WW LXXVII: The Metamorphs of Wolf-562-e [Archive] - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nerwen

05-30-2010, 11:02 AM

Prologue

“Captain,” said the person in the uniform of the Terran Galactic Fleet, carefully locking the door, “is this cabin secure?”

“As secure as I can make it.” Captain McNerwen leaned back in her chair, eyeing the newcomer with no friendly gaze. “Why?”

“Last Night,” said the other, “I had a dream.”

Strangely, this seemingly inane statement failed to spark Captain McNerwen’s legendary temper. She, and she alone knew that the person before her was one of three Terran Intelligence agents assigned to the crew of the TGS Lothlórien. More than that, this particular agent was a telepath, genetically engineered to be able to tune in on mental frequencies. It was a talent to which the captain had to give a grudging respect, however irritating she found its owner.

“What about?”

“Wolf-562-e. I dreamt three of our crew were murdered while on leave there, and– and replaced with Metamorphs.”

They stared at each other for fully half a minute.

Finally the captain broke the silence. “So. The Radiant Empire offered them a better deal. And they took it.” She sighed bitterly. “My father always said the only Metamorph you could trust was a dead one. We should have known they were up to something.” The captain shook her head. After five years of devastating interstellar war, it had had been all too tempting to believe in this powerful new ally. “Well, then– which three?”

“I don’t know, Captain. It could be anyone. I can see this only by sharing the dreams of the Metamorphs themselves, and their minds are so alien. All I’m sure of is that it wasn’t you or the other two agents. Also, I have a feeling the Metamorphs aren't our only problem– I'm getting a sense of treachery from somewhere– but I'm not sure. Look, Captain, I need more time–”

The captain reached for the mouthpiece of the subspace communication system, able to send a message instantly across light years. “We don’t have time, you fool!” she snapped. “Earth must be warned!”

But the communicator was dead.

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No posting on this thread.

Nerwen

06-09-2010, 09:05 PM

It is now Night One. Roles will be sent out shortly.

You may not post on this thread.
EDIT: All roles have now been sent out. If you didn't get one, you're an ordo. Stop posting me about this, people! :rolleyes:

Nerwen

06-10-2010, 11:23 AM

Sensor Technician Isabellkya had been unable to get the subspace communication system working. "Ma'am, it looks to me as if it's been deliberately tempered with– and by a real expert, at that."

"Well, you're an expert, aren't you, Technician?" Ensign Blind Guardian asked her. "Sure you didn't do it yourself?"

This was greeted with a few chuckles from surrounding members of the crew.

Surely, the captain reflected, Metamorphs would have taken it all a bit more seriously? But then, perhaps not. Metamorph humour, if there was such a thing, was as veiled in mystery as the rest of their culture.

"Ensign Guardian," she said coldly, "you will in future refrain from making a Rigellian tree-ape of yourself in front of the enlisted men. Technician Isabellkya, I want the subspace system functional by 0300 hours Galactic Time tomorrow, and in that time you will concentrate on your work and make no further wild statements about sabotage. The rest of you, go about your duties. Watching Technician Isabellkya perform routine maintenence is not a form of entertainment."

The captain turned on her heel and stalked out of the room. It had, she realised, probably been useless to expect the crew to believe nothing was seriously wrong. There was nothing routine about this– everyone knew subspace systems did not just break down without warning.

What gave her an even greater sense of futility was that she had made no progress whatever in finding the enemy. All of the crew were acting like their normal selves– just as the intelligence agent had predicted. According to the agent, Metamorphs had a specialised form of telepathy that let them absorb memories from those they killed, allowing them to pass undectected except by someone who had known the victim extremely well. And on this ship, the captain thought bitterly, that meant no-one at all, when so many of the Lothlórien's current crew were replacements for those killed in the disastrous Battle of Fomalhaut.

"There must be something," she muttered aloud. "There must be..."

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Still Night One.

Nerwen

06-10-2010, 10:06 PM

Captain McNerwen paused on the threshhold of the medical laboratory. Supposedly, what she was about to try was even more useless than observing the crew's behaviour. All sources she had read agreed that finding the subtle biological differences between a disguised Metamorph and the individual it copied took detailed analysis, far beyond the capabilties of a combat spacecraft lab.

However, Doctor Morsul had spent most of his career in space, treating the many exotic ailments that were a hazard of interstellar travel. In fact his interest in alien diseases was positively ghoulish. It was entirely possible, the captain thought, that the doctor might know a trick or two that the academic experts had missed. It was worth a try at any rate.

The trouble was that she would have to take Doctor Morsul into her confidence and for all she knew, the medical officer was himself a Metamorph. Well, she had prepared for that. She had recorded a holographic message, to be activated on the event of her death, informing the crew of the situation, just in case the Metamorphs were able to tamper with her log.

She took a step forward, but the door remained shut. Perhaps Doctor Morsul was treating someone for some embarrassing complaint. Or else he might have been giving young Rikae another checkup. The "Cabin Boy", as Commander Inziladun had nicknamed him, had been found hiding in the cargo hold a few Days out of Beta Pictoris Station, and the doctor was very concerned about the infections he might have picked up in his former life as a orphan living on the streets of the spaceport.

The captain keyed in her override code and entered the laboratory– where she gasped at the sight that met her eyes.

The medical officer was sprawled amidst the charred wreckage of his equipment. It took no more than a glance at the huge blackened hole through his upper torso to tell her that Doctor Morsul was well beyond the reach of his own medicine.

The wound was still smoking. Whoever had done this could not be far away.

A shadow fell across her. Captain McNerwen whirled around, gasping a second time as she recognised the figure who has just stepped out of an inner chamber, carrying a large flame-pistol.

"You!"

"Me," the intruder agreed. "I see you had the same idea as me– they say it's well-nigh impossible to detect a Metamorph, but I didn't want to take any chances. I regretted having to kill the doctor, by the way, nearly as much as I'm going to regret killing you."

"Don't fool yourself, alien scum," said the Captain. "We'll catch all three of you before too many Days are out."

"Oh," said the other, "but I'm not a Metamorph, ma'am, just a... sympathiser, let us say. I've been an agent of the Empire for nearly two years now."

"You betrayed your own species? How could you?"

The Traitor shrugged. "It's clear they're going to win this war in the end, and they pay me handsomely, too. Besides, they're really so much more advanced than we are in many ways; I think I'd be supporting them anyway. –And now," the Traitor raised the flame-pistol, "I'm afraid this conversation must come to an end. Goodbye, captain."

The captain reached for her own weapon, but the Traitor was quicker. The last thing Captain McNerwen knew in this life was a searing agony that quickly gave way to the merciful numbness of oblivion.

The Crew

Living
Commander Inziladun –First Officer.
Lieutenant Paranoia –Second Officer.
Lieutenant Sally –Navigator.
Ensign Pitchwife –Communications Officer/Interpreter.
Ensign Blind Guardian –Tactical Officer.
Master Chief Petty Officer Loslote –Chief Engineer.
Chief Petty Officer Keeper of Dol Guldur –Quartermaster.
Isabellkya –Sensor Technician, First Class.
Wilwa –Android Technician, Second Class.
Shasta –Engineering Technician.
Eomer –Security Officer.
wintywinty –Weapons Maintenance Technician.
Rikae –"Cabin Boy" (a thirteen-year-old stowaway).

Dead
Doctor Morsul –Medical Officer and Captain McNerwen. –shot by Traitor on Night One.

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Day One has begun. You may now post.

Blind Guardian

06-10-2010, 10:10 PM

WAKE UP EVERYONE!! WAKE UP!! *rings bell scaring everyone into waking* get your lazy butts out of bed! *walks off angry, for I have not eaten breakfast yet. I'm real grumpy before breakfast*

Loslote

06-10-2010, 11:25 PM

I've been looking at the engine, and I've noticed several problems. The R/A/M is at 73 while the Jiroscopic Beoneedle is pointed due east and the HTV channel is completely fuzzed out but in a pattern that is eerily similar to the YCT pattern of the NBC fuzz during the disaster of 2089. The Nissota has hit googleplex levels, and the Honeral Motiff has dropped to only 38% of optimum value. No levels of cadmium have been detected in the cadmium storage unit, which means that the Cadmistic Ignitor has lost all fuel and no longer produces output of any sort, so that the Verostile Xerox has lost power. Casualties among the treadmill mice have soared, with only 17% surviving, and all of those grey mice as opposed to the higher producing white mice. The wires connecting the Yesox Imput and the Hasalblad Generator have frayed, causing random jolts of electricity to the Knickerbocker Machine that fry any undergarments currently inside. This causes all of the crew to be forced to wear smelly undergarments. Hasardous toxic waste from the oceanic waste dump has leaked into the Beatific NFC, so that the NFC can no longer produce the RKI needed to power the Y2K. If there's no Y2K, then the programing for the ZIDRAM will crash, causing power failures among the JZs.

Moreover, the engine's broke.

Blind Guardian

06-10-2010, 11:58 PM

Oh God. Nevermind, everyone go back to sleep. You're going to need it after reading that! So, Mastermind, what do we do?? I wonder if we have power to flush the toilets!?

Loslote

06-11-2010, 12:05 AM

So, Mastermind, what do we do?? I wonder if we have power to flush the toilets!?

Well, that depends upon several factors. In order to flush toilets, the VTW has to be at 80% or higher. Unfortunately, the QTP cut out due to unforseen failure of the Biseral Voltage, which lowered the VTW to a mere 72%. Unless the TP scores can be raised to at least 650 on ALL facets, the toilets will be unflushable. That is, they'll flush, but they won't actually drain. Just, you know, flood.

By the way, don't go in the downstairs bathroom...

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 12:16 AM

Well, that depends upon several factors. In order to flush toilets, the VTW has to be at 80% or higher. Unfortunately, the QTP cut out due to unforseen failure of the Biseral Voltage, which lowered the VTW to a mere 72%. Unless the TP scores can be raised to at least 650 on ALL facets, the toilets will be unflushable. That is, they'll flush, but they won't actually drain. Just, you know, flood.

I have 4 Energizer Rechargeable batteries! And I hid some car batteries downstairs a few years back.

By the way, don't go in the downstairs bathroom...

Oh brother...

Loslote

06-11-2010, 12:22 AM

I have 4 Energizer Rechargeable batteries! And I hid some car batteries downstairs a few years back.

Alas, Energizer Rechargable Batteries would throw off the delicate STV balance of the HYZs. Car batteries might work if not for the offsetting Gemitode Resistance Lobe. You offer is noble, but I'm afraid all the batteries would do is override the system and cause the NPQs to malfuntion. :(

EDIT: I swear I didn't notice that one of the abbreviations was STD. :eek:

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 12:27 AM

Alas, Energizer Rechargable Batteries would throw off the delicate STV balance of the HYZs. Car batteries might work if not for the offsetting Gemitode Resistance Lobe. You offer is noble, but I'm afraid all the batteries would do is override the system and cause the NPQs to malfuntion. :(

Oh well, I tried. Well I'm going to go poop (yeah in that downstairs toilet) then go to bed.

EDIT: I swear I didn't notice that one of the abbreviations was STD. :eek:

What's wrong with that?

Loslote

06-11-2010, 12:32 AM

What's wrong with that?

...if you don't know, I really don't want to explain it.

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 12:38 AM

...if you don't know, I really don't want to explain it.

*Googles* ohhhh, nevermind.

Edit: I knew that, just didn't realize it. *yawns*

Loslote

06-11-2010, 12:47 AM

*yawns*

Go to sleep, silly! :p *channels Sally the Sleep Police Chief* ;)

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 02:16 AM

I've already got cabin fever with you lot.

My vote will likely be for Blind Guardian. He/she is very suspicious.

satansaloser2005

06-11-2010, 04:51 AM

...if you don't know, I really don't want to explain it.

This.

Go to sleep, silly! :p *channels Sally the Sleep Police Chief* ;)

Sorry I was....erm, I was enforcing the laws to myself. I went to sleep before DL, in fact. :eek: But I'm up now and will be around (in some capacity) for the next hour or so.

So....if we're going to get out of this we need to charter a course toward some sort of authority (police, Shadow Proclamation, the Alliance, etc.). Assuming we can get moving, of course. But still, I want to be prepared in the instance that we can go somewhere. We don't need to be wasting time once we get ourselves mobile, not with these metamorphs skulking about. So I'll be in my bunk, chartering a course into the deep realms. (Don't even think about it.) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD_xWrhZ8yI&feature=related) I only have one question.

Which way's left?

Nerwen

06-11-2010, 05:22 AM

I am making an unplanned change to the rules. I've already put this on the Admin thread, but I'm posting it here as well, just to make sure everyone sees it:

As part of their training, Terran Intelligence agents receive deep conditioning which means they may NOT reveal (except to each other), even when faced with lynching. The only exception is the Telepath, who may reveal in order to point out a Metamorph, but for no other reason (can't reveal to save self or to stop an innocent being lynched).

*goes back to being dead*

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 07:33 AM

Reporting for duty.

Fascinating analysis so far, Chief Lottie, if a little verbose. A Funadalkn of Alpha Goombae VI probably would have summed up our situation with the single word Mourshput!.

But in case you haven't noticed it, being engrossed in testing the machinery, not only is the engine broke, but the Captain and Bones - er, Doctor Morsul I mean - have been brutally murdered, and according to that holographic message the Captain recorded before her death (I suppose you've all seen that?), we've been infiltrated by three Metamorph saboteurs posing as crewmembers. Any comments on that?

Our Security Officer at least seems to be trying to pinpoint the imposters - good. But would you please care to explain, Eomer, what in particular you find suspicious in Ensign Guardian's behaviour?

EDIT: the usual pedantic formatting.

Inziladun

06-11-2010, 07:47 AM

Hmm. The priority here must remain getting the comm systems up. Communication with Terran Command is paramount. They must be advised of our situation.
The engines must be repaired also, Chief Engineer Lottie. Odd how that problem suddenly occurred out of nowhere. Any explanations for the cause of the engine issues?

I've already got cabin fever with you lot.

My vote will likely be for Blind Guardian. He/she is very suspicious.

That's a rather pointed accusation, Security Officer Eomer. I'd have wondered if you were merely making a joke, but I saw no trace of a smile when you uttered those words.

I am making an unplanned change to the rules. I've already put this on the Admin thread, but I'm posting it here as well, just to make sure everyone sees it:

As part of their training, Terran Intelligence agents receive deep conditioning which means they may NOT reveal (except to each other), even when faced with lynching. The only exception is the Telepath, who may reveal in order to point out a Metamorph, but for no other reason (can't reveal to save self or to stop an innocent being lynched).

Unfortunate. That's going to make it very difficult for the Intel agents to save themselves under the threat of Metamorph plots to engineer suspicion against them.

x/d with Ensign Pitch

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 07:47 AM

I think it's perfectly obvious Pitchwife. I don't even blame the cabin fever. String him/her* up!

*a few people I'm not familiar with in this game so I'll be using 'him/her' until corrected. :)

wilwarin538

06-11-2010, 07:57 AM

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 08:14 AM

Hmm. The priority here must remain getting the comm systems up. Communication with Terran Command is paramount. They must be advised of our situation.
Yes sir, Tech Izzy's already working on it. I'll check our supply of emergency beacons; hope those haven't been tampered with as well. Too bad we don't carry any hyperspace courier drones - too expensive for a ship of our class, I suppose.

Unfortunate. That's going to make it very difficult for the Intel agents to save themselves under the threat of Metamorph plots to engineer suspicion against them.
Indeed. Also, it could have been quite an advantage for us if the Assassin could have revealed at a later time and tell us who has been hunted and survived, effectively giving us a few known innocents. Too bad, but it can't be helped.

Eomer - maybe it's obvious and I'm too daft to see it, or maybe it isn't, or maybe you haven't got anything and are just 'stirring the pot', or maybe... Which is it?

EDIT: fixed format again.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 08:19 AM

Indeed. Also, it could have been quite an advantage for us if the Assassin could have revealed at a later time and tell us who has been hunted and survived, effectively giving us a few known innocents. Too bad, but it can't be helped.

This. Nerwen's just balanced the game which seems fair to me. Wilwa's point is also good; though false reveals may be entertaining, it's fine that we won't have to worry about them.

Nerwen

06-11-2010, 08:48 AM

This. Nerwen's just balanced the game which seems fair to me.

Yes– I started to worry that there were just too many ways for the Metamorphs to be caught purely by elimination, which hardly seems fair when the gifteds are already so powerful.

Wilwa's point is also good; though false reveals may be entertaining, it's fine that we won't have to worry about them.

What I said only applies to the Intelligence agents. The two secret roles are free to reveal if they choose.

*returns to death*

wilwarin538

06-11-2010, 08:59 AM

What I said only applies to the Intelligence agents. The two secret roles are free to reveal if they choose.

Oh, ok, good to know. We'll have to be careful about anyone who comes out with made up roles then. As well, a Metamorph could come out as the Seer, but since they have to give up a wolf they'd either need to give up one of their own or blame an innocent (which would give them away within a Day). So, I like this rule a lot, it balances it out the game, but also will save us from all the confussion that false reveals can cause.

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 10:03 AM

[...] save us from all the confussion that false reveals can cause.
*is amused*:D

OK, point taken, and also about the balance thing. But as interesting as a discussion of Fleet Regulations (aka rules & game mechanics) can be, shouldn't we get down to finding the Morphs? I'd still like Eomer to explain his 'obvious' suspicion, if indeed that was supposed to be serious.

By the way, according to the personnel files, our two newer crewmembers are Ms Guardian and Mr Noia, I think. (And I'm Mr Pitchwife, for those I haven't met before; but Pitch will do.)

Rikae

06-11-2010, 10:05 AM

Aw, man. False reveals are my favorite. Can't I just have one tiny little false reveal? Puhleez, Ms. Dead Captain? *whines* I don't want to ruin my record of revealing as a gifted in every single game I play.

:confused:

Well, actually, I do have one of the secret roles. I'm the suicide bomber. If anyone votes for me, I explode and take the whole ship with me. Ha!

Hm, alrighty then. Better start tracking down the bad guys. I suspect Sally, because she has the potential to talk too much, and Eomer, because he talks too little. I suspect Wilwa for saying the hunter should never reveal, because I firmly believe xe is quite often more powerful when xe does.
I strongly suspect whoever jumps on me for suspecting the above people for flimsy reasons.
I even more strongly suspect whoever jumps on said person for suspecting me for such a flimsy reason.

That's all for now.

Edit: X'd with Pitch.

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 10:33 AM

Well, actually, I do have one of the secret roles. I'm the suicide bomber. If anyone votes for me, I explode and take the whole ship with me. Ha!
Interesting. What happens if you get Night-killed? Do you implode?:D

I suspect Wilwa for saying the hunter should never reveal, because I firmly believe xe is quite often more powerful when xe does.
In endgames, yes. But otherwise it keeps xem from doing their proper job, because the wolves will know not to touch them (unless feeling suicidal).

I strongly suspect whoever jumps on me for suspecting the above people for flimsy reasons.
I even more strongly suspect whoever jumps on said person for suspecting me for such a flimsy reason.
Well, this being a rather quiet ship at the moment, there aren't such a lot of non-flimsy reasons yet. Talk, people, talk!

wilwarin538

06-11-2010, 10:45 AM

I'm the suicide bomber. If anyone votes for me, I explode and take the whole ship with me. Ha!

Ha ha.

Well, this being a rather quiet ship at the moment, there aren't such a lot of non-flimsy reasons yet. Talk, people, talk!

But, but that's what makes Day 1s oh so much fun. ;)

Uh, I have to go to work now. I'm not going to be back for like 9 hours. Sorry. :( But I will definitely be voting!

Paranoia

06-11-2010, 11:20 AM

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 11:24 AM

Well, actually, I do have one of the secret roles. I'm the suicide bomber. If anyone votes for me, I explode and take the whole ship with me. Ha!

You're obviously lying. The security guards, before boarding, asked each one of us "Are you a terrorist?" so they've clearly got those bases covered.

Although I can't seem to locate my luggage...

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 11:28 AM

Eomer, weren't you in charge of making sure that a situation like this did *not* occur? I further find baseless attacks on Ms. Guardian, as loopy as she is, unwarranted. Please refrain in the future from attacking others without some flimsy reasoning at the least will be met with harshly in the future. And if Ms. Guardian is indeed a metamorph, I get the feeling we'll know before too much longer.

I shall do no such thing. My cabin fever ensures that I will not sit by while people idly speak of subjects other than the lynching of people.

String. Her. Up.

Loslote

06-11-2010, 11:49 AM

Fascinating analysis so far, Chief Lottie, if a little verbose. A Funadalkn of Alpha Goombae VI probably would have summed up our situation with the single word Mourshput!.

But in case you haven't noticed it, being engrossed in testing the machinery, not only is the engine broke, but the Captain and Bones - er, Doctor Morsul I mean - have been brutally murdered, and according to that holographic message the Captain recorded before her death (I suppose you've all seen that?), we've been infiltrated by three Metamorph saboteurs posing as crewmembers. Any comments on that?

Oh my goodness! You're right! *jumps and hits her head on a pipe* Erm, we don't have running water anymore. *tries to patch pipe while being drenched by water*

The engines must be repaired also, Chief Engineer Lottie. Odd how that problem suddenly occurred out of nowhere. Any explanations for the cause of the engine issues?

Magic, of course.

Now, there's a clue here that none of you have noticed yet. Who stands most to gain with Captain McNerwen dead? Her second-in-command, Zil. :eek:

In other, non made-up news, I'm not feeling oh-so-very thrilled with Vanilwuffin. Her posts all seem forced. Particularly this:

Oh, ok, good to know. We'll have to be careful about anyone who comes out with made up roles then. As well, a Metamorph could come out as the Seer, but since they have to give up a wolf they'd either need to give up one of their own or blame an innocent (which would give them away within a Day). So, I like this rule a lot, it balances it out the game, but also will save us from all the confussion that false reveals can cause.

And this:

Ha ha.

But, but that's what makes Day 1s oh so much fun. ;)

Uh, I have to go to work now. I'm not going to be back for like 9 hours. Sorry. :( But I will definitely be voting!

Just a gut feeling, really, but Vanilwuffin is the only suspicion I've got so far.

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 12:10 PM

*is amused*:D

OK, point taken, and also about the balance thing. But as interesting as a discussion of Fleet Regulations (aka rules & game mechanics) can be, shouldn't we get down to finding the Morphs? I'd still like Eomer to explain his 'obvious' suspicion, if indeed that was supposed to be serious.

By the way, according to the personnel files, our two newer crewmembers are Ms Guardian and Mr Noia, I think. (And I'm Mr Pitchwife, for those I haven't met before; but Pitch will do.)

Yes. I am Ms Guardian. Not marryed so can't say Mrs :D

Inziladun

06-11-2010, 12:55 PM

I think it's perfectly obvious Pitchwife. I don't even blame the cabin fever. String him/her* up!

I don't think it is "perfectly obvious" to anyone but you. :rolleyes:

Yes sir, Tech Izzy's already working on it. I'll check our supply of emergency beacons; hope those haven't been tampered with as well. Too bad we don't carry any hyperspace courier drones - too expensive for a ship of our class, I suppose.

No, we aren't equipped with the drones. Only the capital ships have them.

In endgames, yes. But otherwise it keeps xem from doing their proper job, because the wolves will know not to touch them (unless feeling suicidal).

I agree with this, but at any rate the question of the agents' revealing, Telepath excepted, is an academic one at this point.

*coughs* Eomer, weren't you in charge of making sure that a situation like this did *not* occur? I further find baseless attacks on Ms. Guardian, as loopy as she is, unwarranted. Please refrain in the future from attacking others without some flimsy reasoning at the least will be met with harshly in the future. And if Ms. Guardian is indeed a metamorph, I get the feeling we'll know before too much longer.

Good to hear from our Second Officer. Why though, do you say we shall know of Tactical Officer Guardian's true nature soon? The only one accusing her is Security Officer Eomer, and for whatever reason, he doesn't seem too inclined to further explain himself.

*Also, Rikae must be metamorph scum, hiding under a convenient guise of being a stowaway. *eyetwitch*

It would have been a clever way of getting a Metamorph on board, but it seems a tad too obvious, with no other evidence to go on.

Oh my goodness! You're right! *jumps and hits her head on a pipe* Erm, we don't have running water anymore. *tries to patch pipe while being drenched by water*

Perhaps the technician, Shasta will repair it when he arrives. And maybe not break anything else in the process.

Now, there's a clue here that none of you have noticed yet. Who stands most to gain with Captain McNerwen dead? Her second-in-command, Zil. :eek:

I have, of course, assumed command of the ship (per Terran Galactic Fleet Command Regulation # 421.3) upon the death of Captain McNerwen. And no one should be above suspicion here, including me. But it would seem a rather clumsy plan that had me killing the captain and succeeding her in command.

And you suspect our Android Tech Wilwa, do you? For seeming forced? Hmm.

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 01:04 PM

Wait, the seer/telepath can reveal when ever? Wha? I thought Nerwen said no one could, regardless. Until, of course, they are threatened with death by Wolfie...

Loslote

06-11-2010, 01:05 PM

I don't think it is "perfectly obvious" to anyone but you. :rolleyes:

~~~

I have, of course, assumed command of the ship (per Terran Galactic Fleet Command Regulation # 421.3) upon the death of Captain McNerwen. And no one should be above suspicion here, including me. But it would seem a rather clumsy plan that had me killing the captain and succeeding her in command.

And you suspect our Android Tech Wilwa, do you? For seeming forced? Hmm.

Eomer's suspicion does seem a bit wacky, but I don't think a wolf would draw attention to themselves like that. In my mind, a wolf would have at least said he was joking when he fell under suspicion for it.

I don't suspect Zil, either. He seems innocent to me. This is, of course, gut feeling - there's little to go on Day 1.

EDIT: xed with BeiGe.

Loslote

06-11-2010, 01:06 PM

Wait, the seer/telepath can reveal when ever? Wha? I thought Nerwen said no one could, regardless. Until, of course, they are threatened with death by Wolfie...

The seer can only reveal if they've dreamed of a wolf.

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 01:36 PM

Back on the bridge after a visit to the galley. At least the foodvends are still working (as of now, that is, so don't let Chief Lottie near 'em!;))

Speaking of which,
Now, there's a clue here that none of you have noticed yet. Who stands most to gain with Captain McNerwen dead? Her second-in-command, Zil.
Come on! As if we didn't know that he liked being her Number One so much that he's already turned down three offers by Terran Command to give him a ship of his own...;)

Just a gut feeling, really, but Vanilwuffin is the only suspicion I've got so far.
That's the problem with discussing game mechanics: it can be useful, giving people something to talk about on Day 1, and sometimes is indeed necessary, but it's also something to hide behind if you're trying to look helpful but are reluctant to actually suspect somebody.
So much in general. As for wilwa, don't know... Though it seems to me that a Morph has more reason to be happy about the Agents' deep conditioning than anybody else. I'd like to see what she's got to say when she's back, if I manage to stay awake that long.

Eomer's suspicion does seem a bit wacky, but I don't think a wolf would draw attention to themselves like that. In my mind, a wolf would have at least said he was joking when he fell under suspicion for it.
I see your point, and his unexplained persistence in the matter is an enigma to me. Anyway, much as I'd appreciate something more substantial than one-liners from him, I don't want to focus on him all Day. Besides, some of our other comrades have yet to speak up.

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 01:47 PM

Speaking of speaking up, Ms Guardian, what do you have to say to Eomer's accusation?

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 02:08 PM

Speaking of speaking up, Ms Guardian, what do you have to say to Eomer's accusation?

I think she/he's crazy. Why would you choose someone new to be a wolf twice in a row? Big coincidence yeah? Besides, this game I know I'm not a wolf so I don't have to pretend. Thus, I can ignore :P

edit: I'm still here, just going to walk my dog and do the dishes.

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 02:23 PM

I think she/he's crazy. Why would you choose someone new to be a wolf twice in a row? Big coincidence yeah? Besides, this game I know I'm not a wolf so I don't have to pretend. Thus, I can ignore :P

edit: I'm still here, just going to walk my dog and do the dishes.
1. He.
2. For all we know, roles were assigned randomly rather than chosen. So big coincidence yes, impossible no. And I'm not saying you're a wolf, I'm just trying to get you to talk.
3. Fine, ignore Eomer, but there's some other people around who have posted a word or two. What do you think of them? Any idea who might be morphish?
4. First an underage stowaway, now a dog smuggled on board. This ship is becoming rather crowded. What happened to intruder alerts?:p

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 03:28 PM

1. He.
2. For all we know, roles were assigned randomly rather than chosen. So big coincidence yes, impossible no. And I'm not saying you're a wolf, I'm just trying to get you to talk.
3. Fine, ignore Eomer, but there's some other people around who have posted a word or two. What do you think of them? Any idea who might be morphish?
4. First an underage stowaway, now a dog smuggled on board. This ship is becoming rather crowded. What happened to intruder alerts?:p

iunno. It would just be weird. Two times in a row. Blame me, go ahead. I tell you I'm not a wolf. I think the people blaming me are morphish :D
yep. Hotdogs his name. I think the morphish thing turned them off. Well right now the powers off so we could be attacked and not know it.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 03:32 PM

Few bites thus far. :p

Nothing happening at all actually! Slightly uncertain about Inziladun who's experienced enough to know all yer Day One tricks and shenanigans, but didn't show it.

Ach weel, let's try something else. :cool:

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 03:33 PM

By the way, not all of us followed the last game. Or the game before that. :p

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 03:51 PM

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 04:02 PM

Inziladun – very suspicious, though makes more points than most. Keep for now.

Paranoia –very suspicious. Didn't like my baseless accusation of Blind Guardian but was happy enough shouting at Rikae.

Sally – suspicious. I would probably lynch her.

Pitchwife – suspicious, but makes some fair points. Keep alive now, lynch later.

Blind Guardian – offers nothing so far. Probably has an evil secret and is scared of letting it slip. Lynch her.

Loslote – keep alive. She seems decent enough so far.

Keeper of Dol Guldur – Probably evil, and that's why no show so far. Well, you're plan of getting all the innocents to fight among themselves has backfired - because no-one's accusing anybody! Ha!

Isabellkya – Don't trust her one little bit.

Wilwa - I like Wilwa. She can stay.

Shasta – Some people you can tell are evil just by looking at them.

wintywinty – this cannot be a real person. I wouldn't let it on my ship.

Rikae- benefit of the doubt so far but she's pretty suspicious as usual.

--------------

Plenty candidates for my vote then.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 04:13 PM

I have no problem talking to myself. :p

This is pretty interesting in one regard at least. I think there's usually no reason for wolves to 'show themselves' on Day One; it's perfectly easy to hide in the background and survive a couple of days at least. That's why I often look for wolves (say, maybe 2 of the 3) as lurking in the shadows on Day One. They'll make an appearance, for sure, but basically not say anything.

It's hard to say how that will go (at this moment) because the deadline means I'll probably be the first to vote. We'll see tomorrow.

I forget where Rikae is living nowadays ( :p ) and the US/Europe time divide, but she certainly fits the description of just popping in, in a perfunctory manner, and slipping away.

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 04:20 PM

iunno. It would just be weird. Two times in a row. Blame me, go ahead. I tell you I'm not a wolf. I think the people blaming me are morphish :D
Repeat: I'm not blaming you, I'm not saying you're a wolf (Eomer is the only one who has done that so far). I'm trying to provoke you to say something more than 'I'm not a wolf' in order to help me form an independent opinion of you.
Stating your opinions of other crewmembers would be a good starting point.

Like this, for example (complying with my own request):

Trust (as of now, with due caution)
Zil - sensible and level-headed, if somewhat quiet, but that's how he is. If a morph, then a cautious one, but no evidence to that effect up to now.
Lottie - now she's switched from techno-babble to wolf-catching mode, she looks like herself and allright to me.
sally - some more reservation, as there's only one post from her, but that one looks plain sallyish.

Undecided
BG (BeeGee?:p) - some posts, but little of any solid contents to go on.
Noia - liked his energetic entry, but hoped he'd follow it up with some more input. His suspicion of Rikae was clearly meant as a joke. Rebuked Eomer for unreasoned suspicion, which I quite agree with, but pardon me sir, that was an awfully obvious thing to say...
Rikae - one post, hard to say how much of it was joking and what (if any) wasn't. Where has she gone?

Not trusting so much
wilwa - I think I see where Lottie's suspicion of her is coming from, and see my #39 above, but since she seems to be having time issues, I'd be reluctant to vote her unless she comes back and does something more morphish while I'm still awake.
Eomer - as I've said above, an enigma; if not a morph, he should realize that he's making it rather hard for us to trust him.

No show, therefore no idea (and eligible to be lynched for submarining faute de mieux)
Izzy
Shasta
winty
Keeperandir of Dol Mira

Suspicious
Any of the above to be moved into this category with a little more to go on.

(sort of x-ed with a lot of Eomers while writing and before posting. That's much better - move him into the Undecided category.)

satansaloser2005

06-11-2010, 04:27 PM

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 04:27 PM

Pitch, I was just trying to get some argument flowing. That's all. It wasn't too productive but I believe that's because not many people have been around! :)

Really have to go to bed now so must vote. I give myself 3 minutes to decide.

Isabellkya

06-11-2010, 04:28 PM

Heh. Anyone know where the manual for the Communications system is? xD

I was actually looking forward to seeing a fake reveal... would've been quite entertaining I imagine. ;)

Thinking someone couldn't be a metamorph because 'a metamorph would never do something that suspicious, or that x' .. doesn't necessarily work. Because a metamorph is obviously capable of anything.. add to that the specific player..

Uhm Pitch.. I'm always a submarine... xD

Eomer of the Rohirrim

06-11-2010, 04:32 PM

Bah! Sally concocts the perfect way to stay alive for a day. No-one will vote her now but it's still pretty suspicious.

++PARANOIA

Just sort of showed up and left and didn't contribute anything other than demanding I cease my openly meaningless case against Blind Guardian. A bit easy, methinks.

Goodnight!

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 04:47 PM

I think there's usually no reason for wolves to 'show themselves' on Day One; it's perfectly easy to hide in the background and survive a couple of days at least. That's why I often look for wolves (say, maybe 2 of the 3) as lurking in the shadows on Day One. They'll make an appearance, for sure, but basically not say anything.
OK, but there's also loudmouth wolves, and the occasional cub who's so excited to be furry they just can't stop themselves talking, even if they don't say anything. It seems BG was such a one last game, but how probable is it she'd repeat that behaviour pattern?

I forget where Rikae is living nowadays ( :p ) and the US/Europe time divide, but she certainly fits the description of just popping in, in a perfunctory manner, and slipping away.
On the US side of the Big Water, I think, so I hope she'll show up and say something more substantial later in what counts as evening for her.

Pitch, I was just trying to get some argument flowing. That's all. It wasn't too productive but I believe that's because not many people have been around!
Well, I thought that might be it, and it worked in a way, so I think you may be safe from my vote for toDay. Good lower case night!

EDIT: fixed quote formatting.

Pitchwife

06-11-2010, 05:04 PM

Btw Eomer, if you're still with us, your vote isn't highlighted.

Keeper of Dol Guldur

06-11-2010, 05:27 PM

Keeper of Dol Guldur – Probably evil, and that's why no show so far. Well, you're plan of getting all the innocents to fight among themselves has backfired - because no-one's accusing anybody! Ha!

Oh snap, you've totally got me sorted. New plan time! :D:p:rolleyes:

So thus far I've just skimmed the posts since I just got back from work and now need noms, but should be back before deadline with something actually worthwhile to say.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-11-2010, 05:46 PM

Isabellkya

06-11-2010, 06:01 PM

Sally..No suspicions on most people? Would that not mean you have some kind of suspicion on the others?

Isabellkya

06-11-2010, 06:30 PM

Deadline is in about 1.5 hours? Or am I miscounting?

Inziladun

06-11-2010, 06:34 PM

Grrrr. So I can't stay to comment more, but I've no suspicions on most people.

That said....

++Sally

Because I have no idea, as I said. Yes, it's a throwaway, as I certainly won't be happy if I come back and am dead, but I'd rather vote myself than accidentally contribute to some innocent's lynch when I don't suspect anyone yet.

Sorry again for this. I'll be back toMorrow (Captain Nerwen willing, that is) and will hopefully be more helpful. Play nicely while Silly Sally's gone. There may be cookies if you're good. :p

1st.: Your vote isn't highlighted.

2nd: You could've abstained then couldn't you? Unless you deliberately didn't highlight so it didn't count, and that's why you're asking forgiveness from our deceased captain?

3rd: I find all that most unhelpful.

Bah! Sally concocts the perfect way to stay alive for a day. No-one will vote her now but it's still pretty suspicious.

++PARANOIA

Just sort of showed up and left and didn't contribute anything other than demanding I cease my openly meaningless case against Blind Guardian. A bit easy, methinks.

Didn't you put Rikae in rather the same light, except she said even less than our Second Officer?

Btw Eomer, if you're still with us, your vote isn't highlighted.

Well spotted, Ensign. Keep up the good work and don't be a Metamorph and there may be lieutenant's bars in the cards for you.

My first project is to restore running water to the facilities - Lottie's head is notably hard.

Thanks, much. I'd like a hot shower.

In any case, down to suspicions. Lottie has a history of being roughly 50% correct in her day one suspicions, and given that Wilwa is Lottie's only real suspicion so far, and given that the second post of Wilwa's that Lottie claims is 'forced' actually isn't (aaaand that this is entirely the style of play that so irritated me last time I played in a game with you, Lottie, dear, so I'm nipping it in the bud now - Stop it, with love, Shasta :p), I don't buy it.

I didn't see much of note with Wilwa's posts either, but Lottie did say she wasn only going off the little that had been said at that time.

Right now I'm suspicious of Sally. Her vote looks precisely designed to not... do much of anything besides discourage other random votes for her.

I can see little use in it, myself.

I also, while reading up to this point, developed a "suspicious" read on either Pitch or Eomer... but for the life of me can not remember which one it was! I'm going to go figure that out now.

Eomer looks worse than Pitch. The former was accusing BG based upon nothing, afterward justifying at as a plot to get people talking. That is possible, but it could have also been the Traitor trying to sow some confusion. Not a Metamorph, I don't think. As he himself said, they'd be unwise to be so bold at this point.

Inziladun

06-11-2010, 06:35 PM

Deadline is in about 1.5 hours? Or am I miscounting?

About 2 1/2 hours, I think.

Loslote

06-11-2010, 06:36 PM

Loslote has a funny feeling about Wilwa, which I'd like her to expand on.

She also has a gut feeling that Inziladun is innocent, and thought I probably wouldn't have said what I said were I a wolf.... uh, alien robot bad guy type.

Ok, she's interesting and contributing at least. Leave her alive for now.

Oh, yes, let's leave her alive for now. Really my funny feeling is just that, a feeling. She's not done anything wrong, persay. I want to see a lot more of her.

In any case, down to suspicions. Lottie has a history of being roughly 50% correct in her day one suspicions, and given that Wilwa is Lottie's only real suspicion so far, and given that the second post of Wilwa's that Lottie claims is 'forced' actually isn't (aaaand that this is entirely the style of play that so irritated me last time I played in a game with you, Lottie, dear, so I'm nipping it in the bud now - Stop it, with love, Shasta :p), I don't buy it.

Eh, I'm trying to be more impartial this time, Shasta, really I am...but what are you actually telling me to do? Not suspect anyone? Somehow, I'm not loving the idea. :rolleyes:

EDIT: xed since Izzy's 58th.

wilwarin538

06-11-2010, 06:44 PM

On my little 15 minute break. Had time to skim.

So when is DL? I thought it was midnight my time, which is in 3.5ish hours. But it isn't? I'm confused...

I don't really want to vote random, cause I haven't had time to really look, especially if the DL is when I think it is.

So I won't vote now. If it turns out I was mistaken about the DL, then sorry for missing it. If I'm right about the DL then I'll be on in about 2 hours to vote.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-11-2010, 06:47 PM

Oh, yes, let's leave her alive for now. Really my funny feeling is just that, a feeling. She's not done anything wrong, persay. I want to see a lot more of her.

Eh, I'm trying to be more impartial this time, Shasta, really I am...but what are you actually telling me to do? Not suspect anyone? Somehow, I'm not loving the idea.

EDIT: xed since Izzy's 58th.

Not at all. Just don't go haring off into the wild... erm... black yonder, twisting nuances of speech and other things to fit your theories like last time, and we're good. :)

Regarding Eomer, I don't really see what's so suspicious about his suspicion of BG (whom I'm not entirely comfortable with, what with her protestations of "I'm not a wolf, I was one last time"). I honestly think it was Pitch that I was initially suspicious of, but I can't figure out why. Maybe it's my psychic powers working for the innocent side this time? :rolleyes:

Funny sidenote - I couldn't figure out a way for that last statement to NOT sound like a subtle Telepath-clue, but it was too good a line to pass up, so I just went ahead and said it. I'm not the Telepath. :p

Loslote

06-11-2010, 06:48 PM

Is the most innocent person you have never laid eyes on:
Lottie!

Relatively Innocentish:
Zil
Eomer
BeiGe (???Nearly In Submarinish Category???)

Relatively Squeamish About:
Shasta
Pitchie
Sally (subject to sudden violent change in placement, as always with Sally)
Noia

Rather Suspicious Of:
Wilwa

Submarineish (Not A Clue):
WWinty
Rikae
Keepandir of Dol Mira (I like the name)
Izzy

May vote Squeamish people or Suspicious person. May vote Submarineish, but only as a last resort. May vote...actually, that's about it

EDIT: xed since my last

Nerwen

06-11-2010, 07:29 PM

This is your (dead) captain speaking:

One and a half hours till DL.

And HIGHLIGHT VOTES!

Loslote

06-11-2010, 07:42 PM

Okay, seriously? No one? :rolleyes: Fine...

++Pitchie

Now make disturbed noises about my vote so I can defend it and at least we'll be getting somewhere, k? :rolleyes:

(By the way, this is not throwaway. He feels off, similar to Wilwa, only more easily labeled - Mr. Agreeable.)

Inziladun

06-11-2010, 07:59 PM

++Pitchie

Now make disturbed noises about my vote so I can defend it and at least we'll be getting somewhere, k? :rolleyes:

(By the way, this is not throwaway. He feels off, similar to Wilwa, only more easily labeled - Mr. Agreeable.)

Well, you won't get 'disturbed noises' from me, as that's better than the other 'votes' thus far (unhighlighted and therefore invalid). :rolleyes:

I still have reservations about Eomer, but it seems I'm the only one.

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 08:14 PM

Most innocent:
BeiGe :P

Relatively Innocent:
Lottie!
Shasta
Pitchie
Zil
Rikae

Relatively Squeamish about:
Sally (subject to sudden violent change in placement, as always with Sally)
Noia

Rather Suspicious Of:
Eomer
Wilwa

Submarineish (Not A Clue):
WWinty

Keepandir of Dol Mira (I like the name)
Izzy

Okay, I did it. Notice I copied Lottie's. Sorry. But in my order.

Loslote

06-11-2010, 08:24 PM

Half an hour til DL, people! If Pitchie dies because he was the only one with a vote, I'll be rather annoyed. :rolleyes: Not to say I'd be annoyed if he died, just that I'd be annoyed if he died for such a silly reason.

So come on, people. Vote, for Moddess's sake!

Nerwen

06-11-2010, 08:28 PM

Looks like I won't be needing Sally McTally's assistance this time...

Complete List of All Valid Votes

Lottie –> Pitchwife.

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 08:33 PM

Looks like I won't be needing Sally McTally's assistance this time...

Complete List of All Valid Votes

Lottie –> Pitchwife.

I'm going to vote for ++Lottie because she's pushing everyone to vote. Very wolfish.

EDIT: For the forth time, hopefully i get it!

Loslote

06-11-2010, 08:35 PM

I'm going to vote for Lottie because she's pushing everyone to vote. Very wolfish.

You've not highlighted. I can't believe I'm pointing this out; this is an insanely bad vote. Not only have you not reasoned, but you're voting for (and the rate this is going, possibly lynching!) an innocent. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Still not normal formatting. Modwen, are you accepting that?

EDITEDIT: Try putting the vote on its own special line. As someone once said, on its own little island of votedom.

Isabellkya

06-11-2010, 08:37 PM

++Blind Guardian

I really fail to understand why you are voting for someone whom you said was 'relatively innocent'.

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 08:38 PM

You've not highlighted. I can't believe I'm pointing this out; this is an insanely bad vote. Not only have you not reasoned, but you're voting for (and the rate this is going, possibly lynching!) an innocent. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Still not normal formatting. Modwen, are you accepting that?

No I did. I tried and tried again. FINALLY I got the fact that that [CODE] is sopost to be [HIGHLIGHT] !!!

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 08:38 PM

++Blind Guardian

I really fail to understand why you are voting for someone whom you said was 'relatively innocent'.

I did?

Inziladun

06-11-2010, 08:39 PM

You've not highlighted. I can't believe I'm pointing this out; this is an insanely bad vote. Not only have you not reasoned, but you're voting for (and the rate this is going, possibly lynching!) an innocent. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Still not normal formatting. Modwen, are you accepting that?

Did you really intend that to be a vote, BG? If so, your reasoning is beyond poor.

x/d with Izzy and BG

Shastanis Althreduin

06-11-2010, 08:39 PM

BG, when you're the only one with a vote, you're going to push others to vote as well. One innocent can't lynch a wolf by his/herself. The reasoning for your vote is entirely specious, and that, combined with your "I couldn't be a wolf twice in a row" defense from earlier is going to end up as follows -

++Blind Guardian

Isabellkya

06-11-2010, 08:39 PM

Loslote. BlindGuardian fixed the tag error. It is highlighted now. Try a refresh?

X'd with BG, Dun, and Shasta.

Loslote

06-11-2010, 08:40 PM

[*highlight]++Blind Guardian[/highlight]

I really fail to understand why you are voting for someone whom you said was 'relatively innocent'.

Good point. I'd forgotten that.

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 08:40 PM

Relatively Innocent:
Lottie!

Oh crud, I did

Isabellkya

06-11-2010, 08:41 PM

BG. According to your #69 post....

Relatively Innocent:
Lottie!
Shasta
Pitchie
Zil
Rikae

..

Rather Suspicious Of:
Eomer
Wilwa

X'd with Loslote & BG

Shastanis Althreduin

06-11-2010, 08:41 PM

I did?

Relatively Innocent:
Lottie!

You did.

Loslote

06-11-2010, 08:42 PM

Loslote. BlindGuardian fixed the tag error. It is highlighted now. Try a refresh?

It's been a work-in-progress for several minutes now.

Nerwen

06-11-2010, 08:42 PM

Lottie –> Pitchwife.
Blind Guardian –> Lottie.
Isabellkya –> Blind Guardian.

See a pattern?:smokin:

I'm almost disappointed next vote wasn't for Izzy.

Shasta –> Blind Guardian (2).

Shastanis Althreduin

06-11-2010, 08:42 PM

Oh crud, I did

...Is this a confession?

wilwarin538

06-11-2010, 08:43 PM

KK. I'm here, and there's what, 20 minutes left right? I'm going to skim over things quickly and try to come up with something semi logical before I fall asleep.

Loslote

06-11-2010, 08:43 PM

Oh crud, I did

Admitting to your wolvishness? :Merisu:

EDIT: xed since my last...evidently great minds think alike!

Isabellkya

06-11-2010, 08:44 PM

Haha @ the pattern. Dang Shasta ruined it!

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 08:44 PM

...Is this a confession?

No I just realized that that I copied and pasted Lottie under "Relatively Innocent" It was her's that I copied.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-11-2010, 08:46 PM

Haha @ the pattern. Dang Shasta ruined it!

Not on purpose! :(

Isabellkya

06-11-2010, 08:47 PM

I don't get it BG. You had to of moved Loslote to that category of RElatively Innocent - because in Loslote's list, she had herself under 'most inncocent'.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-11-2010, 08:49 PM

I don't get it BG. You had to of moved Loslote to that category of RElatively Innocent - because in Loslote's list, she had herself under 'most inncocent'.

See, I was going to mention this, but like an intelligent person I refreshed this time. :)

Loslote

06-11-2010, 08:49 PM

No I just realized that that I copied and pasted Lottie under "Relatively Innocent" It was her's that I copied.

Eh, Izzy said it first, but yeah. What she said.

EDIT: xed with Shasta...right.

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 08:51 PM

I don't get it BG. You had to of moved Loslote to that category of RElatively Innocent - because in Loslote's list, she had herself under 'most inncocent'.

No I mearly moved it down and re typed the "Relatively Uninnocentish" that she had.

wilwarin538

06-11-2010, 08:52 PM

Ok. So not too much to go on sadly. Sally's self vote is weird, but so sally-ish that it's not really all that suspicious. BG's vote is very weird, her explanation just now almost made sense to me until I went back to Lottie's list and saw that she had put herself under 'Is the most innocent person you have never laid eyes on' not under relatively innocent. Even though all the other headings are the same, so I suppose she could have put her there accidently. I suppose.

Gah.

I'll vote soon then I guess. Maybe for BG, cause it's still weird. Maybe for Sally. Maybe for someone else....

x'ed with peeps who said what I said, haha, I need to learn to refresh more often...

Loslote

06-11-2010, 08:52 PM

No I mearly moved it down and re typed the "Relatively Uninnocentish" that she had.

Does anyone else understand what she just said? Isn't that the same as moving my name to that category?

EDIT: xed with Vanilwuffin

Shastanis Althreduin

06-11-2010, 08:53 PM

No I mearly moved it down and re typed the "Relatively Uninnocentish" that she had.

Except that Lottie didn't have a "Relatively Uninnocentish" category in her list. She had a "Relatively Innocentish" category, but even if you meant to move Lottie into that category it still doesn't explain why you voted for her.

Paranoia

06-11-2010, 08:54 PM

I don't think it is
Good to hear from our Second Officer. Why though, do you say we shall know of Tactical Officer Guardian's true nature soon? The only one accusing her is Security Officer Eomer, and for whatever reason, he doesn't seem too inclined to further explain himself.

It would have been a clever way of getting a Metamorph on board, but it seems a tad too obvious, with no other evidence to go on.

Recall the last time we had a friendly game of werewolf on the ship; the Tactical Officer was quite keen to self destruct during that game, and I bet a metamorph version of her couldn't resist the same urges to act like a plum fool.

Bah! Sally concocts the perfect way to stay alive for a day. No-one will vote her now but it's still pretty suspicious.

++PARANOIA

Just sort of showed up and left and didn't contribute anything other than demanding I cease my openly meaningless case against Blind Guardian. A bit easy, methinks.

Nice omgus there. The only reason I disappeared was because I didn't have much time earlier; I'm generally not around until the evening. I honestly do agree with you on Sally though; experience dictates using a throwaway vote is always a bad idea. The fact Sally voted for herself so she "wouldn't accidentally contribute to any innocent deaths" smacks of... oh what's the word here? It feels as if she is wasting her vote as to not draw suspicion for it later (as in to avoid the usual cloud of suspicion and whatnot that surrounds innocent lynches) and to discourage a bandwagon on her.

Speaking of BG and self destructing.

Most innocent:
BeiGe :P

Relatively Innocent:
Lottie!
Shasta
Pitchie
Zil
Rikae

Relatively Squeamish about:
Sally (subject to sudden violent change in placement, as always with Sally)
Noia

Rather Suspicious Of:
Eomer
Wilwa

Submarineish (Not A Clue):
WWinty

Keepandir of Dol Mira (I like the name)
Izzy

Not only did BG then proceed to vote for Lottie, she also then proceeded to put suspicion onto Eomer, someone who's early suspicions she was laughing off as just being crazy, making her putting Eomer in the suspicious pile rather well.. suspect.

This is making me eat my words earlier, but, based on this and waiting on BG's upcoming roleflip, I'm starting to think the Security Officer is innocent afterall.

++Blind Guardian

Harmless (earthling):
Paranoia

Mostly Harmless(Probable Earthlings):
Shasta - One of the first few to notice BG's glaring slip.
IZZY - Ditto.

Don't Panic (about them, anyway.):
Eomer (waiting on BG to flip.)
Lottie (could go in the panic category soon.)

Panic!:
Sally. (See above.)
BG. (voted for her for reasons above; obviously is going to go in here.)

Everyone else: Not much of a read on them at the moment, unfortunately.

Crossed a whole bunch of times with Shasta, Izzy, Lottie, BG, and Willy? Willwuffins? Willowail? Whatevah.

wilwarin538

06-11-2010, 08:55 PM

Does anyone else understand what she just said? Isn't that the same as moving my name to that category?

EDIT: xed with Vanilwuffin

I get it. She copy and pasted this:

Is the most innocent person you have never laid eyes on:
Lottie!

Relatively Innocentish:
Zil
Eomer
BeiGe

And just put the Relatively Innocentish part right above Lottie's name. So I see what she means.

K, I won't vote for her then, I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt here.

Now, I don't know who to vote for...

Nerwen

06-11-2010, 08:56 PM

4 minutes.

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 08:58 PM

Does anyone else understand what she just said? Isn't that the same as moving my name to that category?

EDIT: xed with Vanilwuffin

FOR GOD SAKES! I mearly took ALL of Loslote's post (which I didn't want to do in the first place) and changed some of it!! Here's mine:

Most innocent:
BeiGe :P

Relatively Innocent:
Lottie!
Shasta
Pitchie
Zil
Rikae

Relatively Squeamish about:
Sally (subject to sudden violent change in placement, as always with Sally)
Noia

Rather Suspicious Of:
Eomer
Wilwa

Submarineish (Not A Clue):
WWinty

Keepandir of Dol Mira (I like the name)
Izzy

Okay, I did it. Notice I copied Lottie's. Sorry. But in my order.

Here's her's:

Is the most innocent person you have never laid eyes on:
Lottie!

Relatively Innocentish:
Zil
Eomer
BeiGe (???Nearly In Submarinish Category???)

Relatively Squeamish About:
Shasta
Pitchie
Sally (subject to sudden violent change in placement, as always with Sally)
Noia

Rather Suspicious Of:
Wilwa

Submarineish (Not A Clue):
WWinty
Rikae
Keepandir of Dol Mira (I like the name)
Izzy

May vote Squeamish people or Suspicious person. May vote Submarineish, but only as a last resort. May vote...actually, that's about it

EDIT: xed since my last

WHAT"S SO WRONG?!? WHAT DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND!?!?

Loslote

06-11-2010, 08:58 PM

Nice omgus there. The only reason I disappeared was because I didn't have much time earlier; I'm generally not around until the evening. I honestly do agree with you on Sally though; experience dictates using a throwaway vote is always a bad idea. The fact Sally voted for herself so she "wouldn't accidentally contribute to any innocent deaths" smacks of... oh what's the word here? It feels as if she is wasting her vote as to not draw suspicion for it later (as in to avoid the usual cloud of suspicion and whatnot that surrounds innocent lynches) and to discourage a bandwagon on her.

This makes perfect sense in theory, except for the fact that Sally doesn't play by common sense rules. You'll get used to her eventually. :p

Also, Wilwa? That still doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Sorry, dear, but you still look suspicious to me.

Inziladun

06-11-2010, 09:00 PM

++Blind Guardian

Paranoia

06-11-2010, 09:00 PM

I get it. She copy and pasted this:

Is the most innocent person you have never laid eyes on:
Lottie!

Relatively Innocentish:
Zil
Eomer
BeiGe

And just put the Relatively Innocentish part right above Lottie's name. So I see what she means.

K, I won't vote for her then, I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt here.

Now, I don't know who to vote for...

That still doesn't make sense; There'd be no reason to put Lottie in the relatively innocent category; she would have deleted everything from the list and then put in new names in as she went along. The explanation just doesn't add up. It feels more like she was trying to go along with whatever everyone else was doing without really contributing, which is something she's done last game. If anything, her "Grrr lottie's making people vote grr she must be a metamorph!" post and vote makes her even worse in conjecture with this, because people not voting, and therefore attracting the mod's ire, is even worse for us in this bloody ship when the modkills start piling up.

Loslote

06-11-2010, 09:00 PM

WHAT"S SO WRONG?!? WHAT DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND!?!?

I don't know about the rest of this crazy crew, but I don't understand how you could put my name in a whole different category and not notice.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-11-2010, 09:00 PM

The point, BG, is that you voted for Lottie after clearly labeling her in your list as "innocentish". Even if you did make a mistake and put her in the wrong category, the category you said you meant to put her in doesn't even exist on Lottie's list.

wilwarin538

06-11-2010, 09:01 PM

Gah, just lost my post.

I get what BG's trying to say, even if I can't explain myself, so I'm not gonna vote for her.

For lack of nothing better:

++Sally

Nerwen

06-11-2010, 09:02 PM

Deadline. Votes timestamped later than 3:00 are not counted.

Loslote

06-11-2010, 09:02 PM

Gah, just lost my post.

I get what BG's trying to say, even if I can't explain myself, so I'm not gonna vote for her.

For lack of nothing better:

[*highlight]++Sally[/highlight]

Gah...if BeiGe is a wolf, then I don't think Vanilwuffin can be. This is too blatant.

EDIT: xed with Modwen...oopsie!

Blind Guardian

06-11-2010, 09:07 PM

OH FOR GOD SAKE I"M THE SEER! THE TELEPATH! NICE GOING!!

Now I'm going to go cry...

Inziladun

06-11-2010, 09:08 PM

DL. Silence.

Nerwen

06-11-2010, 09:10 PM

BG, no-one is officially dead until I say so.

So let me say so now: You're dead.

There.

Nerwen

06-11-2010, 10:45 PM

Death of a Telepath

The crew of the Lothlórien– at least those who could be spared from their duties– gathered on the bridge to discuss their alarming situation. Well, most of them did, though Ensign Blind Guardian was more concerned with her breakfast and MCPO Loslote was so worried about the engine that she had scarcely noticed the double murder.

Argue as they might, they could hit upon no way of detecting a Metamorph– except by killing it, of course. At first the full import of the Captain's words had not really sunk in, but as the Day progressed and the talk failed to, the crew began to look at each other askance. It could, they realised, be anyone...

"Now, there's a clue here that none of you have noticed yet," said MCPO Loslote. "Who stands most to gain with Captain McNerwen dead? Her second-in-command, Zil."

"I don't suspect anyone," remarked Lieutenant Sally vaguely, "except perhaps me. Yes, I definitely think we should lynch me toDay. Or not. Which way's left?"

"If that's not the real Lieutenant, it's certainly done its homework," Loslote muttered under her breath.

"Ensign Guardian looks very suspicious," said Eomer, narrowly eyeing the Lothlórien's newest recruit. The Security Officer would give no reason for this statement, but the young Ensign's nervous manner attracted more and more attention.

"Ensign, what do you have to say to Eomer's accusation?" asked Pitchwife, the Communications Officer.

"He's crazy! I know I'm not a morph! Let me go and walk my dog!"

"Well, then, stating your opinions of other crewmembers would be a good starting point."

"Er... um...I'm pretty sure Chief Engineer Loslote's innocent," said the Tactical Officer quickly. "No, wait, she's a Metamorph! Kill her!"

"Ma'am, you just said you thought she was innocent!" Technician Isabellkya pointed out.

"Oh, crud, I did!" Blind Guardian wailed.

Taking this for a confession, everyone drew their weapons and pointed them at the hapless Ensign.

"You've got it all wrong!" the Tactical Officer protested, tears starting in her eyes. "I'm not a morph, I tell you! I'm– I'm THE TELEPATH! Nice going, I was just trying to– AAAARRRRGGHHH!!!!" Blind Guardian clutched her head, as blood poured from her eyes, eyes and nostrils. Screaming, she collapsed to the floor, her body jerking in increasingly violent convulsions. Finally, she was still.

A large dog of indeterminate breed pushed its way through the horrified onlookers, nosed at its mistress and licked her face, but Ensign Guardian did not move. Foam flecked her open lips. Her eyes stared blankly at the ceiling.

The dog sat back on its haunches to emit a long howl of grief and despair.

Terran Intelligence conditioning cannot be broken with impunity.

The Crew

Living
Commander Inziladun –First Officer.
Lieutenant Paranoia –Second Officer.
Lieutenant Sally –Navigator.
Ensign Pitchwife –Communications Officer/Interpreter.
Master Chief Petty Officer Loslote –Chief Engineer.
Chief Petty Officer Keeper of Dol Guldur –Quartermaster.
Isabellkya –Sensor Technician, First Class.
Wilwa –Android Technician, Second Class.
Shasta –Engineering Technician.
Eomer –Security Officer.
wintywinty –Weapons Maintenance Technician.
Rikae –"Cabin Boy" (a thirteen-year-old stowaway).

Dead
Doctor Morsul –Medical Officer and Captain McNerwen. –shot by Traitor on Night One.
Ensign Blind Guardian– Tactical Officer. –Died in convulsions (Telepath).

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

It is now Night Two.

Nerwen

06-12-2010, 09:08 PM

The Plot Thickens

Day and night have no true meaning in space, but on a starship there is a period when the lights are dimmed, when most of the crew sleep– except the few who must remain on duty during the “Night” period.

Security Officer Eomer was one of these, but toNight he was less concerned with his official work than with what he believed was his true calling.

Eomer thought of himself as a hunter.

Once, he had seen it as just a way to supplement his income, but as his skills had grown, so had his love of the chase for its own sake– as had his pride. True, he had earned some respect for his service in the Fleet, but under the name he used in his secret trade he was almost a legend, spoken of with awe as “the best in the business”.

Cautiously, he looked around the corner at a door halfway down the next corridor. There was no sign of movement, and the only sound was the usual faint background hum of a functioning ship, just as it had been during the two hours he had already spent lying in wait. Eomer was just about to resign himself to another long period of waiting, when he became aware of a faint noise on the other side of the door. He tensed himself, raising his gun, as the door slid open.

His finger froze on the trigger. The figure who appeared in the doorway was the right height and build to be the one he was after, but he had certainly not expected it to be wearing a mask, or to be clothed from head to foot in black.

Eomer shrugged briefly and then fired, a direct hit to the head. The frequency of the energy bolt would have been instantly fatal to the type of being he had thought he was hunting, but the masked figure merely swayed a moment and shook its head as if to clear it. Then it darted across the corridor, out of his line of sight. The hunter could hear it softly edging along the near wall towards him.

Eomer made a quick decision and ran for it. Whatever he was dealing with, it was not his particular quarry after all, and he didn’t care for the look of it either.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

The Assassin reached the corner and peered around, his dart-gun held at the ready, but the corridor was empty. He was very surprised.
Someone taking shots at him? It was supposed to be the other way around. And why attack him with an obviously harmless weapon?

“You can wait, whoever you are,” he whispered. “I've got bigger fish to fry..."

He was sure he knew the identity of at least one Metamorph.

As he crept down the darkened passages he smiled to himself behind his mask. The Telepath would be avenged this Night.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Eomer skidded to a halt just in time to avoid crashing into Lieutenant Sally.

“Sorry, ma’am,” gasped Eomer, wondering why the Lieutenant was wearing her EVA suit.

“Eomer!” said the navigator with a delighted grin. “Just the person I was looking for! I’d like you to meet my friends.”

Two other figures, also wearing spacesuits, stepped out of the shadows behind Eomer. Before the Security Officer could react, one of them grabbed him and twisted the gun from his grasp. “Hey, that’s not Galactic Fleet issue! So, it’s true, you’re a bounty hunter! We don’t need their scum! We'd like to take the chance to get rid of this treacherous pest that goes by the name of Eomer before it can do any harm to our beloved crew. They'll thank us!”

“Shh!” said Sally. “I was going for 'sinister joviality', and now you’ve spoiled it! –Eomer, we saw how upset you were at poor dear Ensign Guardian's very affecting funeral, and we thought you’d want to be reunited with her.”

“What, now?”

“Now!” said the Lieutenant, pulling down her helmet visor.

A hand was clapped over the Security Officer’s mouth. Struggle as he might, he was unable to break free from the Metamorphs as they marched him to the airlock from which, a few hours previously, Blind Guardian’s pitiful corpse had been committed to the interstellar depths.

Unfortunately, Eomer was not wearing a spacesuit.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

The Assassin found the one he sought sitting outside a cabin door– clearly waiting for her comrades.

Coward, the Assassin thought, too afraid to kill a sleeping person on your own! Take that!

He fired his dart–gun. The mechanism was completely silent– but his target had glimpsed the movement. With a speed and grace that seemed inhuman, she rolled out of the way, coming to her feet in a fighting stance. The dart stuck in the door, quivering.

Cursing, the Assassin fired again.

“You’ll never get past me, Metamorph!” the other hissed. “I was trained in the sacred martial arts of Mu Arae b, and– what the–?” She stared down at the dart sticking out of her arm. “Hey, this looks like Intel make! –Oh no!” she groaned. “I get it. You’re the bloody Assassin, aren’t you?”

“The Defender?” asked the Assassin, feeling very foolish all of a sudden.

“Yep, that’s me.” The Defender touched her head, remembering the awful fate of Ensign Guardian, but of course nothing happened.

“I’ll be darned.”

They both started to laugh.

“What in Space is going on out there?” called a sleepy voice from within the cabin.

The two agents glanced at each other, and took to their heels, in opposite directions.

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Lieutenant Sally was in a hurry. Her cover role forced her to spend some hours this Night plotting the ship’s course, and the diversion, though pleasant in itself, had put her fearfully behind schedule.

“Out of my way!” she ordered the figure who had just stepped out of a side corridor.

“Oh, no, Lieutenant, I don’t think you’re going anywhere,” said the other.

A chill ran down Sally’s spine. She wished she had waited for her fellow Metamorphs to accompany her.

“So you’re this Assassin-person, are you?” she said, deciding to brazen it out. “And I suppose you’ve somehow got it into your head that I’m a Metamorph? Well, then, fire away– your little darts won’t do me any harm.”

“Darts?" said the figure. “What’s the fun of that?” And it ripped Sally’s arm from its socket.

That was just the beginning.

Sally’s dying screams brought people running, but by the time they arrived on the scene, the navigator could be identified only by the bloody scraps of her uniform. All that remained of her body was a heap of mangled flesh.

And that flesh was changing. Skin turned rough and scaly; fat and muscle took on a strange gelatinous texture; even her blood paled from red to a sickly yellow-white hue.

“A Metamorph!” someone gasped. “But– but who or what killed her?”

[NB. Pronouns used in the narration do not necessarily reflect player's actual gender.]

The Crew

Living
Commander Inziladun –First Officer.
Lieutenant Paranoia –Second Officer.
Ensign Pitchwife –Communications Officer/Interpreter.
Master Chief Petty Officer Loslote –Chief Engineer.
Chief Petty Officer Keeper of Dol Guldur –Quartermaster.
Isabellkya –Sensor Technician, First Class.
Wilwa –Android Technician, Second Class.
Shasta –Engineering Technician.
wintywinty –Weapons Maintenance Technician.
Rikae –"Cabin Boy" (a thirteen-year-old stowaway).

Dead
Doctor Morsul –Medical Officer and Captain McNerwen. –shot by Traitor on Night One.
Ensign Blind Guardian– Tactical Officer. –Died in convulsions (Telepath).
Eomer –Security Officer. –Thrown out the airlock (Bounty Hunter).
Lieutenant Sally –Navigator. –Torn to pieces (Metamorph).

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

It is now Day Two. You may post.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-12-2010, 09:11 PM

Shastanis Althreduin

06-12-2010, 09:12 PM

Also (and I meant to put this in the previous post, but got sidetracked by calling the Moddess a pet name :p), does this mean we have a were-bear of some kind?

Loslote

06-12-2010, 09:14 PM

Two kills, and neither one appears to be from our Assassin (needler/laser thing). Of the two kills, Sally sounds more like she was killed by the Metamorphs (torn to pieces).

Nerwen, love of my life? Mind telling us what Eomer and Sally were?

STOP KILLING MY BUZZ. Here I was, all excited that Assasie'd killed a wolf for us, and there you go being all logical. :mad:

Nerwen

06-12-2010, 09:15 PM

Rikae

06-12-2010, 09:19 PM

Hm. Two kills. I'm going to guess they didn't have special roles, Shasta, since none were listed in the narration.
My leftover comments from yesterDay were that I agreed with Lottie on Wilwa's forced sounding tone, and also that I, along with a few others I don't remember, found Sally's self-vote a bit fishy or even out of character - but apparently the second point is now pointless.
Oh yes, for those who wondered, my older, more female alter ego is in the US - NY, to be specific.
I'll be around in after a work day or a good night's sleep to enlighten all with my great wisdom. OK, to amuse all with my absurdity....
Annoy everyone with my foolishness? Meh.

Oh yeah, and Sally? Post count is MINE. OH YEAH. :cool:

Rikae

06-12-2010, 09:20 PM

Oh yeah, and Sally? Post count is MINE. OH YEAH. :cool:

You bet it is.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-12-2010, 09:23 PM

Rikae

06-12-2010, 09:27 PM

Triple post, page four, and I'd like to add:
that BG-wagon yesterDay was terrible and an example of Day one stupidity at its worst. I know, I didn't vote, it's easy for me to say - but for crying out loud, voting for someone because of such an obvious bit of sloppiness? Does anyone here actually think a wolf would do that, unless an experienced and tricksy enough wolf to do it as a "no wolf would be so careless" bluff? I'm going to have to look more closely at that wagon - though I understand innocents can sometimes commit such egregious
DAY ONE FAILS too. Don't worry, folks, if you're innocent, you have nothing to fear. :p

EDIT: Oh man, no triple post.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-12-2010, 09:30 PM

EDIT: Oh man, no triple post.

Love ya hon. :D

And regarding the BG vote - Rikae, if you'd followed the last game you'd realize that thinking BG was a wolf from the way she was acting... not so much a stretch. :rolleyes:

Isabellkya

06-12-2010, 09:49 PM

It doesn't even need to be compared to her last game. It was the fact that she had voted for someone a few posts after saying she thought them innocent.

Loslote

06-12-2010, 11:09 PM

Wolf Pack:
Wilwa
Shasta/Noia

Probable Innocents:
Lottie (without the probable, of course)
Zil
Izzy

Not A Clue (But Gonna Say...Innocent???:
Keepandir of Dol Mira
WWinty
Pitchie
Rikae

~~~

I'm off to look at The Three I Don't Feel Very Happiful About Right Now.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-12-2010, 11:10 PM

Alright, obviously, Sally was not in fact killed by the Metamorphs.

And Eomer appears to have been one of the secret roles? I don't know what his role was supposed to do, but given that we have an Assassin that hunts the Metamorphs with a special gun, and Eomer had a special gun in the narration, maybe he was the counterpart to whatever killed Sally?

Speaking of, it's looking like we may, in fact, have a werebear. Which immediately makes me suspect Rikae, obviously. :p

Inziladun

06-12-2010, 11:19 PM

Am I the only one who still doesn't quite see what Eomer was? A Bounty Hunter? I don't recall that role in the 'open' list. Was he one of the secret ones? Ah well. I've been awake for going on 18 hours now, so maybe that's something to do with it.

Triple post, page four, and I'd like to add:
that BG-wagon yesterDay was terrible and an example of Day one stupidity at its worst. I know, I didn't vote, it's easy for me to say - but for crying out loud, voting for someone because of such an obvious bit of sloppiness? Does anyone here actually think a wolf would do that, unless an experienced and tricksy enough wolf to do it as a "no wolf would be so careless" bluff? I'm going to have to look more closely at that wagon - though I understand innocents can sometimes commit such egregious
DAY ONE FAILS too.

As Shasta said, BG was acting very much like her lupine self from the previous game. All the same indicators were there. And to me, her reactions after being called on her posting error regarding Lottie's copied list made her look worse.

I don't think it was at all unreasonable to vote BG. Actually, Wilwa's vote for Sally seems to make her look a bit worse toDay. Keeping away from the BG wagon when Wilwa knew she was already done for would have been a very smart move for a Wilwamorph.

x/d with Shasta

Loslote

06-12-2010, 11:21 PM

Hey everyone! I'd like to introduce you to my newest project! *points to odd looking robot standing beside her* His name is B.I.L.L.Y (Biomechanical Intelligent Lifeform Limited to Yelling). I wanted him to be a singing robot, but B.I.L.L.S. is a dumb name. :D

I'll be popping on randomly for the next few hours. Then I have to work. The DL is midnight for me so I'll have to vote a bit early, I'll basically come on for a couple minutes when I get home from work, right before I go to sleep. So toDay won't be the best day for me regarding participation.

I think it's interesting about the gifteds not being able to reveal. For the Hunter it's no big deal, I don't really think they should ever reveal themselves anyway. Kind of goes the same way for the Ranger in most cases. This will also save us from having to deal with false reveals, which is fantastic.

x'ed with Inzil and Eomer

I noticed the "I think it's interesting" line. The whole post sounds hesitant and a bit too careful, as though she's not sure how she's supposed to respond.

Oh, ok, good to know. We'll have to be careful about anyone who comes out with made up roles then. As well, a Metamorph could come out as the Seer, but since they have to give up a wolf they'd either need to give up one of their own or blame an innocent (which would give them away within a Day). So, I like this rule a lot, it balances it out the game, but also will save us from all the confussion that false reveals can cause.

This post doesn't really say much except talk about the new rules. While not evil in itself, it really doesn't say much or give us any handle on her.

Ha ha.

But, but that's what makes Day 1s oh so much fun. ;)

Uh, I have to go to work now. I'm not going to be back for like 9 hours. Sorry. :( But I will definitely be voting!

Doesn't say much.

On my little 15 minute break. Had time to skim.

So when is DL? I thought it was midnight my time, which is in 3.5ish hours. But it isn't? I'm confused...

I don't really want to vote random, cause I haven't had time to really look, especially if the DL is when I think it is.

So I won't vote now. If it turns out I was mistaken about the DL, then sorry for missing it. If I'm right about the DL then I'll be on in about 2 hours to vote.

Talks about DL.

Ok. So not too much to go on sadly. Sally's self vote is weird, but so sally-ish that it's not really all that suspicious. BG's vote is very weird, her explanation just now almost made sense to me until I went back to Lottie's list and saw that she had put herself under 'Is the most innocent person you have never laid eyes on' not under relatively innocent. Even though all the other headings are the same, so I suppose she could have put her there accidently. I suppose.

Gah.

I'll vote soon then I guess. Maybe for BG, cause it's still weird. Maybe for Sally. Maybe for someone else....

x'ed with peeps who said what I said, haha, I need to learn to refresh more often...

Mentions that Sally looked weird, but not suspicious. Mentions that BeiGe's vote was weird but not suspicious, and that she can see where BeiGe was coming from.

I get it. She copy and pasted this:

Is the most innocent person you have never laid eyes on:
Lottie!

Relatively Innocentish:
Zil
Eomer
BeiGe

And just put the Relatively Innocentish part right above Lottie's name. So I see what she means.

K, I won't vote for her then, I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt here.

Now, I don't know who to vote for...

I still don't understand that. In my opinion, this looks a lot like a wolf holding herself out of the incriminating bandwaggoning-against-someone-she-knew-to-be-innocent.

Gah, just lost my post.

I get what BG's trying to say, even if I can't explain myself, so I'm not gonna vote for her.

For lack of nothing better:

[*highlight]++Sally[/highlight]

She actually said she didn't suspect Sally above. By this point it was pretty clear that BeiGe was going to die, so this was a pretty risk-free bit of wolf-on-wolf (if it was wolf-on-wolf).

EDIT: xed with Zil

Loslote

06-12-2010, 11:24 PM

I don't think it was at all unreasonable to vote BG. Actually, Wilwa's vote for Sally seems to make her look a bit worse toDay. Keeping away from the BG wagon when Wilwa knew she was already done for would have been a very smart move for a Wilwamorph.

Yeah. What he said. :p

Loslote

06-12-2010, 11:44 PM

"Arrive"? "Arrive" from where, deep space? I've been here the entire time.

Um... yes.

My first project is to restore running water to the facilities - Lottie's head is notably hard.

In any case, down to suspicions. Lottie has a history of being roughly 50% correct in her day one suspicions, and given that Wilwa is Lottie's only real suspicion so far, and given that the second post of Wilwa's that Lottie claims is 'forced' actually isn't (aaaand that this is entirely the style of play that so irritated me last time I played in a game with you, Lottie, dear, so I'm nipping it in the bud now - Stop it, with love, Shasta ), I don't buy it.

Right now I'm suspicious of Sally. Her vote looks precisely designed to not... do much of anything besides discourage other random votes for her.

I also, while reading up to this point, developed a "suspicious" read on either Pitch or Eomer... but for the life of me can not remember which one it was! I'm going to go figure that out now.

1. Last game* you were a wolf; I don't know why you're reminding me of it...

2. Warns me off my Wilwa suspicion, which if she is a wolf, doesn't look too good for him.

3. Is suspicious of Sally.

Not at all. Just don't go haring off into the wild... erm... black yonder, twisting nuances of speech and other things to fit your theories like last time, and we're good.

Regarding Eomer, I don't really see what's so suspicious about his suspicion of BG (whom I'm not entirely comfortable with, what with her protestations of "I'm not a wolf, I was one last time"). I honestly think it was Pitch that I was initially suspicious of, but I can't figure out why. Maybe it's my psychic powers working for the innocent side this time? :rolleyes:

Funny sidenote - I couldn't figure out a way for that last statement to NOT sound like a subtle Telepath-clue, but it was too good a line to pass up, so I just went ahead and said it. I'm not the Telepath.

No you're not the Telepath. He also doesn't suspect Eomer, and already suspects BeiGe.

BG, when you're the only one with a vote, you're going to push others to vote as well. One innocent can't lynch a wolf by his/herself. The reasoning for your vote is entirely specious, and that, combined with your "I couldn't be a wolf twice in a row" defense from earlier is going to end up as follows -

[*highlight]++Blind Guardian[/highlight]

Votes BeiGe in almost a "OMGUS" move, only it wasn't himself she voted.

You did.

...Is this a confession?

Responding to BeiGe.

Not on purpose!

Banter with Izzy and Modwen.

See, I was going to mention this, but like an intelligent person I refreshed this time.

Banter with Izzy.

Except that Lottie didn't have a "Relatively Uninnocentish" category in her list. She had a "Relatively Innocentish" category, but even if you meant to move Lottie into that category it still doesn't explain why you voted for her.

The point, BG, is that you voted for Lottie after clearly labeling her in your list as "innocentish". Even if you did make a mistake and put her in the wrong category, the category you said you meant to put her in doesn't even exist on Lottie's list.

Responding to BeiGe.

Two kills, and neither one appears to be from our Assassin (needler/laser thing). Of the two kills, Sally sounds more like she was killed by the Metamorphs (torn to pieces).

Nerwen, love of my life? Mind telling us what Eomer and Sally were?

Trying to figure out what the hey happened with the Night kills.

Also (and I meant to put this in the previous post, but got sidetracked by calling the Moddess a pet name ), does this mean we have a were-bear of some kind?

Asks a question we all know isn't going to be answered. ;)

I'll fight you for it, Rikae.

Banter with Rikae.

Love ya hon.

And regarding the BG vote - Rikae, if you'd followed the last game you'd realize that thinking BG was a wolf from the way she was acting... not so much a stretch.

Defends the BeiGe bandwaggon.

Alright, obviously, Sally was not in fact killed by the Metamorphs.

And Eomer appears to have been one of the secret roles? I don't know what his role was supposed to do, but given that we have an Assassin that hunts the Metamorphs with a special gun, and Eomer had a special gun in the narration, maybe he was the counterpart to whatever killed Sally?

Speaking of, it's looking like we may, in fact, have a werebear. Which immediately makes me suspect Rikae, obviously.

Trys to work out the roles.

~~~

All in all, I'm on the fence. If Wilwa turns out to be a wolf, I'd say we should take a good look at him...but also, he says he was suspicious of Sally and never mentions it again, almost as though he was just suspecting her because he was supposed to. But...meh...I don't know...:rolleyes:

Off to look at Noia...

EDIT: *Last game we played together, that is...

Shastanis Althreduin

06-12-2010, 11:47 PM

I'm actually going to chime in on this one (I'm agreeing with Lottie? What?):

I noticed the "I think it's interesting" line. The whole post sounds hesitant and a bit too careful, as though she's not sure how she's supposed to respond.

Wilwa was also the first to point out that we wouldn't have to deal with false reveals (IIRC). She mentioned that it was "fantastic". Now, I've accused Lottie of this multiple times - reads on someone shouldn't depend on one word (and I happen to know that Vanessa's a very ebullient personality <3) but taken together the first thing I thought upon rereading was "she seemed awfully eager to point that out - wolf looking for citizen points?"

Shastanis Althreduin

06-12-2010, 11:53 PM

2. Warns me off my Wilwa suspicion, which if she is a wolf, doesn't look too good for him.

Your Wilwa suspicion was full of holes at the time and you were twisting things to fit your theories, which was reminiscent of earlybad!Lottie from last game. I reacted accordingly. Nerr to you. :p And besides, I seem to have accomplished what I hoped to - you aren't doing it anymore.

Votes BeiGe in almost a "OMGUS" move, only it wasn't himself she voted.

It's not "OMGUS" by definition, since BG didn't vote me, so... I don't see your point here.

Asks a question we all know isn't going to be answered. ;)

The question was rhetorical, and don't try to say we weren't all thinking it. I just gave it voice. ;)

Loslote

06-12-2010, 11:59 PM

A rather large man strolls onto the bridge, rage barely contained on his face. Taking in the friendly banter his right eye twitches for a full hour before he finally begins to speak.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*coughs* Eomer, weren't you in charge of making sure that a situation like this did *not* occur? I further find baseless attacks on Ms. Guardian, as loopy as she is, unwarranted. Please refrain in the future from attacking others without some flimsy reasoning at the least will be met with harshly in the future. And if Ms. Guardian is indeed a metamorph, I get the feeling we'll know before too much longer.

[~~~]

Also, Rikae must be metamorph scum, hiding under a convenient guise of being a stowaway. *eyetwitch*

Asks that Eomer not attack BeiGe baselessly. See his point, even if I can also see where Eomer was coming from.

Recall the last time we had a friendly game of werewolf on the ship; the Tactical Officer was quite keen to self destruct during that game, and I bet a metamorph version of her couldn't resist the same urges to act like a plum fool.

Nice omgus there. The only reason I disappeared was because I didn't have much time earlier; I'm generally not around until the evening. I honestly do agree with you on Sally though; experience dictates using a throwaway vote is always a bad idea. The fact Sally voted for herself so she "wouldn't accidentally contribute to any innocent deaths" smacks of... oh what's the word here? It feels as if she is wasting her vote as to not draw suspicion for it later (as in to avoid the usual cloud of suspicion and whatnot that surrounds innocent lynches) and to discourage a bandwagon on her.

Speaking of BG and self destructing.

Not only did BG then proceed to vote for Lottie, she also then proceeded to put suspicion onto Eomer, someone who's early suspicions she was laughing off as just being crazy, making her putting Eomer in the suspicious pile rather well.. suspect.

This is making me eat my words earlier, but, based on this and waiting on BG's upcoming roleflip, I'm starting to think the Security Officer is innocent afterall.

[*highlight]++Blind Guardian[/highlight]

Harmless (earthling):
Paranoia

Mostly Harmless(Probable Earthlings):
Shasta - One of the first few to notice BG's glaring slip.
IZZY - Ditto.

Don't Panic (about them, anyway.):
Eomer (waiting on BG to flip.)
Lottie (could go in the panic category soon.)

Panic!:
Sally. (See above.)
BG. (voted for her for reasons above; obviously is going to go in here.)

Everyone else: Not much of a read on them at the moment, unfortunately.

Crossed a whole bunch of times with Shasta, Izzy, Lottie, BG, and Willy? Willwuffins? Willowail? Whatevah.

Suspects Sally pretty strongly, which makes him look a bit better. And he makes good points on her, as well as on BeiGe. She turned out innocent, but still, at least one other innocent thought her guilty. So this post leaves me confused.

That still doesn't make sense; There'd be no reason to put Lottie in the relatively innocent category; she would have deleted everything from the list and then put in new names in as she went along. The explanation just doesn't add up. It feels more like she was trying to go along with whatever everyone else was doing without really contributing, which is something she's done last game. If anything, her "Grrr lottie's making people vote grr she must be a metamorph!" post and vote makes her even worse in conjecture with this, because people not voting, and therefore attracting the mod's ire, is even worse for us in this bloody ship when the modkills start piling up.

I don't really know what to think after looking at him more closely. Not really suspicious, not really innocent looking...he makes good points, too...what's a girl to think?

Isabellkya

06-13-2010, 12:01 AM

Loslote

06-13-2010, 12:03 AM

I'm actually going to chime in on this one (I'm agreeing with Lottie? What?):

That's it, he's a wolf! Lynch him! ;)

Your Wilwa suspicion was full of holes at the time and you were twisting things to fit your theories, which was reminiscent of earlybad!Lottie from last game. I reacted accordingly. Nerr to you. And besides, I seem to have accomplished what I hoped to - you aren't doing it anymore.

It's not "OMGUS" by definition, since BG didn't vote me, so... I don't see your point here.

The question was rhetorical, and don't try to say we weren't all thinking it. I just gave it voice.

1. I wasn't really at the time, you know. I'm pretty sure I only made one post about it. ;) Still, I can see where you're coming from...

2. I meant in the retaliatory sense - you voted for her because you didn't like her vote. That's really the essence of OMGUS, isn't it?

3. I know. I was mostly joking. ;)

Loslote

06-13-2010, 12:06 AM

So... Eomer was a secret role.? Defender and Assassin found each other. Sally was killed by.. the other secret role?

I'm not surprised Sally was a baddie; not sure why.

I'm a bit too lazy to check timestamps, but where these posts in regards to Sally/Wilwa made before Sally was revealed as a metamorph? I wouldn't really see a reason for Wilwamorph to be voting for one of her mates, unless it was a preemptive bussing/distancing. However.. who could've predicted Sally would've been eliminated last Night? Obviously, other than whomever killed her.

X'd with Loslote.

Does the Defender know who the Assassin is now? The Assassin'd know, yeah, but was the Defender told?

Vanilwufforph voted Day 1; Sallorph died Night 2. Vanilwufforph wouldn't have known. (I wonder how many stuff we can stick onto Wilwa's name? :p)

Shastanis Althreduin

06-13-2010, 12:07 AM

2. I meant in the retaliatory sense - you voted for her because you didn't like her vote. That's really the essence of OMGUS, isn't it?

I didn't like the reasons (or lack thereof) for her vote. Not quite the same thing. :p And as I recall, that vote was for you! Some thanks. :p

Alright, I think I'm hitting the hay. Good night.

Loslote

06-13-2010, 12:09 AM

I didn't like the reasons (or lack thereof) for her vote. Not quite the same thing. And as I recall, that vote was for you! Some thanks.

Alright, I think I'm hitting the hay. Good night.

Alright, alright, not quite OMGUS vote. I got it. :p

Good Night, O Morphlike One! :Merisu:;)

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 12:19 AM

Does the Defender know who the Assassin is now? The Assassin'd know, yeah, but was the Defender told?

Nope. That's why the Assassin was masked in the narration.

And no, I'm not going to reveal what killed Sally– yet.

Isabellkya

06-13-2010, 12:20 AM

Not sure, but I would imagine so. If the Telepath dreamed of a fellow agent, then they could PM them. Perhaps something similar occurs to the Assassin and Defender. *shrug*

X'd w/ Nerwen. haha.

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 12:23 AM

Not sure, but I would imagine so. If the Telepath dreamed of a fellow agent, then they could PM them. Perhaps something similar occurs to the Assassin and Defender. *shrug*

X'd w/ Nerwen. haha.

Something similar does indeed occur, but it's a two-step process.

Loslote

06-13-2010, 12:26 AM

Something similar does indeed occur, but it's a two-step process.

What? The Defender has to defend the Assassin to know or something? My, my, Modwen, your game is starting to be as silly and confusing as one of Sally's! Almost, anyway. Not quite, but then, it'd be hard to rival Sally's games. :p

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 12:38 AM

What? The Defender has to defend the Assassin to know or something? My, my, Modwen, your game is starting to be as silly and confusing as one of Sally's!
:D

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 01:31 AM

Hello Everybody, I profusely apologize for missing the first day, I simply forgot; and I won't miss anymore.

Loslote

06-13-2010, 01:36 AM

Hello Everybody, I profusely apologize for missing the first day, I simply forgot; and I won't miss anymore.

Excellent; other people exist! (Aka, the Refresh The Page Until Someone Posts Game gets boring. :rolleyes:) Have you had a chance to read through the thread? What are your impressions?

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 01:44 AM

Roles

Evil

Metamorphs (2)
These shapeshifters, native to Wolf-562-e, have infiltrated the crew of the Lothlórien in the opening move of a plot to betray the Terran League to its relentless enemy, the Radiant Empire.

Metamorphs can perfectly impersonate humans (and many other species), but revert to their true forms when killed.

The Metamorphs will secretly murder one crewmember during each Night phase. Once the number of Metamorphs is equal to the number of humans, they will attack them openly and seize control of the ship.

The Traitor
The traitor is a human spy for the Radiant Empire, and knows all about the plot– except for one little detail: which of his shipmates were murdered. Thus, he is as much in the dark about the identity of the Metamorphs as the rest of the crew. The Traitor uses a mental screening device, which protects him from the Telepath.

The Traitor also has one extra option: During the Night phase he may, if he chooses, reveal his role to any other player via pm and ask if that player is a Metamorph. If innocent, the other player may not reveal the interaction, but may of course try to get the Traitor lynched. If the other player is a Metamorph, the Traitor and Metamorphs will be able to pm for the rest of the game. The Traitor can use this option three times.

Good

Terran Intelligence Agents
Due to an administrative screw-up, these three were given no direct way to identify each other.

The Defender
Trained in martial arts, the Defender chooses a crewmember to protect each Night. May not protect the same person twice in a row. May not self-protect.

The Assassin
Armed with a gun that shoots darts lethal to the Metamorph nervous system, the assassin may pick one target every Night. Human victims will be unharmed. The Assassin need not die to make a kill.

However, the Assassin carries the dart-gun only when hunting Metamorphs. If lynched, the Assassin will throw a knife at the target, who will be killed regardless of role.

The Rest of the Crew.
Must try to catch the Metamorphs before it's too late.

Other (1),

There are two secret roles, which are secret.

The Crew

Living
Commander Inziladun –First Officer.
Lieutenant Paranoia –Second Officer.
Ensign Pitchwife –Communications Officer/Interpreter.
Master Chief Petty Officer Loslote –Chief Engineer.
Chief Petty Officer Keeper of Dol Guldur –Quartermaster.
Isabellkya –Sensor Technician, First Class.
Wilwa –Android Technician, Second Class.
Shasta –Engineering Technician.
wintywinty –Weapons Maintenance Technician.
Rikae –"Cabin Boy" (a thirteen-year-old stowaway).

Dead
Doctor Morsul –Medical Officer and Captain McNerwen. –shot by Traitor on Night One.
Ensign Blind Guardian– Tactical Officer. –Died in convulsions (Telepath).
Eomer –Security Officer. –Thrown out the airlock (Bounty Hunter).
Lieutenant Sally –Navigator. –Torn to pieces (Metamorph).

Above is a list of remaining roles and still Alive people. Just to Note, there is only person that is simply a "member of the crew" with no special role.

Just for clarification, the Bounty Hunter is one of the two Secret Roles correct?

Loslote

06-13-2010, 01:49 AM

Just for clarification, the Bounty Hunter is one of the two Secret Roles correct?

Clarification? I think that's what we all want - but alas, our dear Modwen has signed up for the Crazy Rules Race. I don't think any of us have a clue what's going on. :p

But yeah, I think that's what the general concensus agreed on.

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 01:50 AM

Above is a list of remaining roles and still Alive people. Just to Note, there is only person that is simply a "member of the crew" with no special role.

Eh? There are four ordos living, winty. Count again.

Just for clarification, the Bounty Hunter is one of the two Secret Roles correct?

Yes.

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 01:52 AM

So do the Terrain Intelligence Agents have nothing special to do then?

Loslote

06-13-2010, 01:53 AM

So do the Terrain Intelligence Agents have nothing special to do then?

"The Terran Intelligence Agents" is another name for the Assassin, Defender, and Telepath, methinks. :)

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 01:58 AM

Clarification? I think that's what we all want - but alas, our dear Modwen has signed up for the Crazy Rules Race. I don't think any of us have a clue what's going on. :p

The "crazy rule", as you call it, happens to be a little consolation prize for the good side, which I had always meant to bring in if they lost their Telepath before anyone had got in touch (yes, I had qualms making the inexperienced BG the Seer). It's not meant to duplicate the original way of making contact.

X'd since last post.

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 01:59 AM

"The Terran Intelligence Agents" is another name for the Assassin, Defender, and Telepath, methinks. :)

Exactly. You've counted the good guys twice, winty.

Loslote

06-13-2010, 02:02 AM

The "crazy rule", as you call it, happens to be a little consolation prize for the good side, which I had always meant to bring in if they lost their Telepath before anyone had got in touch (yes, I had qualms making the inexperienced BG the Seer). It's not meant to duplicate the original way of making contact.

X'd since last post.

Ohhh. Gotcha. How nice of you! :D

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 02:06 AM

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 02:07 AM

Exactly. You've counted the good guys twice, winty.

Ok, Thanks.

Loslote

06-13-2010, 02:12 AM

Eomer was the first one to suspect Sally of being a Metamorph (Rikae's mention on the first page was nonsense), and then he was killed. If his killing was by the Metamorphs, then it suggests that he was on to something, and perhaps one or both of the other Metamorphs were on his list as suspicious. The other three listed as suspicious were Zil, Paranoia, and Pitchwife.

Later on, Pitchwife's list of suspicion included both Zil and Sally as two of the "trusted", and Paranoia was on his undecided list.

Later on, Eomer votes Paranoia, perhaps another Metamorph, and is killed.

Right now, until further posts can be examined (tommorow),
My top three suspects are Pitchwife, Paranoia and Zil, with Pitchwife and Paranoia at the top.

Huh. That's a good point. I wouldn't think all of them are, in fact, morphs - that would be too good to be true, and no wolf pack would kill off someone with that clear a trail - but it's definitely worth looking into. If anything, we know that he wasn't trying to lead us astray.

As it happens, I rather trust Zil, and am entirely unsure about Noia. Pitchie, though. I agree that he's someone to look closer at. But...it's tomorrow already (past midnight) and I am sleepy. I'll stay up for a bit longer, but I'm not up for any long analysis...so that'll have to wait for later.

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 04:50 AM

So Eomer had a secret role? That sort of fits... Somehow he felt rather non-ordoish to me yesterDay; I even wondered whether his early unrelenting demand to have BG 'strung up' could be an exceptionally blatant Seer-hint and was worried whether I was putting too much pressure on him to explain himself.

But since Eomer's role is now revealed as 'Bounty Hunter', maybe he got a Hunter kill and took sally with him? That's the only other other explanation for her death I can think of, apart from her being killed by the other secret role. Doesn't fit the narration, however, where it seems she was killed by an unidentified figure after Eomer's own death... so probably not.

(Speaking of sally: yeah, I was wrong about her. That happens.)

About that Seer-wagon: having read the last game, I see how her behaviour could have been seen as repeating her wolvish preincarnation, and honestly I'm not sure how I would have reacted to it myself if I'd been around to vote, but I find it noteworthy how everybody (that is, Izzy, Shasta, Noia and Zil) jumped on her blunder like wolves on a tasty bit of lynch-meat, without even considering the possibility that she'd just made a noobish mistake.

Looking at it chronologically (leaving out the bits about vote formatting and patterns; numbers of vote posts bolded):
#69 BG's list, with Lottie as 'relatively innocent'
#72 BG votes Lottie for 'pushing people to vote' (which was a very poor reason indeed)
#73 Lottie points out that BG's 'voting for an innocent'
#74 Izzy votes BG for incongruency between list and vote
#76 BG doesn't get what she's done wrong
#77 Zil: BG's reasoning 'beyond poor'
#78 Shasta explains why BG's reasoning is bad and votes her
#80 Lottie replies to Izzy's #74 that she'd 'forgotten' the incongruency (so I take it that her earlier 'voting an innocent' was not referring to BG's list?)
#81 BG realizes her mistake
#82 Izzy rubs BG's nose in her blunder.
#83 Shasta likewise.
#86 Shasta asks whether BG's #81 was a confession.
#88 Lottie echoes Shasta.
#90 BG tries to explain her error
#92 Izzy doesn't get how BG could have done that by mistake
#93 Shasta echoes Izzy
#94 Lottie likewise
#95 BG further tries to explain herself
#97 Lottie doesn't get BG's explanation
#98 Shasta points out why BG's explanation doesn't fit
#99 Noia votes BG for her Lottie vote and suspecting Eomer after laughing him off as crazy earlier.
#100 wilwa explains how she thinks BG's mistake could have happened
#102 BG doesn't get why nobody gets her explanation
#103 Lottie thinks wilwa's explanation doesn't make sense
#104 Zil votes BG (no reason given, but see his #77)
#105 Noia concurs with Lottie about wilwa's explanation
#106 Lottie replies to BG's #102, still doesn't get it
#107 Shasta explains why he's not satisfied with BG's explanation
#108 wilwa gets what BG's saying, votes sally (2), didn't count.

Reasons given for voting BG:
Izzy - mismatch between list and vote (#74), and that's it; her following posts just repeat the point.
Shasta - BG's reason for Lottie vote (#78) plus the mismatch (#83 and following).
Noia - BG's reason for Lottie vote, her flip-flopping about Eomer plus the mismatch (#99).
Zil - no reason given in vote post, but disapproved of BG's reason for Lottie vote earlier (#77).

Judging from the reasoning, Noia looks best, making the most points against BG, followed by Shasta, whereas Izzy merely jumped on BG's list/vote blunder, and Zil didn't fully explain himself at the time.

Judging from the chronology, it looks like Shasta and Noia picked up Izzy's vote and turned it into a full-fledged wagon, with Zil nailing the coffin (ejection pod, whatever) shut. But note that Shasta's vote x-ed with Izzy's, so he wasn't actually wagoning and looks better than Noia and Zil in that respect.

Sorry if that was a bit repetitive, but I had to get it straight for myself. Need to mull it over now and see how my impressions of everybody apart from their voting resonate with it.

EDIT: corrected typo.

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 05:47 AM

Votes other than for BG:

#50 sally votes herself (not highlighted, didn't count). (For the record, winty, that post came right after my list in which I had her as trusted, and her only earlier post was typical sally early IC banter, so I had no reason to distrust her at the time.) With hindsight, obviously a morphish camouflage manœuver.

#53 Eomer votes Noia(not highlighted, didn't count):
Just sort of showed up and left and didn't contribute anything other than demanding I cease my openly meaningless case against Blind Guardian. A bit easy, methinks.
OK, Noia apparently was busy in RL, but I agree about the 'bit easy' (see my #49 list).

#67 Lottie votes me for 'feeling off' = being Mr Agreeable. (How come I 'feel off' for that when I'm suspected for it in every other game?) Her preceding list had me under 'squeamish' and wilwa under 'most suspicious', but her attitude here looks confident and ready to defend her vote (which I'd like to see her do!), therefore rather innocentish.

#72 BG votes Lottie (see above).

#108 wilwa votes sally (2; after DL, didn't count), having earlier said that
Sally's self vote is weird, but so sally-ish that it's not really all that suspicious.
Four people hadn't voted yet, but given the timing, I have to agree that it does look like a safe morph-on-morph.

wilwarin538

06-13-2010, 06:22 AM

I still don't understand that. In my opinion, this looks a lot like a wolf holding herself out of the incriminating bandwaggoning-against-someone-she-knew-to-be-innocent.

She actually said she didn't suspect Sally above. By this point it was pretty clear that BeiGe was going to die, so this was a pretty risk-free bit of wolf-on-wolf (if it was wolf-on-wolf).

Ok. YesterDay was so frustrating for me. I completely understood what BG was trying to say, I think she honestly put Lottie's name there by accident (the exclamation mark makes it so obvious, Lottie had put that there, why would BG? it was a copy-paste mistake). So I showed up, exhausted after 9 hours of work, and honestly didn't have too much to go on (it was a pretty slow day). BG did originally look suspicious until she explained her mistake then there was no way I was going to vote for her.

I didn't really have too many other options. No Sally wasn't really that suspicious, but she was moreso then anyone else from what I could see. If I had voted BG I would like a bandwagonner taking the safe way out. But I didn't, and now I look bad for happening to vote a wolf (uhm, hello? I voted the wolf, not the Seer). My goodness, no matter who I vote Day 1 I always look bad, I swear it's a conspiracy.

*breathes*

I just needed to vent all that. Now I have to go to Church. I'll be back later and have lots of time to participate.

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 06:28 AM

But since Eomer's role is now revealed as 'Bounty Hunter', maybe he got a Hunter kill and took sally with him? That's the only other other explanation for her death I can think of, apart from her being killed by the other secret role. Doesn't fit the narration, however, where it seems she was killed by an unidentified figure after Eomer's own death... so probably not.
Your deceased Captain wishes you to know that her narrations, apart from being outstanding gems of the literary art, are also highly informative.

In other words, if Morphisaloser2005 and Eomer of the Bounty Hunters had killed one another in the standard way, I'd have said so.

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 06:44 AM

Finally, a look at Eomer's death.
Here's his list in #47 (neglecting the obviously joking references to those who hadn't shown up yet; known morphs bolded, known innocents underlined):
Inziladun – very suspicious, though makes more points than most. Keep for now.

Paranoia –very suspicious. Didn't like my baseless accusation of Blind Guardian but was happy enough shouting at Rikae.

Sally – suspicious. I would probably lynch her.

Pitchwife – suspicious, but makes some fair points. Keep alive now, lynch later.

Blind Guardian – offers nothing so far. Probably has an evil secret and is scared of letting it slip. Lynch her.

Loslote – keep alive. She seems decent enough so far.

[...]

Wilwa - I like Wilwa. She can stay.

[...]

Rikae- benefit of the doubt so far but she's pretty suspicious as usual.

So his top suspects were (in order of ranking):
- Zil ('very' suspicious')
- Noia ('very suspicious')
- sally ('suspicious')
- Pitch ('suspicious')
[- BG, known innocent]
followed with a long distance by
- Rikae ('pretty suspicious as usual')
.
He was not suspicious of:
- Lottie ('seems decent enough')
- wilwa ('I like her, she can stay').

We know he was right about sally, and if there was another morph among his top suspects, I can see the morphs panicking and deciding to get rid of him ASAP. They may also have thought him a possible Agent - not the Telepath, obviously, but either Assassin or Defender.

On the other hand, it would have made sense for either a Lottiemorph or a wilworph to kill him, as it would leave no trail no them and possibly frame one of his top suspects in the process; in this case, I'm inclined to think wilwa, there's more other points against her.

On the third hand, it could have been both these reasons, depending on the composition of the morph pack. That's what I see as most likely.

EDIT: x-ed with wilwa and the Captain (thanks for the clarification).

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 08:02 AM

Isabellkya

06-13-2010, 09:21 AM

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 10:10 AM

As lovely as your 'theory' sounds, Pitch. It looks more like you being a wolf jumping at a tasty bit of meat.

You listed it yourself. BG listed Loslote as 'relatively innocent' in #69. Three posts later, she voted for Loslote. I don't see that as a possible 'noobish' mistake; more akin to noobish wolf yes. In a span of three posts, you somehow forget who you think is innocent, and who is suspicious? Her explanation for how Loslote ended up in that category.. was rather lackluster - not that it entirely mattered at that point.

It seems like you don't fully comprehend my reasons for voting for BG and the implications. If someone makes a mistake like she did - it implies her list of suspicions was fabricated. She did copy it from Loslote. Who would need a fabricated list? Innocent's don't. But metamorphs do.

No, I fully understand your reason, and agree what BG did there would have looked rather wolvish to me as well at the time. But voting her right away without giving her a chance to explain herself?

And I'm not saying that we should concentrate on the BG voters exclusively and ignore everybody else. Like Rikae said, innocents can make bad votes too. But I wouldn't bet that there was no morph at all in that wagon. And given that votes are the best evidence we get in WW, along with the Night-kills, pretending it never happened or blaming it all on BG herself is going to accomplish zip.

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 10:32 AM

I started thinking that too: that Eomer had been hinting he was the Telepath and was telling us he had his first wolf. It seemed less likely after he laughed it off saying he just wanted to get people talking, but that came back to my mind when BG started unraveling at the end of Day

I can't speak for eveyone else, but I considered it. My other candidate was Sally for her self-vote, and I put off voting as long as I could trying to make up my mind. In the end, it was mainly BG's reactions to her mistake ("Oh crud", for example) that looked so much like the WolfG I remembered and the fact that I didn't think there was any way Sally could get lynched at that point, that got me to vote BG.
I remember you also had 'reservations' about Eomer in your #68, but if you thought he might be the Telepath that explains why you didn't pursue them further.
And I've noted the timing of your vote. I think wolves would be more likely to hide in the middle of a bandwagon than give an innocent the first or last vote (unless it's a bold Nerwolf), so that would speak in favour of you and Izzy and rather against Shasta and Noia.

Rikae

06-13-2010, 10:40 AM

Ok, ok. So Sally was evil after all. Ha, I thought so! Now - Shasta and Izzy, no, I wasn't watching the last game, but suspecting someone for being similar to the wolf they were in their first game in their second game doesn't seem quite right, does it? How would you distinguish between Evil-BG and BG in general? Even a fabricated list, as Izzy puts it, doesn't seem that suspicious in day one, nor would a vote based on a quickly formed and thin suspicion. Zil's explanation seems fairly plausible, Shasta and Noia I'm unsure about, but Izzy's defensiveness, and the hastiness of her vote yesterDay, really sets off alarms. On the other hand, Wilwa's distancing of herself from that wagon seemed overly enthusiastic/too good to be true, especially since she voted for a (fellow?) morph. The way she underscores it toDay, and her seeming frustration, could easily be morphish, too - frustration that her plan backfired.
Lottie and Pitch are looking fairly sensible for the time being. Wintywinty's theory about Eomer doesn't really make sense: the morphs knew the seer was dead, and even if Eomer happened to make a few lucky guesses, they would have known those were guesses only and probably avoided leaving an obvious trail by killing him.

Edit: X'd with Pitch.

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 11:14 AM

Thoughts about Noia

#30 Tells Eomer to stop unreasoned accusations (after Zil and I had already challenged Eomer on them, therefore an obvious and easy thing to say). Said Rikae was metamorph scum. (I first read the *eyetwitch* there as a ;), indicating joking, but looking back it was rather his IC face tick - so no joking at all? Unreasoned accusation by himself, in the same post?)

#99 Responds to Eomer's 'omgus' (what kind of newfangled fleet jargon is that?), explains his RL time issues, agrees with Eomer about sally. Votes BG for her Lottie vote, which didn't match the list, and suspecting Eomer after laughing him off as crazy earlier.

#105 Further comments on BG: not satisfied by wilwa's explanation; Lottie 'pressuring people to vote' un-morphish because we have to avoid modkill. Fair point.

All in all, he's a hard one. Hands-on approach and some good points, but telling Eomer not to make unreasoned accusations while doing it himself? His vote on BG looks the most well-reasoned of the four, but I gather he's an experienced player, if new to the Fleet, and therefore perfectly capable of making a good-looking case against an innocent if he's a morph. Also, his #99 looks to me like he was just waiting for BG to screw up and grateful to take the chance when he got it. Makes me very wary of him.

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 12:30 PM

Someone had to die this way

Quartermaster Keeper of Dol Guldur, or Mira as she was known to her friends, sat at the helm console with her head in her hands.

Since the death of the false Lieutenant Sally, all the work of navigation as well as piloting the ship had devolved upon her, and she was starting to feel the pressure. Not only that, but she had been friends with the navigator, so that the Night's discovery had shaken her to the core.

"I just can't take it any more!" she moaned. "I'm getting slammed by work... there's no-one I can trust anymore... it's all too much!" Mira whimpered and beat her head on the instrument panel, at first softly, then harder and harder, chanting, "Too much, too much, too much, too much..." The console exploded in a shower of sparks and flames. Mira was thrown back with terrific force, but it was not until they had put out the fires that swept the bridge that her shipmates were able to come to her aid.

By then, if there had ever been a chance to save her, it was much too late.

All they could do for Quartermaster Mira-Keeper was seal her into a pod, speak a few well-chosen words in her honour, and commit her body to space via the same airlock through which Blind Guardian and Eomer had recently departed.

Back on the bridge, Commander Inziladun surveyed the extensive damage. "Hmm. About how long do you think it will take to get everything running again, Loslote?"

The Chief Engineer launched into a flood of technical gibberish.

"In Terran?"

"Uh– well– that is to say... I don't know, sir."

Inziladun sighed. "I guessed as much. Moving onwards– who else knows how to steer the ship?"

Dead
Doctor Morsul –Medical Officer and Captain McNerwen. –shot by Traitor on Night One.
Ensign Blind Guardian– Tactical Officer. –Died in convulsions (Telepath).
Eomer –Security Officer. –Thrown out the airlock (Bounty Hunter).
Lieutenant Sally –Navigator. –Torn to pieces (Metamorph).
Chief Petty Officer Keeper of Dol Guldur –Quartermaster. –Killed by exploding console (Ordinary).

wilwarin538

06-13-2010, 12:44 PM

OK, about the narration.

So, what seems for sure is: the Morphs killed Eomer (who was hunting the Assassin, but it was unsuccessful). The Assassin was hunting the Defender and somehow found out the Defender's identity because of it, but the Defender doesn't know who the Assassin is. Something else killed Sally. Wow, that's confusing.

I just refreshed the page. Ok, so now Mira's dead. This is crazy. According to the narration it wasn't even like someone showed up and killed her, she just died by freak accident. Going to assume it's the other secret role, or this is Eomer's kill maybe?

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 12:57 PM

Thoughts on Shasta:

#57 Some IC; doesn't buy Lottie's suspicion of wilwa, and says the post of wilwa's that Lottie called 'forced' wasn't so; suspects sally for her Nilp-vote; also suspects either Eomer or me, but isn't sure which (really?).

#64 Doesn't see why Eomer's suspicion of BG is suspicious (it wasn't in my eyes, only his lack of reasoning was), and isn't comfortable with BG himself; thinks he suspects me, but doesn't know why (really really?); says he's not the Telepath (we know that by now).

#78, #83, #86, #93, #98, #107 were all about BG and are already digested in my own #158.
(Bah, I keep forgetting that his vote x-ed with Izzy's, so scrap what I've said in #166 about him in terms of hiding in the middle of the bandwagon. Noia looks worse in that respect.)

#116 wonders about the Night-kills.

#117 wonders if we have a spaceborne Werebear.

#122 expresses his determination to fight Rikae for the post-count (not that she's going to win it anytime soon at the current rate!:p)

#124 reply to Rikae defending the BG votes based on BG's behaviour last game.

#127 still wondering about Night-kills, roles and a possible Werebear.

#132 comes to agree with Lottie's suspicion of wilwa:
Wilwa was also the first to point out that we wouldn't have to deal with false reveals (IIRC). She mentioned that it was "fantastic". Now, I've accused Lottie of this multiple times - reads on someone shouldn't depend on one word (and I happen to know that Vanessa's a very ebullient personality <3) but taken together the first thing I thought upon rereading was "she seemed awfully eager to point that out - wolf looking for citizen points?
Now sorry if I'm confusing something, but isn't that the same post of wilwa's which you earlier said 'wasn't forced'?

#133 reply to Lottie about wilwa suspicion, 'omgus', and rhetorical questions.

#138 reiterates that he voted BG for faulty reasoning in her vote, so his wasn't 'omgus'.

He's hard to pin down either way for me. Suspecting one of two people but not knowing which one and for what? His response to Lottie explaining his conversion to the wilwa suspicion sounds genuine in a way (and I happen to quite agree with said suspicion), but it's still a rather sudden change of mind at a time where he was being suspected by Lottie himself. I generally find it difficult to read him, so a third opinion would be appreciated.

(Speaking of wilwa: If you want me to believe in your innocence, don't just protest it - do something productive.)

(x-ed with the Captain and wilwa.)

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 01:03 PM

Oh Captain my Captain, am I right in assuming Keeper Mira was modfired? ("getting slammed by work", and it was an accident, with no killer involved)

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 02:41 PM

Thoughts about Lottie

I honestly intended to do a post-by-post analysis of our current Queen of the Post Count, but it would probably take me all evening, and I don't quite feel up to it at the moment. What worried me most about her (actually the only thing that worried me) is her involvement in the near-DL discussion about/with BG - it could be seen as increasing the pressure on BG and feeding the wagon without actually voting her (as she'd already voted me), or it could be seen as an innocent honestly questioning BG and trying to make up her mind. Taking in account my general impression of her and her performance toDay, I tend to think the latter. So I'm still more inclined to trust her (and I also happen to agree with her about her top suspects).

Thoughts about wintywinty
#145 Is playing at last.

#146 extensive quote of Fleet Regulations (thank you, I think we've all read that!).

#150 question about the Agents.

#155 tries to make sense of the Night-kill based on Eomer's suspicions (the first to try that, bonus points for that). Suspects me, Zil, and Noia based on Eomer's suspicion list and my own list at #49. Nothing wrong with that, except that an experienced wolf wouldn't have left that clear a trail (as Rikae said above).

Conclusion: Nothing morphish in him so far.

Thoughts on Zil:

He's been very laid back in general, almost keeping aloof, mostly rather reactions to others than taking initiative, but those reactions being balanced and reasonable - which is all very typically Zillish. Only points against him the possibly incriminating Night-kill and final vote for BG, but I liked his response to me about that. I also think a Zilmorph would tend to be a tad more aggressive, so I'm still leaning to trust him.

Thoughts on Rikae
#27 banter about fake reveals and secret roles, joking suspicions of sally and Eomer; not-so-joking suspicion of wilwa, serious point about Hunter reveals (although I've disputed it). Warning against jumping on her, or anybody, for flimsy reasons, which was a fair point at the time.

#120 agreed with Lottie on wilwa, found sally's Nilping 'fishy'; I concur.

#121 Post-Count Wars (try harder, my dear!:p).

#123 Berates the BG-voters while admitting it's easy for her as a non-voter to talk. I agree with her on both points, and include myself in the latter, of course.

#167 Further comments on the BG-wagon and wilwa's ostentative non-involvement in it (which had raised a number of eyebrows before). Took the words right out of my mouth.

Conclusion: nothing morphish so far. (Next thing I know she'll probably suspect me for agreeing with her too much. If so, be my guest:).)

Thoughts about Izzy:

#52 IC banter, fake reveals entertaining, and a good point:
Thinking someone couldn't be a metamorph because 'a metamorph would never do something that suspicious, or that x' .. doesn't necessarily work. Because a metamorph is obviously capable of anything.. add to that the specific player..
Indeed.

#58 thinks sally should at least have had some kind of suspicion on some people, if not most. So she should.

#59 Question about DL.

#72, #74, #82, #92, were all about BG and digested in my #158.

#164 responds to my examination of the BG voters in a way that was very very defensive indeed, maybe bordering on omgus (if I'm getting the semantics of that term correctly). I'm not satisfied.

Conclusion: little participation for most of Day 1, some fair but obvious points, a hasty vote, and no satisfying response toDay. (Has she even acknowledged that BG was not a morph? A single 'Gah, I screwed up there' would have convinced me much more than the defense she's offered.) Tending rather morphish, but not my biggest concern toDay (I'm more worried about Noia, if anybody hasn't noticed).

And that's about everybody who's still alive, right?

Shastanis Althreduin

06-13-2010, 03:18 PM

And I've noted the timing of your vote. I think wolves would be more likely to hide in the middle of a bandwagon than give an innocent the first or last vote (unless it's a bold Nerwolf), so that would speak in favour of you and Izzy and rather against Shasta and Noia.

Except that my vote X'ed with Izzy's. What I find interesting about this quote is that you yourself already noted this, Pitch, so it seems to me you're being very wishy-washy here. Much like a Morph trying to drum up another lynch candidate. I'd say if Wilwa is lynched and turns out to be a Morph, Pitch is a pretty good candidate for Morphism as well.

How would you distinguish between Evil-BG and BG in general?

That's true, Rikae, but I will say that the Beige Wolf confessed soon after things turned against her in the last game, and her "Oh crud, I did" actually did look like a confession to me (true, that was after my vote for her, but I still stand by the fact that there were more reasons to vote BG than there were anyone else at that point).

(Bah, I keep forgetting that his vote x-ed with Izzy's, so scrap what I've said in #166 about him in terms of hiding in the middle of the bandwagon. Noia looks worse in that respect.)

And now that I've read this, you can scrap the first part of this post. :p

Now sorry if I'm confusing something, but isn't that the same post of wilwa's which you earlier said 'wasn't forced'?

You are, and it's not. Let me finish this post and I'll go get it for you.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-13-2010, 03:20 PM

Here it is:

Ha ha.

But, but that's what makes Day 1s oh so much fun.

Uh, I have to go to work now. I'm not going to be back for like 9 hours. Sorry. But I will definitely be voting!

And it still doesn't look forced to me.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-13-2010, 03:56 PM

On Commander Inziladun -

#19 - Mostly banter. Does mention Eomer's suspicion of BG in a slightly negative context. Also mentions that the inability of the gifted to reveal themselves is a bad thing.

#35 - Some banter. Agrees with Pitch about pros and cons of Hunters revealing, but tries to turn the discussion away from the subject of reveals ("the question is academic"). Points out something that Noia said about knowing BG's true nature. This bothers me, but I don't know if it's Morph-ish or Traitor-ish. I'd be inclined to think the latter, honestly - the Traitor is more likely to draw attention to himself, I think, than a Morph would be. Also mentions that I should repair the water pipes. Don't tell me how to do my job! :( *sulk*

#60 - Jumps on Sally for her unhelpful self-vote, which I agree with wholeheartedly. Also tries to foment suspicion on Eomer, seemingly, by pointing out that he put Rikae in the same category as Noia, whom he voted for. Thinks that Eomer looks worse than Pitch for his stance on BG, but here's a gem from this post that I find to be interesting -

Well spotted, Ensign. Keep up the good work and don't be a Metamorph and there may be lieutenant's bars in the cards for you.

After this, given that I'm a little suspicious of Pitch, makes me wonder if Inzil isn't the traitor after all. Hmm.

#61 - Confirms deadline.

#68 - Reiterates that he has "reservations" about Eomer, but praises[/b] Lottie... for her Pitch vote. Says it's because the votes prior to Lottie's for Pitch were unhighlighted and thus invalid, but the way he said it makes me uneasy.

#77 - Attacks BG's reasoning on her vote for Lottie. I can't really fault him here.

#104 - Votes BG. Again, can't really fault him.

#112 - Calls DL.

#128 - Doesn't know what Eomer was. Agrees with me about BG's seeming Morphishness from yesterday. Attacks Wilwa for not voting BG and instead voting Sally. He's actually got a fair point here, given that Sally turned out to be a Morph. One of the current wolf tactics is early wolf-on-wolf, it seems like.

Conclusions -

Inzil has a couple of points against him, and a couple more that rely on Pitch being a Morph (which I'm not uber-confident about, but I think it's more possible than not). I don't know if he's a Morph, though - I think if he [i]is evil, he's the Traitor.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-13-2010, 04:11 PM

On Wilwa -

#21 - Banter. Mentions that she won't be participating much today. Here's that "fantastic" comment which struck me as slightly over-enthusiastic.

#25 - Replies to Nerwen's post about the secret roles, mentioning that they can reveal and "we'll have to be careful about anyone who comes out with made-up roles then." I honestly find this to be a little overly-innocent (holy crap, someone stop me, I'm sounding like Lottie!) Also mentions that a Metamorph could come out as the Seer, but doing that would be suicide as by now we know that the Telepath couldn't reveal (unless they caught a wolf), so I'm not sure where she was going with this.

#29 - This is the post that Lottie said was forced. It's not. :p

#63 - Mentions that she isn't sure when DL is, so she's not going to vote right now.

#87 - Comes back.

#96 - I'm going to quote this one.

Ok. So not too much to go on sadly. Sally's self vote is weird, but so sally-ish that it's not really all that suspicious. BG's vote is very weird, her explanation just now almost made sense to me until I went back to Lottie's list and saw that she had put herself under 'Is the most innocent person you have never laid eyes on' not under relatively innocent. Even though all the other headings are the same, so I suppose she could have put her there accidently. I suppose.

Gah.

I'll vote soon then I guess. Maybe for BG, cause it's still weird. Maybe for Sally. Maybe for someone else....

x'ed with peeps who said what I said, haha, I need to learn to refresh more often...

Now this is interesting. Here, Sally isn't suspicious and BG is. Moving on...

#100 -

I get it. She copy and pasted this:

Is the most innocent person you have never laid eyes on:
Lottie!

Relatively Innocentish:
Zil
Eomer
BeiGe

And just put the Relatively Innocentish part right above Lottie's name. So I see what she means.

K, I won't vote for her then, I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt here.

Now, I don't know who to vote for...

Okay, now we know BG was actually innocent, so in all actuality that's precisely what she did. However, I still don't get how she could have done it and not known.

#108 - Votes Sally "for lack of nothing better". Wait, what?? Didn't you just say that Sally's self-vote was "so Sally-ish that it's not really all that suspicious"? I don't like this vote at all.

#160 - Defends herself.

No Sally wasn't really that suspicious, but she was moreso then anyone else from what I could see. If I had voted BG I would like a bandwagonner taking the safe way out. But I didn't, and now I look bad for happening to vote a wolf (uhm, hello? I voted the wolf, not the Seer).

But you specifically said that she "wasn't really that suspicious", so I'm not seeing why you decided to vote for her. And saying that since you voted a Morph instead of the Seer, you're innocent, doesn't work because neither BG nor Sally's roles were known at the time. :(

#170 - Reiterates what happened in the narration.

Conclusions -

Wilwa's not really smelling like roses at this point. The biggest thing against her is the Sally vote, I think.

Now to take a break, come back, and analyze Pitch. What fun. :p

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 04:14 PM

Quadruple posting? Come on, where is everybody?

OK, so we've got 2 Metamorphs left, +1 Traitor, + 1 secret role of hitherto undefined alignment (could be goodie, could be baddie, could be neutral, so little use worrying about them at the moment).

My candidates for being morphish (in order of suspiciousness): wilwa/ Noia, Shasta/Izzy.
I think it would make perfect sense for one of the morphs to stay ostensibly out of the BG wagon and the other to fuel it, more than both to participate in it. So if any of Noia, Shasta or Izzy turns out to be morphish, that would exonerate the other two (although one of them could still be the Traitor).

Given Shasta's conversion to the case against wilwa, it seems unlikely that they would be packmates together. It could of couse be wolf-on-wolf on Shasta's part, which would be quite daring as there's only two of 'em left; but it's the last wolf standing who wins the game, and I remember Zil and me did something of the like in Lottie's game- so not impossible. But any other combination seems more likely.

So that narrows it down to (in order of suspiciousness): wilwa/Noia, wilwa/Izzy, wilwa/Shasta.
On second thought (or third, or rather Nth), it just strikes me that wilwa may be the Traitor rather than a morph. Her safe vote for sally could have been a perfect way of avoiding to lynch either a morph or an innocent, couldn't it? If I'm right, her early point about the impossibilty of fake reveals in this game is positively hilarious.

(And wilwa, the point isn't that you voted a morph over the Seer, but that you voted a morph at a time when she had the chance of a snowflake in hell to be lynched. Get it?)

EDIT: x-ed with a bunch of Shastas.

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 04:20 PM

Ok, so now Mira's dead. This is crazy. According to the narration it wasn't even like someone showed up and killed her, she just died by freak accident. Going to assume it's the other secret role, or this is Eomer's kill maybe?

Modfire would be my guess, for lack of other information.

Thoughts about Lottie

I honestly intended to do a post-by-post analysis of our current Queen of the Post Count, but it would probably take me all evening, and I don't quite feel up to it at the moment. What worried me most about her (actually the only thing that worried me) is her involvement in the near-DL discussion about/with BG - it could be seen as increasing the pressure on BG and feeding the wagon without actually voting her (as she'd already voted me), or it could be seen as an innocent honestly questioning BG and trying to make up her mind. Taking in account my general impression of her and her performance toDay, I tend to think the latter. So I'm still more inclined to trust her (and I also happen to agree with her about her top suspects).

Lottie seems fairly harmless to me.

Pitch looks decent though, too. Nice efforts at analysation.

Points out something that Noia said about knowing BG's true nature. This bothers me, but I don't know if it's Morph-ish or Traitor-ish. I'd be inclined to think the latter, honestly - the Traitor is more likely to draw attention to himself, I think, than a Morph would be. Also mentions that I should repair the water pipes. Don't tell me how to do my job! :( *sulk*

I don't really get what you mean there. It bothers you that I asked Para why he was so certain we'd know BG's role soon?

And you had to repair the water leak because our Chief Engineer Lottie well, might have made it worse. ;)

After this, given that I'm a little suspicious of Pitch, makes me wonder if Inzil isn't the traitor after all. Hmm.

Dark times for the Terran Fleet, when an Acting Captain can't offer a word of encouragement to one of the crew without it being scrutinised.
In other words, that was a throwaway remark. But if I were working with a Pitchmorph in any capacity I'd certainly do my best to praise him where all could hear. :rolleyes:

x/d with Shasta and Pitch

Isabellkya

06-13-2010, 04:23 PM

There isn't ever a guarantee that someone will explain one of their actions before the DL. I needed to vote, and she did a scummy slip up. So I didn't particularly see a need to wait for her to explain. Had I waited, her explanation that she gave still would've had me voting for her.

Oh I agree. I'm sure there was at least one morph on the BG train.
I never suggested ignoring it, or blaming it on BG. The way you posted about it - came off as very opportunistic. 'I'm not sure how I would've responded... BUT everyone who did vote for her "jumped on her blunder like wolves on a tasty bit of lynch-meat, without even considering the possibility that she'd just made a noobish mistake."'.

How can you honestly say that no one considered alternate possibilities? I was under the impression that people were capable of thinking in their heads. ;) I also don't think this is twitter - where we need to record every thought/action we ever do. xD

The only other possibility that I thought really - was that she could've been the seer; false saying Loslote was innocent, then voting her. To draw attention towards her vote.... since they can't reveal. However I ruled her out as too new to pull off something like that... especially with less than five posts in between.

Again. I did not vote BG because of previous game behavior. K. Thanks. I've seen this said more than once - that I voted for her because of last game. This is the second (going to be third) time I think I even said it - I did not vote her because of previous game behavior.

If there is a WereBear thing out there... then you can't entirely rule people out because together as morphs they don't make sense. But.. bear/wolf.. different teams.

X'd with Dun.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-13-2010, 04:26 PM

I don't really get what you mean there. It bothers you that I asked Para why he was so certain we'd know BG's role soon?

Yes. At that point, the only reason I could see for Noia to say that would be a Seer-Noia hinting, and given that, it bothers me that you immediately drew attention to it, something an innocent shouldn't do.

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 04:33 PM

Yes. At that point, the only reason I could see for Noia to say that would be a Seer-Noia hinting, and given that, it bothers me that you immediately drew attention to it, something an innocent shouldn't do.

Seeing that Eomer looked to me like the one dropping Seer hints, the thought that Para could have been doing so never crossed my mind.

Shastanis Althreduin

06-13-2010, 04:35 PM

Seeing that Eomer looked to me like the one dropping Seer hints, the thought that Para could have been doing so never crossed my mind.

And you drew attention to those, too. :p

Shastanis Althreduin

06-13-2010, 04:37 PM

Bah, do I want to even bother trying to catch up to Lottie's post count? :(

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 04:38 PM

And you drew attention to those, too. :p

True enough. But who could possibly have missed them? :rolleyes:

wilwarin538

06-13-2010, 04:56 PM

But you specifically said that she "wasn't really that suspicious", so I'm not seeing why you decided to vote for her. And saying that since you voted a Morph instead of the Seer, you're innocent, doesn't work because neither BG nor Sally's roles were known at the time.

Well I had been planning to vote for BG, cause her vote did look suspicious, but then she explained, I understood and had no back up and like 20 minutes to choose someone. Sally also had a weird vote, and I wouldn't have voted for her if I had had anyone else to vote for, but I was not going to jump on a bandwaggon that I didn't agree with. My point is that, yeah we didn't know the roles at the time, but I still had the best vote! And that's really frustrating, cause I think the BG voters should be looking way worse, since the girl was clearly just confused and her explanation made sense, but a bunch of people were jumping on her without really taking the time to try and understand what she was saying, it was a bad bandwaggon, and it sucks that me being a part of it may have actually made me look better than me voting a wolf!

K. I'm done for real this time. My Day 1 votes just always come back to bite me no matter what, and it's driving me nuts.

I hadn't thought of modfire for Mira's death, I guess that does make the most sense.

I'm going to go back and re-read the last page from Day 1, cause to me people who voted BG look bad and I want to see which of them looks worse. Then maybe I'll make a list.

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 05:16 PM

Except that my vote X'ed with Izzy's. What I find interesting about this quote is that you yourself already noted this, Pitch, so it seems to me you're being very wishy-washy here.
Yes, I'd noted it, and forgotten about it afterwards, and realized my forgetting, and said that the part of the post of mine you quoted should be scrapped as far as it concerns you, and you aren't my top suspect anyway, so will you please be content?!?
That's true, Rikae, but I will say that the Beige Wolf confessed soon after things turned against her in the last game, and her "Oh crud, I did" actually did look like a confession to me (true, that was after my vote for her, but I still stand by the fact that there were more reasons to vote BG than there were anyone else at that point).
I see where you came from, and in so far as a non-voter has a right to judge the BG-voters, I'm satisfied with your explanation.
And now that I've read this, you can scrap the first part of this post.
And now I've read this, you can scrap the first part of mine here.:)
You are, and it's not. Let me finish this post and I'll go get it for you.
OK, I am, and it wasn't. Meaning it may not have been 'forced', but it still was something blatantly obvious to say. 'Day 1s suck'. Yeah, we all know that, so what???

Well spotted, Ensign. Keep up the good work and don't be a Metamorph and there may be lieutenant's bars in the cards for you.
After this, given that I'm a little suspicious of Pitch, makes me wonder if Inzil isn't the traitor after all. Hmm.
You know what, that's one minor detail about Zil that's been worrying me . That was his response to my pointing out Eomer's lack of highlighting in his vote, which I myself didn't think at all commendable - so I've wondered whether he was trying to rub me the right way here, and I've been debating with myself for a while whether to bring it up or not, only I thought that would have been blowing it up beyond proportions. Care to comment, Zil?

Shasta's wilwanalysis: I concur, especially with this:
Votes Sally "for lack of nothing better". Wait, what?? Didn't you just say that Sally's self-vote was "so Sally-ish that it's not really all that suspicious"? I don't like this vote at all.
and this:
But you specifically said that she "wasn't really that suspicious", so I'm not seeing why you decided to vote for her. And saying that since you voted a Morph instead of the Seer, you're innocent, doesn't work because neither BG nor Sally's roles were known at the time.

Conclusion from the above: Shasta, you're looking better and better to me in the light of your recent reactions. Suspect me all you want (although I'd still like to know what for), but if I end up dead, look at what I said and bring your psi powers back online, OK?

EDIT: x-ed from #179 onwards.
EDITEDIT: fixed quote formatting in quote of Shasta quoting Zil

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 05:37 PM

You know what, that's one minor detail about Zil that's been worrying me . That was his response to my pointing out Eomer's lack of highlighting in his vote, which I myself didn't think at all commendable - so I've wondered whether he was trying to rub me the right way here, and I've been debating with myself for a while whether to bring it up or not, only I thought that would have been blowing it up beyond proportions. Care to comment, Zil?

Already did here:

Dark times for the Terran Fleet, when an Acting Captain can't offer a word of encouragement to one of the crew without it being scrutinised.
In other words, that was a throwaway remark. But if I were working with a Pitchmorph in any capacity I'd certainly do my best to praise him where all could hear. :rolleyes:

That was really it: just a throwaway IC line.

Conclusion from the above: Shasta, you're looking better and better to me in the light of your recent reactions. Suspect me all you want (although I'd still like to know what for), but if I end up dead, look at what I said and bring your psi powers back online, OK?

To 'rub you the right way' even more, I'll go further and say I agree that Shasta looks fairly innocent at the moment.

wilwarin538

06-13-2010, 05:44 PM

Votes from yesterDay:

Lottie –> Pitchwife
Blind Guardian –> Lottie
Isabellkya –> Blind Guardian
Shasta –> Blind Guardian (2)
Paranoia -> Blind Guardian (3)
Inziladun -> Blind Guardian (4)
Wilwarin -> Sally

Okee. So even though Lottie didn't vote for BG I think she looks pretty bad, cause she really pushed that bandwaggon. Izzy started it, but I don't think she looks as bad for it because it was the first vote and the reason made sense to her. Kind of the same for Shasta, though I don't like the way they both continued to pounce on BG. I mean I know it all happened in like 20 minutes, and that's not a lot of time to consider things, but still, I was able to figure it out in less time. Paranoia came in and did his (right?) own analysis of the situation and then voted, but pretty much just followed what other's were saying, so he makes me uneasy too . Inzil popped in and bandwaggoned, which everyone seems ok with, but I don't like it, he had been suspicious of Eomer and yeah he said BG's vote was poor, but then he disappeared for the next 20 minutes, and just popped in to vote without trying to get in on the discussion going on then or trying to help everyone figure out what BG was trying to say. I really dislike that.

So basically everyone who voted yesterday looks bad to me. In order of how bad they look: Inzil, Lottie, Shasta, Para, Izzy.

So a list then? Mostly based off of Day 1. After I post this I'll take a closer look at today to see if anything changes my mind on anyone.

Inziladun – do not like. Vote was bad, and his convenient disappearing act for the last 20 minutes bugs me to no end.

Paranoia – don't like vote yesterDay, at all.

Pitchwife – uhm, no real opinion at the moment, will get back to him after reading through today.

Loslote – I really don't like the way she kept going after BG, even though she didn't vote for her I see her as being instrumental in the whole bandwaggoning process, and to me it just seemed like she was set on getting her lynched and wasn't really willing to try and understand what BG was explaining.

Isabellkya – first to vote for BG, but at that point she had a good reason too, since BG hadn't come on to explain her mistake by that point. Her continuing to go after her still urks me, but I think that was more her standing by her vote rather then trying to get other people to follow it.

Shasta – kind of similar to Izzy, but he seemed to latch on to something promising and really role with it more then she did.

That whole bandwaggon was because people didn't feel like taking a second and comparing the two lists, I did, and I very quickly understood what she had been saying, I'm sure other's would have as well. Shasta, Para and Inzil especially had the oppurtunity to really look into it, and none of them really seemed to want to (except maybe Para a bit since he did repost BG's list, but certainly Inzil didn't try)

wintywinty – no oppinion.

Rikae - fine with.

So at this point I'd be willing to vote for Inzil, Lottie or Shasta.

Now I'll look closer at today.

x'ed with Pitch and Inzil

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 05:58 PM

Seeing that Eomer looked to me like the one dropping Seer hints, the thought that Para could have been doing so never crossed my mind.And you drew attention to those, too.
OK. When you see player 1 making apparently unsubstantiated accusations on player 2 on Day 1, there's more or less three possible explanations:
1. player 1 is a wolf (not bloody likely, as it's a very bold move, but who knows)
2. player 1 is just trying to 'stir the pot' (as we now know was the case with Eomer)
3. player 1 is the Seer and dropping hints about their dream.
So what are you going to do? Just ignore it all for fear of exposing the Seer, at a time when there was nothing else of any note happening? Or question player 1, hoping to get a better read on them?

Otherwise -
The only other possibility that I thought really - was that she could've been the seer; false saying Loslote was innocent, then voting her. To draw attention towards her vote.... since they can't reveal. However I ruled her out as too new to pull off something like that... especially with less than five posts in between.
Nah, sorry, that seems to have been constructed with hindsight. Don't buy it.

Again. I did not vote BG because of previous game behavior. K. Thanks. I've seen this said more than once - that I voted for her because of last game. This is the second (going to be third) time I think I even said it - I did not vote her because of previous game behavior.
No, you didn't. I've noted you haven't used that excuse, I'll hand you that.

Hmmm. This post of Izzy's has some marks of an exasperated innocent. I'm inclined to move her to the lower end of my suspicion list, along with Shasta. (Zil is already there)

You all know whom that leaves on the upper end, don't you?

EDIT: x-ed with Zil and wilwa.
EDITEDIT: fixed quote formatting in quote of Shasta quoting Zil.

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 06:19 PM

Dark times for the Terran Fleet, when an Acting Captain can't offer a word of encouragement to one of the crew without it being scrutinised.
In other words, that was a throwaway remark. But if I were working with a Pitchmorph in any capacity I'd certainly do my best to praise him where all could hear.[*eyeroll smiley*]
Ah, I'd overlooked that. OK, satisfies me. (And Shasta, if you'd like to see what a Pitchwolf and a Zilwolf working together look like, read Lottie's game!)

About wilwa's #189: That's better - not saying I agree with all of her conclusions (indeed, on second thought, I agree with none of them as far as top suspects are concerned), but her reaction under pressure has some marks of an exasperated innocent, and at least she's making an effort now. Keep her for another Day.

wilwarin538

06-13-2010, 06:19 PM

Things I found interesting, and why:

Triple post, page four, and I'd like to add:
that BG-wagon yesterDay was terrible and an example of Day one stupidity at its worst. I know, I didn't vote, it's easy for me to say - but for crying out loud, voting for someone because of such an obvious bit of sloppiness? Does anyone here actually think a wolf would do that, unless an experienced and tricksy enough wolf to do it as a "no wolf would be so careless" bluff? I'm going to have to look more closely at that wagon - though I understand innocents can sometimes commit such egregious
DAY ONE FAILS too. Don't worry, folks, if you're innocent, you have nothing to fear. :p

I like this. Even though she is suspecting me for my vote (when she said herself that Sally's vote was indeed out of character), I'm ok with her right now.

(and I happen to know that Vanessa's a very ebullient personality <3)

I had to google that word. But thanks. <3

(I wonder how many stuff we can stick onto Wilwa's name? :p)

Vanilordoinnawesomuffin. A lot. :p

No, I fully understand your reason, and agree what BG did there would have looked rather wolvish to me as well at the time. But voting her right away without giving her a chance to explain herself?

And I'm not saying that we should concentrate on the BG voters exclusively and ignore everybody else. Like Rikae said, innocents can make bad votes too. But I wouldn't bet that there was no morph at all in that wagon. And given that votes are the best evidence we get in WW, along with the Night-kills, pretending it never happened or blaming it all on BG herself is going to accomplish zip.

I like all of this too. And I think I'm ok with Pitch.

You listed it yourself. BG listed Loslote as 'relatively innocent' in #69. Three posts later, she voted for Loslote. I don't see that as a possible 'noobish' mistake; more akin to noobish wolf yes. In a span of three posts, you somehow forget who you think is innocent, and who is suspicious? Her explanation for how Loslote ended up in that category.. was rather lackluster - not that it entirely mattered at that point.

It seems like you don't fully comprehend my reasons for voting for BG and the implications. If someone makes a mistake like she did - it implies her list of suspicions was fabricated. She did copy it from Loslote. Who would need a fabricated list? Innocent's don't. But metamorphs do.

Bolded part: It still bugs me that some people don't understand that she put her in the wrong category by accident (exclamation marks people, that totally gave away that she had done it on accident). To me it's obvious. BG made a mistake, people pounced on it, and when she tried to explain it they didn't want to take the time to understand, and just kept pushing.

Underlined part: No, not true. I think she was heading out at the time? So she saw someone had made a list and in order to be sure she didn't forget anyone's name, and because there would already be a format, she just copy and pasted it and then rearranged the names, and did it to save time (and goofed). I've done it before (as an innocent, as a gifted, as a wolf, as an everything I'm sure), it's a time saver, not a sign of guilt.

Except that my vote X'ed with Izzy's.

I had not noticed the crosspost. I suppose that makes you look a bit better.

edit: x'ed with Pitch x 2

Pitchwife

06-13-2010, 06:39 PM

Bedtime, and voting time.

++Paranoia

If you're wondering why, you haven't read my posts toDay. I'm not comfortable with voting him before he's had a chance to respond, but given our different time zones, it can't be helped. He looks like the most suspicious of the BG voters to me, and I'm not that confident about voting anybody else. And if he's indeed a morph, he's a dangerous one, so get rid of him NOW.

Good Night, and may the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless your planet.

wilwarin538

06-13-2010, 07:03 PM

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 07:04 PM

Inzil popped in and bandwaggoned, which everyone seems ok with, but I don't like it, he had been suspicious of Eomer and yeah he said BG's vote was poor, but then he disappeared for the next 20 minutes, and just popped in to vote without trying to get in on the discussion going on then or trying to help everyone figure out what BG was trying to say. I really dislike that.

As I already said, I spent the time in between trying to make up my mind about BG. There was no point in questioning her: others were already asking what I would have. When it came to DL I had to decide between her or Sally. Since I saw no chance of getting Sally lynched, I went ahead with BG. I still feel that your making a throwaway vote like you did looks worse than the BG voters.

Bedtime, and voting time.

++Paranoia

If you're wondering why, you haven't read my posts toDay. I'm not comfortable with voting him before he's had a chance to respond, but given our different time zones, it can't be helped. He looks like the most suspicious of the BG voters to me, and I'm not that confident about voting anybody else. And if he's indeed a morph, he's a dangerous one, so get rid of him NOW.

Para, hmm? To me he's really an enigma rather than suspicious, and I really would like to hear what he has to say before I'd consider voting him.

x/d with Wilwa. Bandwagon, anyone?

Loslote

06-13-2010, 07:20 PM

(so I take it that her earlier 'voting an innocent' was not referring to BG's list?)

No, it was referring to my innocence.

#67 Lottie votes me for 'feeling off' = being Mr Agreeable. (How come I 'feel off' for that when I'm suspected for it in every other game?) Her preceding list had me under 'squeamish' and wilwa under 'most suspicious', but her attitude here looks confident and ready to defend her vote (which I'd like to see her do!), therefore rather innocentish.

You were feeling a bit off yesterDay. That's cleared up now, though - you are certainly not acting like Mr. Agreeable this game. :p

And you had to repair the water leak because our Chief Engineer Lottie well, might have made it worse. ;)

Might have? There is a question?

Bedtime, and voting time.

[*highlight]++Paranoia[/highlight]

If you're wondering why, you haven't read my posts toDay. I'm not comfortable with voting him before he's had a chance to respond, but given our different time zones, it can't be helped. He looks like the most suspicious of the BG voters to me, and I'm not that confident about voting anybody else. And if he's indeed a morph, he's a dangerous one, so get rid of him NOW.

Good Night, and may the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless your planet.

I really want to wait for Noia to respond, and even when he does, I don't think I'll be voting for him toDay.

EDIT: Xed - :eek:

wilwarin538

06-13-2010, 07:22 PM

Wilwa. Bandwagon, anyone?

You can, but I can't?

And it's the second vote of the day, I wouldn't call it bandwaggoning. I do actually find him suspicious, maybe not the most, but I'm not going to vote for someone that I'm pretty positive won't be getting lynched, I would rather not waste my vote like I did yesterDay.

All the bandwaggoners got off fairly clean toDay, but the person who didn't bandwaggon and voted a wolf is suspicious. Now I do what ya'll did yesterDay and I look bad?

You have to see I'm in a very frustrating position here.

x'ed with Lottie

Loslote

06-13-2010, 07:24 PM

Ok, so I'm going to sleep early since I work in the morning.

I'm not going to vote for Inzil, because I have the feeling no one will go along with that. Ditto for Lottie and Shasta. So I'll go with my fourth option, though I wasn't originally planning on voting him, I'm willing to since I do find him suspicious and I'd rather not waste my vote toDay.

[*highlight]++Paranoia[/highlight]

Good night, and good luck!

This...this has to be one of the most blatant pieces of bandwaggoning I have ever seen... Vanilwuffin, dear, if you're trying not to look suspicious, this is not the way to do so. ;)

EDIT: xed with Vanilwuffin herself

Loslote

06-13-2010, 07:29 PM

You can, but I can't?

And it's the second vote of the day, I wouldn't call it bandwaggoning. I do actually find him suspicious, maybe not the most, but I'm not going to vote for someone that I'm pretty positive won't be getting lynched, I would rather not waste my vote like I did yesterDay.

All the bandwaggoners got off fairly clean toDay, but the person who didn't bandwaggon and voted a wolf is suspicious. Now I do what ya'll did yesterDay and I look bad?

You have to see I'm in a very frustrating position here.

x'ed with Lottie

They didn't get off fairly clean; they're some of the most highly suspected players toDay. Shasta topped several suspicion lists for a while, and Noia still does. Izzy's still rather suspected (I think) by Pitchie, and by me, though I've only just been able to mention it. Zil hasn't been suspected all the much, true, and neither have I, but not "all the bandwaggoners got off fairly clean toDay."

wilwarin538

06-13-2010, 07:36 PM

This...this has to be one of the most blatant pieces of bandwaggoning I have ever seen... Vanilwuffin, dear, if you're trying not to look suspicious, this is not the way to do so. ;)

Uhm, I know. I am exhausted, and really annoyed, and don't really know what else to do. I either vote for someone I really find suspicious, knowing full well that no one else will vote for them and therefore wasting my vote. Or I bandwagon a little and use my vote for someone I do find suspicious, and maybe it'll be a bit more useful.

I vote a wolf. I look bad. I don't vote the seer. I look bad. I don't bandwagon. I look bad. I do bandwagon. I look bad. I vote for someone I barely find suspicious. I look bad. I vote for someone I do find suspicious. I look bad.

I'm thinking no matter, I'm gonna look bad. And the sucky thing is I'm really not bad!

Uh. I know I should shut up now cause I'm probably not making things any better, but I'm really at a loss to what I should be doing right now...

x'ed with Lottie again.

Out of the 5 BG voters (I'm counting Lottie technically in there, since she helped push it along), 2 are under some real suspicion, and of the 2 I think Para looks worse (I said earlier that the cross post thing with Shasta made him look better). I think it's a pretty logical vote.

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 07:55 PM

I just refreshed the page. Ok, so now Mira's dead. This is crazy. According to the narration it wasn't even like someone showed up and killed her, she just died by freak accident. Going to assume it's the other secret role, or this is Eomer's kill maybe?

No, or I'd have indicated that the console had been sabotaged or something like that.

Oh Captain my Captain, am I right in assuming Keeper Mira was modfired? ("getting slammed by work", and it was an accident, with no killer involved)

"Getting slammed by work" happens to be a direct quote from Mira herself.

—Also: the spirits of Sallymorph and myself have come to an understanding in the afterlife, and she may be helping out with tallies and so forth.

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 08:04 PM

All the bandwaggoners got off fairly clean toDay, but the person who didn't bandwaggon and voted a wolf is suspicious. Now I do what ya'll did yesterDay and I look bad?

The difference between yesterDay's voting and toDay's is that toDay Paranoia doesn't look nearly as bad as BG did. In the case of BG, it's difficult for me to see how anyone could have backed away from voting her under those circumstances without having some knowledge she was innocent.

"Getting slammed by work" happens to be a direct quote from Mira herself.

At least there's an ordinary explanation for one occurrance on this ship. ;)

satansaloser2005

06-13-2010, 08:07 PM

My, my, Modwen, your game is starting to be as silly and confusing as one of Sally's! Almost, anyway. Not quite, but then, it'd be hard to rival Sally's games. :p

Tehe. Just....tehe.

Anyway, to business....

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)

More people should vote so's I have more to do. *nods sagely*

Isabellkya

06-13-2010, 08:09 PM

Oh dear Pitch. You are quite funny.

Apparently, I am failing to see what you saw Wilwa. I know that BG copied Loslote's list; and rearranged the order. Hence why the exclamation point would be there.. she copied it. Yet in Loslote's list, she had herself under 'most innocent'. BG moved her(Loslote) to 'relatively innocent'. When I asked her about it - she said that she merely moved Loslote's name down, and retyped 'relatively uninnocentish' - which isn't even a category on either list. After of course saying she had copied/pasted Loslote's name under there. She also claimed that she didn't want to copy it in the first place. So honestly, her explanation of her actions.. made her look scummier - rather than clarify the 'mistake'.

I am not talking about fabrication in regards to BG copy/pasting Loslote's list. I am talking about fabrication in the fact the she listed Loslote under 'relatively innocent' then voted for her a handful of posts later.

I don't like how Wilwa is more than once, pushing how she voted for Sally.

I really do not like how Wilwa seems to be trying to put her vote somewhere where it will be effective. As in, she is looking for someone to lynch. I'm not going to vote for Inzil, because I have the feeling no one will go along with that. Ditto for Lottie and Shasta. So I'll go with my fourth option, though I wasn't originally planning on voting him, I'm willing to since I do find him suspicious and I'd rather not waste my vote toDay.

Rikae

06-13-2010, 08:11 PM

I'm getting an uneasy feeling about Izzy, and also seeing what appears
to be a link between her and... someone else. But we shall see.
I do have a history of pretty much always suspecting her, so I'll
have to do my best to be objective here:

Day One

#52
Banter, and this (I guess in response to Eomer's talk of wolves not
drawing attention to themselves on Day 1?)
Thinking someone couldn't be a metamorph because 'a metamorph would never do something that suspicious, or that x' .. doesn't necessarily work. Because a metamorph is obviously capable of anything.. add to that the specific player..

Interesting, considering the direction things took later that Day.
Obviously absolute statements are going to occasionally prove
false in WW, but as a general rule, Day one lynches are often confused
innocents who blunder out of carelessness while the wolves sit back and
enjoy the show. Wolves love those kinds of Day Ones.
Then again, I've argued with people who have written off Day 1's as
useless, too, since that kind of apathy is unproductive. Still, that
doesn't seem to be what Izzy's doing here. It seems more like a
sly spreading around of potential guilt than a call to action.
I always tend to "hear" a bit of a smirk behind Izzy's posts, which
I tend to read as "evil", though. I could be wrong.

#58
Tries to get Sally to elaborate on her suspicions. Could really
be innocent or co-morphish equally easily, I think.

#59
Asking about deadline.

#74
Votes for BG for voting someone BG previously called "relatively
innocent". I find this vote way too... itchy-trigger-finger-ish. It seems
as though having an excuse to vote is more important to Izzy than finding the truth
at this point. Izzy could have asked about it - after all, as she herself points out toDay, people can think in their heads - I would assume she would include BG among the "people" who might do so, instead of jumping on her immediately like this.
Also noticed that Izzy doesn't yet bring up the "fabricated list" issue that she mentioned
toDay.

#79
Telling Lottie to refresh.

#82
Posts BG's list showing Lottie as "relatively innocent".

#89
Banter about pattern.

#92
After BG says she copied Lottie's list - points out she had to
have moved the name to "relatively innocent" from "most innocent".

Day Two:

#125
Says (in response to Shasta) that voting for BG didn't even have
to depend on comparisons to her last game, but simply that
she voted for someone she had called innocentish.

#135
Fairly sensible, if waffle-y, talk about the possibility of a Wilwamorph
voting for a Sallymorph on Day 1, plus some confusion about the narration.

#141
Thinks the Assassin and the Defender know each others' roles.

#164
Fairly defensive repsonse to Pitch's suspicions. If someone makes a mistake like she did - it implies her list of suspicions was fabricated. She did copy it from Loslote. Who would need a fabricated list? Innocent's don't. But metamorphs do.
Actually innocents might, especially gifteds on Day 1 who lack any solid suspicions. But be that as it
may, the question is - does Izzy realize that? Is she saying this in good faith? I have
to wonder that if the idea of the list being "fabricated" was so important, she would
probably have mentioned it yesterDay at some point.

#180
I needed to vote, and she did a scummy slip up. So I didn't particularly see a need to wait for her to explain.
Well, at least she's honest. :rolleyes: May as well just say "I don't really care whether I vote for a baddie or not,
just as long as I get my vote in", eh, Izzy? Not an innocentish attitude in my book at all.

Claims she thought BG's vote may have also been a seer hint. I'm with Pitch on this - I don't buy it, plus, if she thought this, then she did the last thing an innocent should have done in jumping in with a vote for BG immediately!
This comment could even be a bit of morphish honesty. Sometimes that is a good strategy when evil - makes one's arguments more solid - but in this case, it's incriminating whether
true or false.

I find the repetition of the "didn't vote because of the previous game" a little odd.
There's plenty of reason to question Izzy's vote, regardless of that, and what she's doing kind of reminds me of the times I've been a wolf accused of doing something I actually didn't - focusing heavily on the part of the suspicions that don't apply while hoping the true guilt
is overlooked.

Yeah, Izzy's pretty suspicious, indeed. I don't see anyone more
suspicious around, so:

++Izzy

Edit: x'd with... speak of the devil! :D

wilwarin538

06-13-2010, 08:11 PM

it's difficult for me to see how anyone could have backed away from voting her under those circumstances without having some knowledge she was innocent.

I backed away!!! I took a couple minutes to look more closely at what she was saying, and at the two lists in question, and I was able to understand what she was saying. Once I got that it had just been a mistake I wasn't going to vote for her since that had been the only point against her. I could have taken the easy way out, shut my mouth and went a long with it, but I didn't.

Anyway. I'm going for real now, I really can't stay up any longer or I'll be exhausted for work in the morning.

x'ed with Izzy and Rikae

Shastanis Althreduin

06-13-2010, 08:19 PM

Here and reading. I got to Pitch's #42 in my analysis of him before I got sucked into something else and am just now getting back, so that will get done tomorrow. :p

Right now Wilwa's defenses of herself are seeming more and more impassioned and frustrated, and while normally I'm a sucker for the frustrated innocent defense (having been a frustrated innocent more than once :rolleyes:), I still can't help but think this is morphish frustration rather than innocent. Barring anything truly damning, I'll probably be voting for Wilwa today.

Loslote

06-13-2010, 08:21 PM

[*highlight]++Izzy[/highlight]

I must admit, I rather approve. I would not be adverse to an Izzy-lynch.

EDIT: xed with Shasta

Loslote

06-13-2010, 08:25 PM

Wolf Pack:
Wilwa
Izzy

Probable Innocents:
Lottie (without the probable, of course)
Zil

Nary A Clue (But Gonna Say...Innocent???):
WWinty
Rikae
Noia
Shasta

Nary A Clue (But Gonna Say...Naughty-Morphy???)
Pitchie

Rikae

06-13-2010, 08:28 PM

I have to agree with you on Wilwa's defense, Shasta. She's definitely second highest on my suspect list, but I'm kind of hoping the Assassin already has or will check her. If Izzy's guilty, that points to Wilwa quite nicely (look at her comments on the BG-wagoners), and either an innocent or guilty Izzy would shed light on the BG wagon.

Paranoia

06-13-2010, 08:28 PM

You know, reading this over, Pitch, I'm finding you really intersting right now.

Let's start with your analysis of yesterday's votes and actions, and your, you know, overall willingness to attack someone who so far hasn't posted or said anything at all today. Yes, lets.

I don't think I really have to defend myself on the BG vote; I put down why I voted her, reasons beyond the "omg the lists didn't match up" and I did indeed look at both lists; the explanation made absolutely no sense to me and it still doesn't, because the titles were different, and she had obviously reworked bits and pieces of it. There was simply no other conclusion I could come to in my mind. And I honestly think the person who looks the worse out of what happened in the last 20 or so minutes is Willwuffin, because no matter how I read her posts there it all felt like the same thing.

"I really think BG is innocent but I'm not going to deign to tell you guys why I think so, despite how blatantly suspect she is being. I'm going to blithely throw my vote away on sally, and continue saying that even though I think BG is really innocent, I'm not going to meaningfully help her in any shape or form."

On another note, when Shasta and Izzy showed up to defend themselves, you were readily willing to relent; you went from one to the next and then finally me, but as interesting as that is, you completely ignored Zul. It's one thing to vote an innocent with a reason and turn out wrong. It's another thing to vote an innocent without saying a bloody thing, being wrong, and skating by. Something's off there.

Another thing is your basically list topping suspicion of Wilowil.. and yet you still vote me. Something's off there, considering you've basically link her with me/shasta/izzy as the definite member of whatever morphpack is on the ship. Care to explain why you voted me above the one constant amongst your conjecture? "Well well if you're a wolf you're dangerous!" Doesn't cut it. That is always a horrible reason, because you are basically bringing a justification into the game that boils down to "what if they're a wolf?"

I am also not liking Willy's "wahhh the bandwagonners got off scott clean! wahhh why am I under suspicion!" posts. You won't deflect attention, Morph.

Also, to those who are going "He was in the middle of the BG voters where he can skate on by!!!!" Really let me ask you; are you just trying to get on my nerves with that logic? Morphs, Wolves, and Mafia will vote in any order they please. And I don't really call it bandwagoning when someone can provide decent reasoning; bandwagoning to me is just simply voting for someone with an overall rehashed reason.

But let's have a hypothetical situation. Let's say I was a morph. Would I have any reason to vote BG, or further add fuel to the fire when it looked like she was going to get lynched on her own anyway? Nope. It's like last game. Every post of her's added fuel to the metaphorical fire, and the more I looked at her the worse I felt about her. I said as much, and I gave reasoning for why I felt the way I did. If I was Morphanoia, I would have known she was innocent. I probably would have thrown an insubstantial vote on someone I was more suspicious earlier in the day on say... Eomer. That way I have a throwaway that isn't a, you know, obvious throwaway. UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE I COULD MENTION *COUGH*WILLYWUFIKINS*COUGH*. Yes, it sucks she was the seer. Yes, I was wrong. But honestly nothing else made more sense to me at the moment, and her explanation for the differentiation between her suspect list and her vote of lottie for lottie's asking others to come along and vote just did not sit well with me.

On the Note of Lottie: I am very much inclined to think her innocent at the moment, simply based on the fact she didn't have to push for BG for the lynch, nor does she right now have to be stopping (or trying at least) the lynch of an innocent. Overall, she's doing more genuine analysis than I remember from her wolf counterpart, who was rather happy to let things progress how they were going.

I'm also having a hard time reading Zul as a wolf, as since BG seemed like a sure thing at the end of yesterday, he'd have no reason to just come and vote her without a word; Now, this isn't to say he might not have done that as a sneaakkky gambit to say "well as a wolf I wouldn't do that" but... it feels doubtful at the moment.

WIth all of this in mind, my vote is going to

++Willowuffyfluffykins, also known as Wilwarin.

Should I get lynched in the interrim, I'm laying down my suspicions as Pitch, Wilwarin, and Zul as a possibility. I am uneasy about Izzy but I don't feel too bad about her at the moment. I believe Shasta, Lottie, and Rikae as town.

Also, yes my accusation of Rikae in my first post was meant as a joke, both in poking fun at how high strung I was my first game and as a bit of hypocritical humor. I didn't think I'd have to explain this... but there you go.

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 08:28 PM

Just finished reading.

Most Suspicious:

Pitchwife, Wilwa, Noia, and Zil

NotQuiteasSuspicious:

Izzy, Lottie

NotSuspicious: Shasta, Rikae

Undecided:

Everyone Else

AbsoultelyNoSuspicion:

WintyWinty

I will vote in the top category listed, unless someone posts something glaringly wolfish between now and the DL.

X'd with last 3 posts

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 08:29 PM

Half an hour till DL.

Rikae

06-13-2010, 08:30 PM

Aren't we all ignoring someone? Where's Keeper of Dol Guldur? Slated to be modfired if xe doesn't vote very soon, of course - or is xe modfired already?

satansaloser2005

06-13-2010, 08:31 PM

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 08:34 PM

Could someone post the formatting to highlight stuff please?

Paranoia

06-13-2010, 08:35 PM

[highlight]

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 08:35 PM

Thanks

[Pitchwife]

Loslote

06-13-2010, 08:36 PM

Aren't we all ignoring someone? Where's Keeper of Dol Guldur? Slated to be modfired if xe doesn't vote very soon, of course - or is xe modfired already?

Already modfired, I'm thinking.

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 08:36 PM

That wasn't it.

X'd with Lottie

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 08:36 PM

I must admit, I rather approve. I would not be adverse to an Izzy-lynch.

I haven't honestly given a lot of thought to Izzy, though Rikae does bring up some interesting points.

However, I think Wilwa is still tops on my list.

Aren't we all ignoring someone? Where's Keeper of Dol Guldur? Slated to be modfired if xe doesn't vote very soon, of course - or is xe modfired already?

Already modfired, by request.

Could someone post the formatting to highlight stuff please?

Highlight text /Highlight in brackets with no spaces

x/d with all since 216

Paranoia

06-13-2010, 08:36 PM

Erm, rather the highlight goes in the brackets.

Edit: Xed with Lottie, Zul, and Winty.

satansaloser2005

06-13-2010, 08:37 PM

Thanks

[Pitchwife]

What winty means to say is....

++Pitchwife

Winty, if you quote this post you'll see the exact formatting. :)

Also, Rikae, Keeper=Mira, and she is in fact deaded. *weeps over her body*

ETA: Obviously, my "vote" doesn't count. As soon as Winty fixes his coding I'll remove it from my post. ^_^

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 08:38 PM

Aren't we all ignoring someone? Where's Keeper of Dol Guldur? Slated to be modfired if xe doesn't vote very soon, of course - or is xe modfired already?

Pay attention! (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=631920&postcount=169):rolleyes:

EDIT:X'd with Sally. Okay, I'll accept that her re-formatted vote on winty's behalf.

Rikae

06-13-2010, 08:38 PM

I'm not liking this Paranoia wagon. There really seems to be little decent reasoning behind it, and a very morphish looking Wilwa made it a wagon at all (very quickly and eagerly, even). I don't really find Pitch morphish - what he's doing here does seem a bit like what a tasty apple pastry might, though, in order to deflect suspicion from the really morphish. I will really have to look closer at the interaction between Pitch and Wilwa, because the Paranoia votes seem almost coordinated. Like I said, more cobbler/morphish than co-morphish.

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 08:38 PM

++Pitchwife

Thank you, it was a little confusing.

satansaloser2005

06-13-2010, 08:39 PM

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa
Winty-->Pitchie

EDIT: x'd since my last. And now I want a tasty apple pastry. Darn. :(

Rikae

06-13-2010, 08:39 PM

Oh man - I wondered why I had never noticed Mira was playing until she was modfired! Oy.

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 08:43 PM

++Pitchwife

Got reasoning behind that, winty? I know you had him on your "suspicious"
category, but why?

Loslote

06-13-2010, 08:44 PM

You know, reading this over, Pitch, I'm finding you really intersting right now.

Let's start with your analysis of yesterday's votes and actions, and your, you know, overall willingness to attack someone who so far hasn't posted or said anything at all today. Yes, lets.

I don't think I really have to defend myself on the BG vote; I put down why I voted her, reasons beyond the "omg the lists didn't match up" and I did indeed look at both lists; the explanation made absolutely no sense to me and it still doesn't, because the titles were different, and she had obviously reworked bits and pieces of it. There was simply no other conclusion I could come to in my mind. And I honestly think the person who looks the worse out of what happened in the last 20 or so minutes is Willwuffin, because no matter how I read her posts there it all felt like the same thing.

"I really think BG is innocent but I'm not going to deign to tell you guys why I think so, despite how blatantly suspect she is being. I'm going to blithely throw my vote away on sally, and continue saying that even though I think BG is really innocent, I'm not going to meaningfully help her in any shape or form."

On another note, when Shasta and Izzy showed up to defend themselves, you were readily willing to relent; you went from one to the next and then finally me, but as interesting as that is, you completely ignored Zul. It's one thing to vote an innocent with a reason and turn out wrong. It's another thing to vote an innocent without saying a bloody thing, being wrong, and skating by. Something's off there.

Another thing is your basically list topping suspicion of Wilowil.. and yet you still vote me. Something's off there, considering you've basically link her with me/shasta/izzy as the definite member of whatever morphpack is on the ship. Care to explain why you voted me above the one constant amongst your conjecture? "Well well if you're a wolf you're dangerous!" Doesn't cut it. That is always a horrible reason, because you are basically bringing a justification into the game that boils down to "what if they're a wolf?"

I am also not liking Willy's "wahhh the bandwagonners got off scott clean! wahhh why am I under suspicion!" posts. You won't deflect attention, Morph.

Also, to those who are going "He was in the middle of the BG voters where he can skate on by!!!!" Really let me ask you; are you just trying to get on my nerves with that logic? Morphs, Wolves, and Mafia will vote in any order they please. And I don't really call it bandwagoning when someone can provide decent reasoning; bandwagoning to me is just simply voting for someone with an overall rehashed reason.

But let's have a hypothetical situation. Let's say I was a morph. Would I have any reason to vote BG, or further add fuel to the fire when it looked like she was going to get lynched on her own anyway? Nope. It's like last game. Every post of her's added fuel to the metaphorical fire, and the more I looked at her the worse I felt about her. I said as much, and I gave reasoning for why I felt the way I did. If I was Morphanoia, I would have known she was innocent. I probably would have thrown an insubstantial vote on someone I was more suspicious earlier in the day on say... Eomer. That way I have a throwaway that isn't a, you know, obvious throwaway. UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE I COULD MENTION *COUGH*WILLYWUFIKINS*COUGH*. Yes, it sucks she was the seer. Yes, I was wrong. But honestly nothing else made more sense to me at the moment, and her explanation for the differentiation between her suspect list and her vote of lottie for lottie's asking others to come along and vote just did not sit well with me.

On the Note of Lottie: I am very much inclined to think her innocent at the moment, simply based on the fact she didn't have to push for BG for the lynch, nor does she right now have to be stopping (or trying at least) the lynch of an innocent. Overall, she's doing more genuine analysis than I remember from her wolf counterpart, who was rather happy to let things progress how they were going.

I'm also having a hard time reading Zul as a wolf, as since BG seemed like a sure thing at the end of yesterday, he'd have no reason to just come and vote her without a word; Now, this isn't to say he might not have done that as a sneaakkky gambit to say "well as a wolf I wouldn't do that" but... it feels doubtful at the moment.

WIth all of this in mind, my vote is going to

[*highlight]++Willowuffyfluffykins, also known as Wilwarin.[/highlight]

Should I get lynched in the interrim, I'm laying down my suspicions as Pitch, Wilwarin, and Zul as a possibility. I am uneasy about Izzy but I don't feel too bad about her at the moment. I believe Shasta, Lottie, and Rikae as town.

Also, yes my accusation of Rikae in my first post was meant as a joke, both in poking fun at how high strung I was my first game and as a bit of hypocritical humor. I didn't think I'd have to explain this... but there you go.

And so it begins. She has gathered her first vote...

See, I tend to trust Noia a bit more from this post. After reading this, I want him to be lynched even less. So, I'd like an Izzy or Wilwa lynch a lot better. Sally forth, townsfolk, and please tell me which you'd prefer. (I just wanted to use the word Sally in a non-Sally related context. :p)

Noia, by the way, I was amused by your first post, especially the "twitching for a full hour." :p

wintywinty

06-13-2010, 08:45 PM

Yes,
It is the same reasoning that I posted yesterday. I believe its on the bottom of page 4.

X'd with Lottie

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 08:47 PM

Well, I think Para's response was adequate. No vote for him from me toDay.

I'd like to look at Izzy more closely, maybe toMorrow.

++Wilwa

For previously stated reasons.

Isabellkya

06-13-2010, 08:47 PM

For clarification. My #52 was in response to Loslote's #37.
It happens quite often, not even sure why I need to point to it again. People will rule x player out of being a wolf for x reason, because wolves just won't do that. Most often it happens with new players. Quite a few people completely ruled Paranoia out as a wolf, because he was new to the BD - which they read as new to Werewolf in general. Which was not true. I've played in games with him before, it was even stated. Wolves will do just about anything under the sun, especially if it will further their cause - a victory.

My reason for voting for BG implied fabrication/lying/falsehood. Things don't need to be spelled out like that, for it to be seen.

No. 99% of the time, innocents do not need to fabricate a list of their suspicions. Even if they have a result which they are trying to get out - there is still the rest of the player list. Which will have honest suspicions. Wolves on the other hand, know whom the wolves are - therefore will not have honest suspicions.

Really Rikae; suspecting me is all good and fine. But twisting my words, and putting your own meanings to what I said - is beyond ridiculous.

I stated right with my seer thought, that I immediately ruled BG out - as she was too new to try a move such as that.

Again, you are giving your own reasons to what I actually said and meant. I can be a stickler for details. I don't sit well - ever - with people attributing data to me wrongly. I own up to my own actions - but say I did something which I didn't; what I should just continue to let people think that I voted BG because of last game; when I did not. It is conclusions based upon false information.

X'd with everything after #208.

satansaloser2005

06-13-2010, 08:48 PM

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa
Winty-->Pitchie
Pitch-->Wilwa (2)

*grabs some popcorn, listens to rain and waits for more vote posts*

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 08:50 PM

Ten minutes.

Rikae

06-13-2010, 08:52 PM

So, Izzy, you think that it's reasonable to say that copying someone else's suspicion list and then voting, three posts later, for a person you listed as "relatively innocentish" is the sort of thing to further a wolf's victory? On day one, in a village full of inexperienced players eager to lynch for a silly blunder? Wow. I've seen you as a wolf before, and you can be surprisingly formidable, considering you hold such absurd views about wolfish success.

ROFL.

Loslote

06-13-2010, 08:53 PM

++Vanilwuffin

For, of course, previously stated reasons...

EDIT: xed with Rikae...actually, none of the BeiGe-bandwaggoners were particularly inexperienced...

Inziladun

06-13-2010, 08:53 PM

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa
Winty-->Pitchie
Pitch-->Wilwa (2)

*grabs some popcorn, listens to rain and waits for more vote posts*

You appear to have me and Pitch confused there, and he's on there twice.

satansaloser2005

06-13-2010, 08:54 PM

You appear to have me and Pitch confused there, and he's on there twice.

Bugger. Sorry, love.

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa
Winty-->Pitchie
Dun-->Wilwa (2)
Lottie-->Snuggle Muffin (3)

Isabellkya

06-13-2010, 08:58 PM

I thought we were supposed to be voting for whom we thought suspicious. Not whom had more potential to be lynched. Or did the nature of werewolf change in the last week or something without my knowledge?

Rikae. Why do you think this village is full of inexperienced players? 98% of what you say is absolutely ridiculous.

++Rikae

You can deem it as OMGUS I suppose, though that isn't the reason. Yes we interpret what others do - but blatantly spinning it to fit your vote.. come on.

Rikae

06-13-2010, 08:59 PM

My reason for voting for BG implied fabrication/lying/falsehood. Things don't need to be spelled out like that, for it to be seen.
If you disliked even her simple use of Lottie's list so much, why didn't you say so yesterDay?

No. 99% of the time, innocents do not need to fabricate a list of their suspicions.
I wish that were true. However, I've played a few werewolf games myself, you know. In my experience, they very often do just that on Day 1.
Even if they have a result which they are trying to get out - there is still the rest of the player list. Which will have honest suspicions. Wolves on the other hand, know whom the wolves are - therefore will not have honest suspicions.
No, this is backwards. A wolf has no reason to care who is lynched, as long as it's not a buddy - and therefore has the luxury of voting in the way that seems most plausible and consistent. Innocents may have to change their minds in the search for a real baddie.

Really Rikae; suspecting me is all good and fine. But twisting my words, and putting your own meanings to what I said - is beyond ridiculous.

I stated right with my seer thought, that I immediately ruled BG out - as she was too new to try a move such as that.

Ok, so you did. I did not twist your words, I forgot.
I still don't buy it, though, and don't see the point in even mentioning it.

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 09:00 PM

Deadline.

satansaloser2005

06-13-2010, 09:01 PM

Pitch-->Paranoia
Wilwa-->Paranoia (2)
Rikae-->Izzy
Paranoia-->Wilwa
Winty-->Pitchie
Dun-->Wilwa (2)
Lottie-->Snuggle Muffin (3)
Izzy-->Rikae

Rikae

06-13-2010, 09:01 PM

++Vanilwuffin

For, of course, previously stated reasons...

EDIT: xed with Rikae...actually, none of the BeiGe-bandwaggoners were particularly inexperienced...

Point still stands. If I were a wolf going for a convoluted bluff like that would have to have been, I would only do so among a bunch of players experienced enough to know how common such Day 1 innocent lynchings for blunders are. Obviously, this was not such a village - the proof is in the pudding.

Edit: X'd with DL - oops.

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 09:05 PM

Wilwa is dead.

Narration to follow.

Night-people, I'd like your picks at least an hour before the next DL this time.

Nerwen

06-13-2010, 10:33 PM

Death by Muffin

Again the crew gathered on the bridge, or what remained of it, and again the accusations flew. This time they centred on Lieutenant Paranoia and Android Technician Wilwa– the former because he had wanted to kill Blind Guardian, the latter because she had been reluctant to do so.

"Trying to make herself look good, if you ask me," said Loslote, glancing up from the panel she was repairing.

Engineering Technician Shasta nodded firmly. "What the Chief said."

"Indeed– or, as they say on Alpha Goombae VI– schmorfl," Ensign Pitchwife agreed.

"MUFFINS! WHO WANTS MUFFINS?" B.I.L.L.Y. the Android entered, bearing a tray. "ENGLISH MUFFINS, BLUEBERRY MUFFINS, BANANA MUFFINS, APPLE MUFFINS! GET YOUR MUFFINS HERE!"

"What in Space is this?" said Commander Inziladun.

The Android Technician smiled sweetly. "Oh, sir, I thought it was time for refreshments. Won't you try one?"

"No! Don't touch them!" Lieutenant Paranoia knocked the tray from B.I.L.L.Y's hands. It fell to the floor with a crash. Muffins and muffin fragments rolled all over the bridge. "That is... they might have been poisoned... sir."

Wilwa drew herself to her full height, glaring at the Second Officer. "So that's what trying to be nice to humans gets me? That's it then! –B.I.L.L.Y.," she pointed at Paranoia, "Attack!"

"SAVE WILWA! SAVE WILWA! SAVE WILWA!" As B.I.L.L.Y. advanced on the Lieutenant, his hands retracted and were replaced with whirring, needle-sharp drills. "SAVE WILWA! SAVE WILWA! SAVE WILWA!"

"Someone save me!" pleaded Paranoia, backing away. He fired at B.I.L.L.Y., but the rays were deflected by the android's surface.

Yelling a Fundalkn war-cry, Pitchwife tackled the android from behind, while Loslote smashed its head in with an iso-spanner. B.I.L.L.Y. staggered away and crashed into the helm console, which fortunately could hardly be damaged worse than it was already.

After Commander Inziladun had commended Loslote and Pitchwife on their bravery, there remained the problem of what to do with the clearly evil Wilwa.

"Sir," Loslote picked up a large blueberry muffin, "may I suggest– poetic justice?"

Everyone thought that was an excellent plan.

Wilwa kicked and screamed, but they held her down and forced muffin after muffin down her gullet. Whether she simply choked, or whether the Second Officer had been right about the poison, Wilwa's face soon turned blue and, after a few spasms, she went limp.

At first nothing happened.

"Maybe she was just the Traitor?" young Rikae suggested.

"I knew we should have killed Pitchwife," muttered Technician wintywinty. "All that funny talk of his..."

"Quiet!" Commander Inziladun ordered.

A change was spreading over the corpse. First its hair melted away, then its skin hardened and turned to scales, while webs formed between its fingers and the once attractive face flattened into a noseless, wide-mouthed reptilian mask. The dead eyes were huge and yellow now, with slit pupils like a cat's.

Rikae's eyes seemed almost equally huge as he stared at the thing that had been Wilwa.

"Gosh," the boy breathed.

He spoke for all of them.

The Crew

Living
Commander Inziladun –First Officer.
Lieutenant Paranoia –Second Officer.
Ensign Pitchwife –Communications Officer/Interpreter.
Master Chief Petty Officer Loslote –Chief Engineer.
Isabellkya –Sensor Technician, First Class.
Shasta –Engineering Technician.
wintywinty –Weapons Maintenance Technician.
Rikae –"Cabin Boy" (a thirteen-year-old stowaway).

Dead
Doctor Morsul –Medical Officer and Captain McNerwen. –shot by Traitor on Night One.
Ensign Blind Guardian– Tactical Officer. –Died in convulsions (Telepath).
Eomer –Security Officer. –Thrown out the airlock (Bounty Hunter).
Lieutenant Sally –Navigator. –Torn to pieces (Metamorph).
Chief Petty Officer Keeper of Dol Guldur –Quartermaster. –Killed by exploding console (Ordinary).
Wilwa –Android Technician, Second Class. –Force-fed own muffins (Metamorph).

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

It is now Night Three.

Nerwen

06-14-2010, 09:05 PM

Death of a Defender

The Traitor knew that time was running out. He had to make contact with the remaining morph soon, or the whole scheme would end in disaster. While the Traitor had no particular affection for Metamorphs, he had a great deal for his own skin, and he was not at all keen in being made into an object lesson in the perils of failing the Radiant Empire.

However, not only did he believe himself to have a pretty good lead, but the person he suspect of morphery was on duty that Night.

“Awful about Lieutenant Sally,” he remarked, by way of opening the conversation. “I mean, no one deserves to die like that, not even a morph.”

The crewman agreed, somewhat doubtfully.

“And Wilwa, too,” the Traitor went on. “I’m sure she was just trying to help, baking those delicious-looking muffins for everyone!”

The other just stared at him. Clearly this approach was not working.

“Look, let’s get to the point: I am the Traitor,” said the Traitor. "You aren't by chance a Metamorph, are you?”

The crewman’s jaw dropped. “What?”

“Ah,” said the Traitor, taken aback. “Well. You’re not then, I take it? That’s a pity. Not a word about this to anyone– or," he brought a note of menace into his voice, "I can guarantee you won’t live to regret it.”

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*.

The crewman, his shift over, made his way back to his quarters as fast as he could, frequently glancing over his shoulder. Once or twice he thought he glimpsed an odd shadow slipping along behind him, but he told himself it was just his imagination running wild. The ship had become a frightening place in which to be alone at Night– and now, as well as the remaining Metamorph and the mysterious killer of Lieutenant Sally, he had to worry about the possibility that the Traitor would change his mind and murder him to keep him quiet.

At a soft noise behind him he looked back once again– and froze, too terrified even to scream.

The figure was clothed entirely in black, its face covered by a black mask that concealed even its eyes. In its gloved hand it held a small but lethal-looking gun– and that gun was pointed straight at his head.

“Well played, Metamorph, but now it’s– game over,” it whispered, squeezing the trigger.

Something pricked the crewman in the forehead. He plucked it out and saw that it was a kind of dart. “…Huh…?”

The Assassin slumped a little. “Space,” he moaned, “not again!”

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*.

Later that Night, Chief Engineer Loslote took up her post watching the door of the one she had chosen to protect. Her vigil was a brief one.
After less than half an hour someone crept down the hall straight past the Defender, who kept perfectly still in the shadows, and began fiddling with the code-pad on the cabin door.

Loslote coughed. “I believe your cabin’s on the other side of the ship.”

The figure started, then turned, grinning. “Well, well. So you’re the Defender! Not a problem, for me. You may not be the one I planned on killing, but you’ll do just as well!” it said, launching itself at her.

The Defender leapt to meet it.

The child of interstellar diplomats, Loslote had been raised on the third moon of the gas giant Mu Arae b, and had been the only human ever to be trained in the ancient Mu Araen fighting style known as “The Way of the Whirlwind”. Now, for the first time since she had received the Mark of the Warrior from her old master’s tentacle, she felt she was up against an opponent who might be able to defeat her. This being, whatever it was, seemed to have muscles of steel, and it could match her for speed, blocking her every strike while getting in some vicious blows of its own. Loslote’s head swam, her broken left arm hung useless and a cut on her forehead bled profusely into one eye. It was only by luck that one of her desperate hand-chops connected with her adversary’s face, laying its cheek open to the bone.

Or rather metal. The Defender caught the gleam of it deep within the wound, as the thing staggered back.

“What are you?” Loslote panted.

“You mean you can’t guess?” Unlike the Defender, the thing was not even breathing hard. “I’m a–” it broke off, at the sound of approaching steps. “Later!” it promised her, before sprinting away down the corridor.

The newcomer halted just outside the pool of light cast by the nearest wall-lamp. Loslote's blurred vision could make out little more than a vague silhouette.

“Thanks,” said the Defender. “I owe you one!”

“Not at all. In fact, I believe I owe you one,” replied the last Metamorph, stepping into the light. In its webbed, claw-fingered hand it held an iso-spanner of the largest size. “The one you knew as Wilwa happened to be my mate. We had five hatchlings!” The iso-spanner swung up and back in a great arc. “Call it– poetic justice!”

Loslote, in her weakened state, never stood a chance.

The Crew

Living
Commander Inziladun –First Officer.
Lieutenant Paranoia –Second Officer.
Ensign Pitchwife –Communications Officer/Interpreter.
Isabellkya –Sensor Technician, First Class.
Shasta –Engineering Technician.
wintywinty –Weapons Maintenance Technician.
Rikae –"Cabin Boy" (a thirteen-year-old stowaway).

Dead
Doctor Morsul –Medical Officer and Captain McNerwen. –shot by Traitor on Night One.
Ensign Blind Guardian– Tactical Officer. –Died in convulsions (Telepath).
Eomer –Security Officer. –Thrown out the airlock (Bounty Hunter).
Lieutenant Sally –Navigator. –Torn to pieces (Metamorph).
Chief Petty Officer Keeper of Dol Guldur –Quartermaster. –Killed by exploding console (Ordinary).
Wilwa –Android Technician, Second Class. –Force-fed own muffins (Metamorph).
Master Chief Petty Officer Loslote –Chief Engineer. –Beaten to death with iso-spanner (Defender).

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

It is now Day Three. You may post.

Paranoia

06-14-2010, 09:22 PM

I'd like to say day 3, and two metamorphs down; fantastic work, crew. i'd also like to say losing Lottie is quite a blow; two gifted down in two days does not make me a happy camper, though losing the telepath was partially my bad. :o

There is a hitch in whatever killed "Lieutenant Sally" But that's not our primary concern as of this moment; if it's not obvious.

Now, I'd like Pitch to pop up and answer my questions to him in that big rambling nightmare of a post I made at the end of day 2.

I'd also like to see more of Shasta's analysis. And Rikae's.

In the meanwhile, I'm going back to Lottie's posts to see if there's much of anything there that might be of use; with only one metamorph left, I doubt she would have been murdered to redirect suspicion as much as it's likely she was murdered to get suspicion off of someone. And last I checked, she had definite suspicions of Izzy.

Rikae

06-14-2010, 09:54 PM

I have a couple questions for Pitch and Izzy:

Pitch said this yesterDay about Eomer (post #162):

We know he was right about sally, and if there was another morph among his top suspects, I can see the morphs panicking and deciding to get rid of him ASAP. They may also have thought him a possible Agent - not the Telepath, obviously, but either Assassin or Defender.
This doesn't make sense at all. Why should the defender or assassin know the identities of more than one (or one, for that matter) morphs on day 1?

Also, Pitch explains his vote for Paranoia with "if you're wondering why, you haven't read my posts". Well, Pitch, I did read your posts, twice, actually, and I'm still wondering why. It seems to have been process of elimination more than anything. Care to explain?
I'd really like to understand what was behind that vote.

Also, Izzy, in voting for me yesterDay you said:
I thought we were supposed to be voting for whom we thought suspicious. Not whom had more potential to be lynched. Or did the nature of werewolf change in the last week or something without my knowledge?

What were you talking about there? I never said anything about not voting for people you suspected... were you talking to someone else?
As for inexperienced players, Izzy, your WW experience began elsewhere and though you seem to believe you can teach the rest of
us a thing or two, I get the distinct impression your previous experience of WW is significantly different from WW here. For instance, I said something yesterDay about wolves having the luxury of making consistent-looking votes, and innocents, especially on Day 1 with a threat of modfire, sometimes needing to vote without much to go on. Do you disagree with that?
In my brief vacation from WW while finishing the spring semester, Paranoia, WintyWinty and BG seem to have started playing. That's
pretty new. My point was, this wouldn't be a village, and BG wouldn't be the wolf, to try a "silly Day 1 blunder bluff" type deal; but
that isn't what you're saying you thought she did anyway, is it? You're saying you thought it was a genuine mistake by a newbie wolf.
Why should a newbie wolf be so careless? Was she under pressure of any kind? Was there any reason she would have felt she had to vote for Lottie and not someone else? It certainly didn't appear that way. Now, I suppose I can imagine your line of thinking on this being sincere, but if it was I still say it was bad reasoning - well, for Pete's sake, look what it led to! - and you might want to stop defending it and re-evaluate your wolf hunting methods.