WWJ IV: Let the insanity ensue

[Kitanna]

In the pleasant town of Squaresville, all was going well. Until one day an unthinkable terror swept through the streets. The nerds of the little town felt the terror descend upon them like the clammy hand of death. Yet none could guess the evil that was waiting for them once the sun set…

Welcome to WWJ IV: Let the insanity ensue.
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Werewolves~ Three werewolves are lurking in the town. They are trying to kill as many villagers as possible. When the number of wolves is even with the number of villagers, the wolves have won. The wolves may PM during the night phases, but not the day. At the end of each night they must PM me their choice.

Ranger~ Each night the ranger picks one person he thinks is innocent to protect from the wolves. He may not protect the same person two nights in a row and he may not protect himself. PM me with the name before the end of the night phase.

Hunter~ Each night the hunter picks one person they suspect as being a wolf. In the untimely event of the hunter death by the wolves the person he picked will die alongside him. PM me with the name before the end of the night phase.

Seer~ Every night the seer picks one person to dream of. The next day he spends trying to convince the rest of the villager of that person’s innocence or guilt. PM me with the name before the end of the night phase.

Villagers~ May only talk during the Day phases. They try to pick the wolves out from other villagers and the gifted. May not PM each other about the game or talk about it on other threads.

*No double-lynching. (I know it can be fun…) In the event of a tie of votes the person to first receive the highest number will be chosen.

*No retractable votes

*Votes should be written on a separate line and bolded like this:

++Kitanna

*Please, try to have your vote for the Day in 10 minutes before voting is closed.

*The game will be split into two phases. Night and Day phases will last for 24-hours. During the Day villagers try to pick the wolves from the other villagers. During the Night wolves and gifted villagers think about who they’d like to kill, protect, or dream of.

*Day and Night will begin at 3 PM CST (GMT -6).

*When Day ends no more posting on this thread.

*Remember to put on your invisible mode.

*Do not edit your post except to change spelling/grammar errors or to state a cross-post.

*You can tell the village you are a wolf or a seer or what have you until the cows come home, but you cannot provide PM’s or anything of the like as evidence in proving it.

It is now Night 1, Wolves may PM each other. I need a name from the seer tonight.

The Players
1) Thinlómien ~ Penguin-fisher
2) JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
3) Eonwe ~ Hermit
4) Wilwarin ~ Mathematics professor
5) Sleepy Ranger ~ Messiah of Rock 'n' Roll
6) Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
7) Roa_Aoife ~ Local protestor/ lobbyist
8) Valier ~ Dance instructor
9) Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower
10) Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
11) Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
12) Folwren ~ Seamstress
13) Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

[Kitanna]

The villagers of Squaresville awoke and went about their daily chores like they did every day. Not one thing seemed amiss. The sun was shining, the birds were singing, and the villagers were going about their business.

“Anyone seen Kitanna this morning?” Sleepy Ranger asked as he tuned his guitar.

No one answered, none of them had seen Kitanna all morning. Normally she was out and about spreading her pessimistic ways to others. Her not so cheery disposition and her angry rants had become an everyday part of the villagers’ lives. Not seeing her grumbling and presenting the glass as half-full was a little strange.

“Maybe she’s not feeling well.” Firefoot suggested.

That seemed a pretty responsible explanation. But as the morning progressed, more and more villagers felt a great sense of foreboding. Finally Wilwarin spoke up and announced she would go see what had happened to Kitanna.

The villagers followed to the small cottage Kitanna had called home. Someone knocked, nothing stirred within. Again they knocked and not a sound.

Gently Folwren pushed the door open. “Anyone home?”

They stepped inside. Papers were scattered everywhere, a desk was knocked over, chairs were broken and there, tied to a rickety wooden chair, was Kitanna. All the fingers on her right hand broken and her left index finger cut clean off. Protruding from her chest was a golden handled letter opener.

Next to her lifeless body was a letter scrawled in blood. It appeared that her missing finger had been the pen in this little note. “One down, ten to go."

LIVING
1) Thinlómien ~ Penguin-fisher
2) JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
3) Eonwe ~ Hermit
4) Wilwarin ~ Mathematics professor
5) Sleepy Ranger ~ Messiah of Rock 'n' Roll
6) Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
7) Roa_Aoife ~ Local protestor/ lobbyist
8) Valier ~ Dance instructor
9) Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower
10) Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
11) Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
12) Folwren ~ Seamstress
13) Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener

Wolves stop PMing.

[Firefoot]

Dreadful news, I say, dreadful! The wolves shall have to be caught, of course, or we will all end up dead like dear Kitanna, may her soul rest in peace.

Strategies can be discussed, of course, but it seems to me that there really aren't any good strategies for catching wolves, not this early on. The best way seems to be for everyone to speak up frequently, contribute thoughts, and then everyone vote for the one who seems most wolvish to them, leaving us with a clean voting record for future reference. Hardly a high-tech plan, but it seems to be the one that would work the best. Other people may propose them, of course, and even if they are not used, they will at least give us something to talk about on this first day when evidence seems so slim.

[Valier]

I can't believe Kitanna is dead!...She was a lovely dancer and her shoes I might add were fantastic. Werewolves eh? How horrible! Those harry beasts are hiding amongst us! I say everyone show me your shoes!!! Wolves I would assume would have horrid shoes. We must weed them out! They must all go! I say again all of you show me your shoes!(Well what else do we have on the first day? :p )

[JennyHallu]

Kitanna! Dear, bright Kitanna who was perpetually up-to-date on her taxes! Such a tragic loss to our community...

In my opinion, the culprits are probably not taxpayers, as I have utmost respect and love for those of us who honor and uphold the law.

Therefore, I'm afraid I must look with some suspicion on Sleepy, Elu, and Roa. I'm sure all can agree that rebelliousness (and occasionally wolvishness) go hand-in-hand with such careers as they have chosen.

Therefore, if those three would kindly show Valier their feet, we can go about making a case!

[wilwarin538]

What a terrible way to die. Having a letter opener thrusted into her chest at a 78.3 degree angle must have been very painful. I hope we can get these wolves out of our small village before it becomes even smaller.

I think what Firefoot said is the only way that we can go. Day1 doesn't provide us with very much information, so it's pretty much just a shot in the dark.Atleast if everyone posts a few times and votes we'll have something to go on tomorrow.

I'll return a little later.

[Firefoot]

Now how come you all seem so intent on going after those with the less-upstanding appearances? Wolves can hide in a fair skin just as easily as a foul skin, if not easier because people are so obviously inclined not to go after them. If I was a wolf (which I assure you, I am not), I would go about keeping up appearances, clean shoes as well as a clean tax record, just to keep people's eyes away. And what have shoes got to do with wolves anyway? They aren't going to wear shoes when they're wolves, that's for certain.

My point being that we need to look at the upstanding citizens as well as the lower class ones. To name a few... what were Folwren, Mithalwen, and Elu doing last night? Hmm?

[Valier]

I must say my dear stablemaster that shoes have everything to do with wolves..Well as far as I'm concerned. But we should also look at poor dancing skills because I am quite sure wolves can't dance gracefully.

Well everyone seems awfully quiet, come on out wolves!! We will get you sooner or later...How about sooner...That sounds good to me! :D

[Elu Ancalime]

what were Folwren, Mithalwen, and Elu doing last night? Hmm?

Well actually Firefoot, I was at Symphonic Band sectionals.....but anyway.....


the birds were singing,

GASP!

This is indeed not werewolf, but a new species of werebird!!! (by day, a nightengale, but by night, fell beast!?)

Just Kidding. Birds dont have thumbs.


EDIT: In AP world history my teacher told me that if cities the Mongols/Yuen dynasty conquered didnt pay up all their valubles, they would torch and slaughter all of the people....Maybe Kitanna didnt pay her Mod Taxes.....
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[JennyHallu]

Nope. Checked my records, she was good. Fellow citizens, this was a foul crime, perpetrated by foul, fiendish...um...fiends. And the worst part is, it was one of us. Well, actually, one of you, as I was quite innocently counting out my money, while eating bread and honey, and waiting for my clothes to dry.

:D

Looking at some research on werewolves, I have found that werewolves are quite often not born, but are created through a curse...therefore, we cannot look at past behavior as sign of evilness. Just darned unluckiness. Therefore I am changing my search through tax records. Instead of bringing up those who haven't paid, I'm flagging for your perusal those who couldn't pay.

FOR THESE REASONS:

I fear we must focus our search on Eonwe. Long has she dwelt near our happy village, but she must not like us, for does she ever come into town to pay her taxes? Praise the penguins? Lend an ear to our joyful music? And who could be happy without the company of the wonderful people of the village?

And while she may have seemed innocent in times past, her secluded dwelling place have left her without defense from the terrible curse. And so, it is with a heavy heart that I contemplate the perhaps necessary demise of our dear local hermit.

I fear this heavy thought means I need sustenance. Mithalwen, may I have a muffin?

[Firefoot]

A day already fated to be rather unproductive is growing more and more so by everyone's silence... I sure hope posting does pick up here soon or when I vote in the morning it may just be for someone who hasn't posted because at this rate it's going to have to be random anyway because no one really seems to be posting.

And if that's going to be the way it is, voting will undoubtedly be all spread out and of little use anyway. :( I'd like to suggest limiting the voting in some way, except that seems likely to narrow our chances of bagging a wolf. But... what if we were to just pick four random people off the list and say "vote for one of them" - just to narrow our results?

If nothing else, I'd like to generate a bit of discussion here, see where it leads. Thoughts?

Edit: cross-posting with Jenny.

[JennyHallu]

Perhaps we should simply vote for the last person to lend their voice to our discussion.

[Eonwe]

Werewolves, eh? You don't say...

Just Kidding. Birds dont have thumbs.

At least not opposable thumbs...

Perhaps we should simply vote for the last person to lend their voice to our discussion.

As often as not, you have to use a prosedure similar to this on the first day... :rolleyes:

On an aside, Kitanna, could you post the death on exacly on teh hour its due, that way my browser automatically translates teh time to EST and i don't have to think about it? Im really not very good at shifting time zones... :rolleyes:

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh, dear Kitanna! Clearly she was a victim of the system in which she lived! (I always knew those politicians werewolves in political clothing.) So, werewolves are among us. Indeed, we can no longer trust our neighbors. So, what shall become of us?

Jenny, you're mighty hasty to throw those accusations around when we have nothing to go on.

I think it would be best if we took the full time for everyone to post and reply before making decisive accusations like that.

[Firefoot]

Simply having everyone vote for the last contributor would not be the best plan, I do not think. For one thing, it creates an automatic bandwagon and Day 2 becomes almost as useless as Day 1, because if s/he is innocent, both wolves and innocents will have voted for him/her and there will be no discrimination. The wolves can hide easily in this scenario. The same works if s/he is a wolf. I would much rather see spread out votes than everyone voting for the same person. Additionally, some people will have to vote much earlier than others, so the last person who contributes may not have contributed by the time the first person votes.

I hope to see the remaining half of the village speak up sometime before I vote when I wake up tomorrow morning...

[JennyHallu]

Jenny, you're mighty hasty to throw those accusations around when we have nothing to go on.

Oh I am perfectly aware that they are all shots in the dark. And indeed, here. Let me complete my Day 1 analysis:

Thinlomien ~ Where did he get the penguins? Do the penguins mean he's guilty?

JennyHallu ~ Innocent as a lamb. But paranoid, definitely paranoid.

Eonwe ~ In such a (well I thought it was) perfect village as this, why would she want to be a hermit?

Wilwarin ~ Well, if he's a wolf, we're probably doomed. He's probably smarter than us.

Sleepy Ranger ~ Messianic claims? Seems wolvish.

Firefoot ~ Hmm...likes horses...well, actually I think Fire is probably innocent. Otherwise the horses would be scared.

Roa_Aoife ~ Never trust lobbyists. Same as salespeople. Very nice, but not on your doorstep.

Valier ~ With her grace and flexibility she could dance around any of our suspicions. And the shoe obsession is just weird.

Nogrod ~ I haven't got anything...but maybe he's just trying to fly under the radar. Probably a wolf.

Elu Ancalime ~ I'm married to a brass musician, actually. Trombonist. Elu is a wolf.

Gandalf_the _white ~ See Wilwarin

Folwren ~ Seamstress...hmm...See Nogrod.

Mithalwen ~ Sorry, it'll take me a long time to distrust the cookie-maker. If you're a wolf, Mith, I'll cry. Oh, and where's my muffin?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Wait? What? Murdered with a letter opener? I call shenannigans! I mean yer all just over-reacting she obviously died listening to Britney Spears... we ought to lynch her...

But if you insist that she was murdered here are my opinions on the public-

1) Thinlómien ~ Penguin-fisher - This chica is pretty cool. Shes always at my concerts with those weird guys in suits.

2) JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector - This womans a cool
person herself except for when she tries to kill me over taxes. I mean that is so not cool dudette. And dearie, I ain't claiming nothing. I am the Messiah of Rock 'n' Roll! Wait... did I say kill?

3) Eonwe ~ Hermit - I've never seen her speak or heard her move... is she even alive? I mean watsupwiddat?!?

4) Wilwarin ~ Mathematics professor - Two plus two equals Thomas Jefferson is all I have to say.

5) Sleepy Ranger ~ Messiah of Rock 'n' Roll - This dude reeks of awesomeness, hes got a really cool band which is just full of high octane coolocity. I mean really, hes just awesome. This guys so hot that I hope you got sunglasses and hands off unless you want the burned off! Form a single line for autographs please.

6) Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables - I've seen her around at my concerts, shes alright.

7) Roa_Aoife ~ Local protestor/ lobbyist - Shes been around at my last few
concerts, she even has an autographed photo of the band. This could only mean one thing... STALKER!

8) Valier ~ Dance instructor - Have you ever seen her tearing up the floor at one of my concerts? No? Well neither have I though I do believe she stole one of our surveillance cameras.

9) Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower - I like this guy... >_>

10) Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician - Pretty cool guy, played back-up for us once.

11) Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician - He opened our show once,
professional guy.

12) Folwren ~ Seamstress - She has way too much stress in her job, maybe she ought to kick back and come to one of my concerts yea. That would definately reduce the stress. Of course then she'd be a seam but thats beside the point.

13) Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner - She provides free cake for my concerts how could she be evil?

In the end I suggest we lynch Nogrod. Why? Because theres a chance he may offer free pipe-weed to be not killed.

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My apologies if my post offended anyone. It was made solely for entertainment purposes.

[Mithalwen]

Just checking in and delivering muffins ..... carbs are good for shock. WIll post properly at lunchtime.

[Gandalf_the _white]

hmmm i don't think i'm too smart this is only my second game :D but i did survive till the last night in my first game (where bits of me were used to send a message lol) since we don't have retractable votes i'll probaly vote later if i get chance but it will be a random one as i can't have any suspicions on the first day!! :D

[Nogrod]

Sorry. I must have overslept. And now hands full of work amidst this catastrophy! If I'm not into packing my newest brand immediately, they will dry out and I'll be in ruins. I shall come to discuss this terrible situation in a couple of hours time.

Still. My instinct would say, that someone with a rebellious or otherwise anti-social character could the one we are looking for. It's true, that evil may have a hideout anywhere. But as we have no other clues right now, I would like to know what f.ex. Eonwe or Roa have been doing last night.

Sorry, I'll have to go now. Coming back soon.

[Gandalf_the _white]

well nogrod you could say that but werewolves can be quiet and stay out of the way this can be just as good a tactic as being a loud mouth. :D

[Sleepy Ranger]

Since I'm your resident rock star heres a song in tribute of our dear Kitanna.

He slings his guitar off his back and strums it bit before starting a bit of tune. He then begins to play 'Gone Away' by 'The Offspring'. A tribute to a friend.

Maybe in another life
I could find you there
Pulled away before your time
I can't deal, it's so unfair

And it feels, and it feels like
Heaven's so far away
And it feels, yeah it feels like
The world has grown cold
Now that you've gone away

Leaving flowers on your grave
To show that I still care

He then cuts off and begins to play at a softer pace, letting the song fade away.

Rest well, Kitanna our dear friend. My next concert is dedicated to Kitanna, five of the clock, Sunday evening. May our music soothe your soul Kitanna. And friends, may we bring down the swift justice of ROCK 'N' ROLL He strums a few chords upon the vile fiends who commited such an act.

[Firefoot]

Well, I won't be around again in time to vote, so the time has come for me to cast mine. I don't see anything particularly wolvish about any of you and today has thus far been completely useless, despite my efforts to avoid this.

++Gandalf_the_white

Nothing personal. It's pretty much random.

But may I ask you all one more time... can we try to get some useful discussion out here during the remainder of the day? I don't care what we discuss - strategy, probably, as that's about the only thing there is - but try to discuss something, it makes the day at least somewhat more productive and informed. I tried to get you started but no one really responded.

[Nogrod]

Well. Back from work then. A couple of sacks, the finest quality.

But Firefoot is right. We should have a plan of some sorts. I would compare this to a game of chess: even a rudimentary and clumsy plan is better than just moving randomly around.

Of course one can always roll a dice to decide, but thats kind of stupid. Has someone been overtly nice or overtly aggressive? Or non-existent, invisible? I would start on those premises.

Ayone here, who has lived in village where this kind of things have happened before? First time in this village, and I've lived here all my life.

[Mithalwen]

Sorry this will be quick because I must get back to my deliveries (ie the RL work connection is as slow as a lame tortoise). However I will be around later and up to the deadline so I do not have to rush my vote.

I am sorry that RL has made Firefoot have to rush hers though, since on the surface she does seem slightly more suspicious than anyone else - posting first always looks suspicious to me. Also she has posted a lot and slightly contradictorily - first saying that there is no plan then suggesting we limit the vote (which as I am sure our resident professor could confirm) is unlikely to improve our chances.

However she admitted this herself so it may be that she was merely trying to stimulate debate. I hope she won't take this too personally. I am very grateful for the high esteem that she holds those of us that work in plain trades (especially since our village is so highly populated with those who work in the more glamourous but less steady entertainments industry).

Jenny can confirm that my taxes were filed accurately but only just on time. I need the deadline to be really scary before I can face the tedious paperwork. We bakers find numberwork hard (our dozen is 13 afterall!) .. so I really will need my attempts at statistics checking.

Today is bound to be random. We can not expect our Seer to be explicit so early. I think it is far too early for a voting strategy. We may well not find a wolf today - statistically we are most likely to choose an innocent (fortunately a Gifted is the least probable) but today's discussion may well be useful later on.... so it provedfor one of my kin in a similarly afflicted village recently.

I hope there will be a lot more to go on on my return. I feel mean for concentrating on Firefoot now but her posts have given most scope for discussion.

[JennyHallu]

Mithalwen's quiet wisdom has inspired me to fight off my paranoia, and perhaps to take a closer look at someone I felt inclined to trust. Truly her baking and cooking has allowed her unique perspective and time for contemplation.

Her advice, stated briefly seems to be as follows:

1) Spread the vote, to maximize the evidence we have to analyse tomorrow.

2) Understand we have little to go on.

3) Take a close look at those who have spoken often, especially Firefoot.

Alas, my mission in the Civil Service has left me no time to see the workings of other villages, and so I fear it will be difficult for me to realize when the members are acting suspiciously or merely eccentrically. So let us take a slow and careful look at our heretofore trusted Stabler:

Her reaction was first, yes, but surely we must all agree that if we are to combat this threat to our homes and livelihood, someone must post first. However, I find her initial statement interesting.

Strategies can be discussed, of course, but it seems to me that there really aren't any good strategies for catching wolves, not this early on

She goes on to suggest the best plan is to enjoy the benefits of a wide and active discussion, and suggests voting for whomever seems most wolvish to one's self at the end of the Day.

Later, she bemoans the silence of the village, but I have no experience to tell me whether or not our little village was truly relatively silent. More interesting, to my eyes at least, is her suggestion that we limit our voting by selecting a range of four random people. This seems an about-face from her earlier suggestion to vote by individual conscience, which would, in the absence of any real evidence, ensure a fairly wide spread of votes.

Her next post is another about-face, stating explicitly that a well-spread out vote is the best chance of catching a Wolf.

And finally, her vote for Gandalf. I do not criticise this vote, for none of us have anything to go on, and wolves or not, Firefoot has important duties to attend to. What strikes me as curious is her insistence that we villagers develop some strategy with which to catch the wolves. Did she not already tell us that strategy is useless with as little as we have to go on today?

Perhaps, in my inexperience, I have misread or misinterpreted the import of what Firefoot has said toDay, and so I ask those with more knowledge of the dangers we face to consider my words, and show me my errors. For now, I must confess my suspicions of Firefoot are growing.


Oh, and I must apologize to Eonwe. I am afraid I have been referring to you as a girl, and such an error is ridiculous.

[Eonwe]

Indeed, though I hold nothing against you for that. :)

I don't have much to say, traditionally, on first days, except they suck...

So pardon my reticents, though I assure you it will pick up as it goes along.

[Roa_Aoife]

Lovely song, Sleepy. There's a reason I like your band. Now please do something useful. Inaction like that is only going to allow societies problems to persist.

The only other game I played in, the village was quite vocal day one. We even managed to catch a wolf. But that may have had something to do with the retractable votes. Votes came early since people knew they could change them, and that generated a lot of discussion. I have limited experience in this, but it may be that people are reluctant to post something definitive or accusatory because they fear losing their precious vote.

So here's a quick summary of the mosts, to hopefully generate a discussion in the little time we have left. The two most vocal members today are Jenny and Firefoot. Folwren and Thin have yet to say anything. The most empty posts belong to Valier, Elu, Sleepy, and Gandalf.

what .... Roa have been doing last night.
I was planning my next protest to be held outside of Jenny's home, of course. Taxes are just a way to keep the people under the control of the government!

[Folwren]

I am here. I am sorry it has taken me so long to finally arrive, but I have read all the posts up to this point and have done my best to try to look for guilt and innocence. Reading between the lines is hard. . .very hard in some cases.

However, here are some things said and my answers there to:

Originally posted by Nogrod
Has someone been overtly nice or overtly aggressive? Or non-existent, invisible? I would start on those premises.

In answer, I have noticed two - Jennyhalu is over aggressive, and Sleepy Ranger is overly nice. As of yet, I have not formed any accusations thereof, but it’s an answer to your question as I see it.

Originally posted by Mith
I am sorry that RL has made Firefoot have to rush hers though, since on the surface she does seem slightly more suspicious than anyone else - posting first always looks suspicious to me. Also she has posted a lot and slightly contradictorily - first saying that there is no plan then suggesting we limit the vote (which as I am sure our resident professor could confirm) is unlikely to improve our chances.

This is all very well and good. You can choose to accuse and suspect who you will, but I do not find Jenny's response acceptable, really. After Mith suggested we look at Firefoot, Jenny, who up this point is all very well and happy to be friends with Firefoot, leap upon her immediately, pulling out evidence that's hardly there and weaving a net that Firefoot has absolutely no chance of escaping, especially since she has had to go.

Allow me. . .
Originally posted by Jenny
Originally posted by Firefoot
Strategies can be discussed, of course, but it seems to me that there really aren't any good strategies for catching wolves, not this early on


She goes on to suggest the best plan is to enjoy the benefits of a wide and active discussion, and suggests voting for whomever seems most wolvish to one's self at the end of the Day.

Firefoot's first post made sense. Strategies are just about impossible to make the first day. If you try to make them, they often fail, and then whoever attempts to make them gets looked at and in the end, probably lynched, and they probably turn out to be innocent innocents who are only trying to help.

Originally posted by Jenny
Later, she bemoans the silence of the village, but I have no experience to tell me whether or not our little village was truly relatively silent. More interesting, to my eyes at least, is her suggestion that we limit our voting by selecting a range of four random people. This seems an about-face from her earlier suggestion to vote by individual conscience, which would, in the absence of any real evidence, ensure a fairly wide spread of votes.

Silence is bad. If no one talks, or if everyone talks but very little, nothing can be derived from their words to either prove their innocence or guilt. Firefoot, and any other good player, knows that.
As for the four votes. . .well, that's better than everyone being a candidate for lynching, isn't it? She says, let's not all bandwagon on one, but she also says, let's not try to lynch everyone at once. Go by your instincts, and it's likely that people's instincts will lead them to, as she said, about four or five people. A well spread out vote is four or five.

Her vote for Gandalf the white is not too bad. I had a few doubts when I read his first post, but I have more time and won't vote immediately, he'll be able to talk more. Firefoot, however, did not have more time.

There. That rant was to both show how much Jenny is desperate to point her finger at someone, and to say that I don't think Firefoot is guilty. If she is, at this point, I consider it pretty impossible to tell, and it'd be a daft thing indeed to be rid of her this early in the game - especially when this first lynching will be a guess in the dark. Don't kill her. She'll be valuable later on. Especially if she turns out innocent.

Originally posted by Jenny
Perhaps we should simply vote for the last person to lend their voice to our discussion.

Bad idea, actually, because if I happen to be the last person here, it means I’ll be lynched, and that’s terribly unfair because I haven’t had internet access before now. And that could be the case with every other person here.

As it is - I will back up what Firefoot said earlier - we need more long posts! Not a lot of short, little posts that say nothing except 'Here I am.' 'Yeah, she looks guilty.' No. We need some real posts! And for the people who don't start giving real posts, I will look at closely, I can promise you. If it is your character to write short posts, perhaps it's overlookable, but. . .maybe not.

-- Folwren

EDIT: Cross posted with Roa

[JennyHallu]

Honestly I agree that my earlier idea of simply voting for the last to speak was, in a word, absurd. And honestly, it was Firefoot's explanation that brought me to that realization.

I see nothing suspicious in Gandalf's post except perhaps flippancy, but then I am myself overly wordy. It is hard to read between the lines when there are only three lines to read.

I am afraid that my aggressive nature is a personal fault, but it is hardly Wolvish. To be frank, I think that it is the product of idleness. My coins are all carefully catalogued and counted (trans: my RL job is simple and consists mostly of being next to the phone), and I have a lot of time to devote to trying to understand who could do this to Kitanna. If I am reading too much into Firefoot's statements, forgive me, but there did seem to me to be contradictions. My only experience of Werewolves has been tales I have heard elsewhere, and so I have no way of knowing if four candidates is a wide spread or not.

I find it interesting that while some insist on longer posts, attempts at analysis, and posting often, taking this advice to heart only brings suspicion. Villagers, I only meant to ask what others thought of Firefoot's statements.

I am sorry, Folwren, that I seem desperate to accuse anyone. But all I really want to do is stir up enough thought among my fellow villagers that I may learn what are clues and what are red herrings.

I mean, really, if I were a wolf, it seems obvious that it would be stupid to be quite so vociferous. It certainly seems to bring suspicion immediately on my head, which is not at all my intention, as I am innocent.

[Nogrod]

Sorry to be making these short posts just after Folwren has quite eloquently argued for longer ones. Just some more pipeweed to attend to. I will be back well before the voting time runs out and try to make some more contributions.

But just here. As an example of how schitzophrenic this situation is to begin with, is that you could see Folwrens' message both ways: as an attempt to free an innocent Firefoot from the aggressive WW JennyHallu, or then Jenny had it right in the first place, and now one WW tries to save another with rhetoric...

Well, my first instinct would go more for the former than the latter, but I really do not have any grounds for this. Propably its neither...

But still I would go for a principle, rather than the rolling of the dice. The WW's will gain most if we just spread our votes randomly: it's then anybody's game (chances 3/13). This all presupposing, that we have an idea for the principle.

I'll have to go through this thread once more as I have time (if I have it) to see, whether there is something along these lines of being overtly nice and lovable, being really aggressive, or being totally non-existent (is there anyone besides Thin, not posting anything yet?).

[Sleepy Ranger]

Alright after going over the posts that have been made I've decided its time to start speaking sense. Ok now due to the lack of time I may not be able to reply nor may I be able to back up my statements so don't get mad at me if I mess up a bit here and there. Now judging by past experience I have always been one of the most contradictory players and have always added some flavor to the game. However I am yet to start using my twisted logic yet (and odds are I won't in this game due to time restraints) so chances are there won't be any good long posts attacking me or defending me while all together ignoring the wolf threat. ^_^

Honestly I agree that my earlier idea of simply voting for the last to speak was, in a word, absurd. And honestly, it was Firefoot's explanation that brought me to that realization.

And your point is? There are plenty of absurd theories on day 1. The last game I was on people were attacking other people based on their occupation. Sure just commenting on it is fine but really they took the occupations a bit too seriously. Compared to that I find Firefoot's idea of voting for the last person to vote saner but not something I would do yet it doesn't earn her a spot on my suspicion list.

I find it interesting that while some insist on longer posts, attempts at analysis, and posting often, taking this advice to heart only brings suspicion.

What are you trying to say? We should stop making theories and analysis because that arouses suspicion? We should keep our posts short and shouldn't post often just because it arouses suspicion? Posting less, short and nothing to do with the game also arouses suspicion.

I see nothing suspicious in Gandalf's post except perhaps flippancy, but then I am myself overly wordy. It is hard to read between the lines when there are only three lines to read.

Oh dear... You're asking him for a longer post just before going on a rant about how people shouldn't be asking for longer posts? You baffle me, congratulations.

Villagers, I only meant to ask what others thought of Firefoot's statements.

Why are you isolating Firefoot? Granted shes made some contradictions but going straight out and asking others for their opinions on it so early seems a tad bit suspicious to me.

I am sorry, Folwren, that I seem desperate to accuse anyone. But all I really want to do is stir up enough thought among my fellow villagers that I may learn what are clues and what are red herrings.

You're basing your attack on a couple of posts from a single person and you're trying to divert all attention to her. Seems fishy.

I mean, really, if I were a wolf, it seems obvious that it would be stupid to be quite so vociferous. It certainly seems to bring suspicion immediately on my head, which is not at all my intention, as I am innocent.

Really? So are you trying to say the wolves won't call attention on themselves? Firefoot did, yet you're saying shes a wolf. +5 Suspicion points for you ma'am.

Jenny seems to be quite an exciteable person and is currently the sole occupant of my suspicion list. I won't be so quick to jump on Firefoot, its probably just a gut feeling but I believe shes innocent.

Since I don't know if I'll have a chance to post again heres my vote-

++JennyHallu

[Folwren]

Eh, that is good, your explenation, and it likely is the truth, though it's hard to tell. Some wolves can be very cunning, and from a bit of study on you, your a smart person. . .

Be that as it may, I wrote my last post and rant mostly to clear Firefoot of suspicion. I will admit, though, that I had few scruples against bringing doubt onto you.

I have nothing more to say. And. . .if there is anything between this post and Jenny's last post, that means I cross posted with someone and I'm too lazy to want to Edit my stuff.

-- Folwren

[Valier]

Whoa is me!!! So much has happened since I woke up! I don't see the point today of making long winded posts because there is nothing to go on. People who post alot with alot in them tend to get lynched soon because they bring themselves into the spot light more...But then again all the quietness makes me nervous!

I will have to vote in an hour or so....so I wish there was some one else around to help with some speculations. :D

[Roa_Aoife]

Though I wouldn't take my eyes off Sleepy for moment, I do agree that Jenny has been the most agressive player for the day. She has singled out Firefoot after our stabler's departure, in the same way a few did to another poor innocent in the last game, one those few being a wolf.

However, Sleepy seems to be attacking her over the smallest things.


I find it interesting that while some insist on longer posts, attempts at analysis, and posting often, taking this advice to heart only brings suspicion.

What are you trying to say? We should stop making theories and analysis because that arouses suspicion? We should keep our posts short and shouldn't post often just because it arouses suspicion? Posting less, short and nothing to do with the game also arouses suspicion.

I think here Jenny was trying to say that she'd been following that very advice for the good of the village, and it wasn't anything wolvish about it. (That, of course, remains to be seen. But it wasn't anything worth jumping on with that sort vehemence.)

I see nothing suspicious in Gandalf's post except perhaps flippancy, but then I am myself overly wordy. It is hard to read between the lines when there are only three lines to read.

Oh dear... You're asking him for a longer post just before going on a rant about how people shouldn't be asking for longer posts? You baffle me, congratulations.

A sentence is hardly a rant. While pointing to Gandalf's short post and then Firefoot's vote for him both as objects of suspision is contradicting, and highly suspicious itself, your accusation of ranting is overly agressive. What a switch from the politeness you were showing earlier! Is that because it was drawing attention? You're jumping around quite a bit.

Villagers, I only meant to ask what others thought of Firefoot's statements.

Why are you isolating Firefoot? Granted shes made some contradictions but going straight out and asking others for their opinions on it so early seems a tad bit suspicious to me.

I am sorry, Folwren, that I seem desperate to accuse anyone. But all I really want to do is stir up enough thought among my fellow villagers that I may learn what are clues and what are red herrings.

You're basing your attack on a couple of posts from a single person and you're trying to divert all attention to her. Seems fishy.

Besides Jenny, Firefoot has had the most posts to go from. As I said, I agree that Jenny seems overly agressive in this, and has jumped around quite a bit herself, but those few posts from where she's drawing suspicion is also the biggest source of information right now. You're pretty nitpicky about that. Was it just easier to jump on the most obviously suspicious person? I expected better from you.


I would still like to hear from Thin, and a few others wouldn't hurt to do more meaningful posts, even if they aren't very long.

[JennyHallu]

Sleepy, you have taken everything I said out of the context in which I said it.

Compared to that I find Firefoot's idea of voting for the last person to vote saner but not something I would do yet it doesn't earn her a spot on my suspicion list.

Firefoot never suggested we vote for the last voter. Firefoot suggest we select four names at random and divide our vote between those. How can you vote for the last person to vote anyway? You can't vote before that person has voted, but you can't vote until everyone else has either.

What are you trying to say? We should stop making theories and analysis because that arouses suspicion? We should keep our posts short and shouldn't post often just because it arouses suspicion? Posting less, short and nothing to do with the game also arouses suspicion.

Being in this village, today, arouses suspicion.

As for Gandalf, I did not mean to criticize the brevity of his post at all. I was questioning why Folwren felt that post made her suspicious. And I intended "overly wordy" as a crack at myself. I'm a windbag.

Why are you isolating Firefoot?

I am not the first to have singled out Firefoot. Mithalwen was the first to bring her up, I merely looked back at Firefoot's posts to see if I agreed. With Mithalwen's reasons I did not agree. But I also found Firefoot to be occasionally confusing. I never accused, I merely made my points and asked other villagers what they thought. Nogrod and Folwren responded in kind by questioning my aggressiveness, and I took this as advice to sit back and be more patient.

At this point, the chance, in my mind, of Firefoot's guilt, stands exactly where it was before I took a closer look at her posts: 1 in 13.


Please be more careful, however, when you refer to what someone else has said. Firefoot never advocated the strategy you said she did, and your entire point in that area made no sense.

EDIT: cross-posted with Roa

[Folwren]

Whoa is me!!! So much has happened since I woke up! I don't see the point today of making long winded posts because there is nothing to go on. People who post alot with alot in them tend to get lynched soon because they bring themselves into the spot light more...But then again all the quietness makes me nervous!

I will have to vote in an hour or so....so I wish there was some one else around to help with some speculations. :D

My dear. . .Valier. . .oi. . .I know not what to say. If you don't want quiet and you don't want long winded posts, what do you want? If we have nothing to go on, why shouldn't we make long winded posts and give something to go on? Yet, if we none of us made any long winded posts, then tomorrow would be the same as today, and there would STILL be nothing to go on! Are you afraid of people making long posts and then turning around and wondering why you aren't making long posts? And are you afraid to make long posts because if you do, you will bring the spotlight onto you? Only wolves should be trully afraid to bring the spot light on themselves. An innocent usually has ways of defending himself. . .or, at least, is usually convincing enough to defend himself, because if he's innocent, he hasn't done anything wrong. And the lack of guilt and guilty concious in his posts will vouch for him. Therefore, the only person who should be really afraid of drawing the spot light are the wolves. Or, well. . . maybe the seer, but not so much so.

But then, sometimes, wolves are smart and extremely cunning with their words, and can afford to make long posts and draw the spot light, and deflect the guilt. Sometimes.

And a word to the lot of us. . .we might want to be careful not to bandwagon this evening.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

My last post cross posted with Jenny, and I'm making a new post and therefore may be double posting because she said something that I didn't realize needed addressing but now that I do, I will make a new post.

Originally posted by said Jenny:
As for Gandalf, I did not mean to criticize the brevity of his post at all. I was questioning why Folwren felt that post made her suspicious. And I intended "overly wordy" as a crack at myself. I'm a windbag.

I can't say exactly why it made me feel suspicious. Only that, he claimed not to be so smart, therefore couldn't really be a cunning would, also says that he'll vote later on today at random and that he can't have any suspicions (sp) (also a ridiculous thing to say because regardless of who you are, you're going to have some sort of suspicion)(just look at us). He offers no help, no words, no nothing.

But, I will not judge simply from his two posts. I said I was doubtful of him, but it was mainly on a gut feeling. You can't really derrive much from just a couple of sentences. It could be Gandalf's natural character to remain quiet. I've seen people killed because they were naturally quiet and turn out to be someone gifted. However, I don't blame Firefoot too much for voting for him, seeing as she didn't have too long, and she did end up voting mostly at random, I should guess. At the time, he seemed the less useful and (p'raps) the most questionable.

-- Folwren

[Valier]

I know I know!! Folwren I just some times get confused with the longer posts! But I guess some people are better comunicators. I guess I do some times make long posts, but not often. That's just me! So I guess others are the opposite.

I do agree that we shouldn't all bandwagon today, lets spread it out and make the wolves jumpy, they might slip up with something incriminating if they are under suspision. I have seen it before.

About not wanting to be in the spotlight myself.Nonsense....I love the spotlight!! Being the magnificent dancer I am! But Alas I must depart very soon.....Who to vote for on this day of all days?

Edit: Cross posted with Folwren

[JennyHallu]

Thank you very much Folwren, for elaborating.

[Valier]

Well I'm sorry to say fellow villagers but I must leave you all now. My voting today is pretty random. I want to keep the voting field open. Anyways I think this villagers posts so far are strange...Well when I read them anyways!

++Elu Ancalime

Mostly because I think as a musician you stink! Can't dance to that racket anyways! Till the morning then! I hope to see all of you there, healthy and not lynched or eaten.(*Dances off home*)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Obviously everyone has decided to ignore my say of I'm on a time restraint and have a faint idea of what is going on and that I'm messed up in the head because of exams. However if I haven't posted that then I apologize. Anyway from what it seems at the moment it'd be best if I didn't do any theorizing and just stayed back for a while because my peeptacular logic which is hard to understand by itself makes no sense what so ever at the moment because I have no idea what I'm saying either...

I'd say in the best intrest of the village, lynch me.

Yours truly,
Sleepy Ranger

[Roa_Aoife]

Obviously everyone has decided to ignore my say of I'm on a time restraint and have a faint idea of what is going on and that I'm messed up in the head because of exams. However if I haven't posted that then I apologize.

Oh, well, that's a different matter then. It really isn't fair to take advantage of someone's time contraints and weakened mental state, so I'll let that go for now.

My, only a few hours to go, and Thin still hasn't shown herself. I wonder where she is?

[JennyHallu]

I understand your time restraint, sleepy, and absolutely respect exams. (icky exams...hugs sleepy even if he might be a wolf)

But if you are not a wolf, lynching you is not in the best interest of the village, no matter what is going on. We need every villager we have! And while I did criticise part of your analysis, I meant it in no way as a personal attack. Please, while I ask you to be more careful, don't give up! Music tames the savage beast...you may become our last line of defense, assuming you aren't hiding a tail or anything else overtly fuzzy. ;)

OOC: I really wish you best of luck on your exams...

EDIT: Cross-posted with Roa

[Sleepy Ranger]

Actually you're right... *flashback to WWJ I* Ah, 'twas a lovely game and I did play a major role in snatching the win for us... actually I did in II as well so if I snatch the win in IVI'll be laughing all the way to the bank. Thanks for the vote of confidence, I'll be acing those exams no matter what and after that if I'm still in the game I'll go back to my actual theorizing. The one that makes sense. [At times]

[Thinlómien]

I'm here now. Sorry for being away (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=446294&postcount=625). Taking care of those penguins is such a hard job.

I have skimmed through the thread, but I will read it now more carefully. Then I'll post some thoughts. I just wanted to tell you that I'm alive and online.

And: JennyHallu - I'm a she
everyone - if you shorten my name I prefer Lommy (but I don't mind if you call me Thin)

[JennyHallu]

Whoops...Sorry, Lady Lommy. If you'll notice, you're not the only one who has so suffered at my hands today...perhaps I have become a little short-sighted from long hours spent auditing people's taxes.

Not yours, of course. I'm sure yours were fine.

[Mithalwen]

Just really logging that I am back ..I did manage to sneak a few peeks since lunch but not enough to draw significant conclusions. At least there seems to be some more serious discussion going on now. And everyone I think has posted. Excuse me while I read. I should be here to the deadline now.

[Eonwe]

Jenny doesn't sit well with me. Her behavior harkens of a new wolf, soon to be innisiated into that brutal fellowship of lupines.

++Jenny

Please note that this vote is not so much on concrete reasoning as a fealing in by gut. As if anyone has any conrete reaonsing at any point in this torturous ordeal, much less on the first day.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Jenny doesn't sit well with me. Her behavior harkens of a new wolf, soon to be innisiated into that brutal fellowship of lupines.

Pardon me but what?

[JennyHallu]

Voting thus far

Votee
JennyHallu (2)
Elu Ancalime (1)
Gandalf_the_White (1)


Voters

Firefoot (Gandalf_the_White)
Sleepy Ranger (JennyHallu)
Valier (Elu Ancalime)
Eonwe (JennyHallu)


Eonwe, I fear your gut misleads you, and suggest a change in diet. Mithalwen has some very good muffins.

EDIT: Cross posted with Sleepy Ranger

[Thinlómien]

No problem, Jenny.

I'm a bit suspicious about Wilwa. She hasn't really said anything, just posted a popping-in post. Of course, she's (probably) living on a different time zone than I, so maybe she'll pop up later. Or maybe she has real life business. Being silent doesn't mean being wolf who doesn't want to attract attention. It might just be being busy with other things than WW.

Firefoot is a difficult case. I say, if she isn't killed by wolves soon, she's a wolf. (Wolves seem to prefer killing the villagers that have something to say or are making themselves important for the village.) And now the wolves won't probably kill her anyway, because it serves them well to have her there under my suspicion. And on the other hand, they might think that a reason to kill her. Oh no, I'm making this meaningless babbling. :rolleyes:

Valier's posting style also makes me suspicious. Don't ask why. It's just a gut-feeling.

Sleepy hides well behind his rockstar-role, so he doesn't have to show much of his real thoughts. A good tactic for a wolf? But the long post he made at the bottom of the previous page makes me less suspicious about him. That was no roleplaying; it was commenting comments.

The others don't make me think about anything special, so maybe they are the most dangerous ones; the invisible ones.

[Mithalwen]

Well I threw a stone, the target had gone but it caused some interesting ripples... interesting but not particularly helpful.

Firefoot, now I have had time to take into account the time she was posting, I think was really out on her own with not much to react with. She probably was truly just trying to stir up discussion - but in 3 of the 4 games I have played before suspecting the first poster would have been justified so, for me it is worth a look.

At the time I posted last, Jenny was the second most frequent poster. I just put it down to a new comer trying too hard and gave her the benefit of the doubt then. It may well be that still hold true. Does 2 votes count as a bandwagon?
I don't know but I will not add to them now.

So I am not much further save that if I must go for a relatively random vote, I shall probably go for someone who hasn't contributed much... and by that I mean quality not quantity. Some people have only really posted references to their profession - I know there isn't a lot to go on on day one but ..... "frothy" posts give the impression that someone is active without actually helping.

However I would like explained why limiting the vote is better than people following their insticts however duff? If people choose from the 13 (effectively 12 others - suicidal votes are generally unhelpful) then at least all the wolves are in the pot - yes with all the gifted and ordos. If you limit it then you might be choosing from all innocents /gifteds.... or have I misunderstood the situation?

Time ot reread and see if there have been more posts while I pondered.

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, I'm afraid this will be my last post for the day. So, who to vote for?

Jenny's drawn quite a bit of attention. She's agressive in her accusations, and has hopped around quite a bit, taking one lead, then changing to another. That's very wolvish, but could also signify someone new to this whole game.

I don't trust Sleepy, especially with the way he attacked Jenny for little things so vehemently. However, he's also offered the point of his time contrictions and exams (that's the system trying to keep you down man) so I think it's only fair to let him be for today. Still don't like his arrogance, but I'll worry about that later.

Gandalf, well, this is his typicial behavior. As I understand it, he has limited access.

I'm afraid this is very difficult with so little to go on. I can draw my suspicions, but I can explain them away, too. In a word, I got nothing. So, it seems a semi-random vote is in order.


++Wilwa

Because she promised a more in depth post, and never delivered. Please stay safe tonight, my friends. I have a meeting with the Ents about lobbying for more environmentally friendly farming. Peace!

[Mithalwen]

Lommy, it was Valier who I was thinking of when I referred to the Frothy posting - perhaps that is it? Wilwa I hope will be back but I guess she has been in class. We all have places we have to be at times, I wouldn't necessarily suspect her for that. Let's face it we are all basically probably looking at an excuse to justify a random vote - too keen, too detatched, to frothy, weird job, bad shoes, too experienced, too inexperienced, too loud, too quiet .... take your pick....

[Thinlómien]

I'm probably soon being kicked off the computer so I have to vote.

There's nothing I can really base my suspicions on. In my previous post I pretty much suspect everyone (which actually is the same as not saying anything). My random/gut-feeling/I-don't-like-useless-posts-though-I'm-making-them-all-the-time -vote goes to
++Wilwarin.

Good night.

EDIT: cross-posted with Roa and Mith

[Eonwe]

To clarify:

Jenny is leading by an almost 50% majority in the posting category. Many of her posts consit of making slight alterations to earlier statements/theories, and then continuing on to a new statement/theory. Repeated about seven times. Basically, she doesn't have much to say of worth. (No offense intended, by the way.)

She is reacting to the conversation in a way that I don't like. She amends much of what she says, picking up on what others say, and flowing with other people's ideas about her own ideas.

That's really it. Like I said, of course I don't have any proof (even slightly gelatinous proof, much less hard facts). If you want to question my vote, I want to question yours, because, unless a wolf makes a really big mistake, there just isn't much for science and logics to work with. Nobody is going to be making very informed opions today.

EDIT:

Lommy, I'm glad you realize your reason for voting wilwa is just as applicable to yourself... :D

[Mithalwen]

Well so that is Wilwa and Jenny even at 2 each with Elu and Gandalf at 1 each. It is the first to reach the total in the event of a tie.. so that means that Jenny is ahead. But we have 9 votes and about half an hour to go.

I guess we have to be grateful that there aren't double lynchings. Lommy and Roa voted similtaneously so no bandwaggon there.

Eonwe and Sleepy seem to be arguing because they voted for the same person presumably to establish that they have come to the same conclusion independently and are not band waggoning.

Is anyone else out there?

[Nogrod]

I have just been reading these earlier messages, and am quite astonished.

One thing I think is quite clear. We are not having stupid wolves around. So at least for this moment my doubts about Jenny are quite gone. (Sorry Jenny: don't hint that you are stupid, but that I no longer believe, that you were the over-anxious wolf trying to get someone else blamed)

Why I think we have clever wolfs around? Well there hasn't been much of a teamplay, that could be seen straight away. Although I'm not sure about the case of Eonwe: she was chivalrously rescued by two knights (Roa & Folwren)... that could raise an eyebrow.

But maybe I'm just overreacting.

Or just trying to have at least a semi-ground for my own vote?

Half-an-hour to go. I'll just think for a second

[Eonwe]

Something like that... :D Well I was going to vote for her first! :p

EDIT:

I am a male. ;)

[JennyHallu]

One thing I think is quite clear. We are not having stupid wolves around. So at least for this moment my doubts about Jenny are quite gone.

Thank you.

There is still some time, so I'm going to wait and think a moment before I vote, but I did have a question.

Lommy, it was Valier who I was thinking of when I referred to the Frothy posting - perhaps that is it?

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but exactly what statement of Lommy's are you referring to, Mith? I got confused reading this sentence. It's a position I am becoming quite familiar with.

Before anyone else panics about my post count or my lack of commitment to any one potential wolf, I am NOT accusing, insinuating, or otherwise hinting ANYTHING about Lommy or Mith. I'm simply confused.

[Mithalwen]

Figures.

Anyway I have decided Valier says that the other villagers votes have been strange but hers have been the flimsiest of the lot. Not great grounds but better than voting for noone or someone who has made a real effort. Anyway I have voiced suspicion before so I won't repeat now time is limited.

++Valier

[Mithalwen]

Jenny, sorry, I realise I am sometimes unclear and since we aren't meant to edit ... I will clarify


Lommy said that something about Valier's posts didn't sit right. I had spoken about "frothy" posting making me suspicious and had been thinking about Valier in this context. She has posted quite a lot but never really said anything other than offer frivolous tactics - albeit in keeping with her job - ie looking at shoes and dancing ability. First days do lend themselves to frivolity but she just seemed maybe to be trying to fly under the radar. That means she is trying not to raise suspicion by either being too loud or too quiet - both things that have been high lighted as suspicious. However bland can be suspicious too.

Does that explain?

[Nogrod]

Last lap starting.

So:
Jenny & Wilwarin 2 votes
Elu, Gandalf & Valier 1 vote

I'm going to contyinue spreading the vote (and not becoming responsible for someones death).

So I vote HIM , over whom I have a slight suspicion more than to others.

++Eonwe

PS. Sorry Eonwe. I try to remember your sex from now on...

[Mithalwen]

In case that didn't make the connection explicit:

I thought that the thing that made Lommy uneasy about Valier might be the same thing that made me uneasy ie insubstatial posting. But of course she voted for Wilwa and left before answering.......

[JennyHallu]

Well the time has come...

As everyone has observed, my suspicions are fairly widely arrayed. I do not however, wish to die on the first Day in the only village I have ever known. For that reason alone, along with her quietness, am I voting

++Wilwarin

[Folwren]

I don't have very long to vote. We were supposed to get our votes in 10 minutes before closing time. . .a thing which presses me sorely. I have lost a lot of time because. . .well, all of the sudden I had to ballance a check-book, so I haven't had time to read fully these last several posts.

However. . .I think I am going to vote for Valier. That puts three people tied at two. I'm sorry to see that if no one votes for anyone else, Jenny is the one to go. I am not voting for Jenny because I think she needs a chance to settle down and prove herself. Being new to the game. . .well, if she's a wolf, we'll figure out soon enough. We ought to give her some benefit of the doubt.

Valier, on the other hand. . .I don't know if she's played before, but she's added little help to the innocents this game, posting random posts and offering neither help to catch a wolf, nor telling us anything at all about herself.

Hence, I cast my vote

++Valier

"May the Lord and saints preserve us!"

-- Folwren

EDIT: Cross posted with Jenny. Mayhap there isn't a tie for three. . .

[Mithalwen]

I think it is Wilwa now..... can't balme Jenny for saving herself ... but I think Wilwa is paying dear for a possibly unavoidable absence..

[Nogrod]

Wilwarin 3
Jenny & Valier 2
Elu, Gandalf, Eonwe 1

That's my reckoning.

[JennyHallu]

I agree, Mith. I wish I'd waited just a moment longer...

[Mithalwen]

Barely 50% voting is a poor show ..... and gives fewer clues for later .... unless there is a small deluge in the dying minutes ..

[JennyHallu]

On the contrary, there have been 10 out of 13 votes. Only Wilwarin, Elu, and Gandalf have not voted.

[Kitanna]

Voting closed, expect Wilwa's death soon.

[Mithalwen]

Can't be helped - non retractable votes ..... at least you voted...... (NB it is helpful to keep 2 windows open to monitor for cross posts if you are composing a long reply ..but then 3 of us posted together earlier so it can't be avoided totally.)

NB Edit I am so stupid I just added 3,2 and 1!!!! Forgot it was 2 and 1 EACH!!!!!

[Kitanna]

Tensions rose and tempers flared as the villagers tried to pick the wolves from the rest. Finally they decided the resident math professor would be the one to die. Wilwa had been silent for far too long. Her silence unnerved the others, was she thinking of who she and her furry companions would kill this night? Such a thought was overwhelming.

“Get Wilwarin!” They screamed.

Armed with clubs, rocks, and one loaf of stale bread, the angry mob marched to Wilwa’s house. They found the silent village hunched over a notebook. “Probably a list of who will die next.” Someone screamed and the first blow was issued.

Never before had there been such a flogging in Squaresville. Upon finishing the merciless beating of Wilwa, the villagers stood by waiting for her to take her wolfish form. But the bruised and bloodied mass of flesh that had once been Wilwa did not change. Not one bit of fur sprouted from the wounds. Wilwa simply remained human. She had not been a werewolf.

Nogrod turned his eyes away from the carnage he had been a part of. He looked at the notebook Wilwa had been working on when they first stormed her room. Written amidst completed math formulas was a list of wolf suspects. Wilwa had been their hunter.

LIVING
Thinlómien ~ Penguin-fisher
JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
Eonwe ~ Hermit
Sleepy Ranger ~ Messiah of Rock 'n' Roll
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Roa_Aoife ~ Local protestor/ lobbyist
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Folwren ~ Seamstress
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death

Wolves may PM now. I need names from the wolves, ranger, and seer.

[Kitanna]

It was a long night for the villagers. Most of them had gone to bed with fear as a bedfellow, and apparently he hogs the blankets. They came out of their homes groggy, bags under their eyes, and totally cranky. Not one “good morning” was uttered as they assembled to discuss the werewolf problem.

One less villager was in their midst. Thinlómien was not there. Realizing the penguin fisher was not among them a group was sent to see what had been done to while she slept.

At first nothing seemed out of order at the penguin farm. Thinlómien’s house looked intact. The door was left ajar, but it didn’t look like there was much of a struggle to get in. Mithalwen was the first through the door, Valier and JennyHallu followed close behind.

“Thinlómien, are you in here?” Mithalwen called, peeking inside the bedroom.

“Oh, she’s here alright.” Valier called from the kitchen.

The other two joined her in the kitchen and saw that Valier spoke true. Lying face up on the floor was Thinlómien, her eyes were open in fear and her body was stiff as a board.

“It looks like she just died of fright.”

The three shared nervous glances, before bolting from the house. As the story of Thinlómien’s demise was retold to the village, three villagers were laughing on the inside.

LIVING
JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
Eonwe ~ Hermit
Sleepy Ranger ~ Messiah of Rock 'n' Roll
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Roa_Aoife ~ Local protestor/ lobbyist
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Folwren ~ Seamstress
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two

Wolves stop PMing, Day Two has begun.

[Folwren]

Wow. That was a shocker. I wasn't expected Lommy to be taken, and that's no joke. I was scared stiff that it was who I thought was the seer, but I'm not going to name it because that would be down right stupidity.

Want everyone to know now that I am not going to be here any longer than another hour and twenty minutes. Whether I vote or not today will depend highly on who all talks before I leave.

-- Folwren

[Eonwe]

I dunno. I had a fealing Lommy would bite it last night. She didn't leave much evidence, having only been on for 3 1/2 hours, which would have been a plus for teh wolves. And having voted for Wilwa, she wasn't going to be leaving a trail. Also, nobody was suspecting her. But the main thing is how late she arrived.

[Folwren]

The wolves, as far as I can reason, generally don't kill the questionable people, do they? You'd think they'd . . . heck, what'm I doing, giving the wolves suggestions? Never mind. I won't tell you what wolves should do as a general practice.

I'm still surprised. She was the last person I expected killed. . .besides Jenny.

-- Folwren

[Firefoot]

First of all, let me tell you how happy I was to come home yesterday and find that you all actually could talk!! ;) Seriously, the discussion was nice, even if I was the topic of a lot of it (at least early on).

Several people noted that my posts seemed contradictory... that's because they were. My own opinion was in that first post; the other two plans were mostly to stimulate discussion.

For the record, here is yesterday's voting. Innocents are underlined, the second number is the order in which everyone voted:

Gandalf – 1 (Firefoot 1)
Jenny – 2 (Sleepy 2, Eonwe 4)
Elu – 1 (Valier 3)
Wilwa – 3 (Roa 5, Lommy 6, Jenny 9)
Valier – 2 (Mith 7, Folwren 10)
Eonwe – 1 (Nogrod 8)

Did not vote: Elu, Wilwa, Gandalf

In my experience, it is generally not the wolves who do not vote. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I certainly would not accuse Elu or Gandalf based on that.

Okay, now my really long analysis of yesterday. It doesn't take into account Lommy's death.

Jenny – Casts some suspicion on people based on careers; random suspicion on Eonwe, but supports Mithalwen (who hasn’t even posted yet); suggests vote for last contributor; does Day 1 “analysis” based solely on people’s careers; jumps on Mithalwen’s suspicion of me and comments about how much I seemed to contradict myself – rather vindictively; promptly backs off at Folwren’s suspicion of her; defends herself to Sleepy and advises him to be more careful; declares she is not doing any accusing or insinuating at all about Lommy or Mith; votes Wilwa for her quietness. Okay, a lot jumped out at me about her. One thing I did notice was that she seemed to be leaning on Mithalwen a bit and it occurred to me early on that there might be some kind of wolvish pairing there, made obvious by Jenny’s inexperience. She does seem rather eager to please, though it could be inexperience as people have pointed it out to be. Her vote for Wilwa is not what I would call incriminating, but it doesn’t help her stance either. Jenny is on my suspicion list.

Eonwe – a few short posts; votes for Jenny; clarifies his reasoning for his vote, that is rather flippant and flip-floppy posting. Even though not much jumped out at me in his individual posts, my overall impression of him was pretty good. He seems careful without being cautious, and did not seem particularly wolvish to me.

Sleepy Ranger – rather careless in ascribing Jenny’s strategy to me, comes down hard on Jenny and votes for her; gets rather down on himself and advises the village just to lynch him. Sleepy seems too careless to be a wolf, too joking as well. The latter part doesn’t necessarily mean anything since that’s just sort of the way he is, but he seemed rather carefree. He isn’t in the clear, but he’s not particularly suspicious to me either.

Roa – Says Jenny is hasty, supports careful evaluation; is somewhat suspicious of both Jenny and Sleepy; continued expression of her desire to see Lommy post; isn’t quite sure about Jenny and Sleepy, votes for Wilwa based mostly on her absence. Roa seems quite innocent to me. Her advice was good, and her general impressions of people seemed reasonable. She’s on my probably-innocent list. Once more, I don’t see anything particularly outstanding about the vote for Wilwa.

Valier – Talk about shoes; does not advise long, analytic posts because she says it brings suspicion; says long posts confuse her; votes for Elu at random despite the recent increased substance of posting. I don’t have much of an impression about her – she’s very… up. I’d like to see her calm down, I guess, and post some more substantial feelings, ideas, something. In the middle of the suspicion chart.

Nogrod – apparently some random suspicion; agrees some kind of plan would be good, is one of the few to actually suggest something useful in the early posting; emphasizes his point that he will be looking among the people who are too much of anything: quiet, talkative, friendly, helpful, etc.; is clearly thinking about his vote, wonders if there is anything significant about the voting thus far; votes Eonwe. Gut instinct says he is probably innocent. Nothing for sure, but I did think his vote for Eonwe was a little strange as I don’t see a whole lot suspicious about Eonwe. Even so, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.

Elu – Joking. His computer troubles were understandable, but I would still like to see much more out of him in the coming Days. I don’t really have anything to say about him.

Gandalf – Claims he is not smart at this. Yes, I voted for Gandalf, and like I said, it really was mostly random. Of the people who had posted thus far I picked one of the people who had really contributed very little. I don’t have any idea what to think about him; I’d like to hear more out of him.

Folwren – a very sensible post of some length, understands what I was trying to do and defends me, first notes Jenny’s apparent desperation; then accepts Jenny’s explanation; still talking sense in responses to others’ comments; votes Valier. I have a strong feeling about Folwren’s innocence. She responded very sensibly to people’s posts and often stated the same feelings as I was having. I’m not writing her off yet, but I don’t feel very suspicious of her at all right now.

Mithalwen – expresses some suspicion at me mostly for being rather vocal in the very early stages (someone finally provides some substance!); decides to give Jenny benefit of the doubt and eases on her suspicion of me; calls Valier’s posting frothy (I rather like this term – very appropriately descriptive); consistent with her suspicions she votes Valier for flimsiness. Mithalwen seemed very steady and consistent, which is definitely a good sign. She hasn’t said anything to send up warning signs, and except for Jenny’s apparent affinity for her, I would say she is probably innocent.

And, for the record, here's what I was going to say about Lommy:

Lommy – is suspicious of Wilwa, Valier, Sleepy, and is confused about me; votes for Wilwa somewhat randomly. Mostly, I thought she was talking sensibly and I couldn’t fault her for anything that she said. That doesn’t prove her innocence, and she’s certainly a smart one, but I don’t think she’s a wolf, even if she did vote for the now-known innocent Wilwa.

Also for the record, I will regularly be voting early like that except on weekends. I just don't get home early enough.

[Elu Ancalime]

Well my computer troubles are over, but as we all know it is exams time...up, and for that means Chemistry! Evil Stoicometry....well anyways...

Lommy came to me as a bit...well, odd. I dont remember her being specifically suspicous of anybody....
Well I'm anxious to see what others think of this random murder.....I also just made this connection-Lommy was associated with Penguins, yes? And Wilwa had the Butterfly thing goin on....perhaps Squaresville is merely caught in the middle of a gurella war between werebirds and wolves, like i hypothesized earlier....who knows? Maybe then we can guess who the wolves will get next....eek, did I just accuse myself? Ah, me...but I have a concert tonite, so expect (perhaps) a response at....well I dont really know. 8:30ish? But concerts may drag on....
But the main thing is how late she arrived.
Well, she obviously wasnt a Wizard....

Ok I apologize for the jokes but right now I really cant comprehend much since there have only been a few 'wow' posts and an analysis.

-Elu
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[Folwren]

Thanks, Firefoot, for our voting records and your opinion of people. I'd say it was helpful. Thanks for your kind words concerning me, glad to hear that my posts are at least somewhat sensible. I do my best, you know.

I guess I shouldn't be expecting too much talking today, other than stuff from Firefoot, but I can't possibly vote unless others write something and I feel more confident, one way or another. Unless I vote from what I feel about yesterday. . .

But, there's still time. Some. . .a very little.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

I cross posted my last post with Elu.

Wanted to say, there may not be many posts from today, but there were several things said yesterday that you might try to comment on. Or at least you could try to say something interesting and helpful concerning Firefoot's post. . .you could have, you know. . .

[Elu Ancalime]

Well, Firefoot's post is nice, because although it has her opinions, there is fact (snnipets of what they did) so I see it as more of a Halftime-Report more than what she likes and dislikes about them. One of things you have to be careful about (not exclusivly Firefoot's post, but opinions in general) is to extract fact from bias and personal anaysis.

X Post with Folwren

I still am a bit frustrated by Valier saying I play my trumpet horribly....Maybe she has two left paws-I mean feet? Not that I am wholly suspicous, aside from that comment and the 'random' vote....
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[Folwren]

Yes, it is a hard thing, sometimes, to seperate fact from bias, and something you have to be careful about. But seeing people's annalysis of everyone is helpful. I would do it myself and should have done it before, but now I really don't have time. I don't know if we're any farther along today then we were yesterday. It really is a sad thing that we killed our Hunter with our own hands, and though it's cruel to say so, perhaps it's a good thing that the wolves killed Lommy and didn't hit on the Seer or the Ranger. We can just hope that the ranger will be able to pick up on the seer's whereabouts before the wolves do. . .

My point is - yesterday's lynching and last night's killing has helped us in the least. All that will help us now is some posts that's not full of nonsense, but that is full of people's thoughts of the other players and what's happened.

Right now, my thoughts, put simply (because I don't have time to put them any other ways) is this

Valier yesterday and Elu today seem to be speaking hardly anything but nonesense. I know Elu has hardly talked at all today and that only an hour and twenty or so minutes has past since morning broke, but you haven't really offered anything substantiel. Valier didn't give anything of any purpose yesterday. Her vote was random, and it was for Elu. Still don't know what to make of that. I voted for Valier yesterday because I thought her post about people not making long posts but still talking or something like that was kind of. . .unreasonable. She's unsure of herself.

Firefoot, I think, is sensible and doesn't seem, to me, to be wishing anyone harm. She seems to know what's best for this village and it appears that we think are thinking along the same lines in some things. . .for instance, useful talk is good.

Eonwe. . .very careful in what he says and does. Only posted a few things yesterday, gave a good reason for his vote, I think.

Mith seems reasonable. She appears to be trying to think things out like any ordinary, blind villager might. She directed her attention and others towards one or two people, but she wasn't pointing right and left and she was generally fairly reserved in doing it, unlike. . .

Jenny. See what Firefoot wrote about her. I'm still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for being a new player, but as this day progresses, you who remain will have to decide that. The more she talks and plays, the more clear on which side she is will become, I think.

Roa. Little comment here. I liked most of what she wrote yesterday, though I'm still uncertain netirely. She was much like Mith except talked a bit more, I guess.

And. . .that's my dad callin', so I don't have time for more. Who was left?

Gandalf didn't talk much. No comment therefore.

Wilwa and Lommy are dead, and I would that they had both lived. I knew you'd made a mistake when you lynched her.

Oh, oh, oh. I neglected Nogrod and Sleepy. Argh. Sleepy, unsure. I'm inclined to think he's an ordo. Nogrod. . .I have my doubts, but can't explain.

I've really got to be going. I'm really, really sorry.

-- Folwren

[Elu Ancalime]

The only issue right now, is as you said, Valiers 'inconsistiscy' and 'frothy'ness. Seems a bit like shes been murmuring but that may be a sign of
'I dont know what im going to say after I murder somebody and dont know what I, as a wolf, should be doing as far as Villager-voting.'
But thats just a guess. Concert time.
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[Valier]

I can't believe Lommy is dead! I didn't expect that to happen! Well I've put away my dancing shoes and I think it is time to get down to buisness. I'm not so sure I get frothyness from my posts,but it was the first day and the reality of it all had not hit me yet.

I will do some reading of the posts and see what I can come up with. Am I correct in that there were three people who did not vote. Elu, Gandalf, and Wilwarin

[Eonwe]

Wilwa and Lommy are dead, and I would that they had both lived. I knew you'd made a mistake when you lynched her.

My thoughts exactly, about lynching wilwa. Wilwa is smart enough to be a good asset, and should have been saved for later, even if she was suspicious. which she was entirely not, seeing as if she had been a wolf, she wouldn't have let that happen to her. I put much more faith in her skills than that.

That bring me back to the first and last people to vote for wilwa: Roa and Jenny. And I think Jenny is by far teh more suspicious of the two.

[Roa_Aoife]

Ack! Poor Thin! I may not have have liked her hunting such a rare animal, but she was still a good nieghbor! And Wilwa? I certainly wasn't expecting her to get lynched. My vote was really half random, and I didn't really think anyone would follow it.

Thankyou, Firefoot and Folwren for the analysis. I think I'll save mine for when we have fewer villagers and more evidence. Besides, last game I did analysis, the wolves killed me that very night.

I have a few people that I'll be looking at much more closely today in mind, but I'm afraid I won't be able to post my questions for a few hours. I hope O find some good discussion has taken place when I return.

[Elu Ancalime]

Yes, Valier I did not vote, for I was experiancing technical difficulties, but I suppose its all right because it was the first day and not the fifth, and I wasnt decided on anything truly, so it might be all right....but not again.

X Post with Valier

But since I probably wont have a chance to vote again when I get home tomorrow....oooo this is a big risk...I will try and vote sometime 8-3 EST at school at the library....well.......nevermind too risky....

++JennyHallu

Because she has been quiet today: Maybe she wants to see some response to the murder of Lommy before posting? Seems like she waits until the last couple of hours to put her twoo-cents in. I wouldnt outright accuse her now, but she seems to be the most suspicous to me.
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[Roa_Aoife]

Have I retruned to find only one post? This isn't any good. When will society realize that issues can only be solved when they are not ignored? Really, where did everyone go?

I'll agree with Elu, Valier's post have all been very frothy, but she may eventually return to us with something of substance, as she said she would. I'd like to hear in her own words why she has posted this way. *pointed look in Valier's direction*

Elu, you've been very accusatory today of Valier. Is this because of her vote for you yesterday? You have little reasoning in your posts except her frothiness. And this confuses me:

But since I probably wont have a chance to vote again when I get home tomorrow....oooo this is a big risk...I will try and vote sometime 8-3 EST at school at the library....well.......nevermind too risky....

++JennyHallu

Because she has been quiet today: Maybe she wants to see some response to the murder of Lommy before posting? Seems like she waits until the last couple of hours to put her twoo-cents in. I wouldnt outright accuse her now, but she seems to be the most suspicous to me.

You say you won't accuse her outright, but you'll vote for her to be lynched instead? I understand time contraints, but still, I think I'd rather risk not voting than throw my vote away in such a manner. She's very suspicious, that's true, but I find your reasoning weak.

[Firefoot]

I'll be honest - one of the more frustrating things to me is when people post and really don't say anything, just joke around or say oh, wow, Thin's dead, let's do something. That is totally unhelpful. It isn't like there isn't anything to talk about - there is. I found plenty to say, and Folwren has made several useful comments. I'm not pointing out anyone in particular since there are a lot of you doing it, but my plea: when you post, try to bring something to the game. Say something useful. If you feel there's nothing to talk about, make something to talk about. Respond. Analyse. Defend yourself. Accuse someone. I don't really care. Just, please, say something helpful. And post. Please.

Sorry for the rant, but it is hard. I know I have to vote early, and I'd like there to be something new for me to consider when I vote, and at this rate nothing much seems to be happening.

I've been looking over Thinlomien's posts, and I'm not getting a whole lot out of them. She mentioned Wilwa, Sleepy, and Valier as being rather suspicious, but she said herself it was mostly a gut feeling. No one really accused her either. I think that's probably why the wolves went after her: she was pretty innocent-seeming, rather useful to the village, and she doesn't leave a trail for us to follow. I'd say that makes a sensible kill.

Folwren's comment about Eonwe being very careful about what he says and does really struck a chord with me. I had mentioned it before in my post, but I was thinking, and I realized that it's very true. "Careful" is something that I would more associate with wolves than innocents. It may not mean anything, he could just be a blind innocent trying not to blunder into the middle of everything and is trying to be careful, but it's showing up on my radar right now as trying to fly under the radar by posting but being too above reproach.

Cross-posting with Roa. Yes, I agree.

[Gandalf_the _white]

well once again my computer troubles are causing suspicsions but i'm used to it already :p so i'm not that bothered :D its unlucky that our hunter should die on the first day!! but no-one could guess that and from what i've seen of the posts they were random votes. Because of my computer troubles, whenever i'm online i'll probally vote, so if I make early votes thats why.
Ok this early in the game I still don't see anyone as suspicsious(spl?) but i'm not as good at spotting stuff anyway so my vote will be random.
btw valier yes you are right.

[Mithalwen]

I have to be quick now but I just wanted to say that I am here.... I know a lot of folk won't be and that is a hindrance. I certainly will want to see something substantial from Valier today to give me reason to change my vote from yesterday. I don't have to vote quickly though so ..... thsoe of you who can't be here to the end please still vote thoughtfully. I think Gandalf pointed out yesterday (a brief appearance but at least not a "frothy" one (yay I coined a phrase of popularity!!!) that keeping quiet is a good wolvish strategy (at least for a while) ...however quietness can also just mean unavoidable circumstances - as we discovered to our cost with Wilwa yesterday.

More later .... good to see some proper discussion today -I want to be able to give it the attention it deserves.

BTW Roa - I thought Thinlomien fished with penguins not for them!!!!

[Firefoot]

Well, this is disappointing. I have to vote now, and there has been all of one post since I went to bed.

I had a thought just now. I commented earlier that I thought that Nogrod's vote for Eonwe was strange. However, since I have come to suspect Eonwe a little bit more, I can see a possibility of a wolf voting for another wolf just to take suspicion off of one of them if the other should die - a "look, I voted for another wolf, I must be innocent" scenario.

In fact, that's how I'm going to vote.

++Nogrod

[Eonwe]

Well, gandalf, i don't think they were random votes for wilwa. At least not jenny. I actually kind of blame her for that. Unless she is a gifted herself, she should have taken the rap, instead of weasling out and taking the risk of killing a gifted. That is waht i would have done, assuming I was and ordo. But I do realize the temptaion to stay in your first game ever, so im not blaming you that much Jenny. I just don't like how your acting as a whole. I thik i willl prolly vote for Jenny later today, if nothing else delvelops.

Other tahn that, i can't really find any suspious people. Mith, firefoot and Folwren are all looking pretty good to me, but they are teh type taht would look good if they were wovles, if you know waht i mean. That is just how they would play. So that doen't clear them by a long shot, in my book, but you know, you have to start somewhere.

I agree with Firefoot. That is always one of my big frustrations in werewolf, especially the first day. Everyone comes out blazing away, but waht really do they have to go on, execpt occupations? Nothign really. I don't really mind joking around, as long as it doens't degenerate into accuations. You ahve to have some basis for a vote on day one, and I dont' really mind if it is a joke, because there is nothing else, if you are playing against wolves of high quility. Anyway, that is my two cnets.

I have to get to class. I might be able to vote in another hour, or if not, sometime after 1 pm, my time. It is now 8:56. Class starts in four minutes.... :(

[Sleepy Ranger]

Argh! I have absolutely no idea whats going on because of my silly exam tomorrow. Right since I woke up its been talk to Jess, study, study, study, study. Yes I haven't even had time to eat properly... so kindly excuse my absence from the game today. If I do vote it'll be a completely random vote going by gut feelings or I'll probably just vote for myself so as not to place the Seer or Ranger at risk.

Yours Mess-Mindedly,
Sleepy Ranger

PS: Tomorrow I'm acing my birthday and celebrating my exam! :D

[JennyHallu]

Agh...villagers, do you not listen? I am not at home, I am at my MIL's for a funeral. This means it is very difficult for me to post.

I think I will be able to get on at least once later, but I am not sure. I am sure enough though that I will not vote just yet.

I am very sorry for Wilwarin's death. I am aware that I was the last to vote for her, and that indeed, my vote killed her. However, that vote was a tiebreaker to save myself, and I waited until 10 minutes before the deadline to cast it. I wish I had waited 5 minutes more--I cross-posted with Folwren, and had I seen her post, I would have voted differently.

Eonwe, I am sorry that my over-eagerness yesterday, combined with my silence today, has caused to to suspect me, but please understand over-eagerness is the sole cause of my silliness yesterday. And the first few posts based on careers were purely silliness, as was, originally, my irrational trust of Mithalwen. Muffins are good, no one can argue, and I was hungry yesterday. However, Mithalwen's response, with its trust of me and sense, was very appreciated as I realized how my overposting had brought suspicion down on me. I do trust Mithalwen, as it would have been easy at that point to turn that suspicion against me into an attack I couldn't have escaped from.

[Eonwe]

I can buy that, but only on some very cautious grounds. After all, you can say anything you want, right? Especially when you have the type of job you said you have: sedentary, and by a computer. Was there ever a better job for a 'Downer? :p ;)

Also, I didn't say I suspect you for your silence today. I don't offen go off silence for my suspicions. There is too much stuff that can interfere from RL, and I understand that. Espcially when it is a funeral. Very sorry about that, by the way.

Anyway, lets try and get some things discussed, shall we?

[Valier]

Wow I was sure there would be more posts for me to analyse today, but I see there is not. I must vote early again due to school, I have no clue who to vote for yet! I will post an analyses soon!

[Valier]

Well this is the best I can do with the limited posts

Jenny: She was overly talkative and loud the first day and is now quiet due to a funeral. I tend to think she is innocent, or a VERY cunning wolf. voted for Wilwarin our Hunter

Eonwe: Says Mith, Firefoot and Folwren are more than likely ordo's, but says they could be really good wolves. I agree with a lot of his? posts. voted forJenny

Sleepy Ranger: Exams have made him quiet, I don't know what to think of him yet. I would like to see some more posts from him. voted for Jenny

Roa: She agree's I've been frothy and wants to know why I post that way.Sorry it was the first day!! voted for Wilwarin our Hunter

Nogrod: pretty quiet so far, thinks the wolves must be very clever Voted for Eonwe

Elu Alcalime: I think your posts are just weird! Oh and I guess someone should tell you, you are supposed to be in invisible mode!(I can see you!)Did not vote

Gandalf: I am never sure of Gandy, he is always quiet, but he always seems to slip under the radar. Maybe we should lynch him now to be on the safe side. Did not vote

Folwren: Very talkative. He's not sure if I have played before (I have a bunch of times, thank you) I'm sorry I've been no help, But IT WAS THE FIRST DAY!!! voted for Valier

Mithalwen: She also thinks I'm frothy and I must be trying to fly under the radar! Like I said earlier I love the spotlight! I have nothing to hide!!! Voted for Valier

[Nogrod]

The rest of the seasons' weed is now packed and sealed!

I'll have to gather first, what you have discussed today, before saying more.

But. Just informing you, that I'm back again.

[Valier]

Well there's only three hours left till deadline and theres only been one vote and nothing of substance for posts. I might have to post again soon with my vote. I was trying to wait till the last possible moment before I leave for the day.

Edit: 2 votes so far
Firefoot-For Nogrod
Elu-For Jenny

[Roa_Aoife]

I return from lobbying for better treatment of ponies ((work)) to find such a quiet village. I agree with Firefoot- this is very frustrating. So many people have been quiet today! And many of those speaking have done nothing useful. Folwren and Firefoot seem to be offering the best analysis. Valier, even if it was the first day, many people managed to post something of substance, so that's hardly useful.

I'm afraid I won't be able to get back on till after the day is over, so I'm going to have to vote now.

I don't trust Elu, but with his time contraints he isn't here to defend himself, and I think it's rather unfair to attack him in that light. I will definitely be keeping an eye on him in the future though.

I'm inclined to think Jenny's eagerness is related to her newbie (no offense) status. And again, she isn't here to defend herself. (Why are all the suspicious people absent today?)

So, I'm going for the third on my list.

++Valier

She's jumpy and eager to please, but still manages to add no new information to the table. Good night, dear neighbors.

[Mithalwen]

OK I have just finished work and need to read properly but theree is something I really needto get off my chest. This really belongs on the discussion thread but it is clear that not everyone checks this. If they did I wouldn't need to post it. So fully aware of possible consequences for me should suspicions about her be founded, here goes.

Jenny Hallu posted on the 15th in the WWJ thread that she had to return home for a funeral.

I have limited internet acess and so I am predisposed to others in the same predicament. Nevertheless if I join a game I do try to give it as much time as I can. I am getting slightly exasperated by people who join when they know they will have other commitments but to suggest that someone would fake or exploit a bereavement as a strategy is frankly obscene.

This is a game and we "murder in jest" but we all have real lives. Do not forget that behind the game and the silly screen names there are real people and they are going through real sorrow.

I know many of you are a lot younger than I am and I hope sincerely that you have suffered fewer significant bereavements, therefore I am sure people have spoken thoughtlessly rather than with deliberate cruelty. Nevertheless there are somethings that are not fit for jokes.

Right I have said my piece. I will try not to let the cheap shots at an easy target affect the way I play the rest of the game.

[Valier]

She's jumpy and eager to please, but still manages to add no new information to the table. Good night, dear neighbors.


Sorry to say Roa but there is no new information yet and as trying to please anyone that's absurd! I only wish to kill us a wolf.

I thought that my analisis of everyone and how I feel was information.I think in games like this there becomes key players that the wolves are afraid to kill and the villagers tend to follow. I believe key players now are Firefoot, Mithalwen, Folwren, and Roa. So theres only 2 hours left and I must be off so I will vote for.

++Mithalwen

Not for retribution for her vote for me yesterday but, because I think she is a clever wolf.

[Nogrod]

Even as I confess being one of the causes for the quieteness around here today, I still think, this is quite bad.

Everyone has applauded Firefoot's and Folwren's thoughtful mails. And so do I. Even though I must disagree with Firefoot's last conclusions concerning myself.

With respect, I still have to question her logic or reasons for her behaviour on that one. First she says, that she found my vote for Eonwe strange. After that, she has come to suspect Eonwe as I said I kind of suspected. So what follows? A vote for me... If Firefoot just wanted to make me react and start posting something, there could be less heavy ways for doing it than a vote to lynch one? (Anyhow, she could have read my post at the discussion thread, that I wouldn't be online untill very late)

But why did I then suspected Eonwe in the first place, and why now too?

Well. He came very rapidly and powerfully defended (by Roa & Folwren) after being accused the first day. Still I had no idea, whether both saving knights would be wolves themselves - that kind of action might be quite stupid. So not knowing, which one of them to suspect, I could still think, that the object of this saving operation (and throwing the shadow over Jenny) was a wulf. All this, of course presuming, this scenario had any truth in it...

Remember: the first day, and no good leads anywhere. This tiny one the only I found.

Then today one interesting remark on the thread, post 88, by Eonwe.

My thoughts exactly, about lynching wilwa. Wilwa is smart enough to be a good asset, and should have been saved for later, even if she was suspicious. which she was entirely not, seeing as if she had been a wolf, she wouldn't have let that happen to her. I put much more faith in her skills than that.

That bring me back to the first and last people to vote for wilwa: Roa and Jenny. And I think Jenny is by far teh more suspicious of the two.

So. Some suspicion / distaste (because "causing" hunters death) could be seen over both Jenny and Roa. Now Eonwe coming to support Roa? And Roa helped Eonwe yesterday.

Someone talked about co-operation being quite wulfish. Surely, they are the only ones' that can do that by PM. I could be persuaded to see some here...

But as I said earlier, this is very little indeed.

Just to answer the doubts questioning my reasons to vote for Eonwe.

[Sleepy Ranger]

playing it safe,

++Sleepy Ranger

[Mithalwen]

Oh great, that is so helpful... now we have self votes as well as spite votes.

Folwren and Firefoot have both posted reasonable, substantial analyses. It would be foolish to trust anyone completely but they are reliable people to have around. I am not sure I agree with either about Nogrod. I have enough problem trusting my own hunches without risking other peoples.

I will really have to think about my vote. I stated my intention earlier but.... I have a natural resistance to "tit for tat" voting. Hmmm

[Nogrod]

Folwren and Firefoot have both posted reasonable, substantial analyses. It would be foolish to trust anyone completely but they are reliable people to have around. I am not sure I agree with either about Nogrod. I have enough problem trusting my own hunches without risking other peoples.


Sorry. But I was just trying to give some reasons for voting Eonwe the first day, because I had myself been voted on the basis of that vote today, on grounds, that my vote was "strange". How many not-strange decisions have been made yesterday or today?

I think, I said quite clearly that:
a) They were the tiny little & only one thing I had to base my vote on
b) Even if i had found something supporting my first-day ideas today, I definitely said that they were very little indeed

So, I was defending my vote, not accusing anyone straight ahead. As I said yesterday: better to vote with even the slightest of idea, why, than by pure chance. So in a way I think exactly as you do: not just hunches, but ideas, even fragile ones'. Or then not voting at all, of course...

[Mithalwen]

So with 25 minutes to go it seems that Nogrod, Sleepy, Valier, Jenny and I have a vote each.

I would do more analysis but it seem pointless at this stage if noone else is around.


So as things stand. Jenny dies? So I could save her and myself with my vote ..... I think her innocent but ..if I am wrong ...and another innocent dies as a result... I dislike such power. IS anyone else voting?

[Nogrod]

I am, I think. Not sure.

Don't like this situation at all.

[Mithalwen]

Sorry. But I was just trying to give some reasons for voting Eonwe the first day, because I had myself been voted on the basis of that vote today, on grounds, that my vote was "stange". How many not-strange decisions have been made yesterday or today & am I the only one who has to give reasons votes? :p

I think I said quite clearly that:
a) They were the tiny little & only one thing I had to base my vote
b) Even if i had found something supporting my first-day ideas, I definitely said that they were very little indeed

So, I was defending my vote, not accusing anyone straight ahead. As I said yesterday: better to vote with even the slightest of idea, why, than by pure chance. So in a way I think exactly as you do: not just hunches, but ideas, even fragile ones'. Or then not voting at all, of course...


Oh I am doomed to be misunderstood..... I menat that I didn't agree with their suspicion of you on - I think Folwren said " a funny feeling".... sometimes funny feelings are right but the wrong conclusions can be drawn....... I don't want to be more explicit ... since as I said hunches can be misleading... and I am having enough trouble with the vote to go into it now....

[Mithalwen]

Well to vote for someone with no votes unless we concur is tokenism. Otherwise it is a choice of Jenny or one of the others. Of course we both have the power to save ourselves unless we vote for each other. I have no intention of voting for you. :rolleyes:

If I vote it will be either for Valier - becasue I have suspected her more or less since get go and I think her posts contribute little - or we could put Sleepy out of his misery..... :p

[Nogrod]

I do think Jenny deserves the benefit of doubt anyhow, at least now.

Not voting someone of us or two people someone other, she will die.

Sleepy was kind of suspicios, and this self-vote is odd. Passive, chivalric or cunning wulf-tactics?

Valier?

Doubleposted with Mith.

[Valier]

I managed to get home quickly!! I beg you villagers I am innocent please don't kill me !!

[Nogrod]

Of course we both have the power to save ourselves unless we vote for each other. I have no intention of voting for you. :rolleyes:


No intention to shake that balance... :D

So Valier or Sleepy (or someone third)?

15 minutes...

[Mithalwen]

Either ...... I want to keep Jenny I believe her innocent ..... I do suspect Valier but Sleepy has opted out

[Valier]

I will do a little dance for you as long as you don't kill me!!!

[Mithalwen]

Really it is 2 and in the circumstances that is a big ask Valier....

[Mithalwen]

Nogrod if we double post again..... you know the first of our votes will be the clincher?

[Valier]

Ok kill me then you will see! I may be a bit "Frothy" but I have no hidden fur!

[Nogrod]

This drives me nuts!

For Sleepy there could be a case made: being suspicious and then acting out in melodramatically chivalric manner...

Don't have so much a case against Valier, even though the "hunch" doesn't set her quite free of doubt.

[Nogrod]

I might go for Sleepy, if you don't have a case against Valier?

[Mithalwen]

Valier - your posts have been frothy and you have accused me without foundation ..... but at least you are here and I hate self posting - it is a cop out.

Guess I can vote for you tomorrow if I survive the night.

++ Sleepy Ranger

[Mithalwen]

Nogrod - my case against Valier is out there to be read..... but it will keep .....

[Mithalwen]

Sorry - I thought we had to vote by 10 to nine........ oh dear .....

[Nogrod]

We shall share the burden in front of the other villagers.

++ Sleepy Ranger

[Mithalwen]

Nogrod did you just delete a post suggesting a third option or have I gone mad with the stress?

[Kitanna]

Voting closed, expect Sleepy's death soon.

[Mithalwen]

Thank you. I hope he wasn't gifted and that Jenny is innocent....

[Nogrod]

Nogrod did you just delete a post suggesting a third option or have I gone mad with the stress?

I did, because you had already voted.

Wisdom that comes late is always so irresistible... :confused:

[Kitanna]

Seeing the way things had turned that Day, Sleepy Ranger grabbed his guitar and decided to hightail it out of Squaresville. The Rock ‘n’ Roll Messiah simply was not ready for death; especially at the hands of those he had once called friends. So, with guitar in hand, Sleepy slipped quietly out of his house just as it was decided that he was a werewolf by the other villagers.

The villagers arrived at his home and were angered to find Sleepy gone. They tore apart everything trying to find him, but it was too late. The rocker was already miles out of town.

The sun was setting and darkness crept over the land. Sleepy walked along, getting as far away as he could from Squaresville. But the greatest danger was actually waiting just outside of town.

With the death of so many villagers, everyone had forgotten about the penguins of Thinlómien, they had not been fed at all. Now the usually peaceful creatures had gotten lose and were searching for their meal. Sleepy thought he had escaped the frying pan, but now he was in the fire.

As he headed down the path he heard the odd flapping of webbed feet on dirt. Sleepy quickened his pace, but so did the flapping. In a panic he dropped his guitar and bolted for the road. But the penguins were fast, soon the hungry birds descended upon the rock god.

In savagery seen only on the Discovery Channel Sleepy Ranger was reduced to a bloody mass of penguin food. He eyes were pulled out with the beaks, his gut ripped open with webbed feet, his guts poured all over the ground. There is nothing more terrifying than a penguin feeding frenzy.

LIVING
JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
Eonwe ~ Hermit
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Roa_Aoife ~ Local protestor/ lobbyist
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Folwren ~ Seamstress
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two
Sleepy Ranger (ordo) ~ Eaten by penguins on Day Two

Night Three has begun, I need Ranger, Wolf, and Seer picks.

[Kitanna]

I apologize for the delay
It was a confusing night and once again the villager gathered to discuss. Like the past two days they woke to find one villager missing. It was the mild mannered seamstress, Folwren.

No one had any hope for her being alive. With heavy hearts the villagers trudged off to Folwren’s house. Her door had been forced open and it was clear she had struggled to hold the wolves back.

They found Folwren’s body next to her sewing machine. The wolves had made a mockery of her humble work by sewing her mouth shut and with hot pink thread at that. But what surprised them more than anything was the broad sword that protruded from Folwren’s abdomen.

No one had seen it before, but slowly two plus two became four. The sword had been Folwren’s secret, she had been their ranger and now their protection against the wolves was gone.

LIVING
JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
Eonwe ~ Hermit
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Roa_Aoife ~ Local protestor/ lobbyist
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two
Sleepy Ranger (ordo) ~ Eaten by penguins on Day Two
Folwren (ranger) ~ Sewed shut and run through on Night Three

[Nogrod]

This is catastrophic! If we continue playing like this, we propably lynch our seer before this day is over!

There are now 9 people left in the village: so the balance of villagers vs. Wolves is 6-3. If these two “non-posters” (Gandalf & Elu) are villagers, the balance stands at only 4-3! We might as well cut our own throats. Then we could at least decide ourselves when and how we die!

[Firefoot]

Well, those are sad tidings indeed. Folwren provided many a thoughtful comment during the day, and I was as confident of her innocence as I have been about anyone's. Her insights - and her protection at night - will be sorely missed.

Jenny – 1 (Elu 1)
Nogrod – 1 (Firefoot 2)
Valier – 1 (Roa 3)
Mithalwen – 1 (Valier 4)
Sleepy – 3 (Sleepy 5, Mith 6, Nogrod 7)

Did not vote: Gandalf, Eonwe, Jenny, Folwren

Let me say that I was rather disappointed when I found that you had chosen to go ahead and lynch Sleepy. Most wolves aren't going to vote for themselves, not at this point in the game where a vote for just about anyone could be justified. He called it a "safe vote" - meaning that he wasn't gifted - but come on, how is it helping the villagers if we vote ourselves out?? We have to focus on catching wolves here. There aren't that many of us. Now, we're down to 2/3 villagers and 1/3 wolves - not what I would call good odds. If we mess up just two more times, the wolves have got us. Now, the seer has had three dreams - now, if all three of the subjects of those dreams were alive, I might almost see some validity in the seer revealing themselves. But if one or more of them are dead, then no.

However we do it, we villagers have some hard-core wolf hunting to do. We can't afford to screw up.

So here's who we have left:

Probably Innocent:
Mithalwen
Roa
And me, of course

Suspicious:
Jenny
Eonwe
Nogrod

Unknown:
Gandalf
Valier
Elu

Nogrod - perhaps my reasons for voting for you yesterday weren't the best, but it's been the best scenario that I have been able to find of possible wolvishness. I still haven't let that idea of a Eownwe-Nogrod alliance go, but I would like to explore other possibilities today. I would especially like to hear more concrete ideas from Gandalf, Valier, and Elu - but I want to hear them from everyone. If we don't start discussing better, the wolves will win almost guaranteed.

I will be looking into Folwren's death more later, to see if I can't find anything other than her apparent innocence and helpfulness to the village as incentive to kill her.

[Roa_Aoife]

I agree with Nogrod. This is getting rediculous! We have nothing to go on because no one will talk. How can we expect to catch the wolves like this? I for one am going back to study Folwren's posts and see what he came up with. I invite you all to go back and see what you can find. PLEASE.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Firefoot. Thanks Firefoot.

[Valier]

Wow I was not expecting that! Our Ranger and our Hunter! Well so much has been going on...Not

Ok so here are my thoughts:

Gandalf did not vote again! I think there should be a penalty for not voting two nights in a row. We know Jenny was busy.

Hmmmm I still think there is always key players like I said earlier, but most of the time they are just loud innocents. My vote yesterday for Mith was sort of random, I just think she could be a clever wolf. I also hadn't heard much from her defending herself or posting any ideas until after I had already voted.

Oh yea I promised a little dance for not killing me!(*does some weird Jig*)

Ok well it is really important that we do not kill another innocent today! We should lynch someone who has posted a fair bit and we can get a slight grasp on. The quiet ones are too risky to lynch now, we can't afford another mistake.

[Roa_Aoife]

Folwren's activity-
Day 1
Notes Jenny is overly aggressive and Sleepy is overly nice. Defends Firefoot. Points out Valier's contradiction. Advises against Bandwagoning. Decides to let Gandalf be. Votes Valier.

Day 2
Still highly suspects Jenny. Believes she knows who the seer is. States that there is still information to discuss. Does a quick analysis of everyone. (Doesn't like Elu's or Valier's lack of meaningful posts. Trusts Firefoot. States Eonwe is careful. Says Mith seems reasonable. Wants to give Jenny the benefit of the doubt. Roa is like Mith, but uncertain. No comment on Gandalf. Unsure of Sleepy. Doubts Nogrod.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I couldn't find a vote.

[Firefoot]

Valier - there could be a couple of different reasons why Mith is not defending herself to you: a) she has nothing to hide or b) she does not feel there have been any accusations concrete enough for her to defend to. To be honest, you didn't provide a lot of evidence, only that she was a key player who talked a reasonable amount. If someone voted for me on that evidence, I would say that you're right. But that doesn't make someone a wolf. I don't think there's really much Mith could have said to you.

But I do agree that Gandalf needs to get more involved in this game. Sorry if this seems rude, but if you're not going to contribute and you're not going to vote, what is the point of playing in the first place?

[Nogrod]

To Firefoot’s criticism of last night’s decision I would comment, that you could try it better yourself in half-an-hour. It’s always easy to be a smart guy when looking from a distance, in a sense of a) examing the acts afterwards with all the time to use b) not having to do it oneself. And I still defend my vote, at least from one point of view: I had more belief in Jenny’s innocence than Sleepy’s or Valier’s. After the first days rampage as a total newbie, she has been much less suspectable than those others. Without our vote last night, she would have been killed. It’s totally another thing, that I’m really sorry about Sleepy: it was his birthday (in RL) indeed! And of course I can’t be sure of Jenny’s outright innocence either. With this situation, it is more or less a question of more or less. One can’t be sure about anyone.

Kind of asking you Firefoot: on what premises do you base your “safe”-list? On what grounds do you give Roa and Mith a status of “propable innocense”? The point being: on what actual grounds do you draw the line between propable innocense for THREE villagers (just accidentally the number of the wolves...), and leave the rest susceptible?

I really would like to hear your points for common consideration.

Anyhow, we need to stick together and really think. We have taken a bad beating to begin with. A really bad one. Now let us join arms! As I said earlier: I do believe our werewolves are quite cunning and smart. I also do believe, that at least one or two of them, propably all three, are playing actively against the very few of us. They are playing a good game, we are not.

So one thing I would like everyone to consider very carefully. Be suspicious of bandwagoneering this day! There are three wolves who can build their case and the mood for lynching an innocent again. So use your brain, not your “hunches” or impressive, succesive case-building.

And I do have to disagree with Firefoot on still one more matter. This is the seer’s best conduct now. The game has advanced to a such a critical phase, that our seer should start giving us a bit more clearer hints. That of course depending on her/his wealth of knowledge. At this later point I agree with Firefoot. But the limits I would set a bit differently. It propably is not so much a question about how many are dead, but about how many wolves / actively participating innocent’s is she/he knowledgeable of, and which links she/he has managed to see on grounds of this information on both ways. If there is a strong case to be made for even two wolves and a suspicion of a third, she/he should propably go on. Otherwise we’ll just lose our days – and at worst kill her/him this night, misled by our bandwagoning wolves! After her/his death we can read her/his texts with enough care to make the right decisions. If it turns out, that either Elu or Gandalf has been our seer, with considerable knowledge of the situation, I will personally strangle them mentally – even behind the curtains of the second death of the WW-game grave!

So everyone at the defence and beware of the wolves among us!

One wish for everyone. Most importantly for you, who post irregularily. Inform us, when is the last time you are able to make your votes. Today it will be crucial! If we don’t kill a WW today, we really are in deep trouble – as we wouldn’t be already...

Cross-posted with three earlier ones (=hadn't read them before sending this one)

[Nogrod]

Oh.

Just to answer my own question: I can be voting at the dead-line. It's 11pm. around here that time. Now I would need some RL sleep... :)

[Nogrod]

To be considered by everyone. (Well, you wolves can read this too. But you already know this...)

The wolves will not propably dare to vote for each other this day. And if no wolf is being threatened, they propably split their vote. But if even one of them is strongly suspected, they will make a defence; if even one of them is voted, you'll soon see a couple of votes to someone else (or a second to someone that already has one vote) appear. If things keeps tight, the wolwes just can't afford staying out of the climax this evening... So we'll have to be there too: as many of us that just can.

So postpone your vote, anyone who just have the possibility! If it is not absolutely necessary, don't vote before you really have to.

Remember: at the worst scenario, we may have three votes against one innocent (the seer, f.ex.!).

By falling into their trap this day, we surely lose. We run out of days to lynch those bastards...

To add: I have a feeling, that I have striked on something after Folwren's death. I still have to get some sleep first, but I hope you are here at about 8 am (GMT), and had not cast your votes yet. If I'm accused by certain people, don't you anyone go defending me: we just can't afford that defence-argument for the wolves, so that they could convince even one innocent eye to go astray now.

We can't afford clumsy or random votes, not to talk of evil-informed ones!

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, trying to get a little more discussion.

Folwren thought Valier was guilty, but later eased up on her, chiding both her and Elu for the same offence. She didn't trust Nogrod. She really suspected Jenny. She trusted Firefoot implicitly, though she never stated why. I wish I had asked her reasoning.

If I'm accused by certain people, don't you anyone go defending me: we just can't afford that defence-argument for the wolves, so that they could convince even one innocent eye to go astray now.

Oh well that's nice. Now if anyone accusses you, everyone will think that person is a wolf! The rest of your reasoning is great, but really, that was an unecessary add on. All I have to say is that your return info had better be good.

As for my own suspicions, I didn't want to pursue it yesterday in the interest of fairness, but I don't trust Elu. He hasn't been helpful at all, he didn't vote Day 1, he attacked Valier quite viciously on Day 2, and provided little reason for his attack except frothiness. He never came up with anything new. And his vote for Jenny yesterday was more than questionable. Especially since after he voted for her, he said he wouldn't accuse her out right. I understand the time contraints, really I do, but after the attack of Valier, to change his mind so quickly, it does draw attention.

[Firefoot]

Nogrod - first off, a very fair post. It does alleviate some of my suspicion for you (not that there's that much. The line between suspicious people and innocent people is very fine. There just hasn't been enough to judge from).

I'm not really blaming you for choosing Sleepy; I just meant that I would have done differently. It stands to reason that different people are going to have different opinions and suspicions, as well as different ideas about how the wolves will play. You did what you did; now we move on.

As for my "safe" list - as I said earlier, that line is very fine. But I am trying to narrow it down to focus on a smaller number of individuals, and so far both Roa and Mithalwen have consistently seemed genuinely helpful. I have been able to follow all of their arguments and decisions. They just do not seem guilty to me; not much has changed with those two since I posted my analysis on early Day 2. on what actual grounds do you draw the line between propable innocense for THREE villagers (just accidentally the number of the wolves...) Um, do you really think that if I was a wolf I would be so foolish to put my fellow wolves on my innocent list? I would call any wolf that did that brave, stupid, or both.

Just to clarify... I was not saying that the seer should come out. I was exploring the possibility, trying to figure out our best chance to catch a wolf would be. The way I was looking at it, if the seer knew three living innocents, plus themself, that would leave us with only five unknowns with three of those five being wolves. Considerably better odds. However, with our ranger being gone, we would also be guaranteed to lose our seer during the night. Look at my wording again: "I might almost see some validity in the seer revealing themselves." I wasn't arguing for it, just putting an idea out there. But also to the seer: if you are about to be lynched today - don't let it happen. That would be the worst thing, for us to lynch our seer. Or if it's too late, don't go without telling us who your dreams were - please...

I definitely do agree with you about your point of if one of our lesser contributing members is seer... you'll have to race me to strangle them...

At any rate, Nogrod, you are seeming a lot more sensible and I'm following you a lot better today than I have been. I probably won't be voting for you tonight. As an aside, my vote should come at a much more convenient time toDay, with it being the weekend. I should be able to vote much closer to the deadline than I have been.

The wolves will not propably dare to vote for each other this day. And if no wolf is being threatened, they propably split their vote. But if even one of them is strongly suspected, they will make a defence; if even one of them is voted, you'll soon see a couple of votes to someone else (or a second to someone that already has one vote) appear. If things keeps tight, the wolwes just can't afford staying out of the climax this evening... So we'll have to be there too: as many of us that just can. I have to disagree with you on this one. The odds are looking very good for the wolves right now. I would not be surprised if the wolves did dare to go after their own today if it seemed necessary. It seems to me that the most obvious way for a wolf to reveal themselves is to try and save a fellow wolf, especially while the game is running strongly in their favor.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, in reply to you Firefoot, I would like to point out that if I was a wolf, I wouldn't have killed Folwren if he though me guilty. It's like saying "Look at me! I'm a wolf!" I don't know if I would have killed him since he thought me innocent, but it seems better to have people around that don't want you dead. Just a thought. It seems more likely that he would be killed by an "iffy" if that makes any sense. (I'm kind of shooting in the dark with this- I've never been a wolf before, so I don't know exactly what I would do.)

[Nogrod]

Just couldn’t get any sleep and decided to see what’s happening. Just a few remarks.

Roa: aren’t you kind of contradicting yourself in words and deeds? First you say (in concerto with Firefoot), that we should see to Folwren’s texts, whether they would reveal a reason for her death. Then you say, that if you were a wulf and had been suspected by Folwren, it would have been like saying "Look at me! I'm a wolf!"! So what do you think you could find from there?

Now I do doubt your (and Firefoot’s) reasons in emphasizing this study of Folwren’s sayings. After all, she was not the seer, and died very untimely. Remember, she was not with us after the very first hours of the second day – when basically nothing happened, and said herself, that she couldn’t vote, because she had only first day impressions! But surely, those first day impressions were positive towards Firefoot (maybe due to earlier games, knowing she is a skillful player with whom it is nice to play and sad to see dying the very first days with no good reasons), and kind neutral or even releasing towards Roa. And she had some first-day suspicions against a couple of others. Leaning on her, this time quite un-informed shoulders, you would play it safe? I don’t blame you for that. It’s intelligent.

Firefoot: you say
Um, do you really think that if I was a wolf I would be so foolish to put my fellow wolves on my innocent list? I would call any wolf that did that brave, stupid, or both.
This surely puzzles me a bit too. But then again, I totally agree with you, when you say, that “the game is running strongly in their favor”, and that “the odds are looking very good for the wolves right now”. Maybe some overconfidence? An idea of getting a “total victory” with all the wolves alive and kicking? That would be some fame! And the situation sure looks so bad, that the wolves could have a realistic run for that one... for we villagers really have played horribly – and even luck seems to have turned it’s back to us.

As a newbie to this game here, I can’t say how frequent way of behaving it is to say, after making a mistake or hasty decisions, that that kind of thing, done deliberately, would be foolish. Well, what else could one say in such situation? At least you both cling to that argument. Again, in concerto.

Sorry for being a bit aggressive, but we should really get something out from this mess. Of the seven active writers, three are werewolves. And if we must consider Jenny being very much distracted by RL, it makes the arena 50-50. So we have to be tougher now against each other. To find the wolves, and to prove the innocents.

[Nogrod]

A little add-on to the earlier. If the situation really is 50-50 (3 against 3), I would hold it a miracle, that it would just be us three innocents discussing here! And I surely know my innocense. :)

And to amuse us all, a quote from Roa's last message:

I've never been a wolf before

:D

[Valier]

Ok so since there is not too many of you that have posted I don't have much to go on. I agree with alot of your points Nogrod and firefoot.

Innocents?

Jenny- Believe she is "was" a overzelous newbie
Nogrod- also new,makes good points
Firefoot-making more sense as time passes
Elu Alcalime-Hmmm he was visible for quite awhile but never pming at night (sorry!)
Gandalf-well who really knows with this guy!
Valier- So definately innocent

Not so innocent?

Eonwe-well I don't know yet..
Mithalwen- I still think you could be a crafty wolf I just don't have any concrete proof
Roa-Just cause Folwren suspected you does not mean as a wolf you wouldn't risk killing her....Big bluff, maybe?

I know this really doesn't help, but I don't know really what else to say.

[Nogrod]

Not so innocent?

Eonwe-well I don't know yet..
Mithalwen- I still think you could be a crafty wolf I just don't have any concrete proof
Roa-Just cause Folwren suspected you does not mean as a wolf you wouldn't risk killing her....Big bluff, maybe?

I know this really doesn't help, but I don't know really what else to say.

How about trying to specificate on these three? :)

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa: aren’t you kind of contradicting yourself in words and deeds? First you say (in concerto with Firefoot), that we should see to Folwren’s texts, whether they would reveal a reason for her death. Then you say, that if you were a wulf and had been suspected by Folwren, it would have been like saying "Look at me! I'm a wolf!"! So what do you think you could find from there?


A good point Nogrod. (Finally someone responds. Refreshing the page very 15 minutes to see if someone replied gets very tiresome.) I do think we need to look at Folwren's posts, because Folwren was killed for a reason. Unless the wolves are killing at random, in which case I should say they were rather lucky in that kill. But I don't think we should look directly at the people she was directly suspicious of, but rather the people she wasn't. Sorry for not clarifying that earlier.

But surely, those first day impressions were positive towards Firefoot (maybe due to earlier games, knowing she is a skillful player with whom it is nice to play and sad to see dying the very first days with no good reasons), and kind neutral or even releasing towards Roa. And she had some first-day suspicions against a couple of others.

Fair enough. I understand why that could look suspicious, but I'm afraid I'm not functioning quite well tonight. I don't expect to use that as an excuse, just an explanation. What I really wanted to was to get people talking. If you think it makes more sense to look at the least suspicious in Folwren's eyes, by all means, look at us. It may help us out even more.

And to amuse us all, a quote from Roa's last message:

I've never been a wolf before


*Raises hands in surrender* Alright, I admit! I'm a wolf! Lynch me now! :D :rolleyes:

EDIT: Cross posted with Valier and Nogrod

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa-Just cause Folwren suspected you does not mean as a wolf you wouldn't risk killing her....Big bluff, maybe?

Folwren didn't suspect me.

[Firefoot]

If the situation really is 50-50 (3 against 3), I would hold it a miracle, that it would just be us three innocents discussing here! I've actually wondered the same thing... it's the best scenario for the wolves, that we loudmouths run each other into the ground and vote each other off. :rolleyes: I've seen it before.

I'm a little confused by your statement here:Of the seven active writers, three are werewolves. What is preventing the other two people from being wolves...?

I'm still not wholly convinced of your innocence, but I'm not completely suspicious of you either, Nogrod. So rather than keeping on arguing this out, how about we (and Roa) try to cooperate for a while? We're not really getting anywhere this way. Perhaps we should try to look at the other players.

Mithalwen, I still think, is likely to be innocent. At any rate, I'm more suspicious of the others than her, and I don't see any reasoning right now to lynch her today.

That would leave us with Jenny, Eonwe, Gandalf, Valier, and Elu. I would hazard a guess that at least two of the wolves are in this group. Gandalf is obviously pretty unknown, but if he is a wolf, he is almost undoubtedly as unhelpful to the wolves as he has been to us. I don't think that voting for him is the best plan unless there is absolutely no reason to vote for the other four. Jenny is a hard case. After that first day, I really would have liked to see more of her to get a better opinion (I'm not blaming her, don't get me wrong). I could feasibly see voting for her, but I don't know that she'd be my first choice. Valier is pretty out there - frothy... I still don't have a good grasp on her. I think that Elu or Eonwe will probably be our best bet for the vote tonight. Roa's description of Elu does make some sense:He hasn't been helpful at all, he didn't vote Day 1, he attacked Valier quite viciously on Day 2, and provided little reason for his attack except frothiness. He never came up with anything new. And his vote for Jenny yesterday was more than questionable. Especially since after he voted for her, he said he wouldn't accuse her out right. I understand the time contraints, really I do, but after the attack of Valier, to change his mind so quickly, it does draw attention. And Eonwe I'm still suspicious of - very careful, perhaps too careful. He seems to be trying pretty hard not to attract attention.

Cross-posting with about five posts...

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, I'm letting everyone know, (at Nogrod's request) that I'm headed off to bed. I'll be back on most likely in about 9 hours, and I'll have to vote around 10:45 AM EST at the very latest.

[Nogrod]

=Nogrod If the situation really is 50-50 (3 against 3), I would hold it a miracle, that it would just be us three innocents discussing here!

=Firefoot I've actually wondered the same thing...

But I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two wolves - timezones allowing - to be here at the very beginning of the day to see that the discussion starts on the "right tracks". I saw you both being quite similar minded about where and how we should proceed?

=Firefoot I'm a little confused by your statement here:
Quote:
Of the seven active writers, three are werewolves.

What is preventing the other two people from being wolves...?

Nothing is preventing it, but ethics maybe. :p

If someone mails once a day, at quite early hours, and basically says nothing, he is not playing the game. And if he is having a role as a wulf, he is downright cheating, or at least not playing a game with us but sabotaging, or playing games on us. That would be both cowardly and unethical, with all possible standards - and not fun to anyone. So I wouldn't go wasting any bullets on that direction in this tight spot - the WW's won't do that either... And anyhow: to lose a game to a cheater is not a loss. The cheater is the one who loses. The same applies to Elu too, unless he comes bright and active on today.

So rather than keeping on arguing this out, how about we (and Roa) try to cooperate for a while? We're not really getting anywhere this way. Perhaps we should try to look at the other players.

Well, who says were not getting anywhere? I think this has been the best morning we've had. :)

But by all means, let's look at your list.

I do agree with your conclusions concerning Gandalf, Jenny & Valier. Not enough over anyone to suggest lynching as a first option. But with the same ground, I must disagree with you on Elu and Eonwe: not enough stuff behind any clear accusations.

Elu has been confusing, I admit. He has been confusing up to a limit of not been understandable any more at moments. So I would argue the same as before: wasting of ammunition at this point (if he's a wolf and we lose, we really don't lose: he loses).
Eonwe has been really careful, and one could say, that he could be seen avoiding attention. Well, there are different reasons to avoid attention: one might be a WW, one might be the seer, one might be just that kind of a person. So not enough to suggest a hanging-party to be sent at his door.

About Mithalwen, I'm quite confused. There seems to be nothing wrong in her - and the terrible lynching decision of last night was lighter to carry with her. Just for that reason alone, I would hold my vote from falling over her today. But still, there is some mirkyness in her: too unsuspectable of sorts? Wouldn't open the door for her in the middle of the night...

All this would be so much easier, if people would come out and tell what they think - or what they would like us to believe, they think. ;)

I'll come with some comments on Roa, as I have time to write them out: I have a bit more of them...

[Nogrod]

My primary suspect at this hour: Roa Aoife
(There is lot to talk and think yet today, so just at this hour)

I haven't got a "smoking gun", but many different small pieces, piling up the best case, I can come up with at the moment.

1) I have not been the only one to have suspicions about Roa along the way. Not to be readily articulated and thence not a good piece - but a piece nevertheless.

2) Her bad contradicting of herself early this morning. First she was looking for evidence from Folwren's posts to help with the case - surely knowing, that they would point to other directions. When accused of that, she argued, that it would be a fool's work for a WW to kill someone who had suspicions about that WW!

Then she went on telling, that
But I don't think we should look directly at the people she was directly suspicious of, but rather the people she wasn't. Sorry for not clarifying that earlier.
But just a couple of lines further she said, that
If you think it makes more sense to look at the least suspicious in Folwren's eyes, by all means, look at us.
So which one of these two alternatives was she thinking? And what was this mysterious "us" doing there?

3) It would be quite suspicious, if someone would like to make oneself look suspicious, wouldn't it? According to Roa's defence at point 2, she basically says, that she was quite ready to draw suspicion over herself, she just forgot to mention this altruistic plan of hers in the first place. This is either a WW, trying to explain away a made mistake, or then utterly stupid villager who tries to offer herself as a bite for the hangers (why? oh, why?). I think no-one would opt for Roa being stupid!

4) She also said, that
I do think we need to look at Folwren's posts, because Folwren was killed for a reason.
I can see this only as a lousy effort to deny the obvious (and cross fingers that no-one notices). Of course Folwren was killed by a reason. Even as a newbie into this game, I could see from the very first day onwards, that Folwren was someone who made a difference here. If I were a wolf, I would want to get rid of her asp., before she would start really to get the hang of things. And so it happened: Folwren had no time to give any useful hints.

5) Then there of course is this "I've never been a wolf before". Well, it's just a slip of tongue. But one should note it's existence. Many criminals are gotten by this kind of things.

In RL I wouldn't lynch anyone on these grounds. But here I might, if no-one comes up with a better argued claim concerning someone else.

I'm sure Roa - and all her fellow-wulfs wishing possibly to save her - can come up with many explanations for the points I have made. But [B]what I would like to see more than that, is a better argued case.

Remember: we will have to make a choice this evening! And as we have a kind of a case here, nothing less than this should satisfy us, when the evening comes.

[Nogrod]

Just a small add-on to the case 3) of my accusation on Roa

In case she would be irresposible (and an idiot) enough to offer herself as a bait at this hour (for what reason exactly?), she wouldn't be explaining her decision, telling us, that she really meant us to look at her... She's not that stupid!

One could also say, that there is a third option: that she was so reliant on her capabilities of arguing her "real" innocence, and that her case would really be so strong, that looking at the evidence from Folwren would turn out on her favour.
But:
1) There really isn't any evidence in a players post, who has just played the first day - and the beginning of the second one, where practically no-one but she made any comments. I'm quite positive, that Folwren would agree on this. So all this is idle stuff, meant to distract us from the real debate we should have.
2) Her position surely isn't a secure one. You all have seen how she contradicts herself time after time and slips her tongue all the time. It would really be stupid indeed to focus the attention to herself - and to repeat: Roa is not stupid!

So I still believe, that Roa was just trying to cover her earlier mistake - or maybe we should say, her wrong calculations about any-one of us villagers to really start thinking about her webs.

PS1. Still waiting for your theories that are better than this...

PS2. Still waiting for you lot to turn online and to continue discussion...

PS3. Gandalf and Elu: please, please show up!!! The village needs you now!

[Firefoot]

Well, who says were not getting anywhere? I think this has been the best morning we've had. :) Oh, I agree. What I meant was that if both of us were innocent and we were just arguing about ourselves, we weren't getting anywhere with the real wolves, so I wanted to expand the search outwards a bit.Remember: we will have to make a choice this evening! And as we have a kind of a case here, nothing less than this should satisfy us, when the evening comes. The problem is that very few people have posted enough to make a real case against.

Your case against Roa is unconvincing to me. Maybe it's because Roa seems a heck of a lot more innocent to me than you do. I know you think it's suspicious that Roa and I think so much alike, but, at least on my end, it's entirely coincidental, and if she is a wolf, she is doing a superb job of imitating an innocent's posting.

I just woke up about fifteen minutes ago; I'll be trying to dig up what I can find about those people I am more suspicious of. I will be out of the house for a couple hours this morning/early afternoon, though.

[Nogrod]

Your case against Roa is unconvincing to me. Maybe it's because Roa seems a heck of a lot more innocent to me than you do. I know you think it's suspicious that Roa and I think so much alike, but, at least on my end, it's entirely coincidental, and if she is a wolf, she is doing a superb job of imitating an innocent's posting.


You may say, it's unconvincing. But as I said: make a better one! We have to vote today, and we can't afford any random gut-feelings anymore. That someone "seems" to someone a lot more innocent is not an argument or a case!

She has done a superb job, until today, when she made her miscalculation and got strangled in her own words, too many times, in too consistent manner.

But sure: go ahead with better ones. I'm all ears, and would be happy to find a stronger case. I think we all would...

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm back! Well, it's nice to see some discussion has taken place. Nogrod, you seem determined to misunderstand me.

1) I have not been the only one to have suspicions about Roa along the way. Not to be readily articulated and thence not a good piece - but a piece nevertheless.

Who else? Valier. And that was after I started suspecting her. Nor did she ever give a good reason for it. I'd be more inclined to think that was retalitory than anything else. I should point out that Valier was also suspicious of Mith, but you seem to be more than ready to let her go.

2) Her bad contradicting of herself early this morning. First she was looking for evidence from Folwren's posts to help with the case - surely knowing, that they would point to other directions. When accused of that, she argued, that it would be a fool's work for a WW to kill someone who had suspicions about that WW!

This is the second time I've explained this. Yes, we need to look at Folwren's pots but not in a conventional matter. I'm sorry that I wasn't more clear last night- my brain was a little fried by some RL issues.

Then she went on telling, that
But I don't think we should look directly at the people she was directly suspicious of, but rather the people she wasn't. Sorry for not clarifying that earlier.
But just a couple of lines further she said, that

If you think it makes more sense to look at the least suspicious in Folwren's eyes, by all means, look at us.
So which one of these two alternatives was she thinking? And what was this mysterious "us" doing there?


Us? The people Folwren didn't suspect, duh. I'd have thought that was obvious. And Folwren wasn't suspicious of me. I don't see how I was contradicting myself. I said don't look at the most obviously suspicious to Folwren, look at the least suspicious, and that would be myself, Firefoot, and Mith. I have nothing to hide, and if all your evidence is dependent on my frazzled thoughts today, then I don't what do say. I just don't see the contradiction.

It would be quite suspicious, if someone would like to make oneself look suspicious, wouldn't it? According to Roa's defence at point 2, she basically says, that she was quite ready to draw suspicion over herself, she just forgot to mention this altruistic plan of hers in the first place. This is either a WW, trying to explain away a made mistake, or then utterly stupid villager who tries to offer herself as a bite for the hangers (why? oh, why?). I think no-one would opt for Roa being stupid!

Of course not, least of all me! I don't want to be lynched, but I know that thinking along conventional lines will get us nowhere. We need to be looking at the least suspicious. If that happens to be me, then so be it, but I have only my innocence to show. There were two others in that group. Don't spend all your time attacking one person and not look at the others, we can't afford that.

5) Then there of course is this "I've never been a wolf before". Well, it's just a slip of tongue. But one should note it's existence. Many criminals are gotten by this kind of things.

:rolleyes: Oh no, this again. I should note that before also includes Day's 1 and 2 and Night's 1,2, and 3. Honestly, I was very frazzled before and used poor grammar. I mean, that's just silly.

But all in all, I'm glad someone is doing some analysis, even if it's the wrong person. Remember we need to lynch a wolf tonight.

I also think it's a tad unfair to attack me when you know I won't be on for sometime to defend myself, really. I extend to time constraints courtesy to my fellow players, and I expect the same from them.

Speaking of that, why are we the only ones talking? Does no one else have anything to add?

[Nogrod]

There were two others in that group. Don't spend all your time attacking one person and not look at the others, we can't afford that.

I also think it's a tad unfair to attack me when you know I won't be on for sometime to defend myself, really. I extend to time constraints courtesy to my fellow players, and I expect the same from them.

Well. We can lynch only one wolf at the time, and I do believe, your case is the most obvious. The others haven't made your mistakes. At least yet... So what we can't afford now, is wasting time on sidetracks. I'm still all ears for any better candidates... I just myself can't see a case built over anyone else as good as on you. You too are free to suggest one.

As I said earlier: we need grounded suspicions now, not whitewashing, for we have to decide tonight. You could try to build one on me, for instance, and see how believable you can make it. Many good claims to be compared is better than total confusion of nine either/or -cases...

I do think, that one should give the chance to fellow players according to time limits, but one has his own timelimits too. And I have acted in good faith, believing, that there will be people discussing here while I myself am at sleep: and at the worst scenario, voting before I can make my point.

I must admit, that I'm very disapointed about the way things have turned out. No-one has been here exept for you, Firefoot and Valier. This really looks grim.

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, if you've made it up in your mind that I'm a wolf, you might as well look for the other two. I can't exactly runaway you know. As for me, I'm going to be looking for three wolves, though I'm beginning to belive that I'm conversing with one.

To attack so viciously an easy target.... that doesn't look good for you Nogrod. ;)

And easy for you to say make a case- you have all my posts for today to go on. Now I could go on your posts, but that would be retailiation, and I could go on Firefoot's post's but he's done nothing suspicious. I notice you haven't looked at my posts from the previous days. Why not?

I daresay a case against you could be made, but you've tied my hands, for to retaliate is death. But to not retaliate is death. Bravo, Nogrod.

[Firefoot]

Okay, this is a style of analysis that I have found helpful in the past - by briefly summarizing and commenting on each post, nothing is taken out of context and patterns become more evident. The problem is that it is only really helpful if there is real substance and amount to people's posts; it didn't reveal much about Eonwe or Elu, but Valier's turned up some interesting things.

Eonwe:

Post 13
Nothing very helpful, nothing particularly wolvish. He scorns Day 1 strategies.

Post 27
Repetition that Day 1 sucks. Once more, nothing here.

Post 49
Votes Jenny on what he calls gut instinct, but at least not randomly. He says she feels like a new wolf to him.

Post 57
He clarifies his vote for Jenny, says that she changes her opinion around too much to fit others’ ideas and suspicions. A repetition that Day 1 won’t be very useful. Okay, I can’t really blame him here since these are similar feelings to what I was feeling about Jenny.

Post 60
One line post, nothing there again.

Post 78
Explains that he had a feeling Lommy would die during the night. Hm…

Post 88
Agrees that Lommy made a lot of sense for the wolves to go after. Says that his suspicions were turning toward Roa and Jenny as they had voted for Wilwa.

Post 96
Continues his reasoning for his suspicions of Jenny, says he intends to vote for her. Says that Folwren, Mith, and myself all look pretty good to him.

Post 99
Explains to Jenny that his suspicion of her is not based on her silence.

Objectively looking at these posts… there really doesn’t seem to be that much there. Nothing to support my suspicions of him anyway. The real founder of my suspicions of him and Nogrod was a possibility of some kind of wolvish alliance, and I haven’t entirely given that up – especially since Nogrod seemed so suspicious of him on into Day 2, but all of a sudden that seems to have gone out the window without any indication of an in-between stage. But other than that, there really isn’t very much there, and what is there seems supportive of his innocence. For the time being, Eonwe is on my emerging in-between list.

Elu:

Post 9
Jokes about were-birds.

[Has computer troubles, does not post again till Day 2]

Post 81
Starts to comment about how he thought Lommy was behaving oddly, then descends into more speculation about were-birds.

Post 84
Says he appreciated my analysis, but that we had to be careful in discriminating fact from bias.

Post 86
Regrets Valier’s inconsistency and frothiness.

Post 90
Although he says that he wouldn’t outright accuse Jenny, he votes for her, mostly for her silence that day, despite her warning. This is irritating but not exactly suspicious.

Once again, there really isn’t anything here. Nothing to prove his innocence or guilt. He’s just sort of all over the place, and Roa’s description in Post 144 is sticking with me.

Valier:

Post 4
“I can’t believe Kitanna is dead!!” pretty well sums up this post.

Post 8
Says we should focus on catching wolves and that people should speak up (but with lots more exclamation points).

Post 34
Says that people who post lengthy analyses tend to get lynched faster and that’s why she doesn’t. This would be extremely harmful to us, and definitely raises warning bells in my head, or it would if it wasn’t accompanied by so many exclamation points and big grin smilies.

Post 39
Says that other people are better communicators than she is, advises against bandwagoning.

Post 41
Votes randomly for Elu because “his music stinks.”

Post 87
See post 4… plus a comment that it’s time to get down to business.

Post 100-101
Analysis: Jenny – probably innocent, maybe cunning wolf; Eonwe – probably innocent, she agrees with most of his posts; Sleepy – she wants to see more of him; Roa – no real opinion, apologizes for frothiness; Nogrod – no real verdict; Elu – she says his posts are weird; Gandalf – she wonders if we shouldn’t just lynch him to be on the safe side in case he’s trying to slip under the radar; Folwren – Valier was rather insulted by her wondering if it was her first time playing, she seems to be getting frustrated at others’ frustrations for her frothiness – I quote: “IT WAS THE FIRST DAY!!!”; Mithalwen – again, no real verdict, says she has nothing to hide. This post sort of has me wondering. It seems innocent enough but what catches my eye is that she only makes a judgment about the people who are not suspicious of her. Also, perhaps by oversight, her list is not complete – I for one am not on it.

Post 103
Complains about how little of substance there is, says she will be voting soon.

Post 106
Says the key players are Mithalwen, Folwren, Roa, and myself. Votes Mithalwen for no apparent reason except that she thinks she is a clever wolf. This seems strange to me, that you would identify key players and then vote for one of them. The loudest people aren’t necessarily the wolves.

Post 116 & 119
Begs us not to kill her. Promises to do a dance if we don’t. This, I think, is a little over the top…

Post 122
“Ok kill me then you will see! I may be a bit "Frothy" but I have no hidden fur!” Maybe, maybe not.

Post 138
Thinks Gandalf should be penalized for not voting two nights in a row. Now she claims that the key players are most often loud innocents – so why the heck did she vote for Mithalwen?? She thinks it’s odd that Mithalwen hasn’t defended herself, even though she has made no real accusations against her except voting randomly. She says it’s important not to make a mistake so we should vote for someone who has posted a fair bit – didn’t she just say that the loud ones were often innocent? Now this is what I would call contradicting. Essentially she seems to be proposing that we lynch the louder ones because they are loud. It reminds me nothing so much as the little story here: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=437362&postcount=1 Sorry if that’s slightly irrelevant.

Post 149
Thinks Jenny, Nogrod, me, Elu, and Gandalf are innocent while Eonwe, Mithalwen, and Roa are not. Is very vague about why. In fact, I would really like to know why she finds Mithalwen so suspicious – I have yet to see a reason other than that Mithalwen was the first to call her frothy.

After doing this, I have become quite suspicious of Valier. I can’t really tell if she’s a sloppy wolf or just frothy and rather… inept? It seems entirely possible to me that if she’s a wolf she wants to attack the loudmouths because the other two wolves are both quiet ones.

I'm not even going to bother doing this for Gandalf - he only has about three insubstantial posts. It may be useful to do with Jenny though.

Oh, and Roa, I'm a she. Also, I'm agreeing very much with what you're saying... Nogrod seems pretty determined right now to paint you as a wolf.

[Nogrod]

Well, if you've made it up in your mind that I'm a wolf, you might as well look for the other two. I can't exactly runaway you know. As for me, I'm going to be looking for three wolves, though I'm beginning to belive that I'm conversing with one.

To attack so viciously an easy target.... that doesn't look good for you Nogrod. ;)


I'm looking at them all the time - and do have some suspicions. But not good enough to go on expressing them publicly as yet. We need one today, as I said. One. The turn for the others is tomorrow.

Although I guess I have to be a bit more vocal about my other suspicions later on, as we see how this day settles. For I really do think I'm writing my own death-sentence all the time. I'll be awake the next night, but propably won't be a match to a werewolf.

Well. Someone furiously defending his family, quite all alone, against silver-tongued werewolves doesn't exactly look good. He isn't supposed to. He would lose without the attack - and the village would do so too.

As you yourself readily to admit being an easy target, you at the same time reveal your fear of the case being there.

Remember: all I want, is a better theory. You, or anyone produce it, and I'll vote for it...

[Firefoot]

Nogrod - the trouble with finding a better theory is that in order to make a theory, there needs to be something to make a theory from! You, me, and Roa are the only people who have really posted extensively today. Mithalwen has been active, but there isn't anything very recent. Most of the rest of the people, there just isn't enough to make a theory out of. So unless I chose to pick on either Roa, you, or Mith, there isn't going to be any kind of really substantial theory. What I've picked out on Valier is going to be about as good as it gets, through no fault of mine or anyone else's except the people who don't post. If the villagers lose, it won't be the fault (not wholly) of those who are posting, but of those who are not. It's easy for me to rank the three of you in suspiciousness, but just because Roa might make the best case for a wolf doesn't make her one - the trouble is that a good case can't really be made for those people that I am more suspicious of.

/rant

Anyhow, I'm going to be leaving shortly - in less than a half hour - and probably won't be home for about three hours, unless we decide to go out for lunch like my family was talking about yesterday. So I'm not exactly sure when I'll be back - but I will be back in plenty of time to vote.

Just for clarification - Kitanna, the Day will run a full 24 hours, even though it started about an hour late, correct? Will that extra hour ever get made up somewhere (during a night, I would assume), or will the game just continue running an hour later than it started?

[Roa_Aoife]

As you yourself readily to admit being an easy target, you at the same time reveal your fear of the case being there.

What? :confused: I'm an easy target because my brain was fried before. But you have ignored all of my defenses since you started on my case, so I don't know why you would listen to that one. Why is that? Is it because you know that I am innocent and can't risk acknowledging my own evidence to the case?

You also seem sure that no one will bring a case against you. Why? Because to do that would look like a team-play to everyone else. You have covered your tracks well today.

Edit: Cross post with Firefoot. Sorry for the gender confusion! As I said, my brain is fried.

[Nogrod]

After doing this, I have become quite suspicious of Valier. I can’t really tell if she’s a sloppy wolf or just frothy and rather… inept? It seems entirely possible to me that if she’s a wolf she wants to attack the loudmouths because the other two wolves are both quiet ones.


Well, I agree with you somewhat. She's on my shared third place of suspects. That third is a pair, and I'm really having trouble to wrench over which one. But as I appreciate your analysis, I can't see it more damning that the case of Roa. Indeed, if we look at the style of her writing, she seems more like a quite young and unsure person - what you call ineptness. Look at all those exclamation marks and smiles around... And what comes to her clumsiness, they seem to be differences between first ideas and later opinions. Not actual discrepancies done later in the game, which would count - as I'm counting them on Roa.

But thanks Firefoot. That is exactly what I would like to see more today!

EDIT: Cross-posting with both Firefoot & ROa

[Roa_Aoife]

Will you stop ignoring me!

[Nogrod]

Will you stop ignoring me!

Was that meant for me? How am I ignoring you: I would think the situation would be on the contrary!

Remember: I cross-posted with your last one!

First we need accusations, then defences. If you think you have a good cover, then you should trust it. If not, don't show your jumpiness in front of the popular verdict... :)

Sorry about that last one. Just fighting alone makes one desperate!

BTW. I'm really looking forward for Valier to come up with some comments over Firefoot's analysis.

[Roa_Aoife]

then defences. If you think you have a good cover, then you should trust it.

Then why won't you acknowledge the defense I have given? You seem to be rather determined to ignore the proof of my innocense. I think I have more than answered your case, but you don't seem to think so, and I want to know why.

[Nogrod]

But you have ignored all of my defenses since you started on my case, so I don't know why you would listen to that one. Why is that? Is it because you know that I am innocent and can't risk acknowledging my own evidence to the case?

You also seem sure that no one will bring a case against you. Why? Because to do that would look like a team-play to everyone else. You have covered your tracks well today.


To the first one: No. I'm getting more and more confident about your guilt, almost post after post. But it is not my task to prove your innocense, its yours. And then, it's the thing all the villagers have to consider with their one vote each. If I see other villagers' seeing the things under evil-interpretations, I'll surely try to correct it, then. Now I have other things to do: trying f.ex. get some RL things done (but I'll be checking every now and then)

But really about your jumpiness. It's not looking good. The guilt is shining out from your reactions. Sorry: even this is nothing definitive, just one more piece to the pile...

EDIT: seem to have been cross-posting all the time, but this I think answeres your later question too.

For the second one. I'm not at all sure, that no-one would bring a case against me. Quite on the contrary. I do doubt me being alive tomorrow morning, and just hope the innocent villagers don't go killing one innocent this evening, for the next night it definitively will be an innocent one to go.

What you call "covering the tracks" is just having a pure mind and clean tracks to begin with - and then using some brain not to play totally idiotic way to the hands of the wolves. But I am afraid, I do confess this. This looks very, very bad now. And not the least because of us three being the only ones at sight.

[Roa_Aoife]

*frustrated sigh* Now I understand how Shelob felt...

I am afraid I have to go, and I won't be back on till after this day is over. Having nothing else to go on:

++Valier

The information provided by Firefoot was very helpful and non-circumstantial. It seems to be the only case that isn't at the moment. I would vote Nogrod, but I don't like being retalitory, and no analysis of him has been presented. I would do it myself, but that goes back to being retalitory.

I wish the village luck, because if I die, you'll be down another innocent, which is exactly what the wolves want. We kill an innocent, and it will be 4-3 by morning. Remember: if there's an even number of wolves and villagers, they win.

[Nogrod]

Just to come forwards with you. I surely underdstand your jumpiness, because your hands are quite tied now. You know who the innocents are, but can't exactly bring forwards any real accusations, because if they would lead to a conclusion, and that innocent would die, there would be one more nail in your coffin...

So let's see, how far will your mates be ready to support you, and when they abandon your ship to save their own skins.

And please, don't accuse me of being unfair. I haven't been the one to make your mistakes...

PS. Still waiting for better theories, although I think this one getting to hold.

EDIT: Crossposted with Roa

[Nogrod]

I am afraid I have to go, and I won't be back on till after this day is over. Having nothing else to go on:

++Valier


OH, how stupid of me!

Now one innocent is having the first vote (that holds, if the wolves are not so cunning as to vote for one of their own kind to uplift the suspicion: I think wolves could do that to reach their goal, maybe?)! In the case of a draw, we'll be losing her!

I kind of thought of rushing a vote on Roa just to prevent this scenario taking place, but wanted to see first how the discussion goes on. I should have checked her early morning post where she told, when she would have to vote... You can blame my inalertness on this one.

We can't afford ill-opinioned votes any more!

Make your opinions count in this!

[Nogrod]

Having nothing else to go on:

++Valier

The information provided by Firefoot was very helpful and non-circumstantial. It seems to be the only case that isn't at the moment.

Note this with my earlier claim that:

I surely understand your jumpiness, because your hands are quite tied now. You know who the innocents are, but can't exactly bring forwards any real accusations, because if they would lead to a conclusion, and that innocent would die, there would be one more nail in your coffin...

So there's the "with nothing else to go on" etc. You cleverly took Firefoot's claim to cover you - well it was about the only option you had... It would have been a miracle, had you voted otherwise...

[Mithalwen]

Wow .... lots to read for once ....

I am sorry I cannot be around more but I don't have the internet at home so I have had to drive to a cyber cafe (20 mile trip) to get in now. It is just the best I can do...

[Mithalwen]

BLimey .. I really am going to have to read carefully - since has been pointed out this is desperate. We have so few active players and those that are are in incompatible timezones. I have a horrible feeling that it will be another repeat of the Sleepy Ranger thing.... Is there any point in commenting more... I feel like I will be talking to myself again and so might aswell keep my own counsel ....

[Nogrod]

Is there any point in commenting more... I feel like I will be talking to myself again and so might aswell keep my own counsel ....


You know as well as I do, that we need everyone's comments here. So don't refrain from this! We have a wolf to catch tonight.

[Mithalwen]

The quietness bugs me.... the wolves could all be quiet and just feeding off our ideas... I am not sure I made a good call with sleepy but I really didn't think Jenny was guilty. Anyway it is too late too worry about that now. With the ranger gone we have even less margin for error.

I will do my best - but my record on spotting wolves is not great. Other than the first game I have only managed to vote for one when I only had a choice of 2!

So the only vote so far is for Valier ....... Well she has never exactly figured on my probable innocents lists due to the frothy insubstantial posts on the first 2 days. She still thinks I am a clever wolf despite the fact that if I were a wolf I would have wasted two opportunities to dispose of the one person who had accused me. Thinlomien and Folwren both had suspicions of Valier so she profits more by their deaths.

Nogrod, you seem very confident about Roa and I need more than a backwards skim read to understand exactly why so bear with me.


I also want to look at what little, our absentees have left us. Eonwe and Elu as well as Jenny and Gandalf... though some are less absent than others...! At this stage I can't continue to take Jenny's innocence for granted ... so I'll be back... sorry this has taken so long... but I have had to retype :(

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, you seem very confident about Roa and I need more than a backwards skim read to understand exactly why so bear with me.

I also want to look at what little, our absentees have left us. Eonwe and Elu as well as Jenny and Gandalf... though some are less absent than others...! At this stage I can't continue to take Jenny's innocence for granted ... so I'll be back... sorry this has taken so long... but I have had to retype :(

I am confident about it, and you should be too, if you follow her fall during this day's discussion: error after error, and then panic. Wulfish, not ordo-like.

If you read Jenny's post onthe discussion thread, you would have noted, that her absence could continue up to Monday (RL-time). So maybe that is no reason to jump on her. I kind of remember, that it was you, who made quite an emotional speech for her RL in a less critical situation - for a cause, I agree! But now you are ready to turn your back, when the wolves could be caught?

Are you also starting to slip? I hope you aren't. Wouldn't like to see you as the last WW nominee... :)

[Valier]

The problem is that it is only really helpful if there is real substance and amount to people's posts; it didn't reveal much about Eonwe or Elu, but Valier's turned up some interesting things .

I don't see what you found interesting in my posting.If you would care to elaborate.

After doing this, I have become quite suspicious of Valier. I can’t really tell if she’s a sloppy wolf or just frothy and rather… inept? It seems entirely possible to me that if she’s a wolf she wants to attack the loudmouths because the other two wolves are both quiet ones .

I don't know how else to put this so you will get it. I am not "Frothy" are you insinuating that I have rabies? Am I foaming at the mouth? I just don't get this. Yes I am getting defensive! I don't know how else to defend myself to you. Anyone can find wolfish behavior in any post they read.

I don't want to be killed just because you think I'm inept. That is how I post! I am trying to be as helpful as I can.

I believe I know who the seer is and I am pretty sure they would have dreamt of me last night.We need to kill a WOLF today not another Ordo or worse yet our Seer.

I don't like that Roa just followed Firefoots analysis of me today and voted for me again.Like I said yesterday there are key players and YES I did say they are normally loud innocents and YES I still voted for Mith. As for my vote for her it was because I really was confused and voted for someone who I really felt at the time could be a wolf. Firefoot has been pretty much concentrating on me and Roa. I think Roa is an Ordo because if she is a wolf I don't think she would have voted for me again today after I declared my innocence yesterday.

I think today Firefoot has swayed enough people towards killing me, but to me this sounds kind of like what a cobbler would do and since we don't have a cobbler I lean towards him being a wolf. But with all the people not contributing I find this game the hardest to play so far. I could be wrong about Firefoot, but then again maybe not. I have played fairly well in other games even with my "Frothyness" and have still managed to lynch a few wolves here and there. So maybe we should not look badly at me because of the way I post.

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Nogrod]

If you read Jenny's post onthe discussion thread, you would have noted, that her absence could continue up to Monday (RL-time). So maybe that is no reason to jump on her. I kind of remember, that it was you, who made quite an emotional speech for her RL in a less critical situation - for a cause, I agree! But now you are ready to turn your back, when the wolves could be caught?

QUOTE]


No, I am aware that she won't have posted, in my hasty retype I omitted a qualifying phrase... and I still think that she is genuinely innocent but in my last game I was happily saying that i was sure a wolf was innocent until I had a choice of 2 and it became relatively obvious I had been wrong. You will understand that in these dire circumstances, it is sensible to check everything. And so I will ...but I have been distracted by other matters so I am a bit behind.

I do stand by my speech on principle but I doubt my own judgement. It was nasty to accuse Jenny of using her RL as cover... but that doesn't automatically mean she is innocent. I believe her innocent but it isn't proof. But she is certainly not high up my list ..quite the reverse.

[Mithalwen]

OH, how stupid of me!

Now one innocent is having the first vote (that holds, if the wolves are not so cunning as to vote for one of their own kind to uplift the suspicion: I think wolves could do that to reach their goal, maybe?)! In the case of a draw, we'll be losing her!



Could you explain why you are sure that Valier is innocent? Given that it was a hairs breadth decison for me last night, I would like your reasoning...

[Valier]

Thinlomien and Folwren both had suspicions of Valier so she profits more by their deaths.


I don't see how I would profit from their deaths. Don't you see what the Wolves are doing? They are using me like a pawn, they didn't kill me last night because alot of you suspect me. They would be stupid to kill an Ordo everyone suspects, it takes the heat away from them. They want you to think I killed the people who suspected me. I'm not that "Frothy"

I find that there is usually a "Loud" wolf who uses the quiet Wolves at their disposal. The quiet ones will eventually bite the dust because of their quietness. But the "loud" wolf almost always sticks out their neck early on and makes it to the end, because they have "proven" their "innocence", by voting for their fellow wolves.Take this as you will, but I assure you I have seen this before. If we don't get the louder wolf first they will surely win.

[Nogrod]

=Valier
Firefoot has been pretty much concentrating on me and Roa. I think Roa is an Ordo because if she is a wolf I don't think she would have voted for me again today after I declared my innocence yesterday.

What kind of an argument is that??? Would you please elaborate a little? I'm taking this as a highly susceptible one. How on Middle Earth would anyone's plead about his/her innocence lead straightly to certain reactions on part of the others?

Mithalwen
You will understand that in these dire circumstances, it is sensible to check everything.

I'm beginning to feel quite the contrary. We need to have suspects with some real backing now, not those "there is a possibility of X being something or another, but really couldn't say". Let's not waste our time (1½ hours), but bring forth good cases!

EDIT: Cross-posted with Mith & Valier

[Mithalwen]

Well there was a lot more time when I started trying to post ..... and I am one of those people who takes about half an hour to leave the house because they have to check several times that they haven't left the gas on and doors unlocked...

[Nogrod]

=Mith
Could you explain why you are sure that Valier is innocent? Given that it was a hairs breadth decison for me last night, I would like your reasoning...

I have not claimed her innocence as a fact. Read my post carefully. I'm just worried about all this nonsense distracting us from killing a very believable wolf. There sure is more case over Roa than Valier, so let's just concentrate on the essentials. Meaning also, that if you can come up with real evidence over Valier that would out-do my evidence over Roa, I might be ready to change my mind...

[Valier]

What kind of an argument is that??? Would you please elaborate a little? I'm taking this as a highly susceptible one. How on Middle Earth would anyone's plead about his/her innocence lead straightly to certain reactions on part of the others?
I think it would be a big mistake on her part if she was a wolf, voting for me after I stated my innocence making it two days in a row she's voted for me. I have learned from past games that a Wolf will not do this unless they are really bold. She seems easily swayed by an empty analisis from Firefoot. To me Firefoot could be the wolf brains and there for try to sway others away from himself with "Wise" words.Wolves usually do not vote first or start a bandwagon, because it makes everyone look at them more closly. But by just swaying the vote in their favor it is much less bold.

[Firefoot]

I think that Mith is sensible to be considering all her options - it would not do to plunge blindly into the voting just following what everyone else had said. We need people to make informed decisions based on what they think.

Valier - I would still like to know why you think Mithalwen is suspicious. You have provided us with no reasons or evidence.

I'm glad to see that we at least have a couple more people contributing to the discussion.

I'm still confused about when this day is ending. Do I have a little more than one hour or a little more than two?

I'm going to try and get in one of those analyses on Jenny now. If I have time, I'll try and do a couple more people as well - Nogrod would probably be next on the list.

Oh, and may I repeat: I am a she.

[Nogrod]

=Mith
Thinlomien and Folwren both had suspicions of Valier so she profits more by their deaths.

What kind of an accusation is this? We all know, that those were first day's wild guesses or "hunches". There's no reason for anyone to act on them!

I'm beginning to have doubts on you Mith... if you can't come up with some explanations.

[Elu Ancalime]

I leave for one day, and another gifted is killed. And quite brutalily, reminds me of Hannibal Lecter. It must have been a lucky guess though, because I dont remember Folwren doing anything ranger-esq, if there would be something he could do. So now its open pickins i guess....crap. This is really bad.

But im glad Firefoot and Nogrod are still here, they seem to be making the most helpful suggestions and rational judgement....

But before I begin self-analysis, I would like to extend an apology to JennyHallu.

I realize that I voted for her, And I beleive I would like to rephrase what I 'meant' to say: I even remembered in my Mind that she posted she would be gone, and it simply must have slipped. However, that is not all of it. It may have sounded paradoxal that i said id didnt think she was a wolf, and then voted for her anyway. What I was trying to say was that of all of us, she was acting the most wolvish to me. Per se, on a scale of one to ten (1 being most innocent and 10 being an wolf with linking proof) i would say the majority of the villagers were a 4 and Jenny seemed to be a 5 or 6 to me. Sorry about any mixups.

I will back later to present more thoughts once I have read today's posts...
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[Mithalwen]

Ok - I guess having found Valier, to use the phrase she hates though it be apt, for two days I have to get over my instincts in order to support yours. Also she is rather sensitive about Firefoot's comments and I am rather inclined to trust Firefoot who has overcome my initial qualms and has been solidly provoking and making discussion throughout. But whatever you say I do want to make sure that early day prejudices don't cloud my choice. That reluctance perhaps tipped the balance for me last time and an innocent Sleepy died. Maybe if I had gone for Valier another innocent would have died - I don't know.

"One innocent having the first vote" did seem to imply confidence in Valier's innocence. btw

[Valier]

Firefoot please read post 181 for my reason on voting for Mith. And no I will not go into it anymore It really was like a first day vote! This game is hard with all the people gone.

Nogrod you are making more sense with every passing post! :)

[Nogrod]

I'm still confused about when this day is ending. Do I have a little more than one hour or a little more than two?

I'm going to try and get in one of those analyses on Jenny now. If I have time, I'll try and do a couple more people as well - Nogrod would probably be next on the list.


Has anyone PM'd Kitanna about it? I'm also worried about that.

Don't waste your time on her, for with these minutes we have better usage. There have been substantial discussion only today and maybe yesterday late evening. There is nothing new there.

But please go analyzing me instead. That would make even a little sense. Although I would like to see you looking at Roa's messages from today and see for yourselves!

Only a wolf would like us to be confused and search tiny bits and pieces from everywhere (there really is nothing new there!) and not concentrate on essentials.

[Nogrod]

"One innocent having the first vote" did seem to imply confidence in Valier's innocence. btw

It's quite misleading to quote other people intentionally in a wrong light!!! Read the quote please... (#174)

=Nogrod
OH, how stupid of me!

Now one innocent is having the first vote (that holds, if the wolves are not so cunning as to vote for one of their own kind to uplift the suspicion: I think wolves could do that to reach their goal, maybe?)!

Sorry...

[Mithalwen]

What kind of an accusation is this? We all know, that those were first day's wild guesses or "hunches". There's no reason for anyone to act on them!

I'm beginning to have doubts on you Mith... if you can't come up with some explanations.


It was a comment in response to an accusation not an accusation in itself. If you read the preceding sentence..

[Mithalwen]

It's quite misleading to quote other people intentionally in a wrong light!!! Read the quote please... (#174)



Sorry...


I am not trying to put anyone in a wrong light I am just trying to understand and I am now more confused than ever. I can't help what you think but I genuinely thought you were certain of Valier's innocence and since I wasn't, I really wanted to know why. Or am I meant to do what you want unquestioningly?

[Elu Ancalime]

Hmm...well, I think I kinda have an idea of whats going on....in context, anyway...
So it sounds like Nogrod and Roa have been going back in forth exchanging theories...and Mith and Valier have been more solid (which is more tha I can say about my self, I regret to admit), and it looks like Mith will have something on Jenny soon. Firefoot seems to be normal-rational, patient.

I can formulate my own suspicoins of what is going on right now, but they are not concrete and I need to read over again, just to clarify what's been said and the 'feelings' i guess.

So, um, would anybody like to make a quick summary of whats happened so far today? (since we have......2/3 hours depending on Kitanna's timeframe, and I want to put in a reasonable vote; its dangerously risky now.) My vote is (equally important with the other villagers) crucial today, and I dont want to be a random/gut feeling/flimsy accusation/wrong comprehension. Thank you.... :D
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[Mithalwen]

Sorry Nogrod, I think I understand now..... I find "tone of voice" hard online .. and i might be getting a bit oversensitive... I thought you meant I was trying to put someone in a bad light deliberately.

If the time has moved, I can't stay to the end. Too late with work tomorrow....

[Firefoot]

This would have taken much less time if I had not been called away from my computer... urgh...

Jenny:

Post 5
Randomly accuses Sleepy, Elu, and Roa. To foster discussion?

Post 10
Randomly accuses Eonwe. Asks Mithalwen for a biscuit (still don’t know how much there is to this).

Post 12
Suggests lynching the last person to contribute to the discussion.

Post 16
An analysis apparently based largely on occupation. Lommy, Sleepy, Roa, Nogrod, Elu and Folwren are suspicious, Gandalf, Wilwa, and Valier are in between, me, Jenny, and Mithalwen are innocent in this list.

Post 26
She advises spreading out the vote, making sure we understand our information, and looking closely at anyone who talks a lot. She comments about my contradictiveness, a point that she has “stolen” from Mithalwen, who she seems to mention a lot. A wolf using an innocent? I don’t think it is a wolf relying too much on a fellow wolf anymore, as I am thinking Mithalwen is innocent.

Post 30
She seems to go back on some of her statements in the previous post, revising them a little bit to make them seem more acceptable to people. This quote is rather… interesting: “I mean, really, if I were a wolf, it seems obvious that it would be stupid to be quite so vociferous. It certainly seems to bring suspicion immediately on my head, which is not at all my intention, as I am innocent.” Well, a wolf wouldn’t want to bring suspicion on themselves either. In fact, this quote seems to suggest strongly to me that perhaps she is a wolf saying how she could be doing things differently. Perhaps strategy A seemed not to be working?

Post 36
Advises Sleepy to be more careful in ascribing quotes to the wrong people. Defends herself to Folwren. Generally, she seems pretty defensive – because she has something to hide?

Post 40
Gratitude to Folwren for elaborating.

Post 44
Advises Sleepy not to give up as if he would be innocent then lynching him would not be in the best interest of the village. If she is a wolf, this would be a good thing to say to make her look innocent, but since this is her first game… it seems to speak in her favor.

Post 47
Apologizes for mixing up Lommy’s gender

Post 51
States voting thus far. Repetition of how good Mithalwen’s muffins are. (Is it just me who finds this really odd?)

Post 61
Request for clarification on some people’s points.

Post 66
Votes Wilwa to save herself and for her quietness. Fair enough, I suppose.

Post 70 & 72
Both one-liners about the status of the voting.

Post 98
An explanation of her absence and the previous day’s vote. Seems pretty fair to me.

Hm... I'm still not really sure. Some things seem to point to her guilt, others to her innocence. She's not nearly as suspicious as some others.

Okay, I'm going to start on Nogrod but it will take a while... he's posted a lot. So you may get it in halves depending on how long it takes.

Valier - I still do not see why Mithalwen is suspicious to you. All you said about Mith in that post was this:Like I said yesterday there are key players and YES I did say they are normally loud innocents and YES I still voted for Mith. As for my vote for her it was because I really was confused and voted for someone who I really felt at the time could be a wolf. That tells me nothing about why.

[Firefoot]

Actually, I take back what I said about trying to do one of those analyses about Nogrod right now. I want to have time to do it right, and he currently has 42 posts - many of them long. I would like to take a closer look but I think it will wait until tomorrow. If I die tonight... well, you know where I was headed. Someone else will have to look it all up.

I think a reread of both Nogrod's and Roa's recent posts will serve me better right now. Going into it I am still feeling that Roa is innocent but I will try to read objectively. I'll let you know what I find.

[Nogrod]

Just to inform you all of my doubts so far. Read and think. I myself will be sticking to Roa for a vote tonight.

Roa is a werewolf. My open accusations against her weren’t any fool-proof to begin with, but she meddled everything herself by defending very poorly, making mistakes in almost every post and slipping all the time. Of her guilt I’m positive. Believe me.

My suspicions against Firefoot

1) At early on the game, she was propably even too eager to be at good terms with Folwren – who she had had to know to be a good player (and if she were a wolf, also innocent). And she managed the first day, and liked to point out her being along the same lines with Folwren. After Folwren was killed, she would be seen as her friend, not as her killer.
2) Lining up heavily with Roa, who is a wolf. Just check the posts of this morning and day. She may say, that it would be stupid for wolves to help one another. But it would be very cunning to just actually do it, and then claim innocense on the basis that it would be stupid to act like that, especially when they would really gain on that co-operation! And it’s not a small gain they would reach with this co-op., for these wolves know the situation. And I do fear, that most of us villagers don’t see it!!! With active posting, it is 4 villagers against 3 wolves now. And if Jenny stays away because of the RL, it could be 3-3! They can afford even to reveal themselves, if just today’s vote will lynch an innocent! After next night, the situation would be 3-2 (Jenny being counted again), for the wolves + two sleeping villagers, which both would be needed actively coming in the next day. That I think we can all doubt. The wolves know this. (Anyone believing that Gandalf will really read all that has happened after his last visit, and then be defending the village with a grand effort?)
3) Being as clever and great player as she is, I just can’t believe her not seeing the downfall of Roa during the day. Roa clearly made mistakes the whole day, and kind of underlined my open accusations. If Firefoot would be an ordo, she would have changed her mind to clear facts opening before her eyes. There seems to be other motives behind...
4) Take Firefoot’s message #201 and read it carefully, in the light of the overall situation. Quite wolfish to me. Even pre-seeing my point on 3.

Anyhow: I don’t exactly know, that Firefoot is a wolf. There is a chance, that she is well meaning villager, but one that has consistently been able to ignore the right hints, and has had a totally misinformed interpretation of the overall situation. But I would still stress the case 3 above.

My suspicions against Mithalwen

1) At the early stages some gut-based uncomfortabliness, not more. Not much to go after anyhow. Although I wondered for a second or two last night whether I should vote for her before she voted anyone. Wasn’t so sure about the sanity of such a “random-action”, and we played as we played.
2) Being at Firefoot’s list of probably innocent people brought her to my mind again (see up: Firefoot, case 2).
3) Her clear abstinence today – that was broken only after I made a slight provocation against her to see, whether she would react or not.
4) The rest you can read from the evening’s posts.

I’m very anxious about Mith. There is something, but I’m not sure.

My suspicions against Valier

1) Read the posts of Roa and Firefoot and Mith. You can interpret this unanimity either way. Maybe they have good grounds to suspect her, maybe they show a sign of wolves bandwagoning... You must read it yourselves.
2) A bit weird behaviour, sure. Generates suspicion, but nothing of more value up to this point.

I don’t know about her.

[Valier]

You could be right Nogrod about Firefoot, But I think she could be the lead wolf for reasons I stated before. You want us to trust you that Roa is a wolf, I agree with alot of your points but I don't know if I feel "safe" going with you on that. I will probably vote for Firefoot unless something more substantial comes up before the vote deadline.


P.S I wonder how many no votes we will have today.

[Mithalwen]

Well Nogrod, we can't all be wolves so you have to be wrong about at least one of us.... and if abstinence means I didn't say how high when you asked me to jump without looking, well so be it.

[Nogrod]

I will probably vote for Firefoot unless something more substantial comes up before the vote deadline.


I do share your concern about Firefoot, but I am not so certain about her guilt as to vote her on the knowledge I have right now.

Read the discussion between me and Roa from earlier and think again, who's the obvious one.

We have time to look at Firefoot tomorrow - if I'm still alive by then. (Most probably not. But read my earlier messages the better then.)

[Mithalwen]

Firefoot has evaluated Jenny, but can we really just ignore Eonwe and Gandalf?

There is a possibility that we are all innocents picking on each other..... unlikely since Jenny seems more hapless beginner than hapless wolf..... but theoretically possible.

[Firefoot]

I'm not done with my reading yet so I'm not going to comment on that. Nogrod... you're suspicions of me seem rather far-fetched to me. I honestly don't see what's wolvish about my post 201. Another thing... I've never played werewolf with Folwren before - ever. I've never even read along with any games she's played in - a similar statement that I can make about most of the players in this game. Mithalwen is the only one I know for sure that I have played with. I had pretty open opinions coming into this game. When I had to be absent for most the discussion on Day 1, I was able to look at that as a whole, and Folwren's arguments made a lot of sense to me. You can say that I'm just saying that but it's true.

I'm not lining up with Roa. She has seemed to be making more sense to me than you. I have agreed to go back and read both of your arguments objectively, and you call that post wolvish.

Your suspicions against Mithalwen seem extremely flimsy to me as well.

[Nogrod]

Well Nogrod, we can't all be wolves so you have to be wrong about at least one of us.... and if abstinence means I didn't say how high when you asked me to jump without looking, well so be it.

Surely. I said, I am positive about Roa. Heavily suspicious about Firefoot and having concern & doubts about you and Valier. There is room for mistakes. I have admitted that there already. Even my maths are not so bad as to take four as three... ;)

[Mithalwen]

Obviously not an accountant ...there is only one accountancy joke...

Q What is 2+2?

A What do you want it to be?

[Nogrod]

Firefoot.

Whatever you are saying, you are still defending both Roa and Mith. Added to that Mith's ever increasing suspiciousness, is telling me quite enough.

And don't try that "it would be stupid to guard one another as wolves". The wolves really can afford it now. Especially as there seems to be no traces of Jenny, Eonwe or Gandalf to participate. It's your field now. And one can see it from your boldness.

[Valier]

Does the day still end in 10 minutes?

[Nogrod]

Firefoot has evaluated Jenny, but can we really just ignore Eonwe and Gandalf?

There is a possibility that we are all innocents picking on each other..... unlikely since Jenny seems more hapless beginner than hapless wolf..... but theoretically possible.

Before you ask, why I say you seem to be ever more suspicious, let me answer with this quote.

Time is drawing near, and you want to start idle speculations from days ago. Do you come up with a real accusation against those silent ones.

Remember: we can't afford guessing this day!

[Mithalwen]

Do we know about the deadline...otherwise we should really vote now?

[Firefoot]

Okay, call me inept but I honestly do not see Roa as terribly suspicious. The biggest impression that I have gotten from reading the conversation as a whole is that Nogrod seems determined to paint Roa as a wolf. I still am not sure whether Nogrod is innocent or guilty. Certainly I won't be voting for him toDay, but I will be looking into it. If the villagers didn't have so much to lose right now, I would say that we could learn a lot by his death whether he was innocent or guilty. Okay, more if he was guilty.

Sorry I have to cut it a little short, but I have to go in about 20 minutes. Unless I am persuaded otherwise by then, my vote will probably go to Valier.

[Eonwe]

I'm here, or just got here, and am in the process of writing a brief and very unhelpful post...sorry... :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Does the day still end in 10 minutes?

I don't know. I PM'd Kitanna, but she hasn't answered anywhere.

I think we can argue with her, if she tries to stop this in 7 minutes...

[Mithalwen]

Well I am finding you less trustworthy and I do trust Firefoot.... and actually I don't know... I also find you very manipulative and the more I am told to do something the more I dig in my heels... you want me to vote but despite your confidence so early you haven't.....

[Kitanna]

I was going to stop the Day, but I won't stop it for another hour.

[Eonwe]

Do we seriously only have one vote?

I'm back, and not altogether happy. Ranger and Hunter killed. 6-3, as the score stands. But we are not altogether without hope: the seer has a couple konwn innocents (four, I believe). It could be time for you to do a bit of serious thinking. We do have a bit of time, though we'd best get cracking...

I haven't read the half of it, and as I only have ten minutes, I will not be able to.

Impressions

Nogrod is playing in a very aggressive manner. He is either in very close alliance with another loud villager (wolf), or is putting the village's good before his own in a very courageous manner.

Jenny is still not cleared by me. Though she doesn't seem to have made an appearance yet.

Firefoot has put up a good showing for herself. There should be allot to sift through tomarrow.

I'm really sorry, but I can't really do or say anything, as I have no idea what is going on.

Other than that, I'm not too surpised at Sleepy's or Folwren's deaths.

God save our seer.

EDIT: Well that is nice of you Kitanna. I was going to vote Jenny, but will hold off on that for now, until I can collect my thoughts...

[Nogrod]

Sorry I have to cut it a little short, but I have to go in about 20 minutes. Unless I am persuaded otherwise by then, my vote will probably go to Valier.

There you see, what I predicted. Wolves bandwagoning for Valier to help Roa from trouble. Do not take Firefoot's word for Roa's problems, see them yourselves! And compare to Valier's possible suspiciousness. Which one holds better?

[Firefoot]

I also find you very manipulative and the more I am told to do something the more I dig in my heels... you want me to vote but despite your confidence so early you haven't..... I agree.

Thanks, Kitanna. :)

This is going to be a tense vote. I wish I could be around for its end...

[Valier]

Eonwe I do not think you should so quickly come on and say you will vote for Jenny this doesn't help us at all right now!

[Firefoot]

There you see, what I predicted. Wolves bandwagoning for Valier to help Roa from trouble. What?? I was the first person to bring serious accusation against Valier, but now you say that I'm bandwagoning by following my strongest suspicion - a suspicion that was, in fact, mine? Just because Roa voted first doesn't mean I'm bandwagoning.

Nogrod, you're starting to frustrate me.

[Eonwe]

sigh....

I had but ten minutes to read and analyze. Don't tell me I was being hasty. Of course I was.

[Elu Ancalime]

I hope not (X post=Valier) Im too afraid to be the first to cast a vote....

Wow Nogrod! Um, I guess I dont seem suspiscous to you...well....thats cool with me obviously. I guess I havent said enough. Actually, I kinda respect you more now, because you seem to have a very well thought out thesis, and no one person is specifically brought out more than the others too much. Of course, then they would be on the same level if they were all one-liner suspicons. Also, I am a little skeptical about what you think of Firefoot. I will double-check and see if I can find continuity with it......and Roa too, hmm? Well, now I have no idea who I want to vote for. My trust is split between Firefoot and Nogrod. The next vote will probably influence me in some way (not meaning i will agree with it though...)

Basically i like everything Norod said except the stuff about Firefoot...
, but can we really just ignore Eonwe and Gandalf? Emphasis mine.


No! Today is quite crucial. We both need a vote from them if possible and also some short evaluation, think about it: What if all this squabbeling today is between a bunch of Villagers who are paranoid? We might as well take a quick look at them before the End.
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[Nogrod]

Nogrod, you're starting to frustrate me.

That's all I'm up to here right now... :D

[Mithalwen]

Before you ask, why I say you seem to be ever more suspicious, let me answer with this quote.

Time is drawing near, and you want to start idle speculations from days ago. Do you come up with a real accusation against those silent ones.

Remember: we can't afford guessing this day!

I tried to do this when I FIRST ARRIVED several hours ago but SOMEONE wasn't very keen on that were they..... I mean why were you so discouraging about me wanting to review everything.? You only started to accuse me when it became clear I wasn't going to play ball and automatically vote for your choice. Hypocrisy is a word that springs to mind or maybe two words...bold wolf...

[Nogrod]

There is almost an hour left. So consider carefully.

I am your seer.

I'll elaborate just in a minute.

But Roa is a Wolf. I've seen a dream about her, the very first night.

[Firefoot]

I am your seer. I'm not surprised. I was starting to wonder about that (your certainty of Roa, constant fear of your imminent death - oh, yeah, that's a seer feeling. Speaking from experience...); it's the reason I haven't been planning to vote for you. I almost wish you hadn't been so explicit, because I now have no doubt that you will die tonight, but perhaps it will help. But yes, please do be more detailed now that you've said it.

[Eonwe]

Indeed. My words to the seer were mostly with you in mind Nogrod. Though of course i want your other known innocents... :D

[Nogrod]

The very first night I saw that Roa is a wolf. Pure luck! The only luck our village has had so far.

The second night I found out about Folwren (kind of suspected him over the case where he and Roa defended Eonwe).

The third night I ran to an innocent villager, whose name I won’t be revealing, because he/she would be wolf-fodder after me.

If you have thought me weird or overtly aggressive in pursuing Roa, now you understand my reasons. I have counted, that we have a fair chance against these WW’s, if we all stick together now, not later. Good to see you back Elu and Eonwe. You came at the last minute.

After Roa’s guilt presupposed, you will be seeing this days discussion in a new light.

[Eonwe]

No, no you must tell us the identity of the known innocent. It doens't matter that they die. An innocnet is always going to die, and we might was well cross him/her off the list now, and narrow our scope.

[Nogrod]

After Roa’s guilt presupposed, you will be seeing this night’s discussion in a new light.

You villagers really should use tomorrow (RL) reading today's discussion. I won't be there to share it with you. But you can do it now as the first wolf is cleared.

++Roa

[Firefoot]

Nogrod, I hope you have good reasons for not revealing the name of the other innocent you dreamed about, because we're going to be losing innocent villagers anyway and it's not like any of them are gifted. But if we were to lynch that innocent villager tomorrow, that would be something of a waste.

I'm not saying you should necessarily give their name, but please have some other reason than just because they will be killed by the wolves if you do.

And if you're not actually the seer... I guess we'll know tomorrow, won't we? (You can't expect me to take anything at face value... sorry... :D )

[Nogrod]

No, no you must tell us the identity of the known innocent. It doens't matter that they die. An innocnet is always going to die, and we might was well cross him/her off the list now, and narrow our scope.

Well you asked it yourself. I really had to ponder this one: there are pros and cons here...

You are the innocent villager Eonwe. Try to stay alive during the nights to come...
= you will be next, I suppose.

[Firefoot]

There seems to be nothing for it, then. I will presumably see you all on the morrow.

++Roa

[Nogrod]

And if you're not actually the seer... I guess we'll know tomorrow, won't we? (You can't expect me to take anything at face value... sorry... :D )

You shall see it sooner than many here can think... :)

[Eonwe]

That is how I would want it, thanks! :D Bring it wolves! :p

This just lets everyone cross me off their list, narrowing the contestents to somewhere around four or five. Which is not [i]so[/b] bad.

[Nogrod]

Courage my friends!

After the next night there will be 2 WW's and 4 active villagers (+Gandalf). And a wealth of discussion to consider from today.

You have the chance now!

I do trust my battle today was not in vain! ;)

[Valier]

I was sure you were the Seer Nogrod! Well I hope against all hopes that they don't kill you (fat chance I know!)

++Roa

Hope more comes out of this day tomorrow. It's good to know your an Ordo Eonwe....For I am as well and we should work together to find the remaining Wolves! I know I'm not officially declared innocent but I asure you I am!

[Elu Ancalime]

I am your seer.

Actually, the last couple of days I really started to think that you might be it, Nogrod. Really, my first thought on the Seer was Folwren, but unfortunatly the wolves (I guess that means Roa....wow) killed her, but at least she wasnt.

Just for the record, Eonwe, I never was too suspicous of you, beyond general suspicoin.

I guess theres no thought to this one, is there? :D ++Roa_Aoife++
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[Eonwe]

++Roa

There is not much more to be said is there?

[Kitanna]

Voting closed, expect Roa's death soon.

[Elu Ancalime]

The Village avoided disaster today. Hoorah
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[Kitanna]

Talk about the pot boiling over. Most of the day it looked like the villagers were just going to let it all go and have it be every man for himself. But the decision was made, thanks to the dreams of one villager, that Roa_Aoife was a werewolf. They were absolutely positive this time.

The lobbyist tried to defend herself. She kept calling for the others to “fight the power” and not lynch her. In this case the power was the seer. But no one would heed her words.

Roa was dragged outside of town and chained to a rock. Nogrod was elected to cut her open. As he pulled the knife blade across, Roa’s skin changed. She howled in pain and frustration. Her human skin was being taken over by tufts of brown fur. She growled and fought the chains trying to get at the villagers.

“You will never win against my werewolf comrades!” She snapped.

Roa was left, chained to that rock, her insides spilling out. She was there for the birds to feed on.

LIVING
JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
Eonwe ~ Hermit
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two
Sleepy Ranger (ordo) ~ Eaten by penguins on Day Two
Folwren (ranger) ~ Sewed shut and run through on Night Three
Roa_Aoife (werewolf) ~ Tortured Prometheus style on Day Three

[Kitanna]

No one was surprised when morning came and Nogrod was not amoung the villagers. He had not lied to them, he had indeed been their seer and the wolves were getting their revenge.

The villagers went toward Nogrod’s house. They found their faithful seer hanging around outside…literally. Nogrod’s body was hung in a most unpleasant manner from the roof of his little house. And on a spike on the front lawn was Nogrod’s head. His face was bruised and one eye was missing. The wolves had decided to have a little fun before seperating his head from the rest of his body.

Now all hopes of protection were gone for the villagers. They had only their wits to protect them.

LIVING
JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
Eonwe ~ Hermit
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two
Sleepy Ranger (ordo) ~ Eaten by penguins on Day Two
Folwren (ranger) ~ Sewed shut and run through on Night Three
Roa_Aoife (werewolf) ~ Tortured Prometheus style on Day Three
Nogrod (seer) ~ Beheaded and made an example of on Night Four

[Valier]

Wow there's only 7 of us left! Leaving us with only 5 Ordo's left.

Ok So we know Eonwe is innocent, and I know I definately am as well so that leaves three more Ordo's....

Elu I think you are innocent... But you could have left yourself visible to fool us.


Jenny: I still think she's an Ordo...but I hope we hear from her today!

Gandalf.....I still have no clue should we even consider him? Since he has not shown himself in ...what 3 days? could be wrong.

This leaves me with Firefoot and Mithalwen.
Firefoot your vote for me again (like Roa's 2nd vote) Seems like you could be a team.
Mith I am not convinced of your Wolfishness yet ...

I will be looking at these two today the most...I still may be wrong, So I won't just concentrate on them exclusively. I would like to hear what you Eonwe and the other Ordo's think.

Gandalf: You only posted twice on Day 1 -no vote
Day 2 you posted once-no vote
Day 3 -no posts-no vote
Ok I know computers suck..But you signed up to play and you have done NOTHING to help us...If you are not here again today with no excuse except computer problems..I will pull out my hair! I would seriously consider not playing ww till you get a better computer!

[Firefoot]

Well, then.

I do not know that our situation is much improved. We have caught a wolf, but at the cost of our seer. I wish I had trusted Nogrod more and Roa less. Of the seven remaining, we do at least have one known innocent, Eonwe.

So that leaves me with five:

Jenny
Gandalf
Elu
Valier
Mithalwen

With the turning out of Roa to be a wolf, my trusts have been shaken. I wish I could still be as comfortable with my trust of Mithalwen as I had been.

I've been trying to figure out the relationship of these people to each other and to Roa, and I'm not sure what my findings may mean. Valier and Roa have been at odds for quite some time. This could be orchestrated, but might not be. Roa was definitely smart; I wouldn't put it past her to put such heavy suspicion on one of her fellow wolves in order to escape the noose herself. With Jenny and Elu, Roa's suspicions were much more reserved. She put suspicion on both of them but never outright accused or voted for either. One of those two could very well be a wolf. She only really mentioned Gandalf once that I could find, and that was to make an excuse for his lack of posting - something like "that's just his way, from what I've heard his access is limited." Making excuses for a fellow wolf, not wanting him to be lynched purely for his quiet? There was nothing so obvious about a relationship with Mithalwen. That would take some harder searching and sifting than what I have done so far.

One of the biggest things I regret about many of these recent deaths (Folwren's, Nogrod's, and even sort of Roa's) is that these have been some of our biggest talkers. I'm hoping that discussion will not fade to a trickle now that they have gone; we need talk more than ever now, without our seer to guide us. We may have caught a wolf, but our situation is still extremely tenuous. Two mistakes and it's sayonara to us.Firefoot your vote for me again (like Roa's 2nd vote) Seems like you could be a team. Valier, I have never voted for you. I voted for Gandalf, Nogrod, and Roa.

[Valier]

Valier, I have never voted for you. I voted for Gandalf, Nogrod, and Roa
I am SO sorry I totally looked at my notes wrong!!:D

[Valier]

Sorry to double post!





There was nothing so obvious about a relationship with Mithalwen. That would take some harder searching and sifting than what I have done so far.



Sometimes a wolf's best strategy is to have no connection to at least one of their fellow wolves.