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alonariel
01-16-2010, 10:56 PM
Listen, I hardly expect you to listen to me, but perhaps you should reconsider that choice, Shasta. You never know. Alona may have insight you hadn't previously thought of. (Of course the same is also true in the other direction, I'd suspect.)

In other news, yes, Alona, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Shasta. And I'm looking forward to your list!

Either of you have anything you'd like to discuss currently?

:rolleyes::)

Well my list goes into some detail about Rikae's kill, but I'd like to know your gut feeling about it, Sally - without revealing too much of course.

Inziladun
01-16-2010, 11:11 PM
Well, it was a bloody strike-out with Lottie, but the Seer and Ranger are still standing, and our Sally-seer says there's hope.

As a matter of fact I might have. However....

Since toDay may be my last Day -again- I'd like to leave you lot a bit of something to chew on. That being said, I will reveal my dream(s) at the end of the Day. With the information I have (or even without it) we've nearly a 50/50 chance of lynching a wolf, which will greatly increase our chances of winning. What I'd like from everyone is a plain and clear suspicion list with as much reasoning as possible for your choices. Anything you can give will help the cause, and I'd love to hear from each player before mid-Day if possible. Mehbe?

Going to keep us in the dark again? :rolleyes:
Actually, I can see the sense of it.

Let's see...

alona: What I mainly have noted is that odd comment to Rikae about being 'on the same side'. Rikae is now known to be innocent, so I'm not sure if that makes her look better or worse. I can't say I'm comfortable with her, though.

Wilwa: A tough one. Seems all right, mostly. She seemed rather fixated on the PM-Pal issues for a long time, which I found rather pointless. Then again Sally also got into that act as well.

Izzy: Pretty much under the radar. In my limited experience with her I tend to want to suspect her on principle, but I haven't seen anything of note yet here.

Nog: Hasn't been around all that much, and has been fairly intently focused on alona, and to a lesser extent, Rikae. I tend to want to trust him, but he seems a little off this time somehow. Maybe it's just his relatively limited presence this time, which may be due to RL reasons.

Shasta: Shady. Hasn't been around much at all, and I'm hard pressed to remember things he's said. He did make an interesting statement:

I probably won't vote Wilwa as a matter of fact, considering she's been the main voice of trying to get people re-interested. I may just have to pull out my Magic 8... uh.... I mean, my crystal ball. Yeah, that's it.

At the time I thought that last bit could be a clue to his being the Seer, or a wolf trying to give that impression. Since it's pretty clear who the Seer is at this point, that leaves the latter as my suspicion.

Lari: Pm-Pal. We've talked a fair amount, but I haven't gotten any bad feelings from her.

alonariel
01-16-2010, 11:15 PM
I think I'm getting the hang of these list things:

Nog: He is the one I'm most suspicious of at this point. He jumped on Rikae's comment out of nowhere, which seemed odd. I can sort of (a little) understand Rikae's suspicion, but his right after? Then thinking if I'm a wolf, she could be one, too. And now she's dead. This could be a frame up of me or him, but then, from what I've heard, he is experienced enough to know how to lay a good trap. "It's so obvious that it can't be him, Rikae voted for him" kind of thing. Maybe, but he's at the top of my list right now, putting aside the fact that he's voted for me two Days in a row now.

Inzil: Really, the only suspicion I have of him is Lottie's Day 1 suspicion of him. Now that we know she's innocent (and dead), that might be grounds to look further in to him. But then, I've never played with him so I don't know his style and I don't have any grounded suspicions of my own at this point.

Shasta: He's been flying very far under the radar, which concerns me because in RL WW he didn't at all, whether he was gifted/ordo/wolf. Sally alludes in her post that the Ranger is a girl, so that rules him out as being gifted in this game…at this point, my gut says wolf but it's not based on anything more than the feeling that he isn't being himself, which means he has something to hide...

Izzy: Honestly no idea about her. I've never played with her before, so I'm not familiar with her style and she hasn't been too quiet but not too vocal, either. She hasn't picked a bone with anyone, but she hasn't been overly helpful. I really don't know where she falls on the innocent/evil radar at this point.

Wilwa: Like I stated in my previous post, I don't think she's gifted or evil, just getting nice helpful vibes for her. She didn't jump to conclusions the day before and seems very innocent to me.

Lari: I'm good at reading her and vice versa. Pretty darn sure she's innocent. If it weren't Day 3 and the situation so dire, I would post a rather amusing conversation I had with her the other night about a scenario in which I'm gifted and she's a wolf and vice versa.

alonariel
01-16-2010, 11:33 PM
Sally, did you interweb disintegrate on you again?

satansaloser2005
01-16-2010, 11:43 PM
Well my list goes into some detail about Rikae's kill, but I'd like to know your gut feeling about it, Sally - without revealing too much of course.

Sally, did you interweb disintegrate on you again?

Abigail's battery's about dead. I'm refreshing the thread then going to charge her and finish my analysis of Nog. Assuming I don't fall asleep I'll be back in about half an hour or so (hopefully less).

satansaloser2005
01-16-2010, 11:44 PM
Also, about Rikae. She wasn't much suspected and an unsuspected Rikae is a dangerous Rikae, as people might actually listen to her. Dunno.

It's possible they thought she was the ranger, but I don't think that was the case.


Speaking of the ranger....*bats eyelashes*:Merisu:

alonariel
01-16-2010, 11:48 PM
Speaking of the ranger....*bats eyelashes*:Merisu:

??

I'm looking forward to the Nog analysis, though I do feel slightly guilty about suspecting him so much while he's not here to defend himself. Still have some leftover newbie guilt from the last game. Ugh. Gotta get rid of it.

Inziladun
01-16-2010, 11:58 PM
Also. Ranger. I need some sort of way of knowing whether or not you protected me last Night. I'm clever, so are you. You'll think of something.

I had a thought, Sally. Are you sure that's really wise? Isn't there a possibility the wolves could pick up on it, no matter how slyly it's done?

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 12:10 AM
I had a thought, Sally. Are you sure that's really wise? Isn't there a possibility the wolves could pick up on it, no matter how slyly it's done?

Hush now, I know what I'm doing. Although unless it's done properly, yes. And of course if the ranger doesn't tell me anything they don't. I'd just like an idea of whether I'm going to live or not so I know whether to go out with a bang. ;)



So I just plugged Abigail in here and decided to camp out on the couch, at least for now. Almost done with Nog and it's not looking too bright.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 12:45 AM
What a day - and what a Day!

So I only got to the computer now and will have to wake up in about six hours... Well there's not too much to read either. But sadly also little to make a vote on. I must think about it while checking my stuff for tomorrow.

About revealing the pen-pals... hmm. Hard to say as there seems to be no immediate pros or cons: it might help the wolves planning their kills but it might also help us with some possible combinations I think. Needs some thinking as well.

Back soon.

Obviously not a lot to say here. He, like the rest of us, noticed the rather horrid lack of participation on Day One. He didn’t see much point in revealing the lovers (which I’ll get back to later) but says it may help us work out some logistics of the game. Doesn’t make up his mind on the issue and leaves.

Post score: 0



We're flying blind both ways, here and with our PM Pals.
That's the problem. There can be things we can try and learn about our pen pals as the game goes on but at least now it's probably quite futile. And if we reveal all the pen pals right now it might affect the way the wolves communicate via PM's - and not for the more "readable" direction - well saying this out aloud might have a similar kind of effect as well now as I think of it.

Anyone can be paired with anyone. I think I can say that, since I asked Gwath about it.

That's good to hear. And a good point on why that also needs to be true there Rikae.

Okay. I need to go to sleep. This was a bad Day from me but no can do.

So what to say?

I think Rikae, Inzil and Wilwa are trying to do something which makes me appreciate them and I'm not going to vote anyone of them.

Also I agree on Izzy's earlier point about alona, Sally and Glirdy just complaining the lack of posts and then disappearing without actually trying to do anything to the issue themselves. That is a tactics I tend to always suspect and disapprove of.

Lottie's song would be the classic wolf-opening: "I'm a wolf, I'm a wolf! - heh, only joking..."

Voting this early puts me in no position to vote for someone who has not yet appeared.

A tough call then.

Says that while we might be able to use lovers as a tactical advantage it’s too early in the game to put them to any use. A fair point, and one I would normally agree with completely (and in fact did at the time, as you’ll note).

However, the good things I have to say about this post stop there.

It seems to me he’s giving the people in his first list a free pass simply because he knows they’re trying to make him happy. He knows they’re trying to butter up, and he buys it without batting an eyelash or an orange. Such logic can be deadly in Werewolf.

Of his second list I see parroting, and the sort of parroting I majorly disapprove of. First of all, notice that two of the three of his ‘suspects’ are known innocents. Known innocents! Of course they weren’t at the time of his posting but still. And I, at least, was legitimately busy and said so, yet he finds fault with the posts of those who have nothing to reply to? Rubbish, I say. You disapprove of our ‘lack of posts’ tactic, I disapprove of your shoddy logic. (I’ve more to say on this but will leave it for now.)

Post score: -3. Yes, -3. This disturbs me greatly. Although I’ll give him a cookie for the lovers discussion so we’ll call it -2.



I don't remember I have made as non-grounded decision as this is ever on werewolf.

I'm not saying Rikae, Inzil & Wilwa are innocents. Probably at least one of them is a wolf (that's just even statistically quite so). But as they clearly play I wouldn't like to see them gone toDay.

For a moment I thought I would not vote at all but as I have shown my contempt for such solutions in earlier games I think I have no other choice but to vote.

So just guts.

++ alona

Yeah alona, I feel like a jerk. In the last game you promised to stand by my side whatever came... and this is how I pay you back.

I hope that you'll manage to get that much discussion going on later toDay that you can use at least some reasoning behind the votes when the Day closes.


And of course now he retracts his earlier statement, or at least clarifies. He doesn’t trust all these people, he just doesn’t think they should die that Day. Completely different! (It actually is, of course, but I’ve never known Nog to be much of a flopper, so it looks like he’s setting himself up to say ‘I told you so’ if one of them does turn out to be a [fellow?] wolf. Also, he’s putting people posting over the odds of them being guilty. Not a fan.)

And then he votes on nothing. Nothing, and he even admits it. Also, I’ve never known Nog to be so apologetic when he votes someone. Sounds a bit like he feels bad that he has to send the innocent Alona to her grave in order to make sure the game goes his way.

Post score: -1. I feel merciful.






Finally back home and read the thread. The last posts by Sally... hmm. Back in a minute.

Nothing. And of course....

Post score: 0




As looks quite obvious Sally was the target last Night and was saved by the ranger (decent work ranger as we lost two on D1 - so kind of evens our double loss).

Also it looks to me quite obvious Sally dreamt of Glirdy on N1 - as agreed, the seer would like to know her pal first if he is to be trusted to play together - and thus her panic in the end of the Day.

Furthermore I see no reason to doubt Sally's reveal. And I'll bet she will eventually come back with the one known person to her she must have. But nice drama there at exit to be sure!


Now what makes me wonder is that Lottie was actually quite inquisitive about Sally's panic in the end of yesterDay. And even if her speculations ended up more or less thinking Sally innocent she wished to hear my views on possible explanations of her gifted hints. I've been more than busy - and still am, sorry about that guys - and only answered shortly that I thought that gifted-hinting was not a reasonable POV there... and then the wolves try to kill Sally the same Night.

How much did you others discuss Sally last Night? Was it something everyone talked about or...?

Well of course I was! Lol.

And....erm, thanks for losing me my bargaining “guess who I dreamed on Night One” chip. I’m not sure an ordo would say this sort of thing while the seer’s still alive. I mean fine, analyze all you want when I’m dead but until then don’t try to tell me who I dreamt. I could have bluffed quite easily that I’d dreamt someone who was alive, thus making the wolves nervous, but now it’s useless. (I mean yes, it’s true, but I had a big reveal planned for that and it’s ruined now. Rubbish.) And to be fair, I really just freaked out because he was my lover and dream conduit.

Trusts me and expects drama later. I mean it is me after all. Hehe.

Now that we know Lottie to be innocent I find this a bit interesting. I’m sure it was just a still relatively new Lottie being inquisitive (bless her) but for Nog to bring this up makes me shifty toward him, as saying that makes her look bad.

I also feel like he’s gone fishin’ with the last statement.

Post score: -3. Again.




Another thing that makes me feel a bit suspicious started from this:

Rikae: Admittedly scares me (in a good way, I think), so I'm glad to have her on my side in this game.

Now some others have commented on this already but I'm also a bit worried about Rikae's answer to that comment:

The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust.

But alona first. No ordo but a seer could say that - and a seer most likely wouldn't anyway unless she was to reveal (and this was before Sally came forwards anyway). Especially as she didn't say "I believe" or "I have a strong feeling", or "I have good vibes" but just plain and simple: "glad to have you on my side in this game". I know people think differently, but it's hard to see an ordo thinking like that in any circumstances, especially early on D2 basing her "knowledge" on Rikae's few posts she had made on D1!

But what about Rikae then? Now it looks like a really weird comment to suggest that alona would try to win her trust with that comment. And I guess Rikae realised it as she made a corrective move a bit later explaining alona's possible motivation a bit more. I just feel there is something fishy in there.

It could be within limits of believability that alona and Rikae actually are in cahoots here: alona made a major slip and Rikae tried to distance herself from her because of that.

Be that conspiracy theory as it may be, but I'm most probably going to vote alona again toDay. Not only because of that one thing with Rikae, but also looking at her so busy explaining herself time and time again and making comments I think were more fishy than not. I'll come back with some examples to show what I mean.

Again, he’s making a case against a now-known innocent. I don’t like his track record for doing that. Talks about Alona’s “yay we’re on the same side” comment again and says he’ll probably vote her because she’s likely working with Rikae. Erm....yeah, about that....

Post score: -2



On alona on D2

In the beginning there is basically just some odd air around her posting - something giving me a bit similar kind of feelings she gave me yesterDay, but maybe more. Like answering the question of her role with: "Plain ordo like last game, I'm afraid." or "wondering" why the wolves didn't kill her during the Night (why would they?).

But then her own explanation to Sally's question why she was so sure Rikae was on her side is interesting to say the least:

I just meant we're on the side of innocents. All I know is whenever I'm evil, Rikae knows it like the back of her hand. And if she is evil...eek, well then I'm totally screwed. But I'm not really getting that vibe, hence my goodwill statement that we're on the same side.

"I just meant we're on the side of innocents"!!! Now what? If you're an innocent alona that sentence is not adding anything to what you said earlier - and doesn't explain it in any way.

But why do you feel the need to say that what you really meant, was that you both are innocents?

And it is an intresting way to phrase a "goodwill statement" by saying you "know" the other is on the same side as you...

It's hard to believe in your sincerity here alona as the other explanation would fit so nicely.

Then she tried to turn the attention to Lottie on the issue of whether Morsul and Sally were "cleared". And when it backfired she turned into suspecting Sally's innocence with some dedication.

And this sounds like a disappointed wolf brooding over unfair rules:

But are we even allowed to know who the wolves tried to Night kill? That would be like knowing who the Seer dreamed of or who the Hunter was hunting.

The last posts she has been mainly defending herself...

At this point of the game she's truly my best bet for a wolf. Especially because of that above quote where she answered the question on why she was so sure about Rikae being on the same side.

And if she is lynched and turns out a wolf, I think we should really look at Rikae closely toMorrow.


Aaaaand again. He’s focusing solely on Alona, and I’d really like to know why. Other than that, I don’t feel like offering commentary. He’s being extremely one-minded and it’s scary. (I’m not saying that none of his points are valid arguments, just that he sticks to them even if they’re not exactly the best, and doesn’t concentrate on anyone else unless he can tie them to Alona.)

Post score: -1, because he’s already far enough in the hole. :p


Bedtime.

As Sally has not declared her innocent...

++ alona

For reasons above.

I've had a few terribly busy days now but that's the RL sometimes intruding with a game of werewolf. It should slowly ease up though.

Yes, because I’d hand over an innocent on a silver platter unless they’re being threatened. (That and I wasn’t even around.) Also, his reasoning’s rather meh, so I’m unimpressed.

Post score: -1. Again.




If someone hasn't noticed this, pay heed:

they may protect the same person no more than two nights in a row. They may protect themselves once only during the game.

So we'll have Sally around toMorrow as well. Make your dream a good one Sally!

Is it paranoid of me that I think he really means ‘make it a good one’? ‘Cause I do. Of course a Nog wolf would want me to dream an innocent, and I know he’d be clever enough to word it like that so he looked good but was actually being sneaky. Thoughts on this?




Overall it doesn’t look too good for Nog. He’s single-mindedly attacking one person, and all the other people he’s even considered accusing are known innocents. It’s very troublesome.

Oh, and his final score? -10/10. Red....no, mauve alert.

Now since I know he’s not the ranger I wouldn’t feel entirely bad for voting him (and in fact would find it quite ironic, since he’s been posting so little that I can’t shake the bad vibes) but I’m not sure I want him as my top suspect toDay since he’s not around. I’ll certainly put him toward the top of the list though!

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 12:48 AM
Also, since the dream's out of the catcher I might as well post this. I sent it to Gwath along with my second dream because it de-stressed (and distressed lol).



There was a game when Wilwa sighed
When Rikae theorized and held lovers in check
There was a time when no one died
And Little Lottie spoke in song and PMs were in excess
There was a game
Then the votes went wrong

I dreamed a dream of Glirdan’s role
I filled his inbox with sweet whispering
I dreamed that we could reach our goal
I dreamed that Gwath would be forgiving
Then I was full of plans and aims
We hoped to dream and trick the werewolves
There were PMs to be exchanged
No scheme unplanned, no single plot hole

But the votes came tumbling in
Even though we weren’t accusing
I still knew he was done in
As the hunter took him down

He spent a Night with me aligned
He filled my inbox with his musings
He texted me to save his hide
But he’s gone out with Morsul now

And still I dream he'll message me
That we’ll defeat the wolves together
But there are posts that will not be
And my PM box has seen better

I somehow thought this game would be
So different from this thread I’m reading
So better now than what I see
But Morsul’s killed the dream I dreamed

Shastanis Althreduin
01-17-2010, 01:02 AM
With all the song parodies going on, I feel like I should do one. :p

Also theatre is kicking my butt, for those who think I'm "flying under the radar". Just ask Sally about the free time (or lack thereof) when you're rehearsing for a musical. Rather ironically, considering her role, we're doing "Grease". :p The next few nights should be pretty good for me, though, as it's the weekend.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 01:21 AM
With all the song parodies going on, I feel like I should do one. :p

Also theatre is kicking my butt, for those who think I'm "flying under the radar". Just ask Sally about the free time (or lack thereof) when you're rehearsing for a musical. Rather ironically, considering her role, we're doing "Grease". :p The next few nights should be pretty good for me, though, as it's the weekend.

Heh. As long as you save some time for the Downs. :p



All right, folks, that's it from me for tonight. Sorry, but I'm exhausted. Later!

alonariel
01-17-2010, 01:24 AM
Is it paranoid of me that I think he really means ‘make it a good one’? ‘Cause I do. Of course a Nog wolf would want me to dream an innocent, and I know he’d be clever enough to word it like that so he looked good but was actually being sneaky. Thoughts on this?

From what Lari has told me, Nog is very skilled whether he's ordo, gifted or a wolf. So not sure here, but he did accuse me of similar wordplay, and now that you've pointed it out, I would like to hear his explanation of it. I agree with you about not wanting to vote for him until he's had a say about the suspicions against him because we really, really can't afford to lynch another ordo with how low the numbers are right now.

Shastanis Althreduin
01-17-2010, 01:46 AM
For my last post of the night, I would like to point out that Inzil's suspicion of me is based on me referring to my reputation as a psychic. That is all.

Lariren Shadow
01-17-2010, 02:03 AM
I'm going to post this and probably not post until tomorrow morning and then vote, because I have to drive back to LA, and that's a fun six hour drive.

To be honest, I have no idea. Most people have either been silent or saying things that, while not entirely suspicious, are not entirely clear of suspicion. So I guess I'll try to same something, but I'm gonna be honest here, my list of no reads is a lot longer than my list of reads.

A is for alona who is being too brash and outspoken to be (presumably) anything but innocent. As a wolf she plays safe and quiet. As an ordo she plays loud.

In is for Inzil who is my PM buddy.

Iz is for Izzy who hasn't said a lot and I have absolutely no idea.

N is for Nog who is way quiet than I've ever seen him. I know he says he has RL things and I'm not saying that's an excuse for his quietness, but even when he had RL things before, he would be up til 5 AM posting huge epic long posts and threatened with mod fire if he didn't sleep. So does this mean that RL is really this hard or is this how Nog-wolf plays?

Sa is for Sally who I see no reason to doubt.

Sh is for Shasta who I've seen in RL how tricky he can be, but I still have no idea.

W is for Wilwa who is on Sally's no vote list. I really have nothing else on her, either. She's been un-outstanding, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

I'm of terrible no use, mostly because I seem to not know anything that's going on in this game. Blech.

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 07:38 AM
Abigail's battery's about dead.

What happened to Hunter? :eek:

So I have to go off to Church, I'm just popping on really quick. Once I get back I'll have the whole afternoon to read back through everything again and hopefully my list will be epic. Sally dear, you won't have it by mid day though, maybe closer to 65% into the day. :rolleyes:

I also have a staff party to go to tonight so I'll be gone for a good chunk of time, and then come back again, probably just in time to vote.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 10:10 AM
Okay. Back to read. Starting from yesterDay from when I left.

Sorry. My days (RL) have been "wake up early, head to work, go non-stop 12-14 hours, come home 10-11PM..." So I haven't actually been able to spend too much with this game.

But I should have some time toDay... well, into reading first. But I'll be around if anyone wishes to discuss this or that.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 11:15 AM
N is for Nog who is way quiet than I've ever seen him. I know he says he has RL things and I'm not saying that's an excuse for his quietness, but even when he had RL things before, he would be up til 5 AM posting huge epic long posts and threatened with mod fire if he didn't sleep. So does this mean that RL is really this hard or is this how Nog-wolf plays?I can post up to 5AM - even 7 AM - when I have a day off that day, like a weekend or vacation, and the game is interesting. Sadly I've had early morning calls every day this time (weekend included), but I've still posted into 1 or 2 AM... Sorry to disappoint you, but even I need some sleep if I have a 14-hour workday to look for. :rolleyes:

Okay. I'll answer Sally's (mis)analysis first and then start looking for the wolves.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 12:24 PM
For D1 (bolding mine)
I think Rikae, Inzil and Wilwa are trying to do something which makes me appreciate them and I'm not going to vote anyone of them.It seems to me he’s giving the people in his first list a free pass simply because he knows they’re trying to make him happy. He knows they’re trying to butter up, and he buys it without batting an eyelash or an orange. Such logic can be deadly in Werewolf.What? C'mon! If someone plays on D1, I like it. And you know it. I never vote for those who PLAY on D1 - unless there is a strong enough reason for it (then I will vote for an active player to be sure).

We all know that it is easier to suspect someone who says a lot (not just banters but really says something). That's the sad fate of our active players who try to contribute on D1 - so I will stand beside anyone who contributes and wish to do away with slackers on D1, unless there is a strong suspicion and yadayadayada.

So what is that "buttering up" thing there? I just don't get it. I said they are "doing something" eg. contributing, trying to get some discussion rolling, making points, not just hunkering down, not just trying to be as uncontroversial as possible... that's what I think everyone should do already on D1! I don't think any one of them was active "just to butter me up". That would be preposterous indeed.

I'm not saying Rikae, Inzil & Wilwa are innocents. Probably at least one of them is a wolf (that's just even statistically quite so). But as they clearly play I wouldn't like to see them gone toDay.And of course now he retracts his earlier statement, or at least clarifies. He doesn’t trust all these people, he just doesn’t think they should die that Day. Completely different!That is not a retraction, but you cancall it a clarification. The bolded part of what you said is exactly what I meant. What I said earlier was that they "are trying to do something which makes me appreciate them and I'm not going to vote anyone of them." That is not completely different but the same thing (clarified). I said I appreaciated their way of play (as it was D1) and would not vote for them. I never said I thought them innocents.

If I wouldn't believe that you're the seer Sally, I would be really suspicious of your twisting of my words.

And then he votes on nothing. Nothing, and he even admits it. Also, I’ve never known Nog to be so apologetic when he votes someone.There is a simple explanation: I have never been forced to vote with that little stuff to read / time to use for thinking about what to do. I was really feeling insecure there. Although with hindsight I think my guts were not that bad after all... but that's another story to be discussed later.

For D2
Also it looks to me quite obvious Sally dreamt of Glirdy on N1 - as agreed, the seer would like to know her pal first if he is to be trusted to play together - and thus her panic in the end of the Day.

Furthermore I see no reason to doubt Sally's reveal. And I'll bet she will eventually come back with the one known person to her she must have.And....erm, thanks for losing me my bargaining “guess who I dreamed on Night One” chip. I’m not sure an ordo would say this sort of thing while the seer’s still alive. I mean fine, analyze all you want when I’m dead but until then don’t try to tell me who I dreamt. I could have bluffed quite easily that I’d dreamt someone who was alive, thus making the wolves nervous, but now it’s useless.I'm sorry to have blown your scheme, but here you must look at the mirror as well and bear at least part of the burden yourself. Now when you claimed you had dreamt of two wolves and said you would not come back as you were annoyed with us, you had also left a list where you put me and Inzil as the two you "could easily vote". So as I needed to go to sleep and could not affect the last hours - and not being sure you came back to say you were not serious - some could have voted for me, an innocent, because of your list & "revealment of two wolves".

Had you not made that list I wouldn't have said that, or had I been able to stay up for the rest of the Day...

Now what makes me wonder is that Lottie was actually quite inquisitive about Sally's panic in the end of yesterDay. And even if her speculations ended up more or less thinking Sally innocent she wished to hear my views on possible explanations of her gifted hints. I've been more than busy - and still am, sorry about that guys - and only answered shortly that I thought that gifted-hinting was not a reasonable POV there... and then the wolves try to kill Sally the same Night.Now that we know Lottie to be innocent I find this a bit interesting. I’m sure it was just a still relatively new Lottie being inquisitive (bless her) but for Nog to bring this up makes me shifty toward him, as saying that makes her look bad.We know Lottie was innocent... now. But we didn't know it back then. I didn't. But had I been lynched or Night-killed that could have been a piece of information that might have been valuable - and none else but I had it. For me her inquisitiveness especially on you Sally that Night and the fact that the wolves tried to kill you seemed suspicious enough to voice it.

How much did you others discuss Sally last Night? Was it something everyone talked about or...?
I also feel like he’s gone fishin’ with the last statement.Sorry. I was trying to find out for myself - and to you all others - whether what I said about Lottie's PM's were significant or not. I mean, to me it was odd she was only interested of Sally (remember we didn't know you are the seer) and then Sally was about to be killed. So I was interested whether others talked about it as well eg. whether I was the only one who didn't think Sally's actions were something special or odd.

Again, he’s making a case against a now-known innocent. I don’t like his track record for doing that.Me neither. :(

Aaaaand again. He’s focusing solely on Alona, and I’d really like to know why.You just complained I suspected Lottie and Rikae... :p

But to be honest, I had no time. I had to pick something that to me looked suspicious and try to see whether there was anything in there that would comfirm my suspicions or not. With alona there really was - and is. I really don't understand why you people don't see it. What she said to Rikae is unthinkable from an innocent mouth. None of us innocents knows anyone of the others to be on our side so we just can't "slip" that kind of thought as it is not a possible thought - at least early on D2 regarding someone who had posted like four posts or something.

If you don't actually know someone to be on your side you just can't "accidentally" say "it's great we're on the same side this time"!!! But if you're a wolf who needs to deceive you could in theory make a major slip like that. It is quite odd a wolf would be that thoughtless, but it would be even more implausible for an innocent to say that!
:smokin:

Lariren Shadow
01-17-2010, 12:51 PM
Yes Nog, and now that I see that I still have no idea about anyone.

Ok I have to vote now because I'm making no promises about even being here for deadline. There's some rain in the forecast and I'm not taking chances. We had three people, I believe, who didn't vote yesterDay.

So I'm not voting Sally. Mostly because I'm inclined to believe her. I'm not voting Nog because if he is innocent he could sniff out a wolf. And we have to get a wolf toDay, unless the Ranger was daring last Night. Because we will be equal toMorrow.

So that leaves Alona, Inzil, Izzy, Shasta, and Wilwa as possible votes. Not voting Alona because I still think she's playing way to loud to be a wolf. Her wolf style is quiet and on the sidelines. Wilwa was on Sally's no vote list yesterDay and I have nothing really on her so I'm not really ok with voting for her.

And that leaves Inzil, Izzy, and Shasta. I have no idea. Do I believe what I've been told? Well, I'm left with three. And there are three wolves. Which means odds are that one of them is a wolf. I know Shasta is busy but he could also just be flying under the radar. It could happen. And out of all of them, I think I'm going to go with Shasta.

++Shasta

And this time I do want to vote him.

alonariel
01-17-2010, 12:57 PM
But to be honest, I had no time. I had to pick something that to me looked suspicious and try to see whether there was anything in there that would comfirm my suspicions or not. With alona there really was - and is. I really don't understand why you people don't see it. What she said to Rikae is unthinkable from an innocent mouth. None of us innocents knows anyone of the others to be on our side so we just can't "slip" that kind of thought as it is not a possible thought - at least early on D2 regarding someone who had posted like four posts or something.

If you don't actually know someone to be on your side you just can't "accidentally" say "it's great we're on the same side this time"!!! But if you're a wolf who needs to deceive you could in theory make a major slip like that. It is quite odd a wolf would be that thoughtless, but it would be even more implausible for an innocent to say that!
:smokin:

Seriously, Nog, if our Seer is able to hone in on so much suspicious activity from you and you explain it away with a need for sleep (an explanation I used for my flipflop during the debate with Lottie) mis-reading Lottie (something I admitted to), and simply "gut" feeling when voting for me (my main explanation for my comment about Rikae), why am I so much more suspicious than you are? Your single-mindedness is getting to me, because yeah, the wolves won't win immediately if we lynch an ordo today, but it certainly doesn't put the village in a good position.

And let's be honest, I'm not a good enough player to escape the Seer's notice, convince both her and other players I'm innocent and rack up so much suspicion against you in the process. Unless this whole thing is ordo-on-ordo and I really am that clumsy. This is only my third online WW game, I'm still learning. And I still make slips like the one I made when referring to Rikae, though I didn't think of it as a slip at the time. Obviously. I'll say this, too, if I were a wolf this game, Lari would have been the first Night kill, end of story.


Side note: I'm probably taking this more personal than normal, but that's mainly due to RL. I'm not exactly in my best frame of mind at the moment. Probably shouldn't even be playing, but it's a great escape and I need one of those right now.

Inziladun
01-17-2010, 01:05 PM
Yes Nog, and now that I see that I still have no idea about anyone.

Ok I have to vote now because I'm making no promises about even being here for deadline. There's some rain in the forecast and I'm not taking chances. We had three people, I believe, who didn't vote yesterDay.

So I'm not voting Sally. Mostly because I'm inclined to believe her. I'm not voting Nog because if he is innocent he could sniff out a wolf. And we have to get a wolf toDay, unless the Ranger was daring last Night. Because we will be equal toMorrow.

So that leaves Alona, Inzil, Izzy, Shasta, and Wilwa as possible votes. Not voting Alona because I still think she's playing way to loud to be a wolf. Her wolf style is quiet and on the sidelines. Wilwa was on Sally's no vote list yesterDay and I have nothing really on her so I'm not really ok with voting for her.

And that leaves Inzil, Izzy, and Shasta. I have no idea. Do I believe what I've been told? Well, I'm left with three. And there are three wolves. Which means odds are that one of them is a wolf. I know Shasta is busy but he could also just be flying under the radar. It could happen. And out of all of them, I think I'm going to go with Shasta.

++Shasta

And this time I do want to vote him.


Sounds reasonable to me. Depending on what Sally has to say later, I could well follow suit. And you're right, of course. If an innocent is lynched toDay, it's very likely going to be a wolf win. As it is now, the ratio of innocents to wolves stands at 5:3. If an innocent goes toDay, it'll be 4:3 toNight, and all they'll need is one more kill.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 01:22 PM
Here's the votes from D1 & D2. Known innocents are bolded.
(EDIT: the X in front of Izzy & Lari are the "wrong deadline votes)

D1

Nog -> alona
wilwa -> Sally
Lottie -> Inzil
Rikae -> Glirdy
Inzil -> Lottie
X Izzy -> Shasta
X Lari -> Shasta2
Morsul -> Glirdy2
(Lari -- Shasta? = not valid)
Glirdy -> Morsul
alona -> Morsul2
Shasta -> Morsul3

hunter reveal
Glirdan target

Sally -> Shasta3

flip coin: Morsul dies -> Glirdy dies

D2

Nog -> alona
Lari -> Lottie
- .10 wilwa -> Shasta
- .04 Inzil -> Lottie2
- .02 Lottie -> alona2
- .02 Rikae -> Nog
- .01 Izzy -> wilwa

Did not vote: alona, Sally, Shasta

Seemingly a flip of coin once again? -> Lottie dies


Interestingly the three who didn't vote on D2 were the first to post toDay...

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 01:30 PM
So I re-read from the beginning and quoted a bunch of stuff and here they are with my random thoughts, and then a list:

I'm not having the best of times right now, so I'm just going to vote and go to bed. For reasons stated earlier:

++Morsul

I dislike this vote. Her reasons were that she didn't like Morsul's "out of nowhere" vote for Glirdan, but when he voted he was under the impression that DL was fast approaching, and it was kinda a rush in the moment thing. Lari's vote was the same, but Alona found nothing wrong with it.

Being innocent and single gets you no action. (Heh. I see what I did there.)


I just think this is funny cause Sally and I ended up stranded in the same boat at the same time. :p

Plain ordo like last game, I'm afraid. I'm actually surprised the wolves didn't go after me Night 1 - which might exclude Rikae, Wilwa, Lari and Shasta since they were present at the Bostonmoot games ;)

This whole post bugs me too. I don't really get why she thought she was a logical wolf choice.


Rikae: Admittedly scares me (in a good way, I think), so I'm glad to have her on my side in this game.

I'm aware this has been mentioned a lot already. Now if Rikae had ended up guilty I would be quite convinced that Alona is too. Rikae being innocent just makes me confused about this. I don't really know...

Okay, but here's what worries me: your surety that Sally's a "known" innocent - when in fact, only Morsul and Glirdan are the "known" innocents.

Why are you so certain of Sally's innocence, Lottie?

Wow I quoted Alona alot....this is weird cause it was pretty obvious Sally was innocent. And it was explained to her a couple times but she still seemed to want to shed doubt on it.



I disagree that it would be "in the wolves interest to (at least in the absence of a better kill) get rid of any unwanted attention." in regards to killing their lovers. It seems like a mighty large trail that they would be leaving behind. I can't imagine them being such generous (and obvious,) Hansel and Gretels.


Well I agree with this statement, but it's just the Hansel and Gretel thing, made me nostalgic. :D



Also, she can steer us away from the Ranger, but she apparently can't lead us to a wolf at the moment. I don't want to lynch the Ranger, but I don't want an ordo either.

This still bothers me. I'd happily die if it meant the Ranger could survive, especially since our Seer needs him so much. Yes wolves are our priority, but Sally can give us an advantage over the wolves, therefore keeping the Ranger alive keeps her alive and stays on track with our objective. I don't really get why he objected to this.


A flaw I see on that plan Wilwa is that it won't give us much information to go on toMorrow. If the person picked by Sally is not a wolf, then I imagine the wolves will have no problem in going along with it. I imagine they probably won't have much problem with it, even if it is a wolf - so they could try and blend in with the crowd.

Lynching a wolf is priority. If we can't get one, an ordo is better than a gifted.


She kinda goes against the idea like Inzil, but then her last sentence makes up for it, so that's fine actually, when I quoted this I hadn't noticed that last part.

Also, I kind of want to know how everyone feels about their lovers.


Mine was awesome, may he rest in peace.

Sally: I don't think the Ranger needs to hint to you whether they protected you or not, too risky for him, cause he needs to stay alive as long as possible so he can protect you as long as possible. Oh, and if you didn't dream a wolf last Night then I'm gonna vote for whoever you vote for anyway, cause with our numbers dwindling I don't want to risk a last minute bandwaggon that kills our Ranger, cause then you're definitely dead toNight.

List? Ok then...

Nogrod: not too too much from him, but what I have seen I've agreed with or at least understood his logica and I don't see anything wrong with him

Alona: I want to trust her, and there's something nagging at the back of my head that is making me want to trust her, but there's also a lot of stuff that she's said that just urks me the wrong way (see above). So I'm on the fence here, it's like my half of me sees the logic that she could be guilty, then another half is like "no no, she's good, trust your gut"...so yeah, I don't know

Lari: uhm, kinda under my radar, but nothing stood out so I'm good here for now

Izzy: so yesterday she said something like she didn't get my whole Shasta deal, so I asked what she meant by that, and all she did was quote what I had said, she didn't really say what she found wrong with it, and then voted for me cause I didn't explain my reasoning (when I couldn't explain, since she never really told me what needed explaining)....so I don't like that, the vote itself I get, cause Shasta was a kinda rushed flimsy thing from me, but just that one part bugs me...I don't however have anything else against her at the moment, so this is not enough to go on, off this alone I would not vote for her

Inzil: ahh, my dear ex-lover, I'm really starting to suspect him. His comment that I quoted earlier was odd, and he at one point said I was "fixated" on the revealing lovers thing, when I actually had just made an off handed joking (only Lottie seems to pick up on the joking part) suggestion, and then others took it serious and actually followed through, so I wouldn't say I was fixated. Anyway....yeah, a few things here in there, I'll try to take a closer look later.

Shasta: Yes, I voted him yesterDay, yes the reasons were flimsy, and no I don't really have anything new to add about him right now.

Hmm. Need a break, the whole read through took me like an hour. Be back later.

x'ed with a few people

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 01:31 PM
What happened to Hunter?

So I have to go off to Church, I'm just popping on really quick. Once I get back I'll have the whole afternoon to read back through everything again and hopefully my list will be epic. Sally dear, you won't have it by mid day though, maybe closer to 65% into the day.

I also have a staff party to go to tonight so I'll be gone for a good chunk of time, and then come back again, probably just in time to vote.

Hunter died back in November. :(

And I look forward to seeing your epic list! And don't worry if it's not here by mid-Day (which it obviously isn't lol) because I slept late so I think I'll be at least somewhat conscious for the rest of the Day. Yay lists! :D


And Nog, you do have to agree that you've gone after Alona a lot, though I'll say in apology that I should have stated you went mostly after her. You have though; for the most part, you've accused someone then just gone back to Alona. But if I was 100% convinced you were a wolf I'd have voted you already, so for now let's just consider you on the 'possibly dangerous' list. Which is always where you belong anyway. ;)



For everyone else. Remember what I said about going all half-cocked? I mean it's fine for now, but I don't want things to go downhill later and end up swinging the ranger's direction. Which reminds me. A list of my own. (Keep in mind this is how I would feel regardless of my dreams, so please don't accept it as pure canon.)


Possibly guilty:
Nog (too quiet, and when he is he doesn't seem to be ordo!Nog)
Izzy (too quiet and too like Nog, which worries me. Also, she's too far off everyone's radar and I never like that.)

Not sure, but could go either way:
Lari (while Alona thinks she's probably innocent, I'm not entirely convinced. She looks a bit too calculated for my taste.)
Dun (just because of a few things he's said, which I hope to point out when/if I get to my analysis of him)
Wilwa (again, has said some things I'm not too comfortable with, although her concern for my lost computer is touching)
Shasta (because a wolf!Shasta would be more active even if he did have a show. Of course he could be laying low specifically for that reason, so dunno.)

Probably innocent:
Alona (because she's been helpful to the point of beyond helpful and I'm not getting any sort of wolf vibe from her, which would normally be worrying but I can read her fairly well so I place her here)

In her own little guilt-free world:
Sally. Because I'm ever so cute and cuddly. ^_^


ETA: x'd since Lari's vote. And Wilwa can come here and collect her hug.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 01:47 PM
Let's also see the pairs... (known innocents bolded)

Sally/Glirdan
Shasta/Alona
Morsul/Wilwa
Rikae/Izzy
Nog/Lottie
Dun/Lari

Looking at it now and not believeing there is a wolf-wolf PM-pair (well, there might be, but I'd think it less probable than every wolf being given as a PM-pal to an innocent) the situation would mean there were three pairs of innocents to begin with and three which had a wolf in them. Now we can say that Sally / Glirdy was one of the pairings of innocents - and I know me and Lottie was another. To you the pair, me / Lottie is an unknown of course – but I know now that both of the other two pairs with a dead innocent in them can not be innocent!

To put it plainly: either wilwa or Izzy is a wolf – or they both are. Unless there is a wolf-wolf PM-pair of course.

My problem is that the more I look at it, the less innocent-looking people I see round…

Although I have to say alona’s latest defence felt genuine. I’m torn with her right now: my reason says she must be a wolf but my feelings are confused and willing to believe her. Now what is the part played here by several people saying she’s like that / believing she could actually make such an odd comment, and what is their alignment in the game?

I’ll try to add things up a bit… in a moment. (needs to see first what has happened meanwhile as I see post being made)

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 02:31 PM
Looking at the votes again...

Johnny 99 - Nogrod
alona (unknown) x 2 first vote of the Day

City Dude - Inziladun
Lottie (innocent) early vote
Lottie (innocent) putting her into lead over Shasta (unknown) & alona (unknown)

Gypsy Biker - Shasta
(hunter) putting him in front of Glirdy (innocent)
no vote on D2

Bad Scooter - Isabellkya
Shasta (unknown) hasty erred dl-vote
Wilwa (unknown) last minute throw-away vote

Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Morsul (hunter) ties him with Glirdan (innocent)
no vote on D2

Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Shasta (unknown) forced to tie him with Glirdy (a known innocent to her)
no vote on D2

Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Sally (seer) an early vote
Shasta (unknown) first vote for him before the last minute rush (only two votes had been given before)

Wendy - Lariren
Shasta (unknown) putting him into lead at the last minute - wrong dl. (tried to retract)
Lottie (innocent) early first vote


Some thoughts to follow - and hopefully in the end trying to add up all the statistics I've tried to gather.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 03:16 PM
So the votes.

Looking at the votes wilwa looks the worst. She voted for Sally early on D1 - which could be seen as a safe move. But her vote and action late on D2 could be read as a prime example how a thoughtful wolf would act - she voted late but before the real action begins so as not to be noticed. Well, I noticed it. But also, she said her reasons were flimsy (even if Izzy pointed out she had declared she had a lot of time in her hands - and one could see her hanging around all through the Day). After her vote she held back - like if she just enjoyed looking at things and didn't think she should take part in discussion. That's the classical wolf-error: when things are going fine you just hang around and look at the things unfolding as long as they go nice from your POV. She only bothered to defend herself when Izzy questioned her "flimsy reasons" - but that showed she was following the discussion!

Lari's first Day retraction trial looked fishy as such. After she learned that the dl was not what she thought (said she thought) she gave a concerned feeling by "retracting" but never then bothered to make an attempt to offer other ideas eg. letting us know whom else she would then have voted. So feeling comfy with how things went (or whom her vote was for), and even more comfy of the fact that no one could say she voted for X or Y? So being totally safe from any speculations as she had both voted but yet not voted - and no one could pin down her original vote as it was a rushed random sort of thing which shev regretted?

Of others Inzil looks bad as he has consistently voted for a known innocent two times - well the very same Lottie. But I'm pretty conscious of the possibility that if alona turns out innocent my record will look the same. If I have time I will look after his posts as I'm a bit uneasy with him but can't pinpoint it down to any detail right now.

Izzy's vote yesterDay looks like a throwaway, voting for a new candidate at the last minute. But there were three people to vote as yet so it's hard to say. An innocent Rikae voted for a new candidate that late as well.

Too many non-voters yesterDay. It blurs the vision.

alonariel
01-17-2010, 03:23 PM
Interestingly the three who didn't vote on D2 were the first to post toDay...

Mainly 'cause I felt bad for not showing up for DL or the latter half of yesterDay.

I dislike this vote. Her reasons were that she didn't like Morsul's "out of nowhere" vote for Glirdan, but when he voted he was under the impression that DL was fast approaching, and it was kinda a rush in the moment thing. Lari's vote was the same, but Alona found nothing wrong with it.

Morsul's vote came with him being gone for a majority of Day 1, whereas, when I talked with Lari throughout Day 1, even though she had work, she gave me the impression she'd sifted through the posts and based her vote on that. It was actually Izzy's comment about the DL that sparked her spontaneous vote. And at the time, Glirdan seemed more innocent than Shasta - even though it was Day 1.

This whole post bugs me too. I don't really get why she thought she was a logical wolf choice.

Confused here. That who thought who was a logical wolf choice? All I did was use meta game to rule out a few possible wolves, and even that was a bit of a joke.

I'm aware this has been mentioned a lot already. Now if Rikae had ended up guilty I would be quite convinced that Alona is too. Rikae being innocent just makes me confused about this. I don't really know...

Like I said, great frame, which makes me think experienced wolves might be playing here.

Wow I quoted Alona alot....this is weird cause it was pretty obvious Sally was innocent. And it was explained to her a couple times but she still seemed to want to shed doubt on it.

I think Izzy asked about this, too. Basically I saw Inzil's post saying that Sally was the Night target, went with it at the beginning of the Day and then later started to question it while I was talking with Lari about it. My debate with Lottie went well into the early morning for me and I don't think I was thinking quite clearly at the time.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 03:34 PM
Bloody interwebs.


Anyway I'm gonna take a look at Lari now. Back soon-ish. :)

Isabellkya
01-17-2010, 03:35 PM
Was reading while my lunch cooked. Few comments.

Wilwa, I'd asked about the Shasta/Sally thing earlier on Day two, and had gotten no response about it. A specific quote # will have to wait until I come back.

While I was reading Sally's rundown of Nog, sorry - but I couldn't help but laugh a little. It just seems so fabricated, and.. over the top flimsy to me. Hindsight tends to be 20/20... but condemning someone with it, is just... o.O



Okay, back in a bit after lunch.

X'd with Sally.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 03:38 PM
Heh. I was just going to ask who was around, and then Izzy shows up. :p



Well you know how I like to get reactions. Nog's response to my analysis made me quite happy so it was definitely worth giving up a bit of sleep.


Anyone else around, by the way?

alonariel
01-17-2010, 03:40 PM
Anyone else around, by the way?

Present, and working on an analysis about the PM pal list.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 03:42 PM
Wow I quoted Alona alot....this is weird cause it was pretty obvious Sally was innocent. And it was explained to her a couple times but she still seemed to want to shed doubt on it.Basically I saw Inzil's post saying that Sally was the Night target, went with it at the beginning of the Day and then later started to question it while I was talking with Lari about it.That is interesting indeed!

So you kept talking with Lari a lot and she got you to suspect Sally's reveal?

But wait... you're not PM-pals! I'm not sure what to say. I mean this game should be played online in front of everyone, not privately somewhere outside the range of other ears.

Anyway it is interesting as well that wilwa wants to push after you for that if Lari had helped you to distrust Sally's reveal in a situation where it was more or less obvious...

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 03:45 PM
Looking at the votes wilwa looks the worst. She voted for Sally early on D1 - which could be seen as a safe move. But her vote and action late on D2 could be read as a prime example how a thoughtful wolf would act - she voted late but before the real action begins so as not to be noticed. Well, I noticed it. But also, she said her reasons were flimsy (even if Izzy pointed out she had declared she had a lot of time in her hands - and one could see her hanging around all through the Day). After her vote she held back - like if she just enjoyed looking at things and didn't think she should take part in discussion. That's the classical wolf-error: when things are going fine you just hang around and look at the things unfolding as long as they go nice from your POV. She only bothered to defend herself when Izzy questioned her "flimsy reasons" - but that showed she was following the discussion!

Ok. So I'm gonna defend myself once, and then not anymore, cause it seems to always just make me look worse, but this is kinda bugging me.

So Izzy said this yesterDay:



Wilwarin - I'm still confused on the whole Shasta deal.


I responded with this, because I didn't know what she was talking about:
Hmm???


She responded with this:
Wilwa..
in #160 you said

"Shasta: makes me a bit uneasy, it seems like a Sally kill could have been an obvious attempt to set him up, and so I see it as possible that he was trying to set himself up to look good (I know that's a big stretch, I won't base a vote purely on that). And him not liking Alona revealing thier Loverness is kinda odd, since it isn't really that big a deal at this point. "

I believe you have made reference to it in other posts. (bolding mine)

Still don't know what part of what I said she's refering too, what is "it"? The Sally kill choice or the Lover reveal part??? I didn't know yesterDay, still don't really. Then later she votes for me saying I didn't explain my vote well but she never clarified what it was about my explanation that she didn't like, so how could I have possibly explained it better?

And Nog, my vote came at the end of the Day (last 10 minutes), so there wasn't really too much discussion for me to be a part of after I voted, just this thing with Izzy bugging me, cause I was so confused as to what she was referring too, but even most of that came before I voted. So there really wasn't too much "discussion" for me to "hold back on".

And yes I was there all Day, and I did read through everything, but the whole time I had it in my head that I would just vote the same as Sally (to be sure we wouldn't lynch the Ranger). So yeah, I was paying attention to everything said, but I wasn't really looking at it in the sense of trying to find suspicious stuff because I was sure my vote would follow Sally's. So when it was obvious she wasn't showing up I had to go back over stuff fairly quickly in my mind and just reverted back to the list I had made earlier, and Shasta was all that had stood out when I had made it. Basically all Day I had thought Sally would decide my vote for me, so I never really came up with my own possibility. Yes, I know how terrible that sounds, which is why I am coming up with my own possibilities toDay, even though I'll probably just vote with Sally anyway.

K, stopping there.

That who thought who was a logical wolf choice?
Alona, you thought you were a logical kill choice, you said you didn't get why the wolves didn't kill you.

x'ed since the Alona post I quoted

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 03:45 PM
Present, and working on an analysis about the PM pal list.

Yay! *glomps you* :D




And Nog, I think she means that when she was on the thread with Lari she got confused and said the wrong things because she was tired. Am I right?


EDIT: x'd with Wilwa

alonariel
01-17-2010, 03:47 PM
That is interesting indeed!

So you kept talking with Lari a lot and she got you to suspect Sally's reveal?

But wait... you're not PM-pals! I'm not sure what to say. I mean this game should be played online in front of everyone, not privately somewhere outside the range of other ears.

Lari and I were having a late night chat at her house and I was on the computer at the time, if really early morning memory serves. We're good friends in RL - she lives ten minutes from me.

Basically we were reading over how Lottie was going along with Sally's reveal and trusting it, and how Inzil was too, and then Lari (who also missed the clue in the narration until Shasta pointed it out to the both of us) wondered, "how do they know she was the target?" Because, ever since she started playing, she said that narrations never gave away who the attempted Night kills were.

I think it was mostly fueled by tensions with Lottie at the time, as I was having a debate with Lottie and Lari was already somewhat suspicious of Lottie.

alonariel
01-17-2010, 03:48 PM
And Nog, I think she means that when she was on the thread with Lari she got confused and said the wrong things because she was tired. Am I right?

Mostly, yeah. That, and Lari and I both didn't catch in the narration that it was Sally's character used.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 03:48 PM
Well, I might have managed to lost my main point from my last post... :(

So if Lari made you suspect Sally's reveal alona, are you sure she was being straight with you, or was she using you to her purposes?

alonariel
01-17-2010, 03:52 PM
Well, I might have managed to lost my main point from my last post... :(

So if Lari made you suspect Sally's reveal alona, are you sure she was being straight with you, or was she using you to her purposes?

Don't worry too much, I lose my train of thought all the time.

Since I was talking with her in person, I don't think so since I can read her pretty well - unless the move was pre-planned. I doubt that, though. Most of our conversation was about the restart.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 03:55 PM
After all this hassle I'm even more confused...

I need to be offline for a moment but will be back pretty soon to vote and then to bed.

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 03:56 PM
It's just that Alona there is kinda a rule that people shouldn't communicate outside of a WW game, like that's why people can't PM and are suggested to not IM or chat or anything like that. I mean I know it's different in RL (Glirdan and I have been tempted before, and when my brother was on here it was pretty hard not too, I'd have to all out ignore him for a few days to be careful :rolleyes:). But it's highly suggested that you avoid talking about the game outside the game, atleast while both of you are still in it. Kinda gives you an unfair advantage. (haha, sorry, just the multiple-times-Mod in me that is a bit crazy about some of the not-stressed-upon-enough rules). I think that's why Nog brought it up.

x'ed with an Alona and a Nog

alonariel
01-17-2010, 03:59 PM
It's just that Alona there is kinda a rule that people shouldn't communicate outside of a WW game, like that's why people can't PM and are suggested to not IM or chat or anything like that. I mean I know it's different in RL (Glirdan and I have been tempted before, and when my brother was on here it was pretty hard not too, I'd have to all out ignore him for a few days to be careful :rolleyes:). But it's highly suggested that you avoid talking about the game outside the game, atleast while both of you are still in it. Kinda gives you an unfair advantage. (haha, sorry, just the multiple-times-Mod in me that is a bit crazy about some of the not-stressed-enough rules). I think that's why Nog brought it up.

x'ed with an Alona and a Nog

Eek okay I can see that. Lari actually left this morning to go back to Claremont, so there won't be much more in person chatting with her for a couple months :( but I'll stay away from the topic online, too.

You had to ignore your brother for a few days? Poor Wilwa...

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:05 PM
Eek okay I can see that. Lari actually left this morning to go back to Claremont, so there won't be much more in person chatting with her for a couple months but I'll stay away from the topic online, too.

You had to ignore your brother for a few days? Poor Wilwa...

Heh. Duck and I couldn't manage it when we were in Shasta's game.

Okay, to be fair, I couldn't handle it. I just squee too much. :p



Also, for enjoyment....duck and I were talking a bit ago.



Sally:
I'm trying to decide what to do about (player)
*ponders*
*strokes hair on her chin*
Blast. Need to pluck that.
Duck:
Eat (her/him).
Sally:
lol
erm, okay
why?
Duck:
Because (he/she)’s tasty?
Sally:
lol
good enough for me!
Duck:
Hurrah!
Sally:
:p
Duck:
(Feel free to post this on the thread)
Sally:
om nom
lol
Duck:
Om nom nom.
Sally:
SPLEEN
:D
Duck:
*slavers*
Sally:
heh
MASTICATE
MASTICATE
Duck:
Hehehe




Lol. Because I love my duck. ^_^

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 04:06 PM
You had to ignore your brother for a few days? Poor Wilwa...

Yeah, it was weird cause we're close, but then once the game was done it'd give us something interesting to talk about for a while, and the rest of the family would be confused. Good times. :D (Wayne the Goblin, if your curious as to his screen name)

Now, when I play with Glirdan on the other hand, it's quite nice getting a little RL break from him! :p Especially cause we're always trying to kill each other in the games and I think we both kinda bug each other because our playing styles are soooo different and we surprisingly suck at reading each other, real test of our friendship! (would love it if he saw this :D)

x'ed with Sally, luvs her Sally ^_^

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 04:10 PM
*clears her throat and tries to look professional and not so chatty*

Anyway.

Sally, are you prepared to reveal your dream now?

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:11 PM
*clears her throat and tries to look professional and not so chatty*

Anyway.

Sally, are you prepared to reveal your dream now?

Heh. Nope. I will later though. Any particular reason I need to do it now?

alonariel
01-17-2010, 04:11 PM
Borrowing from Nog here to try and work things out.

Sally/Glirdan - gifted/innocent
Shasta/Alona - unknown/innocent (yeah, I know, no hard proof yet)
Morsul/Wilwa - hunter/unknown
Rikae/Izzy - innocent/unknown
Nog/Lottie - unknown/innocent
Dun/Lari - unknown/unknownprobablyinnocent

Assuming there's no wolf-wolf pairs here. If there is already a known gifted/innocent pair, it's probable that the Hunter and/or Ranger were paired up with innocents, too. That would leave 6 others - three wolves and three innocents. So no wolf-wolf pairs with this line of thinking. This also means Wilwa is most likely innocent and that whoever is paired with the Ranger might be innocent, too.

Now for the wolf-innocent pairs. That leaves Shasta, Izzy, Nog and Dun (or Lari) as a wolf. Ugh that's five people. Well, to narrow it down, if we go along with Sally referring to the Ranger as a she, that rules out Izzy, as she and Rikae could be the third gifted/innocent pair. It also rules out Lari and Dun, as they could also be the third gifted/innocent pair. So that leaves Shasta and Nog. While I'm tempted to lean more against Shasta than Nog now that he's tried to broaden his suspicions, he is going after Wilwa who I mostly trust to be innocent and now Lari who I'm 99.9% sure is innocent.

If the Ranger is a he and Sally was just using wordplay, then that rules out Shasta/me, Nog/Lottie and Dun/Lari, leaving Izzy as a wolf paired with known innocent Rikae.

So, conclusion: I might vote either Shasta or Nog. I probably won't vote Wilwa, Lari and certainly not Sally.

Alona, you thought you were a logical kill choice, you said you didn't get why the wolves didn't kill you.

That was more meta coming into my reasoning - referring to the Bostonmoot games and how Shasta was like, "Honey, if I'm a wolf, you're dead Night 1. Sorry!"

Now, when I play with Glirdan on the other hand, it's quite nice getting a little RL break from him! :p Especially cause we're always trying to kill each other in the games and I think we both kinda bug each other because our playing styles are soooo different and we surprisingly suck at reading each other, real test of our friendship! (would love it if he saw this :D)

x'ed with Sally, luvs her Sally ^_^

Haha! ...I mean I'm not sending this to him via Facebook message, what are you talking about?

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:16 PM
Borrowing from Nog here to try and work things out.

Sally/Glirdan - gifted/innocent
Shasta/Alona - unknown/innocent (yeah, I know, no hard proof yet)
Morsul/Wilwa - hunter/unknown
Rikae/Izzy - innocent/unknown
Nog/Lottie - unknown/innocent
Dun/Lari - unknown/unknownprobablyinnocent

Assuming there's no wolf-wolf pairs here. If there is already a known gifted/innocent pair, it's probable that the Hunter and/or Ranger were paired up with innocents, too. That would leave 6 others - three wolves and three innocents. So no wolf-wolf pairs with this line of thinking. This also means Wilwa is most likely innocent and that whoever is paired with the Ranger might be innocent, too.

Now for the wolf-innocent pairs. That leaves Shasta, Izzy, Nog and Dun (or Lari) as a wolf. Ugh that's five people. Well, to narrow it down, if we go along with Sally referring to the Ranger as a she, that rules out Izzy, as she and Rikae could be the third gifted/innocent pair. It also rules out Lari and Dun, as they could also be the third gifted/innocent pair. So that leaves Shasta and Nog. While I'm tempted to lean more against Shasta than Nog now that he's tried to broaden his suspicions, he is going after Wilwa who I mostly trust to be innocent and now Lari who I'm 99.9% sure is innocent.

If the Ranger is a he and Sally was just using wordplay, then that rules out Shasta/me, Nog/Lottie and Dun/Lari, leaving Izzy as a wolf paired with known innocent Rikae.

So, conclusion: I might vote either Shasta or Nog. I probably won't vote Wilwa, Lari and certainly not Sally.

That being said, I'd choose Nog of the two of them. I could go either way on him, while I tend to think Shasta's just really busy and has no ulterior motives.

And of course I'm not going to say anything more about the ranger, so meh.



See, now you see why my 'reveal your lovers' logic works. It seems to me we have no wolf/wolf pairings, and as far as I know there are no ordo/ordo pairings. (It's possible, but I don't think so.)

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 04:18 PM
Heh. Nope. I will later though. Any particular reason I need to do it now?

No, just curious. :D

Haha! ...I mean I'm not sending this to him via Facebook message, what are you talking about?

Haha :D Loving the image I have in my head of his reaction....

alonariel
01-17-2010, 04:24 PM
That being said, I'd choose Nog of the two of them. I could go either way on him, while I tend to think Shasta's just really busy and has no ulterior motives.

And of course I'm not going to say anything more about the ranger, so meh.

See, now you see why my 'reveal your lovers' logic works. It seems to me we have no wolf/wolf pairings, and as far as I know there are no ordo/ordo pairings. (It's possible, but I don't think so.)

Did you dream of Nog? I know you can't answer that right now, I'm just thinking out loud. I didn't see the logic of revealing the lovers at first, I'll admit, but with the interesting turn things have taken with you being able to be open (mostly) and safe (mostly) for a few Days, it's definitely worked to our advantage.

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 04:24 PM
See, now you see why my 'reveal your lovers' logic works. It seems to me we have no wolf/wolf pairings, and as far as I know there are no ordo/ordo pairings. (It's possible, but I don't think so.)

*ahem* Would just like to point out that the theory I had Day 1 (ya know, that one that everyone found so suspicious when I said it) actually is becoming one that others are thinking and is seeming to actually possibly be true. Just saying. :p

Basically, I agree with this Sally, I find it most likely that the pairings are 3 wolf-ord pairings and 3 gifted-ord pairings. So this is our situation:

Sally/Glirdan - gifted/innocent
Shasta/Alona - unknown/unknown
Morsul/Wilwa - hunter/unknown
Rikae/Izzy - innocent/unknown
Nog/Lottie - unknown/innocent
Inzil/Lari - unknown/unknown

edit: just realised that Alona posted that ^ exact same thing earlier, and I totally missed it :rolleyes:

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:25 PM
Did you dream of Nog? I know you can't answer that right now, I'm just thinking out loud. I didn't see the logic of revealing the lovers at first, I'll admit, but with the interesting turn things have taken with you being able to be open (mostly) and safe (mostly) for a few Days, it's definitely worked to our advantage.

Regardless of my dreams, I'd prefer Nog because I feel a better case can be made against him. (Aka I'd vote for him if I was an ordo and didn't know any roles. And like you said, I'm not saying whether I dreamt him yet or not.)

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:26 PM
Hmmmm.

Blah. Alona, I wonder if you could answer a very simple yet important question for me. How much do you love me? :Merisu:

alonariel
01-17-2010, 04:28 PM
Hmmmm.

Blah. Alona, I wonder if you could answer a very simple yet important question for me. How much do you love me? :Merisu:

Lots, of course, dear. Are you asking if I love you enough to sacrifice myself to let the Ranger live another Day?

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:29 PM
*ahem* Would just like to point out that the theory I had Day 1 (ya know, that one that everyone found so suspicious when I said it) actually is becoming one that others are thinking and is seeming to actually possibly be true. Just saying. :p

Basically, I agree with this Sally, I find it most likely that the pairings are 3 wolf-ord pairings and 3 gifted-ord pairings. So this is our situation:

Sally/Glirdan - gifted/innocent
Shasta/Alona - unknown/unknown
Morsul/Wilwa - hunter/unknown
Rikae/Izzy - innocent/unknown
Nog/Lottie - unknown/innocent
Inzil/Lari - unknown/unknown

edit: just realised that Alona posted that ^ exact same thing earlier, and I totally missed it :rolleyes:




Hehe exactly.


So basically that would make our wolves among Izzy and Nog, along with of course Lari and Dun and possibly the Shasta/Alona pariing.

Wow. Six choices. Hard. Oh, wait, I almost forgot. I know two of those people.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:30 PM
Lots, of course, dear. Are you asking if I love you enough to sacrifice myself to let the Ranger live another Day?

No, but I'm glad you're willing. Does this mean you're willing to protect other gifteds as well? (Not that I'm at risk of getting lynched, but....heh. Just for fun.)

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 04:30 PM
See, now you see why my 'reveal your lovers' logic works.Well, if you're going to use it that way then only the ranger can save you from defeat and your use of "logic" brings the doom to us.


It seems to me we have no wolf/wolf pairings, and as far as I know there are no ordo/ordo pairings. (It's possible, but I don't think so.)
I tend to agree with the first one, but I know the second one is not true.

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 04:31 PM
Wow. Six choices. Hard. Oh, wait, I almost forgot. I know two of those people.

Which is why I'm pretty much gonna copy your vote. Cause I would much rather not kill the Ranger.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:32 PM
Well, if you're going to use it that way then only the ranger can save you from defeat and your use of "logic" brings the doom to us.


I tend to agree with the first one, but I know the second one is not true.



How so? (On both counts.)

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 04:33 PM
Sally, ever heard of hybris and what follows from it, nemesis.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:33 PM
Which is why I'm pretty much gonna copy your vote. Cause I would much rather not kill the Ranger.

Lol. I'd rather you didn't either. ;)

alonariel
01-17-2010, 04:34 PM
No, but I'm glad you're willing. Does this mean you're willing to protect other gifteds as well? (Not that I'm at risk of getting lynched, but....heh. Just for fun.)

I don't understand how I could protect you, seeing as I'm not the Ranger. And I inadvertently helped lynch the Hunter on Day 1 :(

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:35 PM
Sally, ever heard of hybris and what follows from it, nemesis.

Are you referring to hubris? 'Cause yeah, I have. And I'm not getting cocky, I'm just glad I wasn't crazy and that my maths do work out like I thought/hoped they would. You gotta problem with that, love? ;)

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 04:36 PM
Well the second one because he is suggesting he is an ord (making the him/lottie pairing ord-ord).

But that's interesting, cause he agrees that there are no wolf-wolf pairings, but then says there is an ord-ord pairing. But to have both there would need to be a gifted-gifted pairing aswell (do the math, I'm right), which could only be possible if I'm the Ranger.

So....this is an interesting position you've put us in Nogrod.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 04:37 PM
If you lynch me - you lose. That simple.

Unless:
a) the ranger gives you one more Day to try
b) you're a wolf after some odd laziness by your real seer and then as a wolf you win

On the second one: Lottie was an ordinary innocent and I am an ordinary innocent. I do trust what the mod writes in the roles department after the narrations and the PM's he sends me concerning my role - so I tend to say I know it.

Also I know you don't know it. But I only said I know it.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:37 PM
I don't understand how I could protect you, seeing as I'm not the Ranger. And I inadvertently helped lynch the Hunter on Day 1 :(

Well of course not! But it's nice to know I have your support and that you'll help. ;)


And regardless of the fact that Morsul took Glirdan, I think it's best he died when he did, because I'd have wasted a dream on him otherwise.

alonariel
01-17-2010, 04:40 PM
Well of course not! But it's nice to know I have your support and that you'll help. ;)

Of course, just not when you're spouting Princess Bride quotes while serenading Boro at the same time.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 04:40 PM
But that's interesting, cause he agrees that there are no wolf-wolf pairings, but then says there is an ord-ord pairing. But to have both there would need to be a gifted-gifted pairing aswell (do the math, I'm right), which could only be possible if I'm the Ranger. I don't know there not being wolf-wolf pairings. I just hold them highly unlikely (why waste a "discussing pair" as the wolves can discuss anyway?).

But you wilwa forget the possibility of there being a gifted - wolf pair...

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 04:42 PM
Wait, or a gifted-wolf pairing (making either me or the Ranger's lover a wolf)....but like I said Day 1 I don't think that is likely because Gwath said in the admin thread that wolves may be paired with ords, but nothing about being paired with gifteds.

gah, just confusing myself again...nevermind

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:43 PM
Well the second one because he is suggesting he is an ord (making the him/lottie pairing ord-ord).

But that's interesting, cause he agrees that there are no wolf-wolf pairings, but then says there is an ord-ord pairing. But to have both there would need to be a gifted-gifted pairing aswell (do the math, I'm right), which could only be possible if I'm the Ranger.

So....this is an interesting position you've put us in Nogrod.

Yeah, I read that wrong. I thought he was implying he knew there were no ordo/ordo pairings, which was of course strange. Silly me, go back to remedial English. *headdesks* And believe me, there's no gifted/gifted pairing, as you so helpfully pointed out. There could be gifted/wolf or wolf/wolf though.

If you lynch me - you lose. That simple.

Unless:
a) the ranger gives you one more Day to try
b) you're a wolf after some odd laziness by your real seer and then as a wolf you win

On the second one: Lottie was an ordinary innocent and I am an ordinary innocent. I do trust what the mod writes in the roles department after the narrations and the PM's he sends me concerning my role - so I tend to say I know it.

Also I know you don't know it. But I only said I know it.

Well I don't know it because there still could be an ordo/ordo pairing, which wouldn't completely surprise me. I just find it interesting that there were specifically enough roles (i.e. wolf, gifted) for half of the village to have one. It seems too neat for me. Or am I overanalzying?


Anyway I need to take care of a few things then I'll finish Lari.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:44 PM
Wait, or a gifted-wolf pairing (making either me or the Ranger's lover a wolf)....but like I said Day 1 I don't think that is likely because Gwath said in the admin thread that wolves may be paired with ords, but nothing about being paired with gifteds.

gah, just confusing myself again...nevermind

To be open-minded, I did ask Gwath about that and he replied saying that anyone could be paired with anyone. I still think he'd have done it equally though. Dunno.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:45 PM
Of course, just not when you're spouting Princess Bride quotes while serenading Boro at the same time.

And why the heck not?!?!?!?!




++Alona!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 04:45 PM
Well I don't know it because there still could be an ordo/ordo pairing, which wouldn't completely surprise me. I just find it interesting that there were specifically enough roles (i.e. wolf, gifted) for half of the village to have one. It seems too neat for me. Or am I overanalzying?



That's how I'm thinking it too. That way everyone either has a role or is Lovers with someone who does. It just seems the most likely to me.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:49 PM
That's how I'm thinking it too. That way everyone either has a role or is Lovers with someone who does. It just seems the most likely to me.

Alona, what do you think about this?

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 04:50 PM
Plus plus plus, in the admin thread Gwath wanted either 12 or 14 players, and he wanted a traditional lover role. I bet he got rid of that because we ended up with 12, if there had been 14 those last 2 ords not paired with a gifted or a wolf would have become the traditional Lovers.

It just makes more sense to me this way. I'm not saying I'm definitely right and that we shouldn't consider other combinations, I just think this is more likely, from a Mod's point of view.

alonariel
01-17-2010, 04:55 PM
Alona, what do you think about this?

Her comment makes sense, I guess, after my post about the lovers and her post, too.

This was what I originally posted:

Sally/Glirdan - gifted/innocent
Shasta/Alona - unknown/innocent (yeah, I know, no hard proof yet)
Morsul/Wilwa - hunter/unknown
Rikae/Izzy - innocent/unknown
Nog/Lottie - unknown/innocent
Dun/Lari - unknown/unknownprobablyinnocent

If there are ordo-ordo pairings, then they would have to either be Shasta/me, Rikae/Izzy, Nog/Lottie or Dun/Lari...which is way more confusing to think about than if we narrow it down. I think it makes the game the most fair though, giving each ordo a gifted or lupine lover. It evens things out the most, which is what Gwath would want, I assume.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 04:58 PM
That's how I'm thinking it too. That way everyone either has a role or is Lovers with someone who does. It just seems the most likely to me.That's what I though initially as well. And now as we talk about this, that was one of the reasons I suspected Lottie as she didn't look like a gifted - so I thought she could be a wolf then.

My dilemma right now is that I need to go to sleep like asap. and actually my guts say I should vote Izzy for her defence of me from Sally's "analysis" - instead of you guys who are planning to lynch me and letting the wolves win... Gah!

I mean look at this: While I was reading Sally's rundown of Nog, sorry - but I couldn't help but laugh a little. It just seems so fabricated, and.. over the top flimsy to me. Hindsight tends to be 20/20... but condemning someone with it, is just... o.O
Why would an ordo say something like that? Or look at the detached tone of it... A wolf might wish to ease up any possible further suspicion by me (maybe some analysis I might do?) by showing that kind of understanding and good will to make me feel nice with her. (And sorry Izzy if you're innocent - with these suicidal guys you'd then be the only voice of reason here.)

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:58 PM
Her comment makes sense, I guess, after my post about the lovers and her post, too.

This was what I originally posted:

Sally/Glirdan - gifted/innocent
Shasta/Alona - unknown/innocent (yeah, I know, no hard proof yet)
Morsul/Wilwa - hunter/unknown
Rikae/Izzy - innocent/unknown
Nog/Lottie - unknown/innocent
Dun/Lari - unknown/unknownprobablyinnocent

If there are ordo-ordo pairings, then they would have to either be Shasta/me, Rikae/Izzy, Nog/Lottie or Dun/Lari...which is way more confusing to think about than if we narrow it down. I think it makes the game the most fair though, giving each ordo a gifted or lupine lover. It evens things out the most, which is what Gwath would want, I assume.

Me too, and I have some pretty compelling arguments about the situation working out like that. (Also, good point about the initial two extra lovers, Wilwa.) In fact, Nog's the bit that's confusing me. *grumbles* Blah. I need to think.


I wish Gwath was around more often to answer questions. Meh.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 04:59 PM
That's what I though initially as well. And now as we talk about this, that was one of the reasons I suspected Lottie as she didn't look like a gifted - so I thought she could be a wolf then.

My dilemma right now is that I need to go to sleep like asap. and actually my guts say I should vote Izzy for her defence of me from Sally's "analysis" - instead of you guys who are planning to lynch me and letting the wolves win... Gah!

I mean look at this: Why would an ordo say something like that? Or look at the detached tone of it... A wolf might wish to ease up any possible further suspicion by me (maybe some analysis I might do?) by showing that kind of understanding and good will to make me feel nice with her. (And sorry Izzy if you're innocent - with these suicidal guys you'd then be the only voice of reason here.)

Nog, Izzy isn't the ranger, so if you need to go to bed she's a safe vote.

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 05:01 PM
Then if we go off of that it makes Nog a likely Wolf, since he "probably" isn't an ord, and since Sally has called the Ranger a "she", so he can't be gifted.

Then whoever is paired with the Ranger is an ord, I already know I am. So the last two wolves would have to be either Izzy or among the pairs of Dun/Lari and Shasta/Alona. And I'm assuming Sally's dreamt of atleast one of them.

Sally, your mystery dream is driving me nuts with curiosity, but I'm being patient cause I trust your judgement. ;)

x'ed with a couple

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:03 PM
Then if we go off of that it makes Nog a likely Wolf, since he "probably" isn't an ord, and since Sally has called the Ranger a "she", so he can't be gifted.

Then whoever is paired with the Ranger is an ord, I already know I am. So the last two wolves would have to be either Izzy or among the pairs of Dun/Lari and Shasta/Alona. And I'm assuming Sally's dreamt of atleast one of them.

Sally, your mystery dream is driving me nuts with curiosity, but I'm being patient cause I trust your judgement. ;)

Quite possibly, but I'm not sure on him yet so I'd rather not vote him toDay. He's said some things these last few posts that make me think he really is innocent.


And that's my purpose! :p

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 05:07 PM
Right now, I'm thinking that Nog, Izzy and Inzil are our wolves, based on a mix of gut, suspiciousness and my theory.


And that's my purpose!

I can see that. :rolleyes::p

I have 1 more hour and then I need to run for a few hours (staff party, whoopie!). But I'll be back for the last few hours before DL (which is in a little less then 5 hours, right?)

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 05:08 PM
Sally. If you're the seer (which I hope you are - it's just your act that doesn't make you look like one), please reconsider what you've been doing the last hour or so. And I'm not talking about you suspecting me. I'm not going to say more. You should understand.


I don't know.

It's easy to see hybris (hubris in American) has taken Sally and she is blind now. But alona and Wilwa follow so nicely suit.

Of those wilwa is the seasoned one so I'd think she should be able to calm down - or to take advantage. And she is also the one who seems to press on when the going looks good for her.

So it will be wilwa or Izzy for me. Probably wilwa.

I'll think about it for a moment.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:08 PM
Right now, I'm thinking that Nog, Izzy and Inzil are our wolves, based on a mix of gut, suspiciousness and my theory.




I can see that. :rolleyes::p

I have 1 more hour and then I need to run for a few hours (staff party, whoopie!). But I'll be back for the last few hours before DL (which is in a little less then 5 hours, right?)

Heh. Love you too, princess. ;)


And yes, five hours give or take.


EDIT: x'd with Nog

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:12 PM
Sally. If you're the seer (which I hope you are - it's just your act that doesn't make you look like one), please reconsider what you've been doing the last hour or so. And I'm not talking about you suspecting me. I'm not going to say more. You should understand.


I don't know.

It's easy to see hybris (hubris in American) has taken Sally and she is blind now. But alona and Wilwa follow so nicely suit.

Of those wilwa is the seasoned one so I'd think she should be able to calm down - or to take advantage. And she is also the one who seems to press on when the going looks good for her.

So it will be wilwa or Izzy for me. Probably wilwa.

I'll think about it for a moment.



Ahhhh. Okay, that's what I assumed you meant and it was a different spelling. :)
(Also, of course I'm the seer, you silly thing. I said I was and there'd be no reason for me to lie about it unless I was protecting the real seer. Which I'm not.)

And I do understand. The problem is that you don't understand what I'm truly doing, or at least I don't think you do. Not that I'm saying you don't know what's going on, but....well, you know how much I like to enjoy myself. :rolleyes:


If my opinion matters, I'd prefer Izzy. I think Wilwa's probably innocent.

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 05:16 PM
Uhm. Sally I really hope you have a wolf. Cause if you do the math, we lose if we don't lynch a wolf toDay.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:18 PM
Uhm. Sally I really hope you have a wolf. Cause if you do the math, we lose if we don't lynch a wolf toDay.

I do. Honestly, I do, so don't worry. If I didn't I would have told you by now. And I have more or less absolute faith in our sweet ranger because they love me and are clever. ;)

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 05:19 PM
I do. Honestly, I do, so don't worry. If I didn't I would have told you by now. And I have more or less absolute faith in our sweet ranger because they love me and are clever. ;)

*sighs in relief*

Good girl. *gives cookie*

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:20 PM
*sighs in relief*

Good girl. *gives cookie*



Lol. You didn't trust me? I'm legitimitely hurt. :(


K, I'm off to make a Very Important Post. Back later, but I'll keep track of the thread. :)

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 05:21 PM
And I do understand. The problem is that you don't understand what I'm truly doing, or at least I don't think you do. Not that I'm saying you don't know what's going on, but....well, you know how much I like to enjoy myself. :rolleyes:Well, I'm afraid you talk of another thing I do. But well, whatever. I'm just afraid.

If my opinion matters, I'd prefer Izzy. I think Wilwa's probably innocent.
I actually disagree here even if I'm suspecting Izzy as well. Wilwa looks so opportunistic to press for an interpretation I know is not true that it makes me suspect her more (for is she were a wolf that would suit her just perfectly!) - not to talk of her voting I referred to earlier.

Or are you implying Izzy is in fact a wolf?

Isabellkya
01-17-2010, 05:22 PM
I'm back from lunch, and yay for lots of posts to read.

X'd with Nog and Sally.

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 05:22 PM
Of course I trust you.

But should you reveal them now then....cause I'm sure Noggy would rather vote for a wolf, and the more people to vote for them the better, just in case, we don't want people coming on and voting before you reveal it, just incase the votes end up getting swayed by the baddies or something....up to you, I'm just saying, nothing else much going on and no harm could come from you saying it now, but Abigail could die on you or something and then we're cooked.

Yes, I am aware that I am paranoid....

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 05:28 PM
Okay. Bedtime for me then.

If you Sally don't think it wise to reveal your dream then let's just cross our fingers there are enough ordos to vote for the wolf... YesterDay three people didn't vote and with these numbers the wolves could easily outvote us if not everybody voted.

Sorry Sally, but not a Day for nice traps. I can't stay awake for long now - and if I vote the wrong way we might lose the Day and the game as then it takes only one ordo not to vote and we can be busted.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:28 PM
I'm back from lunch, and yay for lots of posts to read.

X'd with Nog and Sally.

There she is, Miss Dreamt Wolfiekins
There she is, your lynchee
The dream of a seer who's been waiting (impatiently) for her to come back home
For she is, you see, the one the wolves call their own

There she is, Miss Dreamt Wolfiekins
There she is, your lynchee
With so many PMs she took our Rikae away
With her buddies _____ and _____. Well, hey....

Folks, here she is
Waiting to lynch, she is
Furriest of the fur, she is
There she is - Miss Dreamt Wolfiekins



Took you long enough to get back, woman. Geez.

Nogrod
01-17-2010, 05:31 PM
So it is Izzy!

++ Izzy

Okay good Night.


Let's not forget Lari and wilwa ...

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:33 PM
So it is Izzy!

++ Izzy

Okay good Night.


Let's not forget Lari and wilwa ...


Heh. Good night dear. :)

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:35 PM
Aaaand that was anti-climactic. :(

Isabellkya
01-17-2010, 05:36 PM
Rofl.
If you think I'm a wolf Sally, then why not a vote?

Took me long enough to get back?
Haha. Was reading a book while eating lunch, and then just kept on reading. xD

X'd with Nogx2 and Sally.

alonariel
01-17-2010, 05:38 PM
Aaaand that was anti-climactic. :(

You drew it out, my dear - but for good reason, of course!

++Izzy

And Nog, let's not forget about you or Shasta...

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 05:40 PM
Thank you Sally. :D Sorry I was so pushy, wasn't lack of faith in you, it was more intense fear of the wolfies...

Let's not forget Lari and wilwa ...

Is it odd that I find Nog's suspicion of me flattering? I think it might be a little bit odd. :p

So, I suppose I'll just vote for Izzy now, just to be safe, incase this party goes later then expected, ya never know,

++Izzy

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:40 PM
Rofl.
If you think I'm a wolf Sally, then why not a vote?

Took me long enough to get back?
Haha. Was reading a book while eating lunch, and then just kept on reading. xD

X'd with Nogx2 and Sally.

As you wish. (And yes, that was just to bug Alona.)

++Izzy


EDIT: x'd with Wilwa. I do believe that makes four votes. Seems the best Iz could manage now would be a tie. ;)

alonariel
01-17-2010, 05:41 PM
RL is calling (though I'd rather be on here) and I'll do my best to make it back before DL.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:43 PM
Heh. Well I'd hoped I could wait until Izzy came back and talked a bit more, but since I couldn't subtely press Nog into voting her I decided I had no choice. Meh.

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 05:45 PM
Oh, and Sally, your Sweeney parody was lovely. :D

And I'm actually going to run off now for a while. I might pop on for a bit later on, incase anything exciting is happening then. But if not, then good Night everyone, and I hope to see you all alive and well next Day. :)

Isabellkya
01-17-2010, 05:46 PM
Hahahaha.
Just seemed funny that you were all wolfwolfwolf, then didn't vote.

Byebye for this ordo.


X'd with Wilwa and Sally.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:46 PM
Oh, and Sally, your Sweeney parody was lovely. :D

And I'm actually going to run off now for a while. I might pop on for a bit later on, incase anything exciting is happening then. But if not, then good Night everyone, and I hope to see you all alive and well next Day. :)

Wait. What? Lol did I do a parody in my sleep? I've not done Sweeney since Kit's game. *mind is boggled* Erm, thanks?


Indeed. Have fun (and be safe)! Later! :D

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:46 PM
Hahahaha.
Just seemed funny that you were all wolfwolfwolf, then didn't vote.

Byebye for this ordo.

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:47 PM
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff fffffffffffffffffffffffft. Right.

Of course I don't suppose there's a chance you'd be cooperative? :p

Isabellkya
01-17-2010, 05:50 PM
Cooperative on the way to the gallows? Indeed my fate is not sealed entirely yet.
But you claim I was dreamed, and thus others will follow.
But when fur fails to sprout upon my dead body... I'll hold back from saying I told ya so. xD

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 05:51 PM
There she is, Miss Dreamt Wolfiekins
There she is, your lynchee
The dream of a seer who's been waiting (impatiently) for her to come back home
For she is, you see, the one the wolves call their own

There she is, Miss Dreamt Wolfiekins
There she is, your lynchee
With so many PMs she took our Rikae away
With her buddies _____ and _____. Well, hey....

Folks, here she is
Waiting to lynch, she is
Furriest of the fur, she is
There she is - Miss Dreamt Wolfiekins


This screams Mrs Lovett to me, am I delusional??? ;) I suppose I might be....

Going for real now, and yes I will have fun! :D

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:53 PM
Cooperative on the way to the gallows? Indeed my fate is not sealed entirely yet.
But you claim I was dreamed, and thus others will follow.
But when fur fails to sprout upon my dead body... I'll hold back from saying I told ya so. xD

Nice try, princess. I'll give you a cookie if you play nice, ya know. :)

And believe me, you're dead. I know for a fact that while one of your partners hasn't voted, one of them has. So you can't possibly even reach a tie. (And no, that doesn't mean I know two wolves, of course. It just means that, after doing some math, there's no possibility that both Dun and Shasta are wolves.)

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 05:54 PM
This screams Mrs Lovett to me, am I delusional??? ;) I suppose I might be....

Going for real now, and yes I will have fun! :D

Oh. Lol no it's actually the Miss America theme tune thing. :p



Yay! (And there may or may not be a real Sweeney parody waiting for you when you get back.)

Isabellkya
01-17-2010, 06:02 PM
*shrug*
You'll just have to wait and see, then eh.

The thing with the theory about how the pairings were set up.
Can you guarantee that they weren't random?
That gwath went oh, I think the pairings will be like "this, this, this."

Because doing things like that as non-random can lead to patterns. I think I've seen a pattern emerge in a game, perhaps once when roles and things were assigned randomly. That pattern emerged only when you put the players' names in alphabetical order, and it included shortened names. It was quite amusing.

Thought you could probably get into an entire discussion about how using a role-randomizer on the internet can't possibly be truly random. Because it would have to use a mathematical equation, and how do you make a mathematical equation give random results.

Such obvious patterns are icky in these types of games.
Also, theories about assumed information have already been proven to be incorrect.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 06:05 PM
*shrug*
You'll just have to wait and see, then eh.

The thing with the theory about how the pairings were set up.
Can you guarantee that they weren't random?
That gwath went oh, I think the pairings will be like "this, this, this."

Because doing things like that as non-random can lead to patterns. I think I've seen a pattern emerge in a game, perhaps once when roles and things were assigned randomly. That pattern emerged only when you put the players' names in alphabetical order, and it included shortened names. It was quite amusing.

Thought you could probably get into an entire discussion about how using a role-randomizer on the internet can't possibly be truly random. Because it would have to use a mathematical equation, and how do you make a mathematical equation give random results.

Such obvious patterns are icky in these types of games.
Also, theories about assumed information have already been proven to be incorrect.

Oh yeah, totally. I just think it's possible Gwath wanted it to turn out a certain way. If not, meh, but it was fun speculating.


And at this point it hardly matters. Even if I'm dead come Morning (which hopefully I won't be) the village will have enough information to get your packies.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 06:09 PM
Btw, as loony as it sounds, my original plan was made assuming I'd be targeted again last Night. I figured I'd be screwed so I could just keep my knowledge to myself and let the lynch go any way it wanted (except Izzy or the ranger) and then leave the village with a free lynch toMorrow. That way they'd have more to base stuff on, and I'd be able to maybe flush out Izzy's packmates a bit. But alas, such was not the case. So you lot have to put up with me again toMorrow. ^_^

Inziladun
01-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Ah! A nice welcome home after being gone all day. :)
First things first:

++Izzy

Now for a closer look at other things.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 07:06 PM
And now everyone's left me? :(

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 07:50 PM
*whimpers*

I'm all alone, there's no one here beside me....etc.

Inziladun
01-17-2010, 07:56 PM
Bloody hell. A lot of stuff about the lover pairings, which it's really hard to keep track of with a five year old little girl tugging on my sleeve . :rolleyes::)
So it seems clear we've got one wolf down. Of the other two, I'm leaning toward Shasta very possibly being one of them. I know he has RL stuff going, but he just feels like the classical submarine wolf: doing well at blending into the background quietly, avoiding controversy and notice.
Who else? Wilwa is starting to worry me. ToDay she seems to really be making a point of saying 'Look at me! I'm here! I'm helping!'
Also:

This still bothers me. I'd happily die if it meant the Ranger could survive, especially since our Seer needs him so much. Yes wolves are our priority, but Sally can give us an advantage over the wolves, therefore keeping the Ranger alive keeps her alive and stays on track with our objective. I don't really get why he objected to this.

Admittedly, that was a knee-jerk reaction. I was thinking: 'Sally said she didn't have a wolf. So why would this be a good idea?' It made sense afterward, and I waited around for Sally, who ultimately didn't show up.

Sally: I don't think the Ranger needs to hint to you whether they protected you or not, too risky for him, cause he needs to stay alive as long as possible so he can protect you as long as possible.

Want a cracker? Seems I saw that earlier toDay....

Then if we go off of that it makes Nog a likely Wolf, since he "probably" isn't an ord, and since Sally has called the Ranger a "she", so he can't be gifted.

That doesn't sit well with me. I don't care for the scrutiny of Sally's wordings. I think she's got a plan going, and that looks too much like prying for prying's sake.

Let's see, what else?

Basically we were reading over how Lottie was going along with Sally's reveal and trusting it, and how Inzil was too, and then Lari (who also missed the clue in the narration until Shasta pointed it out to the both of us) wondered, "how do they know she was the target?" Because, ever since she started playing, she said that narrations never gave away who the attempted Night kills were.

I still don't see how anyone could have missed the fact that Sally was the intended target, when the use of the characters in the narrative was entirely consistent with the Day 1 narrative about Glirdan and Morsul.
Overall, though. I still don't know about alona. She's been here quite a bit toDay, and nothing new really stands out as evil, I'll say that much.

If you lynch me - you lose. That simple.

Unless:
a) the ranger gives you one more Day to try
b) you're a wolf after some odd laziness by your real seer and then as a wolf you win

On the second one: Lottie was an ordinary innocent and I am an ordinary innocent. I do trust what the mod writes in the roles department after the narrations and the PM's he sends me concerning my role - so I tend to say I know it.

Also I know you don't know it. But I only said I know it.

I tend to be suspicious of people who make statements like 'You lose if I die.' It also worries me that he was not receptive to Sally's hints about who to vote for, knowing that she had a wolf, which forced Sally to reveal the dream earlier than she wanted. Then again, Wilwa was pushing for a reveal as well.
I feel pretty confident the final wolf is one of those two. And if Shasta's innocent, maybe both?

alonariel
01-17-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm here, Sal, able to escape for a little bit. Let's see how long I can evade my family?

I still don't see how anyone could have missed the fact that Sally was the intended target, when the use of the characters in the narrative was entirely consistent with the Day 1 narrative about Glirdan and Morsul.
Overall, though. I still don't know about alona. She's been here quite a bit toDay, and nothing new really stands out as evil, I'll say that much.

Eh, okay I didn't want to admit this but I usually don't pay much attention to the narration unless it involves me. Self-centered, I know, but it's the truth. I also didn't pay much attention to which specific character people signed up for. I remember I was Janey, because I wrote an IC post in the first game, and Nog was Johnny 99 because he was my lover last game, but other than that, I really didn't pay much attention to the character names after that, hence me glancing over (not really reading) and missing that Sally's character name was used in the narration.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 08:33 PM
Oooo goodie, company! *bounces* Lol I was about to fall asleep.


What shall we talk about?

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 08:35 PM
Oh. Lol no it's actually the Miss America theme tune thing. :p


Haha, I think I may have been singing it to the tune of Worst Pies in London....do not ask me why. :p

So not too much happening. I'm gonna go to bed then. Good luck everyone!

x'ed with Alona and Sally...maybe now that people are here I will stay around...we'll see

alonariel
01-17-2010, 08:37 PM
What shall we talk about?

Hmm...not quite sure. Lari has informed me that she made it to LA in one piece, so I expect she should be on some time later to vote. Nog has gone to bed so my main source of debatey-ness is gone for the Day. We may have to send out an APB for Shasta :eek:

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 08:39 PM
Haha, I think I may have been singing it to the tune of Worst Pies in London....do not ask me why. :p

So not too much happening. I'm gonna go to bed then. Good luck everyone!

x'ed with Alona and Sally...maybe now that people are here I will stay around...we'll see

There might be a pie in it for you if you do. ;)

And I dunno why either. Hehe. ^_^

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 08:42 PM
For pie, I suppose I'll stay.

So what's the subject of discussion ladies??

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 08:42 PM
Hmm...not quite sure. Lari has informed me that she made it to LA in one piece, so I expect she should be on some time later to vote. Nog has gone to bed so my main source of debatey-ness is gone for the Day. We may have to send out an APB for Shasta :eek:

I'm gonna text him just to see if he's gonna make it back.

Inziladun
01-17-2010, 08:43 PM
Hmm...not quite sure. Lari has informed me that she made it to LA in one piece, so I expect she should be on some time later to vote. Nog has gone to bed so my main source of debatey-ness is gone for the Day. We may have to send out an APB for Shasta :eek:

She's already voted for Shasta. Good to know she made it safely.

alonariel
01-17-2010, 08:45 PM
For pie, I suppose I'll stay.

So what's the subject of discussion ladies??

Yay! Well, there's Nog's suspicion of you, Inzil's suspicion of Nog, my suspicion of Shasta and Nog. It's pretty much a finger pointer contest at this point. At least we'll get a wolf toDay!

alonariel
01-17-2010, 08:46 PM
She's already voted for Shasta. Good to know she made it safely.

Eek I forgot that she voted already. Seriously, my memory is failing me at the ripe old age of 18...

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 08:46 PM
For pie, I suppose I'll stay.

So what's the subject of discussion ladies??

Well I'd say the other two wolves.


Here's how we stand. Well, I should say here's what we know.

Sally/Glirdan: seer/ordo
Morsul/Wilwa: hunter/unknown
Izzy/Rikae: wolf/ordo
Lottie/Nog: ordo/unknown
Shasta/Alona: unknown/Unknown
Dun/Lari: unknown/unknown



So we have five unknowns. (Six for you, of course.)

Wilwa
Nog
Shasta
Alona
Dun
Lari

One of them is the ranger, two of them are wolves. Which do you think the wolves are? *yawns* Yeah, I just need to keep on here so I don't fall asleep. I've already sent in my dream and want to be awake when Gwath responds later.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 08:47 PM
Eek I forgot that she voted already. Seriously, my memory is failing me at the ripe old age of 18...

Thanks so much for making me feel old, dear. :rolleyes:

alonariel
01-17-2010, 08:51 PM
Thanks so much for making me feel old, dear. :rolleyes:

Sorry! Still love me?

alonariel
01-17-2010, 08:53 PM
One of them is the ranger, two of them are wolves. Which do you think the wolves are? *yawns* Yeah, I just need to keep on here so I don't fall asleep. I've already sent in my dream and want to be awake when Gwath responds later.

I don't want to say who I think the Ranger is because s/he could still be of good use, so here's my thoughts:

Wilwa - ordo (probably)
Nog - wolf (maybe?)
Shasta - wolf
Alona - ordo
Dun - ordo (not sure)
Lari - ordo

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 08:54 PM
K:

Wilwa
Nog
Shasta
Alona
Dun
Lari

Well I know I'm innocent. I'm starting to feel good about Alona, and Lari hasn't done anything to make me think bad of her, but I'm not positive or anything there. So out of the boys I'm more inclined towards Inzil and Nog being guilty, then Shasta.

Hmm. So supposing there is a Night kill toNight, we'll be down to 5 on that unknown list tomorrow. But then Sally's dream will bring us to 4. If the Ranger reveals themselves tomorrow we're down to 3, and then we're pretty much guaranteed a win.

Hopefully that's how it goes then.

x'ed with Alona

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 08:56 PM
Incidentally, I'd like to point out that, had Izzy jumped onto Lari's vote, the other wolf (or wolves) could have popped on before (or even after, if they had HUGE manhoods) and quite possibly secured at least a tie. Fortunately they didn't. :p


Also, I'm very inclined to think Nog innocent at this point, especially when I consider my above statement. If he is in the pack and knew I was going to reveal a wolf, I think he would jump onto the nearest bandwaggon to save whoever I was going to reveal. (Of course if Shasta was a wolf he'd be doing something very stupid, but that's beside the point.) But at the very least he didn't just say "Oh, I have to go, I'll just vote whoever" and leave; he actually asked me why I had the preference I did and if he should follow it. So yeah, I think we should leave him be, at least unless he does something really nassssty. ;)

alonariel
01-17-2010, 08:57 PM
If the Ranger reveals themselves tomorrow we're down to 3, and then we're pretty much guaranteed a win.

This math makes Alona very, very happy! And Alona hates math, with a passion. Just ask Lari.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 08:59 PM
K:

Wilwa
Nog
Shasta
Alona
Dun
Lari

Well I know I'm innocent. I'm starting to feel good about Alona, and Lari hasn't done anything to make me think bad of her, but I'm not positive or anything there. So out of the boys I'm more inclined towards Inzil and Nog being guilty, then Shasta.

Hmm. So supposing there is a Night kill toNight, we'll be down to 5 on that unknown list tomorrow. But then Sally's dream will bring us to 4. If the Ranger reveals themselves tomorrow we're down to 3, and then we're pretty much guaranteed a win.

Hopefully that's how it goes then.

x'ed with Alona

No you won't, because if there's a kill it'll probably be me.

My two top choices are Lari and Dun (although I gave up doing an analysis, sorry, because I kept losing my train of thought). Of the rest I'll not say, because....yeah.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 09:00 PM
Sorry! Still love me?

Oh, I suppose. And to be fair, I feel old today anyway. :p

alonariel
01-17-2010, 09:01 PM
Also, I'm very inclined to think Nog innocent at this point, especially when I consider my above statement. If he is in the pack and knew I was going to reveal a wolf, I think he would jump onto the nearest bandwaggon to save whoever I was going to reveal. (Of course if Shasta was a wolf he'd be doing something very stupid, but that's beside the point.) But at the very least he didn't just say "Oh, I have to go, I'll just vote whoever" and leave; he actually asked me why I had the preference I did and if he should follow it. So yeah, I think we should leave him be, at least unless he does something really nassssty. ;)

Good reasoning, and I'll give him a fair chance toMorrow to sniff out a wolf instead of getting into another debate with him all hot-headed like and all. That said, I think we talked about earlier on in the game about how wolves wouldn't mind lynching a pack mate in order to cast suspicion off of them and secure an eventual win. And having said that, I have seen nearly no interaction between Izzy and Nog, which does make me inclined to think he's innocent - but again, he made the case Day 1 about how when a wolf's in a corner, fellow wolves will do what they can to distance themselves when put in the spotlight.

But like I said, with the low numbers I will take things slow and take everything into account before jumping on someone.

alonariel
01-17-2010, 09:03 PM
Oh, I suppose. And to be fair, I feel old today anyway. :p

How come? :(

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 09:04 PM
Good reasoning, and I'll give him a fair chance toMorrow to sniff out a wolf instead of getting into another debate with him all hot-headed like and all. That said, I think we talked about earlier on in the game about how wolves wouldn't mind lynching a pack mate in order to cast suspicion off of them and secure an eventual win. And having said that, I have seen nearly no interaction between Izzy and Nog, which does make me inclined to think he's innocent - but again, he made the case Day 1 about how when a wolf's in a corner, fellow wolves will do what they can to distance themselves when put in the spotlight.

But like I said, with the low numbers I will take things slow and take everything into account before jumping on someone.

Well, you are right a bit, but considering that he was going to vote her over you makes me think that his suspicion of her was/is genuine. That and Izzy had said something of him before that made me suspect they'd not be together. (Of course now I can't remember what it is. Rubbish.)

wilwarin538
01-17-2010, 09:04 PM
Falling asleep at the keyboard here so I'm gonna call it a night.


Good night everyone!

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 09:05 PM
How come? :(

*shrugs*

Hmmmm. Now what about Dun? I can't decide if I suspect him legitimately or am just paranoid.


ETA: x'd with Wilwa. G'night, dear. Hopefully I'll see you toMorrow.

alonariel
01-17-2010, 09:10 PM
Well, you are right a bit, but considering that he was going to vote her over you makes me think that his suspicion of her was/is genuine. That and Izzy had said something of him before that made me suspect they'd not be together. (Of course now I can't remember what it is. Rubbish.)

Very true, but then that would have been the third time Nog has voted for me, where no one else has except Lottie, and that was admitted to be a self-saving vote.

Hmmmm. Now what about Dun? I can't decide if I suspect him legitimately or am just paranoid..

I've got mixed feelings about him. Lottie's hard core suspicion of him Day 1 has me thinking something is there, but all his posts seem oddly neutral when it comes to the point of debating or analyzing something. I honestly can't get a read on him other than gut which tells me simply ordo because nothing pops out as evil for me. I had this same problem in my first game, reading people I'd never played with before. It messed me up with Lottie, Izzy and now it's happening with Inzil, too.

I've got some time to look back over his posts. Even though we've got our lynch pretty much settled toDay, an analysis would help, yeah?

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 09:12 PM
Yup, go for it. I'm not all here, so I probably would get all sorts of loopy conclusions. :)

Inziladun
01-17-2010, 09:13 PM
Well, you are right a bit, but considering that he was going to vote her over you makes me think that his suspicion of her was/is genuine. That and Izzy had said something of him before that made me suspect they'd not be together. (Of course now I can't remember what it is. Rubbish.)

Actually, he was looking hard at Wilwa before you came out with your dream.

I actually disagree here even if I'm suspecting Izzy as well. Wilwa looks so opportunistic to press for an interpretation I know is not true that it makes me suspect her more (for is she were a wolf that would suit her just perfectly!) - not to talk of her voting I referred to earlier.

Or are you implying Izzy is in fact a wolf?

It was only after you outright said Izzy was a wolf that he accepted that and voted her. Before, it looks to me as if he might have been throwing out some weak suspicion of Izzy, which could have been wolf-on-wolf. I'm far from sure about him, though.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 09:18 PM
Actually, he was looking hard at Wilwa before you came out with your dream.



It was only after you outright said Izzy was a wolf that he accepted that and voted her. Before, it looks to me as if he might have been throwing out some weak suspicion of Izzy, which could have been wolf-on-wolf. I'm far from sure about him, though.

Hmmmm. You do have a point. To me, however, it looked like he was equally all right with voting either of them. Of course he could have been testing the waters so to speak, and I'm certainly not saying to consider him innocent, but for the moment I think I'm all right with letting him go.

Shastanis Althreduin
01-17-2010, 09:37 PM
Here and reading and not in the best of moods. I have two pages to catch up on (and no, that's not why I'm in a bad mood, so don't worry, :p.)

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 09:40 PM
Here and reading and not in the best of moods. I have two pages to catch up on (and no, that's not why I'm in a bad mood, so don't worry, :p.)

*snuggles you*

Shastanis Althreduin
01-17-2010, 09:48 PM
++Izzy

to get that out of the way. Also, major, major apologies for not being here today - I got dragged along to a birthday party that lasted FOREVER OMG. And it wasn't even one of my friends. Not fun.

Shastanis Althreduin
01-17-2010, 09:49 PM
I don't guess there's a whole lot more to say toDay, is there? Hopefully I'll have some insights toMorrow.

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 09:50 PM
I don't guess there's a whole lot more to say toDay, is there? Hopefully I'll have some insights toMorrow.

Well is there any way to get a quick list of how you feel about everyone else? Mehbe?

satansaloser2005
01-17-2010, 09:59 PM
Well I suppose that's it for toDay then. Ranger, it's all up to you now. Rock on. ;)


Night everyone! :)

Gwathagor
01-17-2010, 10:00 PM
Izzy is dead. She was the betrayer.

***
Night 4 has begun.


The Living
Johnny 99 - [I]Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent
Rosalita - Loslote - Innocent
Mary - Rikae - Innocent
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya - The Betrayer (Wolf)

Gwathagor
01-18-2010, 10:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHLJ6IRb6k

Sandy dreamed. She dreamed of kids driving aimlessly through town, music loud. She dreamed she saw lovers walking hand in hand, laughing. She dreamed of alleys without shadows, of a city without disappointment, of a land where hope never let you down. She dreamed that she had never been alone and never would be.

She remembered slow-dancing in the dark on the beach at Stockton's Wing, holding someone tight as tight as she could. She remembered all those long evenings at Greasy Lake. Days at the circus. Wild Billy and his friend G-Man, flying through town. Evenings with Mary out at the race track. Rosie leading through the steps of the E-Street Shuffle. She remembered the carefree, innocent years, when life had seemed so far away.

Then she was awake, standing in the doorway just out of the rain. The city hit her like a slap in the face: the girls on the corner, the rain pouring down, the dark and silent cars which crept through the streets. She strained her ears, listening for some happy sound. Far off, she thought she heard a motorcycle, but it was too far away to tell. Tears welled up in her eyes and she stepped out into the rain, raising her face and hands to the sky. There were footsteps. She turned.

BLAM!

Sandy fell to the wet pavement, shot dead.

***
Day 4 has begun.

The Living
Johnny 99 - Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent
Rosalita - Loslote - Innocent
Mary - Rikae - Innocent
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya - The Betrayer (Wolf)
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally - The Dreamer (Seer)

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 08:45 AM
Wow no one has posted.


So this sucks. :( Poor Sally....

I need to change to a different room for class, but I'll be back on in like 20 minutes and I'll ignore my teacher (like usual) and provide some thoughts, in order to get things started.

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 08:56 AM
Well, we lost our Seer, but it's not over yet, folks. We can still win this, unless you've given up? :rolleyes:

I don't see us getting anything from the Izzy voters, because all her votes came after Sally outed her.

I think we have a good chance at getting a wolf with either Nog or Shasta. I was a bit concerned yesterDay with the way Wilwa seemed to be hanging on Sally's every word, and making what appeared to be a concerted effort to appear helpful and innocent. However, I think Nog looks worse than she at this point. I noted the way he seemed unwilling to take the hint from Sally that he should vote Izzy, needing a full admission from Sally about her dream before voting for her, even though he had thrown out some weak suspicion of Izzy. Sally had obviously not wanted to reveal the dream just yet, and it's hard for me to see someone as perceptive as Nog missing the hints.

Shasta still feels bad to me as well. I know he says he's been busy, but he's been around so little any serious analysis of him looks to be well-nigh impossible. And he didn't respond to Sally's request for his thoughts before DL, though he had about 10 minutes, time enough to post something.

Anyway, back at work toDay, looking in as I can.

x/d with Wilwa (after nearly 11 hours of nothing)

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 09:07 AM
Who's left:

Nogrod
Inziladun
Shasta
Alonariel
Wilwarin
Lariren

2 are wolves, 1 is the Ranger, then 3 ords. If we don't get a wolf today, then we most likely lose.

So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight.

Looking at the Lover pairs:

Sally/Glirdan: seer/ordo
Morsul/Wilwa: hunter/unknown
Izzy/Rikae: wolf/ordo
Lottie/Nog: ordo/unknown
Shasta/Alona: unknown/unknown
Dun/Lari: unknown/unknown

I know I'm an innocent. So either all of the pairs are a role (wolf, gifted) with an ordo, or Nog really is an ord and either the Shasta/Alona or the Dun/Lari pair is made up of two wolves. I still however see it as unlikely that there are 2 wolves paired together. Yes it's possible that a gifted could be paired with a wolf (I don't think so, but I'm staying open minded), which would implicate myself and whoever the Ranger is paired with.

Sally very clearly referred to the Ranger as being a SHE. So I'm not touching Alona or Lari toDay. (though I'm not actually really suspicious of either at this point anyway)

So I think that our wolves our among Inzil, Shasta and Nog. I'm kinda suspicious on some level of all three. But because of my little theory about the Lover pairings, Nog seems like the most likely wolf to me, so I think I might go with him. We'll see how the Day goes though.

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 09:24 AM
So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight.

Well, it would help narrow the field (assuming a wolf didn't make a false reveal), but the Ranger is the best weapon we have at this point. So I'm not sure.

Sally very clearly referred to the Ranger as being a SHE. So I'm not touching Alona or Lari toDay. (though I'm not actually really suspicious of either at this point anyway)

I feel somewhat better about alona, and I still don't get anything particularly wolfish from Lari.

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 09:30 AM
Also, Wilwa, you say your top three suspects are male, yet the Ranger, who you think is likely to be female, should reveal? :confused:

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 09:40 AM
Also, Wilwa, you say your top three suspects are male, yet the Ranger, who you think is likely to be female, should reveal? :confused:

Like I said later on, I don't find either of the girls suspicious anyway, so whether the Ranger reveals or not I'm not going to vote for either of them. I was more just putting out the idea for everyone's oppinion, incase someone saw some benefit to the reveal that I hadn't noticed.

Lariren Shadow
01-19-2010, 11:25 AM
Poor Sally, we will miss her.

Wilwa makes a good point about how Sally called the Ranger a she. So that narrows down our chances of guess who the Ranger is. So that leaves the wolf among the males.

I have no idea how Gwath paired people up but if we go with the idea that he didn't put wolves together, which goes with the whole "the Ranger is a she" then Nog, Inzil, or Shasta is a wolf, and probably two of them are packmates.

I want to hear more from Shasta on the point, mostly because he really hasn't been here. Nog and Inzil have been contributing.

alonariel
01-19-2010, 12:46 PM
At this point in the game, I think the best thing the Ranger can do is keep the ordo count up for as long as possible.

Of the three boys left, I'm most suspicious of Nog, less so of Shasta. It's a good point how Nog essentially forced Sally to reveal earlier than she would have liked. Her plan was to try and draw out information out of Izzy before exposing her, but with Nog insisting on a vote to back up her reveal, we weren't able to get anything. At that point, the only person to have voted was Lari. Though his vote might have been throwaway, there were still enough people left to secure a majority to lynch Izzy, yet Nog still insisted on having an outright vote from Sally.

As for Shasta, I really wish he would post more. I haven't been able to get any vibes from the content or rhythms of his posts. I'd really appreciate it if he posted a list or something that shows his suspicions at this point.

Knowing the Ranger is a she, though, means I most likely won't vote for either Lari or Wilwa.

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 12:54 PM
hmm hmm. Yeah, I'm leaning towards Nog and Inzil. But more strongly towards Nog. If nothing major occurs I'll probably go with him. There's still a big part of me that doesn't think two ords would be paired together, so he just seems most likely to me. This whole Day is nerve racking though, cause if we're wrong we've lost. Gosh, I wish Sally was still here, I was becoming so dependent on her. :(

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 01:43 PM
Well, we lost our Seer, but it's not over yet, folks. We can still win this, unless you've given up? :rolleyes:This must be the single most wolvish-looking sentence for toDay.

I was a bit concerned yesterDay with the way Wilwa seemed to be hanging on Sally's every word, and making what appeared to be a concerted effort to appear helpful and innocent.I do agree. And not only that, but also trying to get an innocent lynched with all her effort...


But as I see there are many voicing the idea (late yesterDay and toDay) that I'm one of the top candidates I think some speaking of sense would be in place to begin with.

However, I think Nog looks worse than she at this point. I noted the way he seemed unwilling to take the hint from Sally that he should vote Izzy, needing a full admission from Sally about her dream before voting for her, even though he had thrown out some weak suspicion of Izzy. Sally had obviously not wanted to reveal the dream just yet, and it's hard for me to see someone as perceptive as Nog missing the hints.Well I think I have a few things to say on this issue...

First of all, how did this thought of us knowing Sally had dreamt a wolf come from? At least to me it was not obvious and I didn't find it even now looking back the thread.

Sally said in her first post as an answer to alona's question "any luck dreaming of a wolf?" the following (boldings mine): As a matter of fact I might have. However....
Since toDay may be my last Day -again- I'd like to leave you lot a bit of something to chew on. That being said, I will reveal my dream(s) at the end of the Day. With the information I have (or even without it) we've nearly a 50/50 chance of lynching a wolf, which will greatly increase our chances of winning.To me and my understanding of English-language that seems like far from clear she had a wolf. Actually it looks like the contrary - but she was clearly wishing to play games with the wolves (like saying she had two wolves the Day before etc.). So at least I took that as something I couldn't and shouldn't rely on.

But actually that is no big deal - unless some wolves are trying to use wrong information (that we knew she had a wolf) as "evidence" to their fabricated cases against innocents.

If you Inzil, or anyone, go back the thread you see an interesting thing I only realised when Sally revealed Izzy was a wolf. She had suspected me the whole Day quite heavily, but after I had voiced my suspicions on Izzy here and entertained the idea whether I should actually vote her, Sally's tone actually changed. After wilwa rushed on to call me a likely wolf she actually said that: I'm not sure on him yet so I'd rather not vote him toDay. He's said some things these last few posts that make me think he really is innocent.Now why should that be? Well, in hindsight it looks quite clear: she saw I hit the right target and was thinking of voting her - and I had come to that conclusion without her helping me out with it, so I was an innocent - as I am.

Think carefully: if I was a wolf, I would need to have psychic powers to foresee it would be Izzy whom Sally had dreamt of and then make a case against her before Sally revealed her knowledge, just to look good. So sorry, you're grasping at straws here. Or should I say you're trying to get an innocent lynched on purpose?

Also you say I had made some "weak suspicions" on Izzy as a kind of downplaying of what I said there! Now that's wolf-talk as the wolves are the only ones to know for certain. I was actually a bit proud of myself to have noticed the sneakiness of her post (referred to up here) and to really take it seriously enough to consider voting her, or wilwa who seemed to be too busy trying to convince everyone why I should be lynched.

I had already come to the conclusion earlier that either Izzy or wilwa should be a wolf - or they both are / were (look here for details). But that early thought was based only on speculation on the PM-pairs (no wolf-wolf pair around that is), and as I had seen that many of you were wrong about the pairs (thinking there were no ordo-ordo pairs which I know is false), I had thought I could be wrong too about the pairs. But with Izzy's post and wilwa's willingness they both looked suspicious to me - and kind of confirmed my initial suspicions based on the PM-pairs.

You Inzil also say I was unwilling to "take the hint" from Sally to vote for Izzy! Now let's see what happened.

First of all I (or you) didn't know Sally had a wolf bagged. But she had kept me and Izzy as her two main candidates the first part of the Day - leaning on voting me rather than Izzy. As an innocent that was a sign for me that her open suspicions were as ungrounded as anyone's, so there was no particular reason for me to think she had dreamt of Izzy as she was so wrong with me.

When I had thought of voting Izzy, she said: Nog, Izzy isn't the ranger, so if you need to go to bed she's a safe vote.That actually just says what it says. If she had no wolf and Izzy was not the ranger or the ordo she had dreamt of, she would say something like that - if she was willing to see how the wolves reacted to the insecurity of her dream (which I think she had in mind). And that's how I took it.

The second "hint" she gave was this (after I had mulled over whether to vote for Izzy or wilwa):
If my opinion matters, I'd prefer Izzy. I think Wilwa's probably innocent.My reaction to that was: I actually disagree here even if I'm suspecting Izzy as well. Wilwa looks so opportunistic to press for an interpretation I know is not true that it makes me suspect her more (for is she were a wolf that would suit her just perfectly!) - not to talk of her voting I referred to earlier.

Or are you implying Izzy is in fact a wolf?Then I waited for her to comment on my question, taking that out from my sleep which anyway was getting short... 'nuff said I think.

So Inzil, to borrow your exact words, "it's hard for me to see someone as perceptive as Inzil missing the" points. So do I have to conclude you're one of our last wolves trying to push an already suspected innocent towards the gallows to ensure the wolf-victory? Were you perhaps a bit too overconfident?


Well, I need to think about the last two wolves, but if I'd need to vote right now, I'd say Inzil and wilwa... but I really need to look at the pairs again - as well as the discussion yesterDay after I left. So that may change.

alonariel
01-19-2010, 02:07 PM
First of all, how did this thought of us knowing Sally had dreamt a wolf come from? At least to me it was not obvious and I didn't find it even now looking back the thread.

Sally said in her first post as an answer to alona's question "any luck dreaming of a wolf?" the following (boldings mine): To me and my understanding of English-language that seems like far from clear she had a wolf. Actually it looks like the contrary - but she was clearly wishing to play games with the wolves (like saying she had two wolves the Day before etc.). So at least I took that as something I couldn't and shouldn't rely on.

Okay, so this might get me in trouble, but I'm going to say it anyway for clarity's sake especially now that Sally's been killed. Since she and I were on for most of yesterDay, we ended up talking about the game while simultaneously posting on the thread. The main point of our conversation was covered and posted on the thread when Sally basically asked if it was all right if I sacrificed myself as a lynch so the Ranger wouldn't get lynched. Now, at the time, I was okay with her setting me up as the Ranger as a hopeful hint to the wolves to go after me instead of trying to lynch or Night kill the real Ranger.

Because I'd been privy to this information, my posts yesterDay were written based on the knowledge that Sally had in fact dreamed a wolf. I think everyone assumed Sally had dreamed a wolf at that point - and she certainly gave that impression the way she was posting and how she was talking.

Nog, breaking a post down word by word might be helpful to catch a slip by a wolf, but in Sally's case, I think it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Some of what she said could have misdirects, and I think that's what the whole "might" business was.

And to use some logic you used in making a case against me earlier, it feels like your post could go one of two ways: an innocent vehemently defending himself in order to preserve the village numbers or a wolf throwing a fellow pack mate under the bus. I'm leaning towards the first, but am not disregarding the second just yet.

Your reasoning does seem sound, but knowing what I know after talking and posting with Sally after all of most yesterDay, there's just something that doesn't sit completely right with me.

I've got to leave for work now, but I'll be back roughly an hour and a half before DL or so, depending on traffic on the way home.

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 02:12 PM
First of all, how did this thought of us knowing Sally had dreamt a wolf come from? At least to me it was not obvious and I didn't find it even now looking back the thread.

Well, Wilwa made this comment:

Uhm. Sally I really hope you have a wolf. Cause if you do the math, we lose if we don't lynch a wolf toDay.

And this was Sally's response.

I do. Honestly, I do, so don't worry. If I didn't I would have told you by now. And I have more or less absolute faith in our sweet ranger because they love me and are clever. ;)

Seems pretty clear to me.

If you Inzil, or anyone, go back the thread you see an interesting thing I only realised when Sally revealed Izzy was a wolf. She had suspected me the whole Day quite heavily, but after I had voiced my suspicions on Izzy here and entertained the idea whether I should actually vote her, Sally's tone actually changed. After wilwa rushed on to call me a likely wolf she actually said that: Now why should that be? Well, in hindsight it looks quite clear: she saw I hit the right target and was thinking of voting her - and I had come to that conclusion without her helping me out with it, so I was an innocent - as I am.

If Sally was confident you were going to vote for Izzy, why was she compelled to make a full reveal of her dream? It certainly appeared to be for your benefit.

First of all I (or you) didn't know Sally had a wolf bagged. But she had kept me and Izzy as her two main candidates the first part of the Day - leaning on voting me rather than Izzy. As an innocent that was a sign for me that her open suspicions were as ungrounded as anyone's, so there was no particular reason for me to think she had dreamt of Izzy as she was so wrong with me.

See above.

So Inzil, to borrow your exact words, "it's hard for me to see someone as perceptive as Inzil missing the" points. So do I have to conclude you're one of our last wolves trying to push an already suspected innocent towards the gallows to ensure the wolf-victory? Were you perhaps a bit too overconfident?

'Already suspected'? I thought you looked off yesterDay. I'm not convinced, Nog. I still don't think Wilwa looks as bad as you,

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 02:14 PM
I only really realised this now looking back at the posts for toDay! RED ALERT!
So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight.
Well, it would help narrow the field (assuming a wolf didn't make a false reveal), but the Ranger is the best weapon we have at this point. So I'm not sure.:eek:

And the suspects are not a surprise to me...


There are six of us left of which two are wolves, 4 against 2.

If we lynch wrong toDay there will be 3 against 2 facing the Night. Then if the wolves succeed in their Night kill it will be 2 against 2 come morning and we've lost. Game over.

So have we any hope if we don't lynch right toDay? The ranger could do the trick. But if she (yeah, prolly) reveals toDay she will be killed and it is game over.

So stay hidden ranger! You're our last stand if we miss it toDay.

Wilwa and Inzil... I'm really looking at you now.

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 02:53 PM
Nog, I said "So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight."I didn't say "Hey, I think the Ranger should totally reveal right now."

I was simply putting the idea out there because yesterDay I had brought it up,(though I was basing that on the idea that we'd perhaps have another of Sally's dreams toDay, and someone else would have died last Night, so our pool of unknowns would have been smaller and we may have gained more from the Ranger revealing, we're in a different situation then I was hoping for) I wasn't saying we should definitely go for it, it was more for everyone's consideration incase there was some benefit to the reveal that I hadn't thought of. I see now there isn't, so it's a bad idea, so she should obviously stay quite.


On another not, ya know what I don't get? Why I always seem to be suspected for being too "willing", or too "helpful".

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 02:59 PM
Since she and I were on for most of yesterDay, we ended up talking about the game while simultaneously posting on the thread. Well... what to say?

One is not supposed to chat about the game with other players while the game is going on. Really. The game is played in the game thread, not in msn, Twitter, FB, e-mail or so. Every thought you have you either keep with yourself or share it with others publicly. That's the name of the game.

There have been a few major rows on the issue in the past - resulting in some people signing off from WW for good. So please alona, play with the rules (there was this thing with Lari as well). Hold your horses my friend! :)

Nog, breaking a post down word by word might be helpful to catch a slip by a wolf, but in Sally's case, I think it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Some of what she said could have misdirects, and I think that's what the whole "might" business was.Wasn't that exactly what I said - that I thought she was "playing games" with the wolves and thus decided not to take this or that she said at the face-value?



Inzil. Are you becoming this desperate?
First of all, how did this thought of us knowing Sally had dreamt a wolf come from? At least to me it was not obvious and I didn't find it even now looking back the thread.
Well, Wilwa made this comment:Uhm. Sally I really hope you have a wolf. Cause if you do the math, we lose if we don't lynch a wolf toDay.
And this was Sally's response.I do. Honestly, I do, so don't worry. If I didn't I would have told you by now. And I have more or less absolute faith in our sweet ranger because they love me and are clever.
Seems pretty clear to me.
Right. But those posts you quote are actually cross-posts with my post where I ask if Sally is hinting that Izzy is indeed a wolf and she knows it! So that discussion took place right at the time I was about to vote - so you can't quite say I "should have known it" before that exchange of thoughts occured, ten minutes before my vote!

So what are you aiming at Inzil? Why do you try twist everything to get me lynched? I know the wolves would love to lynch an innocent toDay though and looking at how the Day began I was clearly their best bet to victory... but sorry, I'll challenge you on that.

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 03:06 PM
Nog, I said "So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight."I didn't say "Hey, I think the Ranger should totally reveal right now." True.

Even if I think it was a bad topic-opening in principle - unless we think of it as a trap that Inzil was more or less caught in with. Yes he went to and fro, but he was not willing to state the obvious eg. he was willing to see if the ranger would be fool enough to reveal herself?

For that I could thank you and bow for the great trap you made... but as you understand I can't be sure about you - like I can't be sure about anyone. Maybe it was you two who tried to make it feel like the ranger should come forwards?

I don't know. But now I think we should probably lynch Inzil to buy us another Day to play.

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 03:22 PM
I don't know. But now I think we should probably lynch Inzil to buy us another Day to play.

Ya know what, I'd be willing to do that. It was between you and him anyway.

There is this part of me that thinks you're guilty (mainly due to my lover pairing theory), and then this other part of me that so badly wants to believe you, cause I know that if I was in an ord-ord pairing, and no one thought that an ord-ord pairing excisted, I would be freaking out a bit. So, I'm empathizing with you here....

But then the part of me that thinks your guilty also thinks you're trying to set Inzil up. :rolleyes: I don't know anymore....

I do know that a few days ago I was suspicious of Inzil, and not of Nog. So I might decide to go off my original gut....I might not....I don't know....

Then there is the part of me who feels bad for suspecting my Lover from the first attempt, who was so sweet and nice....but totally a wolf :rolleyes:

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 03:35 PM
Are you becoming this desperate?
Right. But those posts you quote are actually cross-posts with my post where I ask if Sally is hinting that Izzy is indeed a wolf and she knows it! So that discussion took place right at the time I was about to vote - so you can't quite say I "should have known it" before that exchange of thoughts occured, ten minutes before my vote!

So what are you aiming at Inzil? Why do you try twist everything to get me lynched? I know the wolves would love to lynch an innocent toDay though and looking at how the Day began I was clearly their best bet to victory... but sorry, I'll challenge you on that.

I'm not 'twisting' your words. That post of Wilwa's came at 5:16 PM, my time, with Sally's response at 5:18. Between then and when Sally revealed her dream at 5:28 (at which time you then voted) you had two additional posts, with no note of x/ posting with Sally.

Well, I'm afraid you talk of another thing I do. But well, whatever. I'm just afraid.

I actually disagree here even if I'm suspecting Izzy as well. Wilwa looks so opportunistic to press for an interpretation I know is not true that it makes me suspect her more (for is she were a wolf that would suit her just perfectly!) - not to talk of her voting I referred to earlier.

Or are you implying Izzy is in fact a wolf?

Okay. Bedtime for me then.

If you Sally don't think it wise to reveal your dream then let's just cross our fingers there are enough ordos to vote for the wolf... YesterDay three people didn't vote and with these numbers the wolves could easily outvote us if not everybody voted.

Sorry Sally, but not a Day for nice traps. I can't stay awake for long now - and if I vote the wrong way we might lose the Day and the game as then it takes only one ordo not to vote and we can be busted.

It just looks to me as if you ignored plain words that Sally knew a wolf, were reluctant to vote Izzy at her suggestion, and instead waited for her to make an outright reveal.

Even if I think it was a bad topic-opening in principle - unless we think of it as a trap that Inzil was more or less caught in with. Yes he went to and fro, but he was not willing to state the obvious eg. he was willing to see if the ranger would be fool enough to reveal herself?

Now who's reaching? Caught in a trap? I admitted it could give us a known innocent to work with, but also said the Ranger was too valuable to risk that way.

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 04:02 PM
NowI admitted it could give us a known innocent to work with, but also said the Ranger was too valuable to risk that way.You didn't care to mention that if the wolves know the identity of the ranger it is game over in the morning if we don't lynch a wolf toDay... :smokin:

And you didn't actually say "the Ranger was too valuable to risk that way" but you said: Well, it would help narrow the field (assuming a wolf didn't make a false reveal), but the Ranger is the best weapon we have at this point. So I'm not sure. :)

And you're really reaching /streching out with your other comments. I'll comment on them in a moment... just a cigarette first (bad for your health, never start smoking).

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 04:10 PM
So confused...

Can I vote for both of you? That would make my life way easier....like vote for Nogadun or Inzilrod....

I'm starting to think you could both be wolves, and are going at each other so that when one gets lynched the other looks better. :rolleyes:

I'd like to know what Shasta thinks too. And maybe more from Lari and Alona, so my femininity doesn't get overpowered by all this testosterone....

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 04:13 PM
You didn't care to mention that if the wolves know the identity of the ranger it is game over in the morning if we don't lynch a wolf toDay... :smokin:

Smoking really is a bad habit. Never picked it up myself.
I didn't note that about the importance of lynching a wolf toDay because Wilwa had already said it, in the same post in which she proposed having the Ranger come forward. Doubtless if I had mentioned it, you'd accuse me of parroting the obvious. :rolleyes:

And you didn't actually say "the Ranger was too valuable to risk that way

Fine, I paraphrased. 'Best weapon', 'too valuable'.

And you're really reaching /streching out with your other comments. I'll comment on them in a moment... just a cigarette first (bad for your health, never start smoking).

Said the pot to the kettle.

x/d with Wilwa

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 04:56 PM
So you're using minutes as arguments and calling for a close read then Inzil? Let's open all of it then.

I'm not 'twisting' your words. That post of Wilwa's came at 5:16 PM, my time, with Sally's response at 5:18. Between then and when Sally revealed her dream at 5:28 (at which time you then voted) you had two additional posts, with no note of x/ posting with Sally.

So on 01.08 I ended my post with: So it will be wilwa or Izzy for me. Probably wilwa.

I'll think about it for a moment.And went to have a cigarette and think about the choices.

When I came back I refreshed the page and there was Sally's post on 01.12 that spoke of what she was doing (to which I made a comment) and which also said: If my opinion matters, I'd prefer Izzy. I think Wilwa's probably innocent.I ended my post with asking her whether she meant Izzy was a wolf as she said she'd prefer Izzy over wilwa (although I strongly disagreed with her about wilwa whom she thought "probably innocent"). That post of mine was sent at 01.21.

Now wilwa's post asking Sally about her having a wolf was posted at 01.16 and Sally answered 01.18 (three minutes before my post was posted). That post of mine 01.21 was a cross post - with both of them.

Then I went back reading what was said and thought about the implications - and I do actually remember reading wilwa's post from 01.22. (so I had first read the few posts that were posted prior to my 01.21 and thought about them, and only then posted my next one which was finally posted at 01.28)But should you reveal them now then....cause I'm sure Noggy would rather vote for a wolf, and the more people to vote for them the better, just in case, we don't want people coming on and voting before you reveal it, just incase the votes end up getting swayed by the baddies or something....up to you,Which I thought was straight to the point. And it was only now I kind of knew Sally had a wolf! So after thinking a while I realised the situation was urgent indeed. And I said this on post that was sent on 01.28 If you Sally don't think it wise to reveal your dream then let's just cross our fingers there are enough ordos to vote for the wolf... YesterDay three people didn't vote and with these numbers the wolves could easily outvote us if not everybody voted.

Sorry Sally, but not a Day for nice traps. I can't stay awake for long now - and if I vote the wrong way we might lose the Day and the game as then it takes only one ordo not to vote and we can be busted.So I was concerned that I might vote the wrong way and decided to wait yet a moment even if it was about 1.30AM and I had an early morning call to see whether Sally would help and stop playing her otherwise nice game with the wolves as the situation was dire enough without the "game" she wished to play. I was thinking about the general situation... the previous Day three people didn't vote, and looking at our numbers there such many non-voters against three wolves would mean that we could be outvoted if just a few of us voted the wrong way (if Sally would reveal only near the DL!). Just look back at how Lottie got lynched! Not with a bang but a whimper.

Therefore I urged her to reveal earlier than later.

And you Inzil should have seen the direness of our situation there.


Fine, I paraphrased. 'Best weapon', 'too valuable'. No. Sorry. You said first that there are pros and cons but you're "not sure", then you tried to save it by telling that you said "the Ranger was too valuable to risk that way".

So first you said "not sure" and then claimed you said you were against it (after I had pointed out it would lead to game over) which you weren't.


Smoking really is a bad habit. Never picked it up myself. Good for you. Never start!

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 05:30 PM
I'm starting to think you could both be wolves, and are going at each other so that when one gets lynched the other looks better. :rolleyes:Hold your imagination and look at the arguments.


But it is true what you say, that one would like to see more contributions from Shasta and Lari.

Shasta has the show to rehearse (or something like that) and that's a decent reason for not posting too much - but at this kind of game it could be quite crucial as well. And if he is a wolf... well I'm afraid we can't afford to just check it right now as a mislynch toDay will more or less end the game (unless the wolves don't hit the ranger and s/he manages to save someone).

If he is a wolf and wins I'd say the moral victory is not theirs. And it is not something to blame on Shasta if he is busy, but a question of the overall rl conditions (although one might ask why join a game if one has no time to play?). So I will be disregarding Shasta for toDay at least. Whatever follows.

Lari is a harder case. I don't remember her saying she wouldn't be able to contribute and she has been the most quiet all the time (second least posts thus far after Glirdan who died on D1!). But unlike Shasta, when she posts she has at least tried to say something - but soo carefully it hurts! :)

I'd think the same would apply to her: I will think her win as a wolf would be morally worthless and thus void in my eyes at least. In this small a game we just can't afford doing away with the submarines first as the numbers are falling so fast.

Please Shasta and Lari, post, play the game if you're in it!

Shastanis Althreduin
01-19-2010, 05:48 PM
You're right, Nog, I shouldn't have signed up for this game. But asking for a modkill at this point in the game would doom the innocents, so I'll do my best (I do, however, have rehearsal in an hour and I'm not sure how long it's going to last).

For now, two major points.

1. People who are pushing the whole "The Ranger has GOT to be female" are looking extremely shady to me.

2. I think that Wilwa's backpedaling on the revealing of the Ranger-issue looks fishy, but then I think Inzil is fishy too.

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 06:09 PM
1. People who are pushing the whole "The Ranger has GOT to be female" are looking extremely shady to me.



Why? Sally referred to the Ranger as a she, I see it as likely that she did that so that we'd have an idea of who the Ranger could be, since there was about the same number of guys and girls, without her having to reveal them (since that would put the Ranger in danger). She could have done it so that if a few days went by and she was dead we would have a hint about the Ranger and be able to limit our group of unknowns (or like if a guy-wolf tried to false reveal or something we'd know not to believe them). It just seems quite clearly like something Sally would do. You seem to be the only one who doesn't think so.

I don't know, we could all be wrong of course and she was just messing with us.
But either way I don't find the girls suspicious anyway, even if Sally had never done the whole "she" thing I still would not have looked at them suspiciously.

Backpedaling? I never said I thought the Ranger should reveal, I asked what people thought about the Ranger revealing. Those are two different things.

Anyway, I'm going to go eat some pumpkin pie and watch Jack Bauer. Be back later.

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 06:18 PM
Now wilwa's post asking Sally about her having a wolf was posted at 01.16 and Sally answered 01.18 (three minutes before my post was posted). That post of mine 01.21 was a cross post - with both of them.

All right, Nog. But the problem was it wasn't apparent you'd cross-posted. Surely you see that. It looked as if you'd just been ignoring things, since you didn't note a cross-post at the time.


Then I went back reading what was said and thought about the implications - and I do actually remember reading wilwa's post from 01.22. (so I had first read the few posts that were posted prior to my 01.21 and thought about them, and only then posted my next one which was finally posted at 01.28)Which I thought was straight to the point. And it was only now I kind of knew Sally had a wolf! So after thinking a while I realised the situation was urgent indeed. And I said this on post that was sent on 01.28 So I was concerned that I might vote the wrong way and decided to wait yet a moment even if it was about 1.30AM and I had an early morning call to see whether Sally would help and stop playing her otherwise nice game with the wolves as the situation was dire enough without the "game" she wished to play. I was thinking about the general situation... the previous Day three people didn't vote, and looking at our numbers there such many non-voters against three wolves would mean that we could be outvoted if just a few of us voted the wrong way (if Sally would reveal only near the DL!). Just look back at how Lottie got lynched! Not with a bang but a whimper.

Therefore I urged her to reveal earlier than later.

And you Inzil should have seen the direness of our situation there.

I'll admit Sally's caginess was causing me some consternation as well, but I'd be willing to let her have things her way, since she had made it clear (to me, at least) that she had a wolf.

So first you said "not sure" and then claimed you said you were against it (after I had pointed out it would lead to game over) which you weren't.

Sorry, you're grasping at straws here. And I was well aware when I responded to Wilwa that a false lynch would be fatal. As I said, I didn't point it out because Wilwa had just done so.

You do make an impassioned defence, Nog.

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 06:30 PM
Sally talked of the ranger as a she. Whatever the status of that claim might be, we should take that into consideration. And Sally didn't give us a name (was wise enough not to).

Now, if the ranger is lynched we lose. It is game over.

If the ranger is killed during the Night we lose before the next Day breaks as well - unless we get a wolf toDay. And if we lynch a female toDay who is not a wolf they have easier task to guess on the ranger the coming Night (as there are less females to choose from). So let us leave them as many females as possible to pick from the coming Night so that there are better chances of them getting it wrong.

So let's lynch a male toDay.

It means either

me
Shasta
Inzil

I know I'm an innocent myself.

I have already said I'm afraid we just can't afford a shot in the dark with trying Shasta. Although now seeing Shasta posting and actually contesting the whole "female-ranger" idea makes me think again... bah, I thought I could get to bed now. :(

Heh, as soon I started to feel better about wilwa - because of realising her concern about Sally revealing early enough so that the wolves couldn't mess the votes yesterDay - Shasta says wilwa was backpedalling on the ranger-reveal -issue, which is not true - while it could be argued Inzil did that, and Shasta's "weak suspicion" "but then I think Inzil is fishy too" looks very much like a wolf-on-wolf suspicion.

I do think Inzil has been trying to capitulate on the general suspicions on me toDay - the wolves know the situation and just one innocent lynch will give them great chances of winning the game on the coming Night. Also the way he has done that has been outright twisting the facts (check my posts with real evidence) and I do suspect he tried to out our ranger for the death of us innocents, and when caught, tried to lie to get away with it (check my posts for original quotes showing the difference between what he said and what he claimed he said).

Okay. Needs a moment of thought before voting...


EDIT: mentioning this now... X'd with Inzil.

Shastanis Althreduin
01-19-2010, 06:36 PM
Right. How do we know Sally didn't say "she" to bluff (or double bluff, or triple bluff) the wolves? Knowing Sally, I don't think we can make any assumptions just because she said "she" instead of "they" or "he". And the fact that this has been the main subject of the day blows my mind. We're not looking for the Ranger, we're looking for the wolves.

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 06:38 PM
Sally talked of the ranger as a she. Whatever the status of that claim might be, we should take that into consideration. And Sally didn't give us a name (was wise enough not to).

Now, if the ranger is lynched we lose. It is game over.

If any innocent is lynched, it's likely 'game over'.

I know I'm an innocent myself.

The same is true of me. Therein lies our problem, Nog.

I do think Inzil has been trying to capitulate on the general suspicions on me toDay - the wolves know the situation and just one innocent lynch will give them great chances of winning the game on the coming Night. Also the way he has done that has been outright twisting the facts (check my posts with real evidence) and I do suspect he tried to out our ranger for the death of us innocents, and when caught, tried to lie to get away with it (check my posts for original quotes showing the difference between what he said and what he claimed he said).

I'll accept your explantion about your questioning Sally and inducing her to name her dream. But now you're twisting my words about Wilwa's Ranger idea. Let it be so, then.

x/d with Shasta

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 06:45 PM
I'll admit Sally's caginess was causing me some consternation as well, but I'd be willing to let her have things her way, since she had made it clear (to me, at least) that she had a wolf. Well I think you miss the point here. Lari had voted for Shasta already and so basically another vote not for the wolf Sally had caught could have led to a situation where the wolves could have run over us with their votes and win. And I needed to get to sleep. It was too risky.


Sorry, you're grasping at straws here. And I was well aware when I responded to Wilwa that a false lynch would be fatal. As I said, I didn't point it out because Wilwa had just done so.Actually what wilwa said was: So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight.She didn't say the game would be over if the ranger dies! And how come you claim you were on top of the things as an innocent if you answered that post by wilwa by saying that there are pros and cons and that you're not sure which would be the best option - if you claim you knew the game would end if we missed?

You do make an impassioned defence, Nog.
If the dl would be better I'd be easier as I could follow the day through but sadly I need to leave like now and everything that happens after I'm gone is out of my reach; so I feel I need to make my case strongly enough so that we stand a chance of there being toMorrow.

x'd with Shasta and Inzil

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 06:51 PM
Actually what wilwa said was: She didn't say the game would be over if the ranger dies! And how come you claim you were on top of the things as an innocent if you answered that post by wilwa by saying that there are pros and cons and that you're not sure which would be the best option - if you claim you knew the game would end if we missed?

For your benefit, here is Wilwa's post, bolding added to the pertinent part.

Who's left:

Nogrod
Inziladun
Shasta
Alonariel
Wilwarin
Lariren

2 are wolves, 1 is the Ranger, then 3 ords. If we don't get a wolf today, then we most likely lose.

So what do people think of the Ranger coming forward? It would make our pool of suspects smaller, but would probably guarantee her death toNight.

And did it occur to you, Nog, that perhaps I wanted to leave it open ended, to see if anyone would latch on and say, 'Yes, Ranger! Come forward!'?

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 07:00 PM
Right. How do we know Sally didn't say "she" to bluff (or double bluff, or triple bluff) the wolves? We don't Shasta. We don't know that.

But it is a thing to be considered as it is the only one thing we have about the ranger.

And as someone (wilwa?) said, it is actually believable that she would give us a hint that way limiting the gender of the ranger thus still protecting her as there were many enough females around...

And why are you suddenly thus concerned Shasta?

If we lynch a wolf toDay we (some of us) live toMorrow, but if we don't, it will be in the hands of our ranger, and only her (him?). So let's make it as safe as possible and try to avoid lynching the ranger - and not force her to come forwards to not lynch her as the revealment of the ranger's identity would be the death of her and thus the end of the game.

And if our only clue is that the ranger is a "she" I think it reasonable to follow that principle toDay.

ToMorrow the situation might be different as there is no reason both the remaining wolves should be males in principle.

edit: x'äd with Inzil again...

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 07:07 PM
2 are wolves, 1 is the Ranger, then 3 ords. If we don't get a wolf today, then we most likely lose.And did it occur to you, Nog, that perhaps I wanted to leave it open ended, to see if anyone would latch on and say, 'Yes, Ranger! Come forward!'?It took you some time to come up with that explanation Inzil... and don't try to tell me you were just having your nets in the deep water all the time just to watch for reactions the last hours. ;)

And really. If wilwa says "we most likely lose" then you say "I'm not sure about it" - and it takes you this long to actually come up with an explanation... and then you want me to buy it?

Well Shasta is looking quite bad as well. So... drat... looking at the clock...

Why does this game always start to get interesting when I need to go to sleep? The worst deadline ever! :mad:

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 07:12 PM
And really. If wilwa says "we most likely lose" then you say "I'm not sure about it" - and it takes you this long to actually come up with an explanation... I need to add... while in the meantime you try to give us untrue or fabricated replies... and now you wish we should believe that at this point you're finally true whilst earlier you were just... well what? Why didn't you say that already much earlier? Let me guess... You came up with that explanation only now? :rolleyes:

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 07:27 PM
I kinda get what Inzil is saying, about him not reiterating that us not getting a wolf means we probably lose, since I had already said it. But I also get what you're trying to say Nog.

We could still technically win if we lynch an ord toDay, as long as the Ranger protects the right person. But if we lynch the Ranger then we're definitely done for. Which is why lynching a boy gives us our best chance. I think everyone can pretty much agree that this is our best chance.

Honestly? I could justify a vote for any of you three boys. But I'm most comfortable voting for Inzil. Shasta scares me because he hasn't been on enough, so he would be risky, a shot in the dark like Nog put it. I'm finding myself agreeing more and more with Nog, no he's not cleared in my mind, but he's not freaking me out as much as he was yesterDay. So yeah, I'll probably go with Inzil.

I'd still like to hear more from the girls though.

Back to Jack Bauer now...

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 07:31 PM
I'm really torn with this decision.

In a way I think our wolves could well be Inzil and Shasta and thus I could vote either one with good conscience.

Then again I think that if both of them are not wolves and I vote it wrong, there will be three innocents and two wolves to vote - and thus with only one bad vote or an innocent failing to vote the wolves might get through toDay. And that would mean quite probable ending for the game.

I'm pretty suspicious of Inzil, but he did warn Sally not to ask the ranger to make a hint to her as it would be dangerous, as the wolves might spot it, and that sounds innocentish - although if I were a wolf I would have said the same thing to look concerned for the good of the innocents...

But then again Shasta's last few posts scream a wolf to me. I was actually right with Izzy yesterDay and that suspicion was truly aroused by just one later post of hers. So should I trust that small but reasonable looking suspicion or should I go with my more substantial suspicion which has counter-arguments as well?

OMG wilwa, why do you have to look so opportunistic right now when I need to decide? You're not making this easier to be honest... :confused:

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 07:36 PM
Okay. I need to go to sleep now. And it was actually wilwa's post that pushed me to this decision.


++ Shasta

Explanation: if it's not Inziland Shasta, it's more likely Shasta and wilwa than wilwa and Inzil. Thus Shasta figures in both combinations I find more likely.

Make it good!

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 07:38 PM
I need to add... while in the meantime you try to give us untrue or fabricated replies... and now you wish we should believe that at this point you're finally true whilst earlier you were just... well what? Why didn't you say that already much earlier? Let me guess... You came up with that explanation only now? :rolleyes:

And if I'd told you that straight off , you'd have said 'All right then'? :rolleyes: I did have that in my mind at the time.
For someone accusing me of fabricating a case, you're doing quite well yourself.
Funny how you never mentioned any serious suspicion of me til I came after you. But I think your reaction shows I'm right. I was starting to doubt somewhat after your explanation of your interactions with Sally yeaterDay, but your twisting my response to Wilwa's Ranger question gives me conviction. If I was a wolf, why wouldn't I have said, 'Sure, let's have it, Ranger.'?

EDIT- x/d with Nog, who didn't vote for me? Are you not a wolf, or just a bloody clever one?

Nogrod
01-19-2010, 07:49 PM
I hadn't logged off yet... :)
If I was a wolf, why wouldn't I have said, 'Sure, let's have it, Ranger.'?Simple reason: that would have been very stupid for a wolf - and I know you're not stupid, but a reasonable person - sao that doesn't quite white-wash you if you thought it would... :)

EDIT- x/d with Nog, who didn't vote for me? Are you not a wolf, or just a bloody clever one?
wilwa pushed me into it with her light-hearted "I'm ready to vote Inzil" -comment. I still don't trust her you know, and her post showed she hadn't read the last posts - or she didn't want to take them into account - like she was protecting Shasta? Who knows? But I still think lynching a male is our best option - and Shasta didn't make it too hard to vote for him as I started to wawer with you.

You know the wolves can afford to go after certain persons they want to get rid of as they know who are on which side. But innocents need to consider and reconsider all the possibilities.

Lariren Shadow
01-19-2010, 07:50 PM
Shasta does make a point about how Sally's generization(I think I just made up that word) of the Ranger could have been to throw off the wolves. The only way to really know is if we look through her posts and try to see if there are clues. But then we expose the Ranger.

So we are at a cross roads. Either we trust that Sally meant that the Ranger was a girl and lynch a boy, or we look for clues.

I'm going to try to look through things now.

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 08:10 PM
OMG wilwa, why do you have to look so opportunistic right now when I need to decide? You're not making this easier to be honest... :confused:

What?



wilwa pushed me into it with her light-hearted "I'm ready to vote Inzil" -comment. I still don't trust her you know, and her post showed she hadn't read the last posts - or she didn't want to take them into account - like she was protecting Shasta? Who knows? But I still think lynching a male is our best option - and Shasta didn't make it too hard to vote for him as I started to wawer with you.


and what?

I did take those posts into account, but there still wasn't much on Shasta, I don't agree with what he was saying about Sally's Ranger hints, but I don't think it's all that bad that I'm suddenly gonna switch over like that. I said at the beginning of toDay that I was willing to vote for Inzil, so why do you think it's so weird that I'm saying I still am willing to vote for him? Goodness you confuse me sometimes...

I'm gonna hold off for a bit longer, to hear more from those who haven't been around as much and still might have stuff to add. But I think I'll probably stick with Inzil.

wilwarin538
01-19-2010, 08:41 PM
Ok, so I have to sleep now, can't really wait any longer. I'm just going to stick with Inzil...

++Inziladun

Whoever everyone decides on I certainly hope we are right. And good luck to the Ranger toNight!

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 09:19 PM
Nog is puzzling. I had some suspicion on him for the way he questioned Sally and, as it seemed, deliberately forced her to reveal her dream before she was ready to. I decided to push him and watch his response. He came back on the offensive. I thought I'd found a wolf and he would certainly vote for me, when he suddenly about faced and voted Shasta. What does that mean? Why would he give such an involved defence and attack me in the bargain, only to be swayed at the last minute by one post from Wilwa?
I did find Shasta's comments quite interesting, but Nog jumped on them with both feet.
Now Shasta had made me wary already because of his relative silence and blending in. Also, I noted yesterDay that he popped in at DL to vote, was asked by Sally for a brief list of his thoughts, and failed to answer at all, though he had around 10 minutes until DL. Then he disappeared again until (Nog asked for him!) toDay saying Wilwa 'backpedaled' on her Ranger idea, and saying I was 'fishy' without giving a reason. And one thing that Shasta said I really didn't like was that we couldn't necessarily count on the Ranger being a 'she', despite Sally's words, because it could be a bluff to the wolves. Now, if it was a bluff or not, I have no idea. But I assume Sally had a reason for saying it. If you do think it might have been something to throw off the wolves, why would you bring it out into the open like that? :(
But they can't both be wolves. Bloody hell.

And thanks, Wilwa. :rolleyes:

alonariel
01-19-2010, 09:21 PM
One is not supposed to chat about the game with other players while the game is going on. Really. The game is played in the game thread, not in msn, Twitter, FB, e-mail or so. Every thought you have you either keep with yourself or share it with others publicly. That's the name of the game.

There have been a few major rows on the issue in the past - resulting in some people signing off from WW for good. So please alona, play with the rules (there was this thing with Lari as well). Hold your horses my friend! :)

Eeek I know...seriously, I'm considering just not signing on MSN while I'm in a WW game from now on.


Oh dear, why did so much have to happen while I was at work?? Arg. Okay, so impressions from the post:

Inzil and Nog are at each other's throats. It's either wolf-on-wolf setting up for one of them to look good at the end of toDay. Or ordo-on-ordo which blows because of our numbers and already stated reasons about what happens if we lynch an ordo and the Ranger doesn't protect the right person toNight.

Shasta's few posts today make me very uneasy. I didn't see Wilwa's comments as back pedaling at all, merely a post to get the conversation going or, like Nog suggested, a possible trap for wolves. Yes, his post about Sally's misdirect could be valid, but with just a few posts he has jumped to the top of my suspect list.

And then there's Nog! Who defended himself vehemently. The way his posts went made me think he was a very ticked off ordo - or an extremely clever wolf. Like I said before I left for work, I am leaning towards the first, though after all the posts toDay, the second isn't off the table yet.

Ugh, I think I'll wait to see if anyone else posts. DL isn't that a bad time for me and with how dire the situation is, I'll hold off for as long as I can til I vote.


Voting thus far:

Nog -> Shasta
Wilwa -> Inzil

Lariren Shadow
01-19-2010, 09:52 PM
So is no one else here?

As for voting, I'm more inclinded to go with the whole not voting for any girls because Alona and Wilwa are not at all suspcious to me.

Nog seems to have talked himself into a corner, and come out with Shasta as guilty and constantly stated that he is innocent. I'm not sure how to feel about this. He seems to be saying he's innocent way too much in those.

And then Shasta and Inzil both have votes. While Shasta looked suspicious yesterDay he seems much better to me toDay. And Inzil...well PM buddy.

Gwathagor
01-19-2010, 09:54 PM
Man, you people had better start voting.

Lariren Shadow
01-19-2010, 09:54 PM
And we're really close to the deadline and still to vote: me, Alona, Shasta, and Inzil. Great.

alonariel
01-19-2010, 09:56 PM
It's getting close so here we go. No girls because of the possibility the Ranger is a she. Though my newfound suspicion of Shasta is unsettling, I've got more of a feel on Nog at this point.

So, here goes:

++Nog

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 09:56 PM
I'm here.

Nog was strange toDay. I still don't understand why he put all that effort into going after me, only to abandon it at the last minute. And it was awfully odd how he didn't find much to note about me until I pushed him. I think we have a very likely wolf in one of them, but not both.

x/d with alona and Lari

Inziladun
01-19-2010, 09:58 PM
Let's hope for the best.


++Nog

Lariren Shadow
01-19-2010, 09:59 PM
Ok, I'm going with the no girls.

And I'm now not really sure about Shasta, he's beginning to look less guilty to me, and I don't really want to vote Inzil. Which leaves me with voting Nog. His talking toDay seemed rather to proclaim he was innocent and talk in circles. It doesn't feel right.

++Nog

Gwathagor
01-19-2010, 10:01 PM
The man from the bank had left Johnny on the porch of his house with a slip of paper in his hand. Johnny had tried to argue with the man, he'd told him that he couldn't pay the mortgage just yet since he'd been laid off down at the factory. He was looking for work, but he needed more time. He just needed more time. What difference was another week or two? The bank had had Johnny's business for years, didn't that mean anything? He needed the house, he was going to get married. Johnny always paid off his debts in the end, he was good for the money. He just needed more time. But, if the bank man heard any of this, he showed no sign of it, and Johnny found himself staring blankly at a notice of eviction. There was nothing he could do. Was there?

Johnny walked slowly back inside, dropping the slip of paper on the porch. Slowly, quietly, almost half-heartedly, he walked through the kitchen and down into the basement. He stood there for a moment, silent and motionless, then took down a shotgun from a shelf and clamped it tight into the vise. Then he picked up a hacksaw. He had to hurry. The bank closed soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmT-jlL8ZiY&feature=related

Later that evening, a state police officer pulled Johnny as he was driving recklessly down the county roads, past the swamps and the refinery fires, making good time away from the city. Not only was he drunk, but he was waving a sawed-off shotgun in one hand and clamoring about how he had only done what he had to, about how the bank and the auto factory had put the gun in his hands. He was crying a little and hardly resisted when the lawman slapped the cuffs on him and took him downtown. Two weeks later, he had been sentenced to 99 years in prison for the killing of a bank clerk. That was the last anyone heard of Johnny 99.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2aQogGfYtY

***

Night 5 has begun.

The Living
City Dude - Inziladun
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent
Rosalita - Loslote - Innocent
Mary - Rikae - Innocent
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya - The Betrayer (Wolf)
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally - The Dreamer (Seer)
Johnny 99 - Nogrod - Innocent

Gwathagor
01-21-2010, 12:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izt7qpSc9ck

The circus was silent now, the carousel still, the fairgrounds dim, the boardwalk empty. A cold rain drizzled over the city, falling from grey clouds which stretched endlessly in every direction. The streets felt dead and bare, their fire quenched, their life extinguished. Only a few still walked alone through town, lost, searching for something they could not quite recall - for it had been snatched away just before it had been realized.

Wendy was one of these last, lone survivors, who felt her world growing old around her, who found herself dreaming less and less, and growing more and more resigned. And she hated herself for it. She felt betrayed. She felt that she had betrayed something herself. Tonight, in desperation, she went searching for someone she had been close to, once, in the old days. But they hadn't spoken in so long - she only knew where he lived.

She found herself on the street corner late that night, waiting outside his apartment, unsure of herself. Should she knock? Maybe he was married. What was she doing here anyway? What was she looking for? She sat on the curb in misery and tried to remember...but all that came back to her was one of the old songs, strain by strain, in pieces:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxuThNgl3YA

She looked back up at his bedroom window. The light was on! She stood up - and just at that moment, he walked through the door. Dressed in the uniform of a New Jersey state police officer. They stared at each other for a moment, each barely recognizing the other and yet communicating through their silence more than they ever had with words. He shook his head.

"You shouldn't have come. It's over."

Then he walked past her, got onto his motorcycle, and rode away without a backward glance. Wendy threw herself onto the cold, umsympathetic pavement and wept.

This dream was over. It was time to move on. It was time for new and different dreams to begin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXGNq2-S06I

***

The game is over, the wolves have won. Their numbers now equal the number of living innocents.

Thank you all for playing. This meant a lot to me.

The Living
City Dude - Inziladun - The Lawman (Wolf)
Gypsy Biker - Shasta - The Angel (Ranger)
Crazy Janey - Alonariel - The Killer (Wolf)
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin - Innocent

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent
Rosalita - Loslote - Innocent
Mary - Rikae - Innocent
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya - The Betrayer (Wolf)
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally - The Dreamer (Seer)
Johnny 99 - Nogrod - Innocent
Wendy - Lariren

Loslote
01-21-2010, 12:22 AM
I still can't believe I tied at two votes. With a wolf! I totally freaked out when I found that one out after I died... :rolleyes:

@ Nog, re Sally pm: by gifted hints, I meant Sally's hinting that Glirdy was wolf. I sent it thinking that if you were a) an ordo you wouldn't try to kill Sally, who I was fairly sure was the seer, or b) a wolf, you'd have seen it anyway and it wouldn't matter, but that you would know that I knew you probably knew and would suspect you if she died. I was pretty sure you were innocent, though, so I wasn't that worried, but not sure enough to actually say "Sally's the seer."

@ Zil, re I can totally read you: Well, that's basically it. :p

@ Gwath, re thanks: Amazing game! Thank you for modding it! :D

wilwarin538
01-21-2010, 07:20 AM
City Dude - Inziladun - The Lawman (Wolf)
Gypsy Biker - Shasta - The Angel (Ranger)
Crazy Janey - Alonariel - The Killer (Wolf)

:eek:

Alona.....I'm never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever trusting you again. :p

Shasta.....you are not a girl. haha :p

Inzil.....I knew it! I knew some people had got to keep their roles from the first try, so I had a feeling you were a good chance at being wolf.


Wow. That was.......a surprise.

Gwath, wonderful game, thank you so much!!!!

Good job Sally!!!!!

Good job everyone, and congrats to the wolves, it was well played!

Just for reference, incase anyone is curious, I was an ord in the first try as well, but my lover was Inzil (who was a wolf then too).

Inziladun
01-21-2010, 09:15 AM
Well, that was rather a hard-fought game. Not a stellar performance from me, but we still managed to pull out a win. I thought we had an excellent wolf-pack.
Izzy made a nice return after a WW hiatus. If not for Sally's dream I thought she had a good chance of avoiding serious suspicion for quite a while.

And alona was tremendous, doing extremely well at deflecting suspicion, despite a couple of slips *cough Rikae *cough* ;). Told you Shasta was the Ranger after what he said Day 4!

Sally was an excellent Seer, and I thought it highly likely she'd dream one of us. We managed to sniff her out the first Day, only to be thwarted by the clever Ranger. I was surprised she picked Izzy as her dream though, as I'd thought I looked much worse than she.

I knew I was taking a risk by attacking Nog, but he seemed to be the easiest lynch. He mounted a vicious defence, and pretty much had me on the ropes. Then he backed off and went for Shasta! Astonishing, but much appreciated.

I feel badly for deceiving my poor PM-Pal, Lari, and especially for killing her Night 5. :( Alona and I just thought she was the least likely to be guarded.
She really was very sweet and a delight to discuss things with.

@ Zil, re I can totally read you: Well, that's basically it. :p


That's why you had to go! If I remember correctly, my first thought on Night 2's kill was you.

Good game, Wilwa! You indeed had it nearly figured out by Day 4, but we were banking on alona looking so good she could finish things on her own if she had to.

Thanks for modding, Gwath. It really was a fun game, even without knowing a great deal of Springsteen.

Glirdan
01-21-2010, 09:18 AM
Gah!!! Now will you guys let me live past Day 1?? Seriously!! :p

Anyways, good game Wolves, you did a splendid job of confusing everyone and came out on top.

Gwath the narrations were definitely one of a kind and were very entertaining the whole way through.

Sally, my dear lover, you did splendidly!!

Everyone else, good job and better luck next time!!

wilwarin538
01-21-2010, 09:34 AM
Good game, Wilwa! You indeed had it nearly figured out by Day 4, but we were banking on alona looking so good she could finish things on her own she had to.


And she probably would have, if it had been down to me having to vote. I kinda suspected her the first Day or so, but then she just looked so good! :mad:

Heh, just noticed that it was Inzil and Alona who first voted for Nog. You sneaky little *&%@#. :p

Haha, my poor Glirdy! Maybe if you stopped coming up with terrible reasons to suspect me then you'll be able to survive longer! :Merisu: ♥

Isabellkya
01-21-2010, 03:18 PM
Haha, yay. xD

Thanks for hosting Gwath!
Good game everyone.

Shasta being the Ranger, so funny. I had him written off as not being the Ranger. Guess he was way busier than I thought.

I think that is the first time I've ever been dreamed of. Yay!

Nogrod
01-21-2010, 04:18 PM
Heh, just noticed that it was Inzil and Alona who first voted for Nog. You sneaky little *&%@#.
Sadly that's nothing new... :)

And alona! I was so sure she was a wolf but Sally's staunch defence of her let me thought she was the ranger as it came from the authority of the Seer - and thus I talked about hubris - that Sally was making it too obvious... How wrong I was there - and how right I was from the beginning!!!

And bah! I had a situation the Day before: I had suspected Wilwa a lot and a long time but suddenly one post by Izzy rushed her into the top of my suspicions... then I had to make a choice. Happily Sally came forwards giving me the right one as I was quite insecure about which one to vote.

YesterDay then, I was facing quite the same dilemma: I suspected Inzil heavily - and had done more or less so for quite a long time, and then there were the few posts of Shasta that turned the tables... Only that time I made the wrong decision between the two.

But looking at how the game went it seemed clear I had no chance of survival as I needed to turn to sleep hours before the dl - happily we didn't lynch Shasta as he could have had a chance to save the game for one Day more...


Well played anyway wolves! You got some real help from outside but you also held your act together quite nicely. Kudos for that!

Next time I will be looking more than twice at you wilwa before I start suspecting you. It seems to be my newest "bad habit" I need to get rid of.

Sorry Lottie for letting you down... when I read afterwards the posts from the last hours of the Day you were lynched, I was thinking to myself "she's innocent, I need to start the discussions anew with her as soon as I have time", only to read further and see you lynched with three people not voying! That was a sad moment in the game. :(


Thanks Gwath for an enjoyable game - even if it took some practising to begin... :) I hadn't time to check every link you offered us but I checked many and they were nice. The mood was there even if we didn't keep it up sop much after the D1 of the first trial. But that's also our fault.

Loslote
01-21-2010, 04:23 PM
Sorry Lottie for letting you down... when I read afterwards the posts from the last hours of the Day you were lynched, I was thinking to myself "she's innocent, I need to start the discussions anew with her as soon as I have time", only to read further and see you lynched with three people not voying! That was a sad moment in the game. :(

More exasperating than sad, really. I noticed that no one was bandwaggoning except sort of the two I thought were wolves (sorry about that, Lari) against me, so I knew I couldn't vote either of them 'cause then I would die, but I didn't really suspect Alona that much...and then no one else voted her anyway! I still can't believe I tied with Alonawolf and no one looked at her at all afterwards! Or at Zil. I mean, come on, guys! Follow leads! At least look at what the known innocents said. :rolleyes:

Inziladun
01-21-2010, 04:33 PM
I still can't believe I tied with Alonawolf and no one looked at her at all afterwards! Or at Zil. I mean, come on, guys! Follow leads! At least look at what the known innocents said. :rolleyes:

It seemed as if all that was totally forgotten in the drama with Sally's Day 3 wolf reveal. She had Izzy, and that, plus more discussion about the lover-pairings possibly leading to the wolves, made people forget all about the previous Day. We were quite content with that situation, alona and I. ;)

Nogrod
01-21-2010, 04:44 PM
As I said... the way Sally went with alona was to me even too clear a message she was sheltering her - and trying to keep us away from her... Thus I thought alona must the the ranger and backed away from suspecting her immediately - and without a word not to arouse the wolves interest to my sudden turn... and crossing my fingers they wouldn't notice Sally's openly protective attitude.

All that for wrong reasons... :rolleyes:

Heh, never trust a seer who does more than her duty... :D

satansaloser2005
01-21-2010, 04:50 PM
As I said... the way Sally went with alona was to me even too clear a message she was sheltering her - and trying to keep us away from her... Thus I thought alona must the the ranger and backed away from suspecting her immediately - and without a word not to arouse the wolves interest to my sudden turn... and crossing my fingers they wouldn't notice Sally's openly protective attitude.

All that for wrong reasons... :rolleyes:

Heh, never trust a seer who does more than her duty... :D

Oi! Lol.

Well that was my point. Since she and Shasta were lovers I'd hoped that Shasta would pick up on my cues to tell Alona what had been going on so I could get a clearer picture of what was going on. Why I trusted her I have no idea, but believe me, from now on I won't be. :p

And for your enjoyment I plan to link all my posts where I hinted about the true identity of the ranger. For pity's sake, I only said 'she' once and it was just to throw off the wolves from killing Shasta. It was fun to watch you speculate, though.

Inziladun
01-21-2010, 04:57 PM
And for your enjoyment I plan to link all my posts where I hinted about the true identity of the ranger. For pity's sake, I only said 'she' once and it was just to throw off the wolves from killing Shasta. It was fun to watch you speculate, though.

Oh, alona and I weren't convinced by that, and had discussed it Night 4. We knew better than to think you would let that slip if it were true. We left Shasta alone Night 5 because we thought he (along with Wilwa) were more likely to be guarded than Lari.
Everyone else assumed you had been saying the Ranger was defintely a 'she'. Who were we to point out the possibility it might have been a misdirection on your part, when it might have helped ensure alona's survival? :D

Nogrod
01-21-2010, 05:01 PM
For pity's sake, I only said 'she' once and it was just to throw off the wolves from killing Shasta. It was fun to watch you speculate, though.And I thought it was enough credence for my innocence to pick up with that and trying to make it a run between us three males, myself included. For a wolf that would have been a suicidal move... but well, it were the wolves who basically lynched me, so that was quite a fool's hope anyway even if I didn't want to believe that when I had to log out for the night...

Isabellkya
01-21-2010, 05:47 PM
And bah! I had a situation the Day before: I had suspected Wilwa a lot and a long time but suddenly one post by Izzy rushed her into the top of my suspicions... then I had to make a choice. Happily Sally came forwards giving me the right one as I was quite insecure about which one to vote.

Was it the post where I couldn't help but laugh at Sally's ermm.. case against you?
It may have just been because I was a wolf and knew otherwise, but to me it really did look.. over the top. Like the entire thing was a setup, to try and catch a wolf or two.

Sally's last Day, I was thinking Wilwa was the Ranger, because Sally was wanting information from the Ranger. Then Wilwa came out with a comment about the Ranger being daring - and I thought that was kind of an odd thing to say.

satansaloser2005
01-21-2010, 06:01 PM
Was it the post where I couldn't help but laugh at Sally's ermm.. case against you?
It may have just been because I was a wolf and knew otherwise, but to me it really did look.. over the top. Like the entire thing was a setup, to try and catch a wolf or two.

Heh. In that case I was trying to get a reaction out of Nog because I wasn't sure if I suspected him or not and I normally can read him pretty well when he's defending himself. I figured if I could pick up on a wolf then that'd be lovely but it was just to feel out Nog to be honest.

satansaloser2005
01-21-2010, 06:10 PM
Sally's last Day, I was thinking Wilwa was the Ranger, because Sally was wanting information from the Ranger. Then Wilwa came out with a comment about the Ranger being daring - and I thought that was kind of an odd thing to say.

Also, haha. :)

Inziladun
01-21-2010, 09:06 PM
Sally, I'm curious to know who your dream was to have been the Night we killed you.

wilwarin538
01-22-2010, 05:41 AM
and I'm curious who Shasta protected that last Night...

Shastanis Althreduin
01-22-2010, 11:09 AM
and I'm curious who Shasta protected that last Night...

The only person I could be sure was innocent. Myself. :rolleyes:

Nerwen
01-24-2010, 05:23 PM
Well, that was a fun game to read through. Made me wish I'd got back in time to sign up. Ah well.

Loslote
01-24-2010, 05:48 PM
Well, that was a fun game to read through. Made me wish I'd got back in time to sign up. Ah well.

See? See? I told you she was in the game! She was being sneaksy and avoiding lynch or Night kill! Ooh...impressive. Nerwen's really good. No wonder the wolves won. ;)

Pitchwife
01-25-2010, 03:29 PM
Well, that was a fun game to read through. Made me wish I'd got back in time to sign up. Ah well.
Same here - I'm not that much of a Springsteen fan and had some interfering RL obligations, but once this game got going I kicked myself for not playing. Great modding, Gwath - some of the most atmospherically dense narrations I've read so far, and nice idea to use YouTube videos as a narrative device!
Well played, everybody - especially the ladies! sally as the Seer was great cinema, and alona's recovery from suspicion to being totally unsuspected was quite impressive. Thanks for the entertainment, all of you, and see you soon!

Gwathagor
01-25-2010, 03:36 PM
I'm very glad you enjoyed it.