Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[Macalaure]

Day Two

Menel voters (7, really 5):
Rune
Lommy
Aganzir
Mac
Espiem
Legate
Nogrod

1 is guilty and dead
1 is a known innocent
1 is very probably an innocent
4 are question marks

So one of the following four is either a wolf or a lying innocent.

Rune (early vote, one could argue a throwaway)
Lommy (Celuien voter on Day One*, even though her vote started the waggon against Menel, it does also look a little like an attempt to spread the votes further. But why should Vamplómien spread the vote when Legate was in danger?)
Aganzir (Celuien voter on Day One*, she got the waggon against Menel going)
Saucepan Man (shameless bandwaggoner, but if he was evil, he could have also thrown his vote away and saved himself from the heat)


*Keeping Eomer's very probable (unless Kitanna lies) guilt in mind, being a Celuien voter is no longer a thing that one would like to be.


Day Three

Unless some innocent filthily lied about his vote, there is at least one wolf among the SPM-voters, maybe even both (we will know more once we know how many votes Legate really received)

SPM-voters: Rikae (seer), Boro (ordo), Lommy, Aganzir, me (ordo), Nogrod (hunter)

That's Lommy and Aganzir again!

[The Saucepan Man]

...which means based on the voting tally someone who voted for Esspiem has to be a wolfNot necessarily, Boro. As I see it, there may have been tactical reasons for an innocent to state a vote for me, but instead to actually vote for someone else.

Quite possibly, an innocent pretended to vote for me, but in fact voted for Legate, tying him with me on 5 votes. I am not sure that we know how ties are resolved (I will check), but it may have been on the flip of a coin.

[The Saucepan Man]

That's Lommy and Aganzir again!Mac, I should be very grateful to hear your thoughts on my Day 1 vote reasoning, because they are looking rather innocent to me on the basis of it.

OK, we need to know for sure whether (other than the one instance which Nogrod has identified) any innocents have, at any point, stated a vote for one person, but instead actually voted for another.

I have not.

Subject to that, and assuming that Kitanna is to be believed, the following look likely to be our remaining Vampires:

Rune
Eomer

It would also, of course, be useful to hear from Rikae (although I doubt somehow that she dreamed of me ... :( ).

[Macalaure]

Possibility 2: Eomer is lying. But we know that Celuien must have received at least three votes. One of those was Roa’s Even if Eomer is lying, Lomiella and Aganzir are most likely innocent, since their two votes are the most likely explanation for Celuioen, rather than Rikae, being lynched.
We have Roa's vote, the votes of Lommy and Aganzir, and Eomer's non-vote. In this case Lommy and Aganzir look good because Celuien needed three votes to get lynched.
But there might still be that fifth (or better: fourth) mystery vote. In that case Lommy or Aganzir might very well be our third vampire next to Eomer!

edit: x-ed

[The Saucepan Man]

But there might still be that fifth (or better: fourth) mystery vote. In that case Lommy or Aganzir might very well be our third vampire next to Eomer!But risky for two Vampires to claim to vote for the same person on the off-chance that one of them would be the Lynch Seer, surely?

As for Rune, it occurs to me that he claimed yesterDay to vote for Legate - which means, if he is a Vampire, that two of those who claimed to vote for me would have had to have been lying.

[Macalaure]

I see your points.

However, if you just look at the voting of Day 2 and 3 (which I have to admit I only did), then it quite points towards the two.


As for Rune, it occurs to me that he claimed yesterDay to vote for Legate - which means, if he is a Vampire, that two of those who claimed to vote for me would have had to have been lying.I fail to see why you're so obstinate that there was no wolf among your voters. Nogrod sure might have lied, but another one, too? That's stretching it, isn't it?

[Boromir88]

Not necessarily, Boro. As I see it, there may have been tactical reasons for an innocent to state a vote for me, but instead to actually vote for someone else.~Esspiem
That's true, perhaps one of the 6 voters for you really voted for Legate tying it at 5. In which case, I'm pretty sure it is the person who receives the first vote is the one that gets lynched. I remember reading that somewhere but can't find it and I must be off soon.

As far as Rune being the last vampire, Esspiem, I don't think that's very likely. Rune voted for Legate, which means that there would have to be 2 innocents who lied about who they voted for (or just didn't tell us)...that makes it a bit more unlikely. I think there are much better people to go after than Rune, based on the info we have of Rune stating his vote for Legate.

Edit: x-ed with Mac and SpM's last posts.

[The Saucepan Man]

This is doing my head in but, unless either Nogrod or Gil is a Vampire, there were four votes cast for Rikae on Day 1. So Celuien would have had to have received four votes to be lynched - Roa, Aganzir, Lomiella - and who else? Eomer?

Aaiiii!

Is there any residual possibility that Nogrod is a Vampire and our real Hunter is laying low? If so, please Hunter come forth now, as then things would surely fall into place. The Vampires would surely be Eomer and Nogrod.

I know that this may invite a false Hunter claim - but that would be a desperate ploy for a Vampire, and would result in certain defeat.

Btw - any other thoughts on how safe it is to assume that Glirdy never voted?

[The Saucepan Man]

I fail to see why you're so obstinate that there was no wolf among your voters. Nogrod sure might have lied, but another one, too? That's stretching it, isn't it?Yes, it probably is, although I am not for now completely discounting the possibility. We need to hear from Rikae, Nogrod, Lomiella and Aganzir.

In which case, I'm pretty sure it is the person who receives the first vote is the one that gets lynched. I remember reading that somewhere but can't find it and I must be off soon.I can't find a ruling on it either. Suffice it to say that, as Legate received 5 votes, at least one of those who claimed to vote for me was (for whatever reason) lying.

We have four stated votes for Legate yesterDay: me, Shasta, Rune and Durelin. The fact that Legate actually received five votes puts all four of us in a good light - unless at least two of yesterDay's claimed votes were lies by innocents - as to which, see above (and, yes, I know that sounds self-serving - but do you really still think that I might be a Vampire after all this? :rolleyes: ).

My head hurts - would someone else, preferably a known innocent, mind drawing all this together into some sort of coherent form?

[Kitanna]

Kitanna - If you are the Shade, why are you revealing? I mean, if you are, it's all very helpful of you and thank you and all that - but surely it puts you at risk of losing the game?
It does and I know this, but I may end up following the route of Glirdan soon due to class overload and I'd rather reveal what I know before that happens. I am well aware of the danger I put myself in, but if you trust me you can grab another vampire with the lynch today and I still have at least one night to live and I can try to take down the third vampire tonight.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I hope you all have painful deaths.

I thought it was funny watching you speaking about how difficult things were for you, when you have two guardians and about a million known innocents.

This just seems so familiar...

(And yes, I have given up hope.)

[Aganzir]

I voted for Spm yesterday. I'm not a known innocent, but know myself innocent - and thus I'm left with Lommy and Nogrod, if we assume that there was (at least) one wolf among Esspiem-voters, not only lying innocents (unless someone forgot to email his/her vote).
I won't speculate on which one of them could be a vampire before I know:

Kitanna - did you lie about your votes on Days 1 & 2? I mean, the Shade could have had a reason to do so. Knowing this would help us to analyse the voting records of those Days, especially the death of Celuien.
And thank you for protecting Rikae (I guess she's the one you protected as there would have been no reason to protect anyone else), I had already given up hope that you (the Shade) would do so, after your attack on her. :)

[Diamond18]

Well, I'll be voting for Eomer toDay.

That was easy.

I see no reason to doubt Kitanna. Unless she's the last vampire and is mounting the most improbable "go it alone" strategy ever, Eomer's virtual confession just now sort of seals the deal.

[Diamond18]

Eh, I worded that wrong. Eomer is almost certainly a vamp, but I also see no reason to doubt that Kitanna is the Shade since it would be madness for her to sacrifice Eomer and try to go it alone.

[Aganzir]

Because I found them more interesting at the time. . .
I think it is very odd that you are implying that I should look at whom people in genneral suspects the most and advice Rikae to look at them. Not only would that allow the vampires great infulence on the dream (if Rikae listened to the advice) it would also be very populistic. . .I hate populists.
You're right. I didn't think about the matter enough before posting it. At that moment I was more inclined to vote for Spm than for Legate, and as I knew that Roa was innocent, and had no reason not to believe Nogrod was the Hunter, it really seemed to me that it was deliberate that you didn't suggest Rikae to dream of Spm (those three were the names she had herself stated, eventhough only to see what kind of suggestions she would get). Two Menel-voters had lied, and I began to see a connection between you and Spm, as you both had voted for him. Apparently I was completely wrong, because yesterDay I was pretty sure you two were Vampires, and now that Legate is dead it seems very unlikely that either of you are.

[Durelin]

Well, this is really sucking it up for the Vampires...I feel bad. Seriously.

This just shows how terrible I am with anything...logistical? Anyway...

...what about Gil as the last Vampire?

[Durelin]

You know, you guys are so lucky I wasn't the Shade. I would have let you all die slowly, encouraging you to trust Eomer..... :p

Actually, I would have just killed Rikae last night...

[Aganzir]

This is doing my head in but, unless either Nogrod or Gil is a Vampire, there were four votes cast for Rikae on Day 1. So Celuien would have had to have received four votes to be lynched - Roa, Aganzir, Lomiella - and who else? Eomer?
This is why I wanted to know if Kitanna voted for Celuien or for someone else, although she said she didn't. For if she didn't, then either Nogrod or Gil should be a vampire (if I didn't miss something).

[Diamond18]

Geez, where is Rikae? I hope she doesn't think she's dead and doesn't bother to show up. I want to know who she dreamt of.

[Aganzir]

And hope she wasn't so sure of her death that she would not have bothered to pick anyone to dream of.

I'll go and have some sleep now - I'll probably be back a couple of hours before the deadline, since it's school tomorrow and my school library is only open on Thursdays and Fridays (though the breaks are too short that I would have time to post anything even if the library was open). :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Back again from the May 1st... And how interesting this is getting! And as Spm said, I feel the tide turning after many arduous Days and Nights. Let's figure this out!

My first thoughts: let's lynch Eomer who even himself kind of admitted (that's the new wolf stategy - being absent and then saying "I don't mind but love to see you take the toil of it"). Anyhow that would probably kill a wolf and thence relieve Kitanna as she clearly might then be our helper in our success. Okay, the vampires might kill her then but there are lots of other targets for them as well (myself, Rikae, Boro, Mac). So everything's open for the future after that.

And good work ranger and shade! One thing that caught my eye was that the narration led us understand that it was the same person that the shade and the ranger protected. So it might not have been Rikae as Rikae was defended last Night already? This would say the vamps were not after Rikae last Night.

So Kitanna, you might consider telling us who did you cover last Night as you have now revealed yourself anyhow! I know why you wouldn't, but just think of the spirit of the winning on the side of the goodies! And possibly we win this with your help toMorrow without you needing to go down (they might wish to kill Rikae, myself, Mac, Boro instead).

The information would be nice as I think the Ranger should lay low as s/he has so far at this moment a reason not to reveal whom s/he protected.

Yay ranger! You're driving those baddies mad! Kudos!

Edit: X'd with a few... + added a few "s" to where they belonged... + made sense of a sentence that had none before... (the last one before the Kudos! -one)

[Nogrod]

Kitanna speaks the truth = Eomer is a vampire.

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Kitanna lies to us = Eomer is or is not a vampire.

In that case we waste one kill (Eomer) but as we have so many known innocents (at least three) we can afford to trust that so much as to try it out this way. I mean the shade helped us last Night (according to the narration) and thence wished us good - as that is reasonable anyhow - and so far Kitanna is the only one to have voiced it...



But let's us not leave the discussion here!


If Eomer indeed is a vampire that opens all the discussion from Day1 votes again!

And the situation changes...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Woo.

++Eomer

Let's see.... this post may not make a lot of sense, because I'm leaving in... fifteen minutes to go to work, but here goes:

Confirmed Innocents:

Rikae
Nogrod
Macalaure
Boromir

Shade:

Kitanna

Would it make sense to say that all of yesterday's Legate voters are innocent?

[Rikae]

Lommy is innocent.

++Eomer.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Erm, guys? Didn't Eomer just admit he's a Vampire, more or less?

[Gil-Galad]

i missed half the day and we alreayd bagged ourselves a vampie and possibly one more!

after Legates death, who is a vampire, i still want to incline to my theory before, but now Shasta doesn't seem that vampirish, and if Kitanna is right and Eomer is the vampire then we are good to go

In Kitanna we trust

++Eomer


(OOC: for fear of not coming back on, it is my bros b-day, i vote now)

Xed: with Sixth

[The Sixth Wizard]

Yeah, why not...

++Eomer of the Rohirrim

[Nogrod]

I agree with lynchig Eomer toDay.

But let us not be too hasty with it to subdue any other discussion. We still have the third Vampire around and s/he should not slip us!

So I come back to this:

Day3
Di: Glirdy (Glirdy 1)
Xyzzy: Nogrod (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1)
Sixth: Durelin (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1)
Esspiem: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1)
Rikae: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1, Spm 1)
Shasta: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 1)
Boro: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 2)
Lommy: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 3)
Kitanna: Eomer (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 3, Eomer 1)
Rune: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Spm 3, Eomer 1)
Aganzir: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Spm 4, Eomer 1)
Durelin: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Spm 4, Eomer 1)
Mac: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Spm 5, Eomer 1)
Nogrod: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Spm 6, Eomer 1)

No votes: Glirdy (dead innocent), Legate (dead vampire), Eomer

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According to Boro (a known innocent) Legate (a vampire) received 5 votes and not 4 as was told!

According to the stated voting Spm got 6 votes and not the 5 / 4 he might have actually received.

According to the information toDay, the shade was helping us innocent villagers... so we should take Kitanna's word for her vote as given at this moment.

If you look at the tally it means that Rikae, Boro, Mac and myself voted for Spm. And as we have no reason to lie at this point (I as a hunter voted indeed Spm) it looks like Spm had four votes at least.

But Legate had actually 5 votes as a known innocent claims it to be so!

Spm, Shasta, Rune, Durelin voted for Legate - it's four votes and there is then one missing...

So they are innocent as well?

Probably they are... as we need the innocent people to vote.

So what say you Aganzir? Your vote might have just fitted in before Spm got his... :p

I need to think this more carefully again but this far I might say our vampires are Eomer and Aganzir.

The Day1 voting needs to be seen again, though. I can see Eomer twisting that thing with one but with two? Then it leads to Kitanna...

But lynching Eomer will give us a lot of the answers to begin with.

EDIT: X'd with a few...

[Kitanna]

++ Eomer

Also I'd like to say I did NOT attack Rikae on Night 3. In fact I tried to kill Eomer in the night, but it appeared he had been protected from my attack. As you may have guessed I protected Rikae last night.

Since there's a good chance of my own demise tonight, I am looking for thoughts on who the third vampire may be. I can't protect anyone tonight and I'd hate to think a dream may go to waste, but I can attempt to kill the third vampire if, as a village, we can reach a general consensus.

[Nogrod]

If Lommy is innocent it makes Spm gathering 5 votes.

That means the Legate must have acquired the same 5 votes before Spm.

How is that possible?

Spm was voted by 5 known innocents: Rikae, Lommy, Boro, Mac and Nogrod. So there has to be at least 5 Legate voters...

The Legate voters were: Spm, Shasta, Rune, Durelin.

So we're missing at least one here.

Looking at the voting record (not that we can take it from the face-value as the vampires might have voted a lot earlier / later that they claimed they did) it looks like Aganzir's vote on Spm is the one that solves the problem (it fits well also with the way Eomer the possible vampire lied about the tally in the first place).

Now you ask whether a first timer would have been so sneaky... I can tell you she might just as well be. She's no newcomew into this game.

But let's lynch Eomer toDay and see how you other people react to this solution...

Remember baddies, as a hunter I might say one thing and hunt the other one.

EDit: X'd with Kitanna...

[Nogrod]

I can attempt to kill the third vampire if, as a village, we can reach a general consensus.Eomer was then protected by Legate or the X. Now Eomer will be killed so how about you try Aganzir toNight. I might hunt her as well. We might get her nicely before she can do any further harm... or at least lynch her toMorrow.

But to complicate things again...
Also I'd like to say I did NOT attack Rikae on Night 3. In fact I tried to kill Eomer in the night, but it appeared he had been protected from my attack.So who was it? Should we try to go on interpreting the narration again? So it was a vampire-ranger who did the protecting there? (I have gathered the vampires in the narrations must be out of their bodies anyhow - so as they discuss things they can refer to people of the village, even themselves).

But that's a question I might hope some contributions of you others....

I stil think voting Eomer toDay is a good idea (solves at least a couple of riddles), but there seems to be discrepancies still... I try to think more of them tomorrow (RL) as now I'm off to sleep...

[xyzzy]

Well, that's easy.

++Eomer.

Hmm... hopefully the night will reveal for sure who the final vampire is.

[Durelin]

I think Rikae's a wolf.

[The Saucepan Man]

I stil think voting Eomer toDay is a good idea ...Erm, yes, I should imagine that it is given that he has admitted to being a Vampire!

The only other possibility is that he is the Shade and has taken the side of the Vampires. Unlikely, given that this would make Kitanna a Vampire and she was the one who outed him. In any event, if this is the case, we simply lynch Kitanna toMorrow and still have numbers on our side.

I need to think this more carefully again but this far I might say our vampires are Eomer and Aganzir.The only problem with this is that, unless Gil was lying about his Day 1 vote, then Rikae received four votes (Menel, Gil, Brinniel and Nogrod). Which means that Celuien must have received at least four votes too. There were four votes stated for her - Lomiella, Eomer, Roa and Aganzir. Given that Eomer's vote did not count, this rather suggests that Aganzir's did, and even then we are still missing a vote for Celuien.

No one has indicated that they lied about their votes for Menel (7 stated - but one was Legate's - 5 received) or me (6 stated, 5 or less received). Which suggests that the remaining Vampire claimed to have voted for Menel on Day 2 and me on Day 3.

The only non-known innocents to vote for Menel (other than Legate) were Rune, Aganzir and me.

The only non-known innocent to vote for me was Aganzir.

So the Celuien votes suggest that Aganzir is not a Vampire, while the votes for me suggest that she is the only one who could be.

Aaargh!

It is, of course, possible that someone was lying about their vote for Rikae and/or that someone was lying about their vote for Celuien. But why would they do that if Aganzir is the third Vampire?

Add to that a vote for Legate still unaccounted for, and it seems that an innocent has been lying about their vote. But why?

I'm stumped.

It remains possible that Nogrod is the third Vampire, as that I think would fit with all the voting 'facts' that we know. But everyone has spoken since he first made his Hunter claim and again toDay, I think, and no one has sought to contest his claim. So, unless this 'real Hunter' is holding out on us (and why would she/he do so?), that cannot be the case.

[xyzzy]

I think Rikae's a wolf.
What?!?

...Okay, after thinking about that, you may be right. I won't be the first... second... twelfth to jump on that suggestion, but I suppose it's an extremely remote, highly improbable possibility.

I would suggest trusting Kitanna; Rikae can examine him tonight, and if something comes up, he's dead. And if Rikae turns out to be wrong, we have our last Vampire.

[Durelin]

Where does xyzzy factor in to all of this?

What a marvellous cross-post.

[The Saucepan Man]

I think Rikae's a wolf.Why, yes, that's a possibility. The Vampire Seer may have spotted Mac and Boro as innocents, allowing her to safely claim them as such.

But then, surely now is the time for the real Seer (who, in this situation, has been keeping quiet in order to buy time) to step forward so that we can wrap this thing up?

[Rikae]

What?!?

...Okay, after thinking about that, you may be right. I won't be the first... second... twelfth to jump on that suggestion, but I suppose it's an extremely remote, highly improbable possibility.

I would suggest trusting Kitanna; Rikae can examine him tonight, and if something comes up, he's dead. And if Rikae turns out to be wrong, we have our last Vampire.I wish I were a vampire, that would be much more impressive than my pathetic performance as seer.
Oh, and by the way, Kitanna is female...

[The Saucepan Man]

I would suggest trusting Kitanna; Rikae can examine him tonight ...Er, we will know if Kitanna is what she claimes to be if we lynch Eomer (which we are well on the way to doing) and he is proven to be a Vampire. He has, in any event, admitted as much, so the chanes that she is a Vampire are ... erm ... negligible.

Where does xyzzy factor in to all of this?Xyzzy claimed to have voted for Lomiella on Day 1, Rune on Day 2 and Nogrod on Day 3, so that doesn't really help us.

[Boromir88]

Ok, so let's take it from this approach, and just start eliminating names to get the last wolf narrowed down as far as possible. So we have:

Gil-Galad
The Saucepan Man
Rikae
Boromir88
Nogrod
Thinlómien
Aganzir
Xyzzy
Macalaure
Diamond18
Shastanis Althreduin
Kitanna
Durelin
Rune Son of Bjarne
The Sixth Wizard

Ok, so known innocents based upon revelations and seer dreams:

Rikae
Nogrod
Kitanna
Mac
Boro
Thinlomien

Presumed innocent (and fairly sure they're innocent), based upon voting for Legate yesterday:

Sauce
Shasta
Rune
Durelin

With one more being unknown.

I honestly think that we should just forget about the Celuien votes, as evil vampire Eomer was behind that. So, I honestly think any attempt at trying to dissect it will just lead to confusion (as it already has today).

Leaving:

Gil
Aganzir
Xyzzy
Diamond
The Sixth

Of those, based upon Nogrod's revelation as the lynch seer yesterday, the only one that would fit to being a vampire (since Kitanna - the shade- did not vote for Menel) would be Aganzir.

Now, SpM, I think there are all sorts of possibilities and what not if Nogrod is messing with us, an innocent villager is lying about their votes..etc. But, I think we go with the practical answer that sitting right in front of us...and that is Menel received 5 votes, from 7 claimed...one vampire has been found, the other only one there we don't know about is Aganzir. Yesterday from the 6 claimed against SpM, he must have received at most 5...the only one we don't know about is Aganzir.

So, I think since we have a big advantage in numbers we go for the practical and the person that's sitting right in front of our face we don't know about their identity and both times the votes didn't add up...that person of course is Aganzir.

We lynch Eomer today and Kitanna, Nogrod, whoever go after Aganzir tonight. If Aganzir is not the last vampire, someone is pulling our leg and we need to start searching again.

Edit: x-ed with several people

[Durelin]

*doesn't want to believe it's Aganzir*

[Nogrod]

So, I think since we have a big advantage in numbers we go for the practical and the person that's sitting right in front of our face we don't know about their identity and both times the votes didn't add up...that person of course is Aganzir.

We lynch Eomer today and Kitanna, Nogrod, whoever go after Aganzir tonight. If Aganzir is not the last vampire, someone is pulling our leg and we need to start searching again.I do agree... But as I have chances to come back before the Day closes I'll reserve my vote still to foresee any miracles.

But without them I'm going for checking Eomer... via a lynch toDay.

And didn't I say that the shade would win with us? :)

Feeling good at the moment (it can change but at the moment all looks bright the first time...)!

[The Saucepan Man]

Er, we will know if Kitanna is what she claims to be if we lynch Eomer (which we are well on the way to doing) and he is proven to be a Vampire.Scrub that. As Di noted, there is a possibility that both Eomer and Kitanna are Vampires (and the Shade remains hidden), although its highly improbable.

I honestly think that we should just forget about the Celuien votes, as evil vampire Eomer was behind that.But I am not basing my reasoning on Eomer's Lynch Seer revelation. I am basing it on the fact that, if Nogrod is true, Rikae received three votes from known innocents, and a fourth from unknown Gil. Which means that Celuien must have received at least three votes, possibly four. Discounting Eomer's vote, only three people claimed to vote for Celuien - Lomiella, Roa and Aganzir.

*doesn't want to believe it's Aganzir*Me neither. I'm all for Boro's suggestion of discounting the unlikely and going for the likely, but the Celuien vote makes me wonder how the third Vampire can be Aganzir.

But, I agree that we should lynch Eomer toDay, and that gives us the rest of toDay and another Day after that to ponder the identity of the third Vamp.

Btw, I am still awaiting an apology from all of those who suddenly turned against me yesterDay with no solid evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that I came across as being helpful ... :rolleyes: ;)

[Nogrod]

I'll reserve my vote still to foresee any miracles.
Sorry... :o

Just waiting for any miraculous revelations to happen or something... I really don't think I can foresee anything but by logic. And these should be there for all of us to share. So just see for yourselves!

:D

[Nogrod]

Btw, I am still awaiting an apology from all of those who suddenly turned against me yesterDay with no solid evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that I came across as being helpful ...That's the problem with you.

You're so helpful and your voting record is terrible and the way you refer to it with all those smilies - being the first to note that "I am such an suspicious one as well ;) " - made me feel more than suspicious of you. You're so ready to prevent any supicions by stating them yourself that it makes one wonder...

Not to say that you looked as helpful to the village, not only by mere words but performatively as well, that I thought you must be a vampire as I would have done the very same were I a vamp here... :D

But yes, I'm feeling a lot safer with you right now as the things are bubbling in other quarters. I indeed felt a little bad voting you even though I had you as my main suspect... For Legate (my last Night's hunted) I had much less in belief even though a bit more in reason... well what do you learn of that after all? :rolleyes:

But as a hunter I will not say anything and reserve my right to hunt whoever I see fit for the next Night.

[Durelin]

Nogrod, we "know" you're the Hunter...you can stop reminding us in nearly every post... :p

I can still certainly stop believing you. ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

You're so helpful ...But don't you see that I cannot win by this logic? If I was not being helpful, you would be one of the first to remark on it and cast suspicion on me for it.

I mean, your comment yesterDay (#453) that I looked suspicious for having put forward ideas that worked against the Vampires was just ludicrous. How would you have me play? Silent, unhelpful and surly?

... and your voting record is terrible ...Er, excuse me? I have voted for one more Vampire than you have (unless Rikae be false).

You're so ready to prevent any supicions by stating them yourself that it makes one wonder...Yes, and if I did not state such things, then I would be labelled as suspicious for having tried to hide the fact that reasoning that I bring forward might implicate me.

Still, this is perhaps best saved for the afterthread, when we know what's what.

After all, for all you know, I might be a Vampire yet. :rolleyes:

(I'm not, by the way - so I'm looking forward to that apology ;) ).

[The Saucepan Man]

Nogrod, we "know" you're the Hunter...You mean ... Noggie said that he's the Hunter ...? Blimey! :eek: ;)

[Diamond18]

I would suggest trusting Kitanna; Rikae can examine him tonight, and if something comes up, he's dead. And if Rikae turns out to be wrong, we have our last Vampire.

I think it would be an absolute and complete waste for Rikae to dream of Kitanna. She's the Shade. Trust her.

Oh and Durelin's the Cobbler. Ignore her.

:p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

would it be totaly wack to make a system where 2 our of

Gil
Aganzir
Xyzzy
Diamond
The Sixth


was told to vote for one person x and afterwards the 3 others was told to vote for another y. (each group voting for the same person)

If X dies we know that it was because that it reached 2 votes the first and that the wolf is in the second group, if Y dies it means that the vampire is in the other group,

Of course the fault with this plan is that it only works if we are sure there is a vampire in that group and we are not. . ..so actually you should just forget what I just said.

Well, I am going to leave the sugestion up, just in case it becomes relevant at some point.

[Rikae]

I'd say that's a good suggestion, Rune...if they would all do as we command ..

[xyzzy]

I'd say that's a good suggestion, Rune...if they would all do as we command ..
I'd be willing to die to find the last Vampire. I like the idea.

[Durelin]

Oh and Durelin's the Cobbler. Ignore her.

Oh noes! What sort of crackpot induction be this?! *flails about with a cobble-cobble*

++Durelin

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Well, I suppose we will have to take a look at it tomorrow as we already have a lot of eomer votes.

which suits me fine as I am not sure when I can return and right now I really need sleep. It has been a long day and I got very little sleep last night.

and so I will vote like everybody else (save Durelin) for Eomer.

++Eomer

[Shastanis Althreduin]

o.o Oops... I'm glad day's not over, as I actually forgot to send my vote in.

*blush*

Sending it right now. :)

And to... SPM, I think, talking about the votes on Celuien... The tally of votes on Celuien is almost certainly false, given that Eomer was the Lynch Seer that day, and he's vampiric. ;)

[Gil-Galad]

So here is the final list(that i can think of)

Gil
Aganzir
Xyzzy
Diamond
The Sixth
Esspiem
Rune

now that we got the Shade and Seer working side by side, i guess we can then start sytemamtically going through this list and corner the vampire... i think this is going to be the first game where none of the gifted had died...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If it doesn't end up being Aganzir, I'll probably vote for Gil.

Of course, some of that's the revenge talking. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

SPM and others who examine voting records: please don't bang your heads to the wall or anything even though the records don't make sense - there is always the possibility of some innocent stating a vote but forgetting to e-mail or pm the vote. I don't claim this is probable, but it's certainly possible.

[Macalaure]

Btw, I am still awaiting an apology from all of those who suddenly turned against me yesterDay with no solid evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that I came across as being helpful ... :rolleyes: ;)Allow me to delay my apology until your innocence is written green on black. :p

I don't expect anything to happen that could change my vote, so: ++Eomer

Nogrod, if you hunt Aganzir tonight, it will only make you a marvellous aim for the vampire if Aganzir is innocent. But I guess Kitanna will be the nightly kill anyway. The ranger has to protect Rikae, and only by killing Kitanna the vampire will have a chance to kill Rikae the next night.

[The Saucepan Man]

SPM, I think, talking about the votes on Celuien... The tally of votes on Celuien is almost certainly false, given that Eomer was the Lynch Seer that day, and he's vampiric.For about the fourth time:

But I am not basing my reasoning on Eomer's Lynch Seer revelation. I am basing it on the fact that, if Nogrod is true, Rikae received three votes from known innocents, and a fourth from unknown Gil. Which means that Celuien must have received at least three votes, possibly four. Discounting Eomer's vote, only three people claimed to vote for Celuien - Lomiella, Roa and Aganzir.

SPM and others who examine voting records: please don't bang your heads to the wall or anything even though the records don't make sense - there is always the possibility of some innocent stating a vote but forgetting to e-mail or pm the vote. I don't claim this is probable, but it's certainly possible.Yes, I am well aware of that possibility. But it can apply to any of the votes. That said, it is more likely that one such mistake was made (the Celuien vote) than two (the Menel and Esspiem votes).

[The Saucepan Man]

Allow me to delay my apology until your innocence is written green on black.I'm looking forward to it ... :p

[Thinlómien]

This is doing my head in but, unless either Nogrod or Gil is a Vampire, there were four votes cast for Rikae on Day 1.What if Gil really is the remaining vamp? That'd make sense about the Day1 votes.

Btw - any other thoughts on how safe it is to assume that Glirdy never voted?I think it's quite safe. I can't imagine him just pming or e-mailing a vote and saying nothing here on this thread. That is not his style. If he had participated in the game at all, I think he would have said something along the lines of "hi i'm here i'm terribly busy... sorry folks, i voted x btw" on this thread.

I think Aganzir is innocent. I mean someone else than me and Roa had to vote Cel, and the simplest solution is that it was Aga.

I have no idea who the final vamp is and I'm very confused because the voting records give contradictory evidence... :confused: I need to think.

[The Saucepan Man]

What if Gil really is the remaining vamp? That'd make sense about the Day1 votes.True, but it would not explian the discrepencies in the Day 2 and Day 3 votes.

Well, here's all the raw data we have, as far as I am aware:

Day 1

Di: Legate (Legate 1)
Celuien: Kitanna (Kitanna 1, Legate 1)
Menel: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 1, Legate 1)
Sixth: Gil (Kitanna 1, Rikae 1, Gil 1, Legate 1)
Gil: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Legate 1)
Legate: Sixth (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Legate 1)
Rune: Menel (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 1, Legate 1)
Rikae: Menel (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1)
Boro: Legate (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2)
Lomiella: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 1)
Eomer: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 2)
Roa: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 3)
Aganzir: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 4)
Brinniel: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 4)
Nogrod: Legate (Kitanna 1, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 3, Celuien 4)
Esspiem: Kitanna (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 3, Celuien 4)
Mac: Legate (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 4, Celuien 4)
Sleepy: Rune (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 4, Celuien 4, Rune 1)
Xyzzy: Lomiella (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 4, Celuien 4, Rune 1, Lomiella 1)
Nogrod: Rikae not Legate (Kitanna 2, Rikae 4, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 3, Celuien 4, Rune 1, Lomiella 1)

No vote: Durelin, Shasta, Kitanna
No vote stated: Glirdy

Celuien is lynched – Eomer (Lynch Seer) reports 5 votes for Celuien

Day 2

Di: Nogrod (Nogrod 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1)
Shasta: Gil (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1)
Kitanna: Rikae (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 1)
Sixth: Rikae (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2)
Rikae: Legate (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 1)
Menel: Boro (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 1, Boro 1)
Rune: Menel (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 1, Boro 1, Menel 1)
Boro: Legate (Nogrod 1, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 1, Menel 1)
Roa: Nogrod (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 1, Menel 1)
Durelin: Boro (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 1)
Lommiella: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 2)
Aganzir: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 3)
Mac: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 4)
Esspiem: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 5)
Legate: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 6)
Nogrod: Menel (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 7)
Xyzzy: Rune (Nogrod 2, Shasta 1, Gil 1, Rikae 2, Legate 2, Boro 2, Menel 7, Rune 1)

No vote stated: Eomer, Sleepy, Glirdy

Menel is lynched - Nogrod (Lynch Seer) reports 5 votes for Menel


Day 3

Di: Glirdy (Glirdy 1)
Xyzzy: Nogrod (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1)
Sixth: Durelin (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1)
Esspiem: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1)
Rikae: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1, Esspiem 1)
Shasta: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 1)
Boro: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 2)
Lomiella: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 3)
Kitanna: Eomer (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Esspiem 3, Eomer 1)
Rune: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Esspiem 3, Eomer 1)
Aganzir: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Esspiem 4, Eomer 1)
Durelin: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Esspiem 4, Eomer 1)
Mac: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Esspiem 5, Eomer 1)
Nogrod: Esspiem (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Esspiem 6, Eomer 1)

No vote stated: Eomer, Legate, Glirdy

Legate is lynched - Boro (Lynch Seer) reports 5 votes for Legate

Known Vampires in bold.
Known innocents underlined.
Shade underlined and itallicised.

Votes where timing unclear itallicised.

I'm in rather a hurry, so if anyone spots any msitakes, let me know and I'll re-post.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You're overlooking the most basic thing ever; I can't believe you haven't won the game yet. :p

Innocent, by the way. It almost certainly won't matter but ignoring all codes and such, innocent.

3 innocents and nothing else. :rolleyes:

Treacherous scoundrel, Kitanna. After all we've been through, as well.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Gil-Galad: Guilty. Brash and showy.

The Saucepan Man: Guilty. A magician to escape such certain deaths. Too lucky by far.

Rikae: Guilty. Liar extraordinaire.

Boromir88: Guilty. Part of that horrid 'innocent' scam. Too charming to be good.

Nogrod: Guilty. Underhanded, underdog politician.

Eomer of the Rohirrim: Innocent. A noble character, struggling to survive against the tyranny of the world.

Thinlómien: Guilty. But actually quite a sweet girl. Led astray by father.

Brinniel: Guilty. Lucky to be swept away, kindly, from this tragedy early on.

Legate of Amon Lanc: Innocent. A charming, special, and above all polite fellow, clinging to his freedom.

Aganzir: Guilty. Cunning and evil, no doubt. Will assume control of the new village.

Meneltarmacil: Guilty. Stirrer of trouble and disaster.

Xyzzy: Guilty. Sneaky, callous and cruel.

Roa_Aoife: Guilty. Bellicose, violent and bloodthirsty.

Macalaure: Guilty. Again, of the 'innocent' parade. Tricksy and devilish.

Diamond18: Guilty. It will be my turn next, you fiend! ( ;) )

Shastanis Althreduin: Guilty. A trickster, and a rogue.

Celuien: Guilty. Deseved death. Though her blood is on the hands of the election officials.

Kitanna: Guilty. Traitor, traitor, traitor! To sacrifice your own life for the lives of an arbitrary group. Bah!

Sleepy Ranger: Guilty. A phantom devised by the village to terrify the remaining vampires.

Durelin: Guilty. Though I suspect she would prefer to be on the other side. She is not safe for anyone to be around.

Glirdan: Guilty. More tactics of terror, and another phantom.

Rune Son of Bjarne: Guilty. Lives for wine and parties and naught else, but eager to save his own skin.

The Sixth Wizard: Guilty. Another sneaky, tricksy, black-hearted vagabond.

[Rikae]

Rikae: Guilty. Liar extraordinaire.
Why thank you! *blushes*

[Nogrod]

Nice Eomer! :D

Sad that you forgot to give us the third innocent though...


Okay I'll make this a go one more time.

Spm is quite right with his concern on Day1 votes. If Eomer and Aganzir were vampires two of the four Rikae-voters should have forgotten / mismanaged sending their votes. That sounds a bit improbable and makes Aganzir look innocent.

That might point towards Gil being the last vampire. If he has no vote then Rikae would have had only three votes and gaining them later than Celuien, Cel died with three votes as well. On Day2 and Day3 Gil has voted quite monomaniacilly for Shasta which I think is a pretty safe bet for a vampire not to be counted in any further tallies.

But there's a further problem still with Day2. As Menel got 7 declared votes but only 5 actual ones then even counting Legate out of the equation there's still one vote discrepancy. Someone forgot to send the actual vote then? That would be the easiest solution. Otherwise there is a liar in the group Rune, Aganzir, Spm.

On Day3 we miss a vote. Only four declared votes for Legate and there's five of them. That would make Spm, Shasta Rune, Durelin look innocent as their votes are needed to lynch Legate as there most probably was at least five votes on Spm - and there were six declared ones.... And if no-one has forgotten to vote then Aganzir is the only one whom we don't know. But we just saw her looking innocentish on Day1.

Cross-examining Days 2 and 3 we might clear Spm and Rune (oh my!). That would leave Aganzir again! Checking at Day1 tends to clear her but still she is the answer to both problems in Day2 and 3... :(

So anyone wishing to admit forgetting to make the actual vote? It would require the least problem-solving if there just is something very fishy in Day1 voting and Aganzir is our vampire... But if these problems on Day2 and 3 can be explained away, then I might consider looking at Gil really carefully toMorrow.


Nogrod, if you hunt Aganzir tonight, it will only make you a marvellous aim for the vampire if Aganzir is innocent.That's the reason why I ended my last post with these words: But as a hunter I will not say anything and reserve my right to hunt whoever I see fit for the next Night.

[The Saucepan Man]

You're overlooking the most basic thing ever; I can't believe you haven't won the game yet.Much as one should exercise caution when taking advice from an enemy, there is something that occurred to me.

The rules state that the specific role of the Vampire will be told at death (although we did not get that information for Legate), but, as far as I can see, they do not state that the specific role of an innocent (if any) will be told at death.

What if one of the innocents who died was a Gifted and we have not been told?

Then we have what Kitanna said about Night 3:

Also I'd like to say I did NOT attack Rikae on Night 3. In fact I tried to kill Eomer in the night, but it appeared he had been protected from my attack. As you may have guessed I protected Rikae last night.On Night 3, according to the narrative, someone (who was not a Vampire) attacked someone who was protected. Yet, if Kitanna is to be believed, the attack was not hers.

So, call me a fruity loopy fruit cake if you like (or even daft as a bat ;) ), but what if Roa was the good Hunter and, because the Vampires attacked her on Night 3, was able to hunt before she died? If the Vampire Seer had spotted her previously (and she would have been a logical Vampire Seer dream on, say, Night 2), this would have enabled Vampire Nogrod to assume her identity the next Day, on seeing that her role had not been revealed.

There is a massive problem with this theory, though. Given that the Ranger was almost certainly protecting Rikea on Night 3, it means that Roa chose to hunt Rikae. Unlikely in the extreme, given that Rikae had revealed on Day 2 and Roa’s reaction was to trust her (#303).

However, if Nogrod is a Vampire, it would explain all the voting discrepancies, save for one vote for Legate last Night unaccounted for. It would also make sense of some of his behaviour ...

[Thinlómien]

I just voted
++Eomer.

Now I could go home and leave ww be, but that'd feel stupid - as someone already said, we should try to track the last wolf toDay not just be comfortable because Eomer has been revealed. But I have no idea where to start with it: the voting records just baffle me.

I think we should maybe forget the missing votes and concentrate on those people who are not exonerated by any vote (Gil, xyzzy, Sixth, Diamond) instead. Of these I'd be inclined to believe Gil most guilty, since Di and Sixth seem sincere and I have absolutely no idea about xyzzy.

edit: xed with Flying Saucer

[Gil-Galad]

However, if Nogrod is a Vampire, it would explain all the voting discrepancies, save for one vote for Legate last Night unaccounted for. It would also make sense of some of his behaviour ...

i see i'm receiving some of the brunt now... but i must vouch my innocent, i did vote rikae first day, and i do urge that with the missing vote, it must surely be Nogrod, then with my last day being here, the vampires are already cornered

[Gil-Galad]

I just voted
++Eomer.



I think we should maybe forget the missing votes and concentrate on those people who are not exonerated by any vote (Gil, xyzzy, Sixth, Diamond) instead. Of these I'd be inclined to believe Gil most guilty, since Di and Sixth seem sincere and I have absolutely no idea about xyzzy.

edit: xed with Flying Saucer

I'm not sincere? you hurt me deep Lommy...

[Gil-Galad]

i keep forgetting that Nogrod has proclaimed himself the hunter... but with al lattention to me as the next vampire, there goes my hopes of surviving another vampire game... all very confusing indeed...

[Nogrod]

Fascinating theory Spm! And then people say I'm the one who makes the over-thought cases...

It would also make sense of some of his behaviour ...:D

[Thinlómien]

Gil doesn't manage to convince me... The post right after mine is all too fishy...

Ouch, fruity loopy fruit cake, you're making my head hurt. (That might be a good thing though. ;)) Anyway, I see no reason for the mods not to tell us if a dead person is gifted. I mean, that's how it usually works and surely Volo would have mentioned if this game was an exception?)

From what Kitanna said I thought she attacked Eomer on Night3 and maybe the vampire ranger protected him...?

edit: xed with Noodles

[Aganzir]

Votes for Eomer toDay:
Diamond (I don't know if you have already voted, but I think I can include you to my list, as you clearly said you would do so.)
Shasta
Rikae
Gil
Sixth
Kitanna
Xyzzy
Rune
Lommy

Have not yet voted:
Spm
Boro
Nogrod
Aganzir
Mac
Durelin (let me assume you didn't actually email Volo your vote for yourself)
(Eomer)

No one should have a reason not to vote for Eomer. What if I wouldn't vote at all toDay (for my vote would go for Eomer anyway)? Let's see if he gets as many votes as told here - or who, besides me, didn't vote for him or accidentally forgot to email his/her vote. :rolleyes: This is the best idea I can come up with to prove my innocence (except for asking Rikae or Kitanna to dream of me next Night).
If you think this is a bad idea, please tell it quickly, for I must leave about an hour before the deadline, and if I am going to vote, I must do it soon.

I probably shouldn't say this now that I seem to be one of the main suspects, but has anyone considered the possibility of Eomer being the V. Hunter? Obviously, Legate wasn't, since nobody died with him (I would also like to hear Legate's specific role), and now there's 50/50 chance that Eomer is.
And if he is the Vampire Hunter, he will probably take one gifted with him, and we are taking a risk by lynching him. This is not to say lynching him is a bad idea, but I wondered if anyone has thought about this yet... :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

I probably shouldn't say this now that I seem to be one of the main suspects, but has anyone considered the possibility of Eomer being the V. Hunter? - - This is not to say lynching him is a bad idea, but I wondered if anyone has thought about this yet... :rolleyes:I'm afraid that's the risk we must take... :(

[Kitanna]

I probably shouldn't say this now that I seem to be one of the main suspects, but has anyone considered the possibility of Eomer being the V. Hunter? Obviously, Legate wasn't, since nobody died with him (I would also like to hear Legate's specific role), and now there's 50/50 chance that Eomer is.
And if he is the Vampire Hunter, he will probably take one gifted with him, and we are taking a risk by lynching him. This is not to say lynching him is a bad idea, but I wondered if anyone has thought about this yet... :rolleyes:
Mmmm, didn't cross my mind, but a valid point is made. However to win the village would have to take down the Vampire Hunter sooner or later and with that hunter an innocent as well.
Also since Day is drawing near an end I'm wondering where I should put my gift tonight. I have an idea of who to go after, who may well be the final vampire. I won't say just incase the Ranger Vampire is still alive and able to protect (assuming my choice is a vampire), but the name does come off this list:
Gil
Aganzir
Xyzzy
Diamond
The Sixth
The list Boro created of the most likely vampires and the one used by Rune for the lynch plan.

[Nogrod]

I do agree with your reasoning here Aganzir. I'm also in a hurry and don't have time to think for all the possible loopholes there might be in there. But we don't lose anything if we try it that way. Eomer gets lynched without your vote as well. And as you said there seems to be no reason not to vote Eomer toDay...

And yes. Eomer might be the vamp-hunter. But he needs to be lynched anyhow for us to win the game. So the sooner the better.

++ Eomer

EDIT: made the vote as a quote... :confused:

[Volo]

Ah, curses... well, you know who you are. >: (

As I had posted in the rules, I'll tell you the role of Legate though just because I was made to do it...

He was the VRanger.

[Thinlómien]

I'm not sure, Aganzir, but whatever you do, state it clearly before you leave...

[Thinlómien]

I must go now, but in case he (and I) are alive, I'll take a good look at Gil toMorrow.

I wish Sixth, Di and xyzzy would speak more, so I could form a clearer picture of them...

[Aganzir]

And that means I'm leaving, too.

I won't vote for anyone toDay.

[The Saucepan Man]

The rules state that the specific role of the Vampire will be told at death ...I see that rule has hastily been changed. :D Yet still no indication regarding Good Gifted roles being revealed on death.

But wait! What if the Hunter was Menel?

Hunter: May at any time at all post a name to the mod.But, if Menel was the Hunter, his victim would have been his target at the end of the Day, as he was lynched. Perhaps he had previously selected Rikae as his target (he voted for her on Day 1), but did not get an opportunity to change his nominated target after she revealed and before he died.

Still, for now:

++Eomer

Edit: Crossed with Volo (and others) - the rule has changed again ... :D

[The Saucepan Man]

I won't vote for anyone toDay.Hold up. Doesn't this give Aganzir a loophole, rather than pointing towards her innocence?

[The Saucepan Man]

Hold up. Doesn't this give Aganzir a loophole, rather than pointing towards her innocence?Scrub that. I get the idea. It requires all the remaining innocents to vote for Eomer, though.

Yet to vote, I think:

Boro
Mac
Durelin

[The Saucepan Man]

I checked and Mac already voted for Eomer. So, yet to vote:

Boro
Durelin

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++saucepan Man

[Gil-Galad]

++saucepan Man


well that was a desperate post... at least he is dying with what little dignity he has

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Desperate? :D

[Boromir88]

For formality:

++Eomer

I'm sorry pal, what rotten luck you have.

[The Saucepan Man]

... at least he is dying with what little dignity he hasNah, it would have been more dignified simply to remain silent. ;)

To pick up some points from earlier:

Anyway, I see no reason for the mods not to tell us if a dead person is gifted. I mean, that's how it usually works and surely Volo would have mentioned if this game was an exception?)But can we rely on that? I guess that it's not possible for Volo to clarify the point now, just in case Noggie is a Vampire.

From what Kitanna said I thought she attacked Eomer on Night3 and maybe the vampire ranger protected him...?No. The three vampires were watching the attack from the tower and responded to it by noting that we were protected.

[The Saucepan Man]

To clarify, when I said "no", I didn't mean that Kitanna did not say that she attacked Eomer and that he was protected (she did say that, and I believe her). I meant that this can't be the attack described.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ha! I will die as loudly and as annoyingly as possible. :p

May the vampires resist this brutal genocide!

[Volo]

Night 5

Stop talking.

[Macalaure]

”Good friend of one unlucky Elf. Once visited the town without too many worries or cares.”

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nogrod

[Volo]

Lossenatar was dead... He died because of his loyalty. And now it was too late not to follow his path. The age of Vampires was indeed at an end...

Firithhyando sat on the edge of the tower and thought about the countless things that passed during his lifetime. It was painful, but in a way it took off the pain of losing Lossenatar. Lives started and stopped, but everything stayed in Firithhyando’s memory. And through that he saw the future. Not much, but enough to know that things would continue going worse and hope would be false. Numundo or Lossenatar didn’t understand him, they didn’t have a prodigious memory, this was alone Firithhyando’s suffering.

Numundo hadn’t said anything since last period and Firithhyando didn’t blame his friend.

Firithhyando closed his eyes and jumped down. The end was near!


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Aganzir couldn’t have peace in her room. Not only was the situation unpleasant, but the room was nothing she liked. It had all those shelves and furniture that was nearly rotten of age. She cursed loudly as she threw a chair out of the window. It hit the ground with a big crash and the bearded woman laughed.

What to throw next? The shelf maybe?

She was both extremely happy and extremely angry. The Vampires would probably be killed in a night or two and Aganzir could start exploring this cave properly. But she herself had been suspected pretty badly last half-a-period. Did the fools really think that she was hammering innocents into pieces while others were sleeping. She laughed and threw the shelf out too.

Crash.

The short woman sat down, wiped her brow and laughed again.

Aganzir closed her eyes and lay down. Though she didn’t know it, she would soon be thrown out too. The bed on which Aganzir lay was lifted into the air and slowly moved towards the wall with the little window.

The woman opened one eye with a frown and a little laugh that ended very abruptly.

Darkness was all around Aganzir, not the darkness she had been used to but darkness more sinister than that. She sat up on the bed with a start and looked around.

Nothing. Just black.

She rubbed her eyes, but it was still all black.

And then the bed went straight through the wall and with a big crash met the ground and squashed poor Aganzir underneath it.


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Kitanna had shown her true form.

The Shade had been trapped under the mountain when Arda was formed and since then she had been the true owner of Kaimoir, a Maia of Vala Námo. Until Yulnagar came. The Lord of the Vampires had defeated her and sent to a deep sleep into the very depth of the cave. Long ages passed and Kitanna slept. The reign of Vampires grew and withered. One day, the gate to the upper world was opened once again, Kitanna woke from her sleep feeling the time for escape coming closer. Yulnagar was weak and she had regained the strength she had had when Eä was created. But then this incident with the Men and Yulnagar’s bloody plans accured and Kitanna was trapped once again.

Now she was feeling free. Her mighty formless body that looked like a big black cloud was releaced from the uncomfortable human shape.

Ah. But she had to return back to her body, for this wasn’t over yet. She still had things to deal with before freedom was true. Cursing, the cloud turned into a woman.


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Firithhyando crept to the window of the house Kitanna occupied.

Once an old storyteller lived in the same house. In his childhood Firithhyando had spent nearly all of his time running after the old Vampire asking for more stories. The storyteller was long gone and Firithhyando now wondered which stories very true and which just legends.

The Vampire smiled at the memory, but then remembered his task and the smile faded into a grim expression.

Firithhyado began chanting a spell of possession. He wouldn’t do the mistake Lossenatar did, he’d stay hidden.


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Kitanna sat on her bed and waited for the clock to strike. She had waited long and this wait was nothing compared to the ages she lived in the cave, but these few hours were too long.

The woman stood up nervously and walked to the window. For some reason wanted to jump out of the house, from the third floor. Without knowing why, Kitanna climbed on the window sill and prepared to fall...

Bang!

The door flew open and a cloaked figure rang into the room.

Kitanna slipped from suprise and was about to fall onto the pavement below.

The person in the cloak rushed to Kitanna and grabbed her arm, pulling the possessed woman up into her room.

”This is to repay yestarday”, said the cloaked figure and took off her hood.

It was Diamond!


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The Vampire cursed again and again as he flew towards the tower. How could this happen, again!?

When Firithhyando landed on the tower, Numundo was standing and looking down at the great pyre as if for searching something intensively. Numundo noticed Firithhyando and ran up to him.

”Fir! Somthing strange has accured! Your human name was shouted loud by that man, Mac!”

”What?”

”It means that Yulnagar will kill you when the clock strikes!”

Firithhyando’s face twisted with agony.

”Calm down! Calm down... You still have time. Act now”.

The lynched Vampire looked at Numundo and agreed. He calmed down.

”Yes, I’ll go. Now”.

Firithhyando turned to jump down again, but Numundo caught him and put his hand on Firithhyando’s shoulder, ”Fir, why not curse Yulnagar and flee? Look what Loss did and what happened to him. Curse the ancient fiend, let him play with the Men and just go”.

”No, Num. We don’t have a choice... Not only would he kill us if we ran, but if not, the memory of such a deed would tear me. I must go”. Firithhyando turned to leave again, but Numundo only tightened his grip. Firithhyando looked at his friend and sighed, ”You’ll survive”.


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Nogrod couldn’t sleep. He walked around his room trying to think of an answer to the mystery. Who are the Vampires? What are the Vampires? Why are they killing us? And what is this ”oracle”?

He sat down and took out the piece of paper with the all the names. He crossed a few out and put the list back into his pocket.

Frowning he opened the door and went outside. He didn’t like walking in the darkness and hearing only silence and the crackling of wood. But he had to do it, so he did it. Nogrod had laid traps at each house during the first night, now he would go and place one new trap.

The Hunter walked to the house that was occupied by Legate, the bloody Vampire. The trap was still there, hidden well. Nogrod took out a knife and cut the rope that kept the trap set. That trap wasn’t needed anymore, the Vampire had already died.

Nogrod turned around lifted his head and gasped. He was grabbed from behind and two white fangs cut his neck. The man fell to the ground blood flowing down his back. But the Hunter wouldn’t go down so easily. Nogrod drew out a curved dagger a stabbed the Vampire, which dodged and ran behind the house.


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The pain was getting stronger, but the Hunter didn’t let it overtake him. Slowly he stood up leaning at Legate’s house. He didn’t know who attacked him, but had a pretty good idea. Nogrod took out a flask from his sleeve and took a big gulp of the booze he had for exactly such situations. That cleared his mind a bit. Nogrod began going through his possibilities.

A Vampire had attacked him, but then hid. He himself was deadly wounded and would be able to fight the beast. There was no time to put up a trap. Hm...

Nogrod gathered courage and started his slow walk to the house on the other side of the square.

He stumbled a few times and even fainted once, but he held firm with his his decision and always stood up and continued his way. Shapes weren’t clear, he could barely see and oh, the pain. The Hunter would fall any minute and that, he feared, would be his last fall.

But he didn’t collapse, instead his hand reached the knob of a door. Nogrod opened his eyes and saw that he had been right with the direction, this was the right house. Weakly, but as strong as he could, he knocked on the door.


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Two women had been sitting quietly on the floor when a faint tapping was heared from downstairs. Diamond and Kitanna lept to their feet and ran down warily. Kitanna pushed the door open and looked down at the man leaning against the wall beside the door.

Diamond looked and saw the same. The man was all covered in blood. She gasped and hurried to see if he was alive...

”Well?” asked Kitanna.

”No... He’s dead”.

Kitanna looked into the pyre, ”Curse you Vampires! I’ll kill you!”

”Wait. There’s something in his hand!

”Huh?”

Diamond gave the note to Kitanna, ”It’s a list of names... Of everybody here. All except one are crossed out”.

”Do you think it’s the...”

”Probably”.


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”The Hunter’s dead by now”.

”What about the Shade?”

”I couldn’t kill her, something broke my spell and I had to run”.

”Aargh! Well, you did your best”.

”Maybe, maybe no”.

”I’ll go and do it”.

”No, Num! Don’t”.

”That’s what I told you, but did you listen to me?”

”Hey, I’m serious!”

”And so am I. We need to get the Shade out of our way, now. You’re fine, and I’ll also be fine. Trust me”.

”You’re too stubborn, Num...”

”I know. See you”.

Numundo leaped down the tower. This time in his true form: Gigantic black wings sprouting from his human-like body. A scythe in his arm. Eyes like the adyss. And a black cape reflecting darkness.


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Esspiem had made his choice. He would go to see the Shade. Altough, or maybe exactly because of that, he was afraid of the Shade, he wanted to do a deal with it. Not because the thief had any great ideas of who the Vampires were, but because making an alliance with somebody as powerful as the Shade would give you better chances to survive yourself.

He put on his hood and sneaked out of his house that was already filled with all kind of precious objects he had ”borrowed” from other houses. He was thinking of going to see the graveyard next, but Esspiem didn’t really like looting graves, as he was somewhat superstitious.

The thief ran through the square, stopping often and looking around. Excitment took over and he didn’t stop while looking left and right. And that was when bumped into somebody.

”Sorry, sorry... Ah!” Esspiem looked up and saw the great monster looking at him. Otherwise the creature looked like Esspiem, but it had two giant wings and a scythe.

”Oh, it’s you”, said the demon and with a swing of his scythe, beheaded the poor thief.


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Numundo walked over the two bodies in front of Kitanna’s house and entered. Or tried to. A wave of pain went through him and he stumbled back.

The Vampire stood up and looked into the house he wasn’t allowed to enter. He felt something behind him and turned.

Two women walked towards him calmly.

”I know who you are”, said the brown haired one.

Numundo grunted and grinned, ”Oh, do you really?”

”We do indeed, dear Gil-Galad”, said the other woman.

”Gil-Galad? Well... Yes! That was me, but I’m more than that!”

Numundo roared and ran at the brown haired woman. He lifted his scythe and struck.

Cling!

Diamond held her sword shakingly but firm.

The Vampire leaped back and prepared for a new attack.

Then Kitanna raised her hand and Numundo was no more.

Where the Vampire stood a moment ago, a statue of black marble stood. The beauty of it was unmatched.


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When the clock struck, everybody was already there, except for five.

Signs of a battle were obvious. Aganzir’s house was broken and so was her corpse. The bodies of Nogrod and Esspiem were lying beside Kitanna’s house. And a demonic statue with some resemblance to Gil-Galad stood in the middle of the square.

Enohl sat on his usual place smoking his pipe.

Everybody waited, the tension grew but nobody dared to break it.

At last, the young possessed Vampire threw away his pipe and stood up.

”Come, for you know who you are”.

Nobody answered and nobody moved.

”Ah. You don’t want to come, do you? Then I’ll come for you”, a smile came on Enohl’s face and then all of a sudden his body became limp and fell to the ground.

People began shouting.

The fire turned black for a moment, as the dark figure of the Oracle walked out of it.

People stopped shouting.

”Now where is the coward. I’ll go and destroy you anyway, so come here and don’t trouble me”.

No answer.

”Oh, really? Well, if you don’t come now, Enhilion will die instead”.

A small figure of a bat came into the view of Xyzzy, he opened his mouth, but couldn’t shout anything. The bat flew straight at the Oracle. It was nearly there when the Oracle turned and said commandingly, ”Stop”.

The bat fell to the ground and turned into Eomer. He was on his knees and trembled badly.

”Yulnagar! Why are you doing all this?”

”Isn’t this what you wanted? I’ll turn these Men into Vampires. It’s you who should be asked what you are doing”, said the Oracle and looked at the clock.

”You killed Lossenatar and Numundo!”

”Yes, I killed Lossenatar, according to his own plan. Numundo I didn’t even touch”.

”Why? There is an easier way!”

”Firithhyando, you have been chosen to die”.

”Oh, throw away that rubbish talk and listen to some sense!”

The Oracle didn’t answer Eomer but only lifted his hand at Eomer’s direction.

Eomer struggled with the pain and stood up. He turned to face the people gathered around. ”Please... Help! He lied to us... And he lied to you”.

Many hesitated, but Rune jumped forwards and shouted, ”We have seen what this ”oracle” can do! How can you still trust it? I say, fight or run!” He looked around and not knowing what to do, rushed to Eomer’s help.

”Fool!” The Oracle lifted its hand once again and pointed at Rune. Luckily for Rune, Shasta threw a dagger at the Oracle and that way probably saved the recless man’s life, as the Oracle turned towards the flying object and disappeared.

Eomer stagger to his feet with the help of Rune and shouted, ”We don’t have much time! Grab your weapons and run!” He turned and asked for help, ”Rune. Please, help Enhillion. I’ll manage and if not, I wouldn’t have managed with your help either”.

Rune felt confused but obeyed Eomer as far as he knew. He took Enhol’s limp body and moved after the rest of the crowd. Towards the tallest tower.

Morgan lead the way. At the foot of the tower he looked back to see that Eomer wasn’t managing too well. ”Hey! Somebody, help the Vampire!”

Durelin was closest, but he didn’t seem to notice the request. Boromir shouted about that.

”Do you think I’m your servant or something? Go help him yourselves! I don’t trust him anyway”, yelled Durelin and continued walking to the tower.

At the very moment the Oracle appeared beside Eomer and put his hand on the Vampires head, ”Die, traitor”.

Eomer fell on the ground and then continued falling through the ground. Soon all of him disappeared and he was never seen again.


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The living:

Rikae
Boromir88 (Boro)
Thinlómien (Lomiella/Lommy)
Xyzzy
Macalaure (Mac)
Diamond18 (Di)
Shastanis Althreduin (Shasta)
Kitanna
Durelin
Rune Son of Bjarne (Rune)
The Sixth Wizard (Morgan/Sixth)

The dead:

Celuien (Cel) – Turned into a chair by the Oracle after being voted out on Day 1. Innocent.

Brinniel – Possessed by the Vampires to write poetry with her own blood on Night 2. Innocent.

Menel – Turned into a pipe by the Oracle after being voted out on Day 2. Innocent.

Roa – Possessed by the Vampires to torch herself on Night 3. Innocent.

Sleepy – Committed suicide by jumping off the highest tower on Night 3. Innocent.

Legate of Amon Lanc (Legate) – Aged to death in seconds after being voted out on Day 3. Vampire Ranger.

Glirdan (Glirdy) – Died of sickness in his own bed on Night 4. Innocent.

Aganzir - Thrown out from the third floor by the Shade on Night 5. Innocent.

Nogrod - Bit by Vampire-to-be-lynched on Night 5. The Hunter.

The Saucepan Man (Esspiem/SPM) - Beheaded by Vampire Hunter on Night 5. Innocent.

Gil-Galad (Gil) - Turned into a beautiful statue by the Shade after being revealed by the Hunter. Vampire Hunter.

Eomer of the Rohirrim (Eomer) - Swallowed into the earth by the Oracle after being voted out on Day 4. Vampire Seer.

[Volo]

Yulnagar advanced at the crowd running to the tower. ”Do you think you’ll be able to escape? The tower is locked from inside”.

He didn’t need to say that as Morgan found it out for himself. Slowly the crowed stopped. The situation didn’t look promissing. On one side was the insane Oracle, on the other a locked door to possible freedom.

Desperately Boromir, Diamond and Durelin took out their swords and shouted commands to the rest. Three totally different sets of orders were given and confusion only grew.

Lomiella screamed something about the Shade being among them. The people who heared this agreed with her and Kitanna was soon tossed among the fighters.

And then came the long silence as nobody dared to move. The Oracle said to them, ”Unlike you, I can wait all eternity. So I’d be pleased if you returned to your houses and told me your votes like you have done before.

”No? Blame yourselves”. Yulnagar lifted his hands and the pyre that burned in the middle of the city began moving towards them. Flames and timber flew through the air and then set themselves above Yulnagar’s head in a great sphere.

The survivors didn’t have a hope if were right with the intentions of the Oracle.

They were both right and wrong.

A big burning log launched itself at the crowd. Panic broke out and everybody ran in different directions. Another log followed. And another, and another...

They had to act, or else sooner or later somebody would have been hit.

Shasta trew a well-aimed knife at where the Oracle’s head was supposed to be. It would have hit the head too, if not for the sudden change in its flying path. The knife curved upward and flew into the burning sphere. Shasta cursed and tried to try again, but at the moment a log nearly hit him and he fell over. Xyzzy noticed this and rushed to help Shasta. Unfortunately a splinter hit Xyzzy’s leg and he tripped.

Rune was still carrying Enhol’s body when all of thes happened. He had managed to hide behind the tower’s corner, but when he saw that the others weren’t managing at all, he laid Enhol down, drew his sword and ran to Boromir’s help.

While Boromir and Diamond had been distracting Yulnagar and having most of the missiles sent at them, Durelin had taken a straight approach and rushed at the Oracle reclessly dodging the logs as they came. Kitanna on the other hand was more cunning and slowly advanced from the left side of the battle.

Durelin’s strategy would have worked if not for the fact that it’s usually wisest to hit the person nearest to you, and Yulnagar was no fool. With a barrage of fire Durelin’s path was blocked. He cursed and yelled and at last decided to retreat for a while. It wasn’t as easily done as said. When Durelin turned his back to the Oralce, a log brushed the recless warrior’s head. Durelin staggered and after a few steps fell unconscious.

It was extremely lucky for Durelin, that his show was noticed by Rikae who grabber Mac’s sleeve and pointed at the fallen man. Mac considered the situation for a moment and nodded. Together they creapt to where Durelin lay. Yulnagar was quicker, a log came flying straight at Durelin and that would have been the end of him if Kitanna hadn’t revealed herself at last.

A black cloud mixed with the flames flying and moved to float between Durelin and Yulnagar. Rikae and Mac hesitated for a moment and continued their way through the fire. Kitanna was like a barrier, the logs bounced off the clound and fell to the side.

”You. Didn’t you fall once? Why are you challenging me again?” Yulnagar changes his action, instead of flinging the logs at single targets he made them all fly up, above the crowd. That truly was a rain of fire.

The act worked well, as it immediatly turned all Kitanna’s attention to saving her friends. But not knowing Yulnagar spelled his own end. While he had possessed Enhillion’s body earlier, it was now free.


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His head hurt. As if he had woken from a long unpleasant dream. He opened his eyes and looked. He saw a house. He sat up and gasped. His head hurt a lot. Then his hearing began coming back. It came a bit too fast. Many loud sounds could be heard, heavy objects falling, yelling and screaming. He tried to connect these sounds to something. For a while he sat there thinking. Ouch. He rubbed the back of his head and found that it helped.

A battle!

Enhillion jumped to his feet. There was a battle going on! The last thing he remembered was Yulnagar, his Lord, cursing him and fighting over his body. Enhillion had lost the fight.

He looked at himself: Alive, no blood, no weapons. Alive, that’d do.

Behind the corner of the great tower he saw the chaos. Ten Men running and shouting. A black cloud in a storm of fire deflecting burning logs and splinters. And there at the back, Yulnagar!

Enhillion didn’t hurry, he walked up to a girl who was shouting advice to a man called Mac, who was presumably trying to save somebody from the fiery rain.

”Umm... Sorry...”

”What?” said the girl rudely and then looked up at Enhillion who stood beside her feeling confused. Her eyes went wide open and she let out a shrill scream of suprise. The Vampire stared at his feet. The girl then gave him an angry glance, ”Who are you and what do you want?”

”I... I’m Enhillion”, he gave a quick nervous smile, ”What is happening there?”

”Can’t you see! That mad ”oracle” is trying to kill Mac!”

”Umm, yes... Why?”

”How would I- Mac, look out!”

”Where is the rest of you? I can see only a few left of the big group”. Where is Loss, Num and Fir? Enhillion frowned as the situation drawned.

”Huh? Oh, they’re dead. Killed by your friends by the way, and now they’re dead too”.

Enhillion gulped.

”Well don’t just stand there. Try being helpful for a while!” The girl looked at him sceptically and continued yelling to Mac.

The Vampire let her be and walked towards the fire avoiding occationally passing splinters. Only now he saw the complete situation. Many of the Men were either dead or soon would be. Yulnagar had no sympathy what so ever. And his friends were dead too. He speeded up and was soon running at full speed shouting to Yulnagar. While passing a body of thin man, Enhillion grabbed the man’s sword.


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”Yulnagar! Why this madness? Why are you killing them? They can’t be of any harm to us!”

”Hmph. So the brat came back to sense. I don’t think there is any of ”us” left. You are a traitor like you pathetic friends”.

”What are you talking about? They would never betray you! Where is the wise king of old?”

The dark cloaked form made one of its invisible smiles again and let out a laugh colder than ice. ”Enhillion. You are now one of them and that means that I’ll have to kill you”.

Enhillion gritted his teeth and raised the sword he found.

”You are being stupid. You won’t be able to defeat me”. Yulnagar said with the intimidating calmness.


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The inferno ended.

Kitanna descended to the ground and took her human form. She looked around. It looked bad. Among the splinters and ashes lay five figures. They didn’t move. Five other figures were regaining their senses and looked around as confused as Kitanna. Then she remembered Yulnagar and quickly turned to see the cursed Oracle. And the young Vampire who had been possessed by the Oracle. The two figures gazed at each other rather calmly. The Vampire lad had a sword in his hand.

The sword, it was Durelin’s!

The Shade looked back again and saw Durelin lying under several logs. With horror Kitanna ran to the poor man. Durelin. Durelin, was alive! His breathing was rasp and blood covered his cheeck, but he was alive. And very lucky! The two long on top of him managed to stay there without crushing Durelin. Kitanna grabbed Durelin and dragged him out of the death trap. ”Ouch! Hey, what do you think you’re doing?”

Not only was Durelin alive, he was alive pretty well and sat up. ”Kitanna? Don’t you see I’m hurt? You think I need your help with? If you do, you’re wrong! Just leave me alone”, shouted the angry man and wiped the blood from his cheek.

”As you wish...” said Kitanna with a crooked smile and raised brow.


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Enhillion took the fighter’s stance he was taught by Numund a long time ago and moved a few steps towards Yulnagar, who laughed at that.

Yulnagar raised his arm and chanted something.

Enhillion heard a loud crash from above. He looked up. And with all his strength leapt to the side.

A gigantic sword struck where Enhillion stood just a moment ago.

Yulnagar disappeared and appeared again, by the sword. He lifted it out of the ground. It had a black wide blade with many runes engraved into it. And the dark shape moved towards Enhillion slowly.

The Vampire didn’t want to wait for the next trick, he sprang at his King, bluffed a thrust and tried to strike from below. The attack was easily parried and the black sword pushed Enhillion back with force. Yulnagar didn’t care much about bluffs, he struck hard and fast. Barely managing to evade the hit, Enhillion stubled. It wasn’t a fair fight.

Standing up Enhillion tried again, with even less success. He didn’t give up and the battle would be long if Yulnagar wouldn’t change the fighting style.


-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-


Kitanna sighed, nobody was dead, but a few were badly hurt. Morgan’s arm had broken from a flying log, Xyzzy had a wide cut on his leg and Rune got many wounds from flying splinters while defending Diamond, who apparently passed out from the heat.

Somehow they managad to calm each other down. The little band of unfortunate people gathered at the door to the tower and was now licking its wounds. Lomiella was suprisingly found good at tending wounds, the spoled girl got much more confident during the horror she had to face.

And than Morgan pointed out the completely obvious, ”Kitanna, you arn’t a human really, right? The black cloud shape is your true form, right? Couldn’t you just go through the wall and open the door to the tower”.

The Shade looked at Morgan, blinked, and said, ”Yes”.


-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-

[Volo]

The door to possible freedom was opened.

The survivors creapt up the long staircase. Hope woke in them. At the top was a big square platform, and that was all. As far as they could see it was just a flat platform. In the little light, as they had only one torch with them, no way of getting anywhere was to be seen. The hope they had didn’t last for long.

Most of them sat down tiredly and hurt. Some walked to the edge of the tower to look down. A few logs still burned and the view would have been beautiful from up high if the situation had been different.


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Still the fight continued. Enhillion was bruised all over. He couldn’t manage to hit Yulnagar a single time, but continued evading desperately.

And then the battle suddenly ended. Yulnagar swung the mighty black blade, Enhillion countered it nimbly with his sword that shattered in the impact.

At last the lad lost hope of winning. Enhillion turned and started running to the tower. Yulnagar stood for a moment and then disappeared.


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A light appeared! Real light. A ray of the sun. It wasn’t much, but for the eyes of the prisoners is was blindingly bright. After their eyes got used to it they looked for the source. The ray was coming from the roof of the cavern, nearly straight above their heads. Only a shallow gap could be seen from that angle.

They all smiled sadly, even Durelin. They were both relieved to see a light after long imprisonment in the dark and pained by the truth, the endless walls of the cave formed a dome that would be impossible to climb.

Madness gripped Boromir. Seeing no other alternative he ran to the edge and prepared to jump to his death. This was too much for him, he’d rather die fast and be over with the horrors. Luckily before Boromir jumped off, he tripped on a rope nobody noticed before. The rope’s one end was attached to an iron hoop by the edge, the other end seemed to go up into the darkness. ”Torch! Quickly!”

Shasta ran up to Boromir holding their only torch, ”What? What happened?”.

”See this?” The rope was indeed attached to the ceiling, not far from the gap where sunlight entered the cave, but not close enough. ”Come here! I think I found our savior!”

Boromir was congratulated with many laughs and smiles.

Diamond tugged at the rope and found it steady. ”Should we try?”

”I don’t think I’ll be able... And I’m not the only one wounded here”, sighed Morgan, who’s arm was bandaged over a broken body.

”He’s right. I might be able to get there, but can’t leave anybody down here”, Rune confirmed their problem, ”The rope is much too long and nobody knows what is to be found on the other end”.

Durelin, who got quickly bored with the talk, walked a small way to the side and found another rope, a whole coil of it. Other items also lay there, a few clay jars and kettle, but they were of no significance to Durelin. He took the rope and walked back to the gang. ”Found this. Wanna try find out how to use it?”

Everybody looked at him and then turned away their eyes. Boromir sighed and explained, ”Thank you, but this won’t be of any help. First, we can’t get the rope to the other side and don’t know if it is long enough. Secondly, two ropes wouldn’t be of any help, especially to cross such a wide chasm”.

”Yeah, yeah. But couldn’t that Kitanna just help us to get to the other side? Huh?” This time Durelin pointed out the obvious.

Or it would have been obvious if Kitanna had been anywhere in sight. She wasn’t.

They shouted her name and when no answer came, cursed it. The Shade had flown off to her freedom as soon as she saw the light coming from the roof, if you had been imprisoned in the cave from the beginning of the world, you wouldn’t have blamed her.

”That’s how they usually do, when you start trusting them, they aren’t there...” Durelin enforced his logic.

Hope left a few, and a few decided that soon it would be time to care about only your own life and try the rope as it was.

Nobody waited for the genious idea that came from Xyzzy, ”You know, that’s quite a lot of rope you have there. If we cut three bits from it and wind them around yourselves and the rope that leads to freedom, you’ll be able to get to the other side without fear of falling. The angle of the rope isn’t that steep. I think that it wouldn’t need much effort to pull yourself up that using this technique”.

The idea was brilliant indeed, though not everybody understood it. Xyzzy took the rope and explained again. ”If you tie the rope in a circle like this around the rope leading to the opposite side and climb into the circle, you won’t be able to fall... Unless either of the ropes snaps. To make things even easier, you could tie several circles around you. One under your shoulders, one at your belt and one under your knees”.

People started nodding and soon agreement was complete.

Of course, a problem arose. ”And how do you get the ropes back down here. Sure one person can use them, but I doubt they’ll slid here by themselves”, said Rikae with great concern.

”Oh, that too! We’ll just have to hope that the rope Durelin brought will be enough for the circles and to attach them together and to somewhere here that somebody can pull the circles back when needed”, Xyzzy shouted excitedly.


-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-


It seemed to work. Xyzzy was chosen to go first, as it was his idea, and he was so certain about it working. The knots tied to keep the ropes together seemed to hold, Xyzzy knew what he was doing. The hard part was climbing in and out of the contraption. After practising several times, Xyzzy set off. He pulled at the rope above him and worked with his body to keep the contraption move steadily up and not down. He was suprised of how hard it was, though his only fear was that the ropes would snap.

Xyzzy got to the other side and found out that the rope actually went over onto a ledge and was attached to a similar iron hoop on the wall. The pleased engineer climbed out of the contraption and smiled even wider when he saw that the rope that was attached to the contraption was long enough to reach to the tower. Xyzzy gave the rope a tug that told Boromir to pull the contraption back down.

Grudgenly and successfully Durelin went up next. Then Shasta. Morgan had great problems getting into the contraption, as he felt weak and his arm pained him very badly, but he too managed.

The rest went up without any nasty suprises. Only Mac and Rikae were still on the tower.


-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-


Enhillion climbed the staircase up the tower, he was hurt and exhausted. He really hoped that Yulnagar would really leave him alone now.

False hope.

”Stop”, said Yulnagar and walked down at Enhillion.

Enhillion didn’t see a choice, he stopped.

”You fought well. And for that I am willing to make a deal with you”.

”Making a deal with you? I’d rather chose death”.

”Really?”

The Vampire looked up at the King, and then down again.

”Even if the death is not only yours?”

This put Enhillion off guard. Indeed, he was now responcible for the life of the Men. He winced at the thought. Biting his lip, he said, ”I’ll hear what you have to say”.

Yulnagar would have smiled, ”Good. Now listen...”


-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-


Rikae was chosen to go last. She waited nervously while Mac climbed into the contraption over the chasm.

Lomiella watched from the other side and as soon as she saw Mac. When he was in the middle of the rope, she shouted, ”Oh Mac, come quickly, because I could sooner bear to see you fall down into the chasm than in the arms of Rikae”.

Mac turned his head and looked at Lomiella, ”But could you bear to see me fall down the chasm?”

Before Lomiella though of an answer, Rikae interrupted with a shout, ”You! What do you want of Mac?

”Mac, tell that woman to stop talking to me like that!”

Mac didn’t feel very comfortable, hanging over darkness on a few ropes.

”How dare you speak to me like that! Come now, Mac. Let’s leave that crazy woman down there”.

”What?” Rikae grabbed the rope which led to the contraption and pulled at it.

The contraption swayed and Mac shouted in alarm, ”Stop stop stop! Rikae dear, please, don’t make me fall to my death”.

”That you would deserve! But not from her hands!” Lomiella began jumping in annoyance.

Rikae only laughed, ”Hpmh! If you want him, come and claim him!

”Now come down here Mac, and I’ll go first to make sure that that spoled brat won’t touch you”.

Grasping the rope with both arms and legs, Mac was indeed in distress, ”I’m not sure I want to be touched by you either, Rikae dear. Oh, please calm down.

”And you, Lomiella dear, calm down”, Mac said trying to crawl up.

”No you don’t!” yelled Rikae and pulled on the rope harder.

”Enough! I’ll cut the rope and you’ll stay down there if you don’t let me free immediately”, shouted Mac to Rikae and took out the knife he had hidden in his boot.

Rikae gasped, ”You wouldn’t!”

”I will. If you don’t let go of the rope. Now”.


-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-


”What are you doing? Hurry! Yulnagar is coming!”

Startled, Rikae jumped around to see who stood behind her. It was Enhillion. ”Don’t ever come up to me like that. And can’t you see that we’re rather busy here”.

”No, I don’t. Hurry up, hurry up”, Enhillion said while flailing his hands around.

Rikae gave him a nasty glance, and the same to Mac. Then she let the rope free.

Mac thanked his luck and quickly scrambled up to the platform.

The angry Seer followed hurriedly and soon she was shouting with Lomiella. Mac had sneaked off while the women were cursing.


-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-


At the hoop on the wall Boromir had found a piece of parchment. It was attached to the wall with a dagger that was driven into a crack. Nobody remembered to bring a torch from below, so they couldn’t see what was written on the parchment.

From the platform led a narrow path to the gap from where sunlight entered the cave. Walking it was a longer and harder task than they expected, but they managed.

Light struck their eyes. Real light from the sun. They had survived. Grass flowed all over the mountain they stood on. A forest could be seen not so far away. The sun shone and a few small clouds passed over them. Further lay a small lake. It was beautiful.

Boromir lifted up the parchment:

I congratulate you, human. When I first saw you, I had no fear of failing, but it seems that you are made of stronger stuff than we Vampires. This is my little parting gift, I’m dead now, as you know, killed by my own Lord. The choice was yours and you chose right.
I could have left you to die in this cave. But why? What would I get for it? It was never my intention to kill you. The reason of this madness for me was only the continuation of the Vampire race, nothing else. And now that we failed, no more Vampires are to be seen, ever. We cannot use you anymore and so you are free. I thank you for your friendship. From here you’ll be able to walk out, on the other side of this note there is a map Ossiriand showing this location.

-Firithhyando


-~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------~~-


Enhillion sat on a stump of a tree. The night was calm, calmer than the endless silent times underground. He watched as the moon moved through the silky clouds. It had rained a moment ago. Everything was so green, nature thrived. He looked sadly at the ripples moving slowly across the lake. Nature thrived. But the Vampires were gone.

During the time when he last sat on the beach, years had past. Everybody he knew had died. Lossenatar. Numundo. Firithhyando. And he lived. He had to live, that the Men would live. The mission Yulnagar had gived him. He had to do it. Anymore there was no choice.

The moon shone bright.

[Volo]

The Innocents win!

The Vampires lose!

The Shade wins!

The Lovers win!
(Especially the Innocent Lover)


Congratulations to all!
I'll come back to discussing the game and writing the narration, but now I have to have a break. ;)


You may now talk openly in this thread!

[Volo]

I'd also very much like to have feedback as I intend on modding The Lost Age II (at least at this moment).

The feedback may be freely given, but here are some questions to which I'd like to have as many answers as possible. I'd prefer that you send the feedback by e-mail, but PMs and posting in the thread will do nearly as fine. :) Thank you!

What was good/worked in the rules?

What was bad/didn't work in the rules?

What could be changed to make the game better?

Special wishes?

General opinion?

Any thoughts about this game and not the rules?

[Aganzir]

Huh, it's over then. I have always wanted to die by squashing under my bed.

But what happened with the voting records? The missing vote for Menel, and the lynching of Legate instead of Spm?

Oh yes, my apologies for turning against you without any good reason, Spm. But, well, this was my first game, and I would never have spotted the vampires by myself (I really thought quite long that Nogrod was being our last vampire, and didn't give a thought for those many things that defended his innocence :o).

Anyway, this was really nice. Thank you everybody + Volo & Kath.
And special thanks for the one(s) who brainwashed (or bought) me to play this - I'm afraid this won't be my last game. :p

[Nogrod]

Just plain hilarious!!!

What a spectacle!

And thank's especially to Mac and Eomer for making it possible! :)


Congrats to all my fellow-villagers for the win and thank's to the vampires for being worthy opponents!


You just think what ran through my mind as I realised that Mac had given our vampire a free kill! And when I saw that Eomer used it on me I was cursing for not being able to take part in that new twist the game would take as it was so obvious Mac had no good intentions... But then again I was pretty confident with my choice of Gil as well so I just bit my nails waiting for the narration... :rolleyes:

Btw. Aganzir, the very same fact explains the vote-tallies as well but I think Mac should explain it himself.

I really enjoyed this, thank's to you all!


And last but not least a deep bow to Volo the mastermind! This was really something new and it worked just beautifully.

[Macalaure]

This was a really fun game, though I had less time to participate in it than I had wished I had. I have to admit that, at no time, I had any clue about who the wolves might be. :rolleyes: Because of it, I sadly never got a chance to try to manipulate my lover. :smokin:

In the end, it seems like the wolves were a little under-powered. Once the shade openly took the side of the innocents, they didn't stand a chance.

Kudos to Volo!


~ Mac the Knife, cobbler lover


PS:But what happened with the voting records? The missing vote for Menel, and the lynching of Legate instead of Spm? :Merisu:


crossed with Huntgrod.

[Aganzir]

Btw. Aganzir, the very same fact explains the vote-tallies as well but I think Mac should explain it himself.
Of course. I completely forgot about Mac when I was thinking about the voting. :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

Btw. Aganzir, the very same fact explains the vote-tallies as well but I think Mac should explain it himself.

No big mystery behind it. I think I was quite ineffective as a cobbler, except for mixing up the voting records. I feel very sorry for Saucepan's headaches...

No, I don't. :p


Well, the voting:

The first day I voted Celuien, of course. I had no idea who the wolves were (though I suspected Menel and Nogrod) and Celuien just looked very obviously innocent to me.

The second day I was quite satisfied with the spread voting first. But when it became clear that Menel would be the victim, I joined the waggon, but voted Rikae instead (sorry, my love, but a seer is a seer ;) ). I was happy to see that Menel was innocent.

The third day I was quite sure that either Saucepan or Legate was a wolf, but I gambled the wrong way and really voted Legate.

I didn't vote at all on day four, as there was no point for me. Eomer got 11 votes, by the way.


Maybe Volo should post the real voting records. :)

[Diamond18]

Well well well. That was an eventful closing narration. I have five minutes so I'll have to write a longer post later, but in case anyone is interested, this is who I protected:

Night 2: The Saucepan Man (but they went for Brinniel instead)

Night 3: Eomer (I'll explain later)

Night 4: Rikae

Night 5: Kitanna

[Rikae]

What just happened? :eek:

Why on earth did Eomer kill Nogrod instead of me?

EDIT: Crossed with everybody since Volo.

[Nogrod]

Why on earth did Eomer kill Nogrod instead of me?He may tell his reasons but two ideas have occured to me (for some reason I have given this some thought before the Night ended).

So either he was assured that I was going to hunt for Aganzir and not Gil or then he just wished to create some havoc when he exited. I think there was something to hint towards both of these solutions combined in his last post... If that is correct, then happily he was soo wrong about my intentions! ;)

[Volo]

Ok, I'll toss in this document as it might bring some discussion:

Votes: Day 1

Xyzzy –> Lommy 1
Di -> Legate 1
Sleepy -> Rune 1
Menel -> Rikae 1
Celuien -> Kitanna 1
Sixth -> Gil 1
Rikae -> Menel 1
Rune -> Menel 2
Boro -> Legate 2
Lommy -> Celuien 1
Roa -> Celuien 2
Aganzir -> Celuien 3
Mac -> Celuien 4
Nogrod -> Rikae 2
SPM -> Kitanna 2
Brinniel -> Rikae 3

Lynched: Celuien


Night 2

Di -> Protect: The Saucepan Man
Nogrod -> Hunt: Boromir
Rikae -> Dream: Macalaure

Kitanna -> SDream: Eomer

Gil -> VHunt: Nogrod
Eomer -> VDream: Thinlomien
Legate -> VProtect: Legate

Vampires kill: Brinniel

Lynch Seer: Eomer of the Rohirrim


Votes: Day 2

Xyzzy -> Rune 1
Di -> Nogrod 1
Shasta -> Gil 1
Kitanna -> Rikae 1
Sixth -> Rikae 2
Rikae -> Legate 1
Rune -> Menel 1
Durelin -> Boro 1
Mac -> Rikae 3
Lommy -> Menel 2
Aganzir -> Menel 3
Nogrod -> Menel 4
SPM -> Menel 5
Roa -> Nogrod 2

Lynched: Menel


Night 3

Nogrod -> Hunt: Boro
Rikae -> Dream: Boro
Di -> Protect: Eomer

Kitanna -> SKill: Eomer (Protected)

Legate -> VProtect: None
Eomer -> VDream: Durelin
Gil -> VHunt: Roa

Vampires kill: Roa

Lynch Seer: Nogrod


Votes: Day 3

Di -> Glirdan 1
Xyzzy -> Nogrod 1
Sixth -> Durelin 1
Rikae -> SPM 1
SPM -> Legate 1
Shasta -> Legate 2
Lommy -> SPM 2
Boro -> SPM 3
Kitanna -> Eomer 1
Rune -> Legate 3
Aganzir -> SPM 4
Durelin -> Legate 4
Mac -> Legate 5
Nogrod -> SPM 5

Lynched: Legate


Night 4

Rikae -> Dream: Lommy
Di -> Protect: Rikae
Nogrod -> Hunt: Legate

Kitanna -> SProtect: Rikae

Gil-Galad -> VHunt: SPM (2. Rikae, 3. Boromir)
Legate -> VProtect: Eomer
Eomer -> VDream: Aganzir

Vampires kill: Rikea (Twice protected.)

Lynch Seer: Boro


Votes: Day 4

Di -> Eomer 1
Sixth -> Eomer 2
Rikae -> Eomer 3
Kitanna -> Eomer 4
Rune -> Eomer 5
Xyzzy -> Eomer 6
Shasta -> Eomer 7
Lommy -> Eomer 8
Nogrod -> Eomer 9
SPM -> Eomer 10
Boro -> Eomer 11

Lynched: Eomer


Night 5

Nogrod -> Hunt: Gil
Di -> Protect: Kitanna
Rikae -> Dream: Aganzir

Shade -> Kill: Aganzir

Gil-Galad -> VHunt: SPM (2. Rikae, 3. Boromir)

Vampires kill: 1. Kitanna (2. Rikae 3. Nogrod 4. Boromir88)

Lynch Seer: Mac

LKill: Nogrod


EDIT: This might be flawed and in that case the whole game was flawed, but :Merisu:

[Rikae]

The Lovers win!
(Especially the Innocent Lover)Who might that be?

(Just lemmie at her...:D )

[Nogrod]

This might be flawed and in that case the whole game was flawedI hope not with this...
Night3
Kitanna -> SKill: Eomer (Protected)

Legate -> VProtect: None


The Lovers win!
(Especially the Innocent Lover)
Who might that be?
I sadly never got a chance to try to manipulate my lover.
Sadly you don't seem to have heard the news yet, but yes Mac had a lover. May they reveal themselves to you if they so wish... :Merisu: :D

[Kitanna]

For only 4 Days that was quite an intense game. And to think I had plans of killing Gil in the night, luckily Nogrod took him down.

I must say I had some reservations about joining this game, but I'm glad I did. I just wish school hadn't kept me from playing as much as I would have liked. But Volo and Kath that was an excellent game.

Also my apologies Eomer. I felt a bit like a traitor turning on you like that after some of the successes we had as wolves together in the past.

And could someone please explain this:
The Lovers win!
(Especially the Innocent Lover)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

My brain hurts.

While I ponder, I'll just say that I was pretty certain Macalaure had some absolutely fiendish and brilliant plot to squeeze the remaining vampire's identity from me. I had no idea why he would give me a kill. I killed Nogrod because, well, does it matter? He could theoretically have taken out another innocent and thus increased Gil's chances of winning by a slight percentage.

It was an interesting game but kind of depressing from our point of view because we realised very early that we had little chance of winning. Villagers did well though. :)

(We said bad things about you, Kitanna. ;) )

[Macalaure]

There were lovers in this game, one of which was of a very sneaky kind.

I was a couple with Lommy, but while she was perfectly innocent, I was a filthy, rotten, vote-record-sabotaging cobbler. I had to lead the village astray while keeping an innocent face to her.

So I couldn't just run mad like many cobblers do. I hoped to survive til late in the game and then try to influence Lommy into doing the wrong things. Sadly, I didn't get the chance to find out whether I would have been able to.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Heh.

I wondered why Gil was so adamant that there was a connection between Legate and myself... Had they killed me, that probably would have taken suspicion off of Legate. :)

I'm happy to report that my personal suspicion panned out, too. :D

One thing I noticed, though... the whole bit about the votes being posted on the thread basically nullified the free kill given by the Lynch Seer... because no one wanted to give the person being lynched a free kill, and since they knew who was being lynched.... :rolleyes:

I'm a little confused, though... was Cobbler an actual role?

[Rikae]

I was a couple with Lommy, but while she was perfectly innocent, I was a filthy, rotten, vote-record-sabotaging cobbler. I had to lead the village astray while keeping an innocent face to her.
Lommy, eh?

*slaps Lommy with a glove*

I challenge you to a duel!

Mark my words, Thinlo, in all forthcoming games, I will make it my goal to see you lynched on day one, or, failing that, eaten on night 2!

[Nogrod]

One thing I noticed, though... the whole bit about the votes being posted on the thread basically nullified the free kill given by the Lynch Seer... because no one wanted to give the person being lynched a free kill, and since they knew who was being lynched.... :rolleyes:As we knew we had lynched Spm with 6 votes against Legate's 4? :D

I personally found that particular idea (and all this secret voting-stuff) the most interesting. It gave this game it's distinct flavour and some added excitement.

It was an interesting game but kind of depressing from our point of view because we realised very early that we had little chance of winning. Villagers did well though.I'm not sure you had bad chances in the beginning. You saw how f.ex. myself and Roa were pretty much tearing each other apart (oh those bad/good ol'days) and how even in the last evening Spm was getting his nice theories why I was the last vamp etc... :rolleyes:

I mean too many loud innocents seem to end up lynching each other almost every time. Think if Boro or Mac would have had more time in their hands and had not been declared innocents! The focus of discussion would have been in all the wrong matters (from the villagers point pof view).

Or if the shade would have decided to stay ambivalent a bit longer... and wouldn't have dreamt of you Eomer in the first place!

And the cobbler surely messed with us quite nicely...! *coughMaccough*

[xyzzy]

Good game.

It was interesting, because at first we thought that non-public voting would hurt us; but I think it was actually better than any alternative.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nay, Nogrod, nay. With the lynch seer and numbers of votes, the village already had a very big advantage (although perhaps that would have changed had people known about the cobbler?) The Shade made it impossible.

[Durelin]

Ohhhhh...so Mac was the Cobbler....

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I really pity that I missed most of it, but even then it was pretty intense. Loved it! Huh, and there were some lovers present? And even a cobbler - who was one of them? No clue :D

I must say, from my point of view, you all played fantastically - even the newcomers, I hope you all stay with us for some more games! And yes, it's highly addictive :D

Though we didn't, as Vampires, end that well (here I agree with Eo that we were really a little bit overpowered, at least when Kitanna decided to side with the villagers - with so many already known innocents, it was really a killer), I must say it was nice. Even the lynch seer rule, which I at first was skeptical about if it would ever be applied, was used pretty well. And it was really interesting to see the innocents speculate about the voting lists! Now taking to mind that there was a cobbler present, it was maybe not that unbalanced (although it was him who lynched me...)... so basically, the closing point is that the rules were okay, only the Shade shouldn't be allowed to win together with the village if they have more than six members or something like that :)

And I must say, Volo, my death narration was really brilliant. As well as all the narrations. Once again, great game!

P.S. But whether we have lost, you must agree that Gil was a great Vampire! I am quite convinced that with some luck he might even yet make it!

[Macalaure]

So,... are we now going to collect money to pay Gil? :D

[Nogrod]

Nay, Nogrod, nay. With the lynch seer and numbers of votes, the village already had a very big advantage (although perhaps that would have changed had people known about the cobbler?) The Shade made it impossible.With only one game of this nature behind us I think it's pretty hard to say anything definitive. I mean there are very basic games where the village wins in three days (I've been in one!) and those where the wolves finally carry the last villager to the death.

I mean there are too many particular variables that have only been tried once.

F.ex. if I was the shade, I probably wouldn't have dreamt of any of you three and at least you Eomer would still roam free, probably Gil would be alive as well and Day5 going with two vamps...

Or had Legate had more time to upgrade his playing from Day1 and he might pretty well have escaped the attention he caught...

Etc...

But I agree with you that the villagers did have the numbers on their side - even with the cobbler included. And also in the long run the voting tallies might have revealed the cheaters - were there any such persons left alive who would care to go through all of them to make the calculations... :D

And I think you're also right with what you say about the cobbler-role. Had we known there is a cobbler among us I think some lynchings might have gone the other way they did...

[The Sixth Wizard]

Awesome writing Volo! :)

[Diamond18]

That was definitely one of the more enjoyable games of Werewolf I've played. Thanks to Volo and Kath for the complicated and interesting rules/roles. I enjoyed the narrations, especially the innovative way of having the Oracle kill each lynch candidate.

I hope not with this...
Quote:
Night3
Kitanna -> SKill: Eomer (Protected)

Legate -> VProtect: None

Eomer was protected because I protected him, Noggie. That was the Night after the Day that Rikae revealed herself to be the Seer. Everyone assumed that, naturally, the Ranger would protect Rikae. Ha. Ha ha ha ha ha! I was 90% certain the Vampires would no go after Rikae since they would be assuming I was protecting, so I thought to buy her another dream by playing dangerous and waiting to protect the next night. That left me to decide who I thought the Vampires would most like to kill, besides Rikae. I chose Eomer because he'd been the Lynch Seer and I assumed (forgetting that it's Eomer we're talking about, after all) that a Vampire Lynch Seer wouldn't be bold enough to post. Har.

So anyway, at first I thought I was bloody brilliant for protecting Eomer (successfully) and it took a while for it to dawn on me that the reason the Shade wanted to kill him was because she had dreamed of him the previous night and knew him to be a vamp. In the meantime I was a bit confused as to whether or not I should contine with my plan to protect Rikae on Night 4, or trust the Shade. I opted to not trust the Shade and that's why Kitanna and I were both hanging around Rikae on Night 4. This was a bit of a fudge up since that left Rikae unprotected on Night 5, but apparently the vamps wanted to kill Kitanna instead, so in the end it didn't matter.

I have to say, it was extremely tempting for me to respond to Durelin's post where she said that if she were the Shade she would kill Rikae instead of protecting her on Night 4. I practically had to bite my hands to not post "Ha ha ha! You would TRY!" :p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Lommy, eh?

*slaps Lommy with a glove*

I challenge you to a duel!

Mark my words, Thinlo, in all forthcoming games, I will make it my goal to see you lynched on day one, or, failing that, eaten on night 2!
I am afraid you will fail my dear. . .Lommy is not a person that people want to kill early on and for some reason the wolves also seems to leave her alone.


Anyways I must say something about this whole "shade" thing. For the first time I decided not to care wither I got lynched or not and just have fun. A result of this decition was that I played in charachter first day. . .I had no idea that there was a charachter called the shade! I remembered the charachter, but I had forgot the name, it was by chance that I used the word "shade". At first I found it all very amusing, but the day we killed Legate it was getting annoying listening to Nogrod (no offence), luckely my vote made me look innocent.

[Thinlómien]

*dodges Rikae's glove*

I'm just an innocent girl! *directs all gloves and other missiles at Volo* :p

[The Sixth Wizard]

Innocent again!

I randomly searched 'werewolf strategies' and came up with this (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5781774&an=0&page=0), which is quite good. I particularly emphasise rule 2, don't post too much. Personally it gets me off the track of the other posts I have read, and often doesn't get me convinced. A quick game's a good game, my teachers always say.

I think it's really a shame that the Shade Kit had to reveal. It must have shortened the game a mite, though Legate was going to be lynched anyway. (?)

Sorry I wasn't very active during this game, but the deadline was quite a problem for me. I always seemed to be on the computer when nobody else is. Sometimes I would wait four hours and only a few people had posted. I also had a problem with not being around right at the deadline. Bummer.

Good game everyone!

[Volo]

*dodges Rikae's glove*

I'm just an innocent girl! *directs all gloves and other missiles at Volo* :p

Wait till the ending narration comes! ;)

I personally think that the Vampires were overpowered, they only got 9/20 killed before they met their doom. Hard to say, it might be even harder for the Vampires with fewer players...


Have to go...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Fascinating, Diamond. I had no idea. I'm sure that's not the first time you've protected me when I was evil. :D

I considered the possibility that the Ranger would leave Rikae, but thought it would be too risky. If it all went wrong, the village would really hate you. At the end, I sort of thought Rikae was lying about being the seer. No real basis for this; the game just got very confusing and I ended up being sceptical about every little thing!

That's what fear and paranoia do.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What about the riddles? I didn't understand mine. Maybe you should post them all, Volo, and have some sort of spin-off competition? :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Well that all explains a lot ...

Curse you, Mac, for making my brain hurt like that. Those voting figures were driving me up the wall.

Then again, you had good reason to spread suspicion of me and, in any event, ended up saving me, so no apology required. I should be thanking you! :D

As Volo and Kath can testify (sorry, folks, for my little rant) I was absolutely fuming when I returned after the end of Day 3 to see that I had apparently been lynched, particularly as the main reason given was that I had come across as "too helpful". :rolleyes: Having been the one to first suggest both the open voting (which, of course, became my nemesis) and that it was in the Shade's interests to side with the village, and having devoted reams of spam to actually trying to use such evidence as we had, I was somewhat annoyed to end up apparently lynched, especially as I was enjoying the game so much. I mean, I can understand being suspected, even on the basis of little evidence, but to have all of those who were either known or believed (by me) innocents to suddenly turn against me like that was rather alarming.

It is unlikely to have happened, given that Boro was the Lynch Seer but, had I been given an opportunity to take someone with me, I had resolved that it would be Nogrod. Partially because I still suspected him, and partially because, if he was the true Hunter (as he was), I was pretty sure that he would hunt Legate (as he did, that Night). Hence I was fairly sure that I would be able to take one Vampire down by it.

Oh and Gil. How could you kill me off like that - with the finishing post in sight - after all I said about the new you? ;) Mind you, I probably deserved to die, as I was a pretty disreputable character. I was rather hoping, when I wrote my character, that I might be the Shade.

The Lovers win!
(Especially the Innocent Lover)OK, so I get who were the Lovers, but how come the Lovers win if Mac was the Cobbler? Not that I want to deny he and Lommy their win. Just curious.

I agree that, as matters ended up, the cards were rather stacked against the poor Vamps. But that was down to the Shade's choice and Kitanna could have taken her chances with the Vampires and wreaked havoc among the innocents. The Vampires' hand was also slightly strengthened by the existence of the Cobbler, which went some way toeards nullifying the benefits of the "voting record".

And, had Noggie, chosen to hunt an innocent instead of Gil on the final Night, the Vampires would still have been in with a chance. Although Gil was under suspicion from some quarters, and Kitanna and Rikae would both have had at least one more Night.

Hats off to Noggie for taking out Gil, but hats off also to to Gil, who I never really suspected at all. He was on my "warm fuzzy" list for almost the entire game. Indeed, well done to all three vampires, who managed to remain pretty well hidden for much of the game. You were unlucky to be spotted, Eomer, and I guess that you had no option but to state a vote for Menel, Legate.

Sorry, Rikae, for my determined pursuit of you. But I really was convinced of your Vampirishness at the time. You made some very good dream picks and must have been a real thorn in the Vamps' sides after you had revealed (although I sometimes wished that you had dreamed of me ...).

Good moves from Kitanna and Di too, for keeping Rikae alive, for spotting Eomer (Kitanna) and for taking the punt on not protecting Rikae (Di).

Indeed, well played all round. This was a very enjoyable game, despite the frustration at times. I rather like these games with incomplete information and unknown roles, even if they risk damaging my mental health ...

So well done, Volo and Kath for an exciting set of rules and a compelling storyline. I even felt sorry for the Vamps at times ...

As to balance etc, I rather agree with Nogrod that it is difficult to reach a firm opinion on one game, given all the ways that it could have gone.

I had no idea about the meaning of my own riddle - or any of the others - save that with the benefit of knowing who was likely to be lynched I thought that the 'no cares and worries' might signify Eomer's Snoopy cavalier avatar.

And I too was utterly shocked when Mac posted the riddle. He would have had some interesting questions to answer, had the last Night gone differently ...

[Thinlómien]

This was one of the funniest games I've ever played in! So thanks to fellow villagers and to the mods.

(Even though I would have loved to see Day5: everybody accusing Mac of cobblerism, him denying it, me trying to assure everybody that we should not worry about a revealed cobbler but to lynch the last wolf and someone throwing in the theory of Rikae being a false seer... :D)

I see you were innocent, Saucer. (<- that's the closest to apology you'll hear... ;))

(I really thought quite long that Nogrod was being our last vampire, and didn't give a thought for those many things that defended his innocence ).Don't worry, Aga, you were not the only one to think so... (admittedly I thought it was a possibility)

edit: xed with Sauce

[Volo]

Well that all explains a lot ...

Curse you, Mac, for making my brain hurt like that. Those voting figures were driving me up the wall.

Then again, you had good reason to spread suspicion of me and, in any event, ended up saving me, so no apology required. I should be thanking you! :D

As Volo and Kath can testify (sorry, folks, for my little rant) I was absolutely fuming when I returned after the end of Day 3 to see that I had apparently been lynched, particularly as the main reason given was that I had come across as "too helpful". :rolleyes: Having been the one to first suggest both the open voting (which, of course, became my nemesis) and that it was in the Shade's interests to side with the village, and having devoted reams of spam to actually trying to use such evidence as we had, I was somewhat annoyed to end up apparently lynched, especially as I was enjoying the game so much. I mean, I can understand being suspected, even on the basis of little evidence, but to have all of those who were either known or believed (by me) innocents to suddenly turn against me like that was rather alarming.

And can you believe how I yelled when Mac the Cobbler voted for Legate, two minutes before Nogrod voted for you. You sure have skills in surviving! :D

OK, so I get who were the Lovers, but how come the Lovers win if Mac was the Cobbler? Not that I want to deny he and Lommy their win. Just curious.

Lovers win because they survived as a team. Mac lost as a cobbler. Lommy won as an innocent.

[Thinlómien]

My role assignation (which I found quite funny)
ROLE
You are the hidden role! Nearly Innocent, but not completely. For you are a Lover!

As soon you saw the handsome man in the dark hood, you fell in love. His goatee was something you couldn't resist. (Everybody back home would be envious, you would teach them!) He looked back at you and you blushed. With a sudden glint in his eye, he came to you and said "Hello". You looked at his chin and told your name. He answered "Mac".

It is your job to survive with Macalaure to the end and get rid of those ugly Vampires. But if anything happens to Mac, you'd probably commit suicide, so don't let anything like that come even near! You may vote, and PM with Mac at day. Remember that only Mac knows about your love, keep it hidden.

I wish you luck, for you are on the righteous quest to survival!

Funny quotes from Mac's PMs:
Day 1
I guess we can't rule out the possibility that Volo put some more surprise roles into the mix, a cobbler, more lovers, I don't know. A cursed villager would fit well into the story...
Anyway, there's little use in speculating.That was plain evil! Even though I must admit I thought it hilarious after I had found out Mac's true role. (I realised something was wrong when he posted Eomer's riddle and sent him an inquisitive pm, and then he had to confess.)

Day1 or Night2, I'm not too sure
I guess the most dangerous thing for us will be that we will be tempted to adopt the other's suspicions too easily, because we know they're honest. Honest indeed...

Day 3 or Night 4
Oh, and it's so funny that Noggie keeps joking that "if there were lovers in this game, they'd be Rikae and Mac". :D
Now how on earth did he get that impression. :p

I bet there's a second lover couple consisting of Nogrod and Gil. :smokin:

[The Saucepan Man]

I see you were innocent, Saucer.Aw, and you were on my innocent list throughout ... ;)

Don't worry, Aga, you were not the only one to think so...I am afraid that, had he and I survived, I would have been gunning for Noggie on Day 5 on the basis of my crazy "Gifteds not revealed" theory. Which was no less crazy, in a way, to there being a Cobbler and his Lover that we had not been told about ... :p

You sure have skills in surviving!Hey, I need the luck to counter the suspicion that I always seem to be under whatever I do. :D

[Thinlómien]

What are you doing? Why are you granting Eomer a free kill? :confused:
Well, I only hope that Eomer really does see it. The chances of the vampires are pretty slim right now, so I had to take my chances. I'm not sure about the rules: can a ranger protect someone from a post-lynch kill? I hope not. It would be nice if it was the case and Eomer was the vampire hunter. He could take out two gifteds at the same time, which would be more than one could wish for.

~ Mac, cobbler lover

*hides*

Concerning tactics, I was lying a little bit when I said I wanted to lynch Aganzir and not you. In fact, I was trying to commit suicide by getting you lynched, so that the village wastes a lynch and the vampire won't waste a kill on a cobbler who s/he thinks a known innocent.

But then Rikae revealed she dreamt of you...

Let's see...

in the best case, we have Nogrod's death (1) and the one Nogrod takes with him (2). If Eomer is the vampire hunter he will take another one with him (3). Then there's the common vampire kill (4). If the vampires don't kill Kitanna, which I doubt, we even have a shade kill (5) on top of it!

I find this to be appropriately amusing. :D


Wait, if one of the five is you, then I will be another dead body (6). And I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a second lover couple (7!!).

This be good! :D

Oh, and I must say I laughed aloud for many minutes when I found out Mac's true role...

[Macalaure]

That Lommy here has no sense of privacy... :p

[Volo]

Riddles, huh?

The hardest part of the game for me, was nearly impossible to come up with anything on some members.

Well, they're really hard, because otherwise there would have been 0% use out of them. Most of them have something from my perspective, so it might have caused even more confusion.


1 Gil-Galad

”By this text I honor this person, for this person was the first to do like I do now. The person might slither up to you and sting, but personally doubt it.”

Refering to "Which Downer Am I?” thread. His zodiacs are snake and scorpio.

2 Rune Son of Bjarne

”Not everybody has had the luxury to be to the west of the Fires of Hell. This one is lucky, also to have been my on way.”

Refering to the picture in the Downer, here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=486036&postcount=56) and Volosvej

3 Boromir88

"This Spartan inhabitant demands you finish first, and in honor of this person something great begins."

Birthday 25th of April, game started on that day. Laconia was occupied by the Spartans. "Demands you finish first" refers to sig.

4 Nogrod

”There might still be oil in this one’s mouth. A merry man stole this person’s knife. And this person must be trying to sell something, though I don’t know what.”

He called himself ”Motormuzzle” in "All about you" thread. His WW game where the Merry Anguirel got the golden dagger. The ”ad” in his sig. Hard!

5 Eomer of the Rohirrim

”Good friend of one unlucky Elf. Once visited the town without too many worries or cares.”

Glorfindel-duck in myspace. "Without too many worries or cares" is the first line of his own WW game.

6 Thinlómien

”And they say that you have to be pray before you can be the hunter... This person will most certainly be missing. Oh, and there’s the Orc!”

Just recently been wolf. Missing because of no Internet at home. Narfforc came next after her (Hard. I gave a hint
here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=518849&postcount=801)).

And I thought It'd be easy to think of something with such members like Nogrod and Lommy... Just how wrong I was... :rolleyes:

7 Brinniel

”Though there is no light, a great chart this person drew before the downfall came.”

Her PT and her Downer Map thread, also her homepage (get there through her livejournal account) with a poem called "Downfall".

8 Legate of Amon Lanc

”Twice lost, but well alive. One of the members of the Fellowship, though not the one with the cross.”

Has a thread with the word ”lost” twice. Has a web page ”The Fellowship of Middle-Earth”. His avatar was mistaken to have a cross in it.

9 Aganzir

”When this one came at last, the next to come, would be one real stir, a stir that wouldn’t stay.”

Gah. Get yourself a history! ;) Well, that’s with the member numbers again. Aganzir came just before OrcLeaderalpha.

10 Meneltarmacil

”The archer great, a knight of old from the land of old. To the heart of fun half the arrows fly.”

Most of his threads marked with arrows and half of such threads are in M-e mirth. ”Ye Olde Knight” (a knight of old) in from the first WW he modded.

11 Xyzzy

”Can all the answers be in this one person. I bet this person had the greatest party, a day before another millennium came by and the winner fainted. And not because of the stinks.”

Member 6142 (Sorry... Reading Adams...). Had his birthday a day before Menel got 1000 posts (I know, I know... But this was hard.) His schedule "stinks", like he said in some post.

12 The Sixth Wizard

”After a sigh from above the sword began to speak.”

His thread where he ”sighs” in the first post, and then Anguirel posts the next post.

13 Roa_Aoife

”I fear this person and so should All, after the smile you now see is gone. For this one the cursed day will wait, but when it comes, it truly will be cursed, and rude.”

”I fear” comes from her name, then comes the freaky ”O_o” smiley, then ”A” ("Roa_Aoife" -> "I fear A O_o" :o ) Her birthday is the 13th of September, next year it should have been a Friday but isn’t so the next time 13th of September is a Friday is year 2013 that has the ”cursed” 13 in it... One of her threads has "rude" text in it.

14 Macalaure

”Beware of this one’s gifts (and the light), it might be that there’s a different face under the mask. The person’s list of names is long.”

Huh, hard one... again. Refers to his Annatar lj avatar, the talk about his picture that he doesn’t look like a computer nerd and to the ”Elementary Downers” picture he made. One ”light” thread marker.

15 Diamond18

”If that’s the truth, then this one you should trust (just this one time). Somewhat not onesided.”

Her biography with the vampireslaying. She has a different version of current avatar in lj.

16 Shastanis Althreduin

”As soon as some nameless thing passed, this person came to be. For the tenth year cursed.”

He’s member 6220, member 6219 is ”Nameless Thing”. Birthday 13th February, next time that will be a Friday 2010.

17 Celuien

”Bravely this hidden eye told our truth, and now our truth remains.”

Davem’s back by writing this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13329). ”Hidden eye” -> her lj link is ”hidden” and behind it is her old avatar with the blinking eye.

18 Kitanna

”I’d chose the cake and add a candle to have it even, so I really hope this member would agree.”

Her lj avatar ”cake or death?” and the fact that she’s having her 20th birthday during the game.

19 Sleepy Ranger

”It wasn’t much but late this one did come and in this land something else this person might well be.”

Simply refers to his date of birth, which is one day later than mine, and to his name which has the misguiding word ”ranger” in it.

20 Durelin

”This person will not have to endure much longer, as the light shall make its wake in not so many days, the wind will follow and then will death.”

”Endure” refers to her name and ”light” and ”wake” to her homepage ”Hornwake” where Summer represents Light, Autumn Wind and Winter Death.

21 Glirdan

”This person’s greatest reign has ended, but it was because of this person that you all are where you now are.”

Refering to his TiGJunior thread that was closed and to the game he modded that was my first.

22 The Saucepan Man

"A death knell to the heart causes a spider-like situation."

Probably the only person in this game with ”sticky threads”. Death knell to the heart refers to the book, where Sam says so.

23 Rikae

”The lonely Orc.”

Her only thread with no answers.


The numbers in front of name are for shuffling you into your roles and into the narrations. I used this (http://www.random.org/integers/?num=1&min=1&max=23&col=1&format=html&rnd=new) as the randomizer.


Ok, what next? Narration! \o/

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wow :eek:

What a shame the game didn't last that long to use them all. Or at least, more of them. The more I look at what you have had prepared in the game, the more I see how brilliantly was the game constructed. From the story through the rules to the hidden roles and these riddles - it's obvious all of it couldn't even have been used in the game. As a long-time gamemaster and planner I know what it is to work up something this big, yet knowing there'll still be just one tenth of it explored by the players in the end... but even though you know it, it by no way disencourages your work on it... Wonderful!

[Rikae]

Oh, and it's so funny that Noggie keeps joking that "if there were lovers in this game, they'd be Rikae and Mac".

And I was just telling Mac that no mod would ever make us lovers! We've been suspected of it in at least half the games we've played...

I find this to be appropriately amusing. :D


Wait, if one of the five is you, then I will be another dead body (6). And I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a second lover couple (7!!).

This be good! :D

What ever happened to too much action making bad movies...hmmm? :p

Volo...dear God...no human being could solve those riddles! You scare me!

I must say, your narrations were astounding. You put so much into this game...too bad most of it went over some of our heads (read: my head)...

[Kath]

Well done villagers! It was a shame the vampires were so overpowered by the end, their final narration is great!

I must say reading along truly made me laugh. First Gil's declaration that we should pay him for participating so much (and thank you for doing so Gil!), then SPM wholeheartedly going after Rikae only to find that she was the Seer, and then all the innocents being absoutely certain that it was Rikae that had been attacked and protected that third night.

Ah good times, eh?

Volo...dear God...no human being could solve those riddles! You scare me!
And those are the slightly easier versions! You should have seen the first ones he came up with. :rolleyes: :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And those are the slightly easier versions! You should have seen the first ones he came up with. :rolleyes: :D
What? I can't imagine anything harder!

You possibly had to be around to calm him a little bit ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

Good grief! those riddles are entirely beyond me, with the possible exception of Menel's (and surely they are somewhat discriminatory towards non-LJ subscribers :p ;) ).

... then SPM wholeheartedly going after Rikae only to find that she was the Seer ...Hehe. I have lost count of the number of times that I have unintentionally contributed to the Seer being either lynched or forced to reveal. It's becoming something of an albatross about my neck (although it was somewhat foruitous in Mac's game ...).

But, with that Eomer/Celuein thing, I really failed to see how anyone could see Rikae as anything but a baddie. :rolleyes:

On a more serious note, I am slightly concerned at how regular it is becoming for people to sign up and then have no time to play. Once is understandable, twice is unfortunate, but three times or more is surely avoidable ...

[Volo]

Legate, you are right there. I did have two roles that I couldn't fit into the game, I don't think they are too new, but I haven't seen them in any WW before:

Shaman:

May revive one player during the game.
(The player might not count in the total score/The player might not be allowed to vote/Something)

Soulmates:

May PM at any time, even if either one of them dies.

I must say, your narrations were astounding. You put so much into this game...too bad most of it went over some of our heads (read: my head)...

Hey, don't go to far with the Italics! :rolleyes: And if the text went over your head, then it failed to be good, but I thank you indeed!


Good grief! those riddles are entirely beyond me, with the possible exception of Menel's (and surely they are somewhat discriminatory towards non-LJ subscribers).
It does help you when you are the Lynch Seer yourself and have the vote number and the thread to help you. In most cases it's a choice of two players and then the riddle isn't too hard if you know where to search. I told in the other thread that the links may hold answers to the riddles. The only person who has a twice linked riddle is Brinniel.


Some great quotes:

I would like to say, that I might accuse Roa of blatant lying about myself lying blatantly about Rikae's blatant lying... and I'm pretty convinced that I'm more to the target here than she is (well, I know it, but anyhow).


Anyway, please, don't be suspicious of Rikae for flirting with me, I'd make me feel guilty.

Don't worry Mac, you do not kill the girl that does the flirting, you kill the person she is flirting with instead of you.

Mac has a knife again now. He examines it gleefully and then hides it with and evil smirk on his face.

I don't trust this Mac person. He speaks of a knife...then says he doesn't have one! I say we search him.

And I bet you want to be the one who does, don't you?

Can't I at least frisk him?

Knew it!

For me too since I have pretty much no idea who I think is a vampire. Of the silent ones I'd prefer to lynch Xyzzy, since he might be active enough to avoid the modfire, but passive enough to leave no tracks of any kind and because the few things he has said aren't very innocentish... Grudges?

Isn't the Shade able to protect during Nights, too? What if the Ranger protects Rikae next Night and the Shade the following Night? This would win us one dream more. Funny that a newbie ( ;) ) found the loophole of the game. The Shade role should certainly be changed. And I got great advice on this one, thanks Mac!

Three days absence -> death.
Glirdan has this Day (and Night) time to come alive.

I think posting this here is quite legal as it concerns the rules of this game.
I just find that little add-on quite interesting. So why has he also the Night to appear as no one innocent-ordo can't do anything at Night and so his time to call in ends as this Day ends?

And clearly Glirdan is none of our gifteds or the shade as they have played. So that leaves only the possibility that he's a vamp...?

Of course I may read too much into Volo's adding the Night there but why then it is there? Too much thinking... Just like me in your game. :D

I tend to be more confusing when I'm trying not to be, like with the rules of the game...

See y'all either toMorrow or, if not, in the afterthread ...

And if Aganzir is a wolf then it just might be conceivable that Lommy is one as well. She's playing in her cool way as ever ducking almost all suspicions. And I wouldn't put it past Volo to handpick his two friends as the vampires just for the fun of it... This talks only against you. I especially like "I wouln't put it past Volo"-part.

Sheesh, now that you say it and I think of it I guess I've been kind of shielding Aganzir - but because she genuinely seems innocent to me and because she is a RL friend fo mine and this is her first game... This reminds me of my own first game...

Well, I have to say that I was utterly furious when I first reviewed events at the end of yesterDay and ready to call you all ninnyhammers on the afterthread. But now I am rather surprised and delighted.

I must now be down to seven lives ... although I am somewhat honoured to become (as far as I know) the only player to have twice received the most votes on the game thread and yet still lived. Indeed!

Feeling good at the moment (it can change but at the moment all looks bright the first time...)! You just can't believe how happy I was at that moment with Mac putting complete confusion at that time... I must admit that I haven't had the time to figure out how you understood any of the stuff you wrote in the game about voting and so on, the game was certainly too confusing to me.

No. The three vampires were watching the attack from the tower and responded to it by noting that we were protected. Too much thinking, I even wrote that the narrations are for pure entertainment. I and Kath contradicted the game many times in the narrations, the only part that had any relevence was the part after "The living:".




Narration will come any day.

Umm...

...any year.


EDIT: Aargh, why is there a smiley limit. :/

[Kath]

I and Kath contradicted the game many times in the narrations.
For which I apologise. I got a little carried away with my narrating and didn't refer back to what Volo had written before except for the names of the vampires and their little quarrel. But hey, it made for some interesting interpretations!

[Volo]

For which I apologise. I got a little carried away with my narrating and didn't refer back to what Volo had written before except for the names of the vampires and their little quarrel. But hey, it made for some interesting interpretations!
No, they work very well! :) The biggest difference in them was that in your narration there were no spelling mistakes in every second word and the words were much more versatile. I don't think you contradicted any of the stuff I wrote earlier and I very much liked the way you told about Eomer being protected from Eomer's own eyes. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You did both well, the narrations were very good, even in the stylistic way. Just waiting for the final... ;) (hint hint)

[Rikae]

Hey, don't go to far with the Italics! :rolleyes:
Yeah, well, you see, the thing about that was, as I said in the title...italics was stuck!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, and I forgot to mention the part of the narration I really liked... actually, I liked it all, the story... but there was one point that made me laugh hard (well, maybe the only one in the whole narration... otherwise it was pretty grave...)

In the Night 2 narration:
Firithhyando cursed in the usual calm manner, ”Chort ih vozmi.
:D :D :D !!!

[Volo]

Oh, and I forgot to mention the part of the narration I really liked... actually, I liked it all, the story... but there was one point that made me laugh hard (well, maybe the only one in the whole narration... otherwise it was pretty grave...)
;) A reference to a certain WW game...

[Nogrod]

Okay Spm, let's call it fifty-fifty?

We were both innocents who died the same Night.

We both strongly drove forwards a few ideas good to us all.

We both had suspicions over each other (with flawed reasons).

We both went through the voting records quite arduously to get our clues to help the village (you did more actual work on them but in the end I managed to nail Gil with the help of them).

We both won from beyond the grave.

We over-thinked just a bit too much both of us. Though thinking was the thing that secured our victory in the end.

And sorry about my vote to you on Day3 but I was then trying to play it as effective I could - and I think you would have made the same decision had our roles been the other way around.

I mean that It was clear that Rikae was to be protected on Night4 and thence I as the revealed-Hunter was facing a high probability of death the next Night. So as I saw that the innocent Mac (:eek: ) voted for you and put you to 5-4 lead at the last minute I thought it was safest to confirm your lynch (had Mac been an innocent you would have died without my vote anyhow) and make the vamp-Legate a bit more assured with killing me - as I took Legate as my target that Night...

-----

Oh my Volo, your riddles were just headbangers! I had no idea where my own came from, not to talk of those of the others! I can see sense in many of them as I look at them afterwards, but they do actually require quite a lot of work to unravel... And that is not bad as such but might lessen the chance of someone actually posting them...


At the end, I sort of thought Rikae was lying about being the seer. No real basis for this; the game just got very confusing and I ended up being sceptical about every little thing!I do agree. I indeed spammed Volo with a bit more lengthier post dealing with my hunter choice one Night where I cried that the situation just didn't make sense and that I was pretty worried that there was something wrong with our then "known" innocents... had it just occured to me that we had a cobbler(lover) in this game... :(

But yes, this was such fun! :)

[Volo]

The final narrations are all there on page 15, posts 597-599. :)


Thank you all once again!

Gil-Galad was the king of the game! Love you too! Don't drop the style (We'll pay you.)!

Mac, thank you so much for accepting the annoying role. I was extremely nervous with it, especially as it's a one time role (unless we want to temper the newbies).

And Lommy for not killing me (yet)!

Sleepy, I was so happy when you decided to join after such a long break. Well, it didn't work this time, but I hope to see you in a game or two during the Summer!

Same to Glirdan! Do join a game during the Summer, I really want to see you out in the land of Werewolf!

Diamond, I was not only suprised that you joined the game, but also thrilled. And I was right! You did an awesome job as the Ranger.

Sixth, this really only your second game? Well played, well played!

Celuien... I was really sorry to see you lynched so early. When you yourself are in the game, you care only about yourself. But now that I wasn't in the danger of being killed, I felt really sad for you who did get killed. See you in another game!

Brinniel, you too. You felt so excited in the discussion thread, I really thought that the Vampires did unfairly when they killed you *coughcough*. I hope this didn't send you away from WW! (I also really liked your character.)

Aganzir, you old Dwarf! Though it cost me an icecream to get you here, it was worth it! Haven't seen many first timers who get killed off by a special killing role for playing too well.

You have the right attitude, Rune! Sure was worth waiting for you to join!

Shasta, wow! Sorry to have put you into such a hard game straight away, but you sure wasn't new to WW. Great RPGing! Do join an another game,

Esspiem the Deathless. When I found out what your first miraculous rebirth in Mac's game was, I laughed really hard! Now here's the man to whom the Innocents should be thankfull!

Menel, wait... "Now stop killing off Menel at the first Days! >: (" I hope to see you in a game during the Summer, where you aren't killed so soon "Hear that!".

Rikae the Seer. Funny how a Seer can be of so much use after being revealed on Day 2 and Dreaming only of Innocents! I'm waiting for your game, remember to put my name in the very top.

Legate the Ever Encouraging. Huh, you too were already a wolf... :rolleyes: I really messed up with the roles then. Anyway, well played, I'm sorry your computer malfunctioned... Hmm... I haven't played a single game with you, that has to be changed!

Xyzzy! I'm sorry that I couldn't really fit your character into the game, it was an original one too. Try giving WW some more time and don't forget to join the next game!

That jerk, now where's he! Ah, Durelin! I had lots of fun with your character, pity he couldn't bring that gun of his. Good thinking there!

Roa! That PM you sent really made me smile, I hope you're not too angry that I didn't answer it the way you asked me to... Sorry, I must say that your death was probably the key to victory, as Nogrod would have wasted all his time Hunting you if you were there!

Nogrod, your character was a bit too hard to interpret in this game. Though I'd like to thank you for it. Good thinking, Hunting and bluffing, thanks for the advice on it!

Boromir! Somehow I feel guilty, you didn't seem to get too much space in the narrations... Great Day 1! (Did you really not vote on Day 2, or did I mess things up?) See you in the next games!

Firithhyando, or may I say, Eomer. Very good playing! And I really liked how you signed your messages! Bad luck that

Kitanna caught Eomer so quickly! Wow! I hope you had fun Shading! Well played. Ah, too well played, have to change the role now...



And most of all I thank you, Kath! Without you I really really couldn't have done this! I'd have probably lost hope and quit the whole WW business if you had PMd that you don't want to help me. And of course that wasn't all, oh no it wasn't!

Except for the most important thing, discussing, you also taught me to write some things correctly and understandably, you wrote a great narration with ideas that I promise to use later, when I couldn't manage to do something because of time or other problems, you always answered the PMs with "Ok, I can do that", the chats during the game were not only amusing and funny, but also extremely encouraging!
Anyway, to cut the usual long text short: Great work! Thank you!

[Rikae]

Volo, that...totally rocked. :D

"If you want him, come and claim him" ....bwahahahaha....you even worked the knife into the story...BRAVO!!!!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

My apologies to Brinniel. She was my choice for the first kill. I thought she was behaving in a slightly gifted-ish way. The others told me that she always gets killed early but by that stage I was too bloodthirsty.

So hope you can forgive me. :Merisu:

[Kath]

Volo you're such a sweetheart. :D I think I'm blushing.

But hey, you're the one that came up with the idea. You guys should have seen the 10 odd pages he presented me with after asking me to help. He had this planned down to the letter right from the start. So kudos Volo! And I'm greatly looking forward to the sequel.

[Celuien]

The narrations were great, Volo! Wonderful game, everyone, if only for a day. :)

[Thinlómien]

I must say the final narration made me laugh a lot. :D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Question: Did I ever hit anyone with my knives? :rolleyes: I have the worst aim. XD

Loved the narration, though, Volo, thanks. :D

[Boromir88]

Sorry for being a bit late, but I've been busy lately and haven't really had much time.

So, here's a congradulations to Volo, Kath, and all fellow participants (The one's I've spent butting heads with in a countless amount of games plus all the new ones I've played with for the first time). It was great fun :D

I liked the new approach Volo, I think it turned out quite well. One thing I would suggest to change is not giving the lynch seer the # of votes the person received. That definitely was the strongest weapon for the village and put our wolves in a really tough situation. Other than that, I liked how this game played out with all the new roles and secretive voting.

(P.S. I'm pretty sure I voted on Day 2, but I might have forgotten. One of the days I was having computer issues, but I forget which one).

[Brinniel]

Brinniel, you too. You felt so excited in the discussion thread, I really thought that the Vampires did unfairly when they killed you *coughcough*. I hope this didn't send you away from WW! (I also really liked your character.)
My apologies to Brinniel. She was my choice for the first kill. I thought she was behaving in a slightly gifted-ish way. The others told me that she always gets killed early but by that stage I was too bloodthirsty.

Oh, you guys...don't worry about it....really. :Merisu:

I won't deny that it's been slightly frustrating, but this was more of my fault than anything. I really hated not being able to participate to my fullest on the first Day and I probably shouldn't have joined in the first place when I knew the game was beginning during my last week of school, but I couldn't resist (yes...I have a WW addiction...no need to remind me). :rolleyes:

Anyways, good game. It looks like it was lots of fun. :)

[Volo]

One thing I would suggest to change is not giving the lynch seer the # of votes the person received. That definitely was the strongest weapon for the village and put our wolves in a really tough situation.
Hmm... Would the Innocents have any chance if there is no # of votes given? That gives advantage both to baddies and goodies, after all, the Lynch Seer can be, and was, a baddie, twice.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm... Would the Innocents have any chance if there is no # of votes given? That gives advantage both to baddies and goodies, after all, the Lynch Seer can be, and was, a baddie, twice.
Yes, but one was a Cobbler who made only one "last shot" and it probably wouldn't turn good if the game continued, and the first one's lie eventually turned to his doom (though I must say it looked like quite a very strong blow to the innocents when it happened)... so I'm not sure...

[Volo]

Yes, but one was a Cobbler who made only one "last shot" and it probably wouldn't turn good if the game continued, and the first one's lie eventually turned to his doom (though I must say it looked like quite a very strong blow to the innocents when it happened)... so I'm not sure...
Yeah... True. But would they be Innocents be too overpowered if this was removed?

The Shade's goal is now to have the game last as long as possible (over 6 (?) Days).

[Gil-Galad]

My secret for this game, i imagined myself as a Leprechaun and you were all after my lucky charms...


thats basically it... don't know why i haven't thought of it sooner...