T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Nienna]

No, you didn't miss anything. It's just instinct.

...okay...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Voting this far:

Captain
Roa –> Gwath
Fea –> Lommy
Nerwen –> Nienna
Kath -> Lommy
sally -> Kath
Gwath -> Lommy (3)

Didn't vote: Nienna, Loslote, Greenie, Lommy, Legate

Guard
Roa –> Kath (Invalid vote)
Fea –> Greenie
Nerwen –> Gwath
Kath -> Fea
sally -> Nienna
Gwath -> Loslote

Didn't vote: Nienna, Loslote, Greenie, Lommy, Legate

Lynch
Roa –> Legate
Fea –> Roa
Kath -> Greenie
Legate -> Roa (2)

Didn't vote: Nienna, Sally, Loslote, Greenie, Nerwen, Lommy, Gwath

[A Little Green]

Okay, I thought I'd be able to be around rather more toDay, making lists and stuff. I wasn't. Now I'm awful tired and want to go to bed and Lommy wants to do that too which means I'll have to be brief. So:

++ lynch Roa

Even if she's innocent, which I doubt, her death will shed some light on people like Lommy.

++ Nienna for Captain

Now I know it's risky to vote her as Captain for a second Day but this seems the only way for me. I don't trust Lommy enough to give her that power, and yet she seems to be on the lead - and Gwath, the other one besides her to have received votes, I have much too little to go on to judge properly.

Finally,

++ Nerwen for Night Guard

Because, like I've said before, I think she's a one who could really make use of that role.


EDIT: x-ed with Nienna and Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, updated...

Captain
Roa –> Gwath
Fea –> Lommy
Nerwen –> Nienna
Kath -> Lommy
sally -> Kath
Gwath -> Lommy (3)
Greenie -> Nienna (2)

Didn't vote: Nienna, Loslote, Lommy, Legate

Guard
Roa –> Kath (Invalid vote)
Fea –> Greenie
Nerwen –> Gwath
Kath -> Fea
sally -> Nienna
Gwath -> Loslote
Greenie -> Nerwen

Didn't vote: Nienna, Loslote, Lommy, Legate

Lynch
Roa –> Legate
Fea –> Roa
Kath -> Greenie
Legate -> Roa (2)
Greenie -> Roa (3)

Didn't vote: Nienna, Sally, Loslote, Nerwen, Lommy, Gwath

[Nienna]

Legate: Do you have an opinion of Lommy?

[Thinlómien]

Everybody seems to assume both Legate and Roa can't be innocent, but it occurs to me that may be the case... :rolleyes: Legate feels rather innocent to me and I'm very torn about Roa. I feel like taking the coward standpoint: you can lynch her if you wish, but I'm not going to be a part of that.

Speaking of which, it does worry me that there's such a consensus for lynching Roa. Firstly, because wolves can hide in a consensus. Secondly, because (like somebody already said) toDay has mostly been revolving around Roa, which is counter-productive. And thirdly, because whenever the village is more or less unanimous in a lynch it's a lynch of an innocent (or an obvious wolf, which I don't think Roa is if she is one).

And you people had better think of some third reasonable Captain candidate because otherwise I'm going to vote myself, which would feel gross.


edit: xed with Leg and Ni

[Thinlómien]

++Nerwen for Guard

Because she's smart and I'd like to keep her around.

[Gwathagor]

I hate it when I get to the end of the Day and I don't know who to vote. I always feel like I have to make something up.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am actually wondering about the Captain vote. Because, while on one hand I would support Nienna and not be entirely sure with Lommy in that position (aside from that, I have RL reasons why I would not want Lommy to be too busy by Nightly tasks toMorrow :) ...although well, even that might depend), I am wondering, it won't necessarily need to be that bad. Thinking, thinking. Speaking of that, after Gwath appeared and there was chance to see him posting, I am not uncomfortable with him either, though I don't think there will be much support for him for it to make sense to vote him.

EDIT: x-ed since my last post

[Thinlómien]

I can't really say anything about people, or suspect anybody, so I'm committing the anti-Nogrod crime (since he's modding :p) and make a list at the last minutes to arrange my thoughts:

Fea - confuses me a lot
Nienna - looks still quite innocent even though there's something in her attitude that I don't like
Sally - seems innocent enough
Kath - I like it that she really had a different view on many things, it is usually a sign of innocence
Loslote - a questionmark
Greenie - more on the innocent side although I'm not convinced
Nerwen - seems innocent and is very helpful
Roa - the mess-maker, either her normal dramatic self or wolf having a show... you never know
Legate - I trust him but not his judgement, he seems innocent but I disagree with him a lot
Gwath - seems quite innocent

and there are THREE wolves in that lot. Ouch.

Alright - I think it's maybe Fea. Then possibly Loslote. And then who? Roa? Greenie? Actually there's something funny between Roa and Fea, really.


edit xed with Gwath (whom I agree with) and Legate (the swine :D)

[Loslote]

Since she said herself she would be around much...

++ Roa

I think Legate's innocent. I'm still hazy on Greenie and Nerwen, but nothing concrete, so I'm not going to vote either of them.

Gwath has made some really good points recently, but since he hasn't been around much earlier, the wolves might think he would be somewhat trailless a kill. Therefore,

++ Night Guard Gwath

Lommy doesn't seem suspicious to me, and I think she'd be a good Captain, so

++ Captain Lommy

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate: Do you have an opinion of Lommy?
Actually, now after seeing her last post, that settles it. I feel uncomfortable about her again. I do not have that big problem with the "coward standpoint", that's something understandable and I have done that myself or felt like doing that myself many times, but all the "I am the voice of reason" performance just strikes me as weird in some way. Well, anyway. I guess we might be wiser about Lommy if we lynch Roa. Hm.

EDIT: x-ed since my last post, heijj, who is the swine? :D

[Gwathagor]

Actually there's something funny between Roa and Fea, really.



Funny like what? Fea started the Roa-bandwagon after all, didn't she?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, that's horrible! After Lommy's last post, I again think better of her. :rolleyes: I should get a rest.

[Nienna]

I have absolutely no idea what to do about the Captain thing... bah.

Fea starting a Roa-wagon might actually point to her guilt.

[Thinlómien]

I checked very quickly Roa and Rune's interactions and it looked slightly alarming until Roa voted him. I'm not convinced she'd have done that as a wolf: yes, she could pull it off, but why do it if it wasn't necessary?

Funny like what? Fea started the Roa-bandwagon after all, didn't she?She did? Well, as if it did matter - Fea could pull that off beautifully if they were fellows. I cant' really say what was funny, I don't remember (I should go back and have a look) and I don't have the time now, but I remember something caught my attention there.

edit: xed with Nienna

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. I am putting my thoughts on Lommy on ice now. I need to think of that in peace. For now, I do not feel comfortable enough to vote for her, but whatever.

Let's make it this way:

++Nienna Captain
++NG Nienna

(We can do it, right? Vote for the same people for different things? Kind of a failsafe-choice. Though, I am fine with Nerwen, too, but I cast my vote for Ni now.)

EDIT: x-ed with Nienna and Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Anyone for a last minute Nerwen-for-Captain-wagon? Although we have to concentrate on the lynch too...

edit: xed with Legate

[Nienna]

Updated vote count anyone?

[Thinlómien]

*deep sigh*

++Lommy for Captain



(Can't pretend I'm not enjoying this on some level, though... :p)

[Nogrod]

(We can do it, right? Vote for the same people for different things?I see no reason why not...


Captaincy:
Roa -> Gwath
Fea -> Lommy
Nerwen -> Nienna
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Kath
Gwath -> Lommy
Greenie -> Nienna
Loslote -> Lommy
Legate -> Nienna 3
Lommy -> Lommy 5

NG:
Roa -> Kath (INVALID VOTE)
Fea -> Greenie
Nerwen -> Gwath
Kath -> Fea
Sally -> Nienna
Gwath -> Loslote
Greenie -> Nerwen
Lommy -> Nerwen 2
Loslote -> Gwath 2
Legate -> Nienna 2

Lynching:
Roa -> Legate
Fea -> Roa
Kath -> Greenie
Legate -> Roa
Greenie -> Roa
Loslote -> Roa 4

[Nienna]

I don't know if I like Lommy's self-vote.

[Thinlómien]

++lynch Fea

to give an alternative.

I can't pretend I have concrete evidence against her, but that doesn't mean I don't suspect her.


edit: xed

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fea starting a Roa-wagon might actually point to her guilt.

I have been thinking the same.

(Can't pretend I'm not enjoying this on some level, though... :p)

Horrible :p ;)

[Gwathagor]

Well, it makes me feel awfully unoriginal, but Roa is the best lynch candidate that I can find at the moment. Unless I have a flash of insight in the next few minutes, I voting for her.

[Thinlómien]

Nienna, that was the only reasonable option for me in order to prevent having a full-power Captain.

xed with Legate and Gwath

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't know if I like Lommy's self-vote.

At least personally, I don't think it would be any eyebrow-rising by itself. I can see an innocent Lommy doing that, only a Wolf Lommy would do the same with one more reason.

EDIT: again x-ed since my post

[Nienna]

At least personally, I don't think it would be any eyebrow-rising by itself. I can see an innocent Lommy doing that, only a Wolf Lommy would do the same with one more reason.

Yeah... its not that I think she is particularly guilty, I'm just not convinced of her innocence. I hope she is innocent.

[Gwathagor]

(continued from thought process of my last post) It's not that I disagree with the points Roa's made against Legate, it's that I disagree with the case she makes out of those points. Plus her attempts to have me made Night-Guard and Captain have made me uneasy with her.

[Loslote]

I'm leaning toward thinking Lommy's innocent. Fea's actions do seem a bit suspicious, but I'm not sure about her yet.

[Gwathagor]

Fine, whatever.

++ROa

[Thinlómien]

Well it looks like whatever you people do (unless someone retracts) Roa will be lynched and I will be the Captain.


edit: xed with Gwath

[Nienna]

Ok Lommy, my dear, I hope you are innocent.

++Captain Lommy

++NG Nerwen

++Roa

[Thinlómien]

Ok Lommy, my dear, I hope you are innocent.I know you can't take my word for it, but I am.

edit: oops, sorry modgrod

[Nogrod]

Time's up!

Stop posting.

Lommy will be the Captain (and choose a BG for herself - PM me about it).

Nerwen will be the NG.

Roa will be lynched.

And Greenie will die too...


The narration with the action and the revelation of roles will be here shortly...

[Nogrod]

The Rangers started up in low spirits after their aroused hope had been cut off from them so suddenly and in such an evil way. To freeze to death in this weather was just a bit too concrete for them as they made their way in the blizzard. They went on silently, pushing through the snow.

But for the first time in a few days the weather actually started settling down a bit come afternoon. The blizzard changed slowly into a snowfall and the wind eased it’s grip making the cold a bit more bearable. And with the change of weather the minds of the Rangers changed as well – and they started talking once again.

Roa and Legate were now more or less openly against each other while the others mainly listened to them from aside trying to figure out what it was all about.

Finally Roa seemed to have enough of it all and went to the fore. “I’m not a fool. And I’m not going to start any wars here so I’ll go and scout forwards. If the most influential person here has decided I’m suspicious then be it. Live with that. But I’ll vote for him to be lynched.”

With that he went and soon disappeared into the snowfall.

The others went forward with their normal speed and mainly discussed Roa’s behaviour. They all thought it rash and hasty. What had happened to that valiant and reasonable man? Maybe he was a werewolf after all? Maybe he went ahead to prepare a trap for them? They should lynch him was the general agreement even if a few disagreed.


When the night started to crawl on them they finally saw a fire in the distance. Roa had set up a fire at the Dead Man’s Hollow as they had presumed.

“So you have come to lynch me then?” Roa yelled to them from a distance. “Well I’ve picked a suitable place for it.”

The Rangers dropped their packings and draw their swords.

“C’mon Roa, give yourself up and we’ll kill you quick and painlessly!” Fea shouted.

“Don’t try anything stupid Roa! There is no way you can overpower us all!” Legate called to him.

“And if you’re an innocent you don’t want to make things worse now do you?” Greenie suggested.

“Now that’s just it! I hate conspiracies played out in front of me in bright daylight!” For a moment Roa went silent and it looked like he was grinning to the irony of the term he had used.

The others drew closer their blades ready.

“You left us, isn’t that enough? Now what’s the trap you have in mind?” Loslote yelled.

“There is no trap…” Roa said quietly “… only justice!”

With that Roa sprang towards the Rangers.

Gwath was the first to pass Roa’s path. Roa clearly tried to avoid him but Gwath gave him a blow to the side with his sword. Roa stumbled but managed to keep his balance and avoid the next swing of the sword by Fea. He was bleeding but none slower for agility. He was the old soldier here.

The others tried to encircle him but he kept evading the hits and being closed in. Legate managed a hit to his side but it didn’t seem to affect him too much.

“If you’re innocent, this is ridiculous Roa!” Greenie yelled on top of the hassle and confusion – only to realise Roa suddenly stood in front of him.

“Okay, I’m ready now you traitor!” With that Roa threw his blade into Greenie’s throat. Greenie yelled and then wheezed when the blood burst out from his throat. Loslote’s and Gwath’s swords cut Roa at the same moment.

Both Greenie and Roa fell to the snow and the blood stained the white surface beneath them. Neither changed into anything. They had both been innocents…

~*~

The Living:

Fea
Nienna
Sally
Kath
Loslote
Nerwen
Lommy
Legate
Gwath


The Dead:

Nogrod (mod) - turned into a werewolf and butchered on N1.
Hakon (The Master Hunter) - stuck dead on D1.
Rune (Werewolf) - killed from the sword of the Master Hunter at the end of D1.
Macalaure (The Berserk Hunter) - eaten alive by the werewolves on N2.
Inzil (Ordinary Innocent) - decapitated by the Berserk Hunter on N2.
Boro (Ordinary Innocent) - left to Bree to inform others about the Company's tough fate on D2. (killed by the wolves travelling alone in the blizzard)
Valier (The Night-Traitor aka. The Cobbler) - killed by the Rangers while trying to flee on D2.
Brinn (Ordinary Innocent) – stunned, dragged through a tunnel, stripped naked and left to froze to death on N3.
Greenie (Soulmate) - killed by the sword of the Hates Conspiracies Hunter on D3.
Roa (Hates Conspiracies Hunter) - overpowered by the Rangers on D3.


It's Night 4 now.

You know what to do... those who have to do something...

A few notifications to come to certain people.

[Nogrod]

“Noo!“ Legate yelled from the bottom of his lungs rushing to Greenie’s body. “Wake up! Wake up mate!” he cried and tried frantically to shake the dead body into life. Finally he seemed to calm down enough to realise the futility of the effort and fell over Greenie’s body crying violently.

Lommy tried to console him patting him gently on the back. “Sorry friend… so sorry…we share your pain.”

The others were shocked as well as they realised that Greenie and Legate had been mates from longer time some of them had even lived.

Legate shivered with the touch but then calmed a little. His voice was still trembling as he spoke quietly: “I’m not sure I wish to live now that my soulmate is gone. But I will do my best…” He swallowed and concentrated. “I will try…”

“Stay as long as you wish Legate, but we’ll have to bury him early tomorrow morning and then we will move on… Be brave.” Lommy said and turned to others. “Okay, let’s put up a camp and try to get as much sleep we can. I will take guard with Gwath and Nerwen".

One by one the Rangers passed Legate and pat him in the back or stroked his hair giving their support for the veteran and his grief.


The Dead Man’s Hollow was actually a deep depression in the landscape covered from the sides by large mounds and from behind with a lonely great erratic boulder. It was about fifty meters long and some twenty meters wide. It was called the way it was because of the four long and deep cuts into the ground on it’s every corner so that looking at it from a distance it looked like a body with legs and arms lying in the ground.

It was a creepy place but if the weather would turn foul again it could cover them better than staying on the plains around them.

And it did turn for the worst as the Night wore on. First it started snowing again and the wind picked up speed slowly but steadily. The boulder protected them from the straight attack of the wind but even the wind coming round it and through the cuts in the ground was severe enough to make the three guards shiver from cold.

“Like a foul breath of Melkor…” Gwath disclaimed.

“Just think of the Brandywine Cabins… we should reach them tomorrow.” Nerwen said quietly. “It will be so different… Walls around you, a fireplace inside…”

“Let’s hope we do reach them… those of us who do.” Lommy said gravely.

Suddenly there was a long howl of a wolf carried by the wind to their ears. And then another one, and another one… It was quite for a second but then they started hearing the barks and the whines approaching with an astonishing speed.

There was no need to wake up anyone as the chilling howls had gotten everyone up and grasping for their weapons. “Back to back, quick!” Lommy called against the growing wind and the howls of the wolves. “More fire! Anyone?” The Rangers saw dark figures advancing towards them from all the four cuts around them.

The fight was on sooner than the Rangers had thought it would be. The wolves were fast indeed.
What was alarming though was that many of the Rangers felt that during the fight there were fewer of them fighting than were their actual numbers. Like a few had disappeared just like that – and there were more wolves they had anticipated with the first sighting… and a few of the wolves had felt a lot more powerful than most others.

But in the growing blizzard it was hard to recognize anyone. And as shapes went to and fro and one had to fight for his life all the time there was neither time to check who might be around or who might be missing.

Suddenly one of the stronger wolves managed to fell Fea from behind, and just as Legate was trying to help him another wolf bounced on him, forcing him away from the scene defending himself. The wolf stared staright into Fea’s eyes holding him down a moment, like it was trying to send him a last message. Then it forced it’s razorsharp teeth into Fea’s shoulder and jerked his body violently.

But Legate had gotten rid of the wolf giving it a major wound and went back to see how Fea was fearing. His heart almost stopped with the scene: Fea was under the attacker and it looked like it was trying to rip him into pieces. Legate charged towards them. The wolf had ripped considerable pieces from Fea’s body throwing them around in rage but faded into darkness when Legate reached the scene.

“You’re still alive Fea?” Legate panted, shaking the stunned man bleeding in the blizzard, or what was left of him.

Fea opened his eyes still clasping his sword half-consciously. “Legate? That’s you?” He managed to mutter with great difficulty.

“Yes I am… Fea, try to hold on! We’ll come up with something…” Legate lied seeing it was futile anyway.

“Legate, come closer… I need to tell you something” Fea managed to whisper loud enough for him to hear.

Just as he bent down to his mate he felt the cold blade penetrating his flesh.

“There you go you traitor!” Fea yelled with his last strength. ”I hate these dark deeds where you pretend being something and then you’re not! I know your kind!”

Legate tried to pull up but Fea had a knife in his other hand and stabbed him to the side with it just below the armpit.


The Wolves vanished as suddenly they had appeared and it was quiet again.

“Okay mates, any casualties?” Lommy yelled seeing the enemy gone and panting heavily from the fight.

“Nope! … Noo!” Loslote cried and went to the strange shape farther back. Others had noticed it too.

“Oh my good heavens!” Kath cried seeing Legate’s pierced body on top of Fea’s mauled one.

“Oh no! Not yet again!” Sally yelled.

“This near to Brandywine Cabins…” Nerwen lamented.

“Do we have to kill each others all the time! What is it with you guys!” Nienna protested loudly and fell to his knees.

“He’s right, we have enough enemies without killing each other…” Gwath confirmed laying his head down to honour the dead.

They all followed Gwath’s example and hung their heads in silence.

After a few minutes of silence Kath finally opened his mouth. “There are seven of us left… and three are werewolves. We need to get it right the next time…”

The silence continued for a while as the thought was hammered down into their minds. Everyone looked grim but three of them grinned maliciously wide inside. Just one more… they thought.

“Okay. Bury the dead, pick your packings. We’ll not stay a minute longer at this foul place.” Lommy shouted. “Next stop Brandywine Cabins. We’ll discuss this there beside a warm fire… Let’s go for it!”


~*~

The Living:

Nienna
Sally
Kath
Loslote
Nerwen
Lommy
Gwath


The Dead:

Nogrod (mod) - turned into a werewolf and butchered on N1.
Hakon (The Master Hunter) - stuck dead on D1.
Rune (Werewolf) - killed from the sword of the Master Hunter at the end of D1.
Macalaure (The Berserk Hunter) - eaten alive by the werewolves on N2.
Inzil (Ordinary Innocent) - decapitated by the Berserk Hunter on N2.
Boro (Ordinary Innocent) - left to Bree to inform others about the Company's tough fate on D2. (killed by the wolves travelling alone in the blizzard)
Valier (The Night-Traitor aka. The Cobbler) - killed by the Rangers while trying to flee on D2.
Brinn (Ordinary Innocent) – stunned, dragged through a tunnel, stripped naked and left to froze to death on N3.
Greenie (Soulmate) - killed by the sword of the Hates Conspiracies Hunter on D3.
Roa (Hates Conspiracies Hunter) - overpowered by the Rangers on D3.
Fea (Hates Dark Deeds Hunter) - died in the loss of blood after being torn by a werewolf during a wolf-attack on N4.
Legate (Soulmate) - stabbed by the Hates Dark Deeds Hunter on N4.



It's Day 4 now.

Speak like you were at the Brandywine Cabins already...

[Nienna]

Ok kids... we have to get a wolf today or we loose.

I trust Sally and Lottie. All the rest of you got some 'xplanin to do.

Kath
Nerwen
Lommy
Gwath

We also have to make sure we don't split the lynch vote or we can't win. This is what happened last game and it was tragic.

[Loslote]

The person I think is most likely to be a wolf is Nerwen. Her actions were suspicious, and the fact that she doesn't seem as suspicious as she could be makes me suspect her even more.

I don't suspect Nienna or Sally. Kath I'm not sure. Lommy and Gwath could easily be wolves.

[Thinlómien]

Oh. My. Goodness.

Such epic fail from everyone's part.

And if we fail the lynch toDay, we die. Three wolves against two ordos and two rangers.

I think the rangers should come forwards (of course not telling who's which), because that would narrow down our chance of hitting an innocent drastically (from 4/7 to 2/7, or something else even if there are false claims).

And this is so ironic, I stayed up until the DL just to be here to prove myself true to my words and call for a vote of no confidence in myself.

But I'm not doing that, whatever you say.

I'm an ordo, and that means I'm an ideal Captain. I won't be willing to surrender the post to anybody, because a Wolf as a Captain toDay would be a disaster. If a Ranger comes out and gives valid enough proof for their role, I can vote them for Captaincy (if - when? - it makes more sense to have them as Caps than as working agents during the Night).

I'm here now and will be until I get an RPG post finished, but then I'm going to sleep (and I'll be back).

PS. My current guess at the trio is Sally + Nienna + Kath, or possibly Loslote as one of them (Kath?).


edit: xed with Nienna and Loslote

[Thinlómien]

What is this Nienna + Sally + Loslote triangle of trust?

A triangle of wolfdom?

[Nogrod]

I think the rangers should come forwards (of course not telling who's which)Well, a good idea but sadly against the rules.

- No one should reveal or falsely reveal the role one has during the Days (during the Nights you can claim whatever you want if able to PM others you don't know the role of).

[Loslote]

I was the Night-Talker last Night, and I talked to Nienna. I think she's ordo.

[Nienna]

I call for a Vote of No Confidence in Lommy. This is exactly when we do not want anyone to have control over the lynch. I don't care if Lommy is an innocent or not. She should not get control over the lynch.

[Nienna]

What is this Nienna + Sally + Loslote triangle of trust?

A triangle of wolfdom?

Nice try darling.

[Loslote]

I don't think Lommy should be captain. I suspect her to be a wolf, and I don't like that she wants to keep the captain role now, of all times.

[Nogrod]

Another clarification of the rules...
This is exactly when we do not want anyone to have control over the lynch.Basically, as long as you have a Captain in the beginning of the Day, you're stuck with there being a Captain. And you can decide only on who it is.

If people don’t want to have a Captain at some point of the game when the earlier one has died they can also vote “no Captain”. If the “no Captain” votes are a majority there will be no Captain unless someone calls for a new referendum the next Day (or the next, or…).

[Loslote]

Right, but at least they would only control the vote in case of a tie. If Lommy stayed, she'd have much more power. So electing a new Captain would help limit the vote controlling aspect of the role.

[Thinlómien]

Well, a good idea but sadly against the rules.Ouch. I had forgotten that. My apologies.

I talked with Nerwen and Gwath - or well, Nerwen asked a bunch of questions to which I answered and Gwath didn't appear at all. So there's not much to say.

I still think Nerwen is innocent, and Gwath possibly too. That would leave me with only one more innocent, who could be anybody of the remaining four. However, I really feel Sally + Nienna + Loslote makes the most sense, because Sally and Nienna have been trusting each other all game long (quite cleverly because mutual Night talks) and Loslote has joined the alliance now on the Day when the wolves have to keep their lines even to win. Also, Loslote choosing Nienna to talk with (and calling her innocent based on that) fits quite nicely to the picture.

Of course, this is pure speculation. I have to do some research and consider options, but I'm leaving it all for tomorrow - it's 1.30 am and I'd better sleep.

PS. I think we should probably vote for no Captain today, actually.


edit: xed with Nog and Loch Ness

[Nienna]

What I'm worried about is not a choice in a tie but the other more important choice of controlling if someone gets lynched:

Can override a lynch by cancelling it alltogether (no one dies), deciding a draw or changing the lynchée to someone who has not more than one vote less than the one about to die

So I'm thinking Sally for Captain.

[Nogrod]

PS. I think we should probably vote for no Captain today, actually.Check #547...

[Loslote]

That's exactly what Nog just said we couldn't do. We can only vote No Captain if there is no current captain, right, Nog?

EDIT: Xed with Nienna and Nog.

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, your rules suck. :eek::p;)

I understand if you don't want me to remain in office in a situation like this, but I would prefer to stay myself, of course, because then I will know there's an innocent Captain and I can even save it if the wolves are to win (assuming I can get it right, which I would not be sure of).

If there is to be someone else as a Captain, I really have to ponder who would I trust enough.

But now, good night.


edit: xed with people... and people, you know I xed with the mod, I'm not totally stupid...

[Loslote]

I'd support Sally for Captain. I trust her, I don't think she's a wolf, and it won't matter anyway unless we lynch a wolf now. So I'd like to focus on the lynch and let the Captain take backseat.

[Nienna]

Yes that makes sense.

Kath are you around? What thinks you?

[Nogrod]

That's exactly what Nog just said we couldn't do. We can only vote No Captain if there is no current captain, right, Nog?Exactly. "No Captain" is not an option toDay as you have one already.

And to make the rest perfectly clear as well...

If Lommy is the Captain in the end of the Day it's her second Day and she can override the lynching for good or bad; to lynch someone who has one vote less than the one going to be lynched (or deciding on a draw) or cancel the lynch altogether (no one dies).

If you choose someone else, that Captain only has power to decide in a case of a tie.

But you need to have one or another.

[Nienna]

*salutes* Got it dear.

[Loslote]

So for the lynch, who do we suspect?

I'm leaning towards Nerwen, Lommy, and Gwath. Lommy wants to stay Captain at the worst possible time, plus she seems to suspect the four that I think are most likely to be ordos. Nerwen's being incredibly subtle, but her ideas keep repeating in everyone else's "original" thoughts. Gwath is the one I'm least sure about. He's given helpful remarks, but I'm more inclined to suspect him than Kath, who I'm pretty sure is ordo.

[Loslote]

I talked with Nerwen and Gwath - or well, Nerwen asked a bunch of questions to which I answered and Gwath didn't appear at all. So there's not much to say.

I still think Nerwen is innocent, and Gwath possibly too.

Why? You just said he didn't show up. Why this sudden trust?

[Nienna]

YesterDay's vote: Interestingly all the lynchees were innocents (or gifteds if we want to get technical) and all the people who were voted as captain are still alive.

Captaincy:
Roa -> Gwath
Fea -> Lommy
Nerwen -> Nienna
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Kath
Gwath -> Lommy
Greenie -> Nienna
Loslote -> Lommy
Legate -> Nienna (3)
Lommy -> Lommy
Nienna-> Lommy (6)

NG:
Roa -> Kath (INVALID VOTE)
Fea -> Greenie
Nerwen -> Gwath
Kath -> Fea
Sally -> Nienna
Gwath -> Loslote
Greenie -> Nerwen
Lommy -> Nerwen
Loslote -> Gwath (2)
Legate -> Nienna (2)
Nienna-> Nerwen (3)

Lynching:
Roa -> Legate
Fea -> Roa
Kath -> Greenie
Legate -> Roa
Greenie -> Roa
Loslote -> Roa
Lommy-> Fea
Gwath-> Roa
Nienna-> Roa(6)

Didn’t vote: Nerwen, Sally

[Loslote]

++lynch Fea

to give an alternative.

I can't pretend I have concrete evidence against her, but that doesn't mean I don't suspect her.

I think it would be a good idea to open up another option:

++Lynch Loslote.

What's with that? Both have the same 'reason' for voting for ordos.

[Nienna]

Yeah that's a really strange comment to make. It sounds like Lommy doesn't care who gets lynched she just wants to 'open up more options.' That is not a good reason to vote for someone.

[Loslote]

Okay, I'm probably not going to get on again until pretty close to deadline, so good luck, all!

[satansaloser2005]

What is this Nienna + Sally + Loslote triangle of trust?

A triangle of wolfdom?

Funny you should suggest that, as I'm very certain the group actually contains a wolf, an ordo, and a gifted. Guess which is which and you get a cookie.

I call for a Vote of No Confidence in Lommy. This is exactly when we do not want anyone to have control over the lynch. I don't care if Lommy is an innocent or not. She should not get control over the lynch.

Seconded. And to make it official, Lommie=Fired. ;)



I'd like to be captain, for what it's worth. (I'd like to not die toNight, basically, but I also think I have a pretty good grasp on things and would love to help the village, being innocent and all.) Nog, what do we get guard-wise, my lovely?

[Nienna]

OoOh Sally. You haven't heard. I talked to Lottie last night and she's not a wolf! We were night talkers together and I can vouch for her.

[satansaloser2005]

OoOh Sally. You haven't heard. I talked to Lottie last night and she's not a wolf! We were night talkers together and I can vouch for her.

I see. Exactly how sure are you, my dear? As sure as you are of my role, or do you just think she is?

*really loves this code crap* :p

[satansaloser2005]

Also


Innocent:
Sally
Nienna

Not Sure:
Kath
Lottie (per Nienna)

Guilty?:
Lommie
Gwath
Nerwen


Oooo look, there's three of them in the guilty section. How convenient!

[Nienna]

As sure as I am of you, my dear. :Merisu:

[Gwathagor]

I'm sorry wasn't around last Night, Lommy. I forgot all about my bodyguard responsibilities and ended up going to a party instead, which is fairly embarrassing.

Well, friends, its all on the line today. No time for "alternate lynching options" like yesterDay (whatever that was about). Either we get it right, or we don't. And lets be darn careful who we elect Captain, since we're stuck with having one.

ALso, we need to do an assumption purge toDay. A lot of players, myself included, have not been seriously examined for the entire game or have been just assumed innocent for no apparent reason. Every single player needs to be analyzed exhaustively. Every single word.

[satansaloser2005]

As sure as I am of you, my dear. :Merisu:

I....I see? How can you be as sure as you are of me? For you see, you may think she is innocent, but I do not think that word means what you think it means.

EDIT: x'd with GwathaGory-Nog-killer

[Gwathagor]

Funny you should suggest that, as I'm very certain the group actually contains a wolf, an ordo, and a gifted. Guess which is which and you get a cookie.

Isn't always that way? It's never the nice neat package we'd like, it's always a mixed bag. That is to say, I agree.

[Nienna]

I....I see? How can you be as sure as you are of me? For you see, you may think she is innocent, but I do not think that word means what you think it means.

She has the same r0l3 as *you*.

[satansaloser2005]

She has the same r0l3 as *you*.

I see. Good to know then.


My wolf pack is set to thus, mostly by process of elimination.

Lommie/Kath
Gwath
Nerwen


I'm going to have a look at them quick and see what there is to see.

[Gwathagor]

OoOh Sally. You haven't heard. I talked to Lottie last night and she's not a wolf! We were night talkers together and I can vouch for her.

I would be hesitant to trust anything said in that kind of confidence, since I'm guessing it's going to be way easier for a wolf to fool someone in a closed, controlled environment where the wolf gets to determine every word you read and you don't have the running commentary of the rest of the village to (theoretically) keep you sane. I'm not saying you're wrong, Nienna, I'm just saying that we have to evaluate everyone based on what they say during the Day, when we are all listening. That's the only safe way, because that's when we're more likely to see a player's true colors - when the combined spotlights of the attention of the whole village can be turned upon them.

SOrry for rattling on.

[Nienna]

No Gwath that is fine. You don't have to trust us, but I do. I understand the risks in being convinced as I have been by Lottie but am willing to take that risk. You may commence analyzing everyone as I have tons and tons of homework to do. I suggest starting with Lommy as she is clearly a wolf.

[Gwathagor]

Yeah that's a really strange comment to make. It sounds like Lommy doesn't care who gets lynched she just wants to 'open up more options.' That is not a good reason to vote for someone.

As a wolf, when you know that an innocent is getting lynched, you tend to just step back and try to avoid getting your hands dirty.

[Gwathagor]

No Gwath that is fine. You don't have to trust us, but I do. I understand the risks in being convinced as I have been by Lottie but am willing to take that risk. You may commence analyzing everyone as I have tons and tons of homework to do. I suggest starting with Lommy as she is clearly a wolf.

It's also true that there comes a certain point when you have no choice but to gamble and trust one or two people. That point may have come for you, but not for me.

[Nienna]

Every single player needs to be analyzed exhaustively. Every single word.

I think I know what you mean.

[satansaloser2005]

Every single player needs to be analyzed exhaustively. Every single word.

I see what you did there.

[satansaloser2005]

Tomorrow's deadline day at the paper, so I don't think I'll be around all that much. I'm pretty sure of Lommie's guilt, based on a brief readthrough and such, but I am going to wait to vote just because if the village decides to go for someone else I don't want to help the wolves do a vote split. But we do need to pick a new captain. My choices are as follows:

Me
Nienna
Kath
Gwath/Lottie
Nerwen
Anyone else but Lommie ;)


Going to do a few things for work now so I don't have to scramble tomorrow. Back soon! :D

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

...And sorry for not being around. My internet access is patchy at the moment.

I will tell say now that I don't have much more of an idea about Lommy now than yesterDay, mainly because we weren't able to be online at the same time.

EDIT:And Gwath didn't show at all.

[Nerwen]

I don't want to be captain, by the way. I just can't guarantee being online at the right times.

Anyway, it doesn't matter unless we get a wolf toDay.

[Nerwen]

And the internet keeps cutting out me, so I'd better vote now.

[Nerwen]

So I have to go, and probably won't be able to get online again toDay.

++Kath for Captain
*shrug* she seems okay...

++Guard Nienna
I'm no longer as sure about her, but I still trust her more than Lommy

++Lynch Lommy
Because she seemed vaguely shifty last Night and has done some questionable things. Like I said, though, I couldn't get much of a read on her at all.

That's the best I can do.

Good luck.

[Gwathagor]

Tomorrow's deadline day at the paper, so I don't think I'll be around all that much. I'm pretty sure of Lommie's guilt, based on a brief readthrough and such, but I am going to wait to vote just because if the village decides to go for someone else I don't want to help the wolves do a vote split. But we do need to pick a new captain. My choices are as follows:

Me
Nienna
Kath
Gwath/Lottie
Nerwen
Anyone else but Lommie ;)


Going to do a few things for work now so I don't have to scramble tomorrow. Back soon! :D


I like how Lottie and I only got one line. Apparently we're the same person.

I'll hopefully be back in about 12 hours and then maybe I can get some analysis done. Right now it's time to sleep.

[satansaloser2005]

Ranger:
No more talk of Night kills,
Ignore these baddies, dear.
I'm here to tell you I rhyme
And we won't lose another time

Let me be your savior,
Let my knife save your ears
I'm here with a large shotgun
To make the wolfies all gone

Innocents:
Say you'll save me when I'm being voted,
Turn my head with talk of lupine lynch
Say you'll work to save our helpless ordos
Promise me that you're not friends with Rune
That's all I ask of you

Ranger:
Let me be your captain,
My votes will be your guide
You're safe with me to guard you
The wolves will run to high school (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbIerQkXm_k)

Innocents:
All I want is victory
A world with no more wolves
And you still to play me
To make them not fillet me

Ranger:
Then say you'll vote with me to end the baddies
Let me lead you all into a win
Say you need me to decide who survives
Anything you do, let me help too
Village, that's all I ask of you

Innocents:
Say you'll share with me one lynch, one bandwagon
Find a wolf and we will slaughter them

Ranger and Innocents:
Share each hunch with me
Each hint
Each niggling

Ranger:
Say you trust me

Innocents:
You know I do

Wolves:
Don't lynch us
That's all we ask of you


As the Innocents and the Ranger walk away arm in arm(s) the audience's attention is suddenly drawn to Steve, who is sitting alone in the cold. He is clutching his laptop, which has the Admin Thread pulled up, and is clearly upset, composing a PM to Nogrod in another (Internet Explorer, Firefox, web browser of your choice) tab.


Steve:
I gave you my Night Guards
Made your game take wing
And now how you've repaid me
I'm not even playing!
He was bound to like it when he saw my game

Noggins...
Noggins...


The light fades on Steve and we again see the Ranger and the Innocent Chorus, staring hopefully at a vote count tacked to a large post.


Ranger and Innocents:
Say you'll share with me a lynch, a victory
Say the word and I will vote with you
Share decisions and the wolves we'll conquer


The scene fades to black, but suddenly a deep voice rumbles through the thread


Sudden!Unexpected!Phantom:
You will curse the day you did not do all that the Phantom asked of you!

[Thinlómien]

Ai ai ai if you silly people lynch me, we lose... Nerwen's vote looks rather oppoturnistic, and that's why I don't like it. If the wolves are Nerwen, Kath and Gwath I'm really going to bang my head against the wall. And if they're Sally, Nienna and Loslote, I'd like to do that too because they are so clearly allied it hurts. But I really hope I was wrong about Nerwen, because unless we keep me in office (which does not seem to be an option) we're doomed with one single innocent voting another and that's it. (So yeah, if we lose now and Nerwen is innocent, I blame her. :p) On the other hand, Nerwen has disastrously misjudged me as an innocent before so... but that vote was most wolvish to me.

I will hang around for a while now and come back then several hours later, and then I should have time to go through everybody's posts. As for now, I'm only confused because my initial suspicion was Nienna + Sally + Lottie and you can't deny they are allied, but Nerwen's vote looks so bad that she might really be a wolf, which means all of the three I mentioned before wouldn't be wolves. Gah. I just have a bad feeling we're going to lose this game. (If it turns out we should've killed Kath on Day1 I will be annoyed but pleased with myself.)

Btw, if there should be a tie in Captain votes, who is to decide the new Captain? Me or a coin or some rule?

[Thinlómien]

I would be hesitant to trust anything said in that kind of confidence, since I'm guessing it's going to be way easier for a wolf to fool someone in a closed, controlled environment where the wolf gets to determine every word you read and you don't have the running commentary of the rest of the village to (theoretically) keep you sane. I'm not saying you're wrong, Nienna, I'm just saying that we have to evaluate everyone based on what they say during the Day, when we are all listening. That's the only safe way, because that's when we're more likely to see a player's true colors - when the combined spotlights of the attention of the whole village can be turned upon them.And also, I have to add, wolves could easily decide to have these chats with each other and then tell the village "oh I had a special talk with x and she looks really innocent", thus exonerating their mates.

What's with that? Both have the same 'reason' for voting for ordos.And how many had the same flimsy reasons to vote innocent Roa yesterDay? Can't really accuse us for voting innocents when you did it too. At least we didn't cause the death of two innocents. :p Seriously though, I was suspicious of Fea and very unsure about Roa, so I thought I'd like to see what would happen if Fea-lynch was offered as an alternative. Besides, I did not want to take part in killing Roa whom I didn't think as guilty as everyone else did and I hate it when all the village votes the same person because it is virtually impossible to deduce anything from that.

Who do you think would've killed Fea? I'm sorry, but I'd point my finger at Nienna, who would possibly want to get rid of her friend before the last Days so that no one can realise what she's really up to.

But anyway, people, let's not make the same mistakes toDay as we did with Roa. Basically that means:
1) Let's check our lynch candidates' ties with Rune earlier than 15 minutes before the DL when most of people have already voted.
2) Let's not lynch somebody more or less everybody is willing to lynch because they are most probably innocent. :rolleyes:

[Nienna]

Ai ai ai if you silly people lynch me, we lose...

Who's 'we' darling? The wolves?

Nerwen's vote looks rather oppoturnistic, and that's why I don't like it.

I think it looks an awfully lot like throwing a packmate under the bus.

Btw, if there should be a tie in Captain votes, who is to decide the new Captain? Me or a coin or some rule?

Lets not have a tie. Sally is a clear choice for captain.

The wolves are: Lommy, Nerwen, and either Kath or Gwath. I need to hear more from both of them to decide.

We will also need a NG.

[satansaloser2005]

Well here's my ideal situation. Sally for Captain and Nienna for NG. Either way's fine, really, but she's the person I trust the most so I want to keep her alive.


Gonna be a busy day today, I'm afraid, but I will be around the last hour or so of the Day.

[Thinlómien]

I really really don't like the game Sally and Nienna are playing now. Sort of reckless, self-confident and arrogant, just like wolves on the eve of their victory. If they're innocent, I'm slightly offended - I don't like the way I've been straightforwardly labelled wolf and my points ignored after that. I'm not a wolf. Really not. If you don't believe me now, don't, but I hope you realise how stupid you've been after the game - unless you, Sally, Nienna and Nerwen, are the wolves, in which case, it is understandable but still annoying.

Yes, I'm annoyed. You can ask why. Probably because no one trusts me and keep ignoring stuff I say, and because you are going to kill us all by killing me out of sheer arrogance without even bothering to make a single actual point against me. My trouble with people in this village is that when it's the last Day and we should really consider carefully, half of the people are eager to jump to conclusions without doing any research or bothering to make any cases.

Gwath is the only one who seems not to be decided already, and that's why he looks the most innocent to me. Also, I don't think a wolf would say this:
I would be hesitant to trust anything said in that kind of confidence, since I'm guessing it's going to be way easier for a wolf to fool someone in a closed, controlled environment where the wolf gets to determine every word you read and you don't have the running commentary of the rest of the village to (theoretically) keep you sane. I'm not saying you're wrong, Nienna, I'm just saying that we have to evaluate everyone based on what they say during the Day, when we are all listening. That's the only safe way, because that's when we're more likely to see a player's true colors - when the combined spotlights of the attention of the whole village can be turned upon them.

As for others, no idea. I used to trust Nerwen but not anymore. Is Loslote guilty or misguided? Is Nienna blinded by her grand "visions" or a wolf pressing for an easy victory? Is Sally really an innocent who feels comfortable about getting a wolf or a wolf taking it easy at the face of almost certain victory? And did Nerwen make an innocent misjudgement on me again or is she just jumping on the obvious wagon-to-be? And where is Kath and what is she?

This game gives me headache. And no, I'm not begging for sympathy or pity, I'm just being grumpy. I have been innocent and seen the village lose in the last half a dozen games and this game is going to be one more failure in the row. It is sort of depressing (as is probably getting lynched as an ordo on the last Day with whatsoever no "evidence" against me, but that's a side issue, that is bound to happen to someone when almost half of the village are wolves).

Who's 'we' darling? The wolves?Certainly. :rolleyes: And sure, aren't it the wolves who are going to lose this game if they lose one of them toDay?

I think it looks an awfully lot like throwing a packmate under the bus.The smartest thing to do when you're under severe suspicion and the pack is one innocent lynch short of victory. Grasping at straws, are you, Nienna dear?

Sally is a clear choice for captain. Why?

Now, I'm off to do what everyone should do once they have time. That is, research. (But why would wolves do that anymore since they already know who they want to die and who not... :rolleyes: )

[Nogrod]

Btw, if there should be a tie in Captain votes, who is to decide the new Captain? Me or a coin or some rule?
The answer is: So, if the Captaincy-vote ends up in draw not including the current Captain as part of the draw (he would continue as the C. if he were one involved in the draw as said earlier)...

Then it will be up to the old Captain to choose. That's a lot better than if I'd toss a coin for it, or make a boring "who got them first / last" -thing.

Secondly:
Nog, what do we get guard-wise, my lovely?Well the rules say that when you are 6 or less there will be no guards anymore... but you are still 7 now, so I'd interpret it in the way that you should pick the guards still toDay - and if there is a toMorrow, then not anymore (you'd be 5-6 by then and the case would be clear).

I mean one could argue that as there will be only 6 left during the Night there shouldn't be any guards picked toDay anymore. But I do think there will be more nice options available to both sides if there are guards yet this Night. And first and foremost, as said, you're still 7.

If anyone has strong arguments against this ruling please PM me about it and I will promise to consider it (let's not discuss it here in the thread).

Meanwhile you should consider whom to appoint as an NG and vote for one.

And anyway. If you lynch an innocent toDay the question will be purely speculative...

[Thinlómien]

And anyway. If you lynch an innocent toDay the question will be purely speculative...When we lynch an innocent toDay, you mean... :rolleyes:

Anyway thanks for the clarifications. :)

[Thinlómien]

I'm reading through everybody's posts and those of Rune's. I'm posting stuff that has caught my attention. Conclusions will come last.

Day1
- Sally and Loslote didn't want to be Captains
- Sally said Rune or Loslote wouldn't get her Captain vote
- Sally said: "Also, I think it's weird when people leave codes just because they can. If you've got something to say, fine, but if you're just trying to be tricksy save it." and toDay she's been among the code-whatever mess-makers
- Sally hoped Kath would post
- Rune explained Kath's absence to Sally
- Nerwen picked on Legate about picking on Nienna
- Kath and Rune joked together
- Nerwen guard-voted Kath
- Rune jokes he doesn't like Nerwen anymore
- Loslote voted Rune for Cap
- Nienna was bothered by Rune's votes
- Nienna asked if Rune was around aftercounting the votes
- Loslote thought Rune slightly suspicious but not wolvish
- Nienna seemed to be pondering whether it makes sense to vote Rune for Captain or not
- Sally gave Rune the second lynch vote
- Nienna gave the third lynch vote to Rune
- Loslote was suspicious of Nienna and voted her
- Kath defended Lottie

Related stuff
* I have to rethink of Sally and Nienna in the light of their Rune-votes (it is unlikely they're both wolves at least!)
* various banter and comments are probably unrelated to stuff

Unrelated stuff
* I see I'm still the only one who has bothered/ had time/ been interested to speculate anything about Fea's death
* I really hope to hear more from Kath and Gwath
* I'm expecting to see retractables toDay and I'm not sure if it's a comforting or a terrifying thought

[Thinlómien]

Day2
- Loslote started wavering and had nothing to say on anyone else now living but her and me
- Sally gloats about being right about Rune
- Nerwen was all for finding wolves in Rune supporters
- Sally and Nienna would have been wary of killing a possible hunter Mac, Kath wouldn't and Gwath (in his neutral books, as was I) or Loslote or Nerwen (the two of them not mentioned) possibly wouldn't either - all this if Nerwen's summary is to be trusted, what I think it is (a wolf would know twisting the truth is dangerous)
- Nienna analysed Nerwen and decided she's innocent
- I don't know if a wolf Nienna would've insisted keeping an innocent Legate in office even if he trusted her
- Nienna thought Nerwen innocent, was unsure about Kath, Gwath and Sally and suspected Lottie (and forgot me from the list)
- Sally voted Kath for NG
- Nerwen was thinking of lynching Loslote or Valier
- Nienna voted Nerwen for NG and picked Valier over Los for lynch
- Sally trusted Nienna and voted her for Cap
- Nerwen voted Sally for guard and Nienna for captain
- Nerwen thought Gwath is to be modfired
- Nerwen voted Loslote
- Sally considered voting Lottie and mixed up Greenie and Gwath
- Nerwen said we should start thinking of lynching Gwath if there's no modfire
- Sally voted Lottie
- Sally asked for Nienna to talk with her overNight
- Nerwen jumped on Legate's point against Gwath

Related stuff
* I think I may have to do a 180 degree turn and consider Sally and Nienna at least innocent - I had forgotten the Rune-voting and Mac's suspicions
* let's lynch Nerwen
* to be honest, I'm confused and have no idea bout stuff (yet)

Unrelated stuff
* I wish I wasn't the only one around
* I wish someone made a case against me or asked me questions if they suspect me

[Nienna]

Lommy I am truly sorry if you are at all offended. Even if you are a wolf I don't want anyone to be offended. It is not fun :(.

I've been on the fence about you the entire game. If asked, yesterday, who the wolves were I probably would have said Roa, Fea, and Nerwen/Gwath. I obviously was very wrong. I am not infallible but I do put my trust into Sally and Lottie. If you are an innocent I beg you to do the same. To me it is clear that there are three wolves in a list of four people.

We have all made mistakes. There wasn't even a person put up for lynch yesterDay that was a wolf.

My points against you today:
1. You tried to keep yourself as captain. You said yesterday that you did not want anyone to have that much power but as soon as it was an option for yourself you wanted to keep it. Today is the one day where it can be fatal to have one person be able to make that decision. You even said yourself that you aren't sure if you could make the correct decision while being captain.
2. You continually suspected the people that I'm sure aren't wolves. It is really important right now to have the innocents band together so that is what we are doing. I'm sorry if it feels arrogant or if it makes people feel left out but it is what we need to do to survive. If we were wolves we would not openly all band together like this as it would make people who know they are innocent know that we are all wolves.
3. You've completely ignored Sally's Parody

Some responses:

wolves could easily decide to have these chats with each other and then tell the village "oh I had a special talk with x and she looks really innocent", thus exonerating their mates.

I do understand this but what I did was explain to Sally who I know trusts me that I also trust Lottie and she should as well. I can not ask the other innocent to trust our knowledge but I wanted to make sure the people I all trust are on the same page. If Sally, Lottie, and I were all wolves I would not have had to tell Sally anything.

Who do you think would've killed Fea? I'm sorry, but I'd point my finger at Nienna, who would possibly want to get rid of her friend before the last Days so that no one can realise what she's really up to.

Not cool. We've discussed suspicion based on Meta-game before and it really should be used cautiously. If I was a wolf I probably would have left Fea alive because she was clearly (in my mind at least) the top lynch suspect for toDay. It would have been an easy wolf win.

1) Let's check our lynch candidates' ties with Rune earlier than 15 minutes before the DL when most of people have already voted.

I'm not sure why you are stopping at 15 mins before DL...

The smartest thing to do when you're under severe suspicion and the pack is one innocent lynch short of victory. Grasping at straws, are you, Nienna dear?

The pack would be smart to not make themselves obvious by all voting for an innocent. If 3 innocents voted one person and 3 wolves voted another then the innocent who is left would have to choose and if they choose with the innocents then all the wolves are known and it is just a matter of time before the village wins. If the wolves all vote for a packmate then the next Day the village is still confused.

* I really hope to hear more from Kath and Gwath
* I'm expecting to see retractables toDay and I'm not sure if it's a comforting or a terrifying thought

I agree that I need more from Kath and Gwath and I think retractables are dangerous now and I'll probably use mine and then lock in my vote.

I'm sadly not going to be around at DL as I have to be in class but I hope to be able to form a clearer picture of what is going on before that.

Edit: x-ed

[Thinlómien]

Day3
- Nienna was rather aggressive towards Roa
- Lottie: suspicions of Nienna vanished (past behaviour probably a fluke), Kath and Sally innocent, unsure about Nerwen (who slips under the radar) and Gwath (and me, for the record)
- Nienna asked Lottie to give reasons for her list
- Brinn the Night Kill suspected Nerwen
- Sally gained Nienna's trust overNight and Kath almost did as well
- Nerwen asked Gwath who
- Sally considered Nienna and Nerwen innocent, the rest suspicious, and all of this with no stated reasons
- Nerwen voted Nienna for Cap and Gwath for NG
- Kath was rather non-committal
- Nienna: Sally: What think you about Kath?
- Sally votes Kath for Cap and Nienna for guard
- Gwath voted Loslote for NG (and me for Cap)
- Nienna questioned Gwath of his trust in me and he replied
- Lottie voted Gwath for NG (and me for cap)
- Nienna voted Nerwen for NG (and me for cap)

Related stuff
* people Nienna talk with overNight tend to end up innocents in her books
* the wolves weren't necessarily afraid of the hunters anymore after the death of the two first ones
* it might've made sense for the wolves to vote their fellows as NGs and Caps in order to avoid the tricky questions of how come some people are still alive
* remaining wolves = Nerwen, Kath + Loslote?

Unrelated stuff
* I should be studying Art History


edit: xed with Nienna

[Thinlómien]

Thanks for making that post, Nienna. It made me feel better about you.

Lommy I am truly sorry if you are at all offended. Even if you are a wolf I don't want anyone to be offended. It is not fun.Nah, never mind, I'm just old and grumpy, not offended. ;)

I obviously was very wrong. I am not infallible but I do put my trust into Sally and Lottie. If you are an innocent I beg you to do the same. To me it is clear that there are three wolves in a list of four people. I can see you trust them, but I can see nothing but very vague reasons for that, which kind of alarms me. And I cannot trust them merely because you ask me to (especially as I'm far from sure of your innocence).

1. You tried to keep yourself as captain. You said yesterday that you did not want anyone to have that much power but as soon as it was an option for yourself you wanted to keep it. Today is the one day where it can be fatal to have one person be able to make that decision. You even said yourself that you aren't sure if you could make the correct decision while being captain. I know. Power corrupts. :p No, but seriously, toDay is also the one Day when it's fatal to have a wolf in the post. That's why I would prefer being the Captain (but let's not argue about that as I seem to be the only one who wants that, understandably). But - do you think that as a wolf I would've dared to eat my word and abandon the ideals I had been promoting all game especially as there was whatsoever no support for my continued captaincy in sight?

I'm sorry if it feels arrogant or if it makes people feel left out but it is what we need to do to survive. If we were wolves we would not openly all band together like this as it would make people who know they are innocent know that we are all wolves. It would only be easier for the remaining innocent(s) if you bothered to tell why you trust each other. And I think it would be sort of ingenious of wolves to band together like that precisely because no one would think they'd be so obvious.

3. You've completely ignored Sally's ParodyAnd she ignored the rules because she wrote it as if there was only one ranger. :p

If Sally, Lottie, and I were all wolves I would not have had to tell Sally anything.A fair point. But you could still be doing it for a show.

Not cool. We've discussed suspicion based on Meta-game before and it really should be used cautiously.I don't think that's meta-game, but if you think so, we can leave it to that.

If I was a wolf I probably would have left Fea alive because she was clearly (in my mind at least) the top lynch suspect for toDay. It would have been an easy wolf win. And so would probably every sensible person, or at least they can claim so easily. The question is why this happened after all.

I'm not sure why you are stopping at 15 mins before DL... If you mean why did I pick that number it's because I did that then yesterDay because I needed to know.

The pack would be smart to not make themselves obvious by all voting for an innocent. If 3 innocents voted one person and 3 wolves voted another then the innocent who is left would have to choose and if they choose with the innocents then all the wolves are known and it is just a matter of time before the village wins. If the wolves all vote for a packmate then the next Day the village is still confused. It may be obvious to vote the same innocent, but not "an innocent" in general. If they're voting their mates, it is a huge risk.

Off to finish my analysis...

[Thinlómien]

Day4 (toDay)
- is not worth of doing like this but:

Related stuff
* Either some people are good at bluffing, or then my misreading of the rules has contributed to my suspicion of them *head explodes*

Unrelated stuff
*Why? You [me] just said he [Gwath] didn't show up. Why this sudden trust?It had nothing to do with him not showing up, it was only about his general approach to stuff. But obviously, currently I'm to confused to say this or that.

[Nienna]

Why I trust Sally and Lottie:

I've been able to communicate with both of them at Night. At Night we are allowed to talk about ... things... which we are not allowed to openly discuss on the thread. I talked with Sally and Kath about these... things... one night. Then I was able to talk to Lottie about the same things last Night. Sally I can say without a shadow of a doubt is not a wolf. Lottie is also not a wolf but I'm only 99.9% sure... if she is a wolf, though, she is a fabulous one and deserves the win.

Does this help clarify?

[Thinlómien]

Alright, a general point:

If Sally and Lottie are the two rangers and both have confessed their roles to Nienna, then I do believe they're innocent, and our wolves are Kath, Gwath and Nerwen.

If the role Sally and Lottie "have in common" according to Nienna is ordo, and Nienna is the gifted Sally hints at being in the lot, then they're just having a show around and at least some of them are guilty.

And if I understand the rules correctly, Nienna isn't forbidden to tell me now on the thread what Sally and Loslote claim to be. Or is she? She should have a complete freedom to claim what others have said in PMs as long as she's not quoting.


edit: xed with Nienna

[Thinlómien]

Nienna, I'm thinking. (Mostly about Kath's part in this.)

[Thinlómien]

It doesn't completely add up in my head. We should have a dead ranger by now if we are talking about the same thing. Or then someone is working really hard to stay in some other people's good books.

[Thinlómien]

Well at least I'm currently thinking Nerwen would be the safest lynch because more or less in every scenario I can come up with she's a wolf.

[Nienna]

Well at least I'm currently thinking Nerwen would be the safest lynch because more or less in every scenario I can come up with she's a wolf.

I'm starting to think I agree with you on this one.

[Nienna]

We should have a dead ranger by now if we are talking about the same thing.

How do you figure?

[Thinlómien]

Now ignoring all that has been said lately for a moment and making a conclusion just based on my research:

Gwath - has been quiet, my gut-feeling of him is good but there's no evidence one way or another
Kath - has been quiet and non-committal, little evidence for guilt or innocnce and very little connections with others
Loslote - has done fishy stuff
Nerwen - a tad unlikely fellows with Gwath
Nienna - would be a really bold wolf (joining a bandwagon against a fellow and killing a person who suspects her on Night2)
Sally - would be a really bold wolf (joining a bandwagon against a fellow and killing a person who suspects her on Night2


edit: xed with Nienna x2

[satansaloser2005]

When we lynch an innocent toDay, you mean... :rolleyes:

Anyway thanks for the clarifications. :)

A bit overconfident aren't you? :p

[Thinlómien]

How do you figure?You, Sally, Loslote and Kath have seemingly been discussing rangers. You can't all be innocent because there are only three innocents besides me. If a wolf knows the identity of a ranger, it would be probable the ranger is dead. Unless the wolf was trying to look innocent, or the wolf wasn't involved in the ranger discussion, or there was no ranger discussion at all.

Anyway, my current list looks like this -
innocent: Lommy, Nienna and Sally
two wolves and one innocent: Loslote, Gwath and Kath
wolf: Nerwen

PS. Nienna and Sally, if you are wolves, you actually deserve to win.


edit: xed with Sally - well I was quite certain you'd lynch me because 4/6 fellow villagers had expressed suspicion in me, but now it looks a bit better (possibly also because I'm less confused now)

[Nienna]

Sally: What are you thinking?

Lommy: Kath, Sally, and Lottie all know at least one Ranger

[Thinlómien]

Lommy: Kath, Sally, and Lottie all know at least one RangerSo either there is a wolf among you four that is sort of bluffing the others, or then you people are not being honest with me (which means there is a wolvish ploy involved).

[Nienna]

Kath would only be one that is a possible wolf.

[Loslote]

I'm on for very little time.

Nerwen is one of my top suspicions. Lommy, I haven't stopped suspecting you, but you could be ordo. Gwath could also be a wolf. Kath I don't think is a wolf, but I could very easily be wrong.

I agree that we should lynch Nerwen toDay. I think we can probably hope to get a wolf in her.

[Thinlómien]

Kath would only be one that is a possible wolf.Then she is one.

... I know you can't take my word for it, but at least you've clarified it for me.

Or then you're fooling me.

But the options look clearer now.


edit: xed with Loslote - you do understand you have to make the total of three wolves, right?

[Gwathagor]

Ok, I'm back now.

[Nienna]

Opinions Gwath?

[Thinlómien]

*is looking forward to seeing Gwath posting*

edit: xed with Nienna, again and notifying - I'll be gone for a while now but I'll be back soon so won't reply anything instantly

[Loslote]

The way I see things:

Innocent
Nienna
Sally
Lottie
Possible Wolves
Gwath?
Lommy?
Kath?
Wolf
Nerwen

Nerwen is the one I'd be willing to vote for toDay. Gwath, Lommy, and Kath I don't know for a fact at all, and I'm not going to risk toDay's lynch on a hunch.

edit: xed with Nienna and Lommy

[Nienna]

All right. I've got to run. I'll be back in an hour to catch up but then I'm going to need to vote. I anxiously await many many posts from Gwath and Kath.

[Gwathagor]

Opinions Gwath?

On what?

[Loslote]

I'll not be on again before deadline. So here are my votes:

++ Captain Sally

++ Night Guard Nienna

++ lynch Nerwen

Good luck, all! Don't kill an ordo!

[Nienna]

On what?

For real? We are essentially calling you a wolf. Ok really leaving now.

[Gwathagor]

I'll tell you right now I'm concerned about the complicity being apparently enjoyed by Sally, Nienna, Loslote, and maybe Lommy, too. The extent to which they all seem to be "in" with each other really makes me uneasy, because it looks so...conspiratorial. I know I'm paranoid (I'm a sucker for Templar conspiracy theories) but I don't like things going on behind the scenes and I don't like it when too many people seem to be of one mind. In my opinion, a healthy village is one with checks and balances where the players disagree, because that's how bad ideas get eliminated. Maybe said players have simply moved beyond that to a point of consensus - but nonetheless, I'm not interested in taking anybody's word for anything; I want to be able to judge a player based on what I've seen and heard.

[Crossed with Loslote and Nienna - oh WOW]

[Gwathagor]

For real? We are essentially calling you a wolf. Ok really leaving now.

Sorry, I missed that part.

[Thinlómien]

On anything, Gwathagor. :)

edit: xed with the man himself

[Gwathagor]

I don't know.

Sally is looking like either very innocent or very evil, as in, diabolical ringleader sort of evil. Not a good time for me to be torn, hmph.

[Gwathagor]

Because it seems like she's certainly got all her ducks in a row (heheh), meaning Loslote and Nienna.

[Nogrod]

And if I understand the rules correctly, Nienna isn't forbidden to tell me now on the thread what Sally and Loslote claim to be. Or is she? She should have a complete freedom to claim what others have said in PMs as long as she's not quoting.

There is a simple answer to that question...
- No one is allowed to quote anything from possible Nightly PM's. Everyone is allowed to claim whatever they have discussed though. But no quotes!

I think that is one of the oldest WW-rules: no quotes in any case, of any stuff, from outside the game-thread...

It was just that with all this PM'ing going on I thought I needed to remind people of it stating it in the rules.

[Thinlómien]

Gwath, I think Nienna is more of a ringleader.

Anyway, it seems to me that the best course of action for toDay is lynch-vote Nerwen, guard-vote Nienna and captain-vote Sally. I want Nienna and Sally to be protected because they are the most innocent to me, but also the most widely considered innocent and thus the safest wolf targets.

And as for Nerwen, I've said it before, but in more or less any scenario I can think of, she is a wolf. Congrats for fooling me quite well this far, but you can thank Greenie whose judgement on you I trusted, for unknown reasons.

Now the question remains, should I vote that and go to sleep now, or stay here (possibly entertained by msn and art history meanwhile).

[Thinlómien]

I'm too tired to think of ww or study.

For good or bad, let it be for toDay:

++lynch Nerwen

++captain Sally

++guard Nienna

I do hope we make a right decision toDay, and if not, well, we suffer the consequences and that's it.

Good night!

[Nienna]

I'm back if anyone has any last minute questions/comments before I vote.

[Gwathagor]

Anyway, it seems to me that the best course of action for toDay is lynch-vote Nerwen, guard-vote Nienna and captain-vote Sally. I want Nienna and Sally to be protected because they are the most innocent to me, but also the most widely considered innocent and thus the safest wolf targets.


Interestingly, I'm uncomfortable with all those options. I can't vote to lynch Nerwen in good conscience because as far as I can tell, she's been fairly helpful, at least early on in the game, and because I have yet to see any actual evidence against her. She could be a wolf, but we'd basically be lynching her on the word of Sally and Nienna - and I should also point out that we're also taking their word that they are innocent. I disagree that they are "the most widely considered innocent" - they've only been proclaimed innocent by the Sally-Nienna-Loslote club. If one just looks at what has actually been said on the thread, all unsubstantiated claims of innocence aside, all that conspiratorial "code-crap" from the beginning of the Day makes either Nienna or Sally look really suspicious to me. It scares me.

[Kath]

Hi, hi, hi - sorry for missing so much of the Day (again!). I've spent the whole Day in London with Rune!

I've read through. Now, I'm absolutely happy to believe in Nienna's innocence. I'm not so happy to believe in sally or Lottie's. Lottie's the least simply because I haven't actually had a chance to talk to her at all and because over the Days she is the one out of the two that I have actually found things to worry about.

Nienna, it's clear that you think the two are innocent, and that you can't give explicit reasons why, but it isn't inconceivable that you have the wrong opinion on one of them. Being innocent (in my view) doesn't make your opinions more likely to be right.

[Gwathagor]

I'm too tired to think of ww or study.

For good or bad, let it be for toDay:

++lynch Nerwen

++captain Sally

++guard Nienna

I do hope we make a right decision toDay, and if not, well, we suffer the consequences and that's it.

Good night!

You know why they aren't lynching you, Lommy? Because you changed your mind. You'll notice that the moment you began to agree with them, they dropped all suspicion of you. Sally, Loslote, Nienna. All of them.

[Nienna]

I'm sorry Gwath if we are being scary. We are actually not a scary bunch.

We were being conspiratorial because we don't want to talk about roles out-right. But I believe its not that difficult to discern.

[Nienna]

You know why they aren't lynching you, Lommy? Because you changed your mind. You'll notice that the moment you began to agree with them, they dropped all suspicion of you. Sally, Loslote, Nienna. All of them.

She is either being a good innocent or a smart wolf. Either way she has talked herself out of a lynch and if she is an innocent (we should mention that she is the only person--other than Me, Sally, and Lottie--who is proclaiming her innocence) then this is very very good. If she and Nerwen are wolves then we have time to catch her. If Nerwen is the last innocent then she didn't try at all to convince us and gave up on the safety of the village.

[Nienna]

Kath!!! I have to vote really super soon. What thinks you about Nerwen?

[Gwathagor]

Hi, hi, hi - sorry for missing so much of the Day (again!). I've spent the whole Day in London with Rune!



You've got a lot of talking to do.

[Nienna]

Ok gotta go sit in class for a really long time. I really hope we are right.

++Nerwen

++Captain Sally

++NG Nienna

[Gwathagor]

Look, Nienna. ONE of you is a wolf. In WW, in any ostensible category or group, it's never all innocents or all wolves. There's always one mixed in with the others, which is why I'm hesitant to write you all off. But I know that one of you has to bad. This is why I hesitate to trust any of you, because I'm guessing that you're all being cleverly manipulated.

[Gwathagor]

Sheesh. This is a band-wagon or I've never seen one.

[Gwathagor]

I still don't understand why Nerwen is getting lynched apart from Nienna saying it should be so. Aargh this is driving me crazy.

[Kath]

Sorry Nienna, had to go and get some dinner. I don't know what I think of Nerwen, I'll go have a look through her posts now.

[Nogrod]

The 'Downs has been ominuosly slow at times the last hour... :(

So if for some reason the site is down at the DL and still is at +1 hours (then I need to get to sleep the absolute latest), we'll continue the Day with 12 hours eg. it will end at 10AM GMT tomorrow.

But if it comes back to life shortly after the DL has passed, we just add that one hour and the DL will be 11PM GMT.

Okay?

And anyway let's hope it stays up and running... and the DL could be what it is meant to be. *crosses fingers*

So just a precaution...

[satansaloser2005]

You want another option, Gwath? Fine.



++Lynch Gwath

I'm rather confused, mostly because I was at work later than I expected so I've only skimmed.


Oh, and....

++Kath for NG


I've always liked to be different.

(I'm at my mom's so I might disappear for a couple minutes because I just plopped down and jacked her husband's computer so he's not too happy. Hehe.)

[Nogrod]

Sally: to which position are you voting Kath, Captain or the NG?

[satansaloser2005]

Sally: to which position are you voting Kath, Captain or the NG?

Edited in. Sorry. :o

[satansaloser2005]

Where are you all? :(

[satansaloser2005]

*taps foot impatiently*

[Kath]

Nerwen:
Says the Captain role is a big risk and helps the wolves more than the innocents so need to watch those who ask for the role.
Confused by Fea’s getting rid of her retractions and Boro’s use of less than obscure quotes to ‘test’ people.
Then changes her mind in that maybe the wolves wouldn’t go for the captaincy.
Annoyed by Boro over the Fea and votes thing.
Questions Legate about his methods.
Votes Roa for captain, mentions that Rune would be a good choice but Roa has better leadership qualities. I’d say both of them are a little overbearing as leaders but hey, opinion. Protects me.
Defends Hakon against Roa.
Votes to lynch Boro for being over the top about Fea. Other choice would be Hakon but still doesn’t want to lynch him.
From Roa: Rune, Valier, Lottie and Boro seem to have something going on. Well we know she was right about two of them already.
Comes to the conclusion that maybe the wolves actually would go for it given Rune’s role so maybe they were pushing hard, but only to the extent that it wouldn’t take them too far out of their comfort zones. Basically, the wolves will act how they would act as innocents, only with a view to getting one of them in as captain.
Notes that Valier voted for Loslote and was the only person to. We now know Valier was the cobbler so this could go either way, but given that it’s Day 1 there’s no reason that she’d be any more right or wrong.
Bit worried about Brinn.
Points out Mac was actually not a no trace kill and wonders why he wasn’t used to frame people.
Has changed her mind about the captain role seemingly, as she now wants to see the captain get more power. However, the captain in question was Legate who ended up pretty widely considered innocent, and we know now was.
Defends Legate.
Mentions suspicion of Valier and Loslote for being Rune voters.
Is seeing Nienna and sally as innocent due to the kill and makes them safe.
Suspicious of Fea.
Votes Lottie as wants to open another option.
Asks Valier why she’s suspicious of Roa for being against Rune.

Ach running out of time. Will post this and have a think.

[Kath]

Wait, I'm confused by Nog's post. Is Day ending in, er, 8 minutes? Or in an hour and 8 minutes?

[satansaloser2005]

Wait, I'm confused by Nog's post. Is Day ending in, er, 8 minutes? Or in an hour and 8 minutes?

Heck if I know, but I'd vote now just in case.

[Nogrod]

Wait, I'm confused by Nog's post. Is Day ending in, er, 8 minutes? Or in an hour and 8 minutes?In six minutes if the 'Downs works... It was just a precaution as the site has been slowish lately...

[Gwathagor]

Where are you all? :(

I'm heeeeeeere.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm heeeeeeere.

Heh. Yes, but I'm pretty sure you're evil. Thanks though. ;)

[Nogrod]

Deadline... three minutes from now.

To avoid any misunderstandings.

[Gwathagor]

You want another option, Gwath? Fine.



++Lynch Gwath

I'm rather confused, mostly because I was at work later than I expected so I've only skimmed.



You're confused? I'M confused. Why are you voting for me now?

[Kath]

Right, okay then.

I'm fairly happy with having sally as captain so:

++SALLY for captain

I see little point in having Nienna as Night Guard if what she is hinting at is what she is hinting at. There actually seems little point in voting here though as she clearly is going to be Night Guard, there isn't another option.

I'll post this and have a think about my lynch vote. I would personally prefer to lynch Lottie, I find her more suspicious than anyone else. Probably then followed by Lommy given her emotional blackmailing earlier. I haven't decided about Nerwen - I found both suspicious and innocent seeming things in her posts.

[Gwathagor]

Heh. Yes, but I'm pretty sure you're evil. Thanks though. ;)

Ok, point taken. Any reasons to back this up??? ANy evidence?

[Kath]

Well, Lottie won't happen so for the lynch:

++LOMMY

[Gwathagor]

Right, okay then.

I'm fairly happy with having sally as captain so:

++SALLY for captain



Really?

I personally think you'd make a much better captain, given the circumstances.

[Gwathagor]

++Thinlomien

++Kath for Captain

++Sally for Night-Guard

[satansaloser2005]

Ok, point taken. Any reasons to back this up??? ANy evidence?

Process of elimination, really. Nerwen's probably (read, hopefully) evil too but I like to keep my options open. And you were whining. :p

*waits with baited breath, and hopes no one is attracted*

[Kath]

Gwath you need to bold that for it to count you know.

[satansaloser2005]

Gwath, bold!

--Gwath

++Lommie

[Nogrod]

Day 4 is over, stop posting!

Sally will be the Captain.

Nienna will be the NG.

EDIT.EDIT.EDIT.

= Needs tro do a recount after Sally's last change...


Narration and the roles will be in soon, hopefully...

[Nogrod]

The Brandywine Cabins were actually two Hunters’ Lodges, a curing-house and a sauna built initially by Breelander hunters going for a hunting trail as the flocks of elks and the moose used to be abundant at these areas. By time they were forgotten by the men of Bree, but the Rangers of the North remembered them well and took them to their own use.

They were built half into the ground so only the upper half of the ceilings were above the ground. The Rangers had landscaped them by pulling soil on top of them – and now after a century or so they were just mounds in the middle of a thicket of woods to any ignorant passer by.

But to the Rangers they were the oasis of the wilderland. They had storages of cured meat, dried bread and fruit, wine, dry wood for the fireplaces, first-aid supplies, clean clothes, tinderboxes, some weaponry, blankets… and real beds with mattresses – even if thin and rude.

The Rangers reached the cabins at early afternoon due to their early start. After heating up the cabins and the sauna they broke holes into the ice and washed themselves in the icy water of the Brandywine. After the bathing; fresh, clean and with a decent meal in their bellies they finally took the wine to the table of the larger cabin and started talking.

“Lottie and Sally have my full support, the werewolves must be among you others. Now explain…” Nienna proclaimed.

“I don't suspect Nienna or Sally” Loslote added nodding his head towards Nerwen. “You must be one, and then maybe Lommy and Gwath…”

“Not me, Lommy is!” Nerwen protested.

“Well, Lommy should not be a Captain anyway.” Sally said. “But I might like to be a Captain…”

“Sally should be the Captain” Nienna and Loslote echoed.

“Well now you’re either trusting innocents or then scheming wolves…” Lommy shook his head in despair.

“Look, Nienna. One of you is a wolf. In any ostensible category or group like this, it's never all innocents or all wolves. There's always one mixed in with the others” Gwath tried to reason.

“How can you trust them just like that… now just consider Nienna.” Kath added.

But they were voting for Nerwen to be lynched.

Loslote, Lommy and Nienna stood up and pulled their swords.

“It’s time Nerwen!” Loslote said.

“Give away your sword in peace.” Lommy added.

“Yeah. We’ll do it nice and clean if you co-operate.” Nienna said calmly.

"Just a minute! Let’s lynch Lommy instead, like Nerwen suggested?” Kath put in.

“Yeah, I have no reason but winning in mind I should say…” Gwath continued and stood up as well.

“Oooh! That is soo bold Gwath! I’ll take back my word. Let’s kill Lommy!” Sally cried and drove his sword through Lommy’s side. Kath and Nerwen struck simultaneously. Lommy fell down bleeding heavily.

“You fools…” He sighed… and died.

Nienna and Loslote looked at each other in growing anguish.

Nerwen grinned widely now. “So you little schemers… you thought you run away with this?”

Kath chuckled behind him and casually stabbed Nienna to death.

Sally realised his mistake and tried to reach the door only to feel Gwath’s hairy arms around him carrying him back to the center of the floor.

“Okay, I’ll handle this little sweetie myself” Nerwen said to Gwath and pointed at Loslote. “Unless you Kath wish to do it… You Gwath have your way with Sally...”


The game ends.

The wolves win!




~*~

The Living:

Nerwenwolf
Gwathwolf
Kathwolf

vs.

Nienna
Sally
Loslote


The Dead:

Nogrod (mod) - turned into a werewolf and butchered on N1.
Hakon (The Master Hunter) - stuck dead on D1.
Rune (Werewolf) - killed from the sword of the Master Hunter at the end of D1.
Macalaure (The Berserk Hunter) - eaten alive by the werewolves on N2.
Inzil (Ordinary Innocent) - decapitated by the Berserk Hunter on N2.
Boro (Ordinary Innocent) - left to Bree to inform others about the Company's tough fate on D2. (killed by the wolves travelling alone in the blizzard)
Valier (The Night-Traitor aka. The Cobbler) - killed by the Rangers while trying to flee on D2.
Brinn (Ordinary Innocent) – stunned, dragged through a tunnel, stripped naked and left to froze to death on N3.
Greenie (Soulmate) - killed by the sword of the Hates Conspiracies Hunter on D3.
Roa (Hates Conspiracies Hunter) - overpowered by the Rangers on D3.
Fea (Hates Dark Deeds Hunter) - died in the loss of blood after being torn by a werewolf during a wolf-attack on N4.
Legate (Soulmate) - stabbed by the Hates Dark Deeds Hunter on N4.
Lommy (Ordinary Innocent) - stabbed to death by the wolves and Sally on Day4


I'll do some editing to the narration but feel free to discuss if you wish...

[satansaloser2005]

Wait. What?

[Roa_Aoife]

Lommy was innocent, Nerwen was a wolf. When you chose to kill Lommy, the wolves won.

And from now on, I lynch quiet players first. :mad::rolleyes:

[Inziladun]

Blah. Just goes to show that my appearance in a game is apparently bad news for the village, no matter what side I'm on. Innocents are 0-6 when I've played. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I was out of it pretty early, but hats off to the wolves.

[Nogrod]

And from now on, I lynch quiet players first. :mad::rolleyes:If one ever needed confirmation for that conviction, let this game serve as a reminder! :(

[satansaloser2005]

But....but....but....

*thinks each game needs a vote count person*

And for the record I was going to end up killing Nerwen. I thought about it on the way home and was like "No way, she's got to be a wolf".

*whimpers*

[Kath]

sally I could kiss you. I couldn't believe that switch to Lommy from Nerwen but I wasn't about to complain! :D

Woo wolves! And thank you Rune for your early sacrifice that kept us in the clear for so long.

[Roa_Aoife]

Wait, Nogrod didn't wait for you to break the tie?

[Nogrod]

Lynch:
Nerwen -> Lommy
Loslote -> Nerwen
Lommy -> Nerwen
Nienna -> Nerwen 3
Sally -> Gwath (cancelled)
Kath -> Lommy
Gwath -> Lommy
Sally -> Lommy 4

Wolf-voters bolded...

And the final-results bolded & underlined...

If you wanted to get Nerwen lynched, why didn't you vote for her Sally? :rolleyes:

[Kath]

And from now on, I lynch quiet players first.
Ahem. Nerwen and Gwath had more posts than sally and if Rune had lived he would hardly have been quiet.

[satansaloser2005]

sally I could kiss you. I couldn't believe that switch to Lommy from Nerwen but I wasn't about to complain! :D

Woo wolves! And thank you Rune for your early sacrifice that kept us in the clear for so long.

I didn't know it was tied or I wouldn't have. I was trying to get you Nightguarded so that Nienna could save Lottie and vice versa. *feels SO thick, and will now sit out of the next Werewolf game*

(I was hoping Lommie was a wolf, though, so I'll not lie about that. I wanted to kill Nerwen more because I was more sure of her guilt in the end.)

[satansaloser2005]

Lynch:
Nerwen -> Lommy
Loslote -> Nerwen
Lommy -> Nerwen
Nienna -> Nerwen 3
Sally -> Gwath (cancelled)
Kath -> Lommy
Gwath -> Lommy
Sally -> Lommy 4

Wolf-voters bolded...

If you wanted to get Nerwen lynched, why didn't you vote for her Sally? :rolleyes:

Heh. Again, keeping my options open. And I hardly had the chance to read up on things, which is my own fault. I thought they were both guilty so I was going to bring them to a tie and then....well, yeah. I'm dumb, I know. *hides*

By the way, Nienna, you rock. :)

[Gwathagor]

*refreshes Barrow-Downs for umpteenth time in past ten minutes*

:eek::eek::D

Holy smokes that was a close one. Holy smokes. WW hasn't been that tense for me since my early early games.

[Gwathagor]

If one ever needed confirmation for that conviction, let this game serve as a reminder! :(

Haha. Self-serving!

[Roa_Aoife]

Ahem. Nerwen and Gwath had more posts than sally and if Rune had lived he would hardly have been quiet.

Loud ones can be caught later. Quiet ones you never know about, as this game proves. I'm sticking by my position.

[Nogrod]

Wait, Nogrod didn't wait for you to break the tie?I had already written to my DL post that Sally should decide the draw and PM me about it... I actually posted it to the thread only to see Sally had changed her mind... (therefore the EDIT.EDIT.EDIT. -stuff there as I had to check and double check whehter it meant what I thought it meant...)

[Roa_Aoife]

Haha. Self-serving!

Says the man hiding with an invisibility cloak. :rolleyes:

[Gwathagor]

But....but....but....

*thinks each game needs a vote count person*

And for the record I was going to end up killing Nerwen. I thought about it on the way home and was like "No way, she's got to be a wolf".

*whimpers*

I thought about posting a vote count, but I realized it would only help you innocent types.

[Roa_Aoife]

I had already written to my DL post that Sally should decide the draw and PM me about it... I actually posted it to the thread only to see Sally had changed her mind... (therefore the EDIT.EDIT.EDIT. -stuff there as I had to check and double check whehter it meant what I thought it meant...)

Ah, I see.

[satansaloser2005]

I thought about posting a vote count, but I realized it would only help you innocent types.

I thought about that when I went on my rampage into the kitchen. "Well why didn't Kath or Gwath post- Oh. Right.":mad::p

[Gwathagor]

Well-played, everyone. Nienna and Sally and Loslote, you guys really had me scared there at the end. Really scared. Good teamwork.

[Kath]

Yeah we were hardly about to help I'm afraid. Though I did nearly copy in the vote count I'd done for myself before realising how foolish that would be.

[Kath]

Nienna and Sally and Loslote, you guys really had me scared there at the end. Really scared.
Seconded. It was terrifying! Especially when Lommy got on side too.

[Nogrod]

But I must agree with Gwath that it was super-tense the last Day!

First I was quite sure the innocents will lose, then I started believing they would get another Day... up to being sure it would be that way... only to find out the last twist... :eek:

And don't you worry Sally. Things happen.

And even if one could complain you didn't play too much in the early Days - and even if one would promise to try and get anyone lynched for that kind of (non-)activity in the next games - you really were a decisive factor on this last Day Gwath! *kudos*

There was so much on this game I need to come to them later as it's now coming 2AM and I need to get to sleep.

But thanks everyone! It was a fun game to mod, because of you and how you made it turn out with all those unforeseen ways! Great!

And say what you wish, but I think it was quite an even game in the end. The wolves made masterful picks where hunters basically triggered disasters. And still it was soo close in the end... and had it continued I think the innocents would have had the edge in turn.

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh, and for the record: I am slightly insulted by those who suggest I would make a resigned post and then disappear if I was a wolf. When I'm about to be lynched as a wolf, even if the seer has revealed me, I fight tooth and claw till the very end, stirring up as much chaos as possible for my fellow wolves to hide in. I take it as a matter of personal pride. :p

[Nogrod]

I have to add this one...

So the Rangers failed their mission but no worries. Bandobras Took took care of the wolves even without them (little did you Rangers foresee that!).

:D:rolleyes::cool:

[Mnemosyne]

That is because Bandrobas Took wins at life.

In other news, this was a fun game to read and I'm actually massively glad that I didn't partake only because I got a lot of other stuff done as a result.

[Macalaure]

Considering how many possible protections there were, it's surprising how quick this game ended. Especially since it almost looked as if the innocents were still going to turn it around. Kudos to the wolves, great game.

And there ends my streak: in the six games that I got wolf-killed so far, my innocent side always won. :( *curses*

[Loslote]

I thought we had it! I disappear for three hours and you let the wolves win! :mad::rolleyes:

Great game, though. Nienna, Sally, we were close...:rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

*cough*

Sorry about the Legate thing.

I meant to change who I was Hunting and I forgot.

You can ask Nienna- I literally forgot about deadline every single Day and Night. That is a massive record.

The one where I didn't realize I'd missed deadline and forgotten to vote until three hours after, when I was watching the season premiere of Grey's? The night I went to IM Nienna about something random only to suddenly remember Day had started an hour or two before... The evening I got an e-mail from Nienna saying, "Wow, I really thought you were a wolf" and I realized that 1) Day had started, 2) I must have been Night-killed, and 3) I forgot I was still hunting someone I thought was innocent. :eek:

I mean... I completely epic failed at remembering DLs in this game. Bad me.

[Loslote]

I got on at deadline a grand total of once this game. :rolleyes:

[Nienna]

Good job wolves... I guess... Though I believe our Nienna, Sally, and Lottie trio was brilliant. And then Sally decides its a good idea to vote for the person the wolves were voting for... *shakes head*

No worries Sally though we did have it in the bag :p

At least we had the wolves working for that win. Though if the Hunters *coughFEAcough* had done their jobs... :p

Lommy I thought you did beautifully convincing us until a seed of doubt was planted for Sally.

By the way, Nienna, you rock.
Thanks!

I agree with Roa about killing the silent ones... jeez.

Wolves why didn't you kill me? Did Kath tell you I was the Ranger?

I was the Ranger ps. in case no one got that.

My code was me telling Sally that Lottie had the same role has her but that was in ** so I was trying to tell her that she had the same role as me as we had planned out Sally false revealing...

Gwath what was with you and letters being capital out of place?... was that on purpose?

[Hakon]

I feel the need to brag that I was the only one to kill a wolf in this game. I beat all these veteran players at finding a wolf. My first time as a gifted and I manage to get lynched but at the same time to take down a wolf with me. I loved being in the role of a gifted. The three people I picked was Roa, Boro and obviously Rune.

[Nienna]

Oh Hakon! I meant to say that!

I move for Hakon being MVP the game... as he seems to be the only one to be able to kill wolves.

Brinn kindly requests that she be made a winner too as her only vote was for a wolf.... and then they killed her.

[Inziladun]

I feel the need to brag that I was the only one to kill a wolf in this game. I beat all these veteran players at finding a wolf. My first time as a gifted and I manage to get lynched but at the same time to take down a wolf with me. I loved being in the role of a gifted. The three people I picked was Roa, Boro and obviously Rune.

Of course, it was a few voters (some a bit misguided :rolleyes:) that caused your demise at the very moment you had a wolf selected. I really thought we were off to a great start there.

[Loslote]

Rune and Valier were the only baddies to really be suspected until the end.

That one day when I was almost lynched I got on after deadline, but I hadn't seen the Lottie-lynch group, so I was sooo surprised... :eek: I guess it was inevitable, though...what with the Rune thing... :rolleyes: So in the end, I was more surprised that you didn't lynch me that that you tried to. ;)

[Hakon]

I also want to say thank you for all the rep I have received for killing a wolf. Thank you Nienna for the nomination of MVP.

[Nienna]

...as I keep spamming... I just wanted to mention Nog that I really liked that there was a role that could choose in a tie because whenever it is just a coin flip it feels sort of artificial.

[Gwathagor]

Gwath what was with you and letters being capital out of place?... was that on purpose?

Please tell me you spent hours trying to decide if it was a secret code or not. They were just accidents.

[satansaloser2005]

Please tell me you spent hours trying to decide if it was a secret code or not. They were just accidents.

I spent five minutes, then realized it was either an accident or you were just screwing with me. :p

[Thinlómien]

Ouch.

I really thought I had been convincing enought and we'd lynch Nerwen instead of me.

Epic fail Sally :p and epic fail hunters (except Hakon) and epic fail more or less all innocents more or less for all game. :D

But I don't really mind we lost - I was getting too busy for ww (yesterday I used tons of time for ww although I should've been studying) and the last Day really compensates for my lousy success percent (although I did vote Kath on Day1 and suspect her here and there!): I was really glad to find out that it is not that difficult to figure out the right way of things, more or less, with analysis, and that you actually can trust some people in ww, and that I'm not too proud to change my opinion completely in the middle of a Day!

Kudos to the wolves, you played so well. It took until the last Day for me to figure it out. I know I kept suspecting Kath every now and then, but that's what I always do. Nerwen, you only made yourself suspicious by that very opposturnistic vote against me. And once I started suspecting you may be a wolf, your past posts started to look worrying too. And Gwath, really, you are the worst, because even on the last Day I was considering you innocent on the expense of Lottie's innocence because you just seemed so genuine. *shakes head*

Thanks to everybody, it was a great game (although a bit of a massacre). :D

[Thinlómien]

PS. I'll rep people once I've finished giving out reps for the previous game. :rolleyes::D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

She stole that word "massacre" from me ;) But it indeed was one. Well, anyway, really memorable game, and amusing one, too. I guess I do not have to recount my feelings on the last-minute switch, as probably everyone, I was like "oh my, it looks that they are going to win after all! How could the WWs hide after toDay?" and then, boom. Well, happens, happens!

First, one slight apology to Roa for going after you so madly. I have no idea how it could have went like that for so long, but you certainly fed it a lot with your stubborn way of posting. Gosh, if I remember how that nasty Gwathagor jumped on that, and I thought how reasonable he seems! I was tempted to say "really, please innocents, let's try to think as much independently as we can" before lynching Roa, but then, I thought we need to be just determined and lynch Roa, otherwise nothing will get done ever.

And I really didn't have any stronger suspects at that point, which, actually, after the revelation of the WWs, is really not that surprising. Okay, I don't think it was that bad in the end or that you would really be totally quiet, but Kath and Gwath, at least in the beginning, really were hardly around at all (though that said, Gwath really compensated for it on the latter Days, and especially on the last one!). I am not speaking at all about Nerwen. She was probably the one I never suspected during all the game. Ever. I even suspected Nienna more, in the sense that it occured to me (especially after I died) "oh my, what if I was totally fooled and she is a Wolf".

And I should really learn not to overcombinate that much. Even now I was thinking I was holding myself back, "maybe too much", I thought at one point. Still it became clear that I should be holding myself back even more.

*cough*

Sorry about the Legate thing.

I meant to change who I was Hunting and I forgot.
Don't be. I should note here, for the record, that after Roa's death, it was you whom I suspected. And actually, killing me was probably something that helped the village - if I had been alive, I would have probably only contributed with more confusing stuff and suspecting the wrong people.

The best (and somewhat funny) example of this is that Nog actually gave me a choice, that is, if I survived the Night, I could have either remained as a known innocent for one Day (my role would be revealed in the narration), or he would NOT tell my role, but just mention that "the Soulmate was preparing his revenge" and I would die at the end of the Day, but I could take one person with me. When I was briefly considering this (though later I decided to go with the other variant, and anyway it showed up that I died), the person would have been Fea :rolleyes:

Anyway, brilliant game, everyone! (Especially the Mod!) I really enjoyed it, though really I don't have the nerves for this... Maybe I have grown being less used to such adrenaline, after being lynched or killed on Day 1 or 2 in several past games, thus dropping out always before the real frenzy began...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will be more careful what I wish for next time arround. . .

As a wolf I normally get lynched on day2, so my mission was not to get killed on that day, of course I did not intend to last even shorter.

I was very depressed when killed, not only because I thought I would have the chance to cancel the lynch all together, but also because I really wanted to do well as a wolf. (something I have never done before)

Unfortunately i was undone by poor planing and chance. It was only late on in day1 that I realised that the way this game was constructed, encouraged wolves to lay somewhat low and not be hughe attention grappers. (because of all the hunters)
Anyways I felt quite confident that I could avoid getting lynched as long as i stayed arround until deadline, unfortunately I had to bring some stuff to my sister that was leaving for Rome, then on my way home the train got stopped by police on the tracks. . .(suicide?)
On my way home I debated with my self about what I would do if I did become captain, I was thinking that canceling the lynch on the basis of the votes being to random might make me look innocent.

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I was very impressed with the wolves for the rest of the game, I never had the imagination to imagine such an amazing wolf victory. Well done!

And while I was amazed by the wolves, the rangers supplied me with lots of intertainment.

Thanks everybody for turning bitterness into amusement.

[Nienna]

Please tell me you spent hours trying to decide if it was a secret code or not. They were just accidents

Not hours but definitely a few minutes because you were all like "look at every word" hahaha. I soon realized that unless you meant 'Roa Also Sorry' I had no idea what you meant. :D

[A Little Green]

Oh. Great job wolves. Mr. Mod may prove that when he told me who the wolves were (after I was dead, of course) my jaw dropped a long way and I said "They are so going to win." Sorry Roa for pursuing you! While it was very nice and enlightening to have a soulmate with whom I could discuss at all times, it proved a bit dangerous too - Legate and I ended up strengthening each other's wrong suspicions... :rolleyes:

Seriously, though, this was a very interesting and fun game even if we lost quite spectacularly.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

While it was very nice and enlightening to have a soulmate with whom I could discuss at all times, it proved a bit dangerous too - Legate and I ended up strengthening each other's wrong suspicions... :rolleyes:

Indeed, that's one thing we've been doing a lot :rolleyes: I guess it worked similarly to a certain extent with Ni as well, not sure if it was mutual (but it seemed to me like that from her part). Of course if you see somebody of whom you know (or presume) that she is innocent, and she supports your ideas, then I guess the encouragement is just what you need to actually carry it out... it can work positively, of course, but also negatively, like with Roa's case. This game was a perfect example.

[Pitchwife]

Thanks to everybody for providing me with such an action-packed read! I kicked myself black and blue for not playing, but I really don't know how I would have done if I'd been - that mysterious alliance between Nienna, Sally and Lottie on Day 4 did look rather scary for a while, and Gwathwolf sounded so sensible... Congrats to the wolves!
Roa, I quite enjoyed seeing you in action for the first time and am looking forward to playing with you in one of the next games.
Nog, I liked your special roles and rules, they added a lot of spice and pace to the game (witness the wholesale slaughter caused by all those Hunters!), and the narrations were really nice - but I've got to say, the Transsexuals of the North amused me no end! ;)
See you all in Innsmouth?

[Loslote]

Ni and I thought Fea was a wolf in our Night Talk, too. :rolleyes: Really, wolves, if you had left her be, we would've lynched her anyway! :p

[Nerwen]

I only just managed to get back on line to find whether we'd won or not!

Gwath and Kath, thanks for the magnificent last minute defence... I hated having to vote so early, knowing I wouldn't be able to return and defend myself.

Honestly, on Night One I didn't think we wolves had much chance of winning this. Luckily the surplus of Hunters and the (nearly) all-star cast ended up working for us.

Oh, and thanks for being so open minded, Sally...;)

[satansaloser2005]

I only just managed to get back on line to find whether we'd won or not!

Gwath and Kath, thanks for the magnificent last minute defence... I hated having to vote so early, knowing I wouldn't be able to return and defend myself.

Honestly, on Night One I didn't think we wolves had much chance of winning this. Luckily the surplus of Hunters and the (nearly) all-star cast ended up working for us.

Oh, and thanks for being so open minded, Sally...;)

Lol. Hush, you. In the end I would have killed you, so watch it. ;)

[Nogrod]

Even if I thought it quite sad the game ended that soon, in retrospect I must say it was a good thing as I've been totally work-beaten the last two days and wouldn't have been able to mod anything in any "serious way"...

Looking at it from the brighter side: no one had a chance to get bored. :D


Putting up a bit experimental game is always challenging but it was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed this.

Thanks everyone!

Just a few specials...

Nienna & Lottie, you were just impressive in the end! As well as Gwath!

It was interesting - even if sad - to see Rune go so early for kind of "wrong reasons" - if one could say that. I mean, everyone who has played with him would say that he acted perfectly like Rune, meaning there was nothing suspicious or special in his behaviour and thence no reason to lynch him on Day1. He would have probably pulled the same act were he innocent.

It was nice to see both Valier and Roa back in action after a long break. Hoping to see you again sooner than later! It's always a pleasure to have you in a game.

And kudos to Lommy for a stupendous last-Day defence and getting the wolves spot-on! I couldn't believe it wasn't enough... :confused: I'm quite confident that if Nerwen had been lynched the innocents would have won the game.

but I've got to say, the Transsexuals of the North amused me no end!Heh... I must say I smiled a few times while writing them... thinking about a weather-beaten, hairy, bearded and muscled Ranger named Greenie... :cool:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Heh... I must say I smiled a few times while writing them... thinking about a weather-beaten, hairy, bearded and muscled Ranger named Greenie... :cool:

Well, why not. I mean, "Greenie" could be a very good nickname for a ranger, imagine soldiers giving nicknames among themselves. And as for beards, well, we have seen the real Greenie with a moustache, so... :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I was actually quite impressed with how well this game went, I was afraid that the balance of the game would be awful, as it is always a risk when you fundamentaly change the game. But to me, an outsider, it seemed to work rather well and I don't think it has to with me cheering for the wolves.

[A Little Green]

Heh... I must say I smiled a few times while writing them... thinking about a weather-beaten, hairy, bearded and muscled Ranger named Greenie...:cool:Well, why not. I mean, "Greenie" could be a very good nickname for a ranger, imagine soldiers giving nicknames among themselves. And as for beards, well, we have seen the real Greenie with a moustache, so... :)Yes. I'm also widely known for being almost as hairy as Rune, and as for my muscles, well, they can speak for themselves. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Hey people,
I understand it might be a bit weird to ask at this point, but who were your picks? I was just thinking of this game and realised we never get a proper list of hunter and ranger picks. :)

[Hakon]

I might have already posted my pics but I am too lazy to go and check so here they are.

I picked in this order:

Rune
Roa
Boro

I almost changed it from Boro to Lommy right before the voting was up.

[Nienna]

I was a ranger in case anyone forgot haha

Night 1: NG so no pick
Night 2: Captain so no pick
Night 3: Kath I think

So the only night I had the opportunity to protect someone I picked a wolf. Oops.