WW LX - Mortal Men, doomed to die

[Thinlómien]

The wind and rain of the stormy night could not reach the tower chamber, but the darkness, it was present everywhere, it was not blocked by the closed window or by the curtains drawn over it. Lady Lómiel Starbrow was sitting by her desk, white wax candles in elaborately decorated candlesticks as her only defence against the ever-growing darkness. Beautiful, strongly drawn characters appeared on the page in a quick pace as she wrote the name of the recipient and then continued:

I call upon you in the direst need and with the utmost confidence. A darkness is gathering on our continent and the winds of change are on Númenór. Things are changing and there are alliances to be made. Now is the time to decide what we want and estimate what threatens us. Therefore, I invite you to a secret council on the uninhabited island called the Isle of the Dead, owned by my family. The council is held on the first day of the upcoming year. Apart from you, nineteen other persons of great importance have also been invited. Do not bring your own servants or guards with you to the island. I swear in the name of both the Valar and the Dark that I will not bring any either, except for the old mute housekeeper who lives on the island. I know you understand this rather extreme safety measure, but otherwise secrecy cannot be maintained and no trust can be created. Yours in haste,

She paused, gritted her teeth, then left a blank space and finished

Lord Thinroz Whiteblade

She took the letter and put it to the pile of nineteen other letters, identical except for the name of the recipient. She took all of them, blew the candles and hurried down to the main hall. She found her father sitting on his high marble chair. He was half asleep, head bowed and his face buried in the long white beard. Lómiel walked to him and asked, softly: “Father?”

“Lommy?” the old man asked, his eyes suddenly wide open. He looked around, looking lost.
“Yes it’s me,” his daughter said softly. “I have brought the letters for you to sign.”
He furrowed his brow. “Letters?” he asked weakly.
“Yes, father. The invitations for the Númenórean, Haradian, Corsair and Variag lords. About the council.”
“Oh… yes…” he nodded, looking to the distance. “Good that you wrote them. Now off you go, you can go back to play with your dolls. I will sit here yet for a while.”
“Father,” Lómiel said. “I asked you to sign them.”
She handed him the parchments and a quill dipped in ink, and he signed slowly and with a wavering hand. She waited patiently, then gathered all the letters again. “Thank you,” she said, planting a kiss on his brow and hastened away.

Lord Thinroz Whiteblade remained on his high chair, gazing to the distance with clouded eyes. “Bring him a blanket,” Lady Lómiel ordered and hurried to find the trusted messengers handpicked for this occasion. She gave each of them one of the letters and the instructions how to get to their destinations.

She remained by the doorstep, watching them go. It was still two months until the set date, two months of uncertainty and expectation. And the night was still growing darker and her cloak could not protect her from the cold the darkness brought with it.

[Thinlómien]

Roles:
4 ringwraiths (werewolves) – each Night they may PM each other, decide whom they’d like to kill and PM me the name. They win when their number equals the number of the innocent.
Seer – each Night PMs me with a name of a villager and I will reveal the role of the named villager to her.
Ranger – each Night can protect one villager from the ringwraiths’ kill. Cannot protect the same person two in two consecutive Nights and cannot protect herself.
Hunter – each Night and Day sends me a hunting pick. If she dies at Night, her pick will go down with her if he’s a ringwraith. If she dies by lynch, she will take her picked person with her regardless of his role. She does not have to send me a new pick every Day/Night but she has a right to do so.
Ordinary villagers – try to lynch ringwraiths during the Days and are used as cannon fodder by both sides.

Miscellaneous rules:
- no double lynches
- no retractable votes
- the deadline is 8.00pm GMT, votes timestamped after the deadline do not count
- in the case of a tie, the mod flips a coin (or actually, rolls the dice since she can’t flip a coin) to decide who dies
- you can’t use PMs etc as evidence and while alive, you are not allowed to talk about the game with dead or living players outside the game (game thread and ringwraith PMs). Dead people do not post on the game thread or the admin thread or talk with living players.
- don’t edit anything except typos etc on your posts, be on the invisible mode, remember ++ and bolding when voting and all that la di dah…
- there are no clues in the narrations: ringwraiths are always referred to as “he” and if gifteds are mentioned anonymously, they are referred to as “she” (and I warn you, if I accidentally write “he” for a gifted it’s most probably a typo since I’m gifted at making those as you might have noticed…)

~*~

The players

Kath
Nienna - pirate
Kent2010 - Black Númenórean scam artist
Legate of Amon Lanc - rebelling Haradian King
Nogrod - Corsair Captain "The Cat O' Nine tails of Ethir Anduin"
Shastanis Althreduin - King of the Sea
Isabellkya
wilwarin538 - sorceress
Nerwen - Queen of the Sea
Nilpaurion Felagund - fussy courtier
Rune Son of Bjarne - Tivo the Sorceror
Lhunardawen - rebelling Haradian Queen
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Groin Redbeard - Variag Warlord of Khand
satansaloser2005
Eönwë
Brinniel

~*~

PLEASE DON’T POST ANYTHING ON THIS THREAD YET. Use the admin thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15442).

The game starts on May 1st 8pm GMT. Sign up is open all the way up until that.

[Thinlómien]

Night1 has now begun.

Sign up is closed and I will start sending out the roles now.

As soon as they know who they are, the ringwraiths may start plotting with each other and the seer may send me a pick.

Thread still closed to posting.

~*~

The guests arrived, mostly one by one, although there was two married couples among the invited as well. Seventeen of the twenty invited appeared, which Lady Lómiel considered a personal victory. She and her father had walked the way to the pier to welcome the guests who were eyeing around suspiciously, clearly expecting a trap from their hosts or fellow guests. But there was none; the bare rocky island made it clear there were no hidden soldiers around and all of the guests came alone, unattended and unguarded.

“I am glad so many of you have arrived,” Lord Thinroz said to his guests. “I am… I am… delighted.” His eyes wandered to the sea, very grey and restless tonight.
“We welcome you to our humble villa, not an ideal place for such noble people as us, but it suits the purpose of a secret council,” Lady Lómiel put in. “Let us go in now, it is needless to tarry here in the cold wind as we can as well make ourselves comfortable inside.”
Captain Nogrod, also known as The Cat O' Nine tails of Ethir Anduin let out a laugh and said: “Ha! Cold wind? This wind is no cold wind at all. Do you want to know what is a cold wind? It really tears the flesh from your bones, like in the far seas where I…”
“The weather may not be coldest imaginable but it is unpleasant enough,” interrupted Lhunardawen, a Haradian queen.
“Yes, let us go in like our hosts suggested,” her husband, King Legate agreed.

So, they all followed their hosts up the stairs on the hillside and to the old, grievous-looking house on the hill. Lady Lómiel showed them their rooms and introduced the housekeeper, a mute old woman who was quickly agreed to be harmless. A little later, all the seventeen guests and Lord Thinroz alongside with his daughter were seated around a round table.

“Lord Thinroz Whiteblade will now introduce the topic of the council,” Lady Lómiel Starbrow announced, casting a meaningful glance at her father.
“Oh yes…” the old man said. “We are here to discuss…”
“With all respect sir, I have a question,” said Lady Isabellkya. “Why is your daughter attending the council? We were not supposed to bring anyone with us, and neither were you.”
“Besides she is known as an Elf-friend!” spat Groin, a Variag warlord.
Lady Lómiel laughed. “Yes, indeed, they even say I’ve had an Elf as a lover. Do you truly believe everything you hear?” She paused. “My father only promised to bring no servants or guards. I am neither. You don’t need to be worried by my presence. I will see that the housekeeper does her duties and act as a secretary of the meeting.”
There were a few grumblings, but no one protested aloud anymore. So, the hosts introduced the topic and the nineteen of them started debating the matter of the East. There were no conclusions reached and they went to sleep undecided and discontent.

After a few hours had passed, four of the guests emerged from their rooms and gathered to an old tearoom to have a private negotiation...

[Thinlómien]

Moonlight came to the salon through a high window. If someone had been there to see the four cloaked figures, he’d have wondered at how they looked. Very human, but slightly transparent and there was a darkness around them.

“Well met, friends,” the tallest of them said. “I guess you all know what we’re here for.”
“Yes…” hissed another. “We are here for this.” He drew a long, faintly glowing blade from its sheath.
The one whose cloak was lighter than the others’ laughed. “Yes, that is what he asked us to do. Get rid of these people before they pose a threat to him.”
“Or to us,” added the fourth, whose hands looked unnaturally thin and pale in the light of the moon and the stars.
“So, who do you reckon we should kill first? Who is the one who causes the most harm?” the first speaker asked.
“Lómiel Starbrow,” he with the pale hands replied immediately.
“The woman who manages the household and makes notes about our meetings?” the one who had drawn his sword asked in disbelief.
The light-cloak laughed again. “You are truly blind, my friend. Whatever the façade was, she was the one to truly led the council. She led us all as she willed – us kings, sorcerers, warlords and pirates… Don’t underestimate her. She is dangerous for us.”
“Besides, whatever she says, there is the possibility that she has had dealings with Elves, which is most undesirable from our point of view,” the tall one added.
“And if we kill her, her father will be out of the game too… He’s no more than her puppet, whatever they try to make us believe,” the light-cloak grinned.
“You win, you win,” said the swordsman. “Let us go.”

Moving as one, the four stood up and walked out of the room. When they strode through the corridor, there was hardly any sound of footsteps, just the soft rustle of their cloaks. They paused at Lady Lómiel’s doorstep, drew their swords, and entered.

~*~

Meanwhile, three other guests remained awake. They were more careful than the rest. Whatever Lord Thinroz had tried to make them believe, they knew they would not be safe here.

One of them knew evil was afoot, she could feel it in her bones. Therefore she made herself a potion of herbs she had brought with herself and drank it before going to sleep. Before she closed her eyes, she summoned the face of one of the guests to her mind and held to the image. If her potion would work as it should, she would know the alignment of the person she had chosen when she woke up in the morning.

The second one was scouring her sword. She had a bad feeling this would come down to killing people, and she did not want anyone innocent to be killed. She would protect the innocent with her sword, so it would have to look deadly enough to ward off any attacker.

The third one was sharpening her knives. She had not been allowed to take guards, so she would have to take care of herself. She hid the sharpened knives in her clothes and in her bed. If anyone dared to attack her, she would have a knife to stab him with.

~*~

In the morning, the guests were woken by the bewildered housekeeper. She tugged at their clothes and made pleading gestures with her hands. When all the guests had woken up and gathered to the corridor, the housekeeper led them downstairs.

“I wonder what’s up,” the courtier Nilpaurion wondered aloud.
“I demand to know what’s going on!” said Shasta who styled himself The King of Sea.
“Yes, that idiotic housekeeper can’t even talk,” his wife Nerwen agreed.
“I think we…” started Lady Sally, but her comment was cut out by a terrible wail.
“Lord Thinroz…” Nienna whispered.

As if by a common decision, the guests ran down the stairs. In the hall where they had been holding their council, Lady Lómiel was lying on the table. Her face looked pale and the elaborate nightgown she was wearing was all stained with blood. There was a neat cut across her throat, and her right arm was adorned by four ritual cuts. There were four long, slender swords leaning against the table, blood on the blades.

“Lommy… my daughter…” Lord Thinroz sobbed. He was standing by the table, holding his daughter’s unharmed arm. “They feared her, so they killed her.”
“They?” asked Wilwarin, the sorceress.
“The four evil ones,” Lord Thinroz replied, gesturing at the swords, and broke in tears again.
“Well, they were pretty silly to leave the swords here,” said Lady Brinniel and picked all the four blades up. “Confiscate those,” she told the housekeeper.
“And let’s move her, shall we?” asked Rune, also known as Tivo the Sorceror. He waved his hand and the body floated away from the table to a divan far at the other end of the room. Lord Thinroz followed it immediately and sat down on the floor next to the divan. He started crying again.
“Housekeeper!” shouted Lady Kath. “As soon as you are finished with the swords, see to your mistress’s burial.”
“We are busy with other stuff,” Lord Eönwë agreed.
“We need to find out who it was that killed her,” said Eomer who was known for his mysterious experiments with wolves.
“I think we can rule out Lord Thinroz himself and the housekeeper,” the scam artist named Kent said. The others agreed quickly – it seemed unlikely that those two would be involved in a conspiracy like this. But that was no comfort… that still left seventeen options.

~*~

Dead
Lommy (mod) - Lady Lómiel Starbrow, the hostess – killed on Night1

Alive
Kath
Nienna - pirate
Kent2010 - Black Númenórean scam artist
Legate of Amon Lanc - rebelling Haradian King
Nogrod - Corsair Captain "The Cat O' Nine tails of Ethir Anduin"
Shastanis Althreduin - King of the Sea
Isabellkya
wilwarin538 - sorceress
Nerwen - Queen of the Sea
Nilpaurion Felagund - fussy courtier
Rune Son of Bjarne - Tivo the Sorceror
Lhunardawen - rebelling Haradian Queen
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Groin Redbeard - Variag Warlord of Khand
satansaloser2005
Eönwë
Brinniel

Day1 has begun! Everybody, start discussing. Hunter, you may send me your first pick whenever you wish.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I can't say I'm very happy about being forced to spend time with this group. Full of self-important types who couldn't begin to impart upon me knowledge of interesting things, such as Wargs - probably only keen to discuss how large a safe they need for their gold.

I should think, if we are to be slaughtered, that we won't be a great loss.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What a distasteful deed, truly! The mere thought of this lady's murder in the house of her own poor father is verily freezing my blood. In my lands, those who have done something like that would have been punished in the most severe way.

But I think there is no need to truly execute such a punishment, when it comes to that... that's our purpose now, I guess.

To start, I know some of you from before - some of you I have met in courts of faraway places, or even on battlefields, either by my side or even against me - but there are quite many of you whom I know very little or not at all. Namely, the one pirate, that strange Black Númenorean artist and the sorceress are ones I have not seen before. Well, I guess it does not matter that much now - at least, I might have a kind of "fresh" view of you, unbiased by any previous encounters. And even with the others, actually - it has been a long time since I have traveled to meetings like this, so let us hope that I will be able to use both my experience with you and the rested mind to determine where the hidden killers are.

I guess there is not much to say for the beginning, but I am looking forward to seeing more of you speak, so then... I shall be listening to you now for some time, so hope you will speak up.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Could there be a greater mark of dishonor than killing the hostess? Perhaps maybe their next target will be a mere child!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ha, and actually somebody has already spoken up! Well, all right...

I can't say I'm very happy about being forced to spend time with this group. Full of self-important types who couldn't begin to impart upon me knowledge of interesting things, such as Wargs - probably only keen to discuss how large a safe they need for their gold.

I should think, if we are to be slaughtered, that we won't be a great loss.

Certainly your way of thinking is disrespectful at least, though I guess there are more important matters at hand than taking care of the punishment for slander. Nevertheless, I am sure there are more willing to speak... then we may weigh our worthiness.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Could there be a greater mark of dishonor than killing the hostess? Perhaps maybe their next target will be a mere child!

Fortunately, there is no child among us, as far as I am aware (though perhaps one might start to ask what age are some of us).

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I see the mere thought of death makes this Legate lose his wits and reason. Don't mention it anyone, it's too upsetting! He'll be no use if we need some steel so we should probably discount him.

Also this Shasta, for whom an evil child couldn't possibly exist.

Ah, humans...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I see the mere thought of death makes this Legate lose his wits and reason. Don't mention it anyone, it's too upsetting! He'll be no use if we need some steel so we should probably discount him.

Also this Shasta, for whom an evil child couldn't possibly exist.

Ah, humans...

*shakes head* Terrible person. Well, I have heard about those wild folks from the inland who are too close with these wild animals. They are half beasts themselves. No real manners.

But whatever. I would like to see who else is here to speak up.

[Kent2010]

that strange Black Númenorean artist
-Legate
Let me introduce myself then. The name is Phillip and I am the wealthiest man in these parts. Give me 300 gold pieces for travel expenses and I will gladly finance your rebellion. This offer will not be on the table forever.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Let me introduce myself then. The name is Phillip and I am the wealthiest man in these parts. Give me 300 gold pieces for travel expenses and I will gladly finance your rebellion. This offer will not be on the table forever.

Impressive, though I am far from dealing with dealing with people I hardly know. But perhaps after the time spent here we will know each other better and hopefully, then find a common talk. However, I have been able to incite a rebellion on my own and I am sure I will be able to continue it on my own if need be.

By the way, I would like us to generally at least try to say more than just a few words concerning our outside business: after all, now we are facing a situation far more imminent. Whatever important matters await us in our homes, it is irrelevant if we don't get out of here alive.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

By the way, I would like us to generally at least try to say more than just a few words concerning our outside business: after all, now we are facing a situation far more imminent. Whatever important matters await us in our homes, it is irrelevant if we don't get out of here alive.

What would you like us to say? Let's kill Legate? A bit early to be setting yourself up as community leader, methinks.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What would you like us to say? Let's kill Legate? A bit early to be setting yourself up as community leader, methinks.

If you have nothing better to say, then yes. Even that tells the others something about you. I have nothing against discussing private business, after all, we came here also with aims to seek military and trade alliances and I believe those who have not spoken yet would perhaps like to use this opportunity to give us some recount of the happenings in their homelands or whatever. However, I believe it should not be our main concern now, at least while the threat is present. It is now a secondary matter at most.

[Kent2010]

Impressive, though I am far from dealing with dealing with people I hardly know.
-Legate
I know your name and you know mine, so now we know eachother and now is the time we can begin to deal.

[Kath]

Hello all! Currently I am merely a drifter to these shores but upon the morrow (my morrow) I will try to make a firmer landing. Til then!

[Nogrod]

Ahoy!

Hey Ho! Tally Ho!

Now just a moment there milady Kath! We don't know who you are and what you are up to, but you just think you can get away with this just stating you're a drifter to these shores and will be willing to take part in this toMorrow? ToMorrow? Why not toDay? Someone will die toDay but it should not be you, right? Well why should we not consider you with your landlubber-excuses which are just as good as nothing?

So stop the bilge no one believes in!

The tenderfoots should swallow the anchor, I say. Or if they do not realise it themselves we should keelhaul these people - or make them walk the plank - in the first instant!

Oh, you freshwater-pirates! You deserve a good flogging! Speak up and do not hide in the masses.

You know when someone has broken a rule on board and it gets public... then the captain comes and asks "who of you were the ones culpable?". What is it he faces? A wall of silence...

Those who are able to talk themselves out will get the mercy or the second chance but those who just hide behind the backs of their fellows will be punished the most severely. I do hope people here see the decency of the practise on board as we seem to be in a similar situation. A galley can't afford a traitor and neither do we.

So anyone not wishing to stand up for her or himself for good or try to help us out in earnest should kiss the gunner's daughter before the sun sets. That's only fair.

Handsomely now, men! No quarter!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Now here's someone I can accept hanging round: Nogrod is clearly someone not constrained by the pathetic cosying of 'important' folk. Too eager is he, though, for conflict and bloodshed that he realises not that this debate has only just begun! Most people are probably still stuffing themselves with free eats at the breakfast table.

I can understand this impatience, though: there are four among us who would kill me and I'm ready to kill everyone around me to get at them first.

Apologies for the inconvenience.

[wilwarin538]

My my my, what a terrible happening. The Lady's strong opposition to guards, in order to keep secrecy, has cost her her life. I pray we can stop these monsters before anymore of us pass.

This first day will definitely be difficult. Some of us our familiar with each other, but others are complete mysteries. I also know that there is quite a bit of mistrust between some due to past feuds. We should all, however, try to start freshly with one another. We have all be unwittingly thrown into a horrible situation, so we must come together and cooperate in order to survive. Once this mess is all cleaned up, hopefully with as little bloodshed as possible, we can return to pirating, fighting, spell casting and whatnot on each others lands. For now, we get along as best as possible.

So how do we decide who to kill first? Pull straws? Russian roullette? RPS?

Difficult situation indeed........I should return in an hour or so, I have some spell books that I will look threw, perhaps Tivo and I can put our powers together in some sort of revealing spell.....unless he is evil himself, no way to know I suppose....

X'posted with Nogrod and Eomer....having a difficult time understanding Nogrod's dialect, quite odd indeed....:p

[Nogrod]

I know your name and you know mine, so now we know eachother and now is the time we can begin to deal. A deal with whom? Aren't you a bit too eager to suggest that? The baddies would like to make friends from the very beginning, but decent goodies will be on alert and will not trust anyone; at least from the start.

So "dealing" a friendship? Looks like a baddie trying to make alliances with the goodies...

The baddies have every reason to be nice with people they think are influential in any given village. And Legate - if innocent - fits that description well enough.

Many of us would love to trust someone around. But that doesn't happen on the first hours of Day1 - and suggesting a deal on friendship (or suggesting beginning to deal with it) looks very much like a baddie trying to search for alliances rather than an innocent looking for mates... as that would take place only gradually and later in the game, if even then then, openly, I mean...

Too eager is he, though, for conflict and bloodshed that he realises not that this debate has only just begun! Most people are probably still stuffing themselves with free eats at the breakfast table. Don't be too hasty there... Even the innocents may have reasons to shy away and some people sleep when others are awake. But what I was talking about was the overall participation which can only be assessed at the end of the Day...

But anyway, we should keep up the pressure for everyone not to post only once or twice with nothing to say but to actually take part. And that needs to be said in the beginning of the Day.

We know who has contributed at the end of the Day, but let's pressure people to do it already now by keeping up this mood of everyone requiring others to either speak or face the gallows...

I will vote for a "non-participant" toDay - and will call for others to do so as well - unless there is a very good case against someone else. The last game was proof enough...


having a difficult time understanding Nogrod's dialect, quite odd indeed....Begad! Shiver me timbers! :rolleyes:

I'm a rum fellow anyway... :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I can't say I'm very happy about being forced to spend time with this group. Full of self-important types who couldn't begin to impart upon me knowledge of interesting things, such as Wargs - probably only keen to discuss how large a safe they need for their gold.


And silver and precious stones. . .yes, you must not forget that.

What a distasteful deed, truly! The mere thought of this lady's murder in the house of her own poor father is verily freezing my blood. In my lands, those who have done something like that would have been punished in the most severe way.

But I think there is no need to truly execute such a punishment, when it comes to that... that's our purpose now, I guess.

To start, I know some of you from before - some of you I have met in courts of faraway places, or even on battlefields, either by my side or even against me - but there are quite many of you whom I know very little or not at all. Namely, the one pirate, that strange Black Númenorean artist and the sorceress are ones I have not seen before. Well, I guess it does not matter that much now - at least, I might have a kind of "fresh" view of you, unbiased by any previous encounters. And even with the others, actually - it has been a long time since I have traveled to meetings like this, so let us hope that I will be able to use both my experience with you and the rested mind to determine where the hidden killers are.


Distasteful. . .perhaps. But look how neat the cut on her throat is, absolutely magnificent, clearly done by a craftsman.

Anyways you seem optimistic about your own skills to use experience and not be baised, if only I could be as optimistic about any of us.

Ahoy!

Hey Ho! Tally Ho!

Now just a moment there milady Kath! We don't know who you are and what you are up to, but you just think you can get away with this just stating you're a drifter to these shores and will be willing to take part in this toMorrow? ToMorrow? Why not toDay? Someone will die toDay but it should not be you, right? Well why should we not consider you with your landlubber-excuses which are just as good as nothing?

So stop the bilge no one believes in!

The tenderfoots should swallow the anchor, I say. Or if they do not realise it themselves we should keelhaul these people - or make them walk the plank - in the first instant!

Oh, you freshwater-pirates! You deserve a good flogging! Speak up and do not hide in the masses.

You know when someone has broken a rule on board and it gets public... then the captain comes and asks "who of you were the ones culpable?". What is it he faces? A wall of silence...

Those who are able to talk themselves out will get the mercy or the second chance but those who just hide behind the backs of their fellows will be punished the most severely. I do hope people here see the decency of the practise on board as we seem to be in a similar situation. A galley can't afford a traitor and neither do we.

So anyone not wishing to stand up for her or himself for good or try to help us out in earnest should kiss the gunner's daughter before the sun sets. That's only fair.

Handsomely now, men! No quarter!

The New Improved Nogrod: Same old tune, now with pirate sound!

EDIT: Cross posted with Nogrod

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

AI will vote for a "non-participant" toDay - and will call for others to do so as well - unless there is a very good case against someone else. The last game was proof enough...

Ha, oh how I was missing that!

All right, well, to state plainly what is on my mind. It seems that some discussion is already starting to roll, which is good. I will be probably going to leave now, but I will be back later (after some rest) and then, there should be, I guess, already a few more people who spoke up by then, so I can start to make a picture: and I may post some of my first impressions in general.

Anyways you seem optimistic about your own skills to use experience and not be baised, if only I could be as optimistic about any of us.

Ah yes, actually I am optimistic, really. Well, or at least in a rather optimistic mood, despite the disgusting abovementioned deed that took place here. My mind still feels rather clear and light, possibly because it is after a really long time that I have to rack my brain with situation like this. Well, it would be nice if it stayed even into the further Days. (In case it is positive, of course. I have not yet tested what is its actual practical outcome :D )

[Nienna]

Ahoy!

I'm merely stopping in to say that I am here for a little bit. I will be back later when hopefully more discussions have taken place. I have no real inclinations so far as it is Day one.

I'm off to swab the deck and will be back in a while.

Gar.

[Nogrod]

Those who are going to get my vote if their status is as it is now in the end of this Day1. No problem if you make your mark later and just haven't been able to post at this point of the Day. It's not time-zone related but a general principle: before the Day ends everyone needs to take part. If not, you're my first choice.

Nienna
Isabellkya
Nerwen
Nilpaurion Felagund
Lhunardawen
Groin Redbeard
satansaloser2005
Eönwë
Brinniel


Because of the way they have posted I'm a bit worried about (subject to change if / when they post more):

Kath
Shastanis Althreduin
wilwarin538
Rune Son of Bjarne


For different reasons I suspect:

Kent2010
Eomer of the Rohirrim


I'm about to think innocent so far:

Legate of Amon Lanc


Hopefully you give me reasons to change and upgrade my list before the Day is over.

As I said, I will promote lynching the "submarines" first. But if everyone is actually playing, then I will move to the actual suspicions... unless there is a really good case against someone which would overrule any blind vote for the "under the Reindeer" -people.

Off to sleep now. See you later toDay.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So: Nogrod's suspicious of those who have posted (apparently because they have posted), and will probably vote for any one of those who have not yet posted (because they've not posted).

Oh, apart from Legate, his fellow loquacious ringleader.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hey Nogrod, you might as well say nothing at all. Your contribution so far has only offered a little more than those completely silent, you say the same things as you always do on day one. . .since you say the same all the time it is difficult to judge you by it. So basicly what you are doing is hiding in plain sight.

If you keep this up I will have to vote for you today and if you say something completely unpredictable, then it is clearly a change of tactics from a bad guy. . .so either way I will have to vote for you.

Notice: The last part was obviously in jest.

Anyways I shall leave you shall see you tomorrow
(If you insist on using "tomorrow" and "today" in connection with the games night and day face then you should be in game all the time when posting and not speak about "the game", because then we go meta and that is just silly)

[Nogrod]

Ahoy!

I'm merely stopping in to say that I am here for a little bit. I will be back later when hopefully more discussions have taken place. I have no real inclinations so far as it is Day one.Now just think if everyone was like you.

"I'm merely saying I'm here... I'll be back when there has been some discussion".

Now who do you think should have made the discussion if people were like you? Some others, right? But not you.

So you think you can be a parasite who only watches "some others" to discuss it so that you can vote one of the discussers.

Why don't you start the discussion - or take part in it? How about everyone behaved like you?

There would be nothing to say.

But then it seems that people lynch one of those who have actually tried to make a difference. And that's understandable as if someone just pops in to say that s/he has nothing to say, it's a hard time to come up with a reason to vote that one person from among many who has said nothing - but it is easy to vote for someone who has actually made some points (as you can disagree with points while you can't disagree with "hi there, let's get the baddies").

So why should we think that you - as you have decided to just hang around - should live after Day1 and those who actually play this game and make your "hanging around" possible in the first place (you can't hang around unless there is something to hang around to) should be the ones from whom we decide who to lynch?

This needs to change.

This really needs to change.

EDIT: X'd with Eomer and Rune

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

While Nogrod is undoubtedly a zealot, his principles are not obviously faulty, even if they do lead him to strange conclusions. Par for the course for zealots, I suppose.

It strikes me as not at all surprising, though, that such 'great' and 'notable' persons will hide when the big decisions have to be made. I don't know what our hostess was playing at. Not only has she, without doubt, led many of us to our graves; she has also provided us with miserably mismatched fellowship in the graveyard.

Humbug to her.

I will likely vote for someone who is deliberately subverting others to his cause: the need to make friends is senseless in itself, and can only point to a darker motive.

'Til later.

[Nogrod]

Hey Nogrod, you might as well say nothing at all. Your contribution so far has only offered a little more than those completely silent, you say the same things as you always do on day one. . .since you say the same all the time it is difficult to judge you by it. So basicly what you are doing is hiding in plain sight.

If you keep this up I will have to vote for you today Interesting you don't feel the need to say the same about Wilwa (never says anything on Day1), Kath (always excuses herself from Day1) or anyone else being like they are in most of the games they're in...

So are you a wolf who thinks I would be a nice trophy-lynch on Day1? Yes, I have posted some actual suspicions and possibly irritated some people by suspecting them. I may be wrong with some of them, maybe with many of them.

But retaliation is seldom a way to win this game - for the goodies.

To win the game we need to suspect and suspect and to suspect. Some of those people we suspect are able to turn around our suspicions and make us feel more comfortable with them, creating trust; and on the best occasions we catch some with their pants on their knees...

But it takes suspicions to get there.

The wolves rub you nicely. Remember that.

But you're right in one thing: I should try once saying nothing at all. Maybe all of the people who actually "say something" should hold their tongues in one game just to prove the point what a game without "talkers" would be. You could just roll dices for your sorry fun... :(

[Nogrod]

While Nogrod is undoubtedly a zealot, his principles are not obviously faultyOh your wisdom...
*bows in awe*

Love you Eomer, you're assesment is not obviously faulty... :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Have we got a bilge rat of a Nogrod picking fights and causing dissension? I'll have you keelhauled, just you wait, if you keep this up.

[Nerwen]

Have we got a bilge rat of a Nogrod picking fights and causing dissension? I'll have you keelhauled, just you wait, if you keep this up.

Aye, Husband, the "Cat O' Nine Tails" has been and drowned his wits again. He's in the horrors now– wolves, he says! And did you see my name on his list? And yours? Keelhauling is too good for him!

But this Tivo is a landlubber, and a sorcerer into the bargain– it's not likely I'd trust such a one as he, neither.

Tell you what, why don't we just let 'em duel for a while? I could do with a laugh, I could. 'Tis such a pity about the poor wench. Ah, she'd have made a fine pirate, that she would!

EDIT: bolding.

[Lhunardawen]

That Eomer guy is amusing. We should probably keep him alive.

Noisy and abrasive. Typical Nogrod. As I remember him, anyway. Not much reason to be worried about him now, but obviously bears watching.

But this Legate guy rubs me the wrong way. Feels subtly manipulative under the mask of leadership. Not to mention it feels like he's trying to win people over to his side.

Oh, right, he's my husband. :eek:

[Isabellkya]

It seems most often, the Day fighters end up on the innocent side. Though such quarreling a few hours into day break... is a bit of a running start on it, eh?
Our chances of finding a Ringwraith toDay are on the slim side, I'd say.
Since most often, people are their normal selves for this Day. Suspecting people for being predictable first Day selves, is a bit silly. Unless of course, they clearly have predictable behavior changes in terms of which side they are upon.



X'd with Lhuna.

[satansaloser2005]

Eomer's being rather snobbish; I thought that was Nilpie's role.

Kath's being quiet, so is Nienna. No change there. Same for Wilwa.

Cap'n Nog's being a bit of a brute, and I'm not sure I like it. Is he still paranoid from his last voyage or does he have darker motives for being so accusatory?

Rune has picked up on this behavior, and for now I think he'll be allowed to stay, if only because he's very astute and I think he can bring order to this mess.

Nilpie hasn't shown up, but I'm assured he's innocent. He couldn't possibly be otherwise, the sweet thing. Together we'll make this little band of miscreants a bit more ship shape, if you'll excuse the pun. Then again, you'll probably not even get it, so why bother to explain? *sighs, fans herself* I think these proceedings are a bit much for my delicate constitution. Hopefully Nilp will bring me a drink when he returns. He's always so considerate. And did I mention innocent?

Shasta and Nerwen are dirty, thieving pirates. It wouldn't surprise me if they're murderers as well.



The rest is silence....



EDIT: x'd with Lhuna and Izzy

[Nienna]

Now just think if everyone was like you.
...the world would be a much safer place.

Now who do you think should have made the discussion if people were like you? Some others, right? But not you.

I did not say that I would not make a discussion but that I could not make a discussion at the time. I had plans that I was off to complete but thought I should post first just to let people know that I was around and playing. I figured that that was a function first post but I guess that I was wrong. I did not have anything substantial to say so I didn't pretend that I did just to seem to make a discussion. It seems that on Day One many people post a lot of stuff without really saying anything. I was trying to avoid doing that.

So why should we think that you - as you have decided to just hang around - should live after Day1 and those who actually play this game and make your "hanging around" possible in the first place (you can't hang around unless there is something to hang around to) should be the ones from whom we decide who to lynch?

My goal in this game is not to just hang around. I really do want to make a difference. I was just hanging around before because there was nothing else to do. If I really thought that I had something substantial to contribute I wouldn't hold back just because I thought it was funny. I would post to let people know what I think.

Right now I think that I'm being a bit defensive and I'm sorry. I do not want to seem like I'm not contributing and I don't want to be lynched just because I'm not saying lots of nothing. I'm perfectly capable of saying a lot without really saying anything (I am a college student after all) but I thought that that would be a waste of everyone's time.

Anyway... I am in dreadful need of sleep but I will be around for at least a part of the end of the day. It is my Sunday and I need to catch up on school work but I will do my best.

Edit: x-ed with Sally

[Brinniel]

Nogrod should probably just vote me now because I can promise that toDay my participation will be to a minimum...:rolleyes:

I never have much to say on Day 1, and when I do it's usually at the very end of the Day. Which isn't very helpful since I won't be around in the last few hours; I won't even be around for the last 12 hours. My apologies, but RL is keeping me busy. Anyway, that means it's gonna be a random vote from me toDay. I don't know how I can possibly feel one way or another towards someone so early into the first Day. My first impressions are always off...

I'll lurk around for another hour or so and see if I can get any sort of hunches that could lead to a vote aside from randomness, but then it's off to bed. I would save my vote for morning...but I must be up early and can't be late like I usually am when I play WW.

[Brinniel]

Aand no one's posted. Typical. :rolleyes:

I won't vote Lhuna or Groin since they haven't played in awhile.

I won't vote Nogrod because I feel bad I keep killing him and I won't vote Legate because he seems to die in the first Days and Nights a lot lately and I won't vote Nienna because she got axed Day 1 last game.

Everyone else shall be victim to my randomness. Crap, I really hate doing this but I suppose it's better than no vote at all. Either way someone's gonna hate me for it.

Hmmm....

++Sally

Meh, she won't mind too much (err...or at least I hope not). :Merisu:

Yeah, I'm sure now if I don't get lynched, I'll probably be eaten as a no trail kill. Serves me right. While I can't promise tons of posts during this game, I'll certainly do everything I can to do better than toDay should I survive. :(

Anyway, I can't hold off any longer; I'm only getting 4 1/2 hours of sleep as it is. I might be able to pop in briefly once I wake, but I can't be sure.

[Kath]

Oy. *pokes Nog* I said my morrow not the game's morrow. Keep your hair on and keep an eye out for capitalisation! For once I've actually worked out when Day 1 is and have appeared well in time for it, give me some credit. :rolleyes: I will be around toDay though nearer the deadline than now ... although if someone could mention when the deadline is for BST that would be much appreciated!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Noisy and abrasive. Typical Nogrod. As I remember him, anyway. Not much reason to be worried about him now, but obviously bears watching.

Funny because I think Nogrod seems more agressive than normally. . .He says the same as usual, but the way he say it seems more agressive.


Cap'n Nog's being a bit of a brute, and I'm not sure I like it. Is he still paranoid from his last voyage or does he have darker motives for being so accusatory?

Rune has picked up on this behavior, and for now I think he'll be allowed to stay, if only because he's very astute and I think he can bring order to this mess.


I doubt I can bring order to anything, infact I am often described as a mess my self.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I've got to vote; I'm not sure I'll be on at all later and I'm a bit impaired right now; too much rum, you see.

++Nogrod

Fire!

Much more participation from me in following days if I live, everyone. Sorry! :(

[satansaloser2005]

I'm rather concerned about the way Nog is approaching toDay. I realize that quiet people are easily forgotten but to target them on Day One, when there's not a whole lot to be said anyway, and people are busy, seems less like prevention and more like stirring up trouble.


Brinn, no worries. If you find me suspicious, you find me suspicious. However I'd ask you to consider some other people toMorrow, as there are baddies to catch and I wouldn't want you to waste your time on me. No hard feelings though, of course. I hope you're able to participate more toMorrow though. :)


Rune, if I was to choose between you and Nog, I'd choose you. You may be mad but you're doing a lot better at making me not want to lynch you than he is right now. I'll not be swearing my allegiance though, since I'm not any more a fan of you....type....than I am of Cap'n Nog's.


Shasta, I rest my case, you filthy scum.


Where could a girl find more civilized company? (And where's Nilp with my refreshing beverage? I need him to help me through this trying ordeal. Perhaps I should go look for him....)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Right, I am here, and have read all, it seems most of the people have shown and even contributed, at least to some point. So, here is now a short list of what I think of the situation this far. Already some thoughts are beginning to crystallize (shoton, as people say in my homeland), so I hope by the end of the Day I should have enough to come up with at least partially clear picture.

Kath - so far little input. Kath already makes me feel uncomfortable, as always, and I can't read her. As always.
Nienna - despite the first sort of exchange with Nog, I am inclined now to see her behavior as genuine, and not as a particular intention to fly under the radar. Thus, hope to see her posting more in the future: like I said, this far, the picture seems genuine.
Kent2010 - he did not say practically anything this far. I don't know whether I should take the "let's make a deal" as anything worth considering: actually, I thought that it is a mere in-role talk and thus did not give it any in-game value. Well, though of course, I don't know him, so it may be possible that he would try to win people's favour in this way, "buddying" with them. But anyway, I would need to see more from him to be able to judge anything.
Nogrod - Nogrod is being his normal quiet-people-chasing self, and seemingly something has happened in recent games that made him pursue this habit even more forcefully. Let me say in this place that I agree with him, but this far it seems that hopefully people will post. Nogrod himself does not particularly raise my suspicion: if something happened to him, he's perhaps a bit more of a zealot?
Shastanis Althreduin - posted a bit and even voted, but just a little; so I can only hope that there will be this more participation that he promised in the future.
Isabellkya - stating obvious and dismissing Day 1, well that's quite simple and everybody could do that: I would like to see more.
wilwarin538 - the first impression is somewhat positive, I think she is trying to make some input, I only once again hope that there will be more in the future. It is yet quite some time till the end of Day 1, so let's see...
Nerwen - well hey, I would like some more out-role input...
Nilpaurion Felagund - not have been around yet
Rune Son of Bjarne - he actually reminds me of the typical Rune who weighs arguments of everybody... so he makes me feel him as rather innocent.
Lhunardawen - I guess my dear wife should learn her place, but now I would like to see more than one-(or few-)liner input from her.
Eomer of the Rohirrim - well that is one I cannot quite relate with, okay, he has this "offensive" mask, but overall, I am not quite sure what he's up to. Unclear, I'd say: sort of casting suspicion, or something, or rousing feelings, in a bit unclear way. So is there anything he is okay with, except for hating everybody, or what part of it is actually just roleplaying? Or what part could be casting wraith-y nets with hiding behind roleplaying? (By the way, I think people should slowly quit roleplaying after second, third post they make anyway. Or at least try to not mix the reality with roleplaying to the point that it is unclear.)
Groin Redbeard - not around yet
satansaloser2005 - this far, she's being more or less like her usual self, though it seems to me a bit defensive with her reaction to Brinn's vote, which was, like Brinn said, random. Well, whatever - let's see what comes in the future.
Eönwë - not around yet
Brinniel - all right, seems that she is now mostly busy with RL stuff, so I'm leaving her out for now, hope to see her around more in the future!

Okay, actually, all in all, for Day 1, it is quite good. Might have been worse. I am probably going to leave in a short while, but I will be around perhaps for a minute or two yet. Anyway, I shall be back in the evening (several hours before DL), so then. Hope that by that time, people who haven't posted yet will post, and those who posted will post more so that the picture of the may become clearer to me. So, till later...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

By the way, I think people should slowly quit roleplaying after second, third post they make anyway.

Absolutely not, it'd be duller without. I say Lommy wants this game to be remembered and what better way than by impressing our 'strongly-drawn characters'.

So, now, let's see, kill all humans, yes, well...

I think we, as a group, can perhaps make this Nogrod go crazy. Let's encourage this healthy suspicion. Did you know he's been thieving Lhuna's coins?

And pilfering Sally's pockets?

I wouldn't cry if we strung him up.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Nilpie hasn't shown up, but I'm assured he's innocent. He couldn't possibly be otherwise, the sweet thing. Together we'll make this little band of miscreants a bit more ship shape, if you'll excuse the pun. Then again, you'll probably not even get it, so why bother to explain? *sighs, fans herself* I think these proceedings are a bit much for my delicate constitution. Hopefully Nilp will bring me a drink when he returns. He's always so considerate. And did I mention innocent?Thanks, dear.

Shall we elope?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Most likely I won't be around for the rest of the DAY since I have to . . . attend court and present the interests of my clan after eloping with Sally, so:

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Sayonara!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Rune, if I was to choose between you and Nog, I'd choose you. You may be mad but you're doing a lot better at making me not want to lynch you than he is right now. I'll not be swearing my allegiance though, since I'm not any more a fan of you....type....than I am of Cap'n Nog's.


If you where to swear allegiance to me you would be richly rewarded. . .with treachery, a knife in the back!
Why? Because my image of you does not harmonise with it, I kind of expect you to stand on your own feet, change sides a few times and then go up in flames.


I like Legate's list, he seems to have put a lot of though into what he writes, but obviously he does not have any major suspects on a day 1. The one thing that pussles me is that he agrees with Nogrod, yet he is unwilling to consider Brinniel as a lynch target.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I got to go. . .infact I am running late and I doubt I will be able to make it back intime for the deadline. So basicly I have to decide who to vote for right now. . .a tough call.

Nogrod is more agressive than normal and not bringing anything new to the game, but is that a good enough reason to lynch him on day 1? probably not.

Legate seemed resonable, but then there is small inconsistensies. . .

I think I will go for a person I have not been able to read at all, you know people who have posted, but you feel completely indifferent about their posts.

That would make my list look like this:

Kent
Kath
Isabel
Brinn
Lhuna
Wilwa

Of these Isabel seems to be the most careful. . .could be a sign of an evil doer trying not to expose her self. (Or it could just be a day 1 post)

So basicly this vote is 98% random.

++Isabellkya

[Nerwen]

Here be a thing I'd like to share with the company:

Now, I've seen a deal o' bloody work in my time. Sad to say, thing's ain't always friendly among we corsairs. There be fights over treasure; there be sheer boredom at sea, and most of all, there be rum. Often a man be found dead in his bunk with his throat cut, and nought to say which o' his shipmates did the deed.

And then the whole crew takes a vote over who's to walk the plank. And many's the time we've found out that the poor soul were innocent as a newborn lamb (well, apart from everything else he'd done in his career;)) and that the scurvy dogs who sent him overboard were the guilty ones. (Or, were he a wrong 'un indeed, they'd been all in it together.)

And what's the thing I've heard dogs like that say so often that the ship's parrot starts copying 'em? Why, just "It's only a random vote... it's only a random vote..."

I be not sure whether 'tis the same among landlubbers, but I be keeping a weather-eye out for this Brinniel now. And I be finding it strange, too, that no one else sees fit to comment– not me husband dear, not His Majesty the King O' Harad, not the sorcerer. Why, even the wench she voted don't seem to mind!

'Tis strange. I need to think on it some more.

In the meantime, who's for a song?

Fifteen Men on the dead dwarf's chest–
Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!
Drink and the Dark Lord had done for the rest–
Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!

EDIT: X'd with a host.

[wilwarin538]

Alrighty, I'm afraid I won't be able to make it back on later as I promised. I feel quite terrible about that, I was hoping that I could have a really productive Day 1 in this game. My Day 2, if I make it, will be far better I'm sure.

So I have to vote now. I won't vote for anyone who hasn't posted, anyone who is new, anyone who has only posted little ones like myself (don't want to be hypocritical), or anyone who has already gotten a vote (don't want to start a chain or anything) . So I believe that leaves (and doing this off by memory to save the little time I have): Legate, Rune and Eomer. Rune, I have to admit that I love him, haven't played with him in a very long time, so I don't want to vote for him. So between Eomer and Legate, I shall toss a coin. Heads Legate, Tails Eomer.

++Eomer

Sorry! Process of elimination really and then some randomness, I'd just much rather vote then not vote at all. Hopefully my logic is good enough for you guys to keep me around.

Good luck everyone! I hope to be able to be much more useful the next Day.

X'posted with Rune and Nerwen

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I won't vote for anyone who hasn't posted, anyone who is new, anyone who has only posted little ones like myself (don't want to be hypocritical), or anyone who has already gotten a vote (don't want to start a chain or anything).

1. That's reasonable.
2. That's not.
3. That's really not.
4. Nor's that.

Sorry Wilwa, but there's no sense in your criteria.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Kath - Probably up to no good but no proof yet.

Nienna - Not treading on many toes yet. Sneaky.

Kent2010 - Looks like a sly one.

Legate of Amon Lanc - Gives an air of false nobility. Probably a villain.

Nogrod - Hmm, a curious one. Too easy to dismiss him as a candidate for being "too" aggressive.

Shastanis Althreduin - Seems ok I suppose.

Isabellkya - I think she's a clever one.

wilwarin538 - Don't like her vote, and not just because it's for me.

Nerwen - Another clever one.

Nilpaurion Felagund - Inclined to leave him alive (though unconvinced he deserves it).

Rune Son of Bjarne - Seems ok so far.

Lhunardawen - Seems a bit sneaky.

Groin Redbeard - n/a

satansaloser2005 - Probably up to no good but no proof yet. Just like Kath.

Eönwë - n/a

Brinniel - Probably one to kill.

[Nogrod]

Hey ho!

This is looking much better than it did when I went to bed. Lots of things to think and to rethink. For example Nienna looks much better now - and Brinn / Wilwa far worse.

Sadly I need to go yet again, but Ill be around for something like two hours before the DL.

This is looking like a good Day1 indeed for a change.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

This is looking like a good Day1 indeed for a change.

I'm sure a few of us saw what you were up to, Nog. :smokin:

Well, have at it.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Brinniel votes for Sally, apparently because she likes her.

Shasta for Nogrod, apparently because he's stirring up too much trouble.

Nilp for Nilp, apparently because he's still ill.

Rune for Isabellkya, apparently because he sees her as being a bit too careful with her opening post.

Wilwa for Eomer, because of process of elimination then coin-toss.

--------------------

Sally: 1
Nogrod: 1
Nilp: 1
Isabellkya: 1
Eomer: 1

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I think Rune's vote is the only one that makes sense, but that could just as easily mean he's a smart Ringwraith - so not too much to go on.

The other votes are all pretty dodgy.

[Nerwen]

The other votes are all pretty dodgy.

Aye, that they be. I be keeping a weather-eye on the sorceress now, too. I never seen no good come o' sorcery yet.

But here be another thing. Accordin' to His Majesty O' Harad:

satansaloser2005 - this far, she's being more or less like her usual self, though it seems to me a bit defensive with her reaction to Brinn's vote, which was, like Brinn said, random. Well, whatever - let's see what comes in the future.

But what did the wench Sally say?

Brinn, no worries. If you find me suspicious, you find me suspicious. However I'd ask you to consider some other people toMorrow, as there are baddies to catch and I wouldn't want you to waste your time on me. No hard feelings though, of course. I hope you're able to participate more toMorrow though. :)

Now that be strange, true. The wench be sweet as sugar to the one as tried to hang her– 'tain't in nature, I'd have said. But then why does His Majesty say she's defensive, when she's just the other thing?

I be still needing to think.

[satansaloser2005]

Thanks, dear.

Shall we elope?

Oh, yes please, my darling!

Most likely I won't be around for the rest of the DAY since I have to . . . attend court and present the interests of my clan after eloping with Sally, so:

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Sayonara!

Darling, you mustn't talk like that (with the voting that is). But....oooo, the rest sounds promising....

*fans herself*

Obviously I won't be around either, so I shall cast my vote for

++Nogrod

now before we are off. I just can't help thinking there are darker motives at work with Cap'n Nog.



Oh, Nilpie, darling, wait up!



ETA: Sorry, I thought I said this in my actual post, but must have forgotten. Eomer seems a bit defensive if you ask me.

*swoons and runs off after Nilp*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, back...

Absolutely not, it'd be duller without. I say Lommy wants this game to be remembered and what better way than by impressing our 'strongly-drawn characters'.
Eomer, you did not quote the sentence that followed - I said that of course one can post in-role, but it should be discerneable what is in role or not. My point of saying that people should quit roleplaying after second or third post meant: Quit posting posts which are NOTHING but roleplaying! If you post for half a day just about what ships you have looted or what wargs you have cloned, it is perhaps funny, but not the point of the game. This is Werewolf, not the RPG room. You should catch Wraiths and not play pirates. You can do that elsewhere. You can of course put in pirate slang or use a sort of "enhanced" way of expressing your doubts (instead of saying "we should lynch X" you can say "X should walk the plank", like we have seen f.ex. in Nerwen's recent post), that's fine. Or you can open your post with ranting about the lack of troops in your home country - but it should NOT be the only content of your posts.
The problem with you in particular is that I cannot tell how much of your post is in-role: or actually, if there is anything out-role at all. Because even the things you say which sound like suspicions or doubts or in-game questions, are mostly based on some in-role posting. That's why I said in my former post that I don't get you.

I like Legate's list, he seems to have put a lot of though into what he writes, but obviously he does not have any major suspects on a day 1. The one thing that pussles me is that he agrees with Nogrod, yet he is unwilling to consider Brinniel as a lynch target.
Well, simply - because if she says she has RL things to do, I can excuse her. Of course, for now - if she were doing this every day and saying "oh, sorry, I can't post" then of course, it would be nonsense. But it is just Day 1, and if such a thing happens once - well, it can happen to any of us, right?

But here be another thing. Accordin' to His Majesty O' Harad:

But what did the wench Sally say?

Now that be strange, true. The wench be sweet as sugar to the one as tried to hang her– 'tain't in nature, I'd have said. But then why does His Majesty say she's defensive, when she's just the other thing?

Okay, saying defensive - I simply meant the fact that she is commenting on something like that in such a way. Okay, wrong use of words. By "defensive" I was aiming mainly on the aspect of her saying "I'd ask you to consider some other people tomorrow..." But you are right about the sugar part, yes.

Okay, otherwise: Nilp's appearance and self-vote does not look good to me at all, why is he doing that? I think that's a bit silly, if nothing else. I mean, it's a way of bringing attention, of course, but he could have as well not voted at all. This is just asking for attention.

wilwa's vote and the reasoning behind it is just bad. I mean - okay, maybe she does not have a preference of one subject over the other, but saying "" would be just a too easy cover for . Many people do that. Okay, I see - some just won't have chance to come back again, and have to vote, and it's Day 1, and they don't have that much suspicion - we know the stuff. But I think one should at least try to vote based on his or her best opinion, because then there is some actual stance behind the vote and not just "okay, it ended up that way". All right, true - wilwa basically said that both me and Eomer are equal suspects in her eyes, so it was just a choice between two similar things. But still.

Okay, so for now: I guess I will be watching sally as well as wilwa and Nilp, and Eomer is a whole chapter for me. From those who have not posted that much before, Nerwen now seems quite okay to me from the last reading.

I guess I'll be more or less around from now on, and see and think of my vote then.

Edit: x-ed with sally. Hmm..

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Defensive? Really?

Because I reacted to a vote against myself, and determined that it was a dodgy vote?

I suppose I could have taken the Sally-route and just shrugged it off and not talked about it.

Well, I have a lazy Sunday here, and I keep refreshing the page every 20 minutes and posting for the hell of it. I've decided that it's been far, far too long since I was a loudmouth in one of these games.

[wilwarin538]

1. That's reasonable.
2. That's not.
3. That's really not.
4. Nor's that.

Sorry Wilwa, but there's no sense in your criteria.

Uhm, I thought there was some sense actually. If I voted for someone who has barely posted everyone would be like "wow, hypocrite, you haven't posted much either", and too often has someone gotten trouble later on for copying someone elses vote, so I was not going to vote as someone else did. And rarely does anyone ever vote for someone who a) has never played or b) they've never played with, on a Day 1.

Votes are practically always random on Day 1, there's no way to avoid it, I just tried to put as much reason into it as possible before making my random choice.

Just popped in to see quickly before work, thought I'd put my immediate thoughts down.

[Lhunardawen]

Sigh. So it's Day One, and I can't make much out of things so far. I really envy those who are (or seem to be) able to formulate complicated-ish plans and read into people's posts. Yeah, I'm looking at you Nogrod and Eomer. I don't know, but you two feel genuinely innocent to me right now.

Legate still worries me for some reason, I can't quite put my finger to it. Seems to me he's saying too much, and not being too careful about it. Which should normally speak for his innocence, because he's not afraid to speak his mind and be lynched for it, but not in this case. Either he's being too careless, or just trying to make it appear that he's not careful. If that made sense.

Shasta, too, is suspicious. Posts of no significant content and a safe vote for Nogrod. Tsktsktsk.

I can quite sympathise with Brinn, at least for toDay. That pesky RL can be such a pain. But Sally's reaction to Brinn's vote for her is interesting. It feels...patronising. And quite creepy. That probably translates to suspicious. And I'm not sure I like all this cavorting with Nilp, but that's probably just because, well, it's Nilp. :D

Speaking of whom, I missed those self-votes. Nilp is probably bored and 80% innocent.

Nerwen seems alright. The rest are either unreadable or submarine - at least they are not registering with me. Which is not a good thing.

It's so late her that it's early, so I'll vote in a bit. Shasta or Legate or sally? Hmm.

[Kent2010]

Eomer, sly I am, but I would suggest that we are not looking for sly, we are looking for scary guys in dark robes - which theoretically should not be hard to pick out from a crowd, but I guess these wraiths have decided to go with a change in wardrobe.

And to Nogrod -
Don't be too hasty there... Even the innocents may have reasons to shy away and some people sleep when others are awake.
-Post 21
So are you the only one allowed to be hasty?
So "dealing" a friendship? Looks like a baddie trying to make alliances with the goodies...
-Post 21
You misunderstood, Captain, I want to get off this rock - err ship - and Legate has the means to do that. In return I offered support for his insurrection, he might feel good about it now but once he gets far from home and supply lines are stretched...he will find out his rebellion is quite hard to keep going.

But if you have the power to get me out of this hell Captain Nogrod, then my ears are open. You could have a mutiny in the coming days if you keep this attitude. The name is Max von Drake, former master of arms, and my services may help you in the near future. *Pulls out a stack of certificates, and hands to Nogrod "Max von Drake, certified public assassin"*

I will do a more thorough read of the thread and make a decision. From my quick look, the person I am slightly suspicious of is Rune for his response to Nogrod's aggressiveness. Nogrod was one of the players I have had limited experience with and I remember this same fiestiness. Nogrod is someone who strikes me as his style does not let him survive to the very end all that often and that would mean it would be a mistake to lynch him on day 1 based on his aggressiveness.

[Lhunardawen]

It seems there won't be much happening around this time, and I'm already sleepy, so it's time to vote. I'm sticking to my first and strongest suspicion.

++LEGATE OF AMON LANC

Good morning, everyone.

[Kent2010]

Uhm, I thought there was some sense actually. If I voted for someone who has barely posted everyone would be like "wow, hypocrite, you haven't posted much either"
-Wilwarin
We shouldn't lynch hypocrits either, it may be morally compromising to be hypocritical, but being a hypocrit doth not a Ringwraith make - or frankly we'd all be wraiths. If you believe a quiet one a Ringwraith make than vote for the quiet one do not abstain because you fear hypocrisy.

If something happened to him, he's perhaps a bit more of a zealot?
-Legate
My assumptions about him from my first game still seem to be accurate. And it could just be last Nogrod witnessed Greenie, Shasta, and Lariren, play three extremely quiet wolves - and we are talking about a maximum of 3 posts a day (all three of them missed voting once) and they let the innocents duke it out and lynch eachother.

To believe this will be the exact same scenario will likely get us into trouble, but I am not worried by Nogrod's aggressiveness today.

[Kent2010]

Here is where the headache sets in, because I do not have any idea one where to go.

Other than feeling pretty good about Legate and Eomer, everything else is a big blur.

I like Legate because he makes long posts, alright that might be a bad reason, but he talks about everyone, which means if he is innocent he is analytical and he thinks. If a wraith he leaves a nice dirty laundry list. Keep him.

And currently I am agreeing with Eomer about the several dodgy votes. I was first thinking this was a good list of names, and it may be unwise to expand it, because crunching the numbers, there is the probablility of a ringwraith. But then looking at the people with votes, I really can not see a reason to vote for one of them, and that got me thinking about voting early. But this is where I need some help, because I have no clue - there always seems to be a focus on the people who step out early and start suspecting peple. Then others respond with "ooh look at this person trying to steer our attention, lets watch him/her." But what about wraiths trying to focus our choices for later towards the deadline, by voting early and healthily spreading out the choices - making anyone wary of adding more names because we might feel "this is a good list for day 1?"

[Nogrod]

but I am not worried by Nogrod's aggressiveness today.Don't be. First of all, we need to suspect and throw the suspicions around to see how people react. Secondly - as I've said a thousand times - the wolves need to be nice and uncontroversial but we don't. And really, aggressiviness? That must be a cultural & linguistical difference as well. I think I have been the most mild-mannered and polite all the time. :)

Yes. Most of the votes so far have been just terrible. The problem is that not all who have voted yet can be werewolves. Shame on you people. :rolleyes:

How can we separate the maliciously bad votes from the rest if everyone votes "randomly" or with no points whatsoever? Every nonsense vote given by an innocent eases the task of the wolves to blend in the crowd of whom nothing can be said about toMorrow.

(Oh, how I phantasize a werewolfing community where random-voting on Day1 would lead to quick and immediate lynch - that way the wolves would be forced to try and play and not just hunker down with their malicious "random-votes")

Okay. One hour+ remaining.

Hoist the sails!

[Nogrod]

Lommy!

I didn't find any mentioning of a modfire from the rules. So is there one - and which are the conditions for it - or do we have to decide what to do with the dead load ourselves?

[Isabellkya]

I'm not keen on this "confusion" or anti-keenness towards Nog's "newfound aggressiveness". He was similar the last game, and he was innocent. This game, I think he just has more material to back up his 'lynch the quiet' stance.

I agree with the quit roleplaying. Or at least make sure you have enough game related material to counter the banter, in-character stuff. Otherwise, you can just float through the game - looking like you are being helpful and pro-innocent, when you are truly hiding behind your created character.

I find myself agreeing with Nerwen here. The amount of random votes... well they are all random save for Nilp's.

Isn't Nilp known for voting for himself? Even has a .. catch phrase? 'Nilping yourself'?


X'd with Nog x2 and Kent.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Uhm, I thought there was some sense actually. If I voted for someone who has barely posted everyone would be like "wow, hypocrite, you haven't posted much either", and too often has someone gotten trouble later on for copying someone elses vote, so I was not going to vote as someone else did. And rarely does anyone ever vote for someone who a) has never played or b) they've never played with, on a Day 1.

Okay, now, I haven't played with you before, but you know what? This actually looks to me very, very calculated up to the point that it would raise one's eyebrows. Because what you basically said is (at least the beginning): "I have voted the way I did in order not to seem suspicious." But should not the innocents vote for the best of the village instead of just the best of themselves? Okay, though I am not sure if you would have stated these reasons openly like that had you been a Wraith... but still. Well if you are not, it is certainly not a good reasoning to use. Anything to say to that?

Legate still worries me for some reason, I can't quite put my finger to it. Seems to me he's saying too much, and not being too careful about it. Which should normally speak for his innocence, because he's not afraid to speak his mind and be lynched for it, but not in this case. Either he's being too careless, or just trying to make it appear that he's not careful. If that made sense.
Okay, whatever, my lady. I am not sure I got your point, but still, I don't see it as the best beginning of our honeymoon. (Reminds me of some of my former wives, too...)

My assumptions about him from my first game still seem to be accurate. And it could just be last Nogrod witnessed Greenie, Shasta, and Lariren, play three extremely quiet wolves - and we are talking about a maximum of 3 posts a day (all three of them missed voting once) and they let the innocents duke it out and lynch eachother.

To believe this will be the exact same scenario will likely get us into trouble, but I am not worried by Nogrod's aggressiveness today.

Ah yea, so then that would likely speak for the way I thought. Okay...

Well, anyway. I should make my mind as to whom to vote for. I will try to sum up my thoughts now...

edit: x-ed since Kent's 66

[Thinlómien]

Lommy!

I didn't find any mentioning of a modfire from the rules. So is there one - and which are the conditions for it - or do we have to decide what to do with the dead load ourselves?Yes, I forgot to mention it. Modfire exists, but it's not based on any set rule, but on the Mod's consideration. The normal "two subsequent Days of no posting or voting" serves as a guideline, sort of...

[Eönwë]

*bangs on large chamber doors and is finally let in*

I'm sorry about coming into this discussion so late, but it appears my chamber was locked with me inside, (my computer was acting funny) and I had to break down the door. A great shame that is, because I fear it will not be replaced now that Lomiel, our dear hostess, is deceased.


Late I am, but the fact is, I see I didn't miss much of the discussion toDay. Two pages isn't much for one Day.


Now let me look over the events of the past Day...

[Nogrod]

Isn't Nilp known for voting for himself? Even has a .. catch phrase? 'Nilping yourself'?He's legendary for that. Not that him making it makes him more innocent this time around.

I'm off to review the votes so far - what where the given reasons for them that is. I'm pretty confident we have some easy-going wolves (well one at least) there. Voting early with random-grounds is the safest way to avoid the gallows on Day1 as no one will be ready to lynch someone for that only. And therefore perfect wolf-tactics.

The normal "two subsequent Days of no posting or voting" serves as a guideline, sort of...Okay. At the moment I'm inclined to vote either Groin or Eönwë. But they have an hour to change that inclination.

And maybe something better will come forwards before voting-time... hopefully.

EDIT: X'd with Eönwë... Bright timing! :rolleyes:

[Eönwë]

I'm not keen on this "confusion" or anti-keenness towards Nog's "newfound aggressiveness". He was similar the last game, and he was innocent. This game, I think he just has more material to back up his 'lynch the quiet' stance.

Though it may just be a cover for his wolfish self. If someone is known for something which makes them seem normal, then they can use that to form an "I'm always like this" excuse. Same goes for Nilp. Not that I find any of them really suspicious (Nog a little, Nilp I'm not sure). All I'm saying is that it pays to look from both sides.

Funny because I think Nogrod seems more agressive than normally. . .He says the same as usual, but the way he say it seems more agressive.

Could just be his dialect. I'd keelhaul the lotta ya if ya keep talkin' like tha'! No, I can't really do it.

edit: x-ed w'Nog

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

(Oh, how I phantasize a werewolfing community where random-voting on Day1 would lead to quick and immediate lynch - that way the wolves would be forced to try and play and not just hunker down with their malicious "random-votes")
What a nice vision :)

Anyway, of course, Nogrod is right... well, I will be a minimalist here and just hope that the random votes will at least end with Day 1. And if possible, of course, that the people who are going to vote yet will avoid them.

I'm not keen on this "confusion" or anti-keenness towards Nog's "newfound aggressiveness". He was similar the last game, and he was innocent. This game, I think he just has more material to back up his 'lynch the quiet' stance.

I agree with the quit roleplaying. Or at least make sure you have enough game related material to counter the banter, in-character stuff. Otherwise, you can just float through the game - looking like you are being helpful and pro-innocent, when you are truly hiding behind your created character.

All right, Isabell actually continues to scare me: it is basically that when you appear to post, you agree with a few people and then go again. Sort of unconflicting behavior - and you are giving input of your own.

Isabellkya is actually one of those I am considering for my voting. Others could come from the list of people I am watching: wilwa, sally, Eomer... I am more positive on Kent now after he started to post some substance. Let's see, I will think now about my vote.

Isn't Nilp known for voting for himself? Even has a .. catch phrase? 'Nilping yourself'?
Is he? Really? If so, then okay. (Well, not "okay", but at least nothing bad with that.)

Edit: x-ed after Lommy

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Interesting you don't feel the need to say the same about Wilwa (never says anything on Day1), Kath (always excuses herself from Day1) or anyone else being like they are in most of the games they're in...


I appolegise for not replying to this earlier.
I did not say it about Wilwa because I have not played with her for years, I simply cannot remember how she usually plays.

Kath has done this before, at least in some of the latter games, but it could
be chance that has made it so and I do remeber games when she was active on day 1.

Your comments on the other hand was 100% deliberate. . .there in lies the differense.

That being said. . .maybe I should have said something about Kath, but I am not with out flaws.

(oh and btw, Nogrod you are no trophy)

Well, simply - because if she says she has RL things to do, I can excuse her. Of course, for now - if she were doing this every day and saying "oh, sorry, I can't post" then of course, it would be nonsense. But it is just Day 1, and if such a thing happens once - well, it can happen to any of us, right?


I don't see the difference in Brinn being busy and Kath saying she cannot post until she has slept. . . If you are pro lynching quiet people, just because they are quiet, then surely it does not matter why they are quiet?

We shouldn't lynch hypocrits either, it may be morally compromising to be hypocritical, but being a hypocrit doth not a Ringwraith make - or frankly we'd all be wraiths. If you believe a quiet one a Ringwraith make than vote for the quiet one do not abstain because you fear hypocrisy.


I think what Wilwa ment was that she would feel like a hypocrit if she voted for a silent person, just because the person was silent.



Oh and there must be coming a lot of great votes now. . .backed with a ton of evidence, without a shred of randomness in them. Well, that must be the conclusion after reading through peoples complaints about the voting.


EDIT: Cross Posted with Legate and Eonwe

[Isabellkya]

True Nog, but it was mostly directed at Legate's #59..
Okay, otherwise: Nilp's appearance and self-vote does not look good to me at all, why is he doing that? I think that's a bit silly, if nothing else. I mean, it's a way of bringing attention, of course, but he could have as well not voted at all. This is just asking for attention.

The entire concept of suspecting someone, or having ill feelings towards someone; based purely on their standard behavior practices, is really silly.

Suspecting Nilp because he self-voted, well he does that frequently. True, it does not make him innocent, nor does it make him evil, it just makes him - him.

I can provide other examples. I just find the entire concept a bit silly. 'tis like suspecting someone because their name starts with a particular letter.

X'd with Rune, Legate and Eonwe.

[Kent2010]

++Rune

I disagree with Eomer that Rune's vote was the only "sensible" one of the bunch. Rune said his vote was 98% random, how is that sensible? Also, his reason for voting Izzy was she feels 'too careful?' I know now not to expect much out of Day 1 reasons, but I am more worried about someone slapping on a general feeling of uneasiness, then a random early vote, or people making role-playing posts.

I will continue to attempt role playing syle posts, when the time seems right, because afterall the name is Jeremy and I am an entertainer. We all are entertainers of sorts, seeing this is mirth and mirth is fun. :p The way I see it, we chose characters for a reason, why choose them if we are to not have fun with them?

Edit: was interrupted by having to set up a table crossed with everyone since Nogrod's post

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't see the difference in Brinn being busy and Kath saying she cannot post until she has slept. . . If you are pro lynching quiet people, just because they are quiet, then surely it does not matter why they are quiet?

I was not speaking about Kath either. I was speaking generally. I simply agree with the fact that quiet people are no good, but of course, they may have their reasons. But they need to have the reasons. Somebody is busy toDay, okay, I can pardon him, but if he keeps doing that with no particular reason, I am on Nog's side. I am here for the DL, so I can wait, if I wanted to vote somebody quiet, until the very end of the Day if somebody who posted nothing before does not post something of substance (especially after being warned or such).

As to who that would be... well, I am still thinking of Isabellkya. She might be as well my pick #1 for toDay. But still a short time till DL.

EDIT: x-ed with Isabellkya and Kent

[Nienna]

++ Sally

*sorry dear* *cough cough* "I mean ... GARRRR... Walk the Plank"

Your vote for Nog worries me a bit. It almost seems like a bandwagon vote and those are never good. Nog was being a little zealous but I addressed my issue with that and he doesn't seem suspicious to me.

[Nogrod]

Brinn for Sally
I'll lurk around for another hour or so and see if I can get any sort of hunches that could lead to a vote aside from randomnessInterestingly not contributing anything meanwhile...
Everyone else shall be victim to my randomness. Crap, I really hate doing this but I suppose it's better than no vote at all. Either way someone's gonna hate me for it.

Meh, she won't mind too much (err...or at least I hope not).

Not good. Not good at all.


Shasta for Nogrod
Have we got a bilge rat of a Nogrod picking fights and causing dissension? I'll have you keelhauled, just you wait, if you keep this up.In his third (and last) post he voted me with no comments whatsoever considering his vote.

Three posts all of them basiclly oneliners. First a rant, second the one I quoted above and the last saying too much rum and going to be more active toMorrow. Anyone thinking that's an effort worth survival? I'm not.

Nilp for Nilp
The famous self-vote. Could be anything. Annoys me a lot - like it always does.

Rune for Izzy
Of these Isabel seems to be the most careful. . .could be a sign of an evil doer trying not to expose her self. (Or it could just be a day 1 post)

So basicly this vote is 98% random.Why did you need to add that last one about 98% random? That is suspicious indeed.

Wilwa for Eomer
So I have to vote now. I won't vote for anyone who hasn't posted, anyone who is new, anyone who has only posted little ones like myself (don't want to be hypocritical), or anyone who has already gotten a vote (don't want to start a chain or anything) . So I believe that leaves (and doing this off by memory to save the little time I have): Legate, Rune and Eomer. Rune, I have to admit that I love him, haven't played with him in a very long time, so I don't want to vote for him. So between Eomer and Legate, I shall toss a coin. Heads Legate, Tails Eomer.
Sorry! Process of elimination really and then some randomness Interesting covering up of the motives here. A bit to careful to my taste.

Sally for Nogrod
I just can't help thinking there are darker motives at work with Cap'n Nog.Like? Where did you get that idea? No outspoken reason whatsoever but I already had one vote and the wolves would urely like to see me off... Right? I really dislike her vote. But as there is no reason given it's hard to point out the fault other than a possible malicious intent.

Lhuna for Legate
She has been consistently after Legate the whole Day. I wouldn't want to lose Legate on Day1 without a good reason but she seems persistent. It might be a wolf playing it consistently & intelligently - but if she is she deserves to play more than those innocents who do nothing. So I'm not going to vote for Lhuna toDay.

EDit: X'd with a few...

[Kath]

Hmm, given my lack of posting toDay perhaps I'll let Nog get away with that earlier comment ... my day got a bit full!

But I'll have a wander through the thread and give my thoughts in a bit, assuming I'm right about it being a 9pm deadline for BST. I'm a little worried by this Nog bandwagon. For all that it would be a calmer, quieter game without him I don't particularly see why he's suddenly garnered all these votes. Back in a few.

[Eönwë]

What a nice vision :)

Note that he's phantasizing, as opposed to fantasising (looks a bit wrong to me, but I'm sure that's the correct spelling, at least for us Engliscan-folc).

I feel like I want to make a list, but I'm really not sure what I think about people yet- toDay is Day 1, and an exceptionally quiet one at that. We still have half an hour, as I make it.

[Nogrod]

Note that he's phantasizing, as opposed to fantasising (looks a bit wrong to me, but I'm sure that's the correct spelling, at least for us Engliscan-folc)."ph" is Greek original, "f" is English (or is it just American?). :)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Kent, Rune might have said 98% random but I didn't take that seriously. He seemed to choose Isabellkya because of her careful opening post. Rune was looking for a standard wolf/ringwraith introduction and Isa's fit the bill.

Nothing Isabellkya has posted since has suggested that Rune is way off the mark, at least to me. She isn't really mentioning suspects and seems way too careful thus far.

[Isabellkya]

Legate.
What else do you expect me to do while I catch up on the missed material? Simply read it, and act like it was never spoken? xD


Nog - he is his usual self, and I haven't found anything suspicious with him.

Nilp. He is quiet, and he voted for himself. Usual behavior, I'm not suspicious toDay.

Kent. Not toDay. I don't get how the whole deal making works into the game, and finding the Wraiths. Though I've learned my lesson, and will watch him - since he can be tricksy.

Shasta - I've got my eye on you, like I said I would. If your participation doesn't bolster up, you most likely will get my vote toMorrow; if I'm still alive and there isn't a better candidate.

Rune. I don't believe I've ever played with him before, so I can't judge what is typical behavior and what is not. Watching.

Legate and Eomer - I keep reading their posts as from the same author for some reason. They/him make logical points, though they/him seem to be hovering a bit.

Sally. Oh dear. She is Sally. While I don't like her vote for Nog. I'm just going to watch.

Wilwa, Kath, Brin, Nienna. I've no idea. Quiet. I think Brin is the only typical loud one of the four. Will watch for now.

Nerwen, Lhuna, Eonwe, Groin - no idea really.

X'd since Nienna's #80. Fixed a rogue tag error.

[Nogrod]

Nothing Isabellkya has posted since has suggested that Rune is way off the mark, at least to me. She isn't really mentioning suspects and seems way too careful thus far.And sadly she's not the only one doing exactly that.

If everyone suspected others openly we might start to build the pieces of the puzzle but if they are just nice and jovial not suspecting anyone they sail freely through the Day.

That's the problem.

EDIT: X'd yet again in a grand style... good to hear your thoughts Izzy.

[Eönwë]

Not good. Not good at all.

It might even (if we were to take take it a little extremely) be a wolf apologising to another wolf for having to vote the other to distance themselves.
However, at the very least it looks suspicious. She's also trying to apologise for her voting. Very bad (and wolfish) move, as well as making it seem light.
By the way, I'm referring to Brinn voting Sally here, as it doesn't seem too clear. :rolleyes:

"ph" is Greek original, "f" is English (or is it just American?). :)

Well yes, I knew that, I was just commenting on how its resemblance certain locquacious (that's an understatement) Downer's name, i.e. "phantasizing" (That might make it clearer)

edit: x-ed avec Izzy et Nog

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I was not speaking about Kath either. I was speaking generally. I simply agree with the fact that quiet people are no good, but of course, they may have their reasons. But they need to have the reasons. Somebody is busy toDay, okay, I can pardon him, but if he keeps doing that with no particular reason, I am on Nog's side. I am here for the DL, so I can wait, if I wanted to vote somebody quiet, until the very end of the Day if somebody who posted nothing before does not post something of substance (especially after being warned or such).

As to who that would be... well, I am still thinking of Isabellkya. She might be as well my pick #1 for toDay. But still a short time till DL.

EDIT: x-ed with Isabellkya and Kent

I see. . . so you are a moderate version of Nogrod?

++Rune

I disagree with Eomer that Rune's vote was the only "sensible" one of the bunch. Rune said his vote was 98% random, how is that sensible? Also, his reason for voting Izzy was she feels 'too careful?' I know now not to expect much out of Day 1 reasons, but I am more worried about someone slapping on a general feeling of uneasiness, then a random early vote, or people making role-playing posts.




Rune for Izzy
Why did you need to add that last one about 98% random? That is suspicious indeed.


I shall answer these two together.

I wrote 98% random, because that is essentially what it is!
I felt that Isabel's post seemed very controlled and carefull, but this is based on 1 single post, that hardly makes a proper case. . .

In my post you could read my selection prosses: I had no proper suspects and did not think I could make it back before the deadline. So I had to decide between not voting or making an early voted based on very little evidence, I chose the latter. Then I decided to go for the posts which I had felt indifferent about upon first reading, you know. . . taking a close look at the ones where nothing catched your eye at first. Here I noticed that Isabel's post seemed sort of fabricated.

So there is reasoning behind it, but it is vote based on so little that I would call it a quite random vote.

EDIT: Cross Posted with plenty of people. . .since post 84 or so

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

"ph" is Greek original, "f" is English (or is it just American?). :)

Ancient Greek? I can't remember "ph" nor "h" being in the old Greek alphabet, but F is there for certain.

Legate.
What else do you expect me to do while I catch up on the missed material? Simply read it, and act like it was never spoken? xD

No, of course you may agree on what's been said if you do agree, that's certain. However, don't you have any contributive thoughts of your own? After you spend the time with reading all that's been posted, don't you have anything else to add?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Kent, Rune might have said 98% random but I didn't take that seriously. He seemed to choose Isabellkya because of her careful opening post. Rune was looking for a standard wolf/ringwraith introduction and Isa's fit the bill.

Nothing Isabellkya has posted since has suggested that Rune is way off the mark, at least to me. She isn't really mentioning suspects and seems way too careful thus far.

See that is what I should have wrote, a much better and shorter explanation than the one I just gave.

Anyways I guess it comes down to my use of the word "random"

[Nogrod]

Brinn -> Sally
Shasta -> Nogrod
Nilp -> Nilp
Rune -> Isabellkya
Wilwa -> Eomer
Sally -> Nogrod 2
Lhuna -> Legate
Kent -> Rune
Nienna -> Sally 2

Of those who have garnered votes this far I'd be most happy to vote for Sally basically for bandwaggoning an innocent.

Other ideas? Lots of votes yet to come...

[Isabellkya]

When I add my own thoughts - seems to be the "new" thing to commit it to 'careful' and 'contrived'... or even 'fabricated'. ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I see. . . so you are a moderate version of Nogrod?


Yes, "Nogrod with human face (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_human_face)" :)

Anyway... as for my voting... I might as well go with my vote for Isabellkya now and be done with it, because I can already see the mass floodposting coming in the last few minutes... but then again, if Nogrod was to be lynched, I would not like to see him go now, so maybe I should hold to see...

[Nogrod]

Now what is this "hide and seek"?

If you're online come forwards and share your thoughts!

The wolves would love to sneak around and watch and only act when they know how things are going. As they know what is a good ´result and which is not.

So come forwards. Now!

[Eönwë]

Ancient Greek? I can't remember "ph" nor "h" being in the old Greek alphabet, but F is there for certain.

I think he's referring to the letter "Phi", which we transliterate as "ph" (making the "f" sound), though it may have been pronounced as "ph"(as opposed to "f") in ancient (classical) times.

Anyway, this is no time for philology...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, but let's give it a basis then. I guess the floodposting won't do any good anyway.

++Isabellkya

And here we go.

[Isabellkya]

I don't think I would vote for Sally, unless it was to save Nog from being lynched.

Then again. Lately when I've found her to be suspicious - she has been innocent. So now that I question my thoughts on her, I'm not sure what to think really. I find her suspicious, yet should I reverse it, and think her innocent? No, not comfortable with voting for Sally. Don't want to be responsible for her death again so soon. Though don't have a problem with it, if it means saving Nog whom I think more innocent than she.

Wont vote for myself for obvious reasons.

Won't vote for Nilp, because I'm not suspicious.

Eomer, Legate and Rune it would leave; if I wanted to keep my vote in those already voted for. I'm not comfortable voting with any really; as I don't have strong suspicions for any.

X'd with Legate x2, Eonwe and Nog.

[Nogrod]

Others than Sally I dislike Shasta's vote & overall play toDay (three oneliners).

Also Brinn's actions raise an eyebrow. Wilwa's avoiding of any commitment looks bad also.

[Eönwë]

Kent. Not toDay. I don't get how the whole deal making works into the game, and finding the Wraiths. Though I've learned my lesson, and will watch him - since he can be tricksy.

Might be trying to throw us off the scent or just messsing with our minds. Anyway, I haven't played with him before so I have no idea how he plays.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If permitted tomorrow, I will of course go over the votes in more detail; but for now allow a quick description.

Sally's for Nogrod: dodgy vote, and suspicious.

Lhuna for Legate: that's ok.

Kent for Rune: disagree with it, but wouldn't say it's dodgy.

Nienna for Sally: understandable.

Legate for Isabellkya: also understandable.

[Nogrod]

Then again. Lately when I've found her to be suspicious - she has been innocent. So now that I question my thoughts on her, I'm not sure what to think really. I find her suspicious, yet should I reverse it, and think her innocent? No, not comfortable with voting for Sally.You're just describing me and Rune... :)

[Kath]

Listy listy. One day I'll learn to do something more interesting.

Eomer - I love the first post. :D That said, banter. Ha, Eomer thought the same about Leggy's speaky uppy bit. Fair point about Nog. Keen on Eomer right now, he's thinking along the same lines. Probably means he's a wolf but there you go. Doesn't like wilwa's reasons for eliminating people, fair enough. List. Innocent: Shasta, Nilp, Rune. Guilty: Brinn, wilwa, Legate, Nienna. Ish. Feels there are dodgy votes, but then they were the early votes, and they're usually pretty odd.

Legate - basically ... excuse me but I can't really remember how any of you play. Dear oh dear, I'll need some leeway for that. Followed by please talk all, not that he'd said much yet. List away! Innocent: Nienna, Rune. Everyone he's not sure.

Shasta - banter. Votes Nog with no reasoning. Not keen. If you can vote you can give a reason. I don't care if it's a rubbish reason but I want one.

Nog - *sigh* The usual. I think trying to help Kent understand about 'deals'. Came across a little telling-off style but actually made sense. Lists every single person in the game and says he might vote for them, therefore entirely pointless. There's posting for the sake of posting you know Nog. Ah arguing with him would be a joyous thing to do, but a waste of time, so I won't. Now Nienna looks better, despite the fact that since he left all she did was argue with him not post anything actually game related. Brinn and wilwa worse.

wilwa - ... interesting. Not her usual style. Votes Eomer via elimination. My usual style so I can't complain!

Nienna - argues with Nog. I really wouldn't. It'll just make it like every single other Day one in every single other game he plays.

Rune - haha, same for Rune as Eomer actually. Says Nog seems more aggressive than usual. Bit of a flip flop on what he thinks about Legate. First likes his list, then says inconsistent in the space of two posts. Lists people he hasn't got a read on, votes Izzy for being careful.

Nerwen - says be suspicious of Brinn for random vote. Legate inconsistent but sally still suspicious.

Lhuna - has no worries about Nog. Joking suspicion of Legate.

Izzy - remembers the old adage that two warring people are more than likely to be innocents, and it is worth remembering.

sally - bit worried about Nog it seems. Clearly I missed something major regarding the last game. Not keen on Rune either it seems.

Brinn - no one is allowed to vote Brinn! She's had bad times and we want to cheer her up not make it worse. :D Votes sally randomly having limited the numbers.

Nilp - votes himself, and Nog complains about everyone else being predictable! :rolleyes:

Hmm, I'm out of time. Will post this now and then vote.

[Kath]

Anyone got a vote count handy?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'd like to save Nogrod so I will most likely vote for Isabellkya or Sally, and I'm glad it's down to those two as they are both suspicious-looking to me anyway.

[Eönwë]

Sally, I don't think now is a good time for lists. Only 3 minutes till DL!:eek:

[Isabellkya]

A three way tie. I'm tempted to leave it this way.
Because tie's are always fun to watch get rolled.

Then it would be a more random Day one lynching.

[Nogrod]

Brinn -> Sally
Shasta -> Nogrod
Nilp -> Nilp
Rune -> Isabellkya
Wilwa -> Eomer
Sally -> Nogrod 2
Lhuna -> Legate
Kent -> Rune
Nienna -> Sally 2
Legate -> Izzy 2

[Nogrod]

A three way tie. I'm tempted to leave it this way.
That's bad...

[Isabellkya]

Pfft. Wrong push of a button.

++ Sally

Sorry dear. I would rather vote for you; compared to myself or Nog.


X'd since my last post, and corrected an M with an N.

[Kath]

Given Izzy's post I'll vote her. An innocent shouldn't risk such a thing.

++IZZY

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++isabellkya

[Kath]

Argh cross- posted!

EDIT: Phew, Eomer.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Like I said: floodposting...

[Eönwë]

Well, lets see. We have a three way tie. If people are just going to go last minute crazy then I don't know what'll happen. I don't want to kill Nog yet, and I've been killing Sally off too much in the past when she's innocent, so

++Izzy

edit: x-ed since Nog's #108

[Isabellkya]

Bye bye village,. Such bad wolfies they are.

[Nogrod]

++ Sally

EDIT: Dang... I hoped I was in time... but it seems I was not.

[Thinlómien]

End of Day1, stop posting.

Isabellkya was lynched.

I will check the votes now and then reveal her role, because due to me spending the past hour or so studying and MSNing instead of sketching a narration, it won't be ready very soon...

Ringwraiths, you may start plotting and then send me your pick. Gifteds, you may submit picks too.

[Thinlómien]

"What a distasteful deed, truly!"
"Could there be a greater mark of dishonor than killing the hostess?"
"My my my, what a terrible happening."

The guests were appalled at the horror of the nightly deed. Most of them, at least. Some of them let their misantrophic tendencies to show instead:

"I should think, if we are to be slaughtered, that we won't be a great loss..." Eomer muttered. " So, now, let's see, kill all humans, yes, well..."

But sooner rather than later, they started discussing the actual matters at hand: Kent tried to make mysterious deals with King Legate, Sally and Nilp planned an elopment and Eönwë, Legate and Nogrod debated about philology. Captain Nogrod also attacked the quiet so ferociously that the others nicknamed him "zealot". Some also promoted the pirate dialect and Queen Nerwen even started singing drinking songs. In the end, however, they decided somebody had better ”walk the plank” (as Nienna would have phrased it), and unfortunately for her, that somebody was to be Lady Isabellkya.

She faced her doom with a calm. ”Bye bye”, she said, when Rune, Legate, Kath, Eomer and Eönwë stabbed her with knives they had found from the kitchen.

Isabellkya lay unmoving on the floor and nothing happened.
”Now what is this supposed to tell us?” wondered Shasta.
”Plain enough!” said Brinn. ”She was innocent, so the murderer is somebody else. I say we kill Sally too.”
”Good idea!” agreed Nienna.
”Yarr,” echoed Nogrod, but his voice was lost in the noise that started at the other end of the room.

”You shall definitely not kill anyone else today!” Lord Thinroz shouted, standing up and walking to his guests. ”There has been enough innocent blood today and I will tolerate no more killing in this house. Go to sleep!”

Frightened and baffled by the sudden outburst, the lords and sorcerers exchanged sheepish glances and retreated to their bedrooms.

~*~

Dead
Lommy (mod) - Lady Lómiel Starbrow, the hostess – killed on Night1
Isabellkya (ordo) - lynched on Day1

Alive
Kath
Nienna - pirate
Kent2010 - Black Númenórean scam artist
Legate of Amon Lanc - rebelling Haradian King
Nogrod - Corsair Captain "The Cat O' Nine tails of Ethir Anduin"
Shastanis Althreduin - King of the Sea
wilwarin538 - sorceress
Nerwen - Queen of the Sea
Nilpaurion Felagund - fussy courtier
Rune Son of Bjarne - Tivo the Sorceror
Lhunardawen - rebelling Haradian Queen
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Groin Redbeard - Variag Warlord of Khand
satansaloser2005
Eönwë
Brinniel

[Thinlómien]

Once again, the four met in the moonlit salon. One of them had the four swords with him.
”It was not too difficult to find them... that silly woman had locked them up with brooms and other cleaning equipment,” he chuckled.
”I hope you at least left a dead chicken there to scare her, or something,” one of his allies said in a rather sarcastic tone, picking his sword.
”There are no chickens on this island,” a third one observed in a just as critical tone, taking his sword too.
The last one thought the discussion was not even worth continuing, and picked his sword in silence.

The first one, now holding only his own sword, swung it in a beautiful arch. ”So, who shall we get rid of tonight?”

~*~

In the morning, all of the guests - save one poor soul - woke up and walked downstairs just like the morning before. And just like the morning before, there was a body on the table, four cuts on the right arm.

”Spooky,” Nienna the pirate said with a shiver.
”Interesting,” observed Rune the sorceror.
”Disgusting!” exclaimed the queens Lhuna and Nerwen in unison.

And poor Kath, the body on the table, did not say anything at all.

~*~

Dead
Lommy (mod) - Lady Lómiel Starbrow, the hostess – killed on Night1
Isabellkya (ordo) - lynched on Day1
Kath (ordo) – killed on Night2

Alive
Nienna - pirate
Kent2010 - Black Númenórean scam artist
Legate of Amon Lanc - rebelling Haradian King
Nogrod - Corsair Captain "The Cat O' Nine tails of Ethir Anduin"
Shastanis Althreduin - King of the Sea
wilwarin538 - sorceress
Nerwen - Queen of the Sea
Nilpaurion Felagund - fussy courtier
Rune Son of Bjarne - Tivo the Sorceror
Lhunardawen - rebelling Haradian Queen
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Groin Redbeard - Variag Warlord of Khand
satansaloser2005
Eönwë
Brinniel

Day2 has started. Everybody, feel free to talk. Hunter, feel free to change your pick at any point suitable for you.

[satansaloser2005]

Awwww, Kath! *hugs her, or would if she wasn't dead* To think Nilp and I return to this. The poor dear!


K, which one of you did it and why?


(I'm going to go look at her posts and see what I can find, but be patient since I need to work on my paper that's due tomorrow.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, well. Kath... I think she was not very active yesterDay, was she? I will take a look at her posts more in detail, but my initial impression is that she was not very active, so possibly she has been picked to leave no tracks. I will take a look...

Anyway, another thing to consider might be yesterDay's voting. Basically, there were several choices at the beginning - and by the way, I would hope that toDay we will avoid randomness anymore - but perhaps there may be something determined from the latter voting - though not sure. Because in fact, the decisive voting happened in the last-minute voting fray and in a bit of unclear situation. Kath herself voted for Isabell at the moment when it became equal... I think there can be hardly anything as a reason for kill. So that would really look like a safe kill.

Whatever. I shall look now and see, also if other people manage to show around. I don't think I will be around for a long time now, but if I go to sleep earlier, I should be able to post perhaps also in the morning (my time), at least a bit.

[wilwarin538]

Here and reading, be back shortly with thoughts...

[Kent2010]

Changes from yesterday, I no longer suspect Rune. After further thought, and looking through his posts, just by the way he went after Nogrod pretty good yesterday he looks innocent. Nogrod seems to be a player that wolves would let be, and let him do his own thing, someone they would not want to tangle with unless he became too big of a problem. It could be contrived, but the way Rune went after Nogrod early on yesterday does not seem evil.

Anyways I guess it comes down to my use of the word "random"
-Rune
For me, it really was not the word random, although I did question how Eomer said it was the only one of the bunch that made sense if you yourself said it was '98% random.' It looked more like slapping on a general label (saying Izzy's first post was careful) just said it looked like you had some reason to it. However, Izzy's posts further in the day definitely did look careful.

My only question is why Izzy, why not wilwarin? The way she explained her vote as Legate said made it look like she was voting to not look suspicious and not necessarily the person she most suspected. Also, post 61 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595188&postcount=61)just has careful written all over it.

My other question (for everyone to start the day), what is with the multiple people saying "If I live," "If I stay alive...," or similar words?

In post 39 Brinn says "shall I survive..."
Shasta in 42 says"If I live..." and promises to do more today
wilwarin in 51 says "If I make it"
and
Izzy in 86 said "If I am still alive..."

Izzy turned out to be a known innocent, but Ijust don't like these types of phrases, because it just seems unecessary, or at least unnecessary at this point of the game. If the person who says it is a wolf, it looks like a clever way to protect yourself from a lynch because it reads as "I am going to do more tomorrow, and see I am already thinking ahead...IF I survive!" I am curious to what others think about this, maybe it's just that I still don't know the 'lingo,' or is it something more evil?

And I have completely flipped about Nogrod - more later...if I am still alive! :p (I just couldn't resist the melodrama.)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

1) Mentions no-one.

2) Thinks Nogrod should be fairer on her but no big deal really.

3) Thinks that people should lay off Nogrod.

4) Her list post:

She has a good feeling about yous truly, Eomer.

She has a bad feeling about Shasta.

5) Asks for vote tally.

6) Votes Isabellkya, finding her last post suspicious. Here's Izzy's post:

A three way tie. I'm tempted to leave it this way.
Because tie's are always fun to watch get rolled.

Then it would be a more random Day one lynching.

Now, don't jump on me for saying this, but the only way the Wraiths think she was the Seer is because she listed everyone and said that she has a good feeling about precisely one of them: and that's Eomer. I don't consider her bad feeling about Shasta to indicate Seer-dom because it was a straight-forward vote-based criticism that anyone could have made.

Now, I always think of finding the Seer first so those are my first thoughts. It could just be that she leaves no trail whatsoever, but I'm never sure Wraiths would kill like that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, so basically Kath has said really nothing much, except replying to Nogrod once or twice and voting, and only in her post #103 she says something about everyone - but it seems to me that not to much conclusions. She more or less rather states on who is doing what, but does not make many conclusions - it seems also that she's been in a hurry to vote before DL yet, so she could not elaborate more. Anyway, my opinion after going through this and thinking about it would be indeed that she was picked to leave no tracks. Can't think of anything better.

[Eönwë]

Kath?

Now the only reason I can think of her death is, as has already been stated, that she hasn't left any strong trails (I'm going to reread her posts after this just in case). She also doesn't seem to have stood out too much in Day 1, at least to my mind, which would probably make her a typical Night 1 kill.

This most upsetting, because not only was she one of us innocents, but she was also the only one who came from my far country.

Hmm.... what have you others who have not shown your faces to say to this horrendous murder?

edit: x-ed with Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

My other question (for everyone to start the day), what is with the multiple people saying "If I live," "If I stay alive...," or similar words?

In post 39 Brinn says "shall I survive..."
Shasta in 42 says"If I live..." and promises to do more today
wilwarin in 51 says "If I make it"
and
Izzy in 86 said "If I am still alive..."

Izzy turned out to be a known innocent, but Ijust don't like these types of phrases, because it just seems unecessary, or at least unnecessary at this point of the game. If the person who says it is a wolf, it looks like a clever way to protect yourself from a lynch because it reads as "I am going to do more tomorrow, and see I am already thinking ahead...IF I survive!" I am curious to what others think about this, maybe it's just that I still don't know the 'lingo,' or is it something more evil?
Well, Kent, my personal opinion would be that it is a bit of a slang and people sometimes say it (even I know I did in some games) - however it is true that one can never know, as it might be used by a Wraith to sort of try to seem "oh, I just hope they won't kill me toNight" - well of course they won't, when it's one of them...

Now, don't jump on me for saying this, but the only way the Wraiths think she was the Seer is because she listed everyone and said that she has a good feeling about precisely one of them: and that's Eomer. I don't consider her bad feeling about Shasta to indicate Seer-dom because it was a straight-forward vote-based criticism that anyone could have made.

Now, I always think of finding the Seer first so those are my first thoughts. It could just be that she leaves no trail whatsoever, but I'm never sure Wraiths would kill like that.

Okay, that sounds a bit too far-fetched to me, in my opinion. Kath's list seems more unclear than clear to me, although it is possible that the Wraiths have thought in such a way as you write, but in my opinion that's quite complicated thought. Mainly, it presupposes one thing - that you are innocent, and also that the Wraiths would think the way you do. Unless you are using this yourself to make us (in a rather complicated way) believe that you are innocent while you are Wraith, I won't give it much credit, personally. It does not make much sense to me to say that (even if you were a Wraith, because it is so complicated...).

Anyway, I will be here just for a while now probably and then go to sleep... so see you in some time then, probably.

[Nogrod]

I have an early morning call tomorrow so I will just make a few points now. I'll be back later on toDay.

About Kath.

She really was more active on Day1 like in ages (she normally posts once or not at all on Day1 and then explains on Day2 she had forgotten / had other stuff / was late etc. - I mean that for real: she has done that like twenty times, it's her tactics of getting through Day1's). So that sudden activity yesterDay made me think she could be a ringwraith... which she most clearly wasn't. But if the baddies thought along the same lines then this is the result; as she was no baddie then they thought she was a gifted of some sort willing to play more actively for that (not to be lynched fex.).

Her posts don't look too seerish to me unless Eomer is one of the culprits - which he of course has neatly tried to counter already toDay. But they might have thought her any gifted - and as people have said, there's not too much a track her death will leave. So a reasonable kill from the baddie's point of view.


About Sally.

I still have a bad feeling about her due to her actions yesterDay and her first post toDay doesn't make her look any less suspicious. On the contrary. The half playful tone of the lament feels false and looks foul.


About Rune.

Anyway Rune manages to be my top suspect right now with a slight margin over Sally.

Now there's nothing bad in one getting back to posting before the DL after one has said he has no possibility for that and has therefore voted early. No problem with that. No problem whatsoever (eg. this is no sarcasm but a plain fact). It's good people can get back and try to help in the voting-process even if they have themselves voted already in a game of no retractions.

But what did Rune actually do there in the end of the Day? Well he defended himself - even if no one had made any strong suspicions on him or none was actually entertaining the idea of lynching him (except for Kent that is).

And then like twenty minutes before the deadline, with all the hair-raising last minute hassle to come, he just backs away never to show his face anymore on that Day.

That is the blunder the wolves (and cobblers) do time and time again: when the lynch is going nicely from their POV they just lean back and relax - and try to be careful not to mess with anything controversial in the end of the Day. But that non-involvement is exactly the thing that betrays them. It has not been just once or twice this has happened. And this looks like a case straight out from the "Werewolf-handbook of catching the villains".

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Actually, hey, Eomer...

4) Her list post:

She has a good feeling about yous truly, Eomer.

She has a bad feeling about Shasta.

...really? Because it certainly does not seem to me like that. Unless I missed something, she says only:

Eomer - I love the first post. :D That said, banter. Ha, Eomer thought the same about Leggy's speaky uppy bit. Fair point about Nog. Keen on Eomer right now, he's thinking along the same lines. Probably means he's a wolf but there you go. Doesn't like wilwa's reasons for eliminating people, fair enough. List. Innocent: Shasta, Nilp, Rune. Guilty: Brinn, wilwa, Legate, Nienna. Ish. Feels there are dodgy votes, but then they were the early votes, and they're usually pretty odd.

Shasta - banter. Votes Nog with no reasoning. Not keen. If you can vote you can give a reason. I don't care if it's a rubbish reason but I want one.

Which, both of that, does not indicate anything strong for me. She maybe indicates feeling a bit good about you in some way, but it's promptly eliminated by "probably means he's a wolf..." - certainly in such a way that it'd be quite weird, I think, to take it as Seerish hint.

The same with Shasta - "not keen" is not any clear judgement for me.

I think you are reaching too far.

EDIT: x-ed with Nog

[wilwarin538]

A list:

Izzy - 35: says day ones are difficult, shouldn't find people guilty for being their usual day 1 selves, 69: not worried about Nog, agrees the RPing should stop, 77: thought Legate was being silly about the Nilp vote, 86: made a list, 98: talks about her possible vote, 107: the reason for her death, wants to keep the tie, after Nog doesn't like that, votes Sally....dies, is innocent

Kath - #17: says hi, 40: points out that she said morrow and not Morrow, 82: confused about possible Nogrod bandwagon, 103: nice long list, 111: votes Izzy cause of "the post"....dies, is innocent

Nienna - #24: says hi, will be back, has no inclinations since it is Day 1, 37: defends herself to Nogrod, says she wants to participate more in this game, 80: votes Sally because of her Nog vote

Kent - #12: introduces his character to Legate, 16: wants to make a deal with Legate, 63: pretty random comments, but long, 78: votes Rune,

Legate - #6: describes how he is familiar with some and not with others, says there isn't much to say Day 1 but wants people to talk, 8: says Eomer is disrespectful, then says that's not really important, 9: comment on Shasta's post, 11: calls Eomer a terrible person, 13: comments on Kent, then says everyone should try to say more important things, 15: repeats that, 23: happy there is discussion, will be back later, is optimistic, 44: nice long list, so not rewriting all that, 59: thinks people should stop RPing, doesn't like my vote reasoning, doesn't like Nilp's vote (though he almost always does that, if he didn't then we should worry), keeping an eye on Sally, 65/66: blur for everyone, except feels good about Eomer and Legate, 70: says he's never played with me, when he has once, but doesn't like my reasoning either, 94: considers voting Izzy, 97: votes Izzy, seems to expect a bangwagon

Nogrod -#18: jumps down Kath's throat about her not coming back til toMorrow, when she meant her RL morrow then random pirate jibberish and such, 21: doesn't like that Kent tried to make a deal with Legate, calls Eomer hasty, says he will vote for a "non-participater", 25: makes some lists, says again he will vote for a 0 poster, thinks Legate innocent, 28: goes on a long rant about Nienna, 30: responds to Rune's dislike, says "suspect" numerous times, 31: says he loves Eomer, 67: doesn't really like any of the votes so far, 81: comments on all the votes so far, 92: wants to vote Sally for bandwagoning on him, 95: wants people to talk, 117: votes Sally too late

Shasta - #7: shock, 32: one liner, calls Nogrod a rat, 42: votes Nogrod

Nerwen - #33: agrees with her "husband", says they shouldn't trust the sorceror (yikes), 50: seems to be suspicious of Brinn, 57: now suspicious of me as well, and all my sorcery and such,

Wilwa - #20: talk about random stuff and how Day 1 is so hard, 51: try to use my most logical reasoning possible to try to find someone to randomly vote for, comes down to Legate or Eomer, coin toss for Eomer, 61: defend my reasoning

Nilp - #46: wants to elope with Sally, 47: surprise surprise, votes himself

Rune - #22: random comments, 27: doesn't like Nogrod's 25 post either, says he will probably vote for him, 41: says Nog is being aggressive, 48: likes Legate's list, 49: makes a little list, votes Izzy, 76: defends himself and a couple others, 89: defends his vote choice

Lhuna - #34: likes Eomer, calls Nogrod abrasive, Legate rubs her the wrong way, 62: thinks Nog and Eomer innocent, worried about Legate and Shasta, ok with Brinn, doesn't like Sally's reaction to Brinn, 64: votes Legate

Eomer - #5: doesn't care if we all die, 10: random, 14: random comment on something Legate said, 19: comments on Nogrod, kinda likes his approach but kinda doesn't, 26: doesn't like Noggy's post in 25, 29: calls Nogrod a zealot, says he will vote for someone who wants friends, says humbug, 45: seems to be leaning towards Nogrod, 52: doesn't think my vote was reasonable, 53: quick little list, 56: talks about votes so far, 85: agrees with Rune's vote, 101: quick comments on all the votes, 105: wants to save Nog, will vote for Izzy or Sally, 112: simply votes Izzy

Groin - nothing

Sally - #36: a little list of everyone who's spoken, pretty random comments that had already been spoken, 43: says she would vote Nogrod over Rune, 58: agrees to elop with Nilp, votes Nogrod

Eönwë - #72: sticks his head in quickly, 83: something about "ph" and "f", considering making a list, 88: seems to be suggesting that Brinn and Sally could be wraiths, 96: keeps on about the Greek letter phi (which can represent both "ph" and "f", just to clear that up), 115: also votes Izzy

Brinniel - #38: says she never has much to say on Day 1 and that this time is no different, 39: uses logic similar to mine and votes Sally

Wow, that was hard. Ok.....give me a little bit to ponder, then I'll be back with my actual oppinions. This really helped me get organised....

[Nogrod]

Oh, and by the way, Izzy kind of made her own death-warrant with her third-last minute post of wishing to have a threeway-tie.

Kath (a known innocent), Eomer and Eönwë jumped to it - as I thought of doing as well for a moment (when I counted I was not myself in danger any more I dared to try Sally hoping for other last minute votes for her against Izzy whom I didn't feel that suspicious - even counting that terrible comment). It gives the two a nice shield to defend their vote so if one of them is a wolf Izzy gave them a free ticket to hide there. :(

And Legate, if you're still around, you were talking about suspecting Sally, Wilwa, Eomer and Izzy like half of the Day - with no especially good "cases" against anyone of them (well, who has good cases on Day1 anyway?). But then you seemed to reverse yourself to a one-track-mind behaviour only concentrating on Izzy on the last hours and voting for her safely before the hassle in the end. I may be grasping at straws here but why did you stop suspecting the other three? Why weren't you entertaining the others as possible lynchees? Why did you tihnk Izzy more suspicious than Sally fex.?

Okay. To bed now...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Changes from yesterday, I no longer suspect Rune. After further thought, and looking through his posts, just by the way he went after Nogrod pretty good yesterday he looks innocent. Nogrod seems to be a player that wolves would let be, and let him do his own thing, someone they would not want to tangle with unless he became too big of a problem. It could be contrived, but the way Rune went after Nogrod early on yesterday does not seem evil.


For me, it really was not the word random, although I did question how Eomer said it was the only one of the bunch that made sense if you yourself said it was '98% random.' It looked more like slapping on a general label (saying Izzy's first post was careful) just said it looked like you had some reason to it. However, Izzy's posts further in the day definitely did look careful.

My only question is why Izzy, why not wilwarin? The way she explained her vote as Legate said made it look like she was voting to not look suspicious and not necessarily the person she most suspected. Also, post 61 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595188&postcount=61)just has careful written all over it.


Why not Wilwa?

I don't know. . .I am quite indifferent about Wilwa, I have absolutely no opinion about her. (In the game)

Anyways I like the way you question everything, it is refreshing.

About Rune.

Anyway Rune manages to be my top suspect right now with a slight margin over Sally.

Now there's nothing bad in one getting back to posting before the DL after one has said he has no possibility for that and has therefore voted early. No problem with that. No problem whatsoever (eg. this is no sarcasm but a plain fact). It's good people can get back and try to help in the voting-process even if they have themselves voted already in a game of no retractions.

But what did Rune actually do there in the end of the Day? Well he defended himself - even if no one had made any strong suspicions on him or none was actually entertaining the idea of lynching him (except for Kent that is).

And then like twenty minutes before the deadline, with all the hair-raising last minute hassle to come, he just backs away never to show his face anymore on that Day.

That is the blunder the wolves (and cobblers) do time and time again: when the lynch is going nicely from their POV they just lean back and relax - and try to be careful not to mess with anything controversial in the end of the Day. But that non-involvement is exactly the thing that betrays them. It has not been just once or twice this has happened. And this looks like a case straight out from the "Werewolf-handbook of catching the villains".

Look everyone, Nogrod suspects me! This is the closest thing to proof of my innocens you will ever get.

Anyways I cannot defend my self against his arguments, because it is based on when I post and not what I post. He is actually right in some way, because I did sit back and followed end of the day. I had very little to say and it was not extremely important for me who was lynched, as long as it was not me.

EDIT: Cross posted with Nogrod

[Nogrod]

I was just going to turn the PC off when I saw this one... :D
Look everyone, Nogrod suspects me! This is the closest thing to proof of my innocens you will ever get.

Anyways I cannot defend my self against his arguments, because it is based on when I post and not what I post. He is actually right in some way, because I did sit back and followed end of the day. I had very little to say and it was not extremely important for me who was lynched, as long as it was not me.Wrong (the bolded part), as you yourself kind of admit in the follow-up. You seem to forget the important part of what you did there in the end of the Day... you defended yourself for nonexistent threats. Which is the way the baddies see the world: threats everywhere and everyone ready to lynch them. And really, I don't know about you but at least I'm very much interested in who gets lynched even if I'm not myself in danger (which is rare indeed). Innocents have a common cause and insecurity about how the lynchings go. The baddies know the different outcomes in advance and in a good situation they can sit back and relax. Which I think you were doing - and which you even admit.

Trust me, I have caught a number of wolves from that behaviour (and a cobbler in the last game). :smokin:

Okay. Enough today. More tomorrow.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, now I am to go to sleep... just now...

Oh, wilwa, sorry if we played together and I did not remember: but if it was in some of the recent games, it was probably so that I died sometime on Day 1, so I hope you can excuse me that I don't remember much interaction with you :)

And a short reply...

And Legate, if you're still around, you were talking about suspecting Sally, Wilwa, Eomer and Izzy like half of the Day - with no especially good "cases" against anyone of them (well, who has good cases on Day1 anyway?). But then you seemed to reverse yourself to a one-track-mind behaviour only concentrating on Izzy on the last hours and voting for her safely before the hassle in the end. I may be grasping at straws here but why did you stop suspecting the other three? Why weren't you entertaining the others as possible lynchees? Why did you tihnk Izzy more suspicious than Sally fex.?
Well, I decided for Isabell at one point, because she just seemed the most likely sneaky person slipping around to me. And I have decided sometime after that to just hold to it and see - because if I kept pondering, I would not end voting at all. I thought that perhaps presenting her as a case could make sense - at first I wanted to wait if there is support for that, because otherwise I could have voted sally (who already had more than one vote at that point, same as you), but the votes were still spread in such a way that it basically did not mean that other people (who had just one vote by then) could not get more votes. Basically, it made no difference for me whether Isa or sally will go (or Eomer or whoever, if somebody started to vote for them), so voting Isa just meant more possibility that one of my suspects will be lynched.

Okay. To bed now...
And me too. Good night, people. Back in several hours... or in the second half of the Day at most.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Wrong (the bolded part), as you yourself kind of admit in the follow-up. You seem to forget the important part of what you did there in the end of the Day... you defended yourself for nonexistent threats. Which is the way the baddies see the world: threats everywhere and everyone ready to lynch them. And really, I don't know about you but at least I'm very much interested in who gets lynched even if I'm not myself in danger (which is rare indeed). Innocents have a common cause and insecurity about how the lynchings go. The baddies know the different outcomes in advance and in a good situation they can sit back and relax. Which I think you were doing - and which you even admit.


I always reply when people say something about me, unless I deem it unimportant.

About the lynching. . .you said it your self well, who has good cases on Day1 anyway?
I knew I did not have a good case and that more often than not, it is an ordo who is lynched on day 1. . . Why would I go out and try to convince everyone to vote Isabel, when I was not at all sure of her guilt?
I am only obligated to tell why I vote as I do, I don't have to campaign for others to do the same.

Anyways I need sleep as well, so you will have to wait for a bit before I do any analysing.

[wilwarin538]

Oh, wilwa, sorry if we played together and I did not remember: but if it was in some of the recent games, it was probably so that I died sometime on Day 1, so I hope you can excuse me that I don't remember much interaction with you :)


haha, no worries, to be honest the yesterDay I wasn't sure whether we had played together and had to go back and see, and it turns out we were both in Sally's game. Just thought it was funny that both of us had chosen to forget that game. :p

Anyway, down to business, some thoughts I meant to put down about half an hour ago before I was interrupted by the phone:


Now, don't jump on me for saying this, but the only way the Wraiths think she was the Seer is because she listed everyone and said that she has a good feeling about precisely one of them: and that's Eomer. I don't consider her bad feeling about Shasta to indicate Seer-dom because it was a straight-forward vote-based criticism that anyone could have made.

Now, I always think of finding the Seer first so those are my first thoughts. It could just be that she leaves no trail whatsoever, but I'm never sure Wraiths would kill like that.

Uhm, I disagree with you, and agree with Legate. Saying she's "keen" on you and then joking you're probably a wolf is not a good Kath-seer hint, she would have been far sneekier about any seer hints, and atleast one, if not more, of the wraiths would have known that about her.

I believe Kath was simply killed for being a safe kill. I'm very sure that Wraiths would kill like that, it's a totally logical way to go, they don't want to leave a trail, I know I've done it in past games as a baddie.

So basically, I don't think there's much info to get out of her posts. We should probably focus on the living, not the dead. Until maybe a few more Nights have passed, perhaps a pattern may arise from the Night choices and then Kath's death can be reconsidered then. But now, I believe it's not worth the time.

So anyway, here are my basic thoughts at this time about everyone:

Nienna: Her first post about waiting til there's more discussion is odd, but I can somewhat relate to that. I'm terrible at Day 1 banter and therefore participate very little, Nienna is probably like that aswell. I'm going to wait to see more of her before trying to form any sort of opinion. By Day 2, I'm sure she's bound to have more to say, if not then suspicion is possible for her.

Kent: I don't know, only a few posts, not much to go on, I believe this is his first game (correct me if I'm wrong), I'm gonna wait on him aswell, but I have to admit I was getting a negative vibe.

Legate: As I was reading through his posts from yesterDay at first I didn't like him too much, but now more and more I'm starting to feel good about him. I can honestly say I'm very glad the coin-toss didn't result in me voting him. Actually back in my post about yesterDays posting I think I may have put something in there meant for someone else, about a post on #65/66, will have to go back and check on that.

Nogrod: Well, he is Nogrod. I don't know, he is indeed aggressive, but I don't see that as really being anything new. So I'm iffy right now.

Shasta: Not at all much to go one. So nothing.

Nerwen: Doesn't like us sorcerors :p. I don't believe she voted, which I don't like, I think people are better voting early if they think there is a chance they won't be here on time, but seem to remember this being a usual Nerwen thing, though she was a baddie last time I played with her and she did this, so I don't really know. I'm keeping my eyes on her.

Nilp: is Nilp. For now, there's nothing else.

Rune: An old friend, haven't played with him in ages, and really can't remember his usual style, so nothing really to compare to. Though is very defensive, not only of himself but he is quick to defend others, which I don't actually see as totally bad, especially cause he defended me slightly yesterDay. But still.....yeah, not sure, but definitely not loving right now.

Lhuna: Consistent, which is good, stuck to Legate from the beginning, not really getting any overly negative vibes for now.

Eomer: Hmmm, yeah, not liking this at all. One thing that stands out from the notes I took earlier is that he seems to be leaning towards voting Nog for a while, but then later votes Izzy to save Nog, I'll go back and read the wording again exactly, but from that little bit I don't like it. And his post I commented on earlier doesn't sit well with me either. Later on toDay (after sleep, and re-reading, and discussion and such), I'll have a stronger opinion, but right now I'm leading towards guilty.

Groin: still nothing, at all, unless I missed him in there somewhere. He is still playing right??

Sally: Not a lot. So nothing yet.

Eönwë: Some random stuff, quite obsessed with that greek letter, haha. Not liking, but not strongly enough to vote for, atleast so far toDay.

Brinniel: Had a similar Day 1 to me yesterDay, so I'm OK with her so far, I'll wait and see til there's more.

Alright, so that's it from me for atleast a couple hours. I think I should probably be able to come back on in the next 3 hours or so before sleeping, always a chance that could change though, but I'll try my hardest. Tomorrow is suddenly full for me, but I'll hopefully be on randomly, and my vote will probably be far closer to the deadline. I'll try my best to be on as much as I can.

[Kent2010]

Kent: I don't know, only a few posts, not much to go on,
-wilwarin
Not to call you a hypocrit, and granted I am not lighting this ship on fire with many posts, but in this boat I am in the top half of posters and have more than you. And the phantom's last game was my first. :)

So now onto Nogrod. Out of all the fire and vigor he showed at the beginning, I was quite disappointed with his end performance, and that is why I am flipping my original opinion on him. When it came to the deadline, Nogrod fizzled out, or maybe he would say played more relax.

Your past deadline vote for sally looks bad I do not imagine you to be someone who likes to miss voting. There was a general confusion towards the end, but there is no indication you cross-posted with anyone (including Eonwe's vote before yours) - did you?

And as far as someone looking relaxed it did not seem like you minded whether it was Izzy or sally. In posts 102 and 109 you quote Izzy and say a couple words that looks like it's nudging suspicion towards her way.

Of those who have garnered votes this far I'd be most happy to vote for Sally basically for bandwaggoning an innocent.
-post 93
This is interesting, and this is what I was going to be suspicious of Kath for today, but that is moot now. Anyway, the over-reaction to the two votes against you worries me. First, I would not classify two early votes as a bandwagon - what happened to Izzy yesterday was a bandwagon. And secondly who determined you are innocent?

Okay. At the moment I'm inclined to vote either Groin or Eönwë. But they have an hour to change that inclination.
-post 73
Why didn't you go for Groin then? And why have you not pursued after him today?

[wilwarin538]

Not to call you a hypocrit, and granted I am not lighting this ship on fire with many posts, but in this boat I am in the top half of posters and have more than you. And the phantom's last game was my first.

I'll re-word then: yesterDay there were 6 posts by you, and the first 2 were random in-character Day 1 stuff (which I have no problem with), so 4 posts (even though that's more then my own count) is not enough for me to have a strong enough opinion; only a feeling, which is definitely subject to change and shouldn't cause you any worry for now since there are others that I'm far more unsure of. And I didn't follow phantom's game, I hadn't realised you had been in it, sorry for calling you a noobie. :)

So only 1 post since mine, I don't really have much more to add. I'm off to bed, hopefully I can make it on quickly in the morning, but the rest of my participation toDay will probably be in the last few hours leading up to the deadline.

[Nienna]

I've been trying to keep up but I really haven't had much time to read. I'll be around tomorrow more for a few hours before deadline when I will give more input.

And Sally is still making me nervous.

[Brinniel]

Poor Kath does seem to get eaten a lot early in the game, doesn't she? Probably because she's so quiet and untraceable.

Hmm...I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything; I feel so behind. Strangely, none of the votes towards the end of yesterDay bother me. Usually at least one initially sticks out as particularly bad, but not this time. But surely there's gotta be at least one rotten apple among the end-of-Day voters. That's how it usually ends up.

I need to take a look at the earlier voters too and see if anything sticks out from them. My suspects? Uhhh... The only one who currently worries me is Eomer, and that is all based off gut feeling. I obviously need to give more thought and research to this. I will try to contribute something more before I go to bed, but I am awfully tired and lacking in sleep, so we'll see.

Sorry, as I still won't be able to give outstanding participation toDay, but at least I certainly should be able to do more than yesterDay. For one thing, it looks like I'll have time to post some and then vote tomorrow, which is nice since I really hate voting at night when the thread is dead. And no more randomness, promise. I know you all hate it, and I'd rather be helpful, even if my time is limited.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Interesting how many people bit at that.

"No! No! It can't possibly be a Seer hint! It had to be because Kath left no trail!"

Why so jumpy? I even asked you not to jump at me?

Look at Kath's list. She is neutral about everyone; except she says she is "keen" on Eomer and "not keen" on Shasta. Now, where I come from, "keen" can be significant.

I'm not going to press the point any further, as I'm very far from convinced myself. It's just funny how three (I think) people have jumped on this rejecting it immediately, not even entertaining the notion. This whole decision of leaving Kath-discussion down to "IT WAS A SAFE KILL - THE END" strikes me as lazy.

Back with more later, hopefully, depends how busy work is.

[Nerwen]

Look at Kath's list. She is neutral about everyone; except she says she is "keen" on Eomer and "not keen" on Shasta. Now, where I come from, "keen" can be significant.

I'm not going to press the point any further, as I'm very far from convinced myself. It's just funny how three (I think) people have jumped on this rejecting it immediately, not even entertaining the notion. This whole decision of leaving Kath-discussion down to "IT WAS A SAFE KILL - THE END" strikes me as lazy.

Yes, but to be fair, people might be afraid that you're a wraith taking advantage of the situation to make yourself look innocent. After all, whether they killed her for looking Seerish or not, the fact is that her death doesn't obviously point to anyone, so why would the guilty parties not want it discussed? (Unless there's something in her posts that the innocents haven't noticed.)

But the other question is– why a no-trace kill, if that's indeed what it was? There was plenty of suspicion being thrown around last Night– did no-one manage to suspect a wraith? Or did they, and the wraiths were too afraid of striking the Hunter? Were there no opportunities for them to frame someone else?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Forgive me for my rather brief appearance yesterday (and the attendant fit of madness), but I have just spent the rest of that DAY in the palace of Númenor, attempting to establish an embassy between their island and the land of my origin. Alas that a proper fear of outsiders is not limited to a few men.

However I am glad to return toDAY to this most interesting colloquy . . . A lot of you have forwarded ideas about the death of poor dear Kath the previous NIGHT, and somehow I am relieved that some of us here are thinking--and speaking their thoughts. An exchange of information among people of thought has been one of the paths to enlightenment.

Now I shall wander a bit around the court, listening to conversations I might have missed. *opens fan, covers lower half of the face*

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Yes, but to be fair, people might be afraid that you're a wraith taking advantage of the situation to make yourself look innocent. After all, whether they killed her for looking Seerish or not, the fact is that her death doesn't obviously point to anyone, so why would the guilty parties not want it discussed? (Unless there's something in her posts that the innocents haven't noticed.)

But the other question is– why a no-trace kill, if that's indeed what it was? There was plenty of suspicion being thrown around last Night– did no-one manage to suspect a wraith? Or did they, and the wraiths were too afraid of striking the Hunter? Were there no opportunities for them to frame someone else?

I'm pleased someone else is not happy leaving it at NO TRACE KILL.

The point of Kath's death not obviously pointing to anyone speaks in favour of my hypothesis: namely, Kath left her dream (about me) as a hint. This makes Wilwa's comment that Kath would be sneakier in leaving a hint even odder : if Kath was so entirely unsubtle, why didn't anyone mention the obvious conclusion to draw except me. Well, no-one will take it seriously except me, it seems, and I can hardly gain information about my own role.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Brinniel votes for Sally, apparently because she likes her.

Shasta for Nogrod, apparently because he's stirring up too much trouble.

Nilp for Nilp, apparently because he's still ill.

Rune for Isabellkya, apparently because he sees her as being a bit too careful with her opening post.

Wilwa for Eomer, because of process of elimination then coin-toss.

Sally for Nogrod, for no apparent reason.

Lhuna for Legate, she thinks his posts feel contrived.

Kent for Rune, he didn't like Rune's vote for Izzy.

Nienna for Sally, she didn't like her vote for Nogrod.

Legate for Izzy, because he feels she didn't add any of her own thoughts.

Izzy for Sally, self-defense.

Kath for izzy, for suspicious previous post about leaving a tie.

Eomer for Izzy, not actually for that suspicious post Kath referenced (I hadn't seen it) but because I chose between her or Sally. Izzy just felt too careful and conservative and seemed likely to me.

Eonwe for Izzy, rather her than Sally or Nogrod.

Nogrod for Sally.


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Votes I don't like:

Brinniel, Shasta, Nilp, Wilwa and Sally's. Thing is, though, these are all early votes and the voters had less to go on.

Nothing else stands out... exactly what the Wraiths would want.

Ok, I'm looking for cool, sensible Wraiths now. The ones who made sensible votes that wouldn't attract attention.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

... here be potential smart Wraiths.

I was thinking Rune, but I'm swayed by Kent's doubts. I think it was a fair vote but put in, maybe, a clumsy way. Not sure.

Lhuna, Nienna, Legate, yes - all of these. Eonwe, possibly.

I don't really suspect Nogrod because he's drawn way too much attention to himself. I know he usually does that but he's gone a little bit further, even, in this game so far.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nerwen: Doesn't like us sorcerors :p. I don't believe she voted, which I don't like, I think people are better voting early if they think there is a chance they won't be here on time
I think she said she had computer problems or something? So that isn't as questionable, I think.

Interesting how many people bit at that.

"No! No! It can't possibly be a Seer hint! It had to be because Kath left no trail!"

Why so jumpy? I even asked you not to jump at me?

Look at Kath's list. She is neutral about everyone; except she says she is "keen" on Eomer and "not keen" on Shasta. Now, where I come from, "keen" can be significant.
Where you come from. And as for being jumpy, not sure who is jumpy here, this far I think people merely commented about disagreeing with you. Of course, saying that people should not jump at you could be interpreted as also a sort of "pre-emptive defense", and that of course makes one's attention raised.

But the other question is– why a no-trace kill, if that's indeed what it was? There was plenty of suspicion being thrown around last Night– did no-one manage to suspect a wraith? Or did they, and the wraiths were too afraid of striking the Hunter? Were there no opportunities for them to frame someone else?

Now this is actually good question. The Hunter idea is interesting - however, would the Wraiths really be so much afraid of that? (In that case, they shouldn't dare to kill anybody at all! - Well, not that there would be anything wrong about that ;) ) I mean, there is still the full number of us (okay, now minus two; it was minus one at Night) - so I think mathematically it's not that big chance. The less if the Hunter would manage to pick a Wraith as his target. Okay, another thing to consider might be, let's say, avoiding people who might be likely to be protected by the Ranger - but again, not quite sure who would that be after yesterDay, and also, the same problem as with the Hunter - there's still quite many of us, so the chance is quite small. So I really cannot think of such a reason being this. It really might be just some Wraiths playing it safe from the very beginning, or something else, like there being no better pick as everybody else would suspect some Wraith etc... but that seems a bit farfetched to me too. Hmm... maybe the opportunities to frame somebody else were just too small, so the Wraiths simply would not use the chance? Can't say.

The point of Kath's death not obviously pointing to anyone speaks in favour of my hypothesis: namely, Kath left her dream (about me) as a hint. This makes Wilwa's comment that Kath would be sneakier in leaving a hint even odder : if Kath was so entirely unsubtle, why didn't anyone mention the obvious conclusion to draw except me. Well, no-one will take it seriously except me, it seems, and I can hardly gain information about my own role.

Well, again, I think you are overstretching it. But mainly, not sure what, even if you were right, would you be capable to gain out of that? When it comes to catching the Wraiths?

Okay... Not sure if I'll be around now for some time again, but hopefully later, after a few hours, of nothing else...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, let me see. I mention one hypothesis about why Kath may have been killed, which just so happens to mention me being innocent.

Alarm bells, of course, go off.

Legate counters it, mentions that I could be a Wraith, and the only way to consider the theory is to presume my innocence beforehand (not so, by the way, the hypothesis itself is the evidence).

Then Nogrod responds: well, just happens to mention that I could be a culprit and that my post was a nice attempt to manipulate the village.

Wilwa posts, discrediting my hypothesis - oh look, I'm her top suspect now.

Brinniel consumes the vibes by osmosis: Kath was an untraceable kill - Eomer is a villain.

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So yeah, looks to me like I've been jumped on. As for this:

"Well, again, I think you are overstretching it. But mainly, not sure what, even if you were right, would you be capable to gain out of that? When it comes to catching the Wraiths?"

Well, I'd be the only one not to gain because I already know. The village could gain, though. But then, we shouldn't be looking for personal gain, eh Legate?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

"Eomer: Hmmm, yeah, not liking this at all. One thing that stands out from the notes I took earlier is that he seems to be leaning towards voting Nog for a while, but then later votes Izzy to save Nog, I'll go back and read the wording again exactly, but from that little bit I don't like it. And his post I commented on earlier doesn't sit well with me either. Later on toDay (after sleep, and re-reading, and discussion and such), I'll have a stronger opinion, but right now I'm leading towards guilty."

Ok, I cannot let this go.

You are saying that I flip-flop on Nogrod. This is totally innaccurate. I said that I don't like Nogrod's method of suspecting everyone (apart from Legate) who had posted thus far, and promising to vote for someone who hadn't posted. I thought, and think, that that's very silly reasoning.

I then gave a joke post, about how Nogrod was getting angry and that we can make him go crazy.

Nowhere have I ever looked like I was going to vote for Nogrod, and so it's perfectly reasonable that I wanted to keep him alive at the end of Day One.

This comment, plus your reasoning for voting me yesterday, added to your refusal to think outside the box for the slaying of Kath, makes you look very bad to me now; and I know it's an unfortunately good chance that two people in-game who get on each other's wrong side will keep arguing until one is dead (and both are usually innocent) but such is human nature.

Lousy humans, inferior... bleh...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm glad it's quiet in the office today. :D

About this Nogrod - Rune, situation, it could really go either way. What Nogrod has to bear in mind is that not everyone wants to be village-leader - it's understandable that Rune decided to sit out and not post.

But it's fair to look out for baddie-behaviour and see who fits the pattern. Having said that, last time I tried that it led me to vote for Isabellkya. Hit or (mainly) miss.

I'm not really suspecting either at the moment.

Nerwen's someone I've missed because of the no-vote. I'm not sure about her.

[wilwarin538]

"Eomer: Hmmm, yeah, not liking this at all. One thing that stands out from the notes I took earlier is that he seems to be leaning towards voting Nog for a while, but then later votes Izzy to save Nog, I'll go back and read the wording again exactly, but from that little bit I don't like it. And his post I commented on earlier doesn't sit well with me either. Later on toDay (after sleep, and re-reading, and discussion and such), I'll have a stronger opinion, but right now I'm leading towards guilty."

Ok, I cannot let this go.

You are saying that I flip-flop on Nogrod. This is totally innaccurate. I said that I don't like Nogrod's method of suspecting everyone (apart from Legate) who had posted thus far, and promising to vote for someone who hadn't posted. I thought, and think, that that's very silly reasoning.


Did I not say that I had to go back and re-read everything? When I was making those comments I was going off memory and the quick notes I had made earlier, I had no intention of simply leaving it at that. I'll be going back later today and re-read everything far more thoroughly.


Alrighty, here's another quick list from me (in no specific order), since they are so fun and all:

Totally unsure of (due to either lack of posts or just utter confusion):
Nienna
Nogrod
Shasta
Nilp
Groin
Sally

Ok with:
Legate
Lhuna
Brinniel

Not really liking:
Kent
Nerwen
Rune
Eomer
Eönwë

So that is where I stand right now. I hope to be able to make it on randomly throughout the day, and will try to be here for the last half hour before deadline, or else I'll be voting about 1 hour before.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

This is the absolutely last time I try to go back and re-read all posts. . .I have just wasted several hours on reading and writting, the really silly think is that I have not even looked at Legate, Eomer and Nogrod yet! That will have to wait, I need to get some school work done today.

Anyways I will start with giving you some of my thoughts of peoples behaviour yesterday.


The Innocent!


Wilwarin538:
Day1: She cannot make it back later as she promised and she clearly has no idea who to vote for so she decides set up some criteria in order to figure out who to vote for. Then defends her choice to Eomer. I think she looks very innocent, she might not have contributed much and not posted much of substance, but the way she chose her lynch seems genuinely like a person who is clueless and in a hurry, I believe a wolf would have voted more in the way I did. Giving vague but valid reason and then maybe attach a comment about randomness or day 1 befuddlement

Lhunardawen:
Day1: Starts of with an introduction post, then she produces a really good post. It is relatively short, but gives a clear impression of her thoughts of certain people. She does not make it silly long with non-statements. Also when people come up very long cases on day 1, then you know they are over analyzing. She then votes. . . A generally innocent feel about her, but it is mostly based on post nr. 2.

[Nerwen]

Her posts don't look too seerish to me unless Eomer is one of the culprits - which he of course has neatly tried to counter already toDay.

Kath's saying she was "keen" on Eomer would look anything but Seerish to a Wraith of the Rohirrim. Or do you refer to the following line, "probably means he's a wolf but there you go"?

Well... it seems to me that the sensible thing for a guilty Eomer would be to raise the point in his favour (or let one of his packmates do it), and then let the matter drop, rather than harping on it the way he's doing. And I do agree with him that people have been far too quick to dismiss Kath's death– though not so much because I think she left Seer-hints as such.

As of his last few posts, though, Eomer seems to be really overreacting to the amount of suspicion against him... we all know what that can mean.

Now this is actually good question. The Hunter idea is interesting - however, would the Wraiths really be so much afraid of that? (In that case, they shouldn't dare to kill anybody at all! - Well, not that there would be anything wrong about that ;) ) I mean, there is still the full number of us (okay, now minus two; it was minus one at Night) - so I think mathematically it's not that big chance.

I was thinking specifically of whether they would be afraid that anyone who looked too Seer-ish was in fact the Hunter (i.e. trying to look like the Seer) as has been known to happen. There was a nasty incident involving a vigilante-Mith a couple of games back.

They may have simply decided to wait until they have a clearer idea what everyone else is (pointing to rather smooth baddies).

Or else the kill-choice might point to Nogrod (or a framing attempt).

EDIT: X'd with Wilwa and Rune.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

The Evil Ones:

Nerwen:
Day1:Has 3 in character posts, which seems to contain a few suspicions. . .I did not pick up on them because of the way it was written..
Day2: Argues that Kath was a no trace kill.

Nothing can be concluded from day1 alone, but the way she has started Day2 may indicate that she is a careful wolf.

Eönwë:
Day1: His day 1 mostly consists of a whole lot of comments, some alright and some completely irrelevant and then vote for Isabel. . .
Day2: Shows up, says hardly anything and then asks people what they think.

I think he looks bad, he posts quite a lot, but it is mostly comments to what others have said and he hardly puts anything forth him self. This is all topped off with a voted which is not based on suspicion.

[Nerwen]

Nothing can be concluded from day1 alone, but the way she has started Day2 may indicate that she is a careful wolf.

Uh... care to share that one with the class, Rune?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Could Go Either Way:

Kent2010:
Day1: Starts of with 2 random posts before getting to the business. He then gets started by reacting to Nogrod’s comments and then attacks me for my “attack” on Nogrod. He seems to have gotten the impression that I wanted Nogrod lynched, which was not at all the case. His response to Wilwa puzzles me, it seems like one of those “good” things to say, which is painfully obvious and only seem to be said in order to look good. In his last 2 posts of the day he talks about being confused, feeling good about Legate and Eomer and then he votes for me. I seem to be the focus of his suspicions, in fact I seem to be the only one he really speaks against. It might be because he misunderstood my debate with Nogrod. (btw it is not the first time me and Nogrod end up in this discussion). He generally seems OK, but his response to Wilwa worries me. . .Maybe, just maybe he is the kind of wolf who deliberately misunderstand people and build cases on it.


Day2: He starts of with declaring that he thinks me innocent, something I obviously enjoy reading, but there where other reasons for me to like his first 2 posts of the day. He seems to look at things in a different way, one could say “with fresh eyes”. I really like how he questions everything from your actions, to certain phrases that you use. He also points out that Nogrod demands a lot of people and talks a lot, but when deadline comes it is seldom that he himself deliver. On the negative side there is his respons to Wilwa “Not to call you a hypocrit”. . .if you don’t want to call people hypocrites then don’t use the word. (It is very simple) It seems like a very odd thing to say.



I like the way he has played today, but of course a wolf could play just the same. Day 2 leaves the same impression as Day1, generally I like him, but there are some things that makes me wonder.


Brinniel:
Day1: I don’t like her first comment of the game, it seems like it is written so that people shall pity her, but then again it is very like her to portray her self as a victim. (I could be reading it wrong) She then explains that she will not be around much, which is fair enough. Makes a random vote and that is about it. . . She seems like her self, but she is one of those people that is very hard to figure out.



Nienna:
]Day1: Not much to go on, only have 2 posts of substance. . . In the first she defends her self against the bile of Nogrod. She then votes Sally because she thinks her vote for Nogrod looks like an attempt to start a bandwagon. It is impossible to determine anything from that. . .she participates, but without putting anything of substance forth, a typical day1 situation.
Day2: Starts day 2 much in the same manner as she started day1, is still freaked out by Sally, promises to be back before deadline.

I will leave it to later before deciding if she I consider her a lynch candidate.


Satansaloser2005:
Day1: She starts more directly than others with a post with her thoughts, which is a mix of serious and silly comments. She then replies to some comments and expand on her worries about Nogrod before voting for him. I don’t think one can expect much more from a day one. I am a bit worried though, because Sally strikes me as different than how I remember her. . .this might mean she has a different role than before.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Uh... care to share that one with the class, Rune?

You go into a debate about Kath was a no-trace kill and that is basicly all you had done. It is a very safe debate to get into, it is not the thing that will get you lynched, it might even make you look good.

There is nothing wrong with going into the debate, but when there is little else of substance then it make you look slightly evil to me.

I have not read your latest post yet, it might change my view. We are still early in the game so my view can still change relatively easy.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I seem to recall Wilwa about ready to vote for Lhuna - she said something about Lhuna creeping into her house in the dead of night to try to feast on her young, or something like that - so imagine my surprise when Wilwa did not in fact vote for Lhuna to be executed. Of course, I'll need to go back and check the wording but that's how I remember it. It's this kind of inconsistency which really gets me. I'm leaning towards thinking she's guilty but I'll confirm my opinion later.

Or does anyone see a problem with this? :p

[Nerwen]

You go into a debate about Kath was a no-trace kill and that is basicly all you had done. It is a very safe debate to get into, it is not the thing that will get you lynched, it might even make you look good.

??? I was speculating on the implications of the kill, not arguing on whether it was no-trace or not.

EDIT: X'd with Eomer.

[satansaloser2005]

I seem to recall Wilwa about ready to vote for Lhuna - she said something about Lhuna creeping into her house in the dead of night to try to feast on her young, or something like that - so imagine my surprise when Wilwa did not in fact vote for Lhuna to be executed. Of course, I'll need to go back and check the wording but that's how I remember it. It's this kind of inconsistency which really gets me. I'm leaning towards thinking she's guilty but I'll confirm my opinion later.

Or does anyone see a problem with this? :p


You seem to forget, dear, that one cannot always vote for the player they find the most suspicious. Well, they can, but there's not always much point in it. For instance, if I found Lhuna and Nienna suspicious, and Lhuna slightly more so, but Nienna and Nilp were the people with the most votes and I thought Nilp was innocent, I'd be silly to vote for Lhuna (I believe we normally call it a throwaway) when I could use my vote to actually make a difference.


I'm currently trying to decide if Eomer's guilty or just has had too much rum. ;)



EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What has that to do with me or Wilwa, Sally?

Anyway, I'm a whisky man. No time for rum. That's for sailors and Disney-Pirate-Wannabes. :smokin:

[satansaloser2005]

What has that to do with me or Wilwa, Sally?

Anyway, I'm a whisky man. No time for rum. That's for sailors and Disney-Pirate-Wannabes. :smokin:


You think it's odd that Wilwa suspected Lhuna but didn't vote her. I'm just bringing that particular fact to your attention, as it seemed you hadn't considered it.


I have to work on my paper, so you'll not be seeing too much of me for a while.

[Nerwen]

You seem to forget, dear, that one cannot always vote for the player they find the most suspicious. Well, they can, but there's not always much point in it. For instance, if I found Lhuna and Nienna suspicious, and Lhuna slightly more so, but Nienna and Nilp were the people with the most votes and I thought Nilp was innocent, I'd be silly to vote for Lhuna (I believe we normally call it a throwaway) when I could use my vote to actually make a difference.

Not applicable, in this case– no-one else had more than one vote at the time Wilwa cast hers.

However, I may be missing something, but the fact is, I simply cannot find the post Eomer is talking about (where Wilwa expresses suspicion of Lhuna).

Eomer, are you sure you didn't imagine it?

EDIT: X'd with Sally.

[Nerwen]

Advance warning: I am going to have to vote within the next half-hour.

[satansaloser2005]

Not applicable, in this case– no-one else had more than one vote at the time Wilwa cast hers.

However, I may be missing something, but the fact is, I simply cannot find the post Eomer is talking about (where Wilwa expresses suspicion of Lhuna).

Eomer, are you sure you didn't imagine it?

EDIT: X'd with Sally.

That was my other problem (or rather my main problem) with his post, but I figured since I was in a rush I assumed I'd just missed her post or something. I'm sure Eomer would be kind enough to point it out.

And I just wanted to make sure Eomer had considered that may have entered into Wilwa's decision. The same still holds true with who she thought it was possible to lynch, rather than who it looked like was going to be lynched.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

:D I'm sure someone got the reductio.

I don't want to explain the joke but I guess it's my responsibility if Nerwen has to rush away.

[Kent2010]

Uh... care to share that one with the class, Rune?
-Nerwen
I can explain how I felt about your response to Kath's death, because I have nearly the same feeling as Rune.

Eomer apparently set some kind of trap about the reason Kath was killed and the people who have since come out and insisted Kath was a no-trail kill. I am in limbo about Eomer, because logically it makes sense, it is something I tried on Day 1 in my first game about the new feature of "bonus votes." So, Eomer's feelings about people claiming why Kath was obviously killed are logical, but I am in unsure about him, because anyone with confidence worries me. Eomer seems to be confident this caught a wraith, but there is a fallacy, and that is Eomer is assuming our wraiths are talking and are willing to respond. It might have worked, if we have gabby, type-happy wraiths. But it will fail miserably if we have silent, cautious wraiths.

I don't know about why wolves would kill who they do, I would imagine their first target would always be the seer, and someone's use of words may tip them off. But if so many people believe Kath was a no-trail kill then there has to be some kind of precedent in WW where the wolves target no-trail people? Eomer may have set some kind of trap, but he could have easily trapped innocents who are willingly participating and trying to figure out all the evidence, not wraiths laying low. Is that making sense?

Anyway, the reason I am wary of your response, is the way you are currently playing. Laying low, being in-character most of Day 1, and I admit my vision of baddies has been skewed from my first game. Your response is non-commital you seemingly support Eomer's statement about people assuring why Kath was killed, but then ponder the no-trace kill. You are playing the mediator to Eomer's aggressive confidence. Plus your response comes after Eomer's reveal that "the wraiths easily fell to his trap!," which makes me suspicious towards both of you.

Edit: I cross-posted with many

[Nerwen]

Your response is non-commital you seemingly support Eomer's statement about people assuring why Kath was killed, but then ponder the no-trace kill. You are playing the mediator to Eomer's aggressive confidence.

Kent, I was just trying to work out why the wolves would have chosen a no-trace kill (if indeed they did) rather than try for a gifted... motivations can be a clue to identity, you know.

[satansaloser2005]

Incidentally, I think there's been way too much talk about Kath and not much about everyone else.

(Sorry, I'll be restricted to one liners for a bit. Bear with me.)

[Nerwen]

Oh, and I don't know what Eomer is up to.

:D I'm sure someone got the reductio.

I don't want to explain the joke but I guess it's my responsibility if Nerwen has to rush away.

Yes, please do. Not another of your "traps", was it?:rolleyes:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The close reader may have noted that Lhuna, while probably inwardly desiring to creep into someone's house and feast on her young, never explicitly stated this in the game thread. I know Lhuna, and she is a bit like that.

But anyway, all I was doing was stating that Wilwa's attempt to discredit me wasn't exactly fair. My post about her is equivalent to her post about me.

And I don't know what Kent's talking about. Traps? That sounds a bit complex.

[satansaloser2005]

The close reader may have noted that Lhuna, while probably inwardly desiring to creep into someone's house and feast on her young, never explicitly stated this in the game thread. I know Lhuna, and she is a bit like that.

But anyway, all I was doing was stating that Wilwa's attempt to discredit me wasn't exactly fair. My post about her is equivalent to her post about me.

And I don't know what Kent's talking about. Traps? That sounds a bit complex.


Granted.



And I never know what Kent's talking about. Join the club. ;)

[Nogrod]

It's funny how communities of people create common truths they all recite like parrots. My "aggressiviness" seems to be one of those saying out aloud of which is always accepted and creates nice bridges of understanding between people. It's nice to be such an indirect "community organiser" indeed. Quite nice visions for career-developement. :)

But really. I don't think I have ever done this but now I feel I have to at last.

I am not an aggressive, angry and humourless gaffer who plays with taste of blood in his mouth. Sorry. Wrong image.

I'll give you a few hints into reading my posting.

1) High content on self-irony and sarcasm involved, always.
2) Strict separation of what I think about the people playing with me and what I say in-game of them, always.
3) I like to try people, push them to react (how else do you unbalance a careful wolfie?) - that's not aggression, it's testing (I do it always as an innocent and pretend to do it when a baddie) and trying to force others to play.
4) It's hard to express this one (language barriers) but hopefully you get it: I'm always serious about the game (in a sense of doing my best, giving a full effort time allowing) but never serious (in a sense of being grave or without humour).
5) Exception to the rules above, especially rule 4: on morning hours (+3GMT) when innocent / gifted cornered by baddies and facing lynching and having taken too many glasses of wine... I know that's bad. :(

But that's just a guideline for reading. Feel free to suspect, vote and lynch me if you see it reasonable or tactically good. I just hate to be looked at as a grumpy old man - which this post kind of makes me on a second thought... :rolleyes:

Okay. Some actual commments concerning toDay's issues to follow soonish.

EDIT: X'd with a host of posts it seems...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Can it be true? Could I have found myself in the middle of a Sally-Werewolf-Spam-A-Thon?!?!!?

I've seen them before, sure, but... usually I just vote for you instead. :D

[Kent2010]

I can be here for roughly the next hour than I have straight duties until half-an-hour before the deadline. So most likely I will have time to return and vote, but little else.

Kent, I was just trying to work out why the wolves would have chosen a no-trace kill (if indeed they did) rather than try for a gifted... motivations can be a clue to identity, you know.
-Nerwen
Maybe you are, I was just saying that Eomer is making an assumption about his Kath trap - and that is the wraiths would have responded to it and I am not convinced they would. It all depends upon what wraiths we have here, do we have wraiths that want to flaunt their dirty laundry to the village and rub it in our face? Or wraiths that want to remain silent and safe as much as possible? Eomer's move only finds the former, and I wonder how "easily" the wraiths fell for it as he claims. This is my first game with Eomer, and with many of you, but I get the feeling most here have been in WW for a long time, and I wonder if it was as easy as Eomer claims it to be why would experienced baddies fall for it? And what makes anyone believe a wraith would even respond to Eomer claiming Kath was a seer kill?

Most people made no comment, or in your case you mediated. Maybe you are a thinking, cautious, innocent (I mean I do know that wraiths are not the only ones capable of worrying about being lynched and being found suspicious). But my point I was trying to make is I question the assuredness that Eomer reached with his Kath-trap and therefor I question your subtle support of it.

Edit: more cross posting

[satansaloser2005]

It's funny how communities of people create common truths they all recite like parrots. My "aggressiviness" seems to be one of those saying out aloud of which is always accepted and creates nice bridges of understanding between people. It's nice to be such an indirect "community organiser" indeed. Quite nice visions for career-developement.

But really. I don't think I have ever done this but now I feel I have to at last.

I am not an aggressive, angry and humourless gaffer who plays with taste of blood in his mouth. Sorry. Wrong image.

I'll give you a few hints into reading my posting.

1) High content on self-irony and sarcasm involved, always.
2) Strict separation of what I think about the people playing with me and what I say in-game of them, always.
3) I like to try people, push them to react (how else do you unbalance a careful wolfie?) - that's not aggression, it's testing (I do it always as an innocent and pretend to do it when a baddie) and trying to force others to play.
4) It's hard to express this one (language barriers) but hopefully you get it: I'm always serious about the game (in a sense of doing my best, giving a full effort time allowing) but never serious (in a sense of being grave or without humour).
5) Exception to the rules above, especially rule 4: on morning hours (+3GMT) when innocent / gifted cornered by baddies and facing lynching and having taken too many glasses of wine... I know that's bad. :(

But that's just a guideline for reading. Feel free to suspect, vote and lynch me if you see it reasonable or tactically good. I just hate to be looked at as a grumpy old man - which this post kind of makes me on a second thought... :rolleyes:

Okay. Some actual commments concerning toDay's issues to follow soonish.

EDIT: X'd with a host of posts it seems...

*hugs*

I didn't think you were harsh is in grumpy, dear one. I meant harsh in the game sense. You're still everyone's favorite yellow galoshes wearing guy. :)


EDIT: x'd with Eomer and Kent. I'd take you up on the Spam-a-Thon, but I haven't the time to come up with the material. Make it up in your head; I'm sure it'll be enjoyable as always. Maybe next game.

[Kent2010]

And I don't know what Kent's talking about. Traps? That sounds a bit complex.

Interesting how many people bit at that.

"No! No! It can't possibly be a Seer hint! It had to be because Kath left no trail!"

Why so jumpy? I even asked you not to jump at me?
-Eomer

I would guess biting a trap might be pretty painful, but you were attempting to get responses about your posts on why Kath was killed and you think you got a wraith with it = what I woud call a trap ;) But I wonder if you trapped wraiths or innocents, and if it was innocents, I wonder if it was intentional bait to get the rest of us to follow?

Note to Nogrod, what I mean when I say "aggressive" you might call spirit, vigor - passionate and take no crap. It is not the negative connotation you might associate with the "American cowboy mentality." :p

[Nogrod]

Btw. although we all know it I think this deserves reciting once again: we have four (4!) wolves around. Just remember that when it looks like there is a gradual consensus building on anyone. The baddies really can play that card now - and their voting power is considerable... and growing.

Another quick one. Yes Kent, to my experience the wolves tend to pick up safe kills quite often when they have no clue on the seer - who surely is their first and always the most important target.

The wolves will probably move for even a slight suspicion of someone being the seer but otherwise there are diferent variations: no-trace-kill is a safe bet everytime, confusing kills are super if there is a situation for it, framing kills are nice but seem not to work unless in certain situations, sporty-kills pick up the non-posters and are a sub-group of safe kills while killing the loudmouths is totally different tactics having an eye to gaining the control of ideas in a quiet village, some times they need to be extra careful with the ranger and/or the hunter but normally not on the first Nights etc...

Quite a range of possibilities then. But safe-kills are quite common indeed.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, looking for responses is fair enough, though I'm not sure I would use the term 'trap'.

Point taken about innocents biting. Any sort of reaction and counter-reaction, though, could prove useful even a few days down the line. Better talk than silence. Soon as we catch a Wraith we trawl through his/her posts to judge the behaviour...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It's funny how communities of people create common truths they all recite like parrots. My "aggressiviness" seems to be one of those saying out aloud of which is always accepted and creates nice bridges of understanding between people. It's nice to be such an indirect "community organiser" indeed. Quite nice visions for career-developement. :)

But really. I don't think I have ever done this but now I feel I have to at last.

I am not an aggressive, angry and humourless gaffer who plays with taste of blood in his mouth. Sorry. Wrong image.


I know you quite well and I was one of the people who started calling you agressive. This had nothing to do with being humourless or being covered in childrens blood. I my self often use hyberbole sarcasm. . .
You wording just seemed very much more forceful than normally.

[Nogrod]

Okay, let's get back into the bussiness of fighting and accusing each other for lycantrophy. I can't stand these nice and understanding words from you guys! (a charachteristic Finnish personality-flaw) :rolleyes:

But thanks anyway. You must all be ringwraiths. :eek:

[Kent2010]

Point taken about innocents biting. Any sort of reaction and counter-reaction, though, could prove useful even a few days down the line. Better talk than silence. Soon as we catch a Wraith we trawl through his/her posts to judge the behaviour...
-Eomer
True and that is why I am in limbo about you. I have not successfully spotted a baddie yet, in fact you could say I have defended more wolves than suspected so far (Nogrod could tell you more about that :rolleyes: ). Generally talk is good, and I think some people as baddies like to wave the clues right in front of our face, but some people as baddies like to remain as quiet as possible. So, who do we go for? Getting that first one always seems to be a 300lb gorilla on your back.

On the negative side there is his respons to Wilwa “Not to call you a hypocrit”. . .if you don’t want to call people hypocrites then don’t use the word. (It is very simple) It seems like a very odd thing to say.
-Rune
Maybe I should have added a smiley to show the jest in referencing wilwarin's post from Day 1 saying she did not want to vote for the few posters, because she did not want to be hypocritical. Because it was honestly not meant to really call her a hypocrit but to point out the irony between Day 1 and Day 2.

Also, I will honestly say my responses about it are not something I am holding for a later day against her. They are in no way meant to be taken seriously, nor be used for serious suspicions (unlike smiley placement - that is very suspicious!:D )

I was confused by wilwarin's voting reasons yesterday, but you reminded me that cofusing logic, does not make wraith behaviour. And wilwarin's response to me today looks more like that innocent willingness that Rune pointed out about her Day 1 posts.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So did Nerwen take off without voting again?

Same old faces are posting, where are the others, hmm?

[Nerwen]

Okay, I hate having to vote this early, especially when there's so many people who have posted little or not at all.

Nogrod seems okay toDay (although Kath's death could point to him). Legate ditto, and the continued existence of Lhuna points away from him (not that that's conclusive). .

I was thinking of Wilwarin before, both because of her vote yesterDay and because her helpful-list thing toDay reminds me of Brinnwolf...but Eomer is going after her (or is he?) and I don't know what to make of him at all.

Brinniel was another suspicious voter, but again hasn't posted more than once toDay, Shasta yet another, but hasn't posted at all... so they're slipping off my radar. And everyone else is completely off it. (As we all know, at least one of them is probably evil..)

At the moment I'm thinking Rune or Sally.

EDIT: X'd since Nogrod.

[wilwarin538]

I seem to recall Wilwa about ready to vote for Lhuna - she said something about Lhuna creeping into her house in the dead of night to try to feast on her young, or something like that - so imagine my surprise when Wilwa did not in fact vote for Lhuna to be executed. Of course, I'll need to go back and check the wording but that's how I remember it. It's this kind of inconsistency which really gets me. I'm leaning towards thinking she's guilty but I'll confirm my opinion later.

Or does anyone see a problem with this? :p



However, I may be missing something, but the fact is, I simply cannot find the post Eomer is talking about (where Wilwa expresses suspicion of Lhuna).

Eomer, are you sure you didn't imagine it?


He's just trying to bug me.....and he's succeeding....

Alright Eomer, I re-read your posts from yesterDay, I see now that you didn't actually suspect Nogrod at anytime, my confusion was just a result of me trying to read everything and take notes in the very small frame of time that I had, so I'll give you that one. But I still don't feel too awesome about you. Therefore, I'm just gonna leave it at that. Unless you do something amazing to totally turn me around, you are my main suspect.

The wolves will probably move for even a slight suspicion of someone being the seer but otherwise there are diferent variations: no-trace-kill is a safe bet everytime, confusing kills are super if there is a situation for it, framing kills are nice but seem not to work unless in certain situations, sporty-kills pick up the non-posters and are a sub-group of safe kills while killing the loudmouths is totally different tactics having an eye to gaining the control of ideas in a quiet village, some times they need to be extra careful with the ranger and/or the hunter but normally not on the first Nights etc...


I agree with this. That is why it's so hard to interpret Night 1 kill choices, and very easy for arguments to start in regard to peoples interpretations. The possible reasons why they chose Kath probably shouldn't be discussed again until there is more info.

Anyway, just popping in and trying to stay updated. Off to lunch, will try to be back in a couple of hours.

x'posted with Nerwen

[Nerwen]

Well, then–

++Sally

for bad voting and bad vibes (see her response to Brinn and her opening post toDay).

[Nerwen]

Goodnight all.

[satansaloser2005]

The weird thing is that although I think Eomer's acting very suspicious, at the moment I don't think he's a wolf. Does that make sense?


I'm still troubled by Noggie, and I've still been getting bad vibes from Lhuna. In my book my beloved Nilpiekins is innocent and I'm sure Brinn is too. Lhuna's crossed over to the dark side, though. I'll look over her posts again, but I think I may be voting her toDay. Maybe....I don't know. I'll have to see.

With Nog though, I think it's just the general mistrust (or rather, hesitation to trust him) that I always have for the poor kid. YesterDay he looked really off the wall and he still does, but I'm a bit doubtful that it's for dark purposes now. I'll have to make my final decision later, but I think I'll leave him alone for the rest of the Day and see how things shape up after the vote toDay.


I don't think there's been a vote count, actually. I'll just go do that real quick.


ETA: Nightie night, Nerwen. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I'm around just for a little bit, so I'm very very quickly posting a short summary of people as to toDay...

Nienna - is basically not around. Now, I would not like to start about that, but I think people who are silent should try not to be that silent anymore, because otherwise nobody is able to read anything about them.
Kent2010 - I was somewhat unsettled by something in his posts at the beginning of this Day, but otherwise the feeling of him reasonable and trying remains.
Nogrod - still looks quite like a typical Nogrod, and even his recent sort of outburst does not seem any suspicious to me or anything.
Shastanis Althreduin - did he post anything toDay?
wilwarin538 - with the recent posting with Eomer and all I am becoming again a bit more confused, so I don't know. Maybe it would do good to look at her in total... or then maybe who knows, as sometimes she seems to me quite hard to get. "Chaotic."
Nerwen - somewhat hard to say, she gets harder to read when she posts, though basically the feeling I'm getting about her is genuine
Nilpaurion Felagund - not posted much more, hope to see more in the future
Rune Son of Bjarne - looks still more or less the same to me, like a good Rune
Lhunardawen - did not post toDay yet
Eomer of the Rohirrim - okay, I probably really do not get him, but whatever. I could understand if he was trying to lay traps for Wraiths, but the way he posted really does not make much sense to me. He makes me feel uneasy... have to think more. Because really making no sense in some ways... if there was a Cobbler, it would have been easier to say.
Groin Redbeard - did not post AT ALL... I hope he shows up :(
satansaloser2005 - posts a bit more scarcely, so it's hard to say now. I would certainly like her to post more: otherwise, just sticking with my feelings from yesterDay.
Eönwë - he showed for a bit in the beginning, I think, but did not really say much. Hope he will show up yet too.
Brinniel - also did not quite show up yet toDay either, unless I missed something?

Overall, one thing I don't like is that this far - the really lack of posting from many people, just basically today only some posted - hope the following almost-four hours will make a difference... (well, I can also imagine that when I come back home there will be two more pages :rolleyes: ) I will be hopefully back at some two hours before DL for certain, and then keep around...

edit: x-ed with nerwen&sally

[Nogrod]

Some things off my back I have tried to post for a while now.

I knew I did not have a good case and that more often than not, it is an ordo who is lynched on day 1. . . Why would I go out and try to convince everyone to vote Isabel, when I was not at all sure of her guilt?
I am only obligated to tell why I vote as I do, I don't have to campaign for others to do the same.I'm not saying you should try to convince or campaign everyone for your vote (or to be a village-leader as Eomer put it). But if you're around you could join the discussion and give your points of view. Instead you decided to just back off and follow the ending of the Day from aside. The problem with that is - as I said already - that wolves tend to do that when the voting is going their way and they don't want to dirty their hands in any last minute discussions which are always a bit unpredictable as one doesn't know for sure how the votes will go in the end.

He is actually right in some way, because I did sit back and followed end of the day. I had very little to say and it was not extremely important for me who was lynched, as long as it was not me.But looking back at this I may have to retract some of my suspicion on you because of this though. You might be earnest here - even if I do wonder your stance (this is not the only facet of this game we tend to disagree on... :)).


Your past deadline vote for sally looks bad I do not imagine you to be someone who likes to miss voting. There was a general confusion towards the end, but there is no indication you cross-posted with anyone (including Eonwe's vote before yours) - did you?Well, I was refreshing the screen ready to vote unsure whether I was in the lead or not and did see both Kath and Eomer voting for Izzy - and registered someone posting a non-vote post there after them. But it was .00 at that time. So I decided that I could afford voting Sally in hopes of someone else doing the same move - but not compromising my own safety any more. I refreshed the screen once more to see that Eönwë had also voted and then decided to stick to my then already written Sally-vote. But it looks that while bolding the vote the minute went off (it was .00 when I started bolding it) and only after I had pushed the submit reply -button did I notice the time being .01.

Yes, I hate to miss the DL.

Of those who have garnered votes this far I'd be most happy to vote for Sally basically for bandwaggoning an innocent.This is interesting, and this is what I was going to be suspicious of Kath for today, but that is moot now. Anyway, the over-reaction to the two votes against you worries me. First, I would not classify two early votes as a bandwagon - what happened to Izzy yesterday was a bandwagon. And secondly who determined you are innocent?An overreaction to the two votes? I was in a shared lead three minutes before the DL with those two votes... :rolleyes:

When the votes are spread widely one vote is little but another one is highly significant as it brings that one person seriously on the fray - which was exactly what Sally's vote did.

And to your second question: Lommy determined that I'm an innocent and I happen to know that: so I know it was putting an innocent into the lead - and if Sally is a baddie she knew that as well. :smokin:


But that's for that for my part. I'll need some supper now but will be back in an hour or something - and will probably have time then.

The focus of my next little study will probably be: who withheld their cards in the end causing all that insecurity and "randomness" there in the end?

Then possibly for something completely different as I'm afraid I've lost the focus once more.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

My, my . . . a most interesting colloquy indeed!

If anyone here reads history they will notice a certain cycle to things. You know, dark lords rising, and then suddenly falling due to the action of one man, thought to be insignificant at that time. There are also stories of villages losing their silent ones on the first DAY of their foundation, because it is far easier to hide among vocal villagers. Moreover it is more likely that the prophets of said villages would be among the quiet ones, since they would fear drawing the village's attention to themselves too soon. (A trend that future prophets would be wise to remember. ;) ) Besides, setting up a DAY 2 frame-up is too ponderous, and who would be the easiest to frame-up early on in the game? The boisterous ones, correct?

Therefore, unless this trend changes, I do not think DAY 1 kills have deception in mind.

To acknowledge the metagame is to change it.

I have no hidden agenda, Adam. *opens fan, hides lower part of the face*

In any case, I shall be back with a more, ah, timely post, about my specific suspicions, and other less philosophical thoughts. But wait, here's one I've noticed: Kent seems to be currying favour from the sorceror Tivo? But what for, I imagine? Does he require aid for a magical quest, perchance?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My friend Asbjørn just stopped by and I have not seen him for a long time, so I would rather spend time with him than with you. I don't know when he will be leaving so I will vote now.

++Eönwë

His way of playing so far don't sit right with me. He needs to say more about what he thinks and not just comment on what other people say. The only problem I have with voting this way, is that I have a feeling that this could just be the way Eönwë plays, no matter if he is bad or good.

[Brinniel]

I don’t like her first comment of the game, it seems like it is written so that people shall pity her, but then again it is very like her to portray her self as a victim. (I could be reading it wrong)
Yeah, you did read it wrong. I never asked for pity; I merely wanted to explain that my participation would be minimal and it was based on RL reasons. Random votes aren't good votes, but I couldn't avoid it. I hate being called suspicious because I'm unable to participate as much as I would like. And that first "Nogrod should vote me now" comment was meant to be sarcastic, if that was the first comment you were talking about.

Okay, Eomer's making me uncomfortable, and now with reason. He's acting overly defensive and seems to go after anyone who suspects or disagrees with his theories.

Brinniel consumes the vibes by osmosis: Kath was an untraceable kill - Eomer is a villain.
I don't know why you're connecting my thoughts with others' earlier posts. Any bad vibes I received from you were based only on your own posts and the reason I said Kath was an untraceable kill was because she often has been in the past.

I don't know about why wolves would kill who they do, I would imagine their first target would always be the seer, and someone's use of words may tip them off. But if so many people believe Kath was a no-trail kill then there has to be some kind of precedent in WW where the wolves target no-trail people?
Yes, the seer is a priority target, but rarely can the wolves spot a potential seer after the first Day since it's a bit early to tell. Wolves often make no-trace kills because it's easy early in the game and if they have no clue as to who the seer is, why risk killing someone whose death could point back to them?

I don't really see why Kath's death has led to such a big debate. She could've been killed for either reasons, but there's really no way to know for sure, so there's no reason to base a suspicion on any sort of assumption on why Kath died. Savvy?

From the votes yesterDay, I'd say Sally's is the most suspicious since the timing could indicate an opportunist wolf. Other than that, I don't have much reason to suspect her.

I have to get ready then go to class soon, so a vote will come sometime within the next hour.

[wilwarin538]

K, change of plans for me, I'm voting now, cause it's seeming very likely that I won't be able to make it back. Don't however be surprised if I pop back in quickly closer to the end, it's just not guaranteed.

++Eomer

That shouldn't come as a surprise.

Good luck everyone!

[Eönwë]

Ok, I'm here, am catching up with what I missed...

Meanwhile:
quite obsessed with that greek letter, haha.

One and a half posts = obsessed?

edit: don't know if I x-ed (probably did). haven't caught up yet.

[wilwarin538]

One and a half posts = obsessed?


The "haha" was cause I was joking about that part ;). I didn't mean to make it sound like that was the reason I was unsure of you.

Just popped in quick between checking my e-mails, heading out now and am now pretty much positive that I won't be able to make it back.

[Eönwë]

Interesting how many people bit at that.

"No! No! It can't possibly be a Seer hint! It had to be because Kath left no trail!"

Why so jumpy? I even asked you not to jump at me?

Look at Kath's list. She is neutral about everyone; except she says she is "keen" on Eomer and "not keen" on Shasta. Now, where I come from, "keen" can be significant.

I'm not going to press the point any further, as I'm very far from convinced myself. It's just funny how three (I think) people have jumped on this rejecting it immediately, not even entertaining the notion. This whole decision of leaving Kath-discussion down to "IT WAS A SAFE KILL - THE END" strikes me as lazy.

First of all, I agree with you that it's not good just to leave it as an "it was a safe kill - the end", but there really isn't that much she said that we have much to go on.
What I don't like, however is the the way that you are being jumpy by immediately labelling people who disagree with your comments as being jumpy. And don't they have a right to disagree with you? Especially when the way you put your ideas makes it seem obvious that you are innocent.
You speak reason, but I don't like your methods.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, people have become quite less industrious of late. Ah, well . . . since it is a good way of gathering one's thoughts--besides, a rereading of the thread can yield new information--I shall post a vote list here.

DAY 1 (times are in GMT +8, known innocents are underlined).

16:08 Brinn (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595153&postcount=39) - Sally
Sally - 1

Process of elimination + randomness. Possible Wraith-on-Wraith.

17:14 Shasta (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595157&postcount=42) - Nogrod
Sally - 1, Nogrod - 1

A rather hurried vote, perhaps one made due to ill feelings, and the fact that the recipient has been (and still is) a more eager participant in these proceedings, and therefore an easy target for slander, among other things. Combined with other factors (i.e. the NIGHT kill) I am inclined to think him innocent. (Will be wary of him, however, due to historical things.)

20:11 Nilp (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595162&postcount=47) - Nilp
Sally - 1, Nogrod - 1, Nilp - 1

I must admit I missed doing that. I also missed doing that and living to tell the tale ( ;) at Sally).

20:42 Rune (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595164&postcount=49) - Izzy
Sally - 1, Nogrod - 1, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 1

He has gone for the under-the-radar types who have posted, and then voted for the one he thought was most sneaky. Took flak for his '98% random' addendum, which seemed to me an innocuous remark. Looks helpful today, so perhaps innocent.

20:52 Wilwa (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595166&postcount=51) - Eomer
Sally - 1, Nogrod - 1, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 1, Eomer - 1

Process of elimination + coin flip (i.e. randomness). Possible Wraith-on-Wraith; in fact, I think it is. Combined with his, ah, interesting interaction with Eomer, I am suspicious of her.

23:44 Sally (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595178&postcount=58) - Nogrod
Sally - 1, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 1, Eomer - 1

'Darker motives', indeed. An excellent turn of phrase, and an excellent dodge of explanations, too. A tie-breaker vote and a possible bandwaggon starter, a vote highly suspected by many, myself included. (Sorry, luv, but I do have my duties. :( )

02:12 Lhuna (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595196&postcount=64) - Legate
Sally - 1, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 1, Eomer - 1, Legate - 1

Has gone after him consistently in previous posts, and I could see her points against him--more on that later. Probably innocent.

03:18 Kent (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595212&postcount=78) - Rune
Sally - 1, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 1, Eomer - 1, Legate - 1, Rune - 1

Latches on to the '98% random' comment. Combined with curious conversations with the aforementioned sorcerer I am suspicious of him.

03:24 Nienna (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595214&postcount=80) - Sally
Sally - 2, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 1, Eomer - 1, Legate - 1, Rune - 1

Goes after Sally for her vote. Curiously, he defends Nogrod despite his vociferous statements regarding her kind (I myself, perhaps, am in that group). Probably innocent, but will bear close watching.

03:52 Legate (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595233&postcount=97) - Izzy
Sally - 2, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 2, Eomer - 1, Legate - 1, Rune - 1

Has been going after Izzy in previous posts. (You and I, sir, will have to cross swords after all this is over. :p ) Vote looks innocent, but other aspects of his posting are not. I'll speak on that more later.

03:59 Izzy (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595247&postcount=110) - Sally
Sally - 3, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 2, Eomer - 1, Legate - 1, Rune - 1

First of the cross-votes. A vote to save herself and Nogrod.

03:59 Kath (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595248&postcount=111) - Izzy
Sally - 3, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 3, Eomer - 1, Legate - 1, Rune - 1

Second of the cross-votes. Went after Izzy for her controversial tie-keeping comment.

03: 59 Eomer (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595249&postcount=112) - Izzy
Sally - 3, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 4, Eomer - 1, Legate - 1, Rune - 1

Third of the cross-votes. He intended to save Nogrod, and he has been declaring suspicion of Izzy in previous posts--which, interestingly, started after Rune's vote. Hmmm. Combined with certain posts and a few curious interactions with Legate I am suspicious of him--more on that later.

04:00 Eönwë (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595252&postcount=115) - Izzy
Sally - 3, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 5, Eomer - 1, Legate - 1, Rune - 1

Fourth of the cross-votes. Chose by elimination, as he didn't want Nogrod dead and wary of lynching Sally. Hmmm. Will bear close watching.

04:01 Nogrod (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=595254&postcount=117) - Sally (did not count)
Sally - 3, Nogrod - 2, Nilp - 1, Izzy - 5, Eomer - 1, Legate - 1, Rune - 1

Has been going after Sally for her vote. Probably innocent, or a cool customer. Inclined to think the former.

No votes: Groin, Nerwen, Nogrod (late vote).

More on certain detail later.

[Brinniel]

Okay, I can't wait any longer, so:

++Eomer

For reasons I already explained.

I thought I would have more time but I've been distracted with finalising a decision for an apartment and I have a final shortly. Again, sorry for my cruddy participation so far; things should get better for me after Day 3.

[satansaloser2005]

Voteses, precious....


Brinn-->Sally at 3:08am
Shasta-->Noggie at 4:14am
Nilp-->Nilp at 7:11am
Rune-->Izzy at 7:42am
Wilwa-->Eomer at 7:52am
Sally-->Noggie at 10:44am
Lhuna-->Legate at 1:12pm
Kent-->Rune at 2:18pm
Nienna-->Sally at 2:24pm
Legate-->Izzy at 2:52pm
Izzy-->Sally at 2:59pm
Kath-->Izzy at 2:59pm
Eomer-->Izzy at 2:59pm
Steve-->Izzy at 3:00pm
Noggie-->Sally at 3:01pm (doesn't count)

GMT-6, deadline of 3pm, innocents and baddies. Enjoy!



And toDay's votes so far. Just so we know where we stand with an hour and a half or so left in the Day.

Nerwen-->Sally at 10:56am
Rune-->Steve at 11:35am
Wilwa-->Eomer at 12:38pm
Brinn-->Eomer at 1:10pm

Which puts Eomer in the lead at two votes, with me and Steve-Oh-Noes at one a piece. 11 votes yet to come in.


I'm off to the doctor's for a bit, but when I get back I'll give you some more thoughts before I head off to nap land. Post lots while I'm gone, dearies!

(And Nilp! Not in public, you silly thing you!)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, so now it seems... a pity people who posted less before seem that they cannot post more even now, which is pretty bad. Now this is actually becoming the main point that worries me and I just wish that on Day 3 everybody will be here and posting properly!

I cannot say how I feel about Brinn now - I quite like her points concerning the Kath-issue, that's reasonable, although everybody could be reasonable, right - and basically I agree with her suspicions of Eomer, but that's all I can react to in her posts - so in fact nothing that much. Nilp looks like heating up, that's good, I'm looking forward to seeing more than just a list from him (and I expect him to do so :) ). Eönwë actually seemed quite sensible yesterDay (given the fact that he came only late), and now - well, he does not raise my alarms, for one. Although again, he's perhaps bordering the group of people who just flow under my radar screen. The same would go for Shasta for example.

I am becoming slightly worried about wilwa, like I said before, but not to any particular extent. I should take a deeper look at Nerwen, sally or Kent... and I would like to see Lhuna and Nienna posting.

Well, still, probably the one I am worried about the most is Eomer for now. But, I know what. I am going to (at least briefly) re-read the thread now once again and try to reconsider everything once again.

[Nienna]

And I'm around and will be until deadline if anyone wants to talk things out.

On discussions already started:

- I think Kath was probably a no trail kill. I know I was not personally getting any seer vibes from her and it worries me that Eomer was saying that the wolves might have thought she was the seer. This doesn't speak well to Eomer's innocence. If he is a wolf and was getting seer vibes from Kath he might have talked the other wolves into killing her with the added bonus that she wouldn't leave a trail.

- I think the Izzy lynch was just a scramble at the end of the Day. It wasn't overly bandwagony but it may have had some wolfish help.

I'll be back in a few with a suspicion list.

Edit: x-ed with Sally and Legate

[Nogrod]

Well, you are all playing it too safe!

It's basically impossible to pick the wolves when every ordo is playing it safe.

Now where is this rant coming from? From the last Day's posting in the end as you all can't be baddies... :confused:

Wilwa was going to work and popped in three hours before the DL and Lhuna voted about two hours before. After that there were certain people around, namely: Kent, me, Izzy, Legate, Kath, Eönwë, Rune, Nienna, Eomer

Leaving out the known and dead innocents and myself (a known innocent to me) it leaves a list of: Kent, Legate, Eönwë, Rune, Nienna, Eomer.

Of these two gave their votes about an half an hour+ before the DL and never showed themselves after that. Namely Kent and Nienna. Both are very carefully positioned votes - and I could bet one of them or both didn't have to rush away from the computer so they probably hung around. But on what state of mind? And why didn't they come back to share their views?

Of course we have no way to say who else was coolly watching by as things unfolded but of these two we know they were there just half an hour before the DL.

Leaving also those two aside we get the list of: Legate, Eönwë, Rune, Eomer. So these were the people whom we do not know are innocents or not but stood there to the end.

Of these Rune concentrated on defending himself and disappeared when there was twenty minutes left. So he kind of goes to the similar kind of category with Kent and Nienna, only being less cautious.

Legate was pretty straightforward with saying he was for lynching Izzy. And even if she turned out innocent I think that was reasonable. The problem being that a wolf-Legate could have done exactly the same thing...

Eomer answers for Kent on behalf of Rune (making an indirect suspicion of Izzy by that) about half an hour before the DL. Then six minutes before lists the last votes deeming all of them ok or understandable save Sally's. Wants to save me and is happy tyo choose between Sally & Izzy (three minutes to DL).

Eönwë interestingly had been around consistently saying nothing. Twenty minutes before he manages to suspect Brinn (and possibly Sally) a little (referring to my suspicions). Ten minutes before he still concentrates on philology... Six minutes before comments on Kent (a point made by Izzy) ending up ambivalent about him. Then seems to be in a hurry notifying Sally (Kath that should be?) of posting a list at such a late hour. Finally chooses at zero hour wishing to save me and feeling bad to have killed Sally too many times and ends up with Izzy.

A few thoughts to follow...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Here's what I'll do: I'll vote now, to fully demonstrate that I'm not interested in saving myself. I'm not going to vote for whoever else has votes, for survival.

But who for? Maybe a revenge vote? Wilwa has basically no case against me and when confronted with this, just brushes it off and votes for me anyway. How about Brinniel? She votes for me for reasons 'already explained' but I can't find an explanation anywhere. Maybe she could point me in the direction.

I think these two are being wilfully single-minded and could easily be villains. But I'm just as concerned about people who are playing smarter.

How about this from Nienna?

I think Kath was probably a no trail kill. I know I was not personally getting any seer vibes from her and it worries me that Eomer was saying that the wolves might have thought she was the seer. This doesn't speak well to Eomer's innocence. If he is a wolf and was getting seer vibes from Kath he might have talked the other wolves into killing her with the added bonus that she wouldn't leave a trail.

It does not speak to my innocence that I suggested the hypothesis that the nightly kill was an attempt to catch the village's greatest weapon - their Seer. This is just a crazy thing to say. I considered Nienna as a smart, quiet option before but now I'm not sure; it would also look like revenge, anyway.

Well, actually... I think I will vote for one of you.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++BRINNIEL

I can understand more that Wilwa's just got embroiled in a battle with me and feels the need to pursue it; Brinniel's posting is perhaps less excusable (this also includes her vote for Sally so I don't even have to feel too self-conscious about it).

But I'll hang around still. :smokin:

[Nogrod]

So Nienna's and Kent's behaviour looks overly careful, Rune's I've talked already.

Legate's and Eomer's look consistent - which doesn't mark them innocents but talks a bit better of them anyway.

Which means Eönwë looks pretty bad to me right now. He was around but concentrated on everything else but on the situation at hand; trying to look helpful with making comments on Brinn and Kent who were not actually "on the menu" then - and ended up more or less ambivalent. Then his vote was the last one for Izzy, someone he hadn't even mentioned earlier (compare: he had indirectly indicated he had something against Sally when commenting my suspicipon of Brinn's vote for her earlier).

But to be true, I don't like the way Kent and Nienna drew off from the scene so near but safely far away from the DL either (I would be amazed if they both were wolves but one of them could be).

[Eönwë]

The only problem I have with voting this way, is that I have a feeling that this could just be the way Eönwë plays, no matter if he is bad or good.

It is.

And now for a list...

[Eönwë]

he had indirectly indicated he had something against Sally when commenting my suspicipon of Brinn's vote for her earlier).
Anyway, here I was referring more to Brinn than Sally. I even mentioned (maybe not so clearly) in my post that it might be pushing it too far to assume that Sally was in on it. But Brinn seemed too apologetic and un-... (well, I can't remember the word I'm looking for but I sort of mean that she made it look like she didn't really mean the vote) for my liking.

edit: no x-ing sadly. And only 30 mins to DL!

[Nogrod]

No problem there with you referring more to Brinn there Eönwë. I think that was quite clear. The thing was that as you at the end said you'd be choosing between Sally and Izzy you had at least indirectly pointed at Sally beforehand as a possible suspect but you hadn't said a word about Izzy whom you voted...

And your vote came from the bushes and no one had an idea who you were going to vote - and you didn't actually help us in that...

[Eönwë]

Nienna - A pirate eh? You know what we do to pirates...
Kent2010 - He might scam us into joining him :eek:
Legate of Amon Lanc - rebels are never good for a stable society. I saw giive 'im the same treatment as pirates"
Nogrod - I don't fancy bein' hit by 'is famous The Cat O' Nine tails
Shastanis Althreduin - Pshhh! King?
wilwarin538 - A magic doer. Evil most likely.
Nerwen - See Shasta
Nilpaurion Felagund - can't be too fussy when lynchin'
Rune Son of Bjarne - See Wilwa. Only he has a more dramatic name.
Lhunardawen - See Legate
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Rohan? I dont like them thar people.
Groin Redbeard - The warlord is quiet. Who know what he plots
satansaloser2005 - Who is she? No fancy title? Why is she here?
Brinniel - See Sally


Oh... It was a serious list you wanted? :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Okay. Get real people!

Where are you?

Any ideas you have?

[Eönwë]

No problem there with you referring more to Brinn there Eönwë. I think that was quite clear. The thing was that as you at the end said you'd be choosing between Sally and Izzy you had at least indirectly pointed at Sally beforehand as a possible suspect but you hadn't said a word about Izzy whom you voted...

And your vote came from the bushes and no one had an idea who you were going to vote - and you didn't actually help us in that...

Ah. I see. Well, I've too often voted Sally when she seems suspicious and she turns out to be innocent. So I wanted to give her a chance to talk. Anyway, she didn't really seem very suspicious, not enough to lynch someone off.

edit: x-ed wi' Noggie

Where is everyone!?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's really quiet, and so many votes to come.

[Nogrod]

After seeing Eönwë's list...

Never mind. I give up. Go and hang yourselves everyone. No sense in trying to help you people... :(

:)

Could I vote for everyone?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it took me somewhat longer to re-read the thread, I was being... erm... distracted.

But anyway, after re-reading... the main points are that about Eomer... I confirmed my main feeling that it's actually not really that he would seem so suspicous to me, in the sense of seeming evil, but just being strange. That is, acting in a way... sort of not doing things that would seem beneficial in my opinion, but even not sure what would he gain from it as a Wraith - except for possibly picking his innocence from the Kath-theory: but that would be such a complicated way of getting innocentishness... only if Eomer-Wraith would be really convinced (and his mates likely too!) that what Kath said was a seer hint, he would think that other villagers would think that too - but basically, that is as much stretching it as Eomer's theory itself seems to me.

But anyway, the other thing when re-reading was a slight more suspicion I gained about wilwa... I am just wondering about her voting for these two days, whether the consistency in it could not be artificial... but well. I guess I don't have much time till DL, so let's see now who has posted meanwhile and then get into voting... Hm.

EDIT: x-ed since Eönwë 209 or such

[Nienna]

List as promised:

Kent2010 - Innocentish - I'm not seeing any real reason to suspect him. He has been posting and giving opinions. Voted Rune Day One. He's using reason and I'm reading his posts and they make it seem like he's never been a wolf. Which speaks to his innocence. If he a wolf I give him props.

Legate of Amon Lanc - No Idea - I'm not really really sure whats up with him. I'm not getting any overly good or bad vibes. Voted Izzy Day One. He is being reasonable.

Nogrod - Innocentish - His taking over as leader seems rather normal. His pushing of people to make a reaction seems legitimate. Vote didn't count.

Shastanis Althreduin - No Idea - Voted Nog Day One

wilwarin538 - No Idea - I'm leaning evilish. Voted Eomer Day One and Day Two. I'm thinking I might agree with who ever commented that the Eomer/Wilwa thing might be wolf on wolf.

Nerwen - Leaning Innocent - Didn't vote Day One, voted Sally Day Two.

Nilpaurion Felagund - Leaning Innocent - Voted self Day One. He seems to have made some sense toDay and is being reasonable.

Rune Son of Bjarne - No Idea - voted Izzy Day One. I have really no idea... could go either way.

Lhunardawen - No Idea - Voted Legate Day One. Same as Rune could go either way.

Eomer of the Rohirrim - Leaning Evil - Voted Izzy at the last minute Day One and voted Brinn toDay with no real reasoning. Of all the players talking the most, he is the one who is worrying me. It's not necessarily anything concrete that I can point to in a post number but more of an overall sense of something being not innocent. His interaction with Wilwa and his thoughts on the Kath kill are the most suspicious.

Groin Redbeard - No Idea - Nope no idea at all. Didn't vote Day One.

satansaloser2005 - Evil - Voted Nog day One with no real reason and voted I'm getting terrible evil vibes from her. This could be just the way she is playing or that she can't post much but if she is innocent she needs to post something helpful really really soon for me to not vote for her.

Eönwë - No Idea - Voted Izzy at the last minute.

Brinniel - Leaning Innocentish - She voted Sally day One and Eomer toDay. She's been really busy with RL and what she has posted has made a lot of sense.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I am sorry, Eönwë, but I'm afraid my ability to take your list at face value is somewhat degraded by its content. I would have believed that anyone would have something better to do with a list than that . . .

I am highly suspicious of you, and you will probably receive my vote for that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, now I got completely puzzled at Eönwë's list: could you explain what is that supposed to mean? (Though not that you could not have picked a better time for that...)

EDIT: again x-ed since my last post

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I am aghast.

Vague suspicion lists seem to be in vogue.

A way to announce, 'Oh, I'm contributing', while keeping one's true thoughts hidden.

This is disturbing indeed.

[wilwarin538]

Managed to make it on for some quick comments before the end.


But anyway, the other thing when re-reading was a slight more suspicion I gained about wilwa... I am just wondering about her voting for these two days, whether the consistency in it could not be artificial... but well.

I can honestly say that my vote for Eomer yesterDay was random. The coin could have landed on Legate and I would still be suspicious of Eomer toDay, and good with Legate toDay. I'm not doing it purely to look consistent. I honestly just don't like the way Eomer is acting, I find him very defensive and eager to make himself look innocent.

Just wanted to comment on that quickly to just clear this up for good. I have to say I'm surprised on the small amount of votes so close to the end.

X'posted with a bunch actually

[Nogrod]

Looking how the clouds gather over Eomer I must say I'm a bit puzzled. He looks strange but that seldom means a wolf.

[wilwarin538]

Just saw the actual content of Eonwe's list....uhm, it's not Day 1 anymore, there really is no need for that.

[Nogrod]

Sally and Eönwë topping my list of suspicions right now.

[Nienna]

++ Sally

Edit: x-ed with Nog and Wilwa

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, you know what, right now I would almost feel like voting more some wilwa than Eomer, though my suspicion of wilwa is rather shallow and I have not yet had the time to think about it more.

One word to say for certain, I'm really a bit disappointed by the amount of people who are still not around toDay as much as I hoped them to be. Well of course, many are for some RL reasons - that's all right. But still, ah well, and mainly, those who could but would not post, that would be the worst.

And Eönwë, any explanations... gah, great. Should vote...

EDIT: okay, x-ed again basically since my last...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nienna - uneasy
Kent2010 - decent
Legate of Amon Lanc - somewhat uneasy
Nogrod - quite good
Shastanis Althreduin - slightly uneasy
wilwarin538 - not good at all
Nerwen - allright, I suppose
Nilpaurion Felagund - ok
Rune Son of Bjarne - small bit uneasy
Lhunardawen - allright, I suppose
Groin Redbeard - n/a
satansaloser2005 - uneasy
Eönwë - a bit uneasy
Brinniel - not good at all

Not especially helpful, I'm sure, but there you go.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Vague suspicion lists, coincidentally, limited my capacity for taking Legate and Eomer's innocence as a given.

But that for another DAY. My case has not yet been completely penned--and will like not be completed toDAY.

++Eönwë

[Kent2010]

I probably should have voted before my classes, wow this is horrible.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I can honestly say that my vote for Eomer yesterDay was random. The coin could have landed on Legate and I would still be suspicious of Eomer toDay, and good with Legate toDay. I'm not doing it purely to look consistent. I honestly just don't like the way Eomer is acting, I find him very defensive and eager to make himself look innocent.

Okay, well, whatever. I may as well look at wilwa more toMorrow, if I'm around.

Let's see.

++Eomer

[wilwarin538]

Nerwen-->Sally
Rune--> Steve
Wilwa-->Eomer
Brinn-->Eomer
Eomer --> Brinn
Nienna --> Sally (2)
Nilp --> Eonwe
Legate --> Eomer (3)

I believe that's it...

[Nogrod]

That did it Legate.

Do not lynch Eomer!

++ Eönwë

[Kent2010]

How about Shasta? I have seen this not-appearing act too many times and he got away with it as a baddie before, we shouldn't keep giving out free passes while we lynch the people who are showing a willingness (maybe regretably) posting.

[Nogrod]

And others as well.

Sorry to play this recklessly, but I thought I needed to get us all some more info about how the baddies work so I have been possibly a culprit for one more inncent's death. That remains to be seen.

But now we have a full second Day data and the end-of-the-Day voting to be read toMorrow where the wolves don't know that one of them was caught already - and hopefully another toMorrow.


So I am your seer and I will give you one ringwraith.


Legate is a ringwraith and should be lynched toMorrow.

I will check Nerwen toNight - the ranger saving me that is. I'm pretty positive I can then give you two ringwraiths toMorrow. I'll explain toMorrow how I found her up.

If the ranger fails, lynch Legate and then continue with that. You will then see, why I was suspecting Sally fex. (Legate held her as a suspect but never took it at heart or did anything to it - but went on consistently after Izzy).

Legate was indeed my dream on Night1 already but I had to keep him at bay - and as it was he, I trusted he wouldn't kill me on the first gameNight. But the coming Night I'm not too positive the "honeymoon" will last - especially as no-one suspects me too much anymore.

Sadly I wasted my other dream on Kath last Night. My first post toDay tells you why I picked her quite straightforwardly. My other candidates for dreaming were Sally, Rune and Eomer. Rune I feel a bit better about now but the other two are harder to say. I hope we have found it out from one of them when you read this or just after it (I'm writing this about half an hour before the DL to be sent at the last minute).


And if you ranger are having any doubts just think whether I as a wolf would like to come up this early trying to fool you? There would be no sense in it as the numbers are still with us the villagers and I'm in no imminent danger of being lynched without a chance to reveal my knowledge (which I'm doing right now).



PS. If at the possible last minute rush you lynched me then look at the people who worked it. And check Nerwen's post where she carefully adds to Legate's innocence with Lhuna still being alive... (I thought of that but I knew Legate is a baddie so I wondered why they left her alive). That's wolf-talk as they must have pondered whether to kill Lhuna or not last Night...

Did they think she was protected last Night or did they think the kill would be too obvious? I could have played it once more for all or nothing as Lhuna hasn't been around but I'm afraid I'm blinking away from that risk. Lhuna might be a wolf as well, that is. So no risks in the end.

[Eönwë]

I know it looks hypocritical especially when I have attacked (well, that's a bit of a strong word) someone when they have done the same. But if you insist...

Nienna - Seems like she's trying to help, but maybe a little false. However she may just not be getting any vibes like me, so I'm not ready to incriminate her yet.
Kent2010 - No idea. Never played with him before. He's doing a good job if he hasn't played WW/Mafia/etc before the Downs.
Legate of Amon Lanc - Mixed. There are many things he says that seem reasonable and helpful, while some things he says just seem a little sinister, but there's nothing I can pin down.
Nogrod - Seems innocent enough, but he's very good at hiding as an evil one.
Shastanis Althreduin - hasn't said much. Not enough for me to say anything on.
wilwarin538 - Seems a little evil. The way she posts
Nerwen - I have no idea. She doesn't speak much.
Nilpaurion Felagund - Just Nilp. However, his list seemed a bit too much, maybe a last-minute bid for survival?
Rune Son of Bjarne - I have no idea. He just comes and goes in waves. A very grey area for me.
Lhunardawen - Seems to be slipping under my radar, but hasn't said anything suspicious. It's probably just because she's being quiet.
Eomer of the Rohirrim - Totally enigmatic as usual. Originally seemed a little evil to me, now he seems more direct and honest. Not sure.
Groin Redbeard - Not spoken.
satansaloser2005 -Seems a little victimised to me. She hasn't really said anything I find suspicious.
Brinniel - Still don't like her vote for Sally. Seems a little evil to me.

[Kent2010]

++Eonwe

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now, one more thing to say - I feel quite somewhat better about Nienna right now, basically because she started to post. People like Shasta though make me slightly uncomfortable, I think there was nothing about Shasta in particular that he would not be able to post toDay, or was it? "Nogrod with human face" or whatever, I'd like people not to hide in the shadows.

[Nogrod]

Shasta would be a good choice as well. But today the wolf tried to kill Eomer - and I'm afraid it was not a buddy on buddy.

[Eönwë]

++Eomer

Best to save an innocent (me)

[Thinlómien]

Stop posting.

[Thinlómien]

The lordlings were very grieved by adorable Lady Kath's death, in fact, so grieved that many of them could only cry and sob in the corners and not discuss the murder. Worst of all was poor Warlord Groin, who had already been badly upset by Lady Lómiel's death – now he was totally distraught. He had not said a single word in the public discussion, just mumbled something about taking his own life. No one paid much attention to his whispered threats, though...

The gloominess did not affect all, in fact, many of the guests were discussing just as actively as the day before, but still nearly a third of them refused to state any opinion on who should be killed. They had had enough innocent blood... or so they thought.

There was a heated debate whether they should get rid of Eomer, the houndmaster, or Lord Eönwë, and no conclusion could be reached. After some debate, they were getting impatient...

”What if you just kill them both?”

The guests froze. Lord Thinroz, whom they had not seen for the whole day, had silently walked into the room.

”That's what you want, right? More bloodshed in my house. Kill each oher, kill, kill all of yourselves, I don't care. You murderers.”

The guests eyes each other unsurely. However mad their host appeared, they did not want to insult him, truly, it would have been against all old codes of hosts and guests. So, after a pause, Captain Nogrod ventured:

”Don't you really have a preference, my lord? We cannot quite reach a compromise...”
”Preference? Ha! Of course I have a preference!” the old man cackled. ”Kill him!” He pointed at Eomer. ”Kill him! He was not grieved by my daughter's death, and he said he didn't care if everybody here died! Let him taste the sweetness of his own words, truly!”

The guests saw no better alternative than to obey their host. Those most strongly against Eomer were about to go to look for suitable weapons when Lord Thinroz stopped them. ”Nay! I said, let him taste it. So I say, let him taste how it is to be me, a man tortured by loss. Housekeeper! Bring my sleeping medicine! A tenfold dose. Now.”

The housekeeper, looking very pale, emerged from the kitchen in a few minutes. She was holding a mug full of dark green liquid.

”You have to drink it,” Wilwarin said to Eomer. Brinn and Legate walked to Eomer's sides and threatened him with knives.

”I got it, I got it!” he said. ”I'll have it. But just, don't think you made the right choice. And you, old man, I tell you, you're not going to leave this house alive, so don't gloat! You accuse me of bloodlust, yet you are even worse!”

That being said, he drank the potion. Almost immediately, he collapsed onto the table. Nothing in his body indicated that he had been a part of the murder conspiracy, nor did a search through his room reveal anything either.

Feeling even gloomier than in the morning, the guests retreated to their rooms.

~*~

Dead
Lommy (mod) - Lady Lómiel Starbrow, the hostess – killed on Night1
Isabellkya (ordo) - lynched on Day1
Kath (ordo) – killed on Night2
Eomer of the Rohirrim (ordo) - lynched on Day2

Alive
Nienna - pirate
Kent2010 - Black Númenórean scam artist
Legate of Amon Lanc - rebelling Haradian King
Nogrod - Corsair Captain "The Cat O' Nine tails of Ethir Anduin"
Shastanis Althreduin - King of the Sea
wilwarin538 - sorceress
Nerwen - Queen of the Sea
Nilpaurion Felagund - fussy courtier
Rune Son of Bjarne - Tivo the Sorceror
Lhunardawen - rebelling Haradian Queen
Groin Redbeard - Variag Warlord of Khand
satansaloser2005
Eönwë
Brinniel

Night3 has begun. Un-ordos, you know what to do.

[Thinlómien]

Once again, the four met in the salon. They sat around the table there in silence for a long time. Then, one of them spoke.

”Remember Eomer's words today? Do you reckon it would be a good idea to make them true and get rid of Lord Thinroz?”
”Lord Thinroz? No. It would create chaos and panic, and we do not want that,” another replied.
”Not yet,” added a third voice.
”Yes,” the second speaker agreed.
”Then we have to kill someone else,” the fourth one said, rather matter-of-factly.
”But whom? Are there any orders? Wishes?” the one who had spoken first asked.
”I think he said we would have to deal with this to the best of our abilities, and he would not intervene,” the third speaker said.
”So then let us kill someone we don't want to be around anymore. I have a suggestion,” said the one who had replied the original question.
The other listened his talk and quickly agreed the suggestion was a good one.

~*~

Kent was fast asleep when they entered his room. He woke up when the door close behind the intruders. ”Who are you? What are you doing in my room?” he shouted at the cloaked figures that approached him with swords in their hands. None of them made a reply. They circled him, and he was overcome by fear, and froze. He saw the tallest of the figures raise his sword and the blade approach him tormentingly slowly until everything ended, although in reality it had been less than a second between the figure raising his sword and Kent's head falling on the floor.

”Neat,” one of the decapitator's companions observed.
”Not too much so,” the decapitator himself replied, wiping his sword on Kent's clothes.
”Now we only have to move the body...” the third one said.
”Ah why bother? They will already suspect murder and to be honest, no one wants to wipe blood off the table, or look at the ugly cow doing it looking terrified,” the fourth one said.

~*~

When the guests woke up next morning and came down to the hall, it was empty. There was no lord Thinroz, no housekeeper, no body.

”Oh no more murder!” Brinn sighed happily.
”No more murder?” asked Sally. ”Then where's Kent?”

The guests exchanged glances.

”I'll go and see if he's still asleep,” Wilwarin volunteered.
”I'm coming with you. Just to check,” Legate said.

After a few minutes they came back to the main hall.

”He's been murdered,” Wilwarin reported.
”Head cut off,” Legate added.

”Well then it's up to the housekeeper to get rid of the body and up to us to discuss, ladies and gentlemen,” concluded Nilpaurion the courtier.

~*~

Dead
Lommy (mod) - Lady Lómiel Starbrow, the hostess – killed on Night1
Isabellkya (ordo) - lynched on Day1
Kath (ordo) – killed on Night2
Eomer of the Rohirrim (ordo) - lynched on Day2
Kent2010 (ordo) - Black Númenórean scam artist - killed on Night3

Alive
Nienna - pirate
Legate of Amon Lanc - rebelling Haradian King
Nogrod - Corsair Captain "The Cat O' Nine tails of Ethir Anduin"
Shastanis Althreduin - King of the Sea
wilwarin538 - sorceress
Nerwen - Queen of the Sea
Nilpaurion Felagund - fussy courtier
Rune Son of Bjarne - Tivo the Sorceror
Lhunardawen - rebelling Haradian Queen
Groin Redbeard - Variag Warlord of Khand
satansaloser2005
Eönwë
Brinniel

Day3 has begun. Lordlingses, I want postses. Hunter, I can tak a pic if you want to change.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, so. Before I move to trying to look at the Nightly kill itself, let me state one thing first. Or, rather ask.

Nogrod, the claim you made yesterDay just before the end of voting. Could you now please tell us who is that you have dreamt of toNight? Seemingly you had the time to do that, so just tell us.

I am asking, mainly, because I am innocent - an ordinary villager. But I first want to hear what is then the dream you had toNight, Nog.

I hope you are around, meanwhile I will take a look if I can find a clue in as to why was Kent killed, and also maybe re-check the voting yesterDay. Be back in a short while.

[Nogrod]

Very interesting game from the wolves indeed last Night!

On other matters there are the good news and the bad news.

Bad news are I haven't two wolves to give you.

Good news are that Nerwen is an ordo and will bring her sharp mind to aid you for two Days now (I was suspecting her the most because she seemed to be so well in in the minds of the lupine-thinking).

I'll be back with some more thoughts after the ice-hockey game ends... which should be in half an hour or something.

EDIT: X'd with Legate... Nice try.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ha, okay, good, so Nog actually posted. Fine, so I will actually do it now - I can go a bit forward in my thinking once you have posted.

Let's see... I have been thinking about it during the Night a lot, because of course, knowing that I am innocent, Nogrod did not tell the truth yesterDay. Of course, the first idea (apart from being aiiieee-heated up by the fact that I could not reply to that claim rightaway!) was that the Wraiths are pulling a plot here, but then, I was just thinking, why the heck are they picking me of all people? Okay Nog, if you did that, that's really pretty nasty. I was actually thinking whether they won't be thinking that I am a Seer or something, but then, why not just to Night-kill the Seer, right. Of course, such a claim of Nog's could lure out a real Seer.

Now. I wonder. Okay, if we have a real Seer, of course it might be helpful for him/her to come out now, especially if he/she knows about Nog's claims, which now could shed some light also at Nerwen's role etc. But that's upon his/her decision: if he/she thinks she could live further, or whatever...

Okay, I have been also considering, actually, if Nog is not really just being bold Seer and playing some game (like blindly trying whether I am a Wolf), or even a Hunter, or whatever... taking into account that he posted his claim only very late yesterDay so that there was no room to discuss it, I thought perhaps he might have done that to confuse the Wolves or something... but now given that he posted his first post and did not clarify anything (like saying "okay, another news, Legate is actually ordo, I did this as a bait for Wolves" or anything), I think I can basically only suppose he is a Wraith. Or if not, then speak up, Nog.

Of course, I am also looking forward to seeing Nerwen post, as one could possibly conclude something from that too.

Okay, I will see - now going to check at least Kent now.

[Nogrod]

Sorry Legate. I did actually feel a bit bad thinking that you'd face a whole Day as a known wolf - and that you would have to either come up with something (which you'd granted have 24 hours to think about with your mates - including the night kill) or then just give up. That's not a nice situation, I know.

And it's applaudable how you try with speculation about the "real seer" or looking back for motives why Kent was killed.

Very good indeed from your part. You play nicely.

And it's true in fact that you don't know if I'm the real seer. But you know I'm right with your role. :)

Anyway, after you are lynched toDay and shown your evil alignment and I'm dead toMorrow as the seer, then this little excercise is over for both of us. Which is in a way sad but no can do. I just couldn't trust on your goodwill the last Night and so I had to act.

I mean I would have been forced to make a clear enough hint about your evil role yesterDay as I couldn't count myself among the living toDay by just staying away from you with enough high a probability. But had I made it, you guys would have killed me the last Night without a chance to get one more dream. Being a seer is fun but quite stressing. If you have one wolf bagged is it enough? Can you risk another Day without hinting about it clearly enough and lose one baddie for the village just because you want to take the risk?

Well, I decided not to take the risk.

So just to underline the situation: Legate is a ringwraith.

++ Legate

There.

And Nerwen is a plain ordinary innocent - probably for two Days more (if the ranger works decently).


Okay. Now a cigarette first and then a few thoughs before going to bed.

[Nogrod]

Two starters...

the fact that I could not reply to that claim rightawayThat was intentional my friend.

When the seer reveals it always makes the rest of the Day basically invalid as then the wolves will know what they're up to and will adjust their act to fit the new situation. And it just came to me yesterDay why no one had tried that plan before, eg. revealing only at the last minute so that we have voting and reactions from the wolves who think they are safe from that Day?

I do hope some analysis on that with the knowledge we have now will help us.

Of course, such a claim of Nog's could lure out a real Seer.I'll bet you there won't be one! ToMorrow any trial by the baddies toDay would be revealed to be fake and you can't afford to lose two among you in two consecutive Days. Even if you nasties started with four against only thirteen.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, Kent actually posted just a little, so it was possible to go through all of his posts relatively fast...

Day 1
#12 - In-character.
#16 - In-character. That deal offering that's been discussed a bit here.
#63 - reply to Eomer, and to Nogrod: "so that you are the only one allowed to be hasty?" and explaining to him his deal as merely in-character. Suspects Rune a bit, but does not suspect Nog, thinks he is his style.
#65 - reply to [B]wilwa[/B: hypocrits does not = wraiths, also once again says he's ok with Nog
#66 - feeling good about Legate and Eomer, otherwise "a bit blur"
#78 - voted Rune, wonders how 98% random vote can be "sensible"

Overall reserved, the only person he actually raised suspicion about being Rune. But that was promptly negated...

Day 2
#124 - He no longer suspects Rune, because of going again through his posts and finding the way he went after Nogrod innocent. He asks Rune why he voted Izzy and not wilwa, and then wonders about whether people always say "if I am alive..." etc. And he says he has completely flipped about Nogrod.
#138 - disappointed with Nogrod because he voted past DL and seemed not to care of Izzy or sally, whoever gets lynched. Asks why he didn't vote for the silent ones.
#168 - reply to Nerwen on thinking how Eomer set a trap, mentioning that not only wraiths but also innocents might fall into it, thinking also about why they killed Kath, that they'd first go for Seer in his opinion, but asking if going for a no-trail kill is also an usual thing...
#176 - more reply to Nerwen about Eomer's trap
#178 - reply to Eomer on the trap, apologies to Nogrod for using the term "aggressive"
#183 - reply to Eomer, says he did not spot a baddie yet, talk to Rune, clarifying, about wilwa - was confused by her before but now thinks her rather innocent, just like he did Rune before
#229 - should vote
#233 - asks where is Shasta, remembers that he got away with being quiet as a baddie before
#236 - votes Eönwë

Basically: the sudden flip-flop at the start of the Day could raise the alarms and make somebody think about his Seerishness, okay, if that was so, perhaps the Wraiths might have picked him based on that. Though, there was Nogrod who claimed to be a Seer: so this would not make sense. The one option would be, of course, if Nogrod was not a Seer and the Wraiths knew it. But in the case that Nogrod was a Wraith (and so his packmates would know that his claim is not real), if Kent was killed and been found a Seer, Nogrod would be immediately revealed as a false Seer. Okay, still, it would be a quite fair trade of one Wraith for a Seer, which would not necessarily be as bad for the Wraiths, as they would get rid of probably the most dangerous enemy. However, then it made no sense for Nogrod to reveal by the end of the Day - unless f.ex. others thought Kent a Seer and Nogrod didn't, and only after the Day ended, they told each other, and decided to go after Kent after all. Well, possible, though it seems weird to me.

Another possibility would be, of course, the typical "no trace", as Kent said just very little about people at large, or nothing at all about many. There were also people being suspected by him, so that's another possibility - they might fear him. But why him of all people... I mean, Kent looked quite sensible to me, but not particularly "dangerous" in the sense of being a strong public figure like Nogrod f.ex., who would be capable to "lead" the village according to his opinions...

As for his votes: he changed his mind on Rune at first, and voted for Eönwë the day after that, though he did not voice any particular opinion about him before... may be so that he voted him only after Nogrod's claim - that would make sense, although he posted only very shortly after him and it was in this last-minute confusion. He did not mark any cross-posting on his post, but that is not a proof that he didn't: people don't do that always.

All in all... okay, these are basic thoughts and I will still think about this. Particularly in relation to Nogrod, of course. But I should also go to sleep... will be around for a bit yet, and see. Maybe some more people posted meanwhile (well I guess they did... I got once again a bit distracted and took far longer than I expected... eek).

[Nogrod]

Funny that the seer and a ringwraith are having a dialogue with all others still sleeping or something.

Quite a nice picture though. :)


But where are you others? Have the ringwraiths killed you in RL?

*posting soon a longer one before sleep*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, well - now I guess that did it, Nogrod, there is practically no other choice for me, but that you are a Wraith. Now the thing is to figure out what are you doing and what did you follow with the death of Kent, and also Kath before - okay, though the no-trail kill is really likely. But then, also perhaps who your packmates might be. Anyway, let's see. I will probably not be here for long at night, but will pop up in the morning (my time, that is, in several hours). Anyway, I just appeal on everybody to not take Nogrod's claims for granted. Critical thinking, yes, use your own thinking.

Anyway Nogrod, you are just impossible.