WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Nogrod]

NB. All persons not known or revealed in any of the narrations will be referred to as a "he". So there is no hint whatsoever concerning the sex of any particular person having a role in the narrations.


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A shadowy beast, almost darker than the night surrounding it ran through the woods and fields of Taur-nu-Fuin silencing every creature around on it’s way. It was a Gaur of Sauron and it had a mission.

The Eagles glided downwards from the high altitudes they had been travelling over Ered Gorgoroth. Every one of them was carrying a sword that shone in the light of the full moon above the clouds. They were searching for the Gaur.

The paths of these creatures seemed to be converging on the same spot: a small, almost insignificant village in the vicinity of Tarn Aeluin. Many lights were lit in the village that night by the villagers who couldn’t sleep. The village had been restless for a long time already as so many of the sons and husbands had been taken off to the war up North. But tonight there was a restlesness of a different sort. It moved from house to house as the beasts were approaching.

The Gaur sensed the Eagles and hastened it’s pace. It had to reach the village first.

The Eagles felt the presence of the servant of Sauron and rushed forwards, now sure of their target, shrieking as they glided downwards.

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The Gaur had already passed a few farmsteads as it halted in front of a house it felt was the right one. It listened carefully and sensed around to be sure. The Eagles were yet far enough and the villager living in the house was not inside. Quietly it sneaked forwards, now seeing and hearing what it had been waiting for. The villager was coming from around the corner with a small lamp in his hand. He seemed to be nervous and tried to whistle a tune to make himself feel more secure.

Before he had time to realise what happened the sharp teeth penetrated the thin flesh of his throat. The pain was horrible. There had been nothing, nothing even in his wildest nightmares that could have surpassed the agony the bite of the Gaur inflicted. The will and the mind of the villager were dimming and getting fainter. But there was a new voice there. The voice of the Master.

The Gaur slipped away from the yard and continued towards the center of the village. A loud shriek came down from high up the sky. Suddenly there felt to be movement everywhere.

One villager had been visiting another earlier in the evening. As the restlessness of the night had crept in they had decided that the visitor should stay over that night. To their misfortune they had not been able to sleep and now opened the door to get a look at the heavens to see what had caused the noise. The Gaur was on them in a flash. The two villagers sensed the onrushing beast early enough to try and turn around from the door but had no chance of actually making the turn.

But just as the Gaur leaped on them the first Eagle dashed down with a shriek that was now so loud as to freeze everyone miles around. No one dared to open their eyes, neither to look outside from their homes. But everyone was awake in the village now just hearing the noise of the battle been played out in their village.

There was biting, clawing, howling and crawling and shrieking. The Gaur had to concentrate on defending itself so it only managed to hastily snap at the throats of the two villagers who had already been stunned by fear and shock. Eventually it had to retreat as it was alone against three giant Eagles. The Eagles followed it but the Gaur had a good cover running under the trees and between the houses, spaces too tight for the Eagles to attack it.

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The Eagles pulled up and circled a few rounds over the village. Then as from a common consent shared without a word or gesture they all plunged down, every one of them landing beside one villager’s house.

“This is a sword of the order of Thorondor. Even a Gaur will be afraid of it and pull back when seeing one. And a Gaur indeed has infected your village. It will now be your task to defend those of you who are innocent during the nights. Good luck to you villager and pick the ones you defend wisely!” That was the message the Eagles told the frightful villagers who hid inside their homes and waited for the worst. After leaving the swords in front of the doors the Eagles pulled up again, now already looking at the scent of the Gaur.

They felt it’s tracks soon enough. Two of the Eagles took after it but the third one made yet one more plunge to the village.

It landed beside yet another house and knocked the door with its beak. It had sensed that in this house there lived a brave villager and it was right. The villager opened the door carefully, ashtonised to face a giant Eagle. The great Eagle whispered something into his ear and then pulled a golden dagger from it’s feathers and gave it to the confused villager. With a gracious nod it took to it’s wings and went after it’s friends.

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PLEASE NOTE: Do not post to this thread yet... Game starting here, soon...

[Nogrod]

Basics:

Roles:
There are three werewolves to kill the villagers.
There are three rangers to defend the villagers.
There are three others with some specialities (which will be hinted at / revealed in the narrations).
There are ten ordinary villagers trying to get rid of the werewolves.

Winning:
The villagers win when all the werewolves are dead.
The werewolves win when their number equals the number of villagers.


Some important rules:

- The deadline is 10 PM GMT by the official World Clock (http://www.arachnoid.com/lutusp/worldclock.html).
- The game will start with a Night phase on Sunday 28th.

- Everyone has a choice of retracting her/his vote once each Day for whatever reason.

- There will be no double-lynchings.
- If there's a tie, the person reaching the highest vote first is lynched.

- Players who don’t post or fail to vote in two days in a row will be removed from the game.
- Exceptions to this rule may be negotiated with the Mod in advance of the absence (in PM), but that will naturally not give anyone an immunity from lynching or a Nightly kill during the absence.


Miscellanious rules and recommendations:

- All discussion about RL hindrances etc. should take place in the admin thread, which I hope all the players will check regularly.
- The roles will be revealed upon death.
- There will be no clues to the sex of different persons in their roles in the Nightly narrations. All unknowns will be referred to as “he”.
- Editing is allowed to correct horrendous spelling/grammar mistakes, to go back and bold a vote or to mark cross-posts: otherwise editing is strongly discouraged.
- Bolding the names of your fellowplayers in your posts is strongly encouraged.
- The votes should be cast as usual: on a separate line, bolded, ++ in the beginning when giving or -- when retracting a vote.
- All players should be in the Invisible Mode.
- The mod will answer any questions you have by PM – within the limits he sees fit.

Nb. These rules are subject to change as long as Day1 begins. If you think a rule is bad or incomprehensible - or if you think an important ruling is missing, please raise the issue in the admin thread.

[Nogrod]

Celuien the Innkeeper was astonished to meet her customer up that early. The weird man who called himself Nogrod came to the breakfast at the usual time and had awaken her, like nothing had happened last night!

“Oh ya mate? How onearth did ya sleep last nite?” she asked him puzzledly, trying to get awake.

“In fact I didn’t, but anyhow I need a decent breakfast before a long ride”, Nogrod answered and sat down to the table that had become his regular one during the week he had stayed in the village, the one beside the windows facing east from where the sun was shining. The dawn was already turning into a full day and all the nature was already up and awake around the village that still felt like being in a dream.

“Hey Mith, get on with it, Noggie here wishes his breakfast!” Celuien shouted to the kitchen and then turned to the man again. “So you’re leavin, aye? Now whassup, stranger?”

Nogrod looked out from the window and only slowly turned his head to meet the questioning eyes of the innkeeper.

“Well, my task is done and I need to follow the tracks. My humble assistance may be needed in the next village”, he fell silent for a while looking like he was insecure about something. The Innkeeper waited for him partly from politeness but also because she had nothing to say to this awkward stranger she barely knew.

“Maybe we should wait for the others to come in? They will come here anyhow, now don’t they?” he said and turned away from the Innkeeper, gazing again out of the window like deep in thought.

“I su’pose...” Celuien answered hesitatingly and went to the kitchen to help her Frivolous Serving-Wench with the bacon, eggs and tomatoes.

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Slowly people started to gather to the Inn. The stranger had his breakfast at his table as the villagers milled around the serving desk. The air was thick with questions. What had happened last night? Was everyone safe and sound? Was someone missing? What was this all about? What were those noises? The shrieks? The howling? What was that bone-freezing fear they had experienced? Who had had the worst experiences? Were there any tidings from the war? Did this relate to it in any way?

“Maybe we’ll ask the stranger?” said Eiliniel’s younger brother Macalaure suddenly as the debate was getting heated. All turned to look at the lonely table by the window and everyone noticed Nogrod’s poorly acted detachedness as he forked the last piece of bacon into his mouth and then wiped his mouth clean with the cotton cloth, still chewing. He had clearly been waiting for that suggestion to come his way. Macalaure had been right again.

“Maybe you should”, he said calmly as he had swallowed. “I don’t have much time as I need to be on my way anyhow. So before I go I need to tell you all that I know of this”. With that he laid the cloth to the table and coughed to clear his throat.

“The war is everywhere. The struggle between the good and the evil... It’s not only in the actual battlefield. Morgoth has many ways.” He glanced at the villagers calmingly after the harsh name he had just uttered. “One of them is his puppet who creates a lots of sorrow, his servant called Sauron. A Gaur of his visited this village last night. That was the evil you sensed.” Nogrod said slowly, eying the villagers.

“I am a humble servant of the order of Thorondor and my task is to abide in villages around the area of threat, before anything happens. The milk has been spilled already here and my presence would be of no further use to you anyhow. I admit I have failed you as I couldn’t do more. I should have.” He looked at the villagers gathered around the desk this time with pity in his eyes. “I’m sorry”.

“But the Eagles made it almost in time and have now armed you. That was part of the hassle last night. Some of you know very well how they helped you. Trust me, you are well armed against the dark forces here. Just lynch the baddies and everything will be allright”. He tried hard to sound confident.

Rune the Moonshiner asked him the thought most of the villagers were going through in their minds. “What’s it we’re supposed to deal with here then, stranger?”

Nogrod rose up from his chair and pushed it forwards. “There are three werewolves among you. Two of them may be a bit weaker than the third... I don’t know. That was all the great Eagle could tell me before they left”. He looked at the villagers with a professional compassion in his eyes. “But three of you have been armed with swords that make those beasts back away. And one of you possesses a golden dagger. As I said, I believe you’re well armed to face this evil by yourselves now.”

With that he wiped his hands clean with the cloth and started to the door. But the villagers were not going to let him slip away that easily, all calling for answers to things they had been thinking.

“There may be things I don’t know of and they may help you or get you into deeper trouble, that seems to be the order of things ”, he said as he tried to get to the doorway “Sorry, my masters command me to get off from here. There are other villages too...” But the villagers were pressing on him, not allowing him to leave that easily. He looked at the villagers once more, now clearly concerned.

Gil-Galad, the Confused Philosopher opened his mouth for all of them. “You claim to know that you don’t know something but still you rush into telling us that it might harm us, or not. Now be square, logical and argumentative, stranger. What d’ya mean? What are we to do?”

Nogrod looked at the philosopher and frowned “Well, I thought I would hear that question. I was coming to it.” he said, pushing towards the door as he spoke.

“I have not been here only to tell you what happened last night. I have been observing you as a village the week I’ve spent with you”, he said, concentrating on his words now.

“So think of it yourselves first. Who is it among you that you’re afraid of now as you know that three of you have been changed into monsters?” That sentence was like unleashing a beast in the small inn. Everyone started looking around concernedly. It was clear that most pairs of fearful eyes were nailed on Anguirel the Merry, the Town Fletcher Roa and the Tall Doctor Mormegil. It looked like a space was opening around the three of them.

Nogrod looked at the anguished villagers from the doorway where he had managed to slip himself in the overall confusion and continued: “Think also, if there are some people you would really wish to be on your side then?” Quite a many still looked half-frighteningly at the trio but most were soon changing their gazes towards the Serious Jester Boromir and Eomer the Beekeeper who were leaning on the other end of the desk together.

Macalaure, Eiliniel’s Younger Brother and Lommy the Ugly Little Shepherdess also realised to be surrounded by people who felt themselves more safe around them. It seemed that people weren’t afraid of them and wished them to be on their side.

“You see? You have pretty strong ideas about you others, now don’t you? I guess you all have your history in here to carry with you, but think for a moment before you go on lynching each other on the basis of old feuds or mishaps. You’re dealing with werewolves here, not with your old misgivings.” With that Nogrod let his eyes wander around the Inn until they spotted Farael, the Moose Tamer. “Now what has he done to you my good people to earn only distrust from you others? Or how about Kath, your Weaver then? Or this Confused Philosopher? Do you think these people will automatically turn into werewolves just because you don’t trust them in the first place?”

Oddly enough, when the word distrust was mentioned, a lot of the villagers turned to look at the Beekeeper again. The Tall Doctor had his fair share of the glances too.

“I would also like to remind you my friends,” Nogrod continued “that as I have followed your life and discussed with most of you here at the Inn, I must say that you’re quick to let some of you just slip away from your thoughts. The perfect case being that of Volo, your Cryptic Lense Grinder here, or somewhat also the Augur Durelin, or Rikae the Superstitious Mathematician. You barely mention them in your discussions, not to back them nor to suspect them. Don’t forget anyone. You can’t afford it. Not even not checking this mostly pleasent character of your Innkeeper Celuien or others like her, I mean Eiliniel the Village Idiot, the Homeless Waif, the Page Girl, the Moonshiner... What I mean is, there are more of those you don’t suspect or remember to look at to begin with than those who are on everyone’s minds from the very beginning.”

The people looked baffled and distressed.

“Okay. I’ll make an auguration myself. You’ll lynch the Moose Tamer, the Philosopher and the Weaver first, then you brave yourselves to lynch those you’re really afraid of; Gorlim's Lighthearted Brother, the Fletcher and the Tall Doctor. That is unless the wolves won’t aid you in these, of course. And in the end, if the wolves won’t destroy this unconscious plan of your shared sentiments, there will be the Mathematician, the Ugly Shepherdess, the Cryptic Lense Grinder, Eiliniel’s brother and this Frivolous Serving Wench making the last stand. Whether that will save you I can’t tell. But anyhow, good luck to you and hold the forces of evil back!”

With that he turned around and took out from the door, leaving the villagers into the Inn. Some of them were smiling inwardly, some of them were understanding more than the others, and the rest were being just even more confused.

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The Village:
Durelin - The Village Augur
Rikae - A Superstitious Mathematician
Thinlómien - An Ugly Little Shepherdess
Volo – A Cryptic Lense Grinder
Kath - A Weawer
Macalaure- Eiliniel's Witty Younger Brother Who's Always Right
Rune son of Bjarne - A Moonshiner
Boromir88 - The Serious Jester
Mithalwen - A Frivolous Serving-Wench
Lalwendë - Eiliniel, A Retired Village Idiot
Farael – A Moose Tamer
Anguirel - Gorlim's Lighthearted Brother, Anguirel the Merry
Mormegil – The Tall Doctor
Celuien - The Innkeeper
Firefoot - A Homeless Waif
Eomer of the Rohirrim - A Beekeeper
Gil-Galad - A Confused Philosopher
Roa_Aoife - The Town Fletcher

DAY1 has started.

Wolves, please stop PM'ing. All villagers, get on to it.

[Firefoot]

Well, someone's got to break the ice.

Stunning news, isn't it? Never have I been so envious of the rest of you, living in your nice houses, while I'm out here and exposed at night. Oh dear me. Though it seems that most of you have forgotten about me anyway. That's right. Forget about the poor homeless waif. Perhaps I should be thankful, though; it's better than being distrusted from the start.

So who's suspicious...? Come forth, I say. Let's get ourselves a wolf today. (Hey, that rhymed.) First off, I think that Lommy and Mac ought not to be trusted, just because everyone does.

[Gil-Galad]

wow... okay lets start on with firefoots bandwagon and say Lommy and Mac are suspicous... then cause i jsut said that people are going to think "hye, that gil-agald may be covering himself up" but if i was knowing that by saying this would put suspicion on me wouldn't i not post what i just said? or maybe i can over-step this logic by stating this, then stating this to make myself safe because it is al lvery confusing... don't you hate it when logic contradicts itself hmmmm?

[Celuien]

Oh dear, Firefoot. There was always shelter in the inn for those as were willin' to do some chores t'earn their keep. Ye'd have been most welcome anytime.

All I can say is that I can't trust anyone. But if there's anyone I really don't trust, it'd have t'be that moonshiner Rune. Tries to steal me business, he does, with that false brew of his. :p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I never trust Mac. . . .I always think him a lynch candidate, nut of course so are you Gil.

But yeah lets get the talking going. . . dunno what to say really, but I will be here for some hours.

[Rikae]

Firefoot, ya know, Mac is a very dangerous wolf; but he is also a great wolf-hunter. I've never seen an evil Lommy that I recall, so I'm not sure whether I'd be able to recognise one.

I'm guessing the three rangers with swords that drive the wolves away can't kill the wolves, then, but the one with the gold sword can. The odds are actually pretty good, although if we had a seer or a weaver or some other way of gathering information it would be so much better.

I'm inclined to think the poll is going to be more a distraction than anything else. It's often the case that the same people who make the most dangerous wolves are also some of the biggest assets to the village when innocent, and vice versa. "I want so-and-so on my side" is, after all, not much different from "I don't want so-and-so for an enemy".

[Boromir88]

Firefoot's innocent, Gil-galad's innocent...and Celuien looks fanged. She seems too nice for my liking:
Oh dear, Firefoot. There was always shelter in the inn for those as were willin' to do some chores t'earn their keep.
This whole dear night and 'I would give you a place to stay' don't sit right with me. If you all think I'm joking, don't, because this jester never jokes.

[Celuien]

Ha. When have I ever not been nice, Boro? Can't be hospitable and run an inn and all if you're not nice. And niceness has been in my family for a long time. :p

There are three werewolves among you. Two of them may be a bit weaker than the third... I don’t know.
That's most interesting. I don't know what to make of it, and I'm not sure there's anything to be made of it until we have a little more information, but it sounds hopeful.
But three of you have been armed with swords that make those beasts back away. And one of you possesses a golden dagger. As I said, I believe you’re well armed to face this evil by yourselves now.
Either one of the rangers can double as a hunter, or there's a hint about one of the three unknown roles with the mention of the golden dagger. My guess would be that there's a hunter in addition to the rangers.

[Rikae]

Either one of the rangers can double as a hunter, or there's a hint about one of the three unknown roles with the mention of the golden dagger. My guess would be that there's a hunter in addition to the rangers.
Makes sense, and I bet they are four separate people. How exactly does the "hunter" role work? I've heard of it, but I don't know the details.

[Celuien]

The hunter gets to choose another villagers to bring along if killed. There are a couple of variations on the specifics of the role (if the hunter only hunts when killed at night, or also if killed by day, for example) but it pretty much comes down to the same thing. The hunter doesn't die alone at night, and may not die alone by day...

[Roa_Aoife]

First off-

It was clear that most pairs of fearful eyes were nailed on Anguirel the Merry, the Town Fletcher Roa and the Tall Doctor Mormegil. It looked like a space was opening around the three of them.

MWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! That's right! Fear me! FEAR MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

*coughcough* Excuse me.

I think the most prevalent point in Nogrod's message to us before he left was this: Nothing is what it seems. Don't go with the usual trains of thought (I mean, most of us have been around long enough that we've started following a routine, aptly noted by our now departed guest), and suspect EVERYBODY.

So let's be bold, daring even, and actually try to look at evidence from here on out. It's there, people, and not just in the narration.

For example (and keep in mind that I don't have many posts to go on right now) Gil-galad's behavior is unnesecessarily attention grabbing. "But wait!" you say, "Would a wolf dare incriminate himself this early?" Yes, I say. Because it's worked in past villages. And a bold wolf is as dangerous as a quiet wolf.

Of course, he could just be on the wolves' side, and not a wolf himself. I do believe that some among may wish to help the beasts.

Or he could just be acting out his role.


My point is that there's info a plenty, and we should be looking for it, not brushing things off as just banter, or roleplay, or any other such nonsense. I'm going to start keeping summaries now, and I suggest others do the same. (For one, it saves on work later, and for two, it makes you actually look for the point of any single post.)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I must confess that I only skimmed most of what was said by "The Mysterious Stranger"


But I did notice the part about the one wolf being stronger than the others, but I came to another conclution than Celuin (whom I do not trust one bit),

That's most interesting. I don't know what to make of it, and I'm not sure there's anything to be made of it until we have a little more information, but it sounds hopeful.
I was thinking that one of the wolves had gotten stronger than what we previously have expirienced rather than the two had gotten weaker. . .but yeah we will just have to wait and see if this was just to confuse us.

[Firefoot]

Firefoot, ya know, Mac is a very dangerous wolf; but he is also a great wolf-hunter. The same can be quite true about Mormegil or Eomer or any number of people no one ever trusts. "They can be great if they're on our side" is never a good reason to trust anyone. I've never seen an evil Lommy that I recall, so I'm not sure whether I'd be able to recognise one. So we should just trust her? No way.

My point is that everyone is going to come into the game with people they like to trust. As soon as you know who those people are, put them on your distrust list, too, because they're the people who are best going to be able to fool you.

[Boromir88]

That's most interesting. I don't know what to make of it, and I'm not sure there's anything to be made of it until we have a little more information, but it sounds hopeful.~Celuien
I wonder if one wolf knows the identity of his/her two partners, and the other two are clueless?

[Rikae]

The hunter sounds like it might be more danger than help, with no certain knowledge to guide him/her.

Roa, you're making some sense:
"Would a wolf dare incriminate himself this early?" Yes, I say. Because it's worked in past villages. And a bold wolf is as dangerous as a quiet wolf."In fact, I would go as far as to say that in my foremother's experience, there was always a bold wolf.
Still, there's something about your post that bothers me. It reminds me that wolves often slip under the radar by saying enough noncontroversial things to look like a participant without truly participating.

Rune, any special reason you don't trust Cel? I'm inclined not to myself, but I'm pretty sure that's just because her mum killed my mum; we have to be careful to separate past impressions from this game.
For that matter, there is something about you, Rune, that doesn't seem right. I can't put my finger on it...but I'll be reading your posts more closely.

EDIT: Crossed with Firefoot and Boromir.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My point is that everyone is going to come into the game with people they like to trust. As soon as you know who those people are, put them on your distrust list, too, because they're the people who are best going to be able to fool you.Would that not leave every one with lists looking like this

Distrust: Everybody else

Trust: Me

;)

The essense of what you say is of course true, that there should be no one that is automaticaly trusted.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

But if there's anyone I really don't trust, it'd have t'be that moonshiner Rune. Tries to steal me business, he does, with that false brew of his. ubb/tongue.gifI was meerly saying that I did not trust her as a retaliation for this comment, no special intend behind it. . .

[Roa_Aoife]

Would that not leave every one with lists looking like this

Distrust: Everybody else

Trust: Me

Why not? That's what my list always looks like, and it's worked for me so far.

Personally, I would like to know what inclines Boromir to trust Firefoot and Gil so fully this early in the day while distrusting Cel over first post IC-ness.

[Durelin]

Durelin wandered in, the pouch at her hip rattling with bones. She kneeled on the floor and drew them out, tossing them onto the ground with a clatter.

"Beware the Ides of..." She stopped, peeked into her bone bag, and pulled out one lonely piece of scapula so it could join the rest of its compatriots. "February."

The wise-woman tilted her head up toward the rafters of the inn, as if perusing stars that were not there.

"Well, if anyone's still alive then to beware it."

Durelin paused, waiting for someone to comment. She received only bewildered, bemused, and just plain alarmed stares.

"If you want something more specific I'm going to have to bring in a dead animal." She turned to the innkeeper, Celuien. "Can I do that?"

[Boromir88]

Roa, pretty much feeling. I feel Firefoot's and Gil-galad's post are in earnest and genuine. Celuien's feels like a fake kindness...trying to appear nice, but it's all an act.

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh, and people about the wolves strength:

I would like to remind you that the wolves get TWO kills a night until one of them is killed. My guess is that's what the narration was referencing with one wolf being stringer than the other two: The stronger wolf can take down a kill on his own, while the weaker two have to work together. If the strong one is killed first, then the weaker two still have to work together, and if a "weaker one is killed, then the remaining weak one has to hunt with the stronger one because s/he can't do it alone. In actual gameplay, it doesn't matter which wolf is which.

So it's actually quite dire, and not hopeful at all, Celuien. Sorry to burst your bubble.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Boro. You're not a "feeling" guy- unless your style has drastically changed since I last played with you.

Besides, we all know that only Valier's feelings are trustworthy in this game. ;)

[Celuien]

The only dead animals I'll tolerate in here, Durelin, are the kind that're roasted up with some nice gravy. Anything not meant for cooking will stay out in the yard, if you please.
The hunter sounds like it might be more danger than help, with no certain knowledge to guide him/her.
Definitely.

I wonder if one wolf knows the identity of his/her two partners, and the other two are clueless?
That might be it. I'm thinking the one wolf might know both of the others while the other two only know the identity of the lead wolf. But I'm sure there are other possibilties.

[Celuien]

So it's actually quite dire, and not hopeful at all, Celuien. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Better that it is burst. I hadn't thought of that scenario, but it's a very important consideration. The one I'd dreamt up is in my cross post above. :rolleyes:

[Firefoot]

That might be it. I'm thinking the one wolf might know both of the others while the other two only know the identity of the lead wolf. But I'm sure there are other possibilties. This occurred to me, but I don't think it's correct. The lead wolf could very easily just tell the other two who each other were (or it would be incredibly easy to let it slip by accident). There wouldn't be any way to enforce that rule. (Granted, there aren't any ways to enforce several rules, such as pm'ing between villagers, but still.) Whatever it is, I don't think that this is what makes one wolf more powerful than the others.

[Rikae]

The stronger wolf can take down a kill on his own, while the weaker two have to work together. If the strong one is killed first, then the weaker two still have to work together, and if a "weaker one is killed, then the remaining weak one has to hunt with the stronger one because s/he can't do it alone. In actual gameplay, it doesn't matter which wolf is which.
That sounds like a plausible explanation. If that was the case, killing the lead wolf and one of the weaker ones would mean maybe the last wolf couldn't kill - now that's hopeful.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

That sounds like a plausible explanation. If that was the case, killing the lead wolf and one of the weaker ones would mean maybe the last wolf couldn't kill - now that's hopeful.hahaha I nominate Rikea for the titel: Queen of Wishfull Thinking

I know that the villagers is supposed to be able to fight back, but for the wolves to be this handicaped is. . . . well not likely, in my view.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Rikae
The hunter sounds like it might be more danger than help, with no certain knowledge to guide him/her.

Definitely.



Not if it's Nogrod's version of the hunter. Which, the mod being Nogrod, it most likely is.

[Roa_Aoife]

Just to get everyone back on track- We're over thinking this Strong wolf- weak wolves idea. I'm absolutely certain that it's there to explain why we have two kills instead of one with our usual three wolves, up until one dies. In actual play, it doesn't matter which is which. We'll have two kills a night as long as there are three wolves, and one kill a night with 1 or 2 wolves. Those are the rules stated at the top of the page. While it was a good thing to bring up, it's now just a distraction.

We need to catch a wolf quickly, or else our numbers will start shrinking drastically.

[mormegil]

While all this chat about things we don't know at all and are fairly incidental in the over all success of this village is great fun I really think we would do better to get back on topic and lynch, lynch LYNCH!

++Rune

[Roa_Aoife]

While I don't disagree that we need to get back on topic, any reason for picking Rune? Or was that just random?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I doubt there is any theory behind it. . . .Mormegil's ancestors have always had a liking for killing my kin.

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, I must be off- I've arrows to fletch. (see admin thread)

I have been keeping summarizing and analyzing every post except my own thus far, and I do have some leads, but I'm going to give them a few more hours, to either redeem themselves, or to further incriminate themselves, and I don't want to tip them off.

My suspicion list thus far:

Trusts: Me

Distrusts: Everyone else

[Celuien]

Well, I must say that I don't actually remember Nogrod's version of the hunter. I may have to find one of the lorebooks on suggested werewolf hunting methods. :o :rolleyes:

But not just now. Even an Innkeeper must rest now and then. I'll return in a few hours.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I shall join the rest and be idle for some hours, but only to return later.

For now I shall write Mormegil's vote for me off as a meer ploy to get the suspicions/votes flying, which could be for better or worse one never knows.

With the retractable vote he could always turn up and change his vote, but now I am just pointing out the obviouse. . . .better leave then.

[Boromir88]

Lot's of talking, I'd say this is good for us...all the more chance for wolves to get caught. I detest quiet villages. So Morm why are you trying to stop the talk?

EDIT: Cross-posted with Boro. You're not a "feeling" guy- unless your style has drastically changed since I last played with you.
True, but actually most of my Day 1 stuff is based upon feeling. If someone sounds reasonable I don't have a real reason to vote for them on Day 1. I try to eliminate as many possiblities on Day 1 as possible; and I'm not going to vote for someone who I find particularly helpful on Day 1.


About the hunter, if we happen to have a good hunter, that is a a decent judge and can get a bit luck he/she can be a great asset to the village. With that being said, the hunter can also greatly hurt the village if their choice is wrong. It's a risk I'm willing to take, I'd take hunter over no-hunter anyday.

[Boromir88]

Oh and another good thing about the hunter, if the wolves have a good clue who the hunter is, yet think the hunter is on to one of them, they will actually refrain from killing the hunter to save their own skin.

[Gil-Galad]

sorry to bring my dear boromir88 to the front... but he was the first one too launch the allegations onto celuien... that could be a devious ploy, for if the wolf starts it off, then there is a chance more will fly and totally ignore the first one of boromir, sorry put i must throw this lovely pie of lynching in your face, ta ta


++Boromir88

[Anguirel]

Gil-Galad is, I suppose, right to see Boro's attack on Celuien as perhaps the central oddity this day has so far produced.

It's plain weird. Who makes so much of in-character bonhomie? Not usually a wolf, I must say; I'm inclined to think both innkeeper and jester looking fairly innocent. If they were both wolves, I think they'd be too subtle to emphasise conflict at such an early stage.

This is going to be a game of real detective work, with Night and Day filled with tortuous deduction, but I think the three Rangers may well earn their swords - I've seen great things accomplished by a single Ranger before.

I agree that we should not dwell particularly on the results of the gallup. They're intriguing and flattering, but not that useful...

[Kath]

Well, I must say that I don't actually remember Nogrod's version of the hunter.
Agreed ... any ideas on where one might go to find out about that? Or is it time for trawling through lorebooks?

So we're supposed not to rely on past suspicions. Very well. Boro, Eomer and morm are all innocent! That probably goes for Lommy, Volo and Roa too. And Rune and Gil. 'Course since I've listed half the village there at least one is bound to be innocent. :rolleyes:

Does anyone have ideas on what exact use the questionnaire has? I know NoggieMod said he'd used it less than he first thought but I assume the people he pointed out in the narration had the most 'votes' within the questionnaires and he did say the narration held clues.

I have to go create some beautiful cloths (aka go to class), back before too long.

[Macalaure]

Reading what has been written so far, here are the ones I find suspicious:

1. Rune

Posts a lot, which is good, but says little, which is bad. Nogrod said he will hide hints towards the roles in the narration and won't try to lead the village astray, yet Rune said the part about the stronger wolf might just be a distraction. His answer to Firefoot irks me, too.

2. Celuien

The same. She's always nice, but she seems extra-nice toDay. Also, she spends a lot of time talking about the hunter, but little else.

Goodies so far: Firefoot, Rikae, Boromir88, Roa_Aoife.

Of course, this does not mean much right now.

Something else: I don't think discussing the stronger wolf or the one with the golden dagger will benefit us much. The hunter-or-whatever is on our side, and that is all we really need to know. Let the wolves try to figure him out alone. Like Roa said, for us, one wolf is as good as the other. There's no way we could distinguish one from the other anyway. Before they're dead, I mean.

Let's hunt some wolf, I say!

[Lalwendë]

Boro, I'm not quiet on purpose, I've been asleep! I do hope we're not going to get into the quiet/loud thing so early! Or are we doing it because we have nowt to go on? Hmmm...

However, Ang and Gil-galad are very clever to pick up on Boro's quite vocal early suspicions of Celuien. Now I just can't quite decide whether this means they are correct and have pinpointed Boro as a wolf trying strong diversionary tactics, or whether Boro is right and Celuien is indeed a Wolf. Or if in fact this is a clever triple bluff and Anguirel and Gil-galad are both Wolves!

Rune's advice is good. Trust nobody apart from yourself! But then I do get strong feelings in this game - as I noticed last time I played and maybe over-analysing is not the way to go and gut feeling is better; had I trusted mine last time I'd have got the Wolf.

Now I'm going to go and hit a few folk with my inflated pig's bladder and see if they squeal or...whimper like dogs...

[Thinlómien]

"I can tell you I'm innocent. It's all logical. Just see this.
1. Sheep fear wolves.
2. The sheep don't fear me.
3. Ergo, I'm not a wolf." Lommy turns to a little sheep. "Come here, Agnus, come to your mummy!" The lamb comes and Lommy strokes him. She starts singing: "Lommy had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb..."

"Who's the baddie then? Easy! We have a whole lot of pretenders here, I'm sure they're trying to hide something. Or what do you think of such unnatural beings as merry Anguirel, idiotic Lalwende and Mac who is always right? :p Such things do not exist! Thus, I'm rather confident, those are the wolves; who else would have a need to disguise his or her true nature?" ;)
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More seriously now. :D That stronger wolf... I agree with Rune that it's probably stronger than normal wolves, not that the two others are weaker than normal wolves. This is just pure speculation, but the first thing that comes to my mind is that maybe the strong wolf is such that s/he can't be killed by the possible hunter? (I take the golden dagger as a hint of hunterdom, like so many others here.) Or that s/he has one lynch-protection meaning if we try to lynch him/her s/he does not die, but if we lynch him/her again, s/he dies?

About Nogrod's hunter, I believe I can help you. I co-modded with Noggie some time ago, and we had a hunter that was called "the logical hunter". The logical hunter can change his/her pick whenever s/he will. If s/he's lynched s/he can take anyone with him/her, but if s/he is killed, s/he can only take a wolf with him/her ie. if s/he has chosen a wolf, it dies, but if s/he hasn't, no one dies. (That's why it's logical, I mean, if three wolf-shaped beasts are attacking you, do you run to your neighbour's house and kill your sleeping neighbour because you suspect him/her?) Nogrod was rather fond of this idea and I wouldn't be surprised if he used it again.

Now, I'm back to reread the village again and with more care so I can actually comment something and I won't be very much around today. (I'll post an explanation in the admin thread, since that's the preferable way.)

[Nogrod]

Just to clarify. Yes there will be hints and possibly even downright revelations in the narrations, but they will only concern the roles and how they work. There will be no hints to any one person having a specific role or not.

[Thinlómien]

I'm so glad to see Roa back in werewolf. I know I should not trust her, though I generally am inclined - believe or not - to do so, but she really seems pretty genuinely innocent this far. And Rune seems quite innocent too... Argh! That poll should never had been made. I mean, I listed Roa as one I tend to trust and Rune as one I tend to sympethise with - and look what I'm thinking right now! This village's truly driving me mad! :D

Maybe I should take Firefoot's advice then...My point is that everyone is going to come into the game with people they like to trust. As soon as you know who those people are, put them on your distrust list, too, because they're the people who are best going to be able to fool you.It seems reasonable enough, and Firefoot herself seems pretty innocent too... And she was not on my sympathise or trust list! Admitted she was on my want to be in the same side with -list... :eek:

Curse you Nogrod, and your polls, you truly make me feel uneasy...

I'm inclined to think the poll is going to be more a distraction than anything else. I agree. We did think of such an idea with Noggie when we modded together last summer, but didn't do it after all. Back then, our main point was to cause confusion (:p) and give more topics to discuss on Day1. Knowing Nogrod as well as I happen to know him I daresay that the later one probably is one of his reasons to do the whole poll, after all, he's always disliked Day1's.

I detest quiet villages. Me too. And after that horrendous last game of slip-under-the-radar -wolves I'd be pretty ready to lynch someone for the sake of not contributing and thus helping the village and such that might be a threat, because of no one knowing anything about him/her, later, unless I find some villager suspicious. But this far there has been no wolvish slips or too wolvish comments to go on... Except Kath seems a bit suspicious - her only post this far is just being nice and conversing pleasantly, in a way that makes me wary - but I always suspect her and I'm not right too often... And it's the stupid poll again! I said I tend to suspect her and see what I'm thinking about her...! I'm sure Noggie has made the poll just to drive us mad and make us watch our behaviour...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

There's a bit too much "Oh, so-and-so feels innocent!" for my liking. Suspicious. Boromir88, Macalaure and Thinlómien have all used this gambit so far, with nothing to go on.

As a Beekeeper, I am used to keeping to myself. No-one ever likes to visit me - what with the ubiquitous sickly scent of honey and the constant danger of stinging - and that's the way I like it. For this reason I appreciate the good sense of, though would not trust for even one second, Roa and Rune who preach of the traps of overconfidence.

The villager who speaks the most sense so far, however, is the good Mormegil, who urges a swift lynching. I agree totally. But who to choose? There are so many people here who cannot say they didn't have it coming.

(For those of you unfamiliar with beekeepers, they are notoriously cantankerous.)

[Roa_Aoife]

I have to vote now, or I likely won't be able to vote at all. It's a shame there's so little here, but....


This is what I've found, with my personal thoughts on each post thus far.

Rikae Day 1

1st post - Points out that Mac is also useful to the village despite being suspicious, doesn't know what an evil Lommy would look like, thoughts on rangers: can't kill that wolves, but whoever has the golden dagger can, wishes we had a seer, thinks the pole is just a distraction, points out that the most dangerous wolves are also extremely useful to the village

(Definite response to "bandwagon," either Firefoot or Gil-galad did a good job of narrowing the discussion from the start, not sure what kind of point she's making about good wolves also being good villagers, good thoughts about rangers and golden dagger)

2nd post - Agrees with Celuien's guess about 3 hunters and one ranger

(Still no definite suspicions, being very non-controversial, and adding little except to dispel suspicions on others)

3rd post - Thinks Roa makes sense, but also thinks Roa may be trying to slip under the radar by being uncontroversial, wonders why Rune doesn't trust Cel, feels something amiss with Rune

(For accusing me of being noncontroversial and sliding under the radar, this is the first bit of suspicion from her, and it's vague and nondecisive- she's very keen on spreading out suspicion)

4th post - Find's Roa's explanation plausible, more wolf theory

(Her first mention of this theory, and she doesn't have much to say, except to agree again)

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Boromir Day 1

1st post - Innocent: Firefoot, Gil; Guilty: Celuien (for politeness?)

(Quite a bold statement from the start, with little if anything to back it up)

2nd post - posits theory about only one wolf knowing the identity of the others

(I really don't see where he's going with this, so far his posts have been short and filled with very little substance)

3rd post - Says his trust in firefoot and Gil and his distrust of Cel is feeling -based

(This is not the Boromir I know, but I could be wrong)

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Gil-galad Day 1

1st post - Seems to join Firefoots suspicion of Mac and Lommy, points out that would make him seem suspicious, points out that he wouldn't post it knowing he would throw suspicion on himself, but then points out that declaring that would make it more suspicious, etc etc

(Random, seemingly pointless, almost meant to be skimmed over and ignored as a waste of time, suspicious and defensive against suspicion at the same time. Pfft, back off- the septuple bluff is my prowess. Also, never states if he is actually joining the Mac/Lommy bandwagon, but manages to draw negative attention to Firefoot as well with use of the term "bandwagon")

Obviously there have been more posts from these people since I left, but the pretty much show the same thing. Except for Gil-galad's sudden return and attack on Boromir. I may not trust Boromir, but it's not as though he's actively pursuing Celuien. I don't know if Gil's sudden snapping was warrented. So, early in the day:

++Gil-Galad

Though it was almost for Rikae. Hopefully I'll be alive tomorrow with more information.

[Thinlómien]

I have a problem. I'd like to vote some quiet or chatty (means "chatty" in the negative sense, ie nonsense poster) person to eliminate threats from further days and to let those who contribute stay for a while.

But, there is none. Gil maybe a bit, but he's been contributing more than usually and I wouldn't like to "punish" him for it, especially as he is not particularly suspicious.

Durelin's been only chatty too, but I wouldn't like to lose her this early, as she is usually quite helpful when innocent. (Means I wouldn't like to vote a good player I don't even suspect because of her first post as I have a reason to assume there will be more posts from her...)

Then there's a bunch of non-posters (and our possible slip-under-the-radar -wolves may very well hide among them), but I don't want to "condemn" anyone without hearing anything from them.

In any other game I would probably vote Kath (who is slightly suspicious IMO), but this situation being what it is I find it a not-so-pleasant choice. What if her general playing style is just something that makes me think her suspicious? Should I, because of that, overlook her slight suspiciousness and regard it as "normal"?

And I should vote soon...

EDIT: xed with Roa

[Lalwendë]

Now there's a thought. Eomer agrees with Morm that a swift lynching is the way to go. But please chaps, take care, for a swift lynching and swift decision making usually results in bandwaggoning and an innocent is then killed. Note, Eomer, what you say about the good sense of Rune and Roa in preaching against overconfidence. Unless of course, there is a sinister intention to being overconfident and wishing for a quick lynch......... :eek:

EDIT - Lommy, we've not heard from a lot of people yet, that's true, but they may have been getting their beauty sleep when the game began last night and I'm sure they'll be on soon! That's not something which is swaying my lines of thinking this time* as I fear it's a red herring rather than a wolverine. :smokin:

*like I'm an expert! It's only my second game!

[Thinlómien]

I'll go with

++DURELIN

She posted only in-character nonsense in a phase that she could have commented something reasonable. That is slightly wolvish. Also, I hope that this vote serves as a discourager of nonsense-posting...

I'm aware that wasn't a very reasonable vote, but I had to vote someone.

I'll be keeping my eyes on Kath anyway, and you others too: I'm totally clueless about the wolves' identities this far.

To my comfort I can say that all the wolves may be among those who haven't said anything yet, and thus it's just understandable that I don't have a clue about their identities.

Tomorrow, when there's been more posts and points in this village, I hope I can be more helpful and intelligent, for the village's sake.

I'm leaving now...

EDIT: xed with Lalwende

[Thinlómien]

Now there's a thought. Eomer agrees with Morm that a swift lynching is the way to go. But please chaps, take care, for a swift lynching and swift decision making usually results in bandwaggoning and an innocent is then killed. Note, Eomer, what you say about the good sense of Rune and Roa in preaching against overconfidence. Unless of course, there is a sinister intention to being overconfident and wishing for a quick lynch......... :eek:Lal, you have a good point. I'd be tempted to vote Eomer solely based on that - my own suspicions being as feeble as they are - but I refrain from it, because that might be meant in a different way (see below) and I would probably feel very bad about voting Eomer again on Day1, especially if he happens to be innocent.

I think morm's not for a quick lynching, rather he's trying to provoke reactions. Whether Eomer really agrees with him here (which makes Lal's point half-pointless) or he really supports quick lynchings, is up to the reader. I find it always too difficult to distinguish humour and serious opinions in ww...

EDIT: add - now I'm really going :D

[Firefoot]

I do have to vote early today, but after this I should be voting closer to the deadline.

The two main people to have really caught my eye Gil-Galad are Boromir.

Gil-Galad - His whole first post is basically centered around the idea that he's saying something that people might find suspicious. He seems very preoccupied with that idea.

Boromir - I think he was too soon to assert the innocence/guilt of some people. It seems almost set up.

I'd like to go look a little more, but I really have to go.

++Boromir

[Rikae]

I don't have much time at the moment, but I'll try to catch up and I'll be back before the deadline to check for any new developments.

Roa, is it such a terrible thing that I prefer not to jump in, in the early hours of day one, with baseless accusations? It's always been my feeling that it's a good idea to spread suspicion around a little on day one, just to see how people react. As for good wolves also being good villagers, that should be obvious; a strong player is usually a strong player across the board. I was just saying I don't think we should lynch the ones we started the game fearing until they have given us some posts to analyse.

The Cel-Boro-Gil-Ang dynamic is a bit confusing. I originally interpreted Boro's suspicions of Cel as not really being serious, and thought Gil's vote was an honest misunderstanding or somewhat random. The fact that Ang jumped on board, though, is unsettling. I wouldn't expect him to do this, unless he's looking for lynch-bait.

I don't find Boro or Cel particularly suspicious; at this point I'm most uneasy about Ang, Rune and Roa. However, there are several people who haven't said much (or said nothing at all) yet, so I might be focussing too much on the early posters. I'll vote now in case I can't make it back before the end of the day, but I'll try to check in before voting closes.

++Anguirel

[Lalwendë]

Lommy's point that Eomer may be trying to go for some humour is a good one and I am inclined to agree with it. So it's time to revise some of my views.

I don't agree with Firefoot that Boro set something up early. I think he was merely posting early on as he was up and not in his bed getting his beauty sleep; note he is not posting now as he will probably be busy brushing his teeth and getting ready for work. So I'm inclined not to go with this theory of Boro's guilt.

Which brings me back to Anguirel and Gil-galad and the 'triple bluff theory' I brought up earlier today. It was Anguirel who latched on to this after Gil-galad brought it up; of course this could be Ang double-bluffing, but if he really was an innocent taken along by Gil-galad's triple logic then this would further bolster that approach. I'll bet Gil-galad's quite pleased about that if he is guilty. So he is currently my Number One suspect.

[Celuien]

If there's anything I hate, it's day 1. :rolleyes:

I think Boro was just trying to stir things up earlier, which doesn't really make me suspect him. Gil's vote for him, though, is also unsuspicious to me, since his reasoning is probably as good as anything that can be expected early on. And I agree with this from Lommy:

I have a problem. I'd like to vote some quiet or chatty (means "chatty" in the negative sense, ie nonsense poster) person to eliminate threats from further days and to let those who contribute stay for a while.

But, there is none. Gil maybe a bit, but he's been contributing more than usually and I wouldn't like to "punish" him for it, especially as he is not particularly suspicious.

But no one is making me feel especially uneasy just now, so I'll hold back on voting for the moment.

[Anguirel]

Wow. I've attracted 1 vote per post so far...wonder if I can keep it up...

Roa, just out of interest, why did you narrow down your voting list to Boro, Gil and Rikae? Because they've posted more than most?

I'm going to have to resist my habitual urge to humble the loud and the proud, as it caused some disastrous consequences recently. I may even have to give up my passion for duelling in Werewolf. So sad.

Celuien m'dear, don't be defeatist; I've often seen Day 1s bag villains by hook, crook or sheer blind chance. With retractable votes I hope this village will be able to react more quickly to trends. I suggest that everyone does their best to be present near the deadline with at least one vote in their quiver.

Lal suggests I was "taken along by Gil's triple-bluff logic". I don't think this was the case, though I know she meant it more or less in my defence. I was simply commenting on an undoubtedly interesting situation, and didn't make much of it, I must admit.

I see a general mood against Boro in the air; Rikae feels his behaviour is out of its norm. I don't see that that's the case. Forthright, trenchant, slightly abrasive, it all seems to be there.

I agree with Macalaure that discussing the poll, the swords, the Eagles or whatever won't yet help that much. Some people know what it means; at this early stage, I suppose they should be left to get on with it, though pooling resources might help later.

[Kath]

On Gil, I'm not sure that his first post wasn't just a normal Day 1 post. Throwing an idea out without any substance just to get people talking. It could be some sort of bluff but I'm so pleased to see him getting involved I really don't want to lynch him. Waiting for evidence seems a good idea methinks.

I'm also feeling pretty good about Lommy at the moment. For all her lack of net access we've seen plenty of posts from her and that's generally a good sign.

Roa has gone straight for analysis, which seems almost an odd thing to do Day 1 but then this Day itself seems odd for a Day 1. The in-character banter barely existed with almost everyone going straight to talking about the narration and what it might reveal. In any case, I recall Roa's ancestors being very fact based people so this is most likely normal behaviour. Though of course that would protect her nicely from suspicion, I still think she's clear at the moment.

Lal seems a little defensive about the whole quiet thing. Not entirely sure what to make of that. She jumped on Lommy a bit for saying she wanted to look out for the quiet ones as well as replying to Boro on the same lines. Might keep an eye on her. Her relative newbieness as well as having seen the arguments over the loud/quiet thing last game might explain the worry but I think it's still worth looking out for.

What does feel off was Boro's question to morm about him wanting to stop the talk. I thought morm was just being his bloodthirsty Day 1 self and found it strange that anyone would take it too seriously. Besides Mac and ... ugh, someone else, I'll look later, have also suggested stopping talking about the narration.

I have to go again (damn lectures!) so I'm going to vote as I may not actually be back again toDay. Hopefully I will as I'd certainly like a lot more evidence that that which I've just stuck together up there to base a vote on.

++ BORO

[Lalwendë]

Kath, I was just urging not reading too much into the loud/quiet issue as time differences must be taken into account.

However...I note that four of us have yet to comment: Naria, Volo, Farael and Mithalwen.

Flying under the radar? Unavoidably detained elsewhere? I certainly never remembered Farael as being naturally quiet last (first) time I played...

So, three votes for Boro so far? He emerges as a front runner it seems. I, however, have yet to be convinced of his guilt as I think he was simply a victim of time zones. And Gil-galad was the instigator of this campaign. If we take the hypothetical situation that Boro is innocent then Gil, Firefoot and Kath could be involved in a cabal against him? Or have one or more of these three been taken for a ride? Is Boro really innocent? Is Gil a wolverine mastermind?

[Macalaure]

That's many votes for so early a day.

mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)

I'm not fond of this sight of an early Boro-waggon. His style is somewhat different (which is perfectly okay), but his tone isn't. Bad argument, but I think an evil Boro would act different. Don't give him your vote so lightly!

Gil is Gil, as far as I'm concerned. Durelin has only posted once. I have a good feeling concerning Ang, but that doesn't mean much since it's Ang we're talking about.

I'm not convinced enough yet to start a campaign, but Rune remains my top suspect.

[Boromir88]

Interesting, Ang is usually the one for my head on Day 1, now it's all different...

I guess since I don't post in character comments and I actually want to find people I'm going to vote for that makes me a wolf. Oh boy this is truly golden...er priceless.

Lal
Boro, I'm not quiet on purpose, I've been asleep! I do hope we're not going to get into the quiet/loud thing so early! Or are we doing it because we have nowt to go on? Hmmm...
This I find strange...I just said I detest quietness. I wasn't saying anyone here was quiet, on the contrary today has been filled with chatter. I fully understand you run on a different clock. I'm surprised you took that as an attack by me.

Kath
What does feel off was Boro's question to morm about him wanting to stop the talk.
I took morm's post as saying stop all the talk about the hunter and the 'strong' wolf. Which I personally think the more talk the better.
I thought morm was just being his bloodthirsty Day 1 self and found it strange that anyone would take it too seriously.
Everything that's said I take seriously.

Edit: x-posted with Lal and Mac

[Volo]

Oh, shut up!

And how nice of you, dear Nogrod, to make me a cryptic lense grinder. Haha

Lommy is the ranger by the way, I saw her and Nogrod talking about WW. :p
Umm... in my dream.


But back to work. What do we have here? Chaos.

My own theories about the strange characters:

The "big" wolf has some extra ability that might or might not make the wolf weaker than the others. It might be something like the ability of the Hunter.

The "swordman" can probably be a Hunter.

The "wielder of the subtle dagger" might be an assasin of some kind. Something like "kills anybody at any time once in the game, might or might not die in doing so".

Rangers getting to know each other and gaining the right to chat:
I think that by protecting the same person the rangers will get to know each other and by successfully protecting the same person they will get the right to chat.


Back to the game: Feeling lazy today, I'll probably do a mormegil and vote for a random person, probably Durelin as I have a grudge against Durelin's family in my blood.

[Anguirel]

I tend to shy away from what most people are doing, especially early on when there's less to go on. So I'm avoiding the widespread suspicion of Boro.

But there is more to it.

I'm really enjoying the fact that, in fact, while he claims to avoid in-character posting every one of Boro's posts is in character, because they're all so serious...this is such an amusing paradox that I am unlikely to vote Boro for a while, without proper evidence anyway.

[Volo]

By the way!? Why is Boromir88 going to die on Day1?

It's madness!

Better vote me on Day1, I bet Boromir88 is potentially more useful.
It's sad that he can't be left for the Seer...


Xd with Ang

[Celuien]

++ Naria

Mostly to try to stir up the quiet part of the village, and because I really don't like the idea of voting for anyone in the current field of vote receivers.

I'll try to return near the deadline for reevaluation, but I can't guarantee that I'll be able to.

[Anguirel]

Okay. I didn't really suspect anyone until the arrival of Volo.

Volo's behaviour ticks practically every wolf signal I know, and I will explain why. However, I'm still not sold on voting for him. Would it be a futile attempt to correct the errors of my last village? Am I just pursuing a feud? Nevertheless, he is suspicious because:

He's boldly explicit about his views on the special roles; a tactic which might look too risky for a wolf, though it isn't actually that dangerous.

He says he'll vote for a "random person, probably Durelin". A glaring contradiction, no? He's given up on theorising and started pursuing a grudge victim. The problem is, if I voted for him I might be guilty of the same crime. He cites morm as a precedent to authenticate his current course. This is what a wolf might very well do.

His shocked reaction to Boro's plight looks overdone. He also repeats his old saw about certain players being "left to the Seer" - which he last said as a Werewolf. There's no Seer now, Volo, so that comment is, at best, irrelevant and distracting.

Oh, and the "better vote me". Standard martyring.

It all fits. Perhaps a little too much so. It might still be good intentions mixed with uncertainty and a vague yen for revenge.

[Volo]

:rolleyes:

I wanted to vote Durelin for a completely useless post, a grudge and to help Boromir, but now having read Boromir's posts better I see he's pretty suspicious.

He has been moderately nice, which is strange and there is something that makes me suspect him badly.

Anguirel's last post feels hairy. He is too calm and even if he doesn't vote Boromir, Boromir's half dead already.


Don't forget the fourth evil character! What could it be?
And are all the three Rangers alike?


EDIT: X:d with Ang, so "Anguirel's last post feels hairy." is the post #63.

[Mithalwen]

Well you have given me a lot to read .... and already I gather you want to kill Boro .... well I haven't read more than a couple of posts yet but my ancestors lived in villages with his ancestors and lynching him day one turned out to be a bad move... of course maybe third time pays for all but lets not be hasty...

I will go and catch up....... And we have a Seer? I thought the hints were Shirriffsa and Hunter .. but ... *stops* might be a good idea to read before I talk... :rolleyes: (not that that stops me usually)

[Boromir88]

What's really strange is that I find all 3 who voted for me to be actually innocent, or I can't see any good reason to vote for one of them.

While those now defending me...Rikae, Celuien, Mac, Lal, Ang, and Volo (at least I take all their posts about me as a defense) to be a pretty large list, so large it's wolvish.

Of that list, I'm right now inclined to believe Rikae and Ang as innocent.

Rikae, believe me when I say this or not, doesn't matter...but most of my Day 1 stuff is based off of feeling, just like everyone else's. I don't have some secret formula put together to deduce who the wolves are.

It's a little odd Ang is now defending me, after all these times of wanting to kill me. But that's no reason for me to vote for him, even on Day 1.

Mac I'm unsure about, he did say a very wise thing that we should all take into consideration:
Don't give him your vote so lightly!
And don't give anyone you vote so lightly! For today, Mac most likely won't be getting my vote.

Lal, Volo, and Celuien are the one's who kind of strike me as being suspicious of those who have defended.
Volo because of this:
Better vote me on Day1, I bet Boromir88 is potentially more useful.
It's sad that he can't be left for the Seer..
I aint no saint...see me last village? I was completely and utterly destroyed. I'm not too fond of the last statement about the Seer either. A seer would be nice, but I actually kind of like it...we have plenty of weapons at our disposle to help us fight off the wolves (at night), but mind you what mac said...watch who the heck you vote for! You have these weapons don't waste them.

Anyway, though we have these weapons, it's up to us to actually find the wolves, there's no more relying one the Seer to do our work for us. We have weapons, let's be cautious...but we have to do our own work now.

Lal's response which I remarked before doesn't strike me the right way, but other than that she comes off as helpful and logical. Another odd thing is this:
However...I note that four of us have yet to comment: Naria, Volo, Farael and Mithalwen.
I don't know about Naria or Farael, but you should well know Mith is in your same timeframe. I don't like that comment. Don't think I can vote for her, but don't take that as I'm going to ignore you Miss Lal.

Celuien, I just got a bad feeling about, ok so stone me.

Edit x-posted with Ang, Volo, and Mith

[Volo]

Okay. I didn't really suspect anyone until the arrival of Volo.
How very nice of you, isn't this like a grudge?

He's boldly explicit about his views on the special roles; a tactic which might look too risky for a wolf, though it isn't actually that dangerous.
Well, what's so strange here. The special roles have been a topic for a longer period, I'm not the first to boldly point out their presence.

He says he'll vote for a "random person, probably Durelin". A glaring contradiction, no? He's given up on theorising and started pursuing a grudge victim. The problem is, if I voted for him I might be guilty of the same crime. He cites morm as a precedent to authenticate his current course. This is what a wolf might very well do.
Haha, yes. As I hadn't analysed Durelin when I read that, I didn't have a reason to vote her, except for her being a Seer in the last game, so it would have been random.

His shocked reaction to Boro's plight looks overdone. He also repeats his old saw about certain players being "left to the Seer" - which he last said as a Werewolf. There's no Seer now, Volo, so that comment is, at best, irrelevant and distracting.
I said that Boromir can not be left to the Seer.

Oh, and the "better vote me". Standard martyring.
Yup, I'm the wolf, lynch me!

This "defence" is because it didn't take long to write it and Anguirel got things simply wrong.


X:d with Boromir

[Farael]

Alright, I have to say that, after several WW games, I have tried every playing style I could think of.

At first I was a suicide, like our very own Nilp.

Then I went with my gut feeling.

Then I tried using cold logic.

The only one that worked was my gut feeling... and this time, I've got a feeling for someone.

Now, I'm aware this will probably make me very unpopular, but there is something about Loomy that just doesn't sit right. Her little banter about the sheep, for example, was utter nonsense when the village had moved on from nonsensical posts already. That's always a red flag on my mind, if you don't make it by the start of the day when everyone is playing around, you don't usually post nonsense when there are actually things to comment on.

Then she spends some time bantering about the secret roles... I say, we have no way of knowing what those roles are for sure... and any guess is as good as any other right now... so what's the point of going in circles sayin g"oh, I think the roles are such and such" "oh, I agree" "no, I disagree" "well, I disagree with both of you"

To me this is screaming "HERE IS A WOLF TRYING TO SOUND HELPFUL WHILE ADDING VERY LITTLE!!"

She does clarify what Nogrod's hunter is like. Thanks.

We move on to her next post.

She agrees with Firefoot's comment on "do not trust anyone". That's clearly a wolfish ploy. While I don't propose "trust just about everyone", at some point you need to draw a line. Do your best to make your own theories and find your own suspects, but if we start suspecting "This person may be a wolf because I trust them too much" then we are done for. Odds are, if someone is making A LOT of sense, and there is no evidence at all that they are a wolf.... they will be innocent.

So again, another post that is not really helping the village.

She then talks about how the questionnaire is probably there to confuse us. True, but that still doesn't help us find a wolf.

Moving right along....

She makes a weak case on Durelin... not enough to vote for her, right? well, if we see the next post, wrong... she does vote for her, even though it doesn't even sound as if she was her prime suspect.

Then we go to the actual voting post, where as mentioned before, she votes for Durelin. She then sounds rather apoglectic, which is always a bad sign for me. If you believe someone is guilty (or guilty-er than the rest) then you should vote for them and pray for the best... if you think someone is innocent, then for crying out loud, don't vote for them!!!! No, no, there is something definitely wrong with Loomy

Her last post is a clear example on "how to say nothing in a lot of words".

First she picks on a comment made by Lalwende somewhat against Morm and Eomer defends Morm right away. That's alright. Then she mentions Eomer and basically says "he might be doing something... or he might be doing the opposite".

Now, given that there are two realistic choices on what Eomer meant (either he trully agreed with Morm's statement or he agreed with his intention of getting some accusations rolling) she's basically saying nothing what so ever about Eomer.

Again, she's writing, seemingly contributing... but She is saying little or nothing that adds to the discussion.

Add on top of that a weakly reasoned vote that somewhat contradicts what she's said before (although it's hard to tell what she's said before since she says very little and what she does say she tries to downplay it ) and you've got yourself a wolfish looking Loomy

Therefore, I must say...

++Loomy.


on another note, I might not be able to come back before the end of the day... I have a busy day today with some studying to do and an interview. I THINK (key word, think) I'll be able to come back once or twice, but I can't make any promises.

Edit: X-ed with everything after Celuien's vote

[Mithalwen]

Volo can you be more specific about what in your 20 minutes between posts you found that changed Boro from being a mad target to suspicious. I have been on line 20 minutes now and have only seen a bit of day one stirring. And that IS like Boro....

Is this sincere conversion or are you just moving with the tide - something I find quite wolvish - after all any dead innocent is good for the wolves. And as Roa points out there isn't much scope for getting it wrong. So far I feel Boro is an ordo ... he is one of those players who does very well when he has the challenge of a special role but raises suspicions as an innocent ...

I have to go soon but will return after a short break until I hope up to the deadline. I know the timing is in the European's favour this time for being to wait before voting but please really think about this and don't bandwaggon if you are pushed for time. If nothing else a spread of votes gives us more ot look at in latter days....

[Volo]

Now, I'm aware this will probably make me very unpopular, but there is something about Loomy that just doesn't sit right. Her little banter about the sheep, for example, was utter nonsense when the village had moved on from nonsensical posts already. That's always a red flag on my mind, if you don't make it by the start of the day when everyone is playing around, you don't usually post nonsense when there are actually things to comment on.
The beggining of the first post is probably made up many hours before Lommy got herself in front of a computer. So it should be ignored the same way as any other first post in-character talk that doesn't mention anybody else.

Not that I'm defending Lommy, it is true that she hasn't contributed too much, but has anybody? She just doesn't feel as suspicious as many others.

Actually I would call Farael's post as "much talk about small news". The only thing that makes Farael seem innocent is the extreme boldness for which he will surely be suspected if Lommy is proven innocent.


EDIT: X:d with Mith

[Volo]

Mith, I tend to see why people suspect Boromir. A gut feeling.

To say the truth, I'm extremely confused and would have already voted and gone away if I had a single person to suspect more than a little.

Now don't ask anymore questions, vote me better, just leave me alone while I think.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Why did you have to do that Mac? I have really tried not to be overly suspiciouse of you today. . .a thing I have a slight tendency of doing.

You go straight ahead and acuse me of posting a lot with out saying much, which is of course right. But I would hardly call it a just accusation, it was the start of the game, what was I supposed to write a long post about? I find it very weird that you chose to single me and Cel out, only Roa had posted anything of length at the time. . . I did post more than the others, but that was simply because I posted before thinking things through.

I guess now I will have to hear talks about me being over defencive, but if you have followed my recent history you will know that I have major issues with these kind of accusations and find them to be with very little merit.

Edit: Cross posted with Volo and Mith

[Farael]

The beggining of the first post is probably made up many hours before Lommy got herself in front of a computer. So it should be ignored the same way as any other first post in-character talk that doesn't mention anybody else.

Volo you are not helping your case here... maybe you know Loomy better than me, but why would the first part of the post be written before the game starts? I usually wait until I've read what has been said before making my first post... specially if I'm not around for the beginning of the day!!

no, this is all wrong... after we lynch Loomy we should go after you!

[Volo]

Not writen... Made up in her head.
I myself usually write a short in-character thing in the beggining of my first post, because I find it funny.
All I'm trying to say is that it's a terrible reason to lynch somebody.

Well, I'm leaving now, for a few hours at least.

++Durelin

, for no reason at all.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am very suprised about how sure you are that you have spottet two wolves already, Farael. . . Althought I can see how Volo is acting a bit strange, I do not see either of them to be very much more suspicouse than the rest of the people here. I guess you will write it down to your gut feeling.

I am not going to object to that kind of reasoning, after all I use it my self often. I still think it is odd how you are so sure. . .

[Farael]

Not writen... Made up in her head.
I myself usually write a short in-character thing in the beggining of my first post, because I find it funny.
All I'm trying to say is that it's a terrible reason to lynch somebody.
Ok, then what about the OTHER reasons I mentioned? this is a really half-hearted defense... is she your wolf partner perhaps?


I am not going to object to that kind of reasoning, after all I use it my self often. I still think it is odd how you are so sure. . .
You don't know me so well, do you? :D

[Lalwendë]

Lal's response which I remarked before doesn't strike me the right way, but other than that she comes off as helpful and logical. Another odd thing is this:
Quote:
However...I note that four of us have yet to comment: Naria, Volo, Farael and Mithalwen.

I don't know about Naria or Farael, but you should well know Mith is in your same timeframe. I don't like that comment. Don't think I can vote for her, but don't take that as I'm going to ignore you Miss Lal.

I was just responding to your early comment about 'detesting quiet villages' - which is a fair enough thing to say, but very strongly worded, and I simply thought it a little too early to be bringing up this loud/quiet thing. Now I know Mithalwen is also in my time zone, but I thought it a little odd that she had not commented so far as it was well into lunch time...however, I have absolutely no suspicions of Mithalwen right now and I am quite prepared that she may have been in a meeting.

Mithalwen is on my innocent list right now, as is Rune, who was quite endearingly eager last night to get into the game and who wisely pointed out the "trust nobody" line. Ang was gentlemanly without being florid so I place him here right now, and I may also place Eomer here at the moment as I'm prepared to accept him acting out of humour.

However I'm still wondering about this whole Gil-galad/Boro thing. Is it in fact one huge red herring set up by them? More analysis needed but like I say, I will trust my excellent gut feelings this time...

[Macalaure]

It starts with Volo. He's weird (and probably possessed by Nilp). Still, my gut feeling says he's innocently weird. The whole banter between Ang and Volo is one hoard of weirdness. To me it looks like two innocents slugging it out until one is no more.
Celuien's vote is very weird. Stir up the quiet part of the village? Naria's probably not silent because she chooses to. What's to stir with her? Weird.
Now, Farael. We-eird! I don't like his case against Lommy, which doesn't mean I trust her (I don't: she's weird). Maybe Farael is just his common weird self ( ;) ), but I'm not sure.
Rune's reaction to my suspicion is weird as well. With one hand you offer friendship, with the other you threaten to go after me? By the way, I don't suspect you because you said little - you can't make many points so early - but because you really seemed to avoid being controversial, just like Celuien.

Oh, before I forget, there was one thing not weird: The points raised about Lal. I can see where they're coming from. To add one (about Rune's innocence): as is Rune, who was quite endearingly eager last night to get into the game and who wisely pointed out the "trust nobody" line.Um, I don't mean to belittle that wisdom, but isn't that more or less common sense? Why do you point it out like that?

Weird.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

You don't know me so well, do you? :DProbably not. . .I have seen you be very confident before, but seing it repeated does not make me understand it.

The same could be said about Gil's obcesion to confuse. . .

Anyways I have to leave very soon so I shall cast my vote now. . .and It will have to be for Mac. He just pushed my buttons and I do not have any good theories yet.

++Macalaure

Edit: Cross posted with Mac

[Macalaure]

So much for the offering friendship theory of mine. :D

I'm moving Rune down on my suspicion list.

[Anguirel]

I don't actually think much weirdness is going on; rather a predictable soup of pettiness, defensiveness, and straw-grasping!

I still think Volo a mass of contradictions: a fellow who can, in the same post, posit the idea of voting for Boro and accuse me of defending him a lukewarm fashion is a pretty odd fish. Or wolf.

I think Farael and I differ on one important point. He is willing to jump on Lommy for posting "nonsense"; ironically she tends to be critical of "nonsense" herself, and has in turn voted for Durelin because of it. I really disagree with the concept of "nonsense". Maybe I'm being too merry, but isn't so-called nonsense pretty near to having fun? Which is what I'm in this lark for...

Something of a split is developing between those who believe in "trusting nobody" and those who believe in trusting where possible, led especially vocally by Farael. He claims that if someone has talked and acted manifestly sensibly, the odds are that they're friendly. Be careful. It was relying on "odds" like that that recently got me hammered by Nilp. I am for constant vigilance myself, I'm afraid.

I hope, though, that Mith isn't a wolf. She seems like a breath of fresh air and it would terribly annoying to have to help lynch her...

For now, I shall put my scruples about grudgebearing aside and vote

++VOLO

[Lalwendë]

Mac, I think Rune, along with Boro, Firefoot, Celuien and Gil-galad was just one of the early starters and so naturally fell into being suspected. I don't think that's fair - the only one of the early adopters I have a hunch about is Gil-galad. The rest, well, they 'look foul but feel fair' right now. No insult to your fizzogs intended by the way. ;)

[Boromir88]

Lal
However I'm still wondering about this whole Gil-galad/Boro thing. Is it in fact one huge red herring set up by them? More analysis needed but like I say, I will trust my excellent gut feelings this time...
I wouldn't do this as a wolf. Accept it or don't, that's up to you, I can just tell you I am one of the easiest people to predict (just ask the phantom who knows my style so well I'm scared to be in a village with him). If I have something to hide (either wolf or a gifted) I'm more cautious and try not to attract suspicion. When I'm an ordinary I come out firing and it often gets me into trouble, but at least we get some action going that may be of great help in the days to come...even if it does end up getting my lynched early.

[Lalwendë]

Boro.... ;) I understand where you're coming from. This is much better than the old "he says too much!" or "She is too quiet!" or even the "Why has he started early?" thing. I might be quite new to this lark but I'm not wholly green and I saw that happen in my first game and I've seen it here. I happen to think you are innocent (at least for now, you know how things can change in a suspicious village!) - if you were guilty then it would mean Anguirel and Gil-galad had been in cahoots to drag you into the sights of everyone and from what Anguirel says, I think he could be innocent right now; I certainly don't have enough evidence to convict him at present and happen to think he was going along with early hunches.

Votes so far:
mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 2, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)

That's a wide spread. But there are trends I don't agree with.

I am now at the point of considering if my gut feelings are correct. I hate deciding things, I'm such a Libran. :(

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I am back .... I am a bit worried by the number of votes and having skimmed through I am not reassured at all by Volo .... sorry old chum but being asked questions is part of the deal .... however I really want to have a good look at what has been said. See if Boromir really does look sus or if he is being stitched up. Whether my instincts have foundation....

And as for my online times Lal ..I'll post on the village notice board...

[Farael]

I think that those who have mentioned the wide spread of votes are right... so I'm going to narrow it down a little bit

--Loomy

and yet, she's still my prime suspect... I just don't see any chance of getting her lynched, other than proving that..

++Volo who has been defending her is a wolf.

If I'm wrong about him, I might feel a bit better about Loomy but I still think there's something fishy about her.

[Volo]

But three of you have been armed with swords that make those beasts back away. And one of you possesses a golden dagger.
Note that one of the hidden roles isn't mentioned in all of the talk!

“This is a sword of the order of Thorondor. Even a Gaur will be afraid of it and pull back when seeing one. And a Gaur indeed has infected your village. It will now be your task to defend those of you who are innocent during the nights. Good luck to you villager and pick the ones you defend wisely!” That was the message the Eagles told the frightful villagers who hid inside their homes and waited for the worst. After leaving the swords in front of the doors the Eagles pulled up again, now already looking at the scent of the Gaur.
It doesn't tell the quantity of the swords, and is clearly says "protect", so we should assume that those are the Rangers. Probably no more than three.

There are three werewolves to kill the villagers.
There are three rangers to defend the villagers.
There are three others with some specialities (which will be hinted at / revealed in the narrations).
Three others! And so far we know only about the "Golden Dagger", I bet the Golden Dagger is made for killing wolves, probably not like a Hunter.

- Of those three undisclosed ones two would basically be on the side of the villagers and one on the side of the wolves. They could all benefit the cause they are fighting for but they could also harm their cause. The one being on the wolves' side would not be counted as a wolf but as a villager in the last Days tally, but would win along with the wolves if they win.
It can well be possible that there is a Hunter, a Soldier/Assassin (a person that may kill straight away, the Golden Dagger) and a Cobbler.
So far I see hints about only the Golden Dagger, the hints don't tell the role.

- As long as there are three wolves they will have two kills / Night. As soon as one of them gets killed they will only have one kill / Night.
This would talk for the theory about an Alpha Wolf and two normal/weaker wolves (as the storywolf bit them only quickly). I think that the Alpha Wolf doesn't know the other wolves and the other way round.
The Alpha Wolf probably has some special ability.

- The rangers will start not knowing the identities of each other. But due to certain circumstances they might learn each others identities and with good luck they might even earn the right to PM during the Days! (the last one would require some especially good luck or real cunning "teamplay" and daring by them)
I still think that the certain circumstances are the Rangers protecting the same person and when successfully they will get the right of PM.

I am doing this mostly for my own fun, as WW is just a game to enjoy.

[Anguirel]

This absurdly wide spread of votes, which I have helped contribute to, I fear, need not be completely disastrous providing people show flexibility and a willingness to retract. If my Volo case does not receive credible support, I'll probably plonk my vote where it's of more use.

Gil-Galad and Firefoot, your votes seem rather in the nature of a stab in the dark. If you only meant them half-heartedly, it would be a shame to see Boro done to death on their account. If you're still here, do have a careful think.

Of the candidates so far, Volo aside, I probably suspect Macalaure the most - he does seem to have been toying with Rune a bit, in a manner which reminds me of my own methods of wolf conciliation.

[Volo]

Is mormegil always like this on Day1?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Lalwendë, you misunderstand me. I was not going for humour. I am honestly eager to see someone from this village taken down a peg. That'll put things in perspective for you; it'll do you good. It's true that some of my forefathers have been jolly types and this is probably what's confusing you. I am extremely cold-hearted and mean.

Blatantly copying Anguirel here but I don't care if it looks suspicious. (Anyway, I would have pointed it out had I been here at the time.) Volo certainly appears to be the cocky wolf. He comes swaggering in, making grand judgments, and appears very confrontational when questioned. He points out Farael's boldness in his case against Thinlómien, which strikes me as funny because Volo's whole demeanour is bold and strutting. Better lynch him soon.

Farael's case against Thinlómien had me nodding my head. Of course, I always suspect Lommy (and she me). My acceptance and agreement with Mormegil's bloodlust is not suspicious: just indicative of the fact that we are both horrible people.

And the whole idea of a Gil-Galad, Boromir88, Anguirel, whoever open collusion is severe over-thinking. I wouldn't even think about Day One tricks and super-conspiracies until we near the end and have stuff to look back on. If they can help it, they won't even be mentioning each other by name.

[Anguirel]

Quiet and bloodthirsty? Well, yes, if not to quite this extent, I suppose...

[Volo]

He points out Farael's boldness in his case against Thinlómien, which strikes me as funny because Volo's whole demeanour is bold and strutting. Better lynch him soon.
I'm just as straight forward as always, as wolf and man. The whole point is to look the same when wolf and man, because it would be plain stupid if there was a sign by which you could see my innocence.

But yes, grudges...

So far Firefoot seems completely reasonable and calm, of course anything can mean anything in this game and I think that the end result is pretty often plain random.
No sense in lynching her toDay.

[Lalwendë]

Even given the stern words from Eomer and Mithalwen there will be no more umming and ahhing from me. I think I've weighed the evidence so far and if I analyse it even more I shall convince myself away from my first choice and I learned the error of my ways in that first game not so long ago. So...

++Gil-galad

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ha! I just had another look through and the person I pinpointed was Firefoot. :D

Her vote seems a bit...I don't know. It seems quite reasonable but also easy. Especially voting that early. Gil-Galad because he talks about himself being suspicious, even though he was only (to my mind) playing the Confused Philosopher role.

And voting for Boromir88 because of his guessing in the innocence of some and not of others. I'm not sure. It seems a bit convenient to me. And I think an innocent might have added another qualifier, such as "Of course, I'm really not sure."

She seems too reasonable and it's getting to your heads. I think we should lynch her.

[Boromir88]

I might vote for Volo simply for being counter-constructive. I think we're past all the early talk about the rangers and the golden dagger, it's time to get down to business.

Anguirel
I probably suspect Macalaure the most - he does seem to have been toying with Rune a bit
Hmm...I was actually thinking the exact opposite. I think Rune is out of sync so to say. I know he doesn't post as much as a lot on here, but his posts I always get a sense that he is trying to help out, trying to contribute. Today, I'm just not getting that...
I guess now I will have to hear talks about me being over defencive, but if you have followed my recent history you will know that I have major issues with these kind of accusations and find them to be with very little merit.
I don't think it's over-defensive, I just think it looks like you are trying to convince people that's the answer. If the 'accusations' have so little merit, according to you, why get bothered by it?

I also really have no clue what the big hub about Farael is. And those who are trying to throw suspicion at Farael look might suspicious themselves. Why would a wolf make a post like that? I had a lot of suspicion around me, I had almost the entire village talking about me, so why would a wolf wish to spread things around and get the village considering others? The bigger the crowd the safer the wolf, Farael's post I took as trying to get us to look at people who haven't been talked about much. I don't think Lommy is suspicious, but Farael by trying to get the village to look at other people that have gone unmentioned definitely looks like an innocent. And those that I think are trying to make too much out of that post, to get suspicion on Farael, look far more suspicious than Farael's post!

Edit: Humorgous x-posting

[Volo]

Gil-Galad, only one post to take into account. He does exactly what he suspects Boromir is doing (nearly, Gil does have a better reason to do so). A bad reason still, but... dunno. Anything.
Actually I bet that he isn't an ordo, whatever he is.
And may the shift-button be with you, man... :rolleyes:


X:d with everything since my last post.

[Anguirel]

That's rather convincing, actually, Eomer...I wonder what the waif herself will say to it.

What do you think of Macalaure, out of interest? Anything in particular?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

For my whole life I have suspected Macalaure. He must be very exasperated with me by now. ;)

But to answer your question, I would quite like to see him lynched.

Looking at the votes, I know I want Boromir88 to stick around; so I will probably vote for one of his rivals.

[Mithalwen]

I am just on Page 2 of my in depth read through but checking back ..Volo is looking shiftier by the minute .. is getting a bit hysterical and is this fixation on the special roles a desperate attempt to look useful?

To me he is far more suspicious than Boro .....

Gil also is worrying me - starts merely parroting the previous post then vote for Boro... Is he trusting that we will say Gil being Gil and ignore him? But we can't . He is the sort that wolves leave alive for the confusion factor ....and so we may have to answer the question ourselves ..

[Volo]

I have a feeling that Celuien has a higher probability of turning out a wolf than the other. She has been talking about the story-hints just like me, but didn't throw a single opinion on reality during the whole day. That's one quiet wolf. Consider voting her tomorrow if nothing better happens, I feel like I'm going down already today, pity.

She does promise to come later today, but that would be safe.


Volo is looking shiftier by the minute .. is getting a bit hysterical and is this fixation on the special roles a desperate attempt to look useful?
Haha! Wait 'til you play with me again. :p:D

[Anguirel]

Votes at the time of writing:

Boro 3
Rune 1
Gil 2
Durelin 2
Ang 1
Naria 1
Mac 1
Volo 2

3 hours 'till the deadline...

[Volo]

Rune I trust. He hasn't said too much useful, but my guts tell me not to suspect him too much. The only thing that I find really strange is this
+/+Macalaure

Edit: Cross posted with Mac

Rune should have had enough time to explain this one better, as Mac just posted a major post at the same time as Rune voted for him.

I think this is worth noticing!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Though my head doubts this wisdom, there is an invisible rope keeping me from voting Volo. What can it be?

Casually states "I feel like I'm going down already today, pity."

He's almost daring us to vote for him.

The other serious contender for me out of those with votes is Macalaure.

[mormegil]

Admittedly I'm only to post 49 but while reading I has an epiphany of sorts. I don't believe there is a rule for the Rangers to protect themselves. They are by far the most important in this village. They can manage it so that they can protect each other each night and not protect the same person two nights in a row. At worst this will make it 4 villagers and 3 wolves at the end. If you think about it, most of us innocents really aren't invaluable, if any of us at all, ergo we can die at nights and be the night fodder while those left try to pick off wolves.

Wait...do the rangers know each other yet? I don't think they do...CRAP! That whole idea went up...well if you do end up knowing each other use this as it will help ensure victory. The biggest problem is you need three to pull if off.

Now to try and catch up a bit more.

[Volo]

Rikae is so nice that I no way suspect her. Her vote also makes perfect sense, who wouldn't want to vote the scary big Anguirel. No wolvery noticed what so ever...


X:d with mormegil

[Mithalwen]

Of course there is one valid reason for being deliberately suicidal but I think it is a bit early..... and if Volo were the Hunter (if we have a hunter ...) then it would be a bit early to show his hand .. but if that were the case I should be the last to judge a gifted for panicking..... :o

It could just be trying to make us think "would a wolf be so reckless?" Well yes they might - Roa' words on Gil might be as easily applied here...

[Boromir88]

Mith, if Volo was in anyway gifted I can't see why a gifted would act this way. Therefor he's either a suicidal wolf that sees his fate and is simply stirring a pot of confusion. Or he's an ordinary that is having fun and wants to die. Either way, it looks like he wants to die and I'll be more than happy to oblige with that wish.

[Volo]

No way would the Hunter know whom to kill yet! That's totally insane. If you, Mith, really want to know how I tend to act then read my earlier games, there aren't many posts to read.
I'm saying that you can't know what I am by thinking how recless/strange/wierd/cryptic I act. My fenrisification was the only time people were right with my role.


X:d with Boromir. NO, I do not want to die in this game. So I do prefer that you don't kill me.

[Mithalwen]

Well I didn't say it was likely behaviour but I thought that what might be making Eomer doubt, and only the fact that being gifted made me more unhinged than usual stopped me ruling it out entirely ....

[Mithalwen]

Exactly ...... but you aren't making me any more inclined not to vote for you on the belief you are about to become the first "Fenris Wolf and Bar"....

[Boromir88]

Volo's I really can't pinpoint Volo's actions as a wolf or an innocent, they seem more cobbleresque...and as Nogrod hinted there is one amongst the village who doesn't know who the wolves are, yet is still on their side and wins along with them. I wonder...

[Macalaure]

First, a random thought about trust and mistrust.
Of course, you can't trust anyone (unless a proven seer confirmes them innocent). You simply can't. We've all been in situations (I think) where we were absolutely sure someone was innocent and then woke up with a dagger in our back. Then again, you simply cannot mistrust 17 people at a time. You go insane.
You have to trust a portion of the village, take up their points, consider them honest (even if they're contrary to your own. In fact, especially then) and make up your own mind then. I think the key is to question your trust frequently and don't set it in stone.


Current state of the trust:

People I trust (at the moment)
me
Rikae
Boromir
Roa

People I trust somewhat
mormegil (no reason for mistrust)
Anguirel (fishy, but he's always fishy)
Volo (I sense a trend towards him. Slowly there! He said a lot that naturally makes everyone suspicious. I maintain that he's genuine and innocent)
Firefoot
Mithalwen

People who seem weird
Lommy (don't know what to do with her)
Gil (looks pretty much like Gil. I always suspect him in a way)
Farael

People I have no feeling about
Naria (hasn't posted)
Durelin (hasn't posted sustantially)

People I suspect
Lalwende (little more than a hunch)
Rune (too uncontroversial in the beginning. Better lately)
Celuien (too uncontroversial. Only talked about the roles and defended people. Said she feels good about everyone so far and votes someone who hasn't posted. But then, Celuien is nice whatever her role)
Eomer (I have no problem with people suspecting me (see Rune), but I like to hear their reasons)


We have retrackies, so I'm putting another name into the urn, just to see what happens:

++Celuien

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++VOLO

Oh no, I certainly do not think he's gifted. I was merely saying that there's some doubt in this course of action. Still I'd rather vote him and tie him with Boromir88 than any of the other immediate options open to me.

Currently thinking the wolves are Volo, Firefoot and Thinlómien. And now I must go to tend to my precious bees.

[Mithalwen]

Wel that would make sense but clearly I have missed something or have misinterpreted ..... I am afraid I jumped into the village posts having thought I had read and understood the narrative before kick off....

[Volo]

Ok, Mith, whatever. I am sorry that I have been more on the way then of help, but I like to talk when I want and now I want to talk, so suspect me if you feel like it.

But about Boromir (uh, those short analysis' are maybe a complete waste of time, but a few points come up now and then):
It is pretty probable that Boromir and Celuien are wolves! Boromir suspects her, but not too seriously and without "points".
Otherwise Boromir does not feel wolvish, except for one post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=507807&postcount=86).
Now he says that he is easy to predict, if it really is so, then Boromir plays badly! This is a great way to feel innocent and clever from a wolf.

So I would like to know if it's easy to predict him. ??


EDIT: X:d with #114 ->
Eomer, I wish to strangle you...

[Anguirel]

Volo, this is a thick question, but are you being sarcastic about Rikae? Because if you are, I kind of see where you're coming from.

I still have the option to retract and may yet use it. Let's see how the situation develops. I'm not entirely comfortable with the impetuous Volo's death, but less uncomfortable with it than with most other outcomes.

[mormegil]

--Rune

++Volo

I know that this is horrible but I really haven't caught up yet and the deadline is near enough and work busy enough that there is no way I can. I do trust Eomer enough that I'll follow along with his vote. Again don't expect this to happen again :(

[Volo]

Volo, this is a thick question, but are you being sarcastic about Rikae? Because if you are, I kind of see where you're coming from.

No, I don't feel sarcastic about Rikae. I don't think that she would be such a great wolf to play so well.


EDIT: X:d with mormegil. Still two hours. Be a man and don't act safe! :p

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I did misinterpret the narrative - I thought the villagers being together as the Gaur attacked was a hint at Shirriffs but now I see it was part of them not getting "a full strenth dose"... have't picked up on this hint of a cobbler though ... take pity on a poor serving wench and point me in the right direction?

[Volo]

Sooo, I'm low on life-time. And computer-time.

About Roa I can't say much, just that keeping such a summary does make her scary. I hope she's on our side.
She hasn't talked much sense and even her vote seems fake.

Argh... This is it, I have to go.

--Durelin
++Boromir

He is suspicious and I would really like to save myself.

[Boromir88]

have't picked up on this hint of a cobbler though ...
I think I confused the town charter chatter with the narration. Though I would not doubt it if one of the secret roles is a help to the wolves.

[Anguirel]

The chances of a two-horse race are now practically a hundred percent, and I'm becoming disillusioned with the idea of a wolf-Volo - but I suspect Boro very little.

Ho hum. I suppose if Eomer and I defected to Macalaure that might be helpful...what say you, beekeeper? How sure are you about our chosen man?

[Anguirel]

Blast, the beekeeper is off beekeeping. Ah well. Stiff upper lip, Volo old chap...always look on the bright side of death...

[Mithalwen]

Roa did talk sense - and she always takes a forensic approach to the game - unfortunately her assessments can be plausible regardless of her role...

I (and I am sure most of us) would never rule out Roa as a wolf without a seer's confirmation .. which we can't hope for here. But I am not buying into "Roa is a wolf because she summarizes and doesn't make sense" cos she always summarizes and unless she gets really riled up she makes sense.

[Macalaure]

I'm not comfortable with a race between Boro and Volo. I'm sorry to do this, since I'm very far from being convinced of his guilt. But I'm more suspicious of him than of the two.

--Celuien

++Gil-Galad


mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)
Farael -> Volo (-Lommy) (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Lalwende -> Gil (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Mac -> Celuien (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Eomer -> Volo (Boro 3, Volo 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
morm -> Volo (-Rune) (Volo 4, Boro 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Volo -> Boro (-Durelin) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 2, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Mac -> Gil (-Celuien) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)

[Mithalwen]

I really don't want Boro to go and would be prepared to hang fire on Volo in favour of Gil to ensure this ..what do you think Ang?

[Anguirel]

I'm not sure. I don't think I want to change my vote to Gil. I can't help envisaging the stupendous possibility that Macalaure is moving to the aid of his lupine friend Volo, and rather want to test that theory out...are you willing to risk voting Volo?

[Lalwendë]

Whichever way anyone votes, Naria has still to come in and say anything and cast her vote, and it could be a deciding one. What a position of power! :eek:

[Celuien]

Naria was chosen at random from the less communicative section with the goal of poking everyone who hadn't posted yet. And retractably. Interesting that it was found so significant...

--Naria

As for my being quieter just now, I'm about to post to the noticeboard.

[Boromir88]

Gah I hate to have to do this, but I fear I must, as I can't be around to the end. I have to leave within a few minutes and can't make it back before the end...with my fate in limbo I feel I have to do it.

I am one of the secretive roles, and indeed it is the hunter. However, I am far more dangerous to the wolves at night than I am if I get lynched...so getting lynched is not something I want to do! If the wolves feel safe with killing me at night, I'll take up that challenge...but I do warn you I am far more dangerous to you wolves at night than the hunters of the past.

I must go soon, and I'll cast my vote for anyone that saves my skin, because you villagers do not want to lynch your hunter. I am far more dangerous to the wolves if they decide to risk it and kill me at night.

Edit: More mass cross posting

[Lalwendë]

OK so we have four more undecided votes still to be cast...

[Mithalwen]

Ang,I have wanted to save Boro and have suspected Volo since I first logged on ..I am only to happy to vote for him ..if he is not a wolf he is soooo cobblerish that it will be no great loss.....

[Lalwendë]

No, that's five more votes to cast since Celuien's withdrawal.

[Celuien]

++VOLO

For a gut feeling of weirdness.

[Celuien]

I crossed with everything since my retraction post (typing on a PDA screen is hard). That's all.

[Lalwendë]

mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)
Farael -> Volo (-Lommy) (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Lalwende -> Gil (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Mac -> Celuien (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Eomer -> Volo (Boro 3, Volo 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
morm -> Volo (-Rune) (Volo 4, Boro 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Volo -> Boro (-Durelin) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 2, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Mac -> Gil (-Celuien) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Celuien -> Volo (Volo 5, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)

I think it's now all down to the tactical voting?

[Boromir88]

I can't wait around for a decision any longer. I won't be back before the end. Let's hope we got ourselves one here, or perhaps somebody else that could benefit the wolves.

++Volo

[Mithalwen]

mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)
Farael -> Volo (-Lommy) (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Lalwende -> Gil (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)
Mac -> Celuien (Boro 3, Durelin 2, Volo 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Eomer -> Volo (Boro 3, Volo 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Rune 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
morm -> Volo (-Rune) (Volo 4, Boro 3, Durelin 2, Gil 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Volo -> Boro (-Durelin) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 2, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1, Celu 1)
Mac -> Gil (-Celuien) (Volo 4, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1, Mac 1)[/QUOTE]

Celuien Volo (-Naria) (Volo 5, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, , Mac 1)


Updated Mac's list highlighting those who have changed votes and are therefore fixed. It was just one .. and first to total dies in event of a tie remember...

[Lalwendë]

Volo 6, Boro 4, Gil 3, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Mac 1.

Is it just me or does Volo 6, Boro 4 sound like the football scores?

[Mithalwen]

OK

++Volo

[Macalaure]

I can't help envisaging the stupendous possibility that Macalaure is moving to the aid of his lupine friend Volo, and rather want to test that theory outWouldn't I have voted Boro in that case? :rolleyes:

[Lalwendë]

Does this mean only Naria is left to vote?

Unless there are retractions from Ang, Eomer and Morm and a vote elsewhere from Naria, this means Volo has had it. I'm not so sure about this. He seemed just too easy?

[Durelin]

I feel Volo's a wasted lynch.

I think Firefoot's post here (http://forums.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=507744&postcount=53) seems too cozy. The second vote for someone is a nice and innocent looking spot, but does quite a lot to push votes along for the person, particularly if the vote is as early as hers.

But she doesn't have any votes.

I think Gil-Galad's a better shot at a wolf. And I don't feel he's made any good points...or tried to, really. Of course, he's barely posted.

Boro is not particularly suspicious to me.

So...

++Gil-Galad

[Anguirel]

Macalaure, in that situation backing the success of a third candidate would be a far more subtle way of aiding your fellow-wolf than simply supporting the closest rival. But I'm starting to believe in the tenuousness of my case.

A lot of the responsibility for lynching Volo rests on me, I feel, but I don't think I can in good conscience change my mind.

[Mithalwen]

Durelin,I don't disagree about Gil as my posts tell .. I would be happy voting either way but Volo makes Boro safer ..

[Nogrod]

Sorry, my bad! I had dropped Durelin from the "official" player list in post #3 of this thread. I have now put her back in there... Sorry.

(I wondered a bit why my counts don't add...)

[Anguirel]

I am a quivering, wobbling, vaguely alcoholic zabaglione of indecision.

[Mithalwen]

Ang - I would change but if faffing about gets Hunter Boro killed I will not be a happy wench ... (and if Boro is a clever wolf here the village will have an extra idiot.. :( ) However I want to go home soon if possible so if you could let me know...... neither Volo or Gil have proved themselves great assets. Gil has been random and excessively taciturn, Volo random and excessively verbose - I mean talking is good, talking gives us stuff to work on but he seems ot be putting up smokescreens.

[Mithalwen]

Sorry, my bad! I had dropped Durelin from the "official" player list in post #3 of this thread. I have now put her back in there... Sorry.

(I wondered a bit why my counts don't add...)


Lol and why she isn't on my chart .... should have noticed ..

[Durelin]

Durelin,I don't disagree about Gil as my posts tell .. I would be happy voting either way but Volo makes Boro safer ..

Maybe so, but I'm not going to actively protect Boro, when I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, and if I'm not suspicious of Volo. To me that makes no sense. I think everyone should try and vote for someone they are actually (at least a little bit) suspicious of - not just to save someone unless you know they're innocent.

[Lalwendë]

Glad you said that Nogrod, as I was trying to think of a way to apologise to Durelin for my omission. :( I'm not quite so embarrassed about my poor maths now.

Now for more maths. Volo is on 7, Boro on 4, Gil on 4. There are still 4 retractable votes for Volo, 3 for Boro and 3 for Gil, and one more other vote to acount for. It's all still to play for I s'pose.

Some very spirited defence of Boro lately I note. By Wolves or Rangers? He's either suspected, or known, to be innocent or is a cobbler or something like that? Though I don't want to go there or it will mess up all my thoughts from today.

[Durelin]

No issues, everyone...I enjoyed remaining mysterious for a time... :D

And no, not because I have something to hide. :p

[Firefoot]

Hey, I'm back! I didn't expect to be, but I have a couple extra hours. So.

My vote for Boromir earlier was not based on much at all. He and Gil were the only ones who had caught my eye in a significant way, and I overslept this morning so I didn't have time to look closer. That being said:

--Boromir

This will probably look like jumping on the bandwagon, but it's not (if I didn't want to look like I was jumping on the bandwagon, I wouldn't be posting at all right now and standing by my earlier statement that I wouldn't be available for the rest of the Day...). After reading the second page of the thread, I knew I wanted to vote for

++Volo

It was his post 70 that did it. He's way too cavalier and too defensive. I don't like to see people acting exaggeratedly (although I realize this is the style of some people - I have no idea if this is normally true for Volo). He's just a little all over the place.

Other scattered thoughts to come. I just don't want to build this up so that I'm cross-posting with a bunch of people.

[Macalaure]

Macalaure, in that situation backing the success of a third candidate would be a far more subtle way of aiding your fellow-wolf than simply supporting the closest rival. But I'm starting to believe in the tenuousness of my case.I see your point. Good you're about to change your mind. It's frustrating to be suspected by people you think are innocent.

Talking of people suspecting me... Master Eomer, I still like to hear an explanation of yours. :p


Durelin speaks truth. There's a chance that Boro is fooling us. I can already hear him saying "The wolves are afraid of me!" when the village starts wondering why keeps on staying alive day after day. :D
Well, in that case, the real hunter knows what to do.
Unless Boro is the one wolf-supporting innocent. Hats off in that case.

[Mithalwen]

Maybe so, but I'm not going to actively protect Boro, when I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, and if I'm not suspicious of Volo. To me that makes no sense. I think everyone should try and vote for someone they are actually (at least a little bit) suspicious of - not just to save someone unless you know they're innocent.


Well fair enough but I personally felt he was innocent and both Gil and Volo were suspicious. In which case it is reasonable to my mind to choose to protect the seeming innocent .. then there is the matter of his revelation - do you imply that you think Boro lied about being the Hunter?

[Anguirel]

OK, Mith. I've made up my mind. I did not toss a twenty groat coin to decide, I have never, ever, lost a game of Werewolf, and I am the true King of Beleriand.

Let's change.

--VOLO, ++GIL-GALAD

[Durelin]

Since when is "all over the place"-ness on Day 1 wolfish?

*shrugs*

[Lalwendë]

Volo is on 8, Boro on 3, Gil on 4. There are now 3 retractable votes for Volo, 2 for Boro and 3 for Gil, and one more other vote to acount for.

So errrrr, what does that mean, on the Swingometer? :confused: Is it a Hung Parliament yet?

[Mithalwen]

Oh bother ..Mr Zbaglione ..I have just reread Volo post 70" Yup, I'm the wolf, lynch me!" Sometimes when people say they are wolves they are ..

[Durelin]

Mith - If you're suspicious of Volo, then I support your voting for him. :D

There is no way of knowing whether or not Boro is the Hunter until he is dead...which is pretty useless, unless he takes a Wolf with him.

And I was mostly explaining my vote. Besides, Boro was already safe when I voted: Volo already had...6 votes? He was up on Boro by two?

At any rate...I have been cross-posting with people like crazy...

[Mithalwen]

My head hurts (literally) can someone do the scores on the doors before migraine sets in...

[Lalwendë]

Volo is on 7, Boro on 3, Gil on 5. There are now 2 retractable votes for Volo, 2 for Boro and 3 for Gil, and still we await Naria...

Mithalwen, your defence of Boro is amazing!

[Macalaure]

Just when I thought it was over, it's Volo 7 - Gil 5.

Come on, people!

[Rikae]

I just got back and finished reading the posts. Not much time left to comment, but Volo does look very weird, and what's more, I don't appreciate the sarcastic digs at me. Maybe I'm not the world's best player, but you don't need to be so nasty about it.
--Anguirel
++Volo

[Rikae]

What I mean - he says I would be a bad wolf. Apparently, and especially considering my earlier comments, that means I'm just a lousy ww player.
That hurt.

[Mithalwen]

Mith - If you're suspicious of Volo, then I support your voting for him. :D

There is no way of knowing whether or not Boro is the Hunter until he is dead...which is pretty useless, unless he takes a Wolf with him.



To be fair , Volo - I have never played with but he seems the most overtly suspicious of anyone - but Gil always worries me. AS I say both are messing with my head.

As for defending Boro...well he is the person I talk to most on the Downs- friendship may have clouded my judgement or help me read him better .. as Durelin says - I can't be absolutely certain til he is dead.

[Firefoot]

Concerning Volo (some more):

I wanted to vote Durelin for a completely useless post, a grudge and to help Boromir, but now having read Boromir's posts better I see he's pretty suspicious. I don't understand this. Who wants to vote completely uselessly? Does this mean that he totally flipped and now thought Boro was suspicious? Obviously he was already starting to come up with suspicions at this point - so why did he go ahead and vote for Durelin "for no reason at all"?

She agrees with Firefoot's comment on "do not trust anyone". That's clearly a wolfish ploy. While I don't propose "trust just about everyone", at some point you need to draw a line. Do your best to make your own theories and find your own suspects, but if we start suspecting "This person may be a wolf because I trust them too much" then we are done for. Odds are, if someone is making A LOT of sense, and there is no evidence at all that they are a wolf.... they will be innocent. I think I ought to clarify my own comment here. I didn't mean to absolutely not trust anybody. I meant don't come into the game already trusting someone before they've even posted once, basically assuming they will be innocent because you like to trust them. Once they've posted a couple of times, then there might be some grounds for trust.

Farael's post 71 strikes me as a little peculiar - it's extremely in depth for the length of time the game had been going on. I'm not really saying it's a bad thing, but it did catch my eye. Actually, Farael just seems very convinced on his own theories in general, but with the way others are responding it seems that that might be normal for him.

I'm not quite easy with Anguirel, just the way he subtly shifts blame around. But I don't particularly think he's a wolf, either.

Boro the hunter, hm? I missed that the first time through. It seems to me, though, that while the hunter is only really useful if he is killed (except as a known innocent, I suppose), the hunter is much more likely to be successful later on when there's a higher chance of picking a wolf... so it seems likely that if he was the hunter, the wolves would try to take him out earlier rather than later, since leaving a known innocent late into the game can be extremely dangerous for the wolves. I think it would probably be silly for a wolf to try and bluff like that - people are going to get suspicious if he stays alive too long. Although I suppose the wolves could try and bluff their way through that by leaving him alive so we actually lynch him. Oh, I don't know. If I hadn't already changed my vote, I would now if only because it's not worth the risk at this point.

[Mithalwen]

What I mean - he says I would be a bad wolf. Apparently, and especially considering my earlier comments, that means I'm just a lousy ww player.
That hurt.


If it is any consolation ... in the notes I made but which have been made irrelevant (for now by events) I have by your name "intelligent comments on {something illegible}"

[Rikae]

Mith, thank you...at least I managed to appear intelligent for a fleeting moment, and that is some comfort.

[Macalaure]

I just got back and finished reading the posts. Not much time left to comment, but Volo does look very weird, and what's more, I don't appreciate the sarcastic digs at me. Maybe I'm not the world's best player, but you don't need to be so nasty about it.
--Anguirel
++Volo
*sigh*
I see your point. I still think Volo is innocent and just said what he thought. I can assure you that few share his opinion. If I recall correctly, you haven't even been a werewolf so far and so didn't have a chance to inspire fear into us. :)

[Durelin]

I agree that his comment was quite wrong, Rikae: it was quite wrong of him to say it, and he is quite wrong in thinking that way of you.

I do find Volo's questioning of Farael's argument regarding Lommy as odd, which can be found here (http://forums.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=507772&postcount=73). He argues against it using the suggestion that in-character nonsense should be ignored, shrugged off.

But, in an earlier post, rather than asserting his vote for me is random, he tries to explain it:


I wanted to vote Durelin for a completely useless post, a grudge and to help Boromir, but now having read Boromir's posts better I see he's pretty suspicious.

Eh? He should have just sticked with the grudge thing.

I don't know if this means anything or not...mostly it just has me confused.

If I had to say who the wolves were right now, though, I'd say Rikae and Firefoot are two of them. Just throwing that out there.

[Rikae]

Didn't you kind of contradict yourself there, Duralin?

[Nogrod]

Okay villagers, time's up.

Volo will be dying soon...

[Durelin]

Probably.

[Nogrod]

The people living in the countryside are sometimes looked upon as somewhat simple and even more so very much quiet folk by their town-dwelling cousins. That clearly wasn’t the case in this village.

After the strange fellow Nogrod had vanished there was a small interval of quietness, but then the talking bursted to fill the room. With basically no courtesies the people were on each other in earnest. And that really brought forwards some talking! It was clear most of the people had no chance to actually hear all the points raised. And they were going to and fro with the words the visiter had said, banging to their old rivalries and trustings, but also radically turning them around.

What followed was predictable. Confusion.

In the beginning the Serious Jester was getting the most suspicion. But he said he was something special and should not be lynched. Most of the people looked at him and started to back off from him. Although there were a couple of voices that called his claim of being something special a possible bluff.

It started to get serious with the Cryptic Lens Grinder after Gorlim’s Lighthearted Brother, The Moose Tamer and the Beekeeper turned their eyes on him. He defended himself bravely, and many were driven to search for yet another villain as it felt it was too soon to just nail him that early. And the Confused Philosopher seemed to fit their standards. He had been vague and obscure as the philosophers tend to be.

There were loud words and soft words spoken, almost half of the villagers saw it necessary to withdraw their votes and reconsider them before they all seemed to have an agreement of the situation.

So it was to be Volo, the Cryptic Lens Grinder.

“I still think Volo a mass of contradictions”, said the merry-man

“I might vote for Volo simply for being counter-constructive” said the Serious Jester.

“Though my head doubts this wisdom, there is an invisible rope keeping me from voting Volo.” Said the Beekeper and voted for him.

“I do trust Eomer enough that I'll follow along with his vote” said the tall Doctor.

“Be a man and don't act safe!” Volo snapped back but it was getting too late for him.

“I'm saying that you can't know what I am by thinking how recless/strange/wierd/cryptic I act.” He tried, but with no avail.

The villagers were already gathering around him, although Eiliniel’s Brother who is always right tried to cool them down, but even he had to end the Day with a sigh as the villagers had clearly made up their minds.

“I feel like I'm going down already today, pity”, Volo mumbled as the Serous Jester was tying a rope around his neck. The Innkeeper threw the rope over the baulk on the roof and the Frivolous Serving-Wench of hers brought the stool and helped Volo on to it.

“Hey, here you go my cavalier!” shouted the Homeless Waif and kicked the stool from under him. Gorlim’s brother got alarmed and tried to come in between the hanging – as if he was having second thoughts of it, but the Superstitious Mathematician barred his way. “Let’s just see this through, he insulted me and I felt bad about it. Let him hang”.

And he hang and hung and was hanged. The villagers were watching his body rocking to and fro. Nothing happened. Volo had been an ordinary villager, a bit cryptic, possibly, but wishing them no evil...

Dead:
Volo – The Cryptic Lens Grinder – (ordo) hanged on Day1

Alive:
Durelin - The Augur of the Village
Rikae - A Superstitious Mathematician
Thinlómien - An Ugly Little Shepherdess
Kath - A Weawer
Macalaure- Eiliniel's Witty Younger Brother Who's Always Right
Rune son of Bjarne - A Moonshiner
Boromir88 - The Serious Jester
Mithalwen - A Frivolous Serving-Wench
Lalwendë - Eiliniel, A Retired Village Idiot
Farael – A Moose Tamer
Anguirel - Gorlim's Lighthearted Brother, Anguirel the Merry
Mormegil – The Tall Doctor
Celuien - The Innkeeper
Firefoot - A Homeless Waif
Eomer - A Beekeeper
Gil-Galad - A Confused Philosopher
Roa_Aoife - The Town Fletcher

It's Night2 now.

Wolves feel free to discuss together. Wolves and all the Rangers PM me your choices. And, you know... most others, please silence then.

[Nogrod]

The heads of the villagers were hanging as low as their spirits. After the short and most modest funeral of the poor Lens Grinder everyone went to their homes under an oppressive athmosphere. The doors would be locked this Night.

Just after the silence had fallen over the village, three doors opened quietly and three cloaked figures took out into the Night. But there was a fourth hooded villager out there too. He slipped from under a shadow to another, keenly observing anything he could find interesting.

No villager felt comfortable enough to sleep in peace that Night – except the wolves who took a nice and relaxing nap before their time would come. But two of the villagers felt the burden of responsibility on top of their overall anguish.

One was sitting by his fireplace at his home, fondling the golden dagger and admiring it’s beauty. But inside his head there was a storm. The other one was sitting by his table beside the window and held a piece of paper in his hand. In his other hand there was a pen, and written to the paper were numbers one, two and three. He was staring at the paper and thinking. Both villagers were frantically going through the discussion of the last Day: what had been said and by whom. A lot might depend on their judgement.

..................
In the dead of the Night when even the nature itself had fallen asleep the wolves finally crawled out from their houses and gathered around the small square in front of the Inn. Even the wind had ceased after it had blown the clouds away from the moon.

Under the starry sky the werewolves turned to each other. “The master calls for blood toNight”, the biggest and hairiest one of them hissed, looking at it’s mates critically. “Can you two make it?” it asked the two others with a stern gaze in it’s eyes. The two nodded, albeit a bit insecurely. Their transformation was not yet full as there were patches of human skin clearly to be seen amidst the furry hair that they had grown. And their teeth were no match to the first one’s razor-sharp killing utensils.

“I can’t be herding you two anyhow if I’m to do my bit, so let’s just get on with the plan. I’ll meet you here after the task is done.” With that the leader-wolf disappeared into the shadows smoothly and quietly like a cat. The two looked at each other and took a different direction, slipping into the Night as well.

..................
Eiliniel’s Witty Younger Brother Who’s Always Right had finally fallen to sleep but was sleeping lightly. Then, through his sleep, he thought he heard a quiet movement from the downstairs. He was awake now and lied still trying to catch the noise again. Although the loudest thing he could hear was the beating of his own heart he still thought that there was someone down there. He sensed it - he was right again. There was someone down there.

Then there were the damped steps he thought he heard. They were coming from the stairs and they were coming closer, silently but fast. He couldn’t take it any more. He reached out for his matches and lighted the candle in haste. Just that moment the door was bursted open. Turning quickly around Macalaure saw only the gigantic and horrendously sharp teeth coming towards him. He was to be Right no more.

.................
The Town Fletcher had been suspecting everyone. And she did so during the Night too. Armed with her own bow and a quiver of her best arrows she was sitting in the middle of the floor, an arrow notched ready, just waiting for any surprises.

The two wolves circled around her house quietly as they dared not to attack in full frontal an enemy that frightful. But she was tired, just too tired and in the end was forced to take a catnap every now and then. And that was enough for the wolves. They surrounded the house and when Roa_Aoife dozed off again they both smashed in through the windows from opposite sides. She had time to become aware of a figure rushing towards her when she felt the claws of the other in the back of her head. Then it all went blank.

...................
The villager with the golden dagger had made his decision. He would do it, he would try it toNight. But it was only when the Night was starting to wear off that he did feel sure enough. He took his cape and dagger in a hurry and ran out while there still was some Night left. There was a house he had decided to pay a visit.

The Innkeeper had stayed up the whole Night and fallen asleep at the instant she fell down to her bed. “Come morning, come other duties...” she had mumbled to herself as she had laid down. Unfortunately her duties were to be over. Quietly the villager slipped in from the door the Innkeeper had left unlocked and sneaked into her bedroom. With a flash he slit her throat open. Celuien probably didn’t even realise she died.

But as the villager waited for a transformation of his victim – and saw that nothing happened except the blood pouring out from her throat – he noticed a beautifully forged sword on the table behind him. But as the life escaped from Celuien's body the sword turned to dust. Quietly he slipped back in to his house just before the morning broke.

There was no Innkeeper to open the Inn this morning and at the same time the Village had lost one of their Rangers.

Dead:
Volo – The Cryptic Lens Grinder – (ordo) hanged on Day1
Macalaure - Eiliniel's Witty Younger Brother Who's Always Right – (ordo) killed to his bed on Night2
Roa_Aoife - The Town Fletcher – (ordo) killed from behind while dozing off in the middle of her room on Night2
Celuien - The Innkeeper – (Ranger) throat slit on Night2

Alive:
Durelin - The Augur of the Village
Rikae - A Superstitious Mathematician
Thinlómien - An Ugly Little Shepherdess
Kath - A Weawer
Rune son of Bjarne - A Moonshiner
Boromir88 - The Serious Jester
Mithalwen - A Frivolous Serving-Wench
Lalwendë - Eiliniel, A Retired Village Idiot
Farael – A Moose Tamer
Anguirel - Gorlim's Lighthearted Brother, Anguirel the Merry
Mormegil – The Tall Doctor
Firefoot - A Homeless Waif
Eomer - A Beekeeper
Gil-Galad - A Confused Philosopher

DAY2 has begun.

Wolves stop PM’ing, Villagers, make a difference.

[Gil-Galad]

well i assume that assumptions shall be made on myself again... so go for it, either way i'm going to yell "i told you so"

i'm still eyeing that Boromir... and people that support that boromir...

[Firefoot]

You've gotta be kidding me.

So now we have 2 rangers, 3 wolves, 3 others (one of which is Boro?), and 7 ordos?

And why isn't anyone posting??

I'll be back in a bit... I have some stuff to do right now.

[Rikae]

I was going over the day's posts during the night, but unfortunately my conclusion - that Celuien looked suspicious - was wrong. Apparently I wasn't alone in my mistake.

Beyond Cel, no one especially stood out. Firefoot's repetition of the "trust no one" theme looked somewhat oddly empty, and the possibility that Boro is bluffing certainly crossed my mind. Even so, he could be an ordo setting a wolf-trap, rather than a wolf or cobbler. Rune seemed like he might be holding something back and Gil was, of course, confusing, but I don't think it's necessarily wolfish. Anguirel maybe merits some analysis as well. In hindsight, his original accusation of Volo just doesn't sit right somehow. I'll try to come up with some sort of summary on these, at least, before I go to bed.

Why do you think the wolves would go after Mac and Roa? As I mentioned, Mac has great instincts, possibly Roa too - I wouldn't know. So could the wolves have been trying to rid themselves of dangerous players? Killing two such vocal players seems like a bold move; are there any people who are particularly likely to do that sort of thing as wolves?

[Farael]

Talk about a DEAD silence.

I'm no good for making long analysis of what others have said and whom they've suspected... I still claim that Loomy is a wolf, although granted that Volo's innocence makes her look a LITTLE bit less hairy. Not much though, I'm stubborn.

I'm going to lurk around and wait for more words to be said before I go on writing... there isn't much I want to say anyway.

Edit: X-ed with Rikae. I think that the wolves decided to get rid of those two in Night 1 because the more they stay around, the more likely they are to make a case against one of them... and then it's much harder to get them killed.

[Gil-Galad]

wait.. boro is now a gifted.. what? i am confused now...

[Firefoot]

Gil - Go here. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=507873&postcount=133)

I am now inclined to think that Gil is probably not a wolf, as Boro's claim would surely have come up in their discussions, so Gil would have known before now if he was a wolf. I suppose it could be a bluff - but that almost seems too subtle for Gil, and his post doesn't at all read like one.

[Gil-Galad]

Gil - Go here. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=507873&postcount=133)

I am now inclined to think that Gil is probably not a wolf, as Boro's claim would surely have come up in their discussions, so Gil would have known before now if he was a wolf. I suppose it could be a bluff - but that almost seems too subtle for Gil, and his post doesn't at all read like one.


well since how i like to look behind the box... how do we know that was not boromir bluffing to take any notion of lynching him off? makes you think...


but i will not vote for boromir mainly for the fear of him indeed being a gifted

[Rikae]

Talk about a DEAD silence.

I'm no good for making long analysis of what others have said and whom they've suspected... I still claim that Loomy is a wolf, although granted that Volo's innocence makes her look a LITTLE bit less hairy. Not much though, I'm stubborn.


Gotta keep up appearances, eh, Farael?

[Boromir88]

Even so, he could be an ordo setting a wolf-trap, rather than a wolf or cobbler.
No I actually am the hunter, if you don't want to believe me that's your own fault.

[Rikae]

No I actually am the hunter, if you don't want to believe me that's your own fault.
Maybe you are, and maybe you aren't.

[Rikae]

Posts by Firefoot:
#1 In character banter, thinks Lommy and Mac should not be trusted “because everyone does”.

#2 Answering Rikae – “they could be great on our side” is a bad reason to trust somebody; we should distrust the people we tend to trust.

#3 If two wolves are clueless, lead wolf could just tell others who they are, rules impossible to enforce.

#4 Her vote for Boro wasn't based on much. Changes vote to Volo because he is too cavalier, defensive and “all over the place.”

#5 Asks why Volo voted for “no reason at all.” Clarifies “trust” statements (don't trust before game begins) Farael's certainty “peculiar”, vague suspicion of Ang. Wonders if Boro could be bluffing, thinks if he was a real hunter the wolves would kill him early.

Several things here don't seem right. Of course trusting or not trusting someone before they post is pointless; I don't think anyone would disagree, but she belabors the point to excess. She thinks Farael is peculiar for acting like Farael, and seems to conveniently forget that we have (had) three rangers who could protect Boro. (Which is, as I see it, one of the most promising things about his revealing himself. If the rangers indeed find each other by protecting the same person, protecting Boro may allow them to do so.)
Still, this isn't especially incriminating, especially since, when I look more closely at Farael, he almost begins to look like he's almost playing a parody of himself, which he wouldn't need to do if he's innocent.

Looking at Rune:

#1 Says he never trusts Mac or Gil.

#2 Thinks one wolf is stronger than normal, instead of two being weaker.

#3 Says Firefoot's advice would have our lists looking like: “distrust: everybody else, trust: me”.

#4 Calls me the “queen of wishful thinking”; doesn't think a lone “weak” wolf would be unable to kill.

#5 Doubts there's a reason for Morm's vote.

#6 Leaving, ignoring Morm.

#7 Defends self from Mac's accusations; posts without substance normal for day 1, no one said much.

#8 Thinks it's odd that Farael is so sure.

#9 Votes Mac because “he pushed my buttons.”

He indeed didn't have much of substance to say. This definitely bears out the “holding something back” sense I had from Rune; but I'm not sure what to make of it. He seems cautious.

Well, that's not much help; I have to leave for a little while but I will try to do a little more analysis before I go to bed.

[Firefoot]

Just one thing:She thinks Farael is peculiar for acting like Farael, I have no idea how Farael usually acts. It's been a long time since I've played in a game of WW, and if I ever played in a game with Farael I don't particularly remember it. The only people I really remember are those that I played in several games with.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sory for the absense these first hours. . .I was talking to a friend.

I somehow mannaged to overlook the post of Boro where he comes out as hunter, so thanks for pointing it out. Now this leaves us with a bit of a dilema, as we have no way of knowing if he is or not.

No matter what it is not likely that he will die during the night. Either because he is a wolf pretending to be a Hunter or because he is a hunter and it would serve the wolfes little purpuse to kill him. For one thing he could take out one of them, plus the longer he stay the more uncertain we will get and the higher chance there is for us to lynch him.

Of course if the dear Nogrod would give us some clear deffinitions of the roles we would have chance of knowing if it is a bluff or not.

pffft personaly I am inclined to belive him, but one can never know and that disturbs me.

[Gil-Galad]

The ket to surviving is to strike a balance, to be un-eventful to the wolves so they don't kill you and to not raise suspicion so the vilalgers do not gang up on you

and seeing how the "trust nobody but yourself" way of thinking is starting to take affect, this is the simple way of staying alive, make everyone happy.

[mormegil]

Sory for the absense these first hours. . .I was talking to a friend.

I somehow mannaged to overlook the post of Boro where he comes out as hunter, so thanks for pointing it out. Now this leaves us with a bit of a dilema, as we have no way of knowing if he is or not.

No matter what it is not likely that he will die during the night. Either because he is a wolf pretending to be a Hunter or because he is a hunter and it would serve the wolfes little purpuse to kill him. For one thing he could take out one of them, plus the longer he stay the more uncertain we will get and the higher chance there is for us to lynch him.

Of course if the dear Nogrod would give us some clear deffinitions of the roles we would have chance of knowing if it is a bluff or not.

pffft personaly I am inclined to belive him, but one can never know and that disturbs me.

Honestly my first vote for Rune was more or less in jest, it could have just as easily been for Kath. However, I've decided not to over analyze things anymore and lately it has served me well.

Rune's post above really strikes me as contrived and insincere. I just don't seem to believe much of what was written and who would lie?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yes that is right Morm, I only write things I do not belive. . . .I can honestly say that I did not see Boro's, post before it was linked and what I wrote was my emidiate thoughts on the subject.

anyways, this is totaly unimportant and not a sign of suspicion, but there was a part of your post I did not understand.

However, I've decided not to over analyze things anymore and lately it has served me well. What did you mean by this, I cannot see the conection between this and what you said about voting me and I am just wondering if I missed something. (I hate not knowing what people talk about)

[Firefoot]

So here's my thoughts on everyone right now. It's mostly just reactions and feelings rather than summaries and facts, so most of this isn't backed up by much. But I went back through and read all of everyone's posts, and this is where I'm at.

Rikae – I am not at all comfortable with Rikae. She says all the right things – and maybe that’s why I’m not comfortable. Maybe it has something to do with the way I perceive the tone of her posts – this quote in particular stood out to me. Roa, is it such a terrible thing that I prefer not to jump in, in the early hours of day one, with baseless accusations? It's always been my feeling that it's a good idea to spread suspicion around a little on day one, just to see how people react. As for good wolves also being good villagers, that should be obvious; a strong player is usually a strong player across the board. I was just saying I don't think we should lynch the ones we started the game fearing until they have given us some posts to analyse. It’s definitely defensive, but not assertively so. It takes more of a “poor me” tone, especially that first sentence.

Thinlómien – I don’t have much of an opinion on her at this point, mostly because she doesn’t have very many posts yet. The word I would use to describe her is “happy” – or maybe “light-hearted” would be better… her first couple of posts anyway. I’ll go back and look at what others said about her, but she doesn’t seem all that suspicious to me.

Kath – I’m feeling pretty comfortable with Kath right now. Her points seem logical and honest and I can see where she’s coming from.

Rune – He has posted rather frequently but never at length, and this has been pointed out as possibly being wolvish. I might argue, however, that “posting a lot without saying a lot” is a better indicator of wolvishness when the posts are longer and appear more substantial. Rune seems to be taking the position of a passive responder rather than trying to move things along… which could be contrived as “flying under the radar.” (You know, for such a common cliché in this game, it really is anachronistic… ;)) I’m in the middle with Rune, possibly leaning innocent.

Boromir88 – I’ve already stated my thoughts on Boromir. Basically, I don’t think that we should lynch him.

Mithalwen – I don’t see much that’s suspicious at all about Mithalwen right now.

Lalwendë – She seems to be very opinionated, which I would expect of her. However, she doesn’t seem to be trying at all to be subtle or trying to shift blame around, and her comments generally seem honest. She seems likely to be innocent.

Farael – I’m not particularly comfortable with him either. I still find it rather interesting how he was able to make such a long and in-depth accusation of Lommy when I really don’t think that there’s that much there. If he’s a wolf, he’s certainly going about it in a loud way… but I’m not convinced he is. Right now I’m inclined to think he’s just a loud innocent, but I’m keeping my eye on him.

Naria - …

Anguirel – I’m inclined to suspect Ang, at least a bit. He always comes across to me as playing a subtler game… he doesn’t make a lot of accusations and tends to throw out logical ideas and theories in a mostly agreeable way. The one thing that struck me about him was that he was the first one to really go after Volo and was the first one to vote for him (at a time when numerous other people had votes), but as the Day drew to a close, he backed off of this suspicion. This to me seems very much like a wolf, basically fobbing his vote off on an innocent (who did, admittedly, appear very wolvish) whom he figured would not be lynched. He’s definitely on my more suspicious list.

Mormegil – There’s not that much out there on Morm. I would guess that his first post which contained a vote for Rune was designed more to get the ball rolling than as a serious vote, but I’m not sure that that means anything. I’m not going to make a decision on him yet.

Eomer – He hasn’t said anything yet that seems particularly suspicious… but I’m certainly not letting him off the hook that easily. He’s way too capable of anything for that.

Durelin – She’s been both logical and consistent so far – I’m not particularly suspicious of her.

Gil-Galad – I don’t really think he’s a wolf. As I said before.

Oy. That's a lot of posts to go through.

Right now Rikae and Anguirel seem to head my list for suspicion, but nothing's set in stone yet, to be sure.

[Durelin]

I think the Boro situation is the least of our worries right now. He's just one of...well, everyone else...each of us is uncertain of. Well, except for those three nasties among us.

Gil is Gil right now and I am inclined to think him innocent.

Well, this is interesting to me...


Why do you think the wolves would go after Mac and Roa? As I mentioned, Mac has great instincts, possibly Roa too - I wouldn't know. So could the wolves have been trying to rid themselves of dangerous players? Killing two such vocal players seems like a bold move; are there any people who are particularly likely to do that sort of thing as wolves?

How about...you?

Talking at moderate length about why the wolves would make a kill without doing annoying (to do, that is), lengthy analyses of their posts... Makes me feel like you're not what you seem.

And why bother apologizing for your mistake when it comes to Celuien? You voted for Volo, approving his lynching. If you really feel the need to apologize, why not apologize for your suspicion of Volo? Just doesn't make much sense to me.

Also, I think you're rather quick to assume the person doing the killing is on our side... Unless I'm missing something (which is quite possible), I don't think we know.

And your votes don't sit right with me. You vote for Ang first. Nice, simple, "random-ish" Day 1 vote. Except...it's Ang, so there's the possibility he'll get lynched anytime, because people think he's shifty. Okay, so he is. Then you switch to Volo after he already has seven votes. A bit much, in my opinion. But nice and safe... You voted for Volo. You were right along with everyone else. Your vote for Ang before doesn't stand out. You don't stand out.

You make a good point about Farael keeping up appearances, though.

Hmm...it worries me that Eomer wasn't even voted for on Day 1... Preposterous! :p

There are so many quiet people... I can hang around for a little while, but I likely won't be back until just before the deadline after that...it sucks, but it's all I can do. Sorry.

[Rikae]

Well, Firefoot, what can I say...it's kind of my personality. I'm usually rather saddened when people suspect me; I know it's silly, but I can't help it.

I'm beginning to think it's kind of odd how little we're hearing from Morm. According to my lorebooks, his family is usually rather vocal; confusing and strange, but vocal.

As for the people I said I'd look at:
Here's Gil:
#1 In character, silly, agrees Lommy and Mac are “suspicious”, worries that this makes him look suspicious, says he wouldn't do something so suspicious looking if he was a wolf.
#2 Votes for Boro because of Boro's suspicions of Cel. “Sorry but I must put this lovely pie of lynching in your face, ta ta”

#3 Assumes he'll be suspected, says “so go for it”.

#4 Boro is now a gifted...what?

#5 Boro could be bluffing; but won't vote for him.

#6 The way to survive is striking a balance. I wonder who he's talking to?

Very little to go on here, obviously. He does seem extremely paranoid about people suspecting him; still, I can kind of understand how that could be an innocent reaction. No one likes to get lynched. It's quite possible all the Gil-suspicion of yesterday was a bit of a red herring, especially since Mac, who tried to have him lynched, was killed. I don't think a wolf-Gil would try a bluff like that, though of course, I could be wrong.

And Anguirel (day one):

#1 Thinks Boro's attack on Cel weird; but thinks both are innocent.
#2 Thinks Roa suspects those who post the most; hopeful of catching a wolf on day 1; thinks Boro is not suspicious; let the specials “get on with it” and don't worry about it.
#3 Thinks Volo's behavior is wolfish, because he
a) Explicit about views on special roles “a tactic that may seem too risky for a wolf, but isn't actually that dangerous”
[Why not? Because it's often done by ordos!]
b) Voting for “a random person, probably Durelin” is a contradiction.
c) Thinks “shocked reaction to Boro's plight” was fake.
d) Thinks “left to the seer” is distracting and irrelevent. [although we have more info now, it did seem possible yesterDAY that one of the secret roles was a seer or similar.]
e) “better vote me” is standard martyring. [yes, but ordos have been known to do that as well]
#4 Nonsense is fun; there's a split between those who say trust nobody and those who trust – doesn't really clarify where he stands on this – votes Volo.
#5 Calls for Gil and Firefoot to change votes; suspects Mac because he's been “toying with Rune”
#6 “Quiet and bloodthirsty? Well, yes, if not quite this extent, I suppose...”
#7 Thinks [b]Eomer's suspicion of Firefoot sounds reasonable.
#8 Vote tally
#9 Asks Volo if he suspects me, says if so he can see his point.
#10 Doesn't really suspect Volo or Boro; wants Eomer to vote Mac with him.
#11 Beekeeper is off beekeeping...stiff upper lip, Volo.
And a Monty Python quote, which almost clears him of all suspicion in my mind! ...Almost.
#12 Doesn't want to change vote to Gil...still wants to lynch Mac
#13 Thinks Mac is subtly protecting Volo by voting Gil.
#14 “I am a quivering, wobbling, vaguely alcoholic zabaglione of indecision”
#15 Changes vote to Gil, claiming it's on a coin toss.
My overall impression is that he's a bit too casual, a bit too quick to shift blame. He seems to be hiding in sheer number of posts sometimes; of the four I've looked at, I'd say he looks the most suspicious.

Still, I'm not satisfied with this. I can't shake the feeling that the wolves are actually among those no one's looking at. I think I'll take another (quick) look at everybody else.

EDIT: Crossed with Durelin, second EDIT to bold names.
Durelin, if I didn't want to do lengthy analysis of posts, why did I just do four?
As for the swordsman, wasn't the sword given by an eagle? That would make him good, no?

[Durelin]

Cross-posted with Firefoot...

You make some interesting points about Ang. I'm all about suspicious vote placement, so you've got me thinking...

[Farael]

No matter what I'll do, I'll always be suspected. Curiously enough, this time I'm being suspected for what? playing as I always play? c'mon guys, that's a stretch... but it's ok, I'll give you some more reason to suspect me

++Loomy

and I'm gone. Trust me, she IS a wolf.

[Boromir88]

When I get back in the morning I'll do whatever I can to help. I'm going to ask you all to trust me, whether you do or not it's up to you. You should all know by now that I can get suspicion away from me in much craftier ways than posing as a hunter (or any gifted). The reason I may be left alive for a little bit is because the wolves are scared and indeed I am very much like the 'logical hunter.' And that's what makes me far more dangerous to the wolves at night, as I have a better chance of having a wolf on my list. Where if I'm lynched, it's one person that dies...so like I said don't lynch me.

I'll be back to start talking about suspects and all that good stuff. That's all I'll say further on the matter as there's more important things to get onto. You either trust me or you don't, if you decide you don't it'll be your own fault.

[Rikae]

One more thing:


And why bother apologizing for your mistake when it comes to Celuien? You voted for Volo, approving his lynching. If you really feel the need to apologize, why not apologize for your suspicion of Volo? Just doesn't make much sense to me.

I wasn't "apologizing for suspecting Cel". I saying she was my only lead last night and now I'm confused.
As for Volo, it was him or Boro when I came back from school. If Boro's the hunter, I made the best choice open to me.

[Durelin]

There was nothing saying you could only vote for those two...

[Rikae]

As I understand it, there were still retractable votes out there; Boro could still have been lynched.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Although I do find your first point against Rikae interesting and find that it might have some merit, I also find that you are taking this thing about Rikae's appologise a bit too far. (Durelin)

I think it is great that you pay atention to the small things, but this seems to be going a bit overboard. I know that when I find out that people I have suspected are indeed innocent, then I feel bad and want to appologise. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, so for me it does not seem like a particular suspiciouse thing to do, just a thing one sometimes do.

anyways I will leave you all in a bit and return when I have had some sleep. . . .I have a lot I need to work out about certain people.

[Rikae]

As promised...my list; and then to bed.

Durelin - She seems sincere; I get the feeling she's an ordo.
Thinlómien - not giving off a "different" vibe that I can see. She is a bit quieter than usual, but I trust her for now.
Kath - Always makes me vaguely uneasy; I'm beginning to think it's just her style.
Rune son of Bjarne - Can't be sure. Possiblly gifted or fanged?
Boromir88 - I'll trust him for now; in the future we'll see.
Mithalwen - She seems quite honest. I don't suspect her.
Lalwendë - She seems the same as last game; since she's so new, I doubt she would seem that way if she were evil.
Farael – Making me more and more uneasy. There is something forced about his posts I don't like.
Naria - Nothing to say.
Anguirel - Like I said, seems to be a bit too slippery.
Mormegil – Posting too little for Morm; suspicious.
Firefoot - Seemed to be "talking a lot and saying little" on day one, but today seems to be saying more of substance, and therefore less suspicious.
Eomer - Possible wolf flying under the radar.
Gil-Galad - Paranoid and loopy, but feels innocentish.

Top suspects: Farael, Anguirel, Morm.

[Durelin]

Eh, I don't want to leave everyone too bored, so...

++Rikae

[mormegil]

Yes that is right Morm, I only write things I do not belive. . . .I can honestly say that I did not see Boro's, post before it was linked and what I wrote was my emidiate thoughts on the subject.

anyways, this is totaly unimportant and not a sign of suspicion, but there was a part of your post I did not understand.

However, I've decided not to over analyze things anymore and lately it has served me well.

What did you mean by this, I cannot see the conection between this and what you said about voting me and I am just wondering if I missed something. (I hate not knowing what people talk about)


What I was talking about here is my approach to WW. Recently I decided to follow my instincts more. I used to analyze the minutia and get hung up on the minutia, now I just read flow and get a feel of the environment at the macro level and spot anomalies at that point. Something doesn't feel right with you. To be fair you seem to have taken over, to a degree, what Kath used to be for me...my perennial suspect. I'm a bit biased when it comes to you and my instincts may be wrong accordingly.

Reading Rikae does make me suspicious of her. Admittedly one of the reasons, not the only one mind you, is the way she listed you in her suspect list.

Rune son of Bjarne - Can't be sure. Possiblly gifted or fanged?

This is the kind of behavior that I've seen numerous times from lycanthropic cohorts. The, "well he may be guilty or innocent, I'm just not sure" talk. It's too wishy-washy for my tastes. Most wolves aren't in the business of attacking their fellows, though there are some amongst us who would and have done so I don't believe Rikae to be one of them.

She also concerns me for her concern over the fact that I'm not posting much. I stated prior to the game ever starting that I would be posting much less than normal and you acknowledged it. Now you are trying to use it against me. I have yet to read all of yesterday's post (sorry I started a new PC game and am spending way too much time on that and work is busy) but out of what I have seen this seems to be the truth.

Boro, I doubt he's guilty. I tend to trust him.

Firefoot and others who haven't played with Farael, this is par for the course. He is behaving rather normally, which is find something rather small and persue it doggedly to the bitter end. He has been correct but often his suspicions this early prove wrong. The problem is, if I remember correctly, he has been a wolf and behaved very similarly.

[Thinlómien]

This is the kind of behavior that I've seen numerous times from lycanthropic cohorts. The, "well he may be guilty or innocent, I'm just not sure" talk. It's too wishy-washy for my tastes. I think you mis-interpret Rikae. She's not saying, "might be guilty, might be innocent", she's saying (IMO) that Rune seems to have a special role, good or bad. As it's known from experience, it's sometimes tricky to see the difference between gifteds and wolves; both may seem jumpy. What bothers me in her statement, is that she openly speculates about gifteds. Why would an innocent villager try to give wolves any ideas of the gifted's identities ie help the wolves in their who's gifted-speculation...? If I was an innocent Rikae and suspected that Rune's either gifted/fanged, I'd phrase it differently, for the village's sake, and wouldn't mention the gifteds at all. Either she's a rash innocent or a wolf or a cobbler.

Rikae seems always a bit too eager to launch a campaign against Ang after she's been accused to take the attention away from herself, but actually an innocent person could do that too. (That's wishy-washy for you, morm, I guess :D and that's what is called the (in)famous Lommy-flipflopping - however I personally think it's just thinking aloud and not single-mindedly concentrating on one aspect and forgetting the others. :p)

Overall, Rikae certainly needs to be watched.

I also suspect morm slightly. If there was a slip-under-the-radar-mormegil, it would be him in this game. He's much more quiet and - if I may say without offending - much less aggressive than usual.

As to the dagger guy... I think s/he's on our side, but s/he's a bit tricky since s/he seems to have a "license to kill". ;) I think that clearly shows from the narration, s/he sees that Cel did not transform to a wolf, wouldn't that mean s/he was after wolves? But we can't known if s/he has unlimited license to kill, only Night1 license to kill or just one license to kill to use whenever s/he wants. I personally think the night1-thing most probable: this game would turn into mindless slaughtering, if s/he had unlimited license to kill + s/he'd have too much power and if s/he had just one kill to use whenever s/he will, I doubt s/he would have wanted to use it on Night2, when there's but the posts of one day to support your decidions, unless s/he was under serious murder/lynch threat.

Those are the first thoughts that popped to my head, unfortunately I must go now (since my speech lessons' feedback awaits and then I'll move from school to Noggie's place), but it will be only 2 hours at maximum that you'll have to wait for the return of my shiningly sheepish presence!

[Lalwendë]

So far I've not seen Gil doing anything odd today so my vote from last time may change. But once a funny feeling is there, it never goes away entirely, so I will keep watching I think.

Right now I'm suspicious of Durelin's sense of certainty. This is what happened on the first day, suspicions began and then a rollercoaster set in and we ended up lynching an innocent, one who I pointed out was far too 'clearly' suspicious. I will look again I think at the origins of Volo's lynching and see if I can work out who was the instigator. The other thing here is that Durelin suspects Rikae for suspecting Celuien at first - I think she was just making a stab in the dark because she's being analytical today (unlike yesterday when none of us had anything to go on).

One person is slightly weird today and that's Morm. Is he being honest that he's trying a new approach? Or is it because he has a 'special' role? Even though I don't know what he's usually like (verbose I presume) the very fact that he says he has 'changed' is odd. Glad he's more talkative though.

I'm pondering Boro, not as a suspect but for his strategy which is risky. Whether he is a Hunter or not is by the by I think as he has put the seed of that possibility into people's minds; it may bring him protection but as time goes on, if we don't get the wolves it might make the rest of us who manage to stay alive get increasingly suspicious. And if he's not the Hunter and the real Hunter stays alive that long, he or she may start up a lynch mob against Boro as the struggle to live becomes more desperate. Interesting. He's not a suspect yet, but he's certainly an enigma.

Who did this stabbing in the dark thing to poor Celuien? Lommy ruminates on this one. Is it mere accident that she is the first to do it at length? Everyone's shied away from any mention of it til now. Or is Rikae the villager with the golden dagger? Had she felt railroaded into changing her original vote for Celuien after Volo turned out to be innocent? More importantly, is all this trying to work out the golden dagger owner is a big distraction?

[Nogrod]

Sadly Naria will not be able to play the game. She will be removed from the lists.

She would have been an ordinary Villager...

[Thinlómien]

Sadly Naria will not be able to play the game. She will be removed from the lists.
She would have been an ordinary Villager.. :(

More importantly, is all this trying to work out the golden dagger owner is a big distraction?Even if it's not intended as one, it might become one. I think no one should concentrate on it too much. (In my opinion it can be discussed as long as it does not rob the attention from catching the wolves.) I think next night will show more about it.

Now, I'm off to read the this day through properly, hopefully a longer and more insightful post will follow. :)

[Mithalwen]

I'm here - will be back for longer later but this is not great .. Day 2 and we have lost a quarter of the village ...... Interesting choice of kills.... and I do want to trust Boro but having bawled out Farael in another place on the counterproductiveness of declaring as Hunter, I have been fretting that I made a mistake... however I really hope not...

[Thinlómien]

First off, I'm pretty a bit worried with the situation. 13 people, of who three are wolves. Not very bad for us yet, but as wolves get two kills per night and we keep lynching innocents, we might find ourselves dead sooner than we anticipated. As soon as we've got rid of one lycanthrope, we can take this easier: our doom will approach much more slowly, and in principle the numbers are in our side. (Original 19 players, which of innocents 16 and wolves 3; basicly pretty easy ww-situation for the good guys.)

Secondly, though last day there was plenty of talk, I still encourage people to speak up. I'd especially like to hear more from Eomer and Gil-Galad.

(You might notice I have an obsession to keep repeating what Roa_Aoife and Nogrod say, but she's killed and he's modding, so someone must keep reminding about these things. ;))

~*~

I agree with those who say Roa was killed because of her skills as a ww-player. Her powers of analysis are well known. Also, it occured to me, that she was pretty vocal, and she usually gets even more vocal when the game proceeds and that might be a little add to the reasons to kill her - for some persons. I know there are people (morm for example), who dislike reading hordes of pages of ww and to whose killing an analytical and intelligent villager who tends to have pretty much power in the village and who floods the thread. Who knows.

Mac then. Well, he's known to be an intelligent and helpful villager too. And he's also something who could be called a "secondary intellect" (forgive me for the choice of words ;)) and thus the wolves might have expected him to be less probably protected (being less obvious wolf kill) and thus just he's dead. It also might be that the villagers normally considered "great players" are wolves and they're trying to kill intelligent people who are not easily lead/deceived out of the way. For such a kill Mac is ideal.

It also might have been that Mac and/or Roa were killed because of their opinions. The wolves might want to eliminate the villagers who don't think the way they do or who suspect them to silence them. And then there's the possibility of a frame-up (though there's no seer in the game), of course. Now that I've gone through all the possible reasons that come to my mind, I can conclude that the first ones I came up with both of the dead separately are the ones I believe in. Thus I also conclude, that we shouldn't dwell on their deaths anymore (haha, I'm well aware of showing you bad example myself), before there's been more kills and we can see a pattern, if there's one.

~*~

The word I would use to describe her [Lommy] is “happy” – or maybe “light-hearted” would be better… I bet that's only because the over-abusing of smilies... :)

Kath - Always makes me vaguely uneasy; I'm beginning to think it's just her style.Believe me, it well might be. I feel just the same!

~*~

The one thing that struck me about him was that he was the first one to really go after Volo and was the first one to vote for him (at a time when numerous other people had votes), but as the Day drew to a close, he backed off of this suspicion. This to me seems very much like a wolf, basically fobbing his vote off on an innocent (who did, admittedly, appear very wolvish) whom he figured would not be lynched. He’s definitely on my more suspicious list.That is well perceived, and I agree it seems a bit fishy... *adds Ang to the "to be watched" category*

Durelin seems pretty quick to attack Rikae. It makes me feel uneasy about her. When little suspicion for Rikae appears, she's eager to jump on and bring up new points against her. Of course an innocent with some existing suspicions would get extra boost from others agreeing with her, but Durelin's a bit too uncautious...

b) Voting for “a random person, probably Durelin” is a contradiction. [But is it really? Random just means he chose for no real reason; it doesn't mean he didn't choose yet. Actually, choosing early makes it more likely to be random.]There's two possibilities to define "random vote" in ww, and it always makes people confused. The first is that it's random, you cast dic etc. The second way to make a "random" vote is to choose someone for a stupid or intentionally unreasonable reason, for example "I don't like her occupation" or "he got me killed in the last game" or "he's Nilp" or "she used the word 'pancake' ". Volo apparently meant the latter one, and Anguirel understood "random vote" to mean the previous one and that's why he attacked him. Or that's how I see the situation.

I'm inclined to believe Boro's claim for a few days. Ruling someone partly out from the suspect list really helps, a bluff like that would be a bit too bold (maybe) and I trust my gut feeling. Last autumn, Boro was twice or thrice a wolf and everytime I got vague "bad feelings" about him, and that didn't happen when he was innocent. I'm not getting "bad feelings" from him right now, so I'm inclined to concentrate on other people for now.

EDIT: xed with Mith

[Thinlómien]

I don't think he should be trusted. Last game, Holbywolf kept voting me single-mindedly (like Farael seems to start doing now) and she managed slipping under the radar beautifully. People started to disregard her votes ("oh, it's just the regular Lommy-vote") and she managed to avoid analysis (which usually follows the lynch-bandwagons). Speaking of which, I'm very surprised no one has yet attacked yesterday's Volo-voters screaming that wolves hide in bandwagons... :rolleyes: ;)

[Thinlómien]

I decided to make something summary-ish.

Might be innocent
Mith - I've no reason to suspect her this far.
Boro - as I said, I'm inclined to believe him innocent.

Middle zone
Kath - the more I think of it, the more I become convinced she's actually innocent and I suspected her yesterday just because of her general playing style... Anyway, I'd like to hear more from her before making any solid conclusions.
Rune - he's just like he's normally and doesn't make me particularly suspicious, but I'm aware I might trust him on too futile grounds... It's pretty difficult to form a proper picture of him.
Gil - basicly, I can't say anything about him, but he's pretty normal. Speak up, Gil, even if you have schoolwork, so have many other people! :)
Firefoot - I myself see no particular reason to suspect her. Good points have been made against her by others anyway, so I can't banish the thought there might be something wrong with her after all.

Wary of
Lal - there's something in her or in her general attitude that doesn't sit right with me. I don't know what it is or why it makes me feel uneasy, but I just think it's better not to trust her too much. (And no one else either, for that matter. :rolleyes: )
Eomer - like always, he seems a bit suspicious. I'd like to hear more of him.
Rikae - I agree she seems a bit suspicious and she does some things that make me uneasy, but she also makes things that make me think she's innocent. Anyway, she's more on the bad side in my opinion.

Fish
Durelin - too eager to attack Rikae, also there's something evil about her that I can't put my finger on.
Farael - see my previous post. I know he tends to be weird, but I like it more when he's vocal, full of theories and weird than this slip-under-the-radar-ish single-minded weirdness.
Ang - also vaguely suspicious. Despite her own suspiciousness, Durelin makes me think there's something wrong with him.
morm - I still think he's as close as someone with his personality and reputation can get to slip-under-the-radar.

I don't think anyone on the last category overtly suspicious. The more I play werewolf, the less assured I generally become about my suspects. (Ang, don't say anything about the last game, it was an exception. :p) The wolves - whoever they are - are hiding their furs quite well: there are no "obvious wolves".

I don't even think that all the three wolves are some Durelin+Anguirel+Farael+morm -combo, but I think some of them might be wolf/wolves; they are the ones that look most suspicious to me right now. So: if you asked me "who are the wolves?", I couldn't answer, but if you asked me "who are wolvish?" I'd answer with the names I just mentioned. Hopefully this makes some sense, because I can't explain it better than that.

[Mithalwen]

Lom the wolves seem to have 3 kill per night ......

I am interested by the choices... and wonder if each wolf got a free choice or if this was a group decision. I know that wolves sometimes go for quiet folk on night one to give few clues ... this clearly wasn't the case.... so I do wonder if there isn't at least one wolf among the Day 1 quiet folk. I know Gil, Morm and Kath cite RL but that doesn't mean they are automatically innocent. So the wolves picked folk they were scared of .... Celuien tends to have very reliable instincts and she seldom attracts suspicion so you can see why wolves would want her out of the way.

Roa is a slightly different case. While she is one of the most tactically aware players she is also someone who is more likely to attract suspicion simply because she can be so convincing as a wolf. The wolves obviously wanted her out of the way immediately rather than hoping to engineer a lynch. So was Roa on to something? And who did the rangers protect I wonder... Day one needs to be looked at in these terms I think.

BTW I have started removing my sig to save space on a long thread.. might make (re)reading easier...

[Thinlómien]

Lom the wolves seem to have 3 kill per night ......I disagree; I interpreted the three deaths the way that they (wolves) have two and that there's a mysterious golden dagger -person (who's on the village's side), that has a license to kill, or at least one had one last night.


BTW I have started removing my sig to save space on a long thread.. might make (re)reading easier...Have you? :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

There is obviously confusion about the roles. It seems as though there is a villager with a free kill, sort of like a good Werebear; but I have been presuming there is a Seer too.

[Mithalwen]

Yes Lommy :o .. I just got distracted by something you said about Lalwende and have been checking it out.


I had a impression that we hadn't heard much from her and yet I looked at the lists and saw she had posted a lot. Then I checked out her posts and they are not insubstantial as such but not actually giving anything of herself away. So much vote monitoring that I had to check her role to make sure she wasn't a pollster or statistician. Her earlier posts are all comments on others' opinions it seems rather than her own. In other places, seeming super helpful people have turned out to be wolves making their presence felt wihtout giving anything away.

This ringing major alarm bells and she is now my prime suspect. I should be around later almost to the end so I don't have to vote now .. want to do more reading and obviously Lalwende should be around more later...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If the wolves presumed there was a Seer it is worth noting that they took out two Gil-Galad voters. Macalaure also went after Rune strongly at the start but then cooled off towards the end of the day.

If they just went for them because they are clever and were making sense then it doesn't tell us much.

I'm surprised Roa wasn't protected: she seemed to have gained trust very early on.

[Mithalwen]

I disagree; I interpreted the three deaths the way that they (wolves) have two and that there's a mysterious golden dagger -person (who's on the village's side), that has a license to kill, or at least one had one last night.




Oh well I suppose I thought that was the hunter .... and may give a different perspective on the kills .. fact is though 3 innocents are still dead... so the situation isn't that much better...

[Mithalwen]

If the wolves presumed there was a Seer ....I'm surprised Roa wasn't protected: she seemed to have gained trust very early on.


I am suprised Roa wasn't protected too .. unless the Rangers cannot protect against this golden dagger bod.... it GDB is a (currently misguided avenging angel rataher than the hunter)

[Thinlómien]

I'm surprised Roa wasn't protected: she seemed to have gained trust very early on.The only explanation I can come up with it is that all the rangers wanted to spread the protection and everyone assumed someone else was protecting Roa...

Why do you think the wolves would think there was a seer? I think Nogrod quite clearly hinted that there was to be no seer, and if you think it from the mod's point of view, wouldn't the villagers be too overpowered with a seer and three rangers?

edit: xed with Mith x2

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Where did Nogrod hint that? Without a Seer there's practically nothing to go on.

[Mithalwen]

Of course with 3 rangers the wolves may have gone for "people they would like out of the way but weren't yet conspicuous enough for protection".. that makes the choices more logical ....

I guess if a/the rangers trusted Boro they might have protected him since a hunter kill at this stage is more likely to be wrong and unwittingly help the wolves.

And on the subject of Boro I did wonder if I might inadvertantly have given the impression that I knew for certain about his innocence when I defended him... my actions were based on instinct not fact.....

[Mithalwen]

Where did Nogrod hint that? Without a Seer there's practically nothing to go on.


I think it was when he was discussing the ideas for the game.... way back..

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Wolves don't know that for sure, though. So perhaps they were going for a possible Seer. Maybe a long-shot.

[Mithalwen]

Well yes because whatever the role of GDB, there are 2 other gifted we have no clues on... or do we...

[Thinlómien]

Well yes because whatever the role of GDB, there are 2 other gifted we have no clues on... or do we...Right, and another of them is evil, unless I've misunderstood something.

I'll go to study spanish, I'll be back sometime later toDay.

[Lalwendë]

This ringing major alarm bells and she is now my prime suspect. I should be around later almost to the end so I don't have to vote now .. want to do more reading and obviously Lalwende should be around more later...

I have been here all along my dear. ;)

I was adding up votes because I was getting very excited about being in my first really big game, and I'm one of those sad saps who stays up on election nights watching the incoming results and the Swingometer (with lots of beer, like it's a sport...). Psephology. The horrible thing is, I've been getting worried that someone would start suspecting me because of butting in to Mac's 'thing' on the last 'Day' with the stats and now he's dead! I'm in two minds now about posting the (clumsy) analyses of the odds that I'd figured out this morning :(

Or, is this a turnaround strategy from Mithalwen after I mentioned late on Day One that her vociferous support of Boro was very noticeable? ;) Now I did suspect that something was very fishy indeed about this. It was so upfront that it went beyond bluffing. I suspected that Mithalwen could have been one of the Rangers at first, defending Boro (which made me feel at ease last Night because I'm still not onboard with that anti-Boro bandwagon), but now I am beginning to think that Mithalwen may be some kind of Cobbler? That would not necessarily mean Boro was a Wolf, but Mithalwen might think he is?

Now I'm seriously confused. I might go and get my marmalade sandwich and ponder some more.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Scenario: Wolf Gil-Galad, much to the evil-doers displeasure, is harrassed on Day One. He gets quite close to being lynched. The other wolves know the slayings of Roa and Macalaure will point to Gil but they accept that the village will probably want to lynch him sooner or later; and so they kill a couple of Gil voters in the hope that one is a Seer.

[Kath]

Why do you think the wolves would think there was a seer? I think Nogrod quite clearly hinted that there was to be no seer, and if you think it from the mod's point of view, wouldn't the villagers be too overpowered with a seer and three rangers?
It's possible that the inclusion of whatever this role is where someone has, as you say Lommy, 'a license to kill' might even that out, as with both Hunter and apparently this one there is always the chance of killing an innocent villager. We know there are three Rangers and three 'others'. Boro is telling us one of those 'other' roles is a Hunter, another is the one with the golden dagger ... what's the third? Do we have any clues from the narration? Since it doesn't appear that we do we can only speculate, but there is nothing to say that we don't have a Seer either. Would certainly be helpful!

I don't have a huge amount of time right now so I'm going to give my opinions on the villagers and then hop off. I will be back later and will be around for the end of the Day so I'll not vote yet.

Lommy - is floodposting with such glee that I don't think she can be a wolf. If she were I get the feeling that she would be more careful over what she was saying and so post far less frequently.

Rune

Boro - well we have his assurances that he is the Hunter. No one else has come forth to deny this and it is a role that benefits the village more from being out in the open, so I am going to believe him.

Mith - feels innocent to me. There is none of the over-defensiveness or mild panicking that usually accompanies her posts when she is anything but an ordo. Also, if she had any role I don't believe she would be so confused over all the others.

Lal - I think is still finding her feet. She was overly defensive at first but she has been coming up with her own theories and has been quite decisive. If Lal was a wolf this would be her first time and I don't believe she would be so confident.

Farael - seems to be playing in his usual style. Slight problem there as his usual style is the same whether he's innocent or guilty. He almost feels less agressive than usual though, so perhaps he is doing what I thought Lommy might if she were a wolf and is playing it slightly safe. I'll look back at him later.

morm - I love this new playing style! I don't suspect him at all at the moment, but that's actually because I feel to have barely heard from him, which is not something I am used to with him. When I come back I'll look through the thread to make sure that's just a feeling and not actually the truth.

Gil - ah Gil, it has been a while since I've played with him and he does seem amazingly more into the game than I recall. It makes me really not want to lynch him, but it also makes me quite suspicious. I can believe that he has a role, I don't know which side it's for.

These are the people I can't get a handle on at the moment:
Durelin
Rikae
Eomer
Ang

So, when I return, I will take a good look at those four as well as morm and Farael, and probably Gil.

EDIT: Cross-posted with about half a page of people.

[Lalwendë]

Scenario: Wolf Gil-Galad, much to the evil-doers displeasure, is harrassed on Day One. He gets quite close to being lynched. The other wolves know the slayings of Roa and Macalaure will point to Gil but they accept that the village will probably want to lynch him sooner or later; and so they kill a couple of Gil voters in the hope that one is a Seer.

I was a Gil voter, and I'm still keeping an eye on him as I've already said this morning, and oddly I've come under some suspicion today for things that aren't weird in any way. If it's the same group going after his voters, then this would show up in some of the names who voted for Volo (or even Boro?) yesterday?

Anguirel also voted for Gil - notably changing at the last minute. Watch it, Ang, I note that Lommy who was picking me apart was also looking at you!

I'm waiting for the lynch mob to descend now. :eek:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My problem seems to be that I have come in to this case baised. . . I have had a tendency to be suspiciouse of the same people as I have been in previouse games. . .and being sympathetic towards people I have had some sort of connection with in other games (or on other threads) and it is troubles ome. Because as I try not to be baised I risk closing my eyse for the people I normaly suspect and be overly suspiciouse of people just because I feel good about them.

So I am split between if I should search through my "feel good list" or my "feel bad list". . . .

Now Gil has been a subject of attention today and I must say that he has gotten a bit of my attention as well. He has not posted much, but that is what could be expected and he did warn us of thise, what bothers me is that he seems to lack the controvercie that normaly gathers around him. This makes me un-easy and think that he for once is actually trying to stay alive for as long as possible. He may be a wolf and I might end up voting for him, it is too early to say now. . . .

[Lalwendë]

I won't be dissuaded from doing an analysis which is what I enjoy.

Yesterday's Votes
Gil
Durelin, Anguirel (x-ed from Volo), Roa, Me, Mac

Boro
Gil, Kath, Volo

Volo
Mithalwen, Farael, Eomer, Morm, Celuien (x-ed from Naria), Firefoot (x-ed from Boro), Rikae (x-ed from Anguirel)

Dead
Volo - lynched
Mac - slain
Roa - slain
Celuien - stabbed

Mac and Roa were both Gil voters. I think we were all dodgy about the way Volo got set about by the mob too, with Anguirel changing at a late stage. Nobody here seems much in cahoots aside from a feeling that Volo was being so over the top he couldn't possibly be a wolf. Incidentally, there's an interesting game dynamic of those who believe in outright 'honesty' and those who suspect it as bluster.

Volo came in all guns blazing and he was an easy target really. A blameless lynch? I'm not so sure today. There have to have been, statistically speaking, some innocents involved in voting for him. With seven votes, we can take away Celuien leaving six votes. Would all of the wolves go for one lynch? Has that ever happened? There are a fair few names in here that have not as yet raised any suspicions with me. Mithalwen and Morm I have already mentioned as raising doubts for the first time today, and I have been considering Farael but there's nothing much to go on yet. I doubt Eomer would be silly enough to raise this notion if he was a Wolf. Or would he? Bearing in mind I am new to this? Of course Celuien was innocent. That Rikae switched from Anguirel suggests she was swept along as if she had been in this 'camp' she'd just have stuck with Anguirel, him being an enemy. But Firefoot is interesting as she switches from the Volo-lynch-camp rival, Boro. So from this I deduct Mithalwen, Morm, Firefoot as definitely fishy and Farael worth a second look. If Gil is a wolf then we have a list of five there, which narrows the odds.

[Thinlómien]

So I am split between if I should search through my "feel good list" or my "feel bad list". . . . Poor Rune, I feel the same way and it's horrible, fortunately I've almost got over it toDay. (Yes, Rune was on my sympathising-list... :rolleyes: )

Lalwendë, because of the few posts you've made during my absence I feel less uneasy about you. But I didn't quite get what you were saying in #234... :(

~*~

Now, about the special roles
On the admin thread, all quotes by Modgrod
There will be three additional characters that may benefit the village or the wolves, depending on their luck and judgement.
Of those three at least yet undisclosed characters:

One of them would be new to this game. At least I haven't seen one like that before. The two others would be more familiar, but with a little twist. One of them might have some real influence on how the things turn out, another one would have her/his share over the fortunes of the village and with the third one everything would be a bit more subtle. My initial idea was and is that I would not disclose these roles to you before the game but that you might get some hints / revelations through the Nightly narrations about them.

Of those three undisclosed ones two would basically be on the side of the villagers and one on the side of the wolves. They could all benefit the cause they are fighting for but they could also harm their cause. The one being on the wolves' side would not be counted as a wolf but as a villager in the last Days tally, but would win along with the wolves if they win.

So, with these quotes, Boro's revealment and the narrational hints I think the three mysterious roles are:
1) Some sort of hunter = Boro - on the village's side.
2) The golden dagger guy who has (at least to some extent) a license to kill - on the village's side, probably both the one who has "influence" and the "new one" (referring to Nogrod's words about the roles in the admin thread).
3) Some version of/ a sort of cobbler - on the wolves' side.

~*~
Back to spanish, but again, I'll be back.

[Anguirel]

To recover from such a hideous Night, we really need to look for wolves. That means no theorising about a Seer who certainly does not exist - one of the main experimental points of this game was to see how well multiple Rangers could function without a Seer, I think. We need to concentrate on the crux of the problem.

At least we have many known innocents - Macalaure, Roa, Celuien, Volo and pretty much Boro too (I also see no reason to challenge his status as the hunter.) On the minus side, Celuien's death almost certainly doesn't lead back to a wolf. If this dagger-wielder insists on leaving corpses with useless trails like that one, they could be a real hindrance. Let's hope, as Thinlomien guessed, that they have only one kill.

I will post what I think about the votes as soon as poss; they are probably our most useful fund of information. For the record, I'm inclined to think Gil-Galad innocent too. I'm not at all sure that a single wolf came under serious threat last night.

One interesting thing to observe is that yesterday the general mood seemed to be that Firefoot was suspicious. By this morning the general mood veers towards me, I get the feeling. Durelin was a loud proponent of both causes. Hmmm.

[Gil-Galad]

i am inclined to Thinlomiens posiston of Fareal using that method to slip under the radar...

without any other suspicons( i'm such a loving guy sometimes) i must submit my vote



++Fareal

[Lalwendë]

Lalwendë, because of the few posts you've made during my absence I feel less uneasy about you. But I didn't quite get what you were saying in #234...

I was speculating on what Eomer observed, looking at the patterns of behaviour against or pro those who voted for Gil yesterday. Doing that little analysis though, I've realised you are probably not one of the ones who may or may not be in the group acting against Gil voters. Farael is in this group seemingly, without going deeper into his posts, and yet he is quite vehemently against you, Lommy. Why would he bluff to that extent? It would just make any plot far too baroque and complex.

I think you are right on those roles, especially going by Nogrod's narration as the day began. All this speculation on what they might be is smokescreening as it seems more or less clear, all apart from which side everyone is on for sure and how much people know about who has what role. And what purpose does it serve if we root out Rangers? It would only help the wolves. I think it would be safer too for the Hunter and the dagger person to remain quiet, even if whoever has this dagger is a bit scary as it's like having a lynch opportunity that's not subject to a vote so we're all vulnerable if they get it wrong. :eek:

[Rikae]

I have a few minutes before school.

To what Lommy said:
I was under the impression that the golden dagger guy was the hunter with a twist; most likely Boro. One reason is that list of three names he made before going out to kill Celuien; the other is the fact that he picked Celuien to kill. We know Boro suspected her.

That means we have two other secret roles. I think you're right that one would be on the side of the wolves; Boro's could either harm or help the village, so I'm guessing the third is an information-gathering role; possibly some kind of weaver?

I see Durelin voted for me, which makes her look less innocent; her attacks were based largely on misinterpretations of my posts or merely on the fact that I asked questions about the wolf-kills. Her case against me doesn't seem logical, and she still sticks to it.

Morm, if you're referring to my "I heard that" comment, it was a reference to the last game we played together, as well as to a TV show (apparently no one's seen). The implication was that you were alluding to me and my "floodposting". At any rate, it isn't just that you're posts have been few; it's that you aren't stirring up controversy the way I've seen you do in the past.

I'll be back after school to catch up.I'll cast a vote now, but could very well change it at the end of the day.

++Mormegil

EDIT: Crossed with Ang, Gil and Lal.

[Anguirel]

Rikae, while I still think this is a side issue, the villager with the quill and the villager with the dagger were definitely different people in the narration.

If you ask me, we have:

Hunter of some kind, involving a list -voila, Boro
Knife-wielding maniac, may or may not have just one kill
And a Cobbleresque nasty, who I personally suspect is Thinlomien, purely because she keeps talking about these issues and leaving less time for wolf-hunting.

Why I'm bothering with this is to emphasise my conviction that we have no Seer, Weaver or information gathering role. We really are on our own, I think, boys and girls.

Now to the votes...

[Rikae]

OK, I went back and reread the narration and you're right, Ang.
Wishful thinking on my part, I guess.

[mormegil]

Something else I've observed in my catch up reading is I'm in agreement with Firefoot (I believe it was her) about Lommy. She seems too happy. I feel a sense of over confidence there with her. It's almost as if she really doesn't care what happens during the day because she's not going to die. This is s common wolf mistake and Nogrod discovered me thusly once. Lommy is simply too confident!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

As such I do not have any great theory. . .so everything is as it normaly is, but after a lot of reading and dividing people in to groups I have come up with some names of people that makes me un-easy.

Durelin
Mithlawen
Gil-Galad

Durelin: Has seemed very eager to throw accusations around and at times pursuing a cause, even if it is the smallest of things. I am of course talking about when she got very caught up about Rikae's appology. It is alright that she felt that it was weird and started to think about it, but she pursued it as if it was a thing that would naturally reveal a wolf. I have always found "clinging to straws" to be very suspicouse and that is what I think Durelin did in this case, it has to be mentioned that there were more to her case, but she seemed to forget about that as soon as Rikae tried to explain her self.

Mithlawen: Is a person I have hughe doubts about, she is on my "feel good list" but I have no explaination for it. Reading through her posts has not provided me with an answer, in fact she has often left me confused after reading one of her posts. The one thing that speaks for her innocens in my view is her confusion over the roles, it was very convinsing and did not seem like an act from a wolf.

Gil-Galad: It is as I said before: Gil seemed like he wanted to survive, although his latest post was kind of weird. Anyways, before that post he has acted somewhat different from the innocent Gil that I have expirienced before. It is not much of a case, but enought for me to consider voting for him.

oh yeah and then there is Firefoot I really don't have a case at all against her, I just get a weird feel when reading over her posts. I suppose it is her case against Rikae, I don't really agree with most of what she says and that might me un-easy about her. She is however not likely to attract my vote today, as I feel a lot stronger about the others and this is just a small "weirdness"

[Boromir88]

For today, Lalwende, Anguirel, and mormegil all look pretty innocent to me. And I see no reason to vote for one of them. I feel pretty safe about Eomer so far as well.

I am particularly suspicious of Mithalwen and Firefoot who have been pretty quick to butter-up to me. Firefoot wanted me lynched, than suddenly changed and unconditionally accepted me as the hunter. Kind of odd, it came off to me as 'Oh you're the hunter. I'm sorry, time to change.' I would hope all the innocents can trust me, but I know that's virtually going to be impossible until some sort of proof can be provided. Therefore, those who are willing to trust me and yet approach with a bit of cautiousness (Lal, Rikae, anyone else I've missed?) Seem to me to be innocent.

Mithalwen I think looks worse than Firefoot, I really can't explain this outright staunch defense of me. It would be a bad thing for me to be lynched, but she was staunchly at my side even before I revealed I was the hunter. Looks like a wolf that's trying to get connected to an innocent. I believe it was Ang who said that Mith brought in this 'air of freshness.' One which at the time I agreed with, but that 'air of freshness' can be a dangerous weapon for a wolf; who can look fair but really be foul.

I'll be back to weigh in on everyone else (as I've kind of left those that I don't understand at this point). I will say Thinlo, there's no more need for us to dwell on the golden dagger, let us do our job, hopefully it will be good...if not than we have failed. But in the mean time let's do the job at hand, which is lynch wolves.

edit: x-posted with morm and Rune

[Lalwendë]

As the day has progressed I've found I'm now looking at Farael, Firefoot, Gil, Mithalwen and Mormegil. That Gil voted for Farael only adds to my suspicions as that would be a perfect cover-up following my ruminations. Plus I'm getting much more trust in what Boro says and he was the one laid out by Gil originally. Gil also went after Mac right at the beginning which adds up.


Perhaps the reason Farael went after Lommy is because either he or Lommy is one of those who simply cannot be a baddie - not all of the people I've identified as suspicious can be baddies, statistically speaking. Or perhaps the plot really is that baroque and it is indeed a smokescreen to hide them being in cahoots? I have the feeling that one of them might cop for it from the village because this is all so fishy.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Even though it seems like there would be a greater chance of getting Mith lynched than any other of my "suspects", I still find Durelin more suspicouse and will vote for her.

I will leave in 20 min. and not able to change my vote after that time, so unless something comes up that is how my vote will stay.

++Durelin

[Kath]

Huh, turns out I missed Firefoot off my list of villagers earlier, so my apologies to her. She's on the 'can't get a feel on her' part of the list so I'll be taking a look at her too.

These aren't going to be in depth analyses by the way. I've decided to take a break from doing those because I'm doing far too many of them in RL!

Durelin
Nonsensical first post. Suspicion of Firefoot and Gil, think Volo and Boro innocent. Votes Gil even though she seems more suspicious of Gil. Refuses to protect Boro by lynching Volo since she's not suspicious of him, principles are good I guess. Now seems to be developing some suspicion of Volo, and thinks Rikae and Firefoot are wolves - no reason though.

Rikae
No actual decision over roles of either Mac or Lommy. Bit odd for a first post, most people just shout a suspicion and go. Talks a lot about the roles, but so did everyone at the time. Nothing very concrete, and seems to contradict herself a bit. Could be wolvish nerves showing through. Seems to have calmed down a bit, answering accusation with reason. Thinks Ang suspicious for jumping on the Boro-Cel argument, but then she did it too. Changes vote from Ang to Volo at the last minute as a revenge vote I think. It's sort of a fair point, no one likes to be insulted, but it isn't a great basis for a vote.

Eomer
Says very little. Mentions people as having good thoughts but immediately refutes any idea of trust. Looks at the theories of others, wants Volo lynched. I'm inclined to think this innocent as this is the way he normally plays. Suspicion of Firefoot for much the same reasons as I have. Wants Mac lynched (reasons?!?) and Boro to stay alive. Some mild defence of Volo, quite a flip flop there. Votes Volo (again flips, though apparently this is to protect Boro) and suspects Firefoot and Lommy (not sure where the latter suspicion came from).

Ang
Thinks Boro innocent with reason. Again says Boro is innocent, why keep reiterating it? Talks about what others think, not many original ideas. And again defends Boro. Jumps on Volo for being suspicious, but then, he was. Some ideas coming through now, and votes Volo for what at the time seemed good reason. Tries to get Gil and Firefoot to change their votes (he really was convinced of Boro's innocence, even before the revelation) and says if he can't get Volo lynched he'll move to Mac. Not a fan of that as if you vote for someone you should really believe them guilty and not be so happy to switch. Mentions morm is a little quieter and more bloodthirsty than usual. Guess I wasn't the only one to think so. Looks for Eomer's advice. Thought to change from Volo to Mac but would only do it if Eomer did. Why the 'trust' in Eomer? Considers that Volo and Mac are both wolvish and tries to rat Mac out by getting people to vote Volo. Wrong on both accounts in the end but it was a fair theory. Wandering about all over the place - lynch or no lynch. Actually pretty innocent behaviour. Changes from Volo to Gil after Firefoot votes Volo - bit suspicious as Volo's fate was pretty much sealed by Firefoot so changing meant there was still a good chance Volo would be lynched even if he changed.

Firefoot
First poster though that needn't mean anything. Mentioned Lommy and Mac but that's probably just random Day 1 suspicion. Bit defensive actually, demanding that no one trust anyone. Yes fair point, but the style feels off. Suspicion of Gil and Boro and votes Boro for his words being too 'set up'. I think she's giving Boro too little credit, or trying to set him up herself. Changes from Boro to Volo, says she's not doing this to jump on the bandwagon, but she is so that makes no sense. Tones down the defensiveness and suspects Farael a bit, but makes some very odd points about the Hunter. Says it would be silly for the wolves to leave the Hunter alive, whereas to me it would seem silly if they didn't. If Boro can take a wolf out if they try to kill him they're probably not about to try.

Rune <-- turns out I forgot him too, doing well toDay. :rolleyes:
Mentions Mac and Gil. Mention of Mac odd as just carrying on from what others said. Role talk but as I said before, pretty normal right then. Not defensive, answers anything thrown at him calmly. Pretty pessimistic too. In fact he is very calm, is this normal behaviour for Rune? I can't recall. He strikes me as someone who would react more. Is this indicative of some kind of role? Suddenly goes defensive but I think almost out of defeat than anything else as he didn't want to suspect Mac and now, apparently, he must. Some suspicion of Farael for being 'sure', but Farael always is. Votes Mac though there's not much of a reason.

Well, from that I think Durelin and Ang are probably innocent. I was forcing myself to find suspicious things in Ang's posts and though I found some things that probably could be wolvish I don't think he is. Firefoot and Eomer I'm finding quite suspicious as they don't really have reasons for a lot of things which from Firefoot especially does look odd. Rune and Rikae flip flop so much I'm not sure what to make of them.

I'll wait a while on voting. I want to see more of what everyone says, and I still want to keep an eye on morm for a bit. He isn't hitting my radar and it's worrying me.

[Kath]

Actually no I am going to vote just in case.

++ FIREFOOT

For being overly defensive and switching when that was mentioned, and for the bandwagon thing mostly. Basically what I said in the other post.