WW: LXXVI - At Moria: EXTRA Edition

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Plot will be up tomorrow, tomorrow morning is my second day at work (I work in the mornings, won't affect the game at all, :p).

Suffice it to say you're all falling down Moria. You know, bottomless mines and all that. Enjoy freefall, but beware the wolves falling with you, hmm? Of course, you're sleepfalling, seeing as how it's Night 1, but you know. Seer can dream, Wolves can PM among each other, Hunter can send me a hunt if he/she likes, but obviously there won't be a kill.

Happy hunting!

[Blind Guardian]

Yeah!! I can't wait till tomorrow! Don't you think since this is Moria they should be called Orcs instead of wolfs? It would make sense. Any ways, let the slaying (and free falling!) begin!!




Am I the only person online that wants to do this?!?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Blind, you posted during a night phase. Silly. :p

Night 1 ends. Day 1 begins and will end at midnight.

Something I forgot to mention - in case of a tie, the last person to receive the number of votes will die.

You may now post. :) Plot tomorrow. Just know that I cracked my head on an overhang while falling with the rest of you and am now dead.

[Loslote]

Hehe... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--szrOHtR6U)

If it doesn't have a tail it's not a werewolf
Even if it has a wolfy kind of feel
If it doesn't have a tail it's not a werewolf
If it doesn't have a tail it's not a werewolf but an ord!

[Celuien]

I don't think I like falling at all! It's bad on the nerves, and not at all like gliding down over Mulholland...

Why couldn't we go over the mountain rather than into Moria? :p

[The Elf-warrior]

I doubt any of us enjoy falling. We have a bigger problem. Werewolves! Hideous creatures of the stygian night.

[Blind Guardian]

Acully I edited that around 4 in the afternoon.

[Blind Guardian]

We can always try to push each other off!

[Loslote]

Mira, Boro, and Wilwa posted first second, and third, so one of them must be guilty. Oh, wait...:Merisu:

Morsul is guilty just on principle.

Zil I can usually read pretty well, but so far I have nothing - thus, guilty.

Blind posted early. Clearly an example of a newbie wolf!

Sally had a birthday, and thus must be evil.

Cabbie decided to come back, probably because he knew he'd be a wolf!

Elfie has a much-debated nick; he must be using this to his advantage in appearing innocent and thus must be guilty!

Nienna's name can be shortened to Ni, which is very Monty-Python-esque, thus...Burn the Witch! :p

Nerwen's name means (unless I'm way confused) man-maiden, which is similar to man-wolf, which is evil!

Izzy is being a real submarine this game. Has she even posted at all? :eek:

Glirdy has an avie that can easily be interperted as evil. Coincidence???

Tum has come back from a long absense, probably at Sally's request, and thus probably to be Sally's packmate!

Celuin, last I saw, has a frog avie. This is clearly referencing Wilwa's Grimm Tales game, which means that she and Wilwa must be packmates!

Paranoia's name is similar to Paranormal, which in turn references werewolves. Thus, evil!!

~~~

Okay. A wee bit more serious now (but still not all that serious).

I am not going to vote for*:

BG or Para as they are new.

Cabbie, Celuin, or Tum as I have never played with them before.

Rikae as I'm pretty sure we can assume she's not evil.

*barring Seer reveal

Now that that's out of the way...I really, really hope I x with someone.

EDIT: Ooh, yay, xed with a Celuin and an Elfie and a BG!

[Blind Guardian]

You forgot Elf-Warior. The name could be a hoax, must be evil!

[Loslote]

You forgot Elf-Warior. The name could be a hoax, must be evil!

No, I call him Elfie. He's also known as Tew, Tewie, Ewie (but not often ;) ) and many others that I do not at this moment recall. :p

[Blind Guardian]

Oh, OK. Now I feel stupid

[Loslote]

Oh, OK. Now I feel stupid

Oh, don't feel stupid! It's hard enough for those of us who've been here for tons of games to figure out nicks sometimes. :)

[Blind Guardian]

Well you could have called him/her (another problem I have!) E-W or something lol

[Loslote]

Well you could have called him/her (another problem I have!) E-W or something lol

Ah, but see, that spells "ew" and we like Elfie. ;):p

[Blind Guardian]

OK fine Elfie! Didn't you say there was dispute over the name :D

[Loslote]

OK fine Elfie! Didn't you say there was dispute over the name :D

That I did...and you don't have to call him that, I just do. :p

[Blind Guardian]

All well! :) Is there anyone else on or is it just us? Those 7 members whos names are not shown!

[Celuien]

Oh good! At least I'm not falling alone now. I don't like heights and I'm scared of the dark in this accursed place!

Glirdy is always evil. Even when he's not. :p ;)

I wish I had butterfly wings right now to fly around in here... but I'll settle for grabbing the walls with my sticky frog finger tips... maybe that makes me a Gollum...

EDIT: crossed with the nickname discussion. Hi there!

[Loslote]

All well! :) Is there anyone else on or is it just us? Those 7 members whos names are not shown!

Unless they post, there's really no way to know. We can, however, do the Post Dance and try to get posts! :D *starts doing the Post Dance*

...what? :Merisu:

EDIT: Xed! Yay! My post dance worked!

...seriously, what?

[Blind Guardian]

Hello welcome! Please join us!

And you call him/her Xed?

[Celuien]

Ooh! Xed. I like. Henceforth, that shall be my nickname, and it shall be mine. :D

[Loslote]

Hello welcome! Please join us!

And you call him/her Xed?

Haha! No, no, that's just how you mark that you posted before you saw their post - a cross-post. She's Celuin (I don't know your nick, sorry).

EDIT: Oh, that's your nick! Okay. Me likie. :p

[The Elf-warrior]

In a sense, my name is a hoax. I am not an Elf, just a stout hobbit. Now you've got a rock solid case to lynch me without further talk or rational thought.:cool: Oh, all those people who haven't posted must be werewolves. Oh noes, we're all doomed! AGGGGGGGHHHHHH!

That previous paragraph demonstrates that I am a truly sinister individual. Are you too blind to see the way I explain away something truly sinister about myself? Also, note the way he then diverts attention from himself by making a joking accusation about all the people who haven't posted yet. What we need is a strong leader with manly chest hair. On second thought, we need four strong leaders. :rolleyes:

[Blind Guardian]

OK, Xed.

"Hello I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn, and I was on the Bridge of Khazadum when it fell. Dwarfs shall forever hate me" :D I got up from the computer and that came to me. OK anyways, should we guess who we think is the wolves, etc?

[Blind Guardian]

Hey, I'm a vegetarian. I can't be a wolf!

[Loslote]

OK anyways, should we guess who we think is the wolves, etc?

We almost don't even need to:

That previous paragraph demonstrates that I am a truly sinister individual.

for Elfie has already revealed! :eek:

++Elfie

(:p)

[Blind Guardian]

Then I was right, Elfie is evil! This is just a guess right? The mod has to make the wolves kill him/her if we are right, right?

[Loslote]

Then I was right, Elfie is evil! This is just a guess right? The mod has to make the wolves kill him/her if we are right, right?

Erm, I was joking. You have to either bold or highlight the vote to make it count (which is it this game?) and then we as a village kill the lucky (:rolleyes:) chosen one.

[Blind Guardian]

OK then Elfie!

This would be a pain if I was on my iPod still ;)

And the village means everyone signed up? So if there are only three online and the lucky person dies we have to wait for everyone?

[Loslote]

OK then Elfie!

This would be a pain if I was on my iPod still ;)

Was...that supposed to be a vote? If so, you have to put two pluses in front of it...and a word of advice: if you wait until closer to dl, you can get a better sense for who the wolves are.

EDIT: Oh, and no - people vote and the person who gets the most votes dies. The mod posts the narration, but in it, the village lynches the lynchee.

[Celuien]

Bah. I don't like the hairy kind of strong leaders, and mistrust leaders in general, even when not hairy and wolvish. Anarchy for the win!

I think I shall wait for more of the fallers to wake up before selecting suspects. So far, I've nothing to go on, but am greatly enjoying the nicknaming.

[Blind Guardian]

I'll wait...Isn't there a rules section for this?

[Loslote]

Bah. I don't like the hairy kind of strong leaders, and mistrust leaders in general, even when not hairy and wolvish. Anarchy for the win!

I think I shall wait for more of the fallers to wake up before selecting suspects. So far, I've nothing to go on, but am greatly enjoying the nicknaming.

Really? I think strong, hairy leaders are quite excellent. :Merisu:;)

[Blind Guardian]

Then I wouldn't be a good leader!

[Loslote]

I'll wait...Isn't there a rules section for this?

Not really - there was talk of writing a Helpful Newbie's Guide to Playing WW, but it never really happened. The best you can do is read through an old game, but that takes quite a bit of time. :)

[Blind Guardian]

I read through the end of the last game.


http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=11911
Read the beginning of that!

[Celuien]

Really? I think strong, hairy leaders are quite excellent.

As long as they take a bath... :o:Merisu:

[Celuien]

I think votes used to have to be bolded to make them easier to see and count, but I haven't been here for a very, very long time and don't know if that has become an official rule or not.

[Loslote]

I read through the end of the last game.

Excellent.

As long as they take a bath... :o:Merisu:

Oh, most definitely when they take baths. :Merisu:

[Loslote]

I think votes used to have to be bolded to make them easier to see and count, but I haven't been here for a very, very long time and don't know if that has become an official rule or not.

Well, nowadays people either bold or highlight their votes. Similar thinking with the highlighting, and it's mod's choice which one they use.

[Blind Guardian]

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=11911
Read the beginning of that! Now I get it a little better.

[Loslote]

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=11911
Read the beginning of that! Now I get it a little better.

Ah, very clever! I was thinking read through one of the more recen games, but that first game is much, much shorter. :)

[Blind Guardian]

That was the first one I saw.

[Celuien]

Ah. Ok then. Thanks!

[Blind Guardian]

So the werewolves/seer should be PMing each other to see who to kill, right? *crosses fingers* not me..

[Loslote]

Now, let's get on to more serious topics! Xed, BG, Elfie (if he's still around), I say you are all wolves. How do you plead? *looks all stern and stuff - why is there no good smilie for looking all stern and stuff? the angry one just isn't quite right*

[Loslote]

So the werewolves/seer should be PMing each other to see who to kill, right? *crosses fingers* not me..

No, the wolves can't pm during the Day, and the seer should have already gotten their dream(s). Speaking of which, the seer should probably use those extra dreams as soon as they can, if they haven't already. After all, early in the game we're shooting practically blind - we're going to need as much help as we can get. Later on we should have a better idea.

[Blind Guardian]

But it's not Day, it's only midnight

[Celuien]

I plead not guilty to the charge of being a wolf. For evidence, I submit my entry in the hitchhiker's guide - mostly harmless. Also, I love to eat garlic. Wait, that's for vampires...

However, all of our cotravelers who aren't at the party yet are definitely wolves.

[Loslote]

But it's not Day, it's only midnight

the Day is different from the day. The Day is when people are allowed to post on the thread. Night is when wolves are allowed to pm (and usually choose a kill) and gifteds are allowed to use their gifts. We switch between them at the deadline (in this case, two hours ago).

[Loslote]

I plead not guilty to the charge of being a wolf. For evidence, I submit my entry in the hitchhiker's guide - mostly harmless. Also, I love to eat garlic. Wait, that's for vampires...

However, all of our cotravelers who aren't at the party yet are definitely wolves.

Now this I have to agree with. They are clearly all being submarines. :eek:

And you get a free I've-never-played-with-you-before-so-I-shan't-vote-you-Day-1 pass anyway, so I may as well accept that for toDay. :p

[Blind Guardian]

But...but...Let me get this straight:

The times aren't from 5-12 12-5 (being now until 5 in the morning) OH at dawn 11PM est time!! So the werewolves are going to kill someone tonight/in the morning?

[Celuien]

But it's not Day, it's only midnight

Well, depending on timezone, yes (3 AM here, woohoo!). But Day with a D is the phase in the game when the village is up to talk, and not the actual RL daytime with a d. In this case, Day starts and ends whenever the 24h deadline passes in game - in this case, starting about 3h ago.

Edit: Crossed with all that up there since the post I replied to.

[Celuien]

Now this I have to agree with. They are clearly all being submarines. :eek:

And you get a free I've-never-played-with-you-before-so-I-shan't-vote-you-Day-1 pass anyway, so I may as well accept that for toDay. :p

Yellow submarines! :smokin:

I rather like that I've only played with about half of this group before... it keeps my old habits of preconceived assumptions from prior games mostly out of my reasoning, which is excellent.

[Loslote]

But...but...Let me get this straight:

The times aren't from 5-12 12-5 (being now until 5 in the morning) OH at dawn 11PM est time!! So the werewolves are going to kill someone tonight/in the morning?

Not exactly. Each Day and Night are 24 hours long, and end at 12am CST (aka, a little over two hours ago). They have no relation to normal days and nights. :)

[Blind Guardian]

So since its the Day, later we should be told who was killed, er, lynched. *might go to bed soon*

[Loslote]

Yellow submarines! :smokin*:

I rather like that I've only played with about half of this group before... it keeps my old habits of preconceived assumptions from prior games mostly out of my reasoning, which is excellent.

Ooh, now I have that song in my head - AND I've just lost the game! :mad::p

And me too - I haven't played with...um...five of this village! How excellent. :smokin:

EDIT: xed with BG - actually, no one dies on the first Night. I think that's so that no one is forced to not play at all, right?

[The Elf-warrior]

I plead not guilty. I was joking when I called myself sinister.

Edit: Cross posted with Loslote.

[Loslote]

I plead not guilty. I was joking when I called myself sinister.

Edit: Cross posted with Loslote.

And I was joking when I voted for you. We have a very silly village, don't we? :p

[Blind Guardian]

I'm pretty sure we can jump around with signs saying "I'm a Seer" and not really be seers!

[Celuien]

So since its the Day, later we should be told who was killed, er, lynched. *might go to bed soon*

So between now and the end of the Day, the village can be expected to go absolutely mad and vote someone to die a gruesome death for wolfishness. After that, the 24h Night phase starts, during which the wolvies may PM and the gifteds get to do their thing.

No one dies on the first night except the mod to give everyone a chance to play. :)

Edit: More cross posting!

[Blind Guardian]

OK, so I should go to bed and wait for tomorrow?

[The Elf-warrior]

Sure. Go ahead.

[Loslote]

I'm pretty sure we can jump around with signs saying "I'm a Seer" and not really be seers!

Yes, and that can be fun in its own way, but it is exceedingly vexing for the real seer, so it is generally frowned upon by.

OK, so I should go to bed and wait for tomorrow?

If you like. I plan to pretty soon myself... Just be sure to come back and vote tomorrow! :p

[Blind Guardian]

Of corpse i'll be here tomorrow! First thing! 10 in the morning! *falls asleep on stone* My backs going to hurt...ZzZ

[Loslote]

Of corpse i'll be here tomorrow! First thing! 10 in the morning! *falls asleep on stone* My backs going to hurt...ZzZ

Now THAT's a Freudian slip. :p

[Nerwen]

Hello, all. Just got in.

Hello welcome! Please join us!

And you call him/her Xed?

That's the best thing ever. Congratulations on your new nickname, Xed!

In a sense, my name is a hoax. I am not an Elf, just a stout hobbit. Now you've got a rock solid case to lynch me without further talk or rational thought.:cool: Oh, all those people who haven't posted must be werewolves. Oh noes, we're all doomed! AGGGGGGGHHHHHH!

That previous paragraph demonstrates that I am a truly sinister individual. Are you too blind to see the way I explain away something truly sinister about myself? Also, note the way he then diverts attention from himself by making a joking accusation about all the people who haven't posted yet. What we need is a strong leader with manly chest hair. On second thought, we need four strong leaders. :rolleyes:
You're not the cobbler, by any chance, Elfie?:smokin:

I'm pretty sure we can jump around with signs saying "I'm a Seer" and not really be seers!
People who make "false reveals" tend to wind up lynched, Blind Guardian.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally had a birthday, and thus must be evil.

By that logic everyone has to be evil, as everyone has a birthday.

Lottie's logic is majorly flawed. Confused innocent (again:p) or wolf? Meep!



Also....


WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[satansaloser2005]

Of corpse i'll be here tomorrow! First thing! 10 in the morning! *falls asleep on stone* My backs going to hurt...ZzZ

That is EPIC! :p


Okay, furry friends, I have to go to work in a bit. (What is this two pages already rubbish, by the way?!?!) I'll be on a couple times but not for terribly long so I'll see what I can do. Until my return, behave yourselves! ^_^

[Inziladun]

Hmm. Two pages so early is quite unusual, but I see it's mainly a lot of banter, and questions about the Rules. Still, it's talking, and that's not a bad thing.

I suppose I should check the Admin Thread to see if it says whether votes should be highlighted or not.

[Boromir88]

Is up, but on my day off I fully plan on going back to the whole sleeping in thing. I just wanted the all-powerful Mod know that indeed I am indeed alive.

*Looks at post count.* Nah, not going to attempt it when I'm feeling curmudgeonly. If someone would kindly post a summary of the activity that would be great. Actually, whoever does post a summary, I will not vote for today.

*Hates shaky, clammering thunderstorms. Returns to snuggling 'neath blankets and curling into a ball.* Wake me in 4 hours please. Whoever does, I won't vote for today either.

[Mirandir]

Is up, but on my day off I fully plan on going back to the whole sleeping in thing. I just wanted the all-powerful Mod know that indeed I am indeed alive.

*Looks at post count.* Nah, not going to attempt it when I'm feeling curmudgeonly. If someone would kindly post a summary of the activity that would be great. Actually, whoever does post a summary, I will not vote for today.


It's mostly Lottie and Blind bantering and hashing out the rules. Love you and your curmudgeonly-ness, by the way. I'm on the way to class, but just wanted to let y'all know I'm here. :D

[Nerwen]

Is up, but on my day off I fully plan on going back to the whole sleeping in thing. I just wanted the all-powerful Mod know that indeed I am indeed alive.

*Looks at post count.* Nah, not going to attempt it when I'm feeling curmudgeonly. If someone would kindly post a summary of the activity that would be great.

Well, that won't take long–

Summary.
Banter– Lottie accused everyone of being a wolf, then the Elf-Warrior accused himself, then Lottie voted him, only not really. Etc. Then Blind Guardian asked some questions about the rules, then said "of corpse" he'd be back. Which Lottie thinks is a Freudian slip.

Speaking of which–
*Hates shaky, clammering thunderstorms. Returns to snuggling 'neath blankets and curling into a ball.*
You mean... like some kind of canine animal?:p

EDIT:X'd with Mira; formatting.

[wilwarin538]

Mira, Boro, and Wilwa posted first second, and third, so one of them must be guilty. Oh, wait...:Merisu:


This confused me, cause I thought you were being serious for a second, haha. :rolleyes:


So, I'm crazy sick right now, and therefore totally out of it. I also have to work today, but will likely not last more then 3 hours and will come home to sleep. So I'll try to be productive later on in the Day, but I don't know how coherent I'll be.

[Inziladun]

So, I'm crazy sick right now, and therefore totally out of it. I also have to work today, but will likely not last more then 3 hours and will come home to sleep. So I'll try to be productive later on in the Day, but I don't know how coherent I'll be.

Hope you feel better. Your illness has apparently made you visible in the middle of a WW game! :p

[Nerwen]

So, I think it's time we started getting serious.

1 Seer - with 1 extra dream to be used at any time.
1 Ranger - with 1 extra protection to be used at any time, on anyone.
1 Hunter - with 1 extra hunt to be used for the duration of a day/night cycle (i.e. if they die then, they take two people with them, regardless of role)

1 Cobbler - at the start of the game they will be informed of the identity of one wolf (chosen randomly)

X number of wolves, depending on how many signups I get (likely to be 3, possibly 4) - with 1 extra nightkill, to be used at any time.

So– we have a super-cobbler. That's bad, very bad– especially as if he knows one wolf he might be able to work out the others.


EDIT:X'd with Zil.
Then, how do the Ranger's powers work? I know he gets an extra protection, but what about the normal variations– can he self-protect? Guard the same person twice?

[Nerwen]

Hope you feel better. Your illness has apparently made you visible in the middle of a WW game! :p

The complete opposite of my own terrible disease of Chronic Invisibility.

[Inziladun]

So– we have a super-cobbler. That's bad, very bad– especially as if he knows one wolf he might be able to work out the others.

Just another reason to get rid of whoever looks evil; none of that 'well, it's just the Cobbler so we'll just ignore them' stuff.

Then, how do the Ranger's powers work? I know he gets an extra protection, but what about the normal variations– can he self-protect? Guard the same person twice?

The Admin Thread says they can protect anyone with their extra protect, so I would take that to mean themselves too.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen
So– we have a super-cobbler. That's bad, very bad– especially as if he knows one wolf he might be able to work out the others.Just another reason to get rid of whoever looks evil; none of that 'well, it's just the Cobbler so we'll just ignore them' stuff.

Indeed. As I've said before, the argument that, since cobblers count as villagers in the tally, they should be allowed to live doesn't make a lot of sense anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerwen
Then, how do the Ranger's powers work? I know he gets an extra protection, but what about the normal variations– can he self-protect? Guard the same person twice?
The Admin Thread says they can protect anyone with their extra protect, so I would take that to mean themselves too.

I mean, how does the Ranger's normal power works, as opposed to the one-shot extra protection?

[Inziladun]

I mean, how does the Ranger's normal power works, as opposed to the one-shot extra protection?

I would think if the 'extra' protect can be used on xemself, so could the 'normal' protect, but I have no idea about whether xe could protect anyone twice in a row. Guess that's a question for our good mod to answer.

[Nienna]

*blinks*

That was a lot of extreme banter in the beginning. Right now it doesn't tell me anything useful except we have surprisingly chatty newbies. Hopefully with more information later it can become more useful.

On the topic of roles I think we are going to need divine Mod intervention. So there are 4 wolves and a super cobbler who we are up against. *shudders* Luckily our gifteds get an extra boost too.

I disagree with Lottie about the seer using their dream up quite this early... unless it seems likely they may get lynched... if they are being good and don't look like a night target then I think leaving maybe toDay and toMorrow and then using the extra dream after they have some suspects that would be more productive. Not that knowing two innocents wouldn't help us out but knowing two baddies would be wonderfully fabulous.

[Nerwen]

I would think if the 'extra' protect can be used on xemself, so could the 'normal' protect, but I have no idea about whether xe could protect anyone twice in a row. Guess that's a question for our good mod to answer.
Okay, I just wondered if I'd missed something.

*blinks*

That was a lot of extreme banter in the beginning. Right now it doesn't tell me anything useful except we have surprisingly chatty newbies. Hopefully with more information later it can become more useful. *
You know, I was thinking that some of the joke-accusations might actually mean something this time– a certain maker of footwear might try to signal to the known wolf that way (though at risk of being mistaken for the Seer and eaten anyhow).

[Isabellkya]

For Blind..

The game of Werewolf is an informed minority (baddies) vs. an uninformed majority (goodies). It means that the werewolves know whom they are and who each other are. By this, they know everyone else is a goodie - aka townie/town/village/villager/innocent. The villagers don't know the alignments of anyone, save for themselves - hence uninformed majority. The job of the Villagers is to find the werewolves, and lynch them - by voting for people whom they think are werewolves. The werewolves' job is to eliminate enough villagers to equal or outnumber the remaining players, and they win.

The village is only capable is 'killing' people by voting and lynching people.
The werewolves are able to kill a person at night - for current game, they are the only ones allowed to converse with each other during the Night phase. Which is most typical of every game, the ability for the wolves to converse amongst each other during the Night. During the Day is a quirk, and special feature chosen by the mod when they want it in their game.

The admin thread usually gives details about what roles you'll find in the game, voting rules, deadlines.. that sort of thing. We aren't supposed to post on the game thread during the Night phase. Communicating with other players outside of the thread is a nono - unless you have specific instructions saying you are able to. There are no vote retractions, so once you make your vote - thats it.

With this game, we have : A seer, Ranger, Hunter, Cobbler, and four wolves. That means if you don't have one of these roles - you are a plain villager aka ordinary/ordo. Seer, Ranger, and Hunter are all town aligned roles - which means they have special powers to aide the village in finding the wolves.

A seer is capable of dreaming for the wolves. They send the mod a name during the Night phase, and the mod replies back whether or not that person is a wolf.

Ranger protects people from being killed during the Night phase.

The Hunter, is kind of like a vigilante. They posess the ability to kill another player when/if they die. They send a name to the mod, and should the Hunter die - their chosen name goes with them.

Cobbler, is aligned with the town by technicality. However they are working for the good of the wolves. They are kind of like a spy. Typically they do not know the identities of the wolves, and the wolves don't know who the Cobbler is.

Ehm.. that is about all I can think of for that. Hope that helps. xD

Oh. When you vote for a player, typically we do [b] ++playername [/ b] or [highlight] ++playername [ /highlight]. Though without the spaces. Those are just with spaces in them. Yeah.

Something else. All of these special roles, they are used during the Night Phase. Sending player names to the mod, their results given, etcetera.

Also also. The game is separated into two 'phases' - Day and Night, both roughly lasting 24hours each. During Night is when the special roles use their powers, and the wolves discuss amongst each other who to kill. The Night phase ends with the death of a villager - which also begins the Day. Day phase is when we discuss who we think are werewolves and vote. The player with the most votes is lynched, which marks the end of the Day Phase.

People tend to capitalize Day/Night to signify they are talking about the game phase, and not real life day/night.

I hope people turn serious.. soon.

Oh good, people have turned serious. Post some thoughts in my next post, so it doesn't confuse.

[Isabellkya]

I agree that the Seer shouldn't necessarily use their extra dream so quickly, as it would essentially be a waste of it. I think it is not the norm that the seer goes so quickly, and holding onto it for a phase or so enables them to get a better perception of players, and they are able to better make their dream choices. If they want to use it early, that is entirely their decision. Who knows, people could be looking very suspicious early on, it has happened.

The Hunter and their extra kill, kind of worries me - as it isn't alignment specific, so they could essentially take out two innocents with them. The likelihood of taking out two wolves is less probable than two innocents, or one innocent and one wolf.

The Cobbler, there is no reason to keep them around. I think they should be treated more like a wolf than ever before - given that they already know the identity of one wolf. If not a full wolf, they are .5 of one.

To the idea that anyone could say they were the seer. Fake-claiming a role is typically something that the wolves do, to either save themself from a lynch and/or to try and get the real special role to out themself. Ordos fake claiming, is just a mess. It can happen, as a way to protect the real special role - though as the sentence right before says.. it is a mess.

[Boromir88]

I was about to tell Nerwen and Mira they would need to do a much better job at summarizing than that to get a no Day-1 vote from me, but those were actually quite accurate. Wow.

Funny how both of you do what I asked, but take two different attitudes towards me. Mira seizes the opportunity to do a "by the way" I love you. I'm obligated to ask, because this always seems to happen...trying to get me comfortable with you so my guard's down and it's easier to kill me? You know if I die next night and I find out you're behind it, I won't talk to you for a week, right? Glad we understand eachother now.

And Nerwen talks about canine freudian slips. Canines fear much more than thunderstorms. The canines of the variety we are lynching happen to fear vampires, I happen to like vampires. :p

[Nerwen]

Canines fear much more than thunderstorms. The canines of the variety we are lynching happen to fear vampires

They do?

[Boromir88]

They do?

Werewolves hating Vampires is about as old as the feud between Demons and Angels. It goes way back, long before the days of the talentless saga I will not utter here.

[Blind Guardian]

mY dog hates thunder, he'll hide under the table. @ my use of "corpse" that comes from Blind Guardians forum a long time ago

[Nerwen]

Werewolves hating Vampires is about as old as the feud between Demons and Angels. It goes way back, long before the days of the talentless saga I will not utter here.

...But we're in Middle-earth, remember?

EDIT: X'd with Blind Guardian.

[Blind Guardian]

And I don't think there are vampires in Middle-Earth

[Nerwen]

And I don't think there are vampires in Middle-Earth

There was Thuringwethil– but you see she hung out with werewolves.

[Blind Guardian]

So the vampires and werewolves, in Middle-Earth, where all cool with each other.

Back on topic!

[Boromir88]

There was Thuringwethil– but you see she hung out with werewolves.

Yes, but I assume that feuds that run as deep as werewolves and vampires are cross-dimensions, time, and mythologies. And Gandalf was the sleeze of Middle-earth, he hung out with everyone, but doesn't mean everyone liked him. He was just that annoying and pushy. You either had to stroke his ego or ignore him.

Anywhowhathavesya, I can't promise my flippant I'm bored-dedness is over, but my intentional off-topic diversionary tactics are (I know, I know, never end a sentence with a preposition...sue me grammar gustapo.)

Let's see...

Blind seems very spunky for a new one. I like it. It probably makes me a terrible person to admit it, but most newbies I ignore because they are oh-so-tentative and quiet. Not going to ignore this one, and he's (she's?) working to be noticed. Nice, annoy everyone, and you'll get along fine.

Celuien's back! Woooo! And Tom Petty reference means you've earned my good favor today. You know the way to my heart, but Don't Do Me Like That.

Nienna's straight to business post is a good sign of her being innocent. Even though it was a response to Lottie, don't like the somewhat random seer-advisory message.

Lottie I have absolutely no clue, that's a massive amount of posts even by her standards. If you want to do your usual get yourself in trouble confusion, looks like you've already got your shovel out. I'm not taking the bullet for you this time, the way I see it...you owe me one.

wilwa is obviously sick because she's still trying to adjust to eating raw meat off the bone at night. :D

[Mirandir]

Funny how both of you do what I asked, but take two different attitudes towards me. Mira seizes the opportunity to do a "by the way" I love you. I'm obligated to ask, because this always seems to happen...trying to get me comfortable with you so my guard's down and it's easier to kill me? You know if I die next night and I find out you're behind it, I won't talk to you for a week, right? Glad we understand eachother now.


Haha yes, dear. In the ridiculously unlikely event that that happens you can totally not talk to me for a week. Give me the "Nienna treatment" if you will. :D :p

Going to the gym then I'll legitimately be around for the rest of the Day. ...I think.

[autume98]

Well I am here, but I am going to be gone for the day. I'm not going to have time to go through the posts and decide who to vote for. I'm also not going to be around for the DL. With that said, I'm not going to just put a blind vote out there and vote for somebody without having any reason to vote for somebody. :cool:

I'll post the reason in the Admin thread.

[Blind Guardian]

I'm female. And I'm going to be gone for an hour or two.

[Inziladun]

I disagree with Lottie about the seer using their dream up quite this early... unless it seems likely they may get lynched... if they are being good and don't look like a night target then I think leaving maybe toDay and toMorrow and then using the extra dream after they have some suspects that would be more productive. Not that knowing two innocents wouldn't help us out but knowing two baddies would be wonderfully fabulous.

If the Seer's about to get lynched, they can't very well decide to use their double-dream then.
The odds of getting two wolves, even in four Nights, are low, and the Seer must keep in mind that Seers have been killed randomly on Night 2 before, having given no signs of their gift. It's a crap-shoot really, but it would be a shame if xe was Night-killed without having had a chance to use the special.

Nienna's straight to business post is a good sign of her being innocent. Even though it was a response to Lottie, don't like the somewhat random seer-advisory message.

These two statements appear to contradict one another.

x/d with BG

[Inziladun]

And Guardian, you need to be in Invisible Mode while you're an active player.

[Boromir88]

Haha yes, dear. In the ridiculously unlikely event that that happens you can totally not talk to me for a week. Give me the "Nienna treatment" if you will.

Excellent, because this means if I die, you either wouldn't be involved in anyway as you wouldn't want the "Nienna treatment" from me, or you would be involved and that means you don't give a darn. :p I've got all I need to know, I think I can safely assume the former with you. :D (P.S. I do include cobblery, however. If we are going with the cobbler = .5 wolf conversion...if you're the cobbler I won't talk to you for 3.5 days. Does this change anything?)


These two statements appear to contradict one another.


Maybe to you, but to me it says I'm telling Nienna I like her usual business-like approach, but not the content.

[Mirandir]

Excellent, because this means if I die, you either wouldn't be involved in anyway as you wouldn't want the "Nienna treatment" from me, or you would be involved and that means you don't give a darn. :p I've got all I need to know, I think I can safely assume the former with you. (P.S. I do include cobblery, however. If we are going with the cobbler = .5 wolf conversion...if you're the cobbler I won't talk to you for 3.5 days. Does this change anything?)

Nope. :p

So, onto more actual contributions. :rolleyes:

If I were Fea, I would vote Lottie for posting a video.

The only person rubbing me the wrong way so far is Blind, but my tolerance for newbies is notoriously low. Wouldn't rule out playing dumb because her fellow wolves suggested it, though.

Oh, and Nienna seems wolfish from that one post she's made so far. But that suspicion could totally be founded on the fact that she's been directly responsible for my death in three of the last games I've played. Not that I'm at all bitter or anything...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I saw that there were some questions asked of me and my mod-ness, so let me clarify a few things that I forgot to put in the admin thread. :p

1. Please [highlight] your votes. Okay? Thanks. :)

2. Regarding the Ranger's extra protection and the wolves' extra kill - The Ranger's standard, normal kill can be used like a normal Ranger protect - i.e. they can't protect the same person twice in a row, they can protect themselves once during the game, etc. Now, the extra protection has no such liability - it can be used at any time, on any one. I.E. the ranger could protect Person X Night 1, use their extra protection on them Night 2, and protect them again Night 3. Also it is possible for the Ranger to use their extra protection on the same person they're already protecting. Mainly that would only be used if the Wolves used their extra kill on the person they were already attacking - the formula is one protect = one kill, so if the Ranger protected someone once and the wolves attacked them twice in a night the person would still die. Also, if the Wolves use their kill on the same person they're already attacking and that person dies from the first attack, the second kill is not wasted.

I hope this helps, guys. :)

[Nienna]

Hmmmmm interesting stuff from the Mod. Just some things I'm thinking about: we need to be extra sure to concentrate on catching wolves... if they don't use their double kill early and they wait until later in the game then we can loose the game much earlier especially with four wolves.

Obviously since I'm being suspected on Day One I'm an innocent. It always seems to happen that way. :rolleyes:

Anyway... even though Boro and Mira both seem to suspect me (*shakes head at her children*) they seem innocent enough to me at the moment. I don't really have any suspects. Zil seems normal. There are still a bunch of people who need to contribute at all or contribute more. I should be around until deadline though it is a touch late for me.

[Boromir88]

I'm going to have to vote within the next hour, so who I've decided not to vote for...

Mira, rather easy and obvious decision really. She actually might get a 2-day no vote from me.

Nerwen, for the brief summary, and jumping through my hoops.

Blind Guardian, feel quite good about her participation.

sally because I missed her birthday and I need to pay pennance.

Everyone else is fair game.

[Glirdan]

Okay, so, I'm here...but I'm not...Really busy night and the DL happens to be at a decent time...but not on weekends :rolleyes:

In short,

I'm voting now as I will not be around for the rest of the Day....like, at all...If I'm here for Day 2, I'll be able to post a little more, but the DL happens to fall in the middle of my sleeping and then school and rehearsals...in other words, don't expect much from me.

As for my vote, it is purely out of spite! :p

++Lottie

Happy hunting!

[Boromir88]

Must be going, best thing I can come up with...call it a bandwagon, it is or what have you.

++Lottie

For making me think Rikae was in the game and I was going to post something like "Rikae not eerily arriving and saying something terrifyingly creepy yet is worrying me." But then checking the list of players and seeing Rikae isn't even here. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

*blinks*

Isn't it a bit early for a bandwagon, sweetie pie?

[Mirandir]

Ahhh totally forgot Glirdy was playing! (Not that I'm considering pulling a typical Mira "Psh I don't know who to vote for oh hey there's Glirdy" or anything like that...) :p

[Isabellkya]

He did admit he was bandwagoning. Not entirely sure it makes it any better.

[Morsul the Dark]

Wow.... SOOOOO confused...

what are the rules regarding not voting? because I don't plan on voting today because absolutely nothing makes sense for me.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Wow.... SOOOOO confused...

what are the rules regarding not voting? because I don't plan on voting today because absolutely nothing makes sense for me.

Don't vote twice, get modkilled.

[Loslote]

Smilies removed.

By that logic everyone has to be evil, as everyone has a birthday.

Lottie's logic is majorly flawed. Confused innocent (again) or wolf? Meep!



Also....


WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Lottie's logic is always majorly flawed, dear. And I was totally going to say "wheeee" but forgot. :p

I agree that the Seer shouldn't necessarily use their extra dream so quickly, as it would essentially be a waste of it. I think it is not the norm that the seer goes so quickly, and holding onto it for a phase or so enables them to get a better perception of players, and they are able to better make their dream choices. If they want to use it early, that is entirely their decision. Who knows, people could be looking very suspicious early on, it has happened.

Yeah, but who's to say they'll get that dream? And as Nienna said, we need to kill wolves fast. If we get one wolf, the others die easier. It's simple: We need the seer's dreams to kill wolves quick, the seer can have multiple dreams, thus the seer does dream multiply.

Lottie I have absolutely no clue, that's a massive amount of posts even by her standards. If you want to do your usual get yourself in trouble confusion, looks like you've already got your shovel out. I'm not taking the bullet for you this time, the way I see it...you owe me one.

Is the reason you're avoiding the bullet because it's silver? ;)

If I were Fea, I would vote Lottie for posting a video.

If you were Fea, you'd vote Lottie just because. ;)

As for my vote, it is purely out of spite!

[*highlight]++Lottie[/highlight]

Happy hunting!

Must be going, best thing I can come up with...call it a bandwagon, it is or what have you.

[*HIGHLIGHT]++Lottie[/HIGHLIGHT]

For making me think Rikae was in the game and I was going to post something like "Rikae not eerily arriving and saying something terrifyingly creepy yet is worrying me." But then checking the list of players and seeing Rikae isn't even here.

Love you guys, too. And the Rikae think made me laugh so hard...

[Nienna]

Mmmk children... there has been very little of substance toDay and I have no idea who to vote for. So far we have 2 votes for Lottie that seem very unsubstantiated even for Day Ones. Lets get moving.

Where is everyone. We need a Fea to do something outwardly daring just to get us to talk.

[Celuien]

Mmmk children... there has been very little of substance toDay and I have no idea who to vote for. So far we have 2 votes for Lottie that seem very unsubstantiated even for Day Ones. Lets get moving.

Where is everyone. We need a Fea to do something outwardly daring just to get us to talk.

Day one lack of substance and early bandwagons. These are a few of my favorite things... not. :Merisu:

Goes catching up on the last page...

[Loslote]

Mmmk children... there has been very little of substance toDay and I have no idea who to vote for. So far we have 2 votes for Lottie that seem very unsubstantiated even for Day Ones. Lets get moving.

Where is everyone. We need a Fea to do something outwardly daring just to get us to talk.

Meh. I tried to come up with something daring, but came up blank. SO here's a suspicion list. Whoop. :rolleyes:

Suspicious:
Sadly, no one.

Innocent:
Lottie (awesome, too)

Mildly Suspicious:
Boro (being too flippant)
Glirdy (same)
Morsul (come on, you have to vote even if you're confused! It's only three pages, anyway...)
Nienna (raises flags, but I can't say why)

Mostly Innocent:
Mira (seems quite normal)
Wilwa (is ill, poor dear)
BeiGe (is making quite an effort)
Sally (looks like normal Sally)
Zil (makes sense and seems innocent)
Nerwen (same)
Xed (love the nick plus seems innocent)

No Read:
Noia (hasn't posted yet)
Tum (is away and hasn't really posted)
Izzy (I simply have no idea)
Elfie (same)
Cabbie (if he's even posted yet, I don't remember it)

~~~

My vote will almost certainly come from that Mildly Suspicious category.

EDIT: Xed with Xed - :p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Mmmk children... there has been very little of substance toDay and I have no idea who to vote for. So far we have 2 votes for Lottie that seem very unsubstantiated even for Day Ones. Lets get moving.

Where is everyone. We need a Fea to do something outwardly daring just to get us to talk.

I could arbitrarily let my RNG kill someone off. That'd be daring. :)

[Celuien]

Celuien's back! Woooo! And Tom Petty reference means you've earned my good favor today. You know the way to my heart, but Don't Do Me Like That.

:smokin: Yay, Tom Petty!

I have a mild problem... no one is appearing suspicious to me so far. The only thing that is bothering me is the rule talk above, which I find a little bit distracting... but that is probably just perfectly legitimate clarification for the new entry into WW... and the most I could possibly make out of it is a pair of shoes if I wanted to find it suspicious.

Arbitrary kill off, Shasta?? :eek:

[Nienna]

I could arbitrarily let my RNG kill someone off. That'd be daring. :)

Hahahah you could but I don't know how much that would tell us.

[Loslote]

Okay, I'm probably going to vote Morsul. Morsul for his desicion not to vote, which tells us nothing and is a very easy escape route for a wolf.

Nienna I have no real reasons for, and Boro and Glirdy are both probably just being themselves. :rolleyes:

So...

++Morsul

And I might or might not be back, depending.

[Isabellkya]

Loslote. How is knowing the Seer's Dreams going to enable us to 'kill wolves quick'? You are essentially asking the Seer to both use their extra dream quickly, and to reveal quickly. Since revealing would be the only way we could find out those dreams. The probability of hitting a wolf is pretty slim, so odds are that the Seer will hit innocents. Okay, so if the Seer revealed toMorrow and used their extra dream. That would be three people. Three innocents out of.. 17 players? I say three innocents because probability of hitting one is much higher than hitting a wolf. How exactly is that going to get the village to 'kill wolves quick'?

[Nienna]

So I'm tired and I want to go to bed. I'm going to vote now. The people who are making an effort haven't really seemed to be suspicious to me so I'm going to go for the dead weight approach. I hate voting newbies but Paranoia hasn't posted at all and is being a dead weight. I'm more comfortable voting her than anyone else who's participated.

++Paranoia

[Celuien]

Regarding the special extra powers, I think it makes sense to hold on to that for later. Having an extra dream at the end of some past games would have made all the difference then...

I won't vote for anyone who hasn't been here. Of those who have, the only one I can't get anything on at all is Elfie. And so...

++Elfie

[Mirandir]

++Nienna

I really don't like it when people vote newbies Day 1. Especially when there are plenty of veteran players who haven't contributed just as much.

[Nerwen]

Back and reading.

[Paranoia]

Uh, hi folks.

Issabell - As per usual, she will be herself; but I'm kind of disconcerted by her lack of analyzing every little thing, or at least people and their actions. Somehow this just feels off from how I know her. Keeping my eye on her.


This Lottie Person of Which you All Speak - Posts seem really fluff centric; even beyond the usual page one or two stuff; really unnerves me. Maybe I'm just new here and this happens a lot but idk. If I had to guess, out of the fluffer wuffers I'd vote her. Another issue I have with her is she seems to be subtly trying to get dreamed; Makes me think of her as an early likely candidate to be the cobbler. But that's mean and I've been wrong about this **** before. Edit without really editing: What in the hell? I see a lot of posting from you, but it's almost all game mechanics. IT's like you're trying to look helpful without being helpful; I understand giving newbies the ropes but I'd prefer giving them the ropes while providing examples of scumhunting and picking apart posts. You claim we are blind when we are not. There's always something to pick apart and anyone who claims we are shooting blind day one or two is taking the lazy way out when we don't have time for the lazy way o' doing things.

Nienna - I don't like the entire "I'm being suspected day one so of course I'm innocent." comment, but other than that was all business. Still feel uneasy about her, but I'm unlikely to vote her at the moment. Him. It. Edit without editing a thing: Nice vote on someone who hasn't had the time to post yet; classy. What makes me dead weight any more than someone else who hasn't contributed much? Are you protecting someone who's silent?

Blind Guardian and Borimir - Borimir, what exactly do you feel good about with BG's contributions? I really haven't seen much that contributes to the game, despite her post about "getting back on topic" which she promptly didn't do; there have been some game posts since then and she hadn't posted a thing about them. I'm not sure if you're covering for her or not, but you two definitely seem linked together.

My five picks at the moment, meaning I'm voting from this pool.

Out of everyone here, I feel the best voting either Lottie or BG; both don't seem to be putting forth anything of import or bringing much to the thread but a distraction; I don't like distractions. I prefer distractions are dead, in fact, and Lottie really hasn't brought much to the town that I can see.

I really don't like Nienna's entire position on me, but omgus sucks, so I'll just fos her/him/it in return. :P So my vote is going to...

++Lottie

[Nerwen]

Um. Three votes on Lottie now, and all of them out of thin air?:eek:

*shakes head*

Then there's Nienna's vote on Paranoia. I mean, what the–? Since when do we vote n00bs on Day One?

Then, Paranoia's whole long post is just weird. Um... who are you, mate?:confused:

Finally, I think the relationship between Paranoia and Nienna is kind of interesting. She votes him/her for no reason, and he/she says I really don't like Nienna's entire position on me, but omgus sucks, so I'll just fos her/him/it in return.:p
And then votes Lottie for... I'm not sure why, actually.

[Paranoia]

Um. Three votes on Lottie now, and all of them out of thin air?:eek:

*shakes head*

Then there's Nienna's vote on Paranoia. I mean, what the–? Since when do we vote n00bs on Day One?

Then, Paranoia's whole long post is just weird. Um... who are you, mate?:confused:

Finally, I think the relationship between Paranoia and Nienna is kind of interesting. She votes him/her for no reason, and he/she says
And then votes Lottie for... I'm not sure why, actually.

It's not that odd; I consider Nienna to have been almost all business. I respect that, but I don't like her/his position on me simply because it feels like a copout based on what's already been said in the thread. It's essentially a safe, throw away vote. It's the sort of vote you cast when you already know where a lynch is headed.

I explained in that big long nightmare full of editing and spelling errors who I considered suspicious at the moment and why. Although I have reasons, I can understand your apprehension, because I see absolutely no reason from the other Lottie voters; it's either random voting or idk. I'm probably going to take my vote off of them since they've started getting down to business, but I still consider them suspicious.

++Unvote

So who will I vote instead?

++Boromir. His refusal to vote BG based on BG just feeling alright to him rubs me the wrong way; I could see it as him protecting her as his/her packmate and I can see it as him trying to get easy townie points with a newbie player.


Also Hi, I'm Paranoia aka Adrasteia. I played in the spies series (once. -_-) and MMG0. I'm used to mafia; but werewolf is basically the same game. That's why I'm here; to play the game. And other stuff I guess.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Glirdan - Lottie (Lottie1)
Boro - Lottie (Lottie2)
Lottie - Morsul (Lottie2, Morsul1)
Nienna - Paranoia (Lottie2, Morsul1, Paranoia1)
Celuien - Elfie (Lottie2, Morsul1, Paranoia1, Elfie1)
Mirandir - Nienna (Lottie2, Morsul1, Paranoia1, Elfie1)
Paranoia - Lottie (Lottie3, Morsul1, Paranoia1, Elfie1)

TEN PEOPLE LEFT TO VOTE. THAT'S MORE THAN HALF. SHASTA'S NOT HAPPY.

Have not voted:
Wilwa
Morsul
Inzil
Blind
Sally
Cabbie
Nerwen
Izzy
Tum
Elfie

Currently Lottie would be executed. Deadline in 27 minutes.


*facepalm* This is my fault for forgetting Paranoia is new to the forum, but you can't unvote. Once you vote, your vote's locked for the day unless there's a specific rule that grants unvoting abilities. :(

[Paranoia]

It's not that odd; I consider Nienna to have been almost all business. I respect that, but I don't like her/his position on me simply because it feels like a copout based on what's already been said in the thread. It's essentially a safe, throw away vote. It's the sort of vote you cast when you already know where a lynch is headed.

And this is with what Nienna themself saying this.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin
I could arbitrarily let my RNG kill someone off. That'd be daring.
Hahahah you could but I don't know how much that would tell us.

So how would voting for someone who has yet to talk tell us **** all about what's going on? If I could switch my vote (Which the Mod just informed me you can't hurrrr.) I think I would omgus Nienna now and switch my vote to them, simply because part of what they have had to say has been self contradictory.

[The Elf-warrior]

Paranoia, maybe I'm just being blind, but I'm inclined to think Blind Guardian's mistakes are so mistakey that it makes her unlikely to be a wolf. I think it's more likely she's a cobbler. I'm inclined to believe she's an innocent.

However, I'm getting some faint suspicious vibes from Boromir. In my werewolfing experience, it is common for wolves to bind themselves with an innocent so that if the innocent dies, the wolf is given a patina of innocence and vice a versa if the wolf dies. This could be the nature of a possible connection between Blind Guardian and Boromir, she's innocent, he's hairy.

I have gotten practically no suspicious vibes from Lottie. Morsul's intention not to vote seems out of character to me. I could be wrong. I've only played with him once before. I'm inclinedto think Paranoia is innocent because he's thinking in line with me on Boromir.

I'm not really feeling suspicious of Nienna. I don't blame Xed for voting for me. I haven't been helpful.

++Morsul

[Isabellkya]

Here, I'm pretty much a submarine bro. But.. hello to you too, Paranoi. xD

Just FYI for people who haven't played mafia. OMGUS = Oh my gawd, you suck. It basically means that you are voting for someone, because they voted for you. FoS = finger of Suspicion.

Nienna is a she. Paranoia is a he.

It kind of looks like Loslote is going to be a First Day lynch ritual? o.O


X'd with EW

[Nerwen]

Anyone around? I'm not particularly happy with the Lottie-wagon... only I don't know who else to vote for. (Nienna for voting a n00b on Day One? Boro for vote on Lottie, plus his highly suspicious talk of "curling up in a ball"?)

EDIT:X'd since Paranoia.

[Loslote]

Dang it guys! Again? I attract votes like honey attracts flies, seriously!

Also, Noia, dear, you need to be invisible. User CP -> Options -> Invisible Mode. :)

EDIT: xed with Izzy and Nerwen

EDITEDIT: Oh, and Elfie. Hi!

[Boromir88]

If votes don't start coming in, I'm going to be PO'ed to no end...To be unable to vote due to certain unforseen circumstances is one thing, the conscious decision to refuse to vote is ridiculous and weak.

Paranoia, the feelings are mutual.

[Loslote]

It kind of looks like Loslote is going to be a First Day lynch ritual? o.O

It usually is...

Anyone around? I'm not particularly happy with the Lottie-wagon... only I don't know who else to vote for. (Nienna for voting a n00b on Day One? Boro for vote on Lottie, plus his highly suspicious talk of "curling up in a ball"?)

I'd say either is much better, but I can't retract, so you're mosly on your own (unless Izzy wants to vote her, too). :rolleyes:

EDIT: xed with Boro himself

[Inziladun]

Gah! Had to work late, which took me away from the office, and thought I'd just check out a laptop so I could WW. Turned out the computer power supply is apparently kaput, so this is the first chance I've had to get on in about 6 hours.
Long story short, I hate voting and having to be in such a rush.

I don't quite see where the Lottie-wagon came from, and I don't want to vote for her at the moment.

I don't like this:

Mmmk children... there has been very little of substance toDay and I have no idea who to vote for. So far we have 2 votes for Lottie that seem very unsubstantiated even for Day Ones. Lets get moving.

Castigates others for insubstantial votes, then herself votes someone who hadn't even posted yet.

++Nienna

Best I can do on such a time crunch.

[Nerwen]

Okay... ++Nienna.

What I said.

Boro feels more wolfy, though.

EDIT: formatting; added comment.

[Loslote]

Okay... ++Nienna.

What I said.

Nerwen. Highlight.

[Isabellkya]

I am debating between Nienna and Boro. I dislike both of their votes.

X'd with Loslote and Nerwen

[Blind Guardian]

Uh, hi folks.

Issabell - As per usual, she will be herself; but I'm kind of disconcerted by her lack of analyzing every little thing, or at least people and their actions. Somehow this just feels off from how I know her. Keeping my eye on her.


This Lottie Person of Which you All Speak - Posts seem really fluff centric; even beyond the usual page one or two stuff; really unnerves me. Maybe I'm just new here and this happens a lot but idk. If I had to guess, out of the fluffer wuffers I'd vote her. Another issue I have with her is she seems to be subtly trying to get dreamed; Makes me think of her as an early likely candidate to be the cobbler. But that's mean and I've been wrong about this **** before. Edit without really editing: What in the hell? I see a lot of posting from you, but it's almost all game mechanics. IT's like you're trying to look helpful without being helpful; I understand giving newbies the ropes but I'd prefer giving them the ropes while providing examples of scumhunting and picking apart posts. You claim we are blind when we are not. There's always something to pick apart and anyone who claims we are shooting blind day one or two is taking the lazy way out when we don't have time for the lazy way o' doing things.

Nienna - I don't like the entire "I'm being suspected day one so of course I'm innocent." comment, but other than that was all business. Still feel uneasy about her, but I'm unlikely to vote her at the moment. Him. It. Edit without editing a thing: Nice vote on someone who hasn't had the time to post yet; classy. What makes me dead weight any more than someone else who hasn't contributed much? Are you protecting someone who's silent?

Blind Guardian and Borimir - Borimir, what exactly do you feel good about with BG's contributions? I really haven't seen much that contributes to the game, despite her post about "getting back on topic" which she promptly didn't do; there have been some game posts since then and she hadn't posted a thing about them. I'm not sure if you're covering for her or not, but you two definitely seem linked together.

My five picks at the moment, meaning I'm voting from this pool.

Out of everyone here, I feel the best voting either Lottie or BG; both don't seem to be putting forth anything of import or bringing much to the thread but a distraction; I don't like distractions. I prefer distractions are dead, in fact, and Lottie really hasn't brought much to the town that I can see.

I really don't like Nienna's entire position on me, but omgus sucks, so I'll just fos her/him/it in return. :P So my vote is going to...

[ highlight]++Lottie[/highlight]


Hey, lady I've been gone all day! I have a life you know! And it's not my fault I wasn't on topic. I would have posted all of that in the admin topic if I knew that we had changed topics in the first place! Rude!

[Isabellkya]

++Boro

I dislike his vote more than I do nienna's.

X'd with Blind

[Shastanis Althreduin]

DEADLINE (actually two minutes ago).

[Blind Guardian]

++Nienna Uh, wheres the red?

[Nerwen]

++Nienna Uh, wheres the red?

You have to put tags (any) around your vote and then substitute "HIGHLIGHT" for "CODE" or whatever. Anyway, your vote missed the DL, so it doesn't matter.

[Blind Guardian]

Damn, I didn't even realize 'cause it only says it 10:08 here which is annoying. ANYWAYS, who gets lynched?

[Nerwen]

Damn, I didn't even realize 'cause it only says it 10:08 here which is annoying. ANYWAYS, who gets lynched?

Nienna, I think.

[Blind Guardian]

Lottie or Nienna, I think

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Glirdan - Lottie (Lottie1)
Boro - Lottie (Lottie2)
Lottie - Morsul (Lottie2, Morsul1)
Nienna - Paranoia (Lottie2, Morsul1, Paranoia1)
Celuien - Elfie (Lottie2, Morsul1, Paranoia1, Elfie1)
Mirandir - Nienna (Lottie2, Morsul1, Paranoia1, Elfie1, Nienna1)
Paranoia - Lottie (Lottie3, Morsul1, Paranoia1, Elfie1, Nienna1)
Elfie - Morsul (Lottie3, Morsul2, Paranoia1, Elfie1, Nienna1)
Inzil - Nienna (Lottie3, Morsul2, Paranoia1, Elfie1, Nienna2)
Nerwen - Nienna (Lottie3, Morsul2, Paranoia1, Elfie1, Nienna3)
Izzy - Boro (Lottie3, Morsul2, Paranoia1, Elfie1, Nienna3, Boro1)

Did not vote and possibly modkilled tomorrow (exception goes to Autume):
Wilwa
Morsul
Cabbie
Sally
Blind

Day 1

As they fell into depthless Moria, the wind of their passage still blowing back their hair and clothing (the novelty of continuous freefall had pretty much worn off by now), the discussion turned to wolves and how to kill them.

"Even a werewolf couldn't withstand a really good blow to the skull, right?" Nienna wondered out loud. Meanwhile, after a flurry of votes, the rest of the freefallers had decided to get rid of her on suspicion of wolvery.

"Why don't we find out?" Lottie asked, reaching over from where she was falling and giving Nienna just enough of a push to alter Nienna's trajectory into a falling Celuien, who promptly bounced her over to Glirdan, who gave her a push with his foot into Paranoia, who shoved her into the side of the cavernous cavern.

There was a sickening crack as Nienna's head came in contact with a jutting overhang. Her body continued to fall along with the rest of them, but there was no change.

"Someone shove her over with Shasta, I can't reach her from here," Nerwen said, flailing her arms a bit.

Alive:
Mira
Boro
Wilwa
Morsul
Inzil
Blind
Sally
Cabbie
Lottie
Elfie
Nerwen
Izzy
Glirdan
Tum
Celuien
Paranoia

Dead:
Shasta - Head Pulverized Night 1 (Mod)
Nienna - Ping Pong'd Day 1 (Ordo)

Wolves and gifted, do your thing. Ordos, go to sleep.

[Nerwen]

Lottie or Nienna, I think

I believe it's the last one to reach the total that gets it this game, so that would make it Nienna– unless Lottie got another vote I didn't notice.

Anyway, we're not supposed to talk now. Hush.

EDIT:X'd with Shasta.

[Blind Guardian]

I'm on. Let's start this again!

[Inziladun]

It's still Night with no posting here til the mod says otherwise.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm on. Let's start this again!

Dear, it's still Night phase for about 45 more minutes. Wait until Shasta posts the narration and tells us we can talk, then have at it! :)

(Also, sorry I wasn't on yesterDay. I'll explain come Daylight.)



ETA: x'd with Dun. :p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

WHY ARE PEOPLE TALKING? FOOLISHNESS.

*modly hand of wrath*

I ENFORCE BEDTIME.

Now then.

Night 2

Amazed that people could sleep while falling at speeds in excess of 5 m/s, the four wolves navigated their way into a pack.

"Who are we killing?" was the main topic of discussion, even though the wolves had to compete with the rushing wind of their passage, using raised voices.

Eventually they decided, and pushed off random things (and sleeping bodies) to end up falling roughly in a circle around Isabellkya. That's when she opened her eyes.

"I knew you were a wolf!" she said excitedly, staring at one of the wolves in particular (who began to be uncomfortable).

"You're the whole reason I jumped down this forsaken hole in the first place!" Izzy gushed happily, while the other three wolves looked on bewilderedly. "I was hoping you could change me, you know, so I could be like you guys!"

"Well..." the wolf said hesitantly, "I... don't actually see a problem with that. Okay!"

"Great!" Izzy rejoiced.

Distracted by the thought of a new member, the four wolves decided to help train their new protege in the art of falling evasion, boosting her agility, that sort of thing. To that end they practiced dogging outcroppings during their fall, edging just close enough to them to whistle by them unharmed, pushing off the walls to dodge at the last second.

...Unfortunately, Izzy's night vision wasn't nearly as developed as that of the wolves, and during a particularly daring dodge-and-leap, she misjudged the distance between herself and the wall, and wasn't able to get enough leverage to push off, leading to a resounding...

SPLAT.

The mournful howls of the wolves echoed along the cavern as they lost their new friend. Poor wolves.

Alive:
Mira
Boro
Wilwa
Morsul
Inzil
Blind
Sally
Cabbie
Lottie
Elfie
Nerwen
Glirdan
Tum
Celuien
Paranoia

Dead:
Shasta - Head Pulveriz'd Night 1 (Mod)
Nienna - Ping Pong'd Day 1 (Ordo)
Izzy - Night-Blind'd Night 2 (Cobbler)

NOW you can talk. Wolves can PM for another six minutes if they so choose.

[satansaloser2005]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's amazing!

Boro has to be a wolf. Only his luck could be this bad. :p

(Yes, yes, I am kidding.)


I'm actually off to bed, but wanted to splain why I wasn't around yesterDay as planned. Basically....erm, I was busy with some friends (Sir Phantom included) and just forgot to grab my trusty Abigail and make some posts. Sorry. :(

[Mirandir]

Izzy analysis coming atcha.

[Blind Guardian]

Bye-bye Izzy, it was nice to know you. Why do you think Boro's a wolf?

EDIT: Xed with Loslote

[Loslote]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's amazing!

Boro has to be a wolf. Only his luck could be this bad. :p

(Yes, yes, I am kidding.)

1. Agreed. :p

2. You may be kidding, but I'm not. I really do think Boro is a wolfie (and not because of luck). He voted for me, and even admited it was a bandwagoning move. Since when does Boro bandwagon early? He sure seemed entirely adverse to the idea last game, when he was innocent. :rolleyes: I'm off to analyze him...

[Nerwen]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's amazing!

Boro has to be a wolf. Only his luck could be this bad. :p

That would actually be hilarious.:D

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

[Blind Guardian]

I don't think that Boro's a wolf, of course what am I to know?

[satansaloser2005]

That would actually be hilarious.:D

EDIT:X'd since Sally.

I know, right?

(For those of you who've missed the joke, I was once a cobbler for a pack Boro was in, and I met the same fate as Izzy. Hehe. Makes me giggle.)


Also, a note. I'd really, REALLY appreciate it if people could refrain from the foul language, please. This is a family forum and things are supposed to be accessible to and appropriate for children. If the Downs edits it out, you shouldn't be using it, and just because it doesn't doesn't mean you should be. Thanks.

*gets off soapbox, goes to bed* Oh, and let's all play nice, eh? It's a game!


EDIT: x'd with BG

[Mirandir]

#84 Explains the rules of Werewolf in their entirety.

#85 Wants Seer to hold onto extra dream, worried about Hunter and extra kill, dismisses Cobbler, talks about fake reveals.

#108 Comments on Boro's bandwagoning.

#120 Responds to Lottie about Seer reveals, maintains that xe should save extra dream for later and not reveal.

#131 Clarifies abbreviations, gender questions.

#139 Debates between Nienna and Boro. Dislikes both their votes (Paranoia and Lottie).

#141 Votes Boro.

So based on that, it sounds an awful lot like Boro is a wolf. Of course, that's totally based on pulling clues from the narration, which is generally a no-no.

[Nerwen]

I don't think that Boro's a wolf, of course what am I to know?

Just so you know, Blind, the reason it would be funny if Boro were a wolf is that last time he was a cobbler, the wolves killed him on Night Two.

The reasons for thinking he might indeed be a wolf are these:

1. Evil-looking vote on Lottie.

2. His reactions to my joking accusation just seemed "off" to me– like someone who is trying to go along with the joke, but is inhibited by the fact that for him it's not really a joke, if you see what I mean. That's highly subjective, I admit.

3. Izzy voted him. Izzy died. That could be because her vote on Boro made the wolves think she was the Seer.

I wonder who "Izzy's wolf" was? There may be a clue in her posts.

EDIT:X'd since BG at #159.

[Paranoia]

It's possible that it wasn't even so much bad luck as it was that the wolves thought Izzy was the seer, which I think is also a definite possibility. Go back to Christina's vote at the end of day one on Boromir; the kill certainly makes a lot more sense from the perspective that the wolves thought her to be the seer, and that she'd dreamed one of their own, i.e. Boromir.

[satansaloser2005]

It's possible that it wasn't even so much bad luck as it was that the wolves thought Izzy was the seer, which I think is also a definite possibility. Go back to Christina's vote at the end of day one on Boromir; the kill certainly makes a lot more sense from the perspective that the wolves thought her to be the seer, and that she'd dreamed one of their own, i.e. Boromir.

Who's Christina? I don't believe we have any Christinas here. ;)

(Yes, I know, but not everyone does. Hee.)

[satansaloser2005]

Just so you know, Blind, the reason it would be funny if Boro were a wolf is that last time he was a cobbler, the wolves killed him on Night Two.

Oh yeah. Heh. I nearly forgot about that. *giggles*

[Paranoia]

Who's Christina? I don't believe we have any Christinas here. ;)

(Yes, I know, but not everyone does. Hee.)

Yeah; I have issues sometimes slipping up when I know someone's name. It's an issue of mine because I have a hard time keeping track of all the different names people use. :( Also I see I posted a condensed version of what Nerwen posted like.. right after her. XD

[Blind Guardian]

This is all just guessing though. And she wasn't the Seer she was the cobbler. Right? So what's the big deal. If you vote off Boro you may have one less wolf/Seer/villager or whatever. Though I see where you are going. Looks suspicious. Hm...

[Loslote]

Edited out smilies.

Is up, but on my day off I fully plan on going back to the whole sleeping in thing. I just wanted the all-powerful Mod know that indeed I am indeed alive.

*Looks at post count.* Nah, not going to attempt it when I'm feeling curmudgeonly. If someone would kindly post a summary of the activity that would be great. Actually, whoever does post a summary, I will not vote for today.

*Hates shaky, clammering thunderstorms. Returns to snuggling 'neath blankets and curling into a ball.* Wake me in 4 hours please. Whoever does, I won't vote for today either.

Is sleepy (long Night, perchance?) and asks for a summary of the posts so far.

I was about to tell Nerwen and Mira they would need to do a much better job at summarizing than that to get a no Day-1 vote from me, but those were actually quite accurate. Wow.

Funny how both of you do what I asked, but take two different attitudes towards me. Mira seizes the opportunity to do a "by the way" I love you. I'm obligated to ask, because this always seems to happen...trying to get me comfortable with you so my guard's down and it's easier to kill me? You know if I die next night and I find out you're behind it, I won't talk to you for a week, right? Glad we understand eachother now.

And Nerwen talks about canine freudian slips. Canines fear much more than thunderstorms. The canines of the variety we are lynching happen to fear vampires, I happen to like vampires.

Is surprised at the lack of content and makes a rather random note about Nerwen and Mira's attitudes, as well as joking about canine Freudian slips. We are having rather a lot of Freudian slips this game...

Werewolves hating Vampires is about as old as the feud between Demons and Angels. It goes way back, long before the days of the talentless saga I will not utter here.

Talks about Werewolves vs. Vampires; disses ******* (and yes, the bleeped-out nature was my own).

Yes, but I assume that feuds that run as deep as werewolves and vampires are cross-dimensions, time, and mythologies. And Gandalf was the sleeze of Middle-earth, he hung out with everyone, but doesn't mean everyone liked him. He was just that annoying and pushy. You either had to stroke his ego or ignore him.

Anywhowhathavesya, I can't promise my flippant I'm bored-dedness is over, but my intentional off-topic diversionary tactics are (I know, I know, never end a sentence with a preposition...sue me grammar gustapo.)

Let's see...

Blind seems very spunky for a new one. I like it. It probably makes me a terrible person to admit it, but most newbies I ignore because they are oh-so-tentative and quiet. Not going to ignore this one, and he's (she's?) working to be noticed. Nice, annoy everyone, and you'll get along fine.

Celuien's back! Woooo! And Tom Petty reference means you've earned my good favor today. You know the way to my heart, but Don't Do Me Like That.

Nienna's straight to business post is a good sign of her being innocent. Even though it was a response to Lottie, don't like the somewhat random seer-advisory message.

Lottie I have absolutely no clue, that's a massive amount of posts even by her standards. If you want to do your usual get yourself in trouble confusion, looks like you've already got your shovel out. I'm not taking the bullet for you this time, the way I see it...you owe me one.

wilwa is obviously sick because she's still trying to adjust to eating raw meat off the bone at night.

Wraps up the werewolves vs. vampires and the off-topicness; likes BeiGe and Nienna's style; is glad Xed is playing; jokes about Vanilwuffin's illness; and warns me that he's not going to be saving me this game and that I owe him one. This is admitedly true, but it does seem odd to bring it up.

Excellent, because this means if I die, you either wouldn't be involved in anyway as you wouldn't want the "Nienna treatment" from me, or you would be involved and that means you don't give a darn. :p I've got all I need to know, I think I can safely assume the former with you. :D (P.S. I do include cobblery, however. If we are going with the cobbler = .5 wolf conversion...if you're the cobbler I won't talk to you for 3.5 days. Does this change anything?)



Maybe to you, but to me it says I'm telling Nienna I like her usual business-like approach, but not the content.

Banter with Mira (I thought you said you were done with banter?) and responding to Zil about an apparent discrepency in his post about Nienna.

I'm going to have to vote within the next hour, so who I've decided not to vote for...

Mira, rather easy and obvious decision really. She actually might get a 2-day no vote from me.

Nerwen, for the brief summary, and jumping through my hoops.

Blind Guardian, feel quite good about her participation.

sally because I missed her birthday and I need to pay pennance.

Everyone else is fair game.

Says he will not vote for Mira, for no real reason, Nerwen for the summary (that you could have given to Mira as a reason, too - and Mira did post first!), BeiGe for being a good little newbie, and Sally as a belated birthday gift. Really, I can think of several other people who could easily have been added to this list - the people who hadn't yet posted come to mind.

Must be going, best thing I can come up with...call it a bandwagon, it is or what have you.

[*HIGHLIGHT]++Lottie[/HIGHLIGHT]

For making me think Rikae was in the game and I was going to post something like "Rikae not eerily arriving and saying something terrifyingly creepy yet is worrying me." But then checking the list of players and seeing Rikae isn't even here.

Votes me for extremely weak reasoning, especially considering that he labeled his vote a bandwagon. Why would he do that anyway? If Izzy wasn't already the cobbler, I'd almost want to say he was trying to get himself lynched. :rolleyes:

If votes don't start coming in, I'm going to be PO'ed to no end...To be unable to vote due to certain unforseen circumstances is one thing, the conscious decision to refuse to vote is ridiculous and weak.

Paranoia, the feelings are mutual.

Grumbles (VERY understandably) about the lack of votes and grumps at Noia.

Conclusions: Boro certainly looks more guilty than not.

Next up: a Glirdalysis (as he did the same thing I think Boro suspicious for doing).

EDIT: xed with people

[Blind Guardian]

OK now he sounds evil.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen
Just so you know, Blind, the reason it would be funny if Boro were a wolf is that last time he was a cobbler, the wolves killed him on Night Two.Oh yeah. Heh. I nearly forgot about that. *giggles*
Oh, well, I forgot about the other one– which is silly, considering I was his packmate.

This is all just guessing though. And she wasn't the Seer she was the cobbler. Right?
Barring a Seer-reveal, it's always "just guessing". The point is that the wolves may have thought she was the Seer.

So what's the big deal. If you vote off Boro you may have one less wolf/Seer/villager or whatever.
Er... yes.:confused:

EDIT:X'd with BG.

[Loslote]

(For those of you who've missed the joke, I was once a cobbler for a pack Boro was in, and I met the same fate as Izzy. Hehe. Makes me giggle.)

I was going to mention Morsul's game where the wolves killed cobblerHim, but several people beat me to it.

Nerwen: I wonder who "Izzy's wolf" was? There may be a clue in her posts.

I glanced over her posts briefly when finding Boro's posts, and I didn't see anything, but I didn't look at them all together. There might be something there - it would certainly be nice!

It's possible that it wasn't even so much bad luck as it was that the wolves thought Izzy was the seer, which I think is also a definite possibility. Go back to Christina's vote at the end of day one on Boromir; the kill certainly makes a lot more sense from the perspective that the wolves thought her to be the seer, and that she'd dreamed one of their own, i.e. Boromir.

1. For a moment I thought you were talking about me. :p

2. Why would the wolves think she was the seer and that she'd found a Boro-wolf? If that was true, she'd have either gone after him far more aggresively, or she'd have revealed. They could have thought she was the Seer and would dream of him, though - and that could be the reason. Or it could have been bluff, or it could have been killing someone who never seems to get lynched, or it could have been that they don't like yellow flowers. Really, trying to guess the wolves' reasoning is rather shooting in the dark. :rolleyes:

EDIT: xed with a Nerwen

[Loslote]

Er... yes.:confused:

This made me laugh. Now, Glirdalisis, before I get distracted again! :p

[Loslote]

Okay, so, I'm here...but I'm not...Really busy night and the DL happens to be at a decent time...but not on weekends :rolleyes:

In short,

I'm voting now as I will not be around for the rest of the Day....like, at all...If I'm here for Day 2, I'll be able to post a little more, but the DL happens to fall in the middle of my sleeping and then school and rehearsals...in other words, don't expect much from me.

As for my vote, it is purely out of spite! :p

[*highlight]++Lottie[/highlight]

Happy hunting!

Turns out this is all he posted...votes me because I got him lynched last game (when he was a wolf, though, so it really isn't the same thing) and says that he'll not be around.

[Nerwen]

Why would the wolves think she was the seer and that she'd found a Boro-wolf? If that was true, she'd have either gone after him far more aggresively, or she'd have revealed. They could have thought she was the Seer and would dream of him, though - and that could be the reason. Or it could have been bluff, or it could have been killing someone who never seems to get lynched, or it could have been that they don't like yellow flowers. Really, trying to guess the wolves' reasoning is rather shooting in the dark. :rolleyes:

As I said last game, very often the reason for the kill is something that seems obvious to the wolves but never occurs to the village. However, if you'll take the word of someone who has been a wolf a lot, the fact is that when you're furry everyone who glances at you sideways looks like the Seer. And in this particular set-up they wouldn't have taken any chances.

So no, it's not certain they thought she was the Seer, of course, but I think it's a reasonable theory.

EDIT:X'd with two Lotties.

[Loslote]

As I said last game, very often the reason for the kill is something that seems obvious to the wolves but never occurs to the village. However, if you'll take the word of someone who has been a wolf a lot, the fact is that when you're furry everyone who glances at you sideways looks like the Seer. And in this particular set-up they wouldn't have taken any chances.

So no, it's not certain they thought she was the Seer, of course, but I think it's a reasonable theory.

Eh, I'll have to take your word for it - I've never been a wolf (Cursed, yes, but that's not quite the same). Anyway, anything having to do with the Seer points to Boro - and that certainly does serve to further my "Boro is a wolf" theory.

And I know I still owe you one, Boro. I'll pay you back next game, k? Good. :p

[Blind Guardian]

I just so happened she was the cobbler :) So who killed her?

EDIT: Xed with lottie

[Loslote]

I just so happened she was the cobbler :) So who killed her?

EDIT: Xed with lottie

The wolves. They were silly. :p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The wolves. They were silly. :p

The Almighty Mod is watching.

And he approves this post. It made him giggle.

[Blind Guardian]

No I meant who is the wolves, I knew that!

[Loslote]

The Almighty Mod is watching.

And he approves this post. It made him giggle.

Does he approve of it enough to give us a cookie? :Merisu:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Does he approve of it enough to give us a cookie? :Merisu:

I shouldn't be bantering in my own game thread, but.... yes, Lottie, have a cookie.:rolleyes:

[Blind Guardian]

Computer cookie or food cookie? And for who you or the wolf? :P

EDIT: Xed with the mod.

[Loslote]

I shouldn't be bantering in my own game thread, but.... yes, Lottie, have a cookie.:rolleyes:

Computer cookie or food cookie?

I meant a Sally-type cookie. Still, this works too. :D *eats cookie*

[Blind Guardian]

:D I want one...j/k

[Loslote]

:D I want one...j/k

...my cookie. :mad:

;)

[Blind Guardian]

OK OK enough with the cookies! Who's the wolf?

[Loslote]

OK OK enough with the cookies! Who's the wolf?

Well, it's sort of traditional for me to suspect Shasta when he's being modlike, but...

Boro. I think Boro.

Also Morsul, because of his supremely annoying "no vote" yesterDay. :mad: See my vote post for reasons why this is evil.

[Blind Guardian]

Boro does look suspicious. I don't know, let me read

[Blind Guardian]

Paranoa too, looked suspicious.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

ATTENTION

Mirandir is being replaced by Keeper of Dol Guldur for... some reason.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

ATTENTION

Mirandir is being replaced by Keeper of Dol Guldur for... some reason.

That reason being that my account has 666 posts and SOMEONE refuses to let me post again and thus forked over his account information.

OK OK enough with the cookies! Who's the wolf?

That's kinda the point of the game. To figure that out. Try working some suspicions out for yourself and see where that gets us.

[Loslote]

Paranoa too, looked suspicious.

Hmm. Noia could just be a rather...agressive newbie. I'd give him a bit longer to see if he calms down a bit.

[Blind Guardian]

We where talking about cookies, I was trying to get us back on track.

[Blind Guardian]

Then that leaves Boro

[Loslote]

That reason being that my account has 666 posts and SOMEONE refuses to let me post again and thus forked over his account information.

...okay, that's funny. :D

[Blind Guardian]

Doesn't understand...

[Loslote]

Then that leaves Boro

It's not so much that it leaves Boro, he just happens to look guilty. There are plenty of other people who could be wolves. Actually, three more, to be specific. ;)

For example...I still don't like Morsul's refusal to vote. And there are several people (Glirdy, Wilwa, Cabbie, and Tum come to mind) who haven't really posted and thus haven't given us much to work with. But Boro does look bad, I'll readily give you that.

[Blind Guardian]

True. I don't like Morsul's refusal to vote either. Might be a wolf trying to act innocent.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Morsul's refusal to vote doesn't bother me the way it seems to be bothering other people. I've refused to vote on Day 1 plenty of times because I hate crapshoot votes. At least he bothered to post, unlike half the people supposedly playing in this game.

[Loslote]

Morsul's refusal to vote doesn't bother me the way it seems to be bothering other people. I've refused to vote on Day 1 plenty of times because I hate crapshoot votes. At least he bothered to post, unlike half the people supposedly playing in this game.

Thing is, though, he didn't even try. He just said "I'm confused. Kbye!" and left. At least some of the people who didn't vote had excuses (not that all of them did, and some of them have some explaining to do. *looks stern*). He was around. He could have asked questions, or gave an opinion on something. :rolleyes: Morsul is usually louder than that. Even when he's confused (which he often is), he'll still talk. The fact that he's not talking, and purposefully doing so, is something I find rather bothersome. Still, I've been known to get crusade-y about Morsul before, and he's been innocent then, so...:rolleyes:

[Blind Guardian]

When do our votes have to be in?

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Thing is, though, he didn't even try. He just said "I'm confused. Kbye!" and left. At least some of the people who didn't vote had excuses (not that all of them did, and some of them have some explaining to do. *looks stern*). He was around. He could have asked questions, or gave an opinion on something. :rolleyes: Morsul is usually louder than that. Even when he's confused (which he often is), he'll still talk. The fact that he's not talking, and purposefully doing so, is something I find rather bothersome. Still, I've been known to get crusade-y about Morsul before, and he's been innocent then, so...:rolleyes:

Fair enough.

[Loslote]

When do our votes have to be in?

Anytime before Shasta posts the Deadline.

EDIT: xed with - um, do I call you Mira or Keep?

[Blind Guardian]

That's what I didn't like.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

When do our votes have to be in?

In 22 hours. Read the rules.

EDIT: Gah my computer is being ridiculous. Lottie, go ahead and stick with Mira, since it's still me, just using a different account. Changing now might confuse people more than they already are.

[Loslote]

In 22 hours. Read the rules.

EDIT: Gah my computer is being ridiculous. Lottie, go ahead and stick with Mira, since it's still me, just using a different account. Changing now might confuse people more than they already are.

Gotcha - and good luck with your computer. *pets Mira's computer*

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

That's what I didn't like.

What didn't you like? It's disgustingly ambiguous posts like that that don't get us anywhere and just confuse people. Please try to be more specific.

[Blind Guardian]

I said I didn't like Morsul not posting! That's what we where talking about.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

I said I didn't like Morsul not posting! That's what we where talking about.

Actually we were talking about deadline, but if you want to think that you can. Furthermore, why don't you like Morsul not posting? Making ambiguous posts with no justification is a waste of everybody's time because then people have to ask why.

[The Elf-warrior]

I'd like to start with a public service announcement. If you didn't vote yesterday and you're innocent, vote today before the deadline. It could save this village. There are a lot of people in this village now, but our numbers will shrink and remember, the wolves have an extra kill. The wolves have managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat before.

Anywho, I am still suspicious of Boromir. However, I think it's possible the wolves killed Izzy to frame Boromir.

I found something that could be suspicious. Okay, furry friends, I have to go to work in a bit. I've noticed it before, but I wonder if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Loslote]

I'd like to start with a public service announcement. If you didn't vote yesterday and you're innocent, vote today before the deadline. It could save this village. There are a lot of people in this village now, but our numbers will shrink and remember, the wolves have an extra kill. The wolves have managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat before.

Anywho, I am still suspicious of Boromir. However, I think it's possible the wolves killed Izzy to frame Boromir.

I found something that could be suspicious. I've noticed it before, but I wonder if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.

That is possible, and we shouldn't write him off as guilty - but I personally am definitely leaning in that direction.

And I wouldn't make too much out of that quote. Sally is Sally - she'll say something like that just for kicks. Last game she was all over the fur analogies (then again, she was evil last game :p ).

[Blind Guardian]

I didn't like his post because he came online, said he wasn't going to vote and then dissapeared. What the heck? Why not just lerk then say anything at all and act suspicious. And his reasoning was that he didn't suspeact anyone or something along those lines. That he was confused. Why not ask questions like me? "oh I'm a seer and I know something so I'm not going to vote"

If that didn't make sence I'm tired and my thumb hurts :(

[Loslote]

Well, I'm for bed. I shall return, and will be around for quite a lot of the Day. Don't go voting Rikae while I'm gone, or I shall accuse Boro of corrupting your poor little minds with his sillyness. And I shall be very put out if there aren't many posts to read when I return, and may even vote for someone if they pull a Morsul. Play nice, don't trample the flowers, and I will grace you with my presence once again. :Merisu:

[Nerwen]

I'd like to start with a public service announcement. If you didn't vote yesterday and you're innocent, vote today before the deadline. It could save this village. There are a lot of people in this village now, but our numbers will shrink and remember, the wolves have an extra kill. The wolves have managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat before.

Anywho, I am still suspicious of Boromir. However, I think it's possible the wolves killed Izzy to frame Boromir.
True, though I doubt that would be their primary reason for the kill– not if they have any sense. Under the current circumstances, they should be trying to eliminate the gifteds ASAP.

[Morsul the Dark]

Sorry I was busy the other day... I'll be more active tonight. But have to go to work at the moment. The reason I didn't post much was because I was so busy. The reason I didn't vote was, my vote record is iffy at the best of times, I didn't want to vote anyone in particular just to do so. Although Nerwen is high on my suspicion list she had said something that seemed off to me.... At this exact second I can't recall what it was but I'll figure it out tonight with a real post.

[Nerwen]

Although Nerwen is high on my suspicion list she had said something that seemed off to me.... At this exact second I can't recall what it was but I'll figure it out tonight with a real post.

Oh, come on, Morsul, you know you always suspect me on principle, ever since that Arctic game of Legate's.

[Nerwen]

I know Mira (prior to being transformed into a Ringwraith) analysed Izzy, but I though I'd do my own.

#84. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=629901&postcount=84) Explains the general rules of WW to Blind Guardian in great detail.


#85.
I agree that the Seer shouldn't necessarily use their extra dream so quickly, as it would essentially be a waste of it. I think it is not the norm that the seer goes so quickly, and holding onto it for a phase or so enables them to get a better perception of players, and they are able to better make their dream choices. If they want to use it early, that is entirely their decision. Who knows, people could be looking very suspicious early on, it has happened.

The Hunter and their extra kill, kind of worries me - as it isn't alignment specific, so they could essentially take out two innocents with them. The likelihood of taking out two wolves is less probable than two innocents, or one innocent and one wolf.
Comments: This, and #120, may have been what got Izzy killed, possibly as well as her vote on Boro. By which I mean, her preoccupation with the gifteds, especially the Seer, may have looked like a "gifted conscience", to coin a phrase.
The Cobbler, there is no reason to keep them around. I think they should be treated more like a wolf than ever before - given that they already know the identity of one wolf. If not a full wolf, they are .5 of one.
Well, the wolves took her advice about not keeping her around...:D Seriously, I wonder if she was trying to signal to the wolves here?
To the idea that anyone could say they were the seer. Fake-claiming a role is typically something that the wolves do, to either save themself from a lynch and/or to try and get the real special role to out themself. Ordos fake claiming, is just a mess. It can happen, as a way to protect the real special role - though as the sentence right before says.. it is a mess.
She goes to great trouble to dissuade Blind Guardian from making a false reveal. Now that we know she was the Cobbler, one wonders why.


#109. [Referring to Boro.]
He did admit he was bandwagoning. Not entirely sure it makes it any better.


#120. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=629948&postcount=120) Argues forcefully against Lottie's proposal that the Seer should use up the extra dream, then reveal.


#131. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=629959&postcount=131) Greets Paranoia, explains the Mafia terms he used, comments on Lottie wagon (Lottie had three votes at this point): It kind of looks like Loslote is going to be a First Day lynch ritual? o.O


#139. I am debating between Nienna and Boro. I dislike both of their votes.
Comments: Nienna, as far as she knew, had two votes at this point, as this crossed with my vote-post.


#141.
++Boro

I dislike his vote more than I do nienna's.
Comments: This post was made a minute before DL, when both Nienna and Lottie had three votes. Barring multiple people jumping in to vote out of nowhere, Boro was pretty safe at this point.


General Comments: It does seem quite likely she was killed as a suspected Seer. There's no clear indication of who "her" wolf was; indeed she only interacted or talked about four living players (Lottie, Boro, Paranoia and Blind Guardian). Of the four, I don't think it can have been Lottie (this of course doesn't rule out Lottie being a wolf). It could conceivably have been Boro, even though she voted for him, because the vote put him in no real danger. She helps out Paranoia, who was starting to raise eyebrows. Her relations with Blind Guardian are the most interesting, though– could #84 be an attempt to make sure a wolf-cub has an obvious source of information (in case she gets accused of knowing too much), and #85 be an attempt to prevent that same cub doing something silly? Very thin, I admit. It's just as likely "Izzy's wolf" was one of those who posted little or nothing yesterDay.

[Inziladun]

Well, a strange game this is shaping up to be, in keeping with the trend lately.

The wolves couldn't have made a better choice for their kill last Night. :)

Paranoia, maybe I'm just being blind, but I'm inclined to think Blind Guardian's mistakes are so mistakey that it makes her unlikely to be a wolf. I think it's more likely she's a cobbler. I'm inclined to believe she's an innocent.

It's also a well-known fact that newbie wolves are routinely encouraged to act as if they don't understand many of the workings of the game, and it could be argued that some of BG's questions have been a bit over the top in trumpeting newbie status. Not saying she's definitely a wolf, but it's something to keep in mind.

I really do think Boro is a wolfie (and not because of luck). He voted for me, and even admited it was a bandwagoning move. Since when does Boro bandwagon early? He sure seemed entirely adverse to the idea last game, when he was innocent. :rolleyes: I'm off to analyze him...

It does seem quite likely [Izzy] was killed as a suspected Seer. There's no clear indication of who "her" wolf was; indeed she only interacted or talked about four living players (Lottie, Boro, Paranoia and Blind Guardian). Of the four, I don't think it can have been Lottie (this of course doesn't rule out Lottie being a wolf). It could conceivably have been Boro, even though she voted for him, because the vote put him in no real danger.

If Boro is furry, I don't think it's all that likely he was the one wolf Izzy knew about. Why would she have voted for him, in that case? She could easily have voted someone else, and if she knew he was a wolf she should have known a blind vote for him could make the pack suspicious enough to kill her.

I don't think that Boro's a wolf, of course what am I to know?

That's nice, but why not?

That reason being that my account has 666 posts and SOMEONE refuses to let me post again and thus forked over his account information.

This is quite bizarre! :eek:

[Nerwen]

If Boro is furry, I don't think it's all that likely he was the one wolf Izzy knew about. Why would she have voted for him, in that case? She could easily have voted someone else, and if she knew he was a wolf she should have known a blind vote for him could make the pack suspicious enough to kill her.
I said it was "conceivable", not "likely".


Originally Posted by Blind Guardian
I don't think that Boro's a wolf, of course what am I to know?That's nice, but why not?
Indeed, did you have any specific reason for thinking he was innocent, Blind? You did not mention it.

[Boromir88]

Oh lovely, everyone and their mother has thrown out every possible reason in the book at me. At least the last few posts have been more reasonable, besides Nerwen banging on about "curling up into a ball" and Mira dropping out references to hidden clues in the narration (let's just go on and ignore that post though, right?) Mira, go for it, let's hear this clue in the narration you found, holding back now isn't going to save me.

There's flip-flopping and then there's wolves eyeing a juicy lynch, which one Blind are I'll let you lot figure out, but you're all are just going to write it off as a newbie mistake I imagine. :rolleyes:

I don't think that Boro's a wolf, of course what am I to know?

OK now he sounds evil.

Lottie, find someone else to execute. I voted for you because you had me thinking Rikae was in the game. I thought, I got to vote, Lottie's confusing me, if she's going to do that, that's the best thing I got. It's only a bandwagon because of coming after Glirdan's. I'll ask you since you apparently know me oh so well now after being PM buddies a whole 24 hours...do you really think as a wolf I would go for the easy Day 1 option? I can't help when I have to vote, but heck at least I do it. That's the only reason you have a reason to suspect me, unlike half the rest of this place.

Morsul's refusal to vote doesn't bother me the way it seems to be bothering other people. I've refused to vote on Day 1 plenty of times because I hate crapshoot votes. At least he bothered to post, unlike half the people supposedly playing in this game.
I'll put this in a way that you can easily understand it (that isn't supposed to come off as a rude slight, but just saying I'm going to put it in an analogy I know you'll understand). If the Cowboys were playing the Eagles, you know that the Cowboys are allowed to look at all of the Eagles' game film to prepare for the match on Sunday (film on their practices is a big no-no, but all football teams look at game film to prepare for their upcoming match).

In WW we don't know who the foes are, we have to figure it out on our own, but there's a lot of game film we can look at. One of the biggest forms is a vote, because it makes everyone leave some sort of evidence. Mods can't control how many times people post, and truthfully I don't like spending hours reading through a thread, so it's ok if people don't have the time to post a lot, or simply just don't want to. As much as I want to smother Paranoia with a pillow for yesterday, he came on, posted at least once and voted. When multiple people don't vote, it's one thing to not vote because of time crunch or being sick, but to blatantly refuse to vote is getting rid of a part of the game-film we NEED to have to lynch wolves. It would honestly be like if the Eagles refused to give the Cowboys half their game-film, just because they didn't want to. I'm sure they don't like it, but they have to. People might not like making a tough, rushed vote, but man up, stop whining about it and just do it. All of us who do vote are playing by the rules and have "game-film" now to look at, those who don't...and that's weak and it's bull.

Edit: crossed with Zil and Nerwen

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so I have a dumb question. (Because I just woke up and am not processing very well right now.) Is Mira replaced by Keeper or is Mira playing under Keeper? *headdesks* I'm just so very tired....


Also, I'm going to go look at Morsul and a couple other people. Back soon-ish.

[Nerwen]

So, I was rather struck by young Blind Guardian's dialogue toDay, and I thought I'd turn it into a little play. (Longer passages have been summarised in italics. All BG's posts are untouched.)

EYELESS WATCHER

A play in one act
by
Nerwen

Sally: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630037&postcount=154) Ha, ha, Boro's a wolf!

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630039&postcount=156) Bye-bye Izzy, it was nice to know you. Why do you think Boro's a wolf?

Loslote: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630040&postcount=157) This is why.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630042&postcount=159) I don't think that Boro's a wolf, of course what am I to know?

Mira: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630044&postcount=161) This is why too.

Nerwen: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630045&postcount=162)And this.

Paranoia: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630046&postcount=163) Ditto.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630050&postcount=167) This is all just guessing though. And she wasn't the Seer she was the cobbler. Right? So what's the big deal. If you vote off Boro you may have one less wolf/Seer/villager or whatever. Though I see where you are going. Looks suspicious. Hm...

Lottie: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630051&postcount=168) *analyses Boro in detail* See? Bad.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630052&postcount=169) OK now he sounds evil.

Nerwen: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630053&postcount=170) Barring a Seer-reveal, it's always "just guessing". The point is that the wolves may have thought she was the Seer.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630059&postcount=176) I just so happened she was the cobbler So who killed her?

Lottie: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630060&postcount=177) The wolves. They were silly.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630062&postcount=179) No I meant who is the wolves, I knew that!

Various: Cookies! Cookies!

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630069&postcount=186) OK OK enough with the cookies! Who's the wolf?

Lottie: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630070&postcount=187) Boro. I think Boro. Also Morsul, because of his supremely annoying "no vote" yesterDay. See my vote post for reasons why this is evil.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630071&postcount=188) Boro does look suspicious. I don't know, let me read

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630072&postcount=189) Paranoa too, looked suspicious.

Keeper of Dol Guldur (formerly Mirandir): I am Mira no more! I am a Nazgul! Fear me! Raaa!

Keeper of Dol Guldur (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630074&postcount=191) (commenting on Blind's "who's the wolf? post): That's kinda the point of the game. To figure that out. Try working some suspicions out for yourself and see where that gets us.

Lottie: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630075&postcount=192) Hmm. Noia could just be a rather...agressive newbie. I'd give him a bit longer to see if he calms down a bit.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630076&postcount=193) We where talking about cookies, I was trying to get us back on track.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630077&postcount=194) Then that leaves Boro

Lottie: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630080&postcount=197) It's not so much that it leaves Boro, he just happens to look guilty. There are plenty of other people who could be wolves. Actually, three more, to be specific.

For example...I still don't like Morsul's refusal to vote. And there are several people (Glirdy, Wilwa, Cabbie, and Tum come to mind) who haven't really posted and thus haven't given us much to work with. But Boro does look bad, I'll readily give you that.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630081&postcount=198) True. I don't like Morsul's refusal to vote either. Might be a wolf trying to act innocent.

Keeper of Dol Guldur: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630082&postcount=199) Morsul's refusal to vote doesn't bother me the way it seems to be bothering other people. I've refused to vote on Day 1 plenty of times because I hate crapshoot votes. At least he bothered to post, unlike half the people supposedly playing in this game.

Lottie (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630083&postcount=200) *explains why Morsul's post was suspicious*

Various: Deadline? Deadline?

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630088&postcount=204) That's what I didn't like.

Keeper of Dol Guldur: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630091&postcount=207) What didn't you like? It's disgustingly ambiguous posts like that that don't get us anywhere and just confuse people. Please try to be more specific.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630092&postcount=208) I said I didn't like Morsul not posting! That's what we where talking about.

Keeper of Dol Guldur: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630093&postcount=209) Actually we were talking about deadline, but if you want to think that you can. Furthermore, why don't you like Morsul not posting? Making ambiguous posts with no justification is a waste of everybody's time because then people have to ask why.

Blind Guardian: (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630096&postcount=212) I didn't like his post because he came online, said he wasn't going to vote and then dissapeared. What the heck? Why not just lerk then say anything at all and act suspicious. And his reasoning was that he didn't suspeact anyone or something along those lines. That he was confused. Why not ask questions like me? "oh I'm a seer and I know something so I'm not going to vote"

If that didn't make sence I'm tired and my thumb hurts

[Note: it makes sense, but it's just a repeat of Lottie's reasons. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=630083&postcount=200)]


Critic's response: This remarkably fresh drama, with its sparkling, witty conversation and it surface gaiety, carries a darker, yet inescapable subtext. The audience is left wondering: what, exactly, is the relationship between Blind Guardian and Boromir88? What drives her to be truly– in a brilliant piece of symbolism– "blind" to the mounting evidence against him, to try, seemingly, to find another suspect for the crime of which he is accused? We know from the beginning that this is no love story: what strange, unspoken bond, then, can it be that links these two very different characters?

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

[Nerwen]

And in case it's not clear what I'm getting at in my last post: I wouldn't be surprised if Boro and Blind Guardian were packmates. It sort of looks that way. I mean she might be just a newbie who is grateful to him for being kind to her, and doesn't understand why he's suspicious, but still...

[satansaloser2005]

Quick announcement:

I'll be going to see Duck (and our friend the Right Honorable Guinea Pig, our cohort for most of our little adventures) this afternoon. They're all growed up. *sniff* Anyway, while I don't plan to be gone that long, I don't know what (if anything) we'll be doing, so I'm not sure when I'll be back once I leave. But don't worry, I'll be voting at some point, I swear. Otherwise Shasta's threatened me with a grisly death. :o

[Nerwen]

Lottie, find someone else to execute. I voted for you because you had me thinking Rikae was in the game. I thought, I got to vote, Lottie's confusing me, if she's going to do that, that's the best thing I got. It's only a bandwagon because of coming after Glirdan's. I'll ask you since you apparently know me oh so well now after being PM buddies a whole 24 hours...do you really think as a wolf I would go for the easy Day 1 option? I can't help when I have to vote, but heck at least I do it. That's the only reason you have a reason to suspect me, unlike half the rest of this place.

In other words, Boro, you voted Lottie for the kind of trumped-up reason that actually looks worse than none at all– and I say this as one who is generally suspicious of random votes.

And I don't know about Lottie, but I do think you would go for an easy lynch. Why on Earth not?

[Blind Guardian]

Boy, I sounded like poop last night. I don't even remember posting half of that :D But let's see; I am new and I have never played any werewolf-mofia games, ever. I don't want to say boros a wolf is kinda a subconcious thing. Something tells me not to vote for Boro. I don't know, it's hard to explain

[satansaloser2005]

Boy, I sounded like **** last night. I don't even remember posting half of that :D But let's see; I am new and I have never played any werewolf-mofia games, ever. I don't want to say boros a wolf is kinda a subconcious thing. Something tells me not to vote for Boro. I don't know, it's hard to explain

Blind, dear, you see those asterisks? That means you shouldn't be using that kind of language on the Downs. Thanks in advance for keeping it clean!

Anyway I've got Morsul done (have for a while, but my mum showed up so I've not been able to post) and am tacking on a quick analysis of Elfie (hehe) so I'll be back in a few minutes with that.

[Blind Guardian]

Sorry *edits*

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry *edits*

*pats your head* Thanks, dear. :)

[Nerwen]

Boy, I sounded like **** last night. I don't even remember posting half of that :D But let's see; I am new and I have never played any werewolf-mofia games, ever. I don't want to say boros a wolf is kinda a subconcious thing. Something tells me not to vote for Boro. I don't know, it's hard to explain
Even after this?
There's flip-flopping and then there's wolves eyeing a juicy lynch, which one Blind are I'll let you lot figure out, but you're all are just going to write it off as a newbie mistake I imagine. :rolleyes:
I mean you do realise Boro just accused you of being a wolf, don't you?

In WW we don't know who the foes are, we have to figure it out on our own, but there's a lot of game film we can look at. One of the biggest forms is a vote, because it makes everyone leave some sort of evidence. Mods can't control how many times people post, and truthfully I don't like spending hours reading through a thread, so it's ok if people don't have the time to post a lot, or simply just don't want to. As much as I want to smother Paranoia with a pillow for yesterday, he came on, posted at least once and voted. When multiple people don't vote, it's one thing to not vote because of time crunch or being sick, but to blatantly refuse to vote is getting rid of a part of the game-film we NEED to have to lynch wolves. It would honestly be like if the Eagles refused to give the Cowboys half their game-film, just because they didn't want to. I'm sure they don't like it, but they have to. People might not like making a tough, rushed vote, but man up, stop whining about it and just do it. All of us who do vote are playing by the rules and have "game-film" now to look at, those who don't...and that's weak and it's bull.

You know what? I totally agree with this. And I don't like what Morsul did at all. Problem: your vote was, in my opinion, worse and weaker than Morsul's refusal to vote.

[Blind Guardian]

I mean you do realise Boro just accused you of being a wolf, don't you?






He did? ANd I stuck up for him :(

[satansaloser2005]

Wow.... SOOOOO confused...

what are the rules regarding not voting? because I don't plan on voting today because absolutely nothing makes sense for me.

We were all confused. It was the first Day; we were all supposed to be confused. But this looks like he’s taking the cheap way out (which he obviously was) and I don’t approve of it. Just because you don’t have solid evidence against someone (especially on the first Day) doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote. If all the innocents just didn’t vote on the first Day we’d have no chance of killing a wolf, because the wolves would be controlling the voting.

In a way this makes me think that he’s just a slacking innocent (again) rather than a wolf, but I think either way he’s against the village, intentionally or not.


Sorry I was busy the other day... I'll be more active tonight. But have to go to work at the moment. The reason I didn't post much was because I was so busy. The reason I didn't vote was, my vote record is iffy at the best of times, I didn't want to vote anyone in particular just to do so. Although Nerwen is high on my suspicion list she had said something that seemed off to me.... At this exact second I can't recall what it was but I'll figure it out tonight with a real post.

He suspects one person -one- and has nothing else to say about anybody else. Business is understandable and I’ll certainly not fault him for that, but his no vote reasoning is just using his reputation as an excuse for laziness and trying not to leave a trail. It makes me very uneasy.


Verdict (for now): Either way, he’s not going to be helping the village, he’ll be harming us. I don’t know if it’s intentional (aka wolfism) or not, but he’s being a detriment, not an asset, and I’d much rather have him go than someone who’s actually trying to win the game. (This, of course, is subject to change with more posts, but that’s my feeling right now.)


I doubt any of us enjoy falling. We have a bigger problem. Werewolves! Hideous creatures of the stygian night.

Gasp! Hehe, a silly post from a silly player, nothing more. Unless it is? ;)


In a sense, my name is a hoax. I am not an Elf, just a stout hobbit. Now you've got a rock solid case to lynch me without further talk or rational thought.:cool: Oh, all those people who haven't posted must be werewolves. Oh noes, we're all doomed! AGGGGGGGHHHHHH!

That previous paragraph demonstrates that I am a truly sinister individual. Are you too blind to see the way I explain away something truly sinister about myself? Also, note the way he then diverts attention from himself by making a joking accusation about all the people who haven't posted yet. What we need is a strong leader with manly chest hair. On second thought, we need four strong leaders.

And now I’m thinking about manly chest hair. On the female players.

++Elf-Warri.....

Anyway, this is kind of very silly thing but I can see how people would jump on it. I think it’s innocent (or at least not a real hint at evilness) thing, but I’ll want to keep an eye out because people have been getting by with similar posts recently and I’ll stand for it no longer. *sits* :p


I plead not guilty. I was joking when I called myself sinister.

Edit: Cross posted with Loslote.

Just referring to the earlier post. Not a lot.


BG: OK, so I should go to bed and wait for tomorrow?
Elfie: Sure. Go ahead.

Just helping a newbie. How sweet, eh? Strangely, however, I’m picking up hints of something more in their little helpful exchange. Maybe it’s just me?


Paranoia, maybe I'm just being blind, but I'm inclined to think Blind Guardian's mistakes are so mistakey that it makes her unlikely to be a wolf. I think it's more likely she's a cobbler. I'm inclined to believe she's an innocent.

However, I'm getting some faint suspicious vibes from Boromir. In my werewolfing experience, it is common for wolves to bind themselves with an innocent so that if the innocent dies, the wolf is given a patina of innocence and vice a versa if the wolf dies. This could be the nature of a possible connection between Blind Guardian and Boromir, she's innocent, he's hairy.

I have gotten practically no suspicious vibes from Lottie. Morsul's intention not to vote seems out of character to me. I could be wrong. I've only played with him once before. I'm inclinedto think Paranoia is innocent because he's thinking in line with me on Boromir.

I'm not really feeling suspicious of Nienna. I don't blame Xed for voting for me. I haven't been helpful.

++Morsul

Defends Blind, suspects Boro, votes Morsul because....because he didn’t vote. Well, understandable but Morsul doing something OOC is actually IC for Morsul, so I don’t know if I agree with this. Also, not voting Paranoia just because he (right?) agrees with you seems off to me. And if you suspect Boro more why not vote him?


I'd like to start with a public service announcement. If you didn't vote yesterday and you're innocent, vote today before the deadline. It could save this village. There are a lot of people in this village now, but our numbers will shrink and remember, the wolves have an extra kill. The wolves have managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat before.

Anywho, I am still suspicious of Boromir. However, I think it's possible the wolves killed Izzy to frame Boromir.

I found something that could be suspicious. I've noticed it before, but I wonder if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.

This just screams awkward to me. I almost want to say that there's a hint of "guys, I know we killed our cobbler but we can make it out alive, oh, and I should reassure the village too so I look innocent and helpful" to this post.


Verdict: All in all I think I’ll have to keep an eye on Elfie, but I won’t be double-plussing any time soon, because I’m still very iffy on the whole situation. From the tone of posts I'd actually have to go with guilty right now, but I'm not sure I'm ready to condemn quite yet. We'll have to see what I think of everyone else.

[Nerwen]

May as well vote now.

++Boro.

He's made an attempt to explain himself toDay. Most unsatisfactory.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Oh lovely, everyone and their mother has thrown out every possible reason in the book at me. At least the last few posts have been more reasonable, besides Nerwen banging on about "curling up into a ball" and Mira dropping out references to hidden clues in the narration (let's just go on and ignore that post though, right?) Mira, go for it, let's hear this clue in the narration you found, holding back now isn't going to save me.

Heh, yeah, so about that. It was this: "I knew you were a wolf!" she said excitedly, staring at one of the wolves in particular (who began to be uncomfortable). Then it was brought to my attention that I suck at life and the cobbler knew who one of the wolves was at the beginning of the game. My bad. :o

In WW we don't know who the foes are, we have to figure it out on our own, but there's a lot of game film we can look at. One of the biggest forms is a vote, because it makes everyone leave some sort of evidence. Mods can't control how many times people post, and truthfully I don't like spending hours reading through a thread, so it's ok if people don't have the time to post a lot, or simply just don't want to. As much as I want to smother Paranoia with a pillow for yesterday, he came on, posted at least once and voted. When multiple people don't vote, it's one thing to not vote because of time crunch or being sick, but to blatantly refuse to vote is getting rid of a part of the game-film we NEED to have to lynch wolves. It would honestly be like if the Eagles refused to give the Cowboys half their game-film, just because they didn't want to. I'm sure they don't like it, but they have to. People might not like making a tough, rushed vote, but man up, stop whining about it and just do it. All of us who do vote are playing by the rules and have "game-film" now to look at, those who don't...and that's weak and it's bull.


Hmm, you know, I feel like we've had this conversation before. Oh wait, that's because we have. And as per usual, we're going to agree to disagree on this one. But only on Day 1. After that I totally agree with you. (Thanks for the football reference, by the way. <3 my Boys)

Okay, so I have a dumb question. (Because I just woke up and am not processing very well right now.) Is Mira replaced by Keeper or is Mira playing under Keeper? *headdesks* I'm just so very tired....

It's still Mira, darling. Just under a different account.

Nerwen, fabulous play. *applauds*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

ATTENTION

Wilwa has been modkilled by request. She was an Ordo.

[satansaloser2005]

ATTENTION

Wilwa has been modkilled by request. She was an Ordo.


*snuggles her poor muffin*

[Morsul the Dark]

Wow I wss gone all day not much added... Which isn't bad I mean I can catch up now... Though I did notice Sally's analysyzs of mye another person calling me lazy that's New and original:rolleyes: By the way yesterday was THREE pages of JUST banter... why waste a vote on That nonsense. Nienna died and she seemed to be the only one trying.

And Nerwen yes I do often suspect you but for you to go along with all the banter and then write a "Play" seems so not you.

those are my initial thoughts oh and Blind Guardian is Throwing the newbie card at us... seems suspect. Newbies usually get some leeway so no need to throw it out at us so much.

I'd post more but as everyone knows I'm lazy, I'll read through and make more concrete post soon.

[Blind Guardian]

What newbie card? I'm just asking questions!

[Morsul the Dark]

Boy, I sounded like poop last night. I don't even remember posting half of that :D But let's see; I am new and I have never played any werewolf-mofia games, ever. I don't want to say boros a wolf is kinda a subconcious thing. Something tells me not to vote for Boro. I don't know, it's hard to explain

that

[Morsul the Dark]

SHASTA: Reading through I noticed you put Blind on the "Didn't Vote" list she voted but late... just to defend her real quick before doing this.

She voted Nienna for absolutely no stated reasons. Spent 2 pages with nothing but banter Gets overly defensive when someone points it out and keeps reminding everyone how innocent she is and new to WW(Which seems forced and fake to me)

++Blind Guardian

[Loslote]

Lottie, find someone else to execute. I voted for you because you had me thinking Rikae was in the game. I thought, I got to vote, Lottie's confusing me, if she's going to do that, that's the best thing I got. It's only a bandwagon because of coming after Glirdan's. I'll ask you since you apparently know me oh so well now after being PM buddies a whole 24 hours...do you really think as a wolf I would go for the easy Day 1 option? I can't help when I have to vote, but heck at least I do it. That's the only reason you have a reason to suspect me, unlike half the rest of this place.

Yes, but you knew full well that Glirdy had already voted for me. You even mentioned it in your post. It looks a lot like a Boro-wolf saying "Meh, gotta get someone lynched. Ohai, there's an option!"

And in case it's not clear what I'm getting at in my last post: I wouldn't be surprised if Boro and Blind Guardian were packmates. It sort of looks that way. I mean she might be just a newbie who is grateful to him for being kind to her, and doesn't understand why he's suspicious, but still...

You have a really good point there, and if we lynched one and xe turns out evil, I'd say the other has a very good chance of being evil, too.

And I don't know about Lottie, but I do think you would go for an easy lynch. Why on Earth not?

For the evil lynch? Yes, assuming you mean someone who is above-and-beyond in terms of suspicious activity. I don't think he'd go for a bandwaggon on someone when he doesn't have any real reasons for it.

And Nerwen yes I do often suspect you but for you to go along with all the banter and then write a "Play" seems so not you.

You do realize that she wrote her "play" after you posted that you suspected her? This looks like you coming up with reasons after coming up with your suspicion, when it should be the other way around.

Also, loved the play, Nerwen. :D

[Morsul the Dark]

I can't add reasons now?... When I posted she seemed to be going along with the banter the play just added to the reason... I don't understand your point.

[Inziladun]

Hmm. So Boro and BG have votes already. What to make of that?

YesterDay I wasn't too impressed with Boro's reasoning for voting Lottie. It looked extremely bandwaggonish, coming after Glirdan's vote.

I already didn't like the way he seemed to be saying two contradictory things about Nienna here:.

Nienna's straight to business post is a good sign of her being innocent. Even though it was a response to Lottie, don't like the somewhat random seer-advisory message.

I made a comment on that, and Boro answered thusly:

Maybe to you, but to me it says I'm telling Nienna I like her usual business-like approach, but not the content.

Now to me, when you say a post makes someone look innocent, you're saying you think their words are those of an innocent. Granted, I'm notoriously pedantic, but that did seem rather wishy-washy.

Boro's response to suspicion toDay doesn't look too bad, though.

And BG?

I've thought some of her newbieness was so overt as to be suspect. Then again, I have to wonder if she was a wolf, if her packmates wouldn't have told her to tone it down last Night.

Lynching either of them might tell us something useful, but I'd like to look at some others to avoid tunnel vision here.

[Loslote]

I can't add reasons now?... When I posted she seemed to be going along with the banter the play just added to the reason... I don't understand your point.

You can add reasons now, technically, but you shouldn't use it as explanation for previous suspicion. Also, your logic itself is faulty. Nerwen's play was anything but going along with the banter. If you want to suspect someone based on the banter, suspect me or BeiGe - the ones who were doing the bantering. :rolleyes:

[Morsul the Dark]

hence my BlindGuardian vote.. the reason it made Nerwen suspicious Vs. you... you Always banter she's usually fairly serious

[Loslote]

hence my BlindGuardian vote.. the reason it made Nerwen suspicious Vs. you... you Always banter she's usually fairly serious

Yeah, I do always banter, I'm not going to argue that. ;) But Nerwen didn't really banter much herself. Her play was more rolling her eyes at the banter, or at least, that's what I got from it.

[Morsul the Dark]

Rereading it I see what you mean... Though you have to admit at a glance it does seem reminiscent of your many song parodies(I spelled reminiscent correctly proud of self:smokin:.)

[Loslote]

Rereading it I see what you mean... Though you have to admit at a glance it does seem reminiscent of your many song parodies(I spelled reminiscent correctly proud of self:smokin:.)

I don't see the connection, really. But glad to see I wasn't completely off.

[autume98]

Yay! I'm here! I'm hoping that the internet here continues to work. It's been kinda spotty.

Looks like an exciting Day 1. :) Wish I could've been here to see it, however being here has been a LOT of fun, and I wouldn't trade it.

Anyways, on to the game...BTW I remember someone posting "I lost the game." So thanks, now I did too. :p

I've been spending the last several hours playing catch up to see what I missed, and what's happening. I haven't really drawn any conclusions at this point. I do have a question though. I noticed Boro is under suspicion for bandwagoning Lottie yesterday. Is this the only evidence we have on Boro is there something else? I feel like such a newbie at times, I guess technically I am since this is only my fourth game. I just wish I had a better handle on this like some of ya'll. :cool:

[Loslote]

Anyways, on to the game...BTW I remember someone posting "I lost the game." So thanks, now I did too. :p

I've been spending the last several hours playing catch up to see what I missed, and what's happening. I haven't really drawn any conclusions at this point. I do have a question though. I noticed Boro is under suspicion for bandwagoning Lottie yesterday. Is this the only evidence we have on Boro is there something else? I feel like such a newbie at times, I guess technically I am since this is only my fourth game. I just wish I had a better handle on this like some of ya'll. :cool:

1. I just did, too. ;)

2. That's basically it, but we don't really have much besides voting records at the moment. Voting record, or lack of it, is most of my suspicion on Morsul, too (although his later posting has been somewhat troubling, as well). Based on Boro's later posting, I can't say - but his voting is troubling. It's not enough to assume that he's a wolf - but it's enough to guess.