Dueling Wizards Werewolf II discussion thread

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Would someone like to adopt me into their family? I really could never decide on a relationship...about all I can come up with at the moment is being someone's pet cat if you'll take that. If this has wizards, then I assume there are witches, who might be in need of a clever feline companion? :p

Durelin!!! :eek: Unbelievable to see you here! Fantastic! Now had I not joined in the game before, I would certainly do so now!
Speaking of adopting, I don't know about cats, but you could be a sheep from my herd, what do you say to that? A prominent sheep, of course. Or black, if you wish...

[Durelin]

Wow! Thanks, Legate! Glad I came back in time for this.

Ah yes, a sheep might be do-able. Or a ram rather. As long as I can "bah" at you and the phantom all I want. :p

Actually, how about a man who was turned into a ram? :D

[Nogrod]

Okay. The playerlist is now updated with ages and professions (post #3 of this thread). Please tell me if I have got something wrong. It's now too late for me to try and draw a table of it and if Roa has time in her hands I'd appreciate her filling in the latest to her file.

And as you can see from there I'd suggest that you Eönwë, Shasta and Dury - or at least two of you - get yourselves to the Greenie-family as there are now 13 people included in the Volo-family and only 11 in the Greenie-one.

Please comment the rules you can find from here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=14849) as from June the 1st they will stay as they are unless changes are discussed in this thread before it ... :rolleyes:

[Durelin]

Does being a sheep in Legate's and phantom's flock not count as in the Greenie family? :p

If not, I guess I could be Lhuna's evil twin if she or anyone else does not mind, poisoner as my occupation.

Anyone claim me. :D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Ack! I didn't even notice that, Nerwen!

I'll just sit here as an unformed blob of ether and possibility, waiting to be claimed. :D

Or... no... aha!

I'll be the village astrologer/fortune teller. Cousin to... I'm not really sure who's in what family, at the moment. ^^;;

[Brinniel]

Hmm...astrologer/fortune teller...

Can I make a suggestion for you, Shasta? If you don't mind being an elder, perhaps you ought to be husband to A Little Green. After all, considering occupations, you two seem to be a perfect match. :D

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, I'll make up the new chart for you Nogrod. Two large families, eh? Methinks I see a feud brewing.....

[Roa_Aoife]

The final decision on how many kills the wolves will have will be made later as the size of the village is known. With the village of 23 (the current situation) 4 wolves will get 2 kills / Night.

By my count, exculding Azaelia, the village size is 27. Multiple nigth kills for four or more werewolves, seems highly appropriate to keep the game from dragging out too long.


In case of a tie the one gaining the highest vote first will die (this might be subject to change as I kind of liked the test in a game sometime ago where the last one gaining the highest vote was killed).

As long as the tie is not decided at random, I'm okay with this, but I dislike the idea of the last one to reach the high vote getting lyched, for exactly the same reason the phantom likes it. It seems to me as though it makes it too easy to step in and save someone else, and removes several commonly used strategies (used primarily by wolves, but occasionally by gifted) from use. The idea is to balance the game, not limit available strategies or cut the evil team's options. However, it's not that major, and other strategies may become available with the other option, so I'm not at all strongly opposed. Just wanted to raise the point.


There will be no modfire so the villagers need to get rid of people they don’t trust themselves. (This is also subject to change if a majority has a strong view on this the other way. Then the ruling would be that two Days in a row with no votes would bring on the modfire).

I prefer modfire. The reasons why are not a secret to anyone. However, I understand that modfire in this particular game may very well unbalance it in favor of the evil team, simply because of fluid nature of Deuling Wizards.

Four wolves will get two kills / Night. Or three wolves is enough?

I think it should stay with four wolves. It means that the EW will have to be a bit more careful with her wolves than she normally would be. We eventually had three kills last game, but I don't know if you want to do that again. We do have a very large village.

If a gifted is killed during the Night and the GW's roster had been full, the one the GW scried that Night will take the role of the gifted killed immediately if she was not the EW or a wolf. The GW may override this instant transformation by notifying the mod about it but that has to happen before the Day starts.

I question this, only because it directly contradicts the nightly order of events. If the wolf kill is last on the nightly order, then the person the GW scries cannot become a gifted, because at the time the GW scries there is no open slot. The slot only opens at the very end of the night, after the scrying has taken place. So it would actually be impossible for the scried person to take the place of the gifted.

Also, if the EW or GW scries someone who is on the other team, thus causing that person to become a normal villager, is the other wizard immediately aware of the loss of their team member? They were last game, and that bit of information was vitally important for both wizards.

[Lhunardawen]

If not, I guess I could be Lhuna's evil twin if she or anyone else does not mind, poisoner as my occupation.

Anyone claim me. :D
I'd love to be your good twin, Durelin. Sabotage my business as you will. :D And at least you can still bah at my phantom all you want - only you'll have me to answer to. :p

[Roa_Aoife]

Please make sure you are properly labeled and placed.

[Nogrod]

Thank's Roa!

Both families seem to stick to themselves with the exception of Brinn & Kath and Legate & Sally who dare to mix with the other family! :D

[Nogrod]

Because of the strong voicings there will be a modfire for anyone who does not post or vote in two Days.

As there seems to be a host of new twists in comparison to a normal WW-game we'll stick in a case of a tie to the "first one to gain the highest number of votes will die" -ruling. Also this ruling doesn't favour those voting the last (which is also timezone-related) so heavily than "the last one to gain the votes" -ruling would do.

There will be no retractable votes.


I think it should stay with four wolves. It means that the EW will have to be a bit more careful with her wolves than she normally would be. We eventually had three kills last game, but I don't know if you want to do that again.That's the way it's going to be. I kind of came to the same conclusion. And even this ruling will give the EW a possibility for two kills on first actual gameNight (Night2) if the villagers will lynch an innocent on Day1.

So: When there are four wolves or more they have two kills / Night.

I question this, only because it directly contradicts the nightly order of events. If the wolf kill is last on the nightly order, then the person the GW scries cannot become a gifted, because at the time the GW scries there is no open slot.I could have broken the order of Nightly events as such as I think the main point is about the balance. But on a second thought: if the GW's scry is the first thing in any Night (alongside EW's curse) she will have a possibility to fill the empty slot for that Night anyway. So basically we seem not to need the ruling...

Also, if the EW or GW scries someone who is on the other team, thus causing that person to become a normal villager, is the other wizard immediately aware of the loss of their team member? They were last game, and that bit of information was vitally important for both wizards.Sure. I think all the possible information will be given to the wizards during the Nights as soon as they become available and the mod (submod) is awake.

[Eönwë]

Will someone adopt me- Please?

Or does anyone want to be adopted. I know there are some missing links inthe family tree. If anyone wants me as one, I'm happy to do it.

[Roa_Aoife]

Will someone adopt me- Please?

Or does anyone want to be adopted. I know there are some missing links in the family tree. If anyone wants me as one, I'm happy to do it.

Currently, the Volos outnumber the Greenies by one. Cailin is husbandless... you could propose. Nerwen is childless. Nilp and Cailin appear to be parentless.

[Nogrod]

Cailin is husbandless...She's married to Eomer and I doubt she will remarry quickly after her husband dies on Night1... :)

Nerwen is childless. Nilp and Cailin appear to be parentless
Nerwen is also single so if you wish to be an adult you could propose to her... If you wish to be a gaffer Nilp and Cailín might be happy to have a father. Or if someone from Greenie-tree would like to have yet one son more?

[Lalaith]

For what it's worth, I prefer mod-fire, unless the player involved has made his/her participation problems known on the discussion thread.
I also think players should be put on their honour not to do an xxyy.

[Cailín]

Sorry for my prolonged silence - all the family and relationship debates were a bit too overwhelming. ;)

Durelin, I am happy to adopt you if you wish. Not sure how I feel about having given birth to twins (it seems painful and confusing to me), but it would undoubtedly be nice for Lhuna to have someone else to blame for stealing cookies and terrorising the guinea pigs. If you poison them, though, I will be forced to disown you.

And indeed, I am not husbandless, but Nilp and I do seem to be orphans.

Mod-fire, hurrah!

[Thinlómien]

Or if someone from Greenie-tree would like to have yet one son more?Nilp and I can take him, if he wishes to be our child. :D

Now one rule question: is this correct:
When the GW does not have all the gifteds, if he and the EW pick the same villager, the villager dies, but when the GW has all the gifteds, when he and the EW pick the same villager, nothing happens because the villager is saved from the EW's scry by being picked by the GW? :confused:

[Rikae]

Sorry I haven't been keeping up. I'm in Germany, where there are no computers... er, well, sort of.
Roa, I'd love to be your sister.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Because of the strong voicings there will be a modfire for anyone who does not post or vote in two Days.

Well I would like to at least voice my opinion that I am strongly against modfire, respectively: I am for modfire, but only for the "light" modfire, i.e. not posting consequently for two days at all. I am also doing that for personal reasons and for well knowing that it can happen. Or then, make it the "strong" modfire, but prolongate it to three days (but then, I think three are too long - two would be better, but only with the "lite" version).

Otherwise, I have no objections and I find my age, occupation, family status and their portrayal in the family tree Roa provided... and I am proud of being one of the few who do not stick to their own family. And I am saying rightaway that no Romeo and Juliet are going to take place here.

[Thinlómien]

And I am saying rightaway that no Romeo and Juliet are going to take place here.*giggles and casts a sideway glance to Aganzir* :D

Ahem, yes, no such thing is going to happen in this village as my daughters are far too sensible for that kind of romantic stupidities, aren't you, darlings? :D (Even though now I will have to wonder if Nilp and I are to become black sheep of sorts of our family, to let our girls meddle with the rivalling family... well, better than incest, I guess...)

Besides, Legate, you really shouldn't have said that. For now I started thinking that a couple of years from now, I'll mod DW III and it will have lovers in it to make everything even more messy... ;)

[Thinlómien]

And the lovers are of course the wizards :eek: (now there's a Romeo&Juliet story for you :D) - they die when the other one dies anyway... ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ahem, yes, no such thing is going to happen in this village as my daughters are far too sensible for that kind of romantic stupidities, aren't you, darlings? (Even though now I will have to wonder if Nilp and I are to become black sheep of sorts of our family, to let our girls meddle with the rivalling family... well, better than incest, I guess...)
Hey, actually, you are my (possible further) mother-in-law! Ai... :D

Besides, Legate, you really shouldn't have said that. For now I started thinking that a couple of years from now, I'll mod DW III and it will have lovers in it to make everything even more messy...

In that case, I am not going to play... :rolleyes:

;)

[Lhunardawen]

Durelin, I am happy to adopt you if you wish. Not sure how I feel about having given birth to twins (it seems painful and confusing to me), but it would undoubtedly be nice for Lhuna to have someone else to blame for stealing cookies and terrorising the guinea pigs. If you poison them, though, I will be forced to disown you.
So Durelin's younger? Yay, I have someone on whom to test the meds (aside from the guinea pigs, that is). :D

Don't worry, mum, I don't dissect your guinea pigs.

For now I started thinking that a couple of years from now, I'll mod DW III and it will have lovers in it to make everything even more messy... ;)You, Lommy, are evil. :p

[Nogrod]

I have now upgraded Eönwë to be the son of Lommy and Nilp.

I will not move Shasta to be Greenie's husband unless I hear from either or both of them if they agree.

If Roa and Rikae will be sisters that would finally bring this village together binding both families with a tie. There are pros and cons in that. It's up to you Rikae and Roa to decide. I'm fine with you being sisters as well as not being.


The rules have been upgraded as well. Check the game thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=14849). The rules are in three different posts.

First there are the basic rulings & what a villager should know.

Secondly there are the rules important to the wolves & gifteds.

Finally there are the rules for wizards and hardcore players.


There are still a few days to change them so please take your time to check them and give me your opinions of them here in this thread before the game begins.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

*goes down on one knee*

Greenie, will you marry me? :D

[Roa_Aoife]

If Roa and Rikae will be sisters that would finally bring this village together binding both families with a tie. There are pros and cons in that. It's up to you Rikae and Roa to decide. I'm fine with you being sisters as well as not being.


Not necessarily. Our relationship could be complicated by the divide between the families, forcing us to chose sometimes between siding with our husbands or siding with our sister. How can we choose?!?!?! Oh, the torment!:eek:

I'm going to send this game to a soap opera somewhere. :cool:

[THE Ka]

And the lovers are of course the wizards (now there's a Romeo&Juliet story for you ) - they die when the other one dies anyway...

I'm going to send this game to a soap opera somewhere.

... All My Wolves?

Days of Our Wizards?

or, One Vote to Live?


I am for modfire, but only for the "light" modfire, i.e. not posting consequently for two days at all. I am also doing that for personal reasons and for well knowing that it can happen. Or then, make it the "strong" modfire, but prolongate it to three days (but then, I think three are too long - two would be better, but only with the "lite" version).


From my rather shoddy track record at voting right after the deadline and having an annoying time zone, I guess I will have to agree to this, except I don't like the idea of making the modfire too complicated.
Our game already is more confusing than a Sim's neighbourhood :rolleyes:, so if strong modfire is agreed upon I am fine with it. Only thing I might add is that the modfire remain on completely outside-of-game terms and unaffected by bandwagons (i.e. it doesn't become a tool), such as in the case of someone only posting once a day to say they'll be gone and never returning before deadline, or no posting throughout. Though I'm sure the modfire will stay pretty straight forward.

I dunno if I've confirmed any of my role information, but I'm good to go and everything seems more or less in order.
Okay, off to study for finals...

~ Ka

[Roa_Aoife]

Before I post the final family chart (because I am not doing it again), here are some things I'd like to check up on:

Ages: Eonwe and Durelin- how old?

Professions: Celuien, Morm, Kitanna, Kath, and Eonwe- do have jobs and if so, what are they?

Daiting: Any other couples I should know about? Lovers, perhaps? ;)

Everyone, please be sure to review the last chart I posted and double check to make sure everything is correct for you.

[Eönwë]

Sorry for missing out on this thread for a few days.

I have now upgraded Eönwë to be the son of Lommy and Nilp.

Thank you for accepting me as a son Lommy and Nilp. But how old does that make me?

[Kitanna]

Professions: Celuien, Morm, Kitanna, Kath, and Eonwe- do have jobs and if so, what are they?


I had planned to claim lonely goat herder, but opted not to since Legate and phantom are already sheep herders. So everyone village, town, city, place with two houses in it, needs a tavern wench. Gladly shall I fill that role.

[Kath]

Ooh you're right Roa, I don't have a role. Hmm, I can't think of anything. If anyone wants to give me one please do! Or you Roa if you need to get that chart finished. :)

[Cailín]

Ooh you're right Roa, I don't have a role. Hmm, I can't think of anything. If anyone wants to give me one please do! Or you Roa if you need to get that chart finished. :)

Eomer: "Is Kath playing?"

Me: "Yeah."

Eomer: "Hm. I'd probably vote for her. I think she's a wolf."

---

:D

[A Little Green]

*goes down on one knee*

Greenie, will you marry me? :D Of course my horse... umm... I mean husband. :p

[Kath]

Eomer: "Is Kath playing?"

Me: "Yeah."

Eomer: "Hm. I'd probably vote for her. I think she's a wolf."

---

:D
I feel honoured. :D Perhaps my role should be perenially suspicious person.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nog, two technical things: first, given the age of me and my sisters, perhaps you should remove my label as "big" brother, because I am younger than both of them. Unless it's meant physically. Which... well, why not. At least you won't have to change anything.

But second, a question: I suppose even the people like Ranger will be informed, when they post their pick to the GW and it's changed, that it has been changed and who was protected, right? Like, I am a Ranger, want to protect Volo, my GW chooses that I will rather protect Greenie, so I will be informed that I protected Greenie (even if nothing happens during the night which should concern me)? It's only logical, but asking just to be certain (and because it means giving the Gifteds at least a confirmation of what they have done all night).

[Nogrod]

A soap opera indeed... or a wicked sitcom... :)

Concerning Legate's question: yes I think it would be fair for the gifteds to know who they have actually targeted. I was a wolf myself in the first DW and being totally in the darkness was a bit annoying. Given that information the gifted might at least speculate herself what is going on. So unless anyone strongly objects this with good reasons I'd like the gifteds (and wolves) to know what the wizards final decision was.

About the modfire then. If someone doesn't post anything on two Days in a row she will be modfired eg. removed from the game. I don't know whether you consider this a light or strong version of it but to me it looks like not playing and thence getting removed.

Relations & occupations are upgraded once more.

[Aganzir]

*giggles and casts a sideway glance to Aganzir* :D
*giggles and casts a sideway glance at Lommy*
Let's just hope that the lean abhorred monster won't take sally to be his paramour... But a pity that our ww got him to dislike the story this much.

Our game already is more confusing than a Sim's neighbourhood
Only the fact that I haven't had too much time to play the Sims recently helps me to resist the temptation to create a Sims neighbourhood for this. ;)

So unless anyone strongly objects this with good reasons I'd like the gifteds (and wolves) to know what the wizards final decision was.
If someone doesn't post anything on two Days in a row she will be modfired eg. removed from the game.
I think these both sound fair.

[Roa_Aoife]

I had planned to claim lonely goat herder, but opted not to since Legate and phantom are already sheep herders. So everyone village, town, city, place with two houses in it, needs a tavern wench. Gladly shall I fill that role.

My daughter, a tavern wench? :eek: Why couldn't you be a respectable apprentice like your sister?

If we have a tavern wench, then we likely need a tavern, and thus a tavern owner. There's a job for anyone who can't think of something.

[Nogrod]

If we have a tavern wench, then we likely need a tavern, and thus a tavern owner. There's a job for anyone who can't think of something.Wasn't Kath still without an occupation and not having too many ideas about it? I could see her as the tavern owner... and think about how she and Brinn might have then met and how, or at least think what the villagers would talk about it! :D

A few days to the beginning!

I'll try to make some extra fun by providing a small map of the village if I have time so that you can relate to the narrations and possibly use it in your own posting as well.

And btw. even if all this relations-stuff and all strongly suggests something like roleplaying nothing of the sort is required. All these things are here just for the fun of it (just think of all this discussion here already - and the game hasn't even started yet!) and possibly helping us to have a more enjoyable Day1. And surely to help me with the narrations even if this is admittedly getting a bit complicated. But who wouldn't love a challenge? :)

[Brinniel]

Only the fact that I haven't had too much time to play the Sims recently helps me to resist the temptation to create a Sims neighbourhood for this.
Oh no, how could you? Now that you've mentioned it and I do in fact have too much time on my hands, I'm actually considering creating the neighbourhood myself... :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Everyone, please be sure to review the last chart I posted and double check to make sure everything is correct for you.Would you add Eomer into the chart as Cailín's husband? He will be in the narration of Night1 and if he will actually play as well in a situation when Cailín can't it would be nice to have him on board there as well.

And a minor correction: Gwath is a highwayman but his brother McCaber is a henchman. So they are not both highwaymen.

[Kath]

Wasn't Kath still without an occupation and not having too many ideas about it? I could see her as the tavern owner... and think about how she and Brinn might have then met and how, or at least think what the villagers would talk about it!
Ah! That's brilliant. :D Alright, I'll take tavern owner if that alright with my life partner. Brinn's occupation should run alongside mine quite nicely that way.

[Nogrod]

Alright, I'll take tavern owner if that alright with my life partner.Will you sell your dad's sandwiches in there? Or maybe some poultry-dishes provided by your mom? And as your uncle is an apple farmer you'd surely have some cider there as well... :)

[Roa_Aoife]

So long as Brinn keeps an eye on her sister.... And keeps those trouble-making cousins of hers away.

[Durelin]

Roa - I'd like to really be an evil twin, not just an evil sister, so I'll go with 20 as well, though we'll say I am the technically younger twin. :D

Thanks for tackling the chart!!

[Roa_Aoife]

Thank you for accepting me as a son Lommy and Nilp. But how old does that make me?

Your sisters are 20 and 17. Do you want to be the oldest, youngest, or middle child? And do you want to have a profession? If you're young enough to be in school, I need a teacher's pet. :D

Roa - I'd like to really be an evil twin, not just an evil sister, so I'll go with 20 as well, though we'll say I am the technically younger twin.

Got it.

Would you add Eomer into the chart as Cailín's husband? He will be in the narration of Night1 and if he will actually play as well in a situation when Cailín can't it would be nice to have him on board there as well.

And a minor correction: Gwath is a highwayman but his brother McCaber is a henchman. So they are not both highwaymen.

Done and done.

I still need professions from Morm and Celuien. Anyone know where they are?

[satansaloser2005]

*goes down on one knee*

Greenie, will you marry me? :D



*hugs* Grandfather! I'm so excited you agreed to play! :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh dear, I see a swift rap with a cane in your future, Sally, my beloved granddaughter. <_<;;

(No, just kidding. :P)

[satansaloser2005]

Thank's Roa!

Both families seem to stick to themselves with the exception of Brinn & Kath and Legate & Sally who dare to mix with the other family! :D



Well, since I'm from the midwest in real-life, I decided to go for a change of pace and exclude my kin from the dating pool in the game.



And yes, I'm kidding. Sickos. :P

[Macalaure]

One last question about the rules:

The number of gifteds the GW can scry is three eg. one each. One that dies can be replaced on the next Night.

What if a gifted is unscried by the EW? Does the person scried by the GW (if not evil) automatically become the new gifted even when his roster was full when he scried, or is "unscried" treated the same way as "killed" in this regard?

[Aganzir]

Oh no, how could you? Now that you've mentioned it and I do in fact have too much time on my hands, I'm actually considering creating the neighbourhood myself... :rolleyes:
Hehe. :D

So long as Brinn keeps an eye on her sister.... And keeps those trouble-making cousins of hers away.
Speaking about me, eh? :Merisu:
Mom!! Aunt Roa is being nasty!

What if a gifted is unscried by the EW? Does the person scried by the GW (if not evil) automatically become the new gifted even when his roster was full when he scried, or is "unscried" treated the same way as "killed" in this regard?
In the first DW there was
Order of Night Activities:
1. Evil wizard picks whom to curse.
2. Good wizard pickes whom to scry.
3. Affected players are informed of results of #1 & #2 (if both wizards pick same villager, this phase gets longer but is completed before the next phase begins).
and if the same were to apply to here, the one the GW picked would become a new gifted immediately.
Yet I don't really know what to think of it. I mean, if the GW has her roster full and can't scry a new gifted that night, she can partly replace the lost one herself (by working as a seer or whatever her ability was). Therefore it might be fairer if the GW got to scry a new one only the following night. What do you others think?

[Nogrod]

if the GW has her roster full and can't scry a new gifted that night, she can partly replace the lost one herself (by working as a seer or whatever her ability was). Therefore it might be fairer if the GW got to scry a new one only the following night. What do you others think?I think we discussed this already... :)

But any issue that is unclear should be clarified.

There will be no immediate "replacements". If a gifted dies during the Night the GW can scry her roster full the next Night the earliest.

First of all there is no basic difference between the two options as the gifteds only work at Nights with special powers (and if the gift can be reassigned in the beginning of the next Night then there is no loss from the GW's viewpoint as the new gifted is fully operational that Night).

Secondly when scrying her roster full the GW is after the EW eg. trying to find out who she is. That is not automatically the same person she would like to have as her gifted so we should leave the choices to the GW and not force them upon her.



I'd like to see one or two players more (30 would be just great!). Rune and Mith are busy as well as Oddwen. Firefoot has not answered my call.

Then there were both Holby and Zali who said they were interested in joining the game earlier but of whom I have heard nothing since. If someone of you has more direct contacts with them please ask what is their situation.

If you know of anyone not yet playing feel free to invite them in the game. We still have two days before the game starts!

And don't get me wrong: I'm quite happy with the size of the village. Thirty would just be magnificient and a bit tougher game.

[Aganzir]

I think we discussed this already... :)
Then I just seemingly missed the conclusion reached.

I asked Groin and Sixth but both are busy. Sixth said though that he might like to play in the next game, so whoever mods it can keep him in mind.

[Nogrod]

Then I just seemingly missed the conclusion reached.
I think the arguments behind that conclusion were never made this open though, so it was good the issue arised anyway.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Concerning Legate's question: yes I think it would be fair for the gifteds to know who they have actually targeted. I was a wolf myself in the first DW and being totally in the darkness was a bit annoying. Given that information the gifted might at least speculate herself what is going on. So unless anyone strongly objects this with good reasons I'd like the gifteds (and wolves) to know what the wizards final decision was.

About the modfire then. If someone doesn't post anything on two Days in a row she will be modfired eg. removed from the game. I don't know whether you consider this a light or strong version of it but to me it looks like not playing and thence getting removed.
All okay.

*giggles and casts a sideway glance to Aganzir* :D
*giggles and casts a sideway glance at Lommy*
Let's just hope that the lean abhorred monster won't take sally to be his paramour... But a pity that our ww got him to dislike the story this much.

I really have no idea what these two are talking about... :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I asked Isabell. Waiting on an answer...

[THE Ka]

Only the fact that I haven't had too much time to play the Sims recently helps me to resist the temptation to create a Sims neighbourhood for this.

Same here indeed, but mostly because I was unsure about guessing everyone's physical appearance and insulting someone by accident.

Though, I'm a bit afraid what you'd do to my sim after the last WW... :p

I'm racking my head of who to invite, but everyone I know for the most part has already been asked. Such a small world... :rolleyes:

~ Ka

[Macalaure]

There will be no immediate "replacements". If a gifted dies during the Night the GW can scry her roster full the next Night the earliest.But if a gifted is turned into an ordo by the EW, then that gifted did not actually die. ;)

First of all there is no basic difference between the two options as the gifteds only work at Nights with special powers (and if the gift can be reassigned in the beginning of the next Night then there is no loss from the GW's viewpoint as the new gifted is fully operational that Night).You lost me. Sure, if a gifted is killed, then by the nightly order, the gift of that individual already took effect, so there's no issue there. But if a gifted is "ordo-ed" by the EW, that gift is lost to the good team for this particular night (because the scry takes place before the abilities of the gifted). It is only reassigned and fully operational the next night.

Secondly when scrying her roster full the GW is after the EW eg. trying to find out who she is. That is not automatically the same person she would like to have as her gifted so we should leave the choices to the GW and not force them upon her.That's true. The question is what is worse to the GW and whether we want him to have this disadvantage to the EW (whose minions are immediately replaced). There would, of course, also be the possibility to ask the GW what he wants, or to let him give his decision on this matter beforehand each time.

I think the arguments behind that conclusion were never made this open though, so it was good the issue arised anyway.At your service. :D

[Roa_Aoife]

The question is what is worse to the GW and whether we want him to have this disadvantage to the EW (whose minions are immediately replaced).


I just want to remind you that there is a greater risk to the EW than simply being down a wolf if the GW scries one. The scried wolf immediately changes teams, and all the info that they have goes with them. The absolute worst risk that the GW faces is a lost dream if the seer is turned, a role which the GW is already filling at that point. When the gifted roster is full, the good team has two seers. They don't need automatic respawns to balance the game.

[Macalaure]

I just want to remind you that there is a greater risk to the EW than simply being down a wolf if the GW scries one. The scried wolf immediately changes teams, and all the info that they have goes with them. The absolute worst risk that the GW faces is a lost dream if the seer is turned, a role which the GW is already filling at that point. When the gifted roster is full, the good team has two seers. They don't need automatic respawns to balance the game.That's a fair point, though of course the knowledge of each individual wolf will probably be kept very limited by the EW.

I'm just concerned about the unbalance that seemed to exist in the previous DW, so I was looking for possible disadvantages for the good team. They lose a gift, while the "gifts" of the evil team (# of kills) is not impaired in the equivalent situation. Sure, the evil team loses a member immediately when he's scried, but in turn the size of the team is not limited.

I'm sorry if I appear picky about this point. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm... I tried to lure Jenny to talk with me on Facebook so that I could invite her later, but she never replied... I think I'll go to spam TORE and the previous GW Gurth. Wish me good luck. ;)

[Durelin]

I pestered Kuru, but he's in the midst of moving.

Yeah, I miss TORE and Gurthang!

And what happened to Gil-galad?

I imagine Boro has been pestered?

[Eönwë]

Rikae, can I be your apprentice? (or whatever you call the equivalent thing for a lumberjack).

[Aganzir]

Though, I'm a bit afraid what you'd do to my sim after the last WW... :p
Thanks for reminding, now I just must find the time. ;)

Has anyone asked Fea?

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm just concerned about the unbalance that seemed to exist in the previous DW, so I was looking for possible disadvantages for the good team. They lose a gift, while the "gifts" of the evil team (# of kills) is not impaired in the equivalent situation. Sure, the evil team loses a member immediately when he's scried, but in turn the size of the team is not limited.


The last game wasn't really unbalanced. The only disadvantage that Gurthang, the previous GW, complained about was the difficulty of communication, which has already been solved. My only complaint was what happened with the hunter, which has again been solved. LMP put a lot of work into balancing the last game, and he did a pretty good job. Everyone seems so concerned about balancing the game, but we all seem to have forgotten LMP's work. We are getting dangerously close to Unbalancing the game in favor of the good side.

Look, if the GW can just instantly replace his gifted, then what would be the point of the wolves trying to kill them? The goal of each Wizard is to bolster their own team while limiting the other. Wolves are not aiming for innocents, they're aiming for gifted. You can't take that away from them, or you heavily unbalance the game in favor of the Good Team. If a seer dream happens EVEN THOUGH the wolves manage to kill the seer, can you really call that fair?

[Nogrod]

If a seer dream happens EVEN THOUGH the wolves manage to kill the seer, can you really call that fair?:) This discussion is not a new one. There was a lot of talk whether the first DW was balanced or not. But I do think we have corrected the few main issues (the GW will get all three gifteds from the start + both teams can communicate only during the Nights) and I do share Roa's fear of "balancing" it too much.

But that exact ruling I would like to keep. There is a clear and certain order how things happen during the Night and thence as the seer's dream is before the wolves will kill anyone the dream will be revealed to the GW even if the seer dies that Night.

About questions concerning invitations:

Fea has been sent an invitation - a long ago it was but still. There has been no answer - which holds true for Holby, Naria and Anguirel as well.

Boro had to decline because of RL busyness.

Spm and tgwbs have not visited the 'Downs since I've sent them an invitation so I wouldn't count on them either.

I have just sent a PM to both Zali and Holby who both have declared their interest in playing this game earlier.

[Macalaure]

Look, if the GW can just instantly replace his gifted, then what would be the point of the wolves trying to kill them? The goal of each Wizard is to bolster their own team while limiting the other. Wolves are not aiming for innocents, they're aiming for gifted. You can't take that away from them, or you heavily unbalance the game in favor of the Good Team. If a seer dream happens EVEN THOUGH the wolves manage to kill the seer, can you really call that fair?I'm not talking about the wolf-kills at all. As Nogrod said, the rules are clear on that, whether they're fair or not is another thing. My original question was what happens if a gifted is taken away from the good team by the scry of the EW (i.e. doesn't die). I guess "no immediate" regifting counts in both cases, dying and not dying. I didn't mean to overbalance things either.

[Brinniel]

There has been no answer - which holds true for Holby, Naria and Anguirel as well.

Spm and tgwbs have not visited the 'Downs since I've sent them an invitation so I wouldn't count on them either.
I mentioned the game to tgwbs awhile ago, but he replied he's still in school and will remain fairly busy throughout the summer. As for Anguirel, since he's also at Oxford I can only assume he's still in school as well...and getting a glimpse at his crazy schedule, I can only guess he won't be available.

I mentioned DW in a message to Formy, but he hasn't replied yet. Hmm...has anyone tried Sleepy Ranger and Farael? Or how about Elf-Warrior and Menel? Well, I know I can pester at least half of these guys via Facebook...

[Nogrod]

Hmm...has anyone tried Sleepy Ranger and Farael? Or how about Elf-Warrior and Menel? Well, I know I can pester at least half of these guys via Facebook...Just do it! :)

[Brinniel]

Just do it!
I did...I mean only recently because I kept putting it off then forgetting to (procrastinator speaking), but anyway... :rolleyes:

I sent messages to three more, but unfortunately Farael's PM box is full and I don't know any other way to contact him...

[Gurthang]

Hey friends!

Sorry that I've been absent so long, but priorities shift with the years. :(

Thin walled me on Facebook to invite me to play (which I greatly appreciate) and so I thought I'd at least poke my head in and respond.

Sadly, I am 100% unable to participate in the game. I'm working at a Christian Camp in Tyler, TX for 13 weeks this summer. Because of this, I have extremely limited communication during the week... as in none. I have about 24 hours on the weekends that I have internet and phone access time, which is completely incompatible with a Werewolf game. :rolleyes:

I do wish you all the best of luck... even Roa. (Actually, especially Roa.) :D I haven't had time to read through all the changes you all have discussed, but I trust that you've taken the initial game in great consideration and have altered whatever necessary to arrive at a spectacular sequel. I might check on occasion to see how things are progressing, but likely as a silent observer.

Good luck to all. And may Good prevail!

Sincerely,
Gurthang the Black Wizard

[Roa_Aoife]

Sleepy is busy with exams and won't be able to play.

I do wish you all the best of luck... even Roa. (Actually, especially Roa.)

Why, thank you. :Merisu:

[The Elf-warrior]

I think I'd better wait for a less demanding werewolf game, especially since I'm gonna start a new job on the 7th.

[Celuien]

Sorry - been away taking care of moving issues for the past couple of days...

I think I shall be a candle maker.

[Isabellkya]

Is it too late to join?

I'd love to play, if still possible. :D

If so.. may I be your sister Shasta?

Hmm.. A girl whom loves asparagus and throwing knives. :P

[Shastanis Althreduin]

A chandler! :D Good, we needed one. I'd like to place an order, please. One dozen candles of every color, to be delivered promptly upon finish.

Edit: Isabell! You made it! Certainly you may be my sister, if you don't mind being advanced in ages. I'm a grandfather now.

[Nogrod]

Isabell will be Shasta's sister so also Greenie's sister in law! One more gammer to the village! Yay!

The game begins within an hour and the roles will be sent then.

It will be Night1 first so only those with roles will have something to do the first Night . The Day1 breaks in 25 hours...

I'll be sending the roles to those who will initially have one around the deadline. If you receive no PM from me you can count yourself as an ordinary villager to begin with.

[Nogrod]

If so.. may I be your sister Shasta?

Hmm.. A girl whom loves asparagus and throwing knives. :PIf you're Shasta's sister you won't be "a girl" but the "gammer" who loves to throw knives - which indeed sounds a lot better! :D

[Nogrod]

It seems the 'Downs clock is once again a bit twisted.

I sent the narration of Night1 at 11 PM GMT sharp but the thread shows it is sent at 10.56 PM GMT.

So we will follow the real time and not the 'Downs time so long as they are two different things.

I will end the Days immediately when my computer's clock turns into 11.01 PM GMT (I will have the post ready and click it in when the minute changes) and thence all the votes that have been posted before that are counted in and all those coming after it will not be counted.


I will check the rules for the wizards and make a few extra rulings on the basis of my discussions with the wizards.


I will also be sending you an airview of the village tomorrow so that you can see how the village looks like and may use it in your posts if you wish. I will myself use that in the narrations anyhow.

Good game for everyone!

[Aganzir]

I wonder if it's a sign of addiction that a few days ago I adjusted my computer clock so that it would be in accordance with the Downs clock...

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to end the days about five minutes earlier than what the Downs clock shows. It might work vice versa, but I'm afraid that this would cause people to mess up the deadline.
Wouldn't it be easier to consider the Downs time as the real one?

[Nogrod]

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to end the days about five minutes earlier than what the Downs clock shows. It might work vice versa, but I'm afraid that this would cause people to mess up the deadline.
Wouldn't it be easier to consider the Downs time as the real one?We'll go with the majority with this.

To me at least my computer's clock is the easiest reference as it is always there in the bottom-right corner and is guided by the operating system to be correct all the time - and changing all the time as well by itself. To find the 'Downs time you need to scroll to the bottom of your page and to refresh it everytime you need to confirm what the time is.

I'll vote for the "real time" but if the majority thinks the 'Downs time is better then I'm ready to approve of that.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, by the way....I made a family chart of my own (I got super bored over the weekend), so I'll share it with everyone else. The only things missing are Morm's occupation and Eonwe's age and job.

http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r223/satansaloser2005/?action=view&current=completeDWfamilytrees-2.jpg

[Nogrod]

That's nice indeed!

I will link that to the actual game thread before Day1 begins unless Roa has even better chart to bring forwards!

Just using the magnifying feature of the site makes it pretty informative and clear.

Thanks Sally!

[THE Ka]

I'll vote for the "real time" but if the majority thinks the 'Downs time is better then I'm ready to approve of that.


I'll add my vote to that. I cannot tell you how many times I've missed a bloody deadline because of a mere seconds' difference between the Downs and computer clocks. Though, I don't know if everyone else has had this problem.

Also, pardon if its been already specified, but does everyone recieve a PM of their role (I mean ordos too) or do only the wolves, gifteds, GW und BW?
Thanks for any help, sorry to be a bother.

~ Ka

[Roa_Aoife]

No, Sally's chart is the win. Plus I don't have anymore free time before the start of Day 1, for which I will be at least a few hours late unless my schedule suddenly changes.

Also, it's unlikely that I'll be around toward the end of each Day. Just so everyone knows.


((((((Pssst, Sally, Rikae and and I are sisters.))))))

[the phantom]

I think it makes sense to go by the time that is actually stamped on each and every post we make. That way it will be very very easy to see which votes count and which have been cast too late.

[Gwathagor]

++ 'Downs Time

[Nogrod]

Voting this far:

Real time deadline:
Nogrod
The Ka

'Downs time deadline:
Aganzir
tp
Gwath

The result of this vote will be enforced at the beginning of Day1 (eg. in about 6 hours) with simple majority-rule.

Sally, could you post the familychart into the actual game thread before Day1 starts? If not, then send it to me and I can embed it into some of the first posts of mine - like the one with the airview of the village (coming soon).

[Macalaure]

++real time

I only just noticed that the Downs clock is off (again...). Who knows whether it's going to be off by a constant time and the gap to real time won't change now and then (like last time). I'm for staying with real time and some lenience with posts coming in a minute late.

[Durelin]

Real time, please!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Indeed, real time. We can all check our own time on the computer clock and be sure it's okay, and have it clear and not make any mistake with missing the DL. It's also easier to look up the computer clock (I have never ever looked at the Downs' clock). The only thing is how the posts are marked, but that has no value. Because a) there is no need for us to care about the time at our posts, the only value we need is what time it currently is, and not what time was when X or Y posted, and we can look up the time that is on our computers; b) it's up to Nogrod, and not us, to make the mathematical operations necessary to determine which votes are past the DL or not. In the case of using Downs time, everyone of us will have to get adapted to the weird DL time; but in this case Nog simply draws a line and as a Mod, he has the veto option to say "your vote shall not pass" anyway. As long as I, you, he, she, it sees to posting in time according to my, your, his, her, its own computer time, then all of us will post in time, of course. Where's the problem?

So, shortly and simply

++real time

P.S. And oh, Sally, this is really brilliant. What a skilful girlfriend do I have :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Downs Time

I prefer seeing exactly where posts fall in relation to the deadline, personally.

[Eönwë]

Oh, by the way....I made a family chart of my own (I got super bored over the weekend), so I'll share it with everyone else. The only things missing are Morm's occupation and Eonwe's age and job.

You probably won't be able to add this, but just so people know, I'll be 22 and since Rikae hasn't said whether she's accepted me or not as an apprentice, I'll be her uofficial helper-person.



Sally- It loks really nice

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A funny observation: this thread really looks like a game for itself, it's been said before, the length and such; however, now it's even closer, because we have actual voting and I found myself trying to count the votes and becoming almost as nervous as one is when actual in-game voting takes place :D (And now I had the itching to post a voting list... :rolleyes: )

[THE Ka]

Just had a chance to listen to the blackbird recording, lovely work! :)
(the PC at home has yet to gain audio or any interactions of the sort, unfortunately)

~ Ka

[Nogrod]

I'm for staying with real time and some lenience with posts coming in a minute late.I'd be happy to embrace Mac's proposition. As it is possible that the 'Downs clock starts wandering here and there - as it has done earlier - and it may be 20 minutes or an hour off one day.

So as long it stays within a few minutes distance from the real time I'd say we basically follow the real time but will count in all votes given according to the 'Downs time (eg. 3-4 minutes after the real-time DL) as well.

How would that sound?


Eönwë: I'll add your age and occupation to the player list anyhow.

[Nogrod]

Remember to turn invisible!

Those of you who haven't done that before go to "user cp", then "edit options" and then "use invisible mode" and save the settings for the duration of the game.

[Eönwë]

Remember to turn invisible!

Those of you who haven't done that before go to "user cp", then "edit options" and then "use invisible mode" and save the settings for the duration of the game.

:D I was so excited about the game that I did that 3 days ago.

[Thinlómien]

++Downs Time

I prefer seeing exactly where posts fall in relation to the deadline, personally.That should not be a problem since there will be a time stamp on the deadline post as well. ;)

++real time

[Eönwë]

++Real Time

Because you can see it changing all the time without needing to refresh the page. Also, sometimes Downs time is out by a few minutes.

[Eönwë]

Noggie, I love the way you wrote:
+ Eönwë, Rikae's unofficial helper-person

Made me laugh.:D

[Lalaith]

Downs time - what is real time, after all?

[Nogrod]

what is real time, after all?Getting philosophical? Just don't give me a chance to start over that kind of issues here... :D

[Volo]

++Real time.

[Roa_Aoife]

I vote for Downs Time.

If we go with real time, we have no way of knowing whose clock says what. I know for a fact from Nogrod's posts about time that my clock is 3 minutes faster than his. The Down's clock is a universal standard that is easy for everyone to see, and with each post being time-stamped, it's even easier to compare to the Downs clock to see which votes made it by deadline. Otherwise we could have arguments starting, "Well my clock said it was 10:56 GMT! My vote should count!" and so on and so forth. Using the Downs Clock avoids this kind of thing all together.

Honestly, this game is going to be crazy enough with out everyone trying to figure out what time it is and whose clock is fast or slow. Best to avoid extra confusion.

[Eönwë]

Getting philosophical? Just don't give me a chance to start over that kind of issues here... :D

Well, I could be going at almost the speed of light, in which case, my clock could be years out.

Anyway...

Edit: in my original post I was going to say that I changed my mind but no I stick with my previous thought.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

If we go with real time, we have no way of knowing whose clock says what. I know for a fact from Nogrod's posts about time that my clock is 3 minutes faster than his.
Usually, in your computer, at least on Windows, one can synchronise, resp. even actualise the synchronisation in the clock setting window. When you are connected to the internet, the computer of course does that from time to time itself. And I would presume the synchronised time to be the same.

The Down's clock is a universal standard that is easy for everyone to see, and with each post being time-stamped, it's even easier to compare to the Downs clock to see which votes made it by deadline. Otherwise we could have arguments starting, "Well my clock said it was 10:56 GMT! My vote should count!" and so on and so forth. Using the Downs Clock avoids this kind of thing all together.
I think it was good note what Nog said that we cannot be sure which direction the Downs Clock is gonna go - tomorrow, it may show 6 PM at 4 AM or who knows. Besides, if Nog is going to go with Mac's idea and be somewhat tolerant as he said (and also us players can help it a little by at least once trying to vote earlier *cough cough*), I can see no problem with someone posting after DL.
Besides, there was often someone who posted late, even when the clock was okay, and on the other hand, I am sure there were times when the clock was not okay but no one had any problem. I think we may be making too much off a fuss of nothing (so I should shut up, right ;) ).

[Brinniel]

++real time (with some leniency)

As mentioned, we never know how off this clock is going to get and if it becomes more than a few minutes, things will get pretty confusing. I know I hardly ever check the Downs clock anyway, so if we did go by Downs time I'd probably still go by real time out of habit.

If Nogrod is lenient by a few minutes, I don't see why real time should be a problem. Besides, it's not always necessary to vote to the very last minute anyway. If you're worried about missing the deadline, just vote earlier...

[THE Ka]

:D I was so excited about the game that I did that 3 days ago.

I just left it from last ww...:p


So as long it stays within a few minutes distance from the real time I'd say we basically follow the real time but will count in all votes given according to the 'Downs time (eg. 3-4 minutes after the real-time DL) as well.

How would that sound?


Good by me.

I would say voting early would help, but I'm too much of a realist to believe that in any good WW people vote early in droves beyond the reason of simply not being around to read. Something always happens, there's always a maverick post that sends us off the edge.

Downs time - what is real time, after all?

How we invest so much in the guise of reality m'friend... :smokin:

~ Ka

[Kitanna]

I'm impartial to real or Downs time. But also I may or may not be able to make every voting deadline (I'll still vote everyday just maybe a few hours before deadline). I work until about twenty minutes before the deadline so if I do make it home by voting time (which I should) it'll be to cast a vote and make few comments. Because of work I can be on a large part of the beginning of days, but will be rather sparse the second half. Hopefully this isn't going to cause a huge problem in the game.

[Nogrod]

It is possible the 'Downs time wanders a long way from the real time. It has been deviating from the "real time" with more than an hour before so we can't count on it.

But all the votes posted within the 'Downs time will be counted as long as the difference stays in this three-four minutes like it is now. You are all intelligent people and understand when there is a difference of an hour between the 'Downs time and the time you actually live.

So the Deadline will be 11PM GMT 'Downs time for now but if the 'Downs time starts to go on it's own we'll be making a new decision. If this ruling is to be changed (the 'Downs time freaks out) I will inform you about the new ruling (making it strict real time) both here and in the game thread.

So untill further notice the 'Downs time will do. Although I still think the real time is better as it comes to you automatically, is seen all the time on your screen and is not dependent of your refreshing the page everytime just to check it...

I must admit that just like a few here have said I have never myself even checked the "'Downs time" as it is so uncomfortably at the end of the page and requires constant refreshing to be of any help.


PS. Another matter:
Just to make it clear. I have systematically referred to anyone unknown in this discussion thread as well as in the game thread by "she" from the very beginning. And I will continue doing so. There will neither be hints in the narrations. They are narrations that have a logic of their own.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry! Painful lack of internet all day, as I forgot to grab my laptop on the way to work. Fixed all the problems (except Morm's occupation....*shifty eyes*) and here's the new and improved link (which I'll also PM to Noggie in case he still wants it).



http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r223/satansaloser2005/completeDWfamilytrees-4.jpg



Now, off to the game....!

[Celuien]

I just wanted to let everyone know that, as mentioned a little earlier, I'm in the process of moving. As part of that, I still don't have internet at my new place, which means that access will be limited to coffee shops with WiFi until that's taken care of and my presence may be somewhat erratic until Saturday. Sorry about that. :rolleyes::mad::)

[Durelin]

Gwathagor! Throw on your invisibility cloak, quick!

[Gwathagor]

Gwathagor! Throw on your invisibility cloak, quick!

Your point is a valid one and the committee will take it under consideration. :o

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I had a funny conversation when I got home (at about 9pm) last night.

'Did you know it was DAY 1 today?' said the Lhunatic.

'Oh, crap,' said I.

Sorry for not showing up yesterDAY, it won't happen again.

[Nogrod]

Sorry for not showing up yesterDAY, it won't happen again.I'm pretty happy with your apologies. No problem.

But the rules say one who does not post or vote in two Days in a row will be modfired. So take care you don't miss Day2. :)

[Gwathagor]

But the rules say one who does not post or vote in two Days in a row will be modfired.

I thought at first that this said "modified", which is actually more sinister than "modfired." It has a 1984 ring to it.

[Roa_Aoife]

I have a school meeting tomorrow, so I will have difficulty posting on Day 2.

[Lhunardawen]

I don't want to be modified - I mean modfired - so I'll assure you that my no vote yesterDay will not happen again...I hope. So sorry.

[Kath]

I'm sorry about yesterDay (as seems to be theme of the last few posts). I came down with something just shy of a migraine midafternoon and ended up asleep long before and right through the deadline. I don't know what it is about werewolf games but I always seem to come down with something on Day 1. Ah well, it's over now, I'll try my best not to miss any more!

[Eönwë]

I thought at first that this said "modified", which is actually more sinister than "modfired." It has a 1987 ring to it.

Don't you mean 1984?

[Gwathagor]

Don't you mean 1984?

Oh wow. I am blindingly self-absorbed. 1987 is when I was born.:rolleyes: Thanks, I better change that.

[Volo]

I just remembered that I'll be away for probably most of Day2 because of a very unofficial meeting, I'll try to miss it as well as I can, but I doubt that will work.

[Lalaith]

It looks like I will only be around briefly tomorrow morning early (ie just around 8am GMT) and then I hope to be back again just before voting deadline.
Sorry about that, I just worked out my schedule tomorrow and realised how little time I'd have online.

[Eönwë]

School:rolleyes:. Only now can I go on the Downs(=DW II)

[the phantom]

I will be gone a lot today. Here are the times I will likely not be able to post-

11 PM till 4 AM GMT
7 AM till 2 PM GMT
4 PM till 9 PM GMT
And probably gone again right at the end.

[satansaloser2005]

I will be gone a lot today. Here are the times I will likely not be able to post-

11 PM till 4 AM GMT
7 AM till 2 PM GMT
4 PM till 9 PM GMT
And probably gone again right at the end.



You mean no useless vote recounts? :(

:p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm not going to be around for about three hours right around the deadline; I have a wedding to go to, so I have to vote a bit early.

[Roa_Aoife]

Attention:
Attention:

(Yes, that was necessary.)

This is Mr. Roa, and I regret to announce that Roa is a tad bit under the weather, and will not likely be posting tonight. She hopes to be around before the Day ends, but the blasted kids at work seem to have brought her a welcoming present of illness and disease.

Roa: "They're worse than rats."

Ahem. Yes, well, I think we're all aware of that. More importantly, I think this is all just an overly elaborate scheme of hers to not get lynched, infecting herself with children's germinology to play the sympathy vote, but I don't know. That's just me. Believe you me, I have a far greater knowledge of just how evil and subversive she can be than all of you (likely) placed together and boiled into concentrated Roa-knowledge.

*has pillow throw at him*

I must go. Evidently, she requires some sort of "care" or "loving." I don't understand it.

[Lhunardawen]

Wow. Thank you, Mister Roa. Do you want to join the Downs? :D

Anyway, expect (even more) diminished activity from me toDay. It's a Saturday, and Saturday's are always crazy.

[the phantom]

Hmmm... does this mean we can lynch Mr. Roa? :D

Rest up, Roa! Hope you get to feeling better.:)

[satansaloser2005]

The opposite from me, though I'll be in the parking lot at odd intervals to make sure my battery's nice and charged.

Thanks for the heads-up, erm....Mister Roa. (That sounds weird....hehe) Tell her we all hope she feels better soon! Well, all of us except Phantom, that is. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Hmmm... does this mean we can lynch Mr. Roa? :D

Rest up, Roa! Hope you get to feeling better.:)

*slap* Bad Phantom. Bad. ;)

[Durelin]

Ooh, I think Mr. Roa should come play with us! I like his attitude. We need more attitude in these games, don't we... :D

[THE Ka]

Who could have done this to a little ageless girlie barely of any age?

I think, I’m in love with this.:D

Anyways, was going to come in here and say, "Sorry people, have work tomorrow", but I guess not.

First of all, love to thank the clairvoyant wolves for knowing this. It's either an appreciation for the hard work I do for canines, or just because of the innocent attraction, but I think I can safely say, its rather considerate.


Bah. Ka, why did you have to DIE???????????????

Well y'know, the village was becoming too personal for my tastes. Thanks for looking into it though. :)

I agree, Mr. Roa should join sometime. Then, he should join WW with Roa. Think of the Roa to Phantom team matches then.


Anyways, thanks to everyone. I'll be watching and waiting to give out some rep in the end of course.

~ Ka

[mormegil]

Should there really be this much chatting here?:rolleyes::(

[Diamond18]

Perhaps Nog might clarify but I don't really see that we should be talking to dead people about the game it really does affect the integrity of the whole thing.

For the record, the only contact I've had with living players was not instigated by me and I've said nothing remotely hinting or confirmatory in response to anything that's been said to me.

The only thing I did was say I'd text Sally the lynch result at the deadline since she was going to be away from her computer. And made a joke about Nog swearing under his breath in Finnish every time someone makes a pseudo division sign vote.

If a village can't prevail without cheating they don't deserve to win, that's always been my thought, whichever side I (used to) be on.

(Sorry, I just don't want to be banned from future WW -- but 'Downers make up 90% of my friends so it's kind of hard to avoid them completely and totally.)

[Durelin]

I trust everyone to not 'cheat.' I certainly do not think of either you or Sally in such a way. Mostly I feel the problem is specifically bringing up the deceased in such a way in the game...

< / 'chatting' >

Edit: Hmm. I don't mean like 'it breaks the mood' or anything. That's silly. Ah well, explaining is for another time...

[mormegil]

I understand Di and feel no cheating has been engaged in, my point was that names of the dead should not be brought up in the manner they were and the dead should not be posting on the thread. This can call into question the integrity was the point.

[satansaloser2005]

I trust everyone to not 'cheat.' I certainly do not think of either you or Sally in such a way. Mostly I feel the problem is specifically bringing up the deceased in such a way in the game...

< / 'chatting' >

Edit: Hmm. I don't mean like 'it breaks the mood' or anything. That's silly. Ah well, explaining is for another time...



yeah, sorry about that. Di's on my facebook, so it was just easier for her to get my number off there then to PM it to Roa (who very kindly offered her services). I felt it more fair than PMing, which no one but the two of us could verify. That and it felt slightly more fair (though since she was a gifted I dunno how I reasoned that) that I get my info from a dead player than a live one, as well....I trust the dead to not slant things in any way, especially Di. *kind of feels like an idiot now, but it happens :)*


Now, while I still have a bit, back off to the game!

[McCaber]

Due to time constraints and a severe lack of internet, I will have to leave the game. This is the end. Goodbye.

(no, not forever. Probably just until I get back to school.)

So have fun without me, if indeed you can.

[satansaloser2005]

Due to time constraints and a severe lack of internet, I will have to leave the game. This is the end. Goodbye.

(no, not forever. Probably just until I get back to school.)

So have fun without me, if indeed you can.

We'll miss you Cabbie; you did really well while you were alive despite your inability to participate more. Play with you again in the fall, kiddo. :)

[Gwathagor]

Due to time constraints and a severe lack of internet, I will have to leave the game. This is the end. Goodbye.

(no, not forever. Probably just until I get back to school.)

So have fun without me, if indeed you can.

I'm sorry we ever fought over Aganzir; she wasn't worth it. ;) I'll think of you when I'm robbing the lords and ladies fine out on the king's highway, little brother.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lhuna has internet troubles in her boarding house.

If you want, I can post as her. ;) But I reckon it's unethical for the dead to possess the living, haha.

She may be able to post tomorrow, though. I think.

[Lhunardawen]

I really do not want to be doing this again - I must be going for a record or something! - but I would like to request to be modfired. Since classes started (last Tuesday) I realised that I can no longer give this game the attention it deserves, and that's not just because of my internet problems. I'm sorry for not saying this earlier, and for any inconvenience I might cause/have caused you all.

Enjoy the rest of the game everyone, and I'm still rooting for you, my fellow innocents. ;)

[Gwathagor]

Lame.

I'm sorry you have to go.

[Lhunardawen]

But I'm sure none of you will miss me, considering how I seem to be slipping under everyone's radars. :p

Wait for me, my dear phantom! We'll be together again, and then we could go and spend a lot of time together somewhere private. :D

[satansaloser2005]

Wait for me, my dear phantom! We'll be together again, and then we could go and spend a lot of time together somewhere private. :D




None of that! This is a family site! :p

Kidding, kidding. I'm sorry you have to go though. We'll do our best to win the game for you though! :)

[Thinlómien]

Because I'm spending the weekend at my friend's summer cottage I will have to vote early toDay and I will appear rather late toMorrow (in case the game is still going on and I'm still alive).

[Nogrod]

Gah!

I forgot to write McCaber and Lhuna out in the last minute hassle... I will do it asap. Their exit will be added into the last narration as an epilogue and their names will be subtracted from the "living"-list.

And yes, you still have one wolf and one ranger to play with... so nothing's changing there.


Another issue.

If / when this game continues over the June 20th we will have our midsummernight's parties here in Finland and I will be offline from 20th to 22nd.

I have two suggestions then.

A) We take a leave from the game and halt the game on Thursday the 19th 11PM GMT and continue 11PM GMT on Sunday.

B) Someone will take a place of a co-mod and takes care of those days...

So what say you? Any volunteers? (It will ask some imaginative powers as well as I'm not yet sure how those stories of Herbert and Edelfried will continue and how they will turn out in the end as they're quite dependent on what happens in the game... they are a kind of "a work in progress". :rolleyes:

[Brinniel]

I forgot to write McCaber and Lhuna out in the last minute hassle... I will do it asap. Their exit will be added into the last narration as an epilogue and their names will be subtracted from the "living"-list.
Ah, I was wondering about that but I didn't think I should say anything being dead and all...

B) Someone will take a place of a co-mod and takes care of those days...
If the game is still running, I could probably co-mod. I really doubt I'm gonna have a job a week from now and besides...it'll be good practice for when I mod my game. :)

[Nogrod]

If the game is still running, I could probably co-mod. I really doubt I'm gonna have a job a week from now and besides...it'll be good practice for when I mod my game. :)If you check my last edit to my post and still feel like trying it I would be very happy indeed!

But let's hear others first whether they wish to have a pause or whether we should continue. I mean if many people are going to be away during that time - I think this midsummernight's partying is an European thing - we should have a pause. But if most or all want to continue I'd love to have you Brinn as my co-mod!

[Thinlómien]

Well, let's hope the game is not running then anymore, at least not with me and/or Greenie alive - we have practically no chance to get online for many days after the 20th... :(

[satansaloser2005]

Whatever's best for you all if perfectly fine with me. I've got nothing real special going on for a few weeks, so I would be okay with a pause if you needed it.

[Brinniel]

But let's hear others first whether they wish to have a pause or whether we should continue.
Of course. Whatever the players want...it's totally up to them (obviously). :smokin:

It will ask some imaginative powers as well as I'm not yet sure how those stories of Herbert and Edelfried will continue and how they will turn out in the end as they're quite dependent on what happens in the game... they are a kind of "a work in progress".
Well, I like to think that I have at least some imaginative powers. :) If you were to give me at least some direction, I think I would be able to handle those characters according to the events of the game.

But before I get too far ahead of myself...there are a lot more Days to go before next weekend. For we all know, the game could be long over by then. But if it does look like you'll be needing my help, be sure to send me a PM. I may be dead, but I'll still be reading the game thread regularly.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, concerning the progress of the game, as I announced already before it started, since 20th, I am goner and there's no way I can participate any longer, even if the game runs still by that time.

Now to issues at hand, I would like to apologise for my severe lack of participation lately as well as toDay, the exams have been all around me. Now they are almost all behind me, however anyway, toDay I am leaving soon, as I am going to relax my mind in the nature for the weekend. So I won't probably have chance to post much even now, and then on the next Day I will only be back late (several hours before DL), and I am not also very sure how large my participation will be.

So that's about it. Sorry all folks for being so unengaged lately, but exams came first and I can't possibly catch up on all... :(

[Roa_Aoife]

I seriously doubt we'll still be going in a week.

But I would only like to pause if a significant amount of the currently alive will be gone. If it's only one or two, they may very well be dead by then.

[Nogrod]

This Day included there will be four Days aka four lynches (and three Nights aka three possible kills) of gametime available before we run into any trouble. That means we will be at the end of Day9 on thursday 11 PM GMT and if everything goes wrong for the villagers it will be 4-1 then and after the Night10 - and the wolf succeeding - 3-1!

So let's just play now and look at the possible problems later.

This far it seems three players will have problems to play after June 20th (the end of Day9).

I'm probably going to be in our summer-cabin from that on (June 20th) as well, until Sunday - but even that absence isn't 100% certain as it now seems very few people are going to attend the party or are unsure about it this year. And I won't go there to celebrate the midsummernight's eve alone... :rolleyes:

So we'll play now and discuss the problems later if they need to be addressed.

And Brinn: if needs be, you are assigned!

[Lalaith]

These midsummer celebrations sound fun - Moomin Midsummer Madness was one of my favourite Tove Jansson books as a child....:cool: