WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Anguirel]

I'm here now on and off, Mith. As I intimated towards the end of yesterday, I'm also leaning towards thinking Rikae innocent. I don't subscribe to the view that either Rikae or Firefoot must be guilty...who was it who suggested things lay in that direction? I'll go back and check.

At the moment I think the best bet for victory today is to kill, through stabbing and/or lynching, Lommy and Kath. I'd be flabbergasted if neither proved to be wolves.

In such a worst case scenario - if two innocents died today and one tonight - three villagers would face two wolves, but I would hope some unity might yet prevail. I might even risk having another kill tonight in such a situation, so narrowed down would my suspect list then be...though the risk would be total failure.

To be honest, I've stayed my hand for some time and am feeling really quite bloodthirsty...

[Anguirel]

Discount most of my post above - if we mess up spectacularly today and kill two innocents the wolves win unless I succeed in transfixing one tonight.

[Anguirel]

Argh...I forgot to count myself...my first scenario was right after all.

I shall post examining the voting records of my main suspects - Lommy, Kath and Rikae. Oh, and, blast it all, I'll examine Farael as well. Don't want to lose to Nilp-esque tactics again!

[Mithalwen]

Oh good ..... I think we would be spectaculary unlucky to get that..... I mean they can only kill one of us tonight. They are unlikely to go for Boro sinceIf I understand correctly he would be almost certain to hit at least one wolf among his 3. They are more likely to go for you or me - and since I hope you can be protected I think it would be me tonight..... so finishing this today would be good!
I am sure in worst case scenario you and boro could find the wrongun..... it owuld be like when I rumbled you that time .... so much easier when you have a very limited choice and read back thinking which is more likely...

[Anguirel]

If I lived to the end, my dagger could also stop any finnicky vote tricksiness.

Ha. I am so not an Athenian radical democrat...

I'm going to count Firefoot into my vote analysis too. For two long I've been deliberately refusing to consider her because she was clearly the object of a death-campaign by the wolves. I still think her guilt is very unlikely, but I will not rule it out.

Oh, and would anyone mind if I skewered Kath? Nowish? Some medium rare wolf steak for supper?

[Boromir88]

The thing that gets me worried about Rikae is there was very little interaction between her and Lal until yesterday. The distancing between the two definitely looks quite wolvish...as the only comment I found between the two was the one I noted in the first post of the day. Which I find as a rather awkward defense of Lal. Until yesterday there it looked like Rikae and Lal were trying to stay distant from eachother, and I would surely call that wolvish.

That got me thinking of would a wolf make such an ardent defense of another wolf? And I think so if they believed that was their best chance of winning. With Lal going down, it would be much better for a wolf to passionately defend her, than to switch and join everyone else. That's what worries me about Rikae...but I definitely think Kath is the one I will vote for today, as I feel more confident that Kath is a wolf.

Lommy is also really worrying me today, it's like she is forcing the fact that both Kath and Rikae must be wolves and who else could it be? That worries me.

[Rikae]

I guess I'll cast my vote now. I still think Lommy and Kath are most likely the wolves; since Ang is planning to deal with Kath, I'll vote for:

++Lommy

... and we may just win this today!

EDIT: X'd with Boro.

[Mithalwen]

Oh, and would anyone mind if I skewered Kath? Nowish? Some medium rare wolf steak for supper?


Well if you are peckish.... :p

[Anguirel]

All this role reversal, villagers dining on wolves, is very much in keeping with the spirit of my own modded extravaganza...

I need to kill an hour before the deadline, for Nogrod's ease. The most widely assumed candidate is Kath. Sorry, Boro, to deprive you of your favourite lynchee.

I'm as perplexed by the Lommy/Rikae puzzle as anyone, but I think the answer lies with one of them. Vote as your inclinations lead you. I found Rikae's last post startlingly suspicious; but then Lommy's every move has been the model of an alpha-wolf.

Kath the Weaver, in the name of the good Elvenking Finrod Felagund I slay you now.

++I choose to assassinate Kath.

She is now slain, come the deadline, and there is no point lynching her...

[Mithalwen]

Oh so we have to wait? Bother ....

[Mithalwen]

Only htought is we have a ranger unaccounted for.... can be hard to distinguish wolvishness from giftedness - I had thought farael.. but ..

[Boromir88]

Ang, ya make my job harder, I get it. :rolleyes: Well, that does take Kath out of the equation.

Another thing that's strange about Lommy, I found was this:
Anyway, I'll go now.

Choose well, it'd be nice to lynch a wolf toDay.
But it's alright as long as you don't lynch the last remaining ranger.
We can afford lynching an ordo, even though that would not be very wise.
I don't like this tone of we can afford to lynch a few innocents if we're wrong sort of thing, just so we don't lynch teh last ranger.

Then her constant insistance that she knows she's innocent. That's another strange thing, and it's a rather ambigious thing. As a wolf I would make those comments, and it's not really a lie, because a wolf (from their perspective) will say they're innocent...as from the wolves perspective they are innocent. The constant insistance that she knows she's innocent is another suspicious looking thing. It's like she's trying to force feed it to us, and force feed it to us that Kath and Rikae must be the last two wolves.

I'm curious too that Thinlo wanted Morm lynched so badly, and it was Morm (as well as Firefoot) who commented that Thinlo was just looking way too confident this time. One thing which I now definitely agree with, Thinlo is looking very confident.

Or maybe I'm just thinking too much and Lommy is right...gah. Oh Rikae, curious how do you feel about Kath?

[Rikae]

As I said earlier, I've found her suspicious since finding out Lal was a wolf. From the beginning, her posts seemed to be designed to protect Lal without overtly defending her, plus her very early vote for Firefoot; before I even noticed that slip, looks premeditated. I now tend to trust Firefoot because of her vote yesterday.

[Anguirel]

My vote for Lommy will stand - I shan't be back tonight. I suspect I was guarded last night, and that I shall die this eve if we do not choose extremely wisely, but I hope to take a beast with me. Perhaps the last one.

Goodbye, my friends! I am merry to the end...I think...

[Mithalwen]

The thing that gets me about lommy is that although I picked up her suggestion about Lal ..she didn't really follow when I tried to run with it ... much later in the day she said Lal seemed odd for something else but no consideration of voting for her .....

[Mithalwen]

I don't think it will matter but does Kath's vote stand if she is dead?

[Nogrod]

I don't think it will matter but does Kath's vote stand if she is dead?All votes that have been cast during the Day will count. No one dies before the deadline or loses her/his right to speak until the Day is over.

[Mithalwen]

Ok .. think it has got to be Lommy or Rikae ....

Now leaning towards Lommy but far from certain ... Rikae, I haven't played with before so have no prior experience - but she has ploughed such a conspicuously individual furrow that it seems so unlikely for a wolf ... but maybe she is just a freespirit aieeeeeeeee

[Firefoot]

I'm optimistic about this Day right now. I would be extremely shocked if neither Kath nor Lommy was a wolf and slightly surprised if both weren't.

--Kath

++Lommy

[Mithalwen]

I think that is 3 votes for Lommy (Firefoot, Farael, Ang)
1for Firefoot (Kath)
I for Rikae (Lommy)

Has Rikae voted and I've missedit..I don't htink Boro has....

[Rikae]

I voted for Lommy.

[Mithalwen]

In which case you are safe .... I am not sure .. I feel it is one of you .... but we may as well make this unanimous andI have suspected her more in the end...

++Lommy

[Nogrod]

Day4 has ended.

Lommy and Kath will die very soon...

[Nogrod]

YesterDay it had been a run of two candidates but as the morning rose and the body of the Ranger was found all seemed to be open again. But soon enough Lommy the Shepherdess had gathered enough votes to turn out the obvious next lynchee of the village. The villagers turned towards her.

“Loomy is a wolf”, said the Moose Tamer. He had said that from the first Day onwards with great certainty.

“Lommy's every move has been the model of an alpha-wolf”, said Anguirel the Merry.

“Killing me won't help you to survive this village, I'm afraid. However, it's not a disaster if you kill me since we can afford losing an innocent toDay”, she said resignedly and turned to the doorway. “Anyway, I'll go now.” With that she left, choking back her tears. The people at the inn looked at each other a bit concernedly and then ran after her.

But they were too late. The Ugly Little Shepherdess had jumped in to the well at the square. The villagers heaved her up only to find out that she was still a human being, only a dead one now.

“Now that did it!” said Anguirel the Merry and revealed his golden dagger. “Kath the Weaver, in the name of the good Elvenking Finrod Felagund I slay you now.” He called aloud and before the Weaver had time to react, he drove the dagger straight into her chest.

There was an expression of bewilderment in the Weaver’s eyes when she started changing, first slower, then faster. Hair started growing all over her body and her teeth started changing, the eyes were turning red and she was gaining in size too. The villagers pulled back away from her in horror, but Gorlim's Lighthearted Brother stood firm on his feet and stabbed her again. A shrilling roar came out from her mouth as she fell down. She was a wolf. She clearly was.

U]Dead:[/U]
Volo – The Cryptic Lens Grinder – (ordo) hanged on Day1
Macalaure - Eiliniel's Witty Younger Brother Who's Always Right – (ordo) killed to his bed on Night2
Roa_Aoife - The Town Fletcher – (ordo) killed from behind while dozing off in the middle of her room on Night2
Celuien - The Innkeeper – (Ranger) throat slit on Night2
Morm – (ordo) beheaded on Day2
Eomer - A Beekeeper – (ordo) stinged to death by his own Bees on Night3
Gil-Galad - A Confused Philosopher – (ordo) sliced by the pendulum on Night3
Rune son of Bjarne - A Moonshiner – (Informer/cobbler) hacked to death with the golden dagger on Night3
Lalwendë - Eiliniel, A Retired Village Idiot – (beta-Wolf) mobbed and in the end stabbed to the chest on Day3
Durelin - The Augur of the Village (Ranger) overcome by the wolves while guarding another Villager on Night4
Thinlómien - An Ugly Little Shepherdess – (ordo) jumped to the well on Day4
Kath - A Weawer – (beta-wolf) assasinated by Anguirel the Merry on Day4

Alive:
Rikae - A Superstitious Mathematician
Boromir88 - The Serious Jester
Mithalwen - A Frivolous Serving-Wench
Farael – A Moose Tamer
Anguirel - Gorlim's Lighthearted Brother, Anguirel the Merry
Firefoot - A Homeless Waif

Night5 has begun.

The Wolf and the “lonely Ranger”, send me your picks.

[Nogrod]

The initial success of the wolves had started waning. The Alpha-Wolf was alone now but it knew whom to kill. It felt itself driven to the corner but would at least go with a blaze of glory. And the commanding voice in it’s head called for more blood.

The Ranger heard the Wolf creeping towards the house she was guarding that Night. She had gotten it right this Night! There would be no deaths toNight! She was pleased. But she was also nervous, almost terrified in fact. There being no deaths toNite would require her to step forwards and face the beast alone in the Night. Would the sword protect her?

The Homeless Waif’s heartbeat went wild. But inspired by Gorlim’s Lighthearted Brother’s firmness the evening before she gathered all her courage and stepped out from the shadows to cut the Wolf’s way. “You foul beast of Darkness! With this sword of the Eagles I command thee to crawl back to your lair! You shall not kill anyone toNight!” The giant Wolf stopped on it’s trail.

Suddenly the front door of the house banged open and the Serious Jester ran out, an arrow already notched in his bowstring. “Get out of my way you Homeless Waif! This matter is between me and the wolf. That beast tops my list and I have been preparing for this already two Nights in a row. And I will kill the beast even if I have to perish along with it. This werewolvery will have to end toNight!” The Jester bellowed and pulled the string.

The Homeless Waif took a step forwards to get between the Jester and the Wolf. She would not allow anyone to get killed so long as she was protecting them. “Hold on a...”, she started.

“Hold on a minute, everyone!” a loud call echoed from the darkness not far away. “I think it’s my privilege to make us rid of the beast”, the voice declared.

The wolf turned it’s head towards the new voice just to realise a heavy golden dagger coming towards it, flying much too fast for the giant wolf to react to in anyway. The dagger hit the creature straight into the forehead, breaking deep into it’s skull. Rikae fell backwards from the impact. First she was in shock, then she was dead.

Anguirel the Merry came out from behind the nearest trees. “Sorry Boro, me old mate.” He said merrily. “You see, this way no’ne else had to die.” He looked at the astonished faces of both Firefoot and Boromir. “Keep it simple...”, he added and smiled.

“Should we wake Mith and Farael up? I mean this has ended now, hasn’t it? Shouldn’t they know it asap?” Firefoot asked.

“I think we have all earned a pint!”, Boro agreed.

“On the house...”, Firefoot added.

~*~

Dead:
Volo – The Cryptic Lens Grinder – (ordo) hanged on Day1
Macalaure - Eiliniel's Witty Younger Brother Who's Always Right – (ordo) killed to his bed on Night2
Roa_Aoife - The Town Fletcher – (ordo) killed from behind while dozing off in the middle of her room on Night2
Celuien - The Innkeeper – (Ranger) throat slit on Night2
Morm – (ordo) beheaded on Day2
Eomer - A Beekeeper – (ordo) stinged to death by his own Bees on Night3
Gil-Galad - A Confused Philosopher – (ordo) sliced by the pendulum on Night3
Rune son of Bjarne - A Moonshiner – (Informer/cobbler) hacked to death with the golden dagger on Night3
Lalwendë - Eiliniel, A Retired Village Idiot – (beta-Wolf) mobbed and in the end stabbed to the chest on Day3
Durelin - The Augur of the Village (Ranger) overcome by the wolves while guarding another Villager on Night4
Thinlómien - An Ugly Little Shepherdess – (ordo) jumped to the well on Day4
Kath - A Weawer – (beta-Wolf) assasinated by Anguirel the Merry on Day4
Rikae - A Superstitious Mathematician – (alpha-Wolf) assasinated by Anguirel the Merry on Night5


Alive:
Boromir88 - The Serious Jester (hunter)
Mithalwen - A Frivolous Serving-Wench (ordo)
Farael – A Moose Tamer (ordo)
Anguirel - Gorlim's Lighthearted Brother, Anguirel the Merry (assassin)
Firefoot - A Homeless Waif (ranger)


The Village has Won! Congratulations!

[Durelin]

w00t!

Great job, everyone!

For once I was right about at least some things. :D

So...Ang could kill during the Day and Night? :eek:

*high-5's Firefoot* Way to keep your identity safe till the end! Spectacular!

[Nogrod]

EPILOGUE (Concerning the fate of the Village)

The five survivors were having their fourth pints in the Inn. They had started with loud cries of joy and lots of hugging but as the pints went down and all the terrible things of the last days started coming back to them in full the mood changed.

“How can we ever tell your brother that his wife was a werewolf?” the Serving-Wench asked anxiously.

“Or anything that has happened, to anyone possibly coming from the war?”, continued the Serious Jester

“Like that she killed her own brother?”, the Moose Tamer wondered in horror.

There was a gloomy silence over the table.

“Well, I haven’t had a home for a long time anyhow so I could just pack my things and get away from this terrifying place. I mean this Village just gives me the creeps.” The Homeless Waif declared determinatedly.

“We’ll come with you. We’ll form a travelling Band, right?”, Gorlim’s Lighthearted Brother suggested, looking at the others questioningly. “We’ll earn our bread with immortal songs we compose and perform in the lands that are free of this horror but hungry for it’s tales?”

“This bunch would make a better circus than a band...” the Serving-Wench said dryly, frowning.

“C’mon people! That’s a good idea!” the Moose Tamer was suddenly up to the idea. “I’ll tame the animals while you two guys make the clownery, and she serves the audience – and maybe some frivolous dancing numbers?”, the Moose Tamer yelled now enthusiastically.

“And what about me then?” The Homeless Waif asked a bit lazily.

“You’re experienced wanderer and we are not, so we need a leader to us to the pathless wilderness we need to pass”, the Moose Tamer continued passionately. “And every circus needs a manager to host the show!”

They all looked at each other in some confusion. It wasn’t a bad idea after all, taking account of the circumstances. Staying wasn’t an option anyhow.

“I hope this is a better fixed idea of yours than the last one about our Ugly Little Shepherdess...” The Jester said and rose up from the bench. “Let’s go then. The morning has already broken.”

“Should I take my dagger with me, just to be on the safe side?” Gorlim’s Lighthearted Brother asked as he was getting up.

“To be safe? Noooo!” The Serving-Wench cried. And the rest agreed.

[Farael]

See? I WAS an ordo...

Again, now that the game is over and that it's clear I'm not lying, I'd like to apologise to you all... I've been busy and honestly, I need a break from Werewolf. I started the game and tried to read everything... but I just couldn't.

Anyway, I'm glad to see my mistake didn't wind up costing the village... I was worried that it'd be so, and if that had happened it would have been very unfair.

Oh, and sorry Loomy... I did believe my theory in day 1 (as I always do :p) but I was doubting by day 2... yet I figured that if I changed my mind, I'd be lynched and I didn't want to die YET.

Kudos to the assasin, and kudos to Nogrod for coming up with that role... quite interesting for sure.

Kudos to the villagers as well! We (you?) won!! :D

By the way Nogrod what was the difference between an alpha and beta wolf, and most importantly, was it by chance that the alpha wolf was the last one alive or did you just decided that the first two to be killed would be beta regardless of who they were?

[Volo]

Haha! I loved reading this game, never before had I tortured the "refresh" button like this.

Rikae I started suspecting straight after I defended her. It was a perfect day1 for her, congratulations! Really well played. Only defending Lal went a bit too far...

Firefoot I guessed to be the ranger from this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=508566&postcount=377) .

Pretty funny to me that the innkeeper turned out being a Ranger... :rolleyes:

Kath, you I didn't suspect enough to vote during the whole game, really well played! I was rather sad when you were found guilty...

I so wanted to answer "yes" to this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=507849&postcount=119), but at that moment I still had hope of surviving, and agreeing with Ang wouldn't have made things better.
It's actually pretty funny how Ang says "I have a feeling that -name- will turn out innocent" whenever somebody is lynched.

Now I wish that the special roles are revealed to us!

[Kath]

Ah it was fun while it lasted! Nice job villagers.

Lal, Rikae - you were great fun to plot the Night away with. :D And Rune of course! Our Cobbler, marvellous job.

So ... did the Rangers ever develop the ability to talk to each other?

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa (Day 1): Hm, Rikae seems really suspicious to me. I'll be looking at her closely in the next few days.

*Roa gets killed*

Village: Roa was probably killed because she's a good player, not because she was onto anything. Nevermind that she's usually left alive by the wolves because she's a suspicion magnet. Nope, she didn't have a wolf pegged or anything.

Rikae: *bats eyes* Roa was some sort of fearsome player? I had no idea! *bats eyes some more and repeats same thing two more times*

Roa: *bangs head against keyboard*


It amuses me that both Mac and myself had a wolf in our suspect lists, and NOBODY bothered to look at our posts.

So, wolves, out with it! Explain your choices! And that goes for the rest of you gifteds!

[Nogrod]

So...Ang could kill during the Day and Night?Yes he could, but only once in any given Day/Night -cycle (so not three times in a row...). I thought of making this assassin role possibly powerful and carrying great risks with it, but I never knew what I had done as Anguirel turned out to be the one wielding it... :eek: :cool:

By the way Nogrod what was the difference between an alpha and beta wolf, and most importantly, was it by chance that the alpha wolf was the last one alive or did you just decided that the first two to be killed would be beta regardless of who they were?Those were basically given because of the Hunter's list to begin with. So in the beginning Lal and Kath killed together and Rikae alone. Had either party tried to kill Boro I would have checked the list for actual killer/s being there. If Rikae would have been on the list but Lal and Kath would have killed him nothing would have happened to Rikae as she was not there... So logical hunter of a sort.

So yes. Rikae was the alpha from the very beginning.

So ... did the Rangers ever develop the ability to talk to each other?Nope. Firefoot and Durelin learned each others identities on Night2 when they both protected Boro. After that they didn't meet...

Now I wish that the special roles are revealed to us!I have my initial pMs to the special-role players still saved somewhere and could flood the thread with them if you like. In them all the things about the roles are explained (in torturous detail I'm afraid... but they needed to work as guidelines to the players anyhow :rolleyes: )

[Volo]

I have my initial pMs to the special-role players still saved somewhere and could flood the thread with them if you like. In them all the things about the roles are explained (in torturous detail I'm afraid... but they needed to work as guidelines to the players anyhow :rolleyes: )

Sounds good, I'm waiting. :p

[Roa_Aoife]

For that matter, I like it when the wolves post their plotting. It's up to them of course, but it's always fun to see the plotting.

[Lalaith]

Can I just jump in and say in my opinion, this was the most enjoyable game to read, as a non-player, of any I've seen on here. I was just spitting that I was too busy to play.
I would love to know all the rules of this new variant. Noggie, will you post them?

[Nogrod]

Just to begin with. Here's the results of the Questionnaire. Read and wonder what you think! There are some pretty interesting things in it, in the way we people perceive each other before a game...

The Questionnaire

The key:
Trust (T)
Sympathy (S)
Distrust (D)
Afraid of (A)
Wish to be on the same side (W)

The results:
Durelin – T1, A1
Rikae – T2
Thinlómien – T5, S2, D2,W5
Volo – S1
Kath – T1, S2, D4, A2, W1
Macalaure- T1, S1, W5
Rune son of Bjarne – T2, S2, D1,W1
Boromir88 – T2, S2, D2, A2, W8
Mithalwen – T3, S5, A1 W3
Lalwendë – T2, S2, A2, W3
Farael – D3
Naria – S2, D2
Anguirel – T4, S2, D3, A6, W4
Mormegil – T1, D6, A5, W6
Celuien – T3, A2, W5
Firefoot – T2, S1, A1, W4
Eomer – S3, D5, A1, W7
Gil-Galad – S1, D4
Roa_Aoife – T1, D2, A5, W6

[Volo]

Haha, I said it's natural to vote the big scary Anguirel. :D

[Lalwendë]

That was very hard work I have to say! I am rubbish at lying so I never bother with it, so this was really difficult! Plus I ended up not being able to give much time up to it on Saturday so I had no way of defending meself. :(

It was great though, you're all great to play WW with! :D

[Durelin]

Here's the Ranger PM:

Hello Ranger and congratulations for something which hopefully turns out to be a very interesting and challenging role! It's a game of the three of you against the three of them!

So you are one of those three that were given a sword by the Eagles. Your task is to defend another villagers every Night with the other two rangers. Unfortunately you don’t know the identities of them, yet.

You may learn your mates identities. If two (three) of you happen to defend a same villager during the Night you will learn the identity of the other ranger(s). And, if you happen to defend a same villager (any villager) a second time together, you will be earning a right to PM each other during the Days and thence plot your defences for the Night the rest of the game.

If two of you have earned the right to PM together you may risk a jackpot if you so wish. That means: you may decide to go and defend a same person yet again (thence leaving one innocent whom you could defend vulnerable to a kill) and if you’re right and the wolf comes to a kill you will not only drive the wolf away but will also kill it together. If there are two (or more) wolves alive at the point you try this jackpot you should send me a shared list of your suspicions in the order of suspicion – then the higher/st one on your list will be the one who gets killed.

Even though in principle you have time to decide whom you are going to protect over the Night until the deadline, I will appreciate early notification of your actions (hopefully at least an hour before). There maybe a lot of action in this village during the Nights and thence it may turn out just impossible for me to open the Day in time if you notify me only minutes before the deadline.

No ranger is allowed to defend a same person two Nights in a row.

You wolves were great fun! Especially you, Rikae! I knew you were crazy and bold enough for that sort of thing. :D Lal did an excellent job looking like she was going along with things up till her end...and once it came down to her lynching she was great fun. I wish Kath had had more time and been less of a lurker. That's one of the dangers of a Kath-wolf, though, I suppose. ;)

[Roa_Aoife]

Fearing me, I get. Distrusting me, I get. Wanting to be on my side, I almost get. But who here trusts me?

And look at how popular Boromir is- everyone wants him on their team.

[Kath]

I wish Kath had had more time and been less of a lurker. That's one of the dangers of a Kath-wolf, though, I suppose.
Tell me about it. I had such good intentions for this game, and then event after event conspired against me! One might think it was karma. :D

Umm, as to our choices, you definitely don't want our full discussions. Perhaps Rikae you could do the explanations since you were our longest surviving comrade?

[Firefoot]

That was... harrowing, to say the least. :D I had a lot of fun. Thanks for probing me into playing, Nogrod.

Great job everybody - especially to Rikae for lasting so long under such great suspicion. You almost had me thinking you were innocent again.

As of Night 3, Kath, I was completely convinced you were innocent and extensively debated protecting you over Durelin (I still don't know if this was a good choice - Nogrod, what did Rune inform the wolves?? Would Durelin have been dead if I hadn't protected her? Or not - would I have been able to then protect her the next night?). Lal was my third choice, but that was when I started thinking she was a wolf.

Boro's revealing himself may well have been one of the best things to happen in the game - it allowed Durelin and I to at least know each other's identities, and considering that I was one of her prime suspects until then... :D

Very enjoyable, everyone.

[Nogrod]

The wolves played well and the teamwork seemed to go smoothly in good sporting spirits, but the Villagers were just outstanding, just absolutely fabulous!

And I'm most delighted of the way this win was gained. Plain and clear old-fashioned reasoning: observation and logic. Wow! :cool:

But had the dynamics of this game been different (aka the roles would have been spreaded differently) I think also the special roles would have turned out having very different effects indeed...

I'll post you something about the roles before I go to sleep...

................
And as so many people here have already said: it was really a great game to read (and to mod). Thank's all! Love you!

[Nogrod]

Rune was basically a normal cobbler. But I called him informer as he was able to send the wolves a piece of information everyNight (after the wolves had sent me their kill) - two in the first Night. That information was taken randomly from a list of things that they could learn, ranging from information about someone having no role to the way other roles work or even someone having a role X (Rune might have also learned an identity of a wolf as well). So as the time would have gone on, the informer might have proven a very important player.

I also thought that playing it would be nice as the informer would learn the same things he was "sending" to the wolves (= I sent the info to all of them).

In this game Rune managed to pass the following information:
Night2
- Mith has no special role.
- The hunter has a list of three during Nights.
Night3
- Another Ranger protected Anguirel this Night and Boro the Night before.

I guess the other roles we have already discussed... I'll answer any questions, though.

.............
It was somewhat ironic that Celuien protected Anguirel on Night2 and after that Ang killed him with his dagger on the same Night! And I couldn't narrate that to not tell you too much! :p

There was this one also: no Ranger protected Boro on Night3 (as they couldn't), but neither did Boro had any wolf in his list of three then! I really bit my nails that day as I waited for how it would turn out as I knew that it would become really hard for the wolves if they didn't try to kill him at that point - and actually seeing that they had their chance of a lifetime there... :confused:


Would Durelin have been dead if I hadn't protected her? Or not - would I have been able to then protect her the next night?Nope - and yes... That's the way it turns occasionally. :(

But who here trusts me?Fortunately I destroyed the individual answers back then and only have this summary left. But someone does!

[Macalaure]

Hilarious game! I sometimes used to lose interest in a game once I'm out, but not so this time. At the end of the second day I thought the village might be swept by the wolves. Great turnaround then.

Roa (Day 1): Hm, Rikae seems really suspicious to me. I'll be looking at her closely in the next few days.

*Roa gets killed*

Village: Roa was probably killed because she's a good player, not because she was onto anything. Nevermind that she's usually left alive by the wolves because she's a suspicion magnet. Nope, she didn't have a wolf pegged or anything.

Rikae: *bats eyes* Roa was some sort of fearsome player? I had no idea! *bats eyes some more and repeats same thing two more times*

Roa: *bangs head against keyboard*Hate to disappoint you, Roa, but I got killed by the alpha-wolf Rikae. :p

Very good game, Rikae! There were just too many known innocents in the end.

[Rikae]

Well, Volo, you were right about me; I'm not a very good wolf! I wish I knew how you and Roa spotted me so early...

I suspected Firefoot had to be the other ranger. The way she and Durelin were interacting showed some kind of understanding; if I hadn't been a wolf, I would have thought they were. Of course, with those two knowing each other and Boro and Ang known innocents, there was no way for the wolves to win; I just wanted to take Boro with me when I went...was that too much to ask, Ang? :p

OK, plotting:
Night 2, it was basically the "fearsome player" theory - I've never played with Roa before, but my fellow wolves filled me in, and I, remembering how brilliantly Mac tracked down Cel-wolf in another game, didn't want to wait around for him to do the same with one of us. There was also a bit of a double bluff thrown in; we hoped someone might think it was intended to point to me or Lal. But no one even bothered to look at their suspects!

Night 3, we were trying to get a ranger. Kath thought Gil might be one, and I thought Eomer might.

Night 4, we wanted to take out a ranger, of course, but also hoped that with the quarreling between Duralin and yours truly it would look like a framing attempt.

Night 5, like Nogrod said, I wanted to go with a blaze of glory. Too bad that knife-wielding maniac had to wreak it!

Someday I will have my revenge...mwahahaha!

~ Wolfae

[Rikae]

Oh, I have a question for Boro...

was all that exaggerated "I trust Rikae and Lal" stuff on day one a trick of some kind? I thought it was you thrying to lull us into a false sense of security...and then lo and behold, you abrubtly change your tune on day two. Was I right?

[mormegil]

Mormegil – T1, D6, A5, W6

That D6 has nothing to do with the mass bandwagon against me did it? :rolleyes: The oddest part is that the wolves really didn't play any big role in my lynching.

At least more people are afraid of Ang than afraid of me. I want to know who trusts me though I suspect I know who ;) .

Nogrod, I must say this game was great. I love the GDB role and I've always played with that role in my head and never knew how it would work. Ang I was dumbfounded that you went for Celuien the first night. I didn't think it would happen so quickly, but I thought that it was only one kill per game too.

A rather fun game despite me being a bit side tracked with life and other pursuits.

[Rikae]

*Roa gets killed*

Village: Roa was probably killed because she's a good player, not because she was onto anything. Nevermind that she's usually left alive by the wolves because she's a suspicion magnet. Nope, she didn't have a wolf pegged or anything.

Rikae: *bats eyes* Roa was some sort of fearsome player? I had no idea! *bats eyes some more and repeats same thing two more times*

Roa: *bangs head against keyboard*

Oh yes, that was good fun. So was chewing out Volo for saying I wouldn't be a good wolf, and musing about how "the hunter might be more danger than help." As, of course, he was.

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh yes, that was good fun. So was chewing out Volo for saying I wouldn't be a good wolf, and musing about how "the hunter might be more danger than help." As, of course, he was.


It was actually why I started suspecting Mith and Thin on Day 2- Thin because she was the first to suggest that Mac and I were killed just for being scary opponents, (thus eliminating the need to review our posts); and Mith because she pointed out that I'm usually left alive for the suspicion factor, but not actually doing anything with it.

As to why I suspected you- You threw some mild suspicion at me for being uncontroversial, and suggested I might be a slip-under-the-radar wolf (a laughable concept, I assure you, and I did laugh) while being very noncontroversial yourself. In essence, you said I was suspicious for doing what you were doing.

Good job to our gifteds- sure some mistakes were made, but it could have been worse.

I was really surprised that Morm got lynched on Day 2. "I swear, Officer, that bandwagon came out of nowhere!"

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I really enjoyed my role and was exited about it. . . .I liked the fact that I was of some importance to the wolves and that I had to try and stay alive.

I guess I was not very good at not attracting suspision, I always die early when i am on the wolven side!

I actually had all the wolves on my list of possible wolves and I am somewhat proude of it. . . unfortunately it also became somewhat clear to the villagers who it was after my death.

anyways I had a really good time playing.

[Rikae]

Did you pick up on my hints, then, Rune? :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I do not remember seing anything where I thought "This is a message to me". . . . but there was small things that indicated that you might be one of the wolves.

[Gil-Galad]

lalwende and rikae were my 2 prime wolf suspects before i died too... and i wouldn't have been paid attention too anyways...

[Boromir88]

As I told Nogrod, this was by far the most challenging game I've done...which is a testament to the guileness of the wolves. It came falling down on you towards the end, when I think there were too many trusted gifteds at the end, but an amazing job. I honestly think if he hadn't of gotten Lal, we may not have won this one. After Lal's death I went through as much as I could and that cued us to Rikae and Kath. And Lal surely had me holding my breath at the end of her death wondering if I was about to eat my words.

Nice job to Durelin and Firefoot as well...made my job a lot easier. When I heard that if the rangers protect the same person they 'find' eachother...and the way Durelin had been defending Firefoot I figured she was the last ranger.

Ang, Mith, et all, nice job of directing and sort of being this 'calming' presense through out, especially towards the end.

was all that exaggerated "I trust Rikae and Lal" stuff on day one a trick of some kind? I thought it was you thrying to lull us into a false sense of security...and then lo and behold, you abrubtly change your tune on day two. Was I right?~Rikae
Actually no...I was a little suspicious of Lal, because I thought her jump on my loud/quietness was strange, but other than that I before the day we lynched Lal, I thought you two were innocent. Actually Night 3 may have been your best chance to get rid of me, as I've heard I wasn't protected and I didn't have a wolf. I think first was Rune, but that wouldn't help as Ang killed him ( :rolleyes: )...than I had Eomer and someone else whom I forget. I think the rest of the nights though I did have at least one wolf. When we all found out Lal was a wolf, I went through and that's what cued me to you and Kath. :)

Thank you all for a very challenging game. I was kind of worried about not having a seer, but I liked the little chang as it made it far more challenging...and made trust even a bigger deal. Good job Nogrod. ;)

[Thinlómien]

Great game, everybody.

Sorry my fellow villagers, but after you had lynched me (you should have known I was right... :p) I must say I almost died laughing when I discovered Kath had been a beta-wolf and you had that alpha wolf I had been wondering about (which partially led you to lynch me) still to cope with...

You wolves were just fabulous... I thought we might lose and was getting pretty desperate.

That James Bond role (if you allow me to use the term ;)) was great, but in the end he was maybe even a bit too big profit for the villagers...

But who here trusts me? I admit. :D

[Mithalwen]

Yes but think how dire things looked on Day two with three dead .....

Really sorry to have lynched you Lommy.... I am kicking myself because I had found Rikae the most suspicious until her bravura "Save Lal" attempt which just seemed too ingenuous..... and I did wonder why you didn't support me whenI picked up on Lal's posting.

And well done Ang....

I have to say that that was perhaps the most enjoyable game I have played - I love the assasin role it really mixed things up......

[Mithalwen]

lalwende and rikae were my 2 prime wolf suspects before i died too... and i wouldn't have been paid attention too anyways...


So that's why you never mentioned them but concentrated your comments on Boromir and his supporters and voted for Farael day 2 ...... :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Fearing me, I get. Distrusting me, I get. Wanting to be on my side, I almost get. But who here trusts me?



Err that might have been me..I didn't keep the pm but I think made a qualified comment about trusting your abilities as a strategist and interpreter but never being able to certain to trust your innocence unless proved by a seer...Which explains my genuine surprise that you were killed so early .... . remeber how I jumped on Volo for saying you didn't make sense - the reason you are so dangerous as a wolf is that you can manage to put so much conviction into your reading of the game... I couldn't be sure that you were innocent but I was sure you were making sense .

And I got the sympathy vote ... lol :o

The assasin role does need a big village and no seer to work "evenly".... I do think the seer role can make the ordo villagers lazy - since nothing could be left to the seer we all had to work.. and the more people say, the easier it is ...in theory at least...

[Firefoot]

You know, this game was peculiar in that there were two deaths that came almost out of nowhere. Morm's (although, at least now you all know why I was so desperate to save Durelin...) and Lommy's, too. I honestly hadn't been paying much attention to Morm at all and had no particular desire for his lynching - but I did have a very strong un-desire for Durelin's, mine, and Lommy's. That was bizarre. And Lommy's - almost everyone trusted her, and suddenly we're lynching her... I think the village's paranoia must have gone into overdrive.

[Mithalwen]

Lommies' death was from the sort of situation I was thinking of when I said that wolves might keep Roa alive because of the possibility of engineering a lynch against someone who has a reputation of being a convincing wolf... and Ang forced our hand since Kath was number one suspect for me.

Fairplay to Rikae though she really made me rethink and I was doubting everyone by then..andI really hoped Farael was innocent rather than a disengaged wolf....

I was torn and by the time it came for me to vote it was too late.... I am surprised that Rikae chose to go for Boro since I am sure she must have been on his list of 3 ... unless I have misunderstood again.

[Kath]

I am surprised that Rikae chose to go for Boro since I am sure she must have been on his list of 3 ... unless I have misunderstood again.
No you are right Mith. The Night when Rikae and I were still alive we considered going out in a blaze of glory, sure we couldn't win. We thought it was possible that we were both on Boro's list and considered killing him so as to kill ourselves. On Night 5 when all the odds were against her I think Rikae went back to that option.

[Volo]

I somehow felt proud that Ang's first two kills were for exactly the two I suspected most while I was alive, being wrong didn't make me less proud of myself... :rolleyes:

This game was just too much against the wolves, I really hoped that the alpha-wolf would be a great big suprise from Nogrod, but alas, it ended all too quickly. :(

Kudos to you again wolves, three rangers and still they couldn't stop your kills, well done! Liked the idea of three rangers, I hope that somebody will ressurect it.

You know, this game was peculiar in that there were two deaths that came almost out of nowhere.
Too much rushed thinking about wierd stuff...?
:) Sounds like something I'd have done.

[Boromir88]

This game was just too much against the wolves,
I think it was just a matter of the wolves being unlucky. I mean Day 1 it was me, and I was forced to reveal (which now I like how the gamble paid off :) ) Day 2 it was Durelin, which also led to the 'easing off of Firefoot' than Ang revealed at the best possible time. There were too many 'trusted' for the wolves to face towards the end...and it all goes back to Day 1 and 2, where by pure chance the two 'lynch candidates' were the hunter and a ranger.

I mean if that didn't happen and we didn't get a good group of people here that the village put their trust in, I would have said it was in the wolves favor especially if the Cobbler had survived longer. It seems like everything came apart for the wolves, but honestly if it wasn't for just a great job of collaberation by all the innocent I would imagine the wolves would have annhilated us. ;)

[Roa_Aoife]

I admit.

Err that might have been me

Ironically, I believe I put you two on my list of "tend to trust," with the qualifier that I never deem anyone innocent, but if I absolutely had to trust anyone, it would be you two.

I think it was just a matter of the wolves being unlucky.

I think it was a little of both. It was five gifted (all with the ability to kill the wolves, albeit under certain conditions) against 3 wolves and a cobbler. The village was really unlucky up untill Night 3- We lost four innocents before the start of Day two, and then lynched another one. But it was still numbered in such a way that we were in a good spot. If you think about it, it's not like the wolves could just take out the known innocents, simply due to the nature of the gifted. Had the wolves been luckier, and we had fewer reveals, they may have gone longer. But as for winning, that would have taken some more luck (ie, killing the gifted in the night, with out getting killed themselves) or some really bold and risky plays. Now it's not as unbalanced as that whole "shaman" that appeared a little while back, and it still turned out fairly even. Also, had things been spread differently, it could have been a wolf victory.

Both sides played well, I think. I still don't know where that Morm bandwagon came from though.

[Mithalwen]

as it now seems..... things were pretty bleak at the end of day 2 when we were 6 innocents down (inc Naria).

What made the difference is that Ang held his nerve - and after Celuien he could have been excused for getting cautious - his taking out Rune turned the tide.

[Durelin]

I was totally convinced we were going to lose...

[Volo]

??? Huh, strange. I thought that an Assassin and a Hunter like that and three Rangers to defend them is a bit too good. A wolf would have no reason to reveal themselves as a Gifted because the Gifted (except Rangers) had no problem revealing themselves. A Hunter had a protective aura without Rangers, ok, it was luck that Boromir and not me was the Hunter, but just too many proven innocent well protected Superordos.

I don't think that the wolves could have done much better unless they killed the Assassin quickly, but because they didn't even know about an Assassin (:rolleyes: :D) they wouldn't know whom to search.

Just my thoughts. We should try the same game system again if you ask me, maybe making the Alpha immune to the Gifteds or something.

[Mithalwen]

I wasn't hopeful at all..... not until we got Kath ..and even then I was scared we'd throw the advantage away..

Durelin .. I meant to say - this post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=507662&postcount=21) made me laugh so much I really wanted you to be innocent ...... by the time I arrived it was so intense I forgot to be frivolous at all.... ;)

That and Ang's Zabaglione post were my favourites .....

[Mithalwen]

??? Huh, strange. I thought that an Assassin and a Hunter like that and three Rangers to defend them is a bit too good..

Not necessarily ..... what if we hadn't got Rune ? If we had lost we would have moaned about how the Assasin was a liability and the Informer an unfair advantange - gifteds are as gifteds does ....

I have modded 2 games ..in the first they had a full complement of gifteds (for the standard of the time) - and none of them got a chance to use their gifts.
Second game they only had the seer, who picked two wolves straight and the game was over in three days....

[Rikae]

I think we baddies did pretty well against the odds, especially considering that two of us had absolutely no experience as wolves!
Mith, Kath's right, I went after Boro because I figured I was done for anyway and might as well take the hunter with me instead of waiting around to be lynched or assassinated.
I really liked the "secret roles" feature of this game; it added a whole new level of strategy and excitement. When my turn comes to mod, I'm thinking of revisiting that idea.
Great game everyone! Volo, you still haven't told me how you knew I was a wolf on day one...

[Durelin]

Haha, thanks Mith! I wish I had more of a chance to be "in-character," but I got lazy at first, and then I got too into the game itself to bother with it too much...

And apologies to morm. I really had no reason to lynch you, I just wanted to save myself for some reason. I guess I foolishly felt like I was important. At least I knew of one additional innocent, and I was a known innocent for Firefoot, but...other than that I think I gave my Rangerness more credit than it deserved then. :D

Oh, I forgot to say this again: Rikae, awesome avatar!

[Rikae]

Thanks, same to you!

I wished Lal had kept hers a little longer; it's amusing to read the thread with the wolf avatars out there for all to see!

[Volo]

Volo, you still haven't told me how you knew I was a wolf on day one...
Not before I died, when I posted my thoughts on you I didn't think you were a wolf. But the reason you voted me, it wasn't a reason... Well, it could have been seen as joke and agreement with others about me being suspicious.

So I guess the answer is that I didn't know you were a wolf on day1. How could I? You played really well, but for your reason to vote for me.


Indeed, the Informer, I didn't understand the role before you, Mith, mentioned it now. Hmm... Interesting role, Nogrod could give hints to the villains...

Yes, I agree now that the result depends on so many things. Killing Ang on night3 (did the other Ranger protect him then?) was proposed by the Informer, that would have made a big change. Knowing that Mith isn't a Ranger was also really useful knowledge...

(How glad I am that I wasn't the Cobbler/Informer, I would have had to lie unlike in any other role. :eek: I don't know how to be a liar! (Even though I act cobblerisque naturally. Do I?))

What was that shaman Roa mentioned?

[mormegil]

I think one of the problems on my bandwagon was that I wasn't able to be present while it happened. It easy to lynch somebody who is abscent. Plus I hadn't been behaving completely normal, but I have tried lately to add some variety to playing style.

[Kath]

And I liked it morm! Do you know I never suspected you at all? Which is just unheard of. It was strange realising that you'd been quiet though!

[Roa_Aoife]

It wasn't unbalanced, per se. It just required a good bit of luck on both sides (perhaps a bit more on the wolves side), which I suppose is how any game of werewolf should eventually end up. (I know I hate it when my victories are cheapened by saying the game was balanced in my favor *coughdeulingwizardscough*)

The "shaman" was like a seer, but instead the dream could go to any player. Given that there were some 12 villagers to 3 wolves, all the liklihood of receiving dreams was in the favor of the village, which allowed innocents to come forward with concrete information, and removed the danger of the shaman being revealed. It was like having an unkillable seer who could just make more and more known innocents and in the end it was obvious who the wolves were because there was quite literally everyone else was a known innocent. (My only loss as a wolf ever, and it was in part my fault for a crazy, overbold plan to combat the shaman.)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Good game. :) I liked the villagers' reasoning towards the end.

[Nogrod]

I think the game was basically quite even, in it's initial setting I mean. Remember that both the Hunter and the Assassin could have had cut it both ways.

Like Boro said, by the happenstance that the Hunter and one Ranger came under heave pressure on Days1 and 2, they came forwards and changed the dynamics a lot by that. Had they been killed off then and there the situation would have returned to "somewhat even" again.

Then there was the incredible Assassin named Anguirel... I mean I had thought that the Assassin might kill once or possibly twice in a game. You could all think how often you would have used that power yourselves, especially after killing one of the Rangers as your first job... :D

And surely it helped Ang in his work that there seemed to be something like a Village consensus pretty early on that Lal, Kath, Rikae (and Firefoot) looked the most suspicious. Add to that the "knowledge" (well, one can't be sure, but anyhow) of Durelin and Boro - later also Ang being innocents. Well the wolves had no chance in that situation anymore.

So even though it looked like the wolves were having the upper hand after a couple of Days the tide had actually started to turn slowly against then already, consisting of a lots of minute details that consistently turned to the favour of the villagers.

With someone else gaining the mostly random suspicion on Day1 than Boro, Someone not spotting some people wolvishly backing each other in a vague manner, someone less assured / bloody player as the assassin... and the game would have been a lot different.

But it was a lot of fun as it was, and kudos to the Village for great thinking and brilliant co-operation, and a deep bow to the wolves who died fighting to the end (especially Rikae did great the last Day she was alive!).

[Volo]

I mean I had thought that the Assassin might kill once or possibly twice in a game. You could all think how often you would have used that power yourselves, especially after killing one of the Rangers as your first job... :D
Would somebody really not use a dagger like that?
I would have been so obsessed about that shiny pointy thingie that I'd pierce the eyes of anybody coming too close. I would have whined about why does the Assassin get only one kill a day.
On the other hand. I guess it was lucky that Ang got it... :D

[Thinlómien]

Really sorry to have lynched you Lommy.... Never mind Mith - lynching innocents is what usually tends to happen in werewolf games... ...

Lommies' death singular: lommy, plural: lommies, possessive plural: lommies' ? .confused: :D

Ironically, I believe I put you two on my list of "tend to trust," with the qualifier that I never deem anyone innocent, but if I absolutely had to trust anyone, it would be you two.Should I be flattered? :p

It easy to lynch somebody who is abscent.I agree. And almost everytime these rushed last-minute lynches kill innocents...

[The Saucepan Man]

I agree. And almost everytime these rushed last-minute lynches kill innocents...One of the reasons that I am generally against retractable votes. While I appreciate the last-minute excitement that they can bring, the downside is that a villager (whether a Wolf or an innocent) can suddenly be turned on and lynched without having much, if any, say in the matter. Further, it can largely exclude from any meaningful participation in the lynching all of those who are not able to be around at the end of the Day.

To my mind, a vote is a vote is a vote, and it should be final. Suspicions can be aired, accusations can be made, threats can be issued, but a vote is something which should be carefully considered. To my mind, non-retractable votes encourage much more strategic play - from Wolves and innocents alike. The timing of the vote becomes much more important (although this admittedly can sometimes be forced upon a player by RL committments). It also allows the Day to tell more of a continuous story, rather than one with a final twist at the end of which turns it on its head.

An enjoyable game, nevertheless, from a spectator's perspective. Congrats to the villagers (although I was, as always rooting for the Wolves) and excellent modding, Nogrod. I liked the new roles, the assassin and the informant particularly. I do wonder, though, whether there is room for both a hunter and an assassin in a single village.

In my view, it could have gone either way until near to the end. The declarations, however, are what made the difference. While (with the exception of Ang's) they were essentially forced by events, they were all timed to maximum effect. With a hunter role like Boro had in this game, combined with at least one ranger, there is a good argument for revealing on Day 1 every time.

[Thinlómien]

One of the reasons that I am generally against retractable votes. While I appreciate the last-minute excitement that they can bring, the downside is that a villager (whether a Wolf or an innocent) can suddenly be turned on and lynched without having much, if any, say in the matter. Further, it can largely exclude from any meaningful participation in the lynching all of those who are not able to be around at the end of the Day.Indeed. The reason I've sometimes voted against having retrackies is that they're sometimes unfair for those not in the convenient timezone...

[Volo]

Indeed. The reason I've sometimes voted against having retrackies is that they're sometimes unfair for those not in the convenient timezone...
Nah, I think the same goes for one vote. Two votes is better for people with changing timetables. But then, there are people who have a certain limited amount of time (like Lommy) and people who might have a full day or no time at all (like me). And I don't think that one vote brings more strategy, it brings different strategy, but two votes brings just as much. I personally like two votes more. :)

[Mithalwen]

One option would be to let the hunter's list match the number of werewolves still at large - that would have made the end tighter and kept with the idea of a "logical" hunter - 3 names when looking for three wolves ..1 name when looking for 1 wolf...

And Sauce after this I was, as always rooting for the Wolves - how do you ever hope to survive Day 1 again? :p

Lommy - oops :o

[Anguirel]

Well. Argh. Um. That was traumatic...

I must admit, I wanted to back wolves, preferably more wolves than the village. So I killed Kath rather than letting her be lynched; and I helped lynch Thinlomien with the private reason that if I was wrong, I would probably personally bag the last wolf afterwards...

Never have I seen a more shoulder-to-shoulder village than this one, after the death of Lalwende in particular. Remarkable.

But I do think it could have gone either way; the double-killing was a terrifying threat earlier on. I killed impetuously largely because I didn't want to be eaten before doing something...spectacular.

Hilarious how in the arch-Ranger game, not a single kill was stopped!

[Durelin]

Hilarious how in the arch-Ranger game, not a single kill was stopped!

Well, you went and offed poor Celuien, and then Firefoot and I were too busy trying to protect you random gifteds that kept popping up... :p

I must admit I root for the wolves at times...basically whenever I'm not a Gifted and feel like I have to help the village and, as Ang said, do something spectacular. So far I have failed.

*is waiting to be a Wolf*

[Nogrod]

*is waiting to be a Wolf*"Your time is gonna come..." (know the old Led Zeppelin song? ;) )

[Durelin]

Haha, yep, and...eventually...maybe.

And then for once it will be lucky that I'm a pathological liar...as I have been accused of being, anyway... ;)

[Roa_Aoife]

*is waiting to be a Wolf*

Welcome to the darkside. Have a cookie.
:D

[Durelin]

Mmm...

*dons black cape, sharpens her claws, bears her fangs, and starts working on her evil laugh...

[The Saucepan Man]

Two votes is better for people with changing timetables.Why so? If a variable timetable means that someone cannot be on-line at the end of a particular Day, they are disadvantaged whether the votes are retractable or not. In any event, most people seem to have fairly fixed times when they can be on. While non-retractable votes can disadvantage those who cannot be on-line at the Day's end to a degree, I think that it is less so than retractable votes, because, with retractable votes, much of the real action happens at the Day's end.

And I don't think that one vote brings more strategy, it brings different strategy, but two votes brings just as much.True, but with retractable votes, the strategy is focussed much more on the Day's end, whereas it is spread more throughout the day with non-retractables.

And Sauce after this I was, as always rooting for the Wolves - how do you ever hope to survive Day 1 again?Hehe. I meant as a spectator, of course. :D

I have a habit of rooting for underdogs. In the early days of Werewolf, when the Wolves were running riot, I tended to root for the innocents. These days, with innocents achieving greater ascendency, I tend to root for the Wolves.

When Volo was lynched on the first Day in this game, I thought that it was going to be another of those games where the villagers lynch themselves to their doom by killing innocents who are just acting too suspiciously to be Wolves (it was clear to me that he was innocent :p ) and Day 2 wasn't much better. Happily, though, you innocents turned it round with some much more clear and incisive thinking in the end.

As I recall, my suspects at the end of Day 1 were Celuien, Firefoot and Lal (and hence could understand Ang's misplaced kill). There is just something about the way Gifteds act that always make me think them Wolves. I am, of course, a seasoned Seer lyncher. :rolleyes:

Hey, do you think I could get a job as a half-time summariser for Werewolf games ...