Admin thread to WW XXX - Tol-in-Elendili - The Isle of the Were-Faithfuls

[Macalaure]

Númenor has been drowned in the floods of the breaking world, but the peak of the mountain Meneltarma still sticks out from the waters. A few of the once numerous people of the once star-shaped island were able to save their lives here, cursing the envious Valar and the cruel Ilúvatar. But then, at night, some of them seemed to have disappeared! Quickly the rumour spread: some of those dastard faithfuls have made their way up the mountain, too, and now seek to carry out their evil ways on the innocent survivors.
Up, loyal Men and Women of the King! Those who do not dare the deed to serve Melkor shall no longer do any deed anymore at all!

As you might have perceived, this be one of the games from the other perspective, where those usually considered to be good play the evil werewolves.


The cast:
Three Were-Faithfuls (common werewolves)
One High-Priest of Annatar (seer)
One Ranger (as always)
One Hunter (detailed rules about him will follow later)
Tar-Míriel (a cobbler. In opposition to canonical lore, the queen of this land did survive as well. But she is able to conceal her identity)
Eight innocent villagers or more

As you see, this will be a simple game. While it should still give enough of a thrill to experienced players, it is ideal for anybody new or long absent to the game. *hint*


This and that:
- no double-lynchings
- one retraction per day
- deadline: 9 PM GMT (to leave me time to do the narrations while I'm still able to concentrate, but the time is free for discussion)
- the real time counts, not the messed up forum time
- you may choose occupations if you want to, but it's not required


List of players:
Rikae
Roa_Aoife
Thinlómien
Nogrod
Durelin
Kitanna
the guy who be short
Gil-Galad
Legate of Amon Lanc
Holbytlass
Kath
Lalaith
Hookbill the Goomba
Garin
The Saucepan Man
Mänwe
The Might
Brinniel
Rune Son of Bjarne
Glirdan
Mithalwen
(this list is final now, no more new sign-ups)


Inevitably, I will be vaguely touching religious matters. It's not meant to offend anybody. Just take it as a mild parody. :)


PS: WW XXX sounds... funny. :D

[Roa_Aoife]

I don't mean to quivel, but oughtn't be High Priest of Anatar?

[Thinlómien]

When will you start? As soon as you have enough players? I'd love to participate, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to. :)

[Nogrod]

Modding a game is the best way to get one wishing to involve oneself in actual playing! :D

So even though I had thought of having a break here, count me in. I have to play at least one before any breaks...

The deadline is excellent and other rules / roles looked fine.

[Macalaure]

I thought about to start this weekend or early next week, in case I have my desired 15+ players til then. But the starting date is open to debate for everyone.

You're right, Roa. I changed Sauron to Annatar.

[Thinlómien]

If you're starting that early, I could maybe play... but I have a nasty habit of staying alive 'til the last days, so I'm not 100% sure... Maybe if you could count me in with a questionmark after my name?

[Roa_Aoife]

If it gets to that point, Thin, we could just kill you off. ;)

[Durelin]

I can't resist. I'm in.

So will we be taking on pr0n-star roles in this one...?

:p

[Macalaure]

More info on the hunter role

I always wondered why this role is called the hunter. I mean, he doesn't hunt anything, does he? It's really just a villager who knows how to defend himself.

Anyway.

The common hunter chooses one villager each day and night, and if the hunter is killed or lynched, he takes this person with him, be the one guilty or not. On days, this is not a problem, as even the ones who didn't vote him still stand nearby when he goes down, so the hunter can throw his poisoned javelin at a villager of his choice. At night it gets weird: The hunter is surprised in his bed by the wolves, then maybe runs away to kill another innocent in their bed, and then returns to be killed. This makes little sense. Therefore the logical hunter was invented, who, if the person of his choice is not a wolf, gets killed without a kill of his own.

In the last game Nogrod strengthened the role of the hunter and gave him a list of his worst three suspects. I liked this a lot, but I think it makes the hunter almost unkillable for the wolves late in the game, when the hunter can note down almost the whole village.


Here's what I thought of now:

A) At day, the hunter gives me an ordered list of differing size. If the hunter gets killed I check whether there is a werewolf on the list, and the one who is highest on the list gets killed. If there is no werewolf, the innocent at the top of the list is killed.

B) At night, it's the same, only that if there is no werewolf suspected by the hunter, nobody gets hurt (except the hunter himself, of course).

C) The size of the list is at most three, but also at most the size of one third of the village (rounded down). This means, when there are 9 or more villagers, the hunter may note three of them, when there are 8 to 6, it's two, when there are only 5 or less left, it's only one.

I hope I explained it in a way that is comprehensible. :rolleyes:

Your thoughts? Makes sense or doesn't? Too strong or too weak?

[Nogrod]

I hope I explained it in a way that is comprehensible. :rolleyes:

Your thoughts? Makes sense or doesn't? Too strong or too weak?That was perfectly comprehensible and applaudable.

I think your suggestion is a good one. I would say that in a fairly normal game it is within the balance: it makes the hunter logical and strengthens the role a bit making it nicer to play but doesn't automatically lead the hunter to be the deciding factor in the end.

Good.

[Thinlómien]

If it gets to that point, Thin, we could just kill you off. I believe you could. :rolleyes: And I just joked to Noggie that I should maybe ask Mac to make me a wolf and there'd be no problem of staying alive too long (see sig) ... :rolleyes: Or then I maybe should start a Nilpish way fo playing... ;)

Mac, I love the concept (Faithfuls as werewolves) and the name of this game!

[Kitanna]

I realize joining this game could prevent me from doing homework and going into work late, but I miss WW.

I'd like to join in.

[Roa_Aoife]

A) At day, the hunter gives me an ordered list of differing size. If the hunter gets killed I check whether there is a werewolf on the list, and the one who is highest on the list gets killed. If there is no werewolf, the innocent at the top of the list is killed.

I don't know about this- it's sounds a little close to an automatic wolf-kill. From a story perspective, if someone else if more suspicious to a hunter, why would they suddenly kill a player of less suspicion? If there are two innocents topping the list as suspects, does he get a sudden epiphany about the least suspicion person as he's dying that tips them to being a wolf?

At night it makes sense- he'd be prepared for the wolves in his home, and could take one down if he was suspicious. During the day, however, it should only be his highest suspect. He'd have them right there, and he'd be aiming for the one he was most convinced was a wolf, not the third person on his list. That makes the hunter a bit too over-powered, I think.

[Volo]

I sort of agree with Roa, but limiting the list to a third of the village (that doesn't make sense story-wise) would keep the Hunter at a reasonable level. I say we try it out.

(oh, I'm not playing in the game... oops.)

[Macalaure]

Well, at the threshold of death, he can see things as they really are. :p

You definitely have a point here. I will rethink this.


Something else: Should hunter and ranger be able to pm each other? If not, it is possible that the ranger and the hunter pick each other to protect/hunt the night the wolves come for the hunter. Is the hunter protected now and nothing happens, or does the hunter first slay the ranger and is killed after it? It would make an awesome narration. :D

[the guy who be short]

Count me in please.

[Roa_Aoife]

Something else: Should hunter and ranger be able to pm each other? If not, it is possible that the ranger and the hunter pick each other to protect/hunt the night the wolves come for the hunter. Is the hunter protected now and nothing happens, or does the hunter first slay the ranger and is killed after it? It would make an awesome narration. :D

A ranger protection always works that a kill is thwarted. The protectee doesn't even know that they've been targeted. That's how a ranger can act as a seer in a sense- when the Day starts, and the narration reveals that there was no kill, the ranger then knows that their protection worked, and that the person they protected is innocent. The protectee remains clueless. So, if a ranger protects a hunter whom the wolves attack, the hunter cannot die, or else it completely circumvents the point of a ranger. And if the hunter does not die, they make no kill.

As for communication between the two, I don't see why not, but it should be limited, such as only during the night, or something like that. I would not deem seer communications fair, though, since it lets a seer reveal info without being exposed, and that just removes the challenge for the village and makes it almost impossible for the wolves.

[Nogrod]

I agree with Roa here (I must have read the initial suggestion too hastily). On lynching I think it should be the number one only. I thought the list basically for Night-time use only as it would make the Hunter a bit more powerful enemy to the wolves without sacrificing the narrational logic or overpowering her/him with a secured contra-kill with mod's whim (about who of the wolves would then be killed).
Something else: Should hunter and ranger be able to pm each other? If not, it is possible that the ranger and the hunter pick each other to protect/hunt the night the wolves come for the hunter. Is the hunter protected now and nothing happens, or does the hunter first slay the ranger and is killed after it? It would make an awesome narration.It would depend on lot of things... If you give the hunter a chance to kill innocents during the Night then s/he could kill the ranger, if you had decided the order of kills that way... But at least my list-thing was made just to prevent any innocent-kills by Night by the Hunter...

But one thing you should consider beforehand is which is the order of activities during the Night-phase. It would be nasty to realise that you had to decide the fate of two actual players from scratch as you hadn't thought of the order beforehand... Surely the needs of the narration might be as good grounds of resolving the Nightly actions as any other! :eek:

EDIT: X-d with Roa :)

[Macalaure]

If it is always the first one on the list of the hunter who dies if he is lynched on a day, then the lists are useless in daylight. For this reason I still think I will keep it this way and increase the hunter's power such.

I always thought that the main reason for the logical hunter was to make the role more realistic, so that he can only take somebody with him who is present when he is killed. If the ranger protects the hunter during a wolf attack, the ranger is present, so it would be logical that he, too, could be killed. The hunter is a mightier warrior than the ranger and is known to have a light sleep. ;)


Rule adjustments (blessed be he who invented the admin threads!):

To not give the innocents too many advantages, ranger and hunter may not communicate. They will, however, know each other's identity, and they won't be allowed to pick each other, so the discussed situation can no longer occur. Though the ranger may have good reasons to keep the hunter alive, it's not really the hunter's fate anyway.

I'll change the hunter list size to the number of wolves alive (like Mith suggested). It's simpler and also makes more sense.

I think I will break with a rule and tell a person who has been successfully protected what has happened. He would only know that he has been saved, not by whom or from whom. Let's see how this works out.

To give the wolves a little tidbit, at the end of each day, the cobbler will give me a list of the people who he thinks to be wolves at the moment. This list I will give to the wolves. Not sure what they will be able to make with this information, but it might be of interest to them.


PS: Don't fear to be confused. I'll post the final rules at the beginning of the game thread. These are just technicalities anyway. I would still consider this a fairly basic game. :rolleyes: :D

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, you're the great Mod-God now, so what you say goes. We'll see how it works, and as always, it's good bit luck, and a good bit player dynamics, more than the rules, that decide how things go.

[Macalaure]

That's true.

It's always the players who make a game 'just another one' or 'worthy of rememberance', never the mod or any set of special rules.

[Nogrod]

I think I will break with a rule and tell a person who has been successfully protected what has happened. He would only know that he has been saved, not by whom or from whom. Let's see how this works out.

To give the wolves a little tidbit, at the end of each day, the cobbler will give me a list of the people who he thinks to be wolves at the moment. This list I will give to the wolves. Not sure what they will be able to make with this information, but it might be of interest to them.These sound really interesting modifications!

[Mithalwen]

Rule adjustments (blessed be he who invented the admin threads!):




It was a she actually *ahem* ...but all blessings gratefully accepted :D :cool:

[Nogrod]

Where are you people? A nice game of werewolf on a tray and no one (the seven not included) takes the bite?

You can't be serious? :rolleyes:

[the guy who be short]

I can be two people if you wish.

Honestly, I haven't played for that long. I have some catching up to do. :D

[Macalaure]

Hmmm, not exactly an onrush of players here. :rolleyes:

Do you all feel the need to take a break from werewolf at the moment? Shall I delay the beginning for a week or two? No problem to me.

Or should each of the seven play two people? :D

[Durelin]

Omg!!! (<-- I apologize for using that)

I want to be two people!! :p

It could maybe work, if you gave everyone "two lives." Their first life, they're one role, another in their next... Maybe start out with two wolves and two gifteds of some sort, then add more as people, though it won't necessarily be adding, because the first lives wolves and gifteds could naturally be killed...

Yes, I'll stop now.....

[Rikae]

Sure, I'll be two people!

If people die and are reincarnated, though, everyone will know what the person's role is.
I'm for being two people simultaneously!
"Rikae looks very suspicious, the way she's casting suspicion on me for no reason.."

[Roa_Aoife]

Come on! I just got back in the game! You all can't take a break now!

[Thinlómien]

This is quite ridiculous, but because of lack of players (means this game can't start so soon) you'll have one player less. I will have slight problems getting online next weekend and I won't have a net access at my disposal from the 22nd to 25th and I can't count on dying before that, so Mac please remove me from the list. *sigh*

(But if you're starting the game much much later than you thought (around the 25th), then you can put me back to that list...)

[Macalaure]

I highly doubt I will be able to start before next week, so I'll keep you in with a question mark. :)


Or we could play a game of six players! One wolf, one über-gifted and four innocents...

okay, maybe not. :D

[Thinlómien]

I highly doubt I will be able to start before next week, so I'll keep you in with a question mark. :) That's alright. Actually, I almost hope you will suffer from a lack of players for so long that I actually get to play... :p

Mac, have you pm-spammed people? That helps sometimes, you know...

[Macalaure]

Right now, I would need to hook 9 people via pm-spamming. Unlikely.

[Roa_Aoife]

You never know- the last two games I was involved in were due to PM's I recieved. If it hadn't been for the PM's, I'd probably still be awol.

[Gil-Galad]

cause roa told me too...

i'm in, but i will be away from thursday till monday just to warn you, so if you start next week then i'm good to go

[Macalaure]

Welcome!


Now, for the time being, I will plan to begin next Monday at 9PM GMT with Night one. (sorry, Lommy)

I'll start some more... well.. "aggressive" forms of marketing in a few days if I have to. ;)

[Thinlómien]

Now, for the time being, I will plan to begin next Monday at 9PM GMT with Night one. (sorry, Lommy)Never mind that. :) I guess I can cope with missing one game, (however promising it looks).


I'll start some more... well.. "aggressive" forms of marketing in a few days if I have to. ;)Good! Kill them all! :p

[Gil-Galad]

with Lommy's note, i will be posting late too, seeing i dn't get home till about 10-11 PM and Monday night, but i will post the next morning for sure

[Rikae]

If day falls on a Tuesday or Thursday I won't be around at the deadline and will have to vote early (around 1-2 GMT) since I have classes in the (my) afternoon.
Does anyone else derive an inexplicable glee from thinking about time zones? I suppose I'm just a bit slow. Maybe it's just that the thought of the massive distances involved borders on the sublime - I digress. I'll shut up now. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What about the new Barrowdowners who may never have heard of Werewolf?

*warning: horrible pun ahead*

Werewolf needs fresh blood. ;)

[Macalaure]

What about the new Barrowdowners who may never have heard of Werewolf?

*warning: horrible pun ahead*

Werewolf needs fresh blood. ;)

*nods frantically...*


As you see, this will be a simple game. While it should still give enough of a thrill to experienced players, it is ideal for anybody new or long absent to the game. *hint*

*...and hints again* :)

[Holbytlass]

sign me up though I are not fresh blood

[Roa_Aoife]

Just so everyone is aware, I will not be around during deadlines- I work from about 1:00 PM GMT to 10 PM GMT, and that's not counting travel time. I'll try to be on before I leave for work in the morning every Day. Also, I'll be as late as I can for the start of everyday, but don't count on me after 5 AM GMT. I turn into a pumpkin if I stay up much longer than that. (Sudden thought: Attack of the killer Were-pumpkins?)

I'll add as much as I can in that time frame. And I'll work during Nights as well to make sure I've got something to post as soon as I can get to a computer at the start of the day, so noone be surprised when I have a long post starting every Day.

[Macalaure]

Just so everybody knows, the people that have a question mark next to their names in the players list are the ones who are only able to join if the game doesn't begin on the 19th, but a week later.

[Mithalwen]

If it starts this week coming - I have a long standing prior engagement on the Friday (23rd?) so if that is day I may be in stuck - not sure if the Sunday was the first day or when the roles etc will be sent out... also I don't know about work yet ..If I am not working you will see more if I am necessarily less:(

[Lalaith]

Ok, I haven't played since last summer (too busy) but it so happens that I have got a bit of free time this week.
So, if you're starting quite soon, Maclaure, I'd like to join.

[Macalaure]

So, if you're starting quite soon, Maclaure, I'd like to join.
It's not looking very good, actually.

I have 10 players right now (11 with you) and 13 if I delay the start for one week. I'm aiming for at least 14, better 15, players. So unless a heavy lot of people join tomorrow, I'm afraid I can't start very soon. :(

[Hookbill the Goomba]

So... for the first time in... a while, I'm throwing my lot in with the WW gamers. I hope it's fun. The last time I played it was so humiliating and a complete failure. :(

So... Shall we have some balloons.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I hope this one will be good. I really wanted to try WW for some time, and this time Macalaure did a good job by PM-striking people, hitting the good ground :D And seconding Hookbill, as a newbie I hope it wouldn't be a fiasco (or "spawnkill" :) ) for me.

Now, as I said to Maca, if somehow the game is started this week, I'll be 99% unable to participate. This is possibly my last post here until next Saturday. If you don't see any more posts by me in this thread until Sunday evening, assume I am MIA and if you decide to start the game, I am out and have to wait for next round :(

[Rikae]

All right! A chance to haze...er, welcome, some new WW-ers! :D

[Kitanna]

If this game doesn't start by Feb. 24 at the latest I may have to pull out. I'll be going on my spring break soon and during that week I won't have more than fifteen or so minutes of computer time a day.

[Garin]

Thanks to those that personally messaged me.
I would like to participate.

[Macalaure]

This is turning into a real balancing act. :D

So... 24th is next Saturday.

Of those who liked the start to be delayed for one week,

Legate said he would be back next Saturday - check
Lommy said she would be away til Sunday
Kath didn't tell me a specific date

I need feedback from you two. Can you play if I start the first night on Saturday 9PM GMT? Or, in the worst case, would it be a problem for you if you miss the first day?

EDITS:
This will probably mean that the game starts too late for Lalaith. :(

Yay! Welcome, Garin! This would make a village of 14 - enough to begin (if nobody needs to leave again) - finally... ;)

[Garin]

I do have a 100% lynch rate to uphold.

[Macalaure]

Game thread is now up.

(Don't be annoyed by that Macalaure-guy. I have a feeling he will come to a very bad end... ;) )

[The Saucepan Man]

I thought that this one was starting a week ago, so didn't sign up as I have been away for the last week.

Am I in time to join, or have the roles already been sent?

I am in the mood for a spot of Werewolfery. :D

[Macalaure]

The game will (most probably.. :rolleyes: ) start next Saturday, so you're perfectly in time. :)

[Lalaith]

Can you keep me in as a questionmark, please? I really would like to play, and will do my best, although I won't be able to participate as much as I usually do.

[Macalaure]

Alright. :)

[The Might]

Hi, I have been here for some time now but I didn't join the game till now caues I wasn't really sure what to expect.
Anyway, after getting the PM I though I should at least give it a try...so here I am.
Also, excuse me if I make mistakes, I'm new and not really sure what the rules are ;)

[Macalaure]

I'm happy you're giving it a try! The rules are here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13693). Never mind if you mix things up. All questions can be asked on this thread or be pmed to me.

I have to say that, after player recruitment was sooo slowgoing in the beginning, a pretty attractive roster has assembled itself now. Several new players, several people who haven't played in a long time, many proven veterans. I'm very optimistic this will be a good game. :)

[Thinlómien]

Hookbill, Sauce, Lalaith, Garin and Legate playing... I can't miss this! If you others don't mind that I might miss Day1 (or post only a little if I manage to find a library) I'll certainly be in. And I might recruit one newcomer-player more to the cast if Mac does not mind.

[Macalaure]

The more the merrier!

If you're successful, we are now at nineteen players! Most excellent!

Shall I include a fourth wolf to balance things for the baddies? :confused:

[Kath]

Mac if you start Saturday I can play. :)

[Rikae]

In reply to the rules --

can I pretend to be offended? It's kind of expected of me -- wouldn't want to get lynched for not being myself!

[Volo]

can I pretend to be offended?
You'll have to be offended if you want to survive... :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

She who pretends to be offended shall be lynched first! :p

[Volo]

She who pretends to be offended shall be lynched first! :p
Not by you she won't. :p


...neither by me. hehe... :rolleyes:

[Brinniel]

After much deliberation, I've decided to give these werewolf games a shot.

So...here is some more fresh blood, and another member who isn't quite sure what to expect... :rolleyes:

EDIT: I've just been informed by Rune that he plans on joining as well. :cool:

[Durelin]

Yayyyy Brinniel!

I was wondering when you'd be talked into WW. :D

[Brinniel]

Hehe, yes indeed I have been persuaded. Though, I admit I've been curious for quite sometime...

I'm glad to be finally trying this out. Hopefully it shall be a good experience. :)

[Macalaure]

Yoo-hoo!

Now we're 20 (if Lalaith doesn't call off). I think this definitely justifies a fourth wolf/faithful!

[Gil-Galad]

alright, i am back now and ready for the game

[Nogrod]

Well this looks impressive indeed! I can hardly wait 'till Sunday...

But as I tried it in the last game, I'll try again a bit more easier involvement-tactics this time around - it didn't work the last time as I got to flood the thread yet again in the end. This time I will try not to. So just don't lynch me because I'm not flooding the thread with ten pages of analysis or plans / Day... :D

That doesn't guarantee re-reading my posts wouldn't be a considerable task. :p

[Mithalwen]

Under the old pals act would you like me to withdraw since you now have so many players? I will do the best I can but due to a longer working day on this assignment and uncertainty over lunchtime access it is likely to be much more limited than usual - also I may be carless and therefore accessless depending on MOT.... I signed up expecting to play this week and now it is looking iffy....

[Macalaure]

Under the old pals act would you like me to withdraw since you now have so many players?Well, I would definitely rather see you play than see you not play, but since I have so many players, your withdrawal would not cause any problems.

It's entirely up to you and how you feel about it.

[Roa_Aoife]

That doesn't guarantee re-reading my posts wouldn't be a considerable task. :p

Don't worry, Nogrod, I'm here. I'm sure I'll manage a way to analyze your posts. ;)

[Glirdan]

Gah!! I'll accept the invite Mac!! It's been far too long that I've played in a game!! But I'm going to let you all know that my posting won't be frequent. I have school and other stuff. So, add me in!!

[Thinlómien]

Mith, you know we'd prefer to have you in the game, but like Mac said, it's up to you. :)

[Lalaith]

Lommy, you are too kind.
Mith is currently being horribly bullied by me, to play. Let us see if all these different tactics have any effect.

[Nogrod]

Don't worry, Nogrod, I'm here. I'm sure I'll manage a way to analyze your posts. ;)I do not doubt that... Indeed we (Lommy & I) joked yesterday about the certainty that you would comment on this! :p

[Roa_Aoife]

Happy to oblige, dear. :rolleyes:

[Garin]

Mithalwen, I really hope you'll stick around.

[Mithalwen]

Mrs Bossy Knickers ...... isn't giving me much option but Wednesdays look like they will be really heavy at work so I can't guaruntee much activity. I would like to play again but I would rather pull out than not to be able to offer a reasonable level of involvement - it is not fair on other players .... aieee

[Macalaure]

:(

I'm putting you off the list, then. I hope work gets better for you soon. :)


EDIT: Lalaith, I still have you noted down with a question mark. Are you playing?

[Mithalwen]

:(

I'm putting you off the list, then. I hope work gets better for you soon. :)


Oh Iwas going to say that I would play unless anyone objected violently ... will wednesday pre 9 be a day or night?

[Macalaure]

Ooops! :D

I interpreted 'I would rather not play' as withdrawal.

Wednesday will be a day.

[Mithalwen]

OK .... how about this - if any other player objects to me playing please PM Mac and I won't . I won't ask for names... so if noone contacts you Mac I'm in and will do my best.

[Lalaith]

Well given that I have browbeaten poor Mith to play, its going to look a bit crap if I withdraw...so yes, I'm in. But ironically, like Mith I won't be around that much so I shall be much more low-profile than I used to be.
But in such a big village, there should be room for lots of playing styles....

[Glirdan]

Ahhhh!!! Completely forgot about this when I signed up, but I will most likely not be around from Tuesday till Friday of next week!! AHHH! However, I'll still play if there's no obections. If you do have a problem with that, let Mac know and I'll withdraw.

[Macalaure]

Well given that I have browbeaten poor Mith to play, its going to look a bit crap if I withdraw.I guessed so, but I just wanted to make sure. ;)


Completely forgot about this when I signed up, but I will most likely not be around from Tuesday till Friday of next week!!Keep in mind that I have a "no vote for two days => removal from game" rule. Can you make sure to vote at least once in that half week? :confused:

[The Saucepan Man]

OK .... how about this - if any other player objects to me playing please PM Mac and I won't .I highly doubt that's gonna happen, but to counteract the possibility, I will add my voice to that of those who are in favour of your participation. :D

Ahhhh!!! Completely forgot about this when I signed up, but I will most likely not be around from Tuesday till Friday of next week!! AHHH! However, I'll still play if there's no obections.No objections from me but that will be two days so, under Mac's ruling, you are liable to an untimely death if you are not able to make it for at least one of those.

As always, I am planning a lower level of participation than normal, simply because there are usually other things that I should be doing, rather than playing Werewolf (like working, spending time with Mrs S and the kids etc). But it never seems to work out that way ... :rolleyes:

[Glirdan]

Hmmm.....Well, we shall see. I'm pretty sure that I will be able to though. We'll see.....we'll see.......

[Roa_Aoife]

Good news. Due to my recent joblessness, I'll be able to give full participation to this game.

[Macalaure]

Alrighty then. :)

The game will start tomorrow at 9PM GMT.

The rules will be shipped out in some hours, so this is the last chance to join now!

[Mänwe]

Thought I would just post and let the players know that I too am participating. For the first time, so please forgive me if I appear like a rabbit in headlights, the blood, gore, and accusations is going to take a little time to get used too. :eek:

[Macalaure]

Roles are out. :)

Don't forget to turn yourselves invisible!

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Roles are out. :)

Don't forget to turn yourselves invisible!

I'm trying but the vanishing cream just doesnt work! :( :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

:confused:

UserCP > Edit Options > Use Invisible Mode

You should then see yourself in the active user list with an asterisk next to your name.

For me it's working. Does anybody else have problems?

[Mithalwen]

I highly doubt that's gonna happen, but to counteract the possibility, I will add my voice to that of those who are in favour of your participation. :D




Ooh does that mean I am allowed a hissy fit if peopel find it suspicious that I am quiet on Wednesday....? :p

Actually Sauce, teh decider from my end that I would play barring objections was the memory of all the games where you fretted about being available for the maximum duration and was dead by the second morning.... I realised the more I worried....the likelier it was it wouldn't be an issue.... :rolleyes:

[Hookbill the Goomba]

For me it's working. Does anybody else have problems?

Erm... It was a joke. I have done this before. :p

[the guy who be short]

Are we starting with a night or a day phase?


Also, has anybody else wondered about how werewolf-games always take place during the equinox?

[Macalaure]

Erm... It was a joke.The serious cat are very angry with you. :rolleyes:


And we're starting with a night phase.

[Thinlómien]

As I've said before, I'm not sure if I can get online on Day1 and even if I can, I won't participate much. But after that I should be able to flood-post in the normal way. :)

[Mänwe]

Question, what is the deadline for villager posts. I.e. When is it considered "Night"? I am assuming it is 9pm GMT.

[Macalaure]

You're right.

Today at 9 GMT the first Day starts and everybody starts posting. Tomorrow, 9 PM GMT is the deadline for Day posting, and the Night begins, which lasts until the next day at 9 and so on. :)

[The Might]

why do we have to turn invisible?

[Mithalwen]

Mainly because if you are not invisible you can see on the "who's online" or individual profiles if someone is PMing. This might give clues as to the identities of wolves/ gifteds.

[Mänwe]

:) See or be seen? Surely when invisible you can also see who is on the "Active Users" list also. I apologise for what is a rather 'simple' question. I ask only because if I click on the "Active Users" when invisible I can see what is going on.

[The Might]

Well, I switched to invisible, so guess all is ok now.

[Kath]

See or be seen? Surely when invisible you can also see who is on the "Active Users" list also. I apologise for what is a rather 'simple' question. I ask only because if I click on the "Active Users" when invisible I can see what is going on.
Yes but the point is that you can't see people who are invisible. If you go look at the Active Users list right now you won't be able to see what I'm doing. That way there isn't a chance that if a player was PMing someone, be it because they actually were a wolf PMing their fellows or just chatting to a friend, it wouldn't make you suspicious of them because you wouldn't be able to see it.

I think! :D

[Nogrod]

I think! :D... therefore I am! :rolleyes: (poor old Descartes: to how low jokes he has endeed up with!)

[Mänwe]

Kath of course! Thank you for clearing that up.

[Thinlómien]

Plus if you're invisible no one can see when you've last been online. If someone saw you weren't online at all during the Night phase, s/he could conclude you aren't probably a gifted or a wolf, because they need to do things in the night-time, unlike ordos.

Oh, and never mind what I said about being inactive in Day1 before. I managed to mix up the days and thought Day1 would have been yesterday in RL... :rolleyes: :o

[Macalaure]

- you may choose occupations if you want to, but it's not required

I quote this just because some have complained that there are no occupations in this game. Some people like occupations, some don't, so I left it to you, but nobody took up one.

[Kath]

I wasn't complaining Mac! Merely observing. :)

[Mänwe]

And I have taken the role of Village Fisherman, innocent grafter is what I am.

[The Might]

Well, I want to apologize because I don't think I'm going to be able to stay active in this game.
It seems to require participation daily, and I don't think I have enough time for that at the moment, so sorry...maybe soon when I'll have some more free time

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Just to clarify... when is the deadline for votin'?

[Macalaure]

And I have taken the role of Village Fisherman, innocent grafter is what I am.You should've told me before. Then I would have put Village Fisherman next to your name in the player list and it would have motivated others to take one, too. :)

Well, I want to apologize because I don't think I'm going to be able to stay active in this game.
It seems to require participation daily, and I don't think I have enough time for that at the moment, so sorry...maybe soon when I'll have some more free timeThat's a pity. I'll put you to death in the Night 2 -narration.

Just to clarify... when is the deadline for votin'?It's still at 9PM GMT.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

I get the feeling that Garin will only avoid lynching when he actually is a wolf! :rolleyes:

[Lalaith]

O Mighty Mod Mac...where does the voting cut off, cross-posting hell etc....I make it Manwe 6, Garin 5....

[Mithalwen]

Hanging chad anyone?

[Durelin]

Garin had six long before, I believe. Garin and Rikae were tied at four. Then I switched my vote to Garin, bringing him up to 5. Then just a few posts after me Roa switched her vote to him, bringing him to 6.

[Macalaure]

Just recounted.

I'm still having:

Garin 6 (tgwbs, Kitanna, Rune, Holbytlass, Durelin, Roa)
Mänwe 5 (Rikae, Hookbill, Legate, Nogrod, Lalaith)

[Lalaith]

My bad. I didn't see Durelin's switch.

[Macalaure]

Never mind.

The first day in my first game and I already miscounted the votes... I just aged for a month. :p

[Gil-Galad]

sorry for not voting, my mind was totally not comprehensing time today...(i wanted to eat lunch at 10:45 AM)

[Macalaure]

I just noticed I forgot to mention a rule:

The ranger may not protect the same villager twice in a row!

It's been handled this way in all games so far, I think, but I thought I should mention it for everybody.

[Macalaure]

Holby has withdrawn from the game. She will be killed, together with The Might, in the next narration. The Mod grieves over their loss.

Both Holbytlass and The Might were ordinary villagers. Innocents, your list of allies is growing thin! ;)

[Kath]

I'm so sorry about missing half the Day and the vote yesterday. The internet just seemed to switch off completely, wouldn't even show me the logging on screen. No idea what was going on with it.

[Rikae]

I just noticed I forgot to mention a rule:

The ranger may not protect the same villager twice in a row!

It's been handled this way in all games so far, I think, but I thought I should mention it for everybody.
Uh oh.

I wish I had known that. :rolleyes:

[Kitanna]

For the first half of Day 2 I won't be around due to work and classes. I will be on and functional a few hours before the voting is closed though.

[Mithalwen]

Since I am on a different assignment I will be around tomorrow but possibly not before 5.30 GMT - I don't know if I will have lunchtime access.

[Holbytlass]

My fellow villagers and nasty faithfuls,
I was asked to join this game when sign-up was very slow and did so for Macaulare. It didn't cross my mind at the time that I'm going to Florida (in about 10 days) and with a village this large it couldn't be guaranteed that the game would be over. I asked Mac to take me out now while things have just started and I wouldn't ruin anything later on. My "death" has no other ulterior motive.

[Gil-Galad]

sorry for the quick post, i'm having parental troubles(again) and can't guarantee a return until tomorrow

[Hookbill the Goomba]

I probably won't be able to post much today, for I have a busy day ahead. I'll do my best though...

[Garin]

By the way folks. I have been lupine in twice of my past games. I can't wait to discuss the current goings-on but must wait til the end. I indeed get a sick pleasure of my lynchability. That is all.

EDIT: Holby, if you need tips on leaving the game early I can always give you pointers.

[Macalaure]

As Glirdan has been brought up in the game thread:

My rules state that two consecutive non-votes will cause removal, not two consecutive non-appearances. But I left myself the backdoor to keep the player in the game anyway, so I'll see what I'll do. Hopefully Glirdan will keep me from having to make such a decision by voting today.

[The Saucepan Man]

This is just to say that things have got rather hectic for me at work today. Having been required to make a very (and uncharacteristically) early start to the day, with little respite so far, and with the prospect of having to work late looming, I am not sure how much, if at all, I will be able to participate toDay.

[Mänwe]

Is it possible for Faithful's to attack Faithfuls?

[Hookbill the Goomba]

I'm rally sorry, guys, but I may have to pull out of this game.

My computer just died and I'm now using my father's one for a few minutes. I'll get back to you tomorrow to see if I can still play, but if I don't post here tomorrow then strike me off. :(

[Macalaure]

Is it possible for Faithful's to attack Faithfuls?
Uhm.. you mean at night? *scratches head* I don't think there's a rule against it, but I could think of no reason why they should. :confused:


I'm rally sorry, guys, but I may have to pull out of this game.

My computer just died and I'm now using my father's one for a few minutes. I'll get back to you tomorrow to see if I can still play, but if I don't post here tomorrow then strike me off. :(*crosses fingers for Hookbill's computer* :(

[Mänwe]

Well if Rikae were a wolf, wanted to pose as the Seer, had the other wolves vote for her knowing the Ranger would protect the Seer. So giving further proof she was the Seer. Then as her role as Seer she could 'dream' about people and give false information.

Thank you for answering the question anyhoo.

[Macalaure]

Well if Rikae were a wolf, wanted to pose as the Seer, had the other wolves vote for her knowing the Ranger would protect the Seer. So giving further proof she was the Seer. Then as her role as Seer she could 'dream' about people and give false information.

Thank you for answering the question anyhoo.
I think there's nothing in the classical rules that would prohibit this. It would definitely be the most foolhardy thing the baddies have ever done in Barrowdowns Werewolf. :D

But now that my dumbfoundedness ( :rolleyes: ) has basically given away that this did not happen, I can just as well put it straight.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

*crosses fingers for Hookbill's computer* :(

Things are looking up. My father has done some magic things to the hard drive and he's backing up my files. All the same, it probably won't be operational until tomorrow at the latest. So I may not be able to vote today, but I'll do my best...

[Mänwe]

Mac :)

Well that last vote session was terribly exciting!

[Roa_Aoife]

That was the most fun I've had in a long time! I should be the cobbler more often. :D

And no, I was never really upset, just acting, as I'm sure many of you figured. I'll let you know what I was doing with Nogrod at the end. ;)

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, Mac, we need to know your ruling on Glirdan. Because of invisible mode, we can't see when he was last active, but by your own declaration, two Days with no voting = Death by Mod.

Or, we at least need to know your back door to him.

[Macalaure]

The narration might take somewhat longer, as I'm currently too excited to collect my thoughts and put together something creative. I fear I'm gonna start smoking if you people continue like that. :smokin:

Concerning Glirdan: I will give him this Night to appear and will then decide. If he doesn't turn up before the nightly deadline, I'll have to remove him. :(

[Nogrod]

That was the most fun I've had in a long time! I should be the cobbler more often. :D You absolutely should! That was great fun indeed!
And no, I was never really upset, just acting, as I'm sure many of you figured.I think all those who had played with you before figured...
I'll let you know what I was doing with Nogrod at the end.I will be all ears! ;)

Thanks for a great game Roa!

[Rikae]

I just wanted to say...since I'm dead anyway...that I hadn't had the chance to read the last hour's posts when I posted my last couple times.

[Rikae]

And that I'm quite impressed with the way Roa thwarted me; confusticate and bebother it. :(

Oh, and that I have no spite towards Mith. (I don't know where that idea came from, actually...?)

But I'm afraid I might be crossing the boundaries of what I'm allowed to say on the admin thread...so I'll go put some duct tape on my mouth. Or hands.

[Roa_Aoife]

I think all those who had played with you before figured...

Indeed, but there were quite a few who obviously were unused to my style, so I thought I'd clarify.

And Rikae, I'm very impressed with how calm and collected you stayed. I was hoping you'd snap and freak out because you were challenged, but you kept your cool. I look forward to playing with you again. :)

[Kitanna]

I apologize for missing the vote. I got so wrapped up in my homework I came back and voting had been over for about twenty minutes. I am so sorry.

[Rikae]

Another fine narration! Make mine good, OK? *applauds the Mod God*

In answer to a rep: A true magician never reveals her secrets: but I won't deny that both of my choices were based, at least partly, on my high opinion of the abilities of those in question. I felt it would do the village the most good to know the true intentions of those who were most likely to become its leaders. There were other considerations; but those are visions of the hypnogogic trance that I can never disclose. :p

[Roa_Aoife]

Psst.. Rikae... No more talking until the end... we're dead now....

[Mänwe]

Mhm, an interesting discussion, can 'trance' be used to describe a 'dream'?

[Rikae]

no, but i get all my best ideas in a trance

[Macalaure]

The admin thread is for administrative purposes and questions, not for premature after-game discussions. The dead are dead and should therefore be quiet, like stated in the rules. The living should keep in mind that posts on the admin thread that explicitly or implicitly indicate the role of the poster are forbidden. I'm looking at Rikae right now, but not exclusively.

edit: I just sent some pms to the protagonists, but one of them *coughmanwecough* needs to clear his inbox.

[Mithalwen]

Oh, and that I have no spite towards Mith. (I don't know where that idea came from, actually...?)



Game spite not RL.... spite vote =voting to lynch someone who has challenged you

[Nogrod]

Tomorrow (RL) is a pretty broken day for me. I'll be around in the beginning and at least try to get a chance to read all that happens during the Day.

The last 5-6 hours of the Day we share the same computer with Lommy (& need to cook and eat and...). So we will both be there in the end but only one at the time.

Hopefully neither of us posts with another's name and avvie this time... :o

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Just a quick question...

If I for some reason miss the next vote, will I be thrown out? I'm only asking because it's looking like it may be a while before I get a fully functioning computer again. I'm still having to borrow some for half hour periods at the most or at university.

[Macalaure]

Personally, I would turn a blind eye for you. What do the others say?

Best throw your vote in as soon as possible, just so that it is there. If you'll have the possibility later, you can still retract.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Personally, I would turn a blind eye for you. What do the others say?

Best throw your vote in as soon as possible, just so that it is there. If you'll have the possibility later, you can still retract.

Thanks, sir.
I should be getting a new computer tomorrow, but you know what the Royal Mail is like, sometimes good, sometimes bad. :rolleyes:
Until then, I'll try my best...

[Nogrod]

Best throw your vote in as soon as possible, just so that it is there. If you'll have the possibility later, you can still retract.Mac is right. Just vote when you have a chance for it (I do hope you can even skim something through before you vote) and retract later if you can and feel you should.

[the guy who be short]

Posting ToDay will be difficult for me. I may not be able to get on at all except for now. There's a chance of getting on at school, but the school monitors block the WW thread somewhat randomly.

[Glirdan]

Ah...I had a feeling this would happen.....Like I said, I knew I'd be really busy. My school is in the midst of holding our annual Music Fest so I'v been really busy helping out with that and performing and thus had absolutely no time (until tonight in fact) to get on to post.

Anyway, explanation done. Have fun with the rest of the game everyone and good luck Mac.

[Kitanna]

Due to blizzards my internet and power have been going on and off all day. So I'm going to keep my posts very short, so excuse me if I seem to be flooding the thread or if I disappear for a few hours altogether.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Macalaure, do not think that I am criticising, but would it not be better to simply say 'Deadline' and who is lynched without revealing their identity just in case of cross posting? :confused:

[the guy who be short]

^Agreed. You can edit it in after checking cross-posting and waiting two minutes.

[Mithalwen]

Equivocation.

I used to put up deadlines then post outcome later with death scene, however I have to invoke the Divine Right of Moderators to arrange things as suits them. :) And of course it is nice to know more quickly than a death scene can be written - though you lose the suspense....

[Macalaure]

The funny thing is, I told myself to just post 'deadline' first and then enter the name shortly after, but each time I was so emotionally involved in following the game, that I forgot! :rolleyes:

I promise to better.

PS: I never liked it that much when mods wait to post the role-reveal til they have the narration finished. Sometimes that takes somewhat longer and sometimes I even had to go to bed not knowing whether the lynched person was guilty or not.
This way, I can take all the time I need to write down the narration (and fight with creative block) without having people waiting impatiently. :)

[Brinniel]

Hmm...the funny thing is that before I even put in my vote, I predicted I would be lynched. I just get bad feelings about these things and they tend to be accurate. Oh well, what a great end to a terrible day! (I am currently stuck overnight alone in a Seattle airport..pfft) I only wish I could've been there at the end of the Day.

Anyways, I've enjoyed my first experience of WW and would love to do this again. Hopefully I've learned something after my horrible newbie playing. I'm only slightly disappointed how horrible my timing is. It only figures I get lynched the Day before I have all the time in the world to devote to WW. :rolleyes:

Anyways, good luck to all you innocents! I shall go and enjoy my spring break (once I get out of this darned airport...)

[Thinlómien]

I must unfortunately leave and vote very early, since I'm going back home (where there is no net access, as I think you all already know). I'll leave around 1.30 PM my time so it's 11.30 AM GMT, I guess.

[mormegil]

I am going to step in and intercede before this gets way out of hand. I do not know exactly what incited these responses, from what I gather there was a rather harsh seeming post in the game thread (which I haven't been following due to a lack of time). I am reminded of past problems over 'styles of play' and remind you all to look at the wonderful post (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13015) that The Saucepan Man wrote up when he was moderator over the Mirth section. I stand behind what was said and request all parties involved to calm down and remember that this is a game in which we are to have fun not criticize others for the way they play.

I am by no means playing blame on a single source and in my experience it's usually both sides that share some amount, regardless I would recommend that everyone continue to play in the game. I will be deleting the posts previous to this that are about the subject at hand.

Mac, I trust that you will inform me if there are any future problems.

Oh and if people still want to withdraw from the game please post it anew though I would request that you consider the time and effort Mac has put into this game before you do so.

[Nogrod]

Not again... :(

I managed to see some of the posts here scantily as Lommy was using the computer and thence have an idea what it was all about.

Please people! It's a game and games should be enjoyed! They should be fun!

PS. Morm if you think this is inapproppriate, feel free to delete this too. I just felt I needed to say this out aloud even if I see that discussion about this is discouraged (which I duly understand why).

[the guy who be short]

I count 4 votes for Spm and 2 for me.

Though you've revealed my role so there's no point in me living anyway. Sigh...

[Macalaure]

When it was 3 for each, Lalaith, tgwbs and Saucepan, I misread Lalaiths retraction and made it 4 tgwbs, 3 Lalaith and 2 Saucepan instead of 4 Saucepan, 3 Lalaith and 2 tgwbs. :(

I won't post the things I'm calling myself right now...

Suggestions what to do now?

[Nogrod]

I count 4 votes for Spm and 2 for me.

Though you've revealed my role so there's no point in me living anyway. Sigh...I did the same counting... :(

Happily we agreed on maths even this once! :rolleyes:

[the guy who be short]

Well, as my role's out, we may as well leave it as me dying, I suppose.

P.s. Don't sweat. As Hookbill said, we all make mistakes. Have a jelly baby, if one is near you. :D

[Nogrod]

Suggestions what to do now?Well as tgwbs is revealed you can't put him back to the game and any compensations would be pretty unfair (putting in a new Faithful or something).

I guess we just have to accept that the modfire burnt tgwbs for his inexcrutable reasons and the problem for the villagers remain whether Spm is a duck or a dove...

I don't see any other viable alternative right now which would not be unfair as well.

[Lalaith]

I'm really sorry for that messy retraction. You can blame me if you like. Pelt me with jellybabies. :(

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, although it obviously favours me, I can't see any alternative to sticking with the position as it is, namely that TGWBS gets lynched.

Either that or all three of us get lynched in a dramatic triple lynching. :D

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Maybe the Saucepan Man falls into the Sea or something. Or starts an argument and ends up in a sticky situation involving... I don't know... glue.

Either that or let the Lord Pan off the hook.

[Mithalwen]

Given that so many ordos have fallen by the wayside..it may just have made things fairer - but not for TGWBS of course... :rolleyes:

[the guy who be short]

I agree ^ I was heading for a lynch anyway.

Though seeing as I wasn't technically lynched, can I have a weird, interesting death scene as compensation? Involving giant amphibious porcupines? :D

[Durelin]

Still doesn't beat the quadruple lynch in my game, so I have no qualms about seeing three times the death and destruction. ;)

Edit: Haha, cross posting on the admin thread!

[Lalaith]

Well I don't mind either, if that's what Mac decides is fairest. We can all face death by jellybaby.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, it was only a light-hearted suggestion, but I would not object, if Mac decides that is best.

[the guy who be short]

Just to be clear, I was agreeing to just killing me off. It seems unfair to kill a quarter of the village on my behalf.

[Mänwe]

I believe it would be a possible quadruple killing seeing as I believe I have now missed two voting sessions. Even if I didn't withdraw. Sheer carnage!

[Mithalwen]

We have now 11 players 2 gifted 3 wolves. While I have been gunning to lynch SPM and Lal... I think we should leave things and just carry on.....

[Macalaure]

Well, since the role is revealed, I obviously can't put Jay back in. Lalaith has offered me to be killed alongside him (and somebody else whose identity will remain confidential suggested this, too), but I don't think that would be a good solution.

A triple lynch would be spectacular, but it would be spectacle only due to mod incompetence.

I think I'm going to let it be as it is now.

I'm so sorry, Jay. :(


edit: crossed with a lot.

[the guy who be short]

Could the porcupines get Manwe too?

I can see this as an interesting scene. An invasion of giant porcupines, forcing villagers and Faithful to come together temporarily to fend them off. Manwe and I die defending the village... Seems good to me.

[Durelin]

I was kidding, too (mostly, hehe) about the mass carnage. I love a good long game. :D

Wow, I wish the game thread had been this active all Day. :p

Edit: Hilarity, TGWBS!

[the guy who be short]

I don't mind (much), really. As I said, we all make mistakes. You don't even have to do the porcupines if they dont fit in with the tone of the village...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I have just arrived - I apologize for missing this day but I had no idea I wouldn't get back home at all, as I had to help with some things to friends. Seems I missed quite a lot. :eek: :rolleyes: :p

(Dives deep into the thread and tries to find, WHAT THE VALINOR IS GOING ON IN HERE)

[The Saucepan Man]

So, do I get another seven lives now ...? :D

[Mithalwen]

No but you may get called Rasputin.....


Or the Teflon SaucepanMan

[The Saucepan Man]

No but you may get called Rasputin..... :D

Now, that would make for an interesting narration ... ;)

I've got to go now. It looks like the decision has been made but, if not, I am happy with whatever Mac decides.

[The Saucepan Man]

Or the Teflon SaucepanManEven better. You are on sparkling form. :D

Bye for now.

[Mithalwen]

You may even get your own cartoon series in "The Downer" ..... Over to you, Mr the Goomba

[Nogrod]

I was just speaking with Lommy on the phone as I told her what happened.

She wished me to bring forwards her idea as she has no net access herself right now.

Maybe both tgwbs and Spm are lynched and as a compensation the Faithfuls will get two kills this Night.

-----

I do appreaciate your stance here tgwbs! You're a good sport.

[Nogrod]

Just to make sure.

That was Lommy's idea which she wished myself to bring forwards in here.

I think it not advisable to go on speculating about the merits or dismerits of it in here but let Macalaure consider it if he wishes...

[Macalaure]

Thanks for the jellybabies! Especially since digital jelly doesn't cause allergies. :)

I'm too scatterbrained right now to put up the proper narration, so I'll do that tomorrow. The guy who be short will die alone (plus, most probably, Mänwe).

Porcupines? Probably not. :D I hope it will be funny nevertheless - I think my narration will feature a.... let's just give so much away: It would be much more funny if Boro was playing. ;)

Once more: I'm terribly sorry.

*keeps on slamming his head on the desk*


Concerning Lommy's idea: Sounds nice, but I would prefer to handle it with bringing as few 'speciality' into the game as possible. That's also the reason why I'm not fond of the triple-lynch.

[Nogrod]

Concerning Lommy's idea: Sounds nice, but I would prefer to handle it with bringing as few 'speciality' into the game as possible. That's also the reason why I'm not fond of the triple-lynch.Better keep it as simple as possible. I do agree.

[Mithalwen]

Porcupines? Probably not. :D I hope it will be funny nevertheless - I think my narration will feature a.... let's just give so much away: It would be much more funny if Boro was playing. ;)

.

Oh go on..tell us how..... :D

[Thinlómien]

Oh go on..tell us how..... :DMith, dear, haven't you ever seen this (http://www.maximumawesome.com/images/catapult2.gif)? How uncivilised! :p

I'm honoured to substitute Boro. :D

EDIT: This link contains language that some downers may find offensive...be warned.

[Mithalwen]

Ahh ..I understand.. that is very funny if somewhat uncouth... :p

[Macalaure]

Here's more of the kind (much more family-friendly ;) ):

Mortor (http://images8.fotki.com/v145/photos/2/23376/93737/mordor-vi.gif)

Catapult? (http://www.maximumawesome.com/images/catapult1.gif)

Trebuchet! (http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/211/11334108274960sg.gif)

[Mithalwen]

Ah well the SpM's death was a cultural reference that I got....(and love)..just wish you had given me a false beard ;)......

[Macalaure]

The start of toDay might come with a little delay, due to a possible RL interference. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

If I'm still alive on Day6 my participation will be even lesser than now, since it's the weekend and I don't have a net access home (and I'm not going to go to Noggie's place this weekend). I promise to try to get to a library, but that means just one visit from me, max. 2 hours online and presumably nowhere close to the deadline (the libraries close quite early and the deadline is 11pm my time)... :(

[Mithalwen]

Err I probably won't be around either ..I will try to check in but I have an Australian "cousin" (her grandmother's sister was married to my grandmother's brother - so we have cousins in common) visiting unexpectedly......

[Kath]

So I woke up this morning and went: 'oh I'm dead, well that's lucky since I'm busy today' and toddled off to exams and bake sales ... without ever once looking at the thread! I didn't KNOW I was dead, I hadn't seen it in words until literally 10 minutes ago, I just assumed I was!

Sorry, I know the dead don't speak, but I just had to share that. Weird no?

[Gil-Galad]

urrgh the cut off came way sooner then i thought... i couldn't do anything... bah humbug...

[Durelin]

Apologies to everyone - I will be gone much of the day tomorrow (RL), and may not be back before the deadline. Basically I'll be around (though probably on and off) for the first seven hours of the Day (game), and that might be it. So I will be voting quite early, unfortunately.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

I'm working much later tomorrow at the bookshop wot i work in. So, I'll do my best to get a post or two in but I make no promises.

[Macalaure]

I have a confession to make.

After seven days and fifteen narrations, I'm slowly but surely running out of ideas for them. :rolleyes:

All wishes or suggestions (that fit the theme) are welcome. Please pm me if you can think of something funny or gruesome. It will be greatly appreciated. :)

[Hookbill the Goomba]

I think I should die in a blaze of glory.

Fire is always a good way to go. :p

Sorry for not posting, my computer clock reads 8:20 at the moment and I'm going to have to change it. I don't know why it's gone nearly an hour slow... It's annoying.

[Macalaure]

Not exactly a blaze of glory, but I hope you like it anyway. :p


Concluding I can say that this is, by far, the longest admin thread ever. :D

[the guy who be short]

Hooray!

Well played, Durelin and Legate! Incredible skill, considering it was Legate's first time, and the pressure Durelin was under.

As is traditional, I shall now reveal some of the wolves' thoughts. This will be abridged, seeing as we have about 40 pages of PMs on microsoft word. :rolleyes:

No Night 1, either, seeing as that's just banter.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

How frustrating. It seems that even in death I manage to ruin it for the ordos. :(

I don't expect I will be playing WW again for a while, though.

[Roa_Aoife]

Now that I may speak again, I would like to apologize to everyone, especially Manwe, for my post-death behavior on Day 3. I mistakenly took Manwe's first post as an insult and smear against two people that I hold in very high regard, both as players and as friends. I reacted poorly and with little thought. I was wrong to pm Manwe, and the wrong was doubled by the content of the message. Further more, I was wrong to respond to him on the Admin thread. What I did was against the rules, against the best interest of he game, and simply rude and thoughtless.

I hope I can be forgiven, and that the whole thing can be put behind us.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wow, this was so great! Great, great experience Macalaure, of course partially because it was my first game, but also your narrations were really funny and mainly I owe you thanks for that I had even the opportunity to play! And, not forgeting that you gave me the possibility to take the role of a Were-Faithful... I guess playing an ordo would be interesting as well, but I am 100% happy with the role I had.

Also, I would like to thank to all my wonderful were-colleagues, who made a great team and I really enjoyed plotting alongside them. And of course all the other villagers who participated, even a little bit, because I really enjoyed this game and you were all just fantastic folks! Well, I don't know how you who play for a long time felt when you first played it, but if you remember it and it was great, then this is how I feel now :D I must say that this game was just wonderful from start till the (victorious! Yay!) end.

Being it the first time for me to play Werewolf, I must say I wasn't as active as I could because I really wasn't familiar yet with all the mechanisms of the game and I was more careful than I would probably be when playing an ordo. I was worried that I might screw it up for my more experienced colleagues.

Once more great great thanks to every single one of you for participating, it was wonderfully amusing to play with you. Special thanks from the Faithful team (right?) to Tar-Roa for her great (and amusing!) play. Special thanks from me to Lalaith for trusting me in the last day so genuinely ;)

And Hookbill (and all the newbies; Brinniel, I still feel somehow guilty of participating on your lynch, because you were right about me and I should be lynched instead of you), do not let it break your spirit. You were great asset even though you participated but a little.

Here, take this memorial plaquette (and the others might as well). :)

http://sweb.cz/Casimir/WW-XXX.gif

I made this to express my gratitude to all of you, both the players and the Mod, and to dedicate this to the memory of this game. Thanks once again!

...wow, that was something like a speech...

[Lalaith]

Lalaith for trusting me in the last day so genuinely

That will do, young master Legate. Gloating is not nice. ;)

Gah. Apart from you, I had them all spotted.

[the guy who be short]

Well, this is going to be interesting reading, because this was such a crazy game. Here's why we went for Rikae, and failed, that first day:

Here are the individuals that your Queen Tar-Míriel currently thinks is you:

Nogrod
Legate of Amon Lanc
Brinniel
Durelin (Mac)

Obviously we don't waste our time with Rikae (though if I were the Ranger I'd fake the wolves out and not protect her until the next Night...woops, I didn't tell you that...), but I say we pick off Lommy or Mith because people like to think they're innocent. (durelin)

The good news is, we know the Seer, which is the best we could have hoped for. As Durelin said, I think it would be hazard from the Ranger not to try to protect her, so should we reserve her for another day? On the double trick: Hazard it would be, but it depends on who the Ranger is, if he would even dare to perform such thing. No, I think it's better not to be concerned with that at all.

If we are not attempting to kill Rikae, is there anyone you have a particular aim against? Or should we bring down someone less important this time?

And last, any possible idea of Tar-Míriel's identity? And what do you think we should do with that he/she thinks two of us as Faithful? This, I think, also means more people might be inclined to think what the Cobbler thinks, unfortunately for us. (legate)

More like "whew!" from me!

That was … pretty intense.

You three played the Day wonderfully. I myself played it … well … pretty badly, I think.

I am not quite sure why both Roa and Nogrod saw fit to go after me with such gusto. My orginal comment which led to it all was, I thought, really rather innocuous. Indeed, I found myself rather frustrated with Roa in particular for going for me with such certainty on such spurious (to my mind) grounds. Before I saw Rikae’s revelation (just now, after the Day‘s end), I had Roa pegged as a Seer who had dreamed of me on Night 1.

All in all, I think it better to assume that the Ranger will protect Rikae tonight. My immediate reaction for an alternative target is either Roa or Nogrod. It is no disrespect, I think, to any of our players to note that, on past form, they are most probably among our our most dangerous adversaries. And I do wonder whether her defence of my "case" against Nogrod was grounded in more than blind trust (a rare thing for one such as Roa). Are they perhaps the Ranger and Hunter partnership?

Pros of killing Roa: We get rid of a dangerous adversary and I get her off my back. Possibly, we kill a Gifted.

Cons of killing Roa: It points to me. if she is the Hunter, she will probably take me with her.

As for our Queen’s list, it looks like we have a pretty astute Cobbler. Two out of four ain’t at all bad on Day 1. Hence my feeling that it might be Mith. (SpM [Couldn't you guess by the length?])

At any rate, the only people who I think seriously considered you were Roa and Nogrod, and though they can certainly sway people in many respects, you're a prominent werewolfer and swayer, as well. So it's a little harder to get people to see you as guilty...well, at least not until a little later in the game.

I think passing the slight chance of getting Rikae tonight is a good idea. Any kill is better than no kill.

I did consider the possibility of killing Roa and going for the double-bluff, but I was far from sure you'd want to risk it. I also considered the idea of Roa being the Cobbler, because actually I think she's acting like I would as Cobbler - making very assured accusations and sticking with them pretty much no matter what...and be overly sarcastic.

I agree that the Cobbler could be Mith or Lalaith, so for now let's scratch them off the list?

But you bring up a important thing to consider, SPM - who Rikae might dream of tonight. Killing off ahead of time the person she dreams of would be nice and convenient. Of course, that might involve a gamble we don't need or want to risk. Manwe is a good possibility, so is Nogrod, I think... (durelin)

The Cobbler is either a lucky guesser or rather astute. I tend to think the latter. I don't think it should concern you and Legate too much, though. There were hardly any accusations against either of you during the Day, and Legate's main accuser is now departed.

I think passing the slight chance of getting Rikae tonight is a good idea. Any kill is better than no kill. Well, except offing our Cobbler, I suppose....Agreed. Although let's hope that the Ranger doesn't take the gamble and protect our chosen alternative.

You know, re-reading the thread last night, I became increasingly convinced of the possibility of Roa being the Cobbler. It would possibly explain her defence of Nogrod (if she thought him a Faithful) and her antagonism towards me (if she thought me innocent). Going back through her analysis of me, it is not at all up to her ususal standard - she twists my words.

I propose that we kill Nogrod. (SpM)

I think it's time that those who might be labelled as posting without saying much came under some pressure, so I'll be looking in that direction toMorrow. After all, it's not something that any of us are doing. Holby and Kath spring to mind

So, Nogrod seems a distinct possibility for toNight's kill. How about you, TGWBS? Happy with that, or would you prefer to consider alternatives? (spM)

There's a branch of maths, game theory, dedicated to winning games. And one of the key ideas on how to win is that you should not try to maximize gain, but minimize loss.

Now, we can either go for Rakae today or tomorrow.

If we go for her today, the worst possible scenario, that is the greatest loss, is that she's protected by the Ranger. This means no kill for us, and Rakae tells people about her dream. We then kill her next night. So we get 0 kills, the innocents get 1 innocent's name, Seer dies night 3.

If we go for her next night, the greatest loss is that she's protected then. This means we get a kill tonight, but the Seer lives until night 4 and reveals 2 innocents. This is far worse for us.

By the above logic, we should go for the Seer as soon as possible, i.e. tonight. She is our main threat, and her removal should be our priority. (TGWBS [Sorry for misspelling, Rikae!])

I take your point, but shouldn't we also factor in the greater likelihood that the Ranger will play conservatively in order to guarantee the certainty of the Seer for a further Day, and so protect Rikae toNight? (SpM)

I think it's impossible to assign a probability to the ranger protecting Rakae tonight or next night. Certainly it must be one of the two, but it all depends on who the Ranger is and how willing they are to take risks.

I don't see that a "no kill" tonight would be damaging. The Might and Holbytlass are both being withdrawn tonight anyway.

Also, a great advantage of a (potential) kill tonight is that there will be no known innocents. (TGWBS)

OK, you've convinced me. I'm in. What about the others? (SpM)

Okay, so you are suggesting to go after Rikae in the end? Well, the same thoughts like TGWBS posted occured to me before, but since Durelin suggested not to complicete it, I didn't. It is however fact that it is safer to attack Rikae tonight than to risk losing tomorrow and having to attack the day after that. And also, when TM and Holby are out, I think we can actually consider it as if we killed two people!

Okay, if all of you agree to go after Rikae, then --Nogrod, +++Rikae (Legate)

As I said in my last PM, I'm up for either one. And I said from the beginning that a tricksy Ranger might skip protecting her toNight so he/she could next Night, and if simple me can think of that, then anyone can. So, we might as well go for it. (durelin)

Only one other point why not try to kill Rikae, but Nogrod tonight is, that if we kill Nogrod, we'll show the cobbler the correct way (Nog is highest on the list). (Legate)

I think going after Rikae toNight, even if we don't get her, will at least confuse people a bit. I think the natural tendency is to assume the wolves won't "risk" passing by a kill. (durelin)

I am planning to maintain my position that Manwe is most probably a "blundering innocent", and I will probably be examining those who strongly accused or voted for him yesterDay (which will include one or two of you, but that's no bad thing) (spM)



Well... that's a thoroughly abridged version! The full thing runs to 13 pages. But it was me who managed to convince the others to go for Rikae. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Gah. Apart from you, I had them all spotted.Guess how I was screaming to my computer screen when no one seemed to pay the attention your points merited!

[Nogrod]

Thanks tgwbs for the interesting read - even if and because of being abridged! That explained a lot.

[Lalaith]

In answer to your query, Noggie, about which thread, I think this one so everyone can be sure to admire Legate's beautiful tribute.

You know, I was thinking, there's a Fenris club, we should also have a little club for Seers who are forced to out themselves on the first day because they're about to be lynched. Rikae and I both qualify.

What could we call ourselves? The Cassandras, perhaps.

[the guy who be short]

See, Mr Nogrod? Maths is your enemy! :p

[Roa_Aoife]

So, at last, you can find out what I was thinking with all th crazy playing.

Defense of Nogrod/ attack of SPM? To tell the truth, I was fairly certain Nogrod was innocent by the end of Day 1, and I was positive SPM was guilty by the start of Day 2. However, as cobbler, I needed a way to let the wolves know who I was with out tipping off the rest of the village. I couldn't put a hint in my post- it was too much of a risk that someone else would pick it up. I decided that the best way was to vehemently defend someone on Day 1, and put that person at the top of the list that would be sent to wolves. Incredibly obvious for them, but no one else would be any the wiser. I wasn't concerned about SPM geting lynched on the chance that he was a faithful- has he ever been lynched on Day 1? Note, that after a slight mention of my suspicion against him in the beginning of Day 2, and an accusation when he instantly jumped on the "Let's kill Roa" bandwagon, I pretty much dropped my case against him. I took Durelin's "Roa's analysis are helpful and not suspicious in the least," as affirmation that the Faithful had gotten the message.

Besides, going after SPM like that was fun. He's got to be if not the most than one of the most challenging Day-time prey in the first few Days of the game. :D

Day 2 and all the analysis- note that I found almost everyone slightly suspicious. It was, as some guessed, a giant smoke screen meant to confuse and point everyone in any direction that they wanted to go. As Nogrod said, anyone can be painted black, and if you have one person already pointing suspicion in the direction you were leaning, then it's that much easier to be fooled by it.

(Also, I did agree with all the points Legate made, and I meant it when I said he reminded me of me in my first game. I just meant my first game as a wolf. ;) )

After Rikae came out with her revelations, I didn't really believe that I ever had a chance of surviving. It was fine for me, since as Mith pointed out the village would be at a disadvantage numerically. When I read Rikae's post revealing me, I thought about just accepting my fate and then flooding the post with nonsense, but then I remember that I never do that, and so I decided to go down kicking and screaming. Again, I never expected SPM or Rikae to be lynched in my place, I just wanted to draw as much attention to myself and the debate as possible. In the end, I just wanted Day 2 to be wasted.

And for future notice, I think I may start avoiding games with seers. I just can't get away from that. :rolleyes:

[Roa_Aoife]

See, Mr Nogrod? Maths is your enemy! :p


Seeing as how it saved his life on Night 2, I'd say Math is his friend. :p

[Nogrod]

Seeing as how it saved his life on Night 2, I'd say Math is his friend. And with a tactical Ranger I could have made it one more Day... and all the other "buts" included... :D

But tgwbs I appreciated the way you twisted maths to your side in the game! I just tried to fight back...

And anyhow. I hope Kath was the only one who didn't read my post #468. So my last Day's half-aggressive tenor was nothing more than a tactical stance to provoke reactions. It turned out quite a silent Day then and only the Faithfuls (basically) commented before the last hours when I had already kind of pulled away from that accusatory tone. So that was a trick enabled by my known innocence, not my way of playing this game anymore. Although I remember to have played much more aggressively in some of my first games... :rolleyes:



Wishing to include this too, just to gloat a bit...
You know, re-reading the thread last night, I became increasingly convinced of the possibility of Roa being the Cobbler. It would possibly explain her defence of Nogrod (if she thought him a Faithful) and her antagonism towards me (if she thought me innocent).
However, I do believe that she thought Nogrod to be a Faithful and me to be an innocent (so she got one thing right ).
Funny. I had just the oppositie impression... and I even think I would have grounds for it based on general Cobblery and some knowledge of the ways Roa works...
To tell the truth, I was fairly certain Nogrod was innocent by the end of Day 1, and I was positive SPM was guilty by the start of Day 2. However, as cobbler, I needed a way to let the wolves know who I was with out tipping off the rest of the village.
:)

[Durelin]

Yay!!! First time's a charm?!

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mac! Awesome game!

Nogrod - You still were being illogical. :p

Amazing job, my comrades! SPM - I almost wish we had made a bigger scene of that spat, for the heck of it, but I guess that would have been a little...obvious.

TGWBS - You stay way too cool under pressure. It amazes me!

Legate - Brilliant! I have full confidence that if I had gone much earlier, you would have made it to the end yourself.

Awesome job, Gifteds...we were pretty much clueless who you were the entire time. :D

That was the most stressful thing I have done in a while...

If anyone's interested, I can post an abridged version of Legate's and my plotting those last Nights we were but two.

[the guy who be short]

This is all you're getting from me for a while. I need sleep.

This Night was less interesting, obviously, because we had to go after Rikae.

Well, I think our kill is obvious - we go for Rikae again, and we know we have her.

And I'm very glad we were right on Roa. I'm sorry if voting for her along with two of you is a problem, but I must say it is what I would have done as an innocent.

Anyone look like a Gifted to anyone? Mith was acting very strange near the end there, but who knows. (durelin)

But though Roa was in so bad situation, she played it rather well, did she?

tgwbs, if it would be possible, I'd go with you tomorrow against Brinniel, pretending I thought of it and she seems strange. If we could get Rune convinced to it (and perhaps someone else), it'd be good.

But to what concerns me the most now (since it touches mainly me, of course) - Rikae did the retract of Mith and voted for me, unknown reason which even I don't get (legate)

I rather wish that she had toned down her attack on me (which rather put me in the spotlight) and her "love-fest" with Legate (which could cause him problems toMorrow). Still, flooding the thread with her analysis was a good move, since it made a fair few quite defensive and her situation did rather dominate the Day's debate to our advantage.

And I don't regard Roa's death as a setback at all. She is there to sacrifice herself for us.

It looks like, having shaken Roa off, Nogrod is now on my case. Since he is a proven innocent, that might be problematic for me. But he has yet to explain his case

I agree with Legate that there is scope for racking up suspicion against both Lommy and Brinniel toMorrow

No idea where Mithalwen's case against me came from. Again, it is unexplained. However, her efforts to save Roa might be used to beat her with a bit. (SpM)

I too think Roa did an excellent job as Tar-Miriel. A whole day wasted! I can't believe any villagers actually considered believing her act.

I believe that if SpM manages to live through tomorrow, he'll be lucky. My defending SpM may bring suspicion upon me. I cannt now go back on it. But if it looks bad for him, and if he agrees, I think Legate and especially durelin should consider voting SpM.

My plans for tomorrow are thus:

Attack all those who voted for Roa or considered believing her. This is how I will bring pressure on Legate and durelin. However, I will emphasize the votes of those who are not Faithful (obviously).

I will also add this advantage we have: The villagers were as blind today, and will be as blind tomorrow, as they were on day 1. We didn't manage a kill last night and tonight we're killing Rikae, the obvious choice. This means people can't analyse who we kill and trace it back to us. Accusations remain somewhat wild (TGWBS)

My plan is (time permitting) to try and get back into my more traditional analysis role. No one has really done a proper analysis of the votes yet, so I’ll be looking at that. I’ll also be considering what Roa’s analyses might tell the village and putting some pressure on those who shyed away from voting for her.

Not fully decided on my main targets. On the one hand, I am inclined to go for Rune and Kitanna – for casting doubt on Manwe and then withdrawing on Day 1 and generally for relatively content-free contributions.

The other possibility is a strong attack on Mithalwen, as there is definitely material there, particularly given her attempt to orchestrate Roa’s continued survival at my expense. (SpM)

Other than that...I think Lommy is a good option, and I always go after Kath, so I might do that as well.

Well, can't think of much else to discuss, other than possible Gifteds. I agree Mith's behavior was strange. Might get her lynched

Oh, another thing about Lommy...if it's accurate to say that she seems "edgy," there might be a possibility of Giftedness. (durelin)

About the Gifteds - Mith&Lommy seem strange

I was checking this. So, this far, who CANNOT be the pair (because they accuse each other):
Brinniel with Hookbill, Rune or Thin;
Kitanna with Mänwe or Thin;
Lalaith with Mith or Nogrod;
Mänwe with Kitanna, Nogrod or Rune;
Mithalwen with Lalaith;
Nogrod with Lalaith, Mith or Thin;
Rune with Mänwe;
Thin with Brinniel, Kitanna or Nogrod.

WHOM I FIND LIKELY:
Nogrod-Kath/Nogrod-Kitanna (legate)

Very much compressed from 11 pages.

[Macalaure]

That's a beautiful picture, Legate. Thanks! :)

This was one rollercoaster of a game, I think. There were completely silent and completely hectic phases, at some times it seemed like you're having the Faithfuls by their necks, and some times where all were completely confused. It was great fun to follow!

Kudos to especially Durelin and Legate. An excellent showcase of looking innocent! It was quite thrilling to see how Durelin re-gained everybody's trust by the wolf-on-wolf action with the Saucepan Man. That was great Werewolf.

You were so lucky with your hunter-kill of Lommy, though.

Thanks for liking my modding and the narrations. :) Once again, sorry for that darn mistake...


And I second the introduction of the Cassandra Seer! :D

[Durelin]

Can you believe we wanted to avoid the hunter... :rolleyes: :o

[Macalaure]

Oh, and before I forget, a great Thank You! to everybody who played. Many people who originally would have preferred to skip the game due to lack of time signed up because they received one of a busload of PMs I sent around while originally having 7 players after two weeks of waiting. I feel honoured by you. Suddenly I had twenty players and a really long game. If Lommy had been successful, this game could have been the first one (I think) to extend to nine days. Wow!

Thanks to everybody, and especially those who took part because I asked them to.

[the guy who be short]

I just realised this is the last night I have here, so I may as well post it. Then I died, so the other wolves can take over.

And that's about as good as a day could be! 6 people voted for, none of them Faithful! (TGWBS)

I think that we all did extremely well, reflected in the fact that none of us received a vote... setting Rune and Brinniel at each other was a snazzy move. (Spm)

Nogrod... when?

He'll probably be protected tonight, unless the ranger knows this and double-bluffs and protects him tomorrow night.

You know, these villagers are so good at confusing themselves because we've left no trail. I don't want to start leaving one now. Whoever we kill, try to make sure the link to us isn't too strong.

I'd prefer not to kill Mith as she is one of the only people to trust in my innocence (TGWBS)

Anyway...tomorrow I plan to continue to go after Rune, perhaps...

And I think Mith is a good possibility. She's being too dramatic for my tastes anyway. The only thing I might regret about getting rid of her is her suspicion of Lalaith, who could still make a good lynch candidate, I think...

Should we consider getting rid of one of Gil or Hookbill, or do you think people will really turn on them (or can be turned on them) soon enough? (durelin[Yes! they will!)

I've based this list on peoples' accusations on each other: who suspected any other, possibly is not in league with him. It is not 100% foolproof, I might have made a mistake in reasoning somewhere, but I tried to remark only what seemed to be completely explicite suspicions on each other. Thus, by sorting these off, I came to this list of possible pairs of Ranger&Hunter (from those who are still alive):

Gil-Galad - with Kath, Kitanna, Mith, Nogrod or Rune.
Hookbill - with Mith, Nogrod, or Rune.
Kath - with Gil-Galad or Mithalwen.
Kitanna - with Gil-Galad, Mithalwen or Rune.
Lalaith - possibly is not either, because accused everyone.
Mänwe - possibly is not either, because accused everyone.
Mithalwen - with Gil-Galad, Hookbill, Kath, or Kitanna.
Nogrod - with Gil-Galad or Hookbill.
Rune - with Gil-Galad, Hookbill, or Kitanna.
Thin - possibly is not either, because accused everyone. (legate)

there are a number of people now who seem more likely to attract votes than us, namely:

Lalaith
Manwe
Lommy
Rune
Gil-Galad
Hookbill

ToMorrow, I plan on continuing with my suspicions of Rune and I will be looking at those last minute voters for Brinniel (which might be portrayed as an attempt to save him). These happily include Lalaith and Lommy

I did wonder whether Rune might be the Ranger for his “Silly Sod” comment after voting closed. It looks like he probably thought he was about to be lynched and was berating the village

I do not think that we should kill Hookbill or Gil-Galad. With Nogrod still around, there is always a good chance that they will be turned on. Kath is a possibility, though. (SpM)

we must try to get a gifted. Rune looks like one to me for his silly sods comment. I'm also not sure there's much chance of getting him lynched tomorrow - the case against him seemed to pop out of nowhere. Killing him would also confuse the village, because they'd find that their top 2 candidates were innocent! I'm not sure what they'd make of this, though.

Lalaith, Manwe, Hookbill, Gil there's a chance of lynching tomorrow. Stay away from them, I say.

So, in summation, who to kill:
I am for Rune and Mith, in that order.
I am neutral regarding Kath.
I am against killing the others. (TGWBS)

So, we must try to get a gifted. Rune looks like one to me for his silly sods comment.The more I think about it, the more I agree. And a Ranger is more likely to have made that comment that a Hunter.

My main concern about killing Rune is that there are a fair few who suspected him. I like the potential for confusion that killing Rune brings.

On reflection, I am in favour of killing Rune, and would not have any problem with killing either Mith or Kath. I would prefer to leave Kitanna, as her quietness and non-controversial approach may begin to gather suspicion. (SpM)

I'm just trying to figure out what the villagers will make of us killing Rune (if we do). I think it's pretty much a wild card - it's such an unconventional thing to do.

What could the Faithful achieve by showing the village that both its chief suspects were innocent? One theory would propose that there would be a few wolves among the Brinniel voters, who, fearing attention next day, would remove the spotlight on them by revealing that all those who voted for Rune also voted for an innocent. (TGWBS)

Killing Rune is a risk, there's no doubt about it. But it will not be expected, and I rather like that. I also think that there's a reasonable chance that he's the Ranger, and that would be a great kill. (SpM)

Maybe it is true that Rune might have been the Ranger. I would agree with going after Rune, the only thing which slightly concerns me is that I would be the only one left from the "suspicion triangle" of Rune-Brinniel-me

So, either Mith, Rune or Kath. (legate)

I'd rather not kill Rune because I think we can get him lynched, but the majority is for it, so that's fine with me. (durelin)

Also abridged from 13 pages. I died next Day, so I have no more night posts. The other faithfuls will provide.

[Brinniel]

Aha! I knew Legate was a faithful! Even after I was lynched I kept him in my mental list the entire time. Well, at least one of my hunches were correct. :rolleyes:

Good job to all the faithfuls, especially Durelin, who was the only one of the faithfuls I never seriously suspected (and I'm including the time after I was dead).

Anyways, I've enjoyed playing my first game of WW, even though my time was short. I loved following the game even after I was lynched, trying to come up with my own analysis. Hopefully, studying this game will help me do better the next time around. Ah...me and my newbieness... :rolleyes:

My only regret is that I couldn't devote as much time as I would've liked. This game started the same week as midterm week, when all my papers were due, so what can I say? I was swamped... The most frustrating thing I found was that deadline for me was at 4pmEST....and on Mondays and Wednesdays I had classes from 12-3:45. I hated voting so early, plus I missed out on the most exciting action. Blasted school! If I can ever get my wireless up and running I may just end up WWing on my laptop during class. :p

Ooh...this was lots of fun....I'm excited to get involved in the next game. Thanks to Mac for this lovely game and especially for PMing an invitation....otherwise, I might have never gotten involved!

[Mänwe]

Certainly a rather bloodthirsty and emotional breaking of my WW virginity as it were. Albeit it slightly marred at a certain point, which I am thankful has been resolved. And for my part I in it I apologise also.

Great bit of animation there too!

And I would also like to extend a warm thank you to Gil for watching my six on Night 3.

[Gil-Galad]

in referance to my watch list, after the first wolf kills, i fugred that the wolves were palying low by taking out some of the quiet ones, so i focused on protecting them first, i had total luck protecting Roa the first night

and i never thought Legate could be a faithful, he was too quiet and i'm pretty sure this was his first game too and its a risk giving a new person a important task, i mean this is only the second time i have received Ranger and i have only been a wolf once


but in the all good game, i lasted longer then usual...

[Garin]

Okay, I basically made a suicide attempt and you guys went along with it. My reasoning was "if these guys can read between the lines and correctly weigh my first posts against my last minute posts, they will let me live and I'll remain committed to the village." So much for that crap.
Anyways, RL issues came into play and it pained me that I would lack the time and commitment. So I just wanted to make a play that would insure that the village trusted me enough. I didn't have time to constantly defend myself.
My personal list of first day guilties: TGWBS, Saucerino, Kitanna and LEGATE.
Congrats to Legate for managing to fool just about everyone. I KNEW you were a baddie and just rolled my eyes as I watched the village act as if you were a saint. Amazing job. (Please review my posts and one can see where I dropped hints to my beloved village.)
Guy, I actually figured you were a faithful after I was lynched. Your demise was rather unfortunate but you handled it with such class. I would've put Rune as guilty over you until I was lynched. When I returned home from work and saw my demise I had that sinking that you were one of them.
SAUCE! I've actually studied your technique in games in which I did not participate. I used to have time and I love WW. My suspicions of you fell mainly into the "well, it would figure" category. I gave a a little hint to the village that if you didn't die by lynching and the faithfuls kept you alive... well.... the same could be said of me.
Kitanna
Keep in mind that it was early, a day's worth, into the game. I thought that you seemed a little aloof.
I'm sure you had reasons, as did I.
Also, I always want to lynch Gil.
Bless his heartl

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Congrats to Legate for managing to fool just about everyone. I KNEW you were a baddie and just rolled my eyes as I watched the village act as if you were a saint. Amazing job. (Please review my posts and one can see where I dropped hints to my beloved village.)
Thanks, Garin. Actually, if you are interested, there is one thing I have posted to my comrades on Night 2 (tgwbs dropped it when posting the short version of our plotting; in general it is unimportant):
I am really happy about getting rid of Garin, I didn't like him and he gave me creeps from the very beginning, but I didn't dare to join the march against him. I am happy it turned out for good without my intervention.
You see, it is not nice to see someone accusing you the first day you play, and even more so if you are really guilty :rolleyes:

[The Saucepan Man]

Yay!* We won! Well done, my fellow Faithfuls. I always knew that we had "right" on our side. ;)

Thanks to TGWBS for "taking my bullet". Obivously, the result would have been the same mathematically whichever of us had been lynched. But I wonder whether you might have survived longer than me. Thanks also for your sensible (and logical) contributions to our Nightly plotting. I still think that going for Rikae on Night 2 was the right thing to do. It was too risky not to, as it could in theory have left her alive for another Day, had we not. Your suggestion of Rune on Night 4 was a good one too. I believe that he would have been generally regarded as innocent for his "Silly Sods" comment otherwise.

Durelin, I enjoyed our little spats, and you handled the pressure that you came under in the middle of the game wonderfully. And, Legate, a newbie performance par excellence. I don't think that you were ever seriously in the running to be lynched. Both of you played those final two Days very well indeed. You were lucky with Lommy's list but, when I considered it myself that Night, she looked to be the best option for the kill, even though she looked likely to be the Hunter.

I was rather a reluctant Faithful, in some ways, I am afraid. Being a Faithful is probably the most time-consuming role in this game since one is occupied during the Nights as well as the Days, and posts during the Day take that much more time to check before submitting (and, even then, I made some careless mistakes). So, it is a daunting task, and I did not have as much time as I would have liked to devote to it (at least in the first few Days). Still, I cannot complain about the quality of my comrades in the least. They were wonderful players to share Faithfulness with.

Still, I was rather frustrated that I attracted suspicion early on. I was a little peeved with Roa for putting me so much in the spotlight so early on, although I understand what you were trying to do. From the list, though, I presume that you did think me innocent when you were going aggressively against me on Day 1. Still, your performance on Day 2, particularly after you were revealed, was wonderful and, in effect "bought us a Day".

Nogrod was a right thorn in the side, especially from my perspective, throughout. Funnily enough, your intuition was spot on, but I never thought that there was really much of a case against me on the evidence. It was largrly based upon "feeling", which was of course correct. The fact that you thought that I was acting the way you would if Faithful explains a lot. Lalaith, you too were rather a thorn in the side later on. Day 4, we really should have got you lynched. Alas, it was not to be ...

I actually played in much the same way that I would have had I been innocent (except Day 5), albeit with less time to do so. Hence my frustration at there being no solid case against me. My one unconvincing argument, perhaps, was that Durelin was a Faithful trying to associate herself with me as an innocent. With the benefit of hindsight, I would perhaps not have gone down that road, but happily it did Durelin little harm.

Talking of which, I really enjoyed my "borrowed Day", Day 5. I was almost certain that I would end up being lynched, so I played it as my "kamikaze" Day. My main aim was to make Durelin look better, by each of us going for each other, avoid much mention of Legate, and generally confuse with my analyses and suspicion lists. I was there right at the end watching as I was lynched, although I did not post, willing Legate to put in a decisive vote for me. :D

Those well placed Faithful-on-Faithful votes can do wonders, as I know from my first game as a Wolf. On Day 5, I thought it would be good for my fellows to go against me, and for me to go against Durelin, as we had just lost one of our number, and so might not be thought willing to lose another.

Anyway, many thanks to all for a thoroughly enjoyable game, and particularly to the MacMod for great modding, for some most enjoyable narratives (I loved my death, being a big Python fan) and also for giving me an extra Day ...

I will post highlights of the Night 5 discussions, but Durelin or Legate will have to cover the remainder.
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* "Yay!" is now obviously a generally accepted sign of Faithful/Wolf-ishness. :p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

setting Rune and Brinniel at each other was a snazzy move.
To what extend do you mean that you set me and Brinniel at each other?
Did you mean the whole Rune-Brinniel vote thing in genneral or me and Brinniels quarrels. . .

The funny thing is that I never ever really suspected TGWBS, probably as the only one in the village. I must say that you all played lovely, I was aware of SPM and Durelin, but mostly due to Nogrod's analysis. Legate on the other hand. . . .

anyways something that really bothered me after my death was when Durelin said something like "Rune's spite vote for Brinniel", seing you are a wolf I shall forgive you for that comment;)

The thing is that I make a point out of not vote out of spite and in fact I try to avoid voting for people that just voted for me, but in this case Brinniel just jumped too much to my attention. I could have voted for Legate again, but I had nothing to add to my case so it would probably not have done any good, only making me look bad for only going after him.

I thought it was a highly intertaining game, unfortunately I became bussy towards the end and have not seen what happened the last days.

[The Saucepan Man]

Again, edited highlights (and smilies removed) ...

I really hope my vote for Legate didn't look like a wolf cover up.

And sorry, SPM. Though you are still alive.

I don't wanna diiiiieeeeee! What do we do?

Well, I guess we obviously kill Nogrod. I wonder why Lalaith wanted to save herself so badly, though? Is she Gifted? Might be something we can use against her...

Well, it's somewhat funny. But first, I want to apologize to you for not being here today, nevertheless, seeing what has been happening, maybe it's for the best. Also looking at the votes, probably I wouldn't be of much help anyway even if I came and voted, since voting for Lalaith and thus saving both SpM and tgwbs would immediately associate me with you, and although we'd have a dead Lalaith then and all four of us, the numbers will still be against us and we'd be clearly exposed. Apart from maybe Hookbill (and that's really only slightly), noone seems to be suspecting me at the moment, except for you (let's not overact it!), and no one seems to associate myself with you. Hopefully. Gah, but I don't want to be some sort of solo Faithful, I want to preserve us all! Or, us three, at least.

It is very, very, very unfortunate that Nogrod happened to pick you all three *grrr* Well, I think it didn't do as much shame as it could, but still, it is enough. Maybe, just maybe, the confusion raised by Mac's mistake will distract the village somehow. But only maybe.

Okay, we are still alive, as Durelin said, so now let's play this game on. After all, the village was losing and losing for many days, as the Mod himself said, it was about time they got one of us.

First, I suggest raising a suspicion on Lalaith tomorrow for taking her vote from tgwbs and assigning it to SpM to let herself live. Not only that she might be a Faithful trying to save her neck, but even she might have retracted a vote from her comrade (known Faithful). Do not lose your cool, SpM. Those who voted for Lalaith toDay must vote for her tomorrow, and even more. Darn, I am only afraid from my post logic in game I should be suspecting SpM now...

Secondly, on who to kill. I wouldn't take Nogrod's sputter about the Ranger not protecting him yesterday too seriously. But... I have somehow come to doubt whether Nogrod actually is not the Ranger (or worse, Hunter), although he mentioned, I think, on the start of the Day 2 something quite confusing about the Ranger (like if Rikae could know who protected her or something like that). Nevertheless, do you suggest we go after Nogrod now?

Nogrod was a right thorn in the side toDay. Even though his early accusations of TGWBS, Durelin and I were later revealed to be tactical, why did he have to pick the three of us? I suspect that his intuition is on track, but he lacks the evidence to back it up. As I said in the thread, I don’t mind being suspected, but I thought his reasons (for all three of us) were very poor.

There is a risk that Nogrod was not protected last Night. But I get the feeling from his attempt to remind us of this possibility that he was. He will know, after all. Mith also made this point, which might point to her being the Ranger. Something to bear in mind.

But, for toNight, I think that we should go for Nogrod. I suspect he will not be protected and he is too much of a liability to keep around. It should quieten things down, too.

I am not overly optimistic about my chances toMorrow. If necessary, neither of you should hesitate to vote for me. It’s probably the one time when a Faithful-on-Faithful vote won’t be overly suspected, given that we lost one of our number toDay. It might be best to avoid both of you voting for me but, unless there is a miraculous turn around in my fortunes, one of you should. And make sure that it’s at a time when it counts. Durelin is probably best placed to do so, but play it as you see best.

As I said, I think that Legate is best placed of the three of us, so our main aim (apart from getting innocents lynched) should be to ensure that that remains the case.

Note - I doubt that Noggie is the Hunter but, if he is, he will probably take me down. If he is, I believe that Mith is his accomplice. Either way, we (you?) should consider killing Mith the next Night, especially if Lalaith is lynched toMorrow.

I have been looking at who TGWBS suspected and who suspected him. Here is a rough and ready list.

[This was a more basic version of the list I posted on Day 5.]

The best tack to take with this might be to look at those who he hardly mentioned and who didn't mention him, for example, Hookbill and Kitanna. It might also be used against Mithalwen. However, that might also implicate the two of you, Durelin especially. I might use it, as I have already expressed strong suspicions of Durelin.

His expressed belief in my innocence will almost certainly be used against me.

The more I think on it, the more I wonder whether it might be in the team's best interests for Durelin and I to have a big run-in toMorrow since, if one of us is lynched, it might well stand the other in good stead.

Yes, I think I already set it all up for you and I to go at each other's throats, Saucie. Unfortunately.

I agree that Nogrod should be our *attempted* kill. *crosses fingers* Do we know yet if Manwe is dead?

Perhaps a late wolf sort of sacrifice is for the best. Just play it by ear, and I readily give up myself if things are looking bad for me. I'll probably continue going after both of you, but not solely. I don't want people to pay more attention to you Legate, but I want to distance myself from you because chances are I'm going to get lynched sooner than you. Hopefully you won't get lynched at all.

I might suggest the crazy idea that Gil is a possible wolf because their votes for each other could have been a last minute attempt to distance themselves from each other, to keep Gil out of everyone's heads fully? Hmm...

I'll probably ramble about you Sauce and say how I'm confused that TGWBS would express that he thought you innocent if you are a wolf, too, because I would think he'd better separate himself...yadda....

Do you want to duke it out, Spaman, and throw everyone for a loop? I think we should definitely do so if for any reason Nogrod is protected. We might find the dynamics of the village completely different, though, toMorrow, without him around. Lommy may take his place in some respects, but she is at least more reasonable.

Since Durelin said she'd probably go after you, SpM, I most likely won't vote for you toMorrow (if such an option arises). Hopefully an argument that I am not 100% sure about you and that you might be either a total baddie or an innocent caught in bad situation will not seem strange. Durelin, I'd probably mention something like you are high on my list now, because I felt uneasy of you and now you might be constructing something, casting suspicion away from yourself by voting me etc. (is it adviceable to mention it, or should I skip the "voting for me" part?) Otherwise, I'll go against Mithalwen mainly, possibly not believing in Lalaith's guilt (so far I said almost nothing about her), mentioning Gil-Galad only sideways as a possibility of being the "black horse" after all, and expressing suspicion of Lommy.

Sacrifice being nice (oh! I'm a poet!), however, if we somehow manage to go through the next Day unharmed, it would be even better. Let's play it now how it comes. But, still we need to get rid of the Ranger/Hunter fast, or we'd have the pair on our backs. Stick with what you said in your PMs now (unless something better strikes you). Until then, and if Nogrod is the Hunter, have a nice Night/Day/.

My assessment is that, if he's [Nogrod] not protected, we're in with a reasonable chance. If he is, I think it will be an uphill struggle. Either way, I believe that you will have to conquer your fears, Legate, and prepare yourself for a lone struggle.

Your plans sound fine to me. Agreed that it all depends upon how things look in the early stages and we should play it by ear. However, I suspect that I and, to a lesser extent, Durelin will be under some pressure. Of the two of us, I think that my lynching would do us less harm, as matters stand.

Better still, neither of us, but we shall see.

[The Saucepan Man]

To what extend do you mean that you set me and Brinniel at each other?
Did you mean the whole Rune-Brinniel vote thing in genneral or me and Brinniels quarrels. . .Well, both really, but the latter more. It was nothing major, but the strategy (from my perspective, at least) was to encourage suspicion between the two of you.