WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Nerwen]

Well, let's hope for the best. Can't delay any longer, the way my connection's acting up.

++A Little Green.


Truthfully right now I'd be happy with either Eomer or Greenie being gone, but I feel we could learn a bit more from Greenie's death, which is why I voted her toDay instead of Eomer.

Trouble is, from here it looks like if it's not Greenie, we're also going to have to be looking pretty hard at you, Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Trouble is, from here it looks like if it's not Greenie, we're also going to have to be looking pretty hard at you, Sally.

Hey, fair enough. I've nothing to hide this game.


And now we wait. o_O

[Inziladun]

The third day of their ordeal found the group in a particularly depressed state.
The loss of Boro, who they were now aware had apparently developed a means to protect them, had hit them hard.

It seemed that this day there were three who under the most suspicion: Greenie, skip, and Sally.

It was Greenie who "won" in the end, though.

"You know what to do," Eomer told her.

"I haven't killed anyone!", exclaimed Greenie. "You're all crazy!"

"Go on," said Sally. "We're not going to argue with you."

"Fine!" said Greenie, exasperated. "But when I'm gone, make sure you all get the real killers."

She walked into the chamber. Sally shut the door.

"Okay," said Lottie. "Where do we send her?"

"Well, what about 1066?" suggested Eomer.

"Oh, yes, the Norman Conquest. That should be fun." Nerwen opined.

Lottie set the time for 1066, then pressed the center buttton.

"I told you you're all insane!" yelled Greenie. "It wasn't me....'

"Gzzthktkk", went the machine.

And Greenie was gone, perchance to meet William the Conquerer.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
skip
Fea
Eomer
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior Robot Killer (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3

IT IS NIGHT 4. Wolves and Seer do your thing.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, this was a strangely quiet last hour. Odd.


EDIT: Seriously, x'd? I'm not really complaining, but this is getting to become an accidental habit. :eek:

[Inziladun]

Fea woke from a sound sleep to hear the creak of the floorboards in her room. She opened her eyes and saw two dark figures standing there. The one nearest the door quietly shut it. The other, at the foot of her bed, began walking to the other side of it, apparently to surround her. Suddenly, it stumbled and flung out its arms for balance as it tripped over one of Fea's black high-heeled shoes. Angrily, it kicked the shoe hard into the wall.

"Oh, now you've done it!" she said, her eyes narrowed. "Those are Italian!" The mechanoid's eyes widened in shock as Fea launched herself at it, and both fell to the floor.
Struggling to hold Fea off as she hit and clawed at it, the droid groped on the floor and found the shoe it had kicked. A swing of its arm and the heel went into Fea's eye. She collapsed.

"Thanks for the help!", it said to its partner sarcastically as it pushed Fea off it.

"I thought it was funny," chuckled the one by the door.

"You lousy..." muttered the other. "Never mind."

The two carefully walked out into the hall and made their way back to their rooms.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
skip
Eomer
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior Robot Killer (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4

IT IS NOW DAY 4

[satansaloser2005]

Well, that sucks.

On the plus side, thank you, wolves, for killing someone who I'd forgotten was playing. (I know, right?) Somehow Fea had evaded my attentions, so I'd planned to spend vast amounts of toDay deciding what she was. Now I don't have to.

Of course, now she's dead, so....:(

*hugs her corpse*

[satansaloser2005]

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
skip
Eomer
Agan



Innocent
Sally

Feel okay about currently
Nerwen
Lottie (?)

Iffy on
Skip
Pitch

Want to lynch
Eomer
Agan

[Loslote]

At the very least, Fea got just about the best narration in the history of ever. Death by shoes is definitely the way to go.

Also. Eomer? He should die. One out of Greenie and Eomer are almost definitely evil, Greenie's definitely not, which leaves...

[Nerwen]

It's three baddies to four innocents now, and we don't have a Ranger. So I think if it looks like we're going to lynch someone the Seer knows is innocent, he or she should reveal– if we mess it up toDay we're done for.

[Loslote]

It's three baddies to four innocents now, and we don't have a Ranger. So I think if it looks like we're going to lynch someone the Seer knows is innocent, he or she should reveal– if we mess it up toDay we're done for.

Or, y'know, if you caught a wolf. That'd almost be better, what with the whole "cobbler shows up as innocent" thing. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

It's three baddies to four innocents now, and we don't have a Ranger. So I think if it looks like we're going to lynch someone the Seer knows is innocent, he or she should reveal– if we mess it up toDay we're done for.

As much as I hate to admit it, I think they should reveal anyway. Not right now, of course, assuming you or Lottie even is the seer, but some time toDay. If they have any information it's key that we know it as well, because....well, we're at End Game, people. We can't afford to mess up now.

However, the cobbler doesn't know the wolves for sure, so they'll steal have to tread lightly. That gives me some relief, but not enough to not be freaking out.

[satansaloser2005]

Or, y'know, if you caught a wolf. That'd almost be better, what with the whole "cobbler shows up as innocent" thing. ;)

Trufax. However, we don't want to lynch the cobbler toDay either, as that would result in End Game as much as lynching an innocent. So I'd rather "clear" the cobbler and know not to lynch them than not know anything at all.

[Nerwen]

Trufax. However, we don't want to lynch the cobbler toDay either, as that would result in End Game as much as lynching an innocent. So I'd rather "clear" the cobbler and know not to lynch them than not know anything at all.

In fact, we can't afford to have an innocent vote the cobbler at all toDay. So I suggest everyone hold off voting as late as you can, until all players have responded.

Also. Eomer? He should die. One out of Greenie and Eomer are almost definitely evil, Greenie's definitely not, which leaves...
Who do you suppose to be his partner, then?

[satansaloser2005]

In fact, we can't afford to have an innocent vote the cobbler at all toDay. So I suggest everyone hold off voting as late as you can, until all players have responded.

Agreed. As far as I know I'll be here around the DL, so there's one innocent who can wait around and watch for sneaky ties and things.

That being said, I won't be on much (if at all) between when I go to bed tonight and about three hours before DL. Just so everyone knows, etc., etc.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, kids, I'm afraid that's it from me for tonight. I'll try to check back before I go to work in the morning but I'm not promising anything.

Be good while I'm gone, and don't do anything dumb (like voting me, for instance).

[Loslote]

Who do you suppose to be his partner, then?

I honestly don't know. I feel pretty good about Pitchie, but I could well be wrong about him. I don't really suspect you, but you are, by default, my second choice for "most evil". Agan wins first choice, but I don't really suspect her either. I'm pretty sure Skip is the cobbler, and I'm pretty sure about Sally's innocence. So...Agan, probably. But I'm a thousand times more sure about Eomer.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ok Loslote, you're being pretty obvious. I just hope the village doesn't fall for it.

A thousand times more sure about Eomer, eh? That's only meaning one thing.

Clearly, I can see your game, though no-one else will -- unless you-know-who (and I ain't talking Voldemort) steps forward - not sure if that's wise yet though.

Nerwen's remark was interesting too. She said there's 3 baddies to 4 innocents. There's no way she doesn't realise that the cobbler could be gone already, unless she is the cobbler; but why would she reveal as the cobbler right now? She could be manipulating us to deduce that she is the cobbler, so we don't 'waste' a kill on her.

Worrying. What does everybod else think about that? Or have I misread it?

I note Loslote gives a ;) in response. Too daring?

[Loslote]

Ok Loslote, you're being pretty obvious. I just hope the village doesn't fall for it.

A thousand times more sure about Eomer, eh? That's only meaning one thing.

Clearly, I can see your game, though no-one else will -- unless you-know-who (and I ain't talking Voldemort) steps forward - not sure if that's wise yet though.


What, you think I'm hinting at being the Seer or something? I'm not the Seer, I'll get that out of the way right now. By 'thousand times more sure', I meant that, compared to my almost assurance of your guilt, my suspicion of Agan is barely acknowledgeable.

Nerwen's remark was interesting too. She said there's 3 baddies to 4 innocents. There's no way she doesn't realise that the cobbler could be gone already, unless she is the cobbler; but why would she reveal as the cobbler right now? She could be manipulating us to deduce that she is the cobbler, so we don't 'waste' a kill on her.

Worrying. What does everybod else think about that? Or have I misread it?

Erm...because Zil announces the roles of the dead people, and there hasn't been a 'cobbler' among the list of the dead.

I note Loslote gives a ;) in response. Too daring?

What's this now? Daring how? Did I hint again without knowing it? I thought I was simply pointing out that we can't take the Seer's innocents at face value.

EDIT: Just realized I bolded one of the quotes instead of quoting it. Fixed.

[Nerwen]

I honestly don't know. I feel pretty good about Pitchie, but I could well be wrong about him. I don't really suspect you, but you are, by default, my second choice for "most evil". Agan wins first choice, but I don't really suspect her either. I'm pretty sure Skip is the cobbler, and I'm pretty sure about Sally's innocence. So...Agan, probably. But I'm a thousand times more sure about Eomer.

From my point of view, though, it's a puzzle:

Here's the Day Two votes (known innocents underlined)

Wilwa --> Loslote (1)
Nerwen --> Wilwa (1)
Boromir --> Sally (1)
Green --> Wilwa (2)
Skip - Wilwa (3)
Eomer --> Green (1)
Lottie --> Eomer (1)
Aganzir --> Eomer (2) (on DL)
Pitchwife --> Eomer (3) (after DL, didn't count)

Didn't vote: Fea, Sally.

See, I can understand how you (assuming you're innocent) could see me as a possibility. But I know I'm not a wolf, so for me the question is: if Eomer is Wolf 2, and Skip is the cobbler, who can Wolf 3 be? Agan, if a wolf, didn't need to vote Eomer– she could have just voted Skip like she was talking about, let Wilwa die and kept her hands clean. Now, that wasn't a "safe" vote– either Pitch or Sally following it would have killed Eomer. Could she have just assumed she'd stalled long enough that there was no time for anyone else to vote?

EDIT:X'd since Lottie at #266; clarification.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen's remark was interesting too. She said there's 3 baddies to 4 innocents. There's no way she doesn't realise that the cobbler could be gone already, unless she is the cobbler
??? Do you know something we don't, Eomer? Where does it say the cobbler's role won't be revealed on death?

[Loslote]

See, I can understand how you (assuming you're innocent) could see me as a possibility. But I know I'm not a wolf, so for me the question is: if Eomer is Wolf 2, and Skip is the cobbler, who can Wolf 3 be? Agan, if a wolf, didn't need to vote Eomer– she could have just voted Skip like she was talking about, let Wilwa die and kept her hands clean. Now, that wasn't a "safe" vote– either Pitch or Sally following it would have killed Eomer. Could she have just assumed she'd stalled long enough that there was no time for anyone else to vote?

You know, I don't think she could have assumed that. As a wolf, it really doesn't make sense. But then, it doesn't make sense for wolf!you to point that out, either. So is it possible I'm wrong about Pitchie? Here's a question: can anyone think, off the top of their head, without reading through, anything contraversial he's done? Like, really contraversial? Because now that I think of it, his behavior around Eomer was exactly Mr. Agreeable, and he could have held off voting until just after DL. Does this make sense, or am I being silly?

[Nerwen]

So is it possible I'm wrong about Pitchie? Here's a question: can anyone think, off the top of their head, without reading through, anything contraversial he's done? Like, really contraversial? Because now that I think of it, his behavior around Eomer was exactly Mr. Agreeable, and he could have held off voting until just after DL. Does this make sense, or am I being silly?
No, it makes sense, I think. And somebody's usually the quiet wolf.

But then, how about Agan-cobbler and Skipwolf (impersonating the cobbler)?

[skip spence]

Making a quick pop-in...

well well another Day that went badly...

Poor Greenie... At least you could've sent her sometime nice... Like the swinging 60's...

But okay, let's not be hasty now. We can't afford to lynch another ordo tonight, that's certain, but at least we've got a Seer still alive who can have a say about that. The wolves will be feeling the heat too, no doubt...

Will be back later during the Day... No rushed votes now, ladies and gents!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

??? Do you know something we don't, Eomer? Where does it say the cobbler's role won't be revealed on death?

Apologies if I've misunderstood - it wouldn't be the first time in WW - but I thought Cobblers weren't revealed on death?

Probably getting confused with Curseds. :rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

Apologies if I've misunderstood - it wouldn't be the first time in WW - but I thought Cobblers weren't revealed on death?

Probably getting confused with Curseds. :rolleyes:
Yes, you probably are. Cobblers are usually revealed on death, and there was no indication this game would be different.

[Nerwen]

Fea, yesterDay

Sigh. I didn't think he was the Ranger (I keep sort-of forgetting that role)... but I did think he was innocent. So now I'm a bit bummed that my list of people I trusted is slimmed down that much more.
Could this have been taken as a Seer- hint? If so, the wolves haven't been paying attention:
If xe dreams of the Ranger, the two may PM during the Night Phase only as long as both live.


I don't at all care how suspicious it makes me look to not be around all Day and then just spontaneo-vote for somebody I've not expressed feelings about. Particularly since I'm not going to bother trying to make myself look good by giving you a bunch of bogus reasons as to why this doesn't look suspicious. Of course it does, and I'd be lying if I was like, "No, really, it's completely legitimate to just show up and vote for somebody without giving any good reason."

++Skip

I would much rather see him go than Greenie. If I'm wrong, well, my bad. And if I'm right, I hope the wolves kill me so the seer can get another night.

And more importantly, I hope the seer's dream targets are all still alive so that we get a few known innocents instead of just one or none.
This post, however, does seem like the sort of thing that might look Seer-ish to the wolves. Which doesn't look good for Skip; however, the wolves might also have thought the "dream" was Greenie, in which case this would also be an attempt to frame Skip. (There's no trail from Fea to anyone else, either.)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What, you think I'm hinting at being the Seer or something? I'm not the Seer, I'll get that out of the way right now. By 'thousand times more sure', I meant that, compared to my almost assurance of your guilt, my suspicion of Agan is barely acknowledgeable.

Erm...because Zil announces the roles of the dead people, and there hasn't been a 'cobbler' among the list of the dead.

It seems you're correct about the last thing; I'll give you that much. :p ;)

But I don't buy your explanation of the first. That's an incredibly strong accusation of me (an innocent) compared with another villager. At this stage of the game it's pretty hard for the village not to see you as the Seer, with a comment like that.

[Inziladun]

Cobblers are usually revealed on death, and there was no indication this game would be different.

To clear this up, the Cobbler's role will be revealed upon xyr death. It's only a Seer's dream that will cause xym to show as an ordo.

[skip spence]

As Eomer himself pointed out. And I still don't know what "fairly obvious hint" you guys are talking about! :rolleyes:
To get this thing cleared up too (although Pitch's got the jest of it), and I'm paraphrasing:

Eomer: I'd prefer if Lottie was wielding a sword like a crazy person. She seems too careful now...

skip: Interesting. The last and only time I played with Lottie, she was just that person ie very outspoken and direct about her accusations.

Eomer: Oh really? But to be fair, when I last played with her she was actually very careful like she is now...

Lottie: Oh, but you have to remember, in that game I was a gifted (which can explain my carefulness)

You can see what I and Eomer are talking about, can't you? Then again, I agree with Pitch that Lottie probably would've been more careful if she actually is gifted ie the Seer.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Agan and Greenie's cases on me make no sense, Greenie's especially. While before I had thought Eomer a possible top suspect, Agan seemed to hop onto me quite suddenly, and since I started suspecting her she's pressed harder. A possible panicked wolf? Greenie, however, looks a wolf based on most of her behavior. Her vote for Wilwa (and then for me, when she had said in a closely previous post that she was so far undecided on me) makes me extremely worried.

I think that either Eomer or Greenie HAS to be a wolf, because while I don't think them being wolves together is an option any longer, I think they're both rather independently evil, Greenie especially. I can't get a feel on who Agan's pack would be, which makes me think that perhaps she's not a wolf after all, but she, too, feels furry and opportunistic. Perhaps a Finnish pack? I'm not sure.

Greenie's #206 is the most worrisome post for me. She gives the possibility both of me catching Agan and me trying to set her up, and then quickly seems to decide that I must be the evil one in the situation. Quick hop of logic there.


Basically my main suspects are Greenie and Eomer, because I'm almost certain that one of them is evil, and Agan as third place. Skip too depending on how he answers my question above.

Almost forgot to apologise for being the main cause of Greenie's lynching. Sometimes you just get an idea in your head and it stays there. Got it very wrong. :rolleyes:

A bit cheeky of me then, perhaps, to highlight this post from Sally, but I'm doing some re-reading and this jumps out as being very suspicious.

She has decided that either Eomer or Green "HAS to be a wolf" and I'm not sure why she would come to this conclusion - especially when she clearly states that she has two other suspects.

My main reason for suspecting her is that this move looks like a subtle manipulation attempt. I was highly suspected the day before, correct? Almost the one most likely to be lynched. What better way to get two birds with one stone than to push a relatively unsuspected (until that day) villager ahead of Mr Public Enemy while simultaneously forging a connexion between the two? Pushing this theory cleverly plants the idea that, when Green's innocent nature is revealed, Eomer is somehow more suspicious than he was.

I dunno, this just seems off to me. Maybe I'm being paranoid (who am I kidding - it's what the game is all about!) I don't know how she can narrow down the list like that. We all have top suspects - I myself yesterday said that I'd want Loslote killed if the choice of Greenie was wrong. But Sally's wording seems evil to me.

[skip spence]

So, I know we are all getting rather jumpy regardless of our allegiances but it would be interesting to know who you would consider putting your vote on at this point. Cards on the table now, and remember, no time to play around any longer...

Eomer? He's in vogue no doubt...

Pitchwife perhaps? He has had a smooth ride so far, despite some potentially suspect and shadowy activities...

Lottie?

Or me? On the account of this alleged cobblery?

No shadow has fallen on Aganzir either for some reason. Always worrisome though...

Nerwen?

Sally?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well Skip, since you ask, I am of course not feeling good about anybody right now. I'm feeling worse about Sally and Loslote than anyone else; I am usually worried about Nerwen and always suspicious of Aganzir; and I'm afraid that the only reason I'm not worrying overly much about you and Pitch is that I don't know you as well as the previous two.

I think we'd all do well, though, to take a few minutes, breathe deeply, and consider every single one of the villagers rationally. There's a danger of getting tunnel-vision at this stage.

It's good advice for myself, certainly. :D

[Nerwen]

So, I know we are all getting rather jumpy regardless of our allegiances but it would be interesting to know who you would consider putting your vote on at this point. Cards on the table now, and remember, no time to play around any longer...

Eomer? He's in vogue no doubt...

Pitchwife perhaps? He has had a smooth ride so far, despite some potentially suspect and shadowy activities...

Lottie?

Or me? On the account of this alleged cobblery?

No shadow has fallen on Aganzir either for some reason. Always worrisome though...

Nerwen?

Sally?

*applauds* Ooo, nice villainous conversational style you've got there, Skip. I do hope you're a baddie, now, because it'd be such a waste if you're not!;)

EDIT:X'd with Eomer.

[Aganzir]

So it's 2-5 or 3-4, whichever way you prefer to put it... As several others have been saying, if we don't get either a wolf or the cobbler today, we lose.

Doesn't this mean that cobbler can just as easily do the wolves harm as he/she can be of help to them, really? In the light of this, going for the cobbler when there are two wolves out there seems odd. But as much as I'd like to quarrel with Agan about this, it looks like she's gone for the Day.
In a way, yes - too bad for the wolves if the cobbler finds them innocent-looking enough to vote for one of them. But if both the cobbler and the wolves are alive tomorrow, well, they win. And at this point it's about as important to get rid of the cobbler as lynching a wolf is. It's really rather suspicious of you to try to save the cobbler (by saying that lynching her doesn't matter right now)...

cobblers who survive into the endgame are very dangerous, because then the wolves can reveal openly, and they all vote together.
Fortunately, that doesn't always work. If there's just one wolf left, also the remaining ordo might try to reveal as a wolf. Or the two remaining villagers might try to counter the wolves' claim and with good luck they'd succeed in fooling the cobbler. The biggest reason a surviving cobbler is dangerous is because she can vote for herself - after all, she counts as an innocent.

Still I'd argue that would be more of a concern for the wolves trying to make sure they don't accidentally kill the cobbler, then a concern for the village trying to actively hunt down the cobbler.
So you're suggesting we should ignore the cobbler because there's a chance the wolves might kill her?

While before I had thought Eomer a possible top suspect, Agan seemed to hop onto me quite suddenly, and since I started suspecting her she's pressed harder.
I voted for you pretty randomly, but then you had bad reasons for suspecting me which made me actually suspicious of you. And calling me a possible panicked wolf? Nah. Me? Dear sally, you should know by now that if you want to suspect me without getting it thrown back into your face, your reasons should be extremely good. ;)

Agan is acting rather cobblerish too, bringing up very minor points, making hens out of feathers in a somewhat disturbing manner.
Elaborate.

Now I'm not at all familiar with [Eomer's] wolfing habits, but would he really do something that eye-catching and questionable as a wolf?
I find it rather unlikely... It's good to have proper suspicions on people, but I agree it would really be quite daring to go after the same person three days in a row.

Pitch has a good point about skip voting for the same person as Greenie.

Sorry if I've missed something but why does Greenie's innocence make Eomer a wolf? I really don't like it how some people are pushing it... What happens if Eomer is innocent? We lose.

However, we don't want to lynch the cobbler toDay either, as that would result in End Game as much as lynching an innocent.
Actually, we do. Not as much as a wolf, of course, but if we think somebody is the cobbler, we should go for them.

Also, if somebody fake-reveals as the seer, I think the real seer should hold revealing till tomorrow... For one of the wolves, a fake reveal equals admitting to being a wolf, and I don't think they can afford that now, so if there's a fake-reveal, it's almost certainly the cobbler. Which means the wolves kill her tonight, and we get an extra day. ;)

I can most likely be around till DL too.

Grr I have no idea what we should do today... Personally I might consider lynching skip (getting the cobbler is better than nothing, and I'm rather positive that's him) and waiting an extra day before the seer reveals (if we get the cobbler - or a wolf - today, we're in the same situation tomorrow, except the seer has got one more dream), but then, I'm not a risk taker.

[Nerwen]

Well Skip, since you ask, I am of course not feeling good about anybody right now. I'm feeling worse about Sally and Loslote than anyone else
*shrug* Well, each is quite capable of daring tactics, that's true. And they could be working together. That's if it's not you, of course.

I think we'd all do well, though, to take a few minutes, breathe deeply, and consider every single one of the villagers rationally. There's a danger of getting tunnel-vision at this stage.

No voting until Agan and Pitch have shown up. We need to give the Seer a chance to reveal, if he/she chooses.

EDIT:X'd with Agan.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Agan, I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking Sally's 'Green or Eomer' post was suspicious.

I would find it helpful if people could spell out why they think Skip is the cobbler; I've seen that alluded to a few times and I don't really grasp it. He's a bit, let's dig into the book of cliches, beneath my radar.

Go on, convince me.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

No voting until Agan and Pitch have shown up. We need to give the Seer a chance to reveal, if he/she chooses.

Agreed. Let everyone speak.

[Aganzir]

Not voting:
Nerwen, Pitch and Lottie. I might change my mind after reading through their posts (because that's what I have to do some time today), but they've looked innocent enough thus far.
Eomer, at least not before I know why everyone suddenly wants to get him lynched. Yes I voted for him a couple of days ago, but that was only because I figured he'd be my best bet at saving wilwa (whom I thought innocent). I will probably have to read through his posts as well.

Might vote:
skip, probably my first choice.
sally, she looks somewhat suspicious but I'm not sure if that's because she's actually a wolf this time or because I tend to look at sally through wolf-coloured glasses.

I'm going to go through skip's posts in a while and see if I can find anything else, but he's been making some comments that have sent chills down my spine. Comments that make me think "This is how the cobbler tries to address the wolves!" And Pitch brought up a good point about his voting behaviour being very similar to Greenie's.

[Nerwen]

skip, probably my first choice.
sally, she looks somewhat suspicious but I'm not sure if that's because she's actually a wolf this time or because I tend to look at sally through wolf-coloured glasses.

I'm going to go through skip's posts in a while and see if I can find anything else, but he's been making some comments that have sent chills down my spine. Comments that make me think "This is how the cobbler tries to address the wolves!" And Pitch brought up a good point about his voting behaviour being very similar to Greenie's.
If you think he's the cobbler you probably shouldn't be voting for him.

[skip spence]

In a way, yes - too bad for the wolves if the cobbler finds them innocent-looking enough to vote for one of them. But if both the cobbler and the wolves are alive tomorrow, well, they win. And at this point it's about as important to get rid of the cobbler as lynching a wolf is. It's really rather suspicious of you to try to save the cobbler (by saying that lynching her doesn't matter right now)...
...
So you're suggesting we should ignore the cobbler because there's a chance the wolves might kill her?


Okay let's get two things straight here.

1) I'm not trying to save the cobbler or claiming that we should ignore him/her. All I'm saying is that it would be much better to lynch a wolf than to lynch a cobbler. If we get a wolf toDay and especially if the Seer gets another dream and lives to tell the tale, the village will almost certainly win. If we lynch a cobbler, the wolves still have the advantage.

2) You don't know I'm the cobbler, although you might think you do. In fact I'm not.

Elaborate.
Might do that later, no time now.

Ooo, nice villainous conversational style you've got there, Skip. I do hope you're a baddie, now, because it'd be such a waste if you're not!
Only one way to find out, sweetie! Seriously though, don't lynch me, I'd do you no good. And I tell you this much: I wouldn't lynch you.

[Loslote]

But I don't buy your explanation of the first. That's an incredibly strong accusation of me (an innocent) compared with another villager. At this stage of the game it's pretty hard for the village not to see you as the Seer, with a comment like that.

What? You think throwing out a tentative "maaaaaaybe Agan..." and then saying "but I actually suspect Eomer" (because that's what my comment amounted to) is suspicious? I'm afraid I don't quite follow you.

[skip spence]

And Pitch brought up a good point about his voting behaviour being very similar to Greenie's.
Why is this incriminating? I don't get it... If anything it looks like Pitch (or you in a lesser degree) is trying to frame me...

[Loslote]

And I tell you this much: I wouldn't lynch you.

See, this is the sort of comment that makes us (or at least me, I won't speak for others) think you're the cobbler.

EDIT: xed with Skip

[Nerwen]

Agan, I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking Sally's 'Green or Eomer' post was suspicious.

I would find it helpful if people could spell out why they think Skip is the cobbler; I've seen that alluded to a few times and I don't really grasp it. He's a bit, let's dig into the book of cliches, beneath my radar.

Go on, convince me.

Well, there's this:

Skip, #216. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=637839&postcount=216)
Nerwen, #217. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=637841&postcount=217)
Skip, #218. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=637842&postcount=218)

EDIT:X'd since Skip at #290.

[Aganzir]

If you think he's the cobbler you probably shouldn't be voting for him.
Why? As long as we get a baddie today, it doesn't really matter whether they're a wolf or the cobbler. I'd rather we killed a wolf, but as it happens I don't have any strong wolf suspects while I feel pretty positive about skip's being the cobbler.

All I'm saying is that it would be much better to lynch a wolf than to lynch a cobbler.
Yes it would be better. But lynching the cobbler wouldn't be much worse than lynching a wolf. It looks like you only want us to concentrate on finding the wolves, not the cobbler.

2) You don't know I'm the cobbler, although you might think you do. In fact I'm not.
Is it a language issue or did he just admit being the cobbler?

Might do that later, no time now.
I'd rather you did it if you're planning to cast suspicion in my direction.

Why is this incriminating? I don't get it... If anything it looks like Pitch (or you in a lesser degree) is trying to frame me...
Because it's remarkable how similarly you've voted with Greenie. It looks like you thought she's a wolf and decided to follow her in order not to lynch a wolf.

See, this is the sort of comment that makes us (or at least me, I won't speak for others) think you're the cobbler.
Seconded.

[Loslote]

Is it a language issue or did he just admit being the cobbler?

It does look like an overly defensive cobbler. And it's true - we can't know. Even the seer can't know. But we can make an educated guess, which in my case, happens to make Skip look cobblerish.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen
If you think he's the cobbler you probably shouldn't be voting for him.
Why? As long as we get a baddie today, it doesn't really matter whether they're a wolf or the cobbler. I'd rather we killed a wolf, but as it happens I don't have any strong wolf suspects while I feel pretty positive about skip's being the cobbler.
The cobbler is better than an innocent, yes– but unless we get a wolf toDay it'll be two wolves vs three innocents toMorrow, and possibly no more leads than we have now, if we spend the whole time cobbler-hunting. So the cobbler's a last resort only.


Originally Posted by skip spence
All I'm saying is that it would be much better to lynch a wolf than to lynch a cobbler.
Yes it would be better. But lynching the cobbler wouldn't be much worse than lynching a wolf. It looks like you only want us to concentrate on finding the wolves, not the cobbler.
But hang on, would the cobbler want that, at this stage?

[Nerwen]

It does look like an overly defensive cobbler. And it's true - we can't know. Even the seer can't know. But we can make an educated guess, which in my case, happens to make Skip look cobblerish.

I think what Agan's asking there, though, is whether "You don't know I'm the cobbler" means "I am the cobbler (but you don't know it)".

[satansaloser2005]

Actually, we do. Not as much as a wolf, of course, but if we think somebody is the cobbler, we should go for them.

No, no we shouldn't. Repeat, NO.

Six people. Three innocents, one cobbler, two wolves.

Cobbler dies. Three innocents, two wolves. ToNight an innocent dies. Two innocents, two wolves. Game over.


Tell me how you're thinking that lynching the cobbler makes sense again?

[satansaloser2005]

Also, I'd love to stick around and say more, but my lunch break is a bit rushed today, so I can't reply to everything I'd like to. That just really jumped out at me.

[Aganzir]

But hang on, would the cobbler want that, at this stage?
If he's the cobbler and would prefer to stay alive? You're right though, it doesn't really make sense... it's just the way he keeps pushing it.

I think what Agan's asking there, though, is whether "You don't know I'm the cobbler" means "I am the cobbler (but you don't know it)".
Yeah, that's what I meant. If you used that kind of syntax in Finnish, it would be a confession. I'm not sure about English though - and then, skip himself isn't a native speaker either.

Tell me how you're thinking that lynching the cobbler makes sense again?
Like this: there are seven of us alive, not six. ;) Cobbler dead today + innocent dead tonight = two wolves and three innocents tomorrow.

[satansaloser2005]

*blink*

*blink*

*blink*

Okay, so I can't count. *blushes* I'd left myself out when tallying.

Still, if we can catch a wolf, we go for a wolf. A cobbler is better than an innocent, but they're still not a wolf. I don't like prolonging End Game, I like ending the game. And the only way to do that is to kill a wolf.


Blast. And now I have to go. *grumbles* I'll be back in five or six hours.

[Aganzir]

I read through the thread and would like to update my earlier not voting/might vote list with the following:

Definitely not voting Nerwen. This probably means she's a wolf after all, but I'm willing to trust her for now.

I can't really put my finger on it, but it looks like there might be a connection between Pitch and Lottie. Their thoughts just seem to run along the same lines. After a quick reading, I'm not too concerned about them, but even though I'm not likely to vote for them, it's not a definite no.

I have no idea what I should do with Eomer. Before making up my mind, I'd like to hear some explanations from those who said either him or Greenie must be a wolf.

Sally doesn't look as bad as I remembered, but she doesn't look exactly innocent either.

I will go through skip's posts now.

[skip spence]

Okay, I've got lots of things happening at the same time now, so no time for this cobbler-bickering I'm afraid. Not that I'm overly interested in it either, unless it will prove necessary get the noose off my neck.

Could be on and off for about an hour, then I gotta go. Will almost certainly be back before DL though.

Any support going after Pitch?

Would like to see him make an appearance soon in any case...

[skip spence]

Okay, not voting Pitch toDay obviously (points to admin thread) and here's my heartfelt sympathies. Take good care of your family!

[Aganzir]

So a kind request: could someone please do something suspicious before I get back from work? Okay?
I already talked about this, but I think it would be quite a convenient hint from the cobbler to the wolves.

On day 1, he votes for EW who had made one post so far, saying the timing and phrasing of the post looked sinister.
But remember, where there's life there's hope, and good thing we've got vittles.There's something potentially euphemistic about that phrase. Possibly veiled wolfish banter. Only one way to find out
I know I'm not the best person to talk about day 1 voting, but I think there's a difference between voting more or less randomly and voting for somebody who has only made one IC post & trying to give actual reasons for the vote. The vote makes skip almost certainly not a wolf (it would be quite a bold move to vote for a fellow like that), but I think it looks much more sinister than EW's first post. Poor skip if he's the cobbler, it must have been horrible for him to start a bandwagon against a wolf and have to worry about the wolves attacking him after it...

His 124 is an analysis on day 1's voting, and he seems rather careful not to have too strong opinions on anybody. He semi-defends Greenie and flip-flops on Fea (questioning her lack of mentioning self-defense when she voted for EW). His conclusion is that wilwa and sally look more suspicious for defending EW. Quite understandable but I can but disagree with him - if they were wolves, would they really have tried to stop him getting lynched?

Then there's some theoretical stuff about the EW lynch, and he attempts to explain some comments of his that didn't really make sense. He's been kind of sloppy with the stuff he says, anyway, being often quite ambiguous. I still don't know what he meant when he said he doesn't trust Eomer in any way.

On day 2, he considers voting Pitch (to introduce a new candidate besides Lottie, wilwa and sally), wilwa or sally. He says I'm clearly evil but adds he isn't sure my role in this game is evil. That's a weird comment, it could be put down on flattery (he knows how I like being evil) but there's also something tentative about it, as if he was trying to drop a hint to me... Kind of acknowledging "I think you're evil but let's keep it a secret between the two of us".

He jumps on Eomer's point about Lottie being quiet, pointing out that she's really different from the previous time he played with her. I might add that last (and only) time I played with Lottie she was all over the place and really confident - and she was a sheriff who could share her opinions with her fellow sheriff. Skip played in that game. I expect a player's ordo (or alone working gifted) behaviour to be the norm, and assume Lottie isn't so certain about people's roles in every game she plays... So it seems skip is accusing her of "being normal", if you know what I mean.

Then he votes for wilwa, saying he feels bad about jumping on a bandwagon but wants to "trust his original impression". So, what was this original impression? And what the heck is this comment about?
Good night and may a lucky star shine on us!

ps. you know who I mean by us!

On to day 3... His reaction to my vote for him is weird if he's the cobbler, arguing there's no sense in voting for the cobbler because she can be both harmful and useful to the wolves. If he's the cobbler, one would expect he actually wants to get lynched. Although hmm, arguing so doesn't really tell anything about his role because if he consented to die without a fight, it would be too obvious he was the cobbler and there are probably still some people around who think killing the cobbler is far from being a priority.

Indeed, it might be argued that if you're the cobbler we should certainly keep you around.
It might...
Again. What?
He adds it's much more important for the wolves not to kill the cobbler than it is for the villagers to find her. Trying to drop hints to the wolves again: "Hey it's important you guys don't kill me!"?

He suggests there were no wolves in the wilwagon because it would've been convenient for the wolves just to sit back without getting their hands dirty. Nerwen, Greenie and skip himself voted for her. By then, his pattern of voting the same way as Greenie had already come into being. Also, he and Nerwen had had the short exchange about keeping the cobbler alive (see above). It's possible he thought he had hit both the remaining wolves... Because it really seems like a stretch to say the wolves would behave in a certain way in a certain situation. Way too simple. Okay, we already know Greenie was innocent, and I feel rather good about Nerwen too, but the way skip put forth his theory really looks like he had a hidden agenda.
He analyses the votes that came after his vote for wilwa but doesn't reach any definite conclusions: everything could go either this way or that. He ends up following Greenie's example and votes for sally.

Today he opposes lynching the cobbler. Yes, of course it's better if we catch a wolf, but even the cobbler is enough, and if we have a strong hunch about the cobbler, I think we should go for it (surprise anybody?).

2) You don't know I'm the cobbler
Is this supposed to mean "You don't know that I'm the cobbler" or "You don't know if I'm the cobbler"?
Plus what he said to Nerwen. He looks like the cobbler who thinks he's found a wolf and tries to signal to her.
Seriously though, don't lynch me, I'd do you no good. And I tell you this much: I wouldn't lynch you.

no time for this cobbler-bickering I'm afraid. Not that I'm overly interested in it either
If you're innocent, you should try to convince me it's a bad idea to lynch you instead of just ignoring me. Seriously.

I'm going to have a break now but will check in every now and then. I seriously consider voting for skip spence at this point, unless I get a better idea.

[skip spence]

His conclusion is that wilwa and sally look more suspicious for defending EW. Quite understandable but I can but disagree with him - if they were wolves, would they really have tried to stop him getting lynched?
In retrospect I agree. Voting Wilwa was a proven mistake and I'm not really into lynching Sally either at this point.

he doesn't trust Eomer in any way.
Simple as. At that point I didn't trust him at all. Without saying that I suspected him in any particular way either.

He says I'm clearly evil but adds he isn't sure my role in this game is evil. That's a weird comment, it could be put down on flattery (he knows how I like being evil)
It was flattery alright and I'm also flattered by your long and interesting analysis. But I feel that you are baiting me (and although I'm dying to respond in like fashion) I'm not falling for it.

There are two wolves out there and I'm not one of them. Don't think Agan is one either.

[skip spence]

Okay, I'm going out for a few hours now. Will almost certainly be back. Be cool now!

[Aganzir]

But I feel that you are baiting me (and although I'm dying to respond in like fashion) I'm not falling for it.
I am not. I don't expect your reply to be as lengthy as my analysis of you, but you got to face it, you look very much like the cobbler. If you're innocent, you're harming us by refusing to answer to my points against you & trying to make me look like I was making a mountain out of a molehill. Was there nothing you'd like to clarify, or did I get everything right and you're now trying to hush it down? :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Interesting analysis, Agan. One of the best I've read in a while. Doesn't mean you're right or wrong, mind; I just enjoyed the style. :p

My problem, which I've been struggling with for a couple of hours, is that I suspect Loslote more, but fully expect there to be more support for lynching Sally (I'm talking about my two main suspects here).

Still, in my opinion, Loslote deserves to die. She made, to my mind, a vague gifted hint to make critics (skip & myself) back off - to back off from fairly legitimate questioning of her playing style, may I add. A style which seems to have changed since then (as the village has grown smaller and her role thus more prominent, I will concede).

She obviously survived this gifted hint.

She then made another vague gifted hint, saying that she was a thousand times more sure of my guilt than Aganzir's (that could be a paraphrase but those were basically the words). If she says that about any other villager, I'm voting for him/her, because that looks seerish to me. However, I'm in the privileged position of knowing that she is either making absurd claims about a blind guess, or actually lying.

Because of the stakes, I think she's lying. That's why she gets my vote.

But I do guess that Sally's the other wolf.

++LOSLOTE

And now bedtime.

[Aganzir]

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie

[satansaloser2005]

I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying.

I'm back (obviously) but the next hour or so I'll be on and off. After that, I'm here and ready to kill a wolf. Let's get at this, people. No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves.

[Aganzir]

I think it's freaking hilarious that Eomer suspects the two people who have been going after him the most. I'm just saying.
If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

No more of this "you're the cobbler, I want to kill you" rubbish. I won't stand for it. We're killing wolves.
I don't know about you but I'm killing baddies, regardless of their exact role.

Now that you're here, sally, would you care to tell me why you thought either Eomer or Greenie had to be a wolf?

[satansaloser2005]

No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.



As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc. I'll admit, Eomer is more of an opinion based on feelings than concrete evidence, which is another reason I voted Greenie yesterDay rather than him.

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

[satansaloser2005]

If you're innocent yourself, the only thing you know for sure is your innocence and therefore you know that everybody who suspects you is suspecting an innocent. I'm not saying Eomer is innocent, I'm saying it's perfectly understandable he suspects those who suspect him.

Yes, but the fact that he seems to have no other real suspects? Come on now.

[Aganzir]

And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.
Because I have found somebody who I'm pretty sure is the cobbler while I haven't found anyone whose wolfishness I feel sure enough about.

As for Greenie and Eomer, process of elimination, to be honest, that and the way Greenie had been acting with our exchanges, etc.
That doesn't really tell me much...

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory.
Lynching the cobbler you're fairly sure about is just as good as throwing a blind guess at somebody who might or might not be a wolf. I don't really understand why you have an issue with this - especially as I think I've said several times that you're probably my second option if I don't vote for skip. Or are you the cobbler yourself? :p

We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.
Or the cobbler. Tell me who's a wolf and I might vote for them, but as long as I don't have a strong suspect, skip is my first choice.

Yes, but the fact that he seems to have no other real suspects? Come on now.
Is that so unheard of?

[Nerwen]

No, you're not. It's not the same. Killing a cobbler gets rid of someone with an evil alignment, but the cobbler isn't killing us. Killing the cobbler takes our innocent numbers down by one, regardless of their intentions. And no, I'm not saying that we should leave the cobbler alive if they're found, but our priority is to kill wolves. I can't understand why you're arguing this point.
If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

[satansaloser2005]

Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me. :rolleyes:

*snuggles her Shastasicle*

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

[Aganzir]

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)
And tomorrow the seer will have had another dream (assuming the wolves don't kill them). I'm not risking losing the game now - even though I don't have a strong opinion on who's a wolf, I'm rather positive lynching skip can't do us much harm.

Incidentally, I'd like to point out to Agan that if Skip is the cobbler, I can't be a wolf, because if I was....well, dang. And I thought Shasta hated me.
I'm too lazy to think this through so I'll just ask you to explain the joke to me. :p

[satansaloser2005]

If we don't kill any baddie toDay, though, it's over, unless the wolves Night-kill the cobbler. (On the other hand, if we do kill the cobbler, we'll be in the endgame toMorrow.)

Fair point. But Agan's actively trying to lynch the cobbler. It's not her failsafe plan, it's her plan plan. She has NO other suspects? I don't believe it. I think she's hiding behind her "lack of real suspects" to either lynch the cobbler (assuming that's what Skip is) or to lynch an innocent under the guise of trying to prudently lynch the cobbler. Either way, bad.


Also, this....

Lynching the cobbler you're fairly sure about is just as good as throwing a blind guess at somebody who might or might not be a wolf. I don't really understand why you have an issue with this - especially as I think I've said several times that you're probably my second option if I don't vote for skip. Or are you the cobbler yourself?

EVERYONE is a blind guess at wolfdom, in a way. And regardless of her suspecting innocent me, she clearly is saying here that she suspects me of being a wolf. If that's the case, shouldn't I be her first option, not her second, especially when her first is the cobbler?


I'm not saying that wanting to lynch the cobbler is evil, but when Agan doesn't even seem to be trying to come up with better candidates, it looks like a copout.



Oh, and are we again forgetting that Agan chose to vote me out of myself and Elf? I still think that's pretty suspicious, thanks very much.


EDIT: x'd with Agan

[satansaloser2005]

I'm too lazy to think this through so I'll just ask you to explain the joke to me. :p


Shasta was a cobbler who killed all his wolves. But we don't talk about it because....oops. :p


ETA: I should point out, however, that it wasn't really all his fault. The pack had super bad luck anyway.

[skip spence]

Okay I'm back from a luttle night out with some wicked live jazz, and I see that nothing much is new... except that Eomer voted Lottie...

A roll call if I may... Who are here to vote come the DL? All of us, except Pitch?

[Aganzir]

Fair point. But Agan's actively trying to lynch the cobbler. It's not her failsafe plan, it's her plan plan. She has NO other suspects? I don't believe it. I think she's hiding behind her "lack of real suspects" to either lynch the cobbler (assuming that's what Skip is) or to lynch an innocent under the guise of trying to prudently lynch the cobbler.
It's my plan plan because I'm like 85% sure he's the cobbler while I'm, let's say 55% sure you're a wolf. I much rather vote for my 85% baddie than the 55% one. The lynches have been extremely non-informative to me thus far given that the first was a bandwagon for a quiet wolf and the last two who were lynched were people I considered innocent. So I've never had a real need to review my suspicions, if you know what I mean.

If that's the case, shouldn't I be her first option, not her second, especially when her first is the cobbler?
As I said I'm not half as sure of your guilt as I'm of skip's... And the way you defend yourself gives me second thoughts because I'm not sure a wolf would try to save the cobbler at her own expense.

Shasta was a cobbler who killed all his wolves. But we don't talk about it because....oops.
Ah okay. When I was the cobbler, I basically killed three out of the five wolves. Way to go.

edit: xed with skip. I'll be here.

[Aganzir]

Oh and I actually think we should avoid a last minute voting rush because that way it's easier for the wolves to steer the lynch (assuming they're around).

[satansaloser2005]

Oh okay. When I was the cobbler, I basically killed three out of the five wolves. Way to go.

Also, if a cobbler dies at Night, always lynch Boro. *waves* Hi, honey. :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Oh and I actually think we should avoid a last minute voting rush because that way it's easier for the wolves to steer the lynch (assuming they're around).

Agreed, at least in a way. We shouldn't all vote super early, but let's try to not ALL hold our votes.

I know I'll be holding mine, but of course I also know I'm innocent. o_O

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and Skip? I'll be around. Erm, obviously. :p

Making dinner right now, and I've some things to attend to, but I should be active barring any unexpected apocalypses. Or cake. If there's cake....man, I don't know.

[skip spence]

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

[skip spence]

I should be active barring any unexpected apocalypses. Or cake. If there's cake....man, I don't know.
Stay off the cake, m'kay, we need you here!

[satansaloser2005]

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.

[skip spence]

So, Lottie, you around?

[satansaloser2005]

Stay off the cake, m'kay, we need you here!

But but but but....but cake! :(


Okay, off to make dinner now. Anyone want some nummy pasta? I'm willing to share! :D

[Aganzir]

It's also possible Lottie is a wolf or the cobbler preparing for a fake reveal or just wanting to give a seer impression, and she's chosen Eomer as her victim, counting on the real seer not revealing yet. Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements. I find it rather unlikely she's a wolf though given her role in EW's lynching.

edit: xed with two sallys & a skip. I want pasta! Oh and skip I really wouldn't mind getting some answers from you.

[skip spence]

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.
Okay, not so much toDay perhaps, but Agan's theory was based on events that took place earlier and, bless you, you could easily have been lynched at some point earlier, couldn't you? As far as I can remember, which to be fair isn't that far at this point.

And Agan, I don't think I have any reason to explain myself to you. Barking up the wrong tree, luv.

[Aganzir]

And Agan, I don't think I have any reason to explain myself to you. Barking up the wrong tree, luv.
In that case I don't think I have any reason to abstain from voting for you... Except that's probably exactly what you want. :rolleyes:

[skip spence]

Will have a look at Lottie and Eomer though...

[Inziladun]

DL in one hour.

[Aganzir]

This doesn't really matter because I'm almost certainly voting for skip today, but...

I'm not voting for Nerwen, Pitch or Eomer today. I'm much more worried about Eomer being just an easy lynch than actually a wolf, and I still haven't got a satisfactory explanation for why he must be a wolf because Greenie turned out innocent.

Will take a quick look at Lottie now. Is there anyone around (except skip & sally, probably)?

[Loslote]

I have no idea what I should do with Eomer. Before making up my mind, I'd like to hear some explanations from those who said either him or Greenie must be a wolf.

They were my top suspects, but it looked impossible for them to be a pack. So I figured that one of them was evil, and one wasn't. Now that Greenie is proven to be the 'wasn't', Eomer is my top suspicion.

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Agan always does this. I'm inclinded to trust her more because of it, even if I don't entirely agree with her.

So, Lottie, you around?

Now I am.

Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements.

Is it really so hard to believe? :(

[Aganzir]

Lottie apologises when voting for EW (bold for a wolf?). She tends to mention me, Pitch and sally as people she trusts (skip and Eomer looked decent on day 2, and she didn't know of Nerwen). She's been obsessing about Eomer since he and skip compared her behaviour in different games. Apparently she thought he was hinting at her being a gifted, but he had only played with her once before so I don't think you can really accuse him of suggesting she's a gifted if her only playing style he knows is from a game she was a gifted. And suddenly she suggests lynching him.

She acknowledges my point of Eomer not having played with her before, but come the next day, Eomer still looks like a big bad wolf. The previous day she had only had a weak case against him and a vague gut feeling about Greenie, but now she's all up for killing them both. However, she also goes through skip's posts and finds him rather cobblerish. If she was a wolf, would she try to throw the cobbler into the spotlight? I think not, unless she or one of her fellows was in an immediate danger of lynching.

Now she's so sure of Eomer's wolfdom she's looking for fellows for him. Pitch is Mr Agreeable around Eomer, and I'm apparently a possible wolf too.

Ah heck... She could really go either way. Her seemingly ungrounded suspicion of Eomer & Greenie is weird and reminds me easily of her suspicion of me the first time we played together. I mean, being so sure she's blind to any other options. But it would also be quite convenient for a wolf, especially now that they have to push to get a few innocents lynched in order to win.

I'm totally at a loss.

[skip spence]

One thing is clear: Lottie AND Eomer aren't both wolves. Unless I'm tripping...

[Aganzir]

They were my top suspects, but it looked impossible for them to be a pack. So I figured that one of them was evil, and one wasn't. Now that Greenie is proven to be the 'wasn't', Eomer is my top suspicion.
I still think you're a tad too sure of it, but I'm willing to let it pass. At least it's definitely not enough to make me vote for you.

I'll be around till the deadline but I'm not going to hold my vote any longer.

++skip

Because I think he's definitely our best bet at the moment.

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie (1)
Agan - skip (1)

Left: Nerwen, sally, Lottie, skip

[Loslote]

I'm apparently a possible wolf too.

Not really. The only reason I had for suspecting you at all was a lack of other suspicions. Same thing I've been saying to Eomer: I'm a thousand times more sure of him because I'm not at all sure of you. A thousand times .01 isn't a seer dream; its normal suspicion.

EDIT: xed with skip and Agan

[skip spence]

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

[Aganzir]

Not really. The only reason I had for suspecting you at all was a lack of other suspicions. Same thing I've been saying to Eomer: I'm a thousand times more sure of him because I'm not at all sure of you. A thousand times .01 isn't a seer dream; its normal suspicion.
Yeah I know that... But I can't really see why Eomer is so suspicious, either. If he was a wolf I think he would've reacted differently to your suspicion; he was more like "Don't you try that trick on me" than "EEEEEK have I been seer-dreamed help me!?!?"

[Aganzir]

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)
Half past 10am if a random website I googled is to be trusted.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)
I'm back. And it's 10:37 AM, but I'm not working today– at least, I should be, but I'm actually waiting around for some other people to get their acts together.

So I'll be probably be around until DL this time– unless my connection dies on me, which I can't guarantee it won't.

EDIT:X'd with 2 Agans.

[Loslote]

Yeah I know that... But I can't really see why Eomer is so suspicious, either. If he was a wolf I think he would've reacted differently to your suspicion; he was more like "Don't you try that trick on me" than "EEEEEK have I been seer-dreamed help me!?!?"

Neither would I have been. I never said I'm the Seer (because I'm not) so he was never dead. He could still fight it, and what better way to save himself than by casting suspicion on who he thought might be the Seer? Although I must admit, I don't know why, if he honestly thought I was the Seer, he wouldn't have Night-killed me.

And I second Skip: Sally and Nerwen, we kind of need you. Who are you guys planning to vote?

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

[Nerwen]

And I second Skip: Sally and Nerwen, we kind of need you. Who are you guys planning to vote?
Probably Eomer or skip.

[satansaloser2005]

Neither would I have been. I never said I'm the Seer (because I'm not) so he was never dead. He could still fight it, and what better way to save himself than by casting suspicion on who he thought might be the Seer? Although I must admit, I don't know why, if he honestly thought I was the Seer, he wouldn't have Night-killed me.

And I second Skip: Sally and Nerwen, we kind of need you. Who are you guys planning to vote?

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

Hence I think either he's trying to trap innocent!Lottie or Lottie is a wolf. I think the latter is more likely.


And I'm not sure yet. I think I'll have to go with the best of the candidates presented when I vote. Sadly, it's looking like Skip's going to flip the biscuit. I mean I'm not saying I trust him completely, but I'd prefer other suspects.

[Aganzir]

Although I must admit, I don't know why, if he honestly thought I was the Seer, he wouldn't have Night-killed me.
Exactly. I just can't see it being worth it. If he had night-killed you, he would probably have been suspected regardless of whether you were the seer or not, but then he could at least have said the wolves were just trying to frame him. Whereas now, if you actually were the seer and revealed him, he'd have no way whatsoever to get out of it. Yes of course there are fake reveals and stuff, but he would've been in so much more serious trouble.

[satansaloser2005]

My post above should say FORMER, not LATTER. I completely spaced in the middle of the post and forgot which order I proposed the ideas in. Apologies.

[skip spence]

Yeah okay no point in delaying this any longer...

It's either he, Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

True, Eomer hasn't been caught with his pants down but be that as it may, I think he's our best bet to get a wolf at this point. Not an easy lynch mind you, but if you ask me, a necessary one.

++Eomer

[Nerwen]

Hence I think either he's trying to trap innocent!Lottie or Lottie is a wolf. I think the latter is more likely.
??? Sally, was that a typo for "the former", or have you just done another Legate-180? (Which needs to go in the Glossary, now that I think about it.)

EDIT:X'd with several, incl. Sally's explanation.

[Aganzir]

Probably Eomer or skip.
While I hate to say this (I think people should have the right to vote for whomever they please), it's probably best not to spread the votes too much. That way an innocent getting lynched is more likely, if the wolves hold their votes till very late.

And I'm not sure yet. I think I'll have to go with the best of the candidates presented when I vote. Sadly, it's looking like Skip's going to flip the biscuit. I mean I'm not saying I trust him completely, but I'd prefer other suspects.
If you ask me, we should try him. Can't do too much harm.

[Loslote]

My post above should say FORMER, not LATTER. I completely spaced in the middle of the post and forgot which order I proposed the ideas in. Apologies.

This expains the complete 180. :p And yeah, clearly that's what I'm thinking, too, as I know I'm innocent.

EDIT: xed with Skip, Nerwen, and Agan.

[Loslote]

[*highlight]++Eomer[/highlight]

Say what now? My head hurts. :eek:

[Aganzir]

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie (1)
Agan - skip (1)
skip - Eomer (1)

Left: Nerwen, sally, Lottie

When I told Nerwen we shouldn't spread the votes, I remembered incorrectly that it was Eomer, not Lottie who already had a vote. So I wasn't actually pushing her to vote skip even though I wouldn't mind if she did. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

For the love of sweet binary....


There's just too much sauce in the brain pan. :(

[Aganzir]

I just realised that if neither of the wolves has voted yet, we're done for. :eek:

[Nerwen]

Say what now? My head hurts. :eek:
Indeed.

Agan, what do you think of the fact that Skip just voted Eomer?

EDIT:X'd since last post.

[skip spence]

I'd urge you to rationally consider what Agan is saying and why...

[Loslote]

I'd urge you to rationally consider what Agan is saying and why...

That you're the cobbler? I'm sorry, but I'm not following.

[satansaloser2005]

Many things about this are not good....

[skip spence]

Yes, that's what she's been saying, isn't it?

[Aganzir]

Indeed.

Agan, what do you think of the fact that Skip just voted Eomer?
Either he thinks Eomer is innocent (thus Lottie is a wolf) or he thinks Eomer is a wolf, is sure one of them is going to die and wants to make the other look better. Assuming, of course, he's the cobbler.

I'd rather kill him than Eomer though. (News to anybody?)

[Aganzir]

Yes, that's what she's been saying, isn't it?
And what's the reason you suddenly want people to consider it rationally when they should concentrate on voting?

[Loslote]

Yes, that's what she's been saying, isn't it?

It...it is...I still don't get it. You can't misinterpert that as another Seer hint; the Seer doesn't See the cobbler. Are you saying we should lynch you or something? :confused:

EDIT: xed with Agan

[satansaloser2005]

Eomer-->Lottie
Agan-->Skip
Skip-->Eomer

Left: Nerwen, Sally, Lottie



Hmmmm....

[skip spence]

No dammit, lynch Eomer, ergo my vote!

[satansaloser2005]

Skip, if you've got something to say, say it. Now.

[satansaloser2005]

++Eomer

[Loslote]

No dammit, lynch Eomer, ergo my vote!

++Eomer

But I still don't know why you're pressing this. :confused:

EDIT: xed with Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Screw it.

Eomer's a wolf, okay? Lynch him. NOW!


EDIT: x'd with Lottie. Oh bother. That was stupid of me then.

[skip spence]

yes, do nothing or vote eomer or possibly agan

[Aganzir]

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie (1)
Agan - skip (1)
skip - Eomer (1)
sally - Eomer (2)
Lottie - Eomer (3)

Left: Nerwen

So he's dead.

[Nerwen]

++Eomer

[Aganzir]

I hope we got it right...

[satansaloser2005]

So he's dead.


Very dead, actually.

[Inziladun]

DL Stop. I'm sorry it's late, but my computer picked an inconvenient time to do an anti-virus update.

[satansaloser2005]

DL Stop. I'm sorry it's late, but my computer picked an inconvenient time to do an anti-virus update.

*huggles you and your computer* S'all right, oh modly one. We love you! :D


*waits with baited breath....yes, baited*


ETA: You can't break tradition! ;)

[Inziladun]

As the dwindling group spent their fourth day in the desolate house, their discussions became more heated.

The decision this day was that Eomer would be the next to go.

He surveyed his accusers silently, seeming to size them up. Then he shrugged his shoulders and walked into the chamber.

"Well, what's the year"? asked skip.

"Let's send him someplace interesting," said Sally. "How about the fourteenth century? Great Plague, wars, he'll find something to do."

"Ok by me", said Lottie.

Nerwen set the year for 1325, then pushed the center button.

"Nooo! I'm innocent!" Came Eomer's voice from inside the chamber. Then silence.

The party slowly made their way to the window in the chamber. Hardly daring to breathe, they peeked inside. Suddenly Eomer's face leaped out at them as he pressed against the glass. One eye had revolved into his head to show the white, and smoke poured from his mouth and ears.

"AUUGHTTRRRR!" the malfunctioning robot screamed. It reached a trembling hand toward them in frustration, then abruptly collapsed.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
skip
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4
Eomer (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Done to a turn Day 4

IT IS NIGHT 5. Remaining wolf and Seer send your picks.

[Inziladun]

With a start skip woke up suddenly. Where was he? The large room was dark, lit only by flashing control panel lights from a machine in the center of the room. Then it came to him: he was in the old dining room of a house in the English countryside standing near a time machine.

What, was I sleepwalking? He thought. It had been a long time since he'd done that. And now coming back to him was the dream he'd just had, a dream of one of the people in this house being a soulless killer.

The last one! he said to himself. How would he go about telling the others? All they had to do was get rid of this one and they'd be free to await the opening of the door to the outside in peace.

"What are you doing?" said a voice behind him. Turning, he beheld a shadowy form by the door leading to the stairs. He knew who it was: the very one he'd just dreamed of.

"You." said skip flatly "I know what you are."

"What am I?" asked the newcomer.

"You're the last of those robots. I've had dreams while I've been here; dreams about the people in this house. I know they've been true."

"That doesn't matter now," it said. "I'm afraid your dreaming days are over." It slowly, but implacably began walking toward him.

"What are you going to do?" asked skip. "Put me in the freezer? Kill me with footwear?"

"Oh, no. I don't want to get repetitive".

"What do you mean by that?" said skip. trying to keep the thing talking.

"That's right, you don't know. You see, my companions and I were originally sent here to see what that looney "professor" was up to now and put a stop to it. But then we got thinking: all this here would make a great movie on its own. We've been recording everything that's happened here. And when I get back, it all gets downloaded, and there's your next summer blockbuster. Maybe Brad Pitt will play you!" It laughed.

On one side of the room was a long-disused fireplace, with the associated tools still waiting in a rusty stand. The robot, as it passed the fireplace, picked up a poker and began to slap it against its palm thoughtfully.

Though skip had been looking around himself for weapons, he saw nothing he could reach before the thing got to him.

"You're a fan of Lord of the Rings, aren't you skip?" it asked. "Remember what happened to Frodo in the Mines of Moria?"

Before skip had a chance to say anything, the fiend, in the blink of an eye, hurled the poker at his chest like a spear.

Slowly, skip fell to his knees. He tried, with rapidly ebbing strength, to remove the poker embedded in his sternum, but succeeded not at all.

"Forgot your mithril coat, I see," it chuckled. "What a shame."

As skip's vision began to darken, he thought only of his housemates, and hoped he'd been able to help them enough to get them through this.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4
Eomer (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Done to a turn Day 4
skip (Seer)- "Skewered like a wild boar" Night 5

Day 5 HAS BEGUN

[satansaloser2005]

My darling Skip:

Humble apologies. I picked up on your seer hints AGES ago and, of course, only suspected you to keep the wolves from....well, doing what they just did. However, I obviously could have been a bit more forthcoming with a fake seer act or something before 10 minutes pre-DL yesterDay, because that just may have helped. I was hoping that I'd be able to let things play out and just hop onto Eomer (or whomever, for that matter, but he was of course my first choice) at the end of the Day, but that quickly became impossible, and I should have just come out at that point, but NO, I didn't. I know, I'm a bit of a thickhead, but I shall avenge you.

Yours truly and in innocence,

Sally

[Loslote]

Sally, if you've picked up on Seer hints, did you pick up on who he hinted? If not, I'll go look through his posts; hopefully he left something.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, if you've picked up on Seer hints, did you pick up on who he hinted? If not, I'll go look through his posts; hopefully he left something.

I'll go look later on, but right now I have a major neck ache (and I have to be at work earlier than usual, so I may just go to bed in an hour or so). Sorry. :(

[Loslote]

I went through Skip's posts looking for Seer hints, and it looks like he might have dream of TEWie Night 1.

[*highlight]++Wilwa[/highlight]

This says that he did not dream of a wolf Night 2.

I'm pretty good about Boro, Lottie and Fea.

So he almost certainly dreamed of one of us three. I don't think he dreamed of Boro, because then they'd have been able to pm, and I didn't see any evidence for that. I don't think he dreamed of me because of later comments. Thus, I think he probably dreamed of Fea. Besides, dreaming of her would make sense.

The next Day he says:

but there's just something about the situation that makes me think that there were no wolves among the Wilwa-voters.

This speaks pretty strongly for Nerwen or Greenie as the next Night's dream.


Lottie voted for Eomer for pretty suspect reasons. It was mostly mine and his comments about her alterered playing-style that did it I think. She also made a fairly obvious gifted hint, as someone else pointed out, yet lived through the night. On the other hand, her decisive role in killing off Wolf-warrior speaks for her.

Fea didn't vote which isn't too reassuring, but I'm not overly worried about her at this point.

This, again, speaks for him dreaming Fea, not me.

The next Day:

And I tell you this much: I wouldn't lynch you.

This speaks very strongly for Nerwen's innocence. Combined with other indications that he'd dreamed her last Night, things are looking very good for Nerwen.

Any support going after Pitch?

This suggests that he didn't know about Eomer yet. Was his Seer-hinting towards Eomer a bluff? Or had he dreamed of Pitchie earlier and found him guilty? Or did he just suspect Pitchie? The fact that he backed off quickly when he read Pitchie's reasons for not being around yesterDay suggests that he just suspected him.

I'm not really into lynching Sally either at this point.

...

Don't think Agan is one either.

This speaks somewhat well for Sally and Agan, but I don't think he could have dreamed of both of them, so I think these statements rested purely on his own ideas, not on dreams.

Will have a look at Lottie and Eomer though...

Again, clearly he did not dream me.

One thing is clear: Lottie AND Eomer aren't both wolves. Unless I'm tripping...

Just pointing this out. It doesn't mean much to me, because I'm rather sure he didn't dream me, but this does indicate that he didn't dream me and find me guilty.

It's either he, Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

True, Eomer hasn't been caught with his pants down but be that as it may, I think he's our best bet to get a wolf at this point. Not an easy lynch mind you, but if you ask me, a necessary one.

So...was he bluffing or not? I don't think he was, but this doesn't look too certain. Also, that earlier bit says that he dreamed of Agan, me, or Pitchie last Night, because he wouldn't have dreamed of someone he didn't suspect. This all but clears Nerwen and Sally, since we know he dreamed of the last wolf. From what he said at the end of yesterDay, and from Agan's insistance that we lynch Skip, I'd guess that he dreamed of Agan, and that she's our last wolf.

[satansaloser2005]

Indeed.

Agan, what do you think of the fact that Skip just voted Eomer?

EDIT:X'd since last post.


Lottie, what do you think of the fact that Nerwen said this to Agan?

;)


Seriously though, I was terrified for a moment that I'd misjudged and that Nerwen and Agan were the wolves, about to jump onto Lottie and end the game. Of course Agan had already voted, but I was still paranoid for a bit.


Nerwen, what's going on here?

[Loslote]

Lottie, what do you think of the fact that Nerwen said this to Agan?

;)


Seriously though, I was terrified for a moment that I'd misjudged and that Nerwen and Agan were the wolves, about to jump onto Lottie and end the game. Of course Agan had already voted, but I was still paranoid for a bit.


Nerwen, what's going on here?

Honestly, I'm not reading much into it. It could be that Nerwen's the cobber, and had figured out that Agan was a wolf - which would still fit in with the probability that Skip dreamed her and found her innocent - or she could be an ordo who happened to trust Agan. Up until the very end of yesterDay, so did I, so I can hardly blame her for it. ;)

[Nerwen]

Nerwen, what's going on here?

Agan was pushing heavily for skip being the cobbler. Then he voted the leading wolf-suspect– which was hardly the most obvious thing for a cobbler to do.

EDIT: typo.

[Aganzir]

Aieeee I totally screwed this up. :o I'm sorry skip! :(

Was his Seer-hinting towards Eomer a bluff? Or had he dreamed of Pitchie earlier and found him guilty?
If he had dreamed of two wolves, he would have come out yesterday.

From what he said at the end of yesterDay, and from Agan's insistance that we lynch Skip, I'd guess that he dreamed of Agan, and that she's our last wolf.
Trust me Lottie, if I was a wolf, I so totally wouldn't try to lynch the one I thought was the cobbler when his survival would've meant we win - especially as there were several people who said we shouldn't waste our time looking for the cobbler. I would have gone after somebody there was at least a decent chance to lynch, for example you. Aganwolf would have said: "He's probably the cobbler but let's not worry about him right now, let's try to get a wolf instead!" Just ask Nerwen. ;)

Also, that earlier bit says that he dreamed of Agan, me, or Pitchie last Night, because he wouldn't have dreamed of someone he didn't suspect.
It does indeed look like he dreamed of Nerwen, but I don't think we can say for sure he didn't suspect, ie. didn't dream of sally last night. It's a dangerous assumption; who knows if he had been reading through the thread during the night and noticed something suspicious that prompted him to dream sally? I'm not saying that's the case, it's just a bit too simple to exclude her because of a single comment.

Agan was pushing heavily for skip being the cobbler. Then he voted the leading wolf-suspect– which was hardly the most obvious thing for a cobbler to do.
Exactly... I was surprised when he did it and began to have second thoughts, but I was still rather convinced he was the cobbler.

I'll go through skip's posts too (at this point of the game, it isn't safe to trust somebody else's judgement :-p), and I'm also planning to take a look at Eomer's interaction with people. One thing is sure, though - the wolves had really decided to sacrifice him if need be, given that each and every one of us had been going after him to an extent.

[Aganzir]

Day 1: skip doesn't really say anything definite about anyone (it's mostly just banter), but his reasons for voting EW look so forced that it seems he dreamed of a wolf and tried to come up with a decent explanation to vote for him. Difficult, given that he had just made one post.

Day 2: He analyses day 1's voting. While he doesn't say anything conclusive about anyone, he semi-defends Fea by writing of those who voted for her in suspicious-ish light. He marks, though, that even her vote for EW or EW's for her don't clear her. The other two people he felt better about were Lottie and Boro for their votes that sealed EW's fate. It could be said it points to a Fea dream, but then there's this:
Like for instance, today I'm feeling far more trusting of Skip today than yesterday.
To me it looks like there's something to it. They couldn't afford to be blatantly friendly with each other because otherwise the wolves would've noticed it, but I think he could have dreamed of Boro.

Day 3: He suggests there were no wolves among the wilwa-voters, ie. Nerwen and Greenie are innocent. Now, he couldn't have dreamed of them both on night 3, and he didn't treat either of them like a known innocent earlier. He is semi-suspicious of Eomer, Lottie and Pitch, isn't too worried about Fea, thinks I am rather cobblerish, and is very concerned about sally (whom she voted for). I think he could have dreamed of either Nerwen (innocent), Greenie or Fea. However, it's really weird he makes such a case of no wolf having voted for wilwa because he obviously couldn't have known it for sure...

Day 4: He tells Nerwen he wouldn't lynch her, pretty much saying "she's innocent". It would be rather dumb of him to say that without having dreamed of her. He considers voting for Pitch, saying it looked like he and I were trying to frame him, but he didn't think I was a wolf. His dreaming of me might explain why he was so reluctant to reply to my points against him.
I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point.
So does this mean he hadn't dreamed of Eomer?
He considered voting Eomer, me or Lottie (because Pitch was unavailable). It's pretty certain he hadn't dreamed of sally - he talks so little of her.

Based on this, I'd suggest the following:
Night 1 - EW
Night 2 - Boro (maybe Fea)
Night 3 - Greenie (maybe Nerwen or Fea)
Night 4 - Nerwen (maybe Eomer or me)
Night 5 - could be anybody

Of course it's also possible he dreamed of somebody the night they died and we have therefore no evidence... But at least Nerwen's innocence shouldn't be a question.

[Nerwen]

Trust me Lottie, if I was a wolf, I so totally wouldn't try to lynch the one I thought was the cobbler when his survival would've meant we win

Yes, but only if Wolf of the Rohirrim survived too– and I'd say you'd have had to work pretty hard to get anyone else lynched at that point.

[satansaloser2005]

Shhhh. I'm not really here. *sneaks* Vewwy vewwy quiet, hunting wolves, etc.

Anyway, I have to point this out, because I find it relevant.

It's either [Eomer], Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

From this we can conclude the following....

Dreamed Innocent (if at all)
Nerwen
Sally

Dreamed Guilty (if at all)
Agan
Lottie

It's unclear what Pitch's dream result would have been, as he's place with the possible wolves but disregarded in the same sentence (albeit with a meta excuse) so I'm not sure what Skip was trying to say about him there.

And of course the cobbler will turn up as innocent, so it's possible that Nerwen (or myself, for the benefit of argument) could be the cobbler.

Still, from that, if we're basing toDay's lynch on Skip's words, we should lynch Agan, Pitch, or Lottie.

I'll repeat myself (and Skip, for that matter) and say that Lottie and Eomer aren't fellows. Thus my lynch vote toDay must go to either Agan or Pitchie, with Nerwen as a far-off third.

Also, I have the crazy yet insanely plausible theory that I've been wrong about Agan all along, and that she's just the cobbler. Otherwise that would be some INTENSELY obvious wolvery from her, what with the cobbler-killing and all. Besides, I think Agan's more than clever enough to have picked up on Skippity's earlier hints, hence her desire to lynch him. (Not to say that no one else could have picked up on his hints, mind, but she's the one trying to lynch him, so it makes sense.) I'll have to think about it and come to my final conclusion on her.

Unfortunately, we can't afford to give Pitch a pass toDay even with his family circumstances, so if he doesn't return I don't want to see anyone using that as an excuse to let him pass. (By the same token, I don't want to attack him. It's just that letting him live based on meta circumstances is not the most prudent game move at this juncture. I think he would understand.)

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

[Aganzir]

Eomer on others:

There might be a wolf in the EWagon (the only one alive: LOTTIE). No opinion on Lottie at first, but finds her inoffensive and careful later. Half-accuses Greenie of trying to manipulate people to vote for wilwa instead of Lottie. Doesn't think the lynch choice should be narrowed down to either wilwa or Lottie. Pretty suspicious of Lottie, and willing to kill her (if Greenie turns out innocent). Loslote being a pretty obvious seer? Feels worse about her than anyone else (except sally, but would rather lynch Lottie).

NERWEN is twisting wilwa's words. Mostly agrees with her and wants her alive. Could go either way, and her vote for wilwa looks better than Greenie's. Suggests Nerwen is the cobbler (he's confused if the cobbler's role is revealed on death). Usually worried about Nerwen.

Shasta's death might point to PITCH. Can't get a read on him. Probably innocent. Not as worried about him as about everybody else, probably because doesn't know him so well.

Shasta's death might point to SALLY. She appears like a cobbler (as always), and looks wrong to him (as always). Unfair with her suspicion of him, and looks like a wolf under pressure. His other most suspicious person (besides Lottie). She looks evil, not the least because of pressing that either Eomer or Greenie has to be a wolf. Feels worse about her than anyone else (except Lottie, but thinks a sally lynch might get more support).

Others on Eomer:

PITCHWIFE finds Eomer's day 1 vote hasty but sees where he's coming from. Suggests Eomer was accusing Lottie subtly of her changed playing style. Finds Eomer the most suspicious. Votes for Eomer, and if his vote hadn't come right after the deadline, it would've killed him. Finds Eomer's unrelenting crusade against Greenie puzzling. Thinks either Eomer or Greenie is a wolf but votes for skip who looks like the cobbler.

NERWEN thinks Eomer is possibly a wolf, but his vendetta against the EW-voters might be foolhardy for a wolf. Questions Eomer for suggesting the cobbler's role isn't revealed on death. Explains to Eomer why it's possible skip is the cobbler. Plans to vote for either Eomer or skip. Votes for Eomer, but it's basically a throwaway because his fate had already been sealed.

LOSLOTE considers voting for Eomer or EW on day 1 for being quiet (quite bold of her if she's a wolf). Thinks Eomer looks decent. No read on Eomer, but his exchange with skip about Lottie's "changed" playing style is suspicious. Votes him for being vague and noncommittal. Eomer is suspicious for giving a throwaway vote for Greenie which looks like he just wanted to clear his hands from a bandwagon against the innocent wilwa. Suggests Eomer's crusade against the EW voters is a double-bluff. Wants to lynch Eomer when Greenie turned out innocent. Wonders why Eomer didn't night-kill her if he honestly thought she was the seer. Votes for Eomer. Eomer dies.

SALLY thinks Eomer is alright. Eomer's cases are flimsy but he could also be an overeager ordo.
Of course if he's lynched and is another wolf, I'll be epically cross, so for the sake of not semi-defending two wolves, I have to agree that he looks bad.
This really looks quite bad for sally...
Lists Eomer as guilty. Claims later she was going to vote for him, but she failed to show up and wilwa died instead. Feels bad about Eomer because of his vote for Green, but Greenie is her other top suspect. Votes for Greenie. The next day, wants to lynch Eomer or me. She's very much against going after the cobbler. She has very little concrete evidence that points to Eomer's guilt, it's rather just feelings. Votes for Eomer and pretends to be the seer who had dreamed of him.

Conclusions: Interestingly enough, his interaction with Nerwen looks the most wolfish... You know, keeping a distance to her and not saying anything concrete about her. But then, skip's posts pretty much clear her.
I feel quite good about Pitch because his vote would have killed Eomer if it had come a bit earlier, and while it's possible he was trying to lynch his fellow to make himself look better, I think he would have made a bigger show out of it to maximise the profits. Plus, if he had really wanted to clear himself by killing Eomer, he wouldn't have voted for skip (the suspected cobbler) the day before yesterday.
Eomer's relationship with Lottie and sally is interesting. He went after them both the same way, and it really seems improbable that he would have done that to a fellow... But he'd been suspected quite heavily, so it would kind of make sense to attack a fellow very hard so when one dies, at least the other looks better. Wouldn't be the first time that happens. But it's not just him who's being weird. They both attack him with very vague reasons while being totally sure of his guilt - and the certainty is sure to make them look better when Eomer turns out to be a wolf. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was our last wolf... probably sally. After all, we can't try to find the last one based on who's gone after Eomer and who hasn't - everybody has been doing that.

[Aganzir]

Yes, but only if Wolf of the Rohirrim survived too– and I'd say you'd have had to work pretty hard to get anyone else lynched at that point.
It would have made much more sense for me to attack Lottie or sally, the ones who were the most suspicious of Eomer, and turn their suspicion against them.

From this we can conclude the following....
Which isn't much of a conclusion. It just means he felt good enough about you not to consider voting for you, and bad enough of the rest of us to consider voting for us. We can't figure out his dreams based on a single comment.

it's possible that Nerwen (or myself, for the benefit of argument) could be the cobbler.
Exactly. We still have the cobbler, and if we don't lynch either her or the last wolf today, they win tomorrow... Only I was epically wrong about skip, and now I have no idea who the cobbler might be. :confused:

I'll repeat myself (and Skip, for that matter) and say that Lottie and Eomer aren't fellows.
It might be probable, but we can't afford to make such bold assumptions today. It's clear skip didn't dream of Lottie, and it isn't even certain he dreamed of Eomer. When it comes to people he didn't dream, he's just another villager. Innocent, perhaps, but he doesn't know anything more than we others.

Besides, I think Agan's more than clever enough to have picked up on Skippity's earlier hints, hence her desire to lynch him.
I only picked up cobbler hints. If I was a wolf and thought he was the cobbler, I wouldn't have tried to lynch him. If I was a wolf and thought he was the seer, he would've died a bit earlier. As it happens, I'm innocent and thought he was the cobbler.

See you later.

[Nerwen]

Eomer's relationship with Lottie and sally is interesting. He went after them both the same way, and it really seems improbable that he would have done that to a fellow... But he'd been suspected quite heavily, so it would kind of make sense to attack a fellow very hard so when one dies, at least the other looks better. Wouldn't be the first time that happens. But it's not just him who's being weird. They both attack him with very vague reasons while being totally sure of his guilt - and the certainty is sure to make them look better when Eomer turns out to be a wolf.
Yes, and it is rather weird how sure they were, even though he had been suspicious– yet, it seems like a very gratuitous bit of wolf-on-wolfing. Sally, was the one heavily pushing the idea that Greenie's innocence would prove Eomer's guilt, while Lottie practically dragged him to the gallows. Recall that all Wolf 3 had to do yesterDay was keep Eomer and the cobbler alive.

With you and Pitch, though, there's your Day 2 votes on Eomer, either of which might easily have killed him.

Of course, we know that wolf-on-wolfing of some kind happened, because everyone now living has accused and/or voted Eomer at some point.

So: "When you have eliminated the impossible..." Except not quite, because none of this is completely impossible. But I'd say– subject to revision– that the least improbable explanation is that you, Agan, are the cobbler, and Pitch is Wolf 3. If you made up your mind skip wasn't a wolf, you'd naturally want to steer the lynch his way, which you were trying to do yesterDay and the Day before. Meanwhile, on Day 2, you gave no strong indication you'd vote Eomer:

I could go for sally, or maybe Lottie or even Eomer

So a Pitchwolf might have decided it was worth taking the risk of making a late wolf-on-wolf vote. His vote crossed with DL, and thus with yours.

That's my best-fit scenario at the moment.

[Loslote]

Night 5 - could be anybody

I don't think it could have been anybody. Look at the very end of yesterDay. Sally got way into supporting Skip there at the end. I don't think it's within the realm of possibility that he dreamed of her after that. Far more likely that he dreamed of one of the people he suspected.

Yes, and it is rather weird how sure they were, even though he had been suspicious– yet, it seems like a very gratuitous bit of wolf-on-wolfing. Sally, was the one heavily pushing the idea that Greenie's innocence would prove Eomer's guilt, while Lottie practically dragged him to the gallows. Recall that all Wolf 3 had to do yesterDay was keep Eomer and the cobbler alive.

I just wanted to say, this gave me a mental image of Sally pushing and me dragging Eomer to the gallows, him dragging his feet and protesting the whole way. Hilarious. :p

So: "When you have eliminated the impossible..." Except not quite, because none of this is completely impossible. But I'd say– subject to revision– that the least improbable explanation is that you, Agan, are the cobbler, and Pitch is Wolf 3. If you made up your mind skip wasn't a wolf, you'd naturally want to steer the lynch his way, which you were trying to do yesterDay and the Day before. Meanwhile, on Day 2, you gave no strong indication you'd vote Eomer:

This makes a lot of sense to me. Pitchie did turn into Mr. Agreeable partway through the game, and even at the beginning, he wasn't very aggressive.

Also, I'm not really here.

[Aganzir]

Recall that all Wolf 3 had to do yesterDay was keep Eomer and the cobbler alive.
That's true, but in the end it comes down to whether they wanted to do it the quicker & riskier way, or the slower & safer. Eomer was suspected so heavily, it's hard to tell if the wolves found trying to keep him alive worth the risk - especially with the seer still around who, for all they knew, might have dreamed of one of them.

If you made up your mind skip wasn't a wolf, you'd naturally want to steer the lynch his way, which you were trying to do yesterDay and the Day before. Meanwhile, on Day 2, you gave no strong indication you'd vote Eomer:
I was pretty sure he wasn't a wolf but I was nearly positive he was the cobbler. What is obvious in hindsight but never crossed my mind while he was still alive was that he was purposefully dropping cobbler hints so the wolves wouldn't attack him. :rolleyes: As for Eomer, I figured my chances of saving wilwa were the best if I voted for him because both sally and Pitch had said they could do it, and I really didn't want wilwa to die. If Pitch had just been trying to make himself look better, I would've expected him to continue pursuing Eomer later. Of course I might be wrong, of course it's possible they were wolves together and decided to try to keep alive, but to me it makes more sense that the last wolf tried to make as much as possible out of Eomer's demise. Gah I wish Pitch were here (but I understand if he can't make it)...

I don't think it's within the realm of possibility that he dreamed of her after that. Far more likely that he dreamed of one of the people he suspected.
Logically, yes. But the thing is, we can't know what crossed his mind while reading the thread during the night. I am okay with drawing conclusions about his dreams from his posts, but I'm not ready to presume he didn't dream of somebody just because he didn't suspect her at the end of the day. And I don't know what to make of it that everybody seems to be pressing it... I'm really not too fond of Lottie at the moment, but I don't know why she'd be defending sally, either, if she's a wolf... Unless she thinks sally is the cobbler - it could also be the other way round though. Argh.

Pitchie did turn into Mr. Agreeable partway through the game, and even at the beginning, he wasn't very aggressive.
What's this thing with Mr. Agreeable? Is he always very agreeable as a wolf?

[Pitchwife]

Unfortunately, we can't afford to give Pitch a pass toDay even with his family circumstances, so if he doesn't return I don't want to see anyone using that as an excuse to let him pass. (By the same token, I don't want to attack him. It's just that letting him live based on meta circumstances is not the most prudent game move at this juncture. I think he would understand.
Don't worry, I do of course understand and I wouldn't expect anything else. But I'm here now and will be (although maybe intermittently) for the next couple of hours.

As for skip, blargh, I misread him totally. Anyway, he did a good job ridding us of two wolves. RIP.
I'd have preferred for him to be alive toDay and explain what exactly those shadowy and suspicious activities of mine were that he referred to yesterDay. One thing I know is that he hadn't dreamed me, because I happen not to be a wolf; but even if I were, he couldn't, because of this:
What, was I sleepwalking? He thought. It had been a long time since he'd done that. And now coming back to him was the dream he'd just had, a dream of one of the people in this house being a soulless killer.

The last one! he said to himself. How would he go about telling the others? All they had to do was get rid of this one and they'd be free to await the opening of the door to the outside in peace.
Unless I'm completely mis- or overinterpreting this, it says that skip dreamed the last wolf last Night just before he was killed, not earlier.

As for who our last wolf could be - at first glance I'd say Agan doesn't look too good now, except I've no idea what to make of her D2 vote for Eomer if it's her. But as to the following:
I only picked up cobbler hints. If I was a wolf and thought he was the cobbler, I wouldn't have tried to lynch him. If I was a wolf and thought he was the seer, he would've died a bit earlier. As it happens, I'm innocent and thought he was the cobbler.
Apart from the obligatory "I wouldn't do this if I was a wolf", what if you'd thought he was neither cobbler nor seer but just an ordo who happened to behave sufficiently cobblerish to make a tasty lynch?

But with the village shrunk to this size, I'm past blindly trusting anybody.

And by the way:
Pitchie did turn into Mr. Agreeable partway through the game
Would you mind giving some evidence? Otherwise this looks just like a standard prefab reason-to-suspect-Pitch-whatever-he-is. It's getting stale.

[Pitchwife]

What's this thing with Mr. Agreeable? Is he always very agreeable as a wolf?
I'm a bit surprised nobody's told you yet. People find me 'too agreeable' or something similar at least once in almost every game. Greenie coined the name in Legate's last game (when I was indeed a wolf), and it stuck; but it happened before and after, too.

[Aganzir]

Apart from the obligatory "I wouldn't do this if I was a wolf", what if you'd thought he was neither cobbler nor seer but just an ordo who happened to behave sufficiently cobblerish to make a tasty lynch?
Of course that would have been possible as well, especially after I said that the more people try to look like the cobbler, the less likely the wolves spot her... Hindsight 20-20. But I do tend to be a bit single-minded when I pursue people. ;)

I'm a bit surprised nobody's told you yet. People find me 'too agreeable' or something similar at least once in almost every game. Greenie coined the name in Legate's last game (when I was indeed a wolf), and it stuck; but it happened before and after, too.
Actually, I have first-hand information - I know I've talked with you about it. I would just have liked to hear how Lottie explained using it against you... And still do. Because at least I am under the impression it's not only when you're a wolf that you're agreeable, but even if it was, I don't think you've looked too agreeable so far.

Okay we start roleplaying now which means I won't be around as much. Will check the thread every now and then, and will most likely be here around deadline, though.

[Loslote]

Would you mind giving some evidence? Otherwise this looks just like a standard prefab reason-to-suspect-Pitch-whatever-he-is. It's getting stale.

It's not a reason to suspect you; it's shorthand for the general impression I have of you. You're right; it's certianly no basis for a vote, and would only fly as basis for suspicion on Day 1. Here's some real reasoning:

Actually, I have first-hand information - I know I've talked with you about it. I would just have liked to hear how Lottie explained using it against you... And still do. Because at least I am under the impression it's not only when you're a wolf that you're agreeable, but even if it was, I don't think you've looked too agreeable so far.

Actually, as an innocent, Pitchie's much more in the thick of things, suspecting people with the best of them. :p

Conclusion: Inconsistency between suspicions and vote in Agan's case, and wilwa could be either/or; rest looks decent for Day 1.

After analyzing the Day 1 votes for people other than TEWie, he concludes with mild suspicion towards Agan and Wilwa, neither of which could be his packmate, and concludes that everyone else looks 'decent'. Hardly incriminating, but it does look like he's treading a little bit softly.

Mine as well. There's something going on here.


You mean your post about how she was so very inoffensive and careful to soften her suspicions wasn't a subtle accusation?

(Aside to Lottie: How does it feel to be Miss Agreeable for a change?:p)

Here he agrees with me that there's something off about Eomer and Skip's exchange. He banters/suspects Eomer slightly here in such a way as could look like wolf-on-wolf, or could be entirely innocent.

(Aside to Pitchie: The novelty wore off. ;))

Unfortunately, I don't have time to go through all of his posts. This is just the Day that stood out to me most. As it is, I wouldn't particularly suspect Pitchie on his own, but he makes the top two most suspected list simply because I don't think Skip would have dreamt of anyone besides Agan, Pitchie, and me. And I know who I am - that is, not the last wolf. My vote will go to one of those two.

[Pitchwife]

Some thoughts about sally (admittedly fragmentary, not even attempting a full analysis of our Queen of the Post Count):

Her strange insistence on Day 3 that
either Eomer or Greenie HAS to be a wolf
has already been commented on. Granted that Eomer looked a lot furrier after Greenie was revealed as innocent, the way he'd been after her, but given that sally supported Greenie's lynch, and supposing she was Eomer's packmate, she would have planned ahead and prepared to distance herself from him afterwards, wouldn't she?

Her almost-fake-reveal yesterDay just before DL (#374) looks very much like an attempt by an innocent to protect the seer by baiting the wolf to kill her instead... only the pun about 'baited breath' in her post-DL post #381 undoes it. And a wolf trying to make herself look good would of course have known she wasn't really in danger to get killed.

Then there's her first post of toDay, the farewell to skip, which is very sallyish, only, I don't know, somehow a bit overdone in it's tear-drowned way of saying "Of course I knew he was the seer all along, I so would have liked to save him (only I didn't), I'll avenge him", read: "I'm so totally obviously not the one who killed him." Looks forced to me.

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Lottie, apparently, began yesterDay convinced that Eomer was a big bad wolf (which he was) and prepared to plant the idea that I'm his packmate (which I'm not), starting the 'Mr Agreeable' routine with #271. But when skip voted Eomer, her reaction was
But I still don't know why you're pressing this.
in answer to this:
No dammit, lynch Eomer, ergo my vote!
So did she really not understand why he was pressing to lynch the one who had been her her own main suspect for the last two days? Or was she trying to force him to reveal explicitly so the last wolf would know who to kill?

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Agan's defense of Eomer yesterDay, and her continued cobbler-hunt for skip are a strong point against her. As for the latter, I think it entirely possible that Aganwolf could have used the accusation of cobblery as a pretense to get an innocent lynched, even if she had no idea he was the seer. As for the former, I wonder - there must have been a predictable chance yesterDay that Eomer would get lynched, given that he was heavily suspected, so wouldn't it have made more sense for a packmate to distance herself from him?
If she's the cobbler, by the way, her support of me is sadly (or luckily) misguided.

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Finally, Nerwen. I'm not sure that one comment by skip is sufficient evidence to clear her as a dreamed innocent - but I've got nothing on her, and I'm running out of time.


So, where is everybody? I haven't got all night.

EDIT: x-ed with Lottie.

[Loslote]

So did she really not understand why he was pressing to lynch the one who had been her her own main suspect for the last two days? Or was she trying to force him to reveal explicitly so the last wolf would know who to kill?

You mean, did I really not understand what the hey was going on, but it seemed like it was going on in a good way, so I went with it anyway? Yup. That's about what happened. I figured it out a minute after DL, when I went, "ohhhhhhhhh...derp."

[Pitchwife]

Really, Lottie, is that the best you can do? I suspected Eomer heavily enough to vote him based on that exchange, and you disqualify it as slight suspicion/banter? Obviously our ideas of stylistic register are vastly different... or you're twisting it to fit.

[Aganzir]

Actually, as an innocent, Pitchie's much more in the thick of things, suspecting people with the best of them.
I'm far from being convinced of his innocence, either, but I don't think that's a very good argument, given that it was yourself who found Eomer's comparison of your playing style to that of gifted!Lottie's suspicious...

I don't think Skip would have dreamt of anyone besides Agan, Pitchie, and me. And I know who I am - that is, not the last wolf. My vote will go to one of those two.
Even if that's unlikely, I think he can have dreamed sally as well, and I really don't like your insistence that it's not the case. It's simply too late to discount the possibility that somebody was not dreamed just because she was being friendly to the seer at the end of the day. Period.
At the moment I think I could vote for Lottie because she's being darn fishy... but then again, her earlier behaviour & the part she played in EW & Eomer's lynches speak in her favour... I wonder if she's the cobbler (although I had probably better stop cobbler hunting for now and concentrate on finding the wolf). Argh this is confusing. Sally is my second option, and then Pitch, although I feel a lot better about him than the other two.

Her almost-fake-reveal yesterDay just before DL (#374) looks very much like an attempt by an innocent to protect the seer by baiting the wolf to kill her instead...
Could also be the cobbler doing a fake reveal, assuming she actually thought Eomer was innocent.

Agan's defense of Eomer yesterDay, and her continued cobbler-hunt for skip are a strong point against her.
Actually, if you ask me, they should in fact speak in my favour... There are two things you should know about Aganwolf:
1) She always throws her fellows under the bus if she thinks it makes her look better. I've only saved a fellow from the gallows once (who was about to be lynched for, objectively, ridiculous reasons).
2) She never lynches the one she thinks is her cobbler. She rather fabricates cases against innocents.
Now I'm just trying to remember how much I've told you about what I'm like as a wolf, ie. are you inventing reasons to accuse me or not... :p

If she's the cobbler, by the way, her support of me is sadly (or luckily) misguided.
Good to know... Actually I just changed my mind about Lottie, in truth she really looks innocent! ;)
Anyway before you get excited, I'm not supporting you (at least on purpose). I just think Lottie and sally are more suspicious than you. It's not the same.

Finally, Nerwen. I'm not sure that one comment by skip is sufficient evidence to clear her as a dreamed innocent
I wouldn't worry about it too much - if she's our final wolf, I think we can blame skip for our loss. ;)

I'm here while the others are fighting (my character is a coward who rather shoots, and he has to load his bow every other round).

[Pitchwife]

And what makes you so sure skip didn't dream sally? Just because he didn't suspect her yesterDay? It might have been a good idea to check somebody he didn't suspect, just in case - I've done it myself as the seer, to make sure I wasn't overlooking something.
There's something going on between the two of you...

EDIT: x-ed with Agan; this is addressed to Lottie.

[Aganzir]

Once again: we have no way of knowing if skip suspected sally or not. Maybe not at the end of the day, but he had a lot of time to think of whom to dream of. If I was a wolf and thought somebody was a wolf, I'd totally try to buddy up with them before killing them. If I was the seer and saw somebody was trying to buddy up with me, I'd get suspicious.

[Pitchwife]

She never lynches the one she thinks is her cobbler. She rather fabricates cases against innocents.
But as I said above, if you're a wolf we don't know what you really thought.
Now I'm just trying to remember how much I've told you about what I'm like as a wolf
Same here.;)

[Aganzir]

But as I said above, if you're a wolf we don't know what you really thought.
Completely regardless of my role, I thought skip looked mighty cobblerish.

[Loslote]

I'm far from being convinced of his innocence, either, but I don't think that's a very good argument, given that it was yourself who found Eomer's comparison of your playing style to that of gifted!Lottie's suspicious...

Even if that's unlikely, I think he can have dreamed sally as well, and I really don't like your insistence that it's not the case. It's simply too late to discount the possibility that somebody was not dreamed just because she was being friendly to the seer at the end of the day. Period.
At the moment I think I could vote for Lottie because she's being darn fishy... but then again, her earlier behaviour & the part she played in EW & Eomer's lynches speak in her favour... I wonder if she's the cobbler (although I had probably better stop cobbler hunting for now and concentrate on finding the wolf). Argh this is confusing. Sally is my second option, and then Pitch, although I feel a lot better about him than the other two.

Could also be the cobbler doing a fake reveal, assuming she actually thought Eomer was innocent.

1. Eomer compared my behavior to Gifted!me. I'm comparing Pitchie's behavior to ordo!him and evil!him. Not gifted!him.

2. You admit it's unlikely Sally was dreamed, but then say that you suspect her more than the person who is likely to be evil? I'm sorry, but I can see no innocent reason for this. And I'm not basing my trust of Sally purely on Skip's probably not dreaming her - she's done nothing that makes her look evil all game! If she's evil, we'd have seen something by now other than a argument that, boiled down, says "she's playing, so she could potentially be evil! It's not likely, but because of the fact that she exists, I'm going to vote her!" And I'm sorry if that's a bit too harsh, but that's your only argument!

3. Yeah, only she was trying to get Eomer lynched.

And what makes you so sure skip didn't dream sally? Just because he didn't suspect her yesterDay? It might have been a good idea to check somebody he didn't suspect, just in case - I've done it myself as the seer, to make sure I wasn't overlooking something.

So've I. Remember how I got you killed? Good times...but it wasn't at end game. At end game, you dream your suspects, not one of the most innocent looking people playing.

There's something going on between the two of you...

And it reminds me a whole lot of my very first game. Nog's Ranger game...Epic Alliance of Good People...ah, such fun times. :p

EDIT: Just realized that I was confused about point 3. Scratch that; I didn't read the sentance properly. Sorry!

[Pitchwife]

It's not getting any earlier here, and I've got to get up early in the morning, so - voting time.

With my luck, I'm probably going to botch this, but in the end, I don't think Wolfanzir would have defended Eowolf like she did. She could still be the cobbler, or maybe even a stubborn innocent gone astray.

On the other hand, there are strong signs for a conspiracy of some kind between sally and Lottie (pre-conviction of Eomer's guilt without a solid reason, and Lottie's baseless conviction that sally can't have been dreamed last Night). Come to think of it, maybe it started even with that 'genius-we-can-trust' hint early on Day 1.
I've no idea which is which, but my gut says sally=wolf and Lottie=cobbler.

Therefore,
++sally

Á vala Manwë. Good night.

[satansaloser2005]

WHAT THE FRELLING FRELL?!?!

:mad:


ETA: Erm, sorry, that wasn't actually meant to be in all caps. Still, ....the frell?

[Loslote]

Come to think of it, maybe it started even with that 'genius-we-can-trust' hint early on Day 1.
I've no idea which is which, but my gut says sally=wolf and Lottie=cobbler.

Aw, that would've been an awesome hint! But no. I get what you're thinking if you're innocent, but see, I'm not the cobbler, and I'm not the wolf, and I don't think Sally's either one, either. But kudos for being clever! :D

EDIT: xed with Sallycake

[satansaloser2005]

If Skip dreamed me, he dreamed me as innocent. Did no one SEE the post I quoted earlier toDay? I'm just sayin'. He thought the wolves were among Agan, Lottie, and possibly Pitch. That tells me that he did NOT dream me or Nerwen, at least as guilty.



So, Pitch, who's the cobbler, you or Agan? I just, you know, need to know who would be the more effective vote choice at this juncture. If you're honest we may even let you live! (Unless you're the wolf, of course, and then no, sorry.)

[Loslote]

If Skip dreamed me, he dreamed me as innocent. Did no one SEE the post I quoted earlier toDay? I'm just sayin'. He thought the wolves were among Agan, Lottie, and possibly Pitch. That tells me that he did NOT dream me or Nerwen, at least as guilty.



So, Pitch, who's the cobbler, you or Agan? I just, you know, need to know who would be the more effective vote choice at this juncture. If you're honest we may even let you live! (Unless you're the wolf, of course, and then no, sorry.)

I'm thinking Agan is probably the cobbler, and Pitchie the wolf, simply because Wolfazir wouldn't have defended Eomer, but cobbler!Agan might well have.

Also, I may disappear at any moment, but I will be back before DL if this happens.

[Aganzir]

1. Eomer compared my behavior to Gifted!me. I'm comparing Pitchie's behavior to ordo!him and evil!him. Not gifted!him.
You thought Eomer looked suspicious because he was saying you behaved differently from what he remembered. He wasn't actually accusing you, he was just pointing it out. How is it so different from Pitch behaving differently from what you'd expect?

2. You admit it's unlikely Sally was dreamed, but then say that you suspect her more than the person who is likely to be evil?
More than the person who's likely to be evil? Are you talking about Pitch or yourself now? I suspect sally because I think she's suspicious! Read back to my posts, you'll see I've had doubts about her since day 2 (ie. since her reaction to my random vote). I don't think it's really my fault that your and her interaction with Eomer is far more suspicious than Pitch's.

Gah now I'm getting too single-minded again, I don't intend to ignore Pitch just because I find you more suspicious...

I'm sorry, but I can see no innocent reason for this.
And what's the wolfish reason that you can see?

she's done nothing that makes her look evil all game! --- And I'm sorry if that's a bit too harsh, but that's your only argument!
Feel free to go through my posts and see what I've said of sally. Either it's our difference in views or you're trying to save her for a reason of her own, but I think her behaviour has been rather suspicious.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm not trusting anyone at this point in the continuum.


I say we lynch Agan toDay. She's 110% evil and I don't think there's a soul who can't see that. Pitchie's blindly following her suspicion of me for whatever unfounded reasons, which makes me think he's evil too.

HOWEVER....

Agan is a darn tricksy wolf. She would TOTALLY bus her packmates, especially if that was part of the plan. I'm almost sure she picked up on Skip, which explains her case against him yesterDay, etc., and she's gone after me heavily ever since I questioned her initial suspicions of me and called them for what they were, an excuse not to vote her partner. All in all, there's not a non-furry spot on her body.


However, part two....

I'm not voting and letting things go haywire. If Agan's not lynched toDay, I'm still going to make sure that I'm happy with whoever IS toDay's kill. Thus, I'll be holding my vote until closer to DL. Nerwen, you around yet, lovely?

[Loslote]

More than the person who's likely to be evil? Are you talking about Pitch or yourself now? I suspect sally because I think she's suspicious! Read back to my posts, you'll see I've had doubts about her since day 2 (ie. since her reaction to my random vote). I don't think it's really my fault that your and her interaction with Eomer is far more suspicious than Pitch's.

Either one - I admit, I was likely to be dreamed last Night. I know I wasn't, because the last wolf was, but no one else knows that, so yeah, I'm technically more likely to be evil than Sally.

And what's the wolfish reason that you can see?

You can't go after Pitchie because you think he's the wolf (assuming you're the cobbler) and you don't think lynching me is feasible, for whatever reason.

Feel free to go through my posts and see what I've said of sally. Either it's our difference in views or you're trying to save her for a reason of her own, but I think her behaviour has been rather suspicious.

Okay. It's our difference in views - I've seen nothing of hers that looks suspicious. But may I point out that you've suspected her ever since she started suspecting you? ;)

EDIT: xed with Sallycake

[Aganzir]

If Skip dreamed me, he dreamed me as innocent. Did no one SEE the post I quoted earlier toDay? I'm just sayin'. He thought the wolves were among Agan, Lottie, and possibly Pitch. That tells me that he did NOT dream me or Nerwen, at least as guilty.
And didn't you see my post? There were things that pointed strongly to his having dreamed of somebody, but nothing whatsoever that pointed to you. If he dreamed you, it was last night and you're the wolf. There's no time he could have dreamed of you if he dreamed of the people I think he did (and there's evidence for that, just read his posts). The fact that he didn't consider voting for you tells us nothing at all about your role, I'm sorry to inform you.

I'm thinking Agan is probably the cobbler, and Pitchie the wolf, simply because Wolfazir wouldn't have defended Eomer, but cobbler!Agan might well have.
In all seriousness, I'm an ordo. And for those of you who didn't already know/guess it, lynching me means that we lose tomorrow. Simple as that.

Also, when did I defend Eomer? Not accusing somebody isn't the same as defending him. Even though he turned out to be a wolf, I still think it wasn't the best of arguments to say either he or Greenie had to be a wolf.

[Loslote]

In all seriousness, I'm an ordo. And for those of you who didn't already know/guess it, lynching me means that we lose tomorrow. Simple as that.

It's never as simple as that. Even if you are an ordo, if we lynch you, the wolf could still kill the cobbler, because if it's not you, I have no clue who it would be.

Even though he turned out to be a wolf, I still think it wasn't the best of arguments to say either he or Greenie had to be a wolf.

But it was right. :p

[satansaloser2005]

And didn't you see my post? There were things that pointed strongly to his having dreamed of somebody, but nothing whatsoever that pointed to you. If he dreamed you, it was last night and you're the wolf. There's no time he could have dreamed of you if he dreamed of the people I think he did (and there's evidence for that, just read his posts). The fact that he didn't consider voting for you tells us nothing at all about your role, I'm sorry to inform you.

I never said it did. I'm just saying that the "Sally's clearly evil" train is seriously derailed by the severe lack of information. And the fact that you refuse to budge on an absolutely unbased case makes me even more sure you're just being manipulative, or manipulated, but either way somehow destructive to the village. I want to win. Thus someone who's harming the village is my enemy. Sorry, love, but you know how this works. If you're an ordo, you're falling into a major wolf trap, and I can't see why an innocent you wouldn't have seen that by now.



Harrumph. I nearly just want to vote now and be done with it, but that's stupid of me.

[satansaloser2005]

With my luck, I'm probably going to botch this

Yup, pretty much. Isn't that unfortunate? Or is it for you? o_O

I don't think Wolfanzir would have defended Eowolf like she did. She could still be the cobbler, or maybe even a stubborn innocent gone astray.

Ah, but she could, and she would. And that's not even relevant, as it wasn't even a defense. You're saying that Agan isn't a wolf based on something she didn't even do. She ws hard after our seer, but that's a completely clump of fur than defendin Eomer, which she never really did. So....yeah. Bz-chicken-wah?

On the other hand, there are strong signs for a conspiracy of some kind between sally and Lottie (pre-conviction of Eomer's guilt without a solid reason, and Lottie's baseless conviction that sally can't have been dreamed last Night). Come to think of it, maybe it started even with that 'genius-we-can-trust' hint early on Day 1.
I've no idea which is which, but my gut says sally=wolf and Lottie=cobbler.

Strong signs, eh? Give me one. One bloody sign. There aren't any? Just checking.

Also, the genius thing has been explained; it was a joke, and I said so Days ago. You're just bringing it up again (and out of context too) to twist me into suspicion.

Therefore,
++sally

Again. ....the frell? :rolleyes:

[Loslote]

Strong signs, eh? Give me one. One bloody sign. There aren't any? Just checking.

There are signs! See, we both tried to get Eowolf killed, which clearly means we're conspring together. Plus, neither of us suspects you, which clearly all the *innocent* people are doing. Finally, both of us are arguing against an inherently baseless Sally!bandwagon! Gasp! Strong signs, indeed! I'm evil! I didn't know! :eek: [/sarcasm]

Really, though, I'd be okay with either an Agan lynch or a Pitchie lynch, although I'd prefer a Pitchie lynch. I think Agan's the cobbler, but the innocents have to put up a united front, so...yeah.

[satansaloser2005]

There are signs! See, we both tried to get Eowolf killed, which clearly means we're conspring together. Plus, neither of us suspects you, which clearly all the *innocent* people are doing. Finally, both of us are arguing against an inherently baseless Sally!bandwagon! Gasp! Strong signs, indeed! I'm evil! I didn't know! [/sarcasm]


Frelling frell. I can't rep you again, but I would if I could. *hugs her Lottiepop* You just made Sally feel better after a rubbish day. You's my buddy. :)

Anyway, I'm fine with any lynch but me, to be honest. ;) I say we lynch Agan toDay, both because my blood pressure can't take her anymore (in the game, in the game!!!!!!) and because she's DEFINITELY got something up her sleeve. Maybe Pitchie's just stupid. *snorts* Riiiight. Like that'd ever happen. He's clearly evil.

Aaaand I'm back to square one again. :confused:

[Nerwen]

Here and reading.

[Aganzir]

Sorry the RPG demanded my attention for a while...

She's 110% evil and I don't think there's a soul who can't see that.
Whatever you're doing, it's not innocent behaviour. I am no more evil than I am by nature, and I can't understand how there can be a soul who can't see that.

I'm almost sure she picked up on Skip
I suppose I should appreciate the value you give to my intelligence, but I had absolutely no idea skip was the seer. Don't try to put thoughts into my head that were never there.

she's gone after me heavily ever since I questioned her initial suspicions of me and called them for what they were, an excuse not to vote her partner.
If EW had been my partner, I would either have voted for him or not talked of him at all. The first piece of advice I always give to my fellows is: Don't waver - whatever you do, be decided; and I live up to that. I suspected you because you totally overreacted to my vote, and after that it mostly just went worse.

You can't go after Pitchie because you think he's the wolf (assuming you're the cobbler) and you don't think lynching me is feasible, for whatever reason.
Whoops did Lottie just slip she's the wolf (since I can only be the cobbler, not the wolf)? I am not a wolf, I am not the cobbler, I'm not as suspicious of Pitch as I am of you two, and I do think lynching you is feasible. I'm more likely going to vote for sally though because I don't want to spread the votes.

But it was right.
Yes, it was. But your reasons simply weren't good enough, at least for me. It's still not the same as defending him.

the "Sally's clearly evil" train is seriously derailed by the severe lack of information.
Severe lack of information? I dare to suggest it's not only the seer who has a brain in this village. We're not a flock of sheep that follows skip's every word blindly... at least we shouldn't be. Skip says nothing that points to your innocence. The same way you could argue that this "skip never dreamed of sally" train is seriously derailed by the severe lack of information.

sure you're just being manipulative, or manipulated, but either way somehow destructive to the village.
I am not being manipulative, and I do hope I'm not so easy to manipulate. If I'm being destructive so be it, at least I myself was happy with my reasoning. At the moment I'm only trying to get the wolf or the cobbler killed... as you probably know just as well as I do. :p

you're falling into a major wolf trap, and I can't see why an innocent you wouldn't have seen that by now.
And what's this wolf trap?
Seriously though, if Nerwen (or Pitch) is the last wolf and has managed to win my trust and make me fall into their trap, in my opinion they deserve to win.

because my blood pressure can't take her anymore (in the game, in the game!!!!!!) and because she's DEFINITELY got something up her sleeve.
Sorry about that, but you know how it goes with me... I'm not trying to irritate you on purpose or anything. But I have nothing up my sleeve, and in my opinion you're being unfair. Did you actually have some reasons for suspecting me?

Will be here till the deadline.

[satansaloser2005]

Interwebs are being hateful because of the weather. I'll still be here, but I'll have to be concise. Just a fair warning (and apology of sorts) in case I don't reply to everything.

[Aganzir]

So apparently it's either sally, Pitchwife or me... Nerwen how does that sound to you?

I really wouldn't mind Lottie either but I suppose it's kind of hopeless now, so sally is my best bet. :(

[Loslote]

Whoops did Lottie just slip she's the wolf (since I can only be the cobbler, not the wolf)? I am not a wolf, I am not the cobbler, I'm not as suspicious of Pitch as I am of you two, and I do think lynching you is feasible. I'm more likely going to vote for sally though because I don't want to spread the votes.

You could well be a wolf, but that particular theory was about you being the cobbler. Nice try, though. Well done picking up on the tiniest thing. Eomer was good at that too. ;)

EDIT: xed with Sally and Agan

[Aganzir]

You could well be a wolf, but that particular theory was about you being the cobbler. Nice try, though. Well done picking up on the tiniest thing. Eomer was good at that too. ;)
And you didn't answer my original question - I asked what wolfish reason you could see, and you only spoke of me being the cobbler. So you only think I'm the cobbler yet you want to lynch me?

And you have played with me enough (yes one game is enough) to know that I pick up on small things if I think they're somewhat relevant. It's the way I work. Don't try to make it sound evil when you know it's just me.

[Loslote]

Also, it amuses me that there are two distinct camps vying for Nerwen's vote. Agan and Pitchie vs. Sally and Lottie. I'm not saying that the people in the camps trust each other implicitly or anything, either; but still, I get this mental picture of two different teams pulling on Nerwen's arms, trying to drag her over to their side. :p

EDIT: xed with Agan

[satansaloser2005]

Sally tried to save the seer yesterDay. Oh, yes, let's kill her. Totally makes sense. :rolleyes::eek:

Too. Much. Stress. Back in five. This is NOT a game-related break, but I need a second to sort of chill out. Was just royally harrassed by someone and need to escape the tension so I don't freak out or something. I'll be back in a moment.

[Loslote]

And you didn't answer my original question - I asked what wolfish reason you could see, and you only spoke of me being the cobbler. So you only think I'm the cobbler yet you want to lynch me?

And you have played with me enough (yes one game is enough) to know that I pick up on small things if I think they're somewhat relevant. It's the way I work. Don't try to make it sound evil when you know it's just me.

Yes, because we all know your stance on going after the cobbler. ;) But, really, there's little point in splitting the vote, and if the consensus is that we go after the cobbler toDay, I'd prefer that to the innocents splitting the vote and the wolves killing an innocent.

And I'm sorry if it wasn't clear; that was mainly a joke. I had a smilie, but I could have been more explicit. I didn't mean that as a reason to lynch you or anything. :)

EDIT: xed with Sallycake

[Nerwen]

Severe lack of information? I dare to suggest it's not only the seer who has a brain in this village. We're not a flock of sheep that follows skip's every word blindly... at least we shouldn't be. Skip says nothing that points to your innocence.

But he says nothing that doesn't, and we know he didn't dream Wolf 3 until last Night. I'd say Sally's general conduct argues against her being a wolf. It is true that she is a tremendous sneak and also capable of some very bold wolfing. But still, I'd need a better reason to vote her at this point than "general principles".

From here, unless the cobbler has really screwed up, it looks like Team Evil must be either you + Pitch, or Lottie + Sally. And the former looks more likely.

EDIT:X'd with a host.

[Aganzir]

Also, it amuses me that there are two distinct camps vying for Nerwen's vote. Agan and Pitchie vs. Sally and Lottie. I'm not saying that the people in the camps trust each other implicitly or anything, either; but still, I get this mental picture of two different teams pulling on Nerwen's arms, trying to drag her over to their side. :p
Haha yeah I know what you mean... I was thinking of that too. I don't really envy her. :p

Sally tried to save the seer yesterDay. Oh, yes, let's kill her. Totally makes sense.
So what? You couldn't know he was the seer, anyway. It's just something you did that speaks neither for nor against you, so I wouldn't try to defend myself with it.

[satansaloser2005]

**Lottie for Representative**


EDIT: x'd with Agan and Nerwen. Thus....

**Nerwen for the Win**

[Aganzir]

But, really, there's little point in splitting the vote, and if the consensus is that we go after the cobbler toDay, I'd prefer that to the innocents splitting the vote and the wolves killing an innocent.
And who's the cobbler you're planning to go after? Is it just me or is Lottie giving away her (wolfish) role? It's just, we can't "decide to go after the cobbler" if we don't know who they are.

And I'm sorry if it wasn't clear; that was mainly a joke. I had a smilie, but I could have been more explicit. I didn't mean that as a reason to lynch you or anything.
Yeah I was hoping you weren't serious (because quite honestly that would've been a ridiculous reason to suspect someone :p), but at this point it doesn't really matter if it was a joke or not, the fact is that you're trying to make me look worse.

I'd say Sally's general conduct argues against her being a wolf.
That's interesting because my opinion is exactly the opposite.

From here, unless the cobbler has really screwed up, it looks like Team Evil must be either you + Pitch, or Lottie + Sally. And the former looks more likely.
For me, Lottie + sally is the only team that makes sense... Neither of them looks like they were in league with Pitch (or you, for that matter).

Grr this is so frustrating.

[Loslote]

It's just something you did that speaks neither for nor against you, so I wouldn't try to defend myself with it.

If you can't defend yourself with fighting to kill a wolf and defending the seer, what can you defend yourself with nowadays? ;)

**Lottie for Representative**


EDIT: x'd with Agan and Nerwen. Thus....

**Nerwen for the Win**

Snerk. :p *snuggles Sallycakes...and Nerwen, too, for good measure*

EDIT: xed with Agan, who can haz snuggles too.

[satansaloser2005]

So what? You couldn't know he was the seer, anyway. It's just something you did that speaks neither for nor against you, so I wouldn't try to defend myself with it.

Yes, yes I could. Okay, no I couldn't, but he was being brutally obvious toward the end. I admit, I did a dumb and didn't put up a seer act before when I first suspected his role, but I had no way to know if he'd dreamt me, so an attempt to help could just hurt the village, much like it seems to be doing now.

Agan, your case makes no sense. None at all, and I know you know it. Grasp at a few more straws and you could at least call me the cobbler, but....nope, not really. I've been strongly for the lynching of Eomer (only lynching Greenie in case you and she had been setting him up or something) for Days now, trusting of the seer and have done nothing to suggest that I'm evil. I'm not that smooth, remember? I'd have been found out by now. Besides, you're the one who tried to lynch the "cobbler" Skip, and his hints of "why Agan said what she said" are, to me, pretty darn revealing as to his opinion of you. No, I'm not trusting Skip implicitly, but I also see no reason to doubt him when I agree with him. You're either Eomer's partner or Eomer's cobbler. You're guilty. You're evil. Period.

This is where I am, this is where I will stay. I will not be moved. Keep your "ho there". *cuddles Boro*

[Aganzir]

If you can't defend yourself with fighting to kill a wolf and defending the seer, what can you defend yourself with nowadays? ;)
Killing a wolf and defending the seer from a lynch are no proof of somebody's innocence. That's just the way it goes - especially when the player in question is someone as experienced and sneaky as sally.

[Loslote]

And who's the cobbler you're planning to go after? Is it just me or is Lottie giving away her (wolfish) role? It's just, we can't "decide to go after the cobbler" if we don't know who they are.

If only wolves can go after someone they think is the cobbler, you just called yourself a wolf, m'dear. ;)

EDIT: xed since the post I quoted

[satansaloser2005]

Call the question.

Repeat....

CALL THE QUESTION.


Aka let's vote.

[Loslote]

Aka let's vote.

Agan, then? Nerwen, are you going to vote Agan? Because if not, Agan can still vote Sally and kill her unless we all vote the same way.

[Nerwen]

Who, then?

EDIT:X'd with Lottie.

[Inziladun]

You lot are just determined to prevent me from writing the narrative early, aren't you? :rolleyes: :p

DL in 5 minutes.

[Aganzir]

Agan, your case makes no sense. None at all, and I know you know it. Grasp at a few more straws and you could at least call me the cobbler, but....nope, not really. I've been strongly for the lynching of Eomer (only lynching Greenie in case you and she had been setting him up or something) for Days now, trusting of the seer and have done nothing to suggest that I'm evil. I'm not that smooth, remember? I'd have been found out by now. Besides, you're the one who tried to lynch the "cobbler" Skip, and his hints of "why Agan said what she said" are, to me, pretty darn revealing as to his opinion of you. No, I'm not trusting Skip implicitly, but I also see no reason to doubt him when I agree with him. You're either Eomer's partner or Eomer's cobbler. You're guilty. You're evil. Period.
To me it makes enough sense. I am sorry I didn't have time to make a proper case against you because that would have helped at least me to be more coherent and it might also have helped the rest of the village but no, this is all I have. As for skip, even if he thought I was the wolf, he had no proof and therefore his opinion doesn't matter - he's just another villager. And if I was the cobbler he wouldn't have known it even if he had dreamed of me. It's no use to resort to what he said in this. I am neither Eomer's partner nor Eomer's cobbler, but the way things seem to be, I'm probably going to be one of the few who votes for one of them. Argh.

[satansaloser2005]

Either one is fine with me. I think Agan's possibly the cobbler, because she's made herself quite the easy and obvious lynch.


Pitch?

[Nerwen]

Let's get started:

++Aganzir

EDIT:X'd with Sally and Agan.

[Aganzir]

If only wolves can go after someone they think is the cobbler, you just called yourself a wolf, m'dear.

EDIT: xed since the post I quoted
I at least knew who the cobbler I was going after was. Even though he turned out not to be the cobbler.

You lot are just determined to prevent me from writing the narrative early, aren't you?

DL in 5 minutes.
That's because we like you so much. ;)

[Loslote]

++Agan

it is, then.

[Aganzir]

Either one is fine with me. I think Agan's possibly the cobbler, because she's made herself quite the easy and obvious lynch.


Pitch?
What the heck? I totally didn't. I'm fighting to stay alive - since when has that been "making oneself an obvious lynch"? If I die the village loses. Period.

[Aganzir]

I expect apologies when the game is finished!

[Loslote]

I expect apologies when the game is finished!

And if you're innocent, you shall have them in abundance.

[satansaloser2005]

Bzah? Oh well, that's all right too then I suppose. Either way, my streak will remain intact. Either we'll win or we'll die, and I'm alive at end game. Nyah. :p

You know, it's fitting. Agan was trying to lynch the cobbler yesterDay, and now she may get her wish. Or Skippity will get his. Either way, hugs and puppies.


++Agan

[Aganzir]

And if you're innocent, you shall have them in abundance.
You can start now.

++sally

[Nerwen]

What the heck? I totally didn't. I'm fighting to stay alive - since when has that been "making oneself an obvious lynch"? If I die the village loses. Period.

Well, I hope not, Agan, because– well, honestly, you've made yourself look pretty bad toDay– and if I'm wrong about you, we lose.:(

*crosses fingers*

[satansaloser2005]

And if you're innocent, you shall have them in abundance.

Right after she gives them to me. ;)

[Aganzir]

Well, good luck anyway. :(

[Inziladun]

DL. Stop.

[satansaloser2005]

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

....

....

That was misleading, wasn't it? :rolleyes:


ETA: Huzzah! x'd with our modly one. To you, oh mod of modness, we kneel and humbly say, "Neener neener". <3

[Inziladun]

ETA: Huzzah! x'd with our modly one. To you, oh mod of modness, we kneel and humbly say, "Neener neener". <3

Neener, yourself. :p

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When the five remaining out of the original party of thirteen had found skip's body that morning, he'd scrawled the words "dreams" on the floor in what could only have been his own blood. That, coupled with things the group remembered him saying, led them to the conclusion he'd had a special gift, a gift that had told him which among the party were, or were not, the killers. Since he hadn't outright told them anything of the sort, they spent most of the day analysing his words, and who he'd wanted to send into the machine.
Accusations had flown, and the discussions became heated. Both the good and evil-hearted among them saw the light at the end of the tunnel now, and all fought hard for what they wished to achieve.

The decision at the end of the day was that Aganzir would be the next, and hopefully, the last one they'd have to put into the chamber.

"Why should I?" she said defiantly.

"Because three of us want you to," replied Nerwen.

"Go," said Lottie. "There are enough of us to make you, you know."

"You'll be sorry!" yelled Agan.

"Get in there!" said Sally, picking up a spray bottle filled with a clear liquid
that had been sitting on the console. She pointed it at Agan.

"You're kidding me!" she laughed. "Fine! Whatever! I'm going!".

Agan entered the chamber, and Sally quickly shut the door behind her.

"Do it, Lottie!" said Sally. "Make it 1666! Big fire and all in London!"

"You've got it!" said Lottie. She entered the year, and pressed the middle button.

"I did it for yooouuuu!" Agan wailed. "I tried to help you....Get them! Get them all!"

"GHHHKKTTT!" went the machine, and Agan had disappeared.

"What's in that bottle anyway?", Nerwen asked Sally. "Windex?"

Sally sniffed it. "Sure is!" she giggled.


The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie


The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4
Eomer (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Done to a turn Day 4
skip (Seer)- "Skewered like a wild boar" Night 5
Agan (Cobbler)- Became a firefighter Day 5

IT IS NIGHT 6 Wolf, do your thing.

[Inziladun]

Nerwen woke in her bed, puzzled. What had awakened her? Nothing appeared to be put of place.
The bedroom doors did not lock, but she had moved a chair under the doorknob to brace it. She lay there, listening. Then she heard it.

"Help.....meee," said a soft voice. It sounded like it was coming from the hall. She knew then that was what had disturbed her sleep.

Who is that? she wondered to herself. She couldn't tell. It could be a trick, she knew. Or it could be one of her friends lying wounded in the hall.

She struggled with herself, knowing it could be death to go out there, but also wondering how she could live with herself if someone was hurt and she hadn't helped them because she was frightened.

"Help...please....."

Nerwen made up her mind. Quietly she moved out of bed and tiptoed to the door to listen. She thought she heard soft movements outside. She silently removed the chair, and slowly opened the door.

Looking out of the doorway, she looked right, but saw nothing. To the left, by the stairs, she saw a form huddled on the floor.

"Help.....meee....."

She walked over to them, and began to reach out to see who it was. As she did so, with a gesture quick as lightening, a hand shot out and grabbed her throat with a viselike grip.

"Gotcha!" came a whisper from the floor.

The being on the floor held onto Nerwen too tightly for her to make a sound. It got to its feet.

"The good guys always take the chance to be a hero," the robot whispered.

Nerwen struck out at it many times, landing blows on its body and head, but they seemed to have no effect.

"We'll just make this easy, shall we?" it said.

They were at the edge of the stairs. The mechanoid picked Nerwen up and threw her over the balustrade, twenty feet to the marble floor below.

With Nerwen's last sight, she looked at the door to the dining room and hoped the others would make it.

The Living
Pitch
Sally
Lottie


The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4
Eomer (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Done to a turn Day 4
skip (Seer)- "Skewered like a wild boar" Night 5
Agan (Cobbler)- Became a firefighter Day 5
Nerwen (ordo)- Flying lessons were a failure Night 6

IT IS NOW DAY 6

[Loslote]

Well, it's Pitchie, of course. After Agan turned out to be the cobbler, I can't see any possible reason why it wouldn't be - and don't say because Sally's ebil. She very clearly is not, and I am not, either.

Sorry, Pitchie, but death approcheth, waving its arms and yelling boo.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, it's Pitchie, of course. After Agan turned out to be the cobbler, I can't see any possible reason why it wouldn't be - and don't say because Sally's ebil. She very clearly is not, and I am not, either.

Sorry, Pitchie, but death approcheth, waving its arms and yelling boo.


And if you are, I'll kill you. I'm just sayin'.



We could at least let him come out and play though. *pets him* One last hurrah, if you will.

[Pitchwife]

Shall we go through the motions, then?

All right. With Agan revealed as the cobbler by death, it's obvious that my theory about you two as a cobbler-wolf duo was wrong and one of you must be an innocent who has been cunningly buttered up and manipulated by the wolf.
Looking at it from this angle, I'm forced to reconsider my suspicion of sally yesterDay. It's not conclusive at this point, but Lottie looks more like the manipulator than the manipulated from the way she's pushed sally's innocence.

[satansaloser2005]

Actually....


You know, at a time like this, a body has to ask herself certain questions. Namely, why wasn't I killed last Night? I mean sure, I'm not going to complain, but I'm basically a known innocent here. There is no reason for the wolf to keep me around....unless they thought I'd be useful to them. Pitchie certainly doesn't want to keep me around. He knows I'd kill him in a heart(s)beat. If Nerwen was alive, I could see her keeping me around to make an ally against Pitch, and the same is true for Lottie. So....where does that leave me exactly? Nowhere, except to say that I'm very confused as to why Pitch would kill Nerwen (who seemed a lot less certain of his guilt and in fact swayed the lynch away from him yesterDay) rather than me. It just doesn't make sense, unless he knew he was screwed and is just being a gentleman and letting me keep my streak intact. Lottie, however, would have reasons to keep me alive. Namely, I've acted like I trust her up until now.

I'm just sayin'. This is an interesting conundrum I've got going on here. :Merisu:

[Pitchwife]

I'm basically a known innocent here.
But are you really? Lottie has gone to some lengths to make you look like one, but unless I'm too dumb to get it most of this was based on the argument that skip didn't suspect you on Day 4 and therefore wouldn't have dreamed you the Night he died - which is at best circumstantial evidence, not a proof. Short of skip rising from the grave and telling us who he dreamed, there is no such thing as a known innocent at this point; and it was precisely her insistence on this matter that made me think of her as the cobbler to your wolf.

Lottie, however, would have reasons to keep me alive. Namely, I've acted like I trust her up until now.
And vice versa. So which of you is it?

If it's Lottie, she's played an incredibly daring game by getting her two packmates lynched... but so far it's worked, hasn't it? The same for your pursuit of Eomer, with the difference that you only started it after Lottie had already suspected him for a while; and you didn't vote TEW.

Agan's vote for you yesterDay seems to speak for you, she'd hardly have attacked and voted the wolf at this time... except that with her own lynch guaranteed at the time she voted, it could be an attempt to make you look better. But she didn't know how the Day would end when she started to suspect you, so not that likely.

[satansaloser2005]

Skip stated at one point that the last wolf had to be either you (Pitch), Agan, or Lottie. That's pretty clear to me.

[satansaloser2005]

And vice versa. So which of you is it?

Indeed. I think the polite thing to do would be to just confess. I'll kill you anyway. :p

[Loslote]

I'm back, and I'm sorry for being so late - sleeping in, unexpected trip shoe shopping that I could hardly pass up, unexpected driving lesson that I would have liked to pass up but couldn't, and I actually put off finishing a couple of papers until after DL. This was, oddly enough, the earliest I could get on. :rolleyes:

You know, at a time like this, a body has to ask herself certain questions. Namely, why wasn't I killed last Night? I mean sure, I'm not going to complain, but I'm basically a known innocent here. There is no reason for the wolf to keep me around....unless they thought I'd be useful to them. Pitchie certainly doesn't want to keep me around. He knows I'd kill him in a heart(s)beat. If Nerwen was alive, I could see her keeping me around to make an ally against Pitch, and the same is true for Lottie. So....where does that leave me exactly? Nowhere, except to say that I'm very confused as to why Pitch would kill Nerwen (who seemed a lot less certain of his guilt and in fact swayed the lynch away from him yesterDay) rather than me. It just doesn't make sense, unless he knew he was screwed and is just being a gentleman and letting me keep my streak intact. Lottie, however, would have reasons to keep me alive. Namely, I've acted like I trust her up until now.

I'm just sayin'. This is an interesting conundrum I've got going on here. :Merisu:

Nerwen specifically stated that she thought the wolf/cobbler was either Pitchie and Agan, or Sally and me. Having been proved right about Agan, she would have had no qualms about going for Pitchie, and there was no way to frame her - nearly everyone agreed she'd probably been dreamed innocent. But you didn't - and still don't - trust me nearly as much. You voting for me is Pitchie's only chance. Nerwen would have voted for Pitchie. I will vote for Pitchie. You would not have voted for Nerwen, but there is some possibility of you voting me. Don't.

But are you really?

...yes. She is. She knows she's innocent. You know she's innocent by default (you know she's not a wolf). I know she's innocent. She's a known innocent, you just won't admit it.

If it's Lottie, she's played an incredibly daring game by getting her two packmates lynched...

As it happens, this is not an argument against my being a wolf. When I was a wolf, I gleefully (well, pretend gleefully) threw my packmates under the bus on Days 2, 3, and 4. As a Cursed Cobbler, I did quite a bit of heavy wolf-on-wolfing with my future packmate. This is just about your only point against me - that I killed wolves - and, sadly, it's almost a good point. :p

EDIT: xed with a couple of Sallys

[satansaloser2005]

This is heavy. o_O

[Loslote]

But he says nothing that doesn't, and we know he didn't dream Wolf 3 until last Night. I'd say Sally's general conduct argues against her being a wolf. It is true that she is a tremendous sneak and also capable of some very bold wolfing. But still, I'd need a better reason to vote her at this point than "general principles".

From here, unless the cobbler has really screwed up, it looks like Team Evil must be either you + Pitch, or Lottie + Sally. And the former looks more likely.

Here's the post I was talking about. So, if the wolf was trying to pick between us, here is a comparasin:

1. Neither of us is going to vote Sally
2. Both of us think Pitchie is a wolf
3. Sally's not going to vote Nerwen...but she might vote me.

So compared with Sally, Nerwen enjoys even more known-innocent status, plus she doesn't state anywhere that she would be happy with any lynch yesterDay, like Sally does. Ergo, the only chance Pitchwolf has is to kill Nerwen and try to convince Sally to vote for me.

[satansaloser2005]

*whistles*

Hello? Am I alone again? :(

[Loslote]

*whistles*

Hello? Am I alone again? :(

Nope! But you will be soon. ;)

++Pitchwolf

Have a nice Day...

[satansaloser2005]

Heh. Pitch, are you even going to try to save yourself? ;)

[Pitchwife]

Skip stated at one point that the last wolf had to be either you (Pitch), Agan, or Lottie. That's pretty clear to me.
Question is, was this based on his dreams or his reasoning? In the latter, the seer is just as fallible as everybody else.
But you're right, I'd totally overlooked that. If he was right in this, it would simplify things a great deal for me, since we know that Agan was the cobbler - and I know I'm not the wolf.

I think the polite thing to do would be to just confess. I'll kill you anyway.
Now this really makes me trust in your innocence.:rolleyes:

...yes. She is. She knows she's innocent. You know she's innocent by default (you know she's not a wolf). I know she's innocent. She's a known innocent, you just won't admit it.
No, I don't know that. And how can you know it (as in know, not 'believe' or 'be convinced') if you're an ordo? You realize I can turn this around?
Besides, every innocent knows they're innocent themselves, and every wolf knows who's innocent. By your logic, there would be no unknown innocents.

EDIT: x-ed with 1 Lottie and 1 sally

[satansaloser2005]

++pitch Pitch

I still love you? :Merisu:

[Pitchwife]

OK.

++Lottie

[Pitchwife]

I still love you? :Merisu:
And I the two of you... to the extent that a soulless mechanical minion of the film industry is capable of such feelings.;)

[satansaloser2005]

So....this is very anti-climactic. *hums*


Okay, I confess. I'm the wolf. Please excuse me while I go raid the freezer for a Lottiepop. :)


EDIT: x'd. Awwww, come on, ruin my fun. :p

[Pitchwife]

What about you, Lottie? Like to confess too? We've got to keep our readers entertained...

[Pitchwife]

Anyway, it's long past any sensible bedtime here. See you in the afterlife!

[satansaloser2005]

What about you, Lottie? Like to confess too? We've got to keep our readers entertained...

*uses meta*

I think she's actually gone.



So, Pitch? What do you think? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU) :Merisu:

(Snerk. That should keep everyone entertained for a while.)



ETA: Sorry, forgot to mention that the link isn't entirely little ghouls friendly. But darn it's funny. :p

[Inziladun]

DL (of course). I shall now put an end to this madness. :p

[Inziladun]

The day dawned with a sense of foreboding, an expectation that things would be decided definitively before the sun again set.
There were only three living persons left in the house: Pitchwife, Sally, and Loslote. It was clear early on that Sally and Lottie had made their minds up already, and nothing Pitch could say dissuaded them from their course. They were determined to see him die.

"You know what to do," said Lottie. "We've been through this enough."

"Why are you so sure I'm guilty?" asked Pitch.

"We've been over this again and again," said Sally, rolling her eyes. "No more talking."

"It doesn't make sense that Sally would be a baddie," said Lottie.

"Or Lottie, said Sally. "Guess who that leaves?"

"What if I don't want to 'go quietly'?" said Pitch with an air of menace.

Sally picked up the spray bottle of Windex again. "Don't make me use this!"

Pitch sighed. "Look. All right. I'm the last of the W.O.L.Fs. Happy now?"

"Not until you're smoking. And I don't mean cigars," said Lottie.

"Look. Let's talk a minute, all right? Want to know why all this happened in the first place?"

Neither Sally or Lottie answered, and the robot seemed to take that as its cue to continue.

"We were sent here by the studio to see what that Professor nutcase was on about now. You all didn't know that guy, but believe me, we did. He caused all kinds of problems." It looked at the others, then went on.

"Back when the LOTR movies were in production, he was just a nuisance. Sending e-mails, writing on websites about how the movies shouldn't be made. Complaining about the merchandising. After the movies were released , he went low-profile for awhile. Then, when serious work on The Hobbit movie began, he went totally off the rails." He looked at Sally and Lottie again, with a questioning air.

"Go ahead. This is interesting, I guess," said Sallly. But hurry it up."

"Well," continued the robot. "once the production for The Hobbit got into full swing, he got really crazy. He started picketing. First it was just the studio, and that wasn't a big deal."
"But then he started standing outside the house of one of the studio execs, dressed as Gandalf and waving a sign. At 2 AM. Then we didn't hear from him awhile."
"He didn't stay gone though. About a year ago he somehow snuck into the studio parking area, jumped out at one of the scriptwriters, and shot him with some contraption he called a "Neural Disruptor". It took the poor guy weeks to remember how to put his pants on again. Anyway, police got involved, but they couldn't charge him with anything but trespassing because they never found that disruptor thing. Who knows what he did with it?"

"Wow," said Lottie.

"So," continued Pitch. "They got a restraining order on him, and that was that. Then they saw that ad he'd placed, so they sent us here to stop whatever he was up to now."

"I see," said Sally.

Pitch looked at the other two.

"I'm telling you now, I'm not going into that thing. I'll make you a deal, though.
If you two just let this go, you can leave with me. I'll get you jobs."

"You're kidding!" exclaimed Sally

"Not at all. They still need people for The Hobbit movie. One of you could be Generic Elf #5, and there's an opening for Arwen's stunt double in the Battle of Five Armies."

"Arwen's in the Battle of Five Armies?" said Lottie incredulously.

"Yeah! The book had some stupid bear thing saving the day. We'll just give Arwen that part. No one will miss that bear, and Arwen is good for another $10,000.000 just by her presence. What do you say?"

"I'd say, 'Get in that chamber!'" said Sally.

"Fine," said Pitch. "That's what I get for being nice."

He lunged at Lottie and grabbed her throat. Sally yelled and tried to pull the fiend away from Lottie, but it was too strong.
Sally gripped the spray bottle and squirted the contents into the robot's eyes. That caused it to loosen its grip, and Lottie stumbled away from it.
Now Sally was its focus. It suddenly yanked the bottle out of Sally's hand and threw it. It advanced on Sally, its hands raised.

"OYRMMM" came a noise, and a blue beam of light struck Pitch's head from behind.

Lottie was there, holding something that looked like a gun, painted grey and black, but unlike any gun Sally had seen before. Lottie pointed to a label on the top of it which said "ND".

"I thought this could be that Neural Disruptor," said Lottie. I saw it the other day and thought at first it was some type of paint ball gun."

They turned their attentions to Pitch, who was now making metallic noises unconnected to speech. His arms flailed wildly. One of them struck the time machine hard and shattered part of a control panel. At that, several red lights came on around the machine and an alarm began to blare.

"Oh, gumdrop buttons!" said Lottie. "Didn't the Professor say it could blow up if it was tampered with? Now what?"

"Out of here at least!" said Sally, grabbing Lottie's hand. The latter dropped the Neural Disruptor. They ran out of the room toward the front door, as the machine began to vibrate and smoke.

When they reached the front door, they skidded to a halt, in shock.

The door to the outside was standing wide open.

"It opened! I wonder when it happened?" said Sally.

"Maybe just now," said Lottie. "It would make sense for it to open with the thing about to blow, wouldn't it? Come on!"

They sprinted outside, just as a flat "WHUMMMM" came from the house, and a blast of warm air that felt like a hand firmly pushing them in the back moved them away from the explosion.

They threw themselves on the ground beside the Professor's bus and crawled under it, as debris rained down around them.

When that threat seemed to have passed, they opened their eyes and slowly crawled out.

Fire blazed from the lower story of the house, and part of the second floor seemed to have collapsed.

"It's over," breathed Sally. "We made it."

"Yep," said Lottie. "Are the keys in that bus?"
They were.

Sally started the bus, and both began driving back to the main road.

"Well, the Professor's dream didn't happen, but those robots didn't kill us all," sighed Lottie. "Hey! This might make a good book!"

"Just don't sell the movie rights," Sally replied with a wink.

The Living
Sally (ordo)
Lottie (ordo)

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4
Eomer (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Done to a turn Day 4
skip (Seer)- "Skewered like a wild boar" Night 5
Agan (Cobbler)- Became a firefighter Day 5
Nerwen (ordo)- Flying lessons were a failure Night 6
Pitchwife (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Went out with a bang Day 6.

THE END

Village wins.

Wolves lose.

Cobbler loses.

Thanks to everyone for playing! Hopefully you all had fun, and I did a passable job modding for the first time. Seer dreams and whatnot are coming. Talk away!

[satansaloser2005]

Meh, I couldn't just go wholesale on the last Day. Lottie, I of course never really doubted you. ;)


Oh, and Agan, you're a sultry minx and I love you. :Merisu:

[Nerwen]

Great work, you two!:)

[satansaloser2005]

Great work, you two!:)

And you, Ma'am! :D

[Loslote]

Meh, I couldn't just go wholesale on the last Day. Lottie, I of course never really doubted you.

'Course, 'course. :p

And thanks to Zil for modding! :D

Also, Eomer, nice idea with the fake seer business. :)

[The Elf-warrior]

My condolences to my fellow W.O.L.F.S. for our narrow but inglorious defeat. Congratulations to the village for their victory. I'd also like to congratulate Inziladun for his spectacular final narration. Also, I'd like to thank our cobbler, Aganzir, for her efforts to aid our glorious cause.

If Inziladun's plan had succeeded, we would not only be deprived of Peter Jackson's films, but also Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings and the Rankin/Bass productions of The Hobbit and The Return of the King. And tell me, would not the world be a less merry place if deprived of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WcJbPlAknw)?

[satansaloser2005]

If Inziladun's plan had succeeded, we would not only be deprived of Peter Jackson's films, but also Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings and the Rankin/Bass productions of The Hobbit and The Return of the King. And tell me, would not the world be a less merry place if deprived of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WcJbPlAknw)?

Do you know how badly I want that as a ringtone? :rolleyes:

Also, I'd say I'm terribly sorry you had to go so early, but I'm not. *hugs you anyway* ;)

[The Elf-warrior]

To be honest, I liked being able to take it easy as a stiff and just watch. I made a pretty pathetic wolf while I was alive. During the hours before the deadline I'd finally compose something, then erase it. Sorry, everybody, for my low participation.

[Loslote]

To be honest, I liked being able to take it easy as a stiff and just watch. I made a pretty pathetic wolf while I was alive. During the hours before the deadline I'd finally compose something, then erase it. Sorry, everybody, for my low participation.


Ah, but now we have the term "Drive-by Fenris", which I hadn't heard before, if we'd invented it. :D

[Nerwen]

Ah, but now we have the term "Drive-by Fenris", which I hadn't heard before, if we'd invented it. :D

Should it go in the Glossary?

By the way, I just realised I forgot to put "Fenris" in!

[Loslote]

Should it go in the Glossary?

By the way, I just realised I forgot to put "Fenris" in!

Dooooo it. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Very enjoyable game! Congratulations to the village - especially those left near the end, whose eyes no wool could be pulled over.

Will post more thoughts later. Also: very nice concept Iziladun.

[skip spence]

Yeah, that was a fun game! Sally, you came good on your promise and I salute you for that! Kudos to the ladies finishing the job off, though I felt you could've gone for Pitch right away and Nerwen wouldn't have had to die. But that cobbler was seriously pesky and I don't blame you for doing away with her first. Will post more too...

[Nerwen]

Yeah, that was a fun game! Sally, you came good on your promise and I salute you for that! Kudos to the ladies finishing the job off, though I felt you could've gone for Pitch right away and Nerwen wouldn't have had to die.
Well, it was I that made the decision to vote Agan. I thought Pitch was the more likely wolf, but Lottie was talking about lynching Agan, and I was afraid of our votes crossing.