The Valley Forge - WW LXXXVII - Admin Thread

[Folwren]

Here goes. Let me know if anything is missing. Fire away with any questions, suggestions, and so forth. I am in no huge rush to get this started. Please bear with me as I stumble along and make unavoidable mistakes - I'm sure they'll come.

Story line:

The dwarves of Erebor have fallen into dark times. A threat has come from the Dark Lord Sauron. His Nazgul demand allegiance, in reward for which of three Dwarven rings will be given. King Dáin wants nothing to do with it and has twice put off the messenger. But the messenger is going to come again, a third and last time, and he wants an answer, or war may break out.

But there is also a growing threat from within. Some dwarves do not like the king’s decision. They know the folly of defying Lord Sauron, and they also know that power could be gained if they received the three promised rings. A small group of dwarves in one corner of the community has decided to take matters into their own hands. They have formed a party, made themselves a name, and created a secret society. During the day, they attempt to persuade their fellow dwarves to rise in a revolt against the king and take what is offered them from Lord Sauron. At night, they go forth and execute any who stand in their way, making examples of them for anyone else who wishes to stand against them.

King Dáin knew not how to put down this inward uprising and deal with the traitors. He sent trusted dwarves down to the area where the killings were occurring, but these dwarves were murdered or sent back with their beards shaven and with the society’s brand imprinted on their shoulder.

Finally, one dwarf stepped forward and promised results, or his life forfeit. “Indeed,” the king told him grimly, “your life will be forfeit. For if you fail to bring down this uprising, those members of the Valley Forge will save me the trouble of removing your head.”

The dwarf bowed and withdrew from the king’s presence and set himself the task of learning the workings of the society of the Valley Forge. When he deemed himself ready, he traveled to the corner of Erebor where the Forge held its reign of terror. He quickly blended into the darkest parts and amongst the darkest dwarves of the place. In time, he was brought before the Forge’s leader, questioned, put through the trials of a new member, and permitted to enter into the society.

But in secret, he had already planted the first seeds of his real work. He had stirred the people up with ideas and rumors. The terrified dwarves were tired of being bullied and killed at whim, and as the king seemed to be doing nothing about it, they would do something for themselves. It was decided that they must purge the place of the evil dwarves, and each day a trial would be held and each night, they would decide on who was most likely to be part of the Valley Forge. And for such dwarves, there was only one punishment: death.

Roles:

1 The King’s Dwarf

1 Night Watchdwarf

1 The Sweetheart

Several members of the group Valley Forge

More innocent bystanders


The King’s Dwarf: This player will appear to be one of the members of the Valley Forge. During the night, he will hold council with the other Forge members and will partake in the killing.

At the end of each Day, he will send the moderator a PM which will be sent to the Night Watchman. In this PM, he will note down who he thinks the Forge might kill that night.

If the members of the Forge discover who the King’s Dwarf is, it is their intent to kill him during a night phase. If they succeed, they also will get to kill the Sweetheart if she has found the King’s Dwarf by this time and she has not already been killed by the village dwarves. Until they succeed in this, or he is lynched by the mob, they will have a player in their midst who knows their identity and who wants nothing more than to get them killed.

If the King's Dwarf is killed by the villagers, the game continues until the members are destroyed or the villagers are brought down to the members' number.

The King's Dwarf has succeeded in his mission when all of the Forge members are dead.

The King’s Dwarf cannot at ANY time in the game reveal himself.

The Night Watchdwarf: This dwarf has the ability to protect the victim of the Forge’s violence. The King’s Dwarf at the beginning of each night will get word to him who he thinks the Forge may attack. The Night Watchdwarf may either ignore or take heed of the dwarf’s warning. After he has received the warning, he will PM the moderator with the name of the player he wishes to protect. Who he chooses to protect will survive the night. He may protect the same person no more than two nights in a row.

The Sweetheart: This is the character with whom the King’s Dwarf inadvertently falls in love. At the beginning of the game, she does not know who the King’s Dwarf is, and the King’s Dwarf does not know who she is. Each night, she will send the moderator two names. The moderator will respond whether or not one of the names is the King’s Dwarf. Once the sweetheart has learned the identity of the King’s Dwarf, the King’s Dwarf will be informed and will know who the sweetheart is. These two will be able to communicate at night and further instructions will be given them at a later time (this part is still pending).

The King’s Dwarf is willing to put his life down for her. If the wolves kill her during the night, the King’s Dwarf will make a killing, but in doing so, will reveal himself and will die as well.

If the sweetheart is killed during the day by the villagers, the King’s Dwarf can do nothing.

Members of the Valley Forge: Their purpose is to kill the King’s Dwarf and get the number of villagers down to their own number. During the night phases, they will PM amongst themselves and before the Night deadline, they will send the moderator the name of their kill.

The members of the Forge can only kill the King’s Dwarf at night if there are two or more of them left to do so. Once the game comes down to one Forge member left and the King’s Dwarf is still alive, that final Forge member cannot kill him.

With fifteen players, there will be four members of the Forge.

Reveals are NOT allowed. If you do not respect this rule, you shall be kicked from the game and the mod and other players will be very cranky with you.

There may be double lynchings, but only two will be killed at a time.

The votes must be given thus:

++Folwren

Votes are retractable, but only if you replace one name with another. Like so:

--Folwren

++Thornden

Each day period and each night period will last 24 hours. Deadling will begin at 5:00 EST.

Players
Sally
Inzil
Nerwen
Boro
Galadriel
Eruhen
Bom
Glirdan
Finduilas
Rikae
McCaber
Wilwarin
Pitchwife
the Phantom
Mithalwen

[Inziladun]

Sounds interesting! Go ahead and count me in.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

A question - how will you be taking the nightkills of the Forge? It doesn't seem like having one person send in the kills will work in this setup, if you mean for the Forge to be able to kill off their own members during the night.

Another question - what is the King's Dwarf's win condition? Same as the innocents?

Another question - what happens when the Forge is reduced to two members - one Forge member and the King's Dwarf?

[Mithalwen]

Does the sweetheart know they are the sweetheart?

[Folwren]

yeah, some of these questions I thought of this morning, a wee bit late. :rolleyes:

A question - how will you be taking the nightkills of the Forge? It doesn't seem like having one person send in the kills will work in this setup, if you mean for the Forge to be able to kill off their own members during the night.

Again, I am unsure what the general set up for this is. I had in mind that the Forges would converse by PM and then one of them would send me their decision. I am counting on the integrity of the player playing the King's Dwarf not to send in the wrong name should he ever be the one to send me the name. To ensure that nothing like that happens, the one who sends me the name can also send it to all the other Forges at the same time.

Another question - what is the King's Dwarf's win condition? Same as the innocents?

Yes, sorry for not clarifying. When all the Forges are dead, the King's Dwarf has succeeded in his mission.

Another question - what happens when the Forge is reduced to two members - one Forge member and the King's Dwarf?

I had thought the game could keep going, but it would be pointless as the night round would be obsolete because the King's Dwarf would stand against any more killing. So I guess at that point, the K.D. would be able to announce himself to the village and they'd kill the last member. But I'm kind of imagining that the members of the Forge would have figured out who the K.D. was by the time they're down to two. I think it'll be a pretty close game.

Does the sweetheart know they are the sweetheart?

Yes. But she will not know who the K.D. is. I think that hte K.D. also knows who she is at the beginning. I am batting the idea around for the K.D. to choose who the Sweetheart is...what do you think of that?

I'll add stuff that I say here to the first post so newcomers see it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I don't think I'll be able to play this time around, but you know I'm always available if you want to bounce ideas off of me and gossip about roles.

[Mithalwen]

Any idea of the likely deadline?

[Folwren]

I am thinking 3:00 P.M. Central Time Zone, which would be approximately three and a half hours from when this is posted.

Either that or 11:00 P.M. Central time. Which would be approximately eleven and a half hours from the time this is posted.

[Inziladun]

I had in mind that the Forges would converse by PM and then one of them would send me their decision. I am counting on the integrity of the player playing the King's Dwarf not to send in the wrong name should he ever be the one to send me the name. To ensure that nothing like that happens, the one who sends me the name can also send it to all the other Forges at the same time.

I once played in a game, Eönwë's, I think, in which I was a "saboteur" wolf. I was nominally on the side of the wolves, plotting with them at Night, but my ultimate goal was to help the village. It fell to me more than once to send in the kill, but I wasn't allowed to so overtly thwart my packmates as to disrupt that. Also, doing so would have been a sure tipoff to the pack as to what I was up to. This sounds like the same sort of thing.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't know, it seems like an interesting dynamic to me, that the KD should be able to change the kill if the other wolves trust them enough to send it in. What if it's down to three (the KD and two wolves)? Which wolf do you trust to send in the kill? Do you all three send in a name, and majority rules? I like this idea.

[Folwren]

I don't know, it seems like an interesting dynamic to me, that the KD should be able to change the kill if the other wolves trust them enough to send it in. What if it's down to three (the KD and two wolves)? Which wolf do you trust to send in the kill? Do you all three send in a name, and majority rules? I like this idea.

Sure, we could do that. If we were trying to stay true to the story and what was supposedly happening (i.e. each night the members went out together to kill somebody) then it wouldn't happen like that, but it's okay.

[Mithalwen]

I don't see why the KD wo0uld do that if it would hand the forge the game. Not sending the "right kill" is as good a way of saying here I am as I can think of bar shouting.

[Mithalwen]

unless they can be sure there won't be another night of course. KD si going to be afiendishly difficult role to pull off... interesting

[Nogrod]

Let's see Nogrod, mild and meak, join the game. :)

And this time really, I'm going to fit the description... so no more playing overnight for me... (I've "learnt it" a couple of times already but maybe it's hammered in this time? :rolleyes:)


The concept! Whoa!

I need to read it tomorrow again, but it does look promising ideed!

[Folwren]

Awesome, Nogrod. I'm excited about having you.

Inzil, I'm glad you've joined as well, I just haven't gotten around to saying so.

Shasta and Mith, can I take your interest and your questions to be an indication of you joining, too? :D I hope? Maybe?

Mith, you are right - the King's Dwarf will be an extraordinarily difficult role to play and win with. And you are also right that for the KD to send in a wrong name would pin him and get him killed. That's another reason why I wasn't worried about it at all.

I was thinking that the Forge needs more members than just 1 member per 4 villgaers. Possibly 1 to 3. That is, if we had 12 players, 4 would be Forge members. Does that sound fair?

[elronds_daughter]

Count me in!

[Mithalwen]

Awesome, Nogrod. I'm excited about having you.

Inzil, I'm glad you've joined as well, I just haven't gotten around to saying so.

Shasta and Mith, can I take your interest and your questions to be an indication of you joining, too? :D I hope? Maybe?

Mith, you are right - the King's Dwarf will be an extraordinarily difficult role to play and win with. And you are also right that for the KD to send in a wrong name would pin him and get him killed. That's another reason why I wasn't worried about it at all.

I was thinking that the Forge needs more members than just 1 member per 4 villgaers. Possibly 1 to 3. That is, if we had 12 players, 4 would be Forge members. Does that sound fair?


Foley, yes I think I would like to play this one. Really fascinating concept but not too complicated.

As to fairness.. well while the Kings Dwarf will know all the others he will have to play his hand subtly to avoid being killed. Since if he helps his supposed fellows get lynched too much he is again on dangerous ground. Right if The Sweetheart is lynched then the KD dies but the game goes on. If KD is wolf killed - game over. If KD is lynched? Does the game carry on?

If so you could end up with a game with a lot of wolves and only one gifted who has lost the benefit of the KD's tips although being allowed ot protect twice in a row has that psych weapon of makingthe wolves guess if the double protect is used or not.

All my games have ended up being quite one sided however much I tried to make it fair. Bear in mind that in any game you are liable to have at least one drop out and a couple of players whose attendance is limited - even with the best will in the world RL can get in the way. Now obviously you should keep your role selection method private but you may want to think about what happens if KD is up for modfiring or what ever.

Classic WW was 1in4 players was a wolf. With 1 seer. If you felt that was too low you could have a cursed (bear in mind that a night killed player is often a strong player esp late in the game..) or a cobbler or..well I forget the other less used roles. If you think it is a bit high you could add a gifted.. A lot will depend on how many bods you get to sign up.

[Galadriel55]

The game sounds great, Foley! Unfortunately, I won't be able to participate, since all my teachers decided that February is the perfect month to catch up on everything. I doubt that I'll have enough time to read through everything, much less to analyse it! :( Really sorry to have to miss out...
I guess I'll just have to wait until a long break before I participate...:(

[elronds_daughter]

I just figured out where the potential DL times are for me: 3 p.m. CST is really bad for me three days out of the week (smack dab in the middle of my school/work day), but the later DL would work marvelously all the time.

Just thought you should have my input. :)

[Mithalwen]

However for me the 3 pm one would be best since I think that would be 9pm GMT whereas the other would be a horrendous 5 am...

[Folwren]

Welcome, elrond's daughter. Sorry you can't play, Galadriel. Mith, I'm happy to have you aboard. :)

Yes, I would like to hear people's input on what deadline would be best for them. However, the final call will probably be if I think I will be able to effectively work my schedule around it, because I plan on spending about an hour before each deadline figuring out what happened and how best to write it. 11:00 P.M. works for me because I know I will always have the hour between 10 and 11 clear. 3:00 is less certain, as I am at work two days a week and although I have internet access, I don't always have time.

What is the cursed role?

EDIT: Mith, about your question about what happens if the KD is lynched: the game will continue as normal, until the Forge's members are all killed or until the Forge whittles down the number of villagers to their remaining number. I have put this into the first post.

EDIT #2: A lot of nick-names have been made up for players. When we have our full player list, I'd like to request one of two things. Either people call everyone by their screen names or obvious shortenings there-of (i.e. Inzil, Mith, and Shasta) or somebody post a list for me with screen-names and nick-names so I can tell who's being called what. Otherwise I fear I might lynch the wrong person, and that'd be baaaaad. :eek:

[Mithalwen]

Foley, I do hope you realise I am not being critical - just only too aware that the one situation that hasn't been anticipated is likely to arise... and while I am shoving my oar in I would add that moddidng is more effort than you may think and you must be selfish and choose the best time for you - you can't please everyone with a world wide clientele so you may as well suit yourself.

Heartily endorse the use of true or obvious nicknames early. I think there is a list somewhere but it drove me nuts in the last game... having not played for ages particularly I found it deeply annoying to have obscure nicknames bandied by the cognoscenti.

The cursed is a prechosen player who if attacked by a wolf at night doesn't die but turns into a wolf and joins the pack. they don't know they are cursed until they are "turned" and nothing happens if they are lynched so it is a bit of a wild card.

Oh can the watchman protect KD from the other Forge members?

[Inziladun]

Any DL is no problem for me. If I can't be around at that time, so be it. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm willing to play, I just think a 1-3 baddie/goodie ratio with only one real gifted is slightly unbalanced. :p

[elronds_daughter]

Foley, I do hope you realise I am not being critical - just only too aware that the one situation that hasn't been anticipated is likely to arise... and while I am shoving my oar in I would add that moddidng is more effort than you may think and you must be selfish and choose the best time for you - you can't please everyone with a world wide clientele so you may as well suit yourself.

True enough. My concern with the 3 p.m. CST DL was mostly just that there might be some days where I would have to vote only a few hours into the Day, and I think it's hardly fair to everyone else playing for me to only be present for a few hours, and those vastly before DL.

But yes, Foley, choose whatever works best for you. If I have to vote obscenely early, then that's what I must do. Unless you think it would make a horrid game for everyone else - in which case I shall withdraw.

Whatever you think best, O Great Mod.

[Boromir88]

I'm willing to play, I just think a 1-3 baddie/goodie ratio with only one real gifted is slightly unbalanced. :p

Well games have been won with the Seer being the only gifted in a game before. From my understanding the King's Dwarf already knows the identity of the Valley Forge/wolves and has to try to get them killed during the day lynch? In a way the King's Dwarf is a seer who knows the wolves already. The tricky part would be not dying, and getting the bystanders to go along.

Anyway, maybe I shouldn't have said anything, because I was just coming in to say I can't play in this (or any WW games in the foreseeable future). My weekends are booked until April with trips and I can't reasonably participate in a game that will make me internetless at least 3 days of the week. However, Foley, if you want to talk balance, hammer out any questions or details, feel free to PM me. :)

[Mithalwen]

But the normal ratio is one in four not one in three being evil. It is absolutely imperative that the KD isn't killed at night. It is hard enough for a seer to stay alive without the Wolves knowing that there is a traitor in their midst watching for one of their number being useful to the village. Maybe have a true seer or a variant thereof ..I think there have been games where someone has limited dreams or something but a more regular player might know. Just something to give the KD a bit more cover?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Most interesting concept!

I have only one question, or concern, regarding the King's Dwarf: what actually prevents the King's Dwarf from coming out the first Day and saying "Hi! I am KD, the rest of the baddies are X, Y and Z."? I think a person with any sense for sporty game wouldn't do that, but just hypothetically, I could see a problem with this. Or is it so that the KD can only win if he/she really, really survives until the end? (If so, then perhaps you should emphasise it a bit more strongly...)

I think this is interesting as the game could get a lot more paranoid now for the WWs as well. So actually even if there were a bit more WWs than normally (but not TOO much more), it might not be such a big deal. Generally, I think the rules as they are might actually be fine. This will really depend a lot on the skill of the KD.

And for that matter... I think I could play :) The DL is most likely going to be something awful for me anyway, but who cares. I will just have to vote early.

EDIT #2: A lot of nick-names have been made up for players. When we have our full player list, I'd like to request one of two things. Either people call everyone by their screen names or obvious shortenings there-of (i.e. Inzil, Mith, and Shasta) or somebody post a list for me with screen-names and nick-names so I can tell who's being called what. Otherwise I fear I might lynch the wrong person, and that'd be baaaaad. :eek:

I think there was some list of most typical nicknames in the sort of "WW rules" thread which has been made a while ago (it's the sticky in this area, I believe). You could look it up there, if need be.

[Nerwen]

I think there was some list of most typical nicknames in the sort of "WW rules" thread which has been made a while ago (it's the sticky in this area, I believe). You could look it up there, if need be.
Yes, it's the fourth post on the sticky thread. It's not quite up-to-date, though, as a few more nicknames have emerged since. In fact we really should ask morm to insert "Shasticle" and "Elra/L Ron/Daughter" etc. Also, Foley, you might find the Glossary (same thread) helpful.

[Mithalwen]

Seriously I will vote to lynch anyone who uses silly nicknames.... :cool:
Depends if the Ranger can protect the KD against the forge members. If not then the game would be over before all Forge members could be lynched since double lynch is maximum If Ranger can protect then might just eb able to do it. I suppose the KD could say WXY&Z are Forge Members now lynch me so game goes on but it would be rather joyless.

[Folwren]

Foley, I do hope you realise I am not being critical - just only too aware that the one situation that hasn't been anticipated is likely to arise... and while I am shoving my oar in I would add that moddidng is more effort than you may think and you must be selfish and choose the best time for you - you can't please everyone with a world wide clientele so you may as well suit yourself.

I haven't felt you were being critical, so it's all good. I appreciate your input. :)

Oh can the watchman protect KD from the other Forge members?

Sure, if he can figure out who he is, I guess.

I have only one question, or concern, regarding the King's Dwarf: what actually prevents the King's Dwarf from coming out the first Day and saying "Hi! I am KD, the rest of the baddies are X, Y and Z."? I think a person with any sense for sporty game wouldn't do that, but just hypothetically, I could see a problem with this. Or is it so that the KD can only win if he/she really, really survives until the end? (If so, then perhaps you should emphasise it a bit more strongly...)

Well, the main thing that prevents him from coming out on Day 1 is the fact that the Forges will kill him during the night. Or, as Mith suggested, he could put himself up for killing that evening. But that would completely ruin the entirety of the game and I would be really cranky.

No, my intention was that the KD could never announce to anybody his true identity. I am sorry I never said this. As you can see, I really don't know what I'm doing and am only learning as I go along.

I'm trying to think realistically in the context of my scenerio - the KD doesn't want to die, so he can't tell the villagers who he is because then either the villagers won't kill him and the Forges will, or the villagers will kill him so the Forges won't. Heads he loses, tails he...doesn't win. I almost made it so that the game would be over if he died at all, but I figured that would be way too difficult.

So the idea of a sort of seer, so that the villgers would have another gifted...
And also the idea that 1 in 3 being a Forge member is too much...
I will think it over. You are probably right.

What do you all think of the idea of the KD choosing the Sweetheart?

Edit: Nerwen, are you joining us? :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, the main thing that prevents him from coming out on Day 1 is the fact that the Forges will kill him during the night. Or, as Mith suggested, he could put himself up for killing that evening. But that would completely ruin the entirety of the game and I would be really cranky.

Well, and that's exactly what I am trying to prevent by asking about it... Because, even if the person does not want to reveal by himself, what if... let's put it this way: It is Day 1. (Or Day Anything, for that matter.) The village agrees that X is a Wolf and needs to be lynched. Basically everybody agrees on that there is something fishy about the fellow and votes start to fall. Half of the people has voted, our person X is in the lead and it does not seem like the votes are going to turn elsewhere anytime soon. However, unbeknownst to the village, person X is the King's Dwarf. Now what is the person going to do? If the situation looks really desperate? I think quite many people will be tempted (and under certain circumstances, it might be really the most reasonable thing to do, especially if there are only two other WWs left, the person can even very well win at that point) to just say "okay, I am probably going to die, but I will at least help the village. Okay, hear ye people, I am the King's Dwarf. Even if you now stop voting for me, I will likely die soon, but I can tell you that the Wolves are Y and Z." And what then? Will there be anything to prevent that?

[Folwren]

Well, and that's exactly what I am trying to prevent by asking about it... Because, even if the person does not want to reveal by himself, what if... let's put it this way: It is Day 1. (Or Day Anything, for that matter.) The village agrees that X is a Wolf and needs to be lynched. Basically everybody agrees on that there is something fishy about the fellow and votes start to fall. Half of the people has voted, our person X is in the lead and it does not seem like the votes are going to turn elsewhere anytime soon. However, unbeknownst to the village, person X is the King's Dwarf. Now what is the person going to do? If the situation looks really desperate? I think quite many people will be tempted (and under certain circumstances, it might be really the most reasonable thing to do, especially if there are only two other WWs left, the person can even very well win at that point) to just say "okay, I am probably going to die, but I will at least help the village. Okay, hear ye people, I am the King's Dwarf. Even if you now stop voting for me, I will likely die soon, but I can tell you that the Wolves are Y and Z." And what then? Will there be anything to prevent that?

Ah. A likely scenerio. Hm. Is it ridiculous of me to say that the KD CAN'T under any circumstances say outright who he is? I'd like to, as that's pretty much how I was thinking of it in my mind, but is it fair to expect that? Plus, if I don't make that rule, we can have all sorts of false claims and double bluffing going on. I'll think about this, too.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ah. A likely scenerio. Hm. Is it ridiculous of me to say that the KD CAN'T under any circumstances say outright who he is? I'd like to, as that's pretty much how I was thinking of it in my mind, but is it fair to expect that? Plus, if I don't make that rule, we can have all sorts of false claims and double bluffing going on. I'll think about this, too.

Well, I think there'll be no harm in saying that KD CAN'T reveal. It at least makes it clear. However, you possibly might have some hints and would-be hints and all anyway, such as "don't lynch me! It is to your own harm!" But then again, the outcome of that is far less certain (and if the person survives, he/she can get under suspicion by fellow Wolves).

But concerning the false claims, I don't think there will be much of false claims even if you don't decide to make that rule, as there is not much anybody would gain by them.

Anyway, you must decide for yourself, in the end... but possibly people might still have something interesting to say about this here.

[Mithalwen]

Ah. A likely scenerio. Hm. Is it ridiculous of me to say that the KD CAN'T under any circumstances say outright who he is? I'd like to, as that's pretty much how I was thinking of it in my mind, but is it fair to expect that? Plus, if I don't make that rule, we can have all sorts of false claims and double bluffing going on. I'll think about this, too.

We are your labrats. you can make the rules...

Oh I don't know if is unconscious but you have used he for KD & nightwatchman. and her for sweetheart. Now if that was more than a figure of speech (ie the KD will be a male player and the Sweetheart female then it adds a whole new dynamic to the game. Maybe should take advantage of the fact that male and female dwarves are hard to tell apart!

[Folwren]

Oh I don't know if is unconscious but you have used he for KD & nightwatchman. and her for sweetheart. Now if that was more than a figure of speech (ie the KD will be a male player and the Sweetheart female then it adds a whole new dynamic to the game. Maybe should take advantage of the fact that male and female dwarves are hard to tell apart!

I am going to make no distinction of male and female players when the roles are decided. I aim to do it in a random manner and not choose anybody because I think they'll be good at a particular part. I called them a he and a she because that's how I have been picturing them in the storyline. I did not think how that would impact how I wrote my narratives. Hmph. Things are more complicated than I imagined.

I am thinking that I will make it so that the KD cannot outright announce his identity. The hints will crop up regardless, and that's fine. False hints may even arrive.

I am still thinking of possible additional gifted roles.

[Galadriel55]

I am thinking that I will make it so that the KD cannot outright announce his identity.

Does saying "my real name is Katy Davis"* count as announcing it outright?;)

*No, not really. :D

[Mithalwen]

I am going to make no distinction of male and female players when the roles are decided. I aim to do it in a random manner and not choose anybody because I think they'll be good at a particular part. . Things are more complicated than I imagined. .

Don't worry. You just have to state that using he/she in narrations shouldn't be taken as a clue to the actual gender of the players. They are just roles after all. If you don't end up making an executive decision about bringing someone back from the dead you will be doing better than me!!!

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, Galadriel, you have so much to learn about over hints. *hides from everyone from Glirdan's Greek game* ;)

Anyway, sadly, I'm out for this round. I'm simply too busy, and playing on my phone doesn't work nearly as well as I'd like, so I'll be taking a game or two off. It sounds fun though! :D

[Kitanna]

I get off work an hour after the DL (should it be 3pm) and as my last game showed that's not very good for me. However, if the DL were to be 11 PM I'd have about five hours of game play and then a quick vote post before going to work in the morning. I'd like to play, but I'm not sure if I can. Please mark me as a maybe and I'll make a decision soon.

[Pitchwife]

Hmm, this does indeed sound very promising. I'm not actually sure that I should play at this time (having a three months old puppy around who demands attention and is still prone to leaving malodorous protest notes all over the house whenever I spend too much time at the computer), but if the sign-up continues as sluggishly as it's been these past days, I'll be sorely tempted (especially with a 3pm CT = 9pm GMT DL, which would be pure candy for me on most Days) - so maybe you can sign me up with a question mark for the time being?

Anyway, a few questions/comments:

1. Does the KD count as an innocent or as a Forger in the tally - i.e. what happens when the village is down to one or two innocents, one Forger and the KD? (If I remember correctly, the 'saboteur' role Zil had in Eönwë's game counted as a wolf, so part of his job description was to get himself lynched along with his packmates.)

2. The above is closely connected with the following:
I had thought the game could keep going, but it would be pointless as the night round would be obsolete because the King's Dwarf would stand against any more killing. So I guess at that point, the K.D. would be able to announce himself to the village and they'd kill the last member. But I'm kind of imagining that the members of the Forge would have figured out who the K.D. was by the time they're down to two. I think it'll be a pretty close game.
This situation is going to arise as soon as the next-to-last genuine Forger is lynched and his/her role revealed; at this point the last one will realize that their remaining 'packmate' has to be the KD and will kill him this very Night, before the KD can announce himself to the village. If the Night Watchman is still alive, the KD can try to get himself protected and reveal the next Day, otherwise it'll be game over, Forge wins.
Which means (unless I'm overlooking something) that the game is only winnable for the KD and the innocents if the NW survives long enough. Left to himself, without protection, the KD can't win.

3. Maybe this is just me, but I suggest you reconsider about the Forge gaining instant victory by killing the KD. I feel it's a little hard on the ordinary innocents to make the outcome of the game dependent on the survival of a single player, which is largely beyond their influence (especially under the conditions described above).

4. Will the KD be played by Bruce Dern? After all, Silent Running is his job description, isn't it?;)

[Glirdan]

Hmmm, i'm definitely interested but my work schedule and rehearsal schedule is a little whack...sign me up with a question mark for now and I'll let you know :)

[Loslote]

This looks absolutely amazing, but I need a WW vacation. I might be following along, but my mind is far too frazzled to play right now. :(

[Galadriel55]

Oh, Galadriel, you have so much to learn about over hints. ;)

That's true!, but my question was what is the limit of "saying it outright". I can say "monarch's messenger", and it's very obvious, but it's not saying it directly. Or you could describe the role. There are ways to say it outright without actually saying the word.

[Folwren]

Hmm, this does indeed sound very promising. I'm not actually sure that I should play at this time (having a three months old puppy around who demands attention and is still prone to leaving malodorous protest notes all over the house whenever I spend too much time at the computer), but if the sign-up continues as sluggishly as it's been these past days, I'll be sorely tempted (especially with a 3pm CT = 9pm GMT DL, which would be pure candy for me on most Days) - so maybe you can sign me up with a question mark for the time being?

I can do that, especially as a lot of players have written me saying that they can't play due to scheduling. It may be a long time before this game actually gets started.

1. Does the KD count as an innocent or as a Forger in the tally - i.e. what happens when the village is down to one or two innocents, one Forger and the KD? (If I remember correctly, the 'saboteur' role Zil had in Eönwë's game counted as a wolf, so part of his job description was to get himself lynched along with his packmates.)

The KD counts as an innocent in the tally.

This situation is going to arise as soon as the next-to-last genuine Forger is lynched and his/her role revealed; at this point the last one will realize that their remaining 'packmate' has to be the KD and will kill him this very Night, before the KD can announce himself to the village. If the Night Watchman is still alive, the KD can try to get himself protected and reveal the next Day, otherwise it'll be game over, Forge wins.
Which means (unless I'm overlooking something) that the game is only winnable for the KD and the innocents if the NW survives long enough. Left to himself, without protection, the KD can't win.

Interesting thought and one that I had not considered.

Maybe this is just me, but I suggest you reconsider about the Forge gaining instant victory by killing the KD. I feel it's a little hard on the ordinary innocents to make the outcome of the game dependent on the survival of a single player, which is largely beyond their influence (especially under the conditions described above).

I put that clause in because it seemed like the KD had so much advantage over the Forges. But upon examining it, I realize that there is plenty of ways the KD might be knocked off and the Forges to regain their usual chances of winning. I will reconsider.

4. Will the KD be played by Bruce Dern? After all, Silent Running is his job description, isn't it?;)

I'm afraid I don't know who Bruce Dern is, so that reference went over my head.

Now, so far, there are nine names on the list and three of those are put down with question-marks. As I said above, lots of people have written saying they can't play for sometime - weeks or months - and I was wondering if it is advisesable to plan on waiting to start this game until at least some of these players are available? In the mean time, I can be reworking my idea and fine tuning it.

I think it'd be fine to keep this thread up. I like the conversation going on here and the suggestions you all are giving to me - I couldn't make it better without you. And also, if the thread remains up, people can keep signing up, however slowly. Just know, all you who have signed in, it might be a long time before the game actually starts. I'd like to know - are you alright with that?

I'd also like to know what's the minimum number of players? Twelve is what I have in mind, but I feel that might be boring. I'd like closer to fifteen or more. But we don't have more than six certain players, and twelve seems like a hard number to reach, much less fifteen!

[Pitchwife]

I'm afraid I don't know who Bruce Dern is, so that reference went over my head.
Ah, sorry, I thought the title of the game was a nod to this old sci-fi movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Running) where Bruce Dern's character turns against his crewmates in order to save the last greenhouse in space. The ship's name is Valley Forge.

I put that clause in because it seemed like the KD had so much advantage over the Forges.
But does he? OK, he knows who they are, but as has been discussed it would be unwise for him to out them right away; so his biggest advantage will be the power to sabotage the Night-kills by tipping off the Watchman, but the way you put it, there's quite an uncertainty factor built into this:
At the end of each Day, he will send the moderator a PM which will be sent to the Night Watchman. In this PM, he will note down who he thinks the Forge might kill that night.
(Emphasis mine)
From my experience, minds may change more than once during a wolf pack's Nightly discussions, so the KD's success will depend on his ability to either pre-guess his packmates' leanings or subtly steer their decision making so that they choose to kill the right (=protected) player. It's all rather chancy, I think.
Just know, all you who have signed in, it might be a long time before the game actually starts. I'd like to know - are you alright with that?

Don't know about the others, but it's fine for me (as long as it doesn't draw out to RPG or Paper Telephone dimensions:)).
I'd also like to know what's the minimum number of players? Twelve is what I have in mind, but I feel that might be boring. I'd like closer to fifteen or more. But we don't have more than six certain players, and twelve seems like a hard number to reach, much less fifteen!
Much as I personally prefer small, handy villages, I think you want a pack of four wolves/Forgers for this (three real ones + the KD) so that the KD's cover isn't blown to soon, so I guess twelve would be the minimum, better something around fourteen to sixteen. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to be taking a WW withdrawal cure at the moment...:(
But to help things along a little bit, scrap that question mark as far as I'm concerned. I've just decided I don't want to miss this!

[Mänwe]

During the day, they attempt to persuade their fellow dwarves to rise in a revolt against the king and take what is offered them from Lord Sauron. At night, they go forth and execute any who stand in their way, making examples of them for anyone else who wishes to stand against them.

So that'd make all the 'ordos' playing, loyal to Dáin..so even with their greatest threat in the 'King's Dwarf' slain (by them) they'd still need to be rid of the ouspoken loyalists ('ordos') in order to achieve supremacy and incite rebellion, so removing the insta win for the death of the 'King's Dwarf' at their hands wouldn't be too unplausable for the story?

So;

Perhaps the Forge might be rewarded some other way...on the death (by their hands) of the 'King's Dwarf' they're allowed a double execution perhaps?

..and on the talk of their being no seer and such, perhaps on the death of the 'King's Dwarf' by a lynch he passes on his knowledge/parts of about the Forge members, to his 'sweetheart' or something...?

~~~

For the next two weeks, the earlier deadline would be better for me. After which the later deadline would probably work best, but i'd busier. But you can count me in.

[Folwren]

Perhaps the Forge might be rewarded some other way...on the death (by their hands) of the 'King's Dwarf' they're allowed a double execution perhaps?

Ah, I have an idea. The Sweetheart player won't like it, but so be it - what if, when the Forge Members kill the KD, they also kill the Sweetheart, as a revenge-ish sort of act.

As for the KD passing all his knowledge to the Sweetheart - I think that'd be a bit unfair, as then the sweetheart could come out the next day and say what she knows. I don't like restricting people by saying, "once the sweetheart knows all the secrets of the gang, she can't reveal and can't say what she knows" so I don't want to have the KD pass on his info. I am hoping that by the time the KD dies, he will have left enough of a trail behind him to incriminate at least one member.

This is going to be a hard game for whoever gets the part of the King's Dwarf.

For the next two weeks, the earlier deadline would be better for me. After which the later deadline would probably work best, but i'd busier. But you can count me in.

Welcome aboard.

[Folwren]

Ah, sorry, I thought the title of the game was a nod to this old sci-fi movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Running) where Bruce Dern's character turns against his crewmates in order to save the last greenhouse in space. The ship's name is Valley Forge.

Haha...no...I've never heard of it. It is a take off of something, but I'm not going to say what. :p

But does he? OK, he knows who they are, but as has been discussed it would be unwise for him to out them right away; so his biggest advantage will be the power to sabotage the Night-kills by tipping off the Watchman, but the way you put it, there's quite an uncertainty factor built into this.

From my experience, minds may change more than once during a wolf pack's Nightly discussions, so the KD's success will depend on his ability to either pre-guess his packmates' leanings or subtly steer their decision making so that they choose to kill the right (=protected) player. It's all rather chancy, I think.

You are right, and the more I consider the KD's role, the harder I realize it is, and I also realize how very little he may accomplish. The fact is, he may accomplish even less than a regular seer who at least has the protection of numbers, whereas the members of the Forge KNOWS he is one of their four or five.

Don't know about the others, but it's fine for me (as long as it doesn't draw out to RPG or Paper Telephone dimensions:)).

Ha! I hope not! I think I would quit then, too.

But to help things along a little bit, scrap that question mark as far as I'm concerned. I've just decided I don't want to miss this!

Awesome. I'm excited to have you.

[Inziladun]

Sorry I haven't been more active in the game discussion, just busy. That said, waiting a bit for this to start is not a problem for me. :)

[Mithalwen]

I think you need to aim for 15 players because 12 is really a minimum when all are active... with 15 you aren't so vulnerable to the odd drop out...

I can commit DVWP unless weeks stretches to months .. should be ok but my life is in a state of flux atm.

[Mänwe]

Ah, I have an idea. The Sweetheart player won't like it, but so be it - what if, when the Forge Members kill the KD, they also kill the Sweetheart, as a revenge-ish sort of act.

:) nice and tragic

As for the KD passing all his knowledge to the Sweetheart - I think that'd be a bit unfair, as then the sweetheart could come out the next day and say what she knows. I don't like restricting people by saying, "once the sweetheart knows all the secrets of the gang, she can't reveal and can't say what she knows" so I don't want to have the KD pass on his info. I am hoping that by the time the KD dies, he will have left enough of a trail behind him to incriminate at least one member.

Fair point! Plus i'm glad there is no seer, any of that sort of gifted would be undwarf.

[Thinlómien]

As long as you don't start before Monday, I can be in. My participation might be limited though (next week's my first week of school in my student exchange - *waves from Prague*) and I have to say I didn't check the rules yet. Seems interesting though from the little I gathered! Dwarven lovers = awesome. :D

[Folwren]

Don't worry, Lommy, we won't start afore Monday.

Welcome aboard.

[Nerwen]

I realise I forgot to sign up! So count me in, please, Foley.:)

[Kitanna]

Sadly I don't think I can play. I have to go back to work and that'll be annoying and stressful which will drag my game down and probably ensure an early grave for me.

[Folwren]

Great, Nerwen!

I'm sorry to hear that, Kitanna. If you find that you suddenly have time and we haven't started yet, feel free to return.

I'm about to leave for an overnigh trip. I'll be back tomorrow afternoon probably.

[Ozban]

I would join, hope there's room for that yet.

[Folwren]

There is. Welcome, Ozban.

[A Little Green]

Ouch, this looks really good! Unfortunately I'm really busy at the moment and don't think it would be fair to myself or to my fellow players to join when my participation would either be very minimal or come on the expense of desperately needed sleep.. :(

[elronds_daughter]

Just to let everyone know, I will be away starting the 24th (two days from now) until the 6th of March. It's going to be a very busy trip, and there's no guarantee of internet access. So...if this game gets off the ground before March 6, then you'd best count me out, I'm afraid.

[Folwren]

Elrond's daughter, I think that this game will be willing to wait for you to return. :) ;)

Greenie, if you get un-busy and look back here and find that we still have stared, perhaps you can join us then.

This weekend, I will have time to sit down and think about everything that's been said concerning changing the rules and the roles and stuff and maybe finally change somethings. But we're sitll short a few players, so we probably won't be able to start then.

My spring break starts March 19. It would be amazing if we could start this game then, too. We're still short a few players, though.

-- Folwren

[Bom Tombadillo]

Hmm. Would you object to a newbie (both to the site and to the game) joining? Hopefully I'll be settled somewhat on the RPGing front by the time this starts (I'm trying to think up a post now, I promise!). If you don't mind, then

++Bom Tombadillo

[Pitchwife]

Yay! Juicy fresh newbie meat! - Er, I mean, welcome to the lycanthropic side of the Downs, Tombadillo. (I may have to duel you for that name sooner or later, if you ever take part in The Sound of Middle-earth (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=16377)... but that's a different matter.:))

[Folwren]

Certainly, Bom, I'd love to have you.

I'm not sure if you need to read the rules of WW playing or not, but incase you do, there's a sticky thread (or whatever it's called) at the top of the Mirth forum. It would probably be helpful to read.

-- Folwren

[Folwren]

I thought of an idea for another gifted. Thought I'd put it here and see what you all thought.

A type of seer...but instead of finding out if anyone is a Forge member, he will only find out who the King's Dwarf is. So, at night, he'll send me a name by PM and I'll send back a PM saying either, "No, that person is not the K.D" or I'll send back something that says, "Yes, that person is the K.D."

In the story, I was thinking that that character could play in by one day stumbling upon the K.D. doing something that was obviously trying to foil the Forge, like leaving a message for the Night Watchman or something. The dwarf who stumbles upon him realizes he is not one of the Forge members and figures something is odd. Obviously, in the game, we know who all the characters are...

The K.D., I think, will know when he is identified by this character. Should I also tell the K.D. who this person is? Or should that be something that he has to figure out?

What sort of advantage will this give the innocents?

Do I need to think of another gifted?

-- Folwren

[Bom Tombadillo]

I've read bits of a good few archived WW games and at one time read all the way through the original, but I suppose it can't hurt to read through the full rules and will probably prevent some blunders.

Also, the KD-identifier seems . . . interesting. I'll let my elders and betters weigh in on balance.

[Mänwe]

I wouldn't kick and scream if it were included but I quite liked the original set up of limited gifted roles. :)

And hello to Bom!

[Pitchwife]

I'll let my elders and betters weigh in on balance.
Buttering up, eh? Wolf! Lynch him!:p

I wouldn't kick and scream if it were included but I quite liked the original set up of limited gifted roles. :)
Same here, more or less. The KD-seer is an interesting idea, but having a very limited cast of gifteds for a change is quite interesting, too.
What you could do, however, is make the Sweetheart the KD-seer; that would make sense storywise, wouldn't it? Maybe you could even make it so that she only becomes the Sweetheart when/if she discovers the KD?
Anyway, if you decide to have the KD-seer as an extra role, I don't think the KD should know his/her identity. Don't take away the fun of hinting to an unknown ally (including fake-hinting and looking for hints)!

Obviously, in the game, we know who all the characters are...
Er, sorry? I don't get this. Or do you mean character as opposed to role here?

By the way, just noticed that we have thirteen players now (if Glirdan can make it). Looks like this game might even start sometime in the foreseeable future...:)

[Bom Tombadillo]

Accusing an OBVIOUS innocent, eh? Lynch 'im!

*looks at Folwren*

On second thought . . . How many games have you seen where the moderator was a wolf? None, right? Wouldn't that make it the perfect cover? Lynch xer!

[Pitchwife]

Accusing an OBVIOUS innocent, eh? Lynch 'im!

*looks at Folwren*

On second thought . . . How many games have you seen where the moderator was a wolf? None, right? Wouldn't that make it the perfect cover? Lynch xer!
You mean just because you're named after a certain character renowned for silly poetry and being notoriously left out of adaptations, you OBVIOUSly can't be evil? That's meta, my dear.
On the other hand, you have a point about Foley. The problem with that is, if we lynch the Moddess, there's no game, so we shouldn't. Now suspect me for being wishy-washy! :D

[Folwren]

On second thought . . . How many games have you seen where the moderator was a wolf? None, right? Wouldn't that make it the perfect cover? Lynch xer!

Oi! Mind your manners, or you'll be booted, you will! No lyinching before the game starts, and don't even THINK of lynching me. Besides, you don't really think you could get rid of me that easily, do you? ;)

Well, some players think at least one more gifted would be good. But maybe everyone would be happy if the game didn't end if the KD were killed at night, like I originall wrote it.

I like the Sweetheart being the KD-seer (that is, 'seer' looking for the KD), and not becoming the Sweetheart until after she's found him out.

Er, sorry? I don't get this. Or do you mean character as opposed to role here?

I meant, we all know that there is a King's Dwarf in the mix...never mind, it doesn't really matter.

[Bom Tombadillo]

That idea is interesting, but my opinion of it is based on whether or not roles are revealed on death (read: are they?) . . . If not, then we get all sorts of interesting sitchyations with whether or not for the Forges to kill the KD due to the double-death of the KD and the Sweetheart possibly revealing the KD. This all presumes that you decide not to end the game on a night-kill of the KD, of course . . . Pretty please? :Merisu:

It'd certainly make sense story-wise for the role not to be revealed, since nothing (nothing yet revealed, anyway) physically differentiates a Forger, a KD, or a Sweetheart from your average dwarf, unlike in a game of WW with actual werewolves/ducks/wotsits.

EDIT: Scratch that - I just looked back at the story and saw the part about "the society's brand."

[Mänwe]

Well, some players think at least one more gifted would be good. But maybe everyone would be happy if the game didn't end if the KD were killed at night, like I originall wrote it.

I like the Sweetheart being the KD-seer (that is, 'seer' looking for the KD), and not becoming the Sweetheart until after she's found him out.

I would be happy :) - and I do like the Sweetheart setup you originally planned too.

[Pitchwife]

Foley, do you think this game is likely to start some time during the next two or three weeks? Because if it does, I'll have to drop out, much as I'd regret it. I've joined my first ever Barrow Downs RPG, which is going to start sooner than I'd expected, and I'd like to dedicate as much time to this as I can, so I can't really handle a WW game at the same time.
Once Mnemo's RPG (which is designed to take two weeks real time) is over, I'd be available again and would love to play, but if you get enough players to start in the meantime, just go ahead and don't wait for me.

[Folwren]

I was thinking of starting March 19, as the following week is my spring break. However, we're still short on players, so that's not necessarily happening. I'll keep you posted. I figure once it's time, I'll send e-mails to everybody who I have on my list to make sure they're playing and to allert them to any changes I have made to the rules and roles.

I saw Mnemo's game, and I'm excited that it's bringing in so many new players to the RPG forums. :D

-- Foley

[elronds_daughter]

Well, I'm back.

And ready for another rousing game! The 19th looks good as a start date for me.

[satansaloser2005]

If you need more players, I may be able to post now and again.

[Folwren]

Awesome. Welcome, you two. I'll put you on the list.

-- Folwren

[Glirdan]

Gah!! Sorry I haven't been around guys, my net has been faulty as of late and I haven't had access. And I hate to say it, but I don't think I'll be able to play for awhile. Got two shows I'm in and work thus leaving me with barely anytime to do much of anything lol. Wish you all the best of luck though and I'll try and keep up with the game :)

[Folwren]

There is a difficulty. My starting date is two days away and we are still one person short of the minimum number of players. Anyone have any suggestion about who I can contact to see if they want to play?

-- Foley

[Inziladun]

There is a difficulty. My starting date is two days away and we are still one person short of the minimum number of players. Anyone have any suggestion about who I can contact to see if they want to play?

Now that some time has passed since this was initially announced, maybe some who couldn't play at that time will be able to do so now. If I can think of some individual who hasn't weighed in one way or another, I'll let you know.

[Pitchwife]

There is a difficulty. My starting date is two days away and we are still one person short of the minimum number of players. Anyone have any suggestion about who I can contact to see if they want to play?

I'm really very sorry, Foley, but I'll definitely have to withdraw, or I'd end up the most abysmal of submarines, as what's left of my mental capacity after work is quite tied up with The King's Players for now. Wish you the best of luck with the game, though - I'll peep in every now and then, and I'm sure it'll be an interesting read.

As for your question, off the top of my head: Aganzir, wilwa, Nessa Telrunya, Rikae, Mac, skip spence, Eönwë, Eomer, Kath, The Elf-Warrior... No idea who of them would be available, but all have played more or less recently.

[Mithalwen]

I rather think Master Eomer will be otherwise engaged....:Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Erm, I hate to do this, but I won't be available for the next week or so. If you start after next Wednesday, however, I should still be able to play.

[Folwren]

Okay...so how available will you all be if we postponed the date yet again? Quite honestly, it will be better for me, even, for although the 19th is the beginning of my spring break, it's not going to be much of a break after all.

I'd like to hear everybody's opinion, and if most people tell me to start on the 19th as planned if at all possible, I'll send out aonther round of PMs to all those sugested names above.

-- Foley

[Mänwe]

I am fine with the original proposed date, though were it to be postponed again by up to a week I could manage that also.

[Inziladun]

It's all the same to me.

[Glirdan]

Just heads up that Vanilwamuffin is coming up on her exams very soon and has very little time for anything at this point. So unless her schedule has eased up since the last time her and I spoke, I highly doubt she will be available :(

[Bom Tombadillo]

Wow. I come back from a hiatus (partially voluntary) after realizing what date it is, jump to this thread . . . and find out I probably have a while anyway.

Anyways, I'm fine with most any date you choose; if it can start the 19th, that'd be great since it falls on a weekend, giving me plenty of time to work out the Day One confusion, but it doesn't matter terribly much to me.

[Folwren]

K,well, it's not starting yet. I'll send out PMs to people again sometime tomorrow. I don't know when we'll plan on starting. I'm sorry about the slow start.

-- Folwren

[Inziladun]

Things happen. Everyone just has a lot going on in RL, it seems.

[Mänwe]

It'll be worth the wait!!

[Thinlómien]

Just saying that unless we start soon, I have to drop out. As some of you might know, I'm currently abroad as an exchange student and my friends will be visiting me from April 8th to April 15th and my mum and sister will be visiting from the 19th to the 26th and I definitely don't want to play ww when any of them are visiting - so basically, I'm only available more or less now and then only in the very end of April.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Checking in, but it looks like this is never going to start...

[Thinlómien]

Nobody wants to play ww anymore? Weeeird. To be honest I'm quite itching to after such a while ;) but I can't really unless you promise to lynch me on one of the first Days, which is not very nice. :D So Folwren: you may take this as an official withdrawal (even though it's a pity!) I have only one week before my friends come. However, if this game only starts in late April (at the earliest around the 24th or something like that), feel free to recruit me again.

[Folwren]

Nobody wants to play ww anymore? Weeeird. To be honest I'm quite itching to after such a while ;) but I can't really unless you promise to lynch me on one of the first Days, which is not very nice. :D

Ha. My thoughts precisely. But, no, it'd be miserable to lynch you on one of the first days. What if you were the KD? :eek:

So Folwren: you may take this as an official withdrawal (even though it's a pity!) I have only one week before my friends come. However, if this game only starts in late April (at the earliest around the 24th or something like that), feel free to recruit me again.

Sorry to see you go. I'll let you know if it still hasn't started in late April. Have fun with your friends. Don't forget to at least check in on the Scarburg thread. Your two W's need to cause trouble there.

-- Foley

[Thinlómien]

Sorry to see you go. I'll let you know if it still hasn't started in late April. Have fun with your friends. Don't forget to at least check in on the Scarburg thread. Your two W's need to cause trouble there.Haha, alright, I'll keep an eye on Scarburg. ;)

[Inziladun]

Nobody wants to play ww anymore?

Really! This is without doubt the longest delay that I've seen between games. :eek:
Shame on all you lot for letting RL intrude upon WW! ;)

[Folwren]

Actually...I think for once, it's the RPGing that is interfereing with WW, instead of the other way around. Haha. RL is getting in the way, too, technically, but lots of people are role-playing. That's awesome.

-- Foley

[Pitchwife]

If I may suggest something, Foley, have you considered adapting your design somehow to make it work with fewer players (say, a village of twelve with three wolves)? I honestly don't think waiting much longer will do much good. WW is a time-extensive matter (if not more than RPGs then certainly in a different way), at least if you're one of the louder players, and people's schedules tend to change over an interval of more than two or three weeks. You won't want to risk more people having to drop out.

[Inziladun]

Any word on the status of this? Are we still just waiting for people to be available to play?

[Ozban]

Query: Are we gonna start anytime soon? By the half of May I will have my exams coming up and I will be unavailable for, say next two months.

If there's any possibility of beginning anytime soon, please, let's do so. This unexpected break seems too long already.

[satansaloser2005]

To counter Oz's rush, I now will be unable to play (or at least participate on a level that I feel comfortable with) for the next week and a half. If we start before the 28th I'll play, but I'd love to not get mod-killed (or lynched because I'm not around, for that matter).

Foley, who all have you asked about this? I may try to drum up some business. :)

[Folwren]

Some time ago, towards the beginning of the time I put up this thread, I asked...gosh, I asked all sorts of people. Let's see...
Rikae, Mac, Anguirel, Phantom, Lommy, Greenie, Nogrod, (some of whom are on the list, I think), um........Durelin, Shasta....

I went to the last several WW games to see who has been playing recently, and I'm pretty sure I sent all of them PMs. I think I wrote at least 15 or so, about. I can't remember all the names.

Some may be available again. A lot were busy because they'd joined an RPG and they didn't want to do both a WW game and an RPG at the same time. That game is still going.

If you could drum up some business, that'd be amazing.

And I am sorry for not responding earlier to Inzil and Pitchwife. Inzil, we are indeed waiting for people to become available to play.

And Pitchwife...I really don't see how I could change the rules more than I have to require fewer players. The nature of the game is such that fewer than 15 players would be...well...boring.

But it is true, I need to start this, because before too long, even I will not be available. :eek:

-- Folwren

[Loslote]

Alright, well, when this started up, I didn't sign up because I wanted a break from WW. I think I've had my break. ;) You can put me on the list, and I'll be good to play any time. :)

[Anguirel]

mm. Afraid I've found a new medium for baiting the phantom at pres! ever yours, Lord Sador of Burlach

I'm sure the end result will be traditional...

[Mithalwen]

Awww ..*pouts*

[Folwren]

I have something to say that some may think is good news and some may think bad, I dunno, but here it is:

Sally has PMed me, suggesting that she do her WW game now and I do mine either next or at a later date when more people are available. This suggestion was made because her game can be played with fewer players (she said a dozen or so) and mine would be much better with no fewer than fifteen, which we've all discussed before.

This arrangement will permit all you very faithful, paitent folks to actually PLAY a game NOW instead of waiting indefinitely for more people to become available.

My game will be put on hold until Sally's game is finished. Then, if more players are available, I will probably be available to Mod it. If we still have this problem of too few players and/or I am busy with summer affairs, it can be put on the back burner and it can be played later.

I would like to assure you that this game will eventually be played and I would love to have every one of you on board for it. I'm extremely sorry that it hasn't worked out yet.

What do you all think?

-- Foley

[Mithalwen]

I don't want to play werewolf per se but I was am interested in your game. I hope to be available for your game when it is available but I prefer to use my time to RPG otherwise - have waited years for that to revive....

[satansaloser2005]

Obviously I'm fine with it either way. If you magically get enough people in the next few days, I would of course want you to mod when it's more convenient for you, but it seems that people are busy with the RPG threads (and fair enough with that!) so I'm hoping a smaller game can run in the meantime, and then people can be free to play your game once the RPG section isn't quite as busy. :)

[satansaloser2005]

I don't want to play werewolf per se but I was am interested in your game. I hope to be available for your game when it is available but I prefer to use my time to RPG otherwise - have waited years for that to revive....

Well, I'd very much like for you to play in my game if you can find the time. I promise Shelob and good times*. If not, do enjoy the RPG section. It's good to see it so active after so long! :D



*Note: The two conditions are not mutually exclusive. All players sign up at their own risk, and I refuse to pay for tetanus shots should the need arise.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Awww. I was looking forward to this game in particular, but will certainly play in any available.

[Folwren]

Awww. I was looking forward to this game in particular, but will certainly play in any available.

Tombadillo, I will be sure to let you know when I start my game up again.

-- Foley

[Inziladun]

I'm still up for a game. I hate that you have to put yours off Foley, but maybe time will give you enough players for something epic. ;)

[Folwren]

I'm still up for a game. I hate that you have to put yours off Foley, but maybe time will give you enough players for something epic. ;)

I hope so. :)

[Nogrod]

I'm sorry to hear your game just kind of waned... but let's hope it gets a better start on a future date. It looked interesting and I so much hoped you'd get to mod a game as that is soo much fun. So hopefully in a near future then. You can count on me playing (unless it's the first two weeks of June as we're on a journey with Greenie then).

[Kuruharan]

So when I first saw this thread I thought it was going to be British werewolves infiltrating the Continental Army encampment in the winter of 1777-1778, which isn't of a great deal of interest to me.

But, being bored today, I decided to read it for the chuckle value of seeing how the above scenario fitted into Tolkien and lo and behold it is about dwarves...which makes it awesome! :D

It does look interesting and I hope it moves forward at some point...but counter-productively it would greatly depend on when it happened on if I could play or not.:(

[Folwren]

Hey, Kuruharan, what luck that it roused your curiosity and you looked! I will be certain to PM you when this game finally starts moving forward again. As a matter of fact, as it was not lifting off the ground at a very fast rate, Sally suggested that she go ahead and run her game, and that is what has happened. I have not checked up on her game, so I don't know how close it is to being finished yet, but I'll let you know. Maybe you will be able to play.

-- Foley

[Inziladun]

Sally's game is finished, with a wicked victory for the evil side.

[Folwren]

Sally's game is finished, with a wicked victory for the evil side.

Oh, indeed? Well tell everyone to flock on over here, then.

[Nerwen]

So when I first saw this thread I thought it was going to be British werewolves infiltrating the Continental Army encampment in the winter of 1777-1778, which isn't of a great deal of interest to me.

But, being bored today, I decided to read it for the chuckle value of seeing how the above scenario fitted into Tolkien and lo and behold it is about dwarves...which makes it awesome! :D
Actually, I think the first scenario would be awesome, too.:D

As a matter of fact, as it was not lifting off the ground at a very fast rate, Sally suggested that she go ahead and run her game, and that is what has happened. I have not checked up on her game, so I don't know how close it is to being finished yet, but I'll let you know. Maybe you will be able to play.
Sally's game is finished, Foley.

I must warn you, though, that there was a high drop-out rate– a lot of people still seem to be very busy right now.

EDIT:X'd with Zil and Folwren.

[Galadriel55]

I have not checked up on her game, so I don't know how close it is to being finished yet, but I'll let you know.

It's finished, as far as I know. Kuruharan chose a very good time to poke this thread. :D

[Kuruharan]

Not such a good time if I wanted to play as the next three weeks are pretty much no go for me. :( Maybe after that, I'm not sure.

Not that it is saying much, it is *extremely* difficult for me to commit to any sort of time intensive activity at all and I don't see that changing any time...ever. :eek:

[Lhunardawen]

Why Foley, you never told me you're planning on modding a game - and the skipped one at that! I would love to play in your game, but I think I've had my fix (with my brain intermittently creaking in protest). Besides, I might be a bit busy for the next few weeks until school starts again. :(

[Galadriel55]

I would love to play in your game, but I think I've had my fix (with my brain intermittently creaking in protest). Besides, I might be a bit busy for the next few weeks until school starts again. :(

Same, except for me it's the opposite -my school and exas end in a few weeks.

[Folwren]

Hm....well... I am thinking I'll scratch the current list of players and see who can sign up. The best thing for me would be if we could start this game next weekend (five days or so), but I am aware that that gives VERY little time of gathering people. If we don't start this weekend, I cannot begin until two weeks after this weekend, which would then be approximately 20 days from now.

What is the general thought on that?

-- Folwren

[Nogrod]

I'm sad to say I'm sharing the situation with Kuru, Lhuna and Galadriel... and being even worse as I can't play in about a month. Next two weeks will be just ridiculously busy and them I'm heading to Prague with Greenie to meet Lommy & Legate there (we'll have a road-trip through the Baltic states & Poland and will come back through Germany, Denmark & Sweden).

I would have loved to play in your game. :(


PS. Foley, I'm going to find time to write to SMH every now and then during the next weeks though (going to check your PM later today).

[Inziladun]

I know of no reason I couldn't play, either sooner or later.

[Bom Tombadillo]

I should have plenty of free time for the foreseeable future, so sign me up . . . again. :)

Edit: Ninja'd by a giant shield. Wha?

[Mithalwen]

I can still play with a quick start but I won't be around much actually on Saturday (of to a talk on gin in literature with accompanying cocktails!!! ) but I am planning on making in a day trip to Brighton rather than a weekend one

[Kuruharan]

I unfortunately won't be able to play if it starts this soon but I will definitely be lending my support to the game in spirit. :)

I do have the suggestion that you change the name of "The Night Watchman" to "The Night Watchdwarf" as the humanocentric designation is inappropriate for this setting. ;)

[Folwren]

Right. That's a good suggestion. Once I get about to editing that first post, I'll do that.

[Lhunardawen]

PS. Foley, I'm going to find time to write to SMH every now and then during the next weeks though (going to check your PM later today).
At the risk of earning the wrath of a chat skwerl, I have to say that I like this very much. ;) (And of course the road-tripping thing.)

[Loslote]

I'll have time...pretty much for the forseeable future, so sign me up. :)

[Rikae]

Rikae finished her thesis, and Rikae, M.A. is looking for a <strike>job</strike> werewolf game. Sign me up? I have excellent werewolfademic credentials (see the grimoire thread for my CV)...


(Note to BW: we need a strikethrough tag around here!)

[satansaloser2005]

Rikae finished her thesis, and Rikae, M.A. is looking for a <strike>job</strike> werewolf game. Sign me up? I have excellent werewolfademic credentials (see the grimoire thread for my CV)...


(Note to BW: we need a strikethrough tag around here!)

I second everything about this post, but especially the bit about the strike tag.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'll sign the strikethrough tag petition.

Oh, is this a WW sign up thread? Well, while I'm here... :rolleyes:

[Folwren]

Okay, so I have just now gone and updated the new member's list. So far, I have:

Inzil
Bom
Mith
Lottie
Rikae
Sally
Shasta

We're half way filled. I am not certain when we're going to be able to start. I may have time today to PM other possible players.

-- Foley

[Nerwen]

Hey, Foley, I never actually dropped out, you know. So you can add me to the list.

[Folwren]

Awesome, Nerwen. I'm glad you're still in. :) I went ahead and took everyone off before starting over, in case people had forgotten or something.

-- Folwren

[Thinlómien]

Please (re)count me in - it's been too long without werewolf. ;)

ps. a post on the T-i-G thread to wake people up might not be a bad idea... :)

[Bom Tombadillo]

*bumpsies*

Nobody else? I hope this doesn't stall again . . . :eek:

[Folwren]

I hope it doesn't, too. :(

[Thinlómien]

Folwren, I think it would be time for some pm (or even fb) spam. Also, if the game is still going on the 18th I might have to drop out...

[Inziladun]

There's what, 9 signups? How many do we need?

[Galadriel55]

I have my last exam on the 16th, so I would be able to start after that... Or maybe even a few days before, but with limited participation. So I guess you could sign me up under a question mark.

I think that the same thing is going on now as before - constantly someone has something in the way.

:(

There's what, 9 signups? How many do we need?

There is the Sweetheart, the Watchdwarf, the KD, and IIRC 3 Valley Forge members. That makes it 6 people with special roles, and there still have to be some ordos...

[Thinlómien]

There's what, 9 signups? How many do we need?13?

[satansaloser2005]

13?

Believe me when I say that you should have more. Just....believe me.

Obviously we could operate with more, but if anyone drops out....did anyone even read the last game? ;)

I'll try to drum up some interest.

*crawls back in her hole*

[Galadriel55]

13?

Interesting... We could have 13 Dwarves and one Bilbo. And possibly a wizard.

[Folwren]

I think we had talked about having a minimum of 15 players.

Lommy, I hope the game will be mostly done, if not completely, by the 18, but there definitely is no certainty of that.

-- Foley

[Nogrod]

I'm back from hospital and will not be making the road trip with Greenie as I'm not well enough for that... but I should be well enough for a round of WW! :cool:

So count me in Foley.

[Thinlómien]

I'm back from hospital and will not be making the road trip with Greenie as I'm not well enough for that... but I should be well enough for a round of WW! :cool:

So count me in Foley.Always look at the bright side of life, eh? :D Seriously though it's going to be awesome to play ww after such a long pause!

[Folwren]

I'm so glad to hear you're back, Nogrod!! Welcome back to the BD and to my game. :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm going to be out of the state for the next four days, starting tomorrow. I'll be back Sunday afternoon-ish.

[Thinlómien]

I'm still abroad and Greenie will be visiting me this month from the 18th to the 24th so if the game is going on at that time, I probably can't be in (unless possibly we both play but we'd be rather quiet for those few days)...

[Kitanna]

Is this still open to sign up?

[Inziladun]

Yes it is, Kitanna. Threats and arm-twisting to gain players are still ongoing. :D

[Folwren]

Okay, I have really, really bad news. The fact that this game never got off the ground is probably a good thing, because it is turning out that I couldn't keep up with it. I'm going to have to step back from modding for at least a month and a half. Camp and school is overwhelming at this point and internet is spotty where I am, at best. I will be available at the beginning of August. If people are not too mad at me, will I maybe be able to open this thread again for players towards the end of July?

I am really, really sorry. I could've pulled it off a while back when I first hoped to mod, but not now. :( Sadness.

-- Folwren

[Inziladun]

I'm sorry, Foley. A bad set of circumstances seems to have stalked this game from the first.

I plan to be here for its revival later. :)

[Galadriel55]

The Doom of the Noldor seems to have spread over this game...:(

What can we do? Unexpected things happen unexpectedly... Unlike what Eomer said, the unbidden does not always prove the best company...

But, looking on the bright side, I have nothing scheduled for August except for a music exam, so I should be in when this game happens.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm sorry to hear that, Foley. :(

In an effort to get the ball rolling again, then, who's next on the "list"? Was it you, Inzil?

I'm willing to host at any time as sort of a "filler" host, if there isn't anyone else, just for future reference. Anyone who signed up to host already should definitely go ahead and do it, though. :)

[Inziladun]

In an effort to get the ball rolling again, then, who's next on the "list"? Was it you, Inzil?

I'm willing to host at any time as sort of a "filler" host, if there isn't anyone else, just for future reference. Anyone who signed up to host already should definitely go ahead and do it, though. :)

I think I was indeed next on the modding list. However, if anyone else is ready right now, go ahead.

If not, I could possibly have something up soon, say within a week or so. I don't think I'd need more than 12 players.

[Thinlómien]

Not nice. Foley remember to poke me when you mean to start again and I'll be in unless I have some horriblew time constraint issue. And don't feel bad for this - I'm blaming our inactive werewolf players, not you. ;)

[Kitanna]

Provided I'm still a workless bum (and even if I'm not) I'd like to play. Hopefully when it gets back on track I'll have the time to dedicate to it.

[Bom Tombadillo]

:smokin: <-- Will play in Werewolf game for Werewolf game to play in.

(Translation: I'm ready whenever).

[Folwren]

Thanks, folks, for taking it so calmly (apparently, anyway). I'll be sure to try to let everyone on the list know when I am back to mod it again.

-- Foley

[Mithalwen]

Well whenever you are able to mod I'll try to play..

[Lhunardawen]

I think I was indeed next on the modding list. However, if anyone else is ready right now, go ahead.

If not, I could possibly have something up soon, say within a week or so. I don't think I'd need more than 12 players.

Oooooh, teeeeeempting...

[Inziladun]

Oooooh, teeeeeempting...

"Yeesss, you should plaayy,' says the voice in your ear. :D

I'll try to have an Admin thread up before the weekend's out. Question is, can I get 12 people?

[Nogrod]

Sad to hear that Foley. This has really born under some bad sign in the very beginning. :(

But yay Inzil! Werewolfing to be done! :cool:

[McCaber]

The beginning of August, you say? I might have to put myself on the list for this. It sounds like a fun game.

[Folwren]

:) Okay, McCaber. I'll let you know when I start this up again.

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Third time pays for all, right? I'm willing to give this a go IF we can get it started by EARLY next week. School starts in something like two and a half weeks, I think. There is no possible way that I will be able to mod the beginning of a game after school starts. If this game is still in the works by that time, I think it'll be okay, as it will be tapering off towards its ending.

I will send PMs now to the people on the list.

-- Folwren

[satansaloser2005]

I'm in (again). :)

[Inziladun]

Me too.

[Nerwen]

In again!

[Galadriel55]

Me three! Or four. Whatever. AKA I'm in.

[Bom Tombadillo]

I'm in, naturally.

C'mon, let's slaughter some wolves!

[Eruhen]

I'm up for another go.

[Galadriel55]

I'm in, naturally.

C'mon, let's slaughter some wolves!

Or Dwarves! :smokin::p

[Boromir88]

Why not, let's do this. :)

[Kitanna]

Third time pays for all, right? I'm willing to give this a go IF we can get it started by EARLY next week. \

I don't know if I can play yet. Put me down as a maybe if you can wait until Sunday for my answer

[Folwren]

I don't know if I can play yet. Put me down as a maybe if you can wait until Sunday for my answer

We can wait until Sunday at least Kitanna. Looks like the earliest I can start this game will be Tuesday. Then I'll have internet at my own house. :D

Here's the players list so far:

Sally
Inzil
Nerwen
Boro
Galadriel
Eruhen
Bom

Maybe:
Kitanna

[Glirdan]

Seeing as my last game didn't go so well (>_<), I'm in for giving this a go

[Bom Tombadillo]

*walks in wearing fake mustache* I and my three twin brothers would like to sign up for this. Kindly refrain from putting any of us in a position to be seen with the other, as we all have a fatal condition known as cannot-be-seen-with-each-other-itis, which is fatal.

[Folwren]

*takes fake mustache off of Bom* Oh, it's only you, Bom, and you're already signed on. Besides, you're going to be a dwarf, so if you're doing make-up you'd better do better than just a mustache. ;)

Welcome to the game, Glirdan.

In the first post is a new list of players, up to date.

[Galadriel55]

*walks in wearing fake mustache* I and my three twin brothers would like to sign up for this. Kindly refrain from putting any of us in a position to be seen with the other, as we all have a fatal condition known as cannot-be-seen-with-each-other-itis, which is fatal.

Lynch him! He's Nilp in disguise! :D

Foley, are the rules&roles in the first post the "final draft" of all the debates that have been going earlier in this thread? Like the issue with the Sweetheart/Seer?

[Folwren]

Galadriel, as I re-read the first post again, I was asking myself the same question. I haven't had time to peruse the questions and things yet, but I will in the next day or two and have the final draft up before we're ready to start. I'll let you all know.

-- Foley

[Loslote]

I can play only if there's no chance it'd go past August 22nd. :)

[Bom Tombadillo]

. .. My god. Since I don't recall seeing this is the rules (and if anybody's asked about it, I've forgotten), are reveals allowed in this game (they're probably not, because the odds that nobody else has caught this are ridiculous, but you never know)? Because if they are . . .

*prescience*

I am the King's Dwarf! Kill X and Y! Watchman, protect!

*ends abruptly*

[Galadriel55]

. .. My god. Since I don't recall seeing this is the rules (and if anybody's asked about it, I've forgotten), are reveals allowed in this game (they're probably not, because the odds that nobody else has caught this are ridiculous, but you never know)? Because if they are . . .

I'm quite sure that you aren't allowed to state outright that you're the KD. Even though fake reveals make things interesting, it's just too easy a path to take to just say "I'm the KD and these are the Forgers so lynch them".

I remember this because a few months ago I asked if saying "my name is Katey Dawson" (or something of that sort) will be considered "outright"... :D

[Folwren]

Hm. You know, I considered putting that as a rule, but then thought not, but now...yeah...you're right. That would completely ruin the point of the game, wouldn't it?

Note to all - it is being added to the rules that reveals are NOT allowed in this game.

-- Folwren

[Lhunardawen]

I'm sorry, Foley, but I won't be able to commit to this game. You can blame that thing they call school. Thanks for your invitation, anyway. Happy modding (and happy trying to kill each other, players)! :D

[Nerwen]

Hm. You know, I considered putting that as a rule, but then thought not, but now...yeah...you're right. That would completely ruin the point of the game, wouldn't it?

Note to all - it is being added to the rules that reveals are NOT allowed in this game.
*cough* There is a certain player on the list who has proven herself very good at revealing in a not-really-doing-it kind of way. May I suggest you add an extra clause along the lines of "'Reveal' includes obvious hinting; exact definition of 'obvious' to be determined by me as I see fit"?

And may I also suggest this be known in future as the "Sally Rule"?

–What? Oh, no reason...:smokin:

[satansaloser2005]

*cough* There is a certain player on the list who has proven herself very good at revealing in a not-really-doing-it kind of way. May I suggest you add an extra clause along the lines of "'Reveal' includes obvious hinting; exact definition of 'obvious' to be determined by me as I see fit"?

And may I also suggest this be known in future as the "Sally Rule"?

–What? Oh, no reason...:smokin:

You're just jealous that I'm a close friend of the royal family. :Merisu:


And I'll point out that my last game had plenty of people doing that who weren't me, thanks. Perhaps we should just make it "the sweet princes and sweeter desserts" rule? ;)

[Folwren]

Quite honestly, I thought that was obvious.

It will just ruin the game if there are reveals like that. Won't it be sufficient if the players realize that and play accordingly?

-- Foley

[Finduilas]

Still in need of players? I'll join in.

[Folwren]

Yes, we still need players. Welcome.

[Kitanna]

I won't be joining this game.

[Folwren]

I'm sorry to hear it, Kitanna. Maybe we'll be in some RPG together again someday. :)

[Kitanna]

I'm sorry to hear it, Kitanna. Maybe we'll be in some RPG together again someday. :)
I can only hope! I would have joined, but I only have four waking hours where I'm not working and I can play. That's hardly fair to other players.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Well that's just terrible. Some higher power seems to have taken an interest in ruining this particular game . . .

Or maybe all the players with compatible schedules are put off by the unconventional roles. Eh, either way.

[Inziladun]

Well that's just terrible. Some higher power seems to have taken an interest in ruining this particular game . . .

Or maybe all the players with compatible schedules are put off by the unconventional roles. Eh, either way.

Many who would probably otherwise be interested are presently involved with Finlandmoot, apparently.

Anyone know of some arms to twist? ;)

[Glirdan]

Anyone know of some arms to twist?

I say try my lovely little butterfly, Vanilwamuffin She may be able to join. :)

And on a slightly upsetting note, I may have to withdraw for the time being. Unless you are planning on starting after this weekend as I will have absolutely no internet access from Friday till Monday night as I am going out of town for my cousins wedding. If you start next week, I'm in, but as of right now, I don't think it's fair to everyone if I'm gone for four days (and besides, that usually ends in a modfiring anyways :rolleyes:). It your call miss Moddess :)

[Folwren]

Well, it doesn't look like I can start tomorrow, anyway, so don't draw out just yet, Mr. Glirdan.

I'll try Wilwarin. I've already attempted writing some others.

How long is the Finlandmoot lasting?

-- Foley

Edit...Wilwarin is who you were refering to, right?

[Glirdan]

Hahaha, yes it was :)

[Rikae]

Foley - people will be returning from Finlandmoot over the next few days (though the last are staying until the 14th), I think. I just got back and would love to play in your game!

[Galadriel55]

Foley - people will be returning from Finlandmoot over the next few days (though the last are staying until the 14th), I think. I just got back and would love to play in your game!

Yay! :D

By the way, what happened to your siggy? I'm asking because whenever I saw it I thought of WW... I liked it. :)

[Folwren]

Welcome, Rikae, glad to have you back.

I hope others return shortly feeling like playing, because otherwise, we won't have a game again. :(

[McCaber]

I said I was on board just like a week ago. Do I need to reconfirm?

[Folwren]

Didn't I get you on the list? Let me check. Sorry if I didn't...

[Inziladun]

So we now have 11 signed up. Was 12 the target?

[Galadriel55]

So we now have 11 signed up. Was 12 the target?

15, I think. So we're just passed the 2/3 mark...

[Folwren]

Aye, 15. *sigh*

The Phantom told me he could play if we REALLY needed him.

And Mithalwen kind of said the same thing.

[satansaloser2005]

So....erm....about that....

:(

[wilwarin538]

Yeah, everything has slowed down for me for the next few weeks, and I haven't played in forever, so I am in!

[Galadriel55]

Yeah, everything has slowed down for me for the next few weeks, and I haven't played in forever, so I am in!

Yay! :D

[Folwren]

Excellent, Wilwa! I'm glad you're in!

-- Foley

[Folwren]

We just need two more players, provided the Phantom and Mithalwen are still willing to play.

-- Foley

[Galadriel55]

We just need two more players, provided the Phantom and Mithalwen are still willing to play.

I think its only one... isn't it? We have 12 right now, and if Mith and TP play (please? :Merisu:) it will make it 14...

[Folwren]

Oh, yeah. Just one. Haha.

[Inziladun]

If it helps, I'm willing to be cut in half (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZHoHaAYHq8) to increase the numbers. :eek:

Come on folks. Do we have to threaten you? :rolleyes: ;)

[Folwren]

Yes, let's start threatening them, with a death worse than fate!

In the mean time, I'll start getting things ready and we'll sart tomorrow, fifteenth player or not. Hopefully it'll work okay.

And I'll write the Phantom and Mithalwen to ensure they're still willing to give it a shot.

-- Folwren

[the phantom]

Thumbs up. Let's do this.

[Glirdan]

Nooooooo!!!! Don't start tomorrow!!! :( Or, start tomorrow and just know that I will have no access from Friday to Monday night :)

[Folwren]

You'll be gone Friday to Monday, huh? If others are willing to wait, I can put it off another day or so and start Night 1 Either Saturday or Sunday. Chances are, Glirdan, you'll miss Day 1. Possibly, I can see to it you aren't killed in your absence.

[Glirdan]

That would be wonderful seeing as I'd probably end up that way here or not lol :rolleyes:

[Folwren]

That would be wonderful seeing as I'd probably end up that way here or not lol :rolleyes:

Probably.

[Pitchwife]

Many who would probably otherwise be interested are presently involved with Finlandmoot, apparently.

Anyone know of some arms to twist? ;)
All right, officer, I'll come quietly... after a night of sleep and getting over emotional jetlag.

[Inziladun]

All right, officer, I'll come quietly... after a night of sleep and getting over emotional jetlag.

There's a good fellow. All it takes is a bit of "persuasion". :cool:

[Galadriel55]

Yay Pitch!!! :D

That means we have all 15 if Mith plays.

Fifteen dwarves on a dead man's chest... erm, whoops, wrong one. Fifteen birds on five fir trees...

:)

[Folwren]

Ha. I have FINALLY gotten around to reading the thread and figuring out how exactly I want this game to go. A lot of people raised some really good questions and pointed out some good stuff in the first days of this thread.

So...here's what I'm thinking.

The Sweetheart will be a player who is appointed the role at the beginning of the game, along with everybody else. However, she shall not take her place as the sweetheart until she has identified the King's Dwarf. She does this by sending in two names each night to me. I will only reply, "This person is not the KD" or "This person is the KD". As soon as she has identified him, he is aware of who she is. Then, if the Forge members decide to kill the sweetheart during the night, the KD will die in her place.

In addition, I have decided to CHANGE THE RULE CONCERNING THE KD'S DEATH being the end of the game if killed at night.

If the KD is killed at night purposefully by the Forges, the Sweetheart will also be killed, but the game will not end.

There is another part I'm thinking about with the Sweetheart, but I almost want it to be a secret for only the KD and the Sweetheart to know about. How do you all feel concerning that? I will tell you that it involves communication between the KD and the Sweetheart during the night phase, and it involves the Watchdwarf and saving people. I just don't want to put out the where and how information.

At no point in time can the King's Dwarf reveal his identity.

Did I cover everything? Any holes that anybody can see? I will now go back and edit the first post so all this is in a more concise form.

And Thank you, Pitchwife, for joining us!

Sign up is still open for anybody who wishes to join. We will probably start Saturday or Sunday. I'm leaning towards Saturday.

-- Foley

[Galadriel55]

Thank you Foley! I just want to clarify this: if the KD is killed/lynched, does the game continue regardless of the circumstances? Unless wolves=innocents in number...

[Folwren]

Yes, Galadriel - the game continues as normal if the villagers kill the KD.

I want to point out that I also added this to the first post:

The members of the Forge can only kill the King’s Dwarf at night if there are two or more of them left to do so. Once the game comes down to one Forge member left and the King’s Dwarf is still alive, that final Forge member cannot kill him.

Pitchwife, I think, pointed out that when all but one member had been killed, that member would know who the KD was and he'd kill him. Well, I didn't much like that. So if it comes down to the point where there is one member left and the KD, then that member's only hope, I guess, would be to get the KD lynched.

Is that fair, do you suppose?

I know this question is going to come up - will the Forge still get a kill that night? Yes, it will.

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Deadline is 4 EST, btw.

Also, I have edited the first post. Go read it if you have questions on the rules, and then if your question still isn't answered, ask me.

-- Foley

[the phantom]

This may have already been asked, but I only had time to read the rules post, so....

How exactly does the Forge go about killing the KD during the night? As a Forge member, couldn't the KD send in a different kill to the moderator first? Or is one member of the Forge the official kill selector each night? Or do all members send kill votes separately and the Moderator tallies them to determine the winner?

[Galadriel55]

This may have already been asked, but I only had time to read the rules post, so....

How exactly does the Forge go about killing the KD during the night? As a Forge member, couldn't the KD send in a different kill to the moderator first? Or is one member of the Forge the official kill selector each night? Or do all members send kill votes separately and the Moderator tallies them to determine the winner?

I think this could be solved by making the person sending the kill forward it to the other Forgers, or send them a copy - otherwise the kill won't be made.

[Inziladun]

I think this could be solved by making the person sending the kill forward it to the other Forgers, or send them a copy - otherwise the kill won't be made.

Sending in the wrong kill would be an obvious tipoff to the Forge members of who the KD was, though.

[the phantom]

I think this could be solved by making the person sending the kill forward it to the other Forgers, or send them a copy - otherwise the kill won't be made.
Well, that would certainly be another way to get rid of the loophole.

If Foley wants to be rid of it, that is. Leaving things as they are might lead to some interesting chaos.

[Galadriel55]

Sending in the wrong kill would be an obvious tipoff to the Forge members of who the KD was, though.

If there are 2 members and the KD left, though, the KD can accidentally kill one of the members. He would be known to the other member anyways, as he's the only one left. This is certainly a good situation for the KD.

[Folwren]

It's funny, this has been brought up before, but I didn't really give it much thought, because I thought it'd be cheating for the KD to send in a name that the others didn't agree upon.

Whoever sends the Mod a name can send the same message to all the other Forges. Does that take care of it?

-- Foley

[satansaloser2005]

It's funny, this has been brought up before, but I didn't really give it much thought, because I thought it'd be cheating for the KD to send in a name that the others didn't agree upon.

Whoever sends the Mod a name can send the same message to all the other Forges. Does that take care of it?

-- Foley

I'd require it. The name has to be copied to all Forges. That way a player can't send in another name and "forget" to tell the others.

[the phantom]

because I thought it'd be cheating for the KD to send in a name that the others didn't agree upon.
Ha ha! What some people call "cheating" others call "clever underhanded play". :D

But yes, if you don't wish for that sort of thing, demanding the message be sent to all parties ought to solve things, though as I saw someone point out, if it was down to 2 Forge members and the KD the KD would be more than willing to PM a kill of one of the Forge members to all parties, as once he did so that person would be dead and the Forge would be powerless to stop him.

Unless you have a rule that a kill PM can be nullified if it is overruled by at least 2 Forge members.

[Glirdan]

Okay, so this is me saying good luck to everyone in the first couple of days. Don't create to much chaos *coughphantomcough* while I'm away! I'd say try not to post too much either, but then I'd be bored when I come back :P So, this adieu for a few days and I will see you all on Monday.

PS: I may get to meet another Canadian Downer, miss Bethberry!! :D Sorry that I can't get your info Galadriel, but we're on a tight schedule because of the wedding :( Hopefully next time I make a trip your way we can meet up!!

[Folwren]

Having heard no protests thus far, I take it either no one minds that I'm going to give additional directions and priviledges to the sweetheart, the KD, and the watchdwarf, or no one has seen that I wrote that I wanted to. These special instructions will only be given to those three characters.

If you're wondering what I'm talking about, see my previous post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=660258&postcount=233).

-- Folwren

[satansaloser2005]

This DL is going to kill me. Expect very little from me around DL on weekdays. :(

[Mithalwen]

Having heard no protests thus far, I take it either no one minds that I'm going to give additional directions and priviledges to the sweetheart, the KD, and the watchdwarf, or no one has seen that I wrote that I wanted to. These special instructions will only be given to those three characters.

If you're wondering what I'm talking about, see my previous post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=660258&postcount=233).

-- Folwren

It is your game. We are your labrats...

Does the Forge have 4 members including or excluding the King's Dwarf?

And is the deadline AM or PM ?

[Galadriel55]

Okay, so this is me saying good luck to everyone in the first couple of days. Don't create to much chaos *coughphantomcough* while I'm away! I'd say try not to post too much either, but then I'd be bored when I come back :P So, this adieu for a few days and I will see you all on Monday.

We'll be good! :Merisu:

PS: I may get to meet another Canadian Downer, miss Bethberry!! :D Sorry that I can't get your info Galadriel, but we're on a tight schedule because of the wedding. Hopefully next time I make a trip your way we can meet up!!

Darn! Another Downer passing right by me... :(

Having heard no protests thus far, I take it either no one minds that I'm going to give additional directions and priviledges to the sweetheart, the KD, and the watchdwarf, or no one has seen that I wrote that I wanted to. These special instructions will only be given to those three characters.

I don't mind at all. It will be interesting to find out what these were when they take place.

[Glirdan]

So slightly good news! I have wi-fi acess in my hotel room! Downside, I will still not be able to post as much if at all as we will be in a vehicle all day. I'll try and post if possible but I am not making any promises.