Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVIII: The Play’s The Thing…

[Shelob]

(The villagers began their days, as they had not in the past week, by looking at their calendars, given the excitement this past week most of them had quite forgotten to change the calendars from the past month to the current one. Having noticed this some few of them switched their calendars now, though even fewer made any note of the months involved. Shortly thereafter they met again in the village square, where they’re met by a rather cut up and bloody corpse.)

Celuien: Formendacil!
Nilp: What did the wolves do to him? What could make such fine and tiny cuts?
Glirdan: (having picked up a bloodied piece of paper from the ground near Form) Perhaps they used this? It certainly gave someone a papercut or two.
Farael: (taking the paper from Glirdan) It looks like it’s from a calendar, wait…there’s something written here, scrawled really. It looks like “He said ‘beware the sides of March’, I didn’t think they were dangerous. I was wrong.”

(There’s a moment while all they absorb the implications of this.)

Saucepan Man: Well, it looks like there’s only one thing we can do.


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Living:
Saucepan Man
Farael
Glirdan
Nilpaurion Felagund
Celuien

Dead:
Shelob (Mod)--Killed by wolves on NIGHT 1
Abercrombie (Mod)--Killed while Yeti-Spotting on NIGHT 1
Gil-Galad (Ordinary)--Lynched at the close of DAY 1
Holbytlass (True Seer)--Gloucester-ized and welled on NIGHT 2
Lhunardawen (Ordinary)--Drown’d a muddy death upon DAY 2
Anguirel (Ordinary)--Killed quite safely during NIGHT 3
Littlemanpoet (Ordinary)--Vanished during DAY 3
Garin (Ordinary)--Lynched at the end of an eventful DAY 3
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant (Ordinary)--Thus was the shepherd beaten from their side during NIGHT 4
Eomer of the Rohirrim (Werewolf)--Died without a friend, but plenty of fiends DAY 4.
Boromir88 (Ranger)--Like Corey, burried under the contents of a Quarry during NIGHT 5
Tar-Ancalime (Ordinary)--Made an Ex-ex-leper at the end of DAY 5
Kath (Ordinary)--Killed by the Hunter during NIGHT 6
Mormegil (Hunter)-- )--Stabbed in the back by wolves during NIGHT 6
Aiwendil (Werewolf)--Burned at the stake at the end of DAY 6
Formendacil (False Seer/Fool)--Done to death by numerous papercuts during NIGHT 7

You know the drill, have at it.

[Celuien]

I'm glad I didn't go with my subjective suspicions yesterday. My apologies to you Farael, both for suspecting you yesterday, and for not listening to your identification of Aiwendil eariler.

Aiwendil's guilt confirms both SPM's and Nilp's innocence for me.

So does anyone see a reason not to vote for Glirdan now?

[Farael]

So does anyone see a reason not to vote for Glirdan now?
How about the fact that you were suspiciously associated with Aiwolfdil, voting the same as him to save your buddy Eomer... and for most of yesterDay, went after me?

If it wasnt' for your voting record, I'd think you mostly innocent as I can see why you'd suspect me but... voting record does not exactly shed a good light on you and... why so hasty to vote for Glirdan? trying to make up our collective minds before the silent one gets to talk?

Oh, and SPM... don't worry about implying that Aiwendil is smarter than me... I can see where you went wrong :p after all, I'm still alive and you all have to admit that I was right... I should start printing t-shirts saying "Farael Was Right" (see Simpsons, episode of the martian/Mr. Burns)

Anyway, I actually see Celuien pretty suspicious today... right now, we can actually afford to meassure our time, let's go through the people who are still alive.

Living:
Saucepan Man: Aiwendil is a wolf. If he hadn't been, I would have been congratulating Saucepan Wolf over a well played game (And not expecting anyone to believe me) but I can put those crazy suspicions to rest now, given that he is most likely innocent... heck, he IS innocent.
Farael: That's me
Glirdan: Has been very silent, let's give the guy a chance to talk.
Nilpaurion Felagund: Timezones might affect him, but he's on the same boat as SPM... if Aiwendil was innocent then I would have gone after SPM and Nilp, but right now it doesn't seem the case.
Celuien: Voting record looks pretty bad, her mistake with Eomer looks suspicious at least for me. On her favour I should note that she was the second to vote for Aiwolfdil... on a day that the first person to reach three votes would have been lynched barring a Glirdan comeback. Hmmm now I'm hesitating.

Anyway, I hope I'm not commiting the cardinal sin of assuming too much, but I'd think that we have three 'known' innocent right now, SPM, Nilp and myself. That leaves Celuien and Glirdan as the most likely to be wolvish... I'm going to look back and into Celuien's words yesterDay while waiting for Glirdan to show up... I think a no-show by Glirdan should be reason enough to take him to the gallows.... but if not, I'd say Celuien is my prime suspect for now. Yet I'm not as convinced as I'd like to be

[Glirdan]

RL Comment - While all of you were busy talking about my scilence, my band is advancing to the nationals. Now you see that I had perfectly good reason to not be here. :rolleyes:

I see that the suspicions of me will not let up. Frankly I am quite annoyed with the fact that I said that I will not be able to post as much as I normally do, and you still get suspicous of it! You know what, if you want proof that I'm innocent, lynch me! I was actually going to start participating more but from the looks of things, a lot of people would rather I just be dead. Fine, do it! But I'm going to say that it would be a complete waste of a day. If you need me, I'll be practicing for my other competitions.

[Farael]

Oh boy, wrong move... it's the third time someone says lynch me so far :p

Anyway, given that I said it I can't really turn Glirdan's last comment so that it'll look suspicious without being a hipocrite.... master Glirdan, I'd recomend you think twice and come back... I think we would all like to hear from you, and you have to remember, we were grasping at straws yesterDay...

[Celuien]

Well, if you really feel the need to suspect me, be my guest. I wouldn't expect you to do anything else, really, given my strong suspicions of you yesterday and my dismal record of picking wolves.

Anyway, I'm convinced that the last wolf is Glirdan by process of elimination, since I know it's not me and I'm pretty confident that it's not SPM, Nilp, or Farael after yesterday's events.

I won't vote yet though. Just want to see what everyone has to say first.

[Glirdan]

Oh, I'm not going anywhere. And another thing I'm telling you, I shall be looking at all the post for TODAY. Not yesterDay or the Day before that, TODAY. Reason being that I do not have time to go back and see what's been going on (RL problems[need to get caught up in homework]).

So does anyone see a reason not to vote for Glirdan now

And here comes a rant and venting on all of you.

Like I said, you want to lynch me, be my guest. I'm over this. All of you (who are alive) with the exception of SpM are after me due to my scilence. Is it my fault that I'm a professional musician and that I get called out of town wether it be on short term notice or pre-arranged?? Is it?? How many times have I specifically said that I will be away for the last three days??? Yet you still suspect me!! I'm over trying to explain myself!!

Ok, rant over.

Now, I have to disagree with what you just said Farael:

If it wasnt' for your voting record, I'd think you mostly innocent as I can see why you'd suspect me but... voting record does not exactly shed a good light on you and... why so hasty to vote for Glirdan? trying to make up our collective minds before the silent one gets to talk?

If she were the last Wolf, she'd be smart enough to keep me around to keep the suspicions on me. That's what I've noticed. The only reason I'm still around is because SpM and a few others have spoken in my defense and the Wolves have realised that if I'm still around, I'd get all the suspicions. And I must say that so far, it's come true.

Glirdan: Has been very silent, let's give the guy a chance to talk

I'm thankful you said that, but it doesn't take off the anger.

I think a no-show by Glirdan should be reason enough to take him to the gallows

But now you kind of contradict yourself. You say I should be given the chance to talk yet if I don't show, lynch me (which I should have done by the looks of things).

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

(to Aiwendil) And that was for the Shepherdess!

This last Wolf's head will be for my sister the Princess. Speaking of . . . hey, shrillboy Glirdan

RL Comment - While all of you were busy talking about my scilence, my band is advancing to the nationals. Now you see that I had perfectly good reason to not be here. :rolleyes:

I see that the suspicions of me will not let up. Frankly I am quite annoyed with the fact that I said that I will not be able to post as much as I normally do, and you still get suspicous of it! You know what, if you want proof that I'm innocent, lynch me! I was actually going to start participating more but from the looks of things, a lot of people would rather I just be dead. Fine, do it! But I'm going to say that it would be a complete waste of a day. If you need me, I'll be practicing for my other competitions. (Glirdan)
Like I said, you want to lynch me, be my guest. I'm over this. All of you (who are alive) with the exception of SpM are after me due to my scilence. (Glirdan)

I'm suspicious of you only because there is no-one else to be suspicious of. I'm innocent. I think Farael is, because during DAY 5 Aiwendil's vote for him put him in the lead with six more voters left--an unnecessary risk for a Werewolf. I think Sauce is innocent because of his DAY 4/DAY 6 voting trend. I think Celuien is innocent because she was the second one to vote for Aiwendil.

That leaves you.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I expect more from you than this shrill defence of yourself.

We need thoughts. Views about the remaining villagers not stemming from anger over the accusations hurled against you.

Got it?

[Farael]

Glirdan, you remind me of a comment that SPM made about me

You seem to want to argue your way up into my suspicion list (or something along those lines)

To begin with, let's face it... Celuien is accusing you because she can't accuse anyone else. She could go after me I guess as my innocence is not as established, but given yesterday's happenings and the fact that you are more suspicious, you are an easy choice.

Now, I wonder, why would you react like you did? we all know that those who are silent are most likely to be suspected... you were silent, even if you had proper excuses, and so you are suspected. We had nothing to go on with, barely any voting record, no talk on both of the days we lynched a wolf. Don't you think that we AT LEAST have grounds to feel uneasy about you?

And about my 'apparent' contradiction, I said both that we should give you a chance to talk... and that if you didn't show up we should get rid of you. I Think we are all aware that you were coming back toDay and thus if you were still away it might have been a smart wolvish move to let us wonder about you without giving us anything to work with. Where's the contradiction?

Now that we have given you a (short so far) chance to talk, I must say I think you should have stayed silent, then perhaps we would have had second-thoughts on that matter.

And you know, something that had somehow slipped my mind until Nilp brought it up... Celuien was the second one to vote for Aiwolfdil.... which meant that one more vote would have meant Aiwen's lynching.... and I was yet to cast my vote. A wolvish Celuien should have known that I was innocent and thus all but certain to vote for Aiwendil.

If you can explain all that, I might consider not voting for you. If you go on another rant, accuse us all of not having a life outside werewolf and storm out to practice for your band... well, good luck with your band!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

We're here to find Werewolves, not attack each other with knives, fishing equipment, and musical instruments.

Now that you brought this up:And you know, something that had somehow slipped my mind until Nilp brought it up... Celuien was the second one to vote for Aiwolfdil.... which meant that one more vote would have meant Aiwen's lynching.... and I was yet to cast my vote. A wolvish Celuien should have known that I was innocent and thus all but certain to vote for Aiwendil. (Farael)I'm quite confused.

Glirdan goes on a very loud defence of himself. Understandable, but distracting.

Farael suddenly shifts his gunsight on Celuien--for a plausible reason, I must admit. It's something an innocent earnest in his search for a Werewolf would do. It is also something a Werewolf would do to sow confusion.

This DAY is no longer as clear-cut as I thought.

I shall be reviewing everything about the remaining villagers again. Be back with thoughts.

[Farael]

Where did I shift my gunsight on Celuien? no, I was misunderstood..... I said that she voted for Aiwendil second and given that I'd vote for him too she all but sealed his death. If she had voted me and Aiwendil joined her, it would have been up to SPM to choose the right person to vote for. Risky, but he might have voted me.

I meant to say that Celuien did NOT look guilty while Glirdan did very little to help his case

I also didn't mean to come out too strongly against Glirdan, if I did do ignore it... I guess at times I'm not good with connotations.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I misunderstood you.

But you had insufficient facts. I had voted for Aiwendil already. Formendacil said he will (cf. #458, 483). Then there's you and your consistent attack on him since DAY 1.

Three votes. He's doomed even before the votes were cast.

Someone might have joined in to look innocent.

[Farael]

I misunderstood you.

But you had insufficient facts. I had voted for Aiwendil already. Formendacil said he will (cf. #458, 483). Then there's you and your consistent attack on him since DAY 1.

Three votes. He's doomed even before the votes were cast.

Someone might have joined in to look innocent.
I shouldn't post after midnight... but still, there was a slight chance that I'd accumulate three votes more rapidly... but then, you have a good point, the best bet would have been to vote for Aiwendil.

OK, we are back on the starting line but I'm off to be.... *ahem* do alchemy... d

[The Saucepan Man]

Well I, for one, am not taking anything for granted. It is, I suppose, fair to say that Glirdan looks the most suspicious, given his silence and in light of the fact that he is the only villager not to have voted for a Wolf. But he has good reason for his silence over the past few Days. I have a feeling that, if he were guilty, then he would not have turned up today as that only makes him look more suspicious. But if he is not guilty, then the remaining Wolf has voted for a fellow Wolf at least once, which is going to make it difficult to find him or her. In short, I think we need to think carefully before rushing to lynch Glirdan. It may well be that he is the last Wolf, but I would rather consider the remaining possibilities first.

In the meantime, here is yesterday's voting record. Although it probably won't tell us much as everyone voted for a Wolf, excpet Aiwendil (the Wolf in question) and Glirdan, neither of whom voted.

Voting:

1. Nilpaurion Felagund for Aiwendil (Aiwendil-1)
2. Celuien for Aiwendil (Aiwendil-2)
3. The Saucepan Man for Aiwendil (Aiwendil-3)
4. Farael for Aiwendil (Aiwendil-4)
5. Formendacil for Aiwendil (Aiwendil-5)

Did not vote: Aiwendil, Glirdan

Back shortly with some more thoughts.

[The Saucepan Man]

Here are my thoughts on those that remain.

Farael: If Farael is a Wolf, then he and Aiwendil have been playing a very bold game. That said, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they were. It kept both him and Aiwendil from serious suspicion for the first few Days. Farael, because it was thought unlikely that a Wolf would come out so strongly against a single villager. And Aiwendil, because Farael's case was, at first at least, quite weak and easily answered by Aiwendil. Having gone strongly against Aiwendil at the beginning, he did, as I recall, rather back off when Aiwendil began to come under serious suspicion. I will have to look back and check the timing of this, but I think that it was on Day 4, when Eomer was lynched, that he declared that he did not suspect Aiwendil as much as his behaviour had indicated. He then said that Eomer was his main suspect, although somewhat ambiguously, but ended up not voting. The next Day, when Aiwendil remained under suspicion (particuarly from mormegil), he voted for himself. It was only yesterday, when Aiwendil was all but doomed, that Farael voted to seal his fate. In short, he is not cleared of suspicion in my mind, although if he is a Wolf, his strategy has been a very risky (albeit effective) one.

Celuien: If Celuien is a Wolf, then she is a brilliant actress. It is, however, possible that she picked up on Eomer's Ranger hints at the end of Day 4 and played along with it to either get tar-anclaime lynched in his place or, at the very least, make herself look more innocent. Yesterday, she started off more sympathetic towards Aiwendil than Farael yet, when it became clear (from what Nilp, Form and I had said) that Aiwendil was likely to be lynched, she was (rather easily, it seems to me) persuaded to vote for Aiwendil. Perhaps a ploy to make herself look innocent for the remainder of the game. Again, therefore, Celuien is not in the clear as far as I am concerned and in fact looks a more probable Wolf than Farael.

Nilpaurion Felagund: Well, if Nilp is a Wolf, he has voted twice for a fellow Wolf. And, in each case, he has voted first, which would have been an unnecessaily risky thing to do. That said, it is possible that, on each Day, he put in a Wolf-on-Wolf vote in the hope that village opinion would move away from the Wolf he had voted for. And, even if it did not, he would end up looking innocent, which indeed he has. However, while one Wolf-on-Wolf vote in these circumstances is plausible, two looks rather foolhardy.

Glirdan: As I said earlier, the only villager not to have voted for a Wolf. His main contribution has been to vote first for two innocents, both of whom were lynched on the Day he voted for them. Perhaps he was picking on likely candidates and attempting to start off bandwaggons. Other than his withdrawn vote for lmp (another likely candidate for lynching before he disappeared), he has not voted since. His silence over the last few Days, followed by his sudden reappearance today might also be regarded as suspicious. But I rather think that it is unlikely behaviour for a Wolf, precisely because it looks so suspicious. Nevertheless, he remains the most likely Wolf out of those remaining.

In summary, I think it most unlikely that Nilp is a Wolf. I can see a case for either Farael or Celuien being a Wolf. And Glirdan is currently the most Wolfish looking of all. Which gives me some doubt as to whether he is in fact a Wolf. Right now, I am almost more inclined to vote for Celuien or Farael than Glirdan.

[Celuien]

Again, therefore, Celuien is not in the clear as far as I am concerned and in fact looks a more probable Wolf than Farael.
....
In summary, I think it most unlikely that Nilp is a Wolf. I can see a case for either Farael or Celuien being a Wolf. And Glirdan is currently the most Wolfish looking of all. Which gives me some doubt as to whether he is in fact a Wolf. Right now, I am almost more inclined to vote for Celuien or Farael than Glirdan.

Well, I'm not. I voted for Aiwendil because I suspected him, though, grantedly, less than Farael at the time due to intuition. Since my intuition has invariably led me astray for the past few days, I let myself be persuaded, ignored the anti-Farael feeling, and voted Aiwendil. I'm glad I did, since I don't think Farael is a wolf now. Not after his loud accusations of Aiwendil. Though this could have been a bold set up from the beginning, somehow, I doubt it.

Farael's shifting suspicion to me is understandable. After all, you suspect me too, SPM, and I wasn't trying to get you lynched yesterday.

Anyway, if you really, really want to lynch me, go ahead. The village will still win tomorrow when you find out I'm not a wolf. Just take down Gaur-dan for me then. I'd rather be alive to see our victory, but such is life in Werewolf.

I have to go. So:

++GLIRDAN THE WOLF, FOUL FIEND OF SAURON

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, that was a rather dramatic vote!

I find it of some concern that Celuien has voted so early for Glirdan, without us having had much of an opportunity to discuss the other possibilities. Granted, she may well have good reason for having to vote early, but Glirdan is an obvious vote for a Wolf given how suspicious he is looking, and an early vote for him might be seen as a way of trying to ensure that he gets enough votes to condemn him.

I am beginning to suspect that Celuien may be our final, very clever, Wolf.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

460: Says that among Glirdan, Farael, and Aiwendil she's least suspicious of Aiwendil. Could be convinced to change her vote, though.

464: Thinks that it's a 100% that there is a Werewolf between Farael and Aiwendil. Still thinks Aiwendil is more innocent. Farael, she says, 'looks even odder after his self-vote . . .'

Thinks that Glirdan might be the best choice for that DAY, given the uncertainty between Aiwendil and Farael.

(I don't know; if we had lynched Farael then, we might have found out that he was innocent, and then got Aiwendil. Glirdan was a safe choice for both Werewolves then.)

468: Finds it hard to suspect Aiwendil because he thinks her innocent.

(Hmmm . . . )

Goes back to Aimè's suspicion list (Farael, Celuien, Nilpaurion). Thinks that he might have hidden a Werewolf among his choices. Says it brings her back to Farael.

Thinks that Farael or Glirdan could have discovered morm's secret profession, too.

474: Says she's more comfortable dealing with the Aiwendil/Farael issue now.

(I wonder why the . . . flip-flop.)

477: Defends self against Farael's accusation that she brought up Aimè's giftedness. Thinks it's making Farael look more Werewolvish.

486: Thinks that Farael is try to put suspicion on her with her earlier accusation.

491: Thinks Farael looks far more suspicious than Aiwendil. However, she sees the point in Sauce's post 487 about Aiwendil subtly prodding the village in the wrong direction.

493: Convinced by Sauce and votes for Aiwendil.

The froggie looks quite suspicious now.

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks for that analysis, Nilp, which expands on my thoughts earlier concerning Celuien. I agree that there is a distinct possibility that she was hoping to protect Aiwendil but that, when she realised that the cause was hopeless, she abandoned him.

I have been looking back at Aiwendil's analyses of Glirdan and Celuien on Day 5. The links are here:

Glirdan (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=450011&postcount=443)

Celuien (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=450046&postcount=445)

His conclusions were as follows:

Conclusion: He [Glirdan] doesn't look incredibly suspicious to me, but he's certainly worrying me. His votes have all been for innocents who died that DAY. Too obvious for a wolf? Maybe. But somehow he's avoided much suspicion for most of the game.

So I'm inclined to think Celuien is probably innocent, at the moment, if only for that reason.So Aiwendil stated that he viewed neither as particularly suspicious, but said that Celuien was the more likely to be innocent. Would he say that about a fellow Wolf in circumstances where he might himself be revealed (as he was under suspicion that Day)? Morevoer, it is difficult to conclude much from what he says as my own analyses of them reached much the same conclusion as his. Aiwendil continued to state that he thought Celuien most likely innocent yesterday. His main (stated) suspects were Farael and Glirdan. Which leads me wonder whether our Wolf may be one of those two.

Interestingly, Aiwendil voted for Farael on Day 5 to put him ahead of Glirdan and tar-anacalime. Risky if they were both Wolves, but it would have stood to his credit had Farael been lynched and shown to be a Wolf.

This is most certainly a difficult dilemma. If Farael is a Wolf, then he almost deserves to win for his brilliant interplay with Aiwendil. I am hesitant about voting for Glirdan as I think that his pattern of behaviour (silence followed by his sudden appearance today) is just too suspicious for a Wolf. So I am leaning towards Celuien at the moment. But, again, I am hesitant because of Aiwendil's defence of her over the last two Days.

Good grief! It feels like we are almost back to square one. Still, I feel that we have a one in three chance of catching the Wolf today. And, if we are wrong, we will most likely have a one in two chance tomorrow.

I am, however, doubtful of my chances of still being here tomorrow if we do get it wrong, so I would rather like to catch the last Wolf today ...

[Celuien]

This is my reason for voting early. (http://forums.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=450193&postcount=580) In fact, I'm at work now and about to be late.

Must go and meet with my team. Like I said before, kill me if you want, but remember me tomorrow.

Down with Glirdan the Terrible!

EDIT: crossed with SPM

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

++Celuien

Her DAY 6 posts were especially suspicious.

[Glirdan]

Well, I'm much more calm then I was when I returned earlier toDay. Now to adress a few thing that have been said.

I expect more from you than this shrill defence of yourself.

We need thoughts. Views about the remaining villagers not stemming from anger over the accusations hurled against you.

1) Of course you'll hear more from me other than shrill defenses. Come on! You know I'm smarter than that!

2) What can you expect from me? I go away for three days and gave you all a long notice on it, I come back, just like I said I would, and see all these accusations. Did you honestly think that I would respond to these calmly and casually?

To begin with, let's face it... Celuien is accusing you because she can't accuse anyone else. She could go after me I guess as my innocence is not as established, but given yesterday's happenings and the fact that you are more suspicious, you are an easy choice. (Farael)

I'm an easy target, I agree with that. The problem I have is that she concentrates on me and doesn't even bother to look at you. She seems very eager to get me out of the way.

Now, I wonder, why would you react like you did? we all know that those who are silent are most likely to be suspected... you were silent, even if you had proper excuses, and so you are suspected. We had nothing to go on with, barely any voting record, no talk on both of the days we lynched a wolf. Don't you think that we AT LEAST have grounds to feel uneasy about you?(Farael)

I can't believe you'd honestly think that i would react any other way. I do see your point in having grounds to suspect me because of the scilence, yet you all knew of this scilence way in advance. As it so happens, the second Wolf you caught was during my pre-arranged abscence. The first Wolf was caught when I could not get to a computer.

And about my 'apparent' contradiction, I said both that we should give you a chance to talk... and that if you didn't show up we should get rid of you. I Think we are all aware that you were coming back toDay and thus if you were still away it might have been a smart wolvish move to let us wonder about you without giving us anything to work with. Where's the contradiction?(Farael)

It seemed like a contradiction at the time. But that's probably because I was looking for something to vent on. Sorry about that.

Now that we have given you a (short so far) chance to talk, I must say I think you should have stayed silent, then perhaps we would have had second-thoughts on that matter.(Farael)

I must disagree with you on this matter. From all the suspicions that I've been getting for the past few days, it seems like the chances of me staying alive would have been very slim. Not to mention, as SpM has stated, if I were to be silent toDay when I specifically said I'd be back toDay, that would make me look even more Wolvish.

I hope that cleared things up a bit Farael. If not, well, I don't know what else I can do to help. I'll be back with more.

[The Saucepan Man]

Not to mention, as SpM has stated, if I were to be silent toDay when I specifically said I'd be back toDay, that would make me look even more Wolvish.Actually, I said that being silent for the last few Days and then putting an appearance now that there is only one Wolf left made you look even more suspicious than if you had stayed silent. In fact, I was thinking that it was almost too suspicious. But your mischaracterisation of my words makes me wonder.

I'll be back with more.I hope that you will be. Because right now, you are spending all of your time defending yourself. And that too makes me wonder about you.

[Glirdan]

Actually, I said that being silent for the last few Days and then putting an appearance now that there is only one Wolf left made you look even more suspicious than if you had stayed silent. In fact, I was thinking that it was almost too suspicious. But your mischaracterisation of my words makes me wonder.(SpM)

And that's where the fact that I'm on maybe fifteen hours of sleep in four days comes into play. I misunderstood you. However, I do stand by what I said. If I did not show, I would have been lynched. Now that I'm here, I have a chance to defend myself and hopefully stay alive.

As for me defending myself, that's one of my main objectives toDay as well as trying to find the last Wolf. I've also said that I'm only going over toDay's posts. I do not have time to go back and check over all the other posts (grrr for homework to catch up on!!).

[Celuien]

*stops back into the village during an unexpected lull in work activity*

The problem I have is that she concentrates on me and doesn't even bother to look at you.

I looked at Farael quite a bit yesterday and very nearly voted for him. I no longer believe he's guilty because he loudly and persistently accused Aiwendil. Who turned out to be a wolf. And I don't think they would have played that visible a game.

Which leaves you, SPM and Nilp appearing innocent due to their involvement in the discoveries of both Wereomer and Ai-wolf-dil.

Not regretting my vote at all here.

[The Saucepan Man]

If Glirdan was a Wolf, I would actually have expected him to be less defensive today and trying hard instead to get someone other than himself lynched. I may be making a mistake here, but I tend to think that his defensiveness speaks more in favour of innocence than guilt.

Farael, if he is a Wolf, has played an excellent game and I will take my hat off to him. But that aggressive pursuit of Aiwendil was surely too risky for a Wolf.

Nilp, I still trust. I don't think that he would have taken the risk of putting his fellow Wolf in danger twice.

Which leaves me with Celuien. Of those who voted yesterday for Aiwendil, her behaviour looks the most suspicious to me. I felt at the time that she was rather too easily swayed by my arguments against Aiwendil. And she has been pursuing Glirdan rather too aggressively today for my liking. And so I will cross my fingers and vote:

++ CELUIEN

With Glirdan yet to vote, I suspect that this may well have sealed her fate. If I am right, all well and good. But if I am wrong, it will probably be down to you, Nilp, to choose between Glirdan and Farael. If so, I hope that you choose correctly.

[Celuien]

And so it has, I'm sure. No way is Glirdy voting for himself.

I hope you get that last wolf tomorrow. Think better of me then!

As for me, I accept my fate with quiet dignity and grace.

At least the wolf-cook didn't get to turn me into frog fricassee.

[Glirdan]

I shall have to leave shortly and I must cast my vote now.

++Celuien

After all the analyses done toDay, she looks the most suspicious. Good night and I hope this is the final one where we have to put up with a lycan.

[Farael]

I know it's meaningless but I still feel uneasy about Glirdan. Much more uneasy than soon-to-be-dead Celuien anyway. The problem here is that, should Celuien be found innocent, I'm sure this will appear pretty bad to whoever is left an innocent along with me tomorrow. Anyway, I still don't buy Glirdan's defense of himself

++Glirdan

And may Eru forgive me if I'm wrong... oh, and forgiveness from Glirdan would be goood as well =P

[Shelob]

(The village had been quiet but, then again, there had been little for them to discuss. With only 5 remaining villagers and one of them a wolf there was no longer much need for long analysis of numerous people.)

Celuien: Well, I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t just lynch Glirdan right now.
Glirdan: I can think of a reason, a very good reason, I’m not a wolf. You though, you’re looking very wolfy.
Saucepan Man: I’m afraid I have to agree with Glirdan, our amphibian’s looking a bit fishy.
Nilp: Thanks for stealing my line, but I agree. Sorry Celuien.
Farael: I’m not so sure, I rather agree with Celuien. However…

(The villagers try to catch Celuien, being an amphibian she manages to avoid them for a while, but eventually they get her cornered in the fountain. Deciding that she really has no chance Celuien gives in and allows them to bring her to the gallows.)

Celuien:So long, (turning to address her oldest friend in the village) and thanks for all the fish.

(With that the villagers lynched their resident amphibian, who happened to be one fifth of their remaining villagers, and one fourth their remaining innocents. They depart from the square knowing that there is but one day more, come what may.)

-----
Living:
Saucepan Man
Farael
Glirdan
Nilpaurion Felagund

Dead:
Shelob (Mod)--Killed by wolves on NIGHT 1
Abercrombie (Mod)--Killed while Yeti-Spotting on NIGHT 1
Gil-Galad (Ordinary)--Lynched at the close of DAY 1
Holbytlass (True Seer)--Gloucester-ized and welled on NIGHT 2
Lhunardawen (Ordinary)--Drown’d a muddy death upon DAY 2
Anguirel (Ordinary)--Killed quite safely during NIGHT 3
Littlemanpoet (Ordinary)--Vanished during DAY 3
Garin (Ordinary)--Lynched at the end of an eventful DAY 3
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant (Ordinary)--Thus was the shepherd beaten from their side during NIGHT 4
Eomer of the Rohirrim (Werewolf)--Died without a friend, but plenty of fiends DAY 4.
Boromir88 (Ranger)--Like Corey, burried under the contents of a Quarry during NIGHT 5
Tar-Ancalime (Ordinary)--Made an Ex-ex-leper at the end of DAY 5
Kath (Ordinary)--Killed by the Hunter during NIGHT 6
Mormegil (Hunter)-- )--in the back by wolves during NIGHT 6
Aiwendil (Werewolf)--burned at the stake at the end of DAY 6
Formendacil (False Seer/Fool)--Done to death by numerous papercuts during NIGHT 7
Celuien (Ordinary)--Lynched at the close of the 7th DAY

NIGHT 8 begins, wolf you know your job.

[Shelob]

(The villagers begin this day by entering the home of their esteemed fishmonger, as with wolf kills before things within the house seem slightly dishevelled and they were greeted by a corpse. In this case though there were a few unusual things about the corpse.)

Glirdan: Nilpaurion is…hanging…from the ceiling…
Farael: ...With a hook through his head…
Saucepan Man: Looks like he was stabbed before though, so at least the hook wasn’t what killed him.
Farael: Still though, and there was a curtain around him.
Glirdan: And a note saying “For a ducat I am slain”

(And so the villagers begin their final day, not knowing what will come from it.)

-----
Living:
Saucepan Man
Farael
Glirdan

Dead:
Shelob (Mod)--Killed by wolves on NIGHT 1
Abercrombie (Mod)--Killed while Yeti-Spotting on NIGHT 1
Gil-Galad (Ordinary)--Lynched at the close of DAY 1
Holbytlass (True Seer)--Gloucester-ized and welled on NIGHT 2
Lhunardawen (Ordinary)--Drown’d a muddy death upon DAY 2
Anguirel (Ordinary)--Killed quite safely during NIGHT 3
Littlemanpoet (Ordinary)--Vanished during DAY 3
Garin (Ordinary)--Lynched at the end of an eventful DAY 3
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant (Ordinary)--Thus was the shepherd beaten from their side during NIGHT 4
Eomer of the Rohirrim (Werewolf)--Died without a friend, but plenty of fiends DAY 4.
Boromir88 (Ranger)--Like Corey, burried under the contents of a Quarry during NIGHT 5
Tar-Ancalime (Ordinary)--Made an Ex-ex-leper at the end of DAY 5
Kath (Ordinary)--Killed by the Hunter during NIGHT 6
Mormegil (Hunter)-- )--in the back by wolves during NIGHT 6
Aiwendil (Werewolf)--burned at the stake at the end of DAY 6
Formendacil (False Seer/Fool)--Done to death by numerous papercuts during NIGHT 7
Celuien (Ordinary)--Lynched at the close of the 7th DAY
Nilpaurion Felagund (Ordinary)--Fortunately not gutted during NIGHT 8

DAY 8 begins, whether you people catch the wolf or not this day ends it. Good Luck all.

[Glirdan]

Ok, now I'm seriously afraid. I know I'm completely innocent (even though neither of you will probably believe me). I don't know which of you to believe!! Normally if SpM is still alive, that does not bode well. But Farael is a sneaky kiniving fellow, but I think if he's the Wolf, then his game is up. If you really wanted to win, then you should have gone for SpM because I know for a fact that Nilp would have voted for me and now you leaving SpM alive might be your undoing. SpM, I don't know what to say to make you believe me, but I'm pretty sure you're innocent. If you're not, you're a very kiniving fellow and I wouldn't put it past you. I'm so horribly confused.....

[The Saucepan Man]

Normally if SpM is still alive, that does not bode well.I must say that I am rather surprised to still be here. I suppose, given that Nilp was (thankfully) innocent after all, that it was always going to be either him or me that the Wolf would attack last night, but I rather expected it to be me.

Which leaves me with two fellow villagers, one of whom is a Wolf and the other of whom is innocent. My inclination, particularly after yesterday's events (and given all that Farael/Aiwendil business), is to think Glirdan the Wolf. But perhaps the reason that I am still alive is because a Wolfish Farael predicted that I would be inclined to that view. Then again, I am sure that Nilp would have felt the same way.

Anyway, for the sake of tradition, here is yesterday's voting record:

1. Celuien for Glirdan (Glirdan-1)
2. Nilpaurion Felagund (Glirdan-1; Celuien-1)
3. The Saucepan Man for Celuien (Glirdan-1; Celuien-2)
4. Glirdan for Celuien (Glirdan-1; Celuien-3)
5. Farael for Glirdan (Glirdan-2; Celuien-3)

I am not sure that it reveals much, although it is notable that Farael voted for Glirdan at a time when Celuien was already headed for the noose. Possibly, it was a pre-emptive Wolfish attempt to sway the remaining innocent against Glirdan today. But that would seem rather obvious.

Back shortly with more thoughts. I want to review the Farael/Aiwendil thing and see whether there is any possibility that it was a Wolfish ploy.

[Farael]

You forget two things Glirdan... first of all, the two remaining innocents have voted for at least one wolf before (I missed the deadline in the voting for Eomer). Second, if indeed I were the wolf, why would I kill Nilp who has not suspected me once? he voted me on the first day based on a promise he made, but since then he has not really accused nor voted for me.

On the other hand SPM has at the very least doubted me. I hope his doubts are clear now, but it'd be much better for a Farael wolf to get rid of that really smart man rather than Nilp who can barely post twice given his timezones.

Furthermore, if you were innocent, why not kill you off? SPM will not suspect Nilp because of the "anagram scandal" and vice-versa so that'd leave me as the odd man out... werewolf win.

If SPM is a werewolf, not only he has voted for his fellow werewolves twice, but he has done it before it was clear they 'd be dead... awfully daring and it might make for a few enemies once the game is over. If the wolves actually planned this, then hats off to them but.... it's unlikely

Finally, All you have done is try to defend yourself. Your post toDay was very defensive even though no-one had had a chance to voice any suspicions against you just yet... do you really think I'm that much of an easy target? I'd vote for you right now Glirdan, but as someone said once, let's not be hasty....

[Glirdan]

You forget two things Glirdan... first of all, the two remaining innocents have voted for at least one wolf before (I missed the deadline in the voting for Eomer).(Farael)

Is it my fault that I had absolutely no computer access for both times??

Second, if indeed I were the wolf, why would I kill Nilp who has not suspected me once? he voted me on the first day based on a promise he made, but since then he has not really accused nor voted for me.(Farael)

That's exactly what a Wolf would say. Nilp was the perfect target for you because of him not being suspicious of you. Him thinking you innocent would make a perfect cover story for you if he was innocent. If you got rid of me, then the suspicions probably would have shifted straight to you. Since Nilp already thought you innocent, attacking SpM would have been pretty safe for you and I would have been lynched. I really don't know why you didn't go with that last option.

Furthermore, if you were innocent, why not kill you off? SPM will not suspect Nilp because of the "anagram scandal" and vice-versa so that'd leave me as the odd man out... werewolf win.(Farael)

I just answered that above. The suspicion would automatically shift to you. Honestly, if I were a Wolf, I probably just wouldn't have shown up yesterDay and even if I did show up and had another kill, I'd probably would have went for you. No matter what, it's a village win. Do you think me that stupid??

If SPM is a werewolf, not only he has voted for his fellow werewolves twice, but he has done it before it was clear they 'd be dead... awfully daring and it might make for a few enemies once the game is over. If the wolves actually planned this, then hats off to them but.... it's unlikely (Farael)

My thoughts exactly. Mind you, the fact that he's still around is rather....unnerving.

Finally, All you have done is try to defend yourself. Your post toDay was very defensive even though no-one had had a chance to voice any suspicions against you just yet... do you really think I'm that much of an easy target? I'd vote for you right now Glirdan, but as someone said once, let's not be hasty....(Farael)

Did you expect anything less from me on the last Day?? You have really surprised me these past two Days. Of course I'm going to defend myself. My head is pretty much on the chopping block. If you really think about, our fates lie in the hands of SpM...who might be the final Wolf. Unlikely, yet possible.

I must say that I am rather surprised to still be here. I suppose, given that Nilp was (thankfully) innocent after all, that it was always going to be either him or me that the Wolf would attack last night, but I rather expected it to be me. (SpM)

Like I said, you being here is unnerving. But I'm pretty sure you're innocent, especially when you look at your voting record.

I am not sure that it reveals much, although it is notable that Farael voted for Glirdan at a time when Celuien was already headed for the noose. Possibly, it was a pre-emptive Wolfish attempt to sway the remaining innocent against Glirdan today. But that would seem rather obvious.

If I may say something in my defense (that's right Farael, I'm DEFENDING myself), my vote was going to be for Celuien all Day. I just held it off to see if something would pop up to change my view and vote. I also find that Farael's vote was a rather safe vote. He didn't want to be one who voted for an innocent(proven at the end of the Day) because he already had suspicon on him and didn't want to add more to him.

I hope you return soon SpM. As I said, our fates lie in your hands.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I have had a chance to briefly review the Farael/Aiwendil business, and it has not really changed the conclusion that I reached yesterday - that it remains possible that Farael is a Wolf who has been pursuing a very bold strategy. But, if so, it has also been an extremely risky strategy, given the suspicion that his erratic behaviour has attracted. Nevertheless, it has enabled him to survive until the final Day.

The votes yesterday could be read either way. Glirdan voted for Celuien, now a known innocent. Then again, if a Wolf, why would he do so when her fate was already all but sealed? To make it look less Wolfish? Farael's vote, on the other hand, could also be seen as Wolfish, as Celuien was shortly to be revealed as an innocent.

As for today, Farael seems to be continuing aggressively to pursue Glirdan, while Glirdan is behaving far more defensively. Glirdan's behaviour looks the more innocent, but then perhaps he is hoping that I will think that way.

As I said, our fates lie in your hands.Indeed, as does the fate of our poor, depleted village. And I really have no idea which way to cast my vote. Still, there is time yet, and I am hoping (perhaps against the odds) that things may become clearer as the Day progresses.

[The Saucepan Man]

That's exactly what a Wolf would say. Nilp was the perfect target for you because of him not being suspicious of you. Him thinking you innocent would make a perfect cover story for you if he was innocent. If you got rid of me, then the suspicions probably would have shifted straight to you. Since Nilp already thought you innocent, attacking SpM would have been pretty safe for you and I would have been lynched. I really don't know why you didn't go with that last option.Actually, it would have made more sense for a Wolfish Farael to kill me rather than Nilp. As he said, Nilp hardly suspected him, whereas I have expressed doubts about him. But perhaps it would have looked too obvious, for just that reason. As you suggest, he may have thought it better to kill the villager who suspected him less, as it makes him look less guilty. Indeed, by killing Nilp, he may have been intending to raise this point in his defence, as indeed he has.

Furthermore, if you were innocent, why not kill you off? SPM will not suspect Nilp because of the "anagram scandal" and vice-versa so that'd leave me as the odd man out... werewolf win. Farael, I don't get what you are trying to say here. If you are a Wolf, there is no way that you would have killed Glirdan. You being the "odd Wolf out" would surely have led to a villager win.

[Glirdan]

Well, I'm going to have to cast my vote soon (curse this timezone illness!!! :mad: ) and depart until the Day's end. That's it for now. I'll be back in a bit to check in.

[Farael]

Farael, I don't get what you are trying to say here. If you are a Wolf, there is no way that you would have killed Glirdan. You being the "odd Wolf out" would surely have led to a villager win.

I was defending you SPM.... saying that if YOU Were the wolf, you could have gotten rid of Glirdan and thus I was the odd man out...

[Glirdan]

Well, I must cast my vote and it's pretty obvious whom it's for

++Farael

All I have to say is Good Luck.

[The Saucepan Man]

I was defending you SPM....Oh, I see. You are saying that, if either Nilp or I were Wolves, then our better choice would have been Glirdan. I beg to differ. I think that, if I were a Wolf, my best choice would have been Nilp.

Well, it seems that the fate of the game is indeed now my hands. If I vote for Farael, then he will be lynched. If I vote for Glirdan, then he will be probably be lynched. Farael is unlikely to bring about a three way tie, as that would mean that he would be lynched.

OK, let's end this now.

++ FARAEL

[Farael]

Fool!!!! Master of Pans, you have just showed why you should be lynched before the last night comes around. I am innocent, and given that you have not celebrated while voting for me, I can see that you are too


++Glirdan

Is the wolf.

We lost, my friend.

Edit:Trying to achieve drama, I don't really think you a fool

[The Saucepan Man]

We lost, my friend.We did? I am not so sure.

Now, be off to the gallows with you, you unworthy creature. No one calls the Viscount Kettle a fool and lives to tell the tale.

Give me a hand there will you, young Glirdan. But mind you don't go bruising that juicy, tender flesh of yours in the process.

:rolleyes: :D

[Farael]

Give me a hand there will you, young Glirdan. But mind you don't go bruising that juicy, tender flesh of yours in the process.

:rolleyes: :D
Hold on.... juicy, tender flesh? are you trying to say something SPM?

[The Saucepan Man]

... are you trying to say something SPM?Nothing more than that Glirdan and I propose lynching one who deserves no more. And I most certainly would not want him to come to any harm in the endeavour.

[Farael]

Nothing more than that Glirdan and I propose lynching one who deserves no more. And I most certainly would not want him to come to any harm in the endeavour.

You better not be the one to grow fangs and hair at the end of the day SPM.... if that happens, there'll be a lynching in Modern-day England :mad:

Either that or I'll feel really really fooled.

[The Saucepan Man]

Come now, Master Alchemist. Surely it should have been obvious to us all how you excel in the art of transformation. It would seem that you have been delving too deeply in your studies into the mutability of elements.

You and I know both know that this is but a charade. You are naught but a lowly cur. But you could at least have the courage to face your fate like the man that you are by day.

[Farael]

Cant Shelob come over already? I'm not sure if I should smack SPM for voting for the remaining innocent or smack SPM For fooling me.....

SPM you are going to be smacked either way.

Edit: Wrong mod's name

[The Saucepan Man]

Er, Farael, you're beginning to worry me ... :eek:

[Farael]

Er, Farael, you're beginning to worry me ... :eek:
You have me worried already, admit to be a wolf or a fool but admit it already!!!!

[The Saucepan Man]

I cannot believe that you are still maintaining this pretence.

Yet in sooth, Eaumor is but a stage and we are all mere players on it. Methinks it will not be long ere the curtain falls on you and we will all know the truth of it.

[Farael]

I cannot believe that you are still maintaining this pretence.

Yet in sooth, Eaumor is but a stage and we are all mere players on it. Methinks it will not be long ere the curtain falls on you and we will all know the truth of it.

Pretence? you are the acting one and the curtain shall fall on us innocent villagers....

[The Saucepan Man]

Either way, it's curtains for you, my dear fellow. :D

[Farael]

Either way, it's curtains for you, my dear fellow. :D
So it does for you, I'm not trying to save myself.... or well, not my WW playing self... I'm trying to save my real self from being thinking about WW during my chem lab =P

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, whatever will be, will be.

And now I must take my leave of you 'til we meet one final time on the scaffold some four hours hence. For now, I go to mourn those who have fallen in the cause.

But remember, the Play's the thing ... ;)

[Glirdan]

Farael, I believe I've been duped!!! This Master of Pans is more than likely the last Wolf!! :eek: I had a horrible feeling that he was the final Wolf, yet I didn't have enough proof to go with!! It all makes perfect sense to me now!! He knew that by attacking Nilp, I would be sure to think him innocent because him and Nilp thought each other innocent and he already knew that you were going to go after me!! You kiniving Pan Man you!!!

Please Shelob, end this as soon as may be!!

[Shelob]

Scene xxvi
(The day’s discussions had been short, for the most part the villagers were uncertain and defensive. They did not know who to suspect and so the voting had been hastily done, better to end the day quickly than drag out their end. So it was that Farael found himself being led to the scaffolding which still loomed over the now all but empty village square.)

Farael: Fools!!!!! You don’t know what you’ve gotten yourselves into, Lynch Glirdan! He’s the Wolf, not me!
Glirdan: Come now, I know myself to be innocent, and The Pan Man there clearly can’t be the wolf, look at him.

(Farael turns to look at Saucepan Man as Glirdan has directed him to. However as he turns his head Glirdan takes the silver dagger, still on the ground from when Formendacil used it to kill the first wolf, and stabs it through Farael’s back. The Alchemist does not take long to die, but when Glirdan looks at his fellow villager’s corpse he’s struck by the overly surprised look on Farael’s face.)

Glirdan: Ha! Caught you by surprise did I there Wolfarael? (he turns to face SPM) I told you he was a….

(Here the musician look fully at SPM and is struck by the same surprising scene which Farael saw as he died, The Saucepan Man in the midst of a horrible transformation. Glirdan remains motionless in shock as the transformation finishes, the now fully lupine SPM looks at his remaining prey and the glint in his eye suggests that he is quite pleased with the turn of events.)

Glirdan: Look not so fierce on me! Adders and Serpents let me breath awhile! Ugly Hell, gape not!

(Exaunt THE LYCAN MAN with GLIRDAN)


Scene xxvii
(Enter 3 villagers from the Next Village over)

1st Villager: Come let us go visit Eaumor, for such a dreadful night was never seen since first the world’s creation did begin. Such fearful shrieks and cries were never heard. Pray heaven the villagers have escaped the danger.
2nd Villager: O, help us heaven, see here are Eaumor’s inhabitants all torn asunder by the hand of death!
3rd Villager: The beings who in Eaumor lived have torn them thus! For twixt the hours of twelve and one, methought I heard them shriek and call aloud for help, at which self time the world seemed all on fire with dreadful horror of the damnèd fiends.
2nd Villager: Well, though Eaumor’s end be such as every heart laments to think on, yet it was a village once admired for it’s wondrous integrity. We’ll give its mangled inhabitants due burial, and all our town clothed in mourning black shall wait upon their heavy funeral.

(Exaunt all)

Epilogue
(Enter SHELOB)

Shelob:
The tale we'd set to tell is told
The final corpse is gowing cold.
So with my final modding breath
I ask that you arise from death.
This double haunting, this wolf's cry,
It says that Eaumor here shall lie
And echos my wish that you now'll
Awake, friends, to their victorious howl.
Converse then, speak as you have will
The play is done but we are still
Ranger, Hunter, False Seer and True
Villager, Wolf, both cast and crew.
And 'til those parts begin to fade
Remember that what here was played
Was but a game and should not mean
That all things were as they did seem.

-----
Living:
Saucepan Man (Werewolf)
Glirdan (Ordinary)

Dead:
Shelob (Mod)--Killed by wolves on NIGHT 1
Abercrombie (Mod)--Killed while Yeti-Spotting on NIGHT 1
Gil-Galad (Ordinary)--Lynched at the close of DAY 1
Holbytlass (True Seer)--Gloucester-ized and welled on NIGHT 2
Lhunardawen (Ordinary)--Drown’d a muddy death upon DAY 2
Anguirel (Ordinary)--Killed quite safely during NIGHT 3
Littlemanpoet (Ordinary)--Vanished during DAY 3
Garin (Ordinary)--Lynched at the end of an eventful DAY 3
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant (Ordinary)--Thus was the shepherd beaten from their side during NIGHT 4
Eomer of the Rohirrim (Werewolf)--Died without a friend, but plenty of fiends DAY 4.
Boromir88 (Ranger)--Like Corey, burried under the contents of a Quarry during NIGHT 5
Tar-Ancalime (Ordinary)--Made an Ex-ex-leper at the end of DAY 5
Kath (Ordinary)--Killed by the Hunter during NIGHT 6
Mormegil (Hunter)-- )--in the back by wolves during NIGHT 6
Aiwendil (Werewolf)--burned at the stake at the end of DAY 6
Formendacil (False Seer/Fool)--Done to death by numerous papercuts during NIGHT 7
Celuien (Ordinary)--Lynched at the close of the 7th DAY
Nilpaurion Felagund (Ordinary)--Fortunately not gutted during NIGHT 8
Farael (Ordinary)--Killed as he learned the truth on DAY 8

THE GAME HAS ENDED, and I'm so glad you all caught my little note about the death having to be delayed due to German, just be lucky that I got a chance to check the votes this morning before school, since I knew Farael was dying I could work on the death between classes and whatnot, otherwise I'd be writing it now.

[Garin]

Sauce you magnificent bastard! I knew it! ...And the way you disregarded my 'destined to be a werewolf' remark.

I'm at work, more later.

[mormegil]

I don't know whether to pat you on the back Sauce or fly over to England and lynch you properly myself. A magnificent job. Well played to all wolves. What a scary trio! I actually began to suspect you, Sauce, near the end. I've been kicking myself for days now. I hunted Aiwendil the 2nd to last night and came very close to changing my vote. However I got tied up at work and wasn't able to. I wish I would have helped out the village more than I did.

Eomer and Aiwendil well done.

How did you guess Holby was the seer? Don't tell me it was dumb luck!

Boromir, it was great working with you and I felt the lack of your companionship my last day. I really needed somebody to talk to, so poor Shelob heard my rants and of course didn't reply :p .

Shelob, very fun concept and a great game to all.

[Kath]

Why oh why oh why do I never go with my instincts? Oh right, because SPM tries to get me lynched if I do :rolleyes:

Congrats SPM, you're one hell of a wolf.

[Anguirel]

Flabbergasting.

I was certain as Celuien that Glirdan was guilty...

I wish I'd survived longer to be duped...well, but for the fact that I enjoyed WWJV...

In short...wow.

[Shelob]

poor Shelob heard my rants and of course didn't reply
^Morm

That wouldn't have been the "I've had this horrible feeling that SpM and Aiwendil are wolves." Night would it? Because that was probably the most amazing thing all game...and if it was how exactly would you expect me to reply, "Interesting thought that, go with it"? As for the PM after that I think I was too busy to respond...or maybe I was laughing too hard, whichever.


Anyway, thanks all. That was more fun than playing in a game...and significantly less detrimental on my schoolwork...

[Holbytlass]

Well done, wolves!
In my VERY short seer career I dreamt of Garin first because I didn't know his style.
Then I decided that my plan of action would be to dream of 'quiet' ones first and work my way up, Farael being second, because innocent or not 'loud' people get themselves lynched/attacked fairly quick. And the village is left with quiets who don't leave alot of posting trails. So you see Eomer, Aiwendil and Saucepan being loud folk you all would have been safe from my dreams for awhile!! :mad: :D
So why me that night?

Wonderful job Shelob!! I liked the play style and my death. Shall I get you some Tylenol?

[Shelob]

Shall I get you some Tylenol?

No, but if you want to come clear the pile of plays off my floor that'd be grand...it's probably not a good thing if I can't get from point to point in my room because there's a pile of Shakespeare, or Wilde, or Ibsen in the way...


Also, would there be any interest in a list of what I referenced/used in my Death write ups? I know wolves are usually asked to explain their kills but I'm not sure if Mods are ever asked to explain theirs...

[littlemanpoet]

Heh. After I "poofed", it suddenly hit me: if SPM is a werewolf, everything that's happened suddenly makes sense. Well done, SPM. I kinda knew it from Day One, don't ask me how. I should have paid more attention to my gut instinct too. There was too much that was just a little different about the way SPM played, but with SPM playing on Morm's suspicions of me, shee! Well played, well played. That's the last time I let my feelings get the better of me in werewolf.

We do need to have a little chat about anagrams, acronyms, and what-not though.... ;)

[mormegil]

^Morm

That wouldn't have been the "I've had this horrible feeling that SpM and Aiwendil are wolves." Night would it? Because that was probably the most amazing thing all game...and if it was how exactly would you expect me to reply, "Interesting thought that, go with it"? As for the PM after that I think I was too busy to respond...or maybe I was laughing too hard, whichever.


Anyway, thanks all. That was more fun than playing in a game...and significantly less detrimental on my schoolwork...

I didn't actually expect a reply but I needed Boromir around. And yes it was that night that I had "an awful sinking feeling that both Awiendil and SpM are wolves". It's so frustrating to look back on things like that and know that you had it correct at a time but failed to pursue it. Aiwendil was good at convincing me of his innocence. I TOOK THE BAIT!!!! :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Excellent modding Shelob, I enjoyed the shakesperean/play set up :D .

Boromir, it was great working with you and I felt the lack of your companionship my last day. I really needed somebody to talk to, so poor Shelob heard my rants and of course didn't reply .
Thank you, I can certainly see the same. It is too bad what happened because once you were knocked off I began to seriously think Sauce was the last wolf. ;)

Well done to the wolves and to those innocents left. I was having a fit how the lynchings turned up...I mean I don't know about you but the night of my death it seemed pretty clear to me that Celuien and Tar were innocent, though great job by the wolves in getting them lynched.

I'll opt to never be the ranger again lol. :p

[Glirdan]

See!! See!!! Told you I was innocent!! Ha!! :D

SpM, you really duped me!! I could have sworn Farael was the Wolf, but then, it hit me when you said the "juicy, tender flesh" bit. Either way, you won and you knew it!! You kiniving little....GRRRR!!! :mad:

I'm sorry Farael. Let's call it even. How about we go with morm to properly lynch SpM??

Awsome writing Shelob. Loved it. May I ask how brutally mudrdered I was???

[Shelob]

May I ask how brutally mudrdered I was?
Well the Play I stole that scene from (everything from the "look not so fierce") Christopher Marlow's Doctor Faustus ...in which the three scholars who come to visit Faustus (three villagers) find Faustus' limbs scattered across the stage...here I just said "inhabitants", rather than "limbs" ...but arguable you were torn to pieces...

[Kuruharan]

Congrats SPM, you're one hell of a wolf.

I think we all knew this already. (In theory anyway, I think this was his first time...)

Good thing for him I wasn't playing...he'd never have gotten away with it. ;)

[JennyHallu]

I SAW IT COMING!

I've been lurking, and I KNEW Sauce was a wolf...(no inside information, just seemed...obvious...)

And Farael, I have thus been laughing hysterically at pretty much everything you've said all day... You got me some weird looks at work ;)

[Celuien]

AHHHH. SPM! Didn't see that coming. At least not until you voted for Farael today. I bow in awe of your magnificent deception of the village.

Brilliant wolfing. All three of you.

And cheers to Shelob for a great set of narrations.

And great game all around. :D

[Aiwendil]

Well done, my dear Saucepan Wolf! I was afraid that by the last DAY, you'd stick out like a sore thumb, still being alive and all. But apparently the two wolf sacrifices did the trick.

It really was peculiar, though, how un-suspected SPM was throughout the game. If I'm not mistaken, the heaviest attacks against him came from me.

Mormegil wrote:
How did you guess Holby was the seer? Don't tell me it was dumb luck!

Afraid it was. Actually, after DAY 1 we rather suspected that either Tar or Farael was the Seer, given Tar's "random" vote for Eomer and Farael's vicious attack against me. We seriously considered killing one of them that NIGHT, but then we thought that this would draw too much attention to either me or Eomer. Holbytlass was chosen largely because no one was suspicious of her so far and her death left no obvious trail.

Mormegil and Boromir, on the other hand, we had pegged. I believe we started to suspect that one or both of you might be Gifted on the NIGHT we killed Spawn. By the following NIGHT, we were sure that Boromir was the Ranger and Mormegil the Hunter.

I hunted Aiwendil the 2nd to last night and came very close to changing my vote

We almost killed you one NIGHT earlier but we went for Boromir instead because we feared he might be protecting you (actually, I believe we had some fairly far-fetched idea that you might be setting us up in some way). And Saucepan and I hesitated a great deal before deciding to kill you when we did - for fear you'd be hunting me. What made up my mind in the end was the fact that most likely you were only going to get more and more suspicious of me on subsequent NIGHTs, so if we didn't kill you then, we might not have another chance.

[Farael]

That's it man of the many pans, I am joining the "Let's Lynch SPM Even Though The Game Is Over" bandwagon....

You are a cold-blooded, calculating monster.... please OH PLEASE be werewolf with me some day :D

I had a feeling that you might be our remaining wolf for a while but I kept ignoring it as I thought it was a bit of "werewolf paranoia" that we all suffer from time to time. Good game, really.

:D The only thing that keeps me happy is that I was right about Aiwendil :D

Anyway, at least I survived to the very end... and Glirdan, don't worry about it... I would have made the same mistake (but the other way about) should I had gotten a chance to vote first.

I'm already licking my paws for the next game... Given that Nilp is mod, I'll play Nilp =D with a fair dose of Farael, of course.

[mormegil]

We almost killed you one NIGHT earlier but we went for Boromir instead because we feared he might be protecting you (actually, I believe we had some fairly far-fetched idea that you might be setting us up in some way). And Saucepan and I hesitated a great deal before deciding to kill you when we did - for fear you'd be hunting me. What made up my mind in the end was the fact that most likely you were only going to get more and more suspicious of me on subsequent NIGHTs, so if we didn't kill you then, we might not have another chance.

Actually we were setting you up. We believed that we left enough hints that we should be known and I was believed innocent and therefore likely to die. Boromir wasn't going to protect me. I didn't want him to and I was ready to die...I'm so mad that I didn't get to kill you though. I seriously just want to take the village on my shoulders and win, much to the annoyance of some like Formendacil. :p

[The Saucepan Man]

At last!

MWAHAHA!

Well, I was delighted to finally get to be a Wolf at last, but I am not sure that I want to be one again. I thought that being an Ordo was stressful! And my home and work life rather suffered as a result ... :eek:

I actually thought that I would make a rather poor Wolf, for a number of reasons. My main fear was that I would let something slip in one of my posts which, given that I had to maintain my standard verbosity, meant that each post took ages to create. And I wondered what I would find to talk about when I knew who was innocent and who was not. But my greatest fears were that the Seer would dream of me the first Night or that my continued presence would eventually arouse suspicion (thanks to Aiwendil for heading that one off).

Still, it was great fun, and I must first thank my fellow Wolves, Eomer and Aiwendil who were great team-mates and most gracious when ruthlessly sacrificed for the greater cause. I was mightily impressed when I first saw the line-up, and I was not proven wrong. We actually didn't start off with a Wolf sacrifice strategy, but were all alive to it as a possibility if it would be to the benefit of one or more of us. I was perfectly prepared to be sacrificed myself, had anyone ever seriously suspected me. I was just lucky that no one really did, apart from a few murmurs.

Those Wolf-on-Wolf votes were the most difficult decisions that I had to make all game, and the timing of them was crucial. Lucky that I have internet access at my desk. On both Days, I had calculated it more likely than not that each would be lynched, even without my vote.

Credit must go to dancing spawn and Farael, both of whom proved to be persistent and worrying thorns in our collective sides. Mormegil, Boromir88 and Formendacil also proved rather tricksy to us. I am sorry about the little tomfoolery on my part at the end there Farael, but I could not resist. You had been such a pain to us with your persistent pursuit of Aiwendil, that I felt a little sport was in order. ;)

Thank you too to all those who participated, for contributing to such a fun (albeit nerve-racking) game. I must admit to feeling a little guilt concerning my deception of Nilp, but it just goes to show that hidden messages are no more reliable than open statements (but more of that later, on the admin thread). I also felt rather guilty about turning Celuien against Aiwendil and then using it against her the next Day. But deception is, I suppose, the name of the game when one is a Wolf.

As for those kills, well Holby on Night 2 was indeed pure luck. We just went for a villager who was under no suspicion and who had not suspected any of us. We actually thought that Farael might be the True Seer for his attack on Aiwendil, or even tar-ancalime, for her random vote for Eomer. We did not kill either because that would lead back to the Wolf whom each had suspected.

Anguirel (Night 3), we thought might be a Gifted. And, even if not, he can be a tricksy customer. And yes, Ang, you may take it as a compliment.

On Night 4, we agonised over whether to kill dancing spawn, given that it would point straight to Eomer. We resolved to do so on the basis that it might be portrayed as a frame-up, but kept in mind the possibility of a sacrifice. I also thought she might be the Ranger, because of Nilp's reference to her as the Hunter Princess, but then I had her village role pointed out to me! :rolleyes:

By Night 5, we were sadly depleted, but coming round to the view that mormegil was the Hunter and Boro the Ranger. Morm's reference to giving the Wolves death had caught our attention, while Boro's White Tree icons suggested he might be the Ranger. We would have killed morm (before he became too suspicious of Aiwendil), but thought it better to try for the Ranger first.

Night 6, we agonised over killing morm, as we thought there was a good chance that he would be hunting Aiwendil. But we took the risk, thinking he was more likely to be after either Farael or Kath. It was a big gamble, but happily it paid off (even though Aiwendil was taken down the next Day).

Nights 7 (Formendacil) and 8 (Nilp) were obvious choices, and easy ones for me to make alone.

Well, as usual, I have wittered on for far too long.

So I shall now depart, but not before thanking, last but most certainly not least, Shemod (and also SubmodOfRohan) for an excellently modded game. The Shakespearian theme and associated narratives were a delight to read, even when signifying the demise of my pack-mates.

Fantastic game all round, although I think that I may now need to take a break from Werewolf for a while ...

Edit: Cross-posted with Aiwendil, Farael and morm.

[The Saucepan Man]

Actually we were setting you up. We believed that we left enough hints that we should be known and I was believed innocent and therefore likely to die. Boromir wasn't going to protect me. I didn't want him to and I was ready to die...Aiwendil's recollection is correct. It was my crazy paranoia! :D

Wen you dropped the hint about being the one to give the Wolves death, you mentioned Farael and tar-ancalime as your main suspects, in addition to Eomer. I thought that Boro might protect you. Then, if you survived and no one else was killed, you and Boro would have a strong indication that neither of them were Wolves since, if they were and they took the hint, they would not have dared attack you. On the other hand, if someone else had died, then Farael and tar would be looking very Wolfish to you.

Crazy, huh? :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

while Boro's White Tree icons suggested he might be the Ranger.
That's just my typical icon I use...sorry but wasn't an intended clue, I'm much more blatant than that. :D

Day 2 I slipped the first clue to Anguirel..."For once I'll be watching my own back."

Then they kept getting more blatant with things like "Garin I'm sorry your suspiciouns have led you off track." and "Nilp that way of thinking could leave you off the wolves trail."

I actually was convinced by Sauce's innocence, I even told morm "I think he's caught onto my hints, I mean if he can find anagrams he should be able to spot my blatant hints." Which, I thought he did on day 2, but guess I was wrong. :) Then once morm was knocked off I had a bad feeling.

Rangering's tough, silly me I protected Eomer on night 1. I felt like that would be an obvious wolf target (if he wasn't a wolf that is), one of those more influential yet low-key type spawn person. So then night 2 I protected Spawn, alas one day too early. Night 3 it was nilp, I figured if the village was pretty much convinced of his innocence he would go. Then night 4 I had the ominous task of deciding either Formendacil or Sauce (I think I protected more wolves than innocents :( ). I protected Form, figuring being a known innocent now he'd be whacked, eventhough he being the false seer.

Anyway, nice weaseling by the wolves (especially Eomer at the end...sorry Celuien but you following him just got me cracking up).

[Celuien]

Anyway, nice weaseling by the wolves (especially Eomer at the end...sorry Celuien but you following him just got me cracking up).

I must say that I felt pretty stupid after the outcome of the vote. :o Panic over possible gifted death and the threat of the imminent loss of your computer access is not a good combination when trying to make a decision about who's a wolf and who isn't. Especially when dealing with a very, very clever wolf like Eomer.

[Aiwendil]

I must say that I felt pretty stupid after the outcome of the vote.

This reminds me that I was rather irritated by the timing of Formendacil's False Seer revalation. We had planned that if Eomer looked certain to be killed, he would pull a False Seer impersonation. Of course, things probably would've turned out the same way - Form would have come foward and, given the choice between them, Eomer would look like the liar. But I would've liked to see it.

[Glirdan]

I noticed one big difference in how I played this game, and I hope some of you might have noticed it as well. I've never played more boldly then I have this game and I must say that I quite like it!! :D So expect my game style to change...slightly. ;) Great game everyone!!

[The Saucepan Man]

I actually was convinced by Sauce's innocence, I even told morm "I think he's caught onto my hints, I mean if he can find anagrams he should be able to spot my blatant hints." Nope. I completely missed them. :rolleyes:

What put us onto you really was working out that morm was the Hunter. There were only a few candidates, and I was swayed by the White Tree.

I must say that I was astounded that I did not attract more suspicion, particularly as I remained in the village towards the later stages. I was lucky on the timing with the kills on Nights 5 to 7, the reasons for which were obvious once their roles were known. My greatest fear was a sudden realisation on Day 8 that my continued presence looked mightily suspicious. Glirdan and Farael did voice concerns in this regard but, luckily for me, their suspicion of each other was the greater.

My argument, had it come up seriously, would have been that the Wolf had avoided killing me precisely because my continued presence would make me look suspicious, thereby ensuring three suspicious villagers at the end, rather than two and a very innocent-looking Nilp.

And I must say that I am rather proud (albeit slightly amazed) that I did not receive a sigle vote. :D

[Boromir88]

This reminds me that I was rather irritated by the timing of Formendacil's False Seer revalation. We had planned that if Eomer looked certain to be killed, he would pull a False Seer impersonation. Of course, things probably would've turned out the same way - Form would have come foward and, given the choice between them, Eomer would look like the liar. But I would've liked to see it.
But then you can't forget about the wonderful (yet irritating for mormegil) Abercrombie pulled. When morm declared he was the hunter, abercrombie (wolf) said morm was lying and was the wolf. Of course we all believed abercrombie, because why would a wolf do such a thing? But it was just a ploy used to drag out the hunter. Pretty wonderful, yet I felt bad for morm as no one believed him. He must have been ripping his hair out. :p

[The Saucepan Man]

I must say that I felt pretty stupid after the outcome of the vote.We also had to do some quick thinking on how to encourage suspicion of you after it, as it did make you look rather innocent. :D

[littlemanpoet]

I must say that I was astounded that I did not attract more suspicion, particularly as I remained in the village towards the later stages.You did attract all kinds of suspicion..... but we suspectors were already removed from the village by then.... :rolleyes:

[Farael]

Problem with SPM is that the voting record talked loudly in his favour and even though suspicious, after six game days EVERYONE is suspicious. I was afraid of going after SPM out of WW paranoia.... but heck, I should follow my instincts blindly. I nailed Aiwendil since day one thanks to them.

To explain my insanely focused behaviour I figured that since I think none of us was in his/her first WW game, whoever got to be lupine would have developed good ideas on how to avoid the normal kind of suspicion... and so I tried to do things that had not been done before. My idea was that, even if my behaviour brought suspicion upon me, once I was dead and proven innocent it would have helped others to find a wolf (hence my suicidal turn). It was fun, but a little stressing... specially when I got serious about Aiwendil and no-one believed me.

Anyway, I have to go back to studying, I'll post some more tomorrow (RL) hopefully.

Oh, by the way SPM, don't sweat about the leg-pulling at the end.... right then it made me want to pull my hair off, but right now it's quite amusing to read back to it.

Well villagers, we were THIS close.... next time I say we lynch SPM even if he proves without a doubt he's the seer =P

[Lhunardawen]

Eomer, SpW, and Aiwendil, you wimps. Why kill me early? :p

Well done, SpW, by the way. Very well done. And here I was hoping we'd be werewolves for the first time together...

There's not much to say for me, really. Oh, except this: You have every right, Elempi, to say "I told you so." ;)

P. S. I'm sorry, but this simply begs to be done:
++FORMENDACIL

[Holbytlass]

Holbytlass was chosen largely because no one was suspicious of her...
Well, the universe has flipped on its head (or maybe karma) -my being unnoticed has finally bit me in the rump and at a crucial time. SpM is finally wolf and everyone stops immediately suspecting him. Also it's pretty cool that Shelob got killed first (aftermod) in my game and I get killed first in her game!

[Garin]

littlemanpoet: You did attract all kinds of suspicion..... but we suspectors were already removed from the village by then...

Precisely, I had a hankering SpW was not beyond reproach but since I am Captain Wolfie, I lived a short life. While taking in the final rounds, I constantly thought Sauce was the wolf. (Half applauding, half kicking myself.) He had to be... to live so long.... and no one picked up the destined to be an Ordo remark he made.

I did find it hard to believe that the other wolves accepted their sacrifices, yet, when I'm a wolf I am more than willing to give my life to the pack.
Sauce is so more cunning and I hold my allegiance to my cohorts too strong to hurt them. (former socialist be me)

In the future, maybe refrain from lynching from the true-hearted Garin. Nonetheless, I shant change my personality. Tis mine and I should be proud of it.

Post-death, I felt so cheated not to be a villager, not that I would not have succumbed to the charm of Sauce.

I see future wolves mimicking his strategy.

Accolades to all, and if I don't rep you, I either can't or you should remind me.

All give a hand to Shelob, a very imaginative and original mod.

Also, hats off to Abercrombie.

I have more to say but I want to check out the debate on the original WW site.

EDIT: Nice to see the regression to the old avatar, Magnificent Bastard.

[Garin]

Double Post:
My last life as a wolf..
We figured that Sauce living for so long would indict him, it didn't. He rode it all the way to victory, this time.

[Anguirel]

Shelob, the playscript dialogue was completely inspired...

Saucie, your comment on Glirdan's tender flesh was one of the best wolf-gloats I've ever seen.

Never has the turquoise smiley with all the irritating teeth seemed so terrifying...

[Lhunardawen]

Double Post:
My last life as a wolf..
We figured that Sauce living for so long would indict him, it didn't. He rode it all the way to victory, this time.
That's why you can never really rely on the lifespan of SpW and the like of him to judge their innocence or lycanthropy, which I for one tend to do.

[Formendacil]

Ack! I knew it!

Well... at the time of my death, I didn't. Various persons can attest that I thought Celuien the last wolf. I honestly didn't think that Eomer, Aiwendil, AND SPM could ALL be Werewolves. That's worse than the trio involving me that someone mentioned in-game.

However, I DID have suspicions of SPM. After Aiwendil was killed, I was sure of Nilp's innocence, but that started to give me vague suspicions of SPM, and he was my second choice after Celuien.

I was groaning, agonising in sympathy with the villagers this last day, remembering my first game, when it was me, Alcarillo, and Azaelia: two villagers and a wolf, and it was my rockheadedness that gave Alcarillo the victory.

Well-played game, everybody, and especially to SPM. I guess the old question of "Why is SPM still alive?" is one we ought to have asked ourselves more often.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable!!! Just yesterday I said that no way Sauce is the last wolf, and if he is, that's quite a way to start a werewolf career. Well, congratulations on the victory. You do realize, though, that after this your chances to survive Day 1's lynching are slim to none... :p

Eomer and Aiwendil, you played your parts well (obviously since you won). I wonder if I had ever spotted Eomer if we hadn't been heroes together in WW15.

Shelob, it was an excellent idea to write the narrations in a script form. Great job modding! :)

Villagers, we just can't win twice in a row... But it doesn't matter, it was wonderful to play with you all! When I first saw the players list, I was sure that this would be a great game - and it was. I wish I had lived a bit longer, though.

[Lalaith]

Also, would there be any interest in a list of what I referenced/used in my Death write ups?

Shelob, as a mere spectator, I'd love to see the list...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I must admit to feeling a little guilt concerning my deception of Nilp, but it just goes to show that hidden messages are no more reliable than open statements (but more of that later, on the admin thread). (The Saucepan Wolf)I was making my case against you in the last NIGHT, dammit! You survived far too long. You didn't respond 'Top me lion' or something like that to my anagram. That Kath and Celu vote especially rankled me!

I had you! I could have avenged Lhuna and spawn! You foiled my revenge in the name of love!!!

*chirp chirp chirp*

Oh, well. Well played. But remember, I got two of you! :p

[Lhunardawen]

Ah, Nilp. I still say Eomer's death was for me. :p

Now out with it, mod!

[tar-ancalime]

Great game, everyone. We were up against three extremely formidable wolves, and they were playing us from Day 1. We did our best, but in retrospect I don't think there was a moment when they weren't in control.

[Boromir88]

You did attract all kinds of suspicion..... but we suspectors were already removed from the village by then....
Aint that the truth, it was good pickings for the wolves on who to kill. I mean bagging the seer on Night 2. Now I wasn't suspicious of Sauce until I was dead, but I certainly was pretty much convinced by Celuien and tar's innocence after Eomer's antics on the day of his death. And I was going to tell morm the same thing, but stupid wolves killed me before I could. :D

I was groaning, agonising in sympathy with the villagers this last day, remembering my first game, when it was me, Alcarillo, and Azaelia: two villagers and a wolf, and it was my rockheadedness that gave Alcarillo the victory.
I remember that game, it was well played by Alcarillo. He was so suspicious looking everyone was like, he can't be a wolf. :rolleyes: But I also take part of the blame, I knew I was going to be killed at night, and I was preparing to go after him, I should have left something to you two that I highly suggest looking at and lynching Alcarillo. That was a fun game too.
I actually thought that I would make a rather poor Wolf, for a number of reasons. My main fear was that I would let something slip in one of my posts which, given that I had to maintain my standard verbosity, meant that each post took ages to create.
Funny, I can say the same thing, as a wolf it's much more important that you watch what you say, but I even find myself as an innocent going through and making sure I didn't say something totally wrong that would incriminate me. :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I thought that the late DAY 4 exchange was the 'elaborate ruse' Eomer left us with.

I mean, to (foolish) me they were obviously dancing; Eomer was waiting for Celuien to say what an innocent would say in that circumstance. He didn't go and declare 'I'm the Guardian' outright, as I expect him to do if he were talking to an innocent.

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, for future reference, and for general interest, here are the anagrams that we Wolves spotted.

The Royal Invader Girl strides in.Royal invader girl = ordinary villager.

I didn’t get that one until quite late on, actually.

Sign: Y'vana gill'd ro'er 'ir.

[Yavanna gilled rower here.]

Oh, The Saucepan Man from foreign lands, have you ever seen anything like my sign?Y'vana gill'd ro'er 'ir = ordinary villager.

To which I replied:

Aye, I have seen its like before. But not in these parts. And ‘tis a helpful contribution to our e-moot.e-moot = me too.

Sign: You by evil pinwheelYou by evil pinwheel = why believe you Nilp or why you believe Nilp.

Aiwendil caught that one. I missed it.

Sign: Hoi! I wilt my punHoi! I wilt my pun = I’m with you, Nilp.

Sign: Sorry, we're closed.I have no idea if that meant anything. I couldn’t work it out, if it did.

SIGN: You're making my head spin!Which intentionally had no meaning

Well, those are all the ones that we caught. Were there any others?

Also, would there be any interest in a list of what I referenced/used in my Death write ups?Yes please, Shemod. (Did anyone else take to calling you Shemod, incidentally?)

I have kept a record of our Nightly Wolfish counsels, if anyone is interested. Unsurprisingly, given the nature of the three of us, they are rather long, so it would have to be edited highlights, which might take a while to compile. Would my fellow Wolves have any objection?

... and no one picked up the destined to be an Ordo remark he made.Yes, I largely glossed over any suspicions raised about me, but I did have to think long and hard about how best to respond to that question of yours.

I did find it hard to believe that the other wolves accepted their sacrifices, yet, when I'm a wolf I am more than willing to give my life to the pack … I see future wolves mimicking his strategy.Well, as I said, we had more or less agreed that it was a strategy that was available to us, but one which was only to be used with extreme caution. I was only too aware, particularly when voting for Aiwendil, that (even if successful) it would extend the game and therefore require continued effort on my part. That said, it does do away with the tricky matter of how to approach an analysis of ones’ fellow Wolves. And, as noted previously, it looked quite likely that Eomer and Aiwendil would be lynched in any event on the Days that I voted for them. My one regret was saying, when I voted for Eomer, that the Eomer/spawn issue would carry on if not resolved, as Boro and Form both picked up on that when also voting for him.

And it is not that straightforward a strategy to execute. The timing is crucial, since the vote for the fellow Wolf has to be made at a time when it is decisive. If, for example, it is made at a time when the Wolf’s fate is already sealed, or all but sealed, it will not have the same effect. And it is capable of being spotted. Nilp’s votes for Aiwendil and Eomer were very unlikely to be Wolf-on-Wolf votes, as they were cast early in each Day, before general village opinion had really become apparent. Mine, on the other hand, followed some quite strong mutterings against each of them.

Saucie, your comment on Glirdan's tender flesh was one of the best wolf-gloats I've ever seen.Why, thank you. :) Yes, I was rather proud of that one. Although I slightly pulled back from its implications, as I wanted to maintain some suspense until Shemod’s denouement.

We did our best, but in retrospect I don't think there was a moment when they weren't in control.Well, I would rather not have lost my comrades. And littlemanpoet’s disappearance threw us into a bit of spin, as he was looking good for that Day’s lynching. I spent most of that Saturday afternoon (when I should have been attending to the Saucepan Clan :rolleyes: :D ) coming up with an alternative strategy. And, although it meant two innocents down in one Day, it did I think actually harm us, as Garin would most likely have been lynched the next Day instead of Eomer, giving us an extra Night’s kill.

[Aiwendil]

The Saucepan Wolf wrote:
I have kept a record of our Nightly Wolfish counsels, if anyone is interested. Unsurprisingly, given the nature of the three of us, they are rather long, so it would have to be edited highlights, which might take a while to compile. Would my fellow Wolves have any objection?

I kept a record of our fiendish discussions as well. I'd also be happy to produce some edited highlights, if that would be easier, SpW (I know wolfing has already taken up a significant amount of your time).

Boromir wrote:
Aint that the truth, it was good pickings for the wolves on who to kill.

Thank you! It really was a marvellous stroke of luck that we got the Seer on NIGHT 2. But, to be fair, we had thought up until then that we had suffered a grave stroke of ill luck - for we (or at least I) were quite convinced that either Farael or Tar was the Seer and had dreamt of one of us. Holbytlass's identity was therefore quite a relief, and not only because we were glad to have killed the Seer.

[Garin]

I hope after seeing the possibility of deception through cryptic messages, players will be less intimidated by them. (Come home littlemanpoet)

You can lie just as easily through them as through normal dialogue.

When I am an innocent I simply pepper my sentences with the letter I. It did little good.

You'll also notice that it is the Ordos (or deceptive wolves) that leave these messages. Sauce didn't mention any decryption of the Gifteds that gave their identities away. The gifted and the wolves have people to talk to without the need for acrostics, anagrams, etc.

The gifteds tread on thin ice when dropping hints, especially with experienced players.

This seemed to be the main topic on WW thread, but it is my reaction to Sauce's last post.

Shelob, wolves: I'd be delighted to see documentation.
Let me guess: Garin will get himself lynched, we have bigger fish to fry...

[The Saucepan Man]

I'd also be happy to produce some edited highlights, if that would be easier, SpWThat would be great, Ngaurondil ( ;) ), if you wouldn't mind. :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

My fellow wolves, Aiwendil and Saucepan Man the Survivor, you were both magnificent! Especially in the efficient manner you took out Boromir88 and then Mormegil (whose secrets, I must admit, I had not myself figured out).

I was rather worried that my play right before I was killed would cause you more harm than good, but you handled it brilliantly. Putting suspicion on Celuien like that was the right thing to do. (By the way Celuien, very sorry!)

I had intended to lie and reveal myself as the Guardian much earlier in that day, to try and force the real Guardian and Hunter out into the open. But I didn't do that for rather selfish reasons: I thought there was still a good chance that I could have survived that day. It was only really in the last 2 hours that my doom was realised.

And another message to my wolves: thank you so much for picking up on that thing I did with tar-ancalime. When she voted for me on Day One I knew that she would be suspected for it later on; and that's why I gave that ;) reply to her.

O Spawn, I have already told you but I'll make it more public: you were wonderful. You picked up on all sorts of little things that no-one else would have. If it weren't for you I am confident I would have lasted much longer. See that? She chose to focus on me only because of our Heroic Background, Anguirel.

Farael on Aiwendil, just wow! How could you be so right from so little evidence? You were quite the troublemaker!

Lhuna, I'd apologise a million times! Why do I always stab you in the back in Werewolf? :D

I was thinking about my record in Werewolf games. I've been on the winning side 7 out of 9 times: pretty groovy, yes? ;)

But I've only survived once.

[Garin]

Saucepan Man: Well, as I said, we had more or less agreed that it was a strategy that was available to us, but one which was only to be used with extreme caution.

In fact, I think it is such a bold move that I must applaud your cohorts and yourself for getting away with it.

TGWBS tried something along those lines against Naria and it failed thanks to the bloody Seer. Naria was also fairly new and took it all too personally.

I, being a man of the people/wolves hated to see my own brought down. (I have a very sympathetic soul that curses me worse than my wolvish dialogue, methinks.) If I had backed The Guy, maybe things had worked out differently.

So, I see that the cunning chemistry between you blasted lupines certainly beat the odds. Again, accolades.

[Shelob]

Did anyone else take to calling you Shemod, incidentally?
No, it was rather sad...though I did catch myself refering to myself in the third person as "Modlob" once. Which was rather odd, and was right before my dad asked me get a saucepan for pudding, my immediate though being "Must get Saucepan Man pudding" instead of "Must get saucepan for pudding" as it should have been...I think that was the day Aiwendil died and I was worried about the game ending...

Anyway, since I just got home from school I have some things to take care of then I'll write up what I'd referenced and where. There's a lot of references though, so expect it to be long.

[Boromir88]

Farael on Aiwendil, just wow! How could you be so right from so little evidence? You were quite the troublemaker!
It's those little things that gets my alert going. I remember when I was the insulter from Dor Lomin, I spotted Formendacil for saying we should lynch lmp because he's immoral, or something like that. And I went after him saying we aren't lynching people for their morals but whether they are a wolf or not, and it turned out Formendacil was a wolf...though that ended up getting me in trouble too, oh another fun game... :rolleyes:

That happened on Day 1, which is why I'm always a big advocate for Day 1, because you can find things like that. Though it may seem like a bunch of junk, the wolves have a hidden purpose. :evil grin:

[Shelob]

(started typing up references at ~2.30pm (EST))

Please note that it is now ~4pm (EST), and that I haven't taken a break.

(still typing)

[Naria]

I know, I know I shouldn't be in here :p but I've keeping up with your game and all I have to say is cudos to you werewolves, good job. Sauce that was quite impressive!! :D

Now to clarify something, so people don't start getting the wrong impression of me:

TGWBS tried something along those lines against Naria and it failed thanks to the bloody Seer. Naria was also fairly new and took it all too personally.

First off Garin, the difference between what these wolves did and what Shorty did was, these wolves all knew and agreed to this plan before hand. That was not the case in our situation, we never once discussed going after me relentlessly for the better good of the wolves. If we had, believe me, I would not have reacted the way that I did. Iam guilty of taking it way too personally and have learned from it(I really am a nice girl). I thought that was behind us *sigh*....anywhoo, off to the next game!! :D

[tar-ancalime]

And another message to my wolves: thank you so much for picking up on that thing I did with tar-ancalime. When she voted for me on Day One I knew that she would be suspected for it later on; and that's why I gave that reply to her.

Yeah, thanks. :rolleyes:

It was very clear to me that you were laying the groundwork to take me down with you, though I did think that reply was a bit much and I was surprised it was not taken as a joke by the rest of the village (who were pretty suspicious of me in the first place, thanks to Aiwendil mentioning me in every bloody post). In retrospect I should have adopted Farael's approach and just continued to vote for you. I think I was an unofficial Cobbler in this game!

[Shelob]

Finally, about 4.5 hours after I started (though I did take about half an hour to eat) I have finished this bloody thing. Remind me never to volunteer to explain the references I use again...or just do what Abercrombie and Malkatoj do and tell me to stop existing, it hasn't worked yet but you never know...


Post: The play's the thing (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=447646&postcount=1)

Title The title is taken from Hamlet, Act II scene ii (II.ii), from the line "the play 's the thing Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king."

Sub-Title Or Few Lower
I took the idea of a sub title from Twelfth Night or what you will. However “few lower” is actually an anagram of “werewolf” (oddly enough this made me feel really bad during NIGHT 4, after littlemanpoet vanished and I’d calmed down enough to realize that the cause of the problem was anagrams…)

scene i Thunder and lighting….there to meet with MacDeath
I took this almost straight from I.i of Shakespeare’s Macbeth, it’s one of my favourite plays and it dawned on me ages ago that the three wolves were like the three witches. I made a few changes mostly to reflect time (“ere the rise of sun”, rather than “ere the set of sun”) and I couldn’t help playing on “Macbeth” and “MacDeath”, I just couldn’t.

scene ii--final stage direction (Exit chased by a bear)
That whole scene was based around that stage direction from Winter’s Tale by Shakespeare. I even assigned Abercrombie an occupation so that I could use the stage direction (“yeti-spotter” being from the Monty Python skit about a camel spotter, he’d been a yeti-spotter before he began spotting camels)

scene iii

Eaumor
The name of “Eaumor” was taken from the Name “Moreau” (Eaumor=Eau|mor=mor|eau=moreau) from The Island of Dr. Moreau. That had been an alternate idea for the game’s theme, that I (as mad scientist/doctor) had somehow created the wolves through unnatural experiments and they weren’t happy (like the beast-people, in The Island of Dr. Moreau), in reality the play idea was much cooler and gave me more to work with, but I liked the name “Eaumor” so I kept it.

a dark (and very expensive, forest)
If anyone is familiar with Spamalot they might have caught this reference, otherwise it would have made no sense. In Spamalot though “King Arthur and his Knights fled for their lives and were instantly scattered and lost in a dark and very expensive forest”.

Shelob hath murdered sleep and therefore Eaumor shall sleep no more, Death shall sleep no more.
For this I nicked a line from Macbeth, Macbeth had just murdered King Duncan and comments to his wife that he heard a voice crying “sleep no more to all the house… Glamis hath murdered sleep and therefore Cawdor shall sleep no more, Macbeth shall sleep no more”. Glamis and Cawdor are the two titles before king the witches greet him with, “All hail Macbeth! Hail to thee thane of Glamis” and so on. Macbeth had one of the titles (Glamis) was shortly after their greeting given the second (Cawdor) and killed the true King to secure the third (king). Not that you really care about it to that length, but because I do and because I could go on for much longer, but I’ll stop after I point out how “Cawdor” and “Eaumor” almost, kinda rhyme and how “Macbeth” and “Death” do….deep that.

We’ve come with a message for Shelob, but The sight is dismal; And our affairs come too late: The ears are senseless that should give us hearing.
That’s right, that line was almost directly taken from the line in Hamlet, "The sight is dismal; And our affairs from England come too late: The ears are senseless that should give us hearing," V.ii. About the only thing I did was take out “England” and specify which dead person they were coming with a message for. I think the original thought process behind that line was “Merde! I need something for SPM to say…I know ‘foreign dignitary’ almost equals ‘ambassador’ I’ll steal that thing from Hamlet.”

Excellent, well, I am…[…]…a fishmonger
Also from Hamlet, this time from II.ii and a conversation between Hamlet and Polonius, I just changed punctuation and split it up.
Polonius: do you know me, my lord?
Hamlet: excellent well; you are a fishmonger.

Alms? For an ex-leper?
Another place where I stole a line and switched the punctuation to change it’s meaning. This line wasn’t from Shakespeare though, it was from Monty Python’s Life of Brian, as was the role of ex-leper…

When that I was and a little tiny boy […]For the rain it raineth every day.
Glirdan’s little song here was taken from V.i in Twelfth Night when the fool Feste ends the play, about the only thing I changed was the second to last line. It said ‘thieves’, I changed it to ‘wolves’.



Post Rose the Rants and Gil was dead (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=448002&postcount=105)

Title This title was basically a phonetic play on Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead, which wasn’t quite Hamlet but was based on it.

Really? […] What about this False Seer?
Also basically from Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead this idea is from a game the title characters play in the play and movie (if you’ve seen the movie think of the scene where they’re in the Tennis courts), basically they play to three points and get a point when the other player fails to ask a question, repeats a questions, asks a grunt instead of a question (“huh?”) or asks a non sequitur.

You had it in for me didn't you? Right from the begining
Who am I that so much should converge on my little death
There must have been a moment, at the beginning, where you could have […] but we missed it
Well […] We'll know better next time
All those are lines I modified from the final scene in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. It’s pretty simple really and they’re not anything special, there’s just enough of them to make a little army of references.


Post Beware the Eyes of March (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=448199&postcount=106)

Title The title was taken from what is probably one of the two most famous lines from Julius Ceasar, this particular line was “Beware the ides of March” I.ii and is the Soothsayer’s warning to Caesar. In case you don’t know the “ides of March” refer to the 15th, also there’s a Foxtrot comic where Jason and his friend Marcus make giant Eye-shaped headgear and go up to Jason’s sister Paige to say “Beware the Eyes of March”…just in case you care.

Voice from the well:
I took the idea of a the seer being in a well from Oscar Wilde's Salome, where the prophet Jokaanan was kept in a well. I believe the play actually uses “Voice from the well” but I’m not sure, whether or not it uses that specifically I definitely took the idea from that play.

Sooth…sooth…
Holby was the seer. She was saying ‘sooth’. Therefore Holby was a ‘sooth sayer’ or “soothsayer”…I though it was hysterical, it probably isn’t really…

Look at the moon, how strange the moon seems. She is like a little princess who wears a yellow veil, and has little white doves for feet.
I’m sorry Lhuna, I know you liked these lines, but they were stolen from the beginning of Salome. The play begins with two people (a guard and somebody, I can’t remember) discussing the moon and the princess Salome in turns…I took some of the better moon/princess lines from the very beginning. I think they worked quite well though, especially with the whole well idea from earlier.

Lest she see more, prevent it […] Out, Vile Jelly
These two notes were lines taken from King Lear, when Gloucester has his eyes ripped out. The first note/line was modified slightly, I just had to change the pronoun so Holby wasn’t an ‘it’.

Gloucester-ized
Holby’s death said she’d been “Gloucester-ized”, that’s because my friends and I took the above described scene where Gloucester’s eyes were ripped out and turned it into a verb. Ours is probably the only school where you can hear “I’ll Gloucesterize you!”, and our English room is probably the only one with a sign saying “If you can read this you aren’t Gloucester” in it (and yes, the sign is my fault).


Post Too much of water hast thou, poor Lhunardawen (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=448555&postcount=219)

Title This title is also from Hamlet, and all I did was change the name in the line "too much of water hast thou, poor Ophelia" (IV.vii)

The pun conversation
I just have to comment here that this ‘too many puns’ conversation in no way reflected how I felt. In reality I was in glorious awe of the puns, they were glorious. Thank you.

How now, sweet shepherd?
Three guesses, that’s right! It was from Hamlet IV.vii and the line "how now, sweet queen", which is spoken right before the Queen Gertrude tells Laertes that Ophelia has drowned.

One woe doth tread upon another's heel, So fast they follow; dear Lhuna’s drown'd.
Hamlet "One woe doth tread upon another's heel, So fast they follow; your sister's drown'd, Laertes." IV.vii

Everyone Else: Drown'd! O, where?
You guessed it, Hamlet, IV.vii

You see that willow, growing aslant our brook? She must have tried to climb it, you can see where a branch broke…
This line references Queen Gertrude's description of how Ophelia died, esp. the "a willow grows aslant a brook" and "an envious sliver broke" portions of the queen’s spiel…against all odds this is also from Hamlet IV.vii

…there are too many bad puns surrounding this whole, hairy business
Not a reference but I hope you caught the irony of that, it’s another one of those things I find really funny but probably isn’t.

Drown’d a muddy death upon DAY 2
You guessed it, Hamlet IV.vii, " her garments, heavy with their drink, pull'd the poor wretch from her melodious lay to muddy death."


Post Ang's death (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=448804&postcount=220)

General Statement regarding this Death
Gah, I got a PM from the wolves early in the afternoon, probably around 2...and then promptly fell asleep until 4.30, I then had to leave by 5...we're not going to talk about that death...though I am rather a fan of him having been "killed safely"...


Post To die: to sleep...perchance (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=449090&postcount=329)

Title You don’t want to hear it, but this title was basically from Hamlet,
"To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream:" III.i

To be, or not to be – that is the question; Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to NOT CHEAT
Hamlet, sorry, III.i
“To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,”

Running away, eh? Come back here and take what's coming to you.
From Monty Python and the Holy Grail in the screen play those are the words the Black Knight yells after King Arthur after having both his legs cut off.

It’s like in Clue…
The rules actually say that, and the 'break in the wall' they're referencing really does happen at the window's too...mostly I just like proving that windows are doors, though if you were actually able to play such that you can leave the building and treat the yard as just one other room it’s crazy, there’s only 1 room without a window so you can get from any room other than that to any room other than that in two turns. One turn to leave by the window and one to re-enter the building. It defeats half of the purpose of the game but it’s not against the rules.

Oh dear, I hadn’t thought of that. (and promptly vanishes in a puff of [almost] logic)
I modified this for the play format, and added the “[almost]” because I wasn’t really sure how the argument would stand on a logical basis, but basically it’s from The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, in the entry on the bable fish and the proof against god existing.

Fair is foul [...] and foul fair.
From Macbeth, I.i “Fair is foul and foul fair, hover through the fog and filthy air” it’s spoken at the very end of the first scene by the three witches.


Post Here lived and died a Shepherd (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=449234&postcount=330)

Title From As you Like it. I modified the line slightly, the character fully says “for my father's house and all the revenue that was old Sir Rowland's will I
estate upon you, and here live and die a shepherd.” V.ii

Alas poor shepherd, thou art in a perilous state.
Two separate references here, bunched into one reference. Both from As you Like it “Alas, poor shepherd” IV.iii and “Thou art in a parlous state, shepherd.” III.ii. If you don’t know “Parlous” means either “perilous, dangerous” or (obsolete) “Dangerously Cunning”, I just learned this though ‘cause I’d panicked when looking at the original line, in reality I think I’d misread it when look for lines to use and typed out ‘perilous’ instead of ‘parlous’, though ‘parlous’ would have been better.

If these beast be not damned for this, the devil himself…
Taken also from As you Like it the original of this line was “If thou beest not
damned for this, the devil himself will have no shepherds” (III.ii), I decided that “these beasts” would make more sense (and looked close enough) then I just cut it off early since ‘will have no shepherds’ didn’t make much sense whereas leaving it hanging made it seem more plausible.

Thus was the shepherd beaten from their side
From Henry VI, part ii (something new, hurray!), the actual line goes “Thus is the shepherd beaten from thy side, And wolves are gnarling who shall gnaw thee first.” (III.i)


Post For he's inclined as is the ravenous wolf. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=449525&postcount=409)

Title Taken directly from Henry VI, part ii III.i, nothing much special here.

bickering and arguing about who killed who
Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Prince Herbert’s father (the King of Swamp Castle) when he’s coming down the stairs with Lancelot the guests get mad ‘cause Lancelot had just killed/wounded a lot of people and the King of Swamp Castle says “this is supposed to be a happy day, let’s not bicker and argue about ‘oo killed ‘oo”.

We’ve found a wolf, may we burn him?
Also Monty Python and the Holy Grail, perhaps you’d recognize it better if you replaced ‘wolf’ with ‘witch’ and ‘him’ with ‘her’…

why don’t we crush them under a pile of rocks
This refers to the death of Giles Corey during the Salem Witch Trials in 1692, but you’ll get more on that later.

Or would I? […] (Thunder crashes [sorry, couldn’t help it]
Yes, this is a reference, and No, I didn’t expect you to get it. Last year our teacher gave us a reading on how to write stereotypical horror stories. Basically the only advice this packet gave you was that you should “always end things with “thunder crashed” or “thunder crashes” it makes things more dramatic”. The packet was hysterical though, it’s still widely quoted in our English classes and I really just couldn’t help it.

Do you really think I am a wolf? […]there are liars and swearers enow to beat the honest men and hang up them.
Macbeth, originally the conversation is about traitors and I’m not sure if I’d had a reason for changing half of the ‘traitors’ to wolves or if I just forgot to change half of them. In any event the conversation can be found in Act IV scene ii.

Best five gold coins I ever spent, given the circumstances
Yep, I referenced Littlemanpoet…and his expensive silver daggers…


PostBefore the Magistrate for trial did come… (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=449794&postcount=410)

Title Alright, here I’m going to direct you to a website for actual information about Giles Corey, http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/gilescoreypage.HTM . If you don’t wish to actually go read about him though I will say that during the Salem Witch trials in Salem Massachusetts a small part of the world basically went crazy. Three girls in the town accused someone in the village of witchcraft and that woman was given the chance to save herself by accusing others. She did. It goes on like this for a while, if you’re accused you can either admit and accuse another, if you do that you’re not lynched, or you can deny the accusations against you and find yourself being hanged. Giles Corey was accused during this witch-scare of being a warlock (male witch) and since he refused to admit to it he was put to death. His death was unusual however in that a board was put on his chest and heavy rocks were added, the theory being that eventually he’d admit the charges were correct. It didn’t work however, he reportedly said only “More Weight” before dying. The actual title is a modification of a line in an anonymous poem entitled The Man of Iron. If you want more information on the trials as a whole go here: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/salem.htm

Great stones we lay upon his chest until he plead…
I don’t know why I put so much effort into finding my copy of The Crucible since I only ended up using this, and it’s modified from it’s original. Ignoring the uselessness of that though Arthur Miller’s play about the Witch Trials (and it’s more modern parallel of the Communist Hunts, which many argue the play is really about) is a quite good play, I certainly enjoyed reading it.

We have murdered the ranger, therefore the ranger shall protect no more, Eaumor is safe neaumor
As I mentioned in the post is this just another stealing of “Glamis hath murdered sleep…”, to explain that it’s one of my favourite lines in the play. I would like to say however that I’m really, really a fan of “Neaumor”…though the “how is that funny” question is in honour of my friends, who ask me that all the time.

Like Corey, burried under the contents of a Quarry
Using Corey’s name here was my way of giving you some (small) way of searching for Giles Corey by yourselves. You’ll note, however, that I managed to work in a rather fun phonetic joke.


Post: The wood has come against her. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=450143&postcount=456)

Title This title references Macbeth, specifically one of the warnings the witches give Macbeth in Act V scene i. “Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be until
Great Birnam wood to high Dunsinane hill shall come against him.”, it’s not directly referencing but that was the inspiration.

the only thing unusual […] and ate her.
I’m not sure if this was specifically referencing anything, but Macbeth and The Lord of the Rings both have rather vicious forests, as does The Brother’s Grimm. It’s just a common theme and my other ending was rather anticlimactic, so I changed it last minute. Actually, I changed this before I had the title, so if that’s any help…

Post For myself I will hunt this wolf to death (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=450337&postcount=457)

Title This title was taken from Henry VI, part iii II.iv. This line was really fitting for a hunter I thought, the only way it could have been better was if a wolf had died as well, but even so.

He’s got a dagger in his back
I hope you can see where this is going. If not, keep reading.

You two brutes
“Et tu, Brute!” ringing any bells? It’s from III.i in Julius Caesar and is the second really famous line from Caesar I mentioned earlier. If you want to know what this one got me, it got me a fairly well rounded scolding from Abercrombie…something about being too geeky to exist.


Post The Dreadful Story of Aiwendil and the Matches (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=450677&postcount=500)

Title The title is all I speak about for sure in regards to Abercrombie’s post. However I would like to thank her for doing this, it was quite helpful and kept me from panicking. Anyway, this title is from a book which is usually called “Struwwelpeter”. It is a German book by Dr. Heinrich Hoffmann. In English it’s often called “Shockheaded Peter” and was, about 5 years ago, turned into a junk opera. It’s a collection of little rhyming stories telling about children who behave poorly. The story Abercrombie referenced is “The Dreadful Story of Harriet and the Matches” (in English) and “Die gar traurige Geschichte mit dem Feuerzeug” (in German). If you want more information I’d suggest going here: http://www.shockheadedpeter.com/struww.html from there you can get information about either the stories or the junk opera (which, if you ever get a chance to see, is very entertaining)


Post Honesty’s a fool and loses that it works for. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=450863&postcount=501)

Title This line was taken from Othello, Iago speaks it to the title character during Act III scene iii. I believe the only reason I chose this was that it fit the death of the False Seer/Fool…

beware the sides of March
This was also a reference to “beware the ides of March” from Caesar. I was rather more a fan of this one because the intention was (though I’m not sure how clear it ended up being) that the wolf used edges (sides) of the March page in the calendar to give him the paper cuts. My original plan was that if the False Seer died the next wolf to die would have a paper cut from changing over his calendar, the Fool warned them and it seemed wrong but wasn’t…This worked just as well though.

Well, it looks like there’s only one thing we can do.
I hadn’t meant for this to be a reference, just a statement that the only thing they can do is look for the last wolf. However Abercrombie gave me another “too geeky to exist” lecture because she realized it’s like the Miracle Max line “When they’re all dead there’s only one thing to do […] go through their pockets and look for loose change”. If you’re wondering, I get a lot of those lectures.

Done to death by numerous papercuts
“Done to death by slanderous tongues” V.iii in Much Ado About Nothing. Probably one of the most entertaining comedies Shakespeare wrote, I would highly recommend the 1993 movie version.


Post It wasn’t easy being green… (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=451112&postcount=531)

Title From the Kermit song, It isn’t easy being green. I’m sure you all can see the reasoning behind that.

So long, […] and thanks for all the fish
If you’ve ever read or seen The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams you had a decent chance of getting this reference. It is indeed the dophin’s last message to mankind before they leave because the world is about to be destroyed. The only reason this is in there is because I happened to be watching the movie when I wrote the death, though looking back on it it’s actually rather fitting (other than Celuien not being a dolphin).

Post The End of the Fishy puns. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=451317&postcount=532)

Looks like he was stabbed [..] And a note saying “For a ducat I am slain”
Sorry, we’re back to Hamlet here, at least I hadn’t used it in a while. This whole scene references Polonius’ death in Act III. Polonius was hiding behind a curtain to listen in on a conversation between Hamlet and the Queen, when Polonius thinks Hamlet is going to hurt the queen he calls out. Hamlet, thinking it’s his Uncle the king, stabs Polonius through the curtain, saying “How now! a rat? Dead, for a ducat, dead!”. Polonius responds with “O, I am slain!” before dying.

Post Wherein I'll catch your conscience and reign king (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=451628&postcount=558)

Title Harks back to the first post of the game and finishes the quote. Mostly this just seemed fitting, a nice way to round off the ending of the game (and I had no better ideas).

Glirdan takes the silver dagger, still on the ground from when Formendacil used it to kill the first wolf
Referencing a reference, aren’t I good? Actually those daggers were bloody useful, thanks LMP.

Look not so fierce on me! […] (Exaunt all)
This entire part I’d stolen from the Christopher Marlow play Doctor Faustus. Personally I’d recommend reading it, the play’s quite good, but in terms of the game it was by far the best wolf-win death I could find. I’m really a fan of it.

Epilogue Not really a reference, but I like Prospero’s epilogue in The Tempest and Puck’s in A Midsummer Night’s Dream so I stole the style those are in.

[Aiwendil]

Thanks for that list, Shemod! Quite a few I didn't catch. My favourite, though, remains Mormegil's dying words: "You two brutes". I was incapacitated with laughter for a few minutes after reading that.

Tar wrote:
who were pretty suspicious of me in the first place, thanks to Aiwendil mentioning me in every bloody post

Hehe, I would apologize, but I'm not sorry. Ironic that voting for a wolf on the first DAY turned out to be such a stroke of ill fortune for you.

I will have some highlights of the wolvish conversations as soon as I can.

[Lhunardawen]

Lhuna, I'd apologise a million times! Why do I always stab you in the back in Werewolf? A million times? Still not enough. :p


One woe doth tread upon another's heel, So fast they follow; dear Lhuna’s drown'd.
Hamlet "One woe doth tread upon another's heel, So fast they follow; your sister's drown'd, Laertes." IV.vii If you have had that said to Nilp, Formendacil, or Eomer, you wouldn't have had to change the line. :)

Anyways, I'm still amazed! Wonderful job, Shelob.

[Aiwendil]

As you might expect, we were a rather talkative pack of wolves, no less during the Night than the Day. What follows has been mercilessly edited, though I fear it's still rather long.

Greetings, fellow Wolves.

My own intention, during the Day, will be to try to post just as I would as an innocent villager. How convincingly I will be able to pull that off I just don’t know. I don’t see any need for a fixed strategy on Day 1, as we will need to react to circumstances as they develop. Best thing is to try to act just as we do when we are innocents (which means lengthy, wordy posts from me). In light of this, we should not be averse to casting suspicion on one another, although not so strongly that it forms the basis of a bandwaggon.

We should try not to be decisive in the lynching of an innocent. That doesn’t mean we should avoid voting for the person who ends up getting lynched, but we should make sure that there are enough other innocents there to cover us. I suppose that we should try to spread our votes, although I don't think it matters too much if two of us occasionally vote for the same person. We just need to avoid giving rise to recognisable patterns. I would also recommend avoiding “throwaway” votes, particularly towards the end of voting, that look like safe Wolfish votes. We should aim not to all vote around the same time, although one of us at least should probably be around towards the end of voting. Perhaps we could try to alternate this, although not obviously so. I will usually have to vote by around 8pm GMT, although there may be days when I can stay around later (not Day 1).

On Nightly killings, there are a lot of respected, experienced players in this game. But the longer the three of us stay alive while other respected players are dying around us, the more suspicious we will look. I would therefore not necessarily advocate killing off the strong players, not all of them anyway, unless we think we have spotted a Gifted. The good thing is that few will expect three experienced and generally vocal players to be the Wolves. We may be able to manipulate the lynching of a few of the quieter ones, though we will want to keep some around.

Keep a look out for the Seer on Day 1. Our reputations are such that the chances are one or more of us will be dreamed of in the first few days. We may be able to spot the Seer early because of this. Luckily, the village has a False Seer, which should work in our favour and mitigate the fact that we are prime dream candidates. The True Seer will not be sure that his or her dreams are correct until the False Seer dies, so we want to try to keep the False Seer around at least until the True Seer is dead. Once the True Seer is out of the way, it may be worth going for the False Seer on the basis that the information he or she has will still be useful to the village.

We need to keep an eye out for the possibility of a Wolf sacrifice at some point, especially if we think that (in the absence of the False Seer) the True Seer has spotted one of us and/or it looks like one of us is going to get lynched anyway. I have no objection to being sacrificed for the good of the pack, should the circumstances indicate that it would be the best thing to do. But that is probably something to consider later in the game. In the meantime, Wolf on Wolf votes are probably worth considering, if we can get away with them. Although, having said that, the more experienced villagers will be alive to that sort of thing.


It will be an honour to wolf with you two.

I can't believe I'm a wolf again...

SPM has it right (why do I think you're extremely excited and nervous about finally being a wolf?) Problem is, there is such a fear among Barrowdowns Werewolf players in general about you being a wolf that many want to lynch you anyway! Your logical posts, however, will assure that you have at least some friends in the village.

Aiwendil, I am not familiar with your style of play. Are you a loudmouth also? What a talkative, irksome Wolf team we shall be!

I get the feeling that no-one will believe that I could possibly be a wolf again and so will give me the benefit of the doubt. The Seers will not bother dreaming about me and I will last 'til the end. (I hope.)

Remember the wise words of that most brilliant wolf, the phantom. Never lie. In the game of werewolf, everything can look suspicious. People will suspect us sooner or later, but when that time comes, play it cool.



If I had been innocent this game, I was going to start out by asking some open-ended general strategy questions in the interest of provoking serious discussion and gauging responses. It occurs to me that it still might be useful to do this, as it would 1. possibly provoke some hints from the Gifteds and 2. allow us to play the 'helpful villager' role right away.

The other matter that needs some thought is just how bold we're willing to be with wolf vs. wolf votes. A sacrifice might well be in order at some point; a decisive vote against a wolf generally gives one a free pass for most of the game. I would be quite willing to be the victim if necessary. Of course, it's a bit early to be thinking about intentional sacrifices. My feeling about wolf vs. wolf votes in general is that we should not be too skittish about them unless there is a severe threat to the potential victim already.

The presence of a false seer allows one tactic that we might want to keep in mind for a moment of desperation. Normally, if one falsely declares oneself to be Gifted, the bluff is rather short-lived, as the real Gifted will simply come forward and announce the fraud. But in this village we have two 'seer's, neither of whom knows the identity of the other. So if one of us is in trouble, a declaration 'I am a Seer; I don't know whether I'm the true Seer or not, but I'd advise not killing me' may well be effective. Just something to keep in mind.

As far as nightly killings go: I for one have never understood the attitude that some wolves take, where they seem to want to do their utmost to 'confuse the villagers'. More often than not, this means killing a villager who is attracting suspicion and is therefore not expected to die. I, for one, see no particular value in confusing the villagers. I say we keep those who are attracting suspicion alive and well and kill off those who are deemed likely innocent or who, for any reason, aren't likely to be lynched during the Day.

Well, those are my thoughts for now.



The “standard” policy is for villagers to decide to keep the more vocal and analytical players around for a while on the basis that, if they are not Wolves, they will benefit the village. So that might stand us in good stead at the beginning. I generally come under serious suspicion on Day 3 or 4, by which time people are starting to wonder why I am still around and I start getting accused of trying to control the village - particularly if I have participated in the lynching of a few innocents by that stage (which I usually have).


I was going to start out by asking some open-ended general strategy questions in the interest of provoking serious discussion and gauging responses.

I think that you should do that. It will be interesting to see how people react, although be careful that you do not come under suspicion for trying to steer the discussion into an argument over strategy rather than suspects, since that can look Wolfish (although generally, in the past, it has turned out not to have been).

One further point to bear in mind. Remember that the Ranger and the Hunter know who each other are and can communicate during the day. This has its dangers for us, but also its advantages. When one is killed, we may be able to spot the other (or a likely pool of others) from the discussion and voting record).

Well, if we do not speak again before the Day starts, good luck to you both.

And remember … be careful out there.

[Aiwendil]

Night 2
Interesting Day 1.

So, it rather looks to me like Farael is the true Seer. His attack on me is just too random and too insubstantial to be that of a clever villager. On the other hand, I wouldn't have expected a Seer to dream of me the first Night - more likely SPM or some other veteran.

The existence of the false Seer gives us some options, though. We could let Farael live even knowing he's the Seer, as he'll be in doubt about it himself.

The downside to killing him toNight, obviously, is that if he does turn out to be the Seer, it'll pretty much confirm that I'm a Wolf. Which might be well worth it to take out the Seer, but it needs some thought.

As I see it, we have three options:

1. Kill Farael toNight, in which case:
a. He is the Seer; I get lynched tomorrow; one or both of you should vote for me.
b. He isn't the Seer; things are speeding along beautifully.

2. Let him live, hoping he doesn't do much more harm. Of course, we could easily kill him some future Night. The chances of him gathering much more useful information in the next few days are fairly slim.

3. Let him live toNight; then sacrifice (or try to sacrifice) me tomorrow (i.e. one of you accuses/votes for me). Then kill Farael the next Night. The advantage of this is that whichever of you went against me would get some real credit with the villagers, since you would have voted for me before it was obvious that I'm a Wolf.

I was thinking that tomorrow I'd start to go after the crowd that voted for Boromir - so mainly after Form and LMP (though after vouching for LMP toDAY, I would be mild against him). But if I'm going to die tomorrow (i.e. if we kill Farael and he turns out to be the Seer), it would probably be better not to go after them - right?

Greetings fellow Wolves

OK, first off. I think that we have a slight problem. There are two possible True Seers, as I see it, and it seems that whoever is the True Seer spotted a Wolf on the first night.

I agree, Aiwendil, that Farael looks Seerish for his attack on you. His argument was semi-logical, but appeared cobbled together from what was available (and I thought that you dealt with his “misquotes” very well). That suggests to me that he may be the Seer who has spotted you as a Wolf and was looking for reasons to justify his attack and vote. I am sorry, incidentally, if I added to the suspicion of you, but my intention was to put some distance between us, should either of us be spotted, and also to associate you slightly with littlemanpoet (my bane ). You actually did a great job of encouraging Seer talk, which served to confuse and may yet assist us in finding both Seers.

On the other hand, tar-ancalime’s sudden switch from suspecting dancing spawn to voting for Eomer also looks Seerish to me. I wasn’t lying when I said that I found it strange. It is possible that, after some obligatory suspicion of an innocent, she then voted for the Wolf she had dreamed of. She was rather keen to point out that it was random, but there was really no reasoning behind it at all. Then again, it does make her look rather suspicious. I think that you shrugged off her vote wonderfully, Eomer, and happily you attracted no suspicion elsewhere.

Either way, if we kill one of these and they turn out to be the True Seer, the Wolf that they accused will almost certainly be lynched tomorrow.

As I see it, we have three options:

I agree with your reasoning on each of these options, but they equally apply to tar-ancalime and Eomer, should she be the Seer. My inclination would be to go for the second option, but then I am not a gambler. We would be unlucky indeed if the True Seer was to spot a Wolf two Nights running (although I am a likely target for a Seer dream). So perhaps we should keep them both alive for now and watching them closely tomorrow. We could switch to option 3 during the course of tomorrow, if either of you gets into serious trouble and then kill the suspected Seer tomorrow Night.

So, who are our other candidates for tonight? The possibilities that I see are as follows:

Anguirel - A tricksy player, suspected only by mormegil (and unlikely to attract suspicion for his first vote for Boromir88), but may be the False Seer (because of his aggressive pursuit of Boromir88) and his death could implicate me (as he voiced mild, although unreasoned, suspicion of me)
Boromir88 - He's dangerous and his death would implicate all of those who voted for him (but is the frame-up too obvious?). However, he could also be the False Seer - he said that he would authorise lynchings if evidence be shown (#5) and then said only the Seer should authorise lynchings (#20). His vote to save himself might suggest that he is a Gifted.
dancing spawn - Also dangerous and suspected by few, but her death might implicate Aiwendil (who she mildly suspected) and Eomer (who mildly suspected her).
Holbytlass - Suspected by no one, but is a quiet player so may attract suspicion.
Kath - Leaves no trace, but I think she will attract suspicion for her quietness and her key vote for Gil-Galad.
Nilpaurion Felagund - Suspected by no one, and doesn't leave much of a trail. His death could implicate Farael (but not strongly, as he had already pledged to vote for him).

Any thoughts?

Overall, I think that Day 1 went as well as expected (in circumstances where it looks like the True Seer may have dreamed of one if us). All of our votes were well placed, and are likely to attract little suspicion. None were safe but, as it turns out, none were decisive either. I would have preferred someone other than Gil-Galad to have been lynched, but he was bound to go sooner or later.

Thanks to SPM for pointing out the possible Seerishness of Tar-Ancalime. I had thought her vote for Eomer a random one and the possibility that she was a Seer had not occurred to me. Having said that, I am still tend to think Farael much more likely to be the Seer. For while one could easily explain Tar's vote as a random guess (her suspicion of Spawn having been allayed for whatever reason), I can't come up with any explanation for Farael's behaviour save Seerhood. I was serious when I said that I would suspect him of being the Cobbler if there were one in this village. Of course, there's always the outside chance that one of those two is a lucky true Seer and the other an incredibly lucky false Seer.

I suppose the really gutsy thing to do would be to attack Farael tonight, hoping that 1. the Ranger isn't protecting him and 2. maybe he's not the Seer. But I'm not all that happy about our odds on item 1 and I'm downright morose about our odds on item 2. The trouble is, of course, that if he is the Seer, the longer he's left alive the more trouble he'll be when he finally does get killed.

I am sorry, incidentally, if I added to the suspicion of you

No need to be sorry. Actually, I don't think there is much suspicion of me aside from Farael; just the occasional "let's keep an eye on him". Largely because I encouraged the Seer discussion, I suppose - which I think did effectively generate some confusion and steer the discussion into useless channels.

As for other candidates for toNight's meal (I am a cook, werewolf or not, mind you), the people I'd definitely not go for are:

Glirdan, Lhuna, Mormegil, Kath, Celuien - all voted for Gil-Galad and will undoubtedly be looked at tomorrow.

Formendacil, Garin, LMP - all voted for Boromir.

The two candidates that look best to me right now are Holbytlass and Nilpaurion Felagund, both of whom are so far completely unsuspected.

So I'd say the first thing to do is to decide whether or not to go after Farael toNight (the more likely True Seer in my opinion). And if not, then either Holbytlass or Nilpaurion will make a fine meal.


I am still inclined to view tar-ancalime as a possible Seer. The only reasoning that she gave for dropping her suspicion of dancing spawn was that she had initially been “gathering thoughts”. The commentary on dancing spawn’s analysis seemed much too detailed to me to simply represent the gathering of thoughts.

Nevertheless, I do not think that we should kill tar. For the same reason that she looks Seerish to me, she will look suspicious to the other villagers. She is a definite possibility for lynching tomorrow, and we (or at least one of us) should consider encouraging that. Aiwendil, you are best placed to do so, given that you voted for her, although we all voiced suspicions.

Another possibility is that she and dancing spawn are the Hunter and Ranger and tar’s post was intended to distance them. Dancing spawn later stuck up for her a bit. Eomer, you mentioned during the Day the possibility of them being linked (albeit to suggest that they might be Wolves), and it’s definitely something to bear in mind.

Now, what to do about Farael?

The advantage of killing him tonight is that, if he is the Seer, we will prevent him communicating any information that he may have gained through his dream tonight. What are the chances of him dreaming of another Wolf? Well, I think that I am a possible target for his dream. But there are many who are under more suspicion than Eomer and me, following the events of Day 1, so I would say that the likelihood is that the Seer will dream of one of them.

The disadvantage of killing Farael tonight is that, if he is the Seer, then Aiwendil is almost certainly toast tomorrow. I would prefer not to lose one of our number so early in the game, if we can avoid it.

On balance, therefore, I think that we should let Farael live another Day. If things go badly for Aiwendil (and I have no reason to think that they will), one of us can pile in and try to gain some credit from his lynching and then we kill Farael tomorrow night. We will just have to act as we see fit at the time. Aiwendil, you have said that you are prepared to be sacrificed if necessary, and I thank you for that. The same goes for me. But I don’t think that we should be looking to sacrifice any of our number unless absolutely necessary.

As matters stand, I will probably continue to pursue my stated suspicions of Lhuna, tar-ancalime and Celuin. I intend questioning the sudden rush of votes for Boromir88, and will probably voice suspicions of Garin, littlemanpoet, and possibly Formendacil, based on that. Anguirel looks less suspicious because his vote for Boro was the first. I may also throw a little suspicion Kath’s way too. Although much will depend on what people say tomorrow.

Finally, who to kill? Aiwendil has suggested Nilp or Holby. I would pefer to keep Nilp alive for now as I have swapped “I am innocent” messages with him by anagram and I think it likely that he will trust me and view me as innocent.

In conclusion, therefore, I would be in favour of killing off Holby. She was suspected by no one, and is unlikely to come under much suspicion tomorrow. She voiced mild suspicion of Lhuna and voted for tar, so that could help in ramping up the suspicion towards those two. If nothing else, it will provoke the usual “frame up?”, “double bluff?” type discussions. There is nothing to connect her with any of us, or indeed, most of the village, which is a good thing. With a bit of luck, she may even turn out to be a Gifted.


Hallo, comrades.

That was probably one of the more interesting Day Ones ever.

Aiwendil, I thought you played Farael perfectly. To most villagers I have no doubt that you're coming across as perfectly exasperated and 'Well, what can I say to you?' to Farael. His attack on you was extremely strange indeed. If a Seer, he doesn't know that he's true or false, so why does he make such a blistering attack on you? I can't tell for sure, but I think leaving him alive is certainly a risk worth taking. There's a slight chance that he's guarded, and a much bigger chance that a dead Farael tomorrow morning means dead Aiwendil tomorrow night. He could be the True Seer, but I think leaving him alive is the right thing to do (especially with the false Seer kicking about). I don't think it's wholly unlikely that he's just a misguided villager. But let us watch him very closely.

Interesting thoughts on who to kill. I'd certainly go along with Holbytlass as a good option. I suspect that Mormegil may be gifted: he was quieter than usual this Day One.

SPM, so that's what that odd exchange with Nilp was about! (I'm very slow on the uptake with such things.) Kudos!

I think we played Day One well; and there are plenty of suspicious characters lurking in this village. So things are looking quite good.

Holbytlass seems a good choice to me.


I know what you mean about mormegil, Eomer. I will be keeping an eye on him, but I don’t think that we should kill him just yet as he is likely to come under some suspicion tomorrow. If, for example, he is the Hunter or Ranger, we might be able to spot his companion trying to protect him.

What is your view on tar’s sudden vote for you, Eomer?

Okay, Holbytlass it shall be.

As for our Day 2 strategy:

I had been hoping that I could more or less align myself with LMP, as he's one of the most vocal and intelligent Villagers. But after his vote for Boromir yesterday, I'm inclined to start voicing some real suspicion of him tomorrow. Also of Formendacil and Garin. I'll probably list my top suspects as Form, Garin, and Tar - Form and Garin for their votes against Boromir; Tar for the same reasons as yesterDay. But I'm inclined to back off a little from Tar since her vote looked rather random and not malicious.

I would say that perhaps one or both of you should put more emphasis on the Gil-Galad-voting crowd than on the Boromir-voting crowd, to try to minimize any apparent relation among us. It might be a good idea to suggest that there was a "wolvish scheme" in operation yesterDay to cause the lynching of Gil, an easy first day victim.

Of course, something similar goes for Tar-Ancalime.

I agree that Morm has been unusually quiet. Perhaps gifted. Not sure what to do about it, though. Perhaps best would be to try to keep his name coming up without accusing him too strongly - see if we can foment some suspicion of him.


I agree with your proposed strategy, Aiwendil.

I shall lay off the Boromir88 voters to an extent and focus instead on the Gil-Galad voters. I propose maintaining my stance that Glirdan’s early vote looks too risky to have been a Wolf's vote and it will be difficult to make much of a case against Boro, as he was forced into his vote, so I shall concentrate on mormegil, Kath and Celuin. As I said, I shall also revisit my Day 1 suspicions of Lhuna and tar. I might lay off elempi a bit – depends how I feel.

SPM, how did I feel when tar-ancalime chose me? I cannot lie: it made me take a deep breath! I'm very hopeful that it was truly random, though. It's likely that she will lay off me today. If she finds new ways of attacking me then rest assured I will know that my days could be numbered.

Anyway, I like your proposed strategies for Day Two. I will find it hard to get on the internet for a while after Days start and a little while before they end. This could help me remain at least slightly inconspicuous as long as I make a fair number of posts around the middle of the day.

I'm going to maintain slight suspicion of the tar-spawn alliance and the sneaky Mormegil, but my main target (though I won't go overboard) will remain Lhuna.

Good luck!

[Aiwendil]

Night 3
Fellow canines -

Well, with two rather intense DAYS of discussion done with, I think we are in pretty good shape.

First of all, we've had far more luck than we've any right to. I refer, of course, to Holbytlass.

There seems to have been a sudden tendency to suspect me toward the end of the DAY. Farael's arguments still seem pretty weak to me. He really is taking what I say out of context and misconstruing me. Form is more worrisome, though he does admit that his suspicion is probably due to my attacks on him. If I can justify those attacks on DAY 3, I think he may ease up on me, or at least take me out of the prime suspect slot. LMP suddenly suspects me at the end of the DAY, after having said earlier that I looked innocent. I think that this can probably be played against him as a move rather similar to his sudden attack on Boromir on DAY 1. I'm in a decent position to make that accusation, considering my suspicion of the Boromir-voting crowd so far. SPM is also in a decent position to plant that idea, given his vote for LMP, but it might be risky for him to come to my defense.

It has occurred to me - and this idea may sound silly - that we might benefit from a code word or two. The particular thought I had went like this. At the moment, it's hard to guess whether I (or perhaps Eomer) will be a serious candidate for lynching tomorrow. We won't know until some way into DAY 3. This makes it hard for us to plan a wolf sacrifice, since we won't know until sometime during the DAY whether such a sacrifice is called for. It would be helpful, then, if I had some way of saying, during the DAY, "Okay, it looks like I'm done for, go ahead and accuse/vote for me" or "I think I can pull out of this; don't add to the fire". So it might be useful to come up with a word - one uncommon enough that we wouldn't use it accidentally, but not so outlandish as to raise eyebrows - as a signal for one of those messages.


To my fellow Wolves, greetings

A day of mixed fortunes. It started off excellently, obviously. Holby being the Seer was an amazing stroke of luck and one that I did not expect. The first half of the Day went well enough with the vocal squad (mormegil, lmp, Boro, Anguirel and others) all getting mired down in suspecting each other. However, it was somewhat soured towards the end with the increasingly voiced suspicions of Aiwendil and, to a lesser degree, Eomer.

And what a noisy village! I was quite busy at work today and really had little chance to catch up until near the end of the day.

I currently plan on going pretty strongly against lmp tomorrow. He looks rather suspicious right now and there may just be enough votes there to get him lynched. I also think that there is a chance that he's a Gifted (Ranger/Hunter). I'll probably keep up my "lmp guilty = mormegil innocent" and vice versa ruse. There is a good case to be made against mormegil on his voting record.

As for possible kills, I am considering the following possibilities:

Nilpaurion Felagund - Pros: Not suspected by anyone; I have declared him all but innocent; looks bad for Anguirel and a few others (including Garin and lmp); he doesn't suspect any of us. Cons: I think that he will continue to view me as innocent; a potential lmp voter.

Tar-ancalime - Pros: Could look bad for Garin and lmp; possible False Seer (Day 1 vote for Eomer). Cons: Aiwendil suspected her.

Farael - Pros: He's a pain in the butt ( ); no one seems to suspect him. Cons: Probably not Gifted; could look bad for Aiwendil (but could be viewed as a frame up); would stymie my tenative Day 3 strategy.

Anguirel - Pros: He's an astute guy, could be a Ranger/Hunter (with Celuin or Glirdan, both of whom he has defended). Cons: He seems to believe in my innocence (but that could change); his vote for Lhuna looks suspicious.

Kath - Pros: Leaves hardly any trail; suspicion in her did not materialise (and probably won't to any great degree tomorrow); she's unlikely to whip up much suspicion of our foes. Cons: She is unlikely to be Gifted - otherwise I'm sure that she would be contributing more.

Boromir88 - Pros: Makes Garin and the other Day 1 Boro voters look bad; he could be dangerous. Cons: he seems to be on my side - for now; could look bad for Aiwendil.

On balance, I think that we should go for Kath, even though she is unlikely to turn out Gifted. The way things have been going, we want to keep as many vocal villagers alive as possible, because they are eminently capable of turning (or being turned) on each other and it gives us a bit of cover (being fairly vocal ourselves).

It has occurred to me - and this idea may sound silly - that we might benefit from a code word or two.

Are we allowed to do that? If so, any suggestions. Maybe a common Werewolf-type phrase, but none of us would use it unless we thought we were in serious danger of being lynched? The sort of thing someone might say when under severe pressure?

One thing, though. We haven't had much opportunity to cast Wolf-on-Wolf votes yet. And I think that we should continue to avoid them unless we are going for a Wolf sacrifice. A safe (ie non-sacrifical) Wolf-on-Wolf vote will probably end up looking rather obvious as and when one of those involved is lynched and found to be a Wolf. Most players are pretty alive to that sort of thing now, as it has become a regular part of the Werewolves's strategy. In fact, it will probably be expected. So I think that we should avoid it.


I'm going to go through the villagers one by one with thoughts on them, particularly with respect to whether they would make good candidates for tonight.

Farael: His death would result in all the usual frame-up/double bluff discussion. But I think he may actually be of more use alive. His attacks are flimsy and they give me a chance to come off as an exasperated innocent.

Mormegil: He hasn't come under serious suspicion yet. Possible interesting repurcussions for the others who, like him, voted for Lhuna. But as SPM said before DAY 1, it's probably a good idea to let some of the other "loudmouths" survive for a while (though he has been quieter this game).

Dancing Spawn: Her death would have repurcussions for Eomer not unlike those for me if Farael were killed. Probably not worth it at this point.

Glirdan: A possibility for tonight. There was some suspicion of him earlier, but it seems to have died off. The one complication is his vote for Lhunardawen, which might - 1. bring suspicion on him tomorrow; 2. have people looking for some kind of bluff with regard to the other Lhuna-voters, including Eomer.

Nilpaurion: Another possibility, though I expect he still trusts SPM based on the anagrams. His faith in them may have lessened since Mormegil and I followed suit, though. His votes were for Farael and Anguirel, so I don't think any of us would be implicated by his death.

Tar-ancalime: She voted for Garin today, meaning that she may fall under some suspicion tomorrow. Also, killing her would only bring more attention to the other Garin-voters, including me.

Formendacil: His name has come up a few times but it looks unlikely that he'll be lynched. Comments about Mormegil regarding respected loudmouths apply to him as well, to some extent. I would consider him a strong candidate if not for his vote for me, which leads into the frame-up/double bluff discussion.

LMP: Definitely keep him alive. I think that a good case can be made against him tomorrow. Plus, his defensive rants are quite amusing.

Kath: An interesting one. She's come under just about no suspicion so far and didn't even vote today - which would seem to make her an ideal candidate. But the fact that she has been so quiet and almost entirely absent from DAY 2 may make her a suspect tomorrow.

Anguirel: Another Lhuna-voter. He doesn't seem likely to be lynched any time soon, but he may come under heavier attack tomorrow.

Garin: Keep him alive. There's still a fair amount of suspicion of him. Plus, I voted for him.

Celuien: Under some suspicion; doesn't appear to be onto us. Keep her alive.

Boromir88: Could be useful as an instrument to wield against LMP tomorrow. And there's also still a decent amount of suspicion of him.

So to me, the best candidates for toNIGHT look to be Kath, Glirdan, and Nilpaurion.

The thing is, I need to move on from just saying that I am keeping an eye on you. That too will look suspicious if you are lynched.

It occurs to me that we might try the following. SPM could say that I look like I'm playing my normal game and perhaps find fault in Farael's logic. This looks like a good move since it does seem fairly natural. I do think that I'm playing something like my normal game (whatever that might mean, considering I've only once survived longer than a day); and Farael's attacks are indeed flimsy. While appreciating your vote of confidence, I would then make a speculative case against you - along the lines of "It seems to me that one person has so far managed to avoid close scrutiny - SPM. Could he be a very clever wolf?" And so forth.

The advantage here would be that we each get to move beyond the safe "I'm keeping an eye on him" but we do so in a way that runs the least risk of getting one of us killed. We'd both be going against the grain, so to speak - you speaking in favor of my innocence while I'm under suspicion and me speaking against you at a time when that suspicion is unlikely to ignite anything serious.

As for Eomer - I think that it will work to our advantage that you have been a bit quieter than both of us. It's easier to avoid taking a clear-cut position with regard to you. If you do start to come under scrutiny tomorrow, I expect I'll avoid saying much about you yourself but rather warn that "there are others who are much more suspicious".

Are we allowed to do that?

It hadn't occurred to me that we might not be. I don't see why we wouldn't; it seems to me to be rather in the spirit of the game. But if either of you think it might not be wholly legit, then we can forget it.



It occurs to me that we might try the following. SPM could say that I look like I'm playing my normal game and perhaps find fault in Farael's logic.
I am pretty much set on this course of action now. If I have time, I am going to do a few analyses, focussing on those who attracted more than one vote yesterday. This will enable me to look more closely at lmp and to develop my opinion on you. I am confident that, when I go through your posts, I will be able to end up saying that there is very little there that looks suspicious. That will also enable me to examine Farael’s case in more detail, and it should be easy to pick holes in that. I do think that there is scope to bring Farael into the spotlight tomorrow. His focussing on just one villager can be made to look very Wolfish.

While appreciating your vote of confidence, I would then make a speculative case against you - along the lines of "It seems to me that one person has so far managed to avoid close scrutiny - SPM. Could he be a very clever wolf?"

While I am loathe to risk tainting my almost spotless record so far ( ), I think that others will be taking a similar look at me tomorrow. So it would be natural for you to do so. Please feel free to make the usual accusation that I might be manipulating village opinion against innocents. I have a standard response to that.

As for my approach to Eomer, I will play it by ear. Your relative quietness has worked well so far, as it is difficult to say much about you. I may try the tack of challenging one or two of your statements if anything occurs to me, provided that you are OK with that.

Possible Gifteds

The following are possible hints that I picked up on:

As I mentioned before, Anguirel defended Celuin and Glirdan quite early on, when there wasn’t much to go on (#52 and #45).

Celuin has defended Farael two days running (#75 and #163).

Garin’s “Only a fool would vote to lynch me” (#137) could be a bluff or he could be the False Seer. He has seems to be quite preoccupied with the False Seer role.

At the end of his delightful rant (#135), littlemanpoet responded to morm’s:
… obviously he's not the seer and I don't believe that he's another gifted. I really think his behavior is indicative of a wolf”
with:
Hah! haha! You make me laugh. Blind fool.

A possible hint by lmp that he’s a Gifted? If so, it’s very subtle.

Mormegil: He hasn't come under serious suspicion yet

I think that he will start to come under serious scrutiny tomorrow, given his Lhuna vote. We need to keep a pool of respected “loudmouths” alive for a while to deflect suspicion of us for still being alive. I also like the “littlemanpoet – mormegil” tension since, if one gets lynched, I am sure the other can be portrayed as very Wolfish.

Dancing Spawn: Her death would have repurcussions for Eomer not unlike those for me if Farael were killed. Probably not worth it at this point.

Agreed, although we need to try to encourage a bit more suspicion of her. I might look into doing this as I traditionally suspect dancing spawn when she looks innocent – it goes back to the game that I modded, where she was an excellent and almost entirely unsuspected Wolf. Eomer is in a position to brief against her too, as long as it doesn’t look too much like a reaction against her vote for him.

Glirdan: A possibility for tonight

His votes are explicable by reference to his real life commitments and I genuinely think they look like unlikely Wolf votes, so I doubt that he will come under much suspicion. The Lhuna voters are bound to be under scrutiny tomorrow, so I am not sure that killing Glirdan would make much difference on that score. I would like to reduce my “possible innocent” list, so a definite possibility.


Nilpaurion: Another possibility, though I expect he still trusts SPM based on the anagrams.

Yes, I think that he will still trust me. Towards the end of the day, however, I said that I was pretty certain of Nilp’s innocence. His death might therefore be construed as a Wolfish SpM’s attempt to make himself look innocent. Also, he’s a potential lmp voter (and he votes early). I would prefer not to kill Nilp.

Kath: An interesting one.

My initial preferred choice. However, on further consideration, I am not so sure. Holby was quiet. Kath is very quiet. If we kill all the quiet ones, it points to some noisy Wolves.

Anguirel: Another Lhuna-voter.

I actually think that Anguirel may be a good candidate for tonight’s repast. The longer he says alive, the more likely I think he is to spot one of us. There’s not much to link him with any of us and he is a possible (and dangerous) Gifted.

Boromir88: Could be useful as an instrument to wield against LMP tomorrow.

I am sorely tempted to kill him. But I agree that he is too valuable for now as a potential weapon against lmp.

I would suggest keeping Kath and Nilp alive for now, but would add Anguirel to the list.

Glirdan is very tempting because, as I said, I would like to reduce my “probable innocent” list before adding Aiwendil to it. Glirdan is, however, a potential lmp voter. So far, he has always voted early for the person looking most suspicious at the beginning of the day. That said, as it’s a Saturday, he may be able to vote later on day 3.

I wonder whether the better choice might be Anguirel because he is a respected and experienced player and his death makes it look a little less suspicious that the three of us are still around. At the same time, we still have enough other experienced “loudmouths” for cover. If he’s the Hunter, now would be a good time to kill him.


Greetings comrades!

Holby the Seer, ho ho ho....

Anyway, my pick for tonight's attack was Nilpaurion Felagund, because no-one suspects him (he's also not trying to get lynched—is that in any way weird? Maybe he's a gifted...) however SPM gives good reasons to keep him alive: Nilp and SPM have established a little friendship, and any response SPM makes to Nilp's death could look a bit suspicious—SPM will be linked somehow, someway.

I would prefer to keep Kath alive: I think her quietness is more severe than Holbytlass's, and I think it can definitely be used against her.

An attack on Glirdan would be fine by me. I would have no problems in taking out either Anguirel or Formendacil either. Farael, Dancing Spawn, LMP, Boromir, Mormegil, should all stay definitely.

As to Dancing Spawn's critique of me, I was nervous that I defended myself a bit too vigourously. I will certainly not start a fight with her today; but I will meet her challenge. My defence would have been identical had I been innocent: I don't think the case against me is strong at all.

SPM, perhaps it would be a good idea if you put a bit of suspicion on me. I would urge you to pretty much regurgitate what Spawn said about me, because I have pretty convincing answers to everything she said. On the end of Day 3 you could say something about me like 'Spawn could be right: maybe there is more to Eomer than meets the eye; but I think there are other characters worthy of more suspicion in this village.'

I would be against a wolf-sacrifice, and this is why. There is already suspicion against me and Aiwendil. If SPM were to jump in now with a vote for, say, Aiwendil and Aiwendil is hanged and found to be guilty, that would by no means grant SPM immunity. The village would be kinder to Farael and Morm (I think) because they got there first. Also, the wolf-sacrifice is well-known now. Back in the days of Werewolf VII, when a certain victorious wolf ruthlessly sacrificed his fellows Kitanna and Orominuialwen it was new and shocking; but folks are wise to it now; and when (if) the first wolf dies, we should use this fear and turn it against the innocent villager who discovered our identity (at this stage, likely candidates for this attack would be Farael or Spawn).

Another point about tonight's attack: I think Glirdan will be easier for us to manipulate than Anguirel or Formendacil. Should that count against killing him?




I am now rather regretting my little comment towards the end of the day concerning my belief in his [Nilp's] innocence. His death tonight might look good for me if he is the Hunter or the Ranger. But I tend to think him an Ord, as his anagram declares.

Should that count against killing him?

I think that it might. Glirdan can be quite the flip-flopper, while Anguirel is a more difficult proposition.

Aiwendil, any objection to taking out Anguirel?


I agree with Eomer that Anguirel is probably a better target for toNIGHT than Glirdan. I'll PM Shemod as well later.

About wolf sacrifices: I agree that they're probably not of much use to us now. I don't think that they've completely lost their power since the exploits of you famous ancestor, though, Eomer. In particular, I recall that in Alcarillo's game, wolvish Formendacil got a free pass for just about the entire game after his early vote for fellow wolf Spawn. Seems to me the key is that the sacrificial vote must appear decisive. But, anyway, I agree that it's probably not worth considering a sacrifice at this point.

Well, that's about it, I guess. If I don't PM again before DAYbreak, good luck to us!



I have what I believe is a good case against Spawn. Basically, I will argue that she is suspecting me (and voted for me, no less) on such-and-such grounds: grounds that she herself is treading. She's doing pretty much what she's angry that I'm doing. So I'm not going to attack her strongly, but I will certainly meet her challenge and trust that the other innocents will flock to my banner.

So SPM, you must post some suspicion against me in the first half of the day. I will only be able to get onto the internet about early afternoon tomorrow. At that time I hope to see another post by Spawn against me, and one from you saying that Spawn has made good points. Then I will come in, destroy (hopefully!) Spawn's argument, question her motives, then you will be left with no option but to admit that my response was a good 'un. Again, along the lines of 'Eomer still looks pretty suspicious, but my attention is given to others right now.' And talk about LMP again, probably.

Aiwendil, I'm hoping to get a little bit of response to my Farael question. Hopefully, we can drum up some support for you against Farael. I don't think it would hurt to say that he's hiding in his own boldness and stubbornness.

[Aiwendil]

Night 4
Hello comrades!

As thrilling as that was, I must say I'm becoming more pessimistic about our chances of winning. It looks like Aiwendil and I will both be lynched, quite possibly in the next two days.

Still, we have a kill to work out. I suspected Spawn and Nilp are the Guardian and Hunter. In a post earlier today Spawn simply declared 'Nilp is innocent'. Any thoughts?

What a day!

So, Eomer and I have both come under some heavy attacks. The three who voted for me were Farael, Boromir, and Form. Of those three, I'd say only Farael is nearly certain to vote for me again tomorrow. Formendacil has not offered much in the way of a case against me. I expect I might be able to persuade him to give me the benefit of the doubt. Boromir I'm not sure about.

So I think that I can probably survive DAY 4. The attacks against Eomer worry me more. I tried to build on the similarities between Eomer's "shrill" defense and the similar defense offered by LMP earlier to suggest Eomer's innocence, but I don't think anyone bought it. Nonetheless, it looks to me like as decent a strategy as any. But I fear that Eomer may be toast no matter what is said in his defense tomorrow.

I think that our choice for a kill toNIGHT is going to hinge critically upon our intended strategy for tomorrow. It seems to me that this is one case where it might be an effective tactic to take out one of those who looks likely to vote for me or Eomer tomorrow. I'm thinking mainly of those who voted for us other than Farael and Spawn. So first of all, we need to decide whether it's worth doing something as bold as that or whether it would be better to take it for granted that one of us will die tomorrow and try to set things up as nicely as possible for the survivors.

Another option, bolder and perhaps quite foolhardy, would be to take out either Farael or Spawn. It would, obviously, get people into the frame-up/double bluff debate. The obvious downside to such a move - that it puts either me or Eomer right in the spotlight - is somewhat moot now, since we'll be in the spotlight in any case. If we felt more or less sure that, say, Eomer was going to die tomorrow, it would probably be worth killing Spawn, simply because that would throw another (very unpredictable) variable into the mix and would have a chance of changing a few minds.


What a day indeed!

Eomer, I am afraid to say that you are looking in quite bad shape. I thought at one point that you would be lynched today. Not as a result of anyhing that you said or did. I thought that you handled it very well. I am not really sure where all that came from, as dancing spawn's case, however accurate, is not that great. I wonder whether she is a Gifted and her ally is one of those supporting her. Mormegil, perhaps? I am sorry if my own case against you contributed. I was following the strategy we agreed last night of echoing spawn's case. And then lmp's outburst happened. I tried to back off a bit at the end of the day and support your case against spawn, but I had to be careful. Still, you only received two votes out of a possible 13, so it's not certain that you will be lynched tomorrow.

Aiwendil, I actually think that you look in altogether better shape. Farael did not vote, so you only received 2 votes - from Formendacil and Boro. Form's was based on his previous day's vote, as he was otherwise indisposed for most of the day, so didn't have a chance to update his thinking. I think that I have a good rapport with Boromir88, so might be able to persuade him away from you. Anyway, I intend continuing to support you. There is really very little evidence against you.

Surprisingly, I am in great shape. I don't really quite know why. I have been trying to behave as I would an innocent, which normally brings me under severe suspicion by now. And I thought that my cynical attitude to lmp might cause some bad feeling against me. Funnily enough, the whole episode with him probably worked in my favour, as I was able to walk away from my case against him much more easily than if he had been lynched and shown to be innocent. And I really think that your briefing against me helped, Aiwendil, as it helped me get that whole "why is he still here?" thing out of the way.

So who should we kill today?

Dancing spawn is a definite possibility. It could well mean the end of Eomer tomorrow, though, so Aiwendil and I would need to consider how we should react. We could either go against Eomer ourselves or take the position that it looked like overly risky behaviour for a Wolfish Eomer to kill spawn. It would be a delicate balance, and I think that a lot of people would be prepared to believe that Eomer, as a Wolf, would be bold.

Eomer raised the possibility of Nilp and dancing spawn being the Ranger and Hunter. It's possible that Nilp is a Gifted, although that would mean he was lying in his anagram (for shame ). And I am not sure that dancing spawn would have been so bold to have declared her fellow Gifted's innocence in the way that she did. I do, however, believe that spawn could be a Gifted. Along with one of the others who supported her case against Eomer. Which points to mormegil.

Problem 1. If spawn is the Hunter, she will undoubtedly kill Eomer tonight, which would put us a Wolf down going into tomorrow and possibly two Wolves down coming out of it.

Problem 2. If spawn is not Gifted, she seems to me to be a prime candidate for Ranger protection. We don't want to waste a kill if we can possibly avoid it.

Any other possibilities? I don't want to kill Farael, as I don't think that you are in that serious a position, Aiwendil. Besides, he may well start looking suspicious for his plan to lynch lmp and for his non-vote (it could be made to look like lmp had put a spanner in his plans). And Formendacil and Boromir88 are out for the same reason. Kath and Celuin are possibilities. But I think that I would rather keep them. Tar-ancalime might be worth considering. It might reflect badly on spawn, and possibly relieve some of the pressure on Eomer.

So, Glirdan, Nilp, tar-ancalime or spawn?

The main question, I suppose, is to kill spawn or not to kill spawn.


I'd love to kill Spawn. There's a good chance the Guardian protected Spawn last night because that's when she really started going after me. Even if he/she didn't it's quite possible that he/she will leave Spawn well alone, so obviously involved in the discussion as she is. Of course, she could be the Guardian herself.

It would be a risk, certainly a risk; but because no wolf has been caught yet, this game has been too hard to predict Guardian activity.

We need to start killing the Hunter, the Guardian, and the False Seer. We can't have these people ready to declare themselves at the end of the game.

If Spawn is the Hunter then it would be worth losing me to take her out. I will be lynched sooner or later regardless.

I also agree that Farael will look quite bad today, and this might be the best opportunity to go on the attack. How do you think such an attack could be structured?

Tar-Ancalime's a strange one. She was under quite a lot of pressure near the start of the game but it has disappeared somewhat.

So, tentatively, Spawn is my choice for the attack. And don't discount my chances of avoiding the noose tomorrow, even if we get her!


An attack on Farael should not be too difficult to pursue. We have laid the groundwork already. He suggested lynching littlemanpoet to get at Aiwendil. I think that he can still be portrayed as a Wolf who is limiting his attacks to a few innocents. He probably will go back to attacking Aiwendil tomorrow, which could work to Aiwendil's advantage. There are still quite a few who believe you likely to be innocent.

I agree that you should go against mormegil tomorrow, Eomer. His approach to littlemanpoet can be viewed as "flip-flopping" (but don't use that word). I was planning on attacking him myself, but I may lay off him a bit. I'll see how things go.

On further consideration, I think that we should not attack tar-ancalime tonight. Suspicion of her was beginning to rise towards the end of the day and she may well come under attack tomorrow, particularly if we kill spawn.

And the more that I think about it, the more I agree that we should kill spawn. I have a feeling that she is a Gifted and, even if she is not, she is dangerous.

I am not sure yet what strategy I will adopt. It will seem strange not to look at the Garin voters, which will involve looking at you both. But, given the way things went yesterday, the voting record can be made to look unreliable. And Garin was definately looking suspicious, so your votes for him do not look unduly strange.



As for the proposed candidates for tonight's kill:

Glirdan is a possibility. He's not under much suspicion and his death wouldn't leave an obvious trail. I'd say that if we don't kill Spawn, we should kill Glirdan.

Nilpaurion - Rather like Glirdan. I'd prefer Glirdan on the off chance that he's Gifted, though (I rather doubt that a Gifted Nilp would lie in an anagram).

Tar-Ancalime - I agree that suspicion of her seems to be on the rise again. I also don't think that her death would put that much pressure on Spawn.

Spawn - The big decision, obviously. If Eomer is willing to go for it, killing her would at least make things interesting tomorrow. Much as I fear she might be the Hunter and that we might go into DAY 4 down a wolf, it also seems to me that if she is the Hunter, she's likely to continue to hunt Eomer. Which would make now as good a time as ever.

So Spawn looks like the best choice for tonight to me as well.

The one further thing we have to decide is how SPM and I should react to the inevitable Eomer situation tomorrow.



Given what I said about Eomer yesterday, and particularly if we kill spawn tonight, I think that I am going to have to maintain my suspicions of him. I will make the usual point about it looking very risky for a Wolfish Eomer to kill spawn. But I cannot back down from my suspicions on that basis alone. Looking back, I actually wish I had voted for you yesterday, Eomer, as you only received 2 votes, whereas Garin received 4. However, at the time I voted it looked quite possible that you would get more than 2 votes. So, for my part, I will maintain my suspicions of Eomer. If it looks likely, from what people are saying, I may even put in an early vote for you to try and gain some credit if you are lynched, if that's OK with you.

As for you Aiwendil, I think that you are in a much better position to try to counter the inevitable suspicion of Eomer. However, it is up to you, as you could be left in a dangerous position if he is lynched. Perhaps best to play it by ear and see if there are any others who are not convinced of Eomer's likely guilt.


If we think that he is quite likely to be lynched, I wonder whether it might be worth Eomer claiming to be the False Seer? If it comes off, we may be able to get the real False Seer lynched and at the very least we would identify him/her as a kill for tomorrow night (and thereby avoid him/her becoming a known innocent later in the game). Or might it look too transparent?

In any event, it would have to be pre-emptive to look at all credible, ie before the False Seer declares (unless the False Seer declares in a situation where he/she is likely to be lynched).


Anyway, I am very happy to attack Spawn tonight. Even if she is the Hunter, I will remain her target for the whole game, probably. And we can't have the two gifteds and the false Seer hanging around.

The option of me claiming to be the False Seer is intriguing. I think it might be worthwhile. But I'll have to play it by ear.

If I die soon, here's something you should make the most of. It's famously a bad idea for the wolves to defend each other within the game, so much so that my defences could tell quite the story once I'm gone. You may notice that I have given my trust to both of you, Aiwendil and SPM. You should play this for what it's worth. Say that a wolf wouldn't be so obvious to trust his fellow wolves, and that wolf-Eomer was probably trying to set you up (more so SPM because Aiwendil is already under some pressure).

And about tomorrow, if we do manage to kill Spawn and I'm still alive: I'd appreciate it, even though you may have to vote for me, if you accept that my defence against Spawn's accusations is very fair. You never know: that could make Formendacil or Kath or whoever sympathise with me.


Spawn 'tis.

You know, I think that Eomer claiming to be the False Seer is a great idea - if his death looks certain. If it does, I can see no downside to the claim. Yes, it would be transparent, but that would be quite irrelevant if Eomer's dead in any case.

So my advice, Eomer, would be that you wait and see how likely you are to be lynched. If you think don't think you can pull out of it, "come forward" as the False Seer. You could have some fun making up false dreams too . . .

I agree that I'm in a good position to defend Eomer tomorrow. But I think I'll argue that Spawn's accusations are rather specious, rather than trying to build up a case for your innocence in and of itself.

I've been trying to guess who, besides me and Eomer, is likely to emerge as a lynch-candidate tomorrow. We seem to be at a stage where just about everyone is under some vague suspicion but no one has emerged as a clear favorite. I'm interested in trying to figure this out because, while I'd like to cast a vote that might save Eomer, I don't want to look like I'm "bandwagoning". So my hope is that if I pick my target correctly early tomorrow, I can remain fairly consistent all day.

A final thing to consider is how we ought to react if Spawn is indeed the Hunter and takes Eomer down with her tonight. In such a case, we may very well be able to get things rolling against Tar-ancalime on the basis of her DAY 1 "random" vote for him.

[Aiwendil]

Night 5

The good news is that suspicion of me has dwindled and you remain in excellent shape. Also, I think the groundwork has been laid for Tar to be lynched tomorrow, and maybe Farael after that. I think, if I may say so, that I played up the idea of a Tar-Eomer connection effectively. At any rate, Mormegil has certainly bought it and Boromir may have as well. Indeed, Mormegil agreed with my suggestion that the trio is Eomer, Tar, and Farael.

Farael will no doubt take Eomer's guilt as evidence that I'm a wolf, and will point out my defense of him tomorrow. But at this point, I don't expect that many will buy it. Despite my vote for Tar, I did make a pretty strong point toDAY of claiming that I thought both Tar and Eomer were wolves. I think I can use this to counter any charges that I was trying to save Eomer.

I am rather unsure about whom to kill toNIGHT. Earlier, I was rather inclined to kill either Boromir, Mormegil, or Formendacil. My reasoning was that 1. I think it's likely that either Boromir or mormegil (or both) is Gifted; 2. YesterDAY it looked like Formendacil and Boromir might fall in line with Farael and go after me; 3. Formendacil is a known innocent.

However, those options look less and less appealing to me. I'm no longer in imminent danger of being lynched (I think), so taking out Form or Boromir probably isn't as worthwhile. And since Boromir and Mormegil seem to be highly suspicious of Tar, they could be useful tomorrow. Also, I suppose the Ranger will protect Formendacil toNIGHT.

I guess the real choice is which group to choose someone from: Boromir, Mormegil, Formendacil or Kath, Celuien, Glirdan, Nilpaurion. Do we try to kill a Gifted and risk damaging the case against Tar and Farael, or do we play it safe?

I imagine that if either Mormegil or Boromir is the Hunter, there's a good chance we could take out two innocents in one stroke toNIGHT.


My surviving comrade

I think that we are both in great shape. Me, obviously, for my vote for Eomer and the fact that (astoundingly to me) most people still seem inclined to trust me. And you are looking a lot better than you were a day ago. I think that you can pass off your vote for tar as you were not the only one to vote for her and she remains under suspicion. You did a great job of linking her with Eomer, and that idea was reinforced in subsequent posts. The danger for you will arise as and when tar is lynched and found to be innocent. Farael will continue to be a thorn in your side, and will no doubt bring up your defence of Eomer tomorrow, but he backed off from his accusations of you considerably towards the end of the day. And it looks like he is going to be under a lot of suspicion tomorrow, anyway.

So, who to kill? Or, perhaps it is better to consider first who not to kill.

Obviously, we do not want to kill tar. And I think that we should leave Formendacil alone too. The Ranger may not protect him tonight (thinking that we would assume him to be protected), but I think that he or she is more likely to do so than not. Others who will come under suspicion tomorrow are Farael (for his erratic behaviour and for his no vote), Kath (for her tar vote and for her quietness) and Glirdan (for not turning up and for not voting). So I think that we should leave all of them alone.

Which leaves Celuien, Nilp, Boromir and mormegil.

Celuien: She looks like she was duped by Eomer into voting for tar yesterday. But that could be made to look like Wolfish interplay. She is quiet and non-committal, which can be made to look suspicious. And she is, I think, relatively trusting of the two of us.

Nilp: Voted first for Eomer, and so is likely to be thought innocent. However, I think that makes me look good for trusting him. And I think that he will continue to trust me in return. He also said that, if Eomer turned out to be a Wolf, Boro would look bad. Although Boro voted for Eomer, Nilp could view that as a Wolf-on-Wolf vote.

Boromir88: A possible choice for tonight's kill. I have said that I think him innocent, so the proof of that may reflect in my favour. However, he may come under suspicion tomorrow. There is Nilp's comment about the consequences of Eomer being a Wolf, and tar voted for him. It is quite possible that his vote for Eomer will be seen as a Wolf sacrifice, given that he said earlier that he was going to vote for tar (I will not be bringing that up though, as it may lead people to look at my vote).

Mormegil: Tentatively, my choice for our kill tonight. After his pursuit of Eomer, he is likely to be thought innocent. Also, I actually think that his death may heighten suspicion of tar and Farael, as people have seen that the Wolves are prepared to double-bluff with their kills. Some may say that the Wolves would not attmept it two nights running, but that in some ways makes it look even more Wolfish (ie the Wolves can be portrayed as banking on the villagers thinking that). However, my main reason for wanting to kill mormegil is this:

Those are the three that are lycans and deserve death and yes Gandalf I can give it to them.

Is that a Hunter hint? Why would mormegil hint at being the Hunter? Quite possibly because he thinks that he has identified the other two Werewolves, and he doesn't think that they will dare kill him. If he is the Hunter, the Ranger won't protect him, obviously. And if he is genuine in his suspicions of Farael and tar, we have the opportunity, as you say, of taking out two innocents in one night. Moreover, if mormegil is the Hunter, we may well be able to work out from what he has said, and from what others have said about him, who the Ranger is.

My only reservation, if he is the Hunter, is that he is bluffing with his stated suspects. Even if he is, he will most likely take out another innocent. I really don't think that he suspects me, especially after my Eomer vote, so the only danger is that he secretly suspects you and will target you tonight.



I'm certainly leaning toward killing either Mormegil or Boromir toNIGHT. I have a feeling that one or both of them is Gifted - though I'm not entirely sure what gives me that impression.

The drawback I see to killing one of them is that we would probably be eliminating our own supporters in the case against tar and Farael. Still, it would be worth it if we could take out a Gifted. I tend to agree with you, then, that it should be Mormegil (who will looks less suspicious than Boromir tomorrow).

Before we finalize it, though, I'm going to have a look through both Boromir's and Mormegil's posts for possible hints.


My fiendish friend

Before we finalize it, though, I'm going to have a look through both Boromir's and Mormegil's posts for possible hints.

I have done the same, as four pairs of Wolfish eyes are better than two. I came up with the following:

Morm quotes:
While I possess great physical prowess and dexterity it's my mind that has won me many a battle. I am able to out think my opponent and that, my friends, will be your greatest asset ... (#11)
So I made a preemptive strike. (#169)
Anyway, notice in this post how Garin begins to attack LMP but backs off and twists it to continue his assault on Boromir, who as many others feel seems more or less innocent. (#260)
Those are the three that are lycans and deserve death and yes Gandalf I can give it to them. (#388)

Boro quotes:
Note that most of his posts bear the White Tree symbol.
mormegil: seems pretty innocent. I'll wait for him to conjure up a rediculous plan before I tell him how wrong it is and start suspecting him for getting us distracted with such ludicrous ideas. (#113)
lmp, I almost want to say lynch me so people see behind your twisted words, but no that wouldn't work well. (#138)
But, morm has backed down from his suspicions now after hearing lmp, so I don't think him that suspicious as the other two I will mention. (#164)
Mormegil I'm still unsure about, and because of that I don't want to rashly lynch him yet, especially since he's good to have around. (#164)

They have hardly accused each other, and, when they have done so, it has been in the mildest terms. Also, they often seem to be posting at the same time (which might mean nothing as I believe that they are in the same, or a similar, time zone, but it could have been arranged during daytime PM'ing).

I feel relatively confident now that we have found our remaining Gifteds and that morm is the Hunter, while Boro is the Ranger. Of the two, I think that we should kill morm tonight, while his suspicions are (seemingly) diverted towards tar and Farael. We may not get another chance. If morm is the Hunter, then Boro would seem a good choice for the following night. Form, we can afford to leave in the village for a while, if we have an opportunity to kill the useful Gifteds in the meantime.



A thought just occurred to me.

Assume that morm is the Hunter and Boro is the Ranger. They can PM each other during the day. What if they agreed that mormegil would outline clear suspicions at the end of the day and drop a heavy Hunter hint at the same time, and that Boro would protect him that night? He would lose his Hunter ability for the Night, yes. But, if he survives and no one else is killed, then he and Boro will have a strong indication that neither of morm’s stated suspects are Wolves since, if they were and they took the hint, they would not dare attack him. On the other hand, if someone else dies, then Farael and tar will be looking very Wolfish to him.

On reflection, therefore, I wonder whether we should kill Boro. He is looking innocent to many of the villagers right now, and I have expressed my belief in his innocence, so he is not a bad target even if he is not the Ranger. And, if I am right in my speculations above, then it is quite possible that morm will declare himself as the Hunter tomorrow and go strongly against tar and Farael.


That's an intersting theory. I certainly wouldn't put something like that past Mormegil.

But - suppose it's like you say, and we kill Boromir toNIGHT. Tomorrow, we lynch Tar. She's revealed to be innocent. So tomorrow NIGHT, Mormegil knows that his suspicions were off and re-considers whom to hunt.

In other words, it seems to me that once Tar is dead, Mormegil, if he's the Hunter, will become all the more dangerous.



I see the sense in what you are saying. We may not get another opportunity to safely kill him again. In that case, however, we may decide not to kill morm and go for Formendacil instead (particularly with the Ranger out of the way, if Boro is indeed the Ranger). A revealed morm is nothing but a known innocent if we decide not to go after him, which is exactly what Form is right now. We can then decide when best to kill him, or even leave him be if it looks like we can still win, even with a known innocent in the village.

I do prefer the Boro option because, even if he is not Gifted, his death does us little harm and, if anything, benefits us. And we have no guarantee that morm is the Hunter. If neither of them is Gifted, then I think the Ranger would be more likely to protect morm than Boro.

In addition, I think that morm is far more likely to be of assistance in getting tar or Farael lynched. Boro can be rather mercurial in his supicions, whereas morm falls more on the single-minded side.


Yes, as I think about it, I become more and more inclined to kill Boromir. We may still be able to kill Mormegil tomorrow NIGHT; even if Tar is lynched and found innocent, I expect Mormegil will not immediately come around to suspecting me, and it's unlikely he would suspect you.

[Aiwendil]

My canine colleague,

I think things went more or less as well as we could hope toDAY. You are deemed completely innocent due to your vote for Eomer. I am still under scrutiny, but it seems that of the non-Eomer voters, I am perhaps the least suspect. The fact that it's been so quiet works in our favour, I think - though it leaves less room to hide.

Anyway, I suppose the big question toNIGHT is whether to kill Mormegil or Formendacil. What it really comes down to, I guess, is: 1. How sure we are that Morm is the Hunter; 2. How likely it is that he's hunting one of us.

I'm still rather inclined to think he's the Hunter, particularly given that we were right about Boromir. Nonetheless, I want to see how well I can convince myself of it.

Farael is almost certainly not the Hunter, given his self-vote. Nilp is probably not, either, given his anagram. But I would like to go back over the posts of Celuien, Glirdan, and Kath for any possible hints of Giftedness before we settle on Morm.

But, let's suppose Mormegil is the Hunter. The next question is whether it's possible that he's hunting one of us. We can be virtually certain he's not hunting you. But what about me? Early in the DAY, he picked up on my attempts to save Eomer and said that I was looking suspicious to him:


I did some reviewing of Aiwendil, the last few post of yesterday didn't sit right with me. [...] It appears that Aiwendil tried to disguise his vote and save Eomer. If tar-a isn't a wolf, which I'm not sure of I think Aiwendil might be. Regardless I think he's worth looking at.

He later backed off of this, saying:


The more I hear from Aiwendil the more I find myself trusting him.

Late in the DAY, he said:


My opinion of Aiwendil is that he's more innocent today than yesterday and I appreciate SpM's analysis of him however I cannot shake the problematic defense of Eomer and the 'saving votes' I noted earlier.

Now, if we take what he says at face value, it seems rather unlikely that he'll hunt me tonight. Much more likely he'll go for Farael. However, it strikes me that it's possible he was trying to set me up and quiet any fears I might have of killing him.

Also, we have to consider how he'll react to Tar's innocence. He seemed fairly confident of her guilt earlier. Will he see this as further evidence that I was trying to save Eomer by casting suspicion on Tar?

Well, those are some things to think about. I am definitely leaning toward killing Mormegil tonight. He's only likely to become more dangerous later.

Wolf Ngaurondil

I have to say, though, that I think the day went rather magnificently, although it was a bit of a roller-coaster ride early on.

Boromir88 turning out to be the Ranger was of course great. I had convinced myself that he was because of those White Tree icons. Strange how no one really commented much on his death. With Boro having been the Ranger, I am almost certain that mormegil is the Hunter.

The Day took a bit of a downturn with morm's initial suspicions of you. You handled that very well. But then, just after I had made a strong case against Farael (who's bizarre logic is his own worst enemy), he went and voted for himself. I thought that might get some villager's sympathy (as it did Formendacil's), but decided to maintain my suspicions of him as it could easily be viewed as a Wolfish ploy. After that, things just got better and better with everyone seemingly turning against tar. She did not help herself with that one short post. Indeed, neither Kath nor Glirdan really helped their causes either. The longer their lack of any substantive input goes on, the more suspicious they will become. And I found it amazing that we virtually had the run of the village ourselves for much of the day, to plant the seeds of suspicion at our leisure, if you will. The only concern here is that it makes us noticeable, and people will start wondering why the Wolves have not killed us (especially me).

It is excellent that you got away without voting for the Day's lynchee for once. I considered voting for Farael, but thought it best that we vote differently and tar looked the more likely to be lynched. With my record it was better that I voted for her. Actually, I almost considered voting for you, but I was concerned that morm and Form might follow suit. It would also have been rather illogical, based on the suspicions that I had been airing.

The case for killing morm is that he is (I am sure) the Hunter and, as you say, he backed off his suspicions of you considerably towards the end of the Day. His innocence is virtually accepted by all and, if he is the Hunter, he might declare at any time and become a known innocent. We also have the chance of taking two villagers down with one kill. The case for not killing morm is that there is a reasonable chance that he will Hunt you tonight, especially with tar being proved innocent. Your vote for tar on day five now looks dangerously like an attempt to save Eomer. In addition, I do think that morm is easier to persuade than Form. That's not to say that we can manipulate him, but he does take notice of what others say and pays attention to well-made arguments. I also have a rather selfish reason for not wanting to kill off morm. As long as he is around, I look less suspicious for still being alive. And, let's face it, with morm dead, you and I will be virtually the only villagers left speaking.

Problem is that, the longer he stays alive, the more likely he is to Hunt one of us as and when we do kill him. So, unless he is to stay around until the end, we probably ought to kill him tonight. Either option (morm of Form) has its risks for us.

On balance, I think we probably ought to kill mormegil. But you are the one most at risk if we do, so it's up to you.

In addition to working out our kill, we need to consider who each of us should target with our suspicions tomorrow. I doubt that either of us can really back down from our suspicions of Farael. In addition to him, I plan on briefing against Kath (quite an easy task) with perhaps a little suspicion of Glirdan thrown in. It is difficult to make a case against Celuien, so perhaps you ought to start taking a look at Nilp.

Finally, we should think about what to do if the village starts to turn against you in light of tar's innocence. I think that you should be able to pull through it. Farael and Kath should be more likely candidates to be lynched. But, although I would rather not be left as a lone Wolf, I may have to consider voting for you, even if it risks you being lynched. I think that I will certainly have to express some strong doubt about you quite early on. Either that or I back off my suspicions of you and start regarding you as more likely innocent, perhaps an unlikely approach for a Wolf to take towards a fellow Wolf at this stage of the game. I just think that my current "some suspicions" approach will look rather obvious if you are lynched. What do you think?


I've looked back at Glirdan's, Kath's, and Celuien's posts, and I still don't see any sign that one of them could be the Hunter. So I'm feeling pretty confident that we're right about Morm now.

Which leaves the question of whether he's hunting me. I've been pondering the last thing he said about me:


My opinion of Aiwendil is that he's more innocent today than yesterday and I appreciate SpM's analysis of him however I cannot shake the problematic defense of Eomer and the 'saving votes' I noted earlier.

I noted earlier the possibility that his decrease in suspicion of me could be a set-up to get us to kill him tonight. But that's not the feeling I get from this quote. If he intended such a set-up, I'd expect him to state clearly that he thinks I'm innocent. Here he comes across as quite genuine in thinking that I look more innocent but that he still has some doubts.

So let's set aside the set-up possibility. Supposing that his views are more or less exactly as stated, will he hunt me? The one thing that might cause him to do so is Tar's innocence. I was pretty firm in linking her with Eomer on DAY 4. But on DAY 5, I backed off significantly, saying that Eomer's last-minute antics made Tar look much less suspicious. I even voted for Farael instead. So I'm really not sure to what extent Tar's death will implicate me in Morm's mind.

But another thing to consider is the fact that Mormegil will probably only get more and more dangerous. Suppose we don't kill him tonight. Suppose we lynch Farael tomorrow. He's innocent. Now Mormegil will most certainly suspect me. Getting him lynched (even if we could do it) wouldn't help, because he may very well take one of us with him that way as well.

Can we win without Mormegil's death? I tend to think not. He could declare himself as the Hunter, remember, in which case we'd have a proven innocent - and a very intelligent proven innocent - with very few villagers left.


I also have a rather selfish reason for not wanting to kill off morm. As long as he is around, I look less suspicious for still being alive.

This is true. On the other hand, killing Morm would almost pre-empt suspicion of you. What I mean is that you'd have a very simple answer to the question "Why are the wolves not killing the loud, unsuspected villagers like SpM?" "Well," you'd say, "the wolves are killing the loud, unsuspected villagers. They've killed Boromir and Mormegil and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm next."

So I suppose I lean toward killing Mormegil as well. I'd like to think it over a little bit more, though.

I agree that Kath will be a good target for you tomorrow, particularly with her vote for Tar. I'm thinking that I'll remove Celuien from my suspect list and possibly go after Glirdan. In writing my analysis of him, I found a few weak points to target. But I guess it's inevitable that Farael will be my top suspect tomorrow.

I would wait at least a little while and try to see which way village opinion of me seems to be going. Of particular interest is Formendacil's opinion, because he's a proven innocent who will be trusted. If it looks like a storm is brewing against me, then you could start to ramp up your suspicion. But if not (if, for instance, things are more focused on Farael), it might be a good idea to go the other way - to back off a little with your suspicion of me.

I think that morm will still have reservations about targetting you (or me, for that matter) as the three of us were the only ones who really contributed much of substance today. It may be that he will not want to risk the village losing your valuable input as well as his in one blow.

It really all comes down to how much he is likely to suspect you and how much he suspects others. As you say, you backed off your suspicions of tar during the Day, and voted for Farael who, for all he knows, is a Wolf.

Indeed, his most likely alternative target, I think, is Farael. He voted for Farael, so he was obviously unimpressed with the self-vote. Tar and Farael were most villagers' main suspects during the Day. With tar proven innocent, the obvious choice is surely Farael. Of course, if morm does Hunt Farael and takes him down with him, you will attract a fair amount of suspicion the next Day, but I am sure that you can deal with that.

His other possible target is Kath, given that he noted her vote for tar as curious at the end of the Day. She does look suspicious.

On balance, I think he will go for Farael, but it's still a risk, obviously. I reckon that morm will be expecting to be attacked tonight, so he will choose his kill very carefully.

Some further thoughts.

I think that we do have a reasonable chance of winning without killing mormegil tonight, but this would most likely involve you standing as a sacrifice, with me going strongly against you, on Day 6 or 7. That would allow me to kill mormegil the Night after your death with minimum risk and probably gain me enough credibility to take the win on Day 8 (some time next Monday).

If, however, we kill mormegil tonight, we could be making it much easier or much more difficult for ourselves, depending on who he takes with him.

If he takes Farael with him, we have a chance of winning with both of us surviving and in a shorter time (on Day 7), depending upon how the remaining villagers react to you following the deaths of tar, mormegil and Farael.

If, however, morm takes you with him, the whole game becomes rather more difficult to win, particularly as this carries with it the most chance of the village (Formendacil and Farael particularly) turning on me.


I've been pondering.

Leaving Mormegil alive tonight and performing a wolf sacrifice on DAY 6 or 7 is an attractive possibility. I would envision things going more or less like this:

- Form dies tonight.
- I get lynched tomorrow
- Mormegil dies the next night, taking someone (maybe Kath?) with him
- That leaves you and four innocents on DAY 7

You'd be fairly secure after getting both me and Eomer lynched, and it would probably come down to you vs. two innocents on DAY 8.

On the other hand, if we kill Mormegil tonight and he doesn't happen to be hunting me, it'll be the two of us versus five innocents tomorrow. There's a fair chance I'd be lynched on DAY 6, which would again leave you and four innocents on DAY 7.

Of course, the best case scenario would be that we kill Mormegil tonight, he kills, say, Farael, and I manage to survive DAY 6 (which is possible, given that Kath looks rather suspicious). Then it would be the two of us versus three innocents on DAY 7, and we'd be virtually certain to win.

And last of all there's the worst case scenario - we kill Mormegil and he takes me with him. Then it would be you against six innocents on DAY 6. In all likelihood, this would devolve to you versus four innocents on DAY 7, the only difference from the previous scenarios being that you would not have the extra security of having lynched me.

I'm really quite torn. My usual instinct is to play it safe, but I'm very tempted to take the gamble.


That pretty much mirrors my thinking.

I am up for the gamble, but given that you are the one most at risk, it's your call.

All right, I'm up for the gamble as well. Let's kill Mormegil.

If I die tonight, good luck to you!

Mormegil it is then. I shall PM Shemod.

If you die tonight, I am going to have a very hard time bringing the game home. But I will do my best.

I sincerely hope that you do not.

If you do, my condolences.

Apologies for our loquacity - though what I've posted has been significantly trimmed down, honestly!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Fascinating stuff, guys. Every night I wondered how your discussions were going.

I still can't believe that I was the quiet wolf. :D

[mormegil]

I haven't read through all of your discussions as they are seem almost novel in length :rolleyes: but I find it interesting that on Night 2 you thought I was gifted because I was more quiet than normal. The problem there is that I've been busier for the last couple of games but I guess my reputation as an extreme loud mouth proceeds me and won't leave me no matter how hard I try.

[Formendacil]

I get the feeling that no-one will believe that I could possibly be a wolf again and so will give me the benefit of the doubt. The Seers will not bother dreaming about me and I will last 'til the end. (I hope.)

Not a chance.

I may have been a Fool, but you were my Night 1 dream, Eomer. And SPM was my Night 2. After that, I knew I was the Fool, so I stopped dreaming.

Why did I pick you first?

Simply because you HAVE been a Werewolf so often- and because you were the one Loudmouth Saurondacil didn't dream of.

SPM was a given second-placer.

Oh if I had been the real Seer!

I still can't believe that I was the quiet wolf. :D

That's one reason I had a hard time suspecting either Aiwendil or SPM for the longest time... it seemed natural that you should be the loudmouth of any wolfpack.

[Lhunardawen]

Mark my words, SpW: Never again will you live 'til the end of ANY game, whatever your role may be. Just ask Eomer. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's true. My record of surviving once is rather amusing. SPM has already done better than that.

Formendacil, imagine you had been the True Seer. I suspect the outcome would have been rather different! Hard luck, villagers. :p

[Anguirel]

Be comforted, Eomer...I'm at the same level. Generally eaten, sometimes lynched, often defeated at the very end...only one survival...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

We are tragic heroes, Anguirel. Tragic heroes...

[Boromir88]

I think I've only made it threw totally only once...that was when I was a wolf with phantom and Lalaith. The other times I was lynched for being too helpful in catching wolves for the villagers (always seemed odd to me :rolleyes: ) or dying at night.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'd like to know who has survived the greatest number of times. And also whether anyone can best my win-loss record. :D

[The Saucepan Man]

I have survived three games out of nine (I think), once as the Hunter, once as an Ordo and once as a Wolf.

I'm sure that others can better that, though.

[Anguirel]

I'm pretty unsuccessful really. I tend to win only in the games in which I die early...(slight hyperbole)...4 out of 9

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Actually SPM, 3 games is a very impressive number to have survived in. I'm not sure many people can claim that.

Just to remind everyone of the bar for winning sides: 7 out of 9. :smokin:

If there's a way of taking credit for the efforts of others, you know I'll take it. :D

[Holbytlass]

Oh if I had been the real Seer!
When I saw that I got it, I was so hoping to be the false seer, that would have been real cool for the village to have that confusion out of the way.

I've only made it to the end once as an ordo-the wolves killed us. I must be especially tasty because I mostly get eaten at night. I've never been lynched as an innocent villager. It must be my disarming charm and sweet-girl smile :D!

[Shelob]

My lived/died record looks like this:
(numbers represent the game number, w=wolf, s=submod)

Tol-in-Gaurhoth
died: 1,3w,11,12,17
lived: 9w
mod: 8s,18

WWJ
died: 3
lived:
mod:

I'm not sure how many times I've been on a winning side. I know the two games when I was a wolf the wolf team won (in game 9 Wilwa, Menel and I creamed the village without losing a single wolf), but I'm not sure of the outcomes when I was innocent.

I think it's a curse, unless I'm a wolf I can't survive past the second night. I just haven't figured out how to be an innocent yet. I'm not sure what that says about my nature but can't imagine that it's particularly good. However, to make up for that fact I'm particularly good at dying...I'm blaming that on precedent though.

[Formendacil]

Let's see...

My record thus far is:

XI: Last villager standing, eaten by Alcarillo- Werewolves won.
XII: Second werewolf taken down- Village won.
XIV: One of two surviving Werewolves- Werewolves win by landslide.
XV: Saurondacil- Captain of the Winning Team
XVI: Moderator
XVII: Innocent Villager surviving to the end- Villager victory
XVIII: The First Fool, eaten late in the game- Werewolves won.

So, out of six games played, I've been on the winning side three times, so I'm even for losses and victories.

I've also survived the game three times, and survived to the end four times (counting my first game, where I was, techincally, eaten).

[Lalaith]

I only survived once, as a wolf, on the occasion Boro mentions.
Once I was eaten half-way through, (ew, that sounds horrid, doesn't it...) the other two times I died on the last day...the circumstances were noble in one case and utterly ignominious in the other. I offered myself for lynching in WWIV to ensure victory for the villagers, and was eaten by tar-a because of my own quixotic foolishness and others' wilful mischief in WWXIII *glares at Ang*

[Glirdan]

Hmmm....

My record is

IX - Made it to Day 4 as the Bear and finally got in a double a lynching with Zali
X - Double lynched with Cailin as an ordo
XIII - Ordo then got taunted to death on Day 5
XV - Made it to Day 1 as an Ordo
XVII - made it right to the end as Hunter
XVIII - made it to the end and then got devoured by SpM
JII - lynched on Day 2 in a double lynching with Marcolie

Wow, I could have sworn I was in more games then that! Oh well.

But, as you see, I was an always an innocent except for my very first game and I never won. The only one that I lasted to the end in and lived was XVII. Oh well, hopefully I can change that...

[Anguirel]

Just found my Werewolf career recorded in full...knew I had it squirreled away somewhere...

WW1-Werewolf with Kuru and Firefoot. Was lynched on Day 1 but incriminated Fea. Victory for Wolves!

WW2-Guardian. Was foolishly obvious and was murdered by a wolf-pack led by the phantom. Defeat for village. (Blacksmith role)

WW4-Seer. Caught Hookbill but was slain by LMP. Narrow victory for village-but first! (Brehon role)

WW10-Ranger. Was eventually defeated by...wolf-pack led by the phantom...defeat for village. (Gaurwaith role)

WW12-Villager. Lynched on Day 1 but left sword to Eomer-ultimately narrow victory for village. (Knight Errant role)

WW13-Villager. Lost game by obsession with avenging grudges. Defeat for village. (Jester role)

WW15 (modded)

WW18-Villager. Killed on Night 3 after a fair start. Game lost... (Banker role)

WWJ3-Lead wolf, narrowly defeated. Best game yet. (Squire role)

WWJ5-Villager, caught wolf, survived. (Herald role)

WINS TO DATE: 4

LOSSES: 5

Or you can read the "family history" I posted late in WWJ3...

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Well, those are all the ones that we caught. Were there any others? I had an anagram, too.

"Trio Doom! Quite fitting name for the wolves. Oh, and please keep off the grass. My sheep are trying to eat."

I didn't want to write 'sign' before it, so I added the 'keep off the grass' sentence there which was supposed to indicate a sign. Trio Doom = I'm Ord, too.

Thank you, Aiwendil, for sharing your furry conversations with us.

I'd love to kill Spawn. Thanks a lot... :p


If I haven't mistaken, tar-ancalime is working on a project to make a list of people's winning ratios and find out who is the most victorious player, but I might post my records here as well.


2 - Wolf, stayed alive till the end, my team won
4 - Ord, killed on Night 4, my team won
7 - Ord, killed on Night 4, my team lost
8 - Ord, stayed alive till the end, my team won
10- Ord, stayed alive till the end, my team lost
14 - Wolf, lynched on Day 1, my team won
15 - Hero, stayed alive till the end, my team lost
17 - Ord, stayed alive till the end, my team won
18 - Ord, killed on Night 4, my team lost

So, my team has won 5 games out of 9, and I've stayed alive till the end as many times. But if the wolves have killed me, why always on Night 4?!

[mormegil]

Game 1 the bumbling seer who caught a wolf on night 1 but was too vocal and exposed himself. It was Firefoot that I caught.

Game 3 I was an ordo who the wolves killed on night 4. (cleric role)

Game 5 I was a WW and dreamt of by the seer and killed on day 3

Game 6 I was an ordo who helped in the lynching of 2 of the 3 wolves and I survived the entire game.

Game 7 I was an ordo and was killed on Day 6. (official executioner)

Game 8 ordinary villager killed by wolves on night 2 (alchemist)

Game 9 Shirriff was my gifted role and I was killed by the Black Beorning on Night 3 (Merchant)

Game 11 this was the most frustrating game ever for me. I was the hunter and when I proclaimed myself Abercrombie contested me. I was lynched by the village but took down Abercrombie with me. (blacksmith)

Game 12 ordinary killed by wolves on Night 5. (messenger)

Game 14 I was an ordinary killed by Hunter Aiwendil. (repairman)

Game 15 Ordinary yet I survived (Crabby old wolf)

Game 17 I was the cobbler and I survived to the end though my wolves did not. (elven smith)

Game 18 Hunter who killed the wrong person and failed the village miserably. (soldier)

My team has won 5 of 13 :rolleyes:

I've survived a total of 3...yet again :rolleyes:

[Lhunardawen]

And here I thought I was the only one keeping records like this. :D

VI (Lhunatic) - Hunter, survived to the end. Village win

VII (worse Lhunatic) - ordo, betrayed by my lupine big bro :mad:. Wolves and Cobbler win.

XII (healer) - ordo, didn't post for a Day and was killed by another lupine big bro. Village win.

XIV (polite little shepherd girl) - Ranger, lynched while hospitalized in RL. Wolves win.

XV (the girl-who-cried wolf) - ordo wolf, lived and talked to the very end. Village win.

XVI (potion pizza person, in honor of the mod) - Seer, went crazy and got her last protection lynched, attacked by wolves but "rescued" by the mod, though still died. First ever tied game.

XVIII (princess) - extraordinary, got herself in trouble for being overly haughty. Wolves win.

So that's two games I lasted in, three out of seven games on the winning side and one tie.

See, I've never been lupine. Why do you keep lynching me?! :p

[Lalaith]

If I haven't mistaken, tar-ancalime is working on a project to make a list of people's winning ratios and find out who is the most victorious player,

Gah! If it hadn't been for my foolishness in XIII, I would have had a 100% score there....

[Farael]

See, I've never been lupine. Why do you keep lynching me?! :p

++Lhuna

What did we say about SPM? "he was never a wolf, so why fear him?" no, I shall make sure you get lynched every time, as I fear you'd be able to pull a stellar performance like SPM did this time around.

[Lhunardawen]

++Lhuna

What did we say about SPM? "he was never a wolf, so why fear him?" no, I shall make sure you get lynched every time, as I fear you'd be able to pull a stellar performance like SPM did this time around.Who, me? Of course I won't! If you'll look at my post above, you'll see that I get lynched more often than not. ;)

*innocently looks around while whistling...if I know how to*

[Boromir88]

Well a look back at the 7 I've been in. I usually made it pretty far, but only made it totally through once.

WW8: My first game, started as the Seer, and the first game with the Werebear. Made it to the last night, when I came out and revealed myself. Abling the next day for Gurthang the bear, to be lynched (after Sauce almost botched it :p )

WW10: I was a werewolf in this one with phantom and Lalaith, of course with their help we were easily able to take care of the insolent villagers. This one I made it through.

WW11: Ordinary, again I died the last night. After getting Azaelia and Formendacil to follow my vote and lynching the cursed wolf arctic. Alcarillo killed me and did a wonderful job weezling his way around the noose and took a win for the wolves.

WW12: Ordinary, phantom's game and I was the insulter. After being so helpful in killing a wolf, the village decides to they want to lynch me, and my suicide partner in crime (tgwbs) are lynched. But the village still one.

WW14: Ordinary, a game that was exciting yet one the village did pretty bad in. Came down to the last day, there were two wolves and 3 villagers (but one of them was the cobbler- Fordhim). So sort of as a last ditch attempt, tried to pull off that I was the cobbler, hoping to cause mass confusion and...really don't know what else. In any event I attempted suicide again.

WW15: Ordinary, this was Anguirel's, villagers strike back, which they failed to do :D . Where I lied because I made it through totally on this one as I almost forgot about it. Werewolves (or the innocents in this case win)

WW18: Most recent one, ranger and lost...

So that makes me 4/7 on the winning side, surviving all the way through 2 of them (ironically both of them I was a wolf-one time bad wolf, one time good wolf :p )

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Lalaith, how many games have you played in? If it's more than 4 you beat me.

[The Saucepan Man]

I have opened a new thread for the purpose of posting, reviewing and discussing game stats:

The Tol-in-Gaurhoth Grimoire (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=12675)