WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2)

[Gwathagor]

Night washed over the city like a sheet of oil across the street. Doors shut, bedroom lights went out, streetlights turned on. In the distance, a train whistle whined mournfully, then faded away. All was still, silent. Then, shadows. Shadows of young people, slipping through doorways, through the window, in and out of the streetlights, down the alleyways, down the streets. Through the hollow bones of the city they moved, like ghosts, like spirits waiting to be born.

A car engine roared, headlights flicked on. As if in answer, engines awoke all over the city, cars and motorcycles, each one a different voice, each one a holy escape. They were all there, the night children, the street people. Killer Joe, the Rat, the Barefoot Girl, the Circus Boy, Sonny, Hazy Davy, Kitty, the Ragamuffin Gunner, and many, many more besides. All of them searching, hoping, reaching out into a night full of promise and potential. A night for dreaming.

And off into this night they sped, out into the darkness on the edge of town, two by two, each pair searching for there something they alone would recognize. Hope. Life. Love. Solitude.

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And yet...all was not well. There were some that saw this dream and did not understand it. Some who hated it. Some who rode alongside their companions, silently plotting how they might strike down this dream while it was yet being born. But, they said nothing and their dark wishes, their anger and ill-will, were as yet nothing more than something in the night.

***
Wolves and PM-pals, PM. Seer, send a dream pick.


The Living
Johnny 99 - Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya
Wild Billy - Glirdan
Mary - Rikae
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Rosalita - Loslote
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Nobody yet.

[Gwathagor]

The hot sun of late July rose quickly into the morning sky. It was early, and already the heat-waves were rippling across the black pavement downtown, creating mirages at the end of every street. Neon signs flashed on. Blinds went up. A garage door opened with a bang.

Still tired from the night before, young people began to appear on the streets among the growing crowds. Some clocked in for work. Some danced along the boardwalk, past the circus, past the arcades. Some ducked the cops. Some hid out in cool alleys, waiting for the moon to rise again, when they would meet their friends and lovers in secret rendezvous.

The noises rose to a steady hum: the twinkling music of the merry-go-round, the blaring car horns, the shouts of busy people, a clamor that would continue until the darkness came again. To some, the sound of so many and so much was music to thrive upon. To others, it was strangling and oppressive. To all, it was the sound of the city.

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The Day had begun.

***
Post away, everybody.

The Living
Johnny 99 - Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya
Wild Billy - Glirdan
Mary - Rikae
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Rosalita - Loslote
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Nobody yet.

[Loslote]

Oh Where Are The Werewolves?

Narrator: "Now it's time for silly songs with Lottie.
The part of the show where Lottie comes out and sings a silly song.
Our curtain opens as Lottie, having just woken up this Morning, is searching for the werewolves. Having no success, Lottie cries out..."

Lottie: "Oh, where are the werewolves? Oh where are the werewolves? Oh, where,
oh, where, oh, where, oh, where, oh, where, oh, where, oh, where, oh,
where oh, where ... are the werewolves?"

Narrator: "Having heard her cry, Morsul enters the scene. Shocked and
slightly astonished at the sight of Lottie not attacking, Morsul regains his composure and reports ... "

Morsul: "I think I saw a werewolf back there!"

Lottie: "Back there are the werewolves. Back there are the werewolves. Back
there, back there, oh, where, back there, oh, where, oh, where, back
there, back there, back there ... are the werewolves!"

Narrator: "Having heard her joyous proclamation, Shasta Althreduin enters the scene. Shocked and slightly embarrassed at the sight of Lottie voting, Shasta regains his composure and comments ..."

Shasta: "Why do you need to lynch them? You're a werewolf yourself!"

Narrator: "Lottie is taken aback. The thought had never occured to her. A wolf? What would this mean? What will become of her? What will become
of her track record? Lottie wonders ..."

Lottie: "A wolf, not an ordo. A wolf, not an ordo. A wolf, A
wolf, a wolf, a wolf, a wolf, a wolf, a wolf, not ordo, a wolf
.. not innocent!"

Narrator: "Having heard her wonderings, Mod Gwathagor enters the scene.
Shocked and slightly astonished at the sight of Lottie as an wolf, Gwatg regains his composure and confesses ..."

Gwath: "Lottie, that wolf role of yours ... Well, I never pmed it, you don't really need it. So, well, I'm sorry ... I didn't know. But you're not a werewolf - 'cause you're an ordo!"

Narrator: "Feeling a deep sense of relief, Lottie bounces up and sings..."

Lottie: "No fur, I'm an ordo! No fur! I'm an ordo. No fur, no fur, an ordo, no fur, innocent, an ordo, no fur, no
fur, no fur! I'm an ordo!"

Narrator: "Having heard her rejoicing, the Wolves enter the scene. Themselves celebrating, both Lottie and the Wolves are shocked and slightly embarrassed at the sight of...each other. But recognizing Lottie's
innocence, the Wolves are angry..."

Wolves: "We will kill you."

Narrator: "Yes, evil has been done here. The Wolves exits the scene. Lottie lives, but, still feeling a deep sense of dread about the coming Night, calls out ..."

Lottie: "We could still lynch you. We will still lynch you. We could, we should, we would, we will, lynch you, werewolves, lynch you, we will, lynch you ... evil werewolves."

Narrator: "The end!"

[Isabellkya]

Bad Scooter is pseudonym for Bruce Springsteen?
Which is the theme, so does that mean if I sing I scare the wolves away, or banish them somehow?
(without being so, I'm sure it would work anyways...)

xD

[Loslote]

Bad Scooter is pseudonym for Bruce Springsteen?
Which is the theme, so does that mean if I sing I scare the wolves away, or banish them somehow?
(without being so, I'm sure it would work anyways...)

xD

Not likely. I've already sang (twice!) and we're still playing.

Although, that could be the reason why we had to restart! My singing was so horrible the wolves begged Gwath for a chance to redo the game! Izzy, you're either a genius or you were a wolf last game and remember the agony!! Yayness. ;)

[Isabellkya]

Albert Einstein was pretty hairy, I think he was part lupine.
So was Galileo, Pascal, Da Vinci, Lincoln...

I see a theme popping out here. Any geniuses out there? xD

[Inziladun]

I see a theme popping out here. Any geniuses out there? xD

I can only speak for myself, but the answer here is a definite no. Just a poor Working Stiff.

And bravo, Lottie. The only thing missing is the melody! By the way, was that based upon something else, or was it a Lottie Original? ;)
So, this is it so far? I'll be back when more of the young people begin to stir.

[satansaloser2005]

"You fought off the wolves with a song parody? I bloody love you."

*snuggles Lottie*

This is a friendly FYI that I'll soon be going out of town and won't return for a few hours (not that I've missed much yet, it seems, but still). I'll catch up when I get back. :)

[wilwarin538]

4 people have posted?

Wow, it may take me a while to catch up. :p

So.....a list then, of course, is the only logical next move:

Lottie: is obviously innocent cause of her totally awesome Veggie Tales parody (good job, that was awesome :D)

Izzy: is a genius, therefore by her own logic guilty

Inzil: is obviously guilty for not recognizing that Lottie's song was based off of Where is My Hairbrush by Larry the Cucumber, tsk tsk

Sally: will be innocent in my eyes if she sends me cookies :D

Uhm....that's all I got for now. I have to do some homework and will be back a bit later.

[Glirdan]

So I'm here and I'm going to say that Wilwa is a Wolf just because!! :p :D

But now to be serious...there have only been five people and it's already been fourteen hours....Not that I'm complaining seeing as this is probably the only time I'll be able to post anything for a good five to six hours......

So, ciao for now....

Oh, and in case no one caught the sarcasm in my accusation towards Wilwa, well, I just explained it.

[alonariel]

Love the parody. Izzy, does Marx count?

I was hoping to find some posts before I had to dash off for work for the next six hours - hopefully there will be more to read and digest when I get home tonight?

Goodbye for now!

[wilwarin538]

To continue my list then *clears throat loudly*

Glirdy: guilty, just because

Alona: innocent, because of the Marx comment ;)


So, there really isn't much going on now is there.....do I have to say something controversial to get this thing rolling? OK then, here goes...

I think everyone should reveal who their Lover/Pen Pal is, just to get everything out in the open! Honesty is of course the best policy and all. :smokin:


If that doesn't stir something up I may have to resort to voting randomly for someone...or maybe voting for myself....or maybe false reveal as something.....cause something exciting obviously needs to happen in order for people to start talking....

anyone? anyone? am I annoying you yet? :rolleyes:

[Inziladun]

To continue my list then *clears throat loudly*

Glirdy: guilty, just because

Alona: innocent, because of the Marx comment ;)


So, there really isn't much going on now is there.....do I have to say something controversial to get this thing rolling? OK then, here goes...

I think everyone should reveal who their Lover/Pen Pal is, just to get everything out in the open! Honesty is of course the best policy and all.


If that doesn't stir something up I may have to resort to voting randomly for someone...or maybe voting for myself....or maybe false reveal as something.....cause something exciting obviously needs to happen in order for people to start talking....

anyone? anyone? am I annoying you yet? :rolleyes:

Wilwa- Guilty for making lists. :p

Still nothing of note? This is disappointing, even for Day 1. It does look likely I'll be making a shot in the dark by voting for a sub, at this rate.
Outing the 'PM Pals', hmm? I suppose we could, but what would it accomplish?

EDIT-had to remove one of Wilwa's smilies to allow one of my own

[wilwarin538]

Outing the 'PM Pals', hmm? I suppose we could, but what would it accomplish?


Probably nothing but confusion. I just wanted to get some form of a discussion started and that was the first thing I thought of. :rolleyes:

Though I did think of one thing later on. I find it very unlikely that Gwath paired any of the 3 gifteds with any of the 3 wolves, so we can assume that either all 6 of those with roles are paired with an ord, OR 2 wolves together, 2 gifteds together and then the rest with ords (or some combo of that). How can this help us? I don't know right now, except that I think the Gifteds should feel pretty safe talking to their PM buddies, cause they're probably ords (or even maybe another gifted, but I doubt a wolf). Feel free to lynch me if this assumption turns out to be wrong.

Anyone there??? I'd really rather not have to vote for someone randomly.

[Isabellkya]

Deadline is in... six and a half hours?

I'd say Sally, Wilwa, Glirdan, and alonariel are the wolves. Yes, count four. They all said essentially the same thing.
They entered, then commented on lack of posts, said they were going to be away, then left. Standard wolf characteristics.

X'd with Wilwa.

[satansaloser2005]

Heh. You can pay my bills when I skip job hunting to post on WW then. :p


Anyway, I'm back (for however long my internet holds out) and unfortunately there's pretty much less posts than there are people. This disappoints me. :(

[wilwarin538]

Izzy, how awesome do you think it is that with 13 posts in like 18 hours we actually managed to cross post? I think it's great! :D


x'ed with Sally, that is just irony...

[Rikae]

I think the Gifteds should feel pretty safe talking to their PM buddies, cause they're probably ords

Hm... interesting. On what do you base your assertion that gifteds won't be paired with wolves? (Or in other words, whee! I'm gifted! Kill me toNight!)

I like the idea of outing the pm-pals. At least it gives us something to talk about, and I definitely need something to restore my enthusiasm over the disappointing turn of the last game. I'll go first - mine is Izzy. You're all free to believe or disbelieve me as you see fit.

Wilwolf, er, Wilwa, who's your PM-pal?

[satansaloser2005]

Hmmmm. I'm not sure I like that idea. I mean there's nothing wrong with it, but I don't see why we necessarily should either. Meh.

The thing that bothers me is that nothing's been said toDay, like at all. If/when I do vote, it will be completely random, and I hate that.


(By the way, I'll be heading to church about three hours before deadline and while I should be back in time to vote I won't guarantee it. So start talking.)

[Nogrod]

What a day - and what a Day!

So I only got to the computer now and will have to wake up in about six hours... Well there's not too much to read either. But sadly also little to make a vote on. I must think about it while checking my stuff for tomorrow.

About revealing the pen-pals... hmm. Hard to say as there seems to be no immediate pros or cons: it might help the wolves planning their kills but it might also help us with some possible combinations I think. Needs some thinking as well.

Back soon.

[wilwarin538]

Hm... interesting. On what do you base your assertion that gifteds won't be paired with wolves?

I'm not certain, I just personally think it's very likely. In the admin thread Gwath said that wolves could be paired with ords, he didn't say anything about wolves being paired with gifteds. I just think if he thought to clarify the first as being a possibility then if the second was a possibility he would have clarified that as well. Like he could have said "wolves may be paired with ords or gifteds", but he didn't, he just said ords.

And I'm fine if people want to reveal their PM Pals (it was just a suggestion to get discussion started), but I won't say who mine is cause I'm not sure he'd be ok with that, but if he comes on and sees this and wants to say we're PM Pals then he can go ahead and do that, I won't mind.

x'ed with Nog

[Inziladun]

Hm... interesting. On what do you base your assertion that gifteds won't be paired with wolves? (Or in other words, whee! I'm gifted! Kill me toNight!)

I was wondering the same thing, Wilwa. You're may be right, but I don't know how you could be so sure.

I like the idea of outing the pm-pals. At least it gives us something to talk about, and I definitely need something to restore my enthusiasm over the disappointing turn of the last game. I'll go first - mine is Izzy. You're all free to believe or disbelieve me as you see fit.

Izzy, hm? Well, I would ask you if she's said anything interesting, or, even better, lupine, but then, how do I know you're not a wolf? :rolleyes:
This is why I don't see what this gains us. We're flying blind both ways, here and with our PM Pals.

x/d with Nog and Wilwa

[Isabellkya]

Anyone can be paired with anyone. I think I can say that, since I asked Gwath about it; even if it was the first try.

I think the idea of only ordo's being paired with gifteds; is a bit scary of a notion if you actually think about it. Especially if the wolves are capable of sharing that information.

[Rikae]

Inzil - nope, nothing. Just trying to get some kind of discussion started here.

Izzy - thank you. It's as I thought, then. I don't really like the way Wilwa encouraged the gifteds to be less cautions based on so little... and yes, if that were true the wolves could eliminate three possible gifteds from their search - good thing it isn't.

I've got some work to do, but I'll be back before deadline.

[wilwarin538]

Alright, well that's good to know for sure then.

I was simply stating what I thought seemed likely to me, the Gifteds didn't have to take me seriously if they didn't agree with me. No one was saying anything so I was just trying to put some stuff out there to get people talking. And I hadn't thought of that angle regarding the Wolves, that does make a lot of sense and I'm glad my theory isn't right.

Anyway, I'll be back a bit later to actually think of who to vote for.

[Nogrod]

We're flying blind both ways, here and with our PM Pals.
That's the problem. There can be things we can try and learn about our pen pals as the game goes on but at least now it's probably quite futile. And if we reveal all the pen pals right now it might affect the way the wolves communicate via PM's - and not for the more "readable" direction - well saying this out aloud might have a similar kind of effect as well now as I think of it.

Anyone can be paired with anyone. I think I can say that, since I asked Gwath about itThat's good to hear. And a good point on why that also needs to be true there Rikae.

Okay. I need to go to sleep. This was a bad Day from me but no can do.

So what to say?

I think Rikae, Inzil and Wilwa are trying to do something which makes me appreciate them and I'm not going to vote anyone of them.

Also I agree on Izzy's earlier point about alona, Sally and Glirdy just complaining the lack of posts and then disappearing without actually trying to do anything to the issue themselves. That is a tactics I tend to always suspect and disapprove of.

Lottie's song would be the classic wolf-opening: "I'm a wolf, I'm a wolf! - heh, only joking..."

Voting this early puts me in no position to vote for someone who has not yet appeared.

A tough call then.

[Nogrod]

I don't remember I have made as non-grounded decision as this is ever on werewolf.

I'm not saying Rikae, Inzil & Wilwa are innocents. Probably at least one of them is a wolf (that's just even statistically quite so). But as they clearly play I wouldn't like to see them gone toDay.

For a moment I thought I would not vote at all but as I have shown my contempt for such solutions in earlier games I think I have no other choice but to vote.

So just guts.

++ alona

Yeah alona, I feel like a jerk. In the last game you promised to stand by my side whatever came... and this is how I pay you back. :(

I hope that you'll manage to get that much discussion going on later toDay that you can use at least some reasoning behind the votes when the Day closes.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Considering that for all intents and purposes we've already been through Day 1, I'm not that surprised at the lack of posts. Honestly, I'm most comfortable voting Wilwa at the moment for that bit about the gifteds being able to trust their PM partners, but even that's flimsy as it could easily be a mistake with the rules (which, as we've already seen, can be finicky).

I probably won't vote Wilwa as a matter of fact, considering she's been the main voice of trying to get people re-interested. I may just have to pull out my Magic 8... uh.... I mean, my crystal ball. Yeah, that's it.

[wilwarin538]

but even that's flimsy as it could easily be a mistake with the rules (which, as we've already seen, can be finicky).


And it was mostly me that was confused last time as well :rolleyes:....so basically I'm gonna stop trying to come up with weird theories and stuff, since they turn out to not make sense and I seem to be the only one that thinks they're even a good idea in the first place. I'm just gonna stick to finding the wolves and not worry about this whole lover dynamic anymore, it's distracting us all from the main goal anyway.

So about that. The posts have started picking up, which is great, but there still isn't really too much to go on regarding suspicions and what not, and still a few people left to show up. So I'll be come on on and off for the next 2ish hours to comment on random things and then I'll have to vote (school in the am, so I can't really stay up that late).

[wilwarin538]

So I need to head to sleep now, it's still fairly early here but I'm exhausted and have to get up crazy early, so I need to vote now.

Still not too much to go on, and nothing really suspicious, but there are a few people who came on and mentioned the lack of posts, and then didn't really do much to get things started (Sally, Alona and Glirdy for example) and Lottie put time into that parody, which was funny, but not really productive. So I'm gonna have to go with one of them....

++Sally

So I need to sleep now. Good luck!

[Rikae]

I need to vote soon, but lack much to go on... Wilwa's fishy looking suggestion strikes me as something too obvious for a wolf to actually say, now that I look at it again... I think maybe I'll vote for Glirdan, simply because of the somewhat nervous (?), anxious almost breathless tone of his post. Last time I was a wolf, I remember worrying that my own posts had a similar feel to them - and in the past, I've found an awareness of things like tone has often been more useful than logic in catching wolves.
On the other hand, Glirdan's just coming back to werewolf after a long absence, and it wouldn't be very nice to vote him on Day 1, especially when he can't post for most of the Day. I'll have to give it more thought.

[Loslote]

Oh man. I come on after a long hard day of writing funnies in class, and I come back to not even two pages? Man...

[Glirdan]

Okay, so I'm finally back (it's been a long day....a gun would have been appreciated at some point....) and have done some reading since I last posted and am absolutely loving how everyone is jumping on the bandwagon to vote for those of us who legitimately could not be here for the Day. :rolleyes:

One who pops out the most would be Izzy for two different reasons. One, she was the first to point it out. Two, she herself has posted very little. Why make the accusations when you yourself are doing so as well? Perhaps to hide a furry secret?

Although I do find Wilwa's posts rather interesting....why suggest that we all reveal who are partners are? Would that not defeat the purpose of the mod god's game and narrations?

Maybe I am just too tired to even actually fully understand half the posts at this current moment...which wouldn't surprise me. :rolleyes:

Considering I just walked through the door not even fifteen minutes ago, I believe I am going to go take a quick breather (get a drink and something to eat more likely) and then come back and tackle this. I shall return!

[Lariren Shadow]

While the lack of posts means people are not saying anything, its kind of good for those who had to work and are now getting caught up *cough*me*cough*.

Anyway, as for revealing our PM buddies, I don't really see what that does to the game. So you know who's talking to who and sharing ideas in private. Or you know who is manipulating who. Either way, what does that information do for catching wolves? And, lets be honest, the Seer is the only one who can really know the role of their partner.

I have no read on the people here. Other than the fact that Shasta looks shifty...and that is all meta game <3.

I really have no read on anyone. There hasn't been a lot said.

[Loslote]

So, there really isn't much going on now is there.....do I have to say something controversial to get this thing rolling? OK then, here goes...

I think everyone should reveal who their Lover/Pen Pal is, just to get everything out in the open! Honesty is of course the best policy and all.


If that doesn't stir something up I may have to resort to voting randomly for someone...or maybe voting for myself....or maybe false reveal as something.....cause something exciting obviously needs to happen in order for people to start talking....

This is where she first brought it up. This seems rather innocent to me, and I don't see any reason to suspect her for what seems to have been said in a very joking tone.

Outing the 'PM Pals', hmm? I suppose we could, but what would it accomplish?

The first reaction. Inzil takes it seriously but asks what purpose it would serve. I must admit, this struck me as kind of evil at the time.

Probably nothing but confusion. I just wanted to get some form of a discussion started and that was the first thing I thought of.

Wilwa restates that she was joking.

I like the idea of outing the pm-pals. At least it gives us something to talk about, and I definitely need something to restore my enthusiasm over the disappointing turn of the last game. I'll go first - mine is Izzy. You're all free to believe or disbelieve me as you see fit.

Rikae also likes the idea, and goes so far as to reveal that Izzy is her penpal. This seems a tad bit evil, as well, but to doesn't feel quite as bad to me as Inzil's.

Hmmmm. I'm not sure I like that idea. I mean there's nothing wrong with it, but I don't see why we necessarily should either. Meh.

Sally doesn't like the idea very much and wonders what use it would be. Knee-jerk reaction: innocent.

About revealing the pen-pals... hmm. Hard to say as there seems to be no immediate pros or cons: it might help the wolves planning their kills but it might also help us with some possible combinations I think. Needs some thinking as well.

Nog sees both sides. I have no idea what this means, evil or innocent.

And I'm fine if people want to reveal their PM Pals (it was just a suggestion to get discussion started), but I won't say who mine is cause I'm not sure he'd be ok with that, but if he comes on and sees this and wants to say we're PM Pals then he can go ahead and do that, I won't mind.

Wilwa's tone here seems to suggest that she didn't expect the idea to take off so fast and she's a bit alarmed. Kind of innocent, kind of evil.

That's the problem. There can be things we can try and learn about our pen pals as the game goes on but at least now it's probably quite futile. And if we reveal all the pen pals right now it might affect the way the wolves communicate via PM's - and not for the more "readable" direction - well saying this out aloud might have a similar kind of effect as well now as I think of it.

Again, debating whether or not to reveal penpal. He seems to decide against it, but not too decisively.

Although I do find Wilwa's posts rather interesting....why suggest that we all reveal who are partners are? Would that not defeat the purpose of the mod god's game and narrations?

Glirdan also doesn't see the point. Knee-jerk: I have no idea. Could be either, since only one person had revealed at this point and it probably wouldn't do much good to jump on it.

Anyway, as for revealing our PM buddies, I don't really see what that does to the game. So you know who's talking to who and sharing ideas in private. Or you know who is manipulating who. Either way, what does that information do for catching wolves? And, lets be honest, the Seer is the only one who can really know the role of their partner.

Lari doesn't see the point and doesn't think it would be helpful. See Glirdan's for reaction.


So right now, my top suspect is Inzil, but Lari, Glirdan, or Nog could also be wolves, and that's only based on the Pen Pal Debates.

I think I'll go look at Zil now.

[Loslote]

*scowls* This was way too short.

I can only speak for myself, but the answer here is a definite no. Just a poor Working Stiff.

And bravo, Lottie. The only thing missing is the melody! By the way, was that based upon something else, or was it a Lottie Original? ;)
So, this is it so far? I'll be back when more of the young people begin to stir.

Aww! Thanks!

Wilwa- Guilty for making lists. :p

Still nothing of note? This is disappointing, even for Day 1. It does look likely I'll be making a shot in the dark by voting for a sub, at this rate.
Outing the 'PM Pals', hmm? I suppose we could, but what would it accomplish?

EDIT-had to remove one of Wilwa's smilies to allow one of my own

Talked about this before. It looks suspicious to me. It walks the border and doesn't say much of anything.

I was wondering the same thing, Wilwa. You're may be right, but I don't know how you could be so sure.

Izzy, hm? Well, I would ask you if she's said anything interesting, or, even better, lupine, but then, how do I know you're not a wolf? :rolleyes:
This is why I don't see what this gains us. We're flying blind both ways, here and with our PM Pals.

x/d with Nog and Wilwa

Now he doesn't like the idea; banter with Izzy. That's all he posted.

I've got to go. I should be back before dl, but just in case:

++Zil

[Glirdan]

Okay...so....so far we have two votes:

Vote for/ Vote by

1. Alona - Nogrod
2. Sally - Wilwa

Bot are rather safe votes seeing as neither Sally nor Alona have been able to get on to defend themselves, let alone post. However...I do believe that this is mainly due to the time zone differences and thus I am inclined to believe at this point that neither of these to voter's are Wolves. At least not at this time.

Which leaves everyone else.

Sally, Alona, Lottie and Lari have hardly posted at this point in the game. In fact, Lari and Lottie have just posted (good to hear from you by the way :) ) and I do believe that Sally and Alona will be on sooner or later to defend themselves and also put their input into the conversation.

One person, who is always vocal, has remained rather silent thus far and it makes me rather concerned. Where has Morsul been all Day? He has not posted once which is rather odd.

Izzy makes me rather nervous as well. I have already explained two of my reasons in my previous post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=621300&postcount=33). But another reason has come to my attention...yes she has posted rather little, but all of her posts so far have been small posts with really nothing of substance. Sure you can all say that I haven't had many at this point either, but up until this point, I have only had two posts due to prior commitments and no computer opportunities. There is only one post of hers with any substance in it and that is the one where she makes the rather weak argument against those of us who could not be here to participate in discussions. She is one I will most definitely be keeping an eye on.

Rikae has been a rather active participant in the discussions (thank the lord!) raised about our Pen-Pals and has raised some interesting points of her own. I'm inclined to believe she is innocent at this point, and no it's not just because she said she would rather not vote for me...although that is an added plus! :D

Shasta has been rather quiet as well and seems to have been slipping under everyone's radar. He's had one post and it was to say that we have already been through Day 1....Did we not agree to completely erase the fact that we did that and NOT take that into consideration? I was under the impression we had. Although, he does bring up a rather good point that Wilwa has been the most vocal out of the group toDay. And then he drops us something....

[QUOTE=Shasta]
I may just have to pull out my Magic 8... uh.... I mean, my crystal ball. Yeah, that's it.[QUOTE}

A cryptic clue?? Or a furry tactic to make us think he's innocent? And I would not put it past him of the latter.

Which leaves Zil....I can't seem to get a read on him at this point.....I would like to hear a little more from him before I vote.

So my suspect thus far is Morsul, Izzy and Shasta. But I will wait a little while longer before I cast my vote.

Oh, and X'ed times 2 with Lottie

[Inziladun]

One who pops out the most would be Izzy for two different reasons. One, she was the first to point it out. Two, she herself has posted very little. Why make the accusations when you yourself are doing so as well? Perhaps to hide a furry secret?

To be fair, I think she also said there were four wolves, so I'm not sure if she was entirely serious about that.

Although I do find Wilwa's posts rather interesting....why suggest that we all reveal who are partners are? Would that not defeat the purpose of the mod god's game and narrations?

Wilwa said she was basically just trying to get people posting, and it appears she was somewhat successful. I didn't think she was all that enthused about it herself, just trying to get reactions.

The first reaction. Inzil takes it seriously but asks what purpose it would serve. I must admit, this struck me as kind of evil at the time.

Sally doesn't like the idea very much and wonders what use it would be. Knee-jerk reaction: innocent.

So right now, my top suspect is Inzil, but Lari, Glirdan, or Nog could also be wolves, and that's only based on the Pen Pal Debates.

So, Sally and I say practically the same thing, yet somehow I'm evil and she isn't? :rolleyes:

x/d with Lottie (ah! my first vote!) and Glirdan

[Rikae]

Loslote, you say Wilwa restates that she was joking.

of this:

Probably nothing but confusion. I just wanted to get some form of a discussion started and that was the first thing I thought of.

How do you interpret this as Wilwa "restating" (especially when she never said it in the first place) that she's joking? Trying to get conversation started is not the same thing as joking; an actual "joke" would probably do nothing to start conversation, since it isn't worth responding to at all.
It almost looks like you're trying to cover Wilwa's tracks for her.

[Glirdan]

Trying to get conversation started is not the same thing as joking; an actual "joke" would probably do nothing to start conversation, since it isn't worth responding to at all. It almost looks like you're trying to cover Wilwa's tracks for her.

Or maybe Lottie is trying to make us think this way? What if really, Lottie is just trying to sway us into thinking that Wilwa is a Wolf? Just playing devil's advocate here.

[alonariel]

Eek! Just got home from work - both glad and sad at the lack of posts.

Revealing the PM-pals: I somewhat agree with Wilwa, it could cause a lot of confusion. However, if an ordo is paired with a wolf in this game (I was last game - Nog, dear, the vote hurts but I'll forgive you!) and has a suspicion about their PM pal, it might give their suspicions more credibility if we get it all out on Day 1 who is paired with who.

Or it could just cause massive confusion. I don't know. At the moment, I won't reveal unless it's alright with my partner - though he hasn't been on a lot today, either, much like me I'm afraid.

I don't have any solid suspicions at this point, but we'll see. ToDay is extended by two more hours because Gwath has commitments, so maybe something will come out of the woodworks by then?

[Rikae]

Glirdan, either way, Lottie would be making herself look wolfish in the process... and there's no cobbler, is there?

[Glirdan]

Glirdan, either way, Lottie would be making herself look wolfish in the process... and there's no cobbler, is there?

As I said, devil's advocate. And no, there is no Cobbler.

[Inziladun]

Morsul's absence is a bit disconcerting, but I don't see him as voteworthy just yet.
At the moment, I think I'm leaning toward Lottie. No one else really stands out as much at the moment, and her vote for me wasn't very well reasoned, even if it is me saying so. I never said I was for or against the PM-Pal outing, yet she claims I flip-flopped.
There's also the way she seems to be misrepresenting Wilwa's words, as Rikae notes. I'd like to hear from some others though before I decide.

x/d with Glirdan

[Rikae]

I have to go now - I'm going to go with my gut. Tough to explain, but my initial impression has been reinforced by his newer posts:

++Glirdan

Good night/Night!

[Inziladun]

Well, I don't think I'll be around for DL, so it's

++Lottie

As I said, her vote seemed quite forced, and no one else looks worse.

[Isabellkya]

I'm here and catching up on some posts I see.
My grand/parents just walked through the door about an hour ago, and have been entertaining them for a bit.


Just to clarify. I was not making an argument about/towards the four whom in succession came on and posted essentially the same thing. I was making an observation.

I'm not entirely sure how much substance you are expecting on a re-day one; when it seems half the population has other commitments. I'm sure one day science will make advances in telepathy - so we can monitor ww via our minds. xD

In relation to the PM/Pen-Pals.
I don't mind that Rikae and our penship was revealed. I'm not entirely sure how revealing or not revealing could help in any way. What advantages and disadvantages could come about from either choice.

x'd with Inziladun

[Isabellkya]

Glirdan what is your opinion on Wilwa's vote?

[Glirdan]

Glirdan what is your opinion on Wilwa's vote?

My answer is in an earlier post of mine actually.


Both are rather safe votes seeing as neither Sally nor Alona have been able to get on to defend themselves, let alone post. However...I do believe that this is mainly due to the time zone differences and thus I am inclined to believe at this point that neither of these to voter's are Wolves. At least not at this time.

That is my opinion on both Wilwa and Nog. However, seeing as their votes are rather too early to tell anything, there is always the possibility that one of them is a Wolf and I would not put it past either of them for two reasons: 1) Both of their votes are safe. 2) They both voted early, thus eliminating the "They joined the bandwagon" situation.

[Morsul the Dark]

here...reading... so what exactly happened... I have Pms from two people claiming to be my buddy... and this is "attempt 2"...

[Glirdan]

Oh, and just to keep the voting updated:

1. Nogrod -------> Alona
2. Wilwa -------> Sally
3. Lottie -------> Zil
4. Rikae -------> Glirdan
5. Zil -------> Lottie



Hmmmm....I just noticed something rather interesting....Lottie and Zil both voted for each other....both have come up with their own reasonings, true.....But could this be a Wolf on Wolf vote to lure us away from believing so?

[Isabellkya]

Plgh. I keep thinking that deadline is at nine, not in less than ten minutes.

Ahh, okay. I must've missed that. I suppose I should clarify. What is your opinion on her vote reasoning. As she essentially voted for one whom came online, noticed lack of posts, then didn't contribute to the post count number. Which you are condemning me for mentioning. xD

I've got to vote now.
++Shasta

Somewhat random. I know he can contribute more, Mister!


X'd with Glirdan and mistyped Shasta's name.

[Lariren Shadow]

Ah! Deadline?!

++Shasta

Really, just pulling a name out here.

[Isabellkya]

yes Morsul; we started over. The admin thread has more and full details.


X'd with Lariren

[Morsul the Dark]

++Glirdan in a deadlock of votes it looks like he's trying to toss some suspicion...

[alonariel]

DL toDay isn't until 10PM PST, guys. Gwath posted on the admin thread.

[Isabellkya]

So much for mental notes....

[Glirdan]

++Glirdan in a deadlock of votes it looks like he's trying to toss some suspicion...

Really?? Do explain this a little more, if you wouldn't mind. Also, why have you been so quiet toDay? Rather mysterious, shifty, Wolfish behavior if you ask me. Care to explain?

[Lariren Shadow]

Well then, I have no idea if retracting votes is allowed, but

--Shasta

I don't really want to vote for him, mostly because that was just a "aaaahhhh deadline" decision.

[Morsul the Dark]

Sorry had work then RCIA classes(where's Formy when you need him?)

If my fiance doesn't take the computer to work Friday I'll be on quite a bit as I'm off from work.

[Morsul the Dark]

Hmmmm....I just noticed something rather interesting....Lottie and Zil both voted for each other....both have come up with their own reasonings, true.....But could this be a Wolf on Wolf vote to lure us away from believing so?


This caught me as odd... However as I came into something very confusing I thought DL was when a few other people said so those two together made a kind of... ok this is a crappy vote but it's all I got kind of thing...

And if I recall Gwath said no vote retractions.

[Morsul the Dark]

Albert Einstein was pretty hairy, I think he was part lupine.
So was Galileo, Pascal, Da Vinci, Lincoln...

I see a theme popping out here. Any geniuses out there? xD

I knew I couldn't hide forever
(For the record I accidently misspelled "hide" at first:rolleyes:

[alonariel]

Just an update:

1. Nogrod -------> Alona
2. Wilwa -------> Sally
3. Lottie -------> Zil
4. Rikae -------> Glirdan
5. Zil -------> Lottie
6. Izzy -------> Shasta
7. Lari -------> Shasta
8. Morsul -------> Glirdan

I see the validity of what Glirdan was saying about Lottie and Zil, especially since Lottie was the first and pretty much only person to bring up suspicion around Zil and stick with it. Rikae's suspicion of Glirdan seems a little shaky - Glirdan didn't post all that much and what he did post seemed honest.

Lari's vote was last minute, by her own admittance. Nog's vote was probably due to time constraints and Wilwa's vote for Sally seemed like a best guess on Day 1.

Though I've said I don't have that strong of suspicion, Shasta's quiet-ness alone is making me suspicious of him - where have you been toDay, kind sir? Then again, Morsul makes me nervous with his out of nowhere vote for Glirdan. How is what he said about Lottie and Zil suspicious?

I'm leaning towards either Morsul or Shasta at this point. Not much to go on, but it's all I have for Day 1.

[Lariren Shadow]

So I can't retract my vote? Oh great.

Morsul, can you point me to this? I skimmed the admin thread and couldn't find anything.

[Morsul the Dark]

Just an update:

1. Nogrod -------> Alona
2. Wilwa -------> Sally
3. Lottie -------> Zil
4. Rikae -------> Glirdan
5. Zil -------> Lottie
6. Izzy -------> Shasta
7. Lari -------> Shasta
8. Morsul -------> Glirdan

Though I've said I don't have that strong of suspicion, Shasta's quiet-ness alone is making me suspicious of him - where have you been toDay, kind sir? Then again, Morsul makes me nervous with his out of nowhere vote for Glirdan. How is what he said about Lottie and Zil suspicious?

Look at the votes when I voted(crossing with the second shasta vote) Everyone had one Looked to me like self preservation "Look people voting for each other quick vote them not me" added to a mistaken DL I went with gut oh well vote me if you want save me some trouble for a week.

[Morsul the Dark]

So I can't retract my vote? Oh great.

Morsul, can you point me to this? I skimmed the admin thread and couldn't find anything.

Post 60 in the Admin Thread Easy to miss

I should have also mentioned in the game rules that there will be no retractable votes.

[Morsul the Dark]

Being a bit Macabre at the moment due to sleepiness I do have say I'm somewhat glad to know my absence would make people lean towards"Wolf" instead of atually worrying about my safety:D:eek:

[Glirdan]

Well, with an hour left of voting, I believe I am going to cast my vote as it is getting rather late here (as in it's midnight, I have school in the morning and I really should go to bed...).

So without further delay,

++Morsul

For his nowhere vote for me. No real explanation involved and his lack of enthusiasm for the game. Could be a Wolfish tactic to throw us off the tracks.

Anyways, this is me signing off! Hope to see everyone on Day 2...if not, well, what else is new. :rolleyes:

[alonariel]

I'm not having the best of times right now, so I'm just going to vote and go to bed. For reasons stated earlier:

++Morsul

[Morsul the Dark]

really there's another hour? I;m way off the DL huh?

oh well Anywho

1. Nogrod -------> Alona
2. Wilwa -------> Sally
3. Lottie -------> Zil
4. Rikae -------> Glirdan
5. Zil -------> Lottie
6. Izzy -------> Shasta
7. Lari -------> Shasta
8. Morsul -------> Glirdan
9.Glirdan----->Morsul
10.Alon------>Morsul

top three:
Shasta-2
Glirdan-2
Morsul-2

and Two more votes to come in If I'm correct? See you on the other side... maybe

[Morsul the Dark]

For the record I've explained my vote like five times it was(I thought Last minute) which you let Lari slide on Alon...

Glirdan and Alon seem to be thinking too much alike for my comfort.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, that makes my vote obvious, then.

++Morsul

Reason - I have two votes now (thanks, Lari :p) and voting Glirdan would hardly be a proper welcome after his years-long hiatus.

Edit: X'ed with two Morsuls.

[Morsul the Dark]

Well even if another person votes one of the leaders my vote came first.

I'm a Hunter enjoy the rest of your game Wilwa was my buddy.

let's see anything else before I go?....Nope

Have fun.:D

[satansaloser2005]

K, so the Downs just ate my post. Granted, it wasn't very long, but it still ticks me off. Basically I had said that I don't want to get rid of Glirdan without seeing what he can do (since I've never played with him before) and that I suspect Morsul but am trying to decide whether or not I'm being biased from my feelings from not-yesterDay. Oh, and I said I wanted to snuggle Wilwa. :p


Anyway now things have changed. I mean the circumstances, not my feelings. Also, I need to check what happens in the event of a tie. Anyone?

ETA: Great. I've no idea. I mean obviously I wouldn't want a tie, but I wanted to know what would happen in case. Meh.

[Morsul the Dark]

Tie is never mentioned in the thread. however Tradition states in the case of ties the person who First got the votes gets lynched,,, and even if for some unknown reason Both people are lynched I'm still gone... Thirdly... well there is no third.

[satansaloser2005]

Tie is never mentioned in the thread. however Tradition states in the case of ties the person who First got the votes gets lynched,,, and even if for some unknown reason Both people are lynched I'm still gone... Thirdly... well there is no third.

Well some mods do a coin toss, and others (who are weird :p) like to do the last person to receive vote count as the lynchee. Each mod is different.


Erm, I feel squicked by this now. I'm going to think for a couple minutes.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'll take down my Grimoire post... but I'm copying it ready to paste it :)

[satansaloser2005]

I face a dilemma.

I'm a bit of a meta-brain by nature and I won't lie about it. I keep meta-stuff out as much as possible, but I can't get rid of it now. Anyway, the point is that I'm trying to decide whether or not to seal Morsul's fate. Here's some questions.

Should we keep him around? If so, why? Why not?
How does the hunter in this game even work? (Obviously a question for Gwath.) Does he take down anyone, or just a wolf?
If he's really the hunter why hasn't he told us his target?
Why did he not speak up sooner? (And did he really have the chance? And should he even?)
Is it completely wrong to lynch him now?
Am I insane? (Please leave this one blank.:p)

ETA: x'd with Morsul. Am I being a complete cow or is this bothering anyone else? I'm so bloody confused lol.

[satansaloser2005]

It'll drive me bonkers otherwise.

Morsul, tell us who your pick is at least. If I don't hear a worthwhile case for why I should save you in the next five minutes or so you're dying.

[Morsul the Dark]

I would not reveal my target because if I did and it were an innocent of course the wolves would kill me anyway.. otherwise they would leave me alone and I know... or think I know a probable wolf. being a revealed huner just might add to your annoyance and most importantly I got three votes within a half hour there was no time to defend myself really...


That answer your questions?

[satansaloser2005]

*taps screen*

Erm, hello? Is anyone out there?

*whimpers*

Mummy, I'm scared of the dark. Don't leave me all alone.:rolleyes:

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm here... I know not much comfort;)

[satansaloser2005]

I would not reveal my target because if I did and it were an innocent of course the wolves would kill me anyway.. otherwise they would leave me alone and I know... or think I know a probable wolf. being a revealed huner just might add to your annoyance and most importantly I got three votes within a half hour there was no time to defend myself really...


That answer your questions?

Yes, but if you're killed toDay and you've chosen someone and they don't die we have a known innocent, which in a game this small can mean a lot if they're kept alive even for a Day or two. And if you think you've got a wolf you may as well say it because they'll go down with you. You're not helping your case, mate.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm here... I know not much comfort;)

Lol. Well better than no one I suppose. :p

*snuggles you*

You know I'm still gonna have to lynch you, right?

[Morsul the Dark]

Glirdan would be my target. But if he's innocent two things could happen... one they take me out with the innocent therefore losing you two maybe three people(considerring tonight's outcome)

Or they leave me alone we think Glirdan is a wolfbecause of it and lose him tomorrow then they kill me off with hopefully an innocent and that's pretty much the end of the game

And If he's a wolf they leave me alive till the end knowing my track record of lousy votes.

[satansaloser2005]

Nogrod-->Alona
Wilwa-->Sally
Lottie-->Zil
Rikae-->Glirdan
Dun-->Lottie
Izzy-->Shasta
Lari-->Shasta (2)
Morsul-->Glirdan (2)
Glirdan-->Morsul
Alona-->Morsul (2)
Shasta-->Morsul (3)

Haven't voted yet: Sally:rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Glirdan would be my target. But if he's innocent two things could happen... one they take me out with the innocent therefore losing you two maybe three people(considerring tonight's outcome)

Or they leave me alone we think Glirdan is a wolfbecause of it and lose him tomorrow then they kill me off with hopefully an innocent and that's pretty much the end of the game

And If he's a wolf they leave me alive till the end knowing my track record of lousy votes.

Gwath, I want an explanation before I vote. Can I have that?

[satansaloser2005]

And Morsul, change your pick. Change it now. I mean it. Change your pick.

*hates herself for this, but knows what must be done*

[satansaloser2005]

I can't vote unless I know the circumstances of ties and of the hunter's parameters. Sorry, folks, but that's how it's gotta be. If Gwath lets me vote after he explains I certainly will.

[Gwathagor]

Hurry up and vote, Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

If nothing else I'm at least allowed an explanation, right?

Anyway, I picked up on some things while readin Glirdan's few posts that lead me to believe he may be....well, may be innocent at least, and with such strong feelings I felt it necessary to be....lol a bit bolshy. Things going not exactly to plan (aka the meta-ing and just general uneasiness and confusion) tend to make ma even more scatter-brained than usual and often make me sound sharp. Sorry if my tone offended anyone, as that was certainly not my intention.

Anyway, I'm going to cast my vote and hope that Morsul made the right decision according to his idiom (sir) and that this will turn out for the best.

++Shasta

Love you, muffin, but for once in my life I'm gonna follow my hunches and make a tie instead of break it. Best of luck to whichever of you survives, and I hope to see you all come toMorrow! :)

[Gwathagor]

DL

I flipped a coin and Morsul will die.

[satansaloser2005]

Hurry up and vote, Sally.

*salutes*

Sorry. I had wanted to explain before but obviously explaining without a vote looked silly so I just plopped my post back in. Bloody internet won't cooperate.

*signs out for the night*

ETA: x'd with the mod. Oh bloody....

[Gwathagor]

Hush!

[Gwathagor]

Halfway through the day, a chill east wind began to blow through the city, bringing with it promise of rain. And sure enough, as evening came, black clouds rolled in across the skyline, settling just beside the city. The wind picked up. Trash was whirled and tossed about in the gutters. Raindrops began to patter.

In the deserted street, a streamlined Chevy sat idling at a traffic light. The light turned green, but the car didn't move. Suddenly, the clouds opened up and rain began to pour down by the bucketful. Raised voices, coming from inside the car, could just barely be heard over the roar of the torrential rain. Angry shouts. Accusations. The light turned to red again.

Then the passenger side door was flung open and a girl stepped out, slamming it shut behind her. She ran to the sidewalk and under the shelter of an awning, her arms clutched about her for warmth. She looked back at the solitary Chevy, and hesitated. Then she turned, and walked back down the street, soaking wet, hair dripping.

Inside the Chevy, Jimmy the Saint sat alone. Hands on the steering wheel, eyes staring bleakly off down the road that led out of town, off into the distance.

Another car screeched to a stop alongside him. He looked over. It was Wild Billy, who threw him a jaunty salute and took a swig from something in a brown paper bag. Jimmy stared back, blank and desperate. Billy rolled down the window and leaned over to say something, but suddenly there was a roar, a horrific screeching of spinning tires, and Jimmy's Chevy tore off down the road. Billy slammed on the gas and took off after him. Out into the heart of the storm.

Five miles down the road, Billy caught up to the Chevy and pulled up alongside it. Both cars were really flying now. Billy motioned to Jimmy to pull over, but Jimmy only accelerated. 80. 85. 90. Billy's car pulled forward again, moving up next to the Chevy. He looked over at Jimmy, and looked back at the road - only to find that the road before them had flooded out.

Both cars slammed on their brakes and the Chevy spun out of control, did a 360 degree turn, and slammed directly into the other car. Billy's vehicle was instantly flipped onto its side while both cars continued to skid across the road, leaving a trail of twisted metal all across the road. Finally, the two cars came to rest, crumpling like tin cans against a telephone pole. There was a moment of silence, and then a deafening explosion. Jimmy the Saint and Wild Billy were gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_h4jxXPENU

Almost immediately, the rain died down and the wind fell to a gentle breeze. As the clouds began to break, some people in the city noticed a trail of black smoke drifting up into the swiftly fading sunlight.

***
Night 2 has begun. Baddies, Angel, and Dreamer, send me your respective PMs whenever you're ready.

The Living
Johnny 99 - Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya
Mary - Rikae
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Rosalita - Loslote
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent

[Gwathagor]

As fireworks showered and sparkled in the warm night air above the fairgrounds, Sandy walked down the boardwalk, looking for someone she was used to seeing there about this time of night. She made her way by the arcade, the old hangout bars, the fortune-teller. All were closed, silent.

But behind her, in the shadows, someone followed.

She passed the greasers slouching about down at the beach. Further along, she passed Hazy Davy, Killer Joe, and their crew drinking and gambling, their carefree laughs floating up to heaven. None noticed the quiet girl or the one who followed her.

Finally, Sandy came to the circus. Like the rest of the city, it was shut down for the night. But she waited there nonetheless, sitting on a park bench and watching the fireworks. He would come, she knew. She was sure. He always did - or - or had he finally left? He'd always joked about getting out, leaving the city for the green hills to the west. She stood up in anxiety. Had he finally gone?

She noticed someone coming towards her through the long moon-shadows.

"Is that you?" she half-whispered, half-called.

Then she noticed the gun in the person's hand and she fled in terror. Back into the beating heart of the city.

Footsteps clattered behind her as she flew in silent terror down an alley and out into an empty intersection. She stopped, spun about, looking up and down each street. Which way? Was she still being followed?

The figure emerged from the shadows again and stood on the street corner, just outside the light of the street-lamps. The figure took a step forward. Sandy took a step back, her eyes on the gun, which the figure slowly raised.

At that moment, there was a loud growl of engines, one, then another, then many in chorus, and down off the hill came a gang of motorcycles making their nightly rounds. They tore through the intersection, shattering the silent tension which connected Sandy and her pursuer. And then they were all gone, flying down the road. All but one. Between Sandy and the figure in the shadows, a biker sat, his iron steed idling. He extended a hand to Sandy, who hesitated, then took it and climbed aboard. Then they were gone into the night, the sound of the motorcycle all but a memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ314hldal4

[Remember: the personal pronouns I've used are for ease of narration only. They do not denote whether the player is actually male or female.]

***
No one died. Day 2 has begun.

The Living
Johnny 99 - Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya
Mary - Rikae
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Rosalita - Loslote
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent

[satansaloser2005]

Wicked!

[satansaloser2005]

K, so thanks to the calamity of yesterDay I think we might be in a bit of a pickle. Dill, butter, sweet, etc. Imma gonna go make a list and come back with questions.

[Inziladun]

A Ranger save? Outstanding. The first thing to figure out is why they were after you, Sally. I missed most of the stuff that happened around DL yesterDay, so I think it could be worthwhile to look at that more closely.

[Inziladun]

The only thing that jumps out about Sally in the last hour or two before DL is that she voted in the end for Shasta over Morsul. It could have meant Shasta's death, but for the coin toss.
I don't think that's proof of Shasta's guilt, but it doesn't make him look particularly good. He also voted for Morsul, though admittedly that was to save himself. I can't necessarily blame him for that alone.
Hm. An attempt to silence one who almost killed him, or a wolfish plot to put him under a cloud?
I guess I should look back at the rest of Sally's doings to see if there's anything there. That'll probably have to wait a few hours, though. My bed awaits.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so here's what I think.

Now is the time for everyone to come out with their lovers. I did the math during the Night and came up with the following.

10 of us left (which is updated obviously lol). Three wolves, two gifteds. So basically we have the seer and ranger with their partners, but they're acting alone more or less because they'd have to be dern careful with what they say because they don't know who their partner is. (Still don't know why Nog found that strange, by the way.) Anyway, the wolves can say anything they want (except that they're wolves of course:p) because their partners are probably ordos anyway.

If I was a wolf I'd kill off my lover, to be honest. I mean, really. A seer lover would likely want to dream their partner, so it's in the wolves interest to (at least in the absence of a better kill) get rid of any unwanted attention. So my theory is that if we know everyone's lovers maybe we'll be able to figure out at least some sort of pattern in yesterDay's activities.

I'd say my lover tried to kill me but, as you've probably already guessed, my sweetcakes was Glirdan, and he....well, yeah. Ya know.


So here's what I know so far.
Rikae/Izzy
Sally/Glirdan
Everyone else?

Let's start with Alona.

[alonariel]

So here's what I know so far.
Rikae/Izzy
Sally/Glirdan
Everyone else?

Let's start with Alona.

Well it's Shasta, my Boston husband, of course.

Have to say I think the Ranger save last Night gives us a shot at winning this game! And besides, who would keep us all entertained around here if Sally were gone?

[satansaloser2005]

Well it's Shasta, my Boston husband, of course.

Have to say I think the Ranger save last Night gives us a shot at winning this game! And besides, who would keep us all entertained around here if Sally were gone?

Well that makes things fairly easy then.

I wonder....

Hmmmm. I need to PM Gwath. Being innocent and single gets you no action. (Heh. I see what I did there.)

Anyway, not that I have to believe you, but what are you, Alona dear?

[alonariel]

Well that makes things fairly easy then.

I wonder....

Hmmmm. I need to PM Gwath. Being innocent and single gets you no action. (Heh. I see what I did there.)

Anyway, not that I have to believe you, but what are you, Alona dear?

Plain ordo like last game, I'm afraid. I'm actually surprised the wolves didn't go after me Night 1 - which might exclude Rikae, Wilwa, Lari and Shasta since they were present at the Bostonmoot games ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Plain ordo like last game, I'm afraid. I'm actually surprised the wolves didn't go after me Night 1 - which might exclude Rikae, Wilwa, Lari and Shasta since they were present at the Bostonmoot games ;)

Haha. Well I'd say since I was the Night 1 target the wolves have to include Nerwen, but we've already established that. Now to find her partners. :p


Is anyone else even on? 'Cause if not I'm going to bed. (No offense, Alona dear, but I may as well be on when there's more activity.)

[alonariel]

Is anyone else even on? 'Cause if not I'm going to bed. (No offense, Alona dear, but I may as well be on when there's more activity.)

Understood. I'm posting my list in a little bit and then heading off to bed myself.

[satansaloser2005]

*nods*

K good. I'll save some time to read it before I head out but I've been battling an epic migraine and have to write up something for a friend of mine so I should get off soon, at least for a while.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, for ease, could people put their lovers like this?

You/your lover

I'll be super busy and want to get a list compiled as quicky as possible. Really it's just a game of logic, but Glirdan and I had some pretty strong hunches and I think we can figure out a pack based on who's left in each pairing (as in who's paired with who and who's killed as the game goes on will lead us to their murderers).


Make sense? Goodie. I'm gonna pop out for a bit then. :D

[alonariel]

Okay, no more Bostonmoot references, at least for now. A list, then:

Nog: His vote was probably just because of time zones, so not much to go on there.

Inzil: He reacted to Lottie's suspicions fairly level-headed, but I haven't played much with him at all, so I don't know his style or how he reacts in certain situations.

Shasta: Very shifty, but that could just be meta game. He seemed pretty quiet to me for Day 1 - and though I understand his reasons to vote to save his skin, this doesn't rule him out as a possible wolf, because you could make the case that anyone, regardless of their role, would do the same thing to save themselves.

Izzy: Somewhat suspicious of Glirdan, but ultimately voted Shasta. Not too sure about her just yet.

Rikae: Admittedly scares me (in a good way, I think), so I'm glad to have her on my side in this game. Her suspicions of Glirdan - the "tone" of one of his posts - seemed a little weak, though she was the first to vote for him. So no bandwagon reason there.

Sally: Her end-of-Day behavior confused me a lot, but for good or bad, I'm glad she's still here. She keeps the discussion going, which makes me think she's more innocent than evil. I don't think a wolf would want to draw that much attention to themselves with so few people in a game and so early on in a game.

Lottie: Her suspicions for Inzil came out of pretty much nowhere, which either makes me think wolf-on-wolf or something along those lines.

Wilwa: Honestly I'm not getting a bad vibe from her at all, just helpfulness. Innocent, or a talented wolf flying completely under the radar?

Lari: Hasn't posted enough for me to get a vibe, and I don't want to use meta game in these posts so I can't say much more.

[satansaloser2005]

Rikae: Admittedly scares me (in a good way, I think), so I'm glad to have her on my side in this game. Her suspicions of Glirdan - the "tone" of one of his posts - seemed a little weak, though she was the first to vote for him. So no bandwagon reason there.



The thing I find interesting about this is that she seems to know Rikae's on her side. There's only two ways she could know that. Either she's the seer or they're wolves together (since they both have admitted to having other lovers).

I'm just sayin'.

[alonariel]

The thing I find interesting about this is that she seems to know Rikae's on her side. There's only two ways she could know that. Either she's the seer or they're wolves together (since they both have admitted to having other lovers).

I'm just sayin'.

I just meant we're on the side of innocents. All I know is whenever I'm evil, Rikae knows it like the back of her hand. And if she is evil...eek, well then I'm totally screwed. But I'm not really getting that vibe, hence my goodwill statement that we're on the same side.

[satansaloser2005]

I just meant we're on the side of innocents. All I know is whenever I'm evil, Rikae knows it like the back of her hand. And if she is evil...eek, well then I'm totally screwed. But I'm not really getting that vibe, hence my goodwill statement that we're on the same side.

I see....well you'll have to understand that it still looked mighty strange.

[alonariel]

I see....well you'll have to understand that it still looked mighty strange.

True true. I guess my mind's still adjusting from Boston!

[satansaloser2005]

True true. I guess my mind's still adjusting from Boston!

Aha! I caught you in the act! "No more Bostonmoot references", eh? Lynch! Lynch! Stuff a Danish down her throat and end her now!


:Merisu:

[alonariel]

Aha! I caught you in the act! "No more Bostonmoot references", eh? Lynch! Lynch! Stuff a Danish down her throat and end her now!


:Merisu:

Actually, if you'd allow me to reference Boston one more time, stuffing a Danish down my throat would translate to stuffing Rune down my throat. But by all means, go right ahead... ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Actually, if you'd allow me to reference Boston one more time, stuffing a Danish down my throat would translate to stuffing Rune down my throat. But by all means, go right ahead... ;)


Peter Jackson called. He wants the Subtlety Mace back.

[alonariel]

Peter Jackson called. He wants the Subtlety Mace back.

I'll give him the mace if he gives me Viggo stark naked on a silver platter. Do you have Pete on speed dial by any chance?

[satansaloser2005]

I'll give him the mace if he gives me Viggo stark naked on a silver platter. Do you have Pete on speed dial by any chance?

:eek:

If Viggo shows up stark naked anywhere around me he'll get mace too.

Heh. Mace in the face. I see what I did there.

[alonariel]

:eek:

If Viggo shows up stark naked anywhere around me he'll get mace too.

Heh. Mace in the face. I see what I did there.

I'm turning in for the night, dear! Catch you later!

[Loslote]

Hmmmm....I just noticed something rather interesting....Lottie and Zil both voted for each other....both have come up with their own reasonings, true.....But could this be a Wolf on Wolf vote to lure us away from believing so?

If it is, I wasn't informed.

I'm on, in case you hadn't noticed by the fact that I posted.

[satansaloser2005]

Who's your lover, Lottie?

[Loslote]

Who's your lover, Lottie?

Nogrod. Zil analysis pending, but I keep missing posts, getting to where they should be, and headdesking. :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

Day 1

I can only speak for myself, but the answer here is a definite no. Just a poor Working Stiff.

And bravo, Lottie. The only thing missing is the melody! By the way, was that based upon something else, or was it a Lottie Original?
So, this is it so far? I'll be back when more of the young people begin to stir.

Nice little first post. Makes everyone happy, says he's off. Nothing much there.

Wilwa- Guilty for making lists.

Still nothing of note? This is disappointing, even for Day 1. It does look likely I'll be making a shot in the dark by voting for a sub, at this rate.
Outing the 'PM Pals', hmm? I suppose we could, but what would it accomplish?

EDIT-had to remove one of Wilwa's smilies to allow one of my own

Wilwa banter; complains about lack of posts; comments on the outage of the pmers. About the pmers, this is exactly what I think when I read this: If everyone wants to I have no objection but I don't know why we should.

I was wondering the same thing, Wilwa. You're may be right, but I don't know how you could be so sure.

Izzy, hm? Well, I would ask you if she's said anything interesting, or, even better, lupine, but then, how do I know you're not a wolf? :rolleyes:
This is why I don't see what this gains us. We're flying blind both ways, here and with our PM Pals.

x/d with Nog and Wilwa

Questioning how Wilwa knew there would be no wolf/gifted pairings; banter with Izzy. This also says nothing. "You're maybe right, but I don't know how you could be so sure." Maybe, but maybe not.

To be fair, I think she also said there were four wolves, so I'm not sure if she was entirely serious about that.

Wilwa said she was basically just trying to get people posting, and it appears she was somewhat successful. I didn't think she was all that enthused about it herself, just trying to get reactions.

So, Sally and I say practically the same thing, yet somehow I'm evil and she isn't? :rolleyes:

x/d with Lottie (ah! my first vote!) and Glirdan

Defends Wilwa; resonding to me. Yes, because Sally's actually took a stance. Yours said nothing but sounded nice, if you look closely.

Morsul's absence is a bit disconcerting, but I don't see him as voteworthy just yet.
At the moment, I think I'm leaning toward Lottie. No one else really stands out as much at the moment, and her vote for me wasn't very well reasoned, even if it is me saying so. I never said I was for or against the PM-Pal outing, yet she claims I flip-flopped.
There's also the way she seems to be misrepresenting Wilwa's words, as Rikae notes. I'd like to hear from some others though before I decide.

x/d with Glirdan

I claimed you flip-flopped because you never actually gave a position, but you seemed to twice. I did not misrepresent Wilwa's words. In the post where she suggested revealing pm pals, she also considered fake revealing or voting herself. In my mind, that counts a joking. Inzil also worries about Morsul's absense.

Well, I don't think I'll be around for DL, so it's

++Lottie

As I said, her vote seemed quite forced, and no one else looks worse.

Votes me because my vote was forced.

Day 2

A Ranger save? Outstanding. The first thing to figure out is why they were after you, Sally. I missed most of the stuff that happened around DL yesterDay, so I think it could be worthwhile to look at that more closely.

Is happy about the Ranger save and says the first thing is to establish why they were after Sally. Wants to look at the dl stuff. Honestly, that doesn't seem all that helpful to me, since at the dl it was just Sally and Morsul, and they're both cleared already.

The only thing that jumps out about Sally in the last hour or two before DL is that she voted in the end for Shasta over Morsul. It could have meant Shasta's death, but for the coin toss.
I don't think that's proof of Shasta's guilt, but it doesn't make him look particularly good. He also voted for Morsul, though admittedly that was to save himself. I can't necessarily blame him for that alone.
Hm. An attempt to silence one who almost killed him, or a wolfish plot to put him under a cloud?
I guess I should look back at the rest of Sally's doings to see if there's anything there. That'll probably have to wait a few hours, though. My bed awaits.

Looks at Sally and thinks that Shasta could be guilty.

I still think he's wolfish, but he hasn't posted much. It's hard to tell.

[Loslote]

Plgh. I keep thinking that deadline is at nine, not in less than ten minutes.

Ahh, okay. I must've missed that. I suppose I should clarify. What is your opinion on her vote reasoning. As she essentially voted for one whom came online, noticed lack of posts, then didn't contribute to the post count number. Which you are condemning me for mentioning. xD

I've got to vote now.
++Shasta

Somewhat random. I know he can contribute more, Mister!

X'd with Glirdan and mistyped Shasta's name.

Has she ever mentioned Shasta before? Not that I saw, at least, but I could be mistaken. Izzy? Or it's a gutfeeling, random vote, which, although not horrible, isn't great either. Not picking up too much here.

Ah! Deadline?!

++Shasta

Really, just pulling a name out here.

She didn't cross with Izzy. If dl really was right when she posted, she would have cemented Shasta's death. If it weren't a hasty, random vote, it would look pretty bandwaggony. But it was a hasty and random vote, so I don't know what to think. She later says:

Well then, I have no idea if retracting votes is allowed, but

--Shasta

I don't really want to vote for him, mostly because that was just a "aaaahhhh deadline" decision.

Right. So. What does this mean? She doesn't really want to vote him, and she wasn't on the lynch possibilities list. Maybe a packmate was, though, and though she wanted to save xem, she also didn't want to be suspicious herself.

So for right now, Lari looks suspicious to me, but Izzy doesn't really. Izzy could easily change; Lari not so much.

[alonariel]

Is happy about the Ranger save and says the first thing is to establish why they were after Sally. Wants to look at the dl stuff. Honestly, that doesn't seem all that helpful to me, since at the dl it was just Sally and Morsul, and they're both cleared already.

I know Morsul was cleared after his death, but how could you know that Sally was cleared already? This statement doesn't make sense unless you have more information...

[satansaloser2005]

I know Morsul was cleared after his death, but how could you know that Sally was cleared already? This statement doesn't make sense unless you have more information...

I think she means that when Dun made that statement the attempt had already been made on my life, so we already knew I wasn't a wolf.

[Loslote]

Probably Guilty
Zil
Lari

Possibly Guilty
Shasta
Izzy

Not a Clue
Nog
Rikae
Alona

Possibly Innocent
Wilwa

Probably Innocent
Sally
Lottie (Nore of a definitely, but I'm not going to bother making a new heading.)

Well, alright then. Probably going to vote Zil or Lari, but could be persuaded to vote Shasta, or Izzy. I will not vote Wilwa, Sally, or myself, and it would take a seer reveal or something similar to make me vote Nog, Rikae, or Alona.

EDIT: xed with Alona and Sally - yay!

[Loslote]

I know Morsul was cleared after his death, but how could you know that Sally was cleared already? This statement doesn't make sense unless you have more information...

I think she means that when Dun made that statement the attempt had already been made on my life, so we already knew I wasn't a wolf.

Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry. I meant that Zil wanted to look at the interactions of two known innocents, and that didn't seem all that helpful to me.

[alonariel]

Right. So. What does this mean? She doesn't really want to vote him, and she wasn't on the lynch possibilities list. Maybe a packmate was, though, and though she wanted to save xem, she also didn't want to be suspicious herself.

Though I've only played with Lari in one game before, I know she's the type - like me - to make on-the-spot decisions when a DL is close. I can see how you might suspect her, but I think it was just an honest mistake on her part. The DL was 9PM last game, 8PM this game then changed to 10PM a few hours before the DL yesterDay. Even I'm confused a little there.

[alonariel]

Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry. I meant that Zil wanted to look at the interactions of two known innocents, and that didn't seem all that helpful to me.

Okay that makes more sense, but his post was on Day 1 and at that point I don't think Morsul had revealed as the Hunter yet. So his comment wasn't between two known innocents at that point, right?

[Loslote]

Though I've only played with Lari in one game before, I know she's the type - like me - to make on-the-spot decisions when a DL is close. I can see how you might suspect her, but I think it was just an honest mistake on her part. The DL was 9PM last game, 8PM this game then changed to 10PM a few hours before the DL yesterDay. Even I'm confused a little there.

Point noted. The split second decision isn't the issue - I don't mind Izzy doing the same - it's the hint of bandwaggoning that alarms me. Lari kind of jumped on Izzy's vote, and that would have killed Shasta if the dl really was then.

EDIT: xed with alona

[Loslote]

Okay that makes more sense, but his post was on Day 1 and at that point I don't think Morsul had revealed as the Hunter yet. So his comment wasn't between two known innocents at that point, right?

Actually, the post I was talking about was his first on Day 2. Morsul and Sally were both known innocents at that time.

[alonariel]

Point noted. The split second decision isn't the issue - I don't mind Izzy doing the same - it's the hint of bandwaggoning that alarms me. Lari kind of jumped on Izzy's vote, and that would have killed Shasta if the dl really was then.

EDIT: xed with alona

True, Morsul's vote for Glirdan cross-posted with Lari's vote for Shasta - and Glirdan and I hadn't voted at that point, so a lot of cards were up in the air. She did try to retract the vote, too - and that post came before mine and Glirdan's votes tied Morsul with Shasta.

[Loslote]

Lari's voting Shasta makes me reconsider his place on my list. He slips down to Unsure, and I now don't really want to vote him toDay.

[alonariel]

Actually, the post I was talking about was his first on Day 2. Morsul and Sally were both known innocents at that time.

Okay, but here's what worries me: your surety that Sally's a "known" innocent - when in fact, only Morsul and Glirdan are the "known" innocents.

Why are you so certain of Sally's innocence, Lottie?

[Loslote]

Okay, but here's what worries me: your surety that Sally's a "known" innocent - when in fact, only Morsul and Glirdan are the "known" innocents.

Why are you so certain of Sally's innocence, Lottie?

Because the wolves tried to kill her. As far as I know, the wolves aren't going to try to kill a packmate. Or if they did, then we've got some really dumb wolves. :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sally's innocent because her character, Boardwalk Sandy, was the target of the kill in the night narration. At least that's what I'm gathering.

Which puts me in a pickle. Because if it wasn't known that Sally was an innocent, I'd probably vote for her sheerly on the basis of this revealing-lovers business.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

By the way, don't consider this as me being "here". I just popped in right before bed to find out that Alona's been naughty. :(

[alonariel]

Because the wolves tried to kill her. As far as I know, the wolves aren't going to try to kill a packmate. Or if they did, then we've got some really dumb wolves. :rolleyes:

First, the wolves would kill a packmate if they thought the sacrifice would help them win. This is how Nienna, Form and I won Boro's game.

Second, how do you know that Sally was the Night 2 kill choice? Where is the evidence for this?

[alonariel]

By the way, don't consider this as me being "here". I just popped in right before bed to find out that Alona's been naughty. :(

My dear, how have I been naughty?

[alonariel]

Second, how do you know that Sally was the Night 2 kill choice? Where is the evidence for this?

Ah, okay I guess the narration gave this away, as Shasta pointed out. But I'm sitting with Lari here right now and she tells me that narrations generally don't point out specifically who the attempted Night kill was...however, this might be a different situation, as we've all been finding out.

[Loslote]

Ah, okay I guess the narration gave this away, as Shasta pointed out. But I'm sitting with Lari here right now and she tells me that narrations generally don't point out specifically who the attempted Night kill was...however, this might be a different situation, as we've all been finding out.

Yeah, pretty sure it does this time. What with him using her char's name and all.

And would a wolf really Night-kill their packmate? Lynch, maybe, but not Night-kill. Night-kill you'd know that the wolves just killed one of their own. Not helpful for the wolves. Lynch you'd know that someone killed a wolf, they must be helping us kill wolves.

[alonariel]

Yeah, pretty sure it does this time. What with him using her char's name and all.

And would a wolf really Night-kill their packmate? Lynch, maybe, but not Night-kill. Night-kill you'd know that the wolves just killed one of their own. Not helpful for the wolves. Lynch you'd know that someone killed a wolf, they must be helping us kill wolves.

Like I said, out of the norm for me - and this is my first game back after a long hiatus. Not as long as Glirdan's, of course!

When I talked about wolves sacrificing a packmate, I was referring to a lynch, not a Night kill. Either way - now that I've clued in to the narration - Sally's innocent, yes.

But are we even allowed to know who the wolves tried to Night kill? That would be like knowing who the Seer dreamed of or who the Hunter was hunting.

[alonariel]

Oh mod of ours, did you mean to use Sally's character name in the thread as a signal that she was the intended Night kill? Or was that just coincidence?

[Loslote]

Like I said, out of the norm for me - and this is my first game back after a long hiatus. Not as long as Glirdan's, of course!

When I talked about wolves sacrificing a packmate, I was referring to a lynch, not a Night kill. Either way - now that I've clued in to the narration - Sally's innocent, yes.

But are we even allowed to know who the wolves tried to Night kill? That would be like knowing who the Seer dreamed of or who the Hunter was hunting.

We are now. ModGod has spoken, and we like good little slaves shall listen raptly. Especially when it's to our advantage. :Merisu:

EDIT: xed with Alona

[alonariel]

We are now. ModGod has spoken, and we like good little slaves shall listen raptly. Especially when it's to our advantage. :Merisu:

EDIT: xed with Alona

Alrighty, then. Now that this debacle is over, do you have a list, Lottie?

[Loslote]

Alrighty, then. Now that this debacle is over, do you have a list, Lottie?

*cough*#127*cough*

[alonariel]

*cough*#127*cough*

Eeek! I missed that, sorry. Cool list...reasons, except Lari and Zil since you've stated those a few times?

[Loslote]

Shasta has moved down to Unsure because of Lari voting him.
Izzy because of the dl voting, but she's barely above Unsure, too.
Nog is in Not-a-Clue because I haven't a clue what he is. Same for Rikae and Alona.
Wilwa is under possibly innocent for no good reason other than I think her innocent, and don't suspect her at all.
Sally's innocent because of the narration.
I'm innocent because I'm just cool that way. :smokin: (Seriously, though, never been evil, and proud of it. :p )

[Loslote]

I'm going to have to go to sleep soon, but I'll be back three and a half hours before dl, so I'm not going to vote yet. Good morning! ;)

[Isabellkya]

This post is to say that I'm here and reading.

[Lariren Shadow]

Right. So. What does this mean? She doesn't really want to vote him, and she wasn't on the lynch possibilities list. Maybe a packmate was, though, and though she wanted to save xem, she also didn't want to be suspicious herself.

So for right now, Lari looks suspicious to me, but Izzy doesn't really. Izzy could easily change; Lari not so much.

That's what I meant. I didn't want to vote for him. I honestly was surprised by the deadline, flustered from a long day of work and voted for the first person who I could think of. Which was Shasta. That's why I wanted to retract. It was a horrible split second decision that I didn't want to stick with after I learned it wasn't deadline. I didn't like it when I did it, I wanted to take it back.

Point noted. The split second decision isn't the issue - I don't mind Izzy doing the same - it's the hint of bandwaggoning that alarms me. Lari kind of jumped on Izzy's vote, and that would have killed Shasta if the dl really was then.

EDIT: xed with alona

Yes of course, I was entirely thinking of bandwagon at that point. No, first name in my head. That's all. All that registared to me from Izzy's post was "deadline in five minutes".

Lari's voting Shasta makes me reconsider his place on my list. He slips down to Unsure, and I now don't really want to vote him toDay.

Why? Why does that make him better? Wolves vote wolves. Its a strategy. By thinking one packmate wouldn't throw another under the bus is close minded and like a newbie wolf.

The fact that you, Lottie, have been arguing with Alona and still consider her innocent is interesting. In fact, its almost like a defense. "We were arguing but I thought her innocent so if she's Night killed clearly it wasn't me."

As for knowing who was the attempted Night kill I want to hear back from Gwath. Yes, it was Sally's character, but does that really mean she was the Night kill or was Gwath using the name for narration.

[Isabellkya]

It looks from the narration like Sandy was going to get shot, until a person on a motorcycle interceded. Since there was no death, it looks like a Ranger save. It also looks like Sandy aka Sally was the intended target. Then further down it says the personal pronouns are for ease of narration. I assume in regards to the savior biker? Since Sandy was referred to by name, and not by gender alone? Or was the name picked by random, and we're just thirsty for narration information.

All of these pickle references. Talking about them on the thread, and I keep seeing commercials for them. Though for Vlasic, which those are just.. ewww.

I disagree that it would be "in the wolves interest to (at least in the absence of a better kill) get rid of any unwanted attention." in regards to killing their lovers. It seems like a mighty large trail that they would be leaving behind. I can't imagine them being such generous (and obvious,) Hansel and Gretels.

Izzy, hm? Well, I would ask you if she's said anything interesting, or, even better, lupine, but then, how do I know you're not a wolf?
This is why I don't see what this gains us. We're flying blind both ways, here and with our PM Pals.

x/d with Nog and Wilwa

Questioning how Wilwa knew there would be no wolf/gifted pairings; banter with Izzy. This also says nothing. "You're maybe right, but I don't know how you could be so sure." Maybe, but maybe not.

That wasn't banter with me. That was towards Rikae and her reveal of the two of us as lovers/PMPals.

My vote upon Shasta was half random and half tradition. I didn't have a suspect, and I didn't want to vote for someone whom already had a vote. Day ones don't really come with loads of information, especially slow days - so they are essentially random. So somewhere along the werewolf playing line, voting for Shasta on day one became a tradition, a habit. Not one hundred percent of the time, but a high percentage.

If Sally was indeed the target for the wolves, then it pretty much clears her as being one of them. Wolves don't attack their mates during the Night. At least, I can't recall it ever happening purposely.. Here, we don't have Bus Drivers and list switchers, so that rules out that option.

I took what Inziladun said, as looking at what Sally said on Day One, to see what would've made her a tasty looking morsel for the wolves?


alonariel
In #102
Have to say I think the Ranger save last Night gives us a shot at winning this game! And besides, who would keep us all entertained around here if Sally were gone?

- I assume you are saying that Sally was the wolves' choice?

yet in #139
Second, how do you know that Sally was the Night 2 kill choice? Where is the evidence for this?


In #141
Ah, okay I guess the narration gave this away, as Shasta pointed out. But I'm sitting with Lari here right now and she tells me that narrations generally don't point out specifically who the attempted Night kill was...however, this might be a different situation, as we've all been finding out.


- Why are you flipflopping?

[Isabellkya]

Have we stepped into the Twilight Zone?
I just noticed that Nog has the least amount of posts in the thread.
Is he going to have to Nilp himself via his submarine philosophy?

[alonariel]

Why are you flipflopping?

Because Inzil stated in post #99 that Sally was the intended kill. At the time, I went with it. My debate with Lottie about Sally's innocence didn't spark up for a few hours later and, if you'll forgive me, I'm battling less-than-great RL issues and a barking cough at the moment. I think I forgot about my witty banter post at the beginning of the Day. My memory is terrible on a good day - Lari can attest to this.

[alonariel]

Have we stepped into the Twilight Zone?
I just noticed that Nog has the least amount of posts in the thread.
Is he going to have to Nilp himself via his submarine philosophy?

Seeing as it's Day 2, he might just be saved. Otherwise, I guess I would have to say goodbye to my former Lover... :(

[wilwarin538]

I did not misrepresent Wilwa's words. In the post where she suggested revealing pm pals, she also considered fake revealing or voting herself. In my mind, that counts a joking.



Exactly.


So we're revealing Lovers then, well anyone who read yesterday's posts closely would already know this:

Wilwa/Morsul

I really wish I had not been so exhausted and could have stayed up. Cause Morsul had told me his role earlier in the day, I may have been able to stop people voting him if I had been around. :(


So Sally as the kill choice then, well thank you Ranger! I suppose with such a small village the chance of a Ranger save is more likely, which is wonderful. :DUsually wolves try and go for a *safe* kill choice on Night 1, and I'm sure there were some who qualified as such. But Sally does still kinda make sense as a kill choice, it could be that the wolves were trying to set up Shasta, which would make Shasta look innocent. Or he's just being sneaky by doing something obvious, knowing we'd think it was too obvious and think him innocent. And the fact that he's upset about Alona revealing they're Lovers is kinda odd, I don't really see it as being that big of deal.

I will be back in a little bit, my mother's making me breakfast. :D

[satansaloser2005]

Goodie. That makes it:

Sally/Glirdan
Shasta/Alona
Morsul/Wilwa
Rikae/Izzy
Nog/Lottie
Dun/Lari

My internet's on the blink but I'll come back with conclusions on this in a bit.

[Inziladun]

If I was a wolf I'd kill off my lover, to be honest. I mean, really. A seer lover would likely want to dream their partner, so it's in the wolves interest to (at least in the absence of a better kill) get rid of any unwanted attention. So my theory is that if we know everyone's lovers maybe we'll be able to figure out at least some sort of pattern in yesterDay's activities.

I don't quite see the logic here. I agree that a Seer would be likely to dream their partner early on, if not first, but the odds are against the Seer being paired with a wolf. The wolves might be happy to be rid of a partner that could glean useful information about them, but they might also be thinking they could mainipulate their partner to their advantage. But, since you already know mine is Lari, it's a moot point.

Is happy about the Ranger save and says the first thing is to establish why they were after Sally. Wants to look at the dl stuff. Honestly, that doesn't seem all that helpful to me, since at the dl it was just Sally and Morsul, and they're both cleared already.

Obviously there was some reason she was targeted. Even though Morsul and Glirdan are gone, and both were innocent, you don't see the sense in looking for anything a wolf might have keyed in on? It was worth a try, at least.

As for knowing who was the attempted Night kill I want to hear back from Gwath. Yes, it was Sally's character, but does that really mean she was the Night kill or was Gwath using the name for narration.

I never considered Sandy might not refer to Sally. Both Glirdan and Morsul were referred to in-character in their narration, so why would that not be the case with Sally?

[wilwarin538]

Since nothing is happening I'm just gonna make a list...

Sally: very likely innocent

Shasta: makes me a bit uneasy, it seems like a Sally kill could have been an obvious attempt to set him up, and so I see it as possible that he was trying to set himself up to look good (I know that's a big stretch, I won't base a vote purely on that). And him not liking Alona revealing thier Loverness is kinda odd, since it isn't really that big a deal at this point.

Alona: sits quite well with me, I like that she posts so much

Rikae: is intense, and very Rikae-like, so I'm fairly good so far (I can't get over how different she is in RL)

Izzy: is completely under my radar, which is usual for me, so I'll try and pay closer attention for her

Nog: hasn't really been around much, so I don't know

Lottie: feel quite good about her today, I like her abundance of posts

Inzil: he makes me uneasy, but that's more of a feeling then anything else

Lari: her vote yesterday was a bit weird, but I get that at the time she thought it was deadline, so I'm not too worried


So......I don't really have much right now. I need posts people. :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Mostly it's that the inclusion of Lovers into this game had such possibility, and now there's really no point to it. Kind of ruins one of Gwath's game mechanics. For example, had lovers not been revealed, and I'd been the Seer, I could have easily funneled my dreams through Alona without revealing myself.

Sally, I'm not even seeing what knowing whose lover is who is going to tell us, considering wolves can be paired with innocents. What was your point in making everyone reveal?

[satansaloser2005]

Mostly it's that the inclusion of Lovers into this game had such possibility, and now there's really no point to it. Kind of ruins one of Gwath's game mechanics. For example, had lovers not been revealed, and I'd been the Seer, I could have easily funneled my dreams through Alona without revealing myself.

Sally, I'm not even seeing what knowing whose lover is who is going to tell us, considering wolves can be paired with innocents. What was your point in making everyone reveal?

Well I realized after I'd PM'd Gwath that 'anyone' can be paired with 'anyone'. I was under the assumption (for whatever silly reason) that wolves wouldn't be paired with each other. Erm, whoops? *headdesks* If they hadn't, however, we would have been able to deduce that if partner A is not a wolf partner B must be (or at least has a darn good chance). However I was just the least bit mistaken. :rolleyes:


Internet hates me. Blah. Also, I'm babysitting tonight so I won't be around for the last 6.5 hours of the Day. That being said, I'm obviously going to have to vote early.

I wonder if there's any way the wolves would be stupid enough to not kill me toNight. Wilwa, if you're one of them and you let me live, I'll send you those cookies! :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Mostly it's that the inclusion of Lovers into this game had such possibility, and now there's really no point to it. Kind of ruins one of Gwath's game mechanics. For example, had lovers not been revealed, and I'd been the Seer, I could have easily funneled my dreams through Alona without revealing myself.

Sally, I'm not even seeing what knowing whose lover is who is going to tell us, considering wolves can be paired with innocents. What was your point in making everyone reveal?

Yeah, but why make things easy for the gifteds? ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Dang it. I have to leave soon-ish. Where is everyone? :(

[wilwarin538]

I'm here Sally.


And I'm not a wolf, but I won't vote for you, so I still want cookies. :D;)

[alonariel]

I just got back from the doctor's - bronchial infection, unfortunately. I'll be on for another hour or so, then I have to leave for work and won't be back til 3 hours before DL.

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm here. Nothing much has happened since last night, besides people figuring out who is who's lover.

Mostly it's that the inclusion of Lovers into this game had such possibility, and now there's really no point to it. Kind of ruins one of Gwath's game mechanics. For example, had lovers not been revealed, and I'd been the Seer, I could have easily funneled my dreams through Alona without revealing myself.

Sally, I'm not even seeing what knowing whose lover is who is going to tell us, considering wolves can be paired with innocents. What was your point in making everyone reveal?

Not just that, but the wolves have an added advantage. They can PM between each other and with their lover. So there is multiple levels of planning going on there. And the fact that its all out in the open means that we now know who is sharing secret ideas with who. Well, that is if we take it on face value that everyone trusts their lover.

[alonariel]

I wonder if there's any way the wolves would be stupid enough to not kill me toNight. Wilwa, if you're one of them and you let me live, I'll send you those cookies! :Merisu:

I would really, really love for this to be the issue, but probably not...that's only a mistake a newbie wolf would make, and sadly I'm not a wolf this game. I just hope we could get a few more clues before the end of the Day.

Well I realized after I'd PM'd Gwath that 'anyone' can be paired with 'anyone'. I was under the assumption (for whatever silly reason) that wolves wouldn't be paired with each other. Erm, whoops? *headdesks* If they hadn't, however, we would have been able to deduce that if partner A is not a wolf partner B must be (or at least has a darn good chance). However I was just the least bit mistaken. :rolleyes:

I still don't understand the math of how we would have been able to do this...?

And where are Nog and Rikae...? :(

[Rikae]

I'm here. I don't have much to say. I'm a plain ordo this time around, and I have a lot of non-WW responsibilities today, so although I'm following the discussion, I can't really muster the enthusiasm to contribute much. Sorry.

The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust. Loslote either did a great job of plaqing the newbie wolf yesterDay or is innocent, and Sally is innocent unless I missed something about the narrations... that makes the chance of lynching a wolf fairly good toDay, I guess... I'll try to add more later.

[alonariel]

The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust. Loslote either did a great job of plaqing the newbie wolf yesterDay or is innocent, and Sally is innocent unless I missed something about the narrations... that makes the chance of lynching a wolf fairly good toDay, I guess... I'll try to add more later.

Okay, so I'm learning that comments where I try to be nice don't go over so well...I think that happened a few games back for me, too. Eh, I need to grow tougher skin anyway. Her lack of posts didn't seem wolf-quiet just busy-quiet, so I assumed she was an ordo like me.

[Inziladun]

Not just that, but the wolves have an added advantage. They can PM between each other and with their lover. So there is multiple levels of planning going on there. And the fact that its all out in the open means that we now know who is sharing secret ideas with who. Well, that is if we take it on face value that everyone trusts their lover.

I think the last part of that's the sticking point. Are the wolves or Gifteds really going to give clues to their partners, not knowing what they might be?

I'm here. I don't have much to say. I'm a plain ordo this time around, and I have a lot of non-WW responsibilities today, so although I'm following the discussion, I can't really muster the enthusiasm to contribute much. Sorry.

The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust. Loslote either did a great job of plaqing the newbie wolf yesterDay or is innocent, and Sally is innocent unless I missed something about the narrations... that makes the chance of lynching a wolf fairly good toDay, I guess... I'll try to add more later.

I'm rather busy myself with work stuff (but it's Friday!).
That was an odd thing for alon to say, and it must be noted as at least possibly a wolfish slip. But how could she think she would 'win your trust' by it Rikae?
Loslote still gives me a bad feeling. She's more aggressive and not as logical as I'd expect, and toDay hasn't done much to alleviate that.
I see no reason Sally shouldn't be considered innocent, at this point. It seems quite clear from the narration that she was the intended kill last Night.

[Lariren Shadow]

So first of all, Alona asked me to rely that she will be at work for the next six hours.

Second I guess I'll try a list because there is nothing much else going on.

Nog: I have no read, and he is absent from the game. I honestly have no idea.

Inzil: PM partner, nothing jumping out.

Shasta: He hasn't said much, is kind of staying away. Whether from lack to time or what but I want to keep my eye on him.

Izzie: Again, no idea. Not really sure what to think.

Rikae: I don't know. She is suspicious of Alona saying they are on the same side and busy. Whether Alona is assuming they are both innocent or just saying a general we are all on the village's side it was an interesting thing to jump on.

Alona: Her arguing with Lottie is a lot like innocent Alona getting annoyed. I'm leaning towards not guilty.

Sally: Reasonably certain she is innocent. As in, right if she was the Night kill then she is innocent.

Lottie: I honestly don't like her logic at all. Most of it is flimsy. I have a really bad feeling about her. It kind of seems like she's a wolf with nothing to do and trying to make sense of it.

Wilwa: Not sure at all again. Really, no idea.

So yeah, a lot of people I have no read on, one who looks rather suspicious, and at least one I want to watch. This is super for Day 2.

[Rikae]

Nog: alona seems to think I can read her (and she had an uncanny ability to read me in RL WW), so if she's a wolf I'd expect her to try and win my trust in any event. If she knows I'm innocent (because I'm not in her pack) she may try to imply she knows it either hoping I will trust her because she trusts me (out of general good feelings), or because I'll think she's a seer. Which I don't.

And, Lari, I'm curious as to why you think it was an interesting thing for me to "jump on" - it was, after all, a very odd thing and one of the only things said about me.

[satansaloser2005]

Blah. I have to vote in twenty minutes and I'm not sure who to vote for. :(

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sally, why do you think you were the intended kill last night?

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, why do you think you were the intended kill last night?

Well I'm gonna guess because I put up that big fuss yesterDay over Morsul taking Glirdan with him. *shrugs* Why would you think?

[satansaloser2005]

Harrumph. I have to leave in like five minutes. TALK, PEOPLE! *whimpers*

[satansaloser2005]

++Everyone who's not posting

Is that allowed?


Blah. I have to leave but I'll leave a list and have my trusty duckling keep my updated so if I can get on the net I can post.


Will not vote
Alona
Sally (duh)
Rikae
Wilwa

May vote
Shasta
Lottie
Lari
Izzy

Could easily vote
Nog
Dun





Will refresh once more, then I have to go.

[satansaloser2005]

Fine then. You all suck. :p

You probably have already guessed this, but I'm the seer, and there's no way I'm surviving anyway so it doesn't matter if I tell you.

However, since none of you are posting I'm not telling you that I dreamt two wolves.



Toodles. Be back later if I can.

[wilwarin538]

Fine then. You all suck. :p

You probably have already guessed this, but I'm the seer, and there's no way I'm surviving anyway so it doesn't matter if I tell you.

However, since none of you are posting I'm not telling you that I dreamt two wolves.



Toodles. Be back later if I can.

I've been posting! Tell me! Tell me! ;)

Though, if you don't come back I'm gonna go ahead and assume that the 2 wolves are the two on your list under "Could easily vote for".

But one thing that doesn't make sense is you say you dreamt 2 wolves, and there's been only 2 nights so that's very well possible. But then why were you so sure about Glirdan, when you couldn't have dreamt him, and couldn't have known for sure that he wasn't the third wolf?

I'm inclined to believe you for now, but that part doesn't really make sense to me dear.

[Nogrod]

Finally back home and read the thread. The last posts by Sally... hmm. Back in a minute.

[Nogrod]

As looks quite obvious Sally was the target last Night and was saved by the ranger (decent work ranger as we lost two on D1 - so kind of evens our double loss).

Also it looks to me quite obvious Sally dreamt of Glirdy on N1 - as agreed, the seer would like to know her pal first if he is to be trusted to play together - and thus her panic in the end of the Day.

Furthermore I see no reason to doubt Sally's reveal. And I'll bet she will eventually come back with the one known person to her she must have. But nice drama there at exit to be sure! :)


Now what makes me wonder is that Lottie was actually quite inquisitive about Sally's panic in the end of yesterDay. And even if her speculations ended up more or less thinking Sally innocent she wished to hear my views on possible explanations of her gifted hints. I've been more than busy - and still am, sorry about that guys - and only answered shortly that I thought that gifted-hinting was not a reasonable POV there... and then the wolves try to kill Sally the same Night.

How much did you others discuss Sally last Night? Was it something everyone talked about or...?

[Isabellkya]

I'm a bit confused about the connection between Shasta and Sally. He tried to kill her, so it would point the finger at him; which would be obvious and thus looked at like a set-up. Thus making himself looking more innocent because of it. Seems like a convoluted mess, with a bunch of thens.

I had a similar thought round one. When I was under the impression that only ordos could be paired with wolves. It was quite a scary notion. Because then the wolves would know that their partners were ordos, and if they were capable of sharing whom their lovers were - they could easily rule out three people as not being gifted. Thus leaving them six players to choose from to be a gifted. With three gifteds, it would've been a 50% chance of hitting a gifted night two. Not taking into consideration whomever was lynched. If a non-wolf paired player was lynched, the odds of hitting a gifted would've been higher. Thankfully that wasn't/isn't the case.

o.O

[Nogrod]

Another thing that makes me feel a bit suspicious started from this: Rikae: Admittedly scares me (in a good way, I think), so I'm glad to have her on my side in this game.Now some others have commented on this already but I'm also a bit worried about Rikae's answer to that comment: The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust.But alona first. No ordo but a seer could say that - and a seer most likely wouldn't anyway unless she was to reveal (and this was before Sally came forwards anyway). Especially as she didn't say "I believe" or "I have a strong feeling", or "I have good vibes" but just plain and simple: "glad to have you on my side in this game". I know people think differently, but it's hard to see an ordo thinking like that in any circumstances, especially early on D2 basing her "knowledge" on Rikae's few posts she had made on D1!

But what about Rikae then? Now it looks like a really weird comment to suggest that alona would try to win her trust with that comment. And I guess Rikae realised it as she made a corrective move a bit later explaining alona's possible motivation a bit more. I just feel there is something fishy in there.

It could be within limits of believability that alona and Rikae actually are in cahoots here: alona made a major slip and Rikae tried to distance herself from her because of that.


Be that conspiracy theory as it may be, but I'm most probably going to vote alona again toDay. Not only because of that one thing with Rikae, but also looking at her so busy explaining herself time and time again and making comments I think were more fishy than not. I'll come back with some examples to show what I mean.

[wilwarin538]

It could be within limits of believability that alona and Rikae actually are in cahoots here: alona made a major slip and Rikae tried to distance herself from her because of that.


Because this is a possibility I would be willing to go along with an Alona lynch, but I'd rather wait and see what Sally has to say about who she claims to have dreamt of. A possibly known wolf would be much more fun to vote for.

I really have nothing to do right now, and really wish there was more going on here cause my brain is in WW mode and I can't get out :D. (I've been spending the last 3 hours doing research for the next game I want to mod instead, since not much is happening on here.)

[satansaloser2005]

Wording is everything. I said I wouldn't tell you I'd found two wolves because I haven't. Sorry. I wish I had.

[wilwarin538]

Wording is everything. I said I wouldn't tell you I'd found two wolves because I haven't. Sorry. I wish I had.

Oh. Ok then.

So you dreamt of Glirdan then?

Who did you dream of last Night?

[Inziladun]

Wording is everything. I said I wouldn't tell you I'd found two wolves because I haven't. Sorry. I wish I had.

You ought to be lynched just for that. :rolleyes:

[wilwarin538]

You ought to be lynched just for that. :rolleyes:

She's Sally. 'nuff said.

:rolleyes::p

[Nogrod]

On alona on D2


In the beginning there is basically just some odd air around her posting - something giving me a bit similar kind of feelings she gave me yesterDay, but maybe more. Like answering the question of her role with: "Plain ordo like last game, I'm afraid." :confused: or "wondering" why the wolves didn't kill her during the Night (why would they?).


But then her own explanation to Sally's question why she was so sure Rikae was on her side is interesting to say the least: I just meant we're on the side of innocents. All I know is whenever I'm evil, Rikae knows it like the back of her hand. And if she is evil...eek, well then I'm totally screwed. But I'm not really getting that vibe, hence my goodwill statement that we're on the same side.

"I just meant we're on the side of innocents"!!! Now what? If you're an innocent alona that sentence is not adding anything to what you said earlier - and doesn't explain it in any way.

But why do you feel the need to say that what you really meant, was that you both are innocents? :smokin:

And it is an intresting way to phrase a "goodwill statement" by saying you "know" the other is on the same side as you...

It's hard to believe in your sincerity here alona as the other explanation would fit so nicely.


Then she tried to turn the attention to Lottie on the issue of whether Morsul and Sally were "cleared". And when it backfired she turned into suspecting Sally's innocence with some dedication.

And this sounds like a disappointed wolf brooding over unfair rules: But are we even allowed to know who the wolves tried to Night kill? That would be like knowing who the Seer dreamed of or who the Hunter was hunting.

The last posts she has been mainly defending herself...


At this point of the game she's truly my best bet for a wolf. Especially because of that above quote where she answered the question on why she was so sure about Rikae being on the same side.

And if she is lynched and turns out a wolf, I think we should really look at Rikae closely toMorrow.

[Inziladun]

But anyway, can you at least give us another innocent, Sally? Assuming you really are the Seer?

[Nogrod]

Bedtime.

As Sally has not declared her innocent...


++ alona

For reasons above.


I've had a few terribly busy days now but that's the RL sometimes intruding with a game of werewolf. It should slowly ease up though.

[Nogrod]

If someone hasn't noticed this, pay heed: they may protect the same person no more than two nights in a row. They may protect themselves once only during the game.So we'll have Sally around toMorrow as well. Make your dream a good one Sally!

[Inziladun]

Bedtime.

As Sally has not declared her innocent...


++ alona

For reasons above.

You do make some good points about alon. That remark of hers was bizarre, and not very convincingly explained. Good catch on the Ranger rules as well.
Though alon has emerged as someone to wonder about, I'm pretty well convinced Loslote is evil, unless Sally vouches for her.
As an aside, I think all the people repeatedly declaring their innocence are evil. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Who did you dream of last Night?

The Ranger.

Alona, what are you thinking vote-wise?

[wilwarin538]

The Ranger.

Alona, what are you thinking vote-wise?

Oh. Well at least the Ranger can protect you again toNight, and hopefully you can dream a wolf, or atleast dream an innocent that would be safe to reveal the identity of.

Now that you don't have a wolf to give us I'm not really sure who to vote for. Alona maybe, because of the case Nog made against her, though Shasta isn't sitting well with me either as I said before. I still have a few hours though to think about it.

[Rikae]

Nog, you said:

But what about Rikae then? Now it looks like a really weird comment to suggest that alona would try to win her trust with that comment. And I guess Rikae realised it as she made a corrective move a bit later explaining alona's possible motivation a bit more. I just feel there is something fishy in there.

Lari didn't seem to get what I meant, so I explained it more. No "corrective move".

Think about it: if alona and I were actually wolves together, do you really think she'd say something like that openly... and, if she did, that I would draw attention to it? Your reaction suggests another motive she may have had that I didn't think of before, even - she may be framing me. I'm not sure, though. That would be a clumsy move, drawing suspicion on herself when she's not really suspected yet. Nogrod suspecting me on flimsy grounds... well, that happens in every game. I think there must be something about my personality he just finds evil, since I'm actually evil about 15% of the time...

But what about this using of non-retractable votes when Sally has revealed as seer and has yet to tell us her latest dream, eh? I don't like the looks of that... and it's certainly not something I intend to do.

A list!

Innocent:
Rikae
Sally

Innocentish:
Lottie
Wilwa

Ambiguous:
Inzil
Shasta
Izzy

Naughty:
Nog
Alona
Lari

EDIT: That should read "actually ONLY evil about 15% of the time" ... otherwise it doesn't really make sense...

[wilwarin538]

I need to go for a few hours. I'll be back later on though to vote and stuff.

[Lariren Shadow]

Lari didn't seem to get what I meant, so I explained it more. No "corrective move".

I understand what you mean, I just also know that the way Alona meant the comment was in the "I'm innocent, I think you're innocent too" kind of way. And yes, I did mark that you jumped on it, but I also have no idea about you either way. I just noted that.

So Sally is the seer and dreamed of the Ranger last Night. And she is probably not going to reveal who that is to keep them safe. And she gets another dream toNight.

Other than that, Nog's vote looks backed up based on his ideas. I should vote soon because I have no idea if I'm going to be here for deadline or not.

[Lariren Shadow]

All right, so I'm going to be going and not here for deadline. According to Alona, she will be back in about an hour and a half.

I honestly have no read on too many people in this game. The only one who I feel like I could vote for is Lottie. I didn't like her attack from earlier toDay and she is just rubbing me the wrong. I don't feel comfortable really voting for anyone else.

So

++Lottie

[wilwarin538]

Quick thought before I run off again: maybe we should all vote the same as Sally, just to be sure we don't lynch the Ranger?

[Inziladun]

Quick thought before I run off again: maybe we should all vote the same as Sally, just to be sure we don't lynch the Ranger?

What if everyone can't around wait to see Sally's vote before they have to go for the rest of the Day? Two have already voted.
Also, she can steer us away from the Ranger, but she apparently can't lead us to a wolf at the moment. I don't want to lynch the Ranger, but I don't want an ordo either.

[Loslote]

That's what I meant. I didn't want to vote for him. I honestly was surprised by the deadline, flustered from a long day of work and voted for the first person who I could think of. Which was Shasta. That's why I wanted to retract. It was a horrible split second decision that I didn't want to stick with after I learned it wasn't deadline. I didn't like it when I did it, I wanted to take it back.



Yes of course, I was entirely thinking of bandwagon at that point. No, first name in my head. That's all. All that registared to me from Izzy's post was "deadline in five minutes".



Why? Why does that make him better? Wolves vote wolves. Its a strategy. By thinking one packmate wouldn't throw another under the bus is close minded and like a newbie wolf.

The fact that you, Lottie, have been arguing with Alona and still consider her innocent is interesting. In fact, its almost like a defense. "We were arguing but I thought her innocent so if she's Night killed clearly it wasn't me."

As for knowing who was the attempted Night kill I want to hear back from Gwath. Yes, it was Sally's character, but does that really mean she was the Night kill or was Gwath using the name for narration.

I haven't read past this point, responding as I go.

Yes, I know wolves vote wolves, but they're not going to pluck a fellow wolf's name from a list of six or so names to kill when your vote is probably going to be the deciding vote. You'd vote an ordo. As far as I know, or think common sensical, wolves would not vote a fellow if said fellow wasn't already under suspicion by others. Izzy's vote wasnt' even out of much suspicion. He would have been fine toDay.

I didn't consider it arguing. More like debating. Besides, I don't like players who are too nice. The fact that alona disagreed with me and said so made her look more innocent to me.

[Rikae]

Oh, Sally dreamed of the ranger? I missed that. Well, I'll still wait until she comes back to cast my vote.

[Loslote]

All right, so I'm going to be going and not here for deadline. According to Alona, she will be back in about an hour and a half.

I honestly have no read on too many people in this game. The only one who I feel like I could vote for is Lottie. I didn't like her attack from earlier toDay and she is just rubbing me the wrong. I don't feel comfortable really voting for anyone else.

So

++Lottie

1. What does Alona returning have to do with your being here for dl?

2. Well, obviously I'm not ecstatic about that, but because of my "don't vote people who vote you" tradition...meh. I may break that. Lari looks pretty bad to me right now.

Oh, Sally dreamed of the ranger? I missed that. Well, I'll still wait until she comes back to cast my vote.

1. Good job, Seer!Sally!

2. I'll be waiting, too. I have time, and I definitely don't want to lynch the ranger.

[wilwarin538]

I don't want to lynch the Ranger, but I don't want an ordo either.

No, a wolf is obviously the objective, but an ord is better then the Ranger, especially when we need them toNight to make sure Sally gets another dream.

I can stay up fairly late so I'm waiting for Sally. I think anyone who is able to wait should as well. I mean yesterDay we lynched our Hunter, so it's not impossible that we could accidently lynch the Ranger as well. I think we should play it extra safe toDay, to guarantee getting that dream.

[wilwarin538]

1. What does Alona returning have to do with your being here for dl?


Lari and Alona know each other in RL, I think Lari was just letting us know when Alona would be coming back.

[Loslote]

Lari and Alona know each other in RL, I think Lari was just letting us know when Alona would be coming back.

Oh, that makes sense. Thanks!

[wilwarin538]

Oh, that makes sense. Thanks!

No problem.


Usually I don't have enough time for WW, now I have too much. :rolleyes: I'm kinda bored. I desperately want something exciting to happen.

No one wants to counter-reveal Sally? Or vote for themselves? Or come back from the dead? Or even better, admit their wolfyness? :smokin:

Nothing?

[wilwarin538]

One more thing:

Fea's current sig is funny considering this game: :D

And when the night is cloudy / We will lie awake and think of you / Next time there are Lovers / Lynch them all - Zil



*shuts up and goes to find something else to occupy her time*

[Rikae]

Ok, Wilwa, I'm a wolf. Lynch me.

I think I say that in every game. That has to be some kind of record. :D

[Isabellkya]

I'm not here, and I'm not reading the thread. Nor am I composing a post while I am not reading the thread.

xD

[wilwarin538]

Ok, Wilwa, I'm a wolf. Lynch me.


Omigosh I am too! What a crazy coincidence! :p




Yep....still don't have a life yet...no worries, I'm still searching around....

[Isabellkya]

Haven't people said similar things in other games?
Such as "x is good to have on y side, because they post a lot." or "x is bad to have on y side, if I'm on z side - because they figure me out so easily."

I do see the explaining part. She seems to be having to clarify, or elaborate on things a lot.

A flaw I see on that plan Wilwa is that it won't give us much information to go on toMorrow. If the person picked by Sally is not a wolf, then I imagine the wolves will have no problem in going along with it. I imagine they probably won't have much problem with it, even if it is a wolf - so they could try and blend in with the crowd.

Lynching a wolf is priority. If we can't get one, an ordo is better than a gifted.

I got halfway through a list, and it was mostly "no reads."
So I started over with just a placement on a scale from innocent -> woof woof. Then I started a list again, because I had comments too.

Nog - I'd put him in the middle. I can't get a good read on him, probably due to his busy schedule.

Inziluadun - He seems like a lurker to me. He hasn't gone after me, so I can't help but think he isn't a wolf. Since the last time I think I played with him, he was a wolf - and went after me.

Shasta - Search party? Where's Waldo, but with a turquoise hat and shirt.

Rikae - Same as Nog pretty much. The middle.

alonariel - She flip-flopped earlier in terms of the Sally being cleared and the narration. I don't buy her explanation for it. But as I'm not in her head, nor know her circumstances, I can't push her towards the lupinity group because of it.

Sally - She is Sally... and I can't help but be disappointed that her reveal seemed to be less dramatic than usual. Most reveals are met with a dramatic pause.. or something.

Loslote - I keep wanting to type Lostlote, and I get her, Wilwarin, and alonariel mixed up. She is kind of chafing me, but I think that is just her approach to finding wolves?

Wilwarin - I'm still confused on the whole Shasta deal.

Lariren - She is playing.


So If I had to vote right now. I'd probably vote for Wilwa, Loslote or maybe alonariel. I think my thoughts are muddled on the three, since I keep getting them mixed up.

[Loslote]

But anyway, can you at least give us another innocent, Sally? Assuming you really are the Seer?

Interesting. Still not admitting that she is, thus leaving the possibility for doubt open.

Inzil: PM partner, nothing jumping out.

~~~

Alona: Her arguing with Lottie is a lot like innocent Alona getting annoyed. I'm leaning towards not guilty.

~~~

Lottie: I honestly don't like her logic at all. Most of it is flimsy. I have a really bad feeling about her. It kind of seems like she's a wolf with nothing to do and trying to make sense of it.

1. She refers to Zil as her pm partner. This could easily be her trying to hint that that's all, they're not packmates, just pm pals.

2. If Lari's a wolf, Alona would be a good one to look closely at.

3. "and trying to make sense of it"? What I'm trying to make sense of right now is that post...

Loslote still gives me a bad feeling. She's more aggressive and not as logical as I'd expect, and toDay hasn't done much to alleviate that.

Since when have I been logical? You've suspected me for lack of logic before, and I was innocent. And I'm always aggressive. It's fun. :p

EDIT: xed with Izzy

[wilwarin538]

Wilwarin - I'm still confused on the whole Shasta deal.



Hmm???

Interesting. Still not admitting that she is, thus leaving the possibility for doubt open.

This statement doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying Sally hasn't admitted that she is the Seer, cause I think she has quite clearly? :confused: I must be misunderstanding you somehow...

[Loslote]

This statement doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying Sally hasn't admitted that she is the Seer, cause I think she has quite clearly? :confused: I must be misunderstanding you somehow...

Actually, I was saying that Zil still wasn't admitting it. Later he does, though, so never mind about that one.

[Isabellkya]

Wilwa..
in #160 you said

"Shasta: makes me a bit uneasy, it seems like a Sally kill could have been an obvious attempt to set him up, and so I see it as possible that he was trying to set himself up to look good (I know that's a big stretch, I won't base a vote purely on that). And him not liking Alona revealing thier Loverness is kinda odd, since it isn't really that big a deal at this point. "

I believe you have made reference to it in other posts.

[Inziladun]

Actually, I was saying that Zil still wasn't admitting it. Later he does, though, so never mind about that one.

Misrepresenting me again? :p
I think it's very likely Sally is the actual Seer, but it's hardly proven, is it?
You have a point that I have suspected you before as an innocent, but the alarm bells sound louder to me this go-around.

[Loslote]

Is dl in 22 minutes? I don't want another "oops, wrong dl" confusion...

EDIT: xed with Zil

[Inziladun]

Is dl in 22 minutes? I don't want another "oops, wrong dl" confusion...

EDIT: xed with Zil

I believe it is.

[wilwarin538]

Lottie: k, makes way more sense then whatever was going through my mind :rolleyes:

Izzy: ok, well I admitted it was flimsy, and didn't really have anything stronger at the time

When is DL?? I haven't stayed up late enough for it yet so I don't really know when it is...

[Loslote]

I believe it is.

Excellent. Now who to vote, Zil or Lari...

Anyone wanna give me a vote count? :Merisu:

EDIT: xed with Wilwa

[Rikae]

Haven't people said similar things in other games?
Such as "x is good to have on y side, because they post a lot." or "x is bad to have on y side, if I'm on z side - because they figure me out so easily."

Similar to what alona said? That's not similar. There's a big difference between saying you hope someone is on your side and saying that they are on your side.

[Isabellkya]

I believe 15 minutes til.

and I think only two have voted.

Nog for alonariel
Lariren for Loslote


x'd with Rikae, and fixed a tag.

[Loslote]

I believe 15 minutes til.

and I think only two have voted.

Nog for alonariel
Lariren for Loslote


x'd with Rikae, and fixed a tag.

Thank you. Anyone got a preference between Lari and Zil?

[Inziladun]

Thank you. Anyone got a preference between Lari and Zil?

The question for me is alon or you.

[Rikae]

I'm not voting for Zil and probably not for Lari... I might vote for alona or Nog.

Sally, are you around?

[wilwarin538]

Since Sally isn't around and I don't want all the votes to rush in all at once, I'm gonna vote now, and for lack of anything better:

++Shasta

For my reasons previously stated, that I am well aware are flimsy.

x'ed with a few

[Loslote]

I'm not voting for Zil and probably not for Lari... I might vote for alona or Nog.

Sally, are you around?

I'd be willing to vote Alona, but I'd definitely prefer one of my other suspects.

[Isabellkya]

Any word on if Sally is coming back?

I'd like to wait and see what she has to say, but the page refreshing is getting to be slow; and there isn't much time left.

[Loslote]

Any word on if Sally is coming back?

I'd like to wait and see what she has to say, but the page refreshing is getting to be slow; and there isn't much time left.

I don't know but we really don't have time to wait and see.

[Inziladun]

Time presses.

++Loslote

[Isabellkya]

Wilwa if you had all that time, and your vote for Shasta is because there is nothing better. How come you didn't go over the thread again?


x'd with Inziladun.

[Loslote]

Okay,

++alona

partly to save myself, partly because it's almost dl, and parly because I do think she's suspicious.

EDIT: xed with Izzy

[wilwarin538]

Wilwa if you had all that time, and your vote for Shasta is because there is nothing better. How come you didn't go over the thread again?

Nothing stood out. Everything else looked fine to me. Trust me I went over everything a couple times, I just think everyone looks good. It's annoying.

[Rikae]

++Nogrod

EDIT: Crossed with Wilwa and Lottie. Not trying to betray Lottie, just had second thoughts about Alona.

[Isabellkya]

++Wilwarin

Out of you, Loslote, and alonariel.
your vote just made me feel worse about you. Since you didn't explain more on your Shasta thing, an dyou seemed to of had a lot of time to go over the thread. You may of, but it seems like something would've come out of it.


X'd with Rikae, Wilwarin, Loslote.

[Rikae]

Ay yi yi, now everyone's going to point at that edit tomorrow and say I protest too much. But Lottie seemed trying to build a consensus, and I didn't realize what was going on or that it was to save herself or anything, then I post and see her vote-post and realize that. :confused:

[Gwathagor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYHGh6lmSbo

Her mother hadn't noticed when Rosalita had snuck out the front door, out onto the street, where a waiting car had whirled her away. It was only the bus brought her father home from the factory that her absence was detected. They all knew what had happened and who she was with. Her father called the police.

Rosalita sat in the backseat with Sloppy Sue and the Barefoot Girl, their guys in the front, as the car sped and swerved down the highway, windows down, hands out the windows, hair flying. Free. Rock and roll blasted through the speakers. Laughter and cigarette smoke floated out behind them. The driver looked back at Rosie and flashed her a grin. Rosie smiled back. Her parents said he would come to no good, that he was a ne'er do well - but Rosalita didn't care. He wouldn't always be poor; in fact, he had promised to take her away to California as soon as his record deal pulled through.

His smile disappeared as his gaze was drawn out through the rear windshield. Flashing lights. He turned to face the road ahead and settled in the seat.

"Seat belts on, windows up," he said. "Here we go."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGMPNGCrn5A

And they went, speeding down the empty country road, the police car hot on their tail.

Thirty minutes later, the band of young people were standing on the side of the road, their battered car lying in the ditch, while a policeman grilled them. In the end they were let off with fines and warnings and allowed to go their way - all but Rosalita.

She found herself shoved in the backseat of the police car and dropped off at home minutes later, where her mother railed and cried while her silent, furious father led her to her windowless attic room, slammed the door shut - and then locked her in. She listened as his footsteps faded away down the stairs, then threw herself on her bed and fell into a tortured sleep. She didn't bother to cry, because she knew there would be plenty of time for that later, when her father would return drunk, with that glazed, desperate look his eyes. And then he would beat her.

***
Night 3 has begun.

The Living
Johnny 99 - Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya
Mary - Rikae
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent
Rosalita - Loslote - Innocent

[Gwathagor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK2L_0DeL3U

Mary had been happy at first, when she had taken up with the new guy in town. He was cool. He had a band. They had a kid, they got married, they settled down in a little house just outside the city limits, and Mary felt that everything she had dreamed of for her life was coming true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5VYyw-XyCw

In a few months, however, it was clear that all was not well. The strain was beginning to take its toll on both of them. Mary sat out on the porch, for the most part, she who had once been so lively, and, with hollow eyes, watched the cars drive past. Some of the vehicles disappeared westward down the highway, never to return, and these she gazed after longingly. She would remain there in her chair well after the sun had set, staring out alone into the night - almost as if she was waiting, or looking for something. Then the baby would cry, and she would head back inside. He, on the other hand, has become restless almost immediately. He was rarely home: during the day, he worked construction, and at night, he would take his car - the only thing he seemed to really car about anymore - racing on the strip, in the streets, wherever. Anywhere but home, which he avoided almost as if it was haunted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NltljcANCFs

And perhaps it was haunted - by the ghosts of the many dreams which had been born there and which had died so soon afterwards.

On that particular evening, Mary walked home from the grocery store to find that he was gone - and not in the usual sense. His side of the closet was as bare as a bone, his drawers empty, his shoes all gone. Scattered all across the bed were the love letters he had written to her - only a year or two ago, she knew, but it felt like so much longer. She was not entirely surprised to find him gone, but it broke something in deep inside her nonetheless. She sat on the edge of the bed for hours that night, feeling so, so old, reading each letter over and over again, as she knew he must have done earlier that day.

It seemed he had gone south, or west, maybe, to look for better work, but when Mary disappeared as well, no one was sure where she had gone Her baby was left on the porch of her parents' house. Some suggested that she had gone after him, and others, who pointed out that she would have needed a car for that, suggested that the police department dredge the river. But, in the end, no one seemed to care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPobte6iqSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFO-N01wup0

[Again, there are not necessarily any hints in the narration. I just write what makes sense in the context of the lyrics.]

***

Day 3 has begun.


The Living
Johnny 99 - Nogrod
City Dude - Inziladun
Gypsy Biker - Shasta
Bad Scooter - Isabellkya
Crazy Janey - Alonariel
Boardwalk Sandy - Sally
Jersey Girl - Wilwarin
Wendy - Lariren

The Dead
Jimmy the Saint - Morsul - The Highwayman (Hunter)
Wild Billy - Glirdan - Innocent
Rosalita - Loslote - Innocent
Mary - Rikae - Innocent

[alonariel]

Okay, guys, sorry for bailing for most of yesterDay. Here's what I mostly wanted to say but couldn't because of RL problems. Fairly long - hopefully not too hard on the eyes:

But alona first. No ordo but a seer could say that - and a seer most likely wouldn't anyway unless she was to reveal (and this was before Sally came forwards anyway).

Interesting thought, Nog - unfortunately at this point, I'm most likely gone by the end of the Day, which won't let the wolves win immediately, but it's not a good thing, either. It's a shame that, once people look at a comment in a certain way, they stick with that POV and don't try to see things from another angle.

Wilwa was acting rather level-headed throughout the Day, so I pegged her as innocent since Glirdan told me at one point that she usually only gets worked up when she's either gifted or a wolf. She also didn't jump on Nog's lynching of me right away, either, and waited for other opinions to come in.

Lari, like myself, wanted to dip out of the restart game so I figured she wasn't gifted or a wolf.

Nog I didn't have much of a feeling on until he made a case for my lynching based on Rikae thinking my comment about her was "odd." His behavior seemed bandwagon-esque. And then making a case that Rikae and I are both wolves?

Lottie was someone I was completely wrong about, which makes me re-consider her somewhat flimsy scrutiny of Inzil, even though it might have just been Day 1 ordo-on-ordo. I will say that I would've voted for her, though not because of the tie but because of how she was jumping on Lari - who I'm pretty sure is innocent because of reasons stated above.


People's thoughts on last Night's kill? Pretty much frames me up nicely for a lynch today. Are we thinking the wolves might have thought she was the Ranger?

Sally, any luck dreaming of a wolf?

[satansaloser2005]

As a matter of fact I might have. However....

Since toDay may be my last Day -again- I'd like to leave you lot a bit of something to chew on. That being said, I will reveal my dream(s) at the end of the Day. With the information I have (or even without it) we've nearly a 50/50 chance of lynching a wolf, which will greatly increase our chances of winning. What I'd like from everyone is a plain and clear suspicion list with as much reasoning as possible for your choices. Anything you can give will help the cause, and I'd love to hear from each player before mid-Day if possible. Mehbe?

Also. Ranger. I need some sort of way of knowing whether or not you protected me last Night. I'm clever, so are you. You'll think of something. And as for the rest of you, please don't go all half-cocked with voting and make me tell you who she is. I'll be very cross with the lot of you. :p

So. I'm off to analyze. I believe I'll start with Nog. He's been far too quiet.

(Also, the internet's being flimsy as usual so I may be only here in short doses. Never fear, though, for I'll certainly let you know what I know before the Day is out. Also also, I seem to have caught Epic Death, so if I don't show up before a few hours before the deadline someone should probably text me or something to wake me up. I'm just sayin'.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Makes sense to me. If Sally dreamt a wolf, telling us who it is this early on in the Day would basically shut down any progress we'd make today (you know it's true).

[satansaloser2005]

Also, I kind of want to know how everyone feels about their lovers.


Alona, you're on. Anything to say about Shasta?



ETA: Ah, Shasta's on too. Lol reverse the question as well. :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Also, I kind of want to know how everyone feels about their lovers.


Alona, you're on. Anything to say about Shasta?



ETA: Ah, Shasta's on too. Lol reverse the question as well. :)

Nothing really to say. We haven't PMed at all since the lover pairings were revealed.

[alonariel]

Also, I kind of want to know how everyone feels about their lovers.


Alona, you're on. Anything to say about Shasta?



ETA: Ah, Shasta's on too. Lol reverse the question as well. :)

Wait, so do you want me to answer that question or not...? I can, if you'd like.

Will work on the list, pronto.

[alonariel]

Nothing really to say. We haven't PMed at all since the lover pairings were revealed.

But we just cross-posted in the same minute...that has to count for something right, my love?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

But we just cross-posted in the same minute...that has to count for something right, my love?

Sorry, Mrs. Peacock, I'm still depressed about it. :(

...:p

[satansaloser2005]

Listen, I hardly expect you to listen to me, but perhaps you should reconsider that choice, Shasta. You never know. Alona may have insight you hadn't previously thought of. (Of course the same is also true in the other direction, I'd suspect.)

In other news, yes, Alona, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Shasta. And I'm looking forward to your list!

Either of you have anything you'd like to discuss currently?

:rolleyes::)