailín, catching sight of another parchment. She read it aloud to the others:

Are all Men of the West as stupid as you?

You didn’t come near to catching us yesterday, and you won’t today. Yet another of your number is dead, and if you don’t leave by sundown, another shall be taken tonight.

Leave Rhovanion or die!

And it was signed,

The Werewolves in your midst

“Hey, does anyone besides me notice something?” asked Rune.

“What?” said The Guy Who Be Short.

“There’s an awful lot of shoes in here,” said Rune, and looking around, the others realised that it was so. Pairs upon pairs of shoes littered the floor, as well as scrap leather and tools for cutting and fitting shoes.

“So Kath was a COBBLER in her spare time,” said Lhuna. “What a sad hobby! We should have spent more time with her.”

“Mmm… peach cobbler,” Nilpaurion smacked his lips.

“Stop it, Nilp,” said Meneltarmacil. “You’re a carnivore, remember?”

“That’s why she didn’t put up a struggle!” said Malkatoj. “She WANTED to die. And with a job like gongfarmering, and a hobby like shoemaking… She was probably trying to HELP the wolves.”

“Shoemaking,” shivered Rune, who always went about barefooted, for some reason. “What a perverted hobby!”

“Perverted?” said Amanaduial. “In what way? If you ask me, Master Peace Person, you’re as much as confusion as she was. Maybe YOU’re a werewolf!”

And so began the second day of debating in Dol-in-Gaurhoth.

Those alive:

Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town
Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia - Town Drunk
Farael - Worm Hunter
TGWBS - Hat Maker
Garin - Horse Loaner
Rune – Misplaced Hobbit Peace Activist
Valier - Brewmaster
Alcarillo - Moneylender
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person
Gurthang - Rancher
Amanaduial - Northman Travel Guide
Naria - Store Proprietor
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper
Malkatoj – Philosophy Professor

Those dead:

Formendacil - Moderator - Killed by Werewolves, Night 1
Gil-Galad - Shrubber - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 1
Kath - Gongfarmer - Cobbler - Killed by Werewolves, Night 2

You may begin posting.

[Kuruharan]

Quite frankly, I'm not in the least disappointed with the results of last night's munchings. The wolves came as close to shooting themselves in the foot as they ever will in their nocturnal raids.

Now, we have to ask ourselves, why did they pick Kath? I seriously doubt it was because she'd pointed a finger at one of them (in her case by accident). If she'd done that they'd probably have left her alone because killing her would point the finger back at them. I'm going to go back and look through her posts to see if there is anything useful there to see.

At the moment I think that TGWBS and Meneltarmacil have some 'splaining to do.

[Valier]

At the moment I think that TGWBS and Meneltarmacil have some 'splaining to do.

I agree with Kuru, I thought you both were a little quick to accuse,then lynch,poor Gil-Galad! I don't see what was so suspisious about him. Would you both care to elaborate.And for the others who voted for him..Shame! Now we've gone and killed one of our own!

Now the wolves have killed,the only friend they might have had in this town. I think we need to get down to bussiness,and lynch us a real wolf!

[Cailín]

Well, we won’t miss that smelly, sneaky, suspicious, sassy little… well I shall keep it friendly, shall I?

It seems like the wolves are on the good side for now, which is a positive thing! What luck they killed their only possible ally! Though I feel rather bad for killing Gil since he was just an innocent, let us be honest, we would have killed him eventually anyway. And I am rather curious to see whether Nilp continues along the same lines.

My guess is that the wolves picked Kath because she did not express any clear opinions and failed to vote alltogether, thus not incriminating anyone and leaving us no wiser than we were yesterday. That could mean that some of us came pretty close to killing a wolf yesterday or just that someone thought this a good opportunity to get rid of a possibly intelligent opponent (ha ha ha!).

I’ll start with a review of the votes and see how the discussion has developed when I wake up tomorrow:

Azaelia – Meneltarmacil (Menel 1)
Alcarillo – Garin (Menel 1, Garin 1)
Nilpaurion Felagund – Nilpaurion (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 1)
Lhunardawen – Nilpaurion (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 2)
Amanaduial – Kuruharan (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 2, Kuru 1)
Gil-Galad – Nilpaurion (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 3, Kuru 1)
Malkatoj – Nilpaurion (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 4, Kuru 1)
Farael – Eluchil (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 4, Kuru 1, Eluchil 1)
Naria – Nilpaurion (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 1)
Rune – Gil Galad (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 1, Gil Galad 1)
TGWBS – Gil Galad (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 1, Gil Galad 2)
Meneltarmacil – Gil Galad (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 1, Gil Galad 3)
Valier – Eluchil (Menel 1, Garin 1, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 2, Gil Galad 3)
Kuruharan – Garin (Menel 1, Garin 2, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 2, Gil Galad 3)
Cailín – Gil Galad (Menel 1, Garin 2, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 2, Gil Galad 4)
Gurthang – Gil Galad (Menel 1, Garin 2, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 2, Gil Galad 5)
Garin – Gil Galad (Menel 1, Garin 2, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 2, Gil Galad 6)
Eluchil – Farael (Menel 1, Garin 2, Nilp 5, Kuru 1, Eluchil 2, Gil Galad 6, Farael 1)

So, a lot of different people appear in the voting list. I think the most crucial votes would be Malkatoj or Naria’s vote for Nilpaurion (almost ensuring a Nilp lynch at that point). TGWBS’ vote for Gil Galad, starting the second bandwagon. And finally, Garin’s vote for Gil, though understandably he wished to break the tie. We can disregard Eluchil’s far too late post.

I’ll read yesterday’s proceedings again tomorrow, but am now getting far too sleepy to make sense.

[Garin]

Well, well, the wolves have lost a friend, for shame. (I'm being sarcastic.) This makes our job of finding the wolves less difficult. It is too bad about Gil-Gilad but I believed Nilp was more insane than guilty. Unlike Gurthang I didn't want to leave the decision up to the werewolves. Which, as he said, raised my suspicions of him. Still, one of the votes for Nilp is a wolf, I believe. You'll all be happy to know that I will be less gabby for I have taken ill. *cough*
Oh, and I can't believe Kath used the word 'cobbled.' *cough*

[Cailín]

Another thing before I leave:

Don't you think it is funny how Meneltarmacil and I both picked up on the tiny clues Kath left in her posts? Though I would suspect Menel for his voting behaviour, this makes me believe he also considered Kath might be the Cobbler - in which case he would never have slain her during the Night.

[Kuruharan]

I’ve combed through Kath’s posts and I think Cailín probably has it right.

My guess is that the wolves picked Kath because she did not express any clear opinions and failed to vote alltogether, thus not incriminating anyone and leaving us no wiser than we were yesterday.

Kath briefly mentioned (I don’t want to use a stronger word than that) malkatoj and Cailín, but not much more than that. I do wonder what the significance could be of Meneltarmacil being the one to publicly mention Kath’s use of the word “cobbler.”

[Valier]

Don't you think it is funny how Meneltarmacil and I both picked up on the tiny clues Kath left in her posts? Though I would suspect Menel for his voting behaviour, this makes me believe he also considered Kath might be the Cobbler - in which case he would never have slain her during the Night.

So what it seems your saying is that Meneltarmacil is not a wolf...But you fail to mention anything about yourself...Maybe you picked up the hint as well, because you knew what to look for.(Ahem..Wolf).... Excuse me.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

So what it seems your saying is that Meneltarmacil is not a wolf...But you fail to mention anything about yourself...Maybe you picked up the hint as well, because you knew what to look for.(Ahem..Wolf).... Excuse me.

Perhaps this game is messing with my head...because would it be too far out of the picture for him to guess Kath as a cobbler, but then get his wolf buddies on board to eat her anyway. A perfect excuse.

Then again, I've always been a bit paranoid. And that's not to say I believe Menel is a wolf...Nor am I trying to incriminate him or get him lynched...

Just that I'm trying to say that we can't think the way we're expected to think. We have to try to see everything from several sides if we want to catch the wolves before they drive us out of town.

[Eluchíl]

So what it seems your saying is that Meneltarmacil is not a wolf...But you fail to mention anything about yourself...Maybe you picked up the hint as well, because you knew what to look for.(Ahem..Wolf).... Excuse me. I would have to agree with you. Cailin is quite dodgy. Perhaps too dodgy. Could it have been a slip of the tongue? He let something about his fiendish plots go accidentally and inadvertantly? Curious...

[Meneltarmacil]

Heh heh. They still think I'm a wolf. But I'm not a wolf. I'm an innocent villager. Why would anyone think I'm a wolf? *howls at the moon*

Anyhow, I am quite sorry to see another innocent dead; however, as I said before I was simply trying to keep Nilpaurion Felagund's attempt at suicide from succeeding. I was actually going to vote for Lhunardawen, but since Rune had already voted for Gil-Galad, my other primary suspect, I figured that there was more of a chance that Nilp wouldn't die if I voted for Gil-Galad (TGWBS's vote doesn't count here, as that was a cross-post). That said, I will likely vote for Lhuna today.

I also think that a wolf may have slipped in among the Gil-Galad voters as well as the Nilp ones. I think it very possible there is at least one wolf in each set. The third wolf could have joined one of the bandwagons as well, or could simply have voted for someone else.

As for my pointing out Kath's "hastily cobbled together" comment, I was simply trying to call attention to a potential threat, nothing more.

I'm cross-posting with everyone who posted between Eluchil's post 17 minutes ago, by the way.

EDIT: Guess I'm not cross-posting with anyone, it seems.

[Formendacil]

Meneltarmacil - HIM
Cailin - HER
Azaelia - HER
Farael - HIM
TGWBS - HIM
Garin - HIM
Rune – HIM
Valier - HER
Alcarillo -HIM
Lhunardawen - HER
Gurthang - HIM
Amanaduial - HER
Naria - HER
Nilpaurion Felagund - HIM
Kuruharan - HIM
Eluchil - HIM
Malkatoj – HER

Those dead:

Formendacil, is definitely a HIM
Gil-Galad - HIM
Kath - HER

I may be wrong on one, maximum two of you. If so, I'm sure you'll let me know.

Okay, you may go back to your game.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Gurthang]

Now, we have to ask ourselves, why did they pick Kath? I seriously doubt it was because she'd pointed a finger at one of them

I'm not sure I agree. I wouldn't put it past anyone to bluff in this situation and kill someone who directly accused them. I'm not sure that's the case, but I'm not clearing the people Kath mentioned.

Right now, I'm watching:

malkatoj - vote yesterday was tacked on after two quick ones from Lhuna and Menel. Seems like trying to seal off the bandwagon as the only choice.
Eluchil - Very jumpy and accusatory. Prettt much stabs back at anyone who mentions him as suspiciou.
Garin - Still isn't quite sitting well. He does talk a lot about the future of the village though, but is that good or bad? I cannot tell.

Although, if Garin is a wolf, I'd look into Nilp actually being one also, which would make sense because of Garin saved Nilp with that last minute vote.

Right now I think I'll vote fore malkatoj, but the Day is young, and much can change.

[malkatoj]

I think the most crucial votes would be Malkatoj or Naria’s vote for Nilpaurion (almost ensuring a Nilp lynch at that point).

If you go back and look at my post, I did edit to say I cross-posted with Gil-Galad. I did not mean to be band-wagoning--as I posted my vote, it wasn't a bandwagon. It was either vote for the suspicious looking person now or don't vote at all.

(Note: I am a student, and my time is therefore limited. With an earlier voting deadline, I'll almost always have to post my votes early and therefore with less evidence or reasoning than others who have time later may have. I'm in EST, by the way.)

Kath is an unexpected kill. She wasn't especially vocal for or against anyone and missed the vote, so I can't see why she'd be killed. Meneltarmacil's vote from yesterday looks the most suspicious, along with the string of votes for Gil-Galad. Did anyone else find it odd that one person voted for him, and suddenly everyone else did too? The first vote for Gil seems to be Rune's in post 127. The next two posts, by TGWBS and Meneltarmacil, are also both votes for Gil. These votes are extremely suspicious and we should be careful around them.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I was bent on killing myself, but somehow, Eru snatched me up from the depths and saved me. I was given a new life, and by the One I will not waste it!

If you believe that, you're seriously lacking all the essential amino acids in your diet. Eat your meat!

I refuse to vote for Nilpaurion, simply on the grounds that he told us to - maybe this is some sort of elaborate double bluff, but I somehow doubt it. Besides, I'm hoping Alice may make an appearance, and she always makes interesting reading. Who knows what hidden secrets can appear in an argument between one man and his subconcious... (Aman)
I'm afraid dear Alice won't be making her appearance in this game. 'twould much too unfair if I were playing as two (or even three) minds in one. Besides, Adam already played the game once, and Alice said she couldn't lie, so she'd be a singularly bad player if she were a wolf.

I would also like to declare my suspicions of Kath, we all know what a lying little sneak she is. ;) (the vertically challenged person)
Interessant . . . sehr interessant . . .

OK, seriously why would I vote for myself? The reasons you could come up with are:

1) Some innate psychological problem (He's suicidal and/or seeking attention)
2) Continuity. (He's done it before, he'll be suspicious if he doesn't do it again.)
3) Good sense (He has not much time to do analyses, so he's voting for someone he's sure is not gifted.)
4) Bluffing (He's a werewolf, trying to act all crazy. But his f(r)iends will protect him/He's a gifted acting like he's not [well, this may be cutting it a bit close.])
5) A Hunter with a target. (Self-explanatory.)
6) A Cobbler (Wait, Kath's the Cobbler!)

Choose all you want. I claim the first three as my reasons. But toDAY, I do have time to do proper analyses of everything you say, so maybe I'll vote more wisely now. Maybe.

Enedwaith, I'm looking hard at Lhunadaga ( :p ), malkatoj, the male person with a great degree of vertical challenge, Menel (*throws rocks at him*), Gurthang, and Garin for voting anomalies. Although I suspect at least one Werewolf did not join either the Selbstmörderischer or the Gil bandwaggons.

Vy ze vay, it has been decided that I declare myself. Glirdan and I are Shirriffs. What do you mean he's not playing, too? Am I in the right game???

Don't worry. We'll find a way to get him unconcious.

P.S. I dunno, Modacil, Lhuna has always been a 'HIM' to me. :p

[Naria]

Kath is an unexpected kill. She wasn't especially vocal for or against anyone and missed the vote, so I can't see why she'd be killed. Meneltarmacil's vote from yesterday looks the most suspicious, along with the string of votes for Gil-Galad. Did anyone else find it odd that one person voted for him, and suddenly everyone else did too? The first vote for Gil seems to be Rune's in post 127. The next two posts, by TGWBS and Meneltarmacil, are also both votes for Gil. These votes are extremely suspicious and we should be careful around them.

I thought their sudden votes to be extremely suspicious. I was accused of jumping on a bandwagon and not having a good enough reason for my vote. Then those same people(except for Farael) turned around and made their own bandwagon and for no apparent good reason they all voted for someone that I thought really didn't attract too much attention to himself(with the one post). *tisk tisk* Poor Gil-Galad.

I'm assuming that this is going to attract some kind of attention for myself beit good or bad, but I thought I should get that out there. That being said I don't know at this point whom I'm going to vote for as of yet for the day has only just begun.

Cailin and Meneltarmacil are getting kind of cozy in their big furry coats. Maybe one is the Alpha Female and the other is the Alpha Male.....hmmmm

[Kuruharan]

Hmm...I am still waiting for a number of people to speak.

I was thinking that it would be unlikely for both TGWBS and Meneltarmacil to be wolves...but now I'm not so sure. The wolves can't communicate during the DAY so they can't coordinate their actions. That could have just been a snafu where they both were trying to cover themselves by each trying to cast a side vote that seemed likely to be meaningless and accidentally started a bandwagon. However, I'm not sure the scenario I just explained is very likely...but it is still possible.

I'm waiting for TGWBS to say something.

Although, if Garin is a wolf, I'd look into Nilp actually being one also, which would make sense because of Garin saved Nilp with that last minute vote.

I suppose it's something to keep in mind. However, I'm not sure a wolf would extend itself to save another when there are still three of them. I guess I'd feel more confident about that conclusion (if we should get to a point of testing it) if something else turned up.

I have a few other ideas percolating on the back burner...but until some other people speak I think I'll just sit on them.

[Gurthang]

I suppose it's something to keep in mind. However, I'm not sure a wolf would extend itself to save another when there are still three of them. I guess I'd feel more confident about that conclusion (if we should get to a point of testing it) if something else turned up.

I think they would. If they don't, then they lose a wolf on the first day, a major set-back. If they do, then we won't even know it was wolf saving wolf until we actually kill one (or both) of them. Sounds like something a wolf could, and very well would, do.

Nilp, I'm surprised you haven't suggested lynching Saucepan Man for being too smart. :p I'm leaning on number 4. It just seems like something you would do. ;)

I'm inclined to think that Menel is innocent. He quickly called Kath's cobbler comment into open view. He might be a wolf, but I think it's a stretch that they would intentionally kill their teammate on the first Night. But on the other hand, everyone (assuming they saw Menel's commment), so the wolves would have known she had left the hint.

That being said, she must have said something else in order for them to kill her, something that maybe made them think she was a gifted rather than the cobbler. I'll go check.

[Valier]

I'm inclined to think that Menel is innocent. He quickly called Kath's cobbler comment into open view.

I hate to just agree with everyone but I agree with you on this point.I believe him to be innocent...*for the time being*

I'm wondering why everyone is so quiet today...Everyone coming up with a good aliabi I hope.

I would like to hear what you find out about Kath's posts Gurthang

[Alcarillo]

Well, I'm headed to bed soon, so I will vote now, even with the minimal discussion.

I think Menel is innocent, that malkatoj's and Naria's excuses are reasonable, and I can also see the reason behind voting for Gil-Galad or for Nilp (both are confusing). People seem to be blowing Cailin's post today (after Garin's and before Kuru's) out of proportion, but Kuru does say Cailin was mentioned by Kath. Maybe the former didn't pick up on the latter's cobbler-clue, or thought it was just an odd choice of vocabulary.

Let me go look at Kath's post. I shall return shortly.

[Alcarillo]

Well. Hmmmm. If I were a wolf, I would go after somebody who accused me a tiny bit, somebody who could become a rival later in the game, but not somebody to whom I am a main suspect. Does this fit Cailin/Kath?

*sigh* What the heck! I'll vote for Cailin!

++Cailín

[Cailín]

I’m rather surprised at all the reactions to the post in which I mentioned Kath’s odd choice of words! Surely, yes, I noticed and could have not missed it after Meneltarmacil pointed it out, but the ability to read hardly makes one wolvish. I hope more innocents here ‘know where to look for’, cause otherwise analyzing seems pretty pointless. Anyway - you might not believe me, but when I go over those other old werewolf-related legends two particular instants jump out in this respect. There was this one time when a traitor managed to ensure the slaughter of an entire village because no one picked up on the clues he left the villains. And there was another instant in which a certain wolf was too thick to pick up on some rather obvious choice-of-word clues, made a bad decision and was killed during the first Night. All in all, I try to catch these things as much as I can. Of course, this does not make me more or less guilty, just attempting to clarify something.

Such early votes from Alcarillo all the time! Yes - Kath indeed voiced some worries concerning me, but I felt it could hardly be called an accusation. I also wish to add that even though Naria and malkatoj have excuses for being bandwagon persons, Nilp was still the safest vote yesterday and I would not be surprised if there is a wolf - perhaps 2, not excluding Nilp himself - among those who voted for him. But then again, a wolf likely voted for Gil as well and yesterday was an excellent opportunity for wolf on wolf voting (and strangely enough Farael / Eluchil jump to mind). Gurthang has said it earlier - Eluchil is acting a bit strange, accusing everyone who has accused him, but then again, newbies often do.

I see Garin is a little less vocal today, Nilp is still talking in riddles and some people have yet to make an appearance. I think Menel is in the clear, with me, for now. I do not think he’d sacrifice such a valuable possible teammate as the Cobbler so easily.

[Lhunardawen]

Anyhow, I am quite sorry to see another innocent dead; however, as I said before I was simply trying to keep Nilpaurion Felagund's attempt at suicide from succeeding. I was actually going to vote for Lhunardawen, but since Rune had already voted for Gil-Galad, my other primary suspect, I figured that there was more of a chance that Nilp wouldn't die if I voted for Gil-Galad (TGWBS's vote doesn't count here, as that was a cross-post). That said, I will likely vote for Lhuna today.You know, dear creepy guy, you remind me so much of a certain Lhunatic I know...

With that said, I'm inclined to believe you're innocent. And that mention of Kath as a potential cobbler yesterday earns you more points from me. But I do know how tricksy and sly you can be; for all we know you urged your fellow lycans to kill Kath to get you off the hook. It's not as if the cobbler can be that big a help to you anyway, so as far as your cover is concerned she's completely dispensable. But no sense jumping to conclusions for now.

This whole cobbler-being-killed-on-Night-2 business sounds so familiar. This time I think the werewolves have actually pegged Kath as the cobbler but wanted to throw us into confusion. That, or we're dealing with novices who aren't used to picking such clues up, but that's more unlikely than the first.

As for my vote for Nilp, it was a matter of practicality and limited time. Seriously, if you'll look at it from some twisted point of view, one ordinary villager being killed can help us in some way to locate these rotten werewolves - especially if they are particularly confusing ones. Right now I think Nilp is most likely innocent, but we never really know.

[Garin]

Garin has taken ill and is talking in the third person, at least in this sentence.
So I saved Nilp the Selbstmörderischer from the rope, let me bring up an earlier post of mine:
Nilpaurion it is foolish to offer yourself to the noose, unless it is a bluff. I play a strange new game from the west named Pokr that you bring to mind.
I soon found out from Nilp and others that this is a common practice of his, I suspected a bluff but considered the advice of veterans, one of them being Kath, for pete's sake. He does it all the time! I'm starting to fear that my original suspicions might be correct now.
Nilp became an easy vote and seemed a decent refuge for werewolves. Gil, most unfortunately, was among them.
Now I hate to cross swords with Gurthang but he was willing to allow a tie, which would leave the deciding vote in the hands of lycans. In retrospect, this might have been a good tactic. Suspicion would be directed to the survivor, a potential wolf. Personally, I would rather die than let the wolves decide anything. They already had their feeding hour and basically slit their own throat. They are either idiots or devious. (Great insight, I know.)
My list of suspects is long and my Nyquil *cough* is kicking in. I am hoping to have more quality over quantity for you on this day.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

OK, let me explain our DAY 1 strategy.

DAY 1 is a practically illogical day, where the only way you could catch a werewolf is if:

a) the werewolf had a slip of tongue.
b) the seer dreamt of a werewolf and decides to tell the village about it; or
c) random chance.

More often than not, c) is operative, and it usually fails (the chance of catching a werewolf is 3:19, in case of this village). The chance of lynching a gifted is much higher, 4:19. Call us cowards for not wanting to risk voting for someone else who is more likely to be gifted than to be a werewolf, but we prefer to err on the safe side.

Also, on DAY 1, with nothing to fall back on but our respective jobs, sometimes slips are made (like what Kath did, intentionally or unintentionally). This, coupled with the voting strategy, is what we are trying to look at now.

Be back in two hours or so with a vote!

Respectfully,
The Home-owners's Association of Nilpaurion's Mind

[Lhunardawen]

How time flies...and I'm still as clueless as ever...

++ELUCHIL

makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I don't have any proof, of course, but it might be good to spark a little more conversation...

[Amanaduial the archer]

Well, well, I hate to sound hard-hearted, but that was a little unexpected bonus: looks like, as Garin pointed out, the wolves have lost a friend indeed. Still, one enemy dead, but still no pelt for my saddle-rug, something I hope will be remedied by this evening!

As for my vote for Nilp, it was a matter of practicality and limited time. ++ELUCHIL

makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I don't have any proof, of course, but it might be good to spark a little more conversation... Spark a little- spark a little conversation?! Good lord woman, what kind of (lupine) monster are you?! These are people's lives, and you'd place a vote simply for the sake of sparking conversation! I mean, I don't disagree with you, Eluchil's behaviour on some fronts - continuous attacking, trying to form alliances left right and centre (possibly to allay suspicion?), jumping to and fro form conclusions and accusations - all rather erratic behaviour - and the growing suspicion from others in the thread backs up that my thinking that he is maybe a little suspicious is not entirely out of the ordinary - but without reasoning? Pah!

(;))

Now Nilpaurion...ah, Nilpy nilpy nlipy woops slip of the tongue nilpy... He, well, he is certainly an enigma. I can't work it out! He seems so fixated on proclaiming his guilt - should this be suspicious or not?! If this is a double bluff, it is certainly a very elaborate one, but why would he go to so much trouble? If he isn't simply suicidal, then Nilp is a self-proclaime attention seeker, which made me initially suspect him as the Cobbler, on the grounds of seeming to try to distract the conversation away from any useful speculation onto a focus on himself (not a criticism at you, Nilp, I'm merely stating facts) - but now the Cobbler is dead, I just don't know what to think!

If I were a wolf, I would go after somebody who accused me a tiny bit, somebody who could become a rival later in the game, but not somebody to whom I am a main suspect Well now, Alcarillo, if that ain't a suspiciously competitive attitude, I just don't know what is. Garin was accused of looking to the future, but Alcarillo goes a step further: he makes bold statements about the future, and, further than that, he assumes that the wolves will not be caught, and that he will not be caught, although whether those two statements are in fact one and the same, we are yet to find out. Competition? Would it not be better to work together to try to catch out the wolf, rather than viewing each other as 'competition' - for what, meat?! Maybe not - for a wolf!

Maybe, on the other hand, we should consider why the wolves want us out of the village - seems peculiar to say the least. It could either point the finger at, or clear the name of, Rune. A hobbit - from a land far away, maybe hoping to expand?! But then, a peace activist - I've heard that, although those guys can organise a wild rave, they ain't so big into the murder and digestion of their fellows, however big an appetite they have. So for now, I consider him to be perhaps the one safe bet.

What about malkatoj? A professor of philosophy, he says - a job with plenty of time on his hands, so I've heard; is he sleeping the days away rather than studying, ready for a wild night on the rampage? Or maybe this all an (admittedly very elaborate) mind-test? Sure, you may say this seems a little strong but who knows what goes on in the mind of the philosopher?

Hmm.

For now, I shall cast my first vote (not sure whether I will be able to post tonight, y'see), as my first suspicion in this post:

++Lhunardawen

[Meneltarmacil]

Not a lot of time to post, heh heh, but I'll do what I can.

I'm not sure what to make of Nilp at this point. He's most likely just an ordo trying to get killed or the boldest wolf in the world. As for Lhuna, her explanation doesn't seem to quite clear her in my opinion. I'll post again later, but have to go now.

[Amanaduial the archer]

He's most likely just an ordo trying to get killed or the boldest wolf in the world. I seriously doubt it's the latter, so maybe we do indeed have a case of the Infamous Ordo Syndrome (thus named as of now)...

*nods wisely*

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I have been accused of Cobblerism (which I'm not), of seeking attention (I certainly am revelling in it now--Infamous? Me? ;) ), and of pulling a bold double-bluff (as I once said, I usually tell the truth or pull a bluff; double-bluffing is hard work). Which is all good and well, but the only words I would trust now are those from me (because they were formed by someone I trust absolutely) and those from the dead (because they can't change their minds)--unless some gifted villager shows up, of course, but I don't speak for them.

Of course, despite not trusting your words, I do heed them. The Mangekyou Sharingan is upon you.

With this said, I'll now throw my sensible (for me, at least) deductions.

The Death of Kath

She was killed because:

1) she pointed a finger that was seen as threatening
2) she defended a werewolf; thus her death will make said defendee (now I'm making words up?) look innocent
3) the Werewolves are toying with us; or
4) they killed someone at random.

I can't address 3) and 4), obviously. So what if they went with option 1 or 2?

Now, in 119 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=438374&postcount=119) Kath suspected:

1) guy and I of being allies
2) malka, because of a funny feeling; and
3) Cailín, because of the way she posts.

She also defended Lhuna.

I know I'm not a werewolf. I don't know about guy, but I don't see anything striking about him so far. (I know, you'll read this as 'Hey, look, they're obviously allies!') malka is already on my hastily-made original Suspicious's List, and now she seems to be steering suspicion away from her. (156 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=438621&postcount=156)) Cailín . . . she seems overly defensive. (164 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=438658&postcount=164)) Touchy, touchy.

It also seems cute (in a twisted sort of way) that both Menel and Cailín intended to vote for Lhunadaga (daga!) but voted for Gil instead. Coincidence? Perhaps, perhaps.

Lhunade-hime's early vote did not surprise me, but her vote for me did. She, of all people, should know the depths of my attention deficit. I am, in the words of our language, kulang sa pansin, KSP for short. Why, why?

Well, her name did show up twice. She looks to me like a good vote for now.

++Cailín

Oh, and:
DAY 1 is a practically illogical day, where the only way you could catch a werewolf is if:
. . . c) random chance. (my post) Nice going, Emily. 'You could only catch a werewolf if random chance.'

[the guy who be short]

I'm here!

And I have three things to say. Maybe four.

The first addresses people attacking me, albeit mildly, two days in a row for being quiet. Please consider my location and my profession. On bad days, I probably wont be able to talk until a few hours afore nighttime.

Secondly, the death of Gil. *Shrugs* I stand by the vote. I explained the vote when I cast it. Nilpaurion always tries to kill himself. Anybody voting for him comes under suspicion. The newer villagers don't know this, and I thus discounted them from the people voting for Nilp. This left Gil and Lhuna, of whom the latter appeared more suspicious to me. In any case, even as confusing as he is, I believe Nilp to offer better quality analysis than Gil. So call us allies.

This leaves Lhuna, who now looks increasingly suspicious with her random vote.

I'm also suspicious of Alcarillo for the rationale behind his voting.

Additionally, I'm suspicious of Kuruharan. Perhaps it's a subconscious knee-jerk reaction, but we all know the intellect this dwarf possesses. He has too much of the air of a scholar subtly manipulating the others.

Adios until just before nightfall.

[Garin]

Valier said:
I hate to just agree with everyone but I agree with you on this point.
That is all you have been doing is agreeing with particular people and casting safe votes that do not bring you into suspicion.
.So I will go with the smallest bandwagon for I also agree with Farael on this one so my vote is for...
++ELUCHIL
A vote that had litttle chance of amounting to anything but shows you out of the Nilp and Gil bandwagon.
I agree with Kuru, I thought you both were a little quick to accuse,then lynch,poor Gil-Galad! I don't see what was so suspisious about him.
You are almost my antithesis. So agreeable Valier, always playing safe and weeping the loss of a villager, false tears , perhaps. Plus, I own nothing but black cats to guard my feed from field mice, I mistrust white ones. (Best reason to lynch ever.) Sarcasm again.
I could continue but I think I have pneumonia.

[Cailín]

How peculiar, it seems like you have to vote for yourself to avoid suspicion in this village. It is strange how Nilpaurion has suddenly lost all desire to murder himself – he hardly even tries to look suspicious anymore and is currently under most people’s radar. Rather ironic if he should turn out to be a very bold wolf who has developed the perfect strategy to elude suspicion.

Also, I start to see Lhuna and Nilp’s point and am reconsidering the wisdom of other people and me voting for Gil yesterday. He had left already and little chance of defending himself, and with the current werewolf / gifted / ordo ratio, we are pretty darn lucky he turned out to be an innocent. We could have easily killed our Seer or Apprentice: there was slight evidence against Gil (yes, his vote was not brilliant, but he seemed to be in a hurry) and the only reason I preferred him dangling on the noose yesterday was because I was inclined to (not) trust Nilp and he generally offers (as he has shown today) somewhat better and especially more extended insights.

Though I hate accusing anyone voting for me, because people think you’re ‘touchy’ when doing that, I have certain doubts concerning Alcarillo as well. He was quick to vote both yesterday and today, did not really participate in discussions to avoid suspicion and has cast a vote for me with very little reasoning (though I cannot guarantee I am fully objective when it concerns something as precious to me as my own life).

I think Garin has made some valid points about Valier in his post above, so I shall not repeat them here.

[Kuruharan]

First of all, I’d like to say that certain individuals who are casting their votes seemingly at random are making me nervous. Whether they are wolves or not they aren’t exactly helping the Cause.

Secondly, I too have been wondering about Valier. And contrary to what some have said, she's not just been agreeing with everything everybody else has been saying.

Take post 150.

In that post she was the first to really accuse Cailín of being a wolf. Then post after next, Eluchíl seconds her. Then sometime later, Alcarillo comes in and casts a rather hasty vote for Cailín. Could this be an attempt to start a bandwagon on the part of one or more wolves?

I don't know. They might be right actually. The only way to find out is to get rid of a few of them.

[Gurthang]

Now I hate to cross swords with Gurthang but he was willing to allow a tie, which would leave the deciding vote in the hands of lycans. In retrospect, this might have been a good tactic. Suspicion would be directed to the survivor, a potential wolf. Personally, I would rather die than let the wolves decide anything. They already had their feeding hour and basically slit their own throat. They are either idiots or devious. (Great insight, I know.)

Actually, the rules now state that the first villager to achieve the tying total will be lynched. I didn't realize that it had changed until after I had voted.

Well now, Alcarillo, if that ain't a suspiciously competitive attitude, I just don't know what is. Garin was accused of looking to the future, but Alcarillo goes a step further: he makes bold statements about the future, and, further than that, he assumes that the wolves will not be caught, and that he will not be caught, although whether those two statements are in fact one and the same, we are yet to find out. Competition? Would it not be better to work together to try to catch out the wolf, rather than viewing each other as 'competition' - for what, meat?! Maybe not - for a wolf!
Now this makes me suspicious, much more so than Alcarillo's comment that she was talking about. I think you read way to much into that little phrase. It would almost stand to reason that she had nailed your tactics and so you wanted to shoot her thoughts down.

Nice going, Emily. 'You could only catch a werewolf if random chance.'
When did Emily show up? I've never heard out of her before... ;)

Looks like Nilp beat me to an analysis of Kath; I still haven't had time to read through her posts. I'll probably still do it, but my analysis, if any at all, will be short.

So many people are doing little suspicious things, I'm finding it hard to even keep stuff straight. Right now: Garin, Eluchil, Valier(too agreeable and non-commital), Lhuna(early 'random' vote), and Cailín(largely due to other's comments which I find sensible). I've also been wondering about Nilp, but I doubt I'll vote for him toDay.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

All I am saying
Is give peace a chance
All I am saying
Is give peace a chance

Everybody's talking about. . . (gets the news of the death and Identety of Kath and brakes down in tears)

Wow that was wierd! I have never before expirienced people rally behind me like that! I was sure that Nilp was going to die, then I found out that Gil was innocent and now I really feel bad.

It was actually kind of wierd as I spoke against bandwaggoning and by chance I startet one my self.

Nobody really stands out to me right now, but I will say this: I dont think we should belive Menel to be innocent just because he pointet out the cobbler thing, there is no reason a wolf would not do that.

I will be looking into things and return with my thoughts.

[Garin]

Gurthang= Actually, the rules now state that the first villager to achieve the tying total will be lynched. I didn't realize that it had changed until after I had voted.
I had not realized that and thank you for bringing it to my attention. However, what was your reasoning for putting it into the hands of the demon dogs? You could have lynched at that moment. I,of course, waited until the last minute to save myself, if the need arose.
Gurthang, I like to think you innocent, why did you tie the vote?

[Valier]

That is all you have been doing is agreeing with particular people and casting safe votes that do not bring you into suspicion.

I don't thing my vote yesterday was a safe vote.I voted for who I thought was the most defensive and suspisious!

So agreeable Valier, always playing safe and weeping the loss of a villager, false tears , perhaps. Plus, I own nothing but black cats to guard my feed from field mice, I mistrust white ones. (Best reason to lynch ever.) Sarcasm again.

I am soooo sorry for weeping for an innocent villager,but he was innocent,and My safe vote was not for him! I know I am not a Wolf! I really want to lynch a real one today!

I'm still undecided as of my vote yet, I am leaning towards Cailin,Garin,Or Lhuna...their posts have been slightly wolfie to me,I will look into it a bit more before school

Oh and aren't black cats sort of shifty?

[Garin]

Variel: Oh and aren't black cats sort of shifty?
Oh, agree but they are good mousers. They sit and stare at me while I sleep. I believe myself to be cursed by them and blame them for my current ailment. However, the Hello-Kitty look is far more disturbing. Guess who has a fever?

[Cailín]

There are votes and suspicions against me because:

- Kath indicated that she found my posts worrisome (though not insensible nor particularly strange, only because she was agreeing with me. Since she is the Cobbler she probably did not think me a wolf, really, and probably only said she agreed with me, while really thinking the opposite. Or not.).

In fact Cailin has come to my attention a few times while reading through this thread. Very quick to accuse but is hanging back on a vote. Thing is that everything she says makes perfect sense and is exactly what I'm thinking (which is why it's driving me nuts and making me suspicious of her).

This is the quote in question.

- I pointed out that I suspected Kath to be the Cobbler, because of her use of the word cobbled. (and while I ensured Meneltarmacil would live another day – likely – people consider me wolvish for noticing).

So what it seems your saying is that Meneltarmacil is not a wolf...But you fail to mention anything about yourself...Maybe you picked up the hint as well, because you knew what to look for.(Ahem..Wolf).... Excuse me.

Uhm yeah. I explained.

I would have to agree with you. Cailin is quite dodgy. Perhaps too dodgy. Could it have been a slip of the tongue? He let something about his fiendish plots go accidentally and inadvertantly? Curious...

Her fiendish plots definitely do not involve getting lynched. This post is nothing more than simply agreeing and nodding, while making someone suspicious of you (for I mentioned Eluchil’s name a couple of times) appear in a questionable light.

Cailin and Meneltarmacil are getting kind of cozy in their big furry coats. Maybe one is the Alpha Female and the other is the Alpha Male.....hmmmm

And another time my name is mentioned without any reasoning at all.

Well. Hmmmm. If I were a wolf, I would go after somebody who accused me a tiny bit, somebody who could become a rival later in the game, but not somebody to whom I am a main suspect. Does this fit Cailin/Kath?

It does not. Obviously, I was Kath her main ‘suspect’, cause I was the only one she mentioned multiple times and questioned directly. I would not have killed Kath – because of the previously mentioned ‘cobbled’ and because Kath is very capable of gathering suspicion by herself, with her non-voting and non-commiting statements. ;-)

- I react to the votes against me in a ‘touchy’ manner. (sorry *sniff*, I get a little emotional).

By all means, lynch me. I might just deserve it. I hope you’ll find it helpful, though I have a hard time picking out the wolves and I know of my own innocence.

As an alternative to suicide, I’d be in favour of lynching (though this might yet change before the Day is done):

Nilpaurion Felagund, just to be on the safe side.
Eluchil, because I suspect him the most right now.
Malkatoj, because of her disturbing silence.

Though I think my death might be most telling today. But you would lose me. Which would not be fun.

[Farael]

Lhuna has already cast a vote for Eluchil and that is bad news for me, as voting for him again would be seen as bandwagoning. While I don't like his game so far, his actions remind me of a story I heard once about a village of werewolves infiltrated by brave heroes... the plan went sour, but what I remember is that this big, bad wolf called Farael acted somewhat like Eluchil (hint: I'm talking about the last WW game, my first ever... for those of you happy to jump and accuse me of werewolfism)

If Lhuna who is fairly suspicious had not voted for Eluchil I might have stayed true to my first vote but I neither want to join Lhuna nor fuel a bandwagon.

Cailin has been pretty jumpy and she is not a rookie in this kind of dealings and this last quote unsettles me a little

Though I think my death might be most telling today. But you would lose me. Which would not be fun.
Isn't our goal rid our formerly lovely town from the influence of those terrible werewolves? if Cailin is suspecting someone she should say it out loud so that should we lynch her, we would know exactly what she meant.

And then there is the issue of Garin. Sticks his neck too far out and then slowly reels it back in with almost empty posts (at least meaning-wise) I'd like to propose a scenario.

Suppose Garin is a werewolf, along with at least one more experienced f(r)iend. During the day, werewolves are impeded to talk to each other secretly, so the experienced fiend could not tell Garin to calm down a little. After the day was over, and probably while enjoying Kath's hope-it-was-poisoned flesh, the experienced werewolf told Garin to take it easy else he got killed.

And now we get what we see, Garin still posting a fair bit on a slow day but saying VERY little in his posts. If anything, accusing Valier who is a bit of a safe bet, although she sounds suspicious I'm not yet willing to go after her head.

I have my eyes set on Garin now, and I shall vote him unless something unexpected happens, but I am in no hurry for the time being.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Lhuna has already cast a vote for Eluchil and that is bad news for me, as voting for him again would be seen as bandwagoning.

Not nessesarily if you make a good case and don't just copy what other have said it is quite allright. If we were not allowed to vote for the same as other people this would be wierd indeed.

[Farael]

Not nessesarily if you make a good case and don't just copy what other have said it is quite allright. If we were not allowed to vote for the same as other people this would be wierd indeed.

Oh, I agree, but I don't think I can make a good enough case, and my vote for Eluchil would be just a continuation of my suspicions from the former day. I'm not as worried of being suspected as I worry about starting a bandwagon against an innocent. I am not certain of Eluchil guilt (or anyone's for that matter) and so I will hold off on my vote for a little bit

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have been giving this a bit of thought and there are currently two people that somehow stands out to me. This is purely based on me thinking that they are playing strange. Those of whom I speak is Garinand Meneltarmacil

Garin: Is very defensive and talks about that he is sticking his neck out by being vokal. He sais he saved his vote incase he needed to save him self, but was he ever in any danger? Sure some had raised suspition and might have votet Garin in the end, but a mather of fact was that he only had one vote and Nilp 5! There really was nothing indicating that it would be him that was to be lynched. Then he cast's the vote that seals Gil's destiny. He claims that he is taking a chance by beeing vokal, but is it not true that people often suspect those who is more silent and the wolfes would benefit more from killing a silent person who does not suspect anyone and therefor does not leave a trail.

Meneltarmacil: Is acting odd and it makes me wonder, is he a wolf hiding in the spot light? I am sure that he is bold enough to do so. If we add the fact that he was the one who oficaly made it Gil bandwaggon, then he does not look so good in my eyes.

Well that was my thoughts, I will go and look at who you suspect and comment on them next and then proberbly a vote.

[the guy who be short]

Menel pointed out that Kath was the cobbler. I do not believe a wolf would do this; the lupine goal would be to discover the cobbler, then ally themselves with her/him closely.

Kuru attacks Menel for his vote, understandably, and then Valier attaches herself onto the same statement. Hmmm. Not to mention the vote for G-G at a key point.

So, the three so far chosen are Cailin, Eluchil and Lhunardawen. Other than the latter, the others have not struck me as overly suspicious. I suggest we divert our votes elsewhere.

Frankly, I'm not sure what to do.

[Amanaduial the archer]

I could continue but I think I have pneumonia.Uh huh, yeah, way to get the sympathy vote! ;) : Oh and aren't black cats sort of shifty? Good lord, and I get accused of over analysis? Hmmph!

Now this makes me suspicious, much more so than Alcarillo's comment that she was talking about. I think you read way to much into that little phrase. It would almost stand to reason that she had nailed your tactics and so you wanted to shoot her thoughts down. Confusion: Gurthang, Alcarillo didn't actually mention my name. And if I wanted to shoot her down quite so much, surely a far quicker way of distraction would be to attack her more directly...by voting for her. But I am certainly not as suspicious of Alcarillo - as of some others.

I find my concern turning to Cailin actually at the moment - her last post was entirely defensive, rather than really properly asking questions into other people's guilt or innocence and helping towards the Wolf Effort. However, as she rightfully points out, it was Kath who really instigated such suspicion - which makes me consider that she is probably not in fact guilty, at least, not if the cobbler knew the identities of the werewolves (did she?) - it doesn't really work that the Cobbler would try to kill those who she was supposed to be helping. Who. Whom. Ah, whom cares...

I therefore stand, for now, with my vote of Lhunardwen.

[Kuruharan]

I'm not as worried of being suspected as I worry about starting a bandwagon against an innocent.

I don’t agree with this. You can’t be worried about how a vote seems. People are going to notice how votes look based upon the results. Unfortunately, beforehand there is no way to know which theories are right or wrong. The only way to find out is by testing. At the moment, we are all effectively operating blind. The only way to learn is to get a wolf and the only way to do that is experimentation. Once we do that we can start tying things together. If you start a bandwagon against an innocent, yeah, that’s going to be bad for you. However, there’s just no other way. You should always vote how you think and not worry about being wrong.

Now, what I think is that I’m still finding Garin suspicious, but today I’m more inclined to focus on Valier. My basis for this is her seemingly excessive agreeability combined with some subtle pointing toward Cailìn. However, this now brings up Cailìn’s status. Unfortunately, I’m unsure of how to proceed from here because this will involve getting rid of one of them, but how to choose. And then where to go if this whole trail goes cold?

And why hasn’t malkatoj been posting more? At the moment I’m inclined to believe in her innocence, but…

[Garin]

Rune posted:
Garin: Is very defensive and talks about that he is sticking his neck out by being vokal. He sais he saved his vote incase he needed to save him self, but was he ever in any danger? Sure some had raised suspition and might have votet Garin in the end, but a mather of fact was that he only had one vote and Nilp 5!
Near the end of the voting there were enough left without votes to give me the deciding vote on my fate. Not being suicidal, I waited. I could be wrong, my strength is not with numbers as yours is not with words. However today I feel like 'pulling a Nilp.' Meaning, I don't care today.
My vote will probably go to Valier or Lhuna today, but I am not committed.
This old posting of mine went unnoticed, perhaps ignored.
Quote: Farael
I shall be looking at you, my friends, and I hope you forgive me if I ever suspect the wrong person.
Forgive me but this could be translated as "If my voting pattern looks guilty please ignore it."

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

And why hasn’t malkatoj been posting more? At the moment I’m inclined to believe in her innocence, but…

I too think that it is odd that she has been gone for so long, but I will wait a day or two before judging if she is a wolf or not. (I am a bit suspicios about her)

This whole cobbler-being-killed-on-Night-2 business sounds so familiar. This time I think the werewolves have actually pegged Kath as the cobbler but wanted to throw us into confusion. That, or we're dealing with novices who aren't used to picking such clues up, but that's more unlikely than the first.

This is why I will not write Menel off as inoccent, actually I need the seer's word before I belive in the inoccens of anyone.

Luhna if you are a wolf I will start weeping for once again I am convinced of you innocens!

People I am most likely to vote for today:

Meneltarmacil
Garin
(If Malkatoj should be here, but I will give her time)

People I belive innocent:

Luhna and only Luhna.

[Gurthang]

Gurthang, I like to think you innocent, why did you tie the vote?

Read the last sentence of the part of my post that you quoted. I didn't now about the rule change until after my vote was already cast. I thought I was forcing the wolves, but the rule had changed without my knowledge.

[Garin]

So Gurthang you purposely put the decision in the wolves' hands? I understand that you misunderstood the change in the rules, as did I. Was it a tactical move or are you a wolf?
More of a rhetorical question.

[Gurthang]

Quick thoughts... No time...

Let me just say that voting for someone who already has votes is not bandwagonning. Voting for that person because they have votes is. It's more about motive than the act.

Amanaduial, I know Alcarillo didn't mention you specifically, but you were the one who responede.

[Farael]

This old posting of mine went unnoticed, perhaps ignored.
I shall be looking at you, my friends, and I hope you forgive me if I ever suspect the wrong person.
Forgive me but this could be translated as "If my voting pattern looks guilty please ignore it."


I think we all read what is going on pretty carefully and if your comment was ignored then it might have not been a coincidence. I won't excuse myself as on the first nights no-one has anything but gut instinct to go on and sometimes the gut reaction can be wrong.

Still, this Garin has over-extended his welcome and I will not be getting no worms for him no more. See how he says he suspects Valier or Malk, then proceeds to repeat himself on an accusation over me and on his following post, suspects Gurthang who was trying to make the wolves choose who would die(and so possibly shed some light into who they are).

This is far too suspicious for me, as he is starting to accuse people again after I called him on taking it easy on the finger-pointing after sticking his neck too far out (see my second to last post, I don't have the number with me)

No, this sounds all too much like a wolf who's game has been exposed and now is trying to back-track to avoid suspicion

This is why, and taking into account that I have to go NOW else I'll be late for my microbiology... erm I mean, worm hunting, I shall cast my vote for

++Garin

[malkatoj]

Again, sorry for my absence. No, I'm not sleeping away the day, just in classes. Silly school.

Anyway, I find both Lhunardawen and Alcarillo's early votes suspicious. Neither of them have a lot of (or any) reasoning behind them.

Well. Hmmmm. If I were a wolf, I would go after somebody who accused me a tiny bit, somebody who could become a rival later in the game, but not somebody to whom I am a main suspect. Does this fit Cailin/Kath?
(Alcarillo)

Though there had definitely not been enough of an argument or anything between to two to constitute a rivalry (at least, not how I saw it) this at least has some reason behind it and I'd like to leave it alone for a little while. I think, however, that we should pay attention to Alcarillo.


How time flies...and I'm still as clueless as ever...

++ELUCHIL

makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I don't have any proof, of course, but it might be good to spark a little more conversation...
(Lhunardawen)

This one, now. A wolf knows who's innocent and who's guilty, and would therefore have a more difficult time finding guilty looking people among those he knows to be innocent. Lhuna claims cluelessness here--I'm inclined to suspect that it's quite the opposite and that she knows too much to pretend otherwise. Especially for a fairly early vote when she could have stayed for a while and voted then.

I don't think I'll get on again tonight (apologies, blame my teachers) so I'll vote for

++Lhunardawen

[Cailín]

I find my concern turning to Cailin actually at the moment - her last post was entirely defensive, rather than really properly asking questions into other people's guilt or innocence and helping towards the Wolf Effort. However, as she rightfully points out, it was Kath who really instigated such suspicion - which makes me consider that she is probably not in fact guilty, at least, not if the cobbler knew the identities of the werewolves (did she?) - it doesn't really work that the Cobbler would try to kill those who she was supposed to be helping.

In all honesty, this does barely mean a thing. The Cobbler has no clue who the wolves are so the only thing it proves is that Kath probably did not suspect me.

People who I think - for the moment - innocents (in no particular order):

Amanaduial (I'm actually pretty sure about her)
Azaelia (despite her disturbing silence... she's always an innocent)
Meneltarmacil (because of reasons explained before)
Farael (because of his vote for Garin - by which a wolf would draw unnecessary attention from this game's greatest loudmouth)
Gurthang (because I wish to believe he's innocent)
Rune (he seems to be thinking along the same lines as me)
Nilpaurion Felagund (because of his suicidal tendencies and his recent rehabilitation)
TGWBS (because I fully agree that we might be going in the completely wrong direction)
Lhunardawen (because I also wish to trust her)

People who I am slightly concerned about

Garin (due to his worrisome ability to easily slide between the lines and his strategy that reminds me of a particularly cowardly kid playing ring and run - no offense intended, naturally :D )
Alcarillo (because of his early votes and general lack of contribution)
Eluchil (because of reasons stated previously)
Kuruharan (just because he's too clever without really proving it)
Malkatoj (silence is always a bad sign)

People I just plainly do not understand

Valier
Naria

I hope I did not miss anyone!

[Valier]

People I just plainly do not understand

Valier

I don't get what you don't understand about me? Can I help you out in any way?

I would like to point out Garin's weird behavior,I know others have noticed as well,but I want to state my theory
Why the sudden attack on me? Couldn't find anything else to accuse me for other than my "Hello Kitty" Avatar!

I do admit that the curcumstances surrounding my comment on Cailin,were a bit out there but that was just what I observed from her post.Then someone else votes for her and it looks like I started some what of a bandwagon.But I did not vote for Cailin because she's not quite as suspisous as a few others.
I only want to kill me some wolves!!!

[malkatoj]

Cailin!

Malkatoj (silence is always a bad sign)

Go read the announcements thread, it's nothing I can help.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

OK I have made up my mind. I will not be voting for Menel as it will be to no use and to give him the benefit of the doubt. Therefor I will vote Garin


++Garin

[Cailín]

Cailin!

Go read the announcements thread, it's nothing I can help.

I already read it, dearie. Don't worry, I did not vote for you and for now have absolutely no intention of doing so. Not that it clears you, or anything.

I don't get what you don't understand about me? Can I help you out in any way?

I just have absolutely no clue where your allegiance lies. The one moment you say this, the other moment it's that. You're quite capricious. Like a kitty.

[Meneltarmacil]

Alright, I'm back. As for why Lhuna has not cleared herself in my eyes, I think that regardless of Nilpaurion Felagund's identity *heh heh*, she should have realized that he was just following his usual pattern. She would know better than to vote for him...unless, of course, she *heh heh* thought others would follow... And besides Gil-Galad, she was the only experienced one to vote for Nilp.

I also find your reasoning against Valier to be sound; however, I'm going to most likely vote for Lhuna. And booby-trap my house some more...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

she should have realized that he was just following his usual pattern.

But should you not realize that things like this angers Luhna, she (like my self) often wants to vote wayne when he is just beeing him self. So acctually Luhna is just beeing her self, should she change just because Nilp is acting wierd as ussual ?

[the guy who be short]

Menel's logic holds firm.

++Lhuna

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Hmmm. Lots has happened while I've been at school.

Azaelia (despite her disturbing silence... she's always an innocent)

Well. Thanks for the vote of confidence... As for the silence, as I have said many times over, I am a student and therefore have school and homework to deal with five out of seven days a week...and work two days a week. So I have few openings in my schedule. But I've been through all that before.

However, to take a Nilp-ish turn, I don't want to be considered innocent just because I "always" am. That's not reason enough. I am, of course, innocent, as I have been in the past...but I don't want that to be the only reasoning behind the idea, because you could, for all you know, be letting a wolf slip through your fingers. (Of course, I'm not one, so that point is moot, anyway).

Ok... Enough about me. Let's talk about the rest of you. I'm not inclined to suspect people on grounds of silence alone, as I know what it's like not to have the time to get online. What I have a harder time dealing with is input that just serves to muddy the waters, make things more confusing, or is walking the line between meaningless and nonsensical. So for now, I'm not going to suspect Malkatoj on grounds of silence.

I also have reconsidered my suspicion of Menel, on the grounds that I have re-read my musings about killing Kath to appear innocent, and I think that was really rather stupid of me. Ah well. It made sense when I wrote it. :p

Cailin is a little suspicious to me, but I feel inclind to think, for now, that Kath expressing suspicion of her probably means she is not a wolf.

I feel rather suspicious towards Valier, because she's posted some, but I still can't get a good handle on her. She agrees a lot (which isn't a bad thing necessarily, as some people do have good ideas), but we're not getting much new material from her. This could be simple inexperience talking...then again, it could be something more. It is also partially instinct, and I can't say why. Sometimes, you just get a feeling about the way someone's playing.

Garin sends up a red flag, too. I feel like he's playing cleverly, but there's something off, if you know what I mean. He sounds reasonable, but he seems to be playing things close to the chest.

Naria is a concern simply because I can't get a good sense of where she's coming from...I'm content to let it slide for now, since she also hasn't posted much...but if time goes by and still I feel like something is missing, she may get a vote from me.

That all being said, I think I am going to vote for Valier, but I am going to wait and see what else develops for a while.

ETA: Cross-posted with Rune and TGWBS.

[Kuruharan]

This list was compiled after post 205, so it is probably a little dated now.

Alcarillo - Cailín post 163
Lhunardawen – Eluchil post 168
Amanaduial – Lhunardawen post 169
Nilpaurion – Cailín post 172
Farael – Garin post 195
malkatoj – Lhunardawen post 196
Rune – Garin post 200
TGWBS – Lhunardawen post 204

Totals
Cailín-2
Eluchil-1
Lhunardawen-3
Garin-2

(Somebody please correct me if I’ve made a mistake.)

With regard to Meneltarmacil’s argument against Lhuna, I’m uncomfortable building a case on how people react to Nilp. That is why (at this moment) I don’t care for the idea of lynching Lhuna. Nilp’s so strange that he beggars rational reaction. Even if we lynch him and he proves to be a wolf, I’m not entirely sure we could tie him securely to anybody else (which sounds like a darn good werewolf strategy, now that I mention it.)

At this moment I’m not sure I want to inject another candidate into the mix. We’ve already got four with votes and a possible fifth. Whatever happens, I don’t think we want more than one person to be lynched and if the voting stays close that could happen.

Cailín-I’m not particularly suspicious of her myself. Unfortunately, I can’t think of a real reason for this. If she is lynched, we might learn a bit.

Eluchil-Has largely managed to avoid notice. That worries me.

Lhunardawen-I don’t particularly want her to be lynched today. I don’t find the case against her compelling. She wasn’t the only one to vote against Nilp yesterday…

Garin- I’ve always been suspicious of Garin. He’s always seemed a bit crafty to me. That makes me nervous. If I vote for one of these four, he’d be the one I’d vote for.

EDIT: Surprise, surprise, surprise. Nobody else had voted after all.

[Garin]

Valier:Why the sudden attack on me? Couldn't find anything else to accuse me for other than my "Hello Kitty" Avatar!
I think you are playing safe and making non-commital votes, I just wanted to see your reaction, really. Someone who is in the limelight sometimes wants to spread the 15 minutes of fame around. As for the Avatar comment, I truly am feverishly ill today and have stayed home and had two black cats raising hell and not letting me rest. So it was an impulsive thing.
Fear not, it is pretty obvious I won't be voting for you today.

[Garin]

Besides Valier, my Avatar is a bust of Caligula, so who am I to judge?

[Amanaduial the archer]

Garin...claims that he is taking a chance by beeing vokal, but is it not true that people often suspect those who is more silent and the wolfes would benefit more from killing a silent person who does not suspect anyone and therefor does not leave a trail.
Homm. Right, sorry, I'm going to be awkward: surely the wolves would benefit more from the death of a more vocal person, i.e. someone who was less likely to pose a threat to them by voicing his/her opinions loudly? By this logic, Garin is in fact probably putting himself under more of a threat from the werewolves. I also don't understand your other comment:

I will not be voting for Menel as it will be to no use and to give him the benefit of the doubt. Bandwagon-age!

Sure, Garin's constant attempts to throw guilt away from himself (right down to the black cat comments) are a little odd, and maybe could be constrused as suspicious - but if you were looking for someone who seems fixed on proving their own innocence, I would say that you needn't look further than the girl who spent an entire post defending herself - yeah, I'm lookin' at you, Cailin. As for her...ah, I just don't know. I don't suspect her strongly enough to vote for her, certainly, so I shall stick with Lhun - but it can all change in the next...crikey, half an hour?!

I don't know, I'm not sure I can really work Garin out either, but I think he's innocent, for the same reasons as Nilpaurion: to be that vocal would be rather foolhardy for a wolf, so I doubt he actually is.

Although I admit the Hello Kitty comments have completely baffled me. And as to whether the bust of one of the most mysterious Roman Emporers has any significance...
...yeah, grasping at straws. ;)

[Naria]

hehehe....at least we're all trying to find out who the ww are and not doing too much bickering(says with sarcasm).

Cailin stands out the most for me. She has consistentley posted after someone has said somthing about her with great defense. And, at least it seems to me, she is always trying to get the spotlight off of her and onto somebody else and noone in particular I might add. Quite the wolvish behaviour if ya ask me.

I can't really explain my vote any better than that so:

++Cailin

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I was going to post this sooner, but time got away from me.

I have revised my opinions, and have decided to vote for

++Garin

and this is not something that came from the bandwaggon. This is because if he really is as crafty and sneaky as he's coming off, I see him as an immediate threat, and my rather dim suspicions of Valier can wait. Some of his posts have gotten very strange, and I just have decided to go with my gut instinct.

ETA crossposted with many people, and I'm too lazy to go back and count... :p

[Garin]

Totals
Cailín-3
Eluchil-1
Lhunardawen-3
Garin-3
C'mon townpeople, our dear moderator needs time to create a narration. :p

[Cailín]

However, to take a Nilp-ish turn, I don't want to be considered innocent just because I "always" am. That's not reason enough. I am, of course, innocent, as I have been in the past...but I don't want that to be the only reasoning behind the idea, because you could, for all you know, be letting a wolf slip through your fingers. (Of course, I'm not one, so that point is moot, anyway).

I would not have said that if I found anything in your posts that would lead me to believe otherwise.

Cailin stands out the most for me. She has consistentley posted after someone has said somthing about her with great defense. And, at least it seems to me, she is always trying to get the spotlight off of her and onto somebody else and noone in particular I might add. Quite the wolvish behaviour if ya ask me.

I assure you, I absolutely love being in the spotlight and have no intentions to get it away from me at all.

Can I explain my defensiveness with anything else than just admitting I like Day 3 a lot better than Day 1&2 combined and intend to live?

So, three votes for me and three for Lhun, and I personally wouldn’t like to see either one of us dying. I shall therefore be noble – as I am, to my own dismay - and vote for someone I am actually suspicious of, instead of merely saving my own hide. If this is farewell, then so be it.

++ELUCHIL

Edit: of course, I dramatically cross-posted with both Azaelia and Garin.

[Kuruharan]

Why do I have this feeling that there is a mob of us perched in invisible mode just waiting for something to happen and that we are going to end up with a deluge of votes at the end where practically anything could happen…?

I bet there is a wolf or two that hasn’t voted yet.

At this moment that list includes

Melentarmacil
Cailín
Azaelia
Garin
Valier
Gurthang
Me
Eluchil

I know we have a little time left, but this dead silence is a little scary.

pssst…Amanaduiel…I don’t think we can change our votes.

Votes cannot be taken back.
Modendacil post 2

EDIT: See, I knew it, there was a flood of voting while I was typing this post!!

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I just wanted my vote in for the deadline, so if my last post was rushed-sounding, that is why. I hope I have explained myself satisfactorialy. I know I am often wrong, and I feel like I just took a huge risk.If the Garin-waggon wasn't rolling before, it is now, and that certainly wasn't my intention. If Garin is innocent, then it may just be me that people start bandwaggoning for.

That said, I hope I've helped to catch a wolf today.

ETA: I hope you feel better, Garin.

[Valier]

I think you are playing safe and making non-commital votes

Well I have to say I'm sorry your sick(no sarcasm), But I still find your attempt at redirecting your "lime light" away from you,on to me (innocent) to be a little sly.

Cailin-Has been quite defencive with her posts,but so have I so it makes me trust her for another day,because if your innocent it makes you want to defend yourself.

So my commited vote is for..

++Garin

I think 4 people wrote after this sorry

[Garin]

Totals
Cailín-3
Eluchil-2
Lhunardawen-3
Garin-4
C'mon townpeople, our dear moderator needs time to create a narration.
It's obvious why I am waiting, not being nearly as noble as Cailin.

[Gurthang]

Whoa! Was reading and didn't realize how close it was getting! I'll have to make a descision fast.

Probably:
Garin
Eluchil
Cailin

Don't really want to vote Cailin, and Eluchil has been so silent toDay, I really have nothing more on him. I'll most likely pick Garin, but I'll wait a few minutes.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will not be voting for Menel as it will be to no use and to give him the benefit of the doubt.

This means that I have raised suspition of Menel, but will not follow-up on it as everybody els thinks he is innocent. The benefit of the doubt is refering to the fact that my arguments was build on shaky ground. I then votet Garin whom I suspectet as much as Menel.

A loudmouth is only a threath to the wolfs if s/he can convince the other villagers of his own brilliance, when they kill the loudmouth there is more things to analyze and more trails are left. Where as a more silent player will allmost leave no trails. (this way it will allso be easier to frame an innocent)

If you dont understand my logic then dont worry, most people dont.

[Amanaduial the archer]

pssst…Amanaduiel…I don’t think we can change our votes.
Oh, I do apologise, silly of me...thank you for pointing that out.

But I still find your attempt at redirecting your "lime light" away from you,on to me (innocent) to be a little sly.
While I do not agree with what could be construed as sympathy tactics from Garin, am I to understand that this vote is purely vengeance for a bad comment?! Truly, dear lady, at risk of being the victim of your wrath next, truly Cailin far excels you in the stakes of nobility!

EDIT: crosspost with Rune.

[Gurthang]

A little late, but, unless I misread the rules, anyone who did not vote yesterday and does not toDay will be killed. The only one I can think of offhand is Eluchil.

[Kuruharan]

(Time to revive the old have two windows of this open at the same time trick).

I think I’m going to have to be brave and consistent and vote…

++ GARIN

Probably wrong, I expect, and I’ll probably look quite silly…but I can’t think of anything else to do.

(The ends of these DAYs can be bad for your heart… ;))

[Garin]

++Lhunawarden

[Gurthang]

++Garin

Eluchil might be my top suspect tomorrow, depending on the wolves kill. But I may not even have to worry about it if he doesn't vote.

[Amanaduial the archer]

A little late, but, unless I misread the rules, anyone who did not vote yesterday and does not toDay will be killed. The only one I can think of offhand is Eluchil.
...and this overrides Garin's 6 vote impending doom? Well, he has less than five minutes...

[Formendacil]

The second day after Formendacil’s death was taken a good deal more cautiously by the villagers of Dol-in-Gaurhoth. The villagers had seen proof of the Werewolves’ resolution to continue killing them, and although their latest victim had been the one person in the village who could have given them assistance, the fact that not one of the Werewolves was known- or even clearly guessed at- gave them reason to think long and hard on what they knew.

“We should send away for help,” suggest Azaelia. “Surely we can survive long enough to find some professional assistance. And it wouldn’t be like just giving up the enemy.”

“Professional werewolf hunters?” said Garin, “do such things even exist? And if they do, I doubt if there would be any nearer than either Gondor or the Iron Hills. A trip to either and back would take to long.”

“I’m as close as a professional as you can get,” said Nilpaurion. “I am, after all, a carnivore myself.”

The village ignored Nilpaurion. After his performance of the day before, they were content to leave him be for the moment.

“Anyways, who would we send?” said Rune. “In my opinion, we should all abandon the village, and seek out a professional werewolf diviner together.”

“I’ve seriously doubt that such things exist,” re-emphasized Garin.

“And are you seriously saying that we should set off as a group across the wilds?” said Amanaduial. “We’d be in exactly the same boat, except that we’d have no walls for our defense. The werewolves would have us dead before we reached the great road north of the Ered Lithui. And if, by some reason, they let us live until we reached Gondor, we’d just be setting them up for more murders.”

“You’re right,” said Cailín. “So we do the honourable thing, and try to find them for ourselves. I guess it’s the only thing to do.”

“But what if we guess wrong, and the Werewolves escape and go on to kill other villages!” said Alcarillo. “I’m as fond of my life as the next man, but if being honourable is what we’re after, then maybe we should commit mass suicide. True, that’s a pile of innocents going down as well, but at least we’ll know for sure that the Werewolves are dead.”

“That’s over four villagers for every Werewolf,” said Meneltarmacil, doing the math. “Maybe that’ll be acceptable if another few days go by and we’ve had no luck, but for now I don’t think we can justify those odds.”

“Dying isn’t a part of my plan, whatever happens,” said Kuruharan. A few of the villagers shouted their agreement, but Lhunardawen said:

“That sounds suspiciously like what a Werewolf would say to ruin a sound plan.”

“Sound plan!” said Malkatoj.

And so the day continued….

It was one of those days when things seemed unnaturally balanced. When the votes were being tallied at the end of the day, as impartially as the villagers could arrange, it was a close race between Lhunardawen, Garin, Cailín, and Eluchíl- a race where coming in first would mean being the ultimate loser. Gurthang and Meneltarmacil, assured for the moment that they would not die, were already preparing the gallows.

The last few votes were counted, giving Garin a very unwanted landslide victory. The village began to close in around him.

“I’m inclined to agree with Kuruharan,” he said. “Dying isn’t a part of my plan!”

And he grabbed a long knife from his belt, and launched himself at the nearest bystander, grabbing him at the throat.

“Help me!” shrieked Eluchíl.

“No one’s going to save you, runt!” snarled Garin. “They don’t know whether you’re a wolf or no, and from their voting today, I gather that several think you’re a Wolf!

“Now!” he turned to the village. “This little whelp and I will be on our way. If you don’t want to see him hurt, you’ll be wise and make a path for us.”

The villagers looked at each other for guidance, forgetting momentarily the two other Werewolves in their midst. All clutched weapons, from Amanaduial’s longbow, to Gurthang’s riding crop, to Lhunardawen clutching Formendacil’s sword. Slowly, they backed up, letting Garin and Eluchíl through. Slowly, the convicted man and his captive headed towards the edge of the village, the villagers following behind.

Then Eluchíl decided to escape. Why, no one could ever say. Perhaps he panicked. Whatever the reason, he tried to dive under Garin’s arm, and make a dash for the others.

Garin gutted him where he stood.

For a moment there was silence as Eluchíl slipped to the ground, and gave a gasp before dying.

“Told you I was innocent…”

Then everybody came to their senses. Garin took one look at the villagers and made a beeline for the village gates. The others were hard on his heels.

“Get out of my way so I can shoot him!” said Amanaduial, but they were running too fast to stop.

At the head of the pack was Kuruharan. As he explained later, Dwarves are natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distances.

And so it proved for Garin. Just before he made it to the palisade walls of the village, the Dwarf had caught up to him. Massive axe in hand, he swiped at the fugitive, causing him to stumble, though he didn’t manage to maim him.

The rest of the village caught up, and made a ring around Garin, cutting off his escape.

“Traitors!” snapped Garin. “Come and help me, why don’t you!”

Who he was snapping at was never learned, for Kuruharan’s mighty axe clove deep into his stomach, severing him nearly in two. Dying even as he fell to the ground, Garin began to transform, his body shaking as his human features transformed into those of a hideous, cloven beast- the form of a WEREWOLF. The village all stepped back.

“No Werewolf twists my words for their own means and gets away with it,” said Kuruharan, wiping his blade.

“It’s not the one who killed Formendacil,” said Valier. “This one still has its tail.”

In the sky, the sun was setting.

“Let’s get to bed,” said Farael. “I’m sure we’ll pay for this tomorrow…”

NIGHT 3 has now begin.

I need names from the Seer, the Ranger, and Wolves. Dead people, be ready for a PM from me, from the Seer.

~Michael A. Joosten - WW XVI Moderator~

[Eluchíl]

Insinuations, accusations...projecting fears onto me? Friends...listen to ourselves. We must not let the forboding nature of the issue take over our sanity. Amanaduial, you speak reason. You see they only want blood, too, don't you?

Perhaps an olive branch. I'm officially inviting everyone to my inn for some after hours talk and discussion so we can get down to this issue in a civil and diginified manner. I hope to see everyone there.

[Formendacil]

Morning dawned over the village of Dol-in-Gaurhoth. One by one, the villagers regathered in the village square, expecting to find their numbers culled again. But, when they took a headcount, everyone was present….

Several hours before, in the dark of night, the two Werewolves had crept up on one of the village houses, intent on avenging their comrade’s death, and planning to cull yet another from the herd of witless sheep that was the village. But as they approached the door of the house, something startled them.

But before they could react to the sound, a tall figure leapt out of the shadows brandishing a long blade that shone in the moonlight. Moving fast and deadly, the warrior advanced on the wolves.

Still timid after the death of Garin, the Werewolves turned and ran. The Ranger did not follow. The duty of the night was done. Go any further and the Wolves might turn and fight…


As the villagers realized that the Wolves had not killed any of their number, they started to rejoice, but soon Farael’s sharp eye caught sight of a piece of parchment with a familiar scrawl on it, driven on a nail to the lynching tree.

Men of the West it read.

So you have survived another night. Consider it a fair trade for the unexpected bonus of Eluchíl’s death. Your Ranger cannot protect you for long.

The Werewolves in Your Midst.

“Bluster!” said Gurthang, “it’s all bluster.”

“Yes,” said Malkatoj, “surely they can see that they’re losing.”

“If I may point out the obvious,” said Rune, “we still have no idea who the other Werewolves are.”

“I have an idea,” said Amanaduial darkly.

“And just what are you insinuating?” demanded Rune.

And so began, yet again, another day of accusations, deceptions, and, eventually, an execution…

DAY 3 has begun, you may now begin posting.

Those alive:

Meneltarmacil - Creepy Guy on the Edge of Town
Cailin - Noble Kleptomaniac
Azaelia - Town Drunk
Farael - Worm Hunter
TGWBS - Hat Maker
Rune – Misplaced Hobbit Peace Activist
Valier - Brewmaster
Alcarillo - Moneylender
Lhunardawen - Potion-Pizza Person
Gurthang - Rancher
Amanaduial - Northman Travel Guide
Naria - Store Proprietor
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspicious Carnivore
Kuruharan - Dwarven Alcohol and Weapons Merchant
Malkatoj – Philosophy Professor

Those dead:

Formendacil - Moderator - Killed by Werewolves, Night 1
Gil-Galad - Shrubber - Ordo - Lynched by Village, Day 1
Kath - Gongfarmer - Cobbler - Killed by Werewolves, Night 2
Garin - Horse Loaner - Werewolf - Killed by Vilager, Day 2
Eluchil - Mild-Mannered Innkeeper - Ordo - Killed "Accidentally" by Werewolf, Day 2
NIGHT 3 - NO DEATH

[Cailín]

Things are looking up! Well done, oh mighty and fabulous ranger and well done fellow villagers on catching wolf- Garin! Not only does our Seer now have a dead wolf to prod for info; we can also get a clearer view on the situation. Plus, our Gifteds are getting stronger and more knowledgeable by the day.

I realise I look none the better than I did yesterday. Frankly, I could care less. I wish to find the wolves before I die, so I’m not going to waste more energy to defend myself and totally screw up in other departments. So I shall just try to gather my thoughts on some of you.

As for Eluchíl… you’re dead. I’m dreadfully sorry, but you are. So stop babbling ;-)

--The case against:

Nilpaurion Felagund

While he was still looking pretty good yesterday, I definitely think Garin’s furriness has put Nilpaurion in a rather bad light. On Day 1 he voted traditionally for himself, which is not too weird. The only thing it proves is that Nilp was undoubtedly not a gifted – the only time I can recall he was anything other than an innocent villager or wolf, he abruptly changed his tactics. So there’s basically two options. Nilp is a wolf or Nilp is clueless.

Now let’s go back to the end of Day 1 when a rather interesting situation arises. Right after my vote, the scores are as follows:

Menel - 1 (Amanduial)
Garin - 2 (Alcarillo, Kuru)
Nilp - 5 (Nilp, Lhuna, Gil, malkatoj, Naria)
Eluchil - 2 (Farael, Valier)
Gil-Galad - 4 (Rune, TGWBS, Menel, Cailín)

As we can see, it’s obviously between Nilpaurion and Gil-Galad, Gil’s bandwagon starting with a collective brainwave from Rune and TGWBS. However, Garin, our recently proven furry friend, has been holding out on his vote. In his own legendary words:

Yes, I am a bit chatty and naturally defensive. I waited to vote to see if I needed to prevent my own lynching. It'll be nice to have the night off.

But he never even came close to being lynched! When Garin got his second vote, Nilp had already gathered five and Gil Galad no less than three. And only Gurthang said directly that his vote might be going to Garin. So was Garin really trying to save his own fangs, or was he watching out – loyally – for his criminally insane fellow wolf?

Next day, Nilpaurion decides to get serious. He might have been convinced by nightly pleas from his fellow wolves. He suspects TGWBS, me and Malkatoj, but none of them too much. His vote for me makes me uncomfortable at that point, but that would be just me.

Lhunardawen

Now Lhuna has already been under a fire and where does the strongest ‘Let’s kill the lhunatic’ voice come from other than our dearly departed wolf? However – even though Garin has voted for Lhuna right before his death, he was already convicted by then and it might have just been a clumsy attempt to make his fellow wolf look innocent in our naive eyes.

Her early votes for Nilpaurion and Eluchil are none-telling (alas, the poor gal is suffering from that dreadful sickness) and could be clever ways to hide a lupine secret. However, for now, I have an ‘innocent’ standing behind Lhuna’s name.

Do I believe Nilpaurion and Lhuna could both be guilty? Well, then they’d be playing an extremely risky game. However, nothing is impossible, especially where those two are involved.

The Guy Who Be Short

Why, his silence is simply unnerving.

--For now I believe the following people innocent till proven otherwise (which is about as good as you can get in this game):

Alcarillo

He was first to vote for Garin on Day 1 – with no reason at all. Were he wolf, he could have randomly voted for someone else without attracting much suspicion. I’d find it hard to believe that Wolf-Alcarillo would vote for his fellow wolf when considering that Garin was already prodded here and there and such a random vote easily turns into a bandwagon on Day 1.

Valier

Well, this seems pretty darn obvious. Garin sneakily cast suspicion on poor Valier, and Valier continued to vote for Garin at a most crucial time. This would be a pretty bold bluff to pull off, and I doubt anyone would dare.

Less certain, but equally unconcerned, am I of Azaelia, Gurthang and Rune.

--

Then there is Kuruharan. He pursued Garin from Day 1, which speaks largely in his favour. Then we can be fairly certain he is indeed innocent, were he not such a shrewd merchant who I could easily see sacrificing all his fellows for a personal victory.

Amanaduial, Meneltarmacil, Naria and Malkatoj are other people I shall be looking at closely today. Though I’m not so suspicious of Farael, I’d like to here more from him anyway, but I am too tired to do any further analysis for now. :)

[Gurthang]

Excellant job, Ranger. I'm glad that we didn't lose two innocents this last night. (Meaning Eluchil and the wolf's choice.) I can't help but wonder if it was me... :rolleyes:.


Although, if Garin is a wolf, I'd look into Nilp actually being one also, which would make sense because of Garin saved Nilp with that last minute vote.

Does anyone else think this would be a good choice? Garin's vote now really seems like a 'save Nilp' push. I've always worried that Nilpaurion would be able to use his consistant 'lynch me' as a cover for when he really was a werewolf. I think this might be that time. He'll be high on my list when voting comes, but the Day is young.

I'll be looking at Lhunadawen. Her early vote for Nilp that first day was very suspicious, and now I'm wondering if it wasn't her voting for a fellow wolf (Nilp) who would get lynched and then make her look innocent. I'm more for lynching our suicidal comrade, but if he is of Garin's variety, then Lhuna might be next on my list. Also, I notice that Garin voted for Lhuna in his dying breath. It may just have been him attempting to save himself, but it almost looks like he's voting for another wolf to make her look less like one. OR it could just be me being paranoid about someone I think might be a wolf... ;)

I'll be back later to look through the voting to see if that will tell me anything.

[Gurthang]

Cailín, interesting that you and I are both looking towards Lhuna and Nilp. I was beginning to look at you a little simple because everyone else thought you were suspicious. Your comment about caring more for the village than your own life is definitely something an innocent would say, so I'm very much inclined to believe you.

[Meneltarmacil]

Sorry about my not voting. I had to do some work and completely forgot about the deadline, heh heh.

Let me state for the record, though, that I would probably have voted for Lhuna.

[Amanaduial the archer]

We've got off to an auspicious start and a triumph over the werewolves - lets make the most of it.

Now let’s go back to the end of Day 1 when a rather interesting situation arises. Right after my vote, the scores are as follows:

Menel - 1 (Amanduial)
Ah. Hmm, actually, didn't comment on this first time around because I think I somewhat misunderstood, but I didn't actually vote for Meneltarmacil, I didn't actually, I think, even suspect him - I voted for Kuruharan. I don't suppose it really matters now - it was a Day 1 vote, I have no suspicion against either of them now really - but, hey, just for the record :)

First the death of Garin, then an unsuccesful night of hunting after they were thwarted by the Hunter...well, well, looks like fate may not be entirely against us, 'cos it certainly ain't with the wolves. Hopefully we can take advantage of that today, and I must admit, after Nilp's post on the death of Eluchil and Garin, I am rather intrigued about who the 'wolf without a tail' - I can see the mystery around that one in particular building, although it would be a shame to have such a fine wolfpelt marred by missing a part...;)

A major question I'm tingling to ask is whether Kath knew of the identities of the werewolves - I mean, I'd presume she did, or her job as a Cobbler would be somewhat hard to carry out (what with the potential this would have to destroy those she was trying to help and all...). This could be important: see, Kath, in post 116, defended Lhuna when she was attacked. Now, I realise that I may be seen as having a go at 'poor ol' Lhoony', but, y'know, if Kath did know of the identities of the wolves, this could throw her innocence into some serious doubt. I mean, she is yet to post today, so we'll see what a new day brings, but its rather telling when the first confirmed bad guy so staunchly comes to your aid...

Cailin, I must agree with you on the point made about Valier - looking back, she actually has from the beginning made her suspicions about Garin clear, like Alcarillo and despite the chit chat she made with Garin. So unless making friendly small talk throws someone's innocence into question, I'm actually fairly sure about these two as well.

My agreement with you over this does lead me to wonder about your list of 'people to watch' however - partly, of course, because I come onto it. Why choose those who you have?

Problem comes, really, with a lack of posts from some people. Guy, Lhuna, Malkatoj...I don't know what to really think of any of them. I mean, I suspect Lhuna for other reasons, but the other two...hmm. I just don't know. For now, because they haven't made me consider anything to the contrary by their behaviour or any apparent alliegance to the dead 'baddies', I will let them rest actually and be satsfied - a little, anyway! - with their innocence. The suspicion which seemed to surround Meneltarmacil makes me question his innocence - but, like the others, I can't really gather enough from his posts to make him my main suspect.

Another suspect - yeah, you know what's coming - is Nilp. Yes, along with Lhuna, a bad day for that family from this corner, but hey, like they say, evil: keep it in the family. (They don't say that? Ah, sure they do...) I mean, partly, I feel inclined to vote for Nilp purely to serve him right for all that suicidicality earlier, but whether it is a hugely elaborate double bluff....Oh, I don't know! But he will be one of the main ones who I will be watching (for what that's worth with this tricky carnivore) today, although I shall not vote yet...

[malkatoj]

Well, clearly we have a good Ranger here. We've done well this night, aside from the loss of Eluchil--villagers, please post and vote, we really can't afford to lose people.

People I find at all suspicious:

TGWBS: I'm very suspicious of his almost complete lack of posting. Has anyone else noticed that he comes in every day with nothing to say except a bandwagon vote, no reasoning behind it? It's unnerving, and as of right now, he will probably get my vote.
Alcarillo: I don't like yesterday's vote, but he doesn't seem especially suspicious because of it, just kind of random and needing to get a vote in--I know that feeling, so I can't rightfully call him suspicious for it.
Lhunardawen: I still don't like her vote from yesterday--too little reasoning, and could easily be a wolf unable to see suspicion when she knows who people really are. She's near the top of my suspicions, for now.
Gurthang: Still slightly suspicious because of his tying Nilp and Gil-Galad on DAY one, but he had reasons behind it. Possible wolf, but not anything definite.
Nilpaurion Felagund: saved by Garin, of course, though that could have simply been Garin joining the predominant bandwagon at the time. He's suspicious, but I wouldn't go so far as to cry wolf.


I'm also willing to bet that at least one wolf voted for Garin as a cover. This list includes:

Farael
Rune
Azaelia
Valier
Kuruharan
Gurthang

The only overlap between the two lists is Gurthang, which makes him a teensy bit more suspicious, but as he's one of the least of my worries the first list, so I probably won't be voting for him as of yet, but it's always possible that I change my mind.

[Kuruharan]

Then there is Kuruharan. He pursued Garin from Day 1, which speaks largely in his favour. Then we can be fairly certain he is indeed innocent, were he not such a shrewd merchant who I could easily see sacrificing all his fellows for a personal victory.

Stop and think about that for a minute. How would you react if you were one of my cohorts in crime and I were acting like this? “Not well” would be my guess, and I’m pretty sure most anybody else would react the same way.

I’m exactly what I appear to be, just an innocent ordo trying to get by. I trust we need not waste further time on me.

Now, to a quick record of Garin’s (relevant) posting.

DAY ONE

Post 51 – Tells Nilp to stop looking at him with such suspicion-odd remark for a wolf to make considering Nilp had not posted yet.

Post 88 – Began sparring with Gurthang over the Seer plan

Post 91 – tells Nilp to stop being suicidal-and makes a curious bluffing reference

Post 93 – says Nilp is too crazy to be guilty

Post 104 – continues to spar with Gurthang

Post 109 – In agreement with Cailín, tells people not to vote for Nilp

Post 118 – started arguing with Farael, questions the motives of anybody who votes for Nilp

Post 140 – votes for Gil-Galad

DAY TWO

Post 147 - believes Nilp to be not-guilty by reason of insanity, continues bickering with Gurthang

Post 166 – Defends his saving of Nilp (which is not particularly suspicious under the circumstances), continues to spar with Gurthang

Post 174 – begins attacking Valier

Post 179 – “Would like to think Gurthang innocent” but continues to argue anyway

Post 190 – Will probably vote for Valier or Lhuna; just for a little variety, pokes at Farael rather than Gurthang

Post 193 – Still squabbling with Gurthang (is anybody else detecting a pattern here?)

Post 207 – Says he will not vote for Valier

Post 223 – Votes Lhunardawen

Gurthang

I’m finding this continual bickering with Gurthang to be curiously troubling. On the face of it, this should speak in Gurthang’s favor. However, the relentlessness of it seems rather imprudent behavior for a wolf toward a villager. Especially considering he never really got close to voting for Gurthang. I may just be turning into a suspicious old dwarf who is constantly looking for subtlety where none exists, but I don’t want us to forget about Gurthang.

Nilpaurion

Odd fellow. As I said above, he beggars rational reaction. He and Garin had quite the interesting relationship, no doubt. Garin defended Nilpaurion almost continually. That in and of itself is enough to bring on suspicion, particularly after Garin initially began by questioning Nilp.

Unfortunately, I have to admit I’m not entirely satisfied in the conclusion that Nilp is a wolf based on this evidence. For some reason this nagging doubt remains. However, it might be worthwhile to kill Nilp just to find out.

Amanaduial

I thought our cobbler was already dead. Yet, oddly enough, she seems to go about sowing confusion of one sort or another wherever she goes. This is not necessarily wolfish behavior, but we should keep our eye on her.

By the way…

Cobbler- The Cobbler appears as an Innocent Villager to the Seer, and has all the same powers or lack thereof, of any of the Villagers. His goal is to assist the Werewolf team.
-Modendacil post 2

The cobbler doesn’t know who the wolves are.

Lhunardawen

I find this obsession that some people seem to have with lynching Lhuna to be a bit bizarre. The evidence has never seemed that convincing to me and the theory presented toDAY just seems…strange. I’m not at all saying that we should forget her. I am saying that we probably can stick her on the back burner for a bit until something a little more useful comes up.

At the moment I think that Alcarillo, Farael, and Valier are probably in the clear.

Alcarillo because he was the first to very hastily vote for Garin and a hasty vote for a fellow wolf would be both unnecessary at that point and weird.

Farael because he also entertained early suspicions of Garin.

Valier because she became something of Garin’s other punching bag (besides Gurthang) yesterDAY.

I’m not intending to waste any time suspecting them toDAY unless something really strange happens.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I agree with others, for reasons already stated, that Nilp is probably someone we should be looking at. His interactions with Garin are interesting enough to beg further discussion.

It seems to me that they knew each other in more than just passing, from the way they were interacting, and I think it's more than fairly possible that Garin was waiting to see if Nilp needed saving...His comment at the time about waiting to see if he was going to be lynched was strange since he seemed to be in no immediate danger. In the context of the vote depending on Nilp needing saving, I think it makes sense.

Now that we know Garin was a wolf, I am more willing to let my suspicion of Valier go...they wouldn't have had that dispute if both were wolves, it looks to me like too much of a gamble.

TGWBS also makes me nervous, though not so nervous as Nilp...His lack of input seems rather uncharacteristic, which worries me. However, it could be that there are circumstances in RL that we don't know about, so I'll let him slide by for just a little while longer before I start really wondering about him. Innocent until proven guilty, and silence alone is not enough to condemn someone.

I'd also like to know who needed the protection last night. It's an interesting turn of events.

[Eluchíl]

Hey...just because I'm dead doesn't I can't invite you. I mean, I still have manners. :D Besides, I died very uncharacteristically, give me a break.

[malkatoj]

Actually, Eluchil, it DOES mean you aren't supposed to talk on this thread anymore.

[Lhunardawen]

Ironic, ain't it? A proven wolf votes for you spitefully and the next day you find your head in line for the gallows...

But I don't blame you all. I know I've been a worthless villager for the past Days; this malady of mine has been hindering me so badly that I can barely make out anything before I have to leave to attend to my duties. But toDay I can say that I probably know more than I did the previous Days.

Wonderful job by the way, Ranger. Thanks a lot for that.

So, I've already explained my vote for Nilp on Day1. If you find that weak, I can do nothing about that. All I can say is, my brother can be more tricksy than you think. For all we know he's been building the perfect cover and this is the time he can finally get to use it. But right now I sincerely believe he's innocent.

As for my Eluchil vote yesterday...it's not my fault if there's really nothing I can glean from the posts to make a sensible enough vote. Call me a monster if you will, but at least he's one less villager to worry about.

Yesterday's votes were probably a bit more revealing than we think they are. Studying them, I find one vote which for me stood out the most: Naria's. Her vote for Cailin placed her and me in a double-tie and it could have been an attempt to save Garin.

I can also say with some certainty that Cailin is innocent, for she could have voted for me to save her skin, but she didn't.

I don't have the time, but please look carefully at Naria. Hopefully we'll bag one more werewolf ere the Day ends.

See you all later, I hope.

[Meneltarmacil]

Interesting, this Nilp-is-a-werewolf idea, heh heh heh. I'm thinking that's a good idea, and the logic in it pretty clear. I'm probably going to vote for him toDay.

As for Lhuna, I'm not sure what to make of her. Her vote for him, as someone has said, does fit her usual voting pattern. The possibility does exist that she is a Wolf, though. I'm very uncertain about her right now.

My suggestion is this: Lynch Nilpaurion Felagund toDay, while having the Seer ask Garin whether Lhuna's a wolf during the Night.

[Farael]

I'm not sold yet against Nilp yet if you add my thoughts to Kuruharan's dissection of Garin's posts Nilp's prospects look grim.

Let's start by taking into account that Garin argued a fair bit with me, Valier and Gurthang. As I know I'm innocent and I don't suspect Valier at all (for the time being at least) we could assume that Gurthang is innocent, just on the basis of Garin arguing with him, as that wolf's MO seems to be arguing against innocents and trying to raise suspicion against them.

I’m finding this continual bickering with Gurthang to be curiously troubling. On the face of it, this should speak in Gurthang’s favor. However, the relentlessness of it seems rather imprudent behavior for a wolf toward a villager. Especially considering he never really got close to voting for Gurthang

I would agree with that if it wasn't because I see Valier as being innocent and I know I am as well. I'm willing to give Gurthang another night to prove his usefulness. Also, if I'm not mistaken Gurthang was the one to settle Garin's fate, as the voting was tied 5-5 with Lhuna before he voted.

On the other hand, while WolvGarin did adress Nilp it did not seem he was trying to raise suspicions against him, furthermore he was defending him. This is a clear break from his MO as Garin seemed all to ready to suspect everyone he talked to. It's fairly weak grounds but the evidence is slowly mounting against Nilp.

Regarding Lhuna's "guilt" (or lack thereof) Garin voted for her last night, tying their scores, again if my math doesn't fail me... it doesn't seem a wise move to have two werewolves as the top suspects for the lynching, as it would go bad for the wolves no matter who got lynched. I'm willing to bet on Lhuna's innocence for the time being, just based on that fact.

Those are my thoughts for now... I'll keep thinking and get back to you later... Long live the Ranger!!!!

[Farael]

As for Lhuna, I'm not sure what to make of her. Her vote for him, as someone has said, does fit her usual voting pattern. The possibility does exist that she is a Wolf, though. I'm very uncertain about her right now.

My suggestion is this: Lynch Nilpaurion Felagund toDay, while having the Seer ask Garin whether Lhuna's a wolf during the Night.

Cross-posted with Menel and Lhuna... could someone please review last day's voting? I don't trust myself for that task, I'm afraid and I think we are sticking too much to the first day's voting while more clues could be found on the second day... if what I said on my last post is right, we might be better off looking away from Lhuna (as Garin voted for her, bringing her "score" up to a tie with him) and away from Gurthang who seemed to have sealed Garin's destiny.

And why did I quote Menel? well, how are we going to know what the Seer finds out? unless he/she knows a werewolf already, he/she should remain silent I think. Although if the seer knows a wolf, he/she should talk immediately as we can lynch the wolf today, have the apprentice ask him tonight about someone else and we would know a couple of innocents assuming:
-The Seer asked about two persons to Moderacil
-The Seer asked about someone else to Garin
-The Seer is obviously not a wolf
That would take four people out of the question, and as I only support the seer coming forward if he knows for sure about a wolf, that'd mean we get rid of another wolf and get four confirmed innocents. I think it's a fair bargain, don't you? furthermore, the Ranger can still protect the seer one more night (assuming he protected him last night and not someone else)

[Naria]

Now that the seer has a wolf to talk too, I think that it would be a really good idea for that person to come forward and help out us villagers.

Does anyone else think this would be a good choice? Garin's vote now really seems like a 'save Nilp' push. I've always worried that Nilpaurion would be able to use his consistant 'lynch me' as a cover for when he really was a werewolf. I think this might be that time. He'll be high on my list when voting comes, but the Day is young.

That was exactly my point in the first day. I either didn't make myself too clear with the way that I chose my wording or everyone just didn't want too see that maybe, just maybe this "crazy" Nilpaurion could be playing the same way before in other games(psycho) and could be a wolf this time.

I have a few other suspicions as well but I'll leave that for a bit later.

[Valier]

Well this has been a fairly informative day! Yeah for the Ranger! Us villagers got to keep another innocent(hopefully).I think I Will put all my thoughts on everyone down for the record,because I will only be able to post a quick post in the morning to vote,so if my vote seems hasty that will be the reason.


People I'm pretty sure are innocent-Farael,
Rune
Kuruharan,
Gurthang

Mainly because they have had the same views as me,as well as half the stuff they write I have also thought of but they beat me to the chase (no insult,Great minds think alike remember)

People I'm not quite sure of.. yet-Alcarillo
Amanaduial
Azaelia[/B
[B]Naria
These three are a bit puzzling to me,They sometimes agree with me then other times,they suspect me.Haven't heared to much about Alcarillo So it's hard to judge but I remember reading a post in the beginning of Garin saying he would not vote for Alcarillo on respite but thought him innocent.Could be a wolf protecting another,maybe?

Meneltarmecil-This guy ...well gives me the creeps.I just don't get him yet he "Howls at the moon" is that a good sign really?

Cailin-I have been suspisious of her since the beginning,but theres not much to go on,she did vote for two innocents, and has been suspisious of me and defensive with anyone who accuses her.I think she is innocent though..safe for the day anyways.her defensiveness is a natural reaction of an innocent.

TGWBS-His lack of posts is odd,But his points on Lhuna are sound.

Lhunardawen-I have a feeling....don't quite know yet

Nilpaurion Felagund-My vote will more than likely be for him I don't believe the crazy stuff.I'm curious as to weather to lynch him to see,or go a little differently.

Malkatoj-I have a bbbaaddddd feeling about this one though I'm not sure I'll act on it yet,or if I should even.

So I'll try to read any posts in the morning before school,then I'll vote then.
I hope we catch a wolf! And I hope my votes a good one. I know I didn't state any thing new but mostly everything said today is the way I was thinking.The seer should come forth if they know anything..till tommorow ciao

[Alcarillo]

Valier, you are mistaken that Garin said he thought I was innocent. He simply stated he would not cast a retribution vote against me.
As for the seer/apprentice situation I am beginning to be swayed towards the idea the more I think about it. So is that suspicious?
I doubt I will cast a retribution vote against Alcarillo. I hold no ill regard towards Cailin although some have already cast suspicion upon he/she in previous posts. I will save my vote for later. Again sticking my neck out. Because early votes can be dismissed as random while later votes can be seen as agenda driven.

My suggestion is this: Lynch Nilpaurion Felagund toDay, while having the Seer ask Garin whether Lhuna's a wolf during the Night.
Although if the seer knows a wolf, he/she should talk immediately as we can lynch the wolf today, have the apprentice ask him tonight about someone else and we would know a couple of innocents assuming:
-The Seer asked about two persons to Moderacil
-The Seer asked about someone else to Garin
-The Seer is obviously not a wolf
That would take four people out of the question, and as I only support the seer coming forward if he knows for sure about a wolf, that'd mean we get rid of another wolf and get four confirmed innocents. I think it's a fair bargain, don't you? furthermore, the Ranger can still protect the seer one more night (assuming he protected him last night and not someone else)
So, if the Seer knows a werewolf, he or she should proclaim his Seership, name the werewolf, and we lynch it. Then the Seer, under the protection of the Ranger, asks Garin about Lhuna. If the Seer names no werewolf (or the werewolf is Nilp), then we lynch Nilp. Sounds like a sound plan to me.

[Farael]

So, if the Seer knows a werewolf, he or she should proclaim his Seership, name the werewolf, and we lynch it. Then the Seer, under the protection of the Ranger, asks Garin about Lhuna. If the Seer names no werewolf (or the werewolf is Nilp), then we lynch Nilp. Sounds like a sound plan to me.

I wouldn't go as far as to coherce others into my voting choices.... but the first part is true, if the seer knows a werewolf he/she should say it, be protected by the ranger while he/she asks Garin and then probably die the next night, but at the same time the apprentice can ask the newly dead werewolf (the one we'd lynch tonight if the seer came out)

[Gurthang]

I find this obsession that some people seem to have with lynching Lhuna to be a bit bizarre. The evidence has never seemed that convincing to me and the theory presented toDAY just seems…strange. I’m not at all saying that we should forget her. I am saying that we probably can stick her on the back burner for a bit until something a little more useful comes up.
I agree with this statement (to an extent). I would consider lynching Nilp a much higher priorety. I think we can wait on lynching Lhuna, but we certainly shouldn't forget about her.

Also, you actually bring up a good point about me and Garin. That's probably one of the reasons I ended up voting for him (although it hadn't really occured to me at the time.) His constant badgering was to the point that I had just started to ignore him. After one last response (my post 192?) I did not mention him again except when thinking out loud who to vote for. Although, I didn't really say much at all after that point. :rolleyes:

Kuru, you are making sense to me, and that points to your innocence in my eyes.

Malkatoj-I have a bbbaaddddd feeling about this one though I'm not sure I'll act on it yet,or if I should even.

I echo that feeling. I just can't shake that there's something not quite right about her. But I doubt I'll be voting just because I have a bad feeling... not toDay anyway, when I'm more sure of Nilp.

Everyone who is talking about what the Seer should do should take into account that the Seer may have already spoken to Garin. In which case they can not do so again.

I'm going to compile the votes and do an analysis. It might take a little while; maybe half an hour.

[Farael]

Here's my attempt at a compilation of votes from yesterday, let me know if I missed something

Alcarillo- Callin (Cailin 1)
Lhuna - Eluchil (Cailin 1 - Eluchil 1)
Amanduial - Lhuna (Cailin 1 - Eluchil 1 - Lhuna 1)
Nilp - Cailin (Cailin 2 - Eluchil 1 - Lhuna 1)
Farael- Garin (Cailin 2 - Eluchil 1 - Lhuna 1 - Garin 1)
Malkatoj - Lhuna (Cailin 2 - Eluchil 1 - Lhuna 2 - Garin 1)
Rune - Garin (Cailin 2 - Eluchil 1 - Lhuna 2 - Garin 2)
TGBS - Lhuna (Cailin 2 - Eluchil 1 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 2)
Naria - Cailin (Cailin 3 - Eluchil 1 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 2)
Azaelia - Garin (Cailin 3 - Eluchil 1 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 3)
Cailin - Eluchil (Cailin 3 - Eluchil 2 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 3)
Valier - Garin (Cailin 3- Eluchil 2 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 4)
Kuruharan - Garin (Cailin 3 - Eluchil 2 - Lhuna 3 - Garin 5)
Garin - Lhuna (Cailin 3 - Eluchil 2 - Lhuna 4 - Garin 5)
Gurthang - Garin (Cailin 3 - Eluchil 2 - Lhuna 4 - Garin 6)

I see I made a mistake as Garin's vote against Lhuna did not take him out of the lead, although it would have helped anyone trying to save him. On that note, I'm not as sure I could argue completely for Gurthang's innocense based solely in the voting, as he might have realized that either way Garin was lost and chose to cut with his (possibly) fellow werewolf rather than taking the fall with him. Still, I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate as I do not suspect Gurthang at the moment.

I think that Garin's vote for Lhuna pretty much saves her from most suspicion, yet there might be another wolf who voted for Lhuna early on. Those who voted for Lhuna were:
-Amanduial
-TGWBS
-Malkatoj

The three have been fairly silent and while Malkatoj has said it is because of his schooling, I can't recall if TGWBS or Amanduial had any excuses. IT seems the tide is heading against Nilp for tonight and unless something unexpected happens (and it may) he will probably be lynched, but I'd suggest we take a close look at those individuals as well.

Those are my thoughts for now.

[Kuruharan]

On that note, I'm not as sure I could argue completely for Gurthang's innocense based solely in the voting, as he might have realized that either way Garin was lost and chose to cut with his (possibly) fellow werewolf rather than taking the fall with him. Still, I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate as I do not suspect Gurthang at the moment.

Just to elaborate on this point for future reference (if really untoward things start happening, and any survivors want to come back and see this) if Gurthang had voted for Lhuna it would not have made any difference in Garin’s fate because Garin was the first to 5. Gurthang could have been thinking of providing cover for himself because there was no point in not voting for Garin. But this is all just a theory to keep in mind. Like Farael, I don't propose following this up at the moment.

I think the Nilpaurion question needs to be settled one way or another before we proceed on to other decisions. If things start going all pear-shaped, then we can start hashing over more outlandish theories. At the moment we have a clearer trail to investigate…although I’m not sure how much more useful there is to be said. Nilpaurion is probably not going to take this lying down whether he is guilty or innocent. That is when the real “fun” is going to begin. However, I think the case against him is pretty much made now…although the village is open to possibilities.

I think that Garin's vote for Lhuna pretty much saves her from most suspicion, yet there might be another wolf who voted for Lhuna early on. Those who voted for Lhuna were:
-Amanduial
-TGWBS
-Malkatoj

Nothing is more likely. I think this is probably the trail to follow next after the Nilp issue is settled.

As for the Seer stuff that is being bandied about…

At this moment, I’m not sure I favor the Seer coming forward even if they do have the name of a wolf. If the name they have is Nilpaurion, he stands a fair chance of getting the chop toDAY anyway. I don’t want the Seer put at risk for that when he/she would be in a position to find out another name from Nilpaurion. However, if the name is somebody else than Nilp, then Nilp’s status is still at issue and we have to find out about that anyway. The Seer can (hopefully) come forward with the name later, whether Nilp is a wolf or not.

Of course, it is also pretty likely that the Seer only has the names of innocents. This is certainly useful knowledge that I don’t particularly want, even temporarily, lost before the Apprentice could pick it up.

Obviously, the Seer will have to make the decision, but for the moment I would strongly urge caution.

[Alcarillo]

Well, the time for sleep draws ever closer in my timezone, so I feel that the best vote I can cast today is for

++Nilpaurion Felagund