WWJ IV: Let the insanity ensue

[Elu Ancalime]

Well...I guess that was no surprise. Unfortunatly, I think Nogrod almost had me convinced even before he revealed himself...that was a tough sacrifice, but he felt it was needed. This game should be dedicated to him....Now there are no more gifted.

Ok people, we have a whole day: Lets try and find some connections with Roa and others, and see of there is any trend:

1. Examine any trends between Roa and the villagers killed

2. Examine Roa's votes

3. Examine those who have voted for Roa

3. Examine villager relation to Roa during DAY

5. Examine all of the above again but with Eonwe, since we know hes clean

Im very excited...a wolf has been caught, and with Eonwe's innocence proven, we can surley now find another wolf Im still distressed about the loss of our seer.
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[Elu Ancalime]

Im a little interested in Gandalf too, Valier....he cant be ignored any longer, now...every villager is crucial. I have computer problems too, but...wouldnt it be funny (a little humourus from a mod's standpoint) if a wolf just killed and didnt disscuss, but got away with it? That's out there, but stil....we cant let anything go any further.

So heres the situation:

Valier-present today

Firefoot-also present today

Gandalf-still absent, has not voted once

Jenny-still gone; quote 'overzelous' first day, spoke of her absence after

Mithalwen-has not posted yet today; seemed a little taken aback from Nogrod

Right now everyone seems innocent on the surface, and I still have faith in what Firefoot says. My heart tells me she is pure.


Nogrod?s body was hung in a most unpleasant manner from the roof of his little house. And on a spike on the front lawn was Nogrod?s head. His face was bruised and one eye was missing. The wolves had decided to have a little fun before seperating his head from the rest of his body.

I thought about this for a moment, then couldnt eat the rest of my pasta.

Also:Sometimes a wolf's best strategy is to have no connection to at least one of their fellow wolves.

Im not saying your wrong Valier, in essence, I agree with you to a point. What you said can be right, but in this game physcology can reverse itself many more times than once. Just to reinterate: Now we must be extra careful, because, using this as an example, What if Mith was lynched, but she was an ordo, and the reason behind your reasoning is because she never said enough for Roa to have a relation with anyway!

Okay, if you understood what Im trying to say, Im not defending Mith or Attcking her, im only using the example Valier said.

So, dont attck me for trying to be cautious. :p

X post with Valier
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[Valier]

I've looked at the voting patterns and I can turn up nothing! Roa voted for Wilwarin our hunter the first day the next two days she voted for me.

Mith voted for me the first day then for Sleepy day two I can not see at the moment who she voted for yesterday... did she vote?

Firefoot voted gandalf then Nogrod then Roa.

Eonwe voted Jenny day one, no vote on day two, then Roa day three

Elu you didn't vote day one day two voted for Jenny. then votes for Roa day three

then there's me I voted Elu day one, Mith day two and Roa day three

I will not do Gandalf, or Jenny (she voted Wilwarin day one) due to lack OF votes.
I can't get much from this! Anyone else see any patterns?

[Elu Ancalime]

I see a pattern with Valier-->You seem to have something wrong every post :p :p

You were correct in that I did not vote day one (Chem studies but mainly comp trouble, but w/e)

However day two, I voted for Jenny.
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[Valier]

I also find it strange I guess that Mith was arguing with Nogrod alot yesterday then when he comes out as the seer, she doesn't vote. Did she think her vote wouldn't matter or was she trying to "say something"..... Sorry but I just want to get some thoughts and plans flowing..

[Elu Ancalime]

Well, that makes some sense.

Sorry peeps, I gotta run for now. Maybe be back in less than half an hour.
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[Firefoot]

Unless Gandalf chooses to show up, we really can't do anything about him. Lynching him for silence could be disastrous, but so could not lynching him. There's nothing we can do there, so the only logical thing I can see doing is leaving him out of the calculations (still). That still means that one werewolf must be in the remaining suspects, and it narrows our list down, in however flawed a manner.

Okay, I'm dredging up bits and pieces that may or may not go together when I'm done - we'll see.Mithalwen (Day 3)
but can we really just ignore Eonwe and Gandalf? Based on this, I think that if Mithalwen is a wolf, Gandalf is probably innocent (we already know Eonwe is, of course). Why would a wolf bring up her fellow wolf while he's being ignored? However, if Mithalwen is innocent, this tells us nothing. The same might possibly be said of Elu as he later quoted this statement and emphatically agreed.


Roa (Day 1)
Jenny's drawn quite a bit of attention. She's agressive in her accusations, and has hopped around quite a bit, taking one lead, then changing to another. That's very wolvish, but could also signify someone new to this whole game.
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Gandalf, well, this is his typicial behavior. As I understand it, he has limited access.
[Followed by Wilwa vote] Could be nothing, but this is what I was talking about with reserved suspicions.Roa (Day 3)
As for my own suspicions, I didn't want to pursue it yesterday in the interest of fairness, but I don't trust Elu. He hasn't been helpful at all, he didn't vote Day 1, he attacked Valier quite viciously on Day 2, and provided little reason for his attack except frothiness. He never came up with anything new. And his vote for Jenny yesterday was more than questionable. Especially since after he voted for her, he said he wouldn't accuse her out right. I understand the time contraints, really I do, but after the attack of Valier, to change his mind so quickly, it does draw attention. Again, not sure what to make of this. Could be trying to cast suspicion on an innocent, could be trying to hide wolvish associations. She never mentions him again, but she had noted him as suspicious on the Day before for voting for Jenny accompanied by the comment that he wouldn't actually accuse him outright. Perhaps Elu can be tentatively cleared?Valier (Day 2)
Roa: She agree's I've been frothy and wants to know why I post that way.Sorry it was the first day!! It's the comments like these between Valier and Roa that seem almost too honest to be wolvishly contrived. Additionally, Roa seems to have used Valier as her scapegoat quite a bit. I'm starting to think that Valier may be innocent.

Sorry, have to go, these are sort of half-thought-out ideas. More musings later.

[Elu Ancalime]

Roa said I 'attacked' Valier only because of 'Frothyness', but wasnt that a quote from Roa herself? I will admit, It was really more of a grudge....musicians take things quite personally, if you've ever seen two marching bands face off in a mall. :p

Based on the fact that Roa was a wolf, I think part of the finger pointing towards villagers(not just me) was so she could always have a public suspicion.

voting for Jenny accompanied by the comment that he wouldn't actually accuse him outright.

I thought I explained that on the last page.

scapegoat

Ah, thats the word I was trying to think up.....
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[Firefoot]

I thought I explained that on the last page. You probably did. I wasn't really talking about you here, more about Roa's relationship with you, if that makes sense.

Just to let everyone know, I will be back to voting pretty early again. Right now it looks as if my vote may be going to Jenny because she seems to have the most wolf-like relationship with Roa. I don't really like that, since she hasn't been around, but Valier's and Elu's relationships with her seem too tenuous of a proposition, and I'm still relatively trusting of Mithalwen. I just don't know what to say about Gandalf, though if the rest of that holds true, he may actually be the third wolf. I just don't know. The problem is simply lack of posting and ergo lack of evidence.

I'd like to urge you all to post between now and about 10 hours from now, but based on experience it doesn't seem likely to happen. I feel like I'm back to exactly where I was two Days ago, and it's not a very nice feeling. :(

[Elu Ancalime]

You probably did. I wasn't really talking about you here, more about Roa's relationship with you, if that makes sense.

Ok, I just...you know, wanted to be clear and all that.

Ugh. I have to vote very soon, because school starts again tomorrow, and I need to go in early. And I dont want to vote for somebody unless I feel strongly about it. Jenny has drawn my attention as well, with Roa anyway, and although Mith made that weird no-voting for Roa thing yesterday, that leaves me interested. However, that is the only sign that sticks out; I will probably vote for either of them.
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[Elu Ancalime]

ARRRGH

I have to vote now.

++Jenny
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[Eonwe]

Well, I'm certainly gald Nogrod was killed last night. Puts us on firm ground, you might say, meaning no disrespect to the deseased, I'm sure. In fact, I propose a minute of silence for our fallen comrade, who so courageously but up his life for the greater good of our village.

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Ok then, moving right along. First off, I wish someone else was proven innocent. It doesn't really help me to be proven innocent, now does it? ;)

Firefoot is acting very nice. So I'm a bit suspicous of her. ( ;) I'm kidding. She is looking just fine).

Jenny is still suspicious in my mind. But as she has yet to make an appearance, I can't really hold anything over her head, much as I would like to.

Valier is looking a bit suspicious. I really don't like her list in post #149 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=447191&postcount=149). There are entirely too many innocent people, and the guilty ones don't look so good, considering one was a wolf and the other is me, proven innocent. It just feals like, as she knew everyone's innocence, she couldn't think up anything against anyone and lumped em all into her innocnet side. Though nailing the Roa could be entirely honest. Another thing to consider is Roa's vote in post #172.

Gandalf_the_white hasn't shown up very much. I don't know what to make of this. He could have legitemate RL reasons, or he could be faking to keep his nose lclean.

Other than that, I can't really say...I need to do some research. Missing the weekend put me behind a bit, I'm afraid.

[Firefoot]

Oh, yeah, I was forgetting to comment on Mith's strange no-vote thing. She was around right up until Nogrod declared himself to be the seer, and then strangely dropped off, not voting or anything, without warning. This makes no sense to me and I definitely want to hear Mith's explanation for it. It's so obvious that it makes you think why on earth would anyone wolf or not do that? But if she is a wolf, she just made a huge faux pas... It rockets her up in suspicion value.

Cross-posting with Eonwe - nice to see you around...

[Gandalf_the _white]

sorry i ain't been round much i'm not gonna be able to get on now for ages sorry so
++Gandalf

[Valier]

Well this really sucks! Two votes and both of them for people I barely suspect. I still think if we vote for one of the two proposed (Jenny and Gandalf) we will be killing ANOTHER Ordo! We can not afford to do this! I will be looking at Mithalwen or Firefoot. I hope we get some more dialogue before any more votes come in. I am mostly swaying for Mith.. I would like to her what she has to say about her no vote.

[Firefoot]

I hate to have to vote so early, but...

++Jenny

I don't really want to do this, but no one else has really shown up and posted. With Gandalf's self-vote, I think we should probably stay away from him.

[Mithalwen]

I am sorry I have just missed you Firefoot, but thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt for now.

As you must have noticed I was rather annoyed with Nogrod in my last post. The fact is I was so annoyed that I posted and logged off in a fit of pique.

Please bear in mind that I had been on a temperamental computer in a draughty cyber-cafe for 3-4 hours AND it was past the time I expected for the day to be finished. I am in the UK and so it was gone 9pm - not late if you are safe at home but I was in not the nicest part of town with my car a dark walk away on a foul night so I really was keen to be home.

I didn't know Nogrod was the seer - for some reason I had the idea that Firefoot and Folwren were the remaining gifted after Wilwa was lynched and when Folwren was shown to be the ranger - it encouraged me to think I was right on both. Though when I spared her life, the thought had vaguely occured that the reason Valier was playing below the level I expected of her might that she was trying not to be conspicuous for a GOOD reason......

So bear in mind that it didn't occur to me thatthat Nogrod was the seer and with really bad timing I left before he fessed up. To me he was a bully and a hypocrite - Roa's guilt was obvious to him BECAUSE he had proof - it was a lot less obvious if you hadn't..... sometimes in these games people are jumpy becasu ethey are innocents under attack :rolleyes:

Nogrod seemed determined to stop me from considering all possibilities and since he had been slightly underhand around Sleepy's death, waiting to the limit so I would vote first and then deleting a post, I was not going to trust him automatically when he started on his "Roa's is guilty" thing but not backing it up with a vote. He really seemed suspicious to me. His hypocrisy was the final straw... and since suddenly non-participation had become the way to put yourself above suspicion according to Mr High and Mighty shouty person - I just thought ...well something that wouldn't pass the language filter...

Childish maybe but I thought someone else could have the tension this time- I had had enough with Sleepy. I had had enough.....

[JennyHallu]

Wait a second...just getting here (it took a while to read through the last few days) and two votes for me because a Wolf said she suspected me? Could someone explain more clearly my "wolvish" relationship? Then perhaps I can defend myself more effectively. It seems to me that Roa played us very skillfully, and only Nogrod's vision allowed us to see her guilt. Any clues to the identity of her fellow wolves are likely to be very subtle.

Thank you to those who defended me during my absence. I am sorry and proud for the sacrifice of Nogrod...Our seer has done very well by us.

At this point, and without much connection to the debates over the past few days, I feel that my suspicion leans more to:
1) Valier -- Her posts have seemed careless and of limited use. Twice she has summed up the voting record, only to recant some incorrect detail shortly afterward. I am not sure if this is a wolvish impulse or not, but there is little to go on. However, I would point out that we should check the details of Valier's claims in her arguments toDay. Even if it is carelessness causing her errors, we do not wish to make a decision based on wrong information.

2) Gandalf -- His silence over the last several days, with no explanation other than Roa's defense, is certainly suspicious. His self-vote, however is just confusing. If he is a villager, what good could he possibly do by voting for himself.

[JennyHallu]

Sorry, I know this is a double post, but I just re-read what Gandalf said when he voted and I am no longer particularly suspicious of him. Having so much to catch up on has left me a little careless in my reading.

And a quick thought...Valier's actions have certainly been suspicious, but why, Eonwe, should her list of probable guilty parties be suspicious itself in the fact that it includes you? It also includes Roa, who was a wolf.

[Valier]

I would like to say sorry for all the mistakes I made yesterday, it was late and I was tired and was up late waiting for more people to post. Yes earlier on I did think Roa and Eonwe COULD be guilty but, I was wrong on one..that sometimes happens. I really just don't want the village to vote for people who aren't here! My suspect list has narrowed significantly.

Nice to see you here Jenny! but other's would like to see you lynched. I do not think this is a good idea today. I would rather try for the more "loud" lead wolf today and leave the squabbling over the last wolf for the next day.

Thank you for the explanation Mith on your absence it is sound.But I still suspect Firefoot some what and still you Mith for your outbursts also I think Elu has been overly weird in his last posts. He says he will either vote for Mith or Jenny, then will no explination votes for the easy vote for Jenny. I would like to hear more from the four remaining voters today before I cast my vote.

[JennyHallu]

Thank you for the welcome back, Valier.

Frankly, I would like to hear more from anyone. Today is confusing: we have finally found a Wolf, but now we must find the clues to the next two. I'm going to go back to reading more carefully the posts from the last few days. I am aware that I am in danger, and I urge those who suspect me to think of exactly how little they have to go on. I have been absent for three days, and my early posting was excited and over-eager: I assure you I am innocent, and advise caution. I am a noob, yes, but an innocent one.

I will be back in a while and will try to give a better analysis. I must admit the wolves impress me with their cleverness--there is no obvious trail to follow.

[Mithalwen]

V quick cos still at work but does Gandalf mean he won't be back regardless?

It is something to consider.......

Should be back within the hour...

[Valier]

Yes Mith I do think Gandalf means not to come back! eeerrrrrrrr I 'm so confused! I ve read through Firefoots posts and they all make sense to me ...My suspision of her is weakening. Mith I know you defended your no-vote but your vote was still important.

Elu said something that caught my eye.Ugh. I have to vote very soon, because school starts again tomorrow, and I need to go in early. And I dont want to vote for somebody unless I feel strongly about it. Jenny has drawn my attention as well, with Roa anyway, and although Mith made that weird no-voting for Roa thing yesterday, that leaves me interested. However, that is the only sign that sticks out; I will probably vote for either of themHe says he doesn't want to vote for someone unless he feels strongly about them...then he just votes for Jenny..easy vote if you ask me! I think he may be protecting Mith, his fellow wolf and he votes for an Ordo? Who has not said much to defend herself. I could be grasping at straws...but I don't think if we kill Jenny it will be the right choice. Remember one of us innocents WILL be killed in the night!

Also I think just because Gandalf voted for himself, he is more than likely an Ordo, so I think we should leave him out of the equation for the time being.
XPOSTED with Mith about Gandalf.

[JennyHallu]

Actually, I retract my suspicion of Valier. I have been reading back through the posts and noticed that Roa voted for Valier on day 2. I am aware that this could be a wolf-on-wolf vote, but consider the heavy suspicion that had fallen on Valier at the end of Day 1. In such a light it becomes a vote that in retrospect seems to point to Roa as a wolf. A vote for someone who was already thought suspicious, but who Roa knew was innocent...very safe.

And Valier, do not be too hasty in your trust of Firefoot.

Mithalwen was the first to express suspicion of Firefoot on the first day. I jumped on that, but because of my aggressive play and silly career-based posting earlier, my analysis was discounted, as it should have been. I apologize to my fellow innocents (whether you believe I am or not) for general stupidity on my first day. On the second day, Firefoot agreed that her posts were contradictory, and told us all that was deliberate. She also told us there were no clues to be found in Thinlomian's posts, and that the wolves must have gone for someone so innocent that it could only confuse us. But read again her post 92: I've been looking over Thinlomien's posts, and I'm not getting a whole lot out of them. She mentioned Wilwa, Sleepy, and Valier as being rather suspicious, but she said herself it was mostly a gut feeling. No one really accused her either. I think that's probably why the wolves went after her: she was pretty innocent-seeming, rather useful to the village, and she doesn't leave a trail for us to follow. I'd say that makes a sensible kill.

We seem to have accepted this at face value, and didn't really go back and discuss Lommy's posts. But look at Lommy's post 52: Firefoot is a difficult case. I say, if she isn't killed by wolves soon, she's a wolf. (Wolves seem to prefer killing the villagers that have something to say or are making themselves important for the village.) And now the wolves won't probably kill her anyway, because it serves them well to have her there under my suspicion. And on the other hand, they might think that a reason to kill her. Oh no, I'm making this meaningless babbling.

If Firefoot was innocent, then why did she not mention Lommy suspected her? In fact she rather cleverly turned us away from taking a closer look at the little Lommy had the chance to tell us. Firefoot then voted for Nogrod, our seer, with very little to back up her suspicion.

I am aware that Firefoot is not here, and had I found this earlier I would have brought it up earlier. But those that are, I urge you to take a look back at Firefoot's posting. I think she is currently the top of my list of suspects.

[Mithalwen]

I do not want Jenny to die so I agree with you on that Valier - although I know your theory about me and Elu is wrong.

Elu voted for Jenny on day 2 so there seems to be some longstanding suspicion. Elu might also, like Firefoot, have decided to give me the benefit of the doubt, having gone before my explanation.

I don't think we can just forget about Gandalf - he said on day one that keeping quiet was a good ploy for a wolf. Then to vote for oneself is such an unwolvish thing to do do normally.... it could be a bluff.

Anyway the fact is he is a loose cannon and this is the last day we have any room for manoeuvre. We can be fairly sure that if we don't lynch Gandalf the wolves are likely to leave him be. He is either one of them or too useful. Besides Eonwe is a sitting duck because he was declared innocent by the seer. Gandalf is a loose cannon, can not be relied on to reappear and (for me at least offers the best chance of saving Jenny since he already has a vote.

I don't trust you Valier, any more than you trust me but I am more sure of Jenny's innocence than your guilt so that is my priority today.

[Valier]

Wow thanks Jenny! New eyes to a situation often bring up things that were missed. I see where you see that...them woves are crafty I say! Firefoot has made me suspisious for awhile but I was having a hard time putting my finger on why. Some thing has been screaming at me saying, "she wants you to trust her" Her posts almost sound too reasonable sometimes and in the back of my brain it's telling me She's posting what we want to hear. I think we should also look at Elu's posts. Hehas been trusting of Firefoot for awhile and then says he'll vote for either Mith or Jenny. But opt's for Jenny the "easy" vote keeping Mith who we all suspect around for another day. Ok slow down Valier.......... My mind is suddenly making connections...they could be wrong but, Heck what else do I go on?

[Eonwe]

Jenny, I'm glad to see you back.

Please do not vote for Gandalf. If he truely wouldn't be around, then we can shelve him for later. And since we can only lynch one person, it might as well be someone we can pin something on, right? And his self-vote is, I think, more in his favor than against.

Valier I find your list just a bit too sanitized. Roa was a wolf. I'm innocent, but I'd like to think I was holding my card close to my chest, so to speak. Mithalwen is a bit shadowy. There is just nothing to sink your teeth into, a problem I at least had when I was a wolf. As you know who is innocent and who is a wolf, you have a hard time accusing people, because there's nothing there. But like I said, you did nail a wolf, and I can't really hold that against you...

I'm gonna have to take a long hard look at Firefoot. I'd like her cleared.

Mithalwen is also on the radar.

I just got home from work, so it may take awhile for me to be able to bring anything of value to the table.

[Valier]

hhhhhmmmmm After some thought and reorganization of my brain :rolleyes: I think the case regarding Firefoot and Elu is much more probable than the one with Mith and Elu. I think Jenny's thoughts on the wolves turning us away from Lommy's posts is sound ... I did look away and that's what they wanted right? So it makes more sense to me finally! I will look at Firefoot today and Elu. My other posts before this were just theory's as well but this one makes the most sense to me.

[JennyHallu]

Please do not vote for Gandalf. If he truely wouldn't be around, then we can shelve him for later. And since we can only lynch one person, it might as well be someone we can pin something on, right? And his self-vote is, I think, more in his favor than against.

Excellent point.

We have a couple more hours until the deadline, (right, Kitanna?) and the voting stands thus:

Elu : Jenny
Gandalf : Gandalf
Firefoot : Jenny

Eonwe is the only known innocent. I tend to trust Mithalwen and Valier, and Gandalf is, as Eonwe put it very well, not worth voting for at this point. I think I will probably vote for Firefoot, as she seems much more dangerous than Elu, but I will not vote for at least another hour and a half. Perhaps I will post a clearer analysis later, it depends on how much time I have.

[Mithalwen]

Well I am back in my draughty cyber cafe, having finally escaped work.....

Hmm ... this may require a major rethink...... up to now I would have said I was most inclined to think Valier guilty, Jenny and Firefoot innocent, Elu ( like Eonwe until he was cleared) too insubstantial to pin down and Gandalf....well frankly I am fed up with Gandalf doing this again. Which is why I am still tempted to vote for him.

However, the fact that if Valier were a wolf she could have ensured her survival for another day already by voting for Jenny is a point in her favour. So I am prepared to look at her theory. Look again at Firefoot - since I was wrong about her being the seer I should look with fresh eyes and see if my initial doubts, were in fact, sound, and see if there is enough of Elu to draw conclusions on. It hadn't occured to look at Thinlomien's posts much again - I don't remember her being around much.. but here goes....

[Eonwe]

Mith, I know what you mean about Gandalf. But don't vote for him. Hopefully take care of himself (aka I'm gonna see if Kitanna will lynch him, if that is acceptable to everyone.) At least hold off on him for now.

[Valier]

Maybe if Kitanna would allow a double lynch tonight we could get rid of Gandalf and our lynchee. Would that be wise? That would let the wolves win if we choose wrong today, they would kill the third Ordo we have left then it would be down to two wolves and two villagers. But then again if we get a wolf today......aaaahhhh That's risky!:eek:

[Mithalwen]

I am not sure how that helps...? btw ..I am back on Day one and Thinlomiebn seems to suspect FIrefoot and Valier and Sleepy ..... not particularly strongly... and of course she was not gifted...

I will hold off if I can but .... I am not yet convinced... the first day has lots of suspicions of my believed innocents (Jenny and Firefoot) which is very disconcerting.. it is hard to think I might have been so wrong so long (again) ..and again I can't stay late

[Mithalwen]

Maybe if Kitanna would allow a double lynch tonight we could get rid of Gandalf and our lynchee. Would that be wise? That would let the wolves win if we choose wrong today, they would kill the third Ordo we have left then it would be down to two wolves and two villagers. But then again if we get a wolf today......aaaahhhh That's risky!:eek:


Remember Jenny has 2 votes already Valier... the maths don't work unless Gandalf is summarily executed....does it... ?

[JennyHallu]

Ok, fellow Villagers, we are coming down to the wire, and the majority of us have not yet voted. Here is the original list of the inhabitants of this village. I am placing the living in bold, known innocents are underlined, and the Wolvish one we have discovered I will italize.

The Players
1) Thinlómien ~ Penguin-fisher (Night 1)
2) JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
3) Eonwe ~ Hermit
4) Wilwarin ~ Mathematics professor (Day 1)
5) Sleepy Ranger ~ Messiah of Rock 'n' Roll (Day 2)
6) Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
7) Roa_Aoife ~ Local protestor/ lobbyist (Day 3)
8) Valier ~ Dance instructor
9) Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower (Night 3)
10) Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
11) Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
12) Folwren ~ Seamstress (Night 2)
13) Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

So...In descending order of suspiciousness (yes, this is a subjective list), here are our remaining Villagers.

JennyHallu and Eonwe: I know I am innocent, and hope you believe me. We all know Eonwe is innocent. 'Nuff said.

Valier: I believe that Roa's vote for her at the beginning of Day 2 declared her innocence for all to see. Mith believes her innocent for a different reason. We seem to be in agreement that while Valier has played carelessly, she is an ordinary villager, as confused as the rest of us.

Mithalwen: I honestly don't have any particular evidence to lay before you, but I have had a feeling from Mith's firsts posts that she was innocent. She has been honest, consistent, and helpful.

Gandalf: Probably innocent, but annoying. If he's innocent, we could use his help. I don't think we should get him lynched though. Dead weight or not, he's a brick in the rather low wall we have between ourselves and a Wolvish victory, especially since there are so few of us left.

Elu: I don't have any more reasoning than with Mith. I don't trust him. He has posted rarely, and voted with little explanation.

Firefoot: I think Firefoot is an excellent wolf. I think she has played us like a well-tuned piano in the hands of a skillful musician. She has baffled us, spun us around, and somehow almost completely escaped suspicion. I am almost sure that Firefoot is fuzzy.

Will wait to vote however, but that's the long and short of it right now, to my mind.

[JennyHallu]

Cross posted with Valier and Mith.

I understand that Thinlomian's mistrust was rather random, but why didn't Firefoot mention it? She mentioned all three other names...

And Firefoot admitted that her contradictory posts were deliberate. Why would a villager use deceitfulness, even to start discussion?

[Mithalwen]

I didn't quite say I thought Valier was innocent...but I am certainly less sure of her guilt.... her early posts are not improving on rereading though.... :D

[JennyHallu]

I am afraid of what happens if the Ordos split their vote. I am convinced that at least Firefoot is a very very tricksy wolf, and that Elu is likely the other. If I'm right, then we four (Valier, Eonwe, Mith, and myself) are all ordinary villagers, and need to stick together in order to keep from lynching one of ourselves.

[Valier]

I agree with you Jenny!

So the time draws awfully near....

[JennyHallu]

I say we should vote for Firefoot. Any takers?

[Valier]

I will take that Jenny be it wrong or not ...We will soon find out.

++ Firefoot

[Mithalwen]

I am sorry but Gandalf is still bugging me.... his self vote has removed him for all consideration but mine and Eonwe telling me to hold off....

[JennyHallu]

Well there is little time left. I hope that I am not wrong, and that I have been able to convince Mith and Eonwe enough that they shall vote with me.

On the plus side, if I'm right, Eonwe may survive another night. ;)

[JennyHallu]

Whoops...forgot to actually vote in that last post...

++FirePaw

If he's not going to be back, Mith, no point voting for him. Eonwe made good sense with that.

[Valier]

please villagers lets vote four strong!

[Mithalwen]

If Firefoot is a wolf why does she defend Roa?

[Eonwe]

I say we vote for Jenny. Any takers...?

What you just said has thrown me far out of your favor. I don't like how you picked up on Firefoot not mentioning Lommy's suspicion of her. I believe that was mentioned by someone else earier, if I'm not mistaken. Sometimes it is best not to react at all. I myself use that ploy allot. If you react, it is many time worse, because peole say "Oh, look how much he reacted, he's got to be a wolf!"

And the way Valier is behaving, I don't like at all. I would say you are working together, but it is a far to blatant manner, for this stage of the game. (Villagers are still ahead by a deasent, albiet, narrowing, margen.)

[Mithalwen]

Post 158 ......

Oh blimey I have to choose between the two I thought most likely innocent ...aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......

Where is Eonwe...I want to know about Gandalf....

[Eonwe]

I would need to vote, wouldn't I? :rolleyes:

++Jenny

If Firefoot gets lynched, you'd best lynch Jenny and Valier in quick sucsesion, Mith...

[JennyHallu]

In defending Roa, she attacked the seer, after he admitted his seerhood. Frankly I think that was a mistake on Firefoot's part.

[Eonwe]

Ok about Gandalf:

It looks to me like he's out of the running. Would a wolf do that? And if a wolf was out, would he vote for himself. He could use his damage in a much better way, it seems to me.

Look, lets all agree we should send him to the Void and see if Kitanna will do it for us. I think that is the best solution.

[JennyHallu]

It doesn't matter now, Mith. I am dead. No double lynches remember? And you are the only one who hasn't voted.

I am sorry, guys, but I am INNOCENT. Please take Firefoot out...she's manipulating you all!! Why am I the only one to see it???

[Mithalwen]

Seeing as it makes no odds ..... I will go with conscience

++ Gandalf

[Eonwe]

Not so Jenny: nobody said Nogrod is teh seer just cuz he said so. I myself had great doubts about Nogrod, especially when he named teh hunter (dead) and me as innocents. That was very worriesome. NOTE: see my first post today for referenses on my relief when he died. No offense intended to his great memory. :)

[Eonwe]

PS. Firefoot....my goodness, you best not be a wolf... :)

[Eonwe]

Good luck everyone...Bear yourselves well, and may we meet again in happier times...I'll hold them off as long as I can... :)

[JennyHallu]

Thanks for your support today, Valier.

If you're a wolf I'll eat my hat. Or better yet, I will make you eat it.

[Valier]

You have nothing to worry about from me Jenny!:)

[Kitanna]

Voting closed, expect Jenny's death soon.

[Kitanna]

After the success from yesterday, the villagers were confident they had bagged another wolf. JennyHallu was a wolf, no doubt about it.

“But,” Jenny protested as the others dragged her to the town center, “But what did I ever do to you? Eonwe, remember when I let you skip a few dollars on your taxes when you didn’t have the money? Or Valier, I helped you get that loan to start your dance school. I have been nothing, but nice to the people of this town!”

“Shut up, wolf!” Gandalf snapped.

Jenny was shaking with fear as she saw what was in store for her. The once peaceful villagers of Squaresville were going to burn her at the stake. The tax collector begged and pleaded. But it was all lost.

They tied her to the stake and Mithalwen brought out the torch. “Any last words, wolf?”

“You’ll all live to regret this!” Jenny snapped and the torch was thrown at her feet.

The fire consumed her. As her flesh burned it sent up the most horrendous smell anyone had ever imagined. But Jenny did not change; she just hung there screaming in agony. She was no wolf. The villagers watched, filled with regret, as Jenny died.

Eventually the fire burned out and Jenny’s ashes were blown by a strong southern wind, but that didn’t help the villagers. Time was running out for them.

LIVING
Eonwe ~ Hermit
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two
Sleepy Ranger (ordo) ~ Eaten by penguins on Day Two
Folwren (ranger) ~ Sewed shut and run through on Night Three
Roa_Aoife (werewolf) ~ Tortured Prometheus style on Day Three
Nogrod (seer) ~ Beheaded and made an example of on Night Four
JennyHallu (ordo) ~ Burned at the stake on Day Four

[Kitanna]

It was a night of confusion for all involved. The villagers assembled as always and found that the hermit, Eonwe was not amoung them. The few that remained headed toward Eonwe’s house on the outskirts of town.

Eonwe was nowhere to be found, but a feast had been laid out for them. A note on the table simply stated, “For my friends”. At first no one spoke, Elu Ancalime went to search the rest of the house while the other four eyed the feast.

“It sure smells good,” Valier stated.

Gandalf nodded and picked up a plate. He helped himself to a delicious looking piece of meat. The others each picked up a plate and watched nervously as Gandalf took a bite. “Well, it tastes fine.”

Elu burst into the room, “Don’t eat any more of that!”

“Why not?” Mithalwen inquired.

“Because that feast is Eonwe!”

All eyes turned to Gandalf who was turning a lovely shade of green. He quickly ran out and proceeded to vomit up the bits of Eonwe he had just ingested.

LIVING
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two
Sleepy Ranger (ordo) ~ Eaten by penguins on Day Two
Folwren (ranger) ~ Sewed shut and run through on Night Three
Roa_Aoife (werewolf) ~ Tortured Prometheus style on Day Three
Nogrod (seer) ~ Beheaded and made an example of on Night Four
JennyHallu (ordo) ~ Burned at the stake on Day Four
Eonwe (ordo) ~ Made into a feast on Night Five

[Valier]

Well I can't say that Eonwe's death came as a surprise. But his vote for Jenny, sealing her fate was. And Mith what was up with your vote for Gandalf? I know you have never let him "slide" but was it necessary for him to go yesterday. Jenny's theory's have been eye opening. I believe Firefoot to be a wolf. I am still slightly undecided as to who is the last one. I am leaning still towards Elu. Mith your vote baffled me. I would like to hear discussion from everyone today! We have little time left before they have slain us all! And I for one am not willing to let this happen! Wolves beware!

[Firefoot]

Well. I was wrong, then. Ouch. I dare say we're in trouble... one more mistake and the wolves win... and I seem to have dug myself a bit of a hole, somehow. Since I was not here to respond to those accusations against me yesterday, I will try to do so now.

I understand that Thinlomian's mistrust was rather random, but why didn't Firefoot mention it? She mentioned all three other names... This may have been an oversight. I was not ignoring it; I did mention her suspicion (I may have put it as confusion, since that seems to me more of what it is) in my analysis in post 80 (I think. It's at the bottom of the page - the first lengthy analysis that I did). I didn't do it on purpose - many of you probably won't believe that, though...And Firefoot admitted that her contradictory posts were deliberate. Why would a villager use deceitfulness, even to start discussion? Deceitfulness? I do not think I was being deceitful. I was putting options out there to discuss. Here are the posts in question:Strategies can be discussed, of course, but it seems to me that there really aren't any good strategies for catching wolves, not this early on. The best way seems to be for everyone to speak up frequently, contribute thoughts, and then everyone vote for the one who seems most wolvish to them, leaving us with a clean voting record for future reference. Hardly a high-tech plan, but it seems to be the one that would work the best. Other people may propose them, of course, and even if they are not used, they will at least give us something to talk about on this first day when evidence seems so slim. This is my "this is what I think should be done" post. A day already fated to be rather unproductive is growing more and more so by everyone's silence... I sure hope posting does pick up here soon or when I vote in the morning it may just be for someone who hasn't posted because at this rate it's going to have to be random anyway because no one really seems to be posting.

And if that's going to be the way it is, voting will undoubtedly be all spread out and of little use anyway. :( I'd like to suggest limiting the voting in some way, except that seems likely to narrow our chances of bagging a wolf. But... what if we were to just pick four random people off the list and say "vote for one of them" - just to narrow our results?

If nothing else, I'd like to generate a bit of discussion here, see where it leads. Thoughts? Note the change in tone: "what if we did this?" I was not trying to imply that I thought this was the way we should go. I was getting pretty desperate and wanted to try and put some material out there to discuss. Simply having everyone vote for the last contributor would not be the best plan, I do not think. For one thing, it creates an automatic bandwagon and Day 2 becomes almost as useless as Day 1, because if s/he is innocent, both wolves and innocents will have voted for him/her and there will be no discrimination. The wolves can hide easily in this scenario. The same works if s/he is a wolf. I would much rather see spread out votes than everyone voting for the same person. Additionally, some people will have to vote much earlier than others, so the last person who contributes may not have contributed by the time the first person votes. You'll note that I have gone back to my original strategy.

I've already explained this, though.In defending Roa, she attacked the seer, after he admitted his seerhood. Frankly I think that was a mistake on Firefoot's part. No, I didn't. Go look: bottom of page 6-top of page 7.

I would ask you all that when you make accusations against people you use quotes from their posts to back up what you're saying. This has happened a lot this game, where people say things even though they're not actually correct. Jenny's suspicion of me seems to have been primarily knee-jerk. She only had two real pieces of evidence against me, and one of those I have already explained.

Moving on.

Yesterday's voting:

Jenny – 3 (Elu 1, Firefoot 3, Eonwe 6)
Gandalf – 2 (Gandalf 2, Mithalwen 7)
Firefoot – 2 (Valier 4, Jenny 5)

Valier is thoroughly confusing me. I had thought her innocent because of her continued tiff with Roa, but now I'm wondering if that might not be so. This flip-flop confuses me a little:I ve read through Firefoots posts and they all make sense to me ...My suspision of her is weakening. ...about half an hour later, after Jenny posted her suspicions of me...them woves are crafty I say! Firefoot has made me suspisious for awhile but I was having a hard time putting my finger on why. Some thing has been screaming at me saying, "she wants you to trust her" Her posts almost sound too reasonable sometimes and in the back of my brain it's telling me She's posting what we want to hear. Right...

Mithalwen I would like to believe is innocent, but I'm still wavering. I'm willing to trust her explanation of why she did not vote, and it seems true enough to form. Also, if she was a wolf, her no-vote would be even more strange than it already seems - the vote was looking to be close, and one of the candidates was a wolf - would not a fellow wolf be much more concerned over the outcome of the vote? I'm not sure about her vote for Gandalf, though at that point the vote was sealed anyway. As an innocent she may have just been going the safest way for the one she thought most guilty-seeming, but as a wolf she may have recognized that both Jenny and I were innocent and chose not to vote for either of us. (I know, I know, you don't have any proof except my word that I'm innocent.) Over all, I'm still thinking that Mith is probably innocent.

Gandalf I am just not sure about. I think my mistake in considering him is that I have assumed that most people who sign up actually care about this game. I have assumed that he may be innocent because a wolf would care more about the vote, that it would matter more as they would want to manipulate it. I don't think that he does care. Which doesn't tell us anything more except that he might be either innocent or wolf but we have no way of telling. Since we do have two wolves left, I do not think that lynching him is our best bet. It is a fifty-fifty chance at best.

Elu, unfortunately like me, had to vote early yesterday, so not as much can be gleaned from his vote as some of the others. With the situation where it is, he is rather in the middle of the sea-saw - I'd like to say he is innocent but there just aren't enough people left for me to clear him.

So in order of suspicion:
Valier
Gandalf??
Elu
Mithalwen

[Firefoot]

Did I scare you all away? Come on, people... if people are going to accuse me, I'd like to actually have time to respond, but at this rate I'll vote and leave and then you all are going to come on and start voting for me.

If I sound frustrated, that's because I am. This is going to be our last chance to catch a wolf, and I'm probably going to have to vote before most of you say a thing. I'm getting tired of this whole quiet routine.

Okay, maybe that's kind of harsh, I know the rest of you have time constraints as well. I'm just frustrated.

[Elu Ancalime]

Well I finally got to a comp....Eonwe huh? Well, Nogrod warned him i guess.....grr. No really Arghh x 10 to da 4th. Gone again, probably wont be back until Chem is over, which is late tomorrow.

So anyway, besides the usual, I took Eonwe's comment about Valier. Eonwe wasnt gifted, but the fact he was proven innocent stands clearer in my mind. But mainly what Firefoot said about Roa voting for Valier on the 2nd day; when its early, a first vote dosnt matter as much if its single, so dont count on it. I don tknow how much will come out of Mith right now(different timezone based on gameplay i guess)And I think Valiers around.

Well, I probably will only be able to be on for little more than half an hour...
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[Mithalwen]

OK I post when I can - I am ont eh other side of the world (I think) and have a job...

As for my vote.. you know youwere choosing between my least suspected...my own choice was to get rid of the uncertainty of Gandalf..and we could have eben no worse of.... Eonwe just got in before me... when I saw it didn't matter.. I went with my own choice not a tag-on......

[Firefoot]

++Valier

As I said I would...

[Mithalwen]

I was not convinced of your guilt last night Firefoot and I am not convinced now. I think your defence of Roa even when you suspected Nogrod was the seer was too rash for a fellow wolf to chance.

I have thought Valier has underplayed all along and if she was not gifted that was wolfish. Her defence of Jenny last night started to allay doubts but I think one of you and Gandalf are likely wolves.

So I have to choose between you and Valier and I choose

++Valier

[Valier]

Well since you think I am a wolf and there are two votes for me that leaves who Gandalf (unlikly to appear) and Elu who also thinks I'm the wolf. Well I will take this as my deathday then! since I am unable to defend myself against you clever wolves I bid you adou! I only wanted the best for our village!

But I must say to you all that I would rather die by my own hands then by them sneaky, hairy wolfie ones! So long village! May all your bodies rot in the sun, while the scavengers pick your bones dry!!!!!!

++Valier

Goodbye sweet world!!!! Oh yeah....., you shall all rue this day!!

[Mithalwen]

Well since you think I am a wolf and there are two votes for me that leaves who Gandalf (unlikly to appear) and Elu who also thinks I'm the wolf. Well I will take this as my deathday then! since I am unable to defend myself against you clever wolves I bid you adou! I only wanted the best for our village!

But I must say to you all that I would rather die by my own hands then by them sneaky, hairy wolfie ones! So long village! May all your bodies rot in the sun, while the scavengers pick your bones dry!!!!!!

++Valier

Goodbye sweet world!!!! Oh yeah....., you shall all rue this day!!

Maybe not ALL :D

[Elu Ancalime]

Well i finally was able to get to a comp, but it looks like there is already a landslide. ++Valier
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[Kitanna]

“You shall all rue this day!” Valier screamed as she realized they were coming for her. “This is the last mistake you fools are going to make!”

“Shut up wolf!” Eluyelled back.

Firefoot and Mithalwen dragged the fighting Valier to the gallows. Valier fought the whole way there, kicking and screaming.

“You have the wrong villager! You’re dooming our town!”

At the gallows, Gandalf put the rope around her neck. “You will dance no more.” She was set up on a barrel and the remaining villagers booed her.

“Fools!” Valier screamed as Elu kicked the barrel out from underneath her. There was a quick drop and the distinct cracking of Valier’s neck, but she did not change.

Two villagers cried and two laughed. Firefoot and Gandalf realized their folly and clung to each other as Elu and Mithalwen closed in on the final two innocent villagers.

GAME OVER!
Werewolves win!

LIVING
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two
Sleepy Ranger (ordo) ~ Eaten by penguins on Day Two
Folwren (ranger) ~ Sewed shut and run through on Night Three
Roa_Aoife (werewolf) ~ Tortured Prometheus style on Day Three
Nogrod (seer) ~ Beheaded and made an example of on Night Four
JennyHallu (ordo) ~ Burned at the stake on Day Four
Eonwe (ordo) ~ Made into a feast on Night Five
Valier (ordo) ~ Hung on Day Five

[JennyHallu]

To Firefoot: My most deep apologies. I thought you were a wolf.

As for Mithalwen: AGH!!!!!!!

I fear we must pelt her with all the baked goods we can find! Scones! Muffins! Biscuits! Cookies!

Good game, all.

[Folwren]

How sad. I'm depressed, coming back and seeing the village depleated and destroyed. We did miserable, fellow villagers. . .and I only say it because we lost so miserable. I didn't read much after I died, I'm afraid.

Wolves, clearly you played well. You might not've done so grand if you hadn't struck me down so soon, though! :mad: ;)

This will be my last game until I get better internet access. So, although I died early, I'm glad I played. Cheers to everyone.

-- Folwren, your friendly seemstress. . .a most unexpected ranger. :rolleyes:

[Elu Ancalime]

Hehehe....yes, that is right, Mithalwen and Elu Ancalime were comrades of Roa! I must say though, the villagers nearly got us a few times.
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[Valier]

That is the longest I have ever survived!! I wish us Ordo's could have won though!!

I must be too suspicious!! not one of the Ordo's lynched had my vote. I only voted for Roa's death. Noone went with me at all in this game..it was frustrating.Expecially when the only known innocent (Eonwe) thinks your a wolf too!:D

Good game to all who participated!!!;)

[JennyHallu]

Expecially when the only known innocent (Eonwe) thinks your a wolf too!


No kidding. Next time I am definitely going to try and be less suspicious. Take that sentence however you want to, less suspicious is the way for me!

[Roa_Aoife]

I tell you, reading up to my death was fairly amusing. I had figured on Nogrod being the seer (no one is ever that certain of someone else with out being the seer or a wolf) but I was amused when no one was following him except Valier. And my fellow wolf Elu, of course.;) When I saw that Nogrod had revealed himeslf, there was some colorful language spewed at the screen. I was certain after my death though that Mith and Elu would survive. I can't tell you how much I laughed reading Day 4.

[JennyHallu]

I figured once I realized who was REALLY a wolf that all three of you must be laughing your little wolvish tails off. I was sooooo off-base, too loud, and I need to learn to really listen when others tell me so. Oh well, I think I really learned a lot for a first game.

[Nogrod]

Well. my computer "ate" my elaborate discussion of you all. ;) Now the second time, I'll have to be briefer....

As I PM'd with Folwren - as we both were dead - I suspected Mith and Elu indeed! So sad I had to be the seer with no experience...

Just a few comments on everyone...

Jenny: You were overtly jumpy with the beginning, but then clearly found out the way the game is played. Good performance! Sorry to see you nailed without a reason.

Gandalf: It's nice to come to a game, but if you really have no internet-access or are otherwise not so interested in playing, keep out then! You were not helping the least!

Firefoot: I'm so sorry to have mistrusted you! One day forwards, and we could have made the difference!

Folwren: You were playing the experienced one - determined to be killed quite early on. I am so sorry, you were killed the night I learned your occupation...

Thinlómien: Didn't get to start anyways... Good comments, but just from the first day: no help to anyone: not your fault!

Eonwe: Good play! and sorry to have banwagoned you with the suspects of mine! I dared not to clean your reputation earlier because of my own status being at stake.

Valier: You played ok., but as an innocent, I waited for a bigger envolvement! You should have speaked out, and not just accept the accusations!

Sleepy Ranger; You surely could have contributed more substantially, but I do understand the (RL) hindrances'...

Roa: Great play! Without my knowledge, I would never have suspected you! Really a good game: alongside you, I felt myself a total newbie...

Mith: the same goes: well played, especially that night, we were deciding together, who to lynch! I really felt affinity to you then! Even though, I felt to kill you, with my vote then and there. Well I should have done that... :)

Elu: You really didn't come in to the game, but only after the major players were off. Not a good performance by the gaming standards!

[JennyHallu]

Oh I don't know...everyone was useful except for Gandalf, and he couldn't help that. And Elu was pretty quiet about things, but he was also a Wolf who survived to the end...can't fault him for that. Although why I got nailed before him...Maybe if Valier and I had gone for him instead of (foolishly) for Firefoot we would have been ok. I think Eonwe would have been much more likely to buy that.

[Eonwe]

Great game everyone! Good job to you, Mith and Elu! Elu, I never even really though about you too much. You're a very insidious wolf. Mith, I couldn't determine if you or Firefoot was a wolf. To be honest, after I died, I though Firefoot would end up being a wolf.

Jenny, I'm most sorry to have had a death in you hand. And Valier, I also completely misjudged. When you both started working to closely together, I thought for sure that you both were wolves.

Nogrod, great seering job.

Kitanna, great moding job.

Yeah, I prolly would have been more up for lynching Elu, but that is hindsight...

I really wish I hadn't missed the weekend, I kind of lost alot of ground...oh well.

Again, great game everyone!

[Firefoot]

Nogrod stated my thoughts pretty well.Firefoot: I'm so sorry to have mistrusted you! One day forwards, and we could have made the difference! No kidding. You played really well too.

Looking back at all this, the wolves really did escape a lot of the suspicions. They just sort of stepped aside and let us all kill each other off. And of course we fell for it.

I think the hats off of this game has to go to Roa. The seer dream was really unfortunate, but barring that, I would say that she played a really great game. She was able to be vocal and really contribute while still deflecting most people's suspicions. Kudos to you, Roa!

[Nogrod]

Nogrod stated my thoughts pretty well. No kidding. You played really well too.

Looking back at all this, the wolves really did escape a lot of the suspicions. They just sort of stepped aside and let us all kill each other off. And of course we fell for it.

I think the hats off of this game has to go to Roa. The seer dream was really unfortunate, but barring that, I would say that she played a really great game. She was able to be vocal and really contribute while still deflecting most people's suspicions. Kudos to you, Roa!

I have posted my reps' to Roa already, and can't give them another time for the time being, but she really was great! Would she have been poorer in her dealings, we could have spotted the wolves... Good play Roa!!!

[Mithalwen]

Well Nogrod - I regretted not voting for you too!!!! I was sure I would die the day after you announced yourself ..... when you declared yourself the instant I had posted my rant I nearly died on the spot.... fortunately I managed to get out of it. I was so certain I wouldn't make it - I even wondered if it was worth risking not killing Nogrod that night (assuming he would have dreamt of me anyway ) and create enough muddle and confusion to Elu to slip through.

However Elu calmed me down and Nogrod went.

Elu and I disagreed on the last night's kill though - I would still liek to know if Kitanna flipped a coin for me to get my way!!!!

Jenny - you freaked me out when you latched on to me so much. I nearly panicked as I did on my first attemt at wolvery.... you have no idea how relieved I was to survive day 1 - everything else was a bonus until the last night and it seemed we really could win it.

Valier was unlucky not to be believed more but having generated enough suspicion of her early for her insubstantial posts, it was on the whole worth keeping her alive.

Firefoot I feared most, getting her onside was a wonderful bit of luck as was the lynching of Wilwa.

Nogrod - scary, scary, scary.... and you said you wouldn't open the door to me!!!

Night 1 we wanted to lynch someone quiet - the reason it was Lommy not Gandalf..... well I know it was stupid to think this could be that simple but if you look at the original list and see where we wolves and Wilwa were......

I think we did well to win but we were helped by the quietness and the first to reach total dies rule......

[JennyHallu]

Jenny - you freaked me out when you latched on to me so much. I nearly panicked as I did on my first attemt at wolvery.... you have no idea how relieved I was to survive day 1 - everything else was a bonus until the last night and it seemed we really could win it.

*grumbles* I thought you were really the first who seemed to be taking the game seriously, except for Firefoot who seemed pretty desperate. Only during the last day, in PMs with Lommy, did I finally realize you were really suspicious.

EDIT:

And that early vote from the "wait until the last possible second" person was also a bit of a tip-off.

[Mithalwen]

Well I didn't deliberately wait - that was timezones and with so few participants it was hard to hide votes so I had to be careful. But last day I knew if someone else voted for an innocent I could make the victory secure becasue of the first to total rule. So if Valier had voted Firefoot so would I - of course that would have been far more conspicuous btu it didn't matter then :D

[Kitanna]

*clap**clap* Well done to everyone. I was so glad I was able to mod this game.
I have to say, the chaos that ensued the day Nogrod revealed himself as the seer and Roa was lynched, that was great. I thought you guys would just forget about the rules and just kill one another.

[Roa_Aoife]

On my first venture as a wolf, I was glad to have mith on my team. Her experience was helpful, and her calm reasonable manner was the lead I followed in getting people to trust us. The whole no real connections thing was her idea. And Elu was good to work with, too. He provided a lot of thoughts and suggestions as to who we should kill, and posted just enough for me to throw suspicion at him with out making a viable case.

Night 2- We thought Folwren was the seer, since most of his posts seemed to say "I know something you don't know." There was a bit of confusion though- we almost ended up killing Firefoot instead! That's why that day really started late I think. Kitanna was waiting for one of us to get on and clear the confusion. I'm glad we cleared that up.

As for the Villagers:

Jenny, as I said in the last words thread, you may have been overly agressive, but I admire your boldness in a game that's new to you. That takes guts.

Valier- Your voting record had me in stiches, especially when no one trusted you. Your style may have been frothy, but you took charge near the end, and gave real substance. Good work!

Thin- Sorry to knock you out early. You're posts look like they would have gotten very interesting.

Wilwa- I honestly didn't mean to get you lynched. When I logged back on to find that I had helped lynch the hunter, I had a near heart attack. I thought, "What? But... no... you weren't supposed to follow me!"

Nogrod- Holy cow. The way you pulled a case out of nothing amazed me. Your posts at the beginning were well though out. However, you might want to watch the attitude. Also, it amused me when you said that the wolves wouldn't vote for their own, and to watch for my teammates trying to save me. I really had to laugh out loud at that one when I thought, "They had better not save me. We discussed that at the beginning. None of this teamplay nonsense here."

Folwren- One of the few talkers, I was almost sorry to kill you. Really, it's almost too easy in a quiet village to doge the noose. You have no idea how glad I was that you sort of trusted me.

Firefoot- Yes, I leeched onto you, almost for the sole purpose of creating a link to you instead of Mith and Elu. But, you did speak reason, even if you were wrong on a lot of it. You're analysis skills are top notch.

Sleepy- I ws sorry to see you go. From your few posts on day one I could see that a game with you would be interesting. Of course we were planning on killing you early anyways, and we thought about killing you instead of Thin, but still... Sorry you couldn't be around more. Exams suck.

Eonwe- I guess your luck with the seer was about as bad as mine. Oh well, you were a good asset to the game. Sorry you couldn't post more.

Gandalf- Well, access problems are quite a bother. It's a shame you haven't really been able to play, but I hope you can get things straightened out soon, so you can actually participate in the next game you join. I'd like to see what you could do.

Well, I guess that's it. Can't wait for the next game. ^_^

[Nogrod]

Nogrod- Holy cow. The way you pulled a case out of nothing amazed me. Your posts at the beginning were well though out. However, you might want to watch the attitude. Also, it amused me when you said that the wolves wouldn't vote for their own, and to watch for my teammates trying to save me. I really had to laugh out loud at that one when I thought, "They had better not save me. We discussed that at the beginning. None of this teamplay nonsense here."


I hope you remember, it was the first game for me too. I did realize speaking stupidly about that team-work thing just after I had posted it...

I'm coming to reflect over this attitude-thing, as I PM'd you already. Sorry to have been so aggressive: kind of run out of other options back then. I you recollect the situation, I was playing most of the day two against you and Firefoot (whom I really took as a wolf). So fighting alone, against two wolves, with no help from anyone! That was scary... and fun!!!

Thanks everyone, again.

[Valier]

Valier- Your voting record had me in stiches, especially when no one trusted you. Your style may have been frothy, but you took charge near the end, and gave real substance. Good work!



Thank you Roa! You are one of the only players who thought I played well despite my earlier Frothyness! (p.s What the heck does frothy mean, concerning a human?) At the start it was hard to get going but, I really did try to win this one for the villagers who had passed.:rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

It was the posts not you per se which were frothy for the first day and a half. You posted quite a lot but when you looked at it it really was saying nothing useful for wolfhunting.... all "In character" stuff which couldn't be taken seriously. It was entertaining but when it lasted beyond day 1 and Folwren and Firefoot were producing good analyses ... it did make it possible to make you look dubious.

But I will say, you are a very brave player and not afraid of taking a stand.

If you ever play the Hunter, I will really hope not to be a wolf. :D

[Thinlómien]

Well played people! I was watching you struggle and wished the villagers would win. It didn't happen so (congrats, wolves) but it was fun to watch.

Firefoot - The "Roa/Nogrod Day" I was so sure you were a wolf, especially if I followed Nogrod's logic concerning the relationship between you and Roa. Later, Nogrod revealed me that he had dreamed about you the night he died and he told you were ordo. I was so surprised! I was also glad that you weren't lynched because of Nogrod's theory.

Nogrod - You were probably a bit scary for the people who were alive, but I thought you amusing... :D Well played for a first game! And for a game in general, too.

Eonwe - I always like playing with you! You have insight and you don't usually write idiotic things.

Sleepy - Good game. You were actually one of my main suspects on Day 1 purely because of your style. then - lucky for you (or actually that wouldn't have influenced very much, but) - you made an insightful good innocent-like post. The self-vote was uderstandable.

Valier - I had the feeling that you were bossed around a bit and everyone was using you for their own means. Regarding that, you did really well.

Mith - After the "Roa/Nogrod Day" and a later discussion with dead Nogrod I was suspecting you very strongly. But, the village didn't see through your role, so it was well played.

Elu - Without certainity about the dead and firefoot plus my innocent-feeling of Jenny and valier, I would never have guessed you to be a wolf. Extremly well played for a wolf, acceptably played in general (you didn't say practically anything usfel on the first days).

Jenny - You were kind of on/off-person on my suspected wolves list. Your style is making people confused. Just like Feanor of the Peredhil. :) (And that is positive, she's a good player.)

Roa - Well played except the slip "I've never been a wolf before". At the beginning I was convinced you were innocent.

I don't have anything mindful to say about the others; all is already said.

Night 1 we wanted to lynch someone quiet - the reason it was Lommy not Gandalf..... well I know it was stupid to think this could be that simple but if you look at the original list and see where we wolves and Wilwa were...... So don't be in wrong place on the list by the mod and don't let your mom fall ill so you can't participate enough. I promise to remember this next time... ;)

[JennyHallu]

Poor Lommy...wish you'd stayed in longer. After talking with you by PM I definitely wonder whether we wouldn't have had a better chance had you stayed.

[Gandalf_the _white]

sorry everyone but my computer broke down :mad:
i should have been more to the point when i said i wasn't going to be on for ages, i meant i wouldn't be back! that was also my reason for my vote against myself, that post was done from a friends computer and was my last chance to go on a co mputer before today. Once again sorry everyone

[Elu Ancalime]

Elu - Without certainity about the dead and firefoot plus my innocent-feeling of Jenny and valier, I would never have guessed you to be a wolf. Extremly well played for a wolf, acceptably played in general (you didn't say practically anything usfel on the first days).

Well. I thought I was playing like a noob.
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[JennyHallu]

Well. I thought I was playing like a noob.

No, that would have to have been me.

[Sleepy Ranger]

No, that would have to have been me.

Noob or not you kept me entertained. Good job!