Tol-In-Gaurhoth XXXVIII - E.T.T.T.S.O.W.I.

[Gil-Galad]

Welcome to the thrilling WereWolf Chapter 38: Tol-In-Gaurhoth XXXVIII - Escape to the Terrible Secret of Werewolf Island!


The sun simmered on the horizon through the glare of the dining room windows and the boat was gently swaying with the current. it was Dinner time on the S.S. Mr. Adventure and all the guests were sitting down eating and being served by the crew. well by all the guest i mean 9 indiviuals and by crew i mean the burly Captain. El Gil was his name. His name has been passed down for generations though he was not spanish. His ancestors depised the spanish and it made them happy to pass down a spanish name. They weren't highly reconized in their village but they made there lives there and continued on. back at the Dining room, there was discussion all about. Meneltarmacil was trying to explain the latest theory to Xyzzy, but he would not listen because there is no possible way parachute pants attract Martian Ants to come land. Meanwhile Thinlomien and Shastanis Althreduin were lsot in conversation of what the next best flower is too wear while deciding which flamamble liquid is good too use on burning fur coats that is friendly to the environment, while susie was staring blindly into the conversation trying to add in her childhood knowledge of goats when it can be used. On the other end of the dining hall Nogrod and Legate continue to stare at each other because of their different political agendas leaving Macalaure in an awkward position as Brinniel was spraying baby seals coats with spray paint while writing down her next anti-war leaflet at the same time.

El Gil then came out of the kitchen wiping his hands. "my dear guests! my lovely Peeko the Parrot tells me that we have a storm coming in, so i suggest you take in this horizon before the clouds come in!" everyone then looks over to the window when there was a loud crash and the lights went sharply out only to have then flicker back on moments later. everyone began looking around in surprise.

"have no fear! its just the generator, she may be an old ship that has been stuck in 6 hurricanes, 3 giant squid attacks, 5 or 6 mutinies, 3 wars, but she is sturdy, though going through 23 tsunamis, 5 mine explosions, 12 holes in the hull, a evil nazi-experiment plot and the Reconquista she is a tought lass!"

everyone then began to settle down, but for some reason nobody felt inclined to eat anymore. The sun began to sink as everyone left the dining hall for there bunks to settle down for the night.

The storm came quicker then Peeko squaked about and the S.S. Mr. Adventure began swaying faster and faster as El Gil the captain was manning the helm by himself. The guests were having a troubled sleep, but each of them eventually drifted off.

they were suddenly woken as the PA system buzzed on with voices over it
"...are you talking about? i know nothing of them!"
"do...fools old man, we know..."
"they can see you coming a...away!"
"...you do know then! let us...him then find the boss"
"...what!... no! they will survive just..."

the PA system then buzzes out as the lights go off again and great lurching of the ship begins and creeking all about...then a loud noise is heard and the ship is shook hard... everyone fades to black...


NIGHT ONE BEGINS! HENCHMAN MAY BEGIN DISCUSSING! BODYGUARD AND SUPER SCIENTIST MAY ALSO TALK! ENJOY MY DEARIES! PEEKO SAYS HI!

[Side note: yes i know originally that bodyguard and Super scientist had no knowledge of each other, but i messed up and accidently told them both of each other, but all the other rules still stand to there most recent altering![/end side note]

[Gil-Galad]

The sun came creeping in as bodies began to stir about on the sand. it was mid morning and it was hot. As everyone began to walk away from the wreckage they looked around. they were on an island. around the shore there were rocks of many sizes and 20 feet from the coast line there was a line of dense jungle, which reaches all the way to the bottom of a single mountain standing jagged in the middle of the island, next to that mountain was a small hill with something in the middle of it, but it was too far to judge exactly from this distance.

One by one the survivors struggled from the wreckage and got to a big rock just about halfway from the water to the trees. "what had happened?" thinlomien asked as Nogrod began trying to empty his head of water. "must have been one heck of a storm... but for some reason that isn't troubling me" Legate stated as he walked up to the group. "then it wasn't just me that heard that... i wonder what it was all about" Brinniel said asking around. Macalaure then blurted out loud "hey! wheres the captain!?" everyone began looking around, but they did not see El Gil anywhere. "alright everyone is here, lets look for Gil, hopefully he washed up on shore with the rest of us too" Shastanis Althreduin said to the agreeing nods of the survivors.

As everyone began looking around, Susielooked over and saw Peeko standing on the other side of a piece of the boat. Susieran around and eyes widen with horror. "i found him!" Susieyelled as she remained motionless. Xyzzy was the first to reach Susieand he too remained shocked. everyone came up and each of them saw the horror.

Upon the bow of the S.S. Mr.Adventure, there was El Gil pinned on it with the Bowmast sticking through his chest and Peeko on his shoulder.
"bawk. no you henchman bawk!" Peeko squacked.
"Hey listen to that bird!" Meneltarmacil said.
"bawk! the super science doctor will survive! bawk!"
"what is that bird talking about?" Nogrod stated but was quickly hushed by everyone else so they can listen to the bird.
"bawk! secret bodyguard will protect and revenge. bawk!"
the survivors began staring at the bird as it continued its rant
"Bawk! villain about. but no knows henchman! Peeko knows! Peeko knows! Bawk!"

"am i hearing that bird right? this was murder and we have the murderers with us right now!?" Legate said to the survivors
"Thats what the bird is saying... but what can we do to protect us incase we are killed again?" macalaure asked puzzling.
"well i guess we got to decide amongst ourselves and choose who we each think is one of these henchman and villain!" legate said after a period of silence. everyone looked at Legate awkwardly.
"...what? oh don't worry my comrades i love open ideas!" legate quickly responded after understanding there confusion.
"then i guess we will make a vote at the end of every day and decide who lives or dies... so that we can avenge the captains death." Brinniel stated and every nodded with agreement, though most reluctantly.
"bawk! rescue comes! who survives? Peeko knows! bawk!" Peeko squacked out as it began to fly high above the island and the everyone began to head inland towards the island.

DAY ONE BEGINS! HENCHMAN AND SPECIALS STOP TALKING! EVERYONE MAY NOW BEGIN TALKING! ENJOY!

Players:
1 - Meneltarmacil - Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist
2 - Shastanis Althreduin - a tree-hugging, fur coat-burning, hardcore animal activist
3 - Thinlómien - young and idealistic hippie maiden with flowers in her hair.
4 - Nogrod - tight upper lip conservative
5 - Macalaure - student activist
6 - Brinniel - the hypocritical peace activist who goes to all extremes
7 - Xyzzy - Fully commercialized drone.
8 - Volo - Susie, the daughter of a random goat herder in some far-away valley, who doesn't know a thing about popular culture, is a good idea.
9 - Legate - an open-minded progressive Comrade

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I saw how that bird was treated, and I for one am happy he's free of that horrible old man. You know I peeked in his room once. There was a cage.

...A CAGE. Honestly. Can you believe it? That poor parrot stuffed into a cage to while away his days like so much trash, except for the times he's paraded about like a possession. Ooh, it makes me so mad!

I'm going to go meditate. Call me if you find something.

[Nogrod]

Oh my... I thought that electing that Kennedy guy for president was the liberal nightmare! Stuck in an island with bloodthirsty henchmen and a tracherous villain - obviously commies the whole bunch - with these hippies and what not... God, do I really deserve this?

All right people. Order. That's what we need. Order. I'm afraid meditating isn't going to get us out from the trouble.

And clear rules are needed. For instance, what happens if the villain dies? Do the henchmen go on with their atrocities even if their boss is dead? Is the balance of innocents vs. baddies counted only by the henchmen or will the villain be added to the count as well? If the henchmen all die the villain looks to me to be left powerless and we will win our lives, right? Or do we have to get her/him too?

Does that odd parrot have answers or do we have to just rely on guesswork?

Oh how I hate mess and untidy situations... Ordnung muss sein.

[Brinniel]

I for one am not comfortable with the idea of there being murderers among us. But really...is this vote to decide who dies thing completely necessary? Couldn't we just vote to lock someone up?

Already one death has occurred. We should avoid letting anymore blood be spilled.

MAKE PEACE NOT VIOLENCE!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Just wait a little, Comrades. All ideas are welcome, but we must progress systematically.

First, we should make a central commitee. Who of you, Comrades, is in the Party? Don't tell me that no one is. All right, I guess we have to skip this step. I see, Comrades, that we are really a nice company here. We have proletarians, peasants - right, Comrade Susie - even brain power, is that right, Comrade Macalaure... the trouble is that we have these subversive elements among us. Those... henchmen and villain or whatever they are called. Yes, the henchmen of the reactionary powers. They want to kill a super science doctor! That speaks for everything.

But we must not let ourselves down, Comrades! We are going to line out a three-day plan, and we are going to find the villain and the henchmen, and fulfil the plan by 150%!

Now, Comrade Shasta. Please don't just sit and... whatever you do. From each according to his ability, but don't tell me your only ability is to... sleep or whatever you do.

On the other hand, I am very pleased with you, Comrade Nogrod. There's only that unfortunate background of yours, but otherwise, your attention is really a progressive one. You see, we cannot accept you right to the Party. But if you showed some interest, let's say, prepared some nice transparent for the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, I could put in a word for you.
The questions you pose will be, no doubt, answered soon. Personally, though without the final word from Kremlin I cannot say that for sure, I am inclined to think that the henchmen, out of pure reactionary intentions, are going to continue in their attacks even after we manage to catch their leader. However, all this situation looks very complicated and I believe more clarification would help us. Perhaps the bird, however strange it is, could be of some help in this aspect.

Comrade Brinniel. We have horrible monsters among us, who will not stop with terrorizing us until we lynch them out. It is the time to raise our arms, Comrades, and do something about it. Just sitting is not going to do the job. I'm afraid some blood needs to be spilled, Comrade Brinniel. But don't worry, it will be only the blood of traitors!

So let us give everyone the chance to speak now, and then we'll know more.

[Thinlómien]

Peace. Flowers. Freedom. Happiness. Hey guys, you should listen to Brinniel. She's got the thing! Let's not lynch anybody! Let's just discuss in friendship and love. See, I've got some mushrooms...

I'm slightly confused about the deadline and the duration of the Day and Night periods. Why was last Night just 12h? Was it an exception, or are we having short Days&Nights? Which one is the deadline? 6pm or am my time?

But hey, everyone's a little confused after a few mushrooms... Anyone want to have a mushroom? We can be confused together and not bother about these henchmen and villains at all. We can be just happy and grow some weed and decorate ourselves with flowers. Doesn't that sound nice?

I guess I can now state the obvious since no one else has done it yet. Please talk, dear friends (and have some mushrooms), no one should be silent. The evil people can hide in silence (evil people? every single human being is born good and happy and freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........... wait. Are these henchmen and villains just humans? For surely orcs or werewolves or such can be evil. Evil like the bosses of big anti-environmentalist companies who kill happy singing birds and make little children unhappy... now what was I originally talking about?) and the vocal people will just kill one another. Not a nice future vision, unless all we vocal people are henchmen - which should be matemathically impossible. You don't need to post dozens of posts (though that is nice ;)), but could everybody please post something of substance during this game. It would help others to make some sense who's who.

Am I right that we have double-lynches? In that case we must be careful: double lynches aid the baddies easily to their victory, because what's better from their perspective than us villagers lynching not one, but two of our own? I do not say we should not do a double lynch in any situation, just that we should consider carefully before doing so.

Lastly, if I seem to have some obsession about watching Nogrod and Volo hypocritically, it's not because I've gone crazy (though that might be possible too... the mushrooms?) but because I've had bad experiences in recent games. (I've been fooled completely by those who I know from RL, even though one could assume it'd be easiest to spot the lies of those you know... :rolleyes: ) So, Volo and especially Noggie, you can prepare to being subjects to extra vigilance from my part.

[Meneltarmacil]

I know exactly what is going on here. You're all out to get me, every single one of you. Just how much is the government paying you for this?

You know, most of my ancestors died really early on whenever something like this came up. Do you really expect me to believe that it was just a coincidence?

Now I really don't know who to suspect first, however, all of you had better start talking. I don't trust anybody who's too silent.

[Nogrod]

If people just sticked to the family values nothing like this chaos would ever have ensued. We could just have the heads of the families to gather together and do away with the problem of those kids with too many liberties - who think they can do whatever they like and be "absolutely free", even free to play a henchman. Look at where it has lead us! The decadence of morals and sleepy idleness will be the downfall of us all so let's straighten our spine and stand firm like real men do.

Tavaritsh Legate speaks wisely - even if I disagree with him on principle as the worldview goes - when he calls for lynches and not just sitting around enjoying private trips to the psychedelic reaches of people's imagined inner universes of happines and freedom. We're in a grim reality which demands grim action and sticking to the shared patriotic values.

So let's get organised people and start searching for those spineless bead-cloathed vermins among us!

Let me throw a ball then as you seem to hesitate. My old friend McCarthy used to say that you never get the baddies if you don't use proactive tactics - a pre-emptive strike is what we need.

So why is Lommy here so keen to call for extra vigilance to look after myself and Susie who (with the added exception of Xyzzy) are the only odd people out here? Wouldn't it be perfect tactics from the part of the hippie-commie-villains to call for the execution of those ideologically different from the rest of the folks? The baddies would love to lull all the rest of you tree lovers and revisionists to believe in a cozy future with all people agreeing on the basic valueliberal-socialdemocratic ideas and then ruthlessly kill you during the Nights...

So I would like to return the compliment to the flower girl: CIA is watching you girlie.

[Macalaure]

Everything that our present situation communicates to us is, regarding so-called villains and their henchmen, the ongoing and increased undermining of the capitalist society and its decay into decadence. We need to take measures against this further development and put an end to it in the most immediate future, because otherwise the effect of inaction will result in intolerable consequences for not only our small separated community here, but for human society as a whole. We need to take actions now, and even though I do not appreciate violence for violence's sake, and in a more ideal world it should not be needed at all, we may not forego violence by principle, for this will leave us to these new capitalist outgrowths without shelter and surrender opportunity to them instead of us, which will lead only to our own diminuition. It will largely depend on our own will and sharpness of mind to manoeuvre us out of this most dire environment.

Ordnung muss sein? Although I agree that rules be necessary, this intense desire for order appears exceedingly suspicious to me. The call for order seems to stem from the deep-felt wish of the establishment to sustain their decadent way of life and their willingness to resort even to the most reactionary means to sustain just this! We would therefore only strengthen the source of where our real problems issue from, were we to follow this advice.

I say that, if we want to free ourselves from the villain and his or her henchman, we first have to free ourselves from the oppression that establishment exercises over true freedom and justice. Let us take action now against the forces of the reaction and its representatives presently at hand here!

Let's lynch Nogrod! Let's lynch Nogrod!


*Macalaure keeps on chanting, ignoring the obvious lack of broad approval*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

*head raises*

Oppression? WHERE?! There had better not be fur involved.

I would dearly love to know why my fellow animal lover, Thinlomien, cautions vigilance against Susie (who has yet to speak) and Nogrod (though I must protest such a conservatory nature!). Shed some light, dear one?

Oh, and I'll take a mushroom.

[Nogrod]

Now let's see the way this agitator works his foul ways!

Yes, I do admit there is a deep ideological divide between my reasonable persona and this Macalaure-fellow here, but there is something more unnerving as well. It looks like my predictions are coming true.

Look at the unashamed plea for the masses! "Let's pick the ideological adversary and feel good together... so that we baddies can stab you rest dead while you're asleep".

Listen to me you hippies and commies! You may have the numbers of the crowd but I have the Right and Justice in my view. I will not be threatened by these self-made agitators. And I do advice you others to start think with your own good ol' conservative minds inherited from your ancestors.

Just check this student activist and the way he enters the discussion.

His points are based purely on ideological matters - and there's nothing bad in that in itself, what else can we do with this few persons taking part in the discussion?

But all of his post is just a build up for what he wishes to accomplish. He wishes to get rid of someone who could stand as a voice of reason and family values around here. All that stuff is meant to twist your minds to make your choises toDay along the partylines, not based on any actual suspicions. That's the communist propaganda in it's purest form!

Look especially at the last point: *Macalaure keeps on chanting, ignoring the obvious lack of broad approval* The underlined portion tells it all. Why to say something like that if not trying to underline your claimed - not real - innocense? He tries to make a claim and to further the discussion why you should lynch the people differing from you on ideological standpoints (which in this village might suit him and his fellows just fine) but simultaneously distracts himself from it via this subterfuge. After this - if he succeeds and I'm lynched - he can claim that he never had the idea of actually suspecting me or believing that his "modest" contribution would make any difference... :rolleyes:

Just look at it yourselves. And if you happen to make the bad choice, look at what I said after that.

Okay. I'm off to sleep now and will be very busy when I wake up. I will be back at the last hour - I try to sneak in before that but I'm not sure I can - and wish to see a lot of contributions before it (and I do hope I have time to read them through as well before I need to vote).

Just as a very early summary.

Macalaure's way of entering the Day made all my alarm-bells ring. I'm also a bit worried about Lommy, but her words may be those of an innocent Lommy as well.

With Brinn I just have bad vibes even if there's nothing to pin it down with. Somehow it's the way how she so casually hides behind the ideology (role). The same might be said of Shasta and Menel, I admit, but somehow.

(Add: Shasta's last post is just a way too conciliatory - if Lommy is innocent.)

Anyhow. For the sake of a fair game I'd be ready to vote also for someone who hides in the shadows on this Day1 - if there be such persons as the Day draws near the end and if there are no better cases to be made. This sure is an early speculation but as I will be able to come back only late toDay I thought I'd need to make that clear as well.

[Volo]

Umm... Hello strangers. I come as the sun wakes, as there is no clock of any kind in my posession. I'm not even sure what a clock is... Though grandma tells stories of big cities with three clocks in them!

What evil is breaking our peace here? They're not wolves, right? Because my great grandfather was said to have wed a werewolf...

Oh, I've never seen anybody talk so much before as this Nogrod. Why do you use so many and so wierd words? In our village you are disrespected for using more than ten letters in a sentence.

Forget what I said, I'm just showing my existance without putting any reason to it. I'm off to pick some edible mushrooms.

[Gil-Galad]

And clear rules are needed. For instance, what happens if the villain dies? Do the henchmen go on with their atrocities even if their boss is dead? Is the balance of innocents vs. baddies counted only by the henchmen or will the villain be added to the count as well? If the henchmen all die the villain looks to me to be left powerless and we will win our lives, right? Or do we have to get her/him too?



"bawk! kill henchman villain powerless bawk! nothing for villain to do without henchman bawk! Henchmane angry is boss dies bawk!" Peeko squacked above

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good, Comrades, I just realized that my schedule today as a working man does not allow me to be here before the end of the day, and this is probably the last time I can contribute today. And unfortunately, I don't have much time on my hands even now, so I have to make it brief.

Comrade Shasta says almost nothing, and that's not good, Comrades. We don't need no idleness when there are dangerous elements lurking around. Might be as well that she is one of them, also with her particularly jumpy turn against Comrade Lommy (OOC: some things sound just terrible if combined :D ). It seems to me that Comrade Lommy's presumptions against Comrade Nogrod were not aimed to provoke any bandwaggoning, they were just statement of facts. The same I don't think Comrade Nogrod's reaction to that is corresponding to it. However I believe this is just a misunderstanding in both cases and there are not any other intentions behind that.

While I do appreciate Comrade Macalaure's agitative attitude, I would suggest to wait with the case of Comrade Nogrod. We all know his background is very unfortunate, but I suggest we give him a chance, at least when he is trying to help, or seems like that at least. We cannot afford any mistakes, Comrades. It is true that the lurking reaction could reveal itself in Comrade Nogrod later, but I believe there are better suspects now than him. And these are those who avoid discussion, Comrades. Yes, they avoid discussion at all, like Comrade Xyzzy over there.

Others who get me worried? For example Comrade Thinlómien. It's rather unfortunate that most of the young, perspective people here are not in the Communist Youth Union, you see, Comrades. This could not end well. I mean, Comrades, where should they get the right education about the socialistic morale. Mushrooms, Comrades. But that's not what troubles me the most about Comrade Thinlómien. As I said, I don't care about her presumtive - and I believe it's preventive - attitude towards Comrades Nogrod and Volo. But what I don't like is the sneaky attitude of posting "the obvious", as she said herself, along with the typical rambling on double-lynches. That's a poor omen, Comrades. And this:
Not a nice future vision, unless all we vocal people are henchmen - which should be matemathically impossible.
This sounds like saying both "If any of the others who spoke reveals to be a henchman, then I am not" and "I am vocal", thus giving herself a defence against further attacks against her on this base. But concerning "being vocal", you see, she did not say much.

Comrade Brinniel, Susie, and Menel spoke but said technically nothing. About them, I can't say anything positive, but not even negative. And that's really a little, Comrades. If we are to hope for better future, this is not going to help. I know, like we sing: Not every day begins with darkness and ends with sun, but I say, Comrades, that if we work together, we can make it. But we need everyone to join and participate with something more than just a few words about nothing.

So, I am probably going to vote early and now. Well, why not - a member of the Party should lead by example and vote first. I am thinking about those who are less vocal, or Comrade Shasta, who is the most suspicious for me probably now. With Comrade Thinlómien's case, I think we can wait a little, if she presents herself as the servant of the rotten reactionary powers. She spoke only once this far, and since I am not coming back today, I will not be here to ponder any further contributions from her.

Vote coming in a few minutes, if anyone is around and wants to react quickly, you have the chance.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, here it is, Comrades, I have to vote.

++товарищ шаста (I mean: Shasta)

Two posts about nothing, with single attack with not much basis just to appear engaged, combined with immediate back-in-role jump to take mushrooms from someone whom he just attacked does not sound good to me.

This is my decision, Comrades. And vote wisely, don't forget we have only one retraction per game!

[Brinniel]

I do not like how Nogrod repeatedly brings up that the more free-spirited of our bunch is most likely to be evil...seems like a very typical example of scapegoating..

Wouldn't it be perfect tactics from the part of the hippie-commie-villains to call for the execution of those ideologically different from the rest of the folks?
Yet he seems to be doing the very same thing... I wouldn't find it totally unlikely for a war-monger conservative like Nogrod to be a henchman.

Yet, while I do disagree on how he is going about his suspicions, I do actually agree with him on the matter of Mac. Mac is too quick to advocate for Nogrod's lynching without really enough evidence. For one, I don't see how wanting order makes him suspicious. This is actually something Nogrod makes sense at. We may not want some conservative close-minded government like he does, but complete anarchy would only end in violence as well. Mac has only spoken once so far...I'd like to see whether he pursues his campaign for lynching Nogrod.

As for Legate's vote, I can see where he is coming from. Taking from the one you accuse is never smart. But Shasta has said so little; I'm not sure if we should pounce on him just yet.

I apologise if anything I've said does not make complete sense...I am very tired and have had too many mushrooms...

[Thinlómien]

I would dearly love to know why my fellow animal lover, Thinlomien, cautions vigilance against Susie (who has yet to speak) and Nogrod (though I must protest such a conservatory nature!). Shed some light, dear one?

Oh, and I'll take a mushroom.*hands Shasta a mushroom* Note I did not caution extra vigilance against them, I only said I would keep an eye on them, for reasons stated in my previous post.

I'm a bit concerned about the state of the village. There's a lot of joking or reaction-provoking accusations around, but only a few serious accusations. I know it's just Day1, but...

Okay, here's what I think about you guys:

Nogrod - he's having too much fun, chattering endlessly and being all over the place. I think this behaviour points either to him being an ordo or him being the Villain. He himself has said that he likes the roles of an ordo and a cobbler the best, because then he can play relaxedly and have fun and this seems exactly like it. So I guess he's either ordo or the villain, but as it's matemathically more probable that he's an ordo and he has not shown any (at least any serious) signs of being evil, I won't vote him today (unless, of course, something happens that changes my opinion) and am not too worried - yet I will keep an eye on him.

Macalaure - I can't see anything particularly suspicious in his behaviour. It's slightly difficult to decipher if he feels like his normal self with all this role stuff, but I'm not too worried.

Legate - is one of the few people who've raised serious arguments this far. His vote on Shasta was a bit hasty&unreasoned, but it was probably the best vote one (regardless of is he innocent or not) could make in his situation, so... Legate doesn't seem very wolvish, but he doesn't strike me as particularly innocentish either.

Brinniel, Volo and Menel - Haven't posted almost anything, so difficult to judge. If I had to say something, I would say that I have vague bad feelings about Menel... but I seem to suspect him always... :rolleyes: Hey, people, I'll give you FREE MUSHROOMS if you talk more!

Shastanis Althreduin - falls into the same category with the three previous ones - except that I wonder why he didn't understand what I was saying but jumped on it. Seems like a mere misunderstanding, but you can never be sure.

Xyzzy - Oh, he's playing? Where's he? I could vote him toDay if he does not come here and contribute and I continue to be this unsure about the others. If we have no assurance he's going to be around, we could remove him on Day1 just to be sure. I mean, if he was silent through all the game and was a henchman and won this game because no one thought he could be one or we never wanted to use a lynch to kill him, I'm going to roll my eyes off. On the other hand, it's quite improbable that he's a wolf (don't wolves usually show more interest on the game?) and thus probably a waste of lynch and in a small village like this we shouldn't slaughter innocents too freely... Now I'm probably thinking this too far since there's still plenty of time for Xyzzy to show up toDay, so... But please do talk, Xyzzy, you can have a mushroom.

That was all? And there should be two wolves and a cobbler in that bunch? Uh-oh... I need to think...

EDIT:xed with Brinn

[Thinlómien]

Yet, while I do disagree on how he is going about his suspicions, I do actually agree with him on the matter of Mac. Mac is too quick to advocate for Nogrod's lynching without really enough evidence.This is the problem with roleplaying... :rolleyes: You think they both were serious. I thought neither of them was, they were just bantering/playing their roles. So...

[Meneltarmacil]

This is rather embarassing, but I really don't have much of anything to say. There just isn't enough out there for me to list any suspicions.

Plus, whenever I do post a vague thought of mine just to have something to talk about, everybody reads more into it than is actually there and winds up lynching me.

Legate has made a lot of good points and seems failry trustworthy. Suspecting the quiet ones is probably what I'd usually be doing around now as well.

Brinniel is a little worrisome with her misinterpretation of Macalaure's post, which was obviously a joke. Not that I think Macalaure's joke was completely harmless or anything, but Brinn did seem to be taking it a little too far.

[Macalaure]

Nogrod, you accuse me of pleading to the masses? Well, I will freely admit that I do! The masses need to be wakened to see the evil ways in which they are being oppressed and manipulated by the likes of you. You can defame the pure truth of my arguments as ideology, but that does not diminish their validity, and they will prevail in the end - once the public begins to see. My fellow students, and all people of this oppressed world, I indeed plead to you! Let Nogrod not put a veil over your eyes! See the truth he desires to conceal from you! Of Right and Justice he talks, but Profit and Obedience he means. Let us lynch him now before it is too late!

I do not like how Nogrod repeatedly brings up that the more free-spirited of our bunch is most likely to be evil...seems like a very typical example of scapegoating..Indeed! Indeed! You are on a good way to see through his web of lies and half-truths. He knows that he himself is the root of all evils. But, being a representative of the establishment, he wants to stay in power and therefore resorts to the cheap but effective tactic of turning others into scapegoats and false targets to distract from himself. Lynch him before it is too late!!


The Comrade of Amon Lanc makes some very good points at this early stage of our struggles against those in power. But that should not cause to decrease our caution about him! Even though much of what he says coincides with the truth, and even though we share a common class enemy, we should not forget that his real socialism is still only another form of oppression and we do not wish to exchange one oppressive system for another.

Let me say a few words about Lommy. These hippies are a sad story. They share our goals, they share our enemies, but they are gravely mistaken in the choice of their means. Preaching love and harmony is useless and dangerous against those who do not hesitate to deploy violence to achieve their ends. Only determined action can free us!

And keep in mind that mushrooms and such only serve to achieve acceptance of the intolerable social circumstances that we all find ourselves in. The establishment might condemn them, but secretly they are thankful for their existance.


Besides these truly fundamental points, also, as the Comrade of Amon Lanc has already noted, Lommy's extreme friendliness and stating of the more-or-less obvious does make one suspicious. I know it is not appreciated to suspect someone for being helpful, but helpfulness combined with obviousness is a little suspicious.

There are still too many fine minds who yet prefer to blend themselves into the masses. Stand up! Show your individuality! The movement needs you!


ooc: Because it has been mentioned - I think the way Brinniel takes Nogrod and me serious is too obvious to be a henchmannish tactic.

[Thinlómien]

Besides these truly fundamental points, also, as the Comrade of Amon Lanc has already noted, Lommy's extreme friendliness and stating of the more-or-less obvious does make one suspicious. I know it is not appreciated to suspect someone for being helpful, but helpfulness combined with obviousness is a little suspicious.Someone has to state the obvious and get the serious game rolling... or provoke discussion in a way or another.

Anyway, I'm afraid I must vote now. Since I find it really difficult to seriously suspect anyone at this stage, I'll vote Xyzzy (see my previous post).

++XYZZY

and also ++for locking him up rather than killing him

I hope everyone's said more by toMorrow morning, because when I have more material about people and one kill to "examine" I can hopefully vote based on real suspicions, not this kind of removing an enigma -votes which tend to be useless because they either don't gather enough support or lead to the lynch of an innocent. :rolleyes: But if a village is to lynch an enigma, it should probably be done on the first day.

[Macalaure]

The deadline is in about one and a half hours, right?

Let me see....

I think Legate made the best contributions so far. This doesn't mean he's innocent, but it means I'm surely not interested in lynching him today.

Nogrod jokes more than he contributes, but I still have no "real" reason to lynch him today, and those reasons need to take precedence now. I will keep an eye on him, though.

Menel did not say much, but what he said seems honest to me, so he won't get my vote today.

Brinn didn't say much and I'm not sure what to do with her...

Lommy is suspicious to me, but in a village as quiet as this one, I'm not too eager to lynch the few talkative ones. If I find a better target, I'll choose that one.

Shasta is quite an enigma. I don't like lynching enigmas, but who else is there?

Susie and xyzzy didn't say much / nothing at all. Maybe both of them need a clock? ;) I'm not going to lynch Susie, and xyzzy only if there really happens to be no better alternative.

[Nogrod]

Brother Mac is loose again I see. And at the same time he's rising the alarm-levels even higher. This time with some semi-seriousness if you allow me.

Follow the steps if you could, please.

Mac has the one track-mind of pursuing the "easiest" first Day lynch ie. the ideological enemy. Why is that suspicious you may ask? I'll tell you.

There are nine people on this island - three of them are baddies. Now of the nine six are easily bagged into a kind of sympathic union together being this or that way communist-liberal-hippie-activist-conspiracy teorist and what not. So the probability for at least two baddies lurking among these six is a high one. In case two (or three) are there it would be logical, safe and neat to try to call for an "ideological vote" on Day1 that would pick someone from the remaining three.

It would keep the real baddies out of the harms way and the baddies taking part in that vote (or calling for it) could always explain afterwards that they were just having a Day1 in-role mode on.

What strikes me as even more suspicious is Mac's quick appreciation and continuation of Brinn's idea about myself trying to do the thing I'm suspecting someone else on. The problem is that as the only true conservative around I can't hope to attract "the masses" here to vote on partylines - voting along the partylines would always end up with myself losing in the first place. But Mac (or Brinn for that matter) could do it as there might be five others who could be lured into this scheme.

And that's always the path of the bad ones: use any suspicion someone else has thrown in and ride with it. Safe and sound = you can always say it was someone else's idea and you're not the only one to blame & makes you look like one who has an actual reason for your vote (and thence not a baddie who has to fabricate the reasons).

That said, I'm not quite ready to vote Mac toDay as he seems to be one of the few who actually takes an interest in the well-being of us here in this island. I have a bad feeling that he is faking his interest but after all it's better to have someone to talk to than to just guess day after day.

So - believe it or not - I might take the advice of that flower-girl. That would mean voting for an enigma toDay. If that has to be done it should be sooner rather than later.

Fortunately we still have an hour. I'll need to think.

EDIT: X'd with Mac. That post relaxed me a bit - not so much because he said he wasn't going to vote for me toDay but because of the general calmness and reasonableness of the post.

[Brinniel]

Am I taking things between Mac and Nogrod too seriously? I don't think so. Maybe some of it is banter, but they still seem to be at each other's throats. It's quite possible there's a henchman among them, but right now it's too early to tell.

It's difficult to make any real judgements at this point. With our group being such a small voice, I'd rather not vote for the vocal ones toDay as later on it will be even harder to sort out who's good and evil among the quiet. I do agree voting for an enigma may be the best choice at this point. I'm not sure about xyzzy since he has not even spoken yet...though I won't eliminate the possibility. Perhaps Shasta would be a good choice; he has spoken, but contributed very little.

Less than an hour to vote...so where is everyone?

[Nogrod]

I'm not happy to vote for Mac, Lommy or Legate on Day1 as they seem to be involved. With this quiet village we need every talker indeed.

Of the others I have the following impressions.

Menel sounds innocentish, especially his last whenever I do post a vague thought of mine just to have something to talk about, everybody reads more into it than is actually theresounds quite innocent to my ears. I don't think Menel-wolf would think of writing that.

Sister Susie I'm pretty confused about. Ranting on someone talking too much in this silent island... He should probably be lynched just because of that counterproductive thinking. :p

Xyzzy we haven't seen or heard yet. Should we or should we not try lynching him?

Shasta I find a bit suspicious. His query on Lommy's motives was a bit weird as Lommy had actually quite clearly stated her reasons (she has been fooled by those he knows in RL lately in WW). A baddie saying for the sake of appearing?

Brinn I need to think one more time... back soon.

[Nogrod]

Okay. After a second look Brinn looks better to me even though I can't shake that odd feeling about her first post away. Somehow it just feels wrong and foul. I'm just unable to say why. Anyway she seems to be involved and reasonable as well so I wouldn't like to see her gone.

That leaves Xyzzy and Shasta as my choices - unless something remarkable happens in half an hour's time.

Xyzzy for being the enigma which should be removed now if we are to do it. For after the next Night we will all start forming theories and think it's too tight a place to try for the blind lynch any more (and then we'll just hold our thumbs and pray for luck that he isn't a baddie).

Shasta not only for only merely appearing - that could be said of Menel and Susie as well - but for appearing in a somewhat suspicious way.


The votes so far:
Legate -> Shasta
Lommy -> Xyzzy (Shasta1, Xyzzy1)

[Macalaure]

I've got a strange feeling about Brinn and I will take a close look at here tomorrow with a lynch and a kill to deduce from. My strange feeling about Lommy is more concrete, but she's too active to be lynched on Day One in such a small village. However, nobody is too active to be lynched from Day Two on. ;)

Shasta is little-seen and more suspicious compared with Menel and Susie. And then there's xyzzy.

Unless something unexpected happens, I will vote one of the two (although this is an invitation for the henchmen to not do anything unexpected now... ah, well)

Let's have another look at Shasta's posts.

[Volo]

In character-meter, the higher the more useless talk compared to useful talk:

Shasta: 9/10
Only one half-seriously sentence regarding the game.

Nogrod: 7/10
Lots of talk, long posts, some political fuss, the obvious.
He actually makes me feel safer about him in his last post (#26) (meter 8->7).
Just talk with less words, ok? If you want cheese, say cheese and be done with it.

Brinniel: 6/10
She adds little new, but feels rather innocent the way she says it.

Legate: 7/10
Lots of talk. All I see him do is say something rather contradictory about Lommy and go for Shasta.

Lommy: 7/10
Well, too many mushrooms :rolleyes: but she has been rather helpful in pointing out the seriousness level of the politicians. Seems genuine, except for her vote... I always feel that she always votes Xyzzy when he's around, don't dare turn it into a joke you can use as an excuse!

Mac: 7/10
A flood of banter in first two posts and then some better points.

Menel: 9/10
Nothing much, but I'm ready to grant him his wish and not vote for him.

Volo: 10/10
:S I've made the least sense of all in my previous post. Well, I hope to mend that now.

Xd with Mac

[Brinniel]

This is a tough choice. I don't feel ready to vote xyzzy just because he hasn't said anything yet. Perhaps he will speak up tomorrow? I'd like to give him one more chance before eliminating him.

Shasta has said very little to contribute and he seems to hide within his roleplaying. It's not much to go on, but I do sense there's something fishy about him...

++Shasta

*I will second with Lommy on voting to lock up, not lynch. Guilty or innocent, no one deserves to die!

EDIT: X-ed with Mac and Volo

[Nogrod]

The thing I find suspicious with Shasta is that it looks like he tries to appear as someone who makes a valid point / tries to be helpful by pointing out something while the thing he asks has already been answered ie. Lommy did explain her reason already in the post where Shasta refers to.

So it looks quite artifical, something a baddie could be inclined to do to appear involved.

It's not much though but enough to make me waver between him and Xyzzy.

Any ideas?

[Macalaure]

I could vote both, Shasta and xyzzy. I know it's bad reasoning, but because I suspect Lommy a little, I would rather not follow her vote. I have a bad feeling there. So...

++Shastanis Althreduin

[Volo]

I have a high mighty feeling that Shasta is innocent and not worth a lynch. Something feels very wrong there in the way he's voted out. I'd rather back up Lommy with lynching Xyzzy (I know what I said a post ago and I still think so, but on the other hand Lommy's reaction is pretty understandable.)

[Volo]

Xd with Nogrod and Mac.

++Xyzzy

++Herding, not killing.

[Nogrod]

This is a tough choice. I don't feel ready to vote xyzzy just because he hasn't said anything yet. Perhaps he will speak up tomorrow? I'd like to give him one more chance before eliminating him.I do find this reasoning either a bit too hopeful or then foul... Trust me Xyzzy rarely comes in and rarely contributes more than one-liners (prove me wrong Xyzzy!) and we will probably not make a blind lynch toMorrow anymore so if he stays alive toDay he will stay alive to the end and then we just need to hope that he's no baddie. That's the choice here.

[Nogrod]

If we had better numbers I'd be ready for a double lynch indeed but in this situation I'd rather not have it.

Anyone else around to try for Xyzzy or do we just trust our luck?

[Nogrod]

Here we go then...

++ Shasta

[Gil-Galad]

Voting is over. expect end day soon.

[Gil-Galad]

"bawk! time almost gone, sun go down bawk!" Peeko flies above the gathering of the survivors

"Alright then its agreed comrades! Shasta shall pay first for his misdeeds!" Legate yells out as the crowd circles Shasta.

"no wait! i can explain this! all i need is a couple signs and a picket line and-"
"get him!" a yell from the crowd emerged as they push in towards Shasta. Shasta quickly breaks through the crowd and runs down the beach and tries to climb on one of the rocks, with the crowd surrounding him again.

"wait... how can we know hes a henchman?" Nogrod stated as the crowd quieted down and thought about that

"bawk! tattoo! tattoo! beware the tattoo on the back bawk!" peeko squacked out

"works for me... get him!" Brinniel yelled but shasta was shocked and fell back off the rock, cracking his neck. a hush falls over everyone.

Susie walks up and checks his back. no tattoo. Shasta was a Civilian.

Alive:
1 - Meneltarmacil - Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist
3 - Thinlómien - young and idealistic hippie maiden with flowers in her hair.
4 - Nogrod - tight upper lip conservative
5 - Macalaure - student activist
6 - Brinniel - the hypocritical peace activist who goes to all extremes
7 - Xyzzy - Fully commercialized drone.
8 - Volo - Susie, the daughter of a random goat herder in some far-away valley, who doesn't know a thing about popular culture, is a good idea.
9 - Legate - an open-minded progressive Comrade

Dead:
El Gil - (mod)
Shastanis Althreduin - (Civ)

NIGHT TWO BEGINS! HENCHMAN CAN NOW CHOOSE KILL! SUPER SCIENCE DOCTOR CHOOSE WHO TO DREAM! BODYGUARD CHOOSE TO EITHER PROTECT OR HUNT! ENJOY!

[Gil-Galad]

"Bawk! rise and shine rise and shine bawk!" Peeko squacked as the weary people got up.

"alright now its another day of guessing..." Brinniel said drowsingly.

the survivors got up and had a meager breakfest of whatever they could find.

"hey... wheres Meneltarmacil?" Legate asked looking around

"bawk! another dead bawk!" Peeko squacked from the distance

everyone ran towards where the bird was chirping from, and it was close to the edge of the forest. when everyone got there they gasped. there Meneltarmacil was hanging upside down with her arms laying on the ground.

"oh my... looks like we still have some henchman to deal with..." Susie said with her head down as everyone slowly turned around and walked back to the beach...

Alive:

3 - Thinlómien - young and idealistic hippie maiden with flowers in her hair.
4 - Nogrod - tight upper lip conservative
5 - Macalaure - student activist
6 - Brinniel - the hypocritical peace activist who goes to all extremes
7 - Xyzzy - Fully commercialized drone.
8 - Volo - Susie, the daughter of a random goat herder in some far-away valley, who doesn't know a thing about popular culture, is a good idea.
9 - Legate - an open-minded progressive Comrade

Dead:
El Gil - (mod)
Shastanis Althreduin - (Civ)
Meneltarmacil - (civ)

DAY 2 BEGINS! HENCHMAN STOP TALKING! SPECIALS STOP TALKING! ENJOY!

[Volo]

Drat.

If we don't get a foul one on the second day, that is now, we lose. (If the über-goodies don't save the next victim.) :/

I'm almost certain that there is at least one baddie hiding behind the Shasta-voters. So far it's just a gut-feeling, but I'll investigate it.

[Macalaure]

Seriously, I didn't see that coming. If the innocents don't happen to take Menel early, the wolves do it.

Menel only said he trusted Legate and was very slightly suspicious of Brinniel and me. He's basically a safe kill who doesn't leave any real trails to anyone, which is somewhat suspicious. I mean, there was not much suspicion around on this Day One. Lommy was suspected to a degree and some were wary of Brinniel. Nobody was under serious pressure (except Shasta and xyzzy, of course). Why did they not choose a bolder kill? The way I see it, either one or both of the wolves are among Lommy/Brinniel/xyzzy and he/she/they maybe subjectively overestimated the pressure towards him/her/them, or the wolves are playing very, very safe, which would probably also point towards Lommy or Brinniel. It's also possible that there's a mastermind like Nogrod or Legate among the wolves and they want us to think they are overly careful to distract us, but I have a feeling that is not the case (at least I will discard that possibility for now). Where do these thoughts leave Volo? I'm not sure yet. He's still a dark horse to me.

By the way, what are the rules about people who fail to show up for two days?


I'm almost certain that there is at least one baddie hiding behind the Shasta-voters. There were only three non-Shasta-voters, Volo. Unless you are a baddie yourself, your claim is correct. ;)

[Volo]

There were only three non-Shasta-voters, Volo. Unless you are a baddie yourself, your claim is correct. ;)

Legate: Shasta
Lommy: Xyzzy
Brinniel:Shasta
Mac: Shasta
Volo: Xyzzy
Nogrod: Shasta

No vote:
Menel, Shasta, Xyzzy

Unless Lommy and Xyzzy are the baddies, that is.

But I was meaning you [Mac], Brinniel and Legate there, I had forgot that Nogrod also voted Shasta as it didn't make a big difference.

I'm suspecting everybody at the moment, though I won't vote Xyzzy if he doesn't appear. Lynching him is a 50/50 win/lose situation and a waste of the game really. :(

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Very interesting, as I would absolutely agree with Comrade Mac's post - I can subscribe it. The good progressive approach of our young brainpower indeed does its work! Very true; Comrade Lommy was somewhat suspicious already yesterday and now, given the kill that was made, I'd indeed think this might point to her. Also Comrade Brinniel could be, with some of her behaviour, a possible servant of the reactionary powers, though here I am a little less convinced than in Comrade Lommy's case. Comrade Nogrod has been quite reasonable this far, and unless we have very strange pair of henchmen here, I don't find it likely that he will be behind this nightly kill.

I could also add that one of the reasons to choose our valiant, but cruelly slain Comrade Menel could have been that he did not vote at all. Thus, he would not raise any suspicion (if he voted for a henchman - though this was not technically possible, unless Comrade xyzzy was a henchman, but even then I doubt any of us would consider that being a reason, as Comrade xyzzy has not appeared at all), and also he could not be attacked today based on how he voted yesterday.

I really hope Comrade Xyzzy is not one of the henchmen, since then it would look really bad for us. Maybe under these circumstances the "two day no-show" rule could be of help, though, as we know, our company has very far to being большая, quite the opposite - there's too few of us and every person counts. On the other hand, getting rid of a lurking threat in the form of Comrade Xyzzy would be a good idea. But definitely (at least if he does not show): no lynching, only if we really were not sure.

Where do these thoughts leave Volo? I'm not sure yet. He's still a dark horse to me.
I could subscribe even this, also after Comrade Volo's posts today. Given how the votes went, there is the interesting possibility that if he and Comrade Lommy were the henchmen, then Comrade Volo's words:
I'm almost certain that there is at least one baddie hiding behind the Shasta-voters.
could be something far more sinister than it seems. But this is only a possibility and speculation, and we, Comrades, have to rely on stronger evidence. Because, as it was noted before, the numbers do not favour us much and there are still two henchmen and one villain among us...

So, what do you others, Comrades, have to say?

[Thinlómien]

So, what do you others, Comrades, have to say?Well, the first thing I have to say is that I don't quite understand where all this suspicion towards me has come from. There seems to be few actual points against me, but still most people seem to be suspecting me. I can't help thinking that there's one (or two) henchmen hiding in this ill-based consensus of suspicion and laughing to themself/ves. :rolleyes:

The way I see it, either one or both of the wolves are among Lommy/Brinniel/xyzzy and he/she/they maybe subjectively overestimated the pressure towards him/her/them, or the wolves are playing very, very safe, which would probably also point towards Lommy or Brinniel. Would killing Menel have been a safe kill from Brinn? No. For if the wolves are after the super science seer or whatever, Menel's death points to Brinn. Brinnwolf would have known she'd take a risk because if Menel truly was the seer, it would point to her guilt. I think your logic is flawy.

I can see many motives for killing Menel. I think, like Mac, that the wolves might have wanted to play it safe and try not to leave tracks. I would also like to point out that he was not really suspected by anyone (I said I had a vague bad feeling about him) so it is possible that he was chosen simply to remove someone who was generally trusted ie some innocent person who had small chance of getting lynched on the next day. In a small village like this numbers count a lot.

Secondly, with a small number of players there's a higher chance of wolves and ranger targeting the same person. The wolves might have picked Menel because they thought the ranger wouldn't protect Menel. (Why they'd assume that, I don't know.) The wolves can win this game quite quickly if they succeed in all their kills and avoid getting lynched.

Also, I know there are some players - like Nogrod and myself and Mac probably falls into that category as well - who as wolves dislike killing contributive & "dangerous" people in the beginning of the game unless they have some serious inclination they're gifted. Menel was one of the quietest villagers yesterday. So could we think Menel's death might point to Nogrod, myself or Mac or anyone else who confesses disliking killing vocal/contributive players in the early game? For many wolves, in a small village like this, could take the more or less safer path of killing the dangerous players, but instead these wolves chose Menel, who's not generally considered a "dangerous" player.

Now I know I'm innocent, I think Nogrod's rather an ordo or the villain than a wolf and that leaves me with Mac. I wouldn't be surprised if another of the wolves was Mac and he would have told his partner in crime that he thinks they should not kill any of the "dangerous" players but rather someone else and they would have chosen Menel...? Now before you accuse me of it ;) I'm not claiming Menel's death means Mac's guilty, I just think that might be the case, especially as I've grown a bit wary of him otherwise as well. There's something forced in his tone and somehow the comment:
Seriously, I didn't see that coming. sounded very wolvish to me. I can't tell why but it just made a chill run down my spine. Sounds just like something a wolf would say...

Others I think are somewhat suspicious are Volo and Brinn. I can't really say more about it (except that we might be overlooking the most obvious reason to Menel's death which is Brinn's guilt), before I've had a closer look at their posts. It's more like a gut-feeling.

Legate's the only one I really don't suspect of any kind of wickedness. He seems quite genuine. Yet I must say I'm a bit worried about this consensus of trusting him... :rolleyes:

Of Xyzzy I really can't say anything, except that I agree with Volo that it would be foolish to lynch him toDay when we have to catch a wolf in order to survive.

[Volo]

Oh my! Lommy, you said exactly what I'm thinking. Now I'll look even more suspicious. I would have said it earlier, but I was waiting for the baddies to possibly make a slip. So either you made the slip or are innocent.

My first thoughts about Menel were that he's the Scientist. He felt like he really wanted to stay alive and was excited about his role. Whoever killed him did nastily as Menel has a history of dying young, same goes from Shasta who actually tries to play at times, unlike Xyzzy (Sorry, I'm not trying to offend you, but that's how it feels.).

The lynching of Shasta felt nasty, like I have said several times before. Very fake. I tried to come up with some points about the players but I must say that I couldn't. It's all on the gut-level.

No, not totally. Now that Lommy has mentioned it, we can't wait for more hints of this type.
I think that Mac is most probably a baddie and Noggie maybe the boss. I have little idea of who the second baddie is, but I do feel that he/she's not showing himself/herself to the boss.

I might be imagining things, which I doubt. Noggie and Mac seem to have a discussion on their own level during the first day telling each-other their roles (or at least hinting).
Their rather jokingly "competition" is a good cover on day1 as it brings some points and a space to move but doesn't truly make the person think of who the baddies are. They have both written rather impressive looking posts with little content.

Legate and Brinniel were my other two main suspects but they feel more genuine.

I'm going to sleep, the sun is down.

[Macalaure]

On one thing I agree with Lommy: if Brinn was a baddie and over-nervous, she probably wouldn't have killed Menel. Menel said very little, but within the little that he said, he slightly suspected her.

But otherwise....


Well, the first thing I have to say is that I don't quite understand where all this suspicion towards me has come from. There seems to be few actual points against me, but still most people seem to be suspecting me."There seems to be few actual points against me"? sounds suspiciously unspecific. If you think there are actual points against you, then why don't you defend yourself against them? This statement appears kind of half-hearted. It appears as if you either think you can't defend yourself against them or you don't want to draw everybody's attention to them again.
It also sounds like "Oh, look, there are only few points against me, please suspect someone else" :p


Also, I know there are some players - who as wolves dislike killing contributive & "dangerous" people in the beginning of the gameTrue, but Menel didn't really fall into this category, because one could have expected that he would have contributed more on the following days.


I wouldn't be surprised if another of the wolves was Mac and he would have told his partner in crime that he thinks they should not kill any of the "dangerous" players but rather someone else and they would have chosen Menel...? Now before you accuse me of it I'm not claiming Menel's death means Mac's guilty, I just think that might be the case, especially as I've grown a bit wary of him otherwise as well.So you wouldn't be surprised if I was a wolf, but you don't want to be accused of thinking I'm guilty, but you've still grown wary of me. Now if this doesn't sound a little like the classical "He's very suspicious, but not that much".


There's something forced in his tone and somehow the comment: "Seriously, I didn't see that coming." sounded very wolvish to me. I can't tell why but it just made a chill run down my spine. Sounds just like something a wolf would say...I explained it in the very next sentence. Menel complained before that people tend to be too quick to suspect him, and now he survives the Day and immediately falls prey to the Night. Nope, I didn't see that coming.

A chill down your spine? :rolleyes:


Volo, I don't know anything about Nogrod's role, of course, but I can assure you we didn't exchange any hints yesterday.

[Thinlómien]

"There seems to be few actual points against me"? sounds suspiciously unspecific. If you think there are actual points against you, then why don't you defend yourself against them? This statement appears kind of half-hearted. It appears as if you either think you can't defend yourself against them or you don't want to draw everybody's attention to them again.There are, as far as I know, three actual points against me. One is that I'm friendly. Second is that I'm stating the obvious. Well, what can I say? "Trust me, I'm not friendly, actually I'm quite evil!"? :rolleyes: The third point was that as a wolf I might have killed Menel. I can hardly judge that - for some reason I haven't needed to think about it very much. :rolleyes: I don't deny that if I was a wolf I might have killed Menel, but as a wolf I might have killed someone else as well.

It also sounds like "Oh, look, there are only few points against me, please suspect someone else" Well, if you want to phrase it like that... Of course I'd prefer you guys focusing your energies elsewhere and not accusing/suspecting an innocent girl :p - especially as we must lynch a baddie toDay if we don't want to lose.

True, but Menel didn't really fall into this category, because one could have expected that he would have contributed more on the following days.I think that can be debated... There are no really silent people in this village. Maybe Xyzzy, but I can't see the wolves killing him as he's such an advantage to them.

So you wouldn't be surprised if I was a wolf, but you don't want to be accused of thinking I'm guilty, but you've still grown wary of me.I did not say I don't want to be accused of thinking you're guilty. I said that I don't want to be accused of making a conclusion that "because Menel died, Mac must be guilty".

And now I'm going to sleep, but I'll be back.

[Nogrod]

So idealists are killing paranoids already? That's what I could have told you a long time ago. Those people are dangerous as we all true conservatives know. Just look at the mess these radicals, hippies and other reckless castes of the society bring about.

I have a thought or two but let me first make an open question - and you parrot listen closely.

Does anyone here know exactly what the numbers are at the moment? If the baddies do overpower us when they reach the same number with us civilians then it would be the most important to know where we stand at the moment.

There are seven of us alive on this island. Two are henchmen and one is a villain. But is the villain counted as a civilian or as a baddie in the tallies which decide when we win or lose?

So are we now in 5-2 or 4-3? If the latter we must get a henchman toDay (unless the bodyguard wins toNight) or we lose, if the former, we can afford at least one more mistake. That's a big difference when we consider fex. Xyzzy.

And the rule about the non-appearing villagers would help us as well. Do you hear my words Pooky?

Okay. That's the general part. I'll be soon back with a few more specific thoughts...

[Nogrod]

Concerning Lommy.

Our student activist Mac did indeed raise some noteworthy points against her (#47). I would add two things. Firstly it seems that she has really spent some time analysing the henchmen position (#45). It was a bit too elaborate coming from just an innocent trying to think a bit what the baddies might have thought. It sounded like a henchman who had already thought these things through a gazillion times during the Night and now used parts of that reasoning. Secondly I'd interpret a bit more into Lommy's "There seems to be few actual points against me" than Mac who only says it's suspiciously unspecific or half-hearted. I mean, why would an innocent phrase herself like that? Lommy's is the way a baddie thinks.

A civilian protests that the others have got it wrong or she calls for the actual suspicions to be brought forwards so that she can answer them if necessary. But a baddie then, she underlines the fact that there are not enough actual points against her and thence the others should focus elsewhere. Who - as an innocent - would say that becasue you don't have a good case leave me alone? An innocent says, because I'm innocent you should leave me alone for you're hurting our common cause.

[Nogrod]

Concerning Macalaure.

I said yesterDay that this young student activist has no good intentions (check #24 for more). No leftwing activists have good intentions when we look at the society as a whole. Some of them may have a good heart but that then gets overrun by naivéte.

But it looks pretty believable to me that both Lommy and Mac are not henchmen. Even if Mac kind of treats Lommy with silken gloves he manages to raise good points against Lommy in a situation where she is already under some general pressure. These two might pull that kind of bluff to be sure, but if Lommy is lynched toDay (and actually turns out a henchwoman) I'm not sure if Mac as a lonely henchman could count on surviving the rest of the Days. Maybe I should ask the CIA-guys to put him under a surveillance as well?

But Mac might indeed be the villain - student activistis are villains to the ordered society in the general sense of the term in any case. But just look at his posting yesterDay and remember that the villain needs to catch the attention of the henchmen and that El Gil specifically mentioned that the villain is the leader whose work the henchmen will accomplish.

Now how does this acti-Mac enter the discussion? By calling for his henchmen to get rid of me in two consequent posts... He all but issues a straight order to them back there. So contacting his hänschenmen :D and giving them their first mission (a hint being: I give you orders ie. I'm your boss as the villain is the leader of the henchmen).

Who else do you think tried to contact her/his henchmen yesterDay? Remember that in a small island like this the villain needs to do that because otherwise her/his own henchmen might kill her/him.

But to be honest, Mac's posting toDay has been quite helpful and reasonable. He's intelligent enough to stop sending messages after he believes the point ("hello, I'm the one!") has gone through and when continuing it might endanger his own life. Or then he just got loose on his first posts and is now settling down for a bit more constructive participation...

That said, the worst I can think of now from Mac - before the CIA reports that is - is that he's then the villain, not a henchman and we should not rush to a villain now if we have a chance of getting a henchman. And I'm beginning to feel that we might just be at it.

[Volo]

Concerning Lommy.

Our student activist Mac did indeed raise some noteworthy points against her (#47). I would add two things. Firstly it seems that she has really spent some time analysing the henchmen position (#45). It was a bit too elaborate coming from just an innocent trying to think a bit what the baddies might have thought. It sounded like a henchman who had already thought these things through a gazillion times during the Night and now used parts of that reasoning. Secondly I'd interpret a bit more into Lommy's "There seems to be few actual points against me" than Mac who only says it's suspiciously unspecific or half-hearted. I mean, why would an innocent phrase herself like that? Lommy's is the way a baddie thinks.

I messed up going to sleep. :( (I'll go after this post, promise.)

Here just to say that I don't agree at all with this point. It is completely reasonable for an innocent person to try to figure out why the baddies kill the person they kill - we all know that. I myself thought of the reasons exactly the same way and I'm innocent, so to me at least that makes Lommy no more guilty.

Are you saying that Lommy's guess is more correct than the other guesses so far and therefore showing that you also thought like this? That would mean that you have a part in selecting Menel as the victim.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am starting to be confused on some things and that's a poor omen, Comrades. But let's follow the plan and fulfill it by 150%, as I said...
Wait. We have not prepared the plan. Okay, so let's move step by step.

Comrade Volo - the idea of Comrades Mac and Nogrod being villains or henchmen or both does not sound as illogical, however, if either of them is a villain, it's not of that much concern to us (quite the opposite - we should ignore him, as he would probably try to Cobble us). But Comrade Mac seems quite genuine to me lately, and though his behavior at start could have been one of a Villain (especially his reaction to Comrade Brinniel about lynching Comrade Nogrod), the way he acted toDay and in the second part of yesterDay makes me think that he is not a villain (his behavior is very nontypical for a villain). Comrade Nogrod acted half-in-role half-seriously from the very beginning, which a Villain could do, but his contributions were helpful and logical ones. Anyway: I don't suspect any of these two of being henchmen, at least at this time - at maximum, one of them could be a villain.
Speaking of that, Comrade Volo's chaotic and dark-horsish behavior could also be that of a Villain. But again, the Villain is probably not of much importance to us. Only - as Comrade Nogrod now pointed out - if he is counted among the Henchmen in the final count. However, I wouldn't even play with the idea of lynching Comrade Xyzzy, at least until he shows. If he shows.

But Comrade Lommy did not at all convince me of her innocence. Quite the opposite, her behavior resembles one of an imperialist agent surrounded by KGB. Especially this:
Well, if you want to phrase it like that... Of course I'd prefer you guys focusing your energies elsewhere and not accusing/suspecting an innocent girl - especially as we must lynch a baddie toDay if we don't want to lose.
Comrade Lommy started to act a little bit touchy now, and in the quoted part she as a henchman could very, let's say, classically, try to draw away our attention to the fact that "we must lynch a baddie today", and thus forgetting the matter that was discussed before - her suspiciousness. As a henchman, saying this "wise counsel" would help her to disappear out of our sight and hide. Second thing that does not fit to me much is the behavior - if she were someone else, her touched attitude would be okay. "Well, if you want to phrase it like that... Of course I'd prefer you guys focusing your energies elsewhere and not accusing/suspecting an innocent girl." But innocent Lommy does not behave like that when she is questioned.

All in all: let's wait for those who have not spoken already (Comrade Brinniel... and I am not even thinking about Comrade xyzzy). I'll probably have to vote early in the morning, once again (after some nine hours), and won't be back from then; and don't expect anything much long from me in the morning (depends on how I wake up, but...). If you post too long things I might not even be able to read them fully, which would be indeed discouraging.

X-ed with Nogrod's last one and Volo.

[Nogrod]

I need to go to sleep now.

Just a general point still. I'm sorry to patronise but you know us conservatists. We're such patriots, and proud of it.

If the situation actually is 4-3 (hey Peeko, please answer) the super scientist might do well to come forwards at least if s/he knows a baddie or if we're doing insane choices. Even erasing one innocent name from the list might help our quest toDay if all will end with one bad choice.

(OOC: If I remember it correctly the cobbler is normally counted as a villager in the tallies - and thence it would be 5-2 now - but I'd like to know for sure as with this small village the information will be crucial already toDay.)

Are you saying that Lommy's guess is more correct than the other guesses so far and therefore showing that you also thought like this? That would mean that you have a part in selecting Menel as the victim. You're a bit too reckless with your conclusions... I didn't say Lommy's "guess" is more correct (how could I?) so there can't be a "therefore" included or any "that means" either. I just think her account is wealthier in detail and very much believable. And that makes me suspect her. She really has gone through the possibilities. Read it again and think.

I myself thought of the reasons exactly the same wayReally? You really thought of all those variants, and got to the same conclusions? You have spent a lot of time pondering this game if compared to the time you spend actually participating it with writing something - and you must be a soulmate to this hippie-girly. :p

Or did you two have these discussions last Night?

I was a bit troubled with your nonsensical approach yesterDay. You were my only other candidate for being the villain after Mac as you kept repeating how unreasonable you have been (villain needs to cause confusion so talking nonsense does just that) and you had also that weird hint about the great grandma' or something wedding a werewolf...

But now I must say that I'm a little alert indeed.

I'll be back later toDay.

[Macalaure]

Nogrod analysed that line of Lommy better than I did.

Lommy is really my prime suspect at the moment, for all reasons stated above and also for her general nervousness and tension.

There's something mighty wrong with the way Volo defends Lommy. A lot could be said about it, but I don't have the time right now. Villain? Possible.

Nogrod, I'm neither the villain nor a Hänschmann. :p
But, as long as you don't want to lynch me, I can live with your suspicions.

I'm away tomorrow, so I will only be able to stop by very briefly and rather early to give my vote. I hope I'll be able to read something from Brinniel by then, not to mention xyzzy.

[Volo]

Comrade Lommy started to act a little bit touchy now
With this I agree, she's also "too happy".

Really? You really thought of all those variants, and got to the same conclusions?
No, not really. I hadn't thought about Brinniel's position in it (she's escaping under my radar and I wish her to show up). It seems strange that Lommy mentioned Brinniel from such a perspective. I highly doubt that Menel was really after Brinniel, so much that he'd have dreamed about her, or then Lommy forgets that the Scientist didn't get to dream on Night1.

Still, Lommy leans more to innocent side.

You have spent a lot of time pondering this game if compared to the time you spend actually participating it with writing something...Yes, or so I want to believe.


Have to run.

[Brinniel]

Sorry, sorry....I got caught up with Halloween celebrations. I dressed up as a dead soldier. Well, someone's gotta send the message... :rolleyes:

Anyways...on the subject of Menel's death, I don't see why some of you are so surprised. It's quite typical for henchmen to go after the quiet ones for their first kill. After all, it's still too early to have a clear idea on who the gifteds are and this way no obvious tracks are left behind. Menel may not have been silent, but he made a grand total of two posts, neither of which have a lot of substance. Just about anyone here could've chosen him for a kill.

With all but one of the quiet players eliminated, we now definitely know there is a henchmen among the vocal players. No need to worry about xyzzy- if he is a henchman, we'll find out soon after we eliminate the first one. If he is not participating during the Day, I think most likely he would not be participating at Night either. The question was raised by someone whether xyzzy would be default-killed as a no-show; I am strongly against that. Because if he turns out innocent, we will lose another valuable player (number-wise), and it'll be another advantage for the baddies.

Well, the first thing I have to say is that I don't quite understand where all this suspicion towards me has come from. There seems to be few actual points against me, but still most people seem to be suspecting me. I can't help thinking that there's one (or two) henchmen hiding in this ill-based consensus of suspicion and laughing to themself/ves.
There are, as far as I know, three actual points against me. One is that I'm friendly. Second is that I'm stating the obvious. Well, what can I say? "Trust me, I'm not friendly, actually I'm quite evil!"? The third point was that as a wolf I might have killed Menel. I can hardly judge that - for some reason I haven't needed to think about it very much.
I did not say I don't want to be accused of thinking you're guilty. I said that I don't want to be accused of making a conclusion that "because Menel died, Mac must be guilty".
I get the feeling that Lommy is beginning to crack under pressure. Of course, anyone who is being accused is going to defend themselves, but it almost seems like she's trying too hard. When she says "I innocent," it doesn't seem completely sincere to me.

sounded very wolvish to me. I can't tell why but it just made a chill run down my spine. Sounds just like something a wolf would say...

So often there are those "wolfish" comments that makes us thing: hmmm. But I didn't get that feeling from Mac's comment. This just seems like a botched attempt to direct attention off of her and onto Mac..

Nogrod has suspected Lommy since Day 1, and now with this increasing pressure on her, I do not think they are on the same side...which actually does decrease my suspicions on him. But his whole analysis on Mac makes me uneasy...he's a bit too confident to assume that Mac is no worse than a villian and we should ignore him. It is never a good idea to completely ignore anyone. Now, if Lommy is a henchman, then Nogrod probably is not...though he could be just as easily a Villain who accidentally helped take out one of his own. But if Lommy is not a henchman, then I would definitely watch out for Nogrod...

There's something funny about that Volo. I'm not sure why, but his behaviour seems odd to me. I don't know if I should be suspicious of that, but I'd like to keep an eye on him...

[Thinlómien]

Let's truly hope that the villain does not count as a henchman in the end or we're truly going to lose if we (you...) continue this way.

I highly doubt that Menel was really after Brinniel, so much that he'd have dreamed about her, or then Lommy forgets that the Scientist didn't get to dream on Night1.S/he didn't? :confused: Well, then you can forget that point about Brinniel and then we're in more trouble than I thought we were.

Who else do you think tried to contact her/his henchmen yesterDay? Remember that in a small island like this the villain needs to do that because otherwise her/his own henchmen might kill her/him.Should I reconsider what I think of you? This sounds very henchman-ish: calling the attention from hunting the henchmen to hunting the villain. As far as I know, we have no need to lynch the villain - especially as we can't afford killing too many un-henchmen. The villain is, of course, a threat, but I don't think we should be concentrating on him/her that much.

Firstly it seems that she has really spent some time analysing the henchmen position (#45). It was a bit too elaborate coming from just an innocent trying to think a bit what the baddies might have thought.Says who? :rolleyes: I'm getting worried about you...

Comrade Lommy started to act a little bit touchy now, and in the quoted part she as a henchman could very, let's say, classically, try to draw away our attention to the fact that "we must lynch a baddie today", and thus forgetting the matter that was discussed before - her suspiciousness.*sigh* I can say it again: of course I want that you think about something else - it's not very constructive that 90% of the village is after one person, especially if the person in question is innocent...

An innocent says, because I'm innocent you should leave me alone for you're hurting our common cause.
What about this?
Of course I'd prefer you guys focusing your energies elsewhere and not accusing/suspecting an innocent girl - especially as we must lynch a baddie toDay if we don't want to lose.
:rolleyes: (I'm not saying I must be innocent because I said that - I might have said that as a henchman as well - merely pointing that Nogrod's attack is a faulty one.)

A civilian protests that the others have got it wrong or she calls for the actual suspicions to be brought forwards so that she can answer them if necessary.How can one call fro something to be brought forwards that does not seem to exist? At that phase it seemed that suspecting me was the popular suspicion of the Day and no one hardly had any good reasons.

~*~


Comrade Lommy started to act a little bit touchy now
With this I agree, she's also "too happy".So you are not allowed to be neither aggressive nor enjoy argumenting... I'll keep that in mind...

But I didn't get that feeling from Mac's comment. This just seems like a botched attempt to direct attention off of her and onto Mac.OMG. You people are getting a bit ridiculous now. Does this mean that if you're #1 suspect of other villagers you can't talk about your own suspicions without making your situation worse? This all seems too much like "Lommy, we suspect you, therefore you must not talk about your suspects or raise points against other players or try to get discussion going on other matters than your suspected guilt or talk about time or actually anything else than yourself: you can only defend yourself, but otherwise, please don't make us listen to that crap. Oh, and when you defend yourself, don't do it too aggressively, because then we think you're a jumpy wolf. And oh, don't use smileys, you shouldn't be happy because we're accusing you! Heavens, you might be trying to make us lower our guard with being too friendly!"

*a row of rolleyes-smileys* Just remember to look at this consensus after my death and you know where the henchmen are hiding. Hey, I could consider myself a martyr! An innocent who died so that the villagers realised how stupid they were and where the henchmen are hiding. Too bad I never liked martyrs. *more rolleyes-smileys*

I really suspect Nogrod and Mac, Volo is a bit suspicious as well. But I won't waste my time on elaborating those as the only purpose I seem to have in this village anymore is defending myself. Clearly, if I wrote about my suspicions "I'd be trying to get the attention away from myself". *even more rolleyes-smileys* Oh, and now of course someone of you comes and says in a kindergarten-voice "dear Lommy, we never meant it that way, you can talk about your suspicion, we'll pretend to listen"... *the rest of rolleyes-smileys that exist in this world*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

As I said before, I don't have time to elaborate on anything much now, and I'm leaving for good. So, my vote. *points up at the post above mine* Now that did it. Trying too hard. Too touchy. Half-sad-jokingly. Overdoing that ("the rest of rolleyes-smileys that exist in this world"). That does not sound like innocent Lommy at all. I'm very careful after the Shasta-mistake, but I have to vote now and I daresay that I am more convinced in this case than I was back then. And no one looks more suspicious than her.

++Comrade Lommy

Have a nice rest of the Day.

[Thinlómien]

Overdoing that ("the rest of rolleyes-smileys that exist in this world").See I can't even joke anymore - it's suspicious... :rolleyes: To be honest I'm quite fed up with this situation and I don't know why am I even posting this or wasting my time posting anything on this thread.

[Nogrod]

Just remember to look at this consensus after my death and you know where the henchmen are hiding. Hey, I could consider myself a martyr! An innocent who died so that the villagers realised how stupid they were and where the henchmen are hiding.No Lommy, you're not innocent and the villagers seem to be quite bright.

But surely one henchman is still missing. Although we don't need to worry about that so much as yet. Lommy's right that toDay's voting record will tell us who Lommy's mate in these crimes against humanity is.

Unless Xyzzy is the one. But I do doubt that as Lommy made an early vote on him on Day1 and that might have put an actual bandwagon rolling so that would have been a very dangerous move from her. Btw. nicely safe vote from the henchman on Day1.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy

[Volo]

Lommy, either you're confused or I'm confused.

Self-defence is what you shouldn't do, accuse who you will as much as you will.

Now you feel like the villain more than anything. A martyr - exactly! :(

[Volo]

Please, don't give up Lommy, if you are innocent!

If you aren't, it turns everything I've said upside-down. I disagree with most accusations against you, but your reaction is either a very bad mood or something extremely wierd in the game.

I present another theory alongside the Nogvillain and Macwolf -theory:
The Brinnwolf/Lommvillain/wolf -theory. I know that this is far-fetched but it's my typical bad habit.

Nearly everybody except Brinniel has attacked Lommy rather strongly, but now that Lommy is playing martyr, Brinniel understood the situation. It may be that Lommy is a wolf and it's agreed, but that seems an interesting twist to me. All Brinniel did before her last post was banter, comment on Mac's and Nogrod's fights and agree with Legate and vote Shasta. Staying with the alpha-villagers, if this is the situation?

What do you think?

[Macalaure]

I have very little time, but here's a little bit from me.

I like Brinn's idea about Nogrod being the villain. It's a possibility. Right now, I think Comrade Legate is innocent, Brinniel might be the second henchwoman, Nogrod might be the villain, and whatever Susie is, she's probably up to no good. I need to think about the possibilities more tomorrow. The upcoming lynch and kill will be telling, I hope. Talking about lynching:

++Thinlómien

Her recent posts clearly give me the feeling of a trapped werewolf, not of an innocent wrongly accused.

I hope xyzzy gets eliminated if he fails to show up. I don't really care whether it's good for our numbers or not, it's not good for our fun. :)

[Volo]

I hope xyzzy gets eliminated if he fails to show up. I don't really care whether it's good for our numbers or not, it's not good for our fun. :)

Well, it's the end of all the fun if both he and Lommy aren't evil... Then again, you'd probably win in that situation... :/

[Thinlómien]

I like Brinn's idea about Nogrod being the villain. It's a possibility.
So now it's her idea that Nogrod might be the villain. Excellent! Now I never mentioned that possibility, did I? :rolleyes:

Please, don't give up Lommy, if you are innocent!Why, thank you for the encouragement, but I'm afraid I cannot hammer sense to certain heads and I feel like I don't even want to try anymore. If the Villain counts as a villager, we can afford lynching me now and if he doesn't... well, truth be told, if this is the intelligence level of the villagers, the baddies deserve to win.

[Nogrod]

As I'm not sure if I can be online during the last hour (I'm taking care of a student examination and there's a computer in that class but I'm not sure if it has internet connection) I will vote now as well just to be sure I get to vote.

I see no reason to vote differently.

++ Lommy

For all the reasons stated toDay and because she's a henchman.

[Thinlómien]

For all the reasons stated toDay and because she's a henchman.See, now I'm even called a man. Horrible. :p

[Volo]

Umm... We lose if we lynch Lommy and she's the villain (unless the bodyguard saves somebody, which is risky.). Right, Peeko? If the villain is lynched, the henchmen get two kills next night, and win!

So unless we're 100% sure that Lommy's a henchman and not a villain, we should still rethink it all!!!


!!!!

I bet she is a martyr like she said!

[Brinniel]

There's only one obvious candidate toDay and that is Lommy.

Her behaviour is way too odd: First her over-reaction to suspicions against her, then her increasing anger, and now her "I give up" and "you'll regret this later" attitude. It reminds me of the last time I was a wolf...

++Lommy

I really hate the idea of voting to lynch, but it's for the greater good.

EDIT: X-ed with Volo

[Thinlómien]

Well, whatever, Volo, but unless someone retracts or Xyzzy appears, I'm dead. Even if I, you and Brinn voted the same person. Judging from the voters' posts and Xyzzy's activity in this game, I think it's over. Now we can only wait, unless we want to do a double-lynch. As much as I'd love to lynch Mac or Nog and get rid of a henchman, I'm not sure the risk is worth taking...

edit: xed with Brinn, et tu mi Brinn... I would have believed there was more of a hippie in you...

[Brinniel]

Umm... We lose if we lynch Lommy and she's the villain (unless the bodyguard saves somebody, which is risky.). Right, Peeko? If the villain is lynched, the henchmen get two kills next night, and win!

I don't think so. The Villain counts as a civilian, so it's 5-2 right now. Even if Lommy ends up being the villain, it'll be 3-2 on Day 3.

Maybe you are right and she's a martyr. But I kind of doubt it. Her behaviour seems more wolvish than anything to me.

[Volo]

I hope xyzzy gets eliminated if he fails to show up. I don't really care whether it's good for our numbers or not, it's not good for our fun. :)

++Mac.

I have said my reasons why I'd rather not vote Lommy. I'm pretty sure than Nogrod is innocent by the way he voted. But Mac is a bit too careless considering the size of our village.

May I burn in the witche's oven if I convince you to vote Mac, but end up wrong with my speculations. I'm ready to risk!



EDIT: Xd with Brinniel, Lommy, Brinniel.

[Thinlómien]

++ Macalaure

I hope you have the sense to go through his posts toMorrow and lynch him.

[Volo]

I Xd with the three posts there.


I don't think so. The Villain counts as a civilian, so it's 5-2 right now. Even if Lommy ends up being the villain, it'll be 3-2 on Day 3.

Maybe you are right and she's a martyr. But I kind of doubt it. Her behaviour seems more wolvish than anything to me.

No it's not!!!

If the Henchman accidentally kill their Villain, the Civilians are saved from a Henchman kill, who during the night will be too wrought with grief over their former dead leader. For the next night however, the Henchman seek vengence and are allowed to take two kills during the night, but the secret Agent Bodyguard has the choice to either Protect two people or use his regular ability of protect one and designate one as his prey.
Alright we'll have two wolves, but the special rule if the villain gets lynched(depending when in game) that gives the bodyguard a double ability will be suspended

Unless! The henchmen are demoralized next Night and won't kill. I'm a bit confused here. But if that is the case, they'll have two kills next Night and we'll lose then.

more...



EDIT: Xd with Lommy.

[Nogrod]

As I said. Today's voting is giving us the remaining information we need to beat the baddies.

Although I agree that the rules should be a lot clearer than they are. But that's even more the reason why we should get the henchwoman out now and not later.

[Volo]

And now I Xd with Lommy.


Possible scenarios:

Lommy dies and is innocent:
3/5 evil people. We lose.
3/4 evil people. (Xyzzy dies and is innocent.) We lose.
3/6 evil people. (Bodyguard saves.) We probably lose, unless we act quickly and very very smartly.
Calculate the other possibilities yourself (i.e. Xyzzy is evil or something).

Lommy dies and is the villain:
2/5 evil people. (If nothing special happens with the henchman kills.) We might win.
2/4 evil people. (If henchmen get two kills.) We lose.
2/6 evil people. (If henchmen don't get to kill over the lose of their boss.) We don't lose, yet as next Night they'll get two kills: Evil situation: 2/3 or 1/3.
Calculate the other possibilites yourself (i.e. Xyzzy also dies or Bodyguard saves.)

Lommy dies and is a henchgirl:
2/5 evil people. We have good chances of winning.
Calculate Xyzzy and Bodyguard.


Did I make mistakes?



EDIT: Xd with Nogrod.


EDITEDIT: evil people means how many want to vote against the village.

[Thinlómien]

Lommy dies and is a henchgirl:

Thank you, Volo, at least someone bothers to accuse with the proper term... :D

[Volo]

Thank you, Volo, at least someone bothers to accuse with the proper term... :D

You're welcome! So you admit being a henchgirl? :p That is good news for me.



EDIT: OOG: Does one say "news for" or "news to"?

[Nogrod]

Please Volo.

In every game I have played with a cobbler in it the cobbler has been counted as a villager in the tallies. And the set up would have been very unfair indeed if it would have had 3 baddies and 6 innocents to begin with. So I trust we have a 5-2 situation now. Other than that would be scandalous.

And that doesn't matter as Lommy is a henchgirl and we will be on 5-1 in under a half an hour. Or in a scandalous case on 4-2 with both our gifteds still alive and well.

[Gil-Galad]

EDIT: OOG: Does one say "news for" or "news to"?


"Bawk! news for if you already knew and now you fully understand bawk! News to is if you didn't know before! bawk!"

[Volo]

If the Henchman kill their villain during the night, they lose there next kill next night. then the night after that they get a double kill. but with low numbers i am suspending the double kill and the bodyguards dual duties. but if the villain gets killed by henchman they still lose the next night. If the Villain is lynched the Henchman still can kill, but the bodyguard gets a double protection bonus for that.

makes sense?


Wonderful! This means that my speculations were wrong and it does indeed makes a lot of sense killing the villain. :)

[Volo]

Please Volo.

In every game I have played with a cobbler in it the cobbler has been counted as a villager in the tallies. And the set up would have been very unfair indeed if it would have had 3 baddies and 6 innocents to begin with. So I trust we have a 5-2 situation now. Other than that would be scandalous.

Yes yes, I was talking about how many votes the evil people get, not the tally numbers. But as I said already, all my speculations were a waste of time.

In the current case I'm in for lynching Lommy.

[Nogrod]

Hey Peeko, 5-2 isn't it now before we lynch the henchgirl?

EDIT: Thanks! I looked at the admin thread. So like normal cobbler s/he is... So 5-2 now, 5-1 in 15 minutes.

[Gil-Galad]

"bawk! fifteen minutes make your votes bawk!"

[Thinlómien]

If I wanted to say I was a henchgirl I wouldn't have used the word accuse... I would have said that someone uses a proper term for me or calls me with a right name... :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

In the current case I'm in for lynching Lommy.Would you be eager to retract your vote then and take sides? Or do we have to suspect that a villain would love to keep his retraction-weapon for possible later use but still try to say that he's with us?

This is called pressured disarmament... ;)

[Thinlómien]

I can see a henchman/villain trying to get rid of one more innocent retraction... tsk... tsk...

[Volo]

Would you be eager to retract your vote then and take sides? Or do we have to suspect that a villain would love to keep his retraction-weapon for possible later use but still try to say that he's with us?


Nah. A double-lynch would be a sure way for the baddies to show themselves. :rolleyes: Wouldn't it?

[Thinlómien]

Note, it doesn't matter if they win by it.

[Thinlómien]

Doesn't this sound like a silence just before the world's end...?

[Thinlómien]

Oih, two minutes... *drumroll*

[Volo]

Note, it doesn't matter if they win by it.

You change it then.

[Gil-Galad]

Day two is over! stop posting! resolution up soon!

[Thinlómien]

?

If you wish.

--Mac
++Nog

[Nogrod]

I can see a henchman/villain trying to get rid of one more innocent retraction... tsk... tsk...Just trying to get all the information that is gatherable before the deadline...

[Thinlómien]

"Let the sunshine,
let the sunshine in,
the sun shine in..."

Sniff. Such a sad moment.

Dear Villain, I'm so sorry for everything. We were such pathetic henchpeople.

Congratulations, villagers.

[Gil-Galad]

"bawk! times up!" Peeko Squacked as he flew above. The survivors began to circle around Lommy.

"no!!! this can not be the end!" Lommy yelled out.
"silence comrade! just except it henchman!" Legate yelled back
The crowd of survivors began pushing lommy into the woods and still she struggled to do something to survive. Lommy turned around and her eyes widened as she fell on a spike face first.

The survivors immediately began quiet as Brinniel bent down and ripped the back of Lommy's shirt off, revealing tattoos.

"alas we have a henchman dead... but still one more to go!" Nogrod said as the crowd dispersed back to the beach.

NIGHT THREE BEGINS! HENCHMAN GIVE ME YOUR KILL! SPECIALS GIVE ME YOUR DREAM AND PROTECT/HUNT! ENJOY!

Alive:


4 - Nogrod - tight upper lip conservative
5 - Macalaure - student activist
6 - Brinniel - the hypocritical peace activist who goes to all extremes
7 - Xyzzy - Fully commercialized drone.
8 - Volo - Susie, the daughter of a random goat herder in some far-away valley, who doesn't know a thing about popular culture, is a good idea.
9 - Legate - an open-minded progressive Comrade

Dead:
El Gil - (mod)
Shastanis Althreduin - (Civ)
Meneltarmacil - (civ)
Thinlómien - (Henchgirl)

[Gil-Galad]

The sun creeps up sowly upon the horizion.

"Bawk! rescue appraoches bawk!" Peeko squacked about as the survivors slowly woke up and began heading back to the beach expecting something but they saw nothing.

"Bawk! 1 day peeko gives bawk!" to the disheartened people.

"Alright who are we missing this time" susie said to the group, right then they heard a faint scream

"its coming from the hill!" Legate yelled as he began running towards it through the forest. soon everyone was running when they all got to the hill they saw a burned down house with slinters of wood everywhere and next to it was a huge pike sticking out of the ground with Xyzzy and Macalure in it. Macalaure grumbled a bit and Nogrod and Brinniel ran up and pulled him off of Xyzzy who was already dead.

"bugger tried to kill...me... but was so loud could hear him a mile away..."
"Xyzzy loud? i haven't heard him say a word this whole time" Brinniel said right as Macaluare's eyes rolled up and his head turned.
"so have we got our second henchman?" Legate asked. Nogrod then bent down and rolled xyzzy over. ripped off his shirt revealing mass tattoos all over his back. "i guess so" Nogrod said

"bawk! roll him over! bawk!" peeko said while sitting on a log nearby

Nogrod looked at the parrot then at the group, then he slowly rolled Xyzzy over and it revealed more tattoos in the front.

"bawk! villain dead! bawk! villain dead! henchman mad! bawk!" Peeko squacked jumping up and down and then flew away.

DAY THREE BEGINS! SPECIALS STOP TALKING! PLAYERS MAY NOW POST! ENJOY!

Alive:


4 - Nogrod - tight upper lip conservative

6 - Brinniel - the hypocritical peace activist who goes to all extremes

8 - Volo - Susie, the daughter of a random goat herder in some far-away valley, who doesn't know a thing about popular culture, is a good idea.
9 - Legate - an open-minded progressive Comrade

Dead:
El Gil - (mod)
Shastanis Althreduin - (Civ)
Meneltarmacil - (Civ)
Thinlómien - (Henchgirl)
Macalaure - (Civ)
Xyzzy - (Villain)

[Volo]

Ok, that's it. I'm innocent. Scientist and Bodyguard, reveal yourselves. We win.

[Volo]

Hmm... I'll vote already now just for the fun of it. If I'm very wrong than tell me and I'll change my vote, probably to Legate.

++Brinniel

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whoa! That's an unexpected turn of events, comrades. At least we know that "Comrade" xyzzy was up to no good. But there is one henchman among us still, and unless I am mistaken, we have to get rid of him toDay or then we are all gone and no hopes for the proletariat. Fortunately, I have good news for you Comrades who dwell in the shadows of the imperialist oppression. I am the Super Science Doctor and I managed to reveal our last henchman this night. It's really nice how pretty company of innocent-looking girls was in fact only a bunch of reactionary murderers. But we, Soviet Sciencists, are able to outrun everyone. What do you say, Susie? Or should I call you Mr. Volo?

EDIT: x-ed with Volo. Ha-ha. I hoped to make it more interesting.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, and Mr. Nogrod is my bodyguard, if anything.

[Nogrod]

Uh-oh what a mess...

But I can back up what Legate says as I have been his faithful bodyguard these unhappy Days and Nights.

EDIT: X'd with Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So

++Volo

[Nogrod]

You said it comrade.

++ Volo

[Nogrod]

And three hurrahs for the three villagers!

You were a bit too easy pick after the events of the end of yesterDay Volo...

Sad that there wasn't more challenge. :D

[Volo]

Drat. :( I just don't know how I managed to mess things up. Sorry Lommy, sorry Xyzzy, I tried my best.



You politicians win!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, and one note - do you see the paranoid conspiracy-theorist was right somehow? The union of KGB and CIA was something far more brutal than what he could have thought of... :cool: ;)

Maybe Gil himself is a paranoid world-conspiracy theorist - otherwise he wouldn't have picked the roles like that :)

[Nogrod]

The union of KGB and CIA was something far more brutal than what he could have thought of... Like the good ol' times of the cold war going against the international lunatic criminals! And such fun!

It was a pleasure comrade.

I just don't know how I managed to mess things up.
I know. We helped you do that. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Indeed a pleasure. Thank you all, folks. Sorry, Volo...

I don't have the strength to say that. :D When is Comrade Brinniel coming? We cannot end without her.

[Brinniel]

Oh boy...well that all went over really quick. I had class when the Day began, plus other stuff, so I wasn't able to get her until now..

So, my vote:

++Volo

Is there anything more to say? I guess we just need to wait for the final narration...

[Nogrod]

Good to see you Brinn!

Is there anything more to say? I guess we just need to wait for the final narration...We might gloat a bit but maybe we just wait for Gil to end this first... :)

Good job people!

And so sad you had to die Mac. We were counting on you to help us this Day but happily Volo confessed on his own... :cool:

Although I'm a bit disappointed it ended this soon... Well, maybe Lommy's game (the next one) will go on a few more Days. I was just getting into this! :D

[Volo]

So what are the dreams?

[Volo]

2nd Night Lommy
3rd Night Mac
?

As much as I hate to say it and break the fun, but actually beginning to think that you're not going to retract your votes. Am I fooled or am I double-fooled?

[Volo]

I decided to get these things straights now, that I don't have to die of shock tomorrow.

1. I am innocent.

2. I truly thought that Legate's post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=535172&postcount=102) was a joke and not a bluff.
Because:
A) I know that I'm innocent and if he would have dreamed of me, he would have known it too, so he could have played a joke of voting me.
B) Legate was with me in Rikae's game where I pulled a Seer-bluff that looks somewhat similar to Legate's bluff here, if it's a bluff and not a joke. I would have never fallen for a bluff like that (I'm reminded of it every time I see my signiture for Clock's sake :rolleyes: ), or for the matter admitted being a Wolf, if I was one.
C) Legate's edit. I understood that as him admitting that he tried to confuse me into doubting his Seerdom, or something. Because my post with which he Xd no way hint that I would be a Wolf. So what did I spoil then with the post if not the joke?

3. Read my preveous posts and think if even the boldest Wolf you have seen would ever have posted such posts (I'm talking about the confusions about the double-lynch rules and protecting Lommy.) Think.

4. Read Brinniel's posts about Lommy and me mentioning it.

5. Read me mentioning in one of my last posts yesterDay how I think that Nogrod is innocent.

6. Read my second post toDay. I vote Brinniel because Legate and Nogrod have a trust-relationship and so more likely the two Gifteds. I don't have anything to lose, because if both Nogrod and Brinniel would have said that they are the Gifteds and not Legate, I would have retracted to him. I even mention that because I suspected him much more than Nogrod, whom I thought to be the Seer.

7. Think.


I'll love and admire you, Legate, forever, if it was a joke from the very beginning. :D

[Volo]

8. One of you two wins even if I am lynched toDay. Brinniel simply can't win anymore. Nogrod'll just hunt her down and one lone Gifted will survive the game. So actually it's all the same whether you retract your votes or no. :) (That is on the level of greater good.)

[Nogrod]

I decided to get these things straights now, that I don't have to die of shock tomorrow.

1. I am innocent.

Drat. I just don't know how I managed to mess things up. Sorry Lommy, sorry Xyzzy, I tried my best.

You politicians win!

Do we need more? :cool:

PS. Nice try though... :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, you see, after I spent several minutes ROFL when I saw Volo's reaction, I don't want to retract at all...:):p

[Volo]

8. One of you two wins even if I am lynched toDay. Brinniel simply can't win anymore. Nogrod'll just hunt her down and one lone Gifted will survive the game. So actually it's all the same whether you retract your votes or no. :) (That is on the level of greater good.)

Actually this doesn't work... I mixed the Hunter with the Assassin. So, you better retract. I'm not going to try and convince you, but you overestimate me by a lot, my friends. I'd consider myself the greatest lier ever if all that I said there was a bluff, so I too will regret that Double-G will write "Volo - (Innocent)" instead of "Volo (Henchman)".

[Volo]

Do we need more? :cool:

PS. Nice try though... :p

:( Why does playing Wolf work with Fea and not me.

[Volo]

Drat. :( I just don't know how I managed to mess things up. Sorry Lommy, sorry Xyzzy, I tried my best.



You politicians win!

I already explained that I found the situation more than hilarious and though made the mistake of thinking that you were laughing with me and not at me. Why would I ever admit being a Wolf and let it be at that, only realising many hours later that maybe they did in fact take it seriously?

I demand some sincere thanks from Lommy and Brinniel after this game.

[Volo]

You really suit your roles. If you can't be narrow-minded about the social structure, you have to turn your narrow-mindness to something else or else you suffocate.

:p

:D

Sorry, after having said that I have little hope of you retracting your votes, but the situation just required that.

Good luck Noggie, chosing whom you protect next Night.

[Nogrod]

Think of the following Volo.

Were you innocent you would be outraged, confused, desperate...

You would ask how is this possible that the gifteds have got it wrong? Has Gil given the Super Scientist misinformation? Is there a secret in the game set up in a way that the roles we were told are not the ones there actually exist and there is some great evil going on behind the curtains? You would ask if we lie about your innocense and why on earth are we doing it? You would in a word challenge our knowledge about your role.

But I have seen almost nothing of this innocent reaction from you. On the contrary first you confessed your henchmanship and then after a long pause tried to defend yourself by this joking-hypotheses. Even if the main reason of playing ww is having fun it's pretty hard to imagine people jokingly voting or confessing in this kind of situation.

So your own actions nailed you my friend. Had you been an innocent and thinking of Legate's announcement as a joke you would have included a disclaimer of some sort to your joking confession and not left your confession to stand as your last word for 6½ hours...

And I can see quite clearly where you are coming from right now. After your initial confession you later saw certain lines in the discussion like:
I just don't know how I managed to mess things up.I know. We helped you do that.
We might gloat a bit but maybe we just wait for Gil to end this first... ... And so sad you had to die Mac. We were counting on you to help us this Day but happily Volo confessed on his own...And started to wonder the actual scientific experiments... now could it be that you were not definitively nailed as yet? Maybe Legate had experimented with Mac and not you the previous Night? So maybe we didn't actually know you're evil but just tested you? So there might be a chance to try and make us doubt your guilt after all?

Based on what I said above I see no reason to retract my vote Volo even though it's sad that a nice game ends this soon.

[Volo]

I really did believe that it was joke, that Legate did dream of me and wanted to confuse me. But he didn't dream of me, because I'm innocent. I think that me knowing that he didn't dream of me is a sign itself that I'm not lying now.

I didn't vote Brinniel jokingly. I voted already then rather jokingly, but the vote was meant for her, because of the stated reasons.

Why am I not outraged, confused or desperate.
I'm not outraged in WW, and anyway did being outraged help Lommy. It isn't a sign of an innocent. My post-frenzies don't depend on my role, but I'd say that I've been most outraged when I was a Wolf and in a tight spot talking about Oddwen's game here. Then again, I was just as frenzied in Jenny's game when innocent, and got lynched for it.
Confused, well, I have been confused with the rules, but I don't believe that Legate dreamt of me and got wrong information.
Desperate? Oh, I am desperate. I just can't think of anything that would prove my innocence better than what I've already said. I could come with many ideas why I'm innocent, but just as well I could come with many points why you or Legate are wolves, or Brinniel is an assassin, or anything else, but they wouldn't be convincing, would they?

I think a true confession is a spoiler of WW, and sigh every time somebody confesses (except for Menel's confession in Valier's game).
Keep this in mind in future games.

[Volo]

Ok, I'll tell one of my main points in a clearer way.

3. Read my preveous posts and think if even the boldest Wolf you have seen would ever have posted such posts (I'm talking about the confusions about the double-lynch rules and protecting Lommy.) Think.

I defended Lommy with risking my own health instead of staying low, even after it was rather clear that she would be lynched, unlike Brinniel who by the time moved from here "ignore partner" to "stay with the flow and vote partner" mode.

If the Henchman kill their villain during the night, they lose there next kill next night. then the night after that they get a double kill. but with low numbers i am suspending the double kill and the bodyguards dual duties. but if the villain gets killed by henchman they still lose the next night. If the Villain is lynched the Henchman still can kill, but the bodyguard gets a double protection bonus for that.

makes sense?

Wonderful! This means that my speculations were wrong and it does indeed makes a lot of sense killing the villain.

I brought up the whole subject of henchman double-lynches and even asked Gil about it. If all my posts with the changing moods are a bluff then I'm ready to regard myself the best Wolf, ever. Although I die for them, they simply are better faked than any other bluffs. I'm not that Wolf.

Can't you see how Brinniel's attitude to Lommy is quite typical and book-smart?

[Nogrod]

Okay, here's the deal.

-- Volo

++ Brinn

So.
Volo ++ Brinniel1
Legate ++ Volo1
Nogrod ++ Volo2
Brinniel ++ Volo3
Nogrod -- Volo2
Nogrod ++ Brinniel2

Which leads to a doublelynch.

Now Legate - if around - may choose to change if he wishes but this way the innocents win for sure.

Brinn has no chance of avoiding the gallows unless Volo wants to let her off the hook.

[Volo]

:D Smart move, somehow I forgot that one. :):)

[Nogrod]

Long live the co-operation of CIA and KGB! :)

[Volo]

I told you, and how good that you listened enought to be on the sure side! I forgot the double-lynch...

[Volo]

2G is probably quite upset having written my tragical death, needing to add Brinn to it. :D

I'll help digging the drave. For myself, you may throw Brinniel down a cliff. :D

[Brinniel]

Haha, cutting it a bit close weren't you? ;)

I knew you wouldn't let Volo just die like that and not take me down. I didn't get online until just now, but that was certainly entertaining to read, lol.

[Volo]

I'd go for another round. But I think something should be agreed about players like Xyzzy... :/

[Brinniel]

Okay, so where's Gil?

I wants to discuss!

[Nogrod]

Okay, so where's Gil?

I wants to discuss!Seconded indeed!

[Volo]

Well, what's stopping you, let's discuss.

[Gil-Galad]

Game over! Specials win! Henchman lose! Villain lose! Discuss! Enjoy!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

...*blink*

No ending plot? No role revelations?

I'm confused.

[Volo]

Nogrod - Bodyguard
Legate - Scientist
Xyzzy - Villain
Lommy - Henchm- girl
Brinniel - Henchgirl or do you prefer some other title?
The rest are innocent.

2G is probably very busy so we'll get more in due time.

Well, what can I say about the game? It was too short. Why don't people want to play WW? :S We need new members, and old members back.

I was half-asleep through most of the game so my confusion factor was high. I enjoyed the game. I'm a bit disappointed with the ending, but at least this was a game which ended as a win for my side since a long time, although I can't say that I contributed to it too much.

Shasta's and Menel's early deaths were a bit too early and Xyzzy's absence is a matter that should be discussed at last.

Otherwise I want to congratulate Legate, Mac and Nogrod on catching Lommy. There were none real high-points other that that.

Oh, and Leagate, I'm sad it wasn't a joke.

[Thinlómien]

But actually I and Xyzzy were originally the henchpeople.

Brinn was the villain and she and Xyzzy changed roles at the hour of Xyzzy's death. Didn't you wonder my last words and the pronoun "we"? It was all because I did not know 2G (gotta love that nickname :D) was going to change the roles and I thought the game was over with both henchepeople executed at the end of Day2.

[Volo]

But actually I and Xyzzy were originally the henchpeople.

Brinn was the villain and she and Xyzzy changed roles at the hour of Xyzzy's death. Didn't you wonder my last words and the pronoun "we"? It was all because I did not know 2G (gotta love that nickname :D) was going to change the roles and I thought the game was over with both henchepeople executed at the end of Day2.

Now I understand your frustration better. :( But I was right with this then. ;)

I did wonder what the we was about as it would have been unfair on Brinn and it was a surprise to me that you were a henchgirl and not the villain, and Brinn and Xyzzy the henchcreatures.

[Thinlómien]

I guess I have to congratulate you villagers. You were quite superior. :D

Brinn - you were awesome as well. I would never have guessed you were the villain. I thought it must be Nogrod or maybe Volo.

Funny, on Night1 I had hard time deciding whether to kill Menel or Legate... :rolleyes:

And I really wasn't that frustrated on Day2 and if I was annoyed with someone, it was myself (and Xyzzy), not any of you. Sorry for being a bit harsh. I realised I was doomed if I continued the way I was playing so I decided to see how you'd react if I went totally crazy. I'm both sad and glad you weren't convinced. I hoped you'd be confused and think I was too touchy even for a wolf. Like Legate said, it was not normal innocent-Lommy -behaviour, but I hoped you'd realise it was not normal guilty-Lommy behaviour either. And it was a way of having fun, I admit. The funniest part of the game for me was when I was attacking Nogrod and I was beginning to be more and more convinced he actually was a wolf - until I realised he can't be because I'm a wolf and my fellow's Xyzzy! :D I think most of your arguments against me were more than reasonable (for example when Mac said why he thought Menel was killed I realised I had subconsciously acted just that way!), but there were some very fishy arguments as well - since when, for example, has Nogrod thought it's wolvish to try to think from a wolf's perspective? *insert some ugly grinning smilie here*

Anyway, thanks for a great game everybody, I think you all did very well. And now that this was such a short game and you certainly want to have some more ww in order to be satisfied, you can sign up to my game as soon as I get the final roles decided and an admin-thread up (which should be in a few days)...

[Volo]

I would never have guessed you were the villain. I thought it must be Nogrod or maybe Volo.
Hey! Me being confused or confusing doesn't mean anything about my role! :somerandomsmiliethatshowsmycurrentmoodofwhichI'mn otcompletelysure: I understand that I can be more than frustrating at times with my nonsense. You can always tell me to shut up, though I'm not sure if that works.

...

Sorry, out of topic. What shall we do about Xyzzy?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I.... uh. Posted twice, I think. I can't remember.

Congrats to the innocents.

[Nogrod]

Don't be so fast dealing out the roles you know nothing about Susie! :D

I was indeed the Super Scientist and Legate was my bodyguard. We just thought it best to come into the open with roles turned around just in case we'd need to fight someone the next Night. If the henchman would believe our roles the wrong way we could have used it to our advantage.

Happily Xyzzy-villain was killed and we needn't the trick.

So my first experiment was on Lommy who turned out henchman. Just think how I laughed myself when I accused her from trying to think like the wolves do... :p

I also tried to look like a seer on Day2 because Legate had defended himself on the first Night of the game and so could have protected me the next one. Sadly it was Mac who died. For Mac was the target of my second experiment.

We discussed it at length whether to choose Mac or Brinn as my target on N3 as we suspected both of them and finally decided - the villain factor being around as well at that time - that we win more and lose less with Mac not being a baddie than with Brinn.

We also discussed that we could use our retractables to get some information from the remaining people and Legate would go first to "reveal" himself as the scientist... Nicely done Legate! As the Day went further I finally realised that I just had to finish it off.

Hurrah KGB, hurrah CIA! :rolleyes:

And you can imagine the amount of text Legate and I produced via PM's in just the two Nights! It's something like 20 pages of discussion and speculation... And some people say we write lengthy posts in the thread!

But it was a lots of fun indeed! Thanks Legate once again!

And thanks to all you others as well!

It was sad to see Mac die so early - as well as Lommy. You both really made some efforts to engage in the game.

Same goes to Volo in the end. You really made an effort and I do appreciate it - even if your logic is sometimes hard to follow from the first reading and only clarifies after you have posted ten times after that...

Brinn was also nicely between the line of active and concealed - actually contributing a lot for us to chew. Great!

From others I'd hope a bit more active stance to the gaming. Just guessing from oneliners or none at all is frustrating and not exactly playing a game.

And thanks to Gil for an entertaining concept of play. The in-character stuff was pretty fun in this one - and challenging to me at least as I'm myself anything else but a McCarthian conservative...

[Brinniel]

Yeah, as it has been stated before, I was NOT the henchman (girl, whatever) until Night 3. My last henchman slacked off, so I had to punish him, then do the dirty work myself. :rolleyes:

But really, Gil asked me halfway through Night 3 if I would switch roles to keep the game going and I agreed. Even if xyzzy hadn't been default killed, you guys would've figured out the no-kill came from him.

Day 1

Went quite well actually. Props to Lommy for getting the ball rolling on the idea of lynching a quiet player. Her wolf-on-wolf vote was risky, but it worked for that Day at least. I knew Shasta had to be innocent, so in my evil plotting, I voted him.

I slightly had a hunch that Lommy was evil, so I was careful to avoid her.

Day 2

I still thought Lommy might be a henchgirl, so I didn't want to place any suspicion on her originally. But as I read through the posts and I finally got the chance to write something halfway through the Day, it was pretty much impossible to avoid. Lommy was acting very odd...even for a baddie. I remembered back to one time when she was a wolf, completely calm and innocent-looking; she had totally fooled me. So, I thought perhaps she had fooled me again and played with the idea of her being a gifted. And the only thing I could do without looking completely guilty was add on the pressure. In the next few hours when the votes started coming in, Lommy never revealed, so I ruled out that possibility. Though I was about 90% sure she was a henchgirl, at that point I felt stuck, so I just hopped on the bandwagon like everyone else.

When I reflect back on it, I think I would've played it out differently...like cause a double lynch. After all, I wasn't that concerned about my life. And I definitely would've done it differently if I knew xyzzy was a henchman. But I had Halloween festivities, plus a screenplay due the next day, so I was too tired for cleverness. Sorry Lommy.

Night 3

I got Gil's PM somewhere around 2am that night, I think. I was exhausted trying to finish my homework and the deadline is about 45 minutes after I have to go to class. So unfortunately, I didn't have a lot of time to think through my kill (though surely I did better than xyzzy). I came to the decision that Mac and Nogrod were the gifteds, after going through a phase of suspecting each other, but never going through with their suspicions. Nogrod seemed so obviously gifted to me after Day 2, and I thought there would be a good chance he would be protected. So, I went for Mac hoping that if he was a hunter, he wouldn't hunt me. If I had taken down a gifted, I would've claimed the other role on Day 3 and let the civilians guess which is the right one. Sadly, Mac wasn't a gifted.

Day 3

Unfortunate result for me. I discovered there was no way I could claim giftedness. The only way I could avoid a dead-on revealing was if the Seer dreamt of Mac or xyzzy. So, I was confused when Legate revealed Volo as a henchman. So, was it a joke on him? I was started to think it was more of a joke on me...playing with your prey before actually killing it. I don't know...all I could do was play along.

I went to bed assuming both votes would be switch to me by the time I woke up, and that wasn't so. I started to think Legate and Nogrod would let Volo die, but only to set up a trap for me. After all, I couldn't go after Nogrod because he'd hunt me and Legate probably would be protected. Or maybe since they had the advantage of communicating at Night (something the henchmen never had), they decided to trick me and switch roles. That way, I would go after Legate thinking he was the seer, but in fact he was the bodyguard...then he'd hunt me down.

I knew from early on I was a goner. If I didn't die toDay, I would die later. There really wasn't any way of avoiding it...

Anyways...

Congrats to the villagers, especially our gifted for their excellent work.

And though Lommy, things didn't go so well for you, you made a good effort. I know how it feels to lack a teammate for an entire game...it's quite frustrating. And if I recall correctly, this isn't the first time you were paired as a wolf with xyzzy (that goes all the way back to Menel's game). Though in all fairness, he at least showed up then...

In every game, there always seems to be at least one no-show. I agree it's really frustrating. Perhaps there should be a penalty, like if you are default-killed or a no-show for two games in a row, you are not allowed to play in the next game. That may be harsh, but no-shows can spoil the fun...

This was a good game, though short one. I don't mind smaller games, except it's been that way for sometime now. And now it's taking a month or more to even get games going...that's a bit long. I really hope we can somehow get the interest in WW back up...there's so many players that haven't been around lately.

Lommy- You can count on me to join your game, as long as it isn't running during Thanksgiving weekend (Nov. 21-25 for those who don't know).

(I was trying to figure out why no one else was busy on Day 2 going out and celebrating Halloween...then I realised I was the only American still alive. I don't know how Halloween is celebrated in Europe, but I know it isn't nearly as a big deal as it is in the US. Anyways, that's my excuse for being gone for most of Day 2.. :rolleyes:)

[Brinniel]

I was indeed the Super Scientist and Legate was my bodyguard. We just thought it best to come into the open with roles turned around just in case we'd need to fight someone the next Night. If the henchman would believe our roles the wrong way we could have used it to our advantage.

Aha, I was right! And I had suspected you as the Seer, Nogrod. I'm glad I didn't go after you. It's a good thing you changed your vote, because in my suspicion that you two were trying to fool me, I probably would've chosen you, not Legate for my kill...

And thanks to Gil for an entertaining concept of play. The in-character stuff was pretty fun in this one - and challenging to me at least as I'm myself anything else but a McCarthian conservative...
Agreed. I was laughing throughout Day 1 at all the in-character posts. And Nogrod, you were quite a believable conservative. :p

[Nogrod]

Or maybe since they had the advantage of communicating at Night (something the henchmen never had), they decided to trick me and switch roles. That way, I would go after Legate thinking he was the seer, but in fact he was the bodyguard...then he'd hunt me down.That was indeed the plan if things would have gone wrong from our point of view...

Well perceived!

But yes I do agree with this unfortunate thing of the henchemen never getting to work as a team. Well it's Lommy's game as the next one and I don't know whether there is anywhere a rule that one needs to take in everyone who wish to sign in. I'd bar Xyzzy at least for a few games if he doesn't show up and both apologise & promise to actually play. A non-poster actually spoils the fun much more effectively than a oneliner-poster which position can in principle be defended as a strategy whether one appreciates it or not.

It's a good thing you changed your vote, because in my suspicion that you two were trying to fool me, I probably would've chosen you, not Legate for my kill...That was what I was afraid of until I realised there was a path open to secure the win already during the Daytime. Then I just had to sit back and bite my nails for Volo not to make a suicidal retraction from frustration and change his vote to himself while waiting for the deadline to come... :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Thank you, Nogrod and Legate, now I can think I succeeded in something - I KNEW you were bluffing and assuming each other's roles! I KNEW! You were quite transparent there, congratulating each other... :p

I know how it feels to lack a teammate for an entire game...it's quite frustrating. Probably the most annoying situation you can get into when playing ww. There's no one to negotiate and speculate with, there's no one you can try to save when you reallaise you're going down whatever you do and lastly, you feel like you're completely alone. Currently, I have the feeling that I never want to be a wolf again. I have been wolf thrice. First time it was my second game ever and I was so nervous typing was difficult 'cos my hands were shaking (really :D) and I ended up a Fenris wolf thanks to my mate Anguirel. Second time I was a wolf with Glirdan and Xyzzy. Neither replied pms on Night1. I took part in Glirdy's lynching on Day1 as that was the wisest thing to do. Night2 Xyzzy failed to send our kill and there was no kill at all. Also, Mac the seer dreamed of me so I got lynched on Day2. And the most ironic thing here was that he didn't dream of me because he found me particularly suspicious, but because he thought that by learning my identity he might be able to guess the identities of some other villagers. Lastly, I was sick and with no net access so I had to play in public libraries sneezing all the time and didn't manage to post a lot. And now, this game, which was more or less a disaster from my part. If someone has a reason to dislike being a wolf, it must be me. :D Well, there's no chance I'll end up a wolf in the next game... *smug smilie*

And I hope I don't sound grudgy/whining, for I actually feel quite good about this game. I sure learned a lot about the art of being a nasty fanged hairy thing... especially what not to do. *if I hadn't exceeded the smiley quota already, I'd add one here*

[Nogrod]

Thank you, Nogrod and Legate, now I can think I succeeded in something - I KNEW you were bluffing and assuming each other's roles! I KNEW! You were quite transparent there, congratulating each other... :pSo no one fell for that? :rolleyes:

But what comes to the congratulating on Day3 that was all meant to put pressure on Volo as we acted like it was game over already. A wolf might have cracked there and confessed - like Volo actually did at first! :confused:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I have to say that this game was very interesting and funny, despite the fact that it was indeed very short. But it was full of these "hidden struggles" and the henchmen did really good job in some parts - Lommy's vote for xyzzy (with this, we almost totally discarded the possibility that xyzzy was a henchman. It is true that a large part of that decision was based on the fact that xyzzy did not appear at all - of course, had he appeared, our reasoning would have been probably very different) and even Brinniel kept the good level of secrecy (probably I would not have thought her a villain, on Day 1 and at the start of Day 2 I thought her being a henchman - which, in fact, is good for a henchman).

But what comes to the congratulating on Day3 that was all meant to put pressure on Volo as we acted like it was game over already. A wolf might have cracked there and confessed - like Volo actually did at first!
Indeed. I was a try, and it could have worked. It was the possible way to minimalize the losses. Apologies once more Volo, but when you reacted the way that you "confessed", that was a moment when it was "clear" that you are a baddie. Why would an innocent confess after he gathered 50% votes from the gifted?

Thank you, Nogrod and Legate, now I can think I succeeded in something - I KNEW you were bluffing and assuming each other's roles! I KNEW! You were quite transparent there, congratulating each other...
Transparent? :rolleyes:;)
But it did not work at all? Not even on Brinn? Maybe we should have done that the other way around...

Funny, on Night1 I had hard time deciding whether to kill Menel or Legate...
I see the protection of myself was not that much waste after all. From what I read (also from Brinniel), there were moments when the game was balancing on the edge. Well, in such a small village it's quite normal, but... It was nice of you that you didn't target me, though. Not as nice against poor Menel (looks like some sort of disease - "Brinnomenelitide", causes players to die in less than two days. Brinn looks almost cured now, however).

If there was anything bad on this game then it was that it was too short, with so few players, and I need to say also a little bit "confusing". Writing simple, clear summary of rules - ALL rules, and FINAL rules - in the first post of the admin thread when the game started would have helped a lot. When the rules change in the course of preparing the game (and this game has been prepared to start for really a long time), it's always better to sum them up.
But the setting was very interesting and the roles were fun. I really enjoyed our little CIA-KGB plot with Nogrod and even the role (although I clinged to the stereotype. No one says or, I believe ever said "Comrade" in every sentence, except maybe Milouš Jakeš...). So thanks Gil for this refreshing setting and a funny game.

[Gil-Galad]

i'm glad you all enjoyed it. if you really want i might put a end game plot up but give me a day or two...

i was mostly sad that i didn't get to use my Villain Concept... perhaps another game it can be used. it just makes a Cobbler role more interesting then just being pushed aside.

[Brinniel]

But it did not work at all? Not even on Brinn? Maybe we should have done that the other way around...
Well, if it helps...I fell for it at first. Then as I was lying in bed think, I realised there was a possibility you guys had switched roles. Towards the end I wasn't 100% sure, but I think it's safe to say had you guys let me live, there would've been a 75% chance that I chose Nogrod and won.

Indeed. I was a try, and it could have worked. It was the possible way to minimalize the losses. Apologies once more Volo, but when you reacted the way that you "confessed", that was a moment when it was "clear" that you are a baddie. Why would an innocent confess after he gathered 50% votes from the gifted?
Not only did you confuse Volo, but you really confused me. I couldn't understand why you had targeted him when I knew he was innocent. Then after Volo stated he thought it was a joke, I then started to think it was a joke on me too. That you two already knew I was guilty, and you guys were just playing around to keep the last Day interesting. So I went to bed, expecting to wake up dead.* But when the retractions didn't come immediately following, I got confused again. I was literally speechless...in my confusion, I didn't want to say anything that would condemn me and be used as an excuse to switch votes, so I thought I ought to just keep my mouth shut, which probably was the best choice. I didn't figure out what was really going on until after the game ended. Smart move killing us both....a guaranteed win for the innocents.

*Waking up dead? Wait...is that even possible? :rolleyes:

looks like some sort of disease - "Brinnomenelitide", causes players to die in less than two days. Brinn looks almost cured now, however
Haha, yes I am indeed. At least when it comes to special roles it seems. We'll have to wait and see if I can last as an ordinary...for some reason I do an absolutely horrible job at playing the easiest role...

[Macalaure]

Wow. Now that was a confusing finish. Kudos to Volo, Nogrod, and Legate!

Actually, I was strongly suspected that Brinniel had a special role from Day One on (I used to be on the same wolf team as well as the same gifted team as her before), but I didn't know for which side, so I kept my mouth shut.

It's a pity that the roles didn't work out as they could have been due to the shortness of the game and the absence of one.

The game setting was hilarious! I think I never wrote two posts entirely in character in any game before. :D When the admin thread was first up a long time ago, my first idea was to play a McCarthy-type conservative. Then I scrolled down and saw that excatly that role was already taken, so I chose an almost opposite role and took revenge by trying to in-character-lynch Nogrod. :p

[Volo]

Indeed. I was a try, and it could have worked. It was the possible way to minimalize the losses. Apologies once more Volo, but when you reacted the way that you "confessed", that was a moment when it was "clear" that you are a baddie. Why would an innocent confess after he gathered 50% votes from the gifted?
Hey! Now I remember why I thought it was a joke! It was your votes. They came even before I said anything that would have pointed out me being Wolf, so I decided that Legate dreamt of me and knew my role.

Good try anyway! :)

*Waking up dead? Wait...is that even possible? :rolleyes:
Oh, that, at the very least, is possible on the Downs!


This (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/ih8mcdonalds/DSC_0231.jpg) is my note from Day1.
Don't ask, I have no idea.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hey! Now I remember why I thought it was a joke! It was your votes. They came even before I said anything that would have pointed out me being Wolf, so I decided that Legate dreamt of me and knew my role.
Nah, I voted because you did not respond immediately (it would have to be really fast) and mainly because I thought that a wolf could think that it's not serious if we were just speaking. If we really knew who is the wolf and the game was won for us, it wouldn't make much sense to mess around - of course, unless we wanted to enjoy it.

This (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/ih8mcdonalds/DSC_0231.jpg) is my note from Day1.
Don't ask, I have no idea.
??? :D

[Volo]

Nah, I voted because you did not respond immediately (it would have to be really fast) and mainly because I thought that a wolf could think that it's not serious if we were just speaking. If we really knew who is the wolf and the game was won for us, it wouldn't make much sense to mess around - of course, unless we wanted to enjoy it.
Yes, I gathered that. The plan was good and logical. :)

??? :D
Exactly. No, wait, that's day2 as Menel's down. Just shows how wrong I was, and how somebody else creapt into my room. Somebody who knows the names of you Downers. Scary, as I haven't been inviting anybody lately.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yes, I gathered that. The plan was good and logical. :)

Although it could have ended terrible if failed. At least the double-lynch was possible (here you see how we think about casualties. The main thing is that we saved the scientist, otherwise - collateral damage).

[Volo]

Although it could have ended terrible if failed. At least the double-lynch was possible (here you see how we think about casualties. The main thing is that we saved the scientist, otherwise - collateral damage).
Well I'm sure CSI and KBG can sacrifice a farmer's daughter or two in order to create a better world for all of us. And like you all know only important people make the world better.