Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[the phantom]

...why I should have known better
I don't recall saying anything of the sort. As of matter of fact I still have the PM in my box, so I know I didn't. ;)

What I did do however is explain my revelation as a "rare magical moment", and what annoyed me was that I wasted such a flash on a game that I'm not even playing in. :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Oh, dearie, don't take it like that. The reason why I was so excited about spotting Mac was the fact that it was something that perhaps shouldn't have happened. He was playing rather well.

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I am not taking it badly, I just must be more thorough. About the only thing that seemed odd about him was that he didn't suspect me which he often does when I we are both innocent.... but then Boro didn't suspect me either .. most disquieting. It just turned out that he was the coolest wolf I have ever encountered.

[Rikae]

Well, that was exciting/frustrating/interesting...

First of all, right when the game started, I noticed Mac seemed edgy during our phone conversations and pointed it out. Of course I suspected it might have to do with the game, but I decided to consider it "inadmissible evidence" and not accuse him in-game unless he did something suspicious there... besides, I thought he might be a gifted...
and he killed me because he didn't want to have to go on hiding something from me in RL! :rolleyes: Just when I wanted to gloat about catching Sally, too (people seem to think I'm this great legendary player, but I've always felt pretty lousy at wolf-hunting).
Well, I'm proud of him, anyway, for playing such a good game (although I would have liked the chance to catch him), and I've been rooting for him the last few days --- and now, a couple hours ago, Shasta PMs me and tells me he's not the real ranger!
Of course, I assumed Boro was, and that poor Mac, who thought he'd won, would be foiled in an attempt to kill Shasta toNight and be immediately lynched the next day. (Not that I would have warned him, of course!)

Well, excellent game, everyone!

[Macalaure]

I was the Ranger. I'm sure some of you had to of figured it out

I did, but not because of the missed protection of Nilp. Something in your "tone of voice", hard to explain.

It was a terrible dilemma: I couldn't kill you because I first had seers/known innocent to deal with, and then I needed you as a possible scapegoat.

I do wonder why you killed me since I never suspected you.

I didn't dare to attack Shasta, and of the others, you were the one least likely to be lynched. You were the logical pick for me.

Kudos Mac .. but I shall vote for you on principle first day for ever on.

I feared so. :D

phantom, may I ask what it was that made you suspect me?

and he killed me because he didn't want to have to go on hiding something from me in RL! :rolleyes:

As a matter of fact, I also happened to suspect her to be the ranger at the time.

Well, I'm proud of him, anyway, for playing such a good game

:)

[Gwathagor]

How do I manage to spend as much time as I do at the top of suspect lists? Am I cursed? Is it something to do with my writing style?

Sigh.

I hate werewolves so much.

[Brinniel]

Aha, I knew it was Mac!

After I was killed, I tried to figure out why these so innocent looking people who voted for a wolf weren't dying...my conclusion was that one wolf was hiding among them. If Mac had picked off say Izzy or Mith, people might start paying attention to him and why he's not dead. Better to leave all the so-called innocents alive and keep the village confused.

Of course for awhile I was trying to figure who among them could've been the wolf. Mac came to mind because I know he's flown under the radar and fooled the entire village before. I think it might've been Noggie's game he played so smoothly; it came as a shocker...I didn't see it coming. I figured he might be able to accomplish such a feat twice.

Hats off to the wolves, especially Mac (who fooled the entire village once again).

It was a great game, though I admit I was a bit disappointed to be killed so early on (I think a lot of that disappointment came because I really didn't expect it, being suspected and such). I've noticed from past games, wolves find me quite tasty. :p

Btw Durelin, I enjoyed my death scene. It was worth the wait. :)

[Nogrod]

Three hurrays for Macalaure!

Hurray - hurray - hurray!

That was incredibly sneaky of you! I have faced a similar situation once before (well it was a bit larger village when I was left alone but anyway) and it was really tough. You managed it admirably! *Kudos*

I abstained from suspecting Nogrod so much because I thought he was the cobbler (so much for me not auto-suspecting Nogrod this time :rolleyes:), and couldn't turn around on that in the last minute without making myself look bad.So that was it! :rolleyes:
And I was thinking that you were defending me - remember you saved me from the gallows two Days in a row - either as an innocent believing I was not a wolf (for once!!!) or as a wolf trying to make me feel good about you. I had those doubts to the end (my death that is) but it always felt there was a better candidate to lynch... How wrong I was!

And I even made a general post at some phase of the game about the "feel-good factor" and how deceiving it can be... :( *kicks oneself*

A real gamble - those are always ones I admire - but it was a successful one too. Great work!


And thanks to all others as well! It was a hard one - which means a fun one - even if I would have loved to play it longer.


How do I manage to spend as much time as I do at the top of suspect lists? Am I cursed? Is it something to do with my writing style?
Sigh.
I hate werewolves so much.Welcome to the club! I'm always suspected and I always end up near-lynched at least on the first Days. Call it the aura or whatever... That's just something you can't avoid - at least I seem not be able to... But I love the game!

And don't blame yourself Izzy for your choices. It's always easy to look back with hindsight and say "I should have done this or that". You risked it with Nilp and that's it: it was a risk I might have taken myself - and many of us might have. If Mac had chosen differently, you'd be the hero of this game...

And anyway, if the ranger manages one save in the game she has performed truly well!

[the phantom]

phantom, may I ask what it was that made you suspect me?
It was this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=568401&postcount=576) post that convinced me.

See, a WW cannot technically make an innocence/guilt list or suspicion list, because they already know the answers. And so if their suspicion list is not truly a suspicion list, it must be something else. It is rather a statement of intention, or a tool for manipulation.

For instance, if the wind is blowing towards lynching someone (an innocent), a WW naturally does not want to stop the lynching, but he would perhaps deem it wise to appear as if his instincts are against it, and not support it. And so he'll make some statement like this- "Person X seems like a logical pick because of this, this, and this, but I still haven't felt them to be guilty." This strokes those in favor of the lynching nicely (the WW has agreed that their idea is a good one) while also keeping the WW looking good for not having his heart in the lynching.

Anyway, every great once and a while, I read a list and my radar goes off like crazy and I'm just certain that the individual knows too much. It happened once with a Borowolf, an Eomerwolf, an SPMwolf, and it happened again in this game.

Now, there have been many times where someone has pinged my radar and I've been wrong, and times where someone has pinged it and I've been right, but it is primarily these three occasions that I recall where the feeling was quite overwhelming- and this time it was frighteningly so. As I read your post, Mac, it was as if I slipped into this other realm and I was the WW reading my own post and knew what my evil thoughts were behind it. But then I realized- wait, I'm not the WW, and this isn't even my post.

I quivered slightly. It's gotta be Mac, it's gotta be! Everything just fell into place.

So I got on MSN first chance I got.

"Sally, who's your partner? Is it Mac?"

"Yes."

And it absolutely drove me out of my mind that I had wasted one of my divine moments on a game in which I was not participating.

*sigh*

But if I had been playing I surely would've been dead before that, and so it probably would have been even more frustrating.

[Lalwendë]

Yay! Wolves win! Mua-ha-ha-ha!

Oh nothing like snatching a defeat from the jaws of a victory... not that the result would have been different. Since I never suspected Mac at all... though darling Phantom has already explained why I should. I do wonder why you killed me since I never suspected you.

Actually a lot of credit shoud go to Lalwende who successfully distracted us for so long - thereason I always think youare evil Lal is because I think you always ARE when we play together. And I think I have a better nose for cobblers than wolves. .

Now you always think I'm evil even when I'm innocent! :D Though I threw all sorts into the pot there, I was even downright rude to everybody at some points to provoke everyone - this does mean that in future games I shall have to continue being rude because now you will think I am being evil ;)

Hey, and there was WoW voting too! Even more than beyond my wildest Cobblerish dreams.

[McCaber]

I can't believe it. I was right about everything but the one thing that counted. I hate you all.

No, not really. Just Mac and Boro right now. In that order.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, I'm proud of him, anyway, for playing such a good game (although I would have liked the chance to catch him), and I've been rooting for him the last few days --- and now, a couple hours ago, Shasta PMs me and tells me he's not the real ranger!
Of course, I assumed Boro was, and that poor Mac, who thought he'd won, would be foiled in an attempt to kill Shasta toNight and be immediately lynched the next day.

*gives Rikae a cookie*

I would have been so happy had it worked, too. :(

[Macalaure]

So that was it! :rolleyes:
And I was thinking that you were defending me - remember you saved me from the gallows two Days in a row - either as an innocent believing I was not a wolf (for once!!!) or as a wolf trying to make me feel good about you.

To my defense, I wasn't the only one who found the way you went after Gwath suspicious, and the way you mentioned suspicious things about me without going deeper into them made me think you're the cobbler who guessed my identity and wants to protect me from looking too innocent without actually suspecting me.

Since I know what an effective cobbler you can be, I wanted to keep you around instead of sacrificing you early. And then I had to sacrifice a fellow because of it...

[Mithalwen]

Now you always think I'm evil even when I'm innocent! :D.


I athink we have only been in two games togetehr and once you were a wolf and now a cobbler...

[Nerwen]

Just got back.

Excellent wolfing, Mac!

[Boromir88]

Before anyone gets the wrong impression, my persona was only that, a persona. As Mith said I get bored being an ordo, and like to be confrontational. I wasn't fed up/sick of it, just trying out something new and wondering why I didn't follow up on Mac/letting him slide after the 2 wolf votes.

So, Mac, CoD, Sally, wonderful job, congradulations...bask in the victory. :p

McCaber, truly sorry about that. Why do you all believe me so easily? I was insane, Nogrod, Mith, Mac, you all need to keep me in line more. Well, it would have helped if Mac wasn't a wolf.

I honestly had really no idea what was going on. I thought Mith was the seer until Nilp revealed. Then I thought Shasta was the ranger again, until the very very end. And obviously I thought Mac was innocent after Day 1 and on, despite nagging feelings.

Durelin, truly a wonderful game, that went down to the wire. My goal is now to die before the very last day, I hate having to make a decision and having no idea what is going on. Yes, I want to pass the torch to someone else.

[CaptainofDespair]

So, Mac, CoD, Sally, wonderful job, congradulations...bask in the victory. :p

It was a great performance for Mac and Sally. I was merely a tool (and well-used, it seems) for Mac to keep from being too suspicious looking. And tools don't get to bask in victory. ;)

I, at least, was able to amuse myself with my Day One vote. Took that fiend down with me, too. :)

[Durelin]

CoD was more of a wild-card even than I expected. I was rather displeased with him for putting his fellow wolves in such a nasty spot on the very first Day, but, well, it did make things quite interesting (edit: and it meant that I had a co-mod from then on who I could call up and say "uh, woops, I'm in the car on the way to somewhere and the Day is supposed to start in half an hour..."). And I do like getting back to the basics of this game...that is, that it's a game, for amusement. :D

I was rather positive Mac was going to go all the way, up until the very last day there...

Sally I thought should have survived longer. I thought she managed the crazyness of Day 1 very very well. I guess Boro pointed out the problem during the game - that he saw her as behaving in a way he had as a wolf in the same situation. Really he brought the attention on her from the start on Day 2.

I knew Lal would be an amazing cobbler, and she of course did not disappoint. I was sad to see her go, even if that was kinda part of the job!

Both Nilp and Izzy did an excellent job of lying low - walking that thin line you could say? Both of them played a major role in bringing it down to the wire. It often happens that the gifteds end up just as 'known innocents' for a Day or so after they reveal and that's about it, and seers of course end up dead with posts to pick through, but this was not the case in this game at all. Which was awesome!

Boro was extremely entertaining this game. I very much enjoyed both his and Fea's attitudes.

I'd forgotten how fun it is to read along. Thanks everyone for playing, and sorry I was only half a mod at best, or you could call me a 'minimalist' as Mith said but that's being nice. I was quite excited about the theme and such but...ah well.

Again, thanks everyone! Love you all!

Oh, and I knew you'd kill Rikae that first night as a lone wolf, Mac. :p

[Mithalwen]

I wasn't being polite - you may be able to recycle ideas another time but it was such a tense game that I am sure we were all just focused on who was dead and what they were.

Yeah I find Fea most entertaining when I am modding.... :p

[Nogrod]

Why do you all believe me so easily? I was insane, Nogrod, Mith, Mac, you all need to keep me in line more. Well, it would have helped if Mac wasn't a wolf.Funny you should mention that Boro... for the reason I basically believed you to be an ordo (or in the worst case a cobbler) was exactly your way of going here and there looking for possible suspects left and right. I mean in the end we ordos need to do that because wolves only play carefully taking care not to arouse too many bad feelings and the gifteds need some cover as well. So who makes the suspicions and forces people to defend themselves so that we can judge whether they are innocentish or wolvish? I mean that was the reason why I started hesitating on Nerwen in the end: the "examination" turned her to look more innocent than evil. A lot of suspicion every once in a while leads into someone cleaning her/his name as well...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yeah I find Fea most entertaining when I am modding.... :p

My goal is simply to please, love. I pouted when everybody all but ignored my demented Seer-reveal. My poor roommates had to hear about it. They know how melodramatic I can be, but they must have died when I wandered around sulking and they asked what was wrong: "I told them that I both am and am not the Seer and they're ignoring me."

At that point, I was sooooo curious what would happen if I did it. It was a split second decision to cause a stir...

And Mith- I fully intend to entertain you on your next Goddess stint.

[Mithalwen]

Ooooh *anticipating mayhem* I like...

[Macalaure]

I pouted when everybody all but ignored my demented Seer-reveal.

I was really itching to write a long post about what your role could be and what your goals and risks were in each scenario. I only restrained myself because, as a wolf, I didn't want to break the unwritten innocent-rule to not discuss giftedness. As an ordo, I definitely would have.