Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXII: Hic Monstrae Trucidant [Archive] - Page 3

Durelin

06-05-2006, 12:54 PM

The only reason I'm still alive is because the wolves like all the attention I'm drawing away from them. And so they simply need to nudge the village in the direction of lynching me to get rid of me. Which I suppose isn't going to be hard for them, is it?

As TGWBS has pointed out, everyone's been going after the loudmouths. The lynchings have all been of innocents so far. Perhaps it's about time everyone reconsidered the direction their suspicions are headed in.

Innocent:
Caran

Probably Innocent:
Cailin
lmp
morm

Possibly Innocent:
TGWBS
Lommy
Nogrod

Possibly Guilty:
Mith
Lhuna

Probably Guilty:
Celuien
Tom

Now, the votes have LMP and myself tied. But I seriously doubt he is a wolf. His post that seemed to somehow ignite a SPM bandwagon really doesn't work. It could have been well-timed, but why would he have risked drawing the attention away from Caran? And the kind of bandwagon that followed had a lot to do with only Caran's revealing of her role.

Celuien and Tom would be an interesting pair of wolves. They have, in a way, worked together, without actually working together at all. (Today they're both going after me, maybe with reason, but Tom conveniently mentions that he is uncertain about Celuien. That seems to be about the first time he's mentioned Celuien at all in a while, if he ever did.) Yesterday, before the craziness with Fea occured, Tom had voiced suspicions about all three of the top candidates for lynching yesterday: morm, myself, and TGWBS (though of course he was not quite up there with morm and myself). Celuien voices suspicions about all three as well. And who do they end up voting for? Tom for morm, Celuien for me. morm and myself end up tied. Then, Fea jumps in.

Fea's whole routine was because of RL problems and to try and get some reactions. But most importantly, I believe, was a whole other reason.

Celuien: when tomorrow comes, do me a favor if my plan suddenly becomes clear.

I'm trying to keep deaths from being wasted. Wink... Wink... Deaths, plural.

Analyze the bejeezus out of everybody that took part in this little exchange. And rip apart anybody that needs it. 'K?

Both Morm and I were tied. That's two deaths. And it's quite possible that Fea thought either one of us or both of us was/were gifted. She said time and again that if everyone thought they knew that someone was a wolf, that they should vote for them, but she wanted to avoid needless deaths. Plus she wanted out. Fea was an ordinary villager, and so, technically, did not necessarily have any clue herself, but she did find the way yesterday's voting was going to be stupid.

And then she says 'analyze the bejeezus out of everybody that took part in this little exchange.' Her actions were a good way to test people's reactions. And, obviously, anyone who quite willingly took part in voting for Fea could very well be a wolf. What would there be for a wolf to lose in such a situation? A strange cry of suicide - it could mean anything. A villager might want to vote for Fea because of the chance that she would be the Changling. But so would a wolf. And a wolf wouldn't have to worry about the chance that Fea would turn out to be just another 'ordo.' That's another down, with no mark against them.

And who was at the head of the Fea lynching? Celuien.

So my top suspects remain as stated on the list: Celuien and Tom.

Question, though: Would the wolves know that the Changling picked one of them?

the guy who be short

06-05-2006, 01:14 PM

You raise some very interesting points Durelin. One of the things that often betrays a wolf is an unwillingness to comment on an ally.

Question, though: Would the wolves know that the Changling picked one of them?Presumably, as they would lose their powers for a night.

The clincher for me is that he has voted durelin after Cailin clearly said "Oy! Youse guys! Stop voting Durelin." Perhaps he's handily ignored it.

--LHUNA

++TOM BOMBARIFFIC

Who knew retractables could be so fun? Ha. I'm sticking to that vote because I don't think I can return today. Farewell.

Edit: Sorry about not being able to finish my Lhunanalysis.

littlemanpoet

06-05-2006, 01:22 PM

Confession: I was from the get-go looking for something from Saucy to seize on so I could ride him for all he was worth. Luck would have it that he got lynched first try. Why would I do such a thing? Two possibilities: either I'm a werewolf and liked the idea of riding him, or I was going for sweet revenge for past games. I must confess the latter. :( And here I am doing an Anguirel (see a former game in which LMP was more righteous than he has been in this one).

Okay then, confession done.

If I am that much of a distraction to the rest of you ordos such that you need to lynch me in order to have a clearer look at who the werewolves really are, so be it.

I AM NOT DOING WHAT FEANOR DID.

I don't want to be lynched, but if you guys insist, I will go along with you. Votes being retractable, I think enough of you might do the right thing and see what I'm up to, and go instead for an actual werewolf.

-- Durelin

++ littlemanpoet

Just to be absolutely clear: I'll die if you want me to, but you will not have lynched a werewolf. Best of luck to you all. I may be around in the next 2:40 to see how things go...

the guy who be short

06-05-2006, 01:25 PM

Sigh.

What is it with this village and innocent suicidal maniacs?

Mithalwen

06-05-2006, 01:27 PM

Are you all out to rob me of what remains of my sanity? Now I have doubts about both my main suspects.

LMP - that was such a selfish thing to do if you are telling the truth that if it weren't for the fact things are so desperate I'd ..... well I really feel used and it coulkd so easily have got me killed. If you are a villager this is a team game.

LMP confesses and the only explanation I have for Fea is a a beilef Durelin was innocent. Aaaarrrrghhhhhhh

Now I am confused and not a little narked...

Thinlómien

06-05-2006, 01:31 PM

But if we can assume now, that we know of, or possibly should at least trust for three innocents (Caran, tgwbs, Durelin) :confused: Have I missed something? How come tgwbs and Durelin are known innocents?

LMP, if you're innocent ordo please don't do that. All the three wolves are still alive and we're soon running out of time to catch them. You're playing to the wolves' paws.

I'm anti-"lynch LMP". Wolves are the biggest threat to the village.

Durelin

06-05-2006, 01:33 PM

*smacks herself*

Well, I suppose that's a way to prove your innocence. Or a good gamble for a wolf.

You've just gone and made this all more difficult, lmp. I would think you might be covering for Tom, except that it's too early to feel that Tom is actually in danger of being lynched.

I'd say this almost garuantees your innocence. But only almost. You're certainly still at risk for being lynched, and many might assume that this gamble is too much for a wolf, and so would assume your innocence. The odds might be for letting you live, so perhaps this would be a wise move for a wolf.

But for now, I still think you're innocent.

EDIT: Cross-posted with last three people...

Mithalwen

06-05-2006, 01:34 PM

We are down to 12 ..if anyone else wants to play silly b******* can they get it out of their systems pronto?

Durelin

06-05-2006, 01:50 PM

I just realized something...

I think Cailin might be the Changling.

Of course, I suppose pursuing this idea will just mix things up even more... *sighs*

Nogrod

06-05-2006, 01:54 PM

Sigh.
What is it with this village and innocent suicidal maniacs?
Indeed! This is just nonsense - or risky wolf-tactics. The two first Days this villages runs rampant after some of its greatest assets (ok. I admit that I too felt Boro behaving somewhat oddly, but surely not so much as to lynch him) and then we have this suicidal madness!

What is it now?

Mith: don't break your nerves just yet, we have at least two-three days left to start performing better.

Lommy: read the thread...

Durelin: interesting analysis on Celuien and tom. That should probably be looked more carefully.

RL: We'll go playing with Lommy's little sister now as she mopes on the livingroom about our WW-craze (she really hates this game...). But we both will be back before the Day is at an end. On the next Day we will be living here together with Lommy. You might guess that we will be then really giving at last some time and real effort with this game - being around.

Celuien

06-05-2006, 01:55 PM

Come on, Elempi. Don't do that. I'll have to revive my psychiatry practice. :p

The clincher for me is that he has voted durelin after Cailin clearly said "Oy! Youse guys! Stop voting Durelin." Perhaps he's handily ignored it.
She did? :confused: All I saw was this notice:
You are looking in the wrong direction. Especially Mormegil.
My impression (please correct me if I'm wrong) was that Morm has suspected you more than anyone else. When I had an anaylsis that suggested your innocence yesterday, he quickly disagreed with me. He has a vote for Elempi today, but Cailin also voted for him, so I don't think her warning applied to him.

Mithalwen

06-05-2006, 02:18 PM

Seeing as I haven't got my head round the shenanigans regarding Durelin and LMP, and haven't much time left, I am seriously considering Tom. I find analysis of others posts is often used as a cover by a flying under the radar wolf and see from my notes that I thought one of Fin or Tom might well be a wolf. Since Fin is dead....

Mithalwen

06-05-2006, 02:39 PM

OK .... this is it.... I am a bit peeved about LMP stunt but ther is always tomorrow if he is messing us.

Cailin rings true to me, the hope she is th changeling and knows and that Fea's hunch was right inclines me to give Durelin the benefit of the doubt . Also, Durelin's standing out agains the Fea vote stands in her favour, as does in a weird way her suspicion of me. I know I am innocent but I apprecaite that another innocent couldn't be certain. CeErtainty is the mark of a gifted or a wolf. Which means I will continue to observe LMP.

But I will vote for a person who has rung bells in a vague way since day one and has gone very quiet. I might be wrong .... but for once in this game I am going to stick with my instinct .

++Tom Bombariffic

Durelin

06-05-2006, 02:45 PM

I guess I'd best vote now, as well. I do wish I could have heard from more people before doing this, though.

++Tom Bombariffic

My final vote unless someone speaks up.

lmp may yet be lynched. I don't like this...

littlemanpoet

06-05-2006, 02:47 PM

I just realized something...

I think Cailin might be the Changling.

Of course, I suppose pursuing this idea will just mix things up even more... *sighs*
Well hello. Yes, since Cailin can't come right out and say it, she can do the next best thing and state what she is absolutely certain of, and hope we get it.

So what we can tell so far from that mysterious post is this:

Mormegil is innocent
Durelin is probably innocent, since she didn't name her.

Cailin suspects me but doesn't know for sure.

I think I know who the seer is, and will base the rest of my toDay analysis on these twin theories.

Don't lynch me unless you think I'm a werewolf. Lynch me if you think I'm a werewolf, but when I'm gone you better hope things have become crystal clear for the rest of you ordos.

littlemanpoet

06-05-2006, 02:51 PM

sorry for the potential double post...

LMP - that was such a selfish thing to do if you are telling the truth that if it weren't for the fact things are so desperate I'd ..... well I really feel used and it coulkd so easily have got me killed. If you are a villager this is a team game.I didn't trust him. Look at it this way: I relieved the seer of having to waste a dream on somebody who HAD to be dealt with one way or another in that he is always so dominant. This was one way, and YOU DID choose to follow some good reasoning, Mithalwen, so you bear as much blame as I in Saucy's lynching. ;)

Celuien

06-05-2006, 02:55 PM

lmp => Durelin (Durelin 1)
Celuien => Durelin (Durelin 2)
mormegil => lmp (Durelin 2, lmp 1)
Lhuna => tgwbs (Durelin 2, lmp 1, tgwbs 1)
tgwbs => Lhuna (Durelin 2, lmp 1, tgwbs 1, Lhuna 1)
tgwbs ≠> Lhuna => Celuien (Durelin 2, lmp 1, tgwbs 1, Celuien 1)
Cailín => lmp (Durelin 2, lmp 2, tgwbs 1, Celuien 1)
tgwbs ≠> Celuien => Lhuna (Durelin 2, lmp 2, tgwbs 1, Lhuna 1)
Tom => Durelin (Durelin 3, lmp 2, tgwbs 1, Lhuna 1)
Caran => lmp (Durelin 3, lmp 3, tgwbs 1, Lhuna 1)
tgwbs ≠> Lhuna => tom (Durelin 3, lmp 3, tgwbs 1, Tom 1)
lmp ≠> Durelin => lmp (Durelin 2, lmp 4, tgwbs 1, Tom 1)
Mith => Tom (Durelin 2, lmp 4, tgwbs 1, Tom 2)
Durelin => Tom (Durelin 2, lmp 4, tgwbs 1, Tom 3)

I really don't want lmp lynched today. So I'll change my vote to try and stop the madness. :mad:

-- Durelin
++ TOM

Which brings us to:

Celuien ≠> Durelin => Tom (Durelin 1, lmp 4, tgwbs 1, Tom 4)

Sigh. I hope those of you who think Cailin meant Durelin as well as TGWBS are right.

Thinlómien

06-05-2006, 03:07 PM

I really don't want lmp lynched today.Me neither.

++tom bombarriffic

Besides he is suspicious. Or he has suspicious air. This is mostly a gut feeling, but I feel he might be a wolf. Let's hope so.

littlemanpoet

06-05-2006, 03:13 PM

I'm not going to say who I think the seer is, but if I'm right, Saucy was dreamt on Night One. (darn it) On Night Two I was dreamt and found to be innocent. Guy was dreamt Night Three and found to be innocent. I'm really getting more certain of this the more I read, based on context. Mormegil was dreamt on Night Four, and found to be innocent.

I am not going to out who I believe to be the seer.

Add to the above Cailin's claims as the assumed Changeling, that Mormegil, Guy & Durelin are innocent, and that she doesn't know about, but suspects me.

Based on this theory:

known innocents
Caranlondien
Durelin
Guy
Mormegil
littlemanpoet
Cailín

unknown (so far)
Mithalwen
Celuien
Lhuna
Nogrod
Lommy
tom

littlemanpoet

06-05-2006, 03:16 PM

Good moves, people.

-- littlemanpoet

++ tom bombariffic

littlemanpoet

06-05-2006, 03:24 PM

Correction to my last post of who I think was dreamt:

Night One: Saucy
Night Two: littlemanpoet
Night Three: Mithalwen (I think)
Night Four: Mormegil
Night Five: Nogrod (I think)

Just the way it looks to me.

Nogrod

06-05-2006, 03:27 PM

Well hello. Yes, since Cailin can't come right out and say it, she can do the next best thing and state what she is absolutely certain of, and hope we get it.

So what we can tell so far from that mysterious post is this:

Mormegil is innocent
Durelin is probably innocent, since she didn't name her.

Cailin suspects me but doesn't know for sure.

I tried to keep this a bit more subdued, but as you come forwards with it lmp, then let's see the possible implications once more.

She says we are looking at the wrong direction, especially Morm does. Many of us had suspected mainly tgwbs and Durelin - so had Morm, maybe most vocally. But Morm had also suspected lmp - along with one or two others. Then Cailín goes on to say that we should do what we wish with her info. Then she voted for lmp, clearly showing that she was not sure about her vote, but that it was an innocents / Changelings suspicion only. I can't see her freeing Morm as she points out that he especially is looking at the wrong direction, but on other bases I'm looking at Morm as innocent right now.

So what I gather from her post is:
- tgwbs is innocent
- Durelin (most probably, as most of us, and Morm too were suspecting her) is innocent
- She suspects lmp, but doesn't know it.
- She doesn't say anything about Morm, but that he especially is looking at the wrong direction (looking at the direction most of us seemed to be looking by the time).

EDIT: X-posted with lmp

Durelin

06-05-2006, 03:32 PM

This is an interesting turn of events. At least lmp will not be lynched. I do hope we won't regret all this...

Caranlondien

06-05-2006, 03:34 PM

I made it back! I do have to admit that lmp is looking less guilty, and I suppose Tom is worth going after, as we don't really know much about him. I'm slightly wary of lynching him, but I see where people are coming from.

Caranlondien

06-05-2006, 03:48 PM

lmp => Durelin (Durelin 1)
Celuien => Durelin (Durelin 2)
mormegil => lmp (Durelin 2, lmp 1)
Lhuna => tgwbs (Durelin 2, lmp 1, tgwbs 1)
tgwbs => Lhuna (Durelin 2, lmp 1, tgwbs 1, Lhuna 1)
tgwbs ≠> Lhuna => Celuien (Durelin 2, lmp 1, tgwbs 1, Celuien 1)
Cailín => lmp (Durelin 2, lmp 2, tgwbs 1, Celuien 1)
tgwbs ≠> Celuien => Lhuna (Durelin 2, lmp 2, tgwbs 1, Lhuna 1)
Tom => Durelin (Durelin 3, lmp 2, tgwbs 1, Lhuna 1)
Caran => lmp (Durelin 3, lmp 3, tgwbs 1, Lhuna 1)
tgwbs ≠> Lhuna => tom (Durelin 3, lmp 3, tgwbs 1, Tom 1)
lmp ≠> Durelin => lmp (Durelin 2, lmp 4, tgwbs 1, Tom 1)
Mith => Tom (Durelin 2, lmp 4, tgwbs 1, Tom 2)
Durelin => Tom (Durelin 2, lmp 4, tgwbs 1, Tom 3)
Celuien ≠> Durelin => Tom (Durelin 1, lmp 4, tgwbs 1, Tom 4)
Lommy => Tom (Durelin 1, lmp 4, tgwbs 1, Tom 5)
lmp ≠> lmp => Tom (Durelin 1, lmp 3, tgwbs 1, Tom 6)

Nogrod, have you voted? I suppose it hardly matters right now. :rolleyes: Tom, I hope you're a wolf...

Nogrod

06-05-2006, 03:59 PM

As it seems that we're about to lynch tom, I guess my vote will have no effect (6-3 if I counted it right). I admit tom has been quite an enigma: posting very reasonable posts, but been notably uncommitting in them. That's as good as any suspicion at the moment. And surely after Cailín's post at least my scriptures went upside down anyhow. So I have no real clues now. Tom seems a good choice, but I'm not totally persuaded with the reasons, wich seem quite slight. Still the feel with him is not the comfortable one - though I didn't see tgwbs either as sitting right with me and still he seemes to be innocent...

So taking my part and parcel of the responsibility (and fearing the worst) of all this...

++ tom bombariffic

Kath

06-05-2006, 04:00 PM

Day 4 has now ended. Please stop talking.

tom's death with be up shortly.

Kath

06-05-2006, 04:26 PM

Standing in the middle of a crowd of almost united villagers, tom bombariffic knew fear. He had seen what a crowd mentality could do, and wasn’t looking forward to the fury and determination of that many people being directed solely at him. Backing away he found himself up against the wall of his house. The throng of people moved into a circle around him, cutting off any escape.

Pulling weapons from their pockets the villagers advanced on him, but the sound of hooves thudding in the distance made them stop in their tracks. Turning slightly they kept one eye on tom while trying to locate the source of the noise. It soon became apparent that a stag was headed toward the village, moving so fast its legs seemed just a blur.

“Looks like his favourite animal has come to help us kill him itself.” Commented one villager, and they opened up to let it through.

But the stag didn’t head for tom. As it neared the villagers it changed direction, and veered into the closest group of people. Screaming they scattered, unharmed as the stag had been moving too fast to control itself, but terrified and confused.

“What’s going on! Why is it attacking us?”

“I’ll tell you why.” Called someone, the voice muffled by the ground it had just fallen on. “tom’s a wolf!”

Those not being charged by the stag turned to tom, and saw the final stages of his transformation. His body lengthened, and hair began to sprout all over him. Snarling he shook his head as his teeth extended further from his mouth, and fixed his yellow eyes on the villagers before him. Shocked that they had finally found one of the beasts plaguing them, the villagers were unsure how to react. They were being attacked on two fronts, and didn’t know which to try and counter first.

Taking charge, lmp stormed forward.

“Hey tom! I’m the one who got you lynched, kill me!”

“Yeah, kill him!” Called TGWBS, for once glad of lmp’s suicidal tendencies.

tomwolf glared around him and headed for lmp, intent on ripping him to shreds. Behind them a mini-battle raged. The other villagers had wounded the stag and it was slowing down, but this had only made it angrier. Panting it wheeled around for another run at them. At the same moment tomwolf leapt at lmp, who threw himself aside.

Above him, the two beasts clashed. The stag’s antlers pierced tomwolf’s chest, going right through flesh and breaking bone, as his claws tore into the flanks of the stag. The creatures crashed to the ground, narrowly missing several villagers, and both struggled for a few moments to get free. Neither succeeded, they were too entangled with each other, and eventually, the two bodies fell still. The village had lynched their first werewolf.

Dead:
Night 1 ~ Kath, killed by a turtle in an aerial attack ~ Innocent.
Day 1 ~ Boromir, lynched by the villagers by means of lions ~ Innocent.
Night 2 ~ Formendacil, killed by a coyote and it's trickery ~ Innocent.
Day 2 ~ Saucepan Man, lynched by the villagers by means of a platypus catapault ~ Innocent.
Day 2 ~ Nilpaurion Felagund, killed by an emerging alter-ego ~ Innocent.
Night 3 ~ dancing spawn of ungoliant ~ Innocent.
Day 3 ~ Feanor of the Peredhil, killed by a chat skwerl ~ Innocent.
Night 4 ~ Findëasëa ~ Innocent
Day 4 ~ tom bombariffic ~ Werewolf

Living:
Lhuna - traveller with absolutely no sense of direction
Cailín - tragedienne
Celuien - ketchup grower
TGWBS - Pokémaster
Lommy - AA-adviser
Nogrod - owner of ME's first hamburger restaurant
lmp - gravedigger
Caran - town poet
Mith - aura consultant
morm - butcher
Durelin - ninja

Night 5 has now begun.
Wolves, Seer, Ranger, Hunter and Changeling please PM me your choices.

Kath

06-06-2006, 04:00 PM

The two remaining wolves left their houses in their nightly guise. Conferring together for a few moments they came to an agreement and made their way stealthily across the village toward their intended victim.

Reaching the house, however, they found their way barred by a figure dressed in black and wearing a hood to hide its features.

“You cannot take this villager tonight. They are protected.”

Snarling the wolves made to move past the figure, who was holding no weapons and seemed to have no way of stopping them. Yet as they pushed forward they found themselves unable to cross its path. Looking down they saw a line of what looked like dust before them that surrounded the entire house. Try as they might they could not get through it, or even smudge the line. This was old magic, older than that which had transformed humans into wolves, and no one now living in Middle Earth could break it.

Angry the wolves turned back to the figure.

“You have robbed us of our kill, Ranger.” They spat. “You will be next.”

They turned and slid away in the darkness, leaving the Ranger to stand guard for the rest of the Night. When dawn came the figure quietly returned home, and then joined the others for the morning villager-count, pretending to be as surprised as all the others when no one was found to be missing, or laid out in pieces before them.

Dead:
Night 1 ~ Kath, killed by a turtle in an aerial attack ~ Innocent.
Day 1 ~ Boromir, lynched by the villagers by means of lions ~ Innocent.
Night 2 ~ Formendacil, killed by a coyote and it's trickery ~ Innocent.
Day 2 ~ Saucepan Man, lynched by the villagers by means of a platypus catapault ~ Innocent.
Day 2 ~ Nilpaurion Felagund, killed by an emerging alter-ego ~ Innocent.
Night 3 ~ dancing spawn of ungoliant, killed by a head-crushing horse ~ Innocent.
Day 3 ~ Feanor of the Peredhil, killed by a chat skwerl ~ Innocent.
Night 4 ~ Findëasëa ~ Innocent
Day 4 ~ tom bombariffic, killed by a stag ~ Werewolf
Night 5 ~ No kill.

(Also, spawn's death is, finally, up.)

Living:
Lhuna - traveller with absolutely no sense of direction
Cailín - tragedienne
Celuien - ketchup grower
TGWBS - Pokémaster
Lommy - AA-adviser
Nogrod - owner of ME's first hamburger restaurant
lmp - gravedigger
Caran - town poet
Mith - aura consultant
morm - butcher
Durelin - ninja

Day 5 has now begun. Werewolves stop PMing, villagers start talking.

Caranlondien

06-06-2006, 04:14 PM

Well done, Ranger! The tides seem to have turned for us villagers - between lynching a wolf yesterDay and preventing the kill last Night, we're doing, well, much better than we've been doing so far.

Really, I can't believe I'm still alive :D

Now, I must go back over some posts to form a suspect list...

mormegil

06-06-2006, 04:33 PM

I believe this is correct but I'm doing it from memory from last night. I think we can glean some information from this list. If I am wrong it may be LMP but I'm not certain.

Mentioned seldom if ever by Tom

Lhuna
Cailin
Celuien
Nogrod
LMP
Mith

Mentioned Frequently by Tom
TGWBS
Lommy
Caran
Morm
Durelin

Tom seems the type that would mention very little of his fellows. That raises my suspicion of everybody on the first list substantially as I remember very little of them in Tom's posts. Conversely my suspicion of the second list has lowered and the Durelin piece from yesterday, sorry but I wasn't around real time, seems to ring true and I find her innocent now. As much as I hate to admit it I believe TGWBS innocent as well. A side note I believe Cailin is the changling as well and thought so yesterday but didn't vocalize it.

Perhaps the time is not yet ripe but with our ranger protection last night we may know a number of innocents. I think our seer needs to contemplate revealing how much he/she knows. Then the ranger maybe able to step forward if the information he/she possess is likely to help. If it is done in this manner we don't expose the ranger if not necessary.

Caranlondien

06-06-2006, 04:52 PM

mormegil

06-06-2006, 04:55 PM

I made the same lists, morm, but actually I thought it quite likely that Tom mentioned one if not both of his cohorts. Perhaps what would be more helpful (though more time consuming) would be to look at the context in which he mentioned or ignored people - for instance, were all his suspects already under suspicion when he mentioned them?

As for your suggestion about the Seer and the Ranger, we'll just have to leave that up to them, but it's a definitely a possible course of action.

I came to my conclusion Caran because he mentioned me frequently and you. These are two known innocents in my mind and therefore the pattern ran true. His behavior was such that he would see something and go after it a bit gingerly so as to not stick out too much. There was something else too but I can't remember currently and don't have time to look. I think it's advisable for everybody to go back and read every post that Tom wrote, there are only 12.

Thinlómien

06-06-2006, 04:56 PM

...except Lhuna and Noggie who are wolves and will be lynched.

Yes, I'm the seer, if you didn't get that yet.

For selfish reasons I suggest we lynch Noggie first - then he can concentrate better to co-modding the junior-game with me.

++Nogrod

For all who are interested:

My dreams
Night 1 - Celuien
I thought it'd be strange if she wasn't a wolf this time - as far as I know she has never been one.
Night 2 - SPM
His behaviour freaked me out on Day1.
Night 3 - LMP
His behaviour and insubstanciality (sp?) worried me too.
Night 4 - Nogrod
I was so worried with the possibility that he was a wolf 'cos all the village trusted him, so I decided to check it.
Night 5 - Lhuna
Well, reading through her, Nogrod's, tom's and morm's & Mith's (my remaining suspects alongside with Lhuna) posts it became quite evident she was the last wolf unknown to me.

Big thanks to Cailín for yesterday. You enabled me cathcing Lhuna.

An apology to morm from a rather fierce attack on him. I never even dreamed of you... :rolleyes:

Celuien

06-06-2006, 05:06 PM

Hurray for Lommy and her brillant Seer's gift!

++ NOGROD

And you're right. I've never been a wolf. I'm destined to be innocent to the end. :D

Caranlondien

06-06-2006, 05:08 PM

Wow... :eek: :D

++Nogrod

Thank you, Lommy, for your excellent Seer-ing.

littlemanpoet

06-06-2006, 05:15 PM

Well, Celuien is not the seer after all. I was wrong about that.

I'm not a werewolf; Mormegil, you're clearly now wrong about that.

Well done, Lommy. Excellent job of hiding and seering!

++ NOGROD

Celuien

06-06-2006, 05:35 PM

Well, Celuien is not the seer after all. I was wrong about that.
I thought that's where you were going when I reviewed the thread. I was pretty in the open as a potential Seer after that list of yours. I wasn't sure I'd wake up alive. :p

But I'm always game to be innocent ordo wolf bait to keep gifteds safe.

Nogrod

06-06-2006, 05:46 PM

C'mon! The wolves are getting jumpy - and seemingly desperate. Who knows why? Being utmost scared - for no reason? Funny. The village is full of experienced and "cool" players and the wolves seem to be the jumpiest of us all. But as the things call it, I will have to come forwards with the little I know.

So I think the wolves messed up toNight and losing tom was just too much (not perhaps Lommy, but her evil friend who's dictating all this).

Sorry 'bout this, but Lommy is fooling you. I know it.

I knew from the first Day onwards that Spm was innocent. On Night2 I checked at Cailín who seemed to be too innocent - and she proved to be one. On Night3 I went after Morm and as you may see from my posts: over that idea I tried to ease up with my initial suspicions on him - not being too vocal about it as I had my role to cover up. I checked tgwbs on Night4 as I really suspected him along the other village. Well Cailín did her job for me that Night and that dream was somewhat wasted...

I called for possible co-operation between the Seer and the changeling from the beginning, and here we go, double-dreaming...

Last night I was worried about Celuien as she seemed so innocent to me. Well I found her innocent too. You see, I'm a bit romantic: beneath the rationalization I will like to see those who just "sit right" with me. She was a bit too quiet and non-participiant.

So the innocents on the game now (by myself and Cailín)
Cailín - the Changeling or an ordo playing a wicked game, Kath didn't reveal her status but said she was "innocent"
Morm - checked innocent.
tgwbs - innocent, that was a relief as I was ready to go after him...
Celuien - I was so worried about myself bing so trustful of her.

I seem to have been as baffled as you other villagers. Tom was taken with a wild guess and a case that could have been built up on anyone. We really have been and are quite at loss. I hope you will not kill me so that I can make another dream.

Remember: the wolves like to lead us astray. They already have done that...

Thinlómien

06-06-2006, 05:56 PM

Celuien

06-06-2006, 06:13 PM

Quiet and non-participant. Haha, Wolfgrod.

User Name....................Posts
Caranlondien.................64
Mithalwen......................57
Celuien..........................52
Nogrod..........................46
the guy who be short....46
The numbers speak for themselves. :smokin:

Nogrod

06-06-2006, 06:22 PM

Oh, Nogrod, too proud to give up? :p

But really. Let's lynch him so that you all can believe me if you already don't. Or if you don't want to lynch your "seer", let's lynch his wolvish companion, Lhuna. Then you'll see I'm the one who speaks the truth. Or if we have time, lynch me. Then you see I'm the seer.

See, I'm the one naming some lynchees, he just echoes known things. :rolleyes:

And he's flip-floppy:
Clearly you can't even decide the reason why you "dreamed" of Celuien... :p

Well, Celuien looked so white that I just had to check her. She would have made a terribly efficient wolf as no one really suspected her. A wolf might come up with the all powerful knowledge of those who are innoncents or not - we villagers, even gifteds - can't do it. We have no idea about the whole of the village, just from the part we have dreamed. So we are on the mercy of a good luck or hunches, the wolves know their trade...

I guess Lhuna will be a wolf. Lommy seems to know it... Just to gain believability she's ready to sacrifice her mate - whom she knows will not be available until later on the Day. So not even needing to face her eye for an eye.

And on the same time I'm quite proud of my daughter. You are really wicked! It's not certain which one of us is hanging on the poles this evening, but I hope your wolvish scheaming gets the result it deservers..

Durelin

06-06-2006, 06:25 PM

Wow...I'm really quite surprised that I was not killed last night.

Foolish to go after Caran. Did they really think the Ranger would just skip a night before the Seer showed themselves?

And it seems they have...

I seem to have been as baffled as you other villagers. Tom was taken with a wild guess and a case that could have been built up on anyone.

Pfft... Okay, that decides it.

++Nogrod

Though it might be safer to lynch Lhuna.

What can I say...I don't trust people normally, and especially not when werewolves are about... :rolleyes: :p

Thinlómien

06-06-2006, 06:28 PM

I guess Lhuna will be a wolf. Lommy seems to know it... Just to gain believability she's ready to sacrifice her mate - whom she knows will not be available until later on the Day. So not even needing to face her eye for an eye. Great that you see your own cowardice. Don't have to see her eye for an eye indeed... :p

Seriously, if there's even one villagers who belives Nogrod over me, let's lynch me. Then I will be proven the seer and Nogrod has no way of swaying anyone.

And ask if Nogrod's ready to do that for the village... :p (Speaking of proposing himself to be lynched, o'course...)

Now I'm leaving Wolfgrod to say the last word for the RL night and go to sleep. I doubt he will come up with anything convincing. If he does, keep in mind you can always lynch me and we innocents still win. It's 3:27 AM here. Fortunately it's the summer holiday... :cool:

edit: xed with Durelin

mormegil

06-06-2006, 06:37 PM

Well, glad to see my 'seer come forward' request wasn't viewed as suspicious :rolleyes: .

Nogrod, sorry lad but the attempt while 'valiant' is laughable.

++Nogrod.

mormegil

06-06-2006, 06:56 PM

Perhaps we can make an exception to the double lynch rule?

Nogrod

06-06-2006, 07:00 PM

Well, glad to see my 'seer come forward' request wasn't viewed as suspicious :rolleyes: .

Nogrod, sorry lad but the attempt while 'valiant' is laughable.

++Nogrod.
Well you call for your own doom here. I see Lommy has made her way and made you believe her. Regrettably I'm your seer and you can then lynch Lommy tomorrow - and then Lhuna. We win in the end...

Durelin

06-06-2006, 07:01 PM

Happily I'm not a gifted

Then what was such a big deal? :p

mormegil

06-06-2006, 07:02 PM

Well you call for your own doom here. I see Lommy has made her way and made you believe her. Happily I'm not a gifted and you can lynch Lommy tomorrow - and then Lhuna. We win in the end...

Okay then I believe you...*sarcasm abounding*...will the 'REAL' seer please step forward and set the record straight so we don't kill this good innocent man who is so deserving of life. My you seem awfully hairy today, even for a scandinavian :p

Celuien

06-06-2006, 07:03 PM

Happily I'm not a gifted
Of course you're not a gifted. :p

Oh, and what happened to that Seer claim of yours?

EDIT: Crossed with Morm, Durelin and an apparent edit by Wolfgrod. It seems that the Seer claim is back...

mormegil

06-06-2006, 07:06 PM

Lommy, it's nice to know that you are something. It's odd I often see giftedness as suspicious because you were acting a bit differently there for a while. Well done and I praise you on your efficiency at the end, though baffled that you didn't dream of me.

mormegil

06-06-2006, 07:07 PM

Only a wolf would edit a post like that. I saw it and call foul!

Durelin

06-06-2006, 07:09 PM

Go down with some dignity left, Noggy... ;)

Celuien

06-06-2006, 07:10 PM

Only a wolf would edit a post like that. I saw it and call foul!
Naturally. What realy gifted forgets about being gifted and then remembers to do an edit to cover up the mistake? Wolf! Tricksy, false.

mormegil

06-06-2006, 07:11 PM

I was correct in my list and assessment of how Tom would handle his fellow wolves. That's reassuring.

Incidentally, we still have a butcher in town. Anybody up for a BBQ tonight? I think some Nogrod-Kabobs sound mighty tasty. I think I could get the carcass cut up fairly quickly.

Celuien

06-06-2006, 07:14 PM

A barbeque would be delightful. I'll bring the official ketchup. But I don't know if Nogrod-meat would sit well in my stomach. I'll have to bring some specially prepared chicken-kebabs for myself. ;)

Nogrod

06-06-2006, 07:48 PM

Okay then I believe you...*sarcasm abounding*...will the 'REAL' seer please step forward and set the record straight so we don't kill this good innocent man who is so deserving of life. My you seem awfully hairy today, even for a scandinavian
You just check my record. I've put it plain to see from Day1 forwards. You still need a third seer Morm? :rolleyes: Sorry, we Scandinavians are sometimes hairy, but our hair is light and golden yellow, not the dark hue you others possess... : :)

The thing Lommy was right about was the time it is here right now and I will be getting to sleep also.

You will decide as you do. To this day you have killed Boromir, Saucie and Fea. Sorry to sound bitter, but you get what you order. It was looking good for a while last Day and the Night, but seemingly you are going to lynch another posible asset now. I have a game to mod and will be concentrating on it, so maybe its better I do have no tasks with you any more... 'tis only a game - and if you betray me, well then why on earth would I like to play with you - or help you? Remember if and when Lommy is a wolf she knows perfectly well who the wolves / innocents are and she will be easily dropping the names. Sorry I can't give you a wolf, but I have mismanaged my dreams... The wolves have no trouble with that.

The barbeque subject... To whom do you think you can supply your ketchup after you kill me Celuien? :)

PS. Yes I'm sorry and can't say I have been a worthy Seer. I have actually been so bad as to try and deny my position in the village. The roles get mixed up during the game. With a role one has to think too much - and as I have had no time to concentrate (Lommy looking over my shoulder all the time) on the questions pertaining the village, I have been of little help. Sorry about that...

Well, your choice.

Farewell people. Hope you have some better ideas before the Day closes.

Celuien: where will you be selling your ketschup now?

Celuien

06-06-2006, 07:54 PM

Celuien: where will you be selling your ketschup now?
Well, Mormy and I could go into the BBQ business together. :p :D

Celuien

06-06-2006, 07:56 PM

BBQ with the secret ingredient of some nice ketchup in the sauce. BBQ with ketchup and fries. Fries and ketchup. Ketchup and ketchup. Ketchup, ketchup, ketchup, ketchup, fries and ketchup. Fries, BBQ, ketchup, ketchup, fries, BBQ and ketchup...

Caranlondien

06-06-2006, 08:00 PM

Foolish to go after Caran. Did they really think the Ranger would just skip a night before the Seer showed themselves?
Are you the Ranger, then?

I almost hunted you last Night! The Day I came out as being the Hunter, before I did I had used an arrow icon as an attempt at a hint. I noticed that the next Day you used the same icon twice, but never used icons before that, and I thought it was either a wolvish attempt to set themself up as the "real" Hunter or a hint that you were the Ranger - was it a hint, or was I making up my own elaborate plot? :D

Thinlómien

06-06-2006, 08:10 PM

Give up, Nogrod, you're pitiable.

Sorry, we Scandinavians are sometimes hairy, but our hair is light and golden yellow, not the dark hue you others possess...A lie again. :p Your hair is not golden yellow - it's light brown and far from golden. And my hair, for example, is even less golden yellow than yours - it's way darker than yours.

You will decide as you do. To this day you have killed Boromir, Saucie and Fea. Don't even try that one. You yourself were strongly contributing to lynching Fea.

The barbeque subject... To whom do you think you can supply your ketchup after you kill me Celuien? Maybe me, for example? I think I could try to persuade my patients to drink it instead of alcohol... :D

Lommy, it's nice to know that you are something. It's odd I often see giftedness as suspicious because you were acting a bit differently there for a while. Well done and I praise you on your efficiency at the end, though baffled that you didn't dream of me.I did act differently. I was horrified of how edgy I was on Days 1 & 2. No wonder I was on nearly everyone's suspect list. I was wondering if I was doing terribly or terrificly...
I must admit I'm a bit baffled myself with the fact that I didn't dream of you... I can see two reasons:
1) I didn't want to dream of those who were under a serious threat of lynching, since their roles would be revealed anyway.
2) I had been so confident on your guilt, that I didn't want to learn for sure that you were an innocent... I guess that would have been too much for my pride. :p

Noggie, if you claim to be the seer and no one really believes you, why don't you volunteer to be lynched? Then we could lynch you and prove your "innocence"... Don't try to put up the argument that your "dreams" could be useful. You know that if you really were the seer, the village would lynch me and Lhuna next. They would lose nothing by killing you.

Caranlondien

06-06-2006, 08:21 PM

Seem a little on edge there, Nogrod :p If you were the Seer and we lynched you, we'd still have your list... :D

Nogrod

06-06-2006, 09:04 PM

= Caran
Seem a little on edge there, Nogrod

No, no. Nice and cozy, as the teddy-bear with Lommy. As I said, I'm really proud of her, in a sense...

But really. Look at Lommy's points in the mess she just posted before this. Just out of the hat nonsensense. Why would she go trying to find whatever point one might make if you were not the wolf yourself? So why sham reasons? Too eager to make the point believable? A wolf trying to save her case? Just trying to get any suspicions to voice out? Of how many of us could these be voiced?
Noggie, if you claim to be the seer and no one really believes you, why don't you volunteer to be lynched? Then we could lynch you and prove your "innocence"... I have nothing against you lynching me. Check my last posts. I think we can afford one or two mislynches before we lose. All of us should take responsibility with the consequences... including a living Lommy.

We are not so surely winning even if we think ourselves cool after getting one wolf right. How many of us really felt they were getting the real culprit last Day? Be honest. We have been in the dark all of the game and are just now mislead profoundly. We have been just lousy villagers, sorry, and I admit being one of the top-lousy ones.

Now I guess we should pick Lhuna and check Lommy's poker with her. There is a chance that she has taken a risk that was too much. Otherwise, I have no more ideas than you others have (the list is not full). I believe Cailin's call, but we should be aware of her if the number of villagers will go down to meet the wolves (Changeling is good for us when the numbers are up, but there is a situation when she comes frightful to us). I'd like to check lmp next night, but as you know, I might be saying this just for misleading the wolves...

Durelin: Go down with some dignity left, Noggy...I hope I will not have to go down, but if it is what you will, then yes I will try to. You'll see it.

Thinlómien

06-06-2006, 09:53 PM

I must be enjoying arguing since I'm answering...

Nogrod: Do you really think anyone will take you seriously, especially after the happily I'm not gifted-slip?

PS. Yes I'm sorry and can't say I have been a worthy Seer. I have actually been so bad as to try and deny my position in the village. The roles get mixed up during the game. With a role one has to think too much - and as I have had no time to concentrate (Lommy looking over my shoulder all the time) on the questions pertaining the village, I have been of little help. Sorry about that...If you're a seer you definitely don't forget it/mix it up. It makes you so nervous that you can't forget it. I can say that from experience. And you should know that too from your first game.

And your memory seems to be quite flip-floppy. First you are the seer, then you are an ordo, then you're the seer again... :D

Even though your brains work a way differently than mine (= you can forget you're the seer for a while), why did you then edit the post from "happily I'm not a gifted"? Couldn't you just have quoted it and said "Ah, I just remembered, I'm the seer"?

But really. Look at Lommy's points in the mess she just posted before this. Just out of the hat nonsensense. Why would she go trying to find whatever point one might make if you were not the wolf yourself? So why sham reasons? Too eager to make the point believable? A wolf trying to save her case? Just trying to get any suspicions to voice out? Of how many of us could these be voiced? Easy, easy. It makes me a wolf that I joke and say your arguments are feeble? :confused:

I have nothing against you lynching me. Check my last posts. I think we can afford one or two mislynches before we lose. All of us should take responsibility with the consequences... including a living LommyGreat. I think we should lynch Nogrod as he volunteers.

No, it's not a big matter, we've won anyway, but it's only a bit neater victory.

How many of us really felt they were getting the real culprit last Day? Be honest. I did, for one.
++tom bombarriffic

Besides he is suspicious. Or he has suspicious air. This is mostly a gut feeling, but I feel he might be a wolf. Let's hope so.Now, I don't want to hear a "she had a gut feeling 'cos she knew her fellow wolf" -argument, Nogrod. You seem to grasp any straw possible to try to convince the village of your "innocence".

We have been in the dark all of the game and are just now mislead profoundly....by you. :D

Cailín

06-07-2006, 01:47 AM

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 01:53 AM

So Lommy: you are a liar and a wolf. And you, Cailín dear, are the Changeling forced to play on the wolves' side toDay since you picked either Lhuna or Noggie last Night. :)

Cailín

06-07-2006, 01:56 AM

The Changeling always has to play on the village's side during day time.

Besides, I deny everything. :p

You are being forceful and argue too much, Lom. Other villagers: read again the events on the Day Saucy was lynched (Day 2 I think) and see if there is nothing weird and Seerish about Nogrod!

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 02:00 AM

The Changeling always has to play on the village's side during day time.I forgot about that, sorry...

Lhunardawen

06-07-2006, 03:08 AM

Oh stop it, Lommy and Nogrod. If you must fight then Mordor's the best place to do it, not Animalia. :p

But I'm innocent. I don't know what I did to be chosen by Lommy as a wolf, but this must be some desperate, if not foolhardy, ploy for her lupine side to win. And from the looks of it, it seems that she's winning.

I don't know if we should believe Nogrod's claim either, but I'm sure as anything that I'm innocent, and only a wolf would say otherwise.

++THINLOMIEN

Cailín

06-07-2006, 03:18 AM

This is ridiculous people! How can you all believe Lommy so readily? It's not that easy.

According to her claim, she knew Nogrod was guilty of wolvery yesterDay. Yet she posted:

Nogrod - I don't find anything particularly suspicious in him.

A Seer cannot afford that! She would be terrified of getting killed. The village wasn't large enough anymore. She could not hide. No way that Lommy - of all people - would act in such a way under such an amount of pressure. Only a few people could and I am not among them either. We needed to catch a wolf yesterDay and I gave everything to make it so. The real Seer would have done the same if she'd dreamed successfully.

If I'm wrong, forgive me, Lom, but I really don't think I am.

Change your votes! She's deceiving you!

Not that it truly matters. We can afford it. But really now...

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 03:32 AM

Cailín, you can call me stupid if you will, but I knew Noggie was a wolf and posted that. I assumed the wolves would be going after you. I was trying to lie as flat as possible. If I had suddenly started to voice suspicion of Nogrod though I hadn't suspected him all the previous days, the wolves would have surely killed me.

I took the hiding strategy instead of the leaving messages strategy. Maybe it was risky and foolish, but it succeeded. :D

If I'm wrong, forgive me, Lom, but I really don't think I am.
Don't worry, I will. :)

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 03:34 AM

Don't worry, I will. :) I owe catching Lhuna to you, after all. Your claim of TGWBS's and Durelin's innocence allowed me to nail her.

Celuien

06-07-2006, 04:08 AM

Actually, I have believed Nogrod to be the Seer since the Day Saucie died. Anyone would have voted for Saucy at that point, only the Seer who knows he's innocent would have refused and be desperate to kill Mormegil. If you check WWXI, you'll see I did the exact same thing as the Seer.
Well, you know, I defended Saucy from day 1. Said some weird things to Elempi like (paraphrased), he's too important to go without a Seer dream, he may already have been dreamt of, I think he's innocent, and a day 3 told-you-so when I couldn't get back in time to try to save him on day 2. Sure made Elempi think I was the Seer. :cool: And Wolfgrod knows who the innocents are anyway, so he can defend whom he pleases to gain trust. Doesn't mean he's the Seer instead of the furry monster that he is.

Wolfgrod is just having fun trying to confuse the village and making a last effort to trick us into saving him. That edit. Really. The mark of a werewolf. No matter which Seer claimant you believe, they've both declared me innocent. I'd have no reason to lie about seeing the post lateration. And I have witnesses too. Morm. Durelin.

You're not a Cobbler, Cailin. You may be a Changling, but like you said, you're on our side in the day phase. Come on now. Stop helping those wolves. I'll give you a bottle of ketchup. :D

Cailín

06-07-2006, 04:18 AM

Cailín

06-07-2006, 04:20 AM

I assumed the wolves would be going after you. I was trying to lie as flat as possible. If I had suddenly started to voice suspicion of Nogrod though I hadn't suspected him all the previous days, the wolves would have surely killed me.

How could you assume such a thing when -at the time of posting that- I wasn't even going to be around that day and had made no claims to know anything whatsoever?

the guy who be short

06-07-2006, 04:24 AM

++THINLOMIEN

Because I've trusted Cailin for yonks now, and haven't been sure about Lommy at all. Cailin's points against Lommy seem convincing.

In addition, the Ranger should not come out until we have sorted this mess out. That way they can continue saving people in the Night and not get Eaten.

Whoever the wolf is, they're not very smart. If they don't die tonight, they die tomorrow, and we get a Seer list to boot.

I thought Mithalwen was the Seer because of the whole mormegil thing.

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 04:26 AM

How could you assume such a thing when -at the time of posting that- I wasn't even going to be around that day and had made no claims to know anything whatsoever?For one, I wasn't sure. I just guessed it might be you (or Celuien maybe or someone else). And I saw no reason for them to go after me (that didn't stop me from getting over-anxious though...:)).

I am here but greatly distressed (real life...). This will be my only post toDay. I'm sorry. I accidentally found an internet cafe in the middle of nowhere.

If you trust me, trust me.

You are looking in the wrong direction. Especially Mormegil.

Do with this info as you will.

++LMP

Though I am not sure about this one.Sorry, but this clearly hints that you have some knowledge the others don't.

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 04:31 AM

Kudos to Wolfgrod, your case seems to be more convincing than I thought it ever would be. Unfortunately for you, whichever of us dies toDay, you will lose. :p So, villagers, feel free to lynch me if you wish. The victory is ours anyway. It will be just a day swifter if we lynch Nogrod toDay.

I just can't believe that Cailín and TGWBS believe Noggie when he says he mixed up his own role as a seer... :D It just sounds so stupid.

the guy who be short

06-07-2006, 04:32 AM

If we lynch Lommy and she's the Seer, we know our two wolves and lynch them the days after.

If we lynch Lommy and she's a wolf, Nogrod can dream of somebody - Lhuna perhaps - in the night and be protected by the Ranger. This gets us one more dream.

If we lynch Nogrod and he's a wolf, we can trust Lommy. We have two wolves. We win.

If we lynch Nogrod and he's the Seer, we vote Lommy tomorrow. We have one wolf.

Therefore, logically, it is in our interests to lynch Lommy for better outcomes. Lynching Lommy will gain us either the names of our two wolves, or else one wolf and a dream. Lynching Nogrod will only get us either our two wolves, or just one wolf without a dream.

Just to throw some maths in.

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 04:36 AM

I see your logic, TGWBS.

Just for you, lovely little ordos, Caran and the unknown ranger:

--Nogrod
++Thinlómien

If you people want to end the game earlier, I can change my vote back to Noggie.

It's all the same for me, you know. I will win with the village, dead or alive. :)

Cailín

06-07-2006, 04:37 AM

Sorry, but this clearly hints that you have some knowledge the others don't.

Oh it does, does it? ;)

I only posted that after you denied being suspicious of Nogrod. That's why your theory does not hold.

You may be right and I may be wrong, but either way: I have plenty of reason to be slightly suspicious of your claim.

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 04:38 AM

You may be right and I may be wrong, but either way: I have plenty of reason to be slightly suspicious of your claim.Be if you wish. I don't force anyone to believe me. I have won already anyway. :p

the guy who be short

06-07-2006, 05:43 AM

You know, this is actually quite disappointing. Werewolf was meant to be my betwixt-revision treat, but nothing much's happening.

*Whistles*

Of course, I could go check up on Nogrod's and Lommy's histories, but other people already have, and I'm too busy anyway. There seem to be points against them both.

*Wanders off*

the guy who be short

06-07-2006, 05:44 AM

On second thoughts

--LOMMY

++NOGROD

Now that I think about it, it's logical. Lomwolf would have no idea that Nogrod were the Seer. So she'd have no reason to pick on him, would she? A wolf would gain nothing by pretending to be the Seer at such a time, especially one not under too much suspicion, like Lommy.

Nogrod

06-07-2006, 05:54 AM

Okay. Hands up.

It was fun as long as it lasted. It seems only Mith's reaction has not been checked yet...

Just so bad timing as our game started last Night. We could've done with a couple of players more to come up with a funny extra role, but... *sigh*

Congrats to Lommy for good hunches!

And please people: never play a ww-game with someone living under the same roof! :D

++ Santa Claus

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 06:02 AM

Just so bad timing as our game started last Night. We could've done with a couple of players more to come up with a funny extra role, but... *sigh* Whiny, whiny. :p We'll manage just fine.

And please people: never play a ww-game with someone living under the same roof! Unless he cooks, washes the dishes, does some shopping and sleeps 'til midday... ;) :D

--Thinlómien
++Nogrod-Claus

Cailín

06-07-2006, 06:03 AM

But risking utter humiliation and defeat, I say I believe Nogrod.

Oh no. :o

You completely fooled me, Nogrod. I'd say well done to you (and Lommy of course!)

--LOMMY

++That evil supposed seer, sauceman saver, sneaky & snarling Wolfgrod

(I wonder if that vote counts?)

Nogrod

06-07-2006, 06:07 AM

Unless he cooks, washes the dishes, does some shopping and sleeps 'til midday... ;) :D

Yay!

Never play a game and be a dad at the same time... :rolleyes:

PS. Thanks Cailín. I love you!

Mithalwen

06-07-2006, 06:53 AM

It was fun as long as it lasted. It seems only Mith's reaction has not been checked yet...

]

*puts knickers on head, pencils up nose and says only* -" Wibble".

Kath

06-07-2006, 07:31 AM

Would everyone like me to end the game now or would you prefer to gloat a little more Lommy? :p

Celuien

06-07-2006, 07:38 AM

I'm okay with ending now. Unless Gaurdawen wants to hold on until tomorrow or Lommy wants to gloat some more. :D

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 07:39 AM

Would everyone like me to end the game now or would you prefer to gloat a little more Lommy? :p :p For my part we can end now. I can always post-game gloat if I wish to... :D

Kath

06-07-2006, 07:48 AM

Well, I'll start writing the final narration. If I've finished it before Lhuna appears I'll post it anyway. If she appears first and asks to have the extra Night I can keep it til tomorrow.

Durelin

06-07-2006, 08:36 AM

was it a hint, or was I making up my own elaborate plot?

I figured if I ever managed to get myself into deep waters I could reveal myself and be like: 'oh, but I tried to tell you! *points toward random arrow icons*' just so it was more fun for me... ;)

*puts knickers on head, pencils up nose and says only* -" Wibble".

You're my new favorite person, Mith...and the only sane one here. :p

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 09:36 AM

I guess we could be uninvisible now...?

the guy who be short

06-07-2006, 09:46 AM

And here I was for ages thinking morm was the Ranger and mith the Seer. Due to her passionate defence... I was surprised she didn't get killed for it.

I can't believe I'm alive 'til the end.

Innocent:
Caran

Confident innocent:
Cailín
Mith
morm

Probably innocent:
lmp
Lommy

Possibly innocent:
Durelin
Lhuna

Leaving me with my wolves:
Celuien
Nogrod
Tom

I think the last five will contain two or three of our wolves.Is there a smug smiley somewhere? :D

So, wolves, we look forward to explanations regarding your kills. Why Fin, in particular?

mormegil

06-07-2006, 10:07 AM

I need to know from the wolves, did you ever think I was gifted?

The Saucepan Man

06-07-2006, 10:10 AM

*A ghostly voice from beyond the grave is heard*

Make sure that confounded gravedigger gets the chop along with those Wolves ...

;)

Nogrod

06-07-2006, 10:12 AM

Kudos to you villagers! Lommy saved you. We just might have made it - tgwbs was a thorn, I admit and special notification for his hunch here!

But surely the opening situation was terrible: 19 villagers and only 3 wolves with the new role of Changeling helping the villagers (she would have been helpful to the wolves only very late in the game). So we would have to had being able stay nicely covered and succeed in our kills for quite a many Days comparing to any normal ww-game (I quess the norm is 15 villagers and 3 werewolves - so at least two more Days for us to make through).

The timing of the game was really bad for me too. I could have easily played as an ordo, but wolfing was just beoynd my boundaries this time. The first two days I really had to work from the early morning to the late evening and then Lommy & her little sister came here. I had to bribe Lommy & sis to go buying ice cream to make a Night post to my fellow wolves! So no hope of actually looking and analyzing the thread during the Nights and making well thought of decisions. And really: never play ww-game with someone who lives under the same roof! It's nerve-wrecking as well as action limiting.

Whine-whine... :) But really: it didn't help our position at all that Lhuna was able to be online just a few hours a day - around midday my time (when I normally had no reach of the computer). So many of the kills were kind of compromises and as such, not the best ones. Tom was amazing (well he seemed to have had time on those couple of crucial days to analyze the thread). I really bow to him: greatest newbie I have seen here!

I have our PM's on my PC, so if you are interested, I could send them here. But really - as I described above - they are not any masterpieces of wolvish planning. Surely they reveal you the nasty timing we had - and my non-commitment (not something I wanted, but depending on RL).

Mithalwen

06-07-2006, 10:14 AM

Actually thought I was completely useless ... other than holding to my nagging suspicion of Tom - who reminded me a bit of myself in my successful wolf outing.

Still think LMP was pllaying with fire and that it is wrong for players to use the games to settle personal scores. Especially when it results in "friendly fire" deaths. Only redeeming point was it saved Caran. Engineering the deaths of innocents without genuine suspicion is wolvish *scowls*.

Anyway..what a bizarre game. And an unexpected end. Need to read through and find out what happened... was busy at lunch!.

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 10:31 AM

Still think LMP was pllaying with fire and that it is wrong for players to use the games to settle personal scores. Especially when it results in "friendly fire" deaths. Only redeeming point was it saved Caran. Engineering the deaths of innocents without genuine suspicion is wolvish *scowls*.He played totally weirdly. Had I not known him to be innocent, I would have been lynching him yesterDay or earlier.

Feanor of the Peredhil

06-07-2006, 10:38 AM

*rises from the dead*

Noggie, I loved that last wee bit trying to save yourself. It was hilarious.

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 10:42 AM

Noggie, I loved that last wee bit trying to save yourself. It was hilarious.If hilarious stands here for amusing, I heartily agree. :D I'm still mystified how could Cailín believe him after the stupid "happily I'm not a gifted"-thing and the poor explanations about getting mixed up with his own role... :confused: :p

And I'm rather interested: did anyone ever think I might be the seer?

The Only Real Estel

06-07-2006, 10:52 AM

I'm still mystified how could Cailín believe him after the stupid "happily I'm not a gifted"-thing and the poor explanations about getting mixed up with his own role... :confused: :p

The thing about WW is that people think up elaborate plots that they think others could be trying to pull off - rarely does that seem to be the case, though.

Personally, I'm not at all surprised that a few people were suspicious of you for a bit...

Thinlómien

06-07-2006, 10:57 AM

Personally, I'm not at all surprised that a few people were suspicious of you for a bit... i don't say I was convincing - I maybe wasn't really - but Nogrod... he was ridicuolus (sorry :p)... Or maybe I'm simplifying things 'cos I myself knew I was the seer and that he was a wolf...

Cailín

06-07-2006, 11:26 AM

What you forget, Lommy, is that I did not need convincing anymore. For days I have been convinced Nogrod was the Seer. What he said fit right in what I had already figured out for myself. The first dream of Saucy, next of me (I was the only one he listed as convinced of innocence after Saucy's death)... So the manner of his revelation was really quite trivial in my eyes: I was just so ready to believe him.

You can ask Kath, whom I rather smugly told I had spotted the Seer after merely two days. :o

Nogrod

06-07-2006, 03:25 PM

*rises from the dead*

Noggie, I loved that last wee bit trying to save yourself. It was hilarious.
Well, it wasn't that serious any more.. :rolleyes: By the time we both (Lommy and me) knew about each other and yes, Lommy was watching over my shoulder as I wrote those last posts... That was fun too!

And sincerely Fea: I was not trying to save myself (that would have been a fool's hope), but wishing to see, whether anyone would buy my story and to give Lhuna one more Night.

Yes we lost at the moment Lommy came forwards.

littlemanpoet

06-07-2006, 04:26 PM

*A ghostly voice from beyond the grave is heard*

Make sure that confounded gravedigger gets the chop along with those Wolves ... ;)
:D No hard feelings. This had me laughing too hard. (coughcoughcough) :D

Boromir88

06-07-2006, 05:32 PM

Well I certainly went out faster than I expected. And honestly I'm glad I did because while skimming through the game I thought Lommy and tgwbs were at least two wolves. Since I was already suspicious of Lommy and I saw tgwbs kind of trying to nudge everybody away from that suspicion, I definitely thought those two were wolves...boy was I ever wrong. :D

A big congradulations to Lommy and tgwbs who played a superb game. Wow it really seemed like the village was lost there. But our Seer was able to stay alive and away from the wolves long enough to gather the information needed to win. Well done.

Also, for the record, yes my favorite animal is a coyote (avatar), and Form's is a lion. But, I don't mind the switch it works better considering I was a village victim. And Form was a wolf attack.

Fin and Tom it was great getting to see you play for the first time. If you are innocent you can be great assets to the village.

And one little thing that I found rather funny...
Unaware that his death was now inevitable Boromir continued to talk, trying to explain, to get people to listen, but to no avail.
I just found this funny because my last post I was rather calm. Because I really had no expectation of being lynched. I got hte impression some people suspected me, but in the midst of the cross-posting at the end I really had no idea that I was going to be lynched. And it did completely catch me off guard. :p

Feanor of the Peredhil

06-07-2006, 06:26 PM

Thank you for the chat skwerlz, Kath m'love. I loved my death!

The Saucepan Man

06-07-2006, 06:26 PM

Grrrr! I hate being lynched. :mad:

An unfortunate combination of SpM (deliberately) acting suspiciously, Caran (deliberately) acting suspiciously, Caran turning out to be the Hunter, retractable votes and me not being here at the crucial stage.

Oh, and Elempi's misguided desire for vengeance ... :rolleyes:

Note to self 1: Never suspect Caran again solely for flip-floppiness.

Still, if it had not been me, following Caran's declaration, it would probably have been morm. And, since he and I were both non-Gifted innocents, it would have made little difference to the village.

And you were probably better off without me. Had Noggins not informed me of his Wolfishness following his departure, I would never have guessed. And, even as a silent observer, there were others that I suspected far more than the true Wolves going into the last day. I should have known something was up when Lhuna was being so sane. And a very impressive debut there, Tom.

Note to self 2: It's always the ones as feel most fair as is most foul. I should know this by now.

Well done villagers, though. I was tempted to root for the Wolves, being as how you so swiftly turned on a poor innocent such as I. But then I remembered the need to bolster my win to loss ratio following Elempi's game. It was really Lommy wot one it, so particular congratulations to you, m'dear.

Note to self 3: Try never to accuse someone of not contributing, when they are actually quietly achieving the most.

Sorry, Lommy.

Kudos also to the Wolves, who might well have got away with it had Lommy not made such great dream choices. I was surprised that you were able to pull off the innocent act so well, Noggins. I had somehow got it into my head that, because you come across as so genuine when you are innocent, you would come across less so when guilty. I was wrong. I liked the way that you avoided getting caught in my lynching, while deftly avoiding suspicion for doing so at the same time.

It's a shame I couldn't have been involved for longer, but that unfortunate combination of circumstances done for me. It was good while it lasted, though. I rather enjoyed taking a more aggressive tack, despite being wholly misguided throughout ...

And, of course, a big well done for Kath for such great modding. I was genuinely contrite when you told me off for my anagram shenanigans. Wonderful death scenes, though (although I was rather annoyed that Nilp crashed my death scene ;) ).

Oh, and my favourite animal is not a Duck-Billed Platypus. I gave Kath a serious option and two silly ones. She went for one of the silly ones ...

What was the surpise for tgwbs, by the way?

mormegil

06-07-2006, 06:33 PM

As long as we are doing notes to self

Note to self: Never be quiet because you will instantly be suspected no matter what! :rolleyes:

How is it that there are many that can pull this off yet I cannot?

It was true WW weariness by the way, and I sympahtized with LMP too because of it.

Celuien

06-07-2006, 06:36 PM

More notes to self...

Beware of following suspicions too strongly for too long. Durelin. :rolleyes:

symestreem

06-07-2006, 07:07 PM

You guys seem to be done and discussing the game, so sorry if this post is an intrusion...

May I ask what the intended translation behind the title was?

littlemanpoet

06-07-2006, 08:42 PM

Actually thought I was completely uselessNo, you helped me get SPM lynched. :p

Still think LMP was pllaying with fire and that it is wrong for players to use the games to settle personal scores. Especially when it results in "friendly fire" deaths. Only redeeming point was it saved Caran. Engineering the deaths of innocents without genuine suspicion is wolvish *scowls*.Come come. It's all part of the game. Anguirel had his bit of fun in that one game in which he played "the Fool", and it was one of the most memorable.

Lhunardawen

06-07-2006, 08:48 PM

I should have known something was up when Lhuna was being so sane.

I guess that's my cue to be forever insane...thanks SpM. :rolleyes: :D

Lommy, the only reason we would have killed you is that Nogrod's having quite a hard time being a wolf with you around. Apart from that, we had no idea. Honestly, I had no clues until the end who the Seer could be.

And I know how it feels to play with someone you live with. Thank goodness Nilp decided to commit suicide or I'm sure he would have outed me.

Kath, you are evil. I wanted to die in Caran's hands. You know, some Werewolf VI frustration... *winks at Fea and Holby*

Celuien

06-07-2006, 09:05 PM

Could you explain the edit to me? I have missed it, so I'm not sure what it was all about.

If Nogrod is indeed guilty, he had me fooled for a long time. I shall not pursue it any further. But as he was my prime Seer candidate the entire game... his claim just makes more sense to me. Sorry.

You can keep the ketchup, by the way.

Sorry - I missed the edit explanation request eariler. Not that it matters now, but it referred to this post:

Well you call for your own doom here. I see Lommy has made her way and made you believe her. Regrettably I'm your seer and you can then lynch Lommy tomorrow - and then Lhuna. We win in the end...

Originally, it read:
Well you call for your own doom here. I see Lommy has made her way and made you believe her. Happily I'm not a gifted and you can lynch Lommy tomorrow - and then Lhuna. We win in the end...

Sort of a silly thing for a real Seer to do. ;)

PS Ketchup is tasty.

Lhunardawen

06-07-2006, 09:35 PM

Sort of a silly thing for a real Seer to do. ;)
I'm sure Seers are entitled to having selective amnesia? ;)

As for morm's query: I thought you and Mith were the Seer and the Changeling - which is which I had no idea. Really, you are all confusing.

Oh yes! We feared tgwbs might be the Seer because he managed to mention all three of us furry fluffy wolves in one breath.

So who are the gifteds, aside from Caran and Nog - I mean Lommy, really? :rolleyes:

Nogrod

06-08-2006, 12:54 AM

Sort of a silly thing for a real Seer to do. ;)

PS Ketchup is tasty.Sort of... :rolleyes:
But with the real Seer sitting by you on the same computer slips like that are probably inevitable...

I had prepared to make a lot of groaning if you people would have liked to lynch Celuien. "So what will I be putting into my hamburgers then if you cut my supplies of ketchup!"

=Lhuna
So who are the gifteds, aside from Caran and Nog - I mean Lommy, really? :D

Celuien

06-08-2006, 06:07 AM

I'm sure Seers are entitled to having selective amnesia?
Of course, though the end of the game with the village's fate hanging in the balance is an odd place for it to appear. ;)
Sort of...
But with the real Seer sitting by you on the same computer slips like that are probably inevitable...
I can imagine. That keyboard sharing must have been interesting. :) Fortunately, none of my housemates shares my Downs obsession, though they do stalk me here. (Hello, J. ;))

Mithalwen

06-08-2006, 06:10 AM

No, you helped me get SPM lynched. :p

Come come. It's all part of the game. Anguirel had his bit of fun in that one game in which he played "the Fool", and it was one of the most memorable.

Exactly, useless.

And I don't regard pursuing personal vendettas which may well be counterproductive to the village's survival as part of the game. In fact I was so annoyed that with the village in a more secure position following Tom's lynching I was considering pulling out. Lommy's skill rendered that decision irrelevant in the event. Memorable and acceptable are not the same.... :rolleyes:

the guy who be short

06-08-2006, 07:11 AM

I thought Lommy and tgwbs were at least two wolves.Though we could potentially have been three? :p

May I ask what the intended translation behind the title was?I asked Kath earlier. She said it was "Where Monsters Roam." Translated by Anguirel.

I was suspect-Seer? Cool! You guys didn't really seem suspicious - it was process of elimination. Everybody else felt innocent.

I don't know why I didn't go after Nogrod after Saucy's lynching. I thought he'd just muddled up his numbers and didn't realise his vote was needed. :rolleyes:

I too would like to know what my surprise was. Though I presume it involved Pokémon?

Speaking of Pokémon, I believe our victory demands a song and dance. Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZTp1IWvfM&search=meowth%20party) you go! Celebrate à la fête de Miaouss!

Anguirel

06-08-2006, 07:18 AM

Nah, it's Where Monsters Slaughter. Or Butcher. Or some similar verb. Apparently on this occasion they didn't...

Now...back to Latin revision...

the guy who be short

06-08-2006, 07:31 AM

My mistake. Trucidare is "to slaughter" or "to massacre." So it would be equally apt for morm's butcher.

Kath

06-08-2006, 08:54 AM

You can ask Kath, whom I rather smugly told I had spotted the Seer after merely two days.
It's true, she did!

Thank you for the chat skwerlz, Kath m'love. I loved my death!
You're most welcome, it was a fun one to write!

And, of course, a big well done for Kath for such great modding. I was genuinely contrite when you told me off for my anagram shenanigans. Wonderful death scenes, though (although I was rather annoyed that Nilp crashed my death scene ).

Oh, and my favourite animal is not a Duck-Billed Platypus. I gave Kath a serious option and two silly ones. She went for one of the silly ones ...

What was the surpise for tgwbs, by the way?
Glad to see I got through! Yes I'm sorry about Nilp crashing it but I had to kill him off sometime or he'd have yelled at me more. The silly one was more fun, and it meant I could curb your verbosity! The surprise for tgwbs was simply that his killers would be Pokemon. I was going to have a battle between Ash and Team Rocket going on in front of him :cool:

May I ask what the intended translation behind the title was?
Ang is right on that (he should be since he came up with it for me), it means "Where Monsters Slaughter".

Kath, you are evil. I wanted to die in Caran's hands. You know, some Werewolf VI frustration...
Sorry Lhuna my love! But she was never after you anyway.

So who are the gifteds, aside from Caran and Nog - I mean Lommy, really?
Lommy was the Seer.
Caran the Hunter.
Durelin was the Ranger.
Cailin the Changeling.
Lhuna, Nogrod and tom the wolves.

Oh and I will be getting Fin's death and the final narration up sometime today. I just had a clash with an RL RS exam that I suddenly realised I really should revise for, and then you guys had to go and finish the game! :rolleyes:

Reps are also coming out soon, I just got repped out yesterday.

the guy who be short

06-08-2006, 09:14 AM

I was going to have a battle between Ash and Team Rocket going on in front of himI'm disappointed I wasn't lynched.

littlemanpoet

06-08-2006, 09:14 AM

Exactly, useless.

And I don't regard pursuing personal vendettas which may well be counterproductive to the village's survival as part of the game. In fact I was so annoyed that with the village in a more secure position following Tom's lynching I was considering pulling out. Lommy's skill rendered that decision irrelevant in the event. Memorable and acceptable are not the same.... :rolleyes:
You righteous indignation is noted. I'm sorry to have offended you. Seems I'm getting pretty good at that lately. :rolleyes:

Mithalwen

06-08-2006, 10:11 AM

Well I have got over it now..but I wouldn't have if we had lost :D I have enough trouble with this game already without hidden agendas.... and I am certainly not offended at a personal level - well I guess my amour propre was hurt by being so easily fooled and I really thought it would get me lynched - I just assumed all innocents were singing from the same hymn sheet... Silly me :rolleyes:

symestreem

06-08-2006, 12:49 PM

Nah, it's Where Monsters Slaughter. Or Butcher. Or some similar verb. Apparently on this occasion they didn't...

Now...back to Latin revision...

Actually, if I'm understanding correctly, shouldn't it be 'Monsters Slaughter Here'? If you wanted 'Where', 'ubi' might have been more appropriate.

And if you really want to be technical, 'monstrae' is used more in the sense of omens and portents; 'belluae' would indicate a beast or wild animal.

Yep... it's official. I'm a nerd. :rolleyes:

Nogrod

06-08-2006, 01:03 PM

I need to know from the wolves, did you ever think I was gifted?Actually not. You were playing too suspiciously in the beginning to look like a gifted... Good gifted tactics the next time around? :)

Nogrod

06-08-2006, 01:07 PM

So, wolves, we look forward to explanations regarding your kills. Why Fin, in particular?A compromise everyone agreed. A player with perspective and being possibly dangerous. That Night we hadn't the possibility of safely killing anyone we actually believed / knew to be gifted.

mormegil

06-08-2006, 01:17 PM

Actually not. You were playing too suspiciously in the beginning to look like a gifted... Good gifted tactics the next time around? :)

That's the same way I played when I was the seer and it got me killed by the hunter but not the wolves.

Nogrod

06-08-2006, 01:26 PM

That's the same way I played when I was the seer and it got me killed by the hunter but not the wolves.I remember that. Di is efficient! :D

Durelin

06-08-2006, 02:50 PM

Beware of following suspicions too strongly for too long. Durelin.

You looked much more wolfish than I ever did...especially since you and Tom made such a pair. :p

I called Tom earlier than you, though... ;)

Out of curiosity: Kath, what was everyone else's animal choices, and perhaps you could share any brilliant death ideas that you had and didn't get to use? They should get some publicity if you have some still sitting around. :D

mormegil

06-08-2006, 03:38 PM

Durelin, how did you protect the last night?

Formendacil

06-08-2006, 03:52 PM

First things first: I fully appreciate SPM's normal difficulty- that of being killed on Night 2. I may have replace my anti-Day 1 tirade with an anti-Night 2 tirade...

Although I should thank the wolves for killing me, since I would have been gone for Day 3 and most of the game onward... Still, I've never been thought a crazy, ignorant fool before, and I don't like it. And I maintain that Day 1s are dangerous and little more. I begin to feel very sympathetic to Nilp and the flak he takes for his traditional Day 1 stance.

So, in general, I'm feeling sympathetic right now- and no more than to the wolves. You guys really should have had the game in the bag, you played so well. Darn seers... (Yes, LMP, I'm looking at you).

Durelin

06-08-2006, 03:55 PM

Durelin, how did you protect the last night?

Caran, since I wasn't sure about the Seer yet, and I figured the wolves were waiting for me to slip up. And really, it just was my best bet. :D

Cailin actually protected Caran the night before, as well.

Thinlómien

06-08-2006, 05:04 PM

Caran, who did you protect each Night?

mormegil

06-08-2006, 08:51 PM

Fea dear,

Will you please explain yourself?

Caranlondien

06-08-2006, 09:24 PM

I hunted:
Night 2 - lmp
Night 3 - Nogrod
Night 4 - lmp
Night 5 - tgwbs

Darn you wolves for not killing me right away when I came out as the hunter! I would have taken Nogrod with me...

By the way, why didn't you guys kill me? :p

Thinlómien

06-09-2006, 03:17 AM

Caran, who did you protect each Night?An interesting question... :rolleyes:

I loved playing in this game, and I loved trying the seer for the first time. It was real fun. :D

Kath, thanks for lovely modding and narrations.

What I maybe haven't said before, I appreciate Nogrod's valiant last day try. It was only doomed, and ridiculous to me as I knew how things were... :)

And I'd never have guessed Durelin to be the ranger... I guess she had the same advantage as me; being too suspicious to the wolves to kill or anyone to guess to be the seer, but never getting lynched though. Cheers, Durelin, well-played!

Fea dear,
Will you please explain yourself?Second!

tom bombariffic

06-09-2006, 03:57 AM

Thanks for a great game everyone, especially my great co-wolves, who were excellent throughout. It's been good fun.

Just a quick point - I've not noticed fea explain her master plan anywhere, and I'd like to know what it was, because I thought I had it sussed at the time:

Pm from ME to NOGROD and LHUNA:

fea's plan
Hi guys. Lhuna, I tried being earlier but it seems like I've missed you again! Hopefully this will be relevant if by any chance you come back in time.

Firstly, Fea. Nogrod, I couldn't tell from your pm if you understood her plan, but I'm certain I did. It was a very good plan. And, thank goodness, it failed.

Fea knew she was innocent and not gifted. She told the villagers to all vote for her, in the hope that everyone would change their votes - EXCEPT the seer and changeling (if they know any wolves). Obviously if everyone is voting fea but one person sticks to their vote saying they understand the plan and that they believe that [a villager] is guilty , then people will realise that they are the seer/changeling, and gain valuable knowledge of a certain wolf. They'd obviously die too, but 2 gifteds=2 wolves, a good turnaround.

The plan failed, because either no gifteds were present, or no gifteds understood it. When Durelin stuck to his vote, she said 'durelin understands', but he said he hadn't, which is true because if he had he'd either have voted for her or for one of us. I hope I'm explaining this well.

When you look back at what she said in this light, it seems very obvious. she says things like 'why would I tell you all to vote for me, and who will try to stop me?', putting the emphasis on people who DON'T vote for her.

I dunno if other people did get it at the time, but I'd like to know if I was right!

thanks again everyone,

bombariffic

Celuien

06-09-2006, 04:10 AM

Fea dear,

Will you please explain yourself?
Fourth. In the absence of the space thingy answer, I'm quite confused. :)

Feanor of the Peredhil

06-09-2006, 09:02 AM

Fea dear,

Will you please explain yourself?
Of course, love.

Basically, in the middle of the game, I realized that I was still trying to move back home from school, my family was about to meet my boyfriend (:eek:) and my father and brothers were NOT being cool about it, I was about to start at least one new job, I was trying to finish up school work after term was officially over, AND my great grandmother is dying. I couldn't stick around.

You can even ask Kath; I frantically PMed her apologizing and freaking out that I had way too much going on in RL to keep playing. I asked her to kill me and she begged that I manage at least one final post before she killed me off at night so that I wasn't totally non-participatory.

That was my very random and non-backed-up "Y'all should just kill LMP" post.

Then I discovered a spare hour or so in which I decided that I had no inclination for my inevitable death to be wasted. I saw the village trying to kill Morm and I was worried they'd succeed. See, I was very convinced of the innocence of Mithalwen, mormegil, LMP, and Celuien at that point.

Since I didn't want TWO innocents killed in one night, I posted my plan that, should the village be uncertain of the lupinity of the lynchee, they ought to kill me.

Basic plan: avoid wasted deaths of innocents.

I also very sincerely hoped that somebody would figure out (without me saying it and potentially breaking rules because it referred to non-game discussion with the mod) that I wasn't coming back and would know to use my "suicide" as a way to gauge legitimate reactions. I figured out Nogrod that way.

The one post I made that said "Nogrod, I'm so confused" originally read "Kill Nogrod."

Secondary plan: use my inevitable death to spot those trying to capitalize on it.

I freaked a little when I remembered the changeling role and realized that I'd made myself look that way, but before I could tell y'all to kill Noggie and clarify a little (still trying to be discreet enough that my death would be productive), I had to leave and wasn't back for quite a long time; far after the Day ended.

Basically, I was going to die that night regardless and I really wanted somebody to take full advantage of the fact. Sorry it was so confusing but I was trying not to break any rules and I was bound by insane time constraints while doing it.

Mithalwen

06-09-2006, 01:09 PM

Hence your decalration of love!!!! And there I was thinking it was all so complicated ..especially when I had to google trekkie stuff and discovered the changeling ref... and since I was never completely up to speed on what the changeling could do exactly I thought there was some cunning plan......

Nogrod

06-09-2006, 01:27 PM

Feanor of the Peredhil

06-09-2006, 01:52 PM

Hence your decalration of love!!!! And there I was thinking it was all so complicated
Yeah, no. It was a lot simpler than Star Trek, though I started laughing like mad when that was brought up. Just that I was going to die and I wanted as productive a death as possible.

I kept track of the rest of the game... just I could only do it in bits and pieces of time that were utterly unpredictable in occurence. It was fun to watch and very interesting to see what people came up with about me. :rolleyes: ;)

Thinlómien

06-10-2006, 09:29 AM

One more ironic twist to the game.

One of the reasons why we wolves were defeated was in Cailín playing her Changeling role exactly in the way myself and Spm had been calling the Changeling should do. So in a way the tactics that made me look good in many of your eyes somewhat backfired as Cailín actually did just the thing I had been calling for (I had counted on the Seer and the Changeling to cross-dream a lot, but...).

So both Durelin and tgwbs had been piling up suspicion and Cailín had checked them - but Lommy hadn't! When Cailín's announcement then came, Lommy had good reasons to check Lhuna (she had checked me already, tom had been lynched as a wolf so why not the third one from tgwbs's list - and anyhow enigmatic player who should be checked?). Finito.

Good teamplay by Cailín and Lommy!
Yep. With my final suspects on the Night I caught Lhuna were Lhuna, morm and Mith, it wasn't very difficult to guess who the remaining wolf was aftre reading through their posts. On Day 2 (?) morm received a vote from both tom and Nog and Mith just acted so innocenty.

I had two reasons not to pick the most suspected players (TGWBS, Durelin, maybe morm). 1) I though they'd be lynched soon anyway and I couldn't change it, so the dream'd be wasted. 2) I thought the Changeling would pick them.

I think the biggest thanks from the village victory belong to Cailín. *curtseys*

Kath

06-10-2006, 11:01 AM

Ok guys, Fin's death is up and the final narration will be soon.

My apologies for the delays on this. Up til now revision hadn't really been top of my agenda, which means I have a lot of cramming to do :D

Mithalwen

06-18-2006, 01:48 PM

HI-ing in the hope that the final narration will happen.. :D

Kath

06-20-2006, 04:40 PM

Lommy stepped forward, brandishing a piece of paper with two names written on it.

“Right here!” She cried out triumphantly, slamming the paper down in front of the eyes of the villagers. “Look! The names of the final wolves.”

As she stepped back everyone else crowded round it to get a look.

“Lhuna and Nogrod are the wolves!” Yelled Caran. “Get them!”

“Wait, wait.” Said Nogrod calmly. “You’ve got it all wrong. I’m not Gifted but I am the Seer and I can tell you that Lommy and . . .”

“Excuse me?” Came morm’s incredulous voice. “You’re not a Gifted but you’re the Seer? Incredible!”

“Well what I meant to say was that I am Gifted of course but, I mean, you know what I mean surely.”

“Oh yes, of course we do.” Lommy laughed. “Look guys just lynch me and then you can lynch them tomorrow. Won’t do the village any harm. I’ve already got you the last wolves.”

She sauntered over to Nogrod.

“Come on Noggie, give up. You have no way to win now.”

Nogrod bowed his head, eyes casting desperately around for Lhuna, but she was nowhere to be seen.

“Damn this timzone-itis!” He snarled, rising to his feet. “You think you’ve won, Seer? You don’t know what you’re up against. My partner in crime may not be here, but I have many others who will assist me with your deaths.”

Throwing his head back he howled, and as he did so his body began to change into the familiar shape of a wolf. Snapping his jaws he leapt at Lommy who screamed and turned tail, fleeing into the relative safety of the rest of the villagers. Wolfgrod approached the group, eyes glinting with malice, and tried to move in toward Lommy. His attempt was thwarted by two villagers stepping forward; one brandishing a sword and the other the dust that had prevented him from killing before.

“You won’t harm our Seer.” Durelin spoke softly but firmly, throwing the dust in a circle around Lommy who was standing behind her.

“Or any of the rest of our village.” Caran agreed, directing the point of her sword at Wolfgrod’s chest.
The resulting lack of anger from the wolf in front of them confused them all. He simply stood there, watching them, seemingly waiting for something. Frightened and unsure the villagers huddled behind their protectors, relieved that the animals behind them would warn if Lhuna arrived from that direction.

Slowly realising what they had just been thinking, the village turned as one to meet the eyes of the animals lined up at their backs. The ferocious glares of a boa constrictor, a cat, numerous Pokemon, a penguin, a dog, a panda, a raven, and a mongoose stared back at them.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place the villagers turned to their Gifteds.

“What do we do! We’re going to be slaughtered!”

“Yes you are.” Came a growl from their right. Dreading what they would see the villagers reluctantly turned toward the source of the noise, and met the gaze of the once lovely Lhuna, now fanged and furry as Nogrod.

Giving up on any idea of unity the villagers screamed and ran. An each man for his own mentality broke out, with fellow villagers treading on each other in an attempt to get furthest away from the dangers on all sides. Only Caran and Durelin stood strong, trying to stop the beasts from attacking. Seeing this Lhuna and Wolfgrod leapt at them.

Quickly Durelin spread her dust around the two of them and Caran met Lhuna’s outstretched claws with her sword, forcing the wolf to fall back. Wolfgrod was luckier, as he leapt he snatched the mongoose from the ground and threw it into the dust, which scattered as it was hit. Landing inches away from Durelin Wolfgrod grinned, baring his teeth and snarling into her face. Dancing backward Durelin continued to protect herself and Caran with the dust, but Wolfgrod continued to break her lines with various animals, as the dust did not protect against them.

As Durelin played tag with Wolfgrod, Caran was still fighting Lhuna. The wolf had seemed surprised to find open war when she arrived, but she had soon accepted the situation. Caran parried as claws came at her again, ducking to avoid the heavy weight of the wolf on top of her. The two circled each other, jumping back and forth as Durelin’s lines of dust would appear between them, stopping the fight for a moment as Lhuna manoeuvred round them.

Suddenly, with all the moving around, Lhuna and Wolfgrod found themselves back to back. Snarling they whirled round to mutilate whomever it was behind them, and hissed when they found an answer, turning back to their battles. The process only took a few seconds, but it was all Caran needed. As Lhuna’s faced away from her, she took her sword in both hands and aimed it, waiting for the opportune moment. The great head swung back, neck taut and visible for just a moment, and Caran took it. Slicing her sword down she severed Lhuna’s neck from her body with one quick stroke.

As the separated halves of his comrade fell to the ground Nogrod yelped as if in pain himself. Howling again he doubled the strength of his attack, until Durelin could no longer defend both herself and Caran.
In the background the villagers had been fighting their own battle with the animals not being used by Nogrod. The boa constrictor was silently squeezing Cailín, who couldn’t make a sound or a movement due to the crushing pressure all around her. TGWBS was involved in an intricate battle with the Pokemon, who were clearly winning. Lommy was protecting her eyes from the sharp beak of the penguin that was after them. Mith was struggling with a panda, which was attempting to stab her with sharpened bamboo sticks.

As Nogrod’s howl went up the fighters looked toward the source. Seeing Lhuna’s head on the ground gave them the villagers the kick they needed to fight back. Mith darted behind the boa constrictor, causing her panda attacker to trip over its tail. The snake turned on the bear for a moment, giving Mith enough time to pull Cailín free. The same teamwork was going on with the other villagers, and while they weren’t winning, they weren’t in such dire straits as they had been.

Free of Lhuna, Caran turned to help Durelin with Wolfgrod. The wolf leapt and twisted and turned, and the fight was evenly matched. Soon Durelin was running out of dust and Caran was tiring, but Wolfgrod just kept coming. A sudden yodelling yell from behind them caused all three to jump and turn to locate the noise, spotting Cailín heading towards them, a cat in one hand and an arctic loon in the other. The cat she threw at Wolfgrod, causing an immediate spat as though they were technically on the same side no dog-like creature likes a cat. Just as he was finishing dealing with one nuisance, Cailín threw the artic loon at him, hitting him square on the nose. Wolfgrod howled in pain and reached his paws up to cover his snout. Taking advantage of his distraction Caran plunged her sword through his chest, leaving it embedded there as she leapt backwards to avoid the claws that came down in defense.

As Wolfgrod staggered, the animals stopped attacking the rest of the villagers. All eyes turned to the great wolf and watched as he slowly fell, impaling himself further on the sword. A gasping breath was heard, as though he was trying to growl but couldn’t, and then a gurgle, and then silence. The villagers watched as the animals they had been battling with moments before slunk off back into the woods, and realised that it was over. All the wolves were dead. They had won!