WWJ XIII: 'Til Death Do We LARP

[JennyHallu]

It was late in the evening before the carpool carrying the Ridgecrest Live Action Fantasy Club pulled into the campground at Ridgecrest National Park. The members tumbled out of their cars and vans, stretching and stiffly starting the work of unloading and setting up camp before the sun went down.

Jenny Hallu, deep in her third term as president of the club, set up her pavilion quickly and set up her folding chair in front of the door, looking out over the people who belonged to her little demesne. They hadn't had any new members in the last several years, but neither had they lost anyone, and Jenny knew all of them closely. She was deeply familiar with the most intimate details of their personal lives, and with the histories of the fantastical characters they played on week-ends. All had long since gotten over any feelings of self-consciousness about their hobby, and camp set-up was going as smoothly as it ever had. Jenny watched them all, mentally going over her tidy alphabetical roster.

Anguirel was painfully putting together his tentpoles. It looked as though his arthritis was acting up again, but Boromir88 had cheerfully fallen into the role of his young apprentice, and was erecting the old man's tent before working on his own.

His Lordship CaptainofDespair was talking loudly and huffily about his desperate need of a lackey, but Boromir seemed to be ignoring him for now. Jenny couldn't wait until he fell into character for the weekend. Melneras was much less abrasive.

Diamond had already fallen into character...well, mostly. She'd erected her tent, and seemed to be alphabetizing her spells.

Durelin was a local celebrity. As the only starcaptain to make Ridgecrest home, Durelin's interest in the club had thrilled Jenny. Of course, her creativity had dulled when it came to making a character, but as Durelin stepped out of her tent in costume, Jenny had to admit her skills with props were amazing. Her costume was perfect, from the gold felt shirt down to the girdle.

Farael was humming to himself as he worked, the words unintelligible. His handmade tent was low and dark, and nearly impossible to see when searching for the bathrooms after dark. Jenny'd tripped over it more than once, then screeched as spidery fingers closed about her ankle. Creepy little fellow...but he did get everyone concert tickets every year.

Gurthang was, as usual, in the process of giving up his tent site to someone else, namely Naria, who was threatening the poor meek man with her flute and a caged rat. The argument threatened to get loud as Naria strove to be heard over Gurthang's apologies, but Nogrod delayed tying up his leg to practice his drill manner on both of them, always an effective tactic.

Rikae was difficult to see. She seemed to be digging a cave, her eyes closed. Jenny knew without looking that the hole would be exactly six feet deep. Rikae liked to sleep almost underground...

Rune's tent was finished quickly, and he hurried over to help Thinlómien with hers, as it seemed to be taking a definite list to one direction. Thinlómien was another who suffered from arthritis, though it was much more doubtful that she was aware of it.

Valier was easy to see, even though a tent stood between Jenny and her...her mohawk could be easily followed as she paced back and forth in front of her tent, trying to get her pointy ears to stick.

Lastly, Volo was juggling his cellphone and his multitude of weaponry, as usual trying to get in one last sale before the dinner hour was definitively over.

Folwren, the vice-president, was sitting beside her, and caught Jenny's sleepy nod. They shared the large tent, and would share the midnight work of distributing the secret roles.

Jenny quietly slipped into her tent and shut the flap. She had a lot to do to prepare for the game tomorrow, and a few hours sleep before she had to be up and about wouldn't hurt.

A cold breeze followed her in, ruffling through her planning notebooks. In her sleep, she thought she heard dark laughter. Folwren wrapped her coat tighter around herself, with a creepy feeling that something was breathing down her neck.

[JennyHallu]

2 AM

Jenny and Foley giggled as they crept out of their tent. Jenny was carrying a neat stack of index cards, a trick she'd used before to set up a scenario. Now all she had to do was slip them under the pillows of each of the club members. They'd know to look for them in the morning, and would find the information they needed to play the parts Jenny had planned for them.

"So what's the scenario again?" Foley whispered as they left the first tent.

"I've told you a million times...Three of these cards carry the message that the player is a werewolf. One says the player is a Seer. Everyone has to keep their roles secret, and the game will be the battle between the werewolves and the rest."

They delivered the cards quickly, then met again in front of their tent.

"We're done," Foley said, showing her empty hands.

"Great, because I'm exhausted." Jenny unzipped the tent flap and stepped inside, closely followed by Foley. When the two saw the scene inside the tent, however, they stopped in their tracks.

Three of their friends sat sprawled in the center of the room, and a strange man stood over them.

"What is going on?" Jenny demanded.

"Shush," answered one of the three on the floor. "It's time to listen. After all, it's your game."

Jenny turned to the man, a pit of fear growing in her gut. He smirked at her without a trace of sympathy.

"Well, not really a game. Not anymore," he said. "I've been away for a while, but I've come back. My brothers and sisters hold you puny Men in such high esteem, I thought I'd start out with a little revenge. Then I'll proceed in an orderly fashion to world domination. It's really too bad you folks have to be my first targets...but werewolves are rather a signature of mine. One of my most effective weapons."

As he spoke a hideous transformation came over the three on the floor. Fangs and snarling muzzles replaced their familiar faces, claws ripped at the floor of the tent.

"Now, don't worry, I'll give you a chance. My friends are on strict orders they can only kill one of their fellows each night. It would be over too quickly otherwise...hardly an opportunity for revenge. And your Seer is real too, in fact is dreaming right now.

"But tonight, my darlings," he crooned, caressing the monstrous beasts that had replaced Jenny's and Folwren's friends, "you get a special treat. These two know who you are."

~*~

As each person woke the next morning, he or she searched under their pillow for the card that had inevitably been left the night before. They stashed it in belts and pockets before heading outside their tents.

The members of the Ridgecrest Fantasy club gathered early, building a fire and cooking breakfast with the familiarity of old hands. When hunger and grogginess had been sated, however, it became clear that two of their number were not among them. And which two! Jenny and Folwren always set them off on their quest or battle with a little speech, and it was past time for it. Not to mention Volo's phone wasn't working, and it seemed that their cars had mysteriously run out of gas overnight.

With little ado, the whole crowd trouped over to the large tent Foley and Jenny shared. Knocking on a tent flap is of course an inefficient exercise, but Boromir solved the problem by quickly taking the part of a herald. "Ho, the tent!" he called clearly. "The Company of the Burnt Omelet approaches!"

A titter erupted from the crowd behind him, quickly hushed by a glare from Nogrod. "Nothing was burnt. 'Twas merely a pinch of my herb, my wares, a rare delicacy."

Diamond sniffed. "Your herb? Weed, more like."

Valier and Thinlomien perked up a bit at that.

"Wait," Boromir said, forstalling any further discussion. "They didn't answer."

"Maybe they're still asleep," quavered Anguirel.

"Maybe they're working on secret presidential stuff," pointed out Rune.

"Maybe they're on the phone," contributed Volo.

"Or indulging in a moment of quiet prayer," Gurthang said piously.

"Maybe they're dead." Rikae seemed hopeful, but the rest of the group felt it was an altogether inappropriate thing to say. It was terribly quiet in there, though.

"Someone is simply going to have to go in there," sniffed CaptainofDespair.

"Then you go," urged Farael. "I'll be right behind you."

"I'll go," Durelin. Boldly, she strode where none of them had ever gone before, straight into the presidential pavilion. The rest crowded behind her. Immediately after entering, Gurthang uttered a muffled shriek and exited quickly.

The scene in the tent sobered everyone. Jenny and Foley were nowhere to be seen, but the generous red swaths of blood coating everything were clear testimonies to the horrors that had occurred here. Searching, Durelin found copies of a poem, written in red ink on a curious leather parchment, and distributed them. Maybe the scenario had changed. Hopefully the scenario had changed.

"Maybe all this is...tomato juice?" someone hazarded.

"No," answered Rikae, voice full of growing revulsion. "This paper...it's skin. Human skin!"

"And the writing is blood," added Nogrod.

"Oh no," Naria murmured. "Jenny and Foley...they've been collated!"

Just then Gurthang came back in, eyes protectively tight shut, looking meeker than ever. "I found them. Most of them anyway. Just inside the woods."

All eyes turned to the bit of verse on the parchment as they read the verse together:

"There once were three werewolves from Ridgecrest,
Whose party turned into a meat fest.
Another had sight,
To see truth once each night,
And a fifth thinks your doom would be best."

"The scenario! It's the same as the scenario!" someone cried. "That means it'll be easy! We just pull out our cards from last night..."

Three hands were doing just that as the first voice spoke. Unfortunately, as soon as the cards were exposed to air, they burned to ash, charred beyond recognition. "So much for that idea."

They wrangled bravely with the problem as they placed the bits of poem back on the desk. Once a day, they finally decided, they'd vote for one who would--well--they saw no other way around it.

Anguirel was still studying the poem. "What a remarkable bit of doggerel," he muttered.


~*~


Dead
JennyHallu - Club President - Bound and collated on Night 1
Folwren - Vice-President - Used for ink on Night 1

Living
Anguirel - aged academician, expert in Ruritanian poetry - Ptolemaius the Objectionable, human wizard
Boromir88 - Fuller - all the NPCs
CaptainofDespair - Pompous Nobleman - Melneras, the Gnomish Archwizard
Diamond - librarian - Dia'l Na Mon the Half Elven Enchantress and Wielder of Azgalthro the Rapping Sword
Durelin - StarCaptain - William Shatner
Farael - Heavy-metal singer - sneak
Gurthang - Clergyman - Cowardly Knight
Naria - Rat Wrangler (Animal control? teehee...) - Kitty Watcha'mikolit the Pygmy Giant, player of the Flute of Doom.
Nogrod - Retired General - Ciryatan of the Dúnedain, a one-legged Athelas vendor
Rikae - schadenfreude-prone mortician - unstable aging halfling stage actor, Ilberic Took, wielding an ancient elvish shovel
Rune - temp - Joe the Beorning Bounty Hunter
Thinlomien - aging homeless sot - Lothwen the Pretty, elven flowermaid
Valier - Radical Hair Butcher - Elven Anoonnoon of Omicron Persieye 8
Volo - teleseller - Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul tha half-balrog, wielding a multitude of sharp pointy objects.

DAY 1 HAS BEGUN.

Werewolves stop PMing. Club Members, begin talking.

Yes, it's a bit early. But I'm sick, and really want to take a nap.

[CaptainofDespair]

Well, bah humbug! Such wreckless abandon these foul creatures have! Though, they are well spoken. And that is something to be admired.

In any case, I would like to keep my hands clean of this mess. So, I will surely have to wait and allow my superior intellect to grant me insight that the rest of you...commoners...could never obtain.

I will allow others to post before I begin compiling a list of potential culprits. Can anyone pass me some of that skin-paper so I can make that list? I do believe I have my own ink, though.

[Farael]

I'm through with standing in line.... to tents I'll never get in. *Farael enters the tent for the first time and promptly steps out and pukes behind a conveniently placed bush* Ugh... it's like the bottom of the ninth over there, I'm never gonna win. This... this game hasn't turned out quite the way I wanted it to be.

It's ok, I know how to solve the problem. What we need to do is to stay awake all night, so that we can see whoever is transforming into a werewolf. I don't want to sleep anyway, 'cos I... want to rock and roll all night!! And party every day.

*Farael sneaks up on Naria* Come on! let's start a band... you play your flute and I'll sing. Let's do some crazy music until the moon comes up and the fanged ones reveal themselves. Then we can use our greater numbers to... how should I say it... oh, yeah, kill them.

[Anguirel]

Evidently, ahem, we should, ah, start with an, ah, examination of this alleged poem.

"There once were three werewolves from Ridgecrest,
Whose party turned into a meat fest.
Another had sight,
To see truth once each night,
And a fifth thinks your doom would be best."

Well, any fool can see that the structure is a limerick, a vulgar form rarely conveying import and usually dealing with nonsense or obscenity.

Unfortunately, this would appear to be a case of obscenity, not nonsense.

Oh, this is quite ridiculous! I'm too old and wise for this sort of foolishness. Who do these tomfools think I am, Colonel Sapt?

We're all doomed, apparently, so I shall spend my last hours enjoyably, pretending to be Ptolemaius the Objectionable and casting a spell to get myself back to Dryasdust College, Camford.

[Nogrod]

Order, order now!

And some respect over the dead, please.

We seem not to be in a game anymore, or in a totally different one that we thought we'd be.

This calls for some strategic thought and tactical ponderings - not singing heavy-metal ballads overnight or disgracing the bodies of our friends by writing lists on them...

Your attitude, young men, actually makes me look at you the more closer toDay... And with your consent mr. professor, let's not lose ourself into the ivory tower of the romantic academia.

Let's call for everyone to open their mouths and give us thoughts and explanations. That's the only way to catch those villains - besides good luck - to which we army-people can't just afford to count on...

[Durelin]

Oh...my. :eek:

That interrupts my campaign for the position of #1 Canadian...

And if I hear ONE MORE PERSON tell me, "He's dead, Jim," I will...go through my mid-life crisis all over again. So don't even start. My name's not Jim! And I know they're dead.

Heh...

*crickets*

That was the evil Captain Durelin...

So, we need a plan. Personally, I say we blast these werewolves into oblivion... We just need to find out who they are...yeah...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

are we sure that this has actually happened ? Could it just not be a really cool ehm life like scenario ?

I once played in one where they ripped this guys heart out, well that was what it looked like. It was actually just a pigs heart!

If not then the blasting to oblivion sounds like a good idea.

[Diamond18]

Wow. I am, at this moment, torn between unspeakable horror and professional fascination. Jenny and Foley, turned to parchment and their blood made ink? I'm half surprised their spines were not made into, well, spines.

What? You're all thinking it.

Well, I know one thing for certain, we'll need all our cleverness and weaponry to fend off these disturbingly creative beasts. Luckily, I have my enchantments -- super strong sleep potions and the like, so they can't possibly get to me. I'll just lay some supernatural whammy on them! And if even that fails, well, there's always.....

*pauses dramatically*

"Azgalthro!"

*whips out gigantic, gleaming, curved sword, as on cue, the hip-hopping beat of Crazy In Love bursts out from... somewhere...*


Yes! so crazy right now
Most incredibly
It's your girl B
It's your boy young
History in the makin'


I have no idea what that means, but there you have it. Azgalthro also does gangsta, if need be.

Anyway, I'll be around.

[Boromir88]

I'm always the red-shirted Mr. Johnson that travels with Kirk, Spock, and Mccoy, on an expeditionary team and ends up dying...so I'm looking at our Mr. Shatner over there.

I understand we also have a Cobbler in this troop? That aint good news thats for sure. It's been a long time since any of my ancestors have had a Cobbler...and my notes on them are few and scarce.

[Farael]

Well, since we are all being so careful and non-compromising, I'll level the first random accusation of the day

That was the evil Captain Durelin...
Let me paraphrase that EVIL DURELIN

Guess we'll have to lynch her, she admitted her evil-ness already.

[Durelin]

Dying? Ah, "a little suffering is good for the soul, Mr. Johnson."

Interesting...you are the first person to actually throw out any accusations. I'll keep an eye on you, as well, red shirt.

"Death. Destruction. Disease. Horror..."

This place smells of it.

We must find...the source. *sniffs off*

Edit: Cross-posted with Farael. No, you are not the first...but I am flattered to be such a target of interest. :p

[CaptainofDespair]

Well, since we are all being so careful and non-compromising, I'll level the first random accusation of the day

Let me paraphrase that EVIL DURELIN

Guess we'll have to lynch her, she admitted her evil-ness already.

But admitted vileness does not mean wolf-dom. I would certainly know that. In my private life I have been accused, out of many things, of evicting peasants from their homes so that my game-hunting lands can be expanded. And that's just my pre-afternoon warmup.

[Aside] Wretched commoners...

Perhaps we should keep an eye on both Farael and Durelin.

[Naria]

*Farael sneaks up on Naria* Come on! let's start a band... you play your flute and I'll sing.

Er, umm sorry Farael but I've heard your singing the last time our group was together and I don't know if you had too much liquour or weed or both, but ummm it was awful. So I think I will just stick with listening to the hip-hop masterings of Azgalthro. :D

There hasn't been too much said so far. So I will go tend to my rats. I will be around...just follow the sound of my flute and you will find me.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

What to do today. . .well Diamond is sertainly too intertaining to lynch today and I think I will hold back on the accusations against Farael, you know. To breake a habbit.

What to do. . .
*starts to headbang to the sound of Naria's flute*

Lets lynch Naria, otherwise I will be headbanging all day and get a headache!


Actually I am clueless. . . Maybe General Nogrod will have some sugestions when he returns? Maybe not, I hope there will have been some development before I speak again, which should be in around 9 hours. . .

*sits in a coner refusing to speak while headbanging*

[Anguirel]

Blast it. If I could only have found an ounce more hellebore...the spell would surely have gone off perfectly...

Ahem. The conventional characteristics of villains in Ruritanian ballads include a certain, ah, debonair, er, air, casualness and confidence.

Supposing some of our werewolves are villains of this sort, then the two who come to mind here are Diamond and Durelin.

I must say I thought Durelin's attempt to staunch accusations most peculiar. My dear ladies, education, or detective work, can only be brought to tuition by the Socratic method, that is, by questioning, and, ah, accusing.

I am surprised that Gurthang has yet to speak. A cowardly knight he may be, but I think we're going to need that broadsword he bought off an ironmonger...

[Naria]

Well I thought there would have been a bit more chit chat since my last post, but I guess timezones....*trails off and

yawns* Me and my lil rodents are off to bed now(RL). See you all when I get up...which will be in about 9 or 10 hours.

Edit:X with Ang

[Thinlómien]

I suggest driking in Jenny's and Foley's memory! They were good gals, we're gonna miss 'em. *shakes her head sadly* So, a toast, anyone?

A nice little chit-chat we're having here, no one really saying anything. *sigh* I guess that's normal. Let's drink for some encouragement to speak up!

Now that I've had a little warm up, there are a few things I'd like to say.
#1 Drinking is nice.
#2 Flowers are nice.
Ahem... Just remembered this was a question of life and death. So, pardon me.

#3 CaptainofDespair is a bit odd. I mean, when Farael (jokingly, or that's how I understood it, though you never know of him) accused Durelin calling her "evil Durelin" and proposing to lynch her, CaptainofDespair says: But admitted vileness does not mean wolf-dom. I would certainly know that. In my private life I have been accused, out of many things, of evicting peasants from their homes so that my game-hunting lands can be expanded. And that's just my pre-afternoon warmup.To me, this sounds a wolfish (yet not very clever) tactic to get the accusations away from Durelin. According to my experience, there are two situations when one may defend a fellow villager like this: when the person is an over-reacting wolf and tries to get the accusations away from his/her partner or when the person in question thinks he/she has a good joke to answer the accusation with (which was not the case, in my opinion, or else I don't get CoD's sense of humour). So I'm inclined to believe the clumsy wolf-tactics, but I know nothing of CoD's playing records or ww experience, so it's difficult to say. So maybe I'm just overreacting, but that just caught my eye.

Well, that's it for now, but I will be back and vote quite early. (About seven hours before the deadline; I don't have a net access home.)

[Thinlómien]

Am I really the only one alive? *sigh* I must vote quite soon and there's a pitiful amount of comments to conclude anything of. Must I really go with my feeble suspicion of CoD?

[Anguirel]

I can't stay long, but I thought CoD was quite funny...

[Valier]

Oh those poor girls!!! I shall miss them terribly, and their hair...I have little time today (RL) I will be back in time to vote and shall read through the little that has been posted. For now though...FREE butcher cuts for everyone. :eek:

[Thinlómien]

At least some people are/were here... :)

I can't stay long, but I thought CoD was quite funny...Good that you said that. Maybe it was intended as a funny joke instead of a defense.

But it might have been a clumsy defense as well, and my vote is based on that possibility:

++CaptainofDespair

Check my first post for longer reasoning.

I admit it, it's not a very well-reasoned vote/suspicion, but I think it's closest to one I can make/have at this phase.

Don't except me to be back toDay.

[Anguirel]

The drunkard Thinlomien's vote is, I believe, influenced by time and alcohol more than any nefarious reason - though it could be a way of staying out of the spotlight as a werewolf, I see this as unlikely.

By a slight margin, Durelin remains my strongest suspect for her curious remarks about accusations. But perhaps darker hearts still can be found among those who have yet to speak.

I am tempted to vote in order to provoke a little discussion...

[Volo]

Volo

Volo had already thrown a few phones into the trees, now only his trusty Nokia 3310 remained in one piece. But even the one piece was of little use, exept as a hammer, with which Volo hammered his own head. "I hate this, I hate this, I hate this..."

"Bdzup", said Volo's phone. He looked at it and found it working! His self-made anoying ring-tone was loud and clear, and anoying. Volo answered the call.

"Hello... Where are you? Are you coming to walk the dogs? Yes, you are, aren't you? ..." It was Volo's friend who was really obsessed with dog walking.

Volo tried to explain his problem, but his friend Kalle, just continued chatting with himself about dogs, he even gave the phone to his dog.

Kalle lifted the phone to his ear at last and asked, "Well?"

Volo sighed and started talking about the situation.

Kalle listened for a while and then said dully, "Oh, I forgot that you had that larp thing going on... But you can come dogwalking tomorrow, can't you?"

"No, this stuff is for real, call for help- Prkl!" The phone lost it's field again. Volo shouted different swearwords in three languages for six hours (that was when I wrote all that /\).


Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul

After shouting bad things (including "Eisenbahn") for a long while Volo finally started turning into Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul the half-balrog. He put on his special balrog-suit and lit it on fire. He checked all his sharp pointy weapons and even put on his wizard hat.

"Ich habe ein Kübelwagen i meine Lederhosen! That's "I'll eat all the wolves that have a nose" in Balrogish. And I mean it! And then again, all this is just Zwei! (You don't want to know what it means :eek: )

Dativ! ("Friends", that is.) We must without hesitation boil the wolves and serve them to Morgoth. And I too find CoD rather strange with words like "perhaps" that never sounds like words of a balrog's (try to forget that I'm half-balrog) friend. It is a rather Zwei reason to vote for him though...

Which leads me to hasty Lommy. She... um... he? Zwei! It is a scary creature to go after CoD so quickly, but it is also a bright creature that usually finds the reasons to lynch a wolf. I might be just as hasty having a lethal lack of time.

I'll probably be the whole next day away picking raspberries, or maybe no. But today I might even say something with sense if the time comes.

Bye for now my Dativ!

[Boromir88]

Durelin, by no reason am I saying thou art fanged...just that anytime I go on a search team with you, I'm the one that ends up dead. Don't take this the wrong way, but if thou art fanged, I don't want to be dead for real this time.

Thinlo...I really am having trouble understanding your logic...
Perhaps we should keep an eye on both Farael and Durelin.~CoD
I mean I know it's Day 1 and all, and we all are grasping at straws here. But honestly CoD is one of the most innocent looking people (at least to me). Really he is the only one that has spoken some decent sense to me so far (see above quote), instead of complete bilge. I won't cast my vote for somebody that's been trying to make some sense out of the non-sensical Day 1's.

Edit: X-posted with Volo

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Thinlómien speaks the truth!

Now that I've had a little warm up, there are a few things I'd like to say.
#1 Drinking is nice.

How could anyone suspect her after that?

Volo is not really suspiciouse, but I just had a hard time reading his post. . .I find it kind of annoying.

This post is mostly intended as a statement sayin: I am around for a few hours.

[Volo]

Reading stuff from a bad writer IS anoying. Should I now clap to you for understanding that :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

I see why some people wish see CoD innocent, but are you sure you're not misled here? (Well, no one can be sure, but think again).

I'm not referring to the post Lommy based her suspicion. If you look at it more carefully, you will see that after doubting Farel's point over Durelin, CoD thinks we should look closely both of them...

I need to make myself a dinner, but I'll be back with more time after that.

[Durelin]

Everyone seems to be taking 1st day, joking accusations a little too seriously. ;)

I must say I thought Durelin's attempt to staunch accusations most peculiar. My dear ladies, education, or detective work, can only be brought to tuition by the Socratic method, that is, by questioning, and, ah, accusing.

I staunched accusations? I made a minor (if random) accusation myself. :p

I guess it's already time to give up the Shatner. No one seems to like his natural...intensity. :D

About all I can tell so far is that Lommy's vote for CaptainofDespair is bolder than I would expect a wolf to do at this point. Being the first to vote, though, she might have come up with her reasoning...because being the first to vote randomly, without any real reason (which is not uncommon on Day Ones, at least normally...though there hasn't been that kind of excitement yet...) would draw even more attention to her. Ah, I cannot conclude anything. I argue with myself, and tend to lose my arguments.

I will not assume at all, but I will suggest that perhaps it is more likely that all the wolves have posted today than that they have not. It is most wise for a wolf to remain under the radar, but not completely off it (in other words: they have us in their sights but have cloaking devices), for if we are more likely to notice them missing than here and quite but thoughtful.

Unfortunately, quite a number of people are flying under the radar, and perhaps some have tried to do so, but have not been so successful.

I know I am obsessed with radar, but I know from experience when that goes down, you're lost in the dark.

(I apologize for abusing my smilie privileges.)

[Anguirel]

A point of interest: Gurthang and Rikae are so far most notable in their silence. But I suspect that that is not especially meaningful; Gurthang usually talks, argues and flails unless committments hold him back.

I think Lommy's vote is actually an extremely safe bet for a werewolf early on, though of course it doesn't necessarily follow that the drunkard is guilty.

Nogrod, your comment about people wishing to preserve CoD but being misled is pretty blasted cryptic. Enlighten us, if you feel like it.

[Boromir88]

I will not assume at all, but I will suggest that perhaps it is more likely that all the wolves have posted today than that they have not. It is most wise for a wolf to remain under the radar, but not completely off it~Durelin
I disagree. There are 14 people in this troop here....3 of whom who have yet to say something, the chances that at least one of those three actually is a wolf wouldn't be at all unusual.

Yes, the wolves do like to get out there and get the village turning (right now, for me, Nogrod, Anguirel, and CoD would fall under here). However, I wouldn't put it past at least one of the wolves to say very little (if anything at all) on Day 1...while one or both of their buddies go out and get their hands dirtied.

On those three above, I probably won't vote for any of them, today...though Nogrod looks the most dangerous (of the three). His suspicion of CoD looks a little bold for a wolf to make, but with his family history I wouldn't put anything past him. So, I guess you could say I'll be watching Nogrod.

[Nogrod]

Okay. I think I can speak of it more openly. I have only hesitated as there is a possibility of making an error, but the more I have thought about this the smaller I see the chances of it.

So look at CoD's first post, the very first post of the game: I will surely have to wait and allow my superior intellect to grant me insight that the rest of you...commoners...could never obtain.It's written nicely in the tone of a "Pompous Nobleman", but honestly, what does it look like if not a hint of CoD being the Seer?

Now why on earth would the real Seer do something like that? There is no reason imaginable for her/him to do that, at least as a first post of the whole game! There may be situations where the Seer feels her/himself under pressure to be the next lynchee or kill of the Night and giving hints might be a way of trying to call for help (do not lynch me / ranger help me). Although my lorebooks seem to indicate that that kind of hints are no good in the end and the Seer has only two viable options: openly revealing her/his role or just staying silent and wishing for the best.

So CoD is not the real Seer.

Would an innocent villager try tro make her/himself to look like a Seer? I do see a point for that kind of action. If the villager feels that the real Seer is in trouble, s/he might try to sacrifice her/himself for the common good and act as a bait for the wolves. But why to do something like that in the first post of the game?

So CoD is no ordinary villager either...

Would a wolf do something like that? If s/he hasn't thought through all that I have written up here, s/he might think it a good idea. Many enough of us might note the "hint" and stay quiet about it being afraid we would reveal / lynch our Seer - and what's most important, they would not vote her/him! The real Seer coming forwards later in the game would not be an issue because the impostor could always say that it was not meant to be a Seer-hint as it was somewhat vaguely formed and in-character...

So the only person I see having any reason at all to pose as a Seer is one of the lycanthrope kind.

That was what I tried to say - and do say.

EDIT: X'd with Boro...

[Gurthang]

(Note: Italics represent the moments when I lapse from clergy/preacher guy into my role-playing cowardly knightness.)

Friends! I aplogize for my late arrival, and regret that I will make but few appearances over the next few days.

Hiding is the safest way to not get killed, after all.

Anyway, I think it best to first have a small burial for our recently deceased, myself presiding of course. I wish to have a proper sending for our dearly beloved as they move on their way to a better place. It's the right thing to do.

Now, I should underscore the predicament we are in. I'll remind you that prayer is the best for this situation. The Good Book says, "Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you." We should treat them as we would want them to be treated. Don't you think they'll respond well to that?

Or they might just kill us all without any resistance whatsoever! I say a direct frontal attack.... or a quick retreat; yes, retreat is always a good idea!

Hmm... yes, I suppose we must do something. "God helps those who help themselves"... true, it's not in the Bible, but it makes a lot of sense. We need to find a way to stop these foul demons and send them back to their master!

Now, for the hard part.... which of you are these foul beasts? *scans crowd* I'm not good at judging; I always see the best in those around me...

Well, for lack of a better reason:

++Anguirel

Since he seems more worried about the wolves poetic abilities than finding out who they are. (And for old times sake. ;) I'll hopefully return to switch my vote. I just wanted to get that one out there. :D)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Great I have nothing and now I have to go. . .

I am not convinced about CoD's guilt and I did not pay any atention to his comment when I saw it. . .so I am not going to hunt his head just yet.

ehm. . .Volo, I never said you were a bad writter, infact I have opposite impression. I just did not like that particular post.

so it is going to be a pretty much random vote. . .I want to vote Naria or Volo, I don't know why.

hmmm Volo it is!

++Volo

[Nogrod]

I am not convinced about CoD's guilt and I did not pay any atention to his comment when I saw it. . .so I am not going to hunt his head just yet.I'm not saying I'm convinced about CoD's guilt either. It's just the only suspicion that I can ground with some sense. If I'm not able to find any better candidates I will vote for CoD, but happily there's time and I will surely try to do some rewieving of other people later on.

[Volo]

Volo

"Here again and telling that either Nogrod is using his great tactic from my first game or then he's innocent, #32 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=496990&postcount=32) is too much to be a post of a wolf. This was really brave, since if CoD aint no wolf, then bye bye Nogrod. A wolf wouldn't say something like that about an innocent person, too risky. So either Nogrod is a friend of us innocent larpers, he's hoping that we react just like I'm doing now or he's back to his backstabbing."

Tom

"Trusting Nogrod's word I'm going to rip ++CoD if I get the chance!"

Tom the wannabe balrog started sharpening his swords and dreaming about the (legendary) flaming whip he'd inherit from his mum (The problem being that balrog's tend to be immortal...).


EDIT: Rune, sorry, I just tend to overreact too often with such things, it's hard to know when I'm just wasting time and when I really mean it... It's true that I want to learn to write more plainly in the future, but forget it. ;)

EDIT2: x-d with Nogrod, your suspicion was pretty straightforward...

[CaptainofDespair]

Well, I must say I am quite honored to be the first one voted for! This just proves my natural aristocratic superiority!

However, I think some of you have read a bit too far into my comments. I would say that, in light of my comment on insight, I am certainly not this 'Seer'. Quicker would I submit to decapitation than to being some horribly wretched (and poor, I might add) prophetic type.

Nor am I a wolf. Surely I am a villain to most of you common folk, if only being that I am a nobleman of renowned wealth! But that is no reason to lynch one of the few educated and socially outstanding men of this group! Why, without me you would have no one to mock with your simplistic rhymes and jokes. I must remind you that I am of aristocratic stock, and to devolve into wolf-dom is beneath my character. Why kill those you can simply tax to death over time?

Wolf or Seer I am not. And I certainly would not like to miss out on performing as the Gnomish Archwizard, as I have come to love the role in my studying of it.

And furthermore, my suspicions have grown to include Thinlomien. There are certainly others, but the insignificance of those worries are beneath mentioning. However, I will reserve judgement til the 11th hour draws nigh. Until then, I shall continue to gather knowledge.

[Naria]

Wolf or Seer I am not

In light of our General's speech, I would have to agree with you CoD here. I don't believe you are any of the two. I believe you could be the Cobbler. Nogrod states that there are three posibilites for you to have said:

insight that the rest of you...commoners...could never obtain.

That you are the Seer or an ordo trying to protect the Seer or a wolf. Now because you state that you are neither the Seer or wolf and I don't think that anyone in their right mind would say that they are the Seer so early on, would lead me to conclude that you are the Cobbler. There is absolutely no gain in a Seer coming out so quickly or for an ordo to protect the Seer so soon. I really do think that this statement CoD is incriminating. I think that you want us to believe that you are the Seer so you can live longer so as you can help the baddies. And quite frankly, what better way to do it then to say something like that so people second guess themselves. "he could be the real Seer, I shouldn't vote for him" or "nah he's got to be bad, I'll vote for him" then back again "but what if he's the real Seer...I can't vote for him if he's telling the truth" A wolf would have nothing to gain by this either, as I can see, by saying something like this he would surely garner too much suspicion and get lynched.

I will more than likely vote for CoD, but I will hold off until more have spoken.

[Nogrod]

Thank's Naria, I had totally forgotten about the cobbler... That's possible too.

But correct me if I'm wrong Naria. Did you say that if CoD is a cobbler, pretending to be the Seer would help him to live longer but were he a wolf it would make him look suspicious and get him lynched? Now how does this work? :D

Okay, I'm on to looking at the posting toDay.

[CaptainofDespair]

Yes, indeed. In being the cobbler, and prancing around as a prospective Seer, I would get myself killed by the very creatures I would try to help bring to victory. Also, as the cobbler, I do not know who the wolves are. It does not help me to be cobblerish when I have not yet been able to feel out the situation.

I will also say that the General's logic is quite flawed, and his conclusion incorrect.

But, for instance, let us say I am the cobbler. They say that you should keep your friends close and your enemies closer. To do so allows you to watch me, and neglect anything I say. Thus, in negating my effects, you take away my ability to help the wolves and you have one less person to worry about. If the wolves kill me then, because I no longer can serve their purposes, it is a safe kill for the group.

To lynch me on suspicion of being cobbler or wolf or what have you, without any definitive evidence (with the opinions seemingly being driven by my pompous aristocratic comments), is but the first step in handing over our lives to the wolves.

I will now look more closely at Naria and Nogrod. The former and Thinlomien now top my list of suspects.

[Volo]

Tom

"What about Farael and Durelin then? They seemed to be high on your list just a few posts ago..."

[CaptainofDespair]

Tom

"What about Farael and Durelin then? They seemed to be high on your list just a few posts ago..."

I only said I would keep an eye on them. I never gave them position. However, they have not wantonly attacked me for simply being in-character (which is where all of this seems to have stemmed from).

[Anguirel]

Unexpectedly, I must retire early to bed because my gout, enduced by years at College High Tables swigging port and claret, is playing up.

I leave you with a vote -

++DIAMOND

Mostly to throw another factor into proceedings; Durelin and, naturally, Gurthang have actually excited my suspicions more, but a stab at a lower hunch can sometimes bear surprisingly useful fruit. Diamond got herself early and stridently involved early but has kept a low profile since thee mergence of semi-demi-plausible data. In a way I'd hate to see her hanged this early, but I do believe she is a more plausible candidate than CoD, who I basically agree is falling foul of his characterisation.

[Durelin]

I can't say I'm very convinced about CoD either being a wolf or the cobbler...there's always, always the possibility of the very foolish villager. And obviously we cannot think anything good of the intelligence of the aristocracy, though we do not speak of it aloud...well, to their faces. :p

And I am well aware that I risk being seen as CoD's partner in crime by stating anything that might be a casual defense, but I'm fully prepared to take such a risk because I just hate seeing a lynch wasted...even a Day 1 lynch. There should be at least some sense to it... Though perhaps the sense here is getting rid of a confusing and so far completely unhelpful villager if not a cobbler or wolf.


Yes, the wolves do like to get out there and get the village turning (right now, for me, Nogrod, Anguirel, and CoD would fall under here). However, I wouldn't put it past at least one of the wolves to say very little (if anything at all) on Day 1...while one or both of their buddies go out and get their hands dirtied.

Of course it's still a possibility that a wolf might not appear at all on the first Day, but the odds are in favor of all three being there...'twas really all I said.

Anyway, I agree with the three you have listed as being ones who have 'gotten the village turning' (I do like that way of putting it :D), and I find Ang the most suspicious of those.

Why? Well, I'm going to reverse his concept of the debonair wolf, and say that at least one of the wolves will simply have to remain more cautious, in my opinion. All three taking one approach just doesn't make sense to me, and is not a pattern I have experienced (really I think it impossible, if only due to the fact that werewolves seem to have personalities as well). And Ang comes across to me as someone who has 'gotten his hands dirty' enough by being definitely present and pointing out different things, but never really getting down into meaty accusations. This could be said of more than just Ang (probably can be said of myself), but I have more of a bad feeling toward Ang. His vote actually makes me feel less suspicious of him, though...I find it pretty reasonable, especially for a Day One vote, and not as easy as simply voting for a more popular choice.

Though now that I think about it, Boro comes across that way as well, remarking just enough to stay involved, but not really saying anything for certain...he seems standoffish. This is not the usual Boro to me, as I am used to lengthy (and more to the point, in my opinion) analyses. Still, it's Day 1...how much is there to analyze other than CoD, who has successfully engaged most everyone's attention? And he may be short on time, like many seem to be.

Really there's not enough to go on with those two, but, if I had to vote now, it would more likely be for Ang...he has just the right amount of debonair, but a good dose of cautiousness as well, I think.

And I have not ruled out voting for CoD to get rid of his insanity...and hope that he might be the Cobbler or maybe even an extremely bold (really wants to be 'Fenris?') wolf.

I find Gurthang's hasty vote a bit unnerving, as well as Rune's, but I've never felt random Day One votes to be necessarily of any matter.

Luckily, I do not have to vote yet.

Edit: I apologize for that being so long! I hate long posts...I'm such a hypocrite.

[Nogrod]

Well, here's the voting thus far for starters...

Lommy --> CoD (CoD1)
Gurthang --> Anguirel (CoD1, Ang1)
Rune --> Volo (CoD1, Ang1, Volo1)
Volo --> CoD (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1)
Anguirel --> Diamond (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1)

It's still a couple of hours left and it's Day1.

But still I'm inclined to vote for those who do not delve into the game but hunker down. If all the players just went under radar (either not posting or posting nothing of intrerest) there would be no game - or it would be a boring & random one. And as both Gurthang and Boro have already mentioned, it's very safe for the wolves to stay quiet on Day1. It's very rarely that anyone not-posting or just joking is lynched on Day1. That's their safest corner now.

Looking at toDay with this in mind brings me these...

Rikae is yet to post.

Diamond has posted once, having fun (and making me smile too), but not much gamewise...

Same holds for Valier, one post, not much to say anything about.

Rune has posted more in quantity but has not involved himself. He's suspicions and trusts are random and the only thing he has actually said is his being not convinced about CoD's guilt...

Now they all have time enough to come forwards and make their mark (although Rune seems to be gone...). But if they don't, I'm both ready and willing to considerate them as my voting options.

I try to so look wider in a moment.

CoD's calmness speaks favourably on him thus far (even though I still can't see why he would have written the things in his first post if he were not a wolf). I see the point of being in-character, but why on earth just that point given? One could have pointed out the pompous nobility in hundreds of ways. I still think we lack an explanation for it. If CoD makes a good answer to that, I'm ready to wipe him from my suspicion list, if not, I'm keeping him there.

Btw. CoD, what you say about being a cobbler makes a lot of sense. I do not believe you to be the cobbler.

EDIT: X'd with Ang and Durelin

[Boromir88]

I only said I would keep an eye on them. I never gave them position. However, they have not wantonly attacked me for simply being in-character (which is where all of this seems to have stemmed from).~CoD
Tis a pity CoD, as that really was my reasoning for you appearing innocent. As I was thinking the same.

I've seen those types of 'playful' interactions between wolves on Day 1 before. Where the wolves joke around and have this interaction going on...hence why I thought you seemed to be making the most sense out of anybody....and why I too am suspicious of Farael and Durelin. Now with you backing away, after seemingly the concensus was you were barking up the wrong tree, and has ultimately caused you to fall under some scrutiny, you have fallen back in my eyes.

I do find Durelin and Farael's interactions today quite troubling...as this attitude of 'playfulness' is not uncommon or unheard of for wolves to do on Day 1. I've witnessed it between wolf partners before and is not something that I take lightly or simply cast aside as nonsensical rubbish. There's always a point to the wolves strategy for everything. And one that can happen is coming out on Day 1 and interacting in this playful manner as Farael and Durelin did.

Here again and telling that either Nogrod is using his great tactic from my first game or then he's innocent, #32 is too much to be a post of a wolf.~Volo
I beg to differ any crafty wolf can get out of that situation (of being a strong voice in lynching an innocent) by simply claiming they're ordinary, but the person honestly looked guilty to them, and they didn't know any better.

Edit: X-posted with Durelin and Nogrod

[Durelin]

Sorry, I have a headache, and am trying to think in a loud room, so please bear with me...


I do find Durelin and Farael's interactions today quite troubling

I feel like I've really missed something...or it's just gone over my head (utterly possible). What interactions do you speak of, Boro? If you have the chance to explain I would be very grateful. To be completely honest, I haven't paid much attention to Farael yet...mostly because nothing has seemed attention worthy to me. :p

Shameless Edit: I should have looked before I posted. I see you are probably referring to the "Evil Captain Durelin" thing. Well, I felt had to say something when my name is in all caps, bolded, and underlined after the word "evil." :D Other than that, I have no explanation.

[Diamond18]

Greetings, all. Quite interesting reading, for a day one. At the moment the only person who leaps out at me it Anguirel. He seems to be flinging half-hearted suspicion everywhere. First, being quick to agree with Lommy that CoD seems "funny," then declaring Durelin the most suspicious, then saying Lommy's early vote seems wolfishly safe, then saying he finds Durelin and Gurthang the most suspicious but is going to vote Diamond because... um... why? I'm not clear on that. I hate it when someone voices suspicions and then does a 180 and votes for a person they've hardly mentioned, and who is not in danger of being lynched. Nice way to spread dirt and raise suspicions without it showing in the vote count.

[CaptainofDespair]

CoD's I see the point of being in-character, but why on earth just that point given? One could have pointed out the pompous nobility in hundreds of ways. I still think we lack an explanation for it. If CoD makes a good answer to that, I'm ready to wipe him from my suspicion list, if not, I'm keeping him there.

Btw. CoD, what you say about being a cobbler makes a lot of sense. I do not believe you to be the cobbler.

Hopefully I do not misunderstand what you have said. I will make an attempt at explaining myself.

Yes, I could have gone about the nobility angle much differently. And, probably, I should have. But, being the first post, there was not much else to play with. Now, I did say that I did not approve of (or implied, which would also be a mistake) what the wolves had done to our poor Mods. But, nobles (and other peoples, too) have often seen admriable traits in their enemies...something to be commended and perhaps emulated. That was all I was doing.

Certainly, Nogrod, as a General you can understand the emulation of useful/clever tactics. ;)

And Boro, I only backed off of Durelin and Farael because there was nothing left to go on. Had they continued with any sort of banter, I might have found more cause. But my attention was turned away from contemplating them more fully as I had to focus on defending my own actions.

[Boromir88]

Durelin, you're last two posts may have saved a vote from me at least for today. Looks quite observant and a bit helpful to me, if I may say so. You have correctly noticed that I have not been my usual self...due to various factors such as lack of time, lack of sleep, and lack of substantial stuff to comment on. Honestly, everything I've said is everything I felt was worth commenting on...the rest seems rather typical Day 1 junkishness that has been more prevelant than I'm used to seeing. I'm going to have to vote sooner than I anticipated as well.

The comment just doesn't sit right with me (which you have correctly noticed)...oh and Durelin, you could be an innocent by standard that was caught in Farael's trap...but if Farael turns out to be a wolf, by no means does this absolve you of wolfishness either. It seems either 1) it was planned from the beginning (meaning at night), or 2) One of you two was having some wolvish fun.

Since your last post has been of some help and Farael has disappeared from existance, I'm going with:

++Farael

Edit: x-posted with CoD

[Nogrod]

Have you noticed the same pattern I have? Many times people get to suspect others because those have first suspected that oneself. Kind of "retaliatory" stuff?

But if we think for the best of the village, we shouldn't fall for it. There's only something to be gained for the wolves if our reasoning is based on that kind of issues. Remember, most of us get our votes wrong most of the time, sadly but truly. It's a reaction that seems most natural (and somewhat reasonable) for a wolf but not very constructive for a villager.

So f.ex. (I'm not sure if I have all the cases here) Durelin was ready to "watch" Boro more closely as she interpreted Boro to have suspected her (wrongly, if I understood it right). CoD told that myself and Naria were at the top of his suspicion-list with Lommy because we had suspected (and Lommy also voted) for him. Di suspects Ang now as he has voted for her...

I'm not saying that I suspect all of these people to be wolves / cobblers, but I do peg, hold your horses in situations where someone suspects you. Retaliating does not help us. You all know that the bitterest fights are almost always performed between two innocents...

That one aside, I think both Durelin and Di have a point here: Ang should be looked at more closely. His performance toDay could be interpreted as a very wolvish one. Funny though: Durelin and Di are the exact first persons he suspected... ;)

EDIT: X'd with CoD and Boro

[Nogrod]

Yes, I could have gone about the nobility angle much differently. And, probably, I should have. But, being the first post, there was not much else to play with. Now, I did say that I did not approve of (or implied, which would also be a mistake) what the wolves had done to our poor Mods. But, nobles (and other peoples, too) have often seen admriable traits in their enemies...something to be commended and perhaps emulated. That was all I was doing.I'm not sure if we have now understood each other... What I found suspicious in your first post was not that you said the villains were well versed but that you could very easily be seen as trying to generate the feeling of you being the Seer with all this talk of knowledge you have not available to us commons.
To lynch me on suspicion of being cobbler or wolf or what have you, without any definitive evidence (with the opinions seemingly being driven by my pompous aristocratic comments), is but the first step in handing over our lives to the wolves.Definitive evidence on Day1? :D It's a rare treat, I must say.

------------

To add a little.

Today I will not be voting for Lommy, Boro, Durelin or Di.

Lommy had to vote early and she did what she could: look at the overall posting before her vote - she tried to make a reason for her vote - and even if I agree it was a bad one, it sure doesn't merit lynching. This doesn't say she could not be the wolf, but only that I can see no good reasons for her lynching toDay.

Boro felt strange and hasty in the beginning of the Day but has both gotten somewhat back to his level and given a good explanation. I would hate to lose a vocal and insightful player as him this early with no good reasons.

I also agree with Boro about Durelin, after the few unsettling first posts she seems to be productive and helpful. Surely we can't afford losing her with no good reasons.

Diamond really made me worried in the beginning too, but now she seems to be making very good points.

As I've always said... In doubt vote for those who do not contribute because they don't help the village but may be devils in disguise.

But we still have time to come up with some reasons to vote.

[CaptainofDespair]

I'm not sure if we have now understood each other... What I found suspicious in your first post was not that you said the villains were well versed but that you could very easily be seen as trying to generate the feeling of you being the Seer with all this talk of knowledge you have not available to us commons.


I understand what you meant, now.

No, I was not trying to generate feelings that I was the Seer. I was only playing the aristocratic notion that they are better than the landless, titleless commoners.

And since our time is growing short til the Day will close, I shall put forth my own suspicions.

I am still suspicious of Naria and Thinlomien, as well as Farael and Durelin. Obviously, Thinlomien voted for me rather quickly. Granted, she did not understand my sense of humor on the matter. But still, misunderstandings are a poor reason to vote for someone, and so quickly too. And her reasoning of it being a 'clumsy defense' was groundless. I had reason to defend Durelin. I was only interjecting and pointing out my own haughty ways as a member of the beloved aristocracy. But my suspicions are towards Naria, Farael, and Durelin do not amount to much more than curiosity at this point. Naria, for sure, has joined in the assault of my noble character. Farael has said little since his first posts. And Durelin has not done enough to garner suspicion in my eyes.

As such, I am inclined to vote for Thinlomien. She is the only one who has merited it thus far, to me. Though, I would certainly hate it for a new revelation to emerge after I have voted.

++Thinlomien

[Rikae]

*Ilberic strolls in smirking*

Sorry I'm late, everyone, but library science wasn't part of my training. It's terrible, such nice girls, so well read.
I'm also rehearsing a play - I think it ought to cheer you up. It's about a man who impersonates a young American woman and goes on a killing spree. It's absolutely hysterical! The real tragedy, though, is that the bodies were too mangled to use as props.
But cheer up! We'll have another dead body soon!
++CoD

Because hobbits don't need shoes, if you catch my drift.

[Diamond18]

Di suspects Ang now as he has voted for her...

Well, not entirely. I began to suspect him when he made his response to Lommy's suspicion of CoD, and no post he has made since has done anything to soothe my concerns. He could have voted for anyone in the same way he voted for me (not suspecting as much as others but voting for some vaguely stated reason) and it would have set off the same alarams.

Of course, I won't claim to be immune to retaliatory voting... as, being an ordo, whenever someone goes after me I get the distinct feeling I'm being treated as canon fodder. I have, of course, been wrong on many occasions. But in this case the doubt was already planted and growing by the time he voted for me, so I'm inclined to trust my instincts more.

Right now no one else is giving me the same bad vibes.

[Durelin]

You have correctly noticed that I have not been my usual self...due to various factors such as lack of time, lack of sleep, and lack of substantial stuff to comment on. Honestly, everything I've said is everything I felt was worth commenting on...the rest seems rather typical Day 1 junkishness that has been more prevelant than I'm used to seeing. I'm going to have to vote sooner than I anticipated as well.

Ugh, I just really don't like this. Taking observations of suspicion and defending them in such a light way as "oh, but of course...so smart of you to observe" doesn't sit well with me. I like it better when people are more straightforward in being defensive. ;)

Probably entirely baseless, and more something that just bothers me than wolfishness.

And Nogrod, if I was retaliating, I would just say that I was. :p It just so happens that my suspicions have led me toward people who have voiced suspicion of me...but just think about how many times people voice suspicions about others? At some point, you're going to be suspicious of someone who is suspicious of you. Besides, for innocents, why not be suspicious of someone who is suspicious of you, if you know you're innocent? (And yes, I know that's not a reason to be suspicious of someone. 'Tis a joke...have fun with it.) :D

Oh goodness...


Because hobbits don't need shoes, if you catch my drift.

You are the Cobbler? A bit early to say so, don't you think?

Edit: Cross-posted with Di. And oh, Rikae's comment I see might have been concerning CoD? Sorry, I perhaps jumped the gun because I once in my former life did the exact same thing, just replace "hobbits" with "cats" and "need" with "wear".

[Rikae]

Durelin, you might want to reread my post - I voted for CoD "because Hobbits don't need shoes", and therefore, we can dispense with the one who makes them., who I suspect (as well as one can on Day 1) to be CoD.

EDIT: X posted with Durelin's edit.

[Diamond18]

Durelin, I think Rikae is saying she believes CoD to be the Cobbler.

I don't like the CoD bandwagon, personally. I see little in his behavior that I find wolfish or cobbleresque. I suppose I should carefully reread his posts to see what others are seeing, but really, I already smell something fishy and what I'm catching is a whiif of:

++Anguirel

[Durelin]

I apologize for the confusion.

I would love it if you'd tell us why you think CoD is the Cobbler, though. I have yet to vote, and am not certain who to vote for yet.

Edit: Cross-posted with Di again.

[Nogrod]

I could vote for Rikae just from pure annoyance... That was not good gaming or taking part to this. Not by any standards. A reason or two, please.

Rune's posting has been irritating too, just nonsense and random. That doesn't help us at all. But I've been wrong about Rune quite a many times before...

Valier should pop in and say something or then the same would go with her too. And if Gurthang does not show up as he promised, I will dislike his performance too.

If Farael does not show up, I would say the same of him too.

Naria and Volo have flown under my radar the whole Day. I'm not totally comfortable with it, but can't see a case to be made either.

Towards CoD and Anguirel I might have points to back my vote. But they have played. That I think is important. As it is important to have a particular reason to vote for someone... A dilemma here.

EDit: X'd with a few...

[Rikae]

I thought his original "seerish" comment really wasn't satisfactorily explained by his excuse of being in character.

That sort of comment seems unwise for anyone (especially the seer), and might be designed to generate confusion. I admit, it isn't much, but there wasn't really anyone else attracting my suspicion. Well, Boro seems slightly odd, actually, but I can't put my finger on it yet. It isn't merely quietness; something about him seems wicked, tricksssy, falsssse, but I'll reserve judgement for now.

[Rikae]

Nogrod, I can't explain what I don't understand. I don't know what I've done to annoy you - I guess I'm just too much of a novice to produce "good gaming".

EDIT: I see, you're saying I annoyed you by not giving a reason. I thought you were asking me to give a reason why I was so annoying.

[Durelin]

I must vote, as I will be from my computer untimely ripped very soon...

Captain's Log, 4:24 EST, Nov. 9, 2006: The crew is in utter chaos, and I am forced to determine between who is popularly believed to be of blame. CoD and Anguirel. I asked for advice from a CoD accuser, but "one of the advantages of being a captain is being able to ask for advice without necessarily having to take it..."

++Anguirel, for reasons as stated before, and because lynching CoD makes no sense to me...even though he doesn't seem like he would be much of a loss at this point.

Note: All quotes are from here (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series).

[Valier]

I'm here! I'm here!!! I just got home, so I may not have much time to read over before I must vote.

[Diamond18]

EDIT: I see, you're saying I annoyed you by not giving a reason. I thought you were asking me to give a reason why I was so annoying.

I just choked on my hot chocolate laughing. Heh. I think that would be a bit aggressive even for Nogrod.

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, I can't explain what I don't understand. I don't know what I've done to annoy you - I guess I'm just too much of a novice to produce "good gaming".
I don't know what I've done to annoy you - I guess I'm just too much of a novice to produce "good gaming"Don't get me wrong Rikae. I was annoyed of your first post. You had not been around the whole Day and then just popped up with a vote to the one that had been suspected the most - without any reason of your own or lended. Well, now you have explained something about why you voted for CoD and I'm adjusting myself to it... :D

I mean if you vote, give us a reason (as you have now done afterwards). This has nothing to do with being a novice - which I must say I don't think you are as you have played well before, at least according to my lorebooks.

But I also agree with Di: I don't like the CoD bandwagon, personally.Me neither. Bandwagons are nice places to hide for the villains - at least if it's probable at the time of ones vote that the wagon will be a long one. That's one other reason why I thought badly about your "out of the blue sky vote"...

EDIT: X'd with a lot

[JennyHallu]

Day ends in 15 minutes!

Voting so far:

Lommy --> CoD (CoD1)
Gurthang --> Anguirel (CoD1, Ang1)
Rune --> Volo (CoD1, Ang1, Volo1)
Volo --> CoD (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1)
Anguirel --> Diamond (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1)
Boromir88 --> Farael (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1, Farael1)
CaptainofDespair --> Thinlomien (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Rikae --> CoD (CoD3, Ang1, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Diamond18 --> Anguirel (CoD3, Ang2, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Durelin --> Anguirel (CoD3, Ang3, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)

[Nogrod]

Lommy --> CoD (CoD1)
Gurthang --> Anguirel (CoD1, Ang1)
Rune --> Volo (CoD1, Ang1, Volo1)
Volo --> CoD (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1)
Anguirel --> Diamond (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1)
Boromir --> Farael (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1, Farael1)
CoD --> Lommy (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Rikae --> CoD (CoD3, Ang1, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Diamond --> Anguirel (CoD3, Ang2, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Durelin --> Anguirel (CoD3, Ang3, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)

Farael, Valier and myself to vote. 15 minutes... (and will Farael be here?)

I agree that the two top vote-getters are my first suspicions right now. But which one? This is so unnerving! I do not believe them both to be wolves.

EDIT: X'd with the moddess-goddess

[Rikae]

Bandwagons are nice places to hide for the villains - at least if it's probable at the time of ones vote that the wagon will be a long one. That's one other reason why I thought badly about your "out of the blue sky vote"...

EDIT: X'd with a lotMy grandmother used to say the same thing, and was told that spreading out the votes gives power to the wolves.
Also, I'd just like to point out your first post influenced my vote.

EDIT: X posted with Nogrod

[Nogrod]

Okay. I will go for the jackpot.

++ Anguirel

He threw suspicions around and made at least one 180. Not committing himself openly but still speaking a lot. Just what an intelligent wolf would like to do.

[Nogrod]

If not the wolf, we might get the cobbler toDay... at least I hope so.

[Valier]

Ahhhh!! :eek: Well there has not been very much time for me today to get a grasp...so much talk on day 1. I don't want to be the one to break the tie between CoD and Ang. I do think they seem a little off today, but then again I just had to scan all the day's posts quickly. I found Dia's vote to be strange...a retribution vote it seems, and she even made up a reason for it...well I have no more time, and I would hate to see an Ordo go.

++Diamond18

[Nogrod]

I don't want to be the one to break the tie between CoD and Ang. By not taking stance on it you actually take stance on it - whether you had seen my vote or not... you can't wash your hands at this time of the Day. :(

[Valier]

It would not be fair for me to vote to kill one of the two when I haven't been around all day. i don't want to be the one looked at tomorrow because I got someone killed and they may have been inoccent.

[Nogrod]

It would not be fair for me to vote to kill one of the two when I haven't been around all day. i don't want to be the one looked at tomorrow because I got someone killed and they may have been inoccent.Hadn't I voted before you did, you would have been looked as effectually killing CoD... :confused:

[JennyHallu]

The end of the day came all too soon for the club, and they counted up the day's votes with a definite sense of trepidation.

"It's Anguirel," announced CaptainofDespair, a sense of relief in his voice. "I'm sorry, old chap, but that's just how it goes some days."

The old man tried weakly to protest, but there was nothing he could do. The terrorized club members gathered around him, but quickly stalled. "How do we do it?," Volo asked.

Dia'l Na Mon reached confidently for one of Anguirel's spellbooks. "What are you going to do?" he asked.

She turned to the page she wanted and began a mystical chant. To her great surprise, nothing much seemed to happen.

Then Gurthang seemed to snap. He grabbed the spellbook from her hands with an animal cry. "I'll show you how to wield a good book!" he screeched, and struck the aged professor. Anguirel fell over and did not move again.

They watched, but his peaceful sleep was uninterrupted. Anguirel had been innocent.


Dead
JennyHallu - Club President - Bound and collated on Night 1
Folwren - Vice-President - Used for ink on Night 1
Anguirel - Innocent - Misspelled on Day 1

Living
Boromir88 - Fuller - all the NPCs
CaptainofDespair - Pompous Nobleman - Melneras, the Gnomish Archwizard
Diamond - librarian - Dia'l Na Mon the Half Elven Enchantress and Wielder of Azgalthro the Rapping Sword
Durelin - StarCaptain - William Shatner
Farael - Heavy-metal singer - sneak
Gurthang - Clergyman - Cowardly Knight
Naria - Rat Wrangler (Animal control? teehee...) - Kitty Watcha'mikolit the Pygmy Giant, player of the Flute of Doom.
Nogrod - Retired General - Ciryatan of the Dúnedain, a one-legged Athelas vendor
Rikae - schadenfreude-prone mortician - unstable aging halfling stage actor, Ilberic Took, wielding an ancient elvish shovel
Rune - temp - Joe the Beorning Bounty Hunter
Thinlomien - aging homeless sot - Lothwen the Pretty, elven flowermaid
Valier - Radical Hair Butcher - Elven Anoonnoon of Omicron Persieye 8
Volo - teleseller - Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul tha half-balrog, wielding a multitude of sharp pointy objects.

[JennyHallu]

Since the death of Jenny and Foley, Rikae had been busy digging graves.

"You never know if you'll have enough," she assured anyone who asked. "We'll all need one someday."

Late into the night she stayed there, working alone steadily. When voices approached, she was thrilled for the help of her three longtime companions. Before the end of the night, the center of the campground was filled with graves, one for each of the club members. "Thanks, guys," Rikae said, reaching a hand up for help out of the last grave. "Now all we have to do is get Jenny, Foley, and Anguirel buried."

"Oh, no," said the three on the ground, taking up their shovels as their bodies transformed. "We only intend to help with one burial tonight..."

~*~

The next morning the club members arose and counted their numbers with trepidation. Immediately the question arose: "Where is Rikae?"

"I think I know," said Nogrod, pointing to the center of the campground, now filled with neat rows of graves. At the end of the last row, a small mound of dirt marked one that had been filled.

Dead

JennyHallu - Club President - Bound and collated on Night 1
Folwren - Vice-President - Used for ink on Night 1
Anguirel - Innocent - Misspelled on Day 1
Rikae - Innocent - Buried alive on Night 2

Alive

Boromir88 - Fuller - all the NPCs
CaptainofDespair - Pompous Nobleman - Melneras, the Gnomish Archwizard
Diamond - librarian - Dia'l Na Mon the Half Elven Enchantress and Wielder of Azgalthro the Rapping Sword
Durelin - StarCaptain - William Shatner
Farael - Heavy-metal singer - sneak
Gurthang - Clergyman - Cowardly Knight
Naria - Rat Wrangler (Animal control? teehee...) - Kitty Watcha'mikolit the Pygmy Giant, player of the Flute of Doom.
Nogrod - Retired General - Ciryatan of the Dúnedain, a one-legged Athelas vendor
Rune - temp - Joe the Beorning Bounty Hunter
Thinlomien - aging homeless sot - Lothwen the Pretty, elven flowermaid
Valier - Radical Hair Butcher - Elven Anoonnoon of Omicron Persieye 8
Volo - teleseller - Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul tha half-balrog, wielding a multitude of sharp pointy objects.


Wolves, stop talking. Day 2 has begun.

[Thinlómien]

Yesterday late day and the kill of the night... I don't know what to think. I need to think more of this. Anyway, I'll make a few quick comments.

Too bad to see innocent Ang and innocent Rikae dead. They both are assets to the village when alive.

Why was Rikae killed? The only reason I can see for the wolves to kill her is to have no trails. And that won't probably help us in our wolf-hunt.

You have correctly noticed that I have not been my usual self...due to various factors such as lack of time, lack of sleep, and lack of substantial stuff to comment on. Honestly, everything I've said is everything I felt was worth commenting on...the rest seems rather typical Day 1 junkishness that has been more prevelant than I'm used to seeing.Understandable, that's what this is, but the tone of this made me really uneasy. The bolded passage (bolded by me) has a wolvishly apologetic air. I'm not making any heavy/serious conclusions from such a little mental image/thought, but it just caught my attention, and I wanted to point that out.

CoD's calmness speaks favourably on him thus far . . .I agree. For now he seems quite innocent to me.

Also, Valier's last few posts are worth a second look.

And as a sidenote, I will be around more toDay and yesterDay since I'm in Noggie's place and thus have a net access 24/7.

[Durelin]

Ugh... I at least thought we had a better shot at a wolf with Ang than with CoD, and I still feel that I was justified to think that...but I do feel rather...blah.

Maybe, just maybe Rikae was killed because of her suspicions...though she did not voice too many, too much about them, and didn't until late in the Day. At any rate, perhaps the wolves foresaw some sort of difficulty? Was she barking up the wrong tree? (Other possibility: I'm overthinking this a whole lot.)

Let's look at who Rikae mentioned suspicion of:

1. CoD, who she voted for. But we've been over him again and again, and unless his behavior changes a lot, I am ready to look at a lot of others before him for wolfishness. If anyone has noticed anything about him that we didn't discuss yesterDay, please bring it up.

2. Well, Boro seems slightly odd, actually, but I can't put my finger on it yet.

So, there are quite a few options:

1. CoD is a wolf.
2. The wolves were trying to frame CoD.
3. Boro is a wolf.
4. The wolves were trying to frame Boro.
5. Both are wolves.
6. The wolves were trying to frame both of them (or either we paid attention to).
7. I'm overthinking this (and using too much listing...that I know for sure).

Next we should have a look at the voting... I'll have to be back to do that a little later myself, though.

[Nogrod]

This is quite terrible. It's not the first time the villagers manage to get themselves into a situation where there are no good options - and whence the talk, even though there is lots of it, does pass the essential things and concentrates on wrong issues.

I admit being one of the people who started the discussion on CoD. At the situation where everyone seemed to duck away from any real discussion it seemed the only plausible thread to start looking at. Unfortunately there were little autonomous inpunts to present other cases during the Day, until the very end. So I'm not going to carry the blame of what happened alone.

I also admit being the one who sealed the death of Anguirel and you may believe me or not, but I actually thought of changing my vote for a second after I saw that Valier had voted for Di. But still, making myself the second question, I felt more secure with the innocence of CoD than with Ang as CoD had actually been forced to make his points and defend himself. And those two were the only reasonable choises at the last minutes (15 minutes before the Death-line, 3 - 3 -1,1,1,1 and basically just myself and Valier remaining to vote; Farael has passed the voting also earlier) - and they were the only ones there were some points that could be made.


So kudos for you were-villains! You have played nicely to distract and fool us so beautifully!

ToDay we must play better to counter that! And hopefully we can gather something from yesterDay as we now know a little bit of the truth too.


About Rikae. I'm tending to believe that she was killed because of the "no trail left behind" -reason. It sure is possible that her death had something to do with Boromir - either the wolves trying to frame Boro or Boro-wolf taking no chances to get rid of a possible Seer - but for now I'm more convinced with the first option. We'll see about that.

I'll make a quick scan of yesterDay before I go to sleep, if there is anything I can spot at the moment...

PS. Lommy goes a bit too far: she willl be here 24/3½... :D

[CaptainofDespair]

I feel quite saddened at the lynching of Ang, who was both a wizard-character, and an educated (and thus needed) member of our little community. The loss of Rikae is also distressing, and there appears to be little to no connections between her death and the wolves.

Having reflected on the events of the previous day, I will say that I am no closer to figuring out the puzzle. As Thinlomien has apparently dropped her suspicions of my venerable person, I see no reasons to continue suspecting her (though, if she were to act out in some way, then the case will be otherwise). I am still a bit suspicious of Farael, but I do not have much to go on with him besides his relative silence. Durelin, I am suspicious of, for her contradictory statements and for I am not that suspicious of Naria anymore, since she has not posted much. Though, I would not recommend leaving her to lurk in the shadows, either.

Now, I will put forth one idea on the death of Rikae. While I am certainly more interested in self-preservation, the duty of any patriotic nobleman is to defend his people from threats of outsiders (else he may meet the blades of those people he was to protect). And this theory may not turn out well for me. One connection (which is similar to what Durelin noted) I have seen is that Rikae accused me of being the wicked cobbler. Now, perhaps the wolves were convinced of this, or were just being cautious, and decided to kill our former mortician. They could also be using that as a way to get me lynched. Either way, striking Rikae down seemed very beneficial to them in a few ways.

My one current suspect in this is that of Durelin in this matter. As I noted above, her somewhat (unless I am misunderstanding her statements) contradictory ideas are interesting me. She accused me of wolf-dom, but says there are others she would rather look at before me (only including Boromir as her other option). That is a bit peculiar, but I will certainly not use that as a request to lynch her.

However, she seems to not gain anything from Rikae's death (at least that I see).

[Nogrod]

I am still a bit suspicious of Farael, but I do not have much to go on with him besides his relative silence.
........
I am not that suspicious of Naria anymore, since she has not posted much This I think is our main problem now. Too many of us are flying under the radar. When most of the villagers hide to save their own necks the wolves have great hide-outs among them as there are too many candidates...

Of whom I seem to have no read-out whatsoever:
Farael
Gurthang
Volo
Rune
Naria

Not saying that all the others have been too straightforward...

If the wolves wish to hide, please all you commoners among the list above or not in it, stand up and speak out so we can lynch the wolves trying to stay in the shadows alone. And if by this the wolves come out in the open too, we may get them from their slips or bad arguments.

Staying nonsense or silent doesn't help us now. It may help one individual for a short period but in the end it will spell disaster for all of us.

So speak up!

Remember, if we just say "dang-dang fun-fun" or hide away from discussion, we villagers are faced with the painful situation of needing to guess in darkness as there is nothing to go on. But if we all speak openly the hard task is thrown over to the wolves as they will have to immerse themselves into the deepening staircase of lies that will present them with insurmountable contradictions as the game goes on.

This is no accusation of anything that was not done yesterDay, but a wake-up call.

You know, in the army we wake up early and hate enemies who hide in the shadows.

[Boromir88]

Thinlomien, I think at times you look too deeply into stuff, this would be another instance. I acknowledged I wasn't my usual self yesterday, because in truth I wasn't. I'm hoping that will change, but I'm a very busy man recently, and must be going soon again...so only have time for a few remarks. Though later on today looks better for me to do what I do.

However, she seems to not gain anything from Rikae's death (at least that I see).~CoD
I think the wolves would have something to gain by killing Rikae...meaning that I agree with Nogrod in that they wanted to kill someone that didn't contribute a lot yesterday to confuse us.

Durelin the one that's raising the biggest eyebrows for me. I'm not used to see this talkative Durelin that is seemingly coming out here in the wee hours of the morning to try to sway the village in the direction the wolves want it to go in. Something just doesn't seem right, here. I was wary of the interaction with Durelin and Farael yesterday, and Durelin has only heigtened my suspicion of that. It seems like Durelin is trying to get his little paws here to sway the emphasis on Rikae's posts...and therefor lynch those she suspected. When I think they killed Rikae to confuse us.

The more I think about it the more this makes sense. I find no particular reason to suspect CoD, and I really didn't get what the big fuss over Anguirel was about. This would make the Rikae kill work in their benefit to give us no direction on where to look...yet the wolves may have come out here trying to make it look like Rikae was on to something...and send us all in the wrong direction.

[Durelin]

My goodness! CoD and Boro both on me. I suggest you two read my post again...I was simply laying out all the options. Swaying? Accusations? We'll get to the accusations, but not just yet. It's still early in the Day. :D

Both of you are coming across as a bit too defensive in my opinion. No one has really accused you two of anything yet, so save the defense until someone does.

Edit: Oh, I almost forgot...Boro: Durelin = she, even if you think she is a wolf. ;)

[Farael]

Well, I sort of wanted to check in... I've read all that has been said so far and I've come to a conclussion.

This time around there will be no Banshee-style Farael attacks. I can't get a feeling for any of you, much less build up a weak case that will turn out to be true.

Some random thoughts.

Why is Boromir so adamant about him not being himself yesterday? it feels like he was given an excuse and now he's clinging to it for dear life.

Is Durelin trying to confuse us?

Rikae's death makes CoD look like an unlikely wolf, but then, wasn't he suspected as a cobbler anyway?

But here's my main bone
So, there are quite a few options:

1. CoD is a wolf.
2. The wolves were trying to frame CoD.
3. Boro is a wolf.
4. The wolves were trying to frame Boro.
5. Both are wolves.
6. The wolves were trying to frame both of them (or either we paid attention to).
7. I'm overthinking this (and using too much listing...that I know for sure).

That's a lot of words to say well.... nothing. She has basically outlined all possible options, plus a disclaimer (number seven).

Now, I am known for being too careless, but Durelin is being too careful.

And yet...
Both of you are coming across as a bit too defensive in my opinion. No one has really accused you two of anything yet, so save the defense until someone does.
She does have a point.

EDIT: Improper grammar

[Durelin]

It was (and still is fairly) early in the Day, only one other person (Lommy)had posted...should I already have been set on someone as being a likely wolf? I wanted to get some sort of discussion going...and I see I have succeeded, though not exactly in the way that I intended. ;)

That listing was as much to organize my thoughts as most anything else...and I actually wanted to maybe help others get some ideas.

Your reactions, Farael, as well as the others, are interesting.

I also realized how odd it is that Boro points out my "banter" with you as suspicious, and yet he had a bit of banter going there himself, with his "red shirts" and "keeping an eye on me." It was harmless character stuff, obviously, and my response to his "banter" was meant to be that, too. I don't know, it just seems a little contradictory (but then apparently I've been contradictory, too - would you like to point out how I have been, CoD).

It's perhaps even more interesting that you are so ready to try and distance yourself from me after Boro brought up, yet again, the "banter" that supposedly occurred between us. Then again, obviously there is plenty of reason to be suspicious of me.

But I think your reasoning behind your suspicions of me, CoD, Farael, and Boro, is really good, even though I am surprised that you went after my post like that.

Argh, I hate getting caught up in these things, and I hate defending myself. It makes me focus on myself and the louder ones, while I think the quieter ones need some more notice right now. I agree with Nogrod that those of you who are silent innocents need to speak up... I feel at such a loss right now.

A quick look at yesterday's voting:

Lommy --> CoD (CoD1)
Gurthang --> Anguirel (CoD1, Ang1)
Rune --> Volo (CoD1, Ang1, Volo1)
Volo --> CoD (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1)
Anguirel --> Diamond (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1)
Boromir --> Farael (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1, Farael1)
CoD --> Lommy (CoD2, Ang1, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Rikae --> CoD (CoD3, Ang1, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Diamond --> Anguirel (CoD3, Ang2, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Durelin --> Anguirel (CoD3, Ang3, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Nogrod --> Anguirel (CoD3, Ang4, Volo1, Di1, Farael1, Lommy1)
Valier --> Diamond (CoD3, Ang4, Volo1, Di2, Farael1, Lommy1)

Whoa...Naria didn't vote yesterday. And to think we were just waiting for Farael!

I really need to take a look at her posts...

If we go with Boro's suggestion banter or "playfulness" occurs between wolves, or maybe they employ it to lighten people's views of them, which I find an interesting suggestion...well, I'd say Naria fits that rather well, if you look at her playfulness with...who but Farael (again). Rune continues this a little bit. And Naria's next post contributes nothing, as she only remarks that she thinks "there would have been a bit more chit chat since my last post."

In her next post she does contribute, to start everyone off on the CoD campaign. She had some interesting points, and perhaps she was just testing the waters...but it certainly got us all focused on the arrogant nobleman (which he seemed to almost enjoy).

Then we heard no more from her...I don't like how that feels, though she might have a perfectly innocent reason for not being here.

Ugh, I have a feeling this post is way too long...I'm going to stop there with the brainstorming. I hope we hear from some of the quieter ones (like the ones that I just can't even find much to talk about: Gurthang, Rune, Volo, Valier...agh, four of them! Not good.), and right now, I especially want to hear from Naria again.

[Diamond18]

Well, Ang being innocent is rather disheartening. I was so sure. I thought he was behaving much like his penguin alter ego had. *sigh* Back to the drawing board.

...a retribution vote it seems, and she even made up a reason for it...

"Made up"? The fact that I had a reason for my vote makes me more suspicious than if I had zero reasoning? And how exactly do you come to the conclusion that I fabricated my reasoning and did not genuinely find him suspicious? Explain, please.


It's interesting to me that Rikae died.... Strange it hasn't been mentioned but this seems to paint Nogrod in a suspicious light. Noggie has, if I'm not mistaken, often expressed a desire not to kill off the more active players no matter which side he's on. Rikae showed up very late yesterDay and annoyed Nogrod with the apparent lack of reasoning behind her vote. If he were a wolf, I would not expect a vocal, active player to go down at Night -- at least, not on the first night, unless there was some reason to really suspect them of being a seer. Rikae, however, falls right under the kind of player Nogrod would like to kill.

Now, I'm saying this partly also because Nogrod's posting today worries me. He makes a great to-do about wake up calls and ceasing nonsense posting. Well, hello! It's Day 2. How many people continue to post in character on Day 2? Plus, it's early in the Day toDay. Why panic that a certain number of people are yet to post toDay? There are 24 hours in the Day, I see no reason why we should make a big deal out of the fact that not every shows up in the first couple of hours. So why is the wake up call even necessary? What does it apply to? In essence, what does it accomplish? Nogrod is doing exactly what he's calling on others not to do... saying much while saying little that actually applies.

Now, to look at the other side of the coin, this has been Nogrod's pet issue for as long as I've been playing Werewolf with him, so I suppose it's par for the course. But I don't think I recall him making such a fuss about it so early on in a Day 2 situation, before. It's a little strange to me when someone ratchets up their usual behavior a notch, in effect saying, "Look how much like my usual self I am being!"

[Gurthang]

Hmm... not good. I feel personally responsible for Ang's death. I wanted to return and switch that vote, which I actually meant as a joke, but I... never made it back. And it turned into a bandwagon. I'm not sure what you all were thinking... all I can say is I really wasn't.

"Yes, save your neck... blame others!"

No, I mean... I do feel like it was mostly my fault. The funeral will be at 4:00.

"The Good Book says, 'Let the dead bury their own dead.' Flee while you can!"

Anyway, for something constructive. I'd be looking at that third vote for Ang for a wolf. Fairly early, yet allows the bandwagon to pick up steam. That would be... Durelin. Also, it is extremely important to remember that, although it's an obvious move, if CaptainofDespair turns out to be a wolf, then Durelin or Nogrod could very well be wolves.

Well, since I have a retract, and don't know what the day will hold, I'm gonna go ahead and vote.

"And then go hide!"

Durelin caught my eye twice, so I'll put her name there for now.

++Durelin

See you later.

"Or not!"

[Boromir88]

Why is Boromir so adamant about him not being himself yesterday? it feels like he was given an excuse and now he's clinging to it for dear life.~Farael
I really have no clue what you're talking about 'getting an excuse.' Durelin commented that I wasn't my usual posting self, and I explained why. I hope in further days I can have more time. But, right now it's hard for me. I would like my old analyzing self back, but in this game, I don't know if that's going to be possible. I will do whatever I can to help, but you're probably not going to see those big long posts from me you're used to seeing.


Edit: Oh, I almost forgot...Boro: Durelin = she, even if you think she is a wolf~Durelin
Sorry about that...so are you saying I'm right then?

Diamond seems innocent...eventhough I think she's looking in the wrong direction (meaning her reasoning against Nogrod seems rather flawed). The helpful aura about her sounds genuine. So either she's as a I think, or she's a clever sweet-talker that has me fooled (therefor she is a wolf pulling the wool over my eyes). Right now I'm inclined to believe the former and most likely won't vote for her today.

Same goes to Nogrod, I don't know if it's scary that I find myself actually agreeing with him or not. But for now, he looks more sensical and rational than anyone else here.

I'm going to look at the CoD/Anguirel voters (whom are Lommy,
Gurthang, Volo, Diamond, Durelin, Nogrod). There is a high probability a wolf is in there, especially with how the voting turned out yesterday with a bandwagon to get Ang lynched (as I'm still lost as to the reasoning behind that). For now, however, I must go.

[Gurthang]

That's strange: all's quiet. Not that I've been overly talkitive, but there's only one post in the past few hours.

Anywho, I did just notice this.

I feel quite saddened at the lynching of Ang, who was both a wizard-character, and an educated (and thus needed) member of our little community. The loss of Rikae is also distressing, and there appears to be little to no connections between her death and the wolves.
I'll first point out that that's wrong. There is some connection between her death and the wolves. They have some reason to kill her: maybe it leaves no trail, maybe it leaves a trail to an innocent, maybe she was right and it's a bluff. The point is you can't say there is no reason/connection. It makes it sound like you want to focus away from her death, which I might point out is the only thing that we currently know for sure that the wolves have done. :p

"Sounds like my kind of wolf. No direct assault; just mildly steer them somewhere else. Subtlety is the way to go."

If I ever get a chance, I'll look into CaptainofDespair. Maybe my theory about CoD and either Durelin or Nogrod isn't so far off. But it's a bit early to tell that yet.

[Thinlómien]

I seem to be the only one who doesn't find Durelin particularly suspicious. (Not that she seems innocentish either.) But I don't see anything wrong with her list of possible Rikae-killing scenarios. She just lists all the possibilities. What I would anyway have liked to find in her post is her own personal opinion of which option she thinks is correct. The lack of that is the only reason for me to be a little wary of her based on that post.


As Thinlomien has apparently dropped her suspicions of my venerable person, I see no reasons to continue suspecting her (though, if she were to act out in some way, then the case will be otherwise).Now what is the logic here?! Sorry, but I don't get your point. If I suspect you, I'm suspicious, if not I'm not so suspicious? Retaliatory (sp?) is a lame word for that logic. Care to elaborate?

I am not that suspicious of Naria anymore, since she has not posted much. Hmm...? How does one's silence make her (or him) less suspicious?

Yesterday, I did not understand CoD's sense of humour. Today, I don't understand his logic... ;)


Thinlomien, I think at times you look too deeply into stuff . . .I might.

I can't help feeling that Gurth's bandwagoning (yes, I know that was the first vote of the day). I know that it's no wonder that many people are suspicious of the same person, but this just raises eyebrows a bit. Maybe it's just a feeling.

Diamond, I think your logic about Noggie killing Rikae is a bit flawed. If he wanted to kill a silent one, why Rikae, the one he had remarked about the day before? Why not Farael, Gurthang, Volo, Rune or Naria who he lists today as "no read-out" (I got the feeling he'd want these people to contribute/speak more) and has no visible connection with?


PS. Lommy goes a bit too far: she willl be here 24/3½... Note to self: always think before you write... :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

About Gurthang: I got my "bad feeling" pinned: it's that he always votes early when the vote is safe and then says "I might be back" or as today, comes back. I don't like this kind of behaviour at all. It gives him a "reason" to slip away from the discussion whenever he wants since he's already voted.

And Gurth... For further referrings to Ang: he's a he. :)

[Nogrod]

Here's how Anguirel got lynched:

Well, for lack of a better reason:

Since he seems more worried about the wolves poetic abilities than finding out who they are. (And for old times sake.

Ang comes across to me as someone who has 'gotten his hands dirty' enough by being definitely present and pointing out different things, but never really getting down into meaty accusations. This could be said of more than just Ang (probably can be said of myself), but I have more of a bad feeling toward Ang.
if I had to vote now, it would more likely be for Ang...he has just the right amount of debonair, but a good dose of cautiousness as well, I think.

At the moment the only person who leaps out at me it Anguirel. He seems to be flinging half-hearted suspicion everywhere. First, being quick to agree with Lommy that CoD seems "funny," then declaring Durelin the most suspicious, then saying Lommy's early vote seems wolfishly safe, then saying he finds Durelin and Gurthang the most suspicious but is going to vote Diamond because... um... why? I'm not clear on that. I hate it when someone voices suspicions and then does a 180 and votes for a person they've hardly mentioned, and who is not in danger of being lynched. Nice way to spread dirt and raise suspicions without it showing in the vote count.

I think both Durelin and Di have a point here: Ang should be looked at more closely. His performance toDay could be interpreted as a very wolvish one. Funny though: Durelin and Di are the exact first persons he suspected...

I began to suspect him when he made his response to Lommy's suspicion of CoD, and no post he has made since has done anything to soothe my concerns. He could have voted for anyone in the same way he voted for me (not suspecting as much as others but voting for some vaguely stated reason) and it would have set off the same alarams.
Right now no one else is giving me the same bad vibes.

I don't like the CoD bandwagon, personally. I see little in his behavior that I find wolfish or cobbleresque. I suppose I should carefully reread his posts to see what others are seeing, but really, I already smell something fishy and what I'm catching is a whiif of:

for reasons as stated before, and because lynching CoD makes no sense to me...even though he doesn't seem like he would be much of a loss at this point.

He threw suspicions around and made at least one 180. Not committing himself openly but still speaking a lot. Just what an intelligent wolf would like to do.

If not the wolf, we might get the cobbler toDay...

To add to these.

Gurthang voted very early kind of promising to come back and making his vote a humorous one.

Diamond cast her vote 45 minutes before the deadline, in a situation where CoD had 3 votes and a couple of others 1 each (including Anguirel).

Durelin voted half an hour before the deadline tying CoD and Ang on three votes (others were still on one or zero votes).

Nogrod voted five minutes before the deadline effectually making the kill in a situation he could only be sure of one other voter being online (Valier) and believing more in the innocence of CoD than Ang..

So Ang basically gathered his votes in the last hour and they were consecutive votes with no other voting going on between them...

Lommy noted about Gurth's voting behaviour. I would also like to note that there were many people online and posting during the last hour (Rikae, Di, Durelin) but most of them casted their votes early and then just hanged around. Also at least CoD and Boro were around an hour before the deadline. It surely is possible they had to go away (RL) and were not able to follow the last moments... :(

What I mean is that also these actions / omissions should probably be counted too. A villager wishes to do her/his best to help with the good choises and to avoid bad ones. A wolf may just sit back and relax if the voting is going nicely (they know whether it is going good or bad to them unlike we).

[Gurthang]

And Gurth... For further referrings to Ang: he's a he. :)
Well, uhm... I know that actually. Did I really...? Sorry if I made the mistake, but I think the her I was referring to was Rikae. Who is a she, correct?

I feel like I should have something to say here, but I'm drawing a blank. I'll be back later to see if anything significant has occured.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry I am first apearing now. . . I thought I would be home earlier.

Ang is dead, I did not see that comming, well he is a wizard, he will probably return more powerful than ever. . .
Actually I am kind of suprise about the choise made by this lynch, Ang just does not seem like day1 lynch material.

I hope I will have time to make a thorough read of all events later, but I am rather busy and so far I have only skimmed this Day.

I don't like when people are very quiet and sometimes I vote for them for that reason alone. But I need to say that I am only going to speak up if I have something to say, if I don't I will stick to small post.

I am going to speak up, but not on command. If I have no foundation for suspicion what good would a theory of mine be then?

anyways I will be chekking in once in a while for the next few hours and hopefully I will have time to look everything through,

[Valier]

I've finally able to tear myself away from my hair butchering(RL) :rolleyes: It is now a long weekend and I shall have more time to spend here. Not much has been said today, but I will put together my thoughts as best I can.

I'll start with Gurthang, who makes sense in his theory about CoD, but I agree with Lommy About Gurthang: I got my "bad feeling" pinned: it's that he always votes early when the vote is safe and then says "I might be back" or as today, comes back. I don't like this kind of behaviour at all. It gives him a "reason" to slip away from the discussion whenever he wants since he's already voted. This does seem odd and could give a Gurthangwolf time to sit around and watch us squirm, I find him to be higher on my suspect list.

CoD...well I just don't trust this guy, he seems almost...cocky maybe. His reasons for trusting people seem lame. He trusts Lommy now, as long as she doesn't suspect him and he trusts Naria because she is quiet. He is more interested in self-preservation which screams Cobbler to me. An innocent villager should be willing to die for the village if need be. I can't quite put my finger on it yet, but he makes me wary.

Diamond "Made up"? The fact that I had a reason for my vote makes me more suspicious than if I had zero reasoning? And how exactly do you come to the conclusion that I fabricated my reasoning and did not genuinely find him suspicious? Explain, please. Ok well I got home about a half hour before the deadline and I had little time to go over everything from that day. Your vote for Ang just seemed to be a retribution vote, he votes for you, you vote for him, safe. but really, I already smell something fishy and what I'm catching is a whiif of: I think this is what caught my eye and well it just seemed a little harsh. I did not want to vote for either of the two lynchees because I just didn't have the time to find either one overly suspisious yesterday. My vote was mostly random, I just voted for who I found stood out to me the most, just as I am not sure that is just what you did with Ang.

Nogrod seems to be "acting" like his usual self, telling others to talk more like he usually does, but this raises an eyebrow, because this could work good for him if he is a wolf. I agree with Diamond about Nogrod. And I found it odd that he was willing to kill people on the first day, because they were quiet. He just seems a little less patient then normal, which worries me.

Thinlomien, I find hard to judge. I usually tend to agree with alot she says, not that that makes her innocent,I know but I tend to think her innocent for the moment.

Durelin at the moment does not stand out to me as terribly suspisious, so I will try to keep my eyes open when I am reading her posts. I am just unsure about her yet.

Volo....well Volo is gone for the weekend. Is this any reason not to suspect him though? This could be just really good timing for a baddie.

Boromir has been a talkative player but I think that is normal from him. I have noticed one thing in the past...Boro likes to compliment people on certain things when he is a wolf...nothing yet that catchs my eye...so far anyways.

Farael, Rune and Naria....I just have no clue...I would like to hear more from them today, if possible...and it's strange that Naria or Farael didn't vote yesterday. Rune has just been too quiet for me to make a judgement yet.

So my lists go
CoD
Gurthang
Volo
Nogrodas possible baddies
with Farael, Naria and Rune bringing up the rear of my suspisions.

Lommy
Boro
Diamond
I am not overly suspisious of yet

and Durelin, I am on the fence about.

[Boromir88]

The CoD/Ang voters were:

Lommy
Gurthang
Volo
Diamond
Durelin
Nogrod

I have a good feeling about Diamond and Nogrod as far as today goes so I don't think there wolves.

I agree with Ang in that if Lommy was a wolf she made a very safe wolve vote. However, the vast majority of the time a wolf doesn't vote first, they like to wait around and see what the village is thinking a bit before they choose. Also, what Lommy's said today makes her look innocent to me. Her reasoning against Gurthang is something I've been considering recently (which I'll get to in a moment).

Volo just scares me because of his inactivity and his few confusing posts with some type of foreign language (German?). He could be the cobbler, but I don't have enough to go off of, besides the fact that he was confusing, and still is baffling me.

Leaving Gurthang and Durelin. Now while the first vote of the game typically isn't a wolf, other early votes could be, and personally I think Gurthang's vote is a safer one for a wolf to make than Lommy's vote. At the time Gurthang voted for Ang, I don't think his death was certain (and voting for Ang on Day 1 would be safe for a wolf, as one may not anticipate Ang to be a Day 1 lynch). In fact, it doesn't seem to like Ang's was a lynch candidate until Durelin and Diamond thought he was acting strange. Also, with what Lommy brought up about Gurthang today, he seems to be following along with the Durelin crew here. Which would be another safe place for a wolf.

Of those that voted for Ang, Gurthang and Durelin look the most suspicious. Gurthang's was a safe vote for a wolf, early on, not anticipating Ang to get lynched and just throwing out some reasoning behind it. Durelin got the vote tied...which I find more wolfish than breaking the vote (as Nogrod did). Breaking the tie is a tough position for a wolf or an innocent, and right now Nogrod doesn't seem to be a wolf. Tying the vote between two though, and forcing someone else to make a tough decision is a much more suspicious move.

So, my vote shall have to be coming soon for either Durelin or Gurthang.

Edit: X-posted with Valier

[Boromir88]

Durelin has been worrying me since the very start. She's been very active, involved, and more talkative than I'm used to. So, if she's a wolf, she's been a bold wolf.

Gurthang worries me more for his extreme caution and safety. His votes have been safe, and recently tagged along to the Durelin wagon. His careful play worriesme more, so:

++Gurthang

[CaptainofDespair]

Hmm...

Well, it seems I will not escape the label of cobbler. I at least hope I can be a cherry or peach cobbler.

Valier, if my reasons for 'trusting' people seem lame, it is because I refuse to actually trust anyone. There may be some who have not warranted having any suspicions being heaped on them, but to go so far as to trust them is a mistake to me.

~*~

My prior suspicions still stand, as of right now. However, I am coming to agree somewhat with others on the matter of Gurthang. Of these, Boromir's ideas ring a little more 'probable' to me. As of this moment, I am leaning towards a Gurthang vote.

Edit: I appear to have missed a few questions from Thinlomien. I apologize.

Thinlomien, My logic on the matter of dropping my suspicions of you is not very elaborate. Simply put, my suspicions of you arose out of your vote for me. Since you seem to believe (or did) that I am "quite innocent", thus reversing your prior view, I see no reason to continue suspecting you. Perhaps we were both mistaken, perhaps not. For now, I will go with not.

As for my views on Naria (as well as Farael), there is simply not enough information to infer from. Thus, any decisions on suspiciousness are derived only out of my feelings on the matter.

I do hope that answers your questions.

[Nogrod]

I will hopefully have more time to delve into this later, but just for now a few comments.

Naria, Rune and Volo do worry me because of their minimal attendance.

I know Volo is away for the weekend and that's just bad. I wouldn't vote for him though because I think one should have a chance to defend himself anyhow.

I can also appreciate Rune's comment that he just has nothing to say, but c'mon man, you have some hunches, some feelings, something that is based on what you have read here. Be open with it and don't hide!

Naria... where are you? If it's RL, then okay, but tell us that then. Otherwise I'm getting even more worried.

I might agree with Valier's list of Lommy, Boro and Di as ones I'm not too suspicious about. And somehow I might add Valier herself to the list now due to her posting toDay.

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Gurthang plays in a way that could be reason enough to vote for him. I feel like I should have something to say here, but I'm drawing a blank. I'll be back later to see if anything significant has occured.Yes. If we all just waited for something significant to occur, nothing significant would not ever occur. Very bad gaming for us villagers and very pleasing to the wolves indeed. Encouraging silence is the way the wolves get the upper hand. C'mon, say something and don't wait for the others to do the job for you!

(Valier: the level of how intense I'm with getting the under-radar types to the surface depends on how dire a problem they seem to pose for the village. Unfortunately in this village they seem to form just a too big group.)

Durelin I don't know. During times she seems very helpful and reasonable, sometimes her ways really look different to any member of her family I have met: vocal, almost flooding etc. Many times getting a role of the wolf makes semi-lazy player the most active one... but it might also be that she just has more time now.

CoD I'm also a bit confused about. YersterDay he started to feel like a very innocent person but as someone already noted here, his reasons for trusting people depending on their suspicions over him etc. do look quite odd. Confusing...

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Still in this situation - if nothing better comes forwards during the evening here - I would most likely vote off someone who doesn't play. If we have a reason to suspect someone is a wolf or a cobbler, let's do away with her/him, but if we just have to rely on second guesses, let's then rid us of the dead-load that helps us in no way.

Some of you now say: how very convenient for myself to set this kind of standards. It is, but that is not the reason I'm trying to push forward with them. In a village where no one contributes every vote will be random - and in random situations wolves are always having the upper hand as long as there are more innocents than wolves. And topping that: in that kind of situation those who try to make a difference and defend the village by trying to actually find out the villains are first to be lynched as they are the only ones any of us can say anything about and thence to have a reason to suspect them.

Just look at the yesterDay evening. CoD and Ang were the ones the last voters had to decide between. They both had been active and that was the thanks we gave them! And all the villains were just sitting down and relaxing in the background...

Let's not give them that chance anymore. They will hunker down as long as that feels to be a safe way to be. If it is the general feeling that those who hide will die, I'd make a prophecy: one or two of them would fast start contributing... :rolleyes:

[Gurthang]

Well, if I might explain my vote a tad: Being a pastor, I have things to do, people to see. Busy, busy, you know. And, keeping in mind that we have one retraction of a vote (we still have that correct; if not, I'm unaware), I figure it's best to at least vote, lest I become sidetracked.

"Or forget to come out of hiding!"

Anyway, I'm being cramped by that business again. Back later.

[Diamond18]

Well, I'm around, but I'm having trouble coming up with anything of pertinence to contribute. My suspicion of Nogrod has waned a bit, though I wouldn't be surprised if my initial suspicion turned out true. However, I'm not so sure I want to vote for him. He pretty much ignored my accusations, which seems likely not a wolfish-Nogrod tactic, and more like an innocet Nogrod being too busy trying to catch wolves to defend himself (after Boro already claime to find my reasoning flawed, i.e. it wasn't catching on).

Anyway, that's where my mind is about Nogrod at the moment. It's been a somewhat quiet day so I'm not really getting a read on others. I don't find Durelin or Gurthang particularly suspicious. Boro seems more certain of my innocence than I would expect, but this isn't really anything to indicate his role. This is bothersome. I don't have to vote yet, though, so I'll think things over a bit more.

[Durelin]

Gurthang, you frustrate me. You jump in with a vote...and that's about it. On Day One, that may have worked, but...we've got a little more to look at right now. I hate doing the "suspecting who suspects you" bit, but I must say that the fact that you jump in with no new ideas and simply vote for who has been the talk of the hour seems a bit too...easy. I think Boro's points about you are good ones. What stops me here is my suspicion of Boro, which has not been settled.

The problem is, I think Gurthang's behavior has actually been a little too careless. Boro describes him as 'careful,' but I disagree. If he was really being careful, he would be doing more than just arriving with a vote, and then saying in a post after his vote that if he has the time, he'll look into someone else. I think a wolf would have thought about that a little more.

People who are bothering me more are Naria and Volo. Yes, I'm back to the quiet ones. I hope I can hear from them more before I make any real judgments (such as ones that might involve actually voting for one of them), but...well, I'm going to make some simple judgments now: both of them have been incredibly careful when they have posted. Light in-character banter without any actual accusations, and only fairly brief and concise, thoughtful pieces after that. Those sort of things I've seen in wolves before...an innocent I find more likely to post more boldly and with less of a one track purpose....innocents jump around in their posts quite a bit, because they don't know who is who. Wolves have a much better idea.

I find this incredibly interesting, though...


Volo just scares me because of his inactivity and his few confusing posts with some type of foreign language (German?). He could be the cobbler, but I don't have enough to go off of, besides the fact that he was confusing, and still is baffling me.

I agree with him, and yet I find it odd that he left out Naria. Though I suppose that might be because her posts have not been so 'confusing.' Anyway, I obviously have a problem when people remain so out of any attention whatsoever, and I think Naria has been doing this incredibly well, except for Nogrod's expected attention to her.

I'll probably vote for either Naria or Gurthang, depending on how the rest of the Day goes. I will wait as long as I can to vote, as I want to hear from Naria, and hopefully Gurthang more, if he does come back.

Edit: Cross-posted with Di, and for clarity.

[Naria]

Sorry for the absence. I have come down with the flu and way to dizzy to sit here and read everything through. I will cast my vote today and it goes to

++CoD

[Diamond18]

I have to vote, and as there hasn't been much going on.... uhhh....

++Naria

I know she has the flu, but, well, I have to go.

[Thinlómien]

NOTE: I'm staying overnight in my friend's house with a few another friends and my friends are disapproving me wwing all the night. As this seemed to be the ebst phase for me to get online, I got a permission to use the computer. Anyway, I can't be around for a long time.

Those who seem innocent to me:
Noggie - is his usual self, speaks sense, has an innocent air
Valier - her long post today was very innocentish and she's reasonable too

not sure
Durelin - some suspicious things, but mostly normal behaviour
Naria - I can't say anything before I hear more of her
Volo - weird enough (though I guess that's normal), could be good or bad
Farael - seems more calm and rational than the other times I've played with him, but I can't conclude anything of this since the two times I've played with him he was first lover and the ordo. I need more material from him to judge him in a way or another.
Diamond - I'm finding it difficult to form a picture of her
Rune - seems like his usual self, but there's not yet enough contribution from him to be more certain

slightly suspicious
Boro - I admit it, this is mostly a feeling and I can put my finger on it, but it is because of his style, maybe he's a bit too paceful... or apologetic... But: even though he's in this category I doubt I will vote him; I dislike voting based solely on "feelings" or impressions. Feelings and impressions are good reasons for a suspicion, but in my opinion they're not enough to make you vote someone.
CoD - his logic seems flawed, maybe wolvishly flawed. Not only ordos can leave seer-hints accidentally, wolves can too (or the they do it for a reason...).
Gurth - see what I've said of him before

I must vote soon and I don't have any clear suspicions right now... It's back to rereading.

EDIT: xed with Di

[Thinlómien]

Well, uhm... I know that actually. Did I really...? Sorry if I made the mistake, but I think the her I was referring to was Rikae. Who is a she, correct?Rereading it, I think it was my mistake and you were speaking of Rikae, who is a she.

If we all just waited for something significant to occur, nothing significant would not ever occur. Well said!

++Gurthang

If we don't get rid of a wolf, we'll get rid of a person who has an annoying voting "style"... :rolleyes: (No offense meant, Gurth. :))

I will certainly keep my eye on CoD too, but right now I suspect Gurth a bit more.

Good N/night!

[Nogrod]

Naria states a RL reason and somehow that's it. We must be able to trust that kind of announcements even though we might feel very bad about them... I would be quite ready to vote for Volo or Naria toDay, but seemingly I can't. I just hope neither of them is a wolf as then I might say that their possible victory was gained in an unsportsmanlike fashion.

But that makes concentrating toDay a bit easier.

As I said, I don't see myself voting for Boro, Lommy, Di or Valier toDay.

I'm not happy with that, but one has to draw some lines somewhere. Both Boro and Lommy seem to have been supporting myself somewhat and that feels nice but also sends some alarm-bells ringing (I remember one of my grandfathers who was a baddie fooling Boro just the same way; being friendly and openly trusting). But still they seem to be reasonable and quite vocal. Both are good things for the game as a vocal wolf has a zillion times more possibilities to slip than a quiet one - and they make the game more entertaining... Di I could see softly turning the village to her favourite direction (including myself yesterDay) and Valier could be just the Wormtongue we accused Ang yesterDay.

Still, without further evidence or ideas I will not concentrate on them either, at least toDay.

So what does this exclusion leave me with?
CaptainofDespair
Durelin
Farael
Gurthang
Rune

I'm not sure if we have more than one wolf in here, but I definitively believe there is at least one.

I'll try to see if there is anything to justify a vote in there.

EDIT: X'd with Di & Lommy

[Valier]

I too have the same list you do Nogrod and with the little talk right now I am finding it hard to pick who I should vote for. If anyone else is around I would love to hear what they have thought of. So many of the votes are noncommital today. :(

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hunches is requested, well I will deliver then. . .

CoD is innocent, just because. . .

Gurthang is innocent because it would be silly of a wolf to make a silly vote and not change it.

Volo i am uneasy about. . .I will let him be today though (because he is not pressent)

Naria is a wolf and need to be delt with (meaning I suspect her)

Valier , Lommy , Borro and Nogrod I am not sure what to make of.

I am leaning towards innocens when thinking about Di and Durelin, they simply comes off as speaking the truth.

So Naria is the one making me the most uneasy. . .I did not have time to read through (thorough) what was said today and for that I appologise. I should be able to take a better look tomorrow.

++Naria
Edit: Cross posted with Nogrod and Valier

[CaptainofDespair]

I do not like this casual voting by Naria. Real life reason or not, quickly voting without even the slightest reasoning is highly suspicious, especially as the Day is winding down.

I would very much like to vote for Gurthang, but this new revelation is disturbing. Naria may well acquire my vote.

Edit: Cross posted with Rune.

[Valier]

(OOC I know Naria in RL and she is really truly vomity flu sick, so please donot hold that against her or vote for her just for this reason.) :D

[Nogrod]

Gurthang --> Durelin (Durelin1)
Boromir --> Gurthang (Durelin1, Gurthang1)
Naria --> CoD (Durelin1, Gurthang1, CoD1)
Diamond --> Naria (Durelin1, Gurthang1, CoD1, Naria1)
Lommy --> Gurthang (Durelin1, Gurthang2, CoD1, Naria1)
Rune --> Naria (Durelin1, Gurthang2, CoD1, Naria2)

CoD is continuing with the amazingly straightforward way of suspecting all those who vote for him and trusting those who don't... I don't know what to make of it. As such - if he's innocent - it's no good and does not serve us in any way but to generate unwanted rivalries and confusion (a cobbler still? I was quite ready to forget that suspicion yesterDay evening).

Gurthang's voting is downright horrible - and he has sticked around toDay but still he seems offering little and making sure his votes are the most safe. I have no lorebook on him (or it has gotten lost). Is this the way he usually plays? I had a belief (from somewhere) that he is an active and "substantial" player. In this game he has not shown either. A wolf then?

I'll try to see for better arguments for the people in the list I posted the last time soon. These were just initials...

[Nogrod]

Where are you people? Half of us left to vote still (minus Volo who is away).

Both Durelinand Farael play differently than my lorebooks tell me. Durelin is much more active and Farael a lot more milder and friendly.

The latter I found more disturbing.

Rune I just find troubling. His vote for Naria could be seen as a safe one (if it does not happen that we lynch her and she turns out to be a wolf).

Some other opinions?

My list of suspects to vote now would look something like:
Farael
Gurthang
Rune

[Valier]

I do find it odd CoD that you now just flip flop and say you may vote for Naria when earlier you were willing to say that she looked innocent to you. Your actions still scream Cobbler to me. But I do think Gurthangs actions warrent a good stern look too. He votes early says he may not be back, then sticks around for quite awhile and defends himself better...hmmmm

[Nogrod]

Those not voted yet:
CaptainofDespair
Durelin
Farael
Nogrod
Valier
Volo

Of these Volo is away and will not vote.

Myself, Valier and CoD seem to be around. Durelin I believe to stick in before the deadline.

Will Farael vote toDay? Is his inactivity due to the insurmountable RL issues or something else (including a non-interest with being an ordo as some people seem to have?)?

We still have all the options open.

[Durelin]

If Naria is too ill to really participate, then I will not go after her. Personally, I feel that she actually should not have voted then, if she could not even read through the game (which, again, is perfectly understandable). Though now that I notice CoD's edit to his post, his reasoning is really...bothersome. Maybe he is the Cobbler. And now that I think about it, being a completely suicidal Cobbler isn't against his nature.

Ugh...I feel like I'm wasting time on him, though. He's just been...useless. :p

I do not want to vote for Naria based on the circumstances, so that leaves me with Gurthang. I'm beginning to feel like he might be the Cobbler if not a wolf, if CoD isn't the Cobbler...and I have less reason to think he is. Though it isn't necessarily against his nature to be so 'suicidal,' in my opinion, I think he might be a little smarter about it if he was the Cobbler.

I need to leave, unfortunately... No one is standing out to me except for CoD and Gurthang. The only person who I can really pinpoint bad feelings about is Boro.

I must vote, so...

++Gurthang

Edit: Cross-posted with Val and Nogrod

[CaptainofDespair]

I do find it odd CoD that you now just flip flop and say you may vote for Naria when earlier you were willing to say that she looked innocent to you. Your actions still scream Cobbler to me. But I do think Gurthangs actions warrent a good stern look too. He votes early says he may not be back, then sticks around for quite awhile and defends himself better...hmmmm

Looks can be deceiving. Earlier I was willing to forgive the prior day's accusations. However, a rather odd and reasonless vote warrants that I look at her again with a very critical eye. I may very well leave her be.

And since when do opinions have to be written in stone, Valier?

Since there is not much time left, and that I must be getting to my work, I am going to have to play my hand.

Gurthang is an easy candidate to vote for. However, I will not jump on his wagon quite yet. Naria, however, has accused me twice. The second of those had no reasoning at all.

++Naria

Edit: Cross-posted with Durelin

[Nogrod]

I see voting Naria unfair if and when she has a RL reason to stay out.

Who then?

Farael?
Gurthang?
Rune?

That doesn't mean I think all the others innocent - as I said Boro's and Lommy's trust feel nice and suspicious at the same time and even though I have now said I don't vote for off-liners Volo or Naria, it doesn't mean I trust them, on the contrary.

I just don't know.

And we are short on time...

[Nogrod]

[QUOTE=Nogrod]Gurthang --> Durelin (Durelin1)
Boromir --> Gurthang (Durelin1, Gurthang1)
Naria --> CoD (Durelin1, Gurthang1, CoD1)
Diamond --> Naria (Durelin1, Gurthang1, CoD1, Naria1)
Lommy --> Gurthang (Durelin1, Gurthang2, CoD1, Naria1)
Rune --> Naria (Durelin1, Gurthang2, CoD1, Naria2)
Durelin --> Gurthang (Durelin1, Gurthang3, CoD1, Naria2)
CoD --> Naria (Durelin1, Gurthang3, CoD1, Naria3)

If it is only Valier and me in here, we are again in a hard spot... It is Gurthang or Naria then.

Anyone else around?

[Gurthang]

Gurthang's voting is downright horrible - and he has sticked around toDay but still he seems offering little and making sure his votes are the most safe. I have no lorebook on him (or it has gotten lost). Is this the way he usually plays? I had a belief (from somewhere) that he is an active and "substantial" player. In this game he has not shown either. A wolf then?

Except for that last question, you're pretty spot-on. I was highly active in previous games, but have little time to properly apply myself now. Which saddens me greatly. As per that, I shall not waste time trying to defend myself, as I am not much of an asset to the village. All I will say is I'm an ordinary innocent, and you may take that anywhere you want. (As I'm sure you will. :rolleyes: )

Durelin's vote for me speaks in her favor. I think a wolf would be more fearful that people would see it as being 'jumpy'. Also her earlier post outlining possibilities leads me to think she's innocent. It was like she was thinking out loud (as I have sometimes done) and wolves will think quietly and censor everything they say. So, I'm clearing her for now.

--Durelin

(I'm still under the impression that I can do this. If not, someone please correct me.)

Since time is getting short, I'll scan as much as I can. Specifically, CoD.

[Nogrod]

I just hope Farael turns in, if he is an innocent! If he is a villain, may the "not voting for two days" -rule swallow him!

And Gurthang, good to see you. Unhappily we're talking of minutes here...

You sure come in late. If it's RL, no problem, but as you didn't say it is, that's more than suspicious...

[Valier]

I find it odd that you show up now Gurthang and change your vote. You don't have much time to browse the thread now. This makes me even more suspisious of you.

++Gurthang

[Nogrod]

I find it odd that you show up now Gurthang and change your vote. You don't have much time to browse the thread now. This makes me even more suspisious of you.

++GurthangI must say I agree with Valier here. Were you innocent, you would have popped in much earlier...

++ Gurthang

I hope we do get it right this time.

[Nogrod]

Although it's sad if you fooled us with non-existent RL reasons - and even more sad if we did not believe your RL excuses... We'll see soon who was the fool.

[Gurthang]

Well, thank you Valier (and now Nogrod), for making the choice for me. Between me and Naria, I know only me. Being sympathetic for her plight, and not knowing if she is gifted, I'm going to spare her.

++Gurthang

I apologize for not being able to do anything constructive here. Once I'm dead, I advise (not that anyone's listening :rolleyes: ) looking into CoD, and then any possible connections with CoD and Nogrod or Durelin.

I go now to a better place. :D

[Farael]

Well, I haven't had time to read everything properly, but I'll post a vote at least? if I'm not too late....

++Durelin
To avoid mod-fire.

[Farael]

Ok, I have done some catch-up and finally can say something.

First thing of all --Durelin

I still think you are playing it too safe, and you may be a cobbler or a confused ordo, but there's something that bugs me a bit more.

Now, I know that this vote is highly ceremonial, since Gurthang is dead regardless of what I do, but howcome we are all too quick to forgive

And I mean REAL quick... for crying out loud, he has been suspecting those who suspect him and forgiving those who no longer suspect him. What kind of reasoning is that? And more disturbingly, howcome no-one is really calling him on it?

[B]++CoD

Tomorrow (game time) if RL does not get in the way again, I shall take a good look, both at him and at those who are all to willing to forget about him.

[Nogrod]

Aren't we already 40 minutes over the deadline?

[Farael]

Aren't we already 40 minutes over the deadline?
We are, but until Jenny comes and says that the day is over, we can still post, I believe.

I hope she's ok though, I think she had said she was a little sick.

[Nogrod]

I do believe the deadlines are firm and mean bussiness... If they were not, the gaming would be a lot different and we should all be continuing, but not counting you, no one is...

I at least suppose there is no changing of anything and also that your vote doesn't count (not that it would have meant anything but still) as it was given too late.

Be here in time the next time!

[JennyHallu]

CLERICAL BUSINESS: No votes after the deadline count. Also, there is no mod-fire unless you violate SpM's guidelines for neighborly play, and any questions there would be run by Mormegil first. But that doesn't matter because we won't have that problem, right? Sorry I wasn't here--we ran out of packing tape and I was bad and forgot I needed to be here...

Day 2

The second day of the Fantasy Club's ordeal was filled with discussion: accusations, suspicions, and recriminations flew like flies among the members. As day ended, however, the club members looked askance at only one unlikely suspect: the mild-mannered preacher Gurthang.

He tried, very hard, to be gracious about it, even agreeing that his death would be useful to them, but no meekness would change their minds. As they came towards him, however, his courage fled, and so did he.

His speed was impressive, but his panic was not, and his flight ended rather abruptly: he tripped on an upraised root and flew at least ten feet through the air, landing with a thud and a sickening crack right in the bottom of the prepared grave next to Rikae.

The club members gathered around, looking down at the body in the bottom of the grave with sorrow. It was clearly human, no sign of the transformation that would mark the guilt they had been so sure of. Disheartened, they turned away, walking back to their tents in the darkling light.

"Well, that was clumsy," commented Rune.

"Convenient, though," responded Naria, who had helped haul the bodies of the others into neat graves earlier in the day.

Dead

JennyHallu - Club President - Bound and collated on Night 1
Folwren - Vice-President - Used for ink on Night 1
Anguirel - Innocent - Misspelled on Day 1
Rikae - Innocent - Buried alive on Night 2
Gurthang - Innocent - Fell from grace on Day 2

Alive

Boromir88 - Fuller - all the NPCs
CaptainofDespair - Pompous Nobleman - Melneras, the Gnomish Archwizard
Diamond - librarian - Dia'l Na Mon the Half Elven Enchantress and Wielder of Azgalthro the Rapping Sword
Durelin - StarCaptain - William Shatner
Farael - Heavy-metal singer - sneak
Naria - Rat Wrangler (Animal control? teehee...) - Kitty Watcha'mikolit the Pygmy Giant, player of the Flute of Doom.
Nogrod - Retired General - Ciryatan of the Dúnedain, a one-legged Athelas vendor
Rune - temp - Joe the Beorning Bounty Hunter
Thinlomien - aging homeless sot - Lothwen the Pretty, elven flowermaid
Valier - Radical Hair Butcher - Elven Anoonnoon of Omicron Persieye 8
Volo - teleseller - Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul tha half-balrog, wielding a multitude of sharp pointy objects.

Ya'll know the routine.

[JennyHallu]

Ever since the first night, Rune had secretly been trying to hinder the club members. He offered little and nonsensical help, he appeared in discussions at unpredictable hours, and when three of his companions arrived in his tent, he was sure that his efforts were finally to be rewarded. "I knew you'd realize what an asset I am," he gushed happily, showing them to chairs he'd had ready for them. "This is what I've been thinking..."

Cheerfully he outlined a plan of elaborate deathlists and general mayhem. Finally he stopped to ask his guests their opinion. "Well, can I join the team?"

One shrugged. "I think we could find a good place for you."

When the transformation started, it still took Rune a few seconds to realize that his ardor for their cause wouldn't save him.

~*~

No 'good morning's were heard as the club members awoke and gathered despondently in the town square. They were sure that someone had been lost in the night, and there wasn't even a trace of surprise as they trudged to Rune's tent to see why he hadn't joined them. The mess inside didn't even faze them, so used were they to the horror of their situation.

But what did startle them were the placards and bits of notepaper strewn throughout the room, all in Rune's messy handwriting, and all threats and deathwishes against their own number. True, they were down yet another member...

But the wolves had clearly killed their cobbler.

Dead

JennyHallu - Club President - Bound and collated on Night 1
Folwren - Vice-President - Used for ink on Night 1
Anguirel - Innocent - Misspelled on Day 1
Rikae - Innocent - Buried alive on Night 2
Gurthang - Innocent - Fell from grace on Day 2
Rune - Cobbler - Given a permanent assignment on Night 3

Alive

Boromir88 - Fuller - all the NPCs
CaptainofDespair - Pompous Nobleman - Melneras, the Gnomish Archwizard
Diamond - librarian - Dia'l Na Mon the Half Elven Enchantress and Wielder of Azgalthro the Rapping Sword
Durelin - StarCaptain - William Shatner
Farael - Heavy-metal singer - sneak
Naria - Rat Wrangler (Animal control? teehee...) - Kitty Watcha'mikolit the Pygmy Giant, player of the Flute of Doom.
Nogrod - Retired General - Ciryatan of the Dúnedain, a one-legged Athelas vendor
Thinlomien - aging homeless sot - Lothwen the Pretty, elven flowermaid
Valier - Radical Hair Butcher - Elven Anoonnoon of Omicron Persieye 8
Volo - teleseller - Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul tha half-balrog, wielding a multitude of sharp pointy objects.

6 club members and a seer remain against three wolves...mistakes grow costly. Tread with care today...

Wolves, stop PMing. Club members, begin your discussions.

I know it's early, but I have a bible study class, and I figured it was better to be a little early than a lot late. Have fun and good luck to all.

[CaptainofDespair]

Well, the wolves did our job for us. And that also means I'm not the cobbler. Glorious!

Should we look at Naria, who Rune last voted for?

[Farael]

Rune ??? Boy, I didn't see that one coming. Well, at least we got the cobbler out of the way, I wouldn't go as far as calling it a favour from the furry ones, but perhaps half.

I promised a hard look at CoD and some of the things going around him, and I shall... later, 'cos right now I'm a little busy. I really hope I don't miss the deadline again, this is getting really frustrating for me, I swear.

[Boromir88]

I agree with him, and yet I find it odd that he left out Naria.~Durelin
Naria had not voted for CoD or Anguirel. Though I see what you mean. Even if Naria's inactivity is due to a bad flu, I will get to her (and everyone) in a bit.

On the contrary Farael, Rune's death really doesn't surprise me in the least. Now we can see a pattern here developing with the wolves, so they want to kill the quiet one's and keep as low as a profile as possible...so it appears. Taking a look at the two death choices, it's quite clear what the wolves want to do here...Pin the 'talkers' against eachother, and eliminate the quiet ones.

When I get back, I shall see if there's anything to find in Rune's posts.

[CaptainofDespair]

Farael, you would be wasting your time looking into me. And I will leave it at that.

I am highly suspicious of Naria. Even when she has been posting, she has been on the fringe. She has remained quite consistent in her shadiness. In addition, I think it is worth considering a possible connection to Rune's death. He, too, was also on the fringe, and his vote for her went fairly unnoticed. This fits the pattern of the wolves' killings, both Rikae and Rune were less active in the discussions.

X-posted with Boromir

[Thinlómien]

CoD is innocent, just because. . .
Naria is a wolf and need to be delt with (meaning I suspect her)Seeing these quotes I find it most probable that CoD is innocent and Naria is a baddie, and the wolves thought Rune to be the seer. When he stated his opinion about all of the people in the village, these were the two to "jump out", of others he was not nearly as confident. And, as it happens, the seer had had two dreams that far.

[Valier]

Ok well heres my thoughts. After I reread the thread , I was sure that Rune was the Seer. He said in his last post.
CoD is innocent, just because. . ./ Naria is a wolf and need to be delt with (meaning I suspect her)
I was sure someone else (namely the wolves) would surely have picked up on this and we would lose our Seer.
Hurray!! The wolves killed our town meddler for us.
This now makes me think Rune must have thought Naria innocent and CoD wolvish....why would Rune push to kill someone he was trying to help, he is on the bad team remember, and why say CoD is innocent unless he thought he could be a wolf?. He votes for Naria hoping others will follow and kill an innocent, or does he leave false Seer hints to get the real Seer to reveil themselves? Hmmmmm Well I don't know if we should follow anything he had to say. He was here to confuse us right. He didn't know who was who and his plan if he had one to out the Seer didn't work, so yeah! What do others think about all this?

[Farael]

On the contrary Farael, Rune's death really doesn't surprise me in the least. Now we can see a pattern here developing with the wolves, so they want to kill the quiet one's and keep as low as a profile as possible...so it appears. Taking a look at the two death choices, it's quite clear what the wolves want to do here...Pin the 'talkers' against eachother, and eliminate the quiet ones.

Oh, no, you misunderstood me... I wouldn't have guessed Rune was the cobbler.

Farael, you would be wasting your time looking into me. And I will leave it at that.
So you say, and yet... why should I trust you?

Back soon with my analysis

[Nogrod]

Ten points to Lommy for her accurate observations! And something like 9½ for Valier from the other angle of this! Great job! And a 9 to Boromir, with some reservations to come... :) You should have an extra leave for this!

Lommy's points I think look more than reasonable concerning the reason why Rune was killed. Valier's points to the psychology of the cobbler-Rune were noteworthy too. We should look at both these threads with some interest toDay. They do not fit together a 100 percent, but are worthwhile to look more closely at.

What I was thinking myself followed the lines Boromir was thinking. But I surely have my own twist into this. Namely, the loud villagers present are either wolves or very badly misguided. That yells to myself: you're wrong, so wrong! The fact that I know I'm innocent and I'm still alive calls for heightening suspicion towards those I have somehow trusted. Remember we have no ranger to slow the wolves down so they can kill anyone they wish. So they want us loud-people to get into one another's throats, as Boro said?

Or then Lommy just hit the nail and they had to kill Rune as they were afraid he was the seer...

That has to be thought of. But I seemingly can't take anything for granted anymore as the wolves killing pattern seems pretty cunning indeed. Being merciful towards the loud-players (not killing them outright) is a characteristics of a self-assured wolves. Sorry Boro: you speak sense but I must add you to my suspicion-list because of what has happened. If you are a wolf, I would not be surprised of the way you play, if you're not, I might very well see that you have played intelligently...

Or then Lommy was right and the whole situation will look different...

How to see which one it was?

[Durelin]

This now makes me think Rune must have thought Naria innocent and CoD wolvish....why would Rune push to kill someone he was trying to help, he is on the bad team remember, and why say CoD is innocent unless he thought he could be a wolf?

Why would the wolves kill someone who thought CoD to be innocent if CoD is a wolf? Maybe to make it look like CoD is innocent? But why would they feel the need to? And you make the assumption that Rune had any idea who the wolves were. He knows no more than the rest of us do. I mean, actually it’s quite probably that he thought CoD was a wolf and Naria innocent, and so thought he was helping the wolves, but that doesn’t explain why the wolves killed him.

I find Lommy’s reasoning a little more sound. And Boromir’s point only makes me feel more certain that it is. There is a pattern in the wolf killings (even though we only have two to go on, which I think is quite enough for there to be a pattern when it comes to human or wolfish thought-processes): the killing of the quiet ones. I think another reason they might do this, in addition to Boro’s observation, is to try and get rid of the Seer as soon as possible, and there’s always a good chance that he/she is going to lie low.

Was it Rune’s comment about Naria that caught the wolves eyes? Or was it something else he pointed out?

I hope Naria will post today and help me decide one way or the other. Her vote yesterday, though it was hasty and unexplained for understandable reasons, still does not sit right with me. CoD certainly isn’t someone I’m sure about, but what I feel like could be taken from Naria’s vote is an attempt to remain appearing consistent simply for the sake of appearing consistent, and that bothers me.

Valier’s comment worries me a little, too. The reasoning there is a little faulty in my opinion, and I find it odd that she might risk twisting Rune’s death in the opposite direction that Lommy did just the post before. Odd, kind of reactionary.

Hopefully Volo will be back toDay.


Naria had not voted for CoD or Anguirel. Though I see what you mean. Even if Naria's inactivity is due to a bad flu, I will get to her (and everyone) in a bit.

Ah, I’m sorry. Though, Naria did say she was leaning towards voting for CoD. I’m not sure why, but this calms my suspicions of you a bit.

[Nogrod]

The retired general is going to retire for some sleep now. :)

But if any one of you has extra time I think looking at the following things might be of help to us:
- The "safe votes" with regards to what we know now and about the innocence or "guilt" of the people involved.
- The trust / suspect relations between people voiced in the game so far. The wolves would like to make friends with the villagers they think might suspect them in a strong way and accuse those they believe would not do that... surely considerations in situ (on situatiation) should be noted.
- Pondering about the possible activeness / staying in the "shadowness" of the wolves. Meaning whether Lommy is right about Rune's death (the wolves feared "Rune the Seer" had got one of them) or if Boro is right (they confidently killed yet another quiet one to make the loud ones to go for each other, themselves grinning in the background).

PS. Boro being right with this fact does not mean he is innocent, quite on the contrary... it might point him being the one who came up with this tactics in the first place.

And Lommy might also be seen as revealing the tactics of the wolves just to look good and still being vague enough not to reveal anything of importance...

As I said before: with the Nightly killing record we have I'm not going to trust anyone for a while... There is at least one very crafty wolf involved here.

[Valier]

Valier’s comment worries me a little, too. The reasoning there is a little faulty in my opinion, and I find it odd that she might risk twisting Rune’s death in the opposite direction that Lommy did just the post before. Odd, kind of reactionary

Actually I crossposted with Lommy, so I did not see her views before I posted. what do you think is faulty about my comment? it is just my opinion, I am just trying to figure out what Rune was up to, if anything. I believe that he may have put out false Seer hints to try and get the Seer to come out, if not why even bother saying something so Seeresque? He must have known that either the real Seer would come out and call him a liar or that they wouldn't and he can confuse us all before he was killed by the wolves...

[Farael]

Warning: this is a really long post... but it might just be worth it to actually read it

Edit: Sorry guys, I messed up my links... I hope they all work fine, I don't have time to fix it.

Post 3 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=496891&postcount=3)
First post of the game… from scratch he claims that
So, I will surely have to wait and allow my superior intellect to grant me insight that the rest of you...commoners...could never obtain.
Is that a Seer hint on the first post of the game? A Seer will probably not do it, an ordo trying to protect the Seer wouldn’t either… since the wolves haven’t even had a chance to get a feel for the true seer. What does that leave us with?
http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=496925&postcount=13 ( Post 13
Says that being evil does not mean being a wolf, and claims that maybe we should all keep an eye on me and Durelin. I don’t think that ever happened, at least not by him.

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#3 CaptainofDespair is a bit odd. I mean, when Farael (jokingly, or that's how I understood it, though you never know of him) accused Durelin calling her "evil Durelin" and proposing to lynch her, CaptainofDespair says:

But admitted vileness does not mean wolf-dom. I would certainly know that. In my private life I have been accused, out of many things, of evicting peasants from their homes so that my game-hunting lands can be expanded. And that's just my pre-afternoon warmup.

To me, this sounds a wolfish (yet not very clever) tactic to get the accusations away from Durelin. According to my experience, there are two situations when one may defend a fellow villager like this: when the person is an over-reacting wolf and tries to get the accusations away from his/her partner or when the person in question thinks he/she has a good joke to answer the accusation with (which was not the case, in my opinion, or else I don't get CoD's sense of humour). So I'm inclined to believe the clumsy wolf-tactics, but I know nothing of CoD's playing records or ww experience, so it's difficult to say. So maybe I'm just overreacting, but that just caught my eye.
So, Loomy is calling CoD on somewhat flimsy grounds, but she has a point that maybe he was deflecting accusations off Durelin. He did say that we should keep an eye on her (and me) but he never DID keep an eye on us, so I’m starting to think he tried a concealed defence of Durelin and then tried to distance from her, just in case.

Well, I promised to make a comprehensive analysis on CoD so I have to try and add everything for your sake. That includes the Following (rather innocuous I think) comment.

I can't stay long, but I thought CoD was quite funny...



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Thinlo...I really am having trouble understanding your logic...

Perhaps we should keep an eye on both Farael and Durelin.~CoD

I mean I know it's Day 1 and all, and we all are grasping at straws here. But honestly CoD is one of the most innocent looking people (at least to me). Really he is the only one that has spoken some decent sense to me so far (see above quote), instead of complete bilge. I won't cast my vote for somebody that's been trying to make some sense out of the non-sensical Day 1's.
Well, I don’t see where CoD has talked some decent sense. All he’s done was talk in character and say you all should suspect me and Durelin. Don’t you all agree? By all means, go back through the thread and tell me if I missed something here… the only reason one would have to suspect me and Durelin was our three-post interchange about “Evil Durelin”. Granted, some may see that as suspicious, perhaps CoD is one of those “some” but to say that because he called us on it he’s one of the few actually talking some sense? Other than that, so far he’s only played in character! Boromir that really makes you look bad in my eyes.

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I see why some people wish see CoD innocent, but are you sure you're not misled here? (Well, no one can be sure, but think again).

I'm not referring to the post Lommy based her suspicion. If you look at it more carefully, you will see that after doubting Farel's point over Durelin, CoD thinks we should look closely both of them...
Ah Nogrod… you bring up an interesting point. CoD seems to defend Durelin but then he wants to keep an eye on both of us. Perhaps my theory of a veiled defence and then some distancing “just in case” is not that far off, eh?

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I disagree. There are 14 people in this troop here....3 of whom who have yet to say something, the chances that at least one of those three actually is a wolf wouldn't be at all unusual.

Yes, the wolves do like to get out there and get the village turning (right now, for me, Nogrod, Anguirel, and CoD would fall under here). However, I wouldn't put it past at least one of the wolves to say very little (if anything at all) on Day 1...while one or both of their buddies go out and get their hands dirtied.

On those three above, I probably won't vote for any of them, today...though Nogrod looks the most dangerous (of the three). His suspicion of CoD looks a little bold for a wolf to make, but with his family history I wouldn't put anything past him. So, I guess you could say I'll be watching Nogrod.
Boromir suspects Nogrod on the basis of his accusation against CoD. He then mellows it down a little bit, but still… he is, again, defending CoD from scrutiny. Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

Now, it gets quite pretty here
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The post is fairly long and I don’t want to quote all of it. You have the link right up there if you want to re-read it for yourself.
Nogrod Calls CoD on his seemingly seer-hint on the first post of the game. That’s a good call. He makes pretty much the same points I made about that first post.

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I am not convinced about CoD's guilt and I did not pay any atention to his comment when I saw it. . .so I am not going to hunt his head just yet.
Now, Rune did NOT have any insight what so ever about the identity of the wolves. Yet, he does have his instinct, thus odds are that he’ll try to protect whoever seems wolfish, without getting his hands too dirty. I can’t say I’m privy to Rune’s train of thought, but what I CAN say is that to me, it sounds as if he was defending CoD and trying to downplay what might have been a slip-up. Why would he take that risk if he didn’t think CoD was a wolf? After all, we all know that whoever defends someone who turns out lupine will be scrutinized rather closely.

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I'm not saying I'm convinced about CoD's guilt either. It's just the only suspicion that I can ground with some sense. If I'm not able to find any better candidates I will vote for CoD, but happily there's time and I will surely try to do some rewieving of other people later on.
Nothing really bad there… maybe Nogrod toning down his accusation a bit, but that’s not too rare in these situations.

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CoD is STILL talking in character. I must say I do appreciate that, we all forget too readily to RP who we are supposed to be. Well, too late for that, I’m already in a “serious” mood. He defends himself somewhat playfully, and then he says he suspects Thinlomien. Why? He doesn’t say, but we know (from a further comment that’ll be brought up soon) that he does so because she suspected him on the first place. What kind of logic is that? I won’t deny that at times, people that go after you tend to look a bit more suspicious than the rest, but usually you need some other reason before you actually suspect them.


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Naria accuses CoD of being the cobbler. A rather likely proposition, that now we see is wrong. Yet, she has a point that CoD has been acting in a rather… strange fashion. She brings up a great point that, by hinting at seerdom, he’ll cast just that tiny bit of doubt in our minds that will most likely stop us from voting for him unless the evidence is clearly condemning. And let’s face it, other than the Seer saying so, there is no condemning evidence.

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Nogrod agrees on the possibility of CoD being the cobbler, and calls Naria on a somewhat confusing notion she brought up.

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CoD claims that Naria’s logic is flawed, and offers a “if I was…” post. I don’t usually like those posts, because the author can claim how he’d act as a wolf and then just act slightly differently. Why should we trust what he says about how he would act as a villain?

Furthermore, he again suspects those that suspect him. He’s changed the focus, no longer claiming to want to keep an eye on me and Durelin but just suspecting the ones that suspect him. Is he trying to intimidate them off his scent? That’s a rather wolfish technique, if you ask me.

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Volo makes the same point I made before. What about me and Durelin?

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Our aristocrat defends himself by saying that he never suspected us, he just said that we deserved to be looked at. Then he claims that, unlike the ones he suspects, we have not accused him for being on character. Don’t worry CoD I still don’t suspect you for being on character, as you can see I suspect you for a dubious reasoning for suspecting people (specially when, as we’ll see soon, he stops suspecting Loomy once she drops her suspicions of him), for talking a lot and adding little (all this in character stuff is fun, I must admit, but you are not saying a whole lot) and perhaps most importantly, for being over-defensive. So far, all he’s done is defend himself and attack those that suspect him. Not to mention that seer hint…

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Durelin gives a half-hearted defence of CoD claiming that there always is the possibility of a very misguided innocent. Then she shifts the sights on Ang whom we know now was an ordo.

Anyone else remembers that post where CoD is somewhat defending Durelin although he then distances himself from her by saying that you should keep an eye on her and me? Is that Durelin returning a favour…. Or perhaps is it that the werewolves have agreed on defending each other a little bit if possible?

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Nogrod offers his views on several villagers and then says that CoD’s calmness speaks on his favour, although he still thinks that there is something wrong about him.

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Boromir says that it’s a pity that CoD mellowed down his ‘accusation’ against Durelin and I because that was the reason he did not suspect him, as he (Boromir) suspects us for our little interaction earlier on the day.

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CoD defends himself again, and defends his first post. He admits that he stopped looking at Durelin and I to defend himself better. Now I wonder, if he was truly on the village side and wanted us ordos to win, what’s the point on defending himself so stubbornly? At some point, you should try to add to the village discussion and prove your worth, rather than claim your worth and spend your time just protecting your own backside. In this case, it might even be a furry backside he’s trying to protect.

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Nogrod clarifies his accusation against CoD and calls him on the fact that CoD was asking for definitive evidence… on Day 1. A rare luxury, eh?.

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CoD goes ahead and votes for Loomy on the basis of her vote for him. This really smells like a retaliatory vote, and that’s bad… furthermore, it’s not like CoD had to vote early and so he had nothing to go on, other than the outrage of being voted at. He voted an hour before the deadline, so there had been plenty of conversation up until then.


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Rikae strolls in and votes for CoD on the basis of coblerishness. Sort of a weak post, I wouldn’t make much of it if it wasn’t because… Rikae is dead. Yeah, you could say “oh, it’s too bold a move for CoD to be a wolf” but come on… Rikae’s vote was as unexplained as possible. ANY half-witted werewolf can dance his way out of that situation. And we all know that CoD does not really like people who suspect him, don’t we. Rikae was both an easy target and a CoD voter. Good fit, anyone?


And that’s Day 1…. Let’s move on to the second day.

Here’s a post I find rather interesting.

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Now, this is a little bold for a wolf to do but… Durelin basically suspects and then “unsuspects” both Boromir and CoD. Boromir has defended CoD before, CoD has defended Durelin and Durelin has also defended CoD… interesting group of three villagers, eh? What? You mean that there is another group of three? A group that we are all looking for? Go figure…

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CoD expresses his condolences about the death of Ang and proposes a rather far-fetched theory of why the wolves would kill Rikae. Says that he suspects Durelin. I think that it’s unlikely that the group of three I just mentioned are all wolves, as they seem to be fairly at each other’s throats, but they might just be taking a “high risk, high reward” approach.

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Durelin asks Boro and CoD to lay off her a bit. She might be an ordo after all, but I’m not so sure about the CoD and Boro tandem. She’s not off the hook, but as I mentioned right above, it might be a bit too risky an approach for a group of wolves to be all at each other’s throat.

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Loomy calls Cod on his “retaliatory” style of playing. She has a point, it seems that those who suspect CoD are suspected by him, and those who don’t are not. Will I be suspected now? :D

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Nogrod says that CoD had looked less suspicious at first, but agrees with Loomy that his reasons for suspecting (and not suspecting) people are rather weak.

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Naria casts an unexplained vote for CoD

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Loomy makes her point again of CoD’s flawed logic and his attempt (whether accidental or not) at a seer hint.

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CobleRune talks about his hunches…. Since he’s the cobbler, we should revert them, as odds are he’ll claim whoever he thinks is an ordo to be a wolf and vice-versa. Now, I am not saying he had any insider’s knowledge, all I’m saying is that he says that he thinks CoD is an ordo, thus he probably thinks he’s actually a wolf.

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CoD does not like Naria’s vote. Granted, it’s not explained what so ever… but she did vote for him of all people, and now it seems that he suspects her.

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Nogrod calls CoD again on his method of suspecting those that suspect him.

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Valier calls CoD on his constant flip-flopping of whom he suspects.

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CoD defends himself from Valier’s comments and votes for Naria on the basis of… the two times she has accused him although the second time it had no reasoning behind it, which is a valid point. Yet, he (again) seems to be casting a retaliatory vote. On Day 2?! I don’t like them on Day 1, but now it’s just getting bad.

And that’s the end of Day 2.

Day 3 is upon us, I think that I’ll let you read through it and make your own decisions.

But, my thoughts on Day 3.

Valier has a point. One could say that Loomy’s point of view would be more correct, but there is one problem. More often than not, wolves will not kill someone who has just accused them if they think that person is the Seer. If Rune had turned out to be the seer, I would think that the wolves would have avoided killing him right there and then, because it would have meant the death of a wolvish Naria

Therefore I think that the wolves killed Rune because of his relative silence, and possibly to frame Naria as a side-effect. I don’t think they would have killed him if Naria was a wolf, because as I just said, that’d mean the death of Naria

By the way, Durelin, Boro and CoD keep on interacting… see post 142 by Durelin

[Boromir88]

I have gone through Rune's posts. There are a few possibilities running through my head.

1) The wolves killed Rune to confuse us even further and continue us spiralling in circles. It may have worked better than they intended as it just so happens they kill the cobbler...so exactly how much info can we get out of Rune's posts?

2) The wolves as Lommy points out believed Rune was the seer and this would put a mark on Naria and Volo...as those seem to be the two people he 'suspected' the most. This begs the again, just exactly how much reliablity can we put in Rune's 'suspicions?'

I'm growing wary of Lommy over there whom is pushing the wolves must have believed Rune was the seer, and claims she knows exactly why he was killed...because of his comments. This rings some alarms in my head. Such narrow-minded thinking into believing only one 'right answer' is dangerous. If you are innocent, you should open your mind a bit.

I don't think I can get anything clarified further until I see something from Naria.

Edit: x-posted with Farael

[Diamond18]

This is how I see it:

Wolves seldom bluff quite as diabolically as Villagers think they do. The Wolves want to kill the seer, why would they waste their time killing Rune if they didn't think he was the seer? Sure, it could be a plot to make CoD look good and Naria look bad, but we won't know for sure unless we kill one of them.

I'm leaning towards killing Naria.

1. It makes the most sense, to me, that the wolves smelled a seer in Rune and they killed him.
2. CoD has been more active.

Now, as I said yesterDay, I know she has the flu. But this isn't really a good reason not to vote for her. In fact, it's a good reason, as we KNOW Naria will not be playing, participating, or thinking to the best of her abilities. We're not going to get the answers and contributions from her that we might normally expect. Frankly, if I had a bad flu I'd rather die than have to drag myself to the computer to mess around with werewolf. And just because she's sick doesn't mean she's not a wolf, ergo it's no good as an alibi. Sure, it explains why she's absent, but it doesn't have any bearing on what role she was assigned at the beginning.

If you don't want to kill Naria, then kill CoD, and we can put this Rune business to rest. That's what I think, anyway.

[Diamond18]

Therefore I think that the wolves killed Rune because of his relative silence, and possibly to frame Naria as a side-effect. I don’t think they would have killed him if Naria was a wolf, because as I just said, that’d mean the death of Naria

I think this is flawed logic. If Rune was the seer and knew about Naria, she was already a lost cause. The other two wolves wouuld be more concerned about saving their own skins by preventing Rune from dreaming any further, than they would be about protecting a Naria who was likely already doomed. Consider, from the wolves' point of view -- if Rune the Seer was allowed to continue speaking he would likely continue going after Naria (maybe even reveal and seal the deal) and every night he was allowed to dream he could potentially discover more wolves. The seer must die, even if it means sacrificing one wolf out of three.

And consider now our current discussions. We're debating whether or not Naria is a wolf. This is better for the wolves than having a seer around who can just outright say "Naria is a wolf, end of story, lynch her."

Now, I'm not saying I know this to be true. But I think the logic is good. What is logical and what is true is not always the same in Werewolf, but as I don't know any truths about the wolves and what they're thinking, I can only go by what I think is the most logical.

[CaptainofDespair]

*sighs*

Farael, I'm not going to answer your ridiculous post point by point, as there is no...well...point. I will say one thing, however. You, and quite a few others, have taken my first posts way out of context. And, those posts are the basis for nearly every accusation against me. I was simply playing around in character, as I was quite amused by being a Pompous Nobleman.

And further, I will not respond to any more accusations that stem from my in-character posting. It is simply far too silly to have questions of wolf-dom/cobbler-dom simply because I felt inclined to post as the character I chose to be.

If I was not so adamant about lynching Naria today, I would certainly be looking into you.

And on to that, I am inclined to agree with Diamond that we could lynch Naria on being absent. And since I believe her to be a wolf, I agree all the more.

I stand quite firm on my desire to vote for Naria. Although it is unlikely I will be steered from that course, I will not vote until later tomorrow.

[Durelin]

I'm sorry, Valier, if I might have touched a nerve.


I believe that he may have put out false Seer hints to try and get the Seer to come out, if not why even bother saying something so Seeresque?

That is quite possible...that wasn't what I was addressing. The real issue is why he was killed, not what he was trying to do. If he was killed because the wolves thought he was the Seer, it is possible that he was actually correct in his suspicions, obviously to his dismay and downfall. Yes, your option is possible, but the only real reason you cited for it being possible were that Rune, as the Cobbler, wanted to help the wolves. Thus, your reasoning is illogical, even if your conclusion is possible. And I do apologize for the accusation of being "reactionary."


If you don't want to kill Naria, then kill CoD, and we can put this Rune business to rest. That's what I think, anyway.

I think lynching one of these two is an excellent idea, as I think we have a good chance of finding a wolf in one of them. And I know I will never be able to get this "Rune business" out of my head until it is settled. I would be up for lynching either one.


By the way, Durelin, Boro and CoD keep on interacting… see post 142 by Durelin

Interacting? In the post you cite, I am actually interacting with Valier, remarking on her ideas regarding why Rune was lynched. I was asking questions that involved CoD because frankly, the best way to help expand an idea is to ask questions...and it's the best way to figure something out if you don't completely understand something. And I responded again to Boro's explanation...how shocking. I at least wanted to let him know I had seen it and understood it. I'm sorry, but your accusation seems based largely on whose name is in bold in my post, and that bothers me.

[Farael]

*sighs*

Farael, I'm not going to answer your ridiculous post point by point, as there is no...well...point. I will say one thing, however. You, and quite a few others, have taken my first posts way out of context. And, those posts are the basis for nearly every accusation against me. I was simply playing around in character, as I was quite amused by being a Pompous Nobleman. .
Alright, don't answer the questions raised by your roleplaying... that wasn't the point of my post.

Care to answer about the questions raised by your consistently suspecting those that suspect you, solely on the basis of their suspicions? The way I see it, that has nothing to do with roleplaying and yet it is my biggest problem with your playing so far.

[Farael]

Sorry for the double-post folks, I somehow managed to miss this.

Interacting? In the post you cite, I am actually interacting with Valier, remarking on her ideas regarding why Rune was lynched. I was asking questions that involved CoD because frankly, the best way to help expand an idea is to ask questions...and it's the best way to figure something out if you don't completely understand something. And I responded again to Boro's explanation...how shocking. I at least wanted to let him know I had seen it and understood it. I'm sorry, but your accusation seems based largely on whose name is in bold in my post, and that bothers me.
Well, Durelin have you taken the time to read through my seemingly endless post? I found what I believe to be a pattern. I'll be the first one to say it's an unlikely one, but still it does seem to be a consistent trend. You three have been accusing, forgiving, defending and distancing from each other. Maybe you are not all wolves, but I'm fairly sure one of you at the very least is. Possibly even two.

[Boromir88]

I don't know if Valier's reasoning is all that illogical. I think it's possible the wolves believed Rune was actually the cobbler, they saw his duty done so they killed him. Now why would wolves want to kill their ally?

Well as we all know the Cobbler doesn't know who the wolves are, and the wolves don't know who the Cobbler is. However, the Cobbler's duty is to stir as much confusion as possible. As Rune I think has certainly done this, because of the wolves choice.

I have memoirs from ancestors who were cursed, and they talk about actually killing a person they suspected to be the Cobbler. Since the Cobbler is trying to sew as much disorder and confusion as possible, and killing the Cobbler would do just that. As we don't know what we can take from the Cobbler's death. The wolves can effectively use a Cobbler by not only keeping him alive but actually killing him.

I don't know if lynching Naria or CoD would be the best thing either. As I have yet to see why either of them our wolves. Grant it, I think it would clear away this Rune thing, if neither of them are wolves what good does that do? We can't fiddle around much longer and keep on making these mistakes just so we can put to rest this 'Rune conversation.' If I can see a reasoning (which I will be looking at both of them) that one (or even both) are wolves, than let's do it. But, I'm not too fond of this idea...'let's just lynch one of them so we can figure out what the wolves were planning when they killed Rune.' We don't got a lot of room for error left.

I may just go back to my first night vote for Farael...he seems a bit hasty here. Perhaps for real life reasons he wasn't active for the first couple days. Then yesterday he comes in too late to vote. He's sure making his presence known today.

What I mean by he seems hasty, is first off I don't understand this:
More often than not, wolves will not kill someone who has just accused them if they think that person is the Seer. If Rune had turned out to be the seer, I would think that the wolves would have avoided killing him right there and then, because it would have meant the death of a wolvish Naria
I forget who pointed it out, but wolves would gladly make a sacrifice to nab the Seer....especially when the Seer is the only gifted in the village and the wolves have the amount of success they have had so far.

Also, I don't like this Durelin, CoD, and myself trio you've concocted up. How about we focus on just getting one wolf before we start thinking of who his/her partners are? While it's good to look for connections and possible 'partnerships' it's virtually useless until we actually get a wolf to go off of. When we get these groups of 'trios' before even finding one wolf it creates confusion and a mass of possibilities that may not even be true (especially if a wolf is the one making the 'trio'). To me it looks like you're attempting to group people together, attach 'wolf trio' to them, and trying to fool everyone into follow along with you.

[Farael]

I may just go back to my first night vote for Farael...he seems a bit hasty here. Perhaps for real life reasons he wasn't active for the first couple days. Then yesterday he comes in too late to vote. He's sure making his presence known today.

What I mean by he seems hasty, is first off I don't understand this:

I forget who pointed it out, but wolves would gladly make a sacrifice to nab the Seer....especially when the Seer is the only gifted in the village and the wolves have the amount of success they have had so far.

Also, I don't like this Durelin, CoD, and myself trio you've concocted up. How about we focus on just getting one wolf before we start thinking of who his/her partners are? While it's good to look for connections and possible 'partnerships' it's virtually useless until we actually get a wolf to go off of. When we get these groups of 'trios' before even finding one wolf it creates confusion and a mass of possibilities that may not even be true (especially if a wolf is the one making the 'trio'). To me it looks like you're attempting to group people together, attach 'wolf trio' to them, and trying to fool everyone into follow along with you.

My friend, you are free to make your own choices, that's why I took the time to go through, post by post, CoD's comments. I tried to show my reasoning. Flawed? only the wolves, and perhaps the Seer, know it. Does that mean I want people to follow me? well, I think I'm right, thus I do want people to follow me... so I lay out the facts, and I say the way I see them so that perhaps others will see things the same way I do.

Is that a wolfish tactic? I don't think so, after all, you are doing the same. Are you a wolf, Mr. Boromir?

And this "trio" of mine surged from my analysis of CoD it is just a consequence of what I saw happening, and something I thought I'd bring up. After all, none of us ordos knows when he'll be killed, either by lynching or by murdering. I think we are best off speakin as much as we can, when RL does not get in the way. Besides, that way we are much more likely to step on some furry toes. Eventually things will become clear, and I hope that three (game) days from now, someone will look back and say "hey, maybe Farael wasn't that far off... if we add these new facts to what he said on day 3, maybe he was on to something".

Or maybe someone will say "look... Farael said this, the wolves did this and this, which means that it is likely that such and such is a wolf!"

Who knows what may happen? I say we do our best to explain ourselves to the fullest and let others make their own choices. That does not mean toss accusations randomly, but if there is something you think you should bring up, why not? Afraid of getting killed? only the furry ones should be.

[Thinlómien]

I'm growing wary of Lommy over there whom is pushing the wolves must have believed Rune was the seer, and claims she knows exactly why he was killed...because of his comments. This rings some alarms in my head. Such narrow-minded thinking into believing only one 'right answer' is dangerous. If you are innocent, you should open your mind a bit.Well, when I was asking myself why Rune was killed I remembered that post, checked it and was quite confident I was right since it all fit so "beautifully". I still think I'm right about that, but of course I can't be sure because I can't read the wolves' minds. So, I acknowledge the possibility of me being wrong. I don't deny that the wolves could have killed Rune to frame Naria and make CoD look innocent, but one could think they would be more intent on seer-hunting. In my opinion the seer's their worst threat right now, because they are "winning" since there's 7 innocent people and all the three wolves are still alive. The seer, however, has the potential to turn the situation upside down for our good.

And CoD seems to be continuing his annoying tactic of retaliatory suspicion... :rolleyes:

[Valier]

My time is limited today, but I will return a few hours before the deadline. My vote will go to either Naria or CoD. One needs to go, so we can put aside this Rune thing. I am unsure who should go though...I would like to hear more from both.

[Volo]

I'm out of ideas just like earlier, sorry, but at least I should thank Farael for his post that may still turn me into some use.

The only new things that I can say is a mixed feeling about Nogrod being a wolf, it is strange that he hasn't been killed yet and that makes him look wolfish, but it is great that he doesn't die first in every game...

And his innocence is boosted by the fact that nobody has accused him, meaning that often the seer targets Nogrod on the first day. The only things I don't really like from his actions is
Of whom I seem to have no read-out whatsoever:
Farael
Gurthang
Volo
Rune
Naria
and his vote on the first day.

I'm not really sure why, but his deciding vote for wierd Anguirel feels evil. And that list of players that have written confusingly, it has an air of "don't listen to those"...

Of Farael I'll just say that the long post itself is reassuring and I doubt that most wolves would write something like that, for that I really feel like voting ++CoD.

Other players I wouldn't go far enough to trust even mildly.

I'm late even now as I write so bye.

[CaptainofDespair]

Alright, don't answer the questions raised by your roleplaying... that wasn't the point of my post.

Care to answer about the questions raised by your consistently suspecting those that suspect you, solely on the basis of their suspicions? The way I see it, that has nothing to do with roleplaying and yet it is my biggest problem with your playing so far.

You really want to know why? Here's why: Because I feel like it.

You really must come to understand that. I am not going to look for 'evidence'. There is none. Everything that you or anyone else comes up with is based on how you feel about certain things (for example, your own feeling, Farael, that there is a connection between Durelin, Boromir, and myself). You have no actual evidence. And you know what, I'm going on feeling as well.

So unless you come up with actual proof I'm a wolf, it's all just about how you feel that's at the core of the matter. And that is how my voting goes. I don't like being suspected, and I don't enjoy having to waste my time defending myself again and again, day after day. So I will vote for those that attack me and hope I can get rid of them. If they back off, so will I.

Either accept it, or don't. I no longer care whether you, or anyone else, does or not.

[Diamond18]

Boro, I'm a little confused about two things in your post.

I don't know if lynching Naria or CoD would be the best thing either. As I have yet to see why either of them our wolves. Grant it, I think it would clear away this Rune thing, if neither of them are wolves what good does that do?

Right now, the best clue about anything that I can see is the connection between Rune's death and Rune's posting, and that points to Naria as a wolf and CoD as an innocent, or vice versa, depending on how you interpret the wolves' kill psychology.

I forget who pointed it out, but wolves would gladly make a sacrifice to nab the Seer....especially when the Seer is the only gifted in the village and the wolves have the amount of success they have had so far.

'Twould be me who made that point. Does this mean you're in agreement that the wolves thought Rune a likely seer? Or wanted us to think they thought Rune a seer? If so, why do you not see why Naria (or CoD) could be a wolf?

At any rate, I'm going to stick with my plan from earlier and go ahead with my vote:

++Naria

[Boromir88]

Right now, the best clue about anything that I can see is the connection between Rune's death and Rune's posting, and that points to Naria as a wolf and CoD as an innocent, or vice versa, depending on how you interpret the wolves' kill psychology.
That all relies on the belief that you think the wolves believed Rune to be the Seer. I don't think so.

My point to objection of lets lynch one of these two to figured out the wolves plan and what they thought about Rune is don't you realize this thinking could spell out the end of us. What is happening today is a focus has gone on two individuals, there are 10 people in this village, which means you are ignoring 8 for today.

This idea just spells out disaster for me. What happens if the wolves are snickering as their plan has worked and we are crying for a lynching of two innoncents? Again we can't make the same mistakes we have done the first two days, and we don't have a lot of room left for error.

Let's say Naria is lynched and she's innocent, what does this prove? Does this prove that CoD is a wolf? No it doesn't, but what do we do?

It's completely possible, I am absolutely wrong here and that one, or even both, are wolves. But this idea of lets lynch one of them today is dangerous...especially if both are innocent. The focus that has gone on these two is dangerous, as you have ignored 80% of the people in this village...which I fear is falling right into the wolves plan.

'Twould be me who made that point. Does this mean you're in agreement that the wolves thought Rune a likely seer? Or wanted us to think they thought Rune a seer? If so, why do you not see why Naria (or CoD) could be a wolf?
No, I don't. I was pointing out that Farael's reasoning of if the wolves believed Rune was the seer, and he had named one of them, they would not have killed him. I was agreeing with the point made that wolves would gladly sacrifice one of their own if they feld they had the seer.

I don't think the wolves thought Rune was the seer. I think they indeed thought he was the Cobbler. Again, a cobbler can be just as effective dead as a live one. Looking at how today's gone so far, I think the wolves plan has gone all too well.

We're focusing on two people, ignoring the rest of the village, and basing our suspicions off of some flimsy reasoning. If I am convinced CoD or Naria is a wolf, I will vote for one of them. But right now I have a big fear the wolves are sitting back snickering as their two victims are in place for a lynch.

[Thinlómien]

A horrible idea just occured to me: what if Noggie and Boro are two of our three remaining wolves? :eek: ;)

[Nogrod]

Okay.

We can afford only one bad lynch. Not more. If we lynch an innocent toDay and toMorrow, we're dead all.

And everything surely looks quite confusing for now.

That also means that our Seer should think of the situation and consider the pros and cons of acting out. Surely it's her/his decision and s/he only knows whether it's worth it (is there information or not?).

But if we miss it toDay, then s/he will be our last hope - if alive...


I tend to agree with Boro here (no Lommy, it's not that, at least in my case) that the wolves made a good kill as all the discussion has been centered around a couple of people. We shouldn't try to discuss everyone all the time as that would just break off but surely we could spread this discussion a bit!

I'll promise to give it a try.

[Durelin]

It is quite possible that both are innocent, and possible that both are wolves.

But what do you suggest instead, Boro? You say that there are still 80% of us that aren't being looked at. But who of the 80% are you looking at?


I don't think the wolves thought Rune was the seer. I think they indeed thought he was the Cobbler.

Why would they think he was the Cobbler? CoD was looking like the Cobbler, with my pitiful voting record, they could have thought me to be the Cobbler. I thought Gurthang seemed Cobbler-like. Rune looked no more like the cobbler than anyone else. Maybe they did feel that maybe he was the Cobbler, but there's hardly so much reason for that as there is for them to view him either as a possible Seer, or simply as another pretty quiet person they wanted to lynch to continue their pattern, and secure the goal that you cited: leaving the loud ones to go for each others' throats.

Perhaps that was their only plan, though. Maybe the wolves were feeling quite well, taking out one by one the silent types and throwing the village into confusion. As Nogrod has pointed out, their killing pattern suggests that they felt pretty secure. And yet, why didn't they kill Naria or Volo before Rune? Maybe it was a random choice, or maybe it was the fact that no one really suspected Rune. No one was after Volo too much, either, though...and yesterday, though Naria got attention, we were all quite prepared to let her go for the time being.

But Rune's accusations make him stand out: not because of who he accused, but because of how he did it - with seemingly the utmost certainty. I can see why the wolves would be afraid he was the Seer. If the Seer knew for certain who one or two of the wolves were, might they risk being killed if they felt the village was in danger if they waited much longer? I think the wolves, at least, thought it quite possible that the Seer would act in such a way.

I will probably vote for either CoD or Naria, because I really do feel it is the best way to clear things up. If whoever we lynch turns out innocent...well, it will be a more difficult decision tomorrow whether or not to take our chances and lynch the other.

Volo has caught my attention with his really...weird...reasoning. I may end up voting for CoD myself, but I do not understand why he talks about how Nogrod seems innocent (and bases it largely on that other people have assumed him innocent since the start of the game) - but mentions that he doesn't like on of his lists and his vote for Anguirel on Day One - and then discusses how Farael seems innocent as well, only to vote for CoD. Huh? Too bad he seems to have disappeared again. And I suppose I'll have to cut him some slack because he seemed to be in a rush.


I tend to agree with Boro here (no Lommy, it's not that, at least in my case) that the wolves made a good kill as all the discussion has been centered around a couple of people. We shouldn't try to discuss everyone all the time as that would just break off but surely we could spread this discussion a bit!

What bothers me is that both you and Boro are saying we should spread the discussion, and yet neither of you have ventured to share with us who you feel it should be spread to. Those of us who are innocent do not know who should be considered and who shouldn't be, so simply saying we should spread our focus encompasses just about everyone. Being narrow-minded isn't good, I agree, but I had problems with Naria before Rune's death, and we've all had problems with CoD since Day One. If there is someone you feel is quite suspicious, I'd love to hear more ideas.

Edit:

I'll promise to give it a try.

Ah, sorry. I look forward to it.

I know there are things I missed, but this post is already too long.

[Thinlómien]

I know there are things I missed, but this post is already too long.In this village, I'd rather hear all people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make.

I'm quite confused and clueless at the moment. I will probably vote Naria, since I believe she's a wolf (based on Rune's death). Other than her, I have no real suspects and that is no good. The wolves are still all alive and there's three o' them, so having just one suspect quite sucks.

Boromir still gives me a bad feeling. I know I can't put my finger on it, but he disturbs me. And the whole idea of making a Borolysis horrifies me... (and probably Noggie too, who shares the computer and is currently in two ww-games... :))

Durelin, Farael, Valier, Di and Noggie all make sense and seem quite innocent (Farael and Durelin mainly based on their latest long posts, Valier, Noggie and Di more generally). They're all people I'm not very suspicious of. Now this is no good either since that is half of the village. (Of course one could argue that if I find five people innocentish + know I'm innocent myself, 3/4 of the ones left must be wolves if I'm right and I should be just happy of having narrowed my worry-about list quite effectively... :rolleyes: )
I see I'm making a mess of this, so simply put: I find these people innocentish but I feel uncomfortable with narrowing my suspect list with this big a group in this situation (7 of us against 3 of them), so I won't be doing it. If any of you is a wolf I congratulate for a convincing innocentishness.

So, with the innocentish five, innocent myself, vaguely suspicious Boro and suspicious Naria I'm left with Volo and CoD, of which at least one should be guilty if I'm correct about the innocentish five (which I'm not assuming). I don't particularly suspect Volo and CoD seems either mislead/-taken-innocentish or quite wolvish.The problem is that CoD being guilty kind of ruins the theory based on which I regard Naria suspicious... Hey! What if (I just realised there's a possibility of this) the wolves thought Rune to be seer (since he nailed Nariawolf) and assumed that seer-Rune's another dream was of a dead one and decided to kill him both to eliminate a possible seer and making CoD look innocent for the village. Now that I've put it "into paper" it seems quite unpossible (and I'm not even sure if it tactically makes sense), but we shouldn't forget the possibility. If that was the cause indeed, Rune was an ideal pick for them.

So, if I was to guess who the remaining wolves are, I'd say Naria, Boro and CoD or Volo, but I'm far from assured.

If you understood anything of this post or it made sense to you, I congratulate, for I see I managed to make it very confusing (but unfortunately I can't make it any clearer, blame either a freaky way of thinking and expressing thoughts or broken English...) ... :)

[Thinlómien]

In this village, I'd rather hear all people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make.I'm not sure if this can be understood, anyway, what I meant was "In this village, I'd rather hear all what people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make" or "In this village, I'd rather hear everything people have to say regardless of how long posts it will make".

[Nogrod]

Being in two games at the sametime (not intentional), sharing the computer with another WW-player (Lommy) and trying to live (RL) at the same time seems to be a challenge... :p

But this is what I have thought of in general terms.

Now looking at the way the wolves have made their picks would either tell us that a) they are utterly comfortable with their situation in the village
b) they were comfortable on Day1 but went after a possible seer Rune last Night.

Now a) would suggest that the wolves are among those who have not been seriously challenged so far. Making the list to look just too long for my taste... Lommy, Di, Valier, Volo would top that list of mine as those who have been suspected the least.

But that means not that those with some minor suspicions (Boro, Durelin, Farael) would not be wolves at all. If a) is true, I believe it would be a combination of the two groups.

If b) is true we should go for either Naria or CoD.

There surely are possibilities that transcend these two options but nevertheless as probably only one of them is a wolf - if either of them is.

What I would like to point out again, then.

As I said earlier it's funny to see that Durelin and Di built up the death of Anguirel (which I accept sealing). Durelin has been most vocal this time, really putting effort into being reasonable - as she has been. Possibly a special role of a wolf would do that? And Di is just so verbiose that you should never underestimate her skills either... I don't say there is something exact in their posts that would merit myself voting for them but the situation is more one of occasion. We seem to be so at loss with our possible suspects and they seem to be floating over all the hassle down here... I don't know.

Still I believe I'm not going to vote either of them toDay. I would need something more solid to it.

I might go for Naria too for reasons I will be posting in a minute. Just need to check the situation and to refresh my head with some thinking. I would love to bring a new believable wolf-candidate to the discussion but this looks pretty confusing.

What that means: the wolves are good ones.

[Nogrod]

My idea for voting Naria was based more on the way she had performed earlier on Day1. Now as I looked back to it I'm not so sure anymore.

Surely she posted some nonconsequentals and then trailed my idea about CoD by adding one more detail to it (CoD might be the cobbler - which turned out not so good idea in theory after a short while and was proven wrong in practise last Night). What made me look at it twice in the first place was the way she reacted around the village: posting some safe nonsense first and then trying to look reasonable by affirming a "theory" that had been brought forwards, staying quiet and in the shadows most of the time.

To this we still might add Lommy's theory about Rune being the wolves guess for Seer and Di's remarks on Naria actually not helping us at all (even though for a reason of being sick). It looks somewhat plausible, but something just tells me we are mislead again...

[Durelin]

So, if I was to guess who the remaining wolves are, I'd say Naria, Boro and CoD or Volo, but I'm far from assured.

I quite agree with your listing at this point. I wouldn't place too much of a bet on any of them, but if I had to.


Lommy, Di, Valier, Volo would top that list of mine as those who have been suspected the least.

And I'd like to add you somewhere on that list.

Edit: Cross-posted with Nogrod's second post.

[Volo]

I somehow feel less well with Nogrod now that I have read his posts again, I don't see any "points" in them.
Nogrod has been posting a lot, no doubt of that, but he has repeated things over and over, and that including mostly encouraging other players to make a point about this and that.
And he goes on the quiet players when he himself congratulates the wolves and talks about them being of the vocal players.
Nogrod's talk is agreeing or not agreeing with other players, but not telling anything new as a good player should.
He has time to be in WW, but he hasn't so far made any good points, or then I can't see them.

I have already once made a mistake on Nogrod for those same reasons (and you can't imagine how embarrassed I felt when after two weeks of certainty of catching a wolf I found out that he was a ranger instead), but...

I'll stay with CoD and add that I'm innocent, an innocent that is willing to die for the good of you other innocents, just I can't see what use you will have of me dying...

(I am not proud to be alive so long or anything as for the lack of time and not enough experience (that I do get by playing WW, and living) I am just a filler, I'll have a break from WW for a few weeks after this game until I maybe have enough time to do anything so demanding as WW on the computer, ignore this in the game)

[CaptainofDespair]

I have coursework to do, so I shall vote now in the event I do not find the time to post again.

++Naria

[Thinlómien]

I'm getting last minute bad feelings. My wits tell me to vote Naria, but my gut-feeling is actually that she maybe isn't bad after all. Really confusing. But I guess I'll still vote her, since I am suspicious of her and don't have very strong suspicions about any other person. I just hope my last-minute gut-feeling is wrong...

I somehow feel less well with Nogrod now that I have read his posts again, I don't see any "points" in them. I disagree, take the "CoD tries to play the seer" for an example.

Nogrod has been posting a lot, no doubt of that, but he has repeated things over and over, and that including mostly encouraging other players to make a point about this and that. A good point, I haven't apparently focused on that.
And he goes on the quiet players when he himself congratulates the wolves and talks about them being of the vocal players. :D That sounds rather funny.

. . . an innocent that is willing to die for the good of you other innocents, just I can't see what use you will have of me dying...If you're innocent then the best thing you can do to us is to stay alive and discuss and make points about possible wolves, not die.
(I am not proud to be alive so long or anything as for the lack of time and not enough experience (that I do get by playing WW, and living) I am just a filler, I'll have a break from WW for a few weeks after this game until I maybe have enough time to do anything so demanding as WW on the computer, ignore this in the game)Now, what's that?

[Boromir88]

Durelin, while I haven't noticed Nogrod naming anyone else (which gets me wondering) I have. The main person being Farael whom I'm highly suspicious of.

For some others. Lommy worried me at the beginning of the day, but lately that's lessened quite a bit...especially because of this:
A horrible idea just occured to me: what if Noggie and Boro are two of our three remaining wolves?
May seem odd, but I'm not like CoD who just suspects anyone who goes after himself.

The other person that I'm growing more concerned about is Volo, who seemingly is all over the place. First he says Nogrod is too bold to be a wolf as he is coming out and establishing arguments against people. He believed a wolf would not do such a thing. (I disagreed, especially when we're talking about Nogrod). Now he's come out and said that there really is no point to Nogrod's posts.

You also ask why the wolves haven't killed so far the quiet ones like Naria or Volo. I think either:

1) Naria or Volo (or both are wolves) hence they have not been killed yet. This I think is more likely in Volo's case who is completely everywhere.

2) This I feel is more likely with Naria, she's an easy target for a lynch. Simply kill Rune to get people to think the wolves believed he was the seer and the people will cry Naria's a wolf...lynch her. Hence, why she hasn't been killed, as she hasn't been feeling well and presumably not be able to put up much of a defense. Which would benefit the wolves in two ways to keep her around. It would first create a crisis of uncertainty in the village. Do we think Naria's a wolf? Eventhough she's been under the weather, this doesn't mean she isn't a wolf, yet we feel bad if she turns out to be innocent. But do to the circumstances, we actually won't know until Naria is lynched. The other benefit again, an easy lynch candidate for the next day.

I would much rather see Farael lynched. However, if it comes down to it, I will vote for Naria to save CoD. CoD seems more valuable to have than Naria. Regrettably Naria is not feeling well, but because of this she isn't going to be much help and will remain a thorn in our side.

[Nogrod]

We seem to have all options open, happily. If I got it right, the voting stands now at:

Volo --> CoD (CoD1)
Di --> Naria (CoD1, Naria1)
CoD --> Naria (CoD1, Naria2)

I share the nervousness of voting Naria here as voiced by Lommy. We can afford only one bad decision. And we shouldn't make even that.

I somehow feel less well with Nogrod now that I have read his posts again, I don't see any "points" in them.
Nogrod has been posting a lot, no doubt of that, but he has repeated things over and over, and that including mostly encouraging other players to make a point about this and that.Maybe you should lead the way then and make the points? I think I have made as many points I could have. ToDay has been a bad one for this game as I have not been able to hang around here as much I would have liked to. That is a thing I don't like but can't change it either...

CoD has dropped in again with more than a troubling vote. He might be an innocent as well even if we all didn't share his overall attitrude to the game...

Farael's analysis of CoD and all he put into it was somewhat eyebrow-raising. I just can't say I agree with all his points or their ingenuinety. Maybe he's the wolf now (that might bite to Durelin also) and tries to look extra helpful by committing the effort to it?

Sorry, I seem to be in the darkness - and whether Volo likes it or not - I will still ask for you others for some opinions. We still have time (although myself and Lommy will share the computer and can't be online at the same time)

X'd with Boro

[Nogrod]

I would feel a bit more secure with voting Farael than Naria or CoD...

[Thinlómien]

I think Naria should die, because if she's a wolf (as my reason tells me), we've got one of them.
If she's an innocent, we still have one more chance to lynch a wolf and we won't be spending the day to speculating about her, which we have mostly done today.

Henceforth:

++Naria

[Boromir88]

7 people are yet to vote. I don't know who's here (except Lommy on Nogrod). I don't want a mass cross-posting cross-voting confusion. What do we want to do?

Farael I also feel more comfortable voting for instead of CoD or Naria, but we have to know what we're going to do, so we nor the wolves can botch anything here at the end.

Edit: x-posted with Lommy

[Valier]

Only a little time left now....What is everyone who hasn't voted thinking?

I am leaning towards CoD. I have had some suspicion of him the whole game. When I thought that Rune could be the seer and he said that CoD was innocent just because, I thought he must have dreamt of him and found him innocent. I was unsure if the Seer would see the Cobbler as an innocent or as the Cobbler. So I thought that there was still a chance that CoD was bad, just not a wolf....then when Rune turned out to be the Cobbler, it just put my thoughts right back to CoD being evil. With his behavior today after Rune's death it just kinda reaffirms my suspicions. He seems agitated and a bit testy. For example... So unless you come up with actual proof I'm a wolf, it's all just about how you feel that's at the core of the matter. And that is how my voting goes. I don't like being suspected, and I don't enjoy having to waste my time defending myself again and again, day after day. So I will vote for those that attack me and hope I can get rid of them. If they back off, so will I.

I don't want to just Naria slide, but I hate to vote for someone who hasn't been around to defend themselves. That's not saying that she isn't a wolf, just that I think the possibility of CoD being a wolf is higher at the moment. If Naria doesn't die and doesn't show up tomorrow then yes she warrants my vote for nonparticipation.

[Nogrod]

Sorry! I posted as Lommy as I hadn't remembered to log in as myself...

I deleted it.

Shortly.

Naria3, CoD1

Some competition might reveal last moment reactions for toMorrow if we get it wrong...

[Valier]

Well I'm not going to wait...I hope we catch a wolf either way today. *crosses fingers*

++CoD

[Nogrod]

ToMorrow look at the unsuspected. Please do.

Now we will have to pick on these three I'm afraid (Naria, CoD, Farael).

I might go for the last one...

X'd with Valier

[Nogrod]

And do not forget Valier! She has made a difference in two late votes already that have turned in a way I haven't liked... whatever that might tell... ;)

[Boromir88]

I'm going with:

++Farael

[CaptainofDespair]

Well I'm not going to wait...I hope we catch a wolf either way today. *crosses fingers*

++CoD

Go ahead and lynch me.

But nothing under my rock will you find.

[Nogrod]

Let's try it...

++ Farael

[Durelin]

Alright, thankfully I am able to be here before the deadline...though it appears a horrible mess if not everyone votes.

So, in addition to CoD and Naria, some (namely Nogrod and Boro) are looking at Volo and Farael. I have been looking at Volo, but I actually find his last post less suspicious. It really has the appearance of being genuinely a little haphazard, which I think might speak of his innocence.

I feel like Volo's whole "I'm an innocent" spiel, while troubling, is unlike a wolf. That never fails to draw attention to yourself, though perhaps one might think it would draw sympathy (even if only subconsciously) from people. And with all three wolves still alive, perhaps they are feeling bold enough to draw quite a bit of attention to themselves.

I cannot get a read on Farael at all. I don't agree with his reasoning, but I have no reason to think he is a wolf.

With that having been said, I will stick with my original thoughts and feelings.

++Naria

If Naria is innocent...well then, tomorrow will be rough.

Edit: Needless to say, I cross-posted with a few...I suppose Naria's fate is sealed.

[Nogrod]

Thumbs up... :(

[Durelin]

Whoa, what's up with CoD?! I'm tempted to change my vote, but it's too late now.

[JennyHallu]

The day's discussion was loud and heated. Finally, however, the club members came to a conclusion. Naria was simply going to have to go.

Naria did not even arrive to plead for her life. When the club members found her, she was curled up in her tent, still abed.

"Naria," Lommy asked, tentatively, not sure how her question would be received under the circumstances, "are you feeling all right?"

"No," snarled Naria, whose appearance was undergoing a rapid and unsettling shift. "I have a bad case of lycanthropy!"

The club members screamed and scattered. Only three remained, standing firmly against the attack of their former friend. Two were musicians, and had always been special friends of Naria, Diamond and Farael, and the other was Durelin, who made it a point to never back down, never surrender.

"How do you tune a flute?" asked Diamond rhetorically.

"Shoot the flautist," answered Farael grimly.

Durelin nodded and leveled her blaster.

One wolf would no longer harm the club members.



Dead

JennyHallu - Club President - Bound and collated on Night 1
Folwren - Vice-President - Used for ink on Night 1
Anguirel - Innocent - Misspelled on Day 1
Rikae - Innocent - Buried alive on Night 2
Gurthang - Innocent - Fell from grace on Day 2
Rune - Cobbler - Given a permanent assignment on Night 3
Naria - Werewolf - Tuned permanently on Day 3

Alive

Boromir88 - Fuller - all the NPCs
CaptainofDespair - Pompous Nobleman - Melneras, the Gnomish Archwizard
Diamond - librarian - Dia'l Na Mon the Half Elven Enchantress and Wielder of Azgalthro the Rapping Sword
Durelin - StarCaptain - William Shatner
Farael - Heavy-metal singer - sneak
Nogrod - Retired General - Ciryatan of the Dúnedain, a one-legged Athelas vendor
Thinlomien - aging homeless sot - Lothwen the Pretty, elven flowermaid
Valier - Radical Hair Butcher - Elven Anoonnoon of Omicron Persieye 8
Volo - teleseller - Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul tha half-balrog, wielding a multitude of sharp pointy objects.

Sorry that I must make use of such a bad joke, but my husband the bando has no other ideas.

Wolves, make your kill, Seer, dream your dream, let's go.

[JennyHallu]

Diamond spent the night peacefully, humming to herself in defiance of the tuneless interference of her sword.

It would be perfectly honest to say that Diamond was a lovely young woman, and when two voices rose in harmony outside her door, it seemed natural to her to step out and see who serenaded her, but that natural curiosity quickly turned to dismay as the innocent song took a dark turn.

“What can I do, my dear, to catch your ear
I love you madly, madly Madam Librarian...Marian!
Heaven help us if the library caught on fire
And the Volunteer Hose Brigademen
Had to whisper the news to Marian...Madam Librarian!”

One of her tormentors produced a torch and set fire to her tent as the young woman whirled to face the danger.

“What can I say, my dear, to make it clear
I need you badly, badly, Madam Librarian...Marian
If you stumbled and you busted your what-you-may-call-it
You could lie on the floor
'Till your body had turned to carrion....Madam Librarian.”

The second of her tormentors pushed her hard, and she stumbled backwards, falling down hard in the open doorway of her open tent. The fire was beginning to blaze merrily.

“Now in the moonlight, a man could sing it
In the moonlight
And a fellow would know that his darling
Had heard ev'ry word of his song
With the moonlight helping along.
But when I try in here to tell you, dear
I love you madly, madly, Madam Librarian...Marian

It's a long lost cause I can never win
For the civilized world accepts as unforgivable sin
Any talking out loud with any librarian
Such as Marian.....Madam Librarian.”

Both gagged her, working quickly as the heat rose. No one would hear her cries for help.

~*~

No one remembered, the next morning, who had risen the cries for help. They remembered only the long fight to douse the flames threatening the campsite, made more difficult by silence and mistrust. When the last spark had been put out, they quietly shoveled all the ashes from Diamond’s tentsite into a grave. Not enough remained to be sure they buried only her.

Only six of the eight who stood exhausted in the predawn gleamings were innocent.

Dead

JennyHallu - Club President - Bound and collated on Night 1
Folwren - Vice-President - Used for ink on Night 1
Anguirel - Innocent - Misspelled on Day 1
Rikae - Innocent - Buried alive on Night 2
Gurthang - Innocent - Fell from grace on Day 2
Rune - Cobbler - Given a permanent assignment on Night 3
Naria - Werewolf - Tuned permanently on Day 3
Diamond - Innocent - Dia'l Na Mon the Half Elven Enchantress and Wielder of Azgalthro the Rapping Sword

Alive

Boromir88 - Fuller - all the NPCs
CaptainofDespair - Pompous Nobleman - Melneras, the Gnomish Archwizard
Durelin - StarCaptain - William Shatner
Farael - Heavy-metal singer - sneak
Nogrod - Retired General - Ciryatan of the Dúnedain, a one-legged Athelas vendor
Thinlomien - aging homeless sot - Lothwen the Pretty, elven flowermaid
Valier - Radical Hair Butcher - Elven Anoonnoon of Omicron Persieye 8
Volo - teleseller - Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul tha half-balrog, wielding a multitude of sharp pointy objects.

[CaptainofDespair]

Alas, poor Diamond. Those putrid wolves have struck again, and against one who had helped the village oust the scourge of Naria.

But nevertheless, we have killed a wolf. Bravo!

Now, who do we turn our eyes on next? At the moment, as a continuation of yesterday's thoughts, I am heavily inclined to look at Farael, though Valier does present a tempting choice.

[Nogrod]

This truly is a headbanger...

But there are rays of light beginning to emerge.

We won one Day more!

Happily the Seer is still living and has now at least one known innocent, possibly others.


YesterDay's voting makes interesting read: Diamond, CoD, Lommy, Durelin all voted for Naria.

I wouldn't put it past all of them to perform a wolf-on-wolf -vote at this stage of the game (they were and are still quite strong) as it would really make one look good. And only Durelin's vote looks like it could raise eyebrows as it was made two minutes before the deadline and assuming Farael was not doing a miraculous last minute entry to favour the one Durelin would vote (other than Naria), then it was the safest vote ever for a wolf to cast! Easy jump on a doomed fellow and gaining the trust of all... Well, actually her last post kind of makes her look innocent.

On the other side of the coin:
Volo's vote for CoD at that part of Day and voting could be seen as really safe one.

Valier voted for CoD with points but also put her words extremely carefully concerning Naria. A wolf would act just like that. (And her voting record looks as bad as mine!)

Boro went after Farael with points behind him and probably with my assurance that I might pick that train too if it would be opened. An innocent would act like that but also a wolf would love to take that chance.

Myself, I voted for Farael too. I thought there were good reasons to lynch Naria, not the least Lommy's theory about Rune's death. But at the last meters it just started feeling bad (she wasn't there to answer herself etc. and we had seemingly been in blind alleys so far and so my confidence just broke and I started thinking whether our wolves would be those we have not suspected so far).

Farael did not vote...


What I mean?

Even if we have bought us a new Day we still are not well off here. I myself would like to start inqueries from the latter bunch of people (non-Naria voters eg. Volo, Valier, Boro, Farael). But if good points emerge I will not tie myself to it.

[CaptainofDespair]

To let everyone know, Durelin's internet has failed and she does not know if she will be able to post tonight, and her time may be limited tomorrow.

~*~

Nogrod, I agree with a bit of your logic on Boromir. I think a wolf could act like that, and probably would if given the chance. I'm not sure what to make of Boro, though.

Figuring out these remaining wolves will be difficult, especially given that they've targeted someone a little more outspoken than the fringe players they've been killing to this point. Maybe the fringe players are the wolves, and in killing the last non-wolf ones (Volo maybe being the last?) off reveals them too much?

[Durelin]

Nevermind, I'm here.


Happily the Seer is still living and has now at least one known innocent, possibly others.

Yep, I'm surprised I lasted this long. I'm your Seer.

And I can tell you that your logic on Boromir is right on: he is a wolf. And let me tell you, it's been heck to try and keep quiet enough about him to not draw too much attention to myself.

Here is who I have dreamed of:

Night One: Boromir
Night Two: Rikae (as you can see, that did me a lot of good...and I knew that was going to happen)
Night Three: Naria
Night Four: Nogrod

Obviously Rikae was innocent, Naria was a wolf.

Nogrod is innocent.

I want to apologize for yesterday: I knew of two wolves by then, but did not speak out. Why? Because I felt like Naria was a likely goner anyway, and I knew that, with a fellow wolf on the line, the other two wolves would be much more likely to stand out, slip up, whatever. And, of course, I wanted another Night to dream. It was insanely nerve-wracking trying to figure out who to dream of, and it came down to being between Nogrod and Valier. I thought about rolling a die to pick which one, but instead ended up going for Nogrod. I wish in a way that I had rolled the die, because flipping a coin on Day One to decide between Ang and Boro ended quite well...

I wanted to dream of Nogrod because I knew he would bother me. I thought it unlikely he would be a wolf when he voted with Boro, but I also thought it a possible 'double bluff' thing...and that would have driven me crazy, not knowing, particularly because he is so out-spoken.

I wanted to dream of Valier because I find her a likely wolf candidate. But I think Volo and Farael are likely enough, too. Boromir could have been trying to distance himself from Farael in raising suspicion of him and voting for him twice, but I find that a little too excessive to be very likely. Volo is a possibility, but I really cannot tell. I find Valier's behavior more wolf-like, and I have noticed very little if any interaction between Val and Boro.

Okay...so why am I coming out now? Because I just can't stand the stress anymore, that's why! :p I was horribly tempted to try and last another Night, because I so want to catch the last wolf, but...by tomorrow, with two innocents possibly down (and with a fine possibility that I might be killed in the Night)...that's just cutting it way too close. I'd also be placing my bets on dreaming of the last wolf, or at least clearing a key innocent. And I'm not much of a gambler.

So...here I am. Sorry for being late, and all those who died to further my purpose.

If you'd like an explanation of my behavior, here's one in short: I wanted to stay alive in both respects. I wanted the wolves to like me because I was just a stupid villager, but I wanted to seem innocent, too...the result: well...whatever it was I was doing.

If you don't believe me...we're screwed. ;)

So, you going to put up a fight, Boro. :smokin:

Edit: Okay, so "likely goner" in reference to Naria was an exaggeration. I waited so long to vote for a reason. :P

[Boromir88]

You escaped our grasp long enough Durelin...I will give you that. You did good, we had no idea. We thought Diamond was it for sure.

See I kind of thought you were the wretched Seer, but when you said things like I lightened some of your suspicion and you went after innocents I thought for sure you weren't...I can't congradulate you because it means my end...but you get the idea.

If only there was no seer, oh what could bE? :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

I could be of some help...perhaps with some promises that you will kill me nicely and not mutilate my body I may be of some service to let you know who my partner is.

[Farael]

Well, first of all, I have to say that my non-voting has nothing to do with my role. It is not something I planned, sadly I thought that the deadline was 5 PM my time (when I'm almost always home) and instead it is 4 PM (when I GET home... which means that if my bus is running late, or if anything else comes up I'll miss it) I've been gambling with that since I don't like voting early, nor retracting my vote, but so far it hasn't worked out for me.

You can believe me or not, that's not up to me, but I thought I should let you know.

Durelin my apologies... it seems my group of three was 33% right (at least, I'm still not sold on CoD's innocense, after all, Borowolf has protected him quite often and agreed with him. Say what you want, Boro IS smart enough to try to drag an ordo along with him, but it's also possible that he was trying to protect his friend.

I don't really have time now for a proper analysis of Boro but someone ([B]Nogrod, if you have time, since you are our only known Ordo... or Durelin if you can, since you are our Seer) may want to do it.

Ok, I can't really concentrate here... I'll wait for a charitable soul to analyze Borowolf and Naria too while we are at it.

Edit:P.S: you may all want to ignore Boromir from now on... don't try to read anything into what he says, since he knows it's game over for him and he'll try to confuse us

[Boromir88]

Farael, don't be so harsh, you don't think I want to help?

[Farael]

Farael, don't be so harsh, you don't think I want to help?
Yeah, but not help US... you want to help your wolfriend.

By the way, I should have gone with my gut instinct and gone banshee on Boromir... sadly CoD was a more "rational" choice. I shouldn't think, I should just vote for whoever seems the fishiest...

[Boromir88]

You shouldn't go 'banshee' on CoD, he's not my buddy.

Farael you might as well give up the act...it's over. But, if you don't want to your secret's safe with me. ;)

[Thinlómien]

Good wolf-spotting, Durelin.

Well, I'm glad I noticed there was something amiss with Boro and I'm even more glad that Dury came out since now I don't have to do the borolysis in order to be more sure of his guilt (or clear my suspicions of him)... :)

So
innocent
Durelin - seer
Nogrod - ordo

guilty
Boro - wolf

unknowns
Farael
Valier
CoD
Volo
Lommy

Now this game might last a lot longer than I thought it would yesterday.

As to the final wolf, I'm not so sure anymore (though I suspect CoD and Volo still the most), I'm going to read through the whole village probably and see how Farael, Valier, CoD and Volo interact with Boro and Naria and what do they actually say.

[Boromir88]

since now I don't have to do the borolysis in order to be more sure of his guilt (or clear my suspicions of him)...
Don't fret...I get that a lot. It seems like no matter where I'm at or what I do now-adays I'm always a wolf. I mean I can lynch two wolves and say I'm the seer, and people will obviously think I'm a wolf. (Do you think the avatar does it? Because I mean I can get rid of Mr. Coyote) :rolleyes:

That's for sure, if it wasn't for Durelin...I wonder how long we could have kept this village running in circles. Even with the regrettable loss and illness of Naria we were feeling pretty good.

As Lommy correctly points out the unknowns and possible wolf partners:
Farael
Valier
CoD
Volo
Lommy
Which one of these is the lucky one?

Are double lynchings allowed? We can get this thing over today if you just want to lynch me and Valier...oops I mean Volo.

You can toss CoD out of that list...I can tell you with definite certainty it's not him.

[Nogrod]

Good spotting Durelin and very reasonable timing! *aplodes*

And so sorry Boromir, you seem to be on the lynch-line nowadays... :( :D
(but you have been able to enjoy "villainship" too...)


So toDay we lynch Boromir... like this:

++ Boromir

During the Night Durelin will die and we have 5 innocents (of whom one is known) against one wolf toMorrow. So everyone will then know oneself and me. That leaves a choice of 1 from 4 to everyone. And only one will be knowingly distracting us.

We have chances, yes, but only two of them. If we get it wrong toMorrow we are reduced by two of which the other one is me.

So then the last Day would be 3 against 1. They will have to make it. Otherwise the lonely wolf champions.

~~~~~

I'm having a frenzied day (RL) today and will not be able to post much, but happily toDay is kind of a pause-day anyhow as we know now what to do. I'll promise to go through Boro's interactions toMorrow (it's a piece of work and I wouldn't like to do it hastily).

But still I think that we all could use this Day according to our resources, getting ready to face toMorrow. It would be especially nice if Durelin could leave her last marks to this village as sadly she will not be here toMorrow anymore.

PS. Farael is right in one thing. We might do well not taking to account what Boro says toDay.

[Thinlómien]

++Boromir

If he gets majority votes before the deadline, can he be removed immediately and banned from posting in this thread? ;) :D

(I'm getting the feeling he actually enjoys posting toDay enormously since he can banter and speak silly things as much as he wishes since his fate is sealed and he seems to love trying to confuse everyone too...)

[Nogrod]

(I'm getting the feeling he actually enjoys posting toDay enormously since he can banter and speak silly things as much as he wishes since his fate is sealed and he seems to love trying to confuse everyone too...)Actually I quite enjoy reading Boro's posting toDay! :)

We just should ignore them when we try to find out who's the last wolf...

[Thinlómien]

Actually I quite enjoy reading Boro's posting toDay! :)
We just should ignore them when we try to find out who's the last wolf... I confess being amused too, but I think they will nevertheless (at least subconsciously) affect my opinions, which shouldn't happen.

After a quick reread, my commentary about the unknowns
Valier - seems really sincere and innocent-valierish, but she has fooled me before, so I won't say anything about her
Farael - could be the last wolf. Sometimes sounds very sincere, sometimes not.
Volo - is a tough one to read. Honestly, what can you make of such a mess of unorganised thoughts that often contradict with each other? (no offense :)) He accuses on quite flimsy grounds, but that does not necessarily point to wolvishness. (In his case, at least. :)) His declaration of his innocence sounds quite sincere though.
CoD - really, if you reread it, his behaviour screams "wolf". Especially post 158 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=497529&postcount=158) is extremely wolfy. Boro's behaviour towards him speaks for his wolvishness too; he seems to be "shielding" him all the time. boro knows he is a generally trusted and a reasonable-held ww-player, so he constantly tries to get the attention off CoD, but not too straightly. Read through his posts, it really shows very clearly. The only reason I'm not willing to stamp the wolf label on coD just yet is Naria's behaviour towrds him. First, she accuses him of cobbelrism (the first thin that comes to your mind that you would say of your fellow wolf?). Then, having not read a single post on the thread (or that's the impression I got) she pops in and votes CoD. Why, if he was her fellow wolf? What kind of wolf would vote her pal who had almost gotten lynched the day before without first checking the situation? Answer: a very bold and rare wolf...

So, "order of wolvishness" in my opinion
1. CoD
2. Farael and Volo (divided)
4. Valier

[Durelin]

Aw, Boro's being such a good sport!

Perhaps I should have dreamt of CoD instead of Rikae, but I was fairly certain he wasn't a wolf...and still am. I am a little familiar with CoD's tactics, and his ancestor played in, as far as I can tell, the same (in my opinion very careless) way when he was the Ranger. Not that that necessarily means anything. I also know CoD can be a good liar.

Personally, I'm thinking Boro's going with reverse psychology: by blatantly saying "CoD is innocent," he's more than placing it in our heads "lynch CoD." He hasn't mentioned Farael yet, but I suppose trying to get anything from his behavior will be impossible.

For me, Valier and Farael come out on top. It's just not fair! I feel like there is so little to go on with the people remaining I believe to be wolves. So far this game, my gut feelings have been right (though my voting record certainly doesn't show it), so I'm tempted to rant about Valier and forget about the others. But I really don't know. I wish I had more time to go over the thread right now...I will have to later, though. I am unfortunately going to be gone until an hour, maybe two before the deadline! So I will try my best to leave with something intelligent...though I don't guaruntee anything. I will go through the thread from top to bottom.

Hopefully we'll actually hear from everyone today.

(And I hope I get to dream before I am killed, just so I can know whether or not we are doomed ahead of time...then I will have more time to get settled and "rest in peace." :D)

[Farael]

Personally, I'm thinking Boro's going with reverse psychology: by blatantly saying "CoD is innocent," he's more than placing it in our heads "lynch CoD." He hasn't mentioned Farael yet, but I suppose trying to get anything from his behavior will be impossible.


Durelin you are playing with fire right now... if there's any time Boromir may attempt a multiple bluff it is right now. He knows that in spite of ourselves, at least some of us will over-analyze his words... and it's just as likely that he'll try to make his partner look innocent (after all, he wouldn't be THAT obvious, right?) as it is that he'll make him or her look wolfish (after all, we wouldn't believe him, would we?) as it is that he'll just avoid to mention his or her name and have us running in circles.

For all I care right now, Boromir is a source of amusement, not of information. I strongly suggest that you ignore him as well.

[Nogrod]

For all I care right now, Boromir is a source of amusement, not of information. I strongly suggest that you ignore him as well.I fully agree!

[Boromir88]

If he gets majority votes before the deadline, can he be removed immediately and banned from posting in this thread?
You admit to being amused...so why would you want that? Plus I'm giving out such a great amount of information.

(I'm getting the feeling he actually enjoys posting toDay enormously since he can banter and speak silly things as much as he wishes since his fate is sealed and he seems to love trying to confuse everyone too...)
Quite true.

Though, this may be one of my last posts today...it shall surely be one you are going to want to look into.

Don't listen to Farael I mean after all I am now proven innocent (from my perspective)...you all know my identity...but you don't know Farael's. So, would this not make me more trusting?

If I was an innocent I would really be concerned about Farael and Lommy over there...Aye the one's that are acting all good and just in getting rid of me, they're the one's to look at.

Valier would scare me even more...she's Miss silent assassin wolf over there.

When Volo appears he'll likely come on here, denounce my name and vote for me...mildly supsicious wolf behaviour.

I've already talked about CoD

Personally, I'm thinking Boro's going with reverse psychology: by blatantly saying "CoD is innocent," he's more than placing it in our heads "lynch CoD." He hasn't mentioned Farael yet, but I suppose trying to get anything from his behavior will be impossible.~Durelin
When do I ever play mind games Durelin? Or at least not intentionally. It's your job to figure out who it is, but I can't be leaving any more possible clues. I mean I can't just tell you it's Volierommy....oops. I bet your my partner right now is just thinking 'I wish he'd just shut up' because I can't be giving any more clues than I am now.

[Volo]

I'll just jump over the stuff that has been said about me, because I'd just make things even more confusing. But why am I not suspicous enough? I didn't say a single thing about Naria during the whole game...

But back to trying talking sense. Farael seems really wolf, now that Naria is proven evil. Or then the wolves are really lucky. Farael was so much against CoD that I at least felt that CoD would be lynched, he then wasn't and now I can't call him wolf, it was either him or Naria.

Have to run away... ->

EDIT: xd with Boro... :/

[Farael]

Jenny when you write up today's narration, could you please have me stick an apple on Boromir's mouth to make him silent already? :p

How does being proven a wolf make you more reliable than an unknown? I should stop interacting with you or else I'll get my butt lynched, but you are just too amusing.

Can anyone explain Volo's last post? S/he (is Volo a he or a she?) seems to be in a hurry, but I just can't make sense of what s/he just said.

In spite of my (ongoing) suspicions for CoD I have to admit he is an unlikely wolf... furthermore, Loomy seems innocent, even if a little all over the place. I know that I'm an ordo but you don't, yet for me this means that the options for the remaining wolf are Valier and Volo. I don't quite see what so many people find suspicious about Valier if anything I have nothing to go on in favour of or against her. That on itself is "something" but I find Volo much more disturbing. The few posts s/he has made are highly confusing, which could be because of his/her busy RL, or be a wolfish tactic.

I think we should start analyzing Tomorrow. Boromir is as good as dead, and sadly so is our Seer Durelin. If Boromir does not get all votes today I'll be surprised, and if Durelin survives the night... well, I'll be mightly pleased.

Which reminds me
++Boromir

Look mommy... I managed to get a vote in before the deadline!

What shall we do tomorrow? the village is going to look like this:
Known Ordo
Nogrod
Unknowns
Valier
Volo
CoD
Loomy
Myself

The day after, odds are the village will be
Unknowns-1
3 ordos, 1 wolf
Unless we lynch the wolf tomorrow.

That means that the day after will be the last day (one lynch, one kill at night and we get 1 wolf and 1 villager, wolf wins).

I don't know what the main suspects for Tomorrow's lynching should be, but if anyone (Nogrod/Durelin if possible, as I said before) has the time to go through Boromir's posts, we might be able to find something out. Thanks to Durelin odds are in our favour... specially with regards to Boromir who, in spite of my best efforts, would have never been lynched.

[JennyHallu]

I've already decided how Boro dies, so all suggestions and requests shall be ignored. Besides, I don't want him to shut up unless he wishes. This is deliciously entertaining.

[Farael]

I've already decided how Boro dies, so all suggestions and requests shall be ignored. Besides, I don't want him to shut up unless he wishes. This is deliciously entertaining.
I was just joking around m'lady... I would dare not tell you what to do in your village.

Why is everyone so silent? I have to go to clas soon and I'll be busy for most of the day after that.

[CaptainofDespair]

++Boromir

Well, apparently Naria's death hasn't gotten the heat off my poor self. And it seems that I'm at the top of everyone's lists as being Boromir's accomplice.

So, if you all want to lynch me after Boromir, go ahead. I'm not going to put up anymore defenses. It simply isn't necessary for me to do so.

And it's not like anyone is going to believe me...

Edit: And Durelin, since when am I a good liar?

[Valier]

Sorry about my lateness, My internet has been down due to work in my area and I may or may not be able to get on again today. First off, way to go Durelin!!! I really wish you would have dreamt of me last night so my name could be cleared and I can get down to wolf hunting today and not have to defend myself. I totally understand that there are only five people left that are unknown. I know I am one of them, but I think some of the others are way more suspicious than I am or have been. CoD's behavior today makes me still think that he could indeed be the last wolf. Why all of a sudden say I am a tempting choice for a vote? once again proving my point that you want to kill people who vote or suspect you.Then you completely ignore that for the rest of the day and proceed to say "Go ahead, kill me, I won't defend myself any longer." Even if he is an Ordo his behavior and actions have not helped us innocents at all. All he wants to do is vote for people who vote for him. And why has he been on the top of everyones suspect list, and almost lynched, but now he gets away? If he is indeed the last wolf, he will get off scott free because everyone thinks his behavior is too outlandish for a wolf.

Volo is a hard one to read, He was gone for a couple days and has not contributed much, but confusing posts, so he is still high on my wolf list.

Farael brings up the rear for me....He does seem helpful, but his interaction with Boromir is fishy. It almost seems like you actually, truly want him to shutup....Getting a little nervous are we?

Also I wanted to bring up Lommy. I always want to agree with her points and sometimes that is my downfall. So yesterday, I thought to myself after rereading that lommy could be the Seer. She seemed so sure about Naria that after Naria was reveiled to be a wolf, her votes and posts seem almost to good. Only a wolf would know for sures that Naria was a wolf. Not that my suspicion of her is high today, but still, I thought that warrented a look.

Now Boromir.....Holy cow....this is the most talk from a know wolf ever. Nice try, but nothing you say holds true, I will not heed anything you have to say. Bye bye wolfie.

++Boromir88

[Valier]

So, if you all want to lynch me after Boromir, go ahead. I'm not going to put up anymore defenses. It simply isn't necessary for me to do so.

Curious...why isn't it necessary? Running out of ways to defend yourself?

[Boromir88]

It's no secret now Farael, you want me to shut up...afraid I might spill something, eh, buddy?

Durelin is the smart one here...it's just like poker, you want your opponent to talk to give up the strength of his hand. You want to find out my cohort, the best way is to get me to talk. It's clear Durelin knows this importance...I don't know if anyone else does though.

I'll help you out more...what I've said today is 1000 times more valuable than anything I've said in the prior days combined...yep...it's true. :D

I'm going to vote for:

++Thinlomien

Anyone want to end this thing by tomorrow? You can retract your votes, vote for Thinlomien (whom is my crime cohort - I promise) and then lynch me tomorrow since you all know I'm a wolf.

If no one wants to follow me in lynching Thinlomien, I'll be up for Volo, he seems anxious to get out of here...he's my partner - I promise.

[CaptainofDespair]

Curious...why isn't it necessary? Running out of ways to defend yourself?

Thank you for proving my point, Valier.

You will see my reasoning at the bottom of my last post. But I will reiterate: It is not necessary because no one listens.

I have offered my defense before, and if you still refuse to believe it, or even look at it for what it is, then it is not my problem.

[Boromir88]

Now Boromir.....Holy cow....this is the most talk from a know wolf ever. Nice try, but nothing you say holds true, I will not heed anything you have to say. Bye bye wolfie.

++Boromir88

Valier...don't worry I'll find a way to get you back for the betrayal you just committed. I can't believe it. This is definitely not what we had discussed.

CoD, don't lose hope, if you listen to me, they won't dare lynch you.

[CaptainofDespair]

CoD, don't lose hope, if you listen to me, they won't dare lynch you.

Hope? Who said anything about hope? And why would I not want to be lynched? I never had any plans of surviving til the last day. If anything, I should berate you for not killing me earlier. It would have saved me a lot of wasted effort.

[Volo]

But back to trying talking sense. Farael seems really wolf, now that Naria is proven evil. Or then the wolves are really lucky. Farael was so much against CoD that I at least felt that CoD would be lynched, he then wasn't and now I can't call him wolf, it was either him or Naria.

Explaining again:

Farael tried turn attention away from the wolf-Naria by writing such an analysis about CoD, who was a rather suspicious fellow just like Naria. In other words, Farael tried to save Naria, or would that have any sense in it? I can't imagine CoD being a wolf after this.

[Farael]

Farael tried turn attention away from the wolf-Naria by writing such an analysis about CoD, who was a rather suspicious fellow just like Naria. In other words, Farael tried to save Naria, or would that have any sense in it? I can't imagine CoD being a wolf after this.
I didn't try to save Naria I tried to kill CoD... and he might do his own case a favour by not saying that he won't defend himself any longer, but rather doing some discussion himself.

And...
He does seem helpful, but his interaction with Boromir is fishy. It almost seems like you actually, truly want him to shutup....Getting a little nervous are we?
That was bound to happen... but talking about her, now that she has actually said something, she doesn't look so bad to me.

Right now my main suspects are Volo and CoD. I suspect CoD more in a "something don't feel right" way, but rationally Volo is more likely to be a wolf.

Although, let me propose one theory here.

What if Rune had nailed TWO wolves? killing him would have condemned Naria yes, but it would also make CoD look almost certainly innocent.

I don't know, I still don't buy into CoD's innocence, but...

[Nogrod]

Well, my hunches have been absolutely horrible so far in this game. Okay, I suspected Naria quite a lot but still wasn't able to carry it through...

Anyhow, I'm not suspecting CoD the most. Quite on the contrary.

Even though Valier's point about Lommy is worth looking at toMorrow, I'm still relatively at ease with her.

Valier herself would have been much higher in my list of suspicions unless her posting just lately.

Farael I'm pretty confused about. He's feels a bit too reckless to be a wolf but at least to my eye looks more suspicious than the aforementioned.

Volo I just can't get. No read-out whatsoever. That makes me worry about him.

These are only my preliminary hunches. Nothing solid in any way. But we'll all have time tomorrow (RL) and toMorrow (in-game) to sort these out.

Thanks Durelin, a great game from you! Sad you can't join the nerve-wrecking action of toMorrow!

[Boromir88]

It's been so fun today...don't sound so gloomy. Special thanks to Miss Jenny who has allowed all this enjoyment. :D

Before I never speak to thoughst again (until we meet some other time) Whatever I've said about CoD is 100% lies.

Everything else today though is approximately 73% truthful (even that's correct), including the most important thing...the third wolf.

Good luck Volo.

Glad I could be of some service...bye.

[Nogrod]

I have enjoyed your gaming Boro! Fare thee well and die in a way suitable to you! :D

[Volo]

Good luck Volo.
Thanks dear pal ++Boromir!

[Nogrod]

Good luck Volo.Am I seeing ghosts here? I would say this was not there in Boro's post as I saw it the first time... I can't be sure of this but somehow this part of the post looked unfamiliar as I came back to the thread after posting my last one just a minute afterwards.

You have all seen that Boro takes points from the posts others have just written and tries to go with them. So was this a last minute trial to confuse us in line with the other stuff he has made or did he intentionally wish me to see this last moment edit to free Volo from suspicion and thence trying to save the fellow?

As this example shows, let's not discuss Boro's posts after Durelin's revealment. They are made to confuse... and also took me in for a while. :p

[Nogrod]

Good luck Volo.
Thanks dear pal ++Boromir!

??? :confused: :smokin:

[CaptainofDespair]

I don't know, I still don't buy into CoD's innocence, but...

So don't, then. I've spent enough time trying to sway this jury, only to be ignored. I will not waste further time attempting to persuade you I am not wolf. And I know you won't be truly satisfied until I'm lynched or killed by wolves. Only then will it prove what I am.

You have two options: Take me at my word, and go on trying to find the last wolf, or lynch me and waste more time. The latter, of course, will spell your own doom.

[Durelin]

Finally just got back about half an hour ago...don't have enough time to really go through the thread, but I will do what I can.

Durelin you are playing with fire right now...

Well, I'm willing to play with fire if I feel like lynching CoD is a waste of time.

You have to be more careful than this. The wolves have been feeling confident this entire game - that has been pretty obvious...CoD almost got lynched on Day One. Maybe this whole scene is just a game from him, but I highly doubt it.

The problem is, it could be CoD, Farael, Lommy, Volo, or Valier. None of their names have been cleared.

Lommy is an excellent player...and I cannot put aside the possibility that she sealed Naria's death to free herself of suspicion. However, I do not think it likely.


Thanks dear pal ++Boromir!

What is this supposed to be? I mean, really. Right now, I'm feeling like you guys should just lynch Volo tomorrow, whether or not he's a wolf. Who cares, if he's not going to help the village in the least. If we lose, at least we'll have taken him out.

CoD hasn't been helpful at all, but his behavior I find more familiar. He has only one ancestor that got caught up in such a mess as this, and that ancestor acted exactly as he has done: with a consant "bring it on" attitude. Apparently he, like his predocessor, is interested in observing what takes place in the afterlife. I too was tempted to grant him his wish, but since I do not sense a double-bluff, and since the fate of the village might rest with him...just think of it! Both he and Volo do not care one bit...

Look, obviously Boro's trying to mess with our heads...but it seems so likely that he really has waved the last wolf in our face. It seems a risk he would take. And my great-grandmother used to tell me of how a pair of Lovers once gave themselves in during the final days of the village... So it is possible.

Another interesting thing about Volo:


Farael tried turn attention away from the wolf-Naria by writing such an analysis about CoD, who was a rather suspicious fellow just like Naria. In other words, Farael tried to save Naria, or would that have any sense in it? I can't imagine CoD being a wolf after this.

The only other person who has defended CoD other than me, really, has been Boro. The wolves obviously used him to their advantage - he has been an excellent distraction. Is Volo continuing this sentiment? If he was really a wolf, would he condemn CoD as the most likely wolf candidate? But there is possibly (and quite probably, unfortunately) more than one day ahead of the final wolf.

So, here's my diagnosis on CoD: Ordo with a death wish.

And Volo is either the final wolf or an ordo with a death wish, which I really cannot see. CoD didn't get suicidal until after he got a few votes for him...Volo's never gotten close to being lynched. So why so careless now?


But why am I not suspicous enough? I didn't say a single thing about Naria during the whole game...


See my point?


But Farael is contradictory.

P.S: you may all want to ignore Boromir from now on... don't try to read anything into what he says, since he knows it's game over for him and he'll try to confuse us

And just a bit later...

I don't know what the main suspects for Tomorrow's lynching should be, but if anyone (Nogrod/Durelin if possible, as I said before) has the time to go through Boromir's posts, we might be able to find something out.


So...do you want us to ignore him, or not?

I'm running out of time...I will try to post again with more observations...

But before that:

++Boromir

[Durelin]

Another thing I noticed about Volo:

Of Farael I'll just say that the long post itself is reassuring and I doubt that most wolves would write something like that, for that I really feel like voting ++CoD.

That was yesterday...

But now he thinks CoD is innocent? Perhaps he was swayed by CoD's vote for Naria.

[Durelin]

2) The wolves as Lommy points out believed Rune was the seer and this would put a mark on Naria and Volo...as those seem to be the two people he 'suspected' the most. This begs the again, just exactly how much reliablity can we put in Rune's 'suspicions?'

Volo, too...but he didn't get nearly so much attention as Naria. Boro was kind enough to bring him up, though...

(These are just general observations which I hope might be helpful...and I'm posting them as I find them, as obnoxious as that might be...)

[Durelin]

It would not be fair for me to vote to kill one of the two when I haven't been around all day. i don't want to be the one looked at tomorrow because I got someone killed and they may have been inoccent.

After reading this again, I'm more inclined to think her innocent. Except that Boro escaped going with either Naria or CoD yesterDay. Of course, there wasn't a wolf on the line the day Valier posted that.

When Volo posted considerably on Day One, it was mostly in character banter. He says something about Lommy's going after CoD to be hasty. Then he votes for CoD just a little bit later. He seems to go back and forth on CoD throught the game...and never pays attention to anyone else, really. (Correct me if I'm wrong...this is a quick analysis.)

Possible point of interest: On Day One, Farael initiates a little in character interaction between himself and Naria.

Rune voted for Volo on Day One...did Rune already have them squirming a little, and his post about both Volo and Naria was the straw that broke the camel's back?

Unfortunately, I must be "over and out" at this point. Opossums and Priceline are calling me.

For the final time, I salute you all.

Never give up, never surrender.

Beam me up, Jenny!

[JennyHallu]

One of the first conversations between JennyHallu and Boromir88 had been about his occupation.

"But what, exactly, does a fuller do?" Jenny'd asked.

"We wash wool cloth," he'd explained patiently. "When we're done it's 'fuller', hence the name."

"Oh."

All the club members were used to seeing him wearing wool. They wondered if it itched, but he claimed it was stylish and comfortable.

On this day, though, it was decidedly inappropriate.

"Kill Boromir88," Durelin said firmly, a strange light filling her eyes as she ran his body up and down with her tricorder. "He's not human."

"You can tell with that little do-dad?" asked Boromir curiously, taking his imminent demise with unbelievable calm. "Then why didn't you denounce me on the first day? Why haven't you checked everyone else?"

Durelin shrugged. "Because this is just a prop. I actually had a prescient dream of you." She tossed the plastic toy over her shoulder.

"Now attack!!"

The club members rushed Boromir en masse, wielding---

"Hey! Those are my clothes!" the wolf protested, snarling as he transformed. "My favorite sweater!"

"Sorry, Boromir," Durelin shrugged again. "But we simply cannot tolerate a wolf in sheep's clothing."

Dead

JennyHallu - Club President - Bound and collated on Night 1
Folwren - Vice-President - Used for ink on Night 1
Anguirel - Innocent - Misspelled on Day 1
Rikae - Innocent - Buried alive on Night 2
Gurthang - Innocent - Fell from grace on Day 2
Rune - Cobbler - Given a permanent assignment on Night 3
Naria - Werewolf - Tuned permanently on Day 3
Diamond - Innocent - Serenaded on Night 4
Boromir88 - Werewolf - Suffocated on Day 4

Alive

CaptainofDespair - Pompous Nobleman - Melneras, the Gnomish Archwizard
Durelin - StarCaptain - William Shatner
Farael - Heavy-metal singer - sneak
Nogrod - Retired General - Ciryatan of the Dúnedain, a one-legged Athelas vendor
Thinlomien - aging homeless sot - Lothwen the Pretty, elven flowermaid
Valier - Radical Hair Butcher - Elven Anoonnoon of Omicron Persieye 8
Volo - teleseller - Tom Yrmacha'zul'charach'ping'yit'pul tha half-balrog, wielding a multitude of sharp pointy objects.

[JennyHallu]

You may begin. Durelin, your seer, is dead.

Narration will come later...I'm going to go take a nap.

[Farael]

Can't say I did not see that one coming... rest in peace Durelin, thank you for your good job.

Now, I don't have a lot of time right now, but I wanted to ask Nogrod if he'd kindly go through Boromir's posts (minus the last day, obviously) to see if we can gleam some information out of them.

[Nogrod]

Now, I don't have a lot of time right now, but I wanted to ask Nogrod if he'd kindly go through Boromir's posts (minus the last day, obviously) to see if we can gleam some information out of them.Well, as I've said at least two times already, I will be doing it. But now it's coming 1AM here and I need to wake up a little bit after 6 so understandably I will not be trying anything of the sort right now...

But after I'm home from school tomorrow (RL) I will get to it, meaning something like 2PM (GMT = something like twelve hours from the deadline).

But let's not tone down here anyone before it! Go on and voice your thoughts, for toDay we really need open talk from everyone. And I do think anyone not going open toDay will gain my suspicions. It's not the question of magnitude or quantity but of frankness and coming forwards with you ideas. All the careful postings will be under my scrutiny toDay as I know this will be my last one anyhow.

We have only this Day and the next to accomplish this hunt for the last traitor among us. So keep the discussion up! I will be back in about twelve hours and try to do whatever I can...

[Thinlómien]

Ooooh! They killed Durelin! I'm soooo surprised!

:rolleyes:

Anyway, I would like to echo Nogrod's words: speak up! Tell all ideas that spring to your mind, and don't be afraid of flood-posting.

Today I will probably have a look at what CoD, Valier, Volo and Farael have to say about Naria and Boro and vice versa.

I must tell you some bad news. In case I'm alive the next day, I'm not sure if I can get online at all, since I don't have a net access home and the public libraries are not open in sundays. But I will try visit some friend with a net, or Noggie, though I will be quite busy since I have my "art/painting/drawing /whatever club" and we have guests over the whole weekend. But I'll try; I don't want to to miss the last action!

[Thinlómien]

Just to point out: in every other Day CoD has been around very early just after the "dawn" but toDay we haven't heard anything from him. Sure he might be busy in RL (there's no notice in the admin thread though) but I can't help the feeling he's avoiding the discussion.

[Thinlómien]

Note: I left Boro's postings after Durelin's coming out out of this...

CoD
CoD on Naria
#40 says he will have a look at her and trieds to disprove her cobbler-theory
#53 is suspicious of her (and of me and of Dury and of Farael)
#81 is not so suspicious about her anymore because she hasn't been active, asks her to be more active
#99 says there's not enough information to infer from in Naria to make any clear picture of her, says his suspicions of her are feeling-based
#111 dislikes her casual voting, says she's suspicious
#118 votes her because she has suspected him twice
#134 asks if we should look her not that Rune who last voted for her is dead
#149 says he would like to vote her
#170 votes her
#190 says it's good that the village got rid of her
#214 says that apparently Naria's death hasn't got the heat off him
CoD on Boro
#49 explains to B his backing off of Dury and Farael
#99 says his theory about Gurth sounds more probable
#192 agrees with Noggie's logic that B might be a wolf
#214 votes him
Boro on CoD
#25 says he's one of the most innocent-looking this far, says he's spoken some decent sense and that is not going to vote him
#31 lists him along with himself, Noggie and Ang as one that has tried to get the village turning, says that's something the wolves like to do, but says he won't vote for village-turners
#46 ok, I'm not sure what to make of this so I quote: I only said I would keep an eye on them. I never gave them position. However, they have not wantonly attacked me for simply being in-character (which is where all of this seems to have stemmed from).
Tis a pity CoD, as that really was my reasoning for you appearing innocent. As I was thinking the same.
#153 says he sees no point in lynching Naria or CoD
#160 repeats that Naria and CoD seem quite innocent
#172 says he will vote Naria to save CoD
Naria on CoD
#38 suspects him of being the cobbler, says his statement on knowledge that commoners can't obtain is "incriminating", says she will probably vote him
#104 says she's way too dizzy from the flu to read anything or participate, votes CoD

Farael
Farael on Naria
#4 in-character, asks her to start a band with him
#145 thinks Naria innocent based on Rune's death
#222 says he didn't want to save Naria, but to kill CoD
Farael on Boro
#85 questions his adamantness about him (Boro) being himself the previous day
#140 says he (B) misunderstood him (F)
#145 hints that Boro, CoD and Durelin are interacting
#155 answers his suspicions, asks "Are you a wolf, Mr Boromir?"
#196 says he (B) could drag an ordo with him (refers to CoD), aks for a borolysis from Dury or Noggie
#198 answers bantery Boro saying he (B) won't help the village
#207 says Boro might try a multiple bluff, asks for the villagers not to listen to him (B)
#211 says he's surprised if B doesn't get all the votes, votes him, asks for a borolysis
3236 asks for a borolysis again
Boro on Farael
#46 is worried about Farael and Durelin's interactions
#50 votes him based on his "disappearing from existence"
#136 disagrees with him about Rune's death being a surprise
#153 says he might vote Farael again for he's too hasty and disagrees with him about wolfing and expresses dislike of his trio-speculation
#172 names him his main suspect
#176 says he'd prefer voting Farael to voting Naria or CoD
Naria on Farael
#14 in-character, refuses his band request

Valier
Valier on Naria
#96 finds her non-voting strange, has no clue about her, lists her as "bringing up the rear of my suspicions"
#112 says she knows her (N) from RL and confirms she's ill
#139 speculates about the reasons behind Rune's death and thus mentions Naria; I got the impression she thought her innocent
#156 says she'll vote either Naria or CoD
#177 "If Naria doesn't die and doesn't show up tomorrow then yes she warrants my vote for nonparticipation."
Valier on Boro
#96 says that he's been his normal talkative self, notes that he likes complimenting people when evil, finds nothing alarming about him, lists him as "not overtly supicious yet"
#215 "Now Boromir.....Holy cow....this is the most talk from a know wolf ever. Nice try, but nothing you say holds true, I will not heed anything you have to say. Bye bye wolfie.", votes him
Boro on Valier
#153 doesn't find her reasoning illogical
Naria on Valier
~nothing~

Volo
Volo on Naria
#210 mentions that he didn't say a word about Naria when she was still alive
#221 says Farel tried to take attention from her
Volo on Boro
#226 "Thanks pal!", votes him
Boro on Volo
#46 disagrees with him about Noggie and wolf-tactics
#89 says he (B) is going to have a look at Ang/CoD -voters, includes V in the list
#97 says he scares him because of his inactivity and german, says he (V) might be the cobbler
#172 speculates about why Naria and Volo who are silent aren't dead yet
Naria on Volo
~nothing~

Whoa, that was work! A commentary/ conclusions to come soon...

[Thinlómien]

Ok.

The argument between CoD and Naria is too big for two wolves. Also, Naria votes CoD without knowing the situation (very dangerous for a wolf). Thirdly, Boro defends him too much. Besides, I don't think even Boro would so fiercely protect both his wolvish companion in the same day and even in the same sentence.
I think CoD's innocent, after all.

Farael I'm inclined to consider innocent too. He and Boro argue way too much to be companions in wolvery. And the whole interaction thing... I don't think he'd mess his fellow wolf in such business.

So, Valier or Volo?
It could be any of them, though I'm slightly more inclined to believe Volo guilty. Mostly because of he himself pointing out that he did not say a word about Naria while she was alive. First, who else than a wolf keeps any account of who he has spoken about? Can't think of anyone, Except the seer maybe, and we know Volo is no seer. And, why didn't he say a word about her when she was alive? Maybe because he didn't want to take sides considering his fellow wolf.

I'll vote about two hours from now and my vote will probably go to Volo, but a vote for Valier is certainly not an impossibility either.

[Thinlómien]

Is the last battle of this village going to be one including a flood-posting Lommy and a bunch of mutes? I understand we all have different timezones and different amount of time to commit to ww, but this seems quite ridiculous. Besides me only Farael and Nogrod (who hopefully posts his borolysis soon) have posted. I'm glad they, at least, have. Doesn't look very good to me. In this phase only villains profit from silence. If I'm alive tomorrow, I will certainly remember that. Where's CoD who used to post at "dawn"? Where's Volo who has been able to post before the finnish afternoon before? Where's Valier? Truly, this village is probably driving me crazy. We need evidence to catch the wolf. We need analysis, discussion and theories to catch him/her. What we need the least is a cowardly silence.

Without further ranting

++Volo

I can't say he's overtly suspicious, but I can't say that of anyone else either. It's just that CoD and Farael look pretty innocent (not to mention our known innocent Nogrod), and Volo looks slightly more alarming than Valier. (Check my previous posts.)

But, really, do speak if you're not wolves or cravens. Or worst of all, cravens that suffer from lycantrophy.

[Thinlómien]

Incriminating evidence: Volo has been online today, last an hour ago. But hasn't posted anything here! :eek:

Noggie's concentrating on the wrong ww... :rolleyes: ;)

Well, that's it before I leave. I hope I don't need to see you tomorrow, ie. I hope we lynch the last wolf today.

But I could echo what I said just a few minutes ago:
But, really, do speak if you're not wolves or cravens. Or worst of all, cravens that suffer from lycantrophy.

Bye.

[Nogrod]

Just to inform you...

I need to get something to eat, but after that I will sit by my computer and read through Boro's posts precedeng yesterDay.

Let's go hunt one wolf! ;)

That's heroic Lommy (if you're not a wolf) - that's almost as heroic (were you the last remaining lycanthrope)! :D

[Volo]

Yes yes, I'm here, for once I have time to look through the game to find sense in something. Wouldn't want to die innocent the day I have time to write something...

EDIT: Nah, sorry, I forgot that I have to go out now. I hope that it won't take too much time and I'll post something with more sense later. Working on CoD right now, and he doesn't seem wolfish.

[Farael]

Working on CoD right now, and he doesn't seem wolfish.
Just a really quick post, I have a lab report due this afternoon and I still have two little details to write. The introduction and the conclussion...

If CoD does not seem wolfish, why 'work' on him? I think we are fairly pressed to find whoever IS the wolf, we cannot possibly prove anyone to be innocent now that our Seer is dead, so we should try to find the guilty ones, not make cases for someone else's innocence.

That really seems wolfish to me, as the wolf (duh) knows that whoever he claims to be innocent WILL be innocent thus making him look good.

[CaptainofDespair]

I am sorry for not posting at 'dawn'. I felt that, considering what transpired the day before, I am more of a distraction than an aid.

Anywho, I am suspicious of Volo and Valier.

Volo, apparently, is doing what I am doing, in saying nothing of substance and being rather shifty (in my opinion, of course). I'm not sure whether we should lynch him first or not. Though I am all for lynching him.

Valier, on the other hand, has proven to be just as odd, in my mind. But I can't quite put my finger on it (I'd rather use the iron fist of justice, anyhow).

I'm torn, between these two. I'd very much like to get rid of both of them and see what happens. But since I can't, I'll probably side with Volo, who sits a bit more uneasily with me at this point.

[Nogrod]

Borolysis under construction and coming soon. It's quite a job I must say but interesting things to follow... :p

[Nogrod]

Borolysis Part I

I’m trying to restrict this to those remarks that have something to do with people alive here, but I can’t promise that if something interesting shows up...


DAY1
#10
I'm always the red-shirted Mr. Johnson that travels with Kirk, Spock, and Mccoy, on an expeditionary team and ends up dying...so I'm looking at our Mr. Shatner over there.

The infamous point towards Durelin that I think went to arouse discussion, rather misinterpreted, more like in-character banter, I would say.

#25
Thinlo...I really am having trouble understanding your logic...

I mean I know it's Day 1 and all, and we all are grasping at straws here. But honestly CoD is one of the most innocent looking people (at least to me). Really he is the only one that has spoken some decent sense to me so far (see above quote [eg. keeping an eye on Farael and Durelin]), instead of complete bilge. I won't cast my vote for somebody that's been trying to make some sense out of the non-sensical Day 1's.

So questioning Lommy’s logic, Defending CoD and agreeing with keeping an eye on Farael.

Now this looks interesting...
#31
Yes, the wolves do like to get out there and get the village turning (right now, for me, Nogrod, Anguirel, and CoD would fall under here). However, I wouldn't put it past at least one of the wolves to say very little (if anything at all) on Day 1...while one or both of their buddies go out and get their hands dirtied.

On those three above, I probably won't vote for any of them, today...though Nogrod looks the most dangerous (of the three). His suspicion of CoD looks a little bold for a wolf to make, but with his family history I wouldn't put anything past him. So, I guess you could say I'll be watching Nogrod.

So first of all he makes himself to look suspicious (among two known innocents and CoD). Then he declares that at least one wolf would be silent (Naria! – at least). Then he suspects me because what I’ve said about CoD – so again defending him and / or using him as a reason to suspect me mildly.

#46
I've seen those types of 'playful' interactions between wolves on Day 1 before. Where the wolves joke around and have this interaction going on...hence why I thought you seemed to be making the most sense out of anybody....and why I too am suspicious of Farael and Durelin. Now with you backing away, after seemingly the concensus was you were barking up the wrong tree, and has ultimately caused you to fall under some scrutiny, you have fallen back in my eyes.

I do find Durelin and Farael's interactions today quite troubling...as this attitude of 'playfulness' is not uncommon or unheard of for wolves to do on Day 1. I've witnessed it between wolf partners before and is not something that I take lightly or simply cast aside as nonsensical rubbish.

First he goes to agree with CoD in reasoning about his innocence, then comes the quote above. I’m not quite sure what it means. But surely in the end he comes back suspecting Farael and Durelin again.

After Durelin notified Boro’s not-normal behaviour he posted the following:
#50
Durelin, you're last two posts may have saved a vote from me at least for today. Looks quite observant and a bit helpful to me, if I may say so. You have correctly noticed that I have not been my usual self...due to various factors such as lack of time, lack of sleep, and lack of substantial stuff to comment on. Honestly, everything I've said is everything I felt was worth commenting on...

Thence he absolved Durelin and voted for Farael.


DAY2
#83
Durelin the one that's raising the biggest eyebrows for me. I'm not used to see this talkative Durelin that is seemingly coming out here in the wee hours of the morning to try to sway the village in the direction the wolves want it to go in. Something just doesn't seem right, here. I was wary of the interaction with Durelin and Farael yesterday, and Durelin has only heigtened my suspicion of that.

The more I think about it the more this makes sense. I find no particular reason to suspect CoD, and I really didn't get what the big fuss over Anguirel was about. This would make the Rikae kill work in their benefit to give us no direction on where to look...yet the wolves may have come out here trying to make it look like Rikae was on to something...and send us all in the wrong direction.

So he turned against Durelin again (no mention of Farael here). Yet defending CoD and indeed suggesting that the wolves would have killed Rikae to make us suspect CoD – and thence being in the wrong tracks!!!

#97
I agree with Ang in that if Lommy was a wolf she made a very safe wolve vote. However, the vast majority of the time a wolf doesn't vote first, they like to wait around and see what the village is thinking a bit before they choose. Also, what Lommy's said today makes her look innocent to me.

Volo just scares me because of his inactivity and his few confusing posts with some type of foreign language (German?). He could be the cobbler, but I don't have enough to go off of, besides the fact that he was confusing, and still is baffling me.

He looks at the CoD/Ang voters, ending up suspecting Durelin and Gurthang. Vote to Gurthang follows... So “assuming” again CoD innocent? He notifies Volo the first time in the game here and only says the above. Hmm...?


DAY3
#146
I have gone through Rune's posts. There are a few possibilities running through my head.

1) The wolves killed Rune to confuse us even further and continue us spiralling in circles. It may have worked better than they intended as it just so happens they kill the cobbler...so exactly how much info can we get out of Rune's posts?

2) The wolves as Lommy points out believed Rune was the seer and this would put a mark on Naria and Volo...as those seem to be the two people he 'suspected' the most. This begs the again, just exactly how much reliablity can we put in Rune's 'suspicions?'

I'm growing wary of Lommy over there whom is pushing the wolves must have believed Rune was the seer, and claims she knows exactly why he was killed...because of his comments. This rings some alarms in my head. Such narrow-minded thinking into believing only one 'right answer' is dangerous. If you are innocent, you should open your mind a bit.

Now interesting stuff again... He really tries to make us believe there is no value in going through Rune’s posting as it would mean that Naria (a wolf) and Volo would look bad. So he was defending a wolf-Naria. The question remains whether he was also defending his other mate? And where did Volo drop in her from anyway? What Lommy said was that if Rune was a seer then Naria would be bad and CoD good. Could it be that Rune said to trust or feel innocent or not having an idea about all others but:
Volo i am uneasy about. . .I will let him be today though (because he is not pressent)
Naria is a wolf and need to be delt with (meaning I suspect her)

It’s also interesting to see that when Lommy seemed to hit the right track he calls it narrow-minded... worthy of suspicion even? Or was he trying to teach a fellow-wolf some manners (indirectly saying to her: do not continue that line, we’re in danger here)?

In #153 he spends a considerable amount of energy to make us buy the version that Rune was a cobbler and killed because of that. Looks to me that he was even more intent to defend Naria (and Volo?). Anyhow he wishes us to leave the Rune-issue behind us and pressures us – we have no more time for mistakes so let’s go forwards. Saying: lynching Naria or CoD not good ideas. So trying to take back the slipped notion on Volo here?

Was it that pressurising then? So both wolves there?

He also calls Farael hasty and declines the trio Durelin, CoD, Boro, complaining that we should get one wolf first before going after any trios...

In #160 he continues objecting to the Rune-theory and says we are on a slippery road as we concentrate on two people only (a good argument, even if its made by a wolf). He calls it dangerous indeed! So he really wishes us to turn from that road (killing Naria or CoD – Volo has now totally dropped from the talk)

#172
The main person being Farael whom I'm highly suspicious of.

For some others. Lommy worried me at the beginning of the day, but lately that's lessened quite a bit...

The other person that I'm growing more concerned about is Volo, who seemingly is all over the place. First he says Nogrod is too bold to be a wolf as he is coming out and establishing arguments against people. He believed a wolf would not do such a thing. (I disagreed, especially when we're talking about Nogrod). Now he's come out and said that there really is no point to Nogrod's posts.

You also ask why the wolves haven't killed so far the quiet ones like Naria or Volo. I think either:

1) Naria or Volo (or both are wolves) hence they have not been killed yet. This I think is more likely in Volo's case who is completely everywhere.

2) This I feel is more likely with Naria, she's an easy target for a lynch. Simply kill Rune to get people to think the wolves believed he was the seer and the people will cry Naria's a wolf...lynch her. Hence, why she hasn't been killed, as she hasn't been feeling well and presumably not be able to put up much of a defense. Which would benefit the wolves in two ways to keep her around. It would first create a crisis of uncertainty in the village. Do we think Naria's a wolf? Eventhough she's been under the weather, this doesn't mean she isn't a wolf, yet we feel bad if she turns out to be innocent. But do to the circumstances, we actually won't know until Naria is lynched. The other benefit again, an easy lynch candidate for the next day.

I would much rather see Farael lynched. However, if it comes down to it, I will vote for Naria to save CoD. CoD seems more valuable to have than Naria. Regrettably Naria is not feeling well, but because of this she isn't going to be much help and will remain a thorn in our side.

Then something like a chance in course I might say. He still seems to defend Naria but puts CoD before her! Maybe he was feeling the need to distance himself from Naria as he saw that the village might indeed lynch her?

#176
Farael I also feel more comfortable voting for instead of CoD or Naria, but we have to know what we're going to do, so we nor the wolves can botch anything here at the end.


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Part II with some summary-notes and ideas to follow (those comments of mine above are only preliminary remarks that I thought while reading through Boro's posting.

[Valier]

I'm here, I have a few hours today to be around, so I would like to hear more from everyone.....oh wait Volo forgot he had to go out :rolleyes: Convenient.

Today Volo looks the most odd, but I am still unwilling to just let CoD go again another day. I just can't shake this odd feeling I have about him. Volo has not contributed much at all and seems to be just confusing...I'm not sure yet. I would like to hear more from you CoD if you are around.

Nogrod, since you are the only known innocent...what are your thoughts? I don't know if all this Boro analysis will get us anywhere, even thought Farael seems to want to keep Nogrod busy with that task today, which I thought was odd...Farael you already asked Noggie to do an analysis, and today you post first and again ask Nog to do it....hmmmmm Trying to keep his attention else where? I know I'm a bit all over, but this is a very hard day and I find everyone at least a bit suspicious, I just must figure out who is the most.