Werewolf XLII, Mist in the Barrow Downs

[satansaloser2005]

And in the meantime, I'm going to leave you with what will probably be my last vote. I don't want to add someone else to the mix fifteen minutes before deadline, and I DO find her a bit on the suspicious side, so I'll have to vote for:

++Rikae.


My apologies love. I know you're being picked on too. But like I said, I do find your actions yesterday a bit odd, and I won't have a snipe of a bandwagon like we had yesterday. So it's got to be you. Good luck, because you'll probably survive anyway. And thank you for defending me, by the way, in the little capacity that you did. I appreciate that you saw that I've been acting the way I was because (yet again, people) I've had an extremely high fever and haven't been able to think straight, and now that I sort of can I tried to explain myself to the village in a more coherent manner, but they just won't have it. Feel free to vote me to save yourself. Apparently you're a much better player than I am anyway. G'luck! :)

[Nogrod]

But, having gone over Legate's posts again, I've come to the conclusion that the main thing that I find creepy about him is not so much what he says, as what he doesn't say. He follows other people's track (he seems to have predetermined that Mac would be an easy lynch toDay) or says uncontroversial things. I'm used to a more verbose, and more helpful, Legate.I do agree with this point.

Cool down Sally. Please. It's just a game after all. :)

[Nerwen]

Gwath's choice of Aganzir yesterDay in the end of the Day is neatly safe as Rikae suggested.

Yes, he bears looking at. I wish I'd been able to pay more attention toDay. I'd like to hear Legate explain his reasoning at #166 (on Lommy). I'd also like Nogrod to explain that apparent self-contradiction I noticed.

But I can't dither anymore. I'm too afraid of mising the deadline and getting modfired.

Here goes:

++Macalaure.

Edit X'd with everyone since Sally at #245.

[satansaloser2005]

Cool down Sally. Please. It's just a game after all.

Mehe don't I know it. I'm just angry that....oh, never mind. I'm not going to rant any longer. Whatever the outcome, I hope you all enjoy the rest of the game. Hopefully I'll be able to see you all the next Day, and hopefully with one less werewolf than we currently have. I'm out. Need to get to work in a couple minutes anyway.

P.S. Sorry, folks. I told Shasta I'd wake him, but he didn't respond to my IMs, so I'm guessing he's still asleep. Which is good, because if he has what I had, he feels like crap right now, so he needs it.


EDIT: Extra P.S. Won't be around for the first several hours of the next Day. My first class starts at nine (DL), and I don't know if I'll be able to get on for sure until six in the evening. Just a heads up so no one wonders where I've scampered off to.

[Macalaure]

My preference lies with Legate or Nerwen. Sally appears very innocent near the deadline, and I wouldn't like to see Rikae lynched either, and me the least.

[Nogrod]

After we see who will in the end turn out and actually vote we'll be much more wiser as to who were hiding at the last moments.

But the fact is I'm not very happy with any of the candidates right now. Of those three I'd pick Mac though.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Sally, oh my. Let's not get worried. This is not anything personal or anything. Everything here is just a game, we know you are ill.

Okay, I think the voting is here. I could vote either Mac or Sally, I am going for the first one, also because in this rush I cannot seem to be able to analyse anything and this Sally's shout just startled me.

++Mac

EDIT: x-ed with everyone since my post

[A Little Green]

So so so sorry - I didn't guess there would be so many posts, I was hoping to have time to post long and well, but it took me around 40 minutes to read the thread so now I have, what, 4 minutes for posting... :rolleyes:

To be honest I'm quite baffled by toDay's posts. Rikae looks better, Sally looks worse, and I don't have time for more analysis, I'll do that toMorrow...

So without further explanations,

++ Mac

Because his posts strike me as furry and I believe he might well be a wolf, and his death will reveal much in any case.

:eek:

edit: x'd with Legate

[Nogrod]

This is stupid!

Okay, Rikae and Mac - if they are the last ones around will take care either of them gets lynched so I might just go for

++ Gwath

to open one route more...

EDIT: x'd with LG

[Nerwen]

So you assume there must be wolves there? And you accuse me of sophistry.

No, Rikae. By no means. I'd said we can't assume there aren't.


But, having gone over Legate's posts again, I've come to the conclusion that the main thing that I find creepy about him is not so much what he says, as what he doesn't say. He follows other people's track (he seems to have predetermined that Mac would be an easy lynch toDay) or says uncontroversial things. I'm used to a more verbose, and more helpful, Legate.

I agree. I'm not saying I think he's necessarily innocent– but I'd want a hell of a lot more to go on before I start calling someone suspicious.

[Rikae]

I can't vote for Mac or Sally in good conscience -

++Nerwen

The one of my main suspects that might get some support.

[Rikae]

No, Rikae. By no means. I'd said we can't assume there aren't.


Well, then you're misrepresenting me.

(By the way, my vote above crossed with Nerwen)

[satansaloser2005]

*giggles and mutters to herself* Not again.... :p

Shoot. I'm late. I'm late. But not for an important date.
Just can't stay away. Where are the rest of the votes, anyway?

[McCaber]

I don't have time, so I'll make this quick

++Nerwen

EDIT: too late! Nooooo!

[Macalaure]

++Nerwen

Ridiculousness.. :rolleyes:


edit: crossed and too late :(
do the votes of McCaber and me count?

[satansaloser2005]

Stop it. Stop. STOP! You're just making me laugh too hard.... ah, the discussion that will ensue tomorrow over the voting.

Okay, I need to go. My boss'll be royally angered with me.

[Farael]

SILENCE!

As I said before, any votes after the deadline, going by the timestamps on the posts, will not count. Sorry Mac but that means you are the one
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Day 2 came and went, and the adventurers seemed to be divided on two main camps.
“It’s either Rikae or Mac” said some

“No, that makes no sense!” Said... Rikae and Mac.

“Well, I think Mac should be a goner anyway” said Nerwen

“Huh? Sure, whatever” agreed Greenie

“Yeah, that’s something I can agree with” added Legate

“ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz” Was heard

“Actually, Nerwen looks fishier to me, she gets my vote” Said Rikae

“That’s a start... who’s left to vote? Oh, McCabe... darnit man, wake up!” Mac shook the
man, but he was fast asleep. “Water!” he said “We need water to... no, there’s no water here... maybe if I”

“uh.... Ner..when...” said McCaber without quite waking up.

“Nerwen! he voted for her, and I agree, which means that I’m...oh boy” Then Macalaure noticed the grins on the other adventurers’ faces. “I can explain... Rikae makes sense and I...” but no-one heard what he wanted to say. Nogrod had been passing out torches and pitchforks (where he got them from no-one cared to ask about) and before the lynchee of the day could react, they fell upon him like so many moths on one of those electric bug zappers.

“Hey, he’s not turning into a Werewolf!” said Gwath

“Don’t worry lad, keep on lynchin’ he’s still alive” said a voice

“yeah, shouldn’t have he turned into his werewolf form by now?” asked Sally

“No, no... you keep on going and see”

Eventually it was plain that Mac was way past the point where he could’ve turned into a Werewolf. “Who was the one telling us to keep hitting poor Mac? He was such a good soul”

“Legate” answered Rikae “you were one of the voters for him.. .my lover... now, I will wither too”

“Really?” Asked Nerwen
“No, but it was worth to see your faces”

And then blackness fell upon them and they knew no more.

Legate
Nogrod
McCaber
Sally
Gwathagor
A Little Green
Nerwen
Meneltarmacil
Rikae
Shasta


The dead
Roa: Eaten by werewolves, or otherwise gone missing
Farael: Killed by a convenient plot-twist
Aganzir: Squished into non-existance inside a d2
Loomy: May not be dead, but she's sure too far from the game to be of much help
Macalaure: Lynched old-fashion way

The tally
Three Werewolves
One Seer

The announcement: There are no secret roles. This is not a bluff. Also, the narrations mean nothing, there are no hints in there.

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, everyone, I'm not sure what happened to Farael. He may have left early for his trip, but he never sent me a message so I didn't realize there wasn't anything up till now.

I'm going to to start the day now, and extend it five hours (meaning it will be two hours short and Night will also be five hours short).

EDIT: My stupid clock is three hours fast. So we'll be ending three hours late toDay. That's 10 AM Pacific and 6 PM GMT. The next day will start at the original time.

Sorry for the miscommunication everyone. I'll post a narration in a little bit.
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Menel twisted and turned in the throws of a Dream. He awoke suddenly and pulled out his journal to chronicle it carefully. He always chronicled his dreams, just in case. A sudden noise to his left caused him to start, but it was only another player turning over in their sleep. Menel sighed, closed his book and stood to seek out a more private area. He came upon a tunnel. "Strange, that wasn't there before," mused Menel, and he decided to look into it. He heard rustling, the sound of sharpening claws, and a low chuckling. They all seemed to be coming from with in the tunnel, but before he could back up and turn around, he felt a furry hand on his shoulder. "You've dreamed your last dream, Seer," said an all too familiar voice, and he was shoved forward into the tunnel.

In another place far from there, the GM sat staring at a roughly drawn map of the cave. He'd wanted to add a tunnel on the side for fun, but couldn't decide how to end it. Frustrated, he erased the whole thing and redrew the wall of the cave.

The wolves stared at the place where Menel and the hole had been just seconds ago. Then looked at each other, shrugged, and went back to bed. Menel was not seen again.




Legate
Nogrod
McCaber
Sally
Gwathagor
A Little Green
Nerwen
Rikae
Shasta


Dead:
Roa: Eaten by werewolves, or otherwise gone missing
Farael: Killed by a convenient plot-twist
Aganzir: Squished into non-existance inside a d2
Loomy: May not be dead, but she's sure too far from the game to be of much help
Macalaure: Lynched old-fashion way
Meneltarmacil: Lost to the whims of the GM

The Tally
3 wolves

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That must mean Menel was the Seer....

I suppose now one must wonder just why he was so adamantly against Rikae.

Of course, he was against Mac as well, but not as much, I think...

[Gwathagor]

I suppose it's possible that Menel had dreamed about Rikae? Should we assume that he was right about all those he accused?

[Rikae]

Menel the seer? The only sense I can make of that is that he must have put his hopes in throwing the wolves off his track by doing nothing but accusing an ordo, so he could have as many dreams as possible before revealing. Considering that there was no Ranger, that makes sense - but apparently the wolves thought killing him was a good opportunity to frame me. :(

Oh, my! How could we have possibly lynched an innocent Macalaure? :eek:

Well, I think that there must have been a wolf (or two) among the Macalaure-voters - after all, the wolves knew he was innocent, and so they voted for him! Or maybe they just wanted to get Mac out of the way -- and, after all, they had voiced suspicions of him earlier, so they could vote for him without flip-flopping at the last minute! Yes, this is a watertight argument -- we should focus solely on the Macalaure-voters(Legate, Greenie and Nerwen) today. Sure, there are 9 people here, but as Nerwen says "we can only lynch one at a time"! :rolleyes:


Actually, though, that thing Nerwen said struck me, on second glance, as what possibly be a slip. We can only lynch one at a time, eh, Nerwen?
Actually, I do find the Macalaure voters wolfish, not because they lynched an ordo, but because they created suspicion out of thin air. I analyzed it yesterday, just go back and look -- the reasons behind lynching Macalaure were utter... mist.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That must mean Menel was the Seer....

I suppose now one must wonder just why he was so adamantly against Rikae.
Indeed, it's quite obvious he was the Seer. And yes, that's a question one has to ask.

I suppose it's possible that Menel had dreamed about Rikae? Should we assume that he was right about all those he accused?

Well, surely not about all those he accused as YesterDay, he went after Mac and Rikae quite continuously, but now we know Mac was innocent. However, I find it quite improbable that his going after Rikae would be totally baseless. At least personally I believe that if he had dreamt of any Wolf, he would have voted him, and since he did not vote for anyone but Rikae, I am quite inclined to believe that he dreamt of her and found her a Wolf.

I will go quickly through his posts, I now have the chance to compare them in the new light with the analysis I was preparing yesterDay; it may come handy as some quick reference. Although Menel can't be of any active help anymore, I think we should try to find if we don't find any hints from him about whom he could have dreamed. He had two Nights to dream (before Day 1 and before Day 2) before he was killed. Also, there would be a good question as to why he was killed - did the Wolves reveal him, or was it just pure luck and they were following some other scheme? I think such things may be of a lot help.

Will be back soon.

edit: x-ed with Rikae

[McCaber]

Our seer did not survive the night? Truly this is the Dawnless Day.

Mayhap the late Menel struck too close with some of his accusations. He hounded Rikae pretty bad, but he also attacked Mac and Sally.

Rikae is indeed the obvious choice, but perhaps Sally needs looking at, as well.

EDIT: crossed with Rikae and Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Menel the seer? The only sense I can make of that is that he must have put his hopes in throwing the wolves off his track by doing nothing but accusing an ordo, so he could have as many dreams as possible before revealing. Considering that there was no Ranger, that makes sense - but apparently the wolves thought killing him was a good opportunity to frame me. :(
Rikae, surely you think he would dare to accuse an ordo? That would be quite careless from him. I am not sure whether he would go for "collateral damage". There was still chance for the Wolves to pick him just by random (and who knows if it did not happen). Besides, he suspected you for two consequent Days and I think it likely therefore that he would have dreamt of you, maybe even on the first Day, and if he did, he must have known your role. It is true he suspected Mac for two consequent Days as well, but he voted you on Day 2, and although he did not vote on Day 1, he said that if he did, he would have voted you as well.

[Rikae]

Rikae, surely you think he would dare to accuse an ordo?
Either that, or he accused someone he hadn't dreamt of! But I expect that he considered my death less harmful to the village than his (which it would be.)
There was still chance for the Wolves to pick him just by random (and who knows if it did not happen).
Well, that's what I'm thinking - they would have been less likely to if he appeared not only useful to them, but decidedly un-seerish. I think Menel is a wiser player than he's usually given credit for, and he would know better than to make himself obviously seerish to the wolves when there was no ranger about.
Another thing is - he did suspect Mac for two consecutive days, and Mac was the person it probably made most sense for him to dream of on Night 2, being at the center of Day 1's controversy.

[Nogrod]

Oh my!

And even if this sounds like a hindsight I must say I guessed that.

So he dreamt of me on Night1 and of Rikae on Night2. Please follow why I think that is.

On Day1 he thought I should not be lynched - even if I wasn't actually in any danger of being lynched at that time. And later the Day he referred to me alongside him and seemed to rely on my judgements (as he knew I am innocent) taking them as parts of his arguments. About others he said Rikae and Mac were his suspects but with both of those he made still some reservations. And there was a slight suspicious comment about Shasta to be sure but he never came back to it.

Starting Day2 we have this (after the apology for not voting): In any case, know that I would have voted for Rikae.

I'm even more suspicious of her now than before, come to think of it.And after that Menel seemed quite assured of his crusade against Rikae. So he had dreamt of her that Night.

This last one kind of nails it for Rikae: (OOC: I'm sorry if I'm really being too hard on you, Rikae, regardless of the fur and fangs.)That's too tough language to an ordo, even to a Menel-ordo. :)

I know I'm dead the next Night after we lynch Rikae as a wolf toDay. And sadly my day (RL) is the worst possible for playing werewolf. I have an early morning call and even if the Day is stretched because of the late start I may have trouble getting too much time online toDay.

EDIT: X'd from Rikae's first post onwards...

[Rikae]

You say the seer dreamt of you and found you innocent, Nogrod? That's convenient for you. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, looking through Menel's posts. Actually, there were not many people he spoke of. From people he accused, there were only Mac (for both Days), Rikae (also), then Sally (only on Day 2) and also Shasta on the first Day. These are the only four people he raises concern against. So, if he left any Seerish hints about any Wolves he revealed, they are among these four. Mac is of course innocent, that leaves Rikae, Sally and Shasta.

About Rikae he speaks in most of his posts on both Days, and votes her twice. As I already said, I think he dreamt of her, and if he did, then she's a Wolf.

About Shasta, he posts things like:
Shasta, I'm kind of worried about you here. As far as I can tell, all your posts lately have been in-character banter, with little, if any, substance.
Shasta is still a bit of a concern, due to the reasons I mentioned earlier, plus his suspicions of people because of their in-character actions don't strike me well either.
And then nothing on Day 2. Why this ceased is of question: but if he dreamt about Rikae on Night 1, he could have dreamt of Shasta (based on this concern he speaks of) on Night 2 and found him innocent.

About Sally, on Day 2 only:
The situation I'm seeing here is this:
We've got a Rikae-Macalaure-Sally team of wolves going on here,.
(...) Sally has been suggested before as a possible third wolf, and I'm inclined to agree based on the voting patterns of Rikae and Mac, something that has been pointed out.
I'm convinced that Rikae is a wolf, and Macalaure is a close second. Sally is a distinct possibility, but I suspect the other two more.

As to why you [Mac&Rikae] didn't vote for Sally, it's simple: She's the third Wolf.

I don't think there is much to be based on this. If anything, he might have dreamed about Sally on Night 3, but as he was killed the same Night, we cannot make any conclusions based on that.

edit: x-ed since my last post

[Nogrod]

Yes, this is a watertight argument -- we should focus solely on the Macalaure-voters(Legate, Greenie and Nerwen) today.:D

I do find the Macalaure voters wolfish, not because they lynched an ordo, but because they created suspicion out of thin air. I analyzed it yesterday, just go back and look -- the reasons behind lynching Macalaure were utter... mist.I mean just go and look. I know I was wrong myself as I thought Mac the most suspicious yesterDay. Lommy talking about "dreams" and accusing Mac pretty determinedly... If Mac was a wolf the wolves had no chance but to kill her - no matter how bad it would look on Mac. The seer is the number one target whatever the cost. And Mac's posts early on Day2 looked sooo wolvish! Just look at them from this angle!



And look at Rikae's acts at the last minutes! See the treachery of women! See the treachery of ther werewolves!

Rikae votes at the exact deadline... for Nerwen (zero votes at that time) saying she couldn't vote for Mac or Sally "in good conscience". That was farewell my darling Mac! He was ready to be disposed of then...

At that point Mac could not have saved himself anymore. If Rikae would have voted for Sally he could have done that but for some reason Rikae neither voted for Sally or voted but at the last possible minute - so Mac had no chance to save himself by looking who he would have to vote. I'm pretty sure his vote coming one minute late was caused by Rikae's deliberate delay on her vote (there was 13 minutes between her vote and her earlier post) - remember it looked like there were only me, Rikae and Mac around: LG and McCaber just appeared out from thin air.

If we had retractables I would vote immediately but as I know never say never is more reasonable way of looking at things I'll still hold my vote waiting for a miracle. But it will require a miracle if I'm not suggesting we should lynch Rikae toDay. :)

EDIT: X'd since Rikae

[Rikae]

Going over Menel's posts again, I have to think that Nogrod is probably right, and that he did dream of him on night one. I remember seeing his "it's a bad idea to lynch Nogrod" comment and thinking it was starnge, but I assumed it was a misunderstanding of the bantering accusations made toward Nogrod. Still, if he knew Nogrod was innocent, this might have made him more quick to worry about those "accusations."

As for night two, he did drop his suspicions toward Shasta, which suggests that he might have dreamt of him and found him innocent. Of course, I'm not sure why Shasta would be a logical dream choice - it seems to me that, considering how the votes went, he would have dreamt of Macalaure, Sally, Gwath or me.
Could he have dreamt of Macalaure and found him innocent? It seems strange that he would have encouraged suspicion toward both of us in that case, even though he didn't give his final vote to Macalaure, he didn't prevent his lynching, either. Then again, he voted for me knowing that I wasn't likely to be lynched either (and said he would have voted for me, but didn't, the day before.) Perhaps it suggests there was some sort of collateral-damage thinking on Menel's part -- he may have really thought me wolvish, though.
Could he have dreamt of Nerwen and found her innocent? He says at one point that Mac and I both suspecting her (and Agan) is suspicious.

EDIT: Bolding

[Rikae]

Rikae votes at the exact deadline... for Nerwen (zero votes at that time) saying she couldn't vote for Mac or Sally "in good conscience". That was farewell my darling Mac! He was ready to be disposed of then...


I voted at the last minute because I was afraid someone would vote for me and I would need to save myself.
Sure, that may be selfish, but that's how it is.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Either that, or he accused someone he hadn't dreamt of! But I expect that he considered my death less harmful to the village than his (which it would be.)
Not sure I buy this one. With so low numbers in the village, if I really exaggerate, it almost does not matter whether one is a Seer or an Ordo, and "collateral damage" of one Ordo is still quite a setback for the village.

Well, that's what I'm thinking - they would have been less likely to if he appeared not only useful to them, but decidedly un-seerish. I think Menel is a wiser player than he's usually given credit for, and he would know better than to make himself obviously seerish to the wolves when there was no ranger about.
Well yes, I am not underestimating him either, but I still find it quite risky. I mean - imagine him dreaming of all three wolves, but the very Night he reveals the third one he, by some bad luck, dies. It's very bold, but also very risky. No disrespect to Menel in the aspect of bravery, but it will be a very bold move.

Another thing is - he did suspect Mac for two consecutive days, and Mac was the person it probably made most sense for him to dream of on Night 2, being at the center of Day 1's controversy.
Well yes, that's true, and it remains of question why he did not dream of him - unless he indeed did not dream of him and continue to suspect him only to mislead the wolves, though I find it overcombinated. It may be he simply did not have time to dream of all he suspected.

So he dreamt of me on Night1 and of Rikae on Night2.
Well, not quite sure, Nog. As you can see from my post, it is possible that he dreamt of Rikae on Night 1 and Shasta on Night 2, and if Shasta is innocent and Menel revealed that, it would explain why he suddenly ceased to suspect him. Your explanation of things also sounds possible, but surely not 100% certain. And I am not aware whether he referred to you that often; in fact, he once referred to LG and mistook her with you. Maybe, but not necessarily sure.

edit: x-posted since my last post. Keep x-posting. Johnny x-poster.

[Rikae]

By the way, Nogrod should be lynched just for being so dreadfully chauvinistic! :D

EDIT: X'd with Legate

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'll go look on this later, as I'm just now running off to rehearsal, but I'm wondering if Menel might have dreamt Sally night 2?

[Nogrod]

I love you Rikae! :D

Sorry (Mac also :)), but I just love the way you make the brave effort! *kudos*

Well, not quite sure, Nog. As you can see from my post, it is possible that he dreamt of Rikae on Night 1 and Shasta on Night 2, and if Shasta is innocent and Menel revealed that, it would explain why he suddenly ceased to suspect him. Your explanation of things also sounds possible, but surely not 100% certain. And I am not aware whether he referred to you that oftenYou're right. But then again if he dreamt of Rikae on Night1 already why didn't he make more of a case of it? I mean from the very beginning of Day2 he was all on Rikae, but on Day1 there were all kinds of reservations there.

Also I think that if you look at his suspicions on Shasta they were quite ad hoc, rising from certain posts (so no Night1 dream?). And had he been dreaming of Shasta on Night2 and found him innocent he surely would have mentioned him on Day2 at some point as he had suspected him slightly on Day1, just to correct his mistake. Like Rikae said, he's good enough player to realise that's what he needs to do.

So it's not 100%... and in the end it doesn't matter as if the wolves think it plausible enough for many enough people here they will kill me the next Night anyway. There's no ranger to protect an almost-known innocent.

Just noticed this: By the way, Nogrod should be lynched just for being so dreadfully chauvinistic! Sorry, but I'm in an RPG here named "Treachery of Men" and that allusion kind of came to me and I couldn't resist - as you in the end quite coolly orchestrated the lynching of your loved one... :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

I'll go look on this later, as I'm just now running off to rehearsal, but I'm wondering if Menel might have dreamt Sally night 2?

Hmm... I thought it was strange how he came up with the idea of Sally, Mac and I being wolves together yesterday, explaining Mac's and my votes as attempts to protect Sally when there would have been several other options for that. If he dreamt of her and found her a wolf, that might explain it.

I also think he might have dreamt of Gwath that night. He's fixed on the idea that wolves were responsible for Agan's lynching, but he absolves Gwath very easily (when, as I pointed out yesterday, Gwath had a vote placement that was both safe, and influential - as well as basically unexplained.) Menel dismisses the idea of Gwath being a wolf with:
Macalaure's lynching is coming closer, and then Gwathagor votes for the suspicious-but-most-likely-innocent Agan. That's fine; Gwath is rather new here and it's an honest mistake.
and treats him as if he were a known innocent thereafter, so perhaps he dreamt of him and, finding him innocent, assumed Mac and/or I must be a wolf.

[Rikae]

I love you Rikae! :D
Sorry (Mac also :)), but I just love the way you make the brave effort! *kudos*
I've got to make an effort to help the village. I was right about Mac, and might be of some use yet.

Just noticed this: Sorry, but I'm in an RPG here named "Treachery of Men" and that allusion kind of came to me and I couldn't resist - as you in the end quite coolly orchestrated the lynching of your loved one... :rolleyes:
Call my behavior yesterday what you like, but I don't think you can call it "cool" -- and who argued all night against lynching Mac? I still can't see why you found him so suspicious (but then, you seem to pretty much always think that of him.)

By the way, I know we have a seer to look at, but does anyone care to analyze people's interactions with Mac also, as he's now a known innocent? It might be useful.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Rikae votes at the exact deadline... for Nerwen (zero votes at that time) saying she couldn't vote for Mac or Sally "in good conscience". That was farewell my darling Mac! He was ready to be disposed of then...
Yup, that's true. "Collateral damage", indeed! :D

I'll go look on this later, as I'm just now running off to rehearsal, but I'm wondering if Menel might have dreamt Sally night 2?
Well, personally I don't think it probable, though it's just my own opinion. You can find the quotes I posted up there, he spoke about Sally only in two posts of his. It's true he did not mention her before Day 2, but on the other hand, he does not seem much certain to me. If anything, I could imagine him dreaming of her on Night 3 - which would be a logical conclusion, and theoretically, if Sally is a Wolf, this might have been a reason, or played a role in, him being killed that Night.

You're right. But then again if he dreamt of Rikae on Night1 already why didn't he make more of a case of it? I mean from the very beginning of Day2 he was all on Rikae, but on Day1 there were all kinds of reservations there.
Well, he said he would have voted for her on Day 1. And I don't think there were many reservations. He was maybe more active on Day 2, but that he was overall, I think (also given by Rikae herself, as he kept responding to her).

Also I think that if you look at his suspicions on Shasta they were quite ad hoc, rising from certain posts (so no Night1 dream?). And had he been dreaming of Shasta on Night2 and found him innocent he surely would have mentioned him on Day2 at some point as he had suspected him slightly on Day1, just to correct his mistake. Like Rikae said, he's good enough player to realise that's what he needs to do.
Yes, maybe you are right that he would have changed his opinion had he found him innocent. On the other hand, what if he did not just for the reason that he would not profile himself as Seer, with sudden change of opinions? Silence might have been sufficient.

Well, I am probably going to leave now and go to sleep - I felt surprisingly fresh and I did not even realise what the time is; and suddenly it fell on me.

edit: x-ed with Rikae twice

[Nogrod]

It's really getting late but I think I need to make this point before I go.

Now in the end of the Day2 the situation was a follows.

-11 minutes
Rikae2, Sally1

-4 minutes
Rikae2, Mac2, Sally1

Of those not voted yet at that time we knew that Rikae, Mac and myself were around - no one else had given any sign of being there.

So where were you Rikae? If you were an ordo actually convinced that Mac was an ordo too you would have made an effort - to suggest Mac a deal like you had the earlier Day or to ask my views.

You could have saved Mac easily with suggesting a vote on Sally. I don't blame you for not voting her as her quite emotional posts at the end of the Day had gotten all of us quite startled. But if you "knew" Mac was innocent why didn't you post in to ask for ideas? The three of us could have lynched anyone at that point.

Or was Sally in the end your co-wolf and thence you did not vote for her?

That would indeed explain a bit more why Menel was killed. In the end of Day2 he said quite comfortably that Mac, Rikae and Sally were the three wolves. He was wrong with Mac but hitting the nail in the head two times after two dreams was enough for the wolves?

I still believe that was not the case and that Menel came up with Sally during the gameplay on Day2. Those of you who have played with him before know his style of being quite uncomptromising to put it mildly. He didn't come up with things to say about Sally until about the half-day, saying: Sally has been suggested before as a possible third wolf, and I'm inclined to agree based on the voting patterns of Rikae and Mac, something that has been pointed out.Comparing this to how he went after Rikae there's a marked difference...

But the wolves couldn't ignore that - so Menel was a dead man.

And even if Sally is an ordo (which she can be) - Menel was a dead man still because of his attack on Rikae that was "seery" enough.


In any case at certain point the wolves can be quite cool at those in the end discussions - even able to just look on what happens with a grin only ready to intervene if something drastic is going to happen. Rikae's actions in the end of Day2 look very wolvish indeed even without Menel's stance on her.

By the way, I know we have a seer to look at, but does anyone care to analyze people's interactions with Mac also, as he's now a known innocent? It might be useful.And you dare to say that I'm the one suggesting thinking things in a way convenient to myself? :D

But honestly, what could we learn from there? To other innocents he was a non-known (so possibly a wolf or an ordo) and to wolves a possible (good) lynchée. What can you say of it? I know that if we lynch a wolf there's lots to read there about the interaction as we can see how the wolve's fellows possibly treated her/him, but?

By no means do look. All things count. One never knows what one can find but certainly this looks more like a distraction than anything else. Sorry Rikae.

Edit: X'd with Legate

[Rikae]

Here Legate goes again, narrowing the field. I was suspicious yesterday, with his singular focus on Mac and I, that he intended to lynch one yesterday and the other toDay, and the choice of kill last Night certainly fits that profile. Just look at how he butters Nogrod up - and, just like he behaved (when it wasn't the case) as if Macalaure was the only logical lynch yesterDay, he words everything as if there were no question, toDay, who Menel dreamt of and when.
It's funny how Nerwen said yesterDay that she needed "a lot more" to go on before she'd consider lynching Legate - the fact is, he is not the sort to slip up in any obvious way. The sneaky, subtle manipulation of perspectives is his style of evil, and it's all over him here.

I can see the possibility of a Sally/Nerwen/Legate wolf trio now ... I'm going to have a closer look at these thrree. Sally does make sense as Menel's night 2 dream, considering his day 2 conspiracy theory, and Nogrod has me fairly convinced he was dreamt of on day one (even though it works in his favor.) I'll be back with more, but maybe not right away -- I've got quite a lot to do this evening in RL.

EDIT: x'd with Nogrod and fixed a typo

[Rikae]

So where were you Rikae? If you were an ordo actually convinced that Mac was an ordo too you would have made an effort - to suggest Mac a deal like you had the earlier Day or to ask my views.


It took me too long to make my vote, you're right, but it was in no way a deliberate plot. I almost voted earlier, but held back for fear of being lynched after I voted -- but I didn't intend it to be the last second.

If I had offered Mac a deal, it might have sealed my fate, and wouldn't have been enough anyway - three votes were needed, and anyone could come in at any time and lynch either of us.

[Rikae]

Oh yeah, and:

And you dare to say that I'm the one suggesting thinking things in a way convenient to myself? :D


I have Mac on the phone, and he was complaining that he didn't get a proper analysis after his death. ;)
It hardly helps me, since I would have known he was innocent as a wolf even more than as an ordo -- and you'll note I didn't analyze him myself.

[Rikae]

Sorry to quadruple post, but:

The three of us could have lynched anyone at that point.


With you? When you suspected both of us? :rolleyes:

[Gwathagor]

I can see the possibility of a Sally/Nerwen/Legate wolf trio now ...

I am beginning to lean this way myself.

[Nogrod]

Just look at how he butters Nogrod up - and, just like he behaved (when it wasn't the case) as if Macalure was the only logical lynch yesterDayI can't resist saying this... I do agree with you Rikae. I was having a good night's cigarette on the balcony and thought whether I should post once more to say that Legate's agreeable - yet on the crucial points a slightly disagreeing - style makes me a bit nervous about him.

But I wouldn't put it past you guys that Rikae posts nicely a light suspicion thing on Legate in the end of the Day2 when there was a real chance that Rikae would be lynched herself. What would look better on Legate the next Day but to have been "analysed" bad by a wolf?

Also toDay that strategy is worthwhile. If Rikae makes a case on a fellow Legate and is lynched then Legate looks good. And if for some miraculous reason Rikae is not lynched but Legate is, then Rikae looks better. And as we can't afford too many mislynches anymore then any confusion is playing to the wolves' cause.

The three of us could have lynched anyone at that point.
With you? When you suspected both of us? But I also said it quite clearly that I was not too happy with lynching any one of you three and that I would like to see new candidates...
To me it depends on the choises we have toDay. But I'd love to see new ideas - or to get them myself.Then I made a few points about Gwath and Sally and ended the post: Oh my... so little time left. Ideas anyone?Speak your minds people. We don't need any last minute frenzies.And after f.ex. agreeing with you Rikae I said: After we see who will in the end turn out and actually vote we'll be much more wiser as to who were hiding at the last moments.

But the fact is I'm not very happy with any of the candidates right now. Of those three I'd pick Mac though. So you can't say I was trying to get you both killed! :rolleyes:

Good night now...

AUCH!
I can see the possibility of a Sally/Nerwen/Legate wolf trio now ...
I am beginning to lean this way myself.Oh my... Please reconsider Gwath. You can't be serious about Rikae not being a wolf...

[Farael]

The Modly Disclaimer
There has been a bit of a misunderstanding between Roa and I. I asked her to check half hour after the deadline to see if I had posted, and if not start/end the day herself and then she told me to let her know if I knew I'd be skipping a deadline. I assumed that was in addition to her checking, so that she could have a bit of warning and the day would start when scheduled.

What happened to me this morning was that I was bed-ridden from eight to ten due to severe back pain (and I mean "severe" as in "if I got up and tried to walk, I'd get dizzy") and then I had to rush to school. I thought by then Roa would've checked the thread and my day was rather busy up until now, so I really had no time to check the thread.

There are two alternatives as far as what we can do with this day. I would be able to end it 24 hours after it started today (1 30 PM my time tomorrow) but we cannot keep that as a deadline, as I'll sure won't be anywhere near a computer during my trip at 1 PM. If the wolves agree, we can have the day last for 24 hours and the following night last only until the regular deadline. To make it up for them, the wolves would be able to pm for the first three hours of the folowing day. I think that is a fair deal, and it doesnt give them the advantage of being able to communicate during voting time.

Of course, the wolves should PM me their thoughts, and any ordos who object should do the same.

Doctor says I should be fine by tomorrow and I feel a lot better already, there will hopefully be no more major problems with the deadlines.

[Rikae]

But I wouldn't put it past you guys that Rikae posts nicely a light suspicion thing on Legate in the end of the Day2 when there was a real chance that Rikae would be lynched herself. What would look better on Legate the next Day but to have been "analysed" bad by a wolf?

Hey, at least I'm being listened to - and if you lynch Legate toMorrow, I've accomplished something.


So you can't say I was trying to get you both killed! :rolleyes:
Of course not. But you could concievably have voted for either of us, or so I thought. Saying you want to see other candidates when you don't have any other suspects yourself, well, doesn't sound that serious.


You can't be serious about Rikae not being a wolf...
Why does this look familiar? :rolleyes:

[McCaber]

Tentative thoughts include a Rikae/Sally/Nerwen trio.

And Rikae is right. No one so far has done a real analysis of Mac. I shall return with thoughts from my point of view, but perhaps more than one would be useful.

[satansaloser2005]

Quick Summary de Sally. Sorry to be so brief, but I need to toddle off to church or I'll be late. These are just iniitial thoughts, so don't be surprised if I actually fully read the posts and change my mind on a couple things. But at least it'll give you all something to go on while I'm away.

Menel's Dream guess for Night one: Rikae. Result? Wolf. He cranks up the suspicion notch on her quite a bit, and doesn't back off her no matter what.

Menel's Dream guess for Night two: Shasta???? Result? Innocent. Big question mark on this one, but I'll give a better guess later. But he seems to disregard any possibility of a Shastawolf after this Night.

It's possible he dreamt me last night. Quite honestly, I wouldn't blame him, because I've been under some suspicion, so it would be beneficial for him to know where I stand rolewise.

My three initial wolf guesses? Nerwen, Rikae, and Legate/Cabbie. No worries, I'll try to explain later as promised. Happy discussion while I'm away. :)

P.S. I'm sorry you haven't been feeling well, Farael. Don't worry about the game, we understand that sometimes RL just plain gets in the way. No big deal. Make sure to feel better though, or we'll have your hide. ;)

[Rikae]

Ok, I'm really starting to think I'm on to something with Sally. I originally pretty much ignored her because I actually try to work against the knee-jerk impulse to lynch weird, hard to understand people, as they usually turn out innocent. But Menel's behavior yesterday fits with the possibility of her wolvishness, and now... look at this:



Nerwen, Legate, Cabbie: I'm leaning innocent, if only because I can't get a read off them. I'll know more about Cabbie once he posts more stuff, and Legate and Nerwen seem confused by everything that's going on, so I'm inclined to think them innocent just based on their naivete.




I can see the possibility of a Sally/Nerwen/Legate wolf trio now



I am beginning to lean this way myself




My three initial wolf guesses? Nerwen, Rikae, and Legate/Cabbie.


Hmm. I can just see Sally saying “they're on to us... backpedal! Backpedal!”

A lesser point, but also, what is this?



It's possible he dreamt me last night. Quite honestly, I wouldn't blame him, because I've been under some suspicion, so it would be beneficial for him to know where I stand rolewise.


It's hard to explain, but this just makes me uneasy. Why is it necessary to explain why he might have dreamt of her, and that she “wouldn't blame him”? It just reads as somehow over-the-top to me – pre-emptive, as if she's thinking “well, I don't want people thinking he dreamt of me earlier... but claiming he dreamt of me at all means admitting I'm suspicious... better mention it myself, first.”

EDIT: Fixing messed-up paragraph spacing.

[Nerwen]

Menel the seer? The only sense I can make of that is that he must have put his hopes in throwing the wolves off his track by doing nothing but accusing an ordo, so he could have as many dreams as possible before revealing. Considering that there was no Ranger, that makes sense - but apparently the wolves thought killing him was a good opportunity to frame me. :(

Well, hey, anything is possible. Does anyone else think it's likely?

Oh, my! How could we have possibly lynched an innocent Macalaure? :eek:

Well, my dear, try– because you defended him so fiercely that everyone started to think there was something between you.

Yes, this is a watertight argument -- we should focus solely on the Macalaure-voters(Legate, Greenie and Nerwen) today. Sure, there are 9 people here, but as Nerwen says "we can only lynch one at a time"! :rolleyes:


Once again, you (wilfully? wolfily?) twist my words. I never said we should focus solely on the Aganzir voters. No-one did, as far as I can remember. And personally, I found you increasingly suspicious yesterday, not because you voted Agan, but because you were so determined that nobody should discuss the voting.

And actually, I agree we should look at the Mac voters (yes, Rikae, including me), and at last night's voting in general. There are three wolves, after all.

Actually, I do find the Macalaure voters wolfish, not because they lynched an ordo, but because they created suspicion out of thin air. I analyzed it yesterday, just go back and look -- the reasons behind lynching Macalaure were utter... mist.

I disagree. I think he looked innocent to you because– well, you knew he was innocent (just as you said, but for different reasons). I think you were using him as a "stalking horse", so to speak, and that you panicked when you realized you were talking your own neck into a noose.

Edit: X'd with Rikae.

[Gwathagor]

Oh my... Please reconsider Gwath. You can't be serious about Rikae not being a wolf...

Her distress YesterDay seemed both genuine and innocent. It is, of course, possible that she just did a really really good job of faking it, but I'll make my mind up about that as the Day progresses. The only thing that might convince me is the fact that Menel the Seer was quite adamant about her guilt. Maybe he dreamed about someone else, such as Sally, and just strongly suspected Rikae?

Nerwen and Legate seem the most wolfish to me, at the moment. They have played it pretty safe so far. If they are wolves, then the most suspicious thing they've done was both voting to kill Macalaure...but, of course, most of us suspected him at some point yesterDay, so maybe it was a safe move?

Sally or A Little Green might be the third wolf. On the one hand, Sally, as Rikae pointed out, has acted funny enough to merit inspection. On the other hand, LG voted with Nerwen and Legate to kill Mac...which could be either a point for or against her, since one could argue that all three wolves wouldn't vote together. Or perhaps they would, because they knew we thought they wouldn't...? Bother.

It seems probably to me that Menel dreamed about Nogrod the first night, and so we should count him innocent.

Yeah, lotsa questions.

[Nerwen]

Her distress YesterDay seemed both genuine and innocent. It is, of course, possible that she just did a really really good job of faking it, but I'll make my mind up about that as the Day progresses.

But I think it was quite genuine– see my comment:

I think you were using him as a "stalking horse", so to speak, and that you panicked when you realized you were talking your own neck into a noose.

Yesterday it was more ambiguous, because we didn't know Menel's role. He went after her pretty heavily, so much so that I had it in mind that he was likely either the Seer or a wolf. My doubt over that is why I finally decided not to vote Rikae.

Nerwen and Legate seem the most wolfish to me, at the moment. They have played it pretty safe so far.

Playing it safe... well, I have been, yes. So have a lot of people. In this game, playing styles seem to be neatly divided between "creep-around-in-the-shadows" and "jump-up-and-down-yelling-for-attention". It's been very hard to get a grip on things.

As for Rikae – there always the chance that she's innocent, the victim of an unusual set of circumstances– including very odd conduct from the Seer– which has made her the perfect victim. But I'd say it's a small chance indeed.

It seems probably to me that Menel dreamed about Nogrod the first night, and so we should count him innocent.

Don't count anyone as definitely innocent. One third of the surviving players are wolves, remember.

[Rikae]

Now Nerwen, no need to take that tone. After all, you're hardly in immediate danger of lynching today.

Still, if you go on coming up with absurdities, you might just change that...

Well, my dear, try– because you defended him so fiercely that everyone started to think there was something between you.

This, for instance. Nerwen suspected Mac, of course, before I defended him - in fact, it was primarily her baseless accusations I defended him against. But now, Mac was lynched because of me... that's some nice revisionist history there!


Once again, you (wilfully? wolfily?) twist my words. I never said we should focus solely on the Aganzir voters.
Actions speak louder than words, "my dear." :)


I disagree. I think he looked innocent to you because– well, you knew he was innocent (just as you said, but for different reasons). I think you were using him as a "stalking horse", so to speak, and that you panicked when you realized you were talking your own neck into a noose.

What's a "stalking horse" anyway? I've already pointed out enough times why the points against Mac were weak. No point in arguing with someone who twists the words of everyone (how many times have we already seen this from Nerwen? She was doing it to Mac on day one.)I'll just point out to the innocent villagers the way Nerwen implies I defended Mac more strongly out of fear defending him would get me lynched!

Since I mentioned Nerwen/Legate/Sally, both the ladies have given me more reason to believe in it.

On the other hand, LG voted with Nerwen and Legate to kill Mac...which could be either a point for or against her, since one could argue that all three wolves wouldn't vote together. Or perhaps they would, because they knew we thought they wouldn't...? Bother.

It wouldn't be unheard of - I've seen it happen before. Still, it's a very bold move and not often done.

EDIT: X'd with Nerwen.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen suspected Mac, of course, before I defended him - in fact, it was primarily her baseless accusations I defended him against. But now, Mac was lynched because of me... that's some nice revisionist history there!

When did I say that was the only reason I suspected Mac?

What's a "stalking horse" anyway? I've already pointed out enough times why the points against Mac were weak. No point in arguing with someone who twists the words of everyone (how many times have we already seen this from Nerwen? She was doing it to Mac on day one.)I'll just point out to the innocent villagers the way Nerwen implies I defended Mac more strongly out of fear defending him would get me lynched!

By that time you couldn't back down without looking worse– also it was better for you to shift the attention back to Macalaure, rather than yourself. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me.

From the O.E.D:

stalking- horse n. 1. a horse or screen behind which a hunter is concealed. 2. a pretext concealing one's real actions or intentions.

[Gwathagor]

By that time you couldn't back down without looking worse– also it was better for you to shift the attention back to Macalaure, rather than yourself. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me.

Sounds like a stretch to me.

What do you think, Legate? Who should we lynch? :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

What an uneventful birthday. :(

Anyway, I'm still leery of voting Rikae becacuse of her reaction to the votes against Mac yesterday. To me, they seemed like something an innocent would say. But the antics of Menel as Seer are hard to ignore.

I'm wondering if maybe we shouldn't take a look at some of those people saying less than usual... Lily, McCaber, Gwathagor, for example.

Having brought up Lily, I'd like it noted that something about the back-and-forth between her and Nerwen on Day 1 seemed.... I don't know, choreographed? I could be completely wrong here, but that's just my impression. I'm getting the smallest similar vibe from Nerwen and Rikae today. Again, could be completely way of base, but I think a Nerwen/Lily/Rikae trio has possibilities. Since I have to vote right now, for fear of modfire, and there are many others who believe Rikae to be guilty, I'm going to place another option up. A "just in case something turns up", but also someone I'm a bit suspicious of.

++Nerwen

[Gwathagor]

Happy birthday Shastanis. Aman minyare! It's actually my dad's as well, as well as one of my friend's. Popular day.

I want to hear from more people...but, I suppose everyone will be on tonight while I am asleep.

[satansaloser2005]

Talk, talk, talk. All this talk and nothing really resolved. Pity.

First of all, a nice little short announcement/plea/whatever you want to call it. Please, please, PLEASE let's not have a repeat of the last two days. By this I mean let's not have people being added to the lynch list at *clears throat* a minute before deadline and half the village not even showing up to vote until a quarter til. I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous.



I'm beginning to see the connection between Rikae and Nerwen more and more clearly now. They seem rivals, yes? But I think this isn't the case, far from it in fact. They've been on opposite ends for a while now (quite handy wolf strategy) and now I think one, if not both, of them are threatened with a noose and so it's in their best interest to push themselves even farther apart. See today's discussion. Back and forth, back and forth between those two. It just seems to staged. Or is that just me? Oh, and Shasta, thanks for pointing out the exchanges between Greenie and Nerwen as well. I'll have to look into them.


Apologies, but my posting's been interrupted. A friend of mine student teaches and needs some help putting together some valentines for her little miscreants....I mean, students. I'll be back later. Post lots and lots while I'm gone! :)


P.S. Happy birthday Shasta! I'm sorry it wasn't terribly eventful, but I hope you had a good day nonetheless, boring though it may be. Good night! :)

[McCaber]

I return from my evening prayers to find that my computer has reset itself.

Well, about my Macanalysis. Basically I thought that he was pushed by the village and misguided by wolves into a pretty bad position. It seemed to me as if Rikae manipulated him by taking his side and Nerwen led the attack from the mob.

I would speak more, but my studies are demanding. I will think, write, and report as time allows.

[Gwathagor]

I am about to retire for the evening. If anyone's interested in my current position, it is this: I will either vote for Legate or Nerwen. I think Rikae is innocent.

Let's get a wolf this time.

[satansaloser2005]

Terribly sorry, but my friend just left and I'm quite tired. I think I'll go to bed for now. Since that's the case, I also am not in the mood to make a snazzy long-winded post, so I'll just give some quick feedback and some feelings I'm getting from the last few posts.

I don't like Gwath's last few posts (save the one about Shasta's birthday). Up until today, he was holding his own and ready to vote for whoever he found guilty regardless of whether other people approved of his votes. Today, he specifically asks Legate, "Who do you think we should lynch?" I'm not (or at least don't think I am) suggesting a wolf pair here, but I think Gwath's sudden change into codependency should be noted. Also, I find it odd how he just dismisses Rikae in his last post without another thought, even though she's getting quite a lot of attention. It's almost as if he's trying to look too obvious, attempting to slip past the metal detectors by wearing an impermeable and steel-toed boots. I just don't like the way things are adding up here.

Okay, off to bed now. Sorry I've been so slack-adaisical toDay, but it's my busiest day of the week classwise so I've been preoccupied. I'll try to post more in the morning before I skedaddle to work, but alas it may only be another quick post and vote session. Sleep well, my fellow pesky Americans!

[Gwathagor]

I better stick up for myself now, lest Sally's post turn into a lynch mob while I am asleep.

I asked Legate's opinion because his response would help me figure out what I think of him. Kind of a ranging shot, to see how he reacts.

The only reason I'm saving my vote is that if I cast it now, it is easier for other voters to act against it, and I want to make sure that it's as effective as possible. Then again, everyone seems to be voting at the last minute anyway, so perhaps it won't do me much good.

Good night.

[Nerwen]

Some thoughts:

If Rikae is a wolf, why did she vote for me?

At that time, it ran thus:

Mac 2, Rikae 2, Sally 1, Gwath 1.

So Rikae had a need to save herself. She could hardly vote Mac after defending him all Day– but why not Gwath or Sally? Sally was under quite a lot of suspicion, and had already voted Rikae.

And then there's the late vote by McCaber. Could the wolves be Rikae, McCaber and someone else who failed to vote (but whom they were expecting)?

...but then we're back with the problem of why they didn't vote Sally or Gwath.

If Rikae is not a wolf, then who did Menel dream of on Night2? And why did he behave as he did?

[McCaber]

Nerwen, I woke up three minutes before the DL and needed to vote fast. Either you or Mac I would have been fine with, and you were the first that came to mind. (And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for my meddling alarm clock)

[Nogrod]

I'm in a hurry but just remainding you people.

Menel was the seer.

He suspected Rikae on Day1 - with some reservations at least in the beginning but enough to give his vote to her in the end.

He jumped on Rikae with full force - with no reservations whatsoever from the beginning of Day2.

Need we say more?

Night2 dream = Rikae = wolf.


She plays beautifully and kudos for that but there are just facts contradicting her words.

Only Menel acting in the most weird and unresponsible way could change that assessment. And he's a seasoned player.

[Nerwen]

Look, at this point it would take a lot to convince me not to vote Rikae– but weird things do happen sometimes.

If she's a wolf, who are the others?

I mean, there's Legate, Lily and McCaber (and you, Nogrod), who've been creeping around in the background most of the time. You'd think at least one wolf would be trying that.

Then there's Sally– apart from everything else against her, Rikae has a point here:

Why is it necessary to explain why he might have dreamt of her, and that she “wouldn't blame him”? It just reads as somehow over-the-top to me – pre-emptive, as if she's thinking “well, I don't want people thinking he dreamt of me earlier... but claiming he dreamt of me at all means admitting I'm suspicious... better mention it myself, first.”

And Shasta– I hadn't seriously suspected him before, but now I really hope he's a wolf. If he's not, there's three wolves out there who can jump on that vote of his.

Finally, there's this Gwathagor character. What is he up to?

I wish I had time to read through everything, but I can't. I've got an audition tomorrow.

Edit: fixed bolding.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What do you think, Legate? Who should we lynch? :)

If you wish, I think Menel's suspicion on Rikae was based on his dreams, either on Night 1 or 2, and therefore, I think she is a Wolf. Of all the people, I am most convinced about her. Otherwise, there is Sally, whom I suspect still, also counting with the voting patterns: it was already mentioned here; Rikae could have voted her, yet chose not to. So that's also one more reason to lynch her, as I believe if Rikae is indeed a Wolf, Sally might be very likely as well.

Before anything happens, I won't be as fast to jump into conclusions who the last wolf might be (and that is, we don't even know about these two). But these two I find likely to be connected. Now, I can't say I would be 100% sure of anyone's innocence, as after reading toDay's posts, it may be almost either way. But all the lines go to Rikae, as I said, of all I am most convinced about her.

[Nerwen]

Otherwise, there is Sally, whom I suspect still, also counting with the voting patterns: it was already mentioned here; Rikae could have voted her, yet chose not to.

Lest we forget: she could have voted Gwathagor, too. And he's beginning to worry me– as are his interactions with Legate and Sally. Look at this series:

(#294, replying to Rikae's suggestion that the wolves are Sally, Nerwen & Legate)
I am beginning to lean this way myself.


(#302)
Nerwen and Legate seem the most wolfish to me, at the moment. They have played it pretty safe so far.


(#306)
What do you think, Legate? Who should we lynch? :)

So he's all for lynching Legate, then he's asking him how to vote. :confused:


(#311)
I am about to retire for the evening. If anyone's interested in my current position, it is this: I will either vote for Legate or Nerwen. I think Rikae is innocent.

No, wait, he's back to lynching him!


Then Sally says:
Today, he specifically asks Legate, "Who do you think we should lynch?" I'm not (or at least don't think I am) suggesting a wolf pair here, but I think Gwath's sudden change into codependency should be noted.


and he responds:
(#313)
I better stick up for myself now, lest Sally's post turn into a lynch mob while I am asleep.

I asked Legate's opinion because his response would help me figure out what I think of him. Kind of a ranging shot, to see how he reacts.


Ideas, anyone? Is he just very confused, or is there something more to it?

Edit: word left out.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nerwen, I don't think there is anything particularly suspicious in Gwathagor's actions. I believe he is only, as you say, confused. As a new player, such things are possible. Yet you are right that he was a voting option back then as well. Anyway, we cannot collect much from it as long as we don't know identities of the concerned people.

EDIT: One technical question. Roa posted one version of DL time with the narration, Farael proposed something different here. Which one will be the real DL? And Farael, do I understand it right that your version is 7:30 PM GMT?

[Rikae]

Well, I have the flu and I'm also horribly busy toDay, and I also have to leave for class at the deadline, so I think I better vote early toDay.

++Nerwen

Just look over her posts again -- she's showing her fangs more than ever. Now, goodbye all... I might not make it back for DL.

[Nerwen]

Look, let's suppose we lynch Rikae and she's innocent after all. (I don't think it's likely, but let's just suppose.) What do we do then– I mean, apart from beating Menel to a pulp? Lynch Sally? (But part of the case against her depends on Rikae not voting for her.)

I'm just saying this because if we get the wrong person toDay, we're in major trouble, the way the numbers are.

Edit: X'd with Rikae.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Look, let's suppose we lynch Rikae and she's innocent after all. (I don't think it's likely, but let's just suppose.) What do we do then– I mean, apart from beating Menel to a pulp? Lynch Sally? (But part of the case against her depends on Rikae not voting for her.)

I'm just saying this because if we get the wrong person toDay, we're in major trouble, the way the numbers are.

And what do you advise to do? Or, why do you say this? We are going to know toMorrow whether we got the right person or not, but why are you saying this now? This has no value now. This far, there were votes for you, and I am most probably going to vote Rikae. What you say looks like you are, unspoken, but between the lines trying to get us thinking about another possible subject to lynch besides you or Rikae. Why? The idea that pops up in my mind is that you two are both wolves and you want to try to find another (innocent) candidate. Otherwise I cannot see why are you saying this.

[Nerwen]

And what do you advise to do? Or, why do you say this? We are going to know toMorrow whether we got the right person or not, but why are you saying this now? This has no value now.

Just last minute doubts, Legate.:(

EDIT: One technical question. Roa posted one version of DL time with the narration, Farael proposed something different here. Which one will be the real DL? And Farael, do I understand it right that your version is 7:30 PM GMT?

Farael said:

There are two alternatives as far as what we can do with this day. I would be able to end it 24 hours after it started today (1 30 PM my time tomorrow) but we cannot keep that as a deadline, as I'll sure won't be anywhere near a computer during my trip at 1 PM. If the wolves agree, we can have the day last for 24 hours and the following night last only until the regular deadline. To make it up for them, the wolves would be able to pm for the first three hours of the folowing day. I think that is a fair deal, and it doesnt give them the advantage of being able to communicate during voting time.

Of course, the wolves should PM me their thoughts, and any ordos who object should do the same.

So... I guess we don't know yet when the deadline is.

[Nerwen]

Well, I may as well put my money where my mouth is:

++Rikae.

Goodnight, all.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So... I guess we don't know yet when the deadline is.

Well, great - because I have to leave and I don't know whether I'd have the chance to check on computer. Or, well, I will have a chance, but probably only a short one, and this is why I would like to know the time of DL, so that I don't appear three hours after it.

edit: x-ed with Nerwen

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, just for the eventual case I don't show up, here is my vote.

++Rikae

Choose well, people - and I hope I will appear here at least before DL.

[A Little Green]

Okay, I'm here - I'm off to read through the thread, back in a while.

[satansaloser2005]

Shoot shoot shoot! I slept in! I've only got abut five or ten minutes, so I best make this quick....

I find both Rikae and Nerwen very suspicious, as I've stated previously. Rikae's been that way for the entire game, and I think it's pretty obvious she's been dreamt of. Nerwen, however, is still diverting attention at the moment and I don't like it. If we kill an ordo today, she'll come up with some lovely sounding post which will do nothing but draw suspicion to wherever the heck she wants it. She's too slick, in my opinion. Still....there's the whole "Rikae's pretty much been handed to us on a silver platter" thing to consider....ack, what to do, what to do....

But....I think Rikae can wait until the next Day, since she's in my opinion more exposed and therefore less of a threat (meaning there's less of a chance she can escape a lynch toMorrow). So my thought is, let's lynch:

++Nerwen

today and get it over with. Besides, with her gone we'll be able to make a lot more sense of what some other people have been saying.

My top lynch candidates today are Nerwen (obviously) and Rikae (also obviously). If we have to I guess I could go for Gwath (again, he just seems to be acting different toDay and it's bizarre) but I'd prefer one of the others. Either way, kill a wolf and I'll be happy. I best be off in a bit here. Happy lynching! ;)

[Gwathagor]

++Nerwen

[A Little Green]

Some thoughts about the Day, then.

This entire Rikae-issue is leaving me quite baffled. After Day2 I thought she was likely innocent, mostly because her "panic" looked so genuine. After Menel being revealed as the seer, though, I can't see the option to her being a wolf. After all, I very much doubt a seer would risk accusing an innocent so persistently, because it seems obvious that he dreamed of her some night. Why? Because if he suspected her it would seem unlikely that he didn't dream of her. And if he dreamt of her and found her innocent he wouldn't have dared go on with his attacks on her. Thus I'm inclined to think that Rikae is a wolf.

By the way. The votes this far are

Shasta > Nerwen (Nerwen 1)
Rikae > Nerwen (Nerwen 2)
Nerwen > Rikae (Rikae 1, Nerwen 2)
Legate > Rikae (Rikae 2, Nerwen 2)
Sally > Nerwen (Rikae 2, Nerwen 3)
Gwath > Nerwen (Rikae 2, Nerwen 4)

I don't know what to think about this. Meanwhile Nerwen doesn't look too innocent either (mainly because her interactions with Rikae look a little schemed), I find it weird that so many people should vote for her instead of Rikae, who (at least according to my reasoning) looks like an almost certain wolf.

I had a look at the two others than Rikae who voted for Nerwen. Gwath seems to side with Rikae all Day, except for his very first post which says I suppose it's possible that Menel had dreamed about Rikae? Should we assume that he was right about all those he accused? I don't know what to make of this, really, or indeed if it's of any substance at all, but I thought I'd mention it.
Sally brings up the theory of Nerwen and Rikae being fellows. I find it rather disturbing that in one post she says this: Menel's Dream guess for Night one: Rikae. Result? Wolf. He cranks up the suspicion notch on her quite a bit, and doesn't back off her no matter what. Which gives the impression that she believes that Rikae is a wolf. Her suspicion on Nerwen is mainly based on her interactions with Rikae. I think it's weird that she should vote Nerwen after stating her belief in Rikae's wolvishness. Thoughts?

My guess for the wolves? Rikae and probably Nerwen and someone. Though Sally is probably the most suspicious-looking of the rest, the combination just doesn't work. Sally would be playing a very bold game if she were a wolf with Rikae and Nerwen, after all her statements on a connection between them. I'm inclined to think the third one is someone who has slipped under everyone's (well, at least mine :rolleyes:) radar in all this discussion about Rikae. Possibly Shasta, or Noggie, or McCaber? I'll have a look at those three, as they are the ones I have least opinion of.

And, as someone noted, I have been contributing pitifully little, and apologise for that. I haven't been able to post much lately but now I'll give it a try since I have time at last.

I'll be back again with more stuff. Beware! :p

[Nogrod]

Look, let's suppose we lynch Rikae and she's innocent after all. (I don't think it's likely, but let's just suppose.) What do we do then– I mean, apart from beating Menel to a pulp?
......
I'm just saying this because if we get the wrong person toDay, we're in major trouble, the way the numbers are.Therefore we need to take the obvious one out toDay and lynch Rikae to enhance our chances of getting it right toDay.

And if it's wrong then Menel surely owes us an explanation... :( But I just can't believe it, it would be soo irresponsible behaviour from the seer.


++ Rikae

When you can lynch a werewolf - just do it.

The possibility of losing two ordos before reconsidering lynching her toMorrow is too risky. It's now 3 against 6. If we miss toDay and after they kill me the next Night it will be 3-4 toMorrow and then only one of the innocents overtalked or missing the vote will seal the game for the wolves toMorrow.

So Sally's theory looks very wolvish to me at this point as if we "try" Nerwen toDay we risk too much with our numbers as I said above.

Also Gwath's vote looks pretty terrible right now.

[Gwathagor]

By the way. The votes this far are

Shasta > Rikae (Rikae 1)
Rikae > Nerwen (Rikae 1, Nerwen 1)
Nerwen > Rikae (Rikae 2, Nerwen 1)
Legate > Rikae (Rikae 3, Nerwen 1)
Sally > Nerwen (Rikae 3, Nerwen 2)
Gwath > Nerwen (Rikae 3, Nerwen 3)



Shasta voted Nerwen, not Rikae.

[Farael]

This is a friendly reminder that the game will go on until 1 30 my time, 7 30 GMT and 5 30 Buenos Aires time. Not that any of you are from "La reina del plata".

[A Little Green]

Quickly about McCaber's posts toDay, since he was one of those I promised I'd have a look at. Now this is no proper post-by-post analysis, but anyway.

His first post, the fifth of the Day: Our seer did not survive the night? Truly this is the Dawnless Day.

Mayhap the late Menel struck too close with some of his accusations. He hounded Rikae pretty bad, but he also attacked Mac and Sally.

Rikae is indeed the obvious choice, but perhaps Sally needs looking at, as well. There is something there, I can't put my finger on it really, but something is just... well... wrong. Something about that "let's be general, annoy no one, state the obvious, look helpful" -manner. Might be just me being paranoid, though, because his later ones say little, but sound good, or let's say neutral, enough. He seems like a possibility for the third, stay-in-the-shadows -wolf, but not utterly alarming. Quite neutral overall, I'd say. Off to read Shasta, then...

[A Little Green]

Shasta voted Nerwen, not Rikae. Gosh, I knew there was something wrong with my count there. Thanks, I'll correct it right away.

[McCaber]

First, just to make sure it counts.

++Rikae

Because if Menel was wrong about this, he deserved to be killed.

[Nogrod]

Re-counting the votes gives us a tally of:

Shasta > Nerwen (Nerwen 1)
Rikae > Nerwen (Nerwen 2)
Nerwen > Rikae (Rikae 1, Nerwen 2)
Legate > Rikae (Rikae 2, Nerwen 2)
Sally > Nerwen (Rikae 2, Nerwen 3)
Gwath > Nerwen (Rikae 2, Nerwen 4)
Nogrod > Rikae (Rikae 3, Nerwen 4)
McCaber > Rikae (Rikae 4, Nerwen 4)

It's up to you LG - and how I do hope now you're not a wolf... :confused:

We can't have four wolves around and Farael promised there are no surprises (like cobblers). So I must say these votes really should be scrutinised toMorrow.

[A Little Green]

Shasta, then.

His first post says I suppose now one must wonder just why he was so adamantly against Rikae. Even after that he seems to be supporting the theory of Rikae being a wolf. Then, when he casts his vote, he reasons it with Since I have to vote right now, for fear of modfire, and there are many others who believe Rikae to be guilty, I'm going to place another option up. A "just in case something turns up", but also someone I'm a bit suspicious of.

++NerwenGenerally I don't understand people who vote for someone else than their top suspect unless it is not some special case (eg. saving an innocent from being lynched etc). His reasoning left me quite baffled.

Overall he looks somewhat suspicious, but not quite on the reddest zone or anything. I'll have the famous tight eye on him I suppose. :p

edit: x-ed with McCaber and Nog

[A Little Green]

The flood continues.

Nog is either playing a very neat wolf or is an innocent. Nothing to quote, nothing that makes me suspect him. Should I call that suspicious? :p The only thing I'd like to bring up about him is his his constant underlining and certainty of that the wolves will kill him. Why exactly do you assume that, Nog, and why repeat it so much?

And, so that it is done, here comes my vote.

++ Rikae

For the reasons I stated earlier. Am I indeed the last one to vote?

[Gwathagor]

I believe that Rikae's passionate defense of Mac yesterDay proclaims her innocence. She was acting (apologies, Rikae:)) REALLY REALLY agitated and distressed. Rikae is a good enough player that, were she a wolf, she would NEVER draw attention to herself in that way, because the chances are she would end up with everyone eying her suspiciously...as happened to day. A daring bluff? Maybe....but if so, she took it too far and it didn't work. I think she would have realized the consequences of making a fuss: people begin to look at you askance.

We've voted for someone obviously suspicious the last two Days, and it hasn't worked out. Let's try something different.

EDIT: NO! Crossed with LG. Oh well, I tried.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I believe that Rikae's passionate defense of Mac yesterDay proclaims her innocence. She was acting (apologies, Rikae:)) REALLY REALLY agitated and distressed. Rikae is a good enough player that, were she a wolf, she would NEVER draw attention to herself in that way, because the chances are she would end up with everyone eying her suspiciously...as happened to day. A daring bluff? Maybe....but if so, she took it too far and it didn't work. I think she would have realized the consequences of making a fuss: people begin to look at you askance.

We've voted for someone obviously suspicious the last two Days, and it hasn't worked out. Let's try something different.

EDIT: NO! Crossed with LG. Oh well, I tried.

Hi all. Didn't realize how far today was going to be extended, and I got out of Acting early, so I have the computer for about twenty minutes. Looks like everyone's voted.

Gwath, that's going to look extremely fishy tomorrow if Rikae turns out to be a wolf...

[McCaber]

Now, some thoughts.

Gwathagor, your reasoning looks flimsy to me. Menel was the seer, and spent all of Day2 attacking Rikae. He is too good of a player to do that without reason.

Rikae and Nerwen have been at each others' throats the entire game. Could this be designed, a wolf ploy for one to look innocent?

LG, must there always be an "in-the-shadows wolf"? That seems like an awkward strategy on the wolves' part, because when the crucial days come around I've noticed the quiet players being killed on principle quite often.

I must return to my studies, but I shall be here before Nightfall.

[Nogrod]

I might just try to look at this now. Yes we do not know the outcome but I'm as convinced on Rikae's guilt one can be in a ww-game unless a seer has openly revealed and then gotten killed & proved true. And anyhow we could try to spot the possible innocent(s) from there as we can't have four wolves.

Surely one wolf might have voted for Rikae as well but I can't believe there are two of them - or then this village is the most confused ever seen in the Barrow Downs. :)

Votes for Nerwen:
1. Shasta > Nerwen (Nerwen 1)
2. Rikae > Nerwen (Nerwen 2)

5. Sally > Nerwen (Rikae 2, Nerwen 3)
6. Gwath > Nerwen (Rikae 2, Nerwen 4)

Okay then.

Shasta
was the first to vote. He said: Since I have to vote right now, for fear of modfire, and there are many others who believe Rikae to be guilty, I'm going to place another option up. A "just in case something turns up", but also someone I'm a bit suspicious of.Now this might be an innocent speaking here but still I think I'm smelling a rat here. This would be very safe indeed for a fellow wolf while not arousing too much suspicion (the early vote + the explanation) he still would have eased Rikae's struggle.

innocence-factor 20%


Rikae
voted for Nerwen because she had built up a case on her all the game and had managed to win many people to think her way about Nerwen. She has played magnificiently (I mean this is going to the lorebooks!) but Menel clearly had dreamt of her and that's the end of her story.

innocence-factor 1%


Sally
had this very wolfy-plan of lynching Nerwen toDay and leaving Rikae as the "safe bet" for toMorrow. But now if we managed to lynch Rikae only with votes 5-4 when there are 6 innocents and 3 wolves how could we have lynched her toMorrow with possibly 3 wolves and only 4 innocents left? There's also the point about Rikae shying away from voting Sally on Day2 and sacrificing Mac instead with a vote given so late no one could change the situation any more (poor Mac waited for her online the last minutes to vote and give him a chance... how evil!).

innocence-factor 15%

Gwath
I suspected already yesterDay as I have found his actions erratic and confusing (we just may have different logics or something). His last post about how impressed he was with Rikae's emotionally loaded performance kind of talks in favour of his innocence but not on behalf of his werewolf-wits. Sorry Gwath but I'm afraid you have been fooled this time. Good players like Rikae can pull anything out from their hats - it has been seen many times before. And Gwath's logic is misguided at least in the sense that Rikae had no other chance: being hunted monomaniacally by the revealed seer leaves one with only a few options... So a misguided ordo or a wolf?

innocence-factor 30%


What's your take on this? That's my opinion.

Btw. this doesn't mean the Rikae-voters should be considered safe either. A witty wolf would cease the day if s/he saw innocents making bad decisions and voting for the non-wolf and thence voting for her/his mate just to gain credibility for the last Days. It would be wise indeed.

But speculating about the wolves here should be left for toMorrow as we are then 100% sure about Rikae and see whom the wolves have taken out from the equiation during the Night.

[A Little Green]

LG, must there always be an "in-the-shadows wolf"? That seems like an awkward strategy on the wolves' part, because when the crucial days come around I've noticed the quiet players being killed on principle quite often.
Oh well. I didn't mean exactly that in my post with the "in-the-shadows wolf". Let me clarify my point. I suspect Rikae and maybe Nerwen are wolves and of the third I have no idea. The third is most likely someone not really looked at, someone not especially quiet maybe but someone who isn't considered at all, or not much, in the late discussion. That's what I meant with my "stay-in-the-shadows -wolf". Sorry for the confusion.

[Farael]

So Rikae Will die toDay. Should I just tell you all what she was?

Of course not, you have two hours of wondering whether you made the right choice or not before the deadline

[Rikae]

Well, I did my best to help you, and if just one had seen reason, it would have worked.
Lynching an ordo toDay means the wolves only have to decieve one ordo toMorrow. Good luck, you'll need it...

[McCaber]

Thanks, LG. That clears up some thoughts for me.

I think toDay was productive. One wolf (hopefully) down, several suspects flushed out. I will see you all (hopefully, again) on the morrow.

[Rikae]

Ah well, good luck (to some of you) -- I've done what I can, though my fate was sealed before day 1 started, I think.

I will say one thing -- that was *not* acting, by the fur on my muzzle! I don't like seeing an innocent Macalaure persecuted in any case. Post #205 comes straight from my evil little heart. :Merisu:

And sorry, Farael... :p

[Roa_Aoife]

END OF DAY

Alright, Rikae's dead. I'll have a suitable death scene up in a little bit.

Legate
Nogrod
McCaber
Sally
Gwathagor
A Little Green
Nerwen
Shasta


Dead:
Roa: Eaten by werewolves, or otherwise gone missing
Farael: Killed by a convenient plot-twist
Aganzir: Squished into non-existance inside a d2
Loomy: May not be dead, but she's sure too far from the game to be of much help
Macalaure: Lynched old-fashion way
Meneltarmacil: Lost to the whims of the GM
Rikae

The Tally
2 wolves

[Farael]

This is aggravating! This time I have no (proper) excuses, I just lost track of time. This week is a little crazy at school, and my times are a little all over the place. Heres the narration.

Rikae had a plan. It was brilliant, it was risky but the chances of nailing whom she was looking for were rather high. Of course, it would draw some danger and suspicion her way, but which adventurer wouldn’t gladly put her life at risk to further her own goals? That’s almost the definition of an adventurer anyway.

She ‘latched on’ to Macalaure hoping for the best. Of course, should Mac be her target she’d be in trouble, but what were the odds? Not to mention that specially on the first few days no-one would have much idea of who anyone else was, and should Macalaure decide not to play ball, Rikae could’ve easily changed plans and quieted accusations by claiming it was the first-few-days’ haze that had her confused.

Then Menel happened. “Accursed insane adventurer!” She thought to herself. Of course, she would not betray her thoughts to the rest of the folks trapped in the Barrow “Can’t you see what I am trying to do here? Can’t you see this is all for your own good? The writing is on the wall and you are blind, blind to it”

The moods of the mob were fickle, Rikae knew, just the day before Macalaure had been gruesomely lynched. It had proven to her benefit that Mac had been just an ordo, as she suspected all along, but now the tides of fate were turning and she was on the spotlight.

“Nothing to fear” she thought “I have prepared for this moment” and she launched herself into an eloquent defence of herself and accusation of a more suitable target. It was the moment of truth, the point where her plan would come to fruition or come crashing down in flames. She endeavoured hard, she expressed, pointed out, claimed... but to no avail.

When the votes were tallied up, she was to be the one to die that day.
“Wait, I can explain” she said wearily “It was all a plan, this is for the best...”
“Oh, no you don’t! Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice shame on us too!” Said A Little Green as she lunged at Rikae with a sword.

A Little Green had never been much of a swordswoman, but this time her luck held (or Rikae’s ran out) and she pierced the poor woman’s heart. Rikae never got a chance to explain how her plan would’ve helped the adventurers.

So, you are probably wondering “What happened to Farael? His narration is not funny!“ and for most of you it is not. However, for me and the Two remaining wolves, it is probably amusing to imagine the rest of you reading all of this without quite figuring out whether Rikae was an ordo with a plan or a wolf with delusions that somehow, eating everyone would help them. I should take a moment to say “Rikae you are an awfully cunning monster. If I hadn’t been the Mod I would’ve had some serious doubts about what to do. Good job.”

The Living:
Legate
Nogrod
McCaber
Sally
Gwathagor
A Little Green
Nerwen
Shasta


The Dead:
Roa: Eaten by werewolves, or otherwise gone missing
Farael: Killed by a convenient plot-twist
Aganzir: Squished into non-existance inside a d2
Loomy: May not be dead, but she's sure too far from the game to be of much help
Macalaure: Lynched old-fashion way
Meneltarmacil: Lost to the whims of the GM
Rikae: WOLF dead because of her cunning plan of world-domination (or at the very least, adventurer-snacking)

The Tally
2 wolves

The notice: The next game Day will start at the regular time, the wolves will NOT be allowed to PM during the first hours of the day, as they think it that a shortened night will be enough to suit their plotting.

[Farael]

A Little Green was feeling quite proud of herself. After all, she had a pivotal role in getting rid of Rikae the Wolf and that meant that she’d have at least one more day to live. Let’s face it, who would vote for her now?

Meanwhile, there were two adventurers who did not feel nearly as joyous. They had felt nigh invincible for a couple of nights, but now they had lost one of their number. That would not do, the night called for some special treatment.

The first thought in most villagers’ mind when they woke up was “wonderful, I am not dead”. Their second thought in most cases was “What the...”. The whole room was painted a lovely pink. It was Sally who found a note. It read

“You may have gotten one of us, but before then we got three of you. You cannot win, might as well give up. In the mean time, I hope you enjoy A Little... Pink”

The Living:
Legate
Nogrod
McCaber
Sally
Gwathagor
Nerwen
Shasta


The Dead:
Roa: Eaten by werewolves, or otherwise gone missing
Farael: Killed by a convenient plot-twist
Aganzir: Squished into non-existance inside a d2
Loomy: May not be dead, but she's sure too far from the game to be of much help
Macalaure: Lynched old-fashion way
Meneltarmacil: Lost to the whims of the GM
Rikae: WOLF dead because of her cunning plan of world-domination (or at the very least, adventurer-snacking)
A Little Green: Dyed... the walls a lovely pink.


The Tally
2 wolves

[Gwathagor]

Well...I'll be the first one to say it: I got completely duped, and now I look REALLY suspicious.

[Nerwen]

At last! We got one.

...But I am in total awe of Rikae. The Seer had all but tattooed "Wolf" on her forehead– and she came this close to talking her way out of it. I'm glad I wasn't around near the deadline– that would have been horribly nerveracking.

And thanks, Little Green. R.I.P.

Edit: X'd with Gwathagor.

[Nerwen]

Well...I'll be the first one to say it: I got completely duped, and now I look REALLY suspicious.

That you do. But cheer up, Gwath, there's somebody who looks even worse than you:

Still....there's the whole "Rikae's pretty much been handed to us on a silver platter" thing to consider....ack, what to do, what to do....

But....I think Rikae can wait until the next Day, since she's in my opinion more exposed and therefore less of a threat (meaning there's less of a chance she can escape a lynch toMorrow). So my thought is, let's lynch:

++Nerwen

today and get it over with.

Is it just that I'm biased, or is that one of the most twisted pieces of reasoning of all time: "Rikae's almost certainly a wolf... so let's lynch someone else!"

I mean, what?

[Gwathagor]

Maybe one of the remaining two wolves hid amongst the Rikae voters? Is that too far-fetched?

[Gwathagor]

Such as...Legate...for example, of course.

[Nerwen]

Maybe one of the remaining two wolves hid amongst the Rikae voters? Is that too far-fetched?

Not at all. It's what you'd expect...

Only, yesterDay's votes were very strange.

After killing Menel, the wolves would have assumed Rikae would get lynched– it was worth it to them to get the Seer– and one or both of them would have voted her. Then she put up such an incredible fight that she started to sway people. It's possible that both her packmates changed their minds and took the risk of trying to save her.

I say this because I can hardly believe so many people honestly decided not to vote her, when there was such a case against her.

Edit: X'd with Gwathagor.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, after seeing yesterDay's events, I must say it was quite close and in any case, Rikae indeed quite succeeded in her misleading tactics. With this, I would like to point out that given our numbers, this shows how dangerous the voting may be, and since there are two wolves among us, their votes have large weight. It is of question whether there were (except for Rikae) one, two or no votes among Nerwen-voters. Personally I don't think they'd dare to vote all for Nerwen, on the other hand, given the close result of the vote, it may be possible. Anyway, after this I am inclined to think better of Nerwen, as she was the only other candidate against Rikae and Rikae herself voted her. Well, technically, there is of course the possibility of both them being wolves, but I don't think it much sure and Nerwen did not seem much suspicious to me this far. However, the same way, Rikae being a Wolf confirms my suspicions of Sally whom I now think as another Wolf, based on their seeming connection with Rikae, as it was said earlier.

And LG's death - well, personally I don't recall her posting much, did she? I am going to go through her posts to try to see if we can find what might have been the cause for her death.

EDIT: x-ed since Nerwen's second post

[Nerwen]

It's worth a try, but I imagine she was just a safe kill at that point.

I have to go now. I'm be back later in the Day. Good luck.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, sorry for the delay, I'm back, we just have a new (old) President. Well, I went through LG's posts. She spoke about her suspects probably the most in her post #331:
My guess for the wolves? Rikae and probably Nerwen and someone. Though Sally is probably the most suspicious-looking of the rest, the combination just doesn't work. Sally would be playing a very bold game if she were a wolf with Rikae and Nerwen, after all her statements on a connection between them. I'm inclined to think the third one is someone who has slipped under everyone's (well, at least mine ) radar in all this discussion about Rikae. Possibly Shasta, or Noggie, or McCaber? I'll have a look at those three, as they are the ones I have least opinion of.
From these, she said McCaber might be a "stay-in-the-shadows" wolf, Shasta she mentioned as being baffled by his reasoning, but not particularly suspecting him, and Nog either playing a neat wolf or being innocent.

I am not sure whether to judge anything from it. It may be possible that there's a wolf among those she suspected, but it may as well be that she was killed to bring into spotlight those she suspected, or that she was killed simply because she was a rather quiet player and did not leave many concrete tracks. So yes, I think maybe a "safe kill" is one of the more plausible solutions... though of course, we cannot know. I would maybe like to hear other people's opinions on that.

[satansaloser2005]

Well....let's see here. Need to read further back, but one of the last things Greenie said was:

I suspect Rikae and maybe Nerwen are wolves and of the third I have no idea. The third is most likely someone not really looked at, someone not especially quiet maybe but someone who isn't considered at all, or not much, in the late discussion.

She also says this, which Legate mentioned as well:

My guess for the wolves? Rikae and probably Nerwen and someone. Though Sally is probably the most suspicious-looking of the rest, the combination just doesn't work. Sally would be playing a very bold game if she were a wolf with Rikae and Nerwen, after all her statements on a connection between them. I'm inclined to think the third one is someone who has slipped under everyone's (well, at least mine ) radar in all this discussion about Rikae. Possibly Shasta, or Noggie, or McCaber? I'll have a look at those three, as they are the ones I have least opinion of.

My theory is that one of the wolves is hiding away and being very stealthy, and they want it to stay that way. That and if Nerwen is a wolf (which I'm pretty sure she is) she needs to get rid of anyone who is A)pretty innocent looking and B)after her in an obvious way.

So let's follow the theory that Nerwen is a wolf, which I find pretty dern plausible. Her choices are Legate, Shasta, Me, Gwath, Greenie, Cabbie, and Noggie, and from that I would find Shasta, Noggie, and Greenie the most helpful to get rid of.

Gwath and I look suspicious enough that we need to be kept around, assuming of course that we're not wolfiekinses ourselves, and Cabbie and Legate the same but to a lesser extent.

Shasta's most likely been dreamt of, so I would think that the wolfsies would kill him, but since he's not said to make himself interesting he survived.

Noggie....well I don't know why she wouldn't kill Noggie, as he's been fairly active. Maybe they're fellows, although he doesn't seem furry. Could explain the death of Greenie though, as up until now Noggie's barely even been mentioned and then Greenie brings him up as a possible suspect. Might have been the kicker between her and Shasta.

[satansaloser2005]

One moment. Allow Emily and I to do our double post dance. *does the dance while Emily quacks along to the music*

Okay, all done now. Just an FYI that I'll be gone for a bit, and then I'll try to (maybe) post some more before I go to work. I need to head down to visit the campus nurse and get some lunch since I didn't go to classes again today. *mumbles* If I don't post before then, it'll be about 8 hours before I return, but I'll be around. Happy posting! :)

[McCaber]

Rather quiet in these parts, is it not?

To me, Nerwen and Sally look suspicious by themselves, but not as a group. I just don't believe that both wolves would be that visible. I'm leaning towards Nerwen on this Day, but only just.

[Nerwen]

Oh Gawd, not this again.

McCaber, if you are innocent, please consider that the "Nerwen is a wolf" thing came from Rikae (wolf) and now Sally– who surely ought to be the number one suspect for toDay, after the way she voted. (Not the voted itself, but the reasons she gave, as with the Shasta vote.)

Whereas your suspicion on me is based, I believe on the fact that Rikae and I went after each other heavily yesterDay, and you think it's staged. Do you not see that it doesn't make sense when there was no other candidate?

Remember, we can't afford to waste votes now.

[satansaloser2005]

....I'm on lunch break right now, but I can't help noticing. Nerwen, you're all concerned about Shasta and my votes yesterday. Maybe because they were for you?

....You can't be serious. It's easier to find out the identity of our questionable suspect (and give us all lots of posts to analyze over the Night) and then see what we can glean from that. Pretty much everyone should have known Rikae was a wolf, so her lynch was too easy and would have really given us no additional information. As Greenie, rest her character, would have said, "I'm going to keep a tight eye on you."

Okay, I need to go, or I'll be late getting back to work. Post some more people! Seriously, I want some stuff to look at when I get back. :)

[Nerwen]

Sally, you cannot be serious. The village was in desperate straits last Night.

If we had lynched another ordo, today there would three wolves to four innocents. All it would take is one of them to fall for Rikae's "Voice of Saruman" act or her crocodile tears or whatever method she chose to employ.

We simply could not afford to pass up a near-certainty like Rikae.

Gwathagor has the excuse of being inexperienced. You haven't. I think you're a wolf.

Edit: fixed bolding.

[Nerwen]

Now, Shasta:

He casts the first vote of the day:
What an uneventful birthday. :(

Anyway, I'm still leery of voting Rikae becacuse of her reaction to the votes against Mac yesterday. To me, they seemed like something an innocent would say. But the antics of Menel as Seer are hard to ignore.

I'm wondering if maybe we shouldn't take a look at some of those people saying less than usual... Lily, McCaber, Gwathagor, for example.

Having brought up Lily, I'd like it noted that something about the back-and-forth between her and Nerwen on Day 1 seemed.... I don't know, choreographed? I could be completely wrong here, but that's just my impression. I'm getting the smallest similar vibe from Nerwen and Rikae today. Again, could be completely way of base, but I think a Nerwen/Lily/Rikae trio has possibilities. Since I have to vote right now, for fear of modfire, and there are many others who believe Rikae to be guilty, I'm going to place another option up. A "just in case something turns up", but also someone I'm a bit suspicious of.

++Nerwen

Now, he doesn't look as terrible as Sally, because he expresses doubts as to Rikae's guilt (whereas Sally thinks Rikae has been "handed to us on a silver platter"– and then votes me!), but it's the same logic: "If Rikae is guilty, Nerwen might be guilty by association– let's vote Nerwen."

Huh?

This wouldn't have been so bad if the numbers had been on our side, but they weren't. We simply could not risk making throwaway votes.

[Nerwen]

I just cannot believe that both Sally and Shasta honestly reasoned as they did.

If only one of them's a wolf, I'd guess it's Sally.

Her vote, remember, wasn't even a throwaway– it was a most deliberate attempt to get someone other than the almost-known wolf lynched. After all, Rikae herself was sure to vote me... Gwathagor hadn't voted, but he had said he thought Rikae was innocent and I was guilty... look, one more vote needed to kill me and save Rikae!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Nerwen, I'd like to point out that my vote for you was just what I said it was, putting another option on the table just in case. I've been dead early recently, but I've followed the recent games, and I've seen people who were unhappy about lynching people, but voted them anyway because there wasn't enough time to get enough votes on someone else; i.e. another option. That's all.

[Nerwen]

Hi Shasta– and belated happy birthday (I was too caught up in things yesterDay– sorry).

Nerwen, I'd like to point out that my vote for you was just what I said it was, putting another option on the table just in case. I've been dead early recently, but I've followed the recent games, and I've seen people who were unhappy about lynching people, but voted them anyway because there wasn't enough time to get enough votes on someone else; i.e. another option.

I know, Shasta, but yesterDay was not a good time to do that. The wolves were way ahead of us, and the overall numbers so small that every vote counted.

However... your explanation sounds pretty sincere (I'm assuming, then, that you haven't been paying much attention at all to the game?)

If you're telling the truth, then this is what I think happened:

The wolves were all set to sacrifice Rikae. Then Gwathagor (who merits further scrutiny) said he thought her innocent and me guilty, you, Shasta voted me, and Sallywolf saw a chance to rescue her comrade. (Note that she's using the same strange logic as you.)

Edit: And I just got made a Ghost Prince of Cardolan!

[satansaloser2005]

Gwathagor has the excuse of being inexperienced. You haven't. I think you're a wolf.

Now that's just not very nice. I still think you are only attacking me because I've found your furry little secret. Seriously, you've tried to put up a good cover, but it's not working. You and Rikae's exchanges, even your votes on each other yesterday, are a clever disguise but I can still see your fur despite your garments. If one of you is going down, she's going to try to be as distant from her fellows as possible. And you know it's true. So I counter, little one. I still hold that you are the wolf of us.

Come on people, use simple logic. Rikae was an obvious wolf. With her gone, yes, our numbers are better, and I understand that, so I was fine with either Rikae or Nerwen dying yesterday, because it would be so stinking simple to kill her toDay. She was an obvious wolf, and I assumed everyone saw that. So why not try a questionable wolf? Obviously, there was the risk of killing an ordo, but Nerwen's been looking pretty furry, so I thought it was worth the risk in this case, this one case. Rikae would have been easily killed today, at least in my opinion, as she was a blatantly obvious wolf. And I personally wanted to be able to see what could be made of Nerwen's reactions with others in the game. I believe it could help us find the other wolf, or wolves on the off-chance that she is not a wolf herself. Hence while my vote may seem stupid as Nerwen strongly implies, it was actually pretty well considered. And irrelevant now, as Rikae is dead (not that I'm complaining of course :)) and we still have little else to go on. So I'm off to read posts and see what I can get....


People, where are you? Obviously it's late night/early morning for a lot of you, but I expected more people to post while I was gone. But it's mainly been Nerwen, with some shots of Shasta and Cabbie. I want to hear from the rest of you all before I vote. Please.

[Nerwen]

Oh, Sally, what big teeth you have...

Now that's just not very nice. I still think you are only attacking me because I've found your furry little secret. Seriously, you've tried to put up a good cover, but it's not working. You and Rikae's exchanges, even your votes on each other yesterday, are a clever disguise but I can still see your fur despite your garments. If one of you is going down, she's going to try to be as distant from her fellows as possible.

You see fur, Sally? It isn't mine. I think you must have brought a mirror into this barrow with you.

Come on people, use simple logic. Rikae was an obvious wolf. With her gone, yes, our numbers are better, and I understand that, so I was fine with either Rikae or Nerwen dying yesterday, because it would be so stinking simple to kill her toDay. She was an obvious wolf, and I assumed everyone saw that. So why not try a questionable wolf? Obviously, there was the risk of killing an ordo, but Nerwen's been looking pretty furry, so I thought it was worth the risk in this case, this one case.

If that's your idea of simple logic, I'd hate to see what you think complicated is.

Allow me to quote myself:

If we had lynched another ordo, today there would three wolves to four innocents. All it would take is one of them to fall for Rikae's "Voice of Saruman" act or her crocodile tears or whatever method she chose to employ.


If you were sure Rikae was a wolf, you had no excuse not to vote her. At that stage she was already talking people around– she could have done it toDay.

Furthermore, my alleged furriness is apparently based on the idea that Rikae and I were faking it throughout the game (no, not just yesterDay, Sally, even though you're implying that I only attacked her when she was alreadly headed for the gallows).

So what if we weren't?

If you were innocent you would be giving careful thought to this. Why aren't you?

For my part, I'm so afraid of lynching the wrong person that I'm questioning myself about you even now, wondering if there's some way you could be an ordo and still act like this.

Edit: fixed bolding.

[satansaloser2005]

Yes, I do have big teeth. The braces I wore in high school did nothing to help the size of my poor chompers.

Maybe I decided there should be a cobbler in this game. ;) No, totally kidding. Just couldn't resist the joke.

Or maybe I'm just too smart for my own good. I still find you furry beyond furry, but I've got more than one fish to fry. I can't let myself forget that there's another wolfie hiding out there, and I need some sleep so I can find him or her.


So pretty much this post is just to say....I'm going to bed. I couldn't concentrate earlier so I got basically nothing done, but with any luck at all I'll be up early in the morning to see what you lovelies have come up with. :)

[McCaber]

This is just going back and forth in circles.

I still believe that at least one wolf can be found among Sally and Nerwen. Nerwen looks furrier by a small bit, but Sally is still my second choice.

Gwathagor looks rather bad right now, and Shasta to a lesser extent. Something about them just doesn't ring true.

Where is Nogrod? I expect some insights from him soon.

[satansaloser2005]

Thank you for posting! (hug for Cabbie!) Sorry, I've been a little desperate today. Desperately bored that is. Maybe Cabbie'll give me something to chew on.

Oh, and about Shasta? I may be reading into it too much, but I still think Menel's sudden reduction in suspicion of him indicates a dream. Or am I semi-alone in this theory? If so, does anyone else have an explanation for it?

As for Gwath, I find him pretty furry as well, as I've mentioned. I still dislike the way he's suddenly become co-dependent upon Legate and others. Not that I should talk, as I've been of little to no use for most of the game, but it bothers me nonetheless.

Okay, I lied. I'll wait like ten more minutes for posts, because I think Cabbie'll come up with quite a nice one. THEN I'm going to bed. Curse my addiction to the game. :P

[McCaber]

Sally, if you insist, I shall speak.

About Shasta: either he was the target of a dream, which I do not see much evidence for, or Menel simply did not see him as big a target as the wolf he knew. So I believe that we have to judge on the content of the posts. His explanation of the vote has already been analysed, and I just want to say I find it lacking.

Interestingly, Legate is one whom I have not looked at yet in depth. Bad form on my part. He has given me nothing to suspect outright, but is that in itself suspicious?

Gwath admits he looks suspicious, but is he just trying to divert attention by bringing it up himself? I do really want to hear more about his reasoning.

And I suggest either Nerwen or Sally for lynching. I am convinced that a wolf lies behind one of them.

[Nerwen]

And while we're at it, somebody needs to have a good look at McCaber. :)

[Gwathagor]

As for Gwath, I find him pretty furry as well, as I've mentioned. I still dislike the way he's suddenly become co-dependent upon Legate and others. Not that I should talk, as I've been of little to no use for most of the game, but it bothers me nonetheless.

Co-dependent? I ask people questions so that I can size them up based on their answers. If anything, I should listen to other people MORE often. For example: if I had listened to Nogrod yesterDay (rather than sticking by my "own" suspicions), I wouldn't look like a huge n00b toDay. Blah.

Does anyone else have problems with me? If you are going to make a comment about how I have lost all my credibility and look very suspicious...then I agree. :(

[Gwathagor]

Ok...well, because I just got back from a Flogging Molly concert, and am decidedly NOT going to be awake within the next 7 hours, I shall vote now. (No, I'm not drunk. But I did get Nathan Maxwell to sign my Guinness shirt.)

And I vote to execute.....

++Sally

Because at least ONE of the Nerwen voters from yesterDay has to be a wolf.

[Gwathagor]

NOOB ALERT: And remember, I don't have a clue what I'm talking about, so feel free to scorn my vote and treat it like rubbish.

[Nerwen]

So, I said I'd look for alternative explanations to Sally being a wolf:

1. She's delirious.

2. She's bored and has decided to turn cobbler (I really did think of that even before she suggested it herself).

3. She's fallen in love with her own hunches and thinks she's infallible. (She may suspect me, but how can she really find me "furry beyond furry"?)

It's always hard to know what to think about Sally– she's just so damn weird. But apart from everything else, well, maybe I'm biased, but her posts toDay are making my hair stand on end.

Edit: X'd with Gwathagor.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, and about Shasta? I may be reading into it too much, but I still think Menel's sudden reduction in suspicion of him indicates a dream. Or am I semi-alone in this theory? If so, does anyone else have an explanation for it?
I said already yesterDay that I think so. On the other hand, Nogrod proposed other theory, and it does not seem totally impossible either. Cf. also below.

Gwath admits he looks suspicious, but is he just trying to divert attention by bringing it up himself? I do really want to hear more about his reasoning.
Well, yes - I must say Gwath's behavior can be called "overall pre-emptive", and lately I started to think whether he was not staging up things as they suit him and therefore avoid suspicion. However, my opinion earlier was that it's just his behavior and I don't want to come with groundbreaking new suspicions when the numbers are so low, as it was pointed out here, and I have stronger suspicions on other people.

Sally, you cannot be serious. The village was in desperate straits last Night.

If we had lynched another ordo, today there would three wolves to four innocents. All it would take is one of them to fall for Rikae's "Voice of Saruman" act or her crocodile tears or whatever method she chose to employ.

We simply could not afford to pass up a near-certainty like Rikae.
That's what I thought. Apparently, she was able to talk at least one person that Menel did not dream of her, and as you see, even this almost saved her. If Nerwen is innocent, then as she said, toDay could have easily been out last Day.

Nerwen, I'd like to point out that my vote for you was just what I said it was, putting another option on the table just in case. I've been dead early recently, but I've followed the recent games, and I've seen people who were unhappy about lynching people, but voted them anyway because there wasn't enough time to get enough votes on someone else; i.e. another option. That's all.
Well, that sounds rather genuine. Combined with the thing that Menel might have dreamt of Shasta, I am inclined to look better at him.

Come on people, use simple logic. Rikae was an obvious wolf. With her gone, yes, our numbers are better, and I understand that, so I was fine with either Rikae or Nerwen dying yesterday, because it would be so stinking simple to kill her toDay. She was an obvious wolf, and I assumed everyone saw that. So why not try a questionable wolf? Obviously, there was the risk of killing an ordo, but Nerwen's been looking pretty furry, so I thought it was worth the risk in this case, this one case. Rikae would have been easily killed today, at least in my opinion, as she was a blatantly obvious wolf. And I personally wanted to be able to see what could be made of Nerwen's reactions with others in the game. I believe it could help us find the other wolf, or wolves on the off-chance that she is not a wolf herself. Hence while my vote may seem stupid as Nerwen strongly implies, it was actually pretty well considered.
This, on the other hand, I still don't like and not even know whether I should believe it. I think it's more likely that Sally is simply the Wolf, for reasons stated above, and that yesterDay was an attempt to save a wolf proven by Seer's dream - and it even almost worked.

All right - well, a little quieter around here, but not that bad. I'll be around. As I said, I am most likely to vote Sally toDay, but plenty time still.

And btw, where is Nogrod?

edit: x-ed with some Gwaths and Nerwen

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm nearly convinced that one of Nerwen and Sally is a wolf, and I believe the second wolf may be found in Gwath or McCaber. Unfortunately we can't be wrong twice, or we lose.

++ Nerwen to even the playing field; I do apologize for my seeming inattentiveness, but be sure I'm reading everything even if I'm not posting about it. Our show opens... *checks his watch* today, so I'm sort of stressed.

Thanks for the birthday wishes guys. :)

[McCaber]

All right, I really need sleep, so my vote will happen now.

++Nerwen

I've voiced my suspicions, and I believe she looks the worst right now.

(Gwath, nice move on seeing Flogging Molly. They rock.)

[Nerwen]

I repeat what I said: someone look at McCaber. It had better not be me, because of possible bias.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, I will do that. Seems no one's here around anyway.

McCaber
On Day 1, he almost did not appear and did not vote, which he apologized for the next Day. He said he suspected Sally on the first Day, but says he re-thinks his suspicion of her. He also repeatedly mentioned Mac and LG. From Day 2 on, he suspected Nerwen. His vote came too late, together with Mac's. I don't think there could have been anything orchestrated on it - the only possibility of some intention behind the vote would be he and Nerwen would be wolves together, which I really don't think they are (or if they were, then they are doing a very good job).
On Day 3, after Menel's death, he raised suspicion over those Menel spoke about, namely Rikae and Sally. Voted Rikae. ToDay, he continues suspecting Nerwen; says there is at least one Wolf among her or Sally.

Well, overall I don't actually see anything particularly suspicious on him. Of course, he could be a safe-playing wolf. But the way he voted Rikae yesterDay was very close, had he not done so, Nerwen would have been lynched - and he was the last before LG to vote. Given the fact that he suspected Nerwen all the time, it would be quite illogical, I think, for a Wolf to act as he did, as he could have saved Rikae in an unsuspicious way. Thus, I think him rather innocent. Or, there is this master plot of him and Nerwen - which I really don't believe in.

[A Little Green]

Noggie-Woggie is on a cruise so he is probably not able to participate toDay. The ship is back in town at 3.20 PM our time, meaning 1.20 PM GMT, so he may be back before DL or maybe not.

[Nerwen]

A voice from the tomb!:eek:

...Wait a moment. We're already in a tomb.:confused:

[Nerwen]

Anyway. I have vague suspicions about... everyone, actually (I'll discuss these if there's time). But Sally is the one who stands out. Sure, there's always a chance that she's a deluded ordo, and that the real wolves are laughing their furry heads off– but I think it's a chance worth taking.

++Sally.

[Nogrod]

Okay. I'm home... and have no idea about the situation. I try to scroll this Day through fast.

[Nogrod]

Sally 2
Nerwen 2

Three votes to go.

Right?

Of those two I would vote Sally because:
1. How Rikae avoided lynching her to "save" Mac in a tight spot.
2. How she tried to save Rikae with her "tactical-move" yesterDay.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good ol' Nogrod is back!

Well, in any case, my vote is going to Sally toDay. And since I don't expect Sally to vote for herself, it's probably up to you, Nog. Well, I may as well vote now.

++Sally

So, let's hope we make it right.

edit: x-ed with Nog

[Nogrod]

And I'm not sure where this all talk about Nerwen as a wolf has come from - if not from Rikae who clearly was after her. Yes they could fake it but it would have been pretty dangerous game and given what little evidence we have lynching Nerwen would be a lot more a shot in the dark than lynching Sally about whom we can actually say there are things that fit her being a wolf.

EDIT: x'd with Legate

[Nogrod]

Let's do it then.

++ Sally

[Nogrod]

Gah, this was a maddeningly short Day indeed for me. :(

But if we get a wolf toDay things are looking good.

[Nerwen]

Nogrod!

Very glad to see you back.

And this thing about me being a wolf– yes, it comes from Rikae– but the variation that's now popular is that Rikae and I "must have been" faking our attacks on each other. And guess who has been really pushing that one? Sally.

I think McCaber first came up with it, though. I don't know if it means they're in it together, or just that he happened to come up with it and she seized on it.

I still don't understand why so many people fell for it.

Okay, well, let's hope we were right. The fact that Sally's such a weirdo anyway gives me pause.

I don't know... maybe it all seems logical to her.:confused:

[Roa_Aoife]

Sally and her duck Emily had entered this game on a whim, really. They had thought it would be fun. Well, it had certainly been interesting, until today. Oh, things had started slowly enough. The apparent work of wolf slaying had exhausted everyone, and there were very few early risers. At first, the voices of suspicion were quiet, and a little groggy, but it quickly became a bit loud.

"Nerwen's a wolf!" a few shouted.

"No, I'm not! Sally is!" countered Nerwen.

"A thoroughly convincing argument, let's get her!"

"WHAT?" cried Sally, "That's impossible!" But the crowed did not listen. They advanced on poor Sally and Emily as the two backed into a corner. Gwathagor, too impatient to wait on a beating this time, decided to hurl his Battle Ax of Cold Northern Wind and neatly slice her. Before the Ax could strike, however, Emily bravely leaped in the path, and as we all know ducks are extremely dense, so the blade stopped embedded in her chest.

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" cried Sally, and ran to her poor duck's side. "Emily, oh Emily, why? WHY?" It was such a moving performance that everyone began to sob. Sally glared at everyone, picked up Emily and stalked out of the Barrow to the nearest Animal Hospital, which was surprisingly close. Since ducks are also extremely hardy, Emily made a full recovery. Sally did not leave her side, and so was gone from the game.

The Living:
Legate
Nogrod
McCaber
Gwathagor
Nerwen
Shasta


The Dead:
Roa: Eaten by werewolves, or otherwise gone missing
Farael: Killed by a convenient plot-twist
Aganzir: Squished into non-existance inside a d2
Loomy: May not be dead, but she's sure too far from the game to be of much help
Macalaure: Lynched old-fashion way
Meneltarmacil: Lost to the whims of the GM
Rikae: WOLF dead because of her cunning plan of world-domination (or at the very least, adventurer-snacking)
A Little Green: Dyed... the walls a lovely pink.
Sally: Left to nurse her heroic duck back to life.

The Tally
2 wolves

[satansaloser2005]

I know, I'm being a naughty posting after the deadline, but I'm dead, so oh well. :P

Just wanted to apologize for not showing up to vote or anything this morning. I forgot to turn on my alarm clock, so I just woke up. Silly narcoleptic Sally....


Best of luck to those of you left alive! Happy werewolfing! :)



~~Sally~~


p.s. you little nasties! how dare you attack a poor defenseless duck! :p

[Roa_Aoife]

Long after the others had gone to bed, Nogrod sat awake in the darkness, thinking. He absentmindedly stroked the considerable whiskers that were already growing again. The events of the past few days were troubling to be sure, and though one wolf had been caught two others lived and would surely kill again this night. How the others slept was truly beyond him. Nogrod's thoughts were broken, however, when another sleeper stirred and sat up.

"Can't sleep?" queried the newly awoken player, and Nogrod nodded.

"Me neither," said a another voice.

The two stood, started to walk away, and then motioned Nogrod to follow.

Somehow, they came to be outside. The turned to Nogrod with very serious expressions.

"We have a deal for you, Nogrod. we want you to become one of us, and replace our sister, Rikae. What do you say?"

Nogrod thought for a moment. He was half-werewolf already- why not? He nodded. As he did, he felt himself change. His fully human half melted away, and a new third werewolf stood before them.

"Good," started one of the others,"Now we have enough to take the remaining villa-"

"Hold it right there!" cried a familiar but almost forgooten voice. They all turned to see Roa standing only a few feet away. Nogrod groaned rather audibly. "Ha!" the newly returned Roa cried, "You're a werewolf and I finally caught you at it, Nogrod! It's about time!" As she said this she brought forth a dead white staff. Nogrod recognized it instantly.

"Is that what I think it is?" he asked cautiously.

"Yup, it is. I am the Evil Wizard, and you are now one of MY wolves, so come along. We have another village to take over."

"Fine," Nogrod said, "But this time, let me live a bit longer, eh?"

"Alright, alright," Roa agreed, and the two were off.


The Living:
Legate
McCaber
Gwathagor
Nerwen
Shasta


The Dead:
Roa: Eaten by werewolves, or otherwise gone missing
Farael: Killed by a convenient plot-twist
Aganzir: Squished into non-existance inside a d2
Loomy: May not be dead, but she's sure too far from the game to be of much help
Macalaure: Lynched old-fashion way
Meneltarmacil: Lost to the whims of the GM
Rikae: WOLF dead because of her cunning plan of world-domination (or at the very least, adventurer-snacking)
A Little Green: Dyed... the walls a lovely pink.
Sally: Left to nurse her heroic duck back to life.
Nogrod: Turned full wolf and taken away by the Evil Wizard Roa.

The Tally
2 wolves

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, my. I must say I am quite trembling right now. And I must also say I don't have any particularly clear ideas now. I was quite convinced about Sally.

There are two Wolves around here still. But who now? I really find it hard to believe Nerwen is one, even though Sally seemed so convinced about her. But then, who else? If you are, Nerwen, then you deserve an applause, in any case. The death of Rikae in such a case, as a well-orchestrated bluff, and everything... But Nogrod was killed, and he spoke yesterDay about Nerwen positively. Would it make sense for her to kill him? I don't think so, unless it was a double-bluff counting with that we are not going to suspect her after Nogrod died. The trouble is, if she is a wolf, all the things between her and Rikae were a bluff, so such a behavior would go with the overall scheme. So, all in all, I think such reasoning is not proving anything much either way.

After I looked at McCaber yesterDay, I said I don't think it's probable that he'd be a Wolf - unless he and Nerwen are. Now what I am to think? If McCaber was lurking in the shadows all the time, well, why not. Shasta is the one I have probably the best feeling about. And then there is Gwathagor... well, it was spoken about the matter many times before: his "pre-emptiveness" and other things. If the wolves are Nerwen and Gwathagor, then they did really well in avoiding the lynch this far. Or, other possibility is that Gwathagor is a wolf and someone else with him...
There is also the question of the voting on Day 3. Unless both wolves voted for Rikae, at least one of them is Gwathagor or Shasta.

In any case, we should take care toDay with the voting, and this is no time for experiments. Also we should not vote hastily or jump at someone's bandwagon, as the wolves may place up a vote and hope to catch us upon that.

Most probably, I would vote for Nerwen or Gwathagor. I spoke about my reluctance to vote Nerwen earlier. I would like to hear other opinions first, and let's hope we reach a conclusion and get a wolf. If possible, all innocents should vote together toDay. So, I am waiting for your input, people. I am probably going to try to re-read some older posts still if I don't stumble upon anything.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I really don't know... we have to get a wolf today, or we lose. I suppose it's a 40% chance, with five people alive.

Especially with Sally being innocent, I'm really looking at Nerwen right now, but everyone seems more suspicious than they did yesterday. Is Gwathagor really as newbish as he seems? McCaber isn't always around, is he a wolf-in-shadows? Could Legate be eviler than he appears?

I don't know...

[Gwathagor]

Legate, while he voted against Nerwen the day before, was very quick to turn against Rikae after Menel was killed - perhaps he is the wolf who hid amongst the Rikae-voters? As Legate points out in his last post, it's likely one of the Rikae-voters is a wolf. Is it possible that both wolves who remain voted against Rikae?

Nerwen might be innocent given her opposition to Rikae and this statement in post #101: "Tip: you also want to watch out for people whose interactions seem "staged", if you know what I mean. Wolves quite often claim to suspect one another." If she's a wolf, then she's practically accusing herself. The only thing I've got against her is that Rikae voted against her in post #261, and Rikae is tricky.

McCaber...I don't have anything concrete, I feel like he's honest. :confused: McCaber, you mentioned a potential Rikae-Nerwen conspiracy back in post #343, and the idea has been brought up a couple of other times. Do you have any more thoughts on the possibility?

Now Shasta, if a wolf, would be the proverbial wolf-in-the-shadows, suspicious primarily because of his lack of strong opinion one way or the other, which looks like an attempt to stay on everyone's good side. There's also LG's post #339, which points out the most suspicious thing Shastanis has done thus far, that is, voting for Nerwen while professing to suspect Rikae. Of course, you wouldn't expect ALL the wolves to vote for Rikae. He has said some stuff that sounds innocent, but Nogrod, too, suspected him (post #344) based on his Nerwen vote.

Based on all that and a great deal of instinct (human instinct!), I suspect Legate and Shasta of being the two remaining wolves. Nerwen and McCaber are innocent.

[Gwathagor]

There is one other thing I am curious about, in addition to the possibility of a Nerwen-Rikae plot, and that is the idea that Menel may have dreamed about Shasta. Does anybody find this likely? It's been mentioned a couple times, and I'm just wondering where it came from and if it has any credibility. As Shasta pointed out, we'd better get a wolf today or it's taps for the good guys.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good to see someone posting. Well, I did not have much time, and not that I would stumble upon much that would help me. I at least looked at the voting records and when I wrote them next to each other in Excel, I really fully realised how it looks like when we have two Day 3 Nerwen-voters among us. It indeed looks improbable that there won't be at least one Wolf among them, and as I said, I am more inclined to think that it is Gwathagor than Shasta (when of course, they may be both still).

However, there's another thing I thought about, and that is if Gwath is a Wolf and Nerwen is as well, what sense it would have for Gwath to vote Nerwen on Day 3. He won't vote Rikae, and therefore seem suspicious (well, if she was lynched; but if he voted her, she most probably will), but even voting Nerwen would be voting for a fellow Wolf - thus, no gain either. The only explanation could be that he used this opportunity to safely vote for a fellow wolf. Well, which is also possible, eventually.

I will go to sleep soon, so hope that everyone will show up meanwhile, and I hope to sort my thoughts also. I would prefer to vote then, as a last-minute voting fray at DL is the last thing we need under these circumstances.

Legate, while he voted against Nerwen the day before, was very quick to turn against Rikae after Menel was killed - perhaps he is the wolf who hid amongst the Rikae-voters? As Legate points out in his last post, it's likely one of the Rikae-voters is a wolf. Is it possible that both wolves who remain voted against Rikae?
Gwath, a correction - I never voted Nerwen! And I also didn't say that there is likely at least one wolf among Rikae-voters, but I said there is probably at least one wolf among the people who voted Nerwen.

There is one other thing I am curious about, in addition to the possibility of a Nerwen-Rikae plot, and that is the idea that Menel may have dreamed about Shasta. Does anybody find this likely? It's been mentioned a couple times, and I'm just wondering where it came from and if it has any credibility.
At least I said that I find it likely, and I believe someone else did as well (Sally? I don't know) and it was based on the conclusion that Menel suspected Shasta on Day 1 and he did not mention him later. Nogrod proposed the other thing, that Menel dreamt of him. I think both are equally possible, and in any case, we know Nogrod was innocent now.

[McCaber]

Ordinarily, this is where I'd rail against Nerwen and say something about burning the heretic, but even I'm beginning to have some doubts.

I still suspect Nerwen, but the circumstances make me think thrice before I do anything serious.

Gwath plays very well in parts, but at other times he makes elementary mistakes. I'm inclined to think he's just newbish, but he's been newbish at the most inappropriate times.

Shasta, even more than myself, has been the quiet one. He's been there when it matters, but he has not contributed enough. (heh, like I'm the one to be saying that. It's still true, though.)

After a close look at Legate on the last Night, I think that he has had his suspicious moments, but the man looks honest enough to me.

[Gwathagor]

Gwath, a correction - I never voted Nerwen! And I also didn't say that there is likely at least one wolf among Rikae-voters, but I said there is probably at least one wolf among the people who voted Nerwen.

Oh. Sorry. I understood this part: "Unless both wolves voted for Rikae, at least one of them is Gwathagor or Shasta" to mean that you thought that at least one of the Rikae-voters is a wolf. Anyway, if you find it likely that ONE of the wolves voted for Nerwen, then it's logical that ONE voted for Rikae as well.

And it seems I just imagined your vote for Nerwen. I guess I'm getting ahead of myself here...attribute it to my Irish rashness.:cool:

[Gwathagor]

At least I said that I find it likely, and I believe someone else did as well (Sally? I don't know) and it was based on the conclusion that Menel suspected Shasta on Day 1 and he did not mention him later.

Example of Legate trying to innocuously establish his fellow wolf's innocence? The Seer is as incontrovertible as they come...though Legate does point out that Menel may have dreamt of Nogrod as well. Of course, it would look funny if he was too single-minded in his assertion of Shasta's innocence...

[Gwathagor]

Triple post.

Legate, could you post the voting records together in one post so we could all compare them?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, seems at least all but one of us have posted - good. I would really like to see Nerwen post, but who knows what time it is at her.

Oh. Sorry. I understood this part: "Unless both wolves voted for Rikae, at least one of them is Gwathagor or Shasta" to mean that you thought that at least one of the Rikae-voters is a wolf. Anyway, if you find it likely that ONE of the wolves voted for Nerwen, then it's logical that ONE voted for Rikae as well.
By saying "at least" meant at least one, maybe two (though I think rather just one). Cf. my post above.

Legate, could you post the voting records together in one post so we could all compare them?
Yup, of course - here:

McCaber
Day 1 no vote
Day 2 Nerwen (after DL)
Day 3 Rikae
Day 4 Nerwen

Nerwen
Day 1 no vote
Day 2 Mac
Day 3 Rikae
Day 4 Sally

Shasta
Day 1 Menel
Day 2 no vote? I was running around the thread for about 10 minutes and not been able to find it.
Day 3 Nerwen
Day 4 Nerwen

Gwathagor
Day 1 Aganzir
Day 2 Sally
Day 3 Nerwen
Day 4 Sally

Legate
Day 1 Sally
Day 2 Mac
Day 3 Rikae
Day 4 Sally

Anyway - I am going to sleep now. Even after reading toDay, I am most leaning towards Gwath or Nerwen (I want to see her post in any case). McCaber and Shasta will be very "random" from my point of view. But I hope that at least one of the two I named first it is. Of course we have to pick just one, and that's the real trick. Well, goodbye for now. See you in some 9 or so hours.

[Gwathagor]

"I'm nearly convinced that one of Nerwen and Sally is a wolf, and I believe the second wolf may be found in Gwath or McCaber. Unfortunately we can't be wrong twice, or we lose."

Based on this comment by Shasta in post #384, I would say that if Shasta is a wolf, that Nerwen could not also be a wolf, and vice-versa.


"Anyway - I am going to sleep now. Even after reading toDay, I am most leaning towards Gwath or Nerwen (I want to see her post in any case). McCaber and Shasta will be very "random" from my point of view. But I hope that at least one of the two I named first it is."

And, based on this comment by Legate in his last post, I would suggest that Legate and Nerwen cannot BOTH be wolves.

In both cases, I believe we are too close to The End for wolves to try to kill each other. So, process of elimination leaves some combination of McCaber, Shasta, and Legate. I've already mentioned that I am as convinced of McCaber's innocence as I have been of anybody's, which leaves Shasta and Legate (or a very clever McCaber).

[Gwathagor]

Wait, I forgot Nerwen. She might be a cunning wolf like Rikae, but I don't have anything substantial to post about her yet. I'll come back when I do.

[Nerwen]

Hello, everyone.

First off, I'd liked to say that I am totally confounded by Sally's behaviour. It wasn't just the circumstances around her– to me, the tone of her posts yesterday sounded incredibly wolfish. I was afraid of this happening, though– just because she's Sally, and you never know where you are with her.

So, here we go. Two of you are wolves. Which?

[Nerwen]

Note: if I am forced to vote to save myself, I will do so, because I am the one person I know is innocent. But I'd much prefer my vote to go to my top suspect... not that I've worked out who that is, yet.

[Gwathagor]

Ha ha. Today is going to be so hard. 2 vs. 3!

[Nerwen]

Gwathagor: I keep flip-flopping on him. From some angles, he looks like an honestly confused newbie– from others, like a wolf-cub who has been coached to act that way.

Points against him:

1. Rikae's failure to vote him when she was in danger.
2. The general "pre-emptiveness" other people have noted about him.
3. The fact that he voted me rather than Rikae, when there was such a massive case against her.

What to make of things like his (apparent) confusion over the rules, or like his recent post (#403) where he misrepresents the way Legate voted? For the latter, I'm inclined to think that a wolf wouldn't risk being caught in such an obvious lie... but then it might all be part of the act.

All I can say is that if is he is a wolf, he's the apprentice of somebody very sneaky indeed.

[Nerwen]

McCaber: Has been practically invisible most of the game. Main contribution (thanks a lot) was to start the whole "Nerwen and Rikae are wolves together" thing.

I thought yesterDay that Sally was a wolf, making use of an ordo's suggestion– but now we know she was innocent, so maybe it was the other way round? I mean that McCaber "idly" threw out the idea, to see if anyone would fall for it– and Sally jumped right in.

Big thing against his being a wolf is that he voted to lynch Rikae. But there is this: after killing Menel, the wolves must have considered Rikae a goner. Doubtless one or both of the others were planning to lynch her next Day. Now, her brilliant self-defence may have made them both change their minds– but then again it may not.

So– if McCaber is a wolf, and he decided to let his comrade die– would he not have taken the opportunity to cast suspicion on someone else? From here, the way my aggressive wolf-hunting has been twisted into a mark of guilt looks diabolically cunning.

(Remember, despite what Sally claimed, I did not suddenly turn on Rikae when it was already clear she was going down.)

On the other hand– I expected a wolfish McCaber to start a hue-and-cry after me toDay, and he hasn't so far.

Edit: word left out.

[Nerwen]

Shasta: One of the non-Rikae voters on Day 3 surely has to be a wolf– and if it's not Gwath, it's Shasta.

As far as I'm concerned, one of the people who pushed the "Nerwen/Rikae" theory is very likely a wolf– and if it's not McCaber, it's Shasta.

Like McCaber, he hasn't posted much and his posts have mostly lacked substance.

However, there's always the possibility that Menel dreamed of him and found him innocent. But then, maybe he dreamed of Nogrod.

Edit: fixed bolding.

[Nerwen]

Legate of Amon Lanc:

Shadowy the first few Days; has recently become more vocal. Generally seems helpful and logical.

Found Gwath unsuspicious yesterDay and suspicious toDay, from his very first post– why?

Rikae's rather anaemic attacks on him– possible wolf-on-wolf?

There's also the apparently contradictory reasons he gave for why Mac had supposedly killed Lommy– I'm still waiting for the explanation.

On the face of it, Legate is the least wolfish of the four– but, even though the wolves have had more than their share of luck, I can't help fearing we may have an evil mastermind at work– and I could see Legate as fitting the bill.

That said, I wouldn't be too happy voting him on so little evidence.

[Gwathagor]

Shasta: One of the non-Rikae voters on Day 3 surely has to be a wolf– and if it's not Gwath, it's Shasta.

This makes a lot of sense, I think.

Post #403 was just a slip-up on my part...if I was a wolf trying to subvert the population, I would first of all get my facts straight. I'll go back and check on it, though, because I thought for sure that Legate voted for Nerwen.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Wait, I forgot Nerwen. She might be a cunning wolf like Rikae, but I don't have anything substantial to post about her yet. I'll come back when I do.

Sorry, but this just makes me raise an eyebrow. You 'forgot' Nerwen? After all the suspicion against her today?

[McCaber]

I will definitely agree with caution on this Day. If we make one wrong vote, the wolves will be able to force a win.

I've had an almost irrational hatred of Nerwen, but she hasn't given me much to suspect her in the last few days. I'm rethinking my position of her.

I think that if Shasta was a wolf he would have posted more often than he did. Just a thought, mind you, but he still hasn't given me enough to go on. I'm leaning more towards suspicious/innocent, but that's giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I do agree that Legate could be our evil mastermind, but if he is, he's playing a great game just because he's given me nothing to suspect.

Gwath looks the most suspicious to me, but at least half of that could be attributed to his newness. Every so often he makes a brilliant thought that changes my opinion, though. He could be the acolyte to Legate or Nerwen's master.

[Gwathagor]

Gwath looks the most suspicious to me, but at least half of that could be attributed to his newness. Every so often he makes a brilliant thought that changes my opinion, though. He could be the acolyte to Legate or Nerwen's master.

I guess I need to be more consistent.

And yes, Shasta, I forgot Nerwen. But only for a couple of minutes, after which I pointed out that I had forgotten her. If I was trying to be sneaky, that wouldn't be the way to do it.

As you say, McCaber, we need to be cautious and go with the safest vote. I still maintain that a Legate/Shasta pair is the most reasonable, and that Legate is the safest vote out of those two. I think was clear in my reasoning, but I can elaborate if anyone needs me to.

[Nerwen]

Please do, Gwath.:)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hmm. After this last post of Gwath's, I'm fairly confident that Nerwen and Gwath are our wolves, but I'm hesitant to vote...

[Gwathagor]

Ok, let's see if I can remember all this.

I think that Legate and Shasta are the guilty parties.

First, at least one of the Rikae voters has to be a wolf. In my opinion, Legate is more suspicious than Nerwen and McCaber, because of how little controversy he has caused or been involved in. I also do not trust Legate because he accuses everybody and nobody; his posts tend to be feel-good and safe. Post #401 is a good example. He mentions just about everyone, attaches a medium-sized portion of suspicion to those he mentions, and then proceeds to go with the flow when it comes time to vote.

Second, at least one of those who voted for Nerwen, rather than Rikae, is probably a wolf as well...which means that it must be Shasta. Shasta, like Legate, hasn't done much either to vindicate or condemn himself throughout this whole game. LG and Nogrod, in posts #339 and #344, respectively, identified Shasta's vote for Nerwen as wolfish, given his professed suspicion of Rikae.

Third, comments by Shasta (in post #384) and Legate (in his last post) in my opinion exclude the possibility that either both Legate and Nerwen or both Shasta and Nerwen could be wolves. McCaber is the other guy, and he seems more innocent than any of us, which leaves Nerwen with no possible compatriots (apart from myself, I know, I know), which means that Legate and Shasta must be wolves.

Fourth, Rikae, in post #177, listed players according to how suspicious she was of them. Neither Legate nor Shasta were listed under her Unwolfy category. They were also listed under separate categories. This is not hard evidence, but it would corroborate the idea that Shasta and Legate are Rikae's fellow wolves since Rikae would neither want to draw attention to them by listing both as Unwolfy, nor by listing them under the same category. Instead, she played it safe by making Legate Wolfyest (together with LG and Nerwen) and Shasta Wolfy. No one cares about the Wolfy category (it's too ordinary...everybody thinks everyone else is at least a little Wolfy) and there wasn't any substantial suspicion directed at Legate, so making him Wolfyest was also safe.

Fifth, in post #405 it looks like Legate is stretching the business of the Seer in an attempt to clear Shasta's name. This is a weaker point than some of my others, but it fits if I'm right on the other bits.

That's the best I can do for now. The trouble is, both Legate and Shasta have said very little of great substance during this game.

[Gwathagor]

Hmm. After this last post of Gwath's, I'm fairly confident that Nerwen and Gwath are our wolves, but I'm hesitant to vote...

Wait...if I am a wolf, and so is Nerwen, then how do you figure out our voting habits? Why would I, who really went after Rikae until her brilliant "breakdown" (still sore about that...), switch my vote and try to kill Nerwen, who, according to your scheme, is also a wolf? If I was trying to prevent Rikae's death, then I would vote for someone else who WASN'T a wolf. As it was, Nerwen nearly got hanged the day before and it was very close on Day 3 as well. I surely would have recognized that the anti-Nerwen sentiment hadn't gone away, and killing one wolf to save another doesn't make sense, especially since Rikae was in such dire straits; if I was trying to save her, then the only thing I have accomplished is making myself look wolfish by association. Had I been successful in trying to save Rikae, then Nerwen would have been hanged, and Rikae would have been hanged the next day. I'd be a stupid, lonely wolf.

[Gwathagor]

Laying cards on the table:

I am going to sleep now. When I wake up, I am either going to vote for Shasta or Legate. I don't care which, but one of them had better get three votes by the deadline.

Goodnight everybody.

[Nerwen]

Problem, Gwathagor:

Your fourth and fifth points are worth looking into, but this piece of reasoning

First, at least one of the Rikae voters has to be a wolf.

and this one

Second, at least one of those who voted for Nerwen, rather than Rikae, is probably a wolf as well...which means that it must be Shasta.

seem to be based purely on your knowledge of your own innocence. No ordo knows your role.

Third, comments by Shasta (in post #384) and Legate (in his last post) in my opinion exclude the possibility that either both Legate and Nerwen or both Shasta and Nerwen could be wolves.

Why?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, so that makes all of us posting here. As I said, I'd prefer to vote sooner, as I'm going to leave in about two hours and then be back only at the DL itself.

Nerwen's posts do not strike me as suspicious by themselves, but that's just the thing I thought about her most of the time. However, all the voting of Rikae's and other things... Gwath looks very active toDay, raising suspicions on people all around, which supports my suspicions of him. Right now I think him more wolfy than Nerwen (I should say "more apparently wolfy"), but Nerwen is likely to be one as well. The trouble is, as I said, that if one of them isn't, and we choose the wrong one... well. Not sure what to think of Gwath's "forgetting" Nerwen, also, because if they are together, would a Wolf really forget to write about his packmate? A slip? Or what is that?

Found Gwath unsuspicious yesterDay and suspicious toDay, from his very first post– why?
I was slightly suspecting him even yesterDay, on this "pre-emptiveness" of him, only I still suspected Sally yesterDay, so I let him go for the time. ToDay however, we have a Wolf or nothing, and also by elimination method, it's you or him. Or both, in the best case.

There's also the apparently contradictory reasons he gave for why Mac had supposedly killed Lommy– I'm still waiting for the explanation.
I already said it and more than once - a kill that does not leave many tracks, and yet it could help the Wolves. But that's past and Mac was innocent, why to bring that up?

[Gwathagor]

Problem, Gwathagor...seem to be based purely on your knowledge of your own innocence. No ordo knows your role.

Yes. That is true. It is the only concrete thing I have to go on. Not everyone is likely to accept it, but I'm hoping my consistent reasoning will maybe win people over.

Why?

Because both posts involve strong comments/suspicions/accusations by Legate and Shasta concerning you, which, were two of you (you and one of them) wolves, would be foolish to make at this late and unforgiving stage of the game. Far too dangerous.

[Gwathagor]

Gwath looks very active toDay, raising suspicions on people all around, which supports my suspicions of him.

Not so. I suspect you,(Legate) and Shasta.

Right now I think him more wolfy than Nerwen (I should say "more apparently wolfy"), but Nerwen is likely to be one as well. The trouble is, as I said, that if one of them isn't, and we choose the wrong one... well.

I've already explained, in post #427, why Nerwen and I can't both be wolves, in answer to Shasta's suggestion of that possibility.

NOW goodnight. Seriously.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I've already explained, in post #427, why Nerwen and I can't both be wolves, in answer to Shasta's suggestion of that possibility.

Well, if you look up I wrote about it as well - but I also said that technically, you may have voted for Nerwen back then so that you are not suspected in the future. Which is just what you are saying to us now. There is the thing you voted Sally yesterDay, and not Nerwen anymore. If you suspected her, why not vote her also the Day after? Instead, you joined the village "bandwagon" - and it may be that you avoided endangering a fellow Wolf then. Of course, it's only a theory. But remember that if we get a wolf toDay, there will be also one more toMorrow. We cannot rule out any possibility.

But the question at hand is toDay's lynch. I don't really think Shasta and McCaber are wolves together. At least one of Nerwen and Gwath is likely a wolf. If Nerwen is innocent, then Gwath as a Nerwen-voter most probably is one. Well, that's probably the best I can come up with. I think Gwath is the most probable... But we cannot afford mistakes; what do you others think?

[Nerwen]

I was slightly suspecting him even yesterDay, on this "pre-emptiveness" of him, only I still suspected Sally yesterDay, so I let him go for the time. ToDay however, we have a Wolf or nothing, and also by elimination method, it's you or him. Or both, in the best case.

Legate– I understand your position on Gwathagor– but if you are innocent, please rethink on Shasta and McCaber. They seem, if anything, more wolfish to me than he does. I don't see how you can say they’re eliminated.

Gwathagor, similarly– please remember that while Legate is clever enough to be a very dangerous wolf, there's little or no concrete evidence against him. He’s certainly not a “safe” vote, as you seem to think.

Edit: word left out.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate– I understand your position on Gwathagor– but if you are innocent, please rethink on Shasta and McCaber. They seem, if anything, more wolfish to me than he does. I don't see how you can say they’re eliminated.

Well, that's nice, but what am I supposed to do? Once again you sound almost genuine here, but on the other hand, if you two are wolves and I vote for someone else, then it's over.

Voting Shasta or McCaber, from my point of view, is really shooting in the dark. I said what I think about them. I said what I think about Gwath.

Look - I have to leave in a few minutes. If it goes well, I will have chance to appear around here in about two hours from now, which is still long enough before DL. I hope to think meanwhile and sort my thoughts out for final. Because then, I will be here only at the DL itself, or very short before it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hm, not much time anyway. I am here only to pop in (and I must say it's fun posting from the school library, I am not used to it), and say I will be here only very shortly before DL. I would like to vote now but as no one is around, and I'd prefer to consult it first... let's hope I make it in good time still. I voiced my opinions before, and nothing changed them. Well, see you then.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I think this is probably the latest I've voted, and still I vote first. I have to, though, I have class soon.

++Gwathagor

And let slip the dogs of war.

[Gwathagor]

Legate– I understand your position on Gwathagor– but if you are innocent, please rethink on Shasta and McCaber. They seem, if anything, more wolfish to me than he does. I don't see how you can say they’re eliminated.

An explanation for this irrational behavior would be that Legate is trying to protect Shasta.

Gwathagor, similarly– please remember that while Legate is clever enough to be a very dangerous wolf, there's little or no concrete evidence against him. He’s certainly not a “safe” vote, as you seem to think.

Perhaps. But like I said, whether we vote for Shasta or Legate makes no difference to me. If we get one today, and we find out that we were right, then we can get the other one tomorrow.

I realize that I am pushing the Legate/Shasta thing very hard.

[Nerwen]

And if we find out we were wrong, we are all dead. At least three of us are.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am here.

Well, I would like to hope that we are right this time. In any case, everything will be clear in the evening, unless all the remaning people vote for Gwathagor. I still think Nerwen is the other one. Now that Shasta voted, unless McCaber is... or unless Gwath is innocent, which I don't want to even think about.

All right. There is no other choice now anyway.

++Gwathagor

[Gwathagor]

And if we find out we were wrong, we are all dead. At least three of us are.

Yes.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. A little voting tally. Not that it would be needed.

Shasta => Gwathagor (Gwathagor 1)
Legate => Gwathagor (Gwathagor 2)

Left to vote: McCaber, Nerwen, Gwathagor

Oh, my.

[Gwathagor]

Well, if they weren't suspicious before, Shasta and Legate certainly have been today. I've taken the brunt of the accusation from them today and it has been, like the rest of their posts, generally without substance.


++Legate

EDIT: Crossed, ironically, with Legate

[Nerwen]

Oh God, this is tough... and we're running out of time.

One more vote for Gwathagor is a kill.

Let me think, let me think.

[Gwathagor]

What happens if someone doesn't vote and we get a tie?

[Gwathagor]

9:00! Just vote!

[Gwathagor]

Too late.

NOTE TO MODS: Pleas don't count votes that come before the official declaration of "Time Is Up" as late today! Please! Nerwen and McCaber are in a hard spot.

[Nerwen]

I can see so many reasons for and against all four of you, but here goes:

++McCaber.

Because to me he looks marginally worse than anyone else.

Edit: X'd with Gwathagor (thrice).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That will be a toss-coin. Don't even think about it.

Too late, obviously. It's past DL. Votes don't count. Now, Gwath, tell us honestly - what were you? Or should we wait for the narration?

And where is McCaber? He is going to become famous for his late-votes.

[Nerwen]

Sorry, my clock's slower than I thought.

So, are you a wolf, Gwath?

[Gwathagor]

He's faking it. He knows I'm innocent.

[Roa_Aoife]

Deadline. No more votes.

Gwathagor is Dead.

Wolf Victory!

I'm going to leave the final narration for Farael, since this is his game. I'm sure he has an idea of how he'd like to end it.

[Gwathagor]

I tried so hard.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm going to leave the final narration for Farael, since this is his game. I'm sure he has an idea of how he'd like to end it.
Well, it doesn't matter if we talk here a little bit, or should we not? There is no other thread to talk and I'm sure lots of us would like to discuss... of course, we may wait for the narration to learn how all the things really were... Do you have any idea when's Farael going to show up?

He's faking it. He knows I'm innocent.
Who? Me? Hey...

[Nerwen]

Sorry, Gwath.:(

[McCaber]

Sorry I'm late. If only my clocks worked once in a while, I could vote more often.

Legate, nicely played. Even now, I cannot believe that you are the evil wolf mastermind.

It probably doesn't matter, but I would have voted Gwath as well.

Nice game, everyone. Too bad to see it end like this.

[Rikae]

Well done, fellow wolfies.... :D
I was pretty sure we'd win when I got the pm telling me who my team was!
*high fives all around*

Gwath, amazing debut -- you really had me worried toward the end there that you would track down one of my comrades! I hope you'll become a WW regular.

Menel, now that you've told me when you dreamt of me, I know you caught me "fair and square" - hat's off to you! You were a formidable foe from the first day.

Macalaure, sorry about letting you be lynched and all, but, you know... all's fair in love and werewolf, etc. :Merisu:

By the way, watching everyone call me "brilliant" since my death has been very enjoyable. Keep the flattery coming... :p

More comments later -- I'm extremely busy at the moment, but I couldn't resist gloating a bit.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wonderful, wasn't it? Well, McCobbler, I must say in the last few minutes I thought I'm going to kill you if you don't show up. But nicely done, everyone. This was a great game and I hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I did - it was definitely thrilling. I haven't experienced a game in such a way since... since my very first game. Is it a pure coincidence that in my first game, I was also... ahem, okay. :D

MwahaHAHAHA!

And indeed, I must say with such brilliant packmates it was wonderful to work together, and the game was the more interesting. Great job, fellows. And thanks also to all the other players and to the Mods, for making this game happen! Great, just great!

[Nerwen]

You bastards of wolves.:mad:
*shakes fist*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You bastards of wolves.:mad:

We like you too :)

That's for the Lindórië thing ;)

[Nogrod]

Congrats to the wolves! Well played indeed!

I knew beforehand that I was going to be away on Day3 and thence tried my best before it - and purposefully didn't mention it so that the wolves would kill me the Night before so that someone who was actually able to play that Day could play. Sadly the wolves turned sporty just that Night and killed LG... :(

And their sportsmanship didn't last longer... :rolleyes:

But the fact that I was left alive that Night just made me quite sure Legate was the other remaining wolf. During my half an hour yesterDay I tried to read the thread, make a decision, think about the best exit to myself and whether to mention my suspicions in earnest. In the end I thought that if I do not mention Legate being suspicious to me he might let me live on this Day as well... Well, how wrong one can be?

Cool play Legate!

And Rikae was just phenomenal! Without Menel I would probably have bought her story! It really took some character to stick into the facts and ignore her wonderful act - and I can see it was hard to many innocents looking at the tallies that Day...

Outstanding play Rikae!

And McCaber really managed to hide in the shadows. I would have taken a closer look on him toDay had I been alive but I'm not sure if that would have helped...

So sad we lynched you Mac... but you must agree your posting in the beginning of Day2 was more than suspicious...

... and my daughters so brutally killed during the Nights... Oh, I will come back to you nassty werewolves the next time for it... :D

[McCaber]

Ahh yes, the WolForce truly was with us on this Day.

[satansaloser2005]

....dang it....



Can't really comment right now, as class is about to begin. You nasty little wolfsies earned your victory though. Legate, you evil fellow, you were EXCELLENT. You being a wolf didn't even occur to me until after I was dead, and even then I was questioning my suspicions. Extremely well done, and to you other wolves as well.

Back later to make some more comments.

[Rikae]

Nerwen, sorry about using you for a scapegoat... nothing personal, you know. :) I had to seize any opportunity I got (I set myself the goal on Day 3 to get as many innocents as possible to vote for someone else.)

It was loads of fun seeing everyone repeat "there must be a wolf among the Nerwen-voters"... *evil grin*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I knew beforehand that I was going to be away on Day3 and thence tried my best before it - and purposefully didn't mention it so that the wolves would kill me the Night before so that someone who was actually able to play that Day could play. Sadly the wolves turned sporty just that Night and killed LG...
Exactly - our original idea was to kill Nogrod that Night, of course, but then we decided not to do so. But on the other Night, we simply could not leave him alive anymore. You missed your train, Nogrod, in the expense of a boat, so to say. :)

And Rikae was just phenomenal! Without Menel I would probably have bought her story! It really took some character to stick into the facts and ignore her wonderful act - and I can see it was hard to many innocents looking at the tallies that Day...
Yes, Menel has done well - and btw I believe he dreamt of you on Night 1 and Rikae on Night 2, that Shasta-thing was a thing I made up: confusion sometimes is the greatest weapon.

... and my daughters so brutally killed during the Nights... Oh, I will come back to you nassty werewolves the next time for it...
Yes, I must say I wanted to apologize to you for wreaking such a heedless genocide upon your family... :D

Well, should we post some of our Nightly PMs? I'm not sure how much interesting it is, though... there was not much behind all the choices, and lots of what we did can be explained on the thread...

Ahh yes, the WolForce truly was with us on this Day.
Indeed :D

[Nerwen]

Seriously, you guys were magnificent, each in your own way.

And so were you, Gwath. That was a great first game.

If you want to know, I thought you were probably innocent, but I couldn't defend you properly with Shasta and Legate yelling that we must be wolves together.

And I thought McCaber was a wolf and that he'd be waiting around near the deadline as usual, so I was trying to hold my vote as late as possible– only I crossed with yours on Legate and I messed up the timing.

So, ultimately, this is all my fault.:(

In atonement, I offer myself up as the first course.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You nasty little wolfsies earned your victory though. Legate, you evil fellow, you were EXCELLENT. You being a wolf didn't even occur to me until after I was dead, and even then I was questioning my suspicions.
Thank you! :cool:

It was loads of fun seeing everyone repeat "there must be a wolf among the Nerwen-voters"... *evil grin*
Yes. That was one of my favourite lines in the whole game... :) (it was Nogrod who propagated the idea the most, I remember ;) )

And Gwath... I hope you are not much angry at us. And yes, I will say that openly here, you have done well for your first game. The end was very close. And as I said, a pity I wasn't innocent! I can assure you I wouldn't have gone after you in such a nasty way I did.

[Nerwen]

I hereby propose that Legate should change his name to

Legate of Dol Guldur.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen, sorry about using you for a scapegoat... nothing personal, you know. :) I had to seize any opportunity I got (I set myself the goal on Day 3 to get as many innocents as possible to vote for someone else.)

It was loads of fun seeing everyone repeat "there must be a wolf among the Nerwen-voters"... *evil grin*

I know... but it seemed logical, didn't it? I still can hardly believe you managed to sucker that many people.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And I thought McCaber was a wolf and that he'd be waiting around near the deadline as usual, so I was trying to hold my vote as late as possible
Well, he should have - had his clock been working properly... ;)

So, ultimately, this is all my fault.
Yes, it is :p

I hereby propose that Legate should change his name to

Legate of Dol Guldur.
Hey, sounds cool!

I know... but it seemed logical, didn't it? I still can hardly believe you managed to sucker that many people.
Yes, Rikae is just fantastic. She almost convinced even me :D

[Macalaure]

A lesson that every werewolf player learns early on is that just because somebody disagrees with you, it doesn't necessarily mean he's evil.

In this game, I bitterly learned that just because somebody agrees with you, it doesn't mean she's innocent. :rolleyes:


Kudos to Rikae for fooling me entirely and for fooling the majority of the innocents even when a seer dream stood against her. Quite remarkable.

Kudos to Legate and McCaber for securing the victory. If only I would have had more time on the day I got lynched, I would have made a case against you, Legate, and maybe, just maybe, things would have ended differently. Anyway, great showing.

Kudos to Menel for his day-one wolf spotting.

Kudos to Gwathagor for a great debut.I hope you'll become a WW regular.Seconded.

And sorry to Aganzir for urging my misled day-one suspicion successfully. :(

but you must agree your posting in the beginning of Day2 was more than suspicious... hmph... maybe... *mumbles something incomprehensible*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I feel stupid. :( Sorry, guys.

[Rikae]

"Originally Posted by Nogrod
but you must agree your posting in the beginning of Day2 was more than suspicious..."
hmph... maybe... *mumbles something incomprehensible*

No it wasn't! Nogrod only says that because he's a sneaky immortal super-wolf!

++Nogrod

[Nerwen]

Of course, Legate of Dol Guldur, even if there'd been time and I'd seen Gwath's vote on you, it would have been a hard decision– because I was more sure about McCaber, and if you were a wolf, too...

Why, then I'd have to accept that on Day 3 a bunch of innocents all decided to lynch me instead of a wolf who had been trussed up and handed to them by the Seer.

To quote Nogrod, when looking over the votes after Rikae was lynched:
Surely one wolf might have voted for Rikae as well but I can't believe there are two of them - or then this village is the most confused ever seen in the Barrow Downs.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Worst. Game. Ever. :(

I successfully voted for the Seer twice and at the end when it counted, I made Nerwen and Gwath out to be wolves when neither of them were.

I deserve to keep dying off day 1! :o

[Nerwen]

I successfully voted for the Seer twice and at the end when it counted, I made Nerwen and Gwath out to be wolves when neither of them were.

...With the result that both of us favoured you as a suspect!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Worst. Game. Ever. :(

I successfully voted for the Seer twice and at the end when it counted, I made Nerwen and Gwath out to be wolves when neither of them were.

I deserve to keep dying off day 1! :o

Hey, no way! It was great to play with you for so long - although I know if may sound a little twisted from me... But you enjoyed it, at least, didn't you?

And don't say you were too bad. Take it the other way, positively: say, rather, that we were too good ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Worst. Game. Ever. :(

I successfully voted for the Seer twice and at the end when it counted, I made Nerwen and Gwath out to be wolves when neither of them were.

I deserve to keep dying off day 1! :o



I disagree. Notice that I called two of the wolves at the start of the game, and then decided to completely forget about Cabbie and let Rikae live in an effort to kill little Nerwen over there. Although, I still hold that the whole exchange between the two of them looked staged. Then again it was, just not by who I thought. ;)

[Nerwen]

There's something odd here. I thought Gwath's vote and mine crossed, but now that I read the thread again, I see that I posted twice after he voted.:confused:

Must have been so anxious I didn't see it, somehow. Ah, well. It's been a comedy of errors all round.

Hi, Sally. Next time you find someone "furry beyond furry", maybe you'll reconsider, hmmn?

You realize the evil McCaber planted that idea about me in your head, don't you?

[Gwathagor]

Worst. Game. Ever. :(

I successfully voted for the Seer twice and at the end when it counted, I made Nerwen and Gwath out to be wolves when neither of them were.

I deserve to keep dying off day 1! :o

It's OK. I had you figured for a werewolf as well. I KNEW Legate was bad, but McCaber had me convinced he was innocent.

[Gwathagor]

Gwath, amazing debut -- you really had me worried toward the end there that you would track down one of my comrades! I hope you'll become a WW regular.

I HATE WEREWOLVES!!!

Thank you, though. :cool:

[McCaber]

Gwath, don't be so hard on yourself. If I were in your shoes, I have no idea what I would have done.

I did enjoy being hypocritical with Gwath and Shasta, though. That was fun.

[Gwathagor]

*Gwathagor continues to mutter and grind his teeth*

When's the next game? I want blood.

[satansaloser2005]

There's something odd here. I thought Gwath's vote and mine crossed, but now that I read the thread again, I see that I posted twice after he voted

Must have been so anxious I didn't see it, somehow. Ah, well. It's been a comedy of errors all round.

Hi, Sally. Next time you find someone "furry beyond furry", maybe you'll reconsider, hmmn?

You realize the evil McCaber planted that idea about me in your head, don't you?

No, actually I thought of it myself. I was just not in the right mind at the time. Seriously, apologies to all. I'm just not of the right brain (or any brain for that matter) while I'm sick, and once I made up my mind about stuff in my ill state it stuck that way. I thought Nerwen fuzzy all the way up to the deadline because it seriously looked like she was just holding her vote to let Gwath die.

And the same to you, Nerwen, the same to you. I have big teeth, do I? Double check next time you pick on someone's dental hygeine. ;)

Poor Gwath. Quite a terrible game to get your start on. I assure you, the next will go better. Especially if we're wolfies. ;)

Not to be rude, but how in the devil did anyone not see Rikae as a wolf? I thought it was obvious the entire game, even before Menel's demise, and that's why I wanted to get another wolfie out of the way. Then again....I suppose the wolfsies were the main "let's ignore her" conspirators. Right little nasties.:smokin:

[satansaloser2005]

*laughs herself into a tizzy*

Everyone look at Gwath's new location. *howls with laughter*

[Meneltarmacil]

Good choice you made in killing me on Night 3, Wolves. I was going to reveal myself on Day 3, bring down Rikae, whom I had dreamed of on Night Two, and reveal my other two dreams: Nogrod (Night 1) and Sally (Night 3).

Had I not been killed, Sally wouldn't have died and maybe we would have been able to catch the other wolves.

And I notice that Nogrod picked up on the fact I'd dreamed of him on Dy One. Very good thinking, and your way of influencing the villagers was why I dreamed of you first.

The wolves did an excellent job in this game. I really think Rikae's being spotted was sheer luck on my part.

[Rikae]

Then again....I suppose the wolfsies were the main "let's ignore her" conspirators. Right little nasties.:smokin:

Um, not really - Legate and McCaber pretty much went after me all day (curse them...)

My sympathy, though, for coming up with a logical plan and being lynched for it. If everyone could have been counted on to lynch me on day 4, another lynch on day 3 wouldn't have hurt you, indeed (well, lynching Nerwen wouldn't help, but still...) In the last game, remember, Nogrod killed me for coming up with a perfectly reasonable plan to catch either a Nog-or-Lommywolf. *shrug*

[satansaloser2005]

Um, not really - Legate and McCaber pretty much went after me all day (curse them...)

My sympathy, though, for coming up with a logical plan and being lynched for it. If everyone could have been counted on to lynch me on day 4, another lynch on day 3 wouldn't have hurt you, indeed (well, lynching Nerwen wouldn't help, but still...) In the last game, remember, Nogrod killed me for coming up with a perfectly reasonable plan to catch either a Nog-or-Lommywolf. *shrug*


True, true. Suffice to say I'm pretty dern mad at myself. No skills this entire game, no skills.

P.S. Rikae, you're the devil.:Merisu:

[Gwathagor]

Poor Gwath. Quite a terrible game to get your start on. I assure you, the next will go better. Especially if we're wolfies. ;)

I don't want to be a wolf! I want to kill them! All of them!

[satansaloser2005]

I don't want to be a wolf! I want to kill them! All of them!

*backs away* Psycho.... :p

[Aganzir]

I don't want to be a wolf! I want to kill them! All of them!
Wait until you've been one. ;)

Oh well, what can I say? I knew the game was going to end this way when I heard who the wolves were. Congratulations, you deserved your victory. Half the time I was siding with you, half the time cursing that you were too good to be caught.

When I died I was so certain that Mac was a wolf. :o And you can imagine my surprise when Lommy and I called Greenie after the end of the first day to ask who had died. Well, I guess it was better that I was lynched before I got to be of too much help for the wolves.

Thanks to Farael and Roa for the game. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Wait until you've been one. ;)

Indeed. It's SO much more fun than being an ordo. Although, I have yet to be a gifted on here. I'd quite like to be that next, just to see how I'd do. But no matter. *still fuming at the fuzzie wuzzies*



Oh, and Agan, I had the same train of thought. Then when Mac died I about lost it, knowing for certain that Rikae was a wolf and that Mac had gotten majorly....well, majorly ripped off, to put it politely. I felt so bad for the poor guy.:eek:

[Nerwen]

Once again, I feel really bad about messing up the timing... but maybe it wouldn't have altered the outcome. You wolves had it all tied up so well that even if we'd lynched Legate or McCaber, Shasta would have likely got it the next day anyhow.

[Gwathagor]

Unless Shasta had seen the light and also voted for Legate.

[Nerwen]

Unless Shasta had seen the light and also voted for Legate.

*shrugs* Well– he'd have had to change his mind about you and me being wolves together after one of us got eaten in the night. And maybe he'd have then concluded it was neither of us.

Trouble is, it looked like McCaber and Legate just couldn't both be wolves. I'd been getting an increasingly bad feeling about Legate of Dol Guldur, but I kept telling myself, "No, it has to be McCaber.":mad:

They must have been laughing their shaggy heads off at this:

On the face of it, Legate is the least wolfish of the four– but, even though the wolves have had more than their share of luck, I can't help fearing we may have an evil mastermind at work– and I could see Legate as fitting the bill.

I do agree that Legate could be our evil mastermind, but if he is, he's playing a great game

[Nogrod]

Indeed. It's SO much more fun than being an ordo. Although, I have yet to be a gifted on here.After quite a long train of games I have to say that playing ordo is one of the best things that can happen to you. Well, being a cobbler kind of outranks it but after that it's my favourite being an ordo.

I had no time last I was online to thank Nerwen for her great game or to apologise to Sally... Let it be done now,

And Gwath, that was just amazing first game! I do hope to see you in the next ones! You really have talent and with playing a game or two you'll pick on the different specialities we others may come up with...

An enjoyable game this was!

And once more kudos to the wolves...

[Gwathagor]

And Gwath, that was just amazing first game! I do hope to see you in the next ones! You really have talent and with playing a game or two you'll pick on the different specialities we others may come up with...

Thanks. I'll be practicing my hangman's knot. And making more silver bullets. :mad:

[Farael]

Well, that was interesting... wolves win it seems!

Now, there has been a little.... problem with the accomodations and my hotel has no Internet. I could write up a narrative right now, but I think it's better left until later when I actually have time to write something worth-while. I'll write a couple comments later, but right now I want to say

THANKS ROA

And good game to y'all (at least as far as I've read)

[McCaber]

You all may have your reckoning next time, but this Night belongs to the wolfpack.

Just thought I'd say that.

[Nerwen]

I'll say.

You know, there is a thread in the Books section about whether Morgoth or Sauron was the best villain.

I think it's clear now they're both just amateurs who should move aside for the real baddies.;)