WW XXIIX - Queer Lodgings

[Oddwen]

VOTING IS CLOSED

Death to follow shortly.

[Oddwen]

Votes were counted - recounted - and recounted again.

"This can't be right," said Kathin. "You really don't want to do this."

"Yes we do," they said pointing at the votes for evidence.

"I'm telling you...you will not like this," she said as she grew visibly agitated.

"Ooh, here it comes!" they said happily; axes, small swords, hairy fists and magical staffs at the ready.

"Don't make me angry," she threatened again. "You cannot get out of this."

As several dwarf bows were readied and drawn (you don't want to get too close to an angry dwarf, do you?), she launched herself into the crowd axe brandished and bellowing as only a dwarf can. Bows twanged, arrows struck, and Kathin fell dead, but not before burying her axe in Bofgrod's throat.

"Gurgleblarglegllrrrggg!" he said, as blood soaked his beard. "Grbllllaaaagaaaaalll!" and he too fell dead across the body of Kathin.

Neither body morphed, or changed in any way at all.

"Ai, ai!" they wailed.

Living:
Beornomien
Valier the Grey
Meneltarbo Baggins
Thorin Angurielsheild
Voloin
Dori88
Runi son of Bjarne
Orilin
Bifur Fegalund
Bomburlass


Dead:
Eomi of the Rohirrim (Innocent), beheaded on DAY one
dwancing spawn of fundin (Twin), beheaded on NIGHT two
Nari (Twin), died of sorrow on NIGHT two
Gloanna (Innocent), hung on DAY two
Farael the Deathless (Protector), crushed with a hammer protecting his choice on NIGHT three
Kathin (Hunter), lynched on DAY three
Bofgrod (Innocent), taken down with the hunter on DAY three

The third DAY is done/
NIGHT the fourth has begun/
I need names from the Seer and Wolves, what fun/
Bum-ba-dum-badum/

[Oddwen]

They woke that morning with major guilt trips. Major. What was their innocent-to-wolf ratio? Uh, very bad.

They grumbled and looked around for the customary body, and found it strewn out in the yard.

"Oh, his poor arms and legs!" cried Meneltarbo.

The body of Dori88 had been dismembered in a quite crude fashion, likely caused by stringing him up between four trees and then jumping on him.

As they had used up all the stones for Kathin and Bofgrod, they settled for taking care of the body on a pyre. And afterwards, if any small dwarf child asked about the fate of the legendary Dori88, it will be said to them "He was a burned dwarf", and that is enough.


Living:
Beornomien
Valier the Grey
Meneltarbo Baggins
Thorin Angurielsheild
Voloin
Runi son of Bjarne
Orilin
Bifur Fegalund
Bomburlass


Dead:
Eomi of the Rohirrim (Innocent), beheaded on DAY one
dwancing spawn of fundin (Twin), beheaded on NIGHT two
Nari (Twin), died of sorrow on NIGHT two
Gloanna (Innocent), hung on DAY two
Farael the Deathless (Protector), crushed with a hammer protecting his choice on NIGHT three
Kathin (Hunter), lynched on DAY three
Bofgrod (Innocent), taken down with the hunter on DAY three
Dori88 (Innocent), dismembered on NIGHT four

All three Wolves, please stop PMing.
You are all now free to start discussing.

[Anguirel]

Cat got everyone's tongue? It certainly had mine.

Right. Well, I certainly feel like a fool. I don't, though, think that Nori was killed with the primary purpose of framing me, though that would have been a desirable side-effect. I think that his behaviour towards the end of yesterday may have suggested to his murderers that he was the Seer.

Talking of which, it would be nice to have some information now; with a third of the population evil, we need to know who to trust. On the other hand a talkative Seer is a dead Seer and the relevant person may want to stay shtum and get more information. Their choice.

I don't think that Nori's suspects will necessarily be helpful - a frame-up, intentional or not, is so very likely - but it might be interesting to note that one of his main targets was Meneltarbo.

Knowing myself to be innocent, I am now especially suspicious of that Burglar, and of Runi; both of these players tried to keep suspicion fixed on me, Nori and Bofgrod. For my part I fell for the ruse and kept on the attack, in retrospect very rashly.

[Durelin]

Wow...one post? Well, today will be interesting...

I agree with you, Ang. I think it's quite likely that the wolves feared he might be the Seer. They might have been trying to frame you, and Lommy as well. Boro expressed quite a bit of suspicion of Lommy, particularly near the end. Or Wolf-Lommy feared for her safety. I think the latter is less likely: Lommy really hasn't garnered much suspicion at all, so why should she fear too much for her safety?

It is also possible that they were trying to frame Menel, but Boro was more "subtle" about his suspicion of Menel, I think. Perhaps they thought this was Seer hinting (not hinting towards his role, but slipping suspicion in of a possible dreamt of wolf so it's not blatant)?

I don't know...all I do know is that we really need to get a wolf today, because if an innocent dies today, and then one tonight, it will be 4 against 3. Not good.

[Meneltarmacil]

Ang, I only mentioned you briefly in one of my posts yesterDay, which turned into more of an attack on Boromir than on you. I mostly went after Rune yesterDay, and still think he's a wolf and my prime suspect. I'm most likely going to vote for him toDay and encourage you to do the same.

In any case, I really hope the Seer's found at least one of the wolves by now. We need to get one of them toDay; otherwise, the village is more or less doomed.

[Meneltarmacil]

Wait, hang on. I also mentioned you in my response to Boro's mention of the question about the Twins' roles, Ang. However, I didn't consider you a wolf in that post.

[Valier]

Well this is disheartening...Ok so we have 9 villagers. 3 are wolves and we still have our Seer, so there are 4 Ordo's. Well today is critical, I agree with Durelin. If we don't get a wolf today and they kill another Ordo or worse our Seer, that leaves us with 7. 3 against 4. Not good.
So the Seer I think should only come out.
a) If they have dreamt of at least two Ordo's that are still here.
b) They have dreamt of a wolf and at least one remaining Ordo
c) They fear they might be killed.
If not then I say, try and hold on for one more dream, but if you can help us today Seer it may just give us Oro's the boost we need to catch these VERY crafty Fiends. I would like to hear more from anyone who is around today. I trust noone and am at a bit of a loss. I plan on rereading, but we need to work together if we want to put a damper on these Wolves plan.

x-posted

[Anguirel]

The thing is, no single villager really presents a threat to a wolf, enough of a threat to provoke a kill rather than a lynch, except a Seer-suspect. Mere suspicion can be defended against. Frame-ups are usually more bother than they're worth. But the Seer is a deadly foe to them.

In that sense, it's obvious that Nori, and indeed debatably every other kill so far, was suspected of being a Seer. That is what the wolves will have been looking for, every night.

I think an investigation of Rune might not prove unprofitable. I could see him being a wolf with Beorn and/or Voloin; my evidence for this is egotistical, but nevertheless the best I personally have to go on. Beorn and Voloin have often accused me in a soi-disant way, while Runi may have "broken ranks" to vote for me; I've seen him be a similarly bold wolf before.

I don't currently suspect Orilin much, but this is because of the frailty of my point of view; she's made similar blunders to me and is something of a natural ally.

Valier also rings quite true and I don't think Nilp would have gladly killed Spawn so early. But this is really clutching at straws.

My main suspects, then, are

Rune
Beorn
Volo

in about that order, and I'm also unsettled by Meneltarbo.

[Volo]

This looks really bad... Yesterday seems to have been total madness, and I'm really sorry to have been away. I think I should go get my battle-axe and start cutting my wrist, this is pretty depressing you know...

I won't start analysing everything now. But I found something that might be interesting. It's really radical, but at this point, I think that we need to get radical.

Anguirel #205 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505392&postcount=205) and Durelin #206 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505392&postcount=206). Why do I mention those posts? Because they are scary (of course, I am going crazy with my strange obsession with "signs", in real life): Neither post has anything to say (or I can't see anything good), both posts have a short word meaning nothing in the middle, they are in a row. Ha. and Odd. summ up as a message. No really, what else do the posts have to say?

Yes, I see those two as wolves. And for the third one, I'd like to add Menel to the pack. I'll go on more reasons next.

Durelin

Day1

#10 In character useless post.

#19 -//-

#36 Tries to be useful by listing a list of people who haven't said anything. If this isn't the "useful enough to seem innocent, whatever post" then nothing is...

#37 Adds Lommy to the preveous post. Durelin seems excited...

#42 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=504879&postcount=42) The first post that holds any meaning (as you can see it in the post number btw). What the Morgoth?? Sure there was little reason to vote anyone on day1 but why Rune, with his one totally innocent post?
That was just my opinion on the stupidity of the vote, not on the suspicion of the post, on day1 that was suspicious but not anymore. Annoying, but not suspicious. Except for the part of wolves staying quiet on day1, I don't think that a loud person would be quiet just because he/she is a wolf... (See Glirdan's game f.ex...)

Day2

#124 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=505174#post505174) Now now, was Durelin's vote any better, somebody took the responcibility of lynching, and that wasn't Durelin.
Agrees with Boromir. Yet Nogrod is unpredictable and is usually the ring-leader...
I'd love to comment the accusation. Why did I point that thing about a possible twin-clue? Heh, because I am crazy about "signs" (as some of you know by now) and because I enjoy proving people wrong. :p

#133 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=505190#post505190) Doesn't like thinking and says that WW shouldn't be played by analysing. Agrees with Valier that being confused and talking nonsense is good (probably you didn't mean it like that, but I understand it like that... :p ). Put's a reason why to lynch everyone. Really, this was of no use.

#137 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=505197#post505197) Again she forgets someone... Noggy this time.
I don't get why Durelin suspects Kath here, of course I don't get why she suspects me either. Up to then the only mistakes Kath made was that she was overly friendly, actually same with me (or?). I feel like Durelin just wants to look at Kath to seem helpful, because her only accusation on Kath is that she (Durelin) doesn't like the way Kath talks, no, the way Kath is...

145 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=505216#post505216) Again I see little reason in this post. Durelin votes Kath for the reasons above.
Thinks of me as a waste of time. You don't know how deeply that cut into my egoetic flesh.
Agrees with Boromir about Kitanna being suspicios for going too deep into the Eomer-lynchers.

Day3

#195 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=505392#post505392) Durelin, get a hold on yourself, you're much too excited...
Suspects Boromir for going too hard on Anguriel.
Trusts Anguriel. Why? I can't find a reason to trust him...
Finds Nogrod and Kath scary.
Finds me especially scary, because I voted for Kitanna with no of my own reasons. I'll answer now: Kitanna was suspicious, the most suspicious and I trusted Nogrod and the others to have made a right desicion. I was wrong, but I'm sure all of you agree that Kitanna was suspected for a good reason. Voting for anybody who didn't have any votes, that wouldn't have been any better, would it?
Suspects Menel for being just helpful enough to seem innocent, or whatever. And if anybody, doesn't Durelin fall exactly into that category? And isn't mentioning Menel like this exactly being helpful enough to seem innocent?

#206 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=505415#post505415) This one I already mentioned.

#219 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=505440#post505440) Puts people into four nice groups. What is "I don't care"?
This post has more to offer!: What the Morgoth is this???
Thanks, Holby, it's interesting to see how much everyone has posted.
If you wan't my humble opinion, Holby didn't do anything useful there! This is too much like Kath (you, Durelin, so suspect), to be friendly to somebody who "has posted something useful enough to seem innocent". (This makes me want to consider Holby too).
But here Durelin makes a good point! About Kath (whom Durelin so likes to haunt). It is much easier to suspect the "big ones" as they talk more and by that say more things that can be thought of as suspicious.

#229 Votes Kath.

Day4

#255 Agrees with Anguirel that Boromir was killed to frame somebody. Tells that Lommy or Menel might be the ones to be framed. This is one of the "helpful to be innocent"-posts. :p

I'll continue later, probably in many hours, I'm going to sleep soon, today (in real life) I had a long day and my head is splitting.

[Volo]

Anguirel or as I'd like to name him, Ahriel or Thorel.

Day1

#6 In-character. Mentions the twins as evil, the first to tempt discussion about them, very likely that he wanted to draw the twins into a trap.
Actually this one feels really wolfish!

#12 Dwalin m'lady, you are as enlightening as ever. Does this mean, though, that these Twins have not infiltrated the Wolves? I am still somewhat bemused.
So, Ahriel saw that lady Spawn had something to do with the twins. How could we not notice this...

#15 Haha

#26 Suspects Dorimor because of Dorimor's trust of Anguirel.
Suspects Holbytlass for her joke.
Suspects Duriel for being "dead".
:rolleyes:

#27 "Oh, and, goodnight, loyal subjects..."

#58 Finds it strange that Kitanna is suspected so early.
Wants to vote Duriel for "trivial reasons".

#60 Gets serious and doesn't want to vote Duriel anymore.
The scary "Hmmm."

I'll continue, have to switch off the computer now...

[Anguirel]

Voloin old chap, please be more careful in your reading.

I don't think Nori was killed in order to frame someone.

I think his death does frame some people, but so does every kill. I don't think the wolves killed him to direct a lynching, but to get rid of a Seer.

I mean, if his death was meant to point at me, it's about as ploddingly obvious as Durelin and I being in cahoots, a theory that I know to be wrong...

In the tales of Sherlock Holmes, Holmes's rival is the policeman Lestrade, who always comes up with plausible but wrong solutions.

I think, Voloin, that you might be Lestrade - that is, if you aren't Moriarty.

[Volo]

I don't think Nori was killed in order to frame someone.

Indeed, sorry.. :( I think that this adds suspicion on Durelin...

I'm Lestrade :D

[Anguirel]

Voloin, you're so cheerfully convinced in the rectitude of your own theories that I think you might very well be innocent.

I really suggest, though, that you put your pursuit of me aside. I know letting go of hobby-horses is very hard - I myself couldn't help suspecting Bofgrod and Nori, which turned out to be a stupendous blunder.

I know you think you're onto something, and believe me, our evidence is so scant that I can sympathise with someone taking jokes and monosyllabic prose similarities as evidence. But I can assure you that prose style and humour are the two least reliable wolf tracking systems in Rhovanion...

I replace you on my own particular List of Doom with Bomburlass. Her comments about Nori and Bofgrod being duelling innocents now look pretty incriminating - especially as they'd stopped duelling in earnest by the time she'd posted.

I therefore suggest -

Bomburlass - concision, typical inconspicuousness and seems to know a little too much.

Beorn - formed general alliance with Bofgrod and played something of a second fiddle in accusing me, from my point of view a known innocent. Nailed Eomi's coffin early on. A combination with Bomburlass would indicate a sly wolf-for-wolf vote at one point...hmmm. (Yes, Voloin, I intend to keep saying hmmm. Ha.)

Meneltarbo/Rune - I tend to think that one of these excludes the other, but can't quite decide on which of them looks more wolvish.

[Durelin]

Sorry for my absence, the Bears in the playoffs takes priority...

Delightful, Volo! It is radical indeed to venture away from your big three of Nogrod, Boro, and Ang...particularly considering two out of those three are dead and proved innocent.

I am honored to take Boro and Nogrod's place.

Once again, I'm afraid I must agree with your suspicion of Menel and Rune. Personally, I find Menel more suspicious because I see more connections surrounding him. Connections can easily be drawn from Menel to Volo and to Valier, the three of them dropping the "they seem innocent because of such and such" left and right about each other.

For an example of this, take a look at Menel's post #123 (http://forums.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505172&postcount=123) and #129 (http://forums.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505182&postcount=129), and Valier's post #130 (http://forums.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505183&postcount=130). I asked Valier why she thought Menel was innocent because he was essentially defending Volo (or if she meant something else), but I don't believe she ever answered.

I also find Menel more suspicious because of his connection with Boro's death. Actually, Boro suspected a Menel-Volo connection. I think it is quite possible that the Wolves tried to get Boro the night Farael died, but Farael protected him...this simply based on the fact that if the Wolves really wanted him dead (which I think they had to...Ang is right - the wolves have to get rid of the Seer; also, leaving Boro alive can be a good thing, because as is obvious, people like him and Nogrod, the talkative, take charge ones, are good players for wolves to point suspicion towards to keep people distracted), and so if they tried one Night and the Protector was protecting him, they'd just go for it again the next Night.

I think we need to stop going after the subtleties. I think the Wolves are hiding right in front of our faces. There's been lots of talk of suspicion of a number of people, but in the end they don't garner many votes. The lynch victims have been obvious...they've been unquestionably ahead in the votes. The Wolves aren't sneaking around the spreading the voting, because they don't have to.

Don't over think...go for the obvious.

But also remember that we need to get a Wolf. So please, please hold off on voting as long as you can.

[Meneltarmacil]

Now, I was not trying to "save a fellow wolf" by mentioning that stuff about Volo. He could well be a wolf, I just found it unlikely that he was a wolf based on his behavior. My reasoning was that if he were a wolf, he wouldn't be making the kinds of risky moves that he had been. Of course, he could be double-bluffing and I may in fact have been somewhat deceived by wolf-Volo's bold tactics.

I have not done an analysis of Volo yet, and so there are likely wolvish things I've missed here and there. If Volo appears to be a wolf, then by all means, vote for him.

I cannot speak for Valier; she defended me, not the other way around.

[Durelin]

Glad to know you're around, Menel.

Okay, so you were not defending a fellow Wolf. But you won't even say if you suspect him or not? If you've got nothing to lose by him, then why not share your opinion?

If you just don't suspect Volo, okay. If you have nothing to say about Valier, okay. But who do you suspect? Or are you going to wait till you see where the voting is going, and see who you can get lynched, or save from being lynched? Not necessarily an evil tactic, but it is if you already know everyone who's innocent and everyone who's not.

[Meneltarmacil]

Okay, I've gone over Volo's posts, and basically I find him rather difficult to place. I can't really find much of a pattern in the people he's been suspicios of.

However, he has voted for Eomer and Kitanna on the Days they were lynched. He was the first to vote for Eomer. When he voted for Kitanna, she already had three votes against her. This makes him look pretty suspicious. When he voted for her, he mentioned that he was joining a bandwagon.

My impression of him is that he's either a very misguided innocent or a very bold wolf, if that helps.

My main suspect is still Rune son of Bjarne.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I just wanted to let you know that I am around now. . .

So 2 out of my 3 top suspects turned out to be innocent and that leaves me with Ang. I now have the choise to leave my crusade and look for other suspects or hold on to my belive that at least one of the three is a wolf. A tough desition. . . .

Ang, if you are sure that either me or Menel is a wolf, then hand me a knife and I shall stap him and move the knife around his central nervous system in perfect, destructive elipse.

[Durelin]

Rune - Okay...so if you stick with your original three, two are dead and innocent, and that leaves you with just one.

But what about the two other wolves?

You say you'd kill Menel...but do you believe he might be a Wolf?

Same with you, Menel. There are three wolves out there, and six villagers. It's time to start drawing connections, broadening your view, particularly since we have a difficult next few days ahead of us unless the Seer miraculously has dreamt of all three wolves (though two of them would be really amazing, as well).

And why exactly do you suspect Rune? Every other post lately it's been "Rune is probably a Wolf." But I haven't seen much action in regards to trying to convince others of it, give compelling reasons, or try and draw connections between him and others you suspect. If there are any others.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, this doesn't look nice. We're running out of people here, and the Wolves are still unscathed. Good news, though, is we still have the Seer. I just hope his dreams are useful, otherwise . . . well, I don't think I need to explain the 'otherwise' to you chaps.

I'll be doing two DAYs's worth of voting analyses . . . although I see Volo's tempting me to go rashly at him again with DAY-opening post.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am fully aware that I only have 1 major suspect and that there are 2 out there, but I would not want to point out random people as my prime suspects.

The killing Menel was a comment of Ang saying that he thought one of us to be a wolf, but only one. I was merely saying "if it is so then Menel is the wolf, because I am innocent"

[Durelin]

The killing Menel was a comment of Ang saying that he thought one of us to be a wolf, but only one. I was merely saying "if it is so then Menel is the wolf, because I am innocent"

I know that was your response to Ang, but I want to know what you think of Menel.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Well, Menel is very interesting for me too look at as he reminds me of. . . me. One would think it would make it easy for me to spot of he was innocent or not, but it is not so as wolf-me and innocent-me is not all that different.

Anyways at first Menel came off as very innocent looking, voicing some of the same semi-vauge thoughts I was thinking. This is the main reason I have not yet thought of him as a wolf, but I have had a hard time relating to what he has said of late.

wow! I just realised something while reading over Menels latest posts. He is very vauge about everybody exept me, the rest of you he pretty much says "this person could be a wolf" and then he halfway withdraw the statement. really this is a very good tactic for a wolf. In case he is lynched there will be as good as no trace to his fellow wolves. His only suspect is me (innocent) and the rest of you he says pretty much the same thing about.

Now I hope that Durelin is not a very cunning wolf, that by asking simple question can lead people in sertain directions.

[Durelin]

Good point about Menel's "suspicion record" leaving no trace, Rune. (That's why I ask questions, to get good observations like that.) And if he is a Wolf, he has no reason to focus his supposed suspicion, particularly at this point. So far we innocents have done well lynching each other.

Let's look at Valier...

ToDay (Day 4), she's posted only once, but though apparently she had time to list what the Seer should do, she did not have time to suggest what the rest of us should do; as in, who we should lynch.

Day 1 - Not there at all. Was sick. Posts once to say so and apologize. Okay.

Day 2 - Posts three times. Once to apologize for not being there and voting, another to say that she thought Volo was innocent for the same reasons that Menel thought he was, and thinks Menel is innocent because he thought that (everyone was looking at Eomer voters). Then posts again to say that Lommy gets freaked out when she has a special role and that she has a weird feeling about her. Votes Lommy.

Day 3 - Posts three times. Lists everyone left alive, then categorizes them based on suspicion.


Ok now people I am unsure of are....
Menel
Kath
Durelin
Nilp

People I have suspicion of
Nogrod
Rune
Ang

Innocent?
Volo
Holby
Boro
Lommy
Basically says that Nogrod seems most guilty to her because he is suspicious of people she thinks are innocent. Says that he seems like a Wolf who is trying to get the ordos to kill each other. (Because Wolves might do other things?) Rune and Ang she just has a "feeling" about.

Then posts to agree with Ang about Nogrod. Then she says that she missed Volo's post and realizes now why he is found suspicious (basically because of a connection with Nogrod). But then oddly enough she suggest that he might be hinting at being gifted. Eh? Wot wot? Why isn't he dead yet, killed by the Wolves?

Then posts to say that she's pretty sure two of the wolves are Kath and Rune. At least she's consistent with Rune...but what happened to Nogrod? Oh, yeah, that's right...I voted for Kath right before her. Convenient vote. She also questions Nilp's "scraping by with a post a day" when she herself posts only minimally.

So...she seems to have a routine. Posts once or twice before the voting really starts...then comes back after a while, votes, and leaves. But she is far from consistent in her suspicion. Her way of "suspecting" is much like Menel's.

I hope Holby and Lommy will be able to post soon. Argh, this silence is unnerving. Maybe, Seer, if you have anything at all, it's time to come out. Because we seem not to be getting very far.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

[Times are GMT +8; known innocents are underlined]

08:16am Kitanna - Volo (Volo - 1)
09:12am Farael - Farael (Volo - 1; Farael - 1)
10:23am Valier - Lommy (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 1)
10:31am Durelin - Kath (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 1; Kath - 1)
11:03am Nilp - Kitanna (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 1; Kath - 1; Kitanna - 1)
09:28pm Rune - Valier (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 1; Kath - 1; Kitanna - 1; Valier - 1)
09:52pm Holby - Lommy (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 2 Kath - 1; Kitanna - 1; Valier - 1)
10:00pm Menel - Kitanna (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 2 Kath - 1; Kitanna - 2; Valier - 1)
11:13pm Lommy - Kitanna (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 2 Kath - 1; Kitanna - 3; Valier - 1)
11:21pm Boro - Kitanna (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 2 Kath - 1; Kitanna - 4; Valier - 1)
11:22pm Volo - Kitanna (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 2 Kath - 1; Kitanna - 5; Valier - 1)
11:22pm Nogrod - Kitanna (Volo - 1; Farael - 1; Lommy - 2 Kath - 1; Kitanna - 6; Valier - 1)

I see little in the voting. Kitanna was suspicious, and she did little to alleviate the suspicion. Volo's post still rankles me, and his explanation . . .
. . . I voted for Kitanna with no of my own reasons. I'll answer now: Kitanna was suspicious, the most suspicious and I trusted Nogrod and the others to have made a right desicion. I was wrong, but I'm sure all of you agree that Kitanna was suspected for a good reason. Voting for anybody who didn't have any votes, that wouldn't have been any better, would it? (Volo) . . . does little to ease it. The explanation feels too safe, and seems based on hindsight (hindsight always is 20/20) or some other, ill-gotten, knowledge.

DAY 3 analysis will come up next.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, Rune, my suspicions of you are mainly based on my observation that you've mainly tended to cast suspicion on known innocents and make safe votes.

And as for a few others:

It's interesting that after Nogrod died yesterDay, Boromir88 was killed the next night, leaving Anguirel as the only loudmouth. I'd say that the wolves were probably trying to frame him.

Thinlomien's suspicions are all over the place and don't leave much of a trail to follow, though for the first two DAYs she's gotten really nervous near the end of the DAY. She's joined all three of the major bandwagons, and after hurriedly suspecting and voting for Eomer on Day One, she gets really defensive about it the next Day. Overall, she appears somewhat nervous and unsure.As she's only had one wolf ancestor, that being a Fenris Wolf, I find her uneasiness to be incriminating.

[Durelin]

Rune is not a proven innocent, but your vote for him yesterDay was still quite a safe vote, Menel. You were quite safe off in your own little world yesterDay, where Rune was your only real suspect. And your Day 2 vote was a part of the Kitanna bandwagon. I'd call that safe, too.

Though the second vote in a bandwagon is a good place for a Wolf to hide. He/she encourages more votes without actually sealing a person's fate.

[Durelin]

Double posting, because I forgot...

Your reasoning about Lommy is actually quite a lot more compelling than anything you've offered against Rune, Menel.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I'd just gone over her while I was in the process of making that post, and frankly, I was surprised how well the theory took shape. I'm feeling somewhat inclined to vote for her at this point. I'd say she actually looks more suspicious than Rune does.

[Durelin]

"You don't need a weather man/To know which way the wind blows..." (http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/subterranean.html) :rolleyes:

:p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

08:46am Kath - Nogrod (Nogrod - 1)
11:16am Menel - Rune (Nogrod - 1; Rune - 1)
12:36pm Durelin - Kath (Nogrod - 1; Rune - 1; Kath - 1)
12:57pm Valier - Kath (Nogrod - 1; Rune - 1; Kath - 2)
03:51pm Nogrod - Kath (Nogrod - 1; Rune - 1; Kath - 3)
07:40pm Holby - Lommy (Nogrod - 1; Rune - 1; Kath - 3; Lommy - 1)
09:15pm Lommy - Kath (Nogrod - 1; Rune - 1; Kath - 3; Lommy - 1)
09:34pm Rune - Ang (Nogrod - 1; Rune - 1; Kath - 3; Lommy - 1; Ang - 1)
10:25pm Ang - Nogrod (Nogrod - 2; Rune - 1; Kath - 3; Lommy - 1; Ang - 1)
10:25pm Nilp - Volo (Nogrod - 2; Rune - 1; Kath - 3; Lommy - 1; Ang - 1; Volo - 1)
10:43pm Boro - Kath (Nogrod - 2; Rune - 1; Kath - 4; Lommy - 1; Ang - 1; Volo - 1)

I really need to go now, as I still have an exam in German that I need to study for. Since it took me a while to make this, and I'd be too lazy to make it again, I'll just leave this as it is and come back to it later to do the promised analysis.

[Volo]

Voloin, you're so cheerfully convinced in the rectitude of your own theories that I think you might very well be innocent.

I really suggest, though, that you put your pursuit of me aside. I know letting go of hobby-horses is very hard - I myself couldn't help suspecting Bofgrod and Nori, which turned out to be a stupendous blunder.
This is nice and all, but I don't go by "trust me, trust you"... I have severe time limits that sertainly reduce my use, but I'll try to be of help.

Nilp, I see you're trying to be of help, but why to be hunting only me? Am I getting close to something?
You're trying to be too safe. Making such diagrams is useful, but it doesn't tell your opinions...

I have my list full, but Nilp falls there behind the three I mentioned before.

[Meneltarmacil]

Durelin, I am honestly confused as to what you're trying to say in that last post.

Anyhow, I think I'll cast my vote now.

++Thinlómien

[Volo]

I think Lommy just had too little time to write posts of more reason (I'll check them when I find time myself). She doesn't have internet at home and her week has been pretty busy, I think.

I'm actually really sad, Anguirel or Anglock Holms isn't a person to be analysed by my manner. It's hopeless... :confused: I'd be really relieved if somebody with a skill in thinking more clearly would take the job to go through Anglock.

[Durelin]

Menel, do you not understand that if we don't get a Wolf today we are in dire straits? You shrug off your vote with a "Oh, I think I'll just vote now"...not that who you vote for matters. :rolleyes: :smokin:

My quoting of Bob Dylan was not merely because...well, it's Bob Dylan, but also because your post was the perfect example of going whichever way the wind blows. And I didn't need anyone to tell me that. But apparently I'm your weatherman. Or something. You know what, I just like the song...

But I still have an issue with your sudden switch of focus.

You go from "Rune is almost definitely a Wolf" to "Oh, what compelling reasoning against Lommy; thanks for pointing that out, Durelin" and "I'm inclined to vote for her" and then straight to voting for her...with a whole lot of nothing in between.



This is nice and all, but I don't go by "trust me, trust you"
I don't think he meant for you to just trust him...I think he just wants you to branch out in your suspicion and analysis. Unless of course you know who you want dead.



I'll try to be of help
I look forward to it.



Nilp, I see you're trying to be of help, but why to be hunting only me? Am I getting close to something?
You're trying to be too safe. Making such diagrams is useful, but it doesn't tell your opinions...
Just as you pointed out about yourself, Nilp has expressed an issue with time, and said in his last post that his actual analysis of the votings lists will come later.

As for the "why to be hunting only me?"...well, why are (or were?) hunting only Ang (perpetually) and myself? If you're really, seriously suspicious of myself and/or Ang then keep letting us know why. But after all you've said about Ang, you have yet to back up your words and vote for him.

Not that I'm asking you to vote, nor specifically for him. Please, please, everyone...still hold off as long as you can. We have yet to hear a word from Holby or Lommy, we've barely heard anything from Valier, and Nilp will hopefully have an interesting analysis soon. And our Seer might even have a revelation for us...? But I imagine if he/she hasn't stepped forward yet, they don't have much of anything for us...

And my dear Volotson, Anglock's methods are as simple as yours and mine: pure induction. I'll see about going through his posts, even though it is nearing 1 am here...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nilp, I see you're trying to be of help, but why to be hunting only me? Am I getting close to something? (Volo)Is that hint of a Gift? ;)

You're trying to be too safe. Making such diagrams is useful, but it doesn't tell your opinions... (Volo)Well, I'm sorry if you feel that way, but I prefer to work with the best empirical data I have. You can all you want about some villager or another, but when you vote you make a solid stand for or against someone. Now if only we could get one Wolf toDAY . . . we might bring these halls tumbling down on the others. (Our apologies to Beornómien if that does happen. :D )

Curse this computer! It's taking so long to load the pages. I need to see what certain people have said to do an analysis. :( But I must go: French class this time. I hope to be back before the deadline.

[Durelin]

Insanely long post... May want to just skip to my conclusions. I'll tell you this up here, though: this analysis has helped me organize my own thoughts, and strengthened my opinions. I am going to have to keep assuming Ang innocent. If he is a Wolf, he is far too good of one than I could ever even expect him to be. And I am going to continue with my top suspects, as I realize once again I'm not the only one who has been continually troubled by them.

No, there are no links really. Why? Because it's nearly 2 am here. I am not making links till 3.

Just to add on one thing to what you already did for Day 1: Ang returns right before the deadline, and wonders about Volo's flower motif, and then wonders how Spawn ended up with two votes. (I never really paid much attention to that...spawn died that Night. Were the Wolves trying to frame Ang?)

Day 2

He finds Volo a suspect, finding his mentioning of a Twin hint in one of dancing spawn's posts a possible gloat. Says Volo's Eomer vote does not mean much, but he does suspect him. (I beg to differ on that - he knew that those around at that time apparently felt, or seemed to feel, that they should all cooperate. But everyone was hesitating on voting...then Volo votes for Eomer, and it stacks up against him from there.)

Says that Valier's "elusiveness" worries him, even though he knows she's sick. (I agreed, and still do.) Determines that perhaps it isn't a bad idea to go back to suspicions of Day 1, and so is tempted to vote for Kitanna. He misses the vote. (That seems rather innocent to me. He doesn't try terribly hard to give an excuse, and yet he draws attention to the fact that he did not vote. If he was a Wolf, he would have been sneakier about it...or he would have been more likely not to miss the vote at all.)

Day 3

He wonders if Kitanna was right about fearing Boro. Thinks Nogrod opened the way to Lommy voting for Kitanna. Is troubled by Volo's "such wolves are for the Seer to catch" comment about Nogrod and Boro. Suggests the possibility of the Nogrod, Boro, Volo trio.

Defends himself and his criticism of the lynching of innocents, as it was suggested by Boro that he did this to make himself look better.

"The wolves' most deadly weapon, my friends, is consensus." Draws a parallel between one of Boro's posts and one of Volo's, saying that "Unintentionally or through ingenious subtlety, these two players here both encourage a kind of defeatism, suggesting that certain suspects are off-limits, not to be worried about, safe to assume about. That worries me."

Proposes there should be a closer look at Holby. Says he intends to vote for Volo. Thinks Boro is probably innocent.

Defends himself for the same things as before. Does not like focus on same people, same ideas, "consensus." Menel follows up with a screamingly duelist post, Ang reiterates.

Sparring with Boro.

Asks Nogrod questions.

Analyzes Holby HERE (http://forums.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505476&postcount=237). << I think this is good to look at. He concludes she is likely innocent.

Nogrod suspicion... Has an issue with the idea of the "valuable villager," finds it possible that Nogrod and Boro had a "phoney war."

Expresses that the Seer might be in great danger, and we cannot rely on him/her.

Votes Nogrod.

Remarks about Nog and Boro's "love-hate"ness. Predicts Kath is innocent to annoy everyone (at least Boro in particular) further.

ToDay, Day 4

Feels like a fool. (Not alone in that one!) Thinks Boro might have been killed because the Wolves thought he might be the Seer. Says it's interesting to note that Menel was one of Boro's main targets.

Says he is especially suspicious of Menel and Rune, for trying to keep the suspicion on the "big three."

Suspicion of Rune increases, and Volo and Lommy get added to his list, somewhat by association. Says he's still "unsettled by" Menel.

Says he does not suspect Durelin much, or Valier or Nilp.

Defense in response to Volo's start on an analysis. Just read it.

Sugests that Volo stop focusing so much of his attention on him. Replaces Volo on his supect list with Holby because of her comment on Nogrod and Boro being duelling innocents. (So? I thought them to be innocent, too. But then again, I could be in cahoots with Holby, couldn't I?)



Bomburlass - concision, typical inconspicuousness and seems to know a little too much.

Beorn - formed general alliance with Bofgrod and played something of a second fiddle in accusing me, from my point of view a known innocent. Nailed Eomi's coffin early on. A combination with Bomburlass would indicate a sly wolf-for-wolf vote at one point...hmmm. (Yes, Voloin, I intend to keep saying hmmm. Ha.)

Meneltarbo/Rune - I tend to think that one of these excludes the other, but can't quite decide on which of them looks more wolvish.

And here's my response to you, Ang:

Alright, I know we're into this giving up on the old, tired out suspicions, but you said so yourself, when you began considering voting for Kitanna, that going back to original suspicions might be a good idea. Well, for how long has Volo been discussed seriously as a Wolf? Might it be time to actually back up all our talking with a vote? I am incredibly guilty of not doing this, but I don't think I'm the only one.

I say it again, and I say this to everyone: there are three wolves left alive. We've thought on more than one occasion that we had a crafty Wolf, one hidden under so much that it took some brilliant induction to find him/her. But we haven't found one yet, have we? So why don't we go with what is right before our eyes, what we've been looking at all along... Forget about all the possibilities, and all the intricate ways you can connect people together and to wolfishness. There are too many ways.

Ask yourself, and not just because your therapist tells you to: Who have you consistently felt uneasy about?

For me, it's been Volo and Menel more than anyone else...because I always find Wolfishness about them, but then end up voting for someone else because I think what I see is too "obvious" to be true wolfishness. But everyone knows that things hiding in plain sight are the hardest to find when you expect them to be hiding!

[Durelin]

Just realized something interesting...

Menel was one of Boro's main suspects. But one of the last analyses Boro did was of Lommy. Menel votes for Lommy. Coincidence is funny sometimes, isn't it.

Another thing I find interesting is that one of his comments on Volo's general behavior is similar to his comment on Lommy's general behavior:


Okay, I've gone over Volo's posts, and basically I find him rather difficult to place. I can't really find much of a pattern in the people he's been suspicios of...

Thinlomien's suspicions are all over the place and don't leave much of a trail to follow

And yet it takes very little to get him to vote for Lommy, while he does not seem to hold any suspicion of Volo.

[Thinlómien]

Dear Anguirel, you accused me of being a second fiddlist. Now, I'm afraid, I will be the first one. You look furrier than any decent being has a right to be. I do not wish to repeat every point Boro, Nogrod, I and others have made against you at the moment, but you really seem wolvish. I'm very sad that although you have gathered a fair amount of suspicion, you've not been lynched this far. I hope today will make a change.

If I had to say who the companions were, I'd go for Menel, recalling what I said and thought yesterDay. Also, Ang who seems very wolvish to me, is suspecting Menel, but not enough to put him in his suspect list. Smells like wolf+wolf -behaviour.

I think that his [Boro's] behaviour towards the end of yesterday may have suggested to his murderers that he was the Seer. Yes, it might, but I think they (or should I say you) attempted to kill him the night before too. If Holby is right and the "he" was Oddwen's slip... Or maybe the wolves thought they'd have two advantages at once by killing Boro: getting rid of a vocal and intelligent villager who is able to be around late (can sometimes cast the decisive vote) and of getting rid of a probable seer. That's how I see it.

I don't, though, think that Nori was killed with the primary purpose of framing me, though that would have been a desirable side-effect. I think that his behaviour towards the end of yesterday may have suggested to his murderers that he was the Seer.
. . .
I don't think that Nori's suspects will necessarily be helpful - a frame-up, intentional or not, is so very likely
Though in other posts you've been saying Boro's death was not probably a frame-up, that little flip-flop didn't escape me.

formed general alliance with Bofgrod and played something of a second fiddle in accusing meNow that the chap is dead, I can as well say it. I thought him to be the seer because of one thing he said. Though his behaviour rang wolvish to me at times, I slightly defended him, because there was a risk of him being the seer. I'm very glad he wasn't the seer and the seer's still alive. As to Noggie thinking I'm innocent, I've no idea where that came from, except of my true nature shining through... :)


Ang seems pretty bad to me right now. Him taking the lead doesn't ease my suspicions at all. The big leader-like guys (Boro and Noggie) dead, he gladly steps to the boots and starts to steer the village his way. That is not incriminating per se, but if he's a wolf, that's a very bad thing.

Menel looks bad too. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that way, though.

Durelin has been quite helpful but I think she's so wrong about Ang... The wolves wouldn't do too bad forming alliances at this phase, when two agreeing people can really make the balance sway. I don't know what to think of her.

Rune is a bit confusing, but his posts from toDay seem innocentish... But it's too fatal a mistake to trust anyone at this phase, and as Rune still lays in my "gray" zone, I don't trust him either...

Volo's a tough one to read... I can't say anything reasonable of him and it bugs me. Mostly he's his normal self though, and that could speak for his innocence. I don't know.

Valier and Holby don't look too suspicious either. But, with the little amount of talk from them, they could be wolves as well: there's too little to go on. Please, talk more.

Anguirel has good reasoning about Nilp's innocence. I'd like to hear more of Nilp's suspicions anyway...

I will be back in a few hours. If there's anything you wish to ask me, please do so.

[Thinlómien]

My philosophy teacher deserves to be assigned to the Shire! She said we don't need to be present in the lessons today if we hand her our assignments on Thursday. How could she know I was in the mist of a heated ww-game?

I know why I'm convinced of Ang's guilt, but I see you others maybe don't. In the next 2 hours I will be making an angalysis and if, as I assume, I find it incriminating, also a case against him.

[Anguirel]

It's fortunate that I think you a wolf, because a schism between two innocents as loud as us would be a terrible misfortune...

[Anguirel]

I wish to make another of my astonishingly accurate predictions.

Beorn will shortly produce a painfully long "analysis" of everything I've written, in which every joke, insult, defence or attack will be construed as commands to secret accomplices, in which hairs will be split (ho ho) to produce accusations of inconsistency, and whose conclusions I could probably write now, in my sleep.

The rest of the day will then consist in obsessing about whether or not I am guilty. I won't bother to defend myself. An innocent, though quite probably not me, will be hanged in the general confusion.

It would be very nice if for once my prediction didn't come true.

I really wish I were a wolf, because if so I would currently have an ego five times larger than phantom's. But I regretfully insist that that is not the case.

[Anguirel]

And a final point - Beorn, your command of the Anglo-Saxon tongue is remarkable, so please read my quotations that you believe constitute a "flip-flop" with more meticulousness. They do not contradict each other.

One says a frame-up was not the primary purpose - that purpose being to kill a Seer.

The other refers to a frame-up, intentional or unintentional. Even if intentional, I'm certain it was not the primary intent.

I'm sure your grasp of philosophy is up to these elementary concepts, so I think you're attempting to twist my words for your own gain. Beware. On verbal subjects I am at my spikiest.

I do not suspect Volo, by the way, and, sad to say, increasingly have doubts about Durelin. I've taken her innocence too much for granted in the past. However, with such an excellent foe as Miss Beorn to hand I am most unlikely to vote for Durelin.

[Durelin]

:rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Day 1
#6 Day one nonsense about his kingship etc. Asks about the twins.
#12 Thanks spawn for information, says "Does this mean, though, that these Twins have not infiltrated the Wolves? I am still somewhat bemused." Surely a wolf would want to be clear about this kind of things, but why ask it one the game thread, I wonder. Maybe spawn was right on this... Mildly defends Menel in an in-character-manner.
#15 More kingship-nonsense. In-character accusation against Farael.
#26 Says that Boro was "flatteringly servile" earlier, says "I would be suspicious, but then, after all, I do deserve it, being the King Under The Mountain and all." Says will probably vote Farael, keeps reasoning in-character. Was he serious? Doesn't like Boro's innocence-declarations and notes that Holby was quick to attack Durelin.
#27 Says good night. Why is he this earnest to point out he's leaving? Why bother? In werewolf people come and go... Maybe he's more nervous than his silky and royal robe implies...
#58 Says Kitanna evades suspicion better as a wolf, wonders her highlighting "this early". Says he's still inclined to vote Farael, wonders that I have not spoken much yet, but thinks there will be a change.
#60 Reacts to rune's vote for Farael. Says he won't vote him unless he really is suspicious. Now, that is reasonable, yes, in a way, but... This makes me feel he deliberatedly wants to vote someone who won't get lynched on Day1. I say that is escaping the responsibilty. And who'd like to do this... A wolf, by any chance?
#68 Says Rune was mistaken about him being about to vote Durelin. Makes an interesting, yet unlikely theory about Rune acting against Durelin. Notes also Holby's and spawn's suspicions of Durelin. Somehow, this strikes me as something one could say against a wolf companion's suspectors... Says that the wolves probably aren't backing each other's suspicions at this phase.
#76 Votes Boro, because he (Boro) suspects him (Ang) (how clever to get away of reataliatory suspicion of one's suspectors by joking about it, certainly could be interpreted as wolvish) and because Boro said "If Gloanna be lynched, I'll be after Lord Anguirelshield and Kath tomorrow." I find it reasonable for Ang to find that suspicious. After all, that kind of behaviour is suspicious.
#78 Jokingly answers spawn's "accusation" that he was not his normal bright self.
#98 Wonders about Volo's flowers. Asks about deadline (just before the deadline) and agrees with me that spawn getting two votes is weird. If he was around this late, why did he vote so early? Anything can happen in a few hours, for example a wolf may slip something very incriminating against him/herself. Anyone who's able should preferably vote as late as they can to catch these. I smell a wolf playing it safe, voting so early.

Day2
#128 Informs of his difficulties in getting online. says he'll be back and that "Voloin case" looks interesting.
#148 Agrees that he tends to vote Boro on day1, explains it's because of past experiences. Repeats his point (the one he had in #76) against Boro. says that it was cruel that Eomer was killed and said if he could (had he saved casting his vote), he would have saved him. His famous you-did-it-wrongs begin. Note his own words about saving casting his vote. Why on earth did he not save it? Says can see Volo's catching and presenting spawn-twin-hint as wolvish, says he suspects him. Says: "It's possible that Dwalin was targetted purely because she'd voted for the lynch-victim and thus left little in the way of a trail. She was also one of the most helpful analysts around, in my view." Wolf or not, he makes quite a lot of sense occasionally. This is one of those points.
#160 Says won't expand the vote list, though he'd like to see Boro there. Replies to me about Durelin's false view about my dangerousness as evil saying it probably isn't incrimintaing. I agree, it isn't, but I wasn't actually suggesting it was. Anguirel seems quite quick to defend Durelin, hmmm.... Says Valier's a bit suspicious and that he's tempted to vote Kitanna.
No vote.

Day 3
#188 Apologises for missing the vote. Notes about Farael's behaviour. advises the seer to stay hidden. Why? Is he trying to seem helpful and trustworthy? Or is he trying to get the seer (who he thinks might have been targeted during the night) to take his/her information to the grave, knowing no one will be protecting the one Farael was protecting the next night? Call Kit "poor Gloanna" and wonders if she was right about Boro being guilty. Expresses suspicion of Boro again... I think it's pretty unfair of him to cry over the lynch yesterday while he himslef said he could vote Kit. Also, the whole Boro-affair seems incriminating. I just see him as trying to attack Boro in the night, and when failing, trying to get him lynched during the day. I see him as desperately wanting to get rid of Boro. maybe Boro seemed seerish... because of his suspicions of Ang?
#190 Says seeing Kit's lasts words as a confession seems suspicious. Based on that suspects me and Nogrod, more him than me, since, in Ang's opinion, eased the way for me to vote Kit. That even wasn't true. My vote-post xed with Nogrod's confession-speculation. Ang could have checked that, did he really have suspicions. But a wolf who has only theatre-suspicions wouldn't maybe check... Wonders if Volo is allied with Boro and/or Noggie, since he says wolves like them are for the seer to catch.
#196 Doesn't want to turn the day to a trial against him as it's "waste of time". Is it, really? Echoes rune's point about Boro's suspicions against him (Ang) aren't very valid. Says: "You can't have it both ways, Nori88 - accuse me of stupidity, but don't accuse me of cunning. " Admits flip-flopping on Kit, says should have defended her properly and voted. What?!? He said he could vote her, and that was the last thing he said about her on day2. admits he could be a cunning wolf. Oh, he must be enjoying this... If you are a wolf, Nori88, you're getting surprisingly hot under the collar - you've been known to behave with more savoir-faire - so I'm willing to grant you a stay of execution. Says: "If you are a wolf, Nori88, you're getting surprisingly hot under the collar - you've been known to behave with more savoir-faire - so I'm willing to grant you a stay of execution." repeats suspicion of a Volo + Boro/Nogrod wolf duo.
#198 Notes that wolves' most deadly weapon is consensus. says Volo and Nogrod encourage defeatism.
#200 Compares himself to Kitanna, saying wonders if shares her fate, (is trying to sound like a martyr, I see) and says is too tired to argue with Boro. Intends to vote Volo and wants to have a look at Holby. Thinks Boro innocent.
#201 Claims he wasn't critical of Kit's lynch. Yes he was, afterwards, though not as strongly as some people let us believe, I admit. Denies spending the morning "pointlessly lamenting the dead". Says will concentrate on Holby and Volo rather than (Boro and Nogrod?).
#203 Asks people not to concentrate on "possibly mutually misguided duelists". I see, he's leaning on the common conception that the bitterest fights in ww take place between to innocents. Quite clever of him.
#205 Wants to inquisit Nogrod. In-character banter with Boro.
#210 Asks Nog questions: Why did he take Kit's words as a confession? Why was he so happy to follow the suspicion consensus? Does he himself thinks he has a lot of power in the village?
#237 Analyses Holby. Cocludes she's innocent, but used by some vocal players, mainly Nogrod. Plans to vote him. Would you like to elaborate, Ang? How and when is she used?
#239 Accuses Nogrod of elitism and criticizes his way of thinking.
#240 Informs when he will vote. Again... Is he nervous?
#242 Says it's quite obvious that wolves went for the seer last night. I agree with him, though.
#244 Says we shouldn't trust the seer too much and partly based on that votes Nogrod. If the wolves killed the seer next night, wouldn't this make him look good... I'm more and more confident he's a wolf, and a clever one...
#250 "Bofgrod and Nori are in a state of flirtatious love-hate I can't bring myself to like. Oh, and as I know this made me so very popular before - I predict Kath is innocent." It's easy predict, if knows all the wolves...

Day 4
#254 Encourages people to speak. Good! At least we agree about something! Says Boro's behaviour yesterday maybe suggested seerdom to the wolves. Says the seer should come out, but on the other hand, shouldn't. In a way that sounds quite suspicious, but I'm not accusing him for that; I'm doing that kind of things all the time! :D Says: "I don't think that Nori's suspects will necessarily be helpful - a frame-up, intentional or not, is so very likely - but it might be interesting to note that one of his main targets was Meneltarbo." He's intentionally swaying attention from himself, one of boro's main suspects. Tsk, tsk. Also suspects Menel and Rune for suspecting mainly him, Boro and Noggie.
#259 Says wolves don't generally do farme-ups and concludes all the targeted ones this far are thus probably those who look seerish to the wolves. Agreed, that's why you're guilty, dear Ang. Suspects Rune and Volo/me for an alliance against him and thus wolfdom. The three that are easy to make a case against and get lynched. How crafty. Thinks Durelin innocent, and Valier and Nilp maybe too. The three generally trusted ones. How crafty. Says his main suspects are Rune, me and Volo, but Menel worries him too.
#262 Asks Volo to read more carefully. Says every kill frames people. Surprise, surprise. Implies Volo might be mistaken by comparing him to Lestrade. What a wonderful way of telling him he's wrong, doing it that politely and in a friendly way. Masterful job.
#264 Asks Volo to put his pursuit of him (Ang) aside. Replaces Volo with Holby in his suspect list. Trading trust, are we?!? Anguirel, I wound't be surprised if you howled. Thinks Holby suspicious because she thought Noggie and Boro were dueling after they had stopped it in Ang's opinion. Says that Holby, I ( was allied with Nogrod, played the second fiddle in accusing him, nailed Eomer's coffin "early on") and Menel/Rune, can't decide which.

That's everything this far.

That guy really talks too much.

He uses humour as a weapon. It's dangerous. you never know when he's serious and when not, and so he can always say "I was not serious" or "I was serious" afterwards, what looks best for him.

Also, he seems a bit nervous at times. That's not his normal innocent self-like.

I'm convinced he's a wolf. If you're not, after my analysis, consider Boro's death. The wolves probably thought him the seer. Who was Boro's main suspect early on? Ang. He himself says the kill was probably not an intentional frame-up. I bet the wolves were scared of Boro after he had "nailed" Ang.

edit: xed with Angx2 + Dury

[Thinlómien]

Haha, at least the first of your predictions is correct, Ang.

I'm not interested to engage in a verbal contest about meanings of words and sentences with you, Ang, knowing your undeniable skill with words and my broken English. I accept your explanation about that flip-flop. Anyway, I was mistaken, or you were flip-flopping, since I interpreted the "unintentional or not" part as it being possible that Boro's death was an intentional frame-up, whether you meant it so, or not.

Now, schoolwork calls, but I'll be back in a few hours.

[Durelin]

Okay, so I had a humongously long post and I just lost it all.

Screw it.

VOLO IS A WOLF.

Ang is innocent.

I didn't get a dream on Night 1.
I dreamt of Nogrod on Night 2.
I dreamt of Ang on Night 3.
Volo Night 4.

I knew he was a Wolf...wish I had seriously gone after him sooner. I might be dead by now, though, if I had.

I think Menel and Valier are his fellow wolves.

Read over Volo's and their posts now, if you can, knowing he is a Wolf.

Sorry for letting you innocent guys waste time, but I had a myriad of possible plans for toDay, which I had outlined in detail but now lost... Basically, I hoped we could somehow get a Wolf toDay, and then I'd somehow survive the Night. I planned on dreaming of Valier.

Looking at everyone else, though, I actually become more certain that the trio is the most likely. I suppose Holby could fit in there, as I don't think Volo or Menel ever seriously went after her, but... And Menel's going after Rune could have been an attempt to distance himself from him.

I think Val's silence today except for her one supposed to look helpful but really more like an attempt to get the Seer to slip up or to out themselves is much more incriminating than Holby's silence.

The Menel and Volo connections sometimes seem too obvious to me, but hello...all three Wolves are still alive! And personally I think it's because of overthinking. Re-read some of my earlier stuff for more on that if you need to. Or just start reading over the likely three's posts...now there's a better idea.

Really Menel could even go toDay. His vote for Lommy, way before the deadline, really really bothers me. He doesn't even say he has to vote then. He just does.

I don't know...I've only gotten 3 hours of sleep.

So, Menel, Val, got anything for me? Will you guys finally turn on your Wolf pal? Perhaps you'd like to suggest Volo and I are totally in cahoots? Because we totally are. His attempt earlier toDay to get me lynched that went nowhere...yeah, total attempt to distance himself from me. Not that I've been going after him of and on for a couple days now...

Okay, so, be good...and I'll hopefully be back with more thoughts. Though most of my thoughts are already out there...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Okay, class is over. (That French exam was agonising to see . . . ) Here's the promised DAY 3 analysis--it's disappointing, though.

One can group the voters into three groups: the Kath bandwaggon, the duelists's votes, and . . . miscellaneous. :o I think it's not a far-fetched to imagine a Wolf in each group.

Under the first group we have Durelin, Valier, and Lommy. To say something about the victim, Kath was a bit suspicious to begin with, but his biased analysis of Nogrod (qq.v. 213 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505431&postcount=213), 218 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505439&postcount=218)) was the nail that cost the kingdom (or something like that).

Durelin's reason for voting (q.v. 219 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505440&postcount=219)) was sound. GOING HOTLY AFTER SOMEONE WITHOUT CIRCUMSPECTION AT A CRITICAL PHASE OF THE GAME IS A BAD MOVE (a warning to all out there, even myself.) I see little to be suspicious of her at the moment.

Valier accepted the arguments set forth at face-value (q.v. 230 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505457&postcount=230).) Quite suspicious, and added to that she throws suspicion at me out of nowhere, alluding to my lack of sensible posts.

Lommy's vote lacks reasoning (I did try looking for one, but apparently she believed Boromir 'has good points, especially that one about Kath.' (q.v. 234 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505469&postcount=234)) In the same post she answers Boro's suspicion of her. Interesting . . .

Also, she trusts a wolf-Menel to be able to reveal himself easier. Perhaps, it can be read to mean that if Menel is lynched and turns out to be furry, she can get credit for it. Hmmm . . .

Next, the 'duel'-voters:

Menel's reason to vote for Rune (q.v. 207 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505416&postcount=207)) is rather feeble, and it has been even more weakened due to Nogrod's innocence, yet he holds on to it toDAY until Durelin tells him that his analysis of Lommy makes more sense--see 277 (http://69.51.5.41/showthread.php?p=505612#post505612) then read on to the bottom of the page.

Whoa.

Ang posted this gem (239 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505478&postcount=239)) which made him suspicious of Nogrod. Although he ended up wrong, he seems to think of nothing but the good of this village. (All hail the King under the Mountain!)

Nilp: I still think Volo is fanged. But hey, I'm expanding my horizons. :D

Now, the others. (Sorry.)

Holby seized on Lommy's strange vote for Eomer back in DAY 1. (q.v. 233 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505466&postcount=233))

Rune's casus voting (q.v. 238 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505477&postcount=238)) makes me scratch my head. And a bit uneasy . . .

Volo didn't vote. Maybe his furry friends lectured him not to vote rashly. :p

Now, what have I learned from this? Lommy and Menel feels hairy, but if they are two of the Wolves I find their tactic strange. They're trying to get each other killed! Then again, a wolf-Menel back in WWIX did the same thing with Shelob, and they won that game with their numbers intact. (A little history; it makes Menel look all the more dangerous to me.)

Who could the third Wolf be? Rune? Valier? Volo?!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Haha, I was right! Curse you, fiend! Eat whatever form of execution we can scrounge up!

++Volo

[Thinlómien]

I can't believe this! I was so convinced of Ang's guilt. Holy cow. I don't honestly know what to think.

Well, I'll believe Durelin, I think. Of course she might be a wolf, but I don't think it very probable. And if she was one, we'd know it tomorrow, and we wouldn't be even doomed yet.

Uh-oh. I stand corrected about Ang... I'm just baffled. He was so guilty-ish. Well, I guess I must apologise for a rather fierce attack... :)

Volo a wolf... Well, that's news. No offense, but he's clearly outdone his ancestors both in deception and in making good points by far.

++VOLO

Good work Volo, I'm glad we had Durelin. Well done, Durelin, catching a wolf. Our situation looks better now.

I find it still so diffcult to understand Ang's not guilty... How could I have been this wrong?!? :eek: I mean, it was not generally being wrong, but being convinced and wrong...

Now that Rune has been released of my very faint seer-suspicions I will be focusing in him more than before...

Huh, Ang, you can be quite convincing wolf as an innocent... :D

[Anguirel]

Blast, blast, blast.

While delivering pink slips to naughty boys as an errand for my Headmaster (don't ask) it occurred to me that Durelin's trust in me probably had a deeper motive than mere suspiciously friendliness. I returned too late.

My apologies, stalwart Orilin, for doubting you. If we could double-lynch I would vote for another suspect and try to bag two wolves, but as it is, I'll get the vote out of the way...

++VOLOIN

I don't believe I let myself get convinced by his "I'm Lestrade" garbage. I was caught because my metaphor was flattered. I also thought his assault on me was too earnestly wrong to be lupine. How mistaken I was.

I think, agonising as it is to read Beorn's reservoir of vitriol, there may be evidence inside it that help us decide about her. And all Voloin's actions should clearly be examined anew.

I'm sorry to have failed you, great Seer; we shall ensure you have a fine burial tomorrow morning...

[Anguirel]

Beorn, in the event of your innocence, I have some rather patronising advice for you.

Always consider the eventuality of your being wrong...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

This Seer revelation comes at a price.

Not only is our Seer's fate sealed, we shall have a lack of insightful voting analysis tomorrow. But I guess it's a price to pay for a bigger chance to save this vilage.

What I want to say is: you may vote for the right person, but for the wrong reason. I'll be watching what you say--or fail to say--in your votes.

I should have dinner now. Felagund, out.

[Volo]

Not only is our Seer's fate sealed...
Yup. But I doubt that Durelin will be the one to die...

Four votes, three wolves, one innocent. Lommy is innocent. The others (Durelin and Anguirel) are wolves, Nilpaurion is probably the third.
Yes, that would make sense. I can't remember that either of the wolves truly suspected Nilpaurion. And it's easy to see that Durelin and Anguirel are a team, what team but a wolf team?

If Durelin were a Seer, she's a bad Seer... First of all, the Seer shouldn't reveal herself at this moment, as the only "Seer" that would really profit from it is a hairy seer. But yes, you revealed and killed the real Seer.

Night2: Nogrod -> innocent
Night3: Boromir -> innocent
Night4: Lommy -> innocent

I'm the worst Seer you've ever had, but at least I'm a Seer... A Seer at a loss. Lommy's analyse really impressed me! Hmm. That should be reason to vote Anguirel tomorrow and Durelin the day after.
I think that the game is pretty clear now, except for the third wolf... But I bet it's Nilpaurion!

You might wonder why I trusted people before my dream. No, I didn't trust them, I actually "trusted" them to stay safe, Nogrod or Boromir wouldn't want to kill somebody who trusted them if they were wolves. And I had to "trust" them before I knew the truth, I would be dead if I started trusting them after the first dreams...

I'll analyze Nilpaurion Felagund next.

[Anguirel]

I suggest that we treat the wolf as if he's speaking Ancient Sanskrit, until tomorrow, when his burblings may be of use.

[Holbytlass]

Sorry, Volo, but Durelin wasn't in any real danger of getting lynched so she didn't need to come up with this ruse. I'm glad we'll have a known innocent to help tomorrow as the wolves can't kill two :p.

++VOLO


I still find Lommy suspicious and would have voted her toDAY. Thank you, seer, though.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yeah at this point I see no other option than to vote Volo. It could be that Durelin is a wolf, but she was not really in danger zone of being lynched so I think it is unlikely.

++Volo

[Anguirel]

The interesting aspect of this affair, actually, is that the wolf has evidently prepared for being a fake Seer, as shown by his "trusting", and indeed his comment about leaving Bofgrod and Nori to the Seer - which he will have hoped to use to distract the real Seer. Now he whips off his cloak and produces a list of highly convenient dreams, probably half convincing himself that he has had them.

It was, in fact, rather an innovative, premeditated and elaborate plan. I wonder if he shared it with his fellow villains, and if so whether any signs of it will show up in their behaviour.

Apart from that, I think there's little value in what he's said. What value there is I shall expound upon tomorrow.

[Thinlómien]

If, for some weird reason, Volo was right, we know it tomorrow.

Beorn, in the event of your innocence, I have some rather patronising advice for you.

Always consider the eventuality of your being wrong... :D I did consider it, but, well... not enough, it seems.

-------------------
Please fellow villagers, if you have something incriminating against me, bring it up now and I'll answer it asap. You know I'm online only on the late half of the day, and I'd rather not find myself lynched tomorrow with a comment "you didn't answer the accusations". Of course I understand you're most occupied with analysing Volo's posts right now, but if you happen to have something you wish me to answer, ask it now unless you know you'll be able to be around in the last half of tomorrow.

edit: xed with Ang

[Volo]

Day2

#139 Here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505201&postcount=139) is enough reason for Nilp to be wolf.
I seem to see that Nilp is known for not killing Spawn, right? Well, now Nilp decided to win, that nasty wolf...

#143 Now (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505212&postcount=143) he's messing around.

#146 Here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505217&postcount=146) he saves his text from messing around. This one a good post, but Nilp suspects Volo, Kitanna, Nogrod and Holbytlass. Two of those were innocent, on is the Seer and one... I don't know, but probably innocent.
Votes Kitanna, while his own accusations were not for her, as I see it.

Day3

#245 Huh? (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505485&postcount=245) I don't really see your point in accusing me... I think even an innocent would want to stay safe, but that is not the point here. You vote me for voting Kitanna whom you voted yourself? If this ain't wolfish, nothing is! And I did think that Kitanna was the wolf, thanks to you too!

Day4

#271 "How sad" (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505602&postcount=271) and continues suspecting me...

#276 Again... (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505610&postcount=276) But I voted by trusting you, Nilp, you...
Posts this vote diagram with analysis coming later. (:o)

#282 Diagram (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505617&postcount=282) for the third day's votes.

#287 Comments (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505635&postcount=287) my comment on him. What is this thing about Gifts? If you mean if I have a Gift, yes I do. If you mean that you have a Gift, no you don't.

#299
Analysis (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505660&postcount=299) , at last... Who does he trust? Durelin and Anguriel or course! And who does he find suspicious?
Lommy for lack of reason in her vote. I don't think it's that bad to listen to others and use their points in your own votes... True, Lommy explained badly.
Menel, I agree, Menel did seem scary, but there can't be four wolves, so Menel is innocent.
Rune for his badly explained but right vote.
Holby for her careful vote, and wrong by the way...
Volo, because I didn't vote. Hey, I was away... Just like you on day1! Take that!
I conclude that this throwing suspicions on every wall and making it with humor, just like Anguriel.

#300
Votes (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505661&postcount=300) me. Because his fellow wolf told that she's the Seer and I'm a wolf. At this point, I would expect better from you, why to trust the first one to say "Seer", go through them both and decide for yourself...

#304 How (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505665&postcount=304) very ironic, yes the Seer's fate is sealed. You must have had a good laugh when voting the Seer. Goes away as a victorious wolf.

Take that! And Lommy, you'll die next night for being innocent. Hope to see you in the Afterlife.

Valier, Menel, Rune, Holby, don't die!


EDIT: X:d with everything since my last post.

[Volo]

I suggest that we treat the wolf as if he's speaking Ancient Sanskrit, until tomorrow, when his burblings may be of use.
That's nasty even for a wolf...
Rune, Holby, what are you doing? Think first and vote after... No sense trusting the "Seer" this much... Even the Seer shouldn't be fully trusted. Even if there are no wolves around.

Eh, whatever. You win, even if you betray me. At least we got this over and all of the wolves out. One Seer isn't as important as three wolves.

Bye. I'll die with a smile, because I know that you were in safe hands and can manage yourself now.

I just wish to chose my death. I'll commit suicide by drinking poison! :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Volo makes me wonder, not giving up...

If it happened that he really was the seer and Durelin was a fake seer and I die next night (what a weird scenario), please, fellow villagers, kill Durelin (surprise) and especially Ang, be Durelin a wolf, Ang's one too. And killing him would satisfy some barbaric aspect of me... be he innocent or not. :p (Really Ang, you keep giving me creeps! I can hardly bring myself to believe you're innocent, you look so bad. And you keep sounding wolvish!) And I'd bet Menel's the third wolf then.
------

As to the current situation then. I assume Dury's innocent and Ang too, and Volo's a wolf.

I think Menel is a wolf too, but I need to check his and Volo's relations. The same checking goes for Rune and Holby and Valier and Nilp. If I should just guess, I'd go for ether Holby or Rune... I can't really see the point of Holby's single-mindedness in continuously attacking me... I wouldn't be too surprised if she was revealed a wolf.

xed with Volo

[Valier]

++Volo

and just so you know before you most likely die Durelin....I am not a wolf. :) I will hopefully have more tomorrow.

[Anguirel]

The chance of the wolf telling the truth, and in fact being the Seer, is nil.

However...in the extremely unlikely event that I am completely wrong, Voloin's current claims - that his innocence proves me and Nilp guilty, instead of just Orilin - is of course nonsense. Beorn, it disconcerts me that you're giving ear to it, but then I suppose you are the rival proven innocent. If you're not a wolf, Voloin clearly wanted you onside anyway.

I suppose we shouldn't rule out, either, the possibility that Moddwen has secretly thrown a false Seer into the ring (they can't both be real, as their dreams contradict each other). But on the whole I find that extremely implausible.

Goodbye, Lestrade. And no, it isn't au revoir...

[Volo]

Goodbye, Lestrade. And no, it isn't au revoir...
Yea, whatever. :D
But who's Moriarty? And Watson? What if I'm Watson? Yes, what if I'm Moriarty... :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

But were there a false seer, all the dreams wouldn't be false; both our seer-candidates have claimed Nogrod innocent as he was. Nah, I think another of them is a pretender, and I think it's most probably Volo.

But why would he start such a fight? Why did he do all this? He's not the last wolf alive, why to cause such confusion...? Why would he name just me innocent? I had already voted him. I thought he would rather have tried to lure someone that had not voted yet... If he's a wolf, did he except his fellow wolves to offer him support? I'm quite baffled.

Ang, what do you mean by me giving ear to Volo? I acknowledge the possibility he's right, not Durelin, but I still believe that Durelin's the seer. What's wrong with that? I'm not a seer anyway, I can't see their roles, so isn't it perfctly reasonable for me to say a few things about if Volo's right, especially when if things were so, I'd be the next one killed?
If you're talking about me saying you and Dury should be lynched, be Volo the real seer... That's certainly not giving ear to him, the Dury-lynch is pure sense and obvious, and about lynching you... well... you can't say I didn't think that before Volo mentioned it! :p

edit. xed with Volo

[Anguirel]

Fair enough, Beorn, perhaps I was a little over strict. In any case, Volo's latest post has rendered the question pretty much academic.

[Thinlómien]

Fair enough, Beorn, perhaps I was a little over strict. In any case, Volo's latest post has rendered the question pretty much academic.It looks so... I hope it's so, otherwise this little game might get a bit too complicated.

[Oddwen]

VOTING IS CLOSED

Death to follow shortly.

(I apologize for the even-earlier-than-I-had-thought NIGHT, I forgot the BD's clock was much slower. Next DAY should begin at the normal time.)

[Oddwen]

Hackles were up, beards were stiffened and waggling, toe-hair was especially curly - finally, a promising lynch candidate.

"No no!" cried Voloin. "I'm the Seer!"

"Uh, no you're not," said Orilin.

"I'll PROVE it!" snarled Voloin. From his party jacket he whipped out a small bottle, emblazoned with a skull and marked in several distinct runes to be 'Poison'.

"And what is that supposed to prove?" snapped Anguirelshield.

"That you're wrong, and I am the only Gifted left in this hall." Voloin looked them all in the eye. "Do you want I should drink this?"

"Yes," said everyone.

"Er," he said. "You want me, your Seer, to drink this POISON?"

"Yes," they said again. "Votes are irritractable, after all."

He began to sweat. "Fine," he said quietly. "You'll be sorry." With a swift movement and a fierce grimace, he downed the bottle in one gulp. Then he exploded.

You thought dwarves were hairy - well, you've never seen a were-dwarf. He clawed at the sky and screamed out his rage at Orilin (especially), and charged. But before he got there, the eyes melted out of his skull and he dropped dead.

"Baruk Khazad!" they all bellowed in joy, though not one of them had to raise an axe. "For the Shire!" "For the Carrock!" "Edro, Edro!"

Living:
Beornomien
Valier the Grey
Meneltarbo Baggins
Thorin Angurielsheild
Runi son of Bjarne
Orilin
Bifur Fegalund
Bomburlass


Dead:
Eomi of the Rohirrim (Innocent), beheaded on DAY one
dwancing spawn of fundin (Twin), beheaded on NIGHT two
Nari (Twin), died of sorrow on NIGHT two
Gloanna (Innocent), hung on DAY two
Farael the Deathless (Protector), crushed with a hammer protecting his choice on NIGHT three
Kathin (Hunter), lynched on DAY three
Bofgrod (Innocent), taken down with the hunter on DAY three
Dori88 (Innocent), dismembered on NIGHT four
Voloin (Werewolf), took poison and melted his own brains on DAY four

Surprise - it's NIGHT five! Wolves may start regrouping. I need names please from them, and also from the Seer if you wish.

[Oddwen]

Despite the precautions they took, Orilin was found dead the next morning, most of her face clawed away. They burned her body also, and also used the same "She was a burned dwarf" quote when she was asked of.

But when the fire died, they found in her ashes two stunning blue gems.

"Her eyes?" they said incredulously. "If we ever get home, we're going to start a worldwide search for Seers! And...well, um, ask if we can have their eyes.........no, nevermind."

Living:
Beornomien
Valier the Grey
Meneltarbo Baggins
Thorin Angurielsheild
Runi son of Bjarne
Bifur Fegalund
Bomburlass


Dead:
Eomi of the Rohirrim (Innocent), beheaded on DAY one
dwancing spawn of fundin (Twin), beheaded on NIGHT two
Nari (Twin), died of sorrow on NIGHT two
Gloanna (Innocent), hung on DAY two
Farael the Deathless (Protector), crushed with a hammer protecting his choice on NIGHT three
Kathin (Hunter), lynched on DAY three
Bofgrod (Innocent), taken down with the hunter on DAY three
Dori88 (Innocent), dismembered on NIGHT four
Voloin (Werewolf), took poison and melted his own brains on DAY four
Orilin (Seer), defaced on NIGHT five

DAY five has begun, please discuss the implications of this.

[Anguirel]

How regrettable. Now let's get down to SLAYING WOLVES!

The obvious puzzle of today is the guilt or innocence of Beorn.

Less obvious is the hunt for possible low-key wolves.

Durelin gave it as her opinion that our remaining foes were Menel and Valier. I suspect the former but not the latter. What do others think?

(I will elucidate in time, I'm rushing now, hence the terseness...)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

For a second I had forgot that you are a known innocent. . . .I can't belive that neither you, boro or Nogrod are furry.

anyways after yesterdays events I am inclined to belive Menel to be a wolf, for the same reasons as me and Durelin stated yesterday.

Valier, Nilp and Holby I am very nervous about. . . .I simply do not know what to think, personaly I am inclined to suspect Valier above the two others.

Untill I have looked into Lommy's posts of yesterday she is the one I am least weary about. But that can change. . . it is nothing, but a gut feeling.

[Anguirel]

For a second I had forgot that you are a known innocent. . . .I can't belive that neither you, boro or Nogrod are furry.


I can. Sod's Law dictated it...

[Valier]

I remember a time when Boro was a wolf and was killed by the Seer, he used his last words to confuse the village. He mentioned myself (fellow wolf) and an Ordo, I believe Volo has done the same here...

That's nasty even for a wolf...
Rune, Holby, what are you doing? Think first and vote after... No sense trusting the "Seer" this much... Even the Seer shouldn't be fully trusted. Even if there are no wolves around.

I believe either one or both of these are a wolf. Volo's a smart guy and I am sure he was trying a bluff, perhaps even a double to help his remaining friends.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Valier would you mind explaining to me how Volo's last comment makes you think?

For me it neither incriminates or clears anybody, but maybe it is just me that is dumb.

What is the bluff? You see, I need to know what the bluff is to know what the dubble bluff is, otherwise I cannot form an opinion of what you say.

Anyways I have to go, I won't be back for another 8-10 hours.

[Valier]

Ok well we can assume that most of the stuff Volo said was lies, but I am sure he slipped in the names of his fellow wolves so that we would just think he was talkin crazy or look another way. He mentions You Rune, Menel, Holby and myeslf, saying don't die. and To Lommy he says she is Innocent. I am sure he mentioned at least one wolf to try and save them. I say double bluff because I think he may have mentioned both, but who it is....I am unsure. I will be helping today as much as I can and I swear we will catch us a wolf.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, my suspicions mainly lie with Lommy, though Rune is also on my list.

Lommy acts really unsure of herself, which is believable for someone who's only wolvish ancestor was a Fenris Wolf. She's joined all the major bandwagons as well.

However, yesterDay's events give some reason to doubt that she is a wolf, Mainly, Wolf-Volo's proclamation that she'll die toDay for being innocent. This seems a little odd, but he was posing as the Seer at the time. Does anyone else have any idea what he meant by that?

[Valier]

Ok well I have brought this down to this....
I think Lommy and Holby to be innocent. Holby I have thought so almost well....blindly from the beginning. That is probably not good, but I can't help it, she just gives me that feeling. Lommy has been suspicious what with her attack on Ang and her voting, but after reading through her thoughts seem innocent, she seems to have been thinking along the same way I was. I didn't suspect Volo nearly at all and I was seeing things about Ang that looked wolfish. If these two are the last wolves....cudos

So that leves Rune and Menel, and well Nilp. Rune has been, well I've thought suspicious all along. He just doesn't sit right with me. He may be pushing a fellow wolf out into the spotlight to save himself. Menel mildy suspects Rune, but wants to lynch Lommy. looks good for him. Nilp if you are a wolf....I will be thoroughly upset.

I think the wolves are going to pull out all the stops, even attacking each other. And I do believe that Volo left us with at least one of his partners names in his "don't die " list.

[Valier]

So Ang...being the only proven innocent, what do you think? This is getting down to the line and I want to save this village. Who do you think we should lynch?

[Anguirel]

What do I think?

I think you're not going to get much out of me for another half-hour, while I finish an essay on Pluto and Proserpina. Keep arguing; it'll give me stuff to look at when I come back.

Shame...I rather wanted to rule Rune out, but his last post is screamingly suspicious...over-touchiness and then departure. But I'm not at all certain he's a wolf. I don't think, Valier, that he and Menel plausibly could be...but maybe that's what Menel wants me to think. Would someone look at the behaviour of these two towards each other this game? That would be useful.

For now:

I suspect Bomburlass, Beorn, Menel and Rune in varying degrees.

I don't suspect Valier or Nilp, though I will consider the late Seer's arguments against Valier, who was to be her next dream.

[Anguirel]

Hmmm. Very quiet.

Does no one out there want to come and play with Uncle Thorin? Hmmm?

The consensus (and we all know how much I like the consensus, boys and girls) seems to favour Menel...

I'm still extremely fond of the idea of Bomburlass being lupine. Her behaviour has been so immaculate, in a muted way; so understated; in need of correction WITH AN AXE.

The earliest legends of Holby's wolvishness show her behaving like this. Also, she apparently missed a choice piece of banter I chucked her way earlier. Either over-cautious...or she didn't see it, probably more likely.

Holby? You around? I want someone to throw anvils at!

Yet I agree she's something of a shot in the dark.

Beorn...I'm not so much suspicious of her, as desperate for her not to beat me as a wolf. That would be ringingly unfair. So I'm tempted - as she was about me - to lynch her anyway...

You know, I'm probably the most irresponsible Proven Innocent Sage you lot could have have got landed with.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, you can go ahead and vote for me if you absolutely must, but it isn't going to help you at all.

[Valier]

Well I don't know what to think at this point but I am leaning towards Rune. It's awfully quiet around here.......Where is everybody? It's getting fairly late here and I will have to vote tonight before bed. I'm going to look back at the Rune/Menel interaction.

[Valier]

Well I have found that Rune thought Menel to be innocent in the beginning and then he changed his mind and thinks he is a wolf. Menel has been suspicious of Rune for quite awhile. Both were suspicious of Ang. They have had little direct interaction though.....but both have talked alot about the other. Could be a major bluff with the two "fighting" and getting one of them killed hoping the other can make it to the end?

[Thinlómien]

I'm convinced my school supports my werewolfing in some sly way... Today my psychology teacher wasn't present and she had left us riduclously few exercises to do and I finished them in less than 15 minutes... And dashed to the school library to play werewolf. :D

Well, it's pretty silent here. I'm rather confident the remaining two wolves are now trying to escape attention. So, lynch the silent ones? ;) Jokes aside, I think everybody who wants the village to win should speak up (otherwise we can't distinguish the goodies from the baddies) and I'll be personally after everyone who isn't speaking up. (Yes, I'm afraid, it's in the genes...)

I agree Menel is suspicious, but of the others I won't say anything before rereading their and Volo's posts on the thread. (I'm off to that next, because without doing it I doubt I can be of any real assistance to the village...)

Beorn...I'm not so much suspicious of her, as desperate for her not to beat me as a wolf. That would be ringingly unfair. So I'm tempted - as she was about me - to lynch her anyway..Haha, I guess I deserve that opinion from you, but, I assure you, you don't have to fear that... at least in this game. :p

[Thinlómien]

Oh, and Valier, I'd leave interpreting Volo's words aside... He might have said anything about his fellow wolves and I hold it very unprobable we're ever going to figure out who's his fellow wolf by reading his last words. I mean, he could say his fellow wolf's guilty in his opinion to bluff, say they're innocent to double-bluff, or leave them unmentioned in hope that they escape our attention... He could also name an inncent guilty to bluff, or innocent (to double-bluff) or leave unmentioned in order to think us he's shielding them. Or he could be doing all this in quadrupule-bluff -level. :rolleyes: So, basicly anything, and probably, (yet not certainly) all these strategies mixed.

So I'd really rather concentrate on other things, Valier, no offense... :)

[Valier]

Well I am off to bed right away and I am still no wiser on what to do. So if we lynch an Ordo today and one goes over night we end up with 2 wolves/4 Ordo's still not bad but then tomorrow is going to be hell. I really want to catch us a wolf today but everyone is so quiet.

[Valier]

It's 1:30 am here and I am tired. Let us cross our fingers we get a wolf.

++Rune son of Bjarne

[Thinlómien]

Rune seems innocent. Him saying Menel's the only one who feels innocent is hardly a wolvish thing. I don't think a wolf would say that about a fellow, and I also think that a wolf wouldn't say that at all: that declaration sounds a bit weird and it caught quite many people's attention. Also, the wolves don't think anyone particularly less suspicious than others so they have to fabricate it all... Why deliberatedly make up just one who looks innocent, since talking about just one person's innocence gets attention? I can find only one sly reason... Maybe Rune was trying to hint he was the seer having dreamed of just Menel this far and making it clear in case he would die next night (a rather jumpy seer), to prevent people from voting/suspecting him? That would be very clever from a wolf. Because of that Menel-comment I thought he might be the seer and did just as described above: did not concentrate on him. Wolves are looking for seer hints, so I find it weird Rune isn't dead yet. Or then he's a wolf (or Menel). Now I honestly don't know myself what I'm after with this mess, but I guess it's something like: "Rune is most probably innocent based on that comment, but might also be a very cunning wolf".
Otherwise he seems pretty genuine.

Menel, on the other hand, flip-flops and changes suspicion as the public opinion changes. He agrees with almost every major suspicion in the village. (Says me who's joined every lynch-bandwagon in this village this far. :rolleyes: ) But he's different (than me): he agrees with many different major suspects every day and very rarely has anything more original to say... Also, Menel has suspected Rune quite strongly. This combined with Rune's Day1 "Menel seems innocent" makes me think they surely aren't both wolves. If Rune is, Menel isn't. If Menel is, Rune isn't. I find the latter quite possible. (And of course there's the chance that neither is a wolf.)

Nilp's post 245 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505485&postcount=245) makes me quite convinced of his innocence. He makes a case against Volo and votes him and sounds very genuine in his other sayings too. He also suspected Volo quite strongly yesterday before Durelin came out. I doubt a wolf would do anything like that when they were so close to a win by numbers.

Holby is worrysome. She avoids interacting with others and mostly posts statistics that make her seem helpful. She very efficiently keeps herself suspecting only me (as a major suspect) and voting me. Not very open-minded thinking and nicely makes her more difficult to track and also makes her to provoke less gurdges (:p) and to get less attention. Also manages to avoid analysis by not joining bandwagons. On the other hand, I'd like to emphasise this, the last time I played with her, she was evil, and a lot more jumpy than now. She's either innocent or has learned something or I'm less perceptive than last time. But I guess I'm leaning to agreeing with Ang about her.

Valier is like a kitten. She has huge innocent eyes and a cuddly fur, but you should not forget she has claws too, and very sharp and long ones! I mean, she seems pretty innocent, but I've been wrong about her many times enough to know what she's capable of. (I'll never forget the game where Wolfier killed me instead of a known innocent Nogrod, because she feared that if I was alive, I'd get her lynched, and made the whole village crazy and confused by that kill, and, in the end, won the game.) So, she seems innocent, but that doesn't necessarily mean she is innocent. I'll concentrate on her more tomorrow if we fail today.

So, order of suspiciousness
Menel
Holby
-------
Valier
Rune
Nilp

Oh, and it doesn't matter anymore, but I think I just found out about the wolves noticing spawn was a twin, if killing the twins was their aim. Another name I feel evil is Filia, she hasn't said anything interesting, except that she doesn't trust Duriel. Her vote for Gloanna came straight after Dancing Dwalin's post about Gloanna. As if they're a team... But as I said, it's of little worth now that Volo's dead and we can't lynch him anymore, except the worth that I feel really keen and perceptive right now! ;)

edit: xed with Valier x2

[Anguirel]

I'm not, I've decided going to attack Beorn on this, my last day.

It would essentially repeat my tactic of confronting my loudest potential foes, Bofgrod and Nori, which turned out so disastrously. The omens are not good. I feel there was good intent in the thoroughness of the case against me Beorn delivered.

Neither will I vote for Valier. Her early incompetence strikes some kind of chord with me, as I was pretty useless early in this escapade too, and I think her examination of Volo's posts is a typically forthright move she would employ as an innocent.

I regard Nilp as practically a proven innocent. Because of this I would really like to hear his opinions.

This leaves Bomburlass, Menel and Rune. I am quite intrigued by the idea of the latter two, after all, working together, which Valier suggested - they never really cemented their words against each other with actions, and both did fan the flames of the feud between me, Bofgrod and Nori. Yet Runi in particular was so brazen about doing so that I am leaning towards his innocence more than Menel's.

I am increasingly sure that Bomburlass has reverted to her most traditional wolf style. In the very earliest games, she had some wolf outings where she kept hold of her nerves, was almost invisible and remained unspotted. I believe her continuing absence and failure to respond to my needling is deeply incriminating.

I will probably vote for Bomburlass but may, partly due to the opinions of our late Seer, compromise if a lot of support materialises for Menel.

All innocents - please avoid retaliation for votes cast against you and vote for who you genuinely think, in light of your opinions, mine, Durelin's before she died, is a wolf.

Conserve your votes and choose wisely. And please, talk to me ! I am currently a very lonely King Under the Mountain...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am back. . .

Sorry it took so long, but when I made my way to my fathers house after work last night (2am) I found that some crazy new security had been installed and I had no means getting past it. anyhow now I am on an internet cafe and ready to contribute.

Well, about my question to Valier, I was afraid it might seem wolvish. I decided that I could not be botherd by this, as I did not have the faintest idea what she ment. And I think that I earlier told that I would always have to leave for work a few hours after game start. . .

My major problem with this game is that I cannot remember how Valier normally behaves. . . I have this image of her being very productive and with well founded theorys, but maybe that is just my imagination. I just things that she klings an awfull lot to straws. . .like the thing in Volo's post, she uses it as an argument, which seems very weird to me.

anyways I am around now. . .

[Anguirel]

Rune, I wonder if you could tell me what you think of Menel and Holby?

[Thinlómien]

And please, talk to me ! I am currently a very lonely King Under the Mountain...Hear, hear! Do as he says!

I will probably vote for Bomburlass but may . . . compromise if a lot of support materialises for Menel.I could say it the other way around: I will probably vote for Menel, but may compromise if a lot of support materialises for Holby. :)

I regard Nilp as practically a proven innocent. Because of this I would really like to hear his opinions.Nilp, I'd like to hear from you too, especially of who you suspect and who you think innocent. (And yes I know you have problmes with getting online.) That'd clear my picture about you.

Anyway, I will be away for a few hours soon, but then I'll be back and around to the deadline (unless some RL catastrophe summons me away from the computer).

edit: xed with Rune and Ang. Glad to see people around!

[Thinlómien]

My major problem with this game is that I cannot remember how Valier normally behaves. . . . I just things that she klings an awfull lot to straws. . .like the thing in Volo's post, she uses it as an argument, which seems very weird to me.I think that "clinging to straws" is perfectly normal Valier behaviour. But it doesn't make her innocent...
:rolleyes: <- for werewolf and werewolf logics in general

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I could. . .but I really don't have much to add on Menel, since yesterday.(I have nothing to add)

At first Menel gave me that good feeling of innocens, because he seemed down to earth and resonable. That slowly changed as the days progressed, but I did not have him as a main suspect until yesterday. It really struck me as a clear sign of Wolvery the way he has been playing, singling out one person to be the main suspect and hardly say anything about any other player. This way he leaves next to no trace that could lead us to his fellow wolves. One could object and say that he is now suspecting Lommy, but he only did so after this theory was mentioned and only when Durilin told him that he made a better case against Lommy than me.

Menel will be the one I wish to lynch today. . .(unless somethind radical changes)

Let me read through Holby's posts before giving you my thoughts on her.

[Anguirel]

One problem, for me, with voting Menel is the question of lynching Bilbo as Thorin. I mean, Thorin practically lynched Bilbo after the Arkenstone business and it didn't do him any good...I am, of course, prepared to put this superstition on one side, but I would still rather vote Holby.

It's interesting how all the main narrative characters, except Balin I suppose, have proved so survivable.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Maybe it is me that is not able to detect any of Holby's major posts, but she seems to have been very absent of late and the posts I have found says pretty much nothing.

She could be wolf going below the radar, but there is nothing that screams wolf to me.

This is my list as it is now:

Meneltarbo Baggins
Valier the Grey
Bifur Fegalund, Bomburlass
Beornomien

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I forget. . .when is the deadline?

I was wondering if I had time to leave this internet cafe and get home to my own internet in time to vote. . . for some reason the thought of using money sitting here waiting for the deadline.

[Anguirel]

I'd vote in time for about three o' clock GMT, Rune.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry for the many posts. . . .If nothing happens the next 30 min. I will vote Menel and leave and hopefully be back an hour or two before deadline, but I cannot say for sure.

Anyways if anybody is online, please say something!v (otherwise I will make a fourth post)

EDIT: Cross posted with Ang

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

So nothing has come up . . . . Menel, is still my main suspect so he shall get my vote.

I know that Ang would rather vote Holby and I can understand why, both Ang and Lommy has brought up good points about the "flying under the radar" theory and I promise to take a good look at her tomorrow. Right now I have to go with my guts and my small theory.

I guess my list is more like this now:

Meneltarbo Baggins
Valier the Grey
Bomburlass
Bifur Fegalund
Beornomien

anyways got to vote. . .

++Meneltarbo Baggins

[Thinlómien]

Have we and the wolves killed off all our voting scribes? Or are they not just around? :D

Valier -> Rune
Rune -> Menel
Yet to vote: Anguirel, Holbytlass, Meneltarmacil, Nilpaurion, Thinlómien


she seems to have been very absent of lateThat was wonderfully phrased! :D And true, too. Holby? Where are you?

[Anguirel]

Bomburlass will probably slope in, bleary eyed, and mumble "I was having the most wonderful dream..." before DEVOURING OUR FLESH.

[Thinlómien]

Bomburlass will probably slope in, bleary eyed, and mumble "I was having the most wonderful dream..." before DEVOURING OUR FLESH.Well, I got the impression she was the person most into eating in your company, Lord Anguirelshield, so maybe that's just logical...

I find it funny that in these five days, she has written 15 posts, which means 3 posts a day (admitted we haven't heard of her yet today), while Anguirel, having the most posts, has written 51 posts... about 10 per day!
(Nilp has written even less than Holby, but in his case you can only blame the conditions, or so Nilp has us believe! ;))
What I'm trying to say? Well, nothing, except it's no wonder she has mostly flown under the radar with that kind of posting statistics.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I did boast it would take but one Wolf exposed, and I could get them all. Unfortunately, my boast is ill-founded. I base my deductions on past voting records, trying to see whether a proven Wolf tried to save someone from the noose or push someone into death. From that I can see who's guilty or innocent, more or less. For what a Werewolf fears above all is dying; he fears it even more so than an ordinary villager.

In this game, however, we had nothing but bandwaggons. And bandwaggons hide these crucial clues from me. Therefore, I will treat the bandwaggoners as suspect.

DAY 1: Eomer bandwaggon (ordo)

Who voted? Volo (wolf), Nogrod (ordo), spawn (ordo), Lommy (unknown)

Well, the only unknown left here is Lommy, and her vote tells us nothing. She and spawn cross-voted for Eomer's killing vote, which would go against her if a wolf was in danger--unfortunately, all second-placers (spawn, Kitanna, and Farael) were proven innocents.

DAY 2: Kitanna bandwaggon (ordo)

Who voted? Nilp (unknown), Menel (unknown), Lommy (unknown), Boro (ordo), Volo (wolf), Nogrod (ordo)

This also tells us little. Kitanna received almost half the village's votes. Although it is interesting to see that Lommy and Volo joined this bandwaggon, too.

DAY 3: Kath bandwaggon (hunter)

Who voted? Durelin (seer), Valier (unknown), Nogrod (ordo), Lommy (unknown), Boro (ordo)

Volo didn't vote, but Lommy was still in this one. I already did an analysis of those who voted in the bandwaggon yesterDAY, and I quote it here:

Valier accepted the arguments set forth at face-value (q.v. 230 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505457&postcount=230).) Quite suspicious, and added to that she throws suspicion at me out of nowhere, alluding to my lack of sensible posts.

Lommy's vote lacks reasoning (I did try looking for one, but apparently she believed Boromir 'has good points, especially that one about Kath.' (q.v. 234 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505469&postcount=234)) In the same post she answers Boro's suspicion of her. Interesting . . .

Also, she trusts a wolf-Menel to be able to reveal himself easier. Perhaps, it can be read to mean that if Menel is lynched and turns out to be furry, she can get credit for it. Hmmm . . . (Nilp)

DAY 4: Volo bandwaggon (wolf)

Who voted? Nilp (unknown), Lommy (unknown), Ang (ordo), Holby (unknown), Rune (unknown), Valier (unknown)

As I had predicted, this gives me little clues to work on. Volo, Menel, and Durelin (?!) were the only ones who failed to vote for Volo

~*~

Well, it looks bad for Lommy, but I still believe what I said yesterDAY about Menel:

Menel's reason to vote for Rune (q.v. 207 (http://69.51.5.41/showpost.php?p=505416&postcount=207)) is rather feeble, and it has been even more weakened due to Nogrod's innocence, yet he holds on to it toDAY until Durelin tells him that his analysis of Lommy makes more sense--see 277 (http://69.51.5.41/showthread.php?p=505612#post505612) then read on to the bottom of the page.

. . .

Now, what have I learned from this? Lommy and Menel feels hairy, but if they are two of the Wolves I find their tactic strange. They're trying to get each other killed! Then again, a wolf-Menel back in WWIX did the same thing with Shelob, and they won that game with their numbers intact. (A little history; it makes Menel look all the more dangerous to me.) (Nilp)

As for his only post today . . . it feels similar to Kitanna's nonchalance at her upcoming death . . . is he hoping we'd think him innocent, too? I don't know . . .

++Meneltarmacil

[Thinlómien]

About an hour to the deadline... and four people yet to vote.

Yet... I don't know will Menel appear at all. :( Just read this: Quite honestly, I don't know about all this, and I'd actually like to just leave this site and be done with it soon.

The problem, of course, is that my posts will still be here and it'll take around 26 hours of work to delete them all. Is there any way the admins/mods can just say"delete all posts by this user" and remove them all?

Anyway,
Valier -> Rune
Rune -> Menel
Nilp -> Menel (Menel 2, Rune 1)
Yet to vote: Anguirel, Holbytlass, Meneltarmacil, Thinlómien

[Thinlómien]

I think I might vote and go home soon. Now I'm just sitting here in the school library boring myself and nothing is happening, neither in this game or in BD in general. I'm soon too tired of just refreshing who's online and active topics, especially as I have unfinished schoolwork waiting at home... So, unless something happens soon, I'll be leaving, and voting Menel most probably...

[Thinlómien]

Am I really the only one around...? :confused:

Please, speak up, or I'll throw you out of my hall! :p
(If that had been an option I'd have done that already, when you started killing each other, so actually never mind that...)

[Anguirel]

I wish to make my point before I die, though it shall not be proven today, I know -

++BOMBURLASS

Farewell and good fortune, my friends.

[Thinlómien]

So I was not the only one but I know probably am the only one around...

++MENEL

I assume the first one to reach the highest votes is dead...?

Valier -> Rune
Rune -> Menel
Nilp -> Menel (Menel 2, Rune 1)
Ang -> Holby (Menel 2, Rune 1, Holby 1)
Lommy -> Menel (Menel 3, Rune 1, Holby 1)

Yet to vote: Holbytlass, Meneltarmacil

(Now I see why some people enjoy doing these statistics... I'm finding this quite relaxing in fact... :D)


I got your point about Holby, Ang, and I promise I at least to have a look at Holby tomorrow (after all, she's my second suspect). Farewell, Lord Oakenshield. R.I.P. (Unless the wolves are using some valierish tricks and you actually find yourself alive tomorrow...)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

wow sorry for letting you sit around for your self Lommy, but I went to look at that comment Menel made about copyright. I then thought I was looking at my UCP and was suprised why nothing happened in the game, when I was infact looking at "Announcements and Obituaries (forumdisplay.php?f=7)"

anyways Menel's faith seems to be sealed and I think we should follow Ang's advice and look at Holby tomorrow, at least there is very little chance he would have sinister motives for sugesting her.

[Anguirel]

Don't rule anything out, everyone. I could easily be wrong about, say, Beorn - especially if the Hobbit turns out to be innocent.

You can trust Nilp but that's about it.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I can trust Nilp ?

[Oddwen]

VOTING IS CLOSED

Death to follow shortly.

[Oddwen]

"But but but," squeaked Meneltarbo. "Y-you don't want to kill a cute little hobbit like me, do you?"

"We've been waiting for a long time to do this," chorused everyone.

"Noo, don't kill the hobbit," came a tiny voice from outside.

"Ha!" said Valier. "Amateur! I could see your lips moving!"

"What?" said Meneltarbo.

"Don't kill Mr. Baggins!" came a teensy weensy voice from inside a closet. Meneltarbo looked around puzzledly.

"Really Master Burglar," said Thorin. "If you are innocent, you'll have nothing to worry about."

"Except for being dead," added Runi.

"And if you are guilty..."

"Well then you'd better start worrying," advised Beorno.

"I can't help worrying!" sobbed Menel.

"Aha!" cried Bifur. "An admission?"

"Or just cowardice?" wondered Bomburlass.

"Enough," said Valier, and blasted Meneltarbo Baggins through the wall with a fireball.

There was a very long pause after Valier and Beornomien smothered the flames.

They found the lower half of his body, but there was no change. Except he had even less hair than when they had started.


Living:
Beornomien
Valier the Grey
Thorin Angurielsheild
Runi son of Bjarne
Bifur Fegalund
Bomburlass


Dead:
Eomi of the Rohirrim (Innocent), beheaded on DAY one
dwancing spawn of fundin (Twin), beheaded on NIGHT two
Nari (Twin), died of sorrow on NIGHT two
Gloanna (Innocent), hung on DAY two
Farael the Deathless (Protector), crushed with a hammer protecting his choice on NIGHT three
Kathin (Hunter), lynched on DAY three
Bofgrod (Innocent), taken down with the hunter on DAY three
Dori88 (Innocent), dismembered on NIGHT four
Voloin (Werewolf), took poison and melted his own brains on DAY four
Orilin (Seer), defaced on NIGHT five
Meneltarbo Baggins (Innocent), blown away on DAY five

NIGHT six has now begun. Wolves may PM.

(apologies about the time)

[Oddwen]

That they found Thorin Anguirelshield's body the next Morning was no surprise - the surprise was all in the presentation.

The torso was found cloven with a blunt shield, upon which was scratched "If people valued food and cheer above hoarded gold, then we could take it all and nobody would be the wiser". His head they found on a platter, artfully arranged with a fragrant bouquet of herbs, and decorated with roasted dwarven fingers and toes.

It was also no surprise that all of them had dreamed of a delicious meal in the Night.

Living:
Beornomien
Valier the Grey
Runi son of Bjarne
Bifur Fegalund
Bomburlass


Dead:
Eomi of the Rohirrim (Innocent), beheaded on DAY one
dwancing spawn of fundin (Twin), beheaded on NIGHT two
Nari (Twin), died of sorrow on NIGHT two
Gloanna (Innocent), hung on DAY two
Farael the Deathless (Protector), crushed with a hammer protecting his choice on NIGHT three
Kathin (Hunter), lynched on DAY three
Bofgrod (Innocent), taken down with the hunter on DAY three
Dori88 (Innocent), dismembered on NIGHT four
Voloin (Werewolf), took poison and melted his own brains on DAY four
Orilin (Seer), defaced on NIGHT five
Meneltarbo Baggins (Innocent), blown away on DAY five
Thorin Anguirelshield (Innocent), baked, not fried on NIGHT six

DAY six has now begun. I need a name from the villagers.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

We are in seriouse trouble. . . .we have to get a wolf otherwise we are doomed, unfortunately I have to leave very soon. I hope that you will cling on to your votes untill some hours before deadline.

I must admit that I was very suprised to find that Menel was not a wolf. . . it seems that I have been wrong about every single of my suspects.

anyways what are your thoughts, where does this leave us?

[Valier]

Well this is just great.... :rolleyes: Ok so as of now I trust Lommy and Nilp almost completely. Please today, trust me!! I know it is hard to do but, if we don't catch a wolf today this village is doomed. I know I am an Ordo, I trust that Nilp is too (well he better be) and Lommy's posts look more and more innocent as I reread the thread. That leaves Holby and Rune.

Please, please everyone SPEAK UP!!!! I have to vote before bed here so I won't be able to hold off till the deadline.

[Valier]

It's awful quiet in here today? Wolves got your tongues? :rolleyes:

[Valier]

Ok so this is really really bad. I have to go to bed now and I have to vote. I really believe Rune to be a wolf, so he will garnish my vote today. I have looked through Holby's posts and well what can I say.....She has not said much in the way of helping the village. Her posts are intellegent questions and banter not much else. And she is SO quiet.
I really am afraid though that because of this silence today, which I know is because I am on a different time zone then the rest (hopefully). I really hate for the village to end like this....killed by sly, sneaky, quiet and coniving beasts. I will be sleeping when you are all awake. I fear that one or both of the remaining wolves will push to get me lynched today hence winning the game for them. Do not be fooled. Trust me today and don't lynch me in my sleep. Goodnight all and my Eru bless us with a wolf today.

++Rune son of Bjarne

[Thinlómien]

Rune or Valier'd better be a wolf, otherwise we've lost the game...

Which is quite a pity because I think them both innocent-ish. Rune seems reasonable and genuine, and Valier looks pretty good too... But at least one of them, I think, is a wolf, since if I take the possibility of a Nilp-wolf into account, my head probably blasts. I'm not too sure about Nilp's innocence anymore... I hate playing so that I have to assume someone's innocent. He seems innocent though. So if he's a wolf he maybe deserves to win and be lynched in the first day in all the next games. :p So I'm going to consider him innocent, at least for today, as I guess a crusade against him wouldn't even gather much support.

Valier, Rune, Nilp. Whichever of you is a wolf is a pretty darn good wolf! :cool:

I'm pretty confident Holby is a wolf anyway (she's over-careful!). But unless Valier's a wolf (Holby's fellow then?), voting her wouldn't do any good.

[Thinlómien]

Please speak up...

Holby especially.. Where were you yesterday, by the way...?

[Thinlómien]

Come on folks, this is quite ridiculous. This is the seventh post toDay and the day's more than halfaway through... I miss our loudmouths!

Actually I found one. In her first
post...
I did see that but didn't take it as a clue because I was going to answer Anguriel's question since I had originally asked it on the admin thread, Dancing Spawn beat me to it.This caught my eye! Now, I'm not sure if this speaks for Holby's innocence or guilt, but it's interesting nevertheless...

I'm very much inclined to think Valier guilty over Rune (she flip-flops a bit, and feels less genuine than he), but Valier's interactions with Holby (who I assume a wolf) are quite weird. They both voted me on day2. I find it something two wolves wouldn't do (voting the same person)...

But I'm rather confident. It's Valier. She just feels a lot more wolvish than Rune, and she also has a weird obsession to vote Rune (like Holby has about me).

Hey guys, do you feel like voting Valier?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It beats voting Rune any day. . . .


anyhow I am here now, it is interesting that I only have one vote so far. It can mean 3 things.
1.Valier is a wolf and the second wolf is vating for me to get my second vote.
2. I am a wolf, waiting for an inoccent to vote for another inoccent
3 That neiter of the wolves has been around yet.

If both Valier and I are innocent, one would think that wolves would have voted for me as soon as they had the chance.

I know I am not a wolf and so that leaves me with option 1 and 3. . .option 1 is the only one with any hope for us.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Anyways I am pro voting either Valier or Holby,they have to be wolves.

unless of course that three is a wolf out there who knows that their partner wont show today.

anyways, I would really love to hear what Holby has to say and Nilp for that matter.

[Thinlómien]

anyways, I would really love to hear what Holby has to say and Nilp for that matter.Oh, I agree. Thank goodness someone else's around now too... :)

Rune, if you're a wolf, I will personally kill you after the game; you've quite convinced me of your innocence... (Or then it's just that you agree with me.... :rolleyes: )

[Thinlómien]

One thing more...

Rune, how come you're assured of my and Nilp's innocence?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ehm as such I am not and I am not assured about your innocens either, but I guess that you have just seemed very innocent over the last days and Nilp has not been trying to avoid questions like Holby.Iit is more a case of me focusing on Valier and Holby, rather than me saying that someone is ínnocent.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

and for the record: I shall direct quite a lot of anger in your direction if you are a wolf

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Is there nobody around?

I guess I will vote Valier soon, if nothing happens.

I might have thought the first days too active, but this is ridicules. . . .Come on people speak up!

I really don't think it is fair for neither wolf or ordo to be completely silent. Of course things can prevent you from being able to go online.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

If this isn't a delicate juncture in the game I don't know what is.

All of you have raised fears against Holby. The problem (for me, at least) is that she has been too safe in voting. I cannot analyse her with my usual methods. But some of the points you have raised against her make sense . . . and since I fear that my methods have led nowhere . . .

I have little instincts to speak of. In the absence of data, I am useless.

So I'll think a bit, and listen a lot, before voting.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

And how do you feel about voting Valier? I think that is what Lommy is leaning towards and I have been suspecting her for a while. (Valier that is)

[Thinlómien]

Ehm as such I am not and I am not assured about your innocens either, but I guess that you have just seemed very innocent over the last days and Nilp has not been trying to avoid questions like Holby.Iit is more a case of me focusing on Valier and Holby, rather than me saying that someone is ínnocent.Okay, I just wanted see what would you say and how would you react... You passed the test, I still think you innocent. :cool:

I could vote either Valier or Holby, though I'd be more comfortable with voting Holby.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Good.

Anyways, my only problem with voting Holby is that according to my logic Valier has to be a wolf. If she is innocent then the wolves would surely have voted for me already.

But yeah I am willing to vote for either of them.

[Thinlómien]

Anyways, my only problem with voting Holby is that according to my logic Valier has to be a wolf. If she is innocent then the wolves would surely have voted for me already.
That makes sense. I hadn't thought it that way before, though I was well aware of the situation... :rolleyes:

Yet that is not 100% sure. Imagine if a lommywolf or a nilpwolf would be waiting if a holbywolf appears? I mean, she wasn't around yesterDay, can we be sure she appears toDay either? What if lommywolf or nilpwolf hasn't heard anything of her/his companion? What if the wolf is pondering right now what to do, and waiting for the possible arrival of Holby?

And of course I can't (though you can, if you're not lying) rule out the possibility of a runewolf...

I personally hold the two theories above quite unprobable, since I'm not a wolf, and I don't think Nilp or you (Rune) is a wolf either... But, I just wanted to say it's possible too.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am aware of this fact and I actually stated so earlier, in the post where I list 3 scenarios.

but, yeah I am pretty freaked by the thought of you being a wolf, dragging me around by the nose. Anyways I just have to take a chance. . .lets go for Holby then, unless Nilp has objections.

(I might seem eager to vote, but I am a nervouse wreck right now. . .)

[Thinlómien]

(I might seem eager to vote, but I am a nervouse wreck right now. . .)I guess we all are... :)

Nilp, who do you feel more suspicious/wolfy, Holby or Valier?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

. . . that makes calamity of so long life . . . *sigh*

Well, this is a pretty pickle we're in. I really have to go soon--it's late at night here.

So, is it Holby, then? Are you sure she's a Wolf?

[Thinlómien]

So, is it Holby, then? Are you sure she's a Wolf?If you and Rune are innocent, then certainly yes.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm sure I'm innocent. I just hope Rune is.

Here goes:

++Holbytlass

May we live to see DAY 7. Good night, everyone.

[Thinlómien]

Whew. It's over, and I guess we're going to get a wolf tonight.

++Holby

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Holby

Lets hope so. . .

[Thinlómien]

Lets hope so. . .Well, as I said, unless you or Nilp have something to confess...

[Oddwen]

"Bomburlass! Bomburlass!" the (very small) mob chanted. "We want the blood of Bomburlass!"

They roused her from her sleep, and told her that she was about to die.

"But I was having such a lovely dream," she muttered sleepily. "All about a delicious meal..."

"Of innocent villagers, no doubt!" they cried.

"Well, yes," she said. "How did you know?"

There was a barely perceptable pause, and then the (teensy) mob fell on her tooth and nail. She fought as valiantly as an evil sleepy fat wolf could fight, but in the end she was ripped to threads.

They nailed her head and tattered hide to the gate next to Volo's, discarding the same of a certain warg and goblin's to make room.

Living:
Beornomien
Valier the Grey
Runi son of Bjarne
Bifur Fegalund


Dead:
Eomi of the Rohirrim (Innocent), beheaded on DAY one
dwancing spawn of fundin (Twin), beheaded on NIGHT two
Nari (Twin), died of sorrow on NIGHT two
Gloanna (Innocent), hung on DAY two
Farael the Deathless (Protector), crushed with a hammer protecting his choice on NIGHT three
Kathin (Hunter), lynched on DAY three
Bofgrod (Innocent), taken down with the hunter on DAY three
Dori88 (Innocent), dismembered on NIGHT four
Voloin (Werewolf), took poison and melted his own brains on DAY four
Orilin (Seer), defaced on NIGHT five
Meneltarbo Baggins (Innocent), blown away on DAY five
Thorin Anguirelshield (Innocent), baked, not fried on NIGHT six
Bomburlass (Werewolf), torn apart by a small mob on DAY six

NIGHT seven has begun. I please need a name from the Wolf.

[Oddwen]

Day began a little early the next morning.

"Wstfl?" said Runi. "Something's all screwy."

"Morning?" mumbled Valier the Grey. "Dawn take it all..."

Bifur Felagund cracked his jaw with a huge yawn, and then they saw the new rug.

It wasn't very colorful, nor spotted, nor striped, nor paisley; it was bichromatic and smelled very fresh, the eyes in the head with the wide open beak were just barely glazed.

"B-B-B-Beornomien?" they chorused, but there was no answering stutter from the floor.

Living:
Valier the Grey
Runi son of Bjarne
Bifur Fegalund


Dead:
Eomi of the Rohirrim (Innocent), beheaded on DAY one
dwancing spawn of fundin (Twin), beheaded on NIGHT two
Nari (Twin), died of sorrow on NIGHT two
Gloanna (Innocent), hung on DAY two
Farael the Deathless (Protector), crushed with a hammer protecting his choice on NIGHT three
Kathin (Hunter), lynched on DAY three
Bofgrod (Innocent), taken down with the hunter on DAY three
Dori88 (Innocent), dismembered on NIGHT four
Voloin (Werewolf), took poison and melted his own brains on DAY four
Orilin (Seer), defaced on NIGHT five
Meneltarbo Baggins (Innocent), blown away on DAY five
Thorin Anguirelshield (Innocent), baked, not fried on NIGHT six
Bomburlass (Werewolf), torn apart by a small mob on DAY six
Beornomien (Innocent), made into a rug on NIGHT seven

DAY seven, the final DAY has now begun. Good luck to everyone.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I don't suppose anybody will be online the next many hours. . .

My guess is that I will get Valiers vote and that means the Nilp decides who gets lynched. From the votings last night I think it is pretty clear that Nilp is innocent, if he was a wolf, it would have been no problem for him to get an innocent Valier lynched. Of course I know that I am innocent so my vote will most likely go to Valier. If Nilp turns out to be a wolf then he deserves to win, if for nothing else then for being daring.

[Valier]

*sigh* well this is just crap. I am not a wolf!!!! I want to believe that Rune is the last wolf, but with Lommy's death I am unsure. Nilp if you are the wolf.....Let's just say I will not be impressed. Rune if it is you....I am impressed, you made it all the way to the end. Let me repeat....I AM NOT A WOLF!!!!!! Innocent villager I plead with you, whoever you are, to believe me one last time. I want to kill this sneaky wolf, but I can't do it alone. Please I can't stress this enough, I am innocent! Let us make the right choice today. I know our timezones are completely opposite, so I will have to vote before bed tonight.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

If I was the last wolf Lommy would be a bad kill as she and I had an understanding about who to vote for, if Nilp is the wolf he could have gotten you lynched yesterday.

I am sorry, but you are the only one that makes sence to me, but of course I will give you a chance to convince me otherwise.

[Valier]

If I was the last wolf Lommy would be a bad kill as she and I had an understanding about who to vote for
What understanding was this Rune? That you and Lommy were going to vote for me, but then decided to wait to see what Nilp was going to do and then rode his coat tail and voted for Holby? I mean, it turned out to be a great decision, but you base your reasoning around this?

if Nilp is the wolf he could have gotten you lynched yesterday.
C'mon Rune, do you honestly believe what you said here? I don't like the way that Nilp plays, but one should give him a little more credit than this. Killing his fellow wolf would be the best thing for him to do at this point in the game. Making himself look innocent because knowing that you two were waiting for him to make the decision...why would he do that to his fellow wolf? I'll tell you why. He knew that you and I are going to vote for eachother toDay and what a safer position for the last wolf to be in than to kill off his fellow wolf(and Lommy) and be the deciding vote....yet again.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Well, me and Lommy had been suspiciouse about the same people these last days, that was what I was reffering to.

Of course I have thought of the possibility of Nilp voting for his fellow wolf and you are quite right it would be a very clever thing to do. . . .but if he knew we were waiting for him to make the desition, why not pick you or me and take the win at that point?

It is not that I don't see your point, but the other scenario still seems more plausible.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will go to bed now. . .but I will be back and vote, probably close to deadline.

[Valier]

Whatever :rolleyes:

++Rune son of Bjarne

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I am not impressive?

Well, it did take me so long to get all of you, but . . .

++Rune Son of Bjarne

I did.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Congratulations Nilp. . . . .although it does not suit you when you compliment your self.

I would compliment you further, but I would not want to boost your ego anymore.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It was just that I took umbrage at Valier calling me unimpressive.

Ah well ah well ah well. I could have done things a lot better.

Like forgetting the no-double-lynching rule and prolonging the game by a DAY. *sigh*

Still, I get to eat the wizard. I am quite hungry. http://www.geocities.com/louis_martian/smilies/evil.gif

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yeah. . . .as said, you could have finnished it yesterday that was why I stuck with my suspicion of Valier.

I am somewhat glad that it was just a matter of you forgetting "no dubble lynches" and not that you just liked toying with your pray before devouring it.

[Oddwen]

With only three people in the giant hall, the atmosphere seemed oppressive. Or maybe it was just the prospect of death hanging over them all.

"G-g-g-golly," said Valier the Grey. "It sure is spoooooky in here."

"Isn't it?" said Bifur jollily.

"I have a terrible feeling something's going to go wrong," said Runi shuddering.

"Isn't it great?" said Bifur.

"I'm going to vote for Runi," said Valier.

"In that case, so will I!" Bifur cried jumping up and capering about.

"Er," said the wizard. "Wait, um, can I retract my vote, just this once?"

"Not hardly!" howled Bifur.

"I knew it," muttered Runi.

"Wheeeeee!" squealed Bifur, jumping on Runi and divesting him of internal organs. Then he turned to Valier.

"Well my dear wizard-type chappess," he said. "It looks like it's you and I."

Valier gulped, and brought her staff to bear...


...tbc...

[Oddwen]

He chanted a song of Werewolfery,
Of piercing, opening, of treachery,
Revealing, uncloaking, betraying.
Then sudden Valier there swaying
Sang in answer a song of staying,
Resisting, battling against power,
Of secrets kept, strength like a tower,
And trust unbroken, freedom, escape;
Of changing and of shifting shape
Of snares eluded, broken traps,
The prison opening, the chain that snaps.

Backwards and forwards swayed their song.
Reeling and foundering, as ever more strong
The chanting swelled, Valier fought,
And all the magic and might she brought
Of Barrow-downs into her words.
Softly in the gloom they heard the posts
Singing afar in N-and-N,
The sighing of the Mods beyond,
Beyond the Haud-en-neghin, on sand,
On sand of bones in Barrow-land.

Then the gloom gathered; darkness growing
In Chapter-by-chapter, the red blood flowing
Beside the Books, where the Movies slew
Tom Bombadil, and stealing drew
Their white posts with their white topics
From were-lit havens. The wind wails,
The wolf howls. The ravens flee.
The mods mutter at the posts in ME-Mirth.
The captives sad in RL mourn.
Thunder rumbles, the fires burn ---
And Valier fell before the wolf.


WOLVES WIN!!

[Oddwen]

Game over! Thank you all for playing, and watching, and a special thank you to all the players for their patience with my screwy times.

This was an educational game for me. I learned that I had been spelling Anguirel and Nilpaurion Felagund's names wrong for...ever.

Dreams & Hunter picks & what-not:

Night one -

No picks

Night two -

Durelin seered Nogrod
Wolves chose Spawn
Kath - no pick
Farael - no pick

Night three -

Durelin seered Ang
Wolves chose Nogrod
Kath hunted Nogrod
Farael protected Nogrod

Night four -

Durelin seered Volo
Wolves chose Boro

Night five -

Durelin seered Valier
Wolves chose Durelin

[Volo]

Great game!
Thanks Moddwen, I loved your moddwening, especially the theme song and the twisted names!

It was really close (from my view) to Nilp being killed on Night1, for not participating, luckily he came just in time to stop us. Really big thanks to Holby and Nilp, it was an honor to fight by your side!

Also a big and hairy "thank you" to Kath, who for some really strange reason decided to kill Nogrod, I was really worried when I heard that Farael died protecting somebody. Kath, I don't think that it's too wise to Hunt a loudmouth down when the Ranger/Protector succeeded the preveous Night... :rolleyes:

It was a lot of fun being a wolf during the Night, but during the Day it was depressing, I wasn't allowed to be a help... Although I decided to play exactly as I would have played were I innocent, or Seer. A strange mix of those two. Nasty ol' Durelin, bite you for spoiling that! :mad:

Lommy it's really strange how you can be such a good innocent, as you haven't experienced wolfdom. I promised Aganzir that I'd laugh, so haha.

Valier, really good thinking there last day, I was actually worried if you'd turn on Nilp.

You fighting couple, Menel and Rune, great points! "Pity" that they wen't wrong...

Nasty ol' Anglock, you sure have the skill of making me panic! Just like Boro! Should have listened to Holby and killed Ang... Thanks for being evil to the Evil!

Fili and Kili, sorry to have killed you... :( They were my favourite dwarves in the Hobbit.

[The Saucepan Man]

An excellent game from a bystander's perspective. Well done to all, particularly the Wolves and, of course, Moddwen.

I rather suspected that the remaining Wolves were Holby and Nilp after Durelin's revelation. Holby has "past form" on encouraging the loudmouth innocents to talk themselves into lynching each other - as I know only too well. :rolleyes: And Volo's damning analysis of Nilp, when the game was up for him, did suggest to me that it was a tactic designed to save a fellow Wolf.

Most entetaining, though, and, with due respect to the innocents, I did feel that the Wolves deserved the win. My only reservation is Durelin, who played her role excellently and did not deserve to end up on the losing side.

As for you loudmouth innocents - you only have yourselves to blame - as did my fellow innocents and I in a similar situation ... :p ;)

[Volo]

And Volo's damning analysis of Nilp, when the game was up for him, did suggest to me that it was a tactic designed to save a fellow Wolf.

Nah, I just wanted to play like I would have played as an innocent/seer. Of course you won't believe me, but that's how I felt about Nilp. Ok, I did make the analysis not trying to put any "good points" into it... :rolleyes:

[Durelin]

*sigh*

You guys do know this means Nogrod and I will be blazing on in a "lynch the quiet ones" campaign again, right?

Sorry guys, for my very poor wolf finding abilities...though I guess I could've not found any. :D

[Volo]

Yes, that's the sad thing, nobody will trust me for my ignorance again...

Success is, after all, the best way to get foes. ;)

[Valier]

Way to go Nilp you won :rolleyes: I must say that I did suspect Nilp was the last wolf the last day, but I was sure there was no way of switching Runes mind after his last post. I don't appreciate the way that Nilp played...Yes I am bringing it up again. You use your RL situation to your advatage. That to me is so wrong. I brought it up early because I was worried it would come down to what it did. Noone ever suspects Nilp. This is true just look what happened. I would say if you want kudos Nilp for your great win, maybe next time you can actually play without your RL excuses. You used this as a tactic....Yay good job. :(

Good job Volo you had me fooled. Holby not so good....where the heck were you?

[The Saucepan Man]

I would say if you want kudos Nilp for your great win, maybe next time you can actually play without your RL excuses.I wouldn't say that Nilp used his RL situation as an excuse. He cannot help his time zone nor his RL committments. I think that he participated just about as much as could be expected - and moreso than many "quiet ones" have done in the past.

Nilp was the victorious Wolf, however, not because he was quiet, but because he came to be seen in the closing stages almost as a presumed innocent. He should take credit for having achieved that (through his astute voting), as should Volo for helping to create the conditions which led to it (with his damjing analysis).

Even though I am a loudmouth myself, I have always supported the "quiet Wolf" tactic as a legitimate one. Wolves come in all shapes, sizes and manners of verbosity - it is up to the innocents to find them. As I said, Holby has past form on this, and should have been subject to greater pressure in consequence. Volo can hardly be described as a quiet one and, as I said, I believe that Nilp contributed about as much as he was able.

I am afarid that us loudmouths have to face the fact that we are more liable to turn on each other, as innocents, than investigate the quiet ones. It is as well, as a loudmouth, to bear that in mind for the future.

[Farael]

Argh!!! When I saw Nogrod being suspected after I protected him... I was biting my nails trying to figure out of a legal way to warn you all, but that is quite impossible after you are dead.

Worst thing is that I was 2 for 2 in protections... or would have been if I had remembered to PM Moddwen on night 1. Yes, since I had no clue whom to protect I was going to protect my friend... Spawn.

And to think that RL got in the way so much for the first 2 days, and then after I was dead I had soooo much time to spare!! RL is unfair, I like the 'downs better.

Any way, well done to Nilp... and the other two wolves. My hats off to you.

[Farael]

I am afarid that us loudmouths have to face the fact that we are more liable to turn on each other, as innocents, than investigate the quiet ones. It is as well, as a loudmouth, to bear that in mind for the future.
SPM you are quite right... thus my insistence on lynching the quiet ones first thing in the game :p but truth is, I wanted to post to ask if you'd want to join another WW game soon... I still have something to settle with you. :D

[Kath]

Argh!!! When I saw Nogrod being suspected after I protected him... I was biting my nails trying to figure out of a legal way to warn you all, but that is quite impossible after you are dead.
Oops ... sorry Farael! :o

Good win wolves. After death I had Holby and Rune as the evil-doers, never imagined it would be Nilp! Killing spawn first night was a hell of a bluff so nice job.

And of course kudos to Oddwen for some truly gruesome deaths. :D

[Volo]

Nilp came too late to oppose the killing of Spawn, as I said, we were going to kill Nilp at first. I didn't have a clue about them having a connection...

[Nogrod]

I am afarid that us loudmouths have to face the fact that we are more liable to turn on each other, as innocents, than investigate the quiet ones. It is as well, as a loudmouth, to bear that in mind for the future.Surely. We do not make enough noise of the value of ourselves? :D

But to be a bit serious: just looking at the last two Days of the game was a bit depressive. One or two posts per person and then voting... It's a game, I admit, but not the game of werewolf I myself enjoy personally. As Saucepan Man said, I also agree that playing a wolf quietly is a legitimate strategy. It's up to us villagers to bring that strategy down... and we failed this time.

But it was fun as long as it lasted... and it was nice to see a game that lasted over the few preliminary Days also. The dynamics of four-five players left are a lot different than the ones in a crowded village.

Special thanks to Moddwen for her ingenious WW-setting in Beorn's Hall and especially for the tune! I really loved it!

Congrats to the wolves for a game well played!
Volo played nicely, not the least with his "framing" of Nilp, and even as I had my doubts about him in the end of Day2 he nicely escaped my attention on Day3 as I had to defend myself (how stupid of me...).
Holby was just an impressive quiet wolf: so sensible and reasoned! Great game! Had you taken a few a bit more daring steps on Day3 or 4 you might have lived even longer...
Nilp: I'm afraid the "lynch Nilp on Day1" -campaigns will gather momentum after this, but you played it beautifully, using peoples prejudgements to your advantage. Great playing!

Boro: Just as I was beginning to trust you we both died... well, maybe next time?

Durelin: Well played! Unfortunately it was not enough this time. I kind of trusted you (trust being a relative concept in WW-games) from early on. Sadly we were pulled down and badly this time. But it was not your fault!

Kath: How could we do that? I was hunting you down for wrong reasons and you killed me for bad reasons... Hopefully we can make it better next time?

Lommy: I just felt you were innocent because of the panic you had in the end of Day1 voting. Someone might have acted it, but you felt sincere enough for me.

Anguirel: I had deciced not to suspect you this time from the beginning beforehand and promised myself to ignore any that kind of sentiments to leave room for actual points. My God it was hard as you cried a wolf almost from the very beginning - and how wrong I was with you... again!

Rune & Valier & Menel: It's funny how I can see you all as villains so easily! You all topped my suspicions (inside my head) from the very beginning. But I was sooo wrong with you... as I always seem to be. :(

Farael: I'm getting a bit worried about this mutual understanding between us that has developed of late... but hopefully we can try it again on the same side with the same success we had the last time.

As always, it's sad to see good players going down on the early Days/Nights like Spawn and Kitanna... but one can't help it.

Eomer: I know you can make the difference in a game. This time you were given no chance for it. Sad, said as truly as one can say it in retrospect being one who helped your downfall...

Naria: I'll hope to see see you in a game again with a bit more time on your hands. I know you can make a difference!

[Boromir88]

I must say I had absolutely nothing right this game except saying Nogrod, Spawn, and Durelin were innocent. Completely baffled, kudos to the wolves.

I was sure Ang was a wolf and after poorfully lynching Kath, I was hitting myself for not pulling the trigger...but umm that didn't really work out too well.

Durelin made the comment of me being 'Boro lite' and that's when I tried to get back into things, as I had reached this big stage of laziness...and I wanted to get back into form. For the last 5-6 games before this I was either an innocent lynched on Day 1, a Seer who got some luck and found wolves early, or a wolf and I knew who to go after and how to attack them. I didn't really have to do a lot of work and go searching for things, so I was into this lazy mode. And until Durelin made that comment I was completely lost already. :rolleyes:

Congrats to Oddwen for setting this scenario up, I'm sure the wolves were enjoying the three most talkative people at eachother's throats the entire time. :p And congrats again to the wolves.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh my goodness, the village really did "drown in blood" as a certain lynchee once said they deserved to. :p

I kept watching, though, and it was entertaining stuff, thanks to every player and the mod. Congratulations to the wolves and especially cousin Nilp for the victory. :)

I have to say I enjoyed the last few days and the simple posting that came with them. You only need one post a day. Most games are just filled with clutter that gets in the way.

[Kitanna]

Nicely done wolves.
And good modding Oddwen.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Way to go Nilp you won :rolleyes: I must say that I did suspect Nilp was the last wolf the last day, but I was sure there was no way of switching Runes mind after his last post. I don't appreciate the way that Nilp played...Yes I am bringing it up again. You use your RL situation to your advatage. That to me is so wrong. I brought it up early because I was worried it would come down to what it did. Noone ever suspects Nilp. This is true just look what happened. I would say if you want kudos Nilp for your great win, maybe next time you can actually play without your RL excuses. You used this as a tactic....Yay good job. :( I knew this would come up.

I am not in control of RL situation. It wasn't an excuse. You try living in the Philippines, bloody corrupt, bloody twisted Philippines, and let's see if you'll survive two weeks. I played to my strengths, however little they are. Even as an innocent, or a gifted, I still would have played that way.

If you feel that strongly about how I play I would be putting down my WW hat right now. I find it impossible to enjoy playing with someone like you alwaysbreathing down my neck like that.

[Nogrod]

Even though I don't know anything about Nilp and his situation, I would side him with this. One can't blame someone from not "flood-posting" in a place where a 24-hour net-access is not self-evident.

It's always hard for us others to judge someone in a WW-game who posts little and scarcely, but with Nilp I would be much more understanding than with people in places where I know it's not a question of the possibility of access...

In-game we can banter about anything there is one can come up with, but outside it, we should symphatise each other and wish each other well - and surely draw back from any claims we have presented in-game...

I mean Nilp played beautifully. Not playing with the quantity, but to my knowledge, adding to the quality much more than normally. And just because of that, you innocents - myself included - should have lynched him! :rolleyes:

[The Saucepan Man]

Hehe. This game proved two of my longstanding Werewolf beliefs. The first is the one about loudmouths always turning on each other.

The second, one which more often than not holds true, is that the ones whose posts scream "I am a Wolf!" at you (in this game, Eomer, Kitanna and Anguirel) are not the ones that you should be worrying about. :D

Generally, Wolves are the most adept at acting the least Wolfish.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

yeah Nilp benefited from RL reasons, but it was not the thing that made me think him innocent in the end.

Listen up people. . .If I am a wolf I die on day 2! That is the rule. . . only once have I made it futher and it was to day 3 or 4.

I am glad that I survived this long, but I am kind of embarraced that I never once suspected a wolf.

I think we had a great Moddwen AKA "The New Björk"

I would like to say that I find it very annoying that the games has developed so that most people post several books a day. First of all there is the whole aspect of time. . . It would take me hours to read through all the posts, so i have to skim throught them. And even when I do this I end up loosing interest.

There is only so much that can be analysed and most of these long things is just filling with out any true analysis. The thing that really gets to me and is the reason I bring it up, is that you get accused of not really contributing and adding new stuff. It annoys me because a 5 line suspicion can be as good, if not better than a 20 liner. I firmly belive that i have the right to agree, but people don't seem to share that view.

Anyways, sorry for the rant. Of course you can play like that if you wish to, it is just as legit as being quiet, I just really needed to get this off my chest.

I really enjoyed my self in the later stages of the game where it was more to the point, this was a game I will remember for a long time.

[Holbytlass]

My extreme apologies to Oddwen and my fellow players for disappearing.
A friend of mine was thrown from her horse and broke her back. So I've been busy with making arrangements and caring for her children. Thankfully no permanent damage and she has come home. So I'm very sorry to have messed anything up.

[Boromir88]

I'm not a quiet type, but Nilp didn't win by making excuses...he won by purely fooling the entire village into trusting he was innocent. It had nothing to do with excuses, everyone got duped into accepting he was innocent. That's how skilled wolves win and here's another congrats to you Nilp. ;)

However, Rune as a loudmouth myself...I can't say I couldn't stop, because I probably could...but that's just the way I like to do it. I like to stir action, I like to talk it up, and that's the way I do it. As you say...

Anyways, sorry for the rant. Of course you can play like that if you wish to, it is just as legit as being quiet, I just really needed to get this off my chest.

Each person to their own and 'play' as they see fit. The problem shouldn't be over how everyone chooses to play...the problem is are people starting to take it too seriously?

[Durelin]

I've started getting more into long posts because I have fun with the reasoning...it become like a puzzle, and I like puzzles. Even though I'm not always very good at all at figuring them out. :D

I don't care if anyone has the time to read through all my posts...I don't really expect anyone to bother, whether or not they have the time.

As it has been said a thousand times, and I know is your feeling, Rune, it's just a game...and posting those long analyses (though I don't even know how mine get very long...they never seem very substantial. I suppose I'm just long-winded...okay, yes, I know I am...) and such are part of the fun for some of us losers, I suppose. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

'tis true, what Volo said, I was too late to save spawn. And this was supposed to be our date--or some twisted form of it. :D

If she were to survive to the last few days, I don't think we would have won. Lying to her, even in such a petty setting, would be a bad habit to get into, after all . . .

But enough of that--I just want to say an 'I told you so!' to Volo (for not listening to me on NIGHT 4 about killing Durelin :p ) and a 'That was bloody brilliant!' for his Seer-impersonation. Along with (if you may forgive me for my vanity) my perfect deduction of Seer-Durelin's dreaming of Ang and Volo, it gave me the perfect aura of innocence. It was a treat playing with you.

It was a treat playing with all of you, too. Too bad about Eomer, Naria, and *sigh* spawn dying early.

[Valier]

I am not in control of RL situation. It wasn't an excuse. You try living in the Philippines, bloody corrupt, bloody twisted Philippines, and let's see if you'll survive two weeks. I played to my strengths, however little they are. Even as an innocent, or a gifted, I still would have played that way.

I am offended that you even think that I was refering in anyway to where you live or the life style you live. I simply stated that you are always thought to be innocent, as you were in this game. You are the great Nilp. People jump at the chance to play in a game with you. The amount of posting and when you post is not my issue. I just hate the whole "Nilp is awesome, so innocent" thing displayed by almost everyone all the time (even myself at times) I, like everyone knows how you post and your suicide votes always bring groans, but it's always, "Oh that's just Nilp, that is how he is" Since the very first werewolf with you, even though I had no idea who you were, everyone else informed me of your ways. I have always had a problem with your ...shall I say special treatment.


If you feel that strongly about how I play I would be putting down my WW hat right now. I find it impossible to enjoy playing with someone like you alwaysbreathing down my neck like that.

Don't worry you needn't throw down your hat. I officially throw down mine, for at least awhile. To keep the peace if and when I do return to Werewolf, I promise I will not partake in any game that you are participating in.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

However, Rune as a loudmouth myself...I can't say I couldn't stop, because I probably could...but that's just the way I like to do it. I like to stir action, I like to talk it up, and that's the way I do it. As you say...
But my dear Borromir, I am sure that you will find that your posts has become consiterably longer, compared to earlier games. (I haven't checked)

Anyways it is a tendency I spot and don't get me wrong, I love when people make a good long analasys of a person. But when half of the players makes 3 a day, well it just gets too much, plus there is not material enough to analyse for so many posts so some of them are bound to be of a low quality.

I am not asking everybody to stop doing it. . . .I just don't want people to expect that everybody makes such post, because that is where this looks like it is heading. And of course I would not mind if it was toned a bit down, but I am sertainly not asking you to stop completely.

[Volo]

The second, one which more often than not holds true, is that the ones whose posts scream "I am a Wolf!" at you (in this game, Eomer, Kitanna and Anguirel) are not the ones that you should be worrying about. :D

Oh, there will be a choir howling "Wolf" in the next game...

[Thinlómien]

So if he's a wolf he maybe deserves to win and be lynched in the first day in all the next games. :pIndeed. :D

That was a lovely game, kudos to everyone, especially Moddwen and the wolves (and Durelin too). I must say I haven't been this sure and wrong about the wolves ever in ww except my few first games! I still can't believe Ang's innocent, though I must say his last day was perfectly innocentish.

As for you loudmouth innocents - you only have yourselves to blame - as did my fellow innocents and I in a similar situation ...

Hehe. This game proved two of my longstanding Werewolf beliefs. The first is the one about loudmouths always turning on each other.It's so easy for you to say since you weren't in the game! :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I hardly think it's fair to criticise Nilp for being likeable. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I was tempted to bring up SPM's point myself. In every single game I play in, people always just 'feel' as if there's something wrong with me. I'm like a Ringwraith who is sometimes good. :p

Kitanna is indeed similar. I could hardly believe how she was being jumped on at the start.

Anguirel? I can never bring myself to entertain the notion of him being evil because he's so entertaining, which apparently makes other people more suspicious of him. I can't understand it. Anyway, thanks for the vote of confidence before I died, sir. It was noted.

It's just funny how much this game is based on feelings. Totally agree with Rune. If I find some player is not getting to the point then I often skim-read his/her posts. Though I'm aware that some people feel totally unsatisfied if they don't have a great, long post to chew over.

Ah, the art of dealing with other people! We're all so annoying, ain't we?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Congrats Nilp, Volo and Holby!!

since I had no clue whom to protect I was going to protect my friend... Spawn.Awh, thanks, but then you would've died right away and that wouldn't have been such a much better option either.

I'm sorry for Naria, though, who had the misfortune of being paired with me. We didn't have time to chat much, but she was right about the innocence of many of you (along with Eomer's... Sorry, sir. :o ).

Anyway, great modding, Oddwen. The themesong was brilliant.

[Anguirel]

Nilp...I am quite lost in admiration...

[The Saucepan Man]

It's so easy for you to say since you weren't in the game!It's easy to say because, as a loudmouth myself, I speak from bitter experience. :D

I have to say that all this talk of prior reputations and playing and posting styles leaves me rather cold. When you play Werewolf, you have to take your fellow players as you find them. It's not meant to be easy. If the Wolf is someone who plays in such a way as to avoid suspicion, then he or she cannot be criticised for doing so. Surely that is the point of being a Wolf. It is up to the innocents to discover the Wolf and, where necessary, challenge preconceptions or seemingly innocent behaviour in order to do so.

Similarly, if you are playing with those whose posting styles differs from your own, then you have to accept that and get on with it. Everyone has a different manner of playing - quiet, medium, loud, provocative, mysterious, analytical, intuitive, and so on. It would be rather dull if it were any different. No one is under any obligation to post in a particular way - subject to the mod's game rules and the forum gudielines, people can play the way that suits them best in whatever role they have been allocated.

Prior reputations can work both ways. It seems to me, for example, that Eomer is always suspected due to his fine work as a Wolf in the past. Nilp has been lynched early on in the past due to his suicidal Day 1 behaviour. I myself get incredibly frustrated whenever I hear the refrain: "If Saucepan is still alive by Day 3, then I will be looking closely at him". But I accept it as an inevitable part of the game. It is something that experienced players have to put up with, and I see no problem with people trying to redress the balance and use prior reputation to their advantage. What is fair game against them is fair game in their favour, to my mind.

Ah, the art of dealing with other people! We're all so annoying, ain't we?Yes, and it ain't gonna change. Everyone's different and has a different approach to the game. It's part and parcel of playing Werewolf. And for me, it's a large part of the fun of it.

[Boromir88]

I will admit Rune that whether it be in WW (or simply posting on other threads) my posts do reach at times unnecessary lengths because of repitition...even within the same posts. I attempt to cut down the repetition, but sometimes I get caught up and feel like hammering my point into everyone's head...you know me. :smokin: Sincerely though, I will try harder to cut down repeating myself in the very same post which should cut it down a bit, but can't make any promises.

[Nogrod]

I will admit Rune that whether it be in WW (or simply posting on other threads) my posts do reach at times unnecessary lengths because of repitition...even within the same posts. I attempt to cut down the repetition, but sometimes I get caught up and feel like hammering my point into everyone's head...you know me.Oh my, just my words too! :)
Happily on the next one you will not have me flooding the thread during the Days...


Similarly, if you are playing with those whose posting styles differs from your own, then you have to accept that and get on with it. Everyone has a different manner of playing - quiet, medium, loud, provocative, mysterious, analytical, intuitive, and so on. It would be rather dull if it were any different.
Also fully agreed! And what comes to all these preconceptions: it's not been just one time I have heard myself being suspected because I'm not "taking a lead" or not theorising enough... when it most obviously is a question of there being no fancy ideas in my head right then or being short of time at one point of the game. Sometimes it's hard to live up to the expectations, other times it's a great fun to take advantage of them! I think most of us have felt both of these sentiments. And that makes this game such a fun!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hehe thanks for not just shooting me down, Boro. . . . one last thing I forgot to mention.

I also think that the games used to be a bit more dynamic when I first started playin in WWJ (the very first) and yeah I just don't want them to go static.

But I shall leave the subject now, as I have said my piece.

Once again: This turned out to be a great game and I totaly digged the theme music.

[Holbytlass]

I still have to "spread some rep around" but I think this is one of the funniest posts (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505190&postcount=133) I've ever read! Thank goodness that Oddwen didn't allow mass-lynchings!

[Nogrod]

I think this is one of the funniest posts (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=505190&postcount=133) I've ever read!I truly agree with this! I almost laughed aloud while reading it alone by my PC... :)

[Durelin]

Aw, thank you, Holby, Noggy! I'm glad to be of service if my service renders laughter. :D

Loved the game, and the parts where I got to be silly, as usual...though, as I told Oddwen when I first got my role assignment: that's another ten years off my life. The Seer is a very stressful position! :eek: :p

[Nogrod]

as I told Oddwen when I first got my role assignment: that's another ten years off my life. The Seer is a very stressful position! :eek: :pLet's see how the cards treat you the next time... :D

[Thinlómien]

Let's see how the cards treat you the next time... :D
I'll keep watch on her then... ;)