WWJ III - Nan Qualinmerë: Death Wish Valley

[Glirdan]

In a dark little town, in the North East, just over the Misty Mountains, a little town of some eighteen people lived. It was a farmin town, mostly of livestock, but they had other little shops as well. There was enought traffic going through Mejis (the town) which was rather surprising considering they were so far up North.

Then, one day, the village was disturbed out of their quiet lives. Something hairy, horrible and meat eating roamed into the town....

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Welcome all to Werewolf Junior 3 - Nan Qualinmerë: Death Wish valley!

Rules

- There will be retractable votes.

- No mass lynchs. Double lynchs i will except.

- If you don't post after Two Days, you WILL be lynched.

- Nights and Days will run in a twenty four hour period sequence.

- When Gil or myself say stop voting, it also means stop posting.

- If you want to reveal your role to others (I STRONGLY advise against it), you may do so as long as you don't use PM's and such as proof.

- You ar NOT allowed to talk through PM's. No talking about the game in any other thread as well.

- When you're dead, you stay dead. That means no PMing other players that are alive about the game. You're dead. The dead tell no tales.

Roles

Wolves - PM each other during the NIGHT phase of the game. When DAY comes around, you turn into villages and attempt to decieve your fellow villagers and make them believe you are innocent

Seer - PM's mod a name of one person which he/she will dream of during the NIGHT. They will then get the role of that character. The Cursed is the exception: he/she will be revealed as an ordinary to the Seer.

Ranger - PM's mod a name of one person to protect each NIGHT. Wolves cannot kill the person that this person chooses.

Hunter - PM's mod a name of someone they would kill if the Wolves attack the Hunter during the NIGHT. I might also throw in a little mix if the Hunter gets lynched during the DAY.

Cursed - Has the blood of Wolf in him/her yet doesn't know it. He/she will become a Wolf if the Wolves attack the Cursed during the NIGHT.

Ordinary Villagers - Must try and find the Wolves and lynche them in the DAY. Must also convince the other Ordo's that he/she is innocent.

Players

Garin - carpenter
Eonwe - hermit in a wigwam
Roa - village apothecary
Thin - old cattle grower (mercenary in her youth)
Ang - idealistic, chivalrous, lovelorn young squire
Eomer - village doctor
Mith - mysterusly walthy widow
Kath - tortoise herder
Gandalf - village wizard
Valier - local dog trainer
Shelob - Web Head Hats owner
Valesse - tumbler/acrobat
Wayne - actor
Fea - village maicurist
Crombie - pompous windbag
tar - lady with all the cats

I need a name from the Seer. The Wolves may PM each other until my death, to get to know each other. You may also use this thread for any questions.

[Glirdan]

"What are we doing out here Glirdan?" asked a terrified Gil.

"Well, since you're the only experienced butcher in this here town and my music is the only thing that will put these beasts to sleepy, I need you to come protect me."

"Ah. Now, what exactly are we hunting?"

"That, my friend, is the thing we'll find out afterwards."

"But what if-" right then, they heard a loud howl from nearby. And then two more howls erupted, yet they were closer. "What's that?"

"Probably what we're searching for." With that, Glirdan pulled out his sax and started playing a few tunes as Gil readied his butcher blade. After a minute, the howls stopped. "I think that it worked. YES!" Glirdan cried. Gil didn't answer. "Um, Gil?" He turned around and his friend wasn't there. He was all alone in the middle of the forest. Just then, something heavy fell from the trees. "AHH!" Glirdan cried in surprise. As he looked at the object closer, he realised that it was his friend's body. There were claw marks and blood all over him, but he could not see how injured the butcher was. Then, he heard a terrifying sound behind him.

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The next day, everyone woke up and went about their buissness. Eonwe was out of his little wigwam and on his way to see Roa at her apothecary for some potions. Fea was giving tar's cats free manicures while Shelob attempted to help Gandalf find the right hat to match the rest of his wizard uniform. Valier and Kath were arguing over which person's pet was the best while Crombie and Mith were having a long conversation of the past. Eomer was healing Ang's battle wounds and Garin was helping Wayne and Valesse set up for there performances. Just then Thin, the villages old cattle grower (mercenary in her youth) ran in crying and gasping for breath. "What is it?" Eomer demanded. "Are you hurt?"

"No! Bodies- forest- follow!" With that, Thin ran off back towards the forest. Everyone stood there flabergasted until she ran back and said "Follow me!" Then she turned back around and started running towards the forest again withe everyone right behind her. She led them to a clearing in the middle of the forest at the base of the Misty Mountains. There they met a horrible site. They saw the body of their beloved butcher on the ground with claw wounds and a pool of blood around him. Eomer ran over to him. "He's dead." he said. "Died of bloodloss." But that wasn't the end of their woes for just then, they saw another blood trail leading out of the clearing. This trail they followed right to the edge of the clearing. There, a ghastly site met them. There, Glirdan lay, his head beside him and his beloved sax sticking out of where his head was meant to be. An erie scilence folloed and then everyone let out a blodd curdling scream at the same time. "But why where they out here?" Kath asked.

"Well, I remember Glirdan telling me something about hearing strange noises in the night, but I didn't believe him. I thought it was just his imagination. Now how I wish I would have listend to him." Ang said sadly.

"Ok, but WHAT could have done this?" asked Fea.

"1 of thee sees thee.
1 of thee protects thee.
1 of thee hunts thee.
1 of thee is evil yet doesn't know
3 of thee will kill all of ye." Gandlaf said calmly.

"Why did you say that!?" cried Mith.

"It's written in their blood," he replied, pointing to the bodies of Glirdan and Gil "on the tree right in front of you." Sure enough, on the tree was that exact message. "This means that there are 3 Werewolves amongst us."

"And it's our job to find out who." finished Shelob. With that, they picked up the bodies of Gil and Glirdan (and Eomer grabbed Glirdan's head and put it in a carrying bag) and returned to the town.

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Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad (mod) - Bled to death.

Alive
Garin
Eonwe
Roa
Thin
Ang
Eomer
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valier
Shelob
Valesse
Wayne
Fea
Crombie
tar

Day 1 starts. Wolves stop PMing. Start speculating people.

[Thinlómien]

(Ahem.. Glirdan, is said I am an old cattle-grower, mercenary in her youth. Not an explorer...)

Poor Glirdan and poor Gil. We're really going to miss them.

[Anguirel]

Ah me, what a sight is here...enough to curdle the flowing blood of the boldest sword in Eriador.

What say ye of one named Gil, lady Thinlomien? My own eyes see but one corpse, foully slaine as it seemeth to me, by false trickery.

Alas that such a morn should dawn. No longer shall I pluck at a lute and warble rondelays to lady loves with a carefree heart. My pale hand must seize a dire blade as we face whatever is to come.

We shall give no ground. We will never yield. Be they ever so filled with guile and wisdom, we shall prevail. On this, my slender sword, unused to battle worse than boar-hunts, I do swear it.

For the spirit of goodly chivalry will always conquer. Thus hath the gods ordained it.

[tar-ancalime]

Werewolves? My stars. I will miss that poor, poor Glirdan and Gil. I know they never threw eggs at my beautiul house like some young folk.

I'm sure that my second cousin thrice removed was a mandibular lycosophist. It was years and years ago, of course, when we still had the other country place and all the family would meet in the summer. Before I started taking care of my babies.

*plucks a hissing cat off Fea's shoulder and addresses it*

I know dear, you don't like the way she buffed your nails. But she told me squared-off tips are the thing this year, and frankly we've got to take what we can get when it's free.

Where was I? My cousin Horace. Of course. He had a bit of a walleye as I recall but he did study werewolves. Now I'm sure I've got some of his old papers back at the house in the old pigeonhole desk.

*hurries home, not noticing the rapidly unravelling sweater sleeve that is caught on another cat's squared-off claw, then returns with a stained, dusty parchment*

My goodness, it has been some time since I've dusted in all those pigeonholes.

Now Horace says in this letter to my aunt Phlox that werewolves are terribly hard to kill. Apparently you can't just shoot them, since during the day they look like the rest of us. Good heavens, it seems the only way for us to avenge Glirdan and Gil, and rid ourselves of this horrible menace, is by lynching.

It's a bad, bad business and I can only wish it over.

[Anguirel]

Forsooth, I have been foolishe and neglectful. I see now that Gil-Galad too lies broken by some hidden claw. I shall make most piteous dole. Alack.

Damoiselle des Chats, your words are heavy but most true, greatly though my soul forbodes me. To stop the triumph of our enemies, we must engineer their execution, right unmanly and cowardly though it is to hang a man.

For myself I prefer to allow a trial by combat. Rather than mere lynching like some commoner, I say the chosen victim should die cleanly by sharp steel.

But who is to be? We have few leads on this dark day, and must pray that some kindly chance presides over our decision.

I fear I shall be among the first to cast a vote. Misprise not my intentions-I am occupied much with swordplay and composition as the day grows later. (See the main Tol-in-Gaurhoth Junior thread for my absence notice.)

[WaynetheGoblin]

I have gone to many villages to act and strange things happened but werewolfs i will not leave intill all of the werewolfs are dead. Also glirden gil you were the two that first hered of me and hired me to do a show now I will perform when the village is save.hope we get rid of the werewolfs soon.

[Anguirel]

Worry presses upon me-our village is eerily bereft of noise, and my time is fast running out. I have no choice but to vote despite the almost total lack of clues.

I shall at least do the courtesy of explaining this course of action as best I can.

The chansons du geste and ballads telling of werewolf attacks, from the days of yore in Nargothrond to the present day, all sing of the terror and impotency felt by villagers on the first day after the werewolves have struck. There is little solid to go on; most of the limited information-and hence power-that exists is in the hands of the wolves.

As a result, the village can do worse things than delivering itself, in the opening day, into the grasp of chance. If we each claim to vote for a randomly selected candidate, it will hamper lupine movements when manipulating bandwagons. It is likely one of us will happen to pick a wolf, and if that wolf is later caught, even if s/he is not chosen today, how others reacted to the threat against him/her may be telling.

I would add, though, that if, by chance, a bandwagon seems to be building due to random selections falling on the same person, it would be best to introduce an element of artifice and eliminate them from your options in order to maintain a spread vote.

Of course, whether you decide to take this advice is entirely up to you. It's not at all foolproof, naturally. I usually distrust rigid plans myself, so I merely leave this as a possible solution to be taken or left. But for want of anything better, I will follow it myself.

One further thing: as a squire following the path of chivalry, I will not vote for damsels without a proper reason. I therefore randomly pick out of the males:

++Gandalf_the_white

[Garin]

I'm not even sure what a saxophone is... It is a shame that our meager village has lost two of its inhabitants. What is worse is that I have two less customers. I grow weary of these wolves and can only hope their words or lack of them will lead them to the end of a rope.
Anguirell: As a result, the village can do worse things than delivering itself, in the opening day, into the grasp of chance. If we each claim to vote for a randomly selected candidate, it will hamper lupine movements when manipulating bandwagons. It is likely one of us will happen to pick a wolf, and if that wolf is later caught, even if s/he is not chosen today, how others reacted to the threat against him/her may be telling.
I am calling your bluff Anguirel and voting for you my furry friend. I understand how a schedule can impede your ability to post and vote but it also serves as a wonderful cover. May Eru have mercy upon your soul.
++Anguirell

[Anguirel]

Ah well. At least someone's doing something...

[tar-ancalime]

Demoiselle des chats indeed! Forsooth! It's madame to you, my lad. I was the lady of the manor before you was breeched.

Youthful impudence aside, your enthusiasm is encouraging. I hope that the rest of the village will awaken to the danger soon.

[Anguirel]

My enthusiasm traditionally gets me killed...but I grudge it not...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Egads! T'appears we have a couple of hasty votes. What do I think of them?

Anguirel knows that it's best to vote and to stir the pot. If he can't make it back later then it was a fairly righteous thing to do. Of course, if he happens to be a wolf then it is fine cover but what the hey!

Garin's vote is perhaps slightly more suspicious. He doesn't mention that he can't make it back later yet he is eager to vote before any discussion.

I know we have some youngsters among us, chil'en in the great game of battle and protection. Maybe it's best to let them know of a fine tradition we have in this here village: if anything goes wrong, blame Feanor of the Peredhil. :p

(Just kidding...or am I?)

Silence is the friend of the werewolves, yet so is confusion. O, what are we to do? I have one suggestion: lynch Abercrombie of Rohan. She called me a quack last Spring. Let's just say I misplaced the antidote.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I just had a brilliant idea.

I was reading Kant (I think he's a Hobbit from the Eastfarthing) and he claims that telling lies is irrational: because willing the telling of lies as a universally acceptable mode of practice will destroy all networks of trust, making lying impossible and self-defeating.

Now, no-one wants to feel irrational and stupid, right?

So they are convinced not to lie.

Then we ask everyone if they are innocent.

We discover the innocents, and work out by process of elimination who the Wolves are.

Simple.

I'll go first: I'm innocent.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Alas poor Glirdan and Gil, I knew them, Friends. If I may be so bold as to interject my personal opinion, let us look at Mith and Kath. My highly trained werewolf detection device has pointed towards their guilt. Let them speak I say!

Of course, if Shelob survives past day one, we should lynch her immediately because chances are, she's a wolf. :p

lynch Abercrombie of Rohan
Dirty pirate, this is because of that PM I sent you isn't it? ;)

I shall try to get back to the computer today, I may be late or I may be early. Don't take my silence too seriously please.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm here, dears, and I'm offering free pedicures in order to discover who the wolves are. According to my logic, as soon as the lycans remove their shoes and socks, I'll be able to identify them by their claws and will very quickly stab their eyes out with my nail file and rip their claws from their moorings, making the wolves blind and with one less weapon.

Who wants to go first?

Oh, and I might not be around later this afternoon... manicurist's hours, you know. I have to run over to a certain place and do a few artistic things (painting nails, of course) and study a bit (about how best to deal with cuticles, of course) and make sure all of my work is done early (ahem, so I can hang out with boys tomorrow). But I'll be back after that.

[Shelob]

because willing the telling of lies as a universally acceptable mode of practice will destroy all networks of trust, making lying impossible and self-defeating.

But if the werewolves are compelled to tell the truth, so as to avoid looking "irrational and stupid", it also means they're compelled against their survival instinct. Somehow I imagine that telling the truth would be less appealing to said beasts than, say, Living.

Besides, suggesting that everyone is compelled to be truthful, and then lying, could be nothing more than lovely cover for lying. Not to directly accuse you friend Eomer, but to point it out.


As for you Abercrombie, I may belong to the Lycosidae family, but it doesn't mean I am of the Lykanthropos family. My buisness is selling hats, not killing off my customers.


For the rest of this, I dislike seeing votes so early. Though if Anguirel has a reason so be it. To my knowledge, though, Garin doesn't. An explanation from him, therefore, would be nice, elsewise it just looks rather suspicious.

[Valier]

Woe is me! I can't believe it WereWolves,in our lovely town! Poor Glirdan and Gil-Galad! Three is there? HHHmmmmmm this shall not do!

I think I must be a little late...votes already? That's Always suspisious! Now lets look at who had the opportunity to be in the woods last night.

Some of my dogs were going insane with barking last night,could be they saw a ww or could be all those damn cats,driving them crazy again.

Fea please stop sharpening those cats nails,they are causing my dogs to go back to their owners all scratched up!Not training them as your unholy army at night are we Tar?

(I have school this afternoon,I will be back a couple hours before the vote.)

[Mithalwen]

Just a little post to check in my dears, I want to have another read through before I comment much.

SInce votes can be changed it may simply the action of a responsible citizen who prefers to vote early than risk not voting at all but of course each case must be judged on it's own merits.

What messy deaths though..... I am glad none of my husbands died in such a gruesome fashion....

[Kath]

Sorry it took me so long to get here everyone, you just don't move fast with my job! Poor Gil and Glirdan. To be murdered so viciously. Those wolves certainly didn't hold back.

Anyway two votes! And one that seems set in stone since Anguirel has left for the day. Garin's quick and seemingly needless early vote in some kind of displaced retaliation is odd though. Or at least that's how I see it. So perhaps we have some relationship between Garin and Gandalf?

To Eomer I say - what? If a wolf is capable of murder then surely it can lie? Whoever said the things were rational! Perhaps your assumption of that fact points to your knowing the creatures a little more personally?

I suppose all we have today is speculation. Let's just hope everyone turns up so there is something to speculate with!

[Mithalwen]

Well Kath I am glad to see another living soul. We have so little to go on and I must admit that I see little point in lingering around if there is nothing to be learnt. This village is not a safe place to linger in alone..though *gulp* alone may be safer than limited company since we cannot tell who will change when night falls.

I am a bit suspicious of Eomer because he is confusing me with all that philosophy stuff ... and even if he is telling the truth he could still be the evil one who doesn't know it chappie..... Also no-one asked him... he just said .. does that count?

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Fear not, Mithalwen! (Unless of course, you're a wolf, in which case you should fear us villagers.) I'm still here poking around, trying to find something to go on. Right now though all I have to look at it is Garin's early vote and the people who have not yet spoken. And those are (I think):
-Eonwe
-Roa_Aoife
-Gandalf
-Valesse

I can come up with no other possible suspicious activity unless it be Eomer's philosophy. It's been very quiet.

[Mithalwen]

Speaking or not speaking is a fine line to judge at this stage - people have different patterns than during the working week, however statistically there might be a wolf among them.. but equally all the wolves may have already spoken. Certainly it is extremely unlikely that all our wolves are amoung the group of the yet silent so maybe it is wrong to concentrate on the non speakers on principle when statistically at least two wolves should be among the speakers. However I fear this will be a day of clutching at straws I fear. Statistics are my straw of choice!
I wish more people were around.

[Valesse]

Ah! But some of us are around. I had, however misfortunately (yet not suprisingly), my foot literally in my mouth and, you see, it did indeed get stuck there as I mourned for our lost.

The silence of others... yes, its about as suspicious as Garin's early vote which could have possibly been designed to start a mutany against our dear Wizard. But what I find more suspicious is the actually wounds.

Is it not curious that our dear Gil was ripped like ribbons when one of our own seems to have a history in crafting claws?

*Shoots a glare over at Feanor*

Is it unlikely that our beloved manicurist might make malicious maladies at midnight?

[Mithalwen]

But if claw are suspicious ..why do you not mention Valier the dog trainer?

[Valesse]

Or perhaps the both of them together?

To be honest Valier had not seemed much of a threatening person, but now I think on it she does indeed deal with dogs. Dogs like Lycans likely to give us a licking! It is a wonder how well she connects with them...

But a troubling team of tamers and trimmers tragically terminating towns people through twilight? I tremble I might turntail to my trapeze!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh, Valesse, my midnight escapades are innocent of what you are thinking, if not entirely innocent. ;)

After all, I must have some hour in which to hunt down new painting techniques and polish colors without my jealous competition learning where I obtain my brilliance and perfection.

And besides... I'm too busy seducing the general populace to want to kill them. Unless, of course, they cheat on me, in which case I'll pour nail polish remover into their vodka.

Mwahahaha.

Or not.

Whatever works.

You'll note that I'm being goofy this early on. I may keep my insanity as a tactic as it's worked so well for me before now. Or I might actually get serious once I spy something worth worrying about.

[Eonwe]

well well, werewolves eh? i do declare...

well i won't bore you with any 'poor gil-galad and glirdan" routine. The werewolves might have killed them, but i know they were just our mods...

yes, 2:30 is a late hour of appearing, but when you are a part time slave labourer, you can't have things easy, you know.

i really don't like first days. the are usless, not very intreging, and generally rather annoying. historically all we do is accuse eachother on teh basis of our names, our occupations, or past grudges (though i don't really have a problem with that). cuz you have to lynch someone, you know...

anyway, i will vote for teh 10th person on the list, who *scolls down* appears to be Valier. sorry my dear...

++Valier

other than that, i like eomer's stratagy. im not stupid, and im certainly not irrational. and im innocent. so there! :smokin:

im leaving at 5:30 my time and won't be back until around 11:30. and i mihgt not check in then, but hopefully will. anyway, that's the deal...

(it's 2:42 my time (est), so you should be able to do the math and figure out how far we are) anyway hope taht helps.

[Mithalwen]

Hmm ...another odd little vote..... However maybe liking Eomer's strategy is more suspicious

I too will have to decide soon ... maybe I should choose Fea since she represents competition should I wish to acquire Husband Number....

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You people cannot be taking my joke plan seriously. Are you? If you are then I shall be forced to vote for Shelob, Kath, or maybe Mithalwen out of seriously insulting my intelligence. I'm not a doctor for no reason, you know.

About Garin's vote: I had indeed forgotten that we have retractable votes this time. Though slightly suspicious, the consequences of this vote may show us the light.

[Shelob]

The fact that you were joking at a time like this is more than enough reason to look at it strangely. Mith brought up a point, though, at least we all found it useless, and didn't go with it...

[Mithalwen]

How is saying you confused me insulting your intelligence? It is insulting my own intelligence :confused: .... It is hardly a time for jokes Doctor.... and it is asking a lot to expect one who has been widowed as often as I have and at such a young age to have much faith in doctors.......

[Eonwe]

Ha ha. No, or course i realize taht it was a joke, i was just playing along, with a little tounge in check poke at the uselessness of anything anyone argues about themselves. rest assured, i did not by any means, mean to convice you of my innosense with such a forethright and un-(um)-backable-up (?) statement.

The fact that you were joking at a time like this is more than enough reason to look at it strangely.

not really. there's nothing else really to do, is there. i mean, unless someone has a stratagy or something to put up, all we have is random votes.

However maybe liking Eomer's strategy is more suspicious

again, not really. i don't really like it, seeing as the whole idea behind werewolf is that werewolves lie to the villagers and exploit their trust during the day. as i said, im not stupid... ;) :smokin:

hey, speaking of plans and stratagies, how's this:

well i guess first lets start out with some premises...

are retractable votes more helpful to the villagers or the wolves. it would seem to the that the wolves would benifit more, cuz their whole idea would fake left then go right, so to speak (pad one vote, they all switch to another, or something like taht, at a critical time)

so what if we all agreed to not use our retractable privlages, thus neutralizing any benefits the wolves would gain (cuz all teh villagers agreed not to switch).

of course i guess the whole thing rests on who gets teh benefit, and i guess taht can change depending on circumstances.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, Shelob, I'm glad the village had the good sense to not go with the plan; for it necessarily presupposed that Werewolves would not lie, which would be the single stupidest strategy in the history of Werewolf.

Mithalwen, I'll let you off, because you did say you were confused and seemingly wanted me to explain further.

Shelob, for intricately dissecting an utterly farcical plan, I will not let off. :p

As for joking at a time like this, laughter is the best medicine. Fact.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Valesse (despite her delightful alliteration), tar-ancalime, Valier, Fea, wayne and Thinlomien have all posted with what I call 'safe' posts', not really saying or doing anything. I'm just pointing out that this is what I would expect a wolf to do in the early going. It makes them visible.

[Mithalwen]

Of course, I was confused Eomer, I hail from originally, somewhat south of your own, is not known for it's philosophers other than Hobb(it)es and Locke.

If Laughter is the best medicine why did you run up such a large apothecary's bill during my latest late husband's last illness? Interesting professional advice....

Do you have any more constructive suggestions? Of course werewolves will swear they are innocent , they would, would't they?

Actually I think that we benefit most from retractable votes, we can stop band wagons if necessary and retracting a vote without good reason, ie new evidence is suspicious that noone is likely to do it lightly.

I do have to go and I won't be back. I have seen nothing that I can interpret as a seer's guidance and although Fea has been a little hyper, I think she is just playing up her char... at the moment. Eonwe maybe you seem strange because your hermit's existance makes you unused to society, maybe you are worrying me for a reason. I do find your behaviour exceptionally odd so I am voting for you.

++ Eonwe

[Shelob]

what I call 'safe' posts'
Agreed, though I might Abercrombie to the list, since her first post didn't really say much of anything and her second just lists people who hadn't spoken yet.

It makes them visible.
Visible in that we can't accuse them of not speaking you mean? One would imagine wolves are trying to stay as hidden as possible and visible isn't the first word once associates with such a goal.


As for how you'd expect a wolf to behave...The best we can do is guess. I'm personally disinclined to believe that a wolf would behave that way. There's too much a risk of the village saying:

"Wolves will behave in a 'safe' manner.
So-and-so behaved in a 'safe' manner.
So-and-so is a wolf."

Then again if we rule it off completely a wolf acting thusly would be perfectly safe, and today more than any other they could get away with it.


I don't know, I'm just thinking but am too distracted to do it properly. Expect a more coherent train of thought a little later.

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm... Gandalf hasn't shown his face here yet. That might indicate that he's not a wolf, because he's drawing attention to himself (I assume that a wolf would be more careful) or then he's a clever wolf who wants to seem innocent. (Or then he isn't just aware that we've already started or wants to "stir the pot".)

I'm a bit suspicious about both Eomer and Ang. They're both kind of conducting the talk (Anguirel earlier and Eomer now). Maybe they're eager to show off their "innocence" and trying to get people's trust. Also, they're trying to (in my opinion) to take the lead of the talk and thus improve their status in the village, making themselves "important".

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh, Eomer... you know me too well. I did post safely. Because it's a safe time for that sort of thing. There's no evidence to work from. Basically, we're allowing the wolves to start implementing their plans. We can't catch them unless we let them do it without question.

We don't want our wolves to be too well disguised, do we? If we force them to be more clever and resourceful, we force ourselves to think and work harder to find them. If we let them get cocky, we can pound them later on.

Which is why safety posts are fine this day. We can't do anything but wait, so we might as well goof off.

What do you say to a game of Twister?

[Valesse]

It makes them visible.

Yes! It does make us visible, but who couldn't help but notice my flexible form?

It is, however, strange to me that you would call out so many names for being noticable (and so bluntly) when you, yourself, have been considerably conspicuous. Would not a wolf waft worry wither and thither woeful wives, walthy widows, wizards, wiper-snapper, wigwam recluse and the occasional windbag? I do not claim to be a Saint of these said stresses, save significant distinction. I feel wise without winnow toward warm comrades, as I do not yet know who quite to fear.

As for that game of Twister... I'll spin. :p

[Eonwe]

Guys, really. all this talk of visible and hidden wolves. in the games i played as a wolf, i had ablsolutely no problem staying hidden (well at least until later, but taht is expected, right). hopefully.

all the wolves have to do is engage like everyone else in teh witty bander being thrown around, act indifferent, or just say smart sounding things, lay back, have a glass of lemonade...whatever. there is really nothing that we can glean, dredge up, winnow out, or otherwise bring to light during teh first day. all this is is a record to be desiphered in teh next few days.

so as for me, im not going to be overreacting to a simple joke, an absurd suggestion, or any other witisism. but you can be sure im keeping a sharp eye on everything everyone says and how much it will change in the next few days.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Valesse, to quote a friend from a far-off village, "Surely you jest?" You seriously think I'm being hypocritical?

I made that list of people who have posted without saying much, so that they could be seen to have contributed to the talk when they're not really accusing anyone or promoting stimulating discussion. I, on the other hand, have done little but incur wrath! The term absolute polar opposites comes to mind. You can find suspicion in anything I do but you cannot coherently state that I was hypocritical when making that list.

I may be a sucker for alliterations but you're not getting off that easily! :p

Shelob, I understand your concerns. However, in my experience, I have found that villages would much rather lynch loudmouths or extremely quiet people, or those who cast outstanding votes. I think the 'safe' posters do get away with it.

Thinlo, I'm already extremely important to this village. I'm the 'doctor' – read into that. Being vocal is just my style, that's why I'm so sympathetic to the other loudmouths. ;)

Fea, I love a bit of twister. The gamesmanship is particularly fun...

[Eonwe]

hmm, i should prolly start actually reading stuff before i post...:eep: let me make some amendments.

there are always a few different ways to look at every situation. there are pros and cons to ever stratagy a wolf could employ. being vocal in teh begining is good, cuz it gets you in people's good graces (somewhat subconsciously i think). though whatever you say will be held against you if you are a werewolf, so it is benificial to be quite as well. i say lets just hold of on the suspicions for a while and let the evidence pile up some.

Which is why safety posts are fine this day. We can't do anything but wait, so we might as well goof off.

gooffing is fine, random votes are fine, but please lets all stay on the same page, and take jokes for what they are. just so long as you don't start accusing people for random reasons.

whatever, i still don't put much stock in first days...

[Valesse]

I was not stating your speeches were safe -or hinting hypocracy- but merely my own hysteria, honorable Eomer.

I feel that -besides Twister- right now survival in this game by day resides in mindful musing over mayhaps malignant mobs and by night praying to Elbereth I might be still be alive and on my catwalk! It might be the first day, but with my experience in the Mafia I know it pays to be perceptive of details.

... Forget I said that.

[Shelob]

I think the 'safe' posters do get away with it.
'Safe' posters may get away with it, but they're under a ton of pressure. They must be, since they're rather like scapegoats.

Wolves are under enough pressure as it is, they must hide while out in the open, they mustn't do anything to make themselves look guilty, they mustn't do anything to make their fellow wolves look guilty, they need to vote so as to not draw attention, they need (if possible) to guarantee that an innocent rather than a wolf is lynched.

People who are loudmouths tend to get listened to and therefore followed, for a while at least. People who are quiet are either lynched off for being suspicous or completely ignored because they add nothing and so can't rightly be accused. Outstanding voters (I assume you mean eccentric, bold or those which, say, cause a tie) draw attention to themselves but, unless there's a very good reason, are usually overlooked on the assumption that wolves will be voting with specific goals and in specific patterns.

To me this means a wolf outside the 'safe zone' may be more likely to get votes, but is also better able to cast off, or explain away, suspicions. They'd still be under a ton of pressure, of course. But wolf to whom people listen can easily persuade people that others are more of a threat. And a wolf who remains extreemly quiet can play the "I was busy" or "I haven't done anything to warrent your suspicion" card, and buy themselves another day or two. As for outstanding voters, all they have to do is point out that someone else has a clear pattern, or has happend to vote for people who are now all dead and prooven innocent, and there's the village harping on someone new. It's the more dangerous game for them to play, but then isn't our immediate reaction (and continual fall-back plan) to attack those who could easily be wolves.

I didn't mean to say I doubted we'd have 'safe' wolves, I'll probably be voting for a 'safe' poster (a 'safe' vote, as it were), but we can't focus on just them.


i still don't put much stock in first days...
On the first day no, but the way people act on the first day helps you to notice inconsistancies later. A person who acted one way on the first day can't suddenly shift tactics without drawing a ton of attention. Meaning our wolves risk getting themselves trapped in a tactic which could backfire on them.

[Thinlómien]

Guys, really. all this talk of visible and hidden wolves. in the games i played as a wolf, i had ablsolutely no problem staying hidden (well at least until later, but taht is expected, right). hopefully.

all the wolves have to do is engage like everyone else in teh witty bander being thrown around, act indifferent, or just say smart sounding things, lay back, have a glass of lemonade...whatever. there is really nothing that we can glean, dredge up, winnow out, or otherwise bring to light during teh first day. all this is is a record to be desiphered in teh next few days.

so as for me, im not going to be overreacting to a simple joke, an absurd suggestion, or any other witisism. but you can be sure im keeping a sharp eye on everything everyone says and how much it will change in the next few days.
So any of us can be a wolf, and we can just throw wild guesses and hope we get it right, eh?

[Thinlómien]

I just noticed that Roa_Aoife hasn't popped up either. Whatever else she/he might be, she/he's a good stalker. (I know Roa was in the list of the un-posters, but otherwise she/he has been good at avoiding attention.)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++THINLOMIEN

Doesn't sit right with me. Very quiet; then after that's pointed out, she casts mild suspicion on Eomer and Anguirel, one of whom has been voted for already, t'other who was—at the time—doing a bad job of making friends.

That's it from me. Good night.

[Roa_Aoife]

A late poster indeed. (I too suffer from the affliction of slave labor.) And we're voting already! My my.

So to sum up- and I like my summaries- We can be suspicious of people who are quiet, people who are load, people who vote early, people casting suspicion, and people not really saying anything of importance. Hm, that covers just about everyone here, doesn't it?

Is there anyone this doesn't draw attention to?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Due to my work load (yes, I'm "doing nails" on a Saturday night in order to have all of my Sunday free), I'm going to vote now.

Since I have nothing better to go on than whim, I'm going to stick with tradition and say that

++EOMER (or was that Aimè? ;))

should be lynched on the first day. When a tradition is good, it's good.

And yes, I know that my pointless "accusation" (I'm not accusing, I'm merely voting at random, sort of) will probably get me into trouble, but I also know that my charm and wit and excellence at nail-painting is likely already to draw attention to me. I may as well make it worth it.

[Shelob]

As it seems unlikely I'll get back on today I'm just going to vote. Given as we've practically nothing (aside from everything) to go I'd like to remind you that this is fairly random, I'm basically looking at a group of people I find equally suspicious and picking one.

That having been said I think I'll cast my vote for

++EOMER

[Thinlómien]

I stick to my argument about loudmouths. Eomer tries to flatter people more than Ang, that's why I'll vote him. Also he's preaching about people who post safe-posts and he himself posts "masked" safe-posts. I see no point in his reasoning.

++EOMER OF THE ROHIRRIM

[Roa_Aoife]

Very courageous of you, casting votes for Eomer after he's stated he's signing off. Going for the easy mark, perhaps? And three of you in a row!

[Valier]

We can be suspicious of people who are quiet, people who are load, people who vote early, people casting suspicion, and people not really saying anything of importance. Hm, that covers just about everyone here, doesn't it?

Is there anyone this doesn't draw attention to?

You took the words right out of my mouth! :) It's so hard on the first day to sum everyone up. The voting has already started I see....But they are retractable remember.

The votes go as so, so far

Anguirel-Gandalf
Garin-Anguirel
Eonwe-Valier
Mithalwen-Eonwe
Eomer-Thinlomien
Feanor-Eomer
Thinlomien-Eomer
Shelob-Eomer
Wow these are all over the place!But it can't be helped on the first day.
I don't really suspect anyone yet but I guess it's all pretty random, as I've said earlier.So I will add another "Random" vote out there.

++Wayne the Goblin

Only because he IS an actor,he would be great as desguising himself as an Ordo,all the while being a Wolf.
I know the votes a bit out there but I can't pick up on any thing else!I will read over the posts a while more and see if I can come up with something more tangible.

EDIT:While I was posting 2 more votes came in for Eomer,that's a little weird how three in row voted for him....

[Roa_Aoife]

So as of this moment, the voting is

Anguirel-Gandalf
Garin-Anguirel
Eonwe-Valier
Mithalwen-Eonwe
Eomer-Thinlomien
Feanor-Eomer
Shelob-Eomer
Thinlómien-Eomer
Valier-Wayne the Goblin

Feanor, Shelob. and Thinlomien all cast votes for the same person at about the same time. The only one who provided actual reasoning for this was Thinlomien. And you Valier, say you agreed with my previous statement and yet didn't act on that, and even attempted to brush it off.

So here's my list of suspicion and reasons, in order of most suspicious to least.

Feanor- For this

Basically, we're allowing the wolves to start implementing their plans. We can't catch them unless we let them do it without question.

Who else but a wolf would suggest that? And with her skill in this game, she would be ideal at passing herself off as something else. I'm certain that she is not an Ordo- that sort of thing is reserved for newbies like me. I belive the Fea is the most dangerous player here.

Shelob- Looking at group of people you find suspicious and you just happen to pick the same as Fea.

Thinlomien- The only reason you're down here is because you bothered to explain yourself. However, the series of votes- 3 (the number of wolves) in a row cats you in with them. And Eomers reasoning unsound because he voted for you?

Valier- If you agree with my statement, why the random vote?

Edit: I'm switching Valier and Thinlomien for the time being.

[tar-ancalime]

Kant, Kant...I knew him years ago. He told me he was a great philosopher.

Lying bastard.

Now to business, dears. It's true we've got to make a decision today, but it seems to me that it's far too early for us to start making assumptions about what a wolf would or would not do. The fact is that only three of us know what a wolf would do, and the rest of us are just shouting. And at this point, the more we reveal about our personal expectations for wolves, the more information we give the wolves about how to hide from us.

*takes a flask out of somewhere in the folds of her dress, wipes off the cat hair and drinks greedily*

Anyone like a tot? It's good for what ails you.

I've heard only two comments today that seem useful to me:

First was Fea's suggestion that we play Twister. I don't know that game, but I do love games and was a great hand at bridge in my day. Are they similar, at all?

Second was this, from Shelob:

A person who acted one way on the first day can't suddenly shift tactics without drawing a ton of attention. Meaning our wolves risk getting themselves trapped in a tactic which could backfire on them.

Now that's something we can pay attention to: we're all establishing patterns of behavior today, introducing ourselves, as it were. Today's comments are going to give us a strong basis for comparison in the future, because today all we've got are our personalities.

Now, to the votes:

It's true that retracting one's vote makes one stand out. That given, I'd say that Thinlomien and Shelob are stuck with Eomer for today. If Fea wanted to prevent the bandwagon on someone who was only a random vote (she calls it "tradition"), I could see the justification for her retracting her vote. Absent that, though, things are looking dire for our village doctor. Thinlomien, did you vote for Eomer because he voted for you? That's a non-universalizable tactic if ever I saw one (Kant would not approve), but it may work for you today.

Still, I'm a little suspicious of what look to me like "revenge" or "punishment" votes. There have been two of those already today:

Garin voted for Anguirel because Anguirel voted. Huh?

Then Thin, of course, and her revenge vote for Eomer.

Because my time here is almost up for the day (I've got to polish the silver; I'm taking it to a man I know who is...interested in family crests), I think it's time for me to vote. And since there is so very little to go on, I'll go for:

++Thinlomien

(I'm letting Shelob off the hook for what looks like a very goofy vote, for two reasons: I'm sure that others will note that she is the third voter in quick succession for Eomer, and also she did make one of the two valuable comments today. That buys her some time in my book. Also I'm well aware of the irony of voting based on the voting record, after decrying "punishment" votes. My defense? Extreme egotism.)

[Valier]

Valier- If you agree with my statement, why the random vote?

Well my vote was random,as of yet because I figured Hey why bandwagon so early in the day....But now that I look at it....I guess I'm kind of bandwagoning with not bandwagoning :( So I will go back through the posts again..So if I change my vote later on it will be because of the appifany I just had,That Roa brought to my attention. :D

[Roa_Aoife]

Now now Tar, Shelob was second, Thin was third. Her "random vote" just happened to match up with two others. Thin has some semblance of reason, even if it is revenge where as shelob has none.

If she's a wolf, she may be trying to protect another wolf.

.... Of course, Eomer might be a wolf and the other two are trying to draw suspicion away from him by voting for him....

This isn't Clue, this is Congress. :rolleyes:

[tar-ancalime]

Now now Tar, Shelob was second, Thin was third. Her "random vote" just happened to match up with two others. Thin has some semblance of reason, even if it is revenge where as shelob has none.

Goodness, is my face red! :eek:

You're right, of course. I'll have to be more careful. I stand by my (admittedly flimsy) reasoning, as Thin's vote looks even more like revenge coming third instead of second, but I believe I've got to go home now and wipe the egg off my face.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Agreed, though I might Abercrombie to the list, since her first post didn't really say much of anything and her second just lists people who hadn't spoken yet.

On the first day? Come now Shelob, there was nothing.

all the wolves have to do is engage like everyone else in teh witty bander being thrown around, act indifferent, or just say smart sounding things, lay back, have a glass of lemonade...whatever.

Oh you mean like Eomer? ;) And though this is exactly the type of behaviour, I agree, that wolves employ on the first day, I am hesitant to convict Eomer of it. Simply because he's Eomer and from what I know of him, this is how he would behave regardless of his role (i.e. the Kant thing). That doesn't mean I'm writing him off as innocent, it just means that for today, I find other people more suspicious.

Garin voted for Anguirel because Anguirel voted. Huh?

Exactly Tar. I can't for the life of me figure out Garin's vote. It seems he posted early, washed his hands clean of this whole affair, and since he hasn't shown his hide. I may not be online for the rest of this day, I shall vote:

++GARIN

If I get the chance to come online again and there are new developments that make one of our number more suspicious in my eyes, I reserve the right to change my vote for them instead. Good luck fellow villagers!

[Kath]

My word but everyone's been busy while I was gone! And why all these sudden votes for Eomer? Tradition is all very well and good Fea but if we follow that reasoning then you'll be soon after!

Now Eonwe's vote looked a little odd to me. Why the 10th person on the list? Why not the 3rd or the 15th? Perhaps it speaks of a connection to Valier. But of course we won't know that for a while yet.

But hey it's the first day, we don't know anything! Voting is completely random and no one is formulating suspicions based on anything worthwhile. I haven't yet figured out when the deadline is so I'll vote now just in case it's before I manage to get my tortoises up in the morning.

++EONWE

As I said an odd vote (though not the only one) and also for a really pernickety reason. Spelling. The is spelt with an H in the middle not an E. That is spelt HA not AH. I apologise but it drives me up the wall. Since we have no reasoning to go on I'll vote for something personal. At least it will make me feel better!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Who else but a wolf would suggest that?
An experienced non-wolf who knows the best ways to win and discover who is doing and thinking what.

--EOMER

I had no inclination to start a band-wagon with my goofy and pointless vote. I want no part in band-wagons. In all of my manicurial experience, they do little or no good.

And with her skill in this game, she would be ideal at passing herself off as something else.
You flatter me. I'm already managing it. You see, I'm the Seer. No wait, I'm a wolf. Kiss me, I'm Irish. See?

It's day one. There's nothing to go on except random accusations.

Anguirel, you're a werewolf.

I'm certain that she is not an Ordo- that sort of thing is reserved for newbies like me. I belive the Fea is the most dangerous player here.
While I may not be an Ordo (I'll leave that to you to decide) and I may be the most dangerous player, the roles are not selected due to moderatorial whim. With the exception of the phantom's village, roles are chosen at random. Reservations are unheard of. Or at least highly ignored.

Also, important question from someone too lazy to look, what time does the Day end?

[Roa_Aoife]

Nothing to go on? Not a Sudoku player I see.

People have already begun to form relationships, develop patterns of behavior, and develop tactics. Sure, no one has yet shown their "true colors," but we have a little more than random accusations.

An experienced non-wolf who knows the best ways to win and discover who is doing and thinking what.

--EOMER

I had no inclination to start a band-wagon with my goofy and pointless vote. I want no part in band-wagons. In all of my manicurial experience, they do little or no good.

Which is it? A goofy and pointless vote, or a result of experience in wolf behavior?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nothing to go on? Not a Sudoku player I see.
Actually, I like Sudoku, though I haven't played since break.

People have already begun to form relationships, develop patterns of behavior, and develop tactics. Sure, no one has yet shown their "true colors," but we have a little more than random accusations.
So have you found my pattern of behavior? Do you recognize my tactics? Have I developed a relationship? What color am I?

Which is it? A goofy and pointless vote, or a result of experience in wolf behavior?
It was a goofy vote and I wasn't particularly thrilled to see it joined so fast by multiple others.

My experience with wolves is that they like to frame people. Duh. It's obvious. I'd like not to have any part in a death that I'm not sure of.

That's why I've decided on my vote for the day.

++FEA

You'll note that I'm not intentionally starting a band-wagon (I'd prefer to stay alive, thank you), nor am I voting against somebody that could be the Seer. I just don't know enough to make an informed decision yet.

[Garin]

Posted by Ambercrombie: ]Exactly Tar. I can't for the life of me figure out Garin's vote. It seems he posted early, washed his hands clean of this whole affair, and since he hasn't shown his hide. I may not be online for the rest of this day, I shall vote:
++GARIN
I am quite certain that our beloved Ambie is a wolf and that if I am not lynched tonight or killed by the werewolves, she wil be my next target. I stand by my original vote. however. Retractable or not.

[Roa_Aoife]

No need to get snippy Fea. And yes, you are forming a pattern of behavior. It's rudimentary, but it's there. Such as, appear all nice and friendly and easy going, then turn into a veritable pit bull when accused. That's a behavior pattern.

I believe it is nearing time to cast votes. As I'm not sure exactly when the day ends, I think I'll cast mine now.

++Shelob

Surprised? Don't be. While I trust Fea about as far as I can throw her, I admit that I have more to go on with Shelob, as little as that may be. I don't make blind guesses. As an apothecary, I can't afford to.

[Valesse]

I haven't the foggiest of when the day ends, dear Fea, but since I do not I'll blather on what I have noticed and how I feel about it.

Garin's snappy suggestion does strike me as strange, but then again he might just be aggressively after a wolf-- or what appeared wolfish. It does seem odd that so suddenly this decision was made and so wildly... but praytell where has he been to defend himself all this time? Surely a wolf would be wary of eliminated. His latest post sounds like a threat, though... I'm not sure how to feel about that.

Somehow I doubt he'll soon throw us a bone, unless, of course, it is Ambercombie's.

Eomer is being ousted "by tradition"? If its tradition to oust Eomer, I'm sure the mods wouldn't have picked him as a wolf. The game would be more gripping with a greater enduring group, no? He may be a vetern and playful about the whole wolf being in the village "thing", but he complimented my alliteration, and therefore he is special and -so- not a wolf. So ha.

Since this is getting wordy, I'll cut it short. Eonwe has my attention. Both in tactics and word choice I feel there might be something more than she leads on.

++ Eonwe

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You know, Roa, I don't weigh much. :p

However, if it will calm your suspicions, I'll stop addressing people's suspicion of me.

I am innocent. Heck, I might even be useful, if you want to listen to me once I know what's what.

There, now I've said it, I'll abstain from now on unless need drives me.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Ummm...am I missing something? When is this day supposed to end? :confused:

[Anguirel]

Well, I'm back.

Glad to see that Eomer and Feanor have done their duty and persuaded the entire village that they are a colony of purple giant squid with a serious alcohol problem.

Particularly amused by the "let's lynch Eomer...whoops, fooled you!" gambit, which shows Shelob and Thinlomien in a lupine light. Thinlomien had an excuse...and so is much more stained with guilt...

Woof woof, hooww-owwwl, Fea.

She's not the Seer you know. She and Eomer and I are all spinners together. (Thus I comply with Eomer's Kant plan...)

Thinlomien has us rumbled. She must die! Die!

--GANDALF, ++THINLOMIEN

[WaynetheGoblin]

Feas vote is strange and its weird on day 1 also people random vots amuse me sorry for being gone but I didnt have the chanch to get on the computer and
++fea
well thats my vote good bye.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

This is weird. I thought the day should have ended by now.

Anyway, I'm further convinced that Thinlomien was a good choice. This is her reasoning in voting for me:

"I preach against people who make 'safe posts' and then make 'masked safe posts' myself."

Ridiculous. In what way have my posts been safe? I have been deliberately stirring up trouble (for a good reason, as you shall one day find out) and have been—as I said before—incurring wrath. There has been absolutely nothing safe in what I have done.

Thinlomien's reasoning is the opposite of good and true, and strikes me as either revenge or deliberate bandwagoning.

Fea, if that was a strategy—and don't feel hurt by me saying that I don't trust you at all—it was rather excellent.

[Anguirel]

I expect Glirdan's hooked up IRL. I suggest we stop posting till he's back...

I greatly misdoubt Lady Thinlomien to be a wolf. Indeed, I venture that we have just hung the Seer. Hurrah.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea, if that was a strategy—and don't feel hurt by me saying that I don't trust you at all—it was rather excellent.
Call it a strategy if you like. It was merely me not-bandwagoning and not voting for somebody whose existence is crucial to success.

I mean... flatter me if you like and disagree, but my death wouldn't fling the village into a hopeless spiral downward. I've not got an important job, like Seer, nor would my death be a blow to the wolves (though if they try to frame me, it might because they'd be easier to trace), nor do I have powers to save lives. I can merely help take them. I can see things that may not be clear to the rest of the village and I can wonder when the freak this day will end.

I won't vote unless I have good reason for it. My self-vote may be seen as tricksy; throwing my vote away and leaving no trail for Day 2. Call it what you like. I just don't want to kill anybody more important than myself.

Edit: Ang, sorry, didn't see what you said about stopping until I'd posted.

[Glirdan]

Sorry for the major lateness of this, but I haven't had computer access until just now. I'll have the double lynch up (and on the frist day!!!) Please forgive me, I thought Gil would've covered for me, but I guess he couldn't either. SO SORRY!! :(

[Glirdan]

It was a long day in the town of Mejis. They buried their fallen friends in the village graveyard, just outside of town and attempted to go back to the normal lives. The villagers went back and forth between shops and the village square, thinking and disscussing about the horrible incident that had occureed the previous night. There was much debating on who they should lynch first. The votes were rather spread out, but the village finally came to the conclusion that they should lynch Eonwe and Thin. "Why me? What have I done to deserve this? I'm just a poor little hermit! I have never done anything to harm any of you!" Eonwe cried. Thin, however, remained quite silent. "Please spare me!" Eonwe yelled.

"I say we get rid of the one that talks the most!" suggested the Ang. "It's always a sign of a guilty conscious." With that, they tied Eonwe up and brought her up to the gallows. Ang put the noose over her head and tightened the rope and jumped off the gallows before anything could happen. He ran over to the lever and said "Any last words before you die Wolf!?" Eonwe remained scilence.

"Oh, just get it over with!" Wayne yelled and Ang pulled the lever. Instead of the trap door opening and Eonwe falling through, the entire gallows collapsed, right on top of her. Nothing happened. No transformation, nothing. And then, quite suddenly, a laugh rang out in the deathly scilence. "You actually thought that that lonesome, vile hermit was a Wolf!?" cried Thin. "You people are stupider than I thought!" And as she spoke, she began to transform. Her finger nails grew, her shoes ripped open as her huge, hairy feet grew, fur started sprouting all over the place. "Now, try and catch me!" She yelled and she ran straight for Valesse. However, Valesse wassn't to be caught unawares. As the monstrous beast charged at her, she jumped and flipped over the Wolf and as she did, she wrapped an invisible chord that she had concealed in her shirt and wrapped it around the beast's throat. She landed on her feet and tugged on the chord. The beast cried out in pain and struggled to get free, but Valesse kept pulling harder and harder. The Wolf uttered a last gasp for breath and fell to the ground. As the stunned villagers looked at the body, it transformed back into Thin. They rumaged throught the broken gallows and found the body of Eonwe and brought over to the graveyard and buried her beside Glirdan and Gil. They brought Thin's body out into the forest and burned it and as the body burned, a putrid smell arose and none could stand the smell and they returned to their houses for sleep.

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Dead
Glirdan(mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord

Alive
Garin
Roa
Ang
Eomer
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valier
Shelob
Valesse
Wayne
Fea
Crombie
tar

Night 2 starts. I need a name from Seer, Ranger, Hunter and Wolves. On Sunday's, Monday's and Tuesday's, please send them to both me as well as Gil. (Sorry once again for the lateness of this post. I'm going to start the next Day tonight at 10:30 [maybe 11]pm eastern).

[Glirdan]

Eomer crept silently out of his house and around town. "Those Wolves won't get anybody tonight!" he thought silently to himself as he walked into the town square towards his destination, which was at the other end of town. Unfortunately, he was all alone and it was dark. As he got closer to his destination, the sound he dreaded was heard. But it was not coming from where he thought it was coming from. It was coming from right behind him....

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As the villagers gathered together in the town square, they noticed that there was one who was missing. "Where is our dear doctor?" cried Fea. "Surely he should be here. He's the doctor. We need him to check on the people who've been attacked!"

"AHHH!!" Valesse yelled. "What is that!" she cried, pointing to the ground. All the villagers turned to look at what she was pointing at.

"I do believe that it is a blood trail." Mith declared, looking at the red trail closer. "And by the looks of things, it's coming right from our dear doctor's house." With that, they walked over to Eomer's. Once there, they knocked on the door and the door swung open. The villagers stood there in awe. The doctor always locked his door at night. They stepped in and searched his house, but they didn't find anything. "What if we followed the trail the other way?" suggested tar. There was a concourse of agreement and they set out at once. They walked back to the village square, found the trail and followed it. Then, they found what they were dreading to find the entire time, yet they were still shocked. For they found the body of Eomer, stabbed through his stomach. Yet the strange thing was that it was with his own sword, and he was wearing strange garments over top of his doctrine clothes. "Why, that's the clothing of the Ranger!" cried Ang.

"But that could only mean one thing," said Shelob slowly.

"Our doctor is...I mean was...also our protector!" cried a dismayed Kath. They all wept then and there at the loss of their doctor and protector. Yet, if they would have listend closely, they would have realised that two of their own were indeed sniggering under their breaths at what they had accomplished: revenge!

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword

Alive
Garin
Roa
Ang
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valier
Shelob
Valesse
Wayne
Fea
Crombie
tar

Day 2 starts. Wolves stop PMing. Continue with the discussions people! (Just a little info, each Day and Night will begin from about 20 minutes ago to 10 minutes from now [my time, 10:30 - 11pm])

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh no! Not Eomer! As the village doctor he and I worked closely together. And now I find he is our protector! I knew he wasn't a wolf yesterday. But it is clear the wolves targeted him.

Perhaps they finished the job they could not complete yesterday with the lynchings.

[Shelob]

Well, to adress yesterday I'd just like to point out that I hadn't actually seen Fea's vote when I voted. I'd started my response, got called away from the computer for a few minutes then came back, finished, and posted. I didn't see her vote until much later, when I could get back on. Believe me not if you please but I lie not, for only a Lycan a lie can gain from.

As for this death,

what they had accomplished: revenge!

I'm going to work from the assumption, for now, that this was a revenge because Eomer was the first to really cast suspicion upon Thinlomien. Meaning that to an extent her death was his fault.

I'm also going to work from the assumption that, on the first day, another wolf did not vote for Thin. I understand this is like walking on thin ice (as it were) but voluntarily helping to lose a wolf so early is a very, very risky tactic.

Finally, and while it's dangerous for me to suggest it, I'm going to assume that a wolf didn't vote for Eomer yesterday. I know, I know, you're all thinking "Well of course She'd say that, She voted for him." But if you'll take a moment to think about it (or read the rest of this paragraph, whatever works for you) it makes some sense. Our immediate reaction is going to be to think "Who wanted Eomer Dead?" or "Who was opposed to Eomer?" and the first names to come to mind would be those who voted for him. Now, for a wolf to voluntarily put themselves into that possition means they feel very confident that the Bluff/Double-Bluff will work and that suspicion will be cast upon an innocent who happens to also be an answer to those questions. Given that there are a limited number of people who voted for Eomer (namely 2, myself and Fea[even if she changed it later]) if one of us were a wolf there'd be pretty much a 50/50 chance of us persuading people to vote for the other. With one wolf down already 50/50 are not good odds for a remaining wolf. It, therefore, seems more likely that no wolf voted for Eomer yesterday and that Fea and I are being set up to look wolvish.

By my reconing this would rule out:
Myself (Shelob)
Fea
Anguriel
Tar
as likely wolves, it doesn't prove anything, it's just (to me) makes us slightly less suspicious.

As for the rest of you, namely:
Garin
Roa
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valier
Valesse
Wayne
Crombie
I don't know. The fact that we had a double lynching could suggest that a wolf voted for Eonwe, but since that's so obvious, and since it was so soon, I doubt a wolf would act so foolish. Since I haven't the time now I can't look further into what you did (or didn't) do so when I later have the chance I'll use what you've said before and what you say today to work from.

Actually, that last sentence goes for everybody, both lists, myself included, and the dead...though for them, obviously, I'll only go on what they said the other day...unless we get ghosts too, but that seems unlikely...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Blame it on a mind caught up in other things if you like, but I have a funny feeling about Shelob.

Maybe in the morning I'll have some idea why.

[Valesse]

I know what you mean Fea. Something in that ginormous paragraph doesn't sit right with me either.

I can figure folks feuding former favors as they are flustered that the future is fleeting. Some have faith in friends, but now we have some evidence by expense of erstwhile Eomer.

Dreadfully discursive Shelob denotes why she declared declaring our dear deceased doctor doesn't deduce her as devious, but devout... but why so dire? Its day two! Can corruption contribute? Concerning my current conclusion, I consider cooling it... currently. I have not caught clues of colloquial calamidies just yet. But better than being benighted I'll try to be bent on blurt-outs.

Alack! After a goodnight's sleep. Afterall, an alert acrobat acknowledges more... Hopefully.

[Valier]

So much has happened since last I looked! We lynched a wolf Yeah! but losing our Ranger the first night and an Ordo yesterday as well. I am not sure yet if the killing of Eomer had anything to do with the votes against him.

I just read Valesse's post and I can't help but notice the odd use of d's and c's I don't know if this is just sleepy word play or has some point to get across...not an acusation I just that it comical at the moment.

Well I don't know how to process all this yet, so I 'll have to sit on it for awhile. I can't believe that we got a wolf the first day though, that rocks! Now with the Ranger gone I hope the Seer and Hunter make good choices, so we can kill the wolves all quickly and rid our poor town of their horror. :)

[Valesse]

I can't help but notice the odd use of d's and c's I don't know if this is just sleepy word play or has some point to get across...not an acusation I just that it comical at the moment.

Silly sleepy word play. If you noticed I alliter..ated backwards from F to A! :D

(Val's very random and sleepy. Its late for her. ... and dead-set to speak in third person. :rolleyes: )

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The trouble though, Valier, with that plan is that the Seer and the Hunter are nigh useless right about now.

The Seer has had limited dreams. S/he won't know much and won't risk coming forward if s/he is smart.

The Hunter is pretty darned useless anyhow, excepting that s/he die.

Basically, if anything happens quickly, it'll probably be bad.

Think on quick action from the Seer: s/he is revealed early, the Ranger is dead, the wolves kill him or her with very little gain for us.

Quick action from the Hunter means that there's been a quick death to the Hunter. At this point, the Hunter's probably got as good an idea as anyone for who to kill. Chances are high that any quick action regarding this role would result in two innocents dying.

While we don't want to drag this out, giving wolves the edge, we don't want to rush our gifted villagers into screwing up and we don't want to expect too much right away.

Laying low and watching people screw themselves up seems to be the best course of action right now. That and analyzing reasons that Eomer might have died. Either he let something slip that made the wolves wary, he was a random choice, or the wolves are trying for a set up. And looking for who voted Thinlo yesterDay. There might be a Benedict Arnold amongst the wolves that we should keep an eye on.

Expect more coherence and detail tomorrow afternoon. I have classes (on fingernail maintanance, of course) and responsibilities straight through until 4:00 PM (EST), but after that, I should be open for business.

[Valier]

The trouble though, Valier, with that plan is that the Seer and the Hunter are nigh useless right about now.

I agree after some thought I don't think it would be wise for the seer to come out yet.If he/she finds a wolf in their dreams they should try and leave a vague hint. That might help if the seer gets killed before we have a chance of finding out.

I have done a small analysis of Eomer posts now because I have school tomorrow and probably won't have time :D

Post 1- Comments on Garin's quick vote.
Says to blame Fea if anything happens (or not?)
States to lynch Crombie because she called him a name?

Post2-Posts about lying strategy...?

Post3-Says he may be forced to vote for Shelob,Kath, or Mith for insulting his intellagence
States Garin's vote may "show us the light"

Post4-Tells Shelob it was a stupid strtegy and she is not off the hook
Lets off Mith

Post5-Says Tar,Valier[/B[B]],Fea[/B[B]],Wayne, and Thin, Made safe posts.

Post6-Talks to Shelob about safe votes
Sympathy for Thin being a loud mouth
Loved to play twister with Fea

Post7-Votes for Thin

Post 8- Does not trust Fea

I hope we can spot a pattern in his posts. That's all I have for now...Hmmm A couple of names come up alot.I don't know if that is significant, but we should look into it. Till tomorrow then..

[Anguirel]

Like Feanor (always a bad sign) I'm inclined to distrust Shelob. Her defence has a smack of desperation about it. Back to her anon.

As for why the wolves killed Eomer, methinks that his fatal mistake was in letting this slip:

"I'm already extremely important to the village. I'm the village doctor. Read into that."

Easy enough for a wolf to do just that; and, inexperienced enough not to fear a bluff, or bold enough to brave one, they struck. They thought they had the Ranger in their claws; by chance it was also Eomer who set in motion their comrade's fate, even as it was I who sealed it.

Now, cui bono, lords and ladies? What do we think the wolves did yesterday?

By my understanding, no less than two-Thinlomien and Shelob-fell into a trap purposely laid by Feanor, not called for nothing a siren who lures unfortunates to bewailed doom. Luckily for us, she lured two wolves.

She had spotted the Ranger clue, but thought the wolves might not, if you ask me. Evidently however they did. I would suggest that

1. They only noticed it retrospectively in the Night

2. (more likely) The third wolf, a Third Man esque mystery figure, was wise to the Ranger hint. How they must have groaned to see their companions blithely follow Fea's bait! Presumably they voted for Eonwe in between writing a missive to Barad-Dur to send them some more competent packmates...

Anyway, by this thesis Shelob is furry, whatever the poor damsel in question says.

[tar-ancalime]

Ooh, that's one naked Seer tonight.

I'd like to weigh in on the reasons for Eomer's death. I think that one of two things happened: Either the wolves picked up on Eomer's Ranger hint (as Fea, Anguirel, and I also did--why do people DO that so early in the game?), or they were simply trying to get rid of a vocal, perceptive villager who was likely to catch them out sooner or later. If that's the case, Fea, Anguirel, watch your backs!

Now, as to Shelob:

Several people have pointed out that there is something very askew about her post of earlier today. I'm going to copy the whole troublesome paragraph and highlight the relevant passages:

Finally, and while it's dangerous for me to suggest it, I'm going to assume that a wolf didn't vote for Eomer yesterday. I know, I know, you're all thinking "Well of course She'd say that, She voted for him." But if you'll take a moment to think about it (or read the rest of this paragraph, whatever works for you) it makes some sense. Our immediate reaction is going to be to think "Who wanted Eomer Dead?" or "Who was opposed to Eomer?" and the first names to come to mind would be those who voted for him. Now, for a wolf to voluntarily put themselves into that possition means they feel very confident that the Bluff/Double-Bluff will work and that suspicion will be cast upon an innocent who happens to also be an answer to those questions. Given that there are a limited number of people who voted for Eomer (namely 2, myself and Fea[even if she changed it later]) if one of us were a wolf there'd be pretty much a 50/50 chance of us persuading people to vote for the other. With one wolf down already 50/50 are not good odds for a remaining wolf. It, therefore, seems more likely that no wolf voted for Eomer yesterday and that Fea and I are being set up to look wolvish.

But Shelob, dear, you're just dead wrong! There were THREE votes for Eomer before Fea's retraction, not two, and the third one that you're inexplicably omitting from your analysis is THINLOMIEN!

I can't for the life of me figure out why you'd make such an argument, when in my mind the truth is so much more flattering to you! Thin voted for Eomer after you did. We know Thin was a wolf. With the field wide open on the first day, what wolf would hop on a bandwagon WITH ANOTHER WOLF? A bandwagonny vote like the one for Eomer yesterday stands out enough on the first day; killing him that very night makes it stand out more.

If I were you I'd be shouting far and wide that Thin's vote tends to exonerate you. But that's just me. And the fact that you're not shouting it REALLY worries me. Care to comment?

Anguirel, I don't think you're giving Thinlomien enough credit. But still, Shelob's vote for Eomer and her misinformation-laden post of earlier today do demand some explanation.

[Gandalf_the _white]

Sorry i'm only just posting but i couldn't get near a computer :D
So the rangers gone but so has a wolf, i am really getting confused reading through the posts but i'll re-read and i'll post again later

[WaynetheGoblin]

well when you think about it a wolf would not be dumb anogh to vote for someone and then kill them at the next night it would be stupid. I was going to vote for thin but i lost track of time and forgot to. I didnt think they would kill a gifted that fast now they want the hunter and seer. This is my suspicion.
1. gandalf
2.tar
3.fea
4.shelob
5.valier
6.kath
7.mith
8.anguirel
9.valesse
10.roa
11.crombie
12.garin
13.wayne
I have to go to school now i have no time to explain. good bye.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Well, something funky is happening to my computer, because according to it Valier has posted everything that Tar said, and no one else has posted at all. So forgive me if my quoting is a bit off.

As Valier/Tar/ Anguirel/Fea (I believe) said, Shelob's forgotten Thinlomien from her uber-analysis, and so as not to repeat their suspicions, I'll just say that I agree whole-heartedly and leave it at that. Oh, and as I said on day 1, if Shelob survives the first night, she's a wolf.

The only other person I'm suspicious of right now is Garin. First he made an early vote for Anguirel (who seems pretty innocent in my eyes right now.) And later when I voted for him (on the first day, mind you {Jes, you Garin}, with precious little to go on) he jumped on me and vehemently accused me of wolvery. And this isn't just retribution because he's suspicious of me, it just seems that like his pal Shelob, he was far too defensive for his own good.

I'd like to hear more from Gandalf and Wayne (don't forget that if the day hadn't ended late, Wayne nor Gandalf would have voted), but since that's usually impossible I'll leave my wishes and not press them further.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

well when you think about it a wolf would not be dumb anogh to vote for someone and then kill them at the next night it would be stupid.

Why Wayne? It could've been a double bluff.

Originally posted by Wayne Yesterday
++fea
well thats my vote good bye.
Originally posted by Wayne Today
I was going to vote for thin but i lost track of time and forgot to.

That's a bit inconsistant to what actually happened, or do you mean, you would've changed your vote?

And, prithee, why is Tar at the top of your list? So far everything that she's posted has made perfect sense.

[Gandalf_the _white]

i suppose it is only natural that wayne finds me suspicious because i haven't posted a lot, the only reason for this is my inability to get to a computer and see if the game had started :rolleyes:
being very in-experienced at games of werewolf a probaly won't be able to pick up on things as quickly as the rest of you but i will try my best.
I don't know if wayne has my problems with access to a computer but he doesn't seem to have posted much either, this could be because he is a wolf and is trying not to draw attention to himself or ( as i put above) he shares my problem about not being able to always get at a computer

[tar-ancalime]

As Ms. ofRohan has rightly noted, Wayne, you did vote. What do you mean, you would have voted for Thin but ran out of time? Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Since there seem to be several discussions going on regarding the voting record, I'll post it in its entirety as I understand it. (Someone please, please feel free to transcribe it into a nifty, easy-to-read format if you've got one!)

These are the votes from yesterday in order. The numbers indicate the running total of votes for that person, if more than one.

Anguirel-->Gandalf_the_white
Garin-->Anguirel
eonwe-->Valier
Mithalwen-->eonwe
Eomer-->Thinlomien
Fea-->Eomer
Shelob-->Eomer 2
Thinlomien-->Eomer 3
Valier-->Wayne
me-->Thinlomien 2
Abercrombie-->Garin
Kath-->eonwe
Fea--> RETRACTS Eomer 2
Fea-->Fea
Roa_Aoife-->Shelob
Valesse-->eonwe 3
Anguirel-->RETRACTS Gandalf
Anguirel-->Thinlomien 3
Wayne-->Fea 2
Gandalf_the_white no vote

Corrections? Amendments?

Now, the Harper's Index of the Day 1 voting:

Everyone voted but Gandalf.

Fea and Anguirel retracted.

Other than eonwe and Thinlomien, the following people received votes:

Eomer, Fea, Wayne, Garin, Shelob, Anguirel, Valier

That means that the following people didn't receive votes:

tar-ancalime, Valesse, Roa_Aoife, Kath, Ms. ofRohan, Mithalwen

Make of this what you will!

All I've got so far is that Wayne is being dishonest about his vote--if he wanted to vote for Thinlomien it wouldn't have taken any more time to do that than it did to vote for Fea (for all intents and purposes a throwaway vote so late in the day). By the time he got around to voting Thinlomien was already a dead wolf, so to speak, so another vote for her would have served only the purpose of saving eonwe. An innocent. The more I think about this Wayne situation the less comfortable I am with him. Care to explain yourself, Mr. Goblin?

[Mithalwen]

Sorry this will be short but due to a superslow lunchtime connection it has taken me a whole hour to catch up.

I am sorry about Eonwe but it seemed a reasonable choice at the time.

Well done for getting Thinlomion.

Another reason for the Seer to be discreet is that Eomer was a likely choice for a dream - If I were the Seer I would probably have chosen first from this group Eomer, Fea, Kath and Ang... probably in that order as they are the most experienced players.

I am none the wiser now. I never know what to think about Fea.

I need to look again... but I do have to get back to work,

[Mithalwen]

NB Tar Ancalime from her vote would look innocent. However she could be a very clever wolf. The only thing that might look suspicious is her hilighting of the voting patterns...but someone would have done that anyway. At the moment I am opting for still thinking her a very likely innocent.

[Anguirel]

If I was the Seer I'd have dreamed of Mith, Fea, tar-ancalime, Kath...

But then I'm a gallant squire...

I am tempted by the slight feeling against Garin but horribly aware that my thoughts may be tainted by his rather irritating Day One vote for me, where I felt I was being targetted for having the guts to talk where all stood silent...

I intend to analyse the Eonwe voters in a while-it makes sense that at least one and conceivably two wolves are among them...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Either the wolves picked up on Eomer's Ranger hint (as Fea, Anguirel, and I also did--why do people DO that so early in the game?)
Hold up! Quick correction: while I saw Eomer's hint, I didn't take it for what it was. I assumed he was merely being himself and that he wouldn't be dumb enough to be so obvious if he actually was important. I mean seriously... the Ranger can't protect himself. I figured that either he was a wolf that was messing with everybody, the Hunter, or a bluffing Ordo. Seer didn't go through my head (I can't think of many that would be that lax about keeping it hush hush). Ranger definately didn't go through my head. So while I voted for him, it actually was a bit of randomness based on the fact that I figured he was either an ordo or a wolf and either way, it wouldn't be so bad if he died. At least not as bad as if I'd accidentally gotten the ranger or seer lynched. :rolleyes:

It was only after the band-wagoning that I started to fret.

Off to classes... don't do anything stupid while I'm gone.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Also: If I were Seer (since we're compiling lists), I'd dream of:

Fea (this is if I were a Seer in a game I was in)
Eomer (I know him too well to trust him)
Mithalwen (a powerful ally if you know she's on your side)
Anguirel (tricksy if he's on the other side)

[Anguirel]

Anguirel (tricksy if he's on the other side)

Alas, lady Fea, that definitively indicts you as a wolf! My only area of expertise is as a Gifted Villager. Anything else and I am, in Lalaith's words, a complete liability...

That's why I don't like the No Frills villages...

[tar-ancalime]

If I was the Seer I'd have dreamed of Mith, Fea, tar-ancalime, Kath...

But then I'm a gallant squire...

Four dreams in only two nights? But that adds up to...good heavens! Two at once? :D

Ah, the exuberance of youth.

[Gandalf_the _white]

i don't know if i'll be able to get to a computer later so i might vote now i'll probaly vote for ++Wayne
if not posting for a while makes me look suspicious surely the same can be said for him

[Anguirel]

At the moment I am concentrating my sights on Garin and the three Eonwe voters. I mean, it's so suspicious to vote for someone whose name is an anagram of "woe, ne..."

They were, to wit

Mithalwen, Kath and Valesse

Consider Fea an honorary suspect. However, it will be a real shame if she's lynched since she's such a diversion from the ghastliness coalescing around us, so for the moment she gets away with it.

I'm prepared to settle for the resident Goblin Actor but, as some have become a judge of wines, I have become a judge of Waynes and don't particularly believe him guilty this time. Though admittedly hanging him, guilty or not, can be quite satisfying on stressful evenings...

And I'm still not satisfied with Shelob. Despite a fine defence by tar-ancalime.

Garin-An extremely unyielding, doctrinaire approach typical of a wolf but recently whelped, but also of a villager glancing frantically in every direction. The crucial thing about his behaviour yesterday was that he had the bit between his teeth; he stuck to his position. Most of the wolves I've seen tend to be more darting and rapier-like in approach. However, ironically, gathering votes in a retractable village requires far more bloody-minded stubbornness than in a non-retractable village. You no longer have the "my vote is precious and I need to conserve it" excuse. I think he really wanted me down and was hoping to scratch together a bandwagon.

Mithalwen-Her position as the first Eonwe voter absolves her of much opprobrium. She was wrong, but not in a wolvish kind of way-she was taking a shot in the dark and got unlucky, I feel. If she was a wolf she might have bungled it a bit more. Her noble soul doesn't take well to the side of evil and I could imagine her falling into the Eomer ploy.

Kath-converted the Eonwe movement from a possibility to a bandwagon, and did so on the specious grounds of spelling (I agree with her, but I don't think it's a valid argument, otherwise I'd vote for Wayne every day.) Usual technique of quietness; analysis perhaps slightly less deep than usual.

Valesse-made the bandwagon the dominant one. Could just have been in a pressurised innocent mindset. Spat with Eomer still, to her credit, did not lead to a vote for him. For her in particular, an Eonwe vote seems like the lesser of a few weevils...however, reasoning for vote extremely vague. Probably just a frightened villager as far as I can see...

So; I seem to be suspecting Garin, Shelob and Kath most, in that order.

[Shelob]

the third one that you're inexplicably omitting from your analysis is THINLOMIEN!
Because Thin's dead, I was speaking in terms of voting today and taking it for granted that no one would be voting for Thin. Though if you wish to vote for her be my guest, it's possibly the safest vote one could have.

what wolf would hop on a bandwagon WITH ANOTHER WOLF?
A very dumb one so far as I'm concerned. Esp. on the first day when you can basically vote anyway you want. Jumping on a bandwagon's not always the brightest of things, but for a wolf to jump on so soon after another (and remember, whether you think I'd seen Fea's or not there were three votes IN A ROW) is just plain stupid. It draws attention to the wolf who joins on, and the one they're joining. Placing two wolves in danger.

A bandwagonny vote like the one for Eomer yesterday stands out enough on the first day; killing him that very night makes it stand out more.
Which is exactly why it's unlikely that Fea and I are wolves. The Wolves don't want to draw attention to themselves. Instead they want to keep the spotlight-of-death off themselves. So what better way to do that than to shove innocents (and the more the better) into said light.

Quite frankly, If I'm a wolf at this point I probably deserve to die. I would successively managed to get myself into a wonderful position from which, chances are, I'll never recover. However, I'll ask this: DON'T FOCUS ON ME TODAY!

Just don't spend the entire day asking "is she a werewolf?" "does that look suspicous to you?" and so on, ABOUT ME. Kill me later if you want, but if you spend the whole day discussing killing me the real wolves don't have to do anything to hide. Talk about other people, the more the better. Put people under pressure so that wolves are more likely to slip up.

[Shelob]

Tar's was a defence? hmm...maybe I should go fully wake up before continuing, I took it as more stones being slung my way... Appologies then Tar if that's the case.

And in either case, I'm going to go get coffee...or tea...or something...

[Anguirel]

Which is exactly why it's unlikely that Fea and I are wolves. The Wolves don't want to draw attention to themselves. Instead they want to keep the spotlight-of-death off themselves. So what better way to do that than to shove innocents (and the more the better) into said light.

There's a certain amount of personality involved too. I wouldn't be averse to drawing attention to myself even if I was a wereiguana in the employ of the Dunedain Intelligence Services.

[Shelob]

well, arguably there's a difference between "attention" and the "spotlight-of-death". Yesterday Eomer drew alot of attention, but Thin and Eonwe drew the spotlight-of-death. I used attention to mean spotlight-of-death, which isn't really the best way to avoid confusion.

Wereiguana huh? That's an interesting image...

[Garin]

My inexplicable vote for Anguirell quickly followed his/her appeal for everyone to make a random vote. Mind, you Anguirell then placed an unexplained vote for Gandalf I think. Anguirell early participation and a call for random votes could be a perfect cover for a wolf. "After all, don't blame me if an innocent goes down for I was only doing the first day shot in the dark." As far as AbercrombieOfRohan, I apologize for making fun of your name (linking you to a certain brand name) but it seems wolfish of you to call out how inexplicable my vote was when I simply answering a call for unqualified votes by one of our fellow 'villagers.'
I still refuse to cast a retribution vote so I will continue with another 'random' vote.
Ang's defensive reaction to to my calling his/her bluff raises my suspicion a great deal. (Please, note I put random in quotes, intimating irony.)
I can tell you that I am indeed innocent, in fact, I have no special role. All I can do is to wait around and wait for the more idiotic villagers to lynch me or the wolves to feast upon me. I think if the two fur balls have sense my death will be delayed for a few days because I think I have raised the ire of at least one of them.
++Anguirell

[Anguirel]

Was that a bit of negative psychology? I think it may have worked. I suspect you slightly less.

However, you might have placed a bit more stress on the fact that your first vote for me was a random one in accordance with my (pretty flawed) Day 1 strategy. And you were foolish to snap at your detractors later.

You may well be an innocent in deep, icy water of Forochel filled with were-sharks.

Let's play Suspect vs Suspect. Shelob, what do you think of Garin? Garin, what do you think of Shelob?

Oh and by the way, for future reference my name is Anguirel, not Anguirell which sounds too musclebound or Anguriel which sounds too effeminate. And I'm just about male. That alright, Garni m'lady?

[Valesse]

It might be a little ex post facto but Anguirel noticed something I did (about not doing...) before making my vote yesterday. This may serve to get me accused, but its tricksy and disturbing.

In all honesty I voted for Eonwe because of her use of the word "winnow" the very post after I had mentioned it. Mind I don't figure winnow to be a very common word, afterall, and her chosen usage seemed a bit biting. In all it made me feel uncomfortable as if she were trying to frame me for wolvery, something I've seen before in games of this kind.

I had planned to vote for her at that point be decided to watch for anyone else to rouse my suspicions more. Obviously I ended up being wrong.

I'll admit it doesn't sound too innocent of a reason, but there it is. Now what bothers me is Shelob has also used "stones... slung" which was a colloquialism I rewarded for alitteration. Again... this really really bothers me because I see no reason for the original version NOT to be used. I'm paranoid. Very paranoid, but one has to be in these dark times.

Then again... I could be just so smegging awesome everyone wants to sound like me.

Wary as I am, I was wrong last time and for that feel ghastly irresponsible in my voting practice. There are several suspicious people about saying very suspicious things. When I get back from practicing with Wayne (I want this whole mess cleaned up..!) (--I'll be in classes--) I will see what hurt I have just now done to myself, and cast my vote and suspicions.

[Garin]

I was impressed by Eomer's dialogue. It seemed reasoned an unwolfish. Example:
Shelob, I understand your concerns. However, in my experience, I have found that villages would much rather lynch loudmouths or extremely quiet people, or those who cast outstanding votes. I think the 'safe' posters do get away with it.
There was nothing in Eomer's dialogue that raised my suspicion and I don't see why anyone voted for her. Shelob's vote was not a random vote but a vote against an innocent participating in reasonable dialogue. A veteran innocent, even, and a surefire threat to the wolves.
I suspect Shelob as I look at past posts but will not change my vote just yet although I wish I had changed it yesterday and let Thin go alone. I wasn't following near the end so I awoke to the the unsettling double-lynch. I normally oppose double-lynches and probably would have broke the tie if I had been around.
Actually, now that I look at Ang's vote.
--Anguirel ++Shelob
However Abercrombie is not out of the woods.

[Valesse]

I still refuse to cast a retribution vote so I will continue with another 'random' vote.
...
++Anguirell

How random is that? You voted for Anguirel yesterday.

Maybe I'm just about to see this in a different light, and find your game strategy new and foreign to me? But so soon you change you vote... hmm. Just as citizens speculate Shelob. And here I was thinking I had figured the -- (I'll give you a hint: It rhymes.)

I'm not sure what to think of you, Garin, but I'm doing a great deal of it none-the-less. And if you don't mind my mentioning... Abercrombie is standing right here with the rest of us here fine folks. We're all in the woods together.

[Shelob]

Garin, they're probably harping on you a lot because you voted for Ang right after Ang posted. Had you voted for anyone else then only the early timing of your vote would have drawn notice.

Let's play Suspect vs Suspect. Shelob, what do you think of Garin? Garin, what do you think of Shelob?
Here's another idea, let's play suspect versus accuser, you up for that Mr. Inquisitor?

I wouldn't be averse to drawing attention to myself
Excellent, so now you can't say "but I'm talkative, ergo I'm no wolf". You yourself have said that you wouldn't mind drawing attention.

At the moment I am concentrating my sights on Garin and the three Eonwe voters...I seem to be suspecting Garin, Shelob and Kath most
That was quite the turnaround there, and all in one post. Somehow you've managed to accuse the only person to vote for you, and three who voted for a now known innocent at the begining of your spiel, and by the end have dropped two of those who voted for said innocent while adding me to your list.

[of Fea] that definitively indicts you as a wolf!
And yet she appears nowhere on your later lists, if she's "definitively" a wolf you'd think you'd pay more attention to her. Unless labeling people as wolves has descended to the level of a joke...in which case we may as well give up the hunt now and let the wolves take us all.

If I was the Seer
Actually, it's "If I were", maybe this "definitively indicts you as a wolf!"

no less than two-Thinlomien and Shelob
So once again you've got someone you feel certain is a wolf...and yet later I'm only second on your list of suspicious persons. Tell me, if you're so sure I'm a wolf shouldn't I be first on your list of suspicious people? And wouldn't it make more sense to press other people (Garin for example, since he's now highest on your list, or Fea whom you also said is obviously) a wolf.

Finally, isn't it odd that the two people you've stated are obviously wolves are the two people we're clearly being made to focus on? It seems a little strange to me that you're either dumb enough to fall into that trap, or dumb enough to keep pressuring it, trying to make people believe it, as it were.

Now, now, not to accuse you friend Ang, not directly anyway...but there's enough there for me to feel fine voting for you....


As for Garin, I'll note he fell for it.
but will not change my vote just yet...now that I look at Ang's vote...Abercrombie is not out of the woods.
Three things. Firstly, thanks, "will not change my vote, oh what they hey". Appreciate it. Appreciate more you taking my advice to put more people under pressure. Secondly, Ang's vote? from yesterday? because unless I'm mistaken Ang hasn't voted yet today. Thirdly, where did Abers come from? You'd mentioned her once, with no grand stress to finding her wolfish, and now she's a cantidate for your vote?


Hey, guess when I started typing this? That's right, imediately after post 107, 45 odd minutes ago! At least I've been keeping myself updated on what's happened in said time...

[Anguirel]

Oh fair Shelob, that was beautiful. I'll get back to you on it; eighteen minutes won't do it justice...

[Garin]

Valesse: How random is that? You voted for Anguirel yesterday.
That is why I put random in quotes. It was to note its ironicalness. Yeahh, it's a 'real word,' look it up.
Shelob, maybe I did fall for a lupine trick to change a vote but last time I checked Ang voted for Thin.
Edit: Which was yesterday, and that is what I meant to say. Sorry, if it confused anyone.
Abercrombie voted for me on day one, because she was baffled by my vote for Ang.
I didn't care for her reasoning, and since I KNOW I'm an untalented, innocent, I suspect any of my detractors.

[Shelob]

So you are going from Yesterdays vote? just to be clear...

And you could fall for the lupine trick whether Ang was a wolf or no, he could still just be another innocent who fell for it too...in any case you voted in the most immediate-gut-reaction way possible...though admitedly after voting and retracting said vote for Ang.

[Garin]

see EDIT above

[Shelob]

Actually, I've decided that so long as I'm here (aka: speaking, and taking part in the discussions) you all can't help but spend the day focusing on me. Since it really is beneficial for everyone (except the wolves) for as many people as possible to be under pressure (and therefore likely to slip etc) I'm going to spend a fair chunk of time silent. I'll still check in once and a while to read what's going on, but I won't say anything unless it's really, really important. I'll come back with enough time before voting to discuss again, but otherwise I want you people to be free to discuss others without being distracted by me.

I understand if you decide you want me dead, and I understand if you vote for me. But I ask again that you at least consider other people, put them under pressure, consider who would have gained from Eomer's death. Whatever else you can do, do it.

With that: the rest is, for a while anyways, silence.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

There's a certain amount of personality involved too. I wouldn't be averse to drawing attention to myself even if I was a wereiguana in the employ of the Dunedain Intelligence Services.
So true. I'd have no qualms about saying "I'm a wolf. You should lynch me before I kill you all in your sleep and win and yell Mwhahahaha!"

Which is probably a bad thing to say, but it's a good example.

Instead of saying "What would wolves do?", say to yourself "How would so-and-so be acting, do I think, if s/he was a wolf?"

We know each other fairly well in this village... take advantage of it.

In any case, I kind of like Anguirel. Not saying I trust him, but I don't actively distrust him either. Or maybe I'd just like to keep him around in order to acquire more fun new sigs. I think I'm leaning toward the latter.

I still don't like Shelob, though I have no plausible reason for it.

Mithalwen is flying under the radar, but she's got a life, like the rest of us. She's probably just busy. Like me. :)

[Mithalwen]

Forgive me for another short post - I am clueless and sick and more confused all the time. However I fear that wolves may be laughing as righteously indignant innocents talk each other to the gallows.....

But who to vote for....... I may be able to get back online but Imay have to make a provisional vote soon

[Mithalwen]

Double post because crosspost with Fea..... I posted in lunchtime and I have posted as soon as my work finished a few minutes ago. I managed a sneaky glimpse or two between times. Remember the timezones.

I really don't know what to think ... and - well see the other thread

[Valier]

I thought I would post a quick post before school.

We know each other fairly well in this village... take advantage of it.

I wish this was true..but I don't really know any of you,so I guess this puts me at a bit of a disadvantage for knowing what someone will do.

That whole last post by Shelob was weird so to speak. Why would you say that you understand why people would vote for you? you are pretty much shouting wolf to me by saying go ahead kill me now, then in the same sentence saying don't look at me,look at everyone else. Getting a little edgy?

Then you say your not going to post more, just stay quiet till the vote....I've seen that somewhere before........I think it was a wolf.

Well that's all I have time for now I will look at what has developed when I get home and vote before the deadline. :p

[Mithalwen]

Have to go, may not be back so must vote.... could vote for me but I know I am innocent so will vote for the person who confuses me most ..... it may seem like spite since she drew attention to then excused my necessary absence btu Ican't help it.... I don't expect followers , my judgement is really off lately but I know she can be a very dangerous wolf or a very confusing innocent - so really this is a compliment!!!
++Feanor

[Anguirel]

Here's another idea, let's play suspect versus accuser, you up for that Mr. Inquisitor?

Try me. Oh, you have!


Excellent, so now you can't say "but I'm talkative, ergo I'm no wolf". You yourself have said that you wouldn't mind drawing attention.

That's what I said, oh wondrous passing fair maiden.


That was quite the turnaround there, and all in one post. Somehow you've managed to accuse the only person to vote for you, and three who voted for a now known innocent at the begining of your spiel, and by the end have dropped two of those who voted for said innocent while adding me to your list.

My posting is not the result of painstaking thought. It is thought. If I did not turn around, I'd be awfully narrow-minded.

It's true that my unease about Garin was heavily loaded. It's also true I admitted it was from the outset.

And as for you, I had you pinned as a target to be spun at a rather earlier stage. After seeing your rather hysterical first post of the day. Not at all like this incisive little masterpiece. I'm much easier with give-and-take than weep-and-sigh.

As for effectively dropping off two Eonwe voters, that was the whole point of the analysis! To see who was the most worth watching out of that three. I thought Mith and Valesse more innocuous looking, and said so.


And yet [Fea] appears nowhere on your later lists, if she's "definitively" a wolf you'd think you'd pay more attention to her. Unless labeling people as wolves has descended to the level of a joke...in which case we may as well give up the hunt now and let the wolves take us all.

Our valiant Ranger/Doctor said "Laughter is the best medicine" before he died. Rest assured that Fea and I are taking nothing we say to each other seriously. That won't stop us denouncing on its basis, of course...

The great shame about Eomer's death was that we lost one of the village's most adept joke-takers. The wolf who murdered him must have been a real killjoy.

After that you sink so low as to insult my grammar. As I said regarding Kath, such points are cheap and futile.


So once again you've got someone you feel certain is a wolf...and yet later I'm only second on your list of suspicious persons. Tell me, if you're so sure I'm a wolf shouldn't I be first on your list of suspicious people? And wouldn't it make more sense to press other people (Garin for example, since he's now highest on your list, or Fea whom you also said is obviously) a wolf.

Of course I'm not certain you're a wolf. Who do you think I am? Some kind of...Seer?! But don't slip into defensiveness madam. Keep it cool. It suits you far better. As for pressing the others;

a. I am prodding Garin
b. Fea-Definitive-Wolf was a bleeding witticism...not the first time those things land me into the fray
c. You yourself are implicitly criticising me for trying Garin's defences left, right, and centre; here you order me to press the poor varlet. I like your new signature.


Finally, isn't it odd that the two people you've stated are obviously wolves are the two people we're clearly being made to focus on? It seems a little strange to me that you're either dumb enough to fall into that trap, or dumb enough to keep pressuring it, trying to make people believe it, as it were.

That gets at this squire's pride, demoiselle. Double bluffs exist...in fact single bluffs are rather passe at the moment. And there is no way that you can suggest Eomer's demise makes us clearly focus on Garin.

Now, now, not to accuse you friend Ang, not directly anyway...

Of course not.


but there's enough there for me to feel fine voting for you....

But of course.


As for Garin, I'll note he fell for it.


But so, oh fairer than fair, did you. You ended up lashing 'gainst him anyway. I merely oiled a wheel or two.

Now, voting. I enjoyed Suspect vs Suspect, but neither of you have had much success in persuading me you're wolves yet, sadly.

++KATH

See my analysis on the Eonwe crowd for my reasons.

[Kath]

Right I have returned! And I must admit to complete shock - Lommy was a wolf! :eek: Kudos to anyone that actually spotted that and didn't vote randomly.

But to todays problems. There seems to be a lot of fighting between people, with Garin and Shelob in particular being very defensive. Being accused is often just a way for people to generate discussion, it doesn't mean they have something against you on a personal level. Don't take it to heart!

Now yesterday we had three bandwagons through the day for Lommy and Eonwe:
Lommy - Eomer, Anguirel, tar
Eonwe - Kath, Mith, Valesse
Eomer - Fea, Shelob, Lommy

We know that Lommy was a wolf and we know that Eomer and Eonwe were innocents. Now I doubt that wolves would vote for one of their own on the first day so (by my reasoning) that rules out Anguirel and tar as well. I am prepared to believe though that a wolf would be in either the Eonwe or the Eomer bandwagons. I'm going to rule out Fea (albeit grudgingly) because of the backtracking. While that might seem suspicious, I don't think she expected so many people to hop on the end of her vote and actually kill Eomer.

Fribble the tortoises need feeding. More in about half an hour.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Abercrombie voted for me on day one, because she was baffled by my vote for Ang. I didn't care for her reasoning,

You're looking way too deeply into my vote (the only vote that you got all day, so I still can't see why you're harping on it). I voted for you because:
a) the day had barely even started yet and you had voted for Ang, someone who I thought was likely innocent.
b) there was already a bandwagon going on with Eomer (I can't remember if the Eonwe one had truly started yet) and I certainly did not feel comfortable voting for him (because of the bandwagon, his hints and the fact that he's a good player and someone that I didn't want to lose immediately.)
c) it was the first day. I'd say that you shouldn't worry too much about my vote simply because there was very little reasoning behind it except what I've mentioned above. But what else was I supposed to do? This amount of evidence is a perfectly logical amount to go on on the first day and I'm sure there were other votes that had less reasoning.

It seems to me that to continue your suspicion of me and Anguirel is futile and a retribution for our noted suspicions of you.

As far as AbercrombieOfRohan, I apologize for making fun of your name (linking you to a certain brand name)

You were making fun of me? I didn't even notice...

But enough of that... Let's move on to bigger and better things.

Shelob- You're confusing the Inferno out of me friend. One minute you seem a very likely candidate for lynching and discussion and the next you start making sense. Stop that and make up your mind! Either be ridiculously suspicious so I have reason to vote for you or be completely innocent so I can write you off. Tolkien would be disappointed, he always clearly defined his good and evil.

the rest is, for a while anyways, silence.

I'm not happy with this statement. I think that in your position it's best that you continue talking so that I can more clearly fix my thoughts on you. (Though I do understand your reasoning, I think that regardless, you're going to be a topic of discussion today.)

Tar's was a defence? hmm...maybe I should go fully wake up before continuing, I took it as more stones being slung my way...

I read it this way also. Anguirel, care to explain your comment about it being a defense?

However, I'll ask this: DON'T FOCUS ON ME TODAY!

I'll ask you then Shelob, who else should we focus on today? It seems that of the names mentioned so far, it's going to be you, Garin and possibly Wayne who have their names dragged through the mud. The only other possibilites are Tar, Anguirel and Fea, who if any one of these people are wolves, I will be thoroughly disappointed in myself, because right now they are seeming more innocent than you.

I'd also like to hear much more from Mith (I know you have computer problems) and Kath. They could be assets to this game, but their silence is making me uneasy.

I hope that's it, if I repeated myself or didn't make sense...well, blame anything that's already been sent to Mordor.

[Anguirel]

tar-ancalime basically reminded me at one point that assuming Shelob's guilt did a great disservice to the tactics of Thinlomien-that two wolves wouldn't blithely hop onto the same bandwagon. I had to admit that this was a good point, and it's still the major evidence in favour of Shelob's innocence in my mind.

Kath, do defend yourself when you have the time. I don't really want to have to keep my vote for you, for you are lusciously fair of countenance and I'm fond of the tortoises.

[Kath]

Well my absence got me a vote but nevermind. Votes for those who are quiet are often from those with something to hide behind bluster and talk. Since you say you want a defence Anguirel here it is - I'm innocent. Useless defence I know but it's all I have. Also, I said when I voted that I had no real reasoning for the vote. I am sorry that it led to the death of an innocent but I'm afraid I had nothing to go on.

Back to my post. I rule out Fea for removing herself from the bandwagon as I said. I will also remove myself. That leaves Mith, Valesse and Shelob. Of those three I would consider Shelob the most suspicious, though I freely admit that that is based on a lot of what has been said today. Mith we have not seen much of today due to her troubles and because of that I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt as she seems so frazzled that I think it unlikely to be a bluff of any kind! Valesse I am not sure about. Her explanation of her vote was as good a one as any (and far better than mine).

I'm always a little wary of dissecting bandwagon votes though, as it is possible that everyone on them are innocents. The wolves may wish to distance themselves from something that's going to be so carefully looked at.

So, the other votes:
Garin-->Anguirel
eonwe-->Valier
Valier-->Wayne
Abercrombie-->Garin
Fea-->Fea
Roa_Aoife-->Shelob
Wayne-->Fea 2

No one but Fea had more than one vote to their name, and to be honest since that second vote was given by Wayne I'm not inclined to read much into it. Gandalf didn't vote but I'm taking his word on not knowing we had started as if I hadn't been hanging round here I wouldn't have either!

So that leaves me with these as a list of possible wolves:
Shelob - as I've said any suspicion here is mostly based on the accusations people have been throwing at her all day, as well as extremely defensive posts in response.

Garin - again very defensive. He has been consistent, voting for Anguirel on both days. This makes me think he might be innocent, as not many newbie wolves would stick so to their principles (at least in my opinion).

Valier - did a very helpful analysis of Eomer's posts. They do point to Shelob's being guilty but then, Eomer didn't actually know anything. Voted for Wayne, which I can see as an understandable random vote on the first day.

Abercrombie - suspects Shelob simply because she lived past day 1. Talks quite a bit though mainly in response to others. Seems to be cool and clear headed, which actually makes me suspect her as a wolf would have extra knowledge and might have a least some assurity of what was going to happen.

Roa - has made one post today (I think). Can't do anything about him til he reappears.

So:
Shelob and Abercrombie are those I have suspicions of based on something tangible.

Based on gut feeling, I'm not keen on Garin and Anguirel. Not in retaliation to the vote I just received before someone points that out. I have a natural tendency to distrust anyone that seems to be taking charge. It's habit.

[Anguirel]

That'll do passing well, Lady Kath. I'm going to vote for Roa_Aoife. A friendly spur to provoke a tad more action.

--KATH, ++ROA_AOIFE

Well, if you can retract, you might as well retract, blast it...

[Kath]

Ok time for someone to help me with my maths.

a) Have there already been two votes for Fea, one from Mith and one from Wayne?

b) When is the deadline?

And for fear of not getting back on here before the time's up, here is a vote just in case.

++WAYNE

Because if I am back in time to change it that's great, but if not I'm not so averse to losing him.

[WaynetheGoblin]

i dont trust anyone.i dont care what he said but i go by my gut.i wanted to change my vote and abrodcrobie sorry your before me. gandalf has been acting strange to strange and with all the things going on i will vote.

++gandalf

[Garin]

Shelob: However, I'll ask this: DON'T FOCUS ON ME TODAY!
That was wonderful by the way but I can do you one better.
HEY GUYS, I AM A GREAT GUY, FUN TO BE AROUND AND EXTREMELY GOOD LOOKING SO NEVER LYNCH ME. 'KAY?
Anyways, I'm strapped for time and have really missed why Wayne, Kath and Gandalf have garnered votes. Not to be lazy but direct me to the posts.
Okay, I'm being lazy.
I am a carpenter and I think I had one splinter too many today.

[Shelob]

Umm, Ang, could you lay off the "shiningly gorgeous"s and "oh wondrous passing fair maiden"s. At least in regards to me...quite frankly they make me more nervous than someone wearing a sign that says "Werewolf and proud of it"

Speaking of signs:
Tolkien would be disappointed, he always clearly defined his good and evil.
I'm pretty sure he'd be disappointed by this whole thing then, since for "good and evil" to be "clearly defined" the wolves would have to either tell us they're evil or be wearing the previously mentioned signes...somehow I don't forsee this happing, this side of reality anyway.

I think that in your position it's best that you continue talking so that I can more clearly fix my thoughts on you.
Perhaps, but I wanted to give a chance for other people to to be noticed, and to speak, I'm back now so fix your thoughts away.

That whole last post by Shelob was weird so to speak. Why would you say that you understand why people would vote for you? you are pretty much shouting wolf to me by saying go ahead kill me now, then in the same sentence saying don't look at me,look at everyone else. Getting a little edgy?
Not edgy, irked. But as to why do I understand if people vote for (and even, perchance, end up lynching me), quite simply because I am in a very suspicious looking position, people look for (and vote for) people who look suspicious. If I didn't understand that I'd have a real issue now wouldn't I.

As for "saying go ahead and kill me now", I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. Perhaps you read it as that but I said I understand if you all end up killing me. To that "shouting wolf", perhaps we're playing with different wolves? The last time I checked the ones we're after were trying not to shout their presence to the world.


By my reconing there's ~5.5 hrs until this Day ends, correct? Since I can be on pretty consistantly until then I'll keep checking in fairly regularly.

[Garin]

I should explain: in the world of retractable votes I want my vote to count, so if I must change it to seal someone's fate I will, just give me a good reason. I never like the really silent ones, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Shelob]

That was wonderful by the way but I can do you one better.

One better? I wasn't Trying to do anything except keep the lot of you from foolishly giving the wolves perfect cover! I never said "Don't lynch me", in fact I said 'Go ahead and lynch me if you think you can gain by it". What right have I to even suggest people don't lynch me? We're in a village with Werewolves, if enough people think I'm suspicious then by all means lynch me. It's better to lynch a suspicious looking innocent and learn your mistake than keep them around and never be sure if they're waiting to Claw you in the back.

[Garin]

Dearest Shelob
And they call me defensive? I was just having a bit of fun.
Actually, I remember a past life in which I was just as defensive. In fact, I might have even been a werewolf. In a previous existence, of course. In a land far away.

[Shelob]

Bloody Jokers! Be done with me then, eh?

++Shelob

and laugh yourselves to death.

[Garin]

Shelob, if you are truly innocent you are doing our village a disservice by offering yourself to the noose.
If you be a bluffing werewolf, I say good riddance.

[Valier]

I may have seemed to have a past life as well Garin, that my instincts told me to vote for the defensive one, and they were in fact a wolf. I might employ the same tactics now, as then and catch us a wolf. Then again an innocent will still feel the need to defend themselves as feverishly as a wolf would.

So saying that my vote is leaning towards Shelob, But I'm not concrete on it yet.....Time will tell I guess.

[Shelob]

you are doing our village a disservice by offering yourself to the noose.

No kidding, though perhaps you'll grant me to today hasn't been the greatest of days? And I have math work, if you're looking for bad combinations of factors "not being trusted" + "Statistics project" + "Calculus Project" + "can't tell when people are joking unless I can hear/see them" is high on the list.

I'm leaving my vote where it is for now though, as I see I'm doing a disservice by dying now, but if I survive longer and still aren't trusted I'll do a greater disservice later. If something comes up that warrents me changing it I shall.

[Garin]

This 'statistics' you speak of, I believe that it has once led me to the edge of a cliff.
Strange tongues speaking of Chi and Anova, maybe death is better.

[Kath]

Well arguing like this isn't going to get us far! Shelob, if you are an innocent I would suggest you change your vote.

Voting so far:
Shelob - Shelob
Wayne - Gandalf
Kath - Wayne
Anguirel - Roa
Mith - Fea
Garin - Shelob
Gandalf - Wayne

So the two looking at being lynched today are Shelob (unless she changes her vote) and Wayne. Do we really want another double lynching? If both are innocents our numbers are going to decrease pretty rapidly.

[Garin]

Kath: Do we really want another double lynching?
I don't like the village's odds when it comes to double lynching, although it worked, to an extent, yesterday. Kath, you have attracted votes. You have also, voted for Wayne. I didn't get a good idea as to why. Please elaborate. I want a wolf today and the time grows near. I am still leaning towards Shelob, due to the air of desperation. I just do not want another innocent gone, two especially.

[Shelob]

If I change my vote you'll be stuck with me, you know that right?

There's no way the wolves are going to kill me now so I'll be here each DAY I'm not lynched.

And if I'm not lyncehd and I'm innocent you'll never be quite sure of that, but if I'm not lynched and I'm a wolf you've just handed me an excuse to continue amongst the living.

For my part I still say I'm innocent, and that I lie not, but you have no way but my death to tell. If I change my vote you'll either have to get both the real wolves despite my distracting presence or kill me later, and the longer I remain a distraction the easier it is for the wolves to hide.

That's worse for the village than just losing me now, though unless we're sure of Wayne's guilt (which I doubt we are) I'd suggest someone breaks the tie.

[Kath]

At the time it was a safety measure to ensure I would have voted, and I dind't change it when I last posted because I hoped that Shelob would change her mind. However, it doesn't appear that she will and I am really not keen on the idea of a double lynch so:

--WAYNE, ++SHELOB

Hopefully it will be the lesser of two evils. The death of only one innocent at the worst, and the death of a wolf at best.

[Garin]

RETRACTABLE VOTES, PEOPLE!!
Give me a reason to pull away from Shelob and train my bow towards another's furry haunches and I shall.
But, right now, it is worth finding out.
Anyone hear from Abercrombie...nothing implied...by the way?

[Shelob]

This is crazy, I finally give up hope you of people ever trusting me, decide it's for the overall better of the village if I'm not going to be a distraction on later days...and all they can do is beg me to change my vote...

well then, if we're serious about it, let's find a more wolf like cantidate shall we?

[Kath]

Garin you and I could both point our votes at one person to ensure Shelob's safety. I don't believe that she is a wolf as this is an incredibly dangerous bluff to play. Though of course, you could also be a wolf and have planned all this between you but that will just confuse my brain. Is anyone else around? I could use some more input on this.

Although all we actually need is for Shelob to retract her own vote.

EDIT: Yes please Shelob! Let's do that!

[Shelob]

Alrighty then Kath, you and me, let's look at everyone and let's look at what Thin did before her death...which, actually, I just did.

Thin began by bemoaning the deaths of Glirdan and Gil. Her next post suspected Eomer and Ang for being talkative and trying to make themselves trusted. She comments that everyone is suspicious so the best we can do is guess and hope. She comments that Roa hasn't been on it, and is suspicous for being quiet. She votes for Eomer, since he "trys to flatter people more than Ang"

At first glance this'd clear Ang and Roa, though her mentioning Eomer and Ang then dropping one could be a wolf trick to hide Ang in case of her death, I'm disinclined to believe it at this point though, but it should be mentioned.

[Garin]

Garin you and I could both point our votes at one person to ensure Shelob's safety. I don't believe that she is a wolf as this is an incredibly dangerous bluff to play. Though of course, you could also be a wolf and have planned all this between you but that will just confuse my brain. Is anyone else around? I could use some more input on this.
Yes, PLEASE give us input!
Plus, Kath I still see Ang voted for you but his vote lynched a wolf. Please defend yourself.
If you need any pointers........Edit: [I]Don't look to me because I suck at it

[Garin]

I currently expect Ang to be innocent due to his vote for Thin, can werewolves be that devious?

[Kath]

That leaves a lot of people left to suspect though Shelob. I'd be somewhat inclined to think that her dropping Eomer's name in with Ang's might point to Ang being a wolf since she'd know that Eomer was innocent. Innocence by association and all.

Garin I don't understand. If he voted for me how can he have lynched a wolf? :confused:

[Kath]

Can werewolves be that devious?
Yes. Most definitely. That little tactic would appear to put Ang in the clear since Lommy was a wolf. It might be plotting.

[Valier]

Well I have read this little debate. I don't know...you guys are a little too confusing for me yet. But I was going to vote for Shelob but if you can prove that there's a better candidate. I would like to hear it.

[tar-ancalime]

Shelob, STOP IT!

You said:

Tar's was a defence?

Yes, it was, as a matter of fact (see Ang's post). I thought that Thinlomien's presence on that bandwagon(coming AFTER you) effectively exonerated you, which is why I couldn't understand why you would excise her from your analysis. It made your analysis look suspicious because you weren't presenting the whole case.

I really don't think you're a wolf. There, I've said it and I certainly hope you're not because if you turn out to be one you're going to take me down with you as your only defender.

Which, by the way, I'm about to stop being. Your posts throughout the day have made it very clear that you're not interested in the kind of help I can give you; you're only interested in seeing accusers everywhere and in flying off the handle. I wash my hands of the whole situation, especially if you're going to persist in voting for yourself.

The one focusing the conversation on you is YOU. In your absence there was discussion about Wayne, Garin, and others. But on your return and your pugilistic posts, of course things got back to you.

I still don't think you're a wolf, but don't expect any more defenses from me. I wash my hands of you.

[Shelob]

It does leave a lot of people to look at, but unless someone wants to go back over Angs posts now and find evidence one way or the other the best we can do is speculate.

beyond Ang though we've got
Roa
Mith
Gandalf
Valier
Valesse
Wayne
Fea
Crombie
tar
and, of course, ourselves (note, Garin, I'm counting you in on this), to look at...we could split it, each take three other people and look at what they've done...

[Garin]

Kath you have said little in your defense but seem to be show sympathy towards the currently furry Shelob, despite your vote. Let 'er rip. Feel free to chime in, Ang.

[Shelob]

I knew leaving was a good idea, tar...and I came back 'cause of Abers.

Right now though I'm seriously going to try and look at everyone else, if you wanna help have at it, else wise I'm just going to let myself be lynched and rid you of the problem that is me.

[Valesse]

So sudden the scene seems stormy! (Are seconds days always so vicious?)

It might not be so strange that even after all of this that my first... okay well this is going to sound sick... "draft" to "decorate the family tree" hasn't changed. Though I might just be alone in voting for them (Yep! I'm still withholding for the sake of my possible safety.), I'm suprised no one else is... lest they have changed their vote from doing so.

Something seems fishy to me, and since I spend most of my time much further away from the water than any of the rest of you, thats saying something! Not that I don't find... oh... There's no way the wolves are going to kill me now. just a wee bit outstanding, and worth review. I can pretty much promise my vote won't be Shelob today.

Today I think she is innocent.

So at a glance:

Anguirel - Roa
Gandalf - Wayne
Garin - Shelob
Kath - Shelob
Mith - Fea
Shelob - Shelob
Wayne - Gandalf

As I see those who have received votes:

Our big "winner" Shelob has given up trying to tell us how innocent she is- even after her command (which was not very well received) not to do the very thing we have all done. Someone is rather "eager to deal death in judgement" as they always say... Would a wolf kill themself of make the option so open?

Fea is herself: laughy-daffy and lets not forget cunning. Someone very wise said once that This is not a wine for drinking. This is a wine for laying down and avoidingIf Fea were a wine... she'd be that wine.

I haven't the faintest idea why anyone would vote Roa but she doesn't say much, so why not?

Wayne and Gandalf have it out for one another.

Have I missed anything?

[Kath]

Garin I am completely confused! I thought we had just agreed that Shelob was unlikely to be a wolf! And why am I the one suddenly needing to defend myself?

tar - Shelob is trying not to take thigs to heart anymore and I think will retract her own vote.

[Valier]

just going to let myself be lynched and rid you of the problem that is me.

Ok Ok enough all ready that was the last straw for me.....Wish granted


++ Shelob :(

[Roa_Aoife]

You know, I posted in the other thread that I would be unavailable for most of the day....

Also, I'd like to point out my rather embarrassing mistake yesterday when I assumed that the roles were decided upon the whim of the Mod God, rather than random designation. I thought this because I was assigned the role of Ordo, and I assumed it was due to this being my first go round (give the newbie an insignifcant role- perfectly logical.) I am, therefore, innocent.

As for lynching votes, I thought Shelob was guilty yesterday, and today has done little to change my mind. My dear madam spider, a calm reasonable defence of oneself is far less suspicious of a desperate cry. If you are trying to throw suspicion from yourself by voting for yourself, a repeat of Fea's tactic yesterday, you have failed.

++Shelob, as before, since I felt it was justified then, and I feel it is more than justified now.

EDIT: I'm a girl.

[Garin]

Garin: I don't understand. If he voted for me how can he have lynched a wolf?
I have problems with days.
Ang voted for you today but voted for Thin yesterday. Am i right?

[Kath]

*sigh* Well I guess that's it. No chance of saving her now. Shelob, I hope you're a wolf because if not this is going to cause some serious discussion tomorrow.

My vote will stand. I'm going to bed to recover.

EDIT: And yes Garin that's right, but Ang retracted his vote.

[Garin]

G'night Kath
You've just been acting strange and I still have a couple hours, as does the suicidal one, to change my vote.
Ang?

[Garin]

It seems to me that, perhaps, Kath has just dealt a hell of a double bluff. Maybe, Kath and Shelob are mates? Can lycans be this crafty? The female mind, even the canine kind, is some trick to untangle and I am far from mastery. The hour draws near.

[Roa_Aoife]

Don't be to sure of yourself, Garin. Much suspicion still rests on you. So much that if you are not A wolf, I doubt you will die tonight, for you take the suspicion from any true wolves. Therefore you will surely be re-examined tomorrow.

[Garin]

Don't be to sure of yourself, Garin. Much suspicion still rests on you. So much that if you are not A wolf, I doubt you will die tonight, for you take the suspicion from any true wolves. Therefore you will surely be re-examined tomorrow.
As a wise old sage once blubbered: BRING IT ON!!
Wise wolves would kill me when the eve comes, for I am their threat. I am an ordo and have no gift but the nose Eru gave me for the Lycans. They arre desperate.....and smell bad.

[tar-ancalime]

tar - Shelob is trying not to take thigs to heart anymore and I think will retract her own vote.

Yes, and I think she was probably typing her post to that effect at the same time I typed my perhaps overly-tart commentary.

However, it may be too late.

I'm still deciding my own vote for the day.

So far Garin, Gandalf, and Wayne are bothering me the most. Gandalf and Wayne seem to be playing some kind of meta-game with each other in which they log on only to exchange votes. This in itself is troubling--what if they're BOTH wolves? We'd never gather enough evidence on either of them!

Garin, on the other hand, is behaving quite strangely to my mind. He votes VERY early for Anguirel, saying it's "random" (yes, Garin, I noted the irony). But why would he do such a thing on Day 2, when we've got so much more to go on, and when he knows he'll be around for the rest of the day to see what happens? Is he just that enamored of the idea of retracting?

Then, when the Shelob discussion really got underway he changed his vote. He was the first to vote for her, true, but it wasn't hard to see which way the wind was blowing--if he thinks it's a done deal then what better way to protect himself than by getting in early and looking like a leader? But then, all I've really got is a nebulous bad feeling that I'm trying to substantiate. And we all know what happens when you go looking for a certain result, right? So I think perhaps it's better I lay off Garin...for now. If he gives me the same feeling tomorrow I may not be so inclined.

On the other hand, there are some people who definitely won't be getting my vote. I think Anguirel and Fea are likely innocents--Anguirel because he not only voted for Thinlomien, he cast the deciding vote that took her down with eonwe, and Fea for the same reason as Shelob--for now. True, it's entirely possible she and Thinlomien worked out the whole Eomer thing as a setup to make Fea look innocent, but if so they had to know that voting last for Eomer meant Thinlomien was not long for the world--sacrificing a wolf on the very first day seems foolhardy and risky, even for Fea, so with that roundabout logic she gets on to my list of likely innocents.

Whom to vote for? Whom to vote for? Right now I'm leaning Wayne but for no good reason.

[Roa_Aoife]

Just to update, the votes currently stand thus:

Anguirel - Roa
Gandalf - Wayne
Garin - Shelob
Kath - Shelob
Mith - Fea
Shelob - Shelob
Wayne - Gandalf
Valier- Shelob
Roa- Shelob

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I like your logic, tar-a. I'm not sure that even I'd bother with that super-uber-mega-bluff. Too many possible ways for it to go wrong.

In any case, sorry it took me so long to get back online. It was a loooooooooooooooooooooooong day. Though this is a bit pointless of a vote, since it's so late in the proceedings.

++SHELOB

Because I didn't stop having the funny feeling (don't you love the empirical evidence?:rolleyes:) and I've been too busy to get a decent idea of my gut instincts for anybody else. Except that I'll be very upset if either Kath or Ang are lupine. They don't strike me as the type.

[tar-ancalime]

++Garin

It's coals to Newcastle at this point, I'm afraid--I was actually considering abstaining, because absent an eleventh-hour mass retraction the outcome seems certain for today. But rather than put the spotlight on ME for not voting, I decided it would be better to shine a little light on someone who's not sitting right with me.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

suspects Shelob simply because she lived past day 1.

This is long standing joke between the two of us because of the other werewolf games. I didn't mean anything serious by it.

Tolkien would be disappointed, he always clearly defined his good and evil.
I'm pretty sure he'd be disappointed by this whole thing then, since for "good and evil" to be "clearly defined" the wolves would have to either tell us they're evil or be wearing the previously mentioned signes...somehow I don't forsee this happing, this side of reality anyway.

I meant this too as a joke. Sorry that sarcasm doesn't come across so well in print.

Oi vey, today's been trying. I was ready to vote Shelob earlier today, but her insistance of her innocence has lead me to believe that she is just that; innocent. So, this brings me back to square one. Shall I vote for Garin, who I'm simply suspicious of because of his unreasonable (IMHO) suspicion of me? Or shall I vote for Gandalf or Wayne because their silence and unhelpfulness is unnerving? I also really don't want to cause a double lynching. So, let me go review the posts and I'll be back with a vote in a few minutes.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Whoops, didn't realise that Roa had posted a handy dandy little list right there. But now I can't have the excuse of another two or three minutes...

I think I'll go Wayne. I'm sorry, but your lack of evidence in your very few posts irritates me. Plus, you're a huge unknown and it's much better for the village to have an understanding of something about each player.

So with a heavy heart, I vote:

++WAYNETHEGOBLIN

[Roa_Aoife]

It may be a bit late to say this, but I think one should vote for whom reason has lead one to suspect, not one that everyone else suspects. That's how the wolf band-wagoning strategy works, or so I understand.

If you suspect Shelob, by all means, vote for her. If you do not, then don't vote for her simple because everyone else is. I almost want to retract my vote, because so many poeple are on this train. I do, however, trust my initial instinct regarding her, and I will follow through on that.

My vote will stand, and I will likely not be on for the remainder of the day. I apologize for my lack of activity today, but I must return to prepare any salves that may be of use in coming days. ((Read: I have homework.))

Good night, my neighbors, and I bid you take care.

[Roa_Aoife]

And just to be helpful

The vote stands:

Anguirel - Roa 1
Gandalf - Wayne 1
Garin - Shelob 1
Kath - Shelob 2
Mith - Fea 1
Shelob - Shelob 3
Wayne - Gandalf 1
Valier- Shelob 4
Roa- Shelob 5
Fea- Shelob 6
Tar- Garin 1
Crombie- Wayne 2

[Garin]

So we have Shelob: Garin, Fea, Shelob. Roa, Valier, Kath
Fea: Mith
Garin: Tar
Gandalf: Wayne
Roa: Ang
Wayne: Gandalf, Crombie
Am I right?

[Garin]

Anguirel, my first target. You talked me into Shelob and voted for someone who has no chance of dying. Explain, please.
I think Kath and Shelob seem most entangled, and if she pleads her case I shall retract but...

[Valesse]

Well... it looks like nothing is going to sway me again toDAY.

Maybe its frustration. Maybe its a feeling. Maybe its just bad goat's milk. Something just doesn't seem right about Garin. It feels strange that he is really the only person truely demanding answers and is twice has passionate as the rest of the villagers when accused... with exception of Shelob, that is.

However I said I wouldn't vote for her and I stick by that... not that it makes much of a differance with that slew of people voting her head off. Literally. My vote is not for influence (obviously... because most everyone has voted already) but because its my vote. I tried to pawn it off for some new hidden lines since Thin broke my other one, but apparently they are non-refundable.

Thats life for you.

++Garin

By the way... keep the hidden line thing a secret, won't you? Bad publicity.

[Glirdan]

Please stop voting. I'll have the death up shortly.

[Glirdan]

It was another long day for the villagers. After burying poor Eomer, their beloved doctor and protector, they went back to disscussing on who they were to lynch next, yet none were sure of whom they wanted to lynch. Finally, after being questioned and accused all day, Shelob got fed up. "That's it! I have had enough of this!" she cried.

"We all are!" Gandalf yelled at her. "So what are you going to do about it!?" he demanded. With that, Shelob ran to her shob and grabbed her scciors and ran back out to the village square. "You want to see what I'm going to do!?" She yelled and as she did, she stabbed herself in the leg. Everyone stood there, mouths wide open in shock and fear. And she continued up until she reached her chest. "This is good bye my friends. I really do hope you catch those lupines." With that, she stabbed at her heart. Blood poured forth, in a pool of blood all around her, and she fell, face first, into it. The villagers couldn't look away form the horrid incident the entire time. Tar was the first to come out of the daze and she wept, for Shelob was a dear friend to all of the villagers, even the two cursed villagers. However, she did not transform. Shelob had sacrificed her life for the villagers.

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword
Shelob(Ordor) - Day 2 - killed herself with her scciors in sacrifice

Alive
Garin
Roa
Ang
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valier
Valesse
Wayne
Fea
Crombie
tar

It is now Night 3. I need a name from Wolves, Seer and Hunter.

PS: Names included in deaths have nothing to do with their actual roles. So don't go accusing people for having their names in a death.

[Gil-Galad]

It was a murky morning, the sun not yet risen, tar-ancalime was up and about after a restless sleep due to a dream she was walking near Feanor's house where she heard some rustling and tumbling, she wewnt to make sure Fea was alirhgt, when she opened the door, a spear went right through her chest and she fell down with her eyes glowing and her trinkets falling down her sleave


Feanor got up after a loud noise shook her up, she got up and entered into the kichten, but she began too smell wet dog, it did rain a little bit that night, she looked behind her and there was 2 shadowy figures, Fea knew exactly what to do and she jumped and rolled into the living room with the fireplace right as on of the wolves jumped for where she was. Feanor grabbed a spear and looked around for one of the wolves, she saw one by the door and threw it, the door opened and there was tar-ancalime, eyes wide open about what was happening, right after tar-ancalime fell down, Feanor was jumped on and mauled by the other wolf by the side.

The remaining villagers woke up and pondered about the morning's events as the rooster cock-a-doodled-doo in the background to signify the next day

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Dead
Glirdan(Mod) - Night 1 - Beheaded and then reheaded with a sax
Gil-Galad(Mod) - Night 1 - Bled to death.
Eonwe(Ordo) - Day 1 - gallows collapse on top of her
Thin(Wolf) - Day 1 - strangled to death, by Valesse with a hidden chord
Eomer(Ranger) - Night 2 - stabbed through his stomach with own sword
Shelob(Ordor) - Day 2 - killed herself with her scciors in sacrifice
tar-ancalime(seer) - Night 3 - stabbed by spear through the heart
Feanor of the Peredhil(hunter) - Night 3 -Mauled on both sides

Alive
Garin
Roa
Ang
Mith
Kath
Gandalf
Valier
Valesse
Wayne
Crombie


It is now Day 3. Wolves stop pming.
posting begins now/

[Mithalwen]

What an eru-awful mess.....
I was fairly sure Tar was innocent but to lose two gifted in a night.... aieeee this is bad....

Obviously we need to look at the posting in the light of this....

but I will just mention something I noticed while reviewing the posts since I left. I did wonder why Kath when she listed bandwagons posted my name after hers in the "Eonwe" one. I voted for Eonwe first. Yes I was wrong but my reasoning was an awful lot more substantial... if anyone a was bandwagonning...it was Kath. I suppose it is natural to try to put oneself int eh best light but in that context it seemed dishonest...

[Roa_Aoife]

Our hunter and our seer in one night! Now none stand to protect us except ourselves. Such a blow to our village.

If tar was our seer, it makes sense to look at her posts.

She seems to shine quite a light on Garin, who was really under quite a lot of suspicion yesterday, and had things gone a little differently, he might have been lynched instead of Shelob.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Oh man, this is not good. I had Tar pinned as the seer too, and I just kept hoping that she'd make it... ah well...

I'm off to review Tar's posts. I just wanted to let y'all know I was here.

Anyone know what time day will end?

[Mithalwen]

superficially she seems to have exonerated Ang and so ironically Fea and gunning for Wayne and Garin... comments?

[Anguirel]

Lord. At this rate, you'd think the wolves had hired a seer of their own...

I shall reviewe this tragedie anon. Alas, courtly scholaireshippe detaines me for a while.

[Mithalwen]

I think we must have at least the full 24 hrs from now .... With all the gifteds dead and presumably the cursed villager still a factor .... after teh good start getting Thin..this is rapidly turning into worst case scenario..

[Kath]

Wow this is not good. Shelob dead yesterday and now Fea and tar as our gifted's! With the first a needless death we are not doing well.

Mith to answer your concerns I was reading the thread backwards when working out who had voted, and there was probably no order in particular to the lists as I don't often think about that, I just find the names and stick them in.

Now, unless Garin comes up with one hell of a reason not to vote for him today that's where I'll be headed with mine. Arguing with him about Shelob last night, well, the second she voted for herself it was obvious she was not a wolf, and he kept on and on at her, and then tried to include me in his arguments! The whole time looking for support from Ang, though if Garin turns out to be a wolf I would be inclined to think that Ang isn't and that it was an attempt to ally himself with an innocent. I realise that there were others (including myself) who voted for Shelob, but Garin was there while all the arguing was going on. Perhaps it was just that he didn't see how stupid it would be to be a bluffing wolf at that point, but somehow I don't think he's that dense.

Anyway, there's fair warning to you Garin. Get defending.

[Mithalwen]

Now we know we have 24 hrs I am going to leave for a while sinceI will be able to return at least 2 or three times. Just as well I checked before placing a provisional vote for Garin..... still top of my list due to TA's hints... but I will watch..and wait..

Roa, I am inclined to think innocent .. her regret about the Shelob train of events seem sincere and unwolvish...

[Valesse]

Oddly enough I had Garin pinned for the seer before he cast his vote for Shelob. Obviously, I'm still wary of Garin today... more so now than ever, and unless he is able to weasel his way out of this I don't even have to tell anyone that my vote will not change from the previous.

But lets disect the situation before conclusions are drawn.

[Roa_Aoife]

Indeed it is Mith. And I agree- we need the full time. After reading back through tar's and Garin's posts, I am more suspicious of our carpenter than before.

On the first day, he started off with a fast vote for Ang, which drew a lot of attention. He was really unable to provide a reason for it, e xcept randomness, and refused to back down.

On the second day, he persisted in his vote for Ang, with no real reason at all, only to change quickly when it was seen that Shelob's fate was all but decided. He defended this vote by saying:

I should explain: in the world of retractable votes I want my vote to count, so if I must change it to seal someone's fate I will, just give me a good reason.

Having had the first vote for our hatmaker, how is he sealing anything?

Also, while he doggedly held to his change of mind, he continued to spread suspicion and accusations. He did very little acknowledgement of Shelob after that. If he really believed her to be a wolf, why not continue in that line? Why the darting around?

Garin?

EDIT: Thanks, Mith, for the vote of confidence. I provided a rather (in my opinion) solid defence of myself yesterday with my first post, after Ang had voted for me.

[Mithalwen]

Well Apart from Tar's hints which aren't to be sneezed at .. I have reread yesterday and he just looks plain shifty.. He is very keen to know what other people think and associating with others right, left and centre which is a bit wolfish...... to my mind.

Kath I am somewhat reassured ...that is plausible.... if I am not totally reassured it is becasue I know you are good at this lark!!

[Anguirel]

Just popping back in as I'm starting to fear my slots for discussion this evening will be perilously few.

If you ask me, tar-ancalime dreamed first of Eomer of the Rohirrim, then of Shelob, and finally of Garin, though this last dream was intercepted by Fea's unlucky spear. I say this in the light of re-reading-I did not have her down as a possible Seer in the least. I thought she was talking sense, but then, she usually does...didn't spot the difference...

I say: firstly Eomer because of tar's frustrated/terrified exclamation-"That's one naked Seer tonight!" Also I believe he was at the top of her meta-dream list. If I were the Seer. Indeed.

Then of Shelob-the only one that came into play, though alas the voters did not stop it because she couched it only in terms of reason. I thought her defence of Shelob sound and rational-sounding and was unwilling to vote for her, though eager to draw her out a bit. Alas, she was having a hard day and her defensive outbursts incensed others as much as they reassured me. In retrospect I should have made more of a concerted effort to defend Shelob; it was cowardly of me to sit on the fence by quietly voting Roa_Aoife.

And then of Garin-I think her vote and more tellingly her "spotlight" comment make that fairly clear. What's so frustrating is that the wolves were as much in the dark as I, clearly, and had it not been for Fea's hypersuspicion we would know if Garin were man or beast (if tar-ancalime had revealed herself). Better that Fea had taken down Kath or I than our Seer.

Like many others I await Garin's defence with trepidation.

[Garin]

I imagine Roa_Aoife dreamt of me last night and found me innocent. We will never know, I wouldn't kill Fea because by photos she appears to be one of the hottest things on the Barrows. I still feel manipulated by Ang but he did vote against Thin so I imagine him innocent if not diabolical.
I can tell you that my death will lead to a victory for the lycans.
So, this explains my reasoning.
As for Shelob, I was the first voter, and thought her innocent near the end but found nor heard no reason to retract from others. Others are silent, too silent . She was harshly defensive and I never respect the suicidal.
I am intrigued by the votes against Wayne and still wish to see an explanation besides him being quiet and unreasonable and useless to the cause.

[Anguirel]

Oh dear. I do believe stress has driven this fellow quite mad.

Or is it the madness within?

[Garin]

It would be crazy if dear Kath was a wolf but I wish those who voted for her would explain more.

[Garin]

Oh dear. I do believe stress has driven this fellow quite mad.
Ang if you are a wolf you deserve to win. I have yet to decide my vote until I hear more from others. Including you....

[Roa_Aoife]

Garin, I'm not dead, and I haven't dreamt of anyone.

Maybe tar dreamt of you before yesterday, and found you guilty. Indeed, we can't know for certain. You changed your mind so quickly from Ang to Shelob.

How, might I ask, is your death a victory for the Werewolves, beyond one of them not being killed? You've done a poor job finding them out, I must say. I hardly think you're a threat to them. Now, granted, I have done poorly myself, but at least I don't claim to be more than I am.

[Anguirel]

Garin, just to make this clear-

Feanor of the Peredhil is dead, mauled by the two wolves. She was however our Hunter and took with her

tar-ancalime, who turned out to be our Seer. Roa _Aoife is alive and well.

[Kath]

I imagine Roa_Aoife dreamt of me last night and found me innocent.
Oh indeed? And here was me thinking it was tar who was the Seer!

With that little 'slip' I think perhaps we should be looking at Garin and Roa as potential wolves.

[Anguirel]

Accuse Garin by all means Kath-for I intend to myself, I think increasingly-but don't do it on such specious grounds. It's clear that was a simple mistake, whether due to carelessness, madness, blindness or some kind of error, but I highly doubt, in this instance, wolvery. What's wolvish about making a total fool of yourself?

[Garin]

Garin, I'm not dead, and I haven't dreamt of anyone.
Sorry, Roa I have little time and my parchments are in disarray. I would be more exact if our dear mods hadn't posted hours late.

[Roa_Aoife]

Dear Kath, and any other potential accusers, I ask you to look at post #161 for my defence.

As for putting me in league with Garin, I am going to vote for our carpenter unless a much better defence is given. You're on thin ice, Garin. I suggest trying a little harder.

[Kath]

My apologies Anguirel, but such slips have proved to be useful before.

And Garin, please don't blame the mods for your slip ups! The lateness of their posting actually means the list is closer to you now.

[Garin]

I still suspect Ang, but his vote for a lycan makes me think him as innocent. Kill me , if you must, but I'll never behave as that idiot Shelob who voted for herself while being innocent. As I said...Disservice.... to the village.

[Roa_Aoife]

That was rude and more than a bit out of line, Garin. What we mistook for the desperation of a wolf trying to stay hidden was really the frustration of someone who knows she is telling the truth and isn't being listened to. Calling her a name for any reason is simply unacceptable.

I must be going for awhile. I need to attend my potions.

[Garin]

Kath, I love you but you have been behaving oddly.
You have yet to defend yourself against those who wish you dead.
So to get things going...
++Kath

[Anguirel]

That was rude and more than a bit out of line, Garin. What we mistook for the desperation of a wolf trying to stay hidden was really the frustration of someone who knows she is telling the truth and isn't being listened to. Calling her a name for any reason is simply unacceptable.


We should also take into account that she almost certainly had the backing of the Seer, and what's worse, being extremely astute, probably knew she did. It must have been an almost insuperable temptation not to call tar-ancalime out as a Seer and save herself. Better, in a way, if she had done-we would still have a Hunter and a proven innocent as well. But in any case, she died for the village.

She was a soldier of Mejis. Honour her.

[Garin]

Roa: That was rude and more than a bit out of line, Garin. What we mistook for the desperation of a wolf trying to stay hidden was really the frustration of someone who knows she is telling the truth and isn't being listened to.
Any innocent who puts themself upon the slab deserves to die and is an IDIOT. Suicide is a sensitive subject with me and I shall not elaborate.

[Anguirel]

(Garin, if you're speaking from IRL, me too, but it's really considered rather bad form to refer to that sort of thing to further your interests in a game...)

[Kath]

Garin, how exactly have I been behaving oddly? There is no point in mounting a huge defence because all I can say is 'I am innocent'. I have no way to prove it (other than my death which I would prefer not to happen) and anything else just gains you suspicion because you look so defensive. I don't mind people suspecting me, it gives me some protection from the wolves. Unless I was in danger of being lynched it isn't a problem.

[Garin]

Kath you haven't defended yourself against votes against you. You seem more defensive by the day. You haven't said much and all I ask of you is to say more. I hope you are innocent but want to hear more.

[Garin]

Ang: = (Garin, if you're speaking from IRL, me too, but it's really considered rather bad form to refer to that sort of thing to further your interests in a game...)
Agreed.

[Anguirel]

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone, as the actress said to the villager.

++GARIN

[Valier]

Holy Cow!! two gifted in one night! that really sucks :mad: I thought I would just check in.....I'll read over the posts and try to make some sense out of them...

[Valier]

HHHmmmm I just noticed that Gandalf has only made three posts so far....And Wayne only four.
I'm not saying that's overly suspisious but......with all that's been happening I would like to hear a bit more from both of them,so I can get a grasp on where they stand.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Ok, Garin's got my vote tonight and seems to me, to be almost certainly a wolf.

Now, let's not waste anymore time arguing about him. We still have another wolf to catch and we shouldn't squander our time.

I'm not saying that's overly suspisious but......with all that's been happening I would like to hear a bit more from both of them,so I can get a grasp on where they stand.

Wouldn't we all... But Wayne has yet to say a lot in any game he's played in, so don't hold your breath. I've never played with Gandalf before so I've no idea what he's up to.

And now for something completely different... (speaking of which, my dear Tar, I never got a chance to mention how awesome it was that you used that quote in the game...I guess now you'll never know.)

Humphh...I've been re-reading Garin's old posts to see who else he mentions that could give some clue as to who his fellow wolf is. And there is one player that is continually cropping up, in fact, he also voted for her today, and that is Kath. (I know, I know, he mentioned me a few times as well, but since I know I'm innocent I can't really do anything about that, can I?) Now, I had Kath down as an innocent up until my re-reads. So, I'm off to re-read her posts. I thought I'd just put this out there for the rest of you to look at and see if you can see anything else suspicious about Kath's behaviour.

[Kath]

Abercrombie, I can see why your reading of Garin's posts would suggest that, but he's only had it in for me since yesterday before the lynching. Before that he focused almost solely on Anguirel, who he suddenly seems to have backed away from. I hope your reread shows that.

Garin. I say a lot when I'm here. Remember tortoise herding is a slow job :p No seriously, I only have certain times when I have enough time available to me to come here and really join in. I could leave odd useless posts throughout the day but I prefer to make my contribution meaningful, which means I like to leave it until I have time to reply to any queries and really look at what's been going on.

Now, Abercrombie I agree, we do need to look for another wolf. If you decide it isn't me may I suggest we do look at Gandalf and Wayne because they really have barely been here and it may be that that's a perfect cover for a wolf because, with Wayne especially, we attribute it to merely being normal. Usually I would now say I'd go back and look at their posts, but there is barely anything to look at!

[Garin]

Valier: HHHmmmm I just noticed that Gandalf has only made three posts so far....And Wayne only four.
I'm not saying that's overly suspisious but......with all that's been happening I would like to hear a bit more from both of them,so I can get a grasp on where they stand.
Silent ones should be punished due to disinterest in the village. I will vote for Wayne, Gandalf, of Abercrombie before the day is over, Ang has said little except vote for me, but I do not see how a wolf can kill another as with Thin. Anguirel is either a masterful wolf or an innocent, doubtfully a gifted.

[Valier]

I will vote for Wayne, Gandalf, of Abercrombie before the day is over

I don't get it why do you vote without much thought then change it later on?
Are you trying to confuse us villagers?Keep us from finding a pattern?

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Anguirel is either a masterful wolf or an innocent, doubtfully a gifted.

Very doubtful. All the gifteds are dead.

Abercrombie, I can see why your reading of Garin's posts would suggest that, but he's only had it in for me since yesterday before the lynching. Before that he focused almost solely on Anguirel, who he suddenly seems to have backed away from. I hope your reread shows that.

It does. However, I'm still posting this, not because I think it's particularly strong evidence, but because it's something to look at and keep in mind.

THE CASE AGAINST KATH

- Eonwe vote, she admits it is not really based in fact, but rather in spelling

- admits shock that Thin was a wolf, could be a double bluff

- Now I doubt that wolves would vote for one of their own on the first day so (by my reasoning) Which, she didn't vote for a wolf ont he first day, she voted for an innocent.

- Garin - again very defensive. He has been consistent, voting for Anguirel on both days. This makes me think he might be innocent, as not many newbie wolves would stick so to their principles (at least in my opinion). Weirdo reasoning anyone? This made me even more suspicious of him.

- Mentions me in passing. Just like Garin.

- vote for Wayne, after repeated suspicion of Shelob

- changes vote to Shelob

- is confused by Garin's continuing insistance of his suspicion of Shelob, points to her innocence, but perhaps since she knew that Shelob was innocent she was trying to not get caught by the whiplash (like today has produced against Garin)

- Garin says this about Kath, You've just been acting strange and has repeated it since. I'm not sure if it means anything at all.

- Is one of the first today to be forcibly suspicious of Garin (this points to her innocence again), but it could of course be a double bluff, knowing that Garin was undoubtedly going to be lynched today.

- points to Roa

- Garin, how exactly have I been behaving oddly? There is no point in mounting a huge defence because all I can say is 'I am innocent'. I have no way to prove it (other than my death which I would prefer not to happen) and anything else just gains you suspicion because you look so defensive. I don't mind people suspecting me, it gives me some protection from the wolves. Unless I was in danger of being lynched it isn't a problem. Maybe, maybe not...Innocent or no?

So, overall, I can't find any dead-set evidence against Kath, but nor can I label her "complete innocent." I'm usre that most of my evidence is just me grasping at straws, trying to come up with something. I just wanted to put it out there for the village to digest. I'm certainly not suggesting that we lynch her tomorrow, but just remember her... I sincerely hope that tonight's death shows us some evidence.

Oh, and I might as well vote now, because there's pretty much no way I'm not voting for Garin:

++GARIN

[Garin]

Abercrombie: Ok, Garin's got my vote tonight and seems to me, to be almost certainly a wolf.
Now, let's not waste anymore time arguing about him. We still have another wolf to catch and we shouldn't squander our time.
Serious mistake and this is why I maintain my suspicion of you. I will cast my vote tonight, retractable of course, for ....
--Kath ++Abercrombie
On this day the only people who can say for certain that people are wolves, are indeed wolves. If/When I die an innocent please take this notion to heart.
Edit:I neglected to retract my Kath vote.

[Kath]

Silent ones should be punished due to disinterest in the village.
Now Garin I agree that silence is unhelpful but I'm not sure you can call it disinterest. It may well be a ploy simply to remain undetected or there could be other reasons we are not aware of or timezones. Please don't be quite so hasty to judge. I'm not defending silence as it irritates me too but even so.

Then you say that you'll vote for Wayne, Gandalf or Abercrombie. Have you forgotten that you've already voted for me? And why the sudden dropping of all suspicion against me since you were so sure earlier?

Finally, I wouldn't call Abercrombie quiet! Have you another reason for suspecting her?

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Oh, and all of the above can only be taken as truthful, when we know for certain that Garin is a wolf.

[Kath]

Oh and Abercrombie - that first quote you have wasn't from me, I believe it was from Garin. Nice case though! But right now I would be seriously worried if I was working with Garin.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Abercrombie:
Serious mistake and this is why I maintain my suspicion of you. I will cast my vote tonight, retractable of course, for ....
++Abercrombie
On this day the only people who can say for certain that people are wolves, are indeed wolves. If/When I die an innocent please take this notion to heart.

Garin, I have no doubt that most of the village will vote for you. You've acted completely and ridiculously suspicious today. There is just too much evidence against you. Would you like me to explain it?

(Oh and if I'm stepping on anyone's toes, because they think that Garin isn't the most suspicious today, my apologies.)

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Oh and Abercrombie - that first quote you have wasn't from me, I believe it was from Garin. Nice case though! But right now I would be seriously worried if I was working with Garin.

Jes, I know, I was just responding to him. Sorry I should've made that clearer.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

:o :o :o

Oh, and I might as well vote now, because there's pretty much no way I'm not voting for Garin:

++GARIN

Whoops, I forgot that day wasn't ending soon! I'm sorry for the rash vote. Well, I suppose it's not all that rash, but still, I wish I'd held out a little longer, in case anything new comes to light. I guess I probably would've voted for him anyways...

[Roa_Aoife]

Garin, it seems fairly obvious that you'll be lynched by the end of this day, but your defense is disjointed and messy. You seem to not be paying very close attention, and were I in your position, I would on this thread like white on rice. Just to check, is something distracting you today? It seems terribly unfair for your chances to be ruined by a bad day. Whatever it is, you might want to pay a bit closer attention to who's posting what and when.

[Kath]

Jes, I know, I was just responding to him. Sorry I should've made that clearer.
Ah ok, thanks for that.

[Roa_Aoife]

I should think that anyone blatantly attacked by Garin, whom we're pretty certain is a wolf, is less suspicious than those he hasn't attacked. Who hasn't Garin drawn attention to?

I'm going to go back through and see what I can gather.

[Garin]

Roa: Garin, it seems fairly obvious that you'll be lynched by the end of this day, but your defense is disjointed and messy. You seem to not be paying very close attention, and were I in your position, I would on this thread like white on rice. Just to check, is something distracting you today?
Yes I am ill and at work and they recognize the Barrow Downs Page at work so my time for review is limited. I hope you do lynch me so you can find the wolf among my detractors.
However, I will never vote for myself.
I have retracted the Kath vote and voted for Aber. No one has given me a good enough reason for Wayne and Gandalf.

[Kath]

I have retracted the Kath vote and voted for Aber.
Yeah but you still haven't explained why you've suddenly stopped going after me. I mean, Abercrombie even gave you a full list of things I've said that could be taken wolvishly. What's up with that?

[Garin]

Roa: I should think that anyone blatantly attacked by Garin, whom we're pretty certain is a wolf,
Again, only wolves are truly certain at this point, the others can only guess. The seer is gone.

[Kath]

Yes Garin, which is presumably why she said pretty certain. Any chance I'm going to get an answer to that question tonight?

[Garin]

Yeah but you still haven't explained why you've suddenly stopped going after me. I mean, Abercrombie even gave you a full list of things I've said that could be taken wolvishly. What's up with that?
I am an innocent yet my personality will always be wolfish. It is an easy vote for a wolf to make without being suspected. I think either Ang or Aber or wolves, or even Roan, or Wayne or Kath...
See, it would be idiotic to say for sure who is a wolf but some have dared to do so.

[Roa_Aoife]

Here's an interesting pattern I found- Wayne posted a list of people he was suspicious of after Thin was lynched. Garin is the lowest name before his own. Also, Garin has on more than one ocassion demanded explanation for any votes for Wayne.

Now, when we're closely viewing Garin, Wayne is nowhere to be found, and Garin is suddenly distancing himself. I may be reading too much into it, but I see a definite connection between the two.

Roa: I should think that anyone blatantly attacked by Garin, whom we're pretty certain is a wolf,


Again, only wolves are truly certain at this point, the others can only guess. The seer is gone.

Fine, who is alledgedly a wolf....

Better?

[Garin]

Better?
Yes, better but it will be used against you when I am lynched.

[Kath]

I am an innocent yet my personality will always be wolfish. It is an easy vote for a wolf to make without being suspected. I think either Ang or Aber or wolves, or even Roan, or Wayne or Kath...
See, it would be idiotic to say for sure who is a wolf but some have dared to do so.
But Garin you aren't giving us reasons why! If you would just tell us the reasoning behind these thoughts then maybe we would see the same things you do. The way you're reacting right now is the same as the way Shelob reacted last night, and look what happened to her! You're against suicide, ok, we got that, but the way you're behaving is guaranteed to get you killed!

Please, just give us some reasons!

[Garin]

I am going on instinct, human instinct. Aber has cast votes against me and I know I am innocent. I suspect her due to her voting record and her knowingly targeting an innocent villager. Shelob has taught us a lesson that I have a problem learning. Perhaps, my death will bring us closer to the true wolves. Ang still disturbs me but must be a most masterful wolf if he is one.

[Kath]

I suspect her due to her voting record and her knowingly targeting an innocent villager.
Knowingly targeting an innocent villager? Knowingly? Which innocent would this be Garin, how would she know unless she were a wolf, which as you say yourself she cannot be certain of. And anyway, she isn't the only one. Many others, including you yourself, did so. It was widely believed yesterday that Shelob was guilty, because of the way she was acting. Get yourself out of this snit Garin, or it looks like you'll find yourself going the same way.

[Garin]

That innocent villager happens to be me not Shelob.
Edit: Thus is the reason I am voting for her.

[Kath]

Then Garin, it is unknowingly.

++GARIN

I have to go, and nothing you have said has eased my suspicion of you. I just hope you don't turn out to be another Shelob.

[Valesse]

No one has given me a good enough reason for Wayne and Gandalf.
Wayne was with me all night practicing while I was dreaming of Gandalf... but lets just keep that between you, me, and the fly on the wall. Thank goodness Mejis doesn't have a town gossip! :D

Actually their behavior is funny. By voting for each other they are partial and not attractive to our focus... after all... they aren't voting for -us-, and thats when everyone really gets nervous, isn't it? It could easily be a distractionary tactic unlike one I have see before or perhaps many of us... but we noticed it.

If we're ever able to catch either online a good questioning is in order, I'd say.

Other than that... who are we to defend them? We don't know who they truely are... and why do we have to tell you, Garin? Do you know something about one of them and are jealously seething over his seeming invisiblity... Or are you quizzing us? More likely just trying to divert our attention.

[Garin]

I just hope you don't turn out to be another Shelob.
I will be. Sorry fellow ordinaries.
By 'knowingly' it would mean to say that I believe Abercrombie to be a wolf. Hence, my vote for her.

[Valesse]

By 'knowingly' it would mean to say that I believe Abercrombie to be a wolf. Hence, my vote for her.
I may be half starved and have no backbone, but I'm not dumb. Tar was our seer, and that means none of us can know who the others are for sure UNLESS they are also wolf.

I could suspect Abers if I knew how long (or how short) your experiances are with this game, but since I am without this knowledge I can only vex myself and practice a series of one handed cartwheels on a balance beam until my brain starts to bleed.

Other than that I really don't know who to vote for tomorrow. When it comes (assuming that I wake) I'll have to reread the entire thread. ... Up-side-down... with a china cup on my head. Anyway, since votes are already being cast I'll just go ahead and do it since the accussed seems too tired to think up something forthcoming.

++ Garin

[Roa_Aoife]

I'd like to remind everyone that we have the full 24 hours, so until 1:30 EST tomorrow afternoon, the floor is open. I encourage people to take the full time and not make hasty votes. Even though I believe Garin to be a wolf, I also want to allow him the full time to defend himself. He maybe in better form if he gets some sleep, and I think it only fair to allow him the opportunity.

I will hold my vote as long as possible. I may end up having to vote a few hours before the end, because of time contraints, but I will not vote till then. I urge everyone to be a bit more patient.

[Garin]

the accused seems too tired to think up something forthcoming.
definitely, I understand Shelob's attitude now.
Fare thee well.
Wolves 4 Villagers 0

[Garin]

so until 1:30 EST tomorrow afternoon,
I thought it was 10:30 EST tonight.

[Roa_Aoife]

No, because the day started late, the great and powerful MOD GODS granted us a full 24 hours. ((See the other thread))