WWJ III - Nan Qualinmerë: Death Wish Valley

[Roa_Aoife]

Ummm, is anyone still out there?

[Valesse]

hmm? Sorry.

Must have started dreaming about Gandalf again. :p

[Garin]

I missed the note that the mod gods extended the deadline. I can say that the village is in the midst of making a big mistake. I know little of Gandalf and Wayne. Abercrombie simply strikes me as wolfish. Anguirel strikes me as suspicious but voted against a wolf. I don't have much to go on, I'm still recovering from starting the Shelob bandwagon after Ang's prodding. I wanted to know why people voted against an innocent and didn't receive a decent answer. I am now in the the same position and am inclined to accept my fate and hope the village can find a wolf through my death.

[Garin]

Kath regarding Aber: Knowingly targeting an innocent villager? Knowingly? Which innocent would this be Garin, how would she know unless she were a wolf
Exactly.
My vote against Aber stands, remember I retracted from you Kath.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

More Garin arguing, eh? As I've said before, Garin just gets more suspicious by the minute. I still suggest we try not to make the same mistake as we did with Shelob and focus on only one person though. And Garin, please contribute your ideas to our proposals and don't scoff at them. Your contributions will be telling if you're an innocent.

Now, Roa makes an excellent point about a Wayne-Garin connection; something I'd never quite noticed before. I want to go back and re-read Wayne's post, but I assure you, I'll be back.

However, we don't quite have a great window of opportunity though, and not nearly enough chance to lynch someone just because they have been unhelpful, so I think it's best if there is an in-depth study of each player. Maybe it will lead us to something we didn't pick up on before. I know that other villages have tried this before and I'm not quite sure if it'll be successful, but I can't think of anything else that we should do. I'm really stuck, because there are too many cases right now and I can't process them all. Maybe we should write the wolves a note:

Dear Wolves,
If you could do us a teeny favour and let something slip, that'd be awesome. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Your Terrorized Village

Think it'll work? ;)

[Garin]

Abercrombie, I know I am innocent but have a tendency to seem wolfish. Those who voted for me tend to be ignorant innocents but a wolf is in the mix. You can save me tonight, due to retractable votes, but I would be suprised to survive the night. I think I see a wolf and my death will tell very much.

[Valier]

Roa makes an excellent point about a Wayne-Garin connection

I don't have time this evening or tomorrow morning to read any new posts before the vote.

But I also think there may be a wolfish connection between these two.I will try to go into detail a bit more tomorrow about their posts but now I'm pressed for time.

++Wayne

I've just thought his posts are odd, The Garin situation is a little annoying, I hate the bickering.But I guess the paranoia is starting to set in. I will stick with my vote now,not neccisarily to lynch him tonight, but maybe to look sternly at tomorrow. Garin's doing a fine job of getting himself lynched, without my vote against him.

Hope we catch a wolf today! :)

[Anguirel]

Garin seems absolutely determined to see me dead, struggling with every post-though it evidently requires a struggle-to pin me down as a wolf; but if anything this seems to me a sign of consistency.

If only tar-ancalime had lived to tell us the tale! I'm beginning to think there might be more use in lynching Wayne after all...

But no. This time, uniquely, I must dig in deep and stick to my position; in fact, take a leaf from Garin's own book. Uncomfortable though his pleas have made me, that is one approach for a wolf about to reach the gallows; and on balance, I believe that is what Garin is likely to be.

Apart from him, I suspect both the silent ones, Wayne and Gandalf. Even if Gandalf is innocent, he's in danger of harming the village by being killed for non-participation. Kath, if Garin is indeed guilty, seems pretty solidly innocent or a complete genius.

[Gandalf_the _white]

sorry for the small amount of posts but as i've said before i can't easily get to a computer, that is the only reason for my absence i have no plans.(due to my inexperience at werewolf games)
valesse your starting to scare me :D
i don't want to band wagon but i'm tempted to vote Garin aswell as he does seem suspicious i won't vote yet so i can see if he can mount a good enough defence

[WaynetheGoblin]

Im very sorry that I didnt post alot toady. In this game I have a vote evry day wow thats new. The wolfs are also very smart to have gotten rid of all are gifteds thats why I will start looking at people with alot of post like garin and angurul but I also will vote for someone I now suspect on the top of my list.
++Garin
Gandalf you are now 2nd on my list. I still think you are a wolf because when you get a vote you vote for the person that voted for you which is what I did when I was a wolf. Im keeping my eyes on you.

[Gandalf_the _white]

Wayne i wouldn't have a clue about your tactics as i didn't even look through any werewolf games before signing up for this one and this is my first game i have no idea about tactics or anything
also i don't see why you find me suspicious, i just have problems getting to a computer all the time and that is the truth
and (sorry to drag on) i've only voted once and did that because I think you suspicious for the same reasons you find me suspicious

[Mithalwen]

I am not convinced by Garin's arguments - especially his attacks on Anguirel. I really think the Thinlomion vote on a first day would be unecessarily risky for a woluf...adn I still get the impression that our Seer cleared him....

However that seems increasingly academic...... Tar bracketed Wayne and Garin.

If I have no inspiration during the afternoon (unlikely on current form).. do we go for a double lynch?

I not sure I have the skill to work out probablitiles.. but perhaps one of you does... normally I would not be infavour of lynching more than necessary but now we have lost our gifteds the BEST case scenario is that we lose an innocent a night ... worst is noone dies and the wolves get a new member.. I just want to put up the idea that it may be worth trying to wind this up quickly to minimize the lycanthropes recruitment opportunities....

[Anguirel]

An interesting point, Mith. Particularly as the few dead villagers so far mean the Cursed Villager is extremely likely to be at large still.

But we should only head for a double lynch if a majority are confident about Garin's wolvishness. The loss of two innocents would be bad for the all-important village morale, already a new low, and would still nowhere near guarantee the elimination of the Cursed Villager.

As I'm pretty certain Garin's a wolf, though, I support this plan for now.

And while I don't suspect Wayne on any reasonable grounds other than the usual irritation he provokes, it would be a major victory from the brink of defeat if we hung both the varlet wolves today.

To be honest I'd rather hang Garin and Gandalf if it came to a double-lynch as the latter's presence seems to be entirely, but entirely, pointless...

[Roa_Aoife]

Voting thus far:

Garin-- Kath
Ang-- Garin
Crombie-- Garin
Garin-- Retracts vote for Kath, votes for Crombie
Kath-- Garin
Valesse-- Garin
Valier-- Wayne
Wayne-- Garin


A double Lynch loooks unlikely at this point. Garin has 5 votes, and the only other two who have recieved votes are only 1 a piece.

[Anguirel]

Yes, but we can retract votes if need be-though since I think Wayne's probably guiltless, I'd rather stick to Garin myself.

[Roa_Aoife]

I just noticed somtething after posting my list. Day 1, the first vote was Ang's shot in the dark, followed by Garin's vote for Ang. Day 2, the first vote was Gandalf's mandatory Wayne vote, which again followed quickly by Garin's vote for Ang, which was later changed to Shelob. Today, Garin started voting with a vote for Kath, which he then retracted and switched to Abercrombie.

Why so hasty, my friend? Just because we have retractable votes doesn't mean you should abuse them.

Also, now that the connection to Garin has been established, I see Wayne is turning colors, quickly, and with little expalnation. If he were a wolf, it would make sense to seperate. If he's innocent, well, he should be here more to defend himself.

[Valesse]

valesse your starting to scare me :D
Don't feel left out, now I'm starting to scare myself! :p

Not that we need it. Dark times... Dark times...

I don't know much about Wayne besides the pleasentries of working together with him, so I haven't really gotten a feel for him or the other frustratingly forever-fled folks of Mejis. ... And just because I said it that way doesn't determine what I mean by that. I don't much like touching people in general.

If Gandalf and Wayne are the wolves -and not Garin, as it pretty much seems- they are very very clever, but there are still other people here and posting like a wildfire that could very well be wolvish. I'm wary yet to point any fingers since there are large odds that we won't double lynch both wolves.

Also... would the cursed have dropped any hints as to who they are yet? Has anyone felt as if they've spotted one?

[Roa_Aoife]

The only hint sounding vaguely like the cursed was in fact Garin, when he siad that the wolves would do well to kill him.

[Anguirel]

Indeed, but that's neither here nor there. The cursed villager should not know he is cursed. Unless our esteemed moderator made a slight slip, in which case it would certainly explain much of Garin's inflated sense of his own importance...

EDIT: Here's the exact quotation. Cursed - Has the blood of Wolf in him/her yet doesn't know it.

Garin, if you have been told you're the Cursed Villager, best to own up, I suppose. Not that we'll know whether to believe you, but it'll help confirm if any mistake has been made.

[Valesse]

That doesn't sound very optimistic, Roa.

I believe that was (in game) yesterDAY, am I correct? And they attacked Fea instead...

It occured to me that we've been assuming that tar has had... well... a few too many dreams. I've heard of Eomer, Shelob, Feanor (which is the only one we know for sure), and Wayne. Though she basically gave it to us that she did not dream of Garin:But rather than put the spotlight on ME for not voting, I decided it would be better to shine a little light on someone who's not sitting right with me.
Please, everyone. Just because tar voted for someone or said something of them does not equivicate a dream. Mind I do not say this in my own defense as it seems no one but Ang has been verbally suspicious of me if my memory serves me right but rightly so.

We don't have much time left, and after all of toDAY I don't believe Garin will make much of a move to exonorate himself. At least what he has done so far just seems to have gotten him in deeper and deeper trouble and distrust. So let us spend it wisely, hmm? Perhaps instead of posting we go back and read?

Thank you, Ang. I should have looked it up myself, but these hours aren't good for a late night show girl.

[Garin]

Garin, if you have been told you're the Cursed Villager, best to own up, I suppose.
No, our mod did not inform me that I was cursed, as the rules state. As for my importance, I can only say that the village will be down 2 gifteds and 2 ordos by the end of the day. The wolves are desperate being one down but stand a better chance if the village doesn't listen to reason and continues to act foolishly.

[Roa_Aoife]

You've given very little reason in your defense, Garin. Angrily lashing out, while understandable, won't help your case. At least Shelob made meaningful posts before she died. You've contributed nothing but vague suspicion.

However, I will not be party to a bandwagon again.

++WAYNETHEGOBLIN

This will be my last post of the day, unless voting continues till 10:30 EST. ((The other thread has me confused.))

[Garin]

I switched my vote from Kath because although she seems to have it out for me, she seemed convinced of Shelob's innocence near the end and almost upset that we were lynching her. I have given Kath the benefit of the doubt for now, however if/when I am lynched I propose you examine her in depth.

[Garin]

At least Shelob made meaningful posts before she died.
And they were so successful.

[Valesse]

It is reason that has made us suspect you, Garin... who defends himself by asking "Well what about..."! Your stratagy is one discernable and fractured. What fills those rifts? Insults?

People do not like to be called fools or many of the other names you have released upon us in backlash. Its hurtful, much less rude. All of the villagers voting for you have a reason, be it their own or through arguement, and I know that has to be hard on your bravado to not be able to waylay this end... but do not pull us down in our esteem with you. The rest of the villagers have been careful to mind other's feelings even under the assumption of wolvery... and even then so if the case be made of name calling. If I had not a reason to vote for you already, it would be purely to rid of your unkindness to other's feelings.

I hope your next game and many to come benefit from what I and others have said. Consider yourself admonished.

[Anguirel]

That doesn't sound very optimistic, Roa.

I believe that was (in game) yesterDAY, am I correct? And they attacked Fea instead...

It occured to me that we've been assuming that tar has had... well... a few too many dreams. I've heard of Eomer, Shelob, Feanor (which is the only one we know for sure), and Wayne. Though she basically gave it to us that she did not dream of Garin:
Please, everyone. Just because tar voted for someone or said something of them does not equivicate a dream. Mind I do not say this in my own defense as it seems no one but Ang has been verbally suspicious of me if my memory serves me right but rightly so.

We don't have much time left, and after all of toDAY I don't believe Garin will make much of a move to exonorate himself. At least what he has done so far just seems to have gotten him in deeper and deeper trouble and distrust. So let us spend it wisely, hmm? Perhaps instead of posting we go back and read?

Thank you, Ang. I should have looked it up myself, but these hours aren't good for a late night show girl.

I don't see why you think we know for sure she dreamt of Fea, or why you think her comment rules out Garin.

I stick to the thesis that she dreamt-

Eomer, (Night 1) Shelob, (Night 2) Garin, (interrupted Night 3)

And I never suspected you particularly, Valesse. Of the Eonwe voters I ended up suspecting and momentarily voting for Kath...

[Valesse]

I don't know if I should feel a glow to that, Ang, as it seems those without village suspicion seem to be more often dismembered.

I was under the assumption that was who she was dreaming of the night of her death. I don't claim to know exactly how some of the gifted gifts work.

[Garin]

Valesse, thanks for the advice. But i stand by my outbursts. Shelob was idiotic in her suicide, and the village is foolish for being swayed by the wolf who somewhere stands in a vote against me.

[Kath]

Are we still going? I thought everything would have finished by now. Anyway, whatever the case I will stick with my vote for Garin. Right now even if he isn't a wolf at least we get rid of someone who seems to be being deliberately unhelpful.

Now, someone suggested a double lynch and right now I would suggest that we don't do that. At the moment we (most of us) seem very certain of Garin's guilt, and are treating him as though he has already been lynched and found guilty. However, this is not yet the case, and until we know for certain one way or the other I don't think we should bring anyone else into it, especially since a lot of the suspicion against Wayne and Gandalf (the candidates for the double) has been gleaned from Garin's posts.

However, whether Garin is guilty or not a double lynch of Wayne and Gandalf might be an idea tomorrow, to ensure all those left are people that we can get information from as the actually post! Also, whoever saw that Wayne and Gandalf seem to vote antagonistically had a good point, and with one newbie and one Wayne that could indeed point to wolvishness.

[Garin]

we get rid of someone who seems to be being deliberately unhelpful.
Please explain, I am trying to help the village.

[Anguirel]

I don't know if I should feel a glow to that, Ang, as it seems those without village suspicion seem to be more often dismembered.

I was under the assumption that was who she was dreaming of the night of her death. I don't claim to know exactly how some of the gifted gifts work.

I, fortunately, do. Only Huntership and Cursedness are outside my ken of personal experience.

Many years ago-in the first recorded attack by werewolves on a village-my great-great-great-many-greats uncle, Sir Anguirel the Dastard, was, to our family's never-expiated shame, exposed as a wolf.

In a desperate attempt to atone for his uncle's crime, the Dastard's nephew, my great-great-many-greats-grand-father, swore upon his sword to protect the villagers of the land. He was slain fighting wolves soon afterwards disguised as a local blacksmith.

Our family's moment of glory came when the son of a junior line, Master Anguirel the Just, an itinerant justice, saved the fourth village to fall victim to a wolvish invasion, though he sacrificed his life for the cause. To this day the Anguirelli pray for his soul at our private chapel.

Much later, an illegitimate son of Lord Anguirel X, Anguirel "Wolfcloak", who had become a notoriously scurrilous bandit, fought 'gainst wolves at Tinseltown and though his efforts were vain, we still honour him as the bravest of our clan.

At Erbar Telemarth itself Sir Anguirel the Fair was foully lynched by the votes of wolves, but before he died he left his sword to a Hunter who quickly avenged his death with the enchanted blade. (The sword hangs on my mantelpiece to this day.)

At Shamville, a cousin of the hero Wolfcloak, a lowly jester, witnessed the horrors of that place of torture and helped drag it to its ruin, for though a villager he was as foolish as his profession suggests.

Rumour even has it that one member of our family, a bard, long ago infiltrated Tol-in-Gaurhoth itself, and brought back a strange story of wolves fighting among themselves.

I am the last of my line. And I do not intend to quail or surrender, young though I may be.

(ahem)

Enough of family history. The narration means nothing. tar need not necessarily have dreamed of Fea.

And as for your night-time safety, lady Valesse-you're a wolf. Feel better?

[Kath]

Please explain, I am trying to help the village.
By insulting those who make reasonable suggestions and speaking ill of the dead? Oh very helpful.

[Garin]

I shall not post anymore for I have a much wood to work with today. I have seen nothing but unexplained votes in this town since day one. I break my back and have helped build this village, I have seen the village swayed by certain Lycans. I share in the desperation of Shelob who died innocent. My disdain for the village reflects hers, because we are not looking at everyone in detail, and going for the easy vote. Again, with a wolf in the mix.

[Garin]

Oh and my vote shall stand......

[Valesse]

Much better. Thank you. :p
You have a very noble family... lets hope associating with a carnie like myself doesn't affect your honor negatively.

Also, whoever saw that Wayne and Gandalf seem to vote antagonistically had a good point, and with one newbie and one Wayne that could indeed point to wolvishness.
It is a quiet tactic... and since neither are here to post often we can't question why they feel the other is a wolf. Its hard to catch them when the length of their time with us is so brief.

Whoever sees them post next ought to make a point to bring this up... even if it is tomorrow (in game). (I'll try to wake up early enough the next couple of days. I feel as if I am coming down with something, however, but that also means that I will not be going to school.)

=Edit= Also: My vote remains as it was yesterday and early this morning.

[Anguirel]

Much better. Thank you. :p
You have a very noble family... lets hope associating with a carnie like myself doesn't affect your honor negatively.

Nonsense. I am sworn to help and succour all damoiselles and maidens.

Trust me, I enjoy it...

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

This is the strangest thing in the world. I have to explain to you now, and I have very little time. (Most of you probably won't believe me at all, but I don't know what else to do, because Glirdan hasn't PMed me back.)

So, last night at around 11:30 EST, Glirdan posted on this thread saying that voting was closed and he would be putting up the death scene for Garin. I responded on the Tol-In-Gaurhoth Junior thread saying that we hadn't had enough time and many people hadn't voted. Apparently, he saw this after he'd already posted the death for Garin and has since deleted it. I swear to you I'm not crazy. The post was there and so now, I know Garin's role. Can I admit it?

GLIRDAN AND GIL-GALAD I'D LIKE YOU TO POSTPONE THE DEATH SCENE UNTIL SOMEONE GIVES ME AN ANSWER ABOUT WHAT I DO IN THIS SITUATION.

I know I must sound out of my mind, but I can quote to you his death scene and everything. I have no idea what this situation calls for. Sorry, everyone.

[Garin]

INTERESTING
So you know the truth, I went to bed after Glirdan said a post was forthcoming. This is an intriguing dilemna for the villagers and the mods, use it wisely.

[Anguirel]

Oh Lord. What a...balls-up.

Just...keep quiet. I'm afraid that's the only advice I can offer. You'd better stay silent today-no one will think worse of you for it. Unless someone thinks of a better idea...

[Mithalwen]

Oh well I think Garin is doomed anyway .... I personally have not been convinced by his protestations but hey noone in my family has spotted a werewolf since my many times great grannie helped lynch Anguirel's dastardly Uncle and one of his fellows before falling victim to the last.......


However this rather suggests you are innocent..

My vote seems irrelevant other than as a fishing trip .. but whom... Wayne bears looking at.. I am still more or less persuaded by Kath.. Valier and Valesse don't have a clue... get muddled!!

[Anguirel]

Oh yes, it's pretty clear from his own gloating reaction he's innocent. But that's exactly why we still have to lynch him. Otherwise we're...cheating...sort of thing...because we know, had we not been given this information, we would have undoubtedly lynched him.

This is where retractable votes become a nightmare. People can now pretend to have "second thoughts"...

[Mithalwen]

++Gandalf

[Garin]

Oh well I think Garin is doomed anyway
Meaning you know me to be innocent Mithalwen?
I said I will no longer post and that my vote stands but due to Aber's honesty, I once again change my mind.....
--Abercrombie ++Mithalwen
Guten Nacht.

[Mithalwen]

Oh sorry Ang I was talking about Abercrombie with theyou seem to be innocent

[Mithalwen]

Meaning you know me to be innocent Mithalwen?
I said I will no longer post and that my vote stands but due to Aber's honesty, I once again change my mind.....
--Abercrombie ++Mithalwen
Guten Nacht.


What ..no ...I didn't mean that..... I only know I am innocent..whatever

[Anguirel]

I hadn't even considered that angle, Mith, but you're right.

The mods got us into this mess. Frankly, I say they should use the Divine Right of mods to get us out of it.

If this ever happens in the future, the person with the extra knowledge must keep quiet, otherwise these type of things, which seriously affect the game, occur...

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Well, I shall decline to vote for today. My retracted vote DOES NOT in anyway indicate Garin's role. I just feel it's best in my position if I don't vote at all today.

--GARIN

[Garin]

If this ever happens in the future, the person with the extra knowledge must keep quiet, otherwise these type of things, which seriously affect the game, occur...
It was noble of Aber to come forth and she did try to contact the mod god first. This really throws a wrench in the plans of the wolves. Try not to be so upset Ang.

[Mithalwen]

OK on reflection, on the trousers of time theory...

When I thought we might have a short "day" last night I was goingt o vote Garin then .. perhaps I should now. I cannot see a satisfactory way out of this... maybe the mods gan..I know I pulled a few weird stunts when I modded....

--Gandalf


arrrrrgh

[Garin]

I say this has been a telling day and if Glirdan wishes to follow yesterday's deadline and lynch me it would probably be best. I offer myself to the village, on a slab, and thus await my fate.

[Mithalwen]

I feel the situation has become...........beyond me..wibble

[Anguirel]

Can we end this farce early? Please? If either of the apes in question are about, I entreat that they post the sacrifice of St Garin the Sanctimonious...

[Garin]

I entreat that they post the sacrifice of St Garin the Sanctimonious
I think I found my new signature wolfie.
lovingly,
Garin

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Garin, be sure to don a helmet...

[Mithalwen]

Oh this is just mean.................

[Glirdan]

Wow!! This is something unheard of. If I post the death, the next Night won't end until tomorrow at the time I would normally post it. Is this ok with everyone?

[Roa_Aoife]

Works for me. I just want this day over. And Garin, with your assinine attitude, good riddance.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Works for me. I just want this day over.

Jes.

[Garin]

Garin, with your assinine attitude, good riddance.
A little pleased to see an innocent die, methinks.
Sure mod, kill me know.

[Glirdan]

Ok. You have accepted the terms of your death. I'll have it up (again :o :rolleyes: ) shortly.

[Glirdan]

That day, after burrying their dead Gifteds, the village returned to the village square, not even bothering to go back to their jobs. They walked up to one another, discussing theories. Finally, when it was time to vote, everyone decided that it was best to be rid of the carpenter. "His lousy carpenting skills broke the gallows!" Roa cried.

"But why? I've been a good friend, haven't I?" he asked. "Why do you want to lynch me?"

"Because. You're the most suspicious. Duh!" Crombie stated bluntly.

"Well, you have no means to lynch me!" Garin cried triumphantly. At this, everyone else murmered in silent agreement.

"Well, we could always use his carpenting tools," Wayne suggested. With that, they tied Garin up and brought him over to his shop. They looked around for the best tools to use to lynch him. "How about the buzz saw!!" Gandalf said. This was met with excited replies. They grabbed Garin, tied him to the buzz saw table and started the machine. "Wait! Please!! Stop!! You're making a big mistake.

"Says you, Wolf!" Ang cried. With that, he pushed the saw closer and closer to Garin's head. As the saw got closer, they all looked away. The last thing they heard was Garin's scream of pain. When they heard the saw stop, they turned around to look at the body of the carpenter. His body was cut neatly in two. Blood was spattered all over the place: on the walls, on the floor and on the other villagers. As they looked in horror at the body of Garin, it fell off the table and the villagers screamed and they ran out of the shop.

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword
Shelob(Ordor) - Day 2 - killed herself with her scciors in sacrifice
tar-ancalime(Seer) - Night 3 - stabbed by spear through the heart
Feanor of the Peredhil(Hunter) - Night 3 -Mauled on both sides
Garin(Ordo) - Day 3 - Buzz sawed neatly in two

Alive
Roa
Ang
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valier
Valesse
Wayne
Crombie

Day 3 is over. Night 4 starts. I only need a name from the Wolves please. I'll have the Night's death up tomorrow up by 10:30pm Eastern time.

[Glirdan]

This is the strangest thing in the world. I have to explain to you now, and I have very little time. (Most of you probably won't believe me at all, but I don't know what else to do, because Glirdan hasn't PMed me back.)

So, last night at around 11:30 EST, Glirdan posted on this thread saying that voting was closed and he would be putting up the death scene for Garin. I responded on the Tol-In-Gaurhoth Junior thread saying that we hadn't had enough time and many people hadn't voted. Apparently, he saw this after he'd already posted the death for Garin and has since deleted it. I swear to you I'm not crazy. The post was there and so now, I know Garin's role. Can I admit it?

GLIRDAN AND GIL-GALAD I'D LIKE YOU TO POSTPONE THE DEATH SCENE UNTIL SOMEONE GIVES ME AN ANSWER ABOUT WHAT I DO IN THIS SITUATION.

I know I must sound out of my mind, but I can quote to you his death scene and everything. I have no idea what this situation calls for. Sorry, everyone.

I will vouch for Crombie on this. I know it is after the posted death, but I have to explain it somewhere and best do it here, where the trouble began. Yes, I did have the post up and yes I deleted it after I saw Crombie's post in the original thread. I also now know that there are a few of you who have seen that post last night. I have no idea what to do in this kind of situation so, I will have to say that anything that you saw LAST NIGHT, please put in the back of your mind and please do NOT use it to your advantage. I'm sorry for the inconvience. Please forgive me!!! :(

Oh, and just another clarification, Crombie is not out of her mind.

[Glirdan]

Crombie woke up in the middle of the night from a horrdi dream invovling her being brutally slaughtered in the middle of the Night. She got up, went to the kitchen to get a cup of water and returned to bed. She layed down, trying to go back to sleep. "O that Garin!!" she thought to herself. "If it weren't for his stupidity for sacrificing himself, we might have been down a Wolf!! But noooo!!" That's when she heard. The snarling of two creatures out on a hunt...

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The village awoke, got dressed and gathered in the square for the daily head count. They were all dismayed, yet not at all surprised, to find one missing from their ranks. "My dear friend Crombie!!" Mith cried. "What evil has befallen upon thee!?" With that, they walked over to Crombie's house and saw that the door was torn off it's hinges. They walked inside, dreading that their worst fears were about to come true. They looked around her living room and saw that everything had been torn apart, and then they saw something that made them scream. Two legs laying on the couch in a bloody mess. They walked into the the bathroom and saw the arms lying in her makeshift tub. Then they walked next door to Crombie's bedroom and saw that everything but her bed had been torn to bits. Laying on the bed was a torso. "Well, we found everything but the head..."started Gandalf. They then walked into the kitchen, fearing what they might see there. They looked around the kitchen and noticed nothing amiss, untill.... "Why is the sink on?" Valesse asked shrilly. Kath walked over to the sink looked in and almost threw up. There, sitting in the water was Crombie's head, blood streaming out of her eye sockets, mouth, ears and nose not to mention where her head was supposed to be attached to her body. In her blood, written on the wall was a message:

8 villagers down, 6 more to go!!

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword
Shelob(Ordor) - Day 2 - killed herself with her scciors in sacrifice
tar-ancalime(Seer) - Night 3 - stabbed by spear through the heart
Feanor of the Peredhil(Hunter) - Night 3 -Mauled on both sides
Garin(Ordo) - Day 3 - Buzz sawed neatly in two
Crombie(Ordo) - Night 4 - Torn to bits and body pieces dispersed through house

Alive
Roa
Ang
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valier
Valesse
Wayne

Day 4 starts. Wolves please stop PMing. Get at it people. You read the message.

[Valesse]

Its a real pity... she had a lovely quilt. :(

I'm hoping Gandalf and/or Wayne read this (since now I know I probably will not be up/around for their usual 'avalible' times), but several of the villagers are curious as to why you have both be nominating each other to vote as wolves. If you could spread some light on this it would be lovely.

Alright... well I guess today's death is for the protection of the game since Abers read it... So anyone being suspected by her is just as likely as anyone who was not.

So we're still drawing conclusions from the last few deaths? Yikes.. hmm. It appears that the first person to really bring up suspisions on Wayne is tar- though I could be wrong as it is very early and my eyes keep crossing. This is important why..? Because tar was the last person killed that we know has nothing to do with the death fluke. :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Hi people.... no need to say that things are not improving around here and the wolves have killed the self evident innocent :S I really wish I hadn't pointed that out....... I am also sorry that my other prediction that all the sound and the fury on day 2 was 2 innocents venting self righteous indignation. That kind of behaviour just gives your fellow innocents an excuse to make a vote that is easy on the conscience in the absence of a more evident candidate and lets the wolves laugh behind their furry paws as the spotlight keeps off them.

So please, and I know I elsewhere I have been a grievous ofender, could my fellow innocents be a little less paranoid and we may catch a wolf as we so desperately need to today.

There are eight of us left.

Only five are "true" innocents. One of us is cursed. Two are wolves.

We are getting to the stage where it may all now hang on the cursed..and we have no way of knowing who that is...

At the moment I think Wayne or Gandalf are going to be my focus.... but I am going to reread everything.

[Mithalwen]

Tar was also the seer Valesse, and anyone who has been in a game with Wayne knows he is quite baffling so might she have dreamt of him to settle the eternal "Is wayne a wolf or is Wayne being Wayne" question.... of course her hint may have been an expression of intent that got her killed ..but I need to go back and look.

[Kath]

I'd like to suggest that nobody makes an early vote right now. I know they're retractable but even so. Once a bandwagon begins we get suckered into it, and it's very difficult after that to gather enough votes for anyone else, even with being able to retract previous ones.

I'm inclined to agree with Mith and Valesse that it should be Wayne and Gandalf we focus on today. Admittedly they may both be innocents, but they aren't exactly helping us much and quite a lot of our time is spent considering them. If they are innocent then they are wasting our time. Lynching them is the only way to determine this. Therefore I am (against my better judgement) wondering if we should consider a double lynch to rid ourselves of this nuisance.

Hopefully such an action would get us at least one wolf. The worst scenario would be that two innocents are dead, and we can ill afford that. So, it seems we have to decide which is the lesser of two evils:

a) Keep them alive and allow them to keep making one post per day, Wayne especially being as unhelpful as possible.

b) Lynch one of them and leave the other alive (in which case due to tar's words about him I would suggest that be Wayne).

c) Lynch both of them and hope we get at least one wolf in the mix.

My mind is by no means made up on this, I want to see what you all think. So please - tell me! Dicsuss! Ridicule this plan if you must but at least consider it.

[Mithalwen]

Don't like tripple posting but this cyber cafe is expensive.. will try to get back online.

Rereading .. alas most of the posts seem to have been by or about the dead and yield little.

I am still inclined to think that Ang and Roa are innocent and probably Kath but less certain.

Wayne and Gandalf - like a pair of twins squabbling almost when they are hear which is infrequent..... a little more commitment please guys .. we can't ignore them as they ignore us...

Valier and Valesse not as quiet but not the most prominent ..... I have looked at them particularly this rereading. Theri names make them seem like another pair of twins... but is one evil? I am beginning to think Valesse more likely to be innocent and possibly that Valier may be a low-profile wolf.. being around enough to be perceived but not enough to attract the spotlight.

I may be quite wrong and with my luck Ang and Roa will be the lupines..but

voting for Wayne or Gandalf (though I don't feel they are contributing much to the life of the village even if they are not contributing to the deaths in the village) .... is too much of the easy conscience-salve. I hope to be back but it may mix things up if I do this

++Valier


I hope a few of you make here sometime!!!

[Mithalwen]

Oh Sorry didn't see that ....... I voted becasue I wasn't certain of returning and I was on my own here.

--Valier

[Kath]

Sorry Mith, those tortoises just won't get out of bed before midday :p

Thanks for retracting the vote though. What do you think of the idea?

[Mithalwen]

I do have to go now... Kath since mine was a stir-up vote for Valier.. I will cooperate and vote again lest I don't return ,which can be part of a double lynch if it is the will of the village:

++ Wayne.

Please consider all I have commented on though ye who will have more information.... I really feel the wolves have had an easy ride....

[Valesse]

I'm glad someone thinks these things up so I don't have to. :p

Each suggestion, A B and C, look to be to be the 'right' course of action, Kath, but each has its flaws... nothing in the actual making-of-the-suggestion bit, but the fact that someone's gotta die and theres a glaring chance it won't be a wolfie.

-With A we'll have to see who's picked off during the night.
-With B possibly only one wolf is killed... or an innocent.
-With C we run the risk of both being innocent and 2/3 out of 6 doesn't sound so hot of chances for the village. Our list of the dead is already longer than the list of our living!

We've done a lot of focusing... too much. Lets not keep Wayne and Gandalf on the forefronts of our minds, please, but let us keep mention in them. I don't doubt that by the end of the day one of the two will be lynched, but there are others in Mejis still who could have replaced their teeth with fangs.

Its a frightening prospect... but what if these beasts are picking at random just to confuse us?

[Kath]

Valesse I understand your concerns but there will be a flaw in any plan because we don't know who the wolves are, and said wolves may have a hand in designing or ruining any such plans.

You say we should stop concentrating on Wayne and Gandalf because there may be others here that are wolves and that's true. However, the two of them aren't helpful and won't help us catch these other fanged beasts. My proposal is to get rid of them (and desperately hope that at least one is a wolf) so that those who are left are ones that make posts and give us something at least to analyse.

Also, what did you mean by:
But what if these beasts are picking at random just to confuse us?

[Valesse]

I meant that if they are picking their nightly kills at random... it wouldn't in the least ways protecting themselves by ridding Mejis of those that have suspected them, but by leading us to believe that they have done so. Thats a kind of vague description of what I thought... my mind is a confusing place that does tumbles well after I've stopped.

Also: I didn't mean we should stop discussing the threat of Gandalf and Wayne entirely, but keep an open mind about other villagers.

[Kath]

It's an idea Valesse but I think, looking at the past few nights kills, that they have bumped off those they considered a threat or was the obvious choice.

Night 1 ~ Eomer
Night 2 ~ Fea
Night 3 ~ Abercrombie

They were very lucky with their second night's kill in that Fea was the Hunter and took tar with her but these kills certainly don't look random to me. I think they're trying to save their own skins rather than set any one up, especially after we got Lommy on Day 1.

[Valesse]

With that said- and assuming the wolves are taking down the experianced players- you, Mith, and Ang have a little extra something to worry about. Though that is assuming that you are not the wolves yourselves and/or we catch the brood.

I can see why you'd want a double lynching, but I feel more comfortable with a single lynch... knowing that at least there is one more person between a village victory and one for the wolf one gives my mind a bit more ease.

[Gandalf_the _white]

sorry as i've said before my absence is due to the lack of computer time i get
i'm sorry if you find this suspicious but its the god honest truth. Also another reason why no-one else seems to be on at the same time as me is because i live in England so my timing is different

[Kath]

I understand your reluctance Valesse, a double lynch is something I very rarely advocate, in fact I usually fight against it! All I am thinking though is that if one or both is still alive tomorrow they will be the ones we concentrate on. Even if both are innocent the wolves are hardly likely to kill one of them toNight when we can run around dealing with them all the next day.

Also, what you said about me, Mith and Ang being in danger is true. However, we will just have to risk that and hope what we say before death benefits the village. Still, with Mith especially, if she isn't dead soon I think I will begin to suspect that she is a wolf because there has been no real suspicion against her, and with major players it is usaully this alone that keeps them alive.

[Kath]

Excuse me Gandalf but I live in England!

[Gandalf_the _white]

:rolleyes: doh sorry i just can't get at the computer all the time and i think i am right in believing that everyone else has almost 24/7 access

[Kath]

That's as may be Gandalf, but it doesn't stop you being a wolf, if a quiet one!

[Valesse]

Yes, while you're still here please give us some insight as to why you have been voting for Wayne exclusively?

[Gandalf_the _white]

oh no!!! I think the mistake that Shelob and Gorin made was actually stating that they were innocent this makes people believe that they are desperate to convince people that they were indeed innocent

[Gandalf_the _white]

without looking through the posts i think i've only voted once and that was because he found me suspicious for the smae reason as i found him

[Kath]

Ok then, lets look at those few posts we have by Wayne and Gandalf and see if we can glean anything from them.

Wayne:
Day 1:
Usual vague first post – regret over the killing of the mods, says he won’t leave til all the wolves are dead.
Votes for Fea saying it’s due to her ‘strange vote’ though we don’t know whether he was referring to her vote for Eomer or herself.

Day 2:
Actually some thought it seems, says the wolves wouldn’t vote for someone and then kill them the same Night. Odd sentence about meaning to vote for Lommy, when he’d already voted for Fea. Does a list (with no explanation) putting Gandalf at the top and himself at the bottom. Tar is second down and Fea third – could be (if her is a wolf) that there was some argument as to which would be killed that Night.
i dont trust anyone.i dont care what he said but i go by my gut.i wanted to change my vote and abrodcrobie sorry your before me. gandalf has been acting strange to strange and with all the things going on i will vote.
I challenge anyone to make sense of that! But followed up with a vote for Gandalf, perhaps in retaliation.

Day 3:
Oh hell, he wrote ordo in bolded letters. Wayne usually tells the truth with this so there actually seems no point in lynching him. He only went back and did this today though, so it could be to save his own skin. Still suspects Gandalf due to voting for those who vote for him.


Gandalf:
Day 1:
Nothing

Day 2:
Explains his absence from the Day before, no computer access and lack of knowledge that we had started.
Continually repeats this excuse, and states it as a reason for Wayne’s suspicion of him. Also makes a point of mentioning his newbie status – perhaps to stop us thinking he even could be a wolf.
Votes for Wayne, I think due to his lack of posting.

Day 3:
Worried about Valesse. Doesn’t want to bandwagon but is tempted to vote Garin anyway.
Repeats the lack of access excuse, claims not to know anything about werewolf games and repeats reasoning for voting for him.
No vote it seems.

Day 4:
Yet another mention of the reason for a lack of posting. Somehow decides living in England is another reason.
Refuses to explain why he’s innocent (though he wasn’t actually asked to do this) for fear it would make people see him as too defensive.

Now, to be completely honest I still want to lynch both of them. Wayne did put ordo in a past post, which means he was online today, but rather than make a post he simply went back and edited (something that is not actually allowed) which means I'm still suspicious of him. Gandalf I might give the benefit of the doubt too, but he has put just too much emphasis on his reasons for being away rather than being any help.

Also, if anyone could do an analysis of Mith that would be great.

My vote will likely to go Wayne soon.

[Gandalf_the _white]

i'm sorry i can't be of much help but due to my "newbie status" as you put it i don't spot things as easily as the rest of you and it usually takes someone posting it for me to notice it
I can see why suspicions are arroused about me and i must admit if i was in your shoes i'd be suspicious aswell

[Gandalf_the _white]

and the thing about being scared of valesse was harmless fun because she said she was dreaming of me

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, if anyone could do an analysis of Mith that would be great.

Coming right up! Anyone else want an analysis of a specific person while I'm at it?

[Roa_Aoife]

Mith Analysis
Day 1
First post is a safe post, as expected. Suspicious of Eomer. Works with Valesse in pointing suspicion at Fea and Valier (seems to be a simple farce) Suggests choosing Fea. First insulted by Eomer’s suggestion of confusion, then points out her confusion. Votes for Eonwe.

Day 2
Apologizes for Eonwe, points suspicion again at Fea. Suggests tar’s innocence. Suggests innocence of Shelob and Garin. Votes for Fea.

Day 3
Accuses Kath of bandwagoning. Suspicion of Garin. Suggests Innocence of Ang and Roa. Continues suspicion of Wayne and Garin. Votes for Gandalf. Laments what we know will happen to Garin after Crombie’s reveal.

Day 4
States desire to get rid of Cursed. Restates innocence of Ang and Roa, begins to suspect Kath again. Suspicion of Wayne and Gandalf. Votes Valier. Retracts vote. Votes Wayne – time troubles.

[Kath]

Thanks for that Roa, what do you think that shows? And what do you think of the Wayne/Gandalf double lynch idea?

In fact, what does anyone think of it? Come on people! You must have 3 seconds to spare!

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm not for a double lynch, becuase of our odds. Maybe yesterday, but today is a no.

As for Mith, she has several behaviors that she sticks to, doggedly one might say. With others, she jumps around, finding what's best. Her vote for Eonwe makes her stand out, but then she apologizes while supporting herself. She suggest as much innocense as suspicion, but this may be a way of flattering people.

Over all, I'd say she's iffy, but it's not clear cut.

[Kath]

Thanks Roa, nice to see someone else alive out there!

That's exactly what I feel about Mith. I'm not ready to fully suspect her, and now of course that I've brought her up she won't be killed by the wolves which isn't helpful. Still, I hope she's innnocent, she's always an asset when she is. Anyway I'll give her plenty of time to convince me otherwise and I certainly won't vote for her.

Speaking of which, if you don't agree with a double lynch Roa, who would you suggest we lynch?

And if you're still offering to do analyses, one on Anguirel would be greatly appreciated.

[Valier]

Hi everyone! I've been gone all day and I have just read through the posts.
There have been some good analyses so far.

I am not sure about the double lynch, but it could open up alot of windows into who are the real wolves,(If it isn't the two we lynch)
But that's pretty risky, seeing as how we have lost so many innocents already.

Being a newbie as well, I don't really know how to pick up on as many things as some of the rest of you, But I have some time now if anyone wants help with analysis' or any thing. If my brain has some coaxing I usually can pick up on some hints that may give the wolves away.

[Roa_Aoife]

Valier, I'm a newbie too, so if you'de like to help with analysis, I'm actaully planning to analyze everyone who's left. If you wouldn't mind analyzing me, since I can't do that myself objectively, I'd appreciate it. Also, Kath, if you don't mind. Then we'll have the three most experianced players. After I finish Ang, I'm moving onto you. You can take Valier if you don't mind.

[Kath]

Nice to see you Valier. I agree the double lynch is risky. My concern is that if we don't get rid of these two we will continue to be hung up on them tomorrow.

If we lynched Wayne today and Gandalf tomorrow and the wolves kill an innocent in the Night that makes 3 innocents dead if Wayne and Gandalf are not wolves.

If we lynch them both today and the wolves kill an innocent in the night that again makes 3 innocents dead (same circumstances pending) BUT that means tomorrow we have more chance of getting a wolf and the wolves have one less night to kill.

Wait, that doesn't really make sense. Erm, ok if we do a double lynch then the wolves have one kill, tonight. If we lynch them on separate days that means the wolves have two nights to kill.

If anyone doesn't get this I'm sorry. It makes such sense in my head but I can't explain it! Basically it is almost to our advantage to do the double.

[Roa_Aoife]

Ang Analysis
Day 1
Starts with nothing post. Explains that he will be absent later in the day. Votes early for Gandalf. Changes vote to Thin (violently). Then suggests that Thin is the seer.

Day 2
Very determined in Shelob’s guilt. Tries to turn Garin and Shelob on each other. Defends against Shelob’s accusations. Suggests Shelob is a target. Votes Kath. Admits that tar’s defense of Shelob is strong. Retracts Kath vote, votes Roa.

Day 3
Expresses regret in not defending Shelob better, and voting for Roa. Suggests that Kath’s accusations of Garin are faulty. Votes Garin. Mentions that if Garin is guilty, Kath is innocent. Suspects Wayne and Gandalf. Suggests Wayne is innocent. Restates suspicion of Kath. Suspects Valesse. Suggests that votes stay the same after Crombie’s reveal in order to keep game play normal. Asks mods to end day early.

Day 4
Silence thus far.

[Kath]

Tries to turn Garin and Shelob on each other.
Now that's interesting. Would you mind expanding on that point Roa?

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay. Ang has a lot of inconsistent behavior. It could be a wolf trying to jump around, it could be an innocent that isn't afraid to change his mind. He throws a lot of looks your way Kath, which makes me wonder if that's why you requested this analysis. His vote for Thin seems to exonerate him.

[Kath]

Well that depends Roa, when did Ang vote for Lommy? If he was one of the first then yes it may exonerate him, but if it was later then no, he may have hopped onto the bandwagon to avoid suspicion. Any idea which it was?

[Gandalf_the _white]

kath i can see what your thinking with the double lynch idea (even if it does involve me!! lol ) and it makes sense except for the fact of if me and wayne are both innocent then you are losing two innocents at once and the wolves then have more chance of swinging the next vote

[Valier]

Analysis on Roa

Day 1
- Late comer
- Sternly addresses the early voters for Eomer
- Corrects Tar on voting order
- Suspects Eomer could be a wolf
- Comments on people forming relationships
- Accuses Fea of wolfish behavior
- Lashes out at Fea for being snippy
- Votes for Shelob

Day2
-First poster of the day
- Says she knew Eomer was innocent yesterday?
- Defends her vote for Shelob
- Says everyone should vote for who they think is a wolf,not who everyone else thinks is a wolf
- Votes for Shelob

Day3
- Second to post
- Says Tar seemed to shine a light on Garin
- Suspects Garin
- Tells Kath and other accusers to look at post #161
- Says she's voting for Garin
- Tells Garin hes rude and out of line
- Suggests looking at who Garin hasn't drawn attention to
- Finds pattern involving Garin and Wayne
- Attacks Garin again
-Says to kill Garin now and get the day over with
- Votes for Wayne
Day 4(so far)
- Does lots of analysis

That's all I got so far I haven't put anything together yet so I'll read what you guys have done.

[Roa_Aoife]

During Day 2, Ang actually suggested that the two accused analyze each other. And he was the 2 to vote for Thin.

Now then:
Valier Analysis
Day 1
Starts by pointing at tar. Copies Roa’s post after three votes fro Eomer, then says she didn’t see the other Eomer votes. Votes Wayne.

Day 2
Mentions loss of ranger, and hopes “the seer and the hunter make good choices.” Suggests danger to the seer. Throws suspicion at Fea. Suggests Shelob’s guilt. Votes Shelob.

Day 3
Suspicious of Wayne and Gandalf. Votes Wayne, promises explanation.

Day 4
Agrees to do analysis.

[Kath]

Roa what are you saying exactly about Valier? That she quoted something out of a post done after the Eomer votes and then said she didn't see them?

And Gandalf, I understand the concerns, it's why I hate double lynches. I don't want to do it, but right now it seems the best option.

[Gandalf_the _white]

ohhh all this analysis is hurting my head!!! :(

[Valier]

If anyone doesn't get this I'm sorry. It makes such sense in my head but I can't explain it! Basically it is almost to our advantage to do the double

After read this ...a few times (Giggle) I actually do think I get it. I think it may be a good idea to lynch both...but then again......it's still scary because we've lost so many already...and there is still a cursed villager out there remember.
What if one of two are the cursid? That would really "Bite" (sorry bout the pun)

[Roa_Aoife]

Thanks, Valier. Don't forget the paragraph analysis. ;)

She's in enough to not draw attention through silence. She's out enough to not draw attention by over vocalization. Her Day 2 activities are very suspicious. However, we really have very little on her.

EDIT: Yes Kath, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[Gandalf_the _white]

like i said kath i can see it from your side but, well with the insight of one of the people being lynched, i see one flaw (that i don't want to mention, when the last two people said it (draws finger across throat))

[Valier]

Roa what are you saying exactly about Valier? That she quoted something out of a post done after the Eomer votes and then said she didn't see them?
I can clear this up.
I said I agreed with Roa about the bandwagoning,but then looking at her post made me realize that voting for wayne,was sort of jumping on a bandwagon,because everyones votes were for someone different...

Does that make any sense?

[Gandalf_the _white]

of course i can't rule out the fact that i mite be the cursed....

[Valesse]

Let us perhaps chose only one of the silent pair?

I really don't know who's a wolf right now or not. There are plenty of people in my mind that could be, but perhaps its only my imagination playing tricks on me. Right now I'm cross examining the observances because thats the kind of paranoid pshycopath I am. :p

And suddenly I am confused... Gandalf hasn't vanished yet? Its near or past midnight in England isn't it? What happened to limited time?

[Gandalf_the _white]

i'm round my grans and she always lets me on, unfortunatly i don't come round very often
btw has wayne turned up at all today? i can't see any posts from him

[Roa_Aoife]

- Suspects Eomer could be a wolf

Just to clarify, that was me being silly.

[Kath]

Ok, so how about we scrap the entire lynch plan, assuming for the moment that both Wayne and Gandalf are innocent.

That leaves us with:
Mith
Valesse
Roa
Valier
Anguirel

So who do we think is a wolf? Bearing in mind of course that two out of that list are wolves (assuming the innocence of Wayne and Gandalf remember, and of course myself).

I am inclined to suspect Anguirel and Mith - but since neither are around I will wait to see what they say for their defences.

And no, Wayne hasn't posted, but he was online and did go back and bold the letters o,r,d,o in a previous post.

[Gandalf_the _white]

hmmm very subtle!!! :D

[Roa_Aoife]

Don't forget to add yourself, Kath. Valier, are you planning on doing more analysis, or are you just going to leave it at that?

[Valier]

And no, Wayne hasn't posted, but he was online and did go back and bold the letters o,r,d,o in a previous post

Sorry but that sounds like a pretty good wolf tactic if you ask me.... oh and wayne has posted a total of 5 posts! That's not many for 4 days hhhmmm I still suspect him

Edit:Sorry Roa if you want more I can do it ...but that was hard and took me awhile

[Gandalf_the _white]

exactly why i thought he was guilty

[Kath]

Wayne isn't subtle, but nor is he much good at lying.

Roa I deliberately left myself out and mentioned that I did at the bottom, no point in putting someone in I believe to be innocent!

Now, Valier. What was that about you posting with a quote taken from a post after the three Eomer votes, and then claiming you hadn't seen them? Your previous explanation didn't seem to answer that part of the question.

[Gandalf_the _white]

i was being sarcastic lol

[Valier]

Now, Valier. What was that about you posting with a quote taken from a post after the three Eomer votes, and then claiming you hadn't seen them? Your previous explanation didn't seem to answer that part of the question

Please read post # 57 that might help.

If not I will try to answer as best I can

[Gandalf_the _white]

gonna go now i think i'll vote
++ Wayne
still find him suspicious because of his lack of posts ( like someone else we know lol)

[Roa_Aoife]

Is anyone going to do an analysis of Kath and Valesse? I may not have time to.

[Kath]

Ohkaay that sort of makes sense.

That's two votes for Wayne. Looks like the boy is going to get lynched!

I wish there were some others around. The more I hear from people the more I begin to suspect ulterior motives!

[Roa_Aoife]

Where is everyone? I feel like the village has shrunk to desperate levels.

If no one else will do the analysis, I'll do them, starting with Kath. If someone wants to pick up Valesse while I'm at it, I'd be very appreciative.

[Valier]

Ok so there is still 2 and 1/2 hours left and Wayne or Ang have not posted.
There have been two votes so far. six votes to go.

Edit: I just checked the ww junior thread and Ang did say he wouldn't be able to post till later on today. Wayne has no excuse.

[Kath]

Wayne probably feels his little edit counts as a post.

[Kath]

Sorry! I got dragged off to go watch something and I have to go now so I've no time for any more analysing.

I can't vote for Wayne or Gandalf, analysing them and looking over their posts, plus finally getting enough from Gandalf to really look at has seriously decreased my suspicion.

I can't vote for Mith or Ang because they're not here to defend themselves.

I can't vote for Roa or Valesse because I believe them to be innocent.

That leaves me with

++VALIER

Partly due to a process of elimination, partly because she is quite so insistent about Wayne, and partly because she only really got into the lynch Wayne thing when I suggested not bothering with either of them.

[Roa_Aoife]

Kath Analysis
Day 1
Suggests relationship between Gandalf and Garin. Votes Eonwe.

Day 2
Rules out Ang, Fea, and tar as wolves. [looks at Mith, Valesse, and Shelob. Suspects Shelob. Lets up on Mith. Suggests innocence of Valesse. Lists possible wolves- Shelob, Garin, Valier, Crombie, Roa. Thinks Crombie and Shelob are the most likely, Distrusts Ang and Garin.]-(one post) Votes Wayne. Suggests possible double lynching for Wayne and Shelob, while speaking against it. Retracts Wayne vote- Votes Shelob. Suggests to Garin retracting of votes to save Shelob. Suspects Ang. Suggests that Shelob retract own vote. Refuses to retract his own.

Day 3
Presents case against Garin. Accuses Roa, clarifies for Garin. Says he doesn’t mind suspicion. Answers Crombie suspicions. Suspects Wayne. Defends Crombie to Garin. Draws more suspicion to Garin. Defends Roa. Asks Garin to defend himself. Votes Garin.

Day 4
Suggests double lynching Wayne and Gandalf. Suggests taking time with voting. Notes that wolves are taking out the most experienced players. Asks for analysis on Mith and Ang. Asks for clarification on analysis. Agrees to let go of Wayne and Gandalf for time being. Says he can’t suspect Wayne and Gandalf, thinks Roa and Valesse are innocent, votes Valier.

[Roa_Aoife]

Day 1, Kath keeps a low profile, throwing mild suspicion on Garin and Gandalf. He voted for Eonwe, which causes suspicion. Day 2, he keeps very busy throwing suspicion around. It may be a wolf tactic to keep eyes everywhere, or it may be an innocent just looking at all possiblities. His refusal to retract his vote after saying that Shelob is innocent is also cause for suspicion.

I'm inclined to discount Day 3, as Garin did a fairly good job getting himself killed. The double lynching idea could be both an attempt to help the village or it may be a wolf tactic to hurt the village. It seems inconsistent to push the idea to lych the two of them only to suggest they're innocent the same day.

[Roa_Aoife]

If someone else could do the Valesse analysis I'd be much obliged. I don't think I'm awake enough to do a coherent one.

[Valier]

Partly due to a process of elimination, partly because she is quite so insistent about Wayne, and partly because she only really got into the lynch Wayne thing when I suggested not bothering with either of them.

Actually to clarify I voted for Wayne the first day,and have stayed suspisious of his 5 posts. even to today.

Your vote for me is strange and oddly random, but hey I understand it. I do think just because someone is not here to defend themselves, we should still look into them as well.

I will vote soon :)

[Roa_Aoife]

Valier, could you do the Valesse analysis?

[WaynetheGoblin]

++waynethegoblin
Well do you still suspect me.

[Valier]

Actully I don't have the time now to go through all her posts. I could do one tomorrow,unless someone has more time to do it now.

Also Wayne's vote is like a repeat of Shelob and Garin. That could just be another wolfish ploy though. :(

[WaynetheGoblin]

Ha you still think im wolf this is a sad day.

[Valesse]

I'll get right on it Roa and Valier... don't you worry. :p

Night is drawing near and here are how the votes stand:

Gandalf: Wayne
Kath: Valier
Mith: Wayne
Wayne: Wayne

Hmm... Less than half of the village seems to have voted and Night comes in an hour or so? We still haven't decided about a double lynching (Though we might have and I didn't read it as what it was) and yeah...

I, myself, am apt to not lynch anyone toDay, so I will not be voting. For the few (exhausted) people still around it looks like tomorrow we might be Wayne free, and I'll leave it up to y'all if you want any of the_white left in it also. Frankly I just do not know at this point. Give me another Day and I'll have some answers or at least some ideas.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I dicided i would have some fun tonight.
--wayne
++valier

[Valesse]

Any other reason other than having "fun" for that, Wayne?

[WaynetheGoblin]

i know im dead an actor should be able to have some fun before he meets his doom so im just having fun.

[Roa_Aoife]

Right now, my suspicion is on Kath and Valier. Valier's actions on Day 2 were terribly suspicious, and I don't like her low profile. Kath because the majority of people dead are connected to him via accusations and votes. Valesse, I currently have just a gut feeling of mistrust. Once I get an analysis done I may have more reasoning behind it. Ang, right now, I trust, and Mith as well. Gandalf and Wayne... I have nothing to go off of. I don't trust Wayne, but I think that if Gandalf were a wolf he'd have exposed himself by now. (No offense.)

[Valier]

I would like to know what's so fun about voting for me? :( :p

[Valier]

Well it's getting close now.
My vote will also be for
++Wayne

Not in vengence,but I think he's posted little and when he does everything sounds wolfish to me.It's like he's letting things slip in his limited posts. I could be wrong and I'm sorry if I am but I gotta know either way.

[Roa_Aoife]

So the vote is

Gandalf: Wayne
Kath: Valier
Mith: Wayne
Wayne: Valier
Valier: Wayne

I must sign off for the night.

My vote, because reason dictates it.

++Valier

Good night, and take care.

[Valesse]

If this is the will of the village... I have no more to say.

However if these two who are nominated are not wolves Val is going to make some very serious posts come Day... figuring I don't get used as a scratching post toNight.

I don't like this. I don't like this at all.

[Valier]

Not sure how this day went from accusing Wayne and Gandalf to Double lynching me with Wayne today. :(

Please villagers choose wisely, I am innocent! :(

[Valier]

Well see ya..... :( :(

[Glirdan]

Stop voting. I'll have death up shortl.

[Glirdan]

After the villagers cleaned up the bloody mess in Crombie's household, they began, once again, to speculate on who could possibly be a Wolf. "I say we lynch both Wayne and Gandalf. They never contribute overly to the village!" Mith cried.

"But what if both are innocent?" Kath asked worriedly. "I say we lych one of them, Wayne because he's the worst of the two, and someone else."

"How about Valier?" Valesse sugegsted. "She could be the quiet one of the Wolves." This was met with a concourse of agreement. Wayne just went along, not caring for what fate had in store for him. Valier on the other hand wasn't as quiet. "Oh come on!! I've trained all your dogs since they were pups."

"Strange thing, Valier. They still haven't stopped barking at you over all these years." Ang stated quietly. "So shut up!" Then he turned to the other villagers. "Ok, who are we getting rid of-" he was cut off quickly by a snarling noise from behind him. He turned around just in time to see Valier turn into a giant Wolf. Valier charged at Ang and was just about to seize him when Wayne double flipped backwards and landed right in front of Ang so that instead of Ang being caught in the jaws of the beast, Wayne was. "Save yourselves!" Wayne cried and just then, Valier bit his head off with his powerful jaws. While all this was happening, Gandalf was coming up with some spell in the background. As Valier snapped Wayne's head off, Gandalf sprang up and cast the spell upon him. Flames erupted all over the monstrous beast. The beast howled in rage and pain and stormed all over the place, almost catching Roa on fire as she ran by. Then, the beast collapsed onto the ground. As the others stared at the body, it turned back into the body of Valier. She was dead. "Well, that leaves one more of these beasts to find." Roa said quietly, and the villagers stood there in scilence until dark crept upon them.

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword
Shelob(Ordor) - Day 2 - killed herself with her scciors in sacrifice
tar-ancalime(Seer) - Night 3 - stabbed by spear through the heart
Feanor of the Peredhil(Hunter) - Night 3 -Mauled on both sides
Garin(Ordo) - Day 3 - Buzz sawed neatly in two
Crombie(Ordo) - Night 4 - Torn to bits and body pieces dispersed through house
Wayne(Ordo) - Day 4 - Head bitten off by Valier
Valier(Wolf) - Day 4 - Burned to death by one of Gandalf's spells

Alive
Roa
Ang
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valesse

Day 4 is over. Night 5 starts. I need a name from the final Wolf please.

[Glirdan]

Roa was just putting all her medicinal spices, herbs and other healthy stuff when she heard a scratch at the door. "That's strange," she thought to herself. "Valier is dead and all the dogs have run off. Maybe one of them returned and needs a home." So she walked into the living room and opened up the door.

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As the villagers gathered in the town square, they noticed with dismay that Roa was missing from amongst their ranks. " Oh I do hope nothing has happened to the dear!" Mith cried. "I need my medicines from her!" They walked over to Roa's house and saw that the door was open and there was white things littered over the ground in front of the door. As they stepped closer they realised that it was bones. "That's strange," Valesse said. "All the dogs ran away after Valier died yesterday." They walked into the house to search for Roa. "Roa!? ROA!?!?" They cried. No answer. Suddenly, it dawned on them. "Those bones aren't dog bones!" Ang cried.

"They're Roa's!!" Kath screamed. "The Wolf completely devoured her!!" With that sudden realisation, the villagers realised just how much peril they were in. The villager needed to find that last Wolf, and fast.

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword
Shelob(Ordor) - Day 2 - killed herself with her scciors in sacrifice
tar-ancalime(Seer) - Night 3 - stabbed by spear through the heart
Feanor of the Peredhil(Hunter) - Night 3 -Mauled on both sides
Garin(Ordo) - Day 3 - Buzz sawed neatly in two
Crombie(Ordo) - Night 4 - Torn to bits and body pieces dispersed through house
Wayne(Ordo) - Day 4 - Head bitten off by Valier
Valier(Wolf) - Day 4 - Burned to death by one of Gandalf's spells
Roa(Ordo) - Night 5 - Flesh eaten right off and only bones remain.

Alive
Ang
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valesse

Night 5 has ended. Hurry up and find that last Wolf, before he get the evil ne who doesn't know.

EDIT: Please don't take anything I said in my last line about gender or about the Cursed to serioiusly.

[Valesse]

:(

As I said yesterday I was cross examining (or at least planning to cross examine) the observances Roa and Valier made yesterday.... Of course we know now that Valier was a wolf so through her analysis we might learn something about the last remaining wolf... maybe she omitted someone or mentioned them in passing. Its a shot at least!

I'll be looking it over.

[Anguirel]

I must apologise for my complete silence yesterday. Unavoidable things occurred. If only I could have been there to join in the wolf catching glory...

I hope to redeem myself with plenty of analysis today.

My first point today is that we should remember that we are not told the Cursed Villager's role when they die. Mith in particular seems to assume they're definitely still among us; but though the chance should not be underestimated, only four villagers still live and six are dead, so there's a 60% chance now that the Cursed One is slain already. So its conversion is an eventuality to be wary of, but not to actually quail in fear of.

EDIT: I corrected this percentage. I am chronic at Maths...

[Gandalf_the _white]

Yeah but Glirdan posted this at the end of the death:
Hurry up and find that last Wolf, before he get the evil ne who doesn't know
If you ask me it sounds like the cursed one is still alive and so no-one can be dismissed as "innocent" (but I could be wrong :D )
and he mentioned the wolf was a he this could be a clue or i'm just reading too much into the deaths

[Mithalwen]

Hi survivors ..thanks Ang - I didn't realise that we wouldn't be told if someone was cursed when lynched....

This will be quick and I will be back later ... but Kath has my suspicions firmly on her again. But I have only had a sneak look so far ..(slow connection).

[Mithalwen]

++Kath

I gave her plan a chance and now I realise she sucessfully turned my vote away from a wolf. Then she started to cast suspicion at me without true foundation.

the reason I am alive is becasue I have been so bad a spotting wolves ... but I think I have one now. It is far more suspicious that Kath is still alive ..she is far more experienced and sucessful than I.

I have suspected her on and off since day 2. Now I am certain. Don't let her frame me.

I will give a more detailed defence and attack after work.

[Anguirel]

While that's pretty impetuous, Mith, I don't mind. Someone has to get things going and I don't like doing it all the time. It's a slightly risky position.

I have a vague idea which people might like to co-operate with. We try to catch the last wolf via an imaginative exercise.

As our copybook-blotted but insightful Hunter Fea said, "Don't think-how would wolves behave? Think-how would X behave if s/he were a wolf?"

Luckily for us, two monsters lie dead, and with the last one the picture of the triumvirate will be complete. This makes things a lot easier. Rather than just asking "how would X behave if s/he were a wolf?" we can now ask "how would X behave if s/he was in a wolvish triad with Valier & Thinlomien and found him/herself the last one standing?"

I therefore formally set the questions:

1. How would Anguirel behave if he was in a wolvish triad with Valier & Thinlomien and found himself the last one standing?

2. How would Kath behave if she was in a wolvish triad with Valier & Thinlomien and found herself the last one standing?

3. How would Mithalwen behave if she was in a wolvish triad with Valier & Thinlomien and found herself the last one standing?

4. How would Gandalf behave if he was in a wolvish triad with Valier & Thinlomien and found himself the last one standing?

5.How would Valesse behave if she was in a wolvish triad with Valier & Thinlomien and found herself the last one standing?

We should each attempt to answer all of the questions, even regarding ourselves, about whom we can perhaps be most honest. Think of the role person concerned would take in the triad-leader, talker, planner, lurker, role-player, confuser? And think of their reaction to being cornered and desperate, alone. We will then match this with actual behaviour and see if we've achieved anything.

The wolf may be dishonest-they have every right to be-but that in itself may lead us to them. I will myself attempt answers soon.

Oh and Gandalf, as I said before there should be no clues in the moderator's narration. There's no way that one chance "he" excludes everyone but you and me from wolvishness. Nor is the Cursed Villager necessarily around. Glirdan could easily be tantalising us.

[Gandalf_the _white]

ok i was reading too much into the deaths then :D
and in response to your questions i think if i was the last wolf i would be panicking now this being my first game and being all alone

[Valesse]

Are we to post our beliefs publicly, Sir Ang?

This is both Gandalf and my first WW-- (and I am, myself, suprised how alive I am so late in the game), so our observations might not count for much, but it will help the community I'll post it publicly anyways.

[Anguirel]

I think that would be helpful, Valesse, yes. I'll write my own answers when I've down some crucial work on, ah, First Age History...

[Valesse]

I'm sure to be wrong in several places, as most of this is from what I've seen and felt suspicious of so far... well not all of it. Its mostly conjecture, really. But it makes sense. My only worry now is that the wolf has something to go by so that they know what -not- to do or say.

Anguirel:
The brave resident knight of Mejis (with an extensive family history pretaining to wolvery) might perhaps make a point to prove (or over-prove) his goodly-ness to the village. His posts may become longer and not as direct.

Kath:
Our humble tortoise herder, tricky as she might seem, maybe discret and mindful of every tittle and comma she types. This might make her posts seem overthought and of odd lengths. Justifications elaborate and very discriptive commentary to quotes (pulled from everywhere) could follow.

Mithalwen:
The wise walthy widow appears to already have taken a strong stand. She is known to be tricksy and a very cunning player which ever side she may reside on. I won't pretend to know what to expect from her other than something sneaky, sly, or silly.

Gandalf:
As the young village wizard he is new to the entire wolvish experiance, and if secretly he is the last remaining wolf, we might soon be made aware of it through nervous and/or erratic behavior. -- I'll be wary of Gandalf if much posting goes on today by his behalf. :p

Valesse:
The airy acrobat tries to keep herself objective until the end of the day, but that wouldn't be the case if she had fangs. As a lycan look for easily aggitated/agressive accusations, and a complete lack of sense of humor and desire to role play.

[Kath]

Mith, I can understand if you've made your mind up, but may I just make one point in my defense? Why, if I were a wolf would I make the first vote for Valier, knowing there was a chance that the rest of the village might follow me as they had been doing up to that point? Just to make myself look innocent? It's a bit risky.

I actually came to thank you for putting me on to Valier in the first place, and to apologise for causing you to change your vote. I believe you be completely innocent right now if that's any consolation.

Now, though this has already been discussed, I do feel that Glirdan perhaps unwittingly gave us some clues in the death scene.

Hurry up and find that last Wolf, before he get the evil ne who doesn't know.
Assuming that Glirdan is sure of all our genders (and that this is actually a clue) I believe that leaves us with Anguirel and Gandalf to suspect. I feel that Gandalf was pretty much cleared yesterday, so my suspicion lies with Ang. Also, it seems to say that the Cursed is indeed among us.

Anguirel I'm not sure that I like your idea, for the same reason as Valesse. Doing this means the remaining wolf could look at what people think they would do and just make sure they don't do it. It's almost giving the wolf a plan for how to behave.

[Anguirel]

I must say, Kath, that your subscribing to the absurd notion that Glirdan could be so irresponsible as to accidentally narrow down the options for the last wolf to two is unlike one of your intelligence...

I'm sure Glirdan will be happy to clarify that the last wolf is not necessarily a man. You may consider it endemic sexism, but "he" is in society-especially in Middle-Earth society of the Third Age, and even in the Seventh Age-used as shorthand for "they", "it", even, very possibly, in this case "she". It's a case of linguistic patriarchalism, and your attempt to exploit it to clear yourself and pin the blame on others looks very much like desperation.

Especially as the wolf needs to get two innocents lynched to win. Why, there happen to be two males.

I will reserve judgement until I've answered my own questions and seen the answers of a few others, but to me-much to my regret-Kath is looking dangerous, despite her Valier vote. Throwaway wolf-for-wolf votes have become lynches before, and will do so, I've no doubt, again.

[Valesse]

Assuming that Glirdan is sure of all our genders (and that this is actually a clue) I believe that leaves us with Anguirel and Gandalf to suspect... Also, it seems to say that the Cursed is indeed among us.


Glirdan might have said "he" just to be grammatically correct. Common tongue is a largely masculine language and "she" would have stood out even more in my opinion... I just hope my opinion doesn't start to get old, because we've definitely heard a fair amount of it!

Edit: Ang seems to have beaten me to the grammatical punch. So I'll be adding some insight to make this post less redundent.

We each have some behaviors which could be described as incriminating, though only one remaining knows for a fact that they are the weak seam in a tumbler's panteloons. So theres where we stand.

As was the knight's suggestion I listed my theories of what people MIGHT do, and though I might not have put the right name to the right behaviors any of those things preformed by any of us can make the rest of the village test how well your head is attacked to it's shoulders.

Other than that I have nothing new to "report" other than the show in Laketown is horrible!

[Kath]

This would be the same Glirdan who has previously posted a death too early giving rise to many problems including the knowledge of the role of the person we were lynching? Forgive if my confidence in him isn't as high as it could be.

[Anguirel]

Satirical and bitter, eh? However ropey the rules we're living by in this here village may seem at times, we have to abide by them or there's no point engaging in this intellectual struggle at all.

If you're so eager to give in, maybe you shouldn't be dictating to the rest of us trying to catch a beast.

Or perhaps it's you who are the beast we seek...

[Kath]

Anguirel I applaud your tenacity and your way with words. So let's have a look at the latter. I didn't bother doing this for you yesterday because you weren't around.

Day 1:
Mentions Lommy in his first post, though could be because she was the only one who had posted so far.
Realises Gil also died, negating his earlier mention of Lommy perhaps.
Votes Gandalf due to a random vote from the males, which makes sense if he knew his two fellow wolves were female.
Madness ensues, puts himself in cahoots with Fea and Eomer (now known innocents) and changes his vote to Lommy. BUT is the last person to vote for her, so his joining of the bandwagon could be to make himself appear innocent.
Claims he thinks Lommy is the Seer, but doesn’t retract his vote.

Day 2:
Agrees with Fea that Shelob must be guilty. Links Shelob with Lommy since both joined the Eomer bandwagon.
Provides a list of those he’d dream of if the Seer – all female but none the revealed wolves. Says he may join the Garin bandwagon.
Makes a point of saying he’s never been a wolf.
Suspects those who voted for Eonwe (Kath, Mith, Valesse). Still suspicious of Shelob. Ends mostly suspecting Garin, Shelob, Kath. (All innocents – two proven).
States he would bring attention to himself even if a werecreature.
Tried to pit Garin against Shelob, possibly to take scrutiny off himself.
Votes Kath.
Believes Shelob to be innocent.
Retracts vote, gives it to Roa, who has previously not been suspected.

Day 3:
Impressed with the wolves.
Guesses who tar may have dreamed of. Thinks she died dreaming of Garin. For some reason allies himself with me for a moment.
Mocks Garin.
Makes clear who is dead and who alive.
Berates me for picking up Garin’s mistake.
Votes Garin.
Sticks with Garin but says he suspects Wayne and Gandalf. Says if Garin is a wolf I’m free of suspicion – which is odd because I could still be a wolf joining the bandwagon, so unless he knows that I’m not . . .
Is against a double lynch but would be happy to lynch Gandalf.
Thinks Wayne is innocent.
Confused by Valesse.
Gives an account of previous roles. Jokingly tells Valesse she’s a wolf.

Day 4:
Nothing – but he did say that.

Day 5:
Apologises for silence. Assumes the Cursed is already dead.
Comes up with this exercise that will tell any remaining wolf how not to behave. Disregards Glirdan’s possible slip.
Tells me off for wondering if it were accidentally helping us.

Make of that what you will. I have noticed in reading through though some points about Valesse that I want to go back and look at. However, I have to go feed the tortoises now so I can't do that til later, though if anyone else wants to take that up then feel free!

[Anguirel]

Madam, that was a masterpiece. Of misinformation.

Anguirel I applaud your tenacity and your way with words. So let's have a look at the latter. I didn't bother doing this for you yesterday because you weren't around.

When you're flattered you know it's going to bite.

Day 1:
Mentions Lommy in his first post, though could be because she was the only one who had posted so far.
Realises Gil also died, negating his earlier mention of Lommy perhaps.
Votes Gandalf due to a random vote from the males, which makes sense if he knew his two fellow wolves were female.
Madness ensues, puts himself in cahoots with Fea and Eomer (now known innocents) and changes his vote to Lommy. BUT is the last person to vote for her, so his joining of the bandwagon could be to make himself appear innocent.
Claims he thinks Lommy is the Seer, but doesn’t retract his vote.

Your first point: it patently was. I didn't even accuse her, even indirectly, I merely addressed her. I see nothing suspicious in that, Milady Ohkrana...

I often prefer to vote for males, if voting randomly, when acting in a chivalric role. My ancestor Sir Anguirel the Fair did the same at Erbar Telemarth. Even I were a wolf, I would have voted for a male. I like to work in flourishes.

Madness ensues. Quite. You neglect to mention the fact that I caused a double-lynch which finished Thinlomien, but I know that doesn't cut any ice with you anyway. You accused me of having done that with a foul motive ages back.

More criminally, you neglect to mention that madness was still very much in currency when I said Thinlomien was the Seer. It was not a serious assertion. At the time I had announced Eomer and Fea were my fellow wolves. It was a joke. Jokes always end up killing me, perhaps because the Puritans are paid up members of the Wolves in Black guild.

Day 2:
Agrees with Fea that Shelob must be guilty. Links Shelob with Lommy since both joined the Eomer bandwagon.
Provides a list of those he’d dream of if the Seer – all female but none the revealed wolves. Says he may join the Garin bandwagon.
Makes a point of saying he’s never been a wolf.
Suspects those who voted for Eonwe (Kath, Mith, Valesse). Still suspicious of Shelob. Ends mostly suspecting Garin, Shelob, Kath. (All innocents – two proven).
States he would bring attention to himself even if a werecreature.
Tried to pit Garin against Shelob, possibly to take scrutiny off himself.
Votes Kath.
Believes Shelob to be innocent.
Retracts vote, gives it to Roa, who has previously not been suspected.

My list of Seer dreams were jokes, jokes, more jokes! What those women have in common is that they're either known to be beautiful or I imagine them as beautiful. I'm sure you took this on board really and are annoyed I neglected to put you at the top of the list. (Yes, that was a joke too.) It was an "If I were the Seer I'd dream you every night..."-style chat-up line!

I did not say I'd never been a wolf at any point. That would be both irrelevant and false.

You suggest that voting for someone not yet suspected is wrong. What, should we gormlessly bandwagon every day then?

Day 3:
Impressed with the wolves.
Guesses who tar may have dreamed of. Thinks she died dreaming of Garin. For some reason allies himself with me for a moment.
Mocks Garin.
Makes clear who is dead and who alive.
Berates me for picking up Garin’s mistake.
Votes Garin.
Sticks with Garin but says he suspects Wayne and Gandalf. Says if Garin is a wolf I’m free of suspicion – which is odd because I could still be a wolf joining the bandwagon, so unless he knows that I’m not . . .
Is against a double lynch but would be happy to lynch Gandalf.
Thinks Wayne is innocent.
Confused by Valesse.
Gives an account of previous roles. Jokingly tells Valesse she’s a wolf.

Weren't you impressed with the wolves too? Though you said it yourself that shouldn't?

You make me sound as though I've entered some kind of Melkorian pact signed in blood with you. I merely laid off accusing you for a day or so.

I agree that the comment about Garin's guilt determining your innocence was inane.

You've got a joke at last. Good.

Day 4:
Nothing – but he did say that.

Day 5:
Apologises for silence. Assumes the Cursed is already dead.
Comes up with this exercise that will tell any remaining wolf how not to behave. Disregards Glirdan’s possible slip.
Tells me off for wondering if it were accidentally helping us.

Make of that what you will. I have noticed in reading through though some points about Valesse that I want to go back and look at. However, I have to go feed the tortoises now so I can't do that til later, though if anyone else wants to take that up then feel free!

I did not assume that the Cursed Villager was already dead. I said there was a 60% chance he was. Which is mathematically exactly true. I thought you were pretty good at counting, Lady Kath?

I just think that if Glirdan made such a big error (and it really seems unlikely-I'm sure Glirdan can confirm he meant "it"), we can either ignore it and play a game untainted by exterior influences, or we can risk messing things up totally be voting on a spurious basis, that will either give an unfair advantage to one team or make those who employ it look like utter...tortoises.

I also disagree with your buttonholing of my idea, as it takes into account past events and influences-like the known were-wolves-which the living wolf cannot react to based on what she (oops, I've made a crucial mistake-or have I?) reads.

Yes, the she thing was a joke too.

Remember our Ranger, villagers. Laughter is the best medicine. Don't lynch it on a knee-jerk reaction.

[Anguirel]

I have yet another piece of evidence that just because Glirdan describes the wolf as a he does not mean it is a male.

"Save yourselves!" Wayne cried and just then, Valier bit his head off with his powerful jaws.

Valier is, naturally, female. Allow me to pass some pinches of salt around.

But this isn't the first time Kath has used an entirely flimsy excuse for a deduction or attack. The innocent Eonwe suffered a Kathattack for his spelling, Garin for, if I remember rightly, his grammar. Finally Kath tried to clear, ahem, all females on the basis of a narration, which in any case do not contain clues, and which are, as seen above, pretty unreliable in exact matters of players' anatomical differences. A pattern is building. A pattern it's very hard to ignore. Though I've yet to adhere to my own plan, (and I will, fear not) I feel the time has come to cast my vote; of course I retain the right to retract it if it seems the best decision. This time, though, I believe I might be consistent.

++KATH

[Kath]

Ok Anguirel, have your fun. I won't go down the path of Shelob and Garin. Suffice it to say that I'm innocent.

Mith, I hope you'll return and change your vote, and that the rest of you don't get swayed by this silver-tongued beast.

[Mithalwen]

whether I change my vote.... well all I can say is I will once again reread in the light of everything new..... however sice the wolves...wolf has the habit of murdering the people who seem innocent to me.. I don't make much headway.

However ...I have thought Ang innocent for a long time ..but it is foolish to assume anything..... I have a relative amount of leisure now so I will review everything. But for now .... the vote stands.

Kath you are clever and persuasive but my instinct keeps telling me you aren't ringing true. I will let my intellect take it's turn.

[Mithalwen]

Mithalwen:
The wise walthy widow appears to already have taken a strong stand. She is known to be tricksy and a very cunning player which ever side she may reside on. I won't pretend to know what to expect from her other than something sneaky, sly, or silly.


Valesse.... it is not enough to make me change my vote for a spite one for you but this is both wrong and bordering on the personally offensive. I have been perfectly straightforward and open and I think you will find that there has and is a dramatic difference between my performances as part of the "village" and as one of the "three". Silly I may be at times - but sly and sneaky never. I really think that is uncalled for. All I have done is look at the evidence and said when I was confused and that I was sorry when I was wrong.

I have taken the strong stand becasue that is where the signs points to. I suggest you look at the evidence and refrain from pointless and inaccurate abuse. If you have charges back them up.

[Anguirel]

Safe in the knowledge that, as only one wolf remains, I won't be blamed for doing it, I have to defend Valesse from wolvishness or discourtesy, Mith.

This is after all her first village; she knows you're experienced and that makes her wary, not knowing as some of us do that you really don't take the side of evil, and that "sly and sneaky" are words far from your technique.

She was brave to have a stab at answering my questions, and though I agree she was a mile off with you you shouldn't blame her too harshly for it, if you ask me.

[Mithalwen]

Mith, I can understand if you've made your mind up, but may I just make one point in my defense? Why, if I were a wolf would I make the first vote for Valier, knowing there was a chance that the rest of the village might follow me as they had been doing up to that point? Just to make myself look innocent? It's a bit risky.

I actually came to thank you for putting me on to Valier in the first place, and to apologise for causing you to change your vote. I believe you be completely innocent right now if that's any consolation.

.


No it isn't ...I know I am innocent ...and you had plenty of time yesterday to credit me.
You agreed with Roa's innaccurate analysis... I believed her innocent but her poweres of analysis leave a lot for desired.

I voted for Eonwe because his behaviour was the most suspicious on Day 1.

You voted for him because of his English. Frankly if that were a problem non of us would have read past the opening post....

It still rankles that you misordered the alleged Eonwe bandwagon. Even reading backwards you should have been in the middle.

I didn't lament Garin per se ... I lamented the fact that 2 innocents had tore each other apart while the wolves lurked. There is a big difference. One would be hypocrisy the other is actually wanting the village to win.

I think your vote for Valier could have been a bold insurance policy which backfired. At this stage one wolf can be enough and the cursed it seems despite Ang's point, could well still be out there.


I find it a bizarre argument that one is suspicious because one isn't suspected... missing the obvious that a very good reason for not being suspected is that one is innocent and has behaved as such. Innocents don't actually know anything... they are most likely to get things wrong.

So......

We have left .... me.... innocent.

Ang I still think innocent due to Thinlomion vote and seeming to have been exonerated by the seer.....

Valesse has offended me but on the whole she has seemed more straight forward.

Gandalf..... can't help thinking that if he were the remaining wolf he would be less disconnected.... could be playing possum incredibly well.

So Kath..... If you were an innocent... I can't help thinking there would have been less concern for others opinions... and more straight analysis.

I have had a bad run with voting which I think has kept me alive so long. Getting the wolf today is my only chance.

Ang - I don't blame you, and you are as gallant as ever but we are meant to base our play on the game... if she doesn't know she shouldn't claim she does!!!

Anyway vote for Kath stands.

[Anguirel]

Time is running out for me and I must attempt my own analysis of the remaining villagers, and the wolf concealed somewhere among them.

1. Anguirel-Anguirel-Wolf would be easily the loudest of the triumvirate, but though he would be a major voice in deciding kills at Night he would be less proficient at working out strategies by Day, hoping to just argue his way out of trouble and somewhat trusting to luck. Though he would try to maintain his usual style (which he's really rather vain about), nerves and tension would have extreme effects, sometimes increasing the vehemence of his cases and sometimes dampening it, in each cases drastically. He would also do a lot of innocent-binding, the only wolvish trick he pulled off in the first Werewolf game. His reaction to being alone would be increased nerves, but also an increased desperation to keep those nerves out of sight.

2. Mithalwen-Had she lasted this long, Mithalwen would be awed at her own luck, and might well try to take refuge in reticence. She would have been very much primus inter pares with her fellow wolves, and they would have had a large impact on Day and Night strategy-collegiate leadership, if you like. Now alone, she would be desperately relying on fruitless duels between innocents to further her cause, but wouldn't be confident enough to try and instigate any, I feel.

3. Kath-Kath would rely on her coherent knowledge of voting records and ability to analyse to allow her to infer rather than accuse. Slow and persistent would be her motto-no double-lynchings for her if necessary. In retrospect, she will have regretted her second comrade's hanging but been pleased that her own part in it gave her such a useful card to play. She would also hang on to maturity and moral high ground with all she had.

4. Valesse is next to Mithalwen, it seems to me at the moment, as the most innocent-looking among us. However, she doesn't have the supportive strength of Mith's track record. If a wolf, she will not have played a leading role, leaving that to the more experienced (marginally) Valier, but she may have had useful contributions to make spotting Gifteds. She would play it not too chameleonic, not combative at all, compliant with the suggestions of others, hoping to avoid suspicion for long enough. This is the sketchiest analysis I've made, I feel. Valesse has a sort of "Luthien's cloak" quality about her...

5. Gandalf is the easiest to imagine as a wolf; his job being to flee the "spotlight of death". He helped cause the lynching of innocent Wayne and dueled with him in a desultory fashion throughout; like two pawns locked together in a game of chess, but is this pawn really a bishop? Like wolf-Valesse he would have accepted Valier's leadership. A thing to consider is that if he's a wolf and he wins we'll all be incredibly irritated. However, you might think being lupine would make him post a little. He's a nightmare wolf, a worst-case scenario wolf, but not yet, I feel, one made into reality.

[Anguirel]

And a final note-don't quote me, as Kath did earlier, as being sure the Cursed One is dead. All I said was that mathematically, there was a 60% chance they were lynched. Factor in Glirdan's narration (using your salt-pinch I provided earlier) and Sod's Law, you can make that percentage lower if you like. I've been beaten at the last minute by assuming the Cursed Villager was dead before, and would not like to be so again.

[Valesse]

Valesse.... it is not enough to make me change my vote for a spite one for you but this is both wrong and bordering on the personally offensive.

Ah! I meant none of that in offense, Mithalwen! It was a post made all under presumption of how each player would act were they a wolf. I know you to be a very clever person and in thus a gifted player. It was meant to be a kind of forehanded...insult (or whatever the opposite of a backhanded compliment is), in truth.

Anyway at no point did I mean to speak ill of you or anyone... except myself, but I am kind of airy. I'm sorry.

[Kath]

I don't want to give in to the inevitability of my death, but I fear that saying anything more will just give Anguirel more fuel.

But I do want to counter some of what you said Mith, because I find some of it unfair.

I did have time to credit you yesterday, but yesterday I saw no need to and hadn't looked hard enough at Valier to see that you could be right.

The Day 1 vote for Eonwe was a random vote, but we get complained at when it's completely random so I used the one thing I could.

As for misordering the names, since I didn't use the order to set up any accusations or even suspicions I truly don't see why it matters. It was not an attempt to make you look suspicious or to clear mine. I apologise if it upset you, but it was certainly not intended in any malicious way.

If I am to die, I don't want to go while you still harbour ill feelings towards me, and I hope that this goes some way to apologising for any hurt I might have caused you.

All I ask is that when I am proved innocent, you look closely at Anguirel. I know you will anyway since he was so persistent in getting me lynched, but consider it a last request.

[Kath]

Well I must be off now so I'll say goodbye and wish you good luck tomorrow if the morning finds me dead.

++ANGUIREL

Not exactly a surprise :rolleyes:

[Gandalf_the _white]

will there be a double lynch if the voting stays this way? I personally don't think this is wise all right it worked last time but still we could get two innocents and hand the game to the wolfs on a plate
but i can't think of anyone i feel is suspicious (its too late lol) so i won't vote

[Valesse]

No Gandalf. Unless someone decides to not vote today there can be no tie. So you don't have to search them out, though they are all on this page:

Mith: Kath
Ang: Kath
Kath: Ang

I've been taking my time considering this one... seems I've too hasty.

[Valesse]

Its getting late and I don't think I will be checking in by the time 'time' is called, so its... time to vote.

I'm hurt that I hurt Mith's feelings. I've spent a good hour and a half feeling the wrath of my most toxic eyelash enhancer thinking about it alone, and it made me feel careless, heartless, and overall blue. However her vote does not affect my own.

If our wolf is not Kath, then I will not allow them the pleasure or chance of a double lynching.

I singled out her posts which mention Valier, and here is what evidence I see in it:

[--#61 Kath mentions Valier in passing. Suggests Valier and Eonwe are in kahoots... votes Eonwe.
--#127 Commended Valier's analysis of Eomer's posts.]*

--#345 Kath appears to become aware of Valier's presence once again.

[--#353 Appears defensive of Valier toward Roa.
--#363 Lists Valier as a possible wolf
--#368 First hint of being suspicious of Valier, requests explanation.
--#377 Votes for Valier]**

* A lack of acknowledgement possibly to hide any kind of relationship.

**Within 24 posts (And more importantly one Night) she went from defending to starting the lynch mob against Valier. The Wayne+Gandalf lynch plan has already been mentioned, and so has the wolf-list which left her in parenthesis beside mention of other posts send a message of self-innocence (mostly by Ang and of this Day).

And so...

++ Kath

[Glirdan]

Ok, everyone please stop voting. I'll have the death up shortly.

[Glirdan]

After burrying the remains of Roa (which wasn't that hard), the remaining villagers gathered in the square to discuss their next move. "What ever we do, we have to make it count," Kath stated. "If we don't, we will be in so much trouble in the morning!"

"Well, I say we vote now!" Ang cried. Right then and there, they voted. Only four of the five voted. Gandalf decided it would be better off to save his vote until past voting time. ( :rolleyes: ) "Well Kath," Mith said bitterly. "Looks like your the one."

"Well I never!!" Kath cried. "I've hearded this here village's tortoise's without pay, and this is the thanks I get!?" she cried hysterically.

"SHUT UP!!" Valesse yelled. Everyone was very agitated and nervous. "Ok, now that we've decided whom to lynch, how will we lynch her. Don't you remember? The gallows collapsed."

"We could always feed her to her tortoise's?" Mith suggested quietly. With that, they tied her up, led her to her tortoise pens and threw her in. Very slowly, the tortoise's walked over to the body and began to eat at her. She screamed in pain as one, who had particularly sharp teeth, bit into her neck and didn't let go. She continued to scream untill she ran out of breath. She then died, gasping for air. The villagers watched and waited. But nothing happened. Another day gone, another innocent slain.

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword
Shelob(Ordor) - Day 2 - killed herself with her scciors in sacrifice
tar-ancalime(Seer) - Night 3 - stabbed by spear through the heart
Feanor of the Peredhil(Hunter) - Night 3 -Mauled on both sides
Garin(Ordo) - Day 3 - Buzz sawed neatly in two
Crombie(Ordo) - Night 4 - Torn to bits and body pieces dispersed through house
Wayne(Ordo) - Day 4 - Head bitten off by Valier
Valier(Wolf) - Day 4 - Burned to death by one of Gandalf's spells
Roa(Ordo) - Night 5 - Flesh eaten right off and only bones remain
Kath(Ordo) - Day 5 - Died gasping for air as a tortoise bit her neck

Alive
Ang
Mith
Gandalf
Valesse

Day 5 is over. Night 6 starts. Need a name from the Wolf. Sorry for any wierd things that I've said in the deaths. I've been out of it due to stress because of exams.

[Glirdan]

Gandalf sat in his living room, thinking of all the different spells he uses each night to protect his house. Tonight, however, nothing was coming to him. "What is the matter with me!?" he cried out loud. That's when images of the dead villagers flashed before his eyes. Right then and there, he broke down, balling his eyes out. The he heard a scratch at window and he jumped. "Oh!! It's just a tree branch!" Then he heard a knock at the door. He jumped and the door swung open. "Oh! It's just the wind." The he heard another scratch at the window. "I'm not falling for that one again."

"Maybe not. But you should be afraid!" snarled the figure lumbering towards him.

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The villagers awoke in the morning, lumbered out of bed, got dressed groggily and slumped to the village square. There was a sad, depressed mood in the air. To no one's surprise, they noticed that Gandalf was the one missing this time. "Oh, I really don't want to go see what's happened to the guy. After all teh dead bodies of friends that I've seen, I think I might throw up!" Valesse said solemnly(sp?). Just then, Mith screamed in terror. "What!? What is it!?"

"Gan-gan-GANDALF!!" Mith gasped, and she fell in faint. Ang and Valesse turned to where she was pointing an saw the most ghastly sight that they've ever seen. Gandalf's body was right there, in the middle of the square, torn to bits yet placed in the shape of the message:

Hurry up and catch me
For thee only have one day to find me!

Of course, there were letters left out of some of the words, yet they were able to read the crudely shaped words. True to her word, Valesse threw up on the spot.

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword
Shelob(Ordor) - Day 2 - killed herself with her scciors in sacrifice
tar-ancalime(Seer) - Night 3 - stabbed by spear through the heart
Feanor of the Peredhil(Hunter) - Night 3 -Mauled on both sides
Garin(Ordo) - Day 3 - Buzz sawed neatly in two
Crombie(Ordo) - Night 4 - Torn to bits and body pieces dispersed through house
Wayne(Ordo) - Day 4 - Head bitten off by Valier
Valier(Wolf) - Day 4 - Burned to death by one of Gandalf's spells
Roa(Ordo) - Night 5 - Flesh eaten right off and only bones remain
Kath(Ordo) - Day 5 - Died gasping for air as a tortoise bit her neck
Gandalf(Ordo) - Night 6 - Body torn to bits and placed in a crudely shaped message

Alive
Ang
Mith
Valesse

It's down to the last day. Good luck!!

[Anguirel]

That wolf's grammar is dreadful.

An interesting choice of kill by the lupine, illiterate vermin. I confess Gandalf_the_White was my prime suspect after the revelation of Kath's innocence, against all the odds.

Comforting at least to know that we're being beaten not by sheer dumb silence...but by...acrobatic...skill.

The unobtrusive, hesitant maiden who cast her vote for Eonwe and got away with it. Who so cunningly left Valier to hang in vain, making her voting record just as good-just as dangerous, therefore-as mine. Who did, in a way, attempt to cast suspicion on Mith.

It has to be Valesse. Mith herself I'm not considering. You should have slain her last night, she-wolf, for she's a clearly unambiguous figure. She has a bad voting record, worst out of us three. She's befuddled by events. Such tactics don't fit with her as a wolf in the least, and they've been patently clear from the start. She will have to be our arbiter today.

As for myself-I have Kath's word against me. But she was herself but a fallible innocent, after all. Eonwe and Shelob both fell by her vote, though Valier too. Her reaction was defensive and natural. But mistaken, I assure you.

[Valesse]

we're being beaten not by sheer dumb silence...but by...acrobatic...skill.
I have to admit... thats a charming little blurb. :p

As for the accusation: My vote for Eonwe even you admitted was more justified than your own. The Day of Valier death I tried to make clear that I did not want a double lynching, but since I was totally unsure of who I believed to be a wolf that Day I let the village's will decide.

Where did I try to cast suspicion onto Mith, goodly knight? The post you encouraged us all to write about "How so-and-so would act as the last wolf"?

[Anguirel]

Oh, for Mith to turn up. The last Day is almost as bad as the first.

It's left to me to parry and riposte.

As for the accusation: My vote for Eonwe even you admitted was more justified than your own. The Day of Valier death I tried to make clear that I did not want a double lynching, but since I was totally unsure of who I believed to be a wolf that Day I let the village's will decide.

I admitted nothing of the kind actually, unless perhaps you're addressing Mith. I just looked back, and the gist of what I said was that your justification was ominously vague (something about "tactics", without qualification) but that I thought you seemed like a panicked innocent.

As for my own vote for Thinlomien , I justified it perfectly after the lynching, though it was, true, shrouded in assumed insanity prior to that point...

"Let the villages will decide." In other words, you were passive. There was still my vote to come in all possibility. The situation hung on a knife's edge. Good, but not quite good enough, o demoiselle acrobatique.

Where did I try to cast suspicion onto Mith, goodly knight? The post you encouraged us all to write about "How so-and-so would act as the last wolf"?

A fair point. I had asked for an opinion, and you did warn you might be somewhat off due to lack of experience. The fact remains that you were quite startlingly off...but perhaps I should let that particular element pass.

The rest is very far from silence, however.

In two and a half hours my time here will be curtailed. I shall retire to the chapel of the Anguirelli and pray for a wise decision. But I will have to cast my vote first, and at this rate Mith is not going to be its recipient.

[Mithalwen]

I am here ... I didn't expect to be here. Maybe if I work out why I am here I will have a better chance of making the right decision.

[Valesse]

Ack! I got my source wrong! :o Well this is great.

Those were the words of Kath, and in her memory I am deeply embarassed to have confused the two of you. This has been a hectic week and I a exhaused. As far as being passive: I found no reason not to be instead of making a mindless accusation. Am I not allowed to do so, when I had no dramatic suspisions which would make me act otherwise?

About being "startingly off" about Mithalwen: I have never really spoken to her, so from what basis is left for assumption that I had past knowing her to be a clever person, and hearing about her success in past games what more could a girl say? I did what you asked of me to the best of my ability at the time, and for that I am suspected of wolvery? What trechery is this?

[Mithalwen]

I would point out that this is not a question of who knows me best that we have to decide. We have to decide which of us is a wolf.

Needless to say in my case I have to decide which of you is a werewolf... but then I would wouldn't I . :rolleyes:

I am going to reread with the two options in mind and it will be the overall picture not a bit of nit-picking that is likely to be a truer guide at this stage.

[Anguirel]

I accept your arbitration, Mith. However, by definition this means I have no choice which way to vote-and vote I must. I can scarcely, having placed myself under your jurisdiction, declare you guilty, and, as I still hope we may attain victory, I do not intend to self-defeatingly accuse myself. I have never done so in the past and, Valar willing, will not do in the future.

That means that, however insecure my case-and while Valesse seems the most stained with guilt to me, there is far less indication of her skullduggery than there was in the case of the innocent Kath-I have no option other than to vote

++VALESSE

I am sure you will understand. I place justice in the wealthy widow's hands, and as the remaining representative of the secular nobility, by the power invested in me I appoint her Chief Arbiter of Mejis. For the next hour I will be intermittently present. I will provide further arguments for my case if our judge requests it, but otherwise I shall leave her to consider.

If I am wrong and Mith is the last wolf...she must have been taking tuition from local, ah, phantoms, and frankly I am too impressed with her performance to wish to vote against her.

[Mithalwen]

I assure you my incompetence is entirely my own. To inflict this on me is surely the woves cruellest jest

[Mithalwen]

What would happen if I vote for my self because I can't decide ? I am bound to choose wrong anyway :(

[Anguirel]

Don't take that course. If you're truly completely torn, leave it to the gods, find your shiniest coin, and toss it.

My only request is that I be heads. But I would exhort you to make a decision.

Fair ladies, Mithalwen and Valesse, though I fear one of you is a sworn enemy, yet you have bourne yourselves well and courteously. When I return all will be over, to the doom of at least one of us and at most all.

It is with complete sincerity that I bid you a sorrowful farewell. The wolf too, for worthy enemies must be honoured, coward and recreant though they be.

Good luck and may the Valar harbour you.

[Mithalwen]

Valesse -if you are there could you tell me why you did not vote on day 4... just before i look for a coin...... :(

[Mithalwen]

THis is insanely hard but I have reread everything ....and thought... I know one of you is guilty but I have been much better at hunches of innocence than guilt.

Too long I have assumed Ang's innocence and that has made me overlook much. Especially the first day. Ang said something about the third wolf sending to Barad dur for more competent accomplices. And hurrhing the idea that Thin was the Seer after having voted for Thin....

I now think that Tar thought you innocent for the Thin vote not a dream.

I wish I could be certain .... I can't be but I have to vote. I don't like that Val did not vote on Day 4 when she could have stopped the double lynch she wanted to avoid. But ................. Oh I can't help thinking that if Ang were innocent he should have suspected me more .... he banks so much on my incompetence... I have been wrong about everything else this game. I may aswell add my presumption of his innocence.

++Anguirel
I may as well live or die befuddled. I am sorry if I have got this wrong and if I have I leave my money to found a sanctuary for the villages "orphaned"cats and tortoises.

[Valesse]

Please pardon my lateness.

I did not vote on Day four because I did not believe I was able to discern the last two wolves from either the highly accused or varied suspects. I know I could have spared a life, yes, but at the time I was not willing to bring disbalance in the community. Frankly, I probably wouldn't have voted for Valier had I been made to.

Mithalwen has done nothing to truely rouse my suspicions at any point of this game. Before this Day came I had my eyes on both Ang and Gandalf... seeing that Ang is still here... well this last point speaks for itself.

++ Anguirel

Besides... if I were a wolf, why would I have asked "Why aren't you accusing me?"

[Glirdan]

Well, here comes the moment you've all been waiting for. The final Wolf unmasked. However, you will all have to wait while I go cast-out someone on Hobbit Survivor and make the final death. I leave you in suspense!! :D *insert evil grin here*

[Glirdan]

After burying the remains of Gandalf, the final three villagers, Ang, Valesse and Mith, gathered for the last time in their once beautiful, lively village square. They looked around, reminicing all the wonderful and horrid events that happened in their beautiful town. Finally, they stirred and looked at each other accusingly. "Well, here we are," Ang said slowly.

"Here at the end of all things," Valesse said with a slight smile, remembering the words of a long time friend.

"Well, what are we sitting here doing!?" Mith cried with anticipation. "I want to find this Wolf and get the heck out of here!! This village has brought me nothing but pain and sorrow these last few years!! Dead husbands and now dead friends!! I can't take it!!"

"Well Mith, I know you would never have done such a thing. You're to innocent. It has to be the acrobat from out of town!" Ang yelled accusingly towards Valesse. "Why else would you have been so quick to strangle Thin with that chord!? You have my vote!!"

"Well, that was a totaly random accusation. How can you be so sure that Mith isn't the Wolf? No offense Mith," Valesse said quickly. Then she turned back to Ang. "As for you, something about you just isn't sitting right with me. You have my vote!"

"Well Mith, it looks like the fate of our lives is in your hands," Ang said. "Now, think this over care-"

"-fully? Oh, don't worry about that, Wolf!!" Mith cried. "Valesse is right. The way you jumped at her!! You're the Wolf!!" She cried.

"HAHAHAHA!!!" Ang cackled evily as he turned into a monstrous beast. "Well, it took you fools long enough to figure that out!! Now that all the others are gone, I'm going to eat you both whole and chew on your bones and when I'm done, I'll move onto the next village and convert two more to join me and repeat the process. The best part is that no one will ever find out what happened!!!" He cried and lunged at Mith who screamed in fear. Just then, a strong Eastern wind blew in and from the ground arose white, opalescent figures. They were the bodies of their dead friends. The white figures encircled Ang and advanced towards him slowly. "What!? No!! Get away from me!! Go!! Leave me alone!" Ang cried in terror. The figures kept advancing. Once they reached him, they grabbed him and as they did, a whole opened up underneath. The figures sank slowly into the ground and the hole closed up around them. "Goodbye my friends," Valesse said sadly.

"Yes, thank you for everything!" Mith cried. Then she turned to the Valesse. "Well, it's over my friend. And now I have a questionm."

"What's that?" Valesse asked curiously.

"Do you have any room in that travelling circus of yours?" Then they laughed and cried in remembrance of all their dead friends and started walking slowly from the quiet little town Mejis.

Villagers win!!

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword
Shelob(Ordor) - Day 2 - killed herself with her scciors in sacrifice
tar-ancalime(Seer) - Night 3 - stabbed by spear through the heart
Feanor of the Peredhil(Hunter) - Night 3 -Mauled on both sides
Garin(Ordo) - Day 3 - Buzz sawed neatly in two
Crombie(Ordo) - Night 4 - Torn to bits and body pieces dispersed through house
Wayne(Ordo) - Day 4 - Head bitten off by Valier
Valier(Wolf) - Day 4 - Burned to death by one of Gandalf's spells
Roa(Ordo) - Night 5 - Flesh eaten right off and only bones remain
Kath(Ordo) - Day 5 - Died gasping for air as a tortoise bit her neck
Gandalf(Ordo) - Night 6 - Body torn to bits and placed in a crudely shaped message
Ang(Wolf) - Day 6 - brought under ground by the dead villagers

Alive
Mith
Valesse

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Well, that was a fun game to mod for. Expect another long post with thank you's and the what not. Also, for those who I haven't repped, expect it to come soon.

[Glirdan]

First thing first, here's a list of what happened at Night.

Wolves
Night 2 - Eomer
Night 3 - Fea
Night 4 - Crombie
Night 5 - Roa
Night 6 - Gandalf

Seer
Night 1 - Fea
Night 2 - Shelbo
Night 3 - Valesse

Hunter
Night 2 - Shelob
Night 3 - tar

Ranger
Night 2 - tar

Now, if the people who were in these roles could explain their choices, if you want to that is, be my guest. Now to get on to the thanks and what not.

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Wolves: Thin - To bad you weren't able to make it all the way. Good job none the less.

Valier - I don't know if that was your first game, but if it was, good job making it all as far as you did.

Ang - My final dear Wolf. You played such a good deciever. I had such a HUGE feeling that you were going to be able to pull it off. I think if you would have changed the kill on the last Night, you would have pulled it off. Great job none the less!!

Tar - You did rather well. Sucks that the Hunter didn't trust you, but you can't really do anything about that. Blame it on Eru!! :D Got a quick question. I noticed that the first two Nights you went for the more experienced players to dream about. Was that you're strategy?

Eomer - All I have to say is that you must be psychic. You were right. The Wolves ended up going for you that Night anyway.

Fea - I was so glad that you were in this game again. I was wondering if you were going to pull what you did in the last game. It was really great to have you in the game.

Newbies(Garin, Gandalf and Roa(?) [I'll get to you later Valesse]) - I must say that you did good for your first game. Both of you. Good job.

Wayne, Crombie, Eonwe, Kath and Shelob - Thanks to all of you for playing in this game.

Valesse - You did AWSOME for your first game!!! Way to go. A big congrats goes out to you! You deserve! I hope you play in another one, but this time one where I'm playing!

Mith - Thank you for playing! Good job on making it to the end!! Way to go!

Backup - modgod - Gil, even though you only needed to cover for me once, I thank you. You saved me there.

Last but not least, Sleepy - Sucks that you weren't able to mod this game. I'm sure you would have done great. But we'll see in the next game. Good luck!!

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Thank you to everyone for playing in the game. I had a lot of fun modding (again) and I must tell you that some of the deaths (Garin's and Crombie's the most), I had so much fun writing them!! I hope you liked them.

Now, I'm sure you're all wondering "Who the heck is the Cursed?" Am I right? Well, here it is!! Another moment you've been waiting for...

Drum role please!!

Badadadadah!!!!

And it was Kath!!

Thanks for playing everyone!! :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ah, explaining my choices. Well...

To lie, or not to lie? Ah, truth will out, they always say. My life recently took on some very unexpected new things which lessen my internet time but increase my smiles. In any case, between classes, fighting illness, working, getting homework done, and acquainting myself with some new folks, I was running short on time and concentration.

Choice One was random because it was Night One and had nothing to go on. Choice Two was random because I was in a huge hurry and merely picked a name off of the list. The wolves struck it rich on that one.

Great game, all. Wish I'd had more time to choose, but such is Life.

[Garin]

I always suspected Ang but that darn vote for Thin, masterful play Anguirel. I should have gone with instinct.

[Anguirel]

I always had an inkling Mith would suss me out. She's good at that!

When I wrote that courteous farewell, I was pretty sure I'd be chosen to be hanged.

This has been the game I've enjoyed most by far. Valier was such a good student (!) and there's something disturbingly satisfying about seeing kills in the morning.

Now, to sum up what happened when you were all abed.

On Night 1, I gave out standard advice and we prepared to go over the top.

During Day 1, I'd love to say my Thinlomien vote was a piece of strategic brilliance. Actually, the explanation lies later in the game when I note "I'm really chronic at Maths!"

On Night 2, I only spotted Eomer's hint late into the night, but luckily we still hadn't chosen our kill. I set Glirdan a PM-"Doctor indeed! Goodbye Master Ranger..."

On Day 2, you pretty much did our job for us, going for poor Shelob, and in the process I became increasingly suspicious that tar-ancalime might be the Seer.

On Night 3, we were torn between Fea-whom I was certain was the Hunter and certain would kill another inocent-and tar-ancalime, whom I only suspected as a Seer. Valier opted for Fea and so it was. It was with regret that I realised events had forced me to kill off the two most amusing players in the game...

Fea killing tar was a scenario I had envisaged in my most optimistic dreams, and it came true.

On Day 3, Garin was everyone's prime target, but the mess up about the posting of his death made me suspiciously angry...I should have controlled myself better.

On Night 4 I left Valier to take out Abercrombie. I also was off for a day and expecting her to handle Day 4. Imagine my horror when I found she'd been double-lynched! I killed my first comrade by a vote, my second by a non-vote.

On Night 5 I killed Roa as a Valier voter not generally suspected, and also in the hope she was the Cursed Villager. No such luck. During the following day I focussed suspicion on Kath-not in itself a mistake; I could have got away with it. It did look like a duel between mistaken innocents. Kath came off worse. Notice that people being lynched invariably post a lot?

Now, Night 6. Long and hard I strove. The choices were as follows-

Kill Mith and frame Gandalf with Valesse onside
But Valesse was an unknown quantity, and I was uncertain of acquiring her support. There would also be the problem of Gandalf himself. With either threadbare posts or none at all, he would be hard to portray as a cornered villain, and the last day would be far more boring.

Kill Valesse and frame Gandalf with Mith onside
This was my original idea. But I became less keen on it as the night wore on. I had obviously cast suspicion on Gandalf prior to that, and cui bono would be against me.

Kill Gandalf and frame Valesse with Mith onside
This is what I opted for. It eliminated Gandalf and ensured there'd be three effective voices on the last day. I also knew of division between Valesse and Mith. It almost worked...

But anyway, this was a brilliant game. I offer my regards to Lady Mithalwen and Mistress Valesse, the Wolfslayers!

[tar-ancalime]

On Day 2, you pretty much did our job for us, going for poor Shelob, and in the process I became increasingly suspicious that tar-ancalime might be the Seer.

Yes, I was afraid of that when it came down to Shelob. Knowing her identity as I did, I couldn't stand idly by and let her be lynched, and yet it was hard to come to her defense without tipping my own hand. I thought long and hard before saying anything at all--I dreamed of her the previous Night in the first place because I was sure she'd be the main topic of discussion the following Day. Perhaps it would have been better to stay in the dark.

And I am so sorry that my offhand comment about Anguirel's innocence was taken for a dream. I only put that in to disguise my comments about Fea, which were based on a dream and which I wanted to leave as a record....just in case. I hadn't really started planning for my death yet--I figured i had one more Day.

Ang, how did you know Fea was the Hunter? I know how I knew, ( :eek: ) but how did you know?

Masterful wolvery. I only wish I could have been around to play a little longer.

[Anguirel]

She hinted about Huntership a lot. The one that clinched it though was "I cannot save lives, only help take them".

[Gandalf_the _white]

Good game everyone! I'm surprised I lasted as long as I did but I enjoyed it and would like to be in another game in the future

[Mithalwen]

Ang..it was very close ...but it wasn't so much what you said on the last day but the fact we were both there that made me go back and everything made so much more sense with you being the wolf. Especially day one.

No offence intended to less experienced players but it seemed to me that the degree of cool and skill displayed required an experienced player. That pointed to Kath or Ang. Too late for Kath did I realise that Tars comments might have been based on the Thin vote and not the dream but I am comforted that she was cursed so we were better off lynching her. RL pressures meant that I had not been as thorough as I might have been with early posts... so much hot air between innocents it seemed and irrelevant. When on Saturday I decided to look at Valier and Valesse .... Valier did seem more likely.... it seemed unlikely that both would be wolves. I would have expected more distance between them. But Valesses abstention did give me doubts.

Anguirel you do know me very well and for a long time it inspired trust. But then it got too much ... and also the wolf did seem to pick off anyone that I said was innocent except you...... Then at the end ...you were just too confident of my innocence ... an innocent would have surely been more doubtful.

If you had killed Val not Gandalf, I might well have been persuaded... save he was a little too disconnected even for a laid back wolf.

Having left me alive it was the reaction to Thin's lynching and the Garin fiasco that clinched it.... btu it was so close. I really didn't want you to be a werewolf especially after I had believed you innocent all along but ...you were unlucky I had the time to read everything before I decided .... and that I always go tails on coin tosses.......

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I gave Anguirel the benefit of the doubt until the final day. Well done to the villagers for discovering the wolves, though there are not many of you to enjoy the village that is left! ;)

About my hint: What I had planned was to leave this hint so that the villagers would not lynch me, but at the same time cause a lot of noise and antagonism so that the wolves would not kill me. Thus, I could serve and protect for a few days at least. My guess about Wolflomien just happened to be spot on. It would have been better had I been an Ordinary Villager.

There was the slightest chance that the wolves would have attacked tar so that's why I protected her that night.

Can't for the life of me understand why Fea wanted to kill tar, considering her vote for Thin and also her insightful posts.

Shelob, I guessed you were innocent. Your whole demeanour suggested "I'm really, really innocent--Why won't you believe me?!?!" Been there, lass. It's not fun. ;)

Anyway, fun game. I enjoyed watching it. :)

[Thinlómien]

It was such fun watching you... :D

Ang you played very, very well. Sometimes I was just sitting mouth wide when I read your posts. Valier was also very good. Kudos for getting that far, both of you! We nearly won.

And you villagers... Maybe the best thing in being a wolf lynched on the first day is that you know who else are wolves, but the ordos don't; they just struggle and suspect everyone. But, I must congratulate you. After all, it was you who won.

I, myself, didn't play that well. First I was too careless accusing Eomer (he later informed that it was very wolfish choice since he wasn't doing so well) and later I was too careful making reasons. My purpose was actually just play giving a revenge-vote and make it look that I tried to hide it was a revenge-vote. Too complicated. And honestly, I had nearly decided to vote Eomer when Fea voted him. I was so frustrated! I had no intention to bandwagon. And I cross-posted with the two other Eomer-voters, but my mistake was not to admit the cross-posting. (I had the empty reply space before me for something like 40 minutes and I just tried to make my post seem un-wolfish...) I thought that I would look even more wolfish if I admitted that I had used over half an hour to write only a few sentences...

[Kath]

Ah that was a fun game! Me the Cursed eh, guess it's lucky I died the last day. All I can say is thanks to Mith and Valesse for listening to my dying comments and lynching Ang - I wanted to kill that guy from Day 1, but I suppose no one would have supported the idea then.

Anyway, well done Mith and Valesse - you won!

Glirdan, I have to ask, was it really a slip of the tongue when you wrote about the wolf being a he and the Cursed still being around or not?

[Valier]

That game was great!! Being a wolf is so satisfiying...until you die! I think I got a little bored on the day of my double lynch, If I stayed away from helping with the analysis i may have lived a little long.
All I kept hoping was that Ang would show up at the last moment and sway the vote away from me, But then he would have caused more suspision towards himself.

SORRY TO ALL I KILLED!!!!(Bwah ha ha )

Sorry you didn't live longer Thin,It could have been funner.......is that a word?

[Thinlómien]

Sorry you didn't live longer Thin,It could have been funner.......is that a word?
I guess it was sheer luck that they caught me. Or was it?

[Thinlómien]

Most posts in this thread
1) Garin 59
2) Kath 53
3) Anguirel 52
What does this tell us, I wonder...

[Kath]

What does this tell us, I wonder...
:D That I actually had time to post this game!

[Garin]

All I kept hoping was that Ang would show up at the last moment and sway the vote away from me, But then he would have caused more suspision towards himself.
Anguirel seemed commited to self preservation and his lack of commitment to his fellow wolves certainly made him less suspicious, though I thought him wolfish from the beginning. It was masterful how he managed to have me yank a vote from him and vote for innocent lil' Shelob. After this experience, I am not a fan of retractable votes because my instinct to vote for Ang was correct. Howevever, his self preservation strategy failed because the wolves lost. Remember, wolves normally work in packs. I'm glad the selfishness failed.
What does this tell us, I wonder...
That I need to shut my big yap.

[Anguirel]

Howevever, his self preservation strategy failed because the wolves lost. Remember, wolves normally work in packs. I'm glad the selfishness failed.

Oh, I don't know. Call me a were-leopard, but I think the lone hunter aspect worked rather well. It wasn't that that brought me down...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

She hinted about Huntership a lot. The one that clinched it though was "I cannot save lives, only help take them".
Impressive, m'boy. But what you took as a hint wasn't one I meant to give. By that line, I meant only that I wasn't likely to be helpful. Which it turns out, I wasn't to the village, though I seem to have been a great ally to the wolves. If you want to see my reaction to my death, check out the Famous Last Words thread. :rolleyes: Or ask Glirdan or tar-a. :)

Anyhow, my real hints had nothing to do with what I chose to say. I hope somebody found them...

Can't for the life of me understand why Fea wanted to kill tar, considering her vote for Thin and also her insightful posts.
I said it already, my dear... random name off of the list. No thought behind it as much as *close my eyes and point* ah, tar-a. I didn't exactly expect to die, so I figured that my random choice would be harmless.

You know what my favorite line of my own was?

It's day one. There's nothing to go on except random accusations.

Anguirel, you're a werewolf.
Oh, and looking back, post 84 was transparent. "The Hunter has no idea what s/he's doing!" Read: I had no idea what I was doing. *sigh*

If I hadn't been so busy I'd have been more careful.

Fun while it lasted... would have been more fun if I hadn't been so insanely busy.

[Thinlómien]

Your favourite line is quite astounding, Fea.

[Anguirel]

That tempted me to regard you as a Seer for about ten seconds. Then I decided to throw care to the wind and play along...fight fire with fire...

In fact, Fea, I used to be a straightforward sort of player. This game and XIII both show signs of your technique's insidious influence! I call it "Werewolf as Art Form"...

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Wow...turns out I'm pretty awful at guessing who werewolves are.

Thinlomien: would never have guessed (at least not from the first day.)

Valier: didn't even consider you to be a wolf. Ever.

Anguirel: I only suspected you right after I died. I was fairly sure that I'd be the one dead that night, but I determined that you would be the one that I wanted lynched if I did suvive. Alas, it was not meant to be.

Great job, everyone. And Glirdan and Gil too. You wrote me a fantastic death sequence Glirdan. Of course, as soon as I read it, I was off spouting about Gloucester and "Out, out vile jelly!" (Shakespeare's King Lear)... Will someone lead me to Dover?

[Mithalwen]

Kudos to Valesse who kept her head so well under pressure. She will prove a dangerous wolf sometime I am sure.

This game reminded me a lot of WW1. Reminding me of Kuruharan at various points made me suspect Val and ultimately Ang.... didn't want to make the same mistake twice.

There was also the arguing innocents provoding cover....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

In fact, Fea, I used to be a straightforward sort of player. This game and XIII both show signs of your technique's insidious influence! I call it "Werewolf as Art Form"...
You'd be amazed at how insidious it is. I've had so many people tell me that they're playing like me that it makes me nervous to play beside them... I don't trust myself! :p

[Thinlómien]

Thinlomien: would never have guessed (at least not from the first day.) I'm quite happy that you all weren't sure that I was a wolf. :rolleyes:

[Garin]

Oh, I don't know. Call me a were-leopard, but I think the lone hunter aspect worked rather well. It wasn't that that brought me down...
Villagers won, werewolves lost. I don't see how that works out well but again you deserve accolades for your manipulation of me but the end result was that you lost.

[Anguirel]

Now, now! No need to kick a were-leopard when it's down...

[Valesse]

Wow... What a game. The entire time I felt like an evil edittor writing and rewriting everything infront of me-- and I even miss quoted (boy was my face red!). I really, honestly thought I'd die the second day/third night. Thats where all of my nerves were. I don't know why... perhaps it was tar dreaming about me... but I just felt so nervous!

Thank you for all of the props, kudos, congratulations, one ups everyone! I had a blast even if I was a bit brain-dead at points. Hopefully I helped out at least a little (other than that last vote :rolleyes: )

Kudos to Valesse who kept her head so well under pressure. She will prove a dangerous wolf sometime I am sure.
Mwahahaha! Mwah! Ha! Ha!

Actually I wrote about three to five posts that "didn't make the cut" yesterday. While online I seemed cool and collected offline I was certifiable. In short I'll try to weasel my way into another game soon! :p

[Glirdan]

Glirdan, I have to ask, was it really a slip of the tongue when you wrote about the wolf being a he and the Cursed still being around or not?

Yes, completely slip of the tongue. I meant say "the Wolf." But I was tired and stressed. So......

You wrote me a fantastic death sequence Glirdan.

Your death was one of my favorites. I absolutely loved it!! Glad you liked it to.

[Garin]

Now, now! No need to kick a were-leopard when it's down...
No offense intended Ang, I think I've learned much from this experience and I hope to hear from poor Shelob. I mean, I knew you were a wolf inside my bones but both nights I managed to switch my vote to an innocent. It was due to your masterful manipulation. My only intent in viewing that the Lycans failed is learn an nice gray area in which to reside.
I told Abercrombie (post-both of our deaths) that if you were a wolf I'd eat my hat. All I can say now... Anybody have some water to wash this down?

[Eonwe]

Holy crap! Holy crap! Glirdan, please back me here. Did I NOT send you a pm right after i died saying i would bet my bottom dollar Ang was a wolf. Wow, I feel vindicated...

Ok sorry, enough tooting of my own horn... :rolleyes:

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, that was fun. But @&!@#$ if I wasn't ticked when I found out I was dead. I was banking on the whole "killing the experienced players" thing the wolves had going, so I'd figured I'd be around another day. The next death was going to tell me so much- except it was mine.

At that point I had it narrowed to Ang/Val, and I even PM'd Val to ask her if she was the wolf. Imagine my frustration that day Kath was lynched. Anyways, I'm so in the next game.

[Glirdan]

Yes Eonwe, you did indeed send me a PM saying that. It's true!! I swear on my Barrow.

[Mithalwen]

Villagers won, werewolves lost. I don't see how that works out well but again you deserve accolades for your manipulation of me but the end result was that you lost.

I would second Ang on this... in many ways a lone wolf is harder to pin down. Ang has come a very long way from the first game Where we spotted him on day one and picked off an incriminated accomplice on day 2. Wolf 3 managed to win by never quite being sufficiently high on the list of the suspicious to get lynched. It is quite inspiring to know that it is possible to learn to be a wolf ( since I too am a member if the "Lynched on Day One Werewolf Club" and would like to welcome our newest memeber Thinlomien!).

This was a very good game because it truly went down to the wire. Ang was the ruthless leader, thin the sacrifice. Valier did the quiet wolf very well - if the noisy folk hadn't killed each other so quickly she might well have continued on her unobtrusive way.

In a strange way I think the key to the victory was lynching Kath. If we had gone for Gandalf I think there was a good chance she would have been "not killed" by Ang and it would have been good night Irene for the village.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I win again thats three wins out of 8. :D

[Thinlómien]

It is quite inspiring to know that it is possible to learn to be a wolf ( since I too am a member if the "Lynched on Day One Werewolf Club" and would like to welcome our newest memeber Thinlomien!). Thanks for the welcome! Who else are members?

[Anguirel]

dancing spawn for one...

[Glirdan]

Sad to say that I've never been a Wolf. I wish I was at least once.... But hey!! I'll get that chance soon. Great game everyone!! Have fun in Kitanna's!! :D