WWJ XII: "Oh the tangled web we weave..."

[Valier]

This is a game of body snatching. The storyline will be saved for the game start. It is the Third age, so Occupations should be fitting of that age. Players if you so want, we can make the game in r-p style to make it more interesting. I will take votes on the junior thread as to what would be liked. (remember you may be "snatched" at any time and become a Thing yourself!)
Roles:

3 Things (WW'S)

1 Seer

1 Weaver

1 Ranger

9 Ordinary villagers


The Seer will dream of one player each night. They will pm the mod (me) with this dream. They will be told the role of the said player. The Seer may not pm with the Weaver at any time. The Seer may re dream about any player as many times as they like. If the Seer gets "snatched" by a Thing, they do not become a Thing themselves, they die slowly over 24 hours just as the Weaver does.

The Ranger will pm me their choice nightly of who they wish to protect for the night, they may protect the same villager twice in a row, but twice only. They must then protect someone else for at least one night. If the Ranger is "snatched" by a Thing, they do indeed become one themselves.

The Weaver will ask the Mod (me) about 2 players each night (via pm). They will be told if their is a connection between the two or not. There will be a connection between the two if they share the same role. ie: 2 Ordo's, 2 Baddies. Or there will be no connection between the two if they have different roles. ie: Seer and Ordo, or Ordo and Baddie and so on. The Weaver may at no time pm with the Seer. The weaver may pick the same player to weave as many time as they like. Players may pm me if they would like this role.

The 3 Things work as follows. The Things may pm with each other at night only. They will be assigned a random # each night by the Mod(me) Ex: Thing #1, Thing #2 and Thing #3. This will change each night and the Things are unaware who is what #. Each night the Things will have two duties. They will first each pm me a Thing, either #1, 2 or 3 (remember they do not know who is what)The thing with the most votes "wins". They will then discuss who shall be their victim, and pm me the name. The villager they pick will not die. The Chosen Thing will instead snatch the body of the chosen victim. The chosen Thing will then in turn die and the chosen villager will now be a Thing. Ex: Ok so say Myself, Lommy and Nogrod are Things. We chose Thing #3 for the night who happens to be say, me. And we chose to "kill" Naria (Ordo) I would die that night and be replace by Naria who would be told of her transformation and let in on who are the other things. The Thing that dies will be known as an Ordo at their death.

The only way to kill a Thing will be during the day with a lynching. The Things may not make any new Things if one dies. They may only switch bodies. If the Things chose the Weaver or Seer to body snatch, they will be told they chose the Weaver/Seer,as well as the Weaver/Seer will be told they were attacked, but the Weaver/Seer is protected for this one attack, giving the Weaver/Seer time to share their info with the village, the weaver has 24 hours and then they die. They do not become a Thing. NOTE: WHEN THE THINGS CHOSE THE SEER OR THE WEAVER, NO THING DIES, BECAUSE THEY CANNOT SNATCH THE GIFTEDS BODIES. THE GIFTED (-Ranger) DIE OVER 24 HOURS. THEY WILL BE TOLD THEY ARE DYING.

Rules:

Votes will be displayed as follows on a separate line and bolded

++Valier

Or to retract (only once per day)

- -Valier

++ Volo

-No double lynching

-Retractable votes (only 1)

- In the event of a tie the first one to get the majority vote dies.

-You must post and vote every day if you do not do this for 2 consecutive days you die!!

-You must post a reason for edits (must be a good one!! :p )

-Day and Night will begin at 10pm CST can be altered slightly (within 2 hours)

-If you cannot post or vote for any reason please post this in the junior thread.

-You must be in invisible mode for the duration of the game

-You may not pm any other players concerning the game

-Please do not post on this thread until the game starts. You may sign up on the WW Junior thread.

P.S I know this sounds confusing, but it is more simple than it looks. I will answer any questions you may have on the junior thread, no matter how silly they may seem. Please ask lots of questions before we start!!

[The Saucepan Man]

Thing #1, Thing #2 and Thing #3.Can I be the Cat in that Hat? ;)

[Gil-Galad]

Retractable votes, one a day or one during the whole game?

[Valier]

One a day Gil-Galad. Can you please keep your questions to the WWJ thread though. :D

[Valier]

I have revised some of the rules please read them thoroughly and ask any questions you have on the wwjunior thread. :)

[Valier]

The evening was cool, Snowflakes fell gracefully to the earth, each one dancing to it's own melody. A lone elderly woman could be seen,scurrying to and fro huffing and puffing in the cool evening air, transferring large milk jugs upon her cart. Her name is Valier and she is the milkmaid of their village. She is the last of her family and the world is not long for her. She continues her families duties and passion even with her failing health. As she prepares the morning route, something caught her eye. A strange glowing light alit from a nearby wooded area. Perhaps a fire had broken out. Or perhaps the cause of the light was some Elves going about their business. She hoped to herself that it was the latter. Placing the milk jugs down in mid lift, she left to have a look. The moon rose higher and still she followed the eerie light. Then abruptly she found herself in a large clearing. There in the middle was the light, pulsing as if with life. The light began to fade with every step that Valier made toward the object as if a beacon to it's caller that had been answered. Her curiosity took hold and Valier crept closer. The light was almost out now as she drew upon it. She pulled her cloak about her to gather warmth as much as for security. There on the ground before her lay an oddly disgusting pile of goo, and within the goo sat three fat writhing slug looking creatures. Valier stood there with mouth ajar. She knew she should run, but she was strangely drawn to the grotesque sight. Her hair stood up on her arms, something had whispered her name not just to her but in her mind. It was an odd comfort and without realizing, she bent on a knee and picked-up the THING. It violently sprang from her hands and attached to her face....... ("in her mind")blackness,whats happening where am I, Valier said to herself as she lost control of herself and functions she felt her bowels empty as the blackness consumed her.......DARKNESS,DEATH!


She was awoken from the cold and abruptly sprang to her feet as if with a renewed energy and youth, she stretches and surveys the area while bending over to collect her two friends, gingerly wrapped in her cloak and headed back to "her" forgotten duties with an otherly grin.



List of Villagers


Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
JennyHallu- Prophetess
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Glirdan- Town musician
Briseis- Seamstress
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Folwren- Jack the Blacksmith
Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one)
Thinlomien- Blind gardener maid
Nogrod- GoatHerder
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller

Night 1 has now begun.

Weaver send me your "Dream" Things continue conversing. Day starts at 10:00 pm CST (GMT-6) Monday.

[Valier]

Valier walked steadily and confidently towards a small group of houses. She carried two large milk jugs upon her withered shoulders as if they weighed nothing. She breathed deeply of the cool, crispy winter air and stepped up to a door that the light inside was still on. *Knock* Knock* The door opens slightly, but whoever answers is unseen. "Oh hello Valier. A little late for a delivery, don't you think?....Valier? Oh dear god!!!! NO!!!!!!!! DARKNESS, DEATH

Valier moves more slowly towards a second house, this body can not take much more... On she goes till she reaches another house with lights alit. *Knock* Knock* The door creaks open. "Well Valier!! What a surprise! Is something wrong?...." Valier reaches once more for her pocket... Dread, fear....DARKNESS,DEATH


It begins to snow harder as the long night moves on. The body is spent. She sits in the ever rising snow and waits. Not long, for up the road comes a trotting of hooves as a carriage nears. It nearly passes her by, but at the last minute it stops and someone jumps out, someone younger and stronger.... "Madame are you alright? Do you need assistance?" The woman whispered something the kind stranger could not hear, so they bent closer. They would never get a chance to rue that moment...... DARKNESS, DEATH

The village grew quiet. The dawn rose with hoarfrost covering everything. The villagers awoke and went about their daily duties, but something was different, something was going to happen, the air was filled with static.

A horrible scream rang out breaking whatever peace there was to be left of the day.
" Valier!!! Oh Valier!!!! What in dear god has happened!???" There sprawled out in the snow lay Valier, her body shrivelled and dry, she looked as if every last bit of life was drained from her body. "What is going on here?" Shrieked Thinlomien, running towards the scream "I cannot see!! Please what has happened to Valier?" " You do not want to know I am sure" remarked Jack the blacksmith. " Something strange is going on here and we need to find out!" Said someone in the back. " My dogs were going nuts last night!" yelled out Volo "Something is here and it means us all harm, No amount of charm will help us get through this. " "That is just crazy talk!! Crazy old Loon!!" Shouted Briseis in disgusted.

Voices grew louder and the tension rose, but this was and is, only the beginning.


Dead villagers

Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod



Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
JennyHallu- Prophetess
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Glirdan- Town musician
Briseis- Seamstress
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Folwren- Jack the Blacksmith
Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one)
Thinlomien- Blind gardener maid
Nogrod- GoatHerder
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller


Day 1 has now begun. Things stop pming. Day ends at 10:00pm CST (GMT-6) Tomorrow. You may now post on this thread.

Let the paranoia begin.

[Gil-Galad]

"oooh...well thats going to leave a mark" Gil casually remarked

"but i guess assumptions are going to have to wait till later today people, we must wait for the comments... such a shame...poor Valier, it has to be our village out of hundreds, waiting to be populated by unearthly creatures, for her blood to paint its simple walls..."

[Rikae]

Oh my sweet Mozzarella! This is terrible. Who could have done such a thing to poor, dear Valier (and how will I make this month's batch of gorgonzola without milk?). I can't believe such a thing would happen here, in our quiet little village!
Now, nobody panic. It will be all right, if we remain calm and keep our wits about us. When I was at the cheesemaker's convention in Bree last year, I was able to hear the news from all over Middle Earth. One story I heard was of two villages beset by werewolves hidden in their midst. Every night the wolves killed a villager, but this was not the only danger - many innocent villagers were lynched by their neighbors before the horrible business finally came to an end. Some died because they spoke too soon, or made baseless accusations; others, because they tried to keep a low profile. Often, those that spoke first were wolves; I trust you will understand that I speak first now so that others may have the courage to speak their minds also, and if I go to my death today or tonight at least I will have had my say.

We have among us, if I read the narrative rightly, three "things". One young and strong, one who was up late last night, and one who expected a delivery of milk. I am aware all three of these statements apply to me, and therefore my chances of seeing sunset are quite slim already. I will then try to be as helpful as I can in what little time I have, for my allegiance lies with the villagers, as my death will confirm.

The only ones among you who truly know anything are the things. They are the only ones now with knowledge to condemn or absolve anybody. They are bound to each other. Look for those who speak quickly, those who wish to lead. Beware of those who are certain. Admittedly random accusations have meant innocence in other villages, for the innocent know they know nothing. Beware of those who collaborate to defend anyone also, for only the things and the seer know who is who. Demand explanations, and avoid bandwagons.

I am aware that according to my own advice, I am the logical choice for today's lynching - but so be it. The chances are, to-day, that a villager will die - if I can speak plainly for one day, and thereby save my village, it has been worth this miserable cheesemaker's life.

[Thinlómien]

Poor Valier. What evil did she ever do to anyone? She was a gentle spirit, may she rest in peace and find a better place where grass is greener, flowers blossom and no werewolves roam.

Gil is the incarnation of the-start-of-day1-ishness.

Rikae speaks sense, I grant her that. Her words are wise (yet obvious, but what else than obvious or nonsense you can talk on Day1?), but her manner bugs me a bit. I mean, she continuosly presents an assumption of the things and adds "of course, that applies to me" or something of the sort. That makes me uneasy. Why to do this? She seems to have acquinted herself with past villages (thus she has knowledge) and maybe she has noticed that adding oneself to one's own lists of possible baddies based on evidence is usually regarded as an innocentish thing? I mean, she's kind of lifting the suspicion of herself by herself, if you follow my meaning. I can't help getting the feeling that she tries to underline her innocence. You can't condemn anyone based on one single post, but I'll be watching Rikae.

I'm telling this now already; I unfortunately must vote quite early. (Check the TiG-junior thread.)

[Macalaure]

DOOM IS UPON US!

Flee! Hide!

The Things are after us! They will kill us if they can! They will turn us into one of their own kind!

Run! Hide!

Wait, better: Don't run! Don't hide! Better to die earlier than later! There's nowhere to run and nowhere to hide anyway.

[Macalaure]

*ahem*

Three things that go hunting for us in the night while we try to lynch them at day? Sounds strangely familiar. A dark doom has been laid upon me and my ancestors that we always get caught up in villages like that. So, let us try to save our skin, however futile the effort may seem.

How do we proceed?

Nice suggestions you gave there, Rikae.
Well, in a way...

Look for those who speak quickly, those who wish to lead.Some innocents will try to lead us out of this misery, too. But you're right in part. Since a thing will die earlier than a wolf, they can lead us without worry. A wolf that leads us wrong will meet the vengeance of the innocents before the end, while a thing dies before that can happen.

Beware of those who are certain.My lorebook tells me that this is exactly the image most things try to avoid. May not count for each of them, though.

Admittedly random accusations have meant innocence in other villages, for the innocent know they know nothing.
...
Demand explanations,Isn't this a bit contradicting?
Random accusations are a curse, I tell you, even if admitted. They usually give the accuser a sure raise on everybody's suspicion list. Demanding explanation is a good counsel. Look for crooked explanations!

Beware of those who collaborate to defend anyone also, for only the things and the seer know who is who.The weaver also knows a bit. And the wolves don't know the gifted villagers. Again, obvious collaboration is something things tend to avoid, at least usually. And if nobody dares to defend another, even if s/he does not know of the other's innocence, this village will turn into a mad chicken house.

and avoid bandwagons.Be careful! The opposite often is even worse. If the votes are spread all over the village, then the few votes of the things will carry a heavier weight. It's best to first discuss whom to vote for and then build a well-reasoned bandwaggon. Bandwaggons are only really dangerous if they get out of control early in the day.

I will then try to be as helpful as I can in what little time I have, for my allegiance lies with the villagers, as my death will confirm.Ai! But, unless you're the seer or weaver, it won't. You'll just be turned into one of them, and nobody will notice.


Hmmm. I have to admit that your post would usually make me very, very suspicious of you. But this is your first game, so I'll be nice. ;)
For now...


It'll be interesting to see some new wolf/thing tactics this game. The things don't only have to think about whom they want out of the game, but also whom they want on their side.

edit:x-ed with Lommy

[Macalaure]

Rikae speaks sense, I grant her that. Her words are wise (yet obvious, but what else than obvious or nonsense you can talk on Day1?), but her manner bugs me a bit. I mean, she continuosly presents an assumption of the things and adds "of course, that applies to me" or something of the sort. That makes me uneasy. Why to do this? She seems to have acquinted herself with past villages (thus she has knowledge) and maybe she has noticed that adding oneself to one's own lists of possible baddies based on evidence is usually regarded as an innocentish thing? I mean, she's kind of lifting the suspicion of herself by herself, if you follow my meaning. I can't help getting the feeling that she tries to underline her innocence. You can't condemn anyone based on one single post, but I'll be watching Rikae.
Interesting that you say she speaks sense, which, pardon me, she doesn't all the way through, but then pick on her because of her manner. Yes, she does some nilpish self-accusation, but everytime she does it's clearly in-character.
Do I have to worry about you, Lommy? ;)

[Thinlómien]

triple post - urksHaha, Mac, you're taking after me then. :p

Interesting that you say she speaks sense, which, pardon me, she doesn't all the way through, . . . You pointed out some "flaws" or maybe "not thought-out-to-the-end" -things, that I did not notice or consider that important and helped me see her "reasonableness" partly in other light. Yet, I'd still say she makes sense (generally speaking, of course, I don't necessarily agree with her about everything, for example "being certain"; that varies too much from one baddie to another).

. . . but then pick on her because of her manner. Yes, she does some nilpish self-accusation, but everytime she does it's clearly in-character.I disagree about being in-character all the time. But let's not argue about that, the manner bugs me regardless of if it's in-character or not. Besides, I wouldn't compare her manner with Nilp's; Nilp says he's a wolf and Rikae just says that certain facts hint to her possible guilt. It is her manner that makes me wary of her, not her suggestions or something else. If she didn't have that self-accusing habit, she wouldn't probably seem suspicious to me. The points you, Mac, think make her wolvish-looking (or thingish-looking) I think could be interpreted in two ways; suspicious or not-considered-all-the-sides-of-the-matter. Without that "self-suspecting manner" I'd lean the later mentioned possibility, now I'm not sure.

Admittedly random accusations have meant innocence in other villages, for the innocent know they know nothing.
...
Demand explanations,
Isn't this a bit contradicting?
Random accusations are a curse, I tell you, even if admitted. They usually give the accuser a sure raise on everybody's suspicion list. Demanding explanation is a good counsel. Look for crooked explanations!Sorry, but I don't see your point here. Could you elaborate? Why are those statements contradicting? :confused: Am I stupid or are you not making sense?

[Macalaure]

If random accusations aren't a bad thing, then why demand explanations for them? I see a contradiction in that.

I'm not saying Rikae is thingish-looking. She's on the not-considered-all-the-sides-of-the-matter -side, as you say it. If a more experienced werewolfer said the same I would've been wary. But that is not the case. It remembers me of my first game. I followed some games before and thought I quite got the hang of it and vocally said so, but it wasn't the case on all occasions.

Good you explained yourself, Lommy. Your other post looked surprisingly thingish to me: Calling sense what wasn't entirely sense (and probably hoping other innocents would fall for it) to me, but calling her suspicious anyway.

[Glirdan]

Ah! Valier is dead!? How tragic!! I would discuss more but I must depart (OOC - school). I shall be back later on in the day.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Actuallt to me Rikae is the most non-thingish of those who has posted. Mac, you know that almost everything in this game is dubble edged, the same argument can be used to prove both innocens and guilt.

I for one like Rikae's style

I don't understand why you use so much time to attack her arguments, if you knew all along that you were not going to act on it
Hmmm. I have to admit that your post would usually make me very, very suspicious of you. But this is your first game, so I'll be nice.


I AM THE WEAVER

(it is true look at my ocupation)


I will now go over Thinny's posts and see if I can make anything of them.

[Meneltarmacil]

Yo ho ho, me mateys! W've got some trouble in this village, it seems!

Catching these Things and making 'em walk the plank will be tough, as you really can't trust anyone, even known innocents. Shiver me timbers, it be a dire scenario! I personally would only follow up on suspicions rather than rely on "known innocents" here, as they have a way of changing on you.

Arrr, I don't know how honest you are there, Rune, but I don't think revealing yourself as the Weaver this early is a very wise thing to do, matey.

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh, uh, wait a second, there, matey. I see you're just making a little joke by referring to your occupation.

[Macalaure]

Actuallt to me Rikae is the most non-thingish of those who has posted. Mac, you know that almost everything in this game is dubble edged, the same argument can be used to prove both innocens and guilt.

I for one like Rikae's style

I don't understand why you use so much time to attack her arguments, if you knew all along that you were not going to act on it
Once again, I don't think Rikae looks thingish.
My intention was not to attack her points. Sorry if it looks like that. But I think her points aren't sound, so I explained what I think about the matters, independent of her possible guilt. Because of the late (or should I say, early) deadline, many Europeans will be forced to vote long before it. The more important to get the discussion going soon, I think, and I saw a possibility for that.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yes. . .The only reason for me chosing that occupation was so that I could say those words!

[JennyHallu]

Hello Village.

I foresee a long and difficult day ahead, and suggest we get down to business.

Those who have posted:
Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Thinlomien- Blind gardener maid
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Glirdan- Town musician
Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one)
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
JennyHallu- Prophetess

Those who have not:
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Briseis- Seamstress
Folwren- Jack the Blacksmith
Nogrod- GoatHerder
Eonwe- Miller

We've got a good half the village active this morning, and therefore it's a safe bet that at least one of those who've posted is working against us. Ignoring Glirdy for now, since he merely checked in, I'm most inclined to believe that our problem child is Mac or Lommy, but this is bare bones gut-feeling, and has little significance.

Rikae's tone struck me as more than a little over-the-top for a first post, and I hardly understand why one would write a first post to warn about first posts (which have been proven to be of little true significance), but that's likely a rookie's exuberance, and therefore excusable.

[Volo]

Volo walked lazily into the crowd, he really didn't feel like thinking about anything else, except an idea he so wanted to write down but just didn't have time for it.
"Things aren't fine, are they? Some things sure make our things hard.

Well, like always, I'll say "well" and post something that makes some sence, but doesn't tell anybody anything new.

Rikae just told us how the game works, something that seems often done on the first day. I can mean anything at all.

But then straight on Mac, three posts after only three posts. Well, I agree, the first one wasn't that interesting and can be thrown out. May I ask how did you manage to cross-post with Lommy? ;) It does seem somewhat thingy to say so much so early, like we have seen before :rolleyes:. But then again, he didn't actually say much thingy stuff, seems pretty honest to me, even if too much. :)

Lommy seems as Lommy as ever, and those Lommy's I have seen weren't wolves. It feels like honest talk so far, without evil intent.

Everybody else have said too little for somebody like me to see. Even the blind seem to see more than me.

It sure might be that we have a thing or two in the skin of a sheep, but I find it too early to say anything. Except that I'll have to vote before some of you will even post their first post. For that don't be too harsh with my pointless vote."

Ah, at last Volo could sit down and write freely. Now this is life.

[Rikae]

I mean, she continuosly presents an assumption of the things and adds "of course, that applies to me" or something of the sort. That makes me uneasy. Why to do this?Because if I don't point it out, someone else will, and because I want to start discussion without pointing fingers at other people.
The village doomsayer appears to have extensive knowledge of this type of terrible situation, and yet, much of what he says appears to contradict what has happened in other villiages.
Since a thing will die earlier than a wolf, they can lead us without worry. A wolf that leads us wrong will meet the vengeance of the innocents before the end, while a thing dies before that can happen.
But in other villages, there has frequently been an 'alpha wolf' type who did take a leadership role, which allowed him/her to direct votes and appear knowledgable, helpful, indispensible...while the other two kept a low profile.
You are right in saying a thing has less need to worry about keeping our trust long-term. One of the things will be revealed tomorrow night, and they don't know which. I don't doubt they will accuse and defend with this in mind.
My lorebook tells me that this is exactly the image most things try to avoid. May not count for each of them, though.Try, yes, but according to the experiences of other villagers, the certainty of a wolf/thing has a tendancy to show through nonetheless.

Isn't this a bit contradicting?
Random accusations are a curse, I tell you, even if admitted. They usually give the accuser a sure raise on everybody's suspicion list. Demanding explanation is a good counsel. Look for crooked explanations!
If random accusations aren't a bad thing, then why demand explanations for them? I see a contradiction in that.
I'm saying random accusations may be the act of an innocent who wishes to get his/her vote out of the way without starting a bandwagon.
I am certainly not saying others should join in on a random persecution. Just the opposite!



Be careful! The opposite often is even worse. If the votes are spread all over the village, then the few votes of the things will carry a heavier weight. Which will expose the things. Bandwagons are easy to hide in!


Ai! But, unless you're the seer or weaver, it won't. You'll just be turned into one of them, and nobody will notice.
I did say day or night; I was thinking of Werewolf infestations, with which I am more familiar. You're right, of course.
Hmmm. I have to admit that your post would usually make me very, very suspicious of you. But this is your first game, so I'll be nice. ;)
For now...Macalaure casts me in a bad light while simultaneously distancing himself and drawing attention to his own experience. I'm not saying it's thingish behavior, only that it might be worth taking note of.

I don't understand why you use so much time to attack her arguments, if you knew all along that you were not going to act on itIndeed.

EDIT: Xed with Volo and Jenny.

[Thinlómien]

Calling sense what wasn't entirely sense (and probably hoping other innocents would fall for it) to me, but calling her suspicious anyway.Can't a suspicious person make sense?

If random accusations aren't a bad thing, then why demand explanations for them? I see a contradiction in that.If that was your point, I see your logic.

Jenny, you're probably right assuming that at least one of those who have posted is a thing, but I must say I personally dislike making a list that doesn't have anything to do with anything (suspicious behaviour, suspects etc.) and drawing mathemathical conclusions from it. The only thing that can be achieved from that is confusion. (If you used that as a prettier way to say who the posters this far is the most suspicious in your opinion, then I understand it, but would prefer it in a clearer form. Thank you.)

I must vote soon. :rolleyes: I'm off to read through the thread and decide who I will vote. Today I won't be voting anyone who's not have a word, but the deadline being what it is (not meant as criticism) I can't afford that mercy in the days to come (assuming, of course, that I'm alive). Besides, I shouldn't have any reason to vote anyone who has not yet spoken... :D

EDIT: xed with Volo and Rikae

[Thinlómien]

Rikae seems a bit less suspicious in my opinion after her post; it has a general innocent feel. (Clearing up: Yes, I still think her somewhat suspicious.) There are a few things she says I disagree with/ consider strange:

Because if I don't point it out, someone else will . . .I'm not sure if this is a very good argument. You can't escape suspicion and accusations by suspecting yourself, if that was your intent.

But in other villages, there has frequently been an 'alpha wolf' type who did take a leadership role, which allowed him/her to direct votes and appear knowledgable, helpful, indispensible...while the other two kept a low profile. That is true, but we shouldn't count on that. Remember that it's easy for the baddies to play on our expectations of their behaviour. Much also depends on what kind of personalities the baddies are. If, for example, Nogrod, Boro and Mac were baddies, I doubt we'd have only one "alpha wolf" and the number of the "slip-under-the-radars" would consequently be much smaller...

Which will expose the things. Bandwagons are easy to hide in!Yes, they are, but so are single votes. According to my experiences, bandwagoners tend to be analysed the most, especially if they lynch a wolf. One single vote can be seen only as a whim or differing opinion and then ignored.

PS. If you have not yet caught it, I use three dots with spaces between them, like this . . . to present that I have taken a passage out from a quotation.

[Macalaure]

But in other villages, there has frequently been an 'alpha wolf' type who did take a leadership role, which allowed him/her to direct votes and appear knowledgable, helpful, indispensible...while the other two kept a low profile.
True. But there are always 'alpha innocents', who are knowledgable, helpful and indispensible. Lynching those is the joy of the things at night.

Try, yes, but according to the experiences of other villagers, the certainty of a wolf/thing has a tendancy to show through nonetheless.I have the impression that it's the eagerness to avoid certainty that often gets wolves into trouble.

I'm saying random accusations may be the act of an innocent who wishes to get his/her vote out of the way without starting a bandwagon.
I am certainly not saying others should join in on a random persecution. Just the opposite!Then we agree.

Bandwagons are easy to hide in!Not always. The waggoneers will usually be closely examined the next day.


I generally hold the opinion that it's not good to narrow the search for things on specifics. Different things hide in different ways. Though everybody of course has some stereotypes in the back of their heads, it's best to have a wide view of everybody, though it's not always easy to.


Macalaure casts me in a bad light while simultaneously distancing himself and drawing attention to his own experience. I'm not saying it's thingish behavior, only that it might be worth taking note of.It wasn't my intention to cast a bad light on you. After this post, I'm rather fond of your innocence actually. Also note that I defended you against Lommy. It was only a possibility to get people to discuss, to me. You know how slow and unsubstantial Day 1s often are in the beginning.


Can't a suspicious person make sense?Sure. But if I suspect somebody to be a thing, I suspect there to be something wrong in the sense that is made.

[Thinlómien]

In principle I am/was against lynching newcomers so that they might have a chance to really play, but then I realised that were I still a newcomer to the wws, I wouldn't like anyone not to vote me solely based on my newcomerishness. Hopefully, Rikae, you feel the same way, because my vote will be for

++Rikae

She seems to be the most suspicious this far. Ironically, the more I read her posts, the less I suspect her, but as there's no one other I suspect, I "must" vote her. :rolleyes:

As to the others, Volo and especially Rune feel innocent to me. (No, I don't have any specific reasons for this. It's just the general impression.) Of the others I can't say.

EDIT: xed with Mac

[Volo]

True. But there are always 'alpha innocents', who are knowledgable, helpful and indispensible. Lynching those is the joy of the things at night.

"Hmm... I don't really agree with you. They can be really misleading. But I hope you don't suggest being one yourself yet? ;) Anyway I somehow don't like the tone of your talk."

Not always. The waggoneers will usually be closely examined the next day.

"Wasn't that already said?" :rolleyes:

EDIT: Cross-posted with Lommy, but it doesn't really make a difference.

[Macalaure]

"Hmm... I don't really agree with you. They can be really misleading. But I hope you don't suggest being one yourself yet? ;) Anyway I somehow don't like the tone of your talk."a) Yes they can. They're as fallible as every ungifted. Still it's bad to lynch them.
b) No, I don't, but thanks for even assuming I would. :D Among those who play here, Nogrod fits the description most. Where is he?
c) I don't know what you mean. :confused:

[Volo]

c) My bad... By reading the stuff more carefully, it seems that I made a mistake. :o
b) Poor Nogrod, soon he'll be lynched every single game on day 2 if not killed on night 1... :D He should start making less points, for his own good.

[JennyHallu]

I'm sorry, Lommy, I wasn't aware I made any "mathematical" conclusions. What exactly is a mathematical conclusion? All I said was that most likely a Thing had already posted. How exactly are you trying to refute that?

Lommy, your arguments on Rikae seem to make little sense, and Mac also seems overly aggressive over what little has been said today.

What worries me about this is that there seems to be a strong Lommy vs. Mac dynamic developing, but Lommy voted Rikae, for reasons which seem (to me) facetious. Especially since most of her posts have been about how she disagrees with Mac and thinks Rikae "slightly less suspicious". Her posts are confusing and random. Mac's are aggressive.

I suppose that means I suspect Lommy most, and then Mac. So far.

[Rikae]

In principle I am/was against lynching newcomers so that they might have a chance to really play, but then I realised that were I still a newcomer to the wws, I wouldn't like anyone not to vote me solely based on my newcomerishness. Hopefully, Rikae, you feel the same way, because my vote will be for

++Rikae

She seems to be the most suspicious this far. Ironically, the more I read her posts, the less I suspect her, but as there's no one other I suspect, I "must" vote her. :rolleyes:

Hmm, suspects me less, but votes for me anyway - and this means in the event of a tie vote, I die.
No hard feelings, though. If I were you, and had to vote early, I would have voted for me also, or Mac, simply for being vocal.I couldn't see you voting for Mac, since in spite of your disagreements, neither of you seems to suspect the other. (Mac's statement "Do I have to worry about you, Lommy? ;)" seems to imply he doesn't need to worry about her).

EDIT: X posted with Jenny

[Volo]

No hard feelings, though. If I were you, and had to vote early, I would have voted for me also, or Mac, simply for being vocal.I couldn't see you voting for Mac, since in spite of your disagreements, neither of you seems to suspect the other.

"Well why do you talk so as if you're trying to get yourself lynched :/ and what more reason does Lommy have to vote you than Mac."

and this means in the event of a tie vote, I die. "What do you mean? (Just to get rid of confusion)

Should I vote now, or without any new information later, I won't have time to read and think..." :/

[Gil-Galad]

Aye, Rikae is not that suspicous in my eye, but if she turns out to actually be a thing then we've all been played for fools this first day.

right now i am looking at Rune, though his occupation is The Weaver(not real) we may happen to overlook it and he may be a Thing hiding.

Thus my vote must go to Rune, it probably won't be to effect but its a start.

++Rune son of Bjarne

[Volo]

"Ok, this might be nearly as random as Gil's vote, but here it goes.

++Macalaure, too much explaining talk. Just like Boromir last game. I hope I don't make a big mistake here as Mac really is a usefull guy if innocent. Let this be the rare occasion when I apologize in WW without sence yet.

Ok, bye. I might say something some time, but now I'll be away for a few hours at least. And probably for the rest of the day."

[JennyHallu]

Rikae, dear, you really don't need to panic. In the event of a tie vote, the first to get a vote of the individuals in question dies. For example, if the votes were

Bob
Tom
Bubba
Tom
Bubba
Tom
Tom
Bubba
Bob
Bubba

You have a final vote count of Bob - 2, Tom - 4, Bubba - 4.

Tom dies. Bob's fine, he didn't get the most votes.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Thinlomien and Mac are the ones I am most focused on in the moment, of course they have been doing most of the talking.

Rikae seems innocent to me at this moment.

Gil, shows up and votes for me, not very useful, but kind of Gil-Galadish. . .

I will not pay any atention to Glirdy just yet.

Then there is Jenny and Volo, I don't know what to make of them. I might end up voting for one of them, I might end up thinking them inocent. . ..

I think I will direct my attention to Jenny, Volo, Mac and Lommy today.

[Rikae]

I have work to do, although it's difficult to tear myself away, perhaps to come back and find myself condemned, but there's nothing else for it.
I'll just say where my thoughts are at the moment:
Mac- I have some slight suspicion because of the information he gave to contradict my original points, which didn't seem particularly accurate and seemed designed to generate suspicion toward me rather than to shed light on the situation, at such an early point in the game that he could not have known my status unless he was a thing or the seer, and I doubt the seer would choose to dream about a rookie (of course,I know if he was the Seer he wouldn't be casting doubt on me, but you don't know that!). It is, however, entirely possible he was only offering the other perspective to make us aware of all possibilities. I'm reserving judgement for now. Still, his seeming mock-suspicion toward Lommy also raised warning signals for me.
Lommy - Argued with Mac, but never suspected him, and voted for me while claiming she thought I was innocent. On the one hand, this resembles the "innocent voting randomly without intending to actually lynch that person" scenario I had previously described - on the other hand, doing what has just been described as innocent behavior is rather thingish in itself. I also have a gut feeling that she and Mac have some sort of understanding, and that is, of course, suspicious.
Rune - Seems innocent, simply because he didn't join in Mel and Lommy's accusations toward me.
Jenny -Seems to be, like me, the target of some random suspicion from Lommy, which inclines me to believe she's innocent. Then again, that could be a trick - one thing distancing itself from another.
Gil-Galad - His vote for Rune seems fairly random, but is in keeping with his past behavior (or so I heard at the convention). I don't suspect him.
Volo- I can't make sense of his posts, which makes me slightly uneasy.

EDIT - X posted with Rune and Volo - and Volo's post made him appear more innocent in my eyes.

[Kitanna]

Often, those that spoke first were wolves; I trust you will understand that I speak first now so that others may have the courage to speak their minds also, and if I go to my death today or tonight at least I will have had my say.

I am aware all three of these statements apply to me, and therefore my chances of seeing sunset are quite slim already. I will then try to be as helpful as I can in what little time I have, for my allegiance lies with the villagers, as my death will confirm.

I am aware that according to my own advice, I am the logical choice for today's lynching - but so be it.
Your constant return to the idea of being lynched is not instilling much confidence within me. It seems each time you bring it up in this first post you are trying to play the innocent and gain our pity by "admitting" you are a likely canidate for the noose. I find what you say sense, so I can't see why you would claim it would be the death of you. If anything ends your life today it will be the references to how your life will end today.

Look for those who speak quickly, those who wish to lead.

Some innocents will try to lead us out of this misery, too. But you're right in part. Since a thing will die earlier than a wolf, they can lead us without worry. A wolf that leads us wrong will meet the vengeance of the innocents before the end, while a thing dies before that can happen.
Keep in mind the Weaver, the Seer, and the Ranger (more than just innocents, super innocents if you will) are probably going to be trying to lead as well as the Things. It's hard to be rational Day One, but don't be rash and jump immediately on the leaders. Think before acting.

Random accusations are a curse, I tell you, even if admitted. They usually give the accuser a sure raise on everybody's suspicion list. Demanding explanation is a good counsel. Look for crooked explanations!
I say I'd rather see a random vote than no vote though. Because most times even the most random vote has some sort of reasoning behind it. Even with flimsy reasoning it is better to give a reason than simply vote and hope for the best.

Because if I don't point it out, someone else will
And thus the point of the game was realized...
Someone is going to suspect you and often times due to posts that state "I know I look guilty and I'll probably be lynched, but..."

Which will expose the things. Bandwagons are easy to hide in!
Lone votes are equally as easy to hide in. Safe votes are common, so while one Thing might jump on a bandwagon the other two could just do little safe votes to cover their tracks. Much can be taken from bandwagon votes.

I think Mac and Rikae are the most suspicious so far (for me at least) and Lommy comes in a distant third.

Rikae's first vote makes me feel very uneasy. Her constant return to the fact "I'll probably be lynched" and "My death will prove my innocence" is unnerving. Also I'm a bit suspcious of the comparsions of other games, when comparing this villages to other villages could have no real bearing in the end. Her points in the first post state the obvious and though she hasn't taken all sides into consideration I think she is thinking logically. I was extremely worried about her after reading her first posts, but my susipicions have lessened a bit after reading further.

Mac on the other hand. I am far more worried about him. Some have commented on his attack of Rikae and of him showing her in a bad light. He has said he wasn't and he didn't mean too. This is what worries me. He went through her post, picked it apart, threw a lot of attention in her direction and then says "no, no, I was just pointing this out...". I worry because commenting on one or two points is nothing serious, but he did more than one or two points. And he keeps returning to his defense of "not attacking Rikae" causing her to remain in the spotlight. Rikae was already in the spotlight because of Lommy, but Mac continued to keep her there. He states he "defended" Rikae against Lommy and that screams guilty in my mind. He's making sure we notice Rikae and if she dies innocent in the next day or two we'll remember Mac was saying so all along. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems a bit foul to me.

[Nogrod]

Just a couple of preliminary notes to begin with while announcing that my goats seem to be satisfied for the time being and I have a chance to join the effort here.

The "schism" between Rikae, Lommy and Mac looks interesting indeed, but it might also be three innocents trying to do something useful and having the time to be online at the early hours of the Day with no one elses words to pick up. I mean, after the last game my father went thorugh I have learned to be even more careful with those who hide in the shadows and avoid the bright sunshine of arguments and debates (*coughEonwecough*).

The best place for a thing, I believe, is around the open arguments, mildly supporting or critizing the views brought forwards but not actually taking openly part in them. Then they can say they have been in the discussion and thence are not flying under the radar but have avoided to risk themselves by actually presenting cases or arguments of their own (from which they could be held accountable, were they "right or wrong" - I mean had they been innocents and backed the wrong horse or be they villains knowingly making a "misjudgement"...).

I admit that I thought of Rikae's first post at least eyebrow-raising stuff, but now I'm not so sure anymore. She seems to speak in a reasonably innocent voice. Something similar goes for Mac. He has been a bit... well how should one say it... tight? (I do not agree with Jenny who says that he has been aggressive) But being innocent he would probably make just those points? (SO: being a thingy he would so the same too?) And Lommy I find not the more suspicious she normally is - which isn't much said as she tends to be suspected everytime she plays. :)

I'll have to look at the posting more closely before trying to form any clearer ideas. And the dynamics of this game surely would merit some discussion too, even though our first objective must be getting one thing toDay.

I'll be back after a while.

PS. Rikae, don't be afraid. My goats will provide you with enough milk to your cheeses. Goatmilk tastes pretty bad as such anyway... :D

EDIT: X-d with Rune, Rikae & Kitanna...

[Folwren]

I am writing this on a word processor as I read through the thread. . .I’m already thirty posts behind. Harhar.

First thing first:

Lommy: I really don’t think Rikae should be suspected just now because of her first post. Last time I wrote a first post to try to break the ice, I was killed for it (well, it started the ball rolling that eventually got me killed). She was breaking ice, being humorous, writing in character, and saying that these things apply to her. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t, but an innocent is more likely to admit something they say or do looking fishy than a wolf/thing is. She acts like an innocent.

I think Rikae’s done some research. I’m reading post #24 now. She seems pretty knowledgeable about what’s happened in past times in different villages. She’s not shy, either. She leaps right into things, more so than I usually do, which I take as a good sign. If she were a thing, I don’t think she’d be so forward!

Reaching Lommy’s vote now. . .I can’t believe it. Dear, you could’ve done anything other than that!! You might suspect Rikae, but you do realize that the more you read her posts, the less you actually do suspect her - and at least she contributes to the game!!!!!! You might’ve gone after someone less likely to. I do realize that you had to vote for somebody, but that seems hard. That seems really hard.

Just reached post #35, which is the last one up just now. I disconnected once it was all loaded. . .

*sigh* Such early votes. Did you have to vote so soon, Gil? I should have waited if I were you. Rune was making a joke, that’s obvious, and it wasn’t terribly smart, either, maybe, but I don’t like lynching people because of their occupation or because of some small, humorous they say in one of their firsts posts. . . same goes for Rikae, all her saying ‘I fill the bill, lynch me!’ You know neither of them can be serious.

Now, my own thoughts on these matters and what has been said.

Mac seems to be trying to make sense with very little to go on. Generally what happens on Day 1 with fairly good players. He made an initial post and has spent the rest of his time explaining himself.

Lommy started with a crash and a bang of accusing Rikae of being suspicious. She continued to say that Rikae was getting less and less suspicious in her eyes, but then finishes her Day 1 career by voting for her. It’s an irksome thing, it really is. That’s what she did to me last time and I dislike it.

Jenny popped in with a list of who had posted and who hadn’t, made the pretty safe assumption that a Thing had spoken already. (Lommy leaped on her, too, for that. . .) Jenny said little else.
Volo has said very little, added next to no contribution to the discussion, so far as I can make out. Sorry, ol’ chap.

Glirdan, Gil-Galad, and Rune have also said very little and have also made very little contribution. Gil has voted for Rune.

And I think that covers all of us? Except me. Jack has said that he thinks Rikae is innocent, Lommy loves to attack people, Mac tries to make sense, Jenny has stated lists and....yeah.....read the post.

As of now, I am most inclined to suspect Lommy, but I have really only read over all the posts once (quickly), and quite a few other villagers have yet to post and yet to put in their thoughts and ideas.

– Jack

Cross posted with: Volo, Jenny, Rune, Rikae, Kitanna, and Nogrod. :eek:

[Macalaure]

First off, I agree with what Folwren states about Lommy. I'm quite uneasy about her, for the same reasons.


The first time I played with Kitanna I was suspicious about her very early on - and she turned out to be the ranger. Now, again, I feel very suspicious about her because of her last post. I don't know what to make of this.

Her constant return to the fact "I'll probably be lynched" and "My death will prove my innocence" is unnerving.Also I'm a bit suspcious of the comparsions of other games, when comparing this villages to other villages could have no real bearing in the end. Her points in the first post state the obvious and though she hasn't taken all sides into consideration I think she is thinking logically.Constant return? She only returned to it because other people talked about it. And if you say Rikae just stated the obvious, then why did you comment on the obvious just before? :confused:

And he keeps returning to his defense of "not attacking Rikae" causing her to remain in the spotlight. Rikae was already in the spotlight because of Lommy, but Mac continued to keep her there. He states he "defended" Rikae against Lommy and that screams guilty in my mind. He's making sure we notice Rikae and if she dies innocent in the next day or two we'll remember Mac was saying so all along.I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Many have said I attacked Rikae, and I agree that it might have looked like it, but I don't feel her guilty (not in the beginning and even less now), so I'm making exactly that clear to everybody who asks. Even though Lommy voted for her, I don't think she'll be lynched today, so I don't think that the plan you think I'm having would even work.

I was extremely worried about her after reading her first posts, but my susipicions have lessened a bit after reading further.
...
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems a bit foul to me.Do I see a pattern behind that? ;)
I've seen that kind of relativising of suspicion before, but mostly from wolves.

[Kitanna]

Constant return? She only returned to it because other people talked about it.
In her first post she brought it up about four times right after making a point. I'd call that a constant return.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I was wondering, should we stick to normal wolf-hunting-methods through out the game or does these thing require new methods?

I am not sure about this that is why I ask. If we think some new stuff up, we might take the things by suprise, but we also risk the things leading us in a wrong direction. . . .

[Nogrod]

Oh those blasted goats! Sorry I was diverted to other "things"... :)

But I had time to consider something concerning the principles here.

And really the dynamics of this game are very different indeed from any earlier games... There's a host of differences.

I know some people have not liked my forefathers making this kind of comments, but I also know that some of the good people (those concerned) have been happy about them when we have confronted a new gaming envirovment and new tricks made possible by new rules.

So just to mention this. Please Ranger! Stay calm, avoid being picked by the thingies and pick wisely yourself! You are our greatest asset in this game! The Seer and the Weaver will have valuable knowledge, but it will be transient and thence unsure as the status of people here will change. But the Ranger practically kills a thing with every save s/he makes! So we can lynch the things during the Days but the Ranger may also effectively "kill" them during the Nights (by not allowing the next one to transform)!

It's also funny to know that first time in my family's history I can go to sleep with a somewhat relaxed mind (excluding those ancestors of mine who were cursed by lycantrophy). I can't die toNight! The things kill one of their own during the Night, so they will be the tense ones facing the Night. We surely are facing the chance of becoming thingies ourselves, but that still means we can stay in the game and continue the fun...

This looks interesting indeed.

I'll be back with something more concrete soon. Just felt I had to say this.

EDIT: X-d with Mac, Kitanna and Rune

[Macalaure]

What do you mean by "the Ranger may also effectively "kill" them during the Nights"?
The only way to kill a Thing will be during the day with a lynching. If the ranger is successful, nothing happens. As always. That's good, but it doesn't mean a thing is killed. Maybe the things are even happy about successful rangers. :D

But I doubt we can take them by surprise. I mean, they read what we're saying just like we do, don't they?

[Nogrod]

What do you mean by "the Ranger may also effectively "kill" them during the Nights"?One thing dies every Night, right? No ordo dies. They, the things, kill one of themselves.

Then they choose one villager to be turned into a thing. If that does not happen (eg. the Ranger saves the one), there will be one thing less the next Day. So reducing their numbers aka effectively "killing" them...

[Folwren]

Oh!! I think you're right! Ingenious, Nogrod!

Kitanna, I think you and others are taking Rikae's first post far too seriously. I've been burnt by posting first and saying something careless, and I don't want to see anyone else burned, too. I tell you, if she were a 'Thing' she wouldn't have brought so much attention to herself by saying 'I'm doing this, I will probably be lynched.' Poor thing probably regrets her first post now that she's written it. I am not at all saying that she's beyond doubt and beyond be suspected, but for heavens sake - let's not condemn her for her first post!!

Rune, I don't know what tactics are usually used in regular WW beyond suspecting every word every body says, leaning on gut feelings, and waiting for the seer to speak up or die. What more can we do here?

-- Jack

[JennyHallu]

Actually, I think a Thing dies as a result of a new one being made. If a new Thing is not made, the old one does not die.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am just letting you know that I will leave now, but I will be back before the day ends

[Nogrod]

Good point Jenny!

This is what the rules say:
The 3 Things work as follows. The Things may pm with each other at night only. They will be assigned a random # each night by the Mod(me) Ex: Thing #1, Thing #2 and Thing #3. This will change each night and the Things are unaware who is what #. Each night the Things will have two duties. They will first each pm me a Thing, either #1, 2 or 3 (remember they do not know who is what)The thing with the most votes "wins". They will then discuss who shall be their victim, and pm me the name. The villager they pick will not die. The Chosen Thing will instead snatch the body of the chosen victim. The chosen Thing will then in turn die and the chosen villager will now be a Thing. Ex: Ok so say Myself, Lommy and Nogrod are Things. We chose Thing #3 for the night who happens to be say, me. And we chose to "kill" Naria (Ordo) I would die that night and be replace by Naria who would be told of her transformation and let in on who are the other things. The Thing that dies will be known as an Ordo at their death.and:The Ranger will pm me their choice nightly of who they wish to protect for the night, they may protect the same villager twice in a row, but twice only. They must then protect someone else for at least one night.

I think Valier should clarify this issue... a lot of the tactics we may pursue depends on her judgement over this...

[Valier]

Note from beyond: A Thing only dies when they sucessfully switch bodies with a villager. If the Ranger protects someone and the Things chose that villager a Thing does not die. Nothing happens on that night. :)

[Nogrod]

Note from beyond: A Thing only dies when they sucessfully switch bodies with a villager. If the Ranger protects someone and the Things chose that villager a Thing does not die. Nothing happens on that night. :)So I was wrong then...

But thank's for the information.

At least I have to think this general tactics stuff all over again. But first I will at last try to stick with what is actually said toDay. For however the rules go, this Day1 will be most likely as any other Day1 would be. The new rules start to bite hard only from toMorrow on (the things might anticipate the stuff to come, but most likely we will have to play with conventional wisdom / cluelesness here).

[Nogrod]

Okay.

Here are my thoughts so far. I will continue this, but these were the "easiest" to form an opinion to begin with...

Naria: Not posted yet, nothing to say.

Briseis: Not posted yet, nothing to say.

Eonwe: Not posted yet, nothing to say. But him being the quiet wolf in my last game makes me quite reserved with anything he will say or do in this game. I know it is unfair, but I will look at him very closely this time around, as and if he comes around...

Glirdan: Has basically just reported in... Nothing to say so far.

Gil: Two posts. Not much to take hold on. Defending Rikae somewhat but playing it down also: Aye, Rikae is not that suspicous in my eye, but if she turns out to actually be a thing then we've all been played for fools this first day.Voting Rune with no apparent reason given, but: Thus my vote must go to Rune, it probably won't be to effect but its a start.I might say this is "Gil-Galadish", even quite outspoken version from his family-tree... Hard to say. And with my last experience with Eonwe, I would not exclude him from my vote toDay. But surely, no good reasons to suspect him either but only to be certain about him...

Meneltarmacil: Two posts so far. I would have awaited more from him (not exactly on numbers but of substance). But he had a point also when saying: Catching these Things and making 'em walk the plank will be tough, as you really can't trust anyone, even known innocents. Shiver me timbers, it be a dire scenario! I personally would only follow up on suspicions rather than rely on "known innocents" here, as they have a way of changing on you.That might be said by an innocent or a thing alike. Over this one he only managed to go to and fro with Rune... Don't know but don't like either. I want to hear more from him.

Folwren: two posts as well. Ringing innocent to my ears. She is staunchly defending Rikae for her first post as she was the victim of a similar kind of suspicion in the last one. Sounds true to me. At least what can be said with some confidence is that on the basis of #42 they probably will not be things both of them. That would be too daring at least thinking of Folwren (Sorry Foley :) ). Generally she seems to be very sensible indeed and speaking the words of wisdom. Not my suspect for the time being (tomorrow may be different as this game will be crazy enough with the switching identities).

So seven people on this "easy" list. With the probabilities at least one of them is a thing... So who? Hard to say as some of them have not yet posted, but Menel should come forwards if he wishes to avoid my suspicions. Gil I'm a bit embarrased about (wouldn't like to be leading yet another lynch of an innocent Gil) as he justmade a post suspicious enough... And Eonwe I can't vote before he says anything and will (unfairly) look at him really closely this time...

Very hard to say.

Hopefully my look on the more difficult cases proves a better guide...

[Folwren]

Golly, this is a shockingly slow day. Where are the other people? Naria, Briseis, Eonwe? Glirdan? Hopefully they'll pop up soon.

Nogrod, nice to know your thoughts on everyone. I'm assuming that since you didn't mention Lommy, Rikae, or Mac in that last post, you want us to read your earlier posts on them? (And were you saying I'm not very daring? :p I nearly killed myself once, being too daring in RL. . .) But yes, you're right, in this instance. I like being careful in these games.

I understand how you feel concerning Eonwe, but you must try not to let it make you prejudice.

And that's all I've got to say.

-- Jack

[Meneltarmacil]

Arrr, I believe we be focusing a great deal on Rikae here, and it be enough to make me peg leg itch. Not that she be necessarily innocent, but I'd bet a bottle of rum that one of her attackers be a Thing.

Diverting attention onto a likely-sounding target be the way a Thing works. Takes it off them, that way, they don't have to defend themselves.

In particular, though, Macalaure posted something unsightly a while back:
Hmmm. I have to admit that your post would usually make me very, very suspicious of you. But this is your first game, so I'll be nice.

I've heard tales of stuff like this happening, and it looks bad. One Thing tries to preserve the life of another one by stating what's wrong with his/her post. The other Thing will often pick up on the cryptic advice, and the rest of the crowd doesn't seem to notice. If it comes to killings, the surviving Thing can cite honest suspicion later on. But yer not foolin' this old sea dog Mac. Even if Rikae be innocent, ye could be just castin' suspicion on her to keep us all occupied. What do ye have to say fer yerself, ya scurvy dog?

'Course, if Mac ain't the monster, Lommy catches me eye (the one without the patch be me only one, I'm afraid). Votes for Rikae, yet doesn't find her very suspicious? Lass, ye be a Thing tryin' to cover yer tracks with that statement!

[Nogrod]

... to be continued

Jenny: I have really mixed feelings about. THere is a lot I suspect in Jenny.
In a way she seems like a most "thingish" one I could fathom here. Nicely countering the arguments and going with the general suspicions, just adding enough to look as an independent one. Also her interpretations on Lommy and Mac seem to be very different from mine (which does not mean that I think Lommy or Mac to be innocents... I will have to look at them after these) and too easily come up with. I mean, the difference between a wolf and an innocent lies there where an innocent tries to find the culprits and when s/he is unsure about it, s/he takes back her/his words and leaves the situation in a baffled state, but the villain will be most happy to just go after someone, whoever is suspected.

Then this really caught my eye: Rikae, dear, you really don't need to panic.I'm not sure, or even ready to believe, that a thing would be this forward to her mate, but a thing might wish to "buy" some trust with this kind of a trick?

Lastly, on the thing I was mistaken, her point seemed firm enough: Actually, I think a Thing dies as a result of a new one being made. If a new Thing is not made, the old one does not die.She happened to be right, even though it was not said aloud in the rules (check the rules or my post #52). So how did she know it? The things must have thought of these rules beforehand and taken care to understand them correctly?

But she has been considerate and reasonable all the time too. Like a good innocent or a very good thing indeed...

So Jenny seems to be my top suspect this far. I must think about this as the one you have just checked looks the most suspicious by definition... And I have not looked with an evil eye to the postings of Volo, Rune, and the trio (Rikae, Lommy & Mac) yet.

Sorry. I'll post this and come to the others in a while. Nice to see you back Menel and making good points. You are easing my problems a bit here.

And Foley: No I'm not intending to say you should only look for my earlier posts. I'm trying to continue with these "analysis" to the end... as I have time to make them...

[JennyHallu]

Actually, Nogrod, I argued back and forth with Valier about the rules quite a bit before the game started, and I felt that she was very clear. Specifically, her use of the phrase "in turn" I felt clearly showed a relationship between the creation of a new Thing and the death of the old.

[Nogrod]

Actually, Nogrod, I argued back and forth with Valier about the rules quite a bit before the game started, and I felt that she was very clear. Specifically, her use of the phrase "in turn" I felt clearly showed a relationship between the creation of a new Thing and the death of the old.You may be right. I'm not trying to deny it. I was very busy the days before the game started and have not followed all of the discussion in the TIGJ-thread. I will have to check that too.

And as I said, I have my hardest ones to check still... So being on the lead of my suspicions right now might both be false (as I might see you are genuine with you knowledge about the rules, f.ex.) and too early as I might find better candidates still... :)

Let's see. I wish to form my conclusions with any evidence I may find. As those of you who have played with my forefathers know: I hate random voting and will wish to have a reason for my vote. I still have a couple of hours before I have to go to sleep, so there is time...

[Volo]

"Back for a little time. But only little time. I did have time to read all the stuff, but I confess that I'm no good at this and don't make much sense. I know my playing-style isn't great and that it's just like my father's who was cursed in an other village not so long ago, but that's what we are.

I have already voted, my mistake because of other stuff happening in my life. I'm not a person who would like to stay out of discussion and too often jump into discussions that don't concern me. It is true that I rarelly make sense when I say something, but rarelly isn't always. Now this all defending myself might sound suspicious as I don't seem to be in any great danger of being lynched anyway.

Well, now to something that should make sense. The problem is that I can't find much stuff like that, sure I could just quote something and say how thingy that would be, but...

No hard feelings, though. If I were you, and had to vote early, I would have voted for me also, or Mac, simply for being vocal.I couldn't see you voting for Mac, since in spite of your disagreements, neither of you seems to suspect the other.

You still haven't answered why Lommy should vote you instead of Mac. Why would you have voted yourself? Do continue...

An other person who I would like to point out is Nogrod, I find his style changed again, this time he isn't attacking straight. Maybe it's too early. He has also said some stuff that isn't really necessary. (#41 and #46 don't tell us anything new. The ranger talk sounds strange.) Also he and Jack/Folwren seem to support each other, well, Jack does seem rather innocent.

Nogrod's summary so far seems too simple, somewhat like my father's summary last game, but that would make him innocent-like... I'm suprised that nobody else has even mentioned him so far...

Ok, I go to sleep. Now or really soon."

[Meneltarmacil]

As for JennyHallu, she really don't seem to be contributing much. After the first two posts or so, she only mentions the rules of the game. I find hat a bit strange. She's generally tryin' to look helpful, but she be contributing too little here...

Anyhow, I be most likely to vote fer Thinlomien or possibly Macalaure at this point.

[Macalaure]

I've heard tales of stuff like this happening, and it looks bad. One Thing tries to preserve the life of another one by stating what's wrong with his/her post. The other Thing will often pick up on the cryptic advice, and the rest of the crowd doesn't seem to notice. If it comes to killings, the surviving Thing can cite honest suspicion later on. But yer not foolin' this old sea dog Mac. Even if Rikae be innocent, ye could be just castin' suspicion on her to keep us all occupied. What do ye have to say fer yerself, ya scurvy dog?
Just this: you're on the wrong track. I repeat my defense again. What Rikae said would have made me suspicious if it wasn't her first game. The reason I went into so much detail was to spark discussion.

'Course, if Mac ain't the monster, Lommy catches me eye (the one without the patch be me only one, I'm afraid).
This one sounds strangely familiar, doesn't it? A similar statement made my innocent grandfather lynch your guilty grandfather. ;)

I'm suprised that nobody else has even mentioned him so far...I'm waiting for his thoughts to be complete - impatiently so, if I may add.

[Nogrod]

... and still continuing.

Volo: Now here's a tough one! Very hard to get a reading. My family has played with his family twice. On the first time my grandpa' was a lycantrophe and would have liked to make a billion cases against him but as he was a major asset for my grandpa' he left him be and was finally "betrayed" by him and died to the benefit of the village... Last time my father found a hint clear enough to go for lynching his father and that one actually was a wolf. But as I believe people get smarter by every generation, I'm not sure if this one of the line of his family is as easy to pick up as his father was.

He goes after Mac in his first post (#23): May I ask how did you manage to cross-post with Lommy? It does seem somewhat thingy to say so much so early, like we have seen before . But then again, he didn't actually say much thingy stuff, seems pretty honest to me, even if too much.without actually saying anything. But excusing his own possible early vote.

On #29 he still keeps going after Mac with not the best of reasons:
True. But there are always 'alpha innocents', who are knowledgable, helpful and indispensible. Lynching those is the joy of the things at night.
"Hmm... I don't really agree with you. They can be really misleading. But I hope you don't suggest being one yourself yet? Anyway I somehow don't like the tone of your talk."
Not always. The waggoneers will usually be closely examined the next day.
"Wasn't that already said?"

Also his vote was somewhat dubious, or what do you say: Ok, this might be nearly as random as Gil's vote, but here it goes.
++Macalaure, too much explaining talk. Just like Boromir last game. I hope I don't make a big mistake here as Mac really is a usefull guy if innocent.So just giving the air of making a "random" vote, but still he had already coherently suspected Mac with his earlier posts, as you can see. It should be noted that he defended Lommy consistently too.

All this might be looked as thingy behaviour or just a still newcomer trying to find a style of play... Not good, I say, but not the most suspicious either, or then is. I must see the rest before making any judgements about people...

PS. Volo: you have one retraction possibility! So your vote is not final! Think about it!

[Nogrod]

... and to be continued.

Kitanna: I find her most reasonable indeed. Her points on #40 on Rikae and other stuff seem well balanced and well made. A good Thing would like to act in that way, but there seems to be an air of straight-forwardness in Kitanna's posting. I'm not going after her toDay by any means.

Rune: Now this is another puzzle to solve... :cool:

In his first post (#17) he staunchly defends Rikae and suspects Mac somewhat. Then he goes to that "I'm the weawer" -stuff... What to think of it? A bad joke or a very fishy Thing?

In #38 he says: I think I will direct my attention to Jenny, Volo, Mac and Lommy today.but after that he does nothing in line with this promise. His last posts after that one are one that discusses the overall strategy and the second one just states that he will be away!

A Thing might do that: looking helpful and considered but then somehow failing to do anything... I know it's early on the Day and he will be one or two hours behind me in the time zones and thence it is possible he will make his words come true, but by now, it doesn't look releasing on him...

[Volo]

Now I'm most certain you're a thing! Now look at you, you changed your strategy completely after my post.

By his grandfather he means that my grandfather caught the last wolf and by that saved his village. So like Nogrod says himself, even in that village he had many points against me, but still he's grandfather was the wolf and my grandfather was a ranger.
Sorry to say so complicatedly, I mean he had many cases against me even when I was a ranger and he a wolf.

I might also say that Nogrod takes only the suspicious things I said into account, not the stuff I have said that might clear it...

I voted Mac, because I didn't remember about the retracable vote (thanks Nog) and thought that I couldn't post later, I was wrong. The things Nogrod quoted about me can be explained in my other talk.
It was a rather random vote, but the best I came up with, you yourself caught Boromir's father for such reasons.
And about Lommy, I don't recall defending her...

(I'm just a newcomer trying to learn to play, I'm not even so far as the style.)

I think I have enough reason to change my vote:

--Macalaure

++Nogrod

And before you accuse me again, wrongly, I'm off!

EDIT: cross posted with Noggie's last post

[Meneltarmacil]

This one sounds strangely familiar, doesn't it? A similar statement made my innocent grandfather lynch your guilty grandfather.
Shiver me timbers!

Wrong scenario, matey. Me bloodthirsty and quite hairy grandfather claimed that "If one is innocent, then the other must be guilty," I be doing no such things. I suspect both you and Lommy the same; you may even be co-conspirators, though I doubt I could be right on both counts. Also, I posted reasons for suspecting both of ye, not simply that one of ye suspects the other. Ye both look suspicious; that be all I was tryin' to say.

[Nogrod]

Thank's Volo. It's always nice to be "rewarded" when you notify others that they may change their votes... :rolleyes:

But anyhow, I'm still trying to finish my task of looking this final trio. It's getting late here but I will do my best. I know I can't die toNight. And I also know, that I can't participate toMorrow (OOC: as I will be in a hospital with a minor surgery). So I try to do my best toDay.

Let's see if that leads to anything or not...

EDIT: X-d with Menel - good point...

[JennyHallu]

I too am finding my suspicions leaning quite sturdily Nogrod-ward. What do you mean, I'm suspect because I was right about the rules?


I have one major problem with the idea that Nogrod might be a Thing: His ancestors are usually canny wolves.

As for Rune, he said quite clearly he would be back, and is often in the village at times much closer to the deadline. I hardly see being away a reason to lynch someone.

[JennyHallu]

Why did Noggie feel it so necessary to tell Volo he could change his vote, anyway?

[Folwren]

Why did Noggie feel it so necessary to tell Volo he could change his vote, anyway?

I think it was because he thought Mac was an innocent and wanted Volo to change his mind and try voting for a guilty thing. . .I don't think he suspected that change of mind.

-- Jack

[Macalaure]

Right now, I have to say that I agree with Menel's points on Jenny. Few substance there is.

Am I really the only one who is suspicious of Kitanna? Hmmm...

Volo has been very weird, but weird in an innocent way. I think you've told everybody that you consider yourself to be new at this often enough now. :(

I somehow doubt Rune will be around at the deadline. Like for me, it's 6 am for him.

I think it was because he thought Mac was an innocent and wanted Volo to change his mind and try voting for a guilty thing. . .I don't think he suspected that change of mind.Not necessarily. If innocent, he might just have wanted to remind him of the possibility. If guilty, he might have wanted to look helpful to him. Didn't work in that case.

[Nogrod]

What do you mean, I'm suspect because I was right about the rules?Well I was not saying exactly that. I don't think it is a general excuse but at least to me it was news that the Ranger would not diminish the number of the Things. As you sounded confident enough, I thought that you knew it better - and the thingies would surely have secured that information in time while we others would have paid no attention to it. At least I didn't, and I admit, that is my fault. And as I said, I would like to check that from the TIGJ-thread before I go with any final verdicts. I haven't have time to do that yet. I would like to end this query on everybody before I do that.

But why do you jump so readily to defend yourself (well, I might be seen as doing exactly the same thing here?). I said it most clearly that you top my suspicions so far, when the most dubious ones I have not have yet time to see to... I'm doing this, one by one now. Sorry, but it really takes time.

As for Rune, he said quite clearly he would be back, and is often in the village at times much closer to the deadline. I hardly see being away a reason to lynch someone.See what I said about him: I know it's early on the Day and he will be one or two hours behind me in the time zones and thence it is possible he will make his words come true, but by now, it doesn't look releasing on him... So no proposal of lynching him there. I indeed think we have many better candidates - including you on the basis of your last posts - to pick from. Sorry Jenny. I had thought of letting you go far down on my list of suspicion, but these last posts have changed the situation somewhat. Your immediate jump alongside Volo looks strange indeed. Like a Thiong had been waiting for a suitable occasion...

And really: Why did Noggie feel it so necessary to tell Volo he could change his vote, anyway?Be Volo a friend or a fiend he should enjoy the right understanding of the rules. He was complaining about his vote and I told him he could vote again as we have one retractable. That was no necessity. But what happened after that will speak it's language to me at least, making you and in some way also Volo climb higher on my suspicion-list... Why should a Thing encourage another (or an innocent) to reconsider his vote if the thing was clear with the vote himself on Day1?

But still, I have the hardest trio to look for and am not sure whether my suspicions so far are good enough to beat the ones that are coming. We'll see about it.

X-d with Foley and Mac

[Rikae]

OK, I''ve read through the day's posts, and there are a couple of things I'd like to respond to.

Rikae's first vote makes me feel very uneasy. Her constant return to the fact "I'll probably be lynched" and "My death will prove my innocence" is unnerving. Also I'm a bit suspcious of the comparsions of other games, when comparing this villages to other villages could have no real bearing in the end.
My goodness. First of all, I haven't voted yet! I take it you're uneasy about what my vote will be? :D
As far as comparisons with other games go, if we couldn't learn from past games, a rookie would be on equal footing with an experienced WW player, no?

Her points in the first post state the obvious and though she hasn't taken all sides into consideration I think she is thinking logically. I was extremely worried about her after reading her first posts, but my susipicions have lessened a bit after reading further.I take it logical thinking makes you uneasy? I'd have to disagree with you there - I find illogical posts far more unsettling.
Mac still seems to be simultaneously trying to draw attention to me and to paint himself as my supporter, and I find it strange, to say the least.
Folwren, on the other hand, seems sincere, and
Nogrod, who as I post has not yet given his opinion of me, has been fairly straightforward and logical.
Volo seems nervous, but maybe that's just his style.
You still haven't answered why Lommy should vote you instead of Mac. Why would you have voted yourself? Do continue...I didn't answer because I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Lommy did vote for me, not Mac - as far as why, I assume it's because I was "on the map" and there was nothing to prevent her voting for me. If I had to vote early, I would have voted for someone who had been vocal and quick to put forth theories, and that describes Lommy, Mac and myself. I didn't expect Lommy to vote for Mac because they give the appearance of having something between them that prevents them from suspecting each other - as I said before.
Mene appears to be suspicious of Jenny, Mac, Lommy and myself, and since I suspect the other 3 and know I'm innocent, I'm inclined to believe Mene is also innocent...but we shall see. It's too early to have any real suspects, and I, for one, am most uneasy about those who are quickest to accuse.

EDIT: X posted with Nog, Mac, Fol, Jenny, Mene and Volo :eek: :eek:

[Macalaure]

Mac still seems to be simultaneously trying to draw attention to me and to paint himself as my supporter, and I find it strange, to say the least.Rikae, please, tell me, how can I defend myself from drawing attention towards you without drawing attention to you while I do so? It's not possible!


I didn't expect Lommy to vote for Mac because they give the appearance of having something between them that prevents them from suspecting each other - as I said before.Read through the posts again. I do suspect Lommy. Right now, it's not even unlikely I end up voting for her.

[Rikae]

Are you referring to this post?
Do I have to worry about you, Lommy? ;)because, sorry if I'm wrong, but this just doesn't sound like genuine suspicion to me (especially with the wink!). Still, she looks more suspicious to me than you do at this point, and I also have my doubts about Jenny, who seems to be trying to stay out of the fray while looking helpful, and Volo; the way the two of them suddenly turned on Noggie in unison had a somewhat thingish appearance.

[Macalaure]

No, it's this:
First off, I agree with what Folwren states about Lommy. I'm quite uneasy about her, for the same reasons.I know what you will say, that these were not my own thoughts and it's easy to just agree. You would be right about that. But Folwren, whom I feel very innocent at the moment by the way, exactly said what I thought and I didn't feel like repeating.

[Glirdan]

Ahhh! These time zone differences. I must vote now and I shall say that it is completely and utterly random. I do not have time to go over all the posts because I just got home and I have major homework tonight.

So, here it goes. Taking the name of the person closest to the top of the alphabet and voting. It shall be

++Briseis

As I said, completely random. Now must leave. Good luck everyone.

[Folwren]

I am about to leave for about four hours. I will be back a couple hours before day ends, I believe.

Valier posted the opening post at 11:45 P.M. EST. 10:45 P.M. GMT time, and I think that it was 8:45 on the Western Coast of the U.S. Day ends exactly 24 hours later, correct?

Either way, I should be back in time to check the posts that come between now and then and vote accordingly.

As of now, my main suspect is Lommy.

-- Jack

[Nogrod]

Okay, The final ones...

Rikae: Her first post seems dubious enough. It looks like it is a newcomer wishing to make an impression or a very cunning Thing clothing herself as a witty newbie. I understand the suspicions that post has raised. I can't agree with all the wisdom she poured over us there and indeed disagree with a couple of points she made there. But that shouldn't be the problem here. We have different histories and Rikae's points looked like ones coming from someone who has more read than actually participated in these games.

Then Lommy started suspecting her manner of presenting her points. At this point I have to agree with Lommy - and later Mac. The way Rikae made her points as obvious were far from it (as the later discussion showed they weren't).

I can't see why many of you were suspicious of Mac's post #12. He was making a lot of sense there, correcting the simplified points made by Rikae.

Then there is the usual banter between people on the first Day. Between Lommy and Mac I see it as quite innocent, both trying to make a point with not much to go with as so few had posted by then.

Many of you have said that Mac has attacked Rikae and carefully been defending his own not to be definitive in his accusations - so playing it safely. I agree. He has done some suspicious things as suspecting her and then relieving her at the same time.

With Rikae's post #24 I'm really baffled. I think I would like to think her as an innocent trying her best but there still is something that bothers me. Many of her deductions run contrary to what I deduct from the points in question. But mostly they seem sincere enough. But if I take account of her later posts - with actually some substance to relate to - she seems to be more reasonable by every post...

Lommy's arguments before she voted were good enough but there was an air of unsincerity. (This is feeling based) Her vote on Rikae looks bad compared with her statements that she really was downgrading her suspicion on her all the time... I know she had to part early (she has no net-connection at home), but still it was not the most convincing vote I've seen.

All the things going on between Lommy and Mac are also worthwhile to notice. As Rikae said: Mac - I have some slight suspicion because of the information he gave to contradict my original points, which didn't seem particularly accurate and seemed designed to generate suspicion toward me rather than to shed light on the situation, at such an early point in the game that he could not have known my status unless he was a thing or the seer, and I doubt the seer would choose to dream about a rookie (of course,I know if he was the Seer he wouldn't be casting doubt on me, but you don't know that!). It is, however, entirely possible he was only offering the other perspective to make us aware of all possibilities. I'm reserving judgement for now. Still, his seeming mock-suspicion toward Lommy also raised warning signals for me.
Lommy - Argued with Mac, but never suspected him, and voted for me while claiming she thought I was innocent. On the one hand, this resembles the "innocent voting randomly without intending to actually lynch that person" scenario I had previously described - on the other hand, doing what has just been described as innocent behavior is rather thingish in itself. I also have a gut feeling that she and Mac have some sort of understanding, and that is, of course, suspicious.The inter-connection of Lommy and Mac looks suspicious. I agree with it. But is Rikae here the neutral or innocent observer either? This drives me crazy!

After these things, Mac has been making more sense and sounding more true. It could be that the very starting debate was there because there was nothing else to discuss and only a few people were around to write anything? And same holds for Rikae. She too has gotten much more reasonable as the Day has passed on. So are we indeed suspecting them solely on the grounds that they were online early and had nothing else to go for but the posts of each other of them? If so, the real Things will be laughing quietly in their dark corners...

So do these things tell us anything? Not likely... But I would still like to remind you of my first post: many times it is the innocents who go after one another and ensure the lynching of an innocent by that... They might all three be innocents. Careful Things would avoid that kind of publicity!

I will have to take another look to these before I go.

And surely I have some earlier suspicions in my mind, mostly on Jenny, but we'll see to it.

(OOC: I will vote soon and go to sleep but as I'm a bit worried about my operation I might not get to sleep so easily and thence might come back with a new vote if the situation has changed markedly)

[Macalaure]

I have to vote now, because I'm close to falling asleep at my desk.

Here are my thoughts so far:

Gil-Galad - Maybe just Gil as he is, maybe not. I don't have an opinion on him yet.

JennyHallu - Quite suspicious to me. Maybe trying to look helpful without really making any points.

Volo - Weird in an innocent way.

Kitanna - Still thingy to me. Her one real post looks good from the outside, but not on second look.

Naria - Didn't show up yet.

Glirdan - Isn't here yet. We'll see tomorrow.

Briseis - Didn't show up yet.

Rikae - Pretty innocent to me.

Folwren - the same.

Rune - Don't know what to make of him yet.

Thinlómien - I've read through her posts once more, and I'm not so certain anymore. There are things that look thingy, but I keep thinking that she would act differently if she really was a thing.

Nogrod - Finally came up with the interesting stuff. I agree with it, so I'm leaning toward innocent with him.

Menel - I'm leaning toward innocent, but not decisively.

Eonwe - Didn't show up yet.


So my suspects are Kitanna, Jenny and Lommy.
It doesn't seem like Kitanna is going to get a majority of votes, so voting for her makes no sense to me.
Jenny or Lommy, Lommy or Jenny...

Hunch:

++Lommy

[Meneltarmacil]

Ahoy!

At this point, I be considerin' the idea that Macalaure is a Thing, but mostly this be dependin' on whether or not Rikae is a Thing. As I've said, it be common practice for a Thing to subtly warn another Thing that they be lookin' suspicious so as to remind 'em not to make mistakes. However, the way he be defendin' her now, it be unlikely that he be a Thing unless they both are. I be reservin' me judgement fer now.

Me top suspects be Lommy and JennyHallu, fer reasons already mentioned.

[Gil-Galad]

One thing that has stuck with me ever since the beginning was

Gil-Galad - contributes in small posts

that has always been true don't a suspicon on me would not be strong on that biase

for the most part, my suspicions stick with Rune, he took my post and downplayed it to his advantage, so if he is the thing then by drawing less attention to my post he slips underneath the radar for the time being.


but alas nobody really pays much attention to me so i'll just be popping in time and time again.

[Naria]

I'm here, finally :rolleyes: I have had a RL bad, bad day. I will have to read through everything that has been said so far.

[Nogrod]

It's about 2Am here and I need to try and get some sleep.

My primary suspect and vote for now is

++ Jenny Hallu

for the reasons stated on my posts #58 and #73. I have indeed checked the TIGJ-thread and even that it somewhat does not belong to the arguments of this game here, I found no actual post where Jenny would have been questioning exactly the conditions of a a Ranger getting between a Thing-attack. So she knew it otherwise?

But more importantly, her way of posting has made me to suspect her: just being under radar while still posting and jumping on a chance with bad or non-existent reasons. That's the way the villains work. The innocents turn around and reconsider to the frustrating unknowledgeness (or non-hunchness) even at the last corner if they feel they are making the wrong decision... but she was more than happy to join a promising wagon, not thinking of the possible problems involved.

Of the others, I might make the following list - and that surely is the list of only toDay - as the role of one will change overNight.

Innocent:
Folwren

Probably innocent:
Rune
Kitanna
Meneltarmacil

No hunch whatsoever:
Naria
Briseis

Don't know / hard to say, suspecting a bit:
Rikae
Lommy

A bit suspicious of:
Macalaure
Glirdan
Gil-Galad

Actually suspicious of:
Volo
Eonwe
Jenny

PS.1
Eonwe: I know you might be in the wrong place here. Just show me I'm wrong...

PS.2
I'm not sure what to make of your last post Gil. It looks like innocent enough - and even reasonable enough - but as unfair it is, you can't escape the legacy of your forefathers. I'm ready to move you towards the less-suspicious end of my summary by your post but that is nothing certain or permanent. You will have to take a stance and stand with it to really to make people believe in you being one who should live... I mean, if you contribute very little, no one notices if you're not with us, but if you really try to make the difference, many of us will give you the benefit of doubt as you contribute to ther general discussion... Could you think of it this way for a while?

I hope to see some thoughts by you Naria too... Good to see you are involved as well...

[Rikae]

I had been leaning towards voting for Lommy, but rereading the posts it seems like she is being condemned primarily for being suspicious of me, and I'm not sure that's a solid reason since rereading my first post, since I can see how it does look suspicious. It occurs to me that an innocent Lommy would be an asset to the village. I'm not saying I don't suspect her, I'm just wondering whether I, and the others who accused her, were not being hasty.
There are also new questions in my mind. Why does Mac say he agrees with Nogrod, when Nogrod has said that Mac looked suspicious? And why did Nogrod want Volo not to vote for Mac?
Perhaps when Nogrod says the things were laughing in the shadows, he knows of what he speaks? He also seems to have a tendency, since he showed up today, to group Lommy, Mac and I together more than our being the most active posters this morning would warrant. What I mean is, he seems to be pushing the idea that "all three are innocent" to a degree that suggests he is trying to hide something in that grouping. Just a possibility, nothing more - but I may have been wrong about Mac's remark to Lommy making them both look suspicious - it would also make sense if only Mac was a thing.

EDIT- X posted with Nogrod

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am back!

But there has been posted in an obsene amount, so it will probably take a while before a make a "real" post.

[Kitanna]

I take it logical thinking makes you uneasy? I'd have to disagree with you there - I find illogical posts far more unsettling.
You misunderstand. I was never trying to use that against you. I was stating you were thinking logically and nothing more.

[Briseis]

Okay I have gone through everyone's posts and yeah, I'm no closer to figuring out who's what than I was at the start. In fact, I'm even more confused. I will vote though and it will go to

++ Glirdan

Sorry, I really have no idea right now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

OK, first a post about things that consernes me. . .

To Mac: Jenny knows my sleeping habbits and that was what she was refering to. I might not be up at the deadline, but I will normaly be around untill 3 hours before.

Nogrod is making me a bit uneasy, his argument that Jenny is a thing because she knows the rules. . . seems un Nogrod to jump to such conlutions. I also think that he read things in my previouse posts that was not intended at all. . .
It seemed like he was twisting my words a bit (with out really being accusatory), then he puts me on his inocent list. It really confuses me and might make me vote Nogrod.

[Nogrod]

I was getting to sleep but happened to check this one...

Now this is ridiculous. The thing the things will love!

Just look at the voting so far:

Lommy -> Rikae (Rikae1)
Gil -> Rune (Rikae1, Rune1)
Volo -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Mac1)
Volo -> - Mac / + Nogrod (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1)
Glirdy ->Briseis (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1)
Mac -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1)
Nogrod -> Jenny (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1)
Briseis -> Glirdy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Glirdy1)

Just great! Nice!

But if we can pick the beginners or the safeties, then no problem... But if we can.

Rune dont make that mistake... *my keyboard suddenly started acting in it\s own way and I will have to close the thing to get it working normally again... if that is possible*

Think about the whole of the Day, not the way the thingies try to twist it at this point, knowing I\m going to be off/line soon & right now... And please read what I said> it is not only that Jenny knew the rules, there was much other things more pressing than that *#58 and#73*. They were the principal reasons...

Sorry this machine doesn\t allow me to select any part of text right now. *The right pointer of the mouse is not working( I try to cokme back with the @last word@ before I go to sleep... :)

[Kitanna]

Lommy started with a crash and a bang of accusing Rikae of being suspicious. She continued to say that Rikae was getting less and less suspicious in her eyes, but then finishes her Day 1 career by voting for her. It’s an irksome thing, it really is. That’s what she did to me last time and I dislike it.
But Lommy said this:
She seems to be the most suspicious this far. Ironically, the more I read her posts, the less I suspect her, but as there's no one other I suspect, I "must" vote her.
So would you rather have had Lommy just pull off a random name or go with the one person she had the slightest suspicion of?

I see there was a bit of a back and forth between Nogrod and Jenny and then Nogrod and Volo. There's something in that trio that I find suspicious, but I can't quite explain. I have only a little bit of time now, but for Day Two I will be able to examine and give reasons for my uneasy feeling. Unfortunately time is against me.

So, it is now vote time for me.

++ Macalaure

I have moved Rikae my other main suspect farther down. She is still my second suspect, but as I said with each post I suspect her a little less. Mac on the other hand I haven't been given a reason to suspect him less.
Mac still seems to be simultaneously trying to draw attention to me and to paint himself as my supporter, and I find it strange, to say the least.

Rikae, please, tell me, how can I defend myself from drawing attention towards you without drawing attention to you while I do so? It's not possible!
You brought attention to her in your second post (#12), that helped throw Rikae into the village eye. In your third post (#13) you discount what Lommy said about Rikae, keeping her in the spotlight while "defending" her not "thought all the way through" reasoning. In your fourth post (#15) you defend your own actions and natural reaction. But in your fifth post (#20) you continue to use Rikae and your points about her as your own defense, still keeping Rikae at the fore front of everyone's thoughts, but making sure everyone knows you don't find her overly guilty. In your sixth post (#27) there's another natural response to what Rikae said in response to you.
It wasn't my intention to cast a bad light on you. After this post, I'm rather fond of your innocence actually. Also note that I defended you against Lommy.
Yet more defense of Rikae, reminding us if something bad should happen to her, hey look who thought she was innocent all along. Your seventh post (#30) was (aside from the first post) the only one so far not bringing up Rikae in some way or another. In your eighth post (#43) more defense of Rikae, when you've made yourself perfectly clear already. The ninth post is really nothing more than a dispute over the rules and role of the Ranger. Tenth post (#63) again, defending himself and Rikae, pushing her into the spotlight and using her as an almost human shield against attacks on himself. Eleventh post (#72) finally a post about other villagers with no mention of Rikae. However he gives little by way of suspcions. Twelfth post (#75) I quoted above where he asks Rikae to say how he could not bring her up. Thirteenth post (#77) defense of himself over following Folwren's thinking on Lommy. Fourteenth post (#81) lists everyone and votes for Lommy. Last post so far.
Soooo, out of fourteen posts nine contain some reference to Rikae, often times restating what has been said by Mac over and over again. Two of those nine seemed like natural responses, that most anyone would have had. I worry about Mac because he has been putting Rikae in the spotlight and keeping ehr there, while at the same time trying to completely cover his own tracks. Look at Mac's defenses almost all defense posts (which there are quite a few) center around Rikae. I feel he is pushing her forward and drawing many eyes to her, but at the same time telling us all to think she's innocent. This way should she be lynched and found innocent he will look good by being her defender from the get go. I smell a piggy-backing Thing in that whole setup.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, time be drawing near, I believe. Arr, I'll vote now.

++Thinlomien

That be all for now, me hearties. Arrrrrrr.

[Rikae]

I'm really sorry, and though I feel pretty rotten suspecting someone for defending me, I do. Fon a number of reasons I've already explained, I think I'm reluctantly going to cast my vote for ++Macalaure

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Nogrod I know that you had other issues with Jenny and I have some my self. . .Infact her first two post made me very confused. I just seem to detect a change in you and it is as good as any case I can make agains Lommy, Mac, Volo or Jenny.

I think Mac acted weird in the begining and Jenny confused me with her first post as I could not see any reason behind them. You seem to read to much into what people say today and ingeneral seem to have changed compared to how I have expirienced you earlier. - not much, but this is day 1 so it will have to do.

++Nogrod

[Folwren]

Soooo, out of fourteen posts nine contain some reference to Rikae, often times restating what has been said by Mac over and over again. Two of those nine seemed like natural responses, that most anyone would have had. I worry about Mac because he has been putting Rikae in the spotlight and keeping ehr there, while at the same time trying to completely cover his own tracks. Look at Mac's defenses almost all defense posts (which there are quite a few) center around Rikae. I feel he is pushing her forward and drawing many eyes to her, but at the same time telling us all to think she's innocent. This way should she be lynched and found innocent he will look good by being her defender from the get go. I smell a piggy-backing Thing in that whole setup.

Oh, for heaven's sake!! He was being accused on account of what he had said concerning Rikae!! Of course he's got to bring her up in his posts if people are suspecting him because of something he wrote in reply to something she said.

Look, if I said something about Nogrod and people misunderstood what I said, I'd say something like 'I didn't mean that. I didn't even say that. What I said was, Nogrod etc.' Of course Noggy's name would come up in my post!!

And about defending himself, he's got every right in the world. I was killed (killed, do you hear?) last time I played this because I defended myself. I will not stand by and let someone be lynched just because they make a defence. Rikae may have come up in his posts, but only because the defense he had to make was having to do with posts he had previously made concerning her.

Consider - we others have used her name plenty of times!! Are YOU trying to put the spotlight on her?

By the way, I'm back.

So would you rather have had Lommy just pull off a random name or go with the one person she had the slightest suspicion of?

No, not a random name. Someone who had posted before. Someone who she knew wasn't going to add much good to the game. She didn't trully believe Rikae was guilty. If she did, she shouldn't have said what she did about her suspecting her less and less and less as she read her posts.

Nogrod is right. We've managed the spread the votes out a great deal today. A great deal. And we've probably made the Things very happy with our arguments over Rikae.

-- Jack

[Naria]

I haven't much time to spend online right now. I have read through everything and I find

++ Lommy

to be the most suspicious. Her vote is odd, to say the least, very unlommyish. Yes one could argue that she has bad internet connections, but I don't buy it. She has had bad connections before and has managed to get back on at some point during the Day. She is usually very helpful and this time...not at all. Not to mention that the one she voted for was becoming less and less of a threat to her at the time of her vote. Rikae is standing out in this crowd and that will have to be looked at further.

[Rikae]

Rereading the thread yet again, I'm inclined to see Mac as less thingish than I had thought. I can see an innocent behaving the way he has, out a combination of the natural desire to defend himself and the sincere wish to protect another innocent.

I'm going to switch my vote to my other top suspect, and if in doing so I am jumping on a bandwagon, well, she did advocate bandwagons herself.
--Mac
++Lommy

[Nogrod]

I finally managed to reboot my computer.


Lommy -> Rikae (Rikae1)
Gil -> Rune (Rikae1, Rune1)
Volo -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Mac1)
Volo -> - Mac / + Nogrod (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1)
Glirdy ->Briseis (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1)
Mac -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1)
Nogrod -> Jenny (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Jenny1)
Briseis -> Glirdy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Glirdy1, Jenny1)
Kitanna -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1)
Menel -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy2, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1)
Rikae -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy2, Glirdy1, Mac2, Jenny1)
Rune -> Nogrod (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy2, Glirdy1, Mac2, Jenny1)
Naria -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy3, Glirdy1, Mac2, Jenny1)
Rikae -> - Mac / + Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy4, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1)


But let's also see the reasons...

1. Lommy for Rikae: an early vote, defending the vote by Rikae being the most suspicious even though she is a newbie...

2. Gil for Rune: no definitive reason given, except occupation foolery. Later he came back to ground his vote.

3. Volo for Mac: "Ok, this might be nearly as random as Gil's vote, but here it goes." Still explaining it with Mac explaining too much...

4. Volo changing his vote from Mac to Nogrod: "I'm just a newcomer trying to learn to play, I'm not even so far as the style. I think I have enough reason to change my vote:
--Macalaure ++Nogrod
And before you accuse me again, wrongly, I'm off!" (just read his posts #61 and #66...)

5. Glirdy for Briseis: "Ahhh! These time zone differences. I must vote now and I shall say that it is completely and utterly random. I do not have time to go over all the posts because I just got home and I have major homework tonight.
So, here it goes. Taking the name of the person closest to the top of the alphabet and voting."

6. Mac for Lommy: Because of the suspicions built up during the Day.

7. Nogrod for Jenny: Because of the things that made him suspicious of her the whole Day long

8. Briseis for Glirdy: "Okay I have gone through everyone's posts and yeah, I'm no closer to figuring out who's what than I was at the start. In fact, I'm even more confused... Sorry, I really have no idea right now."

9. Kitanna for Mac: suspecting the trio of Nogrod, Jenny and Volo but voting for Mac and saying Rikae is her second suspect....

10. Menel for Lommy: "That be all for now, me hearties. Arrrrrrr."

11.Rikae for Mac: "I'm really sorry, and though I feel pretty rotten suspecting someone for defending me, I do. Fon a number of reasons I've already explained, I think I'm reluctantly going to cast my vote"

12. Rune for Nogrod: "You seem to read to much into what people say today and ingeneral seem to have changed compared to how I have expirienced you earlier. - not much, but this is day 1 so it will have to do."

13. Naria for Lommy: "I have read through everything and I find ++ Lommy
to be the most suspicious. Her vote is odd, to say the least, very unlommyish. Yes one could argue that she has bad internet connections, but I don't buy it. She has had bad connections before and has managed to get back on at some point during the Day. She is usually very helpful and this time...not at all."

14. Rikae changing her vote from Mac to Lommy "I'm going to switch my vote to my other top suspect, and if in doing so I am jumping on a bandwagon, well, she did advocate bandwagons herself."

[Meneltarmacil]

Wait, I must have been confused as to when the deadline was. I believe we have until 11:00 me time, not 9:00 as I thought. Must have been all that rum...

Anyhow, Nogrod doesn't present the appearance of a Thing to me. He seems pretty normal, at least now.

[Meneltarmacil]

(cross-posted the above post with Nogrod)

Nogrod, ye might not want to list me piratical banter as a reason fer suspicion there. I've been over Lommy before, and already stated why I be suspicious of her. (the contradiction between her vote for Rikae and subsequent statement of "she's becoming less suspicious" seemed like an attempt to cover her tracks)

[Valier]

(Day ends in 2 hours and 18 minutes)

[Folwren]

Reading stuff and considering things, I'm finding Kitanna rather questionable. She leaps all over Mac for something I can't see at all - his trying to get Rikae in the spotlight constantly. I just can't see it. I don't think he meant to and his posts didn't come across to me as such.

Lommy at least accused Rikae for stuff that was actually in her posts. She didn't necessarily twist the words - she took them too seriously and in the wrong light, maybe, but she didn't have as long to consider, nor as much of the day to read over as Kitanna has.

Those two are my highest suspects now. I need to think over both of them. I sincerely hope that Kitanna posts again before I have to vote to say something in her defense. I don't have long, Kitanna. . .

-- Jack

[Nogrod]

Well. Take this the way you will. I know exactly who have not voted yet and who have. And I have a strong feeling about different people who might be online to change their votes still.

I just don't believe Lommy is a thing and I know I am not one. So I will not try to save my own neck by changing my vote to Lommy.

My primary suspect is still Jenny. She has to vote still... and I know the danger I'm in with this. But if she machinates my death you shall know whom to kill the next Day so there is no problem there. I may die, but you know then who to blame. You will know the truth with the very message that reveals you the situation toMorrow morning.

So I will go to sleep, at last...

[Kitanna]

Those two are my highest suspects now. I need to think over both of them. I sincerely hope that Kitanna posts again before I have to vote to say something in her defense. I don't have long, Kitanna. . .

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for. 18 minutes is not a lot of time for me to defend my position.

Oops I read Valier post wrong, I see we have TWO HOURS and 18 minutes. Well then give me a few minutes to find the best way to clarify my point.

[Nogrod]

Btw. If I have not said it loud and clear enough, then I can do it now.

Jenny is my number one suspect.

Volo is my second.

Then there is some argument, but Rune might be either mislead or then a baddie and Eonwe I'm really worried about, even though he has not posted anything - or just because of that.

[Folwren]

Oops I read Valier post wrong, I see we have TWO HOURS and 18 minutes. Well then give me a few minutes to find the best way to clarify my point.

Well, do try to hurry. I don't know if Mom'll let me come back to the computer tonight and I've just been called away. I'll try hard, but I can't make a promise, and I don't want to vote until Kitanna's made her defence.

-- Jack

[Kitanna]

It's hard to explain exactly what I'm getting, but I'm going to try my best.

Obviously after Mac's intentional defense of Rikae one or two posts defending his stand on it is expected, it'd be highly questionable if he hadn't. However I read through his posts several times and the more he defended himself and Rikae the more I saw him as a Thing. I find it a bit odd he's pretty much not even considering Rikae as a possible Thing choice and in defending himself he must restate what he's said in many of his posts. I feel it's all overkill on his part and that he's trying to cover his tracks by repeating the same thing only in different words. I'd take a different stance on Mac altogether if he had made his intentional post, defended it, maybe clarified it and then moved on, but he hadn't. I find him overly defense over a little matter and I can't help but think he's trying to use Rikae as a human shield.

If that only makes sense to me, then so be it, but that's how I see the situation.

[Folwren]

Alright, this is going to have to be quick. . .quick typing, quick thinking. . .oh, such a hard choice!

Reading Kitanna's defence, I can see where she's coming from. I think that Mac's innocent. He was restating what he'd said before in a different manner because people continued to question him. What do you do when someone is not understanding you? Repeat what you say in different words so that maybe they'll get the jist.

However, Kittana is probably just confused and not meaning to be vicious.

I'll go for

++Thinlomien

I've suspected her all day. I am sorry that it has become a bandwagon, but I hope it is a bandwagon against a guilty Thing.

-- Jack

[Eonwe]

Yes, yes I know. I am backsliding...but please don't hold it against me. I promise this isn't going the be the presidence for the rest of the game. :rolleyes:

Well, I can't possibly read the thread in half an hour, so I'll just cut to the chase and do my thing. :rolleyes:

The fifth person on the list is Naria (sry bout this) and that's the number I chose...sooo....

++Naria

Of course, I hope this wouldn't be my regular mode of choosing a vote victim. But, obviously (I'm assuming) there is no useful information to vote off of, so this is the best I got...

Again, sorry, but it was a busy day, what with midterms coming up, an all that jazz...

[Rikae]

Hey, you're not the only one with midterms coming up, you know.
But SOME of us are responsible enough to honor our commitments to a game instead of indulging in study. :p

[Valier]

The village was in turmoil. Everyone was to be suspected. Many got right to the point and voted for a lynchee. Others waited and listened and others still waited too long.

I say we kill Thinlomien!!! I am sure she is a creature hiding amongst us!" Yelled Macalaure early on. " No fellow villagers it is Jenny we want. She is a Thing." Shouted Nogrod." You are all wrong, it is Macalaure, Lynch him!" Shrieked Kitanna. " I agree with Macalaure on this one." said Menel approaching to join the group now congrigated in the town square. "I say Lommy needs to go!" "I" Yelled a few more villagers from the crowd. Argue ensued and speculations were high, but in the end... "So Thinlomien it is then! remarked Rikae. "You shall pay for what you have done!" Shouted Naria.

Thinlomien's eyes bugged out at the mentioning of her name from so many of her fellow towns people. "How could it possibly be me?" She shouted frantically.
" I can't even see!!!! Please do not do this!!" Her screams echoed on for ever it seemed, but the majority had spoken. They quickly gagged Thinlomien, and bound her feet and hands. " Now if there be a Thing in there, We shall get it out or you shall die in the process, either way we get to know."
Someone whistled a low, eerie whistle that brought two horses into the square. "We shall force the Thing out!!" someone screamed. They tied her legs to one horse and her hands to the other.
A single tear fell down the cheek of the blind garden maid.
A snap of a whip, a startled scream from the crowd.
Thinlomien was no more. Well not whole anyways. Her body now severed at the middle was dragged out of sight, but no Thing emerged.


Dead villagers

Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod
Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent


Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
JennyHallu- Prophetess
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Glirdan- Town musician
Briseis- Seamstress
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Folwren- Jack the Blacksmith
Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one)
Nogrod- GoatHerder
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller


Night 2 has now begun. You have 24 hours. Day will start at 10:00pm CST (GMT-6) Tomorrow.

Things start pming. Please send me your nightly switch and a # each (1,2,3)
Ranger send me your nightly protectee
Seer send me your dream.
Weaver send me your "Weave".

[Valier]

The night wore on. A storm like no other was brewing. Everyone huddled in their houses afraid, that they would be next. But one brave soul sat up. They would not let others die. They would die to protect the village. suddenly,they were startled from their vigil, by a noise from outside. They raised their weapon and went to take a look. "Oh it is you! What are you doing out on a night like this? Are you a Thing here to take the life of an innocent?" "No. Are you?" retorted the other. "well if you aren't and I know I am not then lets go and have a drink." But the other sprung bringing DARNESS and DEATH. The towns Ranger was no more.

The village awoke the next day to huge snow piles everywhere, but there was no mistaking the large spot of crimson in the middle of the street. There in the snow lay what appeared to be Folwren or what was left of her. Her face had been horribly mangled from within,as if something had escaped....


Dead villagers

Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod-killed on night 1
Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent
Folwren-Jack the blacksmith- Face mangled on night 2-Innocent


Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
JennyHallu- Prophetess
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Glirdan- Town musician
Briseis- Seamstress
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one)
Nogrod- GoatHerder
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller

Day2 has begun. Things stop pming. Village start talking :cool: You have 24 hours.

[Rikae]

What have we done? Poor Lommy! And to think I switched my vote because I thought Mac was innocent.. At least if we can lynch a thing today, her death will not have been in vain...

And to think that Jack was a thing all along, when none of us suspected him! And now we are without our Ranger, too *wrings hands*. What do we have to go on now?

It appears we're meant to look for clues in Nogrod's words from yesterday (but meant by whom?):

My primary suspect is still Jenny. She has to vote still... and I know the danger I'm in with this. But if she machinates my death you shall know whom to kill the next Day so there is no problem there. I may die, but you know then who to blame. You will know the truth with the very message that reveals you the situation toMorrow morning. and this:

Rune dont make that mistake... *my keyboard suddenly started acting in it\s own way and I will have to close the thing to get it working normally again... if that is possible*

Think about the whole of the Day, not the way the thingies try to twist it at this point, knowing I\m going to be off/line soon & right now... And please read what I said> it is not only that Jenny knew the rules, there was much other things more pressing than that *#58 and#73*. They were the principal reasons...

Sorry this machine doesn\t allow me to select any part of text right now. *The right pointer of the mouse is not working( I try to cokme back with the @last word@ before I go to sleep... :)
I'll leave it to more experienced players to decipher them. I've already caused enough trouble with my clumsy efforts.

[Volo]

Now you have made a big mistake lynching Lommy, I don't get what was so scary with her... Far more suspicios is Mac and especially Nogrod! His playing style last day was no better than mine father's, who was cursed. I don't see Nogrod making enough sense to be of any use, by his yesterdays performance, he began his normal agressive approach only when I noted his strange behavior.

Also he tried to stay out of bandwagons even knowing that Jenny won't be lynched, as if he wasn't really trying.

I know that usually Nogrod is a real gift for the village, but I'd risk lynching him. Pity he can't be a Fenris Thing anymore... :(

I also have a feeling that Mac's innocent, I'm not sure, but Nogrod's attitude is somehow making me think about lynching Mac, but I bet that's a bluff.

About the things, it makes sense for them to capture players that are respected and play well. So this is a game, where the not so skilled players have to fight double-hard. Exept for the orginal two things there is a new thing, that would be either a skilled player or a person who didn't say anything last turn. Me talking about something everybody understands, which isn't usefull.

I'll be away for about five-six hours, depends.

[Volo]

I have also thought about a possibility that Nogrod, wasn't a thing last day, but today he most certainly is. The things would want him first, plus his talk about the ranger might mean that he was the ranger. So he's a thing today, whatever he was yesterday.

At least one from the ranger-discussion has to be a thing (exept Folwren), because the ranger would want to clear the stuff and as we know the ranger is now a thing.
Nogrod could have drown the Rangers attention by such means, they usually show up. (like Boro's and mine grandfathers (seer and ranger), they were both so proud that they congratulated themselves a few times)

Even if Nogrod were a Weaver, he might have got information about Jenny being a Thing, but then he would have invented better reasons why to lynch her and would have started a bandwagon.

Ok, lesson ended. Bye

[Rikae]

Yes, those were my thoughts also, Volo. It seems Nogrod was sending some pretty obvious hints yesterday that he was one of the gifted, especially the ranger - and if he was the ranger yesterday, he's a thing today. It seems odd that the actual ranger would reveal himself like that on day one, though, and besides, the ranger wouldn't know who was a thing with any more certainty than any other innocent, right? And yet Nogrod seemed fairly certain about Jenny. How, too, would the real ranger know with such certainty who the things would attack that night? There's something slightly fishy about the "Nogrod was the ranger but is now a thing" scenario.
Well, I'm going to check back this afternoon. Perhaps things will make more sense later in the day (or perhaps we'll be able to catch them making nonsense...).

[Macalaure]

Lommy's dead, dead and innocent. An innocent Lommy is usually an asset to every village. Really, really bad. And I was even the first one to vote her...

*Note to self: don't go by your hunches, stupid*

And then Folwren was a Thing?? Now that's something I didn't expect. And she even defended me yesterday! Shame on you, Foley, shame on you! ;)


I have some comments about what happened yesterday after I left.

Why does Mac say he agrees with Nogrod, when Nogrod has said that Mac looked suspicious?I don't think in terms of "he thinks I'm suspicious, so I think he's suspicious". Some things I said yesterday can be interpreted suspiciously, so he had every right to. What he said made sense.

...until then. Just after I voted and left, Nogrod started saying things that make me raise both my eyebrows today. Chance? Never! :p

I already thought it weird yesterday that he went after Eonwe so early. So Eo was a wolf the in the last village. So what??

A bit suspicious of:
Macalaure
Glirdan
Gil-Galad

Actually suspicious of:
Volo
Eonwe
JennyThere's the short-spoken Gil-Galad, the often silent Eonwe (who hadn't even posted then), the relatively new Volo, and Glirdan who is known to have hunches that, well, don't really work out all the time (no offense intended, Glirdy, really) and often gets lynched for them.

We already said that the things will want to change stronger players at night. This leaves them with the less strong players as favourite day lynchs. Nogrod here puts suspicion on 6 villagers, at least 4 of which one could regard as not-so-strong (again: really, really, no offense to anybody, I mean that).
Jenny can be considered an easy target as well. Her foremothers always tended to get a little bit nervous when under suspicion.

He puts Folwren as a sure innocent and I don't know what to make out of that.

Then there's Nogrod's infamous vote-reasons post.
First off: why?
Why talk about everyone's reasons for voting at that time? He already voted Jenny, so usually I'd expect him, or anybody, to a) try to get others into voting Jenny too, b) try to get others into not voting for him (he was very concerned about that later), or c) bring up points that are new.
This post does neither.
And the way he does is - my goodness. He's not giving the reasons for most at all! He often just quotes something out of the vote-posts, and it's rarely flattering. Menel's right in his criticism. I've seen somebody post like that before (Roa, Hithlum, wolf).

I also found his fear to be lynched a little over the top.

I don't think Nogrod was the ranger yesterday. No way in Arda would he have asked questions about his role in public when he just could have pmed Valier for it. What is possible, I think, is that he laid out a lure for the real ranger, and that probably s/he accepted it in a way. Jenny? Maybe. I have to think about this more.


I actually feel bad about suspecting Nogrod so much, as he's not here today to defend himself. Normally I would say: forget about him, look for somebody else today, we can lynch him tomorrow in honour. But if he's a thing, he might not be here tomorrow, so I can't afford this opinion. :(

[Eonwe]

Greetings, fellow villagers! This is a sore turn of events: Lommy gone, and a new Thing has been taken!

This is gonna be the weirdest game. Its like playing with three cobblers ... only ... worse ...

I've got allot of reading to do, to make up for yeserday, so that'll keep my busy for awhile... Ill get back to you with my thoughts/suspicions/whathaveyou...

[Volo]

"Oh yeah, I forgot Nogrod's strange accusations on Eonwe, thanks Mac. He won't be posting today (read tgj thread), but I have a feeling that he'll be lynched. If he's not a Thing and I don't become a Thing, I'll turn back on Mac... But I really feel that Nogrod's a Thing..."

[JennyHallu]

Sorry I didn't vote YesterDay. I got home and had no power.

Jenny can be considered an easy target as well. Her foremothers always tended to get a little bit nervous when under suspicion.
Hunh. Have they?

Noggie is beginning to seriously worry me, but at the same time I remember that I am often at odds with Noggie. But really, I express suspicion of him and he accuses me of trying to "machinate" his death? If I had died last night, the same could have been said of him. I am also sure that not all those who voted for Lommy were trying to "machinate" the death of an innocent. *sigh* I can't stand inflammatory statements like that. Unfortunately, an innocent lynch very rarely means we can reliably point to one person as evil.

Now, as for voting records yesterday:

Lommy -> Rikae (Rikae1)
Gil -> Rune (Rikae1, Rune1)
Volo -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Mac1)
Volo -> - Mac / + Nogrod (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1)
Glirdy ->Briseis (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1)
Mac -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1)
Nogrod -> Jenny (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Jenny1)
Briseis -> Glirdy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Glirdy1, Jenny1)
Kitanna -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy1, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1)
Menel -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy2, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1)
Rikae -> Mac (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod1, Briseis1, Lommy2, Glirdy1, Mac2, Jenny1)
Rune -> Nogrod (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy2, Glirdy1, Mac2, Jenny1)
Naria -> Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy3, Glirdy1, Mac2, Jenny1)
Rikae -> - Mac / + Lommy (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy4, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1)
Folwren -> Lommy
Eonwe -> Naria (Rikae1, Rune1, Nogrod2, Briseis1, Lommy5, Glirdy1, Mac1, Jenny1, Eonwe1)
I'll be back in a bit with some thoughts.

EDIT: X'ed with Eonwe and Volo

[Macalaure]

I just reread Folwren's posts. Here are my findings:

#42
Defends Rikae
Doesn't like Lommy's vote, accuses her
Defends me
Tells us that Glirdan, Gil, Rune and Volo have not contributed much. (hmmm...)

#49
Says: "Oh!! I think you're right! Ingenious, Nogrod!" about Nogrod's ranger confusion (I know I'm doing now what I just criticised, but this line is just too funny :D )
Defends Rikae from Kitanna
Talks with Rune about tactics the way a thing would

#56
Complains about silence of Naria, Briseis, Eonwe, Glirdan (I no longer think this is just coincidence)
Compliments Nogrod

#71
Answers Jenny about Nogrod telling Volo to retract, thinks Nogrod thought me innocent

#79
Tells she'll be away for some time
Tries to get people discuss about deadline
Restates suspicion on Lommy

#96
Defends me from Kitanna, slightly suspiciuos of her
Tells us Nogrod is right, again

#103
More suspicion on Kitanna, puts time pressure on her

#107
After deadline is cleared, keeps up the time pressure

#109
Eases grip on Kitanna to justify vote for Lommy
Doesn't vote safe


Folwren deepens my belief that the things are trying to make us lynch "weaker" villagers.
She clings closely to Nogrod.
If Nogrod's a thing, Folwren's vote would fit perfectly into the picture.
The way she accuses her eases my own suspicion about Kitanna.
She defended Rikae the way she defended me. This makes me feel good about Rikae.

Since I'm now fairly convinced of Nogrod's guilt, I hoped I would be able to read some hint towards the third (now second) thing from Folwren's post. I failed.

[Kitanna]

What I have here is what was written before the start of today. Unfortunately my classes are against me timewise and it will be a while until I can look into the death fo Folwren.

After the events of yesterday I went through the thread to look at Nogrod, Jenny, and Volo, to elaborate on my suspicions of them due to their disputes yesterday. Honestly it all seemed slightly more important last night when I was reading through. I still plan on commenting on it, but I’d like to see what this day brings before completely elaborating on it.
Though I will say, and I believe I echo Jenny here, it was interesting for Nogrod to prompt Volo into changing his vote from Mac to Nogrod. He told Volo to remember his retractable vote and to “think about it”. I can’t decide exactly what that means. Trying to lead votes away from Mac or help give Volo an air of suspicion for other voters. I will return to them later.

The important issue in my mind, however, is the voters for Lommy. Mac voted first and well before day ended. Looking at his other top suspects he didn’t seem too convinced of any them. He was the fourth person to vote and (not counting Volo’s retracted vote) and of those voted for; none had received more than one vote.
Menel voted for Lommy next, though he also suspected Jenny (as stated in his post before his vote) though he also mentioned Mac as being a Thing. I saw little against Lommy in his earlier posts, mostly mentioned the fact she voted for Rikae though she didn’t find her overly suspicious. It looked as though Jenny and Mac were higher on Menel’s lists, but he voted for Lommy. It’s possible to say he picked the one suspect that had garnered one vote and would help in stopping any chaos over single votes throughout the village which is an innocent move and a guilty move rolled into one. If that makes sense. An innocent villager would do that and could help by not adding another single vote to someone when they have suspicions of someone already voted for. But that logic is easily applied to a Thing trying to hide within a bandwagon.
Naria voted for Lommy next. Claims Lommy is acting very unLommyish and doesn’t believe the excuse given for Lommy’s early vote and absence.
Rikae then decides Mac isn’t so Thingish and changes her vote to her other top suspect.
Folwren/Jack voted for Lommy after spending a good deal of the day suspecting her.
So unless I missed a vote for Lommy hiding away those five are the voters of Lommy. I have my suspicions of Mac from yesterday, but due to the voting patterns of yesterday I’m moving him down and bumping the other four Lommy voters up.
Menel tops the list. He was the second voter and pushed Lommy into the lead. Looking at his last three or four posts I’d say his most likely vote choice would have been Jenny or Mac. He never commented on what pushed Lommy ahead in his mind and I hope he does today.
Naria is the next on the list. She voted when Nogrod and Lommy had two votes each, but her vote for Lommy pushed Lommy back into the lead. That makes me wonder about a possible relationship between Naria and Nogrod.
Rikae voted for Lommy last and changed her vote from Mac. Normally this would set alarms off in my brain, but Rikae suspected Mac and Lommy much of the day. That fact makes me think she gave some real thought to who she should vote for and who was the most suspicious.
I feel Rikae and Folwren/Jack fall into the same category. Both suspected Lommy much of the day and they both voted when Lommy was already ahead in the votes. Because of that I find them far less suspicious than Naria and Menel.

I'll be back in a few hours with comments on Folwren's death and the events of the day thus far.

[JennyHallu]

Actually, Folwren's close association with Nogrod makes me feel less suspicious of him. The things are likely to play very aggressively, since they're only promised one day to wreak havoc, but I think they will go to even greater lengths than usual to avoid associations like that. With one of them dying every night, it will be important for them not to leave clues to their surviving counterparts.

Therefore, I am interested in looking at those Folwren blew off as unsubstantial or quiet posters, and even more especially at those she didn't mention.

Menel voted for Lommy next, though he also suspected Jenny (as stated in his post before his vote) though he also mentioned Mac as being a Thing. I saw little against Lommy in his earlier posts, mostly mentioned the fact she voted for Rikae though she didn’t find her overly suspicious. It looked as though Jenny and Mac were higher on Menel’s lists, but he voted for Lommy. It’s possible to say he picked the one suspect that had garnered one vote and would help in stopping any chaos over single votes throughout the village which is an innocent move and a guilty move rolled into one. If that makes sense. An innocent villager would do that and could help by not adding another single vote to someone when they have suspicions of someone already voted for. But that logic is easily applied to a Thing trying to hide within a bandwagon.

I agree with you on Menel, but we haven't really heard much from him. I have said in previous games that I seriously suspect the second voter in any bandwaggon (even one that kills a wolf). It's the safest place to hide a vote, and is almost never decisive.

[JennyHallu]

Only person not mentioned by Folwren is Menel. Don't know if that's significant or not. Likely not.

BUT I no longer agree that he voted for Lommy out of nowhere. A further look at his posts shows that he was suspicious of her all day, and she topped his list all day. In fact, he's quite clear about that, Kitanna.

[Macalaure]

Coming back to the ranger issue:

I still think Nogrod couldn't have been the ranger. In that case, he wouldn't have started the debate in the first place.

If Nogrod's a thing and I'm right with my "lure"-theory, then Jenny was the ranger. This would mean she is a thing, now.

Side debaters yesterday were Folwren, Rune and me, Foley telling Nogrod he's ingenious, Rune telling him he doesn't buy his 'knows-the-rules'-argument on Jenny (makes me feel good about Rune, at the moment) and me telling him the same as Jenny did afterwards (why didn't he pick on me at all, I wonder).

So, if Nogrod's bad and if I'm right about his plan then maybe Jenny's bad right now, too. That's too many ifs for the moment, but I'm wary.

Probably the things were just lucky...

[Volo]

Yes, Mac. That's what I think. But Nogrod is the main target for me whoever the new thing is.

[Kitanna]

BUT I no longer agree that he voted for Lommy out of nowhere. A further look at his posts shows that he was suspicious of her all day, and she topped his list all day. In fact, he's quite clear about that, Kitanna.
Oh I know that. I'm just saying in his last few posts it seemed you and Mac were more likely his choices for voting. I'm well aware he suspected Lommy most of the time.

[Kitanna]

First and foremost I'd like to comment on Nogrod being the Ranger since it seems to be a hot subject right now. I have no accusation for or against it, but I don't think the Things would go after Nogrod and change him into one on the second night. Given Nogrod's track record of survival past the first few days one I'd think it'd be in the Things worst interest to attack Nogrod so early on. If Nogrod wasn't already a Thing, I don't think they would choose him Night Two.
I'd look to the quieter villagers, honestly. Someone who gained almost no suspicions from others, someone who has been flying well under the radar. Maybe even someone who put out a single safe vote. They'd be an asset to the Things because they have flown under everyone's radar and can probably do so for another day or two.
I'm not sure I follow Volo's reasoning of suspecting Nogrod.
by his yesterdays performance, he began his normal agressive approach only when I noted his strange behavior.
That's pretty understandable, however...
Also he tried to stay out of bandwagons even knowing that Jenny won't be lynched, as if he wasn't really trying.

I have also thought about a possibility that Nogrod, wasn't a thing last day, but today he most certainly is. The things would want him first, plus his talk about the ranger might mean that he was the ranger. So he's a thing today, whatever he was yesterday.
I'd say if Nogrod was the Ranger he'd have no confusion about the rules. If anyone is the Ranger in that scenario it would be Jenny. Back to the real point, I'm not getting Volo's logic. Nogrod hadn't even spoken yet, but Volo is so sure he was the Ranger and is now the Thing. What evidence do you have for that? If Nogrod's playing styles changes today then we may have something, but to make that kind of statement before you've even had a chance to see if Nogrod has changed is rather careless.
Obviusly we won't hear from Nogrod today, but I'm hesitant to find him overly guilty. His actions yesterday point to some sort of a guilt, but if he was innocent yesterday I'm betting he is probably innocent today.

Only person not mentioned by Folwren is Menel. Don't know if that's significant or not. Likely not.
It could possibly have some meaning, given Menel's vote and vote placement of yesterday.

I still think Nogrod couldn't have been the ranger. In that case, he wouldn't have started the debate in the first place.

If Nogrod's a thing and I'm right with my "lure"-theory, then Jenny was the ranger. This would mean she is a thing, now.

Side debaters yesterday were Folwren, Rune and me, Foley telling Nogrod he's ingenious, Rune telling him he doesn't buy his 'knows-the-rules'-argument on Jenny (makes me feel good about Rune, at the moment) and me telling him the same as Jenny did afterwards (why didn't he pick on me at all, I wonder).

So, if Nogrod's bad and if I'm right about his plan then maybe Jenny's bad right now, too. That's too many ifs for the moment, but I'm wary.

Probably the things were just lucky...
I don't think Nogrod and Jenny are Things. In the scenario of the Ranger I agree that Nogrod was probably not the Ranger and that all signs point to Jenny as the Ranger and now possible Thing. But that debate is not enough in my mind to go on. The other Ranger debate of yesterday had me raising my eyebrow, but I think too much is being put into the dispute over the rules and role of the Ranger.

[JennyHallu]

I feel I must, respectfully, disagree.

Menel's first serious post, number 57 for those keeping track, iterated suspicions of Mac and Lommy.

His first mention of me was in 62, saying that he felt I was maintaining an appearance of helpfulness, but not really saying anything. At the end of this post, he reiterates that he is most likely to vote for Lommy or Mac.

In post 82, Menel said that he felt less uneasy about Mac because of his continued defense of Rikae. In that post he said his top suspects were Lommy and myself.

I think he is very clear throughout that he is more suspicious of Lommy than Mac or myself, and his vote seems clearly documented. I do not think that Menel was a Thing yesterday. (This, of course, has nothing to do with whether he might be a thing today, but as he hasn't spoken yet today, this possibility cannot be discussed intelligently.)

EDIT: X'ed with Kitanna's second post.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

All this today has produced so far has been a hype over Nogrod. . . I find him suspiciouse, but I would hate for this turn out to a "lets all vote Nogrod day".

I might vote Nogrod, but I think that we need to fokus on other things as well, even if Nogrod is a thing we would still be helping the remaining two by not caring about anything else.

I must say that Kitanna's aproach to things really makes me feel good about her, she is right now the one that seems most inoccent to me. I am not sure what to make of her case against Menel and the other Lommy voters, I will have to look through it later tonight.

Edit: Cross posted with Jenny

[Volo]

I'd say if Nogrod was the Ranger he'd have no confusion about the rules. If anyone is the Ranger in that scenario it would be Jenny. Back to the real point, I'm not getting Volo's logic. Nogrod hadn't even spoken yet, but Volo is so sure he was the Ranger and is now the Thing. What evidence do you have for that? If Nogrod's playing styles changes today then we may have something, but to make that kind of statement before you've even had a chance to see if Nogrod has changed is rather careless.

It might be that I too hard stay on my logic, but I didn't say I'm sure about Nogrod being a Ranger on day 1. I like more Mac's theory about Nogrod trying to lure the Ranger. But whichever way, I find Nogrod suspicious. I don't understand his posts, they don't make any sense to me, a lot of talk and suspicion without reason. That was how my father (wolf) was caught.


(he told that he won't be playing today http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=492774&postcount=1620 )

[Kitanna]

Most of my case against Menel is about his voting placement. He picked a good spot to vote in, second vote for Lommy, pushed a bandwagon forward. I also still stand by what I've said concerning his suspicions of Mac, Lommy, and Jenny, but I'm not going to act on this until Menel says something today.
Also I really want to hear from Naria. I find her far more suspcious than Menel. Her vote broke the tie between Nogrod and Lommy. Naria made two posts and had time to read through everything. She can easily say she found Lommy the most suspicious and toss out the vote because Lommy had two votes and/or the vote could possibly save Thing comrade Nogrod.

Suspects in order:
Naria~ The placement of her vote for Lommy has me extremely worried. I want to hear a little more from her today.

Menel~ Mostly vote placement, and a little bit having to do with Jenny and Mac as well. I would also like to hear from him before acting.

Nogrod and Jenny~ I think if one is a Thing, the other is not. I form that opinion mostly because of the Ranger debate from yesterday. I'd say Nogrod was mostly likely not attacked last night due to his track record of survival. Though I think his playing style is a bit unNogrodish I've seen him in many different roles and this new style fits none of them. Hard to pin down. Likewise I'm finding it hard to pin Jenny down. If the Ranger debate holds any water I'd say Jenny could have been our Ranger, but the Ranger debate gives very little to go on. So Jenny and Nogrod are pretty low on the suspect list.

Volo~ I'm still not catching his reasons against Nogrod and I keep wondering if there's a plot between those two. Plus is change of vote to Nogrod is having making me question most of what Volo says.

Rikae~ Rates very low and is mostly on because of her vote change. When she changed her vote many had already voted and Lommy was ahead, so Rikae wasn't trying to save anyone. I can't decide what her vote change means in the end.

[Macalaure]

All this today has produced so far has been a hype over Nogrod. . . I find him suspiciouse, but I would hate for this turn out to a "lets all vote Nogrod day".

I might vote Nogrod, but I think that we need to fokus on other things as well, even if Nogrod is a thing we would still be helping the remaining two by not caring about anything else.
I agree. Though I probably end up voting him, too, I don't like it: He's not here to defend himself. Usually I'd go for someone else, but we might not get the chance to lynch him tomorrow. Also, I don't see a good alternative lynchee at the moment, though I'm looking for one.
Right now, Jenny and Menel follow Nogrod in a long distance, to me.

I'm impatiently waiting to hear some real arguments by Naria, Glirdan, Gil-Galad, Eonwe and Briseis. I feel unable to put these five anywhere.

[Meneltarmacil]

Arr, it be a sorry sight that greets me toDay.

Now, as for Nogrod, I think he certainly could be a Thing, but I'll go ovver his posts later and post my findings afterward to be sure. Ye might be onto something with the idea that he doesn't quote reasons. Hmm, perhaps we ought to look at those he did give good reasons for; maybe he's covering them up? Anyhow, I be reservin' judgement on him until I've thoroughly looked over his posts.

I be less suspicious of JennyHallu for now; she seems to be helping more here.

As for Macalaure, I do't completely trust him. That vague list he made of his suspicions and voting for Lommy based mainly on a hunch be a little unsettling to me.

[Macalaure]

Nogrod and Jenny~ I think if one is a Thing, the other is not. I form that opinion mostly because of the Ranger debate from yesterday. I'd say Nogrod was mostly likely not attacked last night due to his track record of survival. Though I think his playing style is a bit unNogrodish I've seen him in many different roles and this new style fits none of them. Hard to pin down. Likewise I'm finding it hard to pin Jenny down. If the Ranger debate holds any water I'd say Jenny could have been our Ranger, but the Ranger debate gives very little to go on. So Jenny and Nogrod are pretty low on the suspect list.Kitanna, if you don't think that Nogrod's behaviour is strange, then look at Folwren's. It's not so much that she tried to associate with him, that can be interpreted in any way, it's her vote. Put yourself in her place. She knew Lommy was innocent. The outcome would have been Lommy or Nogrod. If Nogrod is innocent, then why should she bother? Seeing either an innocent Lommy or an innocent Nogrod go down is a fun thing for a thing. Why did she get involved in it when she could have voted you absolutely safely? She suspected you all the time, she could've voted for you and nobody would have held her suspicious. But she decided that she preferred a dead Lommy to a dead Nogrod. Why, if Nogrod was innocent?

I also have a different opinion on the relation between Nogrod and Jenny. If Nogrod's a wolf, then it was his intention to lure the ranger. If Jenny was the ranger, then she took the lure. If Jenny wasn't the ranger, it was luck for the things. I'd say it's 50-50 here.
If Nogrod's innocent, then still Jenny could be the ranger and accidentally gave herself away, but it means that the things weren't so very eager to find the ranger from the start, and so the probability that they were just lucky is higher in my opinion.
Does this make sense? :rolleyes:

Uhm, Menel, I was just summing up my suspicions back then. My suspicion lead was tied between Jenny and Lommy. How else do you break a tie than with a hunch?

[JennyHallu]

Kitanna, if you don't think that Nogrod's behaviour is strange, then look at Folwren's. It's not so much that she tried to associate with him, that can be interpreted in any way, it's her vote. Put yourself in her place. She knew Lommy was innocent. The outcome would have been Lommy or Nogrod. If Nogrod is innocent, then why should she bother? Seeing either an innocent Lommy or an innocent Nogrod go down is a fun thing for a thing. Why did she get involved in it when she could have voted you absolutely safely? She suspected you all the time, she could've voted for you and nobody would have held her suspicious. But she decided that she preferred a dead Lommy to a dead Nogrod. Why, if Nogrod was innocent?
Perhaps the reason she chose a bandwaggon was that Kitanna is a Thing herself. Suspicion of Kitanna creates distance between them, but she didn't actually seem to want her killed...and today, Kitanna seems to be helpful, but I'm not finding much to support her arguments. She suspects Menel for a reason that disappears under close scrutiny of his posts, and makes an either-or about Nogrod and I based on a rules dispute---in a game where the rules are unusual. Never before has the game been played with these rules...why does she hold confusion there as so suspicious?

[Meneltarmacil]

I've been reviewing Nogrod's posts, and so far I haven't been able to turn up much. His list of reasons for voting mostly contains reasons why votes tended to be random, but I suspect he may have been trying to cast suspicion on people with it (not citing my reasons for voting Lommy and instead giving nonsensical banter from my post).

For the most part, he tended to shift suspicion from one person to the other over the course of the Day, which is rather suspicious but not unusual on Day 1.

I'm developing some slight suspicions of him at this point, and I would like to hear from him toDay, especiallly regarding this strange message he posted:

You will know the truth with the very message that reveals you the situation toMorrow morning.

I can't find anything especially revealing about last Night's death.

[JennyHallu]

When did he post that? When he was warning against me "machinating" his death, and making all kinds of hints as to our dire situation if he died?

[Meneltarmacil]

Aye, that be it, lass. This post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=493261&postcount=104) to be exact.

[Macalaure]

Sheesh, it is pretty slow-going at the moment, isn't it?

Right now, I'm...

..leaning toward guilty (in varying degrees) with:
JennyHallu
Meneltarmacil
Nogrod

..leaning toward innocent (in varying degrees) with:
Volo
Kitanna
Rikae
Rune

This leave 5 people who have posted and contributed near to nothing! One or two really silent villagers is not a problem, but at five it becomes dangerous for us all.
Gil-Galad, Naria, Glirdan, Briseis, Eonwe... speak up!!


on an aside note: Jenny, at Lommy-4, Kitanna-0, a vote for Kitanna from Folwren would have been as safe a vote as one could wish for, even if Kitanna is guilty.

[Kitanna]

on an aside note: Jenny, at Lommy-4, Kitanna-0, a vote for Kitanna from Folwren would have been as safe a vote as one could wish for, even if Kitanna is guilty.
You really think so? I'd say her vote for Lommy was pretty safe given the fact Lommy was two votes ahead of the runner-up (Nogrod). A vote for someone who has no votes is always a safe vote, but jumping on a bandwagon that is well under way is also pretty safe.

Gil-Galad, Naria, Glirdan, Briseis, Eonwe... speak up!!
I completely agree. I really want to hear from Naria because she's pretty much my top suspect. But I also think the Things would go after someone extremely quiet, who had no suspicion surrounding them, a safe choice to attack in the night. Those quiet ones had little suspicion around them yesterday. I understand RL issues get in the way, but say something helpful before today ends.

[JennyHallu]

I am aware that Kitanna would have been a safe vote. It was just a passing thought I decided to share. Frankly, I am completely boggled that Folwren voted for Lommy when she did. Perhaps she felt that toDay it would be construed as a simply horrible vote for a Thing to make, and thus felt it was as safe as any.

Her use of the word "ingenious" to describe Noggie's take on the Ranger rules is interesting. Ingenious implies creativity, or at least fabrication. Could she have been implying Nogrod was deliberately promoting an incorrect interpretation of the rules?

I'm not sure where I lean on who is most suspicious.

The placement of Menel's vote is suspicious, the vote itself is not. I'm inclined to think him innocent, but I would be silly to cheerfully box him away as one or the other.

There are many things about Noggie's posts that are suspicious, and many that make me feel he is innocent. Plus, I will not vote for him when he has been totally honest and upfront about his absense today. Those who barely post are one thing, those who are clear about their real-life limitations are quite another. It still seems possible to me that Kitanna is a canny Thing, and I wonder if her analyses today are an attempt by a Thing to influence the way the village sees that information, before anyone else does an analysis.

And you Mac, I suspect you also...but this is just a vague uneasiness I can't back up, and so won't act upon.

I am concerned about how many people have been quiet or near silent in this Village. It is a huge village, and it's far too easy for the three or four of us who are actually talking to be the only ones on anyone's radar screen.

EDIT: X'ed with Kitanna

[Meneltarmacil]

Yes, my vote placement was pretty decisive in putting Lommy in the lead. I fully acknowledge my part in getting her lynched. However, I believe I have adequately explained that my vote was based on a reasonable suspicion of her at the time.

And Macalaure, I would like to hear your reasons for finding me guilty as well. Was it simply my vote placement, or did something else catch your eye?

Looking back on Nogrod, the idea of his rule-related questions being a lure for the Ranger sounds interesting, and JennyHallu could well be the Ranger who walked into it. I'm inclined toward suspecting her and Nogrod at this point.

[JennyHallu]

Oh because the Ranger is of course the only player who knew what the rules were. I'm sorry, but I'm frustrated with all the suspicion of me being based on the fact that I knew the rules, and shared them when people were confused. This is ridiculous.

[Macalaure]

And Macalaure, I would like to hear your reasons for finding me guilty as well. Was it simply my vote placement, or did something else catch your eye?
The vote placement, the pirate talk (remembers me of Wolfgrod, I'm happy you talk normal again), that I couldn't get a read of you though you posted enough, the somehow lax way you treat my other suspects Nog and Jenny today (being a bit suspicious, being a bit unsuspicious). You're far from the top of the list, if that comforts you. ;)

edit: it's been almost 6 hours now that somebody else but me, Kit, Jenny and Menel has posted... :rolleyes:

[JennyHallu]

Just so y'all know, I'm going to have to vote in about 20 minutes. Power could be out again, plus my husband is sick at home and may need attention. I might be back after four, I might not.

I have no idea who to vote for, but right now it will probably go to someone silent. We can't defend ourselves against an enemy we do not see or hear.

[Kitanna]

Ok, I'm rereading the whole Ranger debate of the rules. It pretty much started with this:
So just to mention this. Please Ranger! Stay calm, avoid being picked by the thingies and pick wisely yourself! You are our greatest asset in this game! The Seer and the Weaver will have valuable knowledge, but it will be transient and thence unsure as the status of people here will change. But the Ranger practically kills a thing with every save s/he makes! So we can lynch the things during the Days but the Ranger may also effectively "kill" them during the Nights (by not allowing the next one to transform)!
Suspicous, sure, but this is behavior normal of innocent and guilty Nogrod. I mean telling the gifted how to act.
I think the stranger thing was Nogrod really started to suspect Jenny for getting the rules right. If Nogrod was trying to bait the Ranger, I don't think that convicts Jenny. I knew what the rules were and had I been around I would have acted the same as Jenny, and I'm sure other villagers would have too. Jenny just happened to be the one who corrected Nogrod.
We should be wary with this. A lot of stock is being put into the whole Ranger debate and that could prove to be very dangerous.

[Volo]

Well, I'm really sorry for myself if I'm wrong, but now from talk to deeds.

++Nogrod

The theater took longer than I thought...

[JennyHallu]

Here's a vote:

++Glirdan

This may change, but for now I've got a random choice among the silent and near-silent villagers.

I mean really, who's spoken today?

Kitanna,
Me,
Volo,
Menel,
Mac,
Rune,
Rikae,
Eonwe

And Eonwe is still a near-silent. *sigh* This is the best I've got so far.

[JennyHallu]

Double posting..

It's not totally random, it's the only one Folwren mentioned twice in her "I'd like to hear more" lists.

[Eonwe]

Well, perhaps I can amend that, Miss Hallu!! :)

This certainly is a prolific village, even if I'm not...

So what we're saying is that Flowren was a Thing, and now the Ranger has been infested by a Thing? Hmmm...

About yesterday's Ranger debate. It is indeed very intersting and probobly pretty helpful that it happened. I personally feal good about Jenny and Mac. They just seems very objective and rational about it. But then again, that is the best way for a Thing to hide: you cannot ever see past people when they are saying smart things, can you? And I agree with Mac, that Nogrod was prolly not the ranger. What would he stand to gain? Why not just PM Valier about it primately?

[Rikae]

Well, I'm back.

I must say, I suspected Nogrod of being either an old or new thing this morning, and after reading the posts, I'm inclined to go with my original instincts. Nogrod, it seems to me, practically ran around screaming “I'm gifted!” yesterday, which is strange enough by itself, but added to the fact that yesterday's ranger is today's new thing, is pretty condemning.

He made that giftedish post about us knowing the truth today (which only told us he know a gifted would be attacked last night).

He also posted this strangeness:

“*my keyboard suddenly started acting in it\s own way and I will have to close the thing to get it working normally again... if that is possible*...it is not only that Jenny knew the rules, there was much other things more pressing than that”

the following could be taken at face value, or seen as another ranger hint:

“I'm a bit worried about my operation I might not get to sleep so easily”


Now, maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it looks like he's trying to tell us he's the Ranger and Jenny is a thing...which may very well mean that Nogrod was a thing and Jenny was innocent.

I see these possibilities:

1. Nogrod was a thing and was bluffing with this stuff – therefore, lynch Nogrod

2. Nogrod was the ranger, and so is now a thing – therefore, we should lynch hum

3. Nogrod was the seer or weaver, and expected to be attacked during the night – therefore, we shouldn't lynch him

4. Nogrod is an innocent sacrificing himself to protect the gifteds – in which case, we're better off lynching a thing, but better off lynching Nogrod than accidentally lynching the seer or weaver.

As far as #3 goes, It seems unlikely that the real seer or weaver would expose himself like that on Day One, and if he did, that the things wouldn't attack him that night.

Regarding everybody else's posts:

Volo and Mac made sensible arguments & I agree with them. Like I said yesterday, Mac looks pretty innocent to me at this point, and Volo still seems to be acting strangely, but I can't come to any definite conclusion about him.

Our silent players (Gil, Naria, Eonwe and Glirdan): I'm tempted to lynch one of them, both out of fear of a thing flying under the radar and to keep the contributing players in the game, but on second thought, the death of a silent player won't give us any real leads, regardless of whether they are proven guilty or innocent. The death of someone who has been active will at least give us a trail to follow.

Jenny: Already looked suspicious because of the whole Nogrod situation, and nothing she's said so far has made her seem less so.

Kitanna: Her suspicion of Menel and Naria due to vote placement seems logical, but I think we have stronger leads at this point. Kitanna seems to want to shift the focus away from Nogrod. This especially looks like a strange thing to say, regarding Jenny and Nogrod: “I think if one is a Thing, the other is not. I form that opinion mostly because of the Ranger debate from yesterday” is an odd thing to say, indeed, considering that things are different today than yesterday in any event. She doesn't seem to have a logical reason for the assumption that Jenny and Nogrod are not linked. If Nogrod turns out to be a thing, I will definitely be more suspicious of Kitanna

Menel- seems to be acting differently today (and I miss the in-character posts!) - he now suspects Mac and is less suspicious of Jenny? Why? Perhaps Menel is not himself toDay? He also said “I can't find anything especially revealing about last Night's death.”, which is very odd indeed, knowing the ranger was attacked seems pretty “revealing” to me. .

As it stands, I'll probably vote for Nogrod tonight, but I'm holding off for now so I can take as much of today's discussion into account as possible.

[Macalaure]

It's getting late around here, so here's my vote.

I don't think Nogrod's the seer/weaver. If he was, he would have laid low (not giving hints and acting like an ordo) until he knew something of substance. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't act that nervous and anxious about his lynch.

Jenny or Menel would be my alternatives to voting Nogrod, but I don't feel so clearly about them as I do about Nogrod. Especially now that the village is quite silent, it's awful to get rid of somebody as lively as him.

*sigh*

++Nogrod

Another alternative would be lynching a quiet one, but that would be the ultimate shot into the dark, and I doubt there's more than one thing among them.

[Meneltarmacil]

Arrr, seems like I be a little suspicious today, eh? I must say, I wasn't expecting a mutiny out of ye...

My main suspects be Nogrod and JennyHallu. Nogrod because of his shifting suspicions, omission of me voting reasons, and the whole business with the Ranger-baiting. 'Course, his post about how the Night's death would reveal something be a little odd no matter how ye look at him, Thing or no...

JennyHallu, though, be another matter. She could well be the Ranger-turned-Thing, but then again she may not. Or she could have been a Thing from the beginning, as I found her pretty suspicious yesterDay. Either way, I be planning on making Nogrod walk the plank toDay before reaching a decision on her.

Macalaure, matey, the pirate talk needn't concern ye, as it be an in-character thing. I've explained me vote enough already, and I be fairly suspicious of both Jenny and Nogrod (the latter more so). Avast ye!

[Naria]

I am a little confused as to why there is a 'Ranger debate' and how Nog is connected to this? We were told that our Ranger died yes, but we were not told whom the Ranger was. So how are we able to go back to a certain post or two to determine what transpired if we have no real leads to go on. Yes Nog is acting strange, but I didn't connect his chit chat to being a Ranger. And if one went back to the start of Night one there is no mention from Valier stating that the Ranger can do his/her duty for the Night. Hmm, more thinkin to do....

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Jenny and Mac has raised the interestimg points about the high number of silent people we have in our comunity. . .

What to do about them. . . lynching them would be pretty random, but leaving them would leave lots of opportunety for the things to hide. Should we just hope they speak up at some point or what do you guys think?

About Nogrod. . . I am quite suprised about how sertain people are of his guild. I can understand an uncertain susspicion like my own, but the confident I see at some people are just overwhelming and I don't know what to think of it.

hmm Maybe we should just lynch him and get this subject out of the way, although I would hate to lynch a person is not able to defend him self.




Edit: Cross posted with Naria

[Kitanna]

We were told that our Ranger died yes, but we were not told whom the Ranger was. So how are we able to go back to a certain post or two to determine what transpired if we have no real leads to go on.
Our Ranger didn't die, perse, he/she became a Thing.

[Naria]

She voted when Nogrod and Lommy had two votes each, but her vote for Lommy pushed Lommy back into the lead.

Now Kit I do realise that I had not talked very much that Day, but I did read everything through and Lommy's excuse was viable but made me leary after she did not show up again that Day. I have stated why I was leary and thence voted for her and consequently regret it. I did not vote for Nogrod because I thought him a gifted. Now that I have had more time to re-read everything and look through the rules, I am not so sure about that anymore.(see post above)

[Meneltarmacil]

I might as well vote now; I doubt anything extremely important will occur toDay until the lynching.

++Nogrod

ought to be fed to the sharks, keel-hauled, or whatever; 'tis all the same, me mateys.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have no Idea what to do. . .I don't want to vote Nogrod when he is not here, but I don't think there is a good alternative! I hope this will prove to be right.

++Nogrod


Edit: Cross posted/voted with Menel

[Rikae]

Well, on the one hand, I don't feel good about this vote. I hate to vote for someone who isn't here, and I have an ominous feeling we may be lynching our best asset, but on the other hand, he seems to be the logical choice.

++Nogrod

[Kitanna]

++ Naria

I still find Naria more suspicious than I do Nogrod. I have suspicions of Nogrod, but not enough to vote for him. But if you all turn out to be right about him and I'm wrong, then so be it. I'm still more convinced of Naria than Nogrod.

[Naria]

Looks like my vote will go to

++ Nogrod

there have been some interesting talk about him, albeit a little confusing in parts for me, and my doubt over his innocence has risen above others I am worried about.

[Valier]

The village was almost quiet and subdued for most of the day, but almost everyone was sure who should die. "Nogrod it is then...and where is he?" Everyone looked around and Nogrod was no where to be seen. The mob of villagers moved in on his house. "We know you are in there! Come out now with your hands up!!" The door to Nogrods house opened slowly and a cough came from inside. "Don't you know I am sick!! I am not going outside!" The villagers looked none to happy. They all took up their swords and advanced towards the door. "Come out now and we swear we won't hurt you." Someone sneered from the back. " Well if I must I must, but what is this all about?" Nogrod put on his robe and went out to meet the crowd. "We believe that you indeed are a Thing!!" "Oh really?" sneered Nogrod in return "and what makes you think that?" Everyone shuffled their feet, but no one answered.

The villagers had had enough. They raised their swords in unison and charged at the robed Nogrod. They fell upon him with such a fury, but one villager stood behind. Glirdan watched and was mesmerized. The rising and the falling of the sword blades, reminded him slightly of a game his sister used to play....The rope went up, the rope went down...Glirdan began to adulate back and forth, waiting for the right moment. As one of the bloodied blades rose in the air, Glirdan charged and gave a jump, his head being sliced off in the process.

The villagers began to wind down from their fury. There on the ground lay two decapitated bodies. That of Nogrod and Glirdan, their heads had met and now rested together peacefully. Someone cried out in horror. "What have we done?!!!" "Shhh just wait.....Watch" someone whispered. All fell silent except for the heavy breathing of the spent villagers. A few minutes had gone by...nothing..."Well then we are all just horrible!!" But just as that was uttered, the body of Nogrod began to move. Something was trying to escape from the hole where Nogrod's head use to sit. A villager stepped forward and raised their foot high. As the worm like creature slithered out of the gaping wound, down came the foot and squished the Thing into the cold snowy ground." One down, and two more to go" someone commented.


Dead villagers

Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod Night1
Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent
Folwren-Jack the blacksmith-face mangled on night2-Innocent
Glirdan-Town musician-Killed himself on Day2 (due to RL busyness)-Innocent
Nogrod-Goatherder-Decapitated on Day2-Thing



Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
JennyHallu- Prophetess
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Briseis- Seamstress
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one)
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller



Night3 has begun. You have 24 hours.
Things pm me your #'s and your choice. Seer and Weaver, you know the drill.

[Valier]

The sun arose on the third day, since the first killing. The villagers had barely slept, if they slept at all, but the lynching of one of the creatures had filled their minds with hope. They all dreaded leaving their homes. Would someone else be gone? One by one people started to emerge from their homes...one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.....nine? There seemed to be two people missing.

"It's Briseis!! " Someone shouted." She must have been one of those creatures!!" "No wait...Rune is gone as well." someone realized.
The villagers all looked around in confusion. Snapping out of their stupor, they advanced towards the home of Briseis. Upon entry, they found her peacefully sitting in a large chair in her kitchen, as if she were asleep. There was no mistaking, the blood though. Her wrists were slash and there on the table before her was a note, that said only.."I can not take this anymore...goodbye."
Someone threw up and another screamed. "So that leaves us only with Rune...shall we?"

The villagers made quickly for the home of Rune the Weaver. There he lay sprawled on his back in front of his house, with a look of terror on his face. His chest had been ripped open and his heart lay exposed.

" That means the Thing is in someone...... here, right now....." Everyone looked around in fear.



Dead villagers

Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod Night1
Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent
Folwren-Jack the blacksmith-face mangled on night2-Innocent
Glirdan-Town musician-Killed himself on Day2 (due to RL busyness)-Innocent
Nogrod-Goatherder-Decapitated on Day2-Thing
Rune- Weaver (not real one)- Chest ripped open on night3- innocent
Briseis- Seamstress- Slashed her own wrists on night3 (by choice)-Innocent


Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
JennyHallu- Prophetess
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller


Day3 has now begun. Things stop pming. You have 24 hours.
You may start posting. :cool:

[Gil-Galad]

Oh my, we must review and decide from the past day!


though i would hate to do this, but i decided to look more closely at Kitanna, though she may be more innocent, but she could also be the thing because a good thing won't try to make a futile attempt on voting...much paradox's here...

[Macalaure]

Rune was a thing? I didn't expect that.

Let's have a look.


Day 1

#17+#21
Defends Rikae from me
Announces to look at Lommy
Jokes

#38
Says he'll focus on me and Lommy
Doesn't know what to do with Volo and Jenny
Thinks Rikae innocent
Says Gil is un-Galadish
Won't pay attention to Glirdan yet

#45
Wonders whether we should make up new tactics

#51+#87
There and back again

#90
Criticises Nogrod and will maybe vote for him

#95
Says he has detected a change in Nogrod
Still suspicious of me and Jenny, less so of Volo and Lommy
Votes Nogrod at a time when the votes were still quite spread


Day 2

#131
Doesn't want us to only go for Nogrod, wants us to look at others too
Feels good about Kitanna and her approach, still doesn't know what to make of her cases

#157
Likes the points about the silent people
Tries to decently backpedal with his Nogrod-suspicion

#161
Sees no alternative and votes Nogrod


Difficult to tell whether he already was a thing on Day 1.
His vote for Nogrod isn't safe enough to be a thing-on-thing vote (I'm convinced Nogrod was a thing from the beginning, as I don't think he was the ranger).
He doesn't go for the silent people unlike Nogrod and Folwren.
If Rune only became a thing on Night 2, it would mean he was the ranger, and it would ease my suspicion about Jenny.

Having reread his yesterday's posts, he did put on quite a few signs. The 'I like her approach but don't know what to make with her cases' about Kitanna without any closer examination (this makes me want to have a closer look at them), his telling us to look at others but Nogrod without doing so himself.

Rune was very careful about not putting up signs that point to the other thing. It's possible that Kitanna was right with her suspicion about Menel or Naria, though.

[Volo]

Well this unexpected... I also hope there won't be more suicides. I was really sure that Kittana, Nogrod and Folwren were the original Things and Jenny the Ranger-Thing. (I mean that I was sure before I read today's death).

I can explain why Jenny seemed so strange, on day2 she became rather friendly to Nogrod and Kittana unlike on day1. She still suspects them, but now just suspects, not accuses. Maybe I'm wrong and anyway, I'm happy to think of Jenny as an innocent.

Now to the scary one, I have a feeling in my toe that Kittana be a Thing. A lot of talk and accusations, but not so much reasoning. Why did she wote Naria in the first place, Nogrod would die, but Kittana did just like Nogrod on day1, voted somebody out of the bandwagon with little reason. She seems too "confused" to be innocent.
But then again, Kittana seems pretty innocent on day1 and seems to have really studied the game.
On day2 she still says some things that make sense to me. What I really don't understand is her suspicions based on the order of joining the bandwagon.
How can she see Naria more suspicious than Nogrod? But than talks for her innocence, there wouldn't have been any sense to jump out of the bandwagon at that point.

I would really wish that to hear some thoughts from Eonwe, Gil, Menel and Naria

[Kitanna]

I was wrong about Nogrod, clearly, but I can fix that.

Jenny is a Thing.

[Rikae]

Oh, my. We've reduced the number of things by one, but now we've lost two of our own! There ought to be a law against suicide (do you think a death penalty would be a good deterrent?) :D .
I have 1008 wheels of cheddar that need to go into the smokehouse today, so I won't be around much. At this point the case against Kitanna looks strongest to me, but I'll try to review the posts this evening before voting.

EDIT: X posted with Kitanna

[Rikae]

Well, that's an eye opener and no mistake! Either Jenny is a thing or you are, Kitanna. Eeeny-meenie-mieny-moe...

One Thing to rule them all
one thing to find them
one thing to bring them all and in the darkness bind them...

++Jenny

[Macalaure]

I already suspected Kitanna of seerdom, and since I know she was innocent yesterday, I'll take the risk of being wrong.

If Jenny is a Thing, then so is Naria.

[Kitanna]

If Jenny is a Thing, then so is Naria.
I have no proof of Naria being a Thing. I still think she's guilty, but nothing can be said for sure. I dreamt of Jenny last night to rectify the situation that I was wrong about Nogrod.

[Rikae]

I am the weaver.

[Kitanna]

I am the weaver.
You just revealed yourself to be the final Thing. I dreamt of the weaver and it was not you.

[Rikae]

Assuming we lynch a thing today, the final thing dies tonight, and the new thing will be next to impossible to catch.
If a thing attacks a gifted, the gifted will not die for 24 hours, and will know who the final thing is during those 24 hours.

If that doesn't happen, we'll have nothing to go on but blind guessing, since there will be a new thing every day.

[Volo]

So, confising stuff said clearly: Kittana is the seer or Rikae the weaver? Or are you just messing around? :/

[Kitanna]

So we know both Things left, Jenny is a Thing. And we can guess Rikae is the Thing because she's defiantly not the Weaver. I advise the real Weaver to stay silent because we can only lynch one Thing today and obviously the Thing is not going to attack me tonight or they lose. So we have a hope of winning tomorrow if with a bit of luck the remaining Thing picks the real weaver. Because like the Seer they have 24 hours to live. So I strongly advise the weaver to stay silent in the vain hopes that the remaining Thing will attack him/her in the night.

[Volo]

Hmm... Kittana, how do I know that I can trust you? And if you're a seer, you can still dream next night if the things attack you...

But Kittana, why did you attack Naria so then, if she's not a thing?

[Rikae]

Kitanna, if I may make the point, you didn't dream of me, and therefore can't say with certainty what I am.
If you lynch me today, and Jenny dies tonight making a new thing, you've lost a "sure thing".
If you lynch Jenny today, the third thing will die tonight, and you will know the rest of us were innocent as of today.
If Jenny is not a thing, Kitanna , having expressed certainty that she was, is not the seer. Either way, you have leads.

[Volo]

If we lynch the seer, the Thing will change and we'll be at a loss. So how can we really trust either Kittana or Rikae. And of those two, I trust Rikae more, she voted straight away and anyway she hasn't been as suspicious as Kittana to me.

[Rikae]

Kitanna, it would have been best if the things had thought I might be the weaver. It would have improved the chances of them attacking the real weaver.
But that's out now, so I'll admit I'm not the weaver. Shame you didn't pick up on my little plan, there.
Anyway, there is no reason to doubt Kitanna.

[Rikae]

...at this point.

[Macalaure]

But I am the weaver! :D

Don't worry! Me is having a plan. I wouldn't have revealed myself otherwise.


Let's lynch Jenny today. (If she's innocent, then Kitanna is a thing, and I'm in trouble)

Then Naria is left and has a choice: She can snatch an innocent or she can kill me or Kitanna. If she kills me or her, then we can lynch Naria tomorrow. So she doesn't really have a choice.

Today we're nine, minus two gifteds and two things is five.

Kitanna dreams of one, I dream of the connection between two. This leaves two unguarded. If Kitanna is succesful, great! If I get no connection, then we have a 50:50 chance. If I get a connection, then one of the two unguarded villagers is guilty and it's 50:50 again.

If we're unlucky, then we do the same again tomorrow, with even better chances.


So, if I didn't reveal, our chances wouldn't have been really better.


PS: Thanks for trying to "draw the fire" on you, Rikae! :)

[Volo]

Now this is interesting, if Kittana isn't the real Seer, the real Seer should object, we still have at least three dreams! So the Seer and Weaver can tell us all they know if they think that three dreams is enough. I'l probably vote Jenny, I believe that both Kittana and Rikae can't be Things.

So, how many you know Kittana of those that are alive? If those + the Weaver's dreams are four or more, I feel that we should openly discuss who the gifted should dream about!

EDIT: x:d with Rikae and Mac

[Kitanna]

You doubt me? The go ahead and vote for me. Then see where that gets you.

But I say lynch Jenny today. Review everything Rikae has said. And real Weaver stay silent unless you think you should come forward.

++Jenny

X-posted with Volo and Mac:
The seer has only had two dreams so far. Unlike the weaver there was no dream for night one.

[Rikae]

But Mac, will your dream give you the new connection, or the old one? For instance, say you dream of Menel and myself, but Naria turns me into a thing the same night. Will you get a connection (both innocent the previous day) or no connection?

[Volo]

Ok, ++Jenny.

We win!

[Macalaure]

It's always the new connection. I checked that with Valier.

[Rikae]

Oh, in that case, great. I thought it was the old connection, which is why I thought our best chance was tricking the thing into attacking a gifted.

[Rikae]

Kitanna - No, I trust you at this point! But that is dependant on Jenny turning out to be a thing, of course.

[Kitanna]

Oh, in that case, great. I thought it was the old connection, which is why I thought our best chance was tricking the thing into attacking a gifted.
But with one Thing left why would they want to attack a gifted? It's not in their best interest to attack a gifted at night. A gifted gets 24 hours to live after being attacked, so if they dream of the Thing... But if they attack an innocent they die and we have a new thing who won't be as easy to track because they'll change every night. With both gifted revealed I'd say the chances of them attacking a gifted are lesser now. A thing has a real good chance of us not predicting who they'll attack, so we can't pick who to dream of.

Then Naria is left and has a choice: She can snatch an innocent or she can kill me or Kitanna.
We don't know if Naria is a Thing or not. I'd have said Rikae, but I don't know. I've only been allowed two dreams.

[Rikae]

But with one Thing left why would they want to attack a gifted? It's not in their best interest to attack a gifted at night. A gifted gets 24 hours to live after being attacked, so if they dream of the Thing... But if they attack an innocent they die and we have a new thing who won't be as easy to track because they'll change every night. With both gifted revealed I'd say the chances of them attacking a gifted are lesser now. A thing has a real good chance of us not predicting who they'll attack, so we can't pick who to dream of.But that's my point exactly - it isn't in their best interests to attack a gifted - in fact, if they attack a gifted we would win, since the thing remains the same and the next day the gifted can point them out to us, right? I thought that was our best chance of finding them, since I didn't know the gifteds would dream about the new connection, as Mac just clarified. Therefore, I thought it would be better if the last thing thought I was the weaver, since s/he might then attack the real weaver (assuming he was an ordinary villager and thus safe to attack) who could reveal him/her the next day.

[Macalaure]

OK, here's the details:

Night one I dreamt of Lommy and Nogrod - no connection (That is why I was so certain about Nog yesterday)

Night two I dreamt of Folwren and Kitanna - no connection (Thus knowing Kitanna was innocent. I originally wanted to compare my sure innocent Folwren to my probably guilty Kitanna. well... :rolleyes: :D )

This night I dreamt of Jenny and Naria - connection (The way Kitanna completely dropped her suspicions about me made me think she's the seer and dreamt of me (thinking me suspicious on day 1), so I dreamt about my favourite suspect and hers)

If Jenny's a thing, then so is Naria.

[Volo]

Hah, good work!

It seems that Jenny was our little Ranger back then, just like we suspected.

Somehow I don't like the feeling when you're completely useless :rolleyes:

[Kitanna]

Well then, I was actually right about Naria without the dream. But we still have a problem about trying to guess who Naria will pick to be the new Thing.

[Volo]

It's easy to find out.

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller

Naria can either get the Things into trouble straight away by attacking me, give them a chance using Rikae's natural skills in WW, or go rather quiet (sorry pals) by attacking Gil, Menel or Eonwe.

So, somebody should check Rikae. Gil, Menel or Eonwe should (post more) be checked, maybe. But what's the difference, we win! You can trust me to mess up if I become a Thing. ;)

[Macalaure]

The five that can be potential targets for Naria are:
Rikae
Volo
Menel
Gil-Galad
Eonwe

To not tell her whom we exactly dream of I'd say I dream of two out of:
Rikae, Volo or Menel

and you dream of either:
Gil-Galad or Eonwe

edit: x-ed with Volo. But Menel's not quiet at all (until today)

[Kitanna]

But Volo, the problem is we can't really say anything outloud. Because whatever we say Naria will probably go for someone else. There's few people left obviously, but Naria's real quiet and her choice is going to be hard to predict. There's a lot of guess work and the more days we're wrong, the harder it will get for the villagers to win.

[Rikae]

We have a 20% chance of guessing right:

Menel
Volo
Rikae
Eonwe
Gil-Galad

If Mac dreams about 2, and Kitanna dreams about a third, we have a 50% chance as he explained.

I think you should pair up people who are as different as possible to give you something to go on (in experience, frequency of posting, etc.)

More participation::
Volo
Rikae
Menel

Less participation:
Eonwe
Gil-Galad



So if Mac dreams about one person from each group and gets no connection, we'll have a choice between a more vocal player and an under-the-radar type. If Mac dreams of Eonwe and Gil and finds no connection, choosing between them will be a shot in the dark - if he dreams of me and Eonwe, or Volo and Gil, we'll at least have one vocal player to analyse for strange behavior. If Naria knows who Kitanna is dreaming about, she won't attack that person, since it would mean certain detection. Therefore, it might be best for Mac to say who he intends to dream about, and Kitanna to dream about one of the remaining three without saying who beforehand.

EDIT: Xed with Volo, Mac & Kitanna

[Volo]

:/ Yea Kit, that's the point, you know, bluff.

[Rikae]

Volo:

She can't, because then Mac might dream of the same person and waste a dream. They can't PM each other.

EDIT: MY natural WW skills? Thank you Volo, but now I know you're a wolf, because of your lying flattery! ;)

[Volo]

Kit can, Mac can't.

Therefore, it might be best for Mac to say who he intends to dream about, and Kitanna to dream about one of the remaining three without saying who beforehand.

I hope I don't spoil a bluff now myself.

(I'll be quiet now. (I hope)

[Macalaure]

Good idea, Rikae, though I still think it'll remain a 50:50 shot into the dark.

So Kitanna should dream of one of the two silent ones, and I dream of two out of the three vocal ones.

[Meneltarmacil]

I'll be goin' with Kitanna fer now and lynchin' JennyHallu toDay.

Other than that, the last Thing be either Volo, Eonwe, Gil-Galad, Rikae, or yours truly. I can probably eliminate Rikae due to her goin' along with a plan that ought to get all the things lynched. And I can definitely eliminate meself since I know I be innocent, but I doubt ye'll be takin' me word for it.

Anyhow, that be leavin' us with Volo, Eonwe, and Gil-Galad. A double lynchin' not bein' a good thing with three major suspects, it be best to wait 'till next morn.

As fer now, this sea dog be votin' fer:

++JennyHallu

[Gil-Galad]

oh hey...that worked out pretty well, though i'm afraid that the Thing, being in a corner, will jump from innocent to innocent to hopefully kill us off as much as possible, though i doubt the thing will jump to me because i have a 65% chance of turning the tides and getting myself lynched.

++JennyThingu

[Macalaure]

I hoped to hear from Jenny and Naria before I voted, but since you all already did:

++JennyHallu

[Rikae]

Good idea, Rikae, though I still think it'll remain a 50:50 shot into the dark.

So Kitanna should dream of one of the two silent ones, and I dream of two out of the three vocal ones.
Don't you think it would be better if you dream of one vocal one, and one quiet, so if you get a connection and Kit gets an innocent on the third vocal one, we won't be left choosing between two quiet ones?

[Rikae]

Oh, wait, scratch that. Your plan is good.

[Naria]

Well, anyone up for a riveting game of hopscotch? Orrrr how 'bout freeze tag?! I'll pick the Hermit you're it....GO!!! *Naria runs frantically in circles trying to get away from a yawning Kit*

[Naria]

Oh yeah, btw I think that all of your ideas will work out Fabtansically. And Mac I am glad that you decided to come out...good on ya :p hehe

[Naria]

OH OH I got one!! Let's play the humming game...I'll hum a tune and you guys try to figure out what the song is k, here it goes

Hummmmmm, mmmmm, mmmmeeeemmmma, me-so-fa-la-do-re-



*suddenly Naria breaks into song* Doe a dear a female dear, ray a flock of golden sun, me a name I call myself, ra a long long way to run *then as suddenly as it started she losses her concentration and goes to smell a flower*

[Meneltarmacil]

Hmm, Naria. I quite forgot about ye, lass. That makes four possible Things, now.

But anyway, singin' be a good idea, not that it'll help much...

(Drink up, me hearties, yo ho! Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me...)

Unless ye be intending some kind of silly message in that post of yours...

[Rikae]

Menel, IF Kitanna isn't bluffing and Jenny is a thing, the last thing will die tonight & the new thing could be anyone at all, out of the remaining seven.

[Rikae]

Hey, there are nine of us. Good number.

I'm Pippin. Jenny ought to be Boromir...Kit has been Aragornish, nonrangerness aside...

[Meneltarmacil]

The Thing very well could be the same person, though, as it would be wise for it to kill the Seer or the Weaver toMorrow. If not, then it could well be anyone, even me.

But if it did that, it be givin' the Gifteds another shot at it, most unwise...

[Rikae]

Note to self:
"Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!"

[JennyHallu]

Boromir? Thanks a lot.

Yes I'm a Thing. And I hope you all die horrible deaths...and yet, and yet, I highly doubt that's going to happen.
My unknown partner: KILL KILL KILL!!!!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!!

And I am definitely going to have some questions once we're all done.

[Rikae]

Aw, be whomever you like, since you only have an hour to live and all...:D

[Valier]

The day dragged on, but there was no doubt who was to die. JennyHallu was a Thing and most of the villagers were sure Naria was her companion.

" I say enough with all the waiting, lets kill her now!" shouted Kitanna. cries of agreement all around and one loud "NAAA!!!" from Naria in the back. "I hope you all die horrible deaths!!" shrieked Jenny as she began to back up towards the road to the village. "There is no way you are getting away with this! I know who you are, for I am the Seer!"

Kitanna the Hermit picked up the nearest object, which just happened to be a very large piece of wood and advanced upon Jenny. "This is where you die!!!" she shouted as she charged towards the Thing with club raised high. Kitanna bravely struck Jenny with one hard blow to her forehead, when something began to happen.... Jenny began to look slightly odd....

Without warning someThing burst out of Jenny's chest and landed on the ground with a splat. The now empty body of JennyHallu slumped to the ground.

Naria moved through the small crowd and trying to be as discreet as possible, she beckoned to the worm-like Thing to come to her. Macalaure stepped forward and looked at Naria with a smile..."I don't think so" he said as he brought his foot down on the slithering Thing.

Naria let out a loud cry and looked wildly around, she gave a look of pure evil then took off in a sprint towards her house.



Dead villagers

Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod Night1
Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent
Folwren-Jack the blacksmith-face mangled on night2-Innocent
Glirdan-Town musician-Killed himself on Day2 (due to RL busyness)-Innocent
Nogrod-Goatherder-Decapitated on Day2-Thing
Rune- Weaver (not real one)- Chest ripped open on night3- innocent
Briseis- Seamstress- Slashed her own wrists on night3 (by choice)-Innocent
JennyHallu- Prophetess- Killed by Kitanna & Mac on Day3- Thing




Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller




Night4 has now begun. You have 24 hours.

Thing send me your pick, Seer and Weaver, dream away.

[Valier]

The fourth night passed with not a sound. Everything was silent. The sun rise was spectacular, as always, but the villagers were dreading this day. What would happen? Who was the Thing? Every villager crept out into the open. What they had all suspected would happen, had. Naria was no where to be seen. Upon entering her herbal shop they noted that all the furniture had been moved against the walls. There in the large cleared space lay Naria. her body positioned perfectly inside a chalk outline that she had obviously drawn herself. "Well isn't that great." remarked Macalaure. The day would be a long and cold one that was for sure.


Dead villagers
Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod Night1
Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent
Folwren-Jack the blacksmith-face mangled on night2-Innocent
Glirdan-Town musician-Killed himself on Day2 (due to RL busyness)-Innocent
Nogrod-Goatherder-Decapitated on Day2-Thing
Rune- Weaver (not real one)- Chest ripped open on night3- innocent
Briseis- Seamstress- Slashed her own wrists on night3 (by choice)-Innocent
JennyHallu- Prophetess- Killed by Kitanna & Mac on Day3- Thing
Naria- Herbalist- Dead body found on floor night4- Innocent



Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller


Day 4 has now begun. You have 24 hours. You may start posting. :)

[Rikae]

We win! Now it's certain...either we lynch the thing today, or tomorrow the thing will be one of three villagers, all of whom can be guarded.
So who did you dream about, O gifted ones?

[Kitanna]

I dreamt of Gil-Galad and he's innocent.

[Macalaure]

I dreamt of Rikae and Volo and there is a connection between the two.

Therefore it's either Menel or Eonwe.

I'm looking forward to some desperate defenses. :D

[Rikae]

I'm looking forward to some desperate defenses. :D:D *rubs hands together and grins wickedly*

[Macalaure]

If we pick the wrong one today both Menel and Eonwe are dead tomorrow and, as Rikae said, we have three people left who can be a thing. If Kitanna dreams of A, and I dream of the connection between A and B, we can pin it down for certain.

If A is guilty we have it.
If A is innocent and B is different from A, B is guilty.
If A is innocent and B is the same as A, C is guilty.

By the blessings of symbolic logics, we can no longer lose. :)

[Volo]

I'd be happy if this ended here, I'm not sure if I can post after Wednesday... Nothing is going to happen now anyway, thanks to the work of our seer and weaver, we won on day 2.

[Meneltarmacil]

Arr, well Eonwe be the Thing then, since it certainly isn't me, but then again you can't prove I'm not a Thing either and Eonwe'll just say the same about me, so I be afraid toDay's vote be totally random. As the only likely suspect be Eonwe, I'm going to have to vote for him.

++Eonwe

[Volo]

We don't want it to be random. Start spamming this thread with reasons why we should vote Eonwe :p

[Meneltarmacil]

Because he be a filthy, scurvy, bilge rat! Arrrr!

Seriously, Volo what be the point of that? He'll just be spammin' the thread with reasons to vote me as well, and since neither of us were Things yesterDay, there be nothin' to go on anyhow.

[Volo]

Well, I'll vote the one, who has the "better" reasons :D So start making them. (or then I'm just bored... :rolleyes: )

[Gil-Galad]

I dreamt of Gil-Galad and he's innocent.

if i survive to the end, i'm buying you a pizza Kitanna

also, just to note, if we do not catch the thing this day, i might be next to be inhabited seeing how Kitanna's announcement of my innocence might be enough cover to save the thing for awhile. a say these weaknesses mainly to repel the thing from latching on to little ol' moi.

[Rikae]

Well, I think Menel is right - it is random, and we've already won in any event. Still, as Volo says, it's more interesting if we have reasons, however pointless it may be.
So I'm waiting to hear them, too.

[Volo]

++Eonwe, Menel talks more... :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

++Eonwe, same reason as Volo.

[Kitanna]

Obviously the Thing wouldn't know who would be dreamt of, but...

Why would the Thing pick Menel:
Talks more, would be able to come on and defend himself from Eonwe. Already under suspicion, though not a lot and mostly from me ( :rolleyes: ), but has gotten over that suspicion.

Why would the Thing pick Eonwe:
Quiet, has flown far under everyone's radar so far. Not much for us to go on, has left very few clues and the Thing would have recognized that and kept it in mind when choosing who to pick last night.

[Volo]

So what do you suggest?

[Macalaure]

What was Naria thinking this night?

I don't think that past suspicions or links meant anything to her, because we now all know that the suspicions were wrong and the links were innocent ones.

Did she choose Menel, who might be able to talk himself out of suspicion?
Did she choose Eonwe, who is more likely to never attract the suspicion in first place?

Dunno...


Does anybody else share the opinion that the game is steering towards being a farce? I mean, the village wins! Unless we make some kind of incredible fault, it is settled. But today we have to do lucky guessing and if we're not lucky, we still have to wait two more (RL-)days until it's official. I don't know...
Maybe the thing should just admit its thingdom so the game ends when it's still interesting. I'm not too motivated to play another (WW-)day where there's no actual "werewolfing".

Don't get me wrong, Valier, the game has been great and the new rules and dynamics were most interesting!
But somehow it's already over now... :(

[Macalaure]

++Meneltarmacil

just to keep it close :D

[Gil-Galad]

++Menel


again, just to keep it close

[Rikae]

Shame there's no double lynching! This game is over, it'd be good to get the next started sooner (maybe with more baddies to make it more challanging...).

[Kitanna]

++ Menel
Because I suspected him at one point.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I guess there be no point to this anymore, and I'd like to get it over with too, so...

Okay, mateys, I'll admit it. I be a filthy, rotten, Thing! Arrrrrrrr!

--Eonwe

++Meneltarmacil

I'll be gettin' ready to walk the plank now. Good game, me hearties, good game.

[Valier]

Sorry about the lateness...I had major computer problems. I will have the final death up some time tomorrow. The villagers have won. Great game by everyone!!! You may use this thread for discussion and such. :)

[Valier]

The village was divided. Who was the Thing? Was it Menel or was it Gil? Everyone argued and bickered and voted for who they thought was evil. At the end everyone had, had enough. "This must end!!" someone shouted.

"Ok, ok It's me...." Meneltarmacil stepped forward. "I was going to just hide it, but I don't see how that could happen now....Dang you people!!! Well I don't see why you need to kill me, I'm not so bad, I swear!!! Honestly!! I just want to steal your body that's all....is that so bad? You won't feel a thing...."
" I doubt Folwren or Jenny would agree with you." Said Rikae with a frown.

The remaining innocent villagers all began to come together into a tight huddle, while Menel the Thing just stood and waited.
They whispered and whispered, then dispursed without word.
They all walked slowly and calmly towards their houses and closed the door.

Menel the Thing just stood and a smile crept across his face. A few minutes later each villager came back out their doors and crossed the short distances towards the Thing. They each in their hands held a long pointed spear.

Menel the Thing lost his smile. "Ok now what are you going to do with those......

*Thunk!, Thunk!,Woosh!, Thwak!, Thunk!, Sploosh!*

Every spear of every villager hit the standing Thing. He stood dead, on his feet, impaled with the creature inside no where to be seen.

" I think we must have got it too" Whispered Eonwe. "Let's hope your right" sighed Kitanna.

" It's over" Volo said as he poked the body with a stick. "Let's all go have a drink."


Villagers win!!!!!! Great game everyone!!! Oh and here are some stats....


Original Things= Naria, Folwren, Rune

Night 2 switch- Nogrod-Ranger
Night 3 switch-Jenny-Ordo
Night 4 switch- Menel-Ordo


Weaver "dreams"

Night 1- Lommy & Nogrod= No connection (Ordo, Ranger)
Night 2- Folwren & Kitanna=No connection (Thing, Seer)
Night 3 Jenny & Naria=No connection (Thing, Ordo)
Night 4 Rikae & Volo= Connection (Ordo's)

Seer dreams

Night 2= Macalaure
Night 3= Jenny
Night 4= Gil-Galad

Please feel free to comment and ask questions. :)

[Nogrod]

Well.

I must say I have very mixed feelings about this one, mainly negative ones as I had no chance to kind of play the game more than the first Day.

I was your original Ranger. So on Day1 I was innocent!

I thought many enough of you would know that to be my style - to discuss the reasonable course of the gifteds in a new situation - and then in this game, distancing myself of the actual gifted role. Unhappily I was not there to defend my positon on Day1, not the least because Rune and Naria had turned me into a Thing the Night after the Day1! I would have loved to play that Day2 to defend my earlier (innocent) self now turned into a baddie... I think I might have made it, but who knows? Maybe this is an honourable way to lose? But it was a chance of a very interesting gaming lost for not being able to get online on that second Day...

So it was just a nightmare to first find out, that I was turned into a Thing (Lommy sent me an sms to the hospital to inform me that the Ranger was there no more), and then I heard that I had been lynched during the Day by another sms by Lommy. I didn't quite know which side to relate to as it was so quick.

A bit frustrating, I must say... but fun as long as it lasted!

Hats off to our balanced gifteds! Well played Kitanna & Macalaure! This was not an easy one and you still played calmly enough! Beautiful!

And Rikae, really well entered into the games here! Hope to see you in Diamond's game soon!

[Valier]

I must just say that the day Nogrod got killed I was groaning in my chair, but when on the third night they changed Jenny and the Seer and Weaver both dreamt of Her I was ready to smash my head into the key board while screaming NNNNOOOOOOO!!! WWWWWWHHHHHYYYYYY!!!!!???????? :p :eek:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

About Nogrod being our choise: we all agreed on picking him, but I think we had all forgotten that he would not be around the following day. I know I had. . .

I felt we (the things) were rather unlucky. After a really good day 1, everything went wrong.

I really enjoyed this kind of game and would love to play it again. Thanks Valier for a great game consept and a good game.

[Naria]

First off I want to offer an apology to Nogrod. We must have had our brains in our backpockets at the time. We totally forgot that you were away that whole next Day, if we had remembered we surely would not have picked you.

I was an original Thing along with Rune and Folwren. I adopted my 'older' playing style for this game mainly because I figured that with this type of game it may pay off. Well it kinda did and kinda didn't:rolleyes:

Mac was very very high on my radar starting on Day 2. I don't really know why we picked Jenny over Mac...I just kept second guessing myself and that led to absolutely no where.

Fantastic job by Kit and Mac!! Rikae, well done! I was very surprised how knowledgeable you were, this being your first game. :)

There are of course a few kinks that need to be worked out if Valier were to do another game like this, but all in all a very good game played by all!!