Werewolf LXXXIII: The Nightmare on the East Road

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Very interesting. Green posits that because Shasta had suspected Aganzir and myself without ever voting for us that it points to the guilt of one of us. I read her point thinking: "No-one will go for that, surely? Shasta was a blabbermouth and suspected a number of people; he can vote for only one per day."

For the record, I know I'm innocent and I believe Aganzir is innocent too (Shasta went strongly against Aganzir).

But immediately, two people buy into it. Nerwen votes for me, in an apologetic way no less. Alarm bells immediately go off. Then Formendacil chooses Agan -- I suspect to avoid accusations of bandwagoning.

Ai, ai! Kath might be innocent yet!

It's Green, Form and Nerwen for the gallows says I!

As an aside I fully expected to be a target for the wolves and their cobbler today, so heed my words should I die.

[Aganzir]

it wasn't just strong suspicion, it was an absolute and aggressive conviction of Agan's furriness.
Who knows, maybe she wanted to look like the seer so you'd have lynched me and she would've got rid of a pain in the neck... I want to hear her reasons when the game ends. ;)

I brought it up because I thought it could help me see clearer about Agan, but as things are, it doesn't very much.
If you're asking if I'm Tom - nope. However, I'm pretty sure I know who they are, and should they say so, I can share it with the rest of you (that's not forbidden, is it? :p).

Also, I seriously consider voting for Form now. When he bothers to show up, he votes for me because Shasta mentioned him and me in the same post yesterday.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Loslote for Eomer

Wilwa for Pitch

Nerwen for Eomer

Form for Aganzir

[Aganzir]

FORM
He never talked of Shasta before yesterday, and then he dedicated several paragraphs to discussing what it means that Shasta mentioned him and me together (he suggests Shasta was shielding me). It looks funny because it didn't even occur me to suspect Form because of it ("Oh the dying wolf is just throwing names there."), and thus he looks quite jumpy (wanting to point it out before anyone else did). He voted for wilwa on day 1 because apparently entertaining trumps useful (this I find a possible cobbler hint).

KATH
Summarised Shasta's day 2 posts (along with everyone else's) and said she didn't like how Shasta jumped on a comment of Inzil's but didn't like how they tried to out the seer, either. Later she said Shasta was leaning guilty (as well as Nog, Inzil, EW & Volo): although his words had been taken out of context a lot, he focused on the seer too much and could be the cobbler. On day 3 she made a new summary but didn't have time for Shasta (and Form & sally). She ended up giving the decisive vote that lynched EW whose playing style she didn't like, and although she xed with a lot of votes, the situation was ultimately the same because in the last tally she saw, everyone was tied at 1. Based on how she talked of Shasta, she could be a wolf who had decided to put some pressure on a fellow, but she could as well be innocent. However, her vote for EW isn't too good-looking.

GREENIE
Unless I missed something, she doesn't even mention Shasta until day 3 (granted, she didn't post much, but still). Then, she hadn't ignored the possibility of him being a wolf (which she always does when he is one), and he looks ok. This would be a very convenient way to treat a fellow, but when you look at how she talked of us others, it wasn't much different. The same day, she made an analysis of EW and concluded he seemed consistent in his inconsistency and she was uneasy with how much he flip-flopped. In hindsight it's pretty obvious he was the seer - and it must have been obvious to the wolves. If Greenie is a wolf, having the guts to quote all EW's posts and conclude he looks slightly fishy is bravery that borders on idiocy (and I wouldn't put it past her - but she could have voted for him simply with "He's so quiet!"). She thought Shasta looked genuine, and voted for EW, tying him with me, Eomer and Zil (although she xed, so for all she knew, she was only tying him with me).

WILWA
Argues with Shasta on day 2 regarding his assumptions & suggestion of trying to figure out who the wolves attacked. It looks genuine, and I find it hard to believe they would've staged it. She considered voting for him but said she probably wouldn't because it was mostly a case of her not agreeing with him. I'm willing to bet she isn't a wolf. Of course she might still be the cobbler, but even that seems highly unlikely.

NERWEN
Comments a lot on the things Shasta says, but says precious little about him. Shasta's vote for Volo is mentioned as part of the group "nastily opportunistic".

PITCH
Shasta looked the best to him on day 1, after one single post. On day 2 he comments on Shasta's theory but doesn't really state on opinion on the people involved. It's not so much an argument but rather he just questions Shasta. Later, he wonders about Shasta (and Nerwen) who seemed to suggest Nog was the BW impersonating the seer. He says EW's vote isn't as bad as Shasta (and Lottie) made it look, but trying to lynch a supposed seer would be quite dangerous - however, EW might not have thought it through. He says he wouldn't mind getting rid of a submarine (EW) in lack of better options, but follows Shasta (who, he's inclined to think, is innocent) in saying he could vote for Zil which he does.

EOMER
Doesn't even mention Shasta before EW's death (but then, he was pretty quiet until then). Since then, Eomer is convinced Shasta is a wolf and doesn't consider other possibilities.

I'm not going to waste my time going through Lottie's posts because I'm quite sure she's innocent.

Nerwen, Eomer & Pitch all had a conveniently nonchalant attitude towards Shasta before EW's death.

The EW voters Greenie & Kath: Greenie's overall treatment of Shasta looks worse than Kath's, Kath's vote worse than Greenie's.

Form's worry about being mentioned by Shasta makes it look like he has a reason to think it should point at him... but apart from that, he's been so quiet it's much more difficult to place him than the others.

wilwa is the only person on the list who I think could not be a wolf.

It's quite hard to say who looks the most suspicious. I'd dare a guess both Greenie & Kath aren't wolves, at least... Just because lynching the seer who has dreamed of a wolf isn't the best-looking thing to do.

[Aganzir]

Also, we can afford to lynch an innocent today, but if we don't get a wolf or the cobbler tomorrow, we lose.

[Aganzir]

Also, to Ferny - you really should pay more attention to the hints that have been fired at you like ICBMs all game long. :rolleyes: It's lucky we know who you are, but do get with the program, won't you?
This post bothers me. Is there a chance the wolves have actually managed to find the cobbler, or was Shasta just trying to confuse us and get us to waste our time trying to find possible cobbler hints? Because if the wolves know who the cobbler is and we lynch an innocent today, it only takes an ordo to vote for another ordo tomorrow and we lose.

My best bet at the moment is Form, simply because of some stuff he's said. The problem is, it's impossible to tell wolfish evil from cobblerish evil, and so many people look suspicious that they can't all be baddies.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, Agan, I'm happy to vote Form. I'm fairly confident he's evil (albeit his knowledge of family trees is exemplary :p ).

[Pitchwife]

D1
Mostly controversy with Agan and me about whether or not to lynch a suspected BW or leave them to Tom (What bothered me about her position here was that she was neglecting the danger that Tom might be mislynched or Nightkilled before he had a chance to do his job. Meanwhile, this point is luckily moot, but at the time I found it Wightish or wolvish. On the other hand, maybe she thought Tom couldn't be Nightkilled (our known innocent Zil did, too) and just didn't want the village to steel Tom's thunder.) Suspects me, mostly for our disagreement (mutual). Votes Agan to save wilwa and Glirdan whom she thought innocent, but doesn't really suspect Agan either. (?)

D2
Mostly argues with Shasta against his NogSeer-cum-BW theory (now known to have been a frame attempt, so this speaks for her), thinks Eomer a likelier Seer-cum-BW than Nog but wants to leave him to Tom. Thinks Nog and Shasta likely both innocent, wilwa and Zil feel genuine, could vote for a quiet player (most likely TEW) or me. Votes TEW because he's not saying much and what he's saying looks really off. (Not much to fault here so early in the game. Her vote a bit easy maybe, but going after quiet players was more or less common consensus that Day, with only one vote for a really loud player in the whole tally.)

D3
Conclusions from the Night-kill: Eomer more likely to be the BW, but only if Agan is evil; or Tom could already have hunted Eomer, so he might be a wolf instead, and in this case Agan probably not his packmate. (Eomer was rather commonly suspected on Day 2, and her thought process is logical here.)
Disagrees with TEW about Shasta trying to frame Nog (we now know that's what he was doing, but at the time several people (me included) agreed that it wasn't very likely). Not feeling good about me, me and TEW could be packmates (probably because I defended him). Still considering Eomer. Votes TEW for more or less the same reasons as the Night before. (Again, it of an easy vote, and with hindsight, TEWs blunt accusation of Shasta was obviously Seerish, but looking at my own voting on that Day I'm not one to talk here.)

D4
Takes apart Shasta's defense that TEW used his votes to hint at future dreams, is one of the first to vote him (looking pretty good). A list: Agan and Nerwen deniably good; wilwa, Greenie and Kath the same but not quite so good; Zil and Formy deniably evil, Eomer and me same but worse, sallyWight and Shastawolf undeniably evil. (No reasons given here. Part of the list is self-explaining from what she's said about people earlier - especially Agan's and Eomer's placements, which to some extent depend on each other, and mine, which I guess is based on her constant bad feelings plus my link to Shasta from D3 - , others not so much - the middle sections, and how Nerwen and Zil ended up where they did, when both had argued against Shasta's defense along with her and Nerwen had voted Agan, Lottie's other most trusted player, for two the last two Days.)

Conclusion so far: A lot of good reasoning mixed with some opinions that seem based more on hunches, not much reexamining of earlier conclusions (the whole Agan/Eomer matter), which you could also call consistency, I suppose. No obvious wolvish twists that I can put my finger on. One thing that stands out is that she's been quite constantly suspecting me but never votes me, but I rather think that's her being fair to me in my absence.
Taking in account TEW's possible dream hint, I'm more inclined to think her OK than not.

Update toDay:
Frankly, I'm not that happy with the way she uses Shasta's words on the gallows to further confirm her suspicion of Eomer and me. Lottie, this is not just because it's me, but it looks like you're only seeing what you want to see - like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Think about it, if you're truly innocent.


I intend to go on with Greenie, but with DL in less than two hours, I don't know if I'll have enough time toDay.

EDIT: x-ed with #501 down.

[Aganzir]

Well, Agan, I'm happy to vote Form. I'm fairly confident he's evil (albeit his knowledge of family trees is exemplary :p ).
Nice to know but I'm just afraid it would be too easy... Especially because I'm suspicious of you too. In any case I'm not voting quite yet, I want to see others post first.

And I admit my wish to lynch Form is not only because of how he's behaved the last two days but also out of spite (which might be dangerous at this stage).

[Aganzir]

Pitch was that really necessary? I mean, it's nice that I'm not the only one analysing posts and all, but to choose the one player the seer called OK?

[A Little Green]

All right, looks like it's about my bed-time. I was intending to do a proper list and have a look at a few people but some studying came on the way. :(

Very interesting. Green posits that because Shasta had suspected Aganzir and myself without ever voting for us that it points to the guilt of one of us. I read her point thinking: "No-one will go for that, surely? Shasta was a blabbermouth and suspected a number of people; he can vote for only one per day."Fair point, and it's possible that he quite simply didn't have enough Days to vote for everyone he suspected. But with the two of you, he seemed to suspect you - especially Agan - more than the ones he actually ended up voting. Of course voting late as he usually did he would have to pick of the choices available at the time, but the thing is - suspecting a fellow wolf is a clever move from a wolf. Very clever. Voting a fellow wolf, especially one who has been under suspicion from others too, is really risky. The point I'm trying to make is that while it's entirely possible no wolvish connection exists between Shasta and one or both of you, it would also be very fitting if it did.


EDIT: x-ed with two Agans

[Pitchwife]

Pitch was that really necessary? I mean, it's nice that I'm not the only one analysing posts and all, but to choose the one player the seer called OK?
Maybe not, but I thought I remembered it was herself or Shasta who first suggested that he'd dreamed her and therefore didn't just want to rely on it; arriving at Day 4, I found Zil had mentioned it in his first post that Day, but at that point I was mostly done and thought I might as well finish it.

[A Little Green]

It's going to be Agan or Eomer for me toDay I think, as my logic has carried me only that far. My intuition would point me to voting someone no one even considers, maybe Nerwen or Wilwa, but since my logic says nothing of Nerwen and innocent of Wilwa I will certainly not vote either. ToMorrow, if I'm still alive, I should have a little more time to look at people. Hopefully.

So I'm going to go with

++ Eomer

because a) of the two I'm inclined to think one is a wolf, he is the one that looks like a more likely lynch, b) though Shasta's connection to Agan looks slightly worse (more consistently suspicious so the never-vote looks even weirder - though also, his suspicion of her is bold to an extent of being foolish as wolf-on-wolf), Agan looks otherwise more innocent, and c) there has been something bizarre about Eomer all through the game - something just doesn't sit right with him - but this last is no proper argument, just a feeling.

This is going to be the last from me toDay. Good night!


EDIT: x-ed with Pitch

[Aganzir]

The point I'm trying to make is that while it's entirely possible no wolvish connection exists between Shasta and one or both of you, it would also be very fitting if it did.
I can see your point and I don't think it's as far-fetched as Eomer suggested. However, it's also good for a wolf to have several suspects so you can just kind of decide who it's a good time to concentrate on each day (maybe in order to save a fellow or whatever)... But yeah, he never voted for either of us although there would've been a chance to lynch us both. It doesn't really affect my opinion on Eomer though, he looks suspicious enough on his own, but because I'm innocent, it's not entirely impossible he is, too.

Maybe not, but I thought I remembered it was herself or Shasta who first suggested that he'd dreamed her and therefore didn't just want to rely on it; arriving at Day 4, I found Zil had mentioned it in his first post that Day, but at that point I was mostly done and thought I might as well finish it.
Aww poor Pitch! :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, you're lynching the last innocent you can afford. At least you'll pay attention to my posts when I'm gone. :p

[Aganzir]

I'm feeling increasingly uneasy about Form, Greenie and Nerwen. "There are these two people, it's likely that one of them is a wolf, or even both." That's basically the same as "Okay, we lynch Eomer today and if he's innocent, we lynch Agan tomorrow." If Eomer turns out to be an ordo, I'd strongly recommend considering one of the aforementioned three tomorrow because they have all been pushing it (Nerwen the least).

With that, I'm starting to have doubts about Eomer's guilt, mainly because there seems to be a certain group that wants him dead. And because he always seems to look suspicious, regardless of his role.

Aieee.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm going to look like a fool if you're guilty, Agan, but I really believe you're innocent. And if that's the case, you've hit the nail on the head with that last post. Nerwen, Green and Form are my villains (it's possible that Kath can be exchanged for one of them but I'm leaning away from that now).

[Aganzir]

Lottie - Eomer
wilwa - Pitch
Nerwen - Eomer 2
Form - Agan
Greenie - Eomer 3

Left: Agan, Eomer, Kath, Pitch

I actually almost feel like trying Form instead of Eomer.

[Aganzir]

I'm going to look like a fool if you're guilty, Agan
It works the other way round, too. :rolleyes: I'm going to be seriously mad if you're a wolf and I've almost lynched you before but try to save you now. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Are Kath and Pitch gonna sign in?

[Aganzir]

Are Kath and Pitch gonna sign in?
I believe Pitch is taking a look at Greenie... I'd like to hear from Kath though (something else than Alpha speculation).

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, I've just poured some Macallan single malt and I'm here until deadline. I seriously love Werewolf.

[Aganzir]

++Form

Because I feel worse about him each time I read a post by him, and because he, along with - conveniently - two other people seems intent on getting both me and Eomer dead. And I have over 10 times more posts than he.

If Eomer is a baddie I'll totally deserve to be ridiculed, but I'm rather fooled by a wolf who speaks more.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Agreed.

++FORMENDACIL

[Pitchwife]

Looking at the clock, I'm afraid that Greenalysis will have to wait till toMorrow. From how far I've got yet (Day 3), I must say that just from the tone of her voice she doesn't really feel like a wolf.

Wow, I just realized how small this village has become all of a sudden, and how quiet.
I'm going to look like a fool if you're guilty, Agan, but I really believe you're innocent. And if that's the case, you've hit the nail on the head with that last post. Nerwen, Green and Form are my villains (it's possible that Kath can be exchanged for one of them but I'm leaning away from that now).
It works the other way round, too. I'm going to be seriously mad if you're a wolf and I've almost lynched you before but try to save you now.
And I'm going to look like a fool if I end up trusting yet another wolf, which might well happen with how clueless I currently am about you two.
But you know what, this sudden thinking alike of great minds is a bit funny. What's funny too is that Agan has examined my interaction with Shasta in some detail but doesn't seem to really suspect me, and Eomer actually thinks I'm innocent. Makes me wonder if perhaps you know I'm not a wolf.
For all I know, I could be looking at one or even two of Shasta's packmates looking for Ferny.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Can't remember for certain why I think you're innocent, Pitch; it was something to do with your Shasta interaction though. He suspected you, I believe.

[Kath]

I'm sorry I keep forgetting deadline is now an hour earlier.

Someone throw me a vote count? Reeeeally don't want to end up with ties and last minute votes again.

[Aganzir]

What's funny too is that Agan has examined my interaction with Shasta in some detail but doesn't seem to really suspect me
Should I?
I don't think it made you look particularly innocent either, but you're not my primary worry at the moment.

[Kath]

I don't like the attack on Eomer. He hasn't done anything particularly suspicious so far as I've seen. I mean, he's been suspected the last couple of Days for a) possibly being the Barrow Wight and b) possibly being the Seer. Generally not much of being a wolf. Also, if EW had dreamed of him then I doubt that he would have changed his vote. I do not believe that ANY Seer having dreamt of 2 out of 3 wolves (Eomer and Shasta) would not reveal and tell us that.

[Aganzir]

Kath I believe it's Eomer-3, Form-2, me-1, Pitch-1, with you & Pitch still to vote.

[Aganzir]

Also, if EW had dreamed of him then I doubt that he would have changed his vote. I do not believe that ANY Seer having dreamt of 2 out of 3 wolves (Eomer and Shasta) would not reveal and tell us that.
I don't think EW did, my best guess is that it was n1-Lottie, n2-Volo, n-3 Shasta. No time for Eomer...

[Kath]

As for Form, whatever the case with non-involvement and it being waaay too tempting to want to lynch for that, I don't think that if he had a role he would be so uninvolved. Somehow I just don't believe that of him. It would be unsportsmanlike.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If you want my honest advice, you should both vote for Form. :D

[Kath]

Eomer, for me it feels to be choosing between two innocents. If there were any voters left I'd be voting for Greenie. On a readthrough of the thread she stuck out as the most suspicious to me.

[Aganzir]

As for Form, whatever the case with non-involvement and it being waaay too tempting to want to lynch for that, I don't think that if he had a role he would be so uninvolved. Somehow I just don't believe that of him. It would be unsportsmanlike.
That's a fair point I guess, but even if he's innocent it's not very sportsmanlike to refrain from posting. If you are only involved when special, why sign up? So I don't think I'll regret my vote (much) even if he turns out innocent.

[Kath]

Well maybe Agan but that said if I think he's innocent I'm not much likely to vote for him. All our positive special roles have gone so even if Eomer is innocent if I don't think Form is guilty it's vaguely pointless to vote an ordo to save an ordo.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well Kath, don't vote Green today. It's pointless. Choose between me and Form.

For what it's worth, I believe Green is guilty too.

[Kath]

It's also pointless to choose between you and Form, Eomer. If Pitch isn't voting then if I vote Form it just causes a tie, and if I vote you it's superfluous.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Pitch will vote. There is always a choice!

[Aganzir]

Even if they're both innocent, I'd rather Form died than Eomer because Eomer is actually playing.

[Pitchwife]

Agan, didn't you say yourself it was too easy?
Somethings fishy here, and I doubt it's Form. I may be going to rue this, but I think

++Eomer

[Kath]

But I'd be more convinced of Form's innocence than Eomer's.

You know what? I ended up being the Seer-lyncher the other Day. I'm wussing out toDay.

++GREENIE

In preparation for toMorrow.

[Aganzir]

And now I'm second-guessing myself "what if Eomer is a wolf who's fooled me into voting an innocent and is now smirking behind his screen"... Argh!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ach weel, so be it.

Read my posts. I'm no seer but, you know...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh and, Ho Bom, Dom-Ba-Lom, or something. :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm here, I'm here! No more talking! I shall get on with narratin'.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fare thee well, my Aime (http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7565583/)...

[Boromir88]

"See, what did I tell you love? We get Bombadil to take care of the Barrow-wight for us, and then we take care of him."

"You were right, but still I'd like to have eaten Tom myself. He looked delicious."

"You think everyone looks delicious, until you take a bite out of them."

"Hehe, true, but I thought Butterbur was good, it was just his ale that bothered me. Oooh, and Inzil, that was a fun mess we made of him last night. However, now we only got simple folk to feed on, since the village has done a good job getting rid of all their special treats."

"I'm not going to complain about that. We're going to feast on all of them sooner or later."

The wolves were in higher spirits and a renewed confidence now that only the common folk remained in their way. Also, if Ferney had been doing his job, it was sure he'd know at least one of them by now. Or so they thought. In any case, it was time to eat again and the wolves chose Lottie tonight.

"Let's hope she's not Ferney." said one of the wolves crossing its finger.

"I don't think so. Ferney doesn't sound like an appetizing person to eat at all, does it? I'd imagine he'd be rough and grossly chewy." said the wolf who thinks everyone looks tasty. "But say Lottie. MMMM the name melts in your mouth and so she will."

Lottie awoke to see the two dark figures standing around her, licking their lips. She didn't struggle much or shout, it seems like she had accepted her fate. Her last words were something like, "I hope you choke on my clavicle."

But the wolves would not joke on any of Lottie's bones, and she indeed was not Ferney, but just another common, tasty wolf treat.

LIVING
Agan
Formendacil
Greenie
Kath
Nerwen
Pitchwife
Wilwa

DEAD
Boro (Mod) - knocked out stone-cold - Night 1
Fea (honorary co-mod) - nommed by wolfies - Night 1
Glirdan (cobbler) - Harry Goatleaf - Day 1
No death! - Night 2
Volo (innocent) - Ranger - Day 2
Nogrod (innocent) - Butterbur - Night 3
Elf-Warrior (innocent - Seer - Day 3
No death! - Night 4
Shasta (evil) - wolf - Day 4
Inzil (innocent) - ordo - Night 5
Sally (evil) - Barry Wight - Night 5
Eomer (innocent) - Bombadil - Day 5
Loslote (innocent) - ordo - Night 6

Now Day 6.
(There be no gifteds left to lynch so maybe the village will fair better today...eh? :p).

[wilwarin538]

(There be no gifteds left to lynch so maybe the village will fair better today...eh? :p).

Hey hey hey, we also got a Wolf and a Cobbler, so we have not been doing all that bad. :p

5 hours in, and no posts? I'm dissapointed.

I was going to do a list but my computer is glitching up again (I really need to get a new one), and I don't want to spend time writing something long only to lose it before I can post. So I will try to come on in the morning when I can use my sister's computer. Hopefully I'll be able to participate more than I did the last Day.

[Nerwen]

Hey hey hey, we also got a Wolf and a Cobbler, so we have not been doing all that bad. :p
You must admit though, it's quite remarkable how few ordos have kicked the bucket this game.

So, apologies to Eomer. As I said, I just thought his attack on Shasta was a possible wolf-on-wolf. Also– which I should have explained yesterDay– with such strong evidence against Shasta, it seemed likely that one or both of his packmates would decide to bus him immediately. Now, at the time, of those who strongly argued against him even before he confessed, Zil was dead and Lottie a probable dreamed innocent. So that left Eomer. Well, I was wrong.

I'm just looking at Day One now, and the thing that strikes me is this: no wolves posted for ages. As we all know, it's usual for a wolf or two to be among the first to post on Day One– both because the little darlings can't contain their eagerness, and also just as a matter of statistical probability. Yet, this time the first unknown (to the rest of you) was me, five hours and forty minutes into the Day. Wolftanis posted at 4:55 AM GMT, and then the first unknown from my point of view was Greenie (#28), a whole twelve hours after DL. So I'd say the remaining wolves either had time constraints, were lying low on purpose, or just weren't all that interested in playing. Either way, we can't any longer use the "not participating enough to be a wolf" argument. (Not to mention we're running out of active players anyway.)

[Nerwen]

Well, I had to go out, so I haven't got very far with this. But then I appear to be talking to myself here anyway.:rolleyes:

Here's an interesting point. We now know Sally was the person attacked on Night One. Why? Had the wolves spotted her as the Barrow Wight? Or did they perhaps think she was the Seer? Well, she did talk about the BW on Day One, but so of course did a good many people.

In this post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=641735&postcount=69) she comments on Aganzir's scenario of the BW joining forces with the baddies:
1. How will the BW know who the wolves are?
2. Why would they side with the wolves? If the wolves win, they'll gang up and kill the BW, because they'll know who is not one of them. That just doesn't work.
That might have been a giveaway– too clearly thinking from the Wight's POV.

Well, that's not much use to us now. However, in the same post she also says:
I myself got the bad vibe from Greenie. Her painting of the worst-case scenario felt somewhat... mischevious. Additionally Agan liking Greenie instead of finding her suspicious points to an abnormality. This is just a hunch and I'll add that I've found Greenie suspicious all the time after her first game in which she was Wolf. But what do you think?
I concur. It would be very like Agan to distract the village with a secondary plan of killing the BW in order to lessen the pressure on the wolves. I could totally see it.

I've not looked hard enough at Greenie (not really at all, in fact) to say anything either way. I'll hope to look at her toMorrow and see what I think of the post.
Could that have looked like Seer-code for "I dreamt Agan last Night and I'm going to dream Greenie toNight"? Or maybe for "I'm going to dream either of them toNight" ("could see it" is ambiguous)? What she actually says about her vote suggests the second option.

Okay, kids, I will NOT be back after this post, period. Too many errands to run after work and possibly lots of work to do this afternoon anyway. Thus, a vote.

++Agan

There's a chance her BW plan is actually innocent, but I don't think she would be thinking so far ahead as an ordo, and as a gifted (the seer at least) she would likely rather keep her head down and worry about finding the BW and exposing them herself. Thus, I don't think it's necessarily a completely evil scheme, but I think she wants to get rid of another opponent right off the bat, and since the BW doesn't pose much of a threat to the village right now, that leaves her as evil.

[Nerwen]

Formendacil

Day One

#51. Banter with Eomer; hates Day Ones. (What a surprise!)

#96. (At this point, Agan had 3 votes. Wilwa and Glirdan 1 each.)

As said before, I don't think Agan should die toDay, so if I'm to cast a useful vote, it needs to be either Glirdan-ward or Wilwa-ward. Of the two, I've found Glirdan more entertaining toDay, and Wilwa slightly more useful...

But it's Day 1, and slightness is slight... so...

++ Wilwarin
Comment: The oddity of voting the "slightly more useful" person over the "entertaining" one has already been commented on– however, I don't think it's that important in Day One vote. Not by itself, anyway. However, the fact remains that, unlike Glirdan or Agan, Wilwa had done nothing to attract suspicion. The other vote on her was Glirdanleaf's (#63) (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=641728&postcount=63), which he himself admitted to be completely random. (With hindsight, he must have voted her precisely because he didn't think she was a wolf.)


Day Two

#161. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=641931&postcount=161) Discusses the Night's events; not happy about the lack of a Night-kill, since it gives no information.

Comment: This seems much too obvious and open for a wolf to say.

However–

#195. Well... I'm here and reading, and while I am utterly disinclined to do so, I feel guilty about not posting so... I'm posting. Pitch has unflatteringly, but dead-accurately described me as "maybe I can be bothered, maybe not," and to be 100% honest, I'm more wrapped up in my paper at the moment than in catching wolves.

I'd prefer to think that speaks for my innocence, given that I tend to be more invested in things as a wolf--and as the Days go on, and there's more to analyze--but that's just me. I believe I have been obliqued accused of being somewhat callous already... let me dig up the quote...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerwen
You're upset no-one got killed in the Night? Really?
Okay, maybe I exaggerate to say "callous," but it's a nice, hard-boiled accusation that would fit with Pitch's description of me. And, let's be clear: I am a bit callous here. We would have more to go on if we had a cold, dead wolf-kill. At Night 2 in the game, it's arguably more valuable for the village to lose an ordo and gain some concrete evidence than to go kill-less. Obviously, this will vary depending on the situation--for example, in the case of a Ranger-save, at least the Ranger knows who one innocent is, and can do some digging accordingly... but the only people in THIS situation who now know more than they did yesterDay are the BW and the Wolves... none of whom are on the village's side.

Heh--look at that! I'm all worked up now. A good, rousing reply in the next half hour or so might even spur me to more action.

Maybe.
Comment: Oh, I don't like this post. The last part uses many words to say very little; for the rest, Form just analyses himself, and is at pains to point out how his apathy should be taken for a sign of innocence.


#209. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=641994&postcount=209)Has no time to make a proper decision. Likes Nog's case for Agan being a cobbler, but will not vote her because, "she's much too hot a topic toDay for me to vote for on that reason alone. Without studying it to the extent that it deserves, I don't want to be swept up in something with such highly volatile bandwaggon potential."

Votes Wilwa again, "in the interests of economy", adding that this time she does feel "slightly off" to him.


Day Three

#428. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=642404&postcount=428) Cast the fourth vote on Shasta. Not much to conclude from that, since Shasta was obviously going down by that point. (Form may have X'd with his actual confession, however.) Rest of this long post is largely devoted to analysing himself again ( :confused: ), including discussing his own "lying low" tactics and mentioning how busy he is. He does devote some time to musing on the possible guilt of Agan and Eomer– the former because the doomed Wolftanis had suggested that she and Form be modkilled.


Day Four

#500.
So... I came on the Downs approximately 3 hours ago, intending to post here, and completely got sidetracked by the genealogy of the sons of Eärendil, and then got distracted by a process of tangentially related ideas such that... I'm only here now, and with other things to do.

Hopefully, though, you expect nothing else from me at this point, given how the game has gone so far.

Quote:
Originally Posted by A Little Green
This, though, is really interesting. Especially the first category. Shasta was quite consistent in suspecting both Agan and Eomer, and yet never voted either. I doubt both two are his fellows, that would be a very odd move from Shasta's part, but I'll be a bit surprised if neither of them is.
In my read-through of posts so far, this is what stuck out to me... largely because I tend to agree--although I'm a bit more willing than Greenie to think they could both be wolves, while conceding that one is, in fact, more likely.

In keeping then, with my yesterDay suspicions about Agan (namely that she was listed with me in Shasta's post for the purposes of exonerating her, convicting me, doing both, or just confusing the village), I'll lean in her direction, though Eomer is giving me bad vibes as well.

++ Aganzir

I may be on later... but I'm not committing to it.
This post is... partly okay. The okay bit is where he echoes Greenie's argument– adding nothing, but that's acceptable for someone in a hurry, and I admit I did much the same myself. His own reason for suspecting Agan, there, though, is just plain silly. To quote myself on the "alpha wolf" topic, there's no way of telling whether that was a bluff, or a double-bluff, or what. I also don't care for the way he again draws attention to his general lack of involvement. This is getting absurd– I mean, for someone who clams to have been too busy and apathetic throughout the game to do anything at all productive, he's written some quite long posts, and always seems to have a pretty good handle on what's going on.


Conclusions: I hadn't even thought much about Form before– but he really doesn't look too good. At the very least, he's certainly being– how shall I put it?– aggressively unhelpful.

EDIT:formatting.

[Nerwen]

Still no-one around?

[Nerwen]

I mean, honestly, apart from the first post the entire day has consisted entirely of me talking to myself!:rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

So I'd say the remaining wolves either had time constraints, were lying low on purpose, or just weren't all that interested in playing.
The first would point at us Europeans, the second two at Form. :p

That might have been a giveaway– too clearly thinking from the Wight's POV.
But would the wolves have wanted to attack a suspected BW?

My guess is that the wolves went after sally because she had talked little and the only person her death would point at was me - and because of something Nog said:
Sally seems to be trying this time. She's not only dealing cookies and talking random. So should I be suspicious of her? I am.
I only remembered it now, but the wolves might have thought she was a gifted. Because there was something off with her and it was obvious even before Nog put it into words.

[Nerwen]

But would the wolves have wanted to attack a suspected BW?
No, you're right– I hadn't thought that out properly.

[Aganzir]

Okay I don't know how useful this is going to be, but I'll go through everyone's posts and see what they said of sally.

[Nerwen]

My guess is that the wolves went after sally because she had talked little and the only person her death would point at was me.
You and Greenie– but in both cases it looks more like she's saying she's thinking of dreaming you. While that would no doubt have rung more alarm bells if one or both of you were wolves, it could have made her look like the Seer even if you're not.

EDIT:X'd with Agan.

[Aganzir]

You and Greenie– but in both cases it looks more like she's saying she's thinking of dreaming you. While that would no doubt have rung more alarm bells if one or both of you were wolves, it could have made her look like the Seer even if you're not.
True - and if Greenie is a wolf, she might have got worried. After all, many people seemed convinced I was the cobbler.

[Aganzir]

Form
Complains about the lack of nightkill. On day 4, he says there's a villain in the sally/Agan feud, maybe the Wight but he's inclined to think otherwise, and he thinks it's me.

Kath
The only thing she says about sally is "Question: If sally's the BW ... double lynch possible?"

Greenie
Sally's day 1 vote looked bandwagonish. Unwilling to vote for her on day 3 unless she shows up. Me & sally's row at the end of day 3 made her feel worse about us both. On day 4, she says sally's show of not making sense looks bad, and guesses sally is the cobbler. She's never seen an innocent sally behave like that but can't think of a reason for a wolf or the BW to do so.

wilwa
Would feel bad about voting for sally on day 3 because she'd been sick.

Pitch
A bit of banter on day 1 & day 4.

Nerwen
Inclined to believe Shasta was telling the truth about sally - he would've been silly to try to take her down if he hadn't known she wasn't Ferny.

If someone wants to go through my posts, feel free to do so, but I can sum them up here and say sally was one of my top suspects since day 1.

**

I'd say Greenie and Form look the worst - no one else (who's alive) really commented on my argument with sally, but they both suggested there was a baddie involved. Greenie pointed out sally wasn't making sense (which was true though) and agreed with me she could be the cobbler, while Form seemed certain one of us was a villain (but he suggested it was me). It would've been convenient for the wolves even if I had been lynched - they could've argued, "Well, maybe Agan was on to something then, how about we lynch sally now?" It would've given them the excuse to lynch her without appearing to know more about her.
Kath looks a bit better, but I could see her comment as evil, too (make up for Shasta's death etc). And I think wilwa, Pitch and Nerwen looked quite neutral (which is not to say they couldn't be wolves - or the cobbler - since we don't know how the wolves decided to react to sally).

[A Little Green]

I'd say Greenie and Form look the worst - no one else (who's alive) really commented on my argument with sally, but they both suggested there was a baddie involved.That's one weird argument. We look worse because we commented on a rather prominent and, you have to admit, strange thing taking place at the time, ie. Sally's absolute conviction of your furriness? I thought, and still think, it's a matter that merits some attention. It's a major point that who we now know was the BW purposefully drew so much attention to herself by insisting you are a wolf.

I don't like this silence. I know there are few of us left and all that, but it remains a fact that toDay is a really important one. I have other stuff to do today too but I'll be popping in and out until Deadline (I can afford to stay up late for once since it's Saturday).

There is another thing I don't like, and it's the fact that I have a nagging feeling that I've overlooked something important. Off to do some rereading and thinking to find out what that might be.

[Aganzir]

That's one weird argument. We look worse because we commented on a rather prominent and, you have to admit, strange thing taking place at the time, ie. Sally's absolute conviction of your furriness? I thought, and still think, it's a matter that merits some attention. It's a major point that who we now know was the BW purposefully drew so much attention to herself by insisting you are a wolf.
When it happened, I thought "Great, someone else finds her suspicious too!" but now that we know she was the BW, one can't help wondering if you had a more opportunistic reason to point out her behaviour... :rolleyes: Granted, I might be biased because I suspect you and Form anyway. :p

And if you want to judge me based on the fact that sally seemed sure I was a wolf, go ahead, but you're wasting your time.

[A Little Green]

When it happened, I thought "Great, someone else finds her suspicious too!" but now that we know she was the BW, one can't help wondering if you had a more opportunistic reason to point out her behaviour... Granted, I might be biased because I suspect you and Form anyway.

And if you want to judge me based on the fact that sally seemed sure I was a wolf, go ahead, but you're wasting your time.Twisting my words, honey. I never said that. I have no idea why Sally would have gone after you that hard, whatever your role and whatever she guessed about it - but it was so decidedly against any goal of hers that I can think of that there has to be a reason I've missed behind it. And that reason might contain information on your alignment, which is why I'm trying to figure it out. Does that make sense?

[Aganzir]

it was so decidedly against any goal of hers that I can think of that there has to be a reason I've missed behind it. And that reason might contain information on your alignment, which is why I'm trying to figure it out. Does that make sense?
No.
I doubt you'll find any reason even if you search all her posts with a magnifying glass. I think the most plausible explanation is that she seriously thought I was a wolf, and then it's up to you whether you trust her judgment or not.

[wilwarin538]

So the Agan-Sally thing. I get what Agan is saying about how a wolf may have wanted to draw attention to Sally's guilt, but also that whole thing was very strange and I'm surprised more people didn't really point that out at the time, so I'm not going to suspect Greenie or Form for just that reason. I also don't think that the way Sally went after Agan really gives us any information regarding Agan, because Sally didn't know who the wolves are any better than the rest of us, so her pesonal suspicions don't hold any extra weight.

So right now I'm still leaning towards Form being guilty (we can't keep thinking that the quiet people aren't as likely to be wolves, because there are still a lot of quiet people and there's no way they are all innocent) and his whole attitude is off. Pretending not to care is a pretty good way to go unnoticed. I feel pretty good about both Agan and Greenie. And I haven't payed enough attention to Pitch, Nerwen and Kath, I need to read over everything and actually form an opinion on them. I'll try to do that soon.

[Aganzir]

I don't like this quiet.

There are 7 of us alive. 3-4 (or 2-5 because Ferny counts as an innocent). The wolves know at least each other's identity, possibly even Ferny's. Ferny might know at least one wolf, but even likelier is that he knows one or more ordos - who he can happily try to lynch. And if the baddies have any idea whatsoever about each other, it only takes one ordo who votes another ordo and we lose the game. I'm not sure how likely that is, but it's the worst scenario.

Currently I'm feeling good about wilwa, and Pitch too (although to a slightly lesser degree). There's something going on in the Form/Greenie/Nerwen/Kath group, and I think it might well contain both wolves and Ferny. I'll try to get my thoughts about them organised in a bit.

[Formendacil]

I am aware that, chiefly because of a lack of evidence about me, regarding ANYTHING, I am shaping into a chief candidate for consideration today. This is fair enough, however, as has been noted already, toDay we cannot afford an innocent lynching, lest the village lose the game, and as an innocent, I've no real interest in being the "lynchpin" (pun definitely intended). :p

I would have been quite happen to die on the Wolves' fangs at some point prior to now, but apparently they are enjoying my suspicious silence far too much. Well, it can't be helped. Nerwen has, accurately enough, called me 'aggressively unhelpful.' Also, she's tired of me drawing attention to my absence...

I also don't care for the way he again draws attention to his general lack of involvement. This is getting absurd– I mean, for someone who clams to have been too busy and apathetic throughout the game to do anything at all productive, he's written some quite long posts, and always seems to have a pretty good handle on what's going on.

I admit to somewhat self-obsessing about me. However, the issue is less that I have no time to grasp what is going on in the game, and more that I have tended to have a single window of opportunity daily to get online. While long enough in itself, this window is not one where a lot of people are around discussing, so it's not one that has been liable to get me sucked into a discussion--the only exception (that I recall) was the day Shasta was dying...

When I told Boro I could play, about a week prior to the game start, I did have high hopes of being more involved, but a week makes a difference, and I may have overestimated my involvement. Still, I've done my best to give the bare minimum to the game (and to the village's victory), and I would have been somewhat happier if that had involved being a warm body for the Wolves to eat, but they have shrewdly left me alive. (Besides, who knows, it might have pointed at Agan's guilt if I turned up dead.)

As to the constant drawing attention to my own lack of involvement... call that self-punishment, of a sort, since I still have a (long outdated) mental image of being a "talks too much" player, and something of a self-defence. As Nerwen said...

Form just analyses himself...

...and again...

Rest of this long post is largely devoted to analysing himself again

Fair enough... I've been doing that. But is my analysis wrong?

Personally, I'm still feeling rather anti-Agan. I do still put stock in Shasta's mention of her with me (and, yes, I know this cuts both ways, but I happen to be well aware of my innocence), and she's been all kinds of suspicious, all game... but never tested.

Granted, this is a point-of-no-return for lynching innocents, but speaking a potential "innocent lynchee," I'm already aware of that.

[Aganzir]

Personally, I'm still feeling rather anti-Agan. I do still put stock in Shasta's mention of her with me (and, yes, I know this cuts both ways, but I happen to be well aware of my innocence), and she's been all kinds of suspicious, all game... but never tested.
Now it's a bit too late to test me - you should have voted for me on day 1, or day 2, or day 3... whenever I almost got lynched. :rolleyes: However, I seem to remember you never wanted to vote for me then: "I don't know enough about Agan, let's wait and see..." Were you perchance afraid Nog was the seer who had dreamed me Ferny? :Merisu: And you never brought up a single point against me before Shasta mentioned us together, but now I'm suddenly "all kinds of suspicious, all game". Sorry but I don't find that a sufficient reason to suspect someone on the day that's possibly the last. You remind me way too much of sally's "She's a wolf because I say so!" show.

Form looks fairly bad.

[Formendacil]

Now it's a bit too late to test me - you should have voted for me on day 1, or day 2, or day 3... whenever I almost got lynched. :rolleyes: However, I seem to remember you never wanted to vote for me then: "I don't know enough about Agan, let's wait and see..." Were you perchance afraid Nog was the seer who had dreamed me Ferny? :Merisu: And you never brought up a single point against me before Shasta mentioned us together, but now I'm suddenly "all kinds of suspicious, all game". Sorry but I don't find that a sufficient reason to suspect someone on the day that's possibly the last. You remind me way too much of sally's "She's a wolf because I say so!" show.

Suspicious all game doesn't mean that *I* found you suspicious all game... merely that you have aroused suspicions all game. And on Day 1, certainly, I didn't want to vote for you for that reason alone--Day 1 suspiciousness is, by itself, a flimsy thing. Regarding the whole "Nog is the Seer" business--I never bought that he was the seer, so I never had a suspicion of you on those grounds.

So, yes, you have only been suspicious enough to me in the last few Days. That does not mean there was never any suspicion of you.

However, I'll admit that it could just be that, looking suspicion and leaving too many trails, the wolves have left you alive. But I need another candidate then to vote for... and contrary to the assertion that I have been following everything closely this game, I really don't know who else to vote. Nerwen rubs me the wrong way, but that's just normal for me playing with her, and anyway she's the one with the long critical analysis of me--it'd be unsporting to vote for her just for that.

[Formendacil]

Well, I just lost an hour of deliberation--the lovely Nienna just texted that she's done her course early, so I'm off to meet her and do nauseatingly romantic things...

So... I guess I should vote.

++ Aganzir

Because while I am not sure it's the right thing to do, I feel better sticking to my guns, going down honourably, than about changing thoughts at this stage.

[Kath]

This is the only time toDay I have to be online and my friend is round so I'm going to do what I hate doing and vote and run.

++GREENIE

She struck me as suspicious yesterDay and I KNOW that's terrible reasoning.

[Aganzir]

Form if you're innocent, you've most likely lost the game for us.

[Aganzir]

(Most of this post was written before anyone had voted - I went to get some food and Form & Kath posted in the meanwhile.)

Speaking a bit more about Shasta's post where he said Form and me should be modfired... Which is more suspicious: being mentioned by a dying wolf, or reacting heavily to it & taking pains to paint the other person in a bad light, just so no one would connect you with the dead wolf?

I don't know what to think of Nerwen. She's been kind of... elusive the whole game. Her reasons for suspecting me haven't been too impressive (might be just because I know I'm innocent). However, now she's suspicious of Form, too... so I'm probably not voting for her today.

Greenie is something of an enigma too. I've been thinking her innocent pretty much the whole game which is, albeit not unprecedented, unusual because normally I always quarrel with her at some point. She's looked pretty genuine in general - but she voted for EW, and suggested either Eomer or me is probably a wolf (wrong), and I've been disagreeing with her more and more lately.

Kath has been under my radar mostly. She hasn't really done anything to raise my hackles (except vote for EW), but Shasta had a subtle way of defending her. Yesterday she wanted to vote neither Eomer nor Form, saying she found them both innocent. I don't think she and Form are fellows (she could have just come up with a reason to vote for me).

My thoughts aren't much clearer, except that I could vote for Form or Greenie today. I'd prefer Form if there's a chance to lynch him, but even Greenie would be way better than me because there's at least a possibility she's a baddie.

[Pitchwife]

Present and putting the eyebrows on the Greenalysis I've promised you. Give me about half an hour.

[Pitchwife]

D1
Agrees with Volo that BW would be more honest in her suspicions than wolves, having no knowledge of others' roles, hence hard to catch. Wants to discuss cobblers rather than BW, concerned about cobblers and wolves working together because of Ferny's spying abilities. Doesn't like Eomer's and Glirdan's votes, they're too easy. OK with Nog, bad feeling about me for thinking too much from the wolves' POV. Votes Glirdan, because his random vote is excellent wolf-cover. (All fair enough for D1; I disagreed with her concentration on cobblers over the BW at the time, but it was an attempt to broaden the discussion, in so far OK.)

D2
Feels better about me, doesn't like the Aganwagon, is torn about Agan herself but thinks we have better options. Answers me about holes in Nog's arguments against Agan, Nog just doesn't look wolvish. Questions Eomer's and Form's votes: why does entertaining trump useful, and both too easy. We shouldn't focus on the BW, but it's OK to discuss whom the wolves might have targeted. Doesn't think Nog looked Seer-like. No vote. (No strong opinions or suspicions on anybody, but still good enough, I think.)

D3
Questions Form's quietness and vote. Paranoid that Form, Kath and Eomer could be wolves together. Questions Agan's reason to vote Volo 'for being weird', when he always is, then agrees she had a pretty sensible reason, i.e. that Volo suspected Agan for not suspecting Greenie.
A list: pretty much undecided, confused or no idea about most people; not surprised if Eomer is a wolf; both pro and con wolf points about Kath, namely she voted on principles instead of suspicion, which she could have done both as an innocent and as a wolf (she wavers a lot on this); slightly worried by Lottie but has nothing on her; sally's D1 vote not fabulous; feeling OK with Shasta; wilwa seems genuine.
Analyses TEW: his flip-flopping not evil in itself, but doesn't like his dropping earlier suspicions without explanation; not sure a wolf-TEW would be so openly inconsistent.
Could vote Eomer or TEW, Agan innocent, Shasta and Kath seem genuine but she's not certain, at a loss with Zil; quarrel between Agan and sally makes her feel worse about both; votes TEW in spite of his earlier doubts: his inconsistency too off to be genuine, and he's an unhelpful submarine.
(One thing I noticed about her that Day is the amount of uncertainty, flipflopping and maybe-maybe not in most of her posts. Could be a clueless ordo, could also be a wolf avoiding to take a clear stance or more likely a cobbler who doesn't yet know whose side to take. Her tone, however, doesn't really ring false in my ears.
About the vote - what I said about Lottie yesterDay also applies to Greenie, and as we know now Lottie was innocent, it makes me wonder whether Greenie may be, too, so I wouldn't condemn her on that alone.)

D4
Shasta: intends to vote him 'unless something even more drastic turns up', because it's a clear lead from the Seer, but we shouldn't talk about him all Day. sally's Agan-crusade not making sense; guesses sally is Ferny and has found Agan innocent, but not sure if that makes sense; sally's behaviour untypical for her innocent self and too attention-seeking for a wolf or BW.
Votes Shasta.
(Shasta and the sally-Agan thing were the big topics of the Day, and while everybody discussed the former, few people commented on the latter, so that would speak in her favour.)

D5
Doesn't get Agan's point that Shasta's comment linking himself and Nerwen was weird or suspicious. (I don't quite, either.) Still musing what made sally go so heavily after Agan. Agrees with Eomer to leave Lottie alone because TEW dreamed her innocent. Her intuition says to vote someone who isn't considered otherwise, e.g. Nerwen or wilwa, but she won't, having nothing on Nerwen and thinking wilwa innocent. (An odd remark - if she had no real suspicion of either, where did that intuition come from?)
Her big point yesterDay was that Shasta suspected both Agan and Eomer a lot but never voted either; this could be wolf-on-wolf, though probably not with both, hence maybe with neither. Shasta's connection to Agan looks worse, though Agan looks more innocent otherwise; Eomer more likely a wolf, more likely to be lynched, and something hasn't been right with him all the game, therefore she votes him. (Note how she first brings up this point against Agan and Eomer, then immediately questions it, but ends up voting Eomer nevertheless 'because he's more likely to be lynched' - rather bandwagony. I'm worried by how immediately Form latched onto this point, but that's rather a point against Form than against Greenie herself.)

Conclusion so far: Hard to say. Again, what most hits my eye is a lot of uncertainty and then jumping to conclusions in the thoughts leading up to her votes on D3 and D5 (at least it looks to me that way). If she's a confuzzled ordo I can totally sympathize with that, though it could of course be a mask... Still I have to say she sounds honest to me.
What mainly stands out from this is how she was mostly unsuspicious of Agan on D1 and 2, convinced of her innocence on D3, took her side against sally on D4, suddenly started suspecting her on D5 but still thought her more innocent than Eomer. If Agan should be a wolf, I could imagine Greenie as her packmate doing some passing wolf-on-wolf to cover that she was actually focussed on lynching Eomer.

[Aganzir]

One thing I noticed about her that Day is the amount of uncertainty, flipflopping and maybe-maybe not in most of her posts. Could be a clueless ordo, could also be a wolf avoiding to take a clear stance or more likely a cobbler who doesn't yet know whose side to take.
To be fair, I think she's always a bit like that, regardless of her role (flip-flopping clearly comes from her mother's side of the family since Nog isn't known for it :p). As for cobbler, I think that's possible, but I'd expect the cobbler to have gone heavily after someone they knew was innocent... Although that probably depends on the cobbler.

I don't quite, either.
The comment rubbed me the wrong way. There was something too self-conscious about it, but I wouldn't be so silly as to vote for Nerwen for that reason alone.

I'm worried by how immediately Form latched onto this point, but that's rather a point against Form than against Greenie herself.
Me too - and it's not the first time in this game that Form has latched to a seemingly minor point.

Now I'm somewhat worried about almost everyone seeming to be somewhat suspicious of Form... Are we really onto something there, or are the wolves trying to get us to lynch an innocent him? Although it might even be worth it to lynch a suspected fellow(/cobbler) in order to look better yourself...

[Pitchwife]

Oops, I totally failed to notice Form and Kath had voted before my first post.:eek:

I came out of yesterDay thinking loads of Agan's innocence for her attempt to save Eombadil of the Yellow Boots (and wishing I'd had sense enough not to ruin it), let's see whether that holds. At the time of her vote, the tally was Eomer 3 votes, me and Agan herself 1 each, with Eomer, me and Kath still to vote. Both Eomer and Agan had been suspected by Greenie and Form. Eomer thought Agan innocent and was unlikely to vote her (unless forced to in self-defense), but if both Kath and me had voted Agan, she could still have ended up being tied with Eomer and lynched by coin flip (assuming Agan and Kath aren't wolves together). Where Kath's vote would go seemed pretty uncertain, and I had expressly said that I was still trying to figure Agan out. In this situation, Eomer was her natural ally - hence my paranoia before DL that one of them was manipulating the other (and possibly me and Kath too) to sacrifice Form and save themselves; and Agan wouldn't have wanted to put him into a position where he might turn against her to save himself, with the danger of me and Kath following suit.
The problem is, all this equally applies to an innocent Agan. All that's conclusive is that if Agan's a wolf, Kath can't be and vice versa, for in this case Agan could have counted on Kath to save her in any case and would have had no reason not to simply vote Eomer (except that saving an innocent would make her look good, but I think it's a little late in the game for that).

[Aganzir]

I came out of yesterDay thinking loads of Agan's innocence for her attempt to save Eombadil of the Yellow Boots
That's exactly the reason I wanted to save him (or, part of it). When I reread his posts yesterday, the one comment that had earlier struck me as Wightish (about leaving Nog for Tom and ignoring him until that) made me stop and think, "it would really make the most sense for the (dead) BW - or Tom himself to say so." That combined with the fact that three people seemed to want to lynch us both, and suddenly he didn't look half so bad anymore... Although I wasn't sure of it and was afraid I was reading too much into it.

[Pitchwife]

Now I'm somewhat worried about almost everyone seeming to be somewhat suspicious of Form... Are we really onto something there, or are the wolves trying to get us to lynch an innocent him? Although it might even be worth it to lynch a suspected fellow(/cobbler) in order to look better yourself...
Hm, I don't know. If we lynch a wolf toDay, it'll be 1 wolf + Ferny against 2 ordos toMorrow; if we lynch Ferny, it's 2 wolves vs 2 ordos. Either way, there's still a chance for a village win by coin-flip, if the 2 ordos vote together for the wolf (not that this is very likely to happen, the way things are looking). If we lynch an ordo toDay, on the other hand, it's curtains for the village. I wouldn't want to jeopardize that, if I were a wolf.

[Aganzir]

Hm, I don't know. If we lynch a wolf toDay, it'll be 1 wolf + Ferny against 2 ordos toMorrow; if we lynch Ferny, it's 2 wolves vs 2 ordos. Either way, there's still a chance for a village win by coin-flip, if the 2 ordos vote together for the wolf (not that this is very likely to happen, the way things are looking). If we lynch an ordo toDay, on the other hand, it's curtains for the village. I wouldn't want to jeopardize that, if I were a wolf.
No - if we lynch a wolf, it'll be 1 wolf + Ferny against 3 ordos; if Ferny, 2 wolves against 3 ordos (so they'd just have to get an ordo to vote for another ordo, just like today) - while if we lynch an ordo, we only stand a chance if the wolves kill the cobbler.

So it would be better for them to lynch an ordo, but if a wolf is under heavy suspicion, I'd say it's worth it to lynch them - after all, it'd only mean one extra day of survival to the remaining wolf who'd then (probably) look a lot better.

However, the innocents are still a majority in the village... So Form being suspected by many doesn't yet make him an ordo.

[Aganzir]

Anyway I might as well vote now.

++Formendacil

For the simple reason that I suspect him the most. If he's innocent it doesn't matter anymore, the wolves can choose if they want to lynch him or me... But I'm hopeful.

[Aganzir]

Okay Greenie just called to let us know that her computer isn't working at all. She said she'll call me again later (about 15 minutes before the deadline) and tell who she'll vote.

Right now it's
Form - Agan
Kath - Greenie
Agan - Form

Left: Greenie, Nerwen, Pitch, wilwa

Is anyone else but Pitch here?

[Pitchwife]

Ah, right, I miscalculated. So the situation isn't quite as bleak as I thought, but still bleak enough.

That's exactly the reason I wanted to save him (or, part of it). When I reread his posts yesterday, the one comment that had earlier struck me as Wightish (about leaving Nog for Tom and ignoring him until that) made me stop and think, "it would really make the most sense for the (dead) BW - or Tom himself to say so." That combined with the fact that three people seemed to want to lynch us both, and suddenly he didn't look half so bad anymore... Although I wasn't sure of it and was afraid I was reading too much into it.
Truth to be told, he looked better to me too, and my vote of him was entirely born out of panic that the two of you were conspiring to sacrifice an innocent Form (I could have voted you instead, as I felt you'd been buttering me up a bit too much, but that might not have saved Form). If I hadn't been pressed for time and had considered his exchange with Shasta on Day 4 some more, things would very probably have gone otherwise - like with Zil, the bad temper in Shasta's replies to him looked to genuine for wolf-on-wolf.
Which makes me frown at Nerwen's explanation of her vote in her first post toDay, and she doesn't look too shiny all in all from yesterDay - first discarding Lottie's Alpha-theory which suggested Eomer and me as likeliest wolves, then still picking Eomer from the two of us, then agreeing with Greenie's point against you and Eomer, and again picking Eomer, like she was using whatever got thrown her way to justify voting him.

[A Little Green]

Okay Greenie just called to let us know that her computer isn't working at all.An update: it is, after all. ;) Now off to read what has happened while I was away, apparently not all that much - but still this situation is rather frustrating, I was supposed to have four hours before DL, I end up having half an hour. Me and a computer, the worst match ever. :rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

my vote of him was entirely born out of panic that the two of you were conspiring to sacrifice an innocent Form
Awww, poor Pitch! :D
(I have a feeling I say this quite often these days.)

I felt you'd been buttering me up a bit too much
Hey I don't think I've been buttering you up! :p At least, I should have no reason to do so.

Which makes me frown at Nerwen's explanation of her vote in her first post toDay, and she doesn't look too shiny all in all from yesterDay - first discarding Lottie's Alpha-theory which suggested Eomer and me as likeliest wolves, then still picking Eomer from the two of us, then agreeing with Greenie's point against you and Eomer, and again picking Eomer, like she was using whatever got thrown her way to justify voting him.
To be honest, I don't think Lottie's Alpha theory was worth much - just because we don't know if Shasta was bluffing.
I don't know about Nerwen though... I think the most suspicious thing she did yesterday was joining the "either Eomer or Agan is probably a wolf" group.

[Pitchwife]

Form the most suspicious? Really? I'm actually inclined to think his self-esteem wouldn't allow him to muddle through like this if he's a wolf. And do we have no other options? Or could it be that you suddenly don't care that much anymore about who gets lynched?

Really, where is everybody else? I'll be seriously cross if you leave me to botch this all on my own.:rolleyes:

EDIT: x-ed with Greenie and Agan.

[Pitchwife]

Awww, poor Pitch!
(I have a feeling I say this quite often these days.)

I felt you'd been buttering me up a bit too much
Hey I don't think I've been buttering you up!
This.

[Aganzir]

Form the most suspicious? Really? I'm actually inclined to think his self-esteem wouldn't allow him to muddle through like this if he's a wolf. And do we have no other options? Or could it be that you suddenly don't care that much anymore about who gets lynched?

Really, where is everybody else? I'll be seriously cross if you leave me to botch this all on my own.:rolleyes:
Yes I'm the most suspicious of him at the moment. I don't care how much he's been posting and how negligent he's appeared - I find it quite hard to believe he'd suspect someone with so flimsy reasons if he was innocent. See what I said of him in 573. And what do you mean by saying I don't care? He voted for an innocent - if he's innocent himself, it simply doesn't matter anymore. And I rather go for my top suspect than my second or third best alternative...

[Aganzir]

This.
You know what's buttering up? "I don't want to vote for Pitch because I think he looks the most innocent of all and his intelligence and leadership may bring us yet to a great victory!" Expressing sympathy isn't the same. At least for me. :p

[Aganzir]

I suddenly got really afraid of Pitch...

[Pitchwife]

You know what's buttering up? "I don't want to vote for Pitch because I think he looks the most innocent of all and his intelligence and leadership may bring us yet to a great victory!"
Yeah, like that would be sooo believable in this game!:D

Anybody else going to vote?

[A Little Green]

I'm not entirely convinced by this Form-wagon, or the beginnings of it. Granted, he's been strange, but it doesn't look too much like wolvish strange to me if you know what I mean. I know it's a leaking argument but I would think a wolf would make more of an effort. But then again, his jump on Agan does look evil. But then again, so does Agan's sudden Now I'm somewhat worried about almost everyone seeming to be somewhat suspicious of Form... Are we really onto something there, or are the wolves trying to get us to lynch an innocent him?Almost like a Ferny trying to ask for the wolves' opinion on lynching Form, or a wolf washing her hands in advance (or even signalling to Ferny) - or then she is just an ordo having doubts about a lynch she is orchestrating, but the thing is, I don't like the tone of that line. Agh. I don't know about Agan.

Kath has struck me as pretty genuine too, though at this point I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out to be evil after all - I really feel like I'm being cheated royally, and Kath is really capable of that. Wilwa seems genuine too, and of her innocence I'm pretty sure - or, as sure as is possible.

Nerwen is a headache, I don't really have an argument for her innocence nor against it. Pitchwife is another such, I'd have tried for a closer look at these two but didn't have the time (thanks computer).

And I have an annoying feeling that our wolves are among these last four, with possibly even a Ferny-Agan leading the village and being at the center of things while the wolves slip by. But then again, I loathe voting without arguments and I truly have none on the famous last four.


EDIT: x-ed with a bunch

[Aganzir]

Yeah, like that would be sooo believable in this game!:D

Anybody else going to vote?
I am good at buttering up. Only now I'm afraid it's actually worked the other way round... Just because of how you reacted to my vote. Aieee! Argh I don't know.

Greenie, if you're innocent, vote for Form. Pitch, if you're innocent, vote for Greenie or Form. If you vote for me, we most likely lose.

Where are Nerwen & wilwa?

[A Little Green]

Greenie, if you're innocent, vote for Form. Pitch, if you're innocent, vote for Greenie or Form. If you vote for me, we most likely lose.

Where are Nerwen & wilwa?In answer to the first: you would say the same as a wolf, and I can't know if you are one or not. As for the second - that is a really good question.

[Aganzir]

Granted, he's been strange, but it doesn't look too much like wolvish strange to me if you know what I mean. I know it's a leaking argument but I would think a wolf would make more of an effort. But then again, his jump on Agan does look evil. But then again, so does Agan's sudden Almost like a Ferny trying to ask for the wolves' opinion on lynching Form, or a wolf washing her hands in advance (or even signalling to Ferny) - or then she is just an ordo having doubts about a lynch she is orchestrating
WHY would an innocent suspect someone because they were MENTIONED in the same post by a dying wolf? Why?

I am having doubts. I am not convinced of Form's guilt. But he looks more evil than the rest of you.

[Pitchwife]

I suddenly got really afraid of Pitch...
Aaw, poor Agan! (Sorry, just couldn't resist.)

Seriously, don't. I think after all I'll rather be fooled by a wolf who fought a good fight than a sub.

++Form

[Aganzir]

In answer to the first: you would say the same as a wolf, and I can't know if you are one or not. As for the second - that is a really good question.
Yes I probably would, but this time I'm actually innocent.

[Aganzir]

Pitch, if you're a wolf, I'm going to kill you after the game! :p

[A Little Green]

Why is it so quiet? Anyway, it's bound to be Form or Agan anyway since spreading the votes at this point and in this small a village would make no sense. I don't know - Agan looks both more innocent and more evil than Form. Either of them could be bad, but I doubt both are.


EDIT: x-ed with lots again

[Aganzir]

Form - Agan
Kath - Greenie
Agan - Form
Pitch - Form 2

Left: Greenie, Nerwen, wilwa

[Pitchwife]

For the record, I don't think Greenie's a wolf. Not really.

[A Little Green]

So it's Form 2, Agan 1, Greenie 1? Or what?

[Aganzir]

Why is it so quiet? Anyway, it's bound to be Form or Agan anyway since spreading the votes at this point and in this small a village would make no sense. I don't know - Agan looks both more innocent and more evil than Form. Either of them could be bad, but I doubt both are.
Guess what I'd do if it was between Form and you and I couldn't decide? Vote for the one I'd less rather lose to if they are a wolf... :p :D

[A Little Green]

Agh. Since I can't decide otherwise,

++Form

for lack of effort.


EDIT: x-ed with Agan, who seemed to be thinking along the same lines..

[Aganzir]

Fingers crossed...

[Aganzir]

EDIT: x-ed with Agan, who seemed to be thinking along the same lines..
Great minds think alike. ;)

[Boromir88]

Deadline. No more posting.

Fea to follow with the narration and role. Form be lynched.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Click me (http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7586079/)!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Wolvsies, Agan and Greenie, have won with the assistance of their cobbler, Vanilwa-muffin.

Their final kill was Kath. Victory, theeeeeeyeyeyeyeyeyeyey name is wolves!

[satansaloser2005]

I told thee so. I told thee so!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Y'all can post now.

[Aganzir]

:smokin:

Yay!

When Pitch started questioning my vote, I thought I had screwed up - patience has never been one of my virtues. I was seriously thinking either Pitch or Nerwen had to be the cobbler (and before that I was convinced it was Inzil) - actually we almost killed wilwa two nights ago. :o

I find it awfully cute wilwa & Glirdan were the cobblers and voted for each other on day 1.

For those of you who talked about the Alpha thingy - I was Alpha Female Scar, Greenie was Alpha Female Mufasa, and Shasta Alpha Male Simba. When you take me & Greenie's first three posts on day 1 and Shasta's first three on day 2, the first letters form the word LION KINGS. This in case only one of survived and had to prove their identity to the cobbler on the last day.

Also... We did have a code language (just in case the BW would stun one of us - we didn't want to lose communication entirely). What this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=642425&postcount=444) post basically says is, "I think sally should die tonight." (couldn't resist :p) However, it wasn't as effective as it could've been - I kept saying, "Nogrod is a gifted, let's lynch him" but then I got stunned and couldn't tell my fellows that I had realised he was totally Butterbur.

Anyway thanks for modding & the lovely narrations, Boro & Fea! I really enjoyed playing (even if I got too little sleep every other night). :-p

[wilwarin538]

For realz????

YAY!!!!!!!!! :D

Sorry I didn't come on again, I ended up having to work longer than I originally planned, and there was no way for me to come on. But this is a fabulous thing to come back to!

I spied on Greenie last Night, but I really didn't think Agan was a wolf, this comes as a surprise to me. (I had spied Shasta the Night before he died).

Glirdan, oh my I felt awful. I wanted to spy him Night 1 but Mr Mod told me I didn't get to start spying until Night 2, and than during the first day I didn't think it could be Glirdan cause I thought that was too obvious, so I went along with him being lynched (and felt terrible).

This was a stressful game for me because I've been Cobbler once before and epicly failed, so basically this time I just wanted to last long enough to be useful more at the end. And then I ended up not being here at the end. :rolleyes:

Fun game! Thanks Boro (and Fea)! <3

[Aganzir]

Also, I was already going to sleep but remembered this!
edit: x'ed with a Greenie and 2 Agans...I want tea now...
Guess what was my code for "I think X is the cobbler"? The person whose name I've bolded last before saying I want tea! :D Wilwa you're a psychic. :p

[Nerwen]

ARRRGH! My internet connection died last night!:(

Oh, well, at least I was right in suspecting Agan all along.:rolleyes:

But well-played, Wilwa! I'd come to the conclusion you were innocent and Form was Ferny.

[Loslote]

1. *facepalm**facepalm**facepalm*

2. Wow, you wolves were orginized. :eek:

3. When Sallycakes told me who the baddies were after I died, she started with

"Agan"

and I thought "Again? What does she mean by again? I'm confused!" and then after about a minute I thought "wait...she doesn't mean...Agan's a wolf? Noooooo...yes? Whaaaaa?" And then Greenie and Vanilwuffin were total surprises, too, but since I hadn't thought as much about them, it wasn't so shocking. :p

[Inziladun]

*note to self: if Agan's not coming after me, she's probably evil*. :rolleyes:

Nice job, wolves and Ferny! Looking over things after I was taken out, I started second-guessing Agan a bit, but Greenie mostly looked good except for her vote for TEW. I was totally blindsided by Wilwa's cobblerism. I had Pitch down as the likely Ferny.

Oh, well. At least I only killed one of the Gifteds, and I wasn't fooled by Shasta. Being an annoyance to the wolves and forcing them to Night-kill you is a great honor for an ordo. :p

My last Day alive, I'd thought to try and counter what Shasta was saying about wanting to give the BW a hint about Tom. I thought if I challenged Shasta on that, maybe I could fool the wolves, and more importantly, the BW, into thinking I was Tom, leaving the real one able to take out the BW.
It made no difference in the end, but I was pleased to see Tom alive at the end of my last Night.

Great game concept and execution from Boro, and Fea's efforts on the narrations were highly original.

[Lhunardawen]

It was fun browsing quickly through this game every chance I get. Fea and Boro, great job on the modding, and I thought the concept of the game is interesting. Congrats, wolvsies!

Pitch, if you're a wolf, I'm going to kill you after the game! :p
Agan, you are sooo evil. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

*throws rocks at Agan*

[Aganzir]

Agan, you are sooo evil. :p
I know! I was sorry I had to maintain an innocent facade all through the last day, but I couldn't afford to look wolfish just in case Form was the cobbler or we made a major fail and killed them in the night!

*throws rocks at Agan*
Aww! :D Eomer, I think you're twisted (and I might have said as much to my fellows on night 1 when we talked about who we'd like to kill/leave alive) - you also look always pretty darn suspicious yourself, whatever your role. I'm convinced you have a wolf's frame of mind.
And I had no idea Eomer was Tom. I didn't want to lynch him because I was worried it would point at me in (the unlikely) case he was Ferny. I thought it was Lottie. :p

[satansaloser2005]

*note to self: if Agan's not coming after me, she's probably evil.*.

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[A Little Green]

Hehe. :smokin: In all fairness, though, I don't think it would even have been possible to lose with this pack. We did have our share of bad luck too, with the two no-kill Nights and the Seer dreaming one of us - but luckily the village killed off all the Gifted to balance things! :D

[wilwarin538]

Guess what was my code for "I think X is the cobbler"? The person whose name I've bolded last before saying I want tea! :D Wilwa you're a psychic. :p

Haha, that is fantastic! :D

[A Little Green]

So many thanks to our lovely mods, the brave village, the sweet Canadian Cobblers, and most of all my gorgeous packmates. Also, I find it amusing that the last post in the actual game was a wolf quoting another and saying "Great minds think alike". :p

[Boromir88]

Thank you everyone for playing and sticking it through after the first few days of confusion from the Barrow-wight role. I think it worked out in the end and there's probably some things about the role that could have been better. Certainly I knew I put sally in a very difficult situation to win, but thought she'd have fun with it. You were doing very well dear until that weasle Shasta decided to give you up as he was going down. However, that was a master play by the wolves since you'd been giving them fits early.

I loved the back and forth posting between the wolves in this, it was hilarious being behind the scenes and seeing them work.

NIGHT 1:

Seer- Lottie

NIGHT 2:

BW- Eomer (hehe she stunned ole Tom the first night :p)
Ferney- Nogrod
Seer- Volo
Ranger- I wrote down the choices, but somehow can't find the paper, but I want to say it was either Nog or wilwa
Wolves- sally (and they find the wight!)

NIGHT 3:

BW- Agan
(This was a funny night and excellent choice by sally. The previous night Agan sent me wolf ramblings that she wanted to kill Volo, but would go with either Greenie's preference of sally or Shasta's for Nogrod. So she went with Sally Night 2, as I giggled at thinking, Volo would have been the best choice. Then she wanted to tell her pack that she thought Nogrod was Butterbur. However being stunned all night she couldn't, and Greenie was I believe gone for most of the day. So, poor Shasta had to make the choice himself and he went with Butterbur! :D)
Ferney- Shasta (Wilwa discovered Shasta same night the seer did, which what then is Ferney supposed to do!?)
Seer- Shasta
Wolves- Nogrod
Bombadil- I want to say either Nerwen or Nogrod.

NIGHT 4:

BW- Wilwa (So after stopping one of their kills, stunning one of them, sally proceeds to stun Ferney! She was just a wolf wrecking ball :p)
Wolves- No kill from Butterbur and this was probably one of the turning points, because with no kill Elfie would have had a free dream, but village lynches him instead. I was sitting back thinking it'd be great if Elfie revealed and then Wilwa, who also knew Shasta was a wolf would do some cobbler countering and create a bunch of havoc. And thought with a "free dream" in the night, Elfie probably could have revealed and been believed, however I didn't think either about the Wight still being around, and who knows what sally would have done with the known seer having a free dream since the wolves wouldn't be able to kill.
Bombadil- Greenie

NIGHT 5:
BW- Inzil
Ferney- Nerwen
Bombadil- sally (following the words of a dying confessed wolf)
Wolves- Inzil (I think the PM I got from Greenie was something like..."we want to make a delicious mess of him all the way to dawn)

Night 6:
Ferney- Greenie
Wolves- Lottie

Night 7:

Wolves- Kath

At this point even if the count was technically 2 wolves to 3 innocents. Ferney was one of the innocents, and wilwa had spied on Greenie the previous night, so with the wolves kill of an innocent. It was basically game set match, and Fea being the most awesome and understanding co-mod brought to my attention unless wilwa was completely incompentent in that situation it was game over and no point to drag it out for what essentially would be..."Hey I'm Ferney, I know Greenie's a wolf...who do we kill?"

I very much enjoyed watching this game, I think it went even better than my first game of d-list superheroes. So again thank you all, the characters and personalities made it great to watch. The wolves had gotten off to a few bumps and some minor setbacks. I thought eventually it was going to come back to bite 'em, but they avoided complete disaster.

As for some of the narrations with the "Alpha wolves," I usually took a few things from the wolves messages to use in the narrations, but avoided using anything that would possibly point to them. The wolves as I recall, were Alpha wolf Scar (Agan), Alpha wolf Simba (Greenie), and Alpha wolf Mufasa (Shasta). Or if they had any special requests on how to kill anyone, like making a tasty mess of Inzil.

Last and great thanks to Fea for doing the lynches and videos too! That is more than I could have asked for. Sadly, as you know I can't watch the finale duet until Monday but I'm sure it'll be the greatest ending in recent memory.

[Nogrod]

Congrats to the wolves!

I can only comfort myself with the following (I realised I had Boro's answer to my PM to him when I died in my PM storage - including my whole PM as a quote - so I can send a part of it here...).

On D1 I was pretty happy with my seer impersonation - hoping to draw both the wolves and the seer to me, but it looked bad in the beginning of D2 as they went for the BW at Night - and I felt I was near the chopping block for D2. But alas, the wolves never really made the crusade I thought they would make (weell, Shasta tried...) - and which would have been easyish to see... I was at some stage thinking about revealing if it got to that, but I kind of disliked the idea as my powers would then have been gone - and it would have ended in me playing to the very end in a situation I had the confidence of the villagers to make a difference (a lot of work) and the pressure of real-life work conflicting each other... as a known Butterbur the wolves wouldn't like to kill me as that would kick back on them with a kill lost - so I'd live to the last Day.

But as I saw there was no lynching mob coming my way (even if Shasta-wolf tried it), I did relax and kept on not allowing to say I was wrong with Aganzir on D1 - even if I felt the pressure to think so (feeling ever more confident she was a wolf and not the cobbler - which suited nicely to the new landscape on D2). This nice thought of a seer saying X is a cobbler when he has dreamt her a wolf was just too good to throw away... So I had to keep up the seer-thing not to reveal to the wolves I was Butterbur willing them to attack me... even if I was losing confidence with the plan hour by hour.

But it worked in the end!

Heh, right off the bat... the wolves are Shasta, Aganzir and... one of Sally, Inzil, EW... or possibly Greenie or Pitch? Okay - that's like half the population...:cool::rolleyes:

Extra-kudos to Boro and Fea for the fun game; nice concept and great videos!

Heh, we were quite bad, village. Let's pull our act together the next time... and for God's sake let's stop lynching our gifteds... :)

[Pitchwife]

Don't say It, Agan. Just don't, OK? Thanks.

And *facepalmheaddeskheaddeskheaddesk*
Can't believe I got sooo close to getting it right on the last Day - I realized that if Agan was a wolf, Greenie was her only possible packmate, and in this case wilwa the most likely cobbler (but I'd felt pretty good about her early on and somehow didn't get around to do an update check on her; not sure that would have told me much, though). Only that was a real big If, and both of you wolves put up such a convincing act. Still, after Agan's sort of careless vote for Form an hour before DL I came within a hair's breadth of voting either of you just to save him once more, but for a last minute Kierkegaardian leap of faith in the wrong direction. So much for being a gentleman.:rolleyes:
Kudos to Shasta for that Day 2 frame attempt which everybody but TEW thought would be too risky for a wolf to try; revealing sallyWight was a clever move too, discrediting her accusation of Agan and making us look for the wrong reason behind it. (Yes, sally, I know, if only we'd listened to you... but then you'd probably have looked good enough to survive and kill us yourself in the endgame, right?:p)

My apologies to Zil, Eomer and Form. Zil I was completely wrong about, sorry. Between Eomer and Form, it wouldn't really have mattered on Day 5, as both were innocent... It's a small comfort that my feeling of some manipulation going on then was correct after all, but I got the manipulator and the manipulated all wrong. Form, you were on the right track all the time even though you had so little time to play, kudos!
(By the way, I'm not surprised so many people thought I was Ferny, I know I did quite a bit of unintentional cobblering this game, alas.:o)
Kath, that was a great recovery after the Seer lynch, voting for Greeniewolf on the last two Days!
Nerwen, a pity you couldn't make it for the last DL, as you too had the right nose; but if you thought Form was Ferny, I'm not sure it would have made a big difference.

Volo and TEW, too bad both of you got lynched so early - especially TEW, who got us the only wolf we lynched and left good hints to your dreams in those few posts; nice Seering there!
Nog, pity you got killed so soon and we didn't use the advantage of the following kill-less Night any better.

Boro, interesting game design, and I think it was over all well balanced - even with Harry Glirdyleaf lynched on Day 1, the village managed to lose it mainly on our own folly. Eombadil probably had it the hardest, not being able to reveal under any circumstances, but then I don't know if he'd have been believed anyway. Thanks for the modding, and thanks to Fea for the hilarious narrations (it's a bit sad though that TEWieSeer didn't get one, I think he deserved it *nudge*).

Fun game, everybody!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

the most awesome and understanding co-mod brought to my attention unless wilwa was completely incompentent in that situation it was game over and no point to drag it out for what essentially would be..."Hey I'm Ferney, I know Greenie's a wolf...who do we kill?"

Haha yes. For the record, I did bring to B's attention that I was pretty sure Vanilwuffinazu was competent enough as cobbler to vote for the person her known wolf told her to vote for. You're welcome for my vote of confidence, Nilly. :)

it's a bit sad though that TEWieSeer didn't get one, I think he deserved it *nudge*

Ahh, I know!!!!! I could... post my master's thesis? Since that's totally what I was working on when B forbade me from narrating. He rightly assumed I'd lose my focus and miss my deadline.

TEWie, do you have a narration preference? I take requests. :)

[wilwarin538]

Haha yes. For the record, I did bring to B's attention that I was pretty sure Vanilwuffinazu was competent enough as cobbler to vote for the person her known wolf told her to vote for. You're welcome for my vote of confidence, Nilly. :)


Haha, thanks Timmy ;)! Though there is a small part of me that wanted to come on the next Day and be all like "Surprise! You all thought I was shiny, but I'm not, mwhahaha, now me and my wolfies will eat you!" cause that would have been cool, but coming on to find that we won while I was away was pretty awesome too! :D

(and I totally want to read your master's thesis if it's finished and if I'm permitted)

[The Elf-warrior]

Fea, I'd like a narration in picture.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

(and I totally want to read your master's thesis if it's finished and if I'm permitted)

I'll send it to you as soon as my faculty superhero says, "You're done! It's awesome!" instead of, "You're awesome! Here's more changes to fix the problems!" (Which should be within the next four weeks, or I won't be graduating on time.)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Seriously though, I had a lot of fun in this game. Funny how I got lynched; I can't see how I was more suspicious than anyone else (except perhaps Aganzir). I'll never be able to shake off Werewolf VII, I suppose. :cool:

I was disappointed, somewhat, that I couldn't catch Sally the Wight myself. My first guess was Nerwen, my second was Green - I was so sure that day that Boro was playing a joke by giving Greenie the role just for her name. :D

Loved the storyline in this game.

[Lhunardawen]

I'll never be able to shake off Werewolf VII, I suppose. :cool:

True that. :mad:

:p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

When is the Lhunatic coming back to play, so I can get her lynched again?

[Lhunardawen]

When is the Lhunatic coming back to play, so I can get her lynched again?

Likely not anytime soon. Her brain does not seem to be capable of handling a Werewolf game anymore. :o

[Nerwen]

When is the Lhunatic coming back to play, so I can get her lynched again?
Argh! I knew I'd left something out of the names list!

[satansaloser2005]

Ahem. Again, I told you flipping so. *is smug* I was, of course, playing on the side of the village. I mean yeah, I'd have to kill you all eventually, but I knew my future was grim, and not only was there no way for me to win if the wolves did (as they'd all know each other, blah blah), I really was pulling for the village. That and the fact that the wolves tried to KILL ME the first Night. How very dare you. >.<

Agan, you sultry minx, I have no idea how, but I knew you were a wolf from the start. It was part your plan, part your attitude, and part gut. I left Day One and was thoroughly hoping you'd get Fenris'd (with love, dear), but you survived! Typical! And then after you lot tried to kill me and you were on my like me on a tin of black olives, I knew it knew it. But I couldn't just come out and say, "See how I said the wolves would go after the BW? She's doing it!" I was afraid that if I put up a really good case against you my Wightness would show through, so I just had to stubbornly stick to it and hope they listened eventually. :/

Eomer, you....gah, you! I was so sure you were a cobbler, which is why I froze you on my first Night. When I found out I was dead and I heard who Tom was I'm pretty sure I freaked epically, as it was a genuine surprise that you were Tom and not some sort of evil thing. That being said, I'm sorry (yet amused) that you got lynched. This was just not a good game to be a gifted it seems. :eek:

To the Canadian desserts, you were splendid. Glirdan didn't get to do much, being killed so early, but you served a cobbler's true purpose: to die in place of your pack. Kudos to you, sir. And Vanilwa performed quite well as far as I'm concerned. Surprisingly, she was one of my candidates for dear Tom, which was part of the reason I froze her; I figured she was either Tom or she was evil, and either way she needed to be incapacitated. Beautiful job, my dears!

Shasta, you're a jerk. That is all. <3

Lottiepop had me convinced fairly early on that she was innocent, but I really was wondering why she hadn't been killed somehow. I threw around the possibility of Tom for all of about five seconds but then figured that, if anything, she was a cobbler, with that not even being very likely. And thanks, by the way. I'll dead!Sally your dead, Miss. ;)

I'm surprised no one mentioned that Dun seemed to be the center of attention on the Night he died. Admittedly it was a last-ditch effort from me to hit Tom, having no concrete idea of who he was besides my suspicion of Wilwa (which I obviously couldn't act on that Night anyway). You played in such a way that I was constantly forgetting you, which made you a huge threat to me because if you were Tom, because that would mean I wasn't finding you. Then again, I think I mainly didn't pay attention to you because I was too busy trying to lynch Agan. o_O

I was quite disappointed with the number of submarines in this game. Mind you, I wasn't disappointed in the submarined themselves, as Form, Kath, and others did very well in the little time they were here, but with that many quiet people and the wolves and cobbler being the main discussion leaders it makes it very hard for the village to pull out a win. :(

Which brings me, of course, to Nerwen, who is always evil. Always. Heh.

Also, I'm pretty sure Boro hates me, but I shall snuggle him anyway. <3

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and I forgot to say that Lhuna should totally play in my upcoming game. ;)

[A Little Green]

Aww, just noticed this, posted three minutes before DL on the last Day:For the record, I don't think Greenie's a wolf. Not really.:smokin:

[Pitchwife]

Yes, yes, I know... You have no idea how often in the last couple of days I've wished for someone to begin a new page already, so my own stupidity doesn't jump into my face each time I go look at the latest post in this thread.:rolleyes::o
Seriously though, you're a gifted actress. Well played!:)

[satansaloser2005]

Yes, yes, I know... You have no idea how often in the last couple of days I've wished for someone to begin a new page already, so my own stupidity doesn't jump into my face each time I go look at the latest post in this thread.

I keep waiting to be able to rep you again so I can do it for that post. It makes me grin every time. :p


And see? We should just lynch Greenie every game, no matter what. Unless Phantom's playing, of course, because he'll catch her doing something "blatantly obvious" on like the admin thread or something. :rolleyes::D


ETA: Ha! I just granted Pitch's wish! ^_^

[Pitchwife]

Rep me for being stupid? Hey, I can do that more often if you like! Doesn't take much of an effort...
And thanks for the new page!:D<3

[satansaloser2005]

Rep me for being stupid? Hey, I can do that more often if you like! Doesn't take much of an effort...
And thanks for the new page!:D<3

Haha! No, I just like the irony of telling you good game while repping you for your most amusing (and granted, misdirected, snerk) post in the game. Never stupid. :)


You're welcome! I live to serve! :smokin:

[A Little Green]

And see? We should just lynch Greenie every game, no matter what. Unless Phantom's playing, of course, because he'll catch her doing something "blatantly obvious" on like the admin thread or something. :rolleyes::DNot fair! Don't you think "Unless Phantom's playing, of course, because in that case we'll lynch him no matter what" would serve much better? :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Not fair! Don't you think "Unless Phantom's playing, of course, because in that case we'll lynch him no matter what" would serve much better? :Merisu:

An acceptable compromise indeed. The committee shall consider your proposal. ;)