WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Thinlómien]

I don’t know anything about your WW-playing history, so I don’t know how much experience you have. An inexperienced player might have talked on and on. This is my fourth game, but you're right; it doesn't rule out me being stupid. But a stupid ordo. Not a stupid wolf.

I’m sure they do. But a wolf wouldn’t want the others to know that s/he was okay with that random vote. Why didn't the wolves then say that!?! You're unlogical and wolvish, Enca.

My plea: don't kill another innocent today! Don't kill me. I'm just an ordinary victim.

If you need explanation for my vote, see my post #231.

[Nogrod]

Anyone suggestions?

Lommy is getting lynched, and even if it's just a hunch, I find her more flip--flop than a wolf.

Taking Gil out now seems like irresponsible action on our part. We will have to have some reasons for our votes...

I'm inclined to take Ang's word for it and go for Enca. Let's not forget Ang's posts now, even Ang left quite a while ago...

And I'm still suspecting Naria a bit too. Threatening to reveal a gifted status and then doing nothing over it is suspicious. And using Sleepy's narration that way too...

Help!

[Thinlómien]

Lommy is getting lynched Thanks for your concern, but I believe it's now equal...? My only joy in my death would be that if we're going to have a me+Enca double lynch and Enca is a wolf, then we get one wolf killed.

[Thinlómien]

Or of course I can hope that if/when you lynch me, you will maybe the next day find something out by analysing the bandwagon.

And I can laugh at your stupidity and hope the best for my fellow innocents.

[Nogrod]

Ang has voted for Enca two days in a row. Consistently.

Holby's most suspicious were Naria and Thin (well only two days, even if a seer).

[Thinlómien]

Ang has voted for Enca two days in a row. Consistently. Usually, people don't do that without a reason. But when it's Ang the logic is so complicated that you just can't say. Or then it's so simple that you don't see it.

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm back! Oh, everything has gotten quite ugly! I believe in Holby's not suspicious list. I'm going to stand by that. After reviewing everything, I no longer think Thin is a wolf. I would like to think Eonwe is, but I'm not sure, and I don't want us to lynch another innocent so:


++Enca

I don't trust you. I think you've been twisting our seer's words to say what you want. I also think that you did pick up that hint and that's why Holby is dead.

EDIT: Cross posted from 251

[Nogrod]

Thinlómien 2 (Valesse, Enca)
Enca 3 (Ang, Thin, Roa)

Two of Holby's "innocent" list voted for Enca...

[Thinlómien]

An update, Touché-man?

EDIT: cross-posted with Nogrod making the post useless

[Roa_Aoife]

Two of Holby's "innocent" list voted for Enca...

That's becuase we know we're innocent, and so we know that list was correct. Which means Holby couldn't have been certain of Thin's status.

[Thinlómien]

I have to leave now.

I hope I find myself alive when I come back next Day.

[JennyHallu]

I am so totally unsure of who to vote for right now. Both Thin and Enca look suspicious to me, but Gil looks far worse...I don't want to cast a useless vote, however. How does the voting stand?

I think it's Enca 2, Lommy 3. Am I wrong?

I'm inclined to believe both seem equally suspicious. But if I had to choose which one (if, worst case scenario) both were wolvish, I would rather have around...Lommy's more likely to make her wolvishness obvious. Enca seems more dangerous...I'll wait just a little longer...

So many are not voting.

EDIT: WOW that xed with a lot of posts...

[JennyHallu]

If you innocent, Enca, sorry. But if you're wolvish you're far more dangerous. I don't want there to be a risk of a double lynch today.

++Encaitare

[Nogrod]

Thinlómien 2 (Valesse, Enca)
Enca 3 (Ang, Thin, Roa)

Two of Holby's "innocent" list voted for Enca...

=ROA That's becuase we know we're innocent, and so we know that list was correct.

Exactly.

So I can't see a reason to vote otherwise. I could try my case Naria, but it would be futile in this situation, and anyhow, she seems to be suspicious only in my eyes, so maybe it's just me seeing ghosts. I trust Roa's opinion alongside Anguirel. As they both vote for Enca, and I can see their point well. So here we go.

I just hope our verdict turns out well!

++ Enca

[Nogrod]

Enca 5
Thin 2

[Roa_Aoife]

Votes
Enca - Ang
Thin - Valesse
Thin - Enca
Enca - Thin
Enca - Roa
Enca - Jenny
Enca - Nogrod


EDIT: Cross posted with Nogrod, twice.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Times up, Enca will be dead soon.

[Nogrod]

Not voted: Gil-Galad, Naria, Eonwe...

X-posted with Sleepy

[Sleepy Ranger]

It was Encaitare's turn to die but as they stood in front of the fountain nothing happened. Nobody fell asleep, nothing at all. The villagers realized they would have to do this one on their own. Each of them lifted one of the weapons that had been left for them and began to head towards Encaitare, there was no fear in her eyes only a smirk on her face. As the villagers drew closer she tossed her head back and let out a howl as she began her transformation into a wolf. Most people dropped their weapons and looked on in terror as she moved towards them, she tried to grab the nearest villager but then that voice spoke up again, "You're not supposed to this! Bad girl!"

The blood in the fountain rose and two tentacles of blood lashed out grabbing the wolf around her waist, cutting into her skin. She let out a cry of pain as more tentacles rushed at her, grabbing onto different parts, cutting her flesh and bone. Not a single drop of blood spilled, all of it was taken in by the fountain. The surviviors stared at the scene in horror, the fountain was consuming her. There were crunching noises as it dug into her and finally after what seemed an age it was over. The fountain had eaten her whole. As the villagers looked on, ripples began to form on the surface and then without warning there was an explosion from the fountain, shooting out different parts of Encaitare's body everywhere. It was raining, it was raining Encaitare.

Alive

JennyHallu - The friendly neighborhood nutcase waving a doomsday sign around
Roa_Aoife(i) - Babysitter, the blonde, large chested one that always runs upstairs when she should be running out of the house
Nogrod(i) - Post-Structuralist musician
Thinlomien(i) - Sculpter specialiazing in making nightmarish birds.
Naria(i) - Butcher
Gil-Galad - Bell Ringer
Anguirel - Herald at arms
Eonwe - Gold Miner
Valesse - Poultry gender analysist

Dead

Sleepy Ranger (mod) - Impaled on a cupid's arrow with his head nearly cut off.
THE Ka (werewolf) - Moreish Pavlovian Psychologist - Had her legs cut off.
Littlemanpoet (innocent) - Traveling minstrel/bard - Had an eye gouged out and his hair ripped off.
Valier (innocent) - Cruel Duchess - Had her back snapped and wept tears of blood till death.
Witch_Queen (innocent) - Homeless guy - Died due to loss of too much blood through vomitting.
Holbytlass (seer) - Governess
Encaitare (werewolf) - a scientist who specializes in analyzing small pebbles and other silly things

[Sleepy Ranger]

And the eight survivors awoke to find a corpse looking at them, only that it wasn't looking, it couldn't be looking for the front of its face was missing. There was no blood, the fountain had taken care of that as usual. The villagers searched around for a while but saw no sign of Naria's face, it was nearly as if it had vanished off the face of this world. But as her cold and lifeless body sat there, back against the fountain the voice of their host spoke up, hearty as ever. "Another innocent dead and I believe we're very close to winding this one up. Who will live, who will die? I don't know... I don't know..." His voice didn't trail into its standard laughter but instead the fountain formed a sort of smirk. The innocents now understood that no matter who won they would lose.

This day was colder than the others, it was frigid in fact. Nobody could tell for sure what this sudden drop in temperature meant but the over-cast day had many people more panicky than usual. Many had died and many more would die as well, blood had been lost and more would be shed soon enough. Each looked at the other with a look of dis-trust. But for all the evil that was present in this place there was one thing that changed it all, from somewhere in the distance a tune could be heard, it was a guitar.

Alive

JennyHallu - The friendly neighborhood nutcase waving a doomsday sign around
Roa_Aoife(i) - Babysitter, the blonde, large chested one that always runs upstairs when she should be running out of the house
Nogrod(i) - Post-Structuralist musician
Thinlomien(i) - Sculpter specialiazing in making nightmarish birds.
Gil-Galad - Bell Ringer
Anguirel - Herald at arms
Eonwe - Gold Miner
Valesse - Poultry gender analysist

Dead

Sleepy Ranger (mod) - Impaled on a cupid's arrow with his head nearly cut off.
THE Ka (werewolf) - Moreish Pavlovian Psychologist - Had her legs cut off.
Littlemanpoet (innocent) - Traveling minstrel/bard - Had an eye gouged out and his hair ripped off.
Valier (innocent) - Cruel Duchess - Had her back snapped and wept tears of blood till death.
Witch_Queen (innocent) - Homeless guy - Died due to loss of too much blood through vomitting.
Holbytlass (seer) - Governess
Encaitare (werewolf) - a scientist who specializes in analyzing small pebbles and other silly things
Naria (innocent) - Butcher

[JennyHallu]

Wow, Naria pulled an impressive bluff...and a dangerous one. And I think we can thank her for saving our Gifteds another Night. Perhaps this means our wolf doesn't know who the Gifteds are! I'm feeling really positive about our chances of finding the final wolf.

I'd like us to take a closer look at Gil and Eonwe today, as well as Thin (still). I voted for Enca yesterday so as to try to avoid a double lynch (which we can ill afford), and luckily, since I was really unsure of which seemed more wolvish to me, we made the right choice. However, I still don't think Thin is necessarily off the hook.

Right now my list stands thus:

Probably innocent:
Roa, Anguirel, Me

Unsure:
Valesse, Nogrod

Possible wolves:
Thin, Gil, Eonwe

[Nogrod]

I kind of shared Jenny's optimism yesterday evening (and today RL), but now I admit being quite baffled.

=Jenny Wow, Naria pulled an impressive bluff...and a dangerous one. And I think we can thank her for saving our Gifteds another Night. Perhaps this means our wolf doesn't know who the Gifteds are!

Even though I would like to share Jenny's optimism even now, and the interpretation she gives us, there is still something unnerving in this whole affair. This kill is just so... random-like. There's just no sense in that!

Let's hope this tells of our wolf getting slippery and jumpy, and being quite at loss - not of her/him being on the controls better than we have suspected...

[JennyHallu]

I didn't interpret it as randomness...but as a reaction to Naria's Gifted-hints in response to your challenges. At least, that's the only way it makes sense to me. And if that was how our wolf was thinking, then Naria's bluff was successful. Hey, it fooled me. I thought Naria was either the Ranger or the Hunter.

[Nogrod]

Right now my list stands thus:

Probably innocent:
Roa, Anguirel, Me

Unsure:
Valesse, Nogrod

Possible wolves:
Thin, Gil, Eonwe

Well. Making lists then...

I would keep the first two on the "probably innocent"-list, and then naturally change Jenny for myself. Of the others, I can't say much.

Don't knows, in the order of my "least susceptible-hunch" at the moment:

Thinlómien seems to dict and contradict... :) Last night's voterun gave her empathy points, but they sure are not out-from-suspicion -points

Jenny plays actively and loud - being not much less aggressive at times than I am. Should probably really look her posts another time to have an opinion.

Eonwe has not voted in two nights in a row. Gave explanations in the discussion thread. Very careful player. Have to check him out too again.

Valesse seems to play very varied game: sometimes being brief and almost random, sometimes really performing well. RL or wolfishness? Don't know...

Gil has explained his last days in the TiGJ too, but as his presence has all the time been quite elusive and rare - and he promised to give his grounds for his Jenny-vote too! Let's see if he produces some! Suspicious... but might be a quiet villager too?

[Nogrod]

I didn't interpret it as randomness...but as a reaction to Naria's Gifted-hints in response to your challenges. At least, that's the only way it makes sense to me. And if that was how our wolf was thinking, then Naria's bluff was successful. Hey, it fooled me. I thought Naria was either the Ranger or the Hunter.

That's the impression I got from your post, and kind of said, I would like to believe it was that way. It would just sound too easy... Maybe I'm just thinking too highly of our wolve's skills?

[Anguirel]

The innocents now understood that no matter who won they would lose.

But for all the evil that was present in this place there was one thing that changed it all, from somewhere in the distance a tune could be heard, it was a guitar.


I do not like the sound of that first bit. This was the time I had things tipped as my "survive to the end" routine. If even victory brings us doom...

That far off minstrel had better be something seriously helpful...

In any case, I think I'm probably alive today only because of the indirect influence of the Ranger.

As it happens, I'm not the remaining Seer. But I'll admit I got uncannily lucky yesterday. I was also, I might as well say, planning to masquerade as a Seer (relying on the real one staying quiet and trusting me) if insufficient movement against Enca was galvanised, and declare her a wolf. Thank Eru it didn't seem to be necessary.

So wolf, if we fail to hang you, kill me out of spite, but only if you're seriously low on inspiration. Which, frankly, wouldn't surprise me.

I wonder if perhaps we should have a mass-revelation of Gifteds? With three Gifteds, Roa and I semi-proven, and a few Seer dreams, we'll be mostly covered, though overlap will detract from that.

At the moment I am inclined to clear myself, Roa (despite the fact she annoyed me by Seer-babbling, she's proved helpful twice, though she ought to be looked at to confirm things), Thinlomien, (Enca was in far too desperate straits to set up her last ally, and she was also cunning for Thinlomien since the beginning), and Gil-Galad. Honestly, lynching the blighter is a waste of time.

I am especially suspicious of Jenny, who defended Enca for some time but did not stick to her guns, and, naturally, Valesse, who got trapped in Enca's bandwagon when it looked like Thinlomien might yet be lynched.

So...to mass-reveal or not to mass-reveal? That is most certainly the question.

[JennyHallu]

I'm sorry, I did not mean to seem to be defending Enca. I simply had no particular opinion on Enca and did not want to vote for her on an argument I did not understand.

As for the Gifted-reveal, I'm not sure if that's the way to go or not. I'll wait until more have chimed in to see what's going on. Frankly, I don't agree with your opinion on the harmlessness of Gil-Galad. He has barely posted, and hasn't said anything remotely useful...yet he's survived so long. His behavior seems odd to say the least, and he's left so few clues only a seer's dream could defend or condemn him with any certainty.

[Anguirel]

To blame a tongueless cretin is a rather unstylish technique for a struggling wolf, Jenny. I generally prefer to kill them off and then have fun with the ones that talk, when the moon-affliction comes upon me...er...my ancestors...cousins...descendants...fan club...whatever...

I'd be happy to include Gil-Galad in a double-lynch, but to single lynch him is to waste a day. And thus, I'm pretty sure, to condemn myself to death.

I am increasingly for the mass revelation. Remember, it's extremely likely that due to the Ranger the Seer will get one more dream-the wolves will have to kill the Ranger instead if the worst comes to the worst.

If you consider the situation, it will become clear to you that only a desperate and cornered werewolf would shun its advantages.

[Anguirel]

Oh, and about defending Enca. Your apology makes you seem worse in my eyes. Can't you even give an account of yourself, prophetess of doom, rather than swaying with every stray breeze? When I said you defended her but did not stick to your position, it was really the second part that alarmed me.

[JennyHallu]

So I cannot explain myself without seeming wolvish? If you say I defended her, then voting for her means I did not stick to my guns. I say I did not defend her, which would imply that I had no particular guns to stick to. It seemed more important to me to avoid the double lynch.

And as for the mass reveal, it seemed to me that we have only one wolf, but three gifteds, all hidden from that wolf. This is my second game, dear Ang-with-all-the-reincarnations. My immediate assumption was that keeping them hidden was a better plan. I am willing to admit being wrong, but a single person saying so, no matter the experience, does not, in my mind, an irrefutable argument make. I cannot defend myself against you if a disagreement makes me wolvish. I am only what I am, and if I disagree, or am unsure, I will not keep it to myself like a sneak.

If that makes me wolvish, so be it. But I assure you I am not.

[Nogrod]

Mass-revelation (oh, how biblical that sounds!) has it's sides. But the wolf will be trying her/his best too. S/he Probably is going to boast being one of the gifteds, if our seer doesn't seem to have knowledge on her/him... So we'll be having one really big fight today, and if we make a mistake...

This should be given some thought. Reliable three gifteds + one or two living dreamed of's could do the trick...

X-posted with Jenny

[Anguirel]

If a wolf poses as a Gifted, they are doing exactly what we want.

We simply hang both claimants. Bingo! One martyr plus one wolf. It's happened many times before.

But I expect the wolf will slink in an obscure, unrevealed, rump which we can examine with the bright light of rationality.

Victory for the wolf is now impossible. What matters is the manner of our victory.

Speaking quite frankly and selfishly, I want to survive. Thus I want to get the culprit today. Thus I want a mass-revelation.

Jenny's coming across as far more innocent now, but I'm not ready to ignore the various slips she made in the interim.

It's good night from me now.

Oh and I'm an ordinary villager, to make things perfectly clear, with extraordinary good luck. Though I would quite like to say I was the hunter, as it would boost my chances of living...

[Nogrod]

If a wolf poses as a Gifted, they are doing exactly what we want.

We simply hang both claimants. Bingo! One martyr plus one wolf. It's happened many times before.

But I expect the wolf will slink in an obscure, unrevealed, rump which we can examine with the bright light of rationality.


I see the point. Sorry to be so dumb as not to see that before. Well my second game also, as with Jenny.

I'm tempted to see your argument being valid and our chances good.

But what is the worst scenario? We find out three gifteds (and the wolf too finds them) - of which the ranger gets killed the next night and the seer will have one dream more, before being killed the next night. If we kill an innocent tonight, and the "dreamed one" being an innocent, and we don't get it right tomorrow, it comes down to:
tomorrow morning: seer, hunter + 4 villagers + 1 wolf
the day after tomorrow: hunter + 3 villagers + 1 wolf

Compared to our situation now:
This morning: 7 villagers, no roles known, hunces only + 1 wolf

I was just wondering, whether there is something like a very-very cunning plan that a wolf would be looking at?

You say:
Victory for the wolf is now impossible. What matters is the manner of our victory.

Well, it would be winning with real style to conquer the village from this point! I just look at the wolves as real cunning ones, sorry... probably I'm mistaken.

PS. Some nauseating RL stuff. I'm checking some exams right now and have some to do before going to sleep (11.15PM here now), and tomorrow is a tight one. I try to follow any action here for maybe an hour+ from now on. Then I may have time between 14-16PM (GMT) tomorrow and then, at earliest, an hour before the vote.

EDIT: added (and the wolf too...) to the "worst scenario" starting... + "Compared to this morning" lines...

[JennyHallu]

I'm beginning (after a half-hour's drive home from work, with nothing to do but listen to the radio and think) to understand the benefits of your revelation scheme. And frankly, I'll enjoy seeing exactly how off my instincts are...I thought you were the Hunter, Ang.

I'm also an ordinary villager.

[Nogrod]

I'm beginning (after a half-hour's drive home from work, with nothing to do but listen to the radio and think) to understand the benefits of your revelation scheme. And frankly, I'll enjoy seeing exactly how off my instincts are...I thought you were the Hunter, Ang.


As my thoughts come to back the idea too, I would very much like to hear Roa's thoughts - or anyone's with some experience of the game. Anguirel sure is a great player, and just for that reason I'm a bit reserved still, and would hope to have more time to think out possible outcomes of the projected mass-revelation. One experienced player taking two newcomers on the hook and taking them where-ever she wishes could be just a good shepherd guiding the innocents or the the real devil carrying them to some other place.

Please, pay heed. I'm not suggestring than Ang is a wolf, but this all seems so easy-going that I start to suspect it a little.

[Eonwe]

Lets see, here's some things to think about:

First off, sorry for not voteing again yesterDay. I fully intended to vote for Enca, but got sidetracked.

Anyway, I know I'm innocent. Ang is either playing a deparate game, or is entirely innocnet. If I'm not mistaken, we have a seer left, don't we? Or not? If so, that seer has a great many known innocents stashed away, and what with our Hunter and Ranger, that would narrow teh list almost to the point where we could go by process of elimination. Either he's innocent, or hopeing to be saved till last, and that he will have just enough time. Anyway, two votes consecutively for Enca puts him in a great light, but that could be just what he wants, especially considering he's found a way onto my 'innocent' list.

Lommy is also looking pretty good. Consider the two votes from Enca. This can be innterperted as evidence for and against, but I think that it is more against her being a wolf, espcially combined with her insane talkativeness (no offense :p ).

That leaves us, or me at least with JennyHallu, Roa_Aoife, Nogrod, Gil-Galad, and Valesse. Five players.

Gil-Galad has been to quiet and away too much to be really suspicious of being a wolf. I think it would be cheap to be so distant if you were a wolf. But that really proves nothing.

So I have to say my list to be examined is made up of JennyHallu, Roa_Aoife, Nogrod, and Valesse.

As for Ang's idea of a mass revelation, I think that would be an excellent idea. Narrow the list as much as possible, especially while we have so many Gifted left.

[Nogrod]

What I am concerned about, is the possibility of this mass-revelation playing to the hands of the wolf somehow. I've had to concentrate on those RL-exams, and hadn't have time to think this thoroughly over.

I was just wondering, whether in the situation of us all revealing ourselves - and the wolf being out of any suspicion, hiding as an ordo (Ang f.ex.) - the wolf could still make this a winning game, from a quite desperate situation? Wouldn't a wise wolf just try something like this in these circumstances?

Remember. Holby's set of "probably innocents" were Roa, Ang and me. She could have known for sure only two of them. And really knowing even two from us, would be quite fantastic indeed. Roa seems innocent because of revealing THE Ka at the first round of the game (would really be a cunning wolf indeed to kill her partner the very first night!) and Ang has voted Enca consistently for two days untill killed as a WW (wolf killing wolf again?). But after my name, there was the extra focus (oh, my broken english!) in parentheses: "despite the heated posts" - or whatever the exact wording was. So I believe, she had dreamed of me and knew my innocence and tried to show you, that I shouldn't be worth killing anyhow.

This just leaves me with the question of Ang's and Roa's innocence. They both seem innocent to me, they sure do! But that's just the problem. A very good wolf would look just like that!

Now I know, that this revealment tactics would settle the matter concerning the gifteds. What I'm afraid of, is that, which happens after the revelations. The wolf will know the gifteds and kills them one by one (the hunter is a case a bit different), and if the villagers are Gil-like posters, dropping in once aDay, they will be of no match for the wolf.

I am truly ready to back up the revelation-plan, after some more clear arguments in favor of it - and after done some thinking myself. Mainly anyone clearing my fears of a possible jackpot for the wolf with this and the grounded vision of our enhanced probabilities with it. I'm not against the plan as such, just hope that any more experienced players back it up a bit before we go on with it.

Good night (RL)!

PS: Eonwe: we do have one seer left!

[Eonwe]

The thing is, there are seven of us innocents left. After this Evening, there will be only six. There will be three Gifted, leaving the Wolf a fifty-fifty chace of killing a gifted, and the Gifted being completely usless. Time is catching up with us, albiet, not at a very great pace, but stilll, the last wolf is often the hardest.

Nogrod, I think it is very dangerous ground when you speak of 'Holby's Innocent List' (ei. Enca's twisting analysis). After all, until she came out and said "I dreamed of him and he is Innocent!" we really don't know.

PS. Work will keep me until 3:30 tommarrow, so anything I do will have to be done tonight.

[Gil-Galad]

all that i really have to say is that it would be a waste to lynch me in one day, but if you double lynch me, you will have 50% chance of getting a wolf then, so i say that you have to be very careful, two wolves are down, and we get the third wolf it will be a great day for us villagers, and Nogrod, i would like to think why voting for Jenny was outrageus?


oh and the wolf will only kill me if he feels threatened and wants to play it safe, so if i get killed off by wolves, i urge you to look at the people that didn't vote for me and look at the person that got second-pressure to me.

[Valesse]

The Herald's Call:
This "Great Reveal" seems a little too risky to me.

Nogrod pointed out the math (post #283 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=451309&postcount=283)) but with such stylish phrases as:
If you consider the situation, it will become clear to you that only a desperate and cornered werewolf would shun its advantages.
I don't blame him for the foggy post ending. I can see the advantages to this plan, but frankly I believe we should not be so hasty as to give out our roles quite yet. Lets not just take an idea and run with it... after all I remember one wolf that tricked me into playing his little game which I survived, but only just.

That isn't to say I feel that our honorable Anguriel is a wolf for forging this, but that there is still a possiblity, and we have to remember that we're offering our trust in what may just be a devious plan. Perhaps Ang did not see the math when he thought this up, but the wolf definitely has now. Its a matter of odds, and those might still be far too wide.

If it is the village's want to go through with it, and they have faith in it, I'll do my part, but as for now until I am reassured, it just doesn't seem fool-proof yet.

Gil-Galad's Fate:
Though I object to some of the border-line name calling thats been going on, I quite agree with the general consensis at this time. Partly because I'm guilty of the same "crime", and partly because I rather like having an extra villager on our side. I'm glad that we all basically feel that it is for the better of the village to no longer do away with those who might not be the most productive, but in their own respect keep the village alive.

I'm also interested in hearing his voting reason, as it was promised.

[Eonwe]

Man, I do so hate werewolf. All that is going on in my head is playing a bluff-double bluff-triple bluff-nth bluff game. :confused:

Anyway, I think Nogrod got some of the math wrong. At least he left out some possiblilities. Consider:

We have one seer left. There have been four nights, and so four dreams. That is five known innocents at least (if two of the dreams were Ranger and Hunter + the seer). At most we have seven (4 dreams, 1 seer, ranger and hunter). We might get lucky and get a ranger save, or at least another seer dream. There are actually quiet allot of possiblities...let me see.

Hmmm. Guys this really is a no brainer. The seer must come out. Just think it over, and know that the ranger will sacrafice himself, and you will get another dream, hopefully narrowing an already small field to two. And taht is a worst case senario. Best case, you have it pretty much wrapped up, if you don't throw it away by waiting one night to long and getting killed.

PS. this post does not show the evolution of my thought prossesses, just the final product, hence the leap to no brainer. Just think about it and perhaps you can draw some diagrams like I did. I swear, werewolf has a hold on my life entirely to great... :rolleyes: ;)

[JennyHallu]

Gah! I'm so confused. Are we revealing, or not? And where's Roa?

And Gil, the vote is outrageous, until you explain WHY exactly you voted for me. Please, and thank you.

EDIT: Xposted with Eonwe

[Eonwe]

cross posted last time with jenny.

um, where did gil vote for you? am i totally missing it? :confused:

oh and consider this: mass lynching, though i hate to say it. to much liek russian purges or something, but hey i'd martyr if i had to. (and i'm sure ang will hate the thought but i think it is a legit tactic ;) )

[JennyHallu]

Post 159, I think, Eonwe.

[Eonwe]

Ah, back aways, eh? I agree, that doesn't look so good, leaving that hanging so...

Seer, really you should consider carefully. Though I really think you have every reason and chance to make it work...

[Nogrod]

Wait a minute everyone!

If we make a mass-revelation, the wolf will know both the seer and the ranger. Then ranger goes, then the seer.

If only the seer comes forwards, s/he will have one more dream and the ranger will protect her/him (as in m-r case), but the wolf won't know, who to kill!!! The wolf must guess from 1/6!

So I think our seer should think this out...

Eonwe: don't forget, that some of the people the seer has seen dreams can be dead already, so the information concerning them isn't outright useful anymore...

PS. Just popped in before the school. Will be back about 2-4 PM (GMT).

[Anguirel]

Those of you who are resisting the mass-revelation plan because it seems "devious", or because I'm supposed to be so "experienced", are thinking with your lily livers, not your brains. Like a group of hens waddling round their yard and clucking. And I wouldn't be surprised if the last wolf were encouraging you. That puts Valesse in an interesting

What's certain is that this should be all or nothing. If we go for a safe compromise and leave, say, the Ranger hidden, sod's law and the Wolf's vote will put him or her in very great danger by day. Besides, s/he won't be able to guard the Seer for long anyway, sine s/he cannot guard the same person for two nights running. That scuppers Nogrod's recent plan.

Alright. I'm going to demonstrate, at length, why the wolf is terrified of the mass-revelation and will either be using negative psychology-like Jenny-or hen-burbling-like Valesse-to stop it.

There are eight of us.

The Seer, Ranger and Hunter leaves five.

The Seer has had four dreams. Even if we say two of them overlap with the Ranger and Hunter or with dead villagers, that leaves three options. Hopefully only one will and we'll have two, but that might be going a bit too far.

In other words, the proven innocents will vastly outnumber those who remain unknown, and if we fail today a further Seer dream will simplify things further still.

The Wolf's fate will be utterly, utterly sealed. Ignore Nogrod's ropey Maths and worst case scenarios. The only way the beast can expect to win is by profiting from confusion, because eventually he'll be clearly revealed by process of elimination, as the few remaining unknowns are hanged...

As well as the Wolf, though, there will be another group hesitant about going along with this.

The Gifteds.

I can understand that. They have a lot to lose. The Hunter will never get to use his or her cool ability. The Ranger will be turned into marscapone if we mess up today. The Seer's life expectancy will also be short.

But just remember this. There is a time for subterfuge, and a time for heroics. Delay now is fatal. Hasten and you will have eternal fame and glory. Continue lurking because you don't want to be eaten and...no one will remember your name when the tale of our piecemeal destruction is told.

They'll use standard epithets.

"The Seer who was Blind"

"The Ranger who was Negligent"

"The Hunter who was Frightened of Blood"

Do you want that? Or crystalisation as paladins, saviours, close to the Valar themselves?

Step forward, Gifteds. It's the bravest thing, and the most useful, you can do in this game.

[Nogrod]

If we go for a safe compromise and leave, say, the Ranger hidden, sod's law and the Wolf's vote will put him or her in very great danger by day. Besides, s/he won't be able to guard the Seer for long anyway, sine s/he cannot guard the same person for two nights running. That scuppers Nogrod's recent plan.


!) I don't think leaving the ranger hidden anything like a safe option. It's indeed more daring (and our lynch today must be wise...).

2) Ranger can't protect the seer for two nights, yes, but with mass revelation, not even one... (well indirectly yes, for one night, but the end result is the same, expect that the ranger has some chances of being alive with my suggestion, and thence pose an additional threat to the wolf)

But really. I don't know. This is so frustratingly hard, and so much fun!

But as there is time, I would think our gifteds should hold their horses still. Let's see this through with enough minds to settle it.

[Anguirel]

You'll look like a prime yokel if the wolf uses its head and detects and kills our Gifteds anyway...as it is probably more than capable of doing. The self-importance of all but the finest Seers and Rangers makes them psuchologically easy to spot after a long night on consideration and analysis.

[Thinlómien]

But if I had to choose which one (if, worst case scenario) both were wolvish, I would rather have around...Lommy's more likely to make her wolvishness obvious. Enca seems more dangerous...I'll wait just a little longer... Apparently, even stupid villagers can help the village to lynch the wolves... ;)


Remember. Holby's set of "probably innocents" were Roa, Ang and me. She could have known for sure only two of them. Three, if she revealed her fellow seer.

And people who suspect me, I tell you this: why would two wolves (Enca and the imaginary wolf-Thinlómien) bandwagon for the same person (and their fellow wolf!) on Day1? Why would they have posted evidence against each other (like me and Enca yesterday) and then voted for each other? I don't think that wolves are so keen on killing each other.

My main suspects are Eonwe and Valesse. I don't have any special suspicions against them, but I think the rest less suspicious.

I disagree about lynching Gil. I think we shouldn't lynch him, because no wolf would be so careless as he is. And if he is a wolf he really doesn't play a fair game. Probably by lynching him we would just lose one more innocent. Makes no sense to me.

I'm still pondering, whether I'm for or against the mass revelation. I'd say I'm for it, but I'm sure there's some fault that we haven't noticed in it. And Ang, I didn't get your point against Nogrod's "ranger remains secret"-theory.

Though I know why I'm not so keen on that theory. Many enough villagers have declared their ordoness and thus if the seer and the hunter reveal themselves, there aren't very many possibilities, who's the ranger and the wolf'll probably get him/her anyway.

[Thinlómien]

What I forgot to say in my previous post is that I'm very happy to be alive. When I first got to know it I was so happy and even happier when I heard that we had lynched a wolf. Thanks for killing her rather than me. (And I know that now Ang or someone else as grumpy ;) says I seem wolvish because of my thanking, but I really don't care. I just wanted to express my gratefulness and rejoice the death of one murderer.)

but I think that it is more against her being a wolf, espcially combined with her insane talkativeness (no offense :p ). No offense taken, but I have really been quite normal after Day1, haven't I? (Okay, I still have the most posts on this thread, but Nogrod is only two posts after me.)

(And Eonwe, I can't take you seriously when you're having that avvie - are you aware that it resembles the crazy donkey in Shrek very, very much?)

Case Eonwe
Day 1
1st post - nonsense
2nd - Says there is no real formula in WW, suggests waiting for the seer to announce some innocents, makes other remarks about gifted revealing themselves. Says we will be wrong in the lynchings from time to time. Votes LMP.
3rd - "Most everything about Werewolf is nonsense, my dear Lommy."
4th - "Take what you can get, I guess..."

Day 2
1st - Thinks of looking at beginning of Ka voters or near the end
2nd - Thinks Nogrod is uptight, analyzes Ka voters. Doesn't know about Roa, thinks Enca is suspicious because of vote placement. Slightly less suspicious of Thin. Not sure about Jenny.
3rd - Clarifies post 57.
4th - No longer suspects Thin, defends against Thin's posts again.
No vote

Day 3
1st - Suspects Enca for voting the Ka, but thinks that already suspecting her makes it easy to think she is twisting Holby's analysis. Says got caught up in RL, but would have voted for Enca yesterday
No vote.

Day 4
1st - Apologises not voting and gives no valid explanation. Says he would have voted Enca. Says he thinks Ang is innocent, or less probably a desperate wolf. Doesn't suspect Thinlómien because the votes from Enca combined with talkativeness. Doesn't suspect Gil. Suspects Jenny, Roa, Nog and Val. Supports mass revelation.
2nd - Explains the game. Warns Nog about trusting in Holby's lists.
3rd - Again does WW-maths and supports mass revelation strongly.
4th - Asks Jenny for clearance, is willing to be a martyr.
5th - Says the seer has to think carefully about coming out.

That's him today this far. One thing troubles me: PS. Work will keep me until 3:30 tommarrow, so anything I do will have to be done tonight. Where does he live? What is "tonight" for him? Does that mean that his "tonight" is over and he won't come back to vote? His voting record isn't looking very good at the moment, and one non-voting more will make it look even worse.

[Anguirel]

Actually, Thinlomien, regarding you I'm not "grumpy" at all. I'm almost certain you're innocent.

[Thinlómien]

Actually, Thinlomien, regarding you I'm not "grumpy" at all. I'm almost certain you're innocent. That's nice. But I don't know if "grumpy" was the best word at all, but I was just a bit surprised on your quick reaction on Jenny's apology and just wondered would you think the same way about my thanks.

[Anguirel]

Next time "irascible" will do just fine...

If you bunglers don't go through with the mass-revelation I will sign my last will and testament, and then I think vote for either Jenny_Hallu or more likely Valesse, explaining my reasons for so doing. But I still strongly urge you all to show some spirit and courage by discarding cloak and dagger scheming and coming out in the open.

Seer, I believe you know I'm innocent. So you at least will not be swayed by the paranoiacs who think I'm acting on false pretences. Believe me when I say I am acting, true, supremely for my own good, but with the good of you all not so behind.

All those of you with special abilities have a chance to go one better and be transmuted, like lead to gold, to heroes for the self-sacrificial love of your fellow inmates.

[JennyHallu]

Well, I'm checking in...probably won't be posting much before the deadline, actually need to work today.

Ang, it sounds like you're right, that mass revelation is a good idea. However, if the seer hasn't dreamed about you, I could see you making him/her very very paranoid. At this point, it's the seer's choice whether or not to reveal, and I can't see anything anyone says making one whit of difference.

Therefore...

I'm off to work. I'll lurk and read, and vote later, but probably won't post unless something really strikes me.

[Thinlómien]

Next time "irascible" will do just fine... I need a Finnish-English dictionary for that sophisticated words... :eek: But I promise to keep it in mind.

Eonwe is troubling me very much, in a way he is very wolfish, but in another way he seems very innocent.

And Valesse is slippery. Everyday someone voices suspicion of her and Nogrod even did an analysis on her, but she is never a serious candidate to be lynched. That troubles me as well.

And if the honourable gifteds wish to come out, it should be done soon since there are always a few early-voters and when there's so few people left their vote is very important as well as the late-voters'.

EDIT:xed with Jenny

[Thinlómien]

However, if the seer hasn't dreamed about you And why would Holby have trusted Ang so much that she gave the anvil hint, if the seers hadn't dreamed about Ang?

I trust Ang, but I don't know if I trust his revelation plan.

(Ah, and I'm filp-floppy again. I'm not particulary good at deciding things.)

[Anguirel]

So, Thinlomien, you're saying you, too, are an Ordinary Villager?

It's no coincidence that only the non-gifteds seem to be in favour of this plan so far. The privileged ones want to keep what they perceive as power...but it's shortsighted, friends, I promise you, it's shortsighted. Please look at the wider picture.

[Thinlómien]

I'm not saying anything before the gifteds reveal themselves, because if they won't do that, the wolf is left with more people to guess about who's a gifted and who's not.

[Thinlómien]

To clear up: I think we shouldn't force them to come out or lie by declaring our ordoness. It's their decision, after all, however wisely or non-wisely they behave. I don't think we're in that bad situation that we should force our gifteds to do anything.

[Nogrod]

As Jenny said it, it's up to the seer to decide.

Without the seer's revelation, there is no sense in anyone running rampant and calling her/his role out. And I wouldn't be so hasty to jump into conclusions about our self-named ordo's being all ordo's. If I would be a gifted, I would say that too in the early hours, when no decisions have been made, and come out only at the later hour, before the voting.

Meanwhile, we should see, what else we will be doing tonight. What if the seer doesn't see thre revelation as useful at all, or as yet? Then we'll have to lynch someone. And it would be much better to have some idea about it, than just wrestle over this revelation stuff, before the seer either comes to the stage, or not...

[Thinlómien]

Without the seer's revelation, there is no sense in anyone running rampant and calling her/his role out. And I wouldn't be so hasty to jump into conclusions about our self-named ordo's being all ordo's. If I would be a gifted, I would say that too in the early hours, when no decisions have been made, and come out only at the later hour, before the voting. If I was the seer, I wouldn't say "I'm an ordo" either, I'd just ignore the matter.

I think Jenny was a bit too eager to declare her ordoness, and I'd say the same about Ang if I didn't believe him innocent...

[Anguirel]

Now. I think it may be of some use to summarise the position of all of us on this plan-

Nogrod-The loudest direct opponent of mass-revelation. Went as far as to accuse me in all but name of being a wolf, on very ropey grounds. In my mind Nogrod is an innocent dupe, playing into the wolf's paws. The Seer has probably dreamed of him. It's also likely he's gifted.

Yes, if you haven't noticed, if you won't do the decent thing, I'm prepared to extract you. Yes, this will help the wolf if you don't agree to my advice. Which is rather the idea. "Rock and a hard place", indeed...


Thinlomien-hedging around on the whole issue. Won't say what she is, so the Gifteds can "wisely or unwisely" make up their own minds. But says that if they're going to come clean, they should do so quickly. Still, we've seen her quite capable of schizophrenia before. Could be Gifted or innocent.


Jenny_Hallu-was talked round and is in favour of the plan. Claims to be a villager. She may be so; equally may be the final wolf. She can't be Gifted; that would be counterproductively hypocritical.

A similar situation applies to Eonwe.


Valesse-against the plan. Also not indisposed to accuse me. Probably either Gifted or wolf.


Roa-totally silent today, ominously. Maybe dreamt of by the Seers. Maybe Gifted (which would really be sod's law). Almost definitely not a wolf.


Gil-Galad-totally silent. Hasn't opined on the plan or anything else. Unlikely to show up. I hope he's a villager, don't believe he's a wolf, fear he's Gifted, and really, really don't see why he applied to this game in the first place. Wouldn't mind double-lynching him with our favoured candidate, but am utterly against lynching him alone.


And me. Innocent, dreamt of by the seer (vide the anvil situation), boring you all stiff with talk of mass-revelation, and hoping to have some effect. Extremely keen to survive...

[Thinlómien]

Yes, if you haven't noticed, if you won't do the decent thing, I'm prepared to extract you. Yes, this will help the wolf if you don't agree to my advice. Which is rather the idea. "Rock and a hard place", indeed... It seems that Ang can make the village do as he wants to. Judged only by his posting this day, he acts very wolvishly. But I still believe he's innocent. But a manipulator-ordo, there's no question of that.


Thinlomien-hedging around on the whole issue. Won't say what she is, so the Gifteds can "wisely or unwisely" make up their own minds. But says that if they're going to come clean, they should do so quickly. Still, we've seen her quite capable of schizophrenia before. Could be Gifted or innocent. Gifteds aren't innocents? :p Thanks for the comments though. You are very able to make those who aren't fully at your side look mindless. Have you ever considered a career in politics?

(And you people aren't probably interested, but I found what's my problem: I have to comment everything though I don't have an opinion on the matter!)

EDIT: 700th post! Yippee!

[Thinlómien]

Argh. No one's online except me. And I maybe have to leave soon. I'm quite sure, I'll be able to come back, but not maybe for a long time.

If the gifteds won't reveal themselves, I'll vote Eonwe or Valesse.

[Anguirel]

Which again implies that for you to be a Gifted, you'd have to be a frightful hypocrite.

Although with the Anguirelian Inquisition in town, that might be wise...

[Thinlómien]

Which again implies that for you to be a Gifted, you'd have to be a frightful hypocrite.

Although with the Anguirelian Inquisition in town, that might be wise... What is "which"?

[Thinlómien]

It's my departure now...

Bye.

I'll be back.

I hope more people have posted when I come back.

I especially wish Roa to appear.

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright I'm here! And I've been reading evrything up till this point. (Well mostly skimming.) I agree with the mass reveal plan, but I think Nogrod is right- letthe Ranger and the Hunter stay hidden. It gives me more of a chance for survival.

That's right, I am Holby's fellow seer. Holby left that list on purpose. The poeple I know are innocent are Ang, Thin, Nogrod, and Eonwe.

That leaves:

JennyHallu
Gil-Galad
Valesse

I know who the gifted are. So whichever of you is the final wolf, don't bother pulling that trick.

[Gil-Galad]

thewolf is probably knocking off all the innocents

[Roa_Aoife]

Gil, substance please. And the wolf won't be able to kill anyone if we lynch him/her today.

[JennyHallu]

Gee, Gil, I thought the wolf was knocking off the wolves...

Me, Gil, and Valesse, huh?

Ang suspects Valesse, but I still insist I think the wolf is Gil. He's only voted once, and that with no reasoning. He continues to give no reasoning. He's been completely useless to the village. I think it's a bold strategy for a wolf, but apparently a totally successful one...

EDIT: Xposted with Roa

[Anguirel]

Wait. Hang on Roa-could you clarify...I'm a little confused...

Are you saying that Jenny, Valesse and Gil are unknowns and the Gifteds are in the list you've declared innocent?

I think you probably are, as that makes most sense.

What luck! Since you've dreamt of the Hunter and Ranger, their abilities needn't be revealed. I'd forgotten to consider that side of the overlap angle.

Well...that proves my suspicions almost entirely correct.

I propose a double-lynch including Gil-Galad and one of the others. I don't think he's a wolf, but I'd like to see him punished for his lack of effort, to be honest...

As for the other two...Jenny is the more subtle of the two solutions, Valesse the more comprehensible.

For the three hours that remain, we must debate which of these two seems more likely.

[Nogrod]

Thank's Roa!

I hope you Anguirel will once more see the reasons behind my arguments now, as the seer has being of the same opinion? (It's not any more only "the innocent dupe, playing into the wolf's paws" thinking thatwise... - and you people call me aggressive and having a bad attitude! :) )

I just couldn't see the reason, why the ranger or the hunter should reveal themselves for the wolf to: catch immediately (ranger), and to willingly avoid to the end (hunter).

But now, we have wolf-hunting to do. So let's stick to it. I surely will start it right now.

PS. I think Thinlómien is right: Ang, you are quite persuasive! It took me some strength to voice my doubts. Happily the ranger or the hunter didn't reveal themselves...

EDIT: X-posted with quite a lot of stuff...

[Nogrod]

I propose a double-lynch including Gil-Galad and one of the others. I don't think he's a wolf, but I'd like to see him punished for his lack of effort, to be honest...

As for the other two...Jenny is the more subtle of the two solutions, Valesse the more comprehensible.

For the three hours that remain, we must debate which of these two seems more likely.

That sounds pretty good to my ears. Having the moral hand in double-lynching by sayin it's a punishment. I like your rhetorics!

[Roa_Aoife]

I don't think Val would be foolish enough to bandwagon an innocent with her fellow wolf. I wouldn't be opposed to the double lynch idea though. Best case, we get a wolf. Worst case, we lynch two innocents, and we know who the last wolf is. However, if we want as many innocents to survive as possible, then I just dream of whoever we don't kill and reveal tomorrow, provided I am protected by the ranger.

If it comes to one person to kill, my vote will be for Jenny. I don't trust her. I have to go for a bit, but I should be back before voting closes.

[JennyHallu]

Well, my input here is probably, since I'm an unknown, minimally helpful.

I am going, offering no surprises or new insight whatsoever, to urge voting for Valesse. I think Gil's the Wolf, so if we have a double vote, I guess it doesn't really matter, but...well, it's my second game, and I'd like to be able to say I survived to the end.

So...in a spirit of absolute vanity, I think we should lynch Valesse and Gil.

[Nogrod]

I wouldn't be opposed to the double lynch idea though. Best case, we get a wolf. Worst case, we lynch two innocents, and we know who the last wolf is. However, if we want as many innocents to survive as possible, then I just dream of whoever we don't kill and reveal tomorrow, provided I am protected by the ranger.


I'm kind of keen on Roa's idea. Double lynch is tactics to kill the wolf with maximum efficiency, and with the minimal effort by us. One lynch is a way to save innocents and have some grace in the ending.

[Anguirel]

Apparently, Sleepy will set up the wolves in obvious ways. While his hint about Ka required some insider information, it didn't require much.

I'm sorry Jenny-lately you've been rather a stalwart ally-but I recognise this emotion. It is frustration.

[JennyHallu]

I'm afraid I can be totally innocent and still think this game seems rather weighted. I have been your ally, Ang, and I am an innocent...but I still am allowed to feel rather sorry for the wolves.

[Anguirel]

Your defence is noted. But that sentiment will still be formidable evidence for the prosecution. On which note, a joke I read this morning:

PRISONER: As God is my judge I'm not guilty.

JUDGE: He's not, I am, you are.

[Valesse]

Clarification:
Now hang on Ang, I didn't say that I believed you to be the wolf, I just was trying to express how we need to be careful incase our remaining wolf decided to seem inventive. I could have done a much better job at wording it, but seeing as the basic impression seems to have been communicated, I'll leave it alone. I might be slippery, but after all the grief I had last game without being accused until the last Day, it's quite a bit more comfortable. I don't feel like a near-invisable chicken with it's head cut off.

Curve Ball:
I'd like to mention something that might make me look a little more guilty of these crimes, because it doesn't settle well with me that you're all using it as proof:
I don't think Val would be foolish enough to bandwagon an innocent with her fellow wolf.
I voted before Enca did yesterDay, and I'm quite sure she just voted for her life. Thank you, Roa for the support. I had a feeling you were the seer since... well I voiced it in #238 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=451025&postcount=238)
Roa brought it up, and seeing as I'm not exactly wary of her I'm very keen on looking in to it

So where are we now in the game? When the wolf starts to panic? By the sudden shortening of posts, and desperation in tone it sure looks like it.

[Nogrod]

One thing to consider:

Valesse was reserved against all-out mass-revelation, Jenny supported it, little by little ever more.

Now as Roa's dreams have been really succesful (no dead-ones in them), we have the win in our hand tomorrow the latest. But it might have been worse. In that case I think refraining fron mass-revelation (leaving it to the seer to judge, whethwer the situation was good enough for her to reveal herself - as it seems to have been) is the more sensible idea, and would then talk for Valesse and against Jenny?

X-posted with Valesse

[Nogrod]

...or against Gil...

[JennyHallu]

If my accusers (except for you, Valesse, that's sheer self-preservation, and I really do think you're innocent) would take a look, it will be noticed that I advocated leaving it to the seer to decide, and leaving the matter alone.

And my posts are short, dear fellow lynch-candidate, because the phone won't stop ringing. Any desperation you feel from my posts is probably the effect of a deep rooted desire to take a hammer to the telephone.

[Anguirel]

The discussion of mass-revelation is now galling to my ears. Nogrod, must you rub in that you were insufferably right?

Retrospectively examining Day 1, I note that my supposition that there was one Ka-voting wolf and one lone wolf was apparently incorrect.

The choices are-

Either two Ka-voting wolves, Enca and Jenny

Or one on each main bandwagon, Enca for Ka and Valesse for Nogrod

I'm just about to inspect exactly how instrumental Valesse was in the case against Nogrod.

As for this snippet I identified earlier...

Apparently, Sleepy will set up the wolves in obvious ways. While his hint about Ka required some insider information, it didn't require much.

...at the time I semi-agreed with it, saying it would be bad luck on the predators if more were set up. Interestingly, I was accused of fraternising with the enemy for this statement by none other than Enca.

Hurrying to her comrade's aid? Or accusing both Jenny and I?

[JennyHallu]

Or Gil could be a wolf, Ang, in which case your lone wolf theory would still be correct.

[Valesse]

I'm just about to inspect exactly how instrumental Valesse was in the case against Nogrod.

It is rather funny how fast I went from voting for Nogrod's lynch to backing his ideas, isn't it? I was about to comment about it myself last night (IRL..in game it would have been 'this morning'), but it would have been quite a small comment and so offset from the rest of what I had said that it got editted out. I started the case against Nogrod, and kept it kicking and screaming until Holby's death. I knew that if the seers, who would have obviously dreamed for the subject of the second bandwagon felt I was wrong, then I was definitely wrong.

As I said Days ago, I'll take a the seers' word against my hunch anyDay.

As for Jenny's comment: My only notion that Gil-Galad might be the wolf is if, for some reason, no one was killed over Night. :p Since that didn't happen the only likelyhood left would be a very patient player silently sliding through the Day time. I'm more apt to trust him to be a sleepy villager than anything else, however.

[Thinlómien]

This is just a hunch, but in my opinion the remaining wolf is Gil or Valesse.

I did an analysis on Jenny yesterday, but didn't find anything wolfish in her. She might, of course, be a clever wolf.

[JennyHallu]

I'm not sure exactly how to take that. Thank you for the support...but I hope you don't mean that I'm not a clever villager.

[Thinlómien]

I'm not sure exactly how to take that. Thank you for the support...but I hope you don't mean that I'm not a clever villager. You are a medicore-brained villager or a clever wolf.

[JennyHallu]

Mediocre...what a terrible salvation...

I like to think of myself as clever. Oh well, probably good for me to have my vanity knocked down a peg or two every so often...

[Nogrod]

The discussion of mass-revelation is now galling to my ears. Nogrod, must you rub in that you were insufferably right?


Well, after your flaming rhetorics that included all possible expressions for stupid and simple idiots & dopes not thinking like you, I couldn't resist the temptation to mention it one more time... :)

But in all earnest, I think, the attitude of our candidates towards your idea is worth noting.

Here's Jenny's day with the mass-reveal -tactics:

277
As for the Gifted-reveal, I'm not sure if that's the way to go or not. I'll wait until more have chimed in to see what's going on.

280
And as for the mass reveal, it seemed to me that we have only one wolf, but three gifteds, all hidden from that wolf. This is my second game, dear Ang-with-all-the-reincarnations. My immediate assumption was that keeping them hidden was a better plan. I am willing to admit being wrong, but a single person saying so, no matter the experience, does not, in my mind, an irrefutable argument make. I cannot defend myself against you if a disagreement makes me wolvish.

284
I'm beginning (after a half-hour's drive home from work, with nothing to do but listen to the radio and think) to understand the benefits of your revelation scheme.

292
Gah! I'm so confused. Are we revealing, or not? And where's Roa?

305
Ang, it sounds like you're right, that mass revelation is a good idea. However, if the seer hasn't dreamed about you, I could see you making him/her very very paranoid. At this point, it's the seer's choice whether or not to reveal, and I can't see anything anyone says making one whit of difference.

Read it as you will. One could read there the gradual realization of the wolf for "that's MY best plan" with afterthougts (not to be seen too enthusiastic about it) or then just a lost mind wondering, what really should be the best...

I'll look at Valesse's reactions in a minute...

[Nogrod]

Well. Here is Valesse thinking about this mass-revelation:

290
This "Great Reveal" seems a little too risky to me.

Nogrod pointed out the math (post #283) but with such stylish phrases as:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ang
If you consider the situation, it will become clear to you that only a desperate and cornered werewolf would shun its advantages.

I don't blame him for the foggy post ending. I can see the advantages to this plan, but frankly I believe we should not be so hasty as to give out our roles quite yet. Lets not just take an idea and run with it... after all I remember one wolf that tricked me into playing his little game which I survived, but only just.

That isn't to say I feel that our honorable Anguriel is a wolf for forging this, but that there is still a possiblity, and we have to remember that we're offering our trust in what may just be a devious plan. Perhaps Ang did not see the math when he thought this up, but the wolf definitely has now. Its a matter of odds, and those might still be far too wide.

If it is the village's want to go through with it, and they have faith in it, I'll do my part, but as for now until I am reassured, it just doesn't seem fool-proof yet.

So a beautiful defence by a clever wolf or a reasoned "let's not hurry" from a dutiful villager brave enough to counter Ang's very aggressive rhetorics? Or was the rhetorics so strong that it would take a wolf to stand against it?

And a remainder: these both collections are from the time before Roa revealed herself! I've not considered the one's following the revelation, because everything after that is highly suspicious as an evidence...

[Anguirel]

Had Roa not been lucky and skilful with her dreaming, though, (which a wolf was not to know) mass-revelation would not have been a wolf's best plan...

[Valesse]

Okay, well I am almost out of time before class starts, so unless I act now- which for some reason feels very early- I can't post my vote. It seems like the general public wants to double lynch either Jenny or myself with Gil, so I'll be productive in my absence. I hope Jenny follows in my example and votes as I have done.

++ Gil-Galad

[Thinlómien]

Mediocre...what a terrible salvation...

I like to think of myself as clever. Oh well, probably good for me to have my vanity knocked down a peg or two every so often... If you admit that you're a wolf, I admit that you're a clever one...

EDIT: cross-posted with Valesse

[Thinlómien]

We must be very careful with this double-lynch. We must plan it so, that Gil or Jenny can't destroy the balance with his/her vote.

[JennyHallu]

As it is, I will probably accept Val's reasoning and vote Gil, but I won't vote for a while yet in case anyone has any other instructions. Please don't ask me to make a vote that will definitively spell my doom, that wouldn't be nice.

[Nogrod]

Had Roa not been lucky and skilful with her dreaming, though, (which a wolf was not to know) mass-revelation would not have been a wolf's best plan...

Well just this question was the one that took my mind over all the spare time I had today - which wasn't much.

I think seer-revelation was up to the seer, according to how well the dreams had gone. But with a poor result on the part of the seer, it would be better not to reveal our other gifteds. It should have to be seen, as the time of the vote would approach...

But anyhow. What I find disturbing right now, is the real possibility of Gil being the wolf - and playing a very lousy game indeed! I think both Valesse and Jenny could be granted the benefit of doubt - or accused as clever wolves... on the basis of these thoughts.

But Gil has posted twice today, once some seeming substance (289), another time kind of nonsense (320). And he still haven't clarified his Jenny vote, even though he promised it, as an excuse to bear with him! I find that action truly suspicious - and unfair on any standards...

X-postin with Valesse onwards

[Nogrod]

Suggestion!

Let's vote for Gil alone, if we don't have an overwhelming suspicion over either Jenny or Valesse.

If we are not sure of our vote, we may kill an innocent. So why not take Gil out as a bad sport - as suspicious as any one of the two?

So no double votes. Let's save one innocent life being killed by us? Someone will be dead next night or then not. But that life is killed by the villain, not by our own hands...

Reason: grace!

PS. We as a village win this one anyhow, why not to do it in style?

[Thinlómien]

The main question stands Jenny or Valesse?

I'd go for Valesse, but as this is a rather serious moment, I think I have to reread their posting to be able to say anything clever.

If I find anything, I inform you.

EDIT: cross-posted with the Touché-man

[Thinlómien]

Suggestion!

Let's vote for Gil alone, if we don't have an overwhelming suspicion over either Jenny or Valesse.

If we are not sure of our vote, we may kill an innocent. So why not take Gil out as a bad sport - as suspicious as any one of the two?

So no double votes. Let's save one innocent life being killed by us? Someone will be dead next night or then not. But that life is killed by the villain, not by our own hands...

Reason: grace!

PS. We as a village win this one anyhow, why not to do it in style?
If you think "style" is as many of us innocents dead as it's possible...

But your suggestion needs some thought.

[Anguirel]

No, Nogrod. I promise you that voting for Gil alone might feel terribly righteous, but it is an intellectually dead, and fatally easy, approach.

You say yourself that Gil is not behaving properly. As a result, he does not deserve proper attention. The way to solve the problem, and to teach him that his technique does not work, is to lynch him casually, in passing, as if he were not a potential murderer but a petty thief.

Single-lynching Gil would almost certainly delight the heart of the hidden wolf.

[Thinlómien]

If we are not sure of our vote, we may kill an innocent. If we are sure about our vote, we can still kill an innocent. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

The question, in other words, is: is it more important that we have clean consciences or that Gil gets a lesson?

[Thinlómien]

Or rather: does Gil deserve a lesson that might cost us more lynched innocents?

[Thinlómien]

If we lynch only Gil the vote has bigger chances to go according to our plan.

[Nogrod]

No, Nogrod. I promise you that voting for Gil alone might feel terribly righteous, but it is an intellectually dead, and fatally easy, approach.

You say yourself that Gil is not behaving properly. As a result, he does not deserve proper attention. The way to solve the problem, and to teach him that his technique does not work, is to lynch him casually, in passing, as if he were not a potential murderer but a petty thief.

Single-lynching Gil would almost certainly delight the heart of the hidden wolf.

Well. The game is to be over tomorrow, now isn't it? Roa will be safe etc... It's just from which side you do look at it.

Not bloodying our hands any more is a case in point.

So is, what you say. Although, I don't know, how casual that last butchering might be, if Gil turned out a wolf? :D

But it would feel quite bad to just lynch two, by our hope to secure our own personal necks? One of us would die honourably in the hands of a WW if we get it wrong from 1/3! But we would have done it beautifully!

And just for the chance of it, that both Valesse and Jenny might be innocents and played well - or as an recognition of one of them's good game as a wolf (against Gil's bad one)?

Well, I'm not sure, but it would seem right...

[Thinlómien]

Whatever we decide, it should be done soon. We have only half an hour.

Sleepy's texts said that people despised Gil and that Valesse was a strange woman and about Jenny not anything wolvish. But I doubt those texts are good evidence.

[Roa_Aoife]

Scenario One: Double Lynch

Best case: Lynch one wolf and one innocent, thus ending the game (Total kill: two)
Worst case: Lynch two innocents, wolf kills one person tonight, lynch wolf tomorrow, game ends. (Total Kill: 4)

Scenario two: Single Lynch

Best case: Lynch wolf, game ends (Total kill: 1)
Worst case: Lynch Innocent, wolf kills onr, seer dreams, kill wolf in the morning (Total kill : 3)

No matter what happens the wolf cannot win. We can now choose to simply win, or to win by keeping as many villagers alive as possible. I think a bigger victory would be more satisfying than teaching Gil a lesson. (Besides, it is my experience, noin WW but in life, that those types are slow learners.)

I'm with Nogrod.

++Gil

[Anguirel]

The difference between our strategies is that I'm determined that this game be over when the next narration is done. You're ready to face another night. I want to purge the final traitor of her fell spirit as soon as possible.

Her? Yes, that would be ++VALESSE.

There's an element of truth about Jenny and where she attacks, she is consistent with what I've seen of her style in her career so far. When I attacked her for her frustration, I was giving her baptism by fire. After all, I'd said something similar but a moment later.

But Valesse...her very silence, bearing in mind her articulacy, is unnerving.

Enca crossposted with her when they voted-so she did not knowingly jump to join a fellow-wolf's cause. It looked, besides, in that moment as though opinion was against Thinlomien.

She's played cautiously and carefully, she helped set up a bandwagon that might have saved the Ka thereby separating herself cunningly from Enca who indicted the Ka early, she was against the revealing even of the Seer.

This is the way I had to go, in the end. I'm only sorry it's so heavyhanded.

EDIT: Crossposted with another Gil vote...how tedious...

ANOTHER EDIT: Voted Gil by accident, thankfully it doesn't count...

[JennyHallu]

well I've got to vote now...and I'm not sure whether a single or double vote is better, but if you want a double lynch, Ang, it's still possible.

++Gil-Galad

X-posted with Ang

[Thinlómien]

I think Roa makes sense. And I think Gil will get his lesson only by reading all we have said about him on this thread.

++GIL-GALAD

EDIT: xposted with Ang and Jenny

[Thinlómien]

Ang, you're actually very convincing, but that's too late for that now, since Eonwe won't pop up.

[Nogrod]

But Valesse...her very silence, bearing in mind her articulacy, is unnerving.

Enca crossposted with her when they voted-so she did not knowingly jump to join a fellow-wolf's cause. It looked, besides, in that moment as though opinion was against Thinlomien.

She's played cautiously and carefully, she helped set up a bandwagon that might have saved the Ka thereby separating herself cunningly from Enca who indicted the Ka early, she was against the revealing even of the Seer.


Well. You should have come up with this quite compact accusation a bit earlier... I also have noted the discrepancy between silence / baseless jumping and very articulate argumentation - and it is freaky! But then again, I think she was against this all-out-revelation - albeit she did not mention the seer though... could be suspicious that too?

I could be persuaded to vote for her someday, but that day is not now. Tomorrow, Elu willing, I'll do it happily if Roa has the last word on her. She's played well anyhow, compared to Gil, and in that case earns this last day of life she will have (after the game ends, we probably just kind of vanish in to the air...).

++ Gil-Galad

[Anguirel]

Allotted is the bell-ringer to doom,
And Doom now calls us, summoned by his bell.
Night's touch, that welcomes weary traveller home,
Homeward will take one of our folk, I fear,
The home from which no journey does set forth,
While human neck in ruthless twine doth knot,
And if I do depart, recall my name-
Anguirel, he who wished to save his skin.

[Thinlómien]

I wonder if Gil's going to vote at all...

EDIT: cross-posted with Ang

[Thinlómien]

Ang, what was it about leaving rhymes for minstrels? ... ;)

Oh, for the sake of honour, you varlets, stop all this versifying. I too shall now leave it to the minstrel. Really, poetry isn't made to spread like a plague, but if it does it can be just as deadly.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Times up, everythings done. Death shall be tomorrow (my tomorrow >_>) due to unavoidable reasons. Expect it at around noon GMT.
Was he a wolf?

This should tell you-

Seer, Ranger, Hunter and Wolf... PM me with what you want done. :)

[Nogrod]

Well Ang and others.

I'll be watching over Roa this night.

(Hint for the wolf...)

X-posted with Sleepy

[Sleepy Ranger]

Night drew closer, it became obvious that Gil-Galad would die. People believed that the same thing that happened with Encaitare would happen here as well but it didn't, as they prepared to kill him they all dropped asleep. But this time they weren't asleep, they were in a state of stasis. They could see and hear it all but do nothing about it. A dark cloud had vaporated around Gil-Galad and his skin slowly began to dissolve as he shook his arms around frantically in hopes of getting rid of it, screaming like a lunatic.

The few left alive watched helplessly as Gil-Galad was left there skinless after which the cloud began to dissolve his flesh ignorant of his cries of pain. A slow and painful death later, his bones dropped to the ground shattering upon hitting the ground, sending shards into the cheeks of all who had decieded to kill him, they had been marked. "It shall be over soon..." spake the voice of their host and they knew it was true.

Alive

JennyHallu(i) - The friendly neighborhood nutcase waving a doomsday sign around
Roa_Aoife(ii) - Babysitter, the blonde, large chested one that always runs upstairs when she should be running out of the house
Nogrod(ii) - Post-Structuralist musician
Thinlomien(ii) - Sculpter specialiazing in making nightmarish birds.
Anguirel - Herald at arms
Eonwe - Gold Miner
Valesse(i) - Poultry gender analysist

Dead

Sleepy Ranger (mod) - Impaled on a cupid's arrow with his head nearly cut off.
THE Ka (werewolf) - Moreish Pavlovian Psychologist - Had her legs cut off.
Littlemanpoet (innocent) - Traveling minstrel/bard - Had an eye gouged out and his hair ripped off.
Valier (innocent) - Cruel Duchess - Had her back snapped and wept tears of blood till death.
Witch_Queen (innocent) - Homeless guy - Died due to loss of too much blood through vomitting.
Holbytlass (seer) - Governess
Encaitare (werewolf) - a scientist who specializes in analyzing small pebbles and other silly things
Naria (innocent) - Butcher
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Bell Ringer

[Sleepy Ranger]

Blood... it was the first time there was blood anywhere other than in the fountain. Yes, blood had been spilled last night. The fountain seemed to be looking longingly at it but for some reason it could have none of it. Nobody had died that night but there lay a bloody sword by the small bit of blood spilled there, somebody had definately lost a lot of blood that night but nobody seemed the least bit injured.... and very alive. The Ranger had made the save. Somewhere in the distance the same guitar could be heard along with the words, "It will be over soon." And as always, they believed.

Alive

JennyHallu(i) - The friendly neighborhood nutcase waving a doomsday sign around
Roa_Aoife(ii) - Babysitter, the blonde, large chested one that always runs upstairs when she should be running out of the house
Nogrod(ii) - Post-Structuralist musician
Thinlomien(ii) - Sculpter specialiazing in making nightmarish birds.
Anguirel - Herald at arms
Eonwe - Gold Miner
Valesse(i) - Poultry gender analysist

Dead

Sleepy Ranger (mod) - Impaled on a cupid's arrow with his head nearly cut off.
THE Ka (werewolf) - Moreish Pavlovian Psychologist - Had her legs cut off.
Littlemanpoet (innocent) - Traveling minstrel/bard - Had an eye gouged out and his hair ripped off.
Valier (innocent) - Cruel Duchess - Had her back snapped and wept tears of blood till death.
Witch_Queen (innocent) - Homeless guy - Died due to loss of too much blood through vomitting.
Holbytlass (seer) - Governess
Encaitare (werewolf) - a scientist who specializes in analyzing small pebbles and other silly things
Naria (innocent) - Butcher
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Bell Ringer

---
Let us begin what looks to be the final day, good luck.

[Roa_Aoife]

Thank you for the save Nogrod. I dreamed last night of the last wolf, Jenny. Gil was right after all, and Valesse is innocent. So, I imagine no further discussion is required.

++Jenny_Hallu

[Anguirel]

Well, well.

Should have rejected that second thought.

Surely something more finessed happened last night? Why would Jenny attack an undoubtedly protected Seer rather than a declared Ranger?

Prophetess of Doom, were you working on the off-chance that Nogrod had guarded Roa last night, your only, slim hope of victory?

Why did you declare yourself anyway, Nogrod?

Well, this is rather anticlimactic. Amusing that our gallant Gifteds have been the most enthusiatic lynchers of innocents.

++NOGROD

Caused the incredibly irritating single-lynch of Gil.

And I feel sorry for the underdog, er, underwolf.

[JennyHallu]

*wolvish grin*

Wasn't even a slim chance of victory...'twas a slim chance of drawing it out for another Night, when I could cheerfully munch on you.

Anyway, thought you would all like to know, THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!

And I, luckily, won't have to sit around and watch.

:P

As for your vote, Ang, I am in total agreement. Nogrod has simply got to go...silly man, doing his job when he ought to be helping me kill people.

++Nogrod

Knew I should have eaten him when he first got annoying.

[JennyHallu]

Oh, and I'm glad you feel sorry for me...the cards were rather stacked against my kindred and I. Taking out Holby should have been a triumph.

EDIT: No offense, Roa...

[Eonwe]

Come now, Ang. Surely you are the one being most counterporductive here.

Lets wrap this up quick and easy like, shall we?

++JennyHallu

[JennyHallu]

Grr...

Vote for Nogrod or I'll bite.

[Anguirel]

I don't suppose there's any chance you could bite me, Jenny? I'm sure we could finish off those jokers together, what with my military experience and all...

Thanks for not devouring me by the way, damosel. Very decent of you.

[Eonwe]

Indeed, Jenny, the house has stolen your money. With two seers, there was really no way for you to survive. It had to come down to this: a pool of a few to lynch systematically. The Ranger save last night only made matters worse.

However, congrats go out to you, for, though you never made it onto the 'Innocent' list, you were never very high on the 'Suspicious' list. Good job! :D

[JennyHallu]

I kept thinking about it...and then you kept going off against other people for totally reasonable and totally wrong reasons...and I decided you were more useful alive. I was sure Roa was the seer, but didn't have a chance to kill her without looking bad. I fell for Naria's bluff...(grr...gnawed her innocent little boneses) and I had this sneaking suspicion Nogrod was gifted. I really should have eaten him earlier. I wondered for a while if he was the seer, but cast it off when he backed down. If he was going to go after a wolf, he needed a better reason, but I never felt quite safe killing him.

EDIT: x with Eonwe

[JennyHallu]

Curious...who's the hunter?

[Anguirel]

Ah. Well, I hope I wasn't entirely useless. I did bag Encaitare after all. But I agree, my recent performances have been spectacular...

Actually, why need we lynch Jenny or anyone else? An oppressive culture of violence and blood has been forced on us from above.

There should always be another way. We can keep Jenny in an ironbound cage at night.

All those in favour of an agreement vote ++MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR (not a proper bolded vote because I've voted already, sadly...)

[JennyHallu]

Yes! Yes! Love Jenny! Sweetest wolf ever!

[Anguirel]

You'll have to promise to be a nice wolf, and not eat people, but I trust you'll do just fine.

It's not her fault! Be accepting! Welcome her back to society!

[JennyHallu]

I will promise not to eat people if I am kept on a daily diet of flying squirrels and red herring. And I will let people pet me. :D

[Anguirel]

I have never survived to the end victoriously before.

Now that I have done so, I feel...guilt.

Ergo there is no way to come out of Werewolf emotionally satisfied...

[JennyHallu]

I think this game should be unique in that one. Some failed experimentation with the rules, and a mod-hint (I don't think mods should give hints, but I have been assured the one Roa picked up on was unintentional. Freudian slip?) took a lot of the challenge out of finding us, I think.

Rehabilitate WolvsyHallu!

[Anguirel]

We need to stretch this...

++Nogrod

This was on the admin thread (whether intentionally or not).

What is going on? No, Sleepy, we do not need to stretch this out! Anything but that!

[JennyHallu]

I may be the doomed wolf (unless rehabilitated) but I agree...it is time for this to end.

[Anguirel]

Thinlomien's the Hunter, by the way, I'm practically certain. (My last opportunity to be wrong in some respect...)

Well, this Herald is happy to have survived, but from now on he's hanging up his sword and locking away his books of coats of arms, and will turn to what you must spotted is his obvious hobby, poetry...

[Eonwe]

Curious...who's the hunter?

That would be me...though I make a pretty sad Hunter. *whispers* I didn't send in my kill Two nights in a row.

Ang, don't take full credit for Enca. I was right behind you, only forgot to vote both nights as well. My spring break schedule, as you can imagine has been pretty hectic.

Sorry Ang... :p

[Sleepy Ranger]

This was on the admin thread (whether intentionally or not).

What is going on? No, Sleepy, we do not need to stretch this out! Anything but that!

It was meant as a joke >_>

[Anguirel]

Sorry. Allow me to hang my head...

Perfect. I was wrong about Thinlomien too...you schemer, Eonwe!

EONWE: Yep, everyone should reveal their roles.

VOICE INSIDE EONWE'S HEAD: So why aren't you revealing yours?

EONWE: Why, so that no one else will reveal it, of course...

Most cunning.

[JennyHallu]

Yeah, I didn't think Lommy was the hunter...too flip-floppy, as the hunter she'd be playing more carefully. I was 70% sure the hunter was you, Ang...but Eonwe and Valesse were my next choices. I was pretty sure Naria was the Ranger, and then when she bluffed...Gah!

[Eonwe]

Ha ha! The thing was, I didn't want to come out until the seer came out, as she had the largest pool of innocents. If I did, I would have stuck out like a sore thumb. As it was, I could only get on after Roa came out and the day ended, so I never got a chance.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Shall I just put up the end and get this over with or would you like to wait till tomorrow?

[JennyHallu]

If you put up the end now, it's a double lynch. At least wait until the rest of the innocents have checked in. Maybe someone else will support my rehabilitation!

[JennyHallu]

Unless, of course, my friends the lunchme--I mean villagers, sorry Ang...old habits--prefer otherwise.

[Anguirel]

Sleepy, I have an unusual request.

You must admit that Jenny has played a very good game under circumstances very few wolves could have coped with.

Could you please make Werewolf history by letting us really rehabilitate her?

It would lead to a fascinating end to the narrative. It's never been done before. And it's really what she deserves...

Your choice, of course.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Sleepy, I have an unusual request.

You must admit that Jenny has played a very good game under circumstances very few wolves could have coped with.

Could you please make Werewolf history by letting us really rehabilitate her?

It would lead to a fascinating end to the narrative. It's never been done before. And it's really what she deserves...

Your choice, of course.

Request denied, the ending I have planned will leave most people with their mouths wide open, a couple smirking and a couple banging their heads on their keyboards out of frustration. Thats all I shall reveal for now so as not to detract from the awesomeness of the ending

[Nogrod]

If it's closing time, and for some creepy resons you are really wishing to lynch your ranger, I guess I have a chance of self-defence?

++ Jenny

X-posted with at least Ang & Sleepy

[JennyHallu]

*sniffle* But I really want to be better...

[Nogrod]

Surely something more finessed happened last night? Why would Jenny attack an undoubtedly protected Seer rather than a declared Ranger?

Prophetess of Doom, were you working on the off-chance that Nogrod had guarded Roa last night, your only, slim hope of victory?

Why did you declare yourself anyway, Nogrod?

Well, this is rather anticlimactic. Amusing that our gallant Gifteds have been the most enthusiatic lynchers of innocents.

++NOGROD

Caused the incredibly irritating single-lynch of Gil.


The single lynch yesterday: I can't see anything wrong in saving innocent lives. If you do, then you do.

Declaring myself: getting the wolf to try Roa was our best option ensuring one more innnocent life: my declaration would seem as a suspicious trial to hide the fact that I had been guarding Roa already the night before... and so couldn't do it - and tried to ward her off from plans over Roa.

[Roa_Aoife]

++NOGROD

Caused the incredibly irritating single-lynch of Gil.

*rolls eyes* Now you're being rediculous Ang... Besides, your idea of the double lynch would've had Valesse dead, not Jenny. We still would've had to go through today.

[JennyHallu]

I was going to try Roa anyway. I was going to die today no matter what unless I could kill Roa...and frankly, your "declaration" only looked like a clumsy attempt to throw yourself in the way of the bullet of the "real" ranger...

I knew it wasn't going to work...but I was gunning for Roa last night no matter who was the ranger.

[JennyHallu]

Doesn't anyone other than Ang want a pet werewolf?

[JennyHallu]

Oh, and Roa's right...you thought the wolf was Valesse...ha-ha, fooled you! :D :cool:

[Nogrod]

I was going to try Roa anyway. I was going to die today no matter what unless I could kill Roa...and frankly, your "declaration" only looked like a clumsy attempt to throw yourself in the way of the bullet of the "real" ranger...


Well, I wasn't kind of boasting that your choice was any merit for me, for I can't know your reasons to go for Roa anyway. I Just tried to explain, why I revealed myself, as Ang seems to be so unhappy about it... :rolleyes: Well I had a reason.

But you have really played well Jenny! Being vocal and still a wolf. Great work!

PS. Although I still can't see the reason behind your Naria kill! You couldn't have believed her quite odd threat, for it made no sense (well seemed to make all the difference in the end... :) )!

EDIT: added a PS.

[JennyHallu]

What do you mean, it made no sense?

I was convinced it meant she was the ranger...she pulled a piece that showed herself with an active defensive feeling toward her fellow villagers. And I couldn't imagine why someone I knew was innocent would make a gifted-bluff.

[Nogrod]

What do you mean, it made no sense?

I was convinced it meant she was the ranger...she pulled a piece that showed herself with an active defensive feeling toward her fellow villagers. And I couldn't imagine why someone I knew was innocent would make a gifted-bluff.

Oh, I admit, that I have considered this as an innocent, looking for some really baffling behaviour,
- firstly of a suspected wolf trying something utterly clumsy,
- secondly a villager trying to save here life (from a lynch) with as clumsy way
- thirdly, as a heroic self-sacrifice of an innocent (which you declared her after murdering her...)

Then again: I think only the seer has a real reason to come forwards at any point of the game. The other two should remain very silent about their roles, unless there would be a heavy reasoning behind it. And there surely was nothing seerlike in Narias game to believe the threat.

But as I have not been a wolf yet, I can't see the subtleties of a wolf-play. And by this admit, that I might be wrong with this "made no sense" -thing...

[JennyHallu]

It was right at the end of the day, and Naria hadn't ever really been in danger of a lynch. I was trying to influence it that way, but you were the only one who really fell for it.

[Nogrod]

It was right at the end of the day, and Naria hadn't ever really been in danger of a lynch. I was trying to influence it that way, but you were the only one who really fell for it.

I really didn't fall on anything, the others were saying about her. Look at the posts and think again... :) I felt like I was a kind of local prosecutor on her from her vote for me onwards - and felt a little shamed of it. But all the time I just kept seeing new signs of wolfishness in her reactions - and she surely was my only real suspect at that time (see the posts again).

So sorry about that. Not your merit this one, as it was probably not my merit that you made the desperate trial on Roa last night...

So let's call it a draw...?

[Valesse]

And you called me 'slippery'. I'm hurt. :(

I'd be willing to send the rabid wolf to re-hab, but maybe because I'm a wee bit too vindictive and I basically know what Sleepy is going to do to us (I can get out of school tomorrow for this, can't I?) I'm going to have to help put you out to pasture, Wargle-bottoms. :D

Really now, Ang. I don't see why you wanted to kill me so much yesterday other than I was one of the accused and opposed your plan. It really did sound risky to me. Obviously it ended up... kind of working or we wouldn't be in this end-game limbo we're in now. ...Which is only a little bit awkward.

++ Jenny

[JennyHallu]

Save me! Save me! I'll be a good wolf! I'll only bite squirrels! And strangers, if Ang wants me to.

[Thinlómien]

Squirrels? No way!

++JennyHallu

[JennyHallu]

Only MEAN squirrels. Fine...if nobody loves me...

The world is going to end and you're all going to DIE!!

[Anguirel]

I did my best, for you, Jenny.

I won't let you down.

(Anguirel draws his sword and stands in front of the gallows)

Anyone who tries to hang the wolf gets...

(He is disarmed and knocked off his feet by a teeming lynch-mob horde.)

[JennyHallu]

Why does the sun go on shining
Why does the sea rush to shore
Don't they know it's the end of the world
'Cause you don't love me any more

Why do the birds go on singing
Why do the stars glow above
Don't they know it's the end of the world
It ended when I lost your love

I wake up in the morning and I wonder
Why everything's the same as it was
I can't understand, no, I can't understand
How life goes on the way it does

Why does my heart go on beating
What is with all of this fur?
Don't they know it's the end of the world
It ended when you said LYNCH 'ER!

Why does my heart go on beating
What is with all of this fur?
Don't they know it's the end of the world
It ended when you said LYNCH 'ER!

(A Skeeter Davis tune, with minor changes)

[Thinlómien]

But Jenny, you can comfort yourself with the thought that I consider you a clever wolf.

And I knew Eonwe was the hunter. (=guessed)

But I'm rather amused that Ang thought me to be the hunter... :D

[Sleepy Ranger]

The world is going to end and you're all going to DIE!!

Do you know how close to the truth you reached with that?

[Thinlómien]

Do you know how close to the truth you reached with that?
ARGH! Don't spoil our excitement! ;)

[JennyHallu]

(fingers in ears and top volume)

It's the end of the world as we know it!
It's the end of the world as we know it!
It's the end of the world as we know it!
And I've been lynched...

[Thinlómien]

Shut up wolf!!!!!!!

(;))

[JennyHallu]

I can't hear you...

Open the gate
Feel the wind
Of devastation
Of desolation
Blows like the breath of a thousand vultures
Wheeling above your head
In Nomine Patris Et Filii Et Spiritus Sancti
You know it's coming
Nothing or no-one will save you now
Forsake your life
What's the use of waiting for a salvation?
Now it's too late
Did I do everything I wanted to do?
Did I forget something I could regret?
I know the end is near
I feel cold like ice
It's as if I was already dead
I know our time has come
Open the gate
Hear toll the knell
Kneel down
Pray the lords
Did you ever think about how will be
The end of the world?
It smells like death
It smells like past
Like two thousand years
Like millions of dead men
It smells like...
The end of the world

(There, a creepy one for Sleepy...)

[Sleepy Ranger]

Time, and that wasn't really creepy Jenny but it was good none the less.

[Sleepy Ranger]

"It would be over soon." These words echoed through everyones heads but it was Sleepy's voice who said it to them not their host's and for that they were glad. JennyHallu was the final traitor, with her death Sleepy would be avenged and they would be able to leave if not, at least they would feel better knowing that they were now amongst friends. They assembled at the fountain, JennyHallu pleading to be spared, Anguirel trying his best to defend her but the survivors shook their heads. No, she would have to go and Anguriel too if he decided he would raise a weapon against them, he didn't, he moved aside.

They looked at the last wolf, she was looking back at them pleadingly. They formed a circle around her and as they did the sky began to turn dark, it went from the dark of night to complete darkness, the world was blacked out, literally. The survivors kept their circle regardless, holding their partner's hand. The end had come. Thunder and lightning came, as did rain. A light drizzle at first but it turned into a howling storm in moments.

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! Its too early to end!" This wasn't the voice of their host, no. It wasn't the voice of some raving lunatic, it was the strong voice of a leader, the voice of a king. They could here footsteps approach them and as they looked in their circle where JennyHallu was supposed to be, they realized she wasn't. The villagers turned to face the fountain and the path ahead of the fountain had been lighted by candles. Very soon, they could see four figures approaching. One in the lead and three following him. The one in the lead was tall and cloaked, that was all they could make out but they had a very good idea of who the other three were.

The figures stopped at the fountain, the cloaked man looking at them, his face concealed and behind him sure enough, THE Ka, Encaitare and JennyHallu. There was a sword at his side. "We have now arrived at the end of our paths I'm afraid." he said, sighing. "This didn't go quite as planned but thats alright, lets call everyone here first." The man clapped and the blood in the fountain began to swirl before shooting upwards and it fell forming the shapes of their dead friends, all but the three wolves.

Each of the dead looked at them with sick, twisted smiles and chanted, "YOU LET US DIE!" over and over as they began to re-enact their deaths in front of the villagers. None of the survivors noticed the man and the three wolves leave as the deaths had their attention. Before they realized it there was another clap and a bright light flashed before everything setteled down into a grey-ish scene. The villagers slowly turned away from the blood figures and saw that their foes were behind them now. The man spoke again.

"Before we proceed with the closing ceremony I would like JennyHallu to come forward." And she did, she looked at the villagers with an 'it-wasn't-my-fault' look and then turned to face the man. "Nobody likes a traitor, especially not a double." He drew his sword, she jumped back and snarled, her eyes lighting up as she began to transform. "Oh come now! Do you really mean to fight me? What are the odds, lady?" He said moving towards her. "St..STAY BACK!" she roared. He didn't. She sprang at him and he just side-stepped, swinging his sword upwards. JennyHallu seemed to freeze there in mid-air for a moment before her upper body slid off and dropped on the ground along with the lower body. There was blood now, a lot of it.

"I did not want to kill her, I did not want to kill any of you but such is life, death must come to all." The man threw back his hood as the survivors looked on in shock, it was him! It was Sleepy Ranger! He looked at each of them, a bit of dis-appointment in his eyes, either that or sorrow, it was hard to tell. "Yes, it was me. You see, each of you had something I wanted, something I needed but none of you knew of this something and if you did I doubt you'd have done what I wanted you to and if left alive you would have been a hinderance. I am sorry that I must end your lives, I love each one of you. I hope that provides some peace to all of you." He sighed and looked down, the survivors frozen with fear.

Ka and Encaitare moved forward as Sleepy looked on. Ka grabbed Valesse while Encaitare caught hold of Nogrod's head, pulling it off along with his spine which apparently didn't want to let go. Ka, meanwhile, had started to pull of Valesse's fingers. She was removing each part of her body, one at a time. And there was blood, a lot of blood. Their screams were like a slap in the face to the survivors who scattered immediatly. Some of them managed to get hold of a weapon, some just ran.

Thinlomien ran, she ran as fast as she could but Encaitare ran faster. It wasn't long before Thinlomien was caught, she tried to get Encaitare off but no luck. Encaitare bit into Thinlomien's neck and wrenched it off causing her head to fall backwards. Ka, who had just finished off with Valesse, arrived and began to do what she had done to Valesse. Encaitare headed off to where Roa_Aoife had gone.

Roa had managed to get hold of a long sword, it made her feel safer but not by much. She soon realized that Encaitare was stalking her and spun around, raising the sword but her foe was nowhere to be seen. "SHOW YOURSELF!" she screamed. She heard a growl behind her and turned, nothing. She heard a growl from behind her again, nothing. And then Encaitare sprang upon her but Roa kept her wits and the sword went right between Encaitare's eyes. She let out a yelp before sliding off the sword, well dead.

Roa_Aoife gasped softly nearly dropping to her feet when THE Ka reached her. She grabbed hold of Roa from behind, lifted her up and flung her into a nearby building. Roa went through it and hit the ground on the other side, holding her back in pain. In truth, she hurt all over but that was the only place her arm would go to. Ka came closer to Roa and snarled at her, lifting up her hand and pulling off a finger. Roa screamed and another came off. She began to kick around frantically, trying to get rid of Ka but no avail. Another finger went off, and then another. Ka grabbed her thumb and smirked, Roa's free hand was searching around near her and she was lucky, she managed to get hold of a sharp piece of glass and without a though she sent it through Ka's heart. The werewolf looked at her for a moment and then dropped to the ground next to her, returning to human form.

Roa lay there gasping, wrapping her dis-figured arm in a make-shift tourniquet. She began to get to her feet only to be shoved back down by Sleepy Ranger. "Damn you! I'm going to kill you myself and I promise it won't be pleasent." Roa shivered, she believed him. Sleepy knelt down near her and lift up her hand, he smiled at her and tightened the tourniquet till her hand was nearly crushed. He then pulled out a dagger and marked an 'x' on her fore-head. "If you move that rope near you is going to snap and that ceiling is going to come straight down on that 'X'. Goodbye Roa." Sleepy lifted up the dead Ka and left the room through another door. Five minutes passed and Roa still hadn't moved, Sleepy had bluffed but he knew she would believe him, once the panic had set in they would believe anything. Once outside Sleepy cut the rope which actually held the ceiling in place and it all came down on, x, Roa and all.

Sleepy lay Ka down on a grassy spot just outside the town. "Rest well, my love." He said, running a hand down his face. The time for a proper burial would come later, now he had to take care of two more people.

Eonwe and Anguirel had each gone opposite ways but by some twist of fate they bumped into each other. They found their way to the gate but it was locked, they looked back and saw Sleepy coming towards them, they were trapped. "I'm sorry I must do this." he said with a hard voice. Anguirel and Eonwe cowered as he approached, he stood in front of them, sword in hand. Had a bit more time passed Anguirel and Eonwe would have been dead but the gates opened, the two fell on their backs. Sleepy Ranger looked up and before him stood Saucepan Man. "Saucey...! he exclaimed with a bitterness in his voice. "Sleepy...!" he replied in the same voice. They came closer.

"Long have I waited to confront you, my old friend." Said Sleepy. "Yes, it has been too long since our last meeting." replied SPM. "We would have made such great allies but no, you were not willing to give up your love for Order." Said Sleepy bitterly. "My friend, you are a broken soul as am I. We had a choice, we chose wrong." SPM said regretfully. "We did what we had to and now we must again." Said Sleepy stepping back and raising his sword. "Aye, we must." And SPM too raised his.

Anguriel and Eonwe saw the entire exchange and then when it had come down to sword-play the two rose and fled as fast as they could. So you want to know who won? Neither, legend has it they fought on for eternity until they were consumed by their own power. But it is said that on exceptionally dark nights when the rain is hard, two men can be seen fighting on ceaselessly and no matter how far you walk, you can never get near them.

[JennyHallu]

Ok, that's um *gulp* sort of a rehabilitation.

Um...critiques on writing...

Your writing itself is very good. I'm not really a fan of gore-style horror, however. Horror is the weakest kind of fear...horror is the fear you have when you know what's going to happen and you know what is wrong. Terror is the kind of fear you have when you know what the bad thing is, but you don't necessarily know what's going to happen. That's stronger.

But dread, the strongest level of fear, is the feeling you get when you know you are being watched, when you're lying safe at home in the dark and you hear a noise, and you don't know if there's someone there or not. Just a vague feeling that things are about to go wrong...that's what scares me most.

You do well at creating a feeling of horror, and you've been improving throughout the game at terror...but I don't yet really get a feeling of dread. I think you move from dread to horror too quickly, maybe?

Suggested reading: Lost Boys by Orson Scott Card, Watchers by Dean Koontz (not the creepiest of his novels, but the most memorable)...I can't think of any more off the top of my head.



TO THE VILLAGE:

Well played, and you got me in the end. Anguirel, special kudos to you. You were a slippery customer, and we wolves wanted to kill you for days but didn't dare.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Your writing itself is very good. I'm not really a fan of gore-style horror, however.

Thanks, on another note my book doesn't really have much of either of those elements. In fact theres pretty much no gore at all.

You do well at creating a feeling of horror, and you've been improving throughout the game at terror...but I don't yet really get a feeling of dread. I think you move from dread to horror too quickly, maybe?

I write borderline horror, despite what I say my aim isn't really to totally freak the reader out. I just want to take them to the edge and then pull them back before they fall off.

Suggested reading: Lost Boys by Orson Scott Card, Watchers by Dean Koontz (not the creepiest of his novels, but the most memorable)...I can't think of any more off the top of my head.

My to read list is a bit too long to add anything at the moment. :/

[Valier]

Suggested reading: Lost Boys by Orson Scott Card, Watchers by Dean Koontz (not the creepiest of his novels, but the most memorable)...I can't think of any more off the top of my head.

Lost boys is a good one by Orson Scott Card but by far not the grossest or most horrific. Sleepy if you like horror and gore you should read Orson Scott Cards Maps in a mirror. Expecially the story called Kingsmeat, or Fatfarm. These are twisted and gross, but so well written you kinda forget the grossness of it.

Keep up the good work Mod of awesomeness!:D

[Mithalwen]

I wrote my dissertation on Guy de Maupassant's horror stories - a lesson on how to be very creepy without a drop of blood. Not good for late night reading....

[Anguirel]

Well well. The Hunter Eonwe and I shall preserve this story...very interesting the way we were punished proportionally to the innocents we hanged.

I think it's fair to say that this game had its moments of stress, but now it's over I'm very glad I took part in it. Poor little Jenny though.

Well...I've survived at last. Thanks for a fine game Sleepy, and thankyou Enca for allowing me a privilege I enjoy all too rarely...being right!

[JennyHallu]

I'm still going to hang on to my new title as the "Rehabilitated Wolf" For a while anyway...Valier, Maps in a Mirror has got to be my favorite short story collection ever. Good to find a fellow fan.

[Nogrod]

I've played two games of WWJ. One was the village of the silent, the other the village of the last-days' insanity... :)

In the end, both were good fun.

Thank's Sleepy for your mod-job. Well done indeed - albeit those couple of strange problems on the way. But you didn't let them interfere with the game too much and to distract us players. Good work by you there!

As with the storyline and writing. Thinlómien told me (thought she knew), that you are not a native English-speaker. To that end you did very well in your writing - and I kind of agree with Jenny's thoughts about you getting better all the time.

The end scene might have had some clichées in it, and partially it could be seen as somewhat bombastic. But there were nice ideas too, and knitting the "hints" to a stortyline was well done anyway - even though one kind of guessed the meaning of those red marks beforehand and so there were not a special surprise-element in it... Well done!

[Sleepy Ranger]

Well well. The Hunter Eonwe and I shall preserve this story...very interesting the way we were punished proportionally to the innocents we hanged.

I couldn't have everyone survive in the ending, it would seem wrong and killing people at random would seem wrong too. So I let you choose for yourselves.

Well...I've survived at last. Thanks for a fine game Sleepy!

My pleasure, thanks for playing.

As with the storyline and writing. Thinlómien told me (thought she knew), that you are not a native English-speaker. To that end you did very well in your writing - and I kind of agree with Jenny's thoughts about you getting better all the time.

How does Thinlo know? But oh well, not that I've ever kept it a secret and heres another bone for you to chew on, I'm fifteen, just turned fifteen a month back actually.
Thanks! ^_^

The end scene might have had some clichées in it, and partially it could be seen as somewhat bombastic. But there were nice ideas too, and knitting the "hints" to a stortyline was well done anyway - even though one kind of guessed the meaning of those red marks beforehand and so there were not a special surprise-element in it... Well done!

Well it isn't the real end, trust me the short story will have the ending done much better and it should explain ever little detail that hasn't been covered here. (ie; the motive, the planning etc.) Yea, they weren't really meant to be a surprise anyway. :/

But anyway I'm glad people enjoyed my writing! Point to be noted, this was just a teaser I actually write better than this... >_>
Well at least in my book, I'm not going to post an ad on the 'Downs but if anybody is interested feel free to PM me for details about it! ^_^

[Nogrod]

heres another bone for you to chew on, I'm fifteen, just turned fifteen a month back actually.
Thanks! ^_^


That's a nice bone. I'll chew it with pleasure!

All the best to you you, and we'll be seeing around...

[Naria]

Good game everyone!!

This game was different, but Fun!! I especially liked the part where JennyHowlu fell for my 'bluff', although I didn't think her to be a wolf at the time, it still made me laugh after I found out she was one.

Sleepy you're a pretty gross individual(all good of course) :) And I need to ask the question of, Who won?

I'm a wee bit confused here:

So you want to know who won? Neither, legend has it they fought on for eternity until they were consumed by their own power.

I'm really sure that the villagers won this one, but......


Time to give out some points!!

[Sleepy Ranger]

Neither Sleepy nor Saucepan Man won the duel... :)

[THE Ka]

What is with the fingers?

Oh well... I guess I am a Hannibal at times.

Lovely game it was with you all, even if I had to leave soon in the game... I unfortunately learned that I had yet another thesis paper upon the universal problems in human nature and it's representation in literature for English that was due soon. I hated having to miss out, but time never seems to wait when you need it to.

You all played well, and the stories' development was rather intriguing. Though, for other reasons I could say different, but it nothing but of the trivial. Overall, you are all wonderful weavers of tales.


Once again, I would like to thank you all for giving such a show, c'est beau!


~ Aesthete

[littlemanpoet]

So it was the channeler of Linduial that was the final werewolf? :eek: That's scarey! I'm sorry that I was unable to follow this game over the last day or so, so I have to back and read up.

I also am not a fan of gore horror, so I more or less skipped over the narrations to get at the lynch- and kill- info. Sorry. :(

Good game! And I'm ready to play again! My new strategy worked great! ... at least once.... :rolleyes:

[Valesse]

Great game everyone! Even that end-game limbo was rather amusing. Eat squrriels? Ghastly! Though I hear from my quite un-grandmotherly grandmother that they are rather like a red meat chicken flavor. Whatever that is.

I'll take the finger thing as a sign that I either type too much or Sleepy doesn't want me to count anymore. Either way: nice Starwars referance there at the epic never-ending battle scene. :p

Way to go team, we died at the end but we won first! Woohoo!

[Nogrod]

Well played everyone!

It was sad that LMP and Ka had to exit so early: you two seemed quite formidable players!

And Roa was just fantastic! (a deep bow)

Not to talk of Anguirel... real rhetoricien!

And after the gaming of Ang & Jenny, I think you shouldn't call me aggressive any more... :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Great game! At first this reminded me of Agatha Christie's And then there were none, but not anymore.

I still have to ask you one question, Sleepy: Why on earth did SPM appear at the end???

How does Thinlo know? But oh well, not that I've ever kept it a secret and heres another bone for you to chew on, I'm fifteen, just turned fifteen a month back actually.
Thanks! ^_^
How do I know? Don't you remember you put your location on the BD frappr map? Then I just used my flood-wits and thought English maybe wasn't your mother tongue.

And you're fifteen!? I must say, you look older. :D Now I must add you to the list of 'downers that are younger than me. (Yes, I'm having a list; isn't that interesting? I thought there were so few people younger than I am, but I discover more people all the time...)

I'll do a summary of all of you when I happen to have a bit more time.

[Thinlómien]

We had a really nice game. I hate the word nice. We had a ... marvellous game.

Sleepy - Beatiful narration (except the splatter parts...) and I appreciate the careful planning and new ideas. Good modding, especially if considered that you didn't have a backup mod.

Anguirel - You were scary, as always. :) Good logic on Enca. And you were quite, quite convincing most of the time. If you would have said "hey, let's jump into the well" I don't doubt that half of the village would have.

Nogrod - It seems that vocal and aggressive posting is just your style and you do it well. Some really good ideas and points.

THE Ka - Nice first day, not much to comment on in your play (not your fault, I know. Partly mine, even.)

Enca - Well played. Good tactics though they failed you. A nice try to make me wolvish. And that even nearly succeeded.

Jenny - I could nominate you the best player in the game - you seemed so innocent! I was rather convinced you were an ordo. You were a clever wolf. So don't bother yourself with mediocreness. ;) Though I don't appreciate that begging on the last day; you should have kept your dignity...

Roa - I trusted you right from the beginning and I was glad you survived so long - especially when I got tro know you were the another seer.

Holby - Good seering though you left me in a quite difficult place...

LMP - Apparently you were too good for the wolves... and there's nothing to add.

Eonwe - I was quite frustrated with you for a few times, but generally it was nice to play with you. As usually.

Naria - You were scary. Really. But nice game.

Valier - I apologise that I don't apologise that I let you die instead of our ranger. Nice game, although.

WQ - As absent as you were from the game, as absent you will be on this analysis.

Gil-Galad - Hang the petty thief! :eek: Seriously, I would have appreciated if you had participated more.

I'm sorry that I didn't succeed in not using "nice". I apologise.

[JennyHallu]

Hahahahaha...

I can't believe nobody suspected me...every time I read over my posts all I could see was me gloating over Ang and Roa thinking I was innocent, and yet another flip-flop on poor Lommy! I expected to be called on it every single day, but no one noticed...

I felt so deliciously evil.

[Thinlómien]

and yet another flip-flop on poor Lommy! Flip-flop? when?

[JennyHallu]

Oh, daily, pretty much...read back...you were guilty Days 1 and 3, but I thought you were probably innocent day 2...or something like that.

[Thinlómien]

I was quite empathic towards other people's flip-floppiness because I was so flip-floppy myself...

[Sleepy Ranger]

Saucepan Man appeared because Saucepan Man is awesome.
And Thinlo the Penguin Lady, I'm shocked my signature means nothing to you! :/
I mean come on its Pingu!

[Naria]

Naria - You were scary. Really. But nice game.


Thinlo, why am I so scary? It is quite funny because Formendacil thinks that I'm scary, or rather my avie, is scary too. He also gave me a rep once stating that I'm scary. What's so scary 'bout li'l ol me? I'm a very nice girl, sometimes ;) :D

[JennyHallu]

*grin* You are scary, Naria...If I weren't a wolf I would have been absolutely sure you were, or at very least gifted...

[Thinlómien]

Sleepy

And Thinlo the Penguin Lady, I'm shocked my signature means nothing to you! :/
I mean come on its Pingu!
Didn't just have time to notice...

I was actually wondering do you know Pingu there wherever faraway you live. So I was wondering if it means something else than the lovely character...

Btw, nice that you have that Obi-Wan-avvie back. It's just the best avvie you've had this far.

Naria
I can't explain why. You just are scary!

Hmm... Maybe it's because there's something (don't know what, though) in your ww-posting that I can't just understand at any level...

[Sleepy Ranger]

Obi-Wan is just temporary, he stays till the thing that shall take the Barrow-Downs by storm arrives here. After which I shall unveil an even awesomer avvie! ^_^

And yea, I do know about Pingu. Heck, I know most of everything, just ask Ka or anyone else whos talked to me anywhere off the 'Downs (ie; AIM, MSN, Real life etc.) >_>

[Thinlómien]

Obi-Wan is just temporary, he stays till the thing that shall take the Barrow-Downs by storm arrives here. After which I shall unveil an even awesomer avvie! ^_^ Even if he's temporary, he's nice. :p He seems to be your favourite temporary avatar... And when will the awesome avvie be uncloaked?

And yea, I do know about Pingu.
Now I maybe have to go and nominate your sig in the best sig-thread. *sigh* :D Not that I'm a great fan of Pingu (=didn't watch it as a kid), I still support him because he's a penguin. That's the main point. After all.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Can't give you an exact date but it will be soon, probably end of this month. And don't forget to check out the awesome thing to hit the 'Downs along with it!

Send me a PM if you want spoilers on what it is! :D

[Thinlómien]

Can't give you an exact date but it will be soon, probably end of this month. And don't forget to check out the awesome thing to hit the 'Downs along with it!

Send me a PM if you want spoilers on what it is! :D :D :rolleyes:

[THE Ka]

Can't give you an exact date but it will be soon, probably end of this month. And don't forget to check out the awesome thing to hit the 'Downs along with it!

Send me a PM if you want spoilers on what it is! :D


Ha, I can't wait my dear... I'm already getting my gladiolis and witty comments in order for it. ;)


~ MozAesthete