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Old 10-28-2007, 10:00 PM   #1
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Tol-In-Gaurhoth XXXVIII - E.T.T.T.S.O.W.I.

Welcome to the thrilling WereWolf Chapter 38: Tol-In-Gaurhoth XXXVIII - Escape to the Terrible Secret of Werewolf Island!


The sun simmered on the horizon through the glare of the dining room windows and the boat was gently swaying with the current. it was Dinner time on the S.S. Mr. Adventure and all the guests were sitting down eating and being served by the crew. well by all the guest i mean 9 indiviuals and by crew i mean the burly Captain. El Gil was his name. His name has been passed down for generations though he was not spanish. His ancestors depised the spanish and it made them happy to pass down a spanish name. They weren't highly reconized in their village but they made there lives there and continued on. back at the Dining room, there was discussion all about. Meneltarmacil was trying to explain the latest theory to Xyzzy, but he would not listen because there is no possible way parachute pants attract Martian Ants to come land. Meanwhile Thinlomien and Shastanis Althreduin were lsot in conversation of what the next best flower is too wear while deciding which flamamble liquid is good too use on burning fur coats that is friendly to the environment, while susie was staring blindly into the conversation trying to add in her childhood knowledge of goats when it can be used. On the other end of the dining hall Nogrod and Legate continue to stare at each other because of their different political agendas leaving Macalaure in an awkward position as Brinniel was spraying baby seals coats with spray paint while writing down her next anti-war leaflet at the same time.

El Gil then came out of the kitchen wiping his hands. "my dear guests! my lovely Peeko the Parrot tells me that we have a storm coming in, so i suggest you take in this horizon before the clouds come in!" everyone then looks over to the window when there was a loud crash and the lights went sharply out only to have then flicker back on moments later. everyone began looking around in surprise.

"have no fear! its just the generator, she may be an old ship that has been stuck in 6 hurricanes, 3 giant squid attacks, 5 or 6 mutinies, 3 wars, but she is sturdy, though going through 23 tsunamis, 5 mine explosions, 12 holes in the hull, a evil nazi-experiment plot and the Reconquista she is a tought lass!"

everyone then began to settle down, but for some reason nobody felt inclined to eat anymore. The sun began to sink as everyone left the dining hall for there bunks to settle down for the night.

The storm came quicker then Peeko squaked about and the S.S. Mr. Adventure began swaying faster and faster as El Gil the captain was manning the helm by himself. The guests were having a troubled sleep, but each of them eventually drifted off.

they were suddenly woken as the PA system buzzed on with voices over it
"...are you talking about? i know nothing of them!"
"do...fools old man, we know..."
"they can see you coming a...away!"
"...you do know then! let us...him then find the boss"
"...what!... no! they will survive just..."

the PA system then buzzes out as the lights go off again and great lurching of the ship begins and creeking all about...then a loud noise is heard and the ship is shook hard... everyone fades to black...


NIGHT ONE BEGINS! HENCHMAN MAY BEGIN DISCUSSING! BODYGUARD AND SUPER SCIENTIST MAY ALSO TALK! ENJOY MY DEARIES! PEEKO SAYS HI!

[Side note: yes i know originally that bodyguard and Super scientist had no knowledge of each other, but i messed up and accidently told them both of each other, but all the other rules still stand to there most recent altering![/end side note]
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:00 AM   #2
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The sun came creeping in as bodies began to stir about on the sand. it was mid morning and it was hot. As everyone began to walk away from the wreckage they looked around. they were on an island. around the shore there were rocks of many sizes and 20 feet from the coast line there was a line of dense jungle, which reaches all the way to the bottom of a single mountain standing jagged in the middle of the island, next to that mountain was a small hill with something in the middle of it, but it was too far to judge exactly from this distance.

One by one the survivors struggled from the wreckage and got to a big rock just about halfway from the water to the trees. "what had happened?" thinlomien asked as Nogrod began trying to empty his head of water. "must have been one heck of a storm... but for some reason that isn't troubling me" Legate stated as he walked up to the group. "then it wasn't just me that heard that... i wonder what it was all about" Brinniel said asking around. Macalaure then blurted out loud "hey! wheres the captain!?" everyone began looking around, but they did not see El Gil anywhere. "alright everyone is here, lets look for Gil, hopefully he washed up on shore with the rest of us too" Shastanis Althreduin said to the agreeing nods of the survivors.

As everyone began looking around, Susielooked over and saw Peeko standing on the other side of a piece of the boat. Susieran around and eyes widen with horror. "i found him!" Susieyelled as she remained motionless. Xyzzy was the first to reach Susieand he too remained shocked. everyone came up and each of them saw the horror.

Upon the bow of the S.S. Mr.Adventure, there was El Gil pinned on it with the Bowmast sticking through his chest and Peeko on his shoulder.
"bawk. no you henchman bawk!" Peeko squacked.
"Hey listen to that bird!" Meneltarmacil said.
"bawk! the super science doctor will survive! bawk!"
"what is that bird talking about?" Nogrod stated but was quickly hushed by everyone else so they can listen to the bird.
"bawk! secret bodyguard will protect and revenge. bawk!"
the survivors began staring at the bird as it continued its rant
"Bawk! villain about. but no knows henchman! Peeko knows! Peeko knows! Bawk!"

"am i hearing that bird right? this was murder and we have the murderers with us right now!?" Legate said to the survivors
"Thats what the bird is saying... but what can we do to protect us incase we are killed again?" macalaure asked puzzling.
"well i guess we got to decide amongst ourselves and choose who we each think is one of these henchman and villain!" legate said after a period of silence. everyone looked at Legate awkwardly.
"...what? oh don't worry my comrades i love open ideas!" legate quickly responded after understanding there confusion.
"then i guess we will make a vote at the end of every day and decide who lives or dies... so that we can avenge the captains death." Brinniel stated and every nodded with agreement, though most reluctantly.
"bawk! rescue comes! who survives? Peeko knows! bawk!" Peeko squacked out as it began to fly high above the island and the everyone began to head inland towards the island.

DAY ONE BEGINS! HENCHMAN AND SPECIALS STOP TALKING! EVERYONE MAY NOW BEGIN TALKING! ENJOY!

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1 - Meneltarmacil - Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist
2 - Shastanis Althreduin - a tree-hugging, fur coat-burning, hardcore animal activist
3 - Thinlómien - young and idealistic hippie maiden with flowers in her hair.
4 - Nogrod - tight upper lip conservative
5 - Macalaure - student activist
6 - Brinniel - the hypocritical peace activist who goes to all extremes
7 - Xyzzy - Fully commercialized drone.
8 - Volo - Susie, the daughter of a random goat herder in some far-away valley, who doesn't know a thing about popular culture, is a good idea.
9 - Legate - an open-minded progressive Comrade
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:14 AM   #3
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I saw how that bird was treated, and I for one am happy he's free of that horrible old man. You know I peeked in his room once. There was a cage.

...A CAGE. Honestly. Can you believe it? That poor parrot stuffed into a cage to while away his days like so much trash, except for the times he's paraded about like a possession. Ooh, it makes me so mad!

I'm going to go meditate. Call me if you find something.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:42 AM   #4
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Oh my... I thought that electing that Kennedy guy for president was the liberal nightmare! Stuck in an island with bloodthirsty henchmen and a tracherous villain - obviously commies the whole bunch - with these hippies and what not... God, do I really deserve this?

All right people. Order. That's what we need. Order. I'm afraid meditating isn't going to get us out from the trouble.

And clear rules are needed. For instance, what happens if the villain dies? Do the henchmen go on with their atrocities even if their boss is dead? Is the balance of innocents vs. baddies counted only by the henchmen or will the villain be added to the count as well? If the henchmen all die the villain looks to me to be left powerless and we will win our lives, right? Or do we have to get her/him too?

Does that odd parrot have answers or do we have to just rely on guesswork?

Oh how I hate mess and untidy situations... Ordnung muss sein.
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Old 10-29-2007, 11:46 AM   #5
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I for one am not comfortable with the idea of there being murderers among us. But really...is this vote to decide who dies thing completely necessary? Couldn't we just vote to lock someone up?

Already one death has occurred. We should avoid letting anymore blood be spilled.

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Just wait a little, Comrades. All ideas are welcome, but we must progress systematically.

First, we should make a central commitee. Who of you, Comrades, is in the Party? Don't tell me that no one is. All right, I guess we have to skip this step. I see, Comrades, that we are really a nice company here. We have proletarians, peasants - right, Comrade Susie - even brain power, is that right, Comrade Macalaure... the trouble is that we have these subversive elements among us. Those... henchmen and villain or whatever they are called. Yes, the henchmen of the reactionary powers. They want to kill a super science doctor! That speaks for everything.

But we must not let ourselves down, Comrades! We are going to line out a three-day plan, and we are going to find the villain and the henchmen, and fulfil the plan by 150%!

Now, Comrade Shasta. Please don't just sit and... whatever you do. From each according to his ability, but don't tell me your only ability is to... sleep or whatever you do.

On the other hand, I am very pleased with you, Comrade Nogrod. There's only that unfortunate background of yours, but otherwise, your attention is really a progressive one. You see, we cannot accept you right to the Party. But if you showed some interest, let's say, prepared some nice transparent for the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, I could put in a word for you.
The questions you pose will be, no doubt, answered soon. Personally, though without the final word from Kremlin I cannot say that for sure, I am inclined to think that the henchmen, out of pure reactionary intentions, are going to continue in their attacks even after we manage to catch their leader. However, all this situation looks very complicated and I believe more clarification would help us. Perhaps the bird, however strange it is, could be of some help in this aspect.

Comrade Brinniel. We have horrible monsters among us, who will not stop with terrorizing us until we lynch them out. It is the time to raise our arms, Comrades, and do something about it. Just sitting is not going to do the job. I'm afraid some blood needs to be spilled, Comrade Brinniel. But don't worry, it will be only the blood of traitors!

So let us give everyone the chance to speak now, and then we'll know more.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:10 PM   #7
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Peace. Flowers. Freedom. Happiness. Hey guys, you should listen to Brinniel. She's got the thing! Let's not lynch anybody! Let's just discuss in friendship and love. See, I've got some mushrooms...

I'm slightly confused about the deadline and the duration of the Day and Night periods. Why was last Night just 12h? Was it an exception, or are we having short Days&Nights? Which one is the deadline? 6pm or am my time?

But hey, everyone's a little confused after a few mushrooms... Anyone want to have a mushroom? We can be confused together and not bother about these henchmen and villains at all. We can be just happy and grow some weed and decorate ourselves with flowers. Doesn't that sound nice?

I guess I can now state the obvious since no one else has done it yet. Please talk, dear friends (and have some mushrooms), no one should be silent. The evil people can hide in silence (evil people? every single human being is born good and happy and freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........... wait. Are these henchmen and villains just humans? For surely orcs or werewolves or such can be evil. Evil like the bosses of big anti-environmentalist companies who kill happy singing birds and make little children unhappy... now what was I originally talking about?) and the vocal people will just kill one another. Not a nice future vision, unless all we vocal people are henchmen - which should be matemathically impossible. You don't need to post dozens of posts (though that is nice ), but could everybody please post something of substance during this game. It would help others to make some sense who's who.

Am I right that we have double-lynches? In that case we must be careful: double lynches aid the baddies easily to their victory, because what's better from their perspective than us villagers lynching not one, but two of our own? I do not say we should not do a double lynch in any situation, just that we should consider carefully before doing so.

Lastly, if I seem to have some obsession about watching Nogrod and Volo hypocritically, it's not because I've gone crazy (though that might be possible too... the mushrooms?) but because I've had bad experiences in recent games. (I've been fooled completely by those who I know from RL, even though one could assume it'd be easiest to spot the lies of those you know... ) So, Volo and especially Noggie, you can prepare to being subjects to extra vigilance from my part.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:35 PM   #8
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I know exactly what is going on here. You're all out to get me, every single one of you. Just how much is the government paying you for this?

You know, most of my ancestors died really early on whenever something like this came up. Do you really expect me to believe that it was just a coincidence?

Now I really don't know who to suspect first, however, all of you had better start talking. I don't trust anybody who's too silent.
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If people just sticked to the family values nothing like this chaos would ever have ensued. We could just have the heads of the families to gather together and do away with the problem of those kids with too many liberties - who think they can do whatever they like and be "absolutely free", even free to play a henchman. Look at where it has lead us! The decadence of morals and sleepy idleness will be the downfall of us all so let's straighten our spine and stand firm like real men do.

Tavaritsh Legate speaks wisely - even if I disagree with him on principle as the worldview goes - when he calls for lynches and not just sitting around enjoying private trips to the psychedelic reaches of people's imagined inner universes of happines and freedom. We're in a grim reality which demands grim action and sticking to the shared patriotic values.

So let's get organised people and start searching for those spineless bead-cloathed vermins among us!

Let me throw a ball then as you seem to hesitate. My old friend McCarthy used to say that you never get the baddies if you don't use proactive tactics - a pre-emptive strike is what we need.

So why is Lommy here so keen to call for extra vigilance to look after myself and Susie who (with the added exception of Xyzzy) are the only odd people out here? Wouldn't it be perfect tactics from the part of the hippie-commie-villains to call for the execution of those ideologically different from the rest of the folks? The baddies would love to lull all the rest of you tree lovers and revisionists to believe in a cozy future with all people agreeing on the basic valueliberal-socialdemocratic ideas and then ruthlessly kill you during the Nights...

So I would like to return the compliment to the flower girl: CIA is watching you girlie.
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Old 10-29-2007, 03:03 PM   #10
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Everything that our present situation communicates to us is, regarding so-called villains and their henchmen, the ongoing and increased undermining of the capitalist society and its decay into decadence. We need to take measures against this further development and put an end to it in the most immediate future, because otherwise the effect of inaction will result in intolerable consequences for not only our small separated community here, but for human society as a whole. We need to take actions now, and even though I do not appreciate violence for violence's sake, and in a more ideal world it should not be needed at all, we may not forego violence by principle, for this will leave us to these new capitalist outgrowths without shelter and surrender opportunity to them instead of us, which will lead only to our own diminuition. It will largely depend on our own will and sharpness of mind to manoeuvre us out of this most dire environment.

Ordnung muss sein? Although I agree that rules be necessary, this intense desire for order appears exceedingly suspicious to me. The call for order seems to stem from the deep-felt wish of the establishment to sustain their decadent way of life and their willingness to resort even to the most reactionary means to sustain just this! We would therefore only strengthen the source of where our real problems issue from, were we to follow this advice.

I say that, if we want to free ourselves from the villain and his or her henchman, we first have to free ourselves from the oppression that establishment exercises over true freedom and justice. Let us take action now against the forces of the reaction and its representatives presently at hand here!

Let's lynch Nogrod! Let's lynch Nogrod!


*Macalaure keeps on chanting, ignoring the obvious lack of broad approval*
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*head raises*

Oppression? WHERE?! There had better not be fur involved.

I would dearly love to know why my fellow animal lover, Thinlomien, cautions vigilance against Susie (who has yet to speak) and Nogrod (though I must protest such a conservatory nature!). Shed some light, dear one?

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Old 10-29-2007, 04:38 PM   #12
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Now let's see the way this agitator works his foul ways!

Yes, I do admit there is a deep ideological divide between my reasonable persona and this Macalaure-fellow here, but there is something more unnerving as well. It looks like my predictions are coming true.

Look at the unashamed plea for the masses! "Let's pick the ideological adversary and feel good together... so that we baddies can stab you rest dead while you're asleep".

Listen to me you hippies and commies! You may have the numbers of the crowd but I have the Right and Justice in my view. I will not be threatened by these self-made agitators. And I do advice you others to start think with your own good ol' conservative minds inherited from your ancestors.

Just check this student activist and the way he enters the discussion.

His points are based purely on ideological matters - and there's nothing bad in that in itself, what else can we do with this few persons taking part in the discussion?

But all of his post is just a build up for what he wishes to accomplish. He wishes to get rid of someone who could stand as a voice of reason and family values around here. All that stuff is meant to twist your minds to make your choises toDay along the partylines, not based on any actual suspicions. That's the communist propaganda in it's purest form!

Look especially at the last point:
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*Macalaure keeps on chanting, ignoring the obvious lack of broad approval*
The underlined portion tells it all. Why to say something like that if not trying to underline your claimed - not real - innocense? He tries to make a claim and to further the discussion why you should lynch the people differing from you on ideological standpoints (which in this village might suit him and his fellows just fine) but simultaneously distracts himself from it via this subterfuge. After this - if he succeeds and I'm lynched - he can claim that he never had the idea of actually suspecting me or believing that his "modest" contribution would make any difference...

Just look at it yourselves. And if you happen to make the bad choice, look at what I said after that.

Okay. I'm off to sleep now and will be very busy when I wake up. I will be back at the last hour - I try to sneak in before that but I'm not sure I can - and wish to see a lot of contributions before it (and I do hope I have time to read them through as well before I need to vote).

Just as a very early summary.

Macalaure's way of entering the Day made all my alarm-bells ring. I'm also a bit worried about Lommy, but her words may be those of an innocent Lommy as well.

With Brinn I just have bad vibes even if there's nothing to pin it down with. Somehow it's the way how she so casually hides behind the ideology (role). The same might be said of Shasta and Menel, I admit, but somehow.

(Add: Shasta's last post is just a way too conciliatory - if Lommy is innocent.)

Anyhow. For the sake of a fair game I'd be ready to vote also for someone who hides in the shadows on this Day1 - if there be such persons as the Day draws near the end and if there are no better cases to be made. This sure is an early speculation but as I will be able to come back only late toDay I thought I'd need to make that clear as well.
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Umm... Hello strangers. I come as the sun wakes, as there is no clock of any kind in my posession. I'm not even sure what a clock is... Though grandma tells stories of big cities with three clocks in them!

What evil is breaking our peace here? They're not wolves, right? Because my great grandfather was said to have wed a werewolf...

Oh, I've never seen anybody talk so much before as this Nogrod. Why do you use so many and so wierd words? In our village you are disrespected for using more than ten letters in a sentence.

Forget what I said, I'm just showing my existance without putting any reason to it. I'm off to pick some edible mushrooms.
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:51 AM   #14
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And clear rules are needed. For instance, what happens if the villain dies? Do the henchmen go on with their atrocities even if their boss is dead? Is the balance of innocents vs. baddies counted only by the henchmen or will the villain be added to the count as well? If the henchmen all die the villain looks to me to be left powerless and we will win our lives, right? Or do we have to get her/him too?

"bawk! kill henchman villain powerless bawk! nothing for villain to do without henchman bawk! Henchmane angry is boss dies bawk!" Peeko squacked above
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Good, Comrades, I just realized that my schedule today as a working man does not allow me to be here before the end of the day, and this is probably the last time I can contribute today. And unfortunately, I don't have much time on my hands even now, so I have to make it brief.

Comrade Shasta says almost nothing, and that's not good, Comrades. We don't need no idleness when there are dangerous elements lurking around. Might be as well that she is one of them, also with her particularly jumpy turn against Comrade Lommy (OOC: some things sound just terrible if combined ). It seems to me that Comrade Lommy's presumptions against Comrade Nogrod were not aimed to provoke any bandwaggoning, they were just statement of facts. The same I don't think Comrade Nogrod's reaction to that is corresponding to it. However I believe this is just a misunderstanding in both cases and there are not any other intentions behind that.

While I do appreciate Comrade Macalaure's agitative attitude, I would suggest to wait with the case of Comrade Nogrod. We all know his background is very unfortunate, but I suggest we give him a chance, at least when he is trying to help, or seems like that at least. We cannot afford any mistakes, Comrades. It is true that the lurking reaction could reveal itself in Comrade Nogrod later, but I believe there are better suspects now than him. And these are those who avoid discussion, Comrades. Yes, they avoid discussion at all, like Comrade Xyzzy over there.

Others who get me worried? For example Comrade Thinlómien. It's rather unfortunate that most of the young, perspective people here are not in the Communist Youth Union, you see, Comrades. This could not end well. I mean, Comrades, where should they get the right education about the socialistic morale. Mushrooms, Comrades. But that's not what troubles me the most about Comrade Thinlómien. As I said, I don't care about her presumtive - and I believe it's preventive - attitude towards Comrades Nogrod and Volo. But what I don't like is the sneaky attitude of posting "the obvious", as she said herself, along with the typical rambling on double-lynches. That's a poor omen, Comrades. And this:
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Not a nice future vision, unless all we vocal people are henchmen - which should be matemathically impossible.
This sounds like saying both "If any of the others who spoke reveals to be a henchman, then I am not" and "I am vocal", thus giving herself a defence against further attacks against her on this base. But concerning "being vocal", you see, she did not say much.

Comrade Brinniel, Susie, and Menel spoke but said technically nothing. About them, I can't say anything positive, but not even negative. And that's really a little, Comrades. If we are to hope for better future, this is not going to help. I know, like we sing: Not every day begins with darkness and ends with sun, but I say, Comrades, that if we work together, we can make it. But we need everyone to join and participate with something more than just a few words about nothing.

So, I am probably going to vote early and now. Well, why not - a member of the Party should lead by example and vote first. I am thinking about those who are less vocal, or Comrade Shasta, who is the most suspicious for me probably now. With Comrade Thinlómien's case, I think we can wait a little, if she presents herself as the servant of the rotten reactionary powers. She spoke only once this far, and since I am not coming back today, I will not be here to ponder any further contributions from her.

Vote coming in a few minutes, if anyone is around and wants to react quickly, you have the chance.
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So, here it is, Comrades, I have to vote.

++товарищ шаста (I mean: Shasta)

Two posts about nothing, with single attack with not much basis just to appear engaged, combined with immediate back-in-role jump to take mushrooms from someone whom he just attacked does not sound good to me.

This is my decision, Comrades. And vote wisely, don't forget we have only one retraction per game!
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I do not like how Nogrod repeatedly brings up that the more free-spirited of our bunch is most likely to be evil...seems like a very typical example of scapegoating..

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Yet he seems to be doing the very same thing... I wouldn't find it totally unlikely for a war-monger conservative like Nogrod to be a henchman.

Yet, while I do disagree on how he is going about his suspicions, I do actually agree with him on the matter of Mac. Mac is too quick to advocate for Nogrod's lynching without really enough evidence. For one, I don't see how wanting order makes him suspicious. This is actually something Nogrod makes sense at. We may not want some conservative close-minded government like he does, but complete anarchy would only end in violence as well. Mac has only spoken once so far...I'd like to see whether he pursues his campaign for lynching Nogrod.

As for Legate's vote, I can see where he is coming from. Taking from the one you accuse is never smart. But Shasta has said so little; I'm not sure if we should pounce on him just yet.

I apologise if anything I've said does not make complete sense...I am very tired and have had too many mushrooms...
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I would dearly love to know why my fellow animal lover, Thinlomien, cautions vigilance against Susie (who has yet to speak) and Nogrod (though I must protest such a conservatory nature!). Shed some light, dear one?

Oh, and I'll take a mushroom.
*hands Shasta a mushroom* Note I did not caution extra vigilance against them, I only said I would keep an eye on them, for reasons stated in my previous post.

I'm a bit concerned about the state of the village. There's a lot of joking or reaction-provoking accusations around, but only a few serious accusations. I know it's just Day1, but...

Okay, here's what I think about you guys:

Nogrod - he's having too much fun, chattering endlessly and being all over the place. I think this behaviour points either to him being an ordo or him being the Villain. He himself has said that he likes the roles of an ordo and a cobbler the best, because then he can play relaxedly and have fun and this seems exactly like it. So I guess he's either ordo or the villain, but as it's matemathically more probable that he's an ordo and he has not shown any (at least any serious) signs of being evil, I won't vote him today (unless, of course, something happens that changes my opinion) and am not too worried - yet I will keep an eye on him.

Macalaure - I can't see anything particularly suspicious in his behaviour. It's slightly difficult to decipher if he feels like his normal self with all this role stuff, but I'm not too worried.

Legate - is one of the few people who've raised serious arguments this far. His vote on Shasta was a bit hasty&unreasoned, but it was probably the best vote one (regardless of is he innocent or not) could make in his situation, so... Legate doesn't seem very wolvish, but he doesn't strike me as particularly innocentish either.

Brinniel, Volo and Menel - Haven't posted almost anything, so difficult to judge. If I had to say something, I would say that I have vague bad feelings about Menel... but I seem to suspect him always... Hey, people, I'll give you FREE MUSHROOMS if you talk more!

Shastanis Althreduin - falls into the same category with the three previous ones - except that I wonder why he didn't understand what I was saying but jumped on it. Seems like a mere misunderstanding, but you can never be sure.

Xyzzy - Oh, he's playing? Where's he? I could vote him toDay if he does not come here and contribute and I continue to be this unsure about the others. If we have no assurance he's going to be around, we could remove him on Day1 just to be sure. I mean, if he was silent through all the game and was a henchman and won this game because no one thought he could be one or we never wanted to use a lynch to kill him, I'm going to roll my eyes off. On the other hand, it's quite improbable that he's a wolf (don't wolves usually show more interest on the game?) and thus probably a waste of lynch and in a small village like this we shouldn't slaughter innocents too freely... Now I'm probably thinking this too far since there's still plenty of time for Xyzzy to show up toDay, so... But please do talk, Xyzzy, you can have a mushroom.

That was all? And there should be two wolves and a cobbler in that bunch? Uh-oh... I need to think...

EDIT:xed with Brinn
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Yet, while I do disagree on how he is going about his suspicions, I do actually agree with him on the matter of Mac. Mac is too quick to advocate for Nogrod's lynching without really enough evidence.
This is the problem with roleplaying... You think they both were serious. I thought neither of them was, they were just bantering/playing their roles. So...
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This is rather embarassing, but I really don't have much of anything to say. There just isn't enough out there for me to list any suspicions.

Plus, whenever I do post a vague thought of mine just to have something to talk about, everybody reads more into it than is actually there and winds up lynching me.

Legate has made a lot of good points and seems failry trustworthy. Suspecting the quiet ones is probably what I'd usually be doing around now as well.

Brinniel is a little worrisome with her misinterpretation of Macalaure's post, which was obviously a joke. Not that I think Macalaure's joke was completely harmless or anything, but Brinn did seem to be taking it a little too far.
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Nogrod, you accuse me of pleading to the masses? Well, I will freely admit that I do! The masses need to be wakened to see the evil ways in which they are being oppressed and manipulated by the likes of you. You can defame the pure truth of my arguments as ideology, but that does not diminish their validity, and they will prevail in the end - once the public begins to see. My fellow students, and all people of this oppressed world, I indeed plead to you! Let Nogrod not put a veil over your eyes! See the truth he desires to conceal from you! Of Right and Justice he talks, but Profit and Obedience he means. Let us lynch him now before it is too late!

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Indeed! Indeed! You are on a good way to see through his web of lies and half-truths. He knows that he himself is the root of all evils. But, being a representative of the establishment, he wants to stay in power and therefore resorts to the cheap but effective tactic of turning others into scapegoats and false targets to distract from himself. Lynch him before it is too late!!


The Comrade of Amon Lanc makes some very good points at this early stage of our struggles against those in power. But that should not cause to decrease our caution about him! Even though much of what he says coincides with the truth, and even though we share a common class enemy, we should not forget that his real socialism is still only another form of oppression and we do not wish to exchange one oppressive system for another.

Let me say a few words about Lommy. These hippies are a sad story. They share our goals, they share our enemies, but they are gravely mistaken in the choice of their means. Preaching love and harmony is useless and dangerous against those who do not hesitate to deploy violence to achieve their ends. Only determined action can free us!

And keep in mind that mushrooms and such only serve to achieve acceptance of the intolerable social circumstances that we all find ourselves in. The establishment might condemn them, but secretly they are thankful for their existance.


Besides these truly fundamental points, also, as the Comrade of Amon Lanc has already noted, Lommy's extreme friendliness and stating of the more-or-less obvious does make one suspicious. I know it is not appreciated to suspect someone for being helpful, but helpfulness combined with obviousness is a little suspicious.

There are still too many fine minds who yet prefer to blend themselves into the masses. Stand up! Show your individuality! The movement needs you!


ooc: Because it has been mentioned - I think the way Brinniel takes Nogrod and me serious is too obvious to be a henchmannish tactic.
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Besides these truly fundamental points, also, as the Comrade of Amon Lanc has already noted, Lommy's extreme friendliness and stating of the more-or-less obvious does make one suspicious. I know it is not appreciated to suspect someone for being helpful, but helpfulness combined with obviousness is a little suspicious.
Someone has to state the obvious and get the serious game rolling... or provoke discussion in a way or another.

Anyway, I'm afraid I must vote now. Since I find it really difficult to seriously suspect anyone at this stage, I'll vote Xyzzy (see my previous post).

++XYZZY

and also ++for locking him up rather than killing him

I hope everyone's said more by toMorrow morning, because when I have more material about people and one kill to "examine" I can hopefully vote based on real suspicions, not this kind of removing an enigma -votes which tend to be useless because they either don't gather enough support or lead to the lynch of an innocent. But if a village is to lynch an enigma, it should probably be done on the first day.
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The deadline is in about one and a half hours, right?

Let me see....

I think Legate made the best contributions so far. This doesn't mean he's innocent, but it means I'm surely not interested in lynching him today.

Nogrod jokes more than he contributes, but I still have no "real" reason to lynch him today, and those reasons need to take precedence now. I will keep an eye on him, though.

Menel did not say much, but what he said seems honest to me, so he won't get my vote today.

Brinn didn't say much and I'm not sure what to do with her...

Lommy is suspicious to me, but in a village as quiet as this one, I'm not too eager to lynch the few talkative ones. If I find a better target, I'll choose that one.

Shasta is quite an enigma. I don't like lynching enigmas, but who else is there?

Susie and xyzzy didn't say much / nothing at all. Maybe both of them need a clock? I'm not going to lynch Susie, and xyzzy only if there really happens to be no better alternative.
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Brother Mac is loose again I see. And at the same time he's rising the alarm-levels even higher. This time with some semi-seriousness if you allow me.

Follow the steps if you could, please.

Mac has the one track-mind of pursuing the "easiest" first Day lynch ie. the ideological enemy. Why is that suspicious you may ask? I'll tell you.

There are nine people on this island - three of them are baddies. Now of the nine six are easily bagged into a kind of sympathic union together being this or that way communist-liberal-hippie-activist-conspiracy teorist and what not. So the probability for at least two baddies lurking among these six is a high one. In case two (or three) are there it would be logical, safe and neat to try to call for an "ideological vote" on Day1 that would pick someone from the remaining three.

It would keep the real baddies out of the harms way and the baddies taking part in that vote (or calling for it) could always explain afterwards that they were just having a Day1 in-role mode on.

What strikes me as even more suspicious is Mac's quick appreciation and continuation of Brinn's idea about myself trying to do the thing I'm suspecting someone else on. The problem is that as the only true conservative around I can't hope to attract "the masses" here to vote on partylines - voting along the partylines would always end up with myself losing in the first place. But Mac (or Brinn for that matter) could do it as there might be five others who could be lured into this scheme.

And that's always the path of the bad ones: use any suspicion someone else has thrown in and ride with it. Safe and sound = you can always say it was someone else's idea and you're not the only one to blame & makes you look like one who has an actual reason for your vote (and thence not a baddie who has to fabricate the reasons).

That said, I'm not quite ready to vote Mac toDay as he seems to be one of the few who actually takes an interest in the well-being of us here in this island. I have a bad feeling that he is faking his interest but after all it's better to have someone to talk to than to just guess day after day.

So - believe it or not - I might take the advice of that flower-girl. That would mean voting for an enigma toDay. If that has to be done it should be sooner rather than later.

Fortunately we still have an hour. I'll need to think.

EDIT: X'd with Mac. That post relaxed me a bit - not so much because he said he wasn't going to vote for me toDay but because of the general calmness and reasonableness of the post.
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Am I taking things between Mac and Nogrod too seriously? I don't think so. Maybe some of it is banter, but they still seem to be at each other's throats. It's quite possible there's a henchman among them, but right now it's too early to tell.

It's difficult to make any real judgements at this point. With our group being such a small voice, I'd rather not vote for the vocal ones toDay as later on it will be even harder to sort out who's good and evil among the quiet. I do agree voting for an enigma may be the best choice at this point. I'm not sure about xyzzy since he has not even spoken yet...though I won't eliminate the possibility. Perhaps Shasta would be a good choice; he has spoken, but contributed very little.

Less than an hour to vote...so where is everyone?
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I'm not happy to vote for Mac, Lommy or Legate on Day1 as they seem to be involved. With this quiet village we need every talker indeed.

Of the others I have the following impressions.

Menel sounds innocentish, especially his last
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sounds quite innocent to my ears. I don't think Menel-wolf would think of writing that.

Sister Susie I'm pretty confused about. Ranting on someone talking too much in this silent island... He should probably be lynched just because of that counterproductive thinking.

Xyzzy we haven't seen or heard yet. Should we or should we not try lynching him?

Shasta I find a bit suspicious. His query on Lommy's motives was a bit weird as Lommy had actually quite clearly stated her reasons (she has been fooled by those he knows in RL lately in WW). A baddie saying for the sake of appearing?

Brinn I need to think one more time... back soon.
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Okay. After a second look Brinn looks better to me even though I can't shake that odd feeling about her first post away. Somehow it just feels wrong and foul. I'm just unable to say why. Anyway she seems to be involved and reasonable as well so I wouldn't like to see her gone.

That leaves Xyzzy and Shasta as my choices - unless something remarkable happens in half an hour's time.

Xyzzy for being the enigma which should be removed now if we are to do it. For after the next Night we will all start forming theories and think it's too tight a place to try for the blind lynch any more (and then we'll just hold our thumbs and pray for luck that he isn't a baddie).

Shasta not only for only merely appearing - that could be said of Menel and Susie as well - but for appearing in a somewhat suspicious way.


The votes so far:
Legate -> Shasta
Lommy -> Xyzzy (Shasta1, Xyzzy1)
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I've got a strange feeling about Brinn and I will take a close look at here tomorrow with a lynch and a kill to deduce from. My strange feeling about Lommy is more concrete, but she's too active to be lynched on Day One in such a small village. However, nobody is too active to be lynched from Day Two on.

Shasta is little-seen and more suspicious compared with Menel and Susie. And then there's xyzzy.

Unless something unexpected happens, I will vote one of the two (although this is an invitation for the henchmen to not do anything unexpected now... ah, well)

Let's have another look at Shasta's posts.
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In character-meter, the higher the more useless talk compared to useful talk:

Shasta: 9/10
Only one half-seriously sentence regarding the game.

Nogrod: 7/10
Lots of talk, long posts, some political fuss, the obvious.
He actually makes me feel safer about him in his last post (#26) (meter 8->7).
Just talk with less words, ok? If you want cheese, say cheese and be done with it.

Brinniel: 6/10
She adds little new, but feels rather innocent the way she says it.

Legate: 7/10
Lots of talk. All I see him do is say something rather contradictory about Lommy and go for Shasta.

Lommy: 7/10
Well, too many mushrooms but she has been rather helpful in pointing out the seriousness level of the politicians. Seems genuine, except for her vote... I always feel that she always votes Xyzzy when he's around, don't dare turn it into a joke you can use as an excuse!

Mac: 7/10
A flood of banter in first two posts and then some better points.

Menel: 9/10
Nothing much, but I'm ready to grant him his wish and not vote for him.

Volo: 10/10
:S I've made the least sense of all in my previous post. Well, I hope to mend that now.

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Old 10-30-2007, 09:46 AM   #30
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This is a tough choice. I don't feel ready to vote xyzzy just because he hasn't said anything yet. Perhaps he will speak up tomorrow? I'd like to give him one more chance before eliminating him.

Shasta has said very little to contribute and he seems to hide within his roleplaying. It's not much to go on, but I do sense there's something fishy about him...

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*I will second with Lommy on voting to lock up, not lynch. Guilty or innocent, no one deserves to die!

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Old 10-30-2007, 09:50 AM   #31
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The thing I find suspicious with Shasta is that it looks like he tries to appear as someone who makes a valid point / tries to be helpful by pointing out something while the thing he asks has already been answered ie. Lommy did explain her reason already in the post where Shasta refers to.

So it looks quite artifical, something a baddie could be inclined to do to appear involved.

It's not much though but enough to make me waver between him and Xyzzy.

Any ideas?
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:50 AM   #32
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I could vote both, Shasta and xyzzy. I know it's bad reasoning, but because I suspect Lommy a little, I would rather not follow her vote. I have a bad feeling there. So...

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Old 10-30-2007, 09:52 AM   #33
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I have a high mighty feeling that Shasta is innocent and not worth a lynch. Something feels very wrong there in the way he's voted out. I'd rather back up Lommy with lynching Xyzzy (I know what I said a post ago and I still think so, but on the other hand Lommy's reaction is pretty understandable.)
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:54 AM   #34
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Xd with Nogrod and Mac.

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Old 10-30-2007, 09:55 AM   #35
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This is a tough choice. I don't feel ready to vote xyzzy just because he hasn't said anything yet. Perhaps he will speak up tomorrow? I'd like to give him one more chance before eliminating him.
I do find this reasoning either a bit too hopeful or then foul... Trust me Xyzzy rarely comes in and rarely contributes more than one-liners (prove me wrong Xyzzy!) and we will probably not make a blind lynch toMorrow anymore so if he stays alive toDay he will stay alive to the end and then we just need to hope that he's no baddie. That's the choice here.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:57 AM   #36
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If we had better numbers I'd be ready for a double lynch indeed but in this situation I'd rather not have it.

Anyone else around to try for Xyzzy or do we just trust our luck?
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:59 AM   #37
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Here we go then...

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Voting is over. expect end day soon.
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"bawk! time almost gone, sun go down bawk!" Peeko flies above the gathering of the survivors

"Alright then its agreed comrades! Shasta shall pay first for his misdeeds!" Legate yells out as the crowd circles Shasta.

"no wait! i can explain this! all i need is a couple signs and a picket line and-"
"get him!" a yell from the crowd emerged as they push in towards Shasta. Shasta quickly breaks through the crowd and runs down the beach and tries to climb on one of the rocks, with the crowd surrounding him again.

"wait... how can we know hes a henchman?" Nogrod stated as the crowd quieted down and thought about that

"bawk! tattoo! tattoo! beware the tattoo on the back bawk!" peeko squacked out

"works for me... get him!" Brinniel yelled but shasta was shocked and fell back off the rock, cracking his neck. a hush falls over everyone.

Susie walks up and checks his back. no tattoo. Shasta was a Civilian.

Alive:
1 - Meneltarmacil - Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist
3 - Thinlómien - young and idealistic hippie maiden with flowers in her hair.
4 - Nogrod - tight upper lip conservative
5 - Macalaure - student activist
6 - Brinniel - the hypocritical peace activist who goes to all extremes
7 - Xyzzy - Fully commercialized drone.
8 - Volo - Susie, the daughter of a random goat herder in some far-away valley, who doesn't know a thing about popular culture, is a good idea.
9 - Legate - an open-minded progressive Comrade

Dead:
El Gil - (mod)
Shastanis Althreduin - (Civ)

NIGHT TWO BEGINS! HENCHMAN CAN NOW CHOOSE KILL! SUPER SCIENCE DOCTOR CHOOSE WHO TO DREAM! BODYGUARD CHOOSE TO EITHER PROTECT OR HUNT! ENJOY!
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:36 AM   #40
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"Bawk! rise and shine rise and shine bawk!" Peeko squacked as the weary people got up.

"alright now its another day of guessing..." Brinniel said drowsingly.

the survivors got up and had a meager breakfest of whatever they could find.

"hey... wheres Meneltarmacil?" Legate asked looking around

"bawk! another dead bawk!" Peeko squacked from the distance

everyone ran towards where the bird was chirping from, and it was close to the edge of the forest. when everyone got there they gasped. there Meneltarmacil was hanging upside down with her arms laying on the ground.

"oh my... looks like we still have some henchman to deal with..." Susie said with her head down as everyone slowly turned around and walked back to the beach...

Alive:

3 - Thinlómien - young and idealistic hippie maiden with flowers in her hair.
4 - Nogrod - tight upper lip conservative
5 - Macalaure - student activist
6 - Brinniel - the hypocritical peace activist who goes to all extremes
7 - Xyzzy - Fully commercialized drone.
8 - Volo - Susie, the daughter of a random goat herder in some far-away valley, who doesn't know a thing about popular culture, is a good idea.
9 - Legate - an open-minded progressive Comrade

Dead:
El Gil - (mod)
Shastanis Althreduin - (Civ)
Meneltarmacil - (civ)

DAY 2 BEGINS! HENCHMAN STOP TALKING! SPECIALS STOP TALKING! ENJOY!
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