T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Nogrod]

Sorry but I’ll make you all men because the story is a story of rangers and there probably weren’t any female rangers – not to talk of half of the gang being females… Sorry.



The dark clouds that poured the snow down had blocked the sun already in the early afternoon but now it was getting actually dark. The wind grew harsher and colder by minute and the rangers trying to make their way in the snow were having no choices. They had to halt rather sooner than later.

“Baithïr’s hills should not be far… we’ll take cover for the night there!” Captain Nogrod yelled against the storming wind hoping that someone could hear him from the howl of the air around them. Well, if we find them in this blizzard… he thought to himself but kept the pessimism to his own.

They dragged on for about an hour in the blizzard when they finally saw the dark shapes of the small mounds the rangers called Baithïr’s hills in memory of a rather comic incident a few Breelanders had been involved with decades ago. None remembered the story too well anymore but the name had stuck.

“Here be it!” Fea proclaimed when he finally reached the slight cover of the mound and threw his backpack to the snow.

“Then fire…” said Nienna as he let his backage down next to Fea’s.

“Who has the firewood?” Inzil asked looking around for a suitable place to start building a fire.

“I has them!” Sally shouted from behind. “I’m coming, I’m coming… just a moment.”

Suddenly the wind sounded different. It was like it had been but it was also like there was something added to it.

“Now what’s that?” Hakon asked somewhat irritated.

“I don’t like the sound of it, whatever it is…” Mac said spitting to the snow and then raising his head to listen more carefully.

“Wolves?” Kath asked after listening to the sounds for a few seconds. “That could be wolves…”

“Wolves, here?” Loslote sounded unhappy with the speculation. “Now we don’t need to add wolves to our condition now do we?”

Suddenly Valier stood up from his pack he had been sitting on. “I have a bad feeling about this… it sounds like wolves but it’s not normal wolves. It’s something fouler…”

“You mean the stories of the White Wolves might be true?” Greenie suggested looking grim.

“I’ve heard even fouler stories…” Nerwen added and took a firm hold of his sword. “Whatever they are, they are nearer now!”, he shouted and stood up.

“A circle, form a circle!” Nogrod yelled drawing his sword.

“I can see one, there!” Roa called and ran to face the beast coming from the blizzard.

“I’m with you!” Lommy shouted and went after Roa.

“There’s one… no two here as well!” Boro yelled and charged.

“Coming! Coming!” Legate called after Boro.

“They’re everywhere!” Gwath exclaimed while turning against the nearest one.

“Cover your mates! Look around!” Brinn yelled as he went to help Gwath who was actually facing two wolves.

“One down!” Rune was all smeared in blood but the wolf laid down in front of him. The snow was dark red around the corpse. “Who needs help?”


The fight was over quite as soon as it had ignited. The wolves retreated as soon as they realised they had attacked tougher guys they had bargained for. But many were wounded, Captain Nogrod the worst. He had a bleeding artery and had been saved only by Hakon’s courage and determination.

“Loslote! The Cap’n! We can’t let him bleed to death!” Greenie yelled when he saw the blood around Nogrod and tried to rip the furcoat from him to get to see the wound.

“Fire someone... Sally, quick!” Fea called and went to her package looking for the little herbs he had left.


Soon the rangers had built a modest camp shoving the snow away from an area and building a fire in the middle of the sphere of uncovered soil. Nogrod laid by the fire and the fever started to rise. He was shaking all over even if the wounds had been succesfuly bound.

“Rest now me mate…” Mac tried to console the Captain stroking his hair. “Just rest, everything’s different in the morning. We’ll keep you warm my friend.”

Nogrod tried to say something but couldn’t.

“Okay, some people take care of the Captain but we need sleep ourselves as well…” Gwath said and looked around. “Wake me up in a few hours and I’ll pick me a mate to look after him for the next few. Okay?”

"Wake me up as well..." Roa said, "I'm no use in healing but I have my sword and my ears..."

Many nodded while others just turned away to get some sleep. Boro and Kath stayed at the side of their Captain as the first turn keeping up the fire and trying to make Nogrod to swallow their last herbs in a potion Valier had made.

"Just don't die now... don't you dare to die... we've seen too much together" Kath whispered while trying to make Nogrod drink the potion.

Boro stared at the fire and the snow piled on his jacket... It was going to be a long night to all of them.

It's Night1 now (and I'm ten minutes late...).

Hush...

[Nogrod]

Even if the temperature fell down to minus 20 degrees during the night Nogrod was sweating all over moaning and groaning in pain not being able to sleep. Finally the shaking ceased for a moment and he managed to open his eyes a bit. He saw the worried faces of Rune and Lommy bending over him.

“I’ll warm the potion to you Cap’n… I mean if you could drink it now? Mead and herbs… makes good.” Rune asked and rose to warm the tin-mug in the fire.

“Nightmares as well Nogs? That’s what it is? You sounded terrified…” Lommy whispered to his long time Captain.

Nogrod nodded slowly and sighed trying to fully open his eyes, with little success. “And the pain… It’s like… like my whole body and soul are on fire that consumes all from the inside…” he muttered quietly. “Sorry…” He drew breath and closed his eyes to regain some power.

“What is this devilry…” Lommy whispered as he wiped Nogrod’s forehead with a warm cloth. “You’ve been like a father to me, don’t fade my friend...” he murmured quietly before Rune came with the potion. Together they lifted Nogrod’s head up and forced him to drink the potion Valier had made. He coughed long and hard trying to swallow the potion but finally at least some of it was inside him and the two rangers carefully laid him back on the ground.

“Okay then…” Nogrod began concentrating on the few words he felt he had strength to utter. “I don’t think I’ll be seeing the light of day anymore so listen carefully…”

“Don’t you dare speaking like that.” Rune protested. “We’ll get you well, we’ll carry you to Bree… We’ll walk night and day if needs be…”

Nogrod laid his hand on Rune’s arm and just hushed quietly silencing the ranger.

“I know it mates… I’m dying. That comes to everyone one time.” He paused and looked at the other ranger to the eye. “Listen now both of you. You should not go to Bree… We’re the farthest to the west of any company. You should head for the Shire; Tuckborough, Hobbitton… just think what those foul beasts could do with the hobbits…” Nogrod gathered some strength and continued. “You need to choose a new Captain for you…”

“No!” Fea had woken up and had come to see what was going on with their captain. A small tear fell down his weather-beaten cheek. “You’re the Captain, Nogrod. We’ll get you out from here, out from this foul winter. We’ll not let you down comrade... my Captain.”

Nogrod looked at Fea in anguish and shook his head, but then continued with what he had started. “And you’ll need to set up some guards during the Nights so as not to be surprised the way we were… and keep walking…”

Suddenly Nogrod’s body jerked violently and he howled with pain. Yes, he howled. He howled so eerily that the sound sent shivers to everyone’s spine. His body twisted and it looked like his skin was melting away from his body.

“What is that?!” Loslote yelled rising up.

Everyone was up now. Some tried to keep Nogrod down and still, fighting against the disgust with the melting and transforming body.

Nogrod panted heavily between the fits: “Kill me! Kill me now! That’s an order!” Then the jerking continued and he yelled in pain. “Give me the sword, for Valar’s sake, give me my sword!”

The rangers looked at each other not quite knowing what to do.

“Kill the beasts! There’s four more! Kill them!” Nogrod shouted and then swung himself up finally transforming into a gigantic werewolf as he went up.

Lommy and Rune took cover ducking the swings of the huge paws coming for them.

Inzil, Hakon and Nienna fired their arrows in concerto and they penetrated the tough wolfskin making the wolf howl.

Another set of arrows were released from the bows of Mac, Kath and Boro felling the giant.

“Quick now, it’s not the Captain anymore!” Legate yelled and ran his sword through the wolf’s chest while Roa cut the head off. The others followed the example and stabbed the beast in fury for so long it was merely a mess of bone, muscle, innards and blood.

Then it was quiet. No one dared to face the others for a while. They had killed their long-time Captain in a frenzy… and yet it was not him they had butchered.

Four more?

The first rays of the sun came from between the edge of the forest and the dark clouds hanging over them but Nogrod was not there to see the light of the day anymore.



The Living:

Fea
Nienna
Inzil
Sally
Hakon
Macalaure
Kath
Loslote
Valier
Greenie
Nerwen
Roa
Lommy
Boro
Legate
Gwath
Brinn
Rune

The Dead:

Nogrod (mod) - turned into a werewolf and butchered on N1.


It's now Day1.

It's your turn!

[Roa_Aoife]

The first kill was werewolf? Go village...?

Alright, there is no doubt that this is a very complicated game with a lot of ways to die. So, let's get the most complicated thing out the way first- captain. Is there anyone who for any reason does NOT want to be captain (either for RL reasons, not comfortable with the role, etc.)? At least that will narrow down the options while we pick each other apart with angry paranoia. Same for NG's- anyone absolutely against being an NG? (Not that there would be, since it's basically guaranteed protection with no responsibility.)

Also, we must vote for a captain, but unless I'm very much confused, we don't need to vote for NG's. I don't have a problem having NG's- it's always good for the village to limit the wolves. Does anyone else?

[Boromir88]

*Wonders how many of Nog's buttons I must push to get mod-fired. Let's start with...*

Here and reading. :p

[Nogrod]

Also, we must vote for a captain, but unless I'm very much confused, we don't need to vote for NG's.Actually you have to - as said in the rules (everyone votes for one and the two gaining the most votes will be chosen).

You don't have to vote for the BG's as they will be picked by the Captain.

Boro: there is no such button... :)

[Inziladun]

So, let's get the most complicated thing out the way first- captain. Is there anyone who for any reason does NOT want to be captain (either for RL reasons, not comfortable with the role, etc.)? At least that will narrow down the options while we pick each other apart with angry paranoia. Same for NG's- anyone absolutely against being an NG? (Not that there would be, since it's basically guaranteed protection with no responsibility.)

For Day 2 I will not be around for the latter half, and certainly not for DL. Beyond that, I have no issues with being Captain, and no issues with NG at all.

[Roa_Aoife]

Actually you have to - as said in the rules (everyone votes for one and the two gaining the most votes will be chosen).

You don't have to vote for the BG's as they will be picked by the Captain.


Ok, that makes sense. In that case, I will be holding my vote for NG until much later. (When I have an idea of who would benefit most from it.)

Inziladun, am I correct then in assuming you don't want to be a captain candidate toDay??

[Valier]

OHHH Poor Noggie!!! Werewolves in our midst? Well that is frightening!

I'm here, but will be busy most of the night (rl night) I don't have any problems with being Captain or NG. I will, like Roa be saving my vote for Captain at least awhile, I need to see who is worthy to lead us.

[Inziladun]

Inziladun, am I correct then in assuming you don't want to be a captain candidate toDay??

Well, toDay wouldn't be a problem, but Day 2 could be. Whatever you all think best.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Alright, there is no doubt that this is a very complicated game with a lot of ways to die. So, let's get the most complicated thing out the way first- captain. Is there anyone who for any reason does NOT want to be captain (either for RL reasons, not comfortable with the role, etc.)? At least that will narrow down the options while we pick each other apart with angry paranoia. Same for NG's- anyone absolutely against being an NG? (Not that there would be, since it's basically guaranteed protection with no responsibility.)

Okay, that's what I like about Roa - straight to the point (and now people can speak about nonsensical first posts). Anyway, as for me, I have nothing against either, Captain or NG. And NGs are certainly positive, so let's choose them carefully too. Especially as voting them is far more "random" given that there are two of them and it comes from different votes.

I am probably not going to hang around now, it's pretty late and I just stopped by as I am online, but I will come and post more after I wake up, which is in some eight (or ten...) hours. So until then, good Day, village...

[Boromir88]

Good news for you Legate, is at least you can't get lynched if you are a NG or BG choice. I would find it humorous to make you Captain for a Day (of course lynching you the next :p)

[Roa_Aoife]

*pokes village*

[satansaloser2005]

*pokes village*

*pokes you back* :p


Telling y'all now, don't vote me for captain, at least not for a while. I'll be far too busy for a few days and I really don't understand the rules. I'll have to go review things but for now it's dinner time and I'm bloody starving. Back after some tidying and foodstuffs. :)

[Boromir88]

*pokes village*

*wakes up from absent-mindedly napping.*

*Looks around*

*Yawns*

*Returns to nap*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hello.

You may make me anything you like, but I make no promises I'll be any good at it. Deadlines shouldn't be a problem for me.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Personally I think Valier and I are the most obvious choices for captain, but do we want to the responsibility?

We might never know. . .


Anyways I expect this will be an even more random day 1 than normally, as there is sure to be alot of confusion surrounding the rules.

OK! I admit it, this purpose of this post is mostly to tell that I will be arround for a short while.

[Inziladun]

Personally I think Valier and I are the most obvious choices for captain, but do we want to the responsibility?

Out of curiosity, why are the two of you the obvious choices?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Out of curiosity, why are the two of you the obvious choices?

We are good looking and eat lots of carrots!

Actually, it is because we are fantastic. . . Maybe not as wolf killers, but as persons and personal relations is often what people base their trust on.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Zil- perhaps they're eeeeeevil?

Hm. Perhaps I shouldn't post when I'm sleepy.

In any case,

++Boro

--Boro

++Boro

--Boro

Because I loathe having floating retractions around. I like my votes to mean something when I cast them.

(Boro was chosen as the first alphabetically. Nothing more complicated than that.)

[satansaloser2005]

Personally I think Valier and I are the most obvious choices for captain, but do we want to the responsibility?

Erm....okay?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Zil- perhaps they're eeeeeevil?

Hm. Perhaps I shouldn't post when I'm sleepy.

In any case,

++Boro

--Boro

++Boro

--Boro

Because I loathe having floating retractions around. I like my votes to mean something when I cast them.

(Boro was chosen as the first alphabetically. Nothing more complicated than that.)

And maybe I should not post while tipsy, but I did (and you did) so we just have to live with it.

Anyways I realy dislike retractable votes as well, it confuses me and at times enrages me.

[Roa_Aoife]

*pops back in*

Pst... Rune... I can see you...

I'd like a better reason than "good people skills" for voting you captain. Why do you want to be captain?

And what exactly are you trying to say about the rest of us? :p I have fantastic people skills, as everyone knows. (riiiiiiiiight....)

Oh, it occurs to me to answer my own question: I have no logistical issue with being captain. I make no promises on being a good one. Or socially adept one.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also: I find it suspicious that you seem so eager.

[Boromir88]

Out of curiosity, why are the two of you the obvious choices?

Rune typically likes to be put into a position of power and extreme importance, if my memory is accurate. It's good to see Rune, and his normal persona back, and because of that he has quickly shot up my list of Captain candidates.


(Boro was chosen as the first alphabetically. Nothing more complicated than that.)

Sorry, but that last sentence I find it hardly convincing.

"Nothing more complicated than that?" said the noble, wisened figure. "Well, my lady Fea, it is your task to explain yourself still against your words, which few now look to see."

To the person who can identify the Chapter this references, you are up for being my Captain's vote. I'll give a hint: I think you'll find this book very...fitting. (Granted I tweaked the quote to fit the situation, and it probably makes no sense, but whatever)

To the person who can identify the noble, wisened figure I'm quoting, you will be considered a NG vote.

To the person who can identify who the noble, wisened figure is talking to, you will be also consided a NG vote.

Now have at it! (One answer per person please).

Edit: crossed with Roa twice, and bolding important key words.

[satansaloser2005]

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?

















:p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

*pops back in*

Pst... Rune... I can see you...

I'd like a better reason than "good people skills" for voting you captain. Why do you want to be captain?

And what exactly are you trying to say about the rest of us? :p I have fantastic people skills, as everyone knows. (riiiiiiiiight....)

Oh, it occurs to me to answer my own question: I have no logistical issue with being captain. I make no promises on being a good one. Or socially adept one.

Thanks. . . I will probably forget to become visible again after the game, it is kind of an unintentional tradition.

I want to be captain because I have the most faith in my self, although it could be interesting with Fea as captain.

Ok I will go to bed now, I will see you guys tomorrow.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It's simply that I needed to vote for somebody in order to un-vote for somebody, and I forgot to see if self-votes are allowed, and I was too lazy to go look before posting, so I needed to vote for somebody that wasn't myself.

I knew that anybody I voted and unvoted for would be questioned, so I attempted to preempt the problem by saying point blank that I'd merely gone alphabetically.

Anyway... I'm an old lady, and it's time for me to snuggle under my blankets with Isak Dinesen.

[Roa_Aoife]

"Nothing more complicated than that?" said the noble, wisened figure. "Well, my lady Fea, it is your task to explain yourself still against your words, which few now look to see."


I'm confused. What exactly are you trying to say?

Also, what is unconvincing about what Fea has to say? What aren't you convinced about? :confused:

[Loslote]

I'm here...but I probably won't be super close to deadline, plus this is my first time, so I won't be a good captain. ;)

[Roa_Aoife]

Loslote, you're visible. Go to your control panel, click on edit options, and then check invisible mode. Unless much has changed sinceI've been gone, it's a requirement for playing.

[Roa_Aoife]

And I'll be out for a few hours.

[Loslote]

Oops, sorry. :rolleyes:

[Hakon]

You still have to be invisible these days.

I think I would game a decent captain. Feel free to vote for me if you want to. I do happen to have some leadership qualities. And let us hope that we do not vote a gifted into the role of captain. My role of course is not a gifted. I still continue my time as an innocent in this game.

[Inziladun]

I think I would game a decent captain. Feel free to vote for me if you want to. I do happen to have some leadership qualities. And let us hope that we do not vote a gifted into the role of captain. My role of course is not a gifted. I still continue my time as an innocent in this game.

That seems a bit odd to me. If you'd left it with 'I have some leadership qualities' it would look better. Are you certain you're innocent? :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

You still have to be invisible these days.

I think I would game a decent captain. Feel free to vote for me if you want to. I do happen to have some leadership qualities. And let us hope that we do not vote a gifted into the role of captain. My role of course is not a gifted. I still continue my time as an innocent in this game.

And again....awkward.


People who won't be getting my captain vote:
Rune (weird)
Lottie (bwahahahaha, I makes her a fun nickname, but she's new)
Hakon (weird)
Fea (because she's Fea) :p

[Hakon]

Yes. I felt the need to state I was. No really, I just wanted to see if I could type a hidden message without it being too suspicious. The first letter of every sentence spells out if I am. The last sentence was just thrown in. By if I am I meant if I am captain.

[satansaloser2005]

Yes. I felt the need to state I was. No really, I just wanted to see if I could type a hidden message without it being too suspicious. The first letter of every sentence spells out if I am. The last sentence was just thrown in. By if I am I meant if I am captain.

Well then, Sam I Am, we'll take that into consideration. (But it's still really weird. I mean really, you could just say you're an ordo and not try to be all clever. Are you sure you're not another Phantom account? :p)


Oh, and as a reminder, I'll probably be busy most of tomorrow. I will be voting, but I won't be talking much I fear.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, I think it's weird when people leave codes just because they can. If you've got something to say, fine, but if you're just trying to be tricksy save it.


Also also, I'm really excited that Kath's playing. If only she'd post....:(

[Nienna]

I'm here and should be around for a while. I won't be around for deadline toDay or even a few hours before as I have class.

So we need to vote for the Captain, the NG, and the lynch... right? And Fea has used both of her retractable votes so she's now locked in for the game... I believe.

[Boromir88]

I'm confused. What exactly are you trying to say?

Also, what is unconvincing about what Fea has to say? What aren't you convinced about? :confused:

I was not convinced by the "nothing more complicated than that" statement and asked for further explanation by taking a quote from a lovely book, written by an author I'm sure we all love to read and changed a few words to fit what I was asking for.

The other purpose was to see if anyone wanted my vote for Captain/NG than they would have to answer the questions about the quote.

Speaking of which, only sally has attempted, which she failed that means so far everyone else has failed. I was trying to figure out how I was going to decide on a Captain/NG. I could have approached it a normal way, that is wait to see if there's anyone who jumped out that I trusted, and my other way would be to see how many hoops someone would jump through to appease the monkey (ie me).

Any takers? The offer I made in my last post does have a time limit.

[Roa_Aoife]

I was not convinced by the "nothing more complicated than that" statement and asked for further explanation by taking a quote from a lovely book, written by an author I'm sure we all love to read and changed a few words to fit what I was asking for.


What other motive could she possibly have?

[Nerwen]

To the person who can identify the Chapter this references, you are up for being my Captain's vote. I'll give a hint: I think you'll find this book very...fitting. (Granted I tweaked the quote to fit the situation, and it probably makes no sense, but whatever)

To the person who can identify the noble, wisened figure I'm quoting, you will be considered a NG vote.

To the person who can identify who the noble, wisened figure is talking to, you will be also consided a NG vote.

Now have at it! (One answer per person please).

The Chapter is of course, Minas Tirith. Yay, now you have to vote me.

Actually, people, we need to take the Captain business more seriously. Unless I've totally misunderstand the rules, if we vote in a wolf, we're in trouble... and there doesn't seem to be any disadvantage to the wolves. So I'm kind of wondering about these people yelling, "Vote MEEEE!" toDay.

Also, we must vote for a captain, but unless I'm very much confused, we don't need to vote for NG's. I don't have a problem having NG's- it's always good for the village to limit the wolves. Does anyone else?

No, I don't believe we need to (I think I've got that bit straight), but I don't see why we shouldn't... unless gifteds lose their power if they're Night Guards. I'll check.

[Nerwen]

Also, I want to know what Boro and Fea are up to (even apart from general principles).

I don't understand why Fea (in any role) would want to shed her retractables. I mean, you can say, "yeah, it makes her look innocent, therefore she must be evil," but is it worth it even then?

And Boro...

I was trying to figure out how I was going to decide on a Captain/NG. I could have approached it a normal way, that is wait to see if there's anyone who jumped out that I trusted, and my other way would be to see how many hoops someone would jump through to appease the monkey (ie me).

So why not pick a more obscure quote, then?

[Gwathagor]

So I'm kind of wondering about these people yelling, "Vote MEEEE!" toDay.



Let's not misrepresent. Only a couple of people have actually said they want to be Captain and the rest have only expressed their lack of objection to holding the position.

[Gwathagor]

I should let you all know in advance that I'm pretty busy, so while I'll be here, I won't be here a lot.

[Brinniel]

Hmm...I'm afraid to say I really don't have any time to devote towards toDay. It's already late and I still have homework to do. Then I have to leave by late morning for classes and I don't get back until way after deadline. Sorry about that.

Anyway, I admit I'm still a bit confused about how this game works, but I figured I'd make sense of it as I go along and play it by ear. After all, it's worked before.

It's always so hard to get a read out of anyone in the first half of Day One, so it sucks I have to vote so early. I've done random votes before, but I'm not sure I really care to do so this time around. For one thing, I'd hate to be partially responsible for electing a wolf into Captain position. Who knows, maybe I'll get a better feel for some players come morning, but if not, I just might not vote at all toDay. Which I think will be a first for me.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well as for the Wolf-for-Captain business, Nerwen is right about that it's probably the most dangerous thing that could happen. However, I think the Wolves would try to approach such a position somewhat subtly. Though not necessarily, of course.

And I don't get the Fea and Boro business at all and I also have no idea why somebody should be picking in it. Because I thought that it's just something completely normal, like, what's happening? Nothing is happening, so what's the problem? (With both of them and for the others.)

I am sorry for such two-liners, but now I am in slightly bigger time pressure than I thought, I guess the time when I will really properly be around will be in the evening, i.e. some six hours from now. But I will be around yet for a really short while now.

[Nerwen]

Let's not misrepresent. Only a couple of people have actually said they want to be Captain and the rest have only expressed their lack of objection to holding the position.


Well as for the Wolf-for-Captain business, Nerwen is right about that it's probably the most dangerous thing that could happen. However, I think the Wolves would try to approach such a position somewhat subtly.

All right, I'll concede the point.

And I don't get the Fea and Boro business at all and I also have no idea why somebody should be picking in it. Because I thought that it's just something completely normal, like, what's happening? Nothing is happening, so what's the problem?

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, Legate.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, Legate.

I meant that I thought Fea explained why she did her retraction vote already in the first place, then she added another explanation for the sake of it, still Boro questioned her which I didn't quite get what for. But okay, whatever, I don't get it, but it doesn't seem as anything that could point towards wolfishness or something, so I think it's better to leave it be. But then again others have been wondering about them, but I just thought that the matter should be put at rest - which is exactly what it is not if I am talking about it here. In short: I think it would be all too easy for Wolves to pick on "huh! Fea wasted her vote! Isn't that suspicious?" (While in itself, I don't think there's anything suspicious about it.) Or again, they could also pick on Boro because of that. So that's it.

Okay, but now I have to go. See you in a few hours.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Anyway... I'm an old lady, and it's time for me to snuggle under my blankets with Isak Dinesen.

You know she had syphilis, right?
One of my friends work at the Karen Blixen museum at Rungstedlund, a very nice place dedicated to a very interesting person.


Also also, I'm really excited that Kath's playing. If only she'd post....:(
Well, it is the trademark of Kath to forget about the game the first day, so we probably won't see her the first while.


Also, I want to know what Boro and Fea are up to (even apart from general principles).

I don't understand why Fea (in any role) would want to shed her retractables. I mean, you can say, "yeah, it makes her look innocent, therefore she must be evil," but is it worth it even then?


I kind of understand why she did so, atleast I can relate. I really dislike retractable votes, I think they remove some of the fun from the game, but I guess I am a bit more pragmatic thatn Fea and couldn't make my self waste the retractable votes. . .
Don't you like the fact that when a person has cast a vote then you know what you are dealing with and it also forces you to think your votes over.

Anyways I will be arround for some hours.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The ones who benefit most from vote retractions are wolves, because so few people retract before the last five minutes of a Day. In that time span, people tend to second guess their votes, realize somebody they like is going to die, retract, re-vote, OH MY GODZ ONE MINUTE TILL DEADLINEZ, wolves slip in and vote for whoever they feel like, and next Day they can just say, "I cross-posted with everybody."

Or there's always the lovely, "I thought I'd be back before deadline to change my vote. Oops!" Which pretty much lets anybody off the hook for voting for people who appear completely innocent.

My giving up my retractions has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with me being a control freak and liking to have all my ducks lined up in a row.

My votes should mean something, and I don't want to listen to people saying, "Well yeah, she voted for this person, but she might still change her vote. That's suspicious!"

My votes are either going to be suspicious or not, based on my one shot at getting it right each day.

/explanation

[Boromir88]

What other motive could she possibly have?

Is asking for further explanation from a throwaway one sentence comment a crime?

The Chapter is of course, Minas Tirith. Yay, now you have to vote me.

I said you would be considered, much different than now you get my vote. Seriously, though since Minas Tirith is correct, you are a candidate (in my head), so far, along with Rune.

This means the other 2 possibilities for NGs are still up for grabs.


So why not pick a more obscure quote, then?

I thought I was being pretty obscure? Anyway, I needed a quote that I felt fit the situation. The person the noble (old probably would have been a better descriptor :rolleyes:) wisened figure was talking to made the throw away comment "unless the king should come again" after boasting he wasn't going to give up his power to any man. The old, wisend, figure was not convinced by the last comments, hence why he ends up questioning "Unless the King should come again?"

In this situation, I was not convinced that Fea's statement, regarding why voting and retracting for me was "nothing more complicated" than being alphetically first. So, I needed a quote which would show my lack of being convinced, and ask for further explanation. Maybe it wasn't obscure, but I found it fitting regarding the situation, and pretty clever. :D

I meant that I thought Fea explained why she did her retraction vote already in the first place, then she added another explanation for the sake of it, still Boro questioned her which I didn't quite get what for.

Actually, you misrepresent what happened Legate. Fea gave her post with the retraction and one-liner explanation. I asked for more, she gave it, and since then I have not asked for any more. That means you can assume that either 1. I have been convinced by Fea's reasoning or 2. I have gotten all that I need from it and find no more use in pursuing it.

My other posts have not been still asking Fea for more, but responses to Roa and Nerwen who have asked what the hell is going on?

[Inziladun]

I thought I was being pretty obscure? Anyway, I needed a quote that I felt fit the situation. The person the noble (old probably would have been a better descriptor :rolleyes:) wisened figure was talking to made the throw away comment "unless the king should come again" after boasting he wasn't going to give up his power to any man. The old, wisend, figure was not convinced by the last comments, hence why he ends up questioning "Unless the King should come again?"

The speaker was none other than Gandalf the Grey. Considering the company you're in, there may not have been a quote obscure enough. ;)

I don't really 'get' the controversy surrounding you and Fea. I'm not a fan of throwing away retractable votes that could serve a legitimate purpose, but that's just me.

[Nienna]

I can vouch for Fea hating retractable votes. It's not suspicious, she would do the same thing in any role that she had. This is why Fea can be sneaky. She doesn't necessarily have a particular playing style for a wolf that is noticeably different than when she is not a wolf. We just have to pay close attention to her in case of any slip-ups.

I also don't find the Boro thing weird but can understand people looking to find suspicion without a lot of information.

[Roa_Aoife]

Responding as I read, so this may be jumbled:
Well as for the Wolf-for-Captain business, Nerwen is right about that it's probably the most dangerous thing that could happen. However, I think the Wolves would try to approach such a position somewhat subtly. Though not necessarily, of course.
A wolf could always try bluffing. And seeing as there are four wolves, they can try out more than one strategy to get one of themselves picked. I, for one, don’t believe that people who want power should have it. But a wolf could always be subtle: “Sure, you could vote for me, if you want… not that I care, or anything…”
And I don't get the Fea and Boro business at all and I also have no idea why somebody should be picking in it. Because I thought that it's just something completely normal, like, what's happening? Nothing is happening, so what's the problem? (With both of them and for the others.)
That was actually my point. Boro was saying that what Fea did was suspicious, and I can’t see a reason for him to think so, so I’d like him to explain why he thought so. If he cannot, then it looks a lot like someone trying to create suspicion where none would otherwise be. With no seer, there is only one reason why someone would do that.
Why shouldn’t we be looking at it? The behavior on Boro’s part is suspicious, ergo I question him. Why does that seem odd to you?
Is asking for further explanation from a throwaway one sentence comment a crime?
In this situation, I was not convinced that Fea's statement, regarding why voting and retracting for me was "nothing more complicated" than being alphabetically first. So, I needed a quote which would show my lack of being convinced, and ask for further explanation. Maybe it wasn't obscure, but I found it fitting regarding the situation, and pretty clever.
You didn’t answer my question. You said weren’t convinced that Fea used you to throw away her retractables because your name was first alphabetically. I want to know why you should need convincing of it. And no, it’s not a crime, but the comment was not a throwaway, and there was nothing suspicious about it. Your implication of suspicion here is what I find suspicious, and you have yet to give a satisfactory answer as to your reaction.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, 18 villagers, a two-thirds of the way though the Day, and we're only on page two? Where is everybody?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Where is everybody?

In my case, totally brainless without food.

After I shower and eat I should have a little more to say.

[Nienna]

There were a lot of people who mentioned they would have RL commitments so they probably wouldn't be around much.

But I'm here... for a bit anyway. Is there something you/anyone would like to discuss?

[Boromir88]

Also, 18 villagers, a two-thirds of the way though the Day, and we're only on page two? Where is everybody?

In my case my Max ran off under my parents watch and I must immediately drop my life and go drive 40 minutes to my house to wait for the poor guy to return. :rolleyes:

[Roa_Aoife]

There were a lot of people who mentioned they would have RL commitments so they probably wouldn't be around much.

But I'm here... for a bit anyway. Is there something you/anyone would like to discuss?

Umm... the game? The players who have posted thus far? What you think of peoples assertions? Who you're considering to be captain? Who you think might be a wolf (and why)? Who don't think is a wolf (and why)? We may not have much but we do have two pages. What do you think of them?

[Nienna]

List of people in order of post count:

Roa: asking a lot of questions and prompting a lot of discussion. She subtly says that she could be captain and then says that wolves my do the same thing.

Boro: either being silly or spending the whole time defending the two not silly things he said (questioning Fea’s use of him as a retraction and his quote method of picking people to vote for)

Sally: doesn’t want to be captain and won’t be around much

Zil: could be captain, suspicious of Hakon

Rune: wants to be captain

Fea: doesn’t like retractable votes

Nienna:

Nerwen: thinks we need to be careful not to vote in a wolf for captain

Legate: questions the Fea/Boro thing

Hakon: wants to be captain

Gwath: won’t be around much

Lottie: doesn’t want to be captain

Valier: wouldn’t mind holding a position

Brinn: won’t be around much

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I have a few vague suspicions but nothing really concrete.

Whats hard about the captain thing is that wolves want it but don't want to seem eager while the gifteds don't want it but don't want to seem like they don't want it. This could make their behavior very similar... we just have to be careful.

[Roa_Aoife]

Don't make me start flooding with analysis... I'll do it!

*sigh* Something tells me that the wolves are going be deep down undercover this game.

At this point, Rikae, Kath, Greenie, and Lommy have yet to even post. Greenie's a quiet one, fine, but what happened to the others?

I will probably vote someone who isn't here yet for captain. That way, if they are evil, at least they won't have a chance to do serious damage.

And at the moment my top suspect is Boromir. Yes, my points against him are circumstantial, but no one's posting.

EDIT: crossed with Nienna. YAY!

[Roa_Aoife]

Actually, I may vote one of them NG, since they are a likely pick for a wolf kill. (No trail to follow.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Actually, you misrepresent what happened Legate. Fea gave her post with the retraction and one-liner explanation. I asked for more, she gave it, and since then I have not asked for any more. That means you can assume that either 1. I have been convinced by Fea's reasoning or 2. I have gotten all that I need from it and find no more use in pursuing it.

My other posts have not been still asking Fea for more, but responses to Roa and Nerwen who have asked what the hell is going on?
Okay, fine with me then, though in fact, I could still join in asking the question which Roa asked you:
You didn’t answer my question. You said weren’t convinced that Fea used you to throw away her retractables because your name was first alphabetically. I want to know why you should need convincing of it. And no, it’s not a crime, but the comment was not a throwaway, and there was nothing suspicious about it. Your implication of suspicion here is what I find suspicious, and you have yet to give a satisfactory answer as to your reaction.

---

Why shouldn’t we be looking at it? The behavior on Boro’s part is suspicious, ergo I question him. Why does that seem odd to you?
It does not necessarily seem odd to me, but I think it's too much of an easy place to pick on somebody. Boro's behavior seemed, let's say, weird to me, but not necessarily suspicous - I could as well imagine him acting that way. (Despite the fact that I would like to hear his explanation of that, mind you!) But I was, or am, slightly afraid of the easiness of creating a big issue from such a rather minor thing, which is actually what in some ways seems to be happening right now. So just in other words, I am warning innocents of jumping onto this discussion without clear head, because I think this is a model situation of how the Day 1 lynches always emerge. That's not to say that we couldn't lynch Boro, for that matter. But I just think that this case of one comment should not be let to overgrow into a huge bandwaggon suspicion, which so often happens from small seeds like this. And that's what makes the first Day easier for the Wolves, needless to say (unless in this case Boro was one of them).

Umm... the game? The players who have posted thus far? What you think of peoples assertions? Who you're considering to be captain? Who you think might be a wolf (and why)? Who don't think is a wolf (and why)? We may not have much but we do have two pages. What do you think of them?

Well yes, that's what I would like to discuss too. However, I don't exactly want to say much yet before some more players appear - indeed, as it's been said, there had been quite a lot of people who still didn't show up, or who did not post much more than one short post or something. Also, then, from what I can say, I don't really feel like having read enough to vote for somebody as a Captain. I would really like to see others first. But okay, for the sake of it, one name - Nerwen, for instance. But that's really a long run yet, like I said. Very, very preliminary ideas.

If more people show up, you may get more from me.

EDIT: x-ed with Nienna and on

[Nogrod]

NB. There will be a change of a player in the game.


Rikae will have to withdraw but Mac will take her place.

I'll narrate Mac in in a short time replacing this announcement with it. But if someone is leaving the thread for good for toDay you should probably know it now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Haha, okay, I may as well post what I thought of, because I considered it a brilliant idea and it took me a few seconds to realise that it actually is not much of a help (if you say it just like that). After reading Nienna's post, I thought: "Hmm, Nienna is either an innocent... or a wolf."

Brilliant revelation, isn't it? :) Though you see, even though it seems like stating the obvious, the point is the dynamic behind the thinking. I have concluded that myself, I wasn't told that by the rules. :)

Well anyway, I may as well ask, Nienna, are you innocent?

[Roa_Aoife]

It does not necessarily seem odd to me, but I think it's too much of an easy place to pick on somebody. Boro's behavior seemed, let's say, weird to me, but not necessarily suspicous - I could as well imagine him acting that way. (Despite the fact that I would like to hear his explanation of that, mind you!)

Granted it's been a while, but I always remembered Boro as being one the more vocal ones, and right now he's said only one serious thing and it was just downright weird.

But I was, or am, slightly afraid of the easiness of creating a big issue from such a rather minor thing, which is actually what in some ways seems to be happening right now.

A fair point. In my mind, that's exactly what it looks like Boromir was trying for with his comment on Fea, inviting others to look at it suspiciously as well, and then he backed off when no one took the bait. That's a move I've seen before.

So just in other words, I am warning innocents of jumping onto this discussion without clear head, because I think this is a model situation of how the Day 1 lynches always emerge.That's not to say that we couldn't lynch Boro, for that matter. But I just think that this case of one comment should not be let to overgrow into a huge bandwaggon suspicion, which so often happens from small seeds like this. And that's what makes the first Day easier for the Wolves, needless to say (unless in this case Boro was one of them).


Another fair point. But no one else is coming forward with anything. I can't catch everything, and the quiet ones (minimal posters who say little and post less) are my blind spot. Which means I'm operating really blindly in this game. Discussion is the only the village has during the Day. We can't catch anything if we aren't looking.

Edit: Cross posted with Nogrod down

[Valier]

I'm here and should be around till deadline today, but alas I am having pc problems so my posts will probably be sporatic.
Hmmmm my thoughts so far....well not much I must say. Roa's a wolf (well I always think Roas a wolf so....:p) I really don't think Boro is one...not sure why yet. I don't think Fea is, so far. I understand her reasoning behind her throwing away her retracts.

There are quite a few ways I can see the wolves playing the Captain thing...ie: Out right ask to be the Captain, or just subtly say they wouldn't mind or the most likely, be really really helpful and make alot of sense, tricking people into voting for you. Which if I was a wolf would probably be the way I would go, lol but just me saying that could be construed as suspisious, but hey it's true. When trying to catch wolves one must think like them.

[Nienna]

Nienna, are you innocent?

Yes. Innocent of wolvery, that is. Innocent of other things??... well... :Merisu:

[Boromir88]

Roa, you tense?

That was actually my point. Boro was saying that what Fea did was suspicious, and I can’t see a reason for him to think so, so I’d like him to explain why he thought so. If he cannot, then it looks a lot like someone trying to create suspicion where none would otherwise be. With no seer, there is only one reason why someone would do that.
I just think you're making too big of a deal about the whole thing. No offense to Fea, but she does a well enough job making herself look suspicious, because everything she says will be scrutinized. If not by me someone else (as others did comment on it).

Secondly, instead of throwaway (maybe that was a poor choice of wording) think of it this way. It's like if someone is the 4th consecutive vote for a Captain, and adds on "because I agree with Inzil, but this is not a bandwagon vote." Maybe the person doesn't want to bandwagon, but the point is, it's clearly a bandwagon and therfor the person saying it isn't one, is not convincing.

Basically, I never find what Fea does is random, whether she says it or not, or if it really is random or not. She chooses and uses people who will be an advantage to her, and sorry for prodding around a bit to figure out "why me?"

You didn’t answer my question. You said weren’t convinced that Fea used you to throw away her retractables because your name was first alphabetically. I want to know why you should need convincing of it. And no, it’s not a crime, but the comment was not a throwaway, and there was nothing suspicious about it. Your implication of suspicion here is what I find suspicious, and you have yet to give a satisfactory answer as to your reaction.

Were you the one who was supposedly at random voted for? No. So, you are not looking at it from my perspective. I already have an inflated ego of myself, most of the time I just scroll through the thread and see who has mentioned my name, so when someone votes me twice, retracts me twice, I don't see it as being the product of someone's random choice. I get picked for a reason...sorry if this sounds arrogant to you, but would you deny it?

As an aside, Fea, you bold the person you want to lynch and you highlight your Captain/NG votes. I don't know if that means you technically still have your retractions or not?

Clarification from Master Nogrod. Do we get 2 retractions to use for the entire game (whether Captain, lynch, or NG)? Or do we get 2 lynch-vote retractions for the entire game?

Edit: crossed with everyone since Roa's post that I quoted here.

[Valier]

lol Legate did you just expect Nienna to go "oh ya I'm a wolf Hooowwwwwllllll" of course she will say she's innocent. In this game everyones word is well, just a word.

[Roa_Aoife]

or the most likely, be really really helpful and make alot of sense, tricking people into voting for you.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that an innocent villager would do the exact same thing. If we start lynching people for being helpful, then we lose all the people who are being helpful.

EDIT: more corss posting. I feel much better now.

[Valier]

Of course Roa I agree with you, butttt still the more wolves act like innocents and be helpful, the better their chances of being voted a Captain. Am I wrong? uggg it's been so long since I've played. this game messes with my head. There are so many ways to play as a wolf. My way of weeding them out is I look for people who play like I would as a wolf, or I look for people who do the opposite...lol so everyone is a suspect. (sorry it's early morning and I'm not quite awake)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A fair point. In my mind, that's exactly what it looks like Boromir was trying for with his comment on Fea, inviting others to look at it suspiciously as well, and then he backed off when no one took the bait. That's a move I've seen before.
Sure, and the same is also impeding in picking on Boro picking on Fea. It's just one level further. But right so, whatever - just if there was a suspicion for example against Boro, it should not be based just on this, but also on something else. Once again, too easy to create a bandwaggon with this, as it often happens.

Another fair point. But no one else is coming forward with anything. I can't catch everything, and the quiet ones (minimal posters who say little and post less) are my blind spot. Which means I'm operating really blindly in this game. Discussion is the only the village has during the Day. We can't catch anything if we aren't looking.
Surely not. You are making absolutely reasonable points, I completely forgot how you play. I acknowledge all you say, but the best would really be now if all people appeared and said something. Then we could move on. But as the Day passes, we may not have as much time.

Yes. Innocent of wolvery, that is. Innocent of other things??... well... :Merisu:

Okay, fair enough, that's all I need to know. Thanks for answering.

Okay... I guess I will wait a while around here, it seems people are popping up, like Valier, which is nice.

I think I might vote some person who was silent for the NG, but as not all have shown up yet, let's see. I'll probably stay until DL, or at least very short before the DL.

EDIT: x-ed with Boro and onwards

[Roa_Aoife]

Roa, you tense?
I find the lack of helpful posts frustrating, yes. Surprisingly, this makes not want to vote you, since you are the second loudest person in the village, and I may lynch myself if it continues on this way.

I just think you're making too big of a deal about the whole thing. No offense to Fea, but she does a well enough job making herself look suspicious, because everything she says will be scrutinized. If not by me someone else (as others did comment on it).

I have nothing else to go on, and I refuse to not say anything.

Secondly, instead of throwaway (maybe that was a poor choice of wording) think of it this way. It's like if someone is the 4th consecutive vote for a Captain, and adds on "because I agree with Inzil, but this is not a bandwagon vote." Maybe the person doesn't want to bandwagon, but the point is, it's clearly a bandwagon and therfor the person saying it isn't one, is not convincing.

I fail to see the similarity.

Basically, I never find what Fea does is random, whether she says it or not, or if it really is random or not. She chooses and uses people who will be an advantage to her, and sorry for prodding around a bit to figure out "why me?"

Fea can be quite random. But what could possibly have come of her post? Unless she's some dashedly complicated scheme, I can't see what could possibly come of it.

Were you the one who was supposedly at random voted for? No. So, you are not looking at it from my perspective. I already have an inflated ego of myself, most of the time I just scroll through the thread and see who has mentioned my name, so when someone votes me twice, retracts me twice, I don't see it as being the product of someone's random choice. I get picked for a reason...sorry if this sounds arrogant to you, but would you deny it?

Yes, I would deny it. It's meaningless. I would have ignored her post had she picked my name, because nothing can possibly come of it.

Edit: crossed with 73 down

[Macalaure]

Hi, folks!

I'm stepping in for Rikae, who went missing under an avalanche of schoolwork.

I read most of the thread and see the usual suspects out-arguing each other, but barely any actual suspicions. No votes, not even for captain and nightguards. I can see a beautifully random lynch coming up. ;)

I have a few people who I vaguely trust or distrust, but nothing of it is based on any actual reasons, so I won't bother bothering you with it yet.

I'll be back there with you for more later.

[Valier]

hmmm I'm not sure I like the idea of voting a quiet person for NG, that would be giving them a free ride for the night. They could just choose to stay quiet for the day after seeing that.

[Kath]

Oi! To sally and Rune. I've actually made it to a Day 1 this time so there. :p

Actually I must admit it's only because Nog put the link on the admin thread which I get emails from ... but never mind! I am here. By the way a 10pm deadline is always a little bit of a rush for me as I tend to forget until the last minute so don't be surprised if you suddenly get a flurry of (and by that I mean my usual 3) posts all in one go at about half 9!

Off for a bit now. Will return later.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

lol Legate did you just expect Nienna to go "oh ya I'm a wolf Hooowwwwwllllll" of course she will say she's innocent. In this game everyones word is well, just a word.

Oh no, really? I assumed that she would confess, how short-sighted of me!

Well, of course not. But I was just trying it for the sake of seeing how she replies. There may be people who reply in exactly that way and make it a joke, or something... the point is that if you are a Wolf and somebody asks you that, you have to lie, and well, sometimes it can cause some change in behavior or different way of posting or thinking. Some would try not to reply at all. The point is not the answer, but the form. It was just worth a try.

[Valier]

Ah I see where you were going with that Legate. I too like to post things to see peoples reactions. I find they tell alot about people.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

hmmm I'm not sure I like the idea of voting a quiet person for NG, that would be giving them a free ride for the night. They could just choose to stay quiet for the day after seeing that.

Well, "they" can be a very wide range of people not quite discerned, so it won't give them (or should not give them) the reason to stay quiet in forwards. Also, if they have free ride for the Night, maybe, but then on Day 2 and Night 2, respectively, they won't have it anymore. Also they should be PMing at Night, right, so maybe it will bring them to at least some activity. (Well, they don't have to, but every normal person would exchange at least few lines.) And people will then very likely be bothering them with asking "so what were you two discussing at night, could you tell us something?"

Anyway, the point of the idea of voting for NGs among the quiet is simply the fact that the Wolves often kill quiet people on Day 1 in order not to leave any tracks.

Though of course, I don't mind if somebody votes me for the Night Guard... :)

[Roa_Aoife]

hmmm I'm not sure I like the idea of voting a quiet person for NG, that would be giving them a free ride for the night. They could just choose to stay quiet for the day after seeing that.

True, but they're also obvious kill choices. And if they stay too quiet they will eventually be mod-fired or lynched or killed, since they cana't be NG or BG twice in a row, and towards the end the village tends to kill off the quiet people.

EDIT: Crossed with legate and poor grammer

[Nogrod]

Clarification from Master Nogrod. Do we get 2 retractions to use for the entire game (whether Captain, lynch, or NG)? Or do we get 2 lynch-vote retractions for the entire game?I must admit I was thinking mainly about the lynch-votes, but let's say it is what it says eg. two votes whatever they are? That's the simplest way to solve the issue.

The whole point of giving people two retractions was that if someone someday was unsure whether s/he could come back before the DL there would be a chance to change one's vote if one eventually had a chance to come back and saw that important information had turned out while s/he had been away.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea can be quite random. But what could possibly have come of her post? Unless she's some dashedly complicated scheme, I can't see what could possibly come of it.

I spend a fair portion of my time amused that people give me so much undeserved credit for brilliance or scheming.

More often I merely take credit for coincidences, or find ways to phrase things that leave no way for me to appear wrong.

It's exceptionally easy to say, after the fact, that I meant to do something all along.

And while I'll say proudly that I intended to stir up some discussion by tossing my retractions, it's something I'd have done with or without an ulterior motive.

Day Ones are boring without something to discuss.

I for one believe that anybody with the village's best interest at heart will toss their retractions, thereby cornering the wolves into getting rid of theirs as well.

But since people will selfishly and fearfully hold on to the promise that they might make a difference for the better, they will never take away the opportunity for bad guys to make a difference for the worse.

Life is sacrifice, my lambs.

But are any others brave enough to take initiative?

[Roa_Aoife]

FEA! You're alive! I was afraid you drowned in the shower!

[Valier]

Both Roa and Legate your reasoning behind voting for quiets as NG makes sense to me now, I never even thought of that (early for me like I said)

and Fea....so we are YOUR lambs are we?

[Roa_Aoife]

Ok, 5 hours before deadline, and all I have is a Boromir who's either of wolf whose plan didn't work, or paranoid villager, and that only because of one post.

You all asked for it. I'm going to start analysis (something I wanted to save for Day 2).

[Boromir88]

I find the lack of helpful posts frustrating, yes. Surprisingly, this makes not want to vote you, since you are the second loudest person in the village, and I may lynch myself if it continues on this way.
Legate is correct in his cautioning about bandwagon voting for someone on a minor thing.

However, if you find me suspicious, than vote for me, because I would not be the worst loss. Also, randomly deciding to bandwagon against someone else, because you are not confident in the suspicion of your top suspect, and then the rest of the people who decide to follow you for the same reasons can turn out just as awful (possibly more) than not going with a top suspect even if your reasons are minor against your top.

So, pretty much it would be a lot easier if we vote for our top suspects. I can't tell you what they will decide to do with you when my role turns up, but I wouldn't be the most terrible loss and therefor, going with someone who is not your top suspect might wind up more terrible.

I have nothing else to go on, and I refuse to not say anything.
I'm not suspecting you for it, I'm aggravated because you keep telling me I'm not answering your questions, when I have been. I have a bigger ego of myself than you do of yourself and do not think I am ever the choice for someone at random. You may not like my reasons, but separate that from the fact that I have been answering you.

Fea can be quite random. But what could possibly have come of her post? Unless she's some dashedly complicated scheme, I can't see what could possibly come of it.
When it comes from Fea, who I grant can do random things, but there is a history of her openly wanting me dead early...and I was trying to find out in this situation, why?

Edit: crossed with I have no idea how many.

[Nienna]

Here Roa this might help. It's every post up until you asked me what I think of people. I'll be gone for 2 hours and then I'll be back to catch up and vote before my class.

Roa: being very serious, questioning
Boro: being silly
Zil: no problem being captain
Roa: is going to hold her NG vote until later, questions Zil
Valier: doesn’t have problems with being NG or Captain, will hold her captain vote for a while (like Roa she says though Roa is holding her NG not necessarily her captain)
Zil: could be Captain today (but not really tomorrow) “Whatever you all think best”… that is a bit weird…
Legate: likes that Roa was straight to the point, could be either NG or Captain. Thinks we should choose all 3 people very carefully
Boro: being silly
Roa: wondering where the village is
Sally: doesn’t want to be captain
Boro:… being… silly
Fea: tells people they can make her anything that they want but she can’t promise she’ll be good at said job
Rune: thinks Valier and himself are the most obvious choices for captain (jokingly or not... don’t know)… “but do we want the responsibility? We might never know…” … this was weird.
Zil: wonders why Rune and Valier are the most obvious choices
Rune: “because we are fantastic” because they play the game well? *tries to not be offended*
Fea: uses her retractions so they won’t be around
Sally: “erm… okay?” at Rune about the Rune/Valier captain choices
Rune: apparently posting while tipsy, dislikes retractable votes as well
Roa: asks Rune why he wants to be captain, she had no logistical problems with being captain but makes no promises on being adept at it
Roa: finds Rune suspicious for being too eager for the captaincy.
Boro: explains that Rune likes having power and importance so this makes him a top candidate for captain, finds the Fea remark defending her use of Boro for retractions: “hardly convincing”, plans to vote people into various positions based on their ability to identify some quotes
Sally: responds to Boro’s quotes
Rune: wants to be Captain because he has the most faith in himself though he says a FeaCaptain might be interesting too
Fea: defends her retraction-defense
Roa: questions Boro about his quotes
Leslote: pops in to say that she probably wouldn’t be a good captain as it is her first time playing
Roa: helps Leslote becoming invisible
Roa: will be back
Leslote: apologizes for being visible
Hakon: has leadership qualities so wouldn’t mind being captain, thinks we should be careful to not vote a gifted into captaincy, proclaims his innocence… as a non-gifted.
Zil: finds Hakon’s innocence proclamation weird and asks if he is sure he is innocent
Sally: thinks Hakon’s innocence thing awkward, won’t make Rune, Lottie (the new nickname), Hakon, or Fea captain
Hakon: felt the need to state that he was innocent
Sally: won’t be around much
Sally: thinks people leaving clues just because they can is weird
Nienna: asked some fabulous questions that no one answered… its cool.
Boro: defends his quote and leaves it open to other takers
Roa: wonders what other motive Fea could have had for defending her retraction post within the post
Nerwen: identifies Boro’s quote, thinks we should take the captain stuff more seriously as we really don’t want to vote in a wolf
Nerwen: wonders what Boro and Fea are up to
Gwath: reminds Nerwen that only a few people have actually said they want to be captain the rest say they wouldn’t object to holding the position
Gwath: will be busy
Brinn: won’t be around a lot, needs to vote soon, is a bit confused about the rules, doesn’t want to random vote as she wouldn’t want to be responsible for putting a wolf in for captain
Legate: wolf as captain would be tragic, doesn’t understand Fea/Boro, doesn’t have much time
Newren: asks Legate for clarification
Legate: clarifies that the Fea/Boro thing should be dropped
Rune: can relate to Fea dropping her retractable votes
Fea: defends her retracts
Boro: defends himself some more
Zil: answers another part of the quote, doesn’t understand the Fea Controversy
Nienna: vouches for Fea, doesn’t find the Boro thing weird
Roa: a wolf could try bluffing into captaincy, wonders why Legate finds her questioning Boro odd, prompts Boro to actually answer her question
Roa: wonders some more where people are
Fea: needs shower and food
Nienna: reminds Roa that people mentioned lots of RL reasons for being away
Boro: says why he’s not going to be around much
Roa: prompts me to make this post

[Roa_Aoife]

Nienna, I love you.

[Inziladun]

Gah, I dislike Day 1's.
Even with many people talking, there never seems to be much of substance to work with. I may be leaning toward Boro as one NG, however. While I don't think him worthy of serious doubt just yet, he's sending an odd vibe or two.
The Captain is, at the moment, nearly as pressing a concern for me as the lynch candidate for toDay. That's a lot of power, and certainly dangerous for a wolf to have.
Roa (who I have absolutely no previous knowledge of) has been the most vocal and has said nothing to draw my suspicion yet. I'm considering her for Captain.
Really, the most doubtful thing I've seen thus far is Hakon's remark about why he'd make a good Captain candidate.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

FEA! You're alive! I was afraid you drowned in the shower!

Actually, I got massively distracted by the movie 'The Prince & Me: A Royal Honeymoon' which was exactly as terribly as it sounds. I haven't even made it to the shower yet. Naughty me...

and Fea....so we are YOUR lambs are we?

Well, dear, in a game such as this, you're either a lamb or a wolf in sheep's clothing. Do you deny that you're a lamb?

Nienna- didn't anybody with a background in writing ever teach you that you can read things more quickly when they're spaced instead of compacted, and when they're formatted into columns instead of long lines? There's a reason it's easier to skim a newspaper article than it is to skim a Russian novel.

[Roa_Aoife]

I’m going to ignore the people with two posts or less, because there isn’t anything to say about them.
Starting at the bottom and working my way up:
Nerwen
Post 1 – Answers Boromir’s quote contest. Points out that the one reason to not vote for someone for NG would that gifted cannot act if voted into this role, is unsure whether this is true or not, Thinks people aren’t being serious about the captain
(She makes a good point and something I hadn’t yet thought of. Of course, the gifted can’t come out and say that they don’t want the job, so it makes little difference)
Post 2- Is curious about Boro and Fea, doesn’t understand why Fea got rid of her retractables, thinks Boromir should have picked a more obscure quote
(I hate retractables myself, but I don’t mind them when they’re limited in such a way. Not everyone feels that way, and a lot of people like them.)
Post 3- concedes to gwath that people are taking the captain role seriously, is confused by legate’s statement
(Aaaaaaand…. No, I got nothing.)
Also, Nienna, while your summary was astounding, I’m curious as to what conclusions you have drawn from it?

[Valier]

wow it's been so long I can't remember how to quote poeple.....
No fea I don't deny being a lamb, only that I am not your lamb.

[Boromir88]

Let's get the ball started...

++Captain Rune

Nice campaign speech, he wants it, take it.

++NG Inzil

This merely wasn't for jumping through a hoop for me in answering a question. I've had a very nice read on Inzil's past behavior as a wolf and he's not triggering any wolvish feeling. He's skilled enough to adapt, but I would like him protected.

[Nerwen]

Basically, I never find what Fea does is random, whether she says it or not, or if it really is random or not. She chooses and uses people who will be an advantage to her, and sorry for prodding around a bit to figure out "why me?"

Were you the one who was supposedly at random voted for? No. So, you are not looking at it from my perspective. I already have an inflated ego of myself, most of the time I just scroll through the thread and see who has mentioned my name, so to you, but would you deny it?

The reason, if there is one, could only be that she wants to see how you reacted. Why you? Well, your inflated ego should tell you the answer, shouldn't it?:rolleyes:

Well, of course not. But I was just trying it for the sake of seeing how she replies. There may be people who reply in exactly that way and make it a joke, or something... the point is that if you are a Wolf and somebody asks you that, you have to lie, and well, sometimes it can cause some change in behavior or different way of posting or thinking. Some would try not to reply at all. The point is not the answer, but the form. It was just worth a try.

Two questions here: why Nienna? And what did you think of her reply, then?

EDIT:X'd since Nienna.

[satansaloser2005]

Nienna, I love you.

Seconded. I heart Nienna's SparkNotes. :)



Roa, Kath's rather quiet too sometimes (although here now) so just keep that in mind. Also, good to see you, Miss Kath! :)


Okay, so to clarify, I (we) need to vote for:
Lynch (two plusses and bolded)
Captain (two plusses and highlighted, possibly add 'for captain' to the end)
Night Guard (two plusses, highlighted, and add 'Guard')


Right? I just want to make sure I get it right, see.

Going to lunch, but it'll be a slow day at the office I think so I should be around a bit this afternoon.



EDIT: x'd with Val, Legate, and Nerwen

[Nerwen]

Answers Boromir’s quote contest. Points out that the one reason to not vote for someone for NG would that gifted cannot act if voted into this role, is unsure whether this is true or not

And I still don't. Anyone have any clues on this?

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

[Nerwen]

wow it's been so long I can't remember how to quote poeple.....

Hit the "quote" button on the bottom right-hand corner of their posts.

[Boromir88]

And I still don't. Anyone have any clues on this?

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

I don't think it matters. If a gifted is night guarded even if the gifted can't act, the gifted can't be killed. With the gifteds being hunters and rangers, it may be to their advantage to be guarded early and survive later on when they have better chance at using their gifts successfully. That's just my opinion though.

[Nogrod]

Okay, so to clarify, I (we) need to vote for:
Lynch (two plusses and bolded)
Captain (two plusses and highlighted, possibly add 'for captain' to the end)
Night Guard (two plusses, highlighted, and add 'Guard')


Right? I just want to make sure I get it right, see.Boro made the "election votes" quite nicely in #95. The main thing is that I can see who are you voting and into what position - and to not mess them up with your lynch-votes (thus elections highlighted and lynches bolded).

Also to anyone thinking about this...
If a gifted is night guarded even if the gifted can't act, the gifted can't be killed.Right. A gifted as a Captain, BG or NG can't perform his duties during the Night but can not be killed either (even a Hunter can't touch them). Later in the game the number of them will decrease and in the end there will be none. (consult the rules for details)

[Roa_Aoife]

Rune

Post 1- Thinks he and Valier would make the best captains, but may not want to be, thinks this Day will be more random and confusing than usual, says he’ll be around a bit

(Well, that certainly takes some guts to say, but it’s a really obvious “I could be captain, but maybe I don’t want it…” ploy.)

Post 2- Says he and Valier are good captain candidates because they has good people skill and people can trust them.

(That is terrible reasoning: “You can trust me because you can trust me.”)

Post 3- Says he’s actually quite tipsy, and doesn’t like retractable votes

(Never post on werewolf while drunk.)

Post 4- changes to invisible, says he wants to be captain because he trusts himself, though he thinks Captain Fea would be interesting, goes to bed

(That at least makes more sense than his previous argument. Of course you’d want somebody you can trust in the captain position, and we can only trust ourselves for now)

Post 5- says Kath tends to forget Day 1, says he understands and agrees with Fea on retractable votes

(Overall, the most suspicious thing about him is his bid for captain. It seems really obvious, almost too obvious for a wolf ploy, but then, I’ve pulled obvious stunts as a wolf before and gotten away with it…)

[Roa_Aoife]

Iniz

Post 1- Says he won’t be around late in Day 2, so it would be difficult for him to be captain then

(Ok, just answering a question)

Post 2- Clarifies that Day 1 is not a problem for him, but we should do what we think is best

(shrug)

Post 3- Questions Rune about his bid for captain

(It’s a fair question)

Post 4- Finds Hakon’s bid for captain suspicious, especially with end statement of “I’m innocent”

(A good point and one that I’d missed)

Post 5- Answers Rune’s question, doesn’t get the controversy around Boro and Fea

(The only thing that bothers me is that he isn’t around.)

[Valier]

So we must vote for a captain and 2 NG? then someone to lynch? wow that's alot of decisions.
I think my Captain vote for the day will be someone I'm interested in seeing what they do with the role, my choices atm are Roa, Legate, Boro or Rune, since all are fairly talkative and it would be interesting to see how they handle it. The NG's on the other hand are just people we think should be protected...hmmmm

[Roa_Aoife]

Rune is one of the least talkative people here.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I may be leaning toward Boro as one NG, however. While I don't think him worthy of serious doubt just yet, he's sending an odd vibe or two.
May I ask how it is related? I.e. why would you want to vote Boro as NG, if he seems weird to you?

Two questions here: why Nienna? And what did you think of her reply, then?
Nienna, because she was the one who posted meanwhile between my two posts before (i.e. I x-ed with her, then I was reading what I x-ed with, and then I was thinking about her, which is described in the post I made), and it just occured to me to ask her there. That's it. As for what did I think of her reply, nothing very special. I may judge it also later depending on her behavior otherwise in the game.

And I still don't. Anyone have any clues on this?

I thought, since the rules explicitely state that Captain can't do anything else at Night and BGs can't do anything else at Night but with NGs there is no such statement, that it means that NGs can do whatever they are. But maybe Mr. Nogmod could clarify if he's around?

EDIT: x-ed with His Truly and onwards. Okay, so actually even the NGs cannot do anything, okay? Maybe you should write it to the rules then.

[Valier]

Rune is one of the least talkative people here

true, but I know Rune and would be curious as to how he handles the Captain role. It may tell me if he is Innocent by the way he reacts.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So we must vote for a captain and 2 NG? then someone to lynch? wow that's alot of decisions.

Hey, okay, one more question then. Are we supposed to cast one vote for NG or two votes for NG? I.e. everybody votes for two people? I originally thought that we are supposed to vote just for one person, and simply the two who got the most will become NGs. Or how is it? Nogger?

[Boromir88]

Val, everyone votes for one person to night guard, the top 2 vote getters will then be guarded.

Edit: Legate, I'm sure it was in the Rules somewhere, but I ask everyon to look at post #5 (in this thread, some reason it's not linking for me).

[A Little Green]

Hello, I'm finally here. Sorry it took me so long, Tuesdays are just very bad WW days for me. I'll be able to post more on the later Days, though.

I will probably vote someone who isn't here yet for captain. That way, if they are evil, at least they won't have a chance to do serious damage.I'm not sure if I understand this point right. Do you mean that a quiet wolf would be less dangerous if s/he was Captain than if s/he wasn't, or that s/he would be less dangerous as Captain than some other wolf? If so, why? However quiet a wolf, I doubt they would fail to use their Captain's power if given that - and if they do use it, I doubt they'd make it any better for the village.

As for your question in your very first post, I don't mind being voted NG. I have no idea why anyone would want me as Captain, and while I don't have any obstacles (except not being around at DL), I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with that much power.

Legate is correct in his cautioning about bandwagon voting for someone on a minor thing.Yes, I quite agree, as Day 1 bandwagons indeed tend to rise from little things and end up in disaster. I find it rather curious too, though, given that on a Day 1 little things are pretty much all we have. And while suspicion based on a little thing goes seldom right, it is also, on Day 1, the only thing that has so much as a chance of going right.

This, of course, has nothing to do with Boro and Fea's case. Personally I can see nothing alarming about either of them.

I'll post ideas about the Captain (and maybe NG:s) soon.


EDIT: x-ed with loads

[satansaloser2005]

Thanks for the clarification, Nog. (And Boro for the fine example.)


++Guard Val

Call it a hunch, but I think she'd make a good Night One kill. (And mind you that I was right last time with Mnemo as well as a couple others, so maybe I'm actually getting the hang of this. Not saying it'll be the case, but I'm sticking by it anyway.)


++Legate for Captain

He's said things yet hasn't tripped my radar in any way (yet, at least) so I trust him for now. Besides, I know he's logical and hopefully won't do something stupid if given the power of Captain.


EDIT: x'd with A Little :p

[Roa_Aoife]

Fea

Post 1- has no problem being Captain or NG, but makes no promises about her performance

Post 2- Gets rid of her retractable votes.

(I still don’t see anything suspicious about it.)

Post 3 – Explains to Boromir about her previous posts

Post 4 – explains her reason for not liking retractable votes

(Well, she’s right…)

Post 5- Says she’ll be back after a shower and some food

Post 6 – finds it amusing that people credit her with brilliant scheming when she usually just takes advantage of circumstances, says she wanted to stir up discussion because Day 1’s are boring, thinks anyone who has the village’s best interest at heart will throw away their retractables

(I mostly agree with her, except for the last part, since sometimes a retractable can be used for good.)

Post 7- explains her absence, banters with Valier, criticizes Nienna’s formatting.

(She’s done one major thing that apparently succeeded in purpose- stirring up discussion- but she’s made very little comment on any suspicions or thoughts, and I usually expect more from her. I want to know who she’s going to vote for and why, and she just isn’t delivering. A fea who wants to save the village tends to be aggressive.)

[A Little Green]

I think my Captain vote for the day will be someone I'm interested in seeing what they do with the role, my choices atm are Roa, Legate, Boro or Rune, since all are fairly talkative and it would be interesting to see how they handle it.I might be inclined to vote Boro or Legate for Captain since they both seem innocentish and are clever and active. I've seen too little of Rune in this game to trust him enough to give him power, and Roa I'm hesitant to vote because she is by far the most active player around and I'd be afraid that if she was voted Captain too she'd have a bit more power than I'm comfortable with.

I have no idea about NGs or lynch yet.


EDIT: x-ed with Sally and Roa

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm not sure if I understand this point right. Do you mean that a quiet wolf would be less dangerous if s/he was Captain than if s/he wasn't, or that s/he would be less dangerous as Captain than some other wolf? If so, why? However quiet a wolf, I doubt they would fail to use their Captain's power if given that - and if they do use it, I doubt they'd make it any better for the village.

I meant that if that person simply isn't going to be around, then they can't do any damage. For example, a person who hasn't shown up all day may very well not show up all night, so then they can't do any harm because they aren't there to do it. Make sense?

[Nogrod]

Hey, okay, one more question then. Are we supposed to cast one vote for NG or two votes for NG? I.e. everybody votes for two people? I originally thought that we are supposed to vote just for one person, and simply the two who got the most will become NGs. Or how is it? Nogger?


Also, we must vote for a captain, but unless I'm very much confused, we don't need to vote for NG's.
Actually you have to - as said in the rules (everyone votes for one and the two gaining the most votes will be chosen). :)

[Roa_Aoife]

How do I highlight the text?

[A Little Green]

I meant that if that person simply isn't going to be around, then they can't do any damage. For example, a person who hasn't shown up all day may very well not show up all night, so then they can't do any harm because they aren't there to do it. Make sense?Yep. I misunderstood you - I thought you were talking about less vocal players instead of players who don't turn up at all. Thanks for the clarification.

[Boromir88]

How do I highlight the text?

[ HIGHLIGHT ] text [ /HIGHLIGHT ]

*without the spaces between the brackets

[A Little Green]

++ Legate for Captain

Because he seems sensible and innocentish and has already received a vote. I don't like the idea of spreading the votes too much, especially if someone I'm considering myself has already been voted for. By the way, what happens if there is a tie in Captain votes? Noggers?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Don't make me start flooding with analysis... I'll do it!

*sigh* Something tells me that the wolves are going be deep down undercover this game.

At this point, Rikae, Kath, Greenie, and Lommy have yet to even post. Greenie's a quiet one, fine, but what happened to the others?

I will probably vote someone who isn't here yet for captain. That way, if they are evil, at least they won't have a chance to do serious damage.

And at the moment my top suspect is Boromir. Yes, my points against him are circumstantial, but no one's posting.


So do you actually think that the wolves should be found amongst the silent people or was it just a feeling?

I can see that you fear that the role as captain can damage the village. I know that today we have to elect a captain, but maybe it would be smart to have a talk about wether we want anybody to be in that position of power later on.
Haha, okay, I may as well post what I thought of, because I considered it a brilliant idea and it took me a few seconds to realise that it actually is not much of a help (if you say it just like that). After reading Nienna's post, I thought: "Hmm, Nienna is either an innocent... or a wolf."

Brilliant revelation, isn't it? :) Though you see, even though it seems like stating the obvious, the point is the dynamic behind the thinking. I have concluded that myself, I wasn't told that by the rules. :)

Well anyway, I may as well ask, Nienna, are you innocent?

Legate, you really frustrate me. Your post can make perfect sense and seem quite ordinary for you and then they can really confuse me. I really don't know what to think of it. . .probably slightly suspicous.

There are quite a few ways I can see the wolves playing the Captain thing...ie: Out right ask to be the Captain, or just subtly say they wouldn't mind or the most likely, be really really helpful and make alot of sense, tricking people into voting for you. Which if I was a wolf would probably be the way I would go, lol but just me saying that could be construed as suspisious, but hey it's true. When trying to catch wolves one must think like them.That is the beauty and the curse of the game, people can do almost do what they please and argue that it points towards their innocens.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that an innocent villager would do the exact same thing. If we start lynching people for being helpful, then we lose all the people who are being helpful.

Of course we should not lynch people just because they are being helpful, that would be stupid indeed, but I do think there is some merit to Valiers theory. We should be on the lookout for relatively helpful people, that post a fair amount and seem helpful, but don't produce much. Like if people make very detailed posts about what others have said, but never really conclude anything.
Oi! To sally and Rune. I've actually made it to a Day 1 this time so there. :p

Actually I must admit it's only because Nog put the link on the admin thread which I get emails from ... but never mind! I am here. By the way a 10pm deadline is always a little bit of a rush for me as I tend to forget until the last minute so don't be surprised if you suddenly get a flurry of (and by that I mean my usual 3) posts all in one go at about half 9!

Off for a bit now. Will return later.
Damn, it would have been so funny if you had not turned up on day 1 again, especially in Nogrods game.

EDIT: I Cross posted with everbody since Little Green (My post was deleted so it took me ages to write)

[Boromir88]

Call it a hunch, but I think she'd make a good Night One kill.~sally
Call it a hunch, but I think Val's suspicious...i.e. is a wolf.

and Fea....so we are YOUR lambs are we?~Val
Did you expect Fea to declare "I'm a wolf. HOOWWWWL"...Does this ring a bell Valier?

[Inziladun]

May I ask how it is related? I.e. why would you want to vote Boro as NG, if he seems weird to you?

Simple: he seems a bit different, but not necessarily wolfish. If he's innocent (and I've no reason as of now to think he isn't) he's as good a choice as any.

This merely wasn't for jumping through a hoop for me in answering a question. I've had a very nice read on Inzil's past behavior as a wolf and he's not triggering any wolvish feeling. He's skilled enough to adapt, but I would like him protected.

All right, here you go.

++NG Boro

I want to give Captain a bit more thought.

[Valier]

Did you expect Fea to declare "I'm a wolf. HOOWWWWL"...Does this ring a bell Valier?

It does sound familiar...and I was only mostly joking around. I thought her wording was odd is all.
And may I ask why you think I'm suspisious? Just a hutch? or do you have some reasoning to your hunch?

[Nogrod]

By the way, what happens if there is a tie in Captain votes? Noggers?In case of a draw the first one to gain the votes will be the captain. That goes with the NG's as well...

Sorry. I had totally forgotten to add that to the rules. *goes to do that*

PS. I have already added the point that NG's can't perform their possible gifts during the Night... (as the NG and the BG kind of join forces when their number goes down I had just thought it was clear the same rules applied to both guard-roles - but at least it should be clear now)

[Roa_Aoife]

So do you actually think that the wolves should be found amongst the silent people or was it just a feeling?

I wouldn't be surprised if a wolf decided to hide in the quiet in this village, but it's only a feeling, not any sort of proof. I am trying to comb through everyone and find good reason to lynch someone, but I haven't got much to work with and that frustrates me. As I told Legate, quiet players are my blind spot, so this game feels like I'm shooting in the dark.

But since you're here (and presumably sober), I did find your reasoning for being captain (ie trustworthiness and people skills) to be questionable. Can you clear it up?

I can see that you fear that the role as captain can damage the village. I know that today we have to elect a captain, but maybe it would be smart to have a talk about wether we want anybody to be in that position of power later on.

I was thinking along these lines as well.


Of course we should not lynch people just because they are being helpful, that would be stupid indeed, but I do think there is some merit to Valiers theory. We should be on the lookout for relatively helpful people, that post a fair amount and seem helpful, but don't produce much. Like if people make very detailed posts about what others have said, but never really conclude anything.

Have someone in mind?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Roa- if I had any idea who I was going to vote for, I'd tell you (probably).

I'm almost certain I'm not actually going to be around for today's deadline. Now that I've eaten a meal and a half, I've remembered that Tuesdays are gym days and if I'm going, I won't be back until about an hour after deadline.

So...

Expect an early vote from me, once I decide.

[Roa_Aoife]

++Brinniel for Guard

'Cause if I was a wolf, I'd kill her.

[Nerwen]

You know the basic problem here? Anyone who would make a really good Captain would also make a really good Were-Captain. It's not an easy choice.

However–

++Roa for Captain.

Because she's been making the most sense out of anyone, and isn't giving me wolf-vibes. (I did consider Rune, who wants the job and who I don't think is a wolf, but I believe Roa has better leadership qualities.)

++Guard Kath.

Because 3 out of 5 lupine conferences on Night Two contain the phrase, "I know, let's kill Kath!"

EDIT:X'd since Greenie.

[Valier]

Well I must say I really don't like the power the Captain has. I don't think I want to give Roa or Boro that power today, since they seem quite talkative and seem to have at least some power with their words in that way. So it's either Rune or Legate... not sure yet who. and the NG is still up in the air for me.

[Boromir88]

It does sound familiar...and I was only mostly joking around. I thought her wording was odd is all.
And may I ask why you think I'm suspisious? Just a hutch? or do you have some reasoning to your hunch?

Mostly a hunch, that is a hutchy hunch...Your first post of the day "Oh no! Nog! Wolves!" and in general a light, joking, playful "lol"ing attitude throughout the day. Very bad reasons? Probably. Has anyone had any decent reasons? Maybe Roa, I think I do now.

The problem is no one is suspecting anyone, and mostly the discussion has been either around Fea and me, which has mostly been people selectively defending Fea and me. We need more suspicions than just letting Roa do all the work. Therefor, I conclude. I suspect you on hunchy, poor reasoning.

[Roa_Aoife]

Sally

Post 1- says we should vote her for captain because she doesn’t have time, says she’ll be back later

Post 2- confusion in response to Rune’s post

Post 3- silly response to Boromir’s quote contest

Post 4- List who won’t get her vote and why: Rune-weird, Lottie- new, Hakon- weird, Fea- Fea

(First helpful post, but she doesn’t expand in the idea- she finds Hakon and Rune “weird” but doesn’t try to move on it, and I wonder why not?)

Post 5- accepts Hakon’s explanation, but still thinks it’s weird

(Again, doesn’t try to move forward on her suspicion. Let’s be honest, calling someone weird in this game is a way of saying they’re suspicious without saying they’re suspicious, so why isn’t she looking into it?)

Post 6- Still thinks Hakon’s “weird”

Post 7- Likes Nienna’s summary, thinks I should keep in mind that Kath tends to be quiet, clarifies what we need to vote on.

Post 8- votes Val for guard and Legate for captain

(No word on her suspicions from earlier. What happened?)

And people, I know the captain vote is important, but we are still wolf hunting here.

[A Little Green]

I wouldn't be surprised if a wolf decided to hide in the quiet in this village, but it's only a feeling, not any sort of proof.The interesting thing is that I've never played in a game where a wolf decided to hide in the quiet. According to my experience, if a wolf is quiet, it tends to be because s/he is a quiet player in general, not because s/he thinks hiding in the quiet is a good strategy.


EDIT: x-ed with Boro and Roa

[Roa_Aoife]

Mostly a hunch, that is a hutchy hunch...Your first post of the day "Oh no! Nog! Wolves!" and in general a light, joking, playful "lol"ing attitude throughout the day. Very bad reasons? Probably. Has anyone had any decent reasons? Maybe Roa, I think I do now.

The majority of your first posts were playful and silly.

The problem is no one is suspecting anyone, and mostly the discussion has been either around Fea and me, which has mostly been people selectively defending Fea and me. We need more suspicions than just letting Roa do all the work. Therefor, I conclude. I suspect you on hunchy, poor reasoning.

Then you do some work. *quits* (not really)

At this moment, not only do I suspect Boromir, but I also suspect Hakon (cause his first post was indeed "weird"). I usually like to have a top three, but after this it's all me being mostly irritable in such a quiet place.

[satansaloser2005]

Fair point, Boro. I've been lupine with Val (not in this game, obviously) and I know she's clever but if she's innocent she's a likely kill, at least in my mind.

And I totally forgot Brinn was playing, or I'd have considered her for Night Guarding too. *headdesks*

Yeah, I'm totally busy right now. Cleaning out my desk (because it's dirty, for reference). I'll never be on the thread again. :rolleyes:

[Valier]

well might as well start my decisions.

++Rune for Captain


he seems to me to be the best choice....for today neways, I wanna see how he does.

[A Little Green]

A sidenote: I'll be letting Lommy use the Internet now, which means I probably won't be around in an hour or two. I'll definitely be back, though.


EDIT: x-ed with Roa, Sally and Valier

[Nerwen]

Valier, votes for the Captain and Night Guard have to be highlighted.

[Valier]

how the heck do I hilight? do i just write highlight before and after the name?

Edit: lol never mind I got it

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I wouldn't be surprised if a wolf decided to hide in the quiet in this village, but it's only a feeling, not any sort of proof. I am trying to comb through everyone and find good reason to lynch someone, but I haven't got much to work with and that frustrates me. As I told Legate, quiet players are my blind spot, so this game feels like I'm shooting in the dark.

But since you're here (and presumably sober), I did find your reasoning for being captain (ie trustworthiness and people skills) to be questionable. Can you clear it up?



No I don't think so.

I think I am as capable for this role as anybody else and I actually enjoy being in a possition of power, even if it can make me a bit nervouse.

Personally I think wanting it for fun is just as valid a reason as somebody being a skillful wolf-hunter.

btw, can you vote for your self?

Have someone in mind?
No it was a genneral comment.

So far it is only you and Legate that has said anything that pussled me, I don't have anything based on actual theories of behavior yet.

You know the basic problem here? Anyone who would make a really good Captain would also make a really good Were-Captain. It's not an easy choice.

However–

++Roa for Captain.

Because she's been making the most sense out of anyone, and isn't giving me wolf-vibes. (I did consider Rune, who wants the job and who I don't think is a wolf, but I believe Roa has better leadership qualities.)

++Guard Kath.

Because 3 out of 5 lupine conferences on Night Two contain the phrase, "I know, let's kill Kath!"

EDIT:X'd since Greenie.

I don't like you anymore. . .


Anyways I need to go deliver a suitcase to my sister (she is leaving for Rome) so I cannot stay as long as I thought. It means that I will be voting in a few moments.

[Inziladun]

how the heck do I hilight? do i just write highlight before and after the name?

[ highlight ] TEXT [ /highlight ]

With no spaces.

[satansaloser2005]

how the heck do I hilight? do i just write highlight before and after the name?


You just need the '/' in front of the second 'highlight', Val. That's all. :)

[Roa_Aoife]

Sally, what became of your suspicion of Hakon?

[Nerwen]

At this moment, not only do I suspect Boromir, but I also suspect Hakon (cause his first post was indeed "weird").

Hakon is a bit "weird", though, you know.

EDIT:X'd with Roa.

[Boromir88]

The majority of your first posts were playful and silly.[QUOTE]
But out of Val's first 10 posts I looked at the vast majority of them contained some sort of "lol," laughter joking, and as she just admitted her comment to Legate and to Fea were both mostly joking. A bit excessive amount of playful silliness for my liking.

[QUOTE]Then you do some work. *quits* (not really)
My point is Roa, I'm trying to get you to relax yourself, because we all can't analyse like you, nor do all of us have the time during the day phases to seriously think and analyze everyone.

You're really going to tell me to do it? I have been, I've named the people I like to stay around, and I did it also with my votes. I've also named the people I suspect. You may not like the way I do it, you may not like the fact that I'm not being a careful analyzer, but the fact is I'm doing it, and separate that from you just not liking the way I am doing it.

[Roa_Aoife]

Hakon is a bit "weird", though, you know.

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

No, I don't. Never played with him before. But Nilp was weird too, and it didn't stop him from getting lynched, nor did being a wolf make him less weird.

[Loslote]

Okay, I'm here for like a second...

++ Captain Rune

++ Guard Boro

[Valier]

But I must point out Boro, I AM a bit silly and light hearted, just like you ARE always a bit of an aggressive pain the first day. Which is why today I don't think you are a wolf.

[Inziladun]

Hakon is a bit "weird", though, you know.

He has been known to make strange comments as an innocent. Still, he may get my vote unless something more concrete reveals itself.

[Nerwen]

No, I don't. Never played with him before. But Nilp was weird too, and it didn't stop him from getting lynched, nor did being a wolf make him less weird.

Well, that's true, and he has to be a wolf eventually. I'd have thought, though, that if Hakon were a wolf his packmates would have advised him against doing what he did.

Could be a ploy, I suppose.

EDIT:X'd since Roa.

[Boromir88]

But I must point out Boro, I AM a bit silly and light hearted, just like you ARE always a bit of an aggressive pain the first day. Which is why today I don't think you are a wolf.

Very true. :D

[Roa_Aoife]

My point is Roa, I'm trying to get you to relax yourself, because we all can't analyse like you, nor do all of us have the time during the day phases to seriously think and analyze everyone.

You're really going to tell me to do it? I have been, I've named the people I like to stay around, and I did it also with my votes. I've also named the people I suspect. You may not like the way I do it, you may not like the fact that I'm not being a careful analyzer, but the fact is I'm doing it, and separate that from you just not liking the way I am doing it.

Sorry, I didn't mean that seriously. I am well known for being the analyzer (see sig) and I don't expect anyone to do it like I do. Your votes and posts have made your views quite clear. I have no problem with your methods, even if I don't agree with your reasons.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, I'm here for like a second...

Captain Rune

Guard Boro

Lottie, you need to put two plus signs before your votes or they won't count. Just to let you know. :)

[Roa_Aoife]

Well, I most definitely do not trust Rune enough to make him captain. So

++Legate Captain

Loslote, care to explain?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Valier Guard

[Nogrod]

Lottie, you need to put two plus signs before your votes or they won't count. Just to let you know. :)I will be counting the votes when the intent is clear enough (with the pointing of "captain" & "guard" there should be no doubt as to what she meant). So no problem with those if she is away.

But she should make it the next time (or correct them if still online). Let's stick to rules but let's not stumble on formalities.

Talking of votes as I am... just in courtesy of the mod as I have kept a list of these thus far:

Captaincy:
Boro -> Rune
Sally -> Legate
Greenie -> Legate
Nerwen -> Roa
Valier -> Rune
Loslote -> Rune (3)
Roa -> Legate (3)

NG:
Boro -> Inzil
Sally -> Valier
Inzil -> Boro
Roa -> Brinn
Nerwen -> Kath
Loslote -> Boro (2)
Rune -> Valier (2)

Lynch:
none so far

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Rune Captain

(I know it is bad form to vote for your self, but I really want it)

++Legate

I haven't seen anything truly susppicous, but Legate seemed slightly different from his innocent self and his post often left me confused. (what sense does that make, why does he write that?)

Now I should be back before deadline, but better safe than sorry right?

[Roa_Aoife]

Rune, Valier, Loslote, and Boro seem to have a thing going on.

[Nienna]

Sally vote count?

Edit: haha jk thanks Nog

[Roa_Aoife]

++Rune

Because I'm starting to see a pattern and it alarms me.

What makes anyone think Boro is in danger tonight and should be made NG?

[Nerwen]

I have to go so–

++Lynch Boro.

For making too much of the Fea business... could be an attempt to cast suspicion on an innocent. Or not– this is of course the usual feeble Day One vote. I just don't really know who else to vote, except maybe Hakon, and... well, dodgy as that post of his looked, anyone who played with him in the last game should understand my reservations.

Edit:X'd since Nogrod.

[Nienna]

So I'm thinking of making Legate captain... and Rune's votes bother me... Why again do you really super excitedly want to be captain? I apologize if you've answered this already but... I still haven't got it.

Edit: x-ed with Roa and Nerwen... and bolding

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Roa for Captain

Not like we can't vote her out later if necessary, and she's obviously both active and thorough.

[Valier]

Rune, Valier, Loslote, and Boro seem to have a thing going on. a thing? Not sure I get it. because we have voted the same?

[Roa_Aoife]

I have to dodge out for a bit. I'll be back on in an hour or so.

[Roa_Aoife]

a thing? Not sure I get it. because we have voted the same?

Especially you and Rune, because you voted each other into positions of power, and yes, because you all voted the same.

[Valier]

I think me and Rune voted each other is we have a mutual respect for one another and have not played a game together in a long time and don't want to see the other die....yet. (well that's kinda my reasoning) but my votes are my own and not influenced by others votes.

[Nerwen]

Rune, Valier, Loslote, and Boro seem to have a thing going on.

Are you referring to the voting?

EDIT:X'd with some Valiers and Roas.

[Valier]

++Roa for NG

Because I think we will need her reasoning and analyzing tomorrow and I don't want to see her killed over the night. (though killing her would be silly as a wolf as of yet) but you never know

[Nienna]

Captaincy:
Boro -> Rune
Sally -> Legate
Greenie -> Legate
Nerwen -> Roa
Valier -> Rune
Loslote -> Rune
Roa -> Legate (3)
Rune-> Rune(4)
Fea-> Roa (2)


NG:
Boro -> Inzil
Sally -> Valier
Inzil -> Boro
Roa -> Brinn
Nerwen -> Kath
Loslote -> Boro (2)
Rune -> Valier (2)
Valier-> Roa

Lynch:
Rune-> Legate
Roa-> Rune
Nerwen-> Boro

Votes that are locked in are italicized.

I'm going to need to vote in the next like 15 mins...

Rune? Are you around?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Guard Nienna

++Lynch Hakon

[Loslote]

Sorry, I changed that...

I don't think Rune and Boro are wolves. They're acting slightly suspicious, and in my mind, that doesn't equate to wolf. I would think a wolf, especially on the first day, would act either flamboyantly wolfish to make people think they weren't, or so not wolfish that no one would consider them as a candidate. Neither of them fit those categories.

[Inziladun]

++ Captain Rune

Because it's hard for me to conceive that a wolf would be that obvious.

x/d with Loslote, Nienna, and Fea

[Nienna]

++ Captain Rune

Because it's hard for me to conceive that a wolf would be that obvious.

x/d with Loslote

Maybe that's what he is hoping for... What I can't understand is why he is being so vehement.

[Nienna]

AND just because you don't think he is wolf doesn't mean that he will make a good captain. Bah.

[Inziladun]

Maybe that's what he is hoping for... What I can't understand is why he is being so vehement.

I do find his zealousness strange. Then again, I've never played with him before and it's been said that's just how he is.
He may not be a good Captain, of course. We've no guarantee whoever we choose will be.

x'd with Nienna again

[Thinlómien]

I'm finally here! This has been an incredibly busy day: lecture, making research for essay, work and even now I should be writing the essay instead of playing, but I'll do my best to share my time smartly between the two. ;)

I want to vote as the Captain someone whose judgement I trust. Of the current candidates, it could be Roa or Legate, but not Rune because I disagree with him generally more than with the others and I've seen him being wrong more times than the other two. :p I haven't decided which one to vote, because a vote for Legate would feel sort of safer, but then again, the village could benefit more of Roa's sometimes drastic moves. Anyway, I will try to be active in thinking of electing a new Captain because obviously one person shouldn't have a lot of power for a long time. (In fact, I'm wondering if we should elect a new Captain every Day.) And as a last note, if others would agree with me about making Lady Valier of Incredible Hunches as the Captain, I'd be happy to start a bandwagon... (unless she said she doesn't want to be the Cap...?)

As for NG votes, it does make sense to vote for someone who you don't want to see dead after Night2, but at least I will also consider who would benefit from being able to PM with someone else during the Night and who could be able to use the PMing to the village's advantage, or who should be under some surveillance during the Night too.

Lastly, lynch votes. I don't have much idea, but I was thinking of taking the list of players in front of me and writing what I think about all of them...


edit: xed with two Zils and two Niennas

[satansaloser2005]

++Rune


If nothing else I'm uneasy with someone who's that happy to take power. I think it's possible he's not just a really bold wolf, but either way he squicks me out.

(I'd also be happy with any of the people from my list earlier. Aka Hakon and maybe Fea, though I was mostly kidding about her. Also, Boro's a bit odd but I'm not sure it's a wolfish odd so I'm not going to support a lynch for him toDay.)


Sorry, must dash for a bit. Hopefully more discussion time later.

[Nogrod]

Nienna: your vote count has a flaw. Valier didn't vote Roa for Captaincy but for to be a Night-guard.

[Nienna]

Eek! Sorry. *is fixed*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Rune is perhaps acting strangely, but I don't think it would be wolfish. I think he acts like that more if he is in a kind of "freelance" attitude, which would suit him more if he was innocent.

But there's no rule against voting oneself for Captain? (Or anything else, for that matter?)

Oh, and Fea - if you are around, or later - could you give any reasons for your votes? (Especially the lynch one.)

[Nienna]

As he is being the most suspicious of everyone:

++ Rune

I do not want Rune to be captain... I think today is the most important time for wolves who want to be captain as we have to vote one in that he can be playing very bold in hopes that people would think a wolf wouldn't be so bold.

++Captain Legate

He is seeming innocent for me and making some good points and I really don't want Rune as captain.

++NG Roa

I'd like to keep her around for a while. She's making good posts and analysis and her being able to talk to someone else might be good.

[Kath]

Okey dokes, so I've been running through the thread doing my usual list/analysis etc. Odd for Day 1 I know but with the role stuff it feels like there has been more 'use' toDay than usual so there you go. Anyway I've only got to the top of page 3 so far.

Roa – good idea about limiting the captain pool. No point voting someone in that you think would be good if that person then can’t do it. Happy to be captain. Suspects Rune a little for being too eager. If Rune is being truthful about having been drinking before posting then it would certainly explain that! Questioning Boro about being suspicious of Fea. Says she’ll vote for someone who hasn’t turned up yet for Captain because if they’re evil they won’t do much damage. Odd reasoning. No reason that they won’t turn up later, be evil and mess the village about. Then says maybe she’d vote them for the NGs, I’d think that was more sensible. Top suspect is Boro.

Boro – playing. Likes Rune’s behaviour and would vote him captain. Seems suspicious of Fea because she picked on him for her retracting. Still playing. Has reacted strongly to what’s gone on with Fea. Has given his reasoning. I actually entirely disagree with him as if I was randomly voted for in that way on Day 1 in order that someone rid themselves of retractables I wouldn’t think much of it. Especially as they haven’t actually voted FOR me.

Inzil – takes himself out of the running for captain. Little bit of suspicion of Hakon for saying ‘I’m innocent’.

Valier – puts self in running. Suspicious of Roa but not of Boro or Fea.

Legate – since playing with him in RL I think I just suspect him anyway! But of all the first posts I find this the most ‘obvious’, though any role discussion at the moment should be fair enough really given that they’re new. Disagrees with Nerwen, thinks the wolves would be more subtle about trying to become captain. Depends on the wolves I suppose. Don’t quite understand where he was going with the whole Nienna thing.

Sally – no captaincy for sally. Questions Boro about why Fea’s actions were suspicious. Short list of people she won’t vote for captain, good reasoning. Oh yeah, I was in BED by the time the game started missy so shush. :p

Fea – up for anything … as usual! Gets rid of her retractables. I don’t see any problem with her having chosen Boro. First on the list is a fair reason. Good reasons for the retractable thing I’d say.

Rune – I do wonder why he feels he and Valier are the most obvious choices. I’d say he is too fixated and Valier … actually am I confused? Was it Valier or Valesse that was ridiculously good at spotting wolves? In my head it was Valesse so Valier has no extra edge but I might be back to front.

Loslote – newbie! And I like Lottie as a nickname sally. I think it would be interesting to see a new player as captain actually, seeing how she (?) reads players without prior knowledge of them.

Hakon – puts himself up for captain. Why would it be bad to vote a gifted in by the way? Have I missed something in the rules there? Ooh hate him already. :D No not really, it’s just the secret messages thing, never been a fan.

Nienna – putting herself to rights. List but no thoughts on it.

Nerwen – guesses the quote … right? Good point about taking the Captain thing seriously, but there was still time when she posted to settle into the game. Thinks it’s odd that Fea wanted to get rid of her retractables. I don’t particularly see why. Suspicious of people wanting to be wolves. Nerwen then agrees with Legate.

Gwath – hang on, Gwath the voice of reason? Inconceivable! ( I just recently watched Princess Bride)

Brinn – Brinn’s playing! Warns about limited time and possible non-vote. Good to know early.

Mac – ah our accidental player!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nienna spends too much time in werewolf games dying early, and the only memorable post Hakon has made thus far was bizarre and I'm not sure I have faith that he'll prove useful later on.

[Boromir88]

Sorry, I didn't mean that seriously. I am well known for being the analyzer (see sig) and I don't expect anyone to do it like I do. Your votes and posts have made your views quite clear. I have no problem with your methods, even if I don't agree with your reasons.

The sorry is not necessary, consider it a good thing (if you're not a wolf). I need a bit of "jump start" these days to be in full out Boro-mode, and a good way of doing that is pushing my buttons, letting me get steamed up and passionate. :p

I don't like Nerwen's vote for me. I made too much of the Fea thing? How? Have I jumped up and down, declaring Fea is a wolf because she named me? Have I been excessively saying "Look! Fea's got to be a wolf, because I don't think she picked me randomly!"

I was trying to figure out what she was doing, and her first statement that it was alphetically random didn't convince me. The rest of the day I've been spending defending myself for it, because you, Roa, and Legate have demanded that I answer myself. Had I not said anything at all, I would have been suspected. I answered, because it was demanded, and I'm suspected because now not only because people don't like my answers, but I made too big of a deal out of it? Please explain that.

[Thinlómien]

Fea - seems okay this far, I can sympathise about the retrackies
Nienna - seems quite the same as last game when she was helpful and innocent
Inzil - not giving any kind of vibes
Sally - seems more like her innocent than guilty self, but I have a funny feeling about a thing or two she does so I'll keep an eye on her to see whether it's random or indicates guilt...
Hakon - innocent enough, I'm not sure a wolf would boast of making a good leader
Macalaure - quite quiet - maybe because he's afraid I'll catch him if he posts more? :p anyway, seems ok this far
Kath - her usual self ergo unreadable
Loslote - not enough material to form a proper picture of
Valier - seems quite innocent and I want her to make it until Day2 at least becauseI haven't played with her for ages and I like her!
Greenie - no idea
Nerwen - seems relatively trustworthy for herself
Roa - what I said about Valier + what I said about Kath + we should definitely not start by killing the one who's been creating the most discussion
Lommy - me (surprise ;))
Boro - actually, I'm slightly suspicious of him. Not because everybody else is, but because of the way he reacts to pressure. However, to be honest, I wouldn't want to vote him toDay, because I've been boasting of having a failsafe bororadar so it would be quite a wound to my ego if I voted him on vague suspicions on Day1 and he turned out innocent. (Yes, you can call me stupid now, but at least I'm honest! :D)
Legate - seems rather innocent, but I know better than to trust him. (Do I?)
Gwath - seems ok
Brinn - no idea
Rune - a bit weird, but I have the gut-feeling that he's innocent - unless he's the cobbler and making a mess deliberately, but it feels more like an innocent Rune making mess accidentally

That's like one vague suspect I don't want to vote and 16 no ideas or innocents out of 17. Wonderful.

I hope someone does something very suspicious in the next two hours or I get a brilliant idea.


edit: xed with everybody from Sally onwards

[Valier]

He is seeming innocent for me and making some good points and I really don't want Rune as captain.
You know you don't need to just follow the crowd (which to me it seems your doing) You say that Legate seems innocent to you and has made good points, but so have others.
To me your votes all seem bandwagonish.... all your reasons are what other people have said. Seems to me like a wolf scrambling to vote someone safe.
I've done it before as a wolf on day one. I'm not sure, but I'm getting a bad vibe from you Nienna

[Thinlómien]

++Roa for Captain

Because I just realised that I had mostly been considering Legate innocent for saying he thought Nienna is either innocent or wolf and that he could well have been thinking she kind of looks like a wolf and kind of doesn't even if he was a wolf.

Besides I've trusted Roa's judgement since she killed me-wolf as a hunter. :rolleyes::D

I'm letting Greenie have the internet now. I'll be back!

PS. Nogrod! What if the same person is elected to be both Captain and Night Guard? Will the Night Guard title just pass on to the person with the third most NG votes?


edit: xed with Valier

[Loslote]

From what I've seen of Nienna, it looks like she's making her decisions and then looking for support, rather than looking for support and then making decisions. I'm a bit suspicious of that. If she was a wolf, she might be trying to frame someone and trying to find a reason for it.

[Nogrod]

Oops...

I hadn't thought you would like to both lynch and make a Captain out of a same person. :rolleyes:

How bad of me...

So here's the rule if that kind of situation comes real.

If the same person has been voted as the lynchee and as the Captain, the fate s/he has more votes for will be the decisive factor (eg. whichever decision is called for by more people).

If that person has as many votes to both "positions" the difference between that person and the next one down the line decides the outcome (fex. if people wish to lynch X and the next lynchee is two votes down - and with Captaincy-vote there is only one vote difference to the next contender = lynch, etc.).

If even that is even, then it is the relative number of people voting vs. the support for X to be dealt with either giving a captaincy or lynching (in case not all make all the votes which is possible if not desirable).

If even those numbers are the same it will be decided on which vote was given the last (kind of creates the last minute feeling by those not voting for the person and thus turns them towards the last-voiced vote...

EDIT: The same rules apply to someone being voted the NG and the lynchee...


Heh, I knew I would have to fill in some details...

PS. Nogrod! What if the same person is elected to be both Captain and Night Guard? Will the Night Guard title just pass on to the person with the third most NG votes?The Captaincy takes precedence so we'll just pick the next one from the line to be the NG...

[Thinlómien]

++Valier for Night Guard

Because
1) then she won't die too early to ruining her first game in ages
2) then she can put her good hunches for even better use if she converses about them with some other villager during the Night
3) if she's a wolf I can see her making slips or revealing moves more in private than public discussions

And now that those two votes are out of my way, I can dedicate the rest of my evening to wolf-hunting (after I've handed this to Greenie, that is).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nienna spends too much time in werewolf games dying early, and the only memorable post Hakon has made thus far was bizarre and I'm not sure I have faith that he'll prove useful later on.

Okay, if I am not stealing too much of your time, could you define "bizarre"? Do you mean these secret messages and stuff? Like, do you think it has anything to do with whether somebody is a Wolf?

Anyway. I am probably going to support Nerwen in something, not sure if Captaincy has much sense in her case, maybe NG then. We shall see. In some more general thoughts, Nienna looks okay to me as well. There are few people who are just plain weird, like Rune, but not actually suspicious. Same I could say about Boro or Hakon. Inzil makes me slightly worried, but it's more like a gut feeling. Valier could be something mischievous, but on the other hand, she speaks quite sensibly in many of her posts (the question would be whether it's not calculatively planned). Lommy could be called slightly disturbing as well, the most probably if she and Hakon were wolves or something, but not in any really strong way this far. Many people like Mac have said too little to make me make a better picture of them.

I do not really have a very clear picture of whom to vote for lynching toDay. Like I said already, I may choose to NG somebody who is rather quiet.

[Loslote]

Okay, won't be on again before deadline, so

++ Nienna

for the reasons I gave above.

[Roa_Aoife]

Back!

Loslote, just because you don't think someone is a wolf doesn't mean they should then be captain. Why did you pick those two for captain and NG?

I'm glad to see people are being more vocal with their ideas and suspicions. I t makes me happy.

If we have a captain tomorrow (and I'm not saying we will) I do agree that they should be changed regularly.

I'm going to see what I've missed.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

If we have a captain tomorrow (and I'm not saying we will) I do agree that they should be changed regularly.

I would agree. Although of course, if we stumbled upon some really good foolproof Captain, we could keep him (but that's pure theory, I don't know how it would happen - but maybe if it was to be really late in the game...). I at least think, in contrary to Valier, that we should always have Captain. (Well, let's see how it works, but...) I mean, it's importantly a tool to protect several people from the WWs, so that's a great asset.

[Roa_Aoife]

You know you don't need to just follow the crowd (which to me it seems your doing)

From what I've seen of Nienna, it looks like she's making her decisions and then looking for support, rather than looking for support and then making decisions.

I don't see where this came from. But I don't like how Valier made the statement and Loslote went with it. It may just be newbie jitters, but he(she?) seems intelligent to me, so it gives me pause.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also: Lommy! YAY!

[Macalaure]

The nightguards basically work as village-elected ranger protections, so I think it would make most sense to vote for two people who are likely to be killed during the first night. This means we can rule out Loslote, Valier, and Roa, since they're either new or haven't played in a long time, so it wouldn't be very nice for them to be killed right away. Although there are exceptions, the most common Night2-kills are either trailless (most likely), or with the intention to get rid of a dangerous opponent early. The latter is very difficult to predict for us, without knowledge of the wolves' identity, but the former we have a bit of a chance. Villagers who are mostly unhelpful shouldn't be protected, though - why protect someone who has a fair chance of becoming a problem to us? People who appear trailless to us (though, admittedly, other people might look trailless to the wolves), but are helpful (or promise to become helpful later) should be our guards.

On Day1, I would suggest a similar strategy for the captain, with the most suspicious individuals excepted. We don’t necessarily need the most innocent or most helpful or most talkative person in this role (not yet at any rate). Just someone who knows what he’s doing.

Candidates, in my opinion, are: Inzil, Kath, Gwath, Brinn, and Fea. (Nienna and Sally belong in there, too, but I find them suspicious.)

I'm tending towards Kath for captain, Brinn for guard.

Wolves:
I have barely an idea. My only real opinion of anyone is that Rune is neither wolf nor gifted. A wolf wouldn’t be so obvious, a gifted not so eager to be something special. Cobbler or ordo.
This is the reason, why Sally’s bandwaggon vote on Roa’s vote for him looks suspicious to me. Nienna’s vote looks as bad, and she did several things that make my radar ping badly, but by now I know from experience that that’s what she does when she’s innocent. So Sally ranks higher right now.


I don’t understand why it’s a problem if the same person is captain and lynched. The captain has the power to cancel the lynch, doesn’t he? Problem solved. But if the mod rules it otherwise, ok. ;)

[Valier]

I don't see where this came from. But I don't like how Valier made the statement and Loslote went with it. It may just be newbie jitters, but he(she?) seems intelligent to me, so it gives me pause.

Are you refering to why I thought this of Nienna? If so I just thought that her post #181 was really weird to me and put up my wolfradar a bit.

But I do agree with you Roa as soon as I read Loslote's post about Nienna it made me pause as well.
Perhaps another wolf jumping on my suspision of Nienna to make themselves look good....hmmm not sure, little beep on the wolfradar for Loslote in my books.

[Roa_Aoife]

Captaincy:
Boro -> Rune
Sally -> Legate
Greenie -> Legate
Nerwen -> Roa
Valier -> Rune
Loslote -> Rune
Roa -> Legate
Rune-> Rune
Fea-> Roa
Iniz->Rune(5)
Nienna->Legate (4)
Lommy-> Roa(3)

NG:
Boro -> Inzil
Sally -> Valier
Inzil -> Boro
Roa -> Brinn
Nerwen -> Kath
Loslote -> Boro (2)
Rune -> Valier
Valier-> Roa
Fea-> Nienna
Nienna-> Roa(2)
Lommy-> Valier (3)

Lynch:
Rune-> Legate
Roa-> Rune
Nerwen-> Boro
Fea-> Hakon
Sally-> Rune
Nienna-> Rune (3)
Loslote-> Nienna


Mac, nice to see you. Keep in mind that the cobbler has the power to stop nightly activities, so even if Rune is a cobbler and not a wolf, it's better to get rid of him. It's definitely not a good idea for him to be captain in that case.

[Boromir88]

On one hand people are saying it was a minor issue between Fea and me, but on the other hand, it was blown out to be something major?

Well, I think Rune directly declaring he wants to be a captain, was minor and it's being blown up into something more than what it should be. I hate such vague, slap on words like "odd," "wierd" and "strange" that someone can just label onto anyone.

It's far too easy, and carries around negative baggage because it's so vague.

"Oh Rune's not a wolf, but he's certainly acting odd."

"That's strange Rune, not wolvish, but you'r acting wierd."

What is that even supposed to mean? Do you think the person is a wolf, or are you just not agreeing with the way the person is acting?

Funny, how just because you don't think someone is a wolf doesn't mean the person would be a good Captain. It works both ways, just because you don't think someone should be a Captain, doesn't mean that person is a wolf.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, don't make a night guard, people. I'm too easy to lynch for the wolves to waste a kill on me. Put in someone who's trailless, like Brinn or Kath. Boro doesn't look likely to die either. If he's innocent, then he looks too suspicious to kill. Think about it.

[Macalaure]

Mac, nice to see you. Keep in mind that the cobbler has the power to stop nightly activities, so even if Rune is a cobbler and not a wolf, it's better to get rid of him. It's definitely not a good idea for him to be captain in that case.I haven't played with him in a long time, so I wouldn't vote for him on Day1 just because there's a chance he's the cobbler. I absolutely do not endorse him for captaincy either, though.

[Boromir88]

Also, don't make a night guard, people. I'm too easy to lynch for the wolves to waste a kill on me. Put in someone who's trailless, like Brinn or Kath. Boro doesn't look likely to die either. If he's innocent, then he looks too suspicious to kill. Think about it.

I might look suspicious, but I challenge any of the wolves to try to lynch me. If they actually succeed I will make them cost for it dearly. Anyway, I agree, don't NG me tonight.

[Roa_Aoife]

On one hand people are saying it was a minor issue between Fea and me, but on the other hand, it was blown out to be something major?

Well, I think Rune directly declaring he wants to be a captain, was minor and it's being blown up into something more than what it should be. I hate such vague, slap on words like "odd," "wierd" and "strange" that someone can just label onto anyone.

It's far too easy, and carries around negative baggage because it's so vague.

"Oh Rune's not a wolf, but he's certainly acting odd."

"That's strange Rune, not wolvish, but you'r acting wierd."

What is that even supposed to mean? Do you think the person is a wolf, or are you just not agreeing with the way the person is acting?

Funny, how just because you don't think someone is a wolf doesn't mean the person would be a good Captain. It works both ways, just because you don't think someone should be a Captain, doesn't mean that person is a wolf.

I agree with you. "Weird," "strange," and "odd," are all just words for suspicious. I find Rune suspicious. I think he and his fellow wolves are pulling something to get themselves all into protected positions. I think his ploy for captain is suspicious. I think that just because it's obvious doesn't mean a wolf wouldn't try it. And I think that because it's so obvious, a wolf might.

[Roa_Aoife]

I might look suspicious, but I challenge any of the wolves to try to lynch me. If they actually succeed I will make them cost for it dearly. Anyway, I agree, don't NG me tonight.

Wow, really? Are you trying to pull the "I'm hinting at being a gifted so don't lynch me" ploy for real? And if you are that gifted, isn't it better for us to lynch you so you can do your job?

[Valier]

Wow, really? Are you trying to pull the "I'm hinting at being a gifted so don't lynch me" ploy for real? And if you are that gifted, isn't it better for us to lynch you so you can do your job?

wow Roa you read my mind almost exactly...scary:p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I agree with you. "Weird," "strange," and "odd," are all just words for suspicious. I find Rune suspicious. I think he and his fellow wolves are pulling something to get themselves all into protected positions. I think his ploy for captain is suspicious. I think that just because it's obvious doesn't mean a wolf wouldn't try it. And I think that because it's so obvious, a wolf might.

Interesting, I actually thought the ploy for Captain is just something that doesn't really have anything to do with being, not being, seeming or not seeming suspicious. I think it would fit Rune - an innocent Rune - to do that. Or a Cobbler Rune, for that matter. That would be likely, for example. But I do not think he would act the way he does if he was a Wolf. He's really vocal in a weird way (ha, again that word, but it really describes it. And no, I disagree, it's not just a word for "suspicous". Suspicious, at least here, means that I suspect him of something evil, i.e. of being a Wolf, but I don't. He's just weird, but obviously not weird to make me consider lynch him), that's not normal for Rune, but not even for a Wolf Rune, I would think. (Though I can't remember when I have last seen one.) I am not going to vote him for a Captain, though.

EDIT: x-ed since the quoted post

[Boromir88]

I agree with you. "Weird," "strange," and "odd," are all just words for suspicious. I find Rune suspicious. I think he and his fellow wolves are pulling something to get themselves all into protected positions. I think his ploy for captain is suspicious. I think that just because it's obvious doesn't mean a wolf wouldn't try it. And I think that because it's so obvious, a wolf might.

And I realize, I should have been more clear about who I was speaking towards too. I was directing my comments towards sally, Lommy, Nienna, and Kath.

However, you should consider (take this as me defending Rune...that's what it is) Rune's behavior. He does like positions of power, period, and he likes to be voted into them. He said the same exact speech in Fea's Republic game, campaigning to be a representative. If I recall, he was highly supportive of morm on Day 1 in that game, because of shared sense of connection/history/whatever you want to call it. I don't know if it's the same reasoning with Valier, but you know that wolves aren't the only ones with reasons to be openly supportive of eachother. In fact, the question is would a wolf-Rune and a wolf-Valier be so up-front about it on Day 1?

Perhaps, but such conspiracy theories about who's together with whom are very premature at this point. You shouldn't let suspicions against Rune dictate who else you find suspicious, and then use that as further reason to suspect Rune, because we don't know Rune's or anyone else's, role yet.

[A Little Green]

Ok, I'm back, and it seems I have a bit over half an hour to decide who I want to vote for lynch. :eek:

It won't be: (a.k.a. people I feel good about or have other reasons for not voting)
Fea - Nothing against her.
Nienna - Very sharp and seems innocent - I might vote to make her a Guard.
Macalaure - I like his reasoning, seems innocent, might vote for a Guard.
Kath - I don't pretend I can read her but she feels okay. Might vote for a Guard.
Loslote - Gets the benefit of doubt for being new, I might have a closer look at her toMorrow since her jump on Valier's suspicion of Nienna did look fishy.
Greenie - Obviously. :p
Nerwen - Another sensible player who seems innocent this far.
Roa - Way too helpful to be rid of on Day 1 with no reason!
Lommy - Seems nice and cuddly and innocent. I wonder, actually, if she's being a bit too cuddly, but consent to keeping an eye on her.
Boro - He, too, seems innocent and contributes.
Brinn - I know I'm rubbish at reading her but she seems genuine.
Rune - I agree with Mac in that he's most likely innocent or cobbler. Not worth a lynch vote, therefore.

Which leaves:
Valier - Quite frankly I have no idea.
Inzil - Same thing.
Sally - I'm really not sure. I didn't like her vote, it seemed so easy. On the other hand, I fear this may be just the basic Day 1 vague bad feeling thing that ends up in a disaster.
Hakon - His desire to become Captain was odd - I'm just wondering if it's a wolf being a bit too straightforward with his aims, a wolf who's attempting a ploy or an innocent who genuinely thinks he'd make a good Captain. Or a cobbler trying to provoke people by behaving oddly? Dunno.
Gwath - No idea.


EDIT: x-ed with a horde

[Kath]

Hey Nog the 'Downs has just been out of action the last 10/15 minutes. Do we get the extra time back or must I throw my votes in now?

[Hakon]

I just got home. I am going to start reading then I will vote.

[Nogrod]

Hey Nog the 'Downs has just been out of action the last 10/15 minutes. Do we get the extra time back or must I throw my votes in now?Okay the time is quite nasty for me (0.25AM with an early morning call) but I'd say you get 15 minutes extra toDay, so

the DL is 10.15PM GMT - fifty minutes from now...

[Macalaure]

The Downs are back, but the Downers aren't? Ah, well. Let's get the following out of the way:

++Captain Kath

++Guard Brinn

[Nogrod]

Day1 votes thus far.

Captaincy:
Boro -> Rune
Sally -> Legate
Greenie -> Legate
Nerwen -> Roa
Valier -> Rune
Loslote -> Rune
Roa -> Legate
Rune -> Rune
Fea -> Roa
Inzil -> Rune (5)
Nienna -> Legate (4)
Lommy -> Roa (3)
Mac -> Kath

Five votes left...

NG:
Boro -> Inzil
Sally -> Valier
Inzil -> Boro
Roa -> Brinn
Nerwen -> Kath
Loslote -> Boro (2)
Rune -> Valier
Valier -> Roa
Fea -> Nienna
Nienna -> Roa (2)
Lommy -> Valier (3)
Mac -> Brinn (2)

Six votes left...

Lynch:
Rune -> Legate
Roa -> Rune
Nerwen -> Boro
Fea -> Hakon
Sally -> Rune
Nienna -> Rune (3)
Loslote -> Nienna

Eleven votes left...

[A Little Green]

++Hakon

Because of the two I considered voting (a.k.a. him and Sally) he's the one who has already received a vote and I don't want Rune to die. I don't think he is a werewolf.

PS. It seems I forgot Legate from my list. :o He is in the not to be lynched -category, obviously, since I voted him for Captaincy and all.

[Valier]

Hmmm the site seems to be having problems, so I don't want to risk not voting uncase it goes down again.

++Loslote for Lynch

Not sure if I was supposed to just bold that or highlight...

I was leaning towards Nienna but Loslotes actions seem more warranted for my vote today. I will have my radar on towards one or both tomorrow.

I'll still be here till the DL as long as the Downs is:p

[Inziladun]

Hey Nog the 'Downs has just been out of action the last 10/15 minutes. Do we get the extra time back or must I throw my votes in now?

Glad to see it's not just my internet.
Admittedly, I don't have much in the way of good lynch candidates.
I need to vote while I can.

++ Lynch Hakon

He can't be just an unusual innocent every time, and I have no better leads at this point.

[A Little Green]

I'll be leaving now and let Lommy use the computer until DL. It seems Rune is on the lead at both lynch- and Captain votes. Interesting.


EDIT: x-ed with Valier and Inziladun

[Boromir88]

Wow, really? Are you trying to pull the "I'm hinting at being a gifted so don't lynch me" ploy for real? And if you are that gifted, isn't it better for us to lynch you so you can do your job?

No. I'm stating fact. It's always easiest for wolves to kill me at night. I would have Agan vouch for that, but she's not here, so maybe Greenie? Who, despite winning last as a wolf, wished the wolves killed me, because I'm less of a thorn. 1. I'm a pain and 2. it's near impossible to lynch me, even when I am looking suspicious and 3. if I am lynched, there is a grave cost to anyone who is involved in it.

[Macalaure]

Rune for captain, I'm not sure about that. Legate or Roa aren't my ideal choices either, but ok.
Valier or Roa for guard is a bad idea, since they are most likely not targets anyway. Boro is not much better. Out of the people who have guard-votes, I'd prefer Brinn, Kath, or Inzil.
Rune for lynch is a bad idea, too. Hakon, well, not sure how suspicious he is, but he hasn't been helpful so far, so it would at least not be the worst loss.

Not too happy with your choices so far, village.

[Roa_Aoife]

Sorry, I was interrupted by children selling wrapping paper.

I think we really need to use our votes for NG to protect the probable kill choices. Brinn, Kath, and Gwath.

Who has yet to vote?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I hope the 'downs will work now. Okay, I do not feel really good with making Rune a Captain, but I am not comfortable at all with lynching him, either. The other options presented this far are not much better either. Hakon, Boro, Nienna, Loslote... is this Loslote's first game? I would not like to get her lynched in that case.

As for NG, now I think I might choose possibly Brinn or Roa.

[Kath]

Erm, I'm a little confused Nog sorry. Your post was timestamped 10:25 so 15 or 50 minutes on from then?

Anyway here's the rest of toDay looked at (in far less detail due to the 'Downs misbehaving) along with a vote summary. I need to get to bed soon so I'll vote after I've posted this.

Legate – I actually really like his reasoning for making quiet people NGs. It is a good way to get them more involved.

Boro – er, I’m not sure. Basically ‘vote your top suspect’, which is fine if obvious, but not always feasible if voting your top suspect becomes utterly pointless if other people already have three votes and no one else suspects your suspect. Thinks Valier suspicious. Haha! A cross role hint! I was wondering how long it would take to get one of those. :D

Nienna – does even longer lists than me!

Inzil – suspects Hakon a bit for saying why he should be captain (I presume he means the innocent bit).

Nerwen – little bit suspicious of Rune for gunning for captain. Suspicious of Fea for not being aggressive enough.

Greenie – same thoughts as me about making a quiet person captain.

Roa – a no show during the Day might be a no show during the Night and thus could do no damage. Ok, I see her point.

Valier – getting a bad vibe from Nienna.

By the way Rune I know! I was planning on keeping a very close eye out for the start of the game given that it is Nog’s. I think I made my missing Day 1 case well while I was there but I thought I should try even harder than usual not to do it!

Aha votes! So:

Captain:
Boro --> Rune
Sally --> Legate
Greenie --> Legate
Nerwen --> Roa
Valier --> Rune
Lottie --> Rune
Roa --> Legate
Rune --> Rune
Fea --> Roa
Inzil --> Rune
Nienna --> Legate
Lommy --> Roa
Mac --> Kath

NG
Boro --> Inzil
Sally --> Valier
Inzil --> Boro
Roa --> Brinniel
Nerwen --> Kath
Lottie --> Boro
Rune --> Valier
Valier --> Roa
Fea --> Nienna
Nienna --> Roa
Lommy --> Valier
Mac --> Brinn

Lynch
Rune --> Legate
Roa --> Rune
Nerwen --> Boro
Fea --> Hakon
Sally --> Rune
Nienna --> Rune
Lottie --> Nienna
Greenie --> Hakon

[Nogrod]

Not sure if I was supposed to just bold that or highlight...
Only bold the lynch vote (so it stays white) and highligt the election-votes (Captain & the NG).

It's easier to look for them from the thread in case of need...

I have counted your vote already but you should change that just to be nice... :)

[Hakon]

I have read most of the posts. I do not have any solid suspicions although I don't like how Rune is getting so many votes for captain so easily. So yes he is my lynch vote.

++Rune

++Captain Legate

It is either Rune, him or Roa. Something is off about Roa. It is not a gut feeling it is more just how she responded to that Boro and Fea thing earlier.

++Guard Brinn

Needed to vote for someone here and she seems the best choice after Boro who does not wanted to be guarded.

[Roa_Aoife]

Not too happy with your choices so far, village.

Then be around tomorrow to help form them.

Surely, someone looks suspicious to you.

[Nogrod]

Erm, I'm a little confused Nog sorry. Your post was timestamped 10:25 so 15 or 50 minutes on from then?You still have a half an hour exactly now... (well 28 minutes...)

You Brits never learn that with the Daylight-savings your time is not the GMT but GMT+1... (it's a deja-vu -experience...)

Old imperialistic load that is? :D

[Valier]

I would really hate to see Rune lynched today....how many voters left?

[Boromir88]

I would really hate to see Rune lynched today....how many voters left?

I wouldn't either, but may I ask why you would "really hate" it? Mac too for that matter?

[Valier]

I wouldn't either, but may I ask why you would "really hate" it?

Simply because I like him and haven't played a game with him in aaaaages, so yes I would hate to see him get lynched the first day.

[Roa_Aoife]

I expect we'll see a rush of votes in the next few minutes. This could really go in any direction.

[Kath]

Cross posted since Greenie's vote.

Anyway:

++ROA for Captain

I think Roa is a good candidate. She is clearly around, engaged and looks to be playing well. I think she's a good first choice.

++ BRINN for Guard

It's been too long since I've played with her properly and I don't want to see her gone so early.

++ VALIER

I would rather not vote for her because it is her first game in a while but at the moment I don't like the way she is acting. She has just voted for a newbie who hasn't seemed suspicious to me so far and seems to have jumped onto suspicion of Lottie overly quickly. So far as I can work out, she is suspecting Lottie because she is following other people's suspicions rather than coming up with her own. Yet Valier wasn't suspicious of Lottie until Roa brought it up. So it just seems fishy to me.

Right, posting this, will check everything is highlighted and/or bolded correctly and will then disappear.

[Valier]

Captain:
Boro --> Rune
Sally --> Legate
Greenie --> Legate
Nerwen --> Roa
Valier --> Rune
Lottie --> Rune
Roa --> Legate
Rune --> Rune
Fea --> Roa
Inzil --> Rune
Nienna --> Legate
Lommy --> Roa
Mac --> Kath
Hakon-->Legate
Kath--> Roa
3 left

NG
Boro --> Inzil
Sally --> Valier
Inzil --> Boro
Roa --> Brinniel
Nerwen --> Kath
Lottie --> Boro
Rune --> Valier
Valier --> Roa
Fea --> Nienna
Nienna --> Roa
Lommy --> Valier
Mac --> Brinn
Hakon-->Brinn
Kath--> Brinn
4 left

Lynch
Rune --> Legate
Roa --> Rune
Nerwen --> Boro
Fea --> Hakon
Sally --> Rune
Nienna --> Rune
Lottie --> Nienna
Greenie --> Hakon
Hakon--> Rune
Valier--> Loslote
Kath--> Valier
7 left

[Macalaure]

Then be around tomorrow to help form them.Nah, I prefer leaning back idly and complaining. :p
But seriously, 6 pages on Day1 is too exhausting and tiresome... :rolleyes:

I wouldn't either, but may I ask why you would "really hate" it? Mac too for that matter?Because I don't think he's a wolf and I haven't played with him in a while.

[Kath]

Oh and Nog - I just forget when we're actually IN daylight savings time!

[Thinlómien]

Nog, can you reply my question in #190?

One more thing about the NG votes - why is everybody thinking we should protect probable targets? To confuse wolves? The wolves know who we have protected by making them night guards, so in my opinion it doesn't have that much importance who's a probable kill and who's not (someone's gonna die anyway) but rather who we don't want to see dead and who we don't mind losing (err, sounds nasty, I know) and about whom we want to give the right to PM with someone else to.

I'm rather confused as for who to vote. Boro seems really rather unlike his normal ordo self. He has sort of hinted being gifted and there are so many of them in this game that it wouldn't matter anyway, so I can say that to me he seems like either gifted or wolf. I'm slightly confused on the matter, so I'd like to keep him around until toMorrow, because I also believe that a little more debate and controversy around him is going to be useful later on when (if?) he's dead.

I'm not too happy with the lynch candidates. Rune is most likely an ordo and Hakon hasn't done anything to merit lynching. He seems like a cannon fodder ordo to me. I've already stated why I wouldn't like to vote Boro yet and Nienna and Legate strike me as rather innocent.

Time to have another (quick) look at Sally, I guess.


edit: xed since 226

[Macalaure]

Can we retract our captain and nightguard votes, too, by the way? Not meaning to start a discussion, just asking for a quick word from the mod.

[Thinlómien]

I don't like Kath's vote for Valier, it seems forcedly reasonable.

Then again, that's kind of understandable.

But then again again, I really wouldn't mind voting her even as innocent because she so totally fooled me in Brinn's game.

:rolleyes::D


edit: xed with Mac

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

One more thing about the NG votes - why is everybody thinking we should protect probable targets? To confuse wolves? The wolves know who we have protected by making them night guards, so in my opinion it doesn't have that much importance who's a probable kill and who's not (someone's gonna die anyway) but rather who we don't want to see dead and who we don't mind losing (err, sounds nasty, I know) and about whom we want to give the right to PM with someone else to.
But the last thing you said is also a reason - I said it before already - that the "quiet ones" will also be forced to PM. Which will make them do something, as the village's going to ask them "what have you been doing all Night" anyway.

Can we retract our captain and nightguard votes, too, by the way? Not meaning to start a discussion, just asking for a quick word from the mod.

Yes, we can!!! (sorry, couldn't resist) Though it counts to the retractable total (2).

[Nogrod]

Nog, can you reply my question in #190?Your #190 is as follows...

++Valier for Night Guard

Because
1) then she won't die too early to ruining her first game in ages
2) then she can put her good hunches for even better use if she converses about them with some other villager during the Night
3) if she's a wolf I can see her making slips or revealing moves more in private than public discussions

And now that those two votes are out of my way, I can dedicate the rest of my evening to wolf-hunting (after I've handed this to Greenie, that is).SO what is the question? I answered one question by you, I think but don't have time to chack what it was.

Can we retract our captain and nightguard votes, too, by the way?
I think I answered this as well... two votes can be retracted. YOu choose which ones...

And some have asked can you vote yourself (in any voting). In democracy you can vote yourself so that's perfectly fine.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't like Kath's vote for Valier, it seems forcedly reasonable.

Personally I think it's okay. I have somewhat positive feeling of Kath. (But should I be alarmed, as thus far I was never ever able to get a reading of her?) Though personally I would not like to vote for Valier either - as I said above, not now on first Day when she's playing after such a long time.

[Boromir88]

++Lynch Lommy

Because I'm not acting any differently than my normal ordo self, at least I haven't in my own head, besides being probably more migraine-causing instead of a common headache. So, why has your Boro-radar come up differently? Time to take it to the shop.

Also, she keeps restating my suspiciousness, yet not wanting to lynch me...her last post was I think the 3rd time in the last hour. Sorry Loms that's not looking like normal flip-flopping, what are you trying to gain from repeatedly stating not lynching me today but still not being my normal innocent self?

[Macalaure]

--Kath for Captain

I will either vote Roa or Legate later.

--Brinn for Guard

Since her election seems to be secured.

++Kath for Guard

I think I will vote (edit: lynch-vote, I mean) for Hakon, though I'm not happy about it. If Sally or Nienna gain some support, I could vote for them more happily.

[Thinlómien]

Oops Nogs, I meant some other post, the question was: what if the same person is elected both captain and NG? does the ng title go to the person with second most ng votes?

I had a look at Sally and she really didn't seem too suspicious, except that she was uncharacteristically serious in her few last posts. Hmmm.

*quite lost on whom to vote*


edit: some x-ing

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

++Lynch Lommy

Well ACTUALLY...

This had crossed my mind, but I would not probably thought of doing it unless I saw this. Why not! Could be the best suspect of all those who appeared as candidates yet.

Because... there is something weird about her toDay. And by weird, I indeed mean suspicious.

[Boromir88]

Why is sally always the last minute band-wagon target when no one can come up with something they find suspicious? :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Gosh, who's for NG then? If Brinn is secure, I might try to vote for somebody for the second place... will check... then vote...

[Nogrod]

Lommy: Captaincy takes precedence... so the next one will be chosen as the NG.

[Thinlómien]

Maybe I just like talking about you Boro? :p

As for lynching me, I'm obviously against it but can't say much else as long as all the points against me are that I'm weird. I guess I can only say that getting lynched would solve my timetable problems but make me unhappy!


edit: xed with the last two

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

As for lynching me, I'm obviously against it but can't say much else as long as all the points against me are that I'm weird. I guess I can only say that getting lynched would solve my timetable problems but make me unhappy!

What does one call that in English? Emotional blackmailing? Probably not. You know what I mean.


++NG Nienna

Last decision coming...