Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXXVI Game Thread

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The handsome man, tall, dashing, debonair, reaches across the slim gap between their mounts and takes his lady's hand in the cool evening air. She smiles happily up to him, absently wondering when they'll reach the small town to which they travel. He is a scholar, an old master of lost lore, and word has come to them of a forest village that carries a taint of uncertainty, some curse or superstition. Desiring to learn, he packed his belongings and bribed his beloved with soft kisses and sweet promises of a happily ever after. They had ridden with the break of dawn each day for many long days. Now they travel onward, just a few more miles from their destination.

He thinks of their last stop, a roadside establishment many miles behind them. He thinks of the grizzled old man and the grey haired woman by the fire.

"So sweet in these times of trouble to see young love..." the old woman cooed through her toothless gums. The young woman had smiled, feeling her husband's hand in hers, his fingers intertwined, keeping dangers of every sort far from her. She thanked the old woman quietly and sat to gossip quietly while her husband spoke with the old man.

From across the room she'd heard the old man's cry. "You cannot be meaning to take so fair and sweet a lass as yon to such a dark and feral land! It is no place for an innocent child such as her!"

"She is no child, grandfather." The man had replied. "Her mind is her own, and it is her choice to accompany me."

"Newfangled, that's what I call that." he had grumbled, mentioning his day and a time when women's minds were their husband's.

"We will continue onward." The man had said, smiling to his wife across the hall. Her brief concern had washed away with her husband's obvious happiness and certainty. She had turned her attention back to the old woman.

They had left some time later, well stocked and ready for the final hours of riding.

She leans across the space to kiss her husband and he tells her of her beauty and his undying love.

"What tale of these lands have we come to learn, my love?" she asks.

"Sorrow, mostly." he admits. "Beasts disguised as men, or men with beastly natures. I cannot be sure. But the rustic beliefs of the locals will surely be of interest."

"That they will, dearest."

The woods seem to close around them as the sun sets. From the trees they hear sounds. The man strings his bow and casually places an arrow on the taut string, letting his lady's hand fall.

"Show yourself!" he cries toward the trees. They hear laughter.

From between two elders comes a shape, human, though unidentifiable in the shadows.

"We seek a village. Can you help us?" he asks, placing himself between this dark stranger and his wife.

"You will not like our help."

From behind him, the man hears the scream of his beloved wife. While one werewolf distracted him, two had taken her. At the sound of her attack, he had turned; it was all the werewolf needed.

In bloody seconds it was over. Boromir88 and Fea lay side by side, clutching for each other's hands against the coming of dark cold pain. They knew this to be their end.

"I will meet you in our ever after, beloved..." he whispers to her, straining to brush away her tears. His blood pools faintly around him, dammed by the forest floor. Her flesh, though rent by claws and teeth, was still the most beautiful he had ever seen.

"Always, my dearest... I am always yours..." she coughs, before closing her eyes.

Watching from above them with wicked grins, the werewolves transform once more to humans, absently watching the life pour from the shells below them.

"Pity..." says one with no trace of pity audible, "It does look like we've ended young love so soon..."

"With love comes pain." says another sanctimoniously.

"We've saved them from their own nauseating story." laughs the third. "And to think... now ours truly begins."

---

The game runs as follows:

3 Wolves
1 Seer
# Ordos

23 hour Days and Nights, beginning at 10AM EST and ending at 9AM EST. Wolves and Seer should get their pick in by 9AM EST to give enough time to write a decent narration which will then be posted, unless interruptions arise, by 10AM EST. Any village votes posted after 9AM EST will be ignored.

No retractable votes. No edits for any reason, including to say you cross-posted or to fix spelling errors. If you need to say something else about your post, double post.

Basic rules about communication apply. If you're a wolf, you can only PM your fellow wolves at Night. Ordos can't chat amongst themselves excepting during Day times on the game thread. Anybody can PM the mods at all times.

Multiple lynchings are allowed.

All players are to remain invisible at all times during the duration of their game life. Once you're dead, you can turn back your visibility, but no ghost discussions with the living. Dead [wo]men tell no tales.

Players:

The Saucepan Man
Meneltarmacil
Lalwendë
the phantom
Brinniel
Holbytlass
Gil-Galad
Durelin
Shastanis Althreduin
Kath
Mithalwen
Legate of Amon Lanc
CaptainofDespair

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The werewolves prowl the woods throughout the night, careful to wake no sleeping villagers. Around the town they place traps, wolf pits of their own cunning make, and snares, and nefarious things of natures too foul to speak. All to make sure any who would defect will meet a swift end. The villagers will belong to the werewolves whether they stand bravely to fight the unknown threat, or whether they run to save themselves. The tallest werewolf flexes muscles, admiring its long, retractable claws. No uncontrolled monsters, these; the evil that marked them gave them power over their transformation: they are always in their right mind, though the rightness of those thoughts is certainly arguable. In the night, the world belongs to them, to act in as they wish. They can stay as humans do... but it was with their natures that the curse had been placed. None of these creatures of darkness has yet chosen not to partake of sinister dealings in the safety of shadow; it is doubtful that they will abstain from evil. They transform at will, once the moon has risen, but though the nature of their transformation - be it merely claws, or fully into the form of a wolf - is uncertain, that they become monsters was not. Monsters who crave violence. Damned souls with an addiction to pain.

One wolf, fairest of the lot, admires the glistening of moonlight on dew strewn leaves. The creature reaches out and slashes the living plant to mangled ribbons with a laugh.

As dawn approaches, they return to their beds with silent farewells, congratulating themselves on a night well spent surrounding the village, cutting off escape, keeping strangers away.

---

As the sun rises, the village meets by the well in what seems an almost ritualistic manner to the casual observer. Morning comes, and with it a need for water, fresh air, and gossip. The village had always met here, will always meet here. The wolves, human in form, smile. Perhaps not always.

One wolf speaks and the town listens, for this is a town of courtesy and turn-taking. When one speaks their words are heeded. The wolf says, "It has come to me in a dream that our village is in danger."

One amongst the many closes a pair of gifted eyes, wondering at the ability for two to dream of the same. This villager had spent a fitful night watching dreamt shadows close in.

The wolf continues. "I believe this dream to be prophetic. I believe there is a danger, an unseen danger. I believe the village must act, and swiftly."

With the concealed enemy's words, the village broke into paranoid whispers, eying each other with distrust.

One statement, one rumor passed by malicious silver tongue, and the village, so close, so trusting, became a den of activity. Nobody would lie to them, surely, therefore there must be a threat. There must be action.

They swiftly decided upon a course of action:

During the day, they would speak, they would present defenses and accusations. They would, in short, hold trials. Those found innocent would be spared (unless minds were subsequently changed). Those found guilty... would be killed.

And those suspected to weigh approximately the same amount as waterfowl would be unceremoniously tossed into the well, weighted and chained, for only a witch weighs so little.

---

Dawn has arrived. Day One begins. B88 and Fea have died on their way to learn the mysteries of this village. The wolves are cunning. The seer exists to help you. Ordinary villagers, luck be with you.

Begin!

[Holbytlass]

Most unfortunate for the heavyset because fat floats.

Has no one anything to say? We are here, some are lurking, something must be done.

I find suspicious at this time CaptainofDespair- anyone who delights in despair must be happy that we are in danger. Also, Legate of Amon Lanc -he has not embraced our village as he is always pointing out where he came from, no civil loyalty. Then there's Kath, I find anyone suspicious that won't give their full name. And of course, The Saucepan Man, for giving the whole village food poisoning!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Civil loyalty, Holbytlass? Well, I can ensure you that wherever I came from, my loyalty lies with this village, with its - innocent - inhabitants. Now where I agree with you about the one whose name signifies despair - we have no need of such folk - I won't be as suspecting the others. There's nothing strange on them on first sight, I shall wait for the second so to say, to see what their attitude is like.

I also may mention that if I am correct, there is some sort of phantom among us, which I also do not like. But let's wait and hear even him, maybe he is not as sneaky as he seems.

Hmm... what's the time? Well, quite good... let's not forget our sun sets, sort of, earlier than usual. Must be the northern region. Ah well, I know it will take hours before most of us have chance to speak their minds, so... au revoir.

[Mithalwen]

The cynic in me finds a certain ironic amusement in this antidote to the current glut of true romance in these parts but I hope we will be able to progress swiftly beyond the old first day pet tactics and theories...
Is anyone out there.....? Someone should declare they hate first days, another that they can be profitable. And in lieu of Nogrod someone should exhort us to talk ..well I guess that is me... now someone should suspect me for making a strange first post ..... I will leave it to Sauce to do a full checklist if he so wishes but reserve the right to suspect him, as per tradition, should it be necessary.....:rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Well alas I must leave soon and I will not be able to return until fairly close to the deadline. I am sorry that this is the case today but I hope there will be plenty of activity for me to digest swiftly on my return. Choose wisely!

[Gil-Galad]

a new day and its a sorrowfilled one... as always i preach on how the first day of voting is really band-wagoning and only makes someone sad, holbyt's suspiscion on 4 members already... that is a shocking move that gives her innocence so she does not strike me as a wolf... but we need more talking before anything can happen

[Durelin]

Why is it whenever people up and get torn apart by sharp claws and pointy teeth we just assume that there are three werewolves out to kill us all one by one through various means?

I mean, "the glass is half full" ring any bells with anyone?

Any of you.....twelve.... There're only thirteen of us?

Er...ten?

[Lalwendë]

The odds are already against us as we're more likely to lynch the innocent now than ever, and then during the night another of us will be devoured. I might be careful and try to spot who's using a strategy. It will be an opportunist one this first time I think - so it's not a time to leave any gaps in the group that a wolverine could slip through and take advantage of...

[Durelin]

Wow, Lal is so down-to-doom-and-gloom-business already? A little jumpy, pre-prepared to appear concerned and helpful, while still calm and reasonable?

I would really like to see a wolverine transformed into a human not wearing yellow and blue spandex, though, so...are you guys really out there?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Durelin is a wolf!

I remember her very well from how she acts like when she is a wolf. Hoping to cover it behind her generally chaotic-jumpy behavior, she is more chaotic-jumpy with malicious intents. You just see it on her.

Otherwise, Mith seems as normal to me. Gil-Galad is as always:
holbyt's suspiscion on 4 members already... that is a shocking move that gives her innocence so she does not strike me as a wolf...
I think holby was simply opening and it is pointless to search for her innocence or wolfishness from it. Unless her&Gil are partners and now Gil is making a sorta feeble attempt to defend her. Which would be Gillish, but generally not wise in this stage of game.

Lal's post I don't like - but maybe I don't just like Lal's style (in that case, sorry Lal, no offense ;) ); I have never played with her thus far, so... I will wait and make an image from her following posts.

That's about six of us... now let's see what happens when the rest come.

Btw I find it unlikely that there is not at least one wolf among those who have spoken till now... but that does not mean making our view just narrow like this, no no... we'll wait&see...

[Kath]

Quick question, does anyone know what time the deadline is in terms of GMT? Sauce? Lal? Mith? You're the English contingent here. :D

The odds are being calculated already it seems, but 10 to 3 doesn't seem bad to me. Though it's the first time I've played without a Ranger for a while, that's quite a scary thought - no protection!

Don't we have anyone in the village to go 'oh Day 1, where's the point?', I'm feeling nostalgic. Wish morm was here, could do with someone to randomly suspect for no reason.

I see Gil is being as confusing as ever. How is throwing accusations around on Day 1 a shocking move? Not to say that Holby isn't guilty though. 'Something must be done.' No kidding.

I'll be around for a while, let's hope everyone else pops up from wherever they're hiding.

[Durelin]

I love how ever since I've finally been a wolf everyone has a different theory of my *typical hiding-sinisterness-within* behavior.

You guys want me to be a wolf that badly? Do I really make that wonderful an antagonist?

I'm touched.

Oh, Kath, the deadline should be around 2:00 pm your time, I think.

[CaptainofDespair]

Holbytlass' suspicion of me is unwarranted! Where is the scientific evidence?!

Don't make me rain...despair?...upon the earth!

In any case, I am suspicious of Gil-Galad because he is no honest Abe!

[The Saucepan Man]

Quick question, does anyone know what time the deadline is in terms of GMT?Well, we started at 3pm BST (yes, apparently it’s summertime in Blighty, though you wouldn’t know it), so I guess that the sun sets an hour earlier the next Day at 2pm BST.

And of course, The Saucepan Man, for giving the whole village food poisoning!How rude! I sometimes don’t know why I bother cooking for the village. It’s not that bad is it, surely? :(

I will leave it to Sauce to do a full checklist if he so wishes but reserve the right to suspect him, as per tradition, should it be necessary.....You forgot the obligatory discussion of what to do with those who don’t talk much, whether ‘tis nobler to give ‘em a chance to speak up or better to hang ‘em high early on, while numbers still favour us, and so on and so forth.

Oh, and then there’s those who make the early, random accusations, swiftly followed by an eager willingness by someone else to accuse the accuser for doing so. I see that Holby and Gil have obliged us on that score. Although, in a dramatic twist, Gil speculates that Holby's accusations might suggest her innocence. Personally, I see nothing in them, one way or 't other.

Why is it whenever people up and get torn apart by sharp claws and pointy teeth we just assume that there are three werewolves out to kill us all one by one through various means?Er, I think that you were the first one to make that assumption. Are you perhaps the villager who claims to have received the prophetic dream? ;)

It would appear that Legate is convinced of your Wolfishness, although I must admit that I am somewhat intrigued by his bold accusation. I am not entirely sure how he is able to distinguish malicious Durelin chaotic-jumpy from normal Durelin chaotic-jumpy from two short posts. Her chaotic-jumpiness looks pretty normal to me.

I see Gil is being as confusing as ever. How is throwing accusations around on Day 1 a shocking move?To answer your second point first, I think that it depends upon the manner in which it is done. As I said, I saw nothing overly suspicious in Holby's opening gambit. But I am slightly suspicious when suspicion is cast on a traditionally easy target with scant justification in the opening skirmishes. Which is what you seem to have done here with Gil. And adding the disclaimer about Holby’s possible guilt strikes me as the kind of thing a Wolf might say too.

In any case, I am suspicious of Gil-Galad because he is no honest Abe!Hmm, another one heaping some early suspicion on Gil. Together with an outraged reaction to Holby’s baseless accusation. Perhaps the early mistrust of or despairing friend was not so wide of the mark after all.

Other than that, I am convinced that the phantom is a Werewolf. Then again, I always am. It’s a paranoia thing. :D

[Durelin]

Ah, SPaM. Good of you to spot my surreptitious tactics of normalcy.

I have to vote now due to work.

++Legate

Yes, a preemptive retaliatory vote! His appeal to supposed 'experience' does not sit well with me.

If both you and I live toMorrow, Legate, I'll make sure to have a nice, long analytical post for you that makes me seem involved, helpful, and Lawful Good.

[Brinniel]

Well, so far I can see Day 1 is going quite typically for me. Over midway through the Day and I have no idea who our wolves are. :rolleyes:

I'll be back to analyse and vote sometime tonight.

[Meneltarmacil]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....

Wha? Huh?

I thought it was still Night. Sorry about my late arrival.

OK, my thoughts:

Holbytlass: In-character accusations are often the sign of a Wolf, and she's been tossing out plenty of them. The very little she has said appears quite suspicious, but I'll need more evidence as she has only one post here.

Legate of Amon Lanc: His suspicion of Durelin for her randomness seems valid. However, he also makes in-character accusations. I'll wait and see what he does.

Mithalwen: Not enough was said to be certain of where her alliegiance lies.

Lalwendë: Only one post, which, like Holby and Mith, is not enough to establish anything. Seems okay for now though.

Durelin: I agree with Legate that her random comments are suspicious. It's a good way for a Wolf to talk enough to remain above the "flying under the radar" level but still contribute little. When her odd behavior was pointed out, she got extremely defensive, which makes me suspect her even more.

CaptainofDespair: Only one post, not enough to go on. What he does say is random, defensive against in-character stuff, and pretty unhelpful, though.

Gil-Galad: Claiming that Holby is innocent because of random suspicion-tossing? That doesn't sound well.

Kath: Seems innocent to me, nothing too suspicious has been coming from her direction.

The Saucepan Man: Typical Espiem behavior, sounds pretty reasonable.

Durelin seems the most suspicious right now.

[Meneltarmacil]

OK, since everyone else seems to be strangely quiet and I won't have much time after I wake up tomorrow, I'm voting now.

++Durelin

Her randomness, plus the way she gets extremely defensive about it afterward.

[Holbytlass]

Everyone's suspicious in my book, duh. I think Menel is jumping on Durelin a bit too quickly then again his reasoning is as good as it's going to get this first Day, though her self expressed retaliary vote for Legate seems a bit misplaced. Then again his crazy statement...

"Btw I find it unlikely that there is not at least one wolf among those who have spoken till now... but that does not mean making our view just narrow like this, no no... we'll wait&see..."

Now I think I know what he's trying to say but then with all the double negatives and what not it reminds me of Bilbo's quote "I like half of you..." and trying to figure out of it's an insult or not.

Urgh, why is that those who point fingers at those who point fingers first look to be the most suspicious?! (Menel)

Then again those cozying up and seeming agreeable could be wolves trying to attach themselves to innocents.(Gil)

O'course there's a slew of people who haven't spoken yet.

[Holbytlass]

It's so late (almost 3am) that I have to vote now 'cause I know I'll sleep in and miss the deadline.

++Menel

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Slew of people who haven't spoken yet... That'd be me, unfortunately. Had to work.

Oh well, remedying that now.

Holby - Suspicious of four people right off the bat, but I suspect that most of that is banter. Thinks Menel is suspicious for jumping on Durelin, but also thinks Durelin is suspicious for her retaliatory Legate-vote. She seems kinda innocent to me.

Legate - Mentions a phantom? -looks down- Oh, "the phantom". Ha ha. Is positive Durelin is a wolf due to her chaotic jumpy randomness, as compared to normal-Durelin-chaotic-jumpy-randomness. Is suspicious to me, but would a wolf speak out so loudly and boldly on the first day? Or is it a double bluff?

Mith - Revels in the death of romance! She must be a wolf! ...No, I kid. A couple of useless posts, though... Most likely due to timezones. I don't have a clear read on her yet.

Gil - ZOMGWOLF. Thinks Holby is extremely innocent with her quadruple-bantering-suspicions, which strikes me as odd.

Durelin - Couple of typical first day bantering posts. Definately not enough for me to conclude her wolfishness, as per Legate. I'll wait for more input from her.

Lal - States the obvious... twice. I hate to point it out, but her? post strikes me as moderately wolfish.

Kath - I see her one post as innocent-ish. Asks for help with times, laments the absence of a Ranger, suspects Holby, mocks Gil.

Cap - Overuses exclamation points!!! Is suspicious of Gil for being no "Honest Abe", intimating that Gil has lied at one point? What point? Gil's only made one post! Cap confuses me. If there was still a Cobbler in this game... :rolleyes:

Sauce - His long, analytical post seems innocent to me... of course, that could just be because I'm a sucker for long, analytical posts. :D Of course, I know well how good a Cobbler Sauce can be, so I can only imagine a full-on Wolfish Sauce...

Brinn - Makes a tiny "I'm here!" post. Nothing to go on so far.

Menel - Seconds Legate's suspicion of Durelin because of her jumpyness and apparent defensiveness. I personally don't see much in it; one vote can very easily turn into a bandwagon during the first day, as I know all too well (see last game). Also, does the same thing I'm doing with this post with the bolded-names-all-in-a-column-thing.

I'd just like to throw out for discussion a possible Menel - Legate wolf pair because of their odd, shared, based-on-randomness suspicion of Durelin.

And since I'll probably oversleep the deadline:

++Menel

[the phantom]

Bleh... sorry I'm late. I had a very busy day. And now it is 2 AM and I must get some sleep. Yes, you are understanding me correctly- what we have here is a quiet posting day from the phantom!!

I hope the shock doesn't kill you all.

Anyway, no one else is saying much either, so what kind of judgement can I possibly make at this point?

Answer: Bad

But here it goes anyway...hmm... let's see....

Holby, Gil, Brin, Legate- clearly innocent
Menel- totally a Werewolf
Durelin, Mith- maybe a Werewolf
SPM- Seer
the phantom- secret Cobbler
Captain, Shasta, Kath- I don't know
Lal- I don't care

Yes, yes, I think that clears things up rather nicely.

[the phantom]

Okay, I'm not going to be awake before the deadline, so I have to vote now, or not vote at all. Grrr... I hate voting early.

If no one had voted for Menel yet I'd do it, but at this point I don't want one person to run away with the vote. So, vote for Durelin, Legate, or someone new?

Not Legate. I've decided that much.

I must think.....

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, well! Since I'll be away for the DL, I'll probably have to vote early, now, which I don't like at all... I was hoping to dig more into someone else than Durelin, for example Menel has the typical wolfy "pre-hook a bandwagon" (jump on a bandwagon that he is expecting could be forming later). Also you cannot tell if his first post was written in a hurry, or if it's that he does not really know what to think, or if he is a wolf trying not to make much decided pose about anyone till the rest speak up their minds, for which he does not have time to wait.

Oh, SpM is here! What a terrible sight - one post and again, thaaat long. Hehe, why I get the funny feeling that he is hiding something? He reminds me more of that Peter Jackson-cobbler than the honest Espiem we all know. And as we don't have a cobbler, there is just one option what he could be... I am in temptation to vote for him, just for the fun of it (it's Day 1 and we could allow this). Hmm, now interesting idea that has struck me - normally I'd be reluctant to vote for SpM even if I had indeed strong suspicion, just because he is a good player and it would be a blow to lose him. Somewhat now, I am not concerned by this.

I see I am not the only one who thinks Menel's behavior does not seem all right... Hmm... let's not overreact, but, in any matter, I find it now unlikely that both Menel&Durelin could be wolves under these circumstances. At least something.

And Dury... Chaotic Evil as you seem, if you ever make it for Chaotic Neutral, I will drop the suspicion, because that's your normal behavior. What concerns me is that my suspicion got so easy support... actually, I was afraid that act like that may cause massive protest against me. Funny, as the thought of someone agreeing with me has planted doubts in me. Especially when that one is Menel.

Oh, no, I can't get myself confused; I have to stay focused. Vote coming soon...

If anyone wants anything to ask me, do it now - you have about 15 minutes from now,:rolleyes: then I vote and am gone for the rest of the day.

[the phantom]

++Durelin

There you go. I voted.

And Legate, don't start an SPM bandwagon, please. Not today anyway. If he dies, I want to make sure and have a hand in it! :p

Actually, I just want him alive because he owes me from the last village.

Yes you DO, Sauce! Stop arguing! You know it's true!
:D

And Werewolves- if you leave me alive during the nights I promise to be wrong about you as often as possible. No, seriously! Just let me know who you are and I'll help cover for you.

*silently hopes Werewolves are very stupid*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, I guess that's it. While I am tempted more than ever to vote SpM (just because there is that opportunity), let's be rationalistic. And it won't be even fun if I voted for him without a fight, even if it was a good thing to do.

So, after thinking it over again, my vote goes with my early suspect. Despite her retaliatory vote, that's exactly what she is capable to do when being a wolf. Durelin, if we both live till tomorrow, I hope we'll have many things to tell to each other. It was my pleasure,

++Durelin

Goodbye all, hold on, and may the Force be with us, said Harry Potter right before Glaurung's enchantment wore off and he realized that Ron is his sister.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, and in the light of everything I have a very good feeling about the phantom (quite contrary to how I feel on Menel). Unless he's just a tricky, too lucky wolf who happened to pick the "right horse" in me - but the fact that he posted almost the same as me in his last post (btw, which I crossposted with) makes me feel rather he has the same thinking independant on me.

That's really bye for now. Good luck.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Durelin: Legate (Legate 1)
Menel: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 1)
Holby: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 1, Menel 1)
Shasta: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 1, Menel 2)
Phantom: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 2, Menel 2)
Legate: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 2)

And there you have the first vote count of the game. This is precisely why I'm up at 4:40 in the morning.

No, actually, I just can't sleep.

[Lalwendë]

Hmm, suspicious of an attempt to form a pact here and hide it under a smokescreen when I see Durelin and Legate's votes for one another. Although this could in fact be quite risky on Durelin's outlook as Legate's vote has now increased Durelin's nominations...

Phantom doesn't want one person to run away with the vote and then a few posts later goes and votes for someone to even up the scores? A Phantom/Menel pact forming here? Who will emerge as the Blair and who as the Brown? ;) Why did Phantom pick Durelin over Legate? He is clearly 'running with the pack' to some extent at least...but I'll leave it there in case he's now fuming and sharpening his wolf teeth for me later.

[Brinniel]

Ah, well you beat me to posting the vote count, Shasta. :rolleyes:

While Durelin says some things that could raise eyebrows, making her an easy target, I don't quite get the feeling she is guilty just yet. Of course, this is only Day One, so won't completely disregard her...

Legate's confidence on Durelin's guilt is indeed a bit odd. Yet, I have my doubts that a wolf would be so bold, especially on Day One..

Menel raises my suspicion the most, mainly because he is so eager to jump on Durelin after Legate's comments. He tries to be helpful by being the first to use a player by player analysis, though this helpfulness could easily be a cover-up for his wolfishness..

As for the phantom, his indecisiveness then decision to vote Durelin does make me want to consider him. But then again, I have never played with him before, so I'd rather wait until toMorrow so I can hear more of what he has to say...

[Lalwendë]

Interesting...so, a possibility of a Menel/Legate pact? This would mean of course that Phantom could not possibly be the Bad Wolf as that would just be too bold, even for the ghostly one.

[Kath]

Ah thanks Durelin. In that case I'm going to have to vote now and won't be back before the deadline.

++MITH

It's always easiest to know what she is when she's put under pressure. Plus I don't actually have any suspects at the moment as most of the village is made up of people I notoriously find difficult to read.

[Brinniel]

Oh goodness...it's already past 5am my time and I haven't slept. Well, I'm certainly not waiting up any longer for the deadline, so I'm voting now.

++Menel

I admit that my suspicion isn't an entirely strong one, but he is my best suspect for now. But hey, it is Day One...we will be lucky if we manage to lynch a wolf. :rolleyes:

Anyways, if Menel is a wolf, then I don't think Legate is. I doubt as wolves they would openly support each other so early in the game. However, I could see the possibility of a Menel/Phantom pact...

[Lalwendë]

I dunno...this whole Legate/Menel/Durelin/Phantom thing...it just seems too convenient somehow.

Now the others... Kath seems honest enough. Wary of Holby, Shasta and Brin as they seem to be also in with the Quads above - course they could be being swept along like I have been, so I have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

That leaves Mith, Sauce, Gil and Captain as unknown quantities, free-radicals...

But where do I cast my rope?

[Mithalwen]

Eek not a lot of posts but it seems a bandwaggon.

Sauce, I ddi say I would leave you the full checklist ..... far more your kind of thing than mine....

Revels in the death of romance! She must be a wolf! ... ..no just bitter and twisted.... :p... I will aim to be less useless if I survive and if people could oblige by providing something for me to comment on...

I need to look at why Menel has gathered so much suspicion ... don't quite see why on first glimpse.......

[Mithalwen]

Ok I do see about Menel but I think he is just trying too hard .... Durelin I think is just being humorous. I will vote for neither .... but this is semi-random however for somehow is creeping me out.... and he said I seem "as normal"... hmmmph

++ Legate of Amon Lanc

[The Saucepan Man]

He reminds me more of that Peter Jackson-cobbler …Perhaps it’s the food poisoning reference. :D

Seriously, though, this is the kind of accusation that irritates me, along with things like “X doesn’t feel quite right” and “Y is coming across as shady”. Vague, unsubstantiated allegations which allow the person making them to cast suspicion without actually specifying a case. The kind of thing a Werewolf might do, in other words.

Actually, I just want him alive because he owes me from the last village.Eh? You mean the one where you tried to cheat by mis-spelling your votes? :p Anyway, as you know, I won that fair and square.

I am wary of the mini-bandwaggons that have formed against Durelin and Menel. Both villagers look to be behaving exactly as I would expect them. Admittedly, their normal behaviour can often bring them under early suspicion. But that’s precisely the kind of thing that I would expect a Wolf to use against them on Day 1.

There is one villager who is happily riding one of these badwaggons, while spurring the other on at the same time, and that is the Legate of Amon Lanc. He boldly accuses Durelin without any reasonable justification for doing so, briefs against Menel because his "behaviour doesn't seem all right", and casts vague, unspecified suspicions in my direction too. Would a Wolfish Legate be so bold on Day 1? Quite possibly, in my view. Anyway, in the absence of anything better to go on, and being short of time, he gets my vote toDay.

++ Legate of Amon Lanc

[The Saucepan Man]

Oh my, my vote crossed with Mithalwen's, and now we have a three-way tie. Someone break it quick ...

[Brinniel]

(Btw, I don't know why I'm awake :rolleyes:)

Psst...you guys just made a three-way tie. Lalwende, it's up to you. Choose carefully.

[Brinniel]

Two minutes...

This isn't looking good. If none of them are wolves, the death of three innocents at once will be devastating..

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Day has ended. Consequently: shh.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

"Am I really that evil looking?" asks Durelin sadly as the villagers lead her to the square. The deaths will occur one at a time, lest three werewolves have been captured and transform at the time of death. The village can protect itself from one attack at a time, but to have three attacking at once? And, of course... ladies first.

Legate and Menel are held bound within a home not far away. A pair of villagers guard them.

They hear the screams of Dury as she dies. They wonder if the village has caught a wolf; their deaths will not be in vain if they take the evil with them. They are willing to sacrifice their own blood, their own breath, for the sake of the many. Their guards lean forward and in their eyes, Legate sees cruelty.

"She was not a wolf, then, was she?" asks Menel.

"No." laughs the villager, grinning maliciously. "She was not."

"And I'm not..." whispers Legate.

"No." says the second guard. "You are not."

"We thank you." laughs the first guard. "You are giving your innocent lives for our cause. Nothing could have been orchestrated this beautifully, even if the village had tried."

"None of us..."

"No. None. All innocents. Beautiful, is it not? Perfect. A work of art."

The two damned souls begin to scream for aid. The two hidden wolves slit their throats before words can be formed. When the village comes to investigate, they explain that the prisoners had attacked. They'd had no choice but to act swiftly.

"We thought they were transforming, their shrieks were so crazed." explains one guard.

"But they were innocent..." mourns one villager.

"And so was she..." whispers another.

"We've killed three of our own..."

---

Dead:

Night One: Boromir88 (scholar) and Fea (wife)
Day One: Legate (innocent), Durelin (innocent), Menel (innocent)

Alive:

Brinniel
CaptainofDespair
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Lalwendë
Mithalwen
Shastanis Althreduin
the phantom
The Saucepan Man

---

Seer, dream. Wolves, kill.

Village, hush, but one question (rhetorical)... How did you let that happen? :eek:

[Boromir88]

Every villager (except the three that is) went to bed with troubled hearts. They had just lynched three of their own and knew that another would be dead by morning.

The villagers all sauntered back to their beds, three of them had trouble hiding their glee over their days work. And they couldn't wait until they would be able to openly express their joy.

As night went on all the villagers slowly dozed off to a restless sleep. Yet, unbeknownst to all of them, there were three who met in secret.

'Wow what a day' exclaimed one who was quite pleased. 'I mean I would have given 5 dollars to make sure all three of us made it through the first day. I would have paid 30 dollars to lynch three pathetic ilks during the day. But having the pleasure of seeing Legate's face when I slit his throat...priceless.'

'It's amazing what a bunch of paranoid, clueless, and leaderless villagers will do to eachother.' laughed another.

But the one who was the most level-headed of the pack wanted to make sure the two companions didn't lose focus.

'Tonight was a great victory for us. We could not have asked for a better Day. But don't get too fat just yet. There is still strength amongst these villagers, they may not have shown it yesterday but if they are actually able to unite together we're doomed.'

'Oh stop being such a pessimistic-Peter.' the wolf laughed at its own alliteration.

But the level-headed wolf was not amused. 'I'm being serious. We have business tonight, we need to choose our victim. And we really need to get this Seer out of the picture before it gets too much information. So who's it going to be?'

------------------

Meanwhile a villager, who was not so ordinary, was stirring in sleep. The villager suddenly woke startled from the dream. The villager had just acquired new information that may be of help to the beleagered innocents. But the villager also couldn't help but to fear someone was watching. Someones...or somethings...were on the hunt. All went dark and the villager, who had a special dream, remembered nothing else that night.

-----------------

As the village began waking up and one-by-one all met at the town center. They knew their woes from yesterday would only get worse, and once they noticed one of them was missing, their hearts sank even more.

'Brinniel!' cried one villager bowing her head.

Another villager who always tried to remain optimistic said 'Well, maybe she just overslept. You know that happens.' But even he was not convinced by this.

The entire village made their way to Brinniel's house and were horrified, but not surprised, at what they found. Brinniel lie on her bed, her throat was cut, and a pillow laid over her head. She was innocent, and she never had the chance to put up a fight.

One brave villager walked up and removed the pillow. 'Dead.' He exclaimed.
There were some mutters of 'Thanks Captain Obvious.'

'Well at least she went out in her sleep, peacefully, not being tortured at the sight of her attackers.' said another villager.

And with that the village made their way back to the town center in hopes of putting the awful first day behind them, and turning their fortunes around starting now.

---------------------

Dead

Night One: Boromir88 (scholar) and Fea (wife)
Day One: Legate (innocent), Durelin (innocent), Menel (innocent)
Night Two: Brinniel (innocent)

Alive

CaptainofDespair
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Lalwendë
Mithalwen
Shastanis Althreduin
the phantom
The Saucepan Man

-----

Allright, Day 2 has begun. You all know what to do. And let's try to avoid a triple lynching this time. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

You've got to be kidding.

A triple lynching!!

So, what, everyone decided they wanted to spot the WWs two free days of work?

That's why I hate voting early- cause then I'm not around to control things at the end. I'm not doing that again. I'm going to wake up an hour earlier than usual just so I can vote at the end. I hope you're happy about making me lose sleep.

I wish I really was the Cobbler. Then I could just laugh about this.

Should we lynch Lal as a penalty for not voting and thus allowing the triple lynch? I was planning on letting Lal stick around in this game and defending her all the time just because I've never had the chance to play with her before, but I'm not sure I can hold to that resolve now.

Here is the voting from yesterday.

Durelin for Legate
Menel for Durelin
Holby for Menel
Shasta for Menel (2)
phantom for Durelin (2)
Legate for Durelin (3)
Kath for Mith
Brin for Menel (3)
Mith for Legate (2)
SPM for Legate (3)

[the phantom]

Hey, at least there is a silver lining, folks. If we do another triple lynch today we can go down in WW history as participants in the SHORTEST GAME EVER!!

Let's do it!

[Mithalwen]

I am here and will stay for awhile butI am going to have to go and not return due to access problems. Mind you after yesterday's fiasco an early vote from me is probably no bad thing.
:(

[The Saucepan Man]

What a complete mess! I am sorry for my part in it, but I has to vote when I did, as I had to rush off to a meeting. But even after my cross-post with Mithalwen, it wouldn't have happened had one of the three who didn't vote bothered to do so. Lal has explained in the Admin thread why she missed voting (although it seems from what she said that she wouldn't have broken the three-way tie anyway), but I am somewhat suspicious of the no-votes from Gil and CoD. If one of them is a Wolf and was around at the time, all they had to do was sit back silently and watch the car crash happen.

That's why I hate voting early- cause then I'm not around to control things at the end. I'm not doing that again. I'm going to wake up an hour earlier than usual just so I can vote at the end. I was thinking much the same, but if we all hold our vote 'til the very end then chaos could ensue once more. Those of us around at the end (and I plan to be) must make sure that we avoid cross-voting.

Let's do it!No, let's not ... :rolleyes:

So, why Brinniel? She was fairly quiet, but then most of us were. I can't see anything to suggest that she might have been the Seer, but it's worth looking at who she suspected. She didn't make any strong accusations, but the names that she mentioned were Menel, Legate, Durelin and the phantom. The phantom is the only one of those still alive so, on the face of it, her death points to him. However, I wonder whether the phantom would be that clumsy. If anything, I suspect that it may have been an attempt to frame him. Then again, I am slightly wary of his vote yesterDay, so I am most certainly not crossing him off my list. A phantom Wolf is a dangerous thing indeed.

My thoughts on the voting coming up.

[Mithalwen]

For the record I wasn't "holding my vote" , It was just that due to sleep and work it was either vote after about 2 posts or at lunchtime the next day. I am afraid that in the very limited time I had that I hadn't correctly grasped the situation - I thought voting was finishing at 3 our time and that Menel was a vote ahead of Dury and so the multiple lynch thing hadn't occurred. The full horror of the situation only became clear to me too late. I really didn't think Menel or Dury were guilty but obviously it wouldhave been better to lose just the one..... :(

[The Saucepan Man]

Durelin: Legate (Legate 1)
Menel: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 1)
Holby: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 1, Menel 1)
Shasta: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 1, Menel 2)
Phantom: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 2, Menel 2)
Legate: Durelin (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 2)
Kath: Mithalwen (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 2, Mithalwen 1)
Brinniel: Menel (Legate 1, Durelin 3, Menel 3, Mithalwen 1)
Mithalwen: Legate (Legate 2, Durelin 3, Menel 3, Mithalwen 1)
SpM: Legate (Legate 3, Durelin 3, Menel 3, Mithalwen 1)

Did not vote: Lalwende, Gil-Galad, Captain of Despair

I was suspicious of the Durelin and Menel bandwagons yesterDay and I remain so, as they gathered pace quickly and relatively early on. As I said, the phantom’s vote for Durelin, which put her level on 2 votes with Menel, looks rather suspiciously random for him and, given that he is the only Durelin voter still with us, I do have some concerns about him, and not just the paranoid ones that I always have when playing with him.

I suspect that there was one Wolf, but no more, among the Menel voters. Brinniel is dead, so that leaves Holby and Shasta. At the time both of them voted, there had, I think, already been a fair amount of suspicion cast in Menel's direction. I would like to hear more from both of them, but unfortunately it appears that Holby will not be with us toDay.

If there was a Wolf among those who voted for Legate, then it has to be Mith, as Durelin is dead and I am innocent. So far, however, Mith doesn’t strike me as Wolfish.

Other than the no-voters, the only person not to vote for one of those lynched was Kath. Her vote for Mithalwen, who had very little prospect of being lynched, was a very safe vote. Kath is therefore high in my suspicions at the moment, although it seems that she too may not be around much toDay.

Finally, we have the no-voters. There could well be a Wolf there, particularly given the consequences of their no-votes. As I said, Lal has given an explanation on the game thread, and we have to believe her on that, although it doesn‘t follow that she is innocent. As for Gil and CoD, there is little to go on, so it would be nice to hear more from them toDay too.

So, on the basis of the voting, I am most suspicious of Kath, and I think that there may well be a Wolf in each of the Holby/Shasta and Gil/CoD duos. Other than that, I have some concerns about the phantom and Lal, but currently think Mith more likely innocent than not.

It's still early Days though (provided we don't mess up again toDay).

[Mithalwen]

I am inclined to agree that there is likely to be a wolf in the non voters - why would they spoil a perfect situation? I need to have a serious read through. Need to check something...

[the phantom]

I'm looking through the posts of each living person one at a time. I've finished looking at Brin though, and I don't see anything at all that would send up a Seer-flag in the mind of a WW.

Very odd.

I'll be back in a bit.

[Mithalwen]

If we are draging up Fea's last village .... you might say you won fair and square Sauce but that doesn't change the fact that I was right......:cool:

As for Brin ... my guess is that the wolves chose someone who hadn't attracted much suspicion either by words or vote.

I don't see anyone suggesting that they are gifted and no wolf pack is going to kill an innocent Gil during the night unless he had revealed himself as gifted . There is always too good a chance of getting him lynched.

[Lalwendë]

You can blame the Daily Mail and their OTT reporting of policies for me not voting - you can blame them for a lot of things no doubt, but you can blame them for that. I'm still annoyed now...:mad:

I wasn't going to vote for anyone on that pack anyway - however I can't honestly say that had I managed to get back to my desk on time that I wouldn't have changed my mind seeing a triple lynch coming up. There you go - it's up to you if you choose to punish me for it. I personally don't think you should.

Anyway, I want to know about Gil and Captain. Why didn't they vote?

As for the voting pattern, Shasta jumped in at a very 'safe' point there. That's odd to me.

Kath didn't raise my hackles there too much - it's reasonable for a psychologist to want to 'test' someone ;) Unless she's in league with Mith of course. But then the point at which Sauce jumps in and votes would be more suspicious than the point at which Mith does it. Unless Mith, Sauce & Kath are in cahoots - and I don't think Mith and Sauce mention each other too much...

Phantom foxes me right now...as does Holby.

[Mithalwen]

OK I have little time lesft so I must decide soon. Right there are nine of us left 3 wolves one seer.

Brinniel was one of the higher posting players yesterday with 5 posts. Some were short but she maintained a good presence. I don't know if Fea actively picked the wolves but if this is classic ww should there not be Loud, quiet and flying under the radar wolf?

Of course there might be 3 quiet/inexperienced or three legends but ..... from my perspective (and I am innocent btw), there are TP, SpM and Kath who are legendary and tricksy in various ways. Holby who I have played with seldom but who has a fearsome reputation. Lal who was a wolf the only time we met and I am strugling to avoid prejudice based on this.

Shasta I have played with but not enough to read with any confidence, Gil who is always baffling but occasionally touched by genius and CoD an unknown quantity as far as WW goes but I know he can spin a fine yarn.

My guess is 1 wolf among hte last 3 and 2 from the others but of course this is one of those instinctive judgements that Sauce will probably find annoying ;)

Kath has been quiet, I can't make head nor tail of Lal's first post and in her second she started a commentary on others behaviour without actually contributing which can be a wolf trick... or it could have been because there was little else to do. No vote was concerning.

Holby I find most suspicious at the moment. Her list could have just been a "fishing trip" but it could have been a way of mentioning folk in a way that might be discounted... . So have to go but I am sorry for picking an absentee - a cheap shot but my best for now. Good luck.

++ Holbytlass

[the phantom]

I've almost finished my look at everyone. Unfortunately, I have a little errand that will not wait.

I'll say this much right now- from what I've reread, there were other individuals who looked liked the Seer much much more than Brin did. But naturally I'm not going to discuss who my Seer suspects are.

I'll be back within two hours, this time to post actual information.

[CaptainofDespair]

Oh my...

Well, I do apologize for not voting. It might have actually done something (which is to say, it usually does nothing), like prevent a triple lynching. I was unable to vote when I could have, as Saucepan Man was the last person to post (which came right after my only one) and I thus had absolutely nothing to go on. Work then called (after a good sleep), leaving me occupied until 4pm EST the next day.

It would have been unwise to just throw a vote out there...

In any case, I will try to be more helpful today, if possible.

Brinniel's death does not provide any answers, or even a hint to those answers at the moment. It seems rather...random? She did not exhibit much that would lead her to be a target in my mind. And so it appears to be more of a shot in the dark, so to speak, than anything else.

And I cannot decipher any wolf-ish behavior out of what occurred during the time leading up to the triple lynching. Perhaps hindsight makes it seem more like human error than it is, but having not been present I cannot "feel" anything within the posts. Since this Day is a weekend, I am free and should be able to participate more to the extent that I can be in "the moment" and thus pick up on intangibles that are lost after the fact.

[the phantom]

All right, I'm back.

HOLBY
Vote choice and timing: not wolfish
Posts: 3, 20, 21
Feel: Post 20 makes me slightly uncomfortable, but the others are fine.

MITH
Vote choice and timing: slightly wolfish
Posts: 5, 6, 36, 37
Feel: Nothing in her posts sets off alarms. She's playing well.

GIL
Vote choice and timing: no vote
Posts: 7
Feel: There's not much to go on.

LAL
Vote choice and timing: no vote
Posts: 9, 30, 32, 35
Feel: Posts 9 and 30 rub me the wrong way, and I don't like her non-vote.

KATH
Vote choice and timing: slightly wolfish
Posts: 12, 33
Feel: I'm not getting a feel for her, and it bothers me.

CAP
Vote choice and timing: no vote
Posts: 14
Feel: He does not make me particularly suspicious. But we don't have much info.

SPM
Vote choice and timing: slightly wolfish
Posts: 15, 38, 39
Feel: He is not coming across as innocent or guilty to me. Hmm...

SHASTA
Vote choice and timing: slightly wolfish
Posts: 22, 29
Feel: His list reminds me of Boro, Ang, and me while Werewolfing.

TP
Vote choice and timing: slightly wolfish
Posts: 23, 24, 25
Feel: He was quiet yesterday, but then so was everyone else.

My leanings....

I won't vote for the phantom (duh!).

I don't want to vote for Mith, Kath, Gil, or Cap at this time.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hmm.

I'll put out there that at this time I'm most suspicious of Kath, who put in a throwaway vote for Mith when the Menel and Durelin bandwagons were already going strong. I'm also suspicious of all the non-voters... but, oddly enough, not so much Lal, as I understand where she's coming from. I myself have to go to work in... ten minutes. I'll be back before the deadline though, and cast my vote then.

Another oddity before I go...

'Oh stop being such a pessimistic-Peter.' the wolf laughed at its own alliteration.

It's probably nothing, but I could construe that to mean Peter Jackson... aka Sauce.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It's probably nothing, but I could construe that to mean Peter Jackson... aka Sauce.

The narration of this game does not hold clues.

Would it be cruel and unnecessary manipulation to add 'at least nothing that transparent'?

[Lalwendë]

I have a suspicion about who the Seer might be but I don't think I ought to say this outright in case the wolves pick them up. But they have brought something up which makes me think one of the non-voters is indeed a Wolf.

Still not suspicious of Kath, in contrast to what Shasta says, I reckon why would a wolf go for such an obvious choice of a throwaway vote? I don't think that's Kath's wolfing style - but then I'll leave that thought with you more experienced folk and see what you guys think of her. Not suspicious of Mith either. Which also rules out Sauce for me right now. Much as I disagree with Shasta above, there's nowt fishy there either.

Which leaves me with Captain, Gil, Phantom and Holby. Two of those are of course non-voters - so I reckon we must have a combo of either Captain/Gil/Phantom or Holby or a combo of Captain or Gil/Phantom/Holby.

[CaptainofDespair]

Hmm.

I'm also suspicious of all the non-voters... but, oddly enough, not so much Lal, as I understand where she's coming from. I myself have to go to work in... ten minutes. I'll be back before the deadline though, and cast my vote then.

It's probably nothing, but I could construe that to mean Peter Jackson... aka Sauce.

How can that be construed that way? Perhaps I'm missing some insider information. But it is not important, as any thing that needs to be twisted for something to be made of it is worthless.

Moving on.

Now, how can you be suspicious of me (another non-voter) and not Lal? My reasoning is quite similar, as I have to get up very early for work and cannot thus be counted on to vote if nothing is really going on when I leave the forums for the night.

I think you have a terrible double standard there, and you may have garnered some suspicion from me. In accepting Lal's explanation as reason to diminish or dismiss suspicion, and not my own, you have potentially set yourself up as a wolf cohort of Lal, should she be one.

However, I do not think Lal is a wolf, but you are certainly on my radar now, Shastanis. There could be other reasoning for your lack of Lal suspicion, but I have yet to see an explanation that will suffice.

[Boromir88]

Aye as Fea said there are no clues to be found in the narration...that was just me having fun with an inside joke. Instead of saying the popular 'debbie downer', a couple friends have used different ones...like 'pessimistic-Peter' 'negative-Nancy' and 'sadistic-Scotty' to name a few.

[the phantom]

Yeesh, this village is quiet. Painfully quiet. When people don't open their mouths much it's more difficult to get a read.

Unfortunately I can't generate much noise myself due to my schedule. Bah.

I'll be back before the deadline to make sure we don't cut our time down by two days again with a triple lynch.

[the phantom]

FYI- the people that I said I didn't want to vote for... I never said I didn't suspect any of them. I just don't want to kill them today for one reason or another.

[Gil-Galad]

i amdit to quietness... well forgetfullness mostly... and i tempted by phantoms record breaking WW game

++Boromir88

let us begin the random lynchings!!!

[CaptainofDespair]

Well instead of missing the voting deadline once more, I think I'll make an early vote just to be on the safe side just in case something comes up (which according to information I have it is likely).

Due to this uneasy quiet, I don't think I'll get much more out of today's discussion. So, my vote goes to:

++Shastanis

Be aware that this vote is not out of any conviction I have that Shantanis is a wolf. Rather, I am unable to get any reads on anyone else and as such must simply go after the only one I have had any feelings about.

Edit: Well, I've cross posted with Gil. And his insanity reveals itself. I am...perplexed...to say the least.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Er, Boro is.... one of the hosts. o.O

Aaanyway, this is exactly what happened in my last game, and the game before that, and the game before that, because I didn't see someone's explanation of their actions. Honestly, it's getting irritating.

I'll be on for a bit, so I'll hold my vote. Still probably going to vote Kath though.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Uhm. Gone past five in the morning, and no one's posted since my last post... I'm going to bed. When I wake up, the deadline will be past, probably.

++Kath

[Lalwendë]

Hmmm, I think I still stand by what I was beginning to think last night.

Although Captain has got me thinking with the suspicion over what Shasta said. That was odd, very odd indeed.

[Lalwendë]

On the other hand, why would a non-voter be a wolf? There'd be nothing quite so obviously fishy after all as not voting, and of course the wolves would be more determined than anyone to get votes in and get innocents lynched...Who's picking up on this non-voting being fishy? It would be very opportunist of them.

I'm going to stick with my suspicions and make a bold choice. If anything, it might give me an idea of how he reacts as I have not played with him before.

++Phantom

:eek:

[The Saucepan Man]

My goodness, it’s quiet around here. Which is to be expected, to a degree, in such a small village. But what concerns me more is not the relatively few number of posts, but the alarming lack of serious analysis.

The phantom, too, bemoans the quietness, but seems to be doing little to rectify the situation himself, Indeed, as far as I can see, he has done little himself to further the village’s cause. Although, to be fair, he has provided us with a list of people who he thinks might or might not be guilty, but who he will not vote for toDay. :rolleyes: I am not ready to vote for him yet, as he is too valuable if innocent, but he is doing nothing to allay my concerns over him.

While I am still highly suspicious of Kath’s ‘safe’ vote yesterDay, I am not going to vote for her toDay, as she has not been around, so there is nothing more to go on. I will not vote for Holby toDay, for the same reason.

Gil’s vote for one of the Mods is an eye-opener, and no mistake. It’s the sort of thing an innocent but disengaged Gil might do. But I would not put it past a Wolfish Gil to do it as a diversionary tactic, knowing that people will probably put it down to Gil just being Gil. It might even have been something that was planned overNight. Other than that and the no-vote, there’s not a lot to go on with him, but that’s pretty much the norm with Gil, and it’s a perennial problem. Although perhaps his unprovoked show of aggression against the almighty Mods, will earn him a blast of Modfire from above. :D

This little spat between Shasta and CoD has me thinking. I can understand CoD’s grievance, since Shasta does seem to be applying different standards to him and to Lal, and he doesn’t explain it. CoD himself is still suspicious for his no-vote yesterDay, but I can see some basis for a Shasta/Lal alliance here.

Which brings me to Lal. Having looked back over her contributions to our discussions, it does strike me that she has been very careful in what she has said. Her opening posts yesterDay were the type that look helpful on first appearance, but actually say very little. And throughout, she has given very little away about her thoughts and been alarmingly cagy about her suspicions. Her vote for the phantom came practically out of nowhere and, while I do have concerns about him myself, I don’t see nearly enough to warrant a vote.

The way that I am currently thinking, I am likely to vote for either Shasta or Lal toDay.

[The Saucepan Man]

On the subject of Lal, this caught my interest:

I wasn't going to vote for anyone on that pack anyway - however I can't honestly say that had I managed to get back to my desk on time that I wouldn't have changed my mind seeing a triple lynch coming up. There you go - it's up to you if you choose to punish me for it. I personally don't think you should.So she is effectively saying that, had she voted, she wouldn’t have broken the triple-tie anyway. On the face of it, this could be taken as an indication of innocence. After all, what Wolf would be so foolish as to say such an incriminating thing? But Lal’s not shtoopid. It’s quite possible that she said this precisely to give that effect.

Then there’s this:

But then the point at which Sauce jumps in and votes would be more suspicious than the point at which Mith does it. I don’t understand this at all. Mith and I voted at almost exactly the same time, so how can my vote be more suspicious than hers? Taken with Shasta’s ridiculous point about ‘pessimistic-Peter’, it makes me wonder whether there might be some subtle combined attempt to sow some seeds of suspicion against me here.

I don’t like this either:

I have a suspicion about who the Seer might be but I don't think I ought to say this outright in case the wolves pick them up. But they have brought something up which makes me think one of the non-voters is indeed a Wolf.Lal is very careful to make ckear that she doesn’t want to say outright who she thinks the Seer might be, yet seems to be giving clues as to what she is talking about. Possibly a coded message to her fellow Wolves as to her thinking?

I am becoming increasingly concerned that Shasta and Lal are aligned in Wolfishness. Currently, I am veering more towards Lal as she looks the more suspicious to me. Like the phantom, I didn’t really want to vote for her unless I had to, as I have never played with her before. But we could really do with bagging a Wolf toDay, so I might just have to put sentiment aside here.

[The Saucepan Man]

Mithalwen: Holby (Holby 1)
Gil: Boromir88! (Holby 1)
CaptainofDespair: Shasta (Holby 1, Shasta 1)
Shasta: Kath (Holby 1, Shasta 1, Kath 1)
Lal: phantom (Holby 1, Shasta 1, Kath 1, phantom 1)

Yet to vote: Kath, Holby, SpM, phantom

With Kath and Holby unlikely to vote toDay, that just leaves the phantom and me. Phantom, are you around? It would be helpful to have an indication as to how you are thinking so that we can avoid another voting fiasco.

[the phantom]

Yes, I'm here. Just woke up.

Out of the people who already have votes, Shasta and Holby are the only ones I could bring myself to vote for today.

I might want to pick someone new, though. Like Lal....

[The Saucepan Man]

As I said, I could vote for either Lal or Shasta. I would prefer not to vote for Holby as there is so little to go on, and she hasn't been around toDay.

[the phantom]

On the other hand, why would a non-voter be a wolf? There'd be nothing quite so obviously fishy after all as not voting, and of course the wolves would be more determined than anyone to get votes in and get innocents lynched...Who's picking up on this non-voting being fishy? It would be very opportunist of them.
I'm not understanding you.

What's wrong with being a bit fishy and not voting if it yields the deaths of three innocents. That's an excellent trade off if you ask me.

You said yesterday that Wolves would be "opportunist", and look who was very opportunist yesterday- you!

[the phantom]

Or we could just not vote at all and have a quadruple lynch. That would be record setting, right?

I'm all for making history.

[the phantom]

Heh heh... are you a WW Sauce, and one of your pals is in line to be lynched so you are looking to save them?;)

[The Saucepan Man]

That ain't gonna happen.

Looks like I am going to have to vote for Shasta here to be safe.

[the phantom]

Let's make this fun.

++Lal

Toodles, everyone.

[The Saucepan Man]

That was a reply to your previous post, by the way.

No, I am not a Werewolf, and I most certainly do not want a quadruple lynch.

++SHASTANIS ALTHREDUIN

[The Saucepan Man]

:rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Voting is closed Shasta is dead and an innocent. Narration will be up later today.

Seer dream. Wolves kill. Ordinary's quiet.

[the phantom]

:d

[Boromir88]

Here's the narration...I'll just stick it after tp's...umm face. :D

-----------------

'So who's it going to be?' asked Mithalwen. 'It seems like today has gone exactly like yesterday.'

'I say we lynch Boro' said Gil-galad.

'But Boro's dead.' replied Shasta.

'Don't forget the two people we're dealing with here.' said Gil. 'Anything is possible with those two.'

'How about we check the body make sure it's still there?' said Captain thoughtfully.

'It's probably a fake' grunted Gil. 'I say we lynch him again just to make sure.'

'But they said this was a straightforward village. No funny business this time.' said Lal.

'Do you really believe everything they tell you?'

'Ok, lets not start bickering about whether Fea and Boro were telling us the truth' chimed in Holby. 'We got to figure out who it's going to be so we don't lynch three people this time.'

'Well we failed to catch a wolf by sending three to the gibbet yesterday. So I'm going to vote for Lal and say we send five today. We'll have a better chance with five lynchees.' phantom said in what seemed to be witty sarcasm.

'Or not.' said Sauce. 'I say Shasta.'

The majority nodded their head in agreement that it would be Shasta who would go to the noose today.

'This isn't going to do you any good.' cried Shasta. 'I'm not a wolf, I tell you.'

'Ya, ya, tell it to the judge.' said Kath who walked Shasta up and put the rope around his neck.

Shasta fell through the trap door on the platform and his neck broke instantly. The villagers looked on, but no transformation took place. Shasta was innocent and there were still three who had a grin from ear-to-ear.

------------------

Dead

Night One: Boromir88 (scholar) and Fea (wife)
Day One: Legate (innocent), Durelin (innocent), Menel (innocent)
Night Two: Brinniel (innocent)
Day Two: Shasta (innocent)

Alive

CaptainofDespair
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Lalwendë
Mithalwen
the phantom
The Saucepan Man

-----------------

Night three.

Seer dream. Wolves kill. Ords queit.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Dawn once more, and the first villager to the square is CaptainofDespair, always an early riser, and convenient in an alphebetical sort of way.

He sits with his back against the stone well, watching the front doors of each small house open, close, and disappear behind the nearing villagers who emerge from them.

Gil-Galad joins him first, muttering about Nazgul in the village graveyard. "Undead Riders, I tell you! Enslaved far into the afterlife by means of enchanted jewelry!"

"You're wrong." interrupts Holby gently. "The travellers we found were bound, but in a different way than rumors amongst Elves and Wizards tell of Nazgul:

"Two Rings to rule them both, two rings to find them. Two rings to haunt them beyond life and neatly bind them. In the land of Marriage, where heavy years do lie."

"So you think," asks Kath, "that they do not haunt us?"

"I think not." says Holby quietly. "I think they spend the afterlife quietly together, bound eternally by their love."

Mithalwen sips tea, pondering the bodies they had found so recently. "What do you think they wanted with our village?"

The phantom laughs. "Isn't it obvious? They were coming to worship me."

Saucie raises a single eyebrow. "I believe we're missing one of our fellows."

Indeed, Lalwendë has not joined their morning well-meeting. When they search her house, there is no sign of struggle. Her bed is neatly made with a cat curled up upon it. Her gardens are immaculate.

Suddenly Mithalwen turns away, dead white. The crows which Lal had so often complained of frolicking amongst her produce perch at bay upon the crest of her roof. A new scarecrow has been erected amongst her tomatoes, fertilizing them with dripping blood. Lalwendë has been found, and found innocent.

---

Dead

Night One: Boromir88 (scholar) and Fea (wife)
Day One: Legate (innocent), Durelin (innocent), Menel (innocent)
Night Two: Brinniel (innocent)
Day Two: Shasta (innocent)
Night Two: Lalwendë (innocent)

Alive

CaptainofDespair
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Mithalwen
the phantom
The Saucepan Man

---

Hey villagers, you're going to want to be right today... ;)

[Holbytlass]

There are seven of us left, as we all know we HAVE to lynch a wolf or all is lost. Therefore I can't wait to see if we might lynch one;
I am the seer. I dreamt of The SaucePan Man last night in hopes of knowing I had a strong ally to get in touch with, not this time, he is a wolf.
I'm sorry I have no further information for the village because Legate and Brinniel were my other dreams and they are dead.

SaucePan Wolf
Day1
15) supports Duerlin (dead); susp of Kath; questions CoD; joking susp Phantom
38) susp Legate(dead); susp of bandwagon against Duerlin(dead) and Menel(dead); votes Legate(dead)
39)wants 3-way tie broke
DAY2
48)susp of Lal, Gil, CoD for no votes; suggests that Brinniel's death is a frame-up of The Phantom
50)susp still of Durelin and Menel bandwagon voters; susp of Phantom's vote; defends Mith; susp of Kath
72) concerned of Phantom;susp of Kath and Holby but won't vote cause they're not here; susp of a Shasta(dead)/Lal alliance;still susp of CoD for no vote
73)susp of Shasta(dead)/Lal alliance,says they are working to throw suspicion his way
74)voting tally;wants to talk to Phantom to avoid another multiple lynching
76)talking to Phantom- wants to vote either Lal or Shasta(dead), not Holby
80)won't let another multiple lynching happen;says will vote Shasta(dead)
82)votes Shasta(dead)

This is just a quick summary, I expect that there will be more indepth annalysis. On the whole, SpM is ever the helpful one. He is suspicious of everyone. Except SpM barely touches Gil and even defends Mith a few times in a nonchalant sort of way that actually gets my spidey-senses tingling.

He was wrong (of course) about the a Shasta/Lal alliance, unless it's a huge orchestrated plot that a wolfLal aligns herself with an innocent then starts to manuever their suspicion against SpM-but the true innocent(Shasta) gets lynched, too much for me but could be done, but too many factors to go awry so I'm thinking Lal is innocent.

Then there's the SpM/Phantom "alliance". I'm not saying they are in cahoots together as they usually, good or bad, use each other as soundboards-the only thing is that SpM is just enough suspicious of Phantom as not to seem to be exactly working together.

SpM really, really suspects Kath, maybe a wolf to wolf thing

++The SaucePan Man

[the phantom]

Where's Sauce?

Isn't now the time that he's supposed to show up and say "No, I'm the Seer! Holby must be a WW trying to dupe us!"

:D

Anyway, I'll be back in a bit.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I am so rubbish - sorry Holby ..... not only do I fail to find a wolf but I vote for the seer ....

Need to look back with this information but I have little hope of providing much insight on current form...

[the phantom]

The phantom is the only one of those still alive so, on the face of it, her (Brin) death points to him. However, I wonder whether the phantom would be that clumsy. If anything, I suspect that it may have been an attempt to frame him.
SPM said that yesterday about Brin's death.

And look at last night's death- Lal. It would seem that the same could be said of her. After all, she voted for me, and I voted for her last minute. And with Lal dead, we have absolute proof now that I am a Werewolf and was attempting to toss another innocent onto the fire. Very interesting. That sounds like something SPM would do to me. Don't you just love him? :cool:

I don't think SPM believed Lal was the Seer, mainly because I did not believe she was, and I don't imagine Sauce's thinking would be much different than mine. But then maybe I'm wrong, in which case we need to carefully examine everything Lal said in case she was indeed pegged as the Seer.

Personally, though, I don't think the WWs felt the need to go for the Seer. All they had to do was create a Daytime situation in which at least one innocent would vote incorrectly, and viola- game over.

Assuming that Holby is telling the truth, that's really tough luck that both of her other dreams are dead. Drat.

I'm offended you didn't dream about me, Holby. Deeply wounded....

[the phantom]

FYI, SPM and the phantom in cahoots does not work, so let's not hear any of that.

If we were both WWs, during yesterday's late voting we would have winked at each other and proceeded to double lynch two of the innocents on the chopping block and thus clinch the game for the Werewolves. The game would have been ours for the taking.

Now, you might argue that we wouldn't want to win like that- a two day multi-lynch bloodbath. But I assure you, neither he nor I are chivalrous Werewolves. We would have taken the win without hesitation.

[Mithalwen]

Well iwas going to be low and ask you straight out if you were a were wolf :p since you never lie in WW do you sweetie .....

I don't think that Holby had any reason to lie. The werewolves hardly need to pull such stunts and the timing makes sense.

[The Saucepan Man]

How convenient that the two other villagers that Holbytlass claims to have dreamed of are both dead. :rolleyes:

Isn't now the time that he's supposed to show up and say "No, I'm the Seer! Holby must be a WW trying to dupe us!"No, I am not the Seer. But I am innocent.

Holby's move does look rather a bold move for a Wolf, given the position that they are in. However, it makes sense. All they need to do is to kill one innocent villager toDay and the game is theirs. This looks to be designed to either achieve that, or to flush out the real Seer. Indeed, I suspect that they thought me to be the Seer. Had I been, this move would have been very low risk for them.

The real Seer should not reveal unless he/she has dreamed of another Wolf or I look to be in danger of being lynched, as we might get another Night's dream if we lynch Holby toDay and are lucky overNight.

In any event, Holby is clearly a Wolf, so my vote toDay is an easy one.

++HOLBYTLASS

Unofrtunately, given Holby's absence yesterDay, I doubt that there will be many clues in her posts as to her partners in crime. I have to go now, but will take a look back anyway when I return.

[the phantom]

How convenient that the two other villagers that Holbytlass claims to have dreamed of are both dead.
I've pondered that, and I'm wanting to say that it actually makes me believe Holby. Surely a WW would claim that their subjects were still living? Name one of their fellows as well as one innocent as "innocent", and the truly innocent villager is likely to side with them on that day. But if the village swings against them and they are lynched and discovered to be lying, how will the village know to treat the two "dreams" when the subjects were a mix of WW and Ordo?

What are the thoughts of others on this issue?
No, I am not the Seer. But I am innocent.
Honestly, this is what I expected you to say. Being the Seer would seem like too much of a coincidence.
The real Seer should not reveal unless he/she has dreamed of another Wolf or I look to be in danger of being lynched, as we might get another Night's dream if we lynch Holby toDay and are lucky overNight.
Hardy har har.

That gives you an out, doesn't it. If the "true Seer" doesn't step forward, you can claim that they are following your advice.

But look at the situation- "or I look to be in danger of being lynched". You ARE in danger, SPM! If you are truly innocent and Holby is a WW, then you are obviously the target of choice for all the WWs, meaning that only ONE ORDO has to vote for you to deliver the win to the WWs. And so obviously, if you are indeed innocent, the Seer needs to step up.

Well, I guess it's not an absolute, but certainly very very likely to be necessary.

[Mithalwen]

Hmm If I had to vote now it would be Sauce on balance of probabilities but I don't so I will wait.

[Holbytlass]

Isn't now the time that he's supposed to show up and say "No, I'm the Seer! Holby must be a WW trying to dupe us!"
I didn't say that, Phantom did.
How convenient that the two other villagers that Holbytlass claims to have dreamed of are both dead. :rolleyes:
I can't help that Legate got pulled into that horrific three-way, of which I'm sure still fills thee with glee. And I suppose Brinniel was killed at night for the same reason that I dreamt of her. I didn't know her style and therefore was unsure.

I'm offended you didn't dream about me, Holby. Deeply wounded....
I assure you I agonized over my decision for hours. Each person had a significant yet different reason for being dreamt about. If it's any consolation, I needed to find a strong ally I could trust, you and SpM were in that category. But in my lore books was written that SpM tended to pick up on me when I'm not an ordo, I was hoping for that. But at least luck turned to the village when he was found to be a wolf.

Now back to wolfhunting, there are two more out there and I've only bought the village one more day...

[the phantom]

Just in case anyone wonders, I'm leaving for a couple hours, I'll be around for about two hours after that, and then I'm leaving for about four hours, and then I'll be around for another couple hours. Then sleepy time.

And, just like yesterday, I'll be there right at the end.

[CaptainofDespair]

Wow. I leave for work, and things get interesting.

In any case, I'm perplexed. Holby hasn't exactly been around much, and so I don't think she exactly qualifies as trustable on her claims. I've trusted another before in WW and been severely burned for it. So, I'm suspicious of her claims.

And she says she dreamed of the innocents, and that they are all now dead, makes me a little uneasy. A wolf could play that same game.

Still, I'd rather take my chances on Saucepan Man being a wolf despite my distrust of Holby. If he isn't, we know who is one then. We'll all just be dead and unable to do anything about it.

*sighs*

++Saucepan Man

[the phantom]

SPM- 2
Holby- 1

Where is everyone else? Though I can't blame WWs for not showing up. Given their day one gift of a triple lynch, all they have to do is shut up and odds are we won't be able to lynch correctly three times in a row, as it would require every innocent to vote correctly, every single time, for the exact same WW.
Hmm If I had to vote now it would be Sauce on balance of probabilities but I don't so I will wait.
Why wait, dearie?

Because you think the "true Seer" may still emerge?

Or because you are a WW and you want to make it clear that you are against your pal SPM and will vote for him, but you are holding out just in case one of us innocents chooses to side with him leaving you free to switch over and vote Holby to win the game?

Sorry, but I'm suspicious of anyone displaying a Wolf as her avatar.

[The Saucepan Man]

I didn't say that, Phantom did.Quite so. I was in a bit of a hurry and had your Wolfishness rather on my mind. Still, at least you admit to being a Holbytwolf. :p

But look at the situation- "or I look to be in danger of being lynched". You ARE in danger, SPM! If you are truly innocent and Holby is a WW, then you are obviously the target of choice for all the WWs, meaning that only ONE ORDO has to vote for you to deliver the win to the WWs. And so obviously, if you are indeed innocent, the Seer needs to step up.No. I am only in danger of being lynched as and when I receive three votes. One more than that and it's game over. My concern was that Holby's claim would pressure the real Seer into revealing straight away, which is just what the Wolves want if they don't manage to claim me and the game toDay. Perhaps that is why you are so keen for the Seer to come forward before he/she needs to.

Why wait, dearie?If innocent, I presume that it's because she would prefer to consider her vote carefully, rather than handing the game over to the Wolves on a plate right now. If a Wolf, it is probably because she wants to put the final nail in my coffin. Or perhaps that's why you are holding your vote, phantom. :rolleyes:

I fully expected at least one of the other Wolves to pile in with a vote for me to put pressure on the innocent villagers to vote for me and on the real Seer to reveal. For that reason, I am pretty sure that CoD is one of Holby's fellow Wolves, particularly given that he claims also to mistrust her claim, most likely to make himself look better in the event that she is lynched toDay and her claim shown to be a sham.

As to the third Wolf, I don't really have much of an idea at the moment. I don't like the way that Mithalwen seemingly accepted Holby's claim without question. But then the phantom has done much the same thing, and also looks to have been urging the real Seer to reveal. I was suspicious of Kath for her early attempt to cast suspicion on Gil and for her very safe vote on Day 1, but she has said nothing since. Gil I am almost certain is innocent, for his crazy vote for Boro yesterDay. A Wolf would surely have known who the co-Mods are.

I'm off to read things through once again, particularly Holby's posts, and to look at yesterDay's votes.

[The Saucepan Man]

Only three posts from Holby before toDay.

Her first post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=528950&postcount=3) is quite a bold one for a Wolf. It seemed mere banter at the time, but now it makes for interesting reading.

I find suspicious at this time CaptainofDespair- anyone who delights in despair must be happy that we are in danger. Also, Legate of Amon Lanc -he has not embraced our village as he is always pointing out where he came from, no civil loyalty. Then there's Kath, I find anyone suspicious that won't give their full name. And of course, The Saucepan Man, for giving the whole village food poisoning!

Legate is dead and I am innocent. I would expect at least one of the others named to be one of her fellow Wolves, which backs up my strong feeling about CoD. It is possible, however, that she named two innocents and two fellow Wolves, which would point to CoD and Kath.

In her next post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=529015&postcount=20), she casts suspicion on both Menel, who she voted for, and Gil. She was successful in getting an innocent Menel lynched. I wonder whether she was also avoiding putting all her chickens in one basket by stirring suspicion of an innocent Gil.

The other post was her vote for Menel.

As I suspected, not a lot to go on, but it points towards CoD, and possibly Kath.

Day 2 vote analysis coming up.

[The Saucepan Man]

Mithalwen: Holby (Holby 1)
Gil: Boromir88! (Holby 1)
CaptainofDespair: Shasta (Holby 1, Shasta 1)
Shasta: Kath (Holby 1, Shasta 1, Kath 1)
Lal: phantom (Holby 1, Shasta 1, Kath 1, phantom 1)
Phantom: Lal (Holby 1, Shasta 1, Kath 1, phantom 1, Lal 1)
SpM: Shasta (Holby 1, Shasta 2, Kath 1, phantom 1, Lal 1)

Did not vote: Kath, Holby

OK, this immediately raises my suspicions of Mithalwen. It was unlikely that, with Holby being away on Day 2, she was going to attract many votes. A perfect time to get in a safe Wolf on Wolf vote.

Gil’s vote for Boro was ridiculous, but, as I have said, most likely speaks to his innocence.

The other votes don’t really tell us much as there was no bandwaggoning and none of them were particularly safe votes. I didn’t like the way that the phantom was so cagey about his vote at the end of the Day though. Things could have gone dreadfully wrong again, and he didn’t seem particularly concerned about it. Perhaps his ‘joking’ about a causing quadruple lynch was not so flippant after all.

So, my current thinking is as follows:

Wolves
Holby
CaptainofDespair

Possible Wolves
Kath
Mithalwen
The phantom

Most likely innocent
Gil-Galad

Not a great deal of help as far as the third Wolf is concerned, I am afraid. Still, it’s all academic if even one innocent falls for Holby’s claim. I suspect anyway that the next vote for me will reveal our third Wolf.

[the phantom]

But look at the situation- "or I look to be in danger of being lynched". You ARE in danger, SPM! If you are truly innocent and Holby is a WW, then you are obviously the target of choice for all the WWs, meaning that only ONE ORDO has to vote for you to deliver the win to the WWs. And so obviously, if you are indeed innocent, the Seer needs to step up.
No. I am only in danger of being lynched as and when I receive three votes.
Umm... no.

You are in danger of being lynched when you receive ONE SINGLE non-wolf vote.

First, let's assume you are innocent and Holby is a WW. Now, if CoD is not a WW, then the game is over already, because the other two Wolves can just tack their votes onto you. Right?

Okay. So let's assume that CoD is a WW as well. That leaves one Wolf.

Mith and I have both said we are leaning towards voting for you. We can't both be Wolves, correct? Therefore, it is a fact that an innocent villager is leaning towards voting for you right now.

It is also a fact that one single vote cast incorrectly will kill the village.

And so, I simply must insist that if Holby is not the real Seer, the true Seer must come forward. If he/she doesn't then it is almost certain that the game is over.

Meaning.... unless someone steps forward and claims to be the true Seer, I am going to have to stick with Holby on this.

(I've gotta hand it to you though, Sauce, you're spinning this very well. I feel like Theoden at Isengard, trying to cast off the power of Saruman's persuasive words.)

[the phantom]

I didn’t like the way that the phantom was so cagey about his vote at the end of the Day though. Things could have gone dreadfully wrong again, and he didn’t seem particularly concerned about it. Perhaps his ‘joking’ about a causing quadruple lynch was not so flippant after all.
I just thought I'd respond to this quickly.

You are right, Sauce. I was not completely joking about the quadruple lynch. It wouldn't have irked me much if we had done it. I know this doesn't sound very sporting, but the fact is after that ridiculous triple lynch on Day 1, I figured we were screwed except by a run of absolutely amazing luck. And so my mindset was "Oh, what the heck- let's go ahead and lynch a whole mob of people. If we happen to kill two wolves in the bunch then great, but if we don't then we at least can say we were part of a record setting Two-Day Werewolf game."

Not that I thought you'd let that happen. I didn't really trust you. That's why I wanted to see what you'd do if I sat on my vote.

I sat and sat and sat and still you did not go, so finally in the last 60 seconds I went, figuring you were waiting to see which way I'd go so that you could cause a double lynch and win the game. But instead I voted for a completely different target, meaning that a double lynch would be out of the question if you cast your vote.

And if you didn't vote at all, that would have left us with an amazing-record-breaking-remembered-forever-FIVE-PERSON-LYNCH!! Which, in my opinion, would be a fabulous way to lose. Go out in style, you know.

[the phantom]

I'm off to bed.

I'll be back about 30 minutes before the deadline to look things over and then vote.

[Mithalwen]

SPM- 2
Holby- 1

Where is everyone else? Though I can't blame WWs for not showing up. Given their day one gift of a triple lynch, all they have to do is shut up and odds are we won't be able to lynch correctly three times in a row, as it would require every innocent to vote correctly, every single time, for the exact same WW.

Why wait, dearie?


Sorry, but I'm suspicious of anyone displaying a Wolf as her avatar.


No darling cos I had to catch a train and thought it might be useful to wait in case we can get two wolvsies ..

[The Saucepan Man]

And so, I simply must insist that if Holby is not the real Seer, the true Seer must come forward. If he/she doesn't then it is almost certain that the game is over.This is simply not the case. Assuming CoD is a Wolf, which I believe to be the case, then the Seer need not reveal if the remaining innocents vote for Holby. That way, we get to live another Day and, if we are lucky, we get another Seer dream.

There is little more that I can say here, so I place myself in your hands. Choose wisely, or the game will be over.

That said, I am becoming increasingly concerned that neither Gil nor Kath will be turning up toDay. If that's the case, and both are innocent, then the game is effectively over already.

[Holbytlass]

WOW! Saucepanman, I'm impressed, as always, with your trying to squirm out of you being a wolf. Which actually may help others see that I am the real seer.
I know there are those that don't know such as CoD, I don't know him, but those that know me know that I'm not good with words and therefore would not stand a chance against you. If I were faking I would have picked an easier target or at least one that I fely I might stand a chance against.

I am the real seer-I have revealed myself because we have a now known wolf.

[Mithalwen]

++ The Saucepan Man

Reasons (as if you need them to follow):rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Alive

CaptainofDespair
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Mithalwen
the phantom
The Saucepan Man
All right. We have votes from CoD, Holby, Mith, and SPM.

Kath and Gil don't seem to be here, which makes me the only vote left. And with the voting count at 3-1... that means the voting is over already. It doesn't matter which way I go.

[Mithalwen]

OK although I do believe him a wolf, the Pan Man is right in that I didn't want to vote hastily sinceI could and would return. Too often something unexpected arises and a fixed vote is not to be cast lightly (though I now hurl it with some force in Sauce's direction).

However I note that a lot of things that are now troubling him now about me and others aren't things that troubled him at the time. Bit late to be criticising my vote for Holby isn't it? I freely admitted it was a cheap shot but I had forgotten to apply my usual rule of thumb that "oddness" can be a product of giftedness as well as lycanthropy.

It is a pity that she will surely be lost to us tonight not only for her gifts but becasue the wolves will not be giving anything away by their choice. Since the kills so far have seemed "unobvious" it is reasonable to assume that others were possibly left alive as foils/ cover for the wolves. Assuming SPM's guilt, I imagine Phantom (if innocent and I ) were cover for him. There is surely a wolf among the quiet ...

I tend to think TP is innocent and I know I am so with Holby-seer two of Gil, Kath and COD must be wolves. Which is the hard part .... Kath is usually but not always more involved as a wolf but .....

[Mithalwen]

Gil and Kath have posted twice each ..... such a lot to go on.....:rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Kath and Gil's absence is worrying. On one hand, surely WWs would show up, right? But that would mean that Holby, Mith, and CoD are the WWs, and that there is nothing we can do about it.

On the other hand, if SPM turns out to be guilty, Kath and Gil will suddenly look very suspicious, and rightly so- and yet that would seem too easy. And naturally Mith will appear to be totally cleared since she voted for SPM when there was still a chance of saving him. But of course she could've just been betting on me voting for him as well. CoD will look very innocent...

[Holbytlass]

It doesn't matter which way I go.
It still makes all the difference in this world. Where do you officially stand?

[Mithalwen]

Oh and Phantom, the reason I delayed is realted to one of the reasons I confessed to being a wolf in Sauce's game before anyone voted. If innocent and wolf alike don't have to think about their vote it leaves less trail.

By delaying my vote I kept open the possibility of Sauce's survival and hoped to force the quiet into action and speech.. it didn't quite work but heigh ho .. you should vote phantom even if there is "no point"

[Mithalwen]

I actually think CoD looks guilty but then .. I was assuming you are innocent TP... Perhaps I was wrong

[the phantom]

Gil and Kath have posted twice each ..... such a lot to go on.....
Heh heh... yeah... it's like I said. Given that Day 1 triple-lynch gift, the odds are with the WWs, so if they stay quiet they will likely win.

As far as your reasoning for holding your vote- I can definitely understand that.
you should vote phantom even if there is "no point"
Nah. Just let the clock run out.

I'm going back to bed. Sleepy....

[The Saucepan Man]

Looks like it's game over. :(

Hats off to you Holby. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Kidding... I never planned on holding my vote.

I just wanted to see if Kath and Gil came running in to tie up the vote as soon as I announced my departure.

I guess not.

So let's put this out of reach.

++SPM

[Kath]

Argh! I'm so sorry! I completely forgot. Am I in time?

++SAUCE

Holby revealed and that's about as far as I've read. No one countered so she's the Seer and Sauce is a wolf.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Standing in Lalwendë's garden, Holby steps forward, eying nervously those around her. She never takes her eyes from Saucie. "I've never told you," she begins, "but I am the many-greats granddaughter of a celebrated Seer. I inherited, though, sadly, my dreams are rarely of much help. You see, those who I dream about tend to die immediately after. Legate... kicked it during a bit of idiocy on your part. Brinniel died in the night. Please, my friends, keep up tradition. I've dreamt of The Saucepan Man. And he is evil as only a wolf can be. You must kill him also."

She expects him to pounce, to leap for her throat and cut her down. Better yet, he proposes a counter-attack. "She's obviously lying."

Every villager laughs at him.

"What you've forgotten," says the phantom, "is that Holby is too sweet to manipulate people like that. She's the one who knows the marriage lore of the Rings, she's the one who cares for people's children... Though she would make a formidable enemy, it's not her style at all to be so brazen. Now if, say, you or I pretended to be a Seer to flush the real one, that would be believable. But it's Holby. Sweet Holby. Lovable Holby. It's cute that you thought your last ditch effort would work."

A woman screams as Spam's claws lengthen. "But it's daylight!"

The Saucepan Wolf lunges for Holby's throat, throwing aside villagers in his attempt to kill his accuser. Seer or not, she's turned the village against him.

"I think not!" cries the phantom, always one for drama, bravado, and showing off his savior complex to the delight of the ladies. He shoots The Wolfpan Man in the back of the head with a razor sharp arrow. Wolfpan falls with a resounding thud, twitching.

"He's still alive!" cries one.

"No he isn't." says the phantom casually. "It's just that my arrow is embedded in his nervous system."

Holby shivers mere inches from his outstretched arm. Every villager suspects she will not last the night. She hopes only for the ability to help the village once more.

Yet as though an enchantment is upon them, the villagers all retire to bed. Night is dangerous in these parts; the only safety is behind locked doors. And for one in their midst? A door will not be enough.

As each villager passes into his or her respective cottage, Kath runs forward, eying the setting sun with uncertainty. "Am I too late?"

"Yes." says a disembodied voice from the graveyard. "You are."

---

Dead

Night One: Boromir88 (scholar) and Fea (wife)
Day One: Legate (innocent), Durelin (innocent), Menel (innocent)
Night Two: Brinniel (innocent)
Day Two: Shasta (innocent)
Night Two: Lalwendë (innocent)
Day Three: The Saucepan Man (wolf)

Alive

CaptainofDespair
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Mithalwen
the phantom

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The wolves slip away in the night to confer where they will not be seen or heard. They perch upon a fallen tree, watching the moon loom overhead. It is a clear night. The moon is vast, silver white. In the clearing below them, the village sleeps.

One removes a flask from a cache of supplies beneath the tree; they have met here before. They share a drink in honor of their fallen comrade.

"But tonight..." red eyes gleam, "tonight the village shall pay."

---

Every villager sleeps, but not all dreams are equal. The Seer's rest is unrestful.

A rider gallops down a well-trodden road, message in hand.

The moon rises beyond the sillhouette of broken branches on the roadside. A black bird screams as its nest is invaded in the dark.

The moonlight illuminates a face in the shadows. The rider gasps.

---

The wolves enter the house through an open window. The resident sleeps on the floor. One slits the throat quietly while the other gathers the dripping blood in a goblet. They toast each other and watch for signs of success. The sun begins to rise over the forest.

---

Morning dawns and the village gathers. The phantom is missing. The Seer laughs.

---

Dead

Night One: Boromir88 (scholar) and Fea (wife)
Day One: Legate (innocent), Durelin (innocent), Menel (innocent)
Night Two: Brinniel (innocent)
Day Two: Shasta (innocent)
Night Two: Lalwendë (innocent)
Day Three: The Saucepan Man (wolf)
Night Three: the phantom (innocent)

Alive

CaptainofDespair
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Mithalwen

[CaptainofDespair]

So, it would seem that Holby is not our Seer but a wolf. That is because I am the real Seer.

She still lives, I think, because she and Saucepan Man planned on luring me out yesterday in hopes that they could votes either split between the two of them (and then use all three wolf votes to kill me as they would then have only 2 votes a piece, ending the game). Or had Holby or Sauce expected to die, only one wolf would be gone today anyway.

However, as the poor phantom had requested, I could not reveal myself. To do so would have been death (I knew Sauce was a wolf from my first Dream). Holby I then assumed was one. Since it was wolf on wolf acting, I felt to come out would only hamper our village's defense, as it would lose the last chance to find the last wolf.

And I have done so. Gil-Galad is our final wolf. Having dreamt of him last night (out of a sneaking suspicion I had), we now have all three wolves known.

Mithalwen, Kath: As our known innocents, I implore you to vote for Holby. If we get rid of her today, Gil-Galad will kill me tonight leaving you two to vote him down tomorrow.

I am at work, and busy, so I will return later today to reveal all.

[Mithalwen]

I need to read through but I am inclined to believe you at the moment. I certainly was coming to the conclusion that Gil is a wolf anyway and that Kath is innocent ...as a wolf she tends to be more engaged....

But I don't have to vote yet so will keep an open mind till I have read through considering both scenarios:



CaptainofDespair Seer
Gil-Galad Wolf
Holbytlass Wolf
Kath Ordo
Mithalwen Ordo

Or

CaptainofDespair Presumably Wolf
Gil-Galad Likely second wolf
Holbytlass Seer
Kath likely other ordo
Mithalwen Ordo

[Mithalwen]

Is anyone out there?

[Mithalwen]

Captain of Despair..if you dreamed of Sauce Night one, why did you never mention any suspicion of him? That is the main thing that troubles me...... and something els eI can't quite put my finger on...

[CaptainofDespair]

Captain of Despair..if you dreamed of Sauce Night one, why did you never mention any suspicion of him? That is the main thing that troubles me...... and something els eI can't quite put my finger on...

To mention suspicion of him might have made me a target. I'd rather not compromise myself just to show I have suspicions of him. I wanted to wait as long as possible to reveal my agenda so that I'd have a better shot at getting at all three wolves, or at least two.

[CaptainofDespair]

Alrighty. Now that I am free of the shackles of work, I might respond more fully. This will include some rehashing of my first post, but it will keep things together better, I think.

So let us explore my Seer-dom.

Alrighty. On the first dream night, I spent my time dreaming of Saucepan Man. There was no real reason here, except that he is a great (and dangerous) player if he is a wolf. To my surprise and luck he was indeed one.

I did not reveal my suspicions of him once I knew his true nature as it might place me in harm's way. The wolves this game did not seem to be picking threatening targets, however. I am unsure as to what their decision-making process could be, but it might be based in the "potential" of their targets to cause harm. Brinniel might be the best case for this argument, as she seems to be a well-rounded player.

My next dream was of Kath (though I was considering the phantom, but then felt he would not be a wolf as well as Saucepan Man), who had garnered some suspicion from Saucepan Man. Knowing his nature, I decided it might be best to see if it was a wolf-on-wolf plot. Unfortunately it was not, and so I did not have another wolf. But I had an innocent at least. Fortunately, Kath still lives.

My third dream was of the phantom, whose actions during the quintuple lynch moment were quite suspicious. I doubted he could be a wolf at first, but since Kath was innocent it might have been wolf-to-wolf action with Sauce. Again I turned up nothing, as the phantom proved to be an innocent.

Once Holby came out as a the Seer I knew her to be a wolf, and knowing Sauce was one I refused to reveal myself. I felt this would be best for the village (as the wolves might get lucky and get an attempted double lynch which would allow them to win the game with my death by tacking all three of their votes on me).

Once the Night set in, I debated for some time one who to dream of. Holby did not really provide much to go on. Her absence and lack of interaction with other players gave me a dead end. I could find little based on what had come out of her voting for Saucepan Man, as I attributed it to wolves attempting to draw me out. So I went an alternate route.

Saucepan Man had been a rather vocal player this game (one of the few), and Holby was "helpful" when around, but mostly absent. Since these two were known wolves to me, I thought I might try to pick my dream based on activity and any feelings I might have when I thought of certain players.

Mithalwen and Gil-Galad were my only two choices, as I had dreamed of the phantom and Kath previously in my attempt to use Saucepan Man as a reference point. Mithalwen had some things in common with Sauce, but she has been available. I did not feel anything in my gut when I went over some of her posts, and so I moved on to Gil-Galad.

His lack of activity (which would put him at the low end of the scale of the three wolves, with Sauce at the top and Holby in the middle), combined with his random voting pattern (which is sparse, but his mod vote was very odd) and my initial suspicion of him (mostly playing off his avatar) leant me to look into him. Although it would not matter, I preferred to find the wolf outright rather than an innocent. Either one being dreamed of would have yielded the result. In dreaming of Gil-Galad, I did indeed find the wolf I was looking for.

While I am saddened the phantom had to die in the name of my search, coming out would have been ineffective in winning the game in my view. But I feel his sacrifice is not in vain, as the innocents of this village can rally and put down a wolf today. Then everything is set for a win after my death tonight.

[Gil-Galad]

woah... where did me coming a wolf be? since this is the end i might as well reveal it and save my hide

i am the seer

CaptainofDespair is trying to pretend to kill me off, a good ending move as a wolf, too bad i dreamt of you last night as wolf

Holbytlass is innocent! Mithalwen is innocent!

so that leaves us to lynch Kath and Captain!

++CaptainofDespair

[CaptainofDespair]

woah... where did me coming a wolf be? since this is the end i might as well reveal it and save my hide

i am the seer

CaptainofDespair is trying to pretend to kill me off, a good ending move as a wolf, too bad i dreamt of you last night as wolf

Holbytlass is innocent! Mithalwen is innocent!

so that leaves us to lynch Kath and Captain!

++CaptainofDespair

You lack the credentials, Gil-Galad. If Holby is innocent, how did she pick a wolf in Saucepan Man? She revealed a dreaming pattern, as well. You have nothing to show for but accusations.

And that you attempt to turn my own reasoning against shows you have nothing in your hand but the blood and gore of our fellow villagers whom you ruthlessly slaughtered. Your testimony can only be turned against you.

And how am I trying to pretend to kill you off? Today I'm going for Holby, as she is far more dangerous a wolf than you. You will simply be put down tomorrow after you kill me tonight. Essentially, I'm leaving Mithalwen and Kath to kill you off.

[Holbytlass]

I'm alive?!?

I dreamt of Captain last night and he is a wolf.

He's EVIL!!

++Captain of Despair

[Holbytlass]

Reading through today, now I see why I'm alive. Didn't need to look at the village bullletin because I fully expected to be dead (also had RL company).

Good one, CoD.

WHY as a wolf would I kill off Phantom, as he is a better debator than I am and was in my corner. I would NEVER have killed him last night!

[CaptainofDespair]

I'm alive?!?

I dreamt of Captain last night and he is a wolf.

He's EVIL!!

++Captain of Despair

And so the last two wolves come into concert with one another. I find it interesting that Gil-Galad can only put out a real vote when his wolfen hide is in danger.

And you Holby, are alive because you are a wolf. Nice try attempting to lure me out with a fake Seer act, but you've failed. I will not be bested by you canine mongrels.

In any case, I planned on a spurt of activity from the wolves, if only enough to try to kill me. But the vote will come down to Kath and Mithalwen. They are the deciders on this matter. I have complete faith that they will do the right thing.

[CaptainofDespair]

Reading through today, now I see why I'm alive. Didn't need to look at the village bullletin because I fully expected to be dead (also had RL company).

Good one, CoD.

WHY as a wolf would I kill off Phantom, as he is a better debator than I am and was in my corner. I would NEVER have killed him last night!

I assume the phantom is dead is because it would reflect poorly on me. He believed me to be a wolf yesterday. To kill him would make me seem guilty, and thus allow you to continue your false and very flawed Seer act, Holby. The phantom, it seems to me, is more useful to you dead than alive.

[Holbytlass]

If i were a wolf why would I come out playing I was the seer at that moment? I was under no threat of being lynched garnering only one vote in the beginning from Mithalwen. Even SpM wasn't under huge suspicions. The wolves had a huge head start after that three way lynching so why would I lie and say I was the seer and get rid of a fellow wolf, also outing myself?

I am the seer, I got lucky dreaming of a wolf and nailed him at a critical time for the village, not the wolves.

[CaptainofDespair]

If i were a wolf why would I come out playing I was the seer at that moment? I was under no threat of being lynched garnering only one vote in the beginning from Mithalwen. Even SpM wasn't under huge suspicions. The wolves had a huge head start after that three way lynching so why would I lie and say I was the seer and get rid of a fellow wolf, also outing myself?

I am the seer, I got lucky dreaming of a wolf and nailed him at a critical time for the village, not the wolves.

Because the village was in danger of falling to the wolves. And what better way than to win the game by getting the real Seer lynched. By using two wolves, instead of one true innocent, in your game, you allowed yourselves (it would seem to me) to be set up for a double lynch. Now, that was contingent on several factors, such as me revealing myself and not knowing Sauce to be a wolf. That is one theory of mine. It is somewhat flawed, but it did form the first ideas of how this might have gone down.

My other is that you would allow one of you to be lynched (you, specifically, Holby) when the Seer came out. Sauce might then look a tad more innocent than what he was, giving you two wolves with knowledge of the Seer. Without me, the village could not easily find the last wolf. That might then be enough to garner victory for you.

And wolves have outed each other before. WW is a game of attrition. If wolves must be outed to ensure victory, I do not doubt they'd do it if it'd secure a win.

[Holbytlass]

Because the village was in danger of falling to the wolves.
Therefore, as a wolf, I would have sat back and let it fall.
And wolves have outed each other before. WW is a game of attrition. If wolves must be outed to ensure victory, I do not doubt they'd do it if it'd secure a win.
True, very true, but again the timing of my so-called "charade" is way off. The wolves were ahead and in no danger at that moment-so I would not have pointed fingers at a fellow wolf needlessly.

[CaptainofDespair]

Therefore, as a wolf, I would have sat back and let it fall.

True, very true, but again the timing of my so-called "charade" is way off. The wolves were ahead and in no danger at that moment-so I would not have pointed fingers at a fellow wolf needlessly.

Why let it? There were 4 innocents (counting the Seer) and three wolves. It is not so hard to assume that as the numbers of innocents drop, the likelihood of a wolf being lynched increases significantly. I would surmise since Saucepan Man opted out of the quintuple lynch to win the game earlier, that you might have wished to go out in 'style' perhaps?

As for pointing fingers, Sauce was a tad in danger. Phantom was not sure of him, I think, and a few others had their suspicions. Also, had you not pulled your charade before I was able to view the forum, I might have come out to declare Sauce a wolf to save the village. But, perhaps, since I did not, you went ahead with a predetermined plan.

I have no real idea what was going through your minds. You are individuals after all, and so your reasoning is not so easy to see (it could very well have been illogical, masterminded by the insane Gil-Galad?). I can only guess at your motives and decision-making.

[Holbytlass]

Now you are grasping at straws.

CoD[/B]]I would surmise since Saucepan Man opted out of the quintuple lynch to win the game earlier, that you might have wished to go out in 'style' perhaps?
Style? LOL!! I have no style, sir.

No, SpM likes to win but doesn't like things handed to him. He might be kicking himself now, though.
If he and I orchestrated this, he certainly would have thought through this fiasco better.


I'm afraid I have to go and feed my wee ones and therefore have to leave for awhile.

[CaptainofDespair]

Now you are grasping at straws.


Style? LOL!! I have no style, sir.

No, SpM likes to win but doesn't like things handed to him. He might be kicking himself now, though.
If he and I orchestrated this, he certainly would have thought through this fiasco better.

Maybe, maybe not.

As for the style comment: I thought wolves were opportunists, taking what the game gave them. Opportunists often lack style (though I recall one French Revolutionary having style while meandering his way through the Terror and Napoleon when opportunity struck). Since you are not clearly opportunists, then, perhaps you do have style but are unwilling to ascribe to it?

In any case, that is not important. Petty quibbles will not get you and Gil-Galad lynched, but a good case will. And I think whatever one you could have had started to come undone when Gil-Galad attempted to play the Seer. Even in jest it is unwise to be so foolish when you already have one supposed Seer on your side. Gil is certainly a crazed and very fool hardy wolf. His silence would have played out better for you two, I think.

[Kath]

Oh please tell me you're kidding! Three potential Seers? And here I thought this was going to be a simple game. :rolleyes:

So, we have three sets of options:

1) Holby is the Seer making CoD a wolf and the rest unknowns.

2) CoD is the Seer making Gil and, presumably Holby, a wolf and Mith and myself innocents.

3) Gil is the Seer making myself and CoD wolves and Mith and Holby innocents.

YesterDay I was convinced of Holby's Seership, but why would the wolves not kill her in the Night? I know there are all kinds of theories about setting people up and bluffing but a Seer is such a danger to the wolves. Whatever the possible benefits of leaving one alive are surely the negatives must outweigh that? Which is why I now have misgivings over Holby's claim.

Gil, well, to be honest his revelation looked like retaliation. It's something we've seen from him before. He's accused so he accuses right back, and since he has me down as a wolf I'm hardly inclined to believe him. I suppose it is possible that he did dream of CoD and maybe either Mith or Holby, but just had to guess at the roles of the ones he didn't dream of. I'll have a look back over his posts just in case but I think he's just following the crowd here.

As to CoD, I am always wary of someone who reveals after someone else has already done so, and to me the choice is between him and Holby (I can't really see Gil being away so much and forgetting the game if he was something important, especially after his performance as a Gifted not long ago). This back and forth between those two might show something valuable, so I'll have a look at that while I'm checking out Gil's history as well.

[Gil-Galad]

this game is reaching its end and i must state that my wariness of posting has helped me do my seer duties, i told you i am trying out different tactics! but i must protest that captain's accusation of me being a wolf is so untrue and my dream of him focuses him being a wolf... if you kill me you will discover

Day four: Gil-Galad(Seer)

and that will surely give the remaining two wolves a kill... let us at least try to take one down, if i must i will go along with a double lynching of myself and Captain to end the debate of either of us being wolves! because surely i am dead by tomorrow

[Holbytlass]

... let us at least try to take one down, if i must i will go along with a double lynching of myself and Captain to end the debate of either of us being wolves! because surely i am dead by tomorrow
Oh no, you don't Gil. I don't know who or what you are, YET. But if you go along with a double lynch of yourself and Captain than the village is lost tonight.

Maybe you are the third wolf. maybe you knew some one would say no to a double lynch but it looks good that you're trying to save the village and of course wolf against wolf is a strategy.

Speaking of opportunistic......:rolleyes:

[Kath]

Gil throws suspicions on Holby at once, but am I right in thinking the Seer didn't have a dream first night, so even if he is the Seer this doesn't actually mean anything.

Day 2 he turns up and randomly votes for Boro, who isn't even playing. By this point he would have had a dream and had at least some information. Now, there's keeping a low profile and there's being completely unhelpful, if he is the Seer then this is the latter.

As to Day 3, he didn't even turn up.

Well that pretty much clears that up for me. Gil is not the Seer. He has just said though that he's trying new tactics, and while they might not fit the pattern of a Seer they might just fit that of a wolf. I'm wary of thinking Gil a wolf, as so often he turns out to be a misguided innocent, but it almost looks as though he's been taking lessons in how to stay alive by making himself the 'wild card'.

I think my decision on him will depend on what I think of this feud between Holby and CoD. I will try to look at that as soon as I can but it's coming up to 1 in the morning over here and I could really do with some sleep, so if I don't post again in the next hour or so don't expect to hear from me until the morning.

[CaptainofDespair]

Oh no, you don't Gil. I don't know who or what you are, YET. But if you go along with a double lynch of yourself and Captain than the village is lost tonight.

Maybe you are the third wolf. maybe you knew some one would say no to a double lynch but it looks good that you're trying to save the village and of course wolf against wolf is a strategy.

Speaking of opportunistic......:rolleyes:

If that were the case, Holby, then maybe the mods forgot to tell us all something? Besides that Gil is crazed, Gil is a wolf, and Gil is a crazed wolf. ;)

His antics are catching my eye, though. I'm glad I have not yet voted. Although Holby-wolf is a dangerous foe, removing Gil is just as productive. When (not if, mind you) he is revealed as a wolf, my pronouncements against both you and he will be proven true, and you will then be lynched the next day we have. The village will win.

[Holbytlass]

The village will have a chance to win when you are lynched today.

[CaptainofDespair]

The village will have a chance to win when you are lynched today.

I maintain that it is better to kill you, Holby, than I. As the rightful Seer, I see it as my duty to ensure this village's safety. You are only going against that by working in concert with fiends such as Saucepan Man and Gil-Galad.

Unlike you, I have already made my peace. I am ready to die, in the name of the village. As Seer I must do as those who came before me have done, sacrificing their lives to the Night stalked by wolves of malicious intent to ensure the village will live on.

[CaptainofDespair]

Well, seeing as it is growing late, I must be off for the evening.

I intend to either vote Holby or Gil-Galad in the morning. This depends on where Kath and Mith's votes fall, of course.

[CaptainofDespair]

Well, since the Day ends fairly soon, and that there have been no new posts since I retired, I feel I must vote now. I'd hate to miss the cut.

++Gil-Galad

It does not really matter which wolf we vote for, so long as we get them both. So I will side with taking down Gil today. Kath and Mith can lynch Holby tomorrow.

[Kath]

Well, I looked through the debate between Holby and CoD last night. CoD has the much calmer and logical argument usually born from the knowledge that your'e right, but Holby has the mildly desperate argument often seen in Gifted's who just aren't being listened to. However, I am swayed towards CoD being the true Seer because of something that Holby said, where she seemed to claim that she had not immediately been aware of CoD's revelation. She had obviously seen the mod post as she knew she was alive and CoD's post was the first one after it, which she must have seen as she skimmed down the page to hit 'reply'.

But whatever the case with those two, Gil is incredibly suspicious. I missed that bit about him wanting a double lynch last night. Now given the situation last night I think a wolvish Gil might just have tried that little trick, hoping the arguments between CoD and Holby would cover up just how suspicious his suggestion was.

So, here is my vote:

++GIL

I know this is taking it to a tie, but I can't with confidence vote CoD or Holby. Hopefully Mith will turn up soon to prevent us having a double lynch. I'm pretty much relying on that!

[Holbytlass]

something that Holby said, where she seemed to claim that she had not immediately been aware of CoD's revelation. She had obviously seen the mod post as she knew she was alive and CoD's post was the first one after it, which she must have seen as she skimmed down the page to hit 'reply'.
I came on expecting to leisurely read my death but saw I was alive. I panicked and immediately hit the post button to give my information.

Then went back and read what had been posted.

You're right, I am desperate-I plead to you Mith to vote Captain. I don't know about Gil but CoD is a wolf. please Severus.....I mean Mith....

[Holbytlass]

Gil throws suspicions on Holby at once, but am I right in thinking the Seer didn't have a dream first night, so even if he is the Seer this doesn't actually mean anything.
We have always been allowed to dream first night-it's a night, why wouldn't we. Only the wolve don't get a first night kill because the mods are killed .

[Mithalwen]

I am tempted to withold my vote becasue I sincerely think that both Gil and Captain are wolves and by doing so I will end this now. I did think they were the likeliest pairing before CofD's seer claim.

Captain's not hinting at Sauce at all does not wash. You don't hang on to that kind of information when you have no ranger, no hunter and have lost three ordos day 1. It would have been game over if we hadn't lynched him. If CofD had been a wolf kill there would have been no clue.

There is an interesting consensus between the two as to Kath and my innocence. Only BOTH of them could KNOW that if they were wolves.

Then there is Cof D's insistence we should lynch Holby first .... though gil is the definite wolf. Makes sense if they are both wolves - Holby lynched first ..game over ... Gil lynched - Cof D's credentials proved ..lynch holby next day Wolves still win...

[Mithalwen]

It has also been playing on my mind that the wolves have had a lot of time for thinking this game....
Anyone got a good argument why I should actually vote?

[Holbytlass]

I think you should vote (obviously CoD).
If you let a double lynch happen and Gil is not a wolf wolves win anyway.

If they both are and you let them go then you will be the village hero, but I'm not sure if both are wolves they would let them bot get this tangled at a critical moment.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Whistles happily, watching the mayhem.
Nine minutes, kids.

[Mithalwen]

Well my dear ... the problem is ..that I am sure Gil is a wolf, so it is a question of if I trust you or CofD. If I go with you which is my instinct .... then this is the best option..and I don't care about being a hero...just really believe this will get us a win..now.

[Mithalwen]

That is not fair Fea waving my drug of choice before my nose...... Mayhem is my natural state...

[Holbytlass]

True, and I wish I were as confident in Gil's guilt. But then you may be the third wolf and with Gil's death today along with Captain's then my death tonight, you would rise and kill Kath. But we shall see what comes.....

[Mithalwen]

If I am wrong, truly I am sorry but I am going "all in" - I think is the term but no doubt my Poker guru will correct me if wrong. Holby is you are a wolf - well played my friend.

I will abstain.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

That is not fair Fea waving my drug of choice before my nose...... Mayhem is my natural state...

I apologize... I am unnecessarily cruel at heart.

[Mithalwen]

Holby, I am innocent ..quite well wrong.... but innocent...

[Mithalwen]

I mean maybe quite well wrong .... and now am going. One way or another this is the end ...... *closes eyes and hopes for the best*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Casually waits two minutes to make sure there's no last minute change of heart.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The Day is over. Any further posts will result in broken fingers and a lot of frowning.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The two laugh during the day, though only where their voices cannot be heard.

The village, it would seem, hosts many descendants of Seers, for as the day passes, several more step forth.

CaptainofDespair steps forth looking mildly bashful, admitting he maybe should have revealed himself sooner, but had hoped to find another wolf. And lo! he had, for he reveals Holby as a wrongdoer, as well as Gil-Galad.

Gil-Galad, in his turn, jumps to his feet and cries many things, not least of which is "No! I'm the true Seer!"

As the village watches, he points a shaking finger toward CaptainofDespair and Kath, sweet Kath, who has gone mostly unnoticed in this village. Kath and Cap meet each others' eyes, raising dubious eyebrows.

Holby, from her modest perch upon the side of the well, says, "This is ridiculous. We cannot possibly have so many Seers. Unless perhaps one of the evil ones is also possessed with Sight..."

Her thinking aloud trails to silence and she identifies CaptainofDespair with as much certainty as her previous assertions about Wolfpan.

Mithalwen closes her eyes, craving mayhem, trying with everything in her to remain calm, collected, and beyond addiction.

The wolves smile. A mistake today means one thing: their planning has paid off. The village is theirs.

SeerofDespair votes for Seer-Galad. Kath quietly attaches her vote to the least stable member of the village.

HolbytSeer campaigns for CapSeer, admitting no knowledge of the final wolf.

Mithalwen sits shaking, seeing the mayhem she so desires within reach.

Seer-Galad votes for CapSeer, convinced of his guilt.

The confusion is tangible. Ghost laughter fills the air. Mithalwen is frozen.

The sun sets upon a tied village, with Mithalwen abstaining from both voting and chaos.

CapSeer grins. Seer-Galad winces; his ruse has not helped the village.

CapWolf's claws extend, his teeth lengthen, and his frame converts to one devoid of humanity. He dashes toward Gildinary Villager and proceeds to mangle his flesh with all available weapons. The rest of the village jumps to help, just slightly too late. Gil is dead, with a branch shoved through his chest, his face mutilated beyond recognition. Yet also dead is CaptainofDespair, his mouth dripping blood.

---

The three villagers step away from the mess, eyes searching for a sweeter sight than the pile of dripping flesh beside them.

As they walk toward the village, Mithalwen hears a whisper in her ear. "Thank you."

She begins to turn and the wolf behind her snaps her neck, letting her fall.

Holby speaks. "You know, Kath, I never expected to live this long."

"But our ruse worked so prettily. All we needed was enough uncertainty for the village to ruin itself. It was beautiful, was it not?"

"From the very beginning, you worked to destablize our community. The Saucepan Man told us of the threat... he's the one who filled the people with terror."

"He told the truth."

"Mangled in such a way as to help your evil cause!"

Kath grins. "Certainly. We wolves are opportunists. Why work to destroy a village when we can watch it tear itself apart from a distance?"

Holby sighs. "So this is the end?"

"Did you doubt it would end this way?"

"Doubt? No. But it is a mark of the brave and the good to have hope even where certainty fails."

"Hope is a fool's game."

"Hope is all there is." she says simply.

Kath leans in, admiring one single shimmering claw as it extends in the moonlight. "Then hope for an afterlife, pretty Seer."

---

The victory is not as sweet as she might have hoped. Kath walks through the graveyard in her human form, eying so many fresh mounds. She pauses beside the graves of Wolfpan and Wolftain, letting tears fall. Opportunistic they may be, and though they may sacrifice one for the good of the many... wolves belong to packs. And Kath stands amongst the moonlit headstones, eying the end.

She wipes her tears and moves on, leaving the village forever, a lone wolf to carry on.

She will find another village, more villagers willing to bear the torment that is being half-human. She will turn them. She will build another pack. Perhaps in the next village, their win will be sweeter, with less blood and tears. Perhaps next time every villager will become pack.

For is that not what everyone desires? A pack of many; a pack of all.

World peace.

---

Dead

Night One: Boromir88 (scholar) and Fea (wife)
Day One: Legate (innocent), Durelin (innocent), Menel (innocent)
Night Two: Brinniel (innocent)
Day Two: Shasta (innocent)
Night Two: Lalwendë (innocent)
Day Three: The Saucepan Man (wolf)
Night Three: the phantom (innocent)
Day Four: Captainof Despair (wolf) and Gil-Galad (innocent)
Night Four: Mithalwen (innocent) and Holby (Seer)

Alive

Kath

---

WOLVES WIN

[Holbytlass]

That was FABULOUS!!
Very, very impressive strategy dear wolves. I believe a(n) historical moment, actually letting the seer live. My hat off to you three.
It is over and I can stop shaking now.

It was fun being on the brink and having things so uncertain-at least for us villagers.

Thank you mods, Feanor and Boromir.

[Mithalwen]

Oh dear... I am sorry .....

Kath, if ever I send you another bottle, be very careful Ducky darling....:p You really are my bane - what a fool I was to think I had learnt to read you....

[Kath]

CaptainofDespair, congratulations! I know he ended up dead but the Seer revelation was entirely his idea and he carried it off beautifully. Holby, you have that brave man to thank for your extra Day, he's got guts!

Kath, if ever I send you another bottle, be very careful Ducky darling.... You really are my bane - what a fool I was to think I had learnt to read you....
I'll get it tested first I promise. But don't sell yourself short Mith, had I actually been able to be around those couple of Days your prediction that I'd be more involved would have been entirely true.

Fea, that was a beautiful final narration. Kudos to you and Boro for having great ones throughout!

Oh man that was a fun game. I so wish I'd had more time.

[Gil-Galad]

sigh... as long as i took down a wolf with me i am happy...


captain your mistake was to pretend to be a gifted, the only people that do that is innocents who don't care anymore or wolves thinking they are clever. when you stated i was a wolf i knew that was false and so did the real seer! you put yourself in a trap!

this was a fun game... full of seers...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

This was really brilliant guys. It was so much fun.

I honestly think the best games for modding are simple no-frills games.

I thought you'd all kick it day two, what with that triple lynching on the first. And not a single wolf in it!

Holby, you should have seen B88 and I cracking up that you'd nailed all three wolves by accident in your first goofy post. First post of the game, and the Seer's pegged everyone. :rolleyes: And then Gil, lying through his teeth and still pegging the proper wolves in the end...

Fantastic.

Great job, everybody.

[Gil-Galad]

Holby, you should have seen B88 and I cracking up that you'd nailed all three wolves by accident in your first goofy post. First post of the game, and the Seer's pegged everyone. :rolleyes: And then Gil, lying through his teeth and still pegging the proper wolves in the end...


i was like the best seer without the seer powers... to be honest i went over most of the past posts and found mith and holby most innocent, while kath and captain were wolves. i knew captain was a wolf for sure when he first stated i was a wolf when i was innocent... so i played along with it and went as a seer

[CaptainofDespair]

Excellent game, all of you!

Kath, take some credit for yourself! Without you, I could not have pulled off the double lynch to end the game. And you did suggest leaving Mithalwen alive, who turned out to be very useful towards that end. :)

Gil, you misunderstand my motives. I had no intention of living past the lynching. You were my target of wolfdom because I figured on you reacting in a necessary fashion to get lynched with me (though, I did not think you'd go fake Seer on me).

Holby, excellent Seer'ing! Nothing more to say than that. :)

Fea, Boro: Great modding! I especially loved that last narration!

[Gil-Galad]

Gil, you misunderstand my motives. I had no intention of living past the lynching. You were my target of wolfdom because I figured on you reacting in a necessary fashion to get lynched with me (though, I did not think you'd go fake Seer on me).



i only did that because i knew you were playing off of my reactionary methods... so to spice it up i put you more on the spot, or at least attempted too, i think about what i say more then you all think i do... i am an actor at heart so i know how to play my roles...

[Holbytlass]

Holby, you should have seen B88 and I cracking up that you'd nailed all three wolves by accident in your first goofy post. First post of the game, and the Seer's pegged everyone. :rolleyes:
LOL!! I forgot about that. maybe the seer-role is actually rubbing off on me since it is my 473rd time :D. Did it startle you wolves?

Now I don't feel too bad because wolves did win but SpM would have lasted longer at least in dreams but they killed off so many in the beginning. There were handful of people that I had never played and would have dreamt of them. Besides, I really was looking for a friend....
Thanks Phantom for backing me up even though it cost you your life.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Congrats, guys. :)

[CaptainofDespair]

Did it startle you wolves?


Truthfully? A little. I wasn't expecting someone to put all three of us in one post. You felt odd to me, right off the bat for that. But I couldn't explain it.

And I suspect that's why I guessed you were the Seer when we wolves chose Lal as our kill. I mentioned your quietness being our doom, as you'd be a more dangerous Seer than any more vocal player. But we went with Lal, and you killed Sauce the next day.

Though, I would not change it now, knowing what happens. I enjoyed our little game of "Who is the Real Seer" far too much. :)

[Mithalwen]

I'll get it tested first I promise. But don't sell yourself short Mith, had I actually been able to be around those couple of Days your prediction that I'd be more involved would have been entirely true.


I guess you should never ease up on the paranoia.... After the ducks game I always suspected you but then there were so many when you were the busy innocent that I relaxed thought your oops I forgot ..routine was a bit convenient ... unfortunately everyone else I had thought probably innocent - Dury, Menel, Shasta, Phantom, had been proved so by their deaths ~I had thought my instincts were good this time. Also if I had played it safe and voted, and chosen CofD...I really honestly don't think I would have tried to lynch you today... Gil was really not behaving like an innocent..to put it mildly.... heigh ho....

[Kath]

thought your oops I forgot ..routine was a bit convenient
And yet completely true. I got woken up early so mum could take us out for a walk and lunch and it wasn't until we left the cafe that I realised I was supposed to be at home on the computer!

I really honestly don't think I would have tried to lynch you today.
I am very pleased to hear it. It would have been nice to go on an extra Day, except that I hate being a wolf by myself.

[Mithalwen]

Well at least we can enjoyt he weekend..thought I finally have my "new" car ..playing WW when you have no home access and no transport was a nightmare.....

[The Saucepan Man]

I cannot believe that Holby was the Seer again! :eek: ;)

The first time that I modded, she was the Seer and also the first time that I was a Wolf, and I think that she has been a Seer two other times as well. When I was a Wolf, by sheer chance, we killed her the first Night. So, at least she got a chance to wreak her vengeance upon me this time round.

A short but sweet game, and congratulations to my fellow Wolves. I could not believe it when I logged on on Day 3 to see that you had left Holby alive. A bold strategy, but one which paid off (albeit with a little help from the wild card that is Gil-Galad :D).

Congratulations also to the villagers, and particularly Holby, since you rallied well after a shaky start. I knew that I had little chance of surviving once you revealed and outed me as a Wolf, Holby, but I had to give it a go. As phantom rightly observed, it would have been too much of a coincidence to declare myself as the Seer (although it would have made four Seer declarations in the game), so I pinned my hope on the cautious "real Seer" approach.

I shall post our Wolfish plotting from Nights 1 and 2 as, with Kath absent for Night 1, there is not too much of it. That, I hope, will explain our kill choices on both those Nights and also why I felt unable to go for the quadruple lynch at the end of Day 2.

In the meantime, many thanks to Fea and Boro for modding such a great game. I must admit that I was somewhat daunted to be a Wolf yet again, as I had less time available to me than I would have liked (hence my relative quietness). But it was great fun nonetheless.

[The Saucepan Man]

Greetings fellow Wolves. [Smilie]

Well that went rather well, didn't it? Completely fortuitous of course. I had no idea about Mith's vote when I cast mine and fully expected at least one of the other three votes to come in before the deadline.

I might come under some pressure for having caused the tie, but Mith's in the same boat, and I can quite genunely disavow any intention to create a tie.

So, who to kill?

It doesn't look like the Seer had a dream before the game begun, although we can't be sure. Assuming not, however, it will be difficult to find any Seer clues in the Day 1 proceedings. I certainly have no idea.

My first instinct is to do away with the phantom, as he is such a danger. But he would expect me to go for him, so leaving him be might help get him on my side. If he is the Seer, he is quite likely to dream of me, but that would at least help us spot him. In any event, I would prefer to leave him alive for now. If he's not the Seer, I think that I can probably build up a rapport with him, which would work greatly in out favour.

Mith's a possibility, as she has a knack of spotting a Wolfish Sauce, but I think that I would be able to tell if she was the Seer. Lal's also a possibility, but I haven't played with her before, so would prefer to keep her alive.

Gil and Shasta we should leave, unless they exhibit Seer tendencies, as they are distinct lynch possibilities for the erratic behaviour and quietness. No point in killing Holby, as she is away for Day 2.

Which I think leaves Brinniel, who I think is a distinct possibility for our kill. She didn't say a lot, voted Menel, and she could even be the Seer. She would be my pick, but would like to hear your thoughts.

With best wishes from your partner in crime.

So, Holby's Day 2 absence put her out of the running for the Night 1 kill and I must admit that I saw nothing Seerish in her Day 1 contributions. It seems that I was wrong and that she had already had a dream, and dreamed of me, before the game started. She did well not to give it away, as we would probably have gone for her on Night 1 had there been any indication that she thought me a Wolf. Her first post, naming all three Wolves, I took to be mere early game banter, and so didn't really think much more of it until I tried to use it on Day 3.

I'll agree to that idea. I'm not really picking up any sort of feeling from anyone else at the moment, and I doubt I will since it is only Day/Night 1.

If nothing else strikes me in the time from the sending of this message to the near-end of the Night, I'll surely be on-board for killing Brinniel tonight.

OK, unless Kath has any strong views, I'll PM Brinniel's name to Fea and B88 about an hour before the deadline.

Any thoughts on strategy? Given what happened on Day 1, I suggest simply playing it by ear again. I accused you both early on yesterDay with a view to distancing us. I might continue toMorrow if the opportunity presents itself and it doesn't look like either of you are in danger of being lynched. Of course, if either of you are in serious danger of being lynched I won't hesitate to vote for you. [Wink]

Then again, you should do the same if the roles are reversed.

Other than that, I guess it's just a matter of holding our collective nerve and keeping an eye out for the Seer. I'm going to try to get the phantom on side. Gil and Shasta are probably our best bets for lynch victims, though we shouldn't be too obvious about it. I might have a pop at Lal too, given her suggestion that, had she voted, she wouldn't have broken the tie.

On another subject, I wonder which of us is which in the narratives. I suspect that Kath was the one who claimed the prophetic dream, while CoD and I did away with Legate and Menel. [Big Grin]

Adios amigos.Well, I was wrong about the narrative. Seemingly, it was me who claimed to have the prophetic dream. I loved that final narrative, by the way, Fea. :)

Well, that's it for Night 1 plotting. Brinniel was chosen as she left little trail, and also on the off-chance that she might have been the Seer. I, for one, could see no clear clues as to the Seer's identity on Day 1.

Oh and, as I said, that triple tie was sheer luck. But it couldn't have gone better, had I tried. :D

[The Saucepan Man]

Another good day at the coal face.

ToMorrow, we will be facing 4 innocents, and we may even get the Seer toNight if we are lucky.

I'm a bit annoyed with cross-posting with the phantom on that last minute vote, as I would have preferred to have killed Lal to Shasta. But I couldn't risk looking like I was trying to create another multiple lynch, and I couldn't look like I trusted phantom too much either.

I could, of course, have gone for the mutliple tie and possibly ended the game then and there, but where would the fun have been in that? [Wink]

So, toNight's kill? Any ideas on who might be the Seer? It looks like Lal was thinking Mith might be, but I don't see it myself. I shall have to review, but it doesn't look like the Seer has spotted one of us yet.

I would prefer to leave the phantom alive for now, unless anyone thinks he might be the Seer. I can't see it myself, but I wouldn't put it past Fea to confer Seership on him. Other than that, my current thinking is either Mithalwen or Lalwende. I would lean towards Mith, as she has attracted very little suspicion, whereas Lal has been under more pressure. And who knows, perhaps Lal is right about her being the Seer.

Any thoughts?

~The Saucepan Wolf~

PS I am unlikely to be around at the deadline tomorrow so would one of you be able to send the kill choice to Fea and Boro? If not, I will have to send them the kill choice early.Still hadn't spotted Holby as the Seer, although that's probably 'cos she hadn't posted anything more in the meantime.

[B]Bad Wolf!

Sauce, we had it!

Victory was so close! A Quintuple lynch, plus our kill tonight would have meant easy pickings the next day.

*sulks*

I'm disappointed in your lack of "go get 'em" spirit. [Wink]The possibility of the quadruple/quintuple lynch did of course occur to me. Given the opportunity, I would have thought long and hard about it. But it would have been terribly unsporting (and Nogrod would most definately have disapproved :D). Still, phantom played well there and effectively denied me the opportunity, or at least made me risk looking very Wolfish if I went for it and failed.

Hehe. I'm playing the 'long game'. Which hopefully means wrapping up the victory toMorrow. [Big Grin]

But seriously, with phantom holding his vote right 'til the end, I couldn't risk it. Had he voted for one of those who already had a vote, I would have ended up looking very Wolfish.

We do really need to kill the Seer toNight though, if we can. There is a good chance that he or she will dream of one of us toNight, which will cause us problems toMorrow if he/she is still alive.

Our choices are as follows:

Gil
Holby
phantom
Mithalwen
Lalwende

I find it very unlikely that Gil is the Seer, unless he was being very clever with that vote for Boro.

It's possible that Holby is the Seer, but it would be practically impossible to spot her with her being out of the action toDay. I do think that her opening post of Day 1 was probably too bold for a Seer, though.

If phantom was the Seer, I am almost certain that he would have dreamed of me on Night 1, as he would want to know whether to trust me or not.

Which leaves Mith and Lal. Mith suspected Lal and Holby and voted for the latter. She did not give any indication that she thought anyone innocent. I would expect a Seer to leave some kind of a hint in case she was killed.

Lal, on the other hand, posted favourably about Kath, me and Mithalwen. It wouldn't surprise me if, as a Seer, she dreamed of Mithalwen on Night 1.

So I am now leaning towards killing Lal, as the most likely Seer.

Would welcome your thoughts, though.

I'm currently leaning towards Lal or Holby as good kill prospects. Mithalwen does not seem too...threatening...at the moment.

Lal is certainly a good target, since she is rather vocal. But her posts seem to be...less and less helpful to the village. She seems to be playing the middle ground, able to backtrack when needed, perhaps hoping we don't see her as a Seer (if she is one, of course)

Holby's quietness would make her an excellent pick, since there is no decent trail to trace back to us. And if she is the Seer, perhaps her silence will be more dangerous in the long run. In leaving her alive because she has been unavailable, she could return with a fair amount of dream-knowledge in tow. This, if she has anything, could lead to one or more of us meeting a quick demise.

That of course is speculation, as there is little there to put to analysis.

For now, I'll say we can go with putting Lal under the maw. If I think of anything else, or this "decision" changes, I'll let you know.

Oh, and I can send the mods our decision tomorrow morning before I leave for work. Just make sure to let me know well before 7:30am EST. I leave for work right around that time.Bah! If only I had gone with CoD's instincts, we would have got the Seer on Night 2. But Lal looked more Seerish to me. And I must admit that the fact that Holvy has been the Seer so many times played on my mind. That and her bold first post, which you can see played an important part in my thinking. Had I known that she had dreamed before Day 1, it might have influenced me more the other way.

OK, I'm happy with killing Lal. Looking back over the thread, I think there's a good chance that she is the Seer.

Just to be sure, I shall PM Fea and Boro now and tell them that our kill will be Lalwende, unless they hear any
different from either of you two before the deadline. I wouldn't want to risk missing our kill.

As I won't be on-line again before Day 3 starts, here's something that I wanted to mention. It's fairly obvious, but I'll say it anyway. All we need toMorrow is one innocent to vote for another innocent and, if we add our three votes, we have won.

Good luck, my friends. [Smilie]I knew that, if Lal wasn't the Seer, there was a good chance that one of us would have been spotted by the Seer and that, given the situation, the Seer would probably reveal. I also knew that there was a reasonable chance that it would be me who was unmasked. But I was also fairly sure at that point that Lal was the Seer. :rolleyes:

I shall have to leave it to Kath or CoD to reveal their Night 3 plotting.

[The Saucepan Man]

Oops! I forgot these ones:

Hi! My apologies for not being around nightly since this began, just a bit of bad timing. May I just say though, congratulations so far! A triple innocent lynch Day 1, incredible!

As to toNight, I'd be happy with killing Lal. I've read over the posts from the last two Days and Mith doesn't look Gifted to me, though she may have learnt to cover it better, and Holby hasn't been around enough to gain much of a view on her. So yes, Lal is good.

Let's just hope this luck continues!

Hey Kath, good to have you back with us. :)

OK, I have PM'd the Mods and asked them to take Lal as our kill unless they hear differently from one of you before the deadline.

So, if you have any major brainwave and both agree on an alternative kill, I am happy to go along with it.

If not, and you get the opportunity Captain, it may be worth confirming Lal as our kill anyway before you head off for work.

No particular strategy for toMorrow, other than to pile all of our the votes on to any innocent that another innocent votes for. If Lal's not the Seer, and the real Seer dreams of one of us and reveals, it could get tricky. But let's not panic if that happens. We may have to sacrifice one of our number in that situation, but at least those that remain will know who the Seer is.

All the best. :smokin:

[the phantom]

Fun game, everyone. A pity it was shortened by that day one fiasco.

CoD... that was bold. And you played it well. You really sold it. I'm not terribly familiar with your playing style, and so I wasn't sure what to think for a while. I wrestled with it and banged my head against the wall. I did, after long thought, side with Holby- primarily because I did not believe that SPMWolf would advocate the strategy we had witnessed the day before if Holby had indeed been a WW. But know that I was not 100% certain. There was doubt, so I pat you on the back for creating uncertainly about something that there should have been no uncertainty about.

That last day really threw my suspicions for a loop. Going into the final day my primary suspects were Mith and Kath. Not that I thought you to be completely innocent, CoD, but I was more suspicious of the other two. But as the last day unfolded, your Seer announcement and the reactions surrounding it bumped Mith off my suspect list and placed you on it, but then Gil quite forcefully elbowed his way onto the suspect list, which bumped Kath into the innocent column.

I can't tell you how badly I wanted to jump on and post all throughout the day! I didn't think for a minute that I wouldn't be alive for the fun. Leave me alive next time! :D

[CaptainofDespair]

Leave me alive next time! :D

Perhaps we will.

Though, I did get a good degree of satisfaction in choosing you as my target that last night. ;)

[Mithalwen]

That last day really threw my suspicions for a loop. Going into the final day my primary suspects were Mith and Kath. Not that I thought you to be completely innocent, CoD, but I was more suspicious of the other two. But as the last day unfolded, your Seer announcement and the reactions surrounding it bumped Mith off my suspect list and placed you on it, but then Gil quite forcefully elbowed his way onto the suspect list, which bumped Kath into the innocent column.



You comfort me. Gil was so obviously lying about being a seer that it seemed impossible he was innocent .. so Kath was able to slip through. :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Note One: All roles were selected by a random number generator I found online. My only real role as mod was to write up narratives and keep my inbox clear. As for writing...

I tried very hard not to leave any clues in the stories. It's obnoxious, trying to avoid 'he' as the universal pronoun when you know the village will jump on the mod-slip first thing in the Morning...

My favorite bit of it was the end. I took one look at the solitary Kath mourning her lost pack in the graveyard and wanted to go back and edit every single post to better accomodate that one image. The premise would have been more in the style of Heinlein's work (though hopefully better written :smokin:) with the wolf pack representing the communist threat...

Oh, it would have been great...

I could still do it, I suppose... Recreate the story around the premise that the wolves are trying to convert all the world into one loving cooperative For the Greater Good pack...

[Mithalwen]

Oh, I shouldn't tell you this Sauce, but it is when you are a cobbler I find you easiest to spot.... you don't seem quite so convincing when you don't know whose side you are on..... :p

Great narrations by both mods.... modding is somuch more fun than playing...

The Mithamegalomaniac

[Boromir88]

Well after dipping my hand into modding, I must say it was great fun. I just wish I could be more committed on a daily basis so I could do it 'full time' :D

Also, I would like to tell the Wolves just excellent job, I really loved the tricks and games all three of you played. I wondered the same thing as Holby...why isn't she dead? But your plan was just so cunning and so evil I really wanted you wolves to pull it off. :)

[Lalwendë]

That was rather good fun :D Though disappointingly short for me this time around. So when's the next game then???!!!

I am now aware of how sneakily Sauce plays, which shall be useful in future (mua-ha-ha) and am more scared than ever of Phantom and Kath. I knew Mithalwen was innocent though, so my instincts proved correct there at least!

[the phantom]

and am more scared than ever of Phantom and Kath
Well, Kath I understand seeing as she devoured our village, but me? I was but a simple Ordo. CoD was the other devil.

[Kath]

That was rather good fun :D Though disappointingly short for me this time around. So when's the next game then???!!!

I am now aware of how sneakily Sauce plays, which shall be useful in future (mua-ha-ha) and am more scared than ever of Phantom and Kath. I knew Mithalwen was innocent though, so my instincts proved correct there at least!
Mwaha! Lal is truly hooked now. :D Hope you do live longer next game, I'd love a chance to play with you properly without that pesky being on opposite sides and trying to kill each other thing.