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Valesse
09-11-2006, 04:01 PM
Valesse reached inside of the inn one last time and fritted the last of the apple cider. Pleased, she stood tall and considered her life very... fruitful.
Glirdan
09-11-2006, 04:01 PM
Everyone please stop voting. There is a tie. In this case, the one who got to that number first will die. In this case, it is Valesse. I shall have the death up shortly.
Edit - My bad, no tie.
Glirdan
09-11-2006, 04:13 PM
The villagers gathered at the end of the Day once more to cast their votes for whom they wanted to lynch. Finally, once Wilwa gathered all the votes, she tallied them.
"And the votes stand thus:
Nogrod - 1
Kath - 2
Macalaure - 1
Gil - 2
Valesse - 3
Boromir - 1
This means that Valesse is the one to be lynched."
The villagers turned and looked up at the Ent. "Hmmm...How do you kill a tree?" Boromir said thoughtfully.
"Well, we could always chop her to bits," Sleepy suggested, pulling out his sword at the same time.
"No, that would take to long," Naria said.
"How about we drown her?" Kath said savagely.
"She can just get up out of the water again!" Lommy cried.
"I know! We can burn her!" Volo suddenly shouted.
"Are you all done talking about me?" Valesse growled. For while they were debating, she had treansformed into a giant Wolf. With that, she lunged forward. But Nogrod was quicker. While everyone was talking, he had lit a match. And just as she lunged forward, he threw the match at her. The fire started to lick it's way up. Valesse was howling in pain. Finally, the fire died. All the was left of Valesse was ashes.
"Well, this makes my job easier," Boromir smirked as he walked away with the rest of the village.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~
Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Mauled to death on Night 1
Meneltarmacil (wolf) - Squished into a pancake on Day 1
JennyHallu (innocent) - Killed and her body stolen on Night 2
Diamond (innocent) - Hanged on Day 2
Valier (innocent) - Killed, ripped to pieces and hidden in her study on Night 3
Valesse (wolf) - Burned to a crisp on Day 3
Alive
Gil
Naria
Nogrod
Boro
Sleepy Ranger
Lommy
Macalaure
Volo
Kath
Everyone stop posting. I need a name from the Wolf, Seer and Ranger. Day 4 will start @ 6pm tomorrow.
Glirdan
09-12-2006, 03:06 PM
The sun rose and dawned on the village. Everyone woke up feeling quite happy and quite relaxed. After their kill of the Wolf Valesse the Day before, they were sure that it wouldn't be much longer before they found the final Wolf.
However, their spirits fell as they congregated in the village square. Everytime that they've gathered in the morning they found that there was one person missing.
So when they counted, they were surprised that there were still nine of them. So they counted again, and again...and again.....and again....
Yet they still came to the same number.
"So, does this mean that-"
"-the Ranger succeded? Yes, yes it does."
And their spirits rose higher than they have been in a few Days. And everything looked much brighter in their eyes. Everyone, that is except one, who scowled inside and put up a pretense of joy. His attack had failed.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~
Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Mauled to death on Night 1
Meneltarmacil (wolf) - Squished into a pancake on Day 1
JennyHallu (innocent) - Killed and her body stolen on Night 2
Diamond (innocent) - Hanged on Day 2
Valier (innocent) - Killed, ripped to pieces and hidden in her study on Night 3
Valesse (wolf) - Burned to a crisp on Day 3
Alive
Gil
Naria
Nogrod
Boro
Sleepy Ranger
Lommy
Macalaure
Volo
Kath
Please do not post until 6pm Eastern Time. I posted this up early as I knew I wouldn't have a chance then. Thanks and good luck.
Nogrod
09-12-2006, 04:30 PM
“We’re doing more than fine!” Nogrod was still a bit high after his night trip he had had with his pills and had to make a fifth recount of the heads present. “I could guess there are a couple of guys this wolf is not wishing to play any more with... but due to our ranger fella’, now s/he is forced to continue playing, at least for one Day. So to the bussiness, I say. Let’s get the beast toDay, before it can implement it’s scheme. Honours man, I and I sees it!”
He took his pipe, filled it carefully and lighted it. After taking the first puffs and blowing some semi-succesful rings from them he turned to face the others.
“Now one thing I started to wonder just between my trips last night, brothers and sisters. How come that wolf-Val’ didn’t vote for Gil? That would have saved her! Well, what can you wait from trees as it comes to logic, but still... That kinda’ baffles me mates. There is no sense there. She might have been stunned by the excitement or tension, to be sure – or had too little time to check the situation. Sure man. Possible that is: my lorebooks and the experience of my fallen forefathers have told me that it might be tense, even so as to dim the better judgement. But still? Wouldn’t any sane wolf check the situation? A vote for Gil would’ve done the trick!” Nogrod made a pause and inhaled the smoke concentratedly.
“But if voting for Gil – and thence killing him - would have felt quite basically wrong to her? If he was her last mate? Think of it. She was under a heavy pressure with some pretty good arguments – and she was scared as lycantrophes are under well made accusations they know are true. Then she saw that the one other candidate to kill besides herself was her mate. So killing the mate now would lead to her being the only last wolf and very possibly killed toDay. I quess at least I – or Boro either – wouldn’t have given up on our suspicion on her toDay in the case of a possible Gil-wolf being killed yesterDay. Probably we might have gained others to join with more time to make the arguments even more sound – and herself fearing of making one mistake more for us to take hold of... So as a wolfie, she decided to make a suicide, or at least not to reveal her connection to Gil who then might get out from this?”
Nogrod was still just for a while to get a new load of smoke into his body before he went on.
“So if she had a choice between the Scylla and the Kharybdis? She knew that killin’ Gil yesterDay by her own vote would lead to her lonely struggle toDay against all the odds. So she decided to die bravely and leave Gil unsuspected so that her side would still have a chance to win?”
With that Nogrod started towards the bar, but as he had taken quite a lot of stuff during the night and more just recently, he erred on the direction and went into Volo’s bar instead of Wilwa’s. Slowly he managed to stagger to the large armchair in Volo’s bar just beside the fireplace. Then he passed out.
Gil-Galad
09-12-2006, 06:05 PM
"right... i shall state again though nobody even pays attention to me and calls me useless, we must look around the box, if go saying a big lengthy description, people will be thinking 'wow, thats so long it must be true' when i go around and say my little tidbits, you people bring me into the picture for lack of post, well what i have to say, i say it in simple terms. now you may or may not even read what i said, but please don't call me useless, if you object to my theories or statements, then say 'well gil, if you say that then blah blah etc.' don't just ignroe me as always and that i'm more worthy to be cannon-fodder, if yo uall vote for me then its not a loss, but it is, because it gives the real wolf another chance to strike, and if the wolf was smart, he/she would know that to keep me alive would mean to use me as a scapegoat, so if you vote for me then you are helping the wolf's plans, though eventually he/she will be captured, it will cost us quite a bit. and that is my defense and if you say that i brought little to my defense then yo uclearly ignored me again and did not read this, now i am going to have some crapes and i'm not sharing!"
Thinlómien
09-12-2006, 11:09 PM
Thinlómien followed Nogrod to Volo's inn after hesitating a bit. She gestured Wilwa to join the company.
Thinlómien couldn't help smiling. The village was doing very well. "Nogrod, Boromir. If you are wolves, you are so cunning ones that I wouldn't mind losing the game to you." She curtseyed. "Both playing a part in lynching a wolf, again."
"Now, master Gil, you don't do much good for your cause by this statement:
and if the wolf was smart, he/she would know that to keep me alive would mean to use me as a scapegoat, so if you vote for me then you are helping the wolf's plans, though eventually he/she will be captured, it will cost us quite a bit. We don't suffer much if one innocent more dies; we are in a better position than the sole wolf. If we however lynched you, and you were his/her scapegoat, s/he loses one and must find a new one. Besides, the theory's a bit hm... unconvincing. I'm sorry to say, but I don't think you'd be a probable wolf kill anyways."
"Volo, might I have an applejuice, please?" Thinlómien asked, taking a more comfortable position on the chair.
"Now, this Gil here certainly is one I'm interested to lynch. When he posts, he mostly gives quite suspicious statements. He's very silent and - I'm sorry to say - not a great asset to the village since he doesn't contribute very much to the discussion."
Macalaure
09-13-2006, 03:01 AM
Macalaure trod into the bar smiling funnily and shaking his head. He ordered a pint and a second immediately and sat down. He downed his first pint, silently laughing and still shaking his head.
"Let me introduce you to the world of the wacky thoughts of Macalaure. But listen at your own peril!
For quite some time now I suspected that, due to their extreme trust towards each other, there is only the possibility that either both Nogrod and Boromir are wolves, or both are innocent. I paid serious heed to Kath's theory and found it quite possible and reasonable.
Yesterday, for the first time, I shyly tested my suspicion by throwing a little accusation towards Nogrod. His answers didn't manage to convince me in any way, but I was surprised by what Boromir said: "I'm not a wolf, so I and Nogrod can't be, so you're wrong." - weirdest kind of defense I have ever read. Talk about paranoia. The older the day grew, the more I was certain of the two's guilt.
The way the votes went it was clear that Valesse would be lynched. This was a bad situation for me because I raised my suspicion on her before, but now my chief suspects were going to lynch her! She had to be innocent and had to be saved. So I voted for Gil to give her a chance if she voted before Nogrod. Gil, I don't think you're useless, of course I don't. You just happened to be the only one who I could possibly have voted for with giving a reason. I hadn't said anything against, say Kath, before, so I couldn't have voted for her without baffling everyone. I'm sorry, pal. It didn't mean what I said.
If Valesse voted Gil and survived, I would have presented a case against Nogrod and Boromir today, and looking over my notes, it would have been not so short and not so bad. But now all this is impossible. The two brought two wolves under the earth. They're no wolves, not one of them.
I, too, wondered why Valesse didn't save herself, and reached the same conclusions as Nogrod"
Macalaure downed his second pint.
"It's amazing how I completely screwed up yesterday and still day and night went so well for us.
At the moment, I'm moderately suspicious of Naria and Gil, undecided about Kath and Sleepy and moderately unsuspicious of Volo. I will take a closer look at Lommy today. She's been all cute and cuddly so far, but some things she said of late made me raise an eyebrow."
Thinlómien
09-13-2006, 03:48 AM
Thinlómien couldn't help bursting into a girlish giggle. "Cute and cuddly, Oromë save me, hopefully not. Mac, you're amusing me greatly." She smiled at the wainrider. "May I offer you a pint? Or a glass of apple juice maybe?"
She changed her position, and continued in a more serious tone. "This is no counter-suspicion, Macalaure, but your urgent and avid defence of your actions yesterday stroke me as a bit odd. Yet, now that I think of it, innocents too can overreact on things a bit, but I think that your eagerness to jump to your own defense is somewhat remarkable. I don't see you as a clear suspect, but not someone I'd trust to be innocent either."
"Now, I used quite a lot of time in recalling all the past events. After it I can say that I'm not as suspicious of Kath as I was before. Her defense yesterday was quite convincing. I'm not ready to trust her either, though."
"Volo I have no reason to suspect this far and that is the only thing that worries me in him or his behaviour. I'm inclined to think he's innocent though."
"Naria has been fairly vocal for a member of the Nariatic family and I'm still puzzled is that a good or a bad sign (though it certainly is a good thing), but I'm leaning towards her being a good guy. she's on the gray zone too."
"Gil is fairly suspicious and the threat he poses shouldn't be underestimated."
"Sleepy is a talking question mark for me."
Thinlómien sucked her hair. "I've no idea yet who to vote. Back to thinking, it is, I say."
Before falling to a trance, she suddenly rembered a comment she wished to reply. "Oh, Kath, that twisting of words... I just mean that I didn't say I was surprised I in no means - in my own opinion - conveyed the message I was surprised. I was actually interested and intrigued. I think there has been a misunderstanding and do not wish that to haunt this village life any further."
Today Volo woke tired but happy. Still shocked by the murder he commited, he picked some flowers and brought them to Diamond's grave. There he sat for a while. Without even having a bottle of anything with him. The nightmare was turning back to dream... or was it just a calm before the storm? Anyway, when he returned to his inn, he was extremely suprised to see it full. Everybody seemed happier then yesterday. Volo poured beer for everyone, exept Lommy, she got here juice.
"So friends, what are the plans for today? The seer is alive, shouldn't he/she tell us something now? Any other innocent won't have any use in lying about being a seer. And I think if the wolf starts lying, we'll find out. I do hope, that the seer knows the truth by now."
Volo stood up on a table and shouted "Let this be a congratulation to our ranger!", drank his mug slowly looking each person into the eyes.
"I hope yesterday cleared my name. I am also completely sure that Nogrod and Boromir aren't wolves. It's a fact! Now I would ask our seer to tell us about his/her knowledge. I suggest that the seer tells us about being a seer even if he/she doesn't know the last wolf, the ranger could try to keep him/her alive one more turn. And I do think we'll manage to recognize if the "seer" is a wolf."
Boromir88
09-13-2006, 06:17 AM
'I have no idea who to vote for today either,' remarked Boromir. 'Though I like Nogrod's case against Gil-galad, and right now he's the biggest lynchee. (will explain more in a bit).'
'Now as to last night's matters, not only did we catch a wolf, but the Ranger made a successful protection. Ahem,' Boromir cleared his throat, 'Did I not say our fortunes would change by having the two gifteds being a live this long? Onto the matter of the protection. I'm going to leave it completely up to the Ranger to decide if he/she wants to come out and tell us who he/she protected last night.'
'Gil, you are defending yourself vehemently today. That strikes me as rather unusual. If you remember I hadn't called you useless. In fact I think two days ago I said something like we should look more closely at what Gil says and not just discard it as rubbish, but this defense of yourself just seems strange...abnormal in a way. The only possibilities I've seen is that you've decided to step away from the Gil-galad family line (as I've never known your family members to defend themselves so staunchly), or you actually have something to hide. You actually have a strong reason to start pleading being the only wolf left, perhaps?'
Kath stood silently, inwardly despairing at her ability to pick out wolves, or rather her lack of it.
"Maybe I should just stay quiet from now on and let Noggie, Boro and Volo find the last wolf!"
She laughed and shook her head.
"But no, I will take part even if I'm not much help. I have a few jobs to take care of first though, so I'm just checking in and I'll be back later."
Boromir88
09-13-2006, 06:32 AM
Boromir addressed Volo, 'If the Seer does decide to reveal him/herself, I think we can take that person as being the truthful Seer. There would be no reason for the last wolf to come and say he/she was the Seer, because that would not get the last wolf a victory.'
Thinlómien
09-13-2006, 06:43 AM
"Boromir said:There would be no reason for the last wolf to come and say he/she was the Seer, because that would not get the last wolf a victory.' Yet history knows such wolves." Thinlómien took a sip from her cup. "Seriously though, I agree, it's quite useless."
Macalaure
09-13-2006, 07:15 AM
"If the Seer knows the last wolf s/he shall speak. If not, then s/he can only give us the names of a few innocents and this makes him/her more valuable when hidden. Right now, it's 8 innocents against 1 wolf, so it's not urgent at all. The wolf would indeed be foolish to impersonate the seer.
The ranger can only provide us with the name of two innocents and will face certain death if s/he reveals. We fared well with our gifteds so far, I see no reason to change the course."
Gil-Galad
09-13-2006, 07:22 AM
*sigh* if you will not beleive me then i shall go my own way... and right now Macalaure with his last post has got me wondering, if he asked for the seer to come out and speak, then the seer might actually come out and say whose innocent, then the wolf will knock the seer out, since that was macalaure's idea and everyone will think hes just...
++Macalaure
i don't think its a good idea for our ranger to show themself.
Macalaure
09-13-2006, 07:30 AM
"But Gil, I only said the seer shall tell us if he or she knows the last wolf. I see absolutely no reason why he or she shouldn't in that case. If he or she doesn't then he or she shouldn't! Same holds for the ranger. Gil, you worry me - deeply."
Sleepy Ranger
09-13-2006, 07:31 AM
"On the contrary." Sleepy Ranger spoke up. "Macalaure advised the seer and ranger to stay put. He only asked the seer to come out if they have seen the last wolf. If they have they will come out I'm certain of that." He pauses. "Well Gil-Galad, this does not look too good for you. I will refrain from voting right now. We'll see how it goes."
The ranger takes a look around the room. "Well, there's just one wolf left. One very desperate wolf. The wolf would probably be hoping to eliminate the seer at night so as to a prevent a list of confirmed innocents coming out. I'd like to ask the seer to leave clues in any manner they deem safe. Just something for us to build on in case the wolf does get lucky."
Thinlómien
09-13-2006, 07:43 AM
"There is one person in the village I haven't yet formed a clear picture about: Sleepy Ranger. At one phase he was looking quite suspicious to me, but now he's a total mystery. Now I think it's time to look at this 'talking questionmark' as I referred to him:
On Day One he:
(144) Talked nonsense about survival.
(162) Voted Macalaure. Reasoning: Well probably because of the way he has been.And other vague comments that way.
On Day Two he:
(195) Told his vote the day before was mostly random and says one should not expect good theories on the first day and accuses Mac from overreacting, because . . . from what you said it sounded like you have no reason to suspect me other than the fact that I voted for you.
(203) As he says it himself, stuck to his secretive style and voted Macalaure again. Says that it was because he wants to know more of Mac and explains: "If it makes no sense to you, which it probably won't, then you'll probably understand soon."
On Day Three he:
(224) Said this about Mac:"Well Macalaure, I shall come clean. I have suspected you mainly because of your tone in the start after that I took a bit of a stronger stance in the matter. Once earlier too, something similar had occured. The other party picked up on a small matter as this and came rather strongly. Those were ill times though. Maybe it isn't the same in this case so I'll let it rest for now." Also replied to Nogrod saying that people of his family are not lazy, but tend to have a slow start. Expressed slight suspicion of Nogrod.
(226) Said:"I'd just like to say that I'm not too trustful of the the people who have placed themselves as a reason that the wolves killed who they did. Namely, Gil-Galad and Nogrod." Said also: "As for Nogrod. He has questioned the wolves motives and brought up the names of Boromir88, Macalaure and Nogrod." A bit of pause and a puff more. "Now in my opinion any of those four could be a wolf. I reckon a closer look into these four is required."I quite missed something, who is the fourth? Boro, Mac, Noggie and who? Expressed strong suspicion of Nogrod and Gil.
(239) Voted Gil, because he had been edgy and one of his suspects. Believed Boro's innocent, was unsure of Mac and left Noggie be for a while though found him suspicious.
Today he has:
(268) Clarified Mac's words. Said: "Well Gil-Galad, this does not look too good for you. I will refrain from voting right now. We'll see how it goes." Asked the seer to leave clues.
That's all."
Thinlómien took another sip. "I didn't get any wiser summarising all this: I do not know what to think of him; I'm almost as clueless as I was before. He's difficult to grasp of, quite silent and a bit mysterious. Though his plea to the seer seems a bit ... weird."
Thinlómien
09-13-2006, 07:55 AM
"It's a bye-bye from me", Thinlómien sighed.
" ++Gil-Galad
he's the only one more suspicious to me than 'unsure of'."
Nogrod
09-13-2006, 08:33 AM
"The seer has had four dreamed of's of which some may have already died and leaving hints is a risky bussiness as the wolf also listens. We should leave that hint stuff to the seer to decide. S/he only knows how much info there is and how safe s/he feels."
Nogrod stood up from the chair he had fallen in the morning. "Excuse for some time. I hear a choir singing in my head and the sound must come from somewhere. I'll take a look to see if there is one around. I'll be back later..."
Boromir88
09-13-2006, 08:53 AM
'As far as today goes, here's who I feel good and safe about:
Macalaure
Nogrod
Volo
'I've wondered what's been the suspicion brewing around Mac has been about. I catch no evil wolf intent. He did strongly stir suspicions against Menel, he started the voting of Menel, he's been just as helpful as anyone. I really don't understand Sleepy's reasoning, or anyone else's as far as why Mac is a wolf. To me there are several more noticeable wolf probabilities.'
'If Nogrod's a wolf, he would be the greatest back-stabbing, yet brilliant wolf to have ever been cursed. That's the end of that.'
'Volo, started voting with Valesse yesterday (and I believe he was really the first one that started suspecting her), I said he seemed innocent to me, now he's got a wolf lynch under his belt. Much like Mac, I catch no evil intent.'
'I feel better about Kath than I did a few days ago. I ask Kath that you don't go away and that you contribute in whatever ways you can. Your input is needed, I assure you.'
'I'm not unsure about Thinlomien, and still unsure about Naria. Lommy remarked that Naria had been talking quite a bit, more than usual, and now she's gone back to disappearing basically...hmmm. And Lommy seems like she talks a lot of game, but's got nothing to back it up. What I mean is I kind have taken her for granted, and she's slipped behind the scenes, under the radar. At first I thought I could take her as innocent because of Menel going after her, but now that we're getting down here, I notice that no one's really talking about her, which is dangerous. With such a high innocent to wolf ratio, perhaps I'm looking too deeply, but I'm unsure about Thinlomien now. There are people higher on my suspicions right now, but let's not forget our elf amongst us.'
'Which leaves me most suspicious of Sleepy and Gil. I think a strong case has been brought up against Gil, but I would not urge everyone to bandwagon on him here, let's just wait and see what develops. Sleepy is one that's beginning to worry me as well. His 'seer leave us hints' is awkward, perhaps he's trying to be a helpful innocent, or perhaps he's just trying to appear that way?'
'And speaking in Lommy's favor she has done a good job looking at Sleepy. He seems to sway a bit in his thinking. At first his suspicions of Mac were just jokes, as it was day 1 and nothing real logical or analytic can come from Day 1. Then he says his suspicions on Mac were not him joking, and he's suspected him because of his tone. Hmm...much more to ponder.'
Kath arrived back, bearing another piece of paper. At the assembled groans she was quick to reassure everyone that this was not another summary. No, this was an analysis, or more precisely three.
“These are the people that either I am suspicious of or that have come up in conversation a lot recently. I have only done three because it was exhausting enough getting this done, never mind anyone else.”
Lommy:
Day 1:
Mostly talk but mentions some suspicion of Menel.
Speaks sense, trying to get everyone to discuss things without prior prejudice affecting ideas, but that use of the word ‘victim’ still niggles.
Voted Naria because she had been just chatting, not saying anything helpful, which is fair reasoning.
Day 2:
Suspects Valesse (correctly) and says she will watch Naria. Trusts Boro, Nog and Mac, with pretty good reasoning behind each decision.
Suspects Kath for her summary and Boro for his reaction to it. I see some confusion here though, as she attacks me for ‘throwing suspicion to all directions I can’, but then accuses Boro of twisting my words and finding too many suspects, and finally says she can only see three suspects from my words. It seems odd to me. Also, again there’s that contention issue of whether Lommy was trusted by the rest of the village at the time, she thinks yes, I think no.
Suspected Kath, Valesse and Di, perhaps on the basis of Boro’s suspicions. However she does have reasoning of her own. Also begins to suspect Sleepy for his secretive style and lack of reasoning.
Votes Di because she’s the only suspect she can get lynched, but then takes a drink ‘in memory of Di in case she’s innocent’. Apologising for killing someone before their role has been discovered has often been seen as suspicious, and though this isn’t technically an apology it’s as close to one as you can get without actually saying sorry.
Day 3:
Agrees with Naria about Gil looking suspicious, and also agrees with Noggie that those who were killed by the wolves should be looked at in more detail, which is fair of course. Then says she will re-look at Boro, Noggie and Mac to see how important they were in Menel’s lynching. But this follows the sentence saying she will leave them be because of Menel’s lynching. Still, I suppose this could be typical Lommy flip-flopping. Also promises an analysis of Kath.
Analyses the lynch of Menel, clearing Boro and Nogrod, and almost clearing Mac. This is all great, it’s just that she seems to be working off and trying to argue against the summary I came up with on Day 2, which by this time was out of date already. Says she will vote for Kath, Valesse or Sleepy, presumably based on the points from Day 2.
Adds that Valesse did suspect Menel a bit.
Votes Kath due to edginess in her words (still looking for an explanation on that Lommy) and due to her previous comments.
Day 4:
Thinks Noggie and Boro innocent or one of them has killed two of their fellows. Suspects Gil for his words, but oddly. She says it is of no real consequence if one more innocent dies. Well, no it isn’t I suppose, but we’ll still be better off with as many innocents as possible. Also that he is silent and doesn’t contribute much. Actually, this is the most and best I’ve seen Gil contribute in a long time. If anything the fact that he’s in the conversation more should be the suspicious factor.
Tries to deflect Mac’s suspicions and then turns on him, saying he was overly defensive. Then says she is not as suspicious of Kath as she was because her defence was convincing. Two rather conflicting statements there. Thinks Volo and Naria innocent (ish) with reasoning and Gil and Sleepy suspicious, but without reasoning. Answers Kath about the word-twisting thing, seems there was some kind of misunderstanding there so I’ll let it go.
Analyses Sleepy and finds him mysterious and silent, and thinks his plea to the Seer odd.
Votes Gil because he’s the only one she’s more than unsure of.
Sleepy:
Day 1:
Some talk, also tells everyone he will try to ensure the welfare of the village by staying alive, an interesting statement. And there was a sentence of his that caught my eye: ‘I regret that somebody will have to see the end today but such are things.’ Just seemed odd given the fact that we’re supposed to be lynching wolves, creatures we certainly aren’t sad to see go.
Votes Mac, ‘probably because of the way he has been’. Terrible reasoning if there is nothing behind it, and if there is we need to know what that reasoning was, not cryptic words.
Day 2:
Says he will not give a reason for his vote, claiming no one could have one on Day 1, certainly not true. Continues to suspect Mac, thinking he overreacted to suspicion and voted Sleepy because Sleepy voted him. I don’t like the tone but this doesn’t really strike me as suspicious.
Votes Mac because he wants to know more about him. It isn’t great reasoning for a vote, mostly because he doesn’t give any reason to want to know more about him.
Day 3:
Suspected Mac because of his tone, unclear as to whether he has stopped suspecting him now. Argues with Nogrod that he isn’t ‘lazy and uninterested’. Then says he has three suspects, but doesn’t care to share them with the rest of us.
Mentions suspicion of Gil for mentioning the paradox and Nogrod for … can’t find a reason other than because he claimed the wolves killed due to his ideas. Then says he also suspects Boro and Mac, then backtracks and says not Boro, and maybe not Mac really either. Now, I might be used to this from Lommy, but flip-flopping like this is pretty odd.
Votes Gil because he is the most suspicious of the four suspects and he would rather keep Noggie alive for now.
Day 4:
Notes Gil’s comment and finds it understandably odd. Also asks the Seer to leave hints.
Gil:
Day 1:
First post is talk, but got everyone talking, even if it was about pancakes.
More talk.
Votes Valier for no reason.
Day 2:
I think Gil is saying that a) werewolves will vote for each other to save their own lives, b) werewolves would not all vote for one person if they can kill them during the Night, though I’m not sure what that was in answer to. Any chance of some clarification on that Gil? Whatever the case, this doesn’t necessarily hold true, as all wolves act differently, but it is the most sense Gil had spoken in two Day’s.
Votes Valier because he thinks Menel voted for her to keep us off her track. He was incorrect, but perhaps this latest gunning for Gil is something of a set up. I don’t know, maybe I’m just looking for conspiracies. He could be a wolf and killed Valier to clear his own trail.
Day 3:
Gil mentions the two options I was musing over before, either he’s a wolf or he’s being set up as one.
Gil is surprisingly undefensive, which makes me inclined to think him innocent. I’m not entirely sure what he’s saying though. Looks like, he was suspicious of Valier especially after Menel voted for her so that she wouldn’t be voted off next Night (this was when he thought she was a wolf), and he thinks the wolves are trying to set him up. This is followed by a rather impulsive vote designed to prove absolutely that he is not working with Nogrod. Perhaps not the best way to use the votes, but it is one way.
Day 4:
Gets defensive, saying just because he writes short posts doesn’t mean he’s useless, and that long posts don’t necessarily equal trust, a point of view I’ve held for a long time. Says a vote for him is not a real loss but does mean the real wolf gets away for longer as they can use him as a scapegoat. Now for all that this sounds like a little rant, I think it does have some truth to it, especially in that were I to have to defend myself I would be saying something along much the same lines.
Votes Mac for his comment about the Seer revealing. It seems that Gil misunderstood here, as this was not what Mac said at all.
“My findings therefore are that Gil is innocent, and that Lommy and Sleepy both look pretty guilty but Lommy more so. However, given my track record that probably means that we should lynch Gil and assume Lommy is innocent! I won’t vote now, I want to watch for a while longer, I just wish I could be sure of what I’m thinking.”
Sighing she sat down and stared morosely into her mug as though it would give her the answers she sought.
Naria
09-13-2006, 11:53 AM
Naria walked through the door of Wilwa's pub and found no one there. "hmmm where has everyone gone." She pondered for a moment and remembered Volo's inn. "Maybe they have all gone there for some refreshments." Upon opening the door she heard alot of talk about who is guilty and who is innocent. Naria pulled up a stool at the bar and ordered a cool tea from Volo. She took a couple of sips and thought it best to let everyone know her take on the situation.
"I know that some of you are finding it strange that I am a wee bit more talkative in this village, but I assure you all that it is because I want nothing but the best for us and I want everyone to know where I am coming from. The only way to do that is to be more vocal and let you know what is going on in my head." With that she openend a notebook and began reading her findings. She cleared her throat and began, "Ermm, I findLommy, Kath, Mac, and Boro to be innocent. I never really suspected any of these...lest one, Mac has made much sense since my vote for him and I will let him be for now.
"Now for the ones that I find to be either suspicious or just don't have a clear picture of. I will start with Gil...I find him to be mildly suspicious. Mildly because of some of the things he has said, but he seems to be trying to contribute more in this village...so because of that I will let him go for now. I know that him being more vocal could be taken either way, but I'm just not getting a strong 'Kill Gil' feeling from him.
Volo does have a pretty good grasp of how a village of this sort is to be handled, that alone makes me suspicious...but he has made pretty good sense. He is one of the people that I do not have a clear picture of.
Sleepy has said quite a bit...some has made sense other stuff hasn't...I put him on my suspicious list because he has said a couple of times that we will see what he means about something, but we have yet to 'see what he means'. He has been rather flip-floppy which is kinda unlike him and is dodgy with queries that come his way. Kath did a good job with a Sleepy analysis for referral.
And last but certainly not least there isNogrod. You my friend have been acting the most suspicous this whole time. I noticed the change in behaviour during Day two and I mentioned it in my 'thoughts of everyone' post, but you failed to address my findings of you. Very uncharacteristic of an innocent Noggy. You continue to be biased towards most everyone and continue to go with the person that is being talked about the most that day...today it is Gil. What I also found strange was you mentioned how much of an asset Valier is in a village and then low and behold look who turns up dead the next morning. Another thing I find odd is how can you be soooo sure of Boro's innocence? Unless you are the seer and have dreamt of him, which I doubt that you are. I have also put Boro on my innocent list, but that isn't concrete...that could change by tomorrow. You have kept him right by your side for a couple days now. I have thumbed through some history books and you are not the kind of person to stay so cool and collected, especially with only one wolf left to find."
Naria closed her notebook and took another sip of her tea. In the back of her mind she hoped that she was not wrong in her suspicions. She would sit and talk for a little while longer before she made her vote, but she was pretty sure who was going to receive it.
Sleepy Ranger
09-13-2006, 12:48 PM
"I have to leave now. Urgent matters to attend to. I'm completely unsure who to vote for and do not wish to make a mistake here since I have no real idea who to go with today. I'll vote
++Kath
Solely because I don't believe there will be much chance of her being lynched." And with that the Ranger hurried off.
Macalaure
09-13-2006, 01:01 PM
Macalaure sniffed at the apple juice Thinlómien gave him suspiciously. He sipped and found it alright.
"I have to say that Kath's analysis of Thinlómien was better than anything I could have produced. Cheers!
The only things that made me suspicious about her were her Day1-analysis on Day3 (typical wolvish looking helpful without being helpful?) and her quick jump on Gil-Galad today. I'm not sure what to think about her Sleepy-analysis. I found no obvious fault in it, but then she concluded to not be wiser about him. Wouldn't a wolf try to raise the shared suspicion about him? I don't share Kath's conclusion of Lommy. She doesn't shout wolf, at least not at me. I'm leaning more to the innocent side with her, though with a somewhat bad feeling.
Naria, if you think Nogrod is too cool to be innocent, then why isn't he also too cool to be a wolf? Why would he urge the lynching of two wolves and get himself in this not-so-good situation? Impossible this is not, but come, there are more likely suspects out there. By the way, considering the behaviour and subsequent success of his father, I wouldn't be surprised if Nogrod is purposefully acting calmer."
Macalaure sat back uneasily sipping his juice.
"I'm still very unsure about whom I will vote for today."
Nogrod
09-13-2006, 01:34 PM
Nogrod came back in, humming a song he had been singing with the choir outside. He was clearly in good mood and even his head felt like it had cleared a bit. As he went to the desk to have a pint he heard Naria's questions concerning him.
"With pleasure sister. Lemme see. What was it you said? Oh yes.You my friend have been acting the most suspicous this whole time. I noticed the change in behaviour during Day two and I mentioned it in my 'thoughts of everyone' post, but you failed to address my findings of you. Very uncharacteristic of an innocent Noggy.And here you probably refer to this:
"Nogrod, I realize that you are trying to stay 'in character', but I am not sure what you are doing. My lorebooks tell me that you are a person that takes the bull by the horns per se, but you are not...you are interested in keeping the talkers around but other than that there isn't much in the way of leadership from you. Infact, you are quite the opposite.Okay. I can't quite see this biting in any direction. Sorry sis. My interpretation of what I have done is a bit different. At least I think I have tried to take the bull by the horns as well as I have been able. And I think you should give me a bit more credit than wishing the talkers to live. But that surely is your choice what you count and what you do not. And I failed to address these thoughts earlier. Sorry for that, but many times a wise innocent doesn't jump on defending oneself after all points thrown over them. All lorebook owners know that "over-defenciveness" is not looked trustingly - and I didn't just see the point in answering them at the time. But surely, if urged to answer, I'll happily do that.
You continue to be biased towards most everyone and continue to go with the person that is being talked about the most that day...today it is Gil.I'm not quite sure what you mean by this one. I mean being biased? And yes, I have gone with all those I have seen suspicious enough to be considered good cases to make an effort with the limited time I have during Days this time. And did you look at who started the discussion over Gil toDay? :)
What I also found strange was you mentioned how much of an asset Valier is in a village and then low and behold look who turns up dead the next morning.I can't control the way wolves make their choises during the night my dear... but I surely can understand that kill from their behalf: a member of a Valier family who is gearing up is a threat to them. If they can in the same instance throw some suspicion over other villagers it would suit them all the better.
Another thing I find odd is how can you be soooo sure of Boro's innocence? Unless you are the seer and have dreamt of him, which I doubt that you are.Your interpretation of me still baffles I and I. I think I have mentioned it a few times that I tend to trust Boro. Yes I do. But I have never said I'm sure, or soooo sure about it. I have said that too. No, I'm not the seer but it has to do with the things he has said, done and accomplished. And here I can agree with Boro's words on myself: If Nogrod's a wolf, he would be the greatest back-stabbing, yet brilliant wolf to have ever been cursed. The same I would say of Boro. And even though I think of him as a highly skilled player on board, you should look at what Maca says. That kind of double back-stabbing would not be wise as now the wolf faces eight villagers alone and the seer still is on our side with the ranger.
I have thumbed through some history books and you are not the kind of person to stay so cool and collected, especially with only one wolf left to find."Here also I notice Maca-man to have said already what I was about to say. Your lorebooks should also tell of many of my forefathers talking - and somewhat managing - of tuning down. And my father in the last game surely is a case in point. From him I learned a lot about the importance of trying to stay calm and tuned down a bit. I know I can't stick to that everytime I open my mouth, but I do try.
Is that okay for you my sister?"
With that Nogrod draughted the last of the pint, ordered another one and went back to the chair he had been sitting almost the whole day in his wild trips. But now he was awake. I'll have to look at these recent discussions more closely, seems like interesting things has been said here, he thought to himself and settled down.
"Friends! You have done well today, or most of you...
Nogrod and Boromir are on the safe side. Then I think Kath is innocent also, forgive me for being too quick to judge.
Lommy is growing higher on my suspect list, each day she has voted a different person and no wolves have been proved so far, Diamond was innocent." Volo said the last part sadly biting his teeth together. "I feel that she is really cunning."
It is possible that Naria is wolf, but now she isn't the main suspect. She did have really many suspects on the way and missed a vote on the second day... Missing a vote can't be that serious, but still... Only today she stated of any trust. Also suspecting Nogrod so badly doesn't seem too good, either Nogrod is a real genious mastermind with some really wierd strategy or then he is innocent.
Gil doesn't seem that bad to me, but then again, I don't know his family history as well as everybody else here... His newest vote did seem strange. Mac is rather on the safe side from my part... Also his comment about the ranger hiding seems odd, as if he's buying time.
Now today, I must say, my main suspect is Sleepy Ranger! He's been talking rather much, but I don't see much sence in many of his posts... He doesn't "trust" anybody either, which is strange to me. He has suspected the big three and Gil most, as I see it. Now the oddest thing is his vote today, I bet, if he's an innocent, he should have better suspects...
EDIT: Cross-posted with Nogrod
"Well, the most suspicious of you is
++Sleepy Ranger,
so this is it. It's all or nothing. Sleep well, my sleepy "friend"!"
Volo retreated to his room.
Boromir88
09-13-2006, 02:28 PM
'Between Sleepy and Gil, I think Gil is more likely a wolf. It's rather hard to tell because he is, I think, acting rather bold for a wolf. He's mysterious, quiet, contradicts himself a lot, just doesn't seem to be how the lone wolf would be acting in this situation. But see this is where I get into trouble, I often think that someone is too bold to be a wolf, therefor that person can't be a wolf.'
'Then there's Gil, who lashed out just a little bit today. I din't think he's been useless, and as Kath points out he's had things to say. Though I think Gil looks like he's in a desperate spot, as I've never known one from his family to act the way he's done today.'
Kath had not found anything in her mug to make her any the wiser and it was getting late.
"It is time for me to vote, and though my thoughts have proved wrong in the past lets hope I have it right this time.
++LOMMY
My suspicions haven't changed in the last few hours, and I can't shake the feeling that there is something wrong about Lommy. My analysis of her holds more concrete reasons why."
And with that, she left.
Boromir88
09-13-2006, 02:51 PM
Boromir realized that he may not have been so clear in his last post so, to clear everying up, he addressed everyone in the Inn 'When I said 'It's hard to tell because he is,...' The he, I meant was Sleepy, just in case if that wasn't clear.'
Macalaure
09-13-2006, 03:01 PM
With a deep sigh Macalaure lifted himself off his chair.
"I think I will vote for Gil-Galad today. He seemed very tense to me, and there should be no reason to, as were doing good at the moment. Also, why did Valesse not vote for him yesterday?
Still, I'm not very happy with my vote. After all I'm not that suspicious of him, but I'm even less suspicious about the rest...
So,
++Gil-Galad"
Nogrod
09-13-2006, 03:01 PM
"My reason to think of Gil as a wolf relies mainly on what Valesse did last night. So it's not his own making, in a sense. Within the same breath, I agree with the point made by some, that his quite verbal and passionate defence was something my lorebooks stand in dark contrast to. It might be genuine and as such I could understand it very well. But for a veteran family like his is, it assuredly seems an odd difference in behaviour. And there still is the problem of Valesse last evening. Maybe she was totally baffled, tense, over-agitated, late, whatever? Out of her wits - or at least anything like a better judgement - she must have been if Gil is not a wolf. That fact I think is hard to get around. And it casts a grim shadow over Gil."
Nogrod was toying with his empty pint and tried to concentrate a bit more before going to get another one.
"The things said over our sister Lommy and brother Sleepy deserve a second look by all of us. That's what I think. And I try to think of them even this evening. But all the three can't be wolves as there is only one left - if there are no extra tricksies involved. I kinda have a bad feeling about that last possibility. Like something in my dreams before we got thrown in here would have said that there could be something like that... So there might be still a surprise awaiting even if we get the things right with normal standards."
Nogrod thought his own words for a while and then stood up, getting to the desk only to see that Volo had already left. He walked to the other side of the desk and poured himself a new pint, leaving a few coins to the counter.
"So getting it right toDay would be the best. That's why all of us still awake and present should speak out now. Together we see more than anyone of us alone, and basically there's only one wolf along to muddy the waters. Of other things we do not know and thence can't quite openly react to them. But that just to remind us..."
Nogrod was staggering somewhat as he went back to his place.
EDIT: X-talked with a burst of discussion...
Boromir88
09-13-2006, 03:35 PM
'This is the most unsure I've been so far' Boromir said surprisingly weakly and with little confidence in his voice. 'Gil's been the most suspicious one today.'
++Gil-galad
Nogrod
09-13-2006, 03:36 PM
"I've just tried to recollect things Kath said in her summary over Lommy and taken a short look of my own." Nogrod said and took a look over the remaining villagers at the bar.
"We have three votes left, brother and sister. Let's use them wisely.
Firstly and the most condemningly: she was almost too happy to go after Gil this morning. I mean it looked a bit strange, check yourselves. If she were a nervous loner-wolf, it would be understandable. Someone had made a credible case against someone else than the last remaining wolf (herself?), so that would have been all she could hope for and she was all too happy to jump the waggon - or trying to create it in the first place? This really makes me think...
Two lesser notes still.
A more experienced Lommy, taught by her grannies of several generations, might have learned her the trick of using that flip-flop as a tactics. What's better for a wolf than not having to make any points and stand behind them as everyone just waits her to contradict herself on the next speech? :D
Secondly her "saying sorry" about Di as pointed out by Kath. I know we all feel guilty and insecure after we have voted for another villager. Surely we don't know the outcome of our votes but just hope for the best. But who would underline that with her own vote if not the wolf?
But will these make a case over her? The first one looks bad, the others might be explained away. I still think I'm going for Gil with the kind of clear reasons in his case. I'll try to have a time for Sleepy too, but the time seems to be running out..."
Nogrod fell back to lean to the chair and took a small sip this time.
X-sipped my beer over Boro
Naria
09-13-2006, 03:39 PM
Why would he urge the lynching of two wolves and get himself in this not-so-good situation?
"Well first of all that is what a fanged Nogrod would do. Two of his comrads are dead. He needs to do something. So yeah, that would be the perfect plan...he is more than capable of looking after himself without the other two's help. He knows he can do it...just a little schmoozing with the right people is all it takes. And obviously by this Nogrod is a real genius mastermind with some really wierd strategy or then he is innocenthis plan is working :rolleyes: .
And once again Noggy you are jumping on who is 'the most popular today game'. How incredibly evil of you, Naria said with a sarcastic giggle. Gil is by no means a threat...he never has been and maybe never will be. You mentioned something about reacting 'over-defense' in regards to my theory post. Well I wasn't talking about overly defensiveness, no I was talking about a comment...that's all just a comment. Come now Nog...you know that you can't resist when you are an ordo."
If I happen to be alive tomorrow...I will continue this discussion then...for now I will cast my vote."
++Nogrod
Oh and to the Seer...I think it would be a really good idea to have a dream about Nogrod tonight. I know I am on to something here :)
Nogrod
09-13-2006, 03:47 PM
Nogrod realised what had happened while he had been sipping his latest sip. He counted the votes in his head once again, trying to make it right. "Okay Gil-pal, you are lynched tonight. And I think that so far you are the best candidate.
++ Gil-Galad"
Just hope we don't have to continue this toMorrow anymore... With that he fell back to the chair once again, taking a long draught of the ale.
X-talked with Naria
Nogrod
09-13-2006, 03:58 PM
"Oh Naria. I just heard what you said but I'm not sure whether you have listened to what I have said in my turn. If we are around tomorrow, let's discuss this.
But just a short note to the ranger - sorry if you already thought of that. But be careful with your choice toNight. It will most probably be a wasted choice as the one of the last night will be killed toNight anyway (if the rules are what they have used to be so no guardianship of the same person two nights in a row - maybe you should check that out?). So think carefully, who you would like to protect the Night after the upcoming one. Sorry. No undervaluing of your thinking skills here, just a remainder if you had forgotten. I mean: If the one killed toNight is not the seer, and the wolf is still at loss, that is most important...
Just felt I had to say that one out."
Gil-Galad
09-13-2006, 04:17 PM
sigh... fine, end my torture here, actually i'll even help you!! the sooner you vote me off the better!
--Macalaure
++Gil-Galad
(not sure about retractable votes)
Gil-Galad - Ordinary Villager, may the villagers rest in peace at the injustice.
Gil-Galad
09-13-2006, 04:23 PM
also, you do know that you are leaving your discussions about whose the wolf and voting me out instead, a unnessercery side-step.
also, after my lynching i would look at everyone that voted for me, because a wolf would probably go with majority to save himself if he gets accused for voting for an innocent, then the wolf will bring up the other villagers that voted.
Glirdan
09-13-2006, 06:15 PM
The villagers gathered at the end of the Day to vote, their spirits fell. They knew that the probability of lynching an innocent was higher than finding the final Wolf. But they gathered to vote anyway.
When Wilwa gathered the votes, it was Gil who was to be lynched. When they looked around to find him, he had disappeared.
"Where did he go?" said an annoyed Boromir. "I want to get his body burried ASAP."
They searched the entire village. Finally, they went back to his restaurant and found him. He had put a gigantic cauldron on a giant fire and had went in himself. He had burned to death. His body was charred and full of blisters. The reason why is because he forgot to put the lid on when he got in.
The villagers walked away, utterly disgusted that one would take their own life.
Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Mauled to death on Night 1
Meneltarmacil (wolf) - Squished into a pancake on Day 1
JennyHallu (innocent) - Killed and her body stolen on Night 2
Diamond (innocent) - Hanged on Day 2
Valier (innocent) - Killed, ripped to pieces and hidden in her study on Night 3
Valesse (wolf) - Burned to a crisp on Day 3
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Killed himself in a pot on Day 4
Alive
Naria
Nogrod
Boro
Sleepy Ranger
Lommy
Macalaure
Volo
Kath
Night 5 starts. I need a name from teh Wolf, Ranger and Seer. Sorry once again for the lateness.
Glirdan
09-14-2006, 04:06 PM
Boromir sat up in bed, startled from a dream he was having. "That's two Days in a row!" he cried exasperatedly.
He got up and went to his kitchen for a drink. It was then that he heard a deep snarl behind him.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~
The villagers gathered the next morning, dreading what they would find. They counted and found that Boromir had disappeared.
They walked over to his house and entered, quaking with fright. They entered and saw that the place was completely trashed. His bed was ripped to shreads, there were deep gahes in the wall.
They searched and searched the house, trying to find Boromir's body, but they couldn't.
They went out and searched the yard.
Out of no where, a sharp cry rent the air. Everyone rushed around the house to find Naria sprawled spread eagle on the ground. She had tripped on a hump in the ground.
"Wait a minute," Sleepy said slowly. "This hump of earth looks freshly dug up!" he grabbed a nearby shovel and started shovelling away the earth.
Then everyone let out a horrified scream. There in the bottom of the hole was the body of Boromir, and in his open hand lay his eyes which had been gouged out. Boromir was the village Seer.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~
Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Mauled to death on Night 1
Meneltarmacil (wolf) - Squished into a pancake on Day 1
JennyHallu (innocent) - Killed and her body stolen on Night 2
Diamond (innocent) - Hanged on Day 2
Valier (innocent) - Killed, ripped to pieces and hidden in her study on Night 3
Valesse (wolf) - Burned to a crisp on Day 3
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Killed himself in a pot on Day 4
Boromir (seer) - Killed, burried and eyes gouged out on Night 5
Alive
Naria
Nogrod
Sleepy Ranger
Lommy
Macalaure
Volo
Kath
Day 5 starts. Start posting.
Kath was awake early this morning, and though there was no one about yet to hear her words (other than wilwa), she thought she'd say them anyway.
"Well, guess it's time to go trawling back through Boro's posts for clues. We won't find the guilty one because if he'd dreamt of the final wolf before yesterDay he would have revealed, but it might give us some innocents. I must say that while it doesn't do us any good Gil being dead, I am glad that he was innocent. I'd have hated to get things that wrong. That being said, now that I'm a little more secure in my abilities again, I think I'm going to continue to keep an eye on Lommy and Sleepy.
I'll do Boro for now though, and I hope others will as well, everyone finds different things in analyses and we need all the innocents we can get! We may still be 6:1 up at the moment, but it may not last."
Having gone over most of the things said the past few Days Kath spoke to the still empty room. She had, however, noticed an incredible ability among the villagers to hear things while miles away, so had no qualms about putting her ideas down now.
“Alright, here is the Boro analysis I said I'd do. If I repeat myself anywhere from previous speeches I apologise but then I was looking at him as a wolf not the Seer, so I have to re-evaluate, and that means I have to go back over everything.
Boromir:
Day 1:
Post 121: Immediately suspected Menel so it is possible he’d already dreamt of him.
Post 133: Again goes against Menel quite strongly and then looks at Mac as well, though less seriously.
Post 141: Shows support for Nogrod (if he is the man from Harad). Still finding Menel most suspicious (the continued attack on him does seem to suggest Boro had dreamt of him, it’s hard to be that sure that fast). Thinks either Lommy or Naria is suspicious, the guilt of one depending on the innocence of the other.
Post 149: Finds Di suspicious for her vote and says he will want an explanation, possibly an indication of his next dream.
Post 159: Reiterates his suspicion of Menel.
Post 163: Votes Menel based on his suspicions all Day.
Post 169: Pops back up but has nothing to say.
Day 2:
Post 174: Just makes his presence known.
Post 180: Not suspicious of Mac, Nogrod, Lommy, Valier and Naria. Obviously he couldn’t have dreamt of all of those but it is possible that a dream is somewhere in there. If it’s Valier it’s of little help though. Suspected Valesse, Di, Volo, Gil, Sleepy or Kath and of course may have dreamt of Valesse, which again wouldn’t be much help now.
Post 185: The confusion over my summary, but within that seems to clear Lommy, Mac and Nogrod. Begins to suspect Naria.
Post 194: Small argument with Lommy but doesn’t offer up any suspicion of her.
Post 200: Went on to clear Gil and add Naria to his worried list. Said he’d vote Kath, Di or Valesse. He has good reasoning for me and Valesse but little behind Di, which makes me suspect she was his next dream.
Post 206: Agrees with Nogrod about keeping Kath and Lommy around. Finds Di most suspicious but thinks Valesse most likely to be a wolf.
Post 210: Votes Di because she had already been voted for while Valesse hasn’t. This makes me wonder if maybe he hadn’t dreamt of Valesse, or surely he’d have gone after her more strongly.
Day 3:
Post 218: Passes judgement on Valesse pretty strongly, I’m pretty certain he’d dreamt of her by this point. Clears Volo, but he hadn’t mentioned much suspicion of him the Day before so it seems an unlikely dream.
Post 219: Defends himself against Naria, who had jumped on him pretty harshly, just as she did with me. It seems overly bold and attention getting playing for a wolf, but it could be nerves showing through, she could be worth looking at.
Post 225: Little more arguing with Naria, absolutely clears Nogrod, so he is a possible dream too.
Post 235: Begins his attack on Valesse, got to be a dream with that level of surety.
Post 246: Defends himself against me this time and then continues his attack on Valesse, finally voting for her.
Day 4:
Post 261: Obviously didn’t dream of the wolf as he doesn’t go after anyone, also didn’t dream of Gil, but picked up the case against him anyway.
Post 263: Tells Volo a revealing Seer will be the real one.
Post 272: Clears Mac, Nogrod and Volo. Now, if he did dream of both Menel and Valesse that only leaves two dreams free, so if two of those are certainties one is not. He has reasoning for Mac, but more just feelings for Nogrod and Volo, which makes me think the latter two would be the dreams (if any of them are though, it is possible this was all just guesswork). Is ok about me but not sure, so I doubt that was a dream. Unsure about Lommy and Naria so presumably hadn’t dreamt of them. Finds Sleepy and Gil most suspicious.
Post 280: Finds Gil more suspicious than Sleepy due to his behaviour.
Post 282: Adds clarity to his previous post.
Post 285: Votes Gil with admitted unsurety.
Now, I’m assuming Boro has had four dreams, but, toDay’s narration mentioned that Boro had been disturbed from his dreams two Day’s (presumably Night’s) in a row, so is it possible that he’s only had three? Going by that worst case scenario, that means he likely only dreamt of one innocent, because I’d be pretty surprised if it turned out he hadn’t dreamt of both Menel and Valesse.
If that is the case, I’d take the final cleared list of Mac, Nogrod and Volo into question, as only one of those could definitely be innocent, and it may be that he dreamt of none of those. Out of the three I am not sure who I would believe the one dreamt of to be. It seems like it should be Volo, as Boro did such a sudden U-turn on him from one Day to the next, but the Night the dream would have been done was the Night I believe he dreamt of Valesse so I’m really not sure about that. Plus, Volo is worrying me slightly, I will look at him properly later and see if I can work out why. Boro felt Nogrod and Mac innocent from the beginning, which actually makes it unlikely he dreamt of either, though he might have to make sure.
Basically, I’m stuck. All I can figure is that he did dream of the two wolves we have lynched, did not dream of the final wolf, and dreamt of at least one innocent. Who that innocent is I really have no idea! Perhaps though that is better, as it means the wolves don’t have a specific target for toNight. On the other hand it might be worse, we still have a Ranger, and they might be next in line to die. If we lose two more innocents and neither is the one the Ranger protected he/she might have to reveal if only to get back the numbers advantage. Until then though, silence would be prudent.
Now, all this is pure speculation. I hope everyone else looks over all of Boro’s posts as well, because we might have more to go on that way.
As for my suspicions, they lie with Lommy, Volo and Naria, and I will look at all three toDay if it’s possible. Right now though I must get on with my work!"
Kath left, hoping more people would have arrived by the time she got back.
Nogrod
09-14-2006, 06:23 PM
"I heard you Kath!" Nogrod said, coming in as Kath was about to leave.
"You speak well my sister and I and I have had to rethink a few things meself was sure about just a moment ago. Just waitaminute..." Nogrod tried to concentrate and then finally spoke. He almost seemed sober this morning.
Boro clearly seems to offer us a Seer-list of innocents in #272, just look how the speech is made: the innocents bolded on their separate lines and the rest in-text etc. But why should he mix unknowns with the knowns and thence baffle us? So I tend to believe they are true innocents, at least for now.
That is based on the following:
One of the wolf kills were made by reason and not by a dream, but that I think very likely, and would say that Menel was the one caught without a dream. If you look at it closely, Boro's first suspicion of Menel was the third real post of the game #121 (not counting Wilva's post). So before Boro's first quite non-substantial accusation there were only a post by Menel (purely random accusation to open the game) and one by Gil ("let's eat some pancakes"). Then Boro's second post #133 consisted of a counter-rant against Menel's answer to Boro #123. Typical first posts. Then it was I and I who took to making a more serious argument over Menel in #139. And those basically were the arguments by which Menel was brought to the grave. So very possibly a death without a dream.
Your interpretation of the narration seems to me flawed. I thought Boromir sat up in bed, startled from a dream he was having. "That's two Days in a row!" he cried exasperatedly. meaning that he had been tried to be killed already the last Night, which would sound very probable indeed. Anyway, I think it's quite standard stuff that there are no major hints in the narrations.
So Boro has had three dreams of innocents? I come back to my earlier question: why would he have made the post #272 in the way he made it and still include actually known and just hunched innocents in it? That would be just weird.
And at least to my eyes the choices look quite reasonable indeed. Myself, Maca, Valesse(after Volo had suspected her earlier as Boro said himself) and Volo. If you look at the game dynamics that makes sense.
Were it that way, we should be optimistic right now. It might be a game of 1/4. And the Ranger would prove to be a real help... Just think about it. And I mean it. If you others find flaws in this, let's forget my ideas, but at least now I'm quite convinced."
With that Nogrod fell to the chair, just too sober to stay awake one minute.
Naria
09-15-2006, 01:00 AM
All Naria could do at this point was to shake her head in dismay. She begged the question to all that were present, "What part of Gil is not a threat did you not understand? For that matter...when has he ever been a threat?! Just because some of you don't like the way that he tries and sort things out 'his way' and doesn't exactly make the most sense or he doesn't word his posts the way that some would like? I tell all of you, that is absolutely no reason to off someone. He made alot of sense with his dying words and I will certainly take heed and go back to look at those who voted for him."
Naria then took a long hard stare at Nogrod and wondered about his last comment But just a short note to the ranger - sorry if you already thought of that. But be careful with your choice toNight. It will most probably be a wasted choice as the one of the last night will be killed toNight anyway (if the rules are what they have used to be so no guardianship of the same person two nights in a row - maybe you should check that out?). So think carefully, who you would like to protect the Night after the upcoming one. Sorry. No undervaluing of your thinking skills here, just a remainder if you had forgotten. I mean: If the one killed toNight is not the seer, and the wolf is still at loss, that is most important "Ahem, I am a little confused by this statement. Why are you directing the Ranger? Our poor deceased Glirdy did not state that s/he could not dream of the same person two nights in a row(at least not that I can see). Yes one would assume that is the way it would go, but still there was no mention of it from him. Why not just let Glirdy decide or let that person know? You may have been wanting to look helpful, but it did not come across that way(at least to me anyway). Now I don't know if you honestly thought that Glirdy had that rule somewhere, but it almost seems to me like you didn't want to chance the Ranger maybe having the opportunity to protect that same person twice in a row and wanted to make it perfectly clear(to the ranger and maybe even Glirdan himself) that that isn't what the 'norm' is. So please clarify this for me...if you would. I just don't understand why you felt the need to slip that bit of info in right at the end of the Day."
Naria sat down in a nearby chair and opened her notebook again to have a look see at what Boro had to say.
Nogrod
09-15-2006, 01:23 AM
"Okay, I believe I have a consistent list of the dreams by Boro. Just check this out.
Night1: Nogrod
Night2: Maca
Night3: Valesse
Night4: Volo
Myself on Night one because I'm on the list and he seemed pretty confident with me through the game and I might make a sensible first dream; this would not the first time it happens.
Maca on Night2 because from Day2 onwards he seems consistently to clear Maca - which he didn't on Day1.
Then Valesse on Night3 because there were suspicions over her during Day2 started by Volo and Lommy to begin with, continued by Boro later - with continuos suspicions over Di and Kath. I agree with Kath: Boro would have made a stronger attempt at Valesse had he dreamt of her already on Night2 (So Maca sits right there). In the next morning he went openly against Val.
Night4 goes for Volo because there had been the suspicions of his being too knowledgeable "freshman" - and because he clears Volo on the next Day - alongside Maca and Myself.
Sounds reasonable? At least it fits like a hand in the glove."
With that Nogrod stood up and went out.
EDIT: X-talked with Naria
Thinlómien
09-15-2006, 01:59 AM
"I am pretty convinced of your theory, Nogrod", Thinlómien said, "I am ready take your, Volo's and Mac's innocence for granted unless it is revealed that Naria, Kath and Sleepy are all innocent."
Thinlómien sat down. "I propose that all other villagers besides me would trust these three gentlemen for a while as it seems quite obvious they're innocent, and we would all concentrate on lunching the unsures and narrowing down the possible suspects, lynching Kath, Naria, Sleepy and me that is."
"I have no idea which of the unsures is the last wolf - only that it's not me, but that still leaves three options -, though without thinking about it - by gut-feeling and my fragile recallings - I'd say that Mr. Sleepy here is the one were looking after."
"I'm in a desperate need of apple juice. I must make a clear picture of the other three unsures in my head, because, as I said, I don't know who of them is the remaining wolf."
She eyed her fellow villagers and added: "And I guess there are some questions and accusations from yesterday I must answer."
"Two works for me today it seems. Now, Wilwa, could I please have some fresh apple juice. That could do good for my brains."
Macalaure
09-15-2006, 03:59 AM
Macalaure joined the others with deep sorrow carven into his face.
"Alas! Boromir is dead! And the seer was he, it is as I feared. But let us now overcome our grief and try to not let the wolf deepen our sorrow for another night.
The first question is, of course, who did Boromir dream of?
Speech 272 is an innocent list, that is clear. But I'm not sure of the way you arranged them, Nogrod. He cleared you and Volo on day 3 already, so it's unlikely he dreamt of him the next night. I'd say:
Night 1: Nogrod - that fellow can be a fearful enemy. Good thing to dream of him even before you heard anything from him
Night 2: Valesse - unless I missed something, he didn't mention her on day 1. Maybe she was a blank paper for him. At the end of day 2 he said he rather wanted Valesse dead than Diamond.
Night 3: Volo - another blank paper thing? It's possible to switch Volo and Valesse around, but that's not so important.
Night 4: Macalaure - if this is true then it was a wasted dream. He shouldn't have dreamt of somebody he already felt innocent. It's possible my day 3-stupidity suddenly looked wolvish to him and he wanted to make sure. Damn me....
The next question, who of the rest is the remaining wolf.
I feel weird about Naria. It's been quite some time since I last agreed on any of her points, however, the way she gave her points was void of all sneakiness, to me. Would a wolf be so persistent in suspecting Nogrod? Even now?
Sleepy remains a not-so-much-talking question mark. I don't seem to get any smarter on him.
Kath's analyses have been very helpful to me. I've seen a few minor faults not worthy to be mentioned, but overall they're all quite objective and unbiased. Right now I think her innocent.
Which leaves me with Lommy. She could go both ways, too.
I need more thinking of this matter."
Thinlómien
09-15-2006, 04:06 AM
"Well, I'll start with myself" Thinlómien said, "after all we Elves are not that interested in mortals and their matters." She smiled.
"Now, Kath to your accusations: Also, again there's that contention issue of whether Lommy was trusted by the rest of the village at the time, she thinks yes, I think no. Oromë save me, I never believed I was trusted! I just wasn't suspected. They are two very different things.
Votes Di because she's the only suspect she can get lynched, but then takes a drink 'in memory of Di in case she's innocent'. Apologising for killing someone before their role has been discovered has often been seen as suspicious, and though this isn't technically an apology it's as close to one as you can get without actually saying sorry.I guess there is nothing to say, but that I wished not to be harsh for Diamond. And I was so unsre about her guilty. (If you read through you will discover that though she was a suspect of mine, she was not a main suspect.) Besides, we Elves tend to respect those going to die, that weird gift of Ilúvatar's.
Then says she will re-look at Boro, Noggie and Mac to see how important they were in Menel's lynching. But this follows the sentence saying she will leave them be because of Menel's lynching. Still, I suppose this could be typical Lommy flip-flopping. That is typical Lommy flip-flopping; not expressing thoughts clearly and contradicting myself though I have a clear thought. I trusted Noggie, Mac and Boro in principle, but wanted to check their actions once again. I did not except to find anything incriminating; I believed I would only get a confirmation for my belief that they all played an important part in Menel-wolf's lynch. Now, this might seem flipflopperish to you too, but I can't explain it any further, so you must either take that as a normal way for me to speak and think or regard that as a suspicious. That's it.
This is all great, it’s just that she seems to be working off and trying to argue against the summary I came up with on Day 2, which by this time was out of date already.Believe or not, your summary didn't even cross my mind while doing that.
Votes Kath due to edginess in her words (still looking for an explanation on that Lommy)It was just general impression, not any specific comment. Your answers were uncharacteristically sharp and defensive. It troubled me.
Gil and Sleepy suspicious, but without reasoning.True, about both of them it was more a general feeling than reason. Though if you look back, Gil says some really suspicious things. (Just ask, and I'll find the quotes, but I'd rather not waste my time on it.)"
Thinlómien rose up and paced around the table. "We must get rid of one unsure today, I understand, but I'd rather not have it being me as I'm innocent. Lynch me, fellow villagers, if you will - that's not a great loss since there's only one wolf left and six innocents - but I'd recommend us to lynch the wolf instead."
The elf stablehand sat down again. "I have limited time. That's enough for a defense. Now, to more important matters. I'm probably going to do a Naria and a Kath-analysis, or at least take a closer look at them."
EDIT: xed with Macalaure
Sleepy Ranger
09-15-2006, 04:12 AM
"All I can say is that I happen to be very confused at the moment." Said the ranger. "I'm very unsure of who is what and what is who and other things like that. Anyway, I'll trust those who our seer thought was innocent and out of the remenant." He paused again. "Well I'm ridiculously confused about the rest now."
"In my honest opinion it could be any of the rememnant. The last wolf could be any of Kath, Naria and Thinlomien. Assuming that the rest are innocent." Sleepy shot a look around the room. "Well then, I'm inclined to believe that Kath is innocent, that leaves me with just Naria and Thinlomien." The ranger paused again, slipping into thought. "Out of Naria and Thinlomien I find Thinlomien more suspicious. Maybe it's just because she seems to be trying to be too nice at times. Then again something about Naria just screams psycopathic murderer. It's a werewolf we're after though..." He then slipped back into thought. He hoped his mind would form a clearer picture later.
Thinlómien
09-15-2006, 05:21 AM
"Here is the long-expected Kath-analysis from me:
On Day One she:
(147) Dashed in, voted Valesse (because she was the only one she heard to speak), apologised and dashed out. Now, this speaks good for her. I don't believe that a wolf would use her fellow wolf in such a trivial accusation and vote. If she's not lying, she did not know the situation at all, so it might have been fatal to vote Val.
On Day Two she:
(182) Made her famous summary of Day One's events. Expresses suspicion of Boro's, mine, Nogrod's and Mac's actions. Speaks of a careful coreagraphy made by the wolves.
(184) Told Naria she did put commentary in her summary. Said she was suspicous of me, Noggie and Boro based on the way Menel treated us and we treated him. Spoke of a careful coreagraphy made by the wolves. Said it's nice that Naria's taking a more active role and that more input from her would be lovely.
(198) Apologised possible confusion. Voted me because in her opinion I was surprised of being accused and imagined being in a position of trust.
On Day Three she:
(244) Explained that she did not suspect Mac. Explained her "plan"-thing. Asked me about "her being quite radically against the general opinion". Disliked Boro speaking of his innocence as a truth. Said she thought the Menel-lynch went pretty much the opposite way than I said it went, didn't know what to think of that. Explained her comment on Naria. Voted Boro because: It is possible that I am reacting to his tone and the way he says things, but he is the most suspicious to my mind. His posts are somehow superior and from what I can see he has barely posted toDay, with what he has said being argumentative in nature rather than helpful. To be perfectly honest what I would really like is absolute proof of his role, and bar a dream we have no way of getting that other than lynching.
On Day Four she:
(262) Jokingly suggested that she should let Noggie, Boro and Volo find the last wolf. Said she will be back later with thoughts.
(273) Analysed me, Sleepy and Gil. Summarised it as: “My findings therefore are that Gil is innocent, and that Lommy and Sleepy both look pretty guilty but Lommy more so. However, given my track record that probably means that we should lynch Gil and assume Lommy is innocent! . . . I just wish I could be sure of what I’m thinking.”
(281) Voted me based on her analysis.
Today she:
(294) Suggested going through Boromir's posts for hints. Says she'll keep an eye on me and Sleepy.
(295) Analysed Boro. Concluded from the narration Boro had only three dreams. Says he probably dreamed of both Menel and Valesse. Said I, Volo and Naria are suspicious."
Thinlómien took a long breath before continuing:
"And here's Naria:
On Day One she:
(122) Talked about pancakes.
(125) Talked more about pancakes. Wondered why people don't show up and regarded it as suspicious. (Glirdy had been murdered 6h before this, so there was no real hurry.) I still see this as a quite suspicious action. Or then it was provocation to speak up.
(170) Voted me the only reason being:
"Well...might as well add another name to the pile, eh." I think she should have had a better reasoning after following through all that had happened during the day. Even a vague suspicion.
On Day Two she:
(177) Was amused by the term Nariatic.
(183) Woke Nogrod. Said Kath did not put personal thoughts in her summary.
(188) Took her words back about there being no comments in Kath's summary. Asked Boro why he thought Kath had five suspects, disagreed with him.
Did not vote.
On Day Three she:
(217) Was unsure of Valesse, slightly positive about Gil's innocence, willing to keep an eye on Kath, baffled by Nogrod (because he was not taking the bull by the horns as usual in her opinion), did not understand Boromir (said he wanted always to make a point but always reiterated himself), thought Sleepy was hiding something and I too trusting, named Mac her prime supect (because: mainly for your banterings where you seem to know a little too much on how werewolved woud/should act f.ex. "having fun" when they kill. I mean sure they might(and most likely do),but who in Arda would come right out and say that...that post sounds like you are bragging and trying to see if you can get away with it ) and said Volo seemed strange, like he was guided.
(221) Was not impressed by Boro's sarcasm. Expressed suspicion of Gil because he said: wow... there goes my suspicons... do you know that the werewolves have either saved me or condemned me, because if i wanted to vote valier i wouldn't have killed her as a werewolf... very paradoxing eh? (That was in fact one of the susspicious statements by Gil I mentioned before.)
(238) Voted Mac.
On Day Four she:
(274) Found me, Kath, Mac and Boro innocent, says she never suspected any of us. (But what did she say in 217? Slightly contradicting, or not? Check: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=488719&postcount=217). Found Gil mildly suspicious because "some things he has said". Suspected Sleepy, for being flip-floppy and being "dodgy with queries that come his way". Said Nogrod is the most suspicious, because in her opinion he was continuously biased towards each day's main supect and he's too sure of Boro's innocence and after he had said Valier's a great asset she was murdered. Not very great reasoning in my opinion.
(287) Voted Nogrod based on the reasons above.
Today she:
(297) Was dismayed of Gil's lynch and said she would take a good look at those who voted him. (Though she thought him mildly suspicious the day before. Flip-flopping, I say. It's so easy to be wise afterwards.)"
Thinlómien took some applejuice for herself seeing that Wilwa was not present. Sipping it, she opened her mouth again. "Kath looks pretty innocent to me, though I can't help wondering that she never joins bandwagons and always has a not-very-popular-suspect. (Means someone who is not about to get lynched.) I've heard tales of wolves who act exactly like this, and less of innocents."
She lowered her cup and looked at the depths of it. "Naria, in the other hand, looks quite bad. She flip-flops more than I do, has no sound reasoning and changes her suspects almost daily. (Except Nogrod.) I think she might be the one I'm going to vote today."
"Sleepy's suspicious to me too. He purposefully raises a veil of mystery between him and the others by not sharing his suspects though he has them etc. and I find this quite worrying. Had someone else behaved like that, he surely would have been lynched already. Besides, I have a feeling our remaining wolf is a he."
Thinlómien took a long gulp from her cup. "I must vote soon. It is Sleepy or Naria."
xed with Sleepy
Thinlómien
09-15-2006, 05:45 AM
"My books of general lore tell me that the members of the Sleepious Family are fond of being mysterious, so that might be normal. Besides, my most convincing argument against Sleepy is probably the he-argument. He is difficult to have a grasp of or make a picture about. So, Sleepy, please be open and share you thoughts that no one else has to judge you based on such limited information you've given this far."
Thinlómien the Elf emptied her cup. "I hold Sleepy and Naria equally suspicious, but as my feeling of Naria being suspicious is more based on arguments and Sleepy on feelings, I will be rational and vote
++NARIA
I do not imagine to have guts like Valier's, so it trust my wits (though they aren't that wonderful either)."
Thinlómien cast an amused look at Nogrod and especially at Kath, and giggled mischeviously, before she said: "Naria, if you're not a wolf, but a fellow victim, I apologise for trusting my wits more than my guts."
She left the inn.
Macalaure
09-15-2006, 07:29 AM
"I just took a look at the people who voted Gil yesterday and those who didn't:
1) Gil -> Mac
2) Lommy -> Gil
3) Sleepy -> Kath
4) Volo -> Sleepy
5) Kath -> Lommy
6) Mac -> Gil(2)
7) Boro -> Gil(3)
8) Naria -> Nogrod
9) Nogrod -> Gil(4)
Unfortunately, all those ghastly Gil-waggoners are now proven innocent, so I don't think we can make much of Lommy's vote for him. They all shared the reason "I don't think he's sooo suspicious, but I have no one better".
Looking at the other votes, Volo is proven innocent, Sleepy's looks bad because of the reason, Kath's and Naria's were backed by reasons.
I'm afraid this doesn't really help...
One thing that caught my eye:
The wolf chose the same victim the last two days. Did s/he choose Boromir because s/he thought he was generally dangerous to him/her, or because s/he already suspected him of being the seer. I would suspect the latter. If so, then there's one thing the wolf wouldn't want the seer to do on his last day: leave obvious hints. I'd like to ask the seer to leave clues in any manner they deem safe. Just something for us to build on in case the wolf does get lucky. If my thoughts are correct, then Sleepy would be a mad wolf, or none at all."
With a deep sigh Macalaure sat down.
"Would anybody tell me whom to vote for today? I'm at one hell of a loss..."
Nogrod
09-15-2006, 07:56 AM
"Lommy wait!" Nogrod cried for the elf and pulled quickly inside the bar.
Sorry brothers and sisters, I'm in a hurry, Lommy is already going... we have an adventure but will be back, later on Day6. Sorry.
But I would have to vote. I share the angst with many that have spoken toDay. There seems to be not a lot of good cases and I haven't time to go through things at this hour. But I'll vote and give a reason for it. That's a principle of mine."
Nogrod seemed to think for a second and then said.
++ Naria
I don't like this as it's already a second vote for her and given in haste. But there are things I can say about her I can't of the other three unknowns.
- I agree with Maca that I've an odd feeling about her, hardly agreeing with anything she says.
- Lommy's analysis showed her off pretty bad.
- It looks like she's intent of getting me killed with whatever way possible and at least in her first speech toDay she tried to pull our attention out of the important questions (do we actually have three innocents or not) to blaming Gil-voters and pointing at my care for the ranger (and her accusation, if it was one, I admit I didn't quite get).
All this counted, it might look like she is trying to twist our ways. Trying to prevent us from succeeding. The thought from earlier on passes my mind: what if this has to do with the possible trickery we were forewarned of? A cobbler might act just like that: being able to be bolder than a wolf but still thriving to the same end?
Not so much wits but guts and imaginative theory here... Sorry, but I can't do better at the moment.
I hope to see as many of you alive toMorrow evening!"
With that he ran out from the bar and went after Lommy.
Naria
09-15-2006, 11:43 AM
After Naria had gone over her notes she lifted her head and began to speak, hoping that her findings would make sense. "This is my take on who Boro dreamt of and some explanations." She continued, "Boro's first dream went to Menel. He was on Menel's case all day without waiver. He even states this in post 159 then Boro votes for him.
The second dream was, I believe, an ordo. Boro didn't seem to have anything concrete like he did with Menel. He went afterDi and then voted for her...a now known innocent....so he must have dreamt of an ordo to not know who to go for. I just couldn't pick out who he could have dreamt of.
The third dream wasValesse....it became pretty obvious after I went back and read this Boromir turned his attention to Valesse, 'My dear Valesse, be prepared, for the searcher of death will come down on thee today He then sticks with his dream all day and warns her again here like I said Valesse, be prepared...I hope you are.' Pretty strong words if he didn't dream of her...wouldn't you think? Boro continues his pursuit of Valesse much like he did with Menel and then votes for her.
The fourth dream was an ordo...Kath maybe? I say that because of this statement from Boro 'I feel better about Kath than I did a few days ago. I ask Kath that you don't go away and that you contribute in whatever ways you can. Your input is needed, I assure you. Again he had no clear picture of who to go after on this day, obviously, he went after an innocent Gil and then voted for him. Now post 272 is where everything got a whole lot more interesting. He clearly states that he feels safe about Mac, Nog and Volo...that never really made me feel safe about them though. Boro states that 'I've wondered what's been the suspicion brewing around Mac has been about. I catch no evil wolf intent. He did strongly stir suspicions against Menel, he started the voting of Menel, he's been just as helpful as anyone. I really don't understand Sleepy's reasoning, or anyone else's as far as why Mac is a wolf. To me there are several more noticeable wolf probabilities.' and then this about Volo 'Volo, started voting with Valesse yesterday (and I believe he was really the first one that started suspecting her), I said he seemed innocent to me, now he's got a wolf lynch under his belt. Much like Mac, I catch no evil intent He seems to be trying to tell us that he doesn't want us to waste our time on these two. I don't believe that any of these three were a Boro dream. I think there playing style was satisfying for Boro so he felt no need to go after them. Then there is this 'If Nogrod's a wolf, he would be the greatest back-stabbing, yet brilliant wolf to have ever been cursed. Boro says IF Nogrod's a wolf...pretty much telling us that he doesn't know what role Noggy has, so in turn did not dream of him yet. I ask you to think about this for a moment...if Boro had dreamt of Nogrod and found him to be innocent, why would he make such a comment towards him?"
Naria found herself to be getting quite hungry and asked Wilwa for a bite to eat and a drink. She then sat back down in the same chair and waited.
Volo was really confused today, tomorrow, if we didn't hang the wolf, there would be only four honest friends around... He wasn't feeling like thinking, the seer had been murdered, Boromir had been a great guy... Volo was sulking and getting drunk also today.
Only in the evening did he even enter the inn, but like Kath had pointed out, Volo knew already all that was said.
"If I'll survive this night, I promise not to get drunk. Or at least on mondays... "I can't think of much now, I think I'll just agree with Lommy about Naria... But not yet..."
Sleepy Ranger
09-15-2006, 01:06 PM
"Since I must depart I shall vote. I believe that Naria has been quite suspicious and things people have said have influenced my decision. My vote will be
++Naria
due to the lack of a better candidate." The ranger bowed. He lit his pipe as he left the Inn things had been hard lately but he hoped in his heart that they would make it out of this.
wilwarin538
09-15-2006, 01:49 PM
Wilwa gave Lommy some freshly squeezed apple juice, and made a small meal for Naria. Everyone was very upset over the loss of their seer, and the death made Wilwa very weary.
Could they still make it through this? She thought as people handed her their votes.
(2 hours and 10 minutes left. Good luck villagers!)
Naria
09-15-2006, 02:13 PM
She flip-flops more than I do, has no sound reasoning and changes her suspects almost daily. (Except Nogrod.Naria found this statement to be quite humorous, "More flip-floppy than you dear Elf? I think not...in fact could any one be more flippy than you? My lore-books say that your ancestors are so floppy with the flipping that one could swear you were a bunch of fish out of water in another life time. I had mild suspicion in regards to Gil...hardly enough to condemn him for anything and hardly enough to cast a vote for him. And yes, except Nogrod...I have a really bad feeling about him and with every passing post he makes, that feeling gets stronger. I have tried to explain it to everyone and don't know any other way to convey my suspicions of him than I already have. You say I have no sound reasoning and change my mind every day. Well all I have to say to that is...what kind of reasoning are you looking for? And what is sound to you? I have done really good in this village in the way of participating and that says alot considering my forefathers weren't too apt.
She addressedNog next, even though he wasn't around. This is the kind of thing I am talking aboutThe thought from earlier on passes my mind: what if this has to do with the possible trickery we were forewarned of? A cobbler might act just like that: being able to be bolder than a wolf but still thriving to the same endI for one had forgotten about the little "surprise" Glirdy said he may or may not do. I am assuming that one would receive a message from beyond about this cobbler role...would they not? I have not.
Funny though how he remembered and then proceeded to remind us of it. I am no cobbler nor a wolf!! If I die toDay :rolleyes: , I beg from the remaining villagers to look at what I have said about Boro's posts and what I have said about that stinky Nogrod.
Naria hoped that she wouldn't die this day, but everyone had been so blinded by Nogrod's words that it looked like she stood no chance to see another Day. So she sat and awaited her fate.
Macalaure
09-15-2006, 02:22 PM
"The deadline is rushing near and this village is frighteningly quiet. Please, people, speak up! We're not getting any smarter with everybody just thinking for himself.
Right now, we have one wolf, three known innocents (though Naria will disagree on this - and on who) and three 'unknown' innocents.
Unless Naria is right and we interpreted Boro's hints wrong, which I don't think, then out of Lommy, Sleepy, Kath and Naria, one is a wolf. As it seems to me, the problem is that none of the four really looks all that suspicious after all.
Kath is quite trusted by most. Sleepy is an unknown, but doesn't shout wolf. Lommy is a little shady, but contributes in a very good way. Naria is very strange, but not in a wolvish way.
Is this the reason of the quietness? Because nobody really knows whom to pick? Shall we now lynch the one who seems less un-wolvish?
I am no wiser.
As the votes are going right now, it's looking like Naria will leave us today. I admit she's probably the one which is least un-wolvish to me, too."
"A double-lynch would bring near-sure victory to the survivors. That would mean lynching an innocent, but this really looks bad, if we don't lynch the wolf. I guess my own talk sounds wolfish... But if three of us vote for Sleepy and one for anybody exept Sleepy or Naria, we get rid of the main suspects. Next day, I would go against Lommy, if neither Sleepy, nor Naria are wolves. I just don't feel that I'll live any longer. I do hope the wolf is Naria... Sorry, but when my own skin is in danger, I take heavier means to live. Just be sure that Naria doesn't get four votes on Sleepy, I'll vote the last, if needed."
Being drunk makes men violent, that is known to all. Volo wasn't an exeption.
Naria
09-15-2006, 03:03 PM
Naria looked at Volo with an odd expression on her face, "What the....how are you in danger toDay? And oh yeah, there are no double lynches."
Macalaure
09-15-2006, 03:11 PM
"You won't get a double lynching with Master Glirdan in charge.
If we had double lynchings the innocents would win: We could kill off two 'unknown' innocents today and two tomorrow, while the wolf could only kill one known innocent in between.
Naria, Volo, Kath and me are left to vote."
"So, there goes that hope... What a pity. I think I'll give up for today, here's my vote:
++Sleepy Ranger."
Volo stumbled back home to have his last meal, for himself, Nogrod or Mac.
Macalaure
09-15-2006, 03:31 PM
"So the only possible lynchees today are Naria and Sleepy. Of the two, I think Naria is less un-wolvish. Since I don't think any more points will be brought up,
++Naria
I'm sorry if I'm wrong..."
Naria
09-15-2006, 03:36 PM
Naria closed her arms together and sighed a heavy sigh. She looked at the people around her and with heavy heart said, "I have enjoyed being in this village with all of you...well, except a few hairy critters. I understand your decision as you are all very confused, I just wished you could have understood where I am coming from in regards to Noggy."
++Nogrod
Macalaure
09-15-2006, 03:43 PM
"I know where you're coming from, and it would seem like wisdom but for the names that Boro gave us. I suspected him before as well."
Naria
09-15-2006, 03:49 PM
"See that's just my point. Yes Boro had names on his innocent list, but those are just people that he felt were innocent not necessarily people that he had dreamt of and thus cleared. There were no indications in his posting that these people on his list were entirely cleared and innocent."
Kath rushed in, unable to hear what had just passed due to the rushing in her ears from running all the way from home.
"Third time, I know." She panted. "I know Lommy can't be lynched toDay from the (extremely) quick skim that I have done though I would vote for her were it not pointless. It seems I must choose between Naria and Sleepy and right now my vote goes to
++NARIA
I have no reasoning other than a feeling. Sleepy I think has been rather deliberately secretive but he doesn't strike me as so wolvish. Anyway, apologies and I hope my feelings are right!"
She rushed back out again, cursing herself for continually voting in such a rush.
Macalaure
09-15-2006, 03:57 PM
"I see, I see. But post 272 is as close to an innocent list as it gets. You can put together a dream list around it without any contradictions. Nogrod and I spotted Menel without help, so Boro didn't have to dream about him. Also, who would you dream of on a Day 1? Nogrod or Menel (no offense, Menel)?
I think Boro knew he would be lynched this night. I feared the same thing. He didn't declare seerdom because that would have steered the discussion the wrong way. None of his innocents were on the lynching menu anyway. So he gave his innocents, said he thinks them to be innocent though he knew, and hoped the best.
I hope the ranger does a wise decision tonight..."
Glirdan
09-15-2006, 09:10 PM
Naria had been prepared for what was going to happen. She knew that she was the one to be lynched. But instead of protesting and crying out for mercy, she allowed the villagers to tie her up.
"Well, that was easy!" Nogrod cried happily.
"So what do we do with her?" Kath said uneasily.
"Well, she's a warrior. What would be a punishment for disobeying an order?" Lommy asked quietly.
"Beheading," Sleepy said simply.
They all looked at each other uneasily, none of them wanting to do the job themselves.
"Okay, this is getting annoying!" Naria said imaptiently. "Will you kill me already? Only the ropes are chaffing my wrists."
"Ah shut up!!" Volo cried.
"Yeah, what you going to do about it, you mediocre Inn keeper!" sneered Naria.
"You didn't!"
"I believe I just did!"
"That's it!!" Volo cried and he lunged for Naria's sword. But he was too late. Naria was already dead, her head on the ground. "Uh, what happened?" he asked, utterly perplexed. He then looked up and saw Macalaure holding up Naria's bloody sword.
"I was getting annoyed by your bickering," he said simply. And the villagers walked away, disappointed that they had not found the Wolf and wondering what would happen that night.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~
Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Mauled to death on Night 1
Meneltarmacil (wolf) - Squished into a pancake on Day 1
JennyHallu (innocent) - Killed and her body stolen on Night 2
Diamond (innocent) - Hanged on Day 2
Valier (innocent) - Killed, ripped to pieces and hidden in her study on Night 3
Valesse (wolf) - Burned to a crisp on Day 3
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Killed himself in a pot on Day 4
Boromir (seer) - Killed, burried and eyes gouged out on Night 5
Naria (innocent) - Beheaded by her own sword on Day 5
Alive
Nogrod
Sleepy Ranger
Lommy
Macalaure
Volo
Kath
Glirdan
09-16-2006, 02:51 PM
The villagers awoke that morning, sure that they were going to find another bloody body that the Wolves had killed the Night before.
That's why, when they gathered, they were utterly perplexed that there were still six of them left.
They counted and re-counted to check.
"So, the Ranger succeded? AGAIN!?" Sleepy cried in shock.
"Seems so!" Kath shouted happily.
And the villagers went off for further discussion, one of them covered in scratches, yet quite pleased with last Night's protection, and one in a furious rage at last Night's failure.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~
Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Mauled to death on Night 1
Meneltarmacil (wolf) - Squished into a pancake on Day 1
JennyHallu (innocent) - Killed and her body stolen on Night 2
Diamond (innocent) - Hanged on Day 2
Valier (innocent) - Killed, ripped to pieces and hidden in her study on Night 3
Valesse (wolf) - Burned to a crisp on Day 3
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Killed himself in a pot on Day 4
Boromir (seer) - Killed, burried and eyes gouged out on Night 5
Naria (innocent) - Beheaded by her own sword on Day 5
Alive
Nogrod
Sleepy Ranger
Lommy
Macalaure
Volo
Kath
Kath popped her head in early again, aware that this might be the only chance she had to speak toDay.
"If I might offer my opinion, I suggest we look very long and hard at Lommy toDay. Boro himself said that if Naria turned out to be innocent it was likely that Lommy was not. You've got my analysis of Lommy from a couple of Days back and if I have a chance I will do a more up to date one but I may not be able to get back here again before the end of the Day. Because of this I am going to vote now.
++LOMMY
If further analysis shows her to be more innocent looking than, say, Sleepy, then my apologies for possibly screwing up a lynch. However, I would rather vote than not, and she is my top suspect at the moment. I hope to be back later, but if I am not then good luck for getting our final wolf toDay!"
In a manner that had become a habit, Kath left again, hoping she'd be back, but thinking it unlikely.
Macalaure
09-17-2006, 04:10 AM
"Three cheers for the Ranger!
Cheer! Cheer! Cheer!
Kath, where did Boro say that if Naria turned out to be innocent it is likely that Lommy was not? I think you refer to this:Thinks either Lommy or Naria is suspicious, the guilt of one depending on the innocence of the other.
in your Boro-analysis. But that came from:The whole I'm suspicious of Thinlo, but if she's innocent I think Naria looks suspicious, just seems all too awkward. There he quotes the reasons that Menel gave. It's absolutely not his own suspicion - on the contrary. It's not even saying 'if Naria's innocent Lommy is not', but 'if Lommy's innocent Naria's not'. Are you twisting Boro's words? Even if it was just a fault, it is not a good reason for a vote, though I agree that good reasons for votes are rare at the moment.
Regardless I agree with you that Lommy is worth a closer look, but this kind of reason makes me suspicious on you again.
In retrospect, Sleepy's vote for Naria yesterday is a little suspicious. Since all remaining four would have had to agree on one other suspect, it basically sealed her fate."
"While Nogrod and Lommy are still away, let's see what Lommy has been doing.
1. She hasn't voted a wolf out.
2. She cast the first killing votes against Gil and Naria.
3. Her talk is full of mysteries, she has changed her opinion many times.
I gave up trying to make a summary of some kind, about Lommy."
Volo sat down on a table and poured himself the best wine he had in store. "Better drink this before I die."
"But I think a well talking wolf has more reason to survive than a not so well talking wolf, Lommy might be a wolf... But Sleepy here, he hasn't been talking so much... To this point, the quiet people have turned innocent... Still, I'll vote Sleepy today if nothing really unexpected happens. We'll have time to vote Lommy out tomorrow... It's rather sad that those werewolves kill us innocents without any reason at night and then talk to us like friends during the day. Why can't we stay friends even at night?
Kath can also be a wolf, she hasn't voted out a wolf, well, she has voted against Valesse once, but it was sure that Valesse wouldn't be lynched that day.
Nogrod and Mac are innocent, I'll believe Boromir."
Volo sad down beside Mac and poured him wine, "For friendship!"
Thinlómien
09-17-2006, 10:53 AM
"Well, well, Miss Hobbit, hasty are you?" Thinlómien asked, entering the inn remarkably late. "What a silent bunch of people you are!"
Thinlómien sat down and ordered an apple juice and a beer from Wilwa.
"Do I even have to say that I'm pretty confident that Sleepy is the remaining wolf? He has done nothing to make himself seem more innocent from yesterday, when he was my secondary suspect. Now, when my ex-primary suspect is dead, Sleepy is logically 'promoted' to top place in my suspicion list."
Thinlómien made a little pause. "I would like to repeat", she said mysteriously, "that I have a feeling that our remaining wolf is a he."
"If this he is Mac, Volo or Noggie, I congratulate the village for abusing Boromir's last words."
"If this he's not a he but a she, then I must congratulate Kath because she has been quite innocent-like these last few days (though her vote today was quite odd)."
"If and probably this he is however Sleepy and there must happen something quite radical before I vote anyone else."
The elf sucked her hair. "I can't linger for a long time", she told her fellow villagers. Before falling deeper into the thought, she added: "Master Volo, you say I have been casting the first killing votes for both Gil and Naria. Why I was first is simply because I can't hang out in the inn for a long time since I have horses to look after."
Thinlómien
09-17-2006, 11:16 AM
++Sleepy
"If someone else is a wolf s/he is a cunning one."
Thinlómien left then inn.
Kath popped her head round the door, pleasantly suurprised to have been able to get back.
"Umm." She began, having noticed the very small amount of speaking that had been going on. "Sorry about that Mac, I was going by memory but apparently it was faulty. Also, I am sorry that I voted Lommy toDay, because looking back over what she said I absolutely agree that the last wolf is a male. That leaves us with Nogrod, Sleepy, Mac and Volo. If we're using Boro's innocent list that leaves us with Sleepy.
Now this really is the last time I'll be in here so goodnight to you, and let's hope we need not live in fear through another Night!"
Kath popped out again, hoping she hadn't just been taken in by a very cunning wolf.
Nogrod
09-17-2006, 11:38 AM
"Great Rangering! Ab fab, man!" Nogrod yelled as he stumbled in to the bar, tired but happy from his adventures. He ordered two pints and drank the first one with just two draughts. Then he looked around to find only a few of the villagers present.
"So, it's narrowing down quite drastically. The nastiest scenario will give us just two votes to make it right! That is toDay and toMorrow. If we don't get the wolf toDay, toMorrow morning there will be four alive, probably two known innocents and two unknowns. If they don't manage to pick the wolf in the end of the day, the night will seal the wolf's victory. But the Ranger has shown some real spirit and her/his job gets easier every Day. I trust you can make the difference!
The positive thing I see in this scenario is that even if we fail toDay, then reasonably thinking there will be a choice from two toMorrow. So 50-50. And if the ranger succeeds the next Night, we will have one more Day to check the final candidate and win."
Nogrod took a sip from his pint and sat into the large armchair beside the fireplace. "I'll try to be useful as long as I'm still around here. I'll try to take a look at both Lommy and Sleepy."
EDIT: X-talked with Kath
Sleepy Ranger
09-17-2006, 11:39 AM
"I have nothing to say in my defence other than I am not the one you seek.
++Thinlomien
Since I do not believe Kath is a wolf. Now I'm afraid I must leave. There are matters I must attend to." And with that Sleepy Ranger left.
"I won't do this with completely good intencions, but
++Sleepy Ranger,
I'm sorry we can't live together."
Volo sat down and opened the next bottle. He poured everybody, even Sleepy some wine.
Nogrod
09-17-2006, 12:06 PM
These ladies here make me open my mouth before any good analysis. Now what is this sexist gerrymandering going on here?
"I would like to repeat", she said mysteriously, "that I have a feeling that our remaining wolf is a he."
As I heard Lommy mentioning this first, I thought that wow, she's the wolf. And now we have her. I mean, look at the bolded parts on her diction. What does it look like? It looks like someone is toying with the possibility of Glirdy's promised tricksies which we haven't seen so far. A wolf might like to try that one approach. Trying to get others to believe that you have some "mysterious" information or a mystery role so you shouldn't be lynched as you are a goody with information, not a baddie with hidden fangs trying to rescue yourself...
Nogrod leaned back on his chair and picked his pipe. Slowly he started filling it with regular tobacco this time. He didn't want to offend Wilva anymore with his other stuff.
"Maybe we should check these ladies and lynch Sleepy, but as I said earlier: we probably have only two votes to win this and so if this is a distraction, it will cost us dearly. And Kath, your last visit was quite lupine, dare I say it... I'll try to look at you too before we go lynching anyone and start waiting the visit from the killer in the night."
EDIT: X'd with Volo
Macalaure
09-17-2006, 12:10 PM
Macalaure gratefully took the wine Volo poured him. "For friendship, Volo!" he answered to him, taking the chance to inconspicuously look for unnatural fur on him.
He then turned to the others.
"Is it just me, or does the 'he'-theory make z-e-r-o sense? As long as it was a hunch of Lommy, it was nothing but a reason to roll your eyes, but now?
Kath, what in Arda made you absolutely agree with this?
By the way, Lommy, isn't it a little early to congratulate the wolf? No matter how today will go, we have another day left to look for him/her."
edit: cross-spoke with many
Nogrod
09-17-2006, 12:10 PM
"Maca my man, it's down to us now. Lommy has two and so has Sleepy. I'll try to see if I can make any sense from their talkin' before the moment. D'ya have any ideas?"
Nogrod looked at Macalaure and then closed his eyes to recall the earlier discussion where Lommy and Sleepy had been...
EDIT: X'd with Maca
Macalaure
09-17-2006, 12:21 PM
"Ideas? Me? oh dear....
Kath stroke me incredibly wolfish today, but she is off the board.
I have no idea of Sleepy anymore. If he's a wolf, his tactic is "if you say nothing, then you say nothing suspicious"
Lommy I can say nothing of.
I'd suggest to go for Sleepy. Kath and Lommy are a 'little' more talkative than he. If one of the two is a wolf, we have a chance to detect her tomorrow from what she says. We have a good chance to be smarter of them if given another day. I doubt that we will be any smarter about Sleepy tomorrow."
Nogrod
09-17-2006, 02:17 PM
"I agree with you that Kath's performance toDay, I mean her last speech, was really baffling. But she's out of the limits toDay as both Lommy and Sleepy already have two votes. I hope she will have some explanations for her actions toMorrow."
Nogrod went for another pint and sat back to the armchair.
"Okay, we will decide this then. Not a happy situation, I and I say."
Nogrod went on to have a couple of sips, puffing his still lit pipe thoughtfully.
"I've tried to recall the things that have been discussed here from the beginning. It's somewhat frustrating. When you look at someone with an evil-eye, man... you know whaddye mean? Look at someone with Morgothian eyes and you see malice everywhere. But we will have to choose from two now.
You say we go for Sleepy. That sounds reasonable. These ladies have come out from somewhere to outspeak their "hunches" that the wolf is a male. Okay, the only unknown male is Sleepy and we do not know, whether there is something like an oddsy trick by Glirdy here bubbling under. Maybe they know it? Lynching Sleepy would prove it. But are they just making fun, at this hour? Or just trying to shield any suspicion on them by making the wolvery gender-relative - and wishing we would fall for it? Kath using Lommy as her excuse here? Lommy has a hunch and Kath sides her to make it a believable case when two already "know" the wolf is male?
Kath's sudden turn-around really confuses me: in the morning all for Lommy and in the evening for Sleepy because of his gender? If there would be something like Glirdy-based weirdness (him giving a piece of information to innocents / giving people new roles), it should probably happen at Night, not in the middle of the Day. At least it would sound more probable that way...
But yes, Sleepy looks pretty bad. If he's a wolf, he has done just those things a succesful wolf might think of doing. Being shady, not saying anything of substance, laying low, being mysterious and voting safe everyDay with carefully distancing himself from his votes. This last I hold as carrying the most blame.
So
++ Sleepy
For the reasons above.
If we are not getting things right now brother, I'm afraid we two are not going to meet toMorrow. Only the Ranger and the wolf know which one of us the wolf was after last Night; it might have been Volo too, but I doubt it as the wolf probably has more reasons to silence one of us. But tonite, it will come to knock the door of mine or yours again and there will be no guardian angel any more. So I and I just wish to say, that it was a pleasure to have met you, Easterling. You speak wisely."
Nogrod raised his pint to toast with Maca. He smiled melancholically to him and took a long draught from his ale, emptying the glass. He left the pint on the table next to the chair and took the first steps out from the door.
"If it's you who wakes to the new Day, please require an explanation from Kath, I really have bad feelings about her last actions."
With that he went to his own house and locked the door.
Macalaure
09-17-2006, 02:37 PM
"Sleepy Ranger it is then. Let us hope that he is not also the very awake real Ranger.
++Sleepy Ranger"
Macalaure lifted his glass as Nogrod left.
"Indeed it has been a honour to know you, Man of Harad. But shall you remain to see the next dawn, then do not forget to look at Thinlómien also."
Glirdan
09-17-2006, 05:20 PM
The villager's gathered once more, ready to be rid of one of their own. The villagers cast their votes. Sleepy was the one chosen to be lynched that Day.
Sleepy Ranger looked at all who stood before him. He was smiling despite being the one who would face death. It did not bother him, he had lived through a lot and death... it was strangely welcome. He felt no fear, no resentment.
In the short time spent amongst these people he had come to learn the value and meaning of friendship. He found peace in the fact that he was sacrificing himself for these new found friends. He felt no biterness towards them after all he too had turned his back on many people for his survival.
"Ere you lay me to rest I have something to say." He paused and looked at them with a warm smile. "Thank you! Thank you all for teaching me something I should have learnt a long time ago. It is fine though, I shall die in peace now. I wish you luck in your hunt for the final terror. May you find them and be merciless in laying justice upon them. I wish you luck. Mayhap this dead man's prayer will give you the strength you need."
The villagers gathered around him, wondering how they should kill this warrior.
"Well, we can't chop his head off. We - I mean I - did that to Naria already," Macalaure stated.
"Well, we can hang him the old fashioned way," Norgrod suggested.
"You mean by building an actual gallows?" Lommy questioned.
"Yeah, why not!" Kath said excitedly.
A few hours later, the villagers had erected a very unsteady gallow. "Hmm, not the best carpentry, but it'll do," Nogrod said completely satisfied. The villagers grabbed Sleepy and put his head through the noose. Lommy grabbed the lever and pulled. The trapdoor opened and Sleepy fell. But nothing happened.
"Okay, that didn't work out as we planned," Macalaure said bluntly. Just then, a loud crack rent the air and the whole structure fell on top of Sleepy. The villagers walked away in despair, hoping for a brighter morning.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~
Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Mauled to death on Night 1
Meneltarmacil (wolf) - Squished into a pancake on Day 1
JennyHallu (innocent) - Killed and her body stolen on Night 2
Diamond (innocent) - Hanged on Day 2
Valier (innocent) - Killed, ripped to pieces and hidden in her study on Night 3
Valesse (wolf) - Burned to a crisp on Day 3
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Killed himself in a pot on Day 4
Boromir (seer) - Killed, burried and eyes gouged out on Night 5
Naria (innocent) - Beheaded by her own sword on Day 5
Sleepy Ranger (innocent) - Buried under poorly erected gallows on Day 6
Alive
Nogrod
Lommy
Macalaure
Volo
Kath
Night 7 (holy cow!!) has started. Still need a name from the Ranger and the Wolf. And I would like to thank Sleepy for helping me out with his death (his thoughts are the part he wrote up).
Glirdan
09-18-2006, 05:22 PM
Macalaure had just been loading up his wain to depart the next morning. "I'm fed up with what's going on!" he snarled into the night. "All of this nonsense about having to find the Wolves. That Glirdan character didn't even explain where this is!!"
Just then, he heard a low, deep growl...right behind him.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~
The villagers gathered the next morning. They counted themselves and weren't surprised to find that once more, one of them was missing. It was Macalaure
They walked towards his house. They looked inside and saw nothing. They then decided to go around the back. There, a surprise met them.
"This looks like all of Maca's special belongings," Volo said slowly, looking at the wain.
"That must mean he was planning on leaving today!" Kath cried.
The villagers advanced on the wain. As the got nearer, a ghastly smell wafted up from the wain. Nogrod advanced and cried out in horror.
There, in the middle of the wain, was Macalaure's body, or, what was left of his body anyway. For the ghastly beast had ripped the flesh and meat off and left all of his inner organs sitting inside it's skeleton.
The villagers ran away from the gruesome site, knowing that they only had one more chance to find the fiend.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~
Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Mauled to death on Night 1
Meneltarmacil (wolf) - Squished into a pancake on Day 1
JennyHallu (innocent) - Killed and her body stolen on Night 2
Diamond (innocent) - Hanged on Day 2
Valier (innocent) - Killed, ripped to pieces and hidden in her study on Night 3
Valesse (wolf) - Burned to a crisp on Day 3
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Killed himself in a pot on Day 4
Boromir (seer) - Killed, burried and eyes gouged out on Night 5
Naria (innocent) - Beheaded by her own sword on Day 5
Sleepy Ranger (innocent) - Buried under poorly erected gallows on Day 6
Macalaure (innocent) - Flesh and meat ripped off and organs left sitting in the skeleton on Night 7
Alive
Nogrod
Lommy
Volo
Kath
You may start posting. I will extend tomorrow's deadline until this time tomorrow.
Kath arrived, mentally slapping herself for having been so taken in.
"Alright." She said, deciding to get this out of the way now before she was asked. "This is why I thought the wolf was a male yesterDay:
Everyone, that is except one, who scowled inside and put up a pretense of joy. His attack had failed.
These are the words of our esteemed mod. Now, if this can be taken as truth then either Volo or Nogrod is the final wolf, but if not then, to me, it's Lommy. As of this second I have no idea. Hopefully I will have enough time through the Day to look at all three and make a decision. This is awful you know. We got two wolves and now we're completely stuck. Well, I'll be back later, though obviously I'm no help at all right now."
Rolling her eyes Kath wandered off again.
"Now today, don't be hasty! Nogrod was trusted by Boromir, I'm rather sure our seer had a dream of Nogrod. It would be rather sad, for everybody else, if Nogrod turns out to be a wolf...
On the other hand, It's strange that we, Nogrod, Lommy and me, are still alive of all people. That puts some suspicion on Nogrod and Lommy, but as I decided that Nogrod is innocent, Lommy is the main suspect.
Or then Kath has used the strange ties, that bind us for her own wicked end (or without nowing brought me to this thoughts).
Anyway, what I'm saying is that the wolf is a she. Today we have to be really carefull. And I'm rather sure Nogrod will agree with me. That's two votes, enough to lynch one of you. The main thing: don't be too quick to decide!"
Nogrod
09-18-2006, 11:16 PM
"Alas! This is getting nastily much more complicated..." Nogrod said as he took his early morning pint and leaned over the desk.
"I have been a firm believer on Boro's list so far, and somehow am still. But for the right decisions to be made toDay, we have to open that up too. I must've been too much in my stuff that morning to not notice it.
So brother and sisters, either we believe the list and vote for a female or then we trust Glirdy to have made a slip and vote a male.
Okay. Glirdy might make a slip. It'd be rather bad modding but possible. At least there seems to be an error in this morning's declaration. It's said that we know we only have one more chance to find the fiend, although that's not the case. If we don't kill the ranger toDay, s/he might still save us one more time. So Glirdy might slip or just make a mistake. As a non-native speaker it's hard for me to judge how easily that kind of mistakes occur with nativespeakers.
But there is a further problem here too. If he actually slipped, then Volo is a wolf. And very unthoughtful one too. I mean: if there was any reason for the wolf to believe there were information or hunches around that the wolf is a male, why did he go after Sleepy? Lynching someone else yesterDay would have probably secured Sleepy-lynch toDay and his success! As you surely wish to speculate about my wolvishness too, consider this: A Noggie-wolf would have made a case against Lommy last night and made sure to vote early enough before Maca so as to nail her down. He would have had all the time and resources for that.
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but as I see it, either Volo is a wolf who just didn't see that there was a relatively secure, or at least more reasonable way for him open yesterDay. When he voted Lommy was leading by two votes to one and he tied the situation instead of going for Lommy. Or then, if Volo is an innocent, then Glirdy didn't slip but only made a mistake.
I have argued for Boro's list already earlier and won't go into detail with it anymore. But as it looks credible enough, it's pretty hard for me to let go of it. Surely it would help if someone else would show where it goes wrong or present a more credible explanation to both it's status as a list and to the dreams of Boro. I'm surely more keen on tracking the wolf than believing in a list just for the list's sake. But if it wasn't a list of actual innocents but just his hunches, then Boro has been basically misleading us as our Seer which is kind of hard for me to believe. As Maca said (#322): "#272 is as close to an innocent list as it gets".
Nogrod felt a bit dizzy and decided to help himself yet another pint. Then he sat down with his pipe to think.
Nogrod
09-18-2006, 11:19 PM
The main thing: don't be too quick to decide!" "Right, man! The first vote for an innocent might trigger the wolf to make an immediate second vote and thence secure the death of the innocent. I have been in this kind of situation earlier. Would that happen, we will have to cross our fingers and hope for our ranger to save us, for then, toMorrow we have good chances of spotting the wolf based on toDay's votes..."
"Now, sorry Nogrod, but your talk is against you. This might even mean you are wolf, as strange as it is... But I agree, somebody, or better two somebodys, might want to make a summary of all our actions...
I also doubt that the ranger will live until tomorrow, at this point the wolf will know who to kill. I think it's today or the wolf wins.
Glirdy sure made a mistake when he said that... The problem is, that now it can't be corrected."
Thinlómien
09-19-2006, 02:15 AM
"This is why I thought the wolf was a male yesterDay:
Everyone, that is except one, who scowled inside and put up a pretense of joy. His attack had failed."That was my reason too. And the mysterious thing was because I didn't want to say it aloud for the sake of the game (OOC = it would not have been RPGing), but hoped someone would catch my meaning." Thinlómien sighed. "Either Glirdy said he because he is less definitive than she (meaning that about an unkwown you might use he but not she) or because the last wolf is a he. I wouldn't really rule out the latter option, because I have read of a village where Glirdy's ancestor was the god and he said 'night begins now, the last wolf may send me his pick' and since there was only one (or maybe two) male persons in the village, the village managed to nail the last wolf (who, surprise, surprise, was a male) when he was already suspected by some."
"After Sleepy was proven innocent, I was pretty confident Kath must be the last wolf." Thinlómien sighed again and ordered an apple juice. And a beer. "Now I honestly have no clue."
"Kath has done suspicious things and unsuspicious things. She doesn't scream wolf, but at the moment she seems most probably to be the wolf in the bunch."
The elf fixed her eyes on the weed-dealer. "Or then, we have our wolf here. The fact that Boromir trusted him from the beginning (and his - Nogrod's, I mean - family having a certain reputation it would be quite probable) like he would have dreamt of him on the first night. The only thing that troubles me is that why isn't he dead yet? Surely the wolf/wolves would have wanted to kill somebody that has been trusted by almost everyone from the beginning? Someone that has contributed to lynching wolves? Someone that the seer said he believed innocent? Someone who contributes a lot and makes good points ie makes a fromidable enemy for them?" Thinlómien sucked her hair. "That is the only reason I'm not ready to wholly trust Boromir's list and Nogrod's innocence."
"I have constantly let Volo slip under my radar, because there has been no reason for me to suspect him. I should maybe bring back to my mind all he has said - and all that you two others have said too."
"I can't promise not to vote hours before deadline. As you all know, my horses take most of my time*."
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*OOC: don't have a net access home
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 05:38 AM
The only thing that troubles me is that why isn't he dead yet? Surely the wolf/wolves would have wanted to kill somebody that has been trusted by almost everyone from the beginning? Someone that has contributed to lynching wolves? Someone that the seer said he believed innocent? Someone who contributes a lot and makes good points ie makes a fromidable enemy for them?""I guess I might have an answer to that. You may bet I have thought of the same for a couple of Nights too.
But I can see a logical chain of events here. After Valesse's death the wolf was left alone and probably had two persons which it wanted out of the game asap. (myself and Boro) I voiced my suspicion of this already then. Which one would it try? Well, it chose Boro, one could say he looked more Seerish, was denied the kill the first Night and completed it on the next (no sense in trying someone else the next Night if one may have the first with certainty). But then it faced the problem of who to kill again as also Macalaure was making well-thought points and was a known innocent. The one denial must have made it a bit unsure about whom the ranger would protect. I intentionally tried to make it more uncertain and more frustrated by making my Ranger-comment back then. Then I could see it as quite a logical choice, that it went after Maca as the ranger had protected Boro the last time there was a real choice and I might be protected this time: it might be seen as a bit safer kill for it. But the ranger was wittier than it was. Let the ranger be praised for that!
If the wolf would not have missed twice, I wouldn't probably be around any more."
Nogrod puffed the pipe he had lit after a small nap and thought of trying to wake up with the help of yet another ale.
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 05:58 AM
But he thought better of it. No ale now man, thinking is better...
"I am about to put my trust on the list still and there's one thing that I would wish to underline about it before I start my thinking.
Look at Maca and Boro. I'd say there is a clear change in the way Boro treats Maca from Day2 onwards. If that doesn't look like a dream, then what would look like it? So why is Maca on the list together with both myself and Volo, if we - or another one of us - weren't dreamt of too? Why should Boro make that kind of thing, leading us astray with piling known innocent(s) with unknown(s) in that way, separated from the rest?
Adding to that all the sense the list makes with regards to other dreams and their places in the course of Days and how Boro worked (very openly towards Valesse and to us three), I'd say we have pretty good case for the list. But as it is the survival of all us villagers at stake, I beg you to voice any further doubts about it. If you find problems from it, I'm ready to consider changing my mind about it. But before any such cases are found, I'm going to stick with it as I think I can believe in it."
With that Nogrod fell deep into his thoughts.
"I am suprised that I'm still alive. Either one of you three is really nice to the person with no family history or else I don't know... It seems that people not possessing great threat have been killed away pretty rapidly in the beginning. I don't think of myself as a big threat to the wolves. Kath I suspected more at the two first days. Nogrod I haven't really suspected during the whole nightmare. Lommy I have suspected more, but haven't went against her openly...
Today I have no idea who to vote, the wolf sure is cunning... I don't feel like I can be of great help, just I can't really see Nogrod as a wolf, he did kill two wolves, without his vote they wouldn't have died, would they.
From me the vote will be for one of you ladies..."
Volo walked away into the kitchen and after about an hour returned with a grand meal. He put the food down and went to collect the other courses. He laid the best table for four and said "Friends! I can't think of you as wolves, you seem decent people and I would give anything if I could have met you in a different way. I hope I'm lying: This is our last supper, may we eat it together in to honor of our lost friends, who we have killed." Volo poured four glasses of old white wine he brought from the secret cellar, it was indeed a great collection, he wondered again what this place was and how could wine even a king would envy had got into his shaking hands. "Don't worry, I haven't poisoned anything, while being truthful, the thought went through my head. But no, let's die enjoing ourselves!"
EDIT: cross-posted with Nogrod
Thinlómien
09-19-2006, 07:45 AM
"I am quite confident that Volo's innocent. He acts innocently and Boromir believed him innocent."
Thinlómien sucked her hair. "When I reacalled all the village events, I found out it is really possible that Nogrod is the last wolf. In that case, master weed-dealer, you're absolutely hilarious. Anyway, take a closer look on Boro's list", Thinlómien urged and threw a copy of the start of Boromir's speech on the table. "I underlined some passages. (Bolded one, too.) Have a good look at them." 'As far as today goes, here's who I feel good and safe about:
Macalaure
Nogrod
Volo
'I've wondered what's been the suspicion brewing around Mac has been about. I catch no evil wolf intent. He did strongly stir suspicions against Menel, he started the voting of Menel, he's been just as helpful as anyone. I really don't understand Sleepy's reasoning, or anyone else's as far as why Mac is a wolf. To me there are several more noticeable wolf probabilities.'
'If Nogrod's a wolf, he would be the greatest back-stabbing, yet brilliant wolf to have ever been cursed. That's the end of that.'
'Volo, started voting with Valesse yesterday (and I believe he was really the first one that started suspecting her), I said he seemed innocent to me, now he's got a wolf lynch under his belt. Much like Mac, I catch no evil intent.' "Now, look at the bolded sentence. Look at the sentence about Mac earlier. Now, wouldn't this greatly suggest that he knew of their innocence? 'I catch no evil intent' being synonymous to 'I dreamed of him, he's not a wolf'? Against this background, isn't the 'that's the end of that' screaming that 'I did not dream of him, I trust him based on other things'?" Thinlómien fell to her chair. "This does not suggest that Nogrod is a wolf, but that we shouldn't discount him. My lorebooks tell me he is cunning, and bold." The elf sucked her hair again. "Besides, doesn't the death of Macalaure fit into Nogrod's wolvishness? Having bluffed so much and being trusted by nearly the whole village, wolf-Nogrod only needed that more sheep-like and guidable innocents would be around, and no one (except Naria who hadn't good reasoning behind her suspicion) would even question his innocence that was claimed by Boromir's list? No offense to you, Volo and Kath, or to Sleepy either, but a wolf-Noggie would certainly have seen Macalaure posing the biggest threat for him."
"The third point that I have against Nogrod is that he - especially at the beginning of the game - speaks mostly of general ideas 'x did this and y did that, that could make y a wolf' than of opinions 'x did this and that makes him a wolf in my opinion'. Now, I don't say that it's a bad thing. It's good to be objective and analytical. But surely to a wolf trying to think like an innocent it is easier to speculate who could be wolf based on their actions than give an actual opinion? I migth be blabbering nonsense here, though, saying what just comes to my mind without thinking about it too much." The stablehand maiden sighed.
"Besides, Noogles, your defense doesn't convince me. You said: I intentionally tried to make it more uncertain and more frustrated by making my Ranger-comment back then. Then I could see it as quite a logical choice, that it went after Maca as the ranger had protected Boro the last time there was a real choice and I might be protected this time: it might be seen as a bit safer kill for it. But the ranger was wittier than it was. Let the ranger be praised for that!Either I do not get your point or you're being really wolvish here. Wouldn't a wolf want to sway the ranger to waste his/her defense on himself? Wouldn't you, as a wolf, want to sway the ranger to protect yourself and leave Maca unguarded?"
"The more I think of this, the more I'm worried about Nogrod."
Thinlómien glanced at Kath. "I recalled all your words, but it didn't make me any wiser about you. However, in your defense, why would our ModGod use a masculine pronoun about a known female. It does not make sense."
"My vote - which comes soon- will probably go to Noggie."
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 08:01 AM
"Besides, Noogles, your defense doesn't convince me. You said: Either I do not get your point or you're being really wolvish here. Wouldn't a wolf want to sway the ranger to waste his/her defense on himself? Wouldn't you, as a wolf, want to sway the ranger to protect yourself and leave Maca unguarded?"
"I haven't seen anything else but this caught my eye... Are you sure you actually understood what I said? Let's not make a mistake here... I mena every vote counts now, heavily (the wolf may use the vote immediately! Wait a second..."
Thinlómien
09-19-2006, 08:06 AM
"Please, Nogrod, explain what you meant, then, if I was wrong."
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 08:11 AM
"First: Boro's explanations for the guiltlessness of the three. He couldn't actually write that he knows it now could he? He still had a chance to remain alive if I was the one killed that night. So he had to say something, anything to look even a bit convincing - which "I catch no evil intent" isn't either. But why were all three put in separate lines, and myself in the middle? If there was a reason to point out that I was different from others, wouldn't he have handled myself differently? Sorry. You accuse Boro of outward carelessness and threat our village with a failure. Remember, one vote for an innocent and it's very probabvle downfall of the village as the wolf secures the kill by giving the second vote first!"
Thinlómien
09-19-2006, 08:23 AM
"Sorry, Nogrod, rage in peace but you fail to convince me. I can't explain Boro's words for him." Thinlómien took a long breath and shut her eyes.
"May the Valar guide my mind and be merciful... I vote
++Nogrod
I really must go now."
She cast a quick glance at the weed-dealer. "I pray I'm right this time."
Then she turned to Volo and Kath, those who she presumed to be her last remaining fellow innocents, or victims. "All I can say is that now, I'm pretty confident of Nogrod's guilt. Recall my points about him and ponder them. Recall his own words thorughout the history of the village. And remember that his family's nature is both bold and cunning. Volo, please remember Kath's a she and recall her words. Kath, please trust Boromir's 'I catch no evil intent' -comment on Volo."
"Thirdly, please do not let Nogrod or yourselves to sway you to vote me. I am innocent. Recall all I have said if that helps. Trust me. If you kill me today, or any other innocent, the village is lost, unless both the wolf and the ranger (if s/he's till alive) pick the remaining ordo next night. Choose well."
Saying her last words, Thinlómien fled the inn dreading what would happen to them all.
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 08:25 AM
Second: Maca's death might suit to a "wolf-Noggie", but either one's death (Maca or myself) would suit the actual wolf and I think there are reasons why the wolf might have thought that Maca was less probably guarded that night.
Third: I might refer to yourself "babbling" here a bit. Sorry, in a hurry to reach the last point. I'll be back if needed...
Fourth:Wouldn't a wolf want to sway the ranger to waste his/her defense on himself? Wouldn't you, as a wolf, want to sway the ranger to protect yourself and leave Maca unguarded?I just don't see the point here. After either myself or Boro had been tried to kill, I thought of reminding the Ranger that the next Night's guarding probably is in vain as the wolf will visit the same one another time and kill him. So s/he should think most of who to guard not the next Night (no matter who as the last Night's victim will be dead anyhow) but the next after that. I was not sure whether fex. a ranger-Volo would have realised it because I had no memory of that rule being stated in this game although it's quite common (meaning no double rangering on the same person).
As a human innocent who felt that either I myself or Boro was under attack heavily, I thought it wise to make that note (it might have been myself dead and then the ranger might have protected Boro the next Night). I know that many of the players were familiar with the rule and were perfectly capable of getting the idea themselves, but there were at least one who - being the ranger - mightn't have known it...
X-talked with Lommy
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 08:34 AM
"Well, I knew she would have to go and tried to be as fast as I could... but my last was late. No can do." Nogrod leaned heavily to the desk he had come to and emptied his pint.
"This is not looking good, not at all. The wolf may now jump on Lommy's vote and then it starts to be bye-bye for the village. We were so close..."
With that he took another pint.
"But three votes left. I'll try to see if I have time to look at the things."
"Well, this does have sense, yes. I'm rather curious about Nogrod mentioning the seer and ranger a few times... Post #289 is really strange to me. This part the most:
I mean: If the one killed toNight is not the seer, and the wolf is still at loss, that is most important...
Now, friend Nogrod (whom I still can't see as a wolf, why would a wolf kill his both friends? Well, if he's been smoking strong stuff maybe, but...), this definitely looks like you knew who was attacked. What are you trying to say by bolding out the suspicious words like that? You did explain it somehow in post #348 and in #344 you explained why it would be a bad idea to vote Sleepy being a wolf. But I don't see how you are saying about being innocent yourself here...
Kath could just as well be a wolf, while you two are accusing each other, she is quiet. She is a well known late-morning person, but try not to vote yet. She is rather mysterious, but until now all the mysterious people have turned out innocent...
The ghost of Glirdan sure made a mistake there, no denying, the mistake not being what he said, but being that he said. I have a strong feeling that the wolf's name starts with a T. Nagrod, make points on Lommy or Kath for a change...
Now, I think I'll listen what Kath has to say.
(Cross-posted with everything after #351.)
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 09:08 AM
"I was meaning to shift there...
But as you ask. The bolding, that was the important part because if the wolf would have gotten a non-seer, that would be of utmost importance to be able to cover the Seer the Night after...
in #344 you explained why it would be a bad idea to vote Sleepy being a wolf. But I don't see how you are saying about being innocent yourself here...That is basically what we can never do here... or we all can say, but no one will listen anyone only saying it :)
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Just a first point about Lommy. Her fervent attack looks a bit weird. Add to it her systematic denial of actually pretty good arguments. It looks like she would wish to get her mind whatever the situation. Now who needs to do that toDay? She even goes so far as to voice the following:
Volo, please remember Kath's a she and recall her words. Kath, please trust Boromir's 'I catch no evil intent' -comment on Volo."
"Thirdly, please do not let Nogrod or yourselves to sway you to vote me. I am innocent. Recall all I have said if that helps. Trust me.This I must say I suspect strongly. When there are only four people left, a smart wolf would like to be friends with everyone, looking very well-tuned and lovely indeed (it sounds like a wise and caring mom or a Jesus attending those near her, only hoping for their best - in a game of werewolf in this situation!) and not wish to cast suspicion around to find the actual wolf looking from everywhere. So a good tactical pull off? "We are nice aren't we all, that Noggie goes on opening nasty doors and tries to look around?" That might be called the "Feel good"-factor. When you have been trusted, you tend to trust the one. Now she wants to get away herself nicely? I know she has timetable issues. Well what to do if you are a wolf on her position? Try to make as convincing case you can and cross your fingers for the best outcome...
Kath arrived, tired and confused, and caught Volo's comment.
"I'm sorry." She began. "But Kath has nothing of any help to say. I suspect all three of you because I don't know which one of you is the wolf! If that he in the narration was a slip on Glirdan's part (which has been seen before, one of my ancestors was involved in that particular village) then either Noggie or Volo must be the wolf. Lommy has looked wolvish to me often over the past few Days, but given the history I'm not sure I can ignore this."
She sighed, completely at a loss.
"I said I would analyses and I may yet, though they will be short if there at all as I'm not feeling all that great. The feud between Lommy and Nogrod is confusing things even more, and makes me inclined to vote Volo just to avoid it. But that is no reason to vote for someone. We cannot risk killing our Ranger. If an ordo died we might just be able to scrape back victory but we would be hard pressed to else.
Well, that was helpful wasn't it?" She rolled her eyes and decided to settle down to something more productive.
"I am going to attempt to do some kind of analysis. I'll be back with whatever I come up with."
She wandered over to a corner table and sat down to think things through.
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 11:19 AM
Nogrod stood up and wandered to the desk once again.
"Okay, I've looked at Lommy here and would like to point out a few things, some of them are noted here earlier, some I think are not.
Moderately wolvish things:
- She has managed to vote only the innocents and basically also suspected only innocents (Kath, naturally is a questionmark still). She had a fleeting suspicion of Valesse when she was the talk of the town, but that never came to anything like making a case or voting. So careful not to do any damage and more than happy to try cases over innocents? I mean, mostly they are only suggestions or hints to cases and there are lots of them, but as Boro remarked, there very rarely is anything more substantial in them. A wolf might like to try whether one of them would gather momentum with the help of others.
- Voices suspicion on others who suspect others but then does it herself quite frequently. Her reaction to Kath's analysis at the early stages was a telling one. Still she is constantly assuring others about her own innocense and calls others fellow-victims and whatever. A bit too eager to state these. And the toast for Di...
More suspicious things:
- She took the he-factor up early enough on Day5, but was happy to still vote for Naria rather than Sleepy. Only on Day6 did she use it as some kind of a basis for a vote. But then earlier toDay she was quite ready to go after Kath at the moment she seems most probably to be the wolf in the bunch as many had voiced suspicions of Kath yesterDay. And then, like a lightning from a clear sky she decides to take the he-factor and runs rampant on myself. One might be able to see here that she realised the worth of that argument only toDay. If she is the wolf, that point (thence a mistake by Glirdy) would be worth the whole game to her. It would be much better for her not to be the other one from whom we choose but to actually be safe.
- Also her almost rude attack on Gil the morning the wolf had been left a loner was somewhat non-Lommyisque. A frightened wolf ready to go for anything? There wasn't the intensity of toDay, but still both of these attacks do not look like they were made by an innocent Lommy.
To these I would like to add my earlier points on #359.
I don't know, but if I can't get anything better out, I'll be voting Lommy and hopefully helping the village to get rid of the monster.
I mean good heavens! Why would Boro put us three together (myself in the middle!) into a list, away from all the other text, if our status was not the same? If Lommy manages to twist the most probable facts of the list and manages to succeed, I'll surely bow to her, but not to us."
Then he filled his pint and got back to the armchair.
"I need some rest now. I'll be back."
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 01:00 PM
"My findings with Kath are much thinner. Her first actions are somewhat eyebrow-raising, but RL-issues seem to loom behind at least some of them. I mean Days with just a vote or a post to say something and then slipping in to vote another time. Her famous and argued "Summary" (in #182) made me suspect her then, but she has defended it reasonably after that.
Surely it is notable that she has consistently drawn her own line in voting, voting mainly for those who will not be killed or are not widely suspected. Her vote of Boro on Day3 surely is interesting. A wolf might give it a go.
Intrestingly this involves consistently voting for Lommy every other Day. I hope your reason toDay is not that you voted for her yesterDay and now it should be someone else? The only ones to break the cycle were Boro (sic!) and the Naria-Wagon.
I suspected her a lot yesterDay evening. Her misleading references that Maca managed to spot, and her total turnaround on the most suspicious person from Lommy to Sleepy looked very bad indeed. Now as I know what this man-factor is, I can't blame her on that anymore. Well, opportunism, surely that is possible. As I said of Lommy: for a she-wolf that kind of mistake would be a gift, a real gift!
What I'm afraid is that one's happiness of being able to get oneself out of reach of the votes toDay will endanger the whole village - however innocent one is.
So even if I tend to trust the list still, I will take a look at Volo too.
But Lommy I'm most suspicious now. No wolf jumping on her vote on me as soon as possible is kind of a telling tale. If we all three are innocents, there is no need for anyone of us to hurry with the vote. Or is the wolf so scared of the Night to come - and a possible third ranger-save - that s/he wishes to stay quiet and not look too obviously wolvish at this time of the Day to have something to defend from toMorrow?
Nogrod leaned back on his chair, this time without his pipe. He was whistling an old Southron melody he had learned as a kid. He never had learned the words, but he was sure they were something about war and sorrow. It was a beautiful tune, but sad.
"So Nogrod, you really want to put us against "the monster"? She sure seems more wolfish than you, but you are more subtle. I'll take example from an ancient ballad I heared just now somewhere in the deep left side of my head, it was something about death, wishing and a valley... I also noted that Lommy's ancestor was noted in the story, as a really unsuccessful wolf. The killer was as wolf as Lommy's ancestor, this tought me, that Nogrod shouldn't be as trusted as he is."
Volo felt really dizzy.
"I feel I'll lie down. I'll vote for either Lommy or Nogrod in an hour or two, if all's well enough..."
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 01:57 PM
"Take a break Volo. I was just going through my memory-archives on you... At least for now I still trust you more than Lommy. And even more I trust the list of the Seer, before anyone gives me a reason to doubt it with a better explanation. I think Lommy in the end didn't give us one, partly because he didn't have time to answer my counter questions - and mainly as her case against it seemed already built up on ignoring a lot of reasonable points made earlier by many...
And yes, the lorebooks tell of wonderful things, but that's the basic essence of the lore; to have all possible versions of different actions remembered to us who come later. That is important as it widens your scope of imagination and makes you able to see different scenarios. But in the end you need to consider the facts known to you and the beliefs you can argue for - and then see the feeling you have - of the present situation. We are not in lore. We are only becoming lore.
So think about it yourself. You see now more possibilities. How would they fit here? What would confirm things and what would not? What can you actually believe here, in this moment? What have you seen and felt?"
Nogrod sat back and tried to concentrate, but did not manage it. His thoughts were running rampant around. So slowly he rose up and went to have an ale more, slowly sipping it as he came back to his chair.
"I'll be ready in a moment, I hope... Feel free to break my peace if you have something in mind", with that Nogrod took a long draught and fell backwards to his chair, closing his eyes as he went.
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 02:10 PM
"By the way, what are your thoughts Kath? I think this is important enough to you too to make an input?" With that Nogrod raised up a little bit to see Kath sitting on her chair at the cornertable.
"I would really like to hear your thoughts before making my vote. For a wolf not suspected yet, this surely is the best situation to hold one's tongue and stay quiet, not giving the others anything to vote for. But if you're innocent, please let us know your thoughts. Otherwise it's hard to see you are after our common good..."
Nogrod fell down again.
"I am after the common good Nogrod," Kath replied with a sigh, burying her head in her hands, "but I just don't seem to be of much help toDay. I've been trying to do these analyses for ages but I just can't seem to get anywhere with them.
The way I see it a few things could be going on here. If you are a wolf then you're taking full advantage of this fight with Lommy to take her words and twist them, and if she's a wolf then she's doing the same thing. However, if Volo is the wolf then he is being very smart and staying right out of it and will just vote along with whomever he decides will benefit him most.
Now, one of these scenarios must be the case but which I have no idea. I suspected Lommy a lot early on, Volo some but Nogrod not at all. But I am still inclined to believe that the wolf is male. I'm not sure that it is Nogrod because my ancestors have seen his ancestors try to get out of danger before and there is a very different style this time, though that could be due to more knowledge and less pressure.
Quite honestly I am most inclined to vote Volo. I found some of his earlier behaviour suspicious and between the two males he is the one I find more suspicious.
Nogrod, those are my thoughts. They aren't much and I apologise for that, but that's all I've got."
"I might just as well save myself, sorry Nogrod, you were a great friend, teacher and talker, not to forget about boozer. Just is happens to be like that, I decided to believe Glirdys mistake and if you're a wolf, this is the last chance to win. If you're not the wolf, I'm sorry, but I had to decide and now I decided that I have more chances this way. Sad to kill a friend, though I rather have a killer free than a innocent person dead, but this is a nightmare I'll be glad to be out of.
++Nogrod, I wish you luck in your afterlife, I shall follow!"
Kath looked up as Volo voted.
"Well." She said. "I just hope Nogrod is our final wolf or it's likely we're all dead. Doesn't even matter who I vote for now does it? Noggie reached two first so he's dead. I'm going to abstain from voting I think. I've done no analyses toDay so I have no reasoning and there really is no point. I'll hang around til the end though."
Nogrod
09-19-2006, 03:21 PM
Nogrod waked from his thoughts to the sound of Volo presenting his apologies for a vote. Slowly he rose up from the bench and went to get another ale. After drinking half of it he turned to the two others in the room.
"That is so sad." He made a pause.
"I was already building a very good case on you... and we might have made it to the lorebooks, I'll tell you. But well..."
Nogrod took his pipe and filled it with his strongest blend, shaking his head slowly as he used his fingers to fill it.
"All's well that ends well, they say. I don't know what to say of it now. Well, I tried my best, anyhow. But if you wish to see me as your friend or teacher, please learn to see which are the conditions for victory. It's not the individual success: if you're left alone with a wolf, it eats you, my friend. If you're not sure, you must be also ready to make a sacrifice to actually win through others. And that is counted! Read your lorebooks well, brother"
He looked at Volo to the eyes and took a long deep inhale from his pipe and held his breath for a moment before releasing the smoke.
"Ya'know, mates, never trust the mods... weird bunch of slipperers they are."
With that Nogrod stepped out from the bar and sat down to the well at the town square.
"Just let me finish this pipeful. I want to die up high..."
With that he closed his eyes and breathed the smoke in slowly.
Glirdan
09-19-2006, 03:21 PM
And that's it!! Everything is over! I shall have the final posts up....later! :p (By the way, this one is done on purpose!!! :D ) So please stop posting!! Everyone!!
Glirdan
09-19-2006, 07:24 PM
The four final villagers gathered for what they hoped would be the final lynch. "Only two need cast their votes toNight," Wilwa said sadly. "Be sure you are happy with your decision." And she walked away slowly, never to be seen again.
The other villagers looked at each other and started addressing each other. Finally, two cas their votes...both for Nogrod.
The other three looked at each other, hoping they had made the right decision.
"So, what should we do to him?" Kath said nervously, always glancing sideways at Nogrod in fright.
"Well, we could attempt to trample him with my horses," Lommy suggested.
"No," Volo said straight out. "How about we poison him? I've been keeping some in my Inn to poison Wilwa..." he said, grinning evily.
"Ummm, no...." Kath said, horror struck at Volo's sudden outburst. "What if we cut him up and ate him?"
"Ugh!! NO!!!" They all shouted at once.
"I have an idea," said a deep voice behind them. "How about we do none of those, and I kill you all!"
~ * ~ * ~ * ~
TO BE CONTINUED....TOMORROW!!!! ( :p :D )
Glirdan
09-20-2006, 02:54 PM
The villagers turned slowly around to find a great hairy beast standing where Nogrod once stood. There was a big glob of drool hanging from his bottom lip as he slicked his lip in anticipation, excited at the meal he was about to recieve.
The villagers were rooted to the spot in pure fear. "What, are you all going to stand there as I kill you one by one?" Nogrod snarled in amusement. "Come on! I want a chase!" And he lunged at the Kath and Lommy, who screamed in utter terror.
Out of nowhere, an arrow zoomed into view and thudded right between the snarling beast and the girls. "Stay away from them!" Volo said quietly. The others turned to look at him. He had cast his Day garb aside. Underneath it, he had a sword attached to his sash and a quiver of arrows slung over his back with an bow out and another arrow already stung to it. "I said stay away from them you great ugly brute!!" Volo yelled and he fired off the arrow. It flew straight and pierced Nogrod's arm.
Nogrod howled in pain and ripped the arrow out of his arm. He turned quickly and lunged for Volo. He cast his sword aside and drew his sword. There was a deafning clang as Nogrod's claws clashed against Volo's sword.
A furious battle between the final Cursed and final Gifted errupted. They moved quickly, slashing here, clawing there. Finally, they stood ten feet apart from each other, each with cuts and scratches all over. Volo was panting heavily whereas Nogrod stood looking at him in pleasure.
"You have put up an excellent fight, Ranger. And I must comend you on your efforts to protect the village, but they were futile. You will all die anyway!"
"Is that so?" Volo asked, snearing. "Why don't you look behind you!"
Nogrod turned around quickly. Lommy and Kath, who, during the battle, had ran to Volo's Inn, had swords in their hands. Nogrod sneered. "Ha! I bet you two don't even know how to wield swords, you pathetic little whelps!"
"No, you're right," Kath said, smiling evily.
"We're just a distraction," Lommy said, smiling just as evily.
Then there was a loud twang from behind him and Nogrod fell, an arrow protruding from his heart.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~
Kath opened her eyes slowly, wondering where she was. "What, where am I? What happened?" She rose slowly and looked around. She saw Lommy and Volo standing there. And next to them was...Glirdan and Wilwa!
"What's going on?" she asked, utterly perplexed.
"That's just what we were asking," Volo said.
"Aren't you supposed to be dead, and you supposed to be lost forever!?" Lommy asked, frightened by what she saw in front of her.
"No, we are not dead. Neither are the people who you were with, with the exception of the Wolves. The others have been spared and sent back to their original era's. But you three have overcome all odds. You three, are exactly what we are looking for," Glirdan said smiling.
"And why's that?" Kath asked.
"Well, this all started awhile ago. Melkor, or as most no him as now, Morgoth, has laid siege on Beleriand," Wilwa started.
"Yes, know that, but what have these two got to do with it?" Lommy said inquisitively.
"We're getting to that, but these two need to know what's happening," Glirdan said shortly.
"As I was saying, Morgoth has laid siege on Beleriand and all it's inhabitants. He has put his most feared servant, Sauron, in charge of the island Tol-in-Gaurhoth. There, he breeds fell creatures, Werewolves in fact."
"And that's when I cam up with the idea of recrutting adventuerer's to come aid us. The only problem was how," Glirdan continued. "A short while ago, Wilwa and myself stumbled upon this little set up," he spread his arms to indicate the room. It was just then that Volo, Lommy and Kath noticed where they were. They were in a cave which was brightly lit and full of strange contraptions they had never even seen before.
"What is all this stuff?" Volo asked curiously.
"We don't exactly know, but we have thoughts," Wilwa answered. "With this equipment, we managed to travel to other era's in time and put everyone who was with you in a deep sleep. We brought you back here and put you in those pods."
"Now what happened is that once you were put in those pods, you all fell into a deep sleep and only until you were killed, or in your case, managed to find the Wolves, you stayed asleep. Once you were killed, you awoke and we sent you away."
"However, there are some who did outstanding work and we let them stay here. Boromir was one of those. We sent him off to help out in the war against Morgoth. And that is what you are here to do. You are here to help us in this war. That is if you would like," Glirdan said with a pleading expression.
Volo, Kath and Lommy looked at each other and said at the same time, "Of course we'll help!!"
Wilwa and Glirdan looked at each other and smiled. "Then be on your way, young heroes. The land of Beleriand beckons you!" And with a strange flash, the two Elves had disappeared.
"Man, they're good at that disappearing thing," Volo said, shaking his head in amazment.
"So, shall we go?" Kath asked them timidly.
"Yes, we shall. Follow me, for I know this land," Lommy said excitedly. And all three headed off out of the cave. They looked around the land.
Without a glance backwards, they set off into the sinking sun, not know what to expect on the horizon.
~ * ~ * ~ * ~
VILLAGERS WIN!!!
Dead
Glirdan (mod) - Mauled to death on Night 1
Meneltarmacil (wolf) - Squished into a pancake on Day 1
JennyHallu (innocent) - Killed and her body stolen on Night 2
Diamond (innocent) - Hanged on Day 2
Valier (innocent) - Killed, ripped to pieces and hidden in her study on Night 3
Valesse (wolf) - Burned to a crisp on Day 3
Gil-Galad (innocent) - Killed himself in a pot on Day 4
Boromir (seer) - Killed, burried and eyes gouged out on Night 5
Naria (innocent) - Beheaded by her own sword on Day 5
Sleepy Ranger (innocent) - Buried under poorly erected gallows on Day 6
Macalaure (innocent) - Flesh and meat ripped off and organs left sitting in the skeleton on Night 7
Nogrod (wolf) - Pierced through the heart by an arrow on Day 7
Alive
Lommy (innocent)
Volo (ranger)
Kath (innocent)
Now, I'm sure there are things you are wondering, like the Seer and Ranger lists, so here they are! Now, if the Wolves, Seer and Ranger could explain their choices later, that would be great too.
Seer
Night 1 - Meneltarmacil
Night 2 - Valier
Night 3 - Valesse
Night 4 - Macalaure
Night 5 - Sleepy Ranger
Ranger
Night 2 - Lommy
Night 3 - Macalaure
Night 4 - Boromir
Night 5 - Nogrod
Night 6 - Macalaure
Night 7 - Nogrod
As for the ending, I told you it was far fetched. :p
Anyway, here are my congrats:
Nogrod - You did absolutely amazing!! I was so happy watching you choose your kills near the end. You planned them out perfectly. Too bad that Ranger got in your way a few times. Which brings me to my next one...
Volo - For your first time and in a Gifted role, I am greatly impressed. You too were amazing!
Kath and Lommy - Congrats on making it to the end and managing to stay under the radar.
Boromir - I don't think I've ever seen a Seer get that lucky before. I was shocked and impressed when you naile the first two Wolves in three Days.
Valesse - You did amazing, especially since this was only your second time and in a Cursed role. Many congrats!
Menel - I had high hopes for you, but Boromir went and nailed you on the first Day. Still, I know you would have done an amazing job.
Everyone else - You have no idea how proud I am of each and every one of you. All of you have amazing writing skills and amazing playing skills. Of all three games I've modded, this has been the most fun, the funniest and the best game I have modded. I owe you all a great thank you. So, THANK YOU!!!!
Wilwa - Even though you didn't do a whole lot, you helped me with the planning of the ending and you did the other stuff I asked you to do. Thank you ever so much!!
Now, you can all post away and rep away!!
And once again, thank you too all of you for an amazing game!!
wilwarin538
09-20-2006, 04:36 PM
You're welcome!
Congrats villagers!
I know I wasn't that useful near the end, very very busy in real life, but I still had fun reading everything and doing the few posts I did.
You all played very well!
Boromir88
09-20-2006, 05:15 PM
Boromir - I don't think I've ever seen a Seer get that lucky before. I was shocked and impressed when you naile the first two Wolves in three Days.
You must have missed the game I was the Seer and Mithalwen modded, when I got Fea and Kuru, both wolves, in two days. :p
Congradulations villagers, and a super congrats to you Volo, for having two successful protections...(I'm not sure if that Ranger has done that in any game before).
It was fun seering, after I was whacked I was begging everyone to listen to Naria and Kath as they were pretty much dead on my votes and my mind. And eventhough if Nogrod was twisting everything I still never suspected him as a wolf, you almost pulled it off.
Basically just my thoughts. I've played with Menel before and know he can be a valuabe guy so I wanted to make sure about him right from the start, turns out bad luck for him. Then I thought exactly what Gil thought and perhaps Menel voted for Valier to throw us off, so I dreamt of her. I followed up my growing suspicions of Valesse with a dream. Then I really had no clue who the third wolf was. I thought perhaps Mac was trying to slip through, and if not him then Sleepy...Nogrod never came across as being a wolf, extremely bold move (don't think I would even attempt that :p ) but it almost paid off.
Good job for figuring the little conniving lycan out.
And a special congrats to Glirdan and Wilwa (glad I could make you laugh, :) ). I thorougly enjoyed this game it's got me back and addicted after I really wasn't sure about participating again considering how some prior games had gone.
The Saucepan Man
09-20-2006, 05:46 PM
I only really followed this towards the end, but it was fun to watch. Well done to all concerned. :)
You villagers really should have listened to Naria, you know, when she pointed out that Boro had left some doubt as to Noggie's innocence. It seemed to me to be a very insightful analysis so, after she turned out innocent, Nog was looking pretty suspicious to me for the remainder of the game. Luckily for you, Lommy finally picked up on the point again at the end - just in time.
But you did a great job too, Nogrod, as a lone Wolf throughout much of the game. I was half rooting for you and half screaming in frustration every time that you were once again assumed to be part of Boro's "innocent" list. :D
Valesse
09-20-2006, 11:15 PM
I have to agree. As I was following the game (almost obsessively. Honestly I think I refreshed the page more often post mortum than while I had business in it.) I had to cheer on Noggie's choice kills.
As for that strategy of ours... heh... it was a big bungled, but in the end looked rather different than it actually was.
Menel's death was rather upsetting for me at least. I didn't join the bandwagon against him not because... well... I'd look innocent, but because Nogrod has voted for him already, and our mission was first and most importantly to separate.
I ought to thank Menel here. When I was appointed wolf I had NO idea what to do about it. Honestly, this is my first 'gifted' position, and without that first hint of direction would have freaked out so quickly it wouldn't have been much of a game.
Oh goodness, I could go on until my death tonight, but alas right now I have homework and an early meeting. I will be back in a matter of hours to babble mindlessly on what I was involved with.
However I must mention to Boromir that I did think that Menel was "just joking". He was suppose to suspect Nogord that day from what I understood from our discussion the Night before. :p
Thinlómien
09-21-2006, 12:57 AM
I was wrong after all with the "I catch no evil intent" -thing.... Luckily the part I got right was the identity of the wolf. Cheers, Naria! We should have listened to you. Sorry for being a big factor in your lynch. (I can apologise after game, right? :p)
(By the way, Kath, what was so wrong with fellow victims? :confused: )
A great game everybody!
Especially Nogrod. Wonderful bluffing and back-stabbing. It wasn't that you were really suspicious on the last day but that Kath and Volo seemed just more innocent (partly by gut-feeling, I must admit).
Thanks for Boro too, for great seering.
And Volo, you were absolutely great for a ranger (and you were a newbie... I guess we tend to undervalue newbies.) Keep playing!
I must say, as a final note, that I was quite amused by the fact that the three people who were with me on the last day were my father, my RL friend and the first 'downer I ever really befriended with. :D
Macalaure
09-21-2006, 02:45 AM
Nogrod, you are a very bad person...
...and you know it...
...and you're probably proud of it! :p
How cold-blooded does one have to be to write something like the end of this post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=489507&postcount=338) knowing you're going to kill the addressee?
I was half rooting for you and half screaming in frustration every time that you were once again assumed to be part of Boro's "innocent" list. *sigh*
Boro was so sure about Nogrod's innocence, they were either both wolves, or Boro seer and Nogrod dreamt-of innocent to me. I even was suspicious of the two, but then Valesse turned out a wolf and I took the innocence of the two for granted. And after I saw I was right about Boro, I stopped questioning Nogrod. And that was my fault...
Whatever,
great game by everybody, especially Lommy, Kath and the not listened to Naria, and especially especially by Volo - amazing performance for a new one.
PS: Some of you called me Maca in this game. Pleeease, don't. Not only does it sound a little too feminine to me, but there's also the word 'Macker' in german, which is a not-so-nice term for a male.
I'm very fine with Mac. :)
By the way, Kath, what was so wrong with fellow victims?
Lommy, I don't really know! I had quite convinced myself that you were wolvish that I picked up on anything. Basically, I've been an ordo and a wolf and I have only ever heard the wolves refer to the villagers as 'victims'. Any other time I've been an ordo I've heard the word 'innocents' used. That's why.
But hurrah! We won! And apparently we're off to help fight in more battles. :D
Volo - amazing job. You have taken the curse of the Ranger and thrown it right off. Living to the end and making some truly excellent choices.
Boro - fantastic, two wolves almost from the off. Well done for keeping under wraps for so long too.
Nogrod - you were so close! And you played it so well. You seemed so confident the whole time. I've been in your position and was constantly in fear, how were you not?
Everyone else, I'm so glad this was such a good game after the problems a few weeks back. Nice to have a fun one to start things up again. Great playing all round.
Thanks to Glirdan as well, I did like the roleplaying aspect and I just wish I'd had more time to give to it!
Mithalwen
09-21-2006, 05:27 AM
You must have missed the game I was the Seer and Mithalwen modded, when I got Fea and Kuru, both wolves, in two days. :p
Well it was a very short game, Borosir :cool:
JennyHallu
09-21-2006, 06:28 AM
AGH!!!! I just knew Noggie was evil. Especially that last day when everything he said sounded so reasonable and made no sense.
So, wolvsies, why'd I get killed so early?
Meneltarmacil
09-21-2006, 09:51 AM
Well, it was a good game, though I missed most of it. Nogrod almost made it there...
Anyhow, I was wondering why I was killed the first Day and thought it was due to my post about Lommy and Naria. It turns out now that I was actually the casualty of a Seer's dream, and a very wise choice of a Seer's dream as well. (I would have dreamed about you first as well, Boromir.)
I'd hoped that my comment about Gil-Galad's occupation and Glirdan's death would have been interpreted as the rather obvious joke it was, though...
Anyway, is it just me or have I always been suspicious of Boromir88 when we've played together?
Valesse
09-21-2006, 09:54 AM
So, wolvsies, why'd I get killed so early?
Sounds like a good place to start today. After Menel was eliminated *sniffsniff* Nogrod and I... well... at least I was a bit frazzled. Basically instead of getting rid of Boromir (Which we should have!) we decided to pick a random person from the list (You, Jenny) in hopes that people would be thrown off by it. We also considered Lommy, which probably would have been much easier on Noggie IRL, but I completely forgot they knew one another.
During that second Day, Noggie tried to keep Mac and Boromir in close assosication with him, which most everyone picked up on nicely. Mwahahaha!
I had plans to frame Sleepy and Naria, but that didn't work out so well. Instead people were making a case against Diamond and Kath, and because I wanted it to look natural... I voted Kath. I must say that Nogrod's targets (Gil and Diamond) were much more effectively eliminated.
The third night Nogrod sounded like he was pretty sure he was going to die... Which I didn't understand at all.
As he had so gently stated the Day before, Boromir was going to be after me the next day, so naturally I'm panicing because all of my hope for a wolfish victory meant Nogrod staying alive... And keeping Nogrod alive meant we couldn't get rid of Boromir! Besides... now if we had gone and picked Boromir I would have looked twice as guilty as before.
Anyway, He was so stanchly protecting Noggie that it seemed foolish to remove him from our deceptive shield. You can't imagine how frustrating that was for me, so I gritted my teeth and suggested that we needed to get rid of Valier before she could put up anything incriminating against us. Hence her murder.
I knew the end was near for me because of you, Boromir *shakes fist* :p
Infact:
I feel as if there is a large chance that I will not survive tomorrow. I think it's important that we consider some post mortem plans if either one of us snuffs it during the Day.
Don't support me. I'd rather you vote for me than do what I did to Menel.
If we weren't suppose to be connected, what better way to remove a wolf from the 'pack' than to have it turn against it's own kind? I was sure it would promise us a victory and it worked until the very very end. Grr! So close, too!
I'd like to hear Nogrod's reasons for the other deaths, and why no one considered why the oh-so-innocent Nogrod lasted so long during the nights?
Naria
09-21-2006, 12:25 PM
Wow! I think this would have to be one of the funnest games I have been in and one of the most frustrating games. I really enjoyed myself this time! A special thanks to Glirdy and his moddess. Wonderful job, both of you. I really liked the rp format...I was a little apprehensive about it at first, but it worked out beautifully.
I knew that I had to have been on the right track(or somewhat) with Boro's dreams. After I went back and took another look at what he said...the pieces just fit together a little too good for it not to be right. After I died you guys should have heard me...I wanted to reach through the screen, on several occasions, and strangle some of you. I am just glad that Lommy used her better judgement for her last vote...wah hooo!!
Nogrod, you slippery bugger! You did a really good job for being a lone wolf. I still can't believe that so many people believed your bunk.
Volo, only one word comes to mind...Superb!
Boro, awesome seering. The only nit-pick that I would have is your 'innocent' list. Everyone is going to believe the seer's list no matter what happens and therefore I had a really hard time convincing others to the contrary. You dreamt of Mac, but why did you have Volo and Nog on your list?
Everyone else...congrats!! I loved playing with all of you :)
Oh yeah and why no one considered why the oh-so-innocent Nogrod lasted so long during the nights? Why indeed! I mean come on...he's a really good player(therefore a threat to the wolves) and he lasts night after night and then it comes down to one wolf to find and Nog still stays alive night after night. I really did think that someone would have picked up on that. :rolleyes: :D
Nogrod
09-21-2006, 12:43 PM
Absolutely Fabulous People!
This was a great comeback for the WW-games! A thriller, I might say... at least for me.
Back-stabbing my mates in the beginning of the game surely wasn't anything like my plan.
Sadly Menel went on the first Day the way he did. If I hadn't attacked him, all those who have played with me before would have gotten really suspicious of me not jumping hard on things I always go after in-game. And not the least when he would have been lynched and recognised as a wolf whom I didn't attack in my normal way...
Valesse I was waiting to save herself. Had she voted for Gil, she would have made it - and could have blamed the vote for self-preservation. I waited with my vote-message ready-written for her to post and reacted as soon as I saw she had done so - it was important she voted first to make Gil the first with three votes. I confess howling out aloud in front of my screen as I realised that she hadn't voted Gil.
So I realised being the small and lonely wolf among the frightening eight villagers, seer and ranger included... and decided to make a fight for it. Really, then I considered my chances quite minuscule indeed.
But it was sooo much fun!
Lommy I will have to re-christen to Lommy the Noggie's-Bane. This was the second time she actually triggered or arranged my death as a wolf and once she was one of the voters. Beautiful gaming Lommy! You had your eyes open!
Great gifted-work Boro and Volo! I remember Boro's earlier Seer-work too. You are just the the Absolute Seer! And Volo, you really started to annoy me when I realised that you had denied me the second time... :rolleyes: You really made an impressive entry to the WW! Although in the end I think it was not so bad to my "career" in the game that there were those two denials...
And really, Macalaure. I'm actually apologising to you my last words to you in the game. I just couldn't resist the temptation to add some emotional scenes to our RPG-element (and to make myself look a bit more innocent, perhaps? :) )...
And how happy I was when I realised that the others didn't listen to you Naria! You had astonishingly clear eyes! A bow to your direction.
Kath: very skillful indeed! You managed to play so reasonably that it was really hard to try to construct a real case against you in the end and so I had to go on with the "I trust you" -manner. That was one nail in my coffin.
And kudos to all those dying early too! You played beautifully as long as it lasted.
And even though I kind of disliked the "he-factor" -slippage which in the end nailed me (I'm not saying I would have been a sure winner without it, but my chances would have been lot better), a big hand to Glirdy! You modded well, and the whole RPG-idea was just outstanding! I really enjoyed this game!
PS. My last kill choices. Boro and Mac because they were trusted by almost all and because they trusted myself. Why would a wolf do that? Well, that's just why... :) (And surely I was quite sure Boro was the Seer.)
Lovely!
Boromir88
09-21-2006, 12:59 PM
It turns out now that I was actually the casualty of a Seer's dream~Menel
It did help that I had dreamed of you. And even though if I knew you were joking, I just used a passed experience with Wolf Formendacil as my reason to jump on you so that it didn't look too seerish and I could lay low for a while. :)
You dreamt of Mac, but why did you have Volo and Nog on your list?~Naria
I was thinking the same thing and was regretting doing it. I was pleading people to listen to you and Kath. After getting Valesse (sorry :D ), I was 99% sure I was the one targeted and then protected that night, so I pretty much knew I was dead meat the next day. I told myself that if the Ranger came out and said who he protected (glad you didn't Volo that was a great move), I would then come out and declare my seerness and reveal everything. However, this did not happen so I tried to stress the fact that I knew Mac was innocent, and as far as Nogrod and Volo, those were the two I felt were the most innocent, and was just going off a 'feeling' of them. In which one of those was wrong. Then you and Kath picked up on that very well, just it was hard getting people to believe you, especially with Nogrod around twisting things.
Nogrod, plain and simply I'm still shocked you were a wolf. Like I said in the game you'd be the greatest back-stabbing, yet brilliant wolf if you pulled off a win.
Thanks Glirdan! You sure made me look heroic in the end-post :P Well, even if this did cost morning alertness, I enjoyed myself! This sure was a bunch of clever people!
Well, from my part this game was luck... Just protected the people in a succesful order and posted my own senseless opinions. I really feel that I haven't learned much and am still a total newbie... If not for Nogrod's teacher-role, I'd be dead and so would be Kath and Lommy. He sure left many clues now that I read some posts again, the reason I then desided to vote him (at midnight) was post #356 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=489778&postcount=356) , maybe of fear or knowledge that this was the last chance to get rid of wolf-Nogrod...
Thanks to all of you! Especially to you, who really put your time in the game. I'll sure continue participating in WW!
But then this last question that I have wondered for some time! Did Nogrod ask Glirdan to make "the mistake"?
EDIT: it seems not...
Nogrod
09-21-2006, 02:21 PM
Then you and Kath picked up on that very well, just it was hard getting people to believe you, especially with Nogrod around twisting things. :p That's what we lycantrophes are here to do to survive... :D
Nogrod, plain and simply I'm still shocked you were a wolf. Like I said in the game you'd be the greatest back-stabbing, yet brilliant wolf if you pulled off a win.Well, in the end I didn't... but who cares? It was so much fun that the win would have been just one more spice to the stew - a nice one to be sure - but anyway. As I said, I really enjoyed playing again and am more than happy with the game as it went!
But then this last question that I have wondered for some time! Did Nogrod ask Glirdan to make "the mistake"?
EDIT: it seems not...Correct! I may be a "sporty player" who likes to take risks and try daring tactics (as voting for Sleepy was, as I wanted to finish the game the "beautiful way", however it would turn out), but I'm not wishing to play it at a "Deity-level"... which that request would have made it! :D
Thinlómien
09-22-2006, 02:17 AM
I'd like to hear Nogrod's reasons for the other deaths, and why no one considered why the oh-so-innocent Nogrod lasted so long during the nights?Hey, I got to it on the last day! ;)
After I died you guys should have heard me...I wanted to reach through the screen, on several occasions, and strangle some of you.Poor you.
Lommy I will have to re-christen to Lommy the Noggie's-Bane. This was the second time she actually triggered or arranged my death as a wolf and once she was one of the voters. Beautiful gaming Lommy! You had your eyes open!:D I don't even want to see the game where I'm a wolf and you're innocent though... :eek:
Besides, this game earned a new title for Menel. He might from now on call himself a Fenris Wolf. Almost all of us are proud to have the title (see signatures). Though, there's one traitor, and he would even have the honorary title Fenris Penguin...
Boromir88
09-22-2006, 06:04 AM
Though, there's one traitor, and he would even have the honorary title Fenris Penguin...
You wouldn't be referring to me now would you? :p
That wasn't an accurate portrayal, I just need to learn to shut my mouth sometimes. (Or I guess my fingers?) :rolleyes:
Thinlómien
09-23-2006, 03:26 AM
You wouldn't be referring to me now would you? :p
That wasn't an accurate portrayal, I just need to learn to shut my mouth sometimes. (Or I guess my fingers?) :rolleyes:You could be proud of your mistakes... ;) (like me)
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