WW: LXXVI - At Moria: EXTRA Edition

[Inziladun]

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I don't think I like falling at all! It's bad on the nerves, and not at all like gliding down over Mulholland...

Why couldn't we go over the mountain rather than into Moria?

Banter.

Oh good! At least I'm not falling alone now. I don't like heights and I'm scared of the dark in this accursed place!

Glirdy is always evil. Even when he's not.

I wish I had butterfly wings right now to fly around in here... but I'll settle for grabbing the walls with my sticky frog finger tips... maybe that makes me a Gollum...

EDIT: crossed with the nickname discussion. Hi there!

More banter, with a reference to Glirdan.

Ooh! Xed. I like. Henceforth, that shall be my nickname, and it shall be mine. :D

Bah. I don't like the hairy kind of strong leaders, and mistrust leaders in general, even when not hairy and wolvish. Anarchy for the win!

I think I shall wait for more of the fallers to wake up before selecting suspects. So far, I've nothing to go on, but am greatly enjoying the nicknaming.

Says needs to see more of everyone to form opinions.

As long as they take a bath...

Banter.

I think votes used to have to be bolded to make them easier to see and count, but I haven't been here for a very, very long time and don't know if that has become an official rule or not.

Explains voting protocol to I think, BG.

I plead not guilty to the charge of being a wolf. For evidence, I submit my entry in the hitchhiker's guide - mostly harmless. Also, I love to eat garlic. Wait, that's for vampires...

However, all of our cotravelers who aren't at the party yet are definitely wolves.

Hmm. This might seem a bit off, but it could also be just part of her style.

Well, depending on timezone, yes (3 AM here, woohoo!). But Day with a D is the phase in the game when the village is up to talk, and not the actual RL daytime with a d. In this case, Day starts and ends whenever the 24h deadline passes in game - in this case, starting about 3h ago.


More explaining rules.

Yellow submarines!

I rather like that I've only played with about half of this group before... it keeps my old habits of preconceived assumptions from prior games mostly out of my reasoning, which is excellent.

Likes that she doesn't know us all.

So between now and the end of the Day, the village can be expected to go absolutely mad and vote someone to die a gruesome death for wolfishness. After that, the 24h Night phase starts, during which the wolvies may PM and the gifteds get to do their thing.

No one dies on the first night except the mod to give everyone a chance to play.


More rules explanations.

Day one lack of substance and early bandwagons. These are a few of my favorite things... not.

Goes catching up on the last page...

My only problem with that statement is that she contributed precious little substance herself.

Yay, Tom Petty!

I have a mild problem... no one is appearing suspicious to me so far. The only thing that is bothering me is the rule talk above, which I find a little bit distracting... but that is probably just perfectly legitimate clarification for the new entry into WW... and the most I could possibly make out of it is a pair of shoes if I wanted to find it suspicious.

Arbitrary kill off, Shasta??

So no one looks suspicious. Says the discussions of the rules bother her, but again, she did quite a bit of that herself.

Regarding the special extra powers, I think it makes sense to hold on to that for later. Having an extra dream at the end of some past games would have made all the difference then...

I won't vote for anyone who hasn't been here. Of those who have, the only one I can't get anything on at all is Elfie. And so...

++Elfie

Says that the Gifteds, singling out the Seer, should hold onto extra powers and not use them immediately. I agree that two dreams in one Night possibly would be useful to the Seer later rather than sooner, but I still worry that the Seer might leave it too late, and have the bad luck to be Night-killed, with us getting nothing.
More concerning is the vote for TEW. Voting someone just because you don't have any sort of read on them? That seems awfully arbitrary, and a very safe vote for someone of the furry persuasion.

x/d with tum and Lottie

[Boromir88]

Now to me, when you say a post makes someone look innocent, you're saying you think their words are those of an innocent. Granted, I'm notoriously pedantic, but that did seem rather wishy-washy.
I just think there's a difference between attitude and the content. Like Lottie usually winds up saying several confusing things and writing creepy song parodies that get her in trouble. However, be PM buds with her for a day and you'll also find out she's quite the feisty, aggressive wolf-huntress. I mean in that relationship I found myself being the calmer and tempered one, and that rarely happens. :p

Yesterday, she just confused me and was distant from the action until the end of the day. People may think it's a weak reason for a vote, but it was a vote and at the start of today it looked like everyone's just assuming she's innocent and ignoring the fact that an innocent got lynched. So, I make this vote that apparently was a weak one, but besides Lottie there shouldn't be many who have insight to her role, and I'm definitely suspicious of those who are claiming that I made a bad vote with terrible reasons.

Today, she's been feisty and in the action, which seems typical Lottie and good to see, but I do not like the content she's been saying about me! It's essentially what I meant about Nienna yesterday, it was good to see her "cut the banter, I'm going to make my posts mean something" attitude, but not the rather random advice for the seer.

Boro's response to suspicion toDay doesn't look too bad, though.

Well, I actually agree with Nerwen, I've been disappointed so far in my own participation. I find myself loving the game mechanics and "bonus" options, but I don't have the time to partake in more. I mean I'm probably going t be in bed within the hour, because literally my weekdays I spend over half the day preparing for work, driving to/from work, and work. So, I may seem a bit of a grouch the first few days, that's nothing anyone's done, just my own exhaustion setting in. (I think I was the one who called you lazy Morsul, didn't mean any offense. My frustration is I'm able to find time after 13 hours a day away from a computer, at work, and still play and vote than there really is no reasonable excuse for anyone aside from bad internet or being straight out sick. I mean you might not like having to make a decision based on 3 pages of banter, but it screws the rest who do make that voting decision as well as just being kind of rude to the Mod.)

I'm feeling a little less curmudgeonly than the start of the day. The thing about the start is it was like it was determined I drew the short straw today and everything was building fast for every possible reason.

1. Didn't like my vote - sorry, but how is it bad again? And how can anyone say it was weak and easy when multiple people didn't even vote at all, and then others at the end voted to lynch an innocent Nienna? For what reason? She voted for a newbie on Day 1?

I guess it was a throw away on her part, she couldn't have expected a new player to get lynched on Day 1, but she voted for someone who up to that point didn't post at all. I was going to ask her why she didn't vote McCaber, who is not a new player and had not shown up, and yet again hasn't shown up. This has got me in trouble for suggesting it before, but as far as I know right now McCaber is going to get mod-fired if he doesn't come on to vote. We've already had wilwa pull out, it would likely be a good idea to leave McCaber as a viable choice if there is no one else that is striking us as a sure-fire wolf. And als tum for that matter who's completely disappeared as well. My oh my, there really is A LOT of dead weight and this is just going to start making me more bitter.

2. I killed Izzy because her vote meant I thought she was the seer - Now I always want to kill the seer early as a wolf, because fact is I'm likely going to be an early seer dream. But newsflash for you, I don't freak out about every single person who votes for me and think IZZY VOTED FOR ME SHE HAS TO BE THE SEER! Izzy's a savvy vet, and to give away her dream that easily, is not only bold but I don't see it. Also, the fact that of the multiple people who voted towards the end yesterday I swear 3-4 of you announced some sort of suspicion, or uncomfortability about me (including Paranoia trying to take back his vote and vote for me)...that would raise my alarms of a possible seer much more than Izzy voting for me.

Has it even been considered that Izzy, who would have known one wolf was taking directions of who to vote for, from the wolf that she knew? There were a lot of people who said I looked suspicious yesterday, but nope, I killed Izzy because I freaked over the 1 vote for me.

3. Some mysterious narrational hint, that wasn't a hint at all and Mira back-pedalled from.

4. Saying I'm going to "curl into a ball."

So 3-4 I might be exaggerating a bit, but seriously at the start of the day I had everything being thrown at me...at least I haven't heard the "Boro's looking too desperate in defending himself" Probably because I can't participate much, and after this post, wonder if that one will be added to the laundry list. :rolleyes:

Edit: crossed with several, but hey tum's showed up, don't have to worry about that. McCaber?

[Inziladun]

I just think there's a difference between attitude and the content.

It's essentially what I meant about Nienna yesterday, it was good to see her "cut the banter, I'm going to make my posts mean something" attitude, but not the rather random advice for the seer.

I understand what you meant, now. It wasn't terribly clear earlier.

My frustration is I'm able to find time after 13 hours a day away from a computer, at work, and still play and vote than there really is no reasonable excuse for anyone aside from bad internet or being straight out sick. I mean you might not like having to make a decision based on 3 pages of banter, but it screws the rest who do make that voting decision as well as just being kind of rude to the Mod.)

I can understand that as well. Day 1 I slept and worked virtually the whole Day, and had to make a mad dash to make it in time to vote, having about 2 minutes to skim the thread.

We've already had wilwa pull out, it would likely be a good idea to leave McCaber as a viable choice if there is no one else that is striking us as a sure-fire wolf. And als tum for that matter who's completely disappeared as well. My oh my, there really is A LOT of dead weight and this is just going to start making me more bitter.

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

[autume98]

1. Didn't like my vote - sorry, but how is it bad again? And how can anyone say it was weak and easy when multiple people didn't even vote at all, and then others at the end voted to lynch an innocent Nienna? For what reason? She voted for a newbie on Day 1?

I guess it was a throw away on her part, she couldn't have expected a new player to get lynched on Day 1, but she voted for someone who up to that point didn't post at all. I was going to ask her why she didn't vote McCaber, who is not a new player and had not shown up, and yet again hasn't shown up. This has got me in trouble for suggesting it before, but as far as I know right now McCaber is going to get mod-fired if he doesn't come on to vote. We've already had wilwa pull out, it would likely be a good idea to leave McCaber as a viable choice if there is no one else that is striking us as a sure-fire wolf. And als tum for that matter who's completely disappeared as well. My oh my, there really is A LOT of dead weight and this is just going to start making me more bitter.


I agree with this. I really see nothing wrong with your vote. Granted I haven't played much with you so don't really know how you play or vote. I also agree that there are those that haven't voted. I know I am included in that, however I was traveling so wasn't able to. As long as my internet continues to work, I will be voting toDay.

I do wonder where everybody has been. It seems that there isn't much to go on. Pretty much some of the votes from yesterDay, but even that doesn't seem like a lot to go off of.


So 3-4 I might be exaggerating a bit, but seriously at the start of the day I had everything being thrown at me...at least I haven't heard the "Boro's looking too desperate in defending himself" Probably because I can't participate much, and after this post, wonder if that one will be added to the laundry list. :rolleyes:


This just made me laugh. :p Sounds like you have a reputation around here. ;)

Edit: x-ed with Inzil

[satansaloser2005]

Our esteemed mod is unable to grace us with his presence this Evening. That being said, he's asked me to call DL and all that rubbish, and I'll be texting him the lynch result, so there won't be a big lull in information or anything. I love considerate mods! *snuggles Shasta* So yeah, that's about it. Continue!

[Loslote]

Edited out smilies.

1. Didn't like my vote - sorry, but how is it bad again? And how can anyone say it was weak and easy when multiple people didn't even vote at all, and then others at the end voted to lynch an innocent Nienna? For what reason? She voted for a newbie on Day 1?

I guess it was a throw away on her part, she couldn't have expected a new player to get lynched on Day 1, but she voted for someone who up to that point didn't post at all. I was going to ask her why she didn't vote McCaber, who is not a new player and had not shown up, and yet again hasn't shown up. This has got me in trouble for suggesting it before, but as far as I know right now McCaber is going to get mod-fired if he doesn't come on to vote. We've already had wilwa pull out, it would likely be a good idea to leave McCaber as a viable choice if there is no one else that is striking us as a sure-fire wolf. And als tum for that matter who's completely disappeared as well. My oh my, there really is A LOT of dead weight and this is just going to start making me more bitter.

2. I killed Izzy because her vote meant I thought she was the seer - Now I always want to kill the seer early as a wolf, because fact is I'm likely going to be an early seer dream. But newsflash for you, I don't freak out about every single person who votes for me and think IZZY VOTED FOR ME SHE HAS TO BE THE SEER! Izzy's a savvy vet, and to give away her dream that easily, is not only bold but I don't see it. Also, the fact that of the multiple people who voted towards the end yesterday I swear 3-4 of you announced some sort of suspicion, or uncomfortability about me (including Paranoia trying to take back his vote and vote for me)...that would raise my alarms of a possible seer much more than Izzy voting for me.

Has it even been considered that Izzy, who would have known one wolf was taking directions of who to vote for, from the wolf that she knew? There were a lot of people who said I looked suspicious yesterday, but nope, I killed Izzy because I freaked over the 1 vote for me.

3. Some mysterious narrational hint, that wasn't a hint at all and Mira back-pedalled from.

4. Saying I'm going to "curl into a ball."

So 3-4 I might be exaggerating a bit, but seriously at the start of the day I had everything being thrown at me...at least I haven't heard the "Boro's looking too desperate in defending himself" Probably because I can't participate much, and after this post, wonder if that one will be added to the laundry list.

Edit: crossed with several, but hey tum's showed up, don't have to worry about that. McCaber?

1. Because I didn't think that sort of vote was something you would do. But I agree that the no-shows are a bit annoying.

2. Okay, when I first read this, I got all excited because I thought he'd revealed, and then I read further. :p

3 - 4. But that's so obviously evil! It's really the only definitive proof we have! ;)

Anywho, this whole post is very vexing to me, because it looks rather innocent. And that means I have to think rather than just keep suspecting him (which is, as you all know, much easier). Now my poor little brain is all awhirl with confusion, because my gut says "noooo! wolf!!! lynch!" but my mind is saying "are you sure you're not just retaliating? keep him around for another Day!" and I don't know which to follow. :rolleyes:

[autume98]

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

This makes sense to me, yet at the same time I'm almost tempted to vote for them.

I may have to vote soon because my internet keeps on going out, and I don't want to not vote again. I'm soooo loving that idea...NOT! Especially since it doesn't look like there's a lot to go off of. I'm not convinced Boro's vote is enough to vote for him.

[Boromir88]

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

Well one time voting that way did get a wolf. But at that time I don't think there were clear mod-fire rules if someone didn't vote so many days in a row.

I'm not saying everyone bandwagons to vote McCaber, because that doesn't tell us anything (even if he is a wolf) and would be a waste. However, giving him a few votes to make him an able quick choice if needed to avoid a disastrous lynch shouldn't be anything to *gasp* over.

Not everyone can stay to the DL everyday (this game I'm gonna be one of those who can't). As far as I know right now, he's going to be mod-fired at the end of the day if he doesn't vote, and if there is someone else you feel strongly wolvish about go for it, but in the event that we're wrong and there's a gifted reveal, it's nice to have a fallback option to go to. If McCaber's going to get mod-fired (maybe we can ask Shasta for clarification?), it would be most wise to make him the fallback if there is some sort of untimely reveal or chaotic madness that happens far to often towards the DL.

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Loslote]

I've always disagreed with the idea of voting for people who are likely to be modkilled. It seems like nothing but a waste.

I can see where Boro's coming from - the non-voters are annoying and I don't appreciate them getting to live when the participating people are lynched - but it would be a waste of a lynch. Unless we have reason to think xe is a wolf, I wouldn't vote them. Still, please people, participate!

EDIT: xed with Boro

[Loslote]

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

It wouldn't if the wolves didn't get a Night kill. Since they do, it would be more like yet another double kill for the wolves - and that's not exactly an ideal situation. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Well one time voting that way did get a wolf. But at that time I don't think there were clear mod-fire rules if someone didn't vote so many days in a row.

I'm not saying everyone bandwagons to vote McCaber, because that doesn't tell us anything (even if he is a wolf) and would be a waste. However, giving him a few votes to make him an able quick choice if needed to avoid a disastrous lynch shouldn't be anything to *gasp* over.

Not everyone can stay to the DL everyday (this game I'm gonna be one of those who can't). As far as I know right now, he's going to be mod-fired at the end of the day if he doesn't vote, and if there is someone else you feel strongly wolvish about go for it, but in the event that we're wrong and there's a gifted reveal, it's nice to have a fallback option to go to. If McCaber's going to get mod-fired (maybe we can ask Shasta for clarification?), it would be most wise to make him the fallback if there is some sort of untimely reveal or chaotic madness that happens far to often towards the DL.

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.


I'm really not liking this post. I can understand his logic, but at the same time it seems like he's trying to be too careful. Then again, at the same time I haven't seen him as too suspicious (at least not without taking a closer look at him) so I think I'm just reflecting everyone else's paranoia.

If someone's going to get modfired, let them get modfired. For all we know Cabbie is a gifted and if we use him as our "backup lynch" that could end even worse than if we use someone some of us, I don't know, suspect. :eek:


List in a moment I believe.


EDIT: x'd with Lottie, bolding

[satansaloser2005]

Hold on. Only two people have voted so far? Surely I've missed some! :eek:


Nerwen-->Boro
Morsul-->Blind

[autume98]

Hold on. Only two people have voted so far? Surely I've missed some! :eek:


Nerwen-->Boro
Morsul-->Blind

Really!? :eek: And here I thought that no votes had been posted yet. :rolleyes:

I'm debating whether or not to vote now. Part of me wants to in case I have no internet. Yet I'm not sure I want to waste my vote on McCaber. Especially if xe is going to get modfired if xe doesn't vote toDay. Yet I really don't know who else to vote for at this point.

[Boromir88]

I'm really not liking this post. I can understand his logic, but at the same time it seems like he's trying to be too careful. Then again, at the same time I haven't seen him as too suspicious (at least not without taking a closer look at him) so I think I'm just reflecting everyone else's paranoia.

If someone's going to get modfired, let them get modfired. For all we know Cabbie is a gifted and if we use him as our "backup lynch" that could end even worse than if we use someone some of us, I don't know, suspect. :eek:

*bangs head against wall* Yes, but it absolutely would not waste the # of lynch chances. It just delays the chance to the next day.

It's impossible to lose the # of lynch chances you get in a game. Let's say we lynch someone else and McCaber's mod-fired, that's 2 chances (1 day) at a wolf. If we lynch the person who was going to be modfired 1 chance (1 day), but with the 1-less death, do the math...we either delay and get an extra-day phase (2nd chance) or pick up an extra-night phase giving the ranger, or hunter extra chances to succeed.

You say it's all logical and makes sense. Admit there's really nothing wrong with it, but still call it a waste? :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Really!? :eek: And here I thought that no votes had been posted yet. :rolleyes:

I'm debating whether or not to vote now. Part of me wants to in case I have no internet. Yet I'm not sure I want to waste my vote on McCaber. Especially if xe is going to get modfired if xe doesn't vote toDay. Yet I really don't know who else to vote for at this point.

For the record, sweetie, Cabs is a boychild. :)

[Loslote]

*bangs head against wall* Yes, but it absolutely would not waste the # of lynch chances. It just delays the chance to the next day.

It's impossible to lose the # of lynch chances you get in a game. Let's say we lynch someone else and McCaber's mod-fired, that's 2 chances (1 day) at a wolf. If we lynch the person who was going to be modfired 1 chance (1 day), but with the 1-less death, do the math...we either delay and get an extra-day phase (2nd chance) or pick up an extra-night phase giving the ranger, or hunter extra chances to succeed.

You say it's all logical and makes sense. Admit there's really nothing wrong with it, but still call it a waste? :rolleyes:

You keep forgetting about the Night-kill. And besides, I don't want to settle for a stall-the-game lynch; I want to kill a wolf! Not to mention the fact that killing Cabbie tells us nothing. He hasn't posted, and chances are really bad that he'd be a wolf.

[satansaloser2005]

*bangs head against wall* Yes, but it absolutely would not waste the # of lynch chances. It just delays the chance to the next day.

It's impossible to lose the # of lynch chances you get in a game. Let's say we lynch someone else and McCaber's mod-fired, that's 2 chances (1 day) at a wolf. If we lynch the person who was going to be modfired 1 chance (1 day), but with the 1-less death, do the math...we either delay and get an extra-day phase (2nd chance) or pick up an extra-night phase giving the ranger, or hunter extra chances to succeed.

You say it's all logical and makes sense. Admit there's really nothing wrong with it, but still call it a waste? :rolleyes:

Dear one, I said I understood your logic. I just don't agree with it.

If Cabbie's going to get modkilled then he's dead anyway. Say he's a wolf. (Best case, I know, but go with me.) We lynch Person X because we don't go with your plan, and Person X is also a wolf. Two down in one Day! Obviously this could work the other way too but I for one am not comfortable voting someone who can't be harm nor good to us right now and is going to die anyway. Nothing is gained without risk, and while we do have a higher chance of hitting two innocents that way I think it's a risk we have to take, especially if we think we can peg a wolf (who isn't Cab). I'll be holding my vote, so rest assured that if there's a gifted reveal, I'm wholeheartedly willing to go along with your plan (if there's no other choice). It just doesn't seem too likely to me, and I'd much rather have the second victim (for lack of a better word) be someone I suspect than someone who I don't even know is going to return.

Sounds to me like an overly crafted way to do a quick safe lynch toDay. Whether or not you're evil I'm suspicious of the plan itself, because it just doesn't work in the true best interest of the village. If we kill McCaber toDay and he'd be dead anyway, we've gotten nowhere, and besides, people can go along with it just to go along with it and then where are we for toMorrow?

Don't get me wrong, dear. It's a good contingency plan. Just not a good formal strategy. *snuggles you anyway, hopes you don't sprout fur*


Oooo, there's an idea....


EDIT: x'd with Lottie -again!- and remembering to bloody bold.

[autume98]

For the record, sweetie, Cabs is a boychild. :)

Thanks! :cool:

[Loslote]

Oooo, there's an idea....

Oh dear. Ought we to be worried? :eek::p

[satansaloser2005]

Oh dear. Ought we to be worried? :eek::p

No. Sorry, a thought just occurred to me and I just stuck it on the end. I'd share if I could, but I don't think it would be a very good idea, see, so I won't. Sowwie.

[Boromir88]

You keep forgetting about the Night-kill. And besides, I don't want to settle for a stall-the-game lynch; I want to kill a wolf! Not to mention the fact that killing Cabbie tells us nothing. He hasn't posted, and chances are really bad that he'd be a wolf.

But you're assuming Cabbie's not a wolf. And again it's not stalling the game at all! We either get 2 shots 1-day, or 2-shots 2-days to get a wolf.

What is so impossible to understand that you can't lose the # of lynches in any game. With any number of people, you get the same # of chances to lynch a wolf, because the number of people don't change, just the amount of days.

Please Lottie, point to where I said we all go and vote for McCaber right now...I said I'm not going to be on the DL, and I don't want to wake up finding out I was lynched, on top of someone else being mod-fired (on top of already losing wilwa). I said we need to make him an available choice to protect against an absolutely disastrous lynch. Who knows what you can learn from McCaber's death, or the votes? You can't until he's killed.

And again it's not wasting any chance we have t lynch a wolf...none whatsoever. Do the math, do you want 2 chances at a wolf, in 1 day or 2 chances in 2 days? So I'm doing it because I'm tired of arguing this, as I argued it the last time I advocated it. When you come to realize I'm right, I will rub it in your face, just so you know. :rolleyes:

++McCaber

[Loslote]

Please Lottie, point to where I said we all go and vote for McCaber right now...I said I'm not going to be on the DL, and I don't want to wake up finding out I was lynched, on top of someone else being mod-fired (on top of already losing wilwa). I said we need to make him an available choice to protect against an absolutely disastrous lynch. Who knows what you can learn from McCaber's death, or the votes? You can't until he's killed.

I'm not saying you must absolutely be wrong and thus evil for suggesting it, I'm just saying that I don't agree. I still don't agree, but I'm willing to let it drop and agree to disagree. Actually, the fact that you kept fighting for this is annoying, though - it's stirring up my poor little brain cells into yet more confusion, as I don't know if this is evil or not. Little Lottie let her mind wander...

[autume98]

Dear one, I said I understood your logic. I just don't agree with it.

If Cabbie's going to get modkilled then he's dead anyway. Say he's a wolf. (Best case, I know, but go with me.) We lynch Person X because we don't go with your plan, and Person X is also a wolf. Two down in one Day! Obviously this could work the other way too but I for one am not comfortable voting someone who can't be harm nor good to us right now and is going to die anyway. Nothing is gained without risk, and while we do have a higher chance of hitting two innocents that way I think it's a risk we have to take, especially if we think we can peg a wolf (who isn't Cab). I'll be holding my vote, so rest assured that if there's a gifted reveal, I'm wholeheartedly willing to go along with your plan (if there's no other choice). It just doesn't seem too likely to me, and I'd much rather have the second victim (for lack of a better word) be someone I suspect than someone who I don't even know is going to return.

Sounds to me like an overly crafted way to do a quick safe lynch toDay. Whether or not you're evil I'm suspicious of the plan itself, because it just doesn't work in the true best interest of the village. If we kill McCaber toDay and he'd be dead anyway, we've gotten nowhere, and besides, people can go along with it just to go along with it and then where are we for toMorrow?

Don't get me wrong, dear. It's a good contingency plan. Just not a good formal strategy.

This is a good point as well. I definitely like the idea of getting two wolves! :) However I'm at the point where I need to vote because my internet keeps on going down, and I would hate for it to not come back up at some point. So as much as I would like to get two wolves, I'm going to have to vote for Cabs. The reason I'm going to vote for Cabs is because I'm not sure if we'd be able to kill two wolves. The odds or more in the favor of us killing another ordo. And I really think we need all the villagers that we can have especially since the wolves have that double kill. I also would hate for us to take out one of the gifteds. Now there is also the chance that Cabs could be a gifted. I would really hate for that to be the case.

With all that here goes...

++McCaber

Edit: x-ed with Lottie and Boro

[satansaloser2005]

Boro, dear, I get what you're saying. You've voted, now log off and go to bed, like I'd be doing if I was you. Sleep and you'll see what happened in the morning, k?

Good work. Sleep well. *snuggles you* And don't worry, it'll most likely turn out fine.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

I'm too annoyed to deal with this game right now (yes, I am letting RL influence my WW playing), and as such am not in the mood to be nice to newbies when they've been ticking me off hardcore for the past day by not reading the rules and asking questions that would be answered by reading said rules.

++Blind Guardian

I don't really feel like voting Boro since my gut says he's guilty and my gut is never right in this game. I'll laugh really hard if I'm proved wrong.

[Loslote]

Right. Well. I think it's time for another round of...

Listing People With Lottie!!!:D

Suspicious:
Morsul (annoying no-vote plus generally bad feelings)
Boro (mostly gut feeling)

Innocent:
Lottie (:Merisu:)

Mostly Innocent:
Mira (still feels good)
Zil (no bad vibes)
Nerwen (like her style)
Sally (seems like normal Sally)
Tum (haven't seen anything to make me suspect her)
Elfie (seems fairly innocent)
Xed (haven't seen anything bad)

Somewhat Suspicious:
Glirdy (all I remember him doing was that vote for me yesterDay; has he been back?)
BeiGe (seems to be rather linked to Boro)
Noia (extremely aggressive for a newbie)

If They've Posted, I Don't Remember It:
Cabbie

~~~

I will only vote for someone in my Suspicious or Somewhat Suspicious categories. Everyone who does make The List is fair game. ;)

[Inziladun]

Boro's probably gone, but I still don't like this.

It's impossible to lose the # of lynch chances you get in a game. Let's say we lynch someone else and McCaber's mod-fired, that's 2 chances (1 day) at a wolf. If we lynch the person who was going to be modfired 1 chance (1 day), but with the 1-less death, do the math...we either delay and get an extra-day phase (2nd chance) or pick up an extra-night phase giving the ranger, or hunter extra chances to succeed.

I keep coming back to the sticking point that by voting a modfire, we're in effect forfeiting our lynch. Yes, it means we're not killing someone who could be innocent who wasn't going to be gone anyway, but it also means there are still four wolves out there who are safe for another Day.

And again it's not wasting any chance we have t lynch a wolf...none whatsoever. Do the math, do you want 2 chances at a wolf, in 1 day or 2 chances in 2 days? So I'm doing it because I'm tired of arguing this, as I argued it the last time I advocated it. When you come to realize I'm right, I will rub it in your face, just so you know. :rolleyes:]++McCaber

This just seems counter-productive for the village.

The reason I'm going to vote for Cabs is because I'm not sure if we'd be able to kill two wolves. The odds or more in the favor of us killing another ordo. And I really think we need all the villagers that we can have especially since the wolves have that double kill. I also would hate for us to take out one of the gifteds. Now there is also the chance that Cabs could be a gifted. I would really hate for that to be the case.

With all that here goes...

++McCaber

There's always the chance of unknowingly killing a Gifted. And also the chance of bagging a wolf.

x/d with all since 273

[Paranoia]

Hmm. Noia could just be a rather...agressive newbie. I'd give him a bit longer to see if he calms down a bit.

Yeah; I'm almost always an aggressive player, so uh sorry if I'm stepping on toes.

Reading over everything since I left last night; I'll be back in probably 10-15 minutes with my four picks at scum. (I.E. wolves.)

[Nerwen]

Boro's plan is clearly a desperate attempt to save himself. There are a number of suspect-looking folk around– why, in that case, should we waste the lynch?

That only ever makes sense if there's no real candidate, and that's not the case here.

I wonder at tum for going along with it. Yes, I do.

[Nerwen]

I keep coming back to the sticking point that by voting a modfire, we're in effect forfeiting our lynch. Yes, it means we're not killing someone who could be innocent who wasn't going to be gone anyway, but it also means there are still four wolves out there who are safe for another Day.

Exactly. Like I said, even if you think throwing away the lynch can be okay in some circumstances, those circumstances do not apply here. It's just nonsense.

I'm pretty darned sure he's a wolf.

[satansaloser2005]

Boro's plan is clearly a desperate attempt to save himself. There are a number of suspect-looking folk around– why, in that case, should we waste the lynch?

That only ever makes sense if there's no real candidate, and that's not the case here.

I wonder at tum for going along with it. Yes, I do.

I agree with this. Well, the second bit especially. There's lots of real candidates I'd be happy with -well at least a few- and this "backup" plan could too easily turn into a cheap lynch for the Day. Like I said before, I'm not against this idea in a game where there's retractables and we all agree that in a crisis we'll switch to the dead weight, but in this situation it's too easy to muck up. :(



I got distracted, sorry. List in a few.

[Paranoia]

This is a good point as well. I definitely like the idea of getting two wolves! :) However I'm at the point where I need to vote because my internet keeps on going down, and I would hate for it to not come back up at some point. So as much as I would like to get two wolves, I'm going to have to vote for Cabs. The reason I'm going to vote for Cabs is because I'm not sure if we'd be able to kill two wolves. The odds or more in the favor of us killing another ordo. And I really think we need all the villagers that we can have especially since the wolves have that double kill. I also would hate for us to take out one of the gifteds. Now there is also the chance that Cabs could be a gifted. I would really hate for that to be the case.

With all that here goes...

++McCaber

Edit: x-ed with Lottie and Boro

Uh... first thing of note; isn't any vote on someone who's inactive essentially a wasted vote? Caber has as equal a chance at being a wolf as anyone else. If that's the case just letting the modkill take care of him'd be enough for me; I'd rather look for the wolves among the people who are at least actively posting. At least they're the ones who won't catch themselves for us, so uh, I'm not sure what the Caber vote accomplishes...

[Blind Guardian]

I'm going to vote for ++mccaber

please except that I can't highlight on an iPod touch

[satansaloser2005]

Sectioning people off with just a basic list for now.


Will not vote:
Blind (new kid on the block pass)
Paranoia (ditto)
Tum (ditto)
Sally (for obvious reasons)
Nerwen (I currently trust her)
Lottie (ditto)
Cabbie (nothing to go on)
Glirdan (not a lot to go on)

Might vote upon further inspection:
Mira
Inzil
Celuien

Will consider voting:
Elf (for reasons and squicks stated earlier, which I feel quite more strongly than before, though Elf is still not my first choice)
Boro (because I'm having trouble believing he's innocent what with all this plotting, though I'm thinking he's just trying to achieve some sort of weird Phantom like prize....maybe he's just gone mad?)
Morsul (for being so anti-village and not even trying to disguise it)

[Nerwen]

Uh... first thing of note; isn't any vote on someone who's inactive essentially a wasted vote? Caber has as equal a chance at being a wolf as anyone else. If that's the case just letting the modkill take care of him'd be enough for me; I'd rather look for the wolves among the people who are at least actively posting. At least they're the ones who won't catch themselves for us, so uh, I'm not sure what the Caber vote accomplishes...

It takes the heat off the wolves, that's what.

[Inziladun]

I thought Boro was looking rather better, until all this about McCaber.

I can't be around for DL toDay, so I have to vote now.

Boro is tempting. Still, there's that little bit of doubt that tells me he could be a misunderstood innocent.
Or, I could stir the pot a bit and vote for Celuien, who, after posting almost nothing on Day 1 beyond rules discussions, made a throwaway vote on the grounds that she didn't think anyone was really suspicious. She hasn't been here at all toDay that I recall.

Hmmm. Make it....

++Boro

Sorry if you're innocent, mate, but I can't get past the idea you're trying to lead us astray.

x/d with all since 283

[satansaloser2005]

GyI'm going to vote for mccaber

please accept that I can't highlight on an iPod touch


Yes you can. Just type [ highlight ] your text [ /highlight] except without the spaces in the coding. It's the same as manually typing in a bold or center code.




And I'm REALLY not liking how -as I predicted- Boro's contingency plan is turrning into a fullout McCaber wagon really darn quickly. Bloody told you so....


EDIT: x'd with Nerwen and Dun

[Loslote]

GyI'm going to vote for mccaber

please except that I can't highlight on an iPod touch

Okay, the Boro and Tum votes for Cabbie were bad enough, but this looks a lot like bandwaggoning against an easy, wasteful lynch. It might also be a newbie following what she things is good reasoning, but it's looking bad for BeiGe.

[Nerwen]

GyI'm going to vote for mccaber

please except that I can't highlight on an iPod touch

Why are you going to vote for McCaber, Blind? It's a worthless throwaway.

EDIT:X'd since last vote.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so I hate making such dramatic policy reversals, but Blind's last post bugs me hardcore. She (right?) has just jumped up into my top category (or rather the bottom one), newbie pass or no.


Analysis time, I think.

[satansaloser2005]

It takes the heat off the wolves, that's what.

This.

Okay, the Boro and Tum votes for Cabbie were bad enough, but this looks a lot like bandwaggoning against an easy, wasteful lynch. It might also be a newbie following what she things is good reasoning, but it's looking bad for BeiGe.

This!

Why are you going to vote for McCaber, Blind? It's a worthless throwaway.

THIS!

[Loslote]

I'm gonna be gone for a bit, but I should be back in half an hour or so. I really really hope I get back in time to vote.

[Paranoia]

GyI'm going to vote for mccaber

please except that I can't highlight on an iPod touch

WOAH! Hold your horses there! I can't believe you you were considering Boro suspicious earlier, but are readily going along with the wagon counter to his lynch; really makes me think you're trying your best to make sure Boro doesn't die. Really makes you look mighty furry together.

*I* really don't like how fast the wagon counter to the Boro wagon is picking up speed, but part of me has is a wee bit paranoid (just a wee bit) that this is bussing an inactive wolf to save an active one.

So without getting much of a chance to go over things, I think I'm go... wait. I do know. I'm voting...

Boromir.

[Nerwen]

Sally, lynch Boro, please. We need to know what he is– and I find BG suspicious mainly for her relations with him (though also for her "I'm a poor widdle n00b lost in the woods" schtick).

[satansaloser2005]

Paranoia, you have to put two plusses in front of your vote or it doesn't count. Kudos on getting the highlight though; I know I used to forget all the time! ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, lynch Boro, please. We need to know what he is– and I find BG suspicious mainly for her relations with him (though also for her "I'm a poor widdle n00b lost in the woods" schtick).

Erm....let me think about it. (No, seriously. Let me look at Blind's stuff and then I'll decide. Right now I don't think Boro's as transparently evil as we all think.

[Nerwen]

Paranoia, you need to put ""++" in front of your vote.

EDIT:X'd since last post.

[Blind Guardian]

Because it ends in 2 minutes and I am tired and want to go to bed. What else do you want?

[Paranoia]

Uh... quick question. What's with all the "Xed with <name>" posts? Could someone explain that bit to me because I'll be honest... I have no idea what's going on with that. x_x

[Paranoia]

Because it ends in 2 minutes and I am tired and want to go to bed. What else do you want?

Uh... who ya talkin' too because there are nine million people who that could be referring. Also, day ends in 54 minutes. :P

Also.

++Boromir

[Nerwen]

Uh... quick question. What's with all the "Xed with <name>" posts? Could someone explain that bit to me because I'll be honest... I have no idea what's going on with that. x_x

It's marking that your post crossed with theirs. It can be important to know this.

[satansaloser2005]

Because it ends in 2 minutes and I am tired and want to go to bed. What else do you want?

The game's not over for nearly another hour. If you want to vote and sleep, fine, but remember that throwaway votes are exactly that. They're worthless and get us nowhere.

Let's think about it this way. Lynching McCaber toDay kills McCaber, but he'll already be dead at Day's end. Lynching someone else? We at least have a chance of catching an active wolf, whereas with him we'd be getting rid of numbers and not actual threat.


Anyway, off to analyze....erm, you, actually. ;)


EDIT: x'd since the post I quoted

[Blind Guardian]

IT ENDS IN 45 MINUTES!?! Who's time zone am I on? Dang...

Originally Posted by Nerwen
I mean she might be just a newbie who is grateful to him for being kind to her, and doesn't understand why he's suspicious, but still...

Thank you.

[Celuien]

Ok. No time to really write a lot today to explain (*glares at RL work stuff*). Let's find out what

++Boro

is up to.

Also, now that we know BG wasn't making shoes, I do wonder about all the confusion. Will worry about that toMorrow.

Sorry for being a generally poor participant today. :(

[Blind Guardian]

Yeah, I left at three thinking I'd be back in a hour or two. 5 or 6 later! Anyways, I voted for McCaber because I thought that there was only a few minutes left to vote. Sorry.

Also, I have nothing to do with Boro. I just didn't want to see him get lynched. Why? No clue. I just don't find him guilty. Sorry, again.

[satansaloser2005]

So..............................

I have a really bad feeling about this Boro lynch. Does anyone want to know why?

[Nerwen]

So................................................ .................................................. ...............

I have a really bad feeling about this Boro lynch. Does anyone want to know why?

Why?

[satansaloser2005]

Why?

Erm....well, I sort of kind of think he's been hinting that he's a gifted.

[Nerwen]

Personally, I have a really bad feeling about Boro, but I'm fine with lynching him.

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Bloody Downs! I wasn't ready to submit yet. Anyway, gimme a couple minutes and I'll dredge up the relevant posts, yes?


Mind you, I'm not sure he is a gifted, but if he's hinting at it (and I think he is, and I hate myself for bringing it up) and is gone for the Day and not able to reveal properly, I think it's up to us to at least not kill him until we investigate.


EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

[satansaloser2005]

Well one time voting that way did get a wolf. But at that time I don't think there were clear mod-fire rules if someone didn't vote so many days in a row.

I'm not saying everyone bandwagons to vote McCaber, because that doesn't tell us anything (even if he is a wolf) and would be a waste. However, giving him a few votes to make him an able quick choice if needed to avoid a disastrous lynch shouldn't be anything to *gasp* over.

Not everyone can stay to the DL everyday (this game I'm gonna be one of those who can't). As far as I know right now, he's going to be mod-fired at the end of the day if he doesn't vote, and if there is someone else you feel strongly wolvish about go for it, but in the event that we're wrong and there's a gifted reveal, it's nice to have a fallback option to go to. If McCaber's going to get mod-fired (maybe we can ask Shasta for clarification?), it would be most wise to make him the fallback if there is some sort of untimely reveal or chaotic madness that happens far to often towards the DL.

If you think to, it really doesn't waste a lynch/day, just delays it to the next day. It would be a waste if everyone bandwagons to vote for McCaber now, but giving him a few votes to make him an option and protect against a disastrous lynch...there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.


But you're assuming Cabbie's not a wolf. And again it's not stalling the game at all! We either get 2 shots 1-day, or 2-shots 2-days to get a wolf.

What is so impossible to understand that you can't lose the # of lynches in any game. With any number of people, you get the same # of chances to lynch a wolf, because the number of people don't change, just the amount of days.

Please Lottie, point to where I said we all go and vote for McCaber right now...I said I'm not going to be on the DL, and I don't want to wake up finding out I was lynched, on top of someone else being mod-fired (on top of already losing wilwa). I said we need to make him an available choice to protect against an absolutely disastrous lynch. Who knows what you can learn from McCaber's death, or the votes? You can't until he's killed.

And again it's not wasting any chance we have t lynch a wolf...none whatsoever. Do the math, do you want 2 chances at a wolf, in 1 day or 2 chances in 2 days? So I'm doing it because I'm tired of arguing this, as I argued it the last time I advocated it. When you come to realize I'm right, I will rub it in your face, just so you know. :rolleyes:

++McCaber

Underlining mine. There was something else too, but the internet/Downs is being strange so I missed it in the rush to make this post. I don't know. Am I nuts?

[satansaloser2005]

And now everyone's quiet. :(

Nerwen-->Boro
Morsul-->Blind
Boro-->Cab
Tum-->Cab (2)
Mira(ish)-->Blind (2)
Blind-->Cab (3)
Dun-->Boro (2)
Paranoia-->Boro (3)
Cel-->Boro (4)



EDIT: Fixed my vote count, as I missed Blind's vote because it wasn't in standard format.

[Loslote]

Oh, dear. I come back and find not only an escalating Boro wagon, but also Sally saying that he might be gifted? Well. Honestly, I'd be happy with either a Boro or a BeiGe lynch, but I must admit I'm more comfortable with a BeiGe lynch right now - Boro's more confusing, and BeiGe just screams newbie wolf. Vote count:

Nerwen -> Boro
Morsul -> BeiGe
Boro -> Cabbie
Tum -> Cabbie (2)
Mira -> BeiGe (2)
BeiGe -> Cabbie (3)
Zil -> Boro (2)
Noia -> Boro (3)
Xed -> Boro (4)

EDIT: xed with a couple Sallys

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, dear. I come back and find not only an escalating Boro wagon, but also Sally saying that he might be gifted? Well. Honestly, I'd be happy with either a Boro or a BeiGe lynch, but I must admit I'm more comfortable with a BeiGe lynch right now - Boro's more confusing, and BeiGe just screams newbie wolf.

Let's do it then. I'm just too uncertain about the Boro thing to lynch him right now. What do you say, Little Lottie? All innocents together?

[Nerwen]

Underlining mine. There was something else too, but the internet/Downs is being strange so I missed it in the rush to make this post. I don't know. Am I nuts?

Yes.:p

I mean, yes, he might be hinting he's gifted there, but, it just seems to me, only the way wolves often do– in fact wolves drop those kind of vague, uninformative hints more often than the actual gifteds, in my experience. After all, what's the point of a gifted alerting the wolves?

EDIT:X'd with Lottie and Sally.

[Blind Guardian]

Im just waiting for something to say. Yeah the Downs screwed up on me too :(

[Nerwen]

Fine, that does it.

Boro's a wolf. Ask me how I know.

EDIT:X'd with BG.

[satansaloser2005]

Yes.:p

I mean, yes, he might be hinting he's gifted there, but, it just seems to me, only the way wolves often do– in fact wolves drop those kind of vague, uninformative hints more often than the actual gifteds, in my experience. After all, what's the point of a gifted alerting the wolves?

EDIT:X'd with Lottie and Sally.

Well I'm not a wolf and I noticed, so heck if I know. And I'm probably wrong, but with that niggling right there I don't want to go and kill him and then have my only prize be an 'I told you so' dance at the start of toMorrow. Like I told Boro re: his plan, without risk there's no reward. I'm willing to keep him around another Day, even if just one, so I can decide whether or not I believe those 'hints'.

[Loslote]

Let's do it then. I'm just too uncertain about the Boro thing to lynch him right now. What do you say, Little Lottie? All innocents together?


I don't think Boro's hinting at being a gifted; that's stretching it a tad. But I'm more certain about BeiGe than I am about Boro, so here goes...

++BeiGe

[satansaloser2005]

Fine, that does it.

Boro's a wolf. Ask me how I know.

EDIT:X;d with BG.

Oh, all right, how do you know? :p

[Loslote]

Fine, that does it.

Boro's a wolf. Ask me how I know.

EDIT:X'd with BG.

Ooh how do you know? How do you know?

[Nerwen]

Oh, all right, how do you know? :p

I'm the Seer. I was hoping not to have to reveal yet.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm the Seer. I was hoping not to have to reveal yet.

Oh, I so hate my rubbish life right now. :(

[Loslote]

I'm the Seer. I was hoping not to have to reveal yet.

...kay I think I voted a bit too fast there...sorry...:o

EDIT: xed with a Sally

[Blind Guardian]

Because you're the Seer? And you just dreamed of him? Would that make sense?

[Nerwen]

Because you're the Seer? And you just dreamed of him? Would that make sense?

Yes.

[Loslote]

Because you're the Seer? And you just dreamed of him? Would that make sense?

Yeah, actually, it makes a lot of sense. So who was your other dream, Nerwen?

[Nerwen]

Yeah, actually, it makes a lot of sense. So who was your other dream, Nerwen?

Glirdan. He's innocent.

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, actually, it makes a lot of sense. So who was your other dream, Nerwen?

I think if she'd dreamt another wolf she'd have told us. Let's just let her keep it to herself, at least for now. She'll likely be quite safe toNight.



See, the best (or worst) part of that is that I totally assumed Boro was the ranger or hunter (based on another post he made) and that you (Nerwen) were in fact the seer. Obviously in this perfect little world you didn't dream him, but I thought you were probably gifted of some design.


I can has brain scan? *headdesks*



ETA: But but....what?!?!

[Blind Guardian]

Sorry, Xed with everyone!

Dang, why'd I vote?! Oh, cause I thought that voting ended then -_- DANG

[Nerwen]

I've been debating whether to reveal for a while, since I think the wolves might have spotted me from my activity toDay, and I need the Ranger to protect me.

[satansaloser2005]

++Boro (in case anyone doubted it)

*grumble mumble groan growl hiss boo*

[satansaloser2005]

Nerwen-->Boro
Morsul-->Blind
Boro-->Cab
Tum-->Cab (2)
Mira(ish)-->Blind (2)
Dun-->Boro (2)
Paranoia-->Boro (3)
Cel-->Boro (4)
Lottie-->Blind (3)
Sally-->Boro (5)

[Nerwen]

Anyway, I will dream BG toNight, and one other, since it doesn't seem likely I'll get another chance.

[Loslote]

Nerwen, if I may give Seer-type advice again, I'd advise you use your double-dream toNight. Since the Ranger can protect you, you'll almost certainly be safe toNight, but that's not guarenteed for toMorrow Night, so it'd be best if you could get two dreams instead of one. :)

EDIT: xed with Nerwen...right, you got it covered. :)

[Nerwen]

I think if she'd dreamt another wolf she'd have told us. Let's just let her keep it to herself, at least for now. She'll likely be quite safe toNight.

Yeah, I shouldn't have revealed my other dream yet. Oh well. Sorry, Glirdan.

[The Elf-warrior]

Some thoughts on the other villagers:


Looking Innocent: I haven't found any reason to suspect Nerwen. She's been helpful. For example, she pointed out that the wolves would be gunning for a gifted, thus my frameup theory isn't the whole picture even if it had an element of truth.

Glirdan: Seer Reveal!

Mirandir's exasperation with Blind Guardian feels genuine to me. This makes me trust her. Inzy has given off few if any bad vibes.
Sally hasn't done or said anything that seems particularly suspicious, at least to me.

Tum hasn't jumped out at me.
I don't see anything suspicious about Lottie. OK, her several line song parody raised my eyebrows a bit (not that I'm opposed to song parodies), but I don't think its anything to be concerned about.

Morsul's looking good with Boromir probably a wolf.

Slightly Suspicious:


Celuien: I find it believable that she wouldn't have found someone suspicious suspicious when she voted. However, Inzy might have a point about her lack of substantive posting.

Paranoia: Could his anger be wolvish? Nah!

McCaber: No post. I'm not inclined to vote for a modfire prospect under these circumstances. I'd agree that we shouldn't throw away our lynch.

Suspicious: The arguments against Blind Guardian seem to make sense.
Boromir: Seer reveal!

++Boromir

Read up to seer reveal. Have to fully think through this revelation.

Edit: Ooops! I read up to my post 331 and forgot to change my post! And x-posted.

Edit: *Nerwen's post 331.

[satansaloser2005]

*salutes*


So who's left to vote? Anyone? If not I'll just go send in the results to Shasta and get....anti-climactic news. :p


EDIT: Oh, that's just creepy. Lol x'd with Elf. Boro's now at 6.

[satansaloser2005]

DL.

From the mod's very mouth:

Boro: wolf
Cabbie: ordo (modfired)





Also, Nerwen, my post at Day start? Totally makes me squee with giggles right now. :p


*snuggles down, sleeps for the Night*


ETA: Incidentally, the livings....

Mira
Morsul
Inzil
Blind
Sally
Lottie
Elfie
Nerwen
Glirdan
Tum
Celuien
Paranoia

[Shastanis Althreduin]

A big THANKS DARLING to Sally for stepping up in my absence.

To reiterate:

Boro - Lynched. Wolf.
McCaber - Modfired. Ordo.

To add:

Glirdan - Modfired (by request). Ordo.

Alive:
Mira
Morsul
Inzil
Blind
Sally
Lottie
Elfie
Nerwen
Tum
Celuien
Paranoia

Dead:
Shasta - Head Pulveriz'd Night 1 (Mod)
Nienna - Ping Pong'd Day 1 (Ordo)
Izzy - Night-Blind'd Night 2 (Cobbler)
Wilwa - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Boro - Om Nomm'd Day 2 (Wolf)
McCaber - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Glirdan - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)

[Blind Guardian]

After all that and Glir kills him self ;) Anyways, good Night!

[satansaloser2005]

After all that and Glir kills him self ;) Anyways, good Night!

Sweetheart, we do not post during Night phases. If you have out of game things you need to share (absences and such) please put them on the admin thread. Otherwise Night posting is explicitly forbidden. Just a heads up!

*bows to the mod, snuggles him tightly*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Night 3

Elfie is dead and I'm not in the mood to write a plot tonight. I know I haven't been the best at writing them, but I'll get them all up, I promise. Sorry guys. :(

Alive:
Mira
Morsul
Inzil
Blind
Sally
Lottie
Nerwen
Tum
Celuien
Paranoia

Dead:
Shasta - Head Pulveriz'd Night 1 (Mod)
Nienna - Ping Pong'd Day 1 (Ordo)
Izzy - Night-Blind'd Night 2 (Cobbler)
Wilwa - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Boro - Om Nomm'd Day 2 (Wolf)
McCaber - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Glirdan - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Elfie - Forcibly Ramm'd Night 3 (Ordo)

[Blind Guardian]

Farewell, Elfie, farewell....

[Loslote]

Oh, Nerwen, please come sweeping in to save the day by telling us BeiGe is a wolf and that you've caught another one, too. That would be absolutely lovely. :D

PS if BeiGe is innocent *insert scoffs of disbelief*, I'm not liking Morsul. Noia, either, but to a much lesser extent. Actaully, even if BeiGe is guilty, I'm not liking them. Just throwin' that out there.

[Blind Guardian]

I'm not a wolf. What are you thinking?

Edit: oh because of the dream!! Took me long enough...

[Nerwen]

Farewell, Elfie, farewell....

Alas, even the best meals have to come to an end, don't they, my furry friend?:p

EDIT:X'd with Wolf Guardian. Or would you prefer to be Blind Wolf?

[Loslote]

Alas, even the best meals have to come to an end, don't they, my furry friend?:p

Oho! ++BeiGe? :D

[Nerwen]

Oho! ++BeiGe? :D

Yep!:smokin:

[Loslote]

Yep!:smokin:

Yay! *giggles and bounces about* :D

++BeiGe

[Blind Guardian]

I will go peacefully if everyone gives me cookies. No hard feelings, 'twas a good game. Everyone votes me out I'm dead....BUT I WANT SOME COOKIES!!

[Nerwen]

I had this great mental image of the werewolf licking her lips and rubbing her stomach: "Farewell, Elfie, farewell.... *belch*"

Well, then–

++Blind Guardian

EDIT:X'd with the wolf.

[Blind Guardian]

Btw, I had very little to do with the killings, cause I didn't know anything :D

[Blind Guardian]

I had this great mental image of the werewolf licking her lips and rubbing her stomach: "Farewell, Elfie, farewell.... *belch*"

Well, then–

++Blind Guardian

*belch* Though I am a vegitarian...in rl

[Loslote]

I will go peacefully if everyone gives me cookies. No hard feelings, 'twas a good game. Everyone votes me out I'm dead....BUT I WANT SOME COOKIES!!

*gives you cookies*

And these totally aren't laced with iodine, either...:Merisu:

[Blind Guardian]

*eats* More cookies!

[Loslote]

*eats* More cookies!

Huh. Evidently The Dread Pirate Roberts is a wolf. Who knew? :o

[Blind Guardian]

What?

[Nerwen]

I will go peacefully if everyone gives me cookies. No hard feelings, 'twas a good game. Everyone votes me out I'm dead....BUT I WANT SOME COOKIES!!

What, you want dessert? Fine, then: have some cookies.

Meanwhile I am treating myself to some actual cookies in RL. Yay Chocolate-hazelnut!:smokin:

[Nerwen]

*gives you cookies*

And these totally aren't laced with iodine, either...:Merisu:

*cough* I think you mean iocaine *cough*

[Blind Guardian]

Ah, I'm good! *jumps off cliff*

edit: really I'm going to bed. And tomorrow in going to be dead, so, let's end it now. It's nice knowing you're going to die. :)

[Loslote]

*cough* I think you mean iocaine *cough*

...I believe this situation calls for a facepalm. Thus, *facepalm*. And no wonder she survived...though I still can't believe she liked them. :rolleyes::p

[Blind Guardian]

What? There good!

[Nerwen]

What? There good!

They were meant to poison you, dear. Instead, they've merely done wonders for your thyroid function. Ah, well.

[Blind Guardian]

Well, that would explain the diareah...all well won't matter soon. I'll be in Valhalla with Ronnie James Dio...

[Loslote]

They were meant to poison you, dear. Instead, they've merely done wonders for your thyroid function. Ah, well.

Little Lottie is very much amused. :p

[Celuien]

++The ++BeiGe Wolf

I will try to return in a few hours with something useful... once again, I'm having a hard time finding time to be here. :(

*gives burned cookies* :p

[Nerwen]

Well, delightful though it is to lynch two wolves in two Days, I think we should turn our collective attention to the unknowns:

Mira
Morsul
Inzil
Sally
Lottie
Tum
Celuien
Paranoia

Though, when I say "unknown" I mean "unknown to the village in general". I, of course, know the role of one of these people, but for the moment I'm not going to say whose, or what it is.
:smokin:

[Nerwen]

Well, come on, people. What do you all think of each other?

[Inziladun]

really I'm going to bed. And tomorrow in going to be dead, so, let's end it now. It's nice knowing you're going to die. :)

Go out with style, my lupine foe! It's fun that way. ;)

++Blind Guardian

Well, come on, people. What do you all think of each other?

Nice that you're still with us! If the Ranger was a bit daring, you may yet get another dream toNight.
I don't have time at the moment to give my impressions of everyone, but I think tum deserves some serious attention toDay for going along with Boro and voting McCaber. Along with BG, it looked like she was obviously trying to save Boro, and with so many people saying why voting Cab was not a good idea for the village, I see no legitimate reason tum would have done it anyway.

[Morsul the Dark]

Wow and here I was thinking I wouldn't have time to examine stuff and make a proper vote

seems to me

++BlindGuardian

enjoy I will be back on later though

[Inziladun]

Hmm. Slow toDay, innit?

Let's see. With BG gone toDay, two wolves left. And who might they be?

Looking back, there was an effort to avoid lynching Boro, and at the same time stay away from the poisonous McCaber vote. Who was behind that?


Erm....let me think about it. (No, seriously. Let me look at Blind's stuff and then I'll decide. Right now I don't think Boro's as transparently evil as we all think.

So..............................

I have a really bad feeling about this Boro lynch. Does anyone want to know why?

Erm....well, I sort of kind of think he's been hinting that he's a gifted.

The "hints" that Sally gave for her reasons she thought Boro might be a Gifted did not give me the same idea. I thought that was a serious reach.

Let's do it then. I'm just too uncertain about the Boro thing to lynch him right now. What do you say, Little Lottie? All innocents together?

"All innocents together"? Really? :rolleyes:

Well I'm not a wolf and I noticed, so heck if I know. And I'm probably wrong, but with that niggling right there I don't want to go and kill him and then have my only prize be an 'I told you so' dance at the start of toMorrow. Like I told Boro re: his plan, without risk there's no reward. I'm willing to keep him around another Day, even if just one, so I can decide whether or not I believe those 'hints'.

"I'm not a wolf". :rolleyes:

See, the best (or worst) part of that is that I totally assumed Boro was the ranger or hunter (based on another post he made) and that you (Nerwen) were in fact the seer. Obviously in this perfect little world you didn't dream him, but I thought you were probably gifted of some design.

Now here, Sally says that she thought Boro was hinting at being the Ranger or the Hunter, and she believed from that Nerwen was the Seer. Question: if she thought Nerwen was the Seer, why this effort to save Boro, when Nerwen was heavily pushing for his lynch well before she revealed? Something doesn't quite add up.

[Nerwen]

Now here, Sally says that she thought Boro was hinting at being the Ranger or the Hunter, and she believed from that Nerwen was the Seer. Question: if she thought Nerwen was the Seer, why this effort to save Boro, when Nerwen was heavily pushing for his lynch well before she revealed? Something doesn't quite add up.

Mnmn. Interesting.

[autume98]

I don't have time at the moment to give my impressions of everyone, but I think tum deserves some serious attention toDay for going along with Boro and voting McCaber. Along with BG, it looked like she was obviously trying to save Boro, and with so many people saying why voting Cab was not a good idea for the village, I see no legitimate reason tum would have done it anyway.

Yes I did put my vote in early. At the time, I really didn't have any suspicions, and I had to vote because a strong storm had come through earlier in the day and knocked out the power in parts of the city. The internet kept on going down, and I didn't NOT want to vote. I saw voting for Cabs my best option. I didn't want to put a vote in for an innocent.

I'm just glad that everyone didn't vote too early and we caught a wolf. ;)

Speaking of wolves...we're going to have two after toDay.

Farewell BeiGe.

++BlindGuardian

[Blind Guardian]

Bite me

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Yes I did put my vote in early. At the time, I really didn't have any suspicions, and I had to vote because a strong storm had come through earlier in the day and knocked out the power in parts of the city.

It's true. Tum happens to be not forty miles from me right now (a fact I find hilariously amusing). And it's Oklahoma weather, which ought to be its own catchphrase by now.

[Inziladun]

Yes I did put my vote in early. At the time, I really didn't have any suspicions, and I had to vote because a strong storm had come through earlier in the day and knocked out the power in parts of the city. The internet kept on going down, and I didn't NOT want to vote. I saw voting for Cabs my best option. I didn't want to put a vote in for an innocent.

I can understand wanting to get in your vote because of bad weather. But for all you knew, McCaber was innocent (as it turned out!). Why didn't you think there was any other option? Boro was the main candidate, and it looks for all the world like you wanted to save him. You were also defending him earlier, even before he became a viable candidate.

[autume98]

I can understand wanting to get in your vote because of bad weather. But for all you knew, McCaber was innocent (as it turned out!). Why didn't you think there was any other option? Boro was the main candidate, and it looks for all the world like you wanted to save him. You were also defending him earlier, even before he became a viable candidate.

I'll have to go back, but I think he became more of a candidate after I voted. I do remember talk about the reasoning for voting vs. not voting for Cabs. If Boro was a main suspect that would be me not understanding that he was a suspect at the time.

[Morsul the Dark]

HAHA Made you look... seriouslt nothing going on...

[satansaloser2005]

Now here, Sally says that she thought Boro was hinting at being the Ranger or the Hunter, and she believed from that Nerwen was the Seer. Question: if she thought Nerwen was the Seer, why this effort to save Boro, when Nerwen was heavily pushing for his lynch well before she revealed? Something doesn't quite add up.

You'll notice I said I'd be willing to lynch him if I had more time to look at things and make up my mind properly. I just didn't want to take the risk of killing a gifted when I had other suspects I was more happy to lynch. (At that time, Blind, in fact, because of her insanely wolfish posts late in the Day.)

And yeah, I just assumed she suspected him. Besides, since I was squirming about the possibility of Boro being a gifted (which he thankfully wasn't, so while I'm not happy Nerwen had to come out I'm glad that got sorted) I didn't think it all the way through. Basically I was going for gifted preservation, or at least trying to.



In other news, I made a list last Night, just so I could keep track of who was playing. (When I say last Night it was more of right after deadline yesterDay, but same difference, eh?) Also, I've not read toDay thoroughly (most of it not at all) so this is of course subject to change. (Oh, and obviously I removed Elf. Heh.)



Innocent:
Sally (ordo)
Nerwen (seer)
Lottie?
Mira?
Tum?
Paranoia?

Guilty:
Blind (who formerly had a question mark, but obviously no more)
Cel?
Dun?
Morsul?

[Paranoia]

Uh, hi folks.

Issabell - As per usual, she will be herself; but I'm kind of disconcerted by her lack of analyzing every little thing, or at least people and their actions. Somehow this just feels off from how I know her. Keeping my eye on her.


This Lottie Person of Which you All Speak - Posts seem really fluff centric; even beyond the usual page one or two stuff; really unnerves me. Maybe I'm just new here and this happens a lot but idk. If I had to guess, out of the fluffer wuffers I'd vote her. Another issue I have with her is she seems to be subtly trying to get dreamed; Makes me think of her as an early likely candidate to be the cobbler. But that's mean and I've been wrong about this **** before. Edit without really editing: What in the hell? I see a lot of posting from you, but it's almost all game mechanics. IT's like you're trying to look helpful without being helpful; I understand giving newbies the ropes but I'd prefer giving them the ropes while providing examples of scumhunting and picking apart posts. You claim we are blind when we are not. There's always something to pick apart and anyone who claims we are shooting blind day one or two is taking the lazy way out when we don't have time for the lazy way o' doing things.

Nienna - I don't like the entire "I'm being suspected day one so of course I'm innocent." comment, but other than that was all business. Still feel uneasy about her, but I'm unlikely to vote her at the moment. Him. It. Edit without editing a thing: Nice vote on someone who hasn't had the time to post yet; classy. What makes me dead weight any more than someone else who hasn't contributed much? Are you protecting someone who's silent?

Blind Guardian and Borimir - Borimir, what exactly do you feel good about with BG's contributions? I really haven't seen much that contributes to the game, despite her post about "getting back on topic" which she promptly didn't do; there have been some game posts since then and she hadn't posted a thing about them. I'm not sure if you're covering for her or not, but you two definitely seem linked together.


3/5 (so far)! Not bad! [/shameless]

Anyway, I'm going to put my vote on BG now, and then go reread the day, and then wander back after reading everything

++BlindGuardian

[satansaloser2005]

At the time rationale, by the way:

Paranoia probably is not a wolf because I don't think Shasta would put two newbies in a wolf pack, even with Boro. I know it's meta, but I think that if (for instance) Paranoia, Tum, and Blind were drawn as wolves, Shasta would be like "erm, no" and redraw. Of course if there's another very experienced wolf around (which most of us would be if we were in that role) it could happen. Dunno.

Cel just doesn't give wolf vibes. I know she's busy, but I think she'd be trying a bit harder if she was a wolf. (Not that I think she's trying to slack, but I think she would at least stir up more discussion if she didn't want to be dead weight.)

Nog should be in this game, because he should be a wolf in it. He's not. So wrong. :(

Morsul's either evil or just not helpful. Either way he's not an asset to the village, so while I'd much rather vote a confirmed wolf over him I'd be very happy to be rid of the possible faily danger he brings with him.

I've got no reasoning on Tum, because....well, I'm used to her in RL so I'm still getting used to her in WW and it's hard to read her yet.



Dun, actually, grows more and more light as I read his posts. However, I know how dangerous it is to underestimate him so I went with caution on my list.

Lottie's innocent in my brain, at least right now. But she's....weird. Can't explain.

I don't have anything to say about Mira, which is disconcerting, but I'm feeling good shiny things about her so I'll have to analyze (both of) her later to see what I think properly.


EDIT: x'd with Paranoia

[satansaloser2005]

You know what'd be great? Make the wolves get modfired (sort of). ;)

So assuming most of us already hadn't voted for Blind, we could have gone for X, Y, or Z. I know, it'd be possibly reducing our numbers, but we do know Blind's a wolf, so we could take down their pack and leave them for later. She probably would either go along with the majority (which tells us nothing, alas) or make crap up (the same) but she'd really just be dead weight, if she even voted at all. We have known baddies build up and then we just lynch them off in a row. Ah, it'd be so great.

(Alternatively, this would be better in a game with multiple lynches. Leave people hanging out and then lynch like three wolves in a Day. It'd be a good feeling.)


Sorry. Had the thought and it just made me cackle. I need to put in some laundry, watch Dr. Horrible (again), and read through the thread. :D



ETA: The modfire mention was for if we could get the wolf to just not vote at all. They'd not do it because it'd be letting us get a free lynch, but it would be funny. *shrug*

[satansaloser2005]

Seriously, how are there no posts?

[Paranoia]

Seriously, how are there no posts?

Simple. Follow the cop blues. -__- So many people let the cop (or seer as you guys know it) lead where I'm at as soon as they claim they all but shut down when they decided on a lynch for the day. It gets really aggravating, really quick. Not much is benefited for the town if everyone's sitting in limbo so uh... guys? Pick it up?

[Loslote]

Well, come on, people. What do you all think of each other?

Suspicious:
BeiGe
Morsul?
Noia?
Sally????? (Not at all sure there, but Zil makes good points...)

Innocent:
Nerwen
Me
Mira?
Xed?
Zil?

Not a clue:
Tum

I don't have time at the moment to give my impressions of everyone, but I think tum deserves some serious attention toDay for going along with Boro and voting McCaber. Along with BG, it looked like she was obviously trying to save Boro, and with so many people saying why voting Cab was not a good idea for the village, I see no legitimate reason tum would have done it anyway.

This is a really good point, but I have a hard time believing there were no innocents at all in that bandwaggon. Could be, but I think that'd be wacky.

Hmm. Slow toDay, innit?

Let's see. With BG gone toDay, two wolves left. And who might they be?

Looking back, there was an effort to avoid lynching Boro, and at the same time stay away from the poisonous McCaber vote. Who was behind that?

The "hints" that Sally gave for her reasons she thought Boro might be a Gifted did not give me the same idea. I thought that was a serious reach.

"All innocents together"? Really? :rolleyes:

"I'm not a wolf". :rolleyes:

Now here, Sally says that she thought Boro was hinting at being the Ranger or the Hunter, and she believed from that Nerwen was the Seer. Question: if she thought Nerwen was the Seer, why this effort to save Boro, when Nerwen was heavily pushing for his lynch well before she revealed? Something doesn't quite add up.

Like I said above, that's a very good point. All of a sudden, I'm not feeling as happy about Sally as I was earlier...

Morsul's either evil or just not helpful. Either way he's not an asset to the village, so while I'd much rather vote a confirmed wolf over him I'd be very happy to be rid of the possible faily danger he brings with him.

~~~

Lottie's innocent in my brain, at least right now. But she's....weird. Can't explain.


I have to agree with you about Morsul, although I'm more inclinded to think him evil.

Also, didn't we already know I'm weird? ;)

Not much is benefited for the town if everyone's sitting in limbo so uh... guys? Pick it up?

Eh, I'm working on that now, but I'm actually going to have to leave early - friend's graduation party - so I'm not going to be around at dl. Sowie.

[Nerwen]

Yes I did put my vote in early. At the time, I really didn't have any suspicions, and I had to vote because a strong storm had come through earlier in the day and knocked out the power in parts of the city. The internet kept on going down, and I didn't NOT want to vote. I saw voting for Cabs my best option. I didn't want to put a vote in for an innocent.

I'll have to go back, but I think he became more of a candidate after I voted. I do remember talk about the reasoning for voting vs. not voting for Cabs. If Boro was a main suspect that would be me not understanding that he was a suspect at the time.

There are such things as timestamps, tum. You were around for over an hour yesterDay, which I believe is quite long enough to get an idea of what was going on. Also, you made six posts in that time. In three of them (#249, (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630194&postcount=249) #254, (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630199&postcount=254) #257 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630204&postcount=257)) you defended Boro; in three (#257, (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630204&postcount=257) #263, (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630210&postcount=263) #273 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630221&postcount=273)) you discussed Boro's vote-plan. Yet now you say you didn't realise he was under suspicion? Really?


And yeah, I just assumed she suspected him. Besides, since I was squirming about the possibility of Boro being a gifted (which he thankfully wasn't, so while I'm not happy Nerwen had to come out I'm glad that got sorted) I didn't think it all the way through. Basically I was going for gifted preservation, or at least trying to.

But why did you think I was the Seer, then? Who did you think I had dreamed?

EDIT:X'd with Loslote.

[satansaloser2005]

But why did you think I was the Seer, then? Who did you think I had dreamed?

Well I thought you were gifted, and I just kind of placed a seer label on you, I suppose. I figured Boro was safer making the "hints" he was if (assuming he'd been being truthful) he was the ranger or hunter.


I had no idea. That was one of my tasks to investigate. But then you told us, so I was like "derp, I should have seen that coming".


Laundry time. Back in a couple. Oh, and I'm having some serious eye issues tonight so in advance forgive any and all typos and any misreading I may do. Thanks so much (and I can't wait to get new glasses)! :)

[Blind Guardian]

Btw, Noia's a wolf. 'cause I know.

[autume98]

There are such things as timestamps, tum. You were around for over an hour yesterDay, which I believe is quite long enough to get an idea of what was going on. Also, you made six posts in that time. In three of them (#249, (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630194&postcount=249) #254, (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630199&postcount=254) #257 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630204&postcount=257)) you defended Boro; in three (#257, (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630204&postcount=257) #263, (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630210&postcount=263) #273 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630221&postcount=273)) you discussed Boro's vote-plan. Yet now you say you didn't realise he was under suspicion? Really?

Thanks for pointing that out. Like I said I would have to go back, and I still hadn't the chance to do that. I had forgotten about the part where people were finding Boro suspicious due to his vote. (I probably shouldn't look at WW while I'm at work, and I end up playing with one eye over my shoulder ;)) And I kinda was on for over an hour according to the time stamps. However I'm still getting the hang of everything, and it didn't help that I kept losing my concentration due to the internet cutting in and out. I'm sure as I play more games I'll get better at all of this.

As for defending Boro, it looks like I did defend him in post #254 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630199&postcount=254). The other posts I was either agreeing with him or talking about vote-plan. It was a bad call on my part to think that he might be innocent. I'm just glad that he's gone, and that another wolf is going down. :)

[Nerwen]

Well I thought you were gifted, and I just kind of placed a seer label on you, I suppose. I figured Boro was safer making the "hints" he was if (assuming he'd been being truthful) he was the ranger or hunter.


I had no idea. That was one of my tasks to investigate. But then you told us, so I was like "derp, I should have seen that coming".

And yet, Sally, if you think a person is the Seer, and that person keeps going after another, repeatedly says he "feels furry" etc., and finally outright asks you to lynch him (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630244&postcount=294)... well, I mean, there's a pretty obvious conclusion to be reached there, no?

EDIT:X'd with tum and Wolf Guardian.

[Inziladun]

Thanks for pointing that out. Like I said I would have to go back, and I still hadn't the chance to do that. I had forgotten about the part where people were finding Boro suspicious due to his vote. (I probably shouldn't look at WW while I'm at work, and I end up playing with one eye over my shoulder ;)) And I kinda was on for over an hour according to the time stamps.

The work thing I can understand, because I do a lot on playing on the clock myself. But really, that scheme of Boro's to vote McCaber was plainly not helpful to the innocent side. You already knew Boro was under the gun for his vote for Lottie, and then he comes up with a horrible plan to lynch a modfire! That ought to have given you some pause.

And yet, Sally, if you think a person is the Seer, and that person keeps going after another, repeatedly says he "feels furry" etc., and finally outright asks you to lynch him (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630244&postcount=294)... well, I mean, there's a pretty obvious conclusion to be reached there, no?

That's my point. Yet Sally kept dragging her feet on Boro til you were forced to reveal.

[Nerwen]

Thanks for pointing that out. Like I said I would have to go back, and I still hadn't the chance to do that. I had forgotten about the part where people were finding Boro suspicious due to his vote.
How did you manage to forget that, tum? You posted on exactly two topics yesterDay, and that was one of them.

(I probably shouldn't look at WW while I'm at work, and I end up playing with one eye over my shoulder ;)) And I kinda was on for over an hour according to the time stamps. However I'm still getting the hang of everything, and it didn't help that I kept losing my concentration due to the internet cutting in and out. I'm sure as I play more games I'll get better at all of this.

As for defending Boro, it looks like I did defend him in post #254 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630199&postcount=254). The other posts I was either agreeing with him or talking about vote-plan. It was a bad call on my part to think that he might be innocent. I'm just glad that he's gone, and that another wolf is going down. :)

At #249 you said,
I noticed Boro is under suspicion for bandwagoning Lottie yesterday. Is this the only evidence we have on Boro is there something else?
I should call the use of "only" there a subtle defence, implying as it does that his clearly opportunistic vote wasn't really suspicious. And at #257 you said I'm not convinced Boro's vote is enough to vote for him.

Brief defences, true– but considering the only topics you discussed yesterDay were a.) Boro and b.) Boro's plan, I find it significant. Oh, and the bolding is mine. #249 was your very first post of the Day, and you were clearly well aware of the situation then.

EDIT: clarity; X'd with Zil.
EDIT2: formatting.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

++Blind Guardian

Wow, what a useful contribution on my part. :rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

++Blind Guardian

Wow, what a useful contribution on my part. :rolleyes:

You could be more useful, Mira. What do you think of other players?

[Nerwen]

Oh, and in another hour I will announce my second dream.

[Inziladun]

Oh, and in another hour I will announce my second dream.

I was waiting for that. :)

[autume98]

So I feel like being productive. So I've decided to create a list.

Suspicious:
Wolf BeiGe
Morsul?

Somewhat Suspicious:
Noia - however I'm kinda leaning towards innocent cause I don't think a fellow wolf would rat out a fellow wolf unless they are trying to be sneaky.
Xed
Sally - Some good points have been made, but then it could just be Sally being Sally.

Innocent:
Nerwen
Me
Lottie
Inzil
Mira

Xed with everyone since my last post

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

You could be more useful, Mira. What do you think of other players?

And if I wasn't about to fall asleep at my desk, I would answer that. My goal for toMorrow (assuming I'm still alive) is comprehensive list. The fact that it took three times to spell "comprehensive" correctly proves this fact. x.x

[Inziladun]

So I feel like being productive. So I've decided to create a list.

Suspicious:
Wolf BeiGe
Morsul?

Somewhat Suspicious:
Noia - however I'm kinda leaning towards innocent cause I don't think a fellow wolf would rat out a fellow wolf unless they are trying to be sneaky.
Xed
Sally - Some good points have been made, but then it could just be Sally being Sally.

Innocent:
Nerwen
Me
Lottie
Inzil
Mira



Aren't you missing someone? And why is Morsul suspicious, ranked with the (almost) known Wolfguardian?

EDIT- I see now that you did put in Xed, which I assume is Celuien.

[autume98]

How did you manage to forget that, tum? You posted on exactly two topics yesterDay, and that was one of them.

Easy, I was at work, keeping one eye over my shoulder trying not to get caught. And when I'm at work I have to use my phone since this site is blocked on my computer. I know...how dare they block this site! :eek:

At #249 you said, Originally Posted by tum
I noticed Boro is under suspicion for bandwagoning Lottie yesterday. Is this the only evidence we have on Boro is there something else?

I should call the use of "only" there a subtle defence, implying as it does that his clearly opportunistic vote wasn't really suspicious. And at #257 you said: Originally Posted by tum
I'm not convinced Boro's vote is enough to vote for him.

Brief defences, true– but considering the only topics you discussed yesterDay were a.) Boro and b.) Boro's plan, I find it significant. Oh, and the bolding is mine. #249 was your very first post of the Day, and you were clearly well aware of the situation then.

I guess I kinda see where you are coming from. At that time I wasn't convinced that he was a wolf. Obviously I was wrong and he turned out to be a wolf.

As for the reason those were my ONLY topics. I was playing like Morsul and was being lazy (at least I think he's the one who sometimes plays lazy) since I had gone to a baseball game, and had gone to the OKC Memorial, and had the adrenaline rush from the storm. It's quite entertaining to try and keep ahead of a storm that is throwing golf ball sized hail. ;) Needless to say I wasn't feeling very productive especially when the internet kept on going out, and I had friends that it was my first time meeting so I wanted to hang out with them. It's a miracle I even showed up as much as I did. :p

Edit: x-ed with Mira and Inzil

[satansaloser2005]

And yet, Sally, if you think a person is the Seer, and that person keeps going after another, repeatedly says he "feels furry" etc., and finally outright asks you to lynch him (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630244&postcount=294)... well, I mean, there's a pretty obvious conclusion to be reached there, no?

EDIT:X'd with tum and Wolf Guardian.

Erm, dear, everyone was suspecting Boro yesterDay. You asked me to vote for him, I'm like "oh, this can end either really well or really poorly". I'm innocent, stupid, and busy. I'm allowed to miss things, aren't I? Also, with all the attention on Boro isn't it safe for me to have assumed that you suspected him and wanted him lynched over an innocent you dreamed? That'd make sense too, wouldn't it? *shrugs* I'm just sayin'. This wolf/witch hunt is going nowhere fast because I was trying to protect any possible gifteds, for better or worse, and I refuse to be punished for trying to help my village.

Oh, and in another hour I will announce my second dream.

This excites me. 'Cause I'll still be awake (hopefully) then.


EDIT: x'd with Tum, and fixing some of those whoopsies I warned about earlier

[satansaloser2005]

Erm....I just realized I haven't actually voted yet. *blushes*


++Blind

....Which I'm rather feeling tonight (strangely enough) so this is a warning that I may not say a whole lot (if anything) for the rest of the Day.

[Blind Guardian]

Well, since I'm still alive:

++Paranoia

Why? 'Cause I know who the wolves are, and Noia can't deny it :D Why? 'Cause i'm mad, and when BeiGe is mad someone pays *head with devil horns*

[autume98]

And why is Morsul suspicious, ranked with the (almost) known Wolfguardian?

EDIT- I see now that you did put in Xed, which I assume is Celuien.

Yes Xed is Celuien.

There's not really a lot to go off on Morsul. Maybe it's just me not getting a very good read on him. This is from Day 1.

SHASTA: Reading through I noticed you put Blind on the "Didn't Vote" list she voted but late... just to defend her real quick before doing this.

She voted Nienna for absolutely no stated reasons. Spent 2 pages with nothing but banter Gets overly defensive when someone points it out and keeps reminding everyone how innocent she is and new to WW(Which seems forced and fake to me)

++Blind Guardian

I don't know Morsul very well. I've only played with him one other game, and he gave me bad vibes that game too. Although he turned out to be an Ordo in that game, so maybe he is an Ordo this game. However for now I'm going to keep him on my suspicious list.

He defends BeiGe then votes for BeiGe. Granted we now know that BeiGe is a wolf. Could it be a wolf on wolf though? This just doesn't sit well with me. If you think that Morsul is innocent please do tell me why.

Edit: x-ed with Sally, Sally again, and BeiGe

[satansaloser2005]

You know, if Paranoia really is a wolf, I'm going to be quite cross, because it would be horribly unsportsmanlike for Blind to sell out her packmate. Yes, I know, we do it all the time, but we're kidding and/or being very clever and sneaky. I think I'm just....paranoiad? :p


(Shut up. I couldn't resist the joke, lamesauce.)

[satansaloser2005]

Also, if Paranoia's a wolf, I can see that last post being used against me like mad. Even I would think I was cautioning my newbie wolf. *headdesks* I give myself very good advice, but I very seldom follow it.

*misses her muffin*


EDIT: meant to italicize the I in the second sentence, but forgot. Sounds much better now. :)

[autume98]

Yes Xed is Celuien.

There's not really a lot to go off on Morsul. Maybe it's just me not getting a very good read on him. This is from Day 1.

Actually this is from Day 2. Sorry for any confusion this may cause or has caused. :p

[Paranoia]

Honestly, I don't buy into the "Sally is a wolf." bit based on her push at the end of day 2; she was actively pushing the Blind Wolf lynch right up until Nerwen's seer claim; honestly I find it doubtful that she even would do this, as if her aim was to save Boro, she would have pushed *anyone* but BG. And if she thought Nerwen was the seer, there'd been no point in her pushing the lynch so Boro could have slipped on by today as a gifted; the only way this would make sense is if Sally planned on Nerwen being the night 2 kill. OH WAIT.

Then things make a bit more sense. Trade off a newbie wolf in favor of say... an experienced one. Kill the seer while everyone is looking elsewhere and let boro slide for a day. Maybe two; kind of unlikely in the slide by case; as far as I can tell, it was a deliberate attempt at just trying to end things before Nerwen had a chance to claim; either way, I'd kinda request that Nerwen investigate Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Well we know she didn't last Night or she wouldn't be suspecting me toDay. I'm all up for it, because clearing innocents can be just as helpful at catching wolves as actually dreaming the wolves.

Athough I'd really like to know what Mira is, because she confuses me. o_O

[Blind Guardian]

Maybe we need Nerwen's second dream ? ;)

[Paranoia]

Well, since I'm still alive:

++Paranoia

Why? 'Cause I know who the wolves are, and Noia can't deny it :D Why? 'Cause i'm mad, and when BeiGe is mad someone pays *head with devil horns*

Why do posts like this make me giggle everytime a wolf is going down? Two have tried taking me down and implicating me; both so far have failed. C'mon wolves. I know you can do better. :P [/taunt]

Also, on another note, the second paragraph of my last post is primarily just a wild shot in the dark; it's me living up to my name. Honestly, the second scenario is full of stuff unlikely to happen, and have personally never *seen* happen. Nerwen would have probably claimed anyway at the end of day, said why she suspected Boromir so much, and would have probably been protected last night anyway. I can't really speak for Nerwen though so uh... yeah.

Autumn is definitely linked with both Boromir and BG, if only for their vote yesterday, and a few other things brought up today. If I was being lazy and picking my vote primarily from the last few pages instead of the entire thread, I would probably vote Autumn tomorrow, final answer.

[Inziladun]

He defends BeiGe then votes for BeiGe. Granted we now know that BeiGe is a wolf. Could it be a wolf on wolf though? This just doesn't sit well with me. If you think that Morsul is innocent please do tell me why.

I'm not convinced about Morsul either way.

He declined to vote the first Day (as did you), and I didn't like that.

Beyond that, he voted for BG on Day 2, as you noted, while in the same post saying he had to 'defend' her. But he was apparently only correcting the point that she had attempted to vote, though it was too late to count. I don't know that could really be called a 'defence'.

x/d with all since 408

[Nerwen]

Erm, dear, everyone was suspecting Boro yesterDay. You asked me to vote for him, I'm like "oh, this can end either really well or really poorly". I'm innocent, stupid, and busy. I'm allowed to miss things, aren't I? Also, with all the attention on Boro isn't it safe for me to have assumed that you suspected him and wanted him lynched over an innocent you dreamed?

Really? What innocent was in danger?

–Anyway, I suppose you'd all like to know who the third wolf is.

Are you ready?

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

[Inziladun]

Really? What innocent was in danger?

–Anyway, I suppose you'd all like to know who the third wolf is.

Are you ready?

By all means. :cool:

[Blind Guardian]

Yeah!!

[Nerwen]

It's... ta-ta-ta–

TUM!!!
:smokin:

[Blind Guardian]

Tum? WHo's Tum?

[Paranoia]

Tum? WHo's Tum?

Acting dumb is cute. If I had to guess... I'd say Autumn?

[Nerwen]

Tum? WHo's Tum?

autume98. Your packmate, remember?:rolleyes:

EDIT:X'd with Paranoia.

[Inziladun]

Excellent. Well done, Nerwen! With luck, you'll still be with us toMorrow.

Well, our vote toMorrow will be easy enough, and we've just got one more to go.

[Blind Guardian]

Then call him Autumn, you don't have to give everyone a nickname, shesh.

Sorry, Autumn.

But come on three wolves in a row! This stinks -_-

[satansaloser2005]

It's... ta-ta-ta–

TUM!!!
:smokin:




HAHA! You have no idea how unsurprising this is to me. *dies of win* Every bit of my brain was screaming "Wolf!" but I've not yet gotten rid of my RL meta barriers of "but....but it's Tum....and she....nah....". My day, it has been made.


And again, Nerwen, stop being such a bloody rockstar. (Of course I'll happily let you wait until after you've found the fourth wolf.) The win, it is palpable.


Oh, I think I need to make a phone call. Drat. Back in a tick.


Oh, and Tum? You just lost the game. (Sorry, Lottie dear.)

[Inziladun]

Then call him Autumn, you don't have to give everyone a nickname, shesh.

You could refer to your packmate as her. :rolleyes:

[Blind Guardian]

Autumn98 is a girl?! Now, that's suprising! (Sorry...)

[satansaloser2005]

Then call him Autumn, you don't have to give everyone a nickname, shesh.

Sorry, Autumn.

But come on three wolves in a row! This stinks -_-

She's actually a she, thanks. Boro, never be a wolf with a bunch of girls again. It's just....no (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15630). *snuggles your corpse*

Now here's hoping that Tum and her illustrious magical so far unknown packmate don't get a last meal, eh?


Oh, and Blind? Check out my last game (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=16272). This is nothing. *basks in the awesome that is Mistress Nerwen, Who Sees That Which Cannot Be Unseen*

[satansaloser2005]

You could refer to your packmate as her. :rolleyes:

Makes me think they need a human relations person for the wolf pa- oh, wait. :Merisu:

[Blind Guardian]

I'm not dead, I still have a half an hour to live :D Then I shall be gone and [blank] and Tum shall get their last meal! Touché, one for of you is going to die *puts up bet*

[Blind Guardian]

Makes me think they need a human relations person for the wolf pa- oh, wait. :Merisu:


Not-so-pack-anymore, is your word?

[autume98]

Autumn98 is a girl?! Now, that's suprising! (Sorry...)

She's actually a she, thanks. Boro, never be a wolf with a bunch of girls again. It's just....no. *snuggles your corpse*

Now here's hoping that Tum and her illustrious magical so far unknown packmate don't get a last meal, eh?


Oh, and Blind? Check out my last game (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=16272). This is nothing. *basks in the awesome that is Mistress Nerwen, Who Sees That Which Cannot Be Unseen*

You could refer to your packmate as her. :rolleyes:

Thanks Inzil and Sally. And don't worry about it BeiGe I've had to be corrected several times myself. Possibly even this game. ;)

[autume98]

I'm not dead, I still have a half an hour to live :D Then I shall be gone and [blank] and Tum shall get their last meal! Touché, one for of you is going to die *puts up bet*

Actually a little less than an hour and a half. ;)

[Blind Guardian]

Thanks Inzil and Sally. And don't worry about it BeiGe I've had to be corrected several times myself. Possibly even this game. ;)


I'm still not sure who Fae is...:confused:

[Celuien]

Go Nerwen!!

I am so, so sorry that I'm not around... The schedule plus deadline time is just not working out well for me. However, I will do my best to thwart snacking toNight by the last wolf...

[Blind Guardian]

Actually a little less than an hour and a half. ;)


It's 8:41PM so 10:00PM is the dl?

[satansaloser2005]

I'm still not sure who Fae is...:confused:

Whom?

[satansaloser2005]

Go Nerwen!!

I am so, so sorry that I'm not around... The schedule plus deadline time is just not working out well for me. However, I will do my best to thwart snacking toNight by the last wolf...

ORLY? (Sorry, but that was about my face when I saw this.)

[Blind Guardian]

Whom?

Fae...uh, sorry, Fea. ^_^


http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=624011&postcount=824

That Fea ^^ Who is it?

[Paranoia]

This is all making me Giddy. 3/4 wolves down tomorrow. Go Go Nerwen. XD

[satansaloser2005]

Fae...uh, sorry, Fea. ^_^


http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=624011&postcount=824

That Fea ^^ Who is it?

Ahhhh, gotcha. Feanor of the Peredhil. She's another infamous Werewolf player.

[Blind Guardian]

Nerwen was the seer in the last game too? What the heck?

[Inziladun]

That Fea ^^ Who is it?

Village prostitute. ;)

Really! Read the thread some time.

[Blind Guardian]

Ahhhh, gotcha. Feanor of the Peredhil. She's another infamous Werewolf player.



Oooohhhh. Yeah I don't know her/him.

[satansaloser2005]

Village prostitute. ;)

Really! Read the thread some time.



HAHA! Yes, yes she is. And the Downs is forever in her debt. :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Oooohhhh. Yeah I don't know her/him.

Her. She is a she, you she....erm, see? :p

[Inziladun]

Nerwen was the seer in the last game too? What the heck?

Not the last game. But the game Sally brought up was another example of inspired dreaming by Nerwen.

[satansaloser2005]

Not the last game. But the game Sally brought up was another example of inspired dreaming by Nerwen.

Also an example of the moddess nearly wetting her pants. But that's a story for another Day. ;)

[Celuien]

ORLY? (Sorry, but that was about my face when I saw this.)

Yup... *draws Rangerly sword and shield*

[satansaloser2005]

Yup... *draws Rangerly sword and shield*

YES! I KNOW EVERYTHING NOW!

Erm, I mean....



Hunter can has make wolfpup chow now? ^_^

[Inziladun]

Yup... *draws Rangerly sword and shield*

So our Seer lives to dream another Night!

[satansaloser2005]

DUDE, A PLAN!

Nerwen dreams last wolf. Wolf is X.
ToNight an innocent is killed. (Sad day, but it is to be expected.)
ToMorrow both wolves are known.
Hunter comes forward in a brave manner. We lynch them and they hunt both wolves. Game bloody over! ^_^


Of course I'm being both optimistic and suicidal on some level, but meh. I like it.

[Blind Guardian]

*laughs* Sorry, the date said 2010 and I just thought. Though 24 pages is a lot...that's an average of two pages a day.

Xed with 446

[satansaloser2005]

*laughs* Sorry, the date said 2010 and I just thought. Though 24 pages is a lot...that's an average of two pages a day.

Well the game was modded by me and....well, yeah. I'm a very active moddess. (And then there was phantom....)

[Blind Guardian]

DUDE, A PLAN!

Nerwen dreams last wolf. Wolf is X.
ToNight an innocent is killed. (Sad day, but it is to be expected.)
ToMorrow both wolves are known.
Hunter comes forward in a brave manner. We lynch them and they hunt both wolves. Game bloody over! ^_^


Of course I'm being both optimistic and suicidal on some level, but meh. I like it.

Yeah, still one hour.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Ahhhh, gotcha. Feanor of the Peredhil. She's another infamous Werewolf player.

And my big sister. Luff her lots. *snuggles*

So sleep was a fail so I got back on to see what was up with the game and lo and behold! Another wolf and this:
However, I will do my best to thwart snacking toNight by the last wolf...

Celuien, succeed and this can get categorized with the awesome turkey of amazingness in reasons why you're awesome.

Haha, and sally, thanks for linking Lari and my game. Makes me stupidly happy. *snuggles* Oh, and
Hunter can has make wolfpup chow now? ^_^
Om nom nom. :D

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, still one hour.

That hardly makes a difference. ToDay's lynch is decided, so we may as well start planning for toMorrow. Sorry, babe, but you're yesterDay's news and it's still toDay. :p

[Celuien]

So our Seer lives to dream another Night!

That is my plan...

Celuien, succeed and this can get categorized with the awesome turkey of amazingness in reasons why you're awesome.

Haha! The turkey!! :D

[satansaloser2005]

Om nom nom, Stick, om nom nom!


Heh, it feels weird calling you Mira when you're....not Mira. *headdesks* And I had to link to your game. It was epic, after all! More wolf fail yay! ;) (Hey, I think I've finally gotten over it! That and if we talk about it too much the Best Mod and Worst Cobbler Ever may send modfire down upon us all, I think.)



EDIT: x'd with a turkey....erm, I mean Cel

[Blind Guardian]

Yeah, but I'm not dead yet! *can still post*

Xed with them two

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Om nom nom, Stick, om nom nom!


Heh, it feels weird calling you Mira when you're....not Mira. *headdesks* And I had to link to your game. It was epic, after all! More wolf fail yay! ;) (Hey, I think I've finally gotten over it! That and if we talk about it too much the Best Mod and Worst Cobbler Ever may send modfire down upon us all, I think.)
l

Haha, it's still me though! Although if it would make you feel better to call me Keith (whose account this actually is), you go right ahead, dear. Not like we need more nicknames or anything. :D

Aww I was going to make a Worst Cobbler Ever crack! *pouts* :p *snuggles Shasta*

Yeah, but I'm not dead yet! *can still post*

Doesn't mean anybody cares.

[Blind Guardian]

I care

[Inziladun]

I care

Enjoy your last hour. Go out in style! Do something to amuse us. :D

[Paranoia]

Yeah, but I'm not dead yet! *can still post*

Xed with them two

I'm not dead yet, I can dance and I can sing~
I'm not dead yet, I can do the highland fling~
I'm not dead yet, no need to go to bed~
No need to call the doctor, because I'm not yet dead~

[Blind Guardian]

Shoot me! Let's see, something funny...hm...*farts* Hm, that felt good.

[satansaloser2005]

I care

Like she said, not that anybody cares. Any body on the other hand....

(Oooo, I'm wicked tonight. I like it.)

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Like she said, not that anybody cares. Any body on the other hand....

(Oooo, I'm wicked tonight. I like it.)

Heh luffs. Dear, what was the game that you were a known wolf and song parodied for the entirety of the last Day you were alive? (I think it was you at least...)

[satansaloser2005]

Heh luffs. Dear, what was the game that you were a known wolf and song parodied for the entirety of the last Day you were alive? (I think it was you at least...)

That was Kit's Panic at the Prancing Pony (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15286). Heh, as the night drew later for me my parodies got less and less....parody-ish. *blushes* But still, fun game. :)



ETA: Also, I'm offended you thought it could have been anyone else. :p

[Blind Guardian]

*sings*
500 bottles of beer on the wall, 500 bottles of beer, you take one down, pass it around, 499 bottles of beer on the wall.
499 bottles of beer on the wall, 499 bottles of beer, you take one down, pass it around, 498 bottles of beer on the wall.
498 bottles of beer on the wall, 498 bottles of beer, you take one down, pass it around, 497 bottles of beer on the wall.
497 bottles of beer on the wall, 497 bottles of beer, you take one down, pass it around, 496 bottles of beer on the wall.
496 bottles of beer on the wall, 496 bottles of beer, you take one down, pass it around, 495 bottles of beer on the wall!

*Drinks* I found the keg :D This is definitely the way to go!

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

That was Kit's Panic at the Prancing Pony (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15286). Heh, as the night drew later for me my parodies got less and less....parody-ish. *blushes* But still, fun game. :)



ETA: Also, I'm offended you thought it could have been anyone else. :p

Aaaah yes. Duck took over for you at one point, no? Fabulous time sitting in Lari's room reading those, that's for sure. :D

All right, Shasta, I'm done being off topic (because I know you're about to yell at me).

[Blind Guardian]

BTW, I did hint that I was a wolf ya know :D


Of corpse I did!

[Nerwen]

That was Kit's Panic at the Prancing Pony (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15286). Heh, as the night drew later for me my parodies got less and less....parody-ish. *blushes* But still, fun game. :)

Ah, yes. Good times.

And you're the Ranger, Cel?

Let's hope I can bag the fourth wolf toNight, though we've still got a pretty wide field left:

Keeper/Mira
Lottie
Zil
Sally
Para
Morsul

Lottie and Zil seem the least likely. Mira... well, I don't really think so, but it's possible her exasperation with Blind yesterDay was that of a wolf trying to get her packmate to shut her muzzle.

On the whole, I believe I'll pick either Sally, Para or Morsul. (If it's either of the fellers, he'd have to be the target of exceptionally heavy, and, frankly clumsy wolf-on-wolf attacks.)

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

[Nerwen]

BTW, I did hint that I was a wolf ya know :D

No kidding.:rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

I'd prefer Mira, Dun, or Morsul. Any of them would make my brain less confused.


And oh, yes, yes they were. *howls nostalgically with you*

[Blind Guardian]

*howls!* *coughs up bits of last Night's dinner* ugh, that didn't go down right! Oh, maybe that was the iocane cookies coming back to haunt me

[Nerwen]

I'd prefer Mira, Dun, or Morsul. Any of them would make my brain less confused.

Why Inziladun?

[Celuien]

Ah, yes. Good times.

And you're the Ranger, Cel?



Yup.

There have been a couple of things skimming through here that make me uneasy about Sally... like being both optimistic and suicidal up there, but that may just be my hurried reading talking. Wish I had more time to analyze today... This frustrates me to no end!

Good night everyone...

[satansaloser2005]

I've always got tricks up my sleeve. Doesn't mean they're evil ones though.


Really I think I've got most people figured, but those three confuse me. I don't know; I think Dun always makes me uneasy. And those were just my choices, so you by no means have to follow them.


And I'm sorry, but I'm falling asleepon Abigail and she doesn't much like getting drooled on, so I should go. Until the Morning, I hope! :)

[Blind Guardian]

Bye bye! *waves* And merry christmas to all, and to all a good Night! *coughs* life, better then mine.

One more thing: [add last wolfs name here] kill them!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Day 3

As became quite unsurprising to most, Blind Guardian was beaten to death by those who could reach her (still falling, of course). She was, of course, a werewolf.

Alive:
Mira
Morsul
Inzil
Sally
Lottie
Nerwen
Tum
Celuien
Paranoia

Dead:
Shasta - Head Pulveriz'd Night 1 (Mod)
Nienna - Ping Pong'd Day 1 (Ordo)
Izzy - Night-Blind'd Night 2 (Cobbler)
Wilwa - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Boro - Om Nomm'd Day 2 (Wolf)
McCaber - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Glirdan - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Elfie - Forcibly Ramm'd Night 3 (Ordo)
Blind - Beaten and Ston'd (har har) Day 3 (Wolf)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Night 4

No one could keep their eyes open (including the mod), they were all so lethargic and tired after yesterday.

Nerwen died horribly. One hit from the two wolves remaining and she was gone.

Alive:
Mira
Morsul
Inzil
Sally
Lottie
Tum
Celuien
Paranoia

Dead:
Shasta - Head Pulveriz'd Night 1 (Mod)
Nienna - Ping Pong'd Day 1 (Ordo)
Izzy - Night-Blind'd Night 2 (Cobbler)
Wilwa - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Boro - Om Nomm'd Day 2 (Wolf)
McCaber - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Glirdan - Asplod'd Day 2 (Ordo)
Elfie - Forcibly Ramm'd Night 3 (Ordo)
Blind - Beaten and Ston'd (har har) Day 3 (Wolf)
Nerwen - One Hit KO'd Night 4 (Seer)

Please don't post for another hour and fifteen minutes. I'm just exhausted. Wolves can continue to PM until midnight.

[Loslote]

Wait, what? I thought Xed was going to protect her! :confused:

Anyway...

++Tum

[Celuien]

Sorry. It was a bluff. :( No protecting twice in a row. I hoped that by revealing and saying I would that it would deter an attack.

++Tum

[Loslote]

Sorry. It was a bluff. :( No protecting twice in a row. I hoped that by revealing and saying I would that it would deter an attack.

You know, that gave me a thought. Probably the last wolf is one of the people on Nerwen's list, and they couldn't afford to let her live. If that's true, then it would narrow down the list of suspects a LOT... And after all, why would a wolf who had nothing to fear risk losing a Night kill go after someone who was supposed to be protected? What thinkest all you others?

[Celuien]

You know, that gave me a thought. Probably the last wolf is one of the people on Nerwen's list, and they couldn't afford to let her live. If that's true, then it would narrow down the list of suspects a LOT... And after all, why would a wolf who had nothing to fear risk losing a Night kill go after someone who was supposed to be protected? What thinkest all you others?

Could be. Or they could have used their double kill the night before (one for her and the other for Elfie) and thus already known that I was bluffing about being able to protect her last night.

[Loslote]

Could be. Or they could have used their double kill the night before (one for her and the other for Elfie) and thus already known that I was bluffing about being able to protect her last night.

Wouldn't we have been told that, though? If not, then that's a possibility...

[Celuien]

Wouldn't we have been told that, though? If not, then that's a possibility...

I'm not sure. That info would be a huge strategic point, so it might be something withheld...

[Loslote]

I'm not sure. That info would be a huge strategic point, so it might be something withheld...

True. It'd be nice to know, but ShastaMod will have his secrets, won't he? :rolleyes::p

[Morsul the Dark]

Am I missing some posts two votes for Tum already... I haven't been nearly as active as I normally am in this game... but I think our list of suspects is too long for votes that quick...

I'll be on tonight with more time...

[Inziladun]

Sorry. It was a bluff. :( No protecting twice in a row. I hoped that by revealing and saying I would that it would deter an attack.

Oh, well. Nerwen was able to get us three of the wolves, anyway. At least you're a known innocent (since there's been no counter-reveal), and that's a great help.

You know, that gave me a thought. Probably the last wolf is one of the people on Nerwen's list, and they couldn't afford to let her live. If that's true, then it would narrow down the list of suspects a LOT... And after all, why would a wolf who had nothing to fear risk losing a Night kill go after someone who was supposed to be protected? What thinkest all you others?

The wolves would have had incentive to go after Nerwen regardless of where they were on her suspicion list.

Am I missing some posts two votes for Tum already... I haven't been nearly as active as I normally am in this game... but I think our list of suspects is too long for votes that quick...

Did you miss something rather important? Nerwen told us yesterDay tum was a wolf. Could you be the final wolf?

++tum

[Inziladun]

Hmm. I naturally find it suspicious that Morsul rushed to question the votes on tum. Then again, as a wolf he couldn't realistically not have known about tum's predicament. If Morsul is a wolf, I have to wonder if that level of playing dumb would have occurred to him as a wise move. And as Nerwen said, if Morsul's a wolf he's been on the receiving end of some heavy-handed wolf-on-wolf.
That said, I don't want to get too focused on Morsul.

Something else caught by eye, an interesting exchange between Borowolf and Mira of Dol Guldur.

I was about to tell Nerwen and Mira they would need to do a much better job at summarizing than that to get a no Day-1 vote from me, but those were actually quite accurate. Wow.

Funny how both of you do what I asked, but take two different attitudes towards me. Mira seizes the opportunity to do a "by the way" I love you. I'm obligated to ask, because this always seems to happen...trying to get me comfortable with you so my guard's down and it's easier to kill me? You know if I die next night and I find out you're behind it, I won't talk to you for a week, right? Glad we understand eachother now.

Haha yes, dear. In the ridiculously unlikely event that that happens you can totally not talk to me for a week. Give me the "Nienna treatment" if you will. :D :p

Going to the gym then I'll legitimately be around for the rest of the Day. ...I think.

Excellent, because this means if I die, you either wouldn't be involved in anyway as you wouldn't want the "Nienna treatment" from me, or you would be involved and that means you don't give a darn. I've got all I need to know, I think I can safely assume the former with you. :D (P.S. I do include cobblery, however. If we are going with the cobbler = .5 wolf conversion...if you're the cobbler I won't talk to you for 3.5 days. Does this change anything?) (bolding added by me)

Now why was it 'ridiculously unlikely', in Mira's words, that Boro would be Night-killed?

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Now why was it 'ridiculously unlikely', in Mira's words, that Boro would be Night-killed?

Easy. I'm not a wolf, therefore I couldn't be responsible for his Night death.

[satansaloser2005]

You know, at this point I'd really like to try out my plan (aka the unter coming forward). The wolf would then avoid them toNight even if we didn't lynch them (the hunter, that is) and it would put us down to a maximum of two kills toNight (assuming the double kill is so far unused and also succeeds) rather than a possibility of four (with the hunter, their two targets, and possibly the second kill).



I'd love to have this be fact, but I want to get everyone else's opinions before we decide what to do. Also, I'm in a rush so Tum's fate may be already sealed. If that's the case then fine, but I think it would be prudent to consider outting the hunter at this point. Anyway, thoughts?

[satansaloser2005]

Incidentally, I won't be back until about five my time (in six hours or so). If we need to come to a consensus about this, either way is fine with me, but I'd still love to hear thoughts about the hunter coming out even if we do lynch Tum directly.


Until later, and sorry again that I can't stay!

[Inziladun]

Easy. I'm not a wolf, therefore I couldn't be responsible for his Night death.

Hmm. It looked as if you were saying Boro would not be Night-killed period. I'm trying to keep all possibilities open, so I thought that should be addressed.

You know, at this point I'd really like to try out my plan (aka the unter coming forward). The wolf would then avoid them toNight even if we didn't lynch them (the hunter, that is) and it would put us down to a maximum of two kills toNight (assuming the double kill is so far unused and also succeeds) rather than a possibility of four (with the hunter, their two targets, and possibly the second kill).

I don't think we should lynch the Hunter toDay. The possibility of hitting an innocent along with tum is too likely.

I would also think the wolves' double kill was likely already used to ensure they got Nerwen, but that's guesswork.

As for the Hunter revealing, it would give us another known innocent, along with Celuien.

Let's see...there are 8 of us left, 2 wolves and 6 innocents.

We know tum is a wolf.

Cel is the Ranger.

If the Hunter reveals now, that gives us 2 known innocents, one known wolf, and 5 unknowns.

Well, I can see the benefits of it. If the Hunter doesn't reveal toDay, xe certainly should toMorrow.

[Morsul the Dark]

oh... I missed that.

++Tum

[Morsul the Dark]

for the record every time I post an analyssis I get "Morsul's confused" "Morsul has no idea what he's talking about." hence my lowered involvement also RL has put a good amount on my plate

[satansaloser2005]

Poke? Poke?


No one? Fine then. Laundry time! I'll check back in a bit, specifically after I have clean pants in my drawer and a sandwich in my tummy. ^_^

[Paranoia]

++Tum

I'm going to be back later with my thoughts. In the meanwhile... uhhhh... don't tear the place down?

[Inziladun]

Since most everyone seems to be taking it easy toDay, and the vote's not really much of a topic, I thought I'd look at someone.


Uh, hi folks.

Issabell - As per usual, she will be herself; but I'm kind of disconcerted by her lack of analyzing every little thing, or at least people and their actions. Somehow this just feels off from how I know her. Keeping my eye on her.


This Lottie Person of Which you All Speak - Posts seem really fluff centric; even beyond the usual page one or two stuff; really unnerves me. Maybe I'm just new here and this happens a lot but idk. If I had to guess, out of the fluffer wuffers I'd vote her. Another issue I have with her is she seems to be subtly trying to get dreamed; Makes me think of her as an early likely candidate to be the cobbler. But that's mean and I've been wrong about this **** before. Edit without really editing: What in the hell? I see a lot of posting from you, but it's almost all game mechanics. IT's like you're trying to look helpful without being helpful; I understand giving newbies the ropes but I'd prefer giving them the ropes while providing examples of scumhunting and picking apart posts. You claim we are blind when we are not. There's always something to pick apart and anyone who claims we are shooting blind day one or two is taking the lazy way out when we don't have time for the lazy way o' doing things.

Nienna - I don't like the entire "I'm being suspected day one so of course I'm innocent." comment, but other than that was all business. Still feel uneasy about her, but I'm unlikely to vote her at the moment. Him. It. Edit without editing a thing: Nice vote on someone who hasn't had the time to post yet; classy. What makes me dead weight any more than someone else who hasn't contributed much? Are you protecting someone who's silent?

Blind Guardian and Borimir - Borimir, what exactly do you feel good about with BG's contributions? I really haven't seen much that contributes to the game, despite her post about "getting back on topic" which she promptly didn't do; there have been some game posts since then and she hadn't posted a thing about them. I'm not sure if you're covering for her or not, but you two definitely seem linked together.

My five picks at the moment, meaning I'm voting from this pool.

Out of everyone here, I feel the best voting either Lottie or BG; both don't seem to be putting forth anything of import or bringing much to the thread but a distraction; I don't like distractions. I prefer distractions are dead, in fact, and Lottie really hasn't brought much to the town that I can see.

I really don't like Nienna's entire position on me, but omgus sucks, so I'll just fos her/him/it in return. :P So my vote is going to...

++Lottie

Intro post. Starts off by saying Izzy (who he apparently knows IRL) seems 'off' because she wasn't really doing any analysis of anyone or anything.

Then goes into why he thought Lottie was suspicious.

Also doesn't like Nienna's vote for him.

The he questions Boro on why the latter seems so comfortable with BG. Para goes so far as to say the two of them are 'linked together'.
Now, wolf-on-wolf can look different coming from different people, and I've never played with Para before, but if he was a packmate of theirs, I would think his grouping the two of them together so early would have been unnecessarily reckless.

He then says he'll vote for Lottie or BG because they both were 'distractions', and ends by saying he suspects Nienna too, but not enough to vote her.

Overall, I think his vote for Lottie looks the best of the three votes for her, and one of them was from a known innocent, Glirdan.

It's not that odd; I consider Nienna to have been almost all business. I respect that, but I don't like her/his position on me simply because it feels like a copout based on what's already been said in the thread. It's essentially a safe, throw away vote. It's the sort of vote you cast when you already know where a lynch is headed.

I explained in that big long nightmare full of editing and spelling errors who I considered suspicious at the moment and why. Although I have reasons, I can understand your apprehension, because I see absolutely no reason from the other Lottie voters; it's either random voting or idk. I'm probably going to take my vote off of them since they've started getting down to business, but I still consider them suspicious.

++Unvote

So who will I vote instead?

++Boromir His refusal to vote BG based on BG just feeling alright to him rubs me the wrong way; I could see it as him protecting her as his/her packmate and I can see it as him trying to get easy townie points with a newbie player.

Further explains why he thought Nienna was suspicious. Tried to retract his vote for Lottie and give it to Boro instead.
Again, he linked Boro and BG together.


So how would voting for someone who has yet to talk tell us **** all about what's going on? If I could switch my vote (Which the Mod just informed me you can't hurrrr.) I think I would omgus Nienna now and switch my vote to them, simply because part of what they have had to say has been self contradictory.

Really doesn't like Nienna's latest. Wants to retract and vote her.

Hey, lady I've been gone all day! I have a life you know! And it's not my fault I wasn't on topic. I would have posted all of that in the admin topic if I knew that we had changed topics in the first place! Rude!

Now this from BG was in response to Para's casting suspicion on her. The 'Hey, lady' could be brought as evidence of Para's innocence, since you'd think BG would know a bit about her packmate. Then again, BG was also calling tum a 'him', so that should be taken with a grain of salt.

It's possible that it wasn't even so much bad luck as it was that the wolves thought Izzy was the seer, which I think is also a definite possibility. Go back to Christina's vote at the end of day one on Boromir; the kill certainly makes a lot more sense from the perspective that the wolves thought her to be the seer, and that she'd dreamed one of their own, i.e. Boromir.

Ruminating on why Izzy was killed.

Yeah; I have issues sometimes slipping up when I know someone's name. It's an issue of mine because I have a hard time keeping track of all the different names people use. :( Also I see I posted a condensed version of what Nerwen posted like.. right after her. XD

Explains why he slipped and made reference to Cobbler Christina, and not Izzy.

Paranoa too, looked suspicious.

BG casting suspicion on Para. Like I said, wolf-on-wolf is not uncommon, but if Para's a wolf, this is needless overkill.

Uh... first thing of note; isn't any vote on someone who's inactive essentially a wasted vote? Caber has as equal a chance at being a wolf as anyone else. If that's the case just letting the modkill take care of him'd be enough for me; I'd rather look for the wolves among the people who are at least actively posting. At least they're the ones who won't catch themselves for us, so uh, I'm not sure what the Caber vote accomplishes...

Questions Boro's plan to lynch the soon-to-be-modfired McCaber. Two of Boro's packmates signed onto it, but one didn't.

WOAH! Hold your horses there! I can't believe you you were considering Boro suspicious earlier, but are readily going along with the wagon counter to his lynch; really makes me think you're trying your best to make sure Boro doesn't die. Really makes you look mighty furry together.

*I* really don't like how fast the wagon counter to the Boro wagon is picking up speed, but part of me has is a wee bit paranoid (just a wee bit) that this is bussing an inactive wolf to save an active one.

So without getting much of a chance to go over things, I think I'm go... wait. I do know. I'm voting...

Boromir

Calls out BG for supporting Boro and voting McCaber. Once again, outright links the two of them together.
Votes Boro, but forgets the '++'.

Uh... who ya talkin' too because there are nine million people who that could be referring. Also, day ends in 54 minutes. :P

Also.

++Boromir

Talks to BG again, and fixes his vote.

So I feel like being productive. So I've decided to create a list.

Suspicious:
Wolf BeiGe
Morsul?

Somewhat Suspicious:
Noia - however I'm kinda leaning towards innocent cause I don't think a fellow wolf would rat out a fellow wolf unless they are trying to be sneaky.
Xed
Sally - Some good points have been made, but then it could just be Sally being Sally.

Innocent:
Nerwen
Me
Lottie
Inzil
Mira



This list of tum's has Para in the 'Somewhat Suspicious' category, alond with Celuien and Sally. Nothing should be made of that, however. It's a list made by a wolf.

Well, since I'm still alive:

++Paranoia[/B]

Why? 'Cause I know who the wolves are, and Noia can't deny it :D Why? 'Cause i'm mad, and when BeiGe is mad someone pays *head with devil horns*

Wolf Guardian goes down fighting with a vote for Para. Says Para is a wolf. I'll admit, if Para was his packmate, this is a new one for me. As far as BG knew at this stage though, tum was still safe, so it wouldn't make much sense for BG to out his packmate.

Honestly, I don't buy into the "Sally is a wolf." bit based on her push at the end of day 2; she was actively pushing the Blind Wolf lynch right up until Nerwen's seer claim; honestly I find it doubtful that she even would do this, as if her aim was to save Boro, she would have pushed *anyone* but BG. And if she thought Nerwen was the seer, there'd been no point in her pushing the lynch so Boro could have slipped on by today as a gifted; the only way this would make sense is if Sally planned on Nerwen being the night 2 kill. OH WAIT.

Then things make a bit more sense. Trade off a newbie wolf in favor of say... an experienced one. Kill the seer while everyone is looking elsewhere and let boro slide for a day. Maybe two; kind of unlikely in the slide by case; as far as I can tell, it was a deliberate attempt at just trying to end things before Nerwen had a chance to claim; either way, I'd kinda request that Nerwen investigate Sally.

Makes some decent points here. Starts by saying he didn't think Sally was a wolf because she was trying to get BG lynched, but thought it possible Sally hadn't banked on Nerwen revealing, and planned to get her the next Night.

Why do posts like this make me giggle everytime a wolf is going down? Two have tried taking me down and implicating me; both so far have failed. C'mon wolves. I know you can do better. :P [/taunt]

Also, on another note, the second paragraph of my last post is primarily just a wild shot in the dark; it's me living up to my name. Honestly, the second scenario is full of stuff unlikely to happen, and have personally never *seen* happen. Nerwen would have probably claimed anyway at the end of day, said why she suspected Boromir so much, and would have probably been protected last night anyway. I can't really speak for Nerwen though so uh... yeah.

Autumn is definitely linked with both Boromir and BG, if only for their vote yesterday, and a few other things brought up today. If I was being lazy and picking my vote primarily from the last few pages instead of the entire thread, I would probably vote Autumn tomorrow, final answer.

Laughs at BG's efforts to say he's a wolf, then admits the scenario in his last post was unlikely. Also, and I think this is noteworthy, links tum with Boro and BG before Nerwen said she had dreamed of tum. This would have been insane for a Parawolf, linking his last packmate with the other two.

Conclusion? I don't think Paranoia is likely to be the last wolf. If he is, and wins, my hat's off to him.

[Loslote]

You know, at this point I'd really like to try out my plan (aka the unter coming forward). The wolf would then avoid them toNight even if we didn't lynch them (the hunter, that is) and it would put us down to a maximum of two kills toNight (assuming the double kill is so far unused and also succeeds) rather than a possibility of four (with the hunter, their two targets, and possibly the second kill).



I'd love to have this be fact, but I want to get everyone else's opinions before we decide what to do. Also, I'm in a rush so Tum's fate may be already sealed. If that's the case then fine, but I think it would be prudent to consider outting the hunter at this point. Anyway, thoughts?

It could be helpful. Then again, if the hunter has previously trusted the wolf, they might kill xem anyway, trusting that xe would not hunt someone they trusted.

[autume98]

I'm actually kinda shocked to see that I only have 4 votes for me. :eek: I thought for sure that I'd get home from work and would have a few more votes against me. :p